From bryner at uiuc.edu  Sat May  1 01:39:01 1999
From: bryner at uiuc.edu (Brian Ryner)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:39:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error/crash in admindb - Solved
Message-ID: <372A3F15.3214C666@uiuc.edu>

First of all, the bug I reported earlier happens if you access this URL:

http://host/mailman/admindb/        <-- note trailing slash

It tries to cause an "Invalid options to CGI script" error, but can't
because of the typo in Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, line 77:

 doc.AddItem(eader(2, "Invalid options to CGI script."))

where Header is misspelled.  That fixed the crash.  But I think that
this URL (admindb/) should work just like admindb without the slash --
it should say that you must specify a list.

-Brian Ryner
bryner at uiuc.edu



From danielj at wizard.com  Sat May  1 05:12:56 1999
From: danielj at wizard.com (Daniel Jacobs)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group shows up as part of cgi url
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9904302009100.27231-100000@snark.wizard.com>

This is a strange one - For an example, go to
http://jubjub.wizard.com/mailman/admin

Any cgi program name is having the group (nogroup) appended to it in the
html being generated. I've poked through the archives and the faq and
haven't come across this.

I am running on FreeBSD 3.1 w/apache 1.3.1 and python 1.5.1.

Daniel Jacobs | @wizard.com - Las Vegas Providers of Internet Services
     (702) 317-2001 | http://www.wizard.com/ | danielj at wizard.com
           "In art and dream, may you proceed with abandon.
  In life, may you proceed with balance and stealth." - Patti Smith




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sun May  2 00:34:54 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:34:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Error/crash in admindb - 1.0b11
References: <3729DFC3.C3CF4F6E@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <14123.33166.87250.152089@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "BR" == Brian Ryner <bryner at uiuc.edu> writes:

    BR> Also, is there a way that I can turn off the extraneous
    BR> debugging information sent to the WWW client, and have it just
    BR> be put in the log?  The fact that it dumps so much information
    BR> about the system could be seen as a security risk.

Not without hacking the driver script.
-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sun May  2 00:35:42 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:35:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Error/crash in admindb - Solved
References: <372A3F15.3214C666@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <14123.33214.28986.233886@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "BR" == Brian Ryner <bryner at uiuc.edu> writes:

    BR> First of all, the bug I reported earlier happens if you access
    BR> this URL:

    BR> http://host/mailman/admindb/ <-- note trailing slash

    BR> It tries to cause an "Invalid options to CGI script" error,
    BR> but can't because of the typo in Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, line
    BR> 77:

    BR>  doc.AddItem(eader(2, "Invalid options to CGI script."))

    BR> where Header is misspelled.  That fixed the crash.  But I
    BR> think that this URL (admindb/) should work just like admindb
    BR> without the slash -- it should say that you must specify a
    BR> list.

Thanks for the bug report.  It looks like Ken's fixed both problems
for the next release.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sun May  2 00:43:32 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:43:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group shows up as part of cgi url
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9904302009100.27231-100000@snark.wizard.com>
Message-ID: <14123.33684.972817.159054@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "DJ" == Daniel Jacobs <danielj at wizard.com> writes:

    DJ> This is a strange one - For an example, go to
    DJ> http://jubjub.wizard.com/mailman/admin

    DJ> Any cgi program name is having the group (nogroup) appended to
    DJ> it in the html being generated. I've poked through the
    DJ> archives and the faq and haven't come across this.

    DJ> I am running on FreeBSD 3.1 w/apache 1.3.1 and python 1.5.1.

Did you by chance use --with-cgi-ext=nogroup instead of
--with-cgi-gid=nogroup when you configured Mailman?

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sun May  2 00:53:45 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:53:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting archives
References: <3.0.2.32.19990430114438.00b401b8@iris.vulcanind.com>
Message-ID: <14123.34297.323067.443437@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "KL" == Kevin Lee <kevin at vulcanind.com> writes:

    KL> I have got Mailman running and tested on a Debian GNU/Linux
    KL> box.  I am going to put this into production in the next few
    KL> days on our intranet.  During my testing phase I just used
    KL> forwarded copies of one of my favorite digests.  Well now I
    KL> got 50-60 copies of these digests in my archives, and it is
    KL> not exactly appropriate reading material for business use.

    KL> I can not find anything in the FAQs or archives that addresses
    KL> deleting and restarting the archives.  Any suggestions?

http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-February/000538.html

Let me also remind people that the mailman-users and
mailman-developers lists are searchable, in a sense, through the
Python website Ultraseek server.  Visit

    http://www.python.org/search

and turn off "ftp site", "web site", and "starship" and turn /on/ "SIG 
archives".

-Barry



From danielj at wizard.com  Sun May  2 01:01:58 1999
From: danielj at wizard.com (Daniel Jacobs)
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:01:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] group shows up as part of cgi url
In-Reply-To: <14123.33684.972817.159054@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905011600560.25147-100000@snark.wizard.com>

Thank you. That'll teach me to not compile new programs on no sleep.
That's exactly what it was.

Daniel

On Sat, 1 May 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "DJ" == Daniel Jacobs <danielj at wizard.com> writes:
> 
>     DJ> This is a strange one - For an example, go to
>     DJ> http://jubjub.wizard.com/mailman/admin
> 
>     DJ> Any cgi program name is having the group (nogroup) appended to
>     DJ> it in the html being generated. I've poked through the
>     DJ> archives and the faq and haven't come across this.
> 
>     DJ> I am running on FreeBSD 3.1 w/apache 1.3.1 and python 1.5.1.
> 
> Did you by chance use --with-cgi-ext=nogroup instead of
> --with-cgi-gid=nogroup when you configured Mailman?
> 
> -Barry
> 

Daniel Jacobs | @wizard.com - Las Vegas Providers of Internet Services
     (702) 317-2001 | http://www.wizard.com/ | danielj at wizard.com
           "In art and dream, may you proceed with abandon.
  In life, may you proceed with balance and stealth." - Patti Smith




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sun May  2 01:26:43 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:26:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (another) Mailman bug
References: <14118.29017.405703.66158@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<199904282246.QAA03313@ns.kinfolk.org>
Message-ID: <14123.36275.812495.638040@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne <rpyne at kinfolk.org> writes:

    RBP> Running Mailman 1.0b11 under Linux I am getting random Memory
    RBP> Errors such as:


    | Traceback (innermost last):
    |   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 27, in ?
    |     from Mailman import MailList
    |   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
    |     import Utils
    |   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 31, in ?
    |     import regsub
    | MemoryError

    RBP> Others are bouncing mail. Any help will be greatly
    RBP> appreciated.

Something must really be messed up if /importing/ regsub triggers a
MemoryError.  Have you seen other wacky things with your Python
installation?  How much virtual memory do you have on this system?!

-Barry



From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Sun May  2 22:05:38 1999
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 13:05:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (another) Mailman bug
In-Reply-To: <14123.36275.812495.638040@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <199905021905.NAA10744@ns.kinfolk.org>

The machine is a K6-300 with 64 Meg RAM and a 100 Meg swap partition. 
It is running Linux 2.0.35 (Redhat), Apache 1.3.6 with php3 and 
modssl, and Python 1.51.

I haven't seen any other error messages show up, but I only installed 
python to run mailman, so I am really quite unfamiliar with it.


On 1 May 99, at 19:26, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne <rpyne at kinfolk.org> writes:
> 
>     RBP> Running Mailman 1.0b11 under Linux I am getting random Memory
>     RBP> Errors such as:
> 
> 
>     | Traceback (innermost last):
>     |   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 27, in ?
>     |     from Mailman import MailList
>     |   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
>     |     import Utils
>     |   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 31, in ?
>     |     import regsub
>     | MemoryError
> 
>     RBP> Others are bouncing mail. Any help will be greatly
>     RBP> appreciated.
> 
> Something must really be messed up if /importing/ regsub triggers a
> MemoryError.  Have you seen other wacky things with your Python
> installation?  How much virtual memory do you have on this system?!
> 
> -Barry


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon May  3 01:50:33 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:50:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news giving errors (in cron)
References: <xcdn2022af8.fsf@bernstein.cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <14124.58569.264495.998912@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "SD" == Soren Dayton <csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu> writes:

    SD> I have two kinds of errors.  Has anyone ever seen these?  This
    SD> is 1.0b11, python 1.5.2 on Solaris 2.5.

It's possible the lock is getting stolen if it takes longer than 5
minutes to pull the messages off the newsgroup.  Try cranking up the
timeout on the lock in gate_news and changing the cron entry to run
gate_news less often.

-Barry



From deadline at plogic.com  Mon May  3 13:37:50 1999
From: deadline at plogic.com (Douglas Eadline)
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:37:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9905030735340.6885-100000@lisa.plogic.com>


Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 124, in main
    HandleRequests(doc)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 214, in HandleRequests
    list.HandleRequest(request, v)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
    self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 165, in
HandlePostRequest
    self.LogMsg("vette", note)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 793, in LogMsg
    logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string





Environment variables:

 Variable
                             Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT 
                             /usr/local/etc/pages/plogic 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
                             gzip 
 REMOTE_HOST 
                             atmax-2-38.enter.net 
 CONTENT_TYPE 
                             application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
 PATH_TRANSLATED 
                             /usr/local/etc/pages/plogic/xtreme 
 REMOTE_ADDR 
                             207.16.153.94 
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
                             CGI/1.1 
 HTTP_COOKIE 
                             xtreme-admin=-1541011237;
xtreme-admin=-1541011237 
 SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                             HTTP/1.0 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
                             en 
 REMOTE_PORT 
                             1796 
 SERVER_PORT 
                             80 
 HTTP_CONNECTION 
                             Keep-Alive 
 HTTP_USER_AGENT 
                             Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
                             iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 
 HTTP_ACCEPT 
                             image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */* 
 REQUEST_URI 
                             /mailman/admindb/xtreme 
 PATH 

/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin 
 QUERY_STRING 
 SCRIPT_FILENAME 
                             /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb 
 CONTENT_LENGTH 
                             52 
 HTTP_HOST 
                             www.plogic.com 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                             POST 
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                             /mailman/admindb 
 SERVER_ADMIN 
                             webmaster at plogic.com 
 SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                             Apache/1.2.6 Red Hat 
 PYTHONPATH 
                             /home/mailman 
 PATH_INFO 
                             /xtreme 
 HTTP_REFERER 
                             http://www.plogic.com/mailman/admindb/xtreme 
 SERVER_NAME 
                             www.plogic.com 

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Paralogic, Inc.           |     PEAK     |      Voice:+610.861.6960
115 Research Drive        |   PARALLEL   |        Fax:+610.861.8247
Bethlehem, PA 18017 USA   |  PERFORMANCE |    http://www.plogic.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon May  3 17:36:56 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:36:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9905030735340.6885-100000@lisa.plogic.com>
Message-ID: <14125.49816.83423.158304@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

This was partially fixed in b11, but a more complete patch will be
included in the next release.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon May  3 22:23:25 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:23:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Usenet gating and archiving
References: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9904121834270.2893-100000@nexus.netconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <14126.1469.692412.473957@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "SS" == Stephan Spencer <sms at netconcepts.com> writes:

    SS> We're using Mailman to gateway a Usenet newsgroup and email
    SS> list. I'm curious, is that "severe breakage" in the archives
    SS> that Barry Warsaw mentioned in his Apr 2 post fixed yet?

Yes, as Ben Gertzfield mentioned in a separate article, this was fixed
in 1.0b11.  What wasn't fixed is any /existing/ archives.  You'd have
to go back into the raw text file and insert the Unix From headers
(e.g. "From ") in the appropriate places, and then regenerate the
archives (with bin/arch).

    SS> What Usenet newsgroups out there are being successfully
    SS> moderated using Mailman? misc.industry.printing is the only
    SS> one that I know of.

comp.lang.python and comp.lang.python.announce are now both being
gated from Mailman lists (respectively, python-list at python.org and
python-announce-list at python.org).

The announce list is interesting because the newsgroup c.l.py.a is
moderated so you don't want messages posted to
python-announce-list at python.org to go to the mailing list members or
actually be gated to the n.g.

The trick I came up with is to set the python-announce-list alias to
send directly to the n.g. moderators and /not/ to Mailman's
post-wrapper.  When the n.g. moderator approves of the message,
they'll forward it on to the n.g.  When Mailman sees the message show
up on the n.g. it forwards it on to the list members pre-approved and
without going through the aliases file again.  So far, I /think/ this
is working pretty well.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue May  4 00:40:03 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:40:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Listproc lists
References: <199904161458.QAA05214@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>
	<4.1.19990417094443.00b43370@pop.nekodojo.org>
Message-ID: <14126.9667.719016.745708@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "GC" == Greg Connor <gconnor at nekodojo.org> writes:

    GC> Also, I had problems subbing more than 20 people at a time;
    GC> all would get subbed, but only 20 or so would get welcome
    GC> messages (containing their new random password).  If you think
    GC> you might have this problem too, use something like this
    GC> instead..

A while back I did a bad thing.  I tried to subscribe ~200k addresses
to a mailing list.  I ran add_members for about 24 hours and ended up
only subscribing ~39k members, so there's no question mass subscribing
a huge list is SLOOOOWW.

The reason this was a bad thing was because I was randomly generating
the (bogus) addresses.  I know the welcome message was being sent out
for them all 'cause our postmaster saw every single one of those
bounces ;-}  It was an accident, I swear!  I meant to turn off sending 
the welcome message...

Yeah, we're still on speaking terms, but I had to help him upgrade
from Mailman v 1.0b2 :-)

-Barry



From editor4 at chiconews.com  Tue May  4 17:02:45 1999
From: editor4 at chiconews.com (editor4 at chiconews.com)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 08:02:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of vendors that run Mailman?
Message-ID: <372F0C15.8765AE2D@chiconews.com>

All,

I am shopping for a vendor that uses Mailman software to run lists.  The
vendor I now use does not want to add new lists unless they will use
Majordomo.

Any specific suggestions?

Bob Fleming
editor4 at chiconews.com






From claw at varesearch.com  Tue May  4 19:55:31 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:55:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of vendors that run Mailman? 
In-Reply-To: Message from editor4@chiconews.com 
   of "Tue, 04 May 1999 08:02:45 PDT." <372F0C15.8765AE2D@chiconews.com> 
Message-ID: <E10ejPn-0006ur-00@under.varesearch.com>

On Tue, 04 May 1999 08:02:45 -0700 
editor4  <editor4 at chiconews.com> wrote:

> All, I am shopping for a vendor that uses Mailman software to run
> lists.  The vendor I now use does not want to add new lists unless
> they will use Majordomo.

What sort of lists?

-- 
J C Lawrence                                   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From tomas at greatergood.com  Tue May  4 21:44:35 1999
From: tomas at greatergood.com (Tomas)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:44:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug: [Fwd: Trying to Subscribe]
Message-ID: <372F4E23.E26AD3A8@greatergood.com>

I have been having users send me these error reports:
When I tried to subscribe to your mailing list, I got this error. Please let me know when to try again. I am very interesting in chatting again.


Bug in Mailman version 1.0b11

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 161, in main
    list.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 851, in AddMember
    cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 67, in new
    db = self.__load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 94, in __load
    self.__assert_lock(self.db_lock_timeout)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 120, in __assert_lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 127, in lock
    raise TimeOutError
TimeOutError


What can I do about this?  I am using the latest Red Hat linux.




From tomas at greatergood.com  Tue May  4 22:09:35 1999
From: tomas at greatergood.com (Tomas)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:09:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug:  Further info...
References: <199905040503.BAA20705@python.org>
Message-ID: <372F53FF.C55EC82B@greatergood.com>

The bug seems to be only when someone tries to subscribe via email.  I think.  I seem to be able to add these people via the web interface. These folks don't have web access.  I have a hunch, but cannot figure it out, that maybe there's a permission thing happening?

By the way, the site is:

http://louis-lamour-fan.com

the list is ll-chat at louis-lamour-fan.com (and ll-chat-admin@ is the list admin, right?)

Thanks,

Tomas


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From bwarsaw at python.org  Wed May  5 00:32:52 1999
From: bwarsaw at python.org (bwarsaw at python.org)
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:32:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 1.0rc1
Message-ID: <14127.30100.803519.853792@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

Hi folks,

Mailman 1.0 release candidate 1 (1.0rc1) has just been uploaded to
www.list.org.  Barring any major screwups by me, this will be the
final 1.0 release.  The next step is to create the GNU web pages.  I
just want to personally thank everyone who's helped with ideas,
contributions, suggestions, and support in getting us to where we
are.

Here are a few things to note about this release:

- We have a logo contest winner!  By a narrow margin, Dragon's logo
  has won.  My thanks to the other 3 logo creators; in different ways
  I liked them all, and they are all much better than /I/ could ever
  have done!

  Mailman will now display Dragon's small logo on (most) generated
  pages; I may have missed a few, but those will all be fixed when we
  revamp the page designs after 1.0.

  You need to read the instructions in the INSTALL file for putting
  mailman.gif in a place that your Web server can find them, and for
  setting up the img src URL.  Comments on how to improve this manual
  installation step would be appreciated.

- There is a new cron/mailpasswd script which groups users by virtual
  domains if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is true (the default).
  While I've tested this feature, I would /really/ appreciate some
  more detailed testing by you folks who run multiple virtual domains
  (hi Greg S. :-).  Please, let's not wait until June 1 to find out
  something is broken, but also be careful not to spam too many of
  your users!

- If anybody feels like they are being left out of the
  ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS file, or have any other updates for this file,
  please send them directly to me.  I haven't kept up with this as
  well as I should have, so don't be shy. :-)

That's all I can think of.  Grab the tarball from

    http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz

Enjoy,
-Barry

P.S. I'll probably somewhat unresponsive to the mailing lists for a
while.  I need to concentrate on getting the next JPython release
out.



From david at csol.com  Wed May  5 00:31:43 1999
From: david at csol.com (David Corbin)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search....
Message-ID: <372F754F.8EC7B15C@csol.com>

I've been using mailmain for a few weeks now for some very small lists.
I think it's great.  The web-admin stuff is REALLY great.  

One thing that seems to be missing, to me, is that there is no way
to search the archives on the web.  If there is, I missed it.
Are there any  plans to add such?

Thanks	
-- 
David Corbin 		
Corsol Corporation
http://www.csol.com
dcorbin at csol.com



From trevor at jpj.net  Wed May  5 01:12:51 1999
From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson)
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:12:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search....
In-Reply-To: <372F754F.8EC7B15C@csol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990504190923.16782A-100000@blues.jpj.net>

> One thing that seems to be missing, to me, is that there is no way
> to search the archives on the web.  If there is, I missed it.

I've gotten good results with htdig (www.htdig.org).  It's under the GPL.
__
Trevor Johnson





From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Wed May  5 16:50:19 1999
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:50:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of vendors that run Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <372F0C15.8765AE2D@chiconews.com>
References: <372F0C15.8765AE2D@chiconews.com>
Message-ID: <14128.23211.314100.321865@trooper.velocet.ca>

>>>>> "editor4" == editor4  <editor4 at chiconews.com> writes:

editor4> All, I am shopping for a vendor that uses Mailman software to
editor4> run lists.  The vendor I now use does not want to add new
editor4> lists unless they will use Majordomo.

Velocet Communications is willing to run mailman lists.

www.velocet.net

Dave.

-- 
============================================================================
|David Gilbert, Velocet Communications.       | Two things can only be     |
|Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if they |
|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.  |
=========================================================GLO================



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed May  5 17:48:22 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:48:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of vendors that run Mailman?
References: <372F0C15.8765AE2D@chiconews.com>
	<14128.23211.314100.321865@trooper.velocet.ca>
Message-ID: <14128.26694.942925.810150@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "DG" == David Gilbert <dgilbert at velocet.ca> writes:

    DG> Velocet Communications is willing to run mailman lists.

    DG> www.velocet.net

Hey cool, Dave!  When I hack together the GNU web pages, I'd like to
have a users page.  Mind if I include you guys?

-Barry



From egus at efn.org  Wed May  5 22:45:26 1999
From: egus at efn.org (Eric Gus)
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:45:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] initial install Q's. [NEWBIE]
Message-ID: <199905052009.NAA19246@evg.org>

don't understand the docs fully so...

Q - Does the user I invoke ./configure with need access to su or can I
become user mailman.
Q - Can i unpack the archive into /home/mailmain/mailman-1.0rc1/ and do
everything else from there

User gus (me) is only user allowed access to su

apache1.3.6 installed w/default user/group on a linux 2.0.32 kernel
(slackware)
User nobody
Group nogroup

/etc/passwd
root:[deleted]:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
bin:*:1:1:bin:/bin:
daemon:*:2:2:daemon:/sbin:
nobody:*:65534:100:nobody:/dev/null:
mailman:*:586:104:MailMan MailingList Manager:/home/mailman:/bin/bash

/etc/group
root::0:root,gus
bin::1:root,bin,daemon
daemon::2:root,bin,daemon
wheel::10:root,gus
mail::12:mail
mailman::104:mailman,gus

Q - Does --prefix need /home/mailman/public_html or just skip the prefix to
use the defualt /home/mailman/

Q - would these be correct?  (sendmail 8.7.5-- will be changing to postfix
or qmail)
/etc/sendmail.cf
  # default UID (can be username or userid:groupid)
  O  DefaultUser=1:1

--with-cgi-gid=nogroup
--with-cgi-ext=.cgi
--with-mail-gid=1     (bin)

Q - If I use suExec or CGIwrap, do I have to configure cgi-gid differently?

Confused and green,
Gus






From trevor at jpj.net  Thu May  6 01:45:46 1999
From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson)
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:45:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] initial install Q's. [NEWBIE]
In-Reply-To: <199905052009.NAA19246@evg.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990505193316.25670A-100000@blues.jpj.net>

> User nobody
> Group nogroup

You have a nobody account, but no nogroup group (and I'm not stuttering).

> /etc/group
> root::0:root,gus
> bin::1:root,bin,daemon
> daemon::2:root,bin,daemon
> wheel::10:root,gus
> mail::12:mail
> mailman::104:mailman,gus
__
Trevor Johnson





From egus at efn.org  Thu May  6 07:45:46 1999
From: egus at efn.org (Eric Gus)
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:45:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] initial install Q's. [NEWBIE]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990505193316.25670A-100000@blues.jpj.net>
References: <199905052009.NAA19246@evg.org>
Message-ID: <199905060504.WAA20229@evg.org>

>You have a nobody account, but no nogroup group (and I'm not stuttering).

sorry, my bad.  I do have a nogroup group.  (and I think it was setup
automatically during the install of slackware itself (~1+yr ago)

nogroup::-2:






From alopeza at fing.edu.uy  Thu May  6 15:49:26 1999
From: alopeza at fing.edu.uy (Antonio Lopez)
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:49:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <015f01be97c7$41bc2d10$a02049a4@larry.fing.edu.uy>

Dear mailman-users:

I am trying to configure mailman 1.0b8 in a Linux system, and I have
problems with the wrapper. I could not subscribe to any list, because as the
subscription result I have the following mail:

    Reporting-MTA: dns; nutria.unesco.org.uy
    Received-From-MTA: DNS; ferrari.fing.edu.uy
    Arrival-Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:25:48 -0300

    Final-Recipient: RFC822; <foroagua-request at nutria.unesco.org.uy>
    X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
foroagua at nutria.unesco.org.uy
    Action: failed
    Status: 5.0.0
    Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:25:54 -0300

any help will be sincerely appreciated.
best regards,
    antonio.




From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Fri May  7 07:54:40 1999
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member data base
Message-ID: <199905070454.WAA26119@ns.kinfolk.org>

I have some web pages that I want to put up for use by members of a 
closed mailing list. Has anyone used the list database to restrict 
access to web pages other than those managed directly by Mailman? I 
would appreciate any insights on this idea.

Thanks,


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri May  7 10:23:21 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 03:23:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member data base
In-Reply-To: <199905070454.WAA26119@ns.kinfolk.org> from "Richard B. Pyne" at May 6, 99 10:54:40 pm
Message-ID: <199905070823.DAA23454@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Fri May  7 12:32:14 1999
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:32:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] `Password reminder' message lacks some helpful properties
Message-ID: <14130.49454.643371.781324@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

Observe the attached bounce message.  Unfortunately, I can't easily do
anything about it because the original message doesn't tell me which
list(s) it relates to.  Furthermore, the password reminders are sent
with envelope from mailman-owner rather than the listowner; this means
that the wrong person has to deal with it.

Would it be possible for a future version of Mailman to:

(a) Provide correct machine-readable information about which list(s)
the message relates to in the headers.  (Complete information would be
nice, but at least one correct entry would allow me to find a hook
into fixing the problem.)

(b) Change the envelope from for these messages to be the listowner of
at least one of the relevant lists.

?  (I'm using Mailman 1.0b11.)

Thanks,
Ian.

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From jlewis at prospace.org  Fri May  7 20:15:30 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:15:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maximum number of subscribers?
Message-ID: <00be01be98b5$a976f2c0$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>

I can't remember the specific details, but what is the maximum number of
subscribers that mailman can handle?  What is the practical number?

If it can hold thousands, is there any easy way to search the member list
for specific addresses?

The reason I ask this is I have a 19,000 member list that I'm thinking of
migrating, and some of the addresses in it are not the current addresses
users are using...  So when they ask to be removed, and can't find their
exact address, I need to do the greping to find them.

Also, do all users have to have passwords?  I can disable that can't I?

If these are dumb questions that have been answered somewhere, please point
me in that direction.

Thanks.





From jlewis at prospace.org  Sun May  9 15:49:05 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:49:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers still requiring moderation
Message-ID: <000901be9a22$b4c49420$37b415d0@woodberry.org>

After upgrading to 1.b11, listmembers of my lists are having their messages
require moderator approval, even though I've set them up to be allowed to
post.

What am I missing?  Is it a permissions thing?

Wish I could search the archives...

-John Lewis




From trevor at jpj.net  Sun May  9 16:32:19 1999
From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson)
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:32:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers still requiring moderation
In-Reply-To: <000901be9a22$b4c49420$37b415d0@woodberry.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990509102800.26555A-100000@blues.jpj.net>

> After upgrading to 1.b11, listmembers of my lists are having their messages
> require moderator approval, even though I've set them up to be allowed to
> post.
> 
> What am I missing?  Is it a permissions thing?

If the messages you and they get from Mailman, and the admininstration
page, mention "implicit" addressing, then the problem is that they sent to
the list via Bcc: and put friend at public.com or the like on the To: and Cc: 
lines.  I just explained to the writers that it was a small measure
against spam and asked that they address the list explicitly, and they had
no problem with that.
__
Trevor Johnson




From jlewis at prospace.org  Sun May  9 16:59:16 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:59:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers still requiring moderation
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990509102800.26555A-100000@blues.jpj.net>
Message-ID: <000401be9a2c$82d52d80$a2851bd0@woodberry.org>

> > After upgrading to 1.b11, listmembers of my lists are having their
messages
> > require moderator approval, even though I've set them up to be allowed
to
> > post.
> >
> > What am I missing?  Is it a permissions thing?
>
> If the messages you and they get from Mailman, and the admininstration
> page, mention "implicit" addressing, then the problem is that they sent to
> the list via Bcc: and put friend at public.com or the like on the To: and Cc:
> lines.  I just explained to the writers that it was a small measure
> against spam and asked that they address the list explicitly, and they had
> no problem with that.

Trevor, thanks for the message.  However, this is happening when listmembers
post directly to the list.  The list address is in the To: field.

- John Lewis




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon May 10 16:56:08 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:56:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers still requiring moderation
References: <000901be9a22$b4c49420$37b415d0@woodberry.org>
Message-ID: <14134.62344.221489.766827@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JL" == John Lewis <jlewis at prospace.org> writes:

    JL> After upgrading to 1.b11, listmembers of my lists are having
    JL> their messages require moderator approval, even though I've
    JL> set them up to be allowed to post.

    JL> What am I missing?  Is it a permissions thing?

Did you rerun configure when you upgraded?  Check Defaults.py to be
sure USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER=0 (or add that to your mm_cfg.py file).

    JL> Wish I could search the archives...

You can, actually.  The entire Python.Org web site is indexed at
<http://www.python.org/search>.  You should narrow your search to just
the SIGs.

-Barry



From dwight_dutton at titanic.arclight.net  Mon May 10 21:54:35 1999
From: dwight_dutton at titanic.arclight.net (Dwight J. Dutton)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:54:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers still requiring moderation
In-Reply-To: <14134.62344.221489.766827@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
References: <000901be9a22$b4c49420$37b415d0@woodberry.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.37.19990510125104.00969c10@titanic.arclight.net>

I may be ignorant here, but I have my own server up and I have root access 
on it, and it is running the new version of Red hat.  I have figured out 
what two files I need to download to get mailman  but I can't figure out 
the instructions to install it.

Basically I don't know what directory on my machine to put the archive file 
in and what commands to use to get it to unpack & install itself.  Basic 
stuff, but I'm not fully versed in Linux as of yet.  I looked for a very 
basic idiot proof instruction file but could not locate one, and I'm afraid 
of doing this wrong and blowing the system up.



From bernhard at uwm.edu  Tue May 11 08:16:29 1999
From: bernhard at uwm.edu (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:16:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Q] pipermail status & more
Message-ID: <19990511011629.H5959@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

Hi Mailmen,

thanks for this nice mailing list management software. 
I'm trying it out and it looks quite nice to far.
But I have a couple of questions.


Archiving: As pipermail is declared obsolete by its author,
what is the status of this package. It seems to be partially supported
by the mailman authors. Will it be supported?

Otherwise I think that mailman doesn't necessarily need to support an
archiving and searching web engine. Most people want a ready to
go solution and it would be easy to produce that using
hypermail and htdig. IMO most people would benefit from having
easy to-go instructions for setting up hypermail and htdig.
(I guess that I am an advocate of modularisation.)
Of course a state of the art mailarchive program in python would be
nice. ;)


Mailinglist management:
	Is there an options to have other posts as coming 
	from the subscriber and the allowed mailing addresses
	to go to the moderators for approval?

	I guess that I can use the "posters" option to 
	add totally different list member posting email addresses
	(e.g if someone as a totally different login)
	Wouldn't it be better to have a user-manageable option
	for this?


Option HTML page:
	I don't like that I get a different Webbrowser windows,
	when I press (Details) . (Okay it is easy to change,
	but still I wanted to let you know, that I don't like it.) :)


Kind Regards,
	Bernhard

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From egus at efn.org  Tue May 11 08:22:04 1999
From: egus at efn.org (Eric Gus)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:22:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives via html frames
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.37.19990510125104.00969c10@titanic.arclight.net>
References: <14134.62344.221489.766827@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
 <000901be9a22$b4c49420$37b415d0@woodberry.org>
Message-ID: <199905110541.WAA02554@evg.org>

got it all working (finally) and the archives and all work ok. yea!

Is there any info on doing some sort of a html frames version?  

What I'm looking for:
top frame - month index
left frame - msg threads (with option to view by auth/subj/date)
right from - msgbody (or custom intropage if you've just started viewing
the archive)

Gus





From egus at efn.org  Tue May 11 08:27:27 1999
From: egus at efn.org (Eric Gus)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:27:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: archives via html frames
Message-ID: <199905110547.WAA02588@evg.org>

sorry for the 'dupe'.  

Please see http://www.evg.org/~webdesign/listarchive/ for what I'm looking
for except with the ability to have it done by month as well (above link is
with mhonarc/majordomo)

>Is there any info on doing some sort of a html frames version?  
>
>What I'm looking for:
>top frame - month index
>left frame - msg threads (with option to view by auth/subj/date)
>right from - msgbody (or custom intropage if you've just started viewing
the archive)
>
>Gus
> 




From Dionysos at Dionysia.org  Tue May 11 16:22:21 1999
From: Dionysos at Dionysia.org (Dan Delaney)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives via html frames
In-Reply-To: <199905110541.WAA02554@evg.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905111019520.59237-100000@dionysia.org>

On Mon, 10 May 1999, Eric Gus wrote:
> got it all working (finally) and the archives and all work ok. yea!
> Is there any info on doing some sort of a html frames version?  

Take a look at my archive database program, written in PHP. The
messages are actually stored in MySQL--they are inserted into the
tables with a Perl program. It's being used right now on the
Harmonet mailing list (of which, I believe, you are a part) but it
can be used with any mailing list or any MLM:

   www.LouisvilleTimes.org/harmonet/

-- Dan
__________________________________________________________________________
 Daniel G. Delaney                                  Dionysos at Dionysia.org
                                               www.Dionysia.org/~dionysos




From dodger at toast.net  Tue May 11 18:17:30 1999
From: dodger at toast.net (Alan Barnes)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with message approval
Message-ID: <3738581A.449C3010@toast.net>

We are having a problem with the rc1 version of mailman.  The problem
also existed is previous versions I tried.  If you select to allow posts
only from members AND to not have to approve each message it doesn't
work right.  We still have to approve every message and the reason given
is that posts are allowed by members only.  How exactly is the mailman
try to determine if you are on the list?  Sometimes it looks like it's
getting it from Sender: and sometimes it looks like it's getting info
from one of the Recevied by tags.  I've tried it from 5 different mail
servers and I get the same results every time.  It tells me that posting
is restricted to members of the list.  One time it told me that I had to
approve the message for that reason and the From: address it listed in
the email to me WAS the same as the one I entered.  This program
(mailman) is great so if someone could help me out here I would
appreciate it.  Thanks!

Alan Barnes
dodger at toast.net



From Jean-Francois.Malouin at bic.mni.mcgill.ca  Tue May 11 20:19:57 1999
From: Jean-Francois.Malouin at bic.mni.mcgill.ca (Jean-Francois Malouin)
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:19:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists archives and sort by date
Message-ID: <19990511141957.A194934@thaisa.bic.mni.mcgill.ca>

Hi,

I just installed mailman-1.0rc1 and it looks great
even though I had quite a hard time to configure it and
set the permissions to be acceptable to sendmail-8.9.2
which is very picky about group writable directories.

Now my question: Is there a way to display the date
in the archive of the mailing list? 
It is particularly annoying not to have the date displayed 
when sorting the posts by date.

[ I'm new to python and have a very limited experience
with http and html editing...so bear with me please. ]

TIA
jf
-- 
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
                                                       - Phillip K. Dick



From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Wed May 12 11:34:49 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:34:49 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] system performance
Message-ID: <XFMail.990512113449.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

i'm running a mailman mailinglist on a Linux system... it also has
mysql and apache running and since it isnt too powerfull (due to lack of
finances... it has only 32mb and a P100 processor) i have to make sure the
programs running dont eat to much processor time/memory... it was running fine
untill i started using mailman+exim on it... the mailinglist has 646
subscribers right now and sometimes the system load on the machine grows
terribly when moderated mail is being approved on the list...(this morning
it took me 30 minutes to telnet to the machine and issue a shutdown)
what i want to do is to have a bit more delay between sending out the messages
to the subscribers (since it's moderated anyway it doesnt matter if a post
takes several minutes to be send out)... how can i accomplish this with
mailman? or do i have to tweak something in exim?

ps: one tip, since exim does a ident lookup with every smtp connection,
i changed the exim configuration not to do this for localhost connections 
since mailman makes a smtp connection to the localhost with *every* message
it sends out: your logs grow very fast and there's a lot of unnessary system
load IMHO...

Thanks,
Ricardo. 



From jdc at nterprise.net  Wed May 12 14:33:12 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:33:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperation Time! :)
Message-ID: <19990512063312.51616@denver.net>

I've been struggling with this issue off and on for months, and it's
time to beg, grovel, and plead for help.

mail sent to "listname" or "listname-request" seems to go into the
ether-bitbucket, often with a "DSN unknown mailer error 1"

At first, I thought the problem was the lockfile issue mentioned for
BSD machines using older version of python, so yesterday I installed
version 1.5 final.  No change.  Then I thought maybe it was a
mail-gid problem, but after several experiments changing the
GID and noticing the result, that isn't the problem either.

I am running sendmail with smrsh and procmail as the local delivery
agent.  I am *also* running majordomo lists on the same machine,
which also uses a "wrapper" program placed in .../sm.bin, so I'm 
wondering now if the problem is that I renamed mailman's wrapper
from "wrapper" to "mmwrapper" in the ~mailman/mail directory,
the .../sm.bin/ directory, *and* in the /etc/aliases file
for the mailing list.  I'm new to python so a "find -exec grep"
through the mailman sources turned up some references to wrapper
but I'm not sure if they were variablized or hardcoded.

Any help is appreciated.

-- 
John-David Childs (JC612)	Enterprise Internet Solutions
Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
Don't worry about avoiding temptation -- as you grow older, it starts
avoiding you.
		-- The Old Farmer's Almanac



From jdc at nterprise.net  Wed May 12 15:08:58 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:08:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperation Time! :)
In-Reply-To: <19990512063312.51616@denver.net>; from John-David Childs on Wed, May 12, 1999 at 06:33:12AM -0600
References: <19990512063312.51616@denver.net>
Message-ID: <19990512070858.61480@denver.net>

I hate following up on my own posts, but I did try renaming
the mailman wrapper back to wrapper (I had named it mmwrapper
to avoid a conflict with Majordomo's wrapper) in ~mailman/mail,
sm.bin (smrsh) and /etc/aliases, with no change...still
an "unknown mailer error 1" :(

On Wednesday May 12, 1999, John-David Childs <jdc at nterprise.net>
 had this to say about "[Mailman-Users] Desperation Time! :)":

> I am running sendmail with smrsh and procmail as the local delivery
> agent.  I am *also* running majordomo lists on the same machine,
> which also uses a "wrapper" program placed in .../sm.bin, so I'm 
> wondering now if the problem is that I renamed mailman's wrapper
> from "wrapper" to "mmwrapper" in the ~mailman/mail directory,
> the .../sm.bin/ directory, *and* in the /etc/aliases file
> for the mailing list.  I'm new to python so a "find -exec grep"
> through the mailman sources turned up some references to wrapper
> but I'm not sure if they were variablized or hardcoded.
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> John-David Childs (JC612)	Enterprise Internet Solutions
> Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
>   & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
> Don't worry about avoiding temptation -- as you grow older, it starts
> avoiding you.
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> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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avoiding you.
		-- The Old Farmer's Almanac



From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Wed May 12 15:13:28 1999
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:13:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: pipermail status & more
In-Reply-To: <199905120502.BAA26148@python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.37.19990512073440.026e5150@cs.uchicago.edu>

I'm going to disagree a bit with Bernhard Reiter's expressed preferences, 
but wanted to note up front that "de gustibus non disputandum" probably 
applies here.

 >Otherwise I think that mailman doesn't necessarily need to support an
 >archiving and searching web engine. Most people want a ready to
 >go solution and it would be easy to produce that using
 >hypermail and htdig. IMO most people would benefit from having
 >easy to-go instructions for setting up hypermail and htdig.

If it could be packaged together, and all the uid/gid settings reconciled, 
I could see it.  But in fact it was a recent bad experience with hypermail, 
while moving my organizations web site to a different host, that made me 
pay attention to the announcements of Mailman.  Maybe I got the wrong 
version of hypermail, or was expecting too much from it in terms of 
seamlessly absorbing a copied existing archive and picking up from there.

 >(I guess that I am an advocate of modularisation.)
 >Of course a state of the art mailarchive program in python would be
 >nice. ;)

I always *think* that I favor modularisation, but then end up admiring 
something that's nicely integrated, and fuming at something modular that 
doesn't pop together smoothly.

But whether it be a well-behaved hypermail, or pipermail, or their 
successor from Bernhard's wish-list, I hope that Mailman continues to "know 
about" the archives -- that is, keep that link to the archives along with 
the other links on a list's page, and keep the archiving options on each 
list's management pages along with the other sorts of options.

 >Mailinglist management:
 >	Is there an options to have other posts as coming
 >	from the subscriber and the allowed mailing addresses
 >	to go to the moderators for approval?
 >

Good idea.

 >Option HTML page:
 >	I don't like that I get a different Webbrowser windows,
 >	when I press (Details) . (Okay it is easy to change,
 >	but still I wanted to let you know, that I don't like it.) :)
 >

I really like having that come up as a separate "help" window, leaving 
undisturbed the main window where I'm picking checkboxes.  But then, I'm 
always amazed when I use browser-back to return to some form and it hasn't 
forgotten my choices so far; maybe I just need more faith :)

   --Mitch Marks


Mitchell Marks                          (773) 702-6041 AAC-010A
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
http://cuip.uchicago.edu/cuip
The University of Chicago -- fun and sun capital of the Midwest




From dave at infonaut.net  Wed May 12 19:22:04 1999
From: dave at infonaut.net (David Sean McNicholl)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:22:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privay options.
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.37.19990512073440.026e5150@cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9905121816210.2117-100000@tb.infonaut.net>

hi,
	I have a password protected list. I use administrator confirmation
of posts. Last night someone was able to modify my pages to remove this
option. Could they have done this without the password ? How can I check ?
	The person seems to have just been roaming around the mailman
pages, but how did he get to the admin section ? Like I say its password
protected ...

DAve.





From fraktal at gmx.de  Wed May 12 20:38:27 1999
From: fraktal at gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:38:27 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Language...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9905121816210.2117-100000@tb.infonaut.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9905121816210.2117-100000@tb.infonaut.net>
Message-ID: <373aca29.51051665@mail.pf.bawue.de>

HI,

I am not a tech-person; but how difficult would it be to 'port' the
user-inerfaces to e.g. German? (So that the web-interface is in German)

Would the work have to be done again with an update?

THX.

OG
-- 
Oliver Gassner
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Voice: 07042 978272 -- Fax 07042 940656



From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Thu May 13 14:59:30 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:59:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admindb features
Message-ID: <XFMail.990513145930.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

Here are some Moderate features I think would be really usefull in mailman:

1. an option to resend / forward a message held for approval to a certain 
   e-mail address.
   why? sometimes you don't want to accept a post on the mailinglist, but
   you want to be able to show it to others (fellow moderators for example)
2. filter html... s/</&lt;/g (forgive me, i'm a perl programmer :) )
   why? html messages with background, plugins, javascript and other crap
   mess up the pending message page. Which makes me wonder if it's any kind
   of security leak for people to be able to write javascript that will be
   run on *your* site.
3. only show attachment filenames / types instead of the MIME base64...
   why? if somebody sends a 1mb attachment to the list, it takes quite a while
   to view the pending page... and small attachments just mess it up...
   oh and plain-text digests aren't getting any better with attachments :(
4. the TODO says : "allow the admin to edit posts in the database (put a header
   in the post noting that it was edited by a moderator, however!) "
   what would be a better alternative IMHO is to allow the admin to add
   a comment on top of the message to be send to the list... the adimdb page
   could have a "add comment" textarea with every post held for approval...
   accepting a post with a non-empty comment could then add it to the post
   before it is send out to the list... 

   example:

========
   From: wimp at email.com
   To: mailman-users at python.org
   Subject: blah blah

   >****COMMENT FROM MODERATOR*******
   >
   >Read the INSTALL file in the source tree!
   >
   >****END OF MODERATOR COMMENT*****
  
   Hi,

   how can i install mailman on my redhat linux system?

   Thanks.
   
========    


i'm going to try to make these changes in my running mailman myself, but i dont
have much experience with python yet so i probably won't Do It The Right Way
(tm) ... but hopefully some of the features will appear in a future release of
mailman.

Ricardo.
--



From jlewis at prospace.org  Thu May 13 16:16:51 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:16:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper problems with sendmail, help
Message-ID: <005701be9d4b$50e14080$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>

I recently had to reinstall sendmail.  Now this is what I get:

The original message was received at Thu, 13 May 1999 09:02:14 -0400
from localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner prospace-board"
    (expanded from: prospace-board-admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner prospace-board"... Service
unavailable

Help.  How do I go about correcting this?

I'm now running sendmail 8.9.3-10.

Thanks.




From jdc at nterprise.net  Thu May 13 17:47:20 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:47:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper problems with sendmail, help
In-Reply-To: <005701be9d4b$50e14080$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>; from John Lewis on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 10:16:51AM -0400
References: <005701be9d4b$50e14080$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>
Message-ID: <19990513094720.02130@denver.net>

On Thursday May 13, 1999, John Lewis <jlewis at prospace.org>
 had this to say about "[Mailman-Users] wrapper problems with sendmail, help":

> I recently had to reinstall sendmail.  Now this is what I get:
> 

Grep your sendmail.cf file for "smrsh" (sendmail restricted shell).
If you have it, then the mailman wrapper program has to be copied
from ~mailman/mail to the "sm.bin" directory where smrsh looks for
"authorized" programs to run.  Sometimes this is /etc/adm/sm.bin,
or /usr/libexec/sm.bin, or /usr/local/etc/sm.bin (check the documentation
or source code you compiled).

Hehe...I just looked at the INSTALL file in the mailman distribution and
your question is right there, already answered.

> The original message was received at Thu, 13 May 1999 09:02:14 -0400
> from localhost
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner prospace-board"
>     (expanded from: prospace-board-admin)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner prospace-board"... Service
> unavailable
> 
> Help.  How do I go about correcting this?
> 
> I'm now running sendmail 8.9.3-10.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
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Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
You could get a new lease on life -- if only you didn't need the first
and last month in advance.



From tbowman at sequeltech.com  Thu May 13 17:58:19 1999
From: tbowman at sequeltech.com (Tom Bowman)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:58:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems setting up..
Message-ID: <81DCCCD6EFCED011AB5200805FA6FBC98ADF43@bellprod.sequeltech.com>

I just installed mailman on a slackware Linux box i am running.. it's
currently using sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3 .. 
if i send an email to the list i have setup (which appears to be setup
properly)
i get this error in my /var/adm/maillog:

May 13 09:00:46 absolut sendmail[4667]: JAA04667:
from=<tbowman at sequeltech.com>, size=450, class=0, pri=30450, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<81DCCCD6EFCED011AB5200805FA6FBC98ADF40 at bellprod.sequeltech.com>,
proto=ESMTP, relay=[207.109.88.2]
May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668: clone JAA04667,
owner=posse-admin
May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668:
to="|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper post posse", delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 126
May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668: JAB04668: DSN: unknown
mailer error 126
May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668:
to="|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner posse", delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 126
May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668: to=MAILER-DAEMON,
delay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=User unknown
May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668: JAC04668: return to
sender: User unknown

when mail is sent to posse at leech.org  [posse is the name of the list]
..

/etc/aliases:
mailman: juice at leech.org
mailman-owner: mailman at leech.org
posse:                   "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper post posse"
posse-admin:             "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner posse"
posse-request:           "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd posse"
owner-posse:             posse-admin
posse-owner:             posse-admin

..

any ideas would be greatly apreciated.. 

thank you..
tom




From jdc at nterprise.net  Thu May 13 18:03:12 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:03:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Desperation time
Message-ID: <19990513100311.60780@denver.net>

Yesterday I posted a question about why mail sent to a mailman mailing
list (or listowner) was going to the bitbucket with an error message
like "DSN Unknown Mailer Error 1" or "Operating System Error".

I theorized at first that it was my version of python (1.5.2b2?) 
and the fact that I'm using *BSD.  Upgrading to 1.5.2 final didn't help.

I also upgraded from mailman 1.0b9 to 1.0rc1.  Nope. Same problem.

Next, I theorized that my renaming of mailman's wrapper to "mmwrapper"
(to avoid conflicts with Majordomo's wrapper in my smrsh "sm.bin"
directory) might have triggered some hardcoded names in the mailman
scripts/sources.  Nope, that wasn't it either.

I was not getting any of the "wanted GID=XX, got GID=yy" errors from
wrapper common to other installations.  

I finally figured out a workaround, although I'm not happy at all with it.  
I had to install mailman's wrapper in the smrsh directory as root (the one
in the ~mailman/mail directory is owned by mailman.daemon).  I'm not
completely finished testing, but it looks like I have to set the SUID bit
too :(  This was necessary so that the wrapper program could assume what
ever priviledges it thought it needed.  Setting it to mailman.daemon with
the SGID bit set didn't seem to work.

So...do I have something else messed up in my installation?  I've never
seen anyone else complain that wrapper had to be root with smrsh (I'm not
sure if smrsh is the issue here or what).

-- 
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Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
You could get a new lease on life -- if only you didn't need the first
and last month in advance.



From jdc at nterprise.net  Thu May 13 18:19:34 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:19:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems setting up..
In-Reply-To: <81DCCCD6EFCED011AB5200805FA6FBC98ADF43@bellprod.sequeltech.com>; from Tom Bowman on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:58:19AM -0700
References: <81DCCCD6EFCED011AB5200805FA6FBC98ADF43@bellprod.sequeltech.com>
Message-ID: <19990513101934.63787@denver.net>

On Thursday May 13, 1999, Tom Bowman <tbowman at sequeltech.com>
 had this to say about "[Mailman-Users] problems setting up..":

> I just installed mailman on a slackware Linux box i am running.. it's
> currently using sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3 .. 
> if i send an email to the list i have setup (which appears to be setup
> properly)
> i get this error in my /var/adm/maillog:

It is possible you forgot to run "newaliases" after editing
your /etc/aliases file?  Only other thing I can think of is
that the permissions on your ~mailman tree might not allow
the wrapper program to "post" to the list because either the
script (post) or the lists directory permissions are too restrictive
or otherwise incorrect.

> 
> May 13 09:00:46 absolut sendmail[4667]: JAA04667:
> from=<tbowman at sequeltech.com>, size=450, class=0, pri=30450, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<81DCCCD6EFCED011AB5200805FA6FBC98ADF40 at bellprod.sequeltech.com>,
> proto=ESMTP, relay=[207.109.88.2]
> May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668: clone JAA04667,
> owner=posse-admin
> May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668:
> to="|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper post posse", delay=00:00:01,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 126
> May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668: JAB04668: DSN: unknown
> mailer error 126
> May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668:
> to="|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner posse", delay=00:00:00,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 126
> May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668: to=MAILER-DAEMON,
> delay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=User unknown
> May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668: JAC04668: return to
> sender: User unknown
> 
> when mail is sent to posse at leech.org  [posse is the name of the list]
> ..
> 
> /etc/aliases:
> mailman: juice at leech.org
> mailman-owner: mailman at leech.org
> posse:                   "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper post posse"
> posse-admin:             "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner posse"
> posse-request:           "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd posse"
> owner-posse:             posse-admin
> posse-owner:             posse-admin
> 
> ..
> 
> any ideas would be greatly apreciated.. 
> 
> thank you..
> tom
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
John-David Childs (JC612)	Enterprise Internet Solutions
Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
You could get a new lease on life -- if only you didn't need the first
and last month in advance.



From Jean-Francois.Malouin at bic.mni.mcgill.ca  Thu May 13 18:29:46 1999
From: Jean-Francois.Malouin at bic.mni.mcgill.ca (Jean-Francois Malouin)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:29:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems setting up..
In-Reply-To: <81DCCCD6EFCED011AB5200805FA6FBC98ADF43@bellprod.sequeltech.com>; from Tom Bowman on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:58:19AM -0700
References: <81DCCCD6EFCED011AB5200805FA6FBC98ADF43@bellprod.sequeltech.com>
Message-ID: <19990513122946.A25291@bottom.bic.mni.mcgill.ca>

On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:58:19AM -0700, Tom Bowman wrote:
> I just installed mailman on a slackware Linux box i am running.. it's
> currently using sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3 .. 
> if i send an email to the list i have setup (which appears to be setup
> properly)
> i get this error in my /var/adm/maillog:

[...snip...]

Check the permissions on *all* path components 
from / to /personal/mailman/mail/wrapper. 

Sendmail 8.9.x is very picky about group/world writable directories for
delivery via pipes to programs (among other things). 
You might have to start fiddling with DontBlameSendmail option.


HTH,
jf
-- 
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
                                                       - Phillip K. Dick



From mdmoore at ball.com  Thu May 13 19:11:49 1999
From: mdmoore at ball.com (Moore, Mark D)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:11:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Web pages not updating list configuration.
Message-ID: <ED55A6AE99D8D1119CF500805F6F7B67A01887@aeromsg3.ball.com>

> I've just installed Mailman 1.0rc1 for the first time. 
> The hardware is x86 running RedHat Linux v5.2
> 
> When using the admin web pages for a list (any list), the page
> drops me back to the 'List Administrative Password' prompt 
> after hitting the 'Submit Changes variable'. None of the changes
> are made, either. 
> 
> For instance, if changing a user's distribution to digest form, hitting
> the submit button, I'm dropped back to the 'List Administrative Password' 
> prompt. 
> 
> The Web server is Apache.
> 
> FollowSymLinks is turned on.
> Not error messages appear in /var/log/httpd/error_log,
> /var/log/httpd/access_log,
> or the /usr/local/mailman/log/error files.
> 
> This behavior is consistent on all administrative and user web pages. 
> 
> tia.
> 
> 						Mark
> 						--0-
> ------
> 
> Mark Moore, Systems Administrator
> Ball Aerospace & Technology Corp.
> 1600 Commerce Ave, CO-6				
> Boulder, CO 80301-2734
> 				
> (W)	303-939-6224
> (F)	303-939-5807
> mdmoore at ball.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------
> 



From jdc at nterprise.net  Thu May 13 19:39:13 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:39:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Web pages not updating list configuration.
In-Reply-To: <ED55A6AE99D8D1119CF500805F6F7B67A01887@aeromsg3.ball.com>; from Moore, Mark D on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 11:11:49AM -0600
References: <ED55A6AE99D8D1119CF500805F6F7B67A01887@aeromsg3.ball.com>
Message-ID: <19990513113913.04184@denver.net>

On Thursday May 13, 1999, Moore, Mark D <mdmoore at ball.com>
 had this to say about "[Mailman-Users] Admin Web pages not updating list configuration.":

> 
> > I've just installed Mailman 1.0rc1 for the first time. 
> > The hardware is x86 running RedHat Linux v5.2
> > 
> > When using the admin web pages for a list (any list), the page
> > drops me back to the 'List Administrative Password' prompt 
> > after hitting the 'Submit Changes variable'. None of the changes
> > are made, either. 

Turn cookies on in your browser.  This is what fixed it for me.
Yeah, I know, I hate em too :)

> > 
> > For instance, if changing a user's distribution to digest form, hitting
> > the submit button, I'm dropped back to the 'List Administrative Password' 
> > prompt. 
> > 
> > The Web server is Apache.
> > 
> > FollowSymLinks is turned on.
> > Not error messages appear in /var/log/httpd/error_log,
> > /var/log/httpd/access_log,
> > or the /usr/local/mailman/log/error files.
> > 
> > This behavior is consistent on all administrative and user web pages. 
> > 
> > tia.
> > 
> > 						Mark
> > 						--0-
> > ------
> > 
> > Mark Moore, Systems Administrator
> > Ball Aerospace & Technology Corp.
> > 1600 Commerce Ave, CO-6				
> > Boulder, CO 80301-2734
> > 				
> > (W)	303-939-6224
> > (F)	303-939-5807
> > mdmoore at ball.com
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -----------------------------------
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
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Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
You could get a new lease on life -- if only you didn't need the first
and last month in advance.



From jlewis at prospace.org  Thu May 13 23:36:22 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:36:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relaying denied problems with mailman and sendmail 8.9.3-10
Message-ID: <014e01be9d88$b727bb20$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>

Well, now that mailman works with sendmail 8.9.3-10 and smrsh, I now have
the following problem:

Sending any messages beyond the local host fails with a relaying denied
error.

Is anyone here familiar with sendmail.cf who can tell me what I need to do
to enable mailman to send messages to non local addresses?

help!

Here is the /var/log/maillog output:

May 13 21:15:29 hadron sendmail[1931]: VAA01931: clone VAA01930,
owner=mailman-test-admin
May 13 21:15:30 hadron sendmail[1931]: VAA01931:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman-test", delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
May 13 21:15:31 hadron sendmail[1946]: VAA01946: ruleset=check_rcpt,
arg1=<jnlewis at arachnerd.com>, relay=IDENT:mail at localhost [127.0.0.1],
reject=550 <jnlewis at arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied
May 13 21:15:31 hadron sendmail[1946]: VAA01946:
from=<mailman-test-admin at prospace.org>, size=1089, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0,
proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mail at localhost [127.0.0.1]
May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1949]: VAA01949: ruleset=check_rcpt,
arg1=<john_lewis at woodberry.org>, relay=IDENT:mail at localhost [127.0.0.1],
reject=550 <john_lewis at woodberry.org>.
.. Relaying denied
May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1949]: VAA01949:
from=<mailman-test-admin at prospace.org>, size=1089, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0,
proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mail at localhost [127.0.0.1]
May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1950]: VAA01950:
from=<mailman-test-admin at prospace.org>, size=1090, class=-60, pri=139090,
nrcpts=1, msgid=<014801be9d87$e964dd80$8a0210ac at woodberry.org>, proto=ESMTP,
relay=IDENT:mail at localhost [127.0.0.1]
May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1951]: VAA01950:
to=<prospace-list at prospace.org>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=local, stat=Sent [root at hadron jlewis]




From jlewis at prospace.org  Thu May 13 23:38:12 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:38:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 6.0's sendmail 8.9.3-10 and smrsh settings for mailman
Message-ID: <016601be9d88$f8879220$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>

With RedHat 6.0, running sendmail 8.9.3-10, sendmail by default runs through
smrsh.

Mailman's INSTALL file is correct in identifying the problem, and the
solution is correct.

However, the smrsh directory is /etc/smrsh on RedHat 6.0, not
/usr/admn/sm.bin.

Hope this helps.

- John Lewis
ProSpace Webmaster and Mailing List Maintainer




From jlewis at prospace.org  Thu May 13 23:46:38 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:46:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relaying denied addendum (logs/smtp-failures output)
Message-ID: <017501be9d8a$265f9ac0$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>

Here is what the mailman/logs.smtp-failures log had:

May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jnlewis at arachnerd.com']:
May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / jnlewis at arachnerd.com:
<jnlewis at arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied  (dequeued)
May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['john_lewis at woodberry.org']:
May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / john_lewis at woodberry.org:
<john_lewis at woodberry.org>... Relaying denied  (dequeued)

So clearly its a sendmail problem, but how? Is it yet another smrsh problem?
Where do I look to resolve this?

help!




From csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu  Thu May 13 23:41:08 1999
From: csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu (Soren Dayton)
Date: 13 May 1999 16:41:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relaying denied addendum (logs/smtp-failures output)
In-Reply-To: "John Lewis"'s message of "Thu, 13 May 1999 17:46:38 -0400"
References: <017501be9d8a$265f9ac0$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>
Message-ID: <xcdvhdwk5qj.fsf@hoohah.cs.uchicago.edu>

"John Lewis" <jlewis at prospace.org> writes:

> Here is what the mailman/logs.smtp-failures log had:
> 
> May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jnlewis at arachnerd.com']:
> May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / jnlewis at arachnerd.com:
> <jnlewis at arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied  (dequeued)
> May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['john_lewis at woodberry.org']:
> May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / john_lewis at woodberry.org:
> <john_lewis at woodberry.org>... Relaying denied  (dequeued)
> 
> So clearly its a sendmail problem, but how? Is it yet another smrsh problem?

Nope.

> Where do I look to resolve this?

You have some sort of relay things set up.  You need to make sure in
your access database that localhost or your mailing list servewr can
submit messages.

Soren



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu May 13 23:48:12 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:48:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relaying denied problems with mailman and sendmail 8.9.3-10
In-Reply-To: <014e01be9d88$b727bb20$8a0210ac@woodberry.org> from "John Lewis" at May 13, 99 05:36:22 pm
Message-ID: <199905132148.QAA00845@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From jlewis at prospace.org  Fri May 14 00:16:16 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:16:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relaying denied addendum (logs/smtp-failures output)
References: <017501be9d8a$265f9ac0$8a0210ac@woodberry.org> <xcdvhdwk5qj.fsf@hoohah.cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <019901be9d8e$4a1416e0$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>

Solved!

I just got it to work.

1) I removed the link to wrapper in /etc/smrsh and replaced it with a script
that has the following:

#! /bin/sh
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper $@

2) I added the following to /etc/mail/relay-domains

prospace.org
172.

Not sure which of these does the trick, but it works!

Thanks to all who helped.  Sendmail 8.9.3-10 has been a barnburner of a time
trying to get working...  And who said upgrades made things better?

--
John Lewis




From brian at hyperreal.org  Fri May 14 07:37:13 1999
From: brian at hyperreal.org (Brian Behlendorf)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:37:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird locking behavior...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905132110240.23890-100000@pez.hyperreal.org>

Hi.  Sorry for the newbie question.

FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE, qmail 1.03, python 1.5.2, delivering through a
virtualhost using a "mailman" user in /var/qmail/control/virtualhosts.

When a user subscribes through the public interface, two lockfiles
get created/touched in the locks directory:
 
  laswell# ls -l /home/mailman/locks/
  total 1
  -rw-rw-rw-  1 nobody  mailman   0 May 13 21:15 developer-announce.lock
  -rw-rw-r--  1 nobody  mailman  85 May 13 21:16 pending_subscriptions.lock

However, even after the script finishes running, those lockfiles remain.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the point of the lockfiles, but it seems like
they should disappear after the process is completed.  This may be a clue
to the real problem:

The presence of these lockfiles causes mailcmd to hang.  The subscriber
can send the confirmation message, it confirms them, the confirmation
"welcome to the list" message gets back to the subscriber, but then the
process doesn't die:

mailman 64327  0.0  0.1   776  360  p1  I    10:01PM   0:00.00 bin/qmail-local -- mailman /home/mailman mailman-developer-announce-request - developer-announce-request lists.sourcexchange.com brian at hy
mailman 64329  0.0  0.1   496  292  p1  I    10:01PM   0:00.00 /bin/sh -c /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd developer-announce
mailman 64330  0.0  0.5  2680 1320  p1  I    10:01PM   0:00.15 /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd developer-announce
mailman 64332  0.0  0.0     0    0  p1  Z    -         0:00.00  (sh)

ktrace on 64330 shows nothing, so something weird is getting triggered.  
When that process is killed, a message is sent to the subscriber:

  This is an automated response.

  There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
  the administrative address
  developer-announce-request at lists.sourcexchange.com.  If you want to
  reach the human being that manages this mailing list, please send your
  message to developer-announce-admin at lists.sourcexchange.com.  The
  following is a detailed description of the problems.


  ***** confirm 156719
  >>>>> Invalid confirmation number!
  Note that confirmation numbers e...



Heh, that "e..." sounds like it would have been interesting to hear!  And
note that it says "Invalid conf #", yet it succeeded, since the address
got subscribed and everything.  Nothing else is logged about that hung
process explaining why.

While this process is hung, pages on the web site hang, and further mail
processes hang too.  In short, the situation is not good.  =)

OK, so it sounds like one of the FAQ questions, right?  But I've gone
through the INSTALL notes as well as FAQ.* and it all looked kosher to me.
All the web scripts are setgid mailman and the mail wrapper is setgid as
well.

When I built the program I used 

  ./configure --with-cgi-gid=65534 --with-mail-gid=500

I do not see those "WANTED gid blah, GOT gid blah" messages, so I think
this is correct.  I actually tried following the advice in README.QMAIL
about setting the mail gid to be "nofiles", but then I started getting
that "WANTED/GOT" message, so I went back to gid 500, i.e. "mailman".

I could sit here all day killing python like a video game, but I'd rather
fix this.  What did I do wrong?

Let me know if anyone needs more data.

Thanks!

	Brian






From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Fri May 14 14:24:09 1999
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:24:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] speaking of archiving ...
In-Reply-To: <199905140503.BAA09305@python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.37.19990514071602.047fbc20@cs.uchicago.edu>

Two of the lists I will be migrating to Mailman already have a couple years 
of archives, built up by hypermail (on a different host from where the 
slist mail management is running).  Any suggestions on how to integrate the 
old archives with the new ones that Mailman+pipermail will be 
establishing?  Or is there nothing both easy and more inviting than adding 
a "follow this link for archives from before June 1999" -- which I confess 
is the extent of my plan at this point.

Thanks,

   -- Mitch Marks


Mitchell Marks                          (773) 702-6041 AAC-010A
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
http://cuip.uchicago.edu/cuip
"The UofC -- still perfecting the R.M. Hutchins Exercise Program"




From kruger at colt.saic.com  Fri May 14 22:07:53 1999
From: kruger at colt.saic.com (Scott Kruger)
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:07:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Message-ID: <99051413124901.00974@colt.saic.com>



I just set up Mailman under Debian Linux using smail.  I set up a users mailing
list but right now it is not working - obviously because I have not set up the
mail alias.  Is this automated in any way by mailman?  It seems like such a
nice package there must be some way of having this automated.   smail allows
the creation of lists just by putting a file with the email addresses in
/etc/smail/lists  Is there an easy way of doing this?

Scott


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|  Science Applications Intl. Corp.                kruger at colt.saic.com |
|  10260 Campus Point Dr., MS E3X                 Phone: (619) 646-9505 |   
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From tomaz.borstnar at over.net  Mon May 17 02:26:14 1999
From: tomaz.borstnar at over.net (Tomaz Borstnar)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:26:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman rc1 and zmailer doesn't cooperate?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.37.19990517022205.00d21b60@193.189.189.100>

Hello!

	I downloaded rc1 and everything went smoothly except 2 things:

- make install failed with templates - switch to GNU make cured the problem
- when sending mail to list maintainer with newlist Zmailer complained 
about bad behaviour:

94508r  mail FROM:<mailman-owner at lists.over.net> size=1521
94508w  250 2.1.0 Sender syntax Ok
94508r  rcpt TO:<tomaz.borstnar at over.net> NOTIFY=failure
94508w  250 2.1.5 Ok; can accomodate 1521 byte message
94508r  data
94508w  501 5.5.4 Extra junk after 'DATA' verb
94508#  Session closed w/o QUIT

Zmailer is usually very conforming to standard so I guess Mailman is too 
lax which is not good. What does it do after 'data'?

Using FreeBSD 3.2-Beta, ZMailer 2.99.50s18 and python 1.5.2 and Mailman 
rc1. All latest as you can see.


Thanks in advance.

Tomaz
----
Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar at over.net>
"Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown



From quickfinder at yahoo.com  Mon May 17 09:37:01 1999
From: quickfinder at yahoo.com (surendra rajbanshi)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:37:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem seting up mailman
Message-ID: <19990517073701.14773.rocketmail@web125.yahoomail.com>

Hello,

I have setup mailman to access POP3 mail from web for our users, Some
time it works fine and some times it shows the incomming message and
when trying to read the mail it gives the Error mesage on right-hand
side buttom frame, The error message is as follows-

Error Message: No login provided, cannot proceed.

it does not happen evertime, Have some one face this problem. if so
Please send me suggestion I will be appriciate.

Thanks,
_____________________________________________________________
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Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com



From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Mon May 17 09:56:54 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:56:54 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stalled / locks?
Message-ID: <XFMail.990517095654.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

When I approve a post in the admindb interface (mailman rc1), the connection
"stalls" for several seconds after the new page has been brought up... the
weird thing is that the full html output has been displayed on the browser,
but apperantly, the http connection isn't closed immediately after this...
could this be a lock-file problem? I know it doesnt really look like a huge
problem, but since i'm running mailman our poor little p100/32mb server is
barfing on *huge* loads sometimes, making it almost impossible to telnet and
reset the server ... this often happens shortly after a moderator has approved
several posts through the admin interface.

Ricardo.




From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Mon May 17 13:02:14 1999
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:02:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught recipients.remove not in list in Post (1.0b11)
Message-ID: <m10jL9y-001UjlC@scarp.ncipher.com>

I got the error page below when trying to approve a message for
posting.  The message was submitted with From: address which doesn't
match a subscriber address, which was why it was sent to me for
approval (the list has no posting from nonmembers).

Ian.


Bug in Mailman version 1.0b11

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of
what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 124, in main
    HandleRequests(doc)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 214, in HandleRequests
    list.HandleRequest(request, v)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
    self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 131, in HandlePostRequest
    self.Post(msg, 1)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1236, in Post
    recipients.remove(self.GetUserSubscribedAddress(sender))
ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list



From Lorenzo.Cavassa at ALPcom.IT  Mon May 17 13:36:20 1999
From: Lorenzo.Cavassa at ALPcom.IT (Lorenzo Cavassa)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:36:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domains
Message-ID: <19990517113620.A14830@monviso.alpcom.it>

Hi,

i would like to run Mailman hosting several mailing lists with several domains.
An example:

- two ml. : test at domain1.com, test at domain2.com
- the internal naming is: domain1.test and domain2.test
- i configure the MTA to accept test at domain1.com and test at domain2.com and to
route email for these ml. to domain1.test and to domain2.test

How can i instruct MailMan to hide the internal naming in welcome
messages to subscribe users?

Thank you!

Lorenzo



From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Mon May 17 13:42:43 1999
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:42:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught list.remove error on posting
Message-ID: <14144.179.203895.153303@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

One of the subscribers to one of my lists turned off mail delivery and
also set `not metoo'.

This caused the error below.

(I've mangled the DNS domain names in the message below to stop the
subscriber and/or the list submission address getting spammed.)

Ian.

From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon at chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM>
To: owner-mailman at chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM
Subject: Mail delivery failed
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:37 +0100

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message sent by

  <bjh21 at DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM>

could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es)
failed:

  userv-discuss at chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM:
    generated |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post userv-discuss

The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:

------ |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post userv-discuss ------

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
    current_list.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1236, in Post
    recipients.remove(self.GetUserSubscribedAddress(sender))
ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list

------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------

Return-path: <bjh21 at DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM>
Received: from ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM [131.111.8.6] (cusexim)
	by chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1)
	id 10jLWY-0005UC-00 (Debian); Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:34 +0100
Received: from bjh21 (helo=localhost)
	by ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM with local-smtp (Exim 3.00 #1)
	id 10jLWW-0000ML-00
	for userv-discuss at chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:32 +0100
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:31 +0100 (BST)
From: Ben Harris <bjh21 at HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM>
To: userv-discuss at chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM
Subject: Pidfiles
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990517122435.21344H-100000 at ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender: Ben Harris <bjh21 at DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM>



From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Mon May 17 14:12:45 1999
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:12:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Exim -odqr, Python's `own' SMTP, etc.
Message-ID: <14144.1981.424286.97379@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

I'd like to be able to get Mailman to deliver mail other than via
SMTP-over-TCP.  This is because I want to give the MTA (Exim) a
special delivery mode option which I've found greatly improves SMTP
connection reuse and general efficiency.  I'd also like to avoid ident
lookups etc.

I can see roughly two ways to do this:

1. Provide my own version of TrySMTPDelivery which calls
   /usr/sbin/sendmail (really Exim) with appropriate options.

2. Somehow get Python's smtplib to use sendmail -bs (and pass
   appropriate options to sendmail).

1 is easy to write; 2 looks somewhat harder without modifying both
Python's smtplib and Mailman, and even then I have to do the 822
address parsing by hand[1].  However, I want to do 1 in a way that
will get my patch accepted, so that I don't have to maintain the
variant.  I also want it to be configurable at runtime, of course.

So, what would be the canonical Python or Mailman way of doing this ?
Enclose the body of TrySMTPDelivery in a big `if' ?  Move the body
into a new function and turn TrySMTPDelivery into a layer of
indirection ?

Is such a change likely to be accepted in any case, or will I have to
maintain a local version (which means I'll try for the patch with the
lowest changed-lines-count) ?

Ian.

[1] Or read the source for Python's rfc822 module to find out whether
it does dequoting right and what the output quoting conventions are -
and even then I have to do 821 quoting myself.



From tomaz.borstnar at over.net  Mon May 17 16:00:43 1999
From: tomaz.borstnar at over.net (Tomaz Borstnar)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:00:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman rc1 and zmailer doesn't cooperate?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.37.19990517022205.00d21b60@193.189.189.100>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.37.19990517155131.00a5a650@193.189.189.100>

At 02:26 17.5.99 , Tomaz Borstnar wrote the following message:
>- when sending mail to list maintainer with newlist Zmailer complained 
>about bad behaviour:
>94508r  mail FROM:<mailman-owner at lists.over.net> size=1521
>94508w  250 2.1.0 Sender syntax Ok
>94508r  rcpt TO:<tomaz.borstnar at over.net> NOTIFY=failure
>94508w  250 2.1.5 Ok; can accomodate 1521 byte message
>94508r  data
>94508w  501 5.5.4 Extra junk after 'DATA' verb
>94508#  Session closed w/o QUIT

Here is same thing with cat's flags to show non-printable characters:

94681r^Imail FROM:<mailman-test-request at lists.over.net> size=1102$
94681w^I250 2.1.0 Sender syntax Ok$
94681r^Ircpt TO:<tomaz.borstnar at over.net> NOTIFY=failure$
94681w^I250 2.1.5 Ok; can accomodate 1102 byte message$
94681r^Idata $
94681w^I501 5.5.4 Extra junk after 'DATA' verb$
94681#^ISession closed w/o QUIT$

As you can see it's Mailman sending extra space after command - which is 
not good and which is why Zmailer rejects the message thus making Mailman 
unusable for me. Am I the only one noticing this?

Tomaz
----
Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar at over.net>
"Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown



From jlewis at prospace.org  Mon May 17 16:48:18 1999
From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:48:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need queue error help
Message-ID: <001d01bea074$5ef4bae0$8a0210ac@woodberry.org>

Greetings,

What does this error mean?  And how do I go about resolving it?

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ?
    OutgoingQueue.processQueue()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 121, in processQueue
    recip,sender,text = marshal.load(f)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

I get one of these messages every half hour.

Thanks




From bac at ivc.com  Mon May 17 18:00:41 1999
From: bac at ivc.com (Brad Crittenden)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:00:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] incomplete archives
Message-ID: <000601bea07e$6a1fb960$5e381bd8@festus.ivc.com>

hello:

i've been running a list using mailmanB7 since last december.  i just
noticed that the private archive pages don't have anything since april
26, 1999.  the text file and the list.mbox are current.

originally the list was marked to start a new archive yearly.  i've
tried changing that to quarterly to see if it would cause a
re-generation of the archive web page but that didn't work.

any suggestions?

thanks,
brad

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Tel. 919-468-9901 x 111                    Fax. 919-468-9904




From ricardo at vin.nl  Mon May 17 17:59:01 1999
From: ricardo at vin.nl (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:59:01 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman, Exim -odqr, Python's `own' SMTP, etc.
Message-ID: <XFMail.990517175901.ricardo@vin.nl>

> special delivery mode option which I've found greatly improves SMTP
> connection reuse and general efficiency.  I'd also like to avoid ident
> lookups etc.

i added this to my exim configure:
rfc1413_except_hosts = 127.0.0.1

to prevent identd lookup from localhost smtp connections...

Ricarod.



From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Mon May 17 18:30:06 1999
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:30:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman, Exim -odqr, Python's `own' SMTP, etc.
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990517175901.ricardo@vin.nl>
References: <XFMail.990517175901.ricardo@vin.nl>
Message-ID: <14144.17422.422439.404673@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

Ricardo Kustner writes ("Re: Mailman, Exim -odqr, Python's `own' SMTP, etc."):
> > special delivery mode option which I've found greatly improves SMTP
> > connection reuse and general efficiency.  I'd also like to avoid ident
> > lookups etc.
> 
> i added this to my exim configure:
> rfc1413_except_hosts = 127.0.0.1
> 
> to prevent identd lookup from localhost smtp connections...

I could do this but I don't want to lose traceability of mail sent by
any one of my hundred or so local users.

Ian.



From jdc at nterprise.net  Mon May 17 22:43:01 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <19990517113620.A14830@monviso.alpcom.it>; from Lorenzo Cavassa on Mon, May 17, 1999 at 11:36:20AM +0000
References: <19990517113620.A14830@monviso.alpcom.it>
Message-ID: <19990517144301.61251@denver.net>

I agree.  I think this is an RFE.  The "internal name" of the
list can be hidden from most users who visit the web page(s), because
mailman provides the opportunity to edit the HTML for each list.
However, no such mechanism is provided for modifying the 'system default'
welcome message for each group (one can only add information to
it..unless you modify the template for ALL mailing lists).

For instance, I have two jokes at somedomain lists running at two different
(nonprimary) domains...but internally one is called "jokes at primarydomain"
(the first one) and the second one is called "jokers at primarydomain".
The welcome message uses the "host name this list prefers" option
in the general config to define the list names as "jokes at domain1" (good)
and "jokers at domain2" (bad).  Basically...a simple "alias" config
option should fix it (i.e. in the field where we can only make
"case-changes" to the public name...we should be able to define the
public name of the list separately from the actual (internal) name of the
list)

On Monday May 17, 1999, Lorenzo Cavassa <Lorenzo.Cavassa at ALPcom.IT>
 had this to say about "[Mailman-Users] Multiple domains":

> Hi,
> 
> i would like to run Mailman hosting several mailing lists with several domains.
> An example:
> 
> - two ml. : test at domain1.com, test at domain2.com
> - the internal naming is: domain1.test and domain2.test
> - i configure the MTA to accept test at domain1.com and test at domain2.com and to
> route email for these ml. to domain1.test and to domain2.test
> 
> How can i instruct MailMan to hide the internal naming in welcome
> messages to subscribe users?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Lorenzo
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
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Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
Only adults have difficulty with childproof caps.



From claw at varesearch.com  Mon May 17 22:57:09 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:57:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman rc1 and zmailer doesn't cooperate? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar@over.net> 
   of "Mon, 17 May 1999 16:00:43 +0200." <4.2.0.37.19990517155131.00a5a650@193.189.189.100> 
Message-ID: <E10jURh-0001rT-00@under.varesearch.com>

On Mon, 17 May 1999 16:00:43 +0200 
Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar at over.net> wrote:

> As you can see it's Mailman sending extra space after command -
> which is not good and which is why Zmailer rejects the message
> thus making Mailman unusable for me. 

Per my reading its legal per the RFC.  ZMailer needs to be fixed.

-- 
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---------(*)                Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Tue May 18 07:22:54 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:22:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stalled / locks?
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990517095654.ricardo@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990518072254.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

On 17-May-99 Ricardo Kustner wrote:
> When I approve a post in the admindb interface (mailman rc1), the connection
> "stalls" for several seconds after the new page has been brought up... the
> weird thing is that the full html output has been displayed on the browser,
> but apperantly, the http connection isn't closed immediately after this...
> could this be a lock-file problem? 

i reply to my own post... when i approve a post and do a ps -ax on the server,
i can see python hanging around as a "zombie" process during the stall-time
of a the approval submit...

Ricardo.
--



From andy at nachoz.com  Tue May 18 16:27:00 1999
From: andy at nachoz.com (Andy Harrison)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:27:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web setup
Message-ID: <XFMail.990518102700.andy@nachoz.com>

I recently upgraded my Mailman to 1.0rc1 from 1.07b.  Anyway, the configure,
install, and upgrade seemed to go without incident.  I also had upgraded apache
a little while back and in doing so I accidentally blew away some of the
mailman config stuff.  

So now, I have re-added:

access.conf:
<Directory /home/mailman/cgi-bin>
AllowOverride None
Options ExecCGI
</Directory>


<Directory /home/mailman/archives/public>
Options FollowSymLinks
</Directory>

<Directory /home/mailman/archives/private>
Options FollowSymLinks
</Directory>


srm.conf:
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin


My /home/mailman/cgi-bin directory is as follows (so you can see the perms):
[/home/mailman/cgi-bin] # ls -la
total 202
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 May 18 09:22 .
drwxrwsr-x  15 mailman  mailman      1024 Jan 22 12:26 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18953 May 18 09:22 admin
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18957 May 18 09:22 admindb
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18957 May 18 09:22 archives
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18957 May 18 09:22 edithtml
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18965 May 18 09:22 handle_opts
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18957 May 18 09:22 listinfo
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18957 May 18 09:22 options
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18957 May 18 09:22 private
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18953 May 18 09:22 roster
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     18961 May 18 09:22 subscribe




Now I get various errors in the apache error_log:
"attempt to invoke directory as script: /home/mailman/cgi-bin"
"File does not exist: /home/httpd/html/mailman"
"script not found or unable to stat: /home/mailman/cgi-binlistinfo"
"script not found or unable to stat: /home/mailman/cgi-binadmin"


And through netscape when I attempt to access my 
/mailman/listinfo/laughs/ directory I get nothing more than the Not Found error.


I did my ./configure with gid's of 99 which matches the user/group set in my
httpd.conf file.


I'm running apache-1.3.3-1 under Red Hat with python-1.5.1-4 installed.  


Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx!


---------------------------------
E-Mail:  Andy Harrison <andy at nachoz.com>
Date:  18-May-99
Time:  10:08:51

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From Andy.Carpenter at cs.man.ac.uk  Tue May 18 17:09:27 1999
From: Andy.Carpenter at cs.man.ac.uk (Andy Carpenter)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:09:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web setup
References: <XFMail.990518102700.andy@nachoz.com>
Message-ID: <007501bea140$6eb16150$62c15882@cs.man.ac.uk>

> srm.conf:
> Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin

You need the trailing / after the cgi-bin

    Andy.
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
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Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester, Manchester M13
9PL, UK
Email: Andy.Carpenter at cs.man.ac.uk Tel: +44 161 275 6168 Fax: +44 161 275
6280




From sms at netconcepts.com  Tue May 18 21:38:54 1999
From: sms at netconcepts.com (Stephan Spencer)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:38:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Usenet gating and archiving
In-Reply-To: <14126.1469.692412.473957@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9905181431390.19158-100000@nexus.netconcepts.com>

I want to use Mailman's post-wrapper to send messages that we approve
through Mailman on to the newsgroup we're moderating. Except Mailman
doesn't put the required "Approved" line in the header, so the posting to
Usenet gets rejected. Will you guys be fixing this so that the gating
works with moderated newsgroups?

Cheers,
Stephan Spencer

On Mon, 3 May 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> The trick I came up with is to set the python-announce-list alias to
> send directly to the n.g. moderators and /not/ to Mailman's
> post-wrapper.  When the n.g. moderator approves of the message,
> they'll forward it on to the n.g.  When Mailman sees the message show
> up on the n.g. it forwards it on to the list members pre-approved and
> without going through the aliases file again.  So far, I /think/ this
> is working pretty well.




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue May 18 21:52:22 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:52:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Usenet gating and archiving
References: <14126.1469.692412.473957@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<Pine.GSO.4.02.9905181431390.19158-100000@nexus.netconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <14145.50422.28416.688494@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "SS" == Stephan Spencer <sms at netconcepts.com> writes:

    SS> I want to use Mailman's post-wrapper to send messages that we
    SS> approve through Mailman on to the newsgroup we're
    SS> moderating. Except Mailman doesn't put the required "Approved"
    SS> line in the header, so the posting to Usenet gets
    SS> rejected. Will you guys be fixing this so that the gating
    SS> works with moderated newsgroups?

I use Mailman to gate the moderated newsgroup
comp.lang.python.announce.  The approach I've taken (which so far
seems to be working) is to set up two lists, one which manages the
Usenet moderation, and the other that manages the mailing list
gateway.  There's one trick, which you'll see below.

Here's essentially the sendmail aliases I have in place:

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
## Newsgroup moderators
python-announce:     announce-moderators
announce-moderators: clpya.moderators at where.they.are.com

## Mailman aliases
python-announce-list:         python-announce
python-announce-list-admin:   "|/export/parrot/mailmalt/mail/wrapper mailowner p
ython-announce-list"
python-announce-list-request: "|/export/parrot/mailmalt/mail/wrapper mailcmd pyt
hon-announce-list"
owner-python-announce-list: python-announce-list-admin
python-announce-list-owner: python-announce-list-admin
-------------------- snip snip --------------------

Normally, people wanting to make announcements should send them to
python-announce at python.org.  These get forwarded to the moderators,
and when approved eventually show up on the n.g. (how the moderators
actually do this is magic to me :-).

Folks can subscribe to announcements via python-announce-list which
sucks messages off Usenet and does its thing.  The trick is that
python-announce-list forwards messages to python-announce and /not/ to
the Mailman wrapper.  Otherwise, random users would post to
python-announce-list and the message would go out to the membership
without having gone through the Usenet moderators.  Not good.  This is
the one modification you need to make to the aliases that bin/newlist
spits out.

This way, because Mailman treats Usenet postings as already approved,
nothing more needs to happen.

-Barry



From M.Finselbach at gmx.de  Tue May 18 21:58:36 1999
From: M.Finselbach at gmx.de (Michael Finselbach)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:58:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin requests
References: <XFMail.990518102700.andy@nachoz.com>
Message-ID: <3741C66C.1E4D2894@gmx.de>

Hi,

we are (still) using mailman 1.0b.11
When I get a request to approve, reject or discard a "held message" on a moderated list
and I confirm "Approve" - click on the submit all data - just how long should it take
before the held message is mailed??
Although it says "database updated":
Sometimes the mail doesn't seem to get mailed at all, and I still see the very mail hanging
around, and, yes - I had to enter my password again to see the "updated" page.


Would that problem be solved with an update to the current version?

thanks,
Michael
-------------------------
   HeLP PI Frankfurt
   Gutleutstr. 8 -12
   60329 Frankfurt/M
Tel:   069 / 2568 - 336
Fax:   069 / 2568 - 320
Pri: 06074 / 61419



From andy at nachoz.com  Wed May 19 03:27:48 1999
From: andy at nachoz.com (Andy Harrison)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:27:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web setup
In-Reply-To: <007501bea140$6eb16150$62c15882@cs.man.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990518212748.andy@nachoz.com>

On 18-May-99 Andy Carpenter wrote:
>> srm.conf:
>> Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
>> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin
> 
> You need the trailing / after the cgi-bin
> 
>     Andy.


...  groan  ...      Thanx dude.   :)


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From andy at nachoz.com  Wed May 19 05:56:29 1999
From: andy at nachoz.com (Andy Harrison)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:56:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo/
Message-ID: <XFMail.990518235629.andy@nachoz.com>

Everything's working beautifully in my MailMan setup...  cept for one last
little thing.  It's barely worth mentioning, but it's nagging me, so I thought
I'd ask.  

When I point my browser to my website with just a /mailman/listinfo/, it should
bring up a list of the public lists, however it states that there are no public
lists.  I went to each of my lists and verified that it was indeed marked
public and the ownership and perms of the files seem to be right what they
should be.  

Any clues?

Thanx!

---------------------------------
E-Mail:  Andy Harrison <andy at nachoz.com>
Date:  18-May-99
Time:  23:52:45

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From bareed at ayna.com  Wed May 19 05:54:31 1999
From: bareed at ayna.com (Adonis El Fakih)
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:54:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?CP-1256?B?TXVsdGlsaW5ndWFsIHN1cHBvcnQ=?=
Message-ID: <199905190354.XAA14051@bareed.ayna.com>

Howdy,

My name is Adonis.  I am new to Mailman, and wanted to know if Multilingual 
support of lists is already incorporated.  I saw some posts about this in 
the Archive, but I did not see anything in the documentation. I also wanted 
help in configuring a read-only list.  I read through the distribution 
documentation, and archive and found no reference to that option.

Any pointers will be greatly appretiated.

Adonis

______________________________________________________________
Ayna, E-mail that speaks your language - http://login.ayna.com



From Andy.Carpenter at cs.man.ac.uk  Wed May 19 10:06:42 1999
From: Andy.Carpenter at cs.man.ac.uk (Andy Carpenter)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:06:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo/
References: <XFMail.990518235629.andy@nachoz.com>
Message-ID: <004101bea1ce$8a7d8790$62c15882@cs.man.ac.uk>

> Everything's working beautifully in my MailMan setup...  cept for one last
> little thing.  It's barely worth mentioning, but it's nagging me, so I
thought
> I'd ask.
>
> When I point my browser to my website with just a /mailman/listinfo/, it
should
> bring up a list of the public lists, however it states that there are no
public
> lists.  I went to each of my lists and verified that it was indeed marked
> public and the ownership and perms of the files seem to be right what they
> should be.

Andy,

   On the privacy options page the "Advertise this list..." option, at
the top, needs to be set to yes.  If this is set then the virtual hosting
support, that is on by default, means that the "Base URL..." option,
at the bottom of the general options page, must match the host
to which you have connected for the list to be mentioned.  One way
to check that this is the reason for you list not being mentioned is to
go to the /mailman/admin page.  This lists all of the known list regardless
of which virtual host they are on.

    Andy.

p.s. The help information for the "Base URL..." option indicates that
an exact match between the given URL and the URL connected
to may not be necessary.  I've always operated with an exact
match.





From fraktal at gmx.de  Wed May 19 12:36:33 1999
From: fraktal at gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:36:33 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support
In-Reply-To: <199905190354.XAA14051@bareed.ayna.com>
References: <199905190354.XAA14051@bareed.ayna.com>
Message-ID: <37568122.17758272@mail.pf.bawue.de>

Your  (Adonis El Fakih <bareed at ayna.com>) mail on Tue, 18 May 1999
23:54:31 -0400:

>Howdy,
>
>My name is Adonis.  I am new to Mailman, and wanted to know if Multilingual 
>support of lists is already incorporated.  I saw some posts about this in 
>the Archive, but I did not see anything in the documentation. I also wanted 
>help in configuring a read-only list.  I read through the distribution 
>documentation, and archive and found no reference to that option.

I asked something like that a week ago and tehre was no reply.

I would like to port Mailman to German. If this has already been done
I'd like a word with the person who did :).

I am not a tech-person; I 'just' wanna run a list. (I am running
severeal Mailman-Lists already, but at least opne ought to be in
German...)

OG
-- 
>             'Usenet ist das Ding mit den Menschen,
>              Internet ist das Ding mit den Kabeln.'
>                                       Hubert Partl
Rezensionen          --> http://www.carpe.com/buch/



From kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu  Wed May 19 13:13:56 1999
From: kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu (Kadlecsik Jozsi)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:13:56 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support
In-Reply-To: <37568122.17758272@mail.pf.bawue.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9905191308460.17992-100000@sunserv.kfki.hu>

On Wed, 19 May 1999, Oliver Gassner wrote:

> I would like to port Mailman to German. If this has already been done
> I'd like a word with the person who did :).

One would think, it was enough to translate the template pages of the
mailing lists. However, there are hardcoded English text in Mailman, which
appears on the web pages (e.g. subscribe confirmation) :-((.

Regards,
Jozsef
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From richard at linsup.com  Wed May 19 13:21:23 1999
From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:21:23 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install troubles
Message-ID: <000301bea1e9$ba590280$22e423cb@perch.infoadv.com.au>

Hi -

I'm having a bit of trouble with the install... using the INSTALL file of
mailman-1.0rc1

Step 1 - noproblem.

Step 2 - cd to the src directory, ./configure doesn't work, ../configure
appears to work fine.

make install results in a bunch of errors starting with:

Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/logs
/bin/sh: ./mkinstalldirs: No such file or directory

There is no mkinstalldirs in the src directory, so I copy it there from the
mailman-1.0rc1 directory.

Try make install again - it makes a whole bunch of directories in
/home/mailman and then:

Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/cgi-bin
mkdir /home/mailman/cgi-bin
Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/mail
mkdir /home/mailman/mail
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman-1.0rc1/src/bin'
for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members
remove_m
embers clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \
done
/usr/bin/install: digest_arch: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/install: mmsitepass: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/install: newlist: No such file or directory


What now???????????

Thanks,

Richard.


Richard Ames
linsup.com, Sydney, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9144-6131, Fax: +61 2 9144-6138
mailto:richard at linsup.com   http://www.linsup.com




From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Wed May 19 15:07:19 1999
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:07:19 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support
In-Reply-To: <37568122.17758272@mail.pf.bawue.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9905191453370.11481-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Wed, 19 May 1999, Oliver Gassner wrote:

> >
> >My name is Adonis.  I am new to Mailman, and wanted to know if Multilingual 
> >support of lists is already incorporated.  I saw some posts about this in 
> 
> I am not a tech-person; I 'just' wanna run a list. (I am running
> severeal Mailman-Lists already, but at least opne ought to be in
> German...)
> 

Greetings, I must step forward. I had contacted the core developers
privately to start a project to get multilingual suppuort into Mailman. I
have got a possible asignement from which I could move some funding intro
the project. We are in the phase of defining a procedure to do it so it
won't have to be redone with every new release or with every new language.

Onece we have a plan we will write a proposal and submit it for public
review. As our main taget language is spanish, we will need to support 
ISO-8859-1.

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From fraktal at gmx.de  Wed May 19 16:00:01 1999
From: fraktal at gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:00:01 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9905191453370.11481-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9905191453370.11481-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>
Message-ID: <3748c3d0.34830518@mail.pf.bawue.de>

Your  (Victoriano Giralt <vic at vgg.sci.uma.es>) mail on Wed, 19 May 1999
15:07:19 +0200 (MEST):

>We are in the phase of defining a procedure to do it so it
>won't have to be redone with every new release or with every new language.

That would be VERY helpful. ;)

OG
-- 
>             'Usenet ist das Ding mit den Menschen,
>              Internet ist das Ding mit den Kabeln.'
>                                       Hubert Partl
Rezensionen          --> http://www.carpe.com/buch/



From trevor at jpj.net  Wed May 19 17:20:20 1999
From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:20:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install troubles
In-Reply-To: <000301bea1e9$ba590280$22e423cb@perch.infoadv.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990519111525.5290D-100000@blues.jpj.net>

> 
> I'm having a bit of trouble with the install... using the INSTALL file of
> mailman-1.0rc1
> 
> Step 1 - noproblem.
> 
> Step 2 - cd to the src directory, ./configure doesn't work, ../configure
> appears to work fine.

Where the instructions say:

                                       Usually you can just cd to the
      directory you unpacked Mailman into, and run configure with no
      arguments:

          % cd <mailman-src-dir>

read it as:

	% cd mailman-1.0rc1

rather than as:

	% cd mailman-1.0rc1/src

Maybe

	% cd mailman-<version>

would be a less confusing example.
__
Trevor Johnson




From claw at varesearch.com  Wed May 19 18:33:40 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:33:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo/ 
In-Reply-To: Message from Andy Harrison <andy@nachoz.com> 
   of "Tue, 18 May 1999 23:56:29 EDT." <XFMail.990518235629.andy@nachoz.com> 
Message-ID: <E10k9Ho-0004N6-00@under.varesearch.com>

On Tue, 18 May 1999 23:56:29 -0400 (EDT) 
Andy Harrison <andy at nachoz.com> wrote:

> When I point my browser to my website with just a
> /mailman/listinfo/, it should bring up a list of the public lists,
> however it states that there are no public lists.  I went to each
> of my lists and verified that it was indeed marked public and the
> ownership and perms of the files seem to be right what they should
> be.

Check that the domain listed at the bottom of the general options
page is the same as the domain you are querying.

-- 
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---------(*)                Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From kswenson at ms2.com  Wed May 19 20:28:41 1999
From: kswenson at ms2.com (Keith Swenson)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:28:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting only from list members does not identify members correctl
 y
	y
Message-ID: <8B1DA0BE07F5D211BB6700A0C9D5DFA1010D23@ms2>

I looked through the archives and found the attached email message.
I am having the same problem.

1. I created a mailing list, posting allowed only from members
2. I signed up two users.  Both users received a welcome message
3. I post a message from a user to the list and I get this message:

    List:         Cystinuria at endeavor.med.nyu.edu
    Reason held:  Postings from member addresses only.
    From:         kswenson at netscape.net
    Subject:      Test Mail #1

The email address mentioned in the message is *exactly* what is in the list.
I did not see a reply to Alan's message in the archives.
Is there any workaround to this problem?

-Keith


>We are having a problem with the rc1 version of mailman.  The problem
>also existed is previous versions I tried.  If you select to allow posts
>only from members AND to not have to approve each message it doesn't
>work right.  We still have to approve every message and the reason given
>is that posts are allowed by members only.  How exactly is the mailman
>try to determine if you are on the list?  Sometimes it looks like it's
>getting it from Sender: and sometimes it looks like it's getting info
>from one of the Recevied by tags.  I've tried it from 5 different mail
>servers and I get the same results every time.  It tells me that posting
>is restricted to members of the list.  One time it told me that I had to
>approve the message for that reason and the From: address it listed in
>the email to me WAS the same as the one I entered.  This program
>(mailman) is great so if someone could help me out here I would
>appreciate it.  Thanks!
>
>Alan Barnes
>dodger at toast.net




From bareed at ayna.com  Wed May 19 20:48:55 1999
From: bareed at ayna.com (Adonis El Fakih)
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:48:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?CP-1256?B?UmVhZC1Pbmx5IGxpc3Rz?=
Message-ID: <199905191848.OAA21539@bareed.ayna.com>

Hello to all,

Can some one help me find out how to set up a read-only mailing list?

______________________________________________________________
Ayna, E-mail that speaks your language - http://login.ayna.com



From richard at linsup.com  Thu May 20 07:11:42 1999
From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:11:42 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install troubles - next...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990519111525.5290D-100000@blues.jpj.net>
Message-ID: <000101bea27f$3fdac200$22e423cb@perch.infoadv.com.au>

> Where the instructions say:
>
>                                        Usually you can just cd to the
>       directory you unpacked Mailman into, and run configure with no
>       arguments:
>
>           % cd <mailman-src-dir>
>
> read it as:
>
> 	% cd mailman-1.0rc1
<snip>
> Trevor Johnson

Thanks, Trevor.

I continued as you directed and it seemed fine until I got to the password
stage, where:

[mailman at trout bin]$ uname -a
Linux (RedHat 5.2) trout.infoadv.com.au 2.0.36 #1 Tue Nov 17 13:01:19 EST
1998 i586 unknown
[mailman at trout bin]$ whoami
mailman
[mailman at trout bin]$ pwd
/home/mailman/bin
[mailman at trout bin]$ python
Python 1.5.1 (#1, May  6 1998, 01:48:27)  [GCC 2.7.2.3] on linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>>
[mailman at trout bin]$ ./mmsitepass my42ad
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./mmsitepass", line 32, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
    from ListAdmin import ListAdmin
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 28, in ?
    import Message
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 31, in ?
    from Mailman.pythonlib import rfc822
ImportError: No module named pythonlib
[mailman at trout bin]$


Is the module built as part of the install???  Should I start over??

Thanks,

Richard.




From jdc at nterprise.net  Thu May 20 15:11:54 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:11:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists
In-Reply-To: <199905191848.OAA21539@bareed.ayna.com>; from Adonis El Fakih on Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:48:55PM -0400
References: <199905191848.OAA21539@bareed.ayna.com>
Message-ID: <19990520071154.48260@denver.net>

On Wednesday May 19, 1999, Adonis El Fakih <bareed at ayna.com>
 had this to say about "[Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists":

> Hello to all,
> 
> Can some one help me find out how to set up a read-only mailing list?

The only way I've managed to do this is as follows:

On the GENERAL options page:

	Send mail to poster when messages held for approval = no

On the PRIVACY options page:
	Posts must be approved by administrator = yes
	restrict posting privilege to list members = yes

	Then set up the list of email addresses which can post
		without moderation

List members will be able to send messages all they want,
but the messages will be held for approval (and they won't
be notified (or, you could choose to notify them if you
wish).  Then, essentially at your leisure, you can discard them
all as spam from the "Tend to administrative tasks" page

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  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
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From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Thu May 20 17:30:06 1999
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:30:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User asks: `I wish to remain on your list. What must I do?'
Message-ID: <14148.10878.935603.133477@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

This user (name deleted to protect the stupid) on one of the lists on
my system seems to have misinterpreted the meaning of the reminder
mail.

Perhaps something should be added to the default text to say that to
remain subscribed they should do nothing.

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From egus at efn.org  Thu May 20 17:52:57 1999
From: egus at efn.org (Eric Gus)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:52:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo/ 
In-Reply-To: <E10k9Ho-0004N6-00@under.varesearch.com>
References: <Message from Andy Harrison <andy@nachoz.com>
 <XFMail.990518235629.andy@nachoz.com>
Message-ID: <199905201513.IAA03132@evg.org>

Anyone successfully have mailman and mhonarc setup?
Any info about doing it would be appreciated.





From jdc at nterprise.net  Thu May 20 22:14:11 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:14:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination?
Message-ID: <19990520141411.21178@denver.net>

Anyone know why a message is held for authorization because
of "Implicit destination"?  The address is a member of the list
(postings restricted to members-only).

=================================================================

Your authorization is required for a mailing list posting request
approval:

    List:         BLAH
    Reason held:  Implicit destination
    From:         SUBSCRIBED MEMBER ADDRESS
    Subject:      [Fwd: (Fwd) (Fwd) Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: Ancient Wisdom]]

At your convenience, visit:

to approve or deny the request.

-----End of forwarded message-----

-- 
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Systems Administration          http://www.nterprise.net
  & Network Engineering         8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231
The Killer Ducks are coming!!!



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu May 20 23:09:32 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:09:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination?
In-Reply-To: <19990520141411.21178@denver.net> from "John-David Childs" at May 20, 99 02:14:11 pm
Message-ID: <199905202109.QAA16172@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:34:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo/
In-Reply-To: <199905201513.IAA03132@evg.org> from "Eric Gus" at May 20, 99 08:52:57 am
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From che at debian.org  Fri May 21 03:58:08 1999
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: 20 May 1999 18:58:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exception from gate_news
Message-ID: <ytt90ajmbf3.fsf@gilgamesh.cse.ucsc.edu>

This is from Mailman 1.0rc1. I seem to get them a few times a day.
What's the problem here?

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------- Start of forwarded message -------
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:45:03 -0700
Message-Id: <199905210145.SAA02314 at enkidu.cse.ucsc.edu>
From: root at enkidu.cse.ucsc.edu (Cron Daemon)
To: list at enkidu.cse.ucsc.edu
Subject: Cron <list at enkidu> /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news

Exception exceptions.IOError: (2, 'No such file or directory') in <method FileLock.__del__ of FileLock instance at 80cab98> ignored

------- End of forwarded message -------



From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Fri May 21 04:22:27 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:22:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exception from gate_news
In-Reply-To: <ytt90ajmbf3.fsf@gilgamesh.cse.ucsc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990520212040.15727D-100000@jerrya>

On 20 May 1999, Ben Gertzfield wrote:

> This is from Mailman 1.0rc1. I seem to get them a few times a day.
> What's the problem here?

I get them too. I am gating a newsgroup to a dozen or so people through my
modem on my Linux system. They are successfully receiving the messages.

Thanks!


-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From che at debian.org  Fri May 21 04:31:09 1999
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: 20 May 1999 19:31:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exception from gate_news
In-Reply-To: Jerry Adlersfluegel's message of "Thu, 20 May 1999 21:22:27 -0500 (CDT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990520212040.15727D-100000@jerrya>
Message-ID: <yttzp2zkvbm.fsf@gilgamesh.cse.ucsc.edu>

>>>>> "Jerry" == Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net> writes:

    Ben> This is from Mailman 1.0rc1. I seem to get them a few times a
    Ben> day.  What's the problem here?

    Jerry> I get them too. I am gating a newsgroup to a dozen or so
    Jerry> people through my modem on my Linux system. They are
    Jerry> successfully receiving the messages.

Exactly the same situation here. The gatewaying works..

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From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Fri May 21 05:52:34 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:52:34 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
In-Reply-To: <199905202134.QAA16308@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>; from Christopher Lindsey on Thu, May 20, 1999 at 04:34:25PM -0500
References: <199905201513.IAA03132@evg.org> <199905202134.QAA16308@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <19990521135234.A25579@tertius.net.au>

Christopher Lindsey wrote:
> > Anyone successfully have mailman and mhonarc setup?
> > Any info about doing it would be appreciated.
> Yup, but it's a hack.  The longterm goal is to patch mailman
> to allow *any* outside archival program to be executed instead
> of pipermail, but for now I just subscribe an archiving 
> account to the mailing list.

Why would somebody want to use a non-Pipermail archiving
program?  What're the advantages?


bekj

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: up the HP-48 VT-100 emulator.  -- Jeff Dege



From sms at netconcepts.com  Fri May 21 06:18:49 1999
From: sms at netconcepts.com (Stephan Spencer)
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:18:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Usenet gating and archiving
In-Reply-To: <14145.50422.28416.688494@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9905202250160.14135-100000@nexus.netconcepts.com>

The magic that the moderators do (I've been one in the past) is just a
laborious cut and paste of the message that comes in, reformatting the
header by hand and reposting it to the newsgroup with the addition of a
line to the message header like so:

Approved: [any email address]

When there is an "Approved" line in a newsgroup post, it will magically
get posted to the moderated group. Mailman has a great interface for
moderating a list. It would be a shame if we couldn't use it for
moderating a newsgroup (and its list gateway). My wish would be the
following:

    Add a question to the Usenet gating administration page after the
    spot where you prompt for the name of the newsgroup:
    "Is this a newsgroup that you moderate? [ ] yes  [ ] no"

    If the list administrator checks "yes", then when the message gets
    approved from the "Tend to pending administrative requests"
    moderation interface in Mailman, that approved message gets posted to
    Usenet with an additional line present in the header:
    "Approved: [list admin's  email address]

    This eliminates the need of having 2 lists, and allows me to use
    Mailman to moderate the newsgroup (and the list gateway).

What do you think?

Cheers,
Stephan

On Tue, 18 May 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> Normally, people wanting to make announcements should send them to
> python-announce at python.org.  These get forwarded to the moderators,
> and when approved eventually show up on the n.g. (how the moderators
> actually do this is magic to me :-).
> 




From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Fri May 21 08:21:23 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo - Miss Janet. Fanclub)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:21:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] found a bug?  "ValueError: bad marshal data"
Message-ID: <XFMail.990521082123.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

like i mentioned earlier, when i approve a post with admindb, the webbrowser
stalls for several seconds before closing the connection... well i just found
out that it generates an error in my apache logs (See below)
is this a bug? or does this mean one of the databases is corrupted? if so, how
can i fix it?
i'm using mailman rc1 on Linux 2.0.36, i upgraded python to 1.5.2 yesterday,
but the same problems were before that.

ps: don't you all agree mailman needs more publicity? i think it's one of the
best mailinglist solutions... but one of the powers behind GNU like software is
when many people help to develop it; and i'm sure there are a lot of developers
out there who can and want to help... i gotta start learning python soon! :)
did rc1 get posted on freshmeat and stuff?

Thanks...
Ricardo.

[Fri May 21 06:34:29 1999] [error] [client 212.206.29.123] File does not exist:
/usr/local/www/miss-janet.com/www/images/mailman.gif
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 209, in
ArchiveMail
    h.processUnixMailbox(f, HyperArch.Article)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 381, in
processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)         # Add the article
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 846, in
add_article
    parentID=self.database.getOldestArticle(self.archive,
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 285, in
getOldestArticle
    self.__openIndices(archive)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 228, in
__openIndices
    t=DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive+'-'+i))
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 56, in
__init__
    self.dict = marshal.load(open(path))
ValueError: bad marshal data


Ricardo.
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From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri May 21 09:30:32 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:30:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving
In-Reply-To: <19990521135234.A25579@tertius.net.au> from "Bek Oberin" at May 21, 99 01:52:34 pm
Message-ID: <199905210730.CAA18830@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Fri May 21 14:05:31 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:05:31 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stalled connection: archive locks?
Message-ID: <XFMail.990521140531.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

well i've traced my problem back to the fact that the
lock files in the archive directory are not being removed.

they appear as:
1999-May-subject.lock.<host-name>.<#####>

where <#####> is a number...

does anybody have the same problems?

i think this might be what causes the process-overload on our server, when
an impatient moderator doesnt wait for the stalled page to completely finnish
and approve several posts at once, all of them waiting for lock files to be
released...?

Ricardo.



From arety at bigfoot.com  Fri May 21 14:53:59 1999
From: arety at bigfoot.com (arety at bigfoot.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:53:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with approval
Message-ID: <199905211253.OAA09950@scimitar.dolphinics.no>

Hi,

I've installed Mailman two weeks ago and have been playing around
with it for a while before I put it to serious work. After a second install
I got the archive working (don't know why though).

Well, now I'm stuck at the message approval. The problem is that the
message is always held for approval even if the config say it should not
and the list is restricted to members. The same problem occur if I set
up to just allow some posters. It seems to me that if there are some
place in the config which hold messages for approval, all messages are
held with the message "Postings from member addresses only". The
sender /is/ a member. Is it somewhing I've done wrong or is the
installation incorrect?

Any clues?


Are Tysland


- at -



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri May 21 16:02:46 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:02:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Usenet gating and archiving
References: <14145.50422.28416.688494@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<Pine.GSO.4.02.9905202250160.14135-100000@nexus.netconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <14149.26502.150552.766131@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

At first glance it looks like a reasonable approach, and probably not
too hard to do.  I don't forsee myself having time to work on it
before the end of June.

-Barry



From Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com  Fri May 21 18:21:07 1999
From: Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com (Gerard Hickey)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:21:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix
Message-ID: <374587F3.481280C8@nsc.com>

OK. I have a really stupid problem, but I could not really find any
answers in the mailing list archive. 

For quite some time I have wanted to move my majordomo lists to mailman.
I finally got around to getting python 1.5.2 compiled and mailman seemed
to be working fine. After creating a test list and trying to send mail
through it, I started to have problems with the wrapper complaining
about the gid not matching. After reading for a while it sounded like
postfix would fix these problems (and I wanted to get away from sendmail
anyways). 

Now that I am running postfix, I still get simular problems. When mail
is sent to the test mailing list from across the network, everything
seems to work fine. But when a message is sent from the local machine
where postfix and mailman are running, I get the wonderful errors about
gid conflicts. Below are the messages from syslog about the problem.

May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 600.  (Reconfigure to take 600?)
May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?) 

Does anyone have a solution for this situation? 

Thanks....
--
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From jkusnier at voyager.net  Fri May 21 19:39:16 1999
From: jkusnier at voyager.net (Jason)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknow user
Message-ID: <004101bea3b0$d96689e0$d300000a@jkusnier.voyager.net>

every time i email to my subscribe address that mailman gives me, it comes back unknown user.
what am i missing here???

jason
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From dominic at juniper.net  Fri May 21 12:55:47 1999
From: dominic at juniper.net (Dominic Martinelli)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:55:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nesting lists
Message-ID: <199905211755.KAA04798@nazgul.juniper.net>

First of all let me say that I am very impressed with mailman. It does
almost everything we need it to do.

However, I ran into one major problem.

I am in the process of trying to migrate a complicated sendmail alias scheme
to mailman. Currently we have a hierarchy of aliases. For example, a top
level alias will point to lower level ones.

The problem that I have is that when I nest lists with mailman, if someone
is on more than one of the bottom level lists, they will get duplicate 
messages. Is there anyway for mailman not to send out duplicates in this case?

Also, it is not possible to not have people on more than one of the lower
level lists, so making sure that there are not duplicates is not an option.

Any help would be appreciated!

Dominic
dominic at juniper.net



From jdc at nterprise.net  Fri May 21 20:22:26 1999
From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:22:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix
In-Reply-To: <374587F3.481280C8@nsc.com>; from Gerard Hickey on Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:21:07PM -0400
References: <374587F3.481280C8@nsc.com>
Message-ID: <19990521122226.49741@denver.net>

I have not used postfix, but I imagine it's similar to a problem
I encountered a few weeks ago with sendmail + smrsh.

It seemed that the only way I could get around the problem
was to install wrapper as setuid-root, which I obviously didn't
want to do!  Finally, I realized that many of the files in the
mailman home directory were installed as root and not as user
mailman.  When I chown'd the files to mailman.mailman,
my wrapper problem went away!

On Friday May 21, 1999, Gerard Hickey <Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com>
 had this to say about "[Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix":

> OK. I have a really stupid problem, but I could not really find any
> answers in the mailing list archive. 
> 
> For quite some time I have wanted to move my majordomo lists to mailman.
> I finally got around to getting python 1.5.2 compiled and mailman seemed
> to be working fine. After creating a test list and trying to send mail
> through it, I started to have problems with the wrapper complaining
> about the gid not matching. After reading for a while it sounded like
> postfix would fix these problems (and I wanted to get away from sendmail
> anyways). 
> 
> Now that I am running postfix, I still get simular problems. When mail
> is sent to the test mailing list from across the network, everything
> seems to work fine. But when a message is sent from the local machine
> where postfix and mailman are running, I get the wonderful errors about
> gid conflicts. Below are the messages from syslog about the problem.
> 
> May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 600.  (Reconfigure to take 600?)
> May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?) 
> 
> Does anyone have a solution for this situation? 
> 
> Thanks....
> --
> Gerard Hickey                             email: Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com
> National Semiconductor Corporation        phone: +1 207 541 6101
> Advance Development Center, MS 03-03      fax:   +1 207 541 6108
> 5 Foden Road, South Portland, Maine 04106-1706

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From Dionysos at Dionysia.org  Fri May 21 20:45:00 1999
From: Dionysos at Dionysia.org (Dan Delaney)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix
In-Reply-To: <374587F3.481280C8@nsc.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLBOCIKCKLLEBCMLJEEAHCAAA.Dionysos@Dionysia.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 600.  (Reconfigure to take 600?)
> May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)

I had the same problem. gid 65534 is the "nobody" group. All I did to fix it
was set the gid to "nobody" in the configure line when configuring mailman
to be compiled:

   --with-mail-gid=nobody

That should do it.
I assume that you probably have something like "--with-mail-gid=600" or
"--with-mail-gid=postfix", but it's expecting group "nobody" instead.

--Dan




From dan at dpcsys.com  Fri May 21 21:50:25 1999
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nesting lists
In-Reply-To: <199905211755.KAA04798@nazgul.juniper.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990521124524.25485G-100000@java.dpcsys.com>

On Fri, 21 May 1999, Dominic Martinelli wrote:
> However, I ran into one major problem.
> 
> I am in the process of trying to migrate a complicated sendmail alias scheme
> to mailman. Currently we have a hierarchy of aliases. For example, a top
> level alias will point to lower level ones.
> 
> The problem that I have is that when I nest lists with mailman, if someone
> is on more than one of the bottom level lists, they will get duplicate 
> messages. Is there anyway for mailman not to send out duplicates in this case?
> 
> Also, it is not possible to not have people on more than one of the lower
> level lists, so making sure that there are not duplicates is not an option.

Try lowering MAX_SPAWNS (1 should almost certainly work) and/or
raising SMTP_MAX_RCPTS

You need to let sendmail see the duplicates and sort it out.

Dan
-- 
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 Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82




From jason2 at stjohnscc.com  Fri May 21 21:48:22 1999
From: jason2 at stjohnscc.com (jason)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:48:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron errors from mailman
Message-ID: <006301bea3c2$e21a2620$d300000a@jkusnier.voyager.net>

any ideas why i keep getting this?
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From Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com  Fri May 21 22:05:56 1999
From: Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com (Gerard Hickey)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:05:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix
References: <NDBBLBOCIKCKLLEBCMLJEEAHCAAA.Dionysos@Dionysia.org>
Message-ID: <3745BCA4.EBE1F091@nsc.com>

Dan Delaney wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> > WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 600.  (Reconfigure to take 600?)
> > May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> > WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
> 
> I had the same problem. gid 65534 is the "nobody" group. All I did to fix it
> was set the gid to "nobody" in the configure line when configuring mailman
> to be compiled:
> 
>    --with-mail-gid=nobody
>
> That should do it.
> I assume that you probably have something like "--with-mail-gid=600" or
> "--with-mail-gid=postfix", but it's expecting group "nobody" instead.


Mailman was configured with the gid of nobody. The problem seems to be
that when mail is sent on the local system, the mail process take on the
same uid/gid of the user sending the mail (gid of 600). After the
wrapper fails the first time, it seems that it changes to the trusted
user and runs the wrapper again (gid of 1).  

I just espected this behavior to have been seen before and someone could
send me a "hey stupid" message to get me back on track. 
--
Gerard Hickey                             email: Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com
National Semiconductor Corporation        phone: +1 207 541 6101
Advance Development Center, MS 03-03      fax:   +1 207 541 6108
5 Foden Road, South Portland, Maine 04106-1706
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From rupa-list at rupa.com  Fri May 21 22:47:07 1999
From: rupa-list at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker (list))
Date: 21 May 1999 13:47:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Postfix
In-Reply-To: Gerard Hickey's message of "Fri, 21 May 1999 12:21:07 -0400"
References: <374587F3.481280C8@nsc.com>
Message-ID: <m31zgaxi9g.fsf@gw.rupa.com>

First some suggestions:

1) is mailman running under it's own UID?  If so, then that is the UID 
   you want the mail-wrapper to use.  What is UID 600?

2) use a seperate database for the mailman aliases.  Make sure the
   database is owned by user mailman.

3) When postfix delivers, it'll deliver with the UID of the alias file 
   that matched your user.  Thus it'll deliver using the mailman uid.

eg: my site has /home/mailman/aliases with listalias.  listalias is
owned by mailman.  I use postalias to build listalias.db.  postalias is
run as the *user* mailman.  (not sure if the .db will be made with
root's ownership if you use newaliases as root).  I left out the new
alias from alias_database 'cause I don't want newaliases to rebuil it
-- rather I do so manually (or as part of the list creation process).

/etc/postfix/main.cf has:

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/home/mailman/aliases/listalias

Hope this is of some help...

Gerard Hickey <Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com> writes:

> OK. I have a really stupid problem, but I could not really find any
> answers in the mailing list archive. 
> 
> For quite some time I have wanted to move my majordomo lists to mailman.
> I finally got around to getting python 1.5.2 compiled and mailman seemed
> to be working fine. After creating a test list and trying to send mail
> through it, I started to have problems with the wrapper complaining
> about the gid not matching. After reading for a while it sounded like
> postfix would fix these problems (and I wanted to get away from sendmail
> anyways). 
> 
> Now that I am running postfix, I still get simular problems. When mail
> is sent to the test mailing list from across the network, everything
> seems to work fine. But when a message is sent from the local machine
> where postfix and mailman are running, I get the wonderful errors about
> gid conflicts. Below are the messages from syslog about the problem.
> 
> May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 600.  (Reconfigure to take 600?)
> May 21 11:51:27 thoreau Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?) 
> 
> Does anyone have a solution for this situation? 
> 
> Thanks....
> --
> Gerard Hickey                             email: Gerard.Hickey at nsc.com
> National Semiconductor Corporation        phone: +1 207 541 6101
> Advance Development Center, MS 03-03      fax:   +1 207 541 6108
> 5 Foden Road, South Portland, Maine 04106-1706
> 
> 

-- 
Rupa (rupa at rupa.com for normal email)
Please don't email duplicate replies.



From claw at varesearch.com  Fri May 21 23:37:07 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:37:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bek Oberin <gossamer@tertius.net.au> 
   of "Fri, 21 May 1999 13:52:34 +1000." <19990521135234.A25579@tertius.net.au> 
Message-ID: <E10kwya-00088t-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Fri, 21 May 1999 13:52:34 +1000 
Bek Oberin <gossamer at tertius.net.au> wrote:

> Why would somebody want to use a non-Pipermail archiving program?
> What're the advantages?

Format and presentation control, intelligent search supports, and
various databasing advantages come to mind for moving away from
Pipermail.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From jason2 at stjohnscc.com  Fri May 21 23:33:32 1999
From: jason2 at stjohnscc.com (jason)
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:33:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] only users on my domain are able to subscribe???
Message-ID: <005a01bea3d1$93633f80$d300000a@jkusnier.voyager.net>

why is it that only users that are on my domain getting confirmations returned to them??

jason
jason2 at stjohnscc.com

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From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Sat May 22 00:41:44 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:41:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stalled / locks?... corrupted database :(
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990518072254.ricardo@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990522004144.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

On 18-May-99 Ricardo Kustner wrote:
>> When I approve a post in the admindb interface (mailman rc1), the connection
>> "stalls" for several seconds after the new page has been brought up... the
>> weird thing is that the full html output has been displayed on the browser,
>> but apperantly, the http connection isn't closed immediately after this...
>> could this be a lock-file problem? 
> i reply to my own post... when i approve a post and do a ps -ax on the
> server, i can see python hanging around as a "zombie" process during the
> stall-time of a the approval submit...

i feel really stupid for being the only one to reply to my *own* posts... 
(i guess nobody is taking me seriously??... :) )
anyway it looks like my archive database has become corrupted since no posts
have been added since last sunday... which is quite possible since i had a
some trouble with the server last weekend (which is more due to lack of system
resources and my own fault sort of... my fastcgi scripts are not that reliable
(yet) and sometimes tend to crash the server, especially if mailman/exmin are
*very* busy with posting messages at the same time)
so my question is: how can i fix the archive database?
i guess i have to turn off archiving for now...

Ricardo.
--



From breiter at ffii.org  Sat May 22 04:10:59 1999
From: breiter at ffii.org (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:10:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Patch] "(Details)" bug, minor
Message-ID: <19990522041059.A6909@genba.ffii.org>

Fixed two minor bugs regarding the (Details)
buttons on the general options page for a mailinglist.

	* hitting them openend another browser, this is unwanted from
	a usability point of view. If the user wants another window,
	he will tell his browser so or open one right away.

	Even if not everybody considers this a bug, it should be
	at least configurable (and off per default of course. ;> )


	* The detail page lacks the submit button for really submitting
	the changed data. 

	The comment in the code told the story.
	I added another line to save the user from losing the
	typed in information or the overview about the operations here.

BTW: A guide on how to seamlessly integrate hypermail would
be greatly appreciated, IMO.

Regards,
	Bernhard



From breiter at ffii.org  Sat May 22 04:12:56 1999
From: breiter at ffii.org (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:12:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Patch itself]
Message-ID: <19990522041256.A6924@genba.ffii.org>

Of course I forgot to attach the patch, to the last mail. Sorry.
	Bernhard
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--- mailman-1.0rc1/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py.org	Sat May 22 03:15:38 1999
+++ mailman-1.0rc1/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py	Sat May 22 03:40:29 1999
@@ -426,7 +426,10 @@
     # XXX I don't think we want to be able to set options from two places,
     #     since they'll go out of sync.
     #form.AddItem(Center(FormatPasswordStuff()))
+    # hey, but inform the user:
     doc.AddItem(Center(form))
+    doc.AddItem("(<em><strong>Don't change the option here!</strong>\n" +
+    	"Use the main options page.</em>)" )
 
 def GetItemCharacteristics(table_entry):
     """Break out the components of an item description from its table entry:
@@ -489,7 +492,8 @@
         ref = "../" * (Utils.GetNestingLevel()-1) + list_name + "/"
         ref = ref + '?VARHELP=' + category + "/" + varname
         descr = Container(descr,
-			  Link(ref, " (Details)", target="MMHelp"),
+			  #Link(ref, " (Details)", target="MMHelp"),
+			  Link(ref, " (Details)"),
 			  "</div>")
     else:
         descr = descr + "</div>"

From tomaz.borstnar at over.net  Sat May 22 12:26:08 1999
From: tomaz.borstnar at over.net (Tomaz Borstnar)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:26:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ideas for blocking/limiting - trimming too long signatures and
 blocking attachments
  blocking attachments
In-Reply-To: <19990522041256.A6924@genba.ffii.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.37.19990522121948.032c0aa0@193.189.189.100>

Hello!

	Nice software - it quickly replaced my trusty Smartlist since I need web 
support more than procmail power. Anyway, I was thinking about limits for 
messages for mailing list - Mailman already limits message size. Good 
additions would be to block attachments - could already be there  (I hope I 
didn't miss that) and limit signatures to specified number of lines. I see 
many lists with signatures being longer than replies - sometimes even with 
quoted text included!

Tomaz
----
Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar at over.net>
"Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sat May 22 15:43:59 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 22 May 1999 15:43:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] found a bug? "ValueError: bad marshal data"
In-Reply-To: "Ricardo - Miss Janet. Fanclub"'s message of "Fri, 21 May 1999 08:21:23 +0200 (CEST)"
References: <XFMail.990521082123.ricardo@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <d6dpv3tjk2o.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Ricardo - Miss Janet. Fanclub]

> Hi,
> 
> like i mentioned earlier, when i approve a post with admindb, the webbrowser
> stalls for several seconds before closing the connection... well i just found
> out that it generates an error in my apache logs (See below)
> is this a bug? or does this mean one of the databases is corrupted?

Looks like one of your pipermail archive databases (located under
~mailman/archive/private/LISTNAME/database/) is corrupt.

Sorry to say, I don't know very much about these database files --
but, if you have a plain mbox archive of the list as well (located in
~mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox), I guess the
entire pipermail web archive can be regenerated from there.

To regenerate, do

  rm -r ~mailman/archives/LISTNAME/
  ~mailman/bin/arch LISTNAME ~mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox

(but make sure you have all the needed articles in the mbox archive
first).

> ps: don't you all agree mailman needs more publicity?

Well, if it's _good_ publicity, then yes, of course :)

> did rc1 get posted on freshmeat and stuff?

Just checked, and yes, it seems like Barry did so.
-- 
Harald



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Sat May 22 15:51:25 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 22 May 1999 15:51:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] stalled connection: archive locks?
In-Reply-To: Ricardo Kustner's message of "Fri, 21 May 1999 14:05:31 +0200 (MET DST)"
References: <XFMail.990521140531.ricardo@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <d6dn1yxjjqa.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Ricardo Kustner]

> Hi,
> 
> well i've traced my problem back to the fact that the
> lock files in the archive directory are not being removed.
> 
> they appear as:
> 1999-May-subject.lock.<host-name>.<#####>
> 
> where <#####> is a number...

The number is the process ID (pid) of the locking process.  If you do
a "ps auxww | grep #####" (substituting "#####" with a number from a
lock file), does any Mailman processes show up?

> does anybody have the same problems?
> 
> i think this might be what causes the process-overload on our server, when
> an impatient moderator doesnt wait for the stalled page to completely finnish
> and approve several posts at once, all of them waiting for lock files to be
> released...?

I'll look into it -- this may be related to a problem J C Lawrence has
reported (with subject "Performance under load (bursty message
flow)").
-- 
Harald



From M.Finselbach at gmx.de  Sat May 22 17:56:33 1999
From: M.Finselbach at gmx.de (Michael Finselbach)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:56:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stalled / locks?... corrupted database :(
References: <XFMail.990522004144.ricardo@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <3746D3B1.BC755EE3@gmx.de>

Ricardo Kustner wrote:
> 
> On 18-May-99 Ricardo Kustner wrote:
> >> When I approve a post in the admindb interface (mailman rc1), the connection
> >> "stalls" for several seconds after the new page has been brought up... the
> >> weird thing is that the full html output has been displayed on the browser,
> >> but apperantly, the http connection isn't closed immediately after this...
> >> could this be a lock-file problem?
> > i reply to my own post... when i approve a post and do a ps -ax on the
> > server, i can see python hanging around as a "zombie" process during the
> > stall-time of a the approval submit...
> 
> i feel really stupid for being the only one to reply to my *own* posts...
> (i guess nobody is taking me seriously??... :) )

Well, of course "we" all do ...
I seem to have a similar problem -I mean, being the only one responding
to my own mails. In contrast to you, I didn't find an answer - so I take the
liberty to repost my original question:

After having been asked to approve a mail send to a list, I go to the
proposed webpage, enter my admin-pwd, klick on the approve button, submit the
page - to no effect. 
The mail this lingers around, waiting to be approved. I am being asked for
my pwd again, and could move around in that circle endlessly...
If I ask my colleage (and webmaster, hence supposedly working with other rigths)
it works. 

What am i missing ? (i will write again as I, as soon as my "approve" rights have
grown accordingly :-))

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From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at  Sat May 22 18:09:55 1999
From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:09:55 +0200 (MES)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ideas for blocking/limiting - trimming too long signatures and blocking attachments  blocking attachments
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.37.19990522121948.032c0aa0@193.189.189.100> from Tomaz Borstnar at "May 22, 99 12:26:08 pm"
Message-ID: <199905221609.SAA28742@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>

According to Tomaz Borstnar:
> [...]
> Good additions would be to block attachments - [...]

Right.  A variation of blocking MIME attachments could be to store those
attachments in a list-specific place and include only an URL and/or
MIME Message/external-body reference in it.

+gg
 
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From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Sat May 22 21:25:36 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:25:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] stalled connection: archive locks?
In-Reply-To: <d6dn1yxjjqa.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990522212536.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

On 22-May-99 Harald Meland wrote:
> The number is the process ID (pid) of the locking process.  If you do
> a "ps auxww | grep #####" (substituting "#####" with a number from a
> lock file), does any Mailman processes show up?

i tried once to look for that pid but i couldn't find it in ps... i'll try it
again.

> Looks like one of your pipermail archive databases (located under
> ~mailman/archive/private/LISTNAME/database/) is corrupt.
>  Sorry to say, I don't know very much about these database files --
> but, if you have a plain mbox archive of the list as well (located in
> ~mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox), I guess the

thanks for the help... i've re-archived the mailinglist mbox, but now
i'm getting errors in other places... to be honest, my mailman
setup is a bit messy because i had to hurry with switching from majordomo and
the permission problems were taking too much time.... it's really confusing
that several different uid's on the server use the system (apache, exim and
mailman through cron)... maybe i need to start cleaning it up ... if only there
was some information somewhere on what exactly needs to be the permission
settings for every directory/file (most of my directories are SGID)... i'd
give my right arm for a check_permissions.sh script ;)

> > ps: don't you all agree mailman needs more publicity?
> Well, if it's _good_ publicity, then yes, of course :)
at first i subscribed to the digest of mailman-users cause i was afraid i would
get too much email...but it's nothing i can't handle...

Ricardo.
--



From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Sun May 23 00:02:28 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:02:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stalled connections / locks continued
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990522212536.ricardo@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990523000228.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

First of all the connection stalls (i see a zombie python hanging around
then btw) *after* an approved post has been submitted *and* the next page has
been completely build on the screen (accept for the fact that the browser is
still expecting data)... when i look at the source
of ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py i see this :

        PrintRequests(doc)
        text = doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")
        print text
        sys.stdout.flush()
    finally:
        list.Unlock()

so print text seems to be ok... so it either hangs in the flush() or maybe the
unlock fails?
any hints on debugging this thing? 

Thanks,
Ricardo.
--



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Mon May 24 03:49:23 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:49:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] stalled / locks?... corrupted database :(
In-Reply-To: <3746D3B1.BC755EE3@gmx.de> from "Michael Finselbach" at May 22, 99 05:56:33 pm
Message-ID: <199905240149.UAA03598@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From mea at nic.funet.fi  Mon May 24 11:37:03 1999
From: mea at nic.funet.fi (Matti Aarnio)
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:37:03 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman rc1 and zmailer doesn't cooperate?
In-Reply-To: <E10jURh-0001rT-00@under.varesearch.com> from "J C Lawrence" at May 17, 99 01:57:09 pm
Message-ID: <19990524093704Z49463-30259+1605@nic.funet.fi>

(this grew rather long... much quotations.)

J C Lawrence <claw at varesearch.com> replied thus: 
> On Mon, 17 May 1999 16:00:43 +0200 
> Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar at over.net> wrote:
> 
> > As you can see it's Mailman sending extra space after command -
> > which is not good and which is why Zmailer rejects the message
> > thus making Mailman unusable for me. 
> 
> Per my reading its legal per the RFC.  ZMailer needs to be fixed.

  Thou have invokedth RFC-821:

4.1.2 COMMAND SYNTAX

	.........

         The following are the SMTP commands:

            HELO <SP> <domain> <CRLF>

            MAIL <SP> FROM:<reverse-path> <CRLF>

            RCPT <SP> TO:<forward-path> <CRLF>

            DATA <CRLF>

            RSET <CRLF>

            SEND <SP> FROM:<reverse-path> <CRLF>

            SOML <SP> FROM:<reverse-path> <CRLF>

            SAML <SP> FROM:<reverse-path> <CRLF>

            VRFY <SP> <string> <CRLF>

            EXPN <SP> <string> <CRLF>

            HELP [<SP> <string>] <CRLF>

            NOOP <CRLF>

            QUIT <CRLF>

	.........

Do note that in cases where space is allowed (mandated) it is ALSO
REPRESENTED.  For "DATA" verb there is nothing allowed to follow it,
except the CR+LF pair.

The RFC 821 is somewhat vague about the issue, and common systems
( = sendmail ) often ignore any possible input following parameterless
verbs, e.g. "DATA", and per that sloppy tradition, so should ZMailer
too.  However that particular piece of code in ZMailer's smtp server
has *not* been equipped with sloppyness mode, and it barfed at the
"Mailman".  (CVS version does have sloppyness mode available, such was
added after the lattest distribution cut.)

If you want to check your outgoing smtp protocol, run the smtpserver
with option: '-s strict' and it will be truly picky!


Oh yes, the upcoming update of RFC-821 -- say, "821bis", has following
to say on the topic:

	-------------------------

4.1.1 Command Semantics and Syntax

The SMTP commands define the mail transfer or the mail system function
requested by the user.  SMTP commands are character strings terminated by
<CRLF>.  The commands themselves are alphabetic characters terminated by
<SP> if parameters follow and <CRLF> otherwise.  (In the interest of
improved interoperability, SMTP receivers are encouraged to tolerate
trailing white space before the terminating <CRLF>.)  The syntax of the
local part of a mailbox must conform to receiver site conventions and the
syntax specified in section 4.1.2.  The SMTP commands are discussed below.
The SMTP replies are discussed in section 4.2.

A mail transaction involves several data objects which are communicated as
arguments to different commands.  The reverse-path is the argument of the
MAIL command, the forward-path is the argument of the RCPT command, and the
mail data is the argument of the DATA command.  These arguments or data
objects must be transmitted and held pending the confirmation communicated
by the end of mail data indication which finalizes the transaction.  The
model for this is that distinct buffers are provided to hold the types of
data objects, that is, there is a reverse-path buffer, a forward-path
buffer, and a mail data buffer.  Specific commands cause information to be
appended to a specific buffer, or cause one or more buffers to be cleared.

Several commands (RSET, DATA, QUIT) are specified as not permitting
parameters.   In the absence of specific extensions offered by the server
and accepted by the client, clients MUST NOT send such parameters and
servers SHOULD reject commands containing them as having invalid syntax.  

	-------------------------


An overall compability guideline is roughly:
	- Be lenient at what you accept (ZMailer smtpserver)
	- Be strictly per protocol at what you send (Mailman)


So while ZMailer fails at being suitably sloppy at accepting commonly
sloppily processed things,  Mailman should be fixed too to not to rely
on sloppy system behaviour.


> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                   Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com
>  ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...


/Matti Aarnio <mea at nic.funet.fi>



From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Mon May 24 11:50:24 1999
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:50:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exception in ScanMessage for MIME messages with missing boundary
Message-ID: <14153.8416.996349.433611@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

(Is this the right place to report bugs ?)

One of the lists on my system received a bounce with an empty body,
but with Content-Type: multipart/report.  When Mailman tried to parse
it it got an exception because it couldn't find the message boundary.

Below you'll find the relevant part from the Mailman error log, and a
copy of the Exim queue file (the -H file; since there was no body the
-D file is not interesting) in which you can see the message headers.

Ian.

May 24 10:42:48 1999 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 46, in ?
post:      if not current_list.bounce_processing or not current_list.ScanMessage
(msg):
post:   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 335, in ScanMessage
post:      relevant_text = string.split(msg.body, '--%s' % boundry)[1]
post: IndexError :  list index out of range

10ksp7-0003rT-00-H
mail 8 8
<>
927306665 0
-host_address 195.89.137.2
-host_name maildns.fsbdial.co.uk
-helo_name maildns.FSBDial.co.uk
-ident 
-received_protocol esmtp
-body_linecount 0
-frozen 927538968
-manual_thaw
XX
1
rocksoc-announce-admin at DOMAIN.REMOVED.IN.CASE.OF.SPAM

169P Received: from maildns.fsbdial.co.uk [195.89.137.2] 
	by DOMAIN.REMOVED.IN.CASE.OF.SPAM with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1)
	id 10ksp7-0003rT-00 (Debian); Fri, 21 May 1999 18:16:05 +0100
060F From: "postmaster at freenet.co.uk" <postmaster at freenet.co.uk>
100T To: "rocksoc-announce-admin at DOMAIN.REMOVED.IN.CASE.OF.SPAM" <rocksoc-announce-admin at DOMAIN.REMOVED.IN.CASE.OF.SPAM>
061  Subject: Failed mail: exceeded maximum incoming message size
038  Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:30:35 +0100
043I Message-Id: <15303513975959 at freenet.co.uk>
028  X-Mailer: NTMail v4.30.0008
016* Return-Path: <>
018  Mime-Version: 1.0
107  Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="==_15303513975961 at freenet.co.uk==_"




From jake at gest.unipd.it  Mon May 24 16:44:45 1999
From: jake at gest.unipd.it (Luca Polo)
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:44:45 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh + mailman = "unknown mailer error 2", but not always...
Message-ID: <199905241444.QAA04153@obelix.gest.unipd.it>

Hallo everyone,

this is  my first post on  this forum, and  although I find Mailman  a very
good piece  of software, I already  have a puzzling  question (puzzling for
me, at least...).

I've  just installed  mailman 1.0rc1  under Solaris  7 +  sendmail  8.9.3 +
python 1.5.2, and I've experienced the same behaviour John-David Childs has
described a while  ago (thread "Desperation Time! :)",  which I've found in
the May archive).

Strangely enough, I got this error after the first install, but mailman al-
so reported an error in the mail GID I had chosen, so I reinstalled it from
scratch with the right GID, and it worked fine. For a while.

Today, mail  delivering stopped  working again, with  the same  error. I've
made some tests, and at last I recompiled the wrapper with the GID_MISMATCH
macro in src/common.h redefined to "99"  instead of the default "2" (I cho-
osed "99" randomly, just to see  if "mailer error 2" would have been trans-
formed in "mailer error 99",  or something more interesting :-); BTW, smrsh
*is*  correctly  configured, with  a  symlink  to ~mailman/mail/wrapper  in
/usr/adm/sm.bin, etc.).

I then just copied only  the "wrapper" binary to ~mailman/mail and restored
its permissions to -rwx-r-sr-x, leaving everything else untouched (I double
checked that owner, group and permission were the same before and after the
test; I also saved a backup copy of the old executable).

Well,  I didn't  expect it  to work,  but it  worked, and  this is  quite a
nonsense, since it looked "obvious"  that there was no relationship between
GID_MISMATCH  and the error  code returned  by smrsh  (at least,  not after
having correctly confiugred the mail  GID). I also recompiled smrsh, expli-
citly adding /usr/local/bin  in its internal PATH, just to see  if it was a
problem of  finding python, but  nothing changed...  Looking at  smrsh code
shows nothing  interesting: it just performs  a few "sanity  checks" on the
command string passed by sendmail and if it's all OK, it just spawns a real
shell which in turn executes the wrapper, etc.; and the wrapper is not much
more complex than smrsh...

So,  I just returned  to the  old wrapper  (GID_MISMATCH =  2) and  the old
smrsh, and  everything keeps working  fine, but I'm still  wondering *what*
caused  this strange behaviour...  At a  first glance,  it seems  that just
replacing the  "old" wrapper  with a "new"  (identical!) one, is  enough to
"unblock" something somewhere, but the Big Question is "what and where?".

Any hint?

Best regards,
Luca Polo.
--
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|  System & network administrator      || Gestione dei Sistemi Industriali  |
 \ http://www.gest.unipd.it/~jake      || Universita` di Padova -- Italy   /






From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Mon May 24 18:40:22 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:40:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with approval
In-Reply-To: <199905211253.OAA09950@scimitar.dolphinics.no> from "arety@bigfoot.com" at May 21, 99 02:53:59 pm
Message-ID: <199905241640.LAA07922@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From gconnor at nekodojo.org  Tue May 25 07:10:22 1999
From: gconnor at nekodojo.org (Greg Connor)
Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:10:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail vs. envelope sender
In-Reply-To: <199905241640.LAA07922@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
References: <199905211253.OAA09950@scimitar.dolphinics.no>
Message-ID: <4.1.19990524212456.00ba2de0@pop.nekodojo.org>

arety at bigfoot.com:
>> Well, now I'm stuck at the message approval. The problem is that the
>> message is always held for approval even if the config say it should not
>> and the list is restricted to members. 


You know, it looks like a LOT of people have this error, from looking at my
mailbox over the last month or so!  I have some ideas about why that is.


At 11:40 AM 5/24/99 -0500, Christopher Lindsey wrote:
>Take a look at
>
>   http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-March/000754.html
which reads (in part):
>>   b)  Grab the latest CVS sources and define USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0
>>       in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
Chris continues:
>
>   Note that the second methond is only available in 1.0b10 or 
>   greater.


I have found from talking to a few people off-line, and from my experience
on the old Listproc user's list, this is a recurring problem for Sendmail
users who have some kind of mailing list program.

Chris described this before as:
>From http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-March/000699.html
On Mon Mar 8, Christopher Lindsey wrote
>I sent mail to Barry about this, but I'll share it for those
>interested.  On my system (Linux 2.0.x, sendmail 8.9.3, 
>procmail 3.12, and mailman 1.0b9), 
>
>   sender = msg.GetEnvelopeSender()
>
>sets sender to 'listname-admin at example.com'.  So something 
>somewhere is changing the envelope address prematurely 


It turns out that this is a Sendmail "feature".  Sendmail thinks that
because you defined "owner-xxxx" that makes the alias "xxxx" special
(perhaps its a distribution list done with sendmail "include" files).
Sendmail munges the "From " line to match the value of owner-xxxx (so that
if any of the addresses bounce, they will bounce back to the owner, not the
original sender).  This is a nice feature for complicated email alias
"lists", but plays hell with "real" mailing list managers.

Barry wrote that he couldn't reproduce it on his machine, so perhaps they
have turned it off in later versions... I am still on 8.8.7... Anyway, this
is the Sendmail that comes on the RedHat distribution... I think at least a
few people will have it.

This is further explained on sendmail.org at the following URL:
http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.15

The quick explanation is that if your message waiting to be approved has
"From listname-admin" as its first line, that means you have to remove
owner-listname from your aliases file.  I recommend the following:
  - Remove any aliases of the form "owner-*" (mailman doesn't use these anyway)
  - Run "newaliases"

A few people reported that this fixed their problem.  One other person
reported that it didn't help, but wrote later to say that the problem
magically went away on its own (maybe he didn't run newaliases at the time?)


So, I still have this question:  Why does mailman ask the user to install
"owner-listname" type aliases?  Are these used anywhere in the software
itself?  Why should Mailman recommend aliases it doesn't really need and
may cause problems with some mailers?  I think Mailman should be modified
so that owner-* aliases aren't produced.

(Yes, I filed a bug on this but it seems to have been filed as
"unreproducible".  This Sendmail behavior is documented on
http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.15 )

If the default behavior is left alone, at the very least this info should
make it into the documentation (under "Troubleshooting" in the "Why doesn't
member_posting_only work?").  If you go to the trouble of instructing
people how to turn off the envelope sender option, why not educate them
about the problem they're likely to be having first? 

I have removed all my owner-* aliases (actually, having learned my lesson
from the listproc days, I never put them in) and envelope sender works fine.



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Tue May 25 08:41:47 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:41:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail vs. envelope sender
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990524212456.00ba2de0@pop.nekodojo.org> from "Greg Connor" at May 24, 99 10:10:22 pm
Message-ID: <199905250641.BAA17240@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue May 25 17:08:06 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:08:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail vs. envelope sender
References: <199905211253.OAA09950@scimitar.dolphinics.no>
	<4.1.19990524212456.00ba2de0@pop.nekodojo.org>
Message-ID: <14154.48342.206787.39594@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

Just a quick apology about my recent silence.  Due to JPython release
deadlines, vacation, and other pressures I don't see myself being able
to spend any concentrated amount of time on Mailman until about the
end of June.  Other core developers will be taking up the slack (hi
Harald!).

>>>>> "GC" == Greg Connor <gconnor at nekodojo.org> writes:

    GC> Barry wrote that he couldn't reproduce it on his machine, so
    GC> perhaps they have turned it off in later versions... I am
    GC> still on 8.8.7... Anyway, this is the Sendmail that comes on
    GC> the RedHat distribution... I think at least a few people will
    GC> have it.

I should also note that I'm on Solaris and using their stock binary,
so who knows how much Sun's hacked up their sendmail distro? ;)

-Barry



From mark at mystic.nu  Wed May 26 05:55:55 1999
From: mark at mystic.nu (Mark)
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:55:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail wrapper and GID error
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990525225555.007a5290@mystic.nu>

I set up a test mailing list and I Can go to the webpage and fill in
everything and I get the confirmation email just fine. When I reply to
confirm I get the following errors.

Syslog shows May 25 22:34:08 emily Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)

And the email says:

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at mystic.nu>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2

When I run configure, it automatically picks 12 as the GID for mail but if
I try any other GID including 2 with ./configure --with-mail-gid
it says configure: error: 
***** No existing group found for the mail_wrapper program.

I've tried every GID I have! :) None of them work though. SO I guess what I
need to know is how the heck do I find (or make) the proper group/GID that
sendmail uses?

I'm running Linux 3.6 with kernel 2.2.5 and sendmail-8.9.1 if this makes
any difference. Thanks in advance for any help!





From nathan at robotics.net  Wed May 26 07:40:44 1999
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:40:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail wrapper and GID error
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990525225555.007a5290@mystic.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905260139560.31612-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Mark wrote:

> I set up a test mailing list and I Can go to the webpage and fill in
> everything and I get the confirmation email just fine. When I reply to
> confirm I get the following errors.
> 
> Syslog shows May 25 22:34:08 emily Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
> script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)

You need to recompile mailman to use GID 2, if you check the INSTALL file
it will walk you through it. 

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><>
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From root at theporch.com  Wed May 26 13:14:25 1999
From: root at theporch.com (Phillip Porch)
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:14:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail wrapper and GID error
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990525225555.007a5290@mystic.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SC5.4.10.9905260609370.15270-100000@sco.theporch.com>

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Mark wrote:

> When I run configure, it automatically picks 12 as the GID for mail but if
> I try any other GID including 2 with ./configure --with-mail-gid
> it says configure: error: 
> ***** No existing group found for the mail_wrapper program.

The command is

./configure --with-mail-gid=2  (for example)


> 
> I've tried every GID I have! :) None of them work though. SO I guess what I
> need to know is how the heck do I find (or make) the proper group/GID that
> sendmail uses?
> 

Look in the /etc/sendmail.cf file and it will have a line that looks like

O DefaultUser=nouser:nogroup

the nouser is the uid and nogroup is the gid. You can then look in your
/etc/group file to see what number the nogroup corresponds to.

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From arety at dolphinics.no  Wed May 26 15:41:41 1999
From: arety at dolphinics.no (arety at dolphinics.no)
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:41:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-problems
Message-ID: <199905261341.PAA00142@scimitar.dolphinics.no>

The list is up and running, but some users have strange mailers which
replies with 'Ad: ' or 'SV: ' instead of 'Re: '. Mailman is good in not
adding [listname] on replies, as long they use the 'Re: '. Is there any
way of adding support for 'Ad: ', 'SV: ' or anything like that?
I see the same problem when the subject-line is mime-encoded because
some use non-ascii characters (which also is ugly in the archive).


Are

- at -



From brian at lasierra.edu  Wed May 26 20:52:28 1999
From: brian at lasierra.edu (B. Friday)
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:52:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MajorDomo > Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9905261148550.8131-100000@Tsunami.lasierra.edu>

Hello all,

I've not been able to find any information regarding this topic in the
archives although I'm almost sure that their is information available...

If anyone has experience with this type of upgrade I would appreciate any
insight. I'd like to be able to merge my majordomo archives (secondary
concern) into mailman archives as well as transfer my lists over(primary
concern).  

I'll summarize to the list for later inclusion in a faq...

Thanks 

Brian Friday
SysAdmin
La Sierra Unversity




From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Wed May 26 22:37:40 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:37:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] stalled connection: archive locks?
In-Reply-To: <d6dn1yxjjqa.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990526223740.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

On 22-May-99 Harald Meland wrote:
>> i think this might be what causes the process-overload on our server, when
>> an impatient moderator doesnt wait for the stalled page to completely
>> finnish
>> and approve several posts at once, all of them waiting for lock files to be
>> released...?
> I'll look into it -- this may be related to a problem J C Lawrence has
> reported (with subject "Performance under load (bursty message
> flow)").

I guess so -- it happened again this morning when a moderator was approving some
posts, the server go a unbelievable high load: it took me about 30 minutes to
get into a telnet session and issue a shutdown :(
Everytime a post is approved, the connection stalls exactly 15 seconds (which
happens to be exactly the timeout of the lockfiles in mailman)... usually when
i had to do a shutdown, i have to replace ~mailman/lists/list-name/config.db
with config.db.latest because it has become corrupted ("no such list")
anyway, the server also handles mail and is supposed to be up 24h a day and i
hope i can fix this soon cause this is getting unworkable :(... and this way i
never get a cool uptime :)

ps: sorry for cross-posting in mailman-users and develop ...

Ricardo.
--



From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Fri May 28 00:04:07 1999
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 28 May 1999 00:04:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors with > 1000 members.
In-Reply-To: Clark Evans's message of "Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:56:38 +0000"
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9903230940110.5140-100000@dionysia.org> <14072.10393.127623.533020@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <36F8652B.31D17CEC@manhattanproject.com> <36F877D5.1E0B6CF8@manhattanproject.com> <36F88CA6.7BE18469@manhattanproject.com>
Message-ID: <d6dyaia2mqw.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

[Clark Evans]

> As I was adding users to a list (probably around a thousand?), I got
> the error at the bottom.

I have experimented somewhat with adding lots of users to Mailman
lists, and found that if the mass subscribe process takes to long, the
CGI script is killed off by the server (and leaves me with a Netscape
popup window saying "Document contained no data").

Apparently, for Apache, the appropriate config option is "Timeout" --
which defaults to 300 (= 5 minutes).

If the server kills off the CGI script at a bad time -- in the middle
of saving the list config db -- you'll experience problems like you
describe.

The solution is to replace the list's corrupted config.db with the
previous version, called config.db.last.

Possible solutions I can think of:

 * Speeding up the mass subscribe processing:

   Currently, when adding lots of members from the web interface, the
   list config db is saved after each addition, and then finally once
   more at the end.
   
   I'm considering changing this so that only the "final" save is
   done.  That would speed up the mass subscription processing
   considerably -- and thus the CGI will be more likely to finish
   within "Timeout" -- and also reduce the risk of the script being
   killed off at a bad time, as only _one_ config save will be
   performed.
   
   However, such a change will also mean that _if_ the CGI is killed
   off, _none_ of the intended list changes have been saved.

 * Make sure the CGI script _isn't_ killed:

   If the Mailman CGI scripts are changed to ignore SIGTERM signals,
   would the problem go away?  I don't know enough about CGI scripting
   to say for sure, but my guess would be that _some_ server kills off
   timed-out processes with SIGKILL.

   And, even if the script isn't killed, the server will still close
   the connection on timeout -- leaving me with "The document
   contained no data" popup windows.

If anyone have other, better ways of solving this, let me know...

-- 
Harald



From dan at dpcsys.com  Fri May 28 03:44:09 1999
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:44:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors with > 1000 members.
In-Reply-To: <d6dyaia2mqw.fsf@octarine.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990527184107.3716L-100000@java.dpcsys.com>

On 28 May 1999, Harald Meland wrote:
> [Clark Evans]
> > As I was adding users to a list (probably around a thousand?), I got
> > the error at the bottom.
> 
> I have experimented somewhat with adding lots of users to Mailman
> lists, and found that if the mass subscribe process takes to long, the
> CGI script is killed off by the server (and leaves me with a Netscape
> popup window saying "Document contained no data").
> 
> Apparently, for Apache, the appropriate config option is "Timeout" --
> which defaults to 300 (= 5 minutes).
> 
> If the server kills off the CGI script at a bad time -- in the middle
> of saving the list config db -- you'll experience problems like you
> describe.
> 
> The solution is to replace the list's corrupted config.db with the
> previous version, called config.db.last.
> 
> Possible solutions I can think of:
> 
>  * Speeding up the mass subscribe processing:
> 
>    Currently, when adding lots of members from the web interface, the
>    list config db is saved after each addition, and then finally once
>    more at the end.

It does this when using the command line add_members too.

How about a new option to add_members that skips the config file
update?  Should be safer than doing it via CGI.

And *why* would you want to add 1000+ members from the web interface?
It's got to be a lot easier to give add_members a massaged 
list[proc|serv]/majorodom file than pasting in the addresses.

Dan
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From afu at altek.com.my  Sat May 29 01:29:15 1999
From: afu at altek.com.my (Feisal Umar)
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:29:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive is Forbidden: Error  [NEWBIE]
References: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990527184107.3716L-100000@java.dpcsys.com>
Message-ID: <374F26CB.DC576A6@altek.com.my>

Hi.

Whenever I tried to access the current archives, I get an error message - 
"You don't have permission to access /pipermail/demo-list/1999-May.txt.gz on
this server"

This only happens to the current archive, past archives are OK. A check at
the file permissions lists that the current archive file is owned by the
mailman uid whilst the past archives are owned by the httpd server uid.

Can anyone please help me out here?

Thanks in advance

Feisal Umar



From tabbott at intekom.com  Fri May 28 12:08:49 1999
From: tabbott at intekom.com (Tony Abbott)
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:08:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems interpreting addresses
Message-ID: <374E6B31.C8FCA13C@intekom.com>

Hi all,

A problem & a general question for you:

1) I'm testing mailman here and everything went smoothly up until I
tried to confirm my subscription to a test list. I don't have this
problem with the mailman lists, so I was wondering if anyone else has
had this or if I'm just being daft :)

It seems to have trouble interpreting my From: field (which is "Tony
Abbott <tabbott at intekom.com>"), because in logs/smtp-failures I get:

May 28 07:56:35 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To tony:
May 28 07:56:35 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:   
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused  / {'tony': (501,
'<tony>: recipient address must contain a domain')}  (dequeued)

so it looks to me like it is just taking the first word of the address
when trying to reply instead of the actual email address. It sends the
first message fine when I subscribe via the web page, so the mail does
work, it just seems to grok this address incorrectly. I'm running
mailman v1.0rc1, Python 1.5.2 & Exim 3.01 on Irix 6.2. Any ideas?


2) How ready is Mailman for production use? From the fact that it's for
all intents and purposes reached version 1.0 I assume it's stable. How
well does it scale?

thanks


-t

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From kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu  Fri May 28 12:41:16 1999
From: kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu (Kadlecsik Jozsi)
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:41:16 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patch against HyperArch.py
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9905281232250.28494-100000@sunserv.kfki.hu>

Hello,

The patch below against HyperArch.py makes the archive.html template 
to work: the changes made on the web interface will have effect and
HyperArch will use the template instead of the hardcoded page.

*** HyperArch.py.orig   Wed May 26 10:32:54 1999
--- HyperArch.py        Fri May 28 12:30:09 1999
***************
*** 462,471 ****
--- 462,481 ----
                                       % (t, t))
          return self.html_hdr_tmpl % d
  
+     def SnarfHTMLTemplate(self, file):
+         # XXX: hack, blech, yuk
+         filename = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR,
+                                 self.maillist._internal_name,
+                                 file)
+         f = open(filename,'r')
+         str = f.read()
+         f.close()
+         return str
  
  
      def html_TOC(self):
          d = {"listname": self.maillist.real_name,
+              "internalname": self.maillist._internal_name,
               "listinfo": self.maillist.GetAbsoluteScriptURL('listinfo')
}
          listing = ""
          if not self.archives:
***************
*** 521,526 ****
--- 531,537 ----
                            {'archive' : a,
                             'textlink': textlink}
          d["archive_listing"] = listing
+       self.html_TOC_tmpl = self.SnarfHTMLTemplate('archives.html')
          return self.html_TOC_tmpl % d
  
      def __init__(self, maillist,unlock=1):


The template must be based on the following version of archive.html:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<HTML>
  <HEAD>
     <title>The %(listname)s Archives</title>
  </HEAD>
  <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">
     <h1>The %(listname)s Archives </h1>
     <p>
      <a href="%(listinfo)s">More info on this list...</a>
     </p>
     %(noarchive_msg)s
     %(archive_listing_start)s
     %(archive_listing)s
     %(archive_listing_end)s
     </BODY>
     </HTML>

Regards,
Jozsef
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From ds-list-mailman at sws5.ctd.ornl.gov  Fri May 28 21:30:16 1999
From: ds-list-mailman at sws5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill)
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:30:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie probs
Message-ID: <14158.61128.150104.233092@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov>

Just installed 1.0rc1/Python 1.5.2 and created a test list called
"mailman-test". (Never got a message from Mailman about it, but I
guessed the URL would be:

    http://sws1/mailman/listinfo/mailman-test

I got:

Bug in Mailman version 1.0rc1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for
this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'





Environment variables:

 Variable
                           Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT 
                           /usr/local/www/htdocs 
 REMOTE_HOST 
                           sws5.ctd.ornl.gov 
 SERVER_PORT 
                           80 
 PATH_TRANSLATED 
                           /usr/local/www/htdocs/mailman-test 
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
                           CGI/1.1 
 HTTP_PROXY_CONNECTION
                           Keep-Alive 
 REMOTE_ADDR 
                           128.219.128.125 
 SERVER_NAME 
                           sws1.ctd.ornl.gov 
 SCRIPT_FILENAME 
                           /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo 
 HTTP_ACCEPT 
                           image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* 
 REQUEST_URI 
                           /mailman/listinfo/mailman-test 
 PATH 
                           /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/etc:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/ucb:/sbin
 QUERY_STRING 
 SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                           HTTP/1.0 
 PATH_INFO 
                           /mailman-test 
 HTTP_HOST 
                           sws1 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                           GET 
 SERVER_SIGNATURE 
                           Apache/1.3.6 Server at sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Port 80
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                           /mailman/listinfo 
 SERVER_ADMIN 
                           ds-sws1-webmaster at sws5.ctd.ornl.gov 
 SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                           Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) 
 PYTHONPATH 
                           /usr/local/mailman 
 REMOTE_PORT 
                           4770 

Any ideas what I did wrong?

-Dave



From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Sat May 29 10:25:28 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:25:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] stalled connection:
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990526223740.ricardo@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990529102528.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

On 26-May-99 Ricardo Kustner wrote:
>> I'll look into it -- this may be related to a problem J C Lawrence has
>> reported (with subject "Performance under load (bursty message
>> flow)").
> I guess so -- it happened again this morning when a moderator was approving
> some
> posts, the server go a unbelievable high load: it took me about 30 minutes to

well... i just disabled mail archiving and now the stalled connection dropped
back from 15 seconds to about 4... seems an improvement, but it still doesnt
look right and i still have a "<zombie>" python process flying around during
these few seconds...
i wish mailman had some debug flag so I could see at what point it is
"stalling"...

Ricardo.
--



From hotcocoa at bellsouth.net  Sun May 30 19:38:27 1999
From: hotcocoa at bellsouth.net (Harmony Major)
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting with Mailman
Message-ID: <199905301735.NAA22328@mail.rdu.bellsouth.net>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can tell me what in the world to do with Mailman
once it's downloaded on my PC?  I don't know how to install it, and I don't
know Python.  

I read the previous "install" posts, text files in the program, and
everything else I thought would be helpful, but to no avail.  Can anyone
tell me what to do next?  Shouldn't I just be able to run the program now?

Thanks.  : )

Best Wishes,

Harmony Major

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From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Sun May 30 20:19:38 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:19:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <199905301735.NAA22328@mail.rdu.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <XFMail.990530201938.ricardo@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

On 30-May-99 Harmony Major wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone can tell me what in the world to do with Mailman
> once it's downloaded on my PC?  I don't know how to install it, and I don't
> know Python.  

first of all, on which platform / OS are you trying to install Mailman?
if you are using Linux, which distribution?
pyhton is the language in which mailman is written; it needs to be on your
system too... 
you can download python from http://www.python.org in case you dont have it yet.

uhm, you ARE trying to install it on a unix system, right? :)

Ricardo.
--



From rupa-list at rupa.com  Sun May 30 22:13:23 1999
From: rupa-list at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker (list))
Date: 30 May 1999 13:13:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce to moderator patch
Message-ID: <m3btf2qpss.fsf@gw.rupa.com>

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From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net  Mon May 31 05:38:52 1999
From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:38:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem moving from one machine to another
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9905302202250.774-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

I have been using mm since b6 or so, and it has been great. I had a
hardware failure on my server, and decided to retire that machine and move
its address and services to another machine with RedHat 6. I have
installed rc1 on it with no problems; set up a test list with success in
every way (send mail to the list, configure via web interface, etc.).
However, I am unable to get my old lists to function (I copied the entire
directory tree from the old drive). If I try to go to the admin page for
one, I get an "Internal Server Error" and mail sent to it dies and goes to
the postmaster:

Subject: Postmaster notify: Service unavailable
Parts/Attachments:

<snip>

The original message was received at Sat, 29 May 1999 22:41:53 -0500
from localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
|"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner rtctable"
    (expanded from: rtctable-admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 |"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner rtctable"... Service
unavailable


And in the maillog, I get this sort of thing:

May 30 22:12:01 jerrya sendmail[1257]: WAA01257:
from=<mailman-owner at jerrya>, size=1401, class=-60, pri=139401, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<199905310312.WAA01257 at jerrya.fastrans.net>, proto=ESMTP,
relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
May 30 22:12:01 jerrya sendmail[1258]: WAA01257: to=<jerrya>,
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent
May 30 22:21:14 jerrya sendmail[1338]: WAA01338:
from=<jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net>, size=326, class=0, pri=30326, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<Pine.LNX.4.10.9905302221020.774-100000 at jerrya.fastrans.net>,
proto=ESMTP, relay=jerrya at localhost
May 30 22:21:14 jerrya sendmail[1339]: WAA01339: clone WAA01338,
owner=rtctable-admin
May 30 22:21:19 jerrya sendmail[1339]: WAA01339: SYSERR(jerrya): mailer
prog died with signal 13
May 30 22:21:19 jerrya sendmail[1339]: WAA01339:
to=|"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post rtctable", delay=00:00:05,
xdelay=00:00:04, mailer=prog, stat=Deferred



Now, I am able to send mail to my new test list, and I have the link in
/etc/smrsh/ to the wrapper. File and directory permissions all look
identical between the old lists and the test list. I can't figure out what
I'm missing here. HELP!! :-)

Thanks!

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel







From dcinege at psychosis.com  Mon May 31 06:58:33 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:58:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Exim, and Debian (recipient rejected)
Message-ID: <375216F9.67717AB6@psychosis.com>

I had the pleasure of spending 2 hours getting mailman to work. : P
I didn't find anything in the archives on my specific problem,
so I'm posting the fix.

Package: exim   
Version: 2.05-1  

Package: mailman 
Version: 1.0rc1-1
This version does not include the INSTALL file. : O

If your exim is setup with good relay controls (aka CORRECTLY!)
all resends will get rejected with the error:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1999-05-31 00:07:13 unqualified recipient rejected: <root> H=localhost
(schizo.psychosis.com) [127.0.0.1] (list)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

You must edit /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py (/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/) and 
set USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 1.


In /etc/exim.conf add this below 'system_aliases:'

mailman_aliases:
  driver = aliasfile;
  file = /etc/exim.aliases.mailman,
  search_type = lsearch
  user = list

The debian package defaults mailman to the user 'list'.
With the above you shoudl put mailman aliases in /etc/exim.aliases.mailman

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From dcinege at psychosis.com  Mon May 31 07:53:42 1999
From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 01:53:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman, Exim, and Debian (recipient rejected)
Message-ID: <375223E6.5ABFC997@psychosis.com>

Opps...almost forgot. Exim also needs:

'localhost' (127.0.0.1) added to 'sender_host_accept_relay'
or it will not deliver to remote addresses.


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