[Mailman-Developers] Fixing DMARC problems with .invalid munge

Stephen J. Turnbull stephen at xemacs.org
Tue May 6 08:39:36 CEST 2014


John Levine writes:

 > I wouldn't waste time worrying about whether various hacks might make
 > it 0.0001% easier to phish people.

Will you please stop focusing on *your* logic, and start thinking
about what happens if people with different interpretations of the
facts take action on those interpretations?

*I* am not really worried about 0.0001% easier to phish (although I
think my "2%" is a more accurate estimate).  What I worry about is
"what if Yahoo! and AOL think ...".  We already know that they think
differently from us.  They are desperate and grasping at straws, as
far as I can see.  The whole SPF-ADDoS-DKIM-DMARC path shows that they
are unwilling to bite the bullet of the obvious (and obviously
correct) solution: proper per-author digital signatures by default.

DMARC, as far as I can see (and have previously argued), is a good
optimization for corporate authors, where users of a mailbox in a
domain are delegates of the corporate owner of the domain.  Where that
is not true, it sucks for a whole slew of reasons, yet AOL and Yahoo!
are trying to apply it.


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