From michael at spconnect.com  Mon Nov  2 18:48:29 1998
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:48:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beta 6
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811020947200.1789-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

I noticed that the Mailman list is now on beta6. Just curious when it will
be released.

Thanks
Michael




From John at list.org  Sat Nov  7 23:24:20 1998
From: John at list.org (John Viega)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 14:24:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.0b6
Message-ID: <19981107142420.C25554@viega.org>

Ok, 1.0b6 is finally done.  I needed some info from Barry, and he sent
it this morning, then I wasn't around until a little while ago.  I'm
going to hold off about a day on a more widespread announcement, just
to make sure you guys don't find any big show-stoppers that we missed.

You can get it off the home page (http://www.list.org), or at:
ftp://list.org/pub/mailman/mailman-1.0b6.tar.gz

New in b6:

  - Archiving is (finally) back in.

  - Administrivia filter added.

  - Mail queue mechanism revamped with better concurrency control.

  - For recipients that have estmp MTAs, set delivery notification
    status so that only delivery failure notices are sent out,
    inhibiting 4 hour and N day warning notices.

  - Now expire old unconfirmed subscription requests, rather than keeping
    them forever.

  - Added proposed standard List-Id: header, and our own X-MailmanVersion
    header.                                 

  - Prevent havoc from attempts to subscribe a list to itself.  (!)

  - Refine mail command processing to prevent loops.

  - Pending subscription DB redone with better locking and cleaner
    interface.

  - posters functionality expanded.

  - Subcsription policy more flexible, sensible, and site-configurable.

  - Various and sundry bug fixes.


John



From michael at spconnect.com  Sun Nov  8 02:15:09 1998
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:15:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives
In-Reply-To: <13891.32468.953212.470376@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811071714150.11969-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

I was looking through the achives. This may be a bug. <!--#var archivedate
--></i>

Apache does not recoginize this.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Michael Ghens                       Small Planet Connections
Internet: michael at spconnect.com     Santa Barbara, CA 
			            http://www.spconnect.com/~michael    
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Unix is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are.

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:57:24 -0500 (EST)
> From: Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us>
> To: Darren Henderson <darren at jasper.somtel.com>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 1.0b6 private archives, a typo, etc
> 
> 
> >>>>> "DH" == Darren Henderson <darren at jasper.somtel.com> writes:
> 
>     DH> The package still fails to compile under freebsd unless gmake
>     DH> is used.
> 
> Unfortunately, we only have Solaris and Linux here to test on, so if
> you could give more details (and patches? :-) I'd really appreciate
> it.  I just fixed a problem with the top level Makefile, so you should 
> try to do a CVS update and ./config.status to regenerate the Makefile.
> 
> AFAICT, our Makefiles should be compatible with both stock Solaris 2.6
> make (/usr/ccs/bin/make) and GNU make 3.76.1.
> 
>     DH> There is a typo on the general list page, under Using
>     DH> MAILLIST... "You can post a message to the all the list
>     DH> members..."
> 
>     DH> I'm relatively new to mailman (and python) but out of
>     DH> curiosity... is there a reason to have _all_ the
>     DH> subdirectories under mailman sgid? Its probably valid just at
>     DH> first glance it seems a bit excesive.
> 
> Setgid on the directories means that any files created in those
> directories will inherit the group ownership, presumably `mailman'.
> This is critical for the directories that Mailman writes files into,
> but it's very convenient for the other directories as well (since
> we're creating new files in there occasionally).
> 
> -Barry
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Sun Nov  8 02:56:56 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 20:56:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811071714150.11969-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>; from Michael Ghens on Sat, Nov 07, 1998 at 05:15:09PM -0800
References: <13891.32468.953212.470376@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811071714150.11969-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <19981107205656.29607@chronis.icgroup.com>

Which archives? 

This looks like a DocumentTemplate thing that shoulnd't be in there,
but it's inside an html comment, so it shouldn't really matter.

scott

On Sat, Nov 07, 1998 at 05:15:09PM -0800, Michael Ghens wrote:
| I was looking through the achives. This may be a bug. <!--#var archivedate
| --></i>
| 
| Apache does not recoginize this.
| 
| -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
| Michael Ghens                       Small Planet Connections
| Internet: michael at spconnect.com     Santa Barbara, CA 
| 			            http://www.spconnect.com/~michael    
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  Unix is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are.
| 
| On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
| 
| > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:57:24 -0500 (EST)
| > From: Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us>
| > To: Darren Henderson <darren at jasper.somtel.com>
| > Cc: mailman-users at python.org
| > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 1.0b6 private archives, a typo, etc
| > 
| > 
| > >>>>> "DH" == Darren Henderson <darren at jasper.somtel.com> writes:
| > 
| >     DH> The package still fails to compile under freebsd unless gmake
| >     DH> is used.
| > 
| > Unfortunately, we only have Solaris and Linux here to test on, so if
| > you could give more details (and patches? :-) I'd really appreciate
| > it.  I just fixed a problem with the top level Makefile, so you should 
| > try to do a CVS update and ./config.status to regenerate the Makefile.
| > 
| > AFAICT, our Makefiles should be compatible with both stock Solaris 2.6
| > make (/usr/ccs/bin/make) and GNU make 3.76.1.
| > 
| >     DH> There is a typo on the general list page, under Using
| >     DH> MAILLIST... "You can post a message to the all the list
| >     DH> members..."
| > 
| >     DH> I'm relatively new to mailman (and python) but out of
| >     DH> curiosity... is there a reason to have _all_ the
| >     DH> subdirectories under mailman sgid? Its probably valid just at
| >     DH> first glance it seems a bit excesive.
| > 
| > Setgid on the directories means that any files created in those
| > directories will inherit the group ownership, presumably `mailman'.
| > This is critical for the directories that Mailman writes files into,
| > but it's very convenient for the other directories as well (since
| > we're creating new files in there occasionally).
| > 
| > -Barry
| > 
| > ------------------------------------------------------
| > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
| > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| > 
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| 



From borg at imaginary.com  Sun Nov  8 19:04:10 1998
From: borg at imaginary.com (George Reese)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 12:04:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1.0b6 error
Message-ID: <19981108120410.A6121@imaginary.com>

Here is the traceback from trying to call up the archives on any of my
lists:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 98, in run_main
    pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(), [scriptname])
  File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/archives.py", line 82, in ?
    replacements[''] = GetArchiveList(list)
  File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/archives.py", line 72, in
GetArchiveList
    link = htmlformat.Link(os.path.join(list._base_archive_url, dir),
AttributeError: _base_archive_url

I upgraded from Mailman 0.95.

Also, I had to chmod 777 the logs and locks directory's to get things
to work.  Because the web server runs under www.www, it cannot write
to those directories.

-- 
George Reese (borg at imaginary.com)       http://www.imaginary.com/~borg
PGP Key: http://www.imaginary.com/servlet/Finger?user=borg&verbose=yes
   "Keep Ted Turner and his goddamned Crayolas away from my movie."
			    -Orson Welles



From borg at imaginary.com  Mon Nov  9 02:41:44 1998
From: borg at imaginary.com (George Reese)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:41:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Issues
Message-ID: <19981108194144.A19726@imaginary.com>

I have definitely found that the problems I was having come from
incompatibilities between 0.95 archiving and 1.0b6 archiving.
Archiving does have the following issues howver:

* there is no default archive page associated with a new list--no
  archive is created until the first email is sent to the list
* i have not found a meaningful way to upgrade existing archives--i
  had to do a lot of manual stuff to make my current archives even available

-- 
George Reese (borg at imaginary.com)       http://www.imaginary.com/~borg
PGP Key: http://www.imaginary.com/servlet/Finger?user=borg&verbose=yes
   "Keep Ted Turner and his goddamned Crayolas away from my movie."
			    -Orson Welles



From farul at cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu  Mon Nov  9 02:16:04 1998
From: farul at cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu (Farul Ghazali)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:16:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User management bug?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981108201018.32701B-100000@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu>

Here's a possible bug I found, on a list that has lots of users, the
Membership Management web page doesn't list everyone at once, but choses
to list chunks at a time. The problem is, I can only see the first chunk,
clicking on the next one (or any other one) will only bring me to the
first chunk.

Adding new users aren't affected (both web page or command line) but
changing user options definitely is since I can't see the options for the
users that come later in the list.






From nathan at robotics.net  Mon Nov  9 04:48:21 1998
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:48:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing
In-Reply-To: <19981108194144.A19726@imaginary.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811082236190.2161-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

I checked the archives, and could not find the answer so I am sending it
to the list. 

I am trying to install mailman, but I get a error when I try to install
it. I was able to install Python with no problem, but get a Undefined
symbol error in the crt0.o file. If anyone has a idea on how to make this
work please let me know.

usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging;  done
for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver;  do
/usr/bin/inst
all -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts;  done
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=800 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1
-DSTDC_HEADE
RS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 common.o -o
admin
/usr/lib/crt0.o: Undefined symbol `_main' referenced from text segment
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.                                                               


><>
Nathan Stratton				Telecom & ISP Consulting
www.robotics.net	 		nathan at robotics.net
--
"No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by
his great strength."                               - Psalm 33:16





From michael at spconnect.com  Sun Nov  8 23:00:33 1998
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:00:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives
In-Reply-To: <19981107205656.29607@chronis.icgroup.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811081400050.21128-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

Look at a archive directory, this command is in dates.html

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Michael Ghens                       Small Planet Connections
Internet: michael at spconnect.com     Santa Barbara, CA 
			            http://www.spconnect.com/~michael    
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Unix is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are.

On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Scott wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 20:56:56 -0500
> From: Scott <scott at chronis.pobox.com>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] archives
> 
> Which archives? 
> 
> This looks like a DocumentTemplate thing that shoulnd't be in there,
> but it's inside an html comment, so it shouldn't really matter.
> 
> scott
> 
> On Sat, Nov 07, 1998 at 05:15:09PM -0800, Michael Ghens wrote:
> | I was looking through the achives. This may be a bug. <!--#var archivedate
> | --></i>
> | 
> | Apache does not recoginize this.
> | 
> | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> | Michael Ghens                       Small Planet Connections
> | Internet: michael at spconnect.com     Santa Barbara, CA 
> | 			            http://www.spconnect.com/~michael    
> | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> |  Unix is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are.
> | 
> | On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> | 
> | > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:57:24 -0500 (EST)
> | > From: Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us>
> | > To: Darren Henderson <darren at jasper.somtel.com>
> | > Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> | > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 1.0b6 private archives, a typo, etc
> | > 
> | > 
> | > >>>>> "DH" == Darren Henderson <darren at jasper.somtel.com> writes:
> | > 
> | >     DH> The package still fails to compile under freebsd unless gmake
> | >     DH> is used.
> | > 
> | > Unfortunately, we only have Solaris and Linux here to test on, so if
> | > you could give more details (and patches? :-) I'd really appreciate
> | > it.  I just fixed a problem with the top level Makefile, so you should 
> | > try to do a CVS update and ./config.status to regenerate the Makefile.
> | > 
> | > AFAICT, our Makefiles should be compatible with both stock Solaris 2.6
> | > make (/usr/ccs/bin/make) and GNU make 3.76.1.
> | > 
> | >     DH> There is a typo on the general list page, under Using
> | >     DH> MAILLIST... "You can post a message to the all the list
> | >     DH> members..."
> | > 
> | >     DH> I'm relatively new to mailman (and python) but out of
> | >     DH> curiosity... is there a reason to have _all_ the
> | >     DH> subdirectories under mailman sgid? Its probably valid just at
> | >     DH> first glance it seems a bit excesive.
> | > 
> | > Setgid on the directories means that any files created in those
> | > directories will inherit the group ownership, presumably `mailman'.
> | > This is critical for the directories that Mailman writes files into,
> | > but it's very convenient for the other directories as well (since
> | > we're creating new files in there occasionally).
> | > 
> | > -Barry
> | > 
> | > ------------------------------------------------------
> | > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> | > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> | > 
> | 
> | 
> | ------------------------------------------------------
> | Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> | 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From gstein at lyra.org  Mon Nov  9 05:06:05 1998
From: gstein at lyra.org (Greg Stein)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:06:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives
References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811081400050.21128-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <36466A2D.5425066F@lyra.org>

Michael Ghens wrote:
> 
> Look at a archive directory, this command is in dates.html
> 

I don't have that file anywhere in my mailman installation or
distribution. Is it possible that it is an old file?

-g

--
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/



From borg at imaginary.com  Sun Nov  8 23:30:06 1998
From: borg at imaginary.com (George Reese)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:30:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Form Tags 0.95->1.0b6
Message-ID: <19981108163006.A13984@imaginary.com>

My listinfo.html for the msql-jdbc mailing list has the following
code:

<P>
<mm-form-start>
To subscribe, please enter the following information:<BR>

And the generated HTML looks like this:

<P>

To subscribe, please enter the following information:<BR>
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER>

Basically, it failed to generate a FORM tag.  Any idea why?

-- 
George Reese (borg at imaginary.com)       http://www.imaginary.com/~borg
PGP Key: http://www.imaginary.com/servlet/Finger?user=borg&verbose=yes
   "Keep Ted Turner and his goddamned Crayolas away from my movie."
			    -Orson Welles



From darren at jasper.somtel.com  Mon Nov  9 07:03:27 1998
From: darren at jasper.somtel.com (Darren Henderson)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:03:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811082236190.2161-100000@skipper.robotics.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.03.9811090100080.18192-100000@jasper.somtel.com>

On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Nathan Stratton wrote:

> it. I was able to install Python with no problem, but get a Undefined
> symbol error in the crt0.o file. If anyone has a idea on how to make this
> work please let me know.

A freebsd system? I see this unless I use gmake. Same spot.

I'm not so sure any longer that its strictly a problem with mailman. It
may be the symptom of some old libraries laying around since the last
operating system upgrade.

______________________________________________________________________
Darren Henderson                              darren at jasper.somtel.com

                   Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/




From nathan at robotics.net  Mon Nov  9 14:54:13 1998
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:54:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.03.9811090100080.18192-100000@jasper.somtel.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811090853240.3382-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Darren Henderson wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Nathan Stratton wrote:
> 
> > it. I was able to install Python with no problem, but get a Undefined
> > symbol error in the crt0.o file. If anyone has a idea on how to make this
> > work please let me know.
> 
> A freebsd system? I see this unless I use gmake. Same spot.

Yes, sorry I should have mentioned that. I went and grabed gmake and now
it works fine. Thanks for the help.

 
> Darren Henderson                              darren at jasper.somtel.com
> 
>                    Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/

-nathan




From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Mon Nov  9 21:24:38 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:24:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User management bug?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981108201018.32701B-100000@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu>; from Farul Ghazali on Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 08:16:04PM -0500
References: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981108201018.32701B-100000@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <19981109152438.04491@chronis.icgroup.com>

what web server/python version are you using?

when you click on a chunk, does it append "?chunk=2" or something like
that to the url? 

scott

On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 08:16:04PM -0500, Farul Ghazali wrote:
| 
| Here's a possible bug I found, on a list that has lots of users, the
| Membership Management web page doesn't list everyone at once, but choses
| to list chunks at a time. The problem is, I can only see the first chunk,
| clicking on the next one (or any other one) will only bring me to the
| first chunk.
| 
| Adding new users aren't affected (both web page or command line) but
| changing user options definitely is since I can't see the options for the
| users that come later in the list.
| 
| 
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| 



From farul at bigfoot.com  Mon Nov  9 21:39:59 1998
From: farul at bigfoot.com (Farul Ghazali)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User management bug?
In-Reply-To: <19981109152438.04491@chronis.icgroup.com>
References: 
 <Pine.OSF.3.96.981108201018.32701B-100000@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu>; from
 Farul Ghazali on Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 08:16:04PM -0500
 <Pine.OSF.3.96.981108201018.32701B-100000@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <v04003a01b26d032ff505@[128.59.97.10]>

>what web server/python version are you using?

I'm using Apache 1.3.0 with Python 1.5.1

>when you click on a chunk, does it append "?chunk=2" or something like
>that to the url?

Yes it does (as it always did) but it reloads only the first page. I've
tried this on multiple versions of Netscape 4 on my Mac as well as on the
Solaris box that runs the mailing list.

I don't remember when this actually happened, but if I were to guess I
would say that it was after I upgraded from 1.0b4 to 1.0b6.

Much thanks.

.farul


>On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 08:16:04PM -0500, Farul Ghazali wrote:
>|
>| Here's a possible bug I found, on a list that has lots of users, the
>| Membership Management web page doesn't list everyone at once, but choses
>| to list chunks at a time. The problem is, I can only see the first chunk,
>| clicking on the next one (or any other one) will only bring me to the
>| first chunk.
>|
>| Adding new users aren't affected (both web page or command line) but
>| changing user options definitely is since I can't see the options for the
>| users that come later in the list.
>|
>|
>|
>|
>| ------------------------------------------------------
>| Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>| http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>|






From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Mon Nov  9 23:43:06 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:43:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User management bug?
In-Reply-To: <v04003a01b26d032ff505@[128.59.97.10]>; from Farul Ghazali on Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 03:39:59PM -0500
References: <Pine.OSF.3.96.981108201018.32701B-100000@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu>; <Pine.OSF.3.96.981108201018.32701B-100000@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu> <19981109152438.04491@chronis.icgroup.com> <v04003a01b26d032ff505@[128.59.97.10]>
Message-ID: <19981109174306.53699@chronis.icgroup.com>

On Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 03:39:59PM -0500, Farul Ghazali wrote:
| >what web server/python version are you using?
| 
| I'm using Apache 1.3.0 with Python 1.5.1
| 
| >when you click on a chunk, does it append "?chunk=2" or something like
| >that to the url?
| 
| Yes it does (as it always did) but it reloads only the first page. I've
| tried this on multiple versions of Netscape 4 on my Mac as well as on the
| Solaris box that runs the mailing list.
| 
| I don't remember when this actually happened, but if I were to guess I
| would say that it was after I upgraded from 1.0b4 to 1.0b6.
| 
| Much thanks.
| 
| .farul


This is strange.  If you enter the full url in the browser (with the
?chunk= appended), then go to it, it works, but if you click on the
url, the extra query string doesn't get passed in for some reason.  

I've not seen this behavior before.  Does anyone know what might be
stripping the query string from a link in apache 1.3.0? I know that
older apache's didn't pass query strings when Redirect'ing from one
location to another, but it appears that this now works in apache.

Is there anything that may to point to this in the web server's
configuration? 

scott






From peter at unica.co.uk  Mon Nov  9 23:51:00 1998
From: peter at unica.co.uk (Peter Bowyer)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:51:00 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User management bug?
Message-ID: <116501be0c33$6cbddc40$5a6545c2@mulder95.unica.co.uk>

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott <scott at chronis.pobox.com>
To: Farul Ghazali <farul at bigfoot.com>
Cc: mailman-users at python.org <mailman-users at python.org>
Date: 09 November 1998 22:54
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] User management bug?


>On Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 03:39:59PM -0500, Farul Ghazali wrote:
>| >what web server/python version are you using?
>|
>| I'm using Apache 1.3.0 with Python 1.5.1
>|
>| >when you click on a chunk, does it append "?chunk=2" or something like
>| >that to the url?
>|
>| Yes it does (as it always did) but it reloads only the first page. I've
>| tried this on multiple versions of Netscape 4 on my Mac as well as on the
>| Solaris box that runs the mailing list.
>|
>| I don't remember when this actually happened, but if I were to guess I
>| would say that it was after I upgraded from 1.0b4 to 1.0b6.
>|
>| Much thanks.
>|
>| .farul
>
>
>This is strange.  If you enter the full url in the browser (with the
>?chunk= appended), then go to it, it works, but if you click on the
>url, the extra query string doesn't get passed in for some reason.
>
>I've not seen this behavior before.  Does anyone know what might be
>stripping the query string from a link in apache 1.3.0? I know that
>older apache's didn't pass query strings when Redirect'ing from one
>location to another, but it appears that this now works in apache.
>
>Is there anything that may to point to this in the web server's
>configuration?
>


Have you checked the webserver logs to make sure the correct URL is being
requested? In entirely different circumstances, I've seen a browser cache
cause simliar problems to this - it wouldn't properly reload a CGI page.

Peter




From matt at la.razorfish.com  Tue Nov 10 23:28:14 1998
From: matt at la.razorfish.com (Matt Paladino)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:28:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Apache
Message-ID: <3648BDFE.61CF42ED@la.razorfish.com>

Hi Users-

I've installed Mailman without any problems, but I can't seem to figure
out how I should setup Apache.

My document root for mailman is /www/htdocs/mailman.

I've tried the following:

<Directory /www/htdocs/mailman>
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /www/htdocs/mailman/cgi-bin/
</Directory>

and 

<Directory /www/htdocs/mailman>
Options ExecCGI
</Directory>

They don't seem to work.  Can anyone give me some pointers?

Thanks in advance.

Matt

-- 
|  ||  |||  ||          r  a  z  o  r  f  i  s  h  , los angeles

matt paladino
     [ senior developer ]

					>> 310.581.3616 x 160



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Nov 11 01:54:10 1998
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 11 Nov 1998 01:54:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Apache
References: <3648BDFE.61CF42ED@la.razorfish.com>
Message-ID: <d6dbtmfoxql.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Matt Paladino]

> Hi Users-
> 
> I've installed Mailman without any problems, but I can't seem to figure
> out how I should setup Apache.
> 
> My document root for mailman is /www/htdocs/mailman.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by the "document root".  If you mean
that you configured Mailman like this:

  ./configure --prefix=/www/htdocs/mailman

you should add these lines to Apache's srm.conf:

  ScriptAlias /mailman/ /www/htdocs/mailman/cgi-bin/
  Alias /pipermail/ /www/htdocs/mailman/archives/public/

They should not be placed inside <Directory> tags.  However, you might
have to specify other server options for some Mailman directories,
e.g.:

  <Directory /www/htdocs/mailman/archives/public>
  Options FollowSymLinks
  </Directory>

If you meant something else when referring to your "document root",
substitute "/www/htdocs/mailman/" in the instructions above with the
directory you gave to the --prefix option of configure (or just use
the default install directory, "/usr/local/", if you didn't use the
--prefix option at all).

HTH,
-- 
Harald



From nathan at robotics.net  Wed Nov 11 07:44:18 1998
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:44:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Apache
In-Reply-To: <3648BDFE.61CF42ED@la.razorfish.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811110143420.9552-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Matt Paladino wrote:

> Hi Users-
> 
> I've installed Mailman without any problems, but I can't seem to figure
> out how I should setup Apache.
> 
> My document root for mailman is /www/htdocs/mailman.
> 
> I've tried the following:
> 
> <Directory /www/htdocs/mailman>
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /www/htdocs/mailman/cgi-bin/
> </Directory>

Try putting that in srm.com

-Nathan

> Matt
> 
> -- 
> |  ||  |||  ||          r  a  z  o  r  f  i  s  h  , los angeles
> 
> matt paladino
>      [ senior developer ]
> 
> 					>> 310.581.3616 x 160




From nathan at robotics.net  Wed Nov 11 07:47:35 1998
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:47:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] only allowing members to post
In-Reply-To: <3648BDFE.61CF42ED@la.razorfish.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811110144220.9552-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

I would like to setup mailman to only allow users subscribed to post to
the list. I see mailman has a option to allow users not to post, but I
would like to take it one step further. I don't want people to be able to
send mail to the list unless they are subscribed and allowed to post. This
will keep mail and users who are banned from sending mail to the list.

I am also looking for a way to modify the background color, text and other
options on the CGI pages, is this possible?

><>
Nathan Stratton				Telecom & ISP Consulting
www.robotics.net	 		nathan at robotics.net
--
"No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by
his great strength."                               - Psalm 33:16





From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Wed Nov 11 17:36:38 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:36:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] only allowing members to post
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811110144220.9552-100000@skipper.robotics.net>; from Nathan Stratton on Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 01:47:35AM -0500
References: <3648BDFE.61CF42ED@la.razorfish.com> <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811110144220.9552-100000@skipper.robotics.net>
Message-ID: <19981111113638.59157@chronis.icgroup.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 01:47:35AM -0500, Nathan Stratton wrote:
| 
| I would like to setup mailman to only allow users subscribed to post to
| the list. I see mailman has a option to allow users not to post, but I
| would like to take it one step further. I don't want people to be able to
| send mail to the list unless they are subscribed and allowed to post. This
| will keep mail and users who are banned from sending mail to the list.

You should mark the list as allowing only members to post, then add
troublemakers to the the list of addresseses described as "addresses
whose postings are always held for approval". both these settings are
under admin/privacy.

| 
| I am also looking for a way to modify the background color, text and other
| options on the CGI pages, is this possible?

It's possible, but unfortunately not easily configurable.  If you
search for "#ffffff" in the code and replace it with whatever color
you want, it'll probably do what you want.


scott



From jnlewis at arachnerd.com  Wed Nov 11 20:30:40 1998
From: jnlewis at arachnerd.com (John Lewis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:30:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied to archives dir with apache
Message-ID: <4.1.19981111142051.00bd16a0@arachnerd.com>

Firstly, I just installed Mailman 1.0b6 on my RedHat 5.2 box, and I am VERY
impressed.  The directions were excellent, everything happened as it
should, and all is working as it should (except for my one problem).  The
developers should be proud of what you have done.  A million thanks to all
your hard work to make this happen.

My problem is that when I try to access the archives directory from a
browser, I get the following:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /pipermail/testlist on this server.

I am running Apache 1.3.1, and have added the appropriate alias entry in
srm.conf for pipermail

Everything else is running great, so perhaps there is a simple access
issue, or line to add to some config file that would allow access to the
archives/public directory?

Thanks.

John Lewis



From cklempay at acm.jhu.edu  Wed Nov 11 20:44:33 1998
From: cklempay at acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:44:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied to archives dir with apache
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981111142051.00bd16a0@arachnerd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9811111441210.24320-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Yes, I had a pretty much identical problem (RH 5.1 machine).  What does an
ls -l look like in your /home/mailman/archives/private/ dir look like?
Scott (scott at chronis.pobox.com) logged onto my system and found that a
bunch of the symlinks were all crackheaded..some pointed to the right
place, and others didn't. After he fixed this, (and I used the arch script
to import my accumulated list archives) all has been fine and dandy.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Corbett J. Klempay			         Quote of the Week:
http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay  "Conscience is the inner voice that
				    warns up that someone may be looking." 

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------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, John Lewis wrote:

> Firstly, I just installed Mailman 1.0b6 on my RedHat 5.2 box, and I am VERY
> impressed.  The directions were excellent, everything happened as it
> should, and all is working as it should (except for my one problem).  The
> developers should be proud of what you have done.  A million thanks to all
> your hard work to make this happen.
> 
> My problem is that when I try to access the archives directory from a
> browser, I get the following:
> 
> Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /pipermail/testlist on this server.
> 
> I am running Apache 1.3.1, and have added the appropriate alias entry in
> srm.conf for pipermail
> 
> Everything else is running great, so perhaps there is a simple access
> issue, or line to add to some config file that would allow access to the
> archives/public directory?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> John Lewis
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From jlewis at prospace.org  Wed Nov 11 21:00:50 1998
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:00:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied to archives dir with
  apache
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9811111441210.24320-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.e
 du>
References: <4.1.19981111142051.00bd16a0@arachnerd.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.19981111145742.00bcbdf0@arachnerd.com>

At 02:44 PM 11/11/98 -0500, Corbett J. Klempay wrote:
>Yes, I had a pretty much identical problem (RH 5.1 machine).  What does an
>ls -l look like in your /home/mailman/archives/private/ dir look like?
>Scott (scott at chronis.pobox.com) logged onto my system and found that a
>bunch of the symlinks were all crackheaded..some pointed to the right
>place, and others didn't. After he fixed this, (and I used the arch script
>to import my accumulated list archives) all has been fine and dandy.

Here is what I get for the /home/mailman/archives/public directory:

[jlewis at hadron public]$ ls -l
total 0
rwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        39 Nov 10 17:36 testlist ->
/home/mailman/archives/private/testlist
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        44 Nov 10 17:36 testlist.mbox ->
/home/mailman/archives/private/testlist.mbox

Which looks right.  Is it though?  I installed mailman as root.

-JL



From cklempay at acm.jhu.edu  Wed Nov 11 21:06:15 1998
From: cklempay at acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:06:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied to archives dir with  apache
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981111145742.00bcbdf0@arachnerd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9811111504480.24570-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Hmm...looks right to me, and matches with how mine are set up now.  Also,
in your srm.conf file (you said you had it modified), do you have a 

Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/

Note, there should _not_ be a ScriptAlias line involving pipermail. (I
forget if that's how the documentation is worded or what, but for a while
I had both, and Scott said there should only be 1, and it should be the
Alias)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Corbett J. Klempay			         Quote of the Week:
http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay  "Conscience is the inner voice that
				    warns up that someone may be looking." 

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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, John Lewis wrote:

> At 02:44 PM 11/11/98 -0500, Corbett J. Klempay wrote:
> >Yes, I had a pretty much identical problem (RH 5.1 machine).  What does an
> >ls -l look like in your /home/mailman/archives/private/ dir look like?
> >Scott (scott at chronis.pobox.com) logged onto my system and found that a
> >bunch of the symlinks were all crackheaded..some pointed to the right
> >place, and others didn't. After he fixed this, (and I used the arch script
> >to import my accumulated list archives) all has been fine and dandy.
> 
> Here is what I get for the /home/mailman/archives/public directory:
> 
> [jlewis at hadron public]$ ls -l
> total 0
> rwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        39 Nov 10 17:36 testlist ->
> /home/mailman/archives/private/testlist
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        44 Nov 10 17:36 testlist.mbox ->
> /home/mailman/archives/private/testlist.mbox
> 
> Which looks right.  Is it though?  I installed mailman as root.
> 
> -JL
> 




From jlewis at prospace.org  Wed Nov 11 21:32:08 1998
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:32:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied to archives dir with 
  apache
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9811111504480.24570-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.e
 du>
References: <4.1.19981111145742.00bcbdf0@arachnerd.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.19981111152729.0093dc50@arachnerd.com>

At 03:06 PM 11/11/98 -0500, Corbett J. Klempay wrote:
>Hmm...looks right to me, and matches with how mine are set up now.  Also,
>in your srm.conf file (you said you had it modified), do you have a 
>
>Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
>
>Note, there should _not_ be a ScriptAlias line involving pipermail. (I
>forget if that's how the documentation is worded or what, but for a while
>I had both, and Scott said there should only be 1, and it should be the
>Alias)

Yes, only the alias entry.  I believe Scott, in his infinite wisdom and
patience, is looking into it now.

I will keep you all posted.

-JL



From jlewis at prospace.org  Wed Nov 11 23:33:55 1998
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:33:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied to archives dir with
  apache
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981111152729.0093dc50@arachnerd.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9811111504480.24570-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.e du>
 <4.1.19981111145742.00bcbdf0@arachnerd.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.19981111173049.00bdec70@arachnerd.com>

Scott, of pobox.com, had the solution to the archive access issue.

In the Apache srm.conf file, I needed to have the following:

<Directory /home/mailman/archives/public>
Options FollowSymLinks
order allow,deny
allow from all
</Directory>

After adding that, and restarting httpd, it now works.

Now if only we could restrict access to private archives to members of the
list, using the email address as a login, and the list password as the
access password to see the archives...

Thanks for everybody's input.

-JL



From jlewis at prospace.org  Wed Nov 11 23:40:50 1998
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:40:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member email address format issues
Message-ID: <4.1.19981111173400.00be5b80@arachnerd.com>

Greetings, 

I am running mailman 1.0b6 on a redhat 5.2 intel box.

I added several members to a mailing list using the following format:

John Doe <john.doe at anon.com>

Which appears to work in regard to sending out mail etc, 

However, it upsets the html parsing of the membership configuration page in
the administration settings.  The brackets around the email address wreak
havoc with the checkboxes for the user options.

Perhaps this needs to be stated in the instructions for adding new users...
 just add their email addresses, not names etc.

Which gets me to: Is there a way I can edit the current subscribers to
remove the above syntax and replace it with just their email addresses
without having to unsubscribe them then resubscribe?  Is there a text file
of subscribers that I can edit?

Thanks.

-John Lewis



From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Wed Nov 11 23:36:17 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied to archives dir with apache
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981111173049.00bdec70@arachnerd.com>; from John Lewis on Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 05:33:55PM -0500
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9811111504480.24570-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.e <4.1.19981111145742.00bcbdf0@arachnerd.com> <4.1.19981111152729.0093dc50@arachnerd.com> <4.1.19981111173049.00bdec70@arachnerd.com>
Message-ID: <19981111173617.16093@chronis.icgroup.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 05:33:55PM -0500, John Lewis wrote:
| Scott, of pobox.com, had the solution to the archive access issue.

Gee i feel like i have a new sirname "pobox.com" ;)

| In the Apache srm.conf file, I needed to have the following:
| 
| <Directory /home/mailman/archives/public>
| Options FollowSymLinks
| order allow,deny
| allow from all
| </Directory>

the extra little "order allow,deny...allow from all" is necessary if
their are auth restrictions in a higher level directory preventing
access access to the public.

Maybe this should go in the docs somewhere.

| After adding that, and restarting httpd, it now works.
| 
| Now if only we could restrict access to private archives to members of the
| list, using the email address as a login, and the list password as the
| access password to see the archives...

do you mean the list admin password, or creating a separate listwide
password that will work for everybody for everything except admin
stuff? 

scott



From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Wed Nov 11 23:58:57 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:58:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member email address format issues
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981111173400.00be5b80@arachnerd.com>; from John Lewis on Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 05:40:50PM -0500
References: <4.1.19981111173400.00be5b80@arachnerd.com>
Message-ID: <19981111175857.51179@chronis.icgroup.com>

we just had the same problem here.  It looks like convert_list and
what not need to be a little more robust about what exactly gets
added. 

In order to change the subscriptions, you have to either write a
script, or interact with the list manually to fix this without
unsubscribing/resusbscribing everyone.  This could be a pain.  Another
alternative is to delete the list then re run convert_list or whatever
you ran originally with just the names and nothing else.

I've attached a script that should fix all such addresses, just put it
in your $prefix/bin directory, chmod it, and run it.

Please note the printed output to make sure that it does exactly what
you want.

scott


On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 05:40:50PM -0500, John Lewis wrote:
| Greetings, 
| 
| I am running mailman 1.0b6 on a redhat 5.2 intel box.
| 
| I added several members to a mailing list using the following format:
| 
| John Doe <john.doe at anon.com>
| 
| Which appears to work in regard to sending out mail etc, 
| 
| However, it upsets the html parsing of the membership configuration page in
| the administration settings.  The brackets around the email address wreak
| havoc with the checkboxes for the user options.
| 
| Perhaps this needs to be stated in the instructions for adding new users...
|  just add their email addresses, not names etc.
| 
| Which gets me to: Is there a way I can edit the current subscribers to
| remove the above syntax and replace it with just their email addresses
| without having to unsubscribe them then resubscribe?  Is there a text file
| of subscribers that I can edit?
| 
| Thanks.
| 
| -John Lewis
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| 
-------------- next part --------------
#!/usr/bin/env python

import re
import sys

import paths

from Mailman.Utils import map_maillists, list_names
from Mailman.MailList import MailList


def log(msg, *args):
    if not args:
        sys.stderr.write(msg + "\n")
        return
    t = tuple(args)
    msg = msg % t
    sys.stderr.write(msg + "\n")

#
# an re for almost all emails (with FQHN) and that
# will get rid of most errors.
#
valid_email = re.compile(r"[^<> \t,]+@[^<> \t,]+").search


def fix_addrs(addr_list):
    res = []
    for a in addr_list:
        m = valid_email(a)
        if not m:
            log("\t%s doesn't look like a valid address!", a)
            continue
        if m.group(0) != a:
	    log("\treplacing %s with %s", a, m.group(0))
            res.append(m.group(0))
        else:
            res.append(a)
    return res

for listname in list_names():
    l = MailList(listname)
    print "looking addresses for", listname
    l.members = fix_addrs(l.members)
    l.digest_members = fix_addrs(l.digest_members)
    l.Save()

            

From jh at harkin.net  Thu Nov 12 01:10:56 1998
From: jh at harkin.net (John Harkin)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:10:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member email address format issues
In-Reply-To: <19981111175857.51179@chronis.icgroup.com>
References: <4.1.19981111173400.00be5b80@arachnerd.com>; from John Lewis
 on Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 05:40:50PM -0500
 <4.1.19981111173400.00be5b80@arachnerd.com>
Message-ID: <l03130306b26fd73e0025@[206.184.0.100]>

Thanks, Scott!

I managed to add some subscribers with embedded spaces in their addresses.
Parts of mailman will take that, and parts blow up.  I could not remove
them from the list until I ran your script and converted them to something
saner.

John


At 2:58 PM -0800 11/11/98, Scott wrote:
>we just had the same problem here.  It looks like convert_list and
>what not need to be a little more robust about what exactly gets
>added.
>
>In order to change the subscriptions, you have to either write a
>script, or interact with the list manually to fix this without
>unsubscribing/resusbscribing everyone.  This could be a pain.  Another
>alternative is to delete the list then re run convert_list or whatever
>you ran originally with just the names and nothing else.
>
>I've attached a script that should fix all such addresses, just put it
>in your $prefix/bin directory, chmod it, and run it.
>
>Please note the printed output to make sure that it does exactly what
>you want.
>
>scott

--
John Harkin
Internet Network and Systems Consulting
jh at harkin.net   voice: 415-472-2452   fax: 415-472-2454





From jh at harkin.net  Thu Nov 12 01:18:20 1998
From: jh at harkin.net (John Harkin)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:18:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] biggest practical mailman list?
Message-ID: <l03130307b26fd82e38b2@[206.184.0.100]>

I'm using Mailman now for a small mailing list, less than 1000 addresses so
far.  A friend of mine needs to move a large list, over 32K addresses, to
something new.  I've been talking up Mailman, but began to wonder if there
are scale issues with Mailman.  Has anyone run a list that big?  Does the
database bog down loading a huge flat file for every request?  Are there
integer size limitations?  My friend's current mailing list's editor broke
with more than 2^15 addresses!

John

--
John Harkin
Internet Network and Systems Consulting
jh at harkin.net   voice: 415-472-2452   fax: 415-472-2454





From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Thu Nov 12 01:49:38 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:49:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] biggest practical mailman list?
In-Reply-To: <l03130307b26fd82e38b2@[206.184.0.100]>; from John Harkin on Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 04:18:20PM -0800
References: <l03130307b26fd82e38b2@[206.184.0.100]>
Message-ID: <19981111194938.25683@chronis.icgroup.com>

The largest list I know of to date is about a 3k discussion list.
I've got a couple  of 2k lists, and am about to add 24k list, but I
think anticipate problems with the membership management section with
this list.

The membership management section is a bit sluggish, but still
functional for my 2-3k sized lists.  Redoing this to handle larger
lists is high on my priorities, needless to say :)

scott

On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 04:18:20PM -0800, John Harkin wrote:
| I'm using Mailman now for a small mailing list, less than 1000 addresses so
| far.  A friend of mine needs to move a large list, over 32K addresses, to
| something new.  I've been talking up Mailman, but began to wonder if there
| are scale issues with Mailman.  Has anyone run a list that big?  Does the
| database bog down loading a huge flat file for every request?  Are there
| integer size limitations?  My friend's current mailing list's editor broke
| with more than 2^15 addresses!
| 
| John
| 
| --
| John Harkin
| Internet Network and Systems Consulting
| jh at harkin.net   voice: 415-472-2452   fax: 415-472-2454
| 
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| 



From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Thu Nov 12 16:13:50 1998
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:13:50 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin requests on the lists
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.981112161135.37107J-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

Hello!

I've upgraded to 1.0b6 and it seems that the admin request filtering
doesn't work. For example unsubscribe messages to the list don't get
caught. Any ideas ?

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/





From grin at tolna.net  Sun Nov 15 17:54:51 1998
From: grin at tolna.net (Peter Gervai)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:54:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe users from command line?
Message-ID: <19981115175451.I7256@mail.tolna.net>

Hello,

Is it possible to add email addresses to a list's subscriber base from
command line (from a shell script)?

I had a script 'echo email at addr >> ~majordomo/lists/mylist' but mailman
uses databases, so it should be done calling python routines, somehow...

Thanks,
Peter

ps: btw isn't it possible to see list archieves older than one month..?
I tried to look this info up but only last month's archieves were available.



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Nov 16 20:39:53 1998
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:39:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives
References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9811081400050.21128-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
	<36466A2D.5425066F@lyra.org>
Message-ID: <13904.32649.34347.127825@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "GS" == Greg Stein <gstein at lyra.org> writes:

    GS> Michael Ghens wrote:
    >>  Look at a archive directory, this command is in dates.html

    GS> I don't have that file anywhere in my mailman installation or
    GS> distribution. Is it possible that it is an old file?

AFAICT, that file never existed.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Nov 16 21:49:58 1998
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:49:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] only allowing members to post
References: <3648BDFE.61CF42ED@la.razorfish.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.05.9811110144220.9552-100000@skipper.robotics.net>
Message-ID: <13904.36854.346107.623053@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "NS" == Nathan Stratton <nathan at robotics.net> writes:

    NS> I am also looking for a way to modify the background color,
    NS> text and other options on the CGI pages, is this possible?

I am hoping that after the 1.0 release we can seriously look at basing 
the Web building part of Mailman on something like DocumentTemplate
(from the Digicool guys).  I also hope that doing so will make it much 
easier for folks to customize their sites the way you describe.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Nov 16 21:55:24 1998
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:55:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member email address format issues
References: <4.1.19981111173400.00be5b80@arachnerd.com>
	<19981111175857.51179@chronis.icgroup.com>
Message-ID: <13904.37180.870849.99338@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "Scott" == Scott  <scott at chronis.pobox.com> writes:

    Scott> we just had the same problem here.  It looks like
    Scott> convert_list and what not need to be a little more robust
    Scott> about what exactly gets added.

It sounds like any script that takes email addresses from users
(e.g. convert_list) needs to run a verification check on the addrs and 
normalize them.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Nov 16 21:33:43 1998
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:33:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing
References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811082236190.2161-100000@skipper.robotics.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.03.9811090100080.18192-100000@jasper.somtel.com>
Message-ID: <13904.35879.908444.628234@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "DH" == Darren Henderson <darren at jasper.somtel.com> writes:

    DH> A freebsd system? I see this unless I use gmake. Same spot.

    DH> I'm not so sure any longer that its strictly a problem with
    DH> mailman. It may be the symptom of some old libraries laying
    DH> around since the last operating system upgrade.

I sure wish I could understand this better.  If any FreeBSDers figure
this out, please do let us know.  In the meantime, I've created a file 
called `BUGS' and added the following entry.  Does this seem accurate?

- There seems to be a problem building the C wrappers on FreeBSD
  systems when not using GNU make (gmake).  The symptom is that you
  get an undefined symbol `_main' in /usr/lib/crt0.o.  We don't know
  anything more about the causes, and there is some suspicion that the 
  problem is unrelated to Mailman.  Using gmake to build Mailman
  appears to solve the problem.

-Barry



From gstein at lyra.org  Wed Nov 18 01:54:06 1998
From: gstein at lyra.org (Greg Stein)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:54:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] traceback while sending digests
Message-ID: <36521AAE.3027B040@lyra.org>

I sent this once before and didn't hear anything. I just got my third
copy of this. Looking at the mailman-developers archive, it appears that
others are getting it to.

Can we get some kind of word on what the problem is?

thx
-g

--
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
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From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Wed Nov 18 04:00:45 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:00:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] traceback while sending digests
In-Reply-To: <36521AAE.3027B040@lyra.org>; from Greg Stein on Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 04:54:06PM -0800
References: <36521AAE.3027B040@lyra.org>
Message-ID: <19981117220045.42017@chronis.icgroup.com>

On Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 04:54:06PM -0800, Greg Stein wrote:
| I sent this once before and didn't hear anything. I just got my third
| copy of this. Looking at the mailman-developers archive, it appears that
| others are getting it to.
| 
| Can we get some kind of word on what the problem is?
| 

sorry i haven't had time to be more responsive.  i've got a lot of other
work on my hands at the moment, so i'll throw in my best educated
guess instead of a thorough analysis, and hope it helps.

First off, i believe that this problem is either system dependent or
showing itself through list configs that i don't have.  i'm not seeing
this under linux or solaris2.5.1, and both installations have taken a
bit of a beating.

secondly, this problem probably results from calling 
os.popen(<prg>, "w")  where <prg> does this right off the bat:

if not os.fork():
   # do the work
os._exit(0)


the way i understand os._exit(0) is that it should only be used for
child processes, not parent processes, when a fork() is done.  Perhaps
there are some underlying things in the system or list configs which
cause the parent program to exit before the child is done reading
stdin. 

at any rate, if those who are experiencing this problem could try
replacing the os._exit(0) in the function "main()" in scripts/deliver
with "sys.exit(0)" or some such, this *might* fix the problem.  

I *think* that should be changed anyway, but could be mistaken.

that's my best educated guess.

if it don't help, i hope to be able to address more of this later this
week, but can't promise anything yet.

good luck,

scott

| thx
| -g
| 
| --
| Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/

| Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:00:02 -0800
| From: root at cartman.lyra.org (Cron Daemon)
| To: mailman at cartman.lyra.org
| Subject: Cron <mailman at cartman> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/install/cron/senddigests
| X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
| X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
| X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
| X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
| 
| Traceback (innermost last):
|   File "/home/mailman/install/cron/senddigests", line 37, in ?
|     main()
|   File "/home/mailman/install/cron/senddigests", line 34, in main
|     list.SendDigestIfAny()
|   File "/home/mailman/install/Mailman/Digester.py", line 194, in SendDigestIfAny
|     self.SendDigestOnSize(0)
|   File "/home/mailman/install/Mailman/Digester.py", line 206, in SendDigestOnSize
|     self.SendDigest()
|   File "/home/mailman/install/Mailman/Digester.py", line 291, in SendDigest
|     self.DeliverToList(d.Present(mime=1), 
|   File "/home/mailman/install/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 133, in DeliverToList
|     status = cmdproc.close()
| IOError: (10, 'No child processes')
| 




From nathan at robotics.net  Wed Nov 18 07:05:22 1998
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:05:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron and list not found
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9811180103270.22226-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

I am getting a mail sent to me at night from cron with a error that it
can't find the list. I know the list is there, if I go to
lists.robotics.net/admin and /listinfo I can see the list and users have
been using it for the last week. So why is cron giving me this error?


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 45, in ?
    list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 55, in __init__
    raise Errors.MMUnknownListError, 'list not found: %s' % name
MMUnknownListError: list not found: cleclist
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_log_files' in <method
MailList.__del__
of MailList instance at 99590> ignored


--
Check out the new CLEC mailing list at http://www.robotics.net/clec
><>
Nathan Stratton				Telecom & ISP Consulting
www.robotics.net	 		nathan at robotics.net




From dlux at dlux.sch.bme.hu  Wed Nov 18 16:12:52 1998
From: dlux at dlux.sch.bme.hu (Szabo, Balazs)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:12:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrating without Admin password
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981118161144.18825C-100000@dlux.sch.bme.hu>

Hello!

  I  am the  mailman  owner on  a  site, and  I want  to  change a  list
parameter.  How  can  I  do  that,  if  I  don't  know  the  listowner's
password?

dLux
--
Hal 9000 - "Put down those Windows disks Dave.... Dave? DAVE!!"





From scott at chronis.pobox.com  Wed Nov 18 17:30:20 1998
From: scott at chronis.pobox.com (Scott)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrating without Admin password
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981118161144.18825C-100000@dlux.sch.bme.hu>; from Szabo, Balazs on Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 04:12:52PM +0100
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981118161144.18825C-100000@dlux.sch.bme.hu>
Message-ID: <19981118113020.21699@chronis.icgroup.com>

you can use the site password to change anything on any lost or get
access to anything that requires a password. 

scott

On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 04:12:52PM +0100, Szabo, Balazs wrote:
| Hello!
| 
|   I  am the  mailman  owner on  a  site, and  I want  to  change a  list
| parameter.  How  can  I  do  that,  if  I  don't  know  the  listowner's
| password?
| 
| dLux
| --
| Hal 9000 - "Put down those Windows disks Dave.... Dave? DAVE!!"
| 
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| 



From klm at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Nov 18 16:30:46 1998
From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:30:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrating without Admin password
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981118161144.18825C-100000@dlux.sch.bme.hu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981118102657.1591K-100000@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Szabo, Balazs wrote:

>   I  am the  mailman  owner on  a  site, and  I want  to  change a  list
> parameter.  How  can  I  do  that,  if  I  don't  know  the  listowner's
> password?

The mailman site administrator's password (created using the mailman
bin/mmsitepass script) should be accepted just about anywhere that
individual list administrator's or user's passwords are required.  This
fact should be featured prominently in the administrator's
documentation, which currently means the install guide, i guess...

Ken Manheimer		  klm at python.org	    703 620-8990 x268
	    (orporation for National Research |nitiatives

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From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Wed Nov 18 16:43:20 1998
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:43:20 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrating without Admin password
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981118161144.18825C-100000@dlux.sch.bme.hu>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.981118164235.56798L-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Szabo, Balazs wrote:

>   I  am the  mailman  owner on  a  site, and  I want  to  change a  list
> parameter.  How  can  I  do  that,  if  I  don't  know  the  listowner's
> password?

you can use the site master password. see ~mailman/bin/mmsitepass.

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From dlux at dlux.sch.bme.hu  Wed Nov 18 16:40:31 1998
From: dlux at dlux.sch.bme.hu (Szabo, Balazs)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:40:31 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow python process
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981118161328.18825E-100000@dlux.sch.bme.hu>

Hi!

  When I  get an  email to a  very popular list,  the python  is working
with  this  letter a  lot.  One  python  process  is tooks  about  50-60
seconds with  a letter. The list  has about 300 members,  and they write
usually 150-200  letters per  day. Some  times when I  see the  "top", I
see 6-7 python  process running with the "post" script. Why  it takes so
much for  posting one  letter? I  don't think  that sending  150 letters
takes  about  50 seconds.  I  think  it could  be  the  archiver. Is  it
possible? If  it is,  how can  change the behaviour  of the  archiver? I
only want to make the archiver working eg. once a day.

dLux
--
== Whip me. Beat me. Make me maintain AIX ==




From dirk at daniel  Wed Nov 18 19:21:49 1998
From: dirk at daniel (Dirk Allard)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:21:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List adress problems
Message-ID: <19981118192149.B16203@daniel>

Hi,

sending a mail to my newly created mailing list I get the following
error message from my mailer-demon:

|------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------|
 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd empiria-rpg" ... failed: transport
pipe:
+child returned status EX_1 (1)
|------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------|

Anybody knows what this means?

Dirk
-- 
Dirk Allard

BUGH Wuppertal - Polymere Materialien
email dirk at materials.uni-wuppertal.de
Tel   +49-202-4393873
Fax   +49-202-4393880



From darren at jasper.somtel.com  Wed Nov 18 18:38:29 1998
From: darren at jasper.somtel.com (Darren Henderson)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:38:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrating without Admin password
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981118102657.1591K-100000@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.03.9811181233530.8856-100000@jasper.somtel.com>

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Ken Manheimer wrote:

> The mailman site administrator's password (created using the mailman
> bin/mmsitepass script) should be accepted just about anywhere that
> individual list administrator's or user's passwords are required.  This

Hmmm...I don't remember seeing this during the install (probably was there
I just don't remeber:)... can the program be run at any time to create the
password or is it dependent on the install process?


______________________________________________________________________
Darren Henderson                              darren at jasper.somtel.com

                   Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/




From klm at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Nov 18 19:16:07 1998
From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:16:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrating without Admin password
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.03.9811181233530.8856-100000@jasper.somtel.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981118131303.1591a-100000@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Darren Henderson wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Ken Manheimer wrote:
> > The mailman site administrator's password (created using the mailman
> > bin/mmsitepass script) should be accepted just about anywhere that
> > individual list administrator's or user's passwords are required.  This
> 
> Hmmm...I don't remember seeing this during the install (probably was there
> I just don't remeber:)... can the program be run at any time to create the
> password or is it dependent on the install process?

It can be run at any time - go for it.  (It is mentioned in the INSTALL
instructions - but lacked any explanation.  I've just changed that, i'm
hoping that will make it a bit more noticable, and understandable...)

ken




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Thu Nov 19 19:41:55 1998
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 19 Nov 1998 19:41:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List adress problems
In-Reply-To: Dirk Allard's message of "Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:21:49 +0100"
References: <19981118192149.B16203@daniel>
Message-ID: <d6d4srvcyoc.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Dirk Allard]

> Hi,
> 
> sending a mail to my newly created mailing list I get the following
> error message from my mailer-demon:
> 
> |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------|
>  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd empiria-rpg" ... failed: transport
> pipe:
> +child returned status EX_1 (1)
> |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------|
> 
> Anybody knows what this means?

I means that the pipe exited with a non-zero status, in this case 1.

I suspect that your MTA isn't running the wrapper under the correct
user -- here is my Exim setup, note the "user = mailman" in the
transport:

######################################################################
#                      TRANPORTS CONFIGURATION                       #
######################################################################

mailman_list_pipe:
  driver = pipe
  allow_commands = /local/Mailman/mail/wrapper
  user = mailman
  return_output

######################################################################
#                      DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION                       #
######################################################################

local_lists:
  driver = aliasfile
  search_type = lsearch
  file = /local/Mailman/data/MTA_aliases
  pipe_transport = mailman_list_pipe

-- 
Harald



From kemp at ocean2.msrc.sunysb.edu  Tue Nov 24 19:10:50 1998
From: kemp at ocean2.msrc.sunysb.edu (kemp at ocean2.msrc.sunysb.edu)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:10:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem w/ subscribing on Debian 2.0 system
Message-ID: <m0ziNE7-000EHAC@ocean2.msrc.sunysb.edu>

I am running Debian 2.0, using smail release 3_2_0_101. 
I have set up a mailing list LOTOC and can run admin 
functions just fine.  When I attempt to subscribe to the 
list in order to test it, I get the initial mailing requesting 
confirmation before my subscription is entered.  I return 
that email to confirm, and receive the following error sent 
to postmaster:


|------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------
|
 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lotoc" ... failed: 
transport pipe:
 child returned status EX_1 (1)
|------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------

(etc etc)


I have seen something like this addressed once before in 
the archives but for a different system configuration.  The 
solution there was to alter the EXIM director and 
transport files.  Can anyone explain how I would do this 
for a Debian/smail based system?

Thanks!

Paul Kemp



From davroc at hplb.hpl.hp.com  Wed Nov 25 12:39:18 1998
From: davroc at hplb.hpl.hp.com (David Rocher)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:39:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem w/ subscribing on Debian 2.0 system
In-Reply-To: <m0ziNE7-000EHAC@ocean2.msrc.sunysb.edu>; from kemp@ocean2.msrc.sunysb.edu on Tue, Nov 24, 1998 at 01:10:50PM -0500
References: <m0ziNE7-000EHAC@ocean2.msrc.sunysb.edu>
Message-ID: <19981125113918.C4664@rocher-d-1.hpl.hp.com>

On Tue, Nov 24, 1998 at 01:10:50PM -0500, kemp at ocean2.msrc.sunysb.edu wrote:
> |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------
>  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lotoc" ... failed: transport pipe:
>  child returned status EX_1 (1)
> |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------

do you have cofigure mailman with --mail-gid nogroup --cgi-gid www-data?
what do you have into /var/log/smail/logfile about this request?

> I have seen something like this addressed once before in 
> the archives but for a different system configuration.  The 
> solution there was to alter the EXIM director and 
> transport files.  Can anyone explain how I would do this 
> for a Debian/smail based system?

modify /etc/smail/directors with:
# mailman aliases - search for alias expansions stored in a database
mailman:
        driver=aliasfile,
        -nobody,
        sender_okay,
        owner=postmaster;
        file=/home/mailman/aliases,
        owngroups=mailman,
        modemask=002,
        proto=lsearch,
								
 David.



From davroc at hplb.hpl.hp.com  Wed Nov 25 12:48:24 1998
From: davroc at hplb.hpl.hp.com (David Rocher)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:48:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman name
Message-ID: <19981125114824.D4664@rocher-d-1.hpl.hp.com>

There is a product MailMan for Endymion Corporation they clains
`have been in use all over the world since 1996.'
	http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/
In case of name conflict...

 David.



From John at list.org  Wed Nov 25 19:03:40 1998
From: John at list.org (John Viega)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:03:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman name
In-Reply-To: <19981125114824.D4664@rocher-d-1.hpl.hp.com>; from David Rocher on Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 11:48:24AM +0000
References: <19981125114824.D4664@rocher-d-1.hpl.hp.com>
Message-ID: <19981125100340.A25111@viega.org>

That gets pointed out every couple of months, but it's not a mailing
list manager, so I've never been worried about it.

John

On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 11:48:24AM +0000, David Rocher wrote:
> There is a product MailMan for Endymion Corporation they clains
> `have been in use all over the world since 1996.'
> 	http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/
> In case of name conflict...
> 
>  David.
> 
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