From allen at gist.net.au  Wed Dec  1 00:09:03 1999
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:39:03 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HOWTO - EXTERNAL Archiver 
In-Reply-To: Message from Anton Gyllenberg <anton@mymlan.lifix.fi> 
   of "Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:32:59 +0200." <E11spH1-0006Yg-00@mymlan.lifix.fi> 
Message-ID: <199911302309.JAA11760@harper.gist.net.au>

> Could someone tell me the (obvious?) reason why list management software
> needs to have external archiver capabilities? Is it not more natural to
> let the archiver archive any mail sent to a specific mail address? Then
> you just add the archive's address to the list.
> 
My reasons are simple.

I used to use Smartlist, which I had working quite well with MHonarc (archiver)

I *know* MHonarc very well, and after many days trying to format the output of the pages that pipermail gives me, I came to the conclusion that mhonarc is more flexible in it's configuration, to do what I require.

For somewone with simple requirements, mailman with pipermail is an EXCELLENT choice, but for more control over formatting the list archives, I found MHonarc gives me everything I need.

Now, I have 2 simple tools to use, mailman, and mhonarc.

my 2c

Allen
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From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Wed Dec  1 00:30:37 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:30:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911291221520.10364-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911301814560.13248-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

nevermind, i figured it out.  for some reason, i had to manually remove
the ~mailman/locks/<site>* files.

On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Todd Pfaff wrote:

> mailman 1.1
> python 1.5.2
> solaris 2.6
> 
> can anyone tell me what this traceback from the newlist command means?
> newlist used to work fine on this mailman installation.  not sure when it
> stopped working or why.
> 
> myhost% newlist testlist pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca password
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist", line 146, in ?
>     raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv))
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist", line 93, in main
>     newlist.Create(list_name, owner_mail, pw)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 728, in Create
>     self.Lock()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1372, in Lock
>     self.__lock.lock()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock
>     os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/usr/local/mailman/locks/<site>.lock.myhost.11867'
> 
> --
> Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
> Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
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> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Dec  1 00:38:29 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:38:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911301443390.25409-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <14404.24565.971070.154861@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:

    PH> Where is the admin password stored for a mailing list?

It's stored in the list's config.db database, or in the live MailList
object on the `password' attribute:

% python -i bin/withlist stage
Loading list: stage (unlocked)
>>> m.password
'NO88Mo9aSdsyc'


Note that the password is crypt()d (usually, unless your Python
doesn't have the crypt module, in which case it's md5'd).

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Dec  1 00:39:39 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:39:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] <sigh> Another problem!
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911301645230.542-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
	<199911302237.QAA21207@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <14404.24635.842387.985599@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "CL" == Christopher Lindsey <lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu> writes:

    CL> I've noticed that on some of the new lists that I've created
    CL> the password that was mailed out has not been valid, but I
    CL> haven't been able to track it down.

Hmm, interesting, I've never seen this.  Could it be due to having
multiple Python installations, one with the crypt module and one
without?  Should we always just use md5?

-Barry



From dkc at webtrafix.com  Wed Dec  1 00:58:05 1999
From: dkc at webtrafix.com (Dennis)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:58:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error When creating new List
Message-ID: <3844648C.832FF8BD@webtrafix.com>

Hello-

I recently just installed mailman and went to create the test list with
the following commands and received the following error.

[root mailman]# /home/mailman/bin/newlist
Enter the name of the list: tester45
Enter the email of the person running the list: dkc at webtrafix.com
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 146, in ?
    raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv))
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 83, in main
    list_pw = getpass.getpass("Initial %s password: " % list_name)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/getpass.py", line 42, in getpass
    termios.tcsetattr(fd, TERMIOS.TCSADRAIN, old)
termios.error: (22, 'Invalid argument')

The install went in very clean. I am able to view the html files so the
GIDs are set OK, but I am unable to create any lists because of this
error.

 Any help is appreciated.

   Thank you,
        Dennis




From rsr at inorganic.org  Wed Dec  1 02:03:51 1999
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:03:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove X-Mailman-Version and List-ID
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.9911301702001.564-100000@fold.inorganic.org>

I've got some users who are clamoring for not having these added to our
email as their client shows these lines and they'd prefer not to see more
header lines (they also objected to 'Sender:' and 'X-BeenThere', but I said
these were necessary for the standard and they were willing to have them
stay).  

As far as I see it, there's not much need for these lines.  Is that
correct? 

Is there any way to remove these lines?

-roy




From pjh at mccc.edu  Wed Dec  1 02:27:21 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:27:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
In-Reply-To: <14404.24565.971070.154861@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911302026450.5501-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:
> 
>     PH> Where is the admin password stored for a mailing list?
> 
> It's stored in the list's config.db database, or in the live MailList
> object on the `password' attribute:
> 
> % python -i bin/withlist stage
> Loading list: stage (unlocked)
> >>> m.password
> 'NO88Mo9aSdsyc'
> 
> Note that the password is crypt()d (usually, unless your Python
> doesn't have the crypt module, in which case it's md5'd).

Is there a way to change it to a null password with a hex
editor?

Thx,
Pete




From pjh at mccc.edu  Wed Dec  1 02:24:44 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:24:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911301814560.13248-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911302023530.5501-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Todd Pfaff wrote:

> nevermind, i figured it out.  for some reason, i had to manually remove
> the ~mailman/locks/<site>* files.

What are the files in locks for ? Who should own them?

Thx,
Pete




From roche at up-front.co.za  Wed Dec  1 05:30:43 1999
From: roche at up-front.co.za (RC Compaan)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:30:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing the html
In-Reply-To: <19991130155138.02D231CE3A@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <000001bf3bb4$d4678790$0102a8c0@roche.up-front.co.za>

This is a bit problematic if you want a Enlish and a translated list on the
same server.  If <MM-variable-name> holds essential mailman functionality
and you translate these <MM-..> tags in the source this will reflect on all
lists.  Shouldn't one make these tags more list specific?

Roch? Compaan

> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:34:03 -0800
> To: Mailman-Users at python.org
> From: Michael Sweeney <sweeney at projectcool.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] editing the html
> du>
>
> Depends on what modifications you want to make. The basic template files
> are in the MAILMAN-DIR/templates directory if you want to change the
> interface pages for all new lists. You can edit them and use the
> <MM-variable-name> tags that will keep the essential mailman
> functionality.
> For existing lists, or changes specific to a particular list, you can use
> the "Edit the HTML for the public list pages" link from the admin pages.
>
> If you are wanting to change the content and/or formatting of what is
> expanded from the <MM-...> tags, you have to get into the Python source
> code. Depending on which tag you want to change, you have to look through
> the source to find the specific tag. But remember that if you change the
> sources, the changes are likely to be lost on upgrade or re-installation.
>
> Michael
>
>




From speedy at WebBios.com.au  Wed Dec  1 06:37:51 1999
From: speedy at WebBios.com.au (Gonzalo Servat)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:37:51 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Regarding admindb
Message-ID: <3844B42F.88277794@WebBios.com.au>

Hi All.

I have a quick question about the "approval" page.

If you have a list set on moderated, then when you send an email, it
will wait for approval.

I noticed that it gives you the URL to go to, to either approve, discard
or reject.

It would be quite easy for anyone to send spam to the list, then guess
the URL of the approval page (since its usually
www.domain.com/admindb/<listname> and approve it themselves since no
password is required.

Any ideas on how I could enable a password setting there? (other than
making a .htaccess file.. i was hoping there's an easier way)

Thank you.

Regards,

Gonzalo.





From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  2 06:56:33 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:56:33 -3000 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Regarding admindb
In-Reply-To: <3844B42F.88277794@WebBios.com.au> from "Gonzalo Servat" at Dec 1, 99 04:37:51 pm
Message-ID: <199912010556.XAA23802@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From speedy at WebBios.com.au  Wed Dec  1 07:09:42 1999
From: speedy at WebBios.com.au (Gonzalo Servat)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:09:42 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Regarding admindb
References: <199912010556.XAA23802@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <3844BBA6.64A447CD@WebBios.com.au>

Christopher Lindsey wrote:

> > It would be quite easy for anyone to send spam to the list, then guess
> > the URL of the approval page (since its usually
> > www.domain.com/admindb/<listname> and approve it themselves since no
> > password is required.
>
> Ummm, mine requires a password.
>
> > Any ideas on how I could enable a password setting there? (other than
> > making a .htaccess file.. i was hoping there's an easier way)
>
> It could be using the same cookie that you used for list maintenance
> functions as authentication.  Try quitting your browser and restarting
> it, then go directly to the admindb page.  It should come up with the
> standard password authentication window.

Ahh you're right... I tried quitting Netscape and coming back in, etc, but
it kept the cookie... but I tried on another system and it asked me for the
password.

Thanks for that.

I'm still wondering why every time I get the List Administrative Password
screen, right at the top it says "Error Decoding Authorization Cookie", is
that normal?

Thanks.

Gonzalo.




From richarde at eskom.co.za  Wed Dec  1 07:55:50 1999
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:55:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailer
Message-ID: <s844e2a0.089@eskom.co.za>

>On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:45:45 -0700 
>Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> wrote:
>
>> What is the best Mailer agent to use with Mailman. Right now I am
>> using sendmail and it seems to be fine.  
>
>Sendmail works, but does not perform well.  It is a very
>(unnecessarily) complex piece of software which has a long history
>of security problem which encourage me to avoid it.  Other possible
>choices for an MTA enclude Exim, Postfix, and QMail.

I have been lurking and listening to this advocacy debate for a while now and have stayed clear of the debate up till now.

Just some hard facts to set the record straight:

I run around 150000 e-mail messages a day through a single mail spool machine. This machine is configured with 3 virtual interfaces (each running a different configuration). I handle around 15 domains on this machine. Spam filters and blackhole lists are configured to the max. At any one time there are around 300 mail processes on this machine with the machine never going under 95% idle!

Another machine (P133!) handles all my mailing lists on mailman. This machine has around 30 lists, with around 10 with over 3000 members each. Many of the lists are automagically generated each evening using sync_members from our HR database system.

I have never had a performance problem or a security violation in the last 5 years this setup has been running. It also never falls over and never needs maintenance.

BTW, it is all running on sendmail 8.9.3

I have looked at the other offerings and have not found any other mailer that even comes close to what sendmail can do for you. My suggestion to those that moan about complexity is to stay away from UNIX and go to NT. Also, it must be noted that every UNIX that I have ever worked with comes standard with sendmail, so you are bound to discover security problems if 90% of the mailers run your software. The others are just lucky as their mailers only have a small number of users compared to sendmail.

My 2c worth, and no mail will be answered. Thanks.


--
Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za




From hniksic at iskon.hr  Wed Dec  1 10:34:49 1999
From: hniksic at iskon.hr (Hrvoje Niksic)
Date: 01 Dec 1999 10:34:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Support for virtual domains
Message-ID: <9t9903fgg1y.fsf@mraz.iskon.hr>

Does mailman support virtual domains?

The feature I have in mind is that mailman is being run on a mail
server that handles mail for several domains.  The domains can have
their own mailing lists, which should look as if they are run from
these domains.

Of course, the lists will function either way, but what we need is
that the communication between the server and the user (response from
`help' command, etc.) look like it's coming from our client's domain.

Is there a way to cleanly set up such a situation?

In Majordomo, we hacked it up by using different majordomo
configurations (the "whoami" setting) for different domains, but
that's sort of kludge.  Does Mailman support a nice solution for this?



From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Dec  1 16:38:04 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] backup mailman machine
Message-ID: <384540DB.3C539878@isu.edu>

Most of you probably backup up your Mailman machine  and save the
archive on tape or on some other related machine.

What I have attempted to do is create two mailman machines, identical
hardware and software with the same lists on both keeping them in sync.
When one goes down I can use the other, of course both machine have a
different host name, but I use a CNAME (configured in the bind tables)
to keep the same address for users to use their mailing list without
having to switch to a different SMTP Host Name if the primary Mailman
machine goes down. Only problem when I send out messages to the lists,
the To: header field always displays the SMTP host name  not the CNAME
when the message is received. I have tryed using  Masqurading rules in
Red Hat 6.0 Sendmail configuration, but it does not work, which is
below. Has everyone tried this sort of thing, or  does anyone know a
solution to this problem? Why my masquerade  rules will not work?

# Masquerading rules
S1
R$*<@mm1.isu.edu>       $@ $1 < @ maillist.isu.edu>
R$*<@mm1.isu.edu.>      $@ $1 < @ maillist.isu.edu.>

--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From pjh at mccc.edu  Wed Dec  1 16:55:30 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:55:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912011052520.21879-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

Huh?  What do I do about these messages? Do they occur
because "make update" failed with

Updating mailing list:  et124
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 214, in ?
    dolist(list)
  File "bin/update", line 22, in dolist
    l = MailList(list)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

Thanks,
Pete

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 03:27:04 -0500
From: Cron Daemon <root at saturn.mccc.edu>
To: mailman at listserv.mccc.edu
Subject: Cron <mailman at saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

List et124 has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/et124
List hiltonia has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/hiltonia
List mcp has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/mcp
List njccasst has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njccasst
List njccpres has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njccpres
List epo has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/epo
List aoagene has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/aoagene
List eli97 has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/eli97
List njcfs has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njcfs
List aoadl has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/aoadl
List vision has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/vision
List jpc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/jpc
List tvc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/tvc
List account-list has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/account-list
List nynjpaeta has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/nynjpaeta




From travisll at comfedcu.org  Wed Dec  1 23:00:11 1999
From: travisll at comfedcu.org (Travis Llewellyn)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:00:11 -0600 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error GZIPING Archives
Message-ID: <FFAA3A14D8A0D211B1A000104B2B3DFEFBD8@MAIL>

Can someone tell me why I am getting these messages at night?  I know why it
is running but I can't figure out why it fails.


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in main
    time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt')
AttributeError: strptime



Return-Path: <owner-mailman-users at python.org>
Delivered-To: mailman-users at dinsdale.python.org
Received: from python.org (parrot.python.org [132.151.1.90])
	by dinsdale.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AD51CD1A
	for <mailman-users at dinsdale.python.org>; Wed,  1 Dec 1999 17:02:19 -0500 (EST)
Received: from mail.comfedcu.org ([209.184.133.129])
	by python.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA26343
	for <mailman-users at python.org>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:02:16 -0500 (EST)
Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
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	id <XBG8AQ08>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:52:38 -0600
Message-ID: <FFAA3A14D8A0D211B1A000104B2B3DFEFBD6 at MAIL>
From: Travis Llewellyn <travisll at comfedcu.org>
To: "'mailman_users at python.org'" <mailman_users at python.org>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:52:11 -0600 
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Archiving
Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
Errors-To: mailman-users-admin at python.org
X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental)
Precedence: bulk
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>

I am getting this error message at night when cron tried to archive the
archives.

Any help would be appreciated!

Travis

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in main
    time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt')
AttributeError: strptime



From speedy at WebBios.com.au  Wed Dec  1 23:13:17 1999
From: speedy at WebBios.com.au (Gonzalo Servat)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:13:17 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named paths ??
Message-ID: <38459D7D.33908828@WebBios.com.au>

Hi All.

Whenever I try to execute a script in the bin directory of Mailman, it
gives me this error:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./list_members", line 56, in ?
       import paths
ImportError: No module named paths

Any idea how I can install this module?

Thanks.

Gonzalo.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Dec  1 23:13:48 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 14:13:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Regarding admindb 
In-Reply-To: Message from Gonzalo Servat <speedy@WebBios.com.au> 
   of "Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:37:51 +1100." <3844B42F.88277794@WebBios.com.au> 
Message-ID: <E11tI0S-0003MH-00@koala.kanga.nu>

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:37:51 +1100 
Gonzalo Servat <speedy at WebBios.com.au> wrote:

> It would be quite easy for anyone to send spam to the list, then
> guess the URL of the approval page (since its usually
> www.domain.com/admindb/<listname> and approve it themselves since
> no password is required.

A password is required unless you already have a cookie from a
previous authentication (which hasn't timed out yet).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
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From speedy at WebBios.com.au  Wed Dec  1 23:19:39 1999
From: speedy at WebBios.com.au (Gonzalo Servat)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:19:39 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Regarding admindb
References: <E11tI0S-0003MH-00@koala.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <38459EFB.AE2102C4@WebBios.com.au>

Yep. I forgot I entered the password beforehand for another task and the
cookie hasn't timed out :)

Thanks.

claw at kanga.nu wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:37:51 +1100
> Gonzalo Servat <speedy at WebBios.com.au> wrote:
>
> > It would be quite easy for anyone to send spam to the list, then
> > guess the URL of the approval page (since its usually
> > www.domain.com/admindb/<listname> and approve it themselves since
> > no password is required.
>
> A password is required unless you already have a cookie from a
> previous authentication (which hasn't timed out yet).
>
> --
> J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Dec  1 23:44:12 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:44:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error GZIPING Archives
In-Reply-To: <FFAA3A14D8A0D211B1A000104B2B3DFEFBD8@MAIL>; from Travis Llewellyn on Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 04:00:11PM -0600
References: <FFAA3A14D8A0D211B1A000104B2B3DFEFBD8@MAIL>
Message-ID: <19991201174412.D11103@xcski.com>

Quoting Travis Llewellyn (travisll at comfedcu.org):
> Can someone tell me why I am getting these messages at night?  I know why it
> is running but I can't figure out why it fails.
> 
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in main
>     time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt')
> AttributeError: strptime

Because you're using Python 1.5.1 instead of 1.5.2.  If you're using RedHat
Linux, you can get an rpm for 1.5.2 from any RedHat 6.1 ftp site, and install
it even on older versions of RedHat.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Dec  1 23:59:39 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 14:59:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailer 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Richard Ellerbrock" <richarde@eskom.co.za> 
   of "Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:55:50 +0200." <s844e2a0.089@eskom.co.za> 
Message-ID: <E11tIip-0003T7-00@koala.kanga.nu>

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 08:55:50 +0200 
Richard Ellerbrock <richarde at eskom.co.za> wrote:

> I have been lurking and listening to this advocacy debate for a
> while now and have stayed clear of the debate up till now.

<bow>

I should probably give some credentials here.  I make my living as a
programmer and systems engineer.  I've built ISPs.  I've built
corporate interanets.  I've also programmed them, which is what I
prefer to do (less politics).  Client lists are available on
request.

> Just some hard facts to set the record straight:

> I run around 150000 e-mail messages a day through a single mail
> spool machine. This machine is configured with 3 virtual
> interfaces (each running a different configuration). I handle
> around 15 domains on this machine. Spam filters and blackhole
> lists are configured to the max. At any one time there are around
> 300 mail processes on this machine with the machine never going
> under 95% idle!

> Another machine (P133!) handles all my mailing lists on
> mailman. This machine has around 30 lists, with around 10 with
> over 3000 members each. Many of the lists are automagically
> generated each evening using sync_members from our HR database
> system.

Good stuff.

> I have never had a performance problem or a security violation in
> the last 5 years this setup has been running. It also never falls
> over and never needs maintenance.

> BTW, it is all running on sendmail 8.9.3

I suffered thru the Sendmail patch of the day, even patch of the
hour some years ago.  They were non-trivial patches.  The holes and
bugs they fixed were non-trivial.  Few to none of them shouold have
been encessary in the first place and certainly not for a program
that was already quite old.  Sendmail itself has a very long and
chequered history of root compromises ranging from the Morris worm
on up to the present day (I spent the weekend a couple weeks ago
helping to recover a site from a sendmail-based root compromise (he
didn't upgrade).  I would have preferred having my weekend to
myself.  Sendmail itself is a horribly ugly piece of code that has
long outlived its original design or intent.

Quite simply, and with the very small exception of those very very
few sites that have to do particularly grevious header re-writing
(and even then its rarely required), I don't and wouldn't recommend
anybody use sendmail anywhere.  It is both unnecessary and has good
even compelling reasons to do otherwise.  There just isn't any
reason to run Sendmail anymore when better, more capable, faster,
more secure and very well proven servers are freely available.

Is there any reason to still use coal fired automobiles?  Then why
use sendmail?

There is not a single large volume commercial mail site that runs
sendmail.  Not one.   Check for yourself.  

For those interested my current clients are Critical Path.  They
handle all the email for FedEX, Exodus, AT&T, 3Com, Auther Anderson,
ICQ, Lucent, NASA, and others -- and use QMail.  I'm not sure what
their average mail loads are, but I'd be surprised if they were any
lower than my last client at ~1.5Million per hour (also QMail
users).

> I have looked at the other offerings and have not found any other
> mailer that even comes close to what sendmail can do for you. 

Can you give a specific?

The only claims to fame I'm aware of that sendmail retains are a few
particularly grevious and invasive forms of header and envelope
re-writing -- and in fact Exim and and I think Postfix can now both
do that and more (haven't checked QMail), so there's no wins there.

> My suggestion to those that moan about complexity is to stay away
> from UNIX and go to NT. 

Sendmail's CF is daunting -- even moreso because it is needless.
SMail, Exim, WMail, Postfix and half a dozen others have
demonstrated that.  

I don't mid comlexity, but I'm not a fan of unjustified complexity,
most especially when that complxity is in the form of a required
system service that runs as a privileged user and therefor
potentially (in the event of a compromise) gives unfettered root
access to my systems.  No thanks.

No thanks.  Even chroot jails (which is where I run my MTAs) aren't
secure against a root compromise.

The goal is simplicity, not bolting on yet more levels of kludge.
Email systems in their nature are not inherently complex.  They
don't need to be and shouldn't be.  The only complexities present
there are ones we people add due to the fact that we're tried to cut
corners somwhere else and now have to pay for it in the email
system.  In fact email systems, again by their very nature, tend to
be extremely simple, even trivial in structure.

There's no reason an MTA shouldn't express and embody that
simplicity.  Somehow, sendmail doesn't.

> Also, it must be noted that every UNIX that I have ever worked
> with comes standard with sendmail, so you are bound to discover
> security problems if 90% of the mailers run your software. 

That may have been a valid argument 10 years ago in sendmail's
favour.  It isn't any more.  QMail and Exim in particular have large
well established communities of users and have had for years.
Postfix is rapidly gaining ground there, but hasn't (yet) matched
their scope.

FWIW Debian's default MTA is Exim.  

> The others are just lucky as their mailers only have a small
> number of users compared to sendmail.

You've peaked my curiosity here.  I suspect that while you may once
have been correct, you are aren't any more.  My bet is that more
email is handled by non-sendmail MTA's per day than sendmail.  There
may be more sendmail systems out there (if only due to the fact that
it is the default on commercial Unix systems), but that's not what
I'm looking at: Volume of mail handled.

Consider the impact of Aol, Hotmail, EGroups, CoolList, and every
last one of the larger ISP (half million or more users) not using
semdmail.

I should run some header analysis stats...

> My 2c worth, and no mail will be answered. Thanks.

Thanks.

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From john at VoTiV.com  Thu Dec  2 00:17:33 1999
From: john at VoTiV.com (John Banas)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:17:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9912011813330.18333-100000@top4.domainregistry.net>

I've setup Mailman but I can't seem to subscribe my list. I don't have
subscribe directory. I created one and it still didnt work. What did I
miss...<G>

Thanks.

--
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tracking and resolution of this issue.)

thanks
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From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Dec  2 00:17:50 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:17:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] find member command
Message-ID: <3845AC9E.854F6FC1@isu.edu>

Two questions I been trying to upgrade from mailman 1.0 to mailman1.1  I
untarred the file in a tmp directory, then configure  the
mm_cfg.py.dist.in to be the same as my current one in 1.0. Then I run
"make install"     and I get this  error  ERROR MAKE: *** NO RULE TO
MAKE TARGET `INSTALL'.  STOP. It can't find the target directory to do
the upgrade but it should because its the default  /home/mailman. Are
these the right steps I am taking to do the upgrade? Do you have to do
"./configure" after you have untarred it first then do "make install"
for the upgrade or bin/update. I must be missing a step somewhere for
the upgrade.

Also how do you use the regular expressions for the find_member. I have
tried using this program with mailman 1.0 and it dont find anything.
Here's some example how I have tried to use it.

find_members -x wheakory
find_members -x [a-z]
find_members -x /\S/   or [\S]


--
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Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Dec  2 00:49:49 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:49:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] find member command
In-Reply-To: <3845AC9E.854F6FC1@isu.edu>; from Kory Wheatley on Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 04:17:50PM -0700
References: <3845AC9E.854F6FC1@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <19991201184949.A1112@xcski.com>

Quoting Kory Wheatley (wheakory at isu.edu):
> Two questions I been trying to upgrade from mailman 1.0 to mailman1.1  I
> these the right steps I am taking to do the upgrade? Do you have to do
> "./configure" after you have untarred it first then do "make install"
> for the upgrade or bin/update. I must be missing a step somewhere for
> the upgrade.

Of course you have to do a configure first - configure creates Makefiles!

-- 
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SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Dec  2 00:53:14 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:53:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailer
In-Reply-To: <E11tIip-0003T7-00@koala.kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 02:59:39PM -0800
References: <richarde@eskom.co.za> <E11tIip-0003T7-00@koala.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <19991201185314.B1112@xcski.com>

Quoting claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu):
> For those interested my current clients are Critical Path.  They
> handle all the email for FedEX, Exodus, AT&T, 3Com, Auther Anderson,
> ICQ, Lucent, NASA, and others -- and use QMail.  I'm not sure what
> their average mail loads are, but I'd be surprised if they were any
> lower than my last client at ~1.5Million per hour (also QMail
> users).

So does Dan B. flame them and call them assholes when *they* report bugs too?
Or is that only on Usenet?

> You've peaked my curiosity here.  I suspect that while you may once

(Irrelevant aside: the word is "piqued")


-- 
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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Dec  2 01:24:29 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:24:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailer 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Tomblin <ptomblin@xcski.com> 
   of "Wed, 01 Dec 1999 18:53:14 EST." <19991201185314.B1112@xcski.com> 
Message-ID: <E11tK2v-0003jh-00@koala.kanga.nu>

On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:53:14 -0500 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com> wrote:

> Quoting claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu):
>> For those interested my current clients are Critical Path.  They
>> handle all the email for FedEX, Exodus, AT&T, 3Com, Auther
>> Anderson, ICQ, Lucent, NASA, and others -- and use QMail.  I'm
>> not sure what their average mail loads are, but I'd be surprised
>> if they were any lower than my last client at ~1.5Million per
>> hour (also QMail users).

> So does Dan B. flame them and call them assholes when *they*
> report bugs too?  Or is that only on Usenet?

Truth to tell, I don't know.  I just ignore him.  I decided to have
very little to do with Dan about 5 - 6 years ago, and re-affirmed
that opinion with his behaviour on BugTraq and other places when
Postfix came out.

>> You've peaked my curiosity here.  I suspect that while you may
>> once

> (Irrelevant aside: the word is "piqued")

<blush>

Damned straight.  Thanks.   


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From yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au  Thu Dec  2 02:30:07 1999
From: yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au (Chris Albone)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:30:07 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Regarding admindb
References: <199912010556.XAA23802@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> <3844BBA6.64A447CD@WebBios.com.au>
Message-ID: <3845CB9F.E7702BEC@gmp.usyd.edu.au>

> Ahh you're right... I tried quitting Netscape and coming back in, etc, but
> it kept the cookie... but I tried on another system and it asked me for the
> password.
>
> Thanks for that.
>
> I'm still wondering why every time I get the List Administrative Password
> screen, right at the top it says "Error Decoding Authorization Cookie", is
> that normal?

This problem often arises when one is accessing the web via a proxy or proxy
array. Specifically, the mailman SecurityManager  sets a cookie in your
browser whose value is dependent upon the ip address of the source of the
request. If you are accessing the web through a proxy array, then it is
possible that the requests come from different ip addresses (ie. the address
of one or another of the proxy servers). When mailman compares the cookie that
it has set with the new request, it will notice that the request has come from
a different ip and return the error that you have seen.

My solution was to stop mailman using the ip address when setting the cookie.

A question.. What is wrong with simply using boring web security instead of
fighting an uphill battle with cookies?

peace
Chris

>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Gonzalo.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 06:04:03 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:04:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] find member command
References: <3845AC9E.854F6FC1@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <14405.64963.136744.577953@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "KW" == Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> writes:

    KW> Also how do you use the regular expressions for the
    KW> find_member. I have tried using this program with mailman 1.0
    KW> and it dont find anything.  Here's some example how I have
    KW> tried to use it.

    | find_members -x wheakory
    | find_members -x [a-z]
    | find_members -x /\S/   or [\S]

Yikes!  These won't do what you want because -x expects an argument
(also, the script is called `find_member', singular).  In the first
example, you're trying to exclude a list called `wheakory', which I
bet you don't have :).  Try something like:

% find_member -l mylist wheakory

The regular expression argument is specifically a Python regex (which
should be close enough to Perl5 regexs for you Perlies :).  For more
information do a `find_member -h'.

General note: -h on any of the bin scripts should print out usage
information.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 06:05:23 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:05:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named paths ??
References: <38459D7D.33908828@WebBios.com.au>
Message-ID: <14405.65043.831176.72172@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "GS" == Gonzalo Servat <speedy at WebBios.com.au> writes:

    GS> Hi All.

    GS> Whenever I try to execute a script in the bin directory of
    GS> Mailman, it gives me this error:

    GS> Traceback (innermost last):
    |   File "./list_members", line 56, in ?
    |        import paths
    GS> ImportError: No module named paths

    GS> Any idea how I can install this module?

You probably didn't install Mailman correctly.  Please read the
INSTALL file for instructions.



From speedy at WebBios.com.au  Thu Dec  2 06:14:40 1999
From: speedy at WebBios.com.au (Gonzalo Servat)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:14:40 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named paths ??
References: <38459D7D.33908828@WebBios.com.au> <14405.65043.831176.72172@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <38460040.534089CF@WebBios.com.au>

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:

> >>>>> "GS" == Gonzalo Servat <speedy at WebBios.com.au> writes:
>
>     GS> Hi All.
>
>     GS> Whenever I try to execute a script in the bin directory of
>     GS> Mailman, it gives me this error:
>
>     GS> Traceback (innermost last):
>     |   File "./list_members", line 56, in ?
>     |        import paths
>     GS> ImportError: No module named paths
>
>     GS> Any idea how I can install this module?
>
> You probably didn't install Mailman correctly.  Please read the
> INSTALL file for instructions.

I fully read the INSTALL file and followed the instructions. It's just
strange because Mailman is working fine.. it's just any script in the
bin/ directory that I try to run gives me that error.

Thanks.

Gonzalo.




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 06:29:00 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:29:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Support for virtual domains
References: <9t9903fgg1y.fsf@mraz.iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <14406.924.431625.488367@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic at iskon.hr> writes:

    Hrvoje> Does mailman support virtual domains?

Yes it should.  I will say that I don't personally run Mailman on my
alternate domains (e.g. not on jpython.org), so there may be some
rough edges.  I'm interested in hearing your war stories so we can
make it work better.

    Hrvoje> The feature I have in mind is that mailman is being run on
    Hrvoje> a mail server that handles mail for several domains.  The
    Hrvoje> domains can have their own mailing lists, which should
    Hrvoje> look as if they are run from these domains.

    Hrvoje> Of course, the lists will function either way, but what we
    Hrvoje> need is that the communication between the server and the
    Hrvoje> user (response from `help' command, etc.) look like it's
    Hrvoje> coming from our client's domain.

    Hrvoje> Is there a way to cleanly set up such a situation?

Take a look at the host_name configuration variable (under "General"
admin options).  Also VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW in Mailman/Defaults.py.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 06:32:15 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:32:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist problem
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911301814560.13248-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
	<Pine.GSO.4.10.9911302023530.5501-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <14406.1119.577099.592807@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:

    PH> What are the files in locks for ? Who should own them?

Mailman uses lock files to (help) insure data integrity.  E.g. only
one process can have a lock on a list object at a time, so the
config.db file won't get corrupted.

Doesn't matter who owns them as long as GID mailman can create,
delete, and write them.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 06:36:22 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:36:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
References: <14404.24565.971070.154861@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<Pine.GSO.4.10.9911302026450.5501-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <14406.1366.320750.211890@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:

    PH> Is there a way to change it to a null password with a hex
    PH> editor?

I'm sure there is if you've got a punishment fetish :)

Seriously though, if you want to change a list's password from the
command line, the best way to do that is to use the bin/withlist
script.  Use the -l option to lock the file, set the m.password
attribute to the empty string, and then do m.Save() and an m.Unlock()
before exiting.

Oh, maybe the above is painful after all for those who are new to
Python.  Sorry!

-Barry



From mabus at plato.nebulanet.net  Thu Dec  2 07:29:35 1999
From: mabus at plato.nebulanet.net (mabus)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:29:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Linux hardlinks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912020126210.13641-100000@plato.nebulanet.net>

I'm getting the following errors reported by the cgi scripts.



[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
    logger = StampedLogger('error',
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in
    __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')



I've read the README.LINUX and it seems to me that this is the problem.
But if it is, how do I fix it? How do I turn restrictive hardlinks off?
I've no clue. 


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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 06:45:15 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:45:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove X-Mailman-Version and List-ID
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.9911301702001.564-100000@fold.inorganic.org>
Message-ID: <14406.1899.51233.270933@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "RR" == Roy Rapoport <rsr at inorganic.org> writes:

    RR> I've got some users who are clamoring for not having these
    RR> added to our email as their client shows these lines and
    RR> they'd prefer not to see more header lines (they also objected
    RR> to 'Sender:' and 'X-BeenThere', but I said these were
    RR> necessary for the standard and they were willing to have them
    RR> stay).

    RR> As far as I see it, there's not much need for these lines.  Is
    RR> that correct?

    RR> Is there any way to remove these lines?

In the new codebase, you could easily comment out those lines from
Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py.  I'll let you find them yourself with
the 1.1 codebase. :)

Note that X-BeenThere is essential to stop mail loops.  My MTA puts
Sender: headers in, Mailman just munges them to something more
appropriate for the outgoing message.

X-Mailman-Version is arguably gratuitous, but it has been extremely
helpful for me when people forward messages posted through a Mailman
system.   List-ID is a proposed or draft (can't remember) IETF
standard, along with a bunch of other List-* headers we don't (yet)
add.

I'd suggest leaving those headers alone and helping your users figure
out how to get their MUAs to suppress these lines.  I'd be surprised
if they can't be easily hidden; most mail readers let you do this
don't they?

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 06:46:03 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:46:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error When creating new List
References: <3844648C.832FF8BD@webtrafix.com>
Message-ID: <14406.1947.661564.260720@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "D" == Dennis  <dkc at webtrafix.com> writes:

    D> The install went in very clean. I am able to view the html
    D> files so the GIDs are set OK, but I am unable to create any
    D> lists because of this error.

What version of Python do you have?  You may have to upgrade to Python
1.5.2.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 06:58:18 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:58:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named paths ??
References: <38459D7D.33908828@WebBios.com.au>
	<14405.65043.831176.72172@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<38460040.534089CF@WebBios.com.au>
Message-ID: <14406.2682.245073.857911@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "GS" == Gonzalo Servat <speedy at WebBios.com.au> writes:

    GS> I fully read the INSTALL file and followed the
    GS> instructions. It's just strange because Mailman is working
    GS> fine.. it's just any script in the bin/ directory that I try
    GS> to run gives me that error.

Okay, I apologize (it's late here :).  There should be a paths.py file
in the bin dir, and that should be importable by any of the bin
scripts.  Not sure what's going on...

-Barry



From granzow at gmx.de  Thu Dec  2 12:10:52 1999
From: granzow at gmx.de (Dr. Joachim Granzow)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:10:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] International
Message-ID: <009201bf3cb5$e5ba4440$290ac8c8@granzow>

Hi,

is it possible to translate *all* mailman-texts into another language?

The html-editing of the infopage provides some possibilities, but there
still remain numerous texts that are automatically added in English
language.

Jochen





From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 14:26:59 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:26:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] International
References: <009201bf3cb5$e5ba4440$290ac8c8@granzow>
Message-ID: <14406.29603.65297.620260@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JG" == Joachim Granzow <granzow at gmx.de> writes:

    JG> is it possible to translate *all* mailman-texts into another
    JG> language?

    JG> The html-editing of the infopage provides some possibilities,
    JG> but there still remain numerous texts that are automatically
    JG> added in English language.

It's not really possible yet, but stay tuned!



From CHAMPETH at e-i.com  Thu Dec  2 14:33:24 1999
From: CHAMPETH at e-i.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thi=E9baut_Champenier?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: International
In-Reply-To: <14406.29603.65297.620260@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 08:26:59AM -0500
References: <009201bf3cb5$e5ba4440$290ac8c8@granzow> <14406.29603.65297.620260@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19991202143324.C22895@firework.eid-bad.e-i.com>

On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 08:26:59AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "JG" == Joachim Granzow <granzow at gmx.de> writes:
> 
>     JG> is it possible to translate *all* mailman-texts into another
>     JG> language?

> It's not really possible yet, but stay tuned!

For sure we do!  I almost switched to Sympa only for this reason.  You
know, in some country, people really _love_ when the programs talks to
them in their own language :-)

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From allen at gist.net.au  Thu Dec  2 15:23:21 1999
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:53:21 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Requests
Message-ID: <199912021423.AAA03186@harper.gist.net.au>

Global Subscriber Passwords - if you subscribe to one list on the host, your 
password is valid for the next list...

I would like the ability to be able to subscribe to all lists (or some of the 
lists) on a host in one go, so that you basically have a list of available 
lists, that you just click a check box for each list and bulk subscribe the 
one user to as many lists as necessary. (my coherency is low due to lack of 
sleep)

This would allow a user to come to one page, and subscribe to several lists at 
once, without having to subscribe manually to every list he wants.


Allen
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From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Thu Dec  2 15:24:13 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:24:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Requests 
In-Reply-To: Message from Allen Bolderoff <allen@gist.net.au> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:53:21 +1030." <199912021423.AAA03186@harper.gist.net.au> 
Message-ID: <E11tX9Z-0004m4-00@rioja.localnet>

allen at gist.net.au said:
> I would like the ability to be able to subscribe to all lists (or some
> of the  lists) on a host in one go, so that you basically have a list
> of available  lists, that you just click a check box for each list and
> bulk subscribe the  one user to as many lists as necessary.

interesting idea... needs to be made flexible enough that it doesn't 
shut out the "page per list" form of the curent system.

> This would allow a user to come to one page, and subscribe to several
> lists at  once, without having to subscribe manually to every list he
> wants. 

Obviously if you are doing this it ought to go with a single 
confirmation message to turn round a subscription to multiple lists.... 
but this then gets complicated if the lists do not share a subscription 
policy.  [ie some need approved additions, some need confirmation, 
others need nothing]

	Nigel.
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From digulla at hepe.com  Thu Dec  2 15:51:11 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:51:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Requests
In-Reply-To: <E11tX9Z-0004m4-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel.Metheringham@vdata.co.uk on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 02:24:13PM +0000
References: <allen@gist.net.au> <E11tX9Z-0004m4-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <19991202155111.E2235@srv201.swx.ch>

On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 02:24:13PM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:

> > This would allow a user to come to one page, and subscribe to several
> > lists at  once, without having to subscribe manually to every list he
> > wants. 
> Obviously if you are doing this it ought to go with a single 
> confirmation message to turn round a subscription to multiple lists.... 
> but this then gets complicated if the lists do not share a subscription 
> policy.  [ie some need approved additions, some need confirmation, 
> others need nothing]

nothing: Just subscribe
all lists which need confirmation: Send a single confirmation mail
for all lists and subscribe him to all when he replies.
approval: Send a single subscription request to every list
moderator (even if the moderator is the same person in different
lists, because otherwise, one would have to reject the whole
request if one doesn't want someone to subscribe to a single list).
app+confirm: Send a single mail for every list.

The shortcut would be to keep it as it is now (send a
single mail per subscription request as necessary). That
would work, too, but would be a bit clumsy.

-- 
Dipl. Inf. (FH) Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by
improving the algorithms rather than by       
buying a faster machine."                     



From larry at lawlearn.wuacc.edu  Thu Dec  2 16:56:26 1999
From: larry at lawlearn.wuacc.edu (Larry Stooge)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:56:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What are the limits for mailman?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912020949010.23930-100000@lawlearn.wuacc.edu>

Hi,

I just installed MailMan for test purposes, but, as I looked through
existing documentation, I couldn't find any information about the maximum
number of lists that can be created or what might limit the maximum number
of users.

In short, is there a limit on the number of lists per server?

Thanks for any info,
Joe




From pjh at mccc.edu  Thu Dec  2 16:16:53 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:16:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021016030.26619-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

What could be causing these? I ran update as root, as
suggested in INSTALL and get no errors.

Thanks,
Pete

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 03:27:03 -0500
From: Cron Daemon <root at saturn.mccc.edu>
To: mailman at listserv.mccc.edu
Subject: Cron <mailman at saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

List et124 has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/et124
List hiltonia has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/hiltonia
List mcp has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/mcp
List njccasst has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njccasst
List njccpres has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njccpres
List epo has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/epo
List aoagene has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/aoagene
List eli97 has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/eli97
List njcfs has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njcfs
List aoadl has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/aoadl
List vision has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/vision
List jpc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/jpc
List tvc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/tvc
List nynjpaeta has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/nynjpaeta




From mentor at alb-net.com  Thu Dec  2 16:22:21 1999
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:22:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python modules for proper functioning of Mailman 1.1
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.20.9912021016100.564-100000@alb-net.com>

Hello,

After recompiling python 1.5.2 and running the 'make test', I got the
following results. I'm curious to know which of the skipped test are the
modules that I really need for proper functioning of Mailman. Am I missing
some features and functionalities because of the skipped modules?

For example: The list Archives are not being gzip-ed because the gzip
module is not compiled in python?

42 tests OK.
19 tests skipped: test_al test_audioop test_bsddb test_cd test_cl
test_crypt tes
t_dbm test_dl test_gdbm test_gl test_gzip test_imageop test_imgfile
test_nis tes
t_rgbimg test_sunaudiodev test_thread test_timing test_zlib

thanks,
Mentor




From pjh at mccc.edu  Thu Dec  2 16:48:58 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:48:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python's "false"
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021048160.28008-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

What does Python use for the value of "false"?

Thanks,
Pete




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 16:56:07 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:56:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python modules for proper functioning of Mailman 1.1
References: <Pine.GSO.4.20.9912021016100.564-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <14406.38551.87468.62269@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MC" == Mentor Cana <mentor at alb-net.com> writes:

    MC> After recompiling python 1.5.2 and running the 'make test', I
    MC> got the following results. I'm curious to know which of the
    MC> skipped test are the modules that I really need for proper
    MC> functioning of Mailman. Am I missing some features and
    MC> functionalities because of the skipped modules?

    MC> For example: The list Archives are not being gzip-ed because
    MC> the gzip module is not compiled in python?

    MC> 42 tests OK.  19 tests skipped: test_al test_audioop
    MC> test_bsddb test_cd test_cl test_crypt tes t_dbm test_dl
    MC> test_gdbm test_gl test_gzip test_imageop test_imgfile test_nis
    MC> tes t_rgbimg test_sunaudiodev test_thread test_timing
    MC> test_zlib

crypt module would be nice, although not necessary (there's currently
a problem with some passwords if you create lists first w/o crypt and
then add crypt to your Python later, but they aren't serious).

If you want your archives to be gzipped, you'll need to add the zlib
module, which gzip depends on (zlib is a C module, gzip is all in
Python, but requires zlib).

Everything else you can ignore.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  2 17:03:11 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:03:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python's "false"
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021048160.28008-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <14406.38975.645474.350235@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:

    PH> What does Python use for the value of "false"?

- the singleton object None

- numeric zero of all types, i.e. integer 0, float 0.0

- an empty list, tuple, or dictionary, i.e. [], (), {}

- the empty string, i.e. '' or ""

You can also make instances act false by returning a false value from
a __nonzero__() method, e.g.

>>> class Foo:
...  def __init__(self, x): self.x = x
...  def __nonzero__(self): return self.x
... 
>>> f = Foo(0)
>>> if f: print 'not false'
... 
>>> f = Foo(1)
>>> if f: print 'not false'
... 
not false


See also <http://www.python.org/doc/current/ref/lambda.html>

-Barry



From andreas at mtg.co.at  Thu Dec  2 17:03:41 1999
From: andreas at mtg.co.at (Andreas Kostyrka)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:03:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python's "false"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021048160.28008-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>; from pjh@mccc.edu on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 10:48:58AM -0500
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021048160.28008-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <19991202170341.K5396@mtg.co.at>

On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 10:48:58AM -0500, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> What does Python use for the value of "false"?
Zero in an abstract way ;)
So 0, 0.0, None, [], {} are all false.

Andreas
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From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Thu Dec  2 17:26:24 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:26:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LogMsg problem
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021047020.389-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

I'm using mailman 1.1.  One of our lists consistently generates the
following python traceback in the mailman error log whenever a message is
posted to the list.

Dec 01 13:22:45 1999 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 45, in ?
post:      if not mlist.bounce_processing or not mlist.ScanMessage(msg):
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 449, in ScanMessage
post:      self.RegisterBounce(who, msg)
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 138, in RegisterBounce
post:      self.LogMsg("bounce", report + "exceeded limits")
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 834, in LogMsg
post:      logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
post: TypeError :  not enough arguments for format string 


I've had a look at the call to LogMsg() in MailList.py from
RegisterBounce() in Bouncer.py, so I sort of where the error is happening.
As far as I can tell, there must be some instances where LogMsg is being
called with a "msg" argument that contains % variable substitutions that
have not yet been satisfied, but with an empty or insufficient "args"
tuple.  So, when LogMsg calls logf.write(msg % args + '\n'), the %
substitution fails.

It seems that, in general, the use of LogMsg is inconsistent.  In some
cases, a variable length args tuple is passed to LogMsg and the string
formatting is done within LogMsg, but in many other cases any string
formatting is done before the call to LogMsg and LogMsg is called without
an args tuple.

It's entirely possible that something will call LogMsg with a "msg"
argument that contains a valid % substitution string even though they did
not intend for a % substitution to happen.  I think this is what may be
happening in my case - the RegisterBounce() function builds the "msg"
string from other variable strings and one of these strings may contain a
% substitution string.  This msg string is then passed to LogMsg but
without an args tuple to satisfy the % substitution.

I'm no Python expert - I just started learning it a few weeks ago - but 
I'm trying to think of ways to debug this, or handle the situation more
gracefully.  I've been poking through the Python books I have and looking
at the exception handling stuff.  I've come up with the following simple
idea for handling this in LogMsg().  Any opinions about whether this is a
good idea, whether it will work, or whether there is a better way to
approach this problem?

        try:
            logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
        except:
            logf.write(msg + '\n')

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From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Thu Dec  2 17:57:21 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:57:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LogMsg problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021047020.389-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021150480.389-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

Sure enough!  This was exactly the problem!  After applying the 'try:
except:' fix I suggested below I no longer get the error traceback
from LogMsg and I see the following in the bounce log.  It was the email
address string containing % characters in LogMsg called from 
RegisterBounce that was causing the failure.

Dec 02 11:47:26 1999  cdn-nucl-l: DXS9%OPS%DCPP at bangate.pge.com - exceeded limits
Dec 02 11:47:26 1999  cdn-nucl-l: disabled dxs9%ops%dcpp at bangate.pge.com
Dec 02 11:47:27 1999  cdn-nucl-l: gonuke at bigfoot.com - first

n Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Todd Pfaff wrote:

> I'm using mailman 1.1.  One of our lists consistently generates the
> following python traceback in the mailman error log whenever a message is
> posted to the list.
> 
> Dec 01 13:22:45 1999 post: Traceback (innermost last):
> post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 45, in ?
> post:      if not mlist.bounce_processing or not mlist.ScanMessage(msg):
> post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 449, in ScanMessage
> post:      self.RegisterBounce(who, msg)
> post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 138, in RegisterBounce
> post:      self.LogMsg("bounce", report + "exceeded limits")
> post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 834, in LogMsg
> post:      logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
> post: TypeError :  not enough arguments for format string 
> 
> 
> I've had a look at the call to LogMsg() in MailList.py from
> RegisterBounce() in Bouncer.py, so I sort of where the error is happening.
> As far as I can tell, there must be some instances where LogMsg is being
> called with a "msg" argument that contains % variable substitutions that
> have not yet been satisfied, but with an empty or insufficient "args"
> tuple.  So, when LogMsg calls logf.write(msg % args + '\n'), the %
> substitution fails.
> 
> It seems that, in general, the use of LogMsg is inconsistent.  In some
> cases, a variable length args tuple is passed to LogMsg and the string
> formatting is done within LogMsg, but in many other cases any string
> formatting is done before the call to LogMsg and LogMsg is called without
> an args tuple.
> 
> It's entirely possible that something will call LogMsg with a "msg"
> argument that contains a valid % substitution string even though they did
> not intend for a % substitution to happen.  I think this is what may be
> happening in my case - the RegisterBounce() function builds the "msg"
> string from other variable strings and one of these strings may contain a
> % substitution string.  This msg string is then passed to LogMsg but
> without an args tuple to satisfy the % substitution.
> 
> I'm no Python expert - I just started learning it a few weeks ago - but 
> I'm trying to think of ways to debug this, or handle the situation more
> gracefully.  I've been poking through the Python books I have and looking
> at the exception handling stuff.  I've come up with the following simple
> idea for handling this in LogMsg().  Any opinions about whether this is a
> good idea, whether it will work, or whether there is a better way to
> approach this problem?
> 
>         try:
>             logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
>         except:
>             logf.write(msg + '\n')
> 
> --
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> Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
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> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it  Thu Dec  2 18:08:10 1999
From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Pioppo)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:08:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scripts/answer_majordomo_mail
Message-ID: <99120218102300.00855@abulafia.4net.it>

Hi,

I'm migrating from majordomo.  
I tried to setup the $prefix/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail 
tool but with no success. 
Can anyone tell me what I have to do?
Thanks in advance.

Simone

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From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Dec  2 18:22:00 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:22:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scripts/answer_majordomo_mail
In-Reply-To: <99120218102300.00855@abulafia.4net.it>; from Pioppo on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 06:08:10PM +0100
References: <99120218102300.00855@abulafia.4net.it>
Message-ID: <19991202122200.B7599@xcski.com>

Quoting Pioppo (pioppo at ferrara.linux.it):
> Hi,
> 
> I'm migrating from majordomo.  
> I tried to setup the $prefix/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail 
> tool but with no success. 
> Can anyone tell me what I have to do?
> Thanks in advance.

I couldn't get it to work either, so I replaced it with:

#!/bin/sh
(formail -rt; cat /usr/home/mailman/misc/majordomo.answer.txt) | /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t

Which I run with the following entry in /etc/aliases:

majordomo: "|/usr/home/mailman/scripts/amm"

-- 
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SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Dec  2 19:50:05 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:50:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] run queue
Message-ID: <3846BF5D.953E348F@isu.edu>

Where in the directory structure of  mailman does queued mail get placed
for the cron job "run_queue" to process if the message failed to deliver
the first time or the host machine was down at the time, because there
are times where I don't want these messaged to be resent. I would rather
deleted them then have run_queue send them out, because I had one list
that had subscribed the wrong email address for 2000 users to the list
and it kept trying to resend them which caused performance problems do I
need to adjust sendmail to handle a situation like this?

--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From allen at gist.net.au  Thu Dec  2 22:42:57 1999
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:12:57 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Requests 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham@vdata.co.uk> 
   of "Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:24:13 -0000." <E11tX9Z-0004m4-00@rioja.localnet> 
Message-ID: <199912022142.IAA06593@harper.gist.net.au>

> Obviously if you are doing this it ought to go with a single 
> confirmation message to turn round a subscription to multiple lists.... 
> but this then gets complicated if the lists do not share a subscription 
> policy.  [ie some need approved additions, some need confirmation, 
> others need nothing]
> 

This would work, just have a caveate that says all lists must have a common policy for subscription. Thats the Price for Progress.
-- 
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From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it  Thu Dec  2 21:34:00 1999
From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Pioppo)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:34:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scripts/answer_majordomo_mail
In-Reply-To: <19991202122200.B7599@xcski.com>
References: <99120218102300.00855@abulafia.4net.it> <19991202122200.B7599@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <99120221284909.01107@abulafia.4net.it>

Il Thu, 02 Dec 1999, Paul Tomblin ha scritto:

> > I tried to setup the $prefix/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail 
> > tool but with no success. 

> I couldn't get it to work either, so I replaced it with:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> (formail -rt; cat /usr/home/mailman/misc/majordomo.answer.txt) | /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t

Very good!
Following your example:

#!/bin/sh
FROM="mailman at ferrara.linux.it"
TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/$0.XXXXXX`
if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
   echo "$0: Can't create temp file, exiting..."
   exit 1
fi                              
cat > $TMPFILE
(
   echo "From: $FROM"
   cat $TMPFILE | formail -rt
   echo
   echo "Hi."
   echo "This is an autogenerated reply to your message."
   echo "We non longer run majordomo here - we use Mailman."
   echo "To subscribe to our lists please visit:"
   echo "http://ferrara.linux.it/mailman/listinfo"
   echo "Your original request follows." 
   echo 
   cat $TMPFILE | formail -k -X From: -X Subject: -X Date: \
      -X To: | awk '{print "> "$0}' 
)|/usr/sbin/sendmail -t
rm -f $TMPFILE


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From pjh at mccc.edu  Thu Dec  2 22:59:28 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:59:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sheesh! ANOTHER Problem!!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021655210.13496-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

What could THIS mean?

Cron <pjh at saturn> /usr/bin/python  /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 77, in ?
    main(verbose=(len(sys.argv) > 1
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 34, in main
    list = MailList.MailList(name, lock = 0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

Redhat 6.x, Python 1.5.2, MM 1.1

Thanks,
Pete




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Thu Dec  2 23:17:09 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:17:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scripts/answer_majordomo_mail
In-Reply-To: <99120221284909.01107@abulafia.4net.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021707380.389-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Pioppo wrote:

> Il Thu, 02 Dec 1999, Paul Tomblin ha scritto:
> 
> > > I tried to setup the $prefix/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail 
> > > tool but with no success. 
> 
> > I couldn't get it to work either, so I replaced it with:
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > (formail -rt; cat /usr/home/mailman/misc/majordomo.answer.txt) | /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t
> 
> Very good!
> Following your example:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> FROM="mailman at ferrara.linux.it"
> TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/$0.XXXXXX`
> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
>    echo "$0: Can't create temp file, exiting..."
>    exit 1
> fi                              
> cat > $TMPFILE
> (
>    echo "From: $FROM"
>    cat $TMPFILE | formail -rt
>    echo
>    echo "Hi."
>    echo "This is an autogenerated reply to your message."
>    echo "We non longer run majordomo here - we use Mailman."
>    echo "To subscribe to our lists please visit:"
>    echo "http://ferrara.linux.it/mailman/listinfo"
>    echo "Your original request follows." 
>    echo 
>    cat $TMPFILE | formail -k -X From: -X Subject: -X Date: \
>       -X To: | awk '{print "> "$0}' 
> )|/usr/sbin/sendmail -t
> rm -f $TMPFILE


here's a similar but slightly easier method that i use on our
soon-to-be-history listproc server...

i put this script in ~mailman/autoreply, mode 755, and call it from an
alias like this as i remove a list from listproc:

listname: "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/info/server/autoreply listname"


#!/bin/sh
LISTNAME=$1; export LISTNAME
(
/usr/local/bin/formail -rt -A"Precedence: junk" -A"X-Loop: listproc at listserv.mcmaster.ca"
cat << EOF
This is an automatic reply.

Our listproc mailing list service will be removed January 1 2000.
We are now running a new mailman mailing list service.
If you are trying to use a listproc list, it may have already been
moved to our mailman server.
 
Please visit the URL:
 
  http://mailman.mcmaster.ca/mailman/listinfo/$LISTNAME
 
for information about the $LISTNAME mailing list and mailman.
 
You can also get help with the $LISTNAME mailing list by sending a
message to $LISTNAME-request at mailman.mcmaster.ca with only the word
help in the Subject line and an empty message body.
EOF
) | /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t -f listproc at listserv.mcmaster.ca

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From larry at lawlearn.wuacc.edu  Fri Dec  3 00:43:44 1999
From: larry at lawlearn.wuacc.edu (Joe Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:43:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I show the list description on the 'Admin Links' page?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021016030.26619-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912021720100.24646-100000@lawlearn.wuacc.edu>

I recently install Mailman and everything seems to work okay, but the
Admin Links page shows a place for the Description.  Mine will not display
the Description and after a browse through some of the code, I can't
figure out how to get the data in there. 

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Joe Hewitt
Washburn University
Topeka, KS





From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Dec  2 23:56:12 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:56:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending message
Message-ID: <3846F90C.741F42E0@isu.edu>

Why does mailman queue a message that's undeliverable and try to send it
again later on in the Cron run_queue process. Why doesn't it just send
the  message and if the user doesn't exist or is undeliverable not send
it again later on just delete it. I can see why it would queue messages,
because the server host is down, but not a message that is
undeliverable. Does the Bounce options work with Sendmail 8.8. I have
configured the web interface for it to disable or delete a user who I
know is over is quota, because I get the bounce message back and it
doesn't work.  My settings are

Minimum number of days an Address has been non-fatally bad before we
take action    0
Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before we
consider removing  3
Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected      Remove and
notify me

I guess I would like to know the whole delivery and rejected message
process of mailman and when and why it queues messages for Run_queue to
process.

Also what does it cost to get support.

--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From kirth at hole.org  Fri Dec  3 02:57:29 1999
From: kirth at hole.org (Kirth)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:57:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Alias problem ?
Message-ID: <19991203015729.B3824@white.hole.org>

Hi,
	I followed the install doc, and the details on
www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html but I have hit a problem.
I think exim is ignoring /etc/aliases becuase every time I
try to add a list I get this in exim_reject log

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1999-12-03 01:50:09 rejected MAIL FROM: temporarily unable to verify sender
address (try again later) <mailman-owner at mail.i-docs.org> H=localhost
(ns0.hole.org) [127.0.0.1] (mailman)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

now I dont know if the problem stems from I want mailman running on
mail.i-docs.org rather than ns0.hole.org ... or If im just being stupid

in /etc/aliases I have
mailman: kirth at i-docs.org
mailman-owner: mailman

Help would be greatfully appreciated as it's starting to really annoy me
*grin*


Regards

Richard

kirth at hole.org / kirth at i-docs.org
http://black.hole.org
http://i-docs.org





From bldl at classic.korea.ac.kr  Fri Dec  3 01:57:18 1999
From: bldl at classic.korea.ac.kr (Kim JungSu)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:57:18 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file does not be changed ???
Message-ID: <022f01bf3d29$594a0580$2d2198a3@korea.ac.kr>

Hello, I am a Kim Jung Su.

I installed mailman-1.1.

but I can not start it. 

After I perform 'newlist' command, 

aliases file does not changed.

So, when new list member "REPLY" mail to mailling list

folling error message appear.

"<<< 550 <test-request at piano.korea.ac.kr>... User unknown"

How can I solve it ?

Please help me .





------ ^.^  with best regards ^.^ ------
 
                     Kim Jung Su
==============================================
JungSu Kim
 
Control Systems Lab.
Department of Electrical Eng., Graduate School, Korea University
1, 5-ka, Anam-dong, Sungbuk-ku, Seoul 136-701, Korea
Tel)+82-2-3290-3687     Fax) +82-2-928-8909
 
http://cello.korea.ac.kr/~bldl
mailto:bldl at classic.korea.ac.kr

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From kirth at hole.org  Fri Dec  3 03:17:16 1999
From: kirth at hole.org (Kirth)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:17:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Alias problem ?
In-Reply-To: <19991203015729.B3824@white.hole.org>; from Kirth on Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 01:57:29AM +0000
References: <19991203015729.B3824@white.hole.org>
Message-ID: <19991203021716.A4122@white.hole.org>

Ok, well sorry about that I fixed it *grin*
working on the next problem now 
1999-12-03 02:15:56 rejected MAIL FROM: unknown local-part in sender
<mailman-owner at mail.i-docs.org> H=localhost (ns0.hole.org) [127.0.0.1]
(mailman)

i presume THAT is the aliases

* Kirth (kirth at hole.org) [991203 01:57]:
> Hi,
> 	I followed the install doc, and the details on
> www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html but I have hit a problem.
> I think exim is ignoring /etc/aliases becuase every time I
> try to add a list I get this in exim_reject log
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1999-12-03 01:50:09 rejected MAIL FROM: temporarily unable to verify sender
> address (try again later) <mailman-owner at mail.i-docs.org> H=localhost
> (ns0.hole.org) [127.0.0.1] (mailman)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> now I dont know if the problem stems from I want mailman running on
> mail.i-docs.org rather than ns0.hole.org ... or If im just being stupid
> 
> in /etc/aliases I have
> mailman: kirth at i-docs.org
> mailman-owner: mailman
> 
> Help would be greatfully appreciated as it's starting to really annoy me
> *grin*
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Richard
> 
> kirth at hole.org / kirth at i-docs.org
> http://black.hole.org
> http://i-docs.org
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Fri Dec  3 02:12:18 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:12:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file does not be changed ???
In-Reply-To: <022f01bf3d29$594a0580$2d2198a3@korea.ac.kr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912021910380.784-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Kim JungSu wrote:

> Hello, I am a Kim Jung Su.
> 
> I installed mailman-1.1.
> 
> but I can not start it. 
> 
> After I perform 'newlist' command, 
> 
> aliases file does not changed.
> 
> So, when new list member "REPLY" mail to mailling list
> 
> folling error message appear.
> 
> "<<< 550 <test-request at piano.korea.ac.kr>... User unknown"
> 
> How can I solve it ?

When you run newlist it outputs a block of text to paste into the aliases
file. You must do this manually, and probably as root. Then do newaliases
if necessary and it should work. I am sure this is in the documentation.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 02:16:46 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:16:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Alias problem ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kirth <kirth@hole.org> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 01:57:29 GMT." <19991203015729.B3824@white.hole.org> 
Message-ID: <E11thL4-0007XU-00@koala.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:57:29 +0000 
Kirth  <kirth at hole.org> wrote:

> Hi, I followed the install doc, and the details on
> www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html but I have hit a problem.  I think
> exim is ignoring /etc/aliases becuase every time I try to add a
> list I get this in exim_reject log

Do you have mail.i-docs.org listed in exim.conf under
primary_hostname or local_domains?

> in /etc/aliases I have mailman: kirth at i-docs.org mailman-owner:
> mailman

I use the following stanzas under Exim for MailMan:

Transport: 

  mailman_list_pipe:
    driver = pipe
    allow_commands = /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper
    user = list
    group = mail
    return_fail_output

Director:

  mailman_lists:
    driver = aliasfile
    search_type = lsearch
    file = /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
    pipe_transport = mailman_list_pipe
    modemask = 111

(Note that this is built atopt Debian's default install, and so uses
the "list" UID rather than "mailman", tho ~list == /var/lib/mailman.
This allows me to keep all the list aliases under ~list/data/aliases
(and under RCS), rather than muddled into the general /etc/aliases.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 02:21:06 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:21:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file does not be changed ??? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Kim JungSu" <bldl@classic.korea.ac.kr> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:57:18 +0900." <022f01bf3d29$594a0580$2d2198a3@korea.ac.kr> 
Message-ID: <E11thPG-0007Yq-00@koala.kanga.nu>

Please do not post HTML in email.

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:57:18 +0900 
Kim JungSu <bldl at classic.korea.ac.kr> wrote:

> I installed mailman-1.1.  but I can not start it.  After I perform
> 'newlist' command, aliases file does not changed.

This is correct.  `newlist` does not edit or change the aliases
file.  It is up to you to do that manually. 

Why?

Different MTAs have different standards for handling alias files,
and additionally different sites may (and often do) have very
different configurations for the location and handling of their
alias files.

In fact, there's an Exim stanza wandering about right now done by
Nick Moffit that avoids the need entirely for an alias file for
MailMan, but rather has Exim observe the presence of a
~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db file and therefor determine that
the list exists and all the addresses it needs.  Quite a cute job
really.  No alias file to update, but idential operation.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 02:22:14 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:22:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Alias problem ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kirth <kirth@hole.org> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 02:17:16 GMT." <19991203021716.A4122@white.hole.org> 
Message-ID: <E11thQM-0007ZI-00@koala.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:17:16 +0000 
Kirth  <kirth at hole.org> wrote:

> Ok, well sorry about that I fixed it *grin* working on the next
> problem now 1999-12-03 02:15:56 rejected MAIL FROM: unknown
> local-part in sender <mailman-owner at mail.i-docs.org> H=localhost
> (ns0.hole.org) [127.0.0.1] (mailman)

My same questions stand.  Exim needs to know what domains it has to
accept delivery for in the local_domains line in exim.conf.

-- 
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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Fri Dec  3 02:31:13 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:31:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file does not be changed ??? 
In-Reply-To: <E11thPG-0007Yq-00@koala.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912021929500.784-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 claw at kanga.nu wrote:
...
> In fact, there's an Exim stanza wandering about right now done by
> Nick Moffit that avoids the need entirely for an alias file for
> MailMan, but rather has Exim observe the presence of a
> ~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db file and therefor determine that
> the list exists and all the addresses it needs.  Quite a cute job
> really.  No alias file to update, but idential operation.

Now, that sounds slick. Any chance you'd have a pointer to it?

Thanks!

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From kirth at hole.org  Fri Dec  3 03:52:35 1999
From: kirth at hole.org (Kirth)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:52:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Alias problem ?
In-Reply-To: <E11thQM-0007ZI-00@koala.kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 05:22:14PM -0800
References: <kirth@hole.org> <E11thQM-0007ZI-00@koala.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <19991203025235.A4653@white.hole.org>

sorry about all this, you where rihght about I'd forgotten to add the domain
to the local list, now I get this one (oh, i moved it from mail.i-docs.org to
@i-docs.net for ease of mind)


  test-request at i-docs.net:
    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/staff/mailman/mail/wrapper

what does the 2 mean ?

btw, sorry for all this, and thanks alot for the help


* claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu) [991203 02:32]:
> On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:17:16 +0000 
> Kirth  <kirth at hole.org> wrote:
> 
> > Ok, well sorry about that I fixed it *grin* working on the next
> > problem now 1999-12-03 02:15:56 rejected MAIL FROM: unknown
> > local-part in sender <mailman-owner at mail.i-docs.org> H=localhost
> > (ns0.hole.org) [127.0.0.1] (mailman)
> 
> My same questions stand.  Exim needs to know what domains it has to
> accept delivery for in the local_domains line in exim.conf.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 02:47:58 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:47:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending message 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kory Wheatley <wheakory@isu.edu> 
   of "Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:56:12 MST." <3846F90C.741F42E0@isu.edu> 
Message-ID: <E11thpG-0007nY-00@koala.kanga.nu>

On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:56:12 -0700 
Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> wrote:

> Why does mailman queue a message that's undeliverable and try to
> send it again later on in the Cron run_queue process. 

Mailman has no particular way of determining that a message is
undeliverable outside of the very small case where the local MTA
refuses it prior to receipt for having a malformed address or
similar.

> Why doesn't it just send the message and if the user doesn't exist
> or is undeliverable not send it again later on just delete it.

The pattern is:

  MailMan sends the message.
  An MTA (somewhere) responds with a DSN.
  MailMan attempts to parse and handle the DSN.

MailMan can't have advance intelligence here.  Additionally it can't 
assume that a message that didn't make it thru last time, won't make 
it thru this time.  

> I have configured the web interface for it to disable or delete a
> user who I know is over is quota, because I get the bounce message
> back and it doesn't work.  

MailMan dos not instantly unsubscribe bad addresses, but rather
waits for a consistent pattern to emerge for an address which it
then reacts to.  This prevents MailMan from reacting to temporary
conditions such as a broken router, screwed remote mail system, or
other temporary failure.

> Minimum number of days an Address has been non-fatally bad before
> we take action 0 Minimum number of posts to the list since members
> first bounce before we consider removing 3 Action when critical or
> excessive bounces are detected Remove and notify me

It could also be that MailMan does not correctly handle the bounce
format for your MTA.  I don't know as I don't use sendmail.  Barry?

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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
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From moroo at apt.cs.fujitsu.co.jp  Fri Dec  3 03:44:22 1999
From: moroo at apt.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (moroo at apt.cs.fujitsu.co.jp)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:44:22 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serial counter in Subject
Message-ID: <19991203114422T.moroo@apt.cs.fujitsu.co.jp>

  Can mailman append mail counter in Subject line like fml/cml/majordomo?
  For example:
    Subject: [Mailman-Users:0000123] Some subject.

  If it can not, did anybody make patch?

-
Moroo Jun
moroo at apt.cs.fujitsu.co.jp



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 04:05:59 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:05:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Alias problem ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kirth <kirth@hole.org> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 02:52:35 GMT." <19991203025235.A4653@white.hole.org> 
Message-ID: <E11tj2m-0008Bo-00@koala.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:52:35 +0000 
Kirth  <kirth at hole.org> wrote:

>   test-request at i-docs.net: Child process of list_request_transport
> transport returned 2 from command:
> /home/staff/mailman/mail/wrapper

I'm not familar with wrapper's RCs.  Barry?

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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 04:10:11 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (claw at kanga.nu)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:10:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file does not be changed ??? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya@jerrya.fastrans.net> 
   of "Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:31:13 CST." <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912021929500.784-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net> 
Message-ID: <E11tj6p-0008DE-00@koala.kanga.nu>

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:31:13 -0600 (CST) 
Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 claw at kanga.nu wrote: ...
>> In fact, there's an Exim stanza wandering about right now done by
>> Nick Moffit that avoids the need entirely for an alias file for
>> MailMan, but rather has Exim observe the presence of a
>> ~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db file and therefor determine
>> that the list exists and all the addresses it needs.  Quite a
>> cute job really.  No alias file to update, but idential
>> operation.

> Now, that sounds slick. Any chance you'd have a pointer to it?

It was posted to Crackmonkey by Nick Moffit a couple months back.
Unfortunately Zork.Net appears to be down and the disk that has my
archives of that traffic is currently being held by a previous
client. 

As soon as I find it I'll post it.

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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Fri Dec  3 05:07:16 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:07:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist, rmlist, sendmail alias management
In-Reply-To: <E11thPG-0007Yq-00@koala.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912022238430.24268-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 claw at kanga.nu wrote:

> This is correct.  `newlist` does not edit or change the aliases
> file.  It is up to you to do that manually. 
> 
> Why?
> 
> Different MTAs have different standards for handling alias files,
> and additionally different sites may (and often do) have very
> different configurations for the location and handling of their
> alias files.
> 
> In fact, there's an Exim stanza wandering about right now done by
> Nick Moffit that avoids the need entirely for an alias file for
> MailMan, but rather has Exim observe the presence of a
> ~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db file and therefor determine that
> the list exists and all the addresses it needs.  Quite a cute job
> really.  No alias file to update, but idential operation.

can be done similarly for sendmail...

- as mailman admin user
cd ~mailman
touch aliases aliases.dir aliases.pag

- as root
cd ~mailman
chown root aliases.dir aliases.pag
edit /etc/mail/sendmail.cf and add a line like:
O AliasFile=dbm:/home/mailman/aliases

then, to create list, as mailman admin user:

cd ~mailman
./bin/newlist listname owner-email-address password 1 | tail +4 > aliases
newaliases

and to remove list:

cd ~mailman
./bin/rmlist [-a] listname
ed aliases << EOF
/^## listname mailing list/;.+7d
w
q
EOF
newaliases

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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec  3 06:11:19 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:11:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
 (fwd)
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021016030.26619-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <14407.20727.988844.837522@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:

    PH> What could be causing these? I ran update as root, as
    PH> suggested in INSTALL and get no errors.

Did you move your archives to a new directory?  Are the permissions on
the directory messed up?  You get this message if an error occurs
while trying to list the archive directory.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec  3 06:22:51 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:22:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] scripts/answer_majordomo_mail
References: <99120218102300.00855@abulafia.4net.it>
Message-ID: <14407.21419.390861.213294@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "P" == Pioppo  <pioppo at ferrara.linux.it> writes:

    P> I'm migrating from majordomo.  I tried to setup the
    P> $prefix/scripts/answer_majordomo_mail tool but with no success.
    P> Can anyone tell me what I have to do?  Thanks in advance.

Does it make sense to still support this script?  I think it can
easily be done without this, so I'd just assume remove
majordomo.answer.txt and answer_majordomo_mail.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec  3 06:20:01 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:20:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LogMsg problem
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912021047020.389-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <14407.21249.279263.173837@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "TP" == Todd Pfaff <pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> writes:

    TP> It seems that, in general, the use of LogMsg is inconsistent.

You're right about that.  It would be a good thing to clean up the use
of LogMsg.  I usually do the substitution before passing it to LogMsg,
but some of the older code does it the other way.

    TP> Any opinions about whether this is
    TP> a good idea, whether it will work, or whether there is a
    TP> better way to approach this problem?

    |         try:
    |             logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
    |         except:
    |             logf.write(msg + '\n')

Just a point of Python style.  It's almost never appropriate to use a
"bare" except like this because it can mask unexpected exceptions.  In
this case using "except TypeError" would do the trick.

This is probably okay as a stopgap, but it would be better to make the
use of LogMsg more consistent.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec  3 06:46:53 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:46:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-cabal] Re: [Mailman-Users] sending message
References: <wheakory@isu.edu>
	<3846F90C.741F42E0@isu.edu>
	<E11thpG-0007nY-00@koala.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <14407.22861.742256.112277@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "claw" ==   <claw at kanga.nu> writes:

    claw> It could also be that MailMan does not correctly handle the
    claw> bounce format for your MTA.  I don't know as I don't use
    claw> sendmail.  Barry?

Sadly, there are quite a few bounce formats that Mailman doesn't
grok.  Postfix bounces, qmail bounces, DSN mime msgs.  I'm not sure
when I'll get a chance to rework the bounce stuff, but I have in mind
an approach similar to the delivery pipeline code.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec  3 06:50:53 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:50:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Alias problem ? 
References: <kirth@hole.org>
	<19991203025235.A4653@white.hole.org>
	<E11tj2m-0008Bo-00@koala.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <14407.23101.127234.769646@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "claw" ==   <claw at kanga.nu> writes:

    >> test-request at i-docs.net: Child process of
    >> list_request_transport
    >> transport returned 2 from command:
    >> /home/staff/mailman/mail/wrapper

    claw> I'm not familar with wrapper's RCs.  Barry?

Return code 2 is the GID_MISMATCH error (see src/common.h).  Check
your MTA's syslog entries; I'll bet you'll find a more informative
error message.  You'll probably need to use --with-mail-gid when you
run configure.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec  3 06:53:12 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:53:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serial counter in Subject
References: <19991203114422T.moroo@apt.cs.fujitsu.co.jp>
Message-ID: <14407.23240.791181.149972@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "moroo" ==   <moroo at apt.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> writes:

    moroo>   Can mailman append mail counter in Subject line like
    moroo> fml/cml/majordomo?  For example: Subject:
    moroo> [Mailman-Users:0000123] Some subject.

    moroo>   If it can not, did anybody make patch?

It doesn't currently, but this should be trivial to add.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec  3 06:52:05 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:52:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist, rmlist, sendmail alias management
References: <E11thPG-0007Yq-00@koala.kanga.nu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.10.9912022238430.24268-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <14407.23173.959656.301764@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "TP" == Todd Pfaff <pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> writes:

    TP> can be done similarly for sendmail...

Neat!



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 08:12:20 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 23:12:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist, rmlist, sendmail alias management 
In-Reply-To: Message from Todd Pfaff <pfaff@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
   of "Thu, 02 Dec 1999 23:07:16 EST." <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912022238430.24268-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912022238430.24268-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
Message-ID: <E11tmtd-0002iy-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:07:16 -0500 (EST) 
Todd Pfaff <pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 claw at kanga.nu wrote:

>> In fact, there's an Exim stanza wandering about right now done by
>> Nick Moffit that avoids the need entirely for an alias file for
>> MailMan, but rather has Exim observe the presence of a
>> ~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db file and therefor determine
>> that the list exists and all the addresses it needs.  Quite a
>> cute job really.  No alias file to update, but idential
>> operation.

> can be done similarly for sendmail...

...details ellided...

Actually that's not the same thing as you are piping the alias
output from newlist into an alias file for MailMan:

> cd ~mailman ./bin/newlist listname owner-email-address password 1
> | tail +4 > aliases newaliases

Tis is not what I'm writing about about above.  I'm writing about
having no alias file at all, about there not being a file anywhere
on the system that lists the mail aliased for the various lists,
about there being no file that encludes lines like the following:

ie, with this system you can do the following:

  # newlist listname

and then immediately have the list live and supported under your MTA
without editing a single file or pasting or piping the aliases into
anything.

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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From m.keller at mssc.ch  Fri Dec  3 10:14:08 1999
From: m.keller at mssc.ch (Markus Keller)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:14:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] International Version of Mailman
Message-ID: <000a01bf3d6e$d556ddc0$3606e6c2@markus.orcasoft.ch>

Hello People

My name is Markus and I live in Switzerland. First of all thanks a lot for
mailan. I like it very much.

Between the lines I could read, that you are planing an international
version of mailman. I think it may be helpful to the programmers of mailman
if I tell You about a problem that I have in my little country. The swiss
people speak four diffrent languages. Three of these languages a importent.
Swissgerman swissfrench und swissitalien. If I have to create a new
mailinglist for a special topic, I always have to create three lists at
once. One List for each language. In the Moment I have all HTML an all TXT
Files in german. The german speaking people are happy but I have received
angry mails from the french speaking part of Switzerland. They do not speak
german and now they want me to make all changes for them. I can understand
the french people but in the moment I have only one mailman with one
language.

I were very glad - and I also think it would make mailman to a perfect list
server -  if I could set the langauge to the list instead of to mailman. I
only need a templates directory for each langauge and a way to tell the list
where to get the files. Thank for all.

Greetings

Markus




From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Fri Dec  3 10:50:00 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:50:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim/Mailman Alias problem ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kirth <kirth@hole.org> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 01:57:29 GMT." <19991203015729.B3824@white.hole.org> 
Message-ID: <E11tpLk-0006Lj-00@rioja.localnet>

kirth at hole.org said:
> 	I followed the install doc, and the details on www.exim.org/howto/
> mailman.html but I have hit a problem. I think exim is ignoring /etc/
> aliases becuase every time I try to add a list I get this in
> exim_reject log
[snipped]

I guess I started the exim/mailman howto at a level assuming some of 
the basic infrastructure was in place - I'll try and rehash it over the 
weekend to make this clearer...

You do need a basic working exim configuration which includes the 
domains that your lists are in within its configuration as local 
domains (additionally if you have multiple domains and your lists 
should only appear in one of them, then all the mailman directors must 
also have "domains = your.list.domain" in their configuration.

The UID/GID given to mailman's configure, must match that in the exim 
config file, ie
	./configure --with-mail-uid=x --with-mail-gid=y
must go with
	MAILMAN_UID=x
	MAILMAN_GID=y

The major bit that is missing from the howto (thank you for flagging 
this):-
You do need a working alias director and alias file, which needs 
entries for:-
	mailman-owner
	mailman
	# this one I think is purely because I redirect most of the per-list
	# admin mail to mailman-admin
	mailman-admin

I'll retouch the howto when I get time, announce it to the list, and 
let you lot tell me whats wrong :-)

	Nigel.
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From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Fri Dec  3 10:52:03 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:52:03 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file does not be changed ??? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya@jerrya.fastrans.net> 
   of "Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:31:13 CST." <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912021929500.784-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net> 
Message-ID: <E11tpNj-0006N0-00@rioja.localnet>

> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 claw at kanga.nu wrote:
> ...
> > In fact, there's an Exim stanza wandering about right now done by
> > Nick Moffit that avoids the need entirely for an alias file for
> > MailMan, but rather has Exim observe the presence of a
> > ~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db file and therefor determine that
> > the list exists and all the addresses it needs.  Quite a cute job
> > really.  No alias file to update, but idential operation.
> 
> Now, that sounds slick. Any chance you'd have a pointer to it?

	http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

	Nigel.

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From pjh at mccc.edu  Fri Dec  3 16:27:23 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:27:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python
 /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <14407.20727.988844.837522@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912031024380.2722-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:
> 
>     PH> What could be causing these? I ran update as root, as
>     PH> suggested in INSTALL and get no errors.
> 
> Did you move your archives to a new directory?  Are the permissions on
> the directory messed up?  You get this message if an error occurs
> while trying to list the archive directory.
> 
> -Barry
> 

How do these look?

saturn [pjh] 10:25:02 /home/mailman > ls -al archives
total 4
drwxrwsr-x   4 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov  8 15:47 .
drwxrwsr-x  17 mailman  mailman      1024 Nov 29 14:20 ..
drwxrws--x  32 pjh      mailman      1024 Dec  2 17:02 private
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Dec  2 14:42 public

saturn [pjh] 10:25:31 /home/mailman/archives > ls -al private
total 32
drwxrws--x  32 pjh      mailman      1024 Dec  2 17:02 .
drwxrwsr-x   4 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov  8 15:47 ..
drwxrwsr-x   4 bin      mailman      1024 Dec  1 03:27 ac
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 23 11:58 ac.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   4 bin      mailman      1024 Dec  2 03:27 account-list
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Dec  1 05:31 account-list.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   5 bin      mailman      1024 Dec  2 03:27 adj
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 30 13:54 adj.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   5 bin      mailman      1024 Dec  1 03:27 aoa
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 17 08:28 aoa.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:12 aoadl.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:11 aoagene.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 Dec  2 14:37 ccnet.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   5 bin      mailman      1024 Dec  1 03:27 dd
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 Nov  8 16:17 dd.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 Dec  2 14:40 dlsc.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:11 eli97.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:10 epo.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   4 bin      mailman      1024 Dec  3 03:27 et124
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      1024 Dec  2 17:02 et124.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 15 17:24 hiltonia.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 Dec  2 14:42 impact.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   5 bin      mailman      1024 Dec  1 03:27 itf
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 30 10:42 itf.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:33 jpc.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 15 17:24 mcp.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:00 njccasst.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:01 njccpres.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:12 njcfs.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 30 17:04 nynjpaeta.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 18 12:25 tvc.mbox
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov 16 15:13 vision.mbox

saturn [pjh] 10:25:59 /home/mailman/archives > ls -al public
total 2
drwxrwsr-x   2 pjh      mailman      1024 Dec  2 14:42 .
drwxrwsr-x   4 pjh      mailman      1024 Nov  8 15:47 ..
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        33 Nov 26 15:46 ac -> /home/mailman/archives/private/ac
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        38 Nov 26 15:46 ac.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/ac.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        43 Nov 30 16:36 account-list -> /home/mailman/archives/private/account-list
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        48 Nov 30 16:36 account-list.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/account-list.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        34 Nov 26 15:46 adj -> /home/mailman/archives/private/adj
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 adj.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/adj.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        34 Nov 26 15:46 aoa -> /home/mailman/archives/private/aoa
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 aoa.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/aoa.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        36 Nov 26 15:46 aoadl -> /home/mailman/archives/private/aoadl
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        41 Nov 26 15:46 aoadl.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/aoadl.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        38 Nov 26 15:46 aoagene -> /home/mailman/archives/private/aoagene
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        43 Nov 26 15:46 aoagene.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/aoagene.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        36 Dec  2 14:37 ccnet -> /home/mailman/archives/private/ccnet
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        41 Dec  2 14:37 ccnet.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/ccnet.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        35 Dec  2 14:40 dlsc -> /home/mailman/archives/private/dlsc
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        40 Dec  2 14:40 dlsc.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/dlsc.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        36 Nov 26 15:46 eli97 -> /home/mailman/archives/private/eli97
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        41 Nov 26 15:46 eli97.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/eli97.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        34 Nov 26 15:46 epo -> /home/mailman/archives/private/epo
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 epo.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/epo.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        36 Nov 26 15:46 et124 -> /home/mailman/archives/private/et124
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     mailman        41 Nov 26 15:46 et124.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/et124.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 hiltonia -> /home/mailman/archives/private/hiltonia
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        44 Nov 26 15:46 hiltonia.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/hiltonia.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        37 Dec  2 14:42 impact -> /home/mailman/archives/private/impact
lrwxrwxrwx   1 mailman  mailman        42 Dec  2 14:42 impact.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/impact.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        34 Nov 26 15:46 itf -> /home/mailman/archives/private/itf
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 itf.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/itf.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        34 Nov 26 15:46 jpc -> /home/mailman/archives/private/jpc
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 jpc.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/jpc.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        34 Nov 26 15:46 mcp -> /home/mailman/archives/private/mcp
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 mcp.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/mcp.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 njccasst -> /home/mailman/archives/private/njccasst
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        44 Nov 26 15:46 njccasst.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/njccasst.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 njccpres -> /home/mailman/archives/private/njccpres
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        44 Nov 26 15:46 njccpres.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/njccpres.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        36 Nov 26 15:46 njcfs -> /home/mailman/archives/private/njcfs
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        41 Nov 26 15:46 njcfs.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/njcfs.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        40 Nov 30 17:04 nynjpaeta -> /home/mailman/archives/private/nynjpaeta
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        45 Nov 30 17:04 nynjpaeta.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/nynjpaeta.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        34 Nov 26 15:46 tvc -> /home/mailman/archives/private/tvc
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        39 Nov 26 15:46 tvc.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/tvc.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        37 Nov 26 15:46 vision -> /home/mailman/archives/private/vision
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        42 Nov 26 15:46 vision.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/vision.mbox
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        36 Nov 29 12:18 xyzzy -> /home/mailman/archives/private/xyzzy
lrwxrwxrwx   1 pjh      mailman        41 Nov 29 12:18 xyzzy.mbox -> /home/mailman/archives/private/xyzzy.mbox

Thanks,
Pete




From pjh at mccc.edu  Fri Dec  3 16:34:20 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:34:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912031027340.2722-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

Got 28 of these this morning (I have 30 lists!), all at the
same time:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:42:05 -0500
From: Cron Daemon <root at saturn.mccc.edu>
To: mailman at listserv.mccc.edu
Subject: Cron <mailman at saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory


Previous and subsequent run_queues seemed OK.

I'm perplexed. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Pete




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Fri Dec  3 16:42:38 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:42:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python
 /home/mailman/cron/run_queue (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912031027340.2722-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912031039420.27082-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

i had a similar problem recently and had to do:

  rm ~mailman/locks/\<site\>*

to fix things.

you may want to do an 'ls -l' of locks/\<site\>* first and see what the
ownership and permissions are.  i would guess that they are owned and
writeable by a user other than the mailman admin user or the web server
user.

i think in my case, i had been mucking about in mailman as root and the
files ended up as being only root writeable.


On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Pete Holsberg wrote:

> Got 28 of these this morning (I have 30 lists!), all at the
> same time:
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:42:05 -0500
> From: Cron Daemon <root at saturn.mccc.edu>
> To: mailman at listserv.mccc.edu
> Subject: Cron <mailman at saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
>     lockfile.lock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
>     os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
> 
> 
> Previous and subsequent run_queues seemed OK.
> 
> I'm perplexed. Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

--
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Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  L8S 4M1     \




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Fri Dec  3 16:52:47 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:52:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LogMsg problem
In-Reply-To: <14407.21249.279263.173837@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912031043540.27082-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

>     TP> It seems that, in general, the use of LogMsg is inconsistent.
> 
> You're right about that.  It would be a good thing to clean up the use
> of LogMsg.  I usually do the substitution before passing it to LogMsg,
> but some of the older code does it the other way.
> 
>     TP> Any opinions about whether this is
>     TP> a good idea, whether it will work, or whether there is a
>     TP> better way to approach this problem?
> 
>     |         try:
>     |             logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
>     |         except:
>     |             logf.write(msg + '\n')
> 
> Just a point of Python style.  It's almost never appropriate to use a
> "bare" except like this because it can mask unexpected exceptions.  In
> this case using "except TypeError" would do the trick.

ok, thanks for the tip.

> This is probably okay as a stopgap, but it would be better to make the
> use of LogMsg more consistent.

it wouldn't be a big job.  there are only about 50 occurrences of LogMsg
calls in all files under the Mailman python directory, and of these, only
about 20 seem to have '%' substitution characters in the msg argument:

  cd ~mailman/Mailman
  grep LogMsg * | grep '%' | wc

the ones that pass an arg tuple would simply have to be changed so that
the ',' between the msg and args arguments is a '%' to do the
substitutions before the call.  then, remove the '%' substitution in
LogMsg.

--
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Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
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From pjh at mccc.edu  Fri Dec  3 16:54:58 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:54:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python
 /home/mailman/cron/run_queue (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912031039420.27082-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912031052150.4480-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Todd Pfaff wrote:

> i had a similar problem recently and had to do:
> 
>   rm ~mailman/locks/\<site\>*
> 
> to fix things.
> 
> you may want to do an 'ls -l' of locks/\<site\>* first
> and see what the ownership and permissions are.  i would
> guess that they are owned and writeable by a user other
> than the mailman admin user or the web server user.
> 
> i think in my case, i had been mucking about in mailman
> as root and the files ended up as being only root
> writeable.


Here's the contents of locks:

saturn [pjh] 10:53:13 /home/mailman > ls -al locks
total 22
drwxrwxrwx   2 pjh      mailman      2048 Dec  3 10:53 .
drwxrwsr-x  17 mailman  mailman      1024 Nov 29 14:20 ..
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        77 Dec  2 14:42 <site>.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 ac.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 account-list.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 adj.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 aoa.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 aoadl.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 aoagene.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        76 Dec  2 15:30 ccnet.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 bin      mailman        82 Dec  3 05:08 dd.archiver.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        73 Dec  3 05:08 dd.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        75 Dec  2 14:41 dlsc.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 eli97.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 epo.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 bin      mailman        85 Dec  2 17:02 et124.archiver.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        76 Dec  2 17:04 et124.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 hiltonia.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        77 Dec  2 15:01 impact.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 itf.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 jpc.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 mcp.lock
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman        82 Dec  3 07:12 mmqueue_run.lock
-rw-rw-r--   6 mailman  mailman        82 Dec  3 06:42 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15071
-rw-rw-r--   6 mailman  mailman        82 Dec  3 06:42 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15250
-rw-rw-r--   2 pjh      sys            82 Dec  3 06:42 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15319
-rw-rw-r--   6 mailman  mailman        82 Dec  3 06:42 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15527
-rw-rw-r--   6 mailman  mailman        82 Dec  3 06:42 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15585
-rw-rw-r--   6 mailman  mailman        82 Dec  3 06:42 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15681
-rw-rw-r--   6 mailman  mailman        82 Dec  3 06:42 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15775
-rw-rw-r--   2 pjh      sys            82 Dec  3 06:42 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15898
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman        82 Dec  3 07:12 mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.16350
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 njccasst.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 njccpres.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 njcfs.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 nynjpaeta.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        74 Dec  2 16:52 tvc.lock
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Dec  2 14:25 vision.lock

Note all the mqueue*saturn* ones. They were gen'd at the
time of those error messages. Shall I just leave them?

Thanks,
Pete




From pjh at mccc.edu  Fri Dec  3 16:56:45 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:56:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912031055290.4480-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

I got two of these, probably for the other 2 list.

In the previous message, you wil lsee that the file is
owned by pjh, while the 28 othes are owned by mailman.

How did that happen?

Thanks,
Pete

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:42:19 -0500
From: Cron Daemon <root at saturn.mccc.edu>
To: mailman at listserv.mccc.edu
Subject: Cron <mailman at saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 190, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 141, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/mmqueue_run.lock.saturn.mccc.edu.15898'




From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Dec  3 19:03:31 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:03:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending messages
Message-ID: <384805F2.D3ADAB39@isu.edu>

Can mailman be configured to send e-mails in small batches with several
minute pauses in between? When it tries to send hundreds (or even
thousands) of messages as quickly as it can, it can cause problems.


--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 19:20:03 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:20:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending messages 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kory Wheatley <wheakory@isu.edu> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:03:31 MST." <384805F2.D3ADAB39@isu.edu> 
References: <384805F2.D3ADAB39@isu.edu> 
Message-ID: <E11txJM-0000eO-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:03:31 -0700 
Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> wrote:

> Can mailman be configured to send e-mails in small batches with
> several minute pauses in between? When it tries to send hundreds
> (or even thousands) of messages as quickly as it can, it can cause
> problems.

I'm not sure what problem you are trying to resolve here (I may have
been over zealous with the delete key earlier in the thread), but I
suspect that the real problem is not what you think it is.

The easiest way to control such things is at the MTA level.  Good
MTAs can have a variety of limits set:

  Max number of inbound connections
  Max number of messages received on a connection.
  System load at which to stop trying to send messages and queue only instead
  Max system load to accept messages at

etc.

Fiddle with these, as appropriate to your MTA, and you should be
able to get what you're asking for,

Note: Sendmail is pathologically bad at handling large spools.  This
is actually the main reason it is not used at large mail sites (bad
security they think they can live with, bad performance they can't
even contemplate).  Postfix, Exim, QMail and even SMail are
significantly more efficient at emptying large spools quickly with
minimum fuss than Sendmail.  Example:

  Given a bunch of messages all addressed to bubba at redneck.com which
  arrived at various times over the last couple hours and which are
  sitting in your spool:

    Sendmail will work thru the spool in order, and upon
    encountering one of these messages, will attempt to deliver it,
    and will then move on to the next message in order in the spool
    no matter if they successfully delivered the message.  This is
    dumb.

    More intelligent MTAs will work thru the spool, encounter a
    bubba at redneck.com message, attempt to deliver it, and if
    successfull will then immediately try and deliver every other
    messaage they have waiting for redneck.com, often forking other
    queue runners to attempt multiple deliveries in parallel to
    redneck.com to get the queue emptied as fast as possible.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec  3 19:21:24 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:21:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases file does not be changed ??? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham@vdata.co.uk> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:52:03 GMT." <E11tpNj-0006N0-00@rioja.localnet> 
References: <E11tpNj-0006N0-00@rioja.localnet> 
Message-ID: <E11txKe-0000fM-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:52:03 +0000 
Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk> wrote:

> 	http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

Thanks -- this is exactly what I was talking about (and done more
neatly than Nick Moffit did it to boot!).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri Dec  3 23:06:47 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:06:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist, rmlist, sendmail alias management
In-Reply-To: <E11tmtd-0002iy-00@dingo.kanga.nu> from "J C Lawrence" at Dec 2, 99 11:12:20 pm
Message-ID: <199912032206.QAA10977@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Dec  4 00:02:07 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:02:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist, rmlist, sendmail alias management 
In-Reply-To: Message from Christopher Lindsey <lindsey@ncsa.uiuc.edu> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:06:47 CST." <199912032206.QAA10977@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> 
References: <199912032206.QAA10977@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> 
Message-ID: <E11u1iK-0002Cx-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:06:47 -0600 (CST) 
Christopher Lindsey <lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:

>> Tis is not what I'm writing about about above.  I'm writing about
>> having no alias file at all, about there not being a file
>> anywhere on the system that lists the mail aliased for the
>> various lists, about there being no file that encludes lines like
>> the following:

> This is still possible with sendmail.  It would involve a script
> and the user class of sendmail's K command, but is doable.

No doubt, or to whit: Anything may be accomplished once your have a
scripting language.  Heck the Towers of Hanoi in sendmail.cf was
enough...

> I personally prefer to call procmail first, as it tends to be more
> extensible for multiple situations like this.

Have you looked at maildrop?  I use procmail heavily but have never
been totally happy with it.  Maildrop promises to be at least
somewhat better and a mite more extensible..

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Sat Dec  4 00:19:53 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:19:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist, rmlist, sendmail alias management
In-Reply-To: <E11u1iK-0002Cx-00@dingo.kanga.nu> from "J C Lawrence" at Dec 3, 99 03:02:07 pm
Message-ID: <199912032319.RAA11367@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From larry at herzog.net  Sat Dec  4 04:26:00 1999
From: larry at herzog.net (Larry Herzog)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:26:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use of Mailman
Message-ID: <008a01bf3e07$4a3a6f60$da2410d0@acer>

HELP!!!

We have been using listbox.com to host our 350-400 person Iowa State Council
of the Society for Human Resource Management Discussion List.  For about the
past year, the list has been using Mailman software, which we love.  Now
Listbox is sending us back to Majordomo, which was used prior to switching
to Mailman... Unless Majordomo has changed, this means no web-based
interactivity for our subscribers (unless of course, I want to spend a bunch
of my time writing scripts for them to use through our web site).  OUCH!

Does anyone know of (a) commercial listhosting service(s) with a solid
commitment to Mailman that we could move our list to on or about December
10?
_______________
Larry Herzog
larry at herzog.net
www.herzog.net

_____________________________________________________________

Dear Listowner,

As you may recall when we set up your mailman list, it was
as a trial of an experimental platform.

Unfortunately, we have decided that it does not suit our
customer's needs well enough.  Therefore, we are
discontinuing the use of the mailman system, effective
December 10.

At that point we will be moving your mailman configurations
as best as possible.  We also have functionality to provide
web-based archives.  If you have use for these archives
please contact us to set them up.

Your default posting domain will become listbox.com, but we
will continue to forward requests and posts from
mailman.pobox.com for one month.

We apologize for any inconvenience this might cause.

If you have any questions, please contact us.

cheers
Listbox Customer Service
support at listbox.com
http://listbox.com








From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sat Dec  4 04:41:30 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:41:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use of Mailman
References: <008a01bf3e07$4a3a6f60$da2410d0@acer>
Message-ID: <14408.36202.943674.347093@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

    | As you may recall when we set up your mailman list, it was
    | as a trial of an experimental platform.

    | Unfortunately, we have decided that it does not suit our
    | customer's needs well enough.  Therefore, we are
    | discontinuing the use of the mailman system, effective
    | December 10.

Well that sucks.  I wish they would have given some more details about
their reasons.

-Barry



From fred at derf.net  Sat Dec  4 12:24:24 1999
From: fred at derf.net (Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:24:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apache ScriptAlias problem...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912040318360.19579-100000@guido.derf.net>

so i'm installing mailman, and everything was going fine up until i got to
the part where i first try to access the admin web page for my test list.

i get 404s for anything within http://some.domain/mailman/ .  now, i know,
this is the very first question in the faq.  but i've done what the faq
says and it still doesn't work.  

here's what i added to my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:

# stuff for mailman
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /mailmanlogo/ /home/mailman/logo/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /home/mailman/archives/public>
Options FollowSymLinks
</Directory>

any idea why apache might not obey the ScriptAlias directive?
incidentally, the two Aliases there don't seem to work either.

and yes, i have restarted httpd, by running "/etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd stop"
and then "... start".

oh, by the way, this is on redhat 5.2...  and in case there's any reason
it might affect anything, i have apache doing virtual hosting...

thanks for any help!  i'm really stuck!

...derF\lieN

Neil "Fred" Picciotto -=- fred at derf.net
new and improved! -=- http://www.derf.net/ -=- now with actual content!






From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Sat Dec  4 13:24:00 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:24:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apache ScriptAlias problem...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912040318360.19579-100000@guido.derf.net>; from fred@derf.net on Sat, Dec 04, 1999 at 03:24:24AM -0800
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912040318360.19579-100000@guido.derf.net>
Message-ID: <19991204132400.A24420@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

On Sat, Dec 04, 1999 at 03:24:24AM -0800, Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto wrote:
> so i'm installing mailman, and everything was going fine up until i got to
> the part where i first try to access the admin web page for my test list.
> i get 404s for anything within http://some.domain/mailman/ .  now, i know,
> this is the very first question in the faq.  but i've done what the faq
> says and it still doesn't work.  
> # stuff for mailman
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
> Alias /mailmanlogo/ /home/mailman/logo/
> Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> <Directory /home/mailman/archives/public>
> Options FollowSymLinks
> </Directory>
> oh, by the way, this is on redhat 5.2...  and in case there's any reason
> it might affect anything, i have apache doing virtual hosting...

you might want to try to move the directives inside the virtualhost part instead
of having them in the global config...

Ricardo.

--




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Dec  4 18:29:52 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 09:29:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use of Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Larry Herzog" <larry@herzog.net> 
   of "Fri, 03 Dec 1999 21:26:00 CST." <008a01bf3e07$4a3a6f60$da2410d0@acer> 
References: <008a01bf3e07$4a3a6f60$da2410d0@acer> 
Message-ID: <E11uJ0L-0005eJ-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:26:00 -0600 
Larry Herzog <larry at herzog.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know of (a) commercial listhosting service(s) with a
> solid commitment to Mailman that we could move our list to on or
> about December 10?

If you don't find anything, pipe up again.  I'm sure one of us would
be willing to host you while you worked out more permanent
arrangements.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From fred at derf.net  Sat Dec  4 23:28:07 1999
From: fred at derf.net (Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:28:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apache ScriptAlias problem...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912040318360.19579-100000@guido.derf.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912041415090.20417-100000@guido.derf.net>

i wrote:

> i get 404s for anything within http://some.domain/mailman/ .  now, i know,
> this is the very first question in the faq.  but i've done what the faq
> says and it still doesn't work.  

thanks to everyone who mailed me with their apache config file fragments.
i figured out the thing i needed from one of those fragments.  this is
what i now have in my httpd.conf (and it works):

# stuff for mailman
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /mailmanlogo/ /home/mailman/logo/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /home/mailman>
allow from all
Options FollowSymLinks
</Directory>

the key was that i didn't have "allow from all" in any <Directory>
directive which included the mailman stuff.  seems like that should be
mentioned in the INSTALL doc...

though i'm not sure whether allowing from all for all of /home/mailman is
too permissive -- maybe i should have separate <Directory> directives for
each of the three directories i am Aliasing into, and put "allow from all"
for each one, and "Options FollowSymLinks" only for archives/public/...  
anyone see any reason this would matter?

thanks again!

...derF\lieN

Neil "Fred" Picciotto -=- fred at derf.net
new and improved! -=- http://www.derf.net/ -=- now with actual content!





From mfidelman at civicnet.org  Sat Dec  4 23:38:47 1999
From: mfidelman at civicnet.org (Miles Fidelman)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:38:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem w/ GID setting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912041415090.20417-100000@guido.derf.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9912041733220.21098-100000@ntcorp.dn.net>

I'm trying to get mailman set up, and I seem to have run into a GID
problem.

After configuring, compiling, and installing Mailman, setting up a test
list, and adding a scriptAlias to my Apache httpd.conf file, I get this
when trying to access the URL provided in response to a newlist:

-------
Mailman CGI error!!!

The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set
by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being
stored in your syslog:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65540, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to
take 60001?)
-------
The thing is, that when I did the initial configure, I did it with the
following command:

./configure --with-cgi-gid='neigh artsadmin nobody'

65540 is the GID for group "mailman"

60001 is the GID for nobody, which is what the server is running as, and
which (I thought) I had properly configured into the Makefile

any thoughts on where I should start looking to find out what's wrong?

Thanks,

Miles Fidelman
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From pjh at mccc.edu  Mon Dec  6 01:50:15 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:50:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912051949290.2283-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

Does this mean that these lists have only public archives?

Should I be concerned about the messages?

Thanks,
Pete

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 03:27:03 -0500
From: Cron Daemon <root at saturn.mccc.edu>
To: mailman at listserv.mccc.edu
Subject: Cron <mailman at saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

List mcp has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/mcp
List njccasst has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njccasst
List njccpres has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njccpres
List epo has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/epo
List aoagene has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/aoagene
List eli97 has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/eli97
List njcfs has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njcfs
List aoadl has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/aoadl
List vision has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/vision
List jpc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/jpc
List tvc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/tvc
List nynjpaeta has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/nynjpaeta
List ccnet has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/ccnet
List dlsc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/dlsc
List impact has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/impact




From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Dec  6 06:08:57 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:08:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
In-Reply-To: <14404.24565.971070.154861@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from Barry A. Warsaw on Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 06:38:29PM -0500
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911301443390.25409-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu> <14404.24565.971070.154861@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19991205210857.C5829@merlins.org>

On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 06:38:29PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> Note that the password is crypt()d (usually, unless your Python
> doesn't have the crypt module, in which case it's md5'd).

I know this is an old mail, but I was wondering was is crypt not just a
fallback? I'd much rather have MD5 be the default...

With a recent python, can I force mailman to use MD5 instead of crypt?

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From richarde at eskom.co.za  Mon Dec  6 07:43:52 1999
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:43:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the
	use of Mailman
Message-ID: <s84b77ce.057@eskom.co.za>

>
>    | As you may recall when we set up your mailman list, it was
>    | as a trial of an experimental platform.
>
>    | Unfortunately, we have decided that it does not suit our
>    | customer's needs well enough.  Therefore, we are
>    | discontinuing the use of the mailman system, effective
>    | December 10.
>
>Well that sucks.  I wish they would have given some more details about
>their reasons.

Probably that bounce detection is not working too well and is clogging up their mail queues. I know I had to do quite a lot of work at my site to get bounces working correctly with my massive mailing lists.

There was a little discussion a while back around this issue on the list. Still seams fairly difficult to handle. So, not to be like the rest and to just complain, here is an interim suggestion.

Why not move the regex's used for bounce detection to an external file as an interim measure. This will allow patterns to be easily added without having to modify the source (as I had to do). In most cases with a little trouble, a regex can be written to extract the e-mail addresses. This will have to happen on a line basis and the regex's will have to be called for each line. Is this efficient?

The second most important issue is probably internationalization. Not relevant here, but people must understant that if their applications want to hit the big time (especially in todays Internet driven world), then they must cater for all languages.

--
Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za




From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.VA.US  Mon Dec  6 17:11:05 1999
From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.VA.US (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:11:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem w/ GID setting
References: <14411.9309.498741.516039@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<Pine.GSO.4.05.9912060626120.20026-100000@ntcorp.dn.net>
Message-ID: <14411.57369.252969.942637@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MF" == Miles Fidelman <mfidelman at civicnet.org> writes:

    MF> thanks, and.... drat... that's at odds with the documentation,
    MF> and makes it harder to use Mailman when supporting multiple
    MF> virtual domains, sigh..

The documentation (INSTALL file) says:

      --with-cgi-gid=<group-or-groups>
            Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
            CGI wrapper.  <group-or-groups> can be a list of one or
            more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
            value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
            used.  By default, the value is the the list `www www-data
            nobody'.

so it's clearly not at odds with the docs (unless there's some other
file you're looking at?)

As for making it harder for virtual domains, you're going to have to
explain this in more detail.  I don't see how virtual domains would
affect the gid that your web server runs cgis as.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.VA.US  Mon Dec  6 17:12:07 1999
From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.VA.US (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:12:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911301443390.25409-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
	<14404.24565.971070.154861@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<19991205210857.C5829@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <14411.57431.180792.280389@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> writes:

    MM> With a recent python, can I force mailman to use MD5 instead
    MM> of crypt?

Set this in mm_cfg.py:

USE_CRYPT = 0



From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.VA.US  Mon Dec  6 07:57:41 1999
From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.VA.US (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:57:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the
	use of Mailman
References: <s84b77ce.055@eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <14411.24165.697335.343994@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "RE" == Richard Ellerbrock <richarde at eskom.co.za> writes:

    RE> Probably that bounce detection is not working too well and is
    RE> clogging up their mail queues.

    RE> The second most important issue is probably
    RE> internationalization.

Good news on both fronts.  I've got a start on a redesign of the
bounce detection code so that the format recognizers are modularized.
I've got RFC 1894 (i.e. DSN) format, Qmail, and Postfix formats
working.  Well, as best as I can tell, since the latter two are all
guess work :(

I need to get the old code ported over (and hopefully sane-itized :)
and then I'm checking the stuff in.  I've also got a simple framework
for testing on bounce formats, so eventually we can just add more
specialized recognizers.

On the I18N front, Juan Carlos Rey and Victoriano Giralt have, I
believe, a working version of internationalized Mailman.  They've
signed the FSF papers, so I expect the next release will have support
for multiple languages.

Stay tuned, or keep an eye on mailman-developers and the CVS tree.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.VA.US  Mon Dec  6 03:50:05 1999
From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.VA.US (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:50:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem w/ GID setting
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912041415090.20417-100000@guido.derf.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.05.9912041733220.21098-100000@ntcorp.dn.net>
Message-ID: <14411.9309.498741.516039@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MF" == Miles Fidelman <mfidelman at civicnet.org> writes:

    MF> ./configure --with-cgi-gid='neigh artsadmin nobody'

Only the first existing gid is compiled into the wrapper programs.
Try --with-cgi-gid=nobody

-Barry



From klaubert at bcb.gov.br  Mon Dec  6 11:58:57 1999
From: klaubert at bcb.gov.br (Klaubert Herr da Silveira)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:58:57 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Data format error" in sendmail maillog
Message-ID: <384B96F1.863259A1@bcb.gov.br>

Anybody know what is "stat=Data format error" in sendmail maillog, when
a queue has not sent to destination.

And why the mailman list administrator do not receive a error message?

Other thing that I need to know is why the sendmail freeze when is
sending a queue of messages, whats happen?

tanks,
Klaubert Herr




From framling at sch.bme.hu  Mon Dec  6 15:11:00 1999
From: framling at sch.bme.hu (<framling> Barton Andras)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:11:00 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can i somehow test the wrapper program?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911101132160.17400-100000@heaven.gigo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.9912061507160.23823-100000@balu>

Hi

i've just installed mailman, but unfortunatly it can not send
mails. (except mail for the new subscribers, if i put them on the list as 
administrator)
how can i test the $prefix/mail/wrapper program? Is there documentation
for it? Or maybe somwhat else is my problem?


thanks a lot

Andras Barton (Hungary)

sziakoszi
		framling

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From skip at mojam.com  Sun Dec  5 20:10:40 1999
From: skip at mojam.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 13:10:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie sgid problems/questions
Message-ID: <199912051910.NAA03153@dolphin.mojam.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with a newbie question without being subscribed to
the list or perusing the archives, but www.python.org is unavailable at the
moment and I'm heading out of town for a few days and would like this not to
sit unresolved for a week if possible.  I didn't see my problem addressed in
the FAQ

I installed mailman on my RH 5.2 system with the following configure
command:

   ./configure  --with-cgi-gid=httpd --prefix=/home/dolphin/mailman

Everything went fine until I tried to add a new user to a newly created
list.  The confirmation reply bombed with the following in /var/log/maillog:

    Dec  5 09:56:59 dolphin smrsh: uid 2: attempt to use wrapper mailcmd rma

No problemo.  Just add the appropriate symlink.

Then I got:

    Dec  5 10:17:02 dolphin Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
      script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)

Group 12 is "mail".  Group 2 is "daemon".  Okay, so I manually changed the
group for mail/wrapper to "mail".  No change.  Realizing there is some
checking code in the wrapper program itself, I tried "make clean" and then
reconfigured with

    ./configure  --with-cgi-gid=1000 --prefix=/home/dolphin/mailman --with-mail-gid=12

(1000 == httpd, 12 == mail)

Upon installation (as user "skip"), the mail/wrapper program was still group
"mailman" (the setgid bit was set however), so as root I manually changed
its group to mail.  I still get the same "Failure to exec" message in
/var/log/maillog.

The installation instructions explicitly said to not perform the
build/install step as root:

    You should not be root while performing the steps in this section.
    Do them under your own login, or whatever account you typically
    install software as.

This is typically me (skip).

    However, make sure that you have write permissions to the target
    installation directory, and permission to create a setgid file in
    the file system where it resides (NFS and other mounts can be
    configured to inhibit setgid settings).

It doesn't complain when I install, but still installs the wrapper as group
"mailman".  Do I need to be in the group "mail"?

Thx,

Skip Montanaro | http://www.mojam.com/
skip at mojam.com | http://www.musi-cal.com/
847-971-7098   | Python: Programming the way Guido indented...





From andy at goingv.com  Mon Dec  6 17:22:39 1999
From: andy at goingv.com (Andy Ciordia)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:22:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still need help
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.9912061120100.13502-100000@argyle>

We keep recieving this type of error message once and a while to all of
our lists, this one is an example of someone sending a piece of mail to
webmaster yet mailman doesn't recognize it as a list.  I have posted this
before and recieved no response, can anyone give me any idea?  I've been
charged with finding an answer to these strange occurances but it
deffinatly makes whatever is being sent drop out from the list.

Help is appreciated,
-A

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/d0/mailman/mail/wrapper post webmaster"
    (expanded from: <webmaster at goingv.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/d0/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
  File "/d0/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 55, in __init__
    raise Errors.MMUnknownListError, 'list not found: %s' % name
MMUnknownListError: list not found: webmaster
554 "|/d0/mailman/mail/wrapper post webmaster"... unknown mailer error 1





From mfidelman at civicnet.org  Mon Dec  6 12:27:51 1999
From: mfidelman at civicnet.org (Miles Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:27:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem w/ GID setting
In-Reply-To: <14411.9309.498741.516039@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9912060626120.20026-100000@ntcorp.dn.net>

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> >>>>> "MF" == Miles Fidelman <mfidelman at civicnet.org> writes:
> 
>     MF> ./configure --with-cgi-gid='neigh artsadmin nobody'
> 
> Only the first existing gid is compiled into the wrapper programs.
> Try --with-cgi-gid=nobody

thanks, and.... drat... that's at odds with the documentation, and makes
it harder to use Mailman when supporting multiple virtual domains, sigh..

Miles

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From saille at bleah.com  Mon Dec  6 23:45:31 1999
From: saille at bleah.com (Saille Warner Norton)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:45:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie sgid problems/questions
In-Reply-To: <199912051910.NAA03153@dolphin.mojam.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991206144419.0099b260@pop.ipac.caltech.edu>

Add

MAILMAN_UID=    mail

to your Makefile, and recompile.

Saille


At 01:10 PM 12/05/1999 -0600, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>Sorry to bomb the list with a newbie question without being subscribed to
>the list or perusing the archives, but www.python.org is unavailable at the
>moment and I'm heading out of town for a few days and would like this not to
>sit unresolved for a week if possible.  I didn't see my problem addressed in
>the FAQ
>
>I installed mailman on my RH 5.2 system with the following configure
>command:
>
>    ./configure  --with-cgi-gid=httpd --prefix=/home/dolphin/mailman
>
>Everything went fine until I tried to add a new user to a newly created
>list.  The confirmation reply bombed with the following in /var/log/maillog:
>
>     Dec  5 09:56:59 dolphin smrsh: uid 2: attempt to use wrapper mailcmd rma
>
>No problemo.  Just add the appropriate symlink.
>
>Then I got:
>
>     Dec  5 10:17:02 dolphin Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
>       script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
>
>Group 12 is "mail".  Group 2 is "daemon".  Okay, so I manually changed the
>group for mail/wrapper to "mail".  No change.  Realizing there is some
>checking code in the wrapper program itself, I tried "make clean" and then
>reconfigured with
>
>     ./configure  --with-cgi-gid=1000 --prefix=/home/dolphin/mailman 
> --with-mail-gid=12
>
>(1000 == httpd, 12 == mail)
>
>Upon installation (as user "skip"), the mail/wrapper program was still group
>"mailman" (the setgid bit was set however), so as root I manually changed
>its group to mail.  I still get the same "Failure to exec" message in
>/var/log/maillog.
>
>The installation instructions explicitly said to not perform the
>build/install step as root:
>
>     You should not be root while performing the steps in this section.
>     Do them under your own login, or whatever account you typically
>     install software as.
>
>This is typically me (skip).
>
>     However, make sure that you have write permissions to the target
>     installation directory, and permission to create a setgid file in
>     the file system where it resides (NFS and other mounts can be
>     configured to inhibit setgid settings).
>
>It doesn't complain when I install, but still installs the wrapper as group
>"mailman".  Do I need to be in the group "mail"?
>
>Thx,
>
>Skip Montanaro | http://www.mojam.com/
>skip at mojam.com | http://www.musi-cal.com/
>847-971-7098   | Python: Programming the way Guido indented...
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bwilson at songline.com  Tue Dec  7 00:16:25 1999
From: bwilson at songline.com (Brian Wilson)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:16:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just another day using Mailman
Message-ID: <19991206231626.1EA1CB4C9@sunfighter>

I got this debug when I was in the process of approving a message to be sent 
to my
mailing list. Alas, I think I hit the browser 'back' and ended up resubmitting 
the same
message so multiple copies went out to about 20,000 people.

I like mailman but it sure is buggy still... hopefully I will be able to fix 
some of the bugs
as I am now being forced to learn some python.

After viewing the vetted messages in the web i/f I have to empty them out 
using the
3 line python program that someone sent to this list a few weeks ago, as the 
cgi seems
to croak whenever I use it with this....

> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main
>     HandleRequests(doc)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in
> HandleRequests
>     list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in
> HandleRequest
>     self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in
> HandlePostRequest
>     self.LogMsg("vette", note)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 835, in LogMsg
>     logf.write(msg % args + '\n') TypeError: not enough arguments for
> format string




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From allen at gist.net.au  Tue Dec  7 07:23:52 1999
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:53:52 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *just* the admin cgi breaks on my system
Message-ID: <199912070623.QAA21397@harper.gist.net.au>


I can access

http://server/mailman/listinfo/listname - no problems
http://server/mailman/admin - no problems
http://server/mailman/roster/listname - no problems
http://server/mailman/admin/listname  BIG PROBLEM

the web server does not report any errors.

The page does not even get a error.

I just get a dialog box saying:

Document Contains No Data
Try again later etc

if I change the gid of the user running the script, it comes back with an 
error about the wrong gid, so it appears that admin is dying somewhere and not 
playing nicely about it.


This is a second installation on the same system, the other installation works 
fine.

check_perms shows no problems.

any ideas?


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From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Tue Dec  7 09:32:26 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:32:26 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's idea of localhost
In-Reply-To: Message from Harald Meland <Harald.Meland@usit.uio.no> 
   of "06 Dec 1999 23:50:21 +0100." <d6dn1rnvg42.fsf@octarine.uio.no> 
Message-ID: <E11vG2s-0006tl-00@rioja.localnet>

I have found an interesting feature of mailman regarding where it sends 
its SMTP mail to.

Background:  The exim.org list handler failed over the weekend, helped 
by some abnormal web loads.  A new (bigger) box was prepared and 
swapped in, all content was carried over, but the system refused to 
send mail.

I finally discovered that although the SmtpHost was set to localhost 
(which maps in the hosts file to 127.0.0.1), Mailman appeared to be 
attempting to connect to the IP address returned by a lookup on the 
current hostname - in this case the hostname was set to a temporary 
value during the rebuild and had no hosts or DNS A record.  This caused 
all mail send out by mailman to fail.

The fix is to make sure that there is a mapping in your hosts file for 
the machine hostname as returned by hostname or uname.

	Nigel.
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From julian7 at kva.hu  Tue Dec  7 12:33:23 1999
From: julian7 at kva.hu (Balazs Nagy)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:33:23 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can i somehow test the wrapper program?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.9912061507160.23823-100000@balu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912071215480.1941-100000@krondor.kva.hu>

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, <framling> Barton Andras wrote:

> i've just installed mailman, but unfortunatly it can not send
> mails. (except mail for the new subscribers, if i put them on the list as 
> administrator)

Nope.  It *can* send mails.  It cannot receive them.

> how can i test the $prefix/mail/wrapper program? Is there documentation
> for it? Or maybe somwhat else is my problem?

Check logs.  /var/log/messages, /var/log/maillog and /home/mailman/logs/*.
-- 
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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec  7 13:59:23 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 07:59:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *just* the admin cgi breaks on my system
References: <199912070623.QAA21397@harper.gist.net.au>
Message-ID: <14413.1195.598701.87704@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "AB" == Allen Bolderoff <allen at gist.net.au> writes:

    AB> if I change the gid of the user running the script, it comes
    AB> back with an error about the wrong gid, so it appears that
    AB> admin is dying somewhere and not playing nicely about it.

    AB> This is a second installation on the same system, the other
    AB> installation works fine.

Does anything get printed in logs/error?

-Barry



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Tue Dec  7 15:28:02 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:28:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make footer appear in archives?
Message-ID: <384D1972.D11375AD@admin.aurora.edu>



Nathalie (volt at cybercable.fr) wrote:
>
>Hey christopher,
>I am using mailman for the mailling list nettime-fr, a francophone
version of
>nettime (<http://www.nettime.org>http://www.nettime.org).
>I am (with 2 other person) the administrator.
>I would like the archive to be public, however, I also would like (for
>security
>reasons you mentioned in your manuel) to have the footer apear in the
>archive, I
>can't see anywhere, how to make this happen.
>If you could let me know that would be of great help.
>I hope you are the right person to contact, if not let me know whom,
>thank you for your time
>cordially
>Nathalie
>ps: mailman is great :-) for baby administrator like me.
>
> Nathalie--

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From pjh at mccc.edu  Tue Dec  7 15:52:00 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:52:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912070951270.23105-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

What is a bogus archive?

Thanks,
Pete
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:27:04 -0500
From: Cron Daemon <root at saturn.mccc.edu>
To: mailman at listserv.mccc.edu
Subject: Cron <mailman at saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

List mcp has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/mcp
List njccpres has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njccpres
List epo has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/epo
List aoagene has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/aoagene
List eli97 has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/eli97
List njcfs has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/njcfs
List aoadl has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/aoadl
List vision has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/vision
List jpc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/jpc
List nynjpaeta has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/nynjpaeta
List ccnet has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/ccnet
List dlsc has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/dlsc
List impact has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/impact




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Tue Dec  7 17:33:18 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:33:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just another day using Mailman
In-Reply-To: <19991206231626.1EA1CB4C9@sunfighter>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912071130320.14621-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

i posted a solution to this problem (or a very similar problem) a few days
ago.  check the recent mailman-users archives and look for postings from
me regarding LogMsg.

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Brian Wilson wrote:

> I got this debug when I was in the process of approving a message to be sent 
> to my
> mailing list. Alas, I think I hit the browser 'back' and ended up resubmitting 
> the same
> message so multiple copies went out to about 20,000 people.
> 
> I like mailman but it sure is buggy still... hopefully I will be able to fix 
> some of the bugs
> as I am now being forced to learn some python.
> 
> After viewing the vetted messages in the web i/f I have to empty them out 
> using the
> 3 line python program that someone sent to this list a few weeks ago, as the 
> cgi seems
> to croak whenever I use it with this....
> 
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
> >     main()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main
> >     HandleRequests(doc)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in
> > HandleRequests
> >     list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in
> > HandleRequest
> >     self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in
> > HandlePostRequest
> >     self.LogMsg("vette", note)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 835, in LogMsg
> >     logf.write(msg % args + '\n') TypeError: not enough arguments for
> > format string
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Brian Wilson <bwilson at oreilly.com>
> System administrator, O'Reilly Networks
> 101 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA 95472
> 707-829-6529 FAX 707-829-0104
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From adrian.joseph at guardian.co.uk  Tue Dec  7 19:06:57 1999
From: adrian.joseph at guardian.co.uk (Adrian Joseph)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:06:57 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change to ListAdmin.py to help with discarding problem messages
Message-ID: <07e501bf40dd$d9ae6ba0$09d5060a@3100.guardian.co.uk>

The following change to ListAdmin.py seems to help a problem I've had in the
past with discarding some junk return mail. As far as I know (ie I've no
idea but ...) it seems harmless and works for me, YMMV.

diff ListAdmin.py ListAdmin.py.orig
160c160
<                 'sender'   : strquote(msg.GetSender()),
---
>                 'sender'   : msg.GetSender(),




From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Tue Dec  7 22:19:16 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:19:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] seriously confused about dates...
Message-ID: <E11vS0y-0000xf-00@rioja.localnet>

Here's the (netscape mangled) output from the internal mailman archiver 
web page for one of my lists:-

 Week-of-Mon-19991206:
                         [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] 
                                                           [ Text 52 KB 
]
 Week-of-Mon-199912-1:
                         [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] 
                                                           [ Gzip'd 
Text 1 KB ]
 Week-of-Mon-19991129:
                         [ Thread ] [ Subject ] [ Author ] [ Date ] 
                                                           [ Gzip'd 
Text 49 KB ]


I am a tad concerned about the -1st of December - 29th November works 
for most people.  [I have previously seen problems with archiving 
during DST - since I am on GMT +0000 now and BST +0100 during the 
summer, sometimes the archiver corrects into a different day when 
working out dates.  However that shouldn't happen at this time of year.

	Nigel.
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From allen at gist.net.au  Tue Dec  7 23:06:11 1999
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 08:36:11 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *just* the admin cgi breaks on my system 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 Dec 1999 07:59:23 CDT."
             <14413.1195.598701.87704@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> 
Message-ID: <199912072206.IAA27458@harper.gist.net.au>

> 
> >>>>> "AB" == Allen Bolderoff <allen at gist.net.au> writes:
> 
>     AB> if I change the gid of the user running the script, it comes
>     AB> back with an error about the wrong gid, so it appears that
>     AB> admin is dying somewhere and not playing nicely about it.
> 
>     AB> This is a second installation on the same system, the other
>     AB> installation works fine.
> 
> Does anything get printed in logs/error?

Nothing shows up in any log. - I think it might be coring or something, however the web server does not allow core to be dumped.

I actually think it is a problm with the web server, as I can run admin from the command line with no problems, it brings up the list details.

I actually thing the web server might be having the problem. I just cannot find a whisper in *any* logs on the system.

OH well....


Allen

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From pjh at mccc.edu  Tue Dec  7 23:18:14 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:18:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Ownership
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912071716460.8433-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

What user(s) should be the owner(s) of the public archive
directories and files?

How about the private ones?

Thanks,
Pete




From pjh at mccc.edu  Tue Dec  7 23:20:45 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:20:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another archive query
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912071719510.8450-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

I noticed that many lists have two archive directories,
[listname] and [listname].mbox.

Is this explained anywhere?

Thanks,
Pete




From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Dec  7 23:49:35 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:49:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading from mailman 1.0 to mailman1.1
Message-ID: <384D8EFF.126DB1E2@isu.edu>

I upgraded from mailman1.0 to mailman 1.1 now I get a error when I try
to display my lists through the  listinfo page and admin page and I also
cannot send a message to the lists.

Heres the step I took for the upgrade
I untarred the file of course
ran "./configure"
ran "make install"
then I run "make update" which told me there was nothing to update.
It does show that version 1.1 was install when I run the version program

Here is the error I receive when I try to view my lists


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 59, in main
    FormatAdminOverview()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 192, in
FormatAdminOverview
    l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

Here is the error when I try to mail to a list

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 42, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in
__init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804,
in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373,
in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186,
in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
os.error: (13, 'Permission denied')
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
cccoverage"... unknown mailer error 1



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Everything you do must point to him.





From rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu  Tue Dec  7 23:55:26 1999
From: rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu (Rick Niess)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:55:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Ownership
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912071716460.8433-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912071653581.26999-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> What user(s) should be the owner(s) of the public archive
> directories and files?
> How about the private ones?

     Both should have the same ownership properties.  I haven't had a
problem with mine being owned by my username (not the mailman user) but
being owned by the mailman group.

						~ Rick Niess ~
--
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(   )   mouth gathers  (   )    University of Southern Miss.
 \ (      no foot!"     ) /     resnet at usm.edu
--\ )------------------(_/-------------------------------





From rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu  Wed Dec  8 00:07:06 1999
From: rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu (Rick Niess)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:07:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another archive query
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912071719510.8450-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912071655280.26999-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> I noticed that many lists have two archive directories,
> [listname] and [listname].mbox.
> Is this explained anywhere?

     I don't think it's *clearly* explained anywhere.  The gist of it is
that the [listname].mbox directory contains a file of the same name which
is a standard format mail file (the same UNIX format used by Elm, Pine,
and the old "mail" program).  The other archive directory (which should be
under the private directory) is where the indexed webified version of the
archives is stored.  The "arch" utility in the bin folder uses the .mbox
file as input to regenerate the webified archives should you need to
manually change them or something.  The .mbox file can also be handy if
you want to switch to an external archiver.  Both the .mbox file the
webified archive are updated by mailman every time a post goes through the
list. FYI...

						~ Rick ~
--
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(   )   mouth gathers  (   )    University of Southern Miss.
 \ (      no foot!"     ) /     resnet at usm.edu
--\ )------------------(_/-------------------------------





From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Dec  8 03:12:13 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:12:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting the reply to for a list
Message-ID: <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org>

I don't think the code lets you do that but I'll ask anyway:

Can I tell mailman to set the reply to for a list to a value of my choosing?
I have an announce list, and because too many bonehead users only know about
Reply to all, I have to bounce their answers all the time.
Instead, I'd like mailman to set the reply-to to another list.

Marc
-- 
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Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Dec  8 03:17:43 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:17:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cascading lists
Message-ID: <19991207181743.E29985@marc.merlins.org>

I've seen the umbrella_list and umbrella_member_suffix options, but in my
case, I have lists cascaded as such:

 events
   v
announce
   v
  talk

People on talk receive messages from announce, which itself receives the
messages from events.

People will subscribe to one of the three lists.

It looks like mailman would need a  special cascaded flag for a user so that
it doesn't  send the password  reminder there  (otherwise all the  people on
talk will receive a monthly password reminder from announce and events)

Also, it would save me from doing really ugly stuff like this:
afscv-talk:              "|sed -e 's/Subject: .Afscv-Announce. /Subject: /' -e '/mailing list/,$ d' | sed '$ d' | sed '$ d' |sed '$ d' |/var/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post afscv-talk"

I have to remove the [tag] and the lines added as a footer, otherwise they
pile up.

Are there plans to have mailman do this?

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From emarshal at logic.net  Wed Dec  8 03:53:52 1999
From: emarshal at logic.net (Edward S. Marshall)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:53:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use of Mailman
In-Reply-To: <14411.24165.697335.343994@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912072048150.13098-100000@labyrinth>

On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> I've got RFC 1894 (i.e. DSN) format, Qmail, and Postfix formats
> working.  Well, as best as I can tell, since the latter two are all
> guess work :(

Actually, they aren't guesswork; they both use the same bounce format
(QSBMF), and it's incredibly simple to deal with. The URL to see for DJB's
specification for it is:

        http://cr.yp.to/proto/qsbmf.txt

You'll probably be seeing DSN support coming for Postfix in a while too.

-- 
Edward S. Marshall <emarshal at logic.net>          http://www.xnet.com/~emarshal/
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[                  Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.                  ]




From chao at gcn.net.tw  Wed Dec  8 04:27:48 1999
From: chao at gcn.net.tw (Michael Chao)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:27:48 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP...
Message-ID: <NDBBJIBNEKDKOLJPNMMIAEDOCAAA.chao@gcn.net.tw>

After I install the Mailman on my RedHat Linux, I created a list "test",
everything seems fine.

But when I go to the link from the e-mail, I got the following error message...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
    logger = StampedLogger('error',
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please give me a hand and tell me how to do...
Thanks a lot!!



Michael
chao at gcn.net.tw
From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Dec  8 05:58:14 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:58:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use of Mailman
References: <14411.24165.697335.343994@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.9912072048150.13098-100000@labyrinth>
Message-ID: <14413.58726.246634.915307@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "ESM" == Edward S Marshall <emarshal at logic.net> writes:

    ESM> Actually, they aren't guesswork; they both use the same
    ESM> bounce format (QSBMF), and it's incredibly simple to deal
    ESM> with. The URL to see for DJB's specification for it is:

    ESM>         http://cr.yp.to/proto/qsbmf.txt

    ESM> You'll probably be seeing DSN support coming for Postfix in a
    ESM> while too.

Wonderful document, thanks for the pointer!  Next best thing to an RFC
:) Hopefully I can fold Qmail.py and Postfix.py into a single module
now.  BTW, there are MTAs out there with bounce formats that really
/do/ seem to require guesswork, er, reverse engineering.  Some are
even more horrible, containing nothing discernable as a mailing list
address at all. :(

Cool to hear that Postfix will soon be supporting DSN.  BTW, in
Python's case, it's actually rather easy to deal with MIME DSN
reports.  It could be trivial, but Python's MIME handling modules
could use a serious makeover.

Again, thanks for the pointer,
-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Dec  8 06:16:45 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:16:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use of Mailman
References: <14411.24165.697335.343994@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.9912072048150.13098-100000@labyrinth>
	<14413.58726.246634.915307@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <14413.59837.288025.436797@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

    BAW> Hopefully I can fold Qmail.py and Postfix.py into a single
    BAW> module now.

Actually, I looked again.  Postfix's bounce format is not strictly
QSBMF.  Oh well.

-Barry



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Dec  8 06:21:04 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:21:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting the reply to for a list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Marc Merlin <marc_news@valinux.com> 
   of "Tue, 07 Dec 1999 18:12:13 PST." <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org> 
References: <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org> 
Message-ID: <E11vZXE-0004o6-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:12:13 -0800 
Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> wrote:

> I don't think the code lets you do that but I'll ask anyway: Can I
> tell mailman to set the reply to for a list to a value of my
> choosing?  

As I mentioned to you while I was at VA, you can probably use the
custom header fields on the "Regular-member (non-digest) Options
Section" page to add a reply-to header there, and similarly for
digests, and then ignore the reply-to setting in the main options.

Untested, but it may work.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From robin.zwissler at s.wwl.de  Wed Dec  8 11:22:22 1999
From: robin.zwissler at s.wwl.de (Robin Zwissler)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:22:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailam confirmation
Message-ID: <001901bf4166$1d92e8e0$6800a8c0@WWLSTGT>

I need advise how I can - maybe trough
a special command - avoid the confirmation
mail.

I only have the option in the admin
confirm / require approval / confirm+approval

But I need a non confirmation subscription.

I know that it can be done (I subscriped to
such a list on the net).

Any hints (even for a special subscribe
command) would be helful.


Thanks
Robin




From emarshal at logic.net  Wed Dec  8 15:50:20 1999
From: emarshal at logic.net (Edward S. Marshall)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:50:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use
 of Mailman
In-Reply-To: <14413.59837.288025.436797@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912080849430.14677-100000@labyrinth>

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> Actually, I looked again.  Postfix's bounce format is not strictly
> QSBMF.  Oh well.

Agh, you're right on that count. Sorry about the misinformation. *sigh*
Everyone would rather reinvent the wheel...

-- 
Edward S. Marshall <emarshal at logic.net>          http://www.xnet.com/~emarshal/
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[                  Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.                  ]




From nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu  Wed Dec  8 17:04:51 1999
From: nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu (Nicholas Brenckle)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:04:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two features request - one on page, one in authorize post
Message-ID: <384E81A3.B76EED95@yale.edu>

Many of the lists we have here at campus are restricted in more ways
then allowed via the web page interfaces. Some are set to open posting
but to yale.edu addresses only. Some are set to
allow anyone from some yale and yale affiliate sites to post without
being on the list. Is there any way to add this feature? A regex for
posting addresses?

Also, on the "list info" can a column be added for posting status - ie:
Open, Limited, Moderated etc? As listmaster I get all sorts of questions
like "I sent this to a list and it said I wasn't authorized" [Self
explanatory I know, but it might help with the 3rd column]
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nicholas Brenckle                   Yale University School of Medicine
nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu                     ITS Med - PO Box 208089
203-737-2377                                  New Haven, CT 06520-8089





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Dec  8 17:19:08 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use of Mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912080849430.14677-100000@labyrinth>; from Edward S. Marshall on Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 08:50:20AM -0600
References: <14413.59837.288025.436797@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912080849430.14677-100000@labyrinth>
Message-ID: <19991208111908.J21349@xcski.com>

Quoting Edward S. Marshall (emarshal at logic.net):
> On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> > Actually, I looked again.  Postfix's bounce format is not strictly
> > QSBMF.  Oh well.
> 
> Agh, you're right on that count. Sorry about the misinformation. *sigh*
> Everyone would rather reinvent the wheel...

I'm sorry I missed a bunch of this discussion because my system crashed and my
backup tapes were munged.  But couldn't you just provide a hook where people
supply a regexp for finding the actual system response code and message in the
MTA they are using?  Provide defaults for the MTAs you know about, but let
people customize them if they are using something you don't know about.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Dec  8 18:27:28 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:27:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: My God! - Our List Host Is Dropping the use of Mailman
References: <14413.59837.288025.436797@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.9912080849430.14677-100000@labyrinth>
	<19991208111908.J21349@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <14414.38144.120406.479001@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "PT" == Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com> writes:

    PT> I'm sorry I missed a bunch of this discussion because my
    PT> system crashed and my backup tapes were munged.  But couldn't
    PT> you just provide a hook where people supply a regexp for
    PT> finding the actual system response code and message in the MTA
    PT> they are using?  Provide defaults for the MTAs you know about,
    PT> but let people customize them if they are using something you
    PT> don't know about.

That's exactly the architecture I'm now testing.  You'll be able to
drop in new bounce message scanning modules quite easily.  I'm just
trying to get some of the more common defaults (well, of the one's I'm
being bombarded with on python.org!)

-Barry



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Dec  8 19:51:37 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:51:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting the reply to for a list
In-Reply-To: <E11vZXE-0004o6-00@dingo.kanga.nu>; from J C Lawrence on Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:21:04PM -0800
References: <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org> <marc_news@valinux.com> <E11vZXE-0004o6-00@dingo.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <19991208105137.A11014@merlins.org>

On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:21:04PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > I don't think the code lets you do that but I'll ask anyway: Can I
> > tell mailman to set the reply to for a list to a value of my
> > choosing?  
> 
> As I mentioned to you while I was at VA, you can probably use the
> custom header fields on the "Regular-member (non-digest) Options
> Section" page to add a reply-to header there, and similarly for
> digests, and then ignore the reply-to setting in the main options.

It doesn't work, putting something there adds in to the body of the message,
not the headers.

Actually what I'd need as options for Reply-To is:
- none
- reply to list
- reply to sender (to force replies off list)
- reply to other Email.

As far as I know, mailman can let me do 1 and 2 but not 3 or 4

Marc
-- 
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Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Dec  8 20:01:23 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:01:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting the reply to for a list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Marc Merlin <marc_news@valinux.com> 
   of "Wed, 08 Dec 1999 10:51:37 PST." <19991208105137.A11014@merlins.org> 
References: <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org> <marc_news@valinux.com> <E11vZXE-0004o6-00@dingo.kanga.nu>  <19991208105137.A11014@merlins.org> 
Message-ID: <E11vmL5-0007po-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:51:37 -0800 
Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:21:04PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> As I mentioned to you while I was at VA, you can probably use the
>> custom header fields on the "Regular-member (non-digest) Options
>> Section" page to add a reply-to header there, and similarly for
>> digests, and then ignore the reply-to setting in the main
>> options.

> It doesn't work, putting something there adds in to the body of
> the message, not the headers.

Bugger.  That's probably why we never did it then.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Dec  8 20:22:28 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:22:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting the reply to for a list
In-Reply-To: <19991208105137.A11014@merlins.org>; from Marc Merlin on Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 10:51:37AM -0800
References: <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org> <marc_news@valinux.com> <E11vZXE-0004o6-00@dingo.kanga.nu> <19991208105137.A11014@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <19991208142228.A24099@xcski.com>

Quoting Marc Merlin (marc_news at valinux.com):
> It doesn't work, putting something there adds in to the body of the message,
> not the headers.
> 
> Actually what I'd need as options for Reply-To is:
> - none
> - reply to list
> - reply to sender (to force replies off list)
> - reply to other Email.
> 
> As far as I know, mailman can let me do 1 and 2 but not 3 or 4

If you do 3, you're overriding the Reply-To the sender himself set, and that's
a bad thing.  If you want replys to go to the sender, use 1.  Personally, I
could use '4', so that my announce-only mailing list could have replies going
to the chat mailing list.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From cguel at martini.super.unam.mx  Wed Dec  8 20:41:39 1999
From: cguel at martini.super.unam.mx (Juan Carlos Guel Lopez)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:41:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991208132839.13608K-100000@martini.super.unam.mx>

Hi to everybody!!!

Recently I've installed Mailman in a Digital Unix 4.0, Phyton 1.5.2 and
Mailman 1.1

Everything works fine, but when a subscriber tries to some list
it rejects the suscription and says something like that :

Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2


I've check the FAQ and related Help, but in the syslog everything works
fine here it is an excerpt of syslog :

Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 sendmail[4956]: AA04956:from=<cguel at ds5000.super.unam.mx
>, size=284, class=0, received from local
Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid  536869264, GOT gid 24.  (Reconfigure to take 15?)
Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 sendmail[15313]: AA04956: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wr
apper post asc", delay=00:00:00, stat=unknown mailer error 2

I ask if I have to ReRun ./configure with mailGID=536869264 ???

Actually Mailman has Group ID = mailman:*:24:

I ask too if somebody tries to Install Mailman in Digital Unix 4.0 or
OSF/1 4.0??

Thanks in Advance for your Help, any comments would be appreciated

Saludos
--JC GUEL





From cguel at martini.super.unam.mx  Wed Dec  8 20:45:24 1999
From: cguel at martini.super.unam.mx (Juan Carlos Guel Lopez)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:45:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991208132839.13608K-100000@martini.super.unam.mx>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991208134419.13608L-100000@martini.super.unam.mx>

Hi again!!

Digital Unix doesn't have a smrsh, sendmail.cf and sendmail.cw

So I think it's a Sendmail Problem???

Am I wrong??

Saludos
--JC GUEL

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Juan Carlos Guel Lopez wrote:

> 
> Hi to everybody!!!
> 
> Recently I've installed Mailman in a Digital Unix 4.0, Phyton 1.5.2 and
> Mailman 1.1
> 
> Everything works fine, but when a subscriber tries to some list
> it rejects the suscription and says something like that :
> 
> Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
> 
> I've check the FAQ and related Help, but in the syslog everything works
> fine here it is an excerpt of syslog :
> 
> Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 sendmail[4956]: AA04956:from=<cguel at ds5000.super.unam.mx
> >, size=284, class=0, received from local
> Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid  536869264, GOT gid 24.  (Reconfigure to take 15?)
> Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 sendmail[15313]: AA04956: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wr
> apper post asc", delay=00:00:00, stat=unknown mailer error 2
> 
> I ask if I have to ReRun ./configure with mailGID=536869264 ???
> 
> Actually Mailman has Group ID = mailman:*:24:
> 
> I ask too if somebody tries to Install Mailman in Digital Unix 4.0 or
> OSF/1 4.0??
> 
> Thanks in Advance for your Help, any comments would be appreciated
> 
> Saludos
> --JC GUEL
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Dec  8 21:44:34 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:44:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting the reply to for a list
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C19991208142228=2EA24099=40xcski=2Ecom=3E=3B_from_ptomb?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?lin=40xcski=2Ecom_on_mer=2C_d=E9c_08=2C_1999_at_02:22:28_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?-0500?=
References: <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org> <marc_news@valinux.com> <E11vZXE-0004o6-00@dingo.kanga.nu> <19991208105137.A11014@merlins.org> <19991208142228.A24099@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <19991208124434.D17754@marc.merlins.org>

On mer, d?c 08, 1999 at 02:22:28 -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> > Actually what I'd need as options for Reply-To is:
> > - none
> > - reply to list
> > - reply to sender (to force replies off list)
> > - reply to other Email.
> 
> If you do 3, you're overriding the Reply-To the sender himself set, and that's
> a bad thing.  If you want replys to go to the sender, use 1.  Personally, I

Yes, I'm a strong believer in setting reply to considered harmful
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

However, I'm also tired of bonehead users who hit group reply every single
time. However, what mailman should probably offer is:

2a reply to list no matter what
2b reply to list only if reply-to isn't already set

3a reply-to sender no matter what
3b reply-to sender only if reply-to isn't already set

4a reply to other Email no matter what
4b reply to other Email only if reply-to isn't already set.

I'd personally  never use 2a,  3a, or  4a, but even  if I consider  them bad
choices, I don't like to take choice away from people.

Marc
-- 
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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec  9 06:14:59 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:14:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting the reply to for a list
References: <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org>
	<marc_news@valinux.com>
	<E11vZXE-0004o6-00@dingo.kanga.nu>
	<19991208105137.A11014@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <14415.15059.168108.691175@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> writes:

    MM> It doesn't work, putting something there adds in to the body
    MM> of the message, not the headers.

Which is what I think it's supposed to do, although the description
text is slightly misleading.

-Barry



From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Dec  9 08:37:28 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:37:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting the reply to for a list
In-Reply-To: <14415.15059.168108.691175@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from Barry A. Warsaw on Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 12:14:59AM -0500
References: <19991207181212.D29985@marc.merlins.org> <marc_news@valinux.com> <E11vZXE-0004o6-00@dingo.kanga.nu> <19991208105137.A11014@merlins.org> <14415.15059.168108.691175@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19991208233728.H24342@merlins.org>

On Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 12:14:59AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "MM" == Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> writes:
> 
>     MM> It doesn't work, putting something there adds in to the body
>     MM> of the message, not the headers.
> 
> Which is what I think it's supposed to do, although the description
> text is slightly misleading.

No it's actually clear,  but when you have a hammer  everything looks like a
nail :-)

Although I've already given my wish on the different options for Reply-To in
some future version, it could also be  useful to allow the setting of random
headers, just like you can add random text before the body of the message.

Thanks,
Marc
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From nick at zork.net  Thu Dec  9 08:50:08 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:50:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist, rmlist, sendmail alias management
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912022238430.24268-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>; from Todd Pfaff on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 11:07:16PM -0500
References: <E11thPG-0007Yq-00@koala.kanga.nu> <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912022238430.24268-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <19991208235008.I14205@zork.net>

Quoting Todd Pfaff:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 claw at kanga.nu wrote:
> > In fact, there's an Exim stanza wandering about right now done by
> > Nick Moffit

	"Moffitt", actually.  And I can't claim full credit for it, as
it is based on some work that appears on the exim web site (though is
incomplete).  My apoligies for coming into this discussion a bit
late--please see my signature.

> > that avoids the need entirely for an alias file for MailMan, but
> > rather has Exim observe the presence of a
> > ~mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db file and therefor determine
> > that the list exists and all the addresses it needs.  Quite a cute
> > job really.  No alias file to update, but idential operation.

The meat of it is one transport and one director, as follows:

list_transport:
	driver = pipe
	command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
	current_directory = MAILMAN_DIR
	home_directory = MAILMAN_DIR
	user = MAILMAN_UID
	group = MAILMAN_GID

This basically says "When a director specifies me as a transport,
please pipe(line one) the mail through "/usr/libexec/mailman/wrapper
post <lower-case version of username goes here>"(line two).  Do it in
the mailman directory, and run as the mailing list user.


list_director:
	driver = smartuser
	require_files = MAILMAN_DIR/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
	transport = list_transport

This basically means that if I get mail to "CrAcKMonKeY at CRACKMONKEY.org", and
there exists a "/var/lib/mailman/lists/crackmonkey/config.db" file,
then it runs it through the list_transport rules I specified above.
Note that the $local_part is the username, and the ${lc:...}
construction is what makes it lower-case.

> can be done similarly for sendmail...
> 
> - as mailman admin user
> cd ~mailman
> touch aliases aliases.dir aliases.pag
[...rest of alias-fu removed...]

	It can indeed, but this is not the way to do it.  What you
want to do is set up a rule that generates a mailman wrapper pipe
based on the existence of a config.db in a mailman list directory of
the same name.  Then the simple execution of newlist as a single
command will do all you need, and you'd be able to ignore newlist's
insistance that aliases be added.  

	

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From rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu  Thu Dec  9 17:14:01 1999
From: rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu (Rick Niess)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:14:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991208134419.13608L-100000@martini.super.unam.mx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912090959240.10306-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Juan Carlos Guel Lopez wrote:
> Hi again!!
> Digital Unix doesn't have a smrsh, sendmail.cf and sendmail.cw
> So I think it's a Sendmail Problem???
> Am I wrong??

     Does Digital Unix even *run* sendmail??  It looks like whatever MTA
you're running has a restriction in place on what exectuables your MTA is
allowed to run to process mail. (just like Sendmail does) It may not be
SMRSH, but it's something.  See if you can find anything in your MTA's
manual about restricted execution.  Also, see if there's any mention of
"trusted" users or processes/programs/executables.

						~ Rick ~
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From mray at ixl.com  Thu Dec  9 18:19:38 1999
From: mray at ixl.com (Matt Ray)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:19:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] S/MIME and Public Key Encryption Features
Message-ID: <384FE4A9.1AC2E23E@ixl.com>

The company I work for is looking at MailMan as a possible product for our client, but we need to know if
MailMan supports S/MIME and Public Key Encryption.  If anyone could give me information, it would be greatly
appreciated.




From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Thu Dec  9 19:21:09 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:21:09 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] S/MIME and Public Key Encryption Features 
In-Reply-To: Message from Matt Ray <mray@ixl.com> 
   of "Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:19:38 CST." <384FE4A9.1AC2E23E@ixl.com> 
Message-ID: <E11w8Bh-0005cZ-00@rioja.localnet>

mray at ixl.com said:
> The company I work for is looking at MailMan as a possible product for
> our client, but we need to know if MailMan supports S/MIME and Public
> Key Encryption.  If anyone could give me information, it would be
> greatly appreciated. 

Mailman should pass through encrypted messages without problems - there 
is a chance that any crypto/signature set that includes the headers in 
the signed data will be broken by mailman changing the subject lines.

However that is not full crypto list support.  As I have never seen 
anyone quite work out what they want from crypto list support it is 
probably fair to say that no one has that yet :-)

Just sending crypted mail through a list server only works if you have 
the public key for all recipients initially and crypt for the whole 
lot.  You could send mail crypted against the list server's key, that 
would then decrypt and recrypt against each recipients key... this 
makes the list server a prime target - break that and you see all the 
messages in transit and can fiddle with them.  It would also cost big 
time in crypto processsing power.  Other ideas are possible...  [but 
mailman does none of these :-( ]

	Nigel.
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From sweeney at projectcool.com  Thu Dec  9 20:14:05 1999
From: sweeney at projectcool.com (Michael Sweeney)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 11:14:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912090959240.10306-100000@netserver3.otr.us
 m.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991208134419.13608L-100000@martini.super.unam.mx>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991209111055.00b16420@jupiter.projectcool.com>


>     Does Digital Unix even *run* sendmail??  It looks like whatever MTA
>you're running has a restriction in place on what exectuables your MTA is
>allowed to run to process mail. (just like Sendmail does) It may not be
>SMRSH, but it's something.  See if you can find anything in your MTA's
>manual about restricted execution.  Also, see if there's any mention of
>"trusted" users or processes/programs/executables.

Yeah, Digital Unix runs sendmail, but they ship a version that is much less 
than current (I'm not sure which version at the moment, but it's out of 
rev). They also permit you to install pretty much everything else yourself, 
especially if it's an open-source utility. Pardon the off-topic response 
since Digital Unix has nothing to do with MailMan.

Michael




From les at 2pi.com  Thu Dec  9 20:24:51 1999
From: les at 2pi.com (Les Niles)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:24:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
In-Reply-To: <19991209170006.1C9FE1CE66@dinsdale.python.org>
	(mailman-users-admin@python.org)
References: <19991209170006.1C9FE1CE66@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <199912091924.LAA01655@deception.camlyn.com>

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:37:28 -0800 Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 12:14:59AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>> 
>> >>>>> "MM" == Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> writes:
>> 
>>     MM> It doesn't work, putting something there adds in to the body
>>     MM> of the message, not the headers.
>> 
>> Which is what I think it's supposed to do, although the description
>> text is slightly misleading.
>
>No it's actually clear,  but when you have a hammer  everything looks like a
>nail :-)
>
>Although I've already given my wish on the different options for Reply-To in
>some future version, it could also be  useful to allow the setting of random
>headers, just like you can add random text before the body of the message.
>
>Thanks,
>Marc

I've hacked mailman to do exactly that.  There are probably good
reasons to not allow inserting random mail headers but that didn't
stop me. :)  The patches are for v1.1, although I think they work
on v1.0 also.  I don't know if it's appropriate to just post them
to this list, but I'd be happy to mail them to anyone who wants
them.  

  -les  les at 2pi.org



From les at 2pi.com  Thu Dec  9 20:28:37 1999
From: les at 2pi.com (Les Niles)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:28:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
In-Reply-To: <19991209170006.1C9FE1CE66@dinsdale.python.org>
	(mailman-users-admin@python.org)
References: <19991209170006.1C9FE1CE66@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <199912091928.LAA01666@deception.camlyn.com>

About those patches: I meant to say that what they do is put
another box on the General config page which gets a list of lines
that will be put into the header of each outgoing message.  There's
no error checking on the format of those lines.

  -les  les at 2pi.org



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Thu Dec  9 20:56:30 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 13:56:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991208132839.13608K-100000@martini.super.unam.mx>
Message-ID: <3850096E.7E3A3C83@admin.aurora.edu>

Juan Carlos Guel Lopez wrote:

> Hi to everybody!!!
>
> Recently I've installed Mailman in a Digital Unix 4.0, Phyton 1.5.2 and
> Mailman 1.1
>
> Everything works fine, but when a subscriber tries to some list
> it rejects the suscription and says something like that :
>
> Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2
>
> I've check the FAQ and related Help, but in the syslog everything works
> fine here it is an excerpt of syslog :
>
> Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 sendmail[4956]: AA04956:from=<cguel at ds5000.super.unam.mx
> >, size=284, class=0, received from local
> Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid  536869264, GOT gid 24.  (Reconfigure to take 15?)
> Dec  8 12:22:44 ds5000 sendmail[15313]: AA04956: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wr
> apper post asc", delay=00:00:00, stat=unknown mailer error 2
>
> I ask if I have to ReRun ./configure with mailGID=536869264 ???
>
> Actually Mailman has Group ID = mailman:*:24:
>
> I ask too if somebody tries to Install Mailman in Digital Unix 4.0 or
> OSF/1 4.0??

Howdy.  One of the hosts that we are using mailman on it running OSF 4.0d.  We had
the same problem for a while and you are right that the answer is running
./configure with the right --with-mail-gid.  We struggled with this until it dawned
on us to look in the sendmail.cf file to see which user/group was specified for
sendmail to run under.  What we found on our system (and sendmail was not heavily
customized) was that sendmail was running as GID daemon, which we never thought to
look at because we had no such problems under Solaris or Linux.  Our command line
was:

./configure --with-mail-gid=daemon

After doing make install it worked just fine -- and it only took us a week to think
of looking into the sendmail.cf file.

Cheers,

--chris


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From bernhard at uwm.edu  Thu Dec  9 21:25:16 1999
From: bernhard at uwm.edu (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:25:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archiver + Frame Usability Patches
Message-ID: <19991209142516.I982@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

For people using the _external archiver_ feature in mailman-1.1:
I fixed problems with it.

And then I like to remind people that I wrote a small:

 Frame usability patch for the admin web interface.


	Descriptions and patches available from:
			http://ffii.org/~breiter/probe


Cheers,
	Bernhard
ps.: I'm not on this list, please carbon copy replies to me.
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From twells at hipbone.com  Fri Dec 10 03:00:33 1999
From: twells at hipbone.com (Tom Wells)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:00:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin pages keep asking for password
Message-ID: <19991209180033.A2726@ou812.hipbone.com>

I've noticed that *everytime* I try to change a list's settings,
I'm asked for the password.  Then the change doesn't take effect.

What's wrong with this program?  Seems to be doing this consistently.
Locks in the lock file are persistent, with uid nobody, gid mailman, 
perms of 664 on each, perms of 2775 on the locks directory itself

I'm new to this program, and I don't know Python, so if additional
info is needed, tell me how to supply it.

Thanks.

Tom
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From jeff at ollie.clive.ia.us  Fri Dec 10 04:49:13 1999
From: jeff at ollie.clive.ia.us (Jeffrey C. Ollie)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:49:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] S/MIME and Public Key Encryption Features
In-Reply-To: <E11w8Bh-0005cZ-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel.Metheringham@vdata.co.uk on Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 06:21:09PM +0000
References: <mray@ixl.com> <E11w8Bh-0005cZ-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <19991209214913.A20449@ollie.clive.ia.us>

On Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 06:21:09PM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> 
> Other ideas are possible...  

One thing that I would like to see would be for Mailman to be able to
detect cryptographically signed messages. Then it would be possible to
set up lists to reject unsigned messages, or messages that are signed
but have been damaged or tampered with in transit, or messages that
are signed but the key id doesn't match any subscription, etc.

This feature could also be used to create stronger moderated lists by
rejecting messages that aren't signed by a key that is listed as
belonging to a moderator.

Of course, rather than using S/MIME, OpenPGP-compatible encryption
should be used (Like GNU Privacy Guard).

Jeff

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From twells at hipbone.com  Fri Dec 10 04:52:04 1999
From: twells at hipbone.com (Tom Wells)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:52:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin pages keep asking for password
In-Reply-To: <199912100204.UAA21612@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>; from "Christopher Lindsey" on Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 08:04:57PM
References: <19991209180033.A2726@ou812.hipbone.com> <199912100204.UAA21612@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <19991209195204.A2912@ou812.hipbone.com>

Christopher Lindsey opined...

  > I've noticed that *everytime* I try to change a list's settings,
  > I'm asked for the password.  Then the change doesn't take effect.
  > 
  > What's wrong with this program?  Seems to be doing this consistently.
  > Locks in the lock file are persistent, with uid nobody, gid mailman, 
  > perms of 664 on each, perms of 2775 on the locks directory itself
  > 
  > I'm new to this program, and I don't know Python, so if additional
  > info is needed, tell me how to supply it.
  
  Your browser is probably not accepting cookies, which Mailman uses 
  to maintain an authenticated state.
  
  Chris

it's accepting cookies, and they get stored in .netscape/cookies.
Here's the line for one of the lists:


$SERVER	 FALSE	/mailman/	FALSE	944808485	$LIST:admin	"(lp1\012S'192.168.1.76'\012p2\012aI944797684\012aI944808484\012aI240932247\012a."



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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec 10 04:57:34 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:57:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] S/MIME and Public Key Encryption Features 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jeffrey C. Ollie" <jeff@ollie.clive.ia.us> 
   of "Thu, 09 Dec 1999 21:49:13 CST." <19991209214913.A20449@ollie.clive.ia.us> 
References: <mray@ixl.com> <E11w8Bh-0005cZ-00@rioja.localnet>  <19991209214913.A20449@ollie.clive.ia.us> 
Message-ID: <E11wHBW-0002Xs-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:49:13 -0600 
Jeffrey C Ollie <jeff at ollie.clive.ia.us> wrote:

> One thing that I would like to see would be for Mailman to be able
> to detect cryptographically signed messages. Then it would be
> possible to set up lists to reject unsigned messages, or messages
> that are signed but have been damaged or tampered with in transit,
> or messages that are signed but the key id doesn't match any
> subscription, etc.

A set of procmail recipies inserted before the call to wrapper can
do much of this.  I toyed with doing this at VA for the Trillian
project (actually we were going to use scipts called directly by
Exim, but the principle is the same), but we never got around to it.

> Of course, rather than using S/MIME, OpenPGP-compatible encryption
> should be used (Like GNU Privacy Guard).

Both have advantages in different security scenarios.  I wouldn't
discard either out of hand.

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From jrappold at scoca-k12.org  Fri Dec 10 05:18:54 1999
From: jrappold at scoca-k12.org (John Rappold)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:18:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users can post new messages but can't reply
Message-ID: <199912100418.XAA02698@news.scoca-k12.org>

Hi,

This seems to be a random problem, and I have no idea what is going on. I run 
an RH6.0 and latest mailman. The list in question is a closed list, and all 
replies are set to be sent back to the list.

All users can post new messages, however there seems to be a random problem 
in that some users can't reply to posts. One user sent me a email from his 
system that stated the DNS and/or MX record was messed up. This does not make 
sense if they can post a new message. Any idea what is going on? Oh yes, I'm 
not the "mail" guy, but the webmaster who was given the task of setting this 
up, so I know little of the workings of sendamil (if that is the problem).


--
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Cisco Academy Regional Coordinator/Webmaster
South Central Ohio Computer Association
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http://www.scoca-k12.org





From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec 10 07:38:26 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:38:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] S/MIME and Public Key Encryption Features
References: <mray@ixl.com>
	<E11w8Bh-0005cZ-00@rioja.localnet>
	<19991209214913.A20449@ollie.clive.ia.us>
Message-ID: <14416.40930.101028.383658@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JCO" == Jeffrey C Ollie <jeff at ollie.clive.ia.us> writes:

    JCO> One thing that I would like to see would be for Mailman to be
    JCO> able to detect cryptographically signed messages. Then it
    JCO> would be possible to set up lists to reject unsigned
    JCO> messages, or messages that are signed but have been damaged
    JCO> or tampered with in transit, or messages that are signed but
    JCO> the key id doesn't match any subscription, etc.

It wouldn't be hard to add a module to handle this with the 1.2
codebase (modulo exposing configurability via the Web interface).

    JCO> This feature could also be used to create stronger moderated
    JCO> lists by rejecting messages that aren't signed by a key that
    JCO> is listed as belonging to a moderator.

That's a neat idea!

-Barry



From Duraid.Omar at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Dec 10 13:14:29 1999
From: Duraid.Omar at nottingham.ac.uk (Super-User)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:14:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any idea
Message-ID: <3850EEA5.239677F3@geography.nottingham.ac.uk>

Dear  All,

    I am having a real problem with mailman, evertime I want to access a
mailing list within our server ( which I have set) I get the Bug below:
I am using Netscape version  4.61 and at present my cookies in the Edit
Preferences... advanced is set to "Only accept cookies originating from
the same server as the page being viwed" and the Warm me before
accepting a cookie is checked, mind you whatever settings I select I
always get the same message.

    Any I dea please.

Dee

*************************************************************************

Bug in Mailman version 1.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened.
Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 104, in main
    cookie='admin')
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 84, in
WebAuthenticate
    return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 119, in
CheckCookie
    if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
IndexError: string index out of range







From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Fri Dec 10 13:30:44 1999
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:30:44 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] S/MIME and Public Key Encryption Features
In-Reply-To: <19991209214913.A20449@ollie.clive.ia.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991210133024.16917B-100000@dipolo.dicea.unifi.it>

On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote:
> One thing that I would like to see would be for Mailman to be able to
> detect cryptographically signed messages. Then it would be possible to
> set up lists to reject unsigned messages, or messages that are signed
> but have been damaged or tampered with in transit, or messages that
> are signed but the key id doesn't match any subscription, etc.
I strongly agree !!!





From MRay at ixl.com  Fri Dec 10 16:33:49 1999
From: MRay at ixl.com (MRay at ixl.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] S/MIME and Public Key Encryption Features
Message-ID: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD696E@mem-131.ixl.com>

Thanks for the information everybody! However I now have two more questions
that need to be resolved:

1. Does MailMan support S/MIME standards?

2. On the features page, it says: "Direct SMTP delivery of
messages, including integrated bulk mailing."  Can somebody explain this to
me, and can this feature be secure?

Thanks,

Matt Ray



From MRay at ixl.com  Fri Dec 10 16:34:30 1999
From: MRay at ixl.com (MRay at ixl.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:34:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD696F@mem-131.ixl.com>

P.S. Will MailMan run on Sun Solaris?



From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Dec 10 16:42:08 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:42:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nightly Zip error
Message-ID: <38511F50.F658C6BF@isu.edu>

I am receiving this error message with the Cron nightly_gzip program. It
looks like it has something to do with getting the time correct for the
archive, or the times for the archives  are not right. Heres the error
message

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, in
?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in
main
    time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt')
AttributeError: strptime

--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec 10 16:40:32 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:40:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
References: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD696F@mem-131.ixl.com>
Message-ID: <14417.7920.363144.676708@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "M" == MRay  <MRay at ixl.com> writes:

    M> P.S. Will MailMan run on Sun Solaris?

Absolutely.  All of our python.org machines are Sparcs running
Solaris.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec 10 16:44:01 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:44:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] S/MIME and Public Key Encryption Features
References: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD696E@mem-131.ixl.com>
Message-ID: <14417.8129.303793.387490@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "M" == MRay  <MRay at ixl.com> writes:

    M> 2. On the features page, it says: "Direct SMTP delivery of
    M> messages, including integrated bulk mailing."  Can somebody
    M> explain this to me, and can this feature be secure?

As secure as the connection between your Mailman host and your smtp
host.  Mailman just opens a socket connection to the specified machine
and port (usually your local machine and smtp port) and just does an
(e)smtp transaction across that socket connection.

As for the bulk mailing stuff, this has been taken out of the current
code base, although Harald has convinced me that we'll need to put
something like this back in for the next release.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec 10 16:49:23 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:49:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nightly Zip error
References: <38511F50.F658C6BF@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <14417.8451.420713.716782@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

Youneed to upgrade your Python.  1.5.2 should have strptime.



From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Dec 10 17:09:39 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:09:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs error cron process
Message-ID: <385125C2.B89FBA18@isu.edu>

Does anyone know how to fix this problem, I guess it having problems
with my pending subscriptions.

File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 55
    requests =
listeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXeXn

%s:\n\tCause: %s"

^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From michael.schmale at ixos.de  Fri Dec 10 18:09:46 1999
From: michael.schmale at ixos.de (Michael Schmale)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:09:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2 -> I have tried
 the normal solution!
Message-ID: <9F077EBC72BFD211AEF90060080F373679A73C@muc-mail4.ixos.de>

Hi,
I am running SuSE Linux 6.1 with Mailman 1.1 and have get the following
typical error:
  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at aphrodite.ixos.de>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2

I have checked the syslog and it says:
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2 

so I have recompiled Mailman a couple of times with the appropriate options
./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=nogroup

however, I am still getting the same error! Does anyone have any
suggestions??

Michael.

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From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Dec 10 21:22:12 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:22:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing python 1.5.2
Message-ID: <385160F4.3D782A2E@isu.edu>

I am going to be installing  python 1.5.2 to red hat 6.0 linux. Do any
of you have any information or problems that I should look at for. Is
there something that I might have to tweak with this new version.

--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From cguel at martini.super.unam.mx  Fri Dec 10 21:46:59 1999
From: cguel at martini.super.unam.mx (Juan Carlos Guel Lopez)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:46:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
In-Reply-To: <3850096E.7E3A3C83@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991210143705.27293A-100000@martini.super.unam.mx>

Hi Christopher!!

Your answer looks the correct option, but I'm still with the same
problem.

I put :

> ./configure --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=daemon
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... 
checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for true... (cached) /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes
checking for mailman UID... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 24
checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... 1
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 65534
checking for CGI extensions... no

+++++++++++

Until here everything works fine, I can make a new list, etc, when I
subscribe, or when I sent an e-mail to the new list from another machine.

But when I try to sent an e-mail from the same machine, where mailman
is installed, exists a problem.

Dec 10 14:30:39 ds5000 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. 
WANTED gid 536869264, GOT gid 24.  (Reconfigure to take 15?)
Dec 10 14:30:39 ds5000 sendmail[12977]: AA08646:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd asc", delay=00:00:00,
stat=unknown mailer error 2
Dec 10 14:30:39 ds5000 sendmail[12977]: AA12977:
message-id=<9912102030.AA12977 at ds5000.super.unam.mx>

+++++++++++++++

And returns a mail with the error. 

If it was compiled with mail GID as a daemon why is sending the same
problem???

Anybody in the list have an idea???

Thanks in advance

Saludos
--JC GUEL





From MRay at ixl.com  Fri Dec 10 22:03:31 1999
From: MRay at ixl.com (MRay at ixl.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python Credit Card Validation
Message-ID: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD6978@mem-131.ixl.com>

I am looking for a Python scripted credit card validation
script.  This is sometimes called a "modulus check".  Does anyone know of
any sites that might have one that I could use or download?


Matt



From sweeney at projectcool.com  Fri Dec 10 22:59:27 1999
From: sweeney at projectcool.com (Michael Sweeney)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:59:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still stumped on external archiver
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991210135400.00a3f2c0@jupiter.projectcool.com>

I've read (and followed) Allen's excellent howto from last month on 
integrating MHonArc with MailMan. I've read all of the mail in the archives 
on this subject. I'm still missing something.

I have MHonArc set up and operating properly - it just doesn't do any 
archiving when a message is posted to a list. Neither the .mbox file nor an 
archive gets updated now. It seems as though the call to the archiver as 
presented in the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER declaration isn't finding a 
mailbox file to archive. And I can't see in Allen's code where the input 
path is expressed.

Can anybody give me any clues on this? Thanks.

Michael





From jafo at tummy.com  Fri Dec 10 23:05:38 1999
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:05:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Installing python 1.5.2
In-Reply-To: <385160F4.3D782A2E@isu.edu>; from Kory Wheatley on Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 01:22:12PM -0700
References: <385160F4.3D782A2E@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <19991210150538.A19355@tummy.com>

(Copying only to mailman-users, since this isn't a development issue)

On Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 01:22:12PM -0700, Kory Wheatley wrote:
>I am going to be installing  python 1.5.2 to red hat 6.0 linux. Do any
>of you have any information or problems that I should look at for. Is
>there something that I might have to tweak with this new version.

I'd recommend pulling an RPM for it and building it that way.  I
don't know if RedHat has a 1.5.2 RPM yet though.

Note that this will break the RedHat tools like printtool.  They did
some stuff with those tools that aren't compatible with 1.5.2.
Other than that, it works fine.

Sean
-- 
 [...] Premature optimization is the root of all evil.
                 -- Donald Knuth
Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo at tummy.com>
URL: <http://www.tummy.com/xvscan> HP-UX/Linux/FreeBSD/BSDOS scanning software.



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Dec 11 00:07:08 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:07:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
Message-ID: <199912102307.PAA09400@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

I'd love to have my mailman-run list either reject or strip all
attachments (*(^(^ HTML, .GIF/.JPG, .vcard...I don't want any of
'em).  I don't see anything in the code that mentions it; is this
a "TODO"?

(BTW, is there actually any documentation for MailMan anywhere?)




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Sat Dec 11 00:12:10 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:12:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
In-Reply-To: <199912102307.PAA09400@utopia.West.Sun.COM> from "Dan Mick" at Dec 10, 99 03:07:08 pm
Message-ID: <199912102312.RAA27448@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From schampeo at hesketh.com  Sat Dec 11 00:14:24 1999
From: schampeo at hesketh.com (Steven Champeon)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:14:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
In-Reply-To: <199912102307.PAA09400@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991210180914.3476Q-100000@wasabi.hesketh.net>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Dan Mick wrote:
> I'd love to have my mailman-run list either reject or strip all
> attachments (*(^(^ HTML, .GIF/.JPG, .vcard...I don't want any of
> 'em).  I don't see anything in the code that mentions it; is this
> a "TODO"?

That's easy.

Go to Privacy options and add the following:

Content-type:.*multipart/alternative.*
Content-type:.*multipart/mixed.*
.*text/html.*
.*text/enriched.*
.*text/x-vcard.*
Content-Disposition:.*attachment

to the "hold posts with a header value matching regexp".

Cheers,
Steve
-- 
Steven Champeon                 v: 919.854.1570
Sr. Technical Consultant        f: 919.854.1579
hesketh.com/inc.                w: hesketh.com




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Sat Dec 11 00:19:25 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:19:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991210180914.3476Q-100000@wasabi.hesketh.net> from "Steven Champeon" at Dec 10, 99 06:14:24 pm
Message-ID: <199912102319.RAA27500@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From root at theporch.com  Sat Dec 11 00:23:37 1999
From: root at theporch.com (Phillip Porch)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:23:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
In-Reply-To: <199912102307.PAA09400@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.SC5.4.10.9912101721560.4361-100000@sco.theporch.com>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Dan Mick wrote:

> I'd love to have my mailman-run list either reject or strip all
> attachments (*(^(^ HTML, .GIF/.JPG, .vcard...I don't want any of
> 'em).  I don't see anything in the code that mentions it; is this
> a "TODO"?

I have a filter program written in both python and perl that stip all
attachments. It is called in a pipeline before mailman is called. It is
available here ftp://ftp.theporch.com/pub/misc/filter.tar.gz

-- 
Phillip P. Porch <root at sco.theporch.com>  NIC:PP1573     finger for 
http://www.theporch.com  UTM - 16 514548E 3994397N          PGP key




From bernhard at uwm.edu  Sat Dec 11 00:46:20 1999
From: bernhard at uwm.edu (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:46:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Still stumped on external archiver
Message-ID: <19991210174620.C452@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

Hi Michael,

three clues:

First: Try my little patch, available from http//ffii.org/~breiter/probe
for the external archiver. You will see if the pipe the external
archiver fails in the logs/error file.

Secondly: The mail is piped into that program.

Three: Switch user to mailman and pipe a testmail into excatly the
same pipe as Mailman would have run (see the error log, when failed).
You can see further problems and the MHonArc Error messages, then.

	Bernhard
-- 
Research Assistant, Geog Dept UM-Milwaukee, USA.  (www.uwm.edu/~bernhard)
Free Software Projects and Consulting 		         (intevation.net)  
Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure            (ffii.org)
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From cfm1 at resnet.geneseo.edu  Sat Dec 11 01:48:08 1999
From: cfm1 at resnet.geneseo.edu (Chrisie Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:48:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Really Dumb Mailman Question
Message-ID: <001701bf4371$6466fe20$34a9ee89@stargazer>

Hello,

This question is probably really dumb, but I just can't seem to get it working right, so any help would be appreciated.

I run my Apache web server on a different port than 80, and even though getting to the pages works fine, when you attempt to subscribe to the lists or use anything that requires a command be sent to the server, it won't connect on the port I'm using. It attempts to use the default 80.

I attempted to fix this by changing the default URL line in mm_cfg.py to include the correct port, but that doesn't seem to do it. Does anyone have any ideas on this?

- C. Mitchell
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From nick at zork.net  Sat Dec 11 01:56:51 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:56:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991210180914.3476Q-100000@wasabi.hesketh.net>; from Steven Champeon on Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 06:14:24PM -0500
References: <199912102307.PAA09400@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <Pine.LNX.3.95.991210180914.3476Q-100000@wasabi.hesketh.net>
Message-ID: <19991210165651.G27905@zork.net>

Quoting Steven Champeon:
> Go to Privacy options and add the following:
> 
[...]
> .*text/html.*
[...]

Might I also humbly submit the following:

	X-Mailer:.*Eudora.*
	X-Mailer:.*Forte Agent.*
	X-Mailer:.*Microsoft.*
	X-Mailer:.*Win.*
	From: .*@yahoo.com
	From: .*@hotmail.com
	X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service

And to answer all questions in advance: yes I am an elitist.

-- 
CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Dec 11 01:59:53 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:59:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
Message-ID: <199912110100.RAA15977@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Nick Moffitt spewed:

> Quoting Steven Champeon:
> > Go to Privacy options and add the following:
> > 
> [...]
> > .*text/html.*
> [...]
> 
> Might I also humbly submit the following:
> 
> 	X-Mailer:.*Eudora.*
> 	X-Mailer:.*Forte Agent.*
> 	X-Mailer:.*Microsoft.*
> 	X-Mailer:.*Win.*
> 	From: .*@yahoo.com
> 	From: .*@hotmail.com
> 	X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service
> 
> And to answer all questions in advance: yes I am an elitist.

1) this from someone with 

> X-Webtv-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black

in his headers?

2) since it's possible to send reasonably compliant mail from
those mail agents and/or domains, you're not elitist, you're
simply solving the wrong problem.





From schampeo at hesketh.com  Sat Dec 11 02:05:55 1999
From: schampeo at hesketh.com (Steven Champeon)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:05:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
In-Reply-To: <199912110100.RAA15977@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991210200459.20322A-100000@wasabi.hesketh.net>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Dan Mick wrote:
> 1) this from someone with 
> 
> > X-Webtv-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black
> 
> in his headers?

Look again - I think you'll find it's consistent with his stated beliefs :)

Cheers,
Steve
-- 
Steven Champeon                 v: 919.854.1570
Sr. Technical Consultant        f: 919.854.1579
hesketh.com/inc.                w: hesketh.com




From nick at zork.net  Sat Dec 11 02:31:37 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:31:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment filtering/rejection?
In-Reply-To: <199912110100.RAA15977@utopia.West.Sun.COM>; from Dan Mick on Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 04:59:53PM -0800
References: <199912110100.RAA15977@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <19991210173137.H27905@zork.net>

Quoting Dan Mick:
> 1) this from someone with 
> > X-Webtv-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black
> in his headers?

	I'm not on a WebTV note my X-Mailer header.  That's so that
WebTV people can't read my mail.  See?  I'm an elitist.

> 2) since it's possible to send reasonably compliant mail from those
> mail agents and/or domains, you're not elitist, you're simply
> solving the wrong problem.

	No, I'm solving the problem that I don't want any
mouth-breathing windows users on my lists.  Elitist.  See?

-- 
CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sat Dec 11 05:41:09 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:41:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any idea
References: <3850EEA5.239677F3@geography.nottingham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <14417.54757.674761.811265@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "S" == Super-User  <Duraid.Omar at nottingham.ac.uk> writes:

    S>     I am having a real problem with mailman, evertime I want to
    S> access a mailing list within our server ( which I have set) I
    S> get the Bug below: I am using Netscape version 4.61 and at
    S> present my cookies in the Edit Preferences... advanced is set
    S> to "Only accept cookies originating from the same server as the
    S> page being viwed" and the Warm me before accepting a cookie is
    S> checked, mind you whatever settings I select I always get the
    S> same message.

This has been reported before, but 1) I really don't understand what
could be causing it, and 2) I can't reproduce it.  I have, however,
checked in a change which should at least avoid the exception.  I
don't know whether it would break authentication in your situation
though.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sat Dec 11 06:14:10 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:14:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archiver + Frame Usability Patches
References: <19991209142516.I982@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Message-ID: <14417.56738.892138.196042@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "BR" == Bernhard Reiter <bernhard at uwm.edu> writes:

    BR> For people using the _external archiver_ feature in
    BR> mailman-1.1: I fixed problems with it.

For this one, try this (untested) patch instead.  I don't use an
external archiver so feedback is welcome!

-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
Index: Archiver.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py,v
retrieving revision 1.16
diff -c -r1.16 Archiver.py
*** Archiver.py	1999/11/10 20:05:47	1.16
--- Archiver.py	1999/12/11 05:06:30
***************
*** 179,189 ****
              post.SetHeader('Date', olddate)
  
      def ExternalArchive(self, ar, txt):
!         d = SafeDict({'listname': self.real_name})
          cmd = ar % d
          extarch = os.popen(cmd, 'w')
          extarch.write(txt)
!         extarch.close()
  
      #
      # archiving in real time  this is called from list.post(msg)
--- 179,193 ----
              post.SetHeader('Date', olddate)
  
      def ExternalArchive(self, ar, txt):
!         d = SafeDict({'listname': self.internal_name()})
          cmd = ar % d
          extarch = os.popen(cmd, 'w')
          extarch.write(txt)
!         status = extarch.close()
!         if status:
!             self.LogMsg('error',
!                         'external archiver non-zero exit status: %d\n' %
!                         (status & 0xff00) >> 8)
  
      #
      # archiving in real time  this is called from list.post(msg)



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sat Dec 11 06:26:50 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:26:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archiver + Frame Usability Patches
References: <19991209142516.I982@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Message-ID: <14417.57498.167802.224533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "BR" == Bernhard Reiter <bernhard at uwm.edu> writes:

    BR>  Frame usability patch for the admin web interface.

I like the warning (wish we could make those fields read-only),
however I think I'll keep the details popping up in a separate
window.  I know this is controversial, but I think I still like it
this way better.

Thanks
-Barry



From mcook at unidial.com  Sat Dec 11 17:23:20 1999
From: mcook at unidial.com (Merrill Cook)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:23:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.991210143705.27293A-100000@martini.super.unam.mx>
Message-ID: <38527A78.8485D3DB@unidial.com>

It suggests gid 15. Did you try gid 15, even if 24 makes sense to you?
Did that fail too?

Juan Carlos Guel Lopez wrote:
> 
> WANTED gid 536869264, GOT gid 24.  (Reconfigure to take 15?)



From mcook at unidial.com  Sat Dec 11 17:26:20 1999
From: mcook at unidial.com (Merrill Cook)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:26:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem w/ GID setting
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9912041733220.21098-100000@ntcorp.dn.net>
Message-ID: <38527B2C.E8292E92@unidial.com>

Did you try just 

   ./configure --with-cgi-gid='nobody'

Miles Fidelman wrote:
> 
> 
> ./configure --with-cgi-gid='neigh artsadmin nobody'
> 
> 65540 is the GID for group "mailman"
> 
> 60001 is the GID for nobody, which is what the server is running as, and
> which (I thought) I had properly configured into the Makefile
>



From tom at suespammers.org  Sat Dec 11 18:51:52 1999
From: tom at suespammers.org (Tom Geller)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:51:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in the daily report
Message-ID: <199912111739.JAA01591@plushie.suespammers.org>

My sysadmin has set up a cron job that notifies me of errors in 
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman//cron/nightly_gzip. This one started 
appearing after he tweaked Mailman to accept lists on several multihomed 
domains:

---begin report---

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman//cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, 
in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman//cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, 
in main
    time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt')
AttributeError: strptime

---end report---

Anyone know what to do about this?


---
              Tom "I am not a lawyer" Geller
    Geller Communications  *  San Francisco * tgeller.com
Other domains: suespammers.org, openppc.org, popcomputers.com




From Sven.Anderson at AMS.Med.Uni-Goettingen.DE  Sat Dec 11 19:01:46 1999
From: Sven.Anderson at AMS.Med.Uni-Goettingen.DE (Sven Anderson)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:01:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid
 2
In-Reply-To: <19991211162607.08DBD1CF35@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912111856190.8889-100000@ikarus.AMS.Med.Uni-Goettingen.DE>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 mailman-users-admin at python.org wrote:

> Hi,
> I am running SuSE Linux 6.1 with Mailman 1.1 and have get the following
> typical error:
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (expanded from: <test-request at aphrodite.ixos.de>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
> I have checked the syslog and it says:
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2 
> 
> so I have recompiled Mailman a couple of times with the appropriate options
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=nogroup
> 
> however, I am still getting the same error! Does anyone have any
> suggestions??

If you use --with-mail-gid=12, then wrapper expects to be run with GID 12.
But in your mailer-configuration it gots GID 2, as it says in the syslog.
So of course you have to configure it with --with-mail-gid=2.

	Sven

- -- 
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    "Macht verrueckt, was Euch verrueckt macht!" (Blumfeld)

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From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sat Dec 11 19:02:08 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:02:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in the daily report
In-Reply-To: <199912111739.JAA01591@plushie.suespammers.org>; from Tom Geller on Sat, Dec 11, 1999 at 09:51:52AM -0800
References: <199912111739.JAA01591@plushie.suespammers.org>
Message-ID: <19991211130208.A7361@xcski.com>

Quoting Tom Geller (tom at suespammers.org):
>   File "/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman//cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, 
> in main
>     time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt')
> AttributeError: strptime

That usually seems to indicate that you (or your sysadmin) installed the
version of python that came with RedHat 6.0 Linux.  In this case, your best
response is to tell him to grab the python RPMs from the RedHat 6.1 ftp site
and install them.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From Sven.Anderson at AMS.Med.Uni-Goettingen.DE  Sat Dec 11 19:07:37 1999
From: Sven.Anderson at AMS.Med.Uni-Goettingen.DE (Sven Anderson)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:07:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
In-Reply-To: <19991211162607.08DBD1CF35@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912111905280.8889-100000@ikarus.AMS.Med.Uni-Goettingen.DE>

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> Dec 10 14:30:39 ds5000 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. 
> WANTED gid 536869264, GOT gid 24.  (Reconfigure to take 15?)
                        ^^^^^^^^^^

Try ./configure --with-mail-gid=24

Why is it suggesting GID 15?

	Sven

- -- 
_mailto:sven at anderson.de _tel:+49-551-35430 _tel:+49-179-4939223
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From lisac at flygirl.com  Sat Dec 11 20:05:08 1999
From: lisac at flygirl.com (Lisa)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:05:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link problem in Linux?
Message-ID: <199912111905.LAA10854@zazu.flygirl.com>

I keep getting the following problem.  It seems like the link problem
mentioned in README.LINUX, but I cannot find the "Restricted links"
setting (or patch?) anywhere in the kernel source or config file.

I am using a standard RedHat 5.1 on which the only serious thing I
did was to recompile tulip.o to accomidate a Linksys Etherfast
network card.

The error message (emailed to root) is below.  Can anyone help me?

Lisa

====================================================================

The original message was received at Sat, 11 Dec 1999 02:02:13 -0800
from localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner sacs"
    (expanded from: sacs-admin at www.flygirl.com)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 42, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied
554 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner sacs"... unknown mailer error 1


--------------------------------------------------------------------
"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will
not have, nor do they deserve, either one."--Thomas Jefferson





From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sun Dec 12 07:57:40 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:57:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Digital UNIX
References: <19991211162607.08DBD1CF35@dinsdale.python.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.9912111905280.8889-100000@ikarus.AMS.Med.Uni-Goettingen.DE>
Message-ID: <14419.18276.321896.995298@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "SA" == Sven Anderson <Sven.Anderson at AMS.Med.Uni-Goettingen.DE> writes:

    SA> Try ./configure --with-mail-gid=24

    SA> Why is it suggesting GID 15?

Perhaps because gid_t is a long and the printf format types should be
%ld?  I'll check in some changes to address this.

-Barry



From redwards at golgotha.net  Sun Dec 12 19:00:34 1999
From: redwards at golgotha.net (Randy Edwards)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:00:34 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list
Message-ID: <3853E2C2.BFBEA707@golgotha.net>

Is there an automated way of deleting a mailing list or do I have to
manually go in and rm things?

-- 
 Regards,  | <redwards at golgotha.net>   | Upgrade your old legacy
 .         | <http://www.golgotha.net> | WindowsNT machines to Linux!
 Randy     |                           | See http://www.debian.org



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sun Dec 12 19:27:26 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:27:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list
In-Reply-To: <3853E2C2.BFBEA707@golgotha.net>; from Randy Edwards on Sun, Dec 12, 1999 at 06:00:34PM +0000
References: <3853E2C2.BFBEA707@golgotha.net>
Message-ID: <19991212132726.A3091@xcski.com>

Quoting Randy Edwards (redwards at golgotha.net):
> Is there an automated way of deleting a mailing list or do I have to
> manually go in and rm things?

bin/rmlist <listname>

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Dec 12 22:12:37 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:12:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Randy Edwards <redwards@golgotha.net> 
   of "Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:00:34 GMT." <3853E2C2.BFBEA707@golgotha.net> 
References: <3853E2C2.BFBEA707@golgotha.net> 
Message-ID: <E11xGIH-0000Ar-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:00:34 +0000 
Randy Edwards <redwards at golgotha.net> wrote:

> Is there an automated way of deleting a mailing list or do I have
> to manually go in and rm things?

~mailman/bin/rmlist [-a] <listname>

-- 
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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From nick at zork.net  Mon Dec 13 01:25:23 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:25:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list
In-Reply-To: <E11xGIH-0000Ar-00@dingo.kanga.nu>; from J C Lawrence on Sun, Dec 12, 1999 at 01:12:37PM -0800
References: <3853E2C2.BFBEA707@golgotha.net> <redwards@golgotha.net> <E11xGIH-0000Ar-00@dingo.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <19991212162523.O1478@zork.net>

Quoting J C Lawrence:
> Randy Edwards <redwards at golgotha.net> wrote:
> > Is there an automated way of deleting a mailing list 
>
> ~mailman/bin/rmlist [-a] <listname>

	Or, if you're on a system that complies with the Filesystem
Hierarchy Standard (such as Debian GNU/Linux), it's "/usr/sbin/rmlist
-a <listname>".

	The -a removes everything (including archives).

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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Dec 13 02:52:54 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:52:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net> 
   of "Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:25:23 PST." <19991212162523.O1478@zork.net> 
References: <3853E2C2.BFBEA707@golgotha.net> <redwards@golgotha.net> <E11xGIH-0000Ar-00@dingo.kanga.nu>  <19991212162523.O1478@zork.net> 
Message-ID: <E11xKfW-0001Bj-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:25:23 -0800 
Nick Moffitt <nick at zork.net> wrote:

> Quoting J C Lawrence:

>> ~mailman/bin/rmlist [-a] <listname>

> 	Or, if you're on a system that complies with the Filesystem
> Hierarchy Standard (such as Debian GNU/Linux), it's
> "/usr/sbin/rmlist -a <listname>".

Happening to have such a box right nere, its also
/var/lib/mailman/bin/rmlist (to which the above /usr/sbin/rmlist is
a symlink).  The more annoying thing on Debian is that ~list (the
UID that MailMan runs under under Debian) resolves to a
useless/non-existent directory.

-- 
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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From wheakory at isu.edu  Mon Dec 13 17:41:15 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:41:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron error message
Message-ID: <385521AB.8B7CB744@isu.edu>

This error message below is generated when the cron scheduled job
gate_news is ran. Would this error happen in result that I am running
mailman 1.1 and have Python1.5.1 do I need upgrade to  Python 1.5.2 for
this cron entry to run? I have been getting similar errors from the
other mailman cron job entries to (like senddigests, nightly-gzip),
since I upgraded mailman from 1.0 to 1.1. Mailman is installed on red
hat 6.0 using the MTA Sendmail. What's funny is I can still receive mail
messages fine from the lists and send them out if I have all of the cron
jobs commented out. Once I have the cron jobs running after a while when
getting error message sent to me the postmaster of mailman about the
cron processes errors, I can't receive any messages from the mailman
subscript lists that I have myself on. I receive usually a mailer 2
error. All of the permissions are setup correctly for mailman 1.1. If I
shutdown and reboot my  Linux machine then everything will work again
until those cron jobs processes run for a while., then eventually I
can't receive any message from the lists or if I send messages to the
lists I just get   error message back form mailman admin.

I really need help I have 20 production list on mailman that need to be
working all the time.
Do I need to upgrade to python 1.5.2?
Will mailman 1.1 work with python 1.5.1 and I just need to tweak
something? I am desperately
seeking support here. If anyone has the answer please respond
immediately.

I have not found any documentation that says mailman 1.1 will not work
with python 1.5.1. If I have missed this documentation please point me
to the link that explains what's needed for mailman 1.1 to work with red
hat 6.0.

Is there anyway to pay for getting support for mailman being installed
on a system.

Here is the error message below, sorry so long but I need help badly.


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in
__init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 820, in
Load
    setattr(self, key, value)
TypeError: setattr, argument 2: expected string, None
found

--
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Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From joe at lawlearn.wuacc.edu  Mon Dec 13 21:45:18 1999
From: joe at lawlearn.wuacc.edu (Joe Hewitt)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:45:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing python 1.5.2
In-Reply-To: <385160F4.3D782A2E@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912131443230.8098-100000@lawlearn.wuacc.edu>

Kory,

You probably want to use the Red Hat CD to install your python 1.5.2 which
is the version on the 6.0 CD.  I tried installing it from src and it
wouldn't work properly, so I reinstalled from CD and all was fine.  Duh!

Joe

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Kory Wheatley wrote:

> I am going to be installing  python 1.5.2 to red hat 6.0 linux. Do any
> of you have any information or problems that I should look at for. Is
> there something that I might have to tweak with this new version.
> 
> --
> Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
> Computing & Communication
> Academic Computing Analyst sr.
> 
> Everything you do must point to him.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Tue Dec 14 01:01:33 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:01:33 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] envelope_sender et al
Message-ID: <19991214110133.G14008@tertius.net.au>

I've got USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 at the bottom of my
/etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py (that's where Debian puts it,
anyway) and SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1 in Defaults.py
but mailman is still not using the From: header
- I have several complaints from members whose mail is
being held up because mailman is sniffing something
other than the From: headers to get its addresses.

We're using version 1.0rc2, BTW.


bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
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: were; and I say 'Why not?'.  -- George Bernard Shaw



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 14 05:50:54 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:50:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
 (fwd)
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912070951270.23105-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <14421.52398.532440.568369@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:

    PH> What is a bogus archive?

These messages occur when os.listdir() raises aon os.error exception
when passed one of those directories.  IOW

    os.listdir('/home/mailman/archives/private/mcp')

fails.  This could be because that directory doesn't exist (perhaps
because you moved your lists), or the permissions on the directory are
incorrect.  This latter you can test with bin/check_perms.

-Barry



From C.Fox at gold.ac.uk  Tue Dec 14 13:03:45 1999
From: C.Fox at gold.ac.uk (Chris Fox)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:03:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to make Mailman more trusting of subscriber supplied addresses?
Message-ID: <199912141203.MAA25090@ma101.gold.ac.uk>

I am experimenting with Mailman (v1.1) with a view to using it to support a 
distance learning scheme, and would like to know if there is a way of making 
Mailman more trusting of From: (and Reply-to:) headers on closed lists.

As far as I can tell, Mailman appears to confirm a subscriber's identity using 
the return-path of mail, not the envelope From, From: or Reply-to fields, even 
if the subscribed address is different from the return path.  Even when I set 
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0, and pipe mail through formail to rewrite envelope 
>From so that it is the same as From: (or Reply-to:), subscribers submissions 
to mailing lists are not automatically accepted if their subscribed address is 
not username at host.domain, or username at domain as reported in the return-path.

I can understand that there are many cases when it is appropriate to be 
pedantic about confirming a subscribers identity, but it would be nice to be 
able to make Mailman more trusting, so that users can subscribe with their 
preferred email address and be sure that their submissions will be accepted.  
As it stands, many of our legitimate users would have their submissions 
bounced to list maintainers as a matter of course, leading to an unnecessary 
increase in workload.  Alternatively, subscribers would need multiple nomail 
subscriptions, which is cumbersome solution, and hard to explain to non-expert 
users (who will be paying for the service...), again leading to an unnecessary 
increase in workload for our staff.

Any help would be appreciated.

Chris Fox


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Mathematical & Computing Sciences, Goldsmiths College, London SE14 6NW
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From mats at laplaza.org  Tue Dec 14 15:35:42 1999
From: mats at laplaza.org (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:35:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetch by email
In-Reply-To: <199912141203.MAA25090@ma101.gold.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991214073542.00fab5c0@laplaza.org>

Hunting for possible solutions for a dilemma (only a minor
one, however).

We've had our site switched over to mailman for some months
now and while things are running smoothly, we've lost one
particular feature we used to have in majordomo.

That is - fetch-by-email of arbitrary files from an archive
area.  In addition to automatically generated archives
which mailman makes available in downloadable form via
a web page, can an arbitrary file be added to the area and 
picked up - and is there a way archive files can be picked
up by email request?

This happens to be needed for accessing things like
meeting minutes by name (rather than by downloading the
entire fuzzball from the month of publication).

I know there are other tools available for fetching files
but this has been convenient because in this case, list
membership is exactly the right authentication scheme
and I'd hate to add another layer to track the member list
for using a different tool (ftp or something)....

Thanks.




From Robert at grapevine2.com  Tue Dec 14 15:49:12 1999
From: Robert at grapevine2.com (Robert)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:49:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991214073542.00fab5c0@laplaza.org>
References: <199912141203.MAA25090@ma101.gold.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991214093635.00bd82c0@pop.gv2.com>

Hello all,

Earlier, someone brought up the bounce issue 2 months ago with no answer. 
However, from my experiment with Mailman 1.1 for several weeks for GV2's 
large mailing lists which we maintain, we discovered that if we changed the 
setting in Privacy Options (Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with 
the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields) ) to YES, the 
bounced emails are reduced.

Could anyone care enough to explain the best way to reduce the bounce 
Emails? Here's someone's comments who run his own mailing list:

"My big question is - is mailman manager picking up the bounces or missing
these bounces like a baseball strike out?" (he's a sport editor.)

Please help us..I'm sure I'm not alone into this bounces problem issue.

Thanks,

Robert



From pjh at mccc.edu  Tue Dec 14 16:36:57 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:36:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python
 /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <14421.52398.532440.568369@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912141035370.15659-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:
> 
>     PH> What is a bogus archive?
> 
> These messages occur when os.listdir() raises aon os.error exception
> when passed one of those directories.  IOW
> 
>     os.listdir('/home/mailman/archives/private/mcp')
> 
> fails.  This could be because that directory doesn't
> exist (perhaps because you moved your lists), or the
> permissions on the directory are incorrect.  This latter
> you can test with bin/check_perms.

bin/check_perms showed no errors so it must be that these
are missing. For example, I have mcp.mbox but not mcp. Why?
Should I just create empty directories?

Thanks,
Pete




From aggarwal at dti.net  Tue Dec 14 17:11:31 1999
From: aggarwal at dti.net (Samir Aggarwal)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:11:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private list question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.20.9912141110080.15487-100000@schwing.slack.net>

hello all...

i have created a private list (i.e. it won't be displayed in a list of
lists, and it needs approval before subscription).

how can i make the archives private also (i.e. only list members can view
the archives)

thanks.







From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 14 17:54:29 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:54:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetch by email
References: <199912141203.MAA25090@ma101.gold.ac.uk>
	<3.0.6.32.19991214073542.00fab5c0@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <14422.30277.889782.393367@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MW" == Mats Wichmann <mats at laplaza.org> writes:

    MW> That is - fetch-by-email of arbitrary files from an archive
    MW> area.  In addition to automatically generated archives
    MW> which mailman makes available in downloadable form via
    MW> a web page, can an arbitrary file be added to the area and 
    MW> picked up - and is there a way archive files can be picked
    MW> up by email request?

Mailman currently doesn't support this, but it would not be hard to
add, if you're up for a bit of Python hacking.  If you think you'd
like to implement something like this, please move the discussion over
to mailman-developers where we can design an approach.

-Barry



From root at theporch.com  Tue Dec 14 20:08:37 1999
From: root at theporch.com (Phillip Porch)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:08:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python
 /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912141035370.15659-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SC5.4.10.9912141307410.4876-100000@sco.theporch.com>

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Pete Holsberg wrote:

> > >>>>> "PH" == Pete Holsberg <pjh at mccc.edu> writes:
> > 
> >     PH> What is a bogus archive?
> > 
> > These messages occur when os.listdir() raises aon os.error exception
> > when passed one of those directories.  IOW
> > 

Maybe this occurs when there are no postings in the archive?


-- 
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http://www.theporch.com  UTM - 16 514548E 3994397N          PGP key




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 14 20:13:45 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:13:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python
 /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip (fwd)
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912141035370.15659-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
	<Pine.SC5.4.10.9912141307410.4876-100000@sco.theporch.com>
Message-ID: <14422.38633.999036.872188@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "PP" == Phillip Porch <root at theporch.com> writes:

    PP> Maybe this occurs when there are no postings in the archive?

I think you're right!  I forgot that there's a buglet where the
archives are missing before any messages are posted to the list.

-Barry



From pjh at mccc.edu  Tue Dec 14 20:36:49 1999
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:36:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@saturn> /usr/bin/python
 /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <14422.38633.999036.872188@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9912141436060.26814-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "PP" == Phillip Porch <root at theporch.com> writes:
> 
>     PP> Maybe this occurs when there are no postings in the archive?
> 
> I think you're right!  I forgot that there's a buglet
> where the archives are missing before any messages are
> posted to the list.

He is right!! I just sent messages to all those bogus lists
and reran the nightly script.

Pete




From AnthonyK at usmerchantsystems.com  Tue Dec 14 21:20:36 1999
From: AnthonyK at usmerchantsystems.com (Anthony Keys)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:20:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] merchant account
Message-ID: <D1252084C549D211A2CB00104BC95B542B1F40@usmerchantsystems.com>

Hi, my name is Anthony Keys and I am an employee of a company that sets up
merchant accounts. 
We have been in buisness for over eight years and we specialize in home
based buisnesses. We have an approval rate of 90%.If you have a store front
or if you have a home based buisness we can set you up with a merchant
account. Please contact me at 1-800-655-8767 ext.153. If you state that you
received this e-mail and you sighn up with us, I will send you a voucher to
cover the $195.00 installation fee.



From MRay at ixl.com  Tue Dec 14 23:06:04 1999
From: MRay at ixl.com (MRay at ixl.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:06:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Credit Card Validation with MailMan
Message-ID: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD6980@mem-131.ixl.com>

Does anyone know if MailMan has any python features for validating credit
card numbers?



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Dec 15 03:38:42 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:38:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Credit Card Validation with MailMan
References: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD6980@mem-131.ixl.com>
Message-ID: <14422.65330.734930.354254@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "M" == MRay  <MRay at ixl.com> writes:

    M> Does anyone know if MailMan has any python features for
    M> validating credit card numbers?

It does not.  Even though I'm not aware of any Python modules to
validate credit card numbers, such a thing may exist.  I'm not clear
on how Mailman would use this though.

-Barry




From larry at herzog.net  Wed Dec 15 04:52:42 1999
From: larry at herzog.net (Larry Herzog)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:52:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thank You!
Message-ID: <004e01bf46af$d8d322c0$0100a8c0@acer>

I would like to thank everyone who responded to my plea last week for a new
list hosting service for our E-Mail List.  I have selected someone to
provide Mailman services from among the responses.  It's great to be able to
continue using this great program!
_______________
Larry Herzog






From kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu  Wed Dec 15 10:15:02 1999
From: kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu (Kadlecsik Jozsi)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:15:02 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] envelope_sender et al
In-Reply-To: <19991214110133.G14008@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.9912150958390.27826-100000@sunserv.kfki.hu>

On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Bek Oberin wrote:

> I've got USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 at the bottom of my
> /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py (that's where Debian puts it,
> anyway) and SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1 in Defaults.py
> but mailman is still not using the From: header
> - I have several complaints from members whose mail is
> being held up because mailman is sniffing something
> other than the From: headers to get its addresses.
 
I think the problem is the following: even when USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is set
to zero, the Sender header field is checked. The From field counts only
when the Sender field is missing from the E-mail message. (See GetSender
in class IncomingMessage in Message.py).

So here come some feature requests:

- USE_FROM_ONLY in addition to USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER
- per mailing list USE_FROM_ONLY and IGNORE_SENDER_COMPLETELY :-)

- per subscriber alternate address lists for restricted lists!!
  (now we have a long list with more and more invalid alternate
   addresses as subscribers leave the restricted list.)

Regards,
Jozsef Kadlecsik
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         H-1525 Budapest 114, POB. 49, Hungary




From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk  Wed Dec 15 17:19:58 1999
From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:19:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Required: Pipermail and MMDF format mailboxes
Message-ID: <Pine.SO4.4.03.9912151608500.8205-100000@sequoia.shu.ac.uk>

I am linking Mailman to Nexor's Mailer (AKA PP). however the pipermail
modules doesn't work with the saved mbox file because this in
MMDF format. Is it strightforward to customise the mailman to look for the
4 Control As that delimit MMDF mailboxes instead of Sendmails fromseperator. 

Regards

Ray Gardener
CIS 
Sheffield Hallam University
UK
telephone (+44) 0114 225 4926




From jerry at scoregroup.com  Wed Dec 15 19:30:56 1999
From: jerry at scoregroup.com (Jerry Thomas)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:30:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing Addresses, Announcement only Lists and other questions
Message-ID: <3857DE60.F973C326@scoregroup.com>

I have 5 questions.

1) All I need is a miling list program that does E-mail confirmation of
subscriptions and unsubscriptions with a web based front end for admin
and users,  is Mailman the best way to go?

1) I downloaded the mailman archive and set it up.  Now I need to import
a flat text file 0f 25,000 E-mail addresses.  

2) The mailing list needs to be announcement only (only admin users are
allowd to post to the list).

3) I don't want any users to have to specify passwords at signup but
instead only use confirmation E-mails for subscription and
unsubscription.

4) Sendmail to me seems kind of inneficient with system resources can
anybody reccomend a good MTA that works well with mailman?

Please point to me to any documatation or archives that address this.

-- 
Jerry Thomas 		jerry at scoregroup.com
Network Administrator 	ph. (305) 662-5959 ext. 211
The Score Group		fax (305) 662-5952



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Dec 15 18:37:50 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:37:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing Addresses, Announcement only Lists and other questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jerry Thomas <jerry@scoregroup.com> 
   of "Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:30:56 EST." <3857DE60.F973C326@scoregroup.com> 
References: <3857DE60.F973C326@scoregroup.com> 
Message-ID: <E11yIN4-00043b-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:30:56 -0500 
Jerry Thomas <jerry at scoregroup.com> wrote:

> 1) All I need is a miling list program that does E-mail
> confirmation of subscriptions and unsubscriptions with a web based
> front end for admin and users, is Mailman the best way to go?

MailMan is a way, and the way I use.  "Best" is always a subjective
criteria.

> 1) I downloaded the mailman archive and set it up.  Now I need to
> import a flat text file 0f 25,000 E-mail addresses.

~mailman/bin/add_members.

> 2) The mailing list needs to be announcement only (only admin
> users are allowd to post to the list).

You can configure that under privacy options.

> 3) I don't want any users to have to specify passwords at signup
> but instead only use confirmation E-mails for subscription and
> unsubscription.

Currently if they sign up via the web they will need to spec a
password, but if they sign up via email they won't (one will be
assigned to them by the system).

> 4) Sendmail to me seems kind of inneficient with system resources
> can anybody reccomend a good MTA that works well with mailman?

I would recommend Postfix or Exim.  I use Exim here, but would use
Postfix were I starting from scratch again (what I have works, so
I'm loathe to change it).  Others recommend QMail.

There's been a fair bit of mail on this topic in the last few
weeks.  You should be able to find the threads in the archives
without much trouble.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From petrilli at amber.org  Wed Dec 15 20:33:23 1999
From: petrilli at amber.org (Christopher Petrilli)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:33:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Credit Card Validation with MailMan
In-Reply-To: <14422.65330.734930.354254@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us on Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 09:38:42PM -0500
References: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD6980@mem-131.ixl.com> <14422.65330.734930.354254@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19991215143323.B18015@trump.amber.org>

Barry A. Warsaw [bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us] wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "M" == MRay  <MRay at ixl.com> writes:
> 
>     M> Does anyone know if MailMan has any python features for
>     M> validating credit card numbers?
> 
> It does not.  Even though I'm not aware of any Python modules to
> validate credit card numbers, such a thing may exist.  I'm not clear
> on how Mailman would use this though.

Charging someone's credi card $5 for every post they make? ;-)

Chris
-- 
| Christopher Petrilli
| petrilli at amber.org



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Dec 15 20:33:17 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:33:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Credit Card Validation with MailMan
References: <CD8E2CDBC6D0D111ACB900805FBBD97E01FD6980@mem-131.ixl.com>
	<14422.65330.734930.354254@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<19991215143323.B18015@trump.amber.org>
Message-ID: <14423.60669.569393.566447@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "CP" == Christopher Petrilli <petrilli at amber.org> writes:

    CP> Charging someone's credi card $5 for every post they make? ;-)

As long as $1 of each such post is diverted to my Swiss bank account,
I'm fine with that! :)



From julian7 at kva.hu  Thu Dec 16 12:16:34 1999
From: julian7 at kva.hu (Balazs Nagy)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:16:34 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in pending request handler
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912161215180.1633-100000@krondor.kva.hu>

Bug in Mailman version 1.2 (experimental)

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster
for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 119, in main
    PrintRequests(mlist, doc, form)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 174, in PrintRequests
    PrintPostRequest(mlist, id, info, total, count, form)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 197, in PrintPostRequest
    fp = open(os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, filename))
IOError: [Errno 36] File name too long: '/home/mailman/data/From
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\012Delivered-To: gimp at kva.hu\012Received: (qmail 12719 invoked from
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-- 
Regards: Kevin (Balazs)




From mr at uniway.be  Thu Dec 16 14:43:22 1999
From: mr at uniway.be (mr)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:43:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron Daemon errors
Message-ID: <3858EC79.CAF97358@uniway.be>

Hello,

I just learned about and am using mailman in my job. I have installed it
and have got it half-way working (I see the "Your New Mailing List" mail
and can click on these links. However I do not understand the error
messages I am receiving from the Cron Daemon. The most important one
being (I believe, because it is the first one I always receive):

Traceback (innermost last):
File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
main()
File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
self.Load()
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

I have just been able to locate these errors but have no idea what these
errors mean or how to fix them.

Can someone help me?

Thanks in advance,

Kirsten Melanie Royal

--

"?.I don't have to eat, I don't have to drink, I just have to study."


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From mr at uniway.be  Thu Dec 16 17:09:26 1999
From: mr at uniway.be (mr)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:09:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron error messages
Message-ID: <38590EB6.A6A8CB78@uniway.be>

Hello once again,

I have some other messages that I do not understand at all either, here
they are:


Traceback (innermost last):
File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 77, in ?
main(verbose=(len(sys.argv) > 1
File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 34, in main
list = MailList.MailList(name, lock = 0)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
self.Load()
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

AND

Traceback (innermost last):
File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
main()
File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
lockfile.lock()
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory

IN ADDITION TO:

Traceback (innermost last):  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line
119, in ?
main()
File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
self.Load()
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

Like I said in a previous message,  I see my "Your new mailing
list" page and I can click on the links but I have these
errors. I just got assigned this project to use mailman a week ago and
have never heard about it before that time so I am very sorry if my
explainations are not very good ones.

Another note: I had no errors on the installation.

Thank you in advance for any help you can give me.

Kirsten Melanie Royal

--

"...I don't have to eat, I don't have to drink, I just have to study."


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From blurr at txraves.org  Thu Dec 16 17:35:32 1999
From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:35:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies?
Message-ID: <00c101bf47e3$93c4a6b0$ea17a8c0@jordan>

just like to say i've been running mailman for a good while now and i've turned
into a total list whore! =P

heres a recent problem i've run into that i'm thinking has to do with cookies.  it
breaks on my machine(internet exploder & nutscrape) but works fine on another
machine.

Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
    is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
    return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
    if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
IndexError: string index out of range

any ideas?

thanks!
---
-] jordan
-] blurr at txraves.org
-] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr

- [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -




From jam at jamux.com  Thu Dec 16 18:36:37 1999
From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:36:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (mis)feature - "Big Changes" on password reminder
Message-ID: <19991216173641.31A58481C@athene.jamux.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Will Mailman-1.1 'add_members' "big changes" (convert.txt) say

	Don't worry if you forget this password; a reminder will be
	sent to you via email every month.

when "Send monthly password reminders or no?" is optioned "No" in the
list's General Options?

	jam

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: By Mailcrypt 3.5.4 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/>

iD8DBQE4WSMVUEvv1b/iXy8RAk2AAJ9DSMbLJlCtoloJwPMklZDWhndr5gCfczt2
pbwvRH7A9m10CtUFCQQZbBE=
=XM4l
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



From alex at phred.org  Thu Dec 16 19:25:56 1999
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:25:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request
Message-ID: <02e301bf47f2$ff172d70$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>

I just setup a couple of lists using mailman and have been very impressed so
far.

Two features which I think would be really handy are:
1) It would be nice to have HTML filtering built into the list server.  I've
read of some of the filters which can be applied before mailman even sees
the mail.  My preference would be for a filter which can pull the plaintext
part of the email out of HTML/Mime encoded messages and discard the rest.

2) I have some users which like the [ListNameIsHere] tag and some who don't.
It would be nice to have this configurable as a per-user option.  The
difficulty here is that different versions of messages would need to be
generated for different users, and that most likely has a large impact on
the code that deals with the MTA.

thanks,
alex




From selcuk at kou.edu.tr  Thu Dec 16 20:51:42 1999
From: selcuk at kou.edu.tr (=?iso-8859-9?B?U2Vs53VrINbw/HTn/A==?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:51:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a problem...
Message-ID: <NDBBLFIBAPCCAHKLFMIDGECJCAAA.selcuk@kou.edu.tr>

Hi,
I'm a new mailman user. I set up the python language and mailman correctly.
The problem is, how'll I use mailman in order to let the e-mail server users
should access their e-mail accounts from the web. How will the web page be
like or what is the solution? Do I have to place an index.html into the
apache directory?

Please help me,
Selcuk OGUTCU
Computer Systems Assistant




From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec 16 21:40:45 1999
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:40:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in pending request handler
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912161215180.1633-100000@krondor.kva.hu>
Message-ID: <38594E4D.F571F560@west.sun.com>

So, is there such a filename?  And if so, if you delete it, does the
problem go away?

Balazs Nagy wrote:

> IOError: [Errno 36] File name too long: '/home/mailman/data/From
> skibum at SkiBumNews.com Fri Nov 19 21:15:42 1999\012Return-Path:
> \012Delivered-To: gimp at kva.hu\012Received: (qmail 12719 invoked from
> network); 19 Nov 1999 21:15:40 -0000\012Received: from newmtolympus.ari.net
> (HELO mtolympus.ari.net) (198.69.192.180)\012  by krondor.kva.hu with SMTP;
> 19 Nov 1999 21:15:40 -0000\012Received: from skibumnews.com (fedjobs.ari.net
> [198.69.195.130])\012\011by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id
> PAA25132;\012\011Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:12:05 -0500 (EST)\012\011(envelope-from
> skibum at SkiBumNews.com)\012Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:12:05 -0500
> (EST)\012From: skibum at SkiBumNews.com\012Message-Id:
> <199911192012.PAA25132 at mtolympus.ari.net>\012Reply-To:
> skibum at SkiBumNews.com\012To: skibum at SkiBumNews.com\012Subject: SKI
> FREE\012\012Here is the latest issue of the Ski Bum News
> http://www.SkiBumNews.com\012__________________________________________________________\012If
> you wish to be removed from future mailings, please reply \IOError: [Errno
> 36] File name too long: '/home/mailman/data/From skibum at SkiBumNews.com Fri
> Nov 19 21:15:42 1999\012Return



From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Dec 16 22:22:40 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:22:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
Message-ID: <19991216132240.T24828@marc.merlins.org>

I have a feature request:
When I  unsubscribe a  user, I'd  like to  have a  optional message  sent to
him/her (you  have been unsubscribed), and  even better the option  to add a
custom message as  in "You have been unsubscribed because  you have a stupid
autoresponsder who is sending me Emails for each message from the list"

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From aggarwal at dti.net  Thu Dec 16 22:28:39 1999
From: aggarwal at dti.net (Samir Aggarwal)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:28:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list privacy?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.20.9912161627450.9320-100000@schwing.slack.net>

Hello, how can you make the archives for a private list only viewable to
list members?

thanks,
Samir





From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Dec 16 22:32:06 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:32:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list privacy?
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3CPine=2EBSO=2E4=2E20=2E9912161627450=2E9320-100000=40sc?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?hwing=2Eslack=2Enet=3E=3B_from_aggarwal=40dti=2Enet_on_je?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?u=2C_d=E9c_16=2C_1999_at_04:28:39_-0500?=
References: <Pine.BSO.4.20.9912161627450.9320-100000@schwing.slack.net>
Message-ID: <19991216133205.U24828@marc.merlins.org>

On jeu, d?c 16, 1999 at 04:28:39 -0500, Samir Aggarwal wrote:
> 
> Hello, how can you make the archives for a private list only viewable to
> list members?

In the Archival Options menu, select the private checkbox

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From aggarwal at dti.net  Thu Dec 16 22:32:21 1999
From: aggarwal at dti.net (Samir Aggarwal)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:32:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list privacy?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.20.9912161627450.9320-100000@schwing.slack.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.20.9912161630230.9320-100000@schwing.slack.net>

sorry, for this question...
the answer was right under my nose.

but for the benefit of the list archive:

1) goto mailman/admin/list/archive
2) check the private option in the "Is archive file source for public or
private archival" box

3) click submit your changes.

:)

wow, wasn't that simple
-Samir


On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Samir Aggarwal wrote:

> 
> Hello, how can you make the archives for a private list only viewable to
> list members?
> 
> thanks,
> Samir
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From sweeney at projectcool.com  Thu Dec 16 22:40:39 1999
From: sweeney at projectcool.com (Michael Sweeney)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:40:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <19991216132240.T24828@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991216133339.00a89220@jupiter.projectcool.com>

At 01:22 PM 12/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have a feature request:
>When I  unsubscribe a  user, I'd  like to  have a  optional message  sent to
>him/her (you  have been unsubscribed), and  even better the option  to add a
>custom message as  in "You have been unsubscribed because  you have a stupid
>autoresponsder who is sending me Emails for each message from the list"


Marc, I can't help asking this: In the particular case you cite above, how 
do you propose to get the autoresponder to not respond to the unsubscribe 
notice? ;-)

For my part, I've found that it takes much less energy and distraction to 
just unsubscribe people who do things like this and let them figure it out 
on their own. When they do it enough times that I recognize their email 
address, I put their address in the block list. It might be more satisfying 
to take a poke at some people who exhibit more than the normal idiocy, but 
in the long run, I haven't found it to be worthwhile. (Besides, I'm hoping 
that if I show a little charity, others will cut me some slack when *I* do 
dumb things. :) )

I would just as soon see a feature that would automatically unsubscribe (or 
at least disable) any address that sent mail from an autoresponder.

Michael






From claw at cp.net  Thu Dec 16 22:44:23 1999
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:44:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Sweeney <sweeney@projectcool.com> 
   of "Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:40:39 PST." <4.2.0.58.19991216133339.00a89220@jupiter.projectcool.com> 
References: <4.2.0.58.19991216133339.00a89220@jupiter.projectcool.com> 
Message-ID: <E11yihD-0001R2-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:40:39 -0800 
Michael Sweeney <sweeney at projectcool.com> wrote:

> For my part, I've found that it takes much less energy and
> distraction to just unsubscribe people who do things like this and
> let them figure it out on their own. When they do it enough times
> that I recognize their email address, I put their address in the
> block list. It might be more satisfying to take a poke at some
> people who exhibit more than the normal idiocy, but in the long
> run, I haven't found it to be worthwhile. (Besides, I'm hoping
> that if I show a little charity, others will cut me some slack
> when *I* do dumb things. :) )

Unfortunately this doesn't work so well in corporate environments.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Dec 16 23:01:07 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:01:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C4=2E2=2E0=2E58=2E19991216133339=2E00a89220=40jupiter?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2Eprojectcool=2Ecom=3E=3B_from_sweeney=40projectcool=2Ec?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?om_on_jeu=2C_d=E9c_16=2C_1999_at_01:40:39_-0800?=
References: <19991216132240.T24828@marc.merlins.org> <4.2.0.58.19991216133339.00a89220@jupiter.projectcool.com>
Message-ID: <19991216140107.V24828@marc.merlins.org>

On jeu, d?c 16, 1999 at 01:40:39 -0800, Michael Sweeney wrote:
> At 01:22 PM 12/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
> Marc, I can't help asking this: In the particular case you cite above, how 
> do you propose to get the autoresponder to not respond to the unsubscribe 
> notice? ;-)

It will, but the user will get my mail and he/she'll know that he/she has
been unsubscribed and why.

> For my part, I've found that it takes much less energy and distraction to 
> just unsubscribe people who do things like this and let them figure it out 
> on their own. When they do it enough times that I recognize their email 

You give them too much credit...

> address, I put their address in the block list. It might be more satisfying 
> to take a poke at some people who exhibit more than the normal idiocy, but 
> in the long run, I haven't found it to be worthwhile. (Besides, I'm hoping 
> that if I show a little charity, others will cut me some slack when *I* do 
> dumb things. :) )

Also, in the  case of someone who gets unsubscribed  for bounces or whatever
might get the unsubscribe message later, and in this case it's useful.

> I would just as soon see a feature that would automatically unsubscribe (or 
> at least disable) any address that sent mail from an autoresponder.

Without  VERP,  you   can't  do  that  reliably. The  from   address  of  an
autoresponder doesn't necessarly match the subscribed address.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From blurr at txraves.org  Thu Dec 16 23:06:01 1999
From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:06:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies?
Message-ID: <01eb01bf4811$bfdc6840$ea17a8c0@jordan>

when the web interface(/mailman/admin/listname) actually works i get this message:

Error decoding authorization cookie. 

at the top of the page above the password prompt and i think its related.

anyone else get this?
---
-] jordan
-] blurr at txraves.org
-] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr

- [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <blurr at txraves.org>
To: "Mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:35 AM
Subject: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies?


> just like to say i've been running mailman for a good while now and i've turned
> into a total list whore! =P
> 
> heres a recent problem i've run into that i'm thinking has to do with cookies.  it
> breaks on my machine(internet exploder & nutscrape) but works fine on another
> machine.
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 1.1
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
> description of what happened. Thanks!
> 
> Traceback:
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
>     is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
>     return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
>     if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
> IndexError: string index out of range
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> thanks!
> ---
> -] jordan
> -] blurr at txraves.org
> -] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr
> 
> - [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -
> 



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X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
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Precedence: bulk
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>

Does mailman have a way to convert mbox or mailbox files from other list
managers, not majordomo, into the mailman layout/format?  I have a number
of lists that I'd like to convert.

Thanks,

Joe






From alex at phred.org  Fri Dec 17 01:01:36 1999
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:01:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] merging archives?
Message-ID: <065801bf4821$e2fff890$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>

I have a bunch of mailing list archives that I would like to merge into the
pipermail archives.  I noticed that my current mailing list is just kept as
an mbox format file.  Does it keep one of these per month, or does this file
grow indefinitely? (it must be one per month for perf reasons).

Is there an easy way for me to merge in my old archives?  Can I just copy
them to the directory?

The file names of the old archives are:
touring.9511
touring.9512
touring.9601
...
touring.9912

In my archive/private/touring.mbox directory I find the file:
touring.mbox

Can I just drop touring.9* over to touring.mbox and will pipermail find
them?  For this months stuff can I just merge the two files?

thanks,
alex




From Robert at grapevine2.com  Fri Dec 17 01:22:00 1999
From: Robert at grapevine2.com (Robert)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:22:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991216191441.00bda640@pop.gv2.com>

2nd request...looks like nobody is expert on this bounces issue? If that is 
the case, it looks like this is a bad place to seek the technical support 
here for this serious bounces issue.

Unfortunately, I checked with other company..which has excellent support 
forum compared to this web site due to better documentation. Check out here:

http://cgi.elitehost.com/cgi-bin/copromote/unix/

for this Subscribe Me Professional mailing list product

http://cgi.elitehost.com/subpro/

Please help us...regarding the bounces issue. It must be answered 
ASAP...since nobody answered the bounces issue from several users for many 
months (based on searching "bounces" in mailman's archives).

Robert
Grapevine2 Internet Services


>Hello all,
>
>Earlier, someone brought up the bounce issue 2 months ago with no answer. 
>However, from my experiment with Mailman 1.1 for several weeks for GV2's 
>large mailing lists which we maintain, we discovered that if we changed 
>the setting in Privacy Options (Hide the sender of a message, replacing it 
>with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields) ) to YES, 
>the bounced emails are reduced.
>
>Could anyone care enough to explain the best way to reduce the bounce 
>Emails? Here's someone's comments who run his own mailing list:
>
>"My big question is - is mailman manager picking up the bounces or missing
>these bounces like a baseball strike out?" (he's a sport editor.)
>
>Please help us..I'm sure I'm not alone into this bounces problem issue.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Robert
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec 17 03:28:42 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:28:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II
Message-ID: <199912170228.SAA05382@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

I'd comment, but I don't see a description of the problem anywhere.
You keep saying "the bounces problem" like we all know what you mean.
I don't.

> 2nd request...looks like nobody is expert on this bounces issue? If that is 
> the case, it looks like this is a bad place to seek the technical support 
> here for this serious bounces issue.
> 
> Unfortunately, I checked with other company..which has excellent support 
> forum compared to this web site due to better documentation. Check out here:
> 
> http://cgi.elitehost.com/cgi-bin/copromote/unix/
> 
> for this Subscribe Me Professional mailing list product
> 
> http://cgi.elitehost.com/subpro/
> 
> Please help us...regarding the bounces issue. It must be answered 
> ASAP...since nobody answered the bounces issue from several users for many 
> months (based on searching "bounces" in mailman's archives).
> 
> Robert
> Grapevine2 Internet Services
> 
> 
> >Hello all,
> >
> >Earlier, someone brought up the bounce issue 2 months ago with no answer. 
> >However, from my experiment with Mailman 1.1 for several weeks for GV2's 
> >large mailing lists which we maintain, we discovered that if we changed 
> >the setting in Privacy Options (Hide the sender of a message, replacing it 
> >with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields) ) to YES, 
> >the bounced emails are reduced.
> >
> >Could anyone care enough to explain the best way to reduce the bounce 
> >Emails? Here's someone's comments who run his own mailing list:
> >
> >"My big question is - is mailman manager picking up the bounces or missing
> >these bounces like a baseball strike out?" (he's a sport editor.)
> >
> >Please help us..I'm sure I'm not alone into this bounces problem issue.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From allen at gist.net.au  Fri Dec 17 04:09:25 1999
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:39:25 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Mick <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM> 
   of "Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:28:42 -0800." <199912170228.SAA05382@utopia.West.Sun.COM> 
Message-ID: <199912170309.NAA01453@harper.gist.net.au>

Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM said:
> I'd comment, but I don't see a description of the problem anywhere.
> You keep saying "the bounces problem" like we all know what you mean.
> I don't. 

<aol mode>
Me neither :)
</aol mode>


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From dan at dpcsys.com  Fri Dec 17 04:43:22 1999
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:43:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II 
In-Reply-To: <199912170309.NAA01453@harper.gist.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.991216192459.12037A-100000@java.dpcsys.com>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Allen Bolderoff wrote:
> > I'd comment, but I don't see a description of the problem anywhere.
> > You keep saying "the bounces problem" like we all know what you mean.
> > I don't. 

I have *no* idea if this is what he is talking about but I'll relate
something I came across this week.

I added a new list with ~13K subscribers that used to be processed by
listproc.  The list owner hadn't bothered keeping the list clean, it 
had a *lot* of bogus addresses in it.

It's an announce only list, the owner fired off a message and 5 minutes 
later the machine was running out of swap because of all the python
processes handling bounces.  Only about 1500 messages had gone out
and we had in excess of 100 python's running. (P400 w/ only 64M RAM).

Anyway, what I did was change the aliases so bounces went to a regular
mailbox and had the owner send the message again.  Everything worked fine
this time.

I wrote a perl script to extract the bounce addresses out of the mailbox
and handed the resulting list to remove_members.  So the list is clean(er)
now and I've switched the aliases back.  I don't expect any problems
next time he sends a message.

Maybe worth mentioning in the README?  "If you are importing addresses
from another list manager it might be wise to handle bounces manually
to get the list relatively clean before enabling automatic bounce
handling."

Dan
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 Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec 17 05:23:16 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:23:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Busarow <dan@dpcsys.com> 
   of "Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:43:22 PST." <Pine.BSF.3.96.991216192459.12037A-100000@java.dpcsys.com> 
References: <Pine.BSF.3.96.991216192459.12037A-100000@java.dpcsys.com> 
Message-ID: <E11yovE-0002kZ-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:43:22 -0800 (PST) 
Dan Busarow <dan at dpcsys.com> wrote:

> It's an announce only list, the owner fired off a message and 5
> minutes later the machine was running out of swap because of all
> the python processes handling bounces.  Only about 1500 messages
> had gone out and we had in excess of 100 python's running. (P400
> w/ only 64M RAM).

I find it more curious that your MTA is configured to allow 100's of
simultaneous deliveries.  If you go limit the number of incoming
connections under your MTA, this problem wouldn't/shouldn't
reproduce.

Consider:  *ANYBODY*, right now, can bring your server to its knees
with a mail storm.  Bad ju jus.  Configure your MTA to protect
itself and your system.  Let your secondary MX'es, who are similarly 
configured, absorb peak loads.  Let the originating sites hold the
mail in normal SMTP fashion until the peak has smoothed out a bit.

-- 
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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec 17 05:53:28 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:53:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II 
References: <199912170309.NAA01453@harper.gist.net.au>
	<Pine.BSF.3.96.991216192459.12037A-100000@java.dpcsys.com>
Message-ID: <14425.49608.643590.909881@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

Mailman 1.2 (or will it be called 2.0? :) will improve bounce
processing considerably.  I've rewritten the bounce detector as a
pipeline, similar to the new message delivery pipeline.  I've also
added new bounce detectors for quite a number of common formats
(qmail, postfix, dsn, yahoo, ...).  I've got things set up on
python.org so that I see every missed bounce that my list admins see,
so at the very least, I'll be adding them to the test suite.  Trust
me, this incentivizes me to nail the most common bounce formats :)

There's ultimately no way to catch 100% of the bounces.  There are
just too many brain dead MTAs out there. :(

>>>>> "DB" == Dan Busarow <dan at dpcsys.com> writes:

    DB> It's an announce only list, the owner fired off a message and
    DB> 5 minutes later the machine was running out of swap because of
    DB> all the python processes handling bounces.  Only about 1500
    DB> messages had gone out and we had in excess of 100 python's
    DB> running. (P400 w/ only 64M RAM).

In Mailman 1.2, you'll get one Python process per bounce you receive.
No way around that, but at least it doesn't fork like crazy any more.
JC addressed this issue well in his response.

If you feel adventurous you can always try to the current CVS
snapshot.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec 17 06:06:56 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:06:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
References: <19991216132240.T24828@marc.merlins.org>
	<4.2.0.58.19991216133339.00a89220@jupiter.projectcool.com>
Message-ID: <14425.50416.827108.600484@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MS" == Michael Sweeney <sweeney at projectcool.com> writes:

    MS> I would just as soon see a feature that would automatically
    MS> unsubscribe (or at least disable) any address that sent mail
    MS> from an autoresponder.

If you could actually figure out how to /recognize/ such a message,
you could easily add a module to the new message processing
architecture that would do exactly this.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Dec 17 06:43:06 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:43:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in pending request handler
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912161215180.1633-100000@krondor.kva.hu>
Message-ID: <14425.52586.559586.821122@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "BN" == Balazs Nagy <julian7 at kva.hu> writes:

    BN> Bug in Mailman version 1.2 (experimental)

    BN> We're sorry, we hit a bug!

    BN> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please
    BN> email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with
    BN> a description of what happened. Thanks!

Ack!  Are you running some kind of partially updated tree?  Somehow
the lists's request.db file has gotten corrupted.  If you unmarshal
it, what do you get?  Take a look at ListAdmin.py for details.

-Barry



From prudek at nembv.cz  Fri Dec 17 07:41:42 1999
From: prudek at nembv.cz (Milos Prudek)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:41:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim
Message-ID: <3859DB26.33E0B173@nembv.cz>

I just replaced sendmail with exim. Mailman stopped working. Every mail
sent to a conference bounces between internal mailserver (HP-UX with
sendmail) and out internet gateway(previously sendmail+mailman, now
exim+mailman). 

I use mailman only for an intranet conference. All users use HP-UX as
SMTP server, which in turn forwards everything to internet gw for
processing.

According to exim test mode (exim -bt), wrapper is called correctly.

--
Milos Prudek



From patrick at ruby.med.cuhk.edu.hk  Fri Dec 17 07:57:41 1999
From: patrick at ruby.med.cuhk.edu.hk (Patrick Lam)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:57:41 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in setting up Mailman
Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991217145555.00c85150@mailserv.med.cuhk.edu.hk>

Dear All,

	Have anyone get the following error message while running Mailman??

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner pktest"
     (expanded from: pktest-admin)

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner pktest"... Service unavailable

	It seems that wrapper cannot be run.

	Thank you very much for your kind attention!!

Regards,
Patrick
-------------------------------------------------------
Patrick Lam
Computer Services Unit,
Faculty of Medicine,
The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Tel : 21455213          Fax : 26352521
-------------------------------------------------------




From arety at dolphinics.no  Fri Dec 17 08:10:32 1999
From: arety at dolphinics.no (Are Tysland)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:10:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies: possible to do without?
Message-ID: <199912170712.IAA10122@scispor.dolphinics.no>

A new problem has noted itself on my old MM-lists: Cookies.
Yes, my main browser at the office handles this fine, but on my
Psion5 (with dialin to the lan via GSM) does not handle cookies
(at least not version 1.52f) at all. Since this is the only
connection I have when I'm out and I would like to be able to
admin the lists during vacations too, I would like to know if
there are any workarounds for MM to /not/ use cookies. Anyone?


Are Tysland

- at -



From patrick at ruby.med.cuhk.edu.hk  Fri Dec 17 10:28:48 1999
From: patrick at ruby.med.cuhk.edu.hk (Patrick Lam)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:28:48 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in relaying
Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991217172651.00c8d470@mailserv.med.cuhk.edu.hk>

Dear Expects,

	Another stupid question:

Dec 17 15:18:07 pigeon sendmail[974]: PAA00974: ruleset=check_rcpt, 
arg1=<patric
k at med.cuhk.edu.hk>, relay=IDENT:nobody at localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 
<patric
k at med.cuhk.edu.hk>... Relaying denied

	I got the above error and found that Mailman wrongly recognize 
nobody at localhost as the relaying host, but other email tools function well !!!

	Thank you very much for your kind help and attention!!

Regards,
Patrick
-------------------------------------------------------
Patrick Lam
Computer Services Unit,
Faculty of Medicine,
The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Tel : 21455213          Fax : 26352521
-------------------------------------------------------




From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Fri Dec 17 11:07:01 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:07:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Barry A. Warsaw" <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> 
   of "Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:06:56 EST." <14425.50416.827108.600484@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> 
Message-ID: <E11yuHt-0003Ts-00@rioja.localnet>

> Barry A. Warsaw wrote:-
> >>>>> "MS" == Michael Sweeney <sweeney at projectcool.com> writes:
> 
>     MS> I would just as soon see a feature that would automatically
>     MS> unsubscribe (or at least disable) any address that sent mail
>     MS> from an autoresponder.
> 
> If you could actually figure out how to /recognize/ such a message,
> you could easily add a module to the new message processing
> architecture that would do exactly this.

Of course its even harder than that...
Everyone thinks that autoreplies are easy, and so there are dozens of 
implementations out there, most of which are totally broken.  So 
autorepliers break into 2 types:-

  1. Sane ones that follow the rules.  They will (generally) only
     autoreply to mail thats been sent to the specific address
     (so they may well autoreply to the monthly list password
     messages), but they will not autoreply to list messages.
     These ones are not a problem.

  2. Other autoreply systems.  All bets are off.  They can probably
     set up mail loops for you, they will be specially designed to
     work out the least appropriate address to send their output to
     and anything else that can cause you trouble.
     Practically by definition they are very hard to auto-detect!

One reference thats worth looking at on this is
  http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/users/reriksso/mail/autoresponder-faq.html

The writing style of that URL is not a good indication as to its 
technical content :-)

	Nigel.


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From secabeen at pobox.com  Fri Dec 17 17:19:07 1999
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:19:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:53:28 EST."
             <14425.49608.643590.909881@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> 
Message-ID: <199912171619.KAA25542@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <14425.49608.643590.909881 at anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>, "Barry A. Wars
aw" writes:
>Mailman 1.2 (or will it be called 2.0? :) will improve bounce
>processing considerably.  I've rewritten the bounce detector as a
>pipeline, similar to the new message delivery pipeline.  I've also
>added new bounce detectors for quite a number of common formats
>(qmail, postfix, dsn, yahoo, ...).  I've got things set up on
>python.org so that I see every missed bounce that my list admins see,
>so at the very least, I'll be adding them to the test suite.  Trust
>me, this incentivizes me to nail the most common bounce formats :)

One other bounce thing is it would be nice for mailman to try and process the 
bounces from the monthly password reminders instead of sending them all to 
mailman-owner.  Really even having them go the list admin would be fine, 
but processing those messages for bounces would be the best.
 
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From dan at dpcsys.com  Fri Dec 17 18:04:45 1999
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:04:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II 
In-Reply-To: <E11yovE-0002kZ-00@dingo.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.991217085822.26337A-100000@java.dpcsys.com>

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Consider:  *ANYBODY*, right now, can bring your server to its knees
> with a mail storm.  Bad ju jus.  Configure your MTA to protect
> itself and your system.  Let your secondary MX'es, who are similarly 
> configured, absorb peak loads.  Let the originating sites hold the
> mail in normal SMTP fashion until the peak has smoothed out a bit.

This volume isn't particularly high for straight sendmail/procmail
delivery.  We see higher during large spam runs.  But throw python
in the picture and things go down hill fast.  I'm sure it would be
worse if we were using perl as an MDA :)

Dan
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec 17 18:12:14 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:12:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim 
In-Reply-To: Message from Milos Prudek <prudek@nembv.cz> 
   of "Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:41:42 +0100." <3859DB26.33E0B173@nembv.cz> 
References: <3859DB26.33E0B173@nembv.cz> 
Message-ID: <E11z0vO-0004pw-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:41:42 +0100 
Milos Prudek <prudek at nembv.cz> wrote:

> I just replaced sendmail with exim. Mailman stopped working. Every
> mail sent to a conference bounces between internal mailserver
> (HP-UX with sendmail) and out internet gateway(previously
> sendmail+mailman, now exim+mailman).

What is the bounce message?  Why does it say it is bouncing?  What
does Exim's mainlog state?  Its rejectlog?  

There's an audit trail out there:  What does it say?

> According to exim test mode (exim -bt), wrapper is called
> correctly.

What is "correctly"?

Will a message written on the Exim-based system reach MailMan?
(Actually do it -- don't rely on `exim -q`).  

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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec 17 18:13:42 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:13:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies: possible to do without? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Are Tysland" <arety@dolphinics.no> 
   of "Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:10:32 +0100." <199912170712.IAA10122@scispor.dolphinics.no> 
References: <199912170712.IAA10122@scispor.dolphinics.no> 
Message-ID: <E11z0wo-0004sB-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:10:32 +0100 
Are Tysland <arety at dolphinics.no> wrote:

> A new problem has noted itself on my old MM-lists: Cookies.  Yes,
> my main browser at the office handles this fine, but on my Psion5
> (with dialin to the lan via GSM) does not handle cookies (at least
> not version 1.52f) at all. 

First (ugly) thought:

  telnet from your psion to a *nix box and then run lynx?

Ugly, but it might work,

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From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Fri Dec 17 18:19:10 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:19:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim 
In-Reply-To: Message from J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> 
   of "Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:12:14 PST." <E11z0vO-0004pw-00@dingo.kanga.nu> 
Message-ID: <E11z126-0004i8-00@rioja.localnet>

As J C Lawrence said there is a lot of logging data from exim - that 
should certainly let you pin down the problem.  Also there is the log 
data from mailman itself in its logs directory.

Your most likely problem is that exim is not set to allow relaying from 
127.0.0.1.

	Nigel.
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec 17 18:28:32 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:28:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Busarow <dan@dpcsys.com> 
   of "Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:04:45 PST." <Pine.BSF.3.96.991217085822.26337A-100000@java.dpcsys.com> 
References: <Pine.BSF.3.96.991217085822.26337A-100000@java.dpcsys.com> 
Message-ID: <E11z1BA-0004xZ-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:04:45 -0800 (PST) 
Dan Busarow <dan at dpcsys.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> Consider: *ANYBODY*, right now, can bring your server to its
>> knees with a mail storm.  Bad ju jus.  Configure your MTA to
>> protect itself and your system.  Let your secondary MX'es, who
>> are similarly configured, absorb peak loads.  Let the originating
>> sites hold the mail in normal SMTP fashion until the peak has
>> smoothed out a bit.

> This volume isn't particularly high for straight sendmail/procmail
> delivery.  We see higher during large spam runs.  But throw python
> in the picture and things go down hill fast.  

Ahh.  Yes, that it would.  You said 100's -- just how large are you
talking?  While my current mail server is a little heftier than
yours (dual P-333 with 512Meg RAM, Ultra-SCSI III disks and
configured for 30 queue runners) even with an inbound rate of ~500
messages per minute all of them headed to MailMan in some fashion
(list posts or bounces) I haven't seen the system load go over 16.

If you need limit to a smaller number without limiting your
incomings, then a simple procmail rule inserted in front of the
bounce wrapper to serialise or at least limit parallelism for
bounces would probably do it.

-- 
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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
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From dan at dpcsys.com  Fri Dec 17 19:23:26 1999
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:23:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Issue - Revisit II 
In-Reply-To: <E11z1BA-0004xZ-00@dingo.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.991217100227.26337C-100000@java.dpcsys.com>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:04:45 -0800 (PST) 
> Dan Busarow <dan at dpcsys.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:
> >> Consider: *ANYBODY*, right now, can bring your server to its
> >> knees with a mail storm.  Bad ju jus.  Configure your MTA to
> >> protect itself and your system.  Let your secondary MX'es, who
> >> are similarly configured, absorb peak loads.  Let the originating
> >> sites hold the mail in normal SMTP fashion until the peak has
> >> smoothed out a bit.
> 
> > This volume isn't particularly high for straight sendmail/procmail
> > delivery.  We see higher during large spam runs.  But throw python
> > in the picture and things go down hill fast.  
> 
> Ahh.  Yes, that it would.  You said 100's -- just how large are you
> talking?  While my current mail server is a little heftier than
> yours (dual P-333 with 512Meg RAM, Ultra-SCSI III disks and
> configured for 30 queue runners) even with an inbound rate of ~500
> messages per minute all of them headed to MailMan in some fashion
> (list posts or bounces) I haven't seen the system load go over 16.

100's is misleading, should have been "over a 100" based on top.
The system (FreeBSD 3.3) was still running but had hit a threshold
where new pythons would fail during the exec.  Just a memory
starvation issue.

> If you need limit to a smaller number without limiting your
> incomings, then a simple procmail rule inserted in front of the
> bounce wrapper to serialise or at least limit parallelism for
> bounces would probably do it.

That's a really good idea, I'll do that.  But I don't think we'll
be seeing this problem going forward.  Like I said, this was a really 
dirty list with 3 or more years of neglected mainenance.  Between
mailman requiring confirmation for new subs plus "normal" bounce
handling during regular operation I don't think this list will
ever get into as bad of shape as it was.  This was the last of
our listproc lists to convert so I won't have the dirty list
problem anytime soon.  KOW

Thanks,
Dan
-- 
 Dan Busarow                                                  949 443 4172
 Dana Point Communications, Inc.                            dan at dpcsys.com
 Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82




From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec 17 22:08:44 1999
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:08:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
Message-ID: <385AA65C.17025451@west.sun.com>

I know I can write interactive Python code to extract the welcome 
message, write it to a file so I can edit it, and suck it back
in, but that should be easier than it is; if it needs to stay in
config.db for reasons I don't understand, perhaps config.db could
look in a configurable path for a file with a timestamp and
decide "oh, it's changed, I should snarf in a new one".
(Customizable welcome messages are almost always used, IMO.)

Also, it would be nice if the "subscription" text could appear
at the beginning rather than the end.

I'll probably attempt to hack both these in.



From nick at zork.net  Fri Dec 17 22:12:52 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:12:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <E11yuHt-0003Ts-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel Metheringham on Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 10:07:01AM +0000
References: <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> <E11yuHt-0003Ts-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <19991217131252.S30803@zork.net>

Quoting Nigel Metheringham:
>   1. Sane ones that follow the rules.  They will (generally) only
>      autoreply to mail thats been sent to the specific address
>      (so they may well autoreply to the monthly list password
>      messages), but they will not autoreply to list messages.
>      These ones are not a problem.

	It's even easier than that: 

Precedence: bulk

	If the message has that header, just ignore it.

-- 
CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks



From oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe  Fri Dec 17 23:36:05 1999
From: oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe (Oscar Valdez)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:36:05 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ERROR!!
Message-ID: <m11z5yn-000FzxC@colca.rcp.net.pe>

When a user send a mail to the list (sun) in my server doesnt work, here
is the smail's log:
 
12/16/1999 16:59:14: [m11yiva-000aN9C] Received FROM:user at dom.com
HOST:mail.dom.com[192.0.0.1] PROTOCOL:smtp PROGRAM:sendmail
ORIG-ID:<m11yijS-006aq9C at mail.dom.com> SIZE:2116
12/16/1999 16:59:14: [m11yiva-000aN9C] note:
"|/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sun" ... transport
pipe: child returned status EX_2 (2)
12/16/1999 16:59:14: [m11yiva-000aN9C] Delivered
TO:/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sun
ORIG-TO:<sun-request at etrn.rcp.net.pe> DIRECTOR:aliases TRANSPORT:pipe
12/16/1999 16:59:14: [m11yiva-000aN9C] Completed.

The alias is /etc/aliases:
## sun mailing list
## created: 16-Dec-1999 operador
sun:                     "|/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper post sun"
sun-admin:               "|/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner sun"
sun-request:             "|/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sun"
owner-sun:               sun-admin
sun-owner:               sun-admin

So, here is a log of the wrapper command, it seems that i dont have any of
those libraries or archives, really i had search those files and i dont
have it, any ideas??? 


10597:  open("/usr/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)            = 3
10597:  open("/dev/zero", O_RDONLY)                     = 4
10597:  open("/usr/lib/libdl.so.1", O_RDONLY)           = 3
10597:  open("/usr/platform/SUNW,SPARCstation-4/lib/libc_psr.so.1",
O_RDONLY) Er
r#2 ENOENT
10597:  open("/usr/lib/libsocket.so.1", O_RDONLY)       = 3
10597:  open("/dev/zero", O_RDONLY)                     = 4
10597:  open("/usr/lib/libnsl.so.1", O_RDONLY)          = 3
10597:  open("/usr/lib/libdl.so.1", O_RDONLY)           = 3
10597:  open("/usr/lib/libm.so.1", O_RDONLY)            = 3
10597:  open("/usr/lib/libc.so.1", O_RDONLY)            = 3
10597:  open("/usr/lib/libmp.so.2", O_RDONLY)           = 3
10597:  open("/usr/platform/SUNW,SPARCstation-4/lib/libc_psr.so.1",
O_RDONLY) Er
r#2 ENOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", O_RDONLY)
= 3
10597:  stat("/usr/local/bin/Modules/Setup", 0xEFFFE5F0) Err#2 ENOENT
10597:  stat("/usr/local/bin/lib/python1.5/string.py", 0xEFFFE580) = 0
10597:  stat("/usr/local/bin/Modules/Setup", 0xEFFFE5F0) Err#2 ENOENT
10597:  stat("/usr/local/bin/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload", 0xEFFFE5F0) = 0
10597:  stat("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/exceptions", 0xEFFFE490)
Err#2 EN
OENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/exceptions.so", O_RDONLY)
Err#2 E
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/exceptions.so", O_RDONLY)
Err#2 E
NOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/exceptionsmodule.so",
O_RDONLY) E
rr#2 ENOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/exceptions.py", O_RDONLY)
Err#2 E
NOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/exceptions.pyc", O_RDONLY)
Err#2 
ENOENT
10597:  stat("/usr/local/bin/lib/python1.5/exceptions", 0xEFFFE490) Err#2
ENOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/bin/lib/python1.5/exceptions.so", O_RDONLY) Err#2
ENOEN
T
10597:  open("/usr/local/bin/lib/python1.5/exceptionsmodule.so", O_RDONLY)
Err#2
 ENOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/bin/lib/python1.5/exceptions.py", O_RDONLY) = 4
10597:  open("/usr/local/bin/lib/python1.5/exceptions.pyc", O_RDONLY) = 5
10597:  stat("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/scripts/paths", 0xEFFFE198)
Err#2
 ENOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/scripts/paths.so",
O_RDONLY) Err#
2 ENOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/scripts/pathsmodule.so",
O_RDONLY
) Err#2 ENOENT
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/scripts/paths.py",
O_RDONLY) = 4
10597:  open("/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/scripts/paths.pyc",
O_RDONLY) = 5

and many more...
Also the cron generate bad messages without the domain name:

12,42 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/cron/run_queue

this is the log, my hostname is etrn, i have smail and mailman 1.2 with
python 1.52 apache 1.3.9

12/17/1999 17:10:17: [m11z5Zp-000aNWC] Completed.
12/17/1999 17:12:01: [12681] remote MAIL FROM:
'<mailman-owner at etrn>size=1409' target 'etrn' is not a valid domain; by
etrn [161.132.1.199].
12/17/1999 17:12:01: [12682] remote MAIL FROM:
'<mailman-owner at etrn>size=1408' target 'etrn' is not a valid domain; by
etrn [161.132.1.199].
12/17/1999 17:12:01: [12683] remote MAIL FROM:
'<mailman-owner at etrn>size=1417' target 'etrn' is not a valid domain; by
etrn [161.132.1.199].
12/17/1999 17:12:01: [12684] remote MAIL FROM:
'<mailman-owner at etrn>size=1413' target 'etrn' is not a valid domain; by
etrn [161.132.1.199].
12/17/1999 17:12:01: [12685] remote MAIL FROM:
'<mailman-owner at etrn>size=1413' target 'etrn' is not a valid domain; by
etrn [161.132.1.199].
12/17/1999 17:12:01: [12686] remote MAIL FROM:
'<mailman-owner at etrn>size=1402' target 'etrn' is not a valid domain; by
etrn [161.132.1.199].

Where are the archives need to modify??, do you have a COMPLETE manual or
URLS??

Thanks a lot

-- 
Oscar



From oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe  Sat Dec 18 00:01:59 1999
From: oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe (Oscar Valdez)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:01:59 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ANOTHER ERROR!
Message-ID: <m11z6Nr-000FzxC@colca.rcp.net.pe>

/var/log/syslog
Dec 15 19:23:10 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Usage: ./wrapper program
[args...]
Dec 15 19:23:14 etrn last message repeated 5 times
Dec 15 19:25:01 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 1,
 GOT gid 10.  (Reconfigure to take 10?)
Dec 15 19:25:20 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: operador
Dec 16 16:59:14 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 1,
 GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
Dec 16 17:22:25 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 1,
 GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
Dec 16 17:35:04 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 1,
 GOT gid 10.  (Reconfigure to take 10?)
Dec 16 17:35:19 etrn last message repeated 1 time
Dec 16 18:12:23 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 1,
 GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
Dec 16 19:03:58 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 1,
 GOT gid 10.  (Reconfigure to take 10?)

-- 
Oscar



From glennm at mediaone.net  Sat Dec 18 00:32:04 1999
From: glennm at mediaone.net (Glenn F . Maynard)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:32:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe address
Message-ID: <19991217183204.A1034@zoot.ne.mediaone.net>

Situation: I send a 'subscribe' mail to my list.  From: is
glennm at mediaone.net (no reply-to); Sender: is glenn at zoot.ne.mediaone.net.
The list attempts to subscribe Sender, instead of From; the only way I can
get my actual address subbed is to do it via the web mechanisms, and most
people don't want to do that (myself included.)

I'm not sure where the actual problem is (should my sender be my address? I
don't think so.  It ignores Reply-To just the same), but in practice this
means lots of people have trouble subscribing.  Is there a quick way to
get the list to take the From (or Reply-to, first, if it's there), rather
then Sender?  (Even if this breaks RFCs, it'd be a fix for my situation.)

Due to this, I'm also forced to allow posting from nonsubscribers (which, for
one of my lists, is a bad thing).  Disallowing that, I have to add two
accounts for myself; one for the one actually receiving mail
(glennm at mediaone.net) and a post-only one (glenn at zoot.ne.mediaone.net).  If
the list checked From and Reply-to, this wouldn't be needed.

I've not had this problem on other lists; am I missing a simple configuration
option? 

-- 
Glenn Maynard



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Dec 18 01:34:28 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:34:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ANOTHER ERROR!
Message-ID: <199912180034.QAA09908@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

>From INSTALL:

2. Running configure

    TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE --with-mail-gid AND --with-cgi-gid
    OPTIONS BELOW.  YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO USE THESE!

Your problem has to do with these configure options.

> /var/log/syslog
> Dec 15 19:23:10 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Usage: ./wrapper program
> [args...]
> Dec 15 19:23:14 etrn last message repeated 5 times
> Dec 15 19:25:01 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 1,
>  GOT gid 10.  (Reconfigure to take 10?)
> Dec 15 19:25:20 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Illegal command: operador
> Dec 16 16:59:14 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 1,
>  GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
> Dec 16 17:22:25 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 1,
>  GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
> Dec 16 17:35:04 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 1,
>  GOT gid 10.  (Reconfigure to take 10?)
> Dec 16 17:35:19 etrn last message repeated 1 time
> Dec 16 18:12:23 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 1,
>  GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
> Dec 16 19:03:58 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 1,
>  GOT gid 10.  (Reconfigure to take 10?)
> 
> -- 
> Oscar




From oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe  Sat Dec 18 04:20:57 1999
From: oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe (Oscar Valdez)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:20:57 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!
Message-ID: <m11zAQU-000FzxC@colca.rcp.net.pe>

I had reinstalled mamilman 3 timesw, but i have the same error:

/var/log/syslog:
Dec 17 22:04:12 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 1, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)

./configure --prefix=/usr/mailman --with-mail-gid=1 --with-cgi-gid=1
dont work

./configure --prefix=/usr/mailman --with-mail-gid=1 --with-cgi-gid=60001
dont work
what is the correct option?????

/etc/passwd:
mailman:x:101:1:Mailman:/usr/mailman:/bin/tcsh

/etc/group:
mailman::1:mailman

or i need to modify passwd and group???THANKS A LOT

-- 
Oscar



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Dec 18 04:12:16 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:12:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!
Message-ID: <199912180312.TAA14244@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> From: oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe (Oscar Valdez)
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:20:57 -0500 (PET)
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!
> X-Beenthere: mailman-users at python.org
> X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental)
> List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
> 
> I had reinstalled mamilman 3 timesw, but i have the same error:
> 
> /var/log/syslog:
> Dec 17 22:04:12 etrn Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 1, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
> 
> ./configure --prefix=/usr/mailman --with-mail-gid=1 --with-cgi-gid=1
> dont work
> 
> ./configure --prefix=/usr/mailman --with-mail-gid=1 --with-cgi-gid=60001
> dont work
> what is the correct option?????
> 
> /etc/passwd:
> mailman:x:101:1:Mailman:/usr/mailman:/bin/tcsh
> 
> /etc/group:
> mailman::1:mailman
> 
> or i need to modify passwd and group???THANKS A LOT
> 

Weeeelll, let's see here: it says "mail" and "WANTED gid 1, got gid
60001".  You've tried "GID 1" both times for the "mail-gid".

Maybe you want to try 60001 for the mail-gid?






From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Dec 18 04:31:14 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:31:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
Message-ID: <199912180331.TAA14789@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Also, it would be nice if the "subscription" text could appear
> at the beginning rather than the end.

I see, after reading the One True Doc (the code), that such is
already possible just by editing templates/subscribeack.txt.
I've moved our welcome to the bottom, and added huge screaming
text at the top saying

SAVE THIS MESSAGE!!!  YOU WILL NEED IT TO UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!

IT CONTAINS INSTRUCTIONS AND A PASSWORD THAT YOU WILL NEED TO 
UNSUBSCRIBE!!!

REALLY!  SAVE THIS MESSAGE!




From oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe  Sat Dec 18 04:42:54 1999
From: oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe (Oscar Valdez)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:42:54 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] THANKS A LOT !!!!!!
Message-ID: <m11zAli-000FzxC@colca.rcp.net.pe>

WORKS!!! Thanks a lot people, Paul and Dan, THANKS
-- 
Oscar



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Sat Dec 18 05:38:16 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:38:16 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "invalid uri"
Message-ID: <19991218153816.C27264@tertius.net.au>

All of a sudden I am geting weird errors when I try to access
some of my lists.  This is happening for listinfo, admin -and-
admindb pages for some lists only:

                                  Bad Request

   Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.

   Invalid URI in request GET mailman/admindb/asrmel HTTP/1.0


They all have worked perfectly for motnhs before this.  Anybody got any
ideas?


bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: Happiness is a butterfly which when pursued is just beyond your
: grasp but if you will sit down quietly, may alight upon you.
: -- Nathaniel Hawthorne



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sat Dec 18 16:31:16 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:31:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "invalid uri"
In-Reply-To: <19991218153816.C27264@tertius.net.au>; from Bek Oberin on Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 03:38:16PM +1100
References: <19991218153816.C27264@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <19991218103116.A1884@xcski.com>

Quoting Bek Oberin (gossamer at tertius.net.au):
> All of a sudden I am geting weird errors when I try to access
> some of my lists.  This is happening for listinfo, admin -and-
> admindb pages for some lists only:
> 
>                                   Bad Request
> 
>    Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.
> 
>    Invalid URI in request GET mailman/admindb/asrmel HTTP/1.0
> 
> 
> They all have worked perfectly for motnhs before this.  Anybody got any
> ideas?

What happens if you telnet to the web server and try the GET directly?  With
and without a leading /?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Sun Dec 19 01:42:52 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:42:52 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "invalid uri"
In-Reply-To: <19991218103116.A1884@xcski.com>
References: <19991218153816.C27264@tertius.net.au> <19991218103116.A1884@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <19991219114251.F12378@tertius.net.au>

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> Quoting Bek Oberin (gossamer at tertius.net.au):
> > All of a sudden I am geting weird errors when I try to access
> > some of my lists.  This is happening for listinfo, admin -and-
> > admindb pages for some lists only:
> >                                   Bad Request
> >    Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.
> >    Invalid URI in request GET mailman/admindb/asrmel HTTP/1.0
> > They all have worked perfectly for motnhs before this.  Anybody got any
> > ideas?
> What happens if you telnet to the web server and try the GET directly?  With
> and without a leading /?

Without the leading / I get the same error
With the leading / it seems to work.


bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: ... I've seen Sun monitors on fire off the side of the
: multimedia lab. I've seen NTU lights glitter in the dark near
: the Mail Gate. All these things will be lost in time, like the
: root partition last week. Time to die...
: -- Peter Gutmann, alt.sysadmin.recovery



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sun Dec 19 04:39:29 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:39:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "invalid uri"
In-Reply-To: <19991219114251.F12378@tertius.net.au>; from Bek Oberin on Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 11:42:52AM +1100
References: <19991218153816.C27264@tertius.net.au> <19991218103116.A1884@xcski.com> <19991219114251.F12378@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <19991218223929.A3768@xcski.com>

Quoting Bek Oberin (gossamer at tertius.net.au):
> Paul Tomblin wrote:
> > Quoting Bek Oberin (gossamer at tertius.net.au):
> > > All of a sudden I am geting weird errors when I try to access
> > > some of my lists.  This is happening for listinfo, admin -and-
> > > admindb pages for some lists only:
> > >                                   Bad Request
> > >    Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.
> > >    Invalid URI in request GET mailman/admindb/asrmel HTTP/1.0
> > > They all have worked perfectly for motnhs before this.  Anybody got any
> > > ideas?
> > What happens if you telnet to the web server and try the GET directly?  With
> > and without a leading /?
> 
> Without the leading / I get the same error
> With the leading / it seems to work.

That's bizarre.  I don't see how going to any normal URL could cause a "GET"
command without a leading slash to be sent to the httpd.  Unless you have a
URL like "http:mailman/admindb/asrmel" somewhere on your site and that's what
you're clicking to get there.  Because if you were to type the URL
http://xcski.com/mailman/admindb/upstateav, that should cause your browser to
say "hmmm, ok, that's a url on xcski.com, so I'll connect to port 80 on
xcski.com, and issue the command ``GET /mailman/admindb/upstateav HTTP/1.0''".


-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Sun Dec 19 22:25:08 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 08:25:08 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "invalid uri"
In-Reply-To: <19991218223929.A3768@xcski.com>
References: <19991218153816.C27264@tertius.net.au> <19991218103116.A1884@xcski.com> <19991219114251.F12378@tertius.net.au> <19991218223929.A3768@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <19991220082508.M12378@tertius.net.au>

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> Quoting Bek Oberin (gossamer at tertius.net.au):
>> Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>> Quoting Bek Oberin (gossamer at tertius.net.au):
>>>>                                   Bad Request
>>>>    Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.
>>>>    Invalid URI in request GET mailman/admindb/asrmel HTTP/1.0
[...]
> That's bizarre.  I don't see how going to any normal URL could cause
> a "GET" command without a leading slash to be sent to the httpd. 
> Unless you have a URL like "http:mailman/admindb/asrmel" somewhere
> on your site and that's what you're clicking to get there.  Because
> if you were to type the URL
> http://xcski.com/mailman/admindb/upstateav, that should cause your
> browser to say "hmmm, ok, that's a url on xcski.com, so I'll connect
> to port 80 on xcski.com, and issue the command ``GET
> /mailman/admindb/upstateav HTTP/1.0''".

Okay, I figured it out.  It   seems to be a weird bug that
happens in Lynx (at least) when you have http_proxy set to
the null string.  If I  unset the variables (like I should
have done in the first place) then it starts to work again

I remain, as always, baffled.

bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: "Why is Perl so much worse than Python?" That's easy.  Perl is
: worse than Python because people wanted it worse.  -- Larry Wall



From maren at leizaola.com  Sun Dec 19 22:41:31 1999
From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 05:41:31 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists and Moderated Lists...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912200539100.32719-100000@leizaola.com>

Hi,
	I am  new to Mailman, how does one do an announcement list to
which users can not e-mail to the rest of the list users, by clicking
reply?

How does one run a moderated list?

Regards,
Maren.




From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Sun Dec 19 23:44:00 1999
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 14:44:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists and Moderated Lists...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912200539100.32719-100000@leizaola.com>
Message-ID: <385D5FB0.73FBCFF9@west.sun.com>

"Maren S. Leizaola" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>         I am  new to Mailman, how does one do an announcement list to
> which users can not e-mail to the rest of the list users, by clicking
> reply?

Well, certainly one thing you could do is visit "Privacy Options" and
turn on "Must posts be approved by an administrator?"

Far easier, though, is just to have requests to be added wait for
processing, add them to a private, unadvertised simple alias,
and then send any mail out with To: <listadmin>  From: <listadmin>
Bcc: <real-private-alias>; then no one even *can* respond to anyone
but <listadmin>.
 
> How does one run a moderated list?

What do you mean?  "What tasks are involved", or something more
simple, like "how is it set up"?



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From maren at leizaola.com  Mon Dec 20 07:32:10 1999
From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:32:10 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists and Moderated Lists...
In-Reply-To: <385D5FB0.73FBCFF9@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201423260.1115-100000@leizaola.com>

On Sun, 19 Dec 1999, Dan Mick wrote:

> "Maren S. Leizaola" wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> >         I am  new to Mailman, how does one do an announcement list to
> > which users can not e-mail to the rest of the list users, by clicking
> > reply?
> 
> Well, certainly one thing you could do is visit "Privacy Options" and
> turn on "Must posts be approved by an administrator?"

Ok... I missed those totally...

> 
> Far easier, though, is just to have requests to be added wait for
> processing, add them to a private, unadvertised simple alias,
> and then send any mail out with To: <listadmin>  From: <listadmin>
> Bcc: <real-private-alias>; then no one even *can* respond to anyone
> but <listadmin>.

Yes, I've thought of this but my experience is that sooner or later you
make and mistake and you show the private-alias list in your cc or
elsewhere with bad consequences.

>  
> > How does one run a moderated list?
> 

Ok... if that approve moderated option is there... It is great.

Is there any way to send all e-mail to smart relay for it to do the mail
delivery rather than opening so many sendmail clients. I would like to be
able to deliver a single mail message to my ISPs mail relay and use his
bandwidth for the mailing list expansion and delivery?

Regards,
Maren.




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Dec 20 08:15:26 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:15:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists and Moderated Lists... 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Maren S. Leizaola" <maren@leizaola.com> 
   of "Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:32:10 +0800." <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201423260.1115-100000@leizaola.com> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201423260.1115-100000@leizaola.com> 
Message-ID: <E11zx2U-0000Ix-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:32:10 +0800 (CST) 
Maren S Leizaola <maren at leizaola.com> wrote:

> Is there any way to send all e-mail to smart relay for it to do
> the mail delivery rather than opening so many sendmail clients. I
> would like to be able to deliver a single mail message to my ISPs
> mail relay and use his bandwidth for the mailing list expansion
> and delivery?

There are two ways to do this:

  1) You can tell MailMan to deliver via SMTP to your ISP's mail
server (this is part of the normal configs when you define what mail
server for MailMan to use)

  2) You configure your MTA to use your ISP's mail server as a
smarthost.  MailMan then delivers mail to your local MTA which then
immediately bounces it to your ISP's mail server for delivery.  

I would recommend #2.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From maren at leizaola.com  Mon Dec 20 08:29:38 1999
From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:29:38 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists and Moderated Lists... 
In-Reply-To: <E11zx2U-0000Ix-00@dingo.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201527180.1115-100000@leizaola.com>

On Sun, 19 Dec 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:32:10 +0800 (CST) 
> Maren S Leizaola <maren at leizaola.com> wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way to send all e-mail to smart relay for it to do
> > the mail delivery rather than opening so many sendmail clients. I
> > would like to be able to deliver a single mail message to my ISPs
> > mail relay and use his bandwidth for the mailing list expansion
> > and delivery?
> 
> There are two ways to do this:
> 
>   1) You can tell MailMan to deliver via SMTP to your ISP's mail
> server (this is part of the normal configs when you define what mail
> server for MailMan to use)
> 

Can you point me to the right file/parameter where this is stored. I hope
I did not miss it on the web interface. :)

>   2) You configure your MTA to use your ISP's mail server as a
> smarthost.  MailMan then delivers mail to your local MTA which then
> immediately bounces it to your ISP's mail server for delivery.  
> 
> I would recommend #2.  

I thought of this but the problem is that it will spawn each individaul
message and deliver it to the ISP and what I am trying to avoid is using
bandwidth. This does not solve my problem.

regars,
Maren.

> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 




From iago at iago.net  Mon Dec 20 11:40:30 1999
From: iago at iago.net (Fred Hicks)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:40:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
Message-ID: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net>

  I've just gotten the latest mailman installed on my irix system (an
  O2).  I set up the test list and it, cosmetically, seemed to be fine;
  I added myself as a subscriber, poked around at the web interface,
  and so on.  Seemed to like it.

  Then I tried posting a message to the list.  Nothing.  Again.
  Nothing.  Checked syslog, and found this spew came up whenever I
  tried to send a message;

Dec 20 10:37:42 6C:iago sendmail[18714]: KAA18714: from=iago, size=5, class=0, pri=30005, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199912201037.KAA18714 at iago.net>, relay=iago at localhost
Dec 20 10:37:42 6C:iago sendmail[18714]: KAB18714: clone KAA18714, owner=testlist-admin
Dec 20 10:37:42 3C:iago Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 2147430212, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)
Dec 20 10:37:42 6C:iago sendmail[18716]: KAB18714: to="|/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist", delay=00:00:04, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2
Dec 20 10:37:42 6C:iago sendmail[18716]: KAB18714: KAA18716: DSN: unknown mailer error 2
Dec 20 10:37:42 3C:iago Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 2147430212, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)
Dec 20 10:37:42 6C:iago sendmail[18716]: KAA18716: to="|/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2
Dec 20 10:37:42 6C:iago sendmail[18716]: KAA18716: KAB18716: return to sender: unknown mailer error 2
Dec 20 10:37:43 6C:iago sendmail[18716]: KAB18716: to=root, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent

  Now, this doesn't seem to be as clear as 'reconfigure mailman to take
  0', because that's, well, what I did on the second or third
  recompile-with-a-different-mail-delivery-gid attempt.  I'm also not
  sure why it wants gid 2147430212, since that's, well, ludicrous.

  I feel as though I've tried FAQ-based solutions, and I've ended up
  stuck.  Am I encountering a solved problem here, and I'm just not applying
  the solution?  I sure hope so.

Thanks for any help,

Fred



From iago at iago.net  Mon Dec 20 11:43:30 1999
From: iago at iago.net (Fred Hicks)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:43:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net>
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net>
Message-ID: <19991220024330.H12660@iago.net>

  As a small embellishment, root is getting mail when these bounces happen,
  reporting the error:

554 "|/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist"... unknown mailer error 2

  /local/mailman/mail/wrapper is most certainly there...



From oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe  Mon Dec 20 13:44:05 1999
From: oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe (Oscar Valdez)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:44:05 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface to admin lists
Message-ID: <m1202AX-000FzxC@colca.rcp.net.pe>

hi, i wonder if exist a web interface to create, del or modify a list, nor via
newlist music, wonder if mailman itself has it.

-- 
Oscar



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Dec 20 13:45:20 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists and Moderated Lists...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201423260.1115-100000@leizaola.com>; from Maren S. Leizaola on Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 02:32:10PM +0800
References: <385D5FB0.73FBCFF9@west.sun.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201423260.1115-100000@leizaola.com>
Message-ID: <19991220074520.D6619@xcski.com>

Quoting Maren S. Leizaola (maren at leizaola.com):
> Yes, I've thought of this but my experience is that sooner or later you
> make and mistake and you show the private-alias list in your cc or
> elsewhere with bad consequences.

Yeah, I've wondered about this too.  My announce-only mailing list under
majordomo had only the "announcer" on the approved poster list, and reply-to
was set to the discussion list.  But I can't figure out how to set the
reply-to on mailman lists to anything other than the list it's coming from.

> Is there any way to send all e-mail to smart relay for it to do the mail
> delivery rather than opening so many sendmail clients. I would like to be
> able to deliver a single mail message to my ISPs mail relay and use his
> bandwidth for the mailing list expansion and delivery?

Mailman will open up 5 connections to the MTA by default, but you can reduce
that down to 1.  If the MTA is a smart relay, you only want one.  Similarly,
if your MTA is something like Postfix or qmail, you probably only want one.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Dec 20 13:47:00 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:47:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net>; from Fred Hicks on Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 02:40:30AM -0800
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net>
Message-ID: <19991220074700.E6619@xcski.com>

Quoting Fred Hicks (iago at iago.net):
>   recompile-with-a-different-mail-delivery-gid attempt.  I'm also not
>   sure why it wants gid 2147430212, since that's, well, ludicrous.

That gid number is probably "nobody", since "nobody"'s gid is almost always
-1, and 21477430212 is what you see when yo specify a negative number to a
program that takes an unsigned int.


-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Dec 20 13:49:59 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <19991220024330.H12660@iago.net>; from Fred Hicks on Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 02:43:30AM -0800
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net> <19991220024330.H12660@iago.net>
Message-ID: <19991220074959.F6619@xcski.com>

Quoting Fred Hicks (iago at iago.net):
> 
>   As a small embellishment, root is getting mail when these bounces happen,
>   reporting the error:
> 
> 554 "|/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
>   /local/mailman/mail/wrapper is most certainly there...

That's a smrsh problem.  Depending on how smrsh is configured, you have to
place a symlink to /local/mailman/mail/wrapper in either /etc/smrsh or
somewhere else.


-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From prudek at nembv.cz  Mon Dec 20 14:53:54 1999
From: prudek at nembv.cz (Milos Prudek)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:53:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim
References: <3859DB26.33E0B173@nembv.cz> <E11z0vO-0004pw-00@dingo.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <385E34F2.237A00C7@nembv.cz>

> What is the bounce message?  Why does it say it is bouncing?  What
This is the bounce message:

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 Too many hops 27 (25 max): from <prudek at nembv.cz> via
[200.200.200.9], to <inet at bsdbv.nembv.cz>

Reporting-MTA: dns; hp-bv.nembv.cz
Received-From-MTA: DNS; [200.200.200.9]
Arrival-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:40:13 +0100 (MET)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; inet at bsdbv.nembv.cz
Action: failed
Status: 5.4.6
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:40:14 +0100 (MET)


SMTP Headers show that message is cycling between 200.200.200.9 and
200.200.200.40 (it's intranet. don't ask me why we are not using private
address space; suffice it to say we do not export those addresses :-).
Hmmmm. 200.200.200.9 is ethernet port of bsdbv.nembv.cz. This machine
also has a PPP interface with internet IP. But this conference should
definitely stay within intranet.

> does Exim's mainlog state?  Its rejectlog?

1999-12-15 16:30:14 11yGN5-0000b9-00 => inet at bsdbv.nembv.cz
R=send_to_gateway T=remote_smtp H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40]
1999-12-15 16:30:14 11yGN5-0000b9-00 Completed
1999-12-15 16:30:14 11yGNa-0000bE-00 <= prudemil at nembv.cz
H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40] P=esmtp S=1548
id=3857B2BB.730B649E at nembv.cz
1999-12-15 16:30:45 11yGNa-0000bE-00 => inet at bsdbv.nembv.cz
R=send_to_gateway T=remote_smtp H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40]
1999-12-15 16:30:45 11yGNa-0000bE-00 Completed
1999-12-15 16:30:45 11yGO5-0000bG-00 <= prudemil at nembv.cz
H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40] P=esmtp S=1889
id=3857B2BB.730B649E at nembv.cz
1999-12-15 16:31:16 11yGO5-0000bG-00 => inet at bsdbv.nembv.cz
R=send_to_gateway T=remote_smtp H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40]
1999-12-15 16:31:16 11yGO5-0000bG-00 Completed

et cetera....

Reject log doesn't say anything. The message is not rejected. 

> There's an audit trail out there:  What does it say?

What is an audit trail?

> > According to exim test mode (exim -bt), wrapper is called
> > correctly.
> 
> What is "correctly"?

[root at bsdbv exim]# exim -bt
> inet at nembv.cz
inet at nembv.cz -> |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post inet
>
[root at bsdbv exim]#



> Will a message written on the Exim-based system reach MailMan?
> (Actually do it -- don't rely on `exim -q`).

I used pine to send it from root account. It cycles:
1999-12-20 14:55:43 1203HN-0002H9-00 => inet at bsdbv.nembv.cz
R=send_to_gateway T=remote_smtp H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40]
1999-12-20 14:55:43 1203HN-0002H9-00 Completed
1999-12-20 14:55:43 1203Hr-0002HB-00 <= root at bsdbv.nembv.cz
H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40] P=esmtp S=1265
id=Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201453570.8743-100000 at bsdbv.nembv.cz
1999-12-20 14:56:14 1203Hr-0002HB-00 => inet at bsdbv.nembv.cz
R=send_to_gateway T=remote_smtp H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40]
1999-12-20 14:56:14 1203Hr-0002HB-00 Completed
1999-12-20 14:56:14 1203IM-0002HD-00 <= root at bsdbv.nembv.cz
H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40] P=esmtp S=1606
id=Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201453570.8743-100000 at bsdbv.nembv.cz
1999-12-20 14:56:45 1203IM-0002HD-00 => inet at bsdbv.nembv.cz
R=send_to_gateway T=remote_smtp H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40]
1999-12-20 14:56:45 1203IM-0002HD-00 Completed
1999-12-20 14:56:45 1203Ir-0002HF-00 <= root at bsdbv.nembv.cz
H=hp-bv.nembv.cz [200.200.200.40] P=esmtp S=1947
id=Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201453570.8743-100000 at bsdbv.nembv.cz


--
Milos Prudek



From prudek at nembv.cz  Mon Dec 20 15:02:43 1999
From: prudek at nembv.cz (Milos Prudek)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:02:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim
References: <E11z126-0004i8-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <385E3703.47EA3CDA@nembv.cz>

Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> 
> As J C Lawrence said there is a lot of logging data from exim - that
> should certainly let you pin down the problem.  Also there is the log
> data from mailman itself in its logs directory.

Mailman log do not show any new log entries since I dismantled sendmail.

> Your most likely problem is that exim is not set to allow relaying from
> 127.0.0.1.

Well, I have relay_domains = hp-bv.nembv.cz. I tried the following:

relay_domains = hp-bv.nembv.cz:127.0.0.1

which resulted in exim stopped ALL deliveries and HPUX sendmail being
refused:

Dec 20 14:59:43 hp-bv sendmail[966]: OAA00965: to=<prudek at seznam.cz>,
delay=00:0
0:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, relay=bsdbv.nembv.cz.
[194.212.141.250], st
at=Deferred: Connection refused by bsdbv.nembv.cz.

--
Milos Prudek



From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Mon Dec 20 15:23:20 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:23:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim 
In-Reply-To: Message from Milos Prudek <prudek@nembv.cz> 
   of "Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:53:54 +0100." <385E34F2.237A00C7@nembv.cz> 
Message-ID: <E1203ia-00068Y-00@rioja.localnet>

prudek at nembv.cz said:
> 554 Too many hops 27 (25 max): from <prudek at nembv.cz> via 

So the message is looping, and from the log extract you gave its a 
simple loop where you are passing mail to your smarthost hp-bv.nembv.cz 
and its passing it back to you for delivery.  Thats a simple 
configuration fault, and the question is *who* should be taking 
responsibility for finally delivering that address - looks like mailman 
is not involved at all.


prudek at nembv.cz said:
> Well, I have relay_domains = hp-bv.nembv.cz. 
> I tried the following:
>  relay_domains = hp-bv.nembv.cz:127.0.0.1 

you should be adding that entry to host_accept_relay (for version 3.00 
and above) not relay_domains.  Obsolete 2.x versions use a different 
variable.

Running a mail system is not a suck it and see process.  Exim is 
exceptionally well documented, I suggest you read some of that 
documentation.  Finally you could try asking on the exim list, but you 
will need to post the directors/routers config for people to make sense 
of it.  Exim information, including the (mailman run) mailing list, is 
at http://www.exim.org/


	Nigel.
-- 
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[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From prudek at nembv.cz  Mon Dec 20 15:38:18 1999
From: prudek at nembv.cz (Milos Prudek)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:38:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and exim
References: <E1203ia-00068Y-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <385E3F5A.2DB34E3D@nembv.cz>

> configuration fault, and the question is *who* should be taking
> responsibility for finally delivering that address - looks like mailman
> is not involved at all.

Then why 'exim -bt' tells me that it calls mailman wrapper?

> you should be adding that entry to host_accept_relay (for version 3.00

I have localhost added in host_accept_relay from the very start. I added
127.0.0.1 just to be sure. Does not help. THis is current
host_accept_relay:

host_accept_relay = 127.0.0.1:localhost:hp-bv.nembv.cz:bsdbv.nembv.cz

> Running a mail system is not a suck it and see process.  Exim is
> exceptionally well documented, I suggest you read some of that

I did. Could it be that my router config is not acceptable for mailman?
send_to_gateway:
  driver = domainlist
  transport = remote_smtp
  route_list = "*.nembv.cz hp-bv.nembv.cz byname; * vitis.bv.anet.cz
byname"
 

--
Milos Prudek



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Dec 20 18:33:53 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:33:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement lists and Moderated Lists... 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Maren S. Leizaola" <maren@leizaola.com> 
   of "Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:29:38 +0800." <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201527180.1115-100000@leizaola.com> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201527180.1115-100000@leizaola.com> 
Message-ID: <E1206gz-0001n9-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:29:38 +0800 (CST) 
Maren S Leizaola <maren at leizaola.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:32:10 +0800 (CST) Maren S Leizaola
>> <maren at leizaola.com> wrote:

>> 1) You can tell MailMan to deliver via SMTP to your ISP's mail
>> server (this is part of the normal configs when you define what
>> mail server for MailMan to use)

> Can you point me to the right file/parameter where this is
> stored. I hope I did not miss it on the web interface. :)

You specify this when you build MailMan, or put it in Defaults.py.

>> 2) You configure your MTA to use your ISP's mail server as a
>> smarthost.  MailMan then delivers mail to your local MTA which
>> then immediately bounces it to your ISP's mail server for
>> delivery.
>> 
>> I would recommend #2.

> I thought of this but the problem is that it will spawn each
> individaul message and deliver it to the ISP and what I am trying
> to avoid is using bandwidth. 

This is only true with unintelligent MTA's.  Exim, as a case in
point, will deliver to the smarthostonly as many messages as MailMan
delivered to it -- which is typically <num_of_subscribers>/100.  I
believe, but have not checked, that Postfix behaves similarly.

> This does not solve my problem.

Actually it does, modulo your choice of MTA.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From nico at offline-chello.dhs.org  Mon Dec 20 19:15:27 1999
From: nico at offline-chello.dhs.org (Nico Wimmer)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:15:27 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list
In-Reply-To: <19991220180336.811C21CE02@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201906280.30933-100000@kiddies.dhs.org>

Hi ..

When I send the confirm mail back to jokes-request at kurios.dhs.org i get
the error:
 ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokes"
     (expanded from: <jokes-request at kiddies.dhs.org>)

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokes"... Service unavailable

in the maillist archive i found many answers (symboliclinks from wrapper
to smrsh .. i have this:
in /etc/smrsh/
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           27 Dec 20 02:14 wrapper ->
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper/ 

sendmail functins without probs ... only wrapper have a error..


i hope anybody can help me..

Cheers, 
Nico

PS: I use Redhat 6.1 on intel and Sendmail 8.9.3




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Dec 20 19:17:46 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:17:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201906280.30933-100000@kiddies.dhs.org>; from Nico Wimmer on Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 07:15:27PM +0100
References: <19991220180336.811C21CE02@dinsdale.python.org> <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201906280.30933-100000@kiddies.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <19991220131746.A20429@xcski.com>

Quoting Nico Wimmer (nico at offline-chello.dhs.org):
> Hi ..
> 
> When I send the confirm mail back to jokes-request at kurios.dhs.org i get
> the error:
>  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokes"
>      (expanded from: <jokes-request at kiddies.dhs.org>)
> 
>     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>  sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
>  554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokes"... Service unavailable
> 
> in the maillist archive i found many answers (symboliclinks from wrapper
> to smrsh .. i have this:
> in /etc/smrsh/
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           27 Dec 20 02:14 wrapper ->
> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper/ 
                            ^

Get rid of that trailing slash.  "wrapper" isn't a directory.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From nico at offline-chello.dhs.org  Mon Dec 20 19:27:46 1999
From: nico at offline-chello.dhs.org (Nico Wimmer)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:27:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: wrapper error
In-Reply-To: <19991220131746.A20429@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201926160.31316-100000@kiddies.dhs.org>

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Get rid of that trailing slash.  "wrapper" isn't a directory.

thx, but it doesn't help :-(
i get the same error mail ..

nico
-- 
Hi ! I'm a signature virus! Copy me into your signature file to help me
spread!




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Dec 20 19:35:09 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:35:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
References: <385AA65C.17025451@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <14430.30429.964469.910763@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick <dan.mick at West.Sun.COM> writes:

    DM> I know I can write interactive Python code to extract the
    DM> welcome message, write it to a file so I can edit it, and suck
    DM> it back in

You'll want to look at bin/withlist, and if you've got the CVS
snapshot, bin/config_list.  Either can be used to make this easier.
    
    DM> if it needs to stay in config.db for reasons I don't
    DM> understand, perhaps config.db could look in a configurable
    DM> path for a file with a timestamp and decide "oh, it's changed,
    DM> I should snarf in a new one".  (Customizable welcome messages
    DM> are almost always used, IMO.)

Understand what config.db is: it's a marshaled Python dictionary.  The
keys of the dictionary correspond to attributes on the MailList
object.  What happens is that when a MailList object is saved, all of
it's attributes (except those that start with an underscore) are
examined and their values are placed into a dictionary.  That
dictionary is then marshaled into config.db for the list.

When the list is loaded, the config.db is unmarshaled and the MailList
object's attributes are set from the dictionary's key/value pairs.
It's a fairly simple, common, and portable (if not all that fast) way
to do "a database" in Python.

-Barry



From iago at iago.net  Mon Dec 20 19:36:20 1999
From: iago at iago.net (Fred Hicks)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:36:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <19991220074959.F6619@xcski.com>
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net> <19991220024330.H12660@iago.net> <19991220074959.F6619@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <19991220103620.A20285@iago.net>

  I don't appear to be running smrsh, being the major complication to that.

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Quoting Fred Hicks (iago at iago.net):
> > 
> >   As a small embellishment, root is getting mail when these bounces happen,
> >   reporting the error:
> > 
> > 554 "|/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist"... unknown mailer error 2
> > 
> >   /local/mailman/mail/wrapper is most certainly there...
> 
> That's a smrsh problem.  Depending on how smrsh is configured, you have to
> place a symlink to /local/mailman/mail/wrapper in either /etc/smrsh or
> somewhere else.



From wheakory at isu.edu  Mon Dec 20 21:06:41 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:06:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest error
Message-ID: <385E8C51.A5B9C27A@isu.edu>

When the cron process for the Send digest runs. I get the following
error below. What problem am I having. I recently upgraded to mailman
1.1 and upgraded to python 1.5.2 . The digest has been working fine for
a  week and all of a sudden I get this error below.
Traceback (innermost last):

  File "/home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 66, in ?
    Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(to_addrs, from_addr, text, queue_id)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 222, in TrySMTPDelivery
    from Mailman.pythonlib import smtplib
ValueError: bad marshal data
/home/mailman->Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 66, in ?
    Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(to_addrs, from_addr, text, queue_id)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 222, in TrySMTPDelivery
    from Mailman.pythonlib import smtplib
ValueError: bad marshal data


--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From deirdre at deirdre.net  Mon Dec 20 22:50:45 1999
From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:50:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
In-Reply-To: <19991220220203.430B31CE12@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201347030.18228-100000@adelie.deirdre.org>

I haven't upgraded from one of the betas to the official 1.1, but I was
wondering if anyone had done any patches that allowed one to set whether
or not to strip binaries from the list (including vcards and so on). This
is fairly common on commercial lists.

I am now hosting a pretty large list of spinning fiends and, as the
average spinner isn't especially technical, I'd rather NOT see, say, the
latest virus going to the list.

-- 
_Deirdre   *   http://www.linuxcabal.net   *   http://www.deirdre.net
"Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator
"That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal
<Harlan.Rosenthal at Dialogic.com>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60




From iago at iago.net  Mon Dec 20 23:44:23 1999
From: iago at iago.net (Fred Hicks)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:44:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <19991220074700.E6619@xcski.com>
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net> <19991220074700.E6619@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <19991220144423.R20285@iago.net>

  It's not smrsh; I've recompiled and updated sendmail to the latest stable
  version (8.9.3) and made explicitly certain that smrsh is not running.

  It's not that I've compiled it to expect the gid -1 -- there is no gid -1
  on my system.  The 'nobody' group -- which I only specified for the cgi
  gid, not the mail gid -- is 60000.  I specified '0' or 'sys' or etc etc
  etc -- i.e., i specified what it says I should specify -- and I CONTINUE
  to get the error:

Dec 20 14:36:50 6C:iago sendmail[29091]: OAB29089: OAA29091: DSN: unknown mailer
 error 2
Dec 20 14:36:50 3C:iago Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid
 2147430212, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)

  It *has* been reconfigured to take zero and has *never* been configured
  to 'want' 2147430212, or -1, whatever you want to consider that to be.

  Is there some barrage of tests I can run to determine how it is that 
  mailman has decided to become compiled incorrectly?  That's the only
  plausible explanation I can arrive at to explain why it would think it
  wants something it was never configured to want.


On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Quoting Fred Hicks (iago at iago.net):
> >   recompile-with-a-different-mail-delivery-gid attempt.  I'm also not
> >   sure why it wants gid 2147430212, since that's, well, ludicrous.
> 
> That gid number is probably "nobody", since "nobody"'s gid is almost always
> -1, and 21477430212 is what you see when yo specify a negative number to a
> program that takes an unsigned int.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
> SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
> http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Dec 21 01:08:51 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing lists don't archive any more
Message-ID: <19991220190851.A4831@xcski.com>

I had a system crash, and when I restored some of the older files weren't
there.  I eventually got the mailing lists working again, but it seems the
mailing lists don't archive new posts.  Old posts are still in the archive,
but new ones don't show up.

Any suggestions?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Dec 21 01:40:27 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Never mind, fixed it
Message-ID: <19991220194027.A6010@xcski.com>

All the archive files belonged to mailman.mailman instead of nobody.mailman.
I fixed that and archiving seems to have fixed itself again.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Dec 21 01:41:41 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:41:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C14430=2E30429=2E964469=2E910763=40anthem=2Ecnri=2Erest?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?on=2Eva=2Eus=3E=3B_from_bwarsaw=40cnri=2Ereston=2Eva=2Eus?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?_on_lun=2C_d=E9c_20=2C_1999_at_01:35:09_-0500?=
References: <385AA65C.17025451@west.sun.com> <14430.30429.964469.910763@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19991220164141.B28071@marc.merlins.org>

On lun, d?c 20, 1999 at 01:35:09 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
 
> You'll want to look at bin/withlist, and if you've got the CVS
> snapshot, bin/config_list.  Either can be used to make this easier.

Talking about config_list, I tried it last  week and it was very nice, but I
was  hoping it  would  also dump  the  list of  users  with their  subscribe
attributes.
This would let me move a list of users to a different list/different machine
without having to copy the config.db and having to hack it afterwards.

Marc
-- 
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Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 21 02:18:42 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:18:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest error
References: <385E8C51.A5B9C27A@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <14430.54643.553021.789952@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "KW" == Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> writes:

    KW> ValueError: bad marshal data

I think your smtplib.pyc file is corrupt.  Try re-running "make
install" at the top level of your Mailman source and watch very
carefully for errors during the .py->.pyc compilation phase.

-Barry



From cfm1 at resnet.geneseo.edu  Tue Dec 21 03:43:14 1999
From: cfm1 at resnet.geneseo.edu (Chrisie Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:43:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Web Ports other than 80?
Message-ID: <00c601bf4b5d$21318b40$34a9ee89@stargazer>

Hello,

This question is probably really dumb, but I just can't seem to get it working right, so any help would be appreciated.

I run my Apache web server on a different port than 80, and even though getting to the pages works fine, when you attempt to subscribe to the lists or use anything that requires a command be sent to the server, it won't connect on the port I'm using. It attempts to use the default 80.

I attempted to fix this by changing the default URL line in mm_cfg.py to include the correct port, but that doesn't seem to do it. Does anyone have any ideas on this?

- C. Mitchell
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Dec 21 05:18:13 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:18:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
Message-ID: <199912210418.UAA11325@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

>     DM> if it needs to stay in config.db for reasons I don't
>     DM> understand, perhaps config.db could look in a configurable
>     DM> path for a file with a timestamp and decide "oh, it's changed,
>     DM> I should snarf in a new one".  (Customizable welcome messages
>     DM> are almost always used, IMO.)
> 
> Understand what config.db is: it's a marshaled Python dictionary.  The
> keys of the dictionary correspond to attributes on the MailList
> object.  What happens is that when a MailList object is saved, all of
> it's attributes (except those that start with an underscore) are
> examined and their values are placed into a dictionary.  That
> dictionary is then marshaled into config.db for the list.

Yes, I understand that, but usability would be enhanced by having
*some* of that MailList object information stored outside config.db,
I think is another way to say what I'm trying to say.  In particular,
things like welcome messages should, IMO, be "external", because they
change often enough and are "tweaked" enough that it's a pain to
have to extract/edit/reload just to change a comma.

A slight violation of the purity of the object storage model might
be appropriate.  (yet another restatement of the opinion.)




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Dec 21 05:24:37 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:24:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
Message-ID: <199912210424.UAA11448@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

My solution, suggested here, is working fairly well: make them 
beg for approval by setting a bunch of the right headers to be
"suspicious":  add

Content-type:.*multipart/alternative.*
Content-type:.*multipart/mixed.*
.*text/html.*
.*text/enriched.*
.*text/x-vcard.*
Content-Disposition:.*attachment

to Privacy Options/Hold posts with header value...


> I haven't upgraded from one of the betas to the official 1.1, but I was
> wondering if anyone had done any patches that allowed one to set whether
> or not to strip binaries from the list (including vcards and so on). This
> is fairly common on commercial lists.
> 
> I am now hosting a pretty large list of spinning fiends and, as the
> average spinner isn't especially technical, I'd rather NOT see, say, the
> latest virus going to the list.
> 
> -- 
> _Deirdre   *   http://www.linuxcabal.net   *   http://www.deirdre.net
> "Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator
> "That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal
> <Harlan.Rosenthal at Dialogic.com>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Dec 21 05:30:45 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:30:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
In-Reply-To: <199912210424.UAA11448@utopia.West.Sun.COM>; from Dan Mick on Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 08:24:37PM -0800
References: <199912210424.UAA11448@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <19991220233045.B14035@xcski.com>

Quoting Dan Mick (Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM):
> My solution, suggested here, is working fairly well: make them 
> beg for approval by setting a bunch of the right headers to be
> "suspicious":  add

My solution is to run posts through procmail before mailman sees them.
I've posted detailed instructions on this before, but I got the original idea
from this mailing list before that.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Dec 21 05:35:42 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:35:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
Message-ID: <199912210435.UAA11985@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Quoting Dan Mick (Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM):
> > My solution, suggested here, is working fairly well: make them 
> > beg for approval by setting a bunch of the right headers to be
> > "suspicious":  add
> 
> My solution is to run posts through procmail before mailman sees them.
> I've posted detailed instructions on this before, but I got the original idea
> from this mailing list before that.

Yup, and if it didn't involve procmail, I'd probably do it too.
I despise having two tools for the same job, especially when one
of them is a chainsaw with no blade guard or handle.  ;)

Someone else posted Perl and Python scripts for prefiltering.
Same objection, from my end.

I'd like to see Mailman have an option to "immediately trash"
messages of various criteria:  From someone at badhost.com, with
header "text/html", etc.




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Dec 21 05:43:14 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:43:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
In-Reply-To: <199912210435.UAA11985@utopia.West.Sun.COM>; from Dan Mick on Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 08:35:42PM -0800
References: <199912210435.UAA11985@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <19991220234314.A14620@xcski.com>

Quoting Dan Mick (Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM):
> > I've posted detailed instructions on this before, but I got the original idea
> > from this mailing list before that.
> 
> Yup, and if it didn't involve procmail, I'd probably do it too.
> I despise having two tools for the same job, especially when one

Well, then you probably shouldn't be using Unix - that's the whole Unix
philosphy: use an existing tool for a job it's good at, rather than trying to
reinvent the same functionality.

> of them is a chainsaw with no blade guard or handle.  ;)

You *definitely* shouldn't be using Unix.

:-)

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Dec 21 05:47:31 1999
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:47:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
Message-ID: <199912210447.UAA12263@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Quoting Dan Mick (Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM):
> > > I've posted detailed instructions on this before, but I got the original 
idea
> > > from this mailing list before that.
> > 
> > Yup, and if it didn't involve procmail, I'd probably do it too.
> > I despise having two tools for the same job, especially when one
> 
> Well, then you probably shouldn't be using Unix - that's the whole Unix
> philosphy: use an existing tool for a job it's good at, rather than trying to
> reinvent the same functionality.

No, no, no, you missed the "same job" part of the sentence.
IMO, attachment rejection is just as much a part of mailing-list
management as any other function of Mailman.
 
> > of them is a chainsaw with no blade guard or handle.  ;)
> 
> You *definitely* shouldn't be using Unix.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Not everything is so user-brutal as Procmail.




From maren at leizaola.com  Tue Dec 21 05:51:22 1999
From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:51:22 +0800 (Taipei Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Check_perms bombs out.
In-Reply-To: <19991220234314.A14620@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.20.9912211248450.-900517@hades.leizaola.com>

Hi,
	This is what I get when I run check perms. Mailman runs
fine... 

/home/mailman/mailman-1.1
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./check_perms", line 178, in ?
    checkall()
  File "./check_perms", line 88, in checkall
    os.path.walk(mm_cfg.PREFIX, checkwalk, STATE)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 247, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)
  File "./check_perms", line 58, in checkwalk
    print path, 'bad gid (has: %s, expected %s)' % (
KeyError: getgrgid(): gid not found


Any clues as to how to fix this in case I do need check perms?

Regards,
Maren.




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 21 06:34:37 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:34:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Check_perms bombs out.
References: <19991220234314.A14620@xcski.com>
	<Pine.WNT.4.20.9912211248450.-900517@hades.leizaola.com>
Message-ID: <14431.4461.875644.983199@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MSL" == Maren S Leizaola <maren at leizaola.com> writes:

    MSL> 	This is what I get when I run check perms. Mailman runs
    MSL> fine... 

    MSL> Any clues as to how to fix this in case I do need check
    MSL> perms?

It means your file has a gid that isn't in your groups database.
Here's a patch for check_perms.

-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
Index: check_perms
===================================================================
RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/bin/check_perms,v
retrieving revision 1.10
diff -c -r1.10 check_perms
*** check_perms	1999/11/26 08:51:35	1.10
--- check_perms	1999/12/21 05:32:59
***************
*** 54,62 ****
                  continue
              raise
          if gid <> MAILMAN_GID:
              arg.ERRORS = arg.ERRORS + 1
              print path, 'bad gid (has: %s, expected %s)' % (
!                 grp.getgrgid(gid)[0], MAILMAN_GRPNAME),
              if STATE.FIX:
                  print '(fixing)'
                  os.chown(path, -1, MAILMAN_GID)
--- 54,66 ----
                  continue
              raise
          if gid <> MAILMAN_GID:
+             try:
+                 groupname = grp.getgrgid(gid)[0]
+             except KeyError:
+                 groupname = '<anon gid %d>' % gid
              arg.ERRORS = arg.ERRORS + 1
              print path, 'bad gid (has: %s, expected %s)' % (
!                 groupname, MAILMAN_GRPNAME),
              if STATE.FIX:
                  print '(fixing)'
                  os.chown(path, -1, MAILMAN_GID)



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 21 06:39:34 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:39:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
References: <19991220220203.430B31CE12@dinsdale.python.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.9912201347030.18228-100000@adelie.deirdre.org>
Message-ID: <14431.4758.623990.49000@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "DS" == Deirdre Saoirse <deirdre at deirdre.net> writes:

    DS> I haven't upgraded from one of the betas to the official 1.1,
    DS> but I was wondering if anyone had done any patches that
    DS> allowed one to set whether or not to strip binaries from the
    DS> list (including vcards and so on). This is fairly common on
    DS> commercial lists.

No promises, but it is possible that work to support something like
this might actually get funded.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 21 06:41:32 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:41:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net>
	<19991220074700.E6619@xcski.com>
	<19991220144423.R20285@iago.net>
Message-ID: <14431.4876.757818.522606@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "FH" == Fred Hicks <iago at iago.net> writes:

    FH>   Is there some barrage of tests I can run to determine how it
    FH> is that mailman has decided to become compiled incorrectly?
    FH> That's the only plausible explanation I can arrive at to
    FH> explain why it would think it wants something it was never
    FH> configured to want.

Looks like you're going to have to resort to your favorite C debugger.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 21 06:44:03 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:44:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
References: <385AA65C.17025451@west.sun.com>
	<14430.30429.964469.910763@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<19991220164141.B28071@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <14431.5027.345813.980704@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> writes:

    MM> Talking about config_list, I tried it last week and it was
    MM> very nice, but I was hoping it would also dump the list of
    MM> users with their subscribe attributes.  This would let me move
    MM> a list of users to a different list/different machine without
    MM> having to copy the config.db and having to hack it afterwards.

bin/list_members

If you really want something that is a combination of those two, it
would be easy for you to hack together some Python based on those two
scripts.  It's not a high priority for me though.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 21 06:48:01 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:48:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
References: <199912210418.UAA11325@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <14431.5265.725677.715812@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM> writes:

    DM> Yes, I understand that, but usability would be enhanced by
    DM> having *some* of that MailList object information stored
    DM> outside config.db, I think is another way to say what I'm
    DM> trying to say.  In particular, things like welcome messages
    DM> should, IMO, be "external", because they change often enough
    DM> and are "tweaked" enough that it's a pain to have to
    DM> extract/edit/reload just to change a comma.

That's really what the Web interface is all about.

    DM> A slight violation of the purity of the object storage model
    DM> might be appropriate.  (yet another restatement of the
    DM> opinion.)

Ken has long talked about a cataloging system where there's a
hierarchy of attributes.  E.g. the site itself has a welcome text
template which is used unless the list overrides it.  Think about a
simplified Zope acquisition model.  It would be a bit of work to
change Mailman's architecture to support something like this.  It may
eventually get done, but it's not high on my current list of
priorities.

-Barry



From iago at iago.net  Tue Dec 21 07:32:20 1999
From: iago at iago.net (Fred Hicks)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:32:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <14431.4876.757818.522606@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net> <19991220074700.E6619@xcski.com> <19991220144423.R20285@iago.net> <14431.4876.757818.522606@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19991220223219.D4465@iago.net>

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> >>>>> "FH" == Fred Hicks <iago at iago.net> writes:
> 
>     FH>   Is there some barrage of tests I can run to determine how it
>     FH> is that mailman has decided to become compiled incorrectly?
>     FH> That's the only plausible explanation I can arrive at to
>     FH> explain why it would think it wants something it was never
>     FH> configured to want.
> 
> Looks like you're going to have to resort to your favorite C debugger.

  Alas, I have no favorite, as I don't do C.  I'm considering the 
  possibility that the answer here is 'don't try to do this under irix'.
  I am looking into acquiring other machines with other OSes, so I can
  compare and contrast.  Stay tuned.




From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Tue Dec 21 07:47:51 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:47:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <19991220223219.D4465@iago.net>; from iago@iago.net on Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 10:32:20PM -0800
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net> <19991220074700.E6619@xcski.com> <19991220144423.R20285@iago.net> <14431.4876.757818.522606@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <19991220223219.D4465@iago.net>
Message-ID: <19991221074751.A3340@miss-janet.com>

On Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 10:32:20PM -0800, Fred Hicks wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> >     FH>   Is there some barrage of tests I can run to determine how it
> >     FH> is that mailman has decided to become compiled incorrectly?
> >     FH> That's the only plausible explanation I can arrive at to
> >     FH> explain why it would think it wants something it was never
> >     FH> configured to want.
> > Looks like you're going to have to resort to your favorite C debugger.
>   Alas, I have no favorite, as I don't do C.  I'm considering the 
>   possibility that the answer here is 'don't try to do this under irix'.

I'm going to have to install mailman on an Irix box in the near future (thats
what i get for promoting mailman at work :) )... and i'm going to do my best
to get it to work...
btw did you use the SGI compiler? maybe that's the one doing weird stuff
with the C-wrappers... I prefer to use GCC on irix (installing it is a pain
in the butt, but once it's installed it's a blessing)

Ricardo.

--




From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Dec 21 07:51:20 1999
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:51:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C14431=2E5027=2E345813=2E980704=40anthem=2Ecnri=2Eresto?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?n=2Eva=2Eus=3E=3B_from_bwarsaw=40cnri=2Ereston=2Eva=2Eus_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?on_mar=2C_d=E9c_21=2C_1999_at_12:44:03_-0500?=
References: <385AA65C.17025451@west.sun.com> <14430.30429.964469.910763@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <19991220164141.B28071@marc.merlins.org> <14431.5027.345813.980704@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19991220225120.B20578@marc.merlins.org>

On mar, d?c 21, 1999 at 12:44:03 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "MM" == Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> writes:
> 
>     MM> Talking about config_list, I tried it last week and it was
>     MM> very nice, but I was hoping it would also dump the list of
>     MM> users with their subscribe attributes.  This would let me move
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     MM> a list of users to a different list/different machine without
>     MM> having to copy the config.db and having to hack it afterwards.
> 
> bin/list_members

I know about list_members :-)
The problem is not getting the list of Emails, it's getting all the
attributes for the user (nomail, hidden, password, etc, etc...)

I've moved  users by  feeding list_members into  add_members, but  the users
have  to  get a  new  Email  with  their  password, which  is  automatically
generated, and if their nomail/hidden status is lost.
My goal is to move users completely transparently for the user while keeping
all the attributes.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From iago at iago.net  Tue Dec 21 07:59:26 1999
From: iago at iago.net (Fred Hicks)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:59:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <19991221074751.A3340@miss-janet.com>
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net> <19991220074700.E6619@xcski.com> <19991220144423.R20285@iago.net> <14431.4876.757818.522606@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <19991220223219.D4465@iago.net> <19991221074751.A3340@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <19991220225926.E4465@iago.net>

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Ricardo Kustner wrote:

> I'm going to have to install mailman on an Irix box in the near future (thats
> what i get for promoting mailman at work :) )... and i'm going to do my best
> to get it to work...

  Good luck. :)

> btw did you use the SGI compiler? maybe that's the one doing weird stuff
> with the C-wrappers... I prefer to use GCC on irix (installing it is a pain
> in the butt, but once it's installed it's a blessing)

  Yes, I did use the SGI compiler.  I recognize that's a possible
  problem -- but I'm wary about tossing gcc onto the box.  I don't
  understand enough about compilers to be confident I won't screw up
  the both of them in the install.  Still, it's a possible answer, yes.

  If I am feeling brave, I'll try it out.  Let me know how your 'go'
  goes.



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Dec 21 08:12:50 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:12:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request: editable welcome message
References: <385AA65C.17025451@west.sun.com>
	<14430.30429.964469.910763@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<19991220164141.B28071@marc.merlins.org>
	<14431.5027.345813.980704@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<19991220225120.B20578@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <14431.10354.553173.656774@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> writes:

    MM> I know about list_members :-) The problem is not getting the
    MM> list of Emails, it's getting all the attributes for the user
    MM> (nomail, hidden, password, etc, etc...)

Ah, good point.  Want to contribute a script? :)

-Barry



From brian at cowan.edu.au  Tue Dec 21 14:55:25 1999
From: brian at cowan.edu.au (Brian Anderson)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:55:25 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using answer_majordomo_mail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912212151370.25428-100000@comix.cs.cowan.edu.au>

G'day,

Can someone please tell me how to use the answer_majordom_mail script
please? I assume its via an alias however I can't find any doco on it :-(

Actually if someone could point me in the direction of some extra - ie.
other than the sprinkling that comes with mailman - doco I'd be very
grateful.

Please answer directly as I only get the daily digests.

Many thanks
brian

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From blurr at txraves.org  Tue Dec 21 15:58:30 1999
From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:58:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies? Round 2
Message-ID: <002901bf4bc4$73878e00$ea17a8c0@jordan>

i never got a response to this.  can someone help me out?

thanks
---
-] jordan
-] blurr at txraves.org
-] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr

- [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <blurr at txraves.org>
To: "Mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:35 AM
Subject: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies?


> just like to say i've been running mailman for a good while now and i've turned
> into a total list whore! =P
> 
> heres a recent problem i've run into that i'm thinking has to do with cookies.  it
> breaks on my machine(internet exploder & nutscrape) but works fine on another
> machine.
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 1.1
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
> description of what happened. Thanks!
> 
> Traceback:
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
>     is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
>     return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
>     if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
> IndexError: string index out of range
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> thanks!
> ---
> -] jordan
> -] blurr at txraves.org
> -] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr
> 
> - [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -
> 




From secabeen at pobox.com  Tue Dec 21 17:22:22 1999
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:22:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Web Ports other than 80? 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:43:14 EST."
             <00c601bf4b5d$21318b40$34a9ee89@stargazer> 
Message-ID: <199912211622.KAA23675@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <00c601bf4b5d$21318b40$34a9ee89 at stargazer>, "Chrisie Mitchell" write
s:
>I run my Apache web server on a different port than 80, and even though =
>getting to the pages works fine, when you attempt to subscribe to the =
>lists or use anything that requires a command be sent to the server, it =
>won't connect on the port I'm using. It attempts to use the default 80.
>
>I attempted to fix this by changing the default URL line in mm_cfg.py to =
>include the correct port, but that doesn't seem to do it. Does anyone =
>have any ideas on this?

Most of the settings in mm_cfg.py are not used by Mailman on a daily basis 
but instead are used as the defaults when you create a list.  If you want to 
change the URL for a currently existing list, you'll need to edit the last 
two options at the bottom of the main list configuration page to reflect the 
change.  If you have a lot of lists, you probably can write a withlist script 
that will change the setting across all of the lists, but I don't know how 
hard that would be.

--
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From mentor at alb-net.com  Tue Dec 21 17:42:28 1999
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:42:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] extracting "list admin's email address(es)"
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.9912211138420.27752-100000@alb-net.com>

Hello,

I would like to know if someone has a script that would extract the
"list admin's email address(es)" from the config.db for a particular list.

Something similar to list_members would be nice.

thanks,
Mentor




From deirdre at deirdre.net  Tue Dec 21 17:38:20 1999
From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:38:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
In-Reply-To: <199912210424.UAA11448@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912210837430.23220-100000@adelie.deirdre.org>

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Dan Mick wrote:

> My solution, suggested here, is working fairly well: make them 
> beg for approval by setting a bunch of the right headers to be
> "suspicious":  add

On a list with a bunch of users with vcards and stuff, this would simply
tax the mail list admins.

-- 
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"Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator
"That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal
<Harlan.Rosenthal at Dialogic.com>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60




From deirdre at deirdre.net  Tue Dec 21 17:41:39 1999
From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:41:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
In-Reply-To: <19991220233045.B14035@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912210838420.23220-100000@adelie.deirdre.org>

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Quoting Dan Mick (Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM):
> > My solution, suggested here, is working fairly well: make them 
> > beg for approval by setting a bunch of the right headers to be
> > "suspicious":  add
> 
> My solution is to run posts through procmail before mailman sees them.
> I've posted detailed instructions on this before, but I got the original idea
> from this mailing list before that.

This is an interesting approach. Can you tell me when (in time)
approximately these posts were? This is a readily implementable solution.

-- 
_Deirdre   *   http://www.linuxcabal.net   *   http://www.deirdre.net
"Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator
"That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal
<Harlan.Rosenthal at Dialogic.com>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Dec 21 18:12:02 1999
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912210838420.23220-100000@adelie.deirdre.org>; from Deirdre Saoirse on Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 08:41:39AM -0800
References: <19991220233045.B14035@xcski.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912210838420.23220-100000@adelie.deirdre.org>
Message-ID: <19991221121202.B3223@xcski.com>

Quoting Deirdre Saoirse (deirdre at deirdre.net):
> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> 
> > Quoting Dan Mick (Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM):
> > > My solution, suggested here, is working fairly well: make them 
> > > beg for approval by setting a bunch of the right headers to be
> > > "suspicious":  add
> > 
> > My solution is to run posts through procmail before mailman sees them.
> > I've posted detailed instructions on this before, but I got the original idea
> > from this mailing list before that.
> 
> This is an interesting approach. Can you tell me when (in time)
> approximately these posts were? This is a readily implementable solution.

One of my posts on the subject can be found at
http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-November/002587.html

You might also want to contact Phillip Porch, who in a previous article
http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-November/002586.html
said he had a python script to strip attachments.

But the one that started me off is at:
http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-February/000617.html

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Dec 21 18:21:54 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:21:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] to and reply to  change
Message-ID: <385FB732.DB27298A@isu.edu>

Simple question. I have mailman 1.1 installed on a red hat 6.0 linux box
running sendmail. The host name is mm.isu.edu.  My mailman lists are
setup to be either    list at mm.isu.edu or they can use the CNAME to mail
to the list which is   list at maillist.isu.edu.  My "to:" always specifies
that it was sent from list at mm.isu.edu how would I change my  "to: and
Reply to:" to have it have the "to: and Reply to:" be
list at maillist.isu.edu instead of the other? Would I have to edit the
Deliverer.py to do this?

--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From iago at iago.net  Tue Dec 21 10:49:15 1999
From: iago at iago.net (Fred Hicks)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 01:49:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation on Irix: Installs Fine, Behaves Badly
In-Reply-To: <19991220225926.E4465@iago.net>
References: <19991220024030.G12660@iago.net> <19991220074700.E6619@xcski.com> <19991220144423.R20285@iago.net> <14431.4876.757818.522606@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <19991220223219.D4465@iago.net> <19991221074751.A3340@miss-janet.com> <19991220225926.E4465@iago.net>
Message-ID: <19991221014915.F728@iago.net>

  Ricardo wins the scooby snack. :)

  I grabbed gcc off of freeware.sgi.com and installed the package, then
  recompiled and reinstalled python with gcc.

  Then I recompiled and reinstalled mailman with gcc.

  Redid my steps, sent a message.  It failed.

  *THIS* time, however, it told me it got gid 998, not 0, and when I 
  re./configured --with-mail-gid=guest (998), the sonofabitch WORKED.

  There's your tip, Ricardo.  Use gcc when you're doing this. :)

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Fred Hicks wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Ricardo Kustner wrote:
> 
> > I'm going to have to install mailman on an Irix box in the near future (thats
> > what i get for promoting mailman at work :) )... and i'm going to do my best
> > to get it to work...
> 
>   Good luck. :)
> 
> > btw did you use the SGI compiler? maybe that's the one doing weird stuff
> > with the C-wrappers... I prefer to use GCC on irix (installing it is a pain
> > in the butt, but once it's installed it's a blessing)
> 
>   Yes, I did use the SGI compiler.  I recognize that's a possible
>   problem -- but I'm wary about tossing gcc onto the box.  I don't
>   understand enough about compilers to be confident I won't screw up
>   the both of them in the install.  Still, it's a possible answer, yes.
> 
>   If I am feeling brave, I'll try it out.  Let me know how your 'go'
>   goes.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Dec 21 18:52:32 1999
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:52:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912210837430.23220-100000@adelie.deirdre.org>
Message-ID: <385FBE60.EEF4CED0@west.sun.com>

Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > My solution, suggested here, is working fairly well: make them
> > beg for approval by setting a bunch of the right headers to be
> > "suspicious":  add
> 
> On a list with a bunch of users with vcards and stuff, this would simply
> tax the mail list admins.

I haven't found it so.  Usually people are interested in getting their
deathless prose out on the net immediately, so the delay in processing, 
with an explanation as to why the rejection happens, causes them to
modify
their behavior.  Or go away, which is okay with me too.

I'd suggest trying it before you discard it out of hand.  I have a
200-person
list with some remarkably stupid users, and it's working OK for me.



From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Dec 21 18:59:38 1999
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:59:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with 
 cookies? Round 2
References: <002901bf4bc4$73878e00$ea17a8c0@jordan>
Message-ID: <385FC00A.CEF61832@west.sun.com>

blurr at txraves.org wrote:
> 
> i never got a response to this.  can someone help me out?

What would you like us to do?  Yes, it looks like a bug.  Have you tried
either examining the cookie or deleting it?... since the error message
pretty
clearly points to the file of code, and the code is pretty clearly
examining
the cookie data itself and finding something wrong....

You might add something like

if len(cookiedata) < len(key): return 0

before 

if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1]....

in SecurityManager.py.

I haven't tested the fix, because I don't know if that's what's going
wrong.

> thanks
> ---
> -] jordan
> -] blurr at txraves.org
> -] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr
> 
> - [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <blurr at txraves.org>
> To: "Mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:35 AM
> Subject: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies?
> 
> > just like to say i've been running mailman for a good while now and i've turned
> > into a total list whore! =P
> >
> > heres a recent problem i've run into that i'm thinking has to do with cookies.  it
> > breaks on my machine(internet exploder & nutscrape) but works fine on another
> > machine.
> >
> > Bug in Mailman version 1.1
> >
> > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> >
> > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
> > description of what happened. Thanks!
> >
> > Traceback:
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
> >     main()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
> >     is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
> >     return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
> >     if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
> > IndexError: string index out of range
> >
> > any ideas?
> >
> > thanks!
> > ---
> > -] jordan
> > -] blurr at txraves.org
> > -] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr
> >
> > - [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -
> >
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From claw at cp.net  Tue Dec 21 19:56:42 1999
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:56:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries 
In-Reply-To: Message from Deirdre Saoirse <deirdre@deirdre.net> 
   of "Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:38:20 PST." <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912210837430.23220-100000@adelie.deirdre.org> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912210837430.23220-100000@adelie.deirdre.org> 
Message-ID: <E120USg-0003Nc-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:38:20 -0800 (PST) 
Deirdre Saoirse <deirdre at deirdre.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Dan Mick wrote:
>> My solution, suggested here, is working fairly well: make them
>> beg for approval by setting a bunch of the right headers to be
>> "suspicious": add

> On a list with a bunch of users with vcards and stuff, this would
> simply tax the mail list admins.

You might be surprised.  If your users value the list you have at
hand a significant manipulative force for altering their behaviour.
Just delay or bounce-back posts which don't meet your standards and
they'll likely change.  It would have been easier if you had done
this to start with as you could have then formed a base more for
your list culture more easily, but it can still be retrofitted.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From deirdre at deirdre.net  Tue Dec 21 20:01:26 1999
From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:01:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries 
In-Reply-To: <E120USg-0003Nc-00@under.eng.cp.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912211100590.24151-100000@adelie.deirdre.org>

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:

> > On a list with a bunch of users with vcards and stuff, this would
> > simply tax the mail list admins.
> 
> You might be surprised.  If your users value the list you have at
> hand a significant manipulative force for altering their behaviour.
> Just delay or bounce-back posts which don't meet your standards and
> they'll likely change.  It would have been easier if you had done
> this to start with as you could have then formed a base more for
> your list culture more easily, but it can still be retrofitted.

*I* am not the mail admin in this case. Someone who is not especially
computer literate is. It's too much to ask.

-- 
_Deirdre   *   http://www.linuxcabal.net   *   http://www.deirdre.net
"Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G. Neumann, Risks Digest Moderator
"That's because the Martians keep shooting things down." -- Harlan Rosenthal
<Harlan.Rosenthal at Dialogic.com>, retorting in Risks Digest 20.60




From Budde at tu-harburg.de  Mon Dec 20 20:52:25 1999
From: Budde at tu-harburg.de (Marco Budde)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:52:25 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bad/Invalid email address
References: <385CF1B9.7146E4DF@tu-harburg.de> <19991219160026.E26508@tummy.com>
Message-ID: <385E88F9.6DA7BE26@tu-harburg.de>

Sean Reifschneider wrote:

> I presume if you use "mbudde at domain.com", where "domain.com" is your
> domain, that it works fine? 

Yes, that is right.

> Mailman is simply being canonical, which
> IMHO is better than relying on magic to happen behind the scenes.
> For example, if you specified "mbudde", and then later changed the
> SMTP server, or moved the mailman installation to another host, the
> behavior may change.

Well, maybe somebody wants to use your program in an intranet,
which does not have a official domain name. I understand your
problem with the account name only, but what is wrong with
mbudde at ovid. ovid could be a top level domain like com.

Does the mailman source support messages/pages in different 
languages? If you?re interested, I could create German translations
of your messages.

cu, Marco

-- 
   -- Linux HOWTOs: Die besten L?sungen der Linuxgemeinde --
                      ISBN 3-8266-0498-9

Uni: Budde at tu-harburg.de           Fido: 2:240/6298.5
Mailbox: mbudde at sms.antar.com      http://www.tu-harburg.de/~semb2204/


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To: Mailman user account <mailman at xcski.com>
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't subscribe from BeOS
Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
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X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental)
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List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>

One of my mailing list users can't subscribe from BeOS using Opera, even
though he has no problem using Netscape from Linux or IE from Windows.  Here
is the message he gets:

Bug in Mailman version 1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened.
Thanks!

Traceback:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 157, in main
    if digest:
NameError: digest

Environment variables: Variable
Value
DOCUMENT_ROOT
/usr/home/httpd/html
CONTENT_LENGTH
71
CONTENT_TYPE
application/x-www-form-urlencoded
PATH_TRANSLATED
/usr/home/httpd/html/allhats
GATEWAY_INTERFACE
CGI/1.1
HTTP_USER_AGENT
Mozilla/4.0 (BeOS R4.5;US) Opera 3.60 [en]
REMOTE_ADDR
216.39.151.89
SERVER_PORT
80
SCRIPT_FILENAME
/usr/home/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
HTTP_ACCEPT
image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/png, */*
REQUEST_URI
/mailman/subscribe/allhats
PATH
/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
QUERY_STRING
SERVER_PROTOCOL
HTTP/1.0
PATH_INFO
/allhats
HTTP_HOST
xcski.com
REQUEST_METHOD
POST
SERVER_SIGNATURE
SCRIPT_NAME
/mailman/subscribe
SERVER_ADMIN
ptomblin at xcski.com
SERVER_SOFTWARE
Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) mod_perl/1.19 PHP/3.0.9
PYTHONPATH
/usr/home/mailman
HTTP_REFERER
http://xcski.com/mailman/listinfo/allhats
SERVER_NAME
xcski.com
REMOTE_PORT
62505

Is this an Opera problem?

-- 
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SETI at Home:  Finally a *good* way to impress Jodie Foster
http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/



From stever at seawingsub.com  Wed Dec 22 20:25:04 1999
From: stever at seawingsub.com (Steve Ruby)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:25:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail gid
Message-ID: <38612590.31301F6A@seawingsub.com>


I configured with 
--with-mail-gid=12

sendmail.cf says:
# default UID (can be username or userid:groupid)
O DefaultUser=8:12

yet my mail log is saying
Dec 22 12:12:33 ruby32 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535.  (Reconfigure to take
 65535?)

when mail is sent to the server

any ideas why sendmail isn't throwing the expected GID?


Thanks



From jerry at scoregroup.com  Wed Dec 22 20:53:39 1999
From: jerry at scoregroup.com (Jerry Thomas)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML webpages
Message-ID: <38612C43.36AFCF98@scoregroup.com>

Hello,  for give me if this question but I am exhausted and can't find
anything reelvant in the archives.  I created directories for mailman
per the documentation and made the appropriate aliases in apache but the
administrative web pages are no where to be found.  Could someone please
point me to some documentation for this and any other documentation
available.

Thanks,
Jerry
-- 
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Network Administrator 	ph. (305) 662-5959 ext. 211
The Score Group		fax (305) 662-5952



From twells at hipbone.com  Wed Dec 22 22:47:05 1999
From: twells at hipbone.com (Tom Wells)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:47:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoresponder how-to?
Message-ID: <19991222134705.A33466@ou812.hipbone.com>

Hi,

Is there any way to set up an auto-responder for all postings to
a mailing list?

Thanks
-- 
######################################################################
Tom Wells
Hipbone Inc.                     email:        twells at hipbone.com
System Administrator             alpha-page:   page-twells at hipbone.com
######################################################################



From igorl at life.uiuc.edu  Wed Dec 22 22:51:36 1999
From: igorl at life.uiuc.edu (Igor S. Livshits)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:51:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoresponder how-to?
In-Reply-To: <19991222134705.A33466@ou812.hipbone.com>
References: <19991222134705.A33466@ou812.hipbone.com>
Message-ID: <v04210109b486f82efd76@[130.126.49.120]>

At 1:47 PM -0800 on 12/22/99, Tom Wells wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is there any way to set up an auto-responder for all postings to
>a mailing list?


I just pipe incoming mail to Mailman and to a small perl script that 
returns an automated response...

You may do this via your aliases file.

Cheers, igor




From nick at zork.net  Wed Dec 22 23:04:12 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:04:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing binaries
In-Reply-To: <199912210435.UAA11985@utopia.West.Sun.COM>; from Dan Mick on Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 08:35:42PM -0800
References: <199912210435.UAA11985@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <19991222140411.B31069@zork.net>

Quoting Dan Mick:
> I'd like to see Mailman have an option to "immediately trash"
> messages of various criteria:  From someone at badhost.com, with
> header "text/html", etc.

	I agree wholeheartedly.  My list admin work tends to be two
actions:

	1) Allowing through the relevant posts from non-subscribers
and posts from subscribers using other accounts.
	2) Automatically rejecting any mail that came in with a
suspicious header.  There's a REASON I put those headers on that list.

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From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Thu Dec 23 06:50:32 1999
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:50:32 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS error?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991223124409.6297A-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

Hi, I installed about a week ago and it seemed to be working fine.  But I
had to reinstall the operating system yesterday, and also mailman, and now
I couldn't subscribe/verify by email.
I keep getting this messages in /var/log/maillog:

Dec 23 11:54:56 server sendmail[12005]: KAA10055:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mailmantest", delay=01:32:05,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error
Dec 23 11:54:56 server sendmail[12005]: KAA10024:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailmantest", delay=01:35:42,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error
Dec 23 11:55:56 server sendmail[12016]: LAA11939:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailmantest", delay=00:08:01,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error

Nothing strange show up in /var/log/messages or /home/mailman/logs/
How can I fix this?  I don't think I changed my sendmail cf; my other
email seems just fine.

A Iqbal Santyaswardan
iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id




From mguainaz at xmm.vilspa.esa.es  Thu Dec 23 09:57:16 1999
From: mguainaz at xmm.vilspa.esa.es (Matteo Guainazzi)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:57:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transparent bug
Message-ID: <3861E3EC.6B26BA71@xmm.vilspa.esa.es>

Dear all,

 my Mailman manager is hitting from yesterday a small nasty bug. Whenever an administrative operation or a new subscription is
performed, the following page appears/the following mail is sent to the subscriber. However, the changes/subscriptions are
apparently done correctly.

 Any clue of what may be happening?

 Thanks a lot in advance. Matteo


Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/data/xmm/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
    ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
  File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 876, in ChangeOptions
    lst.SetUserOption(user, okey, 0)
  File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 217, in SetUserOption
    self.Save()
  File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 799, in Save
    self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
  File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 277, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
    makelink(privdir, pubdir)
  File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in makelink
    reraise()
  File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in makelink
    os.symlink(old, new)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied





Environment variables:

 Variable
                         Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT 
                         /data/xmm/html/htdocs 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
                         gzip 
 REMOTE_HOST 
                         xvsas01.vilspa.esa.es 
 CONTENT_TYPE 
                         application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
 PATH_TRANSLATED 
                         /data/xmm/html/htdocs/xmm-news/members 
 REMOTE_ADDR 
                         193.147.152.101 
 SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                         Apache/1.3.3 (Unix) 
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
                         CGI/1.1 
 HTTP_COOKIE 
                         xmm-news:admin="(lp1\012S'193.147.152.101'\012p2\012aI945937496\012aI945948296\012aI-732295900\012a."
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
                         it,de-DE,es 
 REMOTE_PORT 
                         44337 
 SERVER_PORT 
                         80 
 TZ 
                         GMT 
 HTTP_USER_AGENT 
                         Mozilla/4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
                         iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 
 HTTP_ACCEPT 
                         image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* 
 REQUEST_URI 
                         /mailman/admin/xmm-news/members 
 PATH 
                         /usr/sbin:/usr/bin 
 QUERY_STRING 
 SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                         HTTP/1.0 
 CONTENT_LENGTH 
                         1364 
 HTTP_HOST 
                         xmm.vilspa.esa.es 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                         POST 
 SERVER_SIGNATURE 
                         Apache/1.3.3 Server at xmm.vilspa.esa.es Port 80
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                         /mailman/admin 
 SERVER_ADMIN 
                         root at xvsoc01.vilspa.esa.es 
 SCRIPT_FILENAME 
                         /data/xmm/mailman/cgi-bin/admin 
 PYTHONPATH 
                         /data/xmm/mailman 
 PATH_INFO 
                         /xmm-news/members 
 HTTP_REFERER 
                         http://xmm.vilspa.esa.es/mailman/admin/xmm-news/members 
 SERVER_NAME 
                         xmm.vilspa.esa.es 
 HTTP_CONNECTION 
                         Keep-Alive 
-- 
Matteo Guainazzi
XMM SOC					INTERNet:  mguainaz at xmm.vilspa.esa.es
VILSPA - ESA                    	Phone:     +34 91 8131 176
Apartado 50727, E-28080 Madrid          Fax:       +34 91 8131 172



From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Thu Dec 23 10:44:49 1999
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:44:49 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transparent bug
In-Reply-To: <3861E3EC.6B26BA71@xmm.vilspa.esa.es>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9912231016060.2969-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Matteo Guainazzi wrote:

> Traceback:
> 
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/data/xmm/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
>     ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
>   File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 876, in ChangeOptions
>     lst.SetUserOption(user, okey, 0)
>   File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 217, in SetUserOption
>     self.Save()
>   File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 799, in Save
>     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
>   File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 277, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
>     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
>   File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in makelink
>     reraise()
>   File "/data/xmm/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in makelink
>     os.symlink(old, new)
> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied
--------------------------^
> 
Matteo, it looks like a permissions problem with something in the archiver
hierarchy. I would try $prefix/bin/check_perms

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From jerry at scoregroup.com  Thu Dec 23 16:42:16 1999
From: jerry at scoregroup.com (Jerry Thomas)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:42:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Conf files
Message-ID: <386242D8.D5029DE5@scoregroup.com>

Could some body please post their Apache Conf Files.

Thank You
-- 
Jerry Thomas 		jerry at scoregroup.com
Network Administrator 	ph. (305) 662-5959 ext. 211
The Score Group		fax (305) 662-5952



From blurr at txraves.org  Thu Dec 23 18:10:01 1999
From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:10:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies? Round 2
References: <002901bf4bc4$73878e00$ea17a8c0@jordan> <385FC00A.CEF61832@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <014701bf4d68$8e7011b0$ea17a8c0@jordan>

> What would you like us to do?  Yes, it looks like a bug.  Have you tried
> either examining the cookie or deleting it?... 

a. to know if any other users have had similar problems/error messages
b.  if so, have they discovered anything new that sheds some light on the situation 
    and what they did to fix it, if they did fix it.
c. if not, are the developers aware of the problem

> You might add something like

i'm not familiar with python. :]

just a squirrel tryin to get a nut...
---
-] jordan
-] blurr at txraves.org
-] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr

- [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Mick" <dan.mick at West.Sun.COM>
To: <blurr at txraves.org>
Cc: "Mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies? Round 2


> blurr at txraves.org wrote:
> > 
> > i never got a response to this.  can someone help me out?
> 
> What would you like us to do?  Yes, it looks like a bug.  Have you tried
> either examining the cookie or deleting it?... since the error message
> pretty
> clearly points to the file of code, and the code is pretty clearly
> examining
> the cookie data itself and finding something wrong....
> 
> You might add something like
> 
> if len(cookiedata) < len(key): return 0
> 
> before 
> 
> if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1]....
> 
> in SecurityManager.py.
> 
> I haven't tested the fix, because I don't know if that's what's going
> wrong.
> 
> > thanks
> > ---
> > -] jordan
> > -] blurr at txraves.org
> > -] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr
> > 
> > - [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <blurr at txraves.org>
> > To: "Mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:35 AM
> > Subject: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 - problem with cookies?
> > 
> > > just like to say i've been running mailman for a good while now and i've turned
> > > into a total list whore! =P
> > >
> > > heres a recent problem i've run into that i'm thinking has to do with cookies.  it
> > > breaks on my machine(internet exploder & nutscrape) but works fine on another
> > > machine.
> > >
> > > Bug in Mailman version 1.1
> > >
> > > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> > >
> > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
> > > description of what happened. Thanks!
> > >
> > > Traceback:
> > > Traceback (innermost last):
> > >   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
> > >     main()
> > >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
> > >     is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
> > >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
> > >     return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
> > >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
> > >     if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
> > > IndexError: string index out of range
> > >
> > > any ideas?
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > > ---
> > > -] jordan
> > > -] blurr at txraves.org
> > > -] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr
> > >
> > > - [ s p r e a d  t h a  v i b e ] -
> > >
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From michael at spconnect.com  Thu Dec 23 18:18:05 1999
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:18:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Conf files
In-Reply-To: <19991223170006.2A1751CD6B@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912230911020.6769-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

I don't know if you want the whole file, but this is out of the srm.conf
file of mine (new appache has everything in httpd.conf)


ScriptAlias   /mailman/       /home/other/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/other/mailman/archives/public/


Also in access.conf (new appache has everything in httpd.conf), I had to
put in 

<Directory /home/other/mailman>
Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks ExecCGI
</Directory>

Current apache is VERY restrictive in its permissions by default.
(rightfully so, but hey, it is always a balance between keeping users
happy and some idea of security.)

These lines gives most people grief: 
# First, we configure the "default" to be a very restrictive set of
# permissions.
#
<Directory />
    Options FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride None
</Directory>




Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:42:16 -0500
From: Jerry Thomas <jerry at scoregroup.com>
Organization: The Score Group
To: Mailman-Users <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Conf files

Could some body please post their Apache Conf Files.

Thank You
--
Jerry Thomas            jerry at scoregroup.com
Network Administrator   ph. (305) 662-5959 ext. 211
The Score Group         fax (305) 662-5952








From jam at jamux.com  Fri Dec 24 02:20:24 1999
From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:20:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to fix spelling ?
Message-ID: <19991224012026.1A8CA481C@athene.jamux.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

After about 2,000 'add_members .. -c y -w y' it appears that the name
of the list was misspelt.  Is there a good way to fix the spelling?

	jam

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: By Mailcrypt 3.5.4 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/>

iD8DBQE4YsosUEvv1b/iXy8RArXAAJ9I7sYwVG5tdf2znBz8AIBRfpOyOACfWkaK
duSmEJYcA44LWrOmDRqbu1g=
=Uw9n
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



From allen at gist.net.au  Fri Dec 24 03:50:47 1999
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:20:47 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UPDATE-2 - problem with cookies? Round 2
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:10:01 MDT."
             <014701bf4d68$8e7011b0$ea17a8c0@jordan> 
Message-ID: <199912240250.NAA13557@harper.gist.net.au>

OK. let me clarify myself.

it appears, that if mailman has not set a cookie, but a sitewide cookie exists 
in the browser, mailman will try to use the sitewide cookie, without checking 
if it is in fact the correct cookie (which at this point is not created).

so, instead of creating a new cookie, as it should, it is dying in the process 
of parsing the wrong cookie.

Hope this helps the developers.

Allen


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             <014701bf4d68$8e7011b0$ea17a8c0 at jordan> 
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From: Allen Bolderoff <allen at gist.net.au>
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List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>

> > What would you like us to do?  Yes, it looks like a bug.  Have you tried
> > either examining the cookie or deleting it?... since the error message
> > pretty
> > clearly points to the file of code, and the code is pretty clearly
> > examining
> > the cookie data itself and finding something wrong....
> > 
> > You might add something like
> > 
> > if len(cookiedata) < len(key): return 0
> > 
> > before 
> > 
> > if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1]....
> > 
> > in SecurityManager.py.
> > 
> > I haven't tested the fix, because I don't know if that's what's going
> > wrong.

This does not work, however, what I can tell you is that if there is another cookie set by the webserver, it appears to confuse mailman.

Mailman then tries to use the other cookie.

ie - I use roxen - http://www.roxen.com

roxen sets a unique cookie for every user that comes to the site.

when I turn on the debug messages by removing the commented debug code, and access a bad page, I get the cookie, which is called RoxenUserID showing in the debug file, not the one we would expect.

In fact, this seems to happen when the cookie does not exist (the authentication cookie that mailman makesm that is) 


Hope this helps 
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From rog at saas.nsw.edu.au  Sun Dec 26 01:27:26 1999
From: rog at saas.nsw.edu.au (Roger Buck)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 11:27:26 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME Digest Topics as links
References: <199912240251.NAA13571@harper.gist.net.au>
Message-ID: <386560EE.C184596@saas.nsw.edu.au>

Is there any MailMan config option for Digests to provide active links -
from the Digest toc to the respective messages contained within that
digest (using simple A NAME or similar links?).

If not, I have zero Python skills, seems that is should be fairly easy
to make the "Todays Topics:" toc into A HREF links?

Anyone suggest an easy way I can make the make the necessary script mods
myself?

Better still, how about incorporating that as a standard option in
future release(s) :-) ?

R.

PS: I have many years experience with list software - After only one day
playing with Mailman it appears to be a truly excellent product already.
Many thanks!



From skip at mojam.com  Mon Dec 27 02:55:26 1999
From: skip at mojam.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:55:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to operate an umbrella list?
Message-ID: <199912270155.TAA01331@dolphin.mojam.com>

I'm brand new to mailman (about 30 minutes ago).  I am switching a group of
related mailing lists to use mailman.  There are five separate mailing
lists, call them l1, l2, l3, l4 and l5.  Each list is associated with a
specific school.  There is a general reflector that looks like this in
/etc/aliases:

    biglist: l1, l2, l3, l4, l5

These are private lists.  Archiving is disabled.  Only list members can view
the contents of their individual lists.  The intention is that people will
normally want to post to biglist, but occasionally want to hold
school-specific discussions on one of the smaller lists.

I am on l3.  As an initial test, I sent mail to the five lists.  The message
got held up in l1 awaiting manager approval.

Is there some way I can continue to operate in this umbrella mode with
things fairly tightly restricted regarding posts?  I guess I'm asking for
something in between allowing only list members to post and allowing the
whole world to post.

Thx,

Skip Montanaro | http://www.mojam.com/
skip at mojam.com | http://www.musi-cal.com/
847-971-7098   | Python: Programming the way Guido indented...




From jdkc at woptura.com  Mon Dec 27 04:30:15 1999
From: jdkc at woptura.com (J.D.K. Chipps)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:30:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help getting setup
Message-ID: <3866DD47.BE9F426@woptura.com>

I've got everything pretty much set except the interface with my server.

The instructions aren't very clear, (to a newbie).  Proably make sense
to someone that is more familiar with the systems involved.

Can you break this down a little for me into particulars.

For example step #4 of the INSTALL says:

"Configure your Web server to give $prefix/cgi-bin permission to run CGI
scripts"

Where do I do this, and what entry/command do I use?



 
-- 


Please help stop the slaughter
http://woptura.com/rescue.html



From stever at seawingsub.com  Mon Dec 27 04:51:58 1999
From: stever at seawingsub.com (Steve Ruby)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:51:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help getting setup
References: <3866DD47.BE9F426@woptura.com>
Message-ID: <3866E25E.AC9F9D66@seawingsub.com>


It depends on what web server you are running I believe that there
is an example in the manual for apache.  For apache you need
to add a line with  ScriptAlias directive pointing from /mailman
to the mailman directory something like

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/

It will be different for each web server. I can help you further with
apache if you want because that is what I use, but not with others

"J.D.K. Chipps" wrote:
> 
> I've got everything pretty much set except the interface with my server.
> 
> The instructions aren't very clear, (to a newbie).  Proably make sense
> to someone that is more familiar with the systems involved.
> 
> Can you break this down a little for me into particulars.
> 
> For example step #4 of the INSTALL says:
> 
> "Configure your Web server to give $prefix/cgi-bin permission to run CGI
> scripts"
> 
> Where do I do this, and what entry/command do I use?
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Please help stop the slaughter
> http://woptura.com/rescue.html
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Mon Dec 27 07:11:56 1999
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:11:56 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ignored error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991227130007.8711A-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

Hi,
I'm competing mailman with my friend's majordomo (and we're both still
newbies at these things), whoever got theirs installed errorfree first
will have the honor of having it used :)  Well, so far I'm ahead since he
still has to download and install a list-news plug in, while i've only to
fix some "ignored" errors:

I keep getting mail like this:

Subject: Cron <mailman at server> /usr/bin/python
/home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Exception Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError:
<Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError instance at 8186820> in <method
LockFile.__del__ of LockFile instance at 80f7c88> ignored

I get that every once in a while (cron, duh) but don't know what to fix.
I have followed the install guide, twice, but still receives it.
Oh, I'm using Linux Mandrake 6.1, Sendmail 8.9

Thanks in advance for the help that may come...

A Iqbal Santyaswardan
iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Dec 27 06:39:50 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:39:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ignored error
References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991227130007.8711A-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>
Message-ID: <14438.64422.144632.866123@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "AIS" == A Iqbal Santyaswardan <iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id> writes:

    AIS> Hi, I'm competing mailman with my friend's majordomo (and
    AIS> we're both still newbies at these things), whoever got theirs
    AIS> installed errorfree first will have the honor of having it
    AIS> used :) Well, so far I'm ahead since he still has to download
    AIS> and install a list-news plug in, while i've only to fix some
    AIS> "ignored" errors:

You can basically ignore this.  It doesn't affect performance and it
should be fixed with the next release.

-Barry



From jdkc at woptura.com  Mon Dec 27 10:25:53 1999
From: jdkc at woptura.com (J.D.K. Chipps)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 03:25:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 404 Not Found
References: <19991227025554.9CB5B1CD59@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <386730A1.ABDF5251@woptura.com>

Got it all set up and ran #bin/check_perms, and it checked clean, "No
Problems"

But my server still isn't finding the page.

I have tried configuring it two ways:

#1= chipps.woptura.com

#2- woptura.com   <-----(this one matches my domain)

Neither works, I get the message:

Not Found

The requested URL /mailman/admin/test was not found on this server


-- 


Please help stop the slaughter
http://woptura.com/rescue.html



From jerry at scoregroup.com  Mon Dec 27 17:21:07 1999
From: jerry at scoregroup.com (Jerry Thomas)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble Shooting
Message-ID: <386791F3.8747BDC6@scoregroup.com>

	I am trying to troubleshoot my install but I am severely hampered by my
lack of knowledge of the software.  If some one could please answer
these questionsfor me.

1)  How does the web interface work.  Does it build the admin and
listinfo pages whenever they are requested or does it build them during
list creation.  If the latter where does it put the files.

2)  For Apache do I need some type of special python cgi handler.

Thank You, 
Jerry  Thomas
-- 
Jerry Thomas 		jerry at scoregroup.com
Network Administrator 	ph. (305) 662-5959 ext. 211
The Score Group		fax (305) 662-5952



From ilkant at icon.fi  Mon Dec 27 23:48:43 1999
From: ilkant at icon.fi (Ilpo Kantonen)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:48:43 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change users host?
Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.19991227224843.24e7effc@pop.icon.fi>

I asked some months ago how to change users host in
mailman list if you are listowner. I got answer you
can edit some file. But if I have no access to machine
which runs mailman. How is it possible then?

It would be neatest solution, if user can change himself/herself
own address in list.

Regards, Ilpo Kantonen.





From michael at spconnect.com  Tue Dec 28 18:07:41 1999
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:07:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How to change users host?
In-Reply-To: <19991228170006.C88931CD1E@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912280906070.13496-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

Easiest is just to unsubscribe the person at old e-mail address then
resubscribe the person with new e-mail address.

> 
> 
> I asked some months ago how to change users host in
> mailman list if you are listowner. I got answer you
> can edit some file. But if I have no access to machine
> which runs mailman. How is it possible then?
> 




From skip at mojam.com  Tue Dec 28 23:58:34 1999
From: skip at mojam.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:58:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan or Pipermail bug or just pilot error?
Message-ID: <199912282258.QAA04135@dolphin.mojam.com>

I just joined the PythonMac SIG and decided to browse the list archives.
I noticed that the most recent archives at

    http://www.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/

show 2009-December as the current month.  Since this rollover stuff happens
automatically my presumption is it's a bug in either MailMan or Pipermail.

Skip Montanaro | http://www.mojam.com/
skip at mojam.com | http://www.musi-cal.com/
847-971-7098   | Python: Programming the way Guido indented...



From alex at phred.org  Wed Dec 29 00:57:39 1999
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:57:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in lockfile cleanup
Message-ID: <021001bf518f$52e166a0$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>

Today the filetable on my machine filled up, which gave mailman some issues.
It didn't properly cleanup some lock files and this caused all other
operations to fail.

Here are the relavent portions of the error log file:
Dec 28 14:04:39 1999 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 200, in lock
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 156, in __read
post: IOError :  (23, 'Too many open files in system')
Dec 28 14:24:06 1999 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
post:      mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
post:      self.Load()
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
post:      self.Lock()
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
post:      self.__lock.lock()
post:   File "/usr2/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock
post:      os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
post: os . error :  (2, 'No such file or directory')

Known issue?  Has the code around line 245 not been fully tested?

My workaround was to remove all lockfiles manually.  The list is running
happily now.

System details:
FreeBSD 2.2.2 (maxusers set to 10 when this occured, I just up'd it to 20...
yes I know that 2.2.2 is crusty)
Python 1.5 built with GCC 2.7.2.1
Mailman 1.1

thanks,
alex




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Dec 29 01:17:15 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:17:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan or Pipermail bug or just pilot error?
References: <199912282258.QAA04135@dolphin.mojam.com>
Message-ID: <14441.21259.372003.289341@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "SM" == Skip Montanaro <skip at mojam.com> writes:

    SM> I just joined the PythonMac SIG and decided to browse the list
    SM> archives.  I noticed that the most recent archives at

    SM>     http://www.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/

    SM> show 2009-December as the current month.  Since this rollover
    SM> stuff happens automatically my presumption is it's a bug in
    SM> either MailMan or Pipermail.

Actually what's happening is that Pipermail believes the Date: field
given in the original message.  Take a look at the flat text file and
you'll see that fkawasak's message contains the bogus date (maybe he
was playing y2k conformance testing).

The lists have an option to ignore the Date: claim and use the date
when Mailman resends it.  Assuming that works, maybe it should be the
default.  I doubt anybody ever changes it (I surely haven't for any of
my lists).

-Barry



From tenant at tenant.net  Wed Dec 29 01:52:15 1999
From: tenant at tenant.net (tenant)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:52:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Totally lost Newbie needs help, Please
Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991227215156.00a6b100@tenant.net>

We would appreciate guidance from members of this list. After yearss of 
being hosted by an ISP and ussing Majordomo, we've moved to our own 
co-located server running Redhat Linux 6.1 that we administer. Our 
understanding of Linux is limited. Any help will be appreciated.

Following the install directions, we created a mailman account at 
/home/mailman. Also created group mailman -- and chmod'd as per install 
instructions.

$ whereis python
python: /usr/bin/python1.5 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/python1.5

$ whereis gcc
gcc: /usr/bin/gcc /usr/man/man1/gcc.1

So when we run configure, we get:

$ ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=nobody
./configure: ./config.log: Permission denied
./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
./configure: confdefs.h: Permission denied
creating cache ./config.cache
./configure: ./config.cache: Permission denied
checking for --with-python... ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
checking for python... ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
/usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
/usr/bin/python
checking for a BSD compatible install... ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
/usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
./configure: conftestmake: Permission denied
no
checking for true... ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
no
checking for gcc... ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... ./configure: 5: Bad file 
descriptor
./configure: conftest.c: Permission denied
./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot 
create executables.

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From CHAMPETH at e-i.com  Wed Dec 29 17:09:18 1999
From: CHAMPETH at e-i.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thi=E9baut_Champenier?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:09:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments
Message-ID: <19991229170918.C11733@firework.eid-bad.e-i.com>

Hi,

When I use Outlook 98 to post a message with an attachment to my list,
the attachment is removed by Mailman:

the header

Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
        boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BF5214.9F5E6390"

is removed and the message then appears directly like this:


begin 600 becmsdm.pdf
M)5!$1BTQ+C(@#0HEXN//TPT*(`T*.2`P(&]B:@T*/#P-"B],96YG=&@@,3`@
M,"!2#0HO1FEL=&5R("],6E=$96-O9&4@#0H^/@T*<W1R96%M#0J`$(J`T;C<

and so on...

any idea why the Content-Type headers get lost ?

-- 
Thi?baut CHAMPENIER 



From bryanb at walls-media.com  Wed Dec 29 18:02:20 1999
From: bryanb at walls-media.com (Bryan Bunch)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:02:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Question..
Message-ID: <NCBBKADAOJFBCBLNLMILAEPKCOAA.bryanb@walls-media.com>

Hello All,

I have recently started using Mailman, and am quite please with it. I have
one question/problem to ask. I noticed if a user posts a message in plain
text mode, the footer appears on the messages as it should, but if a user
posts a message in HTML format, there is no footer. Is there a way to make
the footer appear if the poster posts in HTML format (most new mail readers
default to HTML format)?
Thanks for any help.

Pertinent info:

FreeBSD 2.2.x-STABLE
Apache 1.3.9
Mailman 1.1


Bryan Bunch




From tenant at tenant.net  Wed Dec 29 18:48:03 1999
From: tenant at tenant.net (tenant)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:48:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Totally lost Newbie needs a bit more help.
Message-ID: <4.2.2.19991229123929.00a476d0@tenant.net>

Thanks to those who responded to my plea. The suggestion was to do the 
install as root. It worked -- even though the instructions said not to do 
it as root. Go figure!

So I've gotten well down on the list. I have a rudimentry understanding of 
apache configuration, but certainly not expert.

I created the list "test" and received the email telling us to go to:

  http://www.tenant.net/admin/test

OK, so it doesn't work and I get a 404. Looking at some old messages from 
the list, I erase the previous changes to access.conf and add the following 
(not sure about the mailmanlog directory as it doesn't exist):

# stuff for mailman
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
#Alias /mailmanlogo/ /home/mailman/logo/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /home/mailman>
allow from all
Options FollowSymLinks
</Directory>

So on a hunch, I edit the URL on my browser to read"

http://www.tenant.net/mailman/admin/test

and sure enough I get the password page for the admin functions. But this 
is not what is reflected on the email I received. So it the apache config 
worng? Or is it something in the mm_cfg.py file? Seems as it's OK as long 
as I use the URL above, but the program things it is something else.

Thanks again!
John Fisher
TenantNet


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From c.davis at actrix.gen.nz  Wed Dec 29 22:28:29 1999
From: c.davis at actrix.gen.nz (Christine Davis)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:28:29 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Publicly available lists?
Message-ID: <002401bf5243$a65184f0$641560cb@solomon.actrix.gen.nz>

If I look at /mailman/listinfo/ I am told there are no publicly available lists (which I know is a horrible lie);  but if I look at /mailman/admin/ the lists are all there (that is,  the public ones that should be there).

What do you suppose would cause this?  and more importantly,  how could I fix it?

Tahs,
Christine Davis
Actrix Networks Limited
c.davis at actrix.gen.nz
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From andy at goingv.com  Wed Dec 29 22:56:11 1999
From: andy at goingv.com (Andy Ciordia)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:56:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Publicly available lists?
In-Reply-To: <002401bf5243$a65184f0$641560cb@solomon.actrix.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912291654240.30939-100000@mypet.goingv.com>

There is an option that asks if you would like to make this list public.
Public being defined as showing up on said webpage you noticed.  The
option is under Privacy Options and is the first one.

-Andy

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Christine Davis wrote:

> If I look at /mailman/listinfo/ I am told there are no publicly available lists (which I know is a horrible lie);  but if I look at /mailman/admin/ the lists are all there (that is,  the public ones that should be there).
> 
> What do you suppose would cause this?  and more importantly,  how could I fix it?
> 
> Tahs,
> Christine Davis
> Actrix Networks Limited
> c.davis at actrix.gen.nz
> 




From c.davis at actrix.gen.nz  Wed Dec 29 22:59:22 1999
From: c.davis at actrix.gen.nz (Christine Davis)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:59:22 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Publicly available lists?
Message-ID: <005e01bf5247$f71509d0$641560cb@solomon.actrix.gen.nz>

Perhaps I should clarify.

The lists which I have set to be public aren't showing up in listinfo;  (but
do still show up in the admin pages)

Private lists aren't showing up anywhere,  just like they should.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Ciordia <andy at goingv.com>
To: Christine Davis <c.davis at actrix.gen.nz>
Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] No Publicly available lists?


>There is an option that asks if you would like to make this list public.
>Public being defined as showing up on said webpage you noticed.  The
>option is under Privacy Options and is the first one.
>
>-Andy
>
>On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Christine Davis wrote:
>
>> If I look at /mailman/listinfo/ I am told there are no publicly available
lists (which I know is a horrible lie);  but if I look at /mailman/admin/
the lists are all there (that is,  the public ones that should be there).
>>
>> What do you suppose would cause this?  and more importantly,  how could I
fix it?
>>
>> Tahs,
>> Christine Davis
>> Actrix Networks Limited
>> c.davis at actrix.gen.nz
>>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From sdinn at spine.cx  Wed Dec 29 23:18:02 1999
From: sdinn at spine.cx (Steve Dinn)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:18:02 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Publicly available lists?
In-Reply-To: <005e01bf5247$f71509d0$641560cb@solomon.actrix.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9912291816300.26144-100000@spine.cx>

It could be the URL that was used in each case:

If you set up your lists to use http://www.example.net and then use the
URL http://example.net to get to the listinfo page, no lists will show up.

I found this out the hard way myself.

	-Steve.

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Christine Davis wrote:

> Perhaps I should clarify.
> 
> The lists which I have set to be public aren't showing up in listinfo;  (but
> do still show up in the admin pages)
> 
> Private lists aren't showing up anywhere,  just like they should.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Ciordia <andy at goingv.com>
> To: Christine Davis <c.davis at actrix.gen.nz>
> Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] No Publicly available lists?
> 
> 
> >There is an option that asks if you would like to make this list public.
> >Public being defined as showing up on said webpage you noticed.  The
> >option is under Privacy Options and is the first one.
> >
> >-Andy
> >
> >On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Christine Davis wrote:
> >
> >> If I look at /mailman/listinfo/ I am told there are no publicly available
> lists (which I know is a horrible lie);  but if I look at /mailman/admin/
> the lists are all there (that is,  the public ones that should be there).
> >>
> >> What do you suppose would cause this?  and more importantly,  how could I
> fix it?
> >>
> >> Tahs,
> >> Christine Davis
> >> Actrix Networks Limited
> >> c.davis at actrix.gen.nz
> >>
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

-- 
 Steve Dinn                       email:  mailto:sdinn at spine.cx
                                    www:  http://users.andara.com/~sdinn

       "Save the whales.  Feed the hungry.  Free the mallocs."





From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec 30 01:34:57 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:34:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Publicly available lists?
References: <002401bf5243$a65184f0$641560cb@solomon.actrix.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <14442.43185.100899.484718@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "CD" == Christine Davis <c.davis at actrix.gen.nz> writes:

    CD> If I look at /mailman/listinfo/ I am told there are no
    CD> publicly available lists (which I know is a horrible lie); but
    CD> if I look at /mailman/admin/ the lists are all there (that is,
    CD> the public ones that should be there).

    CD> What do you suppose would cause this?  and more importantly,
    CD> how could I fix it?

Possibly an issue with virtual host support?  Look at
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW in Defaults.py

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec 30 01:40:30 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:40:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer Question..
References: <NCBBKADAOJFBCBLNLMILAEPKCOAA.bryanb@walls-media.com>
Message-ID: <14442.43518.817710.449820@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "BB" == Bryan Bunch <bryanb at walls-media.com> writes:

    BB> I have recently started using Mailman, and am quite please
    BB> with it. I have one question/problem to ask. I noticed if a
    BB> user posts a message in plain text mode, the footer appears on
    BB> the messages as it should, but if a user posts a message in
    BB> HTML format, there is no footer. Is there a way to make the
    BB> footer appear if the poster posts in HTML format (most new
    BB> mail readers default to HTML format)?

Which of course is completely evil!

Mailman doesn't takes the MIME-ness of a message into account when in
slaps on the footer (or header, but almost nobody uses those).  The
footer is there, but not properly attached as a MIME chunk.  Feel free
to add this to the bugs database.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec 30 01:44:26 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:44:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in lockfile cleanup
References: <021001bf518f$52e166a0$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>
Message-ID: <14442.43754.220805.378799@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "aw" == alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> writes:

    aw> Today the filetable on my machine filled up, which gave
    aw> mailman some issues.  It didn't properly cleanup some lock
    aw> files and this caused all other operations to fail.

    aw> Known issue?  Has the code around line 245 not been fully
    aw> tested?

This stuff has changed somewhat in the current CVS snapshot.  So far I
haven't seen the exception in my production system on python.org since
installing 1.2exp.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec 30 01:46:13 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:46:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble Shooting
References: <386791F3.8747BDC6@scoregroup.com>
Message-ID: <14442.43861.833660.883914@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JT" == Jerry Thomas <jerry at scoregroup.com> writes:

    JT> 1) How does the web interface work.  Does it build the admin
    JT> and listinfo pages whenever they are requested or does it
    JT> build them during list creation.

Yes.

    JT> 2) For Apache do I need some type of special python cgi
    JT> handler.

No.  If you have a reasonably modern version of Python installed
(1.5.2 is recommended), Mailman comes with everything else it needs.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec 30 01:49:05 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:49:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to operate an umbrella list?
References: <199912270155.TAA01331@dolphin.mojam.com>
Message-ID: <14442.44033.96910.494619@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "SM" == Skip Montanaro <skip at mojam.com> writes:

    SM> I'm brand new to mailman (about 30 minutes ago).

Welcome Skip!
    
    SM> I am on l3.  As an initial test, I sent mail to the five
    SM> lists.  The message got held up in l1 awaiting manager
    SM> approval.

You don't say why it was held, but I'm guess because of implicit
destination.  If so, you'll probably want to add each of the other l?
lists, and biglist, as aliases for each other.  That way a posting To:
or CC: any of them will pass the implicit destination spam protection.

-Barry



From rickm at axess.com  Thu Dec 30 04:09:25 1999
From: rickm at axess.com (Rick Macdougall)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems logging in to Web page
Message-ID: <00ca01bf5273$476b6340$0241a2d8@jibber.axess.com>

Hi All,

Been running mailman for a few months now and I've had a problem myself using the web interface.  I thought it was perhaps my computer and the cookies as I had PGP and a verisign certificate installed.  I have since done a clean install at home (Win 98 SE) and have added nothing more.  

I still have a problem getting into any of the admin/list pages. Internal Server Error and a Premature End of Script Headers in the error log.  Funny thing is, none of the list managers have any problem at all accessing the web based admin, I seem to be the only one and the lists themselves are working just fine.

If I remove the cookie from my machine and try again, I can get as far as the main admin page for the list but can not get past the main page without encountering the Internal Server Errors.

Server Stats:

Linux 2.2.12
P II 500
512 Meg ram
Apache 1.3.6
Python 1.5 (appears to be)

Thanks in Advance,

Rick


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From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Thu Dec 30 07:49:13 1999
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:49:13 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Publicly available lists?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9912291654240.30939-100000@mypet.goingv.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.991230134643.8572D-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Andy Ciordia wrote:

> There is an option that asks if you would like to make this list public.
> Public being defined as showing up on said webpage you noticed.  The
> option is under Privacy Options and is the first one.
> On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Christine Davis wrote:
> 
> > If I look at /mailman/listinfo/ I am told there are no publicly available lists (which I know is a horrible lie);  but if I look at /mailman/admin/ the lists are all there (that is,  the public ones that should be there).

When I set it to no, the list is not shown in /listinfo (as it should),
but also it is not shown in /admin (should it?)  is it supposed to be like
that?

A Iqbal Santyaswardan
iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id




From CHAMPETH at e-i.com  Thu Dec 30 08:15:26 1999
From: CHAMPETH at e-i.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thi=E9baut_Champenier?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:15:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Totally lost Newbie needs a bit more help.
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.19991229123929.00a476d0@tenant.net>; from tenant@tenant.net on Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 12:48:03PM -0500
References: <4.2.2.19991229123929.00a476d0@tenant.net>
Message-ID: <19991230081526.F11733@firework.eid-bad.e-i.com>

On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 12:48:03PM -0500, tenant wrote:

> I created the list "test" and received the email telling us to go to:
> 
>   http://www.tenant.net/admin/test
> 
> OK, so it doesn't work and I get a 404. 

you can change this url on the general admin web page for your list (in
the "Base URL for Mailman" field, at the bottom of the page), set it to
http://www.tenant.net/mailman/




From allen at gist.net.au  Thu Dec 30 08:29:31 1999
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:59:31 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems logging in to Web page 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Rick Macdougall" <rickm@axess.com> 
   of "Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:09:25 CDT." <00ca01bf5273$476b6340$0241a2d8@jibber.axess.com> 
Message-ID: <199912300729.RAA08651@harper.gist.net.au>

This problem is explained - without solution, (any comment from mailman 
developers?) in my last 2 emails to this list.

I believe you web server may be issuing a cookie, before the admin page is 
issuing it's cookie.

look, go to http://www.list.org/ and look at the mailman users list archive, 
find my last 2 emails to the list.

I explained it all there.

Allen
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From rickm at axess.com  Thu Dec 30 13:54:06 1999
From: rickm at axess.com (Rick Macdougall)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:54:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems logging in to Web page 
References: <199912300729.RAA08651@harper.gist.net.au>
Message-ID: <018601bf52c4$f52d0820$0241a2d8@jibber.axess.com>

Hello,

The problem explained in your second e-mail is 100% correct.  If a cookie
for the site already exists, then it will attempt to use that one instead of
the correct mailman cookie.  Not sure if it is a python bug or a coding bug
but I will investigate further.

I have removed my other cookies, gnudip etc, and now it works perfectly.

Thanks for the help!

Regards,

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Bolderoff <allen at gist.net.au>
To: Rick Macdougall <rickm at axess.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>; <allen at harper.gist.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems logging in to Web page


> This problem is explained - without solution, (any comment from mailman
> developers?) in my last 2 emails to this list.
>
> I believe you web server may be issuing a cookie, before the admin page is
> issuing it's cookie.
>
> look, go to http://www.list.org/ and look at the mailman users list
archive,
> find my last 2 emails to the list.
>
> I explained it all there.
>
> Allen
> --
>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Allen Bolderoff <allen at gist.net.au>
> LNC - Redhat and Linux, help and commentary http://linux.netnerve.com
> CTPC - Caffeine - get it here: http://www.coffee-tea-pots-cups.com/
>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> GPG fingerprint = CBB0 8626 702C 3D01 B5AD  A54A DC2C 93B7 3E4B 6472
>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From alex at phred.org  Thu Dec 30 17:46:36 1999
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:46:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in lockfile cleanup
References: <021001bf518f$52e166a0$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV> <14442.43754.220805.378799@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <015301bf52e5$7418bd30$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>

From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us>
> This stuff has changed somewhat in the current CVS snapshot.  So far I
> haven't seen the exception in my production system on python.org since
> installing 1.2exp.

When is 1.2 coming out?  This is a production machine, so I am not
interested in running beta software.

thanks,
alex




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Dec 30 18:52:38 1999
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:52:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in lockfile cleanup 
In-Reply-To: Message from "alex wetmore" <alex@phred.org> 
   of "Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:46:36 PST." <015301bf52e5$7418bd30$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV> 
References: <021001bf518f$52e166a0$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV> <14442.43754.220805.378799@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>  <015301bf52e5$7418bd30$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV> 
Message-ID: <E123jkc-0003l6-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:46:36 -0800 
alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> wrote:

> When is 1.2 coming out?  This is a production machine, so I am not
> interested in running beta software.

"Release" and "beta" don't really mean as much for Open Source
projects as they do for commercial.  The line between them tends to
be both fuzzy and often missing.  I have the same concerns for
production environments so I do the old standard:  run a second
parallel machine with any new software for a while before rolling it 
into production.

At that point the lines between "CVS copy", "beta" and "release"
become non-existant.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
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From alex at phred.org  Thu Dec 30 18:54:12 1999
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:54:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in lockfile cleanup 
References: <021001bf518f$52e166a0$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV> <14442.43754.220805.378799@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>  <015301bf52e5$7418bd30$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>  <E123jkc-0003l6-00@dingo.kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <01a201bf52ee$e2182330$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>

From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
> On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:46:36 -0800
> alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> wrote:
>
> > When is 1.2 coming out?  This is a production machine, so I am not
> > interested in running beta software.
>
> "Release" and "beta" don't really mean as much for Open Source
> projects as they do for commercial.  The line between them tends to
> be both fuzzy and often missing.  I have the same concerns for
> production environments so I do the old standard:  run a second
> parallel machine with any new software for a while before rolling it
> into production.

This depends on how the project is run.  I am running FreeBSD on this
machine (also open source) and can generally be assured that the -stable
builds have been well tested and are suitable for use on a production
machine.

> At that point the lines between "CVS copy", "beta" and "release"
> become non-existant.

In FreeBSD terms I would think of "CVS copy" as being -current, "beta" as
being -snapshot, and "release" as being -release or -stable.  For this
machine I would prefer to run builds which are -release or -stable quality.
It was my assumption that the 1.0, 1.1, and upcoming 1.2 releases of mailman
would be the equivelent of this.

If I take a random CVS copy of your tree then I have no assurances that I
didn't take the snapshot just after a large destablizing checkin took place.
One can get this information if they choose to hang out on developer mailing
lists, but doing so for each of the open source projects that one uses would
become a fulltime job (and I already have one of those).

So I will ask again: when is 1.2 (or the next stable code snapshot) coming
out?

alex




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Dec 30 21:15:39 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:15:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in lockfile cleanup
References: <021001bf518f$52e166a0$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>
	<14442.43754.220805.378799@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<015301bf52e5$7418bd30$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>
Message-ID: <14443.48491.52945.482640@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "aw" == alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> writes:

    aw> When is 1.2 coming out?  This is a production machine, so I am
    aw> not interested in running beta software.

Hard to say, certainly not before the Python conference.



From tom at suespammers.org  Fri Dec 31 10:33:52 1999
From: tom at suespammers.org (Tom Geller)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:33:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still having errors in senddigests
Message-ID: <199912310918.BAA28792@plushie.suespammers.org>

I installed the latest versions of python, tix and tkinter like folks on 
this list suggested, and I'm still getting error messages when cron runs 
the "senddigests" job 
(/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman//cron/senddigests). Here's the error 
message it delivers every day:

---begin---

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman//cron/senddigests", line 41, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman//cron/senddigests", line 35, in 
main
    list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, 
in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, 
in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

---end---

Any suggestions?


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