From dcinege at psychosis.com  Tue Jun  1 01:21:23 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:21:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] run_queue just hangs...
Message-ID: <37531973.E769B3B4@psychosis.com>

Mail man seems to be running OK now, but 'run_queue' does nothing but
hang eveytime cron runs it. I woke up this morning a 'ps' tree full of them.

I can't find and error's directly and if I run it as the mailman user (list) it
does nothing. The most I can get is this when I Ctrl-C out.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ?
    OutgoingQueue.processQueue()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 88, in processQueue
    lock_file.lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 182, in lock
    time.sleep(self.sleep_interval)
KeyboardInterrupt

Eh? It's sleeping on a lock file??

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From dcinege at psychosis.com  Tue Jun  1 05:28:47 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] run_queue just hangs...
References: <37531973.E769B3B4@psychosis.com>
Message-ID: <3753536F.CC6F3545@psychosis.com>

Dave Cinege wrote:
> 

Now some of them are dying with:

Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/var/lib/mailman/logs/smtp-failures'>
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files')
Original log message:
(24, 'Too many open files')
May 31 23:12:14 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To mike_stroven at effectnet.com:
May 31 23:12:14 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:    socket.error  / host not found
(deferred)
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ?
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 120, in processQueue
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files')

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From ds-list-mailman at sws5.ctd.ornl.gov  Tue Jun  1 18:13:26 1999
From: ds-list-mailman at sws5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:13:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtplib
Message-ID: <14164.1702.870012.530949@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov>

It looks like Mailman does:

    MAIL FROM:mailman-owner at sws1.ctd.ornl.gov

instead of:

    MAIL FROM:<mailman-owner at sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>

I wonder what other SMTP corners were cut.

-Dave



From linnkarik at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 20:04:45 1999
From: linnkarik at yahoo.com (Me)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:04:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <19990601180445.3447.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com>

Hi ...

this is actually a re-post of a problem I sent
earlier, but I've still haven't managed to solve
it.

I set up a demo mailman installation at my
server. Everything goes fine, I got my lists out,
subcription work OK, admin page is cool, etc.

However, the problem is my archives page. My
current archives isn't accessible with a message 
 "You don't have permission to access
/pipermail/sme/1999-May.txt.gz on this server."

The previous week's archives are ok. 

You can have a look yourself at 
http://listserv.mysmac.com/pipermail/sme/

So if anyone has a clue, SOS me!!! please :)

Thanks in advance

Feisal
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com




From claw at varesearch.com  Tue Jun  1 20:54:39 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:54:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Exim, and Debian (recipient rejected) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Cinege <dcinege@psychosis.com> 
   of "Mon, 31 May 1999 00:58:33 EDT." <375216F9.67717AB6@psychosis.com> 
Message-ID: <E10otgN-00033X-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Mon, 31 May 1999 00:58:33 -0400 
Dave Cinege <dcinege at psychosis.com> wrote:

> If your exim is setup with good relay controls (aka CORRECTLY!)
> all resends will get rejected with the error:

Not entirely true.  If you allow locahost (127.0.0.1) to be an open
relay (which can be a totally acceptable configuration) mailman is
quite happy.

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From dcinege at psychosis.com  Tue Jun  1 21:14:28 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:14:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Exim, and Debian (recipient rejected)
References: <E10otgN-00033X-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
Message-ID: <37543114.1807A8D1@psychosis.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 31 May 1999 00:58:33 -0400
> Dave Cinege <dcinege at psychosis.com> wrote:
> 
> > If your exim is setup with good relay controls (aka CORRECTLY!)
> > all resends will get rejected with the error:

> Not entirely true. 

If you read further down in my mail, this problem was because
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0. It had nothing to do with it coming from localhost.

> If you allow locahost (127.0.0.1) to be an open
> relay (which can be a totally acceptable configuration) mailman is
> quite happy.

For some reason allowing 127.0.0.1 makes me warry some hole will be opened to
allow a spoof. (Call me paranoid) Infact I just changed the SMTPHOST
to my actual host name and removed the localhost allowence.

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Over 750,000 people are now in jail for consensual 'crimes'. 2 million more
are now on parole or probation. 4 million more will be arrested this year.
Would someone please remind how 'free' America is again?



From jerry.alexandratos at quansoo.com  Tue Jun  1 22:24:16 1999
From: jerry.alexandratos at quansoo.com (Jerry Alexandratos)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:24:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dropped SMTP Connections
Message-ID: <E10ov56-0002Rd-00@tardis.quansoo.com>

I've been getting the following errors on certain mailing lists I
manage:

May 25 15:23:21 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / Connection unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)

Any ideas what could be causing this and what I can do to fix it?

Oh, and before I forget, I'm running the following:

OS:      FreeBSD 3.2
MTA:     Exim 2.12
Python:  Python 1.5.2
Mailman: Mailman 1.0rc1

Thanks in advance...

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 302.521.1018               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jalexand at quansoo.com       ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!



From christopher at schulte.org  Tue Jun  1 23:37:20 1999
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:37:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives: not splitting at correct date
Message-ID: <4.1.19990601163248.00acfc70@pop.schulte.org>

I've got an archive for one of my mailing lists:

http://lists.schulte.org/pipermail/pptp-server/

The archive is supposed to branch off at the end of the month and start a
new one.

For some reason the new JUNE archive started with messages that were posted
at the end of May.

http://lists.schulte.org/pipermail/pptp-server/1999-June/thread.html
http://lists.schulte.org/pipermail/pptp-server/1999-May/thread.html

You'll see what I am referring to.

Any ideas?  Many thanks.

--
Christopher Schulte 
WEB: http://www.schulte.org/ 
EMAIL: christopher at schulte.org
FAX: (209) 391.9867

"The more I give to you, the more I die!"
(the perfect drug)
--Trent Reznor, Nine Inch Nails HALO 11




From tomaz.borstnar at over.net  Wed Jun  2 03:01:24 1999
From: tomaz.borstnar at over.net (Tomaz Borstnar)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 03:01:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dropped SMTP Connections
In-Reply-To: <E10ov56-0002Rd-00@tardis.quansoo.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990602025937.0384b7f0@193.189.189.100>

At 22:24 1.6.99 , Jerry Alexandratos wrote the following message:
>May 25 15:23:21 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: 
>Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / Connection 
>unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)
>Any ideas what could be causing this and what I can do to fix it?

Did it work before? Maybe problems with standard conformance? I had such 
problems with mailman and zmailer where zmailer wasn't happy with mailman 
being sloppy.

Do you have any logs from exim?

Tomaz


----
Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar at over.net>
"Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown



From jdc at nterprise.net  Wed Jun  2 04:13:57 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:13:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get rid of Apparently To?
Message-ID: <19990601201357.48715@denver.net>

My boss just sent out a notice to our customer list using mailman 1.0rc1
and wrote "this new list software sucks" because it included an
"apparently-to:" line for each of our customers in the header.  I had
never noticed this before because I use various unix mailers and have
most headers turned off.  He apparently uses Eudora which shows those
apparently to's by default.  Is there any way to get rid of it so that the
membership list isn't divulged every time mailman sends out a message (or
more likely did I screw something up when I configured the mailing list?)


-- 
John-David Childs (JC612)	Enterprise Internet Solutions
Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to
speak it to?
		-- Clarence Darrow



From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Wed Jun  2 06:02:37 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:02:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help w/RH 6.0, sendmail 8.9.3 and mailman rc1
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906012257470.6324-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

I have moved my installation to a different machine, and have installed
mailman 1.0rc1. I have created a list and can send mail to myself via the
list, but not to anyone else. I keep seeing a "relaying denied" in the
maillog. I am able to relay from the localhost, and from other machines on
my 192.168 network. I don't see what's going on, and I actually suspect
this is not a mailman issue but rather, a sendmail one. If anyone has
mailman running on a vanilla redhat 6.0 system, I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From dcinege at psychosis.com  Wed Jun  2 06:16:54 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:16:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get rid of Apparently To?
References: <19990601201357.48715@denver.net>
Message-ID: <3754B036.C3DEF092@psychosis.com>

John-David Childs wrote:
> 
> membership list isn't divulged every time mailman sends out a message (or
> more likely did I screw something up when I configured the mailing list?)

I'd guess it's your MTA configuation....I don't see any sign of that
header here.

In exim I have 'always_bcc = true' which prevents most things like this.

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Over 750,000 people are now in jail for consensual 'crimes'. 2 million more
are now on parole or probation. 4 million more will be arrested this year.
Would someone please remind how 'free' America is again?



From dcinege at psychosis.com  Wed Jun  2 06:32:57 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:32:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dropped SMTP Connections
References: <4.2.0.56.19990602025937.0384b7f0@193.189.189.100>
Message-ID: <3754B3F9.A6408660@psychosis.com>

Tomaz Borstnar wrote:
> 
> At 22:24 1.6.99 , Jerry Alexandratos wrote the following message:
> >May 25 15:23:21 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
> >Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / Connection
> >unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)
> >Any ideas what could be causing this and what I can do to fix it?
> 
> Did it work before? Maybe problems with standard conformance? I had such
> problems with mailman and zmailer where zmailer wasn't happy with mailman
> being sloppy.
> 
> Do you have any logs from exim?

I think I saw this too. (Though in eximon).
I commented out: recipients_max = 15 and I *THINK* that is what stopped
it. If that was not it it was because I set SMTPHOST to my host name instead of
local host. (Those are the only two things I remember changing before I didnt'
see it anymore)


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From jdc at nterprise.net  Wed Jun  2 06:40:49 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:40:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mea Culpa (was: Apparently To header)
Message-ID: <19990601224049.28114@denver.net>

As others guessed, it was my sendmail configuration which caused
the "apparently-to" mail header to appear:

# action to take if there are no recipients in the message
O NoRecipientAction=add-apparently-to

I added this years ago to assist in tracking SPAM when
there was no defined TO: line (so I could see which of
my InterNIC registered addresses was being targeted ;-)

I guess I'm still at a loss to explain why sendmail didn't
pick up a recipient, but I'll take it up with the
boss tomorrow.  THanks everyone.


From SENDER at denver.net  Wed Jun  2 01:07:05 1999
From: SENDER at denver.net (@denver.net Accounting Department)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:07:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [LISTNAME] Random Drawing for a FREE! month of Internet access
Message-ID: <199906012307.RAA10901@milehigh.denver.net>

AD NAUSEUM

-- 
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Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
No problem is so large it can't be fit in somewhere.



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Jun  2 16:27:52 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:27:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get rid of Apparently To?
References: <19990601201357.48715@denver.net>
Message-ID: <14165.16232.539661.401543@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JC" == John-David Childs <jdc at nterprise.net> writes:

    JC> My boss just sent out a notice to our customer list using
    JC> mailman 1.0rc1 and wrote "this new list software sucks"
    JC> because it included an "apparently-to:" line for each of our
    JC> customers in the header.

It's not Mailman putting those headers in; must be your MTA.
E.g. Take a look at your message to this list!

-Barry

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From peter at gol.com  Wed Jun  2 16:53:59 1999
From: peter at gol.com (Peter Evans)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:53:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get rid of Apparently To?
In-Reply-To: <14165.16232.539661.401543@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from Barry A. Warsaw on Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 10:27:52AM -0400
References: <19990601201357.48715@denver.net> <14165.16232.539661.401543@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19990602235359.A802008@gol.ad.jp>

Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us) wrote:
> >>>>> "JC" == John-David Childs <jdc at nterprise.net> writes:
>     JC> My boss just sent out a notice to our customer list using
>     JC> mailman 1.0rc1 and wrote "this new list software sucks"
>     JC> because it included an "apparently-to:" line for each of our
>     JC> customers in the header.
 
> It's not Mailman putting those headers in; must be your MTA.
> E.g. Take a look at your message to this list!
 
	in your sendmail.mc (cf)

define(`confNO_RCPT_ACTION',`add-apparently-to')dnl

	will do that.

	I use postfix now though.

	P

-- 
My words, my mail, my meaning. 



From root at safineh.net  Wed Jun  2 17:16:36 1999
From: root at safineh.net (Mohammad K. Ghanbari)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:46:36 +0430 (IRST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT Plz.
In-Reply-To: <199906021511.LAA03231@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9906021944170.13540-100000@www.safineh.net>

Hi,

I installed mailman under a redhat linux 5.1, I can do everything (run its
cgi, add group and ...), but I don;t know what shoudl I do for mail
aliasing. U can check my mailman at

	www.safineh.net/~mailman/

I can't do subscribe/unsubscribe or other operations via mail.
any idea? 

-- Best wishes,
   Mohammad K. Ghanbari
   SAFINEH System Adm.
  
   webmaster at safineh.net
   ICQ# 27686386





From trevor at jpj.net  Wed Jun  2 18:12:28 1999
From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:12:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <19990601180445.3447.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990602121118.7835J-100000@blues.jpj.net>

>  "You don't have permission to access
> /pipermail/sme/1999-May.txt.gz on this server."

Check the permissions on the file, and on the directories in its path.
Make sure they're accessible to whatever user your httpd runs as.
__
Trevor Johnson




From bryner at uiuc.edu  Wed Jun  2 19:16:26 1999
From: bryner at uiuc.edu (Brian Ryner)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:16:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages sent
Message-ID: <375566EA.268A8DFC@uiuc.edu>

I've never had this happen before but it happened this morning.  A
message was sent to the mailing list, and many people on the list got
the message twice (but not everyone).  I'm suspecting something gone
wrong in the dividing up of the mail into batches.  The system is
running Slackware 3.2, Mailman 1.0rc1, Python 1.51. Has anyone ever seen
anything like this?

I have a complete log of the mailing.... I'm not going to post it
because of the number of email addresses involved, but if there's
anything I should look for, please let me know.  I noticed this:

Jun  2 10:33:34 monm sendmail[15959]: KAA15959:
from=<list-admin at host.com>, size=3445, class=-60, pri=3141445,
nrcpts=101, msgid=<199906021510.KAA15936 at host.com>, proto=ESMTP,
relay=bin at localhost [127.0.0.1]
Jun  2 10:33:34 monm sendmail[15974]: KAA15974:
from=<list-admin at host.com>, size=3445, class=-60, pri=3141445,
nrcpts=101, msgid=<199906021510.KAA15936 at host.com>, proto=ESMTP,
relay=mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]
Jun  2 10:36:13 host sendmail[15993]: KAA15959:
to=<user1 at domain1>,<user2 at domain1>, ....
....
Jun  2 10:41:24 host sendmail[15994]: KAA15974:
to=<user1 at domain1>,<user2 at domain1>, ....

This is just an example, there were more smtp id's.  I noticed that the
first line has relay=bin at localhost; the second has mailman at localhost...
is that anything to worry about? I'm not an expert on sendmail, so any
advice is appreciated.

Thanks.

-Brian Ryner
bryner at uiuc.edu



From bryner at uiuc.edu  Wed Jun  2 19:24:14 1999
From: bryner at uiuc.edu (Brian Ryner)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: duplicate messages sent
Message-ID: <375568BE.34C9F934@uiuc.edu>

Oops, never mind that two of the log lines say "monm" and two say
"host"... I was trying to change the host/domain references and missed a
couple.

-Brian Ryner
bryner at uiuc.edu



From claw at varesearch.com  Wed Jun  2 19:42:25 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:42:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get rid of Apparently To? 
In-Reply-To: Message from John-David Childs <jdc@nterprise.net> 
   of "Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:13:57 MDT." <19990601201357.48715@denver.net> 
Message-ID: <E10pF22-000537-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:13:57 -0600 
John-David Childs <jdc at nterprise.net> wrote:

> My boss just sent out a notice to our customer list using mailman
> 1.0rc1 and wrote "this new list software sucks" because it
> included an "apparently-to:" line for each of our customers in the
> header.  

Your MTA is doing this, not MailMan.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun  2 20:41:43 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 02 Jun 1999 20:41:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions Problems Subscribing Users
In-Reply-To: Terrence Martin's message of "Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:21:22 -0700"
References: <01be7666$11040350$1c7001c4@ntserver.sld.cu> <36F9E3F2.A9181DB0@cal.montage.ca>
Message-ID: <d6d3e0a8mxk.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Trying to catch up on old Mailman-Users mail...]

[Terrence Martin]

> > >Traceback (innermost last):
> > >  File "/var/spool/mailman/scripts/driver", line 102, in run_main
> > >    main()
> > >  File "/var/spool/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 161, in main
> > >    list.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
> > >  File "/var/spool/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785, in AddMember
> > >    cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
> > >  File "/var/spool/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 74, in new
> > >    self.__save(db)
> > >  File "/var/spool/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 111, in __save
> > >    fp = open(self.db_path, "w")
> > >IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')
> > 
> > look that it is a write permission!!!! take a look to where self.db_path
> > variable are pointing...
> 
> I actually tried to do that but not being completely familiar with
> python I soon lost where Pending.py was trying to do.

The file Pending.py is trying to create, is (probably) called

  /var/spool/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db

on your system.

>  I gathered that it might have some to do with the lock files...

No.

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun  2 21:00:53 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 02 Jun 1999 21:00:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird Configuration Error
In-Reply-To: John Rizzo's message of "Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:13:05 -0500 (EST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990325080512.27718D-100000@acm.njit.edu>
Message-ID: <d6dyai277h6.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[John Rizzo]

> One thing do I have to worry about group privleges or something like that
> and if so what?

Whenever a Mailman script needs special access privileges to some
Mailman file, this is done by a setGID (not setUID) wrapper.  So yes,
you need to worry about group privileges.

I don't think there is a "fix Mailman's permissions" script -- yet.

You could try doing

  # chown -R mailman.mailman /usr/lib/mailman
  # chmod -R ug+rw,o-w /usr/lib/mailman
  # find /usr/lib/mailman -type d | xargs chmod 2775

as a crude maybe-fix, bandaid-hack -- if you're _really_ desperate.

Someone _really_ should try writing that permission fixer script...
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun  2 21:10:11 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 02 Jun 1999 21:10:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: Jose Travieso's message of "Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:26:46 -0500"
References: <99032506305602.19535@vulcansys>
Message-ID: <d6dvhd6771o.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Jose Travieso]

> Ive looked thru the web interface options and have not seen any
> options for what i need done. I need to make the list send an
> email message like this:
> 
> Example: "TO: someone at someplace.com FROM: mylist at listhost..com 
> To make the e-mail message look like if it was specifically written
> for them. Not like:
> 
> Example: "TO: mylist at listhost.com FROM: mylist at listhost.com"

Sorry, but as that wouldn't scale very well (i.e. Mailman would have
to submit one new message to the MTA per list member), there is no
such functionality in Mailman.

If someone wrote (clean, optionalized) code doing this, I suppose it
could be incorporated into Mailman proper -- but it is not currently
on the core developers' list of things that _needs_ to be done.

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun  2 21:12:07 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 02 Jun 1999 21:12:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-web interface?
In-Reply-To: Steve Dinn's message of "Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:48:14 -0400 (AST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9903251344340.11733-100000@spine.cx>
Message-ID: <d6dso8a76yg.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Steve Dinn]

> Is there a way to approve or deny a post by using a command line utility?

Well, you _could_ use the python interpreter... but no, there's no
"nice" command line interface to mailman.

However, you can send commands to the lists -request address.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun  2 21:38:03 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 02 Jun 1999 21:38:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] number of bounces
In-Reply-To: Boris Goldowsky's message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:12:59 -0500"
References: <81435F08832BD111844A006097BA97482292CB@banana.infoplease.com>
Message-ID: <d6dpv3e75r8.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Boris Goldowsky]

> How can one determine how many times mail to a user has bounced, and
> whatever other statistics mailman uses to decide whether to disable
> them?

  python -i bin/withlist LISTNAME
  Loading list: LISTNAME (unlocked)
  >>> m.bounce_info

The bounce_info "documentation" is in the comment above it's
initialization in in Mailman/Bouncer.py:

        # self.bounce_info registers observed bounce incidents.  It's a
        # dict mapping members addrs to a list:
        #  [
        #    time.time() of last bounce,
        #    post_id of first offending bounce in current sequence,
        #    post_id of last offending bounce in current sequence
        #  ]

Thus, the _total_ number of bounces for this address isn't recorded,
only the number of bounces in the "current sequence" -- which is given
by (last_post_id + 1 - first_post_id).

HTH,
-- 
Harald



From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Wed Jun  2 21:40:03 1999
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:40:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] oddness - please help
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021534520.13830-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Apparently totally out of the blue, our installation stopped working.
There are only 2 of us with root, and neither of us have touched anything.
All of sudden, mail sent to any of the lists disappears into a black
hole, and any attempts to access a mailman-generated page returns Internal
Server Error (500).  I thought maybe whatever it is might clear up by just
doing an upgrade from b11 --> rc1...but even that has issues, as running
configure dies like this:

checking for mailman UID... cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory

configure: error: 
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined (usually
***** in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL file
***** file details.

However, there _is_ a mailman user...I mean, we've been running mailman
for months and months, and yes, there is an entry for it in /etc/passwd.
Any idea what's causing any of this?

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				      reliability of friends." 
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From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Wed Jun  2 21:55:58 1999
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:55:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] oddness - please help
In-Reply-To: <37558B9D.3EDEBBA7@psychosis.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021554180.13845-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

> Yesterday was the 1st...did cron.monthly run something that changed permission,
> etc?

No...and I checked that the permissions are right.  I did, however, just
find out that the machine crashed for an as-of-yet-unknown reason early
this morning.  We're not sure what it could be (the other guy thinks maybe
the new 2.2 DoS in some fashion).

CJK




From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Wed Jun  2 22:10:47 1999
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:10:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] REALLY WEIRD
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021607550.16288-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Ok, in response to my previous messages from a few minutes ago...it
started working again! (I knew when I got a message from one of the lists
I run...so I then sent out a test message to another list, and that made
it out...AND now I got a listinfo page to work).  The bizzare thing is
that we haven't touched anything..the only thing that went on in the
interim was the other guy running Tripwire to check for funny business.. 

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				      reliability of friends." 
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From listadm at metaphor.unh.edu  Wed Jun  2 22:12:08 1999
From: listadm at metaphor.unh.edu (The List Server Administrator at UNH)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:12:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What "To:" address to use on a posting (was Re: help)
In-Reply-To: <d6dvhd6771o.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.02.9906021554220.30421-100000@metaphor.unh.edu>

   Jose Travieso recently asked if Mailman could do the following:

> ... I need to make the list send an email message like this:
>
> Example: "TO: someone at someplace.com FROM: mylist at listhost..com 
>
> To make the e-mail message look like if it was specifically written
> for them.

    Interesting.  I've always thought it was a good feature of MLMs
    like Mailman and ListProc that it used the list name for the TO:
    in order to make it clear that the message was *not* sent to 
    the subscriber personally but as part of a list distribution.
    I suppose there are situations where you might want to have 
    the fiction that it was sent directly to the subscriber, as with
    a form letter.  Although nobody is fooled by paper form letters
    so I don't think many will be fooled by an electronic version.

  The inimitable Harald replied

> Sorry, but as that wouldn't scale very well (i.e. Mailman would have
> to submit one new message to the MTA per list member), there is no
> such functionality in Mailman.

    I would have agreed.  Which is why I was surprised to receive a
    posting from what I assume was a *very* large commercial list that
    actually had a bit of customization in the copy of the particular
    message I received.  At the very bottom of the message was a
    notation as to the actual subscriber address that that particular
    copy of the message had been sent to. 

    While I would expect this little trick to be expensive in terms of
    processing time, and mailer overhead, I would think this would be
    an invaluable feature when faced with that most vexing of
    problems:

    A subscriber that complains about being on your list, but you
    can't find their return address anywhere on it.  This is often
    caused by forwarding being done from an old account that was used
    for the original subscription.  Worse still is when the old
    forwarding mechanism forwards to a recycled address on the target
    machine.  The new account owner has no idea why they are receiving
    the postings and of course would not know about the forwarding
    being done on behalf of that account's former owner!  A similar
    problem occurs when the final destination of the forwarding goes
    bad.  You get bounces but often the necessary information for
    tracing the route back gets lost so you have no idea which
    subscriber address to remove.

    Ain't lists fun?

                                           Cordially,
                                           The List Server Admin
                                           list.admin at unh.edu
                                           (currently Bill Costa)




From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Wed Jun  2 22:14:09 1999
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umm, strange... (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021613380.16288-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Tripwire reported the below as the only changes...odd?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:10:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Lipcon <slipcon at chimera.acm.jhu.edu>
To: Corbett J. Klempay <cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu>
Subject: umm, strange...

this is the only thing out of the ordinary in the intrusion detection
output:

changed: -rwxr-xr-x root       425684 Apr 18 10:05:40 1999 /usr/bin/python1.5
changed: -rwxr-xr-x root       425684 Apr 18 10:05:40 1999 /usr/bin/python

Any idea what could have caused that?  

Can you go grab the rpm from somewhere safe and reinstall it, just to be
sure?

Scott





From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Wed Jun  2 22:38:05 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:38:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] oddness - please help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021554180.13845-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990602223805.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

On 02-Jun-99 Corbett J. Klempay wrote:
> No...and I checked that the permissions are right.  I did, however, just
> find out that the machine crashed for an as-of-yet-unknown reason early
> this morning. 

your config.db could me corrupted -- i had that 2 times after some serious crashes 
(don't ask) ... try making a backup copy of it and then replace it with config.db.last
in ~mailman/lists/listname

Ricardo.
--



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun  2 23:20:39 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 02 Jun 1999 23:20:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT Plz.
In-Reply-To: "Mohammad K. Ghanbari"'s message of "Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:46:36 +0430 (IRST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9906021944170.13540-100000@www.safineh.net>
Message-ID: <d6d3e0a7108.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Mohammad K. Ghanbari]

> I installed mailman under a redhat linux 5.1, I can do everything (run its
> cgi, add group and ...), but I don;t know what shoudl I do for mail
> aliasing.

The installation of the actual mail aliases to make the connection
between certain email addresses and the running of the Mailman mail
scripts is highly dependant on what MTA you are using.

>From the INSTALL file:

    - Add aliases for `mailman' and `owner-mailman' to the system's
      mail alias database.  These aliases should point to whoever is
      ultimately responsible for the Mailman installation.  Here are
      instructions for those running sendmail:

          1. su to root.
          2. Assuming your email is fred at flintstone.com, add the following
             lines to the file /etc/aliases:
 
             mailman: fred at flintstone.com
             mailman-owner: mailman

          3. Some versions of sendmail require you to run the program
             'newaliases' explicitly.

      If you don't run sendmail, consult the documentation of your
      mail transport program for information on adding these aliases.
[...]
5. Getting started

    - Create a list named `test'.  To do so, run the program
      $prefix/bin/newlist.  You will be prompted for the name of the
      list, as well as the email address of the person running the
      list.  Put your own email address as the list administrator's
      address.
       
    - Running newlist will generate a list of aliases that must be
      added to the system.  If you are running Sendmail, you may add
      the lines output directly to the file /etc/aliases.  You may
      need to run the command 'newaliases' (all as root).  Now the
      mailing address for your list as well as its administrative
      addresses will be set up.  If you are not running Sendmail,
      consult your MTA's documentation for information on adding
      aliases.

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Thu Jun  3 00:29:12 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 03 Jun 1999 00:29:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages sent
References: <375566EA.268A8DFC@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <d6dwvxm5j9j.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Brian Ryner]

> I've never had this happen before but it happened this morning.  A
> message was sent to the mailing list, and many people on the list got
> the message twice (but not everyone).  I'm suspecting something gone
> wrong in the dividing up of the mail into batches.  The system is
> running Slackware 3.2, Mailman 1.0rc1, Python 1.51. Has anyone ever seen
> anything like this?
> 
> I have a complete log of the mailing.... I'm not going to post it
> because of the number of email addresses involved, but if there's
> anything I should look for, please let me know.  I noticed this:
> 
> Jun  2 10:33:34 monm sendmail[15959]: KAA15959:
> from=<list-admin at host.com>, size=3445, class=-60, pri=3141445,
> nrcpts=101, msgid=<199906021510.KAA15936 at host.com>, proto=ESMTP,
> relay=bin at localhost [127.0.0.1]
> Jun  2 10:33:34 monm sendmail[15974]: KAA15974:
> from=<list-admin at host.com>, size=3445, class=-60, pri=3141445,
> nrcpts=101, msgid=<199906021510.KAA15936 at host.com>, proto=ESMTP,
> relay=mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]
> Jun  2 10:36:13 host sendmail[15993]: KAA15959:
> to=<user1 at domain1>,<user2 at domain1>, ....
> ....
> Jun  2 10:41:24 host sendmail[15994]: KAA15974:
> to=<user1 at domain1>,<user2 at domain1>, ....
> 
> This is just an example, there were more smtp id's.  I noticed that the
> first line has relay=bin at localhost; the second has mailman at localhost...
> is that anything to worry about?

Yes, I think it is.

I guess that the bin at localhost line is the one triggered directly from
the /etc/aliases pipe command, and that the mailman at localhost one are
due to some cron-started queue runner.  The reasoning behind this
guesswork is that Mailman never does any setuid() call, so a change
from user "bin" to user "mailman" is ... not expected, at the very
least :)

Of course, these two delivery processes should _never_ interfer with
each other -- and from my reading of the source, I can't understand
why they would.  This is how it all goes:

The pipe command:
=================

  The actual delivery is done by the script scripts/contact_transport
  by doing OutgoingQueue.enqueueMessage() for each chunk of addresses,
  and then calling Utils.TrySMTPDelivery() on the enqueued files.

  enqueueMessage() creates a spool file in ~mailman/data/, with the
  setuid bit set to indicate that this is not yet a "deferred" spool
  file.

  TrySMTPDelivery() tries to contact the SMTP server.  On success, the
  message is delivered to the appropriate chunk of members, and the
  queue file is deleted.  On failure, the queue file's setuid bit is
  cleared (indicating to the next cron queue runner that the file is
  not in the middle of a "pipe command" delivery).

The cron queue runner:
======================

  cron/run_queue simply calls OutgoingQueue.processQueue().
  processQueue gets the cron queue runner global lock, and then
  iterates through all files in ~mailman/data/ looking for filenames
  matching the spoolfile naming convention (enforced by
  enqueueMessage()).

  Whenever a matching filename is found, it is stat()ed and further
  checking is done: If the file 
   1. Is not deferred (i.e. has the setuid bit set)
  and
   2. Has a ctime not older than two hours.
  then the file is skipped.

  If the file isn't skipped, Utils.TrySMTPDelivery() is called on it.

So, unless you have other factors (i.e. some mechanism clearing setuid
bits on "unknown" files, or a not very stable system clock, or some
other factor out of Mailman's reach) messing up this intricate
communication, I can't see how the problem you describe could have
occured... but if someone does, please let me know.
-- 
Harald



From bryner at students.uiuc.edu  Thu Jun  3 00:39:24 1999
From: bryner at students.uiuc.edu (Brian Ryner)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:39:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages sent
In-Reply-To: <d6dwvxm5j9j.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990602173656.27687A-100000@ux11.cso.uiuc.edu>

Just to throw out another idea, the system is running Sendmail 8.8.5....
does anyone know of any bugs that could trigger this in that version?

On 3 Jun 1999, Harald Meland wrote:

> So, unless you have other factors (i.e. some mechanism clearing setuid
> bits on "unknown" files, or a not very stable system clock, or some
> other factor out of Mailman's reach) messing up this intricate
> communication, I can't see how the problem you describe could have
> occured... but if someone does, please let me know.
> -- 
> Harald
> 




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Thu Jun  3 00:40:00 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 03 Jun 1999 00:40:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help w/RH 6.0, sendmail 8.9.3 and mailman rc1
In-Reply-To: Jerry Adlersfluegel's message of "Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:02:37 -0500 (CDT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906012257470.6324-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>
Message-ID: <d6du2sq5irj.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Jerry Adlersfluegel]

> I have moved my installation to a different machine, and have
> installed mailman 1.0rc1. I have created a list and can send mail to
> myself via the list, but not to anyone else. I keep seeing a
> "relaying denied" in the maillog.

Are there any interesting entries in logs/smtp-failures?

> I am able to relay from the localhost, and from other machines on my
> 192.168 network.

You can see what server/interface Mailman connects to with this
command:

  python -c 'from Mailman import mm_cfg;print mm_cfg.SMTPHOST'

Are you able to send mail from e.g. "LISTNAME-admin at your.rh6_0.box" to
one of the addresses Mailman won't send to if you do a "telnet
SMTPHOST smtp" and give it SMTP commands?  If not, then yes, this is
an MTA problem.

-- 
Harald



From bryner at uiuc.edu  Thu Jun  3 01:08:21 1999
From: bryner at uiuc.edu (Brian Ryner)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:08:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages sent
References: <375566EA.268A8DFC@uiuc.edu> <d6dwvxm5j9j.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <3755B965.8B54A850@uiuc.edu>

Maybe a bit of time information would help...

The cron queue runner runs at 12 and 42 minutes after the hour.  The
message was sent at 10:10, but the first relay=mailman at localhost entry
doesn't show up until 10:33 (at the same time as a bin at localhost
entry).  There are some other deliveries to the list between those two,
and none of those were duplicated.  There are some other list deliveries
just a few seconds after the first relay=mailman at localhost, which are
not duplicated.  It would appear that all of the list deliveries after
that are duplicated.  And, I think I mentioned this before, but the two
copies of the message always seem to be delivered by different sendmail
processes (although I haven't gone through verifying that for each
address).

Perhaps someone can put all of this together.

Another thing I probably should mention is that awhile back I messed up
the permissions on the mailman stuff.  I'm pretty sure I got them all
changed back correctly, but is there some way for that to be incorrect
and cause this sort of thing?

Harald Meland wrote:
> 
> Of course, these two delivery processes should _never_ interfer with
> each other -- and from my reading of the source, I can't understand
> why they would.  This is how it all goes:
>



From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Thu Jun  3 02:01:27 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:01:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help w/RH 6.0 -- stupid admin tricks...
In-Reply-To: <d6du2sq5irj.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021818030.7444-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On 3 Jun 1999, Harald Meland wrote:

> Are you able to send mail from e.g. "LISTNAME-admin at your.rh6_0.box" to
> one of the addresses Mailman won't send to if you do a "telnet
> SMTPHOST smtp" and give it SMTP commands?  If not, then yes, this is
> an MTA problem.

No, I get a "Relaying denied" when I try that. I get the same result when
I try to send from my own name using that method. I can send a message
using mail(1) or pine (I'm writing this message here right now). I can
even send mail from my Mac, using this machine as my SMTP host. 

So, it is a sendmail config problem.

                           UPDATE

I added my internal IP address (192.168.1.1) to the allowable relay hosts,
and it works now. 

[This system is connected via ppp, and also has an eth network. Somehow I
botched up the network config.]

Thanks!

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel





From linnkarik at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 06:23:04 1999
From: linnkarik at yahoo.com (Me)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:23:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <19990603042304.22045.rocketmail@web106.yahoomail.com>

Assuming that I installed everything correctly,
the file permissions should be handled by mailman
itself w/o any problems, right?

Anyway,
I manually did this (chmod *.txt.gz in
$prefix/archives/public/<list> ) ... works ok ..
till somebody posts the next message .. where
Mailman chmod 600 the file :( 

What am I doing wrong here?

I am using Redhat 6.0, users' umask is 022 and I
didn't install as root.

Thanks

Feisal Umar
afu at altek.com.my

PS: my installation of mailman can be viewed at
http://listserv.mysmac.com/

--- Trevor Johnson <trevor at jpj.net> wrote:
> >  "You don't have permission to access
> > /pipermail/sme/1999-May.txt.gz on this
> server."
> 
> Check the permissions on the file, and on the
> directories in its path.
> Make sure they're accessible to whatever user
> your httpd runs as.
> __
> Trevor Johnson
> 
> 

_________________________________________________________
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From nate at natetech.com  Thu Jun  3 08:25:11 1999
From: nate at natetech.com (Nate Duehr)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:25:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate Messages Sent
References: <199906022239.SAA14477@python.org>
Message-ID: <37561FC7.613B6962@natetech.com>

Brian, 

I had complaints about something similar this month during the monthly
mailing of the "password reminder" messages.  A few users contacted me
saying that they'd received more than one reminder, and since the
reminders are rather annoying anyway, they were doubly annoyed.

I'm not a "Python-head", so I really don't have much of a clue as to
what investigation would need to be done to hunt this one down.

I'm running an older version of Mailman which so far has not caused me
any other problems at all on a Debian system.  At least that I know
about, anyway...!

--
Nathan N. Duehr, nate at natetech.com

> From: Brian Ryner <bryner at uiuc.edu>
>
> I've never had this happen before but it happened this morning.  A
> message was sent to the mailing list, and many people on the list got
> the message twice (but not everyone).  I'm suspecting something gone
> wrong in the dividing up of the mail into batches.  The system is
> running Slackware 3.2, Mailman 1.0rc1, Python 1.51. Has anyone ever seen
> anything like this?



From riaan at etravel.co.za  Thu Jun  3 09:33:38 1999
From: riaan at etravel.co.za (Riaan at eTravel)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:33:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
Message-ID: <01BEADA4.2903A8A0.riaan@etravel.co.za>

Hi all

Sorry about this newbie question, but now that I have downloaded and 
installed the GNU software, what do I do with the mailman_tar.gz file? 
 WINZIP is asking me for the correct extension of the file I want to unzip. 
If I try .exe, it does not work......

I am trying to install on NT server 4.

Appreciate the help,

Riaan


-------------------------
Riaan van Schoor
IT Manager
eTravel (PTY) Ltd
Johannesburg,  South Africa
(011) 880 8800
--------------------------




From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Thu Jun  3 15:37:18 1999
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:37:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I change a user's password for him?
In-Reply-To: <199906030503.BAA22318@python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990603082034.027d98d0@cs.uchicago.edu>

A subscriber tells me that the password generated for him is not working as 
the "old password" entry in the change-password section, and indeed it 
doesn't work when I go to his config page and try it.  He sent it to me in 
what looked like an excerpt from the message sent to him from the "Email my 
password to me" button.  It also doesn't work for viewing the list's 
private archive as him.

If this were his general login password, I would offer to change it for 
him.  Is there something analogous I can do for his list subscriber 
password?  For that matter, is it correct that, like system passwords, 
these are in one-way encryption?  Or on the contrary, is there a way (as 
root or mailman) to go in and read it from a file, or maybe even alter it 
in a text file?

Thanks,
Mitch Marks

P.S. As I'm currently a "digested member" of this list, I'd appreciate it 
if any responses were cc:ed to me directly (mitchell at cuip.uchicago.edu), 
instead of only to the list..





From mmar at midway.uchicago.edu  Thu Jun  3 15:51:54 1999
From: mmar at midway.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:51:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wait wait, don't tell me!   (was Re: Can I change a user's
 password for him?)
  password for him?)
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990603082034.027d98d0@cs.uchicago.edu>
References: <199906030503.BAA22318@python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990603084630.01d49860@cs.uchicago.edu>

Okay, I did figure out something: use the mailman sitepass in the "old 
password" space.  It then accepted the change.

I'd still be interested in hearing about access through the filesystem or a 
program.  BTW, where would be the best place to look for documentation on 
the programs in bin?  Like, which are intended for use from the command 
line, syntax, and what they do?

Thanks,

Mitch Marks


At 08:37 AM 6/3/99 , Mitchell Marks wrote:
>A subscriber tells me that the password generated for him is not working 
>as the "old password" entry in the change-password section, and indeed it 
>doesn't work when I go to his config page and try it.  He sent it to me in 
>what looked like an excerpt from the message sent to him from the "Email 
>my password to me" button.  It also doesn't work for viewing the list's 
>private archive as him.
>
>If this were his general login password, I would offer to change it for 
>him.  Is there something analogous I can do for his list subscriber 
>password?  For that matter, is it correct that, like system passwords, 
>these are in one-way encryption?  Or on the contrary, is there a way (as 
>root or mailman) to go in and read it from a file, or maybe even alter it 
>in a text file?
>
>Thanks,
>Mitch Marks
>
>P.S. As I'm currently a "digested member" of this list, I'd appreciate it 
>if any responses were cc:ed to me directly (mitchell at cuip.uchicago.edu), 
>instead of only to the list..


Mitchell Marks                          (773) 702-6041 AAC-010A
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
http://cuip.uchicago.edu/cuip
Quick quiz: Do "Border Collie" and "Border Ballad" refer to the same border?




From nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu  Thu Jun  3 16:50:43 1999
From: nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu (Nicholas Brenckle)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:50:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different archive engine
Message-ID: <37569643.BDEDCA7F@yale.edu>

Does anyone have the setup for working with a different archive engine?
Pipermail works fine for listing but it doesnt offer any searching
capabilities.

-Nick

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Nicholas Brenckle                   Yale University School of Medicine
nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu                     ITS Med - PO Box 208089
203-737-2377                                  New Haven, CT 06520-8089





From garyc at cdnow.com  Thu Jun  3 16:48:15 1999
From: garyc at cdnow.com (Gary Coulbourne)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:48:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange intermittent problem: [Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
 (fwd)\]
 (fwd)\]
Message-ID: <375695AF.F7AAA463@cdnow.com>

Occasionally, I get the following error from one of our high traffic
lists.  It seems to
ignore that one of our lists exists, and bounces the mail.  Any ideas?
It only happens to about
one out of 3000 messages.

>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/cdnow/mailman/mail/wrapper post sysadmin"
>     (expanded from: sysadmin)

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/cdnow/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
>   File "/home/cdnow/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 55, in __init__
>     raise Errors.MMUnknownListError, 'list not found: %s' % name
> MMUnknownListError: list not found: sysadmin
> 554 "|/home/cdnow/mailman/mail/wrapper post sysadmin"... unknown
mailer error 1

Cheers,
Gary




From dan at dpcsys.com  Thu Jun  3 17:44:52 1999
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:44:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I change a user's password for him?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990603082034.027d98d0@cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990603084325.16875B-100000@java.dpcsys.com>

On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Mitchell Marks wrote:
> A subscriber tells me that the password generated for him is not working as 
> the "old password" entry in the change-password section, and indeed it 
> doesn't work when I go to his config page and try it.  He sent it to me in 
> what looked like an excerpt from the message sent to him from the "Email my 
> password to me" button.  It also doesn't work for viewing the list's 
> private archive as him.
> 
> If this were his general login password, I would offer to change it for 
> him.  Is there something analogous I can do for his list subscriber 
> password?  For that matter, is it correct that, like system passwords, 
> these are in one-way encryption?  Or on the contrary, is there a way (as 
> root or mailman) to go in and read it from a file, or maybe even alter it 
> in a text file?

Try using the list admin's password as the OLD password
I haven't looked at the code but this works for unsubscribes.

Dan
-- 
 Dan Busarow                                                  949 443 4172
 Dana Point Communications, Inc.                            dan at dpcsys.com
 Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Jun  3 18:39:49 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:39:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] oddness - please help
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906021534520.13830-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <14166.45013.528799.262679@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "CJK" == Corbett J Klempay <cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu> writes:

    CJK> as running configure dies like this:

    CJK> checking for mailman UID... cat: conftest.out: No such file
    CJK> or directory

    CJK> configure: error: ***** No "mailman" user found!  ***** Your
    CJK> system must have a "mailman" user defined (usually ***** in
    CJK> your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL file *****
    CJK> file details.

What does the following Python code output?

import pwd
print pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[0]

It ought to output "mailman".  That's what the configure test
essentially does.

Did you upgrade Python recently?  Could that install have gone wrong?
-Barry



From stingray at wizard.net  Fri Jun  4 00:02:51 1999
From: stingray at wizard.net (John C. Broman, Jr.)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:02:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I change a user's password for him?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990603084325.16875B-100000@java.dpcsys.com>
References: <4.2.0.56.19990603082034.027d98d0@cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990603180251.00928100@mail.wizard.net>

At 08:44 AM 6/3/99 -0700, Dan Busarow wrote:

>Try using the list admin's password as the OLD password
>I haven't looked at the code but this works for unsubscribes.

I'm using 1.0b9 (my ISP won't easily upgrade) and some members "lack a
password" due to an earlier Mailman bug.  Can I use my admin password to go
in there and assign a password for them so they can access their settings?

John Broman



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Jun  4 00:10:13 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 18:10:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I change a user's password for him?
References: <4.2.0.56.19990603082034.027d98d0@cs.uchicago.edu>
	<3.0.1.32.19990603180251.00928100@mail.wizard.net>
Message-ID: <14166.64837.55989.238147@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JCBJ" == John C Broman, Jr <stingray at wizard.net> writes:

    JCBJ> I'm using 1.0b9 (my ISP won't easily upgrade) and some
    JCBJ> members "lack a password" due to an earlier Mailman bug.
    JCBJ> Can I use my admin password to go in there and assign a
    JCBJ> password for them so they can access their settings?

This won't do what you want.  The problem isn't that the users lack a
password -- they probably do have one.  If its the bug I'm thinking
about, it was that Mailman couldn't find the passwords for users who
had subscribed with mixed case username parts.  For this, AFAIK, the
only remedy is upgrading.

-Barry



From dan at dpcsys.com  Fri Jun  4 00:12:01 1999
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I change a user's password for him?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990603180251.00928100@mail.wizard.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990603151030.18320Q-100000@java.dpcsys.com>

On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, John C. Broman, Jr. wrote:
> At 08:44 AM 6/3/99 -0700, Dan Busarow wrote:
> >Try using the list admin's password as the OLD password
> >I haven't looked at the code but this works for unsubscribes.
> 
> I'm using 1.0b9 (my ISP won't easily upgrade) and some members "lack a
> password" due to an earlier Mailman bug.  Can I use my admin password to go
> in there and assign a password for them so they can access their settings?

Easiest way to check is to just try it :)

But if I remember correctly the unsub code checks for the admin password
before doing any other password checks so I think it should work.

Dan
-- 
 Dan Busarow                                                  949 443 4172
 Dana Point Communications, Inc.                            dan at dpcsys.com
 Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82




From jeffw at fatman.pro-libertate.com  Thu Jun  3 23:21:54 1999
From: jeffw at fatman.pro-libertate.com (Jeff Wallace)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 17:21:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compaq/DEC - True64 Problem
Message-ID: <37570002.620B6083@fatman.pro-libertate.com>

I all,

Wonder if anyone out there is runing mailman on a DEC Personal
Workstation
500AU. I have installed mailman and have a problem, hope someone can
assist:

It will receive mail and put it in the archive, but will not send it to
others
on the mailing list. The $prefix/mailman/logs/smtp-failures give the
following:

Jun 03 14:57:59 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To
['jeffw at fatman.pro-libertate.com']

socket.error / host not found (deferred)

This would be version 8 of sendmail,  4.0d of  the DEC O/S,  1.0rc1 of
mailman,
I compiled it with the starndard DEC c compiler, and used Python 1.5.2.

-jeffw






From richarde at eskom.co.za  Fri Jun  4 12:19:50 1999
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 12:19:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting subscriptions
Message-ID: <s757c46d.023@eskom.co.za>

Is there a way to limit the users that can subscribe to lists based on domain name. I know you can have confirmations on or off, but can I have confirm off for *.eskom.co.za and confirm on for anybody else that attempts to subscribe to a list. The reason that I want this is that I have a machine with both private and public (internet) lists and I do not want Internet users being able to subscribe to our intrenal lists. Making the lists hidden is also not an option as the users cannot see them on the web.


--
Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za




From afu at altek.com.my  Sat Jun  5 04:44:49 1999
From: afu at altek.com.my (Feisal Umar)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:44:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving Automatically
Message-ID: <37588F21.FFD250DB@altek.com.my>

Earlier I had a problem where whenever I tried to access the "Downloadable
version" version of my list's archive. (The xxx.txt.gz has permission 600)

I managed to fix it via manually running $prefix/bin/arch <listname>
archives/private/<list-name>.mbox/<list-name>.mbox

Shouldn't the bin/arch function be run automatically for each of my list?
My list works fine in all other aspect (fingers crossed) except for
'downloadable archive'.

Did I miss a step elsewhere? 

Thanks in advance 


-- 
Feisal Umar, Project Manager 
Huge, Friendly and Entertaining http://altavista.skali.com
Skali Multimedia Applications Centre http://www.altek.com.my/smac



From dcinege at psychosis.com  Sat Jun  5 00:09:47 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:09:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Too many open files' in run_queue
Message-ID: <37584EAB.E1579233@psychosis.com>

OK I'm further investigating my run_queue problems. The reason
it woudl just hang is there was a stale lock file.

If I clear the lock file I get:

Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/var/lib/mailman/logs/smtp-failures'>
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files')
Original log message:
(24, 'Too many open files')
Jun 04 18:06:49 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To patrickb at mamco-qaf.com:
Jun 04 18:06:49 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:    socket.error  / host not found 
(deferred)
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ?
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 120, in processQueue
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files') 


OK what's up?

-- 
http://www.linuxrouter.org/     Linux Router Project

Considering the country's population, of 230 million people, the U.S.
government agencies maintain an average of 15 files on every man, woman,
and child in this country.



From claw at varesearch.com  Sat Jun  5 03:39:41 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Too many open files' in run_queue 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Cinege <dcinege@psychosis.com> 
   of "Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:09:47 EDT." <37584EAB.E1579233@psychosis.com> 
Message-ID: <E10q5Qz-0003kZ-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:09:47 -0400 
Dave Cinege <dcinege at psychosis.com> wrote:

> OK I'm further investigating my run_queue problems. The reason it
> woudl just hang is there was a stale lock file.

Read ..../linux/Documentation/proc.txt for details on file handle
limits and how to change.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From starback at ling.uu.se  Sat Jun  5 17:48:07 1999
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: 05 Jun 1999 17:48:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved messages in wrong order
In-Reply-To: Dave Cinege's message of "Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:09:47 -0400"
Message-ID: <qzu2smk5s8.fsf@numerus.ling.uu.se>

It seems to me that approved messages are sent to the list in the
reverse order to that in which they came in when they are approved
at the same time.

It's not a big issue, but I think it would be nicer if they are sent
out in the same order as they are in the to-be-approved queue instead.

(version 1.0rc1)

-- 
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sat Jun  5 23:20:08 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 05 Jun 1999 23:20:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wait wait, don't tell me! (was Re: Can I change a user's password for him?) password for him?)
In-Reply-To: Mitchell Marks's message of "Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:51:54 -0500"
References: <199906030503.BAA22318@python.org> <4.2.0.56.19990603084630.01d49860@cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <d6demjqwdiv.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Mitchell Marks]

> I'd still be interested in hearing about access through the
> filesystem or a program.

To the best of my knowledge, there isn't a "convenient" command-line
interface for changing users passwords.

However, you can do it from the Python interpreter.  Each list's
configuration is saved as a "marshalled" Python dict, and in this dict
the key 'passwords' have as it's value a dict with lowercased member
addresses as keys and passwords (in clear text) as values.

> BTW, where would be the best place to look for documentation on the
> programs in bin?

Some of them support a "--help" option to print out some
documentation.

> Like, which are intended for use from the command line, syntax, and
> what they do?

I think _all_ of the programs installed in bin/ are intended to be
used from the command line.  And yes, better documentation for some of
them (i.e. those neither supporting --help nor being fairly obvious)
would indeed be a win...
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sat Jun  5 23:21:48 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 05 Jun 1999 23:21:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install question
In-Reply-To: Riaan's message of "Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:33:38 +0200"
References: <01BEADA4.2903A8A0.riaan@etravel.co.za>
Message-ID: <d6dbteuwdg3.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Riaan at eTravel]

> I am trying to install on NT server 4.

Sorry, Mailman isn't yet ported to work on non-UNIX systems.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sat Jun  5 23:32:25 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 05 Jun 1999 23:32:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives: not splitting at correct date
In-Reply-To: Christopher Schulte's message of "Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:37:20 -0500"
References: <4.1.19990601163248.00acfc70@pop.schulte.org>
Message-ID: <d6d909ywcye.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Christopher Schulte]

> For some reason the new JUNE archive started with messages that were posted
> at the end of May.

In the list's "Archival Options" page, what is the option

  Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been sent,
  or to the time we resend it?

set to?

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sat Jun  5 23:46:37 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 05 Jun 1999 23:46:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dropped SMTP Connections
In-Reply-To: Dave Cinege's message of "Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:32:57 -0400"
References: <4.2.0.56.19990602025937.0384b7f0@193.189.189.100> <3754B3F9.A6408660@psychosis.com>
Message-ID: <d6d6752wcaq.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Dave Cinege]

> Tomaz Borstnar wrote:
> > 
> > At 22:24 1.6.99 , Jerry Alexandratos wrote the following message:
> > >May 25 15:23:21 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
> > >Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / Connection
> > >unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)
> > >Any ideas what could be causing this and what I can do to fix it?

You should have a close look at what was going on in the panic, reject
and main Exim logs around that time.  Off the top of my head, I can't
think of any config option that will allow Exim to abort sessions
unexpectedly like this.

> I think I saw this too. (Though in eximon).
> I commented out: recipients_max = 15 and I *THINK* that is what stopped
> it.

Hopefully not -- that option will cause Exim to give 452 responses for
all recipients over the limit -- it won't cause Exim to disconnect.

Mailman dequeues messages that seem to generate serious problems for
the receiving MTA (which an unexpected disconnection certainly is an
indication of).  If Mailman dequeued the message due to getting 452
responses, that would be _very_ bad.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun  6 00:02:39 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 06 Jun 1999 00:02:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] run_queue just hangs...
In-Reply-To: Dave Cinege's message of "Mon, 31 May 1999 19:21:23 -0400"
References: <37531973.E769B3B4@psychosis.com>
Message-ID: <d6d3e06wbk0.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Dave Cinege]

> Mail man seems to be running OK now, but 'run_queue' does nothing but
> hang eveytime cron runs it. I woke up this morning a 'ps' tree full of them.
> 
> I can't find and error's directly and if I run it as the mailman user (list) it
> does nothing. The most I can get is this when I Ctrl-C out.
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ?
>     OutgoingQueue.processQueue()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 88, in processQueue
>     lock_file.lock()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 182, in lock
>     time.sleep(self.sleep_interval)
> KeyboardInterrupt
> 
> Eh? It's sleeping on a lock file??

Locking failed, so the module does a sleep() before trying to lock
again.

>From your signature, I guess you're running Linux, so you could try
"strace"ing run_queue to see what goes wrong with the locking.
-- 
Harald



From dcinege at psychosis.com  Sun Jun  6 04:03:44 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:03:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Too many open files' in run_queue
References: <E10q5Qz-0003kZ-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
Message-ID: <3759D700.E2E83BB6@psychosis.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:
> 
>
> Read ..../linux/Documentation/proc.txt for details on file handle
> limits and how to change.

Well the problem has since vanished. : P
At this point /proc/sys/fs/file-nr is showing ~1800 allocated and ~1300
inuse file handles. The machine has not been rebooted since the time I was
getting those error's, so ~1800 was the highest amount of handles ever reached.
(far short of the default 4096)

Kooky.

-- 
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Considering the country's population, of 230 million people, the U.S.
government agencies maintain an average of 15 files on every man, woman,
and child in this country.



From timberwolf at home.com  Mon Jun  7 15:00:58 1999
From: timberwolf at home.com (timberwolf at home.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:00:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail and Mailman Problem .. ugh
Message-ID: <19990607120120.PCLJ1126.mail.rdc1.ab.home.com@wolf>

Greetings .. i have a rather annoying problem...

I use Qmail 1.03 and it seems that any mails Mailman sends out 
repeat themselves to the point of 70 - 90 in a week .. as you can 
imagine .. its pissing off a few people..

Any ideas?

GW



From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Mon Jun  7 15:53:39 1999
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved messages in wrong order
In-Reply-To: <qzu2smk5s8.fsf@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <qzu2smk5s8.fsf@numerus.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <14171.52963.747042.767768@trooper.velocet.ca>

>>>>> "Per" == Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> writes:

Per> It seems to me that approved messages are sent to the list in the
Per> reverse order to that in which they came in when they are
Per> approved at the same time.

Per> It's not a big issue, but I think it would be nicer if they are
Per> sent out in the same order as they are in the to-be-approved
Per> queue instead.

This may entirely be due to your MTA, not mailman (although there may
be an interaction as well).  On Sendmail, the relavant option is
OHoldExpensive=true.  What happens is that your newly approved
messages get into the mail queue and are held... then when they
finally go, they go in reverse order simply due to mail queue
processing.

Dave.

-- 
============================================================================
|David Gilbert, Velocet Communications.       | Two things can only be     |
|Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if they |
|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.  |
=========================================================GLO================



From slawek at venus.icu.com.pl  Mon Jun  7 16:25:19 1999
From: slawek at venus.icu.com.pl (Slawomir Maksymilian Stuglik)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:25:19 +0200 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with setting-up - aliases....
Message-ID: <199906071425.QAA08379@venus.icu.com.pl>

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From bora at employees.org  Mon Jun  7 22:09:04 1999
From: bora at employees.org (Matthew Kaing)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:09:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail & Mailman
Message-ID: <001901beb121$97b066f0$9d1c47ab@cisco.com>

Hi, I like to know if Mailman and Qmail Mailing List works together.  If it
works, please tell me how to configure it.

Thanks,

Matthew Bora Kaing
Phone: 408-223-9528
Pager: 800-560-8114
Fax..: 603-687-0187




From sweilnau at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Jun  7 22:28:24 1999
From: sweilnau at cnri.reston.va.us (Stanley Weilnau)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:28:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Splitting mailman mail delivery from web server
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.05.9906071620360.275-100000@action-nt.cnri.reston.va.us>

I have a machine inside a firewall that is supporting my mail-lists.  I
would like to use mailman on it to support the lists.  However, I do not
want to install a web server on it.  I do have a web server outside the
firewall that I would like to support the mailman web interface.  

The only thought I have had to do this is to set up the mailman-request
aliases to point to the web server and then do a rsync to pull the data
mail-list data from the outside web server to the internal mail machine.

Are there any other solutions?  I looked at the archives but the only
solution I saw there was to run a web server on the internal machine and
have the primary web server point to it for the mailman pages.

Thanks,

Stanley Weilnau






From kevinsl at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 03:13:28 1999
From: kevinsl at yahoo.com (Kevin L)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with sendmail and wrapper
Message-ID: <19990608011328.19106.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com>

I have mailman set up and the web admin pages are working fine, plus I can
subscribe via the web and it sends a confirmation fine. But when I reply to
the confirmation I get an email back "Returned mail: Service Unavailable". It
contains this error:

sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2"... Service unavailable

And the following shows up in /var/log/maillog: (I've edited out the
hostnames)

Jun  7 12:07:42 xxxxxx sendmail[12106]: MAA12106: from=<xxxx at xxxx.com>,
size=1272, class=0, pri=31272, nrcpts=1, msgid=<Pine.LNX.4.10.99060712074
00.10527-100000 at xxxxxxxx.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=xxxxxxxx at localhost
Jun  7 12:07:42 xxxxxx smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper mailcmd test2
Jun  7 12:07:42 xxxxxx sendmail[12107]: MAA12106:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2", delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Service unavailable
Jun  7 12:07:42 xxxxxx sendmail[12107]: MAA12106: MAA12107: DSN: Service
unavailable
Jun  7 12:07:42 xxxxxx sendmail[12107]: MAA12107: to=<xxxxx at xxxxxxxx.com>,
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent

I also see that sendmail is using smrsh and I've copied the wrapper executable
into /usr/sbin (where smrsh is located) and get the same error.

This system is redhat 6.0.

Any ideas?

thanks

Kevin
_________________________________________________________
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From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Tue Jun  8 04:39:04 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:39:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with sendmail and wrapper
In-Reply-To: <19990608011328.19106.rocketmail@web129.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906072136420.31178-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Kevin L wrote:

> I also see that sendmail is using smrsh and I've copied the wrapper executable
> into /usr/sbin (where smrsh is located) and get the same error.
> 
> This system is redhat 6.0.

On my rh6.0 system, I made a link to the wrapper in /etc/smrsh like this:

ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/

Then it worked.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From trevor at jpj.net  Tue Jun  8 09:30:29 1999
From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:30:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Splitting mailman mail delivery from web server
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.05.9906071620360.275-100000@action-nt.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990608030621.13163A-100000@blues.jpj.net>

The rsync might work, but maybe instead of it you could use CODA
(http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/aboutcoda.html) to share files between the two
computers.  Perhaps you could use port forwarding to direct requests for
the SMTP port to the mail server, and HTTP requests to the web server.  I
wonder whether the HTTP server would be better behind your firewall, but
on a separate interface from the rest of your network. 
__
Trevor Johnson




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Tue Jun  8 10:03:13 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 03:03:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Splitting mailman mail delivery from web server
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990608030621.13163A-100000@blues.jpj.net> from "Trevor Johnson" at Jun 8, 99 03:30:29 am
Message-ID: <199906080803.DAA27114@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From bac at ivc.com  Tue Jun  8 13:07:45 1999
From: bac at ivc.com (Brad Crittenden)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:07:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Splitting mailman mail delivery from web server
In-Reply-To: <199906080803.DAA27114@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <000b01beb19f$22fd13c0$1464a8c0@sabine.ivc.com>

if the original poster is in a position to share file systems and uid/gid
mappings this will definitely work.  i recently set up our system in this
manner.  it was slightly complicated by the fact the mail server and web
server are hosted on different operating systems (linux and solaris,
respectively).  it was relatively simple to do a platform-dependent compile
for the two different pieces.

good luck.

--brad

-----
> An easier solution would be an NFS filesystem sharing files, and
> it's pretty easy to set up.  Take a look at
>
   http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-March/000772.html

The first two paragraphs are relevant.

Chris

P.S.  Sorry for responding to a response; I lost the original query.

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jli at smtp.pcexpress.se  Tue Jun  8 17:04:21 1999
From: jli at smtp.pcexpress.se (Johan Lindh)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:04:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: All passwords rejected
Message-ID: <199906081704210070.004A7CBA@smtp.pcexpress.se>

Hi.

I'm trying out mailman to see how it works, but I can't log in using the admin interface.
I've tried both the list password and the super-admin password, with the correct case =), and
both fail with the "Sorry, wrong password. Try again." message.

This is a first installation of mailman-1.0rc1.
Mailer is qmail.
Webserver is Apache 1.3.6.
System is a RedHat 5.1.
Python is 1.5.2.

The single problem I can think of is that there are two Pythons installed; 1.5.1 _and_ 1.5.2. 
The 1.5.1 is in RPM form, and came with RedHat, 1.5.2 is installed from sources.
1.5.2 is the Python that runs when I start it from the prompt.

Regards,

Johan Lindh
jli at smtp.pcexpress.se

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From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Tue Jun  8 22:14:13 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 22:14:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] performance again...
Message-ID: <XFMail.990608221413.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

well, it happened again last night that the system load jumped to abnormal levels 
on our server when some messages where being approved in admindb so I had to try 
to telnet to it again and issue a shutdown to the machine... It's getting really 
unworkable like this... :(
recently, one of the people who use the moderating page told me that she often
moderates by selecting several messages to approve on 1 page and then press the submit 
button (to be honest i didnt even know that was possible myself) -- i guess that's 
what can cause things going wrong: too many messages are being send at the same time
and mailman goes bezerk... does anybody have idea how i can fix this? or is this a bug
in mailman? i really need to fix it soon... there are other things running on that 
server too and it needs to be up 24h a day... if i happen to be online i usually fix 
it in 30-60 mins (telnetting to a server with 60+ systemload can take a while) but if 
i'm not around it can be down all night :(

Thanks,
Ricardo.
--



From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Wed Jun  9 16:25:42 1999
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:25:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-in-list inclusions, "mixed" lists
In-Reply-To: <199906090503.BAA08938@python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990609090320.00ae2cf0@cs.uchicago.edu>

For various reasons that I can't clean up, I have some lists that are 
"mixed", containing both individuals and other lists.  (Though not yet, 
when we're done migrating them they will all be under Mailman and on the 
same host.)

The interesting settings about sending password reminders to "-owner" 
addresses instead of unmodified member addresses seem very useful for 
*completely* umbrella lists, whose members are only other lists.  But I 
didn't see a way to selectively mark members one way or the other.  Any 
suggestions?  (Or can this go under "enhancement requests"?)  Actually, 
what would work best for me would be a member-by-member option (a column on 
the "Membership Management" admin page grid, for instance) to suppress the 
monthly password reminder mailings.

Another matter that comes up in list-in-list contexts is a stacking-up of 
inserted list identifiers in the Subject header of replies.  Like ---

	Subject: Re: [List 1] [List 2] Re [List 2] [List 1] Re [List 1] 
[List2]  The Original Topic

One thing that makes me very happy with Mailman is the nice trimming done 
on those things when replies are going on in *one* list.  Any ideas on how 
to clean things up for this relayed situation?  (Apart from ... no, I mean 
"along with" ... encouraging people to edit their Subjects themselves.)

Thanks,

Mitch Marks

--
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CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
http://cuip.uchicago.edu
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From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Wed Jun  9 16:34:22 1999
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:34:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion: issuing an "Invitation" to subscribe
In-Reply-To: <199906090503.BAA08938@python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990609092848.01cd92e0@cs.uchicago.edu>

As an alternative to the "batch subscribe" offered on the membership 
management page, this would send a message to each address entered, with 
the list description material, but instead of "You have been subscribed" 
and a generated password, something to the effect of "You are invited to 
subscribe" and the general membership URL.

Mitch Marks


--
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CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
http://cuip.uchicago.edu
Quick quiz: Do "Border Collie" and "Border Ballad" refer to the same border?




From jmedina at medialab.com.mx  Wed Jun  9 17:30:20 1999
From: jmedina at medialab.com.mx (Juan Hector Medina)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 10:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavaiable
Message-ID: <375E888C.64A3E989@medialab.com.mx>

Any of you know this problem?

Jun  9 10:26:39 Matrix sendmail[9298]: KAB09298:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrappe$
Jun  9 10:26:39 Matrix sendmail[9298]: KAB09298: KAC09298: return to
sender:  Service unavailable
Jun  9 10:26:39 Matrix sendmail[9298]: KAC09298: to=root,
delay=00:00:00, xdela$

Sendmail8.9.3
Redhat 6.0/Intel


on the root mail:


   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
    (expanded from: test-admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... Service unavailable

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; Matrix.medialab.com.mx
Arrival-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:26:39 -0500

thankyou!




From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Wed Jun  9 18:08:27 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:08:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Service Unavaiable
In-Reply-To: <375E888C.64A3E989@medialab.com.mx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906091102210.7562-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Juan Hector Medina wrote:

> 
> Any of you know this problem?
> 
> Jun  9 10:26:39 Matrix sendmail[9298]: KAB09298:
> to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrappe$
> Jun  9 10:26:39 Matrix sendmail[9298]: KAB09298: KAC09298: return to
> sender:  Service unavailable
> Jun  9 10:26:39 Matrix sendmail[9298]: KAC09298: to=root,
> delay=00:00:00, xdela$
> 
> Sendmail8.9.3
> Redhat 6.0/Intel

Is this a FAQ yet? :-)

Redhat 6 uses smrsh, the sendmail restricted shell, for improved security.
To get mailman to work, make a link in /etc/smrsh to wrapper, like this
(as root):

ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/

(Other distributions use a directory that's different than /etc/smrsh.
This solution may only work for redhat 6.0)

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From jlewis at prospace.org  Thu Jun 10 00:32:51 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (prospace-jlewis)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:32:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination problems using aliases
Message-ID: <007701beb2c8$025b8c30$465e8f80@comm.virginia.edu>

I have set up an alias in my /etc/aliases file that says the following:

information:      "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post prospace-admin"

But when I send messages to "information", the messages get held my mailman
for approval with the following reason:

Reason held:  Implicit destination

If I send messages directly to the "prospace-admin" list address, the list
works as it should.

Is this me, or mailman?  How can I get this to work?

Thanks

John Lewis
ProSpace volunteer webmaster and mailing list manager
http://www.prospace.org/




From mkersten at parc.xerox.com  Thu Jun 10 01:34:27 1999
From: mkersten at parc.xerox.com (Mik Kersten)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:34:27 PDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail problems
Message-ID: <375EFA03.3761873F@parc.xerox.com>

One of my key problems seems to sum down to the following (assuming that
the list in question is called "test").  I've been very careful in the
install and seem to have everything required by the INSTALL file.  The
CGI stuff all works fine, but. . .

1. When I click "Test Archives" in the page generated by
"mailman/listinfo/test" I get a file not found.  There is a link from
the /home/mailman/archives/public/test that points to
/home/mailman/archives/private/test, but the latter file does not
exist.  I suppose that the problem is coming somewere from 'wrapper',
but I've checked to make sure that my aliases work.

2. I can add users to the list from the administrative side but using
"Subscribe" from the page given by one seems to have no effect.

3. This is the error message returned:
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
    (expanded from: <test at chilliwack.parc.xerox.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable

4.  Also, if I have more than one "test-<>" alias present (i.e. if both
"test" and "test-admin" are aliases) then the "test alias doesn't seem
to work.

Is this an incompatibility with my sendmail or something?

I'm running on Linux RedHat 6.0 with Apache1.3.6.

Thanks for your help,

Mik








From trevor at jpj.net  Thu Jun 10 09:23:46 1999
From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:23:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-in-list inclusions, "mixed" lists
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990609090320.00ae2cf0@cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990610030745.6123A-100000@blues.jpj.net>

Mitch Marks writes:

> The interesting settings about sending password reminders to "-owner" 
> addresses instead of unmodified member addresses seem very useful for 
> *completely* umbrella lists, whose members are only other lists.  But I 
> didn't see a way to selectively mark members one way or the other.  Any 
> suggestions?  (Or can this go under "enhancement requests"?)

Anyone who has access to the Web (probably the great majority of
subscribers) can have their password mailed via the Web form.  I'd suggest
just turning off the reminders.  If the password were included in the
response to a "help" command, then there would be no need at all for the
reminders.

> 	Subject: Re: [List 1] [List 2] Re [List 2] [List 1] Re [List 1] 
> [List2]  The Original Topic

The way majordomo deals with this is that if the token appears anywhere in
the subject, a new one doesn't get added.  If you changed one of the lists
to majordomo, the growth would probably stop with at most three tokens. :) 
__
Trevor Johnson




From jerry.alexandratos at quansoo.com  Thu Jun 10 17:17:03 1999
From: jerry.alexandratos at quansoo.com (Jerry Alexandratos)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:17:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probs with Exim/Mailman combo
Message-ID: <E10s6Zk-0000k2-00@tardis.quansoo.com>

I'm having some problems when some of my users send to some mailing
lists.  I'm at my wit's end and can't seem to do anything to fix the
problem.  I'll include the error messages I'm getting.  I can't figure
out if it's exim tripping up mailman or vice versa or what.

My setup is as follows:  FreeBSD -current, Exim 2.92, Mailman 1.0rc1.

>From exim, I get the following log entries:

1999-06-09 16:44:55 10rp8d-000I0T-00 SMTP data timeout (message abandoned) on co
nnection from perspectives.net [63.66.225.70]
1999-06-09 16:44:55 10rp8d-000I0S-00 SMTP data timeout (message abandoned) on co
nnection from perspectives.net [63.66.225.70]
1999-06-09 16:44:55 10rp8c-000I0C-00 => |/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post everyone
 <Everyone at quansoo.com> D=mailman_aliases T=address_pipe
1999-06-09 16:44:55 10rp8c-000I0C-00 Completed

>From mailman, I get the following log entries:

Jun 09 16:47:00 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jerry at quansoo.com']:
Jun 09 16:47:00 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServer
Disconnected  / Connection unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)

Thanks in advance for any and all help...

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 302.521.1018               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jalexand at quansoo.com       ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!



From manager at genetics.med.harvard.edu  Thu Jun 10 16:51:47 1999
From: manager at genetics.med.harvard.edu (Matthew Temple)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving to hypertext failing
In-Reply-To: <199906100505.BAA07167@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990610104527.1169A-100000@mht.med.harvard.edu>

We're running on a DEC unix DU4.0D computer.
Since I see that the main mailman site can archive, I know that it's 
possible, but I haven't been able to get archive working correctly.
I've directly sent mail to some users who had been having difficulties,
but they had given up solving the problem.   Unfoprtunately, it seems to
fail silently, because I can see that the html files have not been created
and the files in the lists' directories are still the empty html
templates.

I believe we've dealt with the configuration issues via Apache.
Has anyone found that something beyond the obvious needs to be done to get
pipermail working?

(Excuse the vagueness, but it's not yet clear where to start on this.)


Matthew Temple                                  Tel:  617/432-7696
HHMI / HMS Genetics Computing                   Fax:  617/432-7663
Harvard Medical School
200 Longwood Avenue, Boston, MA 02115           Matthew_Temple at harvard.edu
==========================================================================





From ph10 at cus.cam.ac.uk  Thu Jun 10 18:15:24 1999
From: ph10 at cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:15:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [EXIM] Probs with Exim/Mailman combo
In-Reply-To: <E10s6Zk-0000k2-00@tardis.quansoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990610171302.5384W-100000@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk>

On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Jerry Alexandratos wrote:

> My setup is as follows:  FreeBSD -current, Exim 2.92, Mailman 1.0rc1.
                                                  ^^^^
                                                  ^^^^
                                      There never was such a release.

> Disconnected  / Connection unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)

A bug like this (but not identical) was reported for Exim 3.00 and 3.01
and fixed in 3.02. But it sounds as though you are running an earlier
version. Can you check by running  "exim -bV"  to be sure?

-- 
Philip Hazel            University of Cambridge Computing Service,
ph10 at cus.cam.ac.uk      Cambridge, England. Phone: +44 1223 334714.




From jerry.alexandratos at quansoo.com  Thu Jun 10 18:20:03 1999
From: jerry.alexandratos at quansoo.com (Jerry Alexandratos)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:20:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [EXIM] Probs with Exim/Mailman combo
In-Reply-To: Message from Philip Hazel <ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk> 
   of "Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:15:24 BST." <Pine.SOL.3.96.990610171302.5384W-100000@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk> 
Message-ID: <E10s7Yh-00010C-00@tardis.quansoo.com>

Philip Hazel <ph10 at cus.cam.ac.uk> says:
: On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Jerry Alexandratos wrote:
: 
: > My setup is as follows:  FreeBSD -current, Exim 2.92, Mailman 1.0rc1.
:                                                   ^^^^
:                                                   ^^^^
:                                       There never was such a release.
: 
: > Disconnected  / Connection unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)
: 
: A bug like this (but not identical) was reported for Exim 3.00 and 3.01
: and fixed in 3.02. But it sounds as though you are running an earlier
: version. Can you check by running  "exim -bV"  to be sure?

I'm running Exim 2.12 (sorry about the typo up above).  Does this mean
that the only solution for using Exim/Mailman might be to upgrade the
version of Exim that's being run?

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 302.521.1018               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jalexand at quansoo.com       ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!



From claw at varesearch.com  Thu Jun 10 23:42:27 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:42:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance problems and MailMan
Message-ID: <E10sCah-0002yM-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

I believe I've found out how to reliably reproduce the performance
problemsI've noticed here at VA and at Kanga.Nu, and which Barry and 
another (forget name, sorry) have observed as well:

  1) Create a moderated list.

  2) Subscribe 200 addresses to the list (can be bogus addresses but
the local MTA must accept them)

  3) Post at least 30 messages of an average of at least 2K size to
the list.

  4) Go to the moderation page, approve every message, and hit
submit.

  5) Watch your system load peg and stay there for an obscenely long
time.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From ph10 at cus.cam.ac.uk  Fri Jun 11 11:04:27 1999
From: ph10 at cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:04:27 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [EXIM] Probs with Exim/Mailman combo
In-Reply-To: <E10s7Yh-00010C-00@tardis.quansoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990611100307.27149F-100000@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk>

On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Jerry Alexandratos wrote:

> I'm running Exim 2.12 (sorry about the typo up above).  Does this mean
> that the only solution for using Exim/Mailman might be to upgrade the
> version of Exim that's being run?

I'm not at all sure, because this doesn't sound like the same problem, 
which in any case was not present in 2.12 (it got introduced in the 
changes for 3.00).


-- 
Philip Hazel            University of Cambridge Computing Service,
ph10 at cus.cam.ac.uk      Cambridge, England. Phone: +44 1223 334714.




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Fri Jun 11 12:09:25 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 11 Jun 1999 12:09:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [EXIM] Probs with Exim/Mailman combo
In-Reply-To: Jerry Alexandratos's message of "Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:17:03 -0400"
References: <E10s6Zk-0000k2-00@tardis.quansoo.com>
Message-ID: <d6d674vf3qi.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Jerry Alexandratos]

> I'm having some problems when some of my users send to some mailing
> lists.  I'm at my wit's end and can't seem to do anything to fix the
> problem.  I'll include the error messages I'm getting.  I can't figure
> out if it's exim tripping up mailman or vice versa or what.
> 
> My setup is as follows:  FreeBSD -current, Exim 2.92, Mailman 1.0rc1.
> 
> >From exim, I get the following log entries:
> 
> 1999-06-09 16:44:55 10rp8d-000I0T-00 SMTP data timeout (message abandoned) on co
> nnection from perspectives.net [63.66.225.70]
> 1999-06-09 16:44:55 10rp8d-000I0S-00 SMTP data timeout (message abandoned) on co
> nnection from perspectives.net [63.66.225.70]
> 1999-06-09 16:44:55 10rp8c-000I0C-00 => |/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post everyone
>  <Everyone at quansoo.com> D=mailman_aliases T=address_pipe
> 1999-06-09 16:44:55 10rp8c-000I0C-00 Completed
> 
> >From mailman, I get the following log entries:
> 
> Jun 09 16:47:00 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jerry at quansoo.com']:
> Jun 09 16:47:00 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServer
> Disconnected  / Connection unexpectedly closed  (dequeued)

Mailman dequeues (i.e. does not try to re-deliver) messages that seems
to be the cause of "unexpected problems" with the MTA.  Currently,
"unexpected problems" are pretty much any problem at all short of not
being able to connect to the SMTP service.  I'll have a look at the
TrySMTPDelivery Mailman code to try making it be a bit more verbose as
to exactly what went wrong...

However, list archiving is done before the SMTP delivery -- so if your
list has archiving turned on, you will have a copy of the "offending"
message at the end of
/opt/mailman/archives/private/everyone.mbox/everyone.mbox.  You could
try injecting this into Exim by hand to see if that particular message
contains whatever is the cause of your problems.

BTW, I'm using Exim 2.12 on the Solaris 2.6 box that's running my
Mailman installation (although I'm now using a post-1.0rc1 CVS
version), and I haven't seen any problems like this one.
-- 
Harald



From starback at ling.uu.se  Fri Jun 11 16:12:37 1999
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: 11 Jun 1999 16:12:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing messages (Was: Performance problems and MailMan)
In-Reply-To: J C Lawrence's message of "Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:42:27 -0700"
References: <E10sCah-0002yM-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
Message-ID: <qz4skej06i.fsf@objekt.ling.uu.se>

In April Joe Vaughan asked how to make mailman strip out some header
he didn't like in the messages.  I haven't seen any answer to that
though, and I can't answer it myself.

Let's make the question more general.  How can I apply a program
on every message sent to the list where I can do any kind of
mutilation on the message before it gets through?  (I don't know
python.  I guess I could learn if necessary, but the most convenient
would be if an external program could be run for this.)

I don't know exactly where to start though.

(What I want in this case is to edit multipart/alternative messages so
as to only keep text/plain alternative.  But I'm sure there are other
things I'd like to do as well.)
-- 
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"



From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Fri Jun 11 19:23:06 1999
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:23:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing messages (Was: Performance problems and MailMan)
In-Reply-To: <qz4skej06i.fsf@objekt.ling.uu.se>
References: J C Lawrence's message of "Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:42:27 -0700"
Message-ID: <199906111623.KAA17365@ns.kinfolk.org>

Another much needed feature is a way to edit messages held for 
approval. Quite often I get messages held for approval that I would 
like to edit before sending them on to the list. It would be nice to 
either be able to edit them from the administrative web page or 
forward them to a moderator for editing and re-submission.

On 11 Jun 99, at 16:12, Per Starback wrote:

> In April Joe Vaughan asked how to make mailman strip out some header
> he didn't like in the messages.  I haven't seen any answer to that
> though, and I can't answer it myself.
> 
> Let's make the question more general.  How can I apply a program
> on every message sent to the list where I can do any kind of
> mutilation on the message before it gets through?  (I don't know
> python.  I guess I could learn if necessary, but the most convenient
> would be if an external program could be run for this.)
> 
> I don't know exactly where to start though.
> 
> (What I want in this case is to edit multipart/alternative messages so as
> to only keep text/plain alternative.  But I'm sure there are other things
> I'd like to do as well.) -- Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se>
> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
>  "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri Jun 11 18:37:06 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:37:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing messages (Was: Performance problems and MailMan)
In-Reply-To: <199906111623.KAA17365@ns.kinfolk.org> from "Richard B. Pyne" at Jun 11, 99 10:23:06 am
Message-ID: <199906111637.LAA27451@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From starback at ling.uu.se  Fri Jun 11 19:05:24 1999
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: 11 Jun 1999 19:05:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Envelope from, sender, from, etc.
In-Reply-To: Greg Connor's message of "Mon, 24 May 1999 22:10:22 -0700"
Message-ID: <qzn1y6acrv.fsf_-_@objekt.ling.uu.se>

In 1.0rc1 USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 by default, but still it didn't work
for me.  After investigating it turned out that the documentation
misled me.  I think the documentation or the function should be
changed, preferrably the latter.

According to the section in NEWS where USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is added:

# With this variable set to true, the envelope sender (e.g. Unix
# "From_" header) is used to match addresses, otherwise the From:
# header is used.

The FAQ also speaks about the difference being between using envelope
from and From:.

The comments in Defaults.py indicate that this is perhaps not the
whole truth as they say

# The envelope sender is set by the SMTP delivery and is thus less easily
# spoofed than the sender, which is typically just taken from the From: header 

"Typically" is the key word here.  The actual code uses GetSender
which prefers to use Sender: but uses From: if there is no Sender:.
So my messages which said

	 From: starback at ling.uu.se
	 Sender: starback at objekt.ling.uu.se

where rejected when only "starback at ling.uu.se" was a subscriber.

Am I missing something here?  It seems to me that the point of
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER=0 is that we are willing to accept the lesser
security we get when we just accept who the sender says they are
and don't insist that the "technical stuff" (envelope from) has to
match.  Why then refuse because of a Sender: header that probably
echoes what was in envelope from?

-- 
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"



From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Fri Jun 11 21:27:02 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:27:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do i edit the html for the /listinfo page?
Message-ID: <000401beb440$62058c70$243e79cf@barracuda.scansoft.com>

I've looked through a few months of archives.  There may be an answer there
that I missed, if so, I apologize. Can anyone tell me where to/which file I
need to edit in order to add more information to the page that comes up when
people run cgi-bin/listinfo ?  (IOW, the page they see when they click on
one link on the first page at list.scansoft.com)...

many T's IA.

J.




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sat Jun 12 05:38:36 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 12 Jun 1999 05:38:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Exim, and Debian (recipient rejected)
In-Reply-To: Dave Cinege's message of "Mon, 31 May 1999 00:58:33 -0400"
References: <375216F9.67717AB6@psychosis.com>
Message-ID: <d6d4skedr5v.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Dave Cinege]

> I had the pleasure of spending 2 hours getting mailman to work. : P
> I didn't find anything in the archives on my specific problem,
> so I'm posting the fix.
> 
> Package: exim   
> Version: 2.05-1  
> 
> Package: mailman 
> Version: 1.0rc1-1
> This version does not include the INSTALL file. : O

Presumably the debian package maintainer has been notified about this?

> If your exim is setup with good relay controls (aka CORRECTLY!)
> all resends will get rejected with the error:

What do you mean by "resends"?  All attempts Mailman does to
distribute a message to any list's members?

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1999-05-31 00:07:13 unqualified recipient rejected: <root> H=localhost
> (schizo.psychosis.com) [127.0.0.1] (list)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Ummm... this message says that something (running as user `list'
according to identd) tried issuing a

  RCPT TO:<root>

command after in a session originating from 127.0.0.1.

I'm not quite sure why Mailman would try to send anything at all to
the unqualified address <root>, as Mailman shouldn't allow any
unqualified addresses to be subscribed to lists.

However, there seems to be a loophole in bin/newlist -- if you're
entering a unqualified address as list admin address, it is accepted.
I'll fix this shortly.


It goes without saying (or at least I think it _should_ do :) that
anyone using unqualified addresses as list admins *needs* to configure
their MTA to qualify these addresses for them (or at least accept them
unqualified).  In Exim 2.* this is done by means of setting
qualify_domain, qualify_recipient and
{receiver,sender}_unqualified_{hosts,nets} appropriately -- which I
believe you have neglected to do.

> You must edit /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py (/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/) and
> set USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 1.

I can't see how this should have any effect whatsoever on what RCPT
TO: SMTP commands Mailman will issue.  Could you try to elaborate a
bit on the message flow of a Mailman-destined message on your system,
and why such a flow would make this setting necessary?
-- 
Harald



From matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca  Sat Jun 12 06:30:54 1999
From: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca (Matthew Darwin)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:30:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication/cookies question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.02A.9906120021590.843-100000@caribou.davin.ottawa.on.ca>

Is there any particular reason why there is no option (that I can find) to
configure the web interface to use basic authentication instead of
cookies?

I am just setting up a mailman site, and I know that I will have some
admnistrators connecting from a web browser that supports basic
authentication, but not cookies.

Background:

The local FreeNet uses a very old version of lynx that does not support
cookies, and I want to allow those FreeNet users to use mailman....
However, when using lynx they are constantly prompted for the admin
password, which makes the whole thing fairly unusable.







From matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca  Sat Jun 12 06:36:55 1999
From: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca (Matthew Darwin)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:36:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lack of RFC822 compliant date header
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.02A.9906120030560.843-100000@caribou.davin.ottawa.on.ca>

The newlist program generates an e-mail as follows.  I notice a lack of a
"Date: " line in the header: (I'm using qmail 1.03)

-------------------------------------------------------------------

>From mailman-owner at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca Sat Jun 12 00:32:28 1999
Return-Path: <mailman-owner at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca>
Delivered-To: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca
Received: (qmail 3154 invoked by uid 2); 12 Jun 1999 00:30:43 -0400
Received: from localhost (HELO HSE-OTT-ppp33376.sympatico.ca) (127.0.0.1)
  by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 00:30:43 -0400
From: mailman-owner at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca
Subject: Your new mailing list
To: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca
X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc1
Precedence: bulk
List-Id:  <test.lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca>

The mailing list `test' has just been created for you.  The following
is some basic information about your mailing list.

Your mailing list password is:

    test

You need this password to configure your mailing list.  You also need
it to handle administrative requests, such as approving mail if you
choose to run a moderated list.

You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:

    http://lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca/mailman/admin/test

The web page for users of your mailing list is: 

    http://lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/test

You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration
page.  However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this.

There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:

    test-request at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca

To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.

Please address all questions to
mailman-owner at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca.





From bobg at emphatic.com  Sat Jun 12 18:26:53 1999
From: bobg at emphatic.com (Bob Glickstein)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:26:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My mailman-users digests have bad MIME formatting
Message-ID: <14178.35405.500499.31338@zoger.emphatic.com>

(I've already reported this to the Mailman jitterbug database.)

The daily digest of mailman-users messages I receive has broken MIME
multipart structure.  One of the multipart boundaries is not correctly
nested.  Here's the structure of yesterday's digest, for example:

--132.151.1.90.9001.6311.929163771.576.10662
--132.151.1.90.9001.6311.929163771.576.10662
--132.151.1.90.9001.6311.929163771.576.10662
--__--__--
--__--__--
--__--__--
--__--__--
--__--__--
--__--__--
--__--__--
--__--__--
--__--__--
--__--__--
--132.151.1.90.9001.6311.929163771.576.10662
--__--__----
--132.151.1.90.9001.6311.929163771.576.10662--

Note that the closing "--__--__----" boundary appears outside the
subpart in which it's valid.

I'm happy to help diagnose or correct this problem in the code, but
first I'd like to know whether this is a known problem for which a fix
may already exist.

Cheers,
- Bob



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 16:01:10 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 16:01:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another problem?
In-Reply-To: Richard Ellerbrock's message of "Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:59:04 +0200"
References: <s70e31de.030@eskom.co.za>
Message-ID: <d6dogik42u1.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Richard Ellerbrock]

> I am already subscribed to a list as richarde at eskom.co.za. When I
> use the web page to subscribe to the same list as
> richarde at netman.eskom.co.za I get a message stating that I am
> already subscribed! For that matter it does not matter what domain I
> use, even richarde at abc.xyz.eskom.co.za says that I am already
> subscribed. This is with v1b11.

This is caused by mm_cfg.SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH being set true.

For now, this is not per-list configurable.  I hope to be able to
remove the restrictions this imposes post 1.0, probably as a spinoff
of the planned global user database.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 16:11:19 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 16:11:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request for moderated lists
In-Reply-To: Lyndon Drake's message of "Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:36:23 +1200"
References: <19990410093623.B898@kcbbs.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <d6diu8s42d4.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Lyndon Drake]

> I would really like to have the option of turning off the
> confirmation of receipt and the acceptance message

The web admin interface, "General Options" page, has a setting

  Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?

Setting this option to "No" should do what you want.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 17:05:28 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 17:05:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a private web server for mailman
References: <19990410093058.A898@kcbbs.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <d6d1zfg3zuv.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Lyndon Drake]

> Is it at all likely that the email commands will be extended to
> accomodate more functionality by email?

I'd say "yes", and then welcome any patches to implement this :)

A patch against current CVS to make the "password" mail command mail a
user's password to her when no args are given follows:

Index: MailCommandHandler.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /export/public/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py,v
retrieving revision 1.51
diff -u -r1.51 MailCommandHandler.py
--- MailCommandHandler.py	1999/06/13 07:07:22	1.51
+++ MailCommandHandler.py	1999/06/13 15:03:15
@@ -265,10 +265,22 @@
         self.__NoMailCmdResponse = 0
 
     def ProcessPasswordCmd(self, args, cmd, mail):
-	if len(args) <> 2:
-	    self.AddError("Usage: password <oldpw> <newpw>")
+        if len(args) not in [0,2]:
+	    self.AddError("Usage: password [<oldpw> <newpw>]")
 	    return
         sender = mail.GetSender()
+        if len(args) == 0:
+            # Mail user's password to user
+            user = self.FindUser(sender)
+            if user and self.passwords.has_key(user):
+                self.AddToResponse("You are subscribed as %s,\n"
+                                   "  with password: %s" %
+                                   (user, self.passwords[user]),
+                                   trunc=0)
+            else:
+                self.AddError("Found no password for %s" %sender, trunc=0)
+            return
+        # Try to change password
 	try:
             self.ConfirmUserPassword(sender, args[0])
 	    self.ChangeUserPassword(sender, args[1], args[1])

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 17:50:25 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 17:50:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Find out a list admin password ?
In-Reply-To: Ian Jackson's message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:13:20 +0100 (BST)"
References: <14100.30800.980013.600338@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <d6dwvx82j7i.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Ian Jackson]

> 1. Are the mailman developers aware that mailman can lose mail ?  The
> message which mailman tried to send (via SMTP) was rejected by my
> local Exim because the sender was wrong, and the only trace I can now
> find of it is in the various error logs.  The message body is nowhere
> to be found.

Yes, we are aware of that.  I believe this is a design issue: Mailman
should rather dequeue than defer messages that for non-obvious reasons
aren't accepted by the SMTP server.  This means, among other things,
that Mailman won't try resending a message that tickles some bug in
your MTA over and over...

However, "non-obvious reasons" should not include error responses on
MAIL FROM.  In current CVS, such errors cause deferral and writes a
message stating the problem to Mailman's logs.

[ I considered having Mailman try to contact the site Mailman admin,
  as well -- but as the likely cause of refused senders is relaying
  restrictions being set too tight, doing automatic mailing could
  rather easily start an avalanche of messages. ]

> 2. What is the published, documented way of finding out or resetting
> a list owner password ?  I can probably dig into python and get it out
> that way, but I would like a proper published interface ?

The list admin passwords are stored as one-way crypted strings (either
with MD5 or with standard UNIX crypt).  So, to find out what the
password was, you'll have to do some brute-forcing...

Change of list admin passwords can be done at the bottom of the
DEFAULT_URL/admin/LISTNAME web page, by using the site admin password
as the "old" list password.

> 3. What is the site admin password for ?  I deduce its existence from
> the presence of a program to set it ...

See answer to previous question.  The site admin password works
everywhere either a list admin password or some member's password
would work.

> In general I have a feeling that I'm missing some of the
> documentation.

So do I -- Mailman documentation is currently all too sparse.  Any
 effort to change this would be greatly appreciated :)

Much of the code have good docstrings and is quite well commented,
though.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 18:00:12 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 18:00:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Too many recipients.'
In-Reply-To: Christopher Lindsey's message of "Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:21:09 -0500 (CDT)"
References: <199904141821.NAA07540@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <d6du2sc2ir7.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Christopher Lindsey]

> [J C Lawrence]
> > MailMan ouputs messages with (guesstimate) 100 recipiants per
> > message.  If the MTA that MailMan is talking to has such a limit,
> > you'll get that error.
> 
> Isn't this defined in the privacy options under the "Ceiling on acceptable
> number of recipients for a posting" section?

Nope, you're talking of two separate limits.

J C Lawrence is talking of a MTA-enforced limit on the number of RCPT
TO: SMTP commands for a single message, while Christopher Lindsey is
talking of a Mailman-enforced limit on the number of recipient
addresses given in a message's headers (which is totally unrelated to
the envelope recipients of the message).

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 18:36:56 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 18:36:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bizzarre; disregard previous
In-Reply-To: "Corbett J. Klempay"'s message of "Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:05:49 -0400 (EDT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9904190003430.16313-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <d6dn1y42h1z.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Corbett J. Klempay]

> One question: in the 'make update', is there a reason why it asks
> you to manually copy the new options.html file for each list (or
> should this be done as part of make update)?

"make update" doesn't know if you have edited the options.html file
for any of your already existing lists, or if the copy residing in
$prefix/lists/LISTNAME/ is simply an unmodified copy of the
options.html that was distributed with an old Mailman.

Thus, you'll have to do the copying of the updated options.html by
hand (for the lists where it's appropriate).  Yes, this can be rather
tedious.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 18:54:09 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 18:54:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Footer Option
In-Reply-To: Steve Song's message of "Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:45:05 -0400"
References: <4.1.19990422104103.00a4bcb0@internet.idrc.ca>
Message-ID: <d6dk8t82g9a.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Steve Song]

> How can we find out what is in the list's attribute directory?

  listserver:~mailman$ python -i bin/withlist test
  Loading list: test (unlocked)
  >>> import pprint
  >>> pprint.pprint(m.__dict__)

should give you an idea.

> Are there more variables that can be used?  The name of the sender
> for instance would be MOST useful.

Uhhhm, I'd say that a message's sender isn't really a _list_
attribute...
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 19:17:24 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 19:17:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] `Password reminder' message lacks some helpful properties
In-Reply-To: ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk's message of "Fri, 7 May 1999 11:32:14 +0100 (BST)"
References: <14130.49454.643371.781324@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <d6dd7z02f6j.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Ian Jackson]

> Observe the attached bounce message.  Unfortunately, I can't easily do
> anything about it because the original message doesn't tell me which
> list(s) it relates to.

Well, it used to -- before the bouncer chopped off the bottom of the
original message.

> (b) Change the envelope from for these messages to be the listowner
> of at least one of the relevant lists.

This will probably be feasible with the global member database,
planned for post-1.0.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sun Jun 13 19:36:30 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 13 Jun 1999 19:36:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privay options.
In-Reply-To: David Sean McNicholl's message of "Wed, 12 May 1999 18:22:04 +0100 (BST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9905121816210.2117-100000@tb.infonaut.net>
Message-ID: <d6daeu42eap.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[David Sean McNicholl]

> hi,
> 	I have a password protected list. I use administrator confirmation
> of posts. Last night someone was able to modify my pages to remove this
> option. Could they have done this without the password ?

Unfortunately, there is a security flaw in all Mailman versions up to
and including 1.0rc1.  The security flaw has been fixed in CVS, and
I'm hoping there will be a new release shortly.

> How can I check ?

If the security flaw is what's been used to get in, the breakin is
neither easily traceable -- as the flaw is due to a misdesign in
Mailman's cookie authentication.  Your web server access logs might
contain some hints.
-- 
Harald



From dcinege at psychosis.com  Sun Jun 13 19:58:33 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:58:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privay options.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9905121816210.2117-100000@tb.infonaut.net> <d6daeu42eap.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <3763F149.80CC9680@psychosis.com>

Harald Meland wrote:
> 
> [David Sean McNicholl]
> 
> > hi,
> >       I have a password protected list. I use administrator confirmation
> > of posts. Last night someone was able to modify my pages to remove this
> > option. Could they have done this without the password ?
> 
> Unfortunately, there is a security flaw in all Mailman versions up to
> and including 1.0rc1.  The security flaw has been fixed in CVS, and
> I'm hoping there will be a new release shortly.

Is there a patch to fix this in 1.0rc1 instead of migrating to the CVS?

-- 
http://www.linuxrouter.org/     Linux Router Project

Over 750,000 people are now in jail for consensual 'crimes'. 2 million more
are now on parole or probation. 4 million more will be arrested this year.
Would someone please remind how 'free' America is again?



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sun Jun 13 20:30:38 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:30:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privay options.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9905121816210.2117-100000@tb.infonaut.net>
	<d6daeu42eap.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
	<3763F149.80CC9680@psychosis.com>
Message-ID: <14179.63694.488939.667402@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "DC" == Dave Cinege <dcinege at psychosis.com> writes:

    DC> Is there a patch to fix this in 1.0rc1 instead of migrating to
    DC> the CVS?

I'm going to try to get rc2 out today or tomorrow.

-Barry



From tabbott at intekom.com  Mon Jun 14 10:08:48 1999
From: tabbott at intekom.com (Tony Abbott)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:08:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Envelope from, sender, from, etc.
References: <qzn1y6acrv.fsf_-_@objekt.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <3764B890.BD9F7930@intekom.com>

Per Starback wrote:
> "Typically" is the key word here.  The actual code uses GetSender
> which prefers to use Sender: but uses From: if there is no Sender:.
> So my messages which said
> 
>          From: starback at ling.uu.se
>          Sender: starback at objekt.ling.uu.se
> 
> where rejected when only "starback at ling.uu.se" was a subscriber.

According to my understanding of RFC822, GetSender should be the other
way around, using Sender: as a fallback to From:. In fact, I had to
patch it this way to enable me to subscribe to my mailing lists using
Communicator, which was using "Sender: tony" (which is also incorrect,
but that's besides the point. all other mailing list software works with
From:) MailMan was trying to send the confirmation requests to the
Sender: address, which was not working. In fact, for the purpose of
sending such replies, it should actually be looking for a Reply-To:
first. I don't really know the code, but I think this would require
creating a separate GetSender for a) authorizing postings to a closed
list, and b) generating replies to administrative requests.

-t


-- 

    Tony Abbott					tabbott at intekom.co.za
    Systems Administrator, Intekom		Tel: +27-11-266-7800
    http://www.intekom.co.za			Fax: +27-11-315-0707

The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and
intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s).
This
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must not be disclosed to any person without Intekom's permission.



From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Mon Jun 14 16:40:42 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with "http://list.scansoft.com/mailman/listinfo" (2nd
 request)
	 request)
Message-ID: <199906141437.KAA24871@mail.scansoft.com>

I am trying, in vain, to find out where I can edit the text template that is
used to build this page...

any help appreciated.

Thanks,

J.
-----------------------------------------------------
   Joshua S. Freeman      | jfreeman at scansoft.com
   Internet Program Mgr.  |   voice: 978.977.2114
     ScanSoft, Inc.       | fax:   978.977.2412
     pager:  6172336422 at messaging.sprintpcs.com




From psycho at acc.umu.se  Mon Jun 14 17:43:55 1999
From: psycho at acc.umu.se (Tomas Halvarsson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:43:55 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie can't get everything to work.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9906141721380.8460-100000@shaka.acc.umu.se>

Good afternoon.

I have some problems setting up Mailman on our system. One of the
problems is that the mail server is an AIX machine, and the www server
is a Linux machine. Installing from the Linux machine _seem_ to work,
but...

I can't get the locks to work. The www server is running Linux 2.2.9,
Apache, and Python 1.5.1 (maybe we will have to upgrade to Python
1.5.2?). The mail server have Python 1.5.2.

Anyway, here's what it looks like when I try to create a new list (on 
the Linux machine):

Enter the name of the list: mailman-test
Enter the email of the person running the list: psycho at acc.umu.se
Initial mailman-test password: 
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/special/mailman/bin/newlist", line 141, in ?
    raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv))
  File "/home/special/mailman/bin/newlist", line 91, in main
    newlist.Create(list_name, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/home/special/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 719, in Create
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/special/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1274, in Lock
    self._lock_file.lock('w|', 1)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 190, in lock
    flock = fcntl.fcntl(self._file_.fileno(), cmd, flock)
IOError: (37, 'No locks available')

Creating the list on the AIX machine works, but then I get errors when
trying to do stuff (like subscribing) via www. So the question is: is
this a Mailman or a Python problem? I'd guess it's a Linux/Python
problem, but I'm not sure.

Other Linux users, have you experienced the same problem? If so, how
have you fixed them?

Thanks in advance. (And if this have already been discussed (although
I can't find anything in the archives) I apologize, and would
appreciate a pointer to the posts discussing it.)

/Tomas




From nacho at retemail.es  Mon Jun 14 18:11:02 1999
From: nacho at retemail.es (Nacho Ruiz)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:11:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Holding some commands
In-Reply-To: <E10pF22-000537-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
References: <Message from John-David Childs <jdc@nterprise.net>
 <19990601201357.48715@denver.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.54.19990614180620.00b697c0@irc.redestb.es>

Hi all:
It is possible to hold some posts if a specific header value matches?
I.e.: I want to hold all messages to a list with the subject: subscribe, 
suscribe, etc..
preventing the list members to see those annonying messages.
I tried to put the command on the "Hold posts with header value matching a 
specified
regexp." option but seems that only check From: and To: fields.
Thanks for any tip on advance,

--
Nacho Ruiz - Dept. Tecnico RedesTB - mailto:nax at core.redestb.es



From listadm at metaphor.unh.edu  Mon Jun 14 19:42:27 1999
From: listadm at metaphor.unh.edu (The List Server Administrator at UNH)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:42:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Holding some commands
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.54.19990614180620.00b697c0@irc.redestb.es>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.02.9906141334100.11400-100000@metaphor.unh.edu>

    Nacho Ruiz recently posted (in part) to the Mailman-Users list:

> It is possible to hold some posts if a specific header value matches?
> I.e.: I want to hold all messages to a list with the subject: subscribe, 
> suscribe, etc..
> preventing the list members to see those annonying messages.

     Sorry I don't have an immediate answer to this question, but allow
     me to make some observations.

     This is a feature of ListProc which has a set of regular expressions
     that try to catch this sort of thing -- not only in the subject line
     but in the body as well.  What ListProc does if it detects such a 
     message is to forward it to the list owner instead of posting as 
     well as alerting the sender that the message has been rejected
     and why.

     It is important part of such a feature that the message be
     redirected to a human since it is not uncommon for the server to
     guess wrong.  There is only so much smarts you can build out of
     regular expressions.  I would think a good approach would be to treat 
     such messages as if the list were moderated -- i.e. when detected,
     for that one message ask the list owner for approval before posting.

                                           Cordially,
                                           The List Server Admin
                                           list.admin at unh.edu
                                           (currently Bill Costa)




From bobg at zanshin.com  Mon Jun 14 20:46:03 1999
From: bobg at zanshin.com (Bob Glickstein)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:46:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My mailman-users digests have bad MIME formatting
In-Reply-To: <14178.35405.500499.31338@zoger.emphatic.com>
References: <14178.35405.500499.31338@zoger.emphatic.com>
Message-ID: <14181.19947.216076.107180@hiro.zanshin.com>

Bob Glickstein writes:
> The daily digest of mailman-users messages I receive has broken MIME
> multipart structure.

Well, there's another bug: my report about the first bug was mangled
by mailman's digest-creation code.

My previous message included lines consisting solely of the character
sequence dash-dash-underscore-underscore-dash-dash-underscore-
underscore-dash-dash, to illustrate the sequence of MIME boundaries in
a sample digest message.  But because that very sequence of characters
is used by mailman as a MIME digest separator, mailman correctly
decided to alter those lines in the text of my message to avoid them
being misinterpreted as structure.  However, it did the alteration in
a non-reversible way: it added a blank space after the first two
dashes.  (It also added a second space before the last two dashes in
the line representing the closing boundary.)

I can think of two better approaches off the top of my head.  One is
to qp-encode lines that might be mistaken for MIME boundaries.
Another is not to reuse predictable boundary strings, but to generate
new ones each time that are very unlikely to cause collisions.

As before, I'm happy to help make the software better; just tell me
whether my help is needed.



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Mon Jun 14 22:46:42 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 14 Jun 1999 22:46:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 1.0rc2
Message-ID: <d6dk8t6zf0t.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

Hi there,

Mailman 1.0 release candidate 2 (1.0rc2) is now available for download
from

               <URL:http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz>

This is a bugfix release -- most notably, a security flaw in Mailman's
cookie authentication mechanisms have been fixed.  As the security
flaw could be used to obtain access to any Mailman admin page,
EVERYONE using Mailman are urged to upgrade AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

One word to everyone who has reported bugs, submitted patches, given
suggestions for improvements, or in other ways helped making Mailman
the product it is today: Thanks!

Se the NEWS file for some more info on what this release fixes.


Enjoy,
-- 
Harald



From teste at comp.ufscar.br  Tue Jun 15 00:29:48 1999
From: teste at comp.ufscar.br (Usuario para TESTE)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:29:48 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ALIASES
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.05.9906141748310.44642-100000@venom.comp.ufscar.br>

I Having some problem with mailman, i've followed the instructions and
installed 1.0rc1, but when i try to send an E-mail to the list i receive:


-----------------------------------------------------------------------

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner alunos"
    (expanded from: alunos-admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner alunos"... unknown mailer error 2

Reporting-MTA: dns; venom.comp.ufscar.br
Received-From-MTA: DNS; oxford.comp.ufscar.br
Arrival-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:52:04 -0400

Final-Recipient: RFC822; alunos-admin at venom.comp.ufscar.br
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
alunos at venom.comp.ufscar.br
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:52:04 -0400

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

any idea ????




From matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca  Tue Jun 15 04:07:49 1999
From: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca (Matthew Darwin)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:07:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Lack of RFC822 compliant date header
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990612105000.22256D-100000@java.dpcsys.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.02A.9906142152120.21390-100000@caribou.davin.ottawa.on.ca>

>From 
http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/1997/03/msg00576.html

<< qmail doesn't munge messages.  If the messages arrive over SMTP, they
are assumed to be RFC-compliant (if they aren't RFC-compliant, why is the
SMTP client sending them??). >>

So either mailman needs to deliver locally (via qmail-inject) or
generate RFC 822 Date: headers.

I also notice that pipermail is broken.  My original message is archived
in two pieces:

http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-June/001436.html
http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-June/001437.html


On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Dan Busarow wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Matthew Darwin wrote:
> > The newlist program generates an e-mail as follows.  I notice a lack of a
> > "Date: " line in the header: (I'm using qmail 1.03)
> 
> That's qmail's job.  MUA's, which list software is a variant of, can
> supply date and message-id headers but they don't need to.  MTA's
> *must* make sure that those headers exist.
> 
> Since we don't run qmail I can't tell you how to get this fixed
> but you really should.  Missing message-id's cause email to go
> to /dev/null here and lots of other places cause it's a great
> way to trap spam from the "make your pc a mail server" spam
> software.
> 
> Dan
> 
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > >From mailman-owner at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca Sat Jun 12 00:32:28 1999
> > Return-Path: <mailman-owner at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca>
> > Delivered-To: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca
> > Received: (qmail 3154 invoked by uid 2); 12 Jun 1999 00:30:43 -0400
> > Received: from localhost (HELO HSE-OTT-ppp33376.sympatico.ca) (127.0.0.1)
> >   by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 00:30:43 -0400
> > From: mailman-owner at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca
> > Subject: Your new mailing list
> > To: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca
> > X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc1
> > Precedence: bulk
> > List-Id:  <test.lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca>
> > 
> > The mailing list `test' has just been created for you.  The following
> > is some basic information about your mailing list.
> > 
> > Your mailing list password is:
> > 
> >     test
> > 
> > You need this password to configure your mailing list.  You also need
> > it to handle administrative requests, such as approving mail if you
> > choose to run a moderated list.
> > 
> > You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
> > 
> >     http://lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca/mailman/admin/test
> > 
> > The web page for users of your mailing list is: 
> > 
> >     http://lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/test
> > 
> > You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration
> > page.  However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this.
> > 
> > There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
> > of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
> > with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:
> > 
> >     test-request at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca
> > 
> > To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
> > click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
> > Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
> > your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
> > member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.
> > 
> > Please address all questions to
> > mailman-owner at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> -- 
>  Dan Busarow                                                  949 443 4172
>  Dana Point Communications, Inc.                            dan at dpcsys.com
>  Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82
> 
> 

-- 
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From tabbott at intekom.com  Tue Jun 15 10:19:14 1999
From: tabbott at intekom.com (Tony Abbott)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:19:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ALIASES
References: <Pine.A41.4.05.9906141748310.44642-100000@venom.comp.ufscar.br>
Message-ID: <37660C82.3BFF9024@intekom.com>

Check the mail group that you have compiled into the wrapper. I seem to
remember this was the error I got when I had the group there wrong.

-t

Usuario para TESTE wrote:
> 
> I Having some problem with mailman, i've followed the instructions and
> installed 1.0rc1, but when i try to send an E-mail to the list i receive:
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner alunos"
>     (expanded from: alunos-admin)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner alunos"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; venom.comp.ufscar.br
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; oxford.comp.ufscar.br
> Arrival-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:52:04 -0400
> 
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; alunos-admin at venom.comp.ufscar.br
> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
> alunos at venom.comp.ufscar.br
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:52:04 -0400
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> any idea ????
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Tue Jun 15 11:29:56 1999
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:29:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions problems
Message-ID: <19990615082957.3F64127804@mail.kinfolk.org>

Unless the permissions settings are simplified and explained clearly, 
they are an absolute waste of time and serve only to reduce security. 
>From reading the past postings on the list, I'm sure I'm not alone in 
this frustration. Every time I have installed a new update, I have 
had to spend litterally hours fighting with permissions issues. 
Several times I have ended up just setting everything to world 
writable in order to keep the system running. If I fix one part of 
it, it breaks another. PLEASE if the install scripts can't be made to 
set permissions and ownership correctly then at least document 
CLEARLY who needs to own what and what permissions are necessary.


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From th at nextel.no  Tue Jun 15 11:17:49 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:17:49 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perhaps this is covered already ..
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9906151113190.8783-100000@opus.nextel.no>

But why does the

	/mailman/admin

link say "Welcome! [...] this is the collection of publicly-advertised
mailman mailing lists on [...]" and then proceeds to list the publicly
available lists (I have 4 lists on my server, where 1 is made
non-public, so above link lists (correctly) 3 lists).

When the link

	/mailman/listinfo

says "Welcome! [...] There currently are no publicly-advertised [...]
lists"??

I am assuming the latter link is wrong; since the admin page actually
displays things correctly.

I am running 1.0rc2.

Regards,

Tor Houghton.




From Andy.Carpenter at cs.man.ac.uk  Tue Jun 15 11:42:37 1999
From: Andy.Carpenter at cs.man.ac.uk (Andy Carpenter)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:42:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Perhaps this is covered already ..
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9906151113190.8783-100000@opus.nextel.no>
Message-ID: <003001beb713$67e7f8f0$62c15882@cs.man.ac.uk>

> But why does the
>
> /mailman/admin
>
> link say "Welcome! [...] this is the collection of publicly-advertised
> mailman mailing lists on [...]" and then proceeds to list the publicly
> available lists (I have 4 lists on my server, where 1 is made
> non-public, so above link lists (correctly) 3 lists).
>
> When the link
>
> /mailman/listinfo
>
> says "Welcome! [...] There currently are no publicly-advertised [...]
> lists"??
>
> I am assuming the latter link is wrong; since the admin page actually
> displays things correctly.

Tor,

    What you are seeing is the effects of mailman's virtual hosting support
which is on by default.  The admin page will list all of the available
lists, whereas
the listinfo page will only list those lists that have the same value for
their base URL
as the host to which to have connected.  The base URL for a list is set on
the
lists general options admin page (at the bottom).

    Andy.
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr Andy Carpenter
Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester, Manchester M13
9PL, UK
Email: Andy.Carpenter at cs.man.ac.uk Tel: +44 161 275 6168 Fax: +44 161 275
6280




From th at nextel.no  Tue Jun 15 12:23:58 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:23:58 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Perhaps this is covered
 already ..
In-Reply-To: <003001beb713$67e7f8f0$62c15882@cs.man.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9906151221350.8783-100000@opus.nextel.no>

> Tor,
> 
>     What you are seeing is the effects of mailman's virtual hosting
> support which is on by default.  The admin page will list all of the
> available lists, whereas the listinfo page will only list those lists
> that have the same value for their base URL as the host to which to
> have connected.  The base URL for a list is set on the lists general
> options admin page (at the bottom).
> 

Ah. Thanks very much. Is there any way to have a "list" of base URL's?
It works as you say when I use the hostname, but it also has a CNAME
('www') which most people tend to use.

Regards,

Tor.




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 14:03:36 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 14:03:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ALIASES
In-Reply-To: Tony Abbott's message of "Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:19:14 +0200"
References: <Pine.A41.4.05.9906141748310.44642-100000@venom.comp.ufscar.br> <37660C82.3BFF9024@intekom.com>
Message-ID: <d6dg13ty8kn.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

As is apparent from the subject of the message I am now replying to,
subject prefixing is broken in rc2 :(

Here is the trivial patch (which was just checked into CVS):

Index: MailList.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /export/public/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py,v
retrieving revision 1.125
diff -u -r1.125 MailList.py
--- MailList.py	1999/06/13 07:19:20	1.125
+++ MailList.py	1999/06/15 11:43:27
@@ -1269,8 +1269,8 @@
 	prefix = self.subject_prefix
 	if not subj:
 	    msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s(no subject)' % prefix)
-	elif prefix and not re.match(re.escape(self.subject_prefix),
-                                     subj, re.I):
+	elif prefix and not re.search(re.escape(self.subject_prefix),
+                                      subj, re.I):
 	    msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s%s' % (prefix, subj))
         if self.anonymous_list:
             del msg['reply-to']

Sorry for not noticing this breakage in time,
-- 
Harald



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Jun 15 17:24:47 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:24:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ALIASES
References: <Pine.A41.4.05.9906141748310.44642-100000@venom.comp.ufscar.br>
	<37660C82.3BFF9024@intekom.com>
	<d6dg13ty8kn.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <14182.28735.27888.451935@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "HM" == Harald Meland <Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no> writes:

    HM> As is apparent from the subject of the message I am now
    HM> replying to, subject prefixing is broken in rc2 :(

And I was just about to look into that problem, which was reported on
the python-dev!  Thanks,
-Barry



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 18:06:43 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 18:06:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perhaps this is covered already ..
In-Reply-To: Tor Houghton's message of "Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:23:58 +0200 (MET DST)"
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9906151221350.8783-100000@opus.nextel.no>
Message-ID: <d6dyahlwir0.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Tor Houghton]

> Thanks very much. Is there any way to have a "list" of base URL's?
> It works as you say when I use the hostname, but it also has a CNAME
> ('www') which most people tend to use.

No, there are not any Mailman mechanisms to deal with this -- people
accessing the web server by the "wrong" virtual interface will not get
the same info as the ones accessing by the "right" one -- unless you
turn off Mailman's virtual hosting support, of course.

The virtual hosting support is controlled by the
mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW variable.  Edit $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
to change this.

Or, you could have your web server issue redirects on access of
mailman pages via one virtual interface to point the browser to the
"right" one...
-- 
Harald



From th at nextel.no  Tue Jun 15 18:13:28 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:13:28 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perhaps this is covered already ..
In-Reply-To: <d6dyahlwir0.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9906151812340.18621-100000@opus.nextel.no>

I see; thanks for your help!

Tor.

On 15 Jun 1999, Harald Meland wrote:

> <snip>
>
> The virtual hosting support is controlled by the
> mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW variable.  Edit $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> to change this.
>
> <snip>
 




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 19:06:53 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:06:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lack of RFC822 compliant date header
In-Reply-To: Matthew Darwin's message of "Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:07:49 -0400 (EDT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.02A.9906142152120.21390-100000@caribou.davin.ottawa.on.ca>
Message-ID: <d6dvhcpwfyq.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Matthew Darwin]

> So either mailman needs to deliver locally (via qmail-inject) or
> generate RFC 822 Date: headers.

I'll make Utils.DeliverToUser() add a Date: header when missing.

> I also notice that pipermail is broken.  My original message is archived
> in two pieces:
> 
> http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-June/001436.html
> http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-June/001437.html

Here's a quick fix for that one:

Index: Archiver.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /export/public/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py,v
retrieving revision 1.11
diff -u -r1.11 Archiver.py
--- Archiver.py	1999/02/28 00:27:32	1.11
+++ Archiver.py	1999/06/15 17:05:12
@@ -202,7 +202,11 @@
                     txt = txt + h
                 if msg.body[0] != '\n':
                     txt = txt + "\n"
-                txt = txt + msg.body
+                for line in string.split(msg.body, '\n'):
+                    # Quote unprotected From_ lines appearing in body
+                    if line and line[:5] == 'From ':
+                        line = '>' + line
+                    txt = txt + "%s\n" % line
                 f = StringIO(txt)
                 import HyperArch
                 h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 19:12:51 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:12:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions problems
In-Reply-To: "Richard B. Pyne"'s message of "Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:29:56 -0700"
References: <19990615082957.3F64127804@mail.kinfolk.org>
Message-ID: <d6dso7twfos.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Richard B. Pyne]

> Every time I have installed a new update, I have had to spend
> litterally hours fighting with permissions issues.

As far as I can remember, it has worked for me -- every time.  More
explicit reports on exactly what went wrong are, of course, most
welcome.

> PLEASE if the install scripts can't be made to set permissions and
> ownership correctly then at least document CLEARLY who needs to own
> what and what permissions are necessary.

I'm hoping to have the time to create an auto-permission-checker.  I
guess that most of the time needed to make such a beast will be spent
thinking through exactly the things you want documented -- the hard
part being not to go making invalid assumptions on what
users/groups/filesystem features/whatever are available/in use on any
particular system.

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 19:14:57 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:14:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ALIASES
In-Reply-To: Usuario para TESTE's message of "Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:29:48 -0400 (AST)"
References: <Pine.A41.4.05.9906141748310.44642-100000@venom.comp.ufscar.br>
Message-ID: <d6dpv2xwfla.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Usuario para TESTE]

> I Having some problem with mailman, i've followed the instructions and
> installed 1.0rc1, but when i try to send an E-mail to the list i receive:

RTFM, more specifically question #1 in the FAQ.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 19:21:18 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:21:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication/cookies question
In-Reply-To: Matthew Darwin's message of "Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:30:54 -0400 (EDT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.02A.9906120021590.843-100000@caribou.davin.ottawa.on.ca>
Message-ID: <d6dn1y1wfap.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Matthew Darwin]

> Is there any particular reason why there is no option (that I can
> find) to configure the web interface to use basic authentication
> instead of cookies?

Just that no one has implemented such support yet.  If anyone's
willing to do that, I'm sure it'd be a nice feature to have.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 19:41:51 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:41:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] speaking of archiving ...
In-Reply-To: Mitchell Marks's message of "Fri, 14 May 1999 07:24:09 -0500"
References: <4.2.0.37.19990514071602.047fbc20@cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <d6diu8pwecg.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Mitchell Marks]

> Two of the lists I will be migrating to Mailman already have a
> couple years of archives, built up by hypermail (on a different host
> from where the slist mail management is running).  Any suggestions
> on how to integrate the old archives with the new ones that
> Mailman+pipermail will be establishing?

You can import mbox-format archives into pipermail with the
$prefix/bin/arch script.

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 19:45:26 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:45:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: Scott Kruger's message of "Fri, 14 May 1999 13:07:53 -0700"
References: <99051413124901.00974@colt.saic.com>
Message-ID: <d6dg13twe6h.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Scott Kruger]

> I just set up Mailman under Debian Linux using smail.  I set up a
> users mailing list but right now it is not working - obviously
> because I have not set up the mail alias.  Is this automated in any
> way by mailman?  It seems like such a nice package there must be
> some way of having this automated.  smail allows the creation of
> lists just by putting a file with the email addresses in
> /etc/smail/lists Is there an easy way of doing this?

I think there used to be, and it was disabled for some reason or other
(maybe it broke stuff on non-sendmail installations?) -- but that was
before my time with Mailman.  Thus, currently there is no such
support.

A suitably MTA-independent (well, with hooks for each supported MTA
would be more likely :) mechanism to do this would be great to have,
IMHO.  Any takers?
-- 
Harald



From jlevitsk at joshie.com  Tue Jun 15 19:52:03 1999
From: jlevitsk at joshie.com (Joshua Levitsky)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:52:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Announce] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 1.0rc2
References: <d6dk8t6zf0t.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <376692C3.A6B7C163@joshie.com>

Question....
 I have 1.0rc1. I unpacked the archive and did a 

./configure

and then a 

make update

It said it updated the mail lists. However on the web pages it says rc1.
Is that ok? Should I have done a make install from rc1 to rc2?

-Josh

Harald Meland wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Mailman 1.0 release candidate 2 (1.0rc2) is now available for download
> from
> 
>                <URL:http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz>
> 
> This is a bugfix release -- most notably, a security flaw in Mailman's
> cookie authentication mechanisms have been fixed.  As the security
> flaw could be used to obtain access to any Mailman admin page,
> EVERYONE using Mailman are urged to upgrade AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
> 
> One word to everyone who has reported bugs, submitted patches, given
> suggestions for improvements, or in other ways helped making Mailman
> the product it is today: Thanks!
> 
> Se the NEWS file for some more info on what this release fixes.
> 
> Enjoy,
> --
> Harald
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mailman-announce mailing list
> Mailman-announce at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-announce

--
Joshua Levitsky
http://www.joshie.com/
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From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 19:57:48 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 19:57:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domains
In-Reply-To: Lorenzo Cavassa's message of "Mon, 17 May 1999 11:36:20 +0000"
References: <19990517113620.A14830@monviso.alpcom.it>
Message-ID: <d6dbtehwdlv.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Lorenzo Cavassa]

> Hi,
> 
> i would like to run Mailman hosting several mailing lists with several domains.
> An example:
> 
> - two ml. : test at domain1.com, test at domain2.com
> - the internal naming is: domain1.test and domain2.test
> - i configure the MTA to accept test at domain1.com and test at domain2.com and to
> route email for these ml. to domain1.test and to domain2.test
> 
> How can i instruct MailMan to hide the internal naming in welcome
> messages to subscribe users?

Currently, this is hard.

I'm hoping to be able to allow internal names with "@"s in them for
post-1.0, so that the preferred email address and the internal name of
a list are identical -- which seems to be the correct solution to
problems like this.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 20:12:05 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 20:12:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Exim -odqr, Python's `own' SMTP, etc.
In-Reply-To: Ian Jackson's message of "Mon, 17 May 1999 13:12:45 +0100 (BST)"
References: <14144.1981.424286.97379@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <d6d909lwcy2.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Ian Jackson]

> So, what would be the canonical Python or Mailman way of doing this ?
> Enclose the body of TrySMTPDelivery in a big `if' ?  Move the body
> into a new function and turn TrySMTPDelivery into a layer of
> indirection ?

Whatever suits your fancy :)

> Is such a change likely to be accepted in any case, or will I have
> to maintain a local version (which means I'll try for the patch with
> the lowest changed-lines-count) ?

If we're opening up for MTA-specific delivery mechanisms (which I
personally am rather sceptical about), I think that the delivery
mechanisms should be redesigned, to be easily subclassable or
somesuch.

Adding ever more `if' tests and layers of indirection is the way to go
if you want to give another very well-known MLM a run for it's
code-readability-"money" ;) -- but I don't think that's where we want
Mailman to go.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 20:39:24 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 20:39:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need queue error help
In-Reply-To: John Lewis's message of "Mon, 17 May 1999 10:48:18 -0400"
References: <001d01bea074$5ef4bae0$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>
Message-ID: <d6d674pwboj.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[John Lewis]

> Greetings,
> 
> What does this error mean?  And how do I go about resolving it?

It means one of your queue files are corrupted -- and that Mailman's
croaking on it is a bad thing.

Resolving it is easiest done by removing the corrupted file -- here's
a (only lightly tested) patch to make Mailman log exactly what file(s)
that's corrupted (and continue to process the rest of the queue
files):

Index: OutgoingQueue.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /export/public/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py,v
retrieving revision 1.13
diff -u -r1.13 OutgoingQueue.py
--- OutgoingQueue.py	1999/02/27 17:05:54	1.13
+++ OutgoingQueue.py	1999/06/15 18:34:36
@@ -36,6 +36,7 @@
 # only one such process to happen at a time.
 #
 
+import sys
 import os
 import stat
 import marshal
@@ -117,10 +118,31 @@
             st[stat.ST_CTIME] > (time.time() - MAX_ACTIVE)):
             # then
             continue
-        f = open(full_fname,"r")
-        recip,sender,text = marshal.load(f)
-        f.close()
-        Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname)
+        try:
+            f = open(full_fname,"r")
+            recip,sender,text = marshal.load(f)
+            f.close()
+            Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname)
+            failure = None
+        except (# marshal.load() failed
+            EOFError, ValueError, TypeError,
+            # open() or close() failed
+            IOError):
+            failure = sys.exc_info()
+
+        if failure:
+            # Should we risk moving the queue file out of the way?  That
+            # might cause another exception, if the permissions are
+            # wrong enough...
+            t, v = failure[0], failure[1]
+            from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger
+            l = StampedLogger("error", "processQueue", immediate=1)
+            l.write("Processing of queue file %s failed:\n" % full_fname)
+            l.write("\t %s" % t)
+            if v:
+                l.write(' / %s' % v)
+            l.write('\n')
+            l.flush()
     lock_file.unlock()
 
 
-- 
Harald



From tgrace at thestar.ca  Tue Jun 15 20:52:15 1999
From: tgrace at thestar.ca (Grace, Terry)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:52:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] speaking of archiving ...
Message-ID: <B582FE6508F7D111B75D00A0C9B3F84D015959B2@MAIL1>

I don't know about anyone else but I've never been able to get arch to work
(b9 thru rc1). When run I get the following and no message is ever added to
the archive. I've tried setting the lists up as both public and private with
the same results. Ideas anyone?

#./arch test-list /test/LL990317.LOG
Pickling archive state into
/home/mailman/archives/private/test-list/pipermail.pck          

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Harald Meland
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:42 PM
To: Mitchell Marks
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] speaking of archiving ...


[Mitchell Marks]

> Two of the lists I will be migrating to Mailman already have a
> couple years of archives, built up by hypermail (on a different host
> from where the slist mail management is running).  Any suggestions
> on how to integrate the old archives with the new ones that
> Mailman+pipermail will be establishing?

You can import mbox-format archives into pipermail with the
$prefix/bin/arch script.

-- 
Harald

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 22:03:23 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 22:03:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail vs. envelope sender
In-Reply-To: Christopher Lindsey's message of "Tue, 25 May 1999 01:41:47 -0500 (CDT)"
References: <199905250641.BAA17240@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <d6dzp21ut84.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Christopher Lindsey]

> > You know, it looks like a LOT of people have this error, from looking at my
> > mailbox over the last month or so!  I have some ideas about why that is.
> 
> > Barry wrote that he couldn't reproduce it on his machine, so perhaps they
> > have turned it off in later versions... I am still on 8.8.7... Anyway, this
> > is the Sendmail that comes on the RedHat distribution... I think at least a
> > few people will have it.
> 
> It still happens in sendmail 8.9.3 for me, and yes, you are 100% right 
> about why it happens.

Urgh.

> > This is further explained on sendmail.org at the following URL:
> > http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.15
> 
> I personally feel that it's a bug on sendmail's part; according to the
> sendmail "bat" book, only aliases that use the 'include:' directive 
> have the envelope rewritten, yet it appears to happen with *any* 
> alias -- be it a pipe, redirect, or whatever.  

Yuck.

> > If the default behavior is left alone, at the very least this info should
> > make it into the documentation (under "Troubleshooting" in the "Why doesn't
> > member_posting_only work?").  If you go to the trouble of instructing
> > people how to turn off the envelope sender option, why not educate them
> > about the problem they're likely to be having first? 

Yup, I'll add some text explaining this sendmail feature.

> > I have removed all my owner-* aliases (actually, having learned my lesson
> > from the listproc days, I never put them in) and envelope sender works fine.
> 
> I'm not contesting that it works for you -- just wanted to get that
> clear first.  :)  However, I have had people send mail to owner-listname
> in the past because it's sort of an unofficial standard.

... but of course it is -- there's even an _sendmail feature_ to ease
implementation of it.  Blech.  Makes me wanna cry, really.

> Sorry.  I think I'm tired...  I just hate making exceptions for software that
> changes the rules...

Me too.  Nevertheless, here's a patch to try specialcasing away those
broken sendmail envelope addresses (and fall back to GetSender()).
The patch (at least) assumes that your "owner-" aliases are inserted
as output by bin/newlist, i.e.

  owner-listname:               listname-admin

I'm not using sendmail myself, so I can't verify whether this works at
all -- please let me know whatever your findings are.

Index: MailList.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /export/public/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py,v
retrieving revision 1.126
diff -u -r1.126 MailList.py
--- MailList.py	1999/06/15 07:50:54	1.126
+++ MailList.py	1999/06/15 19:52:37
@@ -1175,7 +1175,13 @@
         sender = None
         if mm_cfg.USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER:
             sender = msg.GetEnvelopeSender()
-        if not sender:
+        # Specialcase an ugly sendmail feature: If there exists an
+        # "owner-foo: bar" alias and sendmail receives mail for address
+        # "foo", sendmail will change the envelope sender of the message
+        # to "bar" before delivering.  This feature does not appear to
+        # be configurable.  *Boggle*.
+        if (not sender or sender[:len(self._internal_name)+6] ==
+            '%s-admin' % self._internal_name):
             sender = msg.GetSender()
 ##        sys.stderr.write('envsend: %s, sender: %s\n' %
 ##                         (msg.GetEnvelopeSender(), msg.GetSender()))

-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Tue Jun 15 22:13:37 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 15 Jun 1999 22:13:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Announce] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 1.0rc2
In-Reply-To: Joshua Levitsky's message of "Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:52:03 -0400"
References: <d6dk8t6zf0t.fsf@octarine.uio.no> <376692C3.A6B7C163@joshie.com>
Message-ID: <d6dwvx5usr2.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Joshua Levitsky]

> Should I have done a make install from rc1 to rc2?

Yes.  First "make install", then "make update" to fix any changed
internal structures (which in fact isn't necessary for rc1 -> rc2).

-- 
Harald



From bobg at zanshin.com  Tue Jun 15 22:22:01 1999
From: bobg at zanshin.com (Bob Glickstein)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing old archives?
Message-ID: <14182.46569.828351.434630@hiro.zanshin.com>

I have some mailing lists that I used to manage by hand but have now
arranged for Mailman to manage.  How can I import the old archives for
those lists (presently in V7 folder format, but I can convert 'em to
anything in a jiffy) into Mailman's new archives?

Thanks in advance,
- Bob



From richard at linsup.com  Tue Jun 15 22:26:34 1999
From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:26:34 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update vs Install
In-Reply-To: <376692C3.A6B7C163@joshie.com>
Message-ID: <000801beb76d$5c608420$22e423cb@perch.infoadv.com.au>

Josh -

After reading the INSTALL and UPGRADING files in rc2, I concluded that all I
needed to do was './configure' and then 'make install'.  This worked well
for me (I have a virgin install of rc1).

The note at the end of the 'make install' output said to do 'make upgrade'
which I then did. It spewed some confusing output about how my lists were
all OK - I concluded that 'make update' was for converting lists from an old
format that I don't have....

Regards,

Richard.

Richard Ames
linsup.com, Sydney, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9144-6131, Fax: +61 2 9144-6138
mailto:richard at linsup.com   http://www.linsup.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Joshua Levitsky
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 1999 3:52
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Announce] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman
> 1.0rc2
>
>
> Question....
>  I have 1.0rc1. I unpacked the archive and did a
>
> ./configure
>
> and then a
>
> make update
>
> It said it updated the mail lists. However on the web pages it says rc1.
> Is that ok? Should I have done a make install from rc1 to rc2?
>
> -Josh
>
>




From bora at employees.org  Tue Jun 15 22:41:40 1999
From: bora at employees.org (Matthew Kaing)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:41:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail
Message-ID: <000001beb76f$78e2b990$9d1c47ab@cisco.com>

Hi, I like to use mailman and qmail together.  Have anyone tested this and
how would I configure them to work together?

Thanks for your help,

Matthew Bora Kaing




From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Wed Jun 16 04:12:59 1999
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:12:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors after installing rc2
Message-ID: <19990616011300.1FC672780F@mail.kinfolk.org>

Since installing rc2 I am getting the following errors on some old 
lists (these messages are from the output of mailq). The same basic 
messages are in maillog.

I did run ./configure, make install, and make update.

I am running Redhat Linux 5.0 updated to kernel 2.0.35 and postfix 
19990601.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Jun 15 18:59:45 ns postfix/local[8478]: 9FFC727805: 
to=<mlist7 at kinfolk.org>, relay=local, delay=516, status=deferred 
(Command died with status 1: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post pyne-
family". Command output: Traceback (innermost last):   File 
"/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?     mlist.Post(msg, 
approved=fromusenet)   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 
1179, in Post     sender = msg.GetSender()   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 119, in GetSender     return 
string.lower(mail_address) TypeError: read-only buffer, None )  

Jun 15 18:59:45 ns postfix/local[8481]: 4C99027806: 
to=<mlist2 at kinfolk.org>, relay=local, delay=480, status=deferred 
(Command died with status 1: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post barker-
family". Command output: Traceback (innermost last):   File 
"/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?     mlist.Post(msg, 
approved=fromusenet)   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 
1179, in Post     sender = msg.GetSender()   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 119, in GetSender     return 
string.lower(mail_address) TypeError: read-only buffer, None )  

Jun 15 18:59:45 ns postfix/local[8482]: DCD652780C: 
to=<mlist4 at kinfolk.org>, relay=local, delay=283, status=deferred 
(Command died with status 1: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ottley-
family". Command output: Traceback (innermost last):   File 
"/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?      
mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1179, in Post     sender = 
msg.GetSender()   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 119, 
in GetSender     return string.lower(mail_address) TypeError: read-
only buffer, None )


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Wed Jun 16 07:19:36 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:19:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail
In-Reply-To: <000001beb76f$78e2b990$9d1c47ab@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990616071936.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

On 15-Jun-99 Matthew Kaing wrote:
> Hi, I like to use mailman and qmail together.  Have anyone tested this and
> how would I configure them to work together?

have a look at README.QMAIL in the source distribution ...

ps: maybe there should be a README.EXIM too (i believe there's an explanation
somewhere in the archive)

Ricardo.
--



From rsr at inorganic.org  Wed Jun 16 11:36:21 1999
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:36:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MMBadEmailError (I think)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990616022832.12658A-100000@shrike>

An inauspicious beginning.

I'm trying to install and configure mailman 1.0rc2  on a machine
running Solaris 2.6 with qmail.  For what it's worth, it's a fresh
machine and I've been a qmail user for, oh, about two hours :).
Python is at 1.5.2

When I try to add a mailing list, I get some Python errors (this
seems to be an argument for not using tools written in a language I
don't know):

---
46 fold ~/bin > ./newlist
Enter the name of the list: testlist
Enter the email of the person running the list: rsr   
Initial testlist password: f00bar
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./newlist", line 141, in ?
    raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv))
  File "./newlist", line 91, in main
    newlist.Create(list_name, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 717, in Create
   Utils.ValidateEmail(admin)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 292, in ValidateEmail
    raise Errors.MMBadEmailError
Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError
47 fold ~/bin >
---

Any ideas how I can track this down?

-roy




From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Wed Jun 16 14:56:13 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo - Miss Janet. Fanclub)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:56:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MMBadEmailError (I think)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990616022832.12658A-100000@shrike>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906161453270.232-100000@miss-janet.com>

On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Roy Rapoport wrote:

> 46 fold ~/bin > ./newlist
> Enter the name of the list: testlist
> Enter the email of the person running the list: rsr   

try rsr at inorganic.org instead... i guess mailman needs to know the
domainname too (which is understandable since mail is being send
through smtp)

Ricardo.
--




From th at nextel.no  Wed Jun 16 14:59:55 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:59:55 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions problems
In-Reply-To: <d6dso7twfos.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9906161457400.18621-100000@opus.nextel.no>

I had the same problems too, going from 1.0b9 to rc2; I finally got fed
up and reinstalled, making sure I had copies of the various mailing list
archives.

For some reason, mailman INSISTED on sending all mail to the list-admin of
a list when a subscribed member sent mail to the list. (Ouch, bad English
there, but I hope you got my meaning.)

Regards,

Tor Houghton.

On 15 Jun 1999, Harald Meland wrote:

> [Richard B. Pyne]
> 
> > Every time I have installed a new update, I have had to spend
> > litterally hours fighting with permissions issues.
> 
> As far as I can remember, it has worked for me -- every time.  More
> explicit reports on exactly what went wrong are, of course, most
> welcome.
> 
> > PLEASE if the install scripts can't be made to set permissions and
> > ownership correctly then at least document CLEARLY who needs to own
> > what and what permissions are necessary.
> 
> I'm hoping to have the time to create an auto-permission-checker.  I
> guess that most of the time needed to make such a beast will be spent
> thinking through exactly the things you want documented -- the hard
> part being not to go making invalid assumptions on what
> users/groups/filesystem features/whatever are available/in use on any
> particular system.
> 
> -- 
> Harald
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From zzassgl at swirl.mcc.ac.uk  Wed Jun 16 17:02:41 1999
From: zzassgl at swirl.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:02:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris Installations
Message-ID: <199906161502.QAA16635@swirl.mcc.ac.uk>

There has been a couple of cries for help in installing mailman on Solaris
systems.  I too had some problems with permissions and log files not being
created during installation of rc1 on a Sol 2.6 system with Python 1.5.2.

I'm in the fortunate position of performing an initial install so I can't
help with anyone upgrading from a previous release.

I have found that it is _vital_ that the entire installation process be
performed _as_ the mailman user _within_ the mailman home directory. The
suggestion that you install "under your own login, or whatever account you
typically install software as" is misleading under Solaris (though the
advise not to do the installation as root is still very important.)

So, follow the INSTALL instructions up to part 2 then move the entire
mailman-1.0rc2 distribution directory into /home/mailman (or whatever the
home for the user is called.) Now follow the installation instructions to
the letter.

The result is, for me, a working installation with no permission problems
and all the logfiles are created and writable as expected.

-- 
Geoff. Lane. |     Automagical Incantator Digitus     | Manchester Computing




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun 16 19:03:24 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 16 Jun 1999 19:03:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknow user
In-Reply-To: Jason's message of "Fri, 21 May 1999 13:39:16 -0400"
References: <004101bea3b0$d96689e0$d300000a@jkusnier.voyager.net>
Message-ID: <d6dogigrsbn.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Jason]

> every time i email to my subscribe address that mailman gives me,

Are you referring to the "list creation message" that
$prefix/bin/newlist mails to the list's administrator?

> it comes back unknown user.  what am i missing here???

You haven't made your MTA aware of the new addresses that bin/newmail
asks the site admin to define (how you define new addresses is haghly
MTA dependant, so I can't explain all of that here).

If you're using sendmail, adding the aliasfile lines bin/newmail to
your /etc/aliases file, and then running "newaliases" should
_probably_ suffice -- but it really depends on how your sendmail has
been set up.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun 16 19:11:40 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 16 Jun 1999 19:11:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nesting lists
In-Reply-To: Dan Busarow's message of "Fri, 21 May 1999 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT)"
References: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990521124524.25485G-100000@java.dpcsys.com>
Message-ID: <d6dlndkrrxv.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Dan Busarow]

> On Fri, 21 May 1999, Dominic Martinelli wrote:
> > However, I ran into one major problem.
> > 
> > I am in the process of trying to migrate a complicated sendmail alias scheme
> > to mailman. Currently we have a hierarchy of aliases. For example, a top
> > level alias will point to lower level ones.
> > 
> > The problem that I have is that when I nest lists with mailman, if someone
> > is on more than one of the bottom level lists, they will get duplicate 
> > messages. Is there anyway for mailman not to send out duplicates in this case?
> > 
> > Also, it is not possible to not have people on more than one of the lower
> > level lists, so making sure that there are not duplicates is not an option.
> 
> Try lowering MAX_SPAWNS (1 should almost certainly work) and/or
> raising SMTP_MAX_RCPTS
> 
> You need to let sendmail see the duplicates and sort it out.

This won't help, if I understand the problem correctly.

If all your "leaf" alias entries point to separate Mailman lists,
sendmail will consider each Mailman list a separate destination.  Now,
if the intersection of the member sets of two Mailman lists aren't
always empty, Mailman would have to have some sort of inter-list
internal communication to avoid the addresses inside the intersections
getting duplicate mail.

Currently there are no inter-list communication inside Mailman.  There
have been some talk of adding support for this for post-1.0 (but I
can't remember whether any of the ideas presented was generally agreed
upon to be truly good ones).
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun 16 19:48:17 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 16 Jun 1999 19:48:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Patch itself]
In-Reply-To: Bernhard Reiter's message of "Sat, 22 May 1999 04:12:56 +0200"
References: <19990522041256.A6924@genba.ffii.org>
Message-ID: <d6diu8orq8u.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Bernhard Reiter]

> Of course I forgot to attach the patch, to the last mail. Sorry.

Thanks for the patch -- but, having tried it out, I really liked the
look&feel of the Details better the way they were.

I'll try to justify this a bit:

  When specifying an explicit window target for the details links,
  I'll only get _one_ specific details window (unless I middle-click
  on a link to tell my Netscape "ignore the window target for this
  link, but open it in a new window").

  However, if all links are made to be without window targets, I'll
  either have to go back and forth between details and the admin page
  (when left-clicking), or I'll get a total clutter of separate
  details windows (when middle-clicking).

As for the "Warning!  Don't change this option here!" part of the
patch, I think a) the fact it states is pretty obvious, as there is no
submit button on the page, and b) it adds unwanted visual clutter to
an otherwise beautiful details page ;)

[ All of this should probably be a per-admin configurable option --
  but we won't have separate admin authentication until after 1.0, so
  I'd rather leave everything as it is for now. ]

Let me know if my reasoning is wrong/stupid/fascist/implying that I'm
a control freak :)
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun 16 20:23:30 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 16 Jun 1999 20:23:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exception in ScanMessage for MIME messages with missing boundary
In-Reply-To: Ian Jackson's message of "Mon, 24 May 1999 10:50:24 +0100 (BST)"
References: <14153.8416.996349.433611@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <d6dg13srom5.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Ian Jackson]

> (Is this the right place to report bugs ?)

The preferred way of reporting is to use the Mailman Jitterbug
interface at <URL:http://www.python.org/mailman-bugs/>.

> One of the lists on my system received a bounce with an empty body,
> but with Content-Type: multipart/report.  When Mailman tried to parse
> it it got an exception because it couldn't find the message boundary.

Here's a quick patch:

Index: Bouncer.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /export/public/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py,v
retrieving revision 1.32
diff -u -r1.32 Bouncer.py
--- Bouncer.py	1999/03/10 13:10:14	1.32
+++ Bouncer.py	1999/06/16 18:22:21
@@ -332,7 +332,12 @@
                                         '"[^"]+"')[1][1:-1]
 
 	if boundry:
-	    relevant_text = string.split(msg.body, '--%s' % boundry)[1]
+	    relevant_text = string.split(msg.body, '--%s' % boundry)
+            # Invalid MIME messages shouldn't cause exceptions
+            if len(relevant_text) >= 2:
+                relevant_text = relevant_text[1]
+            else:
+                relevant_text = relevant_text[0]
 	else:
 	    # This looks strange, but at least 2 are going to be no-ops.
 	    relevant_text = regsub.split(msg.body,
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Wed Jun 16 20:33:14 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 16 Jun 1999 20:33:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-problems
In-Reply-To: arety@dolphinics.no's message of "Wed, 26 May 1999 15:41:41 +0200"
References: <199905261341.PAA00142@scimitar.dolphinics.no>
Message-ID: <d6dd7ywro5x.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[arety at dolphinics.no]

> The list is up and running, but some users have strange mailers which
> replies with 'Ad: ' or 'SV: ' instead of 'Re: '. Mailman is good in not
> adding [listname] on replies, as long they use the 'Re: '. Is there any
> way of adding support for 'Ad: ', 'SV: ' or anything like that?

I don't think so -- these are the much hated "internationalized" reply
subject prefixes some MUA vendors decided their users needed.

As there are quite a lot of different languages out there, and as
trying to be smart about these prefixes sooner or later will backfire
(i.e. someone used a "SV:" prefix to indicate something other than a
reply), I believe it best for Mailman to stay out of this snakepit.

> I see the same problem when the subject-line is mime-encoded because
> some use non-ascii characters (which also is ugly in the archive).

Hmmmm.... I think it would be unwise to make Mailman dependent on any
MIME-parsing python modules at this time, as the potential for
screwups is rather big (and we'd _really_ like to get 1.0 out soon).

However, in theory, Mailman could decode these headers before checking
whether the list prefix is present.  Which means this is yet another
post-1.0 improvement to make...
-- 
Harald



From listadm at metaphor.unh.edu  Wed Jun 16 22:08:37 1999
From: listadm at metaphor.unh.edu (The List Server Administrator at UNH)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internationalization (was Reply-problems)
In-Reply-To: <d6dd7ywro5x.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.02.9906161557420.19744-100000@metaphor.unh.edu>

    arety at dolphinics.no recently posted regarding non-english versions of
    "RE:' in the subject line:

> ... [S]ome users have strange mailers which
> replies with 'Ad: ' or 'SV: ' instead of 'Re: '. Mailman is good in not
> adding [listname] on replies, as long they use the 'Re: '. Is there any
> way of adding support for 'Ad: ', 'SV: ' or anything like that?

    Harald Meland <Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no> observed:

> I don't think so -- these are the much hated "internationalized" reply
> subject prefixes some MUA vendors decided their users needed.
> 
> As there are quite a lot of different languages out there, and as
> trying to be smart about these prefixes sooner or later will backfire...

    I agree that trying to build this into the server would not be
    a good idea.  But I do think this would be a good thing to add to
    the list of "internationalization features" for future version.  Just
    as a Spanish speaking site should be able to change all of the 
    Mailman messages and text to meet local requirements, recognition of
    things such as "RE:" detection could be parameterized so that the
    local site could change it as they feel appropriate.

    Actually something that is relatively easy to do with ListProc is
    to change the default system welcome message sent out on a
    list-per-list basis.  I'm not talking about the list owner welcome,
    but rather the generic welcome maintained by the site admin.  It
    thus is a simple matter to identify a given list as being a "Spanish
    Language" list, and thus have a different global welcome file be
    used.  (Unfortunately the ListProc messages themselves are hardcoded.)

    My point is, it might be worthwhile to have localization be
    configurable on a list-by-list basis since I have seen list server
    sites that support both English and Spanish language lists on the
    same server.


                                           Cordially,
                                           The List Server Admin
                                           list.admin at unh.edu
                                           (currently Bill Costa)





From bernhard at uwm.edu  Wed Jun 16 23:33:16 1999
From: bernhard at uwm.edu (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:33:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Patch itself]
In-Reply-To: <d6diu8orq8u.fsf@octarine.uio.no>; from Harald Meland on Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 07:48:17PM +0200
References: <19990522041256.A6924@genba.ffii.org> <d6diu8orq8u.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <19990616163316.B28652@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

Harald:

First I like to thank your for the answer and the work on mailman 
in general.

On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 07:48:17PM +0200, Harald Meland wrote:
> Thanks for the patch -- but, having tried it out, I really liked the
> look&feel of the Details better the way they were.

It is non-standard and I think there are real arguments about
what is better. In short your points don't convince me. :)
You have to think about the most common users of this interface
and not about your preferences, being the author.

I still defend my position that the other way should be default.

>   When specifying an explicit window target for the details links,
>   I'll only get _one_ specific details window (unless I middle-click
>   on a link to tell my Netscape "ignore the window target for this
>   link, but open it in a new window").
> 
>   However, if all links are made to be without window targets, I'll
>   either have to go back and forth between details and the admin page
>   (when left-clicking), or I'll get a total clutter of separate
>   details windows (when middle-clicking).

Jakob Nielson lists opening another browser window in The Top
Ten New Mistakes of Web Design (http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html).

I know that most of his arguments presented there do not fit the case 
of the mailman configuration screen. 
But furthermore some arguments against frames strike the sitiuation.

Users generally don't like to leave one level of navigation.
Frames and Autorasing of windows do this. 
There is a tendency to confuse users and a slowdown.

> As for the "Warning!  Don't change this option here!" part of the
> patch, I think a) the fact it states is pretty obvious, as there is no
> submit button on the page, and b) it adds unwanted visual clutter to
> an otherwise beautiful details page ;)

a) 1) There a forms, where you don't need a submit button to submit the
	information. Pressing enter or return is sufficient.  
	The selectable and changeble dialog indicates that I can 
	change something.

   2) It was not even me, who was surprised by that, but actually other
	users considered that a flaw.

   3) If pressing return there is actually a page loaded and it is
	timeconsuming to find out, that the changes were not made.

b) 1) There is no way of real visual design on webpages. This is a
	common misconception, because all screens and browsers look
	different. (Think webtv, handheld devices or disabled people.)
	So an argument based on visual beauty is hard to make.

    
> [ All of this should probably be a per-admin configurable option --
>   but we won't have separate admin authentication until after 1.0, so
>   I'd rather leave everything as it is for now. ]
You might want consider putting the patch in the archive with these
mailis to give people the choise of correcting this bug. ;)

Regards,
	Bernhard

-- 
Research Assistant, Geog Dept UM-Milwaukee, USA.         (www.uwm.edu/~bernhard)
Funding/Promoting Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure (ffii.org)
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From richarde at eskom.co.za  Thu Jun 17 11:10:06 1999
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:10:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Holding subscription requests based on regex
Message-ID: <s768d794.012@eskom.co.za>

I have asked this question before, but got no responses.

Is it possible to hold a subscription request to a list (via the web or e-mail) based on a regex. I played around with the 

Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp

But this setting does just that - it catches posts. I do not even want people being able to subscribe to the list under certain circumstances (ie, they do not belong to our domain). A simple solution would be to have posts to list-request addresses also to be affected by the Hold post settings.


--
Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za




From jlewis at prospace.org  Thu Jun 17 15:36:25 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (prospace-jlewis)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:36:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help - how can I repair this?
Message-ID: <006101beb8c6$6618a880$465e8f80@comm.virginia.edu>

Help, I just sent a mailing to a big list (19,000) users.  The machine
locked up, and on rebooting, this is what I get when using mailman to access
the list:

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
    lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 778, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, ('Failed to unmarshal config info: '
TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands

What/where should I look to resolve what happened and get things back up and
running.  The other lists on the machine seem to be doing fine.
Mailman 1.0rc2
Linux 6.0 (intel)
The list's address is:
http://www.prospace.org/mailman/listinfo/prospace-alert

Thanks.
John Lewis
ProSpace volunteer webmaster and mailinglist manager






From herick at eworldmusic.com  Thu Jun 17 18:26:12 1999
From: herick at eworldmusic.com (Herick Moniz)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different message template per lists
Message-ID: <Pine.MAC.4.10.9906171222560.4993-100000@www.eworldmusic.com>

Hi,

I like to know if it is possible to setup Mailman in such a way that the
Welcome message as well as the other templates are selected on a per list
basis. I need this because I like to have lists that are in french with
french instructions and lists in english with english instructions.


Thanks,


Herick




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Thu Jun 17 18:53:38 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 17 Jun 1999 18:53:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-in-list inclusions, "mixed" lists
In-Reply-To: Trevor Johnson's message of "Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:23:46 -0400 (EDT)"
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990610030745.6123A-100000@blues.jpj.net>
Message-ID: <d6demjarcod.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Trevor Johnson]

> Mitch Marks writes:
> 
> > The interesting settings about sending password reminders to "-owner" 
> > addresses instead of unmodified member addresses seem very useful for 
> > *completely* umbrella lists, whose members are only other lists.  But I 
> > didn't see a way to selectively mark members one way or the other.  Any 
> > suggestions?

Not any really good ones, but here's a try:

If list "foobar" has both user and list members, you could make lists
"foobar-lists" and "foobar-users", and make their addresses the only
members on "foobar".  User addresses then go on "foobar-users", and
list members on "foobar-lists".  "foobar" and "foobar-lists" are pure
umbrella lists.  All these three lists could be set up to have the
same subject prefix.

> (Or can this go under "enhancement requests"?)

Yes, I for one would like to take the "include additional members from
<source>" stuff up for review post-1.0.

> Anyone who has access to the Web (probably the great majority of
> subscribers) can have their password mailed via the Web form.  I'd suggest
> just turning off the reminders.

This has the problem that anyone could "pretend" to be a list member
and have the list's password mailed to the list.

> If the password were included in the response to a "help" command,
> then there would be no need at all for the reminders.

I posted a patch for making the "password" mail command return the
users password when given without any arguments.

> > 	Subject: Re: [List 1] [List 2] Re [List 2] [List 1] Re [List 1] 
> > [List2]  The Original Topic
> 
> The way majordomo deals with this is that if the token appears anywhere in
> the subject, a new one doesn't get added.

... which happens to be exactly what Mailman does (even though I
confess to having messed this up in rc2, see simple patch in
<URL:http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-June/001464.html>).
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Thu Jun 17 19:28:21 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 17 Jun 1999 19:28:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internationalization (was Reply-problems)
In-Reply-To: The List Server Administrator's message of "Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT)"
References: <Pine.OSF.4.02.9906161557420.19744-100000@metaphor.unh.edu>
Message-ID: <d6dbteerb2i.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[The List Server Administrator at UNH]

>     I agree that trying to build this into the server would not be
>     a good idea.  But I do think this would be a good thing to add to
>     the list of "internationalization features" for future version.

As Mailman does absolutely _no_ munging of "Re:" subject prefixes
today, I don't see why it should try to do anything with
language-specific versions of this prefix, either.  This is really a
_client_ problem.

Trying to be smart about these things on the server _will_ backfire.

What site- og list-specific message filters will do to messages they
get fed (in post-1.0 Mailman), however, is not something Mailman can
be held responsible for.  So, if someone wants to do something like

  perl -ple '$_ = "Subject: Re: $3" if m/^subject:\s*((re|sv|ad):\s*)+(.*)/i'
               

they're welcome to do so in a home-made filter (but don't blame
Mailman when this filter mangles a messages Subject in a way it
shouldn't have done).

>     My point is, it might be worthwhile to have localization be
>     configurable on a list-by-list basis since I have seen list
>     server sites that support both English and Spanish language
>     lists on the same server.

On this I agree completely.
-- 
Harald



From rsr at inorganic.org  Fri Jun 18 09:45:34 1999
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:45:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failed to access config info? [problems w/ qmail]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990618004344.4028D-100000@shrike>

I'm attempting to use mailman using qmail and running into some
problems.

My suspicion is that it's based on the fact that while sendmail runs
under UID 0 -- meaning it has no permission problems EVER -- qmail
is running under the qmaill userID -- a regular user.  In either
case, I'm getting the following errors in my log:
---
Jun 18 00:39:15 fold qmail: 929691555.091267 status: local 4/10 remote 1/20
Jun 18 00:39:16 fold qmail: 929691556.494957 delivery 45: deferral:
Traceback_(i
nnermost_last):/__File_"/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner",_line_42,_in_?/____mlis
t_=_MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_l
ine_60,_in___init__/____self.Load()/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_
line_771,_in_Load/____raise_Errors.MMBadListError,_'Failed_to_access_config_info
'/MMBadListError:_Failed_to_access_config_info/
Jun 18 00:39:16 fold qmail: 929691556.495496 status: local 3/10 remote 1/20
Jun 18 00:39:16 fold qmail: 929691556.512682 delivery 43: deferral:
Traceback_(innermost_last):/__File_"/home/mailman/scripts/post",_line_45,_in_?/____mlist_=_M
ailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_6
0,_in___init__/____self.Load()/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_
771,_in_Load/____raise_Errors.MMBadListError,_'Failed_to_access_config_info'/MMB
adListError:_Failed_to_access_config_info/
Jun 18 00:39:16 fold qmail: 929691556.513190 status: local 2/10 remote 1/20
Jun 18 00:39:16 fold qmail: 929691556.671985 delivery 46: deferral:
Traceback_(innermost_last):/__File_"/home/mailman/scripts/post",_line_45,_in_?/____mlist_=_M
ailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_6
0,_in___init__/____self.Load()/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_
771,_in_Load/____raise_Errors.MMBadListError,_'Failed_to_access_config_info'/MMB
adListError:_Failed_to_access_config_info/
Jun 18 00:39:16 fold qmail: 929691556.672596 status: local 1/10 remote 1/20
Jun 18 00:39:16 fold qmail: 929691556.717041 delivery 47: deferral:
Traceback_(innermost_last):/__File_"/home/mailman/scripts/post",_line_45,_in_?/____mlist_=_M
ailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_6
0,_in___init__/____self.Load()/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_
771,_in_Load/____raise_Errors.MMBadListError,_'Failed_to_access_config_info'/MMB
adListError:_Failed_to_access_config_info/
---

-roy




From rsr at inorganic.org  Fri Jun 18 11:42:32 1999
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:42:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Failed to access config info? [problems w/ qmail]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990618004344.4028D-100000@shrike>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990618024017.7262B-100000@shrike>

On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Roy Rapoport wrote:
> I'm attempting to use mailman using qmail and running into some
> problems.
> 
> My suspicion is that it's based on the fact that while sendmail runs
> under UID 0 -- meaning it has no permission problems EVER -- qmail
> is running under the qmaill userID -- a regular user.  In either
> case, I'm getting the following errors in my log:

Sorry for the followup, but this looks like it's fixed now.  What I did to
fix it:
A) Manually touched ~mailman/logs/error and ~mailman/logs/post
B) chmod'ed 777 the two files above.
C) Made mail/wrapper mode 6755 (so it's setuid also)

This seems to have gotten me to the point where:
A) list administration via the web works;
B) email to the list is going through and out.

The only problem remaining is that mass subscribes of users do not result in
all the users getting the welcome message.  ARGH!

Boy, this was so much easier on sendmail.

-roy




From rsr at inorganic.org  Fri Jun 18 13:34:28 1999
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 04:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DONE! (was Re: Failed to access config info? [problems w/ qmail])
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990618024017.7262B-100000@shrike>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990618042833.9353A-100000@shrike>

This should be my last email for *at least* two days -- I think I'm
done :)

On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Roy Rapoport wrote:
> The only problem remaining is that mass subscribes of users do not result in
> all the users getting the welcome message.  ARGH!

This was pretty bizarre.  I think I traced it down to some VERY
anomalous behavior on the part of my operating system (Solaris 2.6
on a clone Ultra 1).  Specifically:

Take user A and user B.  Make them both members of group C.

Make a directory.  Make it owned by user A and group C.  Make
permissions read,write,execute for both user and group, and
non-write for others.

Now, here's where things get very very annoying:
On the following machines:
	Solaris 2.5.1, Sparc 2
	Solaris 7, Ultra 5
	Solaris 2.6, Ultra 5
user B can go into the directory and create a file (touch foo).  No
problem.  This is as I would understand UNIX file permissions.
On the following machine:
	Solaris 2.6, Ultra 1 clone
User B gets "touch: foo cannot create".

For what it's worth, there are no patch differences between the
U5/2.6 combination above and the 2.6 on this machine.  There's some
packages to support the different hardware, and my guess is this is
where the problem occurs.

I originally solved this by changing the wrappers (admin and
wrapper) to be setuid, in addition to setgid, but this was stopping
outgoing mail from getting sent out; my guess is qmail was being
paranoid.  

I just reinstalled mailman (you do *NOT* want to know how many times
I've reinstalled mailman over the last 24 hours :) ), and left
permissions alone other than changing all directories to permission
777.  Not ideal, of course, but it looks like now everything really
is working.  

Sigh.  I'll be talking to Sun support tomorrow and seeing if they
have a clue.

-roy






From lars at larsshack.org  Sat Jun 19 00:40:29 1999
From: lars at larsshack.org (Lars Kellogg-Stedman)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:40:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman scripts hanging...
Message-ID: <E10v7JF-0002Aq-00@mx.larsshack.org>

Howdy all,

This may in fact be a python problem, but since python was installed just
so that I can try out mailman I'm not all that familiar with it.

All the mailman scripts appear to hang; this results in a python process
hanging around that starts to ramp up the system load.  I'm running RedHat
(6.0) on a Sparcstation 2, so things get pretty slow when the load goes
up.

python runs by itself just fine (i.e., one gets the interactive prompt),
and even runs trivial scripts (think "hello, world").

Trying to run, for instance, mmsitepass in verbose mode yields a bunch of
output that means nothing to me, but maybe it will mean something to you.
Rather than swamping you with all of it, here's where it stops:

  # /usr/lib/python1.5/string.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/string.py
  import string # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/string.pyc
  import strop # dynamically loaded from
  /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/stropmodule.so
  # /usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py
  import posixfile # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.pyc

And that's all there is.

If you've run into this problem and know a solution I'd love to hear it.
Alternately, if you're sure this is exclusively a python problem, let me
know and I'll go seek assistance elsewhere.

In any case, thanks for taking the time to help out.

-- Lars

-- 
Lars Kellogg-Stedman <lars at larsshack.org>




From rsr at inorganic.org  Sat Jun 19 06:42:01 1999
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:42:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Munging
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990618214027.28958E-100000@shrike>

Looks like my lists are correctl prepending a TAG to the subject
line when configured to do so.

But it looks like when people respond to email, mailman doesn't
bother to filter out the old occurances of the TAG.  So in other
words:

Someone sends an email to the list titled 'foo'.
List gets subject 'TAG foo'
Someone responds with 'Re: TAG foo'
List gets 'TAG Re: TAG foo'

etc.

Is this correct behavior? Am I missing a config switch or something?

-roy




From tabbott at intekom.com  Sat Jun 19 19:59:52 1999
From: tabbott at intekom.com (Tony Abbott)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:59:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Munging
References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990618214027.28958E-100000@shrike>
Message-ID: <376BDA98.8AB10554@intekom.com>

This is a bug. I seem to remember a patch being posted quite recently
for this. Check the archives.

-t

Roy Rapoport wrote:
> 
> Looks like my lists are correctl prepending a TAG to the subject
> line when configured to do so.
> 
> But it looks like when people respond to email, mailman doesn't
> bother to filter out the old occurances of the TAG.  So in other
> words:
> 
> Someone sends an email to the list titled 'foo'.
> List gets subject 'TAG foo'
> Someone responds with 'Re: TAG foo'
> List gets 'TAG Re: TAG foo'
> 
> etc.
> 
> Is this correct behavior? Am I missing a config switch or something?
> 
> -roy
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 

    Tony Abbott					tabbott at intekom.co.za
    Systems Administrator, Intekom		Tel: +27-11-266-7800
    http://www.intekom.co.za			Fax: +27-11-315-0707

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From fisherj at cableregina.com  Sat Jun 19 20:04:28 1999
From: fisherj at cableregina.com (Jeff Fisher)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:04:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: in the subject line
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990619120428.031f75c0@cableregina.com>

Hi, I was wondering if there is any way to automatically strip excessive
Re:'s and such when people reply to e-mails on the list? On a list I run,
there are usually alot of replies to e-mails and after 2 or 3, the subject
line is filled with this sort of stuff:

Subject: Eggheads: RE: Eggheads: optional delay for autoops
Subject: Eggheads: Re: Eggheads: Re: Eggheads: optional delay for autoops
etc...

Jeff






--
Jeff Fisher <fisherj at cableregina.com>
guppy @ Undernet :: #eggdrop #saskatchewan





From kevin at lumiere.net  Sat Jun 19 21:41:48 1999
From: kevin at lumiere.net (Kevin)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:41:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news gateways
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191236470.39815-100000@leaf.lumiere.net>

Can someone point me to examples of Mailman mail-to-news gateways that I
could check out?

Thanks,

Kevin Shrieve
kevin at lumiere.net




From hallewellt at rfa.org  Mon Jun 21 05:09:40 1999
From: hallewellt at rfa.org (Tom Hallewell)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:09:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper error
Message-ID: <376DACF4.D0942277@rfa.org>

Mailman has been working great for several months until I made a couple
of changes on the server.
I had been getting tons of mail errors because the hostname was actually
an ALIAS according to DNS, so I changed the hostname to the CNAME and
stopped getting the errors.  Around that same time, I upgraded to RedHat
6.0.   Somewhere along the line, I started getting this error everytime
anyone tries to post to any of our lists:

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post be-install"
    (expanded from: <be-install at techops.rfa.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post be-install"... Service unavailable

Reading between the lines :), it appears that for some reason sendmail
is no longer allowing wrappers.  Any ideas?
-- 
Tom Hallewell
Lead Technical Engineer
Radio Free Asia

(202) 530-4976
2025 M St. NW Suite 300
Washington, DC
20036
USA



From brown9 at niehs.nih.gov  Mon Jun 21 05:29:01 1999
From: brown9 at niehs.nih.gov (Lance A. Brown)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:29:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper error 
In-Reply-To: <376DACF4.D0942277@rfa.org> 
References: <376DACF4.D0942277@rfa.org>
Message-ID: <6534.929935741@splat.niehs.nih.gov>

Greetings,

This is in interaction between new levels of security present in the
sendmail shipped with RH 6.0 and mailman.  The wrapper program need to 
be linked into /etc/smrsh in order to allow sendmail to run it.

--[Lance]



From z at singtel.telcosucks.org  Mon Jun 21 06:10:59 1999
From: z at singtel.telcosucks.org (z at singtel.telcosucks.org)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:10:59 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper error
In-Reply-To: <376DACF4.D0942277@rfa.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906211208520.943-100000@pspo1.ps.com.sg>

On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Tom Hallewell wrote:

> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:09:40 -0400
> 
> Mailman has been working great for several months until I made a couple
> of changes on the server.
> I had been getting tons of mail errors because the hostname was actually
> an ALIAS according to DNS, so I changed the hostname to the CNAME and
> stopped getting the errors.  Around that same time, I upgraded to RedHat
> 6.0.   Somewhere along the line, I started getting this error everytime
> anyone tries to post to any of our lists:
> 
>     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post be-install"
>     (expanded from: <be-install at techops.rfa.org>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post be-install"... Service unavailable
> 
> Reading between the lines :), it appears that for some reason sendmail
> is no longer allowing wrappers.  Any ideas?

The sendmail shipped with Redhat 6.0 has added security in that it doesn't
allow you to execute any external software unless they are specified by
smrsh. So, what you need to do is type in /etc/smrsh directory
"ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper" and everything should automagically be
working as they used to be. :-)

Regards,
Daniel




From jolsen at ptc.com  Mon Jun 21 09:46:59 1999
From: jolsen at ptc.com (Jens K. Olsen)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:46:59 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of HTML headers, etc.
References: <199906210731.DAA13489@python.org>
Message-ID: <376DEDF3.B5F50BFD@ptc.com>

I have just set up mailman and done a little testing. One thing that
bothers me is all the HTML headers and footers in the archive when
sending HTML formated e-mail from Netscape.


Is NOT sending HTML formated e-mail the only solution to love this
problem?
Or can the headers and footers (electronic name card) be eliminated?

THanks



From jolsen at ptc.com  Mon Jun 21 09:50:36 1999
From: jolsen at ptc.com (Jens K. Olsen)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:50:36 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong address from sender.
References: <199906210731.DAA13489@python.org>
Message-ID: <376DEECC.54F40C7E@ptc.com>

I have just set up mailman and done a little testing.

My companys e-mail server is on xxx.com
My e-mail server and mailman is on ae-165.xxx.com.

For what ever reason, all the e-mails from the list are addressed
list at xxx.com rather than list at ae-165.xxx.com. This means that I can not
do a reply-to-sender, abut I have to manually input the correct e-mail
address every time.

Any ideas about what I have done wrong?



From dcinege at psychosis.com  Mon Jun 21 11:09:45 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:09:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of HTML headers, etc.
References: <199906210731.DAA13489@python.org> <376DEDF3.B5F50BFD@ptc.com>
Message-ID: <376E0159.43830D74@psychosis.com>

"Jens K. Olsen" wrote:
> 
> I have just set up mailman and done a little testing. One thing that
> bothers me is all the HTML headers and footers in the archive when
> sending HTML formated e-mail from Netscape.

Anyone who sends html to a mailing list should be beaten unmercifully.

-- 
http://www.linuxrouter.org/     Linux Router Project

Over 750,000 people are now in jail for consensual 'crimes'. 2 million more
are now on parole or probation. 4 million more will be arrested this year.
Would someone please remind how 'free' America is again?



From jolsen at ptc.com  Mon Jun 21 11:18:49 1999
From: jolsen at ptc.com (Jens K. Olsen)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:18:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of HTML headers, etc.
References: <199906210731.DAA13489@python.org> <376DEDF3.B5F50BFD@ptc.com> <376E0159.43830D74@psychosis.com>
Message-ID: <376E0379.EFD2B422@ptc.com>

> > I have just set up mailman and done a little testing. One thing that
> > bothers me is all the HTML headers and footers in the archive when
> > sending HTML formated e-mail from Netscape.
> 
> Anyone who sends html to a mailing list should be beaten unmercifully.
> 
I agree, but that doesn't mean that it won't happen !



From z at singtel.telcosucks.org  Mon Jun 21 17:00:27 1999
From: z at singtel.telcosucks.org (z at singtel.telcosucks.org)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:00:27 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of HTML headers, etc.
In-Reply-To: <376E0379.EFD2B422@ptc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906212259380.943-100000@pspo1.ps.com.sg>

Or perhaps, if it's really HTML/MIME, can the archives show it as an
attachment instead of the base64 encoded data would be good.


Regards

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Jens K. Olsen wrote:

> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:18:49 +0900
> From: Jens K. Olsen <jolsen at ptc.com>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of HTML headers, etc.
> 
> > > I have just set up mailman and done a little testing. One thing that
> > > bothers me is all the HTML headers and footers in the archive when
> > > sending HTML formated e-mail from Netscape.
> > 
> > Anyone who sends html to a mailing list should be beaten unmercifully.
> > 
> I agree, but that doesn't mean that it won't happen !
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Mon Jun 21 18:41:07 1999
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of HTML headers, etc.
In-Reply-To: <376E0379.EFD2B422@ptc.com>
Message-ID: <19990621154107.9051227806@mail.kinfolk.org>

My choice would be an option to simply either bounce or flush ANY 
email message that contains HTML.

On 21 Jun 99, at 18:18, Jens K. Olsen wrote:

> > > I have just set up mailman and done a little testing. One thing that
> > > bothers me is all the HTML headers and footers in the archive when
> > > sending HTML formated e-mail from Netscape.
> > 
> > Anyone who sends html to a mailing list should be beaten unmercifully.
> > 
> I agree, but that doesn't mean that it won't happen !
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From hallewellt at rfa.org  Mon Jun 21 18:10:49 1999
From: hallewellt at rfa.org (Tom Hallewell)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:10:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper error
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906211208520.943-100000@pspo1.ps.com.sg>
Message-ID: <000d01bebc00$a16fc070$6b021eac@banger.rfa.org>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: z at singtel.telcosucks.org [mailto:z at singtel.telcosucks.org]
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:11 AM
> To: Tom Hallewell
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper error
>
>
> On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Tom Hallewell wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:09:40 -0400
> >
> > Mailman has been working great for several months until I
> made a couple
> > of changes on the server.
> > I had been getting tons of mail errors because the hostname
> was actually
> > an ALIAS according to DNS, so I changed the hostname to the
> CNAME and
> > stopped getting the errors.  Around that same time, I
> upgraded to RedHat
> > 6.0.   Somewhere along the line, I started getting this
> error everytime
> > anyone tries to post to any of our lists:
> >
> >     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post be-install"
> >     (expanded from: <be-install at techops.rfa.org>)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post be-install"...
> Service unavailable
> >
> > Reading between the lines :), it appears that for some
> reason sendmail
> > is no longer allowing wrappers.  Any ideas?
>
> The sendmail shipped with Redhat 6.0 has added security in
> that it doesn't
> allow you to execute any external software unless they are
> specified by
> smrsh. So, what you need to do is type in /etc/smrsh directory
> "ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper" and everything should
> automagically be
> working as they used to be. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
Thanks for the tip!!  Now I'm getting an exciting new error-

Jun 21 11:51:46 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused  / hallewel
lt at scotty.rfa.org: <hallewellt at rfa.org>... Relaying denied; etc; etc; etc;
(dequeued)

How do I set up my fancy new redhat server to relay mail within my domain?
Is this documented anywhere so I can stop bothering you nice people about
sendmail problems?

>




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Mon Jun 21 19:35:10 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:35:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper error
In-Reply-To: <000d01bebc00$a16fc070$6b021eac@banger.rfa.org> from "Tom Hallewell" at Jun 21, 99 12:10:49 pm
Message-ID: <199906211735.MAA21426@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Mon Jun 21 20:16:37 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:16:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of HTML headers, etc.
In-Reply-To: <376E0159.43830D74@psychosis.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990621201637.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

On 21-Jun-99 Dave Cinege wrote:
>> I have just set up mailman and done a little testing. One thing that
>> bothers me is all the HTML headers and footers in the archive when
>> sending HTML formated e-mail from Netscape. 
> Anyone who sends html to a mailing list should be beaten unmercifully.

well that would be about 90% of my users :)
anyway i'd rather see HTML attachments (or any attachments for that matter)
filtered out of the message... 
if you're running a techy-mailinglist then it's shouldnt be a problem to tell
people to stop sending html, but with certain lists that's not much of an
option... btw HTML messes up the plain digests too :(

Ricardo.
--



From tabbott at intekom.com  Tue Jun 22 18:41:19 1999
From: tabbott at intekom.com (Tony Abbott)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:41:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the dreaded y2k...
Message-ID: <376FBCAF.9580EA41@intekom.com>

Hi all.

sorry to bring up this wretched topic, but... this question is directed
at the active mailman developers: has MailMan been coded in such a way
so as not to explode spectacularly on January 1? I'm not looking for a
legal declaration or any such thing (since the GPL offers no warranties
anyway). 

-t

-- 

    Tony Abbott					tabbott at intekom.co.za
    Systems Administrator, Intekom		Tel: +27-11-266-7800
    http://www.intekom.co.za			Fax: +27-11-315-0707

The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and
intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s).
This
information may be subject to attorney and client or other privilege. It
must not be disclosed to any person without Intekom's permission.



From esprikkelman at landstede.nl  Thu Jun 24 11:41:07 1999
From: esprikkelman at landstede.nl (Erik Sprikkelman)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:41:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about MailMan problem
Message-ID: <3771FD33.AE1B4C1A@landstede.nl>

Hi there,

first off all my complements for this excellent Mailinglist.

I've set up the MailMan Mailing list on my Linux Server.

Specifications of the server:

Pentium II  - 350
64 MB SDRAM

2 x 4,3 Gb WD Harddisk

1 x 3Com 3C509B-TX  (10 / 100 Mbps)

RedHat v5.2
Sendmail v8.9.3
Apache WebServer v1.3.4


Everything works fine.

However, when I send 1 message to a list.
This message is send normally send to the list.

If I send another message to the same list,
SendMail won't accept mail for the list.

The error is : "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post 404"... unknown mailer
error 1

every mail send to 404 at relay.landstede.nl results in the error above.
every mail send to 404-request at relay.landstede.nl results in a response
from MailMan


Does anyone know where this problem comes from, and how I can fix it ??

Thanks in Advance.

Erik Sprikkelman
R.O.C. de Landstede
 http://www.landstede.nl

The Mailinglist can be found at :
http://relay.landstede.nl/mailman/listinfo/404


I included the respone from my Sendmail deamon.

########## Begin Sendmail Response ##########

The original message was received at Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:25:28 +0200
from webserver.landstede.nl [193.172.17.20]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post 404"
    (expanded from: <404 at relay.landstede.nl>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
    mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1314, in Post
    footer = self.msg_footer % self.__dict__)
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post 404"... unknown mailer error 1




Reporting-MTA: dns; RELAY.LANDSTEDE.NL
Received-From-MTA: DNS; webserver.landstede.nl
Arrival-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:25:28 +0200

Final-Recipient: RFC822; <404 at relay.landstede.nl>
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
404 at RELAY.LANDSTEDE.NL
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:25:29 +0200

########## End Sendmail Response ##########





From z at singtel.telcosucks.org  Thu Jun 24 12:18:37 1999
From: z at singtel.telcosucks.org (z at singtel.telcosucks.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:18:37 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about MailMan problem
In-Reply-To: <3771FD33.AE1B4C1A@landstede.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906241817060.943-100000@pspo1.ps.com.sg>

If you had read one of the earlier postings that was made on this list,
this is actually due to the different configuration in the latest Redhat
in that it restricts you from running any external apps that are not
specified by making a link to /etc/smrsh
to do this, simply go to /etc/smrsh and type the command
ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

All your mail should go through fine then.

Regards,
Daniel

On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Erik Sprikkelman wrote:

> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:41:07 +0200
> From: Erik Sprikkelman <esprikkelman at landstede.nl>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about MailMan problem
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> first off all my complements for this excellent Mailinglist.
> 
> I've set up the MailMan Mailing list on my Linux Server.
> 
> Specifications of the server:
> 
> Pentium II  - 350
> 64 MB SDRAM
> 
> 2 x 4,3 Gb WD Harddisk
> 
> 1 x 3Com 3C509B-TX  (10 / 100 Mbps)
> 
> RedHat v5.2
> Sendmail v8.9.3
> Apache WebServer v1.3.4
> 
> 
> Everything works fine.
> 
> However, when I send 1 message to a list.
> This message is send normally send to the list.
> 
> If I send another message to the same list,
> SendMail won't accept mail for the list.
> 
> The error is : "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post 404"... unknown mailer
> error 1
> 
> every mail send to 404 at relay.landstede.nl results in the error above.
> every mail send to 404-request at relay.landstede.nl results in a response
> from MailMan
> 
> 
> Does anyone know where this problem comes from, and how I can fix it ??
> 
> Thanks in Advance.
> 
> Erik Sprikkelman
> R.O.C. de Landstede
>  http://www.landstede.nl
> 
> The Mailinglist can be found at :
> http://relay.landstede.nl/mailman/listinfo/404
> 
> 
> I included the respone from my Sendmail deamon.
> 
> ########## Begin Sendmail Response ##########
> 
> The original message was received at Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:25:28 +0200
> from webserver.landstede.nl [193.172.17.20]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post 404"
>     (expanded from: <404 at relay.landstede.nl>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
>     mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1314, in Post
>     footer = self.msg_footer % self.__dict__)
> TypeError: not enough arguments for format string
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post 404"... unknown mailer error 1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; RELAY.LANDSTEDE.NL
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; webserver.landstede.nl
> Arrival-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:25:28 +0200
> 
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; <404 at relay.landstede.nl>
> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> 404 at RELAY.LANDSTEDE.NL
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:25:29 +0200
> 
> ########## End Sendmail Response ##########
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From tbryan at server.python.net  Thu Jun 24 14:23:31 1999
From: tbryan at server.python.net (Tom Bryan)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:23:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to ignore confirmation requests in Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906240818240.22825-100000@starship.python.net>

One of my users sent me this:

"""I sent a mail to the mailing list. By default I use "send confirmation
on". I forgot to turn off this flag as it's not processed by other mailers
I use.

Please check whether your mailing system (mailing list remailer) can
ignore / reset the "send confirmation / read confirmation" markers.
Currently I get feedback from most of the receipients which are configured
into your system.

That's neither secure nor is the bandwith spent useful."""

I looked at all of my list's admin pages, but I didn't see any options
that looked appropriate. I really don't want users to be able to receive
confirmation from other list users.  The membership list is not public,
but this sounds like an easy way for a user to get the list of
subscribers.

---Tom




From kevin at lumiere.net  Thu Jun 24 17:07:11 1999
From: kevin at lumiere.net (Kevin Shrieve)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:07:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news gateway
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191236470.39815-100000@leaf.lumiere.net>
Message-ID: <v03007802b397f9706a0b@[10.0.0.3]>

Since nobody seems to know of examples of Mailman mail-to-news gateways
that I could check out, I'll broaden the question...

Has anybody had any experience with the mail-to-news gateway feature of
Mailman?  Is it real?  Does it work?

Thanks,

Kevin Shrieve
kevin at lumiere.net





From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Thu Jun 24 17:47:50 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:47:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news gateway
In-Reply-To: <v03007802b397f9706a0b@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906241046140.11905-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Kevin Shrieve wrote:

> Since nobody seems to know of examples of Mailman mail-to-news gateways
> that I could check out, I'll broaden the question...
> 
> Has anybody had any experience with the mail-to-news gateway feature of
> Mailman?  Is it real?  Does it work?

Yes, it works. I had a list set up that was a one-way gateway for members
of another list I had, who did not have access to that newsgroup.

So try it out. It wasn't difficult to set up.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From schattev at biochem.mpg.de  Thu Jun 24 17:54:15 1999
From: schattev at biochem.mpg.de (Ruben Schattevoy)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:54:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HOWTO run mailman on a nicknamed host
Message-ID: <377254A7.DAC9FC20@biochem.mpg.de>

Hi,

I have installed mailman 1.0rc2 on my linux box (SuSE 6.1) and it is
really
great! Now I want to setup some mailing lists for the institute I'm
working
at. Since mailman is installed in my private machine I would like to set
it
up in a way, that it uses a host nickname. Thus I can later move mailman
to
a server machine by just changing the nickname table of the local name
server.

This means: Rather than private.domain all mail/http addresses should
refer to listserv.domain. I have created a nickname in the local name
server and
have entered the e-mail address and the http address in the 'General
Options' page of mailman.

Now I'm faced with some boring sendmail problems which I cannot solve
for
my own. The first problem was, that my local sendmail did modify the
name
of the sender:

test-list-admin at listserv.domain  --> test-list-admin at domain

Since test-list-admin is not a NIS user and it is not known at the
domain
and therefor this does not work at all. After some hours of hacking the
sendmail.cf I found a way to prevent addresses of the form
'@listserv.domain' from being truncated. Now I get some other error
message dumped into the sendmail logfile (I have attached them to this
posting). Basically sendmail says, that there is a:

config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)

Can anybody help me in setting up mailman to run on a nick named host?
Isn't this problem a quite common one?

Thanks!
-- 
Dr. Ruben Schattevoy                 http://www.biochem.mpg.de/~schattev
Max-Planck-Institut of Biochemistry       mailto:schattev at biochem.mpg.de
Am Klopferspitz 18a                              Voice  +49(89)8578-2723
82152 Martinsried/Munich, Germany                Fax    +49(89)8578-2479
-------------- next part --------------
Jun 24 17:48:26 rzpc sendmail[16537]: RAA16537: from=<schattev at biochem.mpg.de>, size=660, class=0, pri=30660, nrcpts=1, msgid=<3772534A.96BA651A at biochem.mpg.de>, proto=ESMTP, relay=schattev at localhost [127.0.0.1]
Jun 24 17:48:26 rzpc sendmail[16539]: RAA16537: SYSERR(root): listserv.biochem.mpg.de. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
Jun 24 17:48:26 rzpc sendmail[16540]: NOQUEUE: Null connection from root at rzpc.biochem.mpg.de [141.61.19.19]
Jun 24 17:48:26 rzpc sendmail[16539]: RAA16537: to=<test-biochem at listserv.biochem.mpg.de>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, relay=listserv.biochem.mpg.de. [141.61.19.19], stat=Local configuration error
Jun 24 17:48:27 rzpc sendmail[16539]: RAA16537: RAA16539: DSN: Local configuration error
Jun 24 17:48:27 rzpc sendmail[16539]: RAA16539: to=<schattev at biochem.mpg.de>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, relay=mail.biochem.mpg.de. [141.61.1.32], stat=Sent (RAA22621 Message accepted for delivery)
Jun 24 17:48:27 rzpc sendmail[16539]: RAA16539: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent
Jun 24 17:48:28 rzpc sendmail[16539]: RAA16537: RAB16539: postmaster notify: Local configuration error
Jun 24 17:48:28 rzpc sendmail[16539]: RAB16539: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent  

From gebi at freemail.c3.hu  Thu Jun 24 17:31:08 1999
From: gebi at freemail.c3.hu (Dooley Fooley)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:31:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news gateway
References: <v03007802b397f9706a0b@[10.0.0.3]>
Message-ID: <005b01bebe56$95290170$f12158c2@gts.hu>

Hi,

I think the Hungarian Linux mailing list (http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/) is
working this way (hun.lists.mlf.linux).

Udv,
G?bi

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Shrieve <kevin at lumiere.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 5:07 PM


> Since nobody seems to know of examples of Mailman mail-to-news gateways
> that I could check out, I'll broaden the question...
>
> Has anybody had any experience with the mail-to-news gateway feature of
> Mailman?  Is it real?  Does it work?





From richarde at eskom.co.za  Thu Jun 24 17:44:08 1999
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:44:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news gateway
Message-ID: <s7726e70.061@eskom.co.za>

Yes it works, but I get messages from cron the whole time:

Cron <mailman at lisa> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Exception exceptions.IOError: (2, 'No such file or directory') in <method FileLock.__del__ of FileLock instance at 81bc1c8> ignored

--
Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za

>>> Kevin Shrieve <kevin at lumiere.net> 06/24/99 05:07PM >>>
Since nobody seems to know of examples of Mailman mail-to-news gateways
that I could check out, I'll broaden the question...

Has anybody had any experience with the mail-to-news gateway feature of
Mailman?  Is it real?  Does it work?

Thanks,

Kevin Shrieve
kevin at lumiere.net 



------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org 
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users 





From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Thu Jun 24 19:36:31 1999
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:36:31 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news gateway
In-Reply-To: <005b01bebe56$95290170$f12158c2@gts.hu>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.990624193520.53028g-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Dooley Fooley wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I think the Hungarian Linux mailing list (http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/) is
> working this way (hun.lists.mlf.linux).

No, it doesn't. We have a news gating script which had been in use for
some time even before installing mailman.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Shrieve <kevin at lumiere.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 5:07 PM
> 
> 
> > Since nobody seems to know of examples of Mailman mail-to-news gateways
> > that I could check out, I'll broaden the question...
> >
> > Has anybody had any experience with the mail-to-news gateway feature of
> > Mailman?  Is it real?  Does it work?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From teste at comp.ufscar.br  Thu Jun 24 21:49:55 1999
From: teste at comp.ufscar.br (Usuario para TESTE)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:49:55 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem With run_queue
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.05.9906241545390.28310-100000@venom.comp.ufscar.br>

When i installed mailman 1.0rc2 weeks ago, alll works fine, but
now the run_queue that crontab runs always returns:

##########################################################################

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ?
    OutgoingQueue.processQueue()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 121, in processQueue
    recip,sender,text = marshal.load(f)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

##########################################################################


[]'s
Ulisses Eduardo J. B. Silva





From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Thu Jun 24 20:52:20 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:52:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list not advertised
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990624134312.04bdd340@admin.aurora.edu>

Hi all.  I am running rc1 and just noticed a strange problem.  On the page 
generated at /mail/listinfo I see a bunch of old lists that I had around 
for a while.  A new list, created under rc1, is not showing up on the 
list.  I went to the privacy settings for that list and it does show up as 
being advertised -- just to make sure I turned it off and then on again -- 
so I am baffled as to why it is not showing up on the public list of lists.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  As I missing a second setting that I 
have to tweak, or is this a bug?  Thanks in advance,

--chris




From christopher at schulte.org  Thu Jun 24 21:31:59 1999
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:31:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list not advertised
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990624134312.04bdd340@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990624142859.00c791c0@pop.schulte.org>

One idea:

Try going into admin section of the list and under general options make 
sure that the last two options (host name list prefers and base url) are 
set correctly.

At 01:52 PM 6/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
 >Hi all.  I am running rc1 and just noticed a strange problem.  On
 >the page
 >generated at /mail/listinfo I see a bunch of old lists that I had around
 >for a while.  A new list, created under rc1, is not showing up on the
 >list.  I went to the privacy settings for that list and it does show up as
 >being advertised -- just to make sure I turned it off and then on again --
 >so I am baffled as to why it is not showing up on the public list of lists.
 >
 >Any suggestions would be appreciated.  As I missing a second setting that I
 >have to tweak, or is this a bug?  Thanks in advance,
 >
 >--chris

--
Christopher Schulte
WEB: http://www.schulte.org/
EMAIL: christopher at schulte.org

"werd"
--Tj http://www.inebriated.com/




From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Thu Jun 24 21:42:28 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list not advertised
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990624142859.00c791c0@pop.schulte.org>
References: <4.2.0.56.19990624134312.04bdd340@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990624143942.04bc2230@admin.aurora.edu>

Excellent!  The list has the address for one of the virtual domains that is 
assigned to the same document root.  It shows up when I use that domain and 
the others don't.  Thanks for the help Chris.

--chris

At 02:31 PM 6/24/1999 , Christopher Schulte wrote:
>One idea:
>
>Try going into admin section of the list and under general options make 
>sure that the last two options (host name list prefers and base url) are 
>set correctly.
>
>At 01:52 PM 6/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi all.  I am running rc1 and just noticed a strange problem.  On
> >the page
> >generated at /mail/listinfo I see a bunch of old lists that I had around
> >for a while.  A new list, created under rc1, is not showing up on the
> >list.  I went to the privacy settings for that list and it does show up as
> >being advertised -- just to make sure I turned it off and then on again --
> >so I am baffled as to why it is not showing up on the public list of lists.
> >
> >Any suggestions would be appreciated.  As I missing a second setting that I
> >have to tweak, or is this a bug?  Thanks in advance,
> >
> >--chris




From DWATANAB at uci.edu  Fri Jun 25 00:30:18 1999
From: DWATANAB at uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce handling
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.56.19990624143942.04bc2230@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.9906241526040.19317-100000@mothra.nts.uci.edu>

I think this was asked awhile ago, but i didn't see an answer

It seems like the bounce handler doesn't handle a bit.

I tested about 150 different hosts and 50 didn't work.
Most were qmail, exchange or sendmail v8
which are pretty common. (i'm assuming people modified their sendmail
responses for them to fail)

Is there anything to do to improve that?








From j at lumiere.net  Fri Jun 25 19:20:23 1999
From: j at lumiere.net (Jesse)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:20:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web setup of mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906251020120.95000-100000@leaf.lumiere.net>

Hi,

I installed mailman-1.0rc2 recently. I created a list and put in the
aliases. It told me a couple URLs to go to for setup, including to
listinfo/test.

When I try to load www.localgroup.org/mail/man/listinfo/test/, I get an
Internal Server error.

Debugging output from my webserver makes it appear as if the listinfo
script isn't generating any output. There are no errors sent to syslog. If
I run the listinfo script from the commandline as root, it gives me a GID
permissions error. But if I run it as webadmin (which is what the
webserver executes it as), it works fine (displays HTML output).

Any ideas what's going on? My Apache scriptlog output is below.

Thanks,

%% [Wed Jun 23 20:02:46 1999] GET /mailman/listinfo/test/ HTTP/1.0
httpd: [Wed Jun 23 20:02:46 1999] [error] [client 209.233.23.200]
Premature end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
%% 500 /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
%request
Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png,
*/*
Accept-Charset: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
Accept-Encoding: gzip
Accept-Language: en
Connection: Keep-Alive
Host: www.localgroup.org
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (Win95; U)
%response


---
Jesse <j at lumiere.net>
http://www.lumiere.net/








From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Fri Jun 25 19:32:39 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:32:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Someone's locked me out of the admin page!
Message-ID: <199906251734.NAA27999@mail.scansoft.com>

We lost our sysadmin a week or so ago.  Didn't upgrade to the latest version
of mailman.

I'm no locked out of one of our lists!

What can I do?



HELP!

J.



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri Jun 25 20:03:28 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:03:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Someone's locked me out of the admin page!
In-Reply-To: <199906251734.NAA27999@mail.scansoft.com> from "Joshua S. Freeman" at Jun 25, 99 01:32:39 pm
Message-ID: <199906251803.NAA20353@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From jantypas at prosofteng.com  Fri Jun 25 22:15:29 1999
From: jantypas at prosofteng.com (John Antypas)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:15:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Latest mailman not getting authorization cookies
Message-ID: <000101bebf47$78048d20$03ccb5c7@blucher.s21.com>

OK - I'm stumped.... anyone out there care to enlighten me PLEASE?

I have been running Mailman at our site for awhile now and recently upgraded
to the latest "c" release.  Other than a few quirks with permissions because
I reloaded the old lists off tape, everything went well except for one
user...

She's on a Mac running Internet Explorer 4.5 for Mac and previous to this
upgrade she had admin control of a couple of lists.  All worked. After the
upgrade, she can access the admin page, but every time she tries to actually
ALTER anything and commit the change:

a) she is asked for a password (again)
b) eventually she is told that "authorization failed " and something about
cookies.

She tried clearing her cookies but that's not helping.  I don't see anything
obvious, and other users don't seem to have the problem.  What is Mailman
really trying to tell me?1

Logs don't say anything obvious.

John Antypas
Prosoft Engineering




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sun Jun 27 23:21:20 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:21:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news gateways
References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191236470.39815-100000@leaf.lumiere.net>
Message-ID: <14198.38352.785656.335358@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "K" == Kevin  <kevin at lumiere.net> writes:

    K> Can someone point me to examples of Mailman mail-to-news
    K> gateways that I could check out?

comp.lang.python <-> python-list at python.org
comp.lang.python.announce <-> python-announce-list at python.org

The latter is an example of gatewaying to a moderated newsgroup.

-Barry



From kevin at lumiere.net  Mon Jun 28 01:03:20 1999
From: kevin at lumiere.net (Kevin Shrieve)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:03:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks for mail-to-news info
In-Reply-To: <14198.38352.785656.335358@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906191236470.39815-100000@leaf.lumiere.net>
Message-ID: <v03007800b39c5db805ce@[10.0.0.3]>

Alright!  It sounds real.  Thanks for all the info.

Kevin

>    K> Can someone point me to examples of Mailman mail-to-news
>    K> gateways that I could check out?
>
>comp.lang.python <-> python-list at python.org
>comp.lang.python.announce <-> python-announce-list at python.org
>
>The latter is an example of gatewaying to a moderated newsgroup.





From kevin at lumiere.net  Mon Jun 28 01:09:35 1999
From: kevin at lumiere.net (Kevin Shrieve)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:09:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web setup of mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906251020120.95000-100000@leaf.lumiere.net>
Message-ID: <v03007802b39c5ec34482@[10.0.0.3]>

Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to handle the problem Jesse is
encountering?  I'm an interested party because he's installing mailman so
that I can use it.

If noone has encountered something similar, where do you think one should
turn next to try to solve it?

Kevin


>I installed mailman-1.0rc2 recently. I created a list and put in the
>aliases. It told me a couple URLs to go to for setup, including to
>listinfo/test.
>
>When I try to load www.localgroup.org/mail/man/listinfo/test/, I get an
>Internal Server error.
>
>Debugging output from my webserver makes it appear as if the listinfo
>script isn't generating any output. There are no errors sent to syslog. If
>I run the listinfo script from the commandline as root, it gives me a GID
>permissions error. But if I run it as webadmin (which is what the
>webserver executes it as), it works fine (displays HTML output).
>
>Any ideas what's going on? My Apache scriptlog output is below.
>
>Thanks,
>
>%% [Wed Jun 23 20:02:46 1999] GET /mailman/listinfo/test/ HTTP/1.0
>httpd: [Wed Jun 23 20:02:46 1999] [error] [client 209.233.23.200]
>Premature end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
>%% 500 /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
>%request
>Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png,
>*/*
>Accept-Charset: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
>Accept-Encoding: gzip
>Accept-Language: en
>Connection: Keep-Alive
>Host: www.localgroup.org
>User-Agent: Mozilla/4.51 [en] (Win95; U)
>%response
>
>
>---
>Jesse <j at lumiere.net>
>http://www.lumiere.net/





From yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au  Mon Jun 28 08:59:39 1999
From: yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au (Chris Albone)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:59:39 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Latest mailman not getting authorization cookies
References: <000101bebf47$78048d20$03ccb5c7@blucher.s21.com>
Message-ID: <37771D5B.BD36A62C@gmp.usyd.edu.au>

Hi All,

    We are seeing the same sort of problem, both with a somewhat modified
version of one of the more recent mailman betas, and mailman-1.0rc2. Its an odd
problem. I don't seem to see the problem at all, no matter what version of
netscape that I use (I use 4.6 for linuxppc, 4.6 for macos and 4.5 for macos on
different machines.)

Other information that may well help... I've noticed few, if any problems if I
try and admin lists using the site password as opposed to the individual list
passwords. Another possibility: if it is only some users and not all that are
experiencing problems using the admin functions, is it possible that a proxy
between them and mailman could be eating or otherwise interfering with cookies?
In another installation of mailman,we noticed that there were problems with
mailman not seeing cookies when requests to the mailman server were going
through a web proxy, but when using the same version of netscape from a
different machine (that was speaking to mailman directly) we had no problems at
all.

Unfortunately, python looks like structured line noise to me  ( ;-) ) , i'll
not be much use debugging code

peace
Chris
John Antypas wrote:

> OK - I'm stumped.... anyone out there care to enlighten me PLEASE?
>
> I have been running Mailman at our site for awhile now and recently upgraded
> to the latest "c" release.  Other than a few quirks with permissions because
> I reloaded the old lists off tape, everything went well except for one
> user...
>
> She's on a Mac running Internet Explorer 4.5 for Mac and previous to this
> upgrade she had admin control of a couple of lists.  All worked. After the
> upgrade, she can access the admin page, but every time she tries to actually
> ALTER anything and commit the change:
>
> a) she is asked for a password (again)
> b) eventually she is told that "authorization failed " and something about
> cookies.
>
> She tried clearing her cookies but that's not helping.  I don't see anything
> obvious, and other users don't seem to have the problem.  What is Mailman
> really trying to tell me?1
>
> Logs don't say anything obvious.
>
> John Antypas
> Prosoft Engineering
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From csill at rfo5.rmki.kfki.hu  Mon Jun 28 10:30:48 1999
From: csill at rfo5.rmki.kfki.hu (Csilling Akos)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:30:48 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion: new features
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95a.990628101228.2736D-100000@rfo5.rmki.kfki.hu>

Hello,

I am the administrator of a list managed by Mailman, not the Mailman
admin.  I would like to suggest some new features that would be welcome on
our list - purely from a user's view.

First, we have a problem with national accented characters, since some
people like to use them, while other people's machines do not support
them. It would help a lot, if Mailman was able to strip the accents
optionally. 

Second, it would be nice if Mailman was able to handle multi-list posts
intelligently, so that people subscribed to several lists would only get
one copy of the same message posted to all lists. This could be
implemented as a separate list which automatically includes all the
members of several given lists, but only once.

I hope it will be possible to implement these features.

Best wishes,

					Akos




From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Mon Jun 28 17:12:04 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] request: list url in error message, mail password
Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990628100914.01108120@admin.aurora.edu>

We are now in public beta using the list on campus (to replace majordomo) 
and I got these rather sensible requests from one of the testers.:

 >It would be nice if error messages from the software included the web
 >address for the list, but so far I've only seen that in the "help" file
 >that I requested.  An attempt to unsubscribe (just to see what would
 >happen) resulted in an error message (since I did not at that time know my
 >password), but no instructions on how to get the password.  The error
 >message did include instructions on how to get the "help" file.  That
 >might be a good suggestion for a listserve for users of this software, if
 >one exists.  It would also be nice if there was a way to request password
 >info by e-mail from the address subscribed to the list.  I cannot see how
 >that option would be less secure than the option to have the password sent
 >to that address using the web site.

The URL in the error message makes a lot of sense to me.  I am sure there 
are reasons for not mailing passwords, but we have a lot of alumni and 
off-campus users who are not web savvy and use Juno, so web features are 
not appreciated.

Cheers,

--chris

--
/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
  Christopher G. Kolar
    Director of Instructional Technology
    Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois
  ckolar at aurora.edu  --  www.aurora.edu
         [View full header for public key recovery information.]




From tbryan at server.python.net  Tue Jun 29 03:30:30 1999
From: tbryan at server.python.net (Tom Bryan)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:30:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to ignore confirmation requests in Mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906240818240.22825-100000@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906282118430.8447-100000@starship.python.net>

On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Tom Bryan wrote:

[from one of my list  users...]

> Please check whether your mailing system (mailing list remailer) can
> ignore / reset the "send confirmation / read confirmation" markers.
> Currently I get feedback from most of the receipients which are configured
> into your system.

My mailman list has a subscribers list that is only viewable by the list
admin.  Thus, I do not want users to be able to receive "return receipts"
from other users' mail systems.  RFC 2298 describes a
Disposition-Notification-To header.  I have also see a Return-Receipt-To
header that seems to trigger these return receipts.  Is there an option in
Mailman to remove these headers before mail is distributed to the list?
If not, could such an option be easily added?

Thanks.
---Tom








From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Tue Jun 29 14:04:38 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:04:38 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No password
In-Reply-To: <199906291039.UAA31263@dora.tertius.net.au>; from cfs-p-admin@tertius.net.au on Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 08:39:03PM +1000
References: <199906291039.UAA31263@dora.tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <19990629220438.A8391@tertius.net.au>

After subscribing a bunch of users today with the mass-subscribe
option, I got this:

cfs-p-admin at tertius.net.au wrote:
> Mailman noticed in .MailUserPassword() that:
> 
>     User: 'j.underwood at btinternet.com'
>     List: cfs-p
> 
> lacks a password.  Please notify the Mailman system manager at this
> site!

It's the only one error, having subscribed >1000 subscribers amongst
about 5 different lists, which baffles me!  Is there a race condition
somewhere, perhaps?  


bekj

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From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Wed Jun 30 06:26:56 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:26:56 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist
Message-ID: <19990630142656.A5651@tertius.net.au>

Things I'd find useful:

- A global post_ok list.  This would typically contain the
  email addresses for the admins at that site, so they could
  always post to any list without needing approval.

- An option to merge admin requests.  Two possible ways:  Using
  the site admin password would let you look at all the admin
  requests pending on all lists at the site; and/or using some
  special password and your admin email address would show you
  pending requests for all lists with that admin email address. 
  Either would make adminning multiple lists, or a whole site,
  much easier.


bekj

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From bernhard at uwm.edu  Wed Jun 30 02:02:33 1999
From: bernhard at uwm.edu (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:02:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer and MIME broken
Message-ID: <19990629190233.I25926@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

Hi, just wanted to add this jitterbug report, but 
got an error message (see below):

GNU/Linux; mailman 1.0rc2


Sending a MIME multipart-message (I tested it with a
simple plain text body and a PGP/MIME rfc2015 signature)
the footer is simply added to the mail after the mime ending and
therefore will probably not be displayed by mime conforming MUA.
Mutt e.g. doesn't display it.

Hmm I'm not sure, what the best solution is here. Adding it to 
the main text body is a bad idea, because it will break the pgp-mime
signature.
(eGroup does that. :( )

Adding it as another MIME attachment might make sense.

 Bernhard


Error when submitting with Jitterbug:
| The system encountered a fatal error
| 
| After command: 
| Received: 
| 
| The last error code was: Connection refused 

	Bernhard

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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Jun 30 02:40:57 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:40:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Performance problems and MailMan
References: <E10sCah-0002yM-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
Message-ID: <14201.26521.848925.327481@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>


>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw at varesearch.com> writes:

    JCL> I believe I've found out how to reliably reproduce the
    JCL> performance problemsI've noticed here at VA and at Kanga.Nu,
    JCL> and which Barry and another (forget name, sorry) have
    JCL> observed as well:

    JCL>   1) Create a moderated list.

    JCL>   2) Subscribe 200 addresses to the list (can be bogus
    JCL> addresses but the local MTA must accept them)

    JCL>   3) Post at least 30 messages of an average of at least 2K
    JCL> size to the list.

    JCL>   4) Go to the moderation page, approve every message, and hit
    JCL> submit.

    JCL>   5) Watch your system load peg and stay there for an
    JCL> obscenely long time.

Just a quick note 'cause I have very little time.  I'm currently
seeing python.org massively pegged, and Guido and I were talking about 
some Python tools we'd like to develop that would help debug
situations like this.  What I wanted was something like gdb's ability
to attach to and print stack traces of running external programs.  We
got into some brainstorming and came up with A Certified Very Cool
Trick[1].

This yielded a traceback for where at least two pegged processes are
spinning.  Seems to make sense, but I'm not very familar with the
archiving guts, so I post this traceback to spur some discussion.
Maybe Scott or Harald can craft a fix.

Here's the traceback:

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Looks like the archiver is doing way too much work for every message
it has to process.  When python.org came back up today, it got slammed 
with incoming mail for a bazillion lists.  Each message spins in this
HyperDatabase.clearIndex() loop.

-Barry

[1] CVCT:

Use gdb to attach to the running Python program, then type this at
the gdb prompt:

(gdb) call PyRun_SimpleString("import sys, traceback; sys.stderr=open('/tmp/tb','w',0); traceback.print_stack()")

Sitting in /tmp/tb will be the stack trace of where the Python program 
was when you stopped it.  There's reason to believe this will not
always work, but it likely will, and you can even detach the program
and let it continue on.

From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Tue Jun 29 20:42:43 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:42:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail died
Message-ID: <199906291844.OAA26342@mail.scansoft.com>

Something really wierd has happened here.

On Friday, we received a message from one of the subscribers to our list
that he had received a lengthy pornographic message from the list and
requested that we not send him this kind of material.  Coincidentally, our
lists seem to have died on Friday.  qmail is no longer running.

Our sysadmin is not here.  I have root access and I want to find out where
the queued up messages live so I can grep for the porno material, remove it
from the spool before I restart qmail...

I cannot determine where to look.


Many T's IA for any help.


J.



From clark.evans at manhattanproject.com  Tue Jun 29 23:35:08 1999
From: clark.evans at manhattanproject.com (Clark Evans)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:35:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Munging
References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990618214027.28958E-100000@shrike> <376BDA98.8AB10554@intekom.com>
Message-ID: <37793C0C.84EC03C6@manhattanproject.com>

Tony Abbott wrote:
> 
> This is a bug. I seem to remember a patch being posted quite recently
> for this. Check the archives.
> 
> Roy Rapoport wrote:
> > Someone sends an email to the list titled 'foo'.
> > List gets subject 'TAG foo'
> > Someone responds with 'Re: TAG foo'
> > List gets 'TAG Re: TAG foo'

Where is this patch?

Thanks!

Clark Evans



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Jun 30 09:03:11 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:03:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Munging
In-Reply-To: <37793C0C.84EC03C6@manhattanproject.com> from "Clark Evans" at Jun 29, 99 05:35:08 pm
Message-ID: <199906300703.CAA21644@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From clark.evans at manhattanproject.com  Wed Jun 30 15:10:03 1999
From: clark.evans at manhattanproject.com (Clark Evans)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:10:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Munging
References: <199906300703.CAA21644@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <377A172B.30E8E975@manhattanproject.com>

Christopher Lindsey wrote:
>    Alternatively, you can search through the archives through the
>    python.org search engine at
> 
>       http://www.python.org/search/
> 
>    It's *usually* pretty good at picking things out, but I do have
>    some posts that it won't pick up no matter what.  :)

This was one of them... had no clue what to look for.

>       http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-June/001464.html
> 
>    That has the fix for your problem.

Perfect.

Many development groups have a "patch" list, where
you include an attachment with the patch and
the body of the mail describes what the patch
is for.  This type of list is always valueable.

This is the first resource that I looked for,
but it was missing.  Will Mailman be adding
a patch list?

Thanks!

Clark



From eskes at signaal.nl  Wed Jun 30 14:43:15 1999
From: eskes at signaal.nl (e.d.j.m. eskes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:43:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 1.0rc2?
Message-ID: <377A10E3.284ABA28@signaal.nl>

Hi,

I have installed mailman and I'm really impressed
but also a little bit disappointed because
I hit a bug and have no idea what's the reason.
This errormessage pops up when the list administrator
try to add a member to a mailinglist.

Can anybody give me a hint?

Best regards,
Bob




Bug in Mailman version 1.0rc2
                                                        
  We're sorry, we hit a bug!
                                 
   If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a
copy of this page to the webmaster for this
   site with a description of what happened. Thanks!

    Traceback:

                      
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
    ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 850, in ChangeOptions
    lst.DeleteMember(user)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1062, in DeleteMember
    self.DeliverToOwner(msg, self.owner)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 129, in DeliverToOwner
    self.LogMsg('deliverer',
TypeError: call of non-function

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From hebble at uiuc.edu  Wed Jun 30 16:00:46 1999
From: hebble at uiuc.edu (Paul Hebble)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:00:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Munging
In-Reply-To: <377A172B.30E8E975@manhattanproject.com>; from Clark Evans on Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 09:10:03AM -0400
References: <199906300703.CAA21644@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> <377A172B.30E8E975@manhattanproject.com>
Message-ID: <19990630090046.A15984@uiuc.edu>

On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 09:10:03AM -0400, Clark Evans wrote:
> Many development groups have a "patch" list, where
> you include an attachment with the patch and
> the body of the mail describes what the patch
> is for.  This type of list is always valueable.
> 
> This is the first resource that I looked for,
> but it was missing.  Will Mailman be adding
> a patch list?

There is a Mailman Developers list and a CVS update list, which you can find
links to at www.list.org.

--
    Paul




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Jun 30 17:23:37 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:23:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Munging
References: <199906300703.CAA21644@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
	<377A172B.30E8E975@manhattanproject.com>
Message-ID: <14202.13945.994255.415172@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "CE" == Clark Evans <clark.evans at manhattanproject.com> writes:

    CE> This is the first resource that I looked for,
    CE> but it was missing.  Will Mailman be adding
    CE> a patch list?

It's probably a good idea, but unfortunately not one I have any time
to put together at the moment.  Maybe someone could volunteer to watch
the CVS tree and maintain a patches website.  I could link to it from
www.list.org.  That would be greatly appreciated.

-Barry



From jeff at look.net  Wed Jun 30 16:05:47 1999
From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:05:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Failed to access config info' error
Message-ID: <v0420550cb39fcf67bfe0@[206.55.18.16]>

Ok, I compiled up the latest mailman yesterday and set up a test 
list. Got the 'new list' email ok and tried to configure the list and 
got the following error message:

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
     main()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
     lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__
     self.Load()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 771, in Load
     raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info


Hmmm. I do see the list in the 'lists' directory. Permissions seem to 
be correct.

Any hints?

This is on a Redhat 5.2 box. Python is 1.5.2.


-Jeff