[Mailman-Developers] Advice wanted on option to not include original post in notices

Mark Sapiro msapiro at value.net
Tue Mar 28 01:48:41 CEST 2006

Last week, I posted the following to the mailman-users list. The silence 
was deafening as they say (I actually got one good response, but only 
one). So, does anyone here want to offer an opinion?

There have been a couple of threads on the (mailman-users) list in the 
last week or two regarding not sending the content of the original post 
in reject notices to the (alleged) poster and in owner notifications.

I'm considering implementing these options for Mailman 2.2, but I want
some feed back to be sure I'm doing what people want and to be sure
I'm not overlooking things.

Here are my areas of concern.

First, should these be site wide mm_cfg.py options or should they be
per-list options with a default from mm_cfg.py? In either case, the
Defaults.py setting would match current behavior.

I see a few different cases of notices which include the original message.

Bounce processing sends unrecognized bounces to the owner if
bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner is on. Since these notices are
meaningless without the actual message, I think there is no need for
an additional setting here. Also, if bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is
on, the owner gets a copy of the triggering bounce, but this should
always be a legitimate DSN in response to a message from the list, so
I don't see a need to provide an option to exclude the DSN from the

The privacy options reject_these_nonmembers, generic_nonmember_action
and header_filter_rules can automatically reject a post. Currently,
the original post is included. I foresee a single option (should it be
site wide or per list) to control putting the original in the reject

The moderator can reject a held post. Currently the original post is
not included. I don't see a need to change this.
If admin_immed_notify is on, notices of individual held posts are sent
to the owners/moderators and these include the original post. I foresee 
an option separate from the reject option (and should this be site wide
or per list) to put only summary information (From:, Subject: hold
reason) in this notice.

Note that this last can be 'almost' accomplished currently by turning
admin_immed_notify off and increasing the frequency of the
cron/checkdbs job from daily to maybe hourly, although this would
affect all lists.

Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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