[Mailman-Developers] [Bug 985149] Add List-Post value to permalink hash input

Barry Warsaw barry at list.org
Tue Apr 24 02:08:57 CEST 2012

On Apr 23, 2012, at 02:33 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>What are you doing hanging out in e-mail circles, then? ;-)  It has to
>be the most prominent example of a computing field where smtplicity
>has led to a disaster, and it has never been easy to understand!

For some reason, I have Ren and Smtpy on the brain today. :)

>I dunno.  It seems to me that a lot of the lists where the users and
>admins would not care about flexibility, machine-friendliness, and
>continuity are also good candidates for moving to web forums in any
>case.  (Yeah, I know that Barry wants to kill web forums; but if so,
>those users are going to have to coexist with mine!)

Well, Paul Graham made me want to kill email, forums, archives, newsgroups,
and IMAP.  I don't know how to do it, but be on notice you old <wink> media,
we're gunnin' for ya.

>I don't find hashes (or most message IDs) to be human-friendly[1] at
>all, and (if it's not going to be a tinyurl) I really only want the
>line containing the URL to be less than 78 characters so I can be
>pretty sure nothing is going to try to insert a linebreak.  I guess
>we're just going to have to agree to disagree on a lot of things. ;-)

FWIW, a tinyurl would be very cool, but I don't know how to calculate those
without state, and state probably requires communication between the archiver
and Mailman.

>Bottom line: I don't have a problem with you having your preferences,
>and if you "win" I can work around it, but I do have multiple use
>cases for List-Id != List-Post that I raise for consideration by the
>[1] FVO "human" that includes a larger population than "geeks like
>me"!  My MUA is set to display Message-Id and References by default!

Mine too. :)


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