[Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update

Patrick Ben Koetter p at state-of-mind.de
Sun Jun 6 23:44:07 CEST 2010

* Geoff Shang <geoff at QuiteLikely.com>:
> Note that people who use magnification (i.e. who have low vision)
> are going to have differing requirements from those who use speech
> or Braille output via screen readers.  Ideally the UI would work
> well for both groups but I'm not qualified to talk about the former,
> only the latter.

Yes, thank you. I was aware of that and I have to admit I don't know yet what
qualities exactly will be required to create an interface that works equally
well for both groups. Unless someone has a better idea I guess we will just
have to do 'a best guess', then measure and improve in an iterative manner.

> >This said I think the interface should also be better accessible for deaf
> >people. I've learned deaf people experience problems with complex
> >sentences.  We should consider that too and other aspects.
> Huh?  This makes no sense to me.  People who only have hearing
> impairments shouldn't have any more problems with comprehention or

It didn't make sense to me either until I listened to a Chaos Computer Club
(CCC) Podcast about accessibility with the two guys who started/participated
in the Web Standards Project <http://www.webstandards.org/>. Too bad the
Podcasts are German only. I recommend them to anybody interested in technics,
society and culture.

Anyway, their story went like this: If you are deaf you learn sign language to
communicate with others. Sign language is the first (mother) language for deaf
people. Any other (written) language is foreign and that introduces all the
problems people usually have with foreign languages.

> reading than people with only vision impairments.  By all means make
> allowances for people with reading/learning/cognitive disabilities,
> but please don't atribute the need for this to something unrelated.

Do I seem overeager? Don't worry I am not a do-gooder trying to create an
interface that attempts to work for _everybody_ on this planet. I simply want
to create an interface that accounts for accessibility and that includes deaf
people too. If the relation "deaf - reading problems" stands then I'd like to
find a way that works for deaf people too.

Maybe (!) that's not a problem at all with an application interface as we are
going to create, but only with websites that contain lots of text.

> Disclaimer: I am not deaf.  A deaf person should be consulted about
> the requirements that deaf people may have.

Yes, good idea. Are there any deaf people on this list who might be able to
shed some light on this?

p at rick

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