[Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

[Satoshi Tanabe]

Thanks Barry for your comments and thoughts. I waited for your reply :-)

Several comments on what you said:

* I used gedit to create all the html files, so "pages being build
using non-free software" is not an issue at least with my part.

* As you pointed out, which Wiki to use, whether to use a non-free
wiki service, and which content should be placed in the wiki site all
remain an issue.

* All color scheme is defined in the CSS file, so changing the color
scheme should be trivial. (And no, I'm not insisting using green
instead of the current color scheme :-) It just happened to be.)

* Thanks for the comment on the Jira no longer being an option. I'll
update that part.

- Satoshi


2008/4/9, Barry Warsaw <barry at list.org>:
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>  On Mar 10, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Satoshi Tanabe wrote:
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> >
> > Currently I'm creating an unofficial site of GNU Mailman. It's not
> > done yet, but the goal is to make the current official site more
> > accessible and usable. The content is almost the same.
> >
>
>  Satoshi, this is very cool.  I'm sorry for not responding sooner, but I
> think it would be great to flesh these ideas out more, probably with Terri's
> help.
>
>  I think you've accurately identified some of the problems with the current
> web site. It's also true that we're building it with 1996 technology and web
> design sensibility (not unlike Mailman's web u/i ;).
>
>  I do think it's important to consider that the tools used to build the site
> be free software.  I'd like people to be able to hack the web building tools
> just like they can hack the software.
>
>  It's also important to consider what information is better suited for the
> wiki and what is better suited for the static main site.  I agree that
> there's a lot of duplication of information, and I tend to think that a
> large amount of that belongs on the wiki instead.  Relying heavily on the
> wiki[1] allows the entire community to participate, and as Terri has shown,
> even the documentation written on the wiki can be exported to other formats
> that are more easily printed.
>
>  I would like to keep some of the same color schemes and logos we currently
> use, unless there is a strong desire to update them.  I still like the logo
> though. :)
>
>  One other question you raise: I would like to move the bug trackers off of
> SourceForge at some point.  I think Jira is no longer a viable option, so we
> should consider alternatives.  Once again, Launchpad seems a natural, but
> I'm open to suggestions, given our constraints (we don't currently have the
> resources to maintain our own tracker instances).
>
>  - -Barry
>
>  [1] Admittedly the wiki is not running on free software.  As much as I like
> Confluence, this is an issue for a GNU project like Mailman.  However, again
> I don't think we yet have the resources to maintain our own wiki, let alone
> import the existing content into a free wiki.  IMO, having a non-free wiki
> is more useful to the community than not having a wiki at all, but I'm open
> to volunteers coming forward to help rectify the situation.
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