[Mailman-Developers] The Philosophy of Web Use.

David Andrews dandrews at visi.com
Tue Aug 1 21:01:21 CEST 2006

>On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:08 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>OTOH, I've used Linux and OSX, and before that NeXT, Solaris and
>various Unixes for (unfortunately, way :) longer than there's been a
>web, and except for the Windows programming I do at work, haven't
>ever used IE for any substantial amount of time.  I'm not excusing
>poor sites or Windows-specific sites, but for the most part, these
>days most sites are at least usable with Firefox on various
>platforms.  (The one sole recent exception was the SQLAlchemy doc
>pages which gave Firefox fits but rendered just fine in Safari -- and
>I'm sure those guys didn't tailor their pages for IE.).  Yeah, you
>hit the occasional WMV or ActiveX laden site, but I'm much more
>bugged by the Flash-only sites that are an avoidable annoyance for
>me, but I can imagine are a scream-out-loud frustration for screen
>reader based users.

As a screen reader person I will say that Flash-only can be made to 
work, there is accessible flash, but it is rarely done.  If it isn't 
implemented, a site can be useless, however you can do a good job, my 
department did a whole web training thing in accessible flash, and it 
works fine for blind users -- which is good since

> > Now, I know that you're not that kind of person, and you will actively
> > test your work with MacOS X/Safari, and as many other browser/OS
> > platforms
> > you can.  But the more complexity that is built into the user
> > interface,
> > the higher the likelihood is that something will accidentally happen
> > somewhere to seriously break something for someone else.
>Actually, I think skilled and judicious use of modern web technology
>can help to /reduce/ the complexity of Mailman's interface.
>Something I constantly struggle with is the plethora of configuration
>variables (both via the web u/i and in mm_cfg.py) that makes the
>system highly complicated.  I would love to have a self-discoverable
>interface, or an interface that can be used to selectively reveal
>just the parts you're interested.
>- -Barry
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