From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr  1 00:06:40 2000
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:06:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives
References: <Pine.SGI.4.05.10003311638590.22672-100000@lechesis.zdepth.com>
Message-ID: <38E52170.4D85D64E@west.sun.com>

No, that's not right.  The names *in* /home/mailman/archive/public are
links to files of the same name in /home/mailman/archive/private (assuming
the "public archive" attribute is set for the list).

/home/mailman/archive/public gets made in the first place by "make install".
If it's not there, just create it.

Todd Shrider wrote:
> 
> If you look in /home/mailmain/archive/ (or your equiv) public is a
> symbolic link to private. I don't know that this should be the case for
> public in the cgi-bin or not, but what the hay!
> 
> ---
> Todd M. Shrider
> tshrider at kascope.com
> 
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jeff Fiegel wrote:
> 
> > At 03:00 PM 3/31/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > Well there is no file named "public" in the /home/mailman/cgi-bin/   but
> > there is a "private" and the private archives work so???????? I assume
> > there should be a public file as well...
> >
> >
> > >Are they really missing or do you not have the link in the httpd.conf file
> > >set properly?
> > >
> > >I couldn't get the public archives to work until I added the alias from
> > >
> > >  <prefix1>/htdocs/pipermail/ -> <prefix2>/mailman/archives/public/
> > >
> > >You also need to make sure in the alias directory definition has the
> > >FollowSymLinks attribute because mailmain uses a lot of symbolic links.



From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr  1 00:20:14 2000
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:20:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman?
References: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7EF4@email.cu-portland.edu>
Message-ID: <38E5249E.9091A967@west.sun.com>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> Hi there!  I was wondering if somebody could help me out.  I've got it
> installed, and it says that everything is happy, but when it tries to
> subscribe me, this is the error that I get in $mailman/logs/smtp-failures:
> 
> Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To gleblanc at cu-portland.edu:
> Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:    socket.error  / (110, 'Connection
> timed out')  (deferred)
> Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:  Maybe your MTA daemon needs
> restarting?
> 
> Sendmail doesn't say that anything is wrong, and I can send mail from
> ordinary users.  No, my MTA daemon doesn't need restarting, I tried that
> already.  I've run out of things to look at.  Thanks,

You could try uncommenting the stuff in Utils.py in TrySMTPDelivery for more
info.

You might also try 

python -i bin/withlist <listname>

and then

sys.path.insert("/home/mailman/Mailman")  (Barry, why doesn't bin/withlist do this?)

mm_cfg.SMTPHOST		 (to make sure you have the host you think configured)
import smtplib
s=smtplib.SMTP(mm_cfg.SMTPHOST)	(to do the same thing TrySMTPDelivery does)



From jeff at mail.zefex.com  Sat Apr  1 05:05:07 2000
From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:05:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives
In-Reply-To: <38E52170.4D85D64E@west.sun.com>
References: <Pine.SGI.4.05.10003311638590.22672-100000@lechesis.zdepth.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000331214642.00aaa4a0@mail.zefex.com>

The problem that I am having is that when I a user select to see the 
archive when the archives are public then get the error that the page 
cannot be found...  Hence the reason why I believe that the file that is 
missing is in the /home/mailman/CGI-BIN dir ...  There is a private file 
there but not a public...


Can someone please check the /home/mailman/cgi-bin directory and tell me if 
there is a "public" file, atleast I will know if I am on the right track....



At 02:06 PM 3/31/00 -0800, you wrote:
>No, that's not right.  The names *in* /home/mailman/archive/public are
>links to files of the same name in /home/mailman/archive/private (assuming
>the "public archive" attribute is set for the list).
>
>/home/mailman/archive/public gets made in the first place by "make install".
>If it's not there, just create it.
>
>Todd Shrider wrote:
> >
> > If you look in /home/mailmain/archive/ (or your equiv) public is a
> > symbolic link to private. I don't know that this should be the case for
> > public in the cgi-bin or not, but what the hay!
> >
> > ---
> > Todd M. Shrider
> > tshrider at kascope.com
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jeff Fiegel wrote:
> >
> > > At 03:00 PM 3/31/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > > Well there is no file named "public" in the /home/mailman/cgi-bin/   but
> > > there is a "private" and the private archives work so???????? I assume
> > > there should be a public file as well...
> > >
> > >
> > > >Are they really missing or do you not have the link in the 
> httpd.conf file
> > > >set properly?
> > > >
> > > >I couldn't get the public archives to work until I added the alias from
> > > >
> > > >  <prefix1>/htdocs/pipermail/ -> <prefix2>/mailman/archives/public/
> > > >
> > > >You also need to make sure in the alias directory definition has the
> > > >FollowSymLinks attribute because mailmain uses a lot of symbolic links.
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Sat Apr  1 15:05:10 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 15:05:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disable unsub from a list?
In-Reply-To: <200003312138.NAA25883@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>; from dave@geol.ucsb.edu on Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 01:38:47PM -0800
References: <200003312138.NAA25883@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID: <20000401150510.P7724@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 01:38:47PM -0800, Dave Robbins wrote:

> Because I currently have sendmail lists where users cannot unsubscribe
> (and are not allowed to), is there any mechanism for disabling a
> members's ability to do this?   For example, a list to deliver
> emergency notices would not work too well if members were permitted 
> to unsubscribe.  At the same time, however, I desire the no-posting
> from non-members.

I think in such a case you can count on the sanity of the users, can you?

A solution would be to restrict/disallow posting to the list management
address (list-request) from within sendmail (access.db)

Also put some access restrictions on the web pages of the Mailman
Webinterface.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
PP: MMDF gone mad with standards fever. Think "Brazil". 




From sam at unah.hondunet.net  Sat Apr  1 19:58:55 2000
From: sam at unah.hondunet.net (Sergio A. Murillo D.)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:58:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Groups Problems
Message-ID: <LOBBJOHDBBMHCNBJBGNPOEFLCDAA.sam@unah.hondunet.net>

I installed mailman with a .rpm file on my RedHat 6.1 system. All went well!
The list was working fine and it still working. The thing is that now that I
want to use the web admin page I get this.

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 502.  (Reconfigure to take
502?)

I didn;t get this message before, till now!.. Any ideas on how to fix it
short of recompiling mailman? Does anybody know why this happened?


==============================================
Sergio A. Murillo D.
Internet UNAH
==============================================




From alamar at partners-intl.net  Sun Apr  2 01:33:38 2000
From: alamar at partners-intl.net (Aaron La Mar)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:33:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All password reminders have the same List-Id
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10004011826400.99472-100000@access.partners-intl.net>

The setting: Mailman 1.1, FreeBSD 3.1, Python 1.5.2, Apache 1.3.6, PHP
3.0.10

The problem: I host many lists on my mailman server and all of the
password reminders that are going out have the same List-Id tag.

As you can see from the mail header below, password reminders for my
neww.org mailing lists were sent out with the List-Id from my isep.org
list.

Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 05:03:59 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <200004011003.FAA89733 at access.partners-intl.net>
Subject: neww.org mailing list memberships reminder
To: username at somwhere.dom
X-No-Archive: yes
Precedence: bulk
X-Mailman-Version: 1.1
Precedence: bulk
List-Id: ISEP coordinators electronic mailing list <isep-l.isep.org>

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

- Aaron




From dave at geol.ucsb.edu  Sun Apr  2 02:15:19 2000
From: dave at geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Robbins)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:15:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disable unsub from a list?
Message-ID: <200004020015.QAA03954@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>

On Sat, 1 Apr 2000 15:05:10 +0200,
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> wrote:

> I think in such a case you can count on the sanity of the users, can you?
> 
> A solution would be to restrict/disallow posting to the list management
> address (list-request) from within sendmail (access.db)
> 
> Also put some access restrictions on the web pages of the Mailman
> Webinterface.

Hi Ralf,

I could be wrong but I think those solutions would all require hostnames 
not individual user addresses?  In any case, I did figure out a solution
by simply editing ~mailman/lists/<mylist>/options.html and
removing the "Unsubscribe" button.

   /bin/diff options.html options.html.orig
   36c36,37
   < Department Staff must remain on the staff mailing list.
   ---
   > To unsubscribe, enter your password and hit the button.  (If you've
   > lost your password, see just below to have it emailed to you.)
   39c40,41
   < &nbsp;
   ---
   > Password: <MM-Unsub-Pw-Box> &nbsp;
   > <MM-Unsubscribe-Button>

Thanks for your help.

Dave Robbins



From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Sun Apr  2 10:20:00 2000
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 00:20:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives
References: <Pine.SGI.4.05.10003311638590.22672-100000@lechesis.zdepth.com> <4.3.1.0.20000331214642.00aaa4a0@mail.zefex.com>
Message-ID: <38E702B0.CC94DDE4@west.sun.com>

Jeff Fiegel wrote:
> 
> The problem that I am having is that when I a user select to see the
> archive when the archives are public then get the error that the page
> cannot be found...  Hence the reason why I believe that the file that is
> missing is in the /home/mailman/CGI-BIN dir

I've no idea why you would think that "page not found" means it's a
CGI page.  What do you think happens when a normal HTML page is selected
that can't be found?

> ...  There is a private file there but not a public...

cgi-bin/private is an executable that presents the "private archive
access" authentication screen.  There is no need for a "public" script,
since public archives are open to all, and direct URL access is 
possible.

Neither the cgi-bin stuff nor the archive files can be accessed
without the right web server configuration directives, as noted
in the INSTALL file, step 4.

> Can someone please check the /home/mailman/cgi-bin directory and tell me if
> there is a "public" file, atleast I will know if I am on the right track....

What exact URL is failing?  What Alias mapping do you have in your web server
to allow that URL to map to a file?  Have you restarted your web server since
you added that Alias?  And what file do you have at that 
destination?  If all of those seem correct, what permissions do you have
on the subdirectory and file you're trying to access?



From tm at mindconnect.com  Sun Apr  2 23:48:42 2000
From: tm at mindconnect.com (TM)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:48:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Troubles - Tip
Message-ID: <p04310102b50d6fdad8bd@[192.168.168.11]>

After struggling around a while with problems like nothing in the 
$prefix/cgi-bin dir, missing mail/wrapper, missing paths.py,... i 
discovered the problem (ouch).

For some reason the /usr/src/linux link to /usr/src/linux-2.2.xx was 
missing. Adding this link and voila - everything works fine.

Regards - Tom



From rone at macromedia.com  Mon Apr  3 00:44:53 2000
From: rone at macromedia.com (Ron Echeverri)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman?
In-Reply-To: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7EF4@email.cu-portland.edu> from
 Gregory Leblanc at "Mar 31, 2000 01:42:35 pm"
Message-ID: <200004022244.PAA03337@wolf.macromedia.com>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
  Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To gleblanc at cu-portland.edu:
  Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / (110, 'Connection timed out') (deferred)
  Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs restarting?
  
  Sendmail doesn't say that anything is wrong, and I can send mail from
  ordinary users.  No, my MTA daemon doesn't need restarting, I tried that
  already.  I've run out of things to look at.

This happened to me, although my problem was "Connection refused"
rather than a timeout.  We tuned sendmail.cf by increasing
MaxDaemonChildren and ConnectionRateThrottle like so:

    # maximum number of children we allow at one time
    O MaxDaemonChildren=20

    # maximum number of new connections per second
    O ConnectionRateThrottle=10
  
I'm guessing that if your connection times out, your server might be
too loaded.

rone
-- 
Ron Echeverri			<rone at macromedia.com>
UNIX Systems Administrator	Desk:	x2149
Macromedia, Inc.		Cell:	+1-415-2547942
<URL:http://ite/~rone/>		Pager:	+1-888-6585681



From jeff at mail.zefex.com  Mon Apr  3 02:51:17 2000
From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 19:51:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gzipped archives
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000402194958.00a91390@mail.zefex.com>

	I am confused about the gzipping of the archives....  It doesnt appear 
that the txt.gz archive files are actually gzipped????




From dgc at uchicago.edu  Mon Apr  3 03:19:41 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 20:19:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gzipped archives
In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000402194958.00a91390@mail.zefex.com>; from jeff@mail.zefex.com on Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 07:51:17PM -0500
References: <4.3.1.0.20000402194958.00a91390@mail.zefex.com>
Message-ID: <20000402201941.T23585@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.04.02, in <4.3.1.0.20000402194958.00a91390 at mail.zefex.com>,
	"Jeff Fiegel" <jeff at mail.zefex.com> wrote:
> 	I am confused about the gzipping of the archives....  It doesnt appear 
> that the txt.gz archive files are actually gzipped????

Web browsers have an unfortunate tendency to uncompress .Z and .gx
files on the fly, though they sometimes leave .tar.(Z|gz) and these
wretched .tgz files alone.

-- 
-D. dgc at uchicago.edu    "Still... this may be my most profound achievement yet.
    NS/ENSA              ...Today was the day of the Bake-Off. Alas, things
    Networking Services  did not go as I had hoped.  During the judging, the
    U of IL, Hyde Park	 beaver became agitated and bit Betty Crocker's wrist."



From kaiser at emjay.net  Sun Apr  2 07:47:26 2000
From: kaiser at emjay.net (kaiser at emjay.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 00:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install problem
Message-ID: <200004020547.AAA04949@smudo.emjay.net>

I've spent most of tonight trying to install Mailman.  It seems I have it in right, until I try to run it.

When I attempt to access /pipermail/ or /Pipermail/ (I set up aliases for each of them), I get:

You don't have permission to access /pipermail/ on this server.

I thought I set it up right with the proper permissions, but it doesn't seem to work.  How do I fix this?  I am using apache.

Problem 2:

I set up the test list, and it created the new addresses for which I have to set up aliases.  What is the address I alias them to?

Thanks...hopefully I will be running by morning.

-Michael

PS  Can I import a text list of email addresses to transfer my lists from one server to Mailman?

From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Mon Apr  3 11:14:50 2000
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 02:14:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install problem
References: <200004020547.AAA04949@smudo.emjay.net>
Message-ID: <38E8610A.27BB4AE5@west.sun.com>

kaiser at emjay.net wrote:
> 
> I've spent most of tonight trying to install Mailman.  It seems I have it in right, until I try to run it.
> 
> When I attempt to access /pipermail/ or /Pipermail/ (I set up aliases for each of them), I get:
> 
> You don't have permission to access /pipermail/ on this server.
> 
> I thought I set it up right with the proper permissions, but it doesn't seem to work.  How do I fix this?  I am using apache.

If you think you've done it right, how about letting on to the rest of
us how you've done it, so we can confirm or deny?  How else can we help?

Make sure you've read #6/7 on http://www.list.org/faq.html.
 
> Problem 2:
> 
> I set up the test list, and it created the new addresses for which I have to set up aliases.  What is the address I alias them to?

The addresses that the newlist program prints out, and mails to the
list owner, are exactly what needs to be in the aliases file.  That's why
it says this before it prints them:

Entry for aliases file:
 
> Thanks...hopefully I will be running by morning.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> PS  Can I import a text list of email addresses to transfer my lists from one server to Mailman?

See bin/add_members



From jeff at mail.zefex.com  Mon Apr  3 15:09:31 2000
From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:09:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives
In-Reply-To: <38E85CFB.4AC1BCC0@west.sun.com>
References: <Pine.SGI.4.05.10003311638590.22672-100000@lechesis.zdepth.com>
 <4.3.1.0.20000331214642.00aaa4a0@mail.zefex.com>
 <4.3.1.0.20000402071907.00a907d0@mail.zefex.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000403090818.00ab4450@mail.zefex.com>

I found it....   The problem was that the was that my archives are no in 
pipermail so changing the Alias fixed it.....

Thank you...



At 01:57 AM 4/3/00 -0700, Dan Mick wrote:
>Jeff Fiegel wrote:
> >
> > At 12:20 AM 4/2/00 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Jeff Fiegel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The problem that I am having is that when I a user select to see the
> > > > archive when the archives are public then get the error that the page
> > > > cannot be found...  Hence the reason why I believe that the file 
> that is
> > > > missing is in the /home/mailman/CGI-BIN dir
> > >
> > >I've no idea why you would think that "page not found" means it's a
> > >CGI page.  What do you think happens when a normal HTML page is selected
> > >that can't be found?
> >
> > Because the error log says script not found "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/public"
>
>Ah.  Well, having that bit of info might have helped determine that,
>yes.  I don't know why your archive link is going there...but read on...
>
> > > > ...  There is a private file there but not a public...
> > >
> > >cgi-bin/private is an executable that presents the "private archive
> > >access" authentication screen.  There is no need for a "public" script,
> > >since public archives are open to all, and direct URL access is
> > >possible.
> >
> > Okay.... but the url for the public archives is /mailman/public/listname
>
>not for my public archives it's not; the link on the list information page
>is "<base>/pipermail/<listname>"; that makes the archives go through
>the other Alias in my config file, which, as the documentation says,
>should point to /home/mailman/archives/public, which is a directory.
>PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in mm_cfg.py is what sets it there.  Maybe you
>changed that value to something unfortunate?...
>
> > and since /mailman is aliased as /home/mailman/cgi-bin....
> >
> > maybe it isn't a file, a link maybe ? But  shouldn't there be something
> > named public in the /home/mailman/cgi-bin
> >
> > everything is setup as per the install.. and everything else works fine..
> > the only problem is the public archives.
>
>I guess the question is "where are you getting that link to the archives,
>and why".  The one I'm talking about is in the list info page, which for
>my mailman is templates/listinfo.html, revision 1.19, and it has a tag
>MM-Archive which is interpreted by substituting in PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL.




From kaiser at emjay.net  Mon Apr  3 15:36:55 2000
From: kaiser at emjay.net (kaiser at emjay.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:36:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install problem
Message-ID: <200004031336.JAA02022@smudo.emjay.net>

Dan Mick <dan.mick at West.Sun.COM> wrote ..
> kaiser at emjay.net wrote:
> > 
> > You don't have permission to access /pipermail/ on this server.
> > 
> > I thought I set it up right with the proper permissions, but it doesn't seem to
> work.  How do I fix this?  I am using apache.
> 
> If you think you've done it right, how about letting on to the rest of
> us how you've done it, so we can confirm or deny?  How else can we help?
> 
Using Webmin 0.78, I went to the apache setup page for the default server (where this is running), and set up an entry in the Document directory aliases (for /Pipermail/ and /pipermail/).

Also, when I tried to go to the /mailman/admin/test page, it told me:

The requested URL /mailman/admin/test was not found on this server.

Do I also need to set up an alias for /mailman/ to point to /home/mailman ?
 
> Make sure you've read #6/7 on http://www.list.org/faq.html.
>  
It isn't that it isn't following the link, it's not allowing me to access it via the web.  Other links are followed just fine (like /icons/).  The permissions on the folder are drwxrwxsr-x.

> > Problem 2:
> > 
> > I set up the test list, and it created the new addresses for which I have to set
> up aliases.  What is the address I alias them to?
> 
> The addresses that the newlist program prints out, and mails to the
> list owner, are exactly what needs to be in the aliases file.  That's why
> it says this before it prints them:
> 
> Entry for aliases file:
>  
This wasn't in the email it sent to the list owner.

-Michael

From astrupp at nlm.nih.gov  Mon Apr  3 15:40:52 2000
From: astrupp at nlm.nih.gov (Annette Strupp-Adams)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:40:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris: max. no. of file descriptors
Message-ID: <200004031340.JAA00756@image3.nlm.nih.gov>

Configuration:
Mailman 1.1
Solaris 2.7, Ultra Sparc Enterprise
Python 1.5.2

I am in the process of installing Mailman.


Does Mailman require at least 150 file descriptors in order to work reliably
while sending email ?  

Does Mailman show the full name and address of users, besides their login
name ?

Thanks,

Annette

Annette Strupp-Adams
Senior Systems Analyst
astrupp at nlm.nih.gov
National Library of Medicine





From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Mon Apr  3 15:46:37 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:46:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris: max. no. of file descriptors
In-Reply-To: <200004031340.JAA00756@image3.nlm.nih.gov>; from astrupp@nlm.nih.gov on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:40:52AM -0400
References: <200004031340.JAA00756@image3.nlm.nih.gov>
Message-ID: <20000403154637.A26392@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:40:52AM -0400, Annette Strupp-Adams wrote:

> Does Mailman require at least 150 file descriptors in order to work reliably
> while sending email ?  

? I don't know about mailman, but keep in mind that mailman might invoke
parallel SMTP connections to your mailserver -- and those might lead to
filedescriptor problems...
 
> Does Mailman show the full name and address of users, besides their login
> name ?

It just shows the address.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
Unix IS user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are.

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From astrupp at nlm.nih.gov  Mon Apr  3 16:04:12 2000
From: astrupp at nlm.nih.gov (Annette Strupp-Adams)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Running Mailman on a separate port from sendmail, etc.
Message-ID: <200004031404.KAA00795@image3.nlm.nih.gov>

Configuration:
Mailman 1.1
Solaris 2.7, Ultra Sparc Enterprise
Python 1.5.2

Is there a way to configure Mailman so that it uses a separate port from
sendmail ?  

Example:

I configure sendmail to only use the foll. IP address:
<some IP address to the machine on which sendmail runs>

That leaves another IP address on the same machine to Mailman:
<another IP address to the machine on which both sendmail and Mailman run>




Is there a way to configure Mailman to show the users' full name and
address, etc. besides their login name ? 
> Does Mailman show the full name and address of users, besides their login
> name ?

It just shows the address.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
Unix IS user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are.


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Thank you,


Annette Strupp-Adams
Senior Systems Analyst
astrupp at nlm.nih.gov
National Library of Medicine

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From astrupp at nlm.nih.gov  Mon Apr  3 16:22:25 2000
From: astrupp at nlm.nih.gov (Annette Strupp-Adams)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:22:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are the icons ?
Message-ID: <200004031422.KAA00835@image3.nlm.nih.gov>

Configuration:
Mailman 1.1
Solaris 2.7, Ultra Sparc Enterprise
Python 1.5.2

Would anyone be kind enough and tell me where I can find the foll.
files ? They are not in the download version:

misc/PythonPowered.png
mis/gnu-head-tiny.jpg 


Thanks,

Annette

Annette Strupp-Adams
Senior Systems Analyst
astrupp at nlm.nih.gov
National Library of Medicine





From waynes at iexalt.net  Mon Apr  3 17:27:02 2000
From: waynes at iexalt.net (Wayne Sitton)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim
Message-ID: <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEELGCAAA.waynes@iexalt.net>

Does anyone have, or know of a module for Exim's Mail transport arent.
Debian Linux now defaults to install Exim instead of sendmail.  If I have to
I'll remove Exim, but it has so many dependicies it will be a big task.


Wayne Sitton




From David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk  Mon Apr  3 18:12:37 2000
From: David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk (David Osborne)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:12:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:27:02 CDT."
             <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEELGCAAA.waynes@iexalt.net> 
Message-ID: <9022.954778357@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>

You write [3 Apr 2000 10:27:02 CDT]:

> Does anyone have, or know of a module for Exim's Mail transport arent.
> Debian Linux now defaults to install Exim instead of sendmail.  If I have to
> I'll remove Exim, but it has so many dependicies it will be a big task.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a module" for Exim. If you're asking if 
it's possible to configure Exim to use Mailman, then yes, many sites, 
including mine, are successfully using Exim with Mailman. In fact, the 
Exim users mailing list is run using Mailman under Exim. There's a 
howto document detailing this at www.exim.org -- it's a framed site so 
I can't give a simple URL, but click "documentation and faqs" in the 
menu frame, then find the link "using mailman lists with exim" below 
`HOWTO Documentation'.

-- 
David Osborne                            postmaster at nottingham.ac.uk
Postmaster                      phone/voicemail: +44 (0)115 951 3397
University of Nottingham, UK





From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Mon Apr  3 18:39:14 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:39:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Osborne <David.Osborne@nottingham.ac.uk>
   of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:12:37 BST." <9022.954778357@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> 
Message-ID: <E12c9sg-0007lQ-00@rioja.localnet>


David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk said:
> There's a  howto document detailing this at www.exim.org
    http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

       Nigel.


-- 
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[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  3 18:53:45 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:53:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Wayne Sitton" <waynes@iexalt.net> 
   of "Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:27:02 CDT." <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEELGCAAA.waynes@iexalt.net> 
References: <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEELGCAAA.waynes@iexalt.net> 
Message-ID: <3286.954780825@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:27:02 -0500 
Wayne Sitton <waynes at iexalt.net> wrote:

> Does anyone have, or know of a module for Exim's Mail transport
> arent.  Debian Linux now defaults to install Exim instead of
> sendmail.  If I have to I'll remove Exim, but it has so many
> dependicies it will be a big task.

Nigel has a well written HOW-TO at the Exim web site:

  http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
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From rullfig at uchicago.edu  Mon Apr  3 19:16:53 2000
From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:16:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: [Mailman-Developers] Listing Lists Faster in 2.0?]
Message-ID: <38E8D205.16A61D8C@uchicago.edu>


--
Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu
Systems Administrator
Networking Services and Information Technologies
University of Chicago
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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Mon Apr  3 19:35:11 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:35:11 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman?
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F0A@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Echeverri [mailto:rone at macromedia.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 3:45 PM
> To: Gregory Leblanc
> Cc: Mailman-Users list (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman?
> 
> 
> Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>   Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To gleblanc at cu-portland.edu:
>   Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / (110, 
> 'Connection timed out') (deferred)
>   Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon 
> needs restarting?
>   
>   Sendmail doesn't say that anything is wrong, and I can send 
> mail from
>   ordinary users.  No, my MTA daemon doesn't need restarting, 
> I tried that
>   already.  I've run out of things to look at.
> 
> This happened to me, although my problem was "Connection refused"
> rather than a timeout.  We tuned sendmail.cf by increasing
> MaxDaemonChildren and ConnectionRateThrottle like so:
> 
>     # maximum number of children we allow at one time
>     O MaxDaemonChildren=20
> 
>     # maximum number of new connections per second
>     O ConnectionRateThrottle=10
>   
> I'm guessing that if your connection times out, your server might be
> too loaded.

Thanks that makes a big difference.  :-)  'course I'm still having trouble
and it's covered in A FAQ (why are the troubleshooting docs in three
different locations?).  The problem I'm having now is listed towards the end
of the INSTALL document.  Here's a quote from INSTALL:

    Problem:  I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying,
              "sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs"

    Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell.  You need to
              configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the
              mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/wrapper) to the directory
              identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh.
              Some common names for this directory are
              /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh.
              Note that on Debian linux, the system makes
              /usr/lib/sm.bin, which is wrong, you will need to create
              the directory /usr/admin/sm.bin and add the link there.
              NOTE: any aliases newaliases spits out will need to be
              adjusted to point to the secure link to the wrapper.

So, uhm, since that's not english, I have to guess at what to do.  I've
tried creating a link in /etc/smrsh called wrapper that points to
/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper.  This makes the error when I try to post to the
list go to an account on the mailman machine instead of to the sender of the
message, but it still don't work.  Is that the right procedure?  Do I have
to change something else?  Thanks for any help.
	Greg



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Mon Apr  3 19:38:25 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:38:25 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman?
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F0C@email.cu-portland.edu>

Kindly disregard, it just started working.  Sorry for the excess.
	Greg




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Mon Apr  3 20:35:43 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:35:43 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Defaults?
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F15@email.cu-portland.edu>

Is there a way to set defaults for all new lists?  I want to have it (I
know, you guys don't advise it) default to send replies to the list, and not
to the poster.  Thanks,
	Greg



From garret at satix.net  Mon Apr  3 22:16:43 2000
From: garret at satix.net (Garret Krampe)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 04:16:43 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied
References: <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEELGCAAA.waynes@iexalt.net>
Message-ID: <38E8FC2B.A0F5C178@satix.net>

HELP ..
I backed up BEFORE I upgraded to v2.0 and then got same error after
upgrade ..
so restrored to orig. tar ball (backup)

Why for this happened ?



Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
    logger = StampedLogger('error',
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')



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From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Mon Apr  3 22:56:44 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:56:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regex filtering spam
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004031647520.10524-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

Hi,
 I'm using mailman 1.1 and I'm trying to use the regex filtering for
messages:

I have 3 subdomains - larry,moe,curly .duke.edu and I want posts coming
from there to be posted immediately and I'd like posts coming from not
there to be passed to the admin to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

so I went into the privacy options and have been playing guessing games
with the regex in the Hold Posts with header value matching a specified
regexp.

My first question is what regexp system do you use? python's I'd assume
which is c's regex base.

So I did the following

From: .*@[^(larry)|(moe)|(curly)]\.duke\.edu.*

And it didn't have any affect at all.

any ideas about the regex method would be helpful

-sv








From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Apr  3 23:06:02 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:06:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regex filtering spam
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004031647520.10524-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004031647520.10524-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <20000403170602.A31609@xcski.com>

Quoting Seth Vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu):
> My first question is what regexp system do you use? python's I'd assume
> which is c's regex base.
> 
> So I did the following
> 
> From: .*@[^(larry)|(moe)|(curly)]\.duke\.edu.*

I don't know anything about Python's regexp library, but in Perl that would
*not* do anything close to what you want.  Square brackets [] match a single
character, and the caret ^ says match anything that *isn't* in the following
list.

I think what you're trying to do is

From: .*@(larry|moe|curly)\.duke.edu.*



-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
In 1665 Issac Newton became discouraged when he fell up a flight of
stairs.



From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Mon Apr  3 23:08:56 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regex filtering spam
In-Reply-To: <20000403170602.A31609@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004031707221.10524-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

> I think what you're trying to do is
> 
> From: .*@(larry|moe|curly)\.duke.edu.*
but I'm trying to invert it. b/c I want it to bounce to admin all the
things that AREN'T from this location.

-sv





From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM  Mon Apr  3 23:16:26 2000
From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:16:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission denied
References: <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEELGCAAA.waynes@iexalt.net> <38E8FC2B.A0F5C178@satix.net>
Message-ID: <38E90A2A.9E6C97DC@west.sun.com>

Garret Krampe wrote:
> 
> HELP ..
> I backed up BEFORE I upgraded to v2.0 and then got same error after
> upgrade ..
> so restrored to orig. tar ball (backup)
> 
> Why for this happened ?
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
>     logger = StampedLogger('error',
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in
> __init__
>     Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
>     self.__get_f()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
>     reraise()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
>     f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
> IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')

Did you run bin/check_perms?



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr  4 00:08:58 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:08:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regex filtering spam
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004031707221.10524-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>
References: <20000403170602.A31609@xcski.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004031707221.10524-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <20000403180858.A367@xcski.com>

Quoting Seth Vidal (skvidal at phy.duke.edu):
> > I think what you're trying to do is
> > 
> > From: .*@(larry|moe|curly)\.duke.edu.*
> but I'm trying to invert it. b/c I want it to bounce to admin all the
> things that AREN'T from this location.

I don't know how you invert a regexp in Mailman, but why don't you try putting
the regexp of the ones you want to accept in the "addresses of members
accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement"?

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"All life is transitory. A dream. We all come together in the same place at
the end of time. If I don't see you again here, I will see you in a little
while in the place where no shadows fall." - Delenn



From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Tue Apr  4 00:09:53 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:09:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regex filtering spam
In-Reply-To: <20000403180858.A367@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004031809280.10524-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

> > > From: .*@(larry|moe|curly)\.duke.edu.*
> > but I'm trying to invert it. b/c I want it to bounce to admin all the
> > things that AREN'T from this location.
> 
> I don't know how you invert a regexp in Mailman, but why don't you try putting
> the regexp of the ones you want to accept in the "addresses of members
> accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement"?

Does that accept regex's - that wasn't clear at all.
it seemed like it only accepted full addresses.

-sv





From dkc at webtrafix.com  Tue Apr  4 00:15:58 2000
From: dkc at webtrafix.com (Dennis)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configure - UID
Message-ID: <38E9181E.38AA2C21@webtrafix.com>

Hello List-

I am having a problem where the configure script cannot find the mailman
user that I setup. I am able to su to the mailman user at the promt
signifying that the user does exist, but the configure script keeps
telling me that the user mailman does not exist. I have Python 1.5.2
installed and I get the errors with both the install for Mailman-1.1 and
Mailman-2.0beta1.

    Thank you,
        Dennis




From dkc at webtrafix.com  Tue Apr  4 00:19:17 2000
From: dkc at webtrafix.com (Dennis)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Configure - UID
Message-ID: <38E918E4.8CBDC12@webtrafix.com>

I also forgot to include that the configure script is looking for
conftest.py (in the subroutine for checking UID) and it is not located
with the Python libs or in the install directory.




From azahavi at att.com  Tue Apr  4 00:34:07 2000
From: azahavi at att.com (Zahavi, Avi, ALSVC)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:34:07 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Other Products with Similar Functionality
Message-ID: <E5B80B001D76D211879C00E02910776103DB2C55@njc240po05.ho.att.com>

Hi,

I looking for an off-the-shelf product that has functionality similar to
Mailman.

I plan to use the product internally for Project Management (so the thrill
of putting it all together is minimal....).  We do not have experience w/
Python (no offense meant here), and I would like the product to run on an NT
box where our Web server resides, if possible.  A Unix machine is OK too
(e.g., Solaris).

Any pointers, suggestions?

Thanks,

Avi
azahvi at att.com




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Apr  4 02:15:42 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Other Products with Similar Functionality
Message-ID: <200004040015.RAA05348@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I looking for an off-the-shelf product that has functionality similar to
> Mailman.
> 
> I plan to use the product internally for Project Management 

?  Mailman is a mailing-list manager; nothing more, nothing less.
If you want a mailing list, Mailman will serve; for anything else,
it kinda sucks (as you might expect).  What are you looking for
exactly, and why ask about it here?

> (so the thrill
> of putting it all together is minimal....).  We do not have experience w/
> Python (no offense meant here), and I would like the product to run on an NT
> box where our Web server resides, if possible.  A Unix machine is OK too
> (e.g., Solaris).

Python runs on NT, so so does Mailman, AFAIK.




From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Apr  4 03:26:04 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:26:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gzipped archives
In-Reply-To: <20000402201941.T23585@smack.uchicago.edu>; from dgc@uchicago.edu on dim, avr 02, 2000 at 08:19:41 -0500
References: <4.3.1.0.20000402194958.00a91390@mail.zefex.com> <20000402201941.T23585@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <20000403182604.B3856@marc.merlins.org>

On dim, avr 02, 2000 at 08:19:41 -0500, David Champion wrote:
> On 2000.04.02, in <4.3.1.0.20000402194958.00a91390 at mail.zefex.com>,
> 	"Jeff Fiegel" <jeff at mail.zefex.com> wrote:
> > 	I am confused about the gzipping of the archives....  It doesnt appear 
> > that the txt.gz archive files are actually gzipped????
> 
> Web browsers have an unfortunate tendency to uncompress .Z and .gx
> files on the fly, though they sometimes leave .tar.(Z|gz) and these
> wretched .tgz files alone.

That would be netscape.
If you set the following Xresource to nothing, the problem goes away:
Netscape*encodingFilters:

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From kaiser at emjay.net  Tue Apr  4 05:24:39 2000
From: kaiser at emjay.net (kaiser at emjay.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:24:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install problem
Message-ID: <200004040324.XAA05300@smudo.emjay.net>

Dan Mick <dan.mick at West.Sun.COM> wrote ..

> You need to read, and follow, the directions in INSTALL.  The above
> question seems pretty clearly to point to you not having read step 4
> carefully enough; the first bullet there answers your question.
> 
I read it, but I don't completely understand it.  That's what I need help with.

-Michael

From Alexey.JIRnoff at terranet.ru  Tue Apr  4 13:54:54 2000
From: Alexey.JIRnoff at terranet.ru (Alexey Jirnoff)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:54:54 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't approve messages in mailman2.0beta1
Message-ID: <38E9D80E.D7888F7F@TerraNet.Ru>

Hi all!

I have mailman v2.0beta1 on FreeBSD v3.4 (sendmail 8.9.3). I support
maillist about 300 users on it. Posts to this list is approved by me.
With mailman v1.x i have no troubles. But when i upgraded to 2.0beta1, i
can't approve messges to list.
After some times when i press _approve_ button in web browser i get
messge _The documents contained no data_. In sendmail log i see _lost
input channel from mymailmanserver_ message.

Does anybody know anything about this problem?

--
Best regards,
Alexey Jirnoff, CCNA





From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Tue Apr  4 16:53:11 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:53:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Running Mailman on a separate port from sendmail, etc.
In-Reply-To: <200004031404.KAA00795@image3.nlm.nih.gov>; from astrupp@nlm.nih.gov on Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 10:04:12AM -0400
References: <200004031404.KAA00795@image3.nlm.nih.gov>
Message-ID: <20000404165311.O27724@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 10:04:12AM -0400, Annette Strupp-Adams wrote:
> Is there a way to configure Mailman so that it uses a separate port from
> sendmail ?  

I'm not sure I understand the question. Mailman either uses the binary
/usr/lib/sendmail or connects via SMTP to a server to send mail.

What do you want to do?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
Microsoft Vaccine 2000 is configuring your immune system. This may
take a few minutes. If your body stops responding for a long time and
there is no brain activity please die. Setup will continue after you
are reborn.




From jerry at scoregroup.com  Tue Apr  4 18:27:55 2000
From: jerry at scoregroup.com (Jerry Thomas)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:27:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <NDBBLDMMDMNKIGBFBPOEAEICCEAA.jerry@scoregroup.com>

Hello,

Just a question,  I am running mailman on a redhat 6.1 box with sendmail.
The distribution list which we post to has about 50,000 people on it and is
getting killed with our weekly mailings. I have heard that FREEBSD with
postfix is more efficient any suggestions?

Thanks,
Jerry Thomas

--
Jerry Thomas
System And Network Administrator
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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Apr  4 18:32:46 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:32:46 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more header munging
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F28@email.cu-portland.edu>

Hey there!  I've got a number of lists, and I'm sure that my setup is pretty
common.  We've got, for this example, two lists list-announce, and
list-discuss.  The announcements is a low traffic list for sending
announcements, while the discuss list is designed to be a place to hold all
discussions.  The announce list is moderated, and what I'd like to happen is
to have the reply-to: header on the announce list set to the discuss list.
Can mailman do this?  Can any other MLM?  Thanks,
	Greg



From hknief at auctionwatch.com  Tue Apr  4 18:34:11 2000
From: hknief at auctionwatch.com (Herman Knief)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:34:11 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD8A3894@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com>

One problem that you may be running into is file descriptors.  If you're
running a stock RedHat kernel, you run out of fd's at some ridiculously low
number (I think 1024).  There are some published docs on increasing the
number of file descriptors and and the default number of open files allowed
per process, which is something that I have done on my systems. (I think the
basic changes are listed below) Also, going to postfix will dramatically
improve your load stats.  I run a list with 200k subscribers, and swa loads
of 30+ with sendmail... switching to postfix has allowed me to run quite
nicely, and I've not seen the load average go over 10.

 - Herman

Kernel Mods: (I've got mine set to 16k file descriptors)

/usr/src/linux/include/linux/fs.h
-#define INR_OPEN 1024		/* Initial setting for nfile rlimits */
+#define INR_OPEN 16384		/* Initial setting for nfile rlimits */

-#define NR_FILE  4096	/* this can well be larger on a larger system */
+#define NR_FILE  16384	/* this can well be larger on a larger system */

/usr/src/linux/include/linux/limits.h

-#define NR_OPEN		1024
+#define NR_OPEN		16384

/usr/src/linux/include/linux/posix_types.h

-#define __FD_SETSIZE	1024
+#define __FD_SETSIZE	16384
 
Now recompile and drop it in.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Thomas [mailto:jerry at scoregroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 9:28 AM
To: Mailman-Users
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


Hello,

Just a question,  I am running mailman on a redhat 6.1 box with sendmail.
The distribution list which we post to has about 50,000 people on it and is
getting killed with our weekly mailings. I have heard that FREEBSD with
postfix is more efficient any suggestions?

Thanks,
Jerry Thomas

--
Jerry Thomas
System And Network Administrator



From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Tue Apr  4 18:46:27 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:46:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit approval
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004041240460.13018-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

Is the address list on the implicit approval a regex or explicit addresses
only.

I've tryed various different regexes with no luck.

Is this changed in 2.0beta1

I'm mostly looking to be able to exclude "all people but those from these
few subdomains" from posting straighthrough - all others go through the
moderator.

any ideas on how to implement this?
-sv





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr  4 18:46:52 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:46:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail/Linux versus PostFix/BSD
Message-ID: <20000404124652.B31325@xcski.com>

Quoting Jerry Thomas (jerry at scoregroup.com):
> Hello,
> 
> Just a question,  I am running mailman on a redhat 6.1 box with sendmail.
> The distribution list which we post to has about 50,000 people on it and is
> getting killed with our weekly mailings. I have heard that FREEBSD with
> postfix is more efficient any suggestions?

Most of the performance hit there is because sendmail sucks.  You'll get 99%
of the performance increase by switching MTAs to postfix that you would by
switching MTAs and OSes.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"Help!!  Come see the violence inherent in the sysadmin!"
     - Cobb, User Friendly, by Illiad



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr  4 19:06:39 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:06:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD8A3894@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com>
References: <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD8A3894@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com>
Message-ID: <20000404130639.C31325@xcski.com>

Quoting Herman Knief (hknief at auctionwatch.com):
>> Just a question,  I am running mailman on a redhat 6.1 box with sendmail.
>> The distribution list which we post to has about 50,000 people on it and is
>> getting killed with our weekly mailings. I have heard that FREEBSD with
>> postfix is more efficient any suggestions?

> One problem that you may be running into is file descriptors.  If you're
> running a stock RedHat kernel, you run out of fd's at some ridiculously low
> number (I think 1024).  There are some published docs on increasing the

I think it's actually 4096 on 2.2 kernels.  However, I don't think this is a
problem with sendmail.  Sendmail essentially only opens one socket at a time
for each entry in the mailq.  Postfix makes simultaneous connections, which
may mean that you'll need to increase the maximum number of files with postfix
even if you don't for sendmail.


-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
God does not play dice with the Universe.    -- Albert Einstein.



From hknief at auctionwatch.com  Tue Apr  4 19:18:06 2000
From: hknief at auctionwatch.com (Herman Knief)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:18:06 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD8A3897@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com>

Well, I know for a fact (thanks to /var/log/messages) that I ran out of file
descriptors with Mailman and Sendmail using a stock kernel.  And from the
mods listed on the original message, you'll note the "FD_SETSIZE" value
which is coming straight out of 2.2 source.  Now, the FD limitation may have
been caused by python, generating the message queue, but, saying that
sendmail only opens one socket per entry in the queue is a bit misleading
don't you think.  Realize that sendmail may spawn n number of children
(defined in sendmail.cf.) in processing mail, and if each child takes some
number of entries in the queue, you could use quite a few file descriptors.
All I know is that the kernel mods fixed my initial problems, and then
switching to postfix dramatically improved performance from a load
perspective.

 - Herman

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Tomblin [mailto:ptomblin at xcski.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:07 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


Quoting Herman Knief (hknief at auctionwatch.com):
>> Just a question,  I am running mailman on a redhat 6.1 box with sendmail.
>> The distribution list which we post to has about 50,000 people on it and
is
>> getting killed with our weekly mailings. I have heard that FREEBSD with
>> postfix is more efficient any suggestions?

> One problem that you may be running into is file descriptors.  If you're
> running a stock RedHat kernel, you run out of fd's at some ridiculously
low
> number (I think 1024).  There are some published docs on increasing the

I think it's actually 4096 on 2.2 kernels.  However, I don't think this is a
problem with sendmail.  Sendmail essentially only opens one socket at a time
for each entry in the mailq.  Postfix makes simultaneous connections, which
may mean that you'll need to increase the maximum number of files with
postfix
even if you don't for sendmail.


-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
God does not play dice with the Universe.    -- Albert Einstein.

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From tal at research.bell-labs.com  Tue Apr  4 19:19:49 2000
From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:19:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent non-members from posting?
References: <200003310425.UAA16683@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> <20000331133012.A9956@mail.dskk.co.jp>
Message-ID: <38EA2435.BA45E273@research.bell-labs.com>

Jim Tittsler wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 08:25:08PM -0800, Dave Robbins wrote:
> > of implementing.  I've searched all the docs but still haven't found
> > if it's possible to prevent non-members of a list from posting.
> 
> Yes, see the "General posting filters" section of the "privacy" page of
> every list's administration pages.  Read the "Details" help carefully for
> those two entries because "Restrict posting privilege to list members?" and
> "Addresses of members accepted for posting..." interact in a way that may
> not be immediately obvious.

Could someone explain it to me?

First, let me explain that I'm moving from majordomo to mailman and I
*really* appreciate this software.  My compliments to the authors and
contributors!  The installation process was so smooth and the software runs
to well I can't tell you what a relief it is!

Now the problem:  I have 'Restrict posting privilege to list members?' set
to "yes" yet I constantly get messages sent for manual approval even when
the person is on the mailing list.

If there a process I should follow to diagnose this situation?

Thanks in advance,
--tal

P.S.  I'm runing mailman-1.1 on Red Hat Linux 6.1.



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr  4 19:33:02 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent non-members from posting?
In-Reply-To: <38EA2435.BA45E273@research.bell-labs.com>
References: <200003310425.UAA16683@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> <20000331133012.A9956@mail.dskk.co.jp> <38EA2435.BA45E273@research.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <20000404133302.A349@xcski.com>

Quoting Tom Limoncelli (tal at research.bell-labs.com):
> Now the problem:  I have 'Restrict posting privilege to list members?' set
> to "yes" yet I constantly get messages sent for manual approval even when
> the person is on the mailing list.
> 
> If there a process I should follow to diagnose this situation?

Look to see if they have a "Sender:" header.  Netscrape Mail, and probably
some other programs written by people with only a passing familiarity with
RFCs, inserts an invalid "Sender:" header a lot of the time.  Since this
Sender disagrees with the address of the person on the list, mailman puts the
message aside for manual approval.

It's a pain in the ass.  If the person *is* using Netscape under Unix or
Linux, tell them to exit Netscape, and put the following in
$HOME/.netscape/preferences.js 

user_pref("mail.suppress_sender_header", true);


-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation.



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Apr  4 19:46:16 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:46:16 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why is the BETA version the current version?
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F2A@email.cu-portland.edu>

I don't get it.  Shouldn't the latest version be a NON beta release?  With
an open sores software project, the latest and greatest code should always
be available to whoever wants to run code that may be unstable.  Beta
implies that it's not ready for general consumption, so why is it listed as
the latest version?
	Greg



From sweeney at projectcool.com  Mon Apr  3 21:12:11 2000
From: sweeney at projectcool.com (Michael Sweeney)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:12:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment handling query and/or feature request
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000403120550.00aded50@mailhost.projectcool.com>

A previous list server we've used had a capability of blocking attachments 
to list mail and I've searched in vain for a way to do that with mailman. 
Is it possible? If not, what would it take to add that as a feature in a 
future rev? Another feature I would like to see is the option of 
disallowing formatted mail, eg HTML or RTF since the lists I run have many 
members who don't use MIME enabled readers to get their mail.

Any strategies for handling those things?

Michael




From schampeo at hesketh.com  Tue Apr  4 21:16:31 2000
From: schampeo at hesketh.com (Steven Champeon)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:16:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment handling query and/or feature request
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000403120550.00aded50@mailhost.projectcool.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000404151223.27330D-100000@wasabi.hesketh.net>

On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Michael Sweeney wrote:
> A previous list server we've used had a capability of blocking attachments 
> to list mail and I've searched in vain for a way to do that with mailman. 
> Is it possible?

Yes.

> Any strategies for handling those things?

Set 'hold posts with header matching regexp' to something like this:

Content-type: multipart/alternative
Content-type: multipart/mixed
Content-type: text/html
Content-type: text/enriched
Content-type: text/x-vcard
Content-Disposition: attachment

You may have to tweak the regexps.

HTH,
Steve

-- 
tired of being an underappreciated functionary in a soulless machine?
hesketh.com is hiring: <http://hesketh.com/careers/>




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr  4 21:35:11 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:35:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment handling query and/or feature request
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000403120550.00aded50@mailhost.projectcool.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20000403120550.00aded50@mailhost.projectcool.com>
Message-ID: <20000404153511.A3835@xcski.com>

Quoting Michael Sweeney (sweeney at projectcool.com):
> A previous list server we've used had a capability of blocking attachments 
> to list mail and I've searched in vain for a way to do that with mailman. 
> Is it possible? If not, what would it take to add that as a feature in a 
> future rev? Another feature I would like to see is the option of 
> disallowing formatted mail, eg HTML or RTF since the lists I run have many 
> members who don't use MIME enabled readers to get their mail.
> 
> Any strategies for handling those things?

Run the email through procmail before it gets to mailman.

These instructions probably only work for the procmail that comes with RedHat
Linux, but I have a procmail file in /etc/procmailrcs that belongs to "nobody"
(because that's the userid mailman expects to get email from).  That procmail
file does a lot of spam detection and rejection, and then at the end, if the
mail passes all the other tests, it does:
    :0
    |/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN}

In my aliases file, for each mailing list, instead of invoking it with the
normal:
    lugor-announce: "|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post lugor-announce"
I instead do:
    lugor-announce: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=lugor-announce /etc/procmailrcs/mailman"

Doing all these sorts of rejections can be easy with procmail and formail, or
you can get quite complicated.  For instance, you could use the following rule
to block anything with embedded scripts and send a nasty message back (I
haven't tested this, but it's based on a ruleset it I use):

:0 BHh
* !^Subject: .*\(fwd\)
* !--.*forwarded message --
* !^forwarded message:
* !^-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
* -1000^0
*  -200^1   ^[:;#>]
*  -600^1    ^Subject:.*spam
*  -200^1    UCE
*  1100^1    script language="JavaScript">
*  1100^1    script language="LiveScript">
*  1100^1    ^function TripodShowPopup\(\)$
{

 :0 c:
 spamtemp

 :0 c: spamtemp.lock
 | (formail -rt -I"From: postmaster"; cat nasty_message; echo "----";\
      cat spamtemp; rm spamtemp) | sendmail -oi -t
}



-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"Cause geeks like us, baby we can hack the Sun" - Joe Thompson



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr  4 21:06:10 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:06:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jerry Thomas" <jerry@scoregroup.com> 
   of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:27:55 EDT." <NDBBLDMMDMNKIGBFBPOEAEICCEAA.jerry@scoregroup.com> 
References: <NDBBLDMMDMNKIGBFBPOEAEICCEAA.jerry@scoregroup.com> 
Message-ID: <21543.954875170@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:27:55 -0400 
Jerry Thomas <jerry at scoregroup.com> wrote:

> I am running mailman on a redhat 6.1 box with sendmail.  The
> distribution list which we post to has about 50,000 people on it
> and is getting killed with our weekly mailings. I have heard that
> FREEBSD with postfix is more efficient any suggestions?

In exactly what way is it "getting killed"?

General advice:

  -- Lose sendmail.  Postfix is an excellent choice to use instead,
as is Exim or Qmail.  I use Exim on my sytems (Postifx wasn't out
when I built them and I can't be bothered to change a working
system).  Were I to chose now I'd go with Postfix.  The simple
change of MTA (and its behaviours) could be all you're looking for.

Does it just take a long time to post messages to the list and
system load goes very high?

  -- See if it improves when you turn off archiving for that list.

  -- Make sure that SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is set high in Defaults.py (500
     is default).  Note: this will slow mail delivery by throttling
     your MTA's queue runners thru lock contention.

Mail takes a long time to leave your spool, and members have to wait 
a long time to get their mail?

  -- Lose sendmail.  Go with Postfix, Exim, or QMail.  The change in
queue handling algorithms among the MTAs can boost performance
significantly.  Also up the number of configured queue runners for
your MTA (for my systems that run large lists I usually use between
30 and 100 queue runners).  Watch your system load values to while
do this to get the balance you want.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr  4 21:22:45 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:22:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more header munging 
In-Reply-To: Message from Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> 
   of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:32:46 PDT." <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F28@email.cu-portland.edu> 
References: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F28@email.cu-portland.edu> 
Message-ID: <21874.954876165@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:32:46 -0700  
Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu> wrote:

> Hey there!  I've got a number of lists, and I'm sure that my setup
> is pretty common.  We've got, for this example, two lists
> list-announce, and list-discuss.  The announcements is a low
> traffic list for sending announcements, while the discuss list is
> designed to be a place to hold all discussions.  The announce list
> is moderated, and what I'd like to happen is to have the reply-to:
> header on the announce list set to the discuss list.  Can mailman
> do this?  

Mailman is not yet able to do this, tho it is an oft requested
feature (and should be added soon).  However, you can do it yourself 
with minimal effort via procmail.  

The following is untested and written off the top of my head.  Paths
are the defaults for Debian installations.

  1) change your alias file from:

       listname: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname"

     to:

       listname:      "|/usr/bin/procmail /var/lib/mailman/data/.procmailrc"

  2) Edit /var/lib/mailman/data/.procmailrc to read:

--<cut>--
#
# Add Reply-To header
#
:0 Whf
| formail -i "Reply-To: listname-discuss at domain"

#
# Post message
#
:0 w
| /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname
--<cut>--
    
  3) Done.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr  4 21:28:58 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:28:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Herman Knief <hknief@auctionwatch.com> 
   of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:34:11 PDT." <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD8A3894@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com> 
References: <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD8A3894@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com> 
Message-ID: <21935.954876538@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:34:11 -0700  
Herman Knief <hknief at auctionwatch.com> wrote:

> One problem that you may be running into is file descriptors.  If
> you're running a stock RedHat kernel, you run out of fd's at some
> ridiculously low number (I think 1024).  There are some published
> docs on increasing the number of file descriptors and and the
> default number of open files allowed per process, which is
> something that I have done on my systems. 

My experience is that the 1024 filehandle limit is not a problem,
and that the _system_wide_ limit (usually 4096) was my problem here
(I have SMTP_MAX_RCPTS set to 10 in Defaults.py and have some fairly
large lists resulting in large spool bombs and explosions of queue
runners).  For recent kernels (probably anything in the 2.2.*
series, I know this works for 2.2.10), do a:

  echo 8192 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max

as per Documentation/proc.txt in your kernel sources:

--<cut>--
file-nr and file-max
   The kernel allocates file handles dynamically, but as yet
   doesn't free them again.

   The value in file-max denotes the maximum number of file handles
   that the Linux kernel will allocate. When you get a lot of error
   messages about running out of file handles, you might want to raise
   this limit. The default value is 4096. To change it, just write the
   new number into the file:

   # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
   4096
   # echo 8192 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max
   # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
   8192

   This method of revision is useful for all customizable parameters
   of the kernel - simply echo the new value to the corresponding
   file.
  
   The three values in file-nr denote the number of allocated file
   handles, the number of used file handles, and the maximum number of
   file handles. When the allocated file handles come close to the
   maximum, but the number of actually used ones is far behind, you've
   encountered a peak in your usage of file handles and you don't need
   to increase the maximum.

   However, there is still a per process limit of open files, which
   unfortunatly can't be changed that easily. It is set to 1024 by
   default. To change this you have to edit the files limits.h and
   fs.h in the directory /usr/src/linux/include/linux. Change the
   definition of NR_OPEN and recompile the kernel.
--<cut>--

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From dkc at webtrafix.com  Tue Apr  4 21:51:02 2000
From: dkc at webtrafix.com (Dennis)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:51:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install on a Cobalt RaQx
Message-ID: <38EA47A6.30632157@webtrafix.com>

Has anyone been able to install MailMan on a Cobalt RaQ2 or RaQ3 server?

If so please let me know as we are having problems getting the scripts
to run through the cgi wrapper.

    -Dennis




From tal at research.bell-labs.com  Tue Apr  4 22:44:46 2000
From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:44:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling bounces
References: <4.2.0.58.20000403120550.00aded50@mailhost.projectcool.com> <20000404153511.A3835@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <38EA543E.381725A2@research.bell-labs.com>

Currently (mailman-1.1) bounces and notifications (like, "there is a post
that needs manual approval") both go to LISTNAME-admin.  Is there a way to
have them go to different addresses?

(The problem I'm trying to solve is that I want to see the notications, but
not the bounces.)

--tal



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Apr  5 01:28:07 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:28:07 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper error
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F30@email.cu-portland.edu>

Read ALL of the install document.  This problem is specifically listed, and
it tells you how to fix it.  
	Greg

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Sitton [mailto:waynes at iexalt.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2024 3:57 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper error
> 
> 
> setting up a mailman server.  I created a test list, when I 
> subscribe to it
> it sends the confermation request, but when I try to send the 
> reply, I get
> this
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (expanded from: <test-request at listserv.iexalt.net>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Apr  5 02:44:06 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:44:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper error
Message-ID: <200004050044.RAA18423@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> setting up a mailman server.  I created a test list, when I subscribe to it
> it sends the confermation request, but when I try to send the reply, I get
> this
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (expanded from: <test-request at listserv.iexalt.net>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable

Didn't read INSTALL, did you?

Look for 'wrapper not available' in INSTALL.




From eichblatt at fnal.gov  Wed Apr  5 03:44:21 2000
From: eichblatt at fnal.gov (Steve Eichblatt)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:44:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004042037250.1008-100000@lotus.phys.nwu.edu>

Hi all,

I am new to the list, and after checking the last few months of
question, i have reached the conclusion that i need to use MHonArc as my
archiver (because it handles MIME intelligently).

I saw a message from Christopher P. Lindsey describing a setting in the
mm_cfg.py file:

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  =
'(/afs/ncsa/packages/mhonarc/SunOS_5.4/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -afs -umask 023 -rcfile rc.%(listname)s -outdir /afs/ncsa/web/internal/htdocs/lists/%(listname)s)'


So i tried something for my linux system

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir /home/mailman/lists/%(listname)s)'

This did nothing. ie. the mail was properly delivered, but not archived in
html.

Has anyone succeeded in doing this?

Thanks,

Steve





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Apr  5 04:01:50 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
Message-ID: <200004050201.TAA21262@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

You also need to have "public archives" set in the Archival Options
screen; did you do that?

If that looks correct, replace "mhonarc" with a script that logs
its execution and calls mhonarc, so you can see if Mailman is
ever calling you.

> Hi all,
> 
> I am new to the list, and after checking the last few months of
> question, i have reached the conclusion that i need to use MHonArc as my
> archiver (because it handles MIME intelligently).
> 
> I saw a message from Christopher P. Lindsey describing a setting in the
> mm_cfg.py file:
> 
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  =
> '(/afs/ncsa/packages/mhonarc/SunOS_5.4/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -afs -umask 
023 -rcfile rc.%(listname)s -outdir 
/afs/ncsa/web/internal/htdocs/lists/%(listname)s)'
> 
> 
> So i tried something for my linux system
> 
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir 
/home/mailman/lists/%(listname)s)'
> 
> This did nothing. ie. the mail was properly delivered, but not archived in
> html.
> 
> Has anyone succeeded in doing this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Wed Apr  5 05:07:58 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:07:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc/glimpse/wilma tips and tools
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004042037250.1008-100000@lotus.phys.nwu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004042155040.27417-800000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

i've been successfully using mailman with mhonarc, glimpse and wilma for
searchable archives for some time now.  i've been meaning to send to the
list the details of how i did this and some useful tools but i've been
short on time lately.

i'll try to give a quick overview of what i do here, and maybe i can flesh
this out into a more useful howto as i see what kinds of questions/feedback
i get from others.  i've probably left out lots of little details here
so i'll try to answer any specific questions as time permits.

first of all, i create the directory structure:

~mailman/local/
~mailman/local/bin/
~mailman/local/bin/archive-update
~mailman/local/bin/wilma-list-mboxify
~mailman/local/bin/wilma-list-regen-html
~mailman/local/bin/wilma-list-setup
~mailman/local/bin/wilma-list-update
~mailman/local/src/
~mailman/local/glimpse/
~mailman/local/mhonarc/
~mailman/local/wilma/
~mailman/local/wilma/.glimpse_exclude
~mailman/local/wilma/.glimpse_filters
~mailman/local/wilma/wilma_template.cf
~mailman/local/wilma/wilma_template.rc

where i put all the local bits related to our mailman installation.
just a matter of personal taste, i know, but it makes it easy to find what
i'm looking for and to move to a different host.  all of the local
mailman tools i've written (for mhonarc, glimpse, wilma etc) rely somewhat
on this directory structure so you'll likely have to modify them for your
site unless you follow the same layout.

i've attached a bunch of scripts and config files which live under
~mailman/local on my system.

i'm tested all of this using the following environment:

Solaris 7
mailman-1.1
MHonArc-2.4.4
  http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html
glimpse-4.12.5
  http://glimpse.cs.arizona.edu/
wilma-1.4
  ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/wilma/

in addition, to use the mboxify script, you'll need the formail program
that is part of the procmail package.  i'm using formail from procmail-3.10
which is 1994 vintage.

i'm running all of this on two mailman installations, one of which is serving
about 100 quite active lists.  these installations both use different mailman
home directories - one is /usr/local/mailman, the other is /home/mailman -
so everything was written with transportability in mind.  the ~mailman/local
directory is identical on both sites.

please read all the scripts closely so you're aware of what they're doing
before you run them.

wilma-list-mboxify can be a little confusing.  it uses formail to split
an mbox file into individual messages and then it is called recursively
from formail to process each message.

if you're using wilma, diff my wilma_template.* against the originals so
that you're aware of the changes i've made.  pay particular attention to
wilma-list-setup and how it edits these wilma/glimpse template files based
on the list name and other per-list or per-site variables.

in mm_cfg.py you will eventually want something like this:

ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """
/home/mailman/local/bin/archive-update %(listname)s
"""
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """
/home/mailman/local/bin/archive-update %(listname)s
"""

while you are setting all this up and getting the mhonarc/glimpse/wilma
stuff working, i suggest you set:

ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1

so that mailman continues to generate mbox archives but does not call
your external mhonarc archiver.  you can always use the various scripts
i've provided here to manually generate the html archives from the mbox
files.

then when you're sure it's all working, set this to 2 to have the html
archives generated at delivery time.

hope this helps at least get some other people started using mhonarc
with mailman.

--
Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  L8S 4M1     \
-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# a wrapper script to be called from mailman during delivery
# as the EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER
#
# since mailman delivery runs as user daemon, group mailman
# we have to ensure here that the path and umask are set.
#
# we also have to make sure that everything in ~mailman/archives
# is group mailman writeable before this script is run.
# this required some changes to umask and modes in
# wilma_template.cf and wilma_reindex.
#
# Todd Pfaff
# pfaff at mcmaster.ca
# Feb 21 2000
#
list=$1
umask 002
HOME=`/bin/grep '^mailman' /etc/passwd | /bin/cut -d: -f6`
export HOME
PATH=/usr/ucb:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH
PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
PATH=$HOME/local/wilma:$PATH
PATH=$HOME/local/bin:$PATH
export PATH
# for debugging
logdir=$HOME/logs/`basename $0`
mkdir $logdir >/dev/null 2>&1
log=$logdir/$list
#log=/dev/null
echo archive-update start: `date` > $log 2>&1
wilma-list-update $list >> $log 2>&1
echo archive-update finish: `date` >> $log 2>&1
-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# split a mailman list mbox file into
# separate mbox.YYMM files suitable for
# the Wilma/Glimpse/MHonArc external archiver
#
# Todd Pfaff
# pfaff at mcmaster.ca
# Feb 14 2000

list=$1
if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
  echo usage: $0 [-r] listname
  exit 1
fi

opt_r=0
if [ "$list" = "-r" ]; then
  list=$2
  if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
    echo usage: $0 [-r] listname
    exit 1
  fi
  opt_r=1
fi

opt_x=0
if [ "$list" = "-x" ]; then
  list=$2
  if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
    echo usage: $0 -x listname
    exit 1
  fi
  opt_x=1
fi

top=$HOME/archives/private/$list.mbox

if [ "$opt_x" -ne 1 ]; then
  if [ "$opt_r" -eq 1 ]; then
    echo "removing old monthly mbox.YYMM files"
    /bin/rm -f $HOME/archives/private/$list.mbox/mbox.*
  fi
  echo "splitting $list.mbox into monthly mbox.YYMM files"
  mbox=$top/$list.mbox
  if /bin/test ! -e $mbox; then
    echo "$mbox does not exist"
    exit 1
  fi
  mkdir $top/.old >/dev/null 2>&1
  mbox2=$top/.old/$list.mbox-`date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S`-$$
  # beware! there is a small window of opportunity here
  # for mbox to become split in the middle of a delivery
  mv $mbox $mbox2
  gzip $mbox2
  gzcat $mbox2 | \
  formail -s $0 -x $list
  exit 0
fi

tmp=/tmp/`basename $0`-`date +'%Y%m%d'`-$$
cat > $tmp

# select the appropriate lines depending on the date format in the
# 'From ' fields in your mbox files

# From xxx at yyy.zzz Fri Jan  7 01:02:03 2000
year=`cat $tmp | formail -x 'From ' | awk '{print substr($6,3,2)}'`
month=`cat $tmp | formail -x 'From ' | awk '{print $3}'`

# From xxx at yyy.zzz Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:02:03 -0500 (EST)
#year=`cat $tmp | formail -x 'From ' | awk '{print substr($5,3,2)}'`
#month=`cat $tmp | formail -x 'From ' | awk '{print $4}'`

month=`echo $month | \
  awk 'BEGIN { \
  month["Jan"]="01";\
  month["Feb"]="02";\
  month["Mar"]="03";\
  month["Apr"]="04";\
  month["May"]="05";\
  month["Jun"]="06";\
  month["Jul"]="07";\
  month["Aug"]="08";\
  month["Sep"]="09";\
  month["Oct"]="10";\
  month["Nov"]="11";\
  month["Dec"]="12";\
  } \
  {print month[$1]}'`
mbox=$top/mbox.$year$month
echo $mbox
touch $mbox
cat $tmp >> $mbox
/bin/rm -f $tmp

-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# Todd Pfaff
# pfaff at mcmaster.ca
# Feb 14 2000
#

list=$1
if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
  echo usage: $0 [-r] listname
  exit 1
fi

opt_r=""
if [ "$list" = "-r" ]; then
  list=$2
  if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
    echo usage: $0 [-r] listname
    exit 1
  fi
  opt_r="-r"
fi

wilma-list-setup $opt_r $list
wilma_reindex $list

-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# prepare a list for wilma
# Todd Pfaff
# Feb 2000
# 

list=$1
if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
  echo usage: $0 [-r] listname
  exit 1
fi

opt_r=0
if [ "$list" = "-r" ]; then
  list=$2
  if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
    echo usage: $0 [-r] listname
    exit 1
  fi
  opt_r=1
fi

top=$HOME/archives/private/$list
mkdir $top >/dev/null 2>&1

arc_dir=$HOME/archives/private/$list
index_arc_dir=`cd $arc_dir; pwd`
arc_url=/mailman/private/$list
# set wilma list public if mailman archives/public/listname link exists
#[ -h $HOME/archives/public/$list ] && arc_url=/mailman/public/$list

if [ "$opt_r" -eq 1 ]; then
  # clean up existing archives
  # these will all be recreated by wilma_reindex
  echo removing old wilma index and archive files
  /bin/rm -rf $top/index $top/9* $top/0* $top/mbox.*
fi

cd $HOME/local/wilma

mkdir $top/index >/dev/null 2>&1

cp -p .glimpse_exclude $top/index/.glimpse_exclude

cat .glimpse_filters | \
sed -e "1,\$s,_HOME_,$HOME,g" \
> $top/index/.glimpse_filters

/bin/rm -f $top/index.html
cat redirect_index.html | \
sed -e "1,\$s,_LIST_,$list,g" \
> $top/index.html

list_real_name=`config_list -o - $list | grep '^real_name =' | awk '{print $3}' | sed "s/'//g"`

/bin/rm -f .wilma/$list.cf
cat wilma_template.cf | \
sed -e "1,\$s,_LIST_,$list,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_LIST-REAL-NAME_,$list_real_name,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_INDEX-ARC-DIR_,$index_arc_dir,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_ARC-DIR_,$arc_dir,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_ARC-URL_,$arc_url,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_HOME_,$HOME,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_HOST_,edge.cis.mcmaster.ca,g" \
> .wilma/$list.cf

/bin/rm -f .wilma/$list.rc
cat wilma_template.rc | \
sed -e "1,\$s,_LIST_,$list,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_LIST-REAL-NAME_,$list_real_name,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_INDEX-ARC-DIR_,$index_arc_dir,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_ARC-DIR_,$arc_dir,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_ARC-URL_,$arc_url,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_HOME_,$HOME,g" \
    -e "1,\$s,_HOST_,edge.cis.mcmaster.ca,g" \
> .wilma/$list.rc

-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# Todd Pfaff
# pfaff at mcmaster.ca
# Feb 14 2000
#

list=$1
if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
  echo usage: $0 [-r] listname
  exit 1
fi

opt_r=""
if [ "$list" = "-r" ]; then
  list=$2
  if [ "$list" = "" ]; then
    echo usage: $0 [-r] listname
    exit 1
  fi
  opt_r="-r"
fi

wilma-list-mboxify $opt_r $list
wilma-list-regen-html $opt_r $list

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# Web Interface to List Mail Archives configuration file
#
# $Revision: 1.7 $

# [ wilma ]
# Convenience definition of the list name for expansion in other
# definitions. Wilma knows the list name by the name of this
# configuration file.

LIST = _LIST_

# [ wilma ]
# The title text for the list

TITLE = _LIST-REAL-NAME_

# [ wilma wilma_reindex wilma_hiliter ]
# Pathname of the HTML archive directory (not including the archive
# directory itself).

ARC_DIR = _ARC-DIR_

# [ wilma ]
# URL path of the HTML archive directories if different than the file
# system path above. Leave blank if the same.

ARC_URL = _ARC-URL_

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# Pathname of the raw mail list archive directory if different than the
# HTML archive. Leave blank if the same.

ARC_MBOX = _HOME_/archives/private/$LIST.mbox

# [ wilma wilma_reindex ]
# A Perl regular expression returning the year and month numbers
# in $1 and $2, respectively, from the HTML archive directory
# name. Backslashes must be doubled due to configuration variable
# interpolation.

ARC_REGEX  = ^(?:.*/)?((?:19|20)?\\d\\d)(\\d\\d)(\.gz)?$

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# A Perl regular expression returning the year and month numbers in
# $1 and $2, respectively, from the mailbox archive name if different
# than ARC_REGEX. Leave blank if the same. HTML archive directories
# and archive mailbox links are differientated by those file system
# attributes. Backslashes must be doubled due to configuration variable
# interpolation.

MBOX_REGEX = mbox.(\\d\\d)(\\d\\d)(\.gz)?$

# [ wilma wilma_glimpse wilma_hiliter ]
# The e-mail address of the person responsible for the HTML archive or
# mail list.

MAIL_ADDR = $LIST-owner

# [ wilma wilma_glimpse wilma_hiliter ]
# The full name of the person responsible for the HTML archive or mail
# list.

MAIL_NAME = $LIST-owner

# [ wilma ]
# URL of the glimpse help page

GLIMPSE_HELP = http://glimpse.cs.arizona.edu/glimpsehelp.html#sect7

# [ wilma ]
# URL of index page background image. Takes precedence over
# INDEX_BG_COLOR.

#INDEX_BACKGROUND =

# [ wilma ]
# Color name or mask for index page if INDEX_BACKGROUND not defined.

INDEX_BG_COLOR = white

# [ wilma_glimpse ]
# Path to glimpse, which searches the archive indices.

GLIMPSE = _HOME_/local/glimpse/bin/glimpse

# [ wilma_glimpse ]
# Pathname of the archive index directory.

INDEX_DIR = $ARC_DIR/index

# [ wilma_glimpse ]
# Pathname of the archive directory that glimpse sees when it does
# getcwd(3) if different than $ARC_DIR. It can be different due to NFS
# automounts and symbolic links.

INDEX_ARC_DIR = _INDEX-ARC-DIR_

# [ wilma_glimpse ]
# URL of search page background image. Takes precedence over
# SEARCH_BG_COLOR.

#SEARCH_BACKGROUND =

# [ wilma_glimpse ]
# Color name or mask for search page if SEARCH_BACKGROUND not defined.

SEARCH_BG_COLOR = white

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# Octal umask setting while generating HTML archives and indices.
# Defaults to 022 if not set.

UMASK = 002

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# Octal mode setting for index files. Defaults to 0644 if not set.

INDEX_MODE = 0664

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# Pathname of the file signaling that reindexing is in progress.

FLAG_FILE = $ARC_DIR/reindex.lock

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# Path to glimpseindex, which rebuilds the search index for the
# archives.

GLIMPSEINDEX = _HOME_/local/glimpse/bin/glimpseindex

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# Table allocation for glimpseindex (the -M option) in megabytes.
# Defaults to 50 Mb if not set (same as previous versions). If you don't
# have that much memory/swap space, you'll need to specify something
# less.

#GLIMPSE_TABLE = 50

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# Path to mhonarc, which reformats archived mail in HTML.

MHONARC = _HOME_/local/mhonarc/bin/mhonarc

# [ wilma_reindex ]
# Name of the MHonArc rc file.

MHONARC_RCFILE = $LIST.rc
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<!-- MHonArc rcfile template for Wilma $Revision: 1.4 $ -->

<!-- GZIPFILES>
<GZIPEXE>
/usr/local/bin/gzip
</GZIPEXE>

<NODOC>

<SORT>

<MSGSEP>
^From .*  \w{3} \w{3} [ \d]\d
</MSGSEP>

<TLEVELS>
5
</TLEVELS>

<DEFINEVAR CHOP>
TOPFNAME
/mailman/wilma/_LIST_
</DEFINEVAR>

<MULTIPG>
<IDXSIZE>
500
</IDXSIZE>

<IDXFNAME>
index.html
</IDXFNAME>

<TITLE>
Chronological Index
</TITLE>

<IDXPGBEGIN>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>$IDXTITLE$ ($OUTDIR$)</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="white">
<h1>$IDXTITLE$ ($OUTDIR$)</h1>
</IDXPGBEGIN>

<LISTBEGIN>
$PGLINK(PREV)$ $PGLINK(NEXT)$<br>
<a href="$TIDXFNAME$">[Thread Index]</a>
<a href="$TOPFNAME$">[Archive Top]</a>
<br>
<a href="http://_HOST_/mailman/listinfo/_LIST_/">_LIST-REAL-NAME_ Mailman info page</a>
<hr>
<address>
Last update: $LOCALDATE$<br>
$NUMOFMSG$ messages in chronological order<br>
</address>
<p>
<table>
<tr><th><strong>Subject</strong><hr>
    <th><em>From</em><hr>
    <th>Date<br><hr>
</LISTBEGIN>

<LITEMPLATE>
<tr>
<td>$SUBJECT$
<td><em>$FROMNAME:22$</em>
<td>$MSGLOCALDATE(CUR;%b %d %Y %H:%M)$<br>
</LITEMPLATE>

<LISTEND>
</table>
<p>
<hr>
$PGLINK(PREV)$ $PGLINK(NEXT)$<br>
<a href="$TIDXFNAME$">[Thread Index]</a>
<a href="$TOPFNAME$">[Archive Top]</a>
<br>
<a href="http://_HOST_/mailman/listinfo/_LIST_/">_LIST-REAL-NAME_ Mailman info page</a>
<p>
</LISTEND>

<TTITLE>
Thread Index
</TTITLE>

<TIDXPGBEGIN>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>$TIDXTITLE$ ($OUTDIR$)</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="white">
<h1>$TIDXTITLE$ ($OUTDIR$)</h1>
</TIDXPGBEGIN>

<THEAD>
$PGLINK(TPREV)$ $PGLINK(TNEXT)$<br>
<a href="$IDXFNAME$">[Chronological Index]</a>
<a href="$TOPFNAME$">[Archive Top]</a>
<br>
<a href="http://_HOST_/mailman/listinfo/_LIST_/">_LIST-REAL-NAME_ Mailman info page</a>
<hr>
<address>
Last update: $LOCALDATE$<br>
$NUMOFMSG$ threaded messages<br>
</address>
<p>
</THEAD>

<TFOOT>
<p>
<hr>
$PGLINK(TPREV)$ $PGLINK(TNEXT)$<br>
<a href="$IDXFNAME$">[Chronological Index]</a>
<a href="$TOPFNAME$">[Archive Top]</a>
<br>
<a href="http://_HOST_/mailman/listinfo/_LIST_/">_LIST-REAL-NAME_ Mailman info page</a>
<p>
</TFOOT>

<MSGPGBEGIN>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>$SUBJECTNA:72$</title>
<link rev="made" href="mailto:$FROMADDR$">
</head>
<body bgcolor="white">
</MSGPGBEGIN>

<TOPLINKS>
<hr>
$PREVBUTTON$$NEXTBUTTON$
<a href="$IDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">[Chronological]</a>
<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">[Thread]</a>
<a href="$TOPFNAME$">[Archive Top]</a>
</TOPLINKS>

<BOTLINKS>
<ul>
$PREVLINK$
$NEXTLINK$
<li>Index(es):
<ul>
<li><a href="$IDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$"><strong>Chronological</Strong></a></li>
<li><a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$"><strong>Thread</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<br>
<a href="mailto:_LIST_ at _HOST_">Reply to: _LIST_ at _HOST_</a>
<br>
<a href="http://_HOST_/mailman/listinfo/_LIST_/">_LIST-REAL-NAME_ Mailman info page</a>
</BOTLINKS>


<EXCS override>
apparently
comments
content-length
content-transfer-encoding
content-type
errors-to 
followup
forward 
lines 
message-id
mime- 
nntp- 
originator 
path 
precedence 
priority
received 
replied 
reply-to
return-path 
sender
status 
via 
x- 
</EXCS>

<LABELSTYLES>
-default-
subject:strong
from:strong
to:strong
</LABELSTYLES>

<FIELDSTYLES>
-default-
subject:strong
from:strong
to:strong
keywords:em
newsgroups:strong
</FIELDSTYLES>

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From claw at cp.net  Wed Apr  5 05:41:05 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:41:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc/glimpse/wilma tips and tools 
In-Reply-To: Message from Todd Pfaff <pfaff@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
   of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:07:58 EDT." <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004042155040.27417-800000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004042155040.27417-800000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
Message-ID: <E12cggj-0003jh-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:07:58 -0400 (EDT) 
Todd Pfaff <pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> wrote:

> i've been successfully using mailman with mhonarc, glimpse and
> wilma for searchable archives for some time now.  

Have you run into the problem of Glimpse breaking (rather badly)
once you catalog more than (roughly) 11.000 documents?  I hit that
hard and finally abandoned Glimpse in favour of UdmSearch

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Wed Apr  5 05:53:01 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc/glimpse/wilma tips and tools
In-Reply-To: <E12cggj-0003jh-00@under.eng.cp.net>; from J C Lawrence on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 08:41:05PM -0700
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004042155040.27417-800000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> <pfaff@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> <E12cggj-0003jh-00@under.eng.cp.net>
Message-ID: <20000404225301.B25967@mallorn.com>

> > i've been successfully using mailman with mhonarc, glimpse and
> > wilma for searchable archives for some time now.  
> 
> Have you run into the problem of Glimpse breaking (rather badly)
> once you catalog more than (roughly) 11.000 documents?  I hit that
> hard and finally abandoned Glimpse in favour of UdmSearch

I've been using it since early '97 without any problems.  Every night
I do an incremental index, with the current total at about 550 megs
and 323,143 MHonArc pages.

I'm using glimpse 4.11, but not Wilma.

Chris



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  5 07:40:00 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:40:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling bounces 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tom Limoncelli <tal@research.bell-labs.com> 
   of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:44:46 EDT." <38EA543E.381725A2@research.bell-labs.com> 
References: <4.2.0.58.20000403120550.00aded50@mailhost.projectcool.com> <20000404153511.A3835@xcski.com>  <38EA543E.381725A2@research.bell-labs.com> 
Message-ID: <5651.954913200@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:44:46 -0400 
Tom Limoncelli <tal at research.bell-labs.com> wrote:

> Currently (mailman-1.1) bounces and notifications (like, "there is
> a post that needs manual approval") both go to LISTNAME-admin.  Is
> there a way to have them go to different addresses?

> (The problem I'm trying to solve is that I want to see the
> notications, but not the bounces.)

I use procmail filters to distinguish betwen them and shove the
bounces into an Errors folder and the rest in my InBox.  I'm not at
the appropriate machine right now to copy the recipies
unfortuantely, but its not difficult to do yourself.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Wed Apr  5 09:28:16 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:28:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit approval
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004041240460.13018-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 12:46:27PM -0400
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004041240460.13018-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <20000405162816.A31011@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 12:46:27PM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> Is the address list on the implicit approval a regex or explicit addresses
> only.

Through 2.0beta1 they are explicit addresses (or almost explicit, since if
you have set SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH it will accept user at host.domain for any
user at domain).

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  5 09:47:31 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:47:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc/glimpse/wilma tips and tools 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher P. Lindsey" <lindsey@mallorn.com> 
   of "Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:53:01 CDT." <20000404225301.B25967@mallorn.com> 
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004042155040.27417-800000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> <pfaff@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> <E12cggj-0003jh-00@under.eng.cp.net>  <20000404225301.B25967@mallorn.com> 
Message-ID: <16503.954920851@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:53:01 -0500 
Christopher P Lindsey <lindsey at mallorn.com> wrote:

>> > i've been successfully using mailman with mhonarc, glimpse and
>> > wilma for searchable archives for some time now.
>> 
>> Have you run into the problem of Glimpse breaking (rather badly)
>> once you catalog more than (roughly) 11.000 documents?  I hit
>> that hard and finally abandoned Glimpse in favour of UdmSearch
...
> I'm using glimpse 4.11, but not Wilma.

Glimpse started erraticly coring and producing corrupted indexes for 
me somewhere after 11K documents in a single index.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Wed Apr  5 09:56:12 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:56:12 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Defaults?
Message-ID: <20000405165612.B31011@mail.dskk.co.jp>

>Is there a way to set defaults for all new lists?  I want to have it (I
>know, you guys don't advise it) default to send replies to the list, and not
>to the poster.  Thanks,

The Mailman/Defaults.py file sets the defaults.  You can edit your
Mailman/mm_cfg.py file to modify those in ways that are specific to
your site.  (Check Mailman/Defaults.py for information about the various
settings and their meanings.)

For example, since you want replies directed to the list by default, you
could add:
DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 1
to the end of your Mailman/mm_cfg.py file.

Jim

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Wed Apr  5 10:14:02 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:14:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper error
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALOEMKCAAA.waynes@iexalt.net>; from waynes@iexalt.net on Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 05:56:59PM -0600
References: <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALOEMKCAAA.waynes@iexalt.net>
Message-ID: <20000405101402.C13807@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 05:56:59PM -0600, Wayne Sitton wrote:
> setting up a mailman server.  I created a test list, when I subscribe to it
> it sends the confermation request, but when I try to send the reply, I get
> this

Read the INSTALL document. Your error is specifically listed.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
We can't prove that God exists. However, we can prove that if God does
exist, he's pretty good at math. In fact, we can prove that even if
God doesn't exist, he's still pretty good at math.




From pioppo at ferrara.linux.it  Wed Apr  5 00:58:20 2000
From: pioppo at ferrara.linux.it (Pioppo)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:58:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] blank messages from -request
Message-ID: <00040501010704.00436@abulafia.ferrara.linux.it>

Hi

I have MailMan 1.1
If you send a blank message to the -request address, you get a blank answer.
Don't you think this is a bad behaviour?
I think answering with an help message would be best.

-- 
    Simone Piunno,  http://pioppo.cjb.net,  simone at piunno.com
     Ferrara Linux Users Group  -->  http://ferrara.linux.it
      ICQ UIN: 6914669 pioppo at IRCnet on #ferrara, #linux-it 
GnuPG/PGP5 fp: 9C15 F0D3 E309 3593 AC95  2C92 A0CD 52B4 8603 14FC



From peris at inf.uji.es  Wed Apr  5 12:45:06 2000
From: peris at inf.uji.es (Guillermo Peris Ripolles)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:45:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
Message-ID: <38EB1932.BEF8E9D0@inf.uji.es>

>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am new to the list, and after checking the last few months of
>> question, i have reached the conclusion that i need to use MHonArc as my
>> archiver (because it handles MIME intelligently).
>> 
>> I saw a message from Christopher P. Lindsey describing a setting in the
>> mm_cfg.py file:
>> 
>> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  =
>> '(/afs/ncsa/packages/mhonarc/SunOS_5.4/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -afs -umask 
> 023 -rcfile rc.%(listname)s -outdir 
> /afs/ncsa/web/internal/htdocs/lists/%(listname)s)'
>> 
>> 
>> So i tried something for my linux system
>> 
>> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir 
>> /home/mailman/lists/%(listname)s)'
>> 
>> This did nothing. ie. the mail was properly delivered, but not archived in
>> html.
>> 
>> Has anyone succeeded in doing this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
> > 
> > Steve
> > 

I have EXACTLY the same problem. I have found no solution in the
maillist
archives.

> You also need to have "public archives" set in the Archival Options
> screen; did you do that?

Sure I did.

> 
> If that looks correct, replace "mhonarc" with a script that logs
> its execution and calls mhonarc, so you can see if Mailman is
> ever calling you.

Well, that's the only thing I have not tried. Anyway, I still wait
for an explanation/solution of my (our) problem. 

Thank you,	Guillermo

-- 
Guillermo Peris Ripolles.     
Unitat Pre-Dpt. d'Informatica  
Area de Llenguatges i Sistemes 
Universitat Jaume I           
Tfno: (964) 72 83 30         
e-mail: peris at inf.uji.es     
Web: http://www3.uji.es/~peris  (Nueva peich)



From menger at dhs.org  Sat Apr  1 14:56:37 2000
From: menger at dhs.org (Matthew Enger)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:56:37 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0beta1 problem
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004012055200.4197-100000@gate.kgv.edu.hk>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hello,
	Does anyone know what could be causing this:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta1Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta1
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this 
page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 67, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 71, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 860, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1300, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 209, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted






Environment variables:
      VariableValue
      DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/httpd/htdocs 
      SERVER_ADDR 206.16.77.15 
      HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate 
      SERVER_PORT 80 
      PATH_TRANSLATED /home/httpd/htdocs/exec 
      REMOTE_ADDR 152.101.128.225 
      UNIQUE_ID OOs1Vs4QTQ8AAG5zTPo 
      HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us 
      GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 
      SERVER_NAME box.enger.org 
      HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive 
      HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) 
      HTTP_ACCEPT */* 
      REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/exec 
      PATH /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin 
      QUERY_STRING 
      SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin 
      PATH_INFO /exec 
      HTTP_HOST www.dhsnames.com 
      REQUEST_METHOD GET 
      SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.12 Server at box.enger.org Port 80
      SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin 
      SERVER_ADMIN root at box.enger.org 
      SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 mod_perl/1.22 
      mod_ssl/2.6.2 OpenSSL/0.9.5 
      PYTHONPATH /home/mailman 
      HTTP_REFERER http://www.dhsnames.com/mailman/admin 
      SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 
      REMOTE_PORT 1162 


The machine is running Mandrake Linux 7.0 with the python packages
installed as well as qmail.

Thr url  I am trying to access is http://www.dhsnames.com/mailman/exec.


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From patrick.putteman at net7.be  Wed Apr  5 14:55:41 2000
From: patrick.putteman at net7.be (Patrick Putteman)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:55:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0beta1 problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004012055200.4197-100000@gate.kgv.edu.hk>
Message-ID: <003e01bf9efe$406054c0$519c79c1@net7>

Same problem here on the same Mandrake Distro. Tried it on Mandrake 6.1 with
the same result

Mailman 1.1 works like a charm though on an identical machine.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Matthew Enger
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 2:57 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0beta1 problem


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hello,
	Does anyone know what could be causing this:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta1Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta1
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this
page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened.
Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 67, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 71, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 860, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1300, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 209, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted






Environment variables:
      VariableValue
      DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/httpd/htdocs
      SERVER_ADDR 206.16.77.15
      HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate
      SERVER_PORT 80
      PATH_TRANSLATED /home/httpd/htdocs/exec
      REMOTE_ADDR 152.101.128.225
      UNIQUE_ID OOs1Vs4QTQ8AAG5zTPo
      HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us
      GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
      SERVER_NAME box.enger.org
      HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive
      HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
      HTTP_ACCEPT */*
      REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/exec
      PATH /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
      QUERY_STRING
      SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
      PATH_INFO /exec
      HTTP_HOST www.dhsnames.com
      REQUEST_METHOD GET
      SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.12 Server at box.enger.org Port 80
      SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin
      SERVER_ADMIN root at box.enger.org
      SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 mod_perl/1.22
      mod_ssl/2.6.2 OpenSSL/0.9.5
      PYTHONPATH /home/mailman
      HTTP_REFERER http://www.dhsnames.com/mailman/admin
      SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
      REMOTE_PORT 1162


The machine is running Mandrake Linux 7.0 with the python packages
installed as well as qmail.

Thr url  I am trying to access is http://www.dhsnames.com/mailman/exec.


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From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Wed Apr  5 15:52:29 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit approval
In-Reply-To: <20000405162816.A31011@mail.dskk.co.jp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004050951080.16504-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

> Through 2.0beta1 they are explicit addresses (or almost explicit, since if
> you have set SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH it will accept user at host.domain for any
> user at domain).

ok in that case what level of regex's are allowed in the hold these regex
of headers for approval.

I'd like to be able to invert a list of domains in the From: field. so if
someone mails from a place which is NOT one of these domains then it hold
the message for approval.

Is that possible?

-sv





From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Wed Apr  5 16:21:26 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc/glimpse/wilma tips and tools 
In-Reply-To: <E12cggj-0003jh-00@under.eng.cp.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004051018290.935-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, J C Lawrence wrote:

> Have you run into the problem of Glimpse breaking (rather badly)
> once you catalog more than (roughly) 11.000 documents?  I hit that
> hard and finally abandoned Glimpse in favour of UdmSearch

not yet.  my largest list currently has about 7500 archived messages.

thanks for the 'heads up'.  i'll have a look at udmsearch.

do you use wilma, or is udmsearch similar to the wilma/glimpse
combination?

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From tal at research.bell-labs.com  Wed Apr  5 16:43:37 2000
From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:43:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling bounces
References: <4.2.0.58.20000403120550.00aded50@mailhost.projectcool.com> <20000404153511.A3835@xcski.com>  <38EA543E.381725A2@research.bell-labs.com> <5651.954913200@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <38EB5119.B7786077@research.bell-labs.com>


J C Lawrence wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:44:46 -0400
> Tom Limoncelli <tal at research.bell-labs.com> wrote:
> 
> > Currently (mailman-1.1) bounces and notifications (like, "there is
> > a post that needs manual approval") both go to LISTNAME-admin.  Is
> > there a way to have them go to different addresses?
> 
> > (The problem I'm trying to solve is that I want to see the
> > notications, but not the bounces.)
> 
> I use procmail filters to distinguish betwen them and shove the
> bounces into an Errors folder and the rest in my InBox.  I'm not at
> the appropriate machine right now to copy the recipies
> unfortuantely, but its not difficult to do yourself.

Yes, I use procmail but I'm about to give my mailing lists to someone that
doesn't (and can't) and I need a better solution for them.

Thanks,
--tal



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  5 17:38:05 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:38:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc/glimpse/wilma tips and tools 
In-Reply-To: Message from Todd Pfaff <pfaff@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
   of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:21:26 EDT." <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004051018290.935-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004051018290.935-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> 
Message-ID: <28314.954949085@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT) 
Todd Pfaff <pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca> wrote:

> do you use wilma, or is udmsearch similar to the wilma/glimpse
> combination?

I don't use Wilma -- I go straight to MHonArc.  UdmSearch is just an
SQL based search engine.

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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
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From lindsey at mallorn.com  Wed Apr  5 19:22:24 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
In-Reply-To: <38EB1932.BEF8E9D0@inf.uji.es>; from Guillermo Peris Ripolles on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 12:45:06PM +0200
References: <38EB1932.BEF8E9D0@inf.uji.es>
Message-ID: <20000405122224.A32162@mallorn.com>

> >> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir 
> >> /home/mailman/lists/%(listname)s)'
> >> 
> >> This did nothing. ie. the mail was properly delivered, but not archived in
> >> html.
> >> 
> > If that looks correct, replace "mhonarc" with a script that logs
> > its execution and calls mhonarc, so you can see if Mailman is
> > ever calling you.
> 
> Well, that's the only thing I have not tried. Anyway, I still wait
> for an explanation/solution of my (our) problem. 

It could be any number of things...  

Why not replace the line above with something like

   PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s'

?  That should create a file in /tmp containing the contents of the 
message.  Or better yet:

   PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /home/mailman/lists/archive.%(listname)s'

to make sure that you have write permission.

You also need to be running a newer version of Mailman (1.1 or greater).

Chris



From peris at inf.uji.es  Wed Apr  5 19:39:28 2000
From: peris at inf.uji.es (Guillermo Peris Ripolles)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:39:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
References: <38EB1932.BEF8E9D0@inf.uji.es> <20000405122224.A32162@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <38EB7A50.3F49E045@inf.uji.es>

"Christopher P. Lindsey" wrote:
> 
> > >> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir
> > >> /home/mailman/lists/%(listname)s)'
> > >>
> > >> This did nothing. ie. the mail was properly delivered, but not archived in
> > >> html.
> > >>
> > > If that looks correct, replace "mhonarc" with a script that logs
> > > its execution and calls mhonarc, so you can see if Mailman is
> > > ever calling you.
> >
> > Well, that's the only thing I have not tried. Anyway, I still wait
> > for an explanation/solution of my (our) problem.
> 
> It could be any number of things...
> 
> Why not replace the line above with something like
> 
>    PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s'
> 
> ?  That should create a file in /tmp containing the contents of the
> message.  Or better yet:
> 
>    PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /home/mailman/lists/archive.%(listname)s'
> 
> to make sure that you have write permission.
> 
> You also need to be running a newer version of Mailman (1.1 or greater).
> 
> Chris

I have tried this:

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
/home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
/home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'

and NOTHING has been written, even in /tmp !!

I am using Mailman 2.0 beta.

Any other idea is welcome.

Thanks,	me

-- 
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Area de Llenguatges i Sistemes 
Universitat Jaume I           
Tfno: (964) 72 83 30         
e-mail: peris at inf.uji.es     
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From lindsey at mallorn.com  Wed Apr  5 19:54:04 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
In-Reply-To: <38EB7A50.3F49E045@inf.uji.es>; from Guillermo Peris Ripolles on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 07:39:28PM +0200
References: <38EB1932.BEF8E9D0@inf.uji.es> <20000405122224.A32162@mallorn.com> <38EB7A50.3F49E045@inf.uji.es>
Message-ID: <20000405125404.B32162@mallorn.com>

> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
> /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
> /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> 
> and NOTHING has been written, even in /tmp !!

Do you need to supply a pathname to cat?  Incidentally, the above won't
work as you expect, but using tee would fix it:

   PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/tee /tmp/archive.%(listname)s > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'

I'm not sure where 'tee' resides on your system, though.  I also haven't
tried this on the 2.0 release candidates; we're using 1.2 beta1 from
the older CVS tree.

Chris



From eichblatt at fnal.gov  Wed Apr  5 20:33:29 2000
From: eichblatt at fnal.gov (Steve Eichblatt)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:33:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
In-Reply-To: <20000405125404.B32162@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004051327130.5465-100000@lotus.phys.nwu.edu>

Well, I tried this. Nothing. 

I also tried setting it to 

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/bin/cat /etc/hosts >! /home/mailman/archives/private/testlist/archive.testlist'

This command, when called alone, works (ie copies /etc/hosts to
archive.testlist). 

So where/when is PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER supposed to be called?

Steve

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:

> > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
> > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
> > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> > 
> > and NOTHING has been written, even in /tmp !!
> 
> Do you need to supply a pathname to cat?  Incidentally, the above won't
> work as you expect, but using tee would fix it:
> 
>    PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/tee /tmp/archive.%(listname)s > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> 
> I'm not sure where 'tee' resides on your system, though.  I also haven't
> tried this on the 2.0 release candidates; we're using 1.2 beta1 from
> the older CVS tree.
> 
> Chris
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Thu Apr  6 00:34:07 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:34:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004051327130.5465-100000@lotus.phys.nwu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004051819380.935-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

try something like this:

- create /tmp/test-archiver as

#!/bin/sh
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin
export PATH
touch /tmp/test-archiver.log
id >> /tmp/test-archiver.log
echo $1 >> /tmp/test-archiver.log
exit 0

- make this executable by everyone

chmod 755 /tmp/test-archiver

- set these in mm_cfg.py (exactly as shown, on separate lines, with the
three double quote marks)

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """
/tmp/test-archiver %(listname)s
"""

PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """
/tmp/test-archiver %(listname)s
"""


On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Steve Eichblatt wrote:

> Well, I tried this. Nothing. 
> 
> I also tried setting it to 
> 
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/bin/cat /etc/hosts >! /home/mailman/archives/private/testlist/archive.testlist'
> 
> This command, when called alone, works (ie copies /etc/hosts to
> archive.testlist). 
> 
> So where/when is PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER supposed to be called?
> 
> Steve
> 
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:
> 
> > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
> > > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> > > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
> > > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> > > 
> > > and NOTHING has been written, even in /tmp !!
> > 
> > Do you need to supply a pathname to cat?  Incidentally, the above won't
> > work as you expect, but using tee would fix it:
> > 
> >    PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/tee /tmp/archive.%(listname)s > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> > 
> > I'm not sure where 'tee' resides on your system, though.  I also haven't
> > tried this on the 2.0 release candidates; we're using 1.2 beta1 from
> > the older CVS tree.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From eichblatt at fnal.gov  Thu Apr  6 01:26:37 2000
From: eichblatt at fnal.gov (Steve Eichblatt)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:26:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004051819380.935-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004051820540.5465-100000@lotus.phys.nwu.edu>

Thanks, Todd for your explicit instructions.

That works. The file /tmp/test-archiver is created and written to with 

0% more /tmp/test-archiver.log

uid=8(mail) gid=500(mailman) groups=12(mail)
Testlist

0%
 
One surprise is that "Testlist" is capitalized, while my list (and all
my paths) is called "testlist".

So, am i right to guess that i should replace the program test-archiver
with a script that calls mhonarc?

I am just learning all this business. Is there a "block diagram" somewhere
that shows the flow of the program?

Thanks again,

Steve

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Todd Pfaff wrote:

> try something like this:
> 
> - create /tmp/test-archiver as
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> PATH=/bin:/usr/bin
> export PATH
> touch /tmp/test-archiver.log
> id >> /tmp/test-archiver.log
> echo $1 >> /tmp/test-archiver.log
> exit 0
> 
> - make this executable by everyone
> 
> chmod 755 /tmp/test-archiver
> 
> - set these in mm_cfg.py (exactly as shown, on separate lines, with the
> three double quote marks)
> 
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """
> /tmp/test-archiver %(listname)s
> """
> 
> PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """
> /tmp/test-archiver %(listname)s
> """
> 
> 
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Steve Eichblatt wrote:
> 
> > Well, I tried this. Nothing. 
> > 
> > I also tried setting it to 
> > 
> > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/bin/cat /etc/hosts >! /home/mailman/archives/private/testlist/archive.testlist'
> > 
> > This command, when called alone, works (ie copies /etc/hosts to
> > archive.testlist). 
> > 
> > So where/when is PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER supposed to be called?
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:
> > 
> > > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
> > > > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> > > > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'cat - > /tmp/archive.%(listname)s ; cat - >
> > > > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> > > > 
> > > > and NOTHING has been written, even in /tmp !!
> > > 
> > > Do you need to supply a pathname to cat?  Incidentally, the above won't
> > > work as you expect, but using tee would fix it:
> > > 
> > >    PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/tee /tmp/archive.%(listname)s > /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/archive.%(listname)s'
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure where 'tee' resides on your system, though.  I also haven't
> > > tried this on the 2.0 release candidates; we're using 1.2 beta1 from
> > > the older CVS tree.
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> --
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> 




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Thu Apr  6 04:36:16 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:36:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as Archiver on linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004051820540.5465-100000@lotus.phys.nwu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004052230130.3813-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Steve Eichblatt wrote:

> Thanks, Todd for your explicit instructions.
> 
> That works. The file /tmp/test-archiver is created and written to with 
> 
> 0% more /tmp/test-archiver.log
> 
> uid=8(mail) gid=500(mailman) groups=12(mail)
> Testlist
> 
> 0%

good, that's the sort of output i wanted you to see.

> One surprise is that "Testlist" is capitalized, while my list (and all
> my paths) is called "testlist".

yup.  here's a patch that i use with mailman 1.1 to fix this.
you could also just lower-case the list name in your script.

--- Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py.orig   Fri Sep  3 23:16:02 1999
+++ Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py        Tue Feb 22 08:54:06 2000
@@ -183,7 +183,7 @@
             post.SetHeader('Date', olddate)
 
     def ExternalArchive(self, ar, txt):
-        d = SafeDict({'listname': self.real_name})
+        d = SafeDict({'listname': self._internal_name})
         cmd = ar % d
         extarch = os.popen(cmd, 'w')
         extarch.write(txt)

> So, am i right to guess that i should replace the program test-archiver
> with a script that calls mhonarc?

that's what i do.  see the message i sent yesterday about mhonarc, glimpse
and wilma for details.

> I am just learning all this business. Is there a "block diagram" somewhere
> that shows the flow of the program?

not that i know of.  you have to learn how to read the python code.

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From ashleyk at intekom.co.za  Thu Apr  6 09:55:34 2000
From: ashleyk at intekom.co.za (Ashley Kleynhans)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:55:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 1.1
Message-ID: <200004060955340250.00556252@smtp.intekom.co.za>

Can someone by any chance tell me what the following Error means
and if possible, how to rectify it?

Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 59, in main
    FormatAdminOverview()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 192, in FormatAdminOverview
    l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 814, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, \
MMBadListError: Unmarshaled config info is not a dictionary


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From mats at laplaza.org  Thu Apr  6 04:21:17 2000
From: mats at laplaza.org (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit approval
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004041240460.13018-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu
 >
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000405222117.007c9490@laplaza.org>

At 12:46 PM 04/04/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>Is the address list on the implicit approval a regex or explicit addresses
>only.
>
>I've tryed various different regexes with no luck.
>
>Is this changed in 2.0beta1
>
>I'm mostly looking to be able to exclude "all people but those from these
>few subdomains" from posting straighthrough - all others go through the
>moderator.


I have a somewhat different problem but still on the approval topic.
I've been too busy to keep up with this list recently so I feel a bit 
out of the loop - sorry if this is well-known (not to me!).


My lists have the normal checks in place for spam - too many
recipients.  I have one regular poster to a list that forwards
what's essentially a weekly newsletter and so I end up having
to approve this post every week because it fails the check.
I don't want to turn off the check, it's caught plenty of actual
spam.  Is there a way I can designate a list of senders as
pre-approved?  If I add to the list of approved posters that
doesn't help, because the "who can post" test seems to be applied
earlier than the "should I hold because it violates the rules"
test.  I know this one sender is legit and I don't want to
go through the step of approving his "illegal" posting.

Thanks,

Mats




From psegarra at fer.es  Thu Apr  6 17:57:10 2000
From: psegarra at fer.es (Pedro Segarra, FERCOM)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:57:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hypermail vs Pipermail
Message-ID: <002501bf9fe0$c44af280$1d05a8c0@PC29>

Hello!

Is there a way for using Hypermail instead of Pipermail?

Thanks,
Peter.



From tm at chello.at  Thu Apr  6 17:57:11 2000
From: tm at chello.at (TM)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:57:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval doesnt work on some lists
Message-ID: <p04310111b51261486f12@[192.168.168.11]>

Hi!

Following problem:

We installed Mailman 2.0beta1 on a Suse 6.3 Linux System (kernel 
2.2.14, sendmail 8.9.3, python 1.5.2, smp machine). Everything worked 
fine (except the archive, but this has time ;)

After adding about 700 users to one of the lists, the users got the 
welcome messages. A few mails are still in sendmail queue because of 
delivery problems.

When i try now to post a message to this list (moderated), i get the 
authorization mail. After klicking approve and submit on the web 
page, nothing happens. No mail, no new page.

ps axw:
579 ?	S	0:01 /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver/admindb
580 ?	Z	0:00 [python <defunct>]

On another mailing list with only a few users (same server), 
everything works fine.

Any ideas?

Ciao - Tom
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From lampman at newact.com  Thu Apr  6 20:59:10 2000
From: lampman at newact.com (Michael lampman)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
Message-ID: <a04310105b5128a0141cf@[205.223.189.82]>

I am new and trying to install. Please help.

Under Redhat 6.1 and Apache Secure Web Server, I have installed the 
Mailman 1.1 rpm.  It works insofar as a test list is created and a 
message sent to the owner.  However, apparently no symbolic links are 
being made to the appropriate directory or directories so "Internal 
Server Errors" are returned when trying to access the urls. I can go 
to myserver.mydomain/pipermail/ and get an index of pipermail with 
the file "test" and the directory "test.mbox/" but they are not 
found.  The questions are:

1.  How and where, (httpd.conf or access.conf or both), do I 
configure Apache to make these links?

2.  Which directories need it? I am sure that 
/usr/share/mailman/archives/public needs it, are there others?

Michael L.



From ppp at vsnl.com  Thu Apr  6 20:58:38 2000
From: ppp at vsnl.com (PPPindia)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:28:38 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing mailman in virtual server ?
Message-ID: <38ECDE5E.25D9049A@vsnl.com>

Is it possible to install Mailman in a virtual server ?
(without root access)

I am using majordomo now and installed it using an installation
script provided by my web host.
My provider says i have "virtual" root access.
I can create email and ftp user accounts and i have complete
access to sendmail and apache config files.
But when i type adduser, i get "you are not a root!" message.

Is there any way to install mailman in this environment ?

Thanks in advance for any help.
ksamy
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MailAssistant - Speaking Email Notifier
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From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Thu Apr  6 21:04:49 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:04:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
In-Reply-To: <a04310105b5128a0141cf@[205.223.189.82]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004061504250.22511-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

> Under Redhat 6.1 and Apache Secure Web Server, I have installed the 
> Mailman 1.1 rpm.  It works insofar as a test list is created and a 
> message sent to the owner.  However, apparently no symbolic links are 
> being made to the appropriate directory or directories so "Internal 
> Server Errors" are returned when trying to access the urls. I can go 
> to myserver.mydomain/pipermail/ and get an index of pipermail with 
> the file "test" and the directory "test.mbox/" but they are not 
> found.  The questions are:
where did you get the rpms? I've never been able to find any.

maybe I'm not looking in the right places.

-sv





From roedelm at letu.edu  Thu Apr  6 21:27:51 2000
From: roedelm at letu.edu (Mark Roedel)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:27:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] embedded images broken in html mail
Message-ID: <NDBBIALNGJHAHECIAMGPOEELGKAA.roedelm@letu.edu>

Had a user on one of our internal lists (where I theoretically don't mind
attachments, HTML-mail, etc.) attempt to send a message from Outlook with a
couple of inline images embedded in the message.

All the pieces of the message came through OK...the images are attached
nicely and all that.  However, they fail to appear in-line in the message
itself.  (They just show up as "broken image" icons.)

In viewing the source behind the message, I saw that the images are referred
to with a URL like "cid:332532400 at 0104200-0aae".  Am I correct in assuming
that some part of that encodes a message ID that gets changed when Mailman
resends the message?  Is there some workaround that will allow Mailman to
distribute messages like this with the pointers to the images intact?


---
Mark Roedel             |  "Blessed is he who has learned to laugh
Systems Programmer      |   at himself, for he shall never cease
LeTourneau University   |   to be entertained."
Longview, Texas, USA    |                           -- John Powell




From lampman at newact.com  Thu Apr  6 21:56:52 2000
From: lampman at newact.com (Michael lampman)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:56:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004061504250.22511-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004061504250.22511-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <a04310106b5129baa6803@[205.223.189.82]>

Seth,

I have it on the Secure Web Server CD.  It should be possible to find 
it on the RedHat site.  If not let me know and I will copy it to a 
public directory and you can ftp.

Michael L.


At 3:04 PM -0400 4/6/00, Seth Vidal wrote:
>  > Under Redhat 6.1 and Apache Secure Web Server, I have installed the
>>  Mailman 1.1 rpm.  It works insofar as a test list is created and a
>>  message sent to the owner.  However, apparently no symbolic links are
>>  being made to the appropriate directory or directories so "Internal
>>  Server Errors" are returned when trying to access the urls. I can go
>>  to myserver.mydomain/pipermail/ and get an index of pipermail with
>>  the file "test" and the directory "test.mbox/" but they are not
>>  found.  The questions are:
>where did you get the rpms? I've never been able to find any.
>
>maybe I'm not looking in the right places.
>
>-sv




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Thu Apr  6 21:57:14 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:57:14 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F3F@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Vidal [mailto:skvidal at phy.duke.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:05 PM
> To: Michael lampman
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
> 
> > Under Redhat 6.1 and Apache Secure Web Server, I have installed the 
> > Mailman 1.1 rpm.  It works insofar as a test list is created and a 
> > message sent to the owner.  However, apparently no symbolic 
> links are 
> > being made to the appropriate directory or directories so "Internal 
> > Server Errors" are returned when trying to access the urls. 
> I can go 
> > to myserver.mydomain/pipermail/ and get an index of pipermail with 
> > the file "test" and the directory "test.mbox/" but they are not 
> > found.  The questions are:
>
> where did you get the rpms? I've never been able to find any.
> 
> maybe I'm not looking in the right places.

They come with the Professional version of RedHat.  I have an RPM here, but
the file list is wrong because I'm too lazy to expand the loops in the
install script.  If anybody wants to give me a list of all the files and
locations (preferrably under /opt) I will make the RPM available, or you can
wait a few more weeks for me to get some time to work on it.
	Greg



From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Thu Apr  6 22:07:54 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:07:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
In-Reply-To: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F3F@email.cu-portland.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004061606140.22868-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

> They come with the Professional version of RedHat.  I have an RPM here, but
> the file list is wrong because I'm too lazy to expand the loops in the
> install script.  If anybody wants to give me a list of all the files and
> locations (preferrably under /opt) I will make the RPM available, or you can
> wait a few more weeks for me to get some time to work on it.

I haven't gotten the rpm yet but it appears that it breaks the FHS -
putting it in /opt would break it more.

it should be closer to the deb of mailman meaning:
archives and ml data in /var/lib/mailman
programs in /usr/bin
binary data or relatively static config stuff in /usr/share/mailman

-sv





From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Thu Apr  6 22:20:19 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:20:19 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F40@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Vidal [mailto:skvidal at phy.duke.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 1:08 PM
> To: Gregory Leblanc
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
> 
> > They come with the Professional version of RedHat.  I have 
> an RPM here, but
> > the file list is wrong because I'm too lazy to expand the 
> loops in the
> > install script.  If anybody wants to give me a list of all 
> the files and
> > locations (preferrably under /opt) I will make the RPM 
> available, or you can
> > wait a few more weeks for me to get some time to work on it.
> 
> I haven't gotten the rpm yet but it appears that it breaks the FHS -
> putting it in /opt would break it more.

>From my understanding, packages that can't be broken up (the installation
instructions for mailman-1.1 have everything installed to 1 directory), /opt
is the correct location for these packages.  If there ARE instructions for
installing mailman to multiple directories, please point me in the right
direction.  The advise that I got to put it in /opt came from several people
on the RPM list.

> it should be closer to the deb of mailman meaning:
> archives and ml data in /var/lib/mailman
> programs in /usr/bin
> binary data or relatively static config stuff in /usr/share/mailman

This assumes that mailman knows how to install itself to multiple locations,
which I couldn't convince it to do.  Again, if there's a way to do this,
please let me know.  
	Greg

P.S.  None of the Linux distributions are FHS compliant currently (to the
best of my knowledge).  Debian will be (close?) when whatever their next
release is released.



From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Thu Apr  6 22:23:37 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:23:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
In-Reply-To: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F40@email.cu-portland.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004061622150.22868-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

> instructions for mailman-1.1 have everything installed to 1 directory), /opt
> is the correct location for these packages.  If there ARE instructions for
> installing mailman to multiple directories, please point me in the right
> direction.  The advise that I got to put it in /opt came from several people
> on the RPM list.
the debian package of mailman splits mailman up.

> This assumes that mailman knows how to install itself to multiple locations,
> which I couldn't convince it to do.  Again, if there's a way to do this,
> please let me know.  
see above. will get more info shortly.

> P.S.  None of the Linux distributions are FHS compliant currently (to the
> best of my knowledge).  Debian will be (close?) when whatever their next
> release is released.
This doesn't mean your packages shouldn't be as close as possible though.

-sv





From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Thu Apr  6 22:34:58 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:34:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
In-Reply-To: <a04310106b5129baa6803@[205.223.189.82]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004061634411.22868-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

> Seth,
> 
> I have it on the Secure Web Server CD.  It should be possible to find 
> it on the RedHat site.  If not let me know and I will copy it to a 
> public directory and you can ftp.
> 

can you just post the SRPM?

I'd like to see how its being packaged.
-sv





From melissa.ng at amd.com  Thu Apr  6 23:19:51 2000
From: melissa.ng at amd.com (Melissa G. Ng)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:19:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Defaults.py file
Message-ID: <20000406161951.D12033@hendrix.amd.com>

How do I make changes to the "Defaults.py" file take effect?  I have already configured lists, but for future ones, I want lists to have different configurations.  Do I need to do anything special for the "Defaults.py" file to take effect?

Thank You.
-- 
Melissa G. Ng
CAD Systems Engineering
512.602.4111



From claw at cp.net  Fri Apr  7 00:01:04 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help 
In-Reply-To: Message from Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> 
   of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:20:19 PDT." <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F40@email.cu-portland.edu> 
References: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F40@email.cu-portland.edu> 
Message-ID: <E12dKKm-0003fl-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:20:19 -0700  
Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu> wrote:

> This assumes that mailman knows how to install itself to multiple
> locations, which I couldn't convince it to do.  Again, if there's
> a way to do this, please let me know.  Greg

Symlinks is the usual technique.

-- 
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----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From sgendler at silcom.com  Fri Apr  7 00:04:38 2000
From: sgendler at silcom.com (Sam Gendler)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:04:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation issues
Message-ID: <38ED09F6.B07E25E2@silcom.com>

I cannot seem to find in any of the documentatin, a description of how
to create a new list.  I found the bin/newlist program, but that doesn't
seem to modify anything for the mailserver so that mail actually gets
delivered to that list.  Can someone point me at some docs?

Thanks

--sam



From sgendler at silcom.com  Fri Apr  7 00:35:07 2000
From: sgendler at silcom.com (Sam Gendler)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:35:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] thoroughly confused
Message-ID: <38ED111B.E2B14A4C@silcom.com>

I cannot find anywhere in the docs that describes how mail needs to be
delivered in order to have it processed by mailman.  I am running Qmail,
and it would appear that qmail delivers mail to a Mailbox file owned by
the user specified in the email address.  Obviously, I don't want to
have a different user on the system for each email, and how would
Mailman know about incoming mail, anyway.

There must be kind of documentation that covers how to administer a
mailman installation, rather than just how to be a list administrator. 
All I can find is a FAQ and the list administrator guides.

Please help! This is thoroughly frustrating.

--sam



From claw at cp.net  Fri Apr  7 01:36:04 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] thoroughly confused 
In-Reply-To: Message from Sam Gendler <sgendler@silcom.com> 
   of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:35:07 PDT." <38ED111B.E2B14A4C@silcom.com> 
References: <38ED111B.E2B14A4C@silcom.com> 
Message-ID: <E12dLoj-0004A8-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:35:07 -0700 
Sam Gendler <sgendler at silcom.com> wrote:

> I cannot find anywhere in the docs that describes how mail needs
> to be delivered in order to have it processed by mailman.  I am
> running Qmail, and it would appear that qmail delivers mail to a
> Mailbox file owned by the user specified in the email address.
> Obviously, I don't want to have a different user on the system for
> each email, and how would Mailman know about incoming mail,
> anyway.

Please read the README.QMAIL that came as part of your Mailman
package/tarball.

-- 
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----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From claw at cp.net  Fri Apr  7 01:36:29 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:36:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation issues 
In-Reply-To: Message from Sam Gendler <sgendler@silcom.com> 
   of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:04:38 PDT." <38ED09F6.B07E25E2@silcom.com> 
References: <38ED09F6.B07E25E2@silcom.com> 
Message-ID: <E12dLp7-0004AK-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:04:38 -0700 
Sam Gendler <sgendler at silcom.com> wrote:

> I cannot seem to find in any of the documentatin, a description of
> how to create a new list.  I found the bin/newlist program, but
> that doesn't seem to modify anything for the mailserver so that
> mail actually gets delivered to that list.  Can someone point me
> at some docs?

Please read the README that came as part of your Mailman
package/tarball.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From jeff at mail.zefex.com  Fri Apr  7 01:46:01 2000
From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:46:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000406194507.00a95430@mail.zefex.com>

	What is the cookie authentication error that always shows up on the top of 
the password page? Or should it not be showing up all the time?




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Apr  7 02:03:04 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:03:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation issues
Message-ID: <200004070003.RAA01686@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I cannot seem to find in any of the documentatin, a description of how
> to create a new list.  I found the bin/newlist program, but that doesn't
> seem to modify anything for the mailserver so that mail actually gets
> delivered to that list.  Can someone point me at some docs?

I don't understand how this is confusing.

----
# bin/newlist foobar
Enter the email of the person running the list: dmick
Initial foobar password: password

Entry for aliases file:

## foobar mailing list
## created: 06-Apr-2000 dmick
foobar:                  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post foobar"
foobar-admin:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner foobar"
foobar-request:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foobar"
owner-foobar:            foobar-admin
foobar-owner:            foobar-admin

Hit enter to continue with foobar owner notification...
----

Doesn't that make it painfully obvious that you are to set up those
aliases?

How about this, from INSTALL?  What is ambiguous or hard to understand
about this?

---
6. Getting started

    - Create a list named `test'.  To do so, run the program
      $prefix/bin/newlist.  You will be prompted for the name of the
      list, as well as the email address of the person running the
      list.  Put your own email address as the list administrator's
      address.

    - Running newlist will generate a list of aliases that must be
      added to the system.  If you are running Sendmail, you may add
      the lines output directly to the file /etc/aliases.  You may
      need to run the command 'newaliases' (all as root).  Now the
      mailing address for your list as well as its administrative
      addresses will be set up.  If you are not running Sendmail,
      consult your MTA's documentation for information on adding
      aliases.
      
----




From sgendler at silcom.com  Fri Apr  7 02:09:38 2000
From: sgendler at silcom.com (Sam Gendler)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:09:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation issues
References: <200004070003.RAA01686@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <38ED2742.1DEDED70@silcom.com>

OK, you can put that one down to reading to fast.  I was typing faster
than I was reading, and I never saw the /etc/aliases entries.  Add to
that the fact that I am using qmail for the first time, and it has been
a thoroughly confusing afternoon.  As of this point, I finally got
everything working.

For reference sake, I had to set the --with-mail-gid to nofiles, rather
than qmail, as was suggested by the README.QMAIL file.

--sam

Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > I cannot seem to find in any of the documentatin, a description of how
> > to create a new list.  I found the bin/newlist program, but that doesn't
> > seem to modify anything for the mailserver so that mail actually gets
> > delivered to that list.  Can someone point me at some docs?
> 
> I don't understand how this is confusing.
> 
> ----
> # bin/newlist foobar
> Enter the email of the person running the list: dmick
> Initial foobar password: password
> 
> Entry for aliases file:
> 
> ## foobar mailing list
> ## created: 06-Apr-2000 dmick
> foobar:                  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post foobar"
> foobar-admin:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner foobar"
> foobar-request:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foobar"
> owner-foobar:            foobar-admin
> foobar-owner:            foobar-admin
> 
> Hit enter to continue with foobar owner notification...
> ----
> 
> Doesn't that make it painfully obvious that you are to set up those
> aliases?
> 
> How about this, from INSTALL?  What is ambiguous or hard to understand
> about this?
> 
> ---
> 6. Getting started
> 
>     - Create a list named `test'.  To do so, run the program
>       $prefix/bin/newlist.  You will be prompted for the name of the
>       list, as well as the email address of the person running the
>       list.  Put your own email address as the list administrator's
>       address.
> 
>     - Running newlist will generate a list of aliases that must be
>       added to the system.  If you are running Sendmail, you may add
>       the lines output directly to the file /etc/aliases.  You may
>       need to run the command 'newaliases' (all as root).  Now the
>       mailing address for your list as well as its administrative
>       addresses will be set up.  If you are not running Sendmail,
>       consult your MTA's documentation for information on adding
>       aliases.
> 
> ----



From jeff at mail.zefex.com  Fri Apr  7 02:15:31 2000
From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:15:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <200004062357.QAA01519@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000406201415.00aa7180@mail.zefex.com>

Error decoding authorization cookie.

Yes cookie are permitted...   Are there any special setting for 
apache?  Users are getting the same error?



> >
> >       What is the cookie authentication error that always shows up on 
> the top
>of
> > the password page? Or should it not be showing up all the time?
>
>That's right, it should not.  Is your browser accepting cookies?
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From jeff at mail.zefex.com  Fri Apr  7 02:41:21 2000
From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:41:21 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Cookie
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000406204049.00a959f0@mail.zefex.com>

I have tried from within my net work and from outside my network...

>Envelope-to: jeff at mail.zefex.com
>Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:25:37 +0900
>From: Oskar Bartenstein <oskar at ifcomputer.co.jp>
>To: Jeff Fiegel <jeff at mail.zefex.com>
>Subject: Re[2]: [Mailman-Users] Cookie
>Reply-To: oskar at ifcomputer.co.jp
>X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24
>
>I would guess at a firewall or proxy or cache problem.
>To determine it the problem is server of client side:
>Did you try to access the list server from a client with
>a different network setup?
>
>Oskar
>--
>Dr. Oskar Bartenstein                 oskar at ifcomputer.co.jp
>IF Computer Japan                         www.ifcomputer.com
>5-28-2 Sendagi, Bunkyo-ku                Tel +81-3-5814-3352
>Tokyo 113-0022 Japan                     Fax +81-3-5814-3357




From klm at digicool.com  Fri Apr  7 02:54:09 2000
From: klm at digicool.com (Ken Manheimer)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:54:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: RPM installation help
In-Reply-To: <20000407001455.852B21CD45@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004062048350.2918-100000@korak.digicool.com>

> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:59:10 -0400
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> From: Michael lampman <lampman at newact.com>
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
>
> I am new and trying to install. Please help.
> 
> Under Redhat 6.1 and Apache Secure Web Server, I have installed the 
> Mailman 1.1 rpm.  It works insofar as a test list is created and a 
> message sent to the owner.  However, apparently no symbolic links are 
> being made to the appropriate directory or directories so "Internal 
> Server Errors" are returned when trying to access the urls. I can go 
> to myserver.mydomain/pipermail/ and get an index of pipermail with 
> the file "test" and the directory "test.mbox/" but they are not 
> found.  The questions are:

Just in case, it sounds like you're referring to the archives URLs, which
(if i recall correctly - it's been a while) aren't present until there's a
message in the list.  Now, if you're saying you're not able to get to the
listinfo page for the list, that's apache configuration - again, it's been
a while, but i believe it's something like creating a cgi-bin link, and
allowing symlinks in the apach configuration - or using a redirect
directive, etc.  See the README/Install docs for specific instructions...

Ken Manheimer
klm at digicool.com




From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Fri Apr  7 02:55:00 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:55:00 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Defaults.py file
In-Reply-To: <20000406161951.D12033@hendrix.amd.com>; from melissa.ng@amd.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:19:51PM -0500
References: <20000406161951.D12033@hendrix.amd.com>
Message-ID: <20000407095500.A5197@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:19:51PM -0500, Melissa G. Ng wrote:
> How do I make changes to the "Defaults.py" file take effect?  I have
> already configured lists, but for future ones, I want lists to have
> different configurations.  Do I need to do anything special for the
> "Defaults.py" file to take effect?

No.  New lists will take the values you specify in Mailman/Defaults.py.
But as I mentioned just a couple of days ago, you can over-ride any of
the settings in Defaults.py with your Mailman/mm_cfg.py file.  Read
Defaults.py to find the variable names and their meanings, and then
set them at the end of your mm_cfg.py to suit your site.  (That technique
should allow your site specific customizations to persist through mailman
version updates.)

.. http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-April/004667.html

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Fri Apr  7 03:01:57 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:01:57 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000406201415.00aa7180@mail.zefex.com>; from jeff@mail.zefex.com on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 08:15:31PM -0400
References: <200004062357.QAA01519@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <4.3.1.2.20000406201415.00aa7180@mail.zefex.com>
Message-ID: <20000407100157.B5197@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 08:15:31PM -0400, Jeff Fiegel wrote:
> Error decoding authorization cookie.
> 
> Yes cookie are permitted...   Are there any special setting for 
> apache?  Users are getting the same error?

I have started seeing this *occasionally* with the 2.0beta series as well.
Maybe 1 out of 25 times, it will complain about not being able to decode the
authorization cookie.  I've not yet figured out what triggers it.  When I do
get it, the cookie that has been saved by Netscape is shorter than the
normal cookies... but I've not poked around enough to figure out why.  Maybe
a magic character in the cookie string?

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From jeff at mail.zefex.com  Fri Apr  7 03:19:57 2000
From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:19:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <200004070041.RAA03267@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000406211926.00aaa570@mail.zefex.com>

Same..........


At 05:41 PM 4/6/00 -0700, you wrote:

>Nothing special should be required on the server side.
>
>Try exiting the browser, manually removing the cookie, and
>restarting; sometimes the cookie seems to get "stale"
>somehow.
>
> > Error decoding authorization cookie.
> >
> > Yes cookie are permitted...   Are there any special setting for
> > apache?  Users are getting the same error?
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >       What is the cookie authentication error that always shows up on
> > > the top
> > >of
> > > > the password page? Or should it not be showing up all the time?
> > >
> > >That's right, it should not.  Is your browser accepting cookies?




From melissa.ng at amd.com  Fri Apr  7 18:26:54 2000
From: melissa.ng at amd.com (Melissa G. Ng)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:26:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing some addresses from executing "lists" command via email
Message-ID: <20000407112654.D15921@hendrix.amd.com>

How can I prevent external addresses from executing commands such as "lists" and "who" to <listname>-request@<mailmanserver>?

Also, how can I remove configuration fields from the lists' admin page?  I would like to prevent listowners from changing the maximum size of a message that can be sent and other configuration fields.

Thank You.
-- 
Melissa G. Ng
CAD Systems Engineering
512.602.4111



From cmshields at korrnet.org  Fri Apr  7 23:28:48 2000
From: cmshields at korrnet.org (Craig Shields)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:28:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch transfer problem
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004071721030.2133-100000@chips.rtd.utk.edu>

Hello,

In migrating lists from Listproc I have had luck with the
~mailman/bin/arch script for most of my lists, but for a couple I have run
into error messages in the middle that will say someting about 'date out
of range'.  This has happened on two list's archives now (after processing
close to 10000 messages) and I really don't want to sit through all that
again for no reason.  Does anyone have any idea what could be the problem
here?  FYI- For importing old listproc messages to the mailman <list>.mbox
I did 'cat <oldlist>mbox >> <mailmanlist>.mbox' and then ran the arch
script.  That worked on the first two.

thanks for any help,

Craig Shields
Computer/Network Technician
KORRnet, The Knoxville, Oak-Ridge Regional Network
http://www.korrnet.org




From cmshields at korrnet.org  Fri Apr  7 23:43:27 2000
From: cmshields at korrnet.org (Craig Shields)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:43:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add'l arch error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004071741380.6047-100000@chips.rtd.utk.edu>

Sorry, I should have included this in my previous message.  Here is the
output from running 'arch' on one of the lists.  I don't have the exact
output of the other, but it did say something about 'date out of range'.

###########
Processing article #2099 into archives ['2000-March']
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/arch", line 114, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/arch", line 103, in main
    archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
  File "/usr/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 385,
in processUnixMailbox
    a=articleClass(m, self.sequence) # Create an article object
  File "/usr/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 242,
in __init__
    date=time.mktime(date)-tzoffset
OverflowError: mktime argument out of range


thanks,

Craig Shields
Computer/Network Technician
KORRnet, The Knoxville, Oak-Ridge Regional Network
http://www.korrnet.org




From brett at pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net  Sat Apr  8 08:16:02 2000
From: brett at pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net (Brett Dikeman)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:16:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple queuing not working at all in 2.0
Message-ID: <p0431010db5147ea07a45@[10.1.1.70]>

Greetings,

I installed 2.0, having run 1.0 and 1.1 on other machines.  There, it 
worked great...but 2.0 seems to ignore the # of outgoing connections. 
This is a problem; mail delivery times are suffering.

The system is Mandrake 7.0, paranoid security level.  More info 
available upon request of course.

Thx,
Brett
-- 
----
Brett Dikeman				Systems Engineer
iClick, Inc					914-872-8043
120 Bloomingdale Rd.			914-872-8100(fax)
White Plains, NY 10605			http://www.iclick.com



From heiss.konrad at tauchmit.at  Sat Apr  8 23:30:36 2000
From: heiss.konrad at tauchmit.at (Konrad Heiss)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:30:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in Script bin/newlist ???
Message-ID: <38EFA4FC.B9ACB42B@tauchmit.at>

hi

i have done each steps to install mailman from your helpfile INSTALL. Anything
ok, until I arrive point 6 (getting started). If I call bin/newlist (the same as
user konrad, root, mailman) I get following message:

root at hk10:/usr/local/mailman# bin/newlist
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/newlist", line 40, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 23, in ?
    import mm_cfg
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 61
    Added changes of Defaults from Mailman-Addmin
                ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

--------------------
Additional Infos you can get from my server direct. I've opened the account as
user: gast
password: passw

mailman is installed in $Prefix = /usr/local/mailman

Please help, or send a tip, what to do ????
Thanks, Kuno

--
MfG Heiss Konrad                            Tel.Handy +43 676 3815432
Web privat: http://212.186.161.221     office: http://www.tauchmit.at
get my public key from Server:           http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371





From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sat Apr  8 23:54:44 2000
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:54:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 2
Message-ID: <14575.43684.735692.298399@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

I've just uploaded the Mailman 2.0 beta 2 tarball to the following
locations:

    http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz
    http://download.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0beta2.tgz
    ftp://ftp.python.org/pub/mailman/mailman-2.0beta2.tgz

See the UPGRADING file for details on upgrading from 1.1 or 2.0beta1.
See the NEWS file for a complete description of changes for every
version; below is an excerpt for changes since 2.0beta1.

Barring any showstopping bugs, this will be the last release until I
finish my taxes. :)

Enjoy,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
- Rewritten gate_news cron script which should be more efficient and
  avoid race and locking problems.  Each list now maintains its own
  watermark, and when you use the admin CGI script to turn on gating
  from Usenet->mail, an automatic mass catch up is done to avoid
  flooding the mailing list.  cron/gate_news's command line interface
  has also changed.  See its docstring for details.

- A new cron script called qrunner has been added to retry message
  deliveries that fail because of temporary smtpd problems.

- New command line script called bin/list_lists which does exactly
  that: lists all the mailing lists on the system (much like the
  listinfo CGI does).

- bin/withlist is now directly executable, however if you want to use
  python -i, you must still explicitly invoke it.  bin/withlist also
  now cleans up after itself by unlocking any locked lists.  It does
  NOT save any dirty lists though - you must do this explicitly.

- $prefix permissions (and all subdirs) must now be 02775.
  bin/check_perms has been updated to fix all the subdir permissions.

- "make update" (a.k.a. bin/update) is run automatically when you do a
  "make install"

- The CGI driver script now puts information about the Python
  environment into the logs/error file (but not the diagnostic web
  page).

- Bug fixes and some performance improvements



From heiss.konrad at tauchmit.at  Sun Apr  9 00:42:42 2000
From: heiss.konrad at tauchmit.at (Konrad Heiss)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 00:42:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Error in Script bin/newlist ???]
Message-ID: <38EFB5E2.6C3683AF@tauchmit.at>

sorry, I forgot the Hostname: 212.186.161.221

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Error in Script bin/newlist ???
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:30:36 +0200
From: Konrad Heiss <heiss.konrad at tauchmit.at>
Reply-To: konrad at 212186161221.tirol.chello.at
Organization: Tauchschule spezial
To: mailman-users at python.org

hi

i have done each steps to install mailman from your helpfile INSTALL. Anything
ok, until I arrive point 6 (getting started). If I call bin/newlist (the same as
user konrad, root, mailman) I get following message:

root at hk10:/usr/local/mailman# bin/newlist
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/newlist", line 40, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 23, in ?
    import mm_cfg
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 61
    Added changes of Defaults from Mailman-Addmin
                ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

--------------------
Additional Infos you can get from my server direct. I've opened the account as
user: gast
password: passw

mailman is installed in $Prefix = /usr/local/mailman

Please help, or send a tip, what to do ????
Thanks, Kuno

--
MfG Heiss Konrad                            Tel.Handy +43 676 3815432
Web privat: http://212.186.161.221     office: http://www.tauchmit.at
get my public key from Server:           http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Sun Apr  9 01:20:53 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:20:53 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help 
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F4A@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at cp.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:01 PM
> To: Gregory Leblanc
> Cc: 'Seth Vidal'; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:20:19 -0700  
> Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu> wrote:
> 
> > This assumes that mailman knows how to install itself to multiple
> > locations, which I couldn't convince it to do.  Again, if there's
> > a way to do this, please let me know.  Greg
> 
> Symlinks is the usual technique.

I'm assuming that you mean symlinks from places like /usr/local/bin to the
executables, correct?  If so, this isn't really installing it to multipe
location (I.E. splitting the install to put config files in /etc, binaries
in /usr/bin, libraries in /usr/lib, etc), which is what I'm talking about.
If it was just putting things in on directory, and making symlinks, then it
would just be any old package, with a script that created the symlinks.  I'm
not going to create a script to make symlinks, that's just silly, admins
should know how to do that.  
	Greg



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sun Apr  9 01:28:32 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:28:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Error in Script bin/newlist ???]
In-Reply-To: <38EFB5E2.6C3683AF@tauchmit.at>
References: <38EFB5E2.6C3683AF@tauchmit.at>
Message-ID: <20000408192832.A11258@xcski.com>

Quoting Konrad Heiss (heiss.konrad at tauchmit.at):
> sorry, I forgot the Hostname: 212.186.161.221

Well, it's not letting me log in, but at a guess:

>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 61
>     Added changes of Defaults from Mailman-Addmin
>                 ^
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax

That looks like it's trying to execute what should be a comment.  Did you
forget the '#' at the beginning of line 61?

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
To iterate is human; to recurse, is divine.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Apr  9 17:12:24 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 08:12:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help 
In-Reply-To: Message from Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> 
   of "Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:20:53 PDT." <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F4A@email.cu-portland.edu> 
References: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7F4A@email.cu-portland.edu> 
Message-ID: <15951.955293144@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:20:53 -0700  
Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu> wrote:

>> -----Original Message----- From: J C Lawrence
>> [mailto:claw at cp.net] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:01 PM To:
>> Gregory Leblanc Cc: 'Seth Vidal'; mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RPM installation help
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:20:19 -0700 Gregory Leblanc
>> <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> > This assumes that mailman knows how to install itself to
>> multiple > locations, which I couldn't convince it to do.  Again,
>> if there's > a way to do this, please let me know.  Greg
>> 
>> Symlinks is the usual technique.

> I'm assuming that you mean symlinks from places like
> /usr/local/bin to the executables, correct?  

Both that (tho the executables should be placed in an sbin
directory, not bin), and symlinking off entire directories.  A
typical Debian install:

  $ pwd
  /var/lib/mailman
  $ ls -lpas
  total 6
   1 drwxrwsr-x  6 root list 1024 Feb 29 14:13 ./
   1 drwxr-xr-x 24 root root         1024 Mar 12 12:35 ../
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   24 Feb 29 14:13 Mailman -> /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/
   1 drwxrwsr-x  4 root list 1024 Feb 10 22:00 archives/
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   20 Feb 29 14:13 bin -> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   24 Feb 29 14:13 cgi-bin -> /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   21 Feb 29 14:13 cron -> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/
   1 drwxrwsr-x  2 root list 1024 Apr  4 12:12 data/
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   24 Feb 29 14:13 filters -> /usr/lib/mailman/filters/
   1 drwxrwsr-x  3 root list 1024 Apr  4 12:10 lists/
   1 drwxrwsr-x  2 root list 1024 Apr  9 07:42 locks/
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   17 Feb 29 14:13 logs -> ../../log/mailman/
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   21 Feb 29 14:13 mail -> /usr/lib/mailman/mail/
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   24 Feb 29 14:13 scripts -> /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/
   0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root list   12 Feb 29 14:13 templates -> /etc/mailman/

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From llazarte at maloca.oca.org.br  Sun Apr  9 19:33:40 2000
From: llazarte at maloca.oca.org.br (Leonardo Lazarte)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:33:40 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Portuguese Interface
In-Reply-To: <38E09003.3100DBAA@uma.es>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0004091414440.11072-100000@maloca.oca.org.br>

Thanks to Juan Carlos Rey Anaya and Alexandre Denes dos Santos for
their replies to my question on translation.

1. PORTUGUESE VERSION:

   To begin with, there seem to be several people translating Mailman
   to Portuguese in Brazil. (People at Connectiva, at PUCPR, and at
   UnB, at least!)


2. INTERNATIONALIZATION (Suggestion):

   I read the few archived messages in the list on internationalization,
   and could not find what I was looking for: some sort of path to where
   are things to be translated.

   I was more lucky with the list on development, where I found some
   messages on putting things to be edited (HTML) in a set of separated
   files [Suggestion, not implemented].

   Perhaps that has already been suggested, but, may I suggest that
   *ALL* language-specific things, such as:
   - HTML interfaces
   - HTML messages
   - Mail messages
   - Error messages
   are put in a set of files, so that translations could be easier,
   safer, and could be used for new versions?


3. INTERNATIONALIZATION (Questions):

   Juan Carlos mentioned a `plain text file with all messages that
   mailman has inside source code`. Which is this file? I found
   English text scattered all over the files.

   Is there any DOCs as to what the Internalization project consists
   of?

   Would it be too difficult to make the program read a set of
   variables from these files?


   Leonardo




From gfoster at gfoster.com  Mon Apr 10 15:26:09 2000
From: gfoster at gfoster.com (Glen Foster)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird (to me) prob. with 2.0beta2
Message-ID: <14577.54435.696504.35558@rr.gfoster.com>

Folks,

I upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0beta2, now I am getting tracebacks in
logs/error saying, in part:

post(99075):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 29, in ?
post(99075):      import sha
post(99075): ImportError :  No module named sha 

Now when I do:

$ python
Python 1.5.2 (#2, Apr  9 2000, 14:22:56)  [GCC 2.7.2.3] on freebsd3
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>> import sha
>>> 

I get no complaints.

I am not python-clued, obviously I have done something stupid but I
can't figure out what it was.  Can anybody help?

TIA,
Glen Foster <gfoster at gfoster.com>



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Mon Apr 10 17:16:31 2000
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:16:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] basic domain munging question
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000410100941.00d5d9e0@admin.aurora.edu>

Hi everyone.  Every time that I think that I have this figured out 
experimentally it seems like I come up with an exception, so I just want to 
get this clear.

At our institution Joe Schmoe would have the address
	 jschmoe at mail.aurora.edu
  but he could also advertise the alias
	jschmoe at aurora.edu
Due to inconsistencies in mail client configuration and the like, there is 
no way of knowing which of the addresses will appear in mail coming from Joe.

Which of the addresses should I use in mailman's subscriber list to give me 
the most robust handling of this situation?  I have been dropping in the 
entire address @mail.aurora.edu, but then I get admin holds when it comes 
simply from @aurora.edu.  If I use @aurora.edu will it figure out that 
@mail.aurora.edu is also good (the user name will always be the same).

If asked, I would swear that I have tried it both ways and that neither 
have worked, but it may just be that I am imagining it and have actually 
tried the same thing twice.  In any case, I would appreciate having a 
definitive answer and promise to incorporate it into the docs so that I 
will never forget.

Thanks in advance,

--chris
--
/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
  Christopher G. Kolar
    Director, Department of Instructional Technology
    Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois
  ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  --  www.aurora.edu/~ckolar
         [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72]




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Mon Apr 10 17:22:10 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:22:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird (to me) prob. with 2.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <14577.54435.696504.35558@rr.gfoster.com>; from gfoster@gfoster.com on Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 09:26:09AM -0400
References: <14577.54435.696504.35558@rr.gfoster.com>
Message-ID: <20000410172210.C4411@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 09:26:09AM -0400, Glen Foster wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0beta2, now I am getting tracebacks in
> logs/error saying, in part:
> 
> post(99075):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 29, in ?
> post(99075):      import sha
> post(99075): ImportError :  No module named sha 
> 
> Now when I do:
> 
> $ python
> Python 1.5.2 (#2, Apr  9 2000, 14:22:56)  [GCC 2.7.2.3] on freebsd3
> Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
> >>> import sha
> >>> 
> 
> I get no complaints.
> 
> I am not python-clued, obviously I have done something stupid but I
> can't figure out what it was.  Can anybody help?

Perhaps you and mailman are using different Pythons?
Might just be. Happened to me before :)

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
If M$ only employs the best programmers, how comes the programs are so bad? 




From dannyman at dannyland.org  Mon Apr 10 19:31:38 2000
From: dannyman at dannyland.org (dannyman)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:31:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] our mailman broke!
Message-ID: <20000410103138.H547@stumpy.dannyland.org>

Heyas.  Running the second-to-latest version of Mailman on FreeBSD/Postfix.

ObIHaveReservationsAboutDeployingMailman: is there something wrong with
locking mechanisms?  i see a lot of errors when the system is under load.  it
is enough to make ditch mailman.  is the new version more stable?

anyway, we lost power last night, and when the system came back up, the web
interface started whining thusly:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 40, in main
    FormatListinfoOverview()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 88, in
FormatListinfoOverview
    l = MailList.MailList(n, lock = 0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 817, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, ('Failed to unmarshal config info: '
TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands

SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                       Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) 
HTTP_CONNECTION 
                       Keep-Alive 
 HTTP_USER_AGENT 
                       Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) 

 REQUEST_URI 
                       /mailman/listinfo/ 
SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                       HTTP/1.0 
 PATH_INFO 
                       / 
 HTTP_HOST 
                       mailman.tellme.com 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                       GET 
 SERVER_SIGNATURE 
                       Apache/1.3.12 Server at cyrus.corp.tellme.com Port 80
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                       /mailman/listinfo 

Can anyone give me a pointer here?  I'll go RTFM for my part. :)

Thanks,
-danny

-- 
come.to/dannyman



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Mon Apr 10 19:42:50 2000
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:42:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] our mailman broke!
In-Reply-To: <20000410103138.H547@stumpy.dannyland.org>; from dannyman@dannyland.org on Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 10:31:38AM -0700
References: <20000410103138.H547@stumpy.dannyland.org>
Message-ID: <20000410194250.A6015@miss-janet.com>

On Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 10:31:38AM -0700, dannyman wrote:
> anyway, we lost power last night, and when the system came back up, the web
> interface started whining thusly:

i'm not sure if it will fix your problem what you could try to:
- backup ~mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.db
- copy ~mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.db.last to config.db

and see if it is fixed.

Ricardo.

--




From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Mon Apr 10 20:59:58 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] batch member removal
Message-ID: <20000410145958.A10232@raleigh.ibm.com>

Does anyone have an existing method todo this? 

I would like to be able to remove a list member from all lists. For example:

   ./remove_members * deaduser at nowhere.com

would look through all mailing lists and remove the user from any list they were a part of.
It seems as if this would be rather handy.

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From dannyman at dannyland.org  Mon Apr 10 19:56:21 2000
From: dannyman at dannyland.org (dannyman)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:56:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] our mailman broke!
In-Reply-To: <20000410194250.A6015@miss-janet.com>; from Ricardo Kustner on Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 07:42:50PM +0200
References: <20000410103138.H547@stumpy.dannyland.org> <20000410194250.A6015@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <20000410105621.I547@stumpy.dannyland.org>

On Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 07:42:50PM +0200, Ricardo Kustner wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2000 at 10:31:38AM -0700, dannyman wrote:
> > anyway, we lost power last night, and when the system came back up, the web
> > interface started whining thusly:
> 
> i'm not sure if it will fix your problem what you could try to:
> - backup ~mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.db
> - copy ~mailman/lists/LISTNAME/config.db.last to config.db
> 
> and see if it is fixed.

Here is what I did, since I have a number of lists and had no idea what could
be breaking the list index CGI.

I went to ~mailman/lists, and did:
> foreach l (*)       
foreach? diff ${l}/config.db*
foreach? end                                             
[...]
Binary files privacy/config.db and privacy/config.db.last differ        
diff: extra operand
diff: Try `diff --help' for more information.
Binary files sfparty/config.db and sfparty/config.db.last differ
[...]

ls said that the "root" list between privacy and sfparty was the one that
confused diff.  Hrmmm.  Removed a whole bunch of config.db.tmp.* files in
root/ and moved config.db.last to config.db for good measure, my mailman came
back to me.

Thanks,
-danny

-- 
come.to/dannyman



From maren at leizaola.com  Mon Apr 10 20:28:00 2000
From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:28:00 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.02b and Postfix...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004110219560.4974-100000@leizaola.com>

Hi,
	I am quite taken back in that I've installed V2.02b and I just
can't get it to work. 

WEB:When I log into the WEB interface if I select any of the options it
logs me out and prompts me for the log in password, even if I log in
locally to the machine using lynx.

MTA: When posting to the wrapper I get a "Command died with status 2:"

Is it my imagination but in v1.x there was a lot more debugging
information...

Regards,
Maren.




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Mon Apr 10 20:38:12 2000
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:38:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.02b and Postfix...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004110219560.4974-100000@leizaola.com>; from maren@leizaola.com on Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 02:28:00AM +0800
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004110219560.4974-100000@leizaola.com>
Message-ID: <20000410203812.B6015@miss-janet.com>

On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 02:28:00AM +0800, Maren S. Leizaola wrote:
> WEB:When I log into the WEB interface if I select any of the options it
> logs me out and prompts me for the log in password, even if I log in
> locally to the machine using lynx.
> MTA: When posting to the wrapper I get a "Command died with status 2:"

aren't the errors logged into ~mailman/logs/errors ?

Ricardo.

--




From maren at leizaola.com  Mon Apr 10 20:52:02 2000
From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:52:02 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.02b and Postfix...
In-Reply-To: <20000410203812.B6015@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004110246500.4974-100000@leizaola.com>

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Ricardo Kustner wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 02:28:00AM +0800, Maren S. Leizaola wrote:
> > WEB:When I log into the WEB interface if I select any of the options it
> > logs me out and prompts me for the log in password, even if I log in
> > locally to the machine using lynx.
> > MTA: When posting to the wrapper I get a "Command died with status 2:"
> 
> aren't the errors logged into ~mailman/logs/errors ?
> 

Nope... But something I notice is that the error life is owned by
nobody... on another server is owned by mailman...

-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman     0 Apr 11 01:09 error

The locks and smtp contain nothing of interest.

Nothing of interest in message or maillogs... I've tried to run mail.debug
to another file and got nothing either.

Maren.




From mdower10 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 10 22:23:46 2000
From: mdower10 at hotmail.com (Michael Dower)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:23:46 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive
Message-ID: <20000410202346.86855.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hello,

I recently became nominated to be administrator for about five listserves 
where I work. The question I have is pretty simple. How can I easily delete 
messages from the archives?

My system administrator told me to telnet to our server and remove them 
using unix which I have no clue about. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks!


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From tal at research.bell-labs.com  Mon Apr 10 22:54:50 2000
From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:54:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How static are the archives?
References: <20000410202346.86855.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38F23F9A.CCA07813@research.bell-labs.com>

If I change the HTML in the "Edit the HTML for the public list pages" area
the archives don't reflect the change I made.  Is there something that must
be done to have old archives updated to the new HTML?

Thanks in advance,
--tal



From melissa.ng at amd.com  Mon Apr 10 23:59:50 2000
From: melissa.ng at amd.com (Melissa G. Ng)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to make "NO" archive default for new lists
Message-ID: <20000410165949.A10651@hendrix.amd.com>

I've tried making "NO" the default for Archiving mail messages for new lists.  I set in my Mailman/mm_cfg.py the option

	ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1

so it will set archiving to "NO" as default.  But when I create new lists, it still comes up with "Yes" checked in "Archive messages?"

Am I missing something?

Thanks
-- 
Melissa G. Ng
CAD Systems Engineering
512.602.4111



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Apr 11 01:20:20 2000
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:20:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from Jorge Barello
Message-ID: <14578.25012.894808.566225@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

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From christopher at schulte.org  Tue Apr 11 01:56:00 2000
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:56:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive stops working for some lists (1.0 -> 2.0B2)
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000410184840.00c0e720@pop.schulte.org>

I've been using 1.0 for a long while with great success.  I decided to give 
2.0 a whirl, just because of the improved bounce detection.  That was by 
far my biggest complaint.

First I tried 2.0B1, and noticed the some of my lists stopped archiving 
messages.  I upped to 2.0B2 with the same results.  One list will continue 
to archive fine, while another won't.  In cases where the archiving fails, 
I see this in error:

-----
Apr 10 13:29:20 2000 post(11513): ending
Apr 10 18:09:22 2000 post(17224): Traceback (innermost last):
post(17224):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 204, 
in ArchiveMail
post(17224):     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
post(17224):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 160, 
in __archive_to_mbox
post(17224):     post.SetHeader('Date', time.ctime(time.time()))
post(17224): AttributeError: SetHeader
-----

I have run bin/update, bin/check_perms, and such with no visible 
problems.  In all cases the listname.mbox file simply is not being appended 
to....  The last archived messages on the problem lists have a date prior 
to the 1 -> 2.0B upgrade.

Any help is greatly appreciated.  Thank you!

--
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From bug at aphid.net  Tue Apr 11 19:18:45 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:18:45 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie
References: <200004062357.QAA01519@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <4.3.1.2.20000406201415.00aa7180@mail.zefex.com> <20000407100157.B5197@mail.dskk.co.jp>
Message-ID: <013601bfa3d9$fe421e80$1500000a@neural>

I get this problem consistently if I use a proxy server that itself has a
parent. That is, I use the proxy server of an ISP which in turn uses the
proxy of their provider. The problem seems to be that there are multiple
proxies selected by some sort of L4 switch so I get often get a different
proxy with every request. Not sure why this stuffs up the cookies.

Chuck

> On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 08:15:31PM -0400, Jeff Fiegel wrote:
> > Error decoding authorization cookie.
> >
> > Yes cookie are permitted...   Are there any special setting for
> > apache?  Users are getting the same error?
>
> I have started seeing this *occasionally* with the 2.0beta series as well.
> Maybe 1 out of 25 times, it will complain about not being able to decode
the
> authorization cookie.  I've not yet figured out what triggers it.  When I
do
> get it, the cookie that has been saved by Netscape is shorter than the
> normal cookies... but I've not poked around enough to figure out why.
Maybe
> a magic character in the cookie string?





From admin at music.vt.edu  Tue Apr 11 07:24:13 2000
From: admin at music.vt.edu (Network Admin)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:24:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and os X server
Message-ID: <20000411012413.012677@mail.music.vt.edu>

Does anyone know if/how Mailman and Python can be used with Mac OS X
Server?  I looked, but did not see a version of Python (except for maybe
the source for Free BSD) that seemed appropriate.  Any opinions or
experience here would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

~~~~~~~~~~
Michael Dunston




From loci at crandon.sch.bme.hu  Tue Apr 11 14:31:16 2000
From: loci at crandon.sch.bme.hu (Nemeth Lorant)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:31:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real names for users
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004111248200.2694-100000@crandon.sch.bme.hu>

Hi!

I've seen this question severally in tha archives but no answers on it
(this could be my fault ;-) ). The question is: Is it possible with
mailman, to specify the real name with the mail address for a user (like
with procmail). I allready tried to add an address like this:

Myname <username at host.domain.hu>

, but it doesn't take effect.


			Thx!
					Loci




From secabeen at pobox.com  Tue Apr 11 17:48:49 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:48:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to make "NO" archive default for new lists 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:59:50 CDT."
             <20000410165949.A10651@hendrix.amd.com> 
Message-ID: <200004111548.KAA14676@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <20000410165949.A10651 at hendrix.amd.com>, "Melissa G. Ng" writes:
>I've tried making "NO" the default for Archiving mail messages for new lists. 
> I set in my Mailman/mm_cfg.py the option
>
>	ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1
>
>so it will set archiving to "NO" as default.  But when I create new lists, it 
>still comes up with "Yes" checked in "Archive messages?"

You need to edit archiver.py to add an mm.cfg refrence to the Archive messages 
option.  I think that that should go in 2.0, as It's a two line patch, but I 
don't have a 2.0 box I can do it on.  

--
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Check Website or finger for PGP Public Key        secabeen at midway.uchicago.edu
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From waynes at iexalt.net  Tue Apr 11 18:32:58 2000
From: waynes at iexalt.net (Wayne Sitton)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:32:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add users by script
Message-ID: <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEEAFCBAA.waynes@iexalt.net>

I have a server that users add themselves online.  I want to set up a script
to add that user to my listserv(mailman) automatically.  Is there a script
that will add users without having for them to answer a confirmation?  I
know I can do it via the admin web interface, but I need to do it
automatically.

Wayne




From secabeen at pobox.com  Tue Apr 11 19:00:14 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add users by script 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:32:58 CDT."
             <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEEAFCBAA.waynes@iexalt.net> 
Message-ID: <200004111700.MAA15150@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALEEAFCBAA.waynes at iexalt.net>, "Wayne Sitton" wri
tes:
>I have a server that users add themselves online.  I want to set up a script
>to add that user to my listserv(mailman) automatically.  Is there a script
>that will add users without having for them to answer a confirmation?  I
>know I can do it via the admin web interface, but I need to do it
>automatically.

Set the ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBES option in mm_cfg.py to 1 and you will enable 
the no confirmation option in the web interface.

--
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Check Website or finger for PGP Public Key        secabeen at midway.uchicago.edu
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From mjn at tc.umn.edu  Tue Apr 11 21:40:41 2000
From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:40:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0004111429020.14064-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

Hey all-

I just subscribed to the list today and I have a general question about
Mailman that I hope you could advise me on.

I am currently working in a NT/Novell/Linux(small scale) environment and
we are looking to move our Mercury lists off of Novell and onto something
else.  I had suggested, and am researching, majordomo on RedHat and it
seems to be doing about what we would want from our list software.  Some
features are lacking (no web interface for archives for examlpe) but at
the same time the way in which it is thrown together makes it quite simple
to write scripts for common backside tasks (mass creation of lists, text
files to edit for quick fixes etc)...

Now, we are eventually going to be recreating ~225 listservs and exploders
and resubscribing all of our users...I just ran across Mailman today and I
am wondering how much trouble it is going to be to create these lists and
then subscribe all of our users; I like the idea of passwords for
individuals but how much trouble will it cause initially?  With majordomo
I had written a perl script to do most of the dirty work and import the
old user files, not to mention another one which would convert the mercury
archives...Also how beefy is the application; ie will it be able to handle
the traffic generated by 200+ lists without terrible problems?

Any advise/wisdom you can provide would be appretiated...

____________________________
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From jbore at tjtech.com  Tue Apr 11 21:52:46 2000
From: jbore at tjtech.com (Joseph T. Bore)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:52:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie problems render user interface USELESS
Message-ID: <14579.33422.940757.21696@union.tjtech.com>

folks, I'm running 2.0b2/redhat 6.x/python 1.5.2.

After I log into the web site any changes that I commit require me to
enter the password again, I'm led back to the user interface, but then
the changes haven't taken.

I think I vaguely remember this problem from an early version of
mailman.. any idea what the fix is?

jb

-- 
------------------+---------------------------------------------------------
  Joseph T. Bore  | When you have tremendous conviction on a trade, you have
 jbore at TJTech.com | to go for the jugular.  It takes courage to be a pig.
------------------+---------------------------------------------------------




From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Wed Apr 12 00:04:12 2000
From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:04:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] converting other archive to mailman archive
Message-ID: <200004112204.RAA14882@netman.eng.auburn.edu>

Anybody have a script that will convert a typical majordomo or other
mbox style archive to a mailman archive and populate it appropriately?



From jcmllc at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 12 00:10:18 2000
From: jcmllc at earthlink.net (Pepper-Emporium)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:10:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000b01bfa402$ba7ce3a0$dcef85ce@default>

Does anyone know who to delete the entire mail list?

Greg


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From hknief at auctionwatch.com  Wed Apr 12 00:12:45 2000
From: hknief at auctionwatch.com (Herman Knief)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:12:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD8A38D5@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com>

As user "mailman" from the default directory, type ./bin/rmlist <listname>
 
 - Herman

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From: Pepper-Emporium [mailto:jcmllc at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:10 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


Does anyone know who to delete the entire mail list?
 
Greg
 
 

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From tessa at law.usyd.edu.au  Wed Apr 12 01:15:54 2000
From: tessa at law.usyd.edu.au (Tessa Boyd-Caine)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:15:54 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing Mailman options
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000412090622.00a7ba40@mail>

Dear Mailman users,

I have recently taken over the administration of a network operating via 
Mailman (CrimNet). I would be grateful if anyone could advise me how to 
change the administrator options, to remove the previous administrator's 
name (and e-mail address) and insert my own.

Thanks in advance,

Tessa Boyd-Caine				
*******************************************************
Administrator					
Institute of Criminology				
University of Sydney	
173-175 Phillip Street
Sydney University Law School	
NSW 2000

Phone: (61) (2) 9351 0239
Fax:   (61) (2) 9351 0200    Attn: Institute of Criminology

http://criminology.law.usyd.edu.au/




From michael at spconnect.com  Wed Apr 12 03:08:59 2000
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:08:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000412090622.00a7ba40@mail>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004111808300.27109-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

Your "cron" job on coyote
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs


produced the following output:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 52, in main
    text = text + '\n' + pending_requests(mlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 72, in pending_requests
    pending.append('    %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when))
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string



----

The answer to the meaning of life:
perl -e 'print$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10); '

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Tessa Boyd-Caine wrote:

> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:15:54 +1000
> From: Tessa Boyd-Caine <tessa at law.usyd.edu.au>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing Mailman options
> 
> Dear Mailman users,
> 
> I have recently taken over the administration of a network operating via 
> Mailman (CrimNet). I would be grateful if anyone could advise me how to 
> change the administrator options, to remove the previous administrator's 
> name (and e-mail address) and insert my own.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Tessa Boyd-Caine				
> *******************************************************
> Administrator					
> Institute of Criminology				
> University of Sydney	
> 173-175 Phillip Street
> Sydney University Law School	
> NSW 2000
> 
> Phone: (61) (2) 9351 0239
> Fax:   (61) (2) 9351 0200    Attn: Institute of Criminology
> 
> http://criminology.law.usyd.edu.au/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 12 08:00:17 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:00:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... 
In-Reply-To: Message from mjn <mjn@tc.umn.edu> 
   of "Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:40:41 CDT." <Pine.SOL.4.20.0004111429020.14064-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> 
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0004111429020.14064-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> 
Message-ID: <16376.955519217@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:40:41 -0500 (CDT) 
mjn  <mjn at tc.umn.edu> wrote:

> Also how beefy is the application; ie will it be able to handle
> the traffic generated by 200+ lists without terrible problems?

The largest list I've tried under Mailman had 140,000+ members.  It
worked.  As for number of lists, that shouldn't be a problem in the
slightest.

> Any advise/wisdom you can provide would be appretiated...

If your expected traffic levels are going to be high, you are going
to need to spend time and expertise on the choice and configuration
of your MTA, your other local mailhosts (if you do smarthosting),
and on some of the lower level MailMan configs relating to how the
mail gets to an MTA.  There's nothing terribly complex in there, and
its all been discussed here on the list (see the archives).  

The same is true of course for Majordomo, and the saem principles
apply -- except we haven't discussed those aspects here.

Before you roll, you might also want to hang out briefly and await
the Mailman 2.0 release and the first patches.  It is a significant
improvement over the current release and is due RSN.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 12 08:00:48 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:00:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Pepper-Emporium" <jcmllc@earthlink.net> 
   of "Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:10:18 PDT." <000b01bfa402$ba7ce3a0$dcef85ce@default> 
References: <000b01bfa402$ba7ce3a0$dcef85ce@default> 
Message-ID: <16400.955519248@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:10:18 -0700 
Pepper-Emporium  <jcmllc at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know who to delete the entire mail list?  

rmlist [-a] <listname]

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 12 08:01:43 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:01:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing Mailman options 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tessa Boyd-Caine <tessa@law.usyd.edu.au> 
   of "Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:15:54 +1000." <4.2.2.20000412090622.00a7ba40@mail> 
References: <4.2.2.20000412090622.00a7ba40@mail> 
Message-ID: <16494.955519303@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:15:54 +1000 
Tessa Boyd-Caine <tessa at law.usyd.edu.au> wrote:

> Dear Mailman users, I have recently taken over the administration
> of a network operating via Mailman (CrimNet). I would be grateful
> if anyone could advise me how to change the administrator options,
> to remove the previous administrator's name (and e-mail address)
> and insert my own.

Its the second field down on the General Options page.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Apr 12 08:20:39 2000
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:20:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004111808300.27109-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>; from michael@spconnect.com on Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 06:08:59PM -0700
References: <4.2.2.20000412090622.00a7ba40@mail> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004111808300.27109-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <20000412082039.A2873@miss-janet.com>

On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 06:08:59PM -0700, Michael Ghens wrote:
>     pending.append('    %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when))

I'm no python expert but I know this should be:
pending.append(' %s %s' % (addr, time.ctime(when)))

which version of mailman are you using?

Ricardo.

--




From romildo at urano.iceb.ufop.br  Wed Apr 12 10:12:34 2000
From: romildo at urano.iceb.ufop.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Romildo_Malaquias?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 05:12:34 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPMS for mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004061634411.22868-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>; from skvidal@phy.duke.edu on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:34:58PM -0400
References: <a04310106b5129baa6803@[205.223.189.82]> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004061634411.22868-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <20000412051234.B6227@urano.iceb.ufop.br>

I have packaged mailman using RPM. The package are
based on previous one by Conectiva Linux.
It can be found at
	
	ftp://urano.iceb.ufop.br/pub/mailman/

Probably it needs improvements. Feel free to
made them.

Romildo
-- 
Prof. Jos? Romildo Malaquias <romildo at iceb.ufop.br>
Departamento de Computa??o
Universidade Federal de Ouro Preto
Brasil
-------------- next part --------------
%define prefixdir /usr/lib/mailman

Summary: The GNU Mailing List Management System
Summary(pt_BR): O Sistema de Manuten??o de listas da GNU
Summary(es): The GNU Mailing List Management System
Name: mailman
Version: 2.0beta2
Release: 1
Group: System Environment/Daemons
Group(pt_BR): Ambiente do Sistema/Servidores
Group(es): Ambiente del Sistema/Servidores (Daemons)
Copyright: GPL
URL: http://www.list.org
Source: ftp://ftp.python.org/pub/mailman/mailman-%{version}.tgz
Source1: README.rpm
BuildRoot: /var/tmp/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-build
PreReq: python >= 1.5.2
Requires: webserver, sendmail, python >= 1.5.2

%description
Mailman -- The GNU Mailing List Management System -- is
a mailing list management system written mostly in Python.

Read the contents of the file README.rpm at the documentation
directory for post-installation instructions.

Features:
  o Most standard mailing list features, including:
     moderation, mail based commands, digests, etc...
  o An extensive Web interface, customizable on a per-list basis.
  o Web based list administration interface for *all* admin-type tasks
  o Automatic Web based hypermail-style archives (using pipermail or
    other external archiver), including provisions for private archives
  o Integrated mail list to newsgroup gatewaying
  o Integrated newsgroup to mail list gatewaying (polling-based... if you
     have access to the nntp server, you should be able to easily do
     non-polling based news->mail list gatewaying; email viega at list.org,
     I'd like to help get that going and come up
     with instructions)
  o Smart bounce detection and correction
  o Integrated fast bulk mailing
  o Smart spam protection
  o Extensible logging
  o Multiple list owners and moderators are possible
  o Optional MIME-compliant digests
  o Nice about which machine you subscribed from if you're from the
        right domain

%description -l pt_BR
Mailman -- O sistema de manuten??o de listas de discuss?o da GNU.

Leia o arquivo README.rpm no diret?rio de documenta??o para instru??es
a serem seguidas ap?s a instala??o.

%description -l es
Mailman -- The GNU Mailing List Management System -- is
a mailing list management system written mostly in Python.

Read the contents of the file README.rpm at the documentation
directory for post-installation instructions.

Features:
  o Most standard mailing list features, including:
     moderation, mail based commands, digests, etc...
  o An extensive Web interface, customizable on a per-list basis.
  o Web based list administration interface for *all* admin-type tasks
  o Automatic Web based hypermail-style archives (using pipermail or
    other external archiver), including provisions for private archives
  o Integrated mail list to newsgroup gatewaying
  o Integrated newsgroup to mail list gatewaying (polling-based... if you
     have access to the nntp server, you should be able to easily do
     non-polling based news->mail list gatewaying; email viega at list.org,
     I'd like to help get that going and come up
     with instructions)
  o Smart bounce detection and correction
  o Integrated fast bulk mailing
  o Smart spam protection
  o Extensible logging
  o Multiple list owners and moderators are possible
  o Optional MIME-compliant digests
  o Nice about which machine you subscribed from if you're from the
        right domain

%prep
%setup -q
cp -p %SOURCE1 .

%build
# Mailman needs a special user/group
/usr/sbin/useradd -M -u 44 -d %{prefixdir} -s /bin/bash mailman || :
mkdir -p %{prefixdir}
chown mailman:mailman %{prefixdir} || :
chmod a+rx,g+ws %{prefixdir} || :

CFLAGS="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS" \
./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody --prefix=%{prefixdir}
make

%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/home/httpd/html
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/cron.d

make prefix=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{prefixdir} install
cp -p misc/mailman.jpg misc/PythonPowered.png misc/gnu-head-tiny.jpg \
      $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/home/httpd/html/
cp -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{prefixdir}/cron/crontab.in \
      $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/cron.d/mailman

mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/smrsh
ln -s %{prefixdir}/mail/wrapper $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/etc/smrsh/

%pre
useradd -M -u 44 -d %{prefixdir} -s /bin/bash mailman > /dev/null 2>&1 || :

%post
cat >> /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf <<EOF
### Mailman (begin) ###
ScriptAlias /mailman/   %prefixdir/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ %prefixdir/archives/public/
<Directory "%prefixdir/archives/public">
	Options FollowSymLinks
	order allow,deny
	allow from all
</Directory>
### Mailman (end) ###
EOF

/etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd restart

HOST_NAME=`hostname`

cat >> /etc/aliases <<EOF
### Mailman (begin) ###
mailman: root@$HOST_NAME
mailman-owner: mailman
### Mailman (end) ###
EOF

newaliases

ed %{prefixdir}/Mailman/mm_cfg.py <<EOF
,s|^DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = '.*'|DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = \\'$HOST_NAME\\'|g
,s|^DEFAULT_URL       = '.*'|DEFAULT_URL       = \\'http://$HOST_NAME/mailman\\'|g
,s|^MAILMAN_OWNER     = '.*'|MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'root@%s'|g
wq
EOF

%postun
if [ $1 = 0 ]; then
	userdel mailman >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
fi

ed /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf <<EOF
/^### Mailman (begin) ###$/,/^### Mailman (end) ###$/d
wq
EOF

ed /etc/aliases <<EOF
/^### Mailman (begin) ###$/,/^### Mailman (end) ###$/d
wq
EOF

%files
%defattr(-,root,root)
%doc ACKNOWLEDGMENTS BUGS FAQ INSTALL NEWS README
%doc README.LINUX README.NETSCAPE README.QMAIL README.SENDMAIL TODO UPGRADING
%doc gnu-COPYING-GPL
%doc README.rpm
/etc/smrsh/wrapper
/etc/cron.d/mailman
/home/httpd/html/*
%attr(-,mailman,mailman) %{prefixdir}

%clean
if [ $RPM_BUILD_ROOT != "/" ]; then
	rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
fi

%changelog
* Wed Apr 12 2000 Jos? Romildo Malaquias <romildo at iceb.ufop.br> 2.0beta2-1
- new version

* Wed Feb 09 2000 Jos? Romildo Malaquias <romildo at iceb.ufop.br> 1.1-1
- new version
- Redhat 6 uses smrsh, the sendmail restricted shell, for improved security.
  To get mailman to work, make a link in /etc/smrsh to mail/wrapper.
- Semi-automated configuration at install time. The installer
  only has to change configuration if the mailman administrator
  is other than root.

* Wed Sep 15 1999 Rud? Moura <ruda at conectiva.com>
- First build for Conectiva
- Adopted by Conectiva Linux


From mjn at tc.umn.edu  Wed Apr 12 15:44:40 2000
From: mjn at tc.umn.edu (mjn)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:44:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... 
In-Reply-To: <16376.955519217@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0004120827540.21580-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, J C Lawrence wrote:

> The largest list I've tried under Mailman had 140,000+ members.  It
> worked.  As for number of lists, that shouldn't be a problem in the
> slightest.

That is terrific.  I think out largest list is ~2500 members so it looks
like it can handle the load with ease

> > Any advise/wisdom you can provide would be appretiated...
> 
> If your expected traffic levels are going to be high, you are going
> to need to spend time and expertise on the choice and configuration
> of your MTA, your other local mailhosts (if you do smarthosting),
> and on some of the lower level MailMan configs relating to how the
> mail gets to an MTA.  There's nothing terribly complex in there, and
> its all been discussed here on the list (see the archives).  

We are using sendmail 8.9.x and it works just dandy for us.

My concern lies mostly with initial list configuration and the types of
list we would want to create.  

Majordomo initial config of any one list is just about as nightmarish as
you can imagine.  Is mailman any more accessible for the lay-man (ie my
boss who has very little unix experience)?  To make allowances for his
jitters and inexperience I managed so scripting on the backside of
Majordomo that just about made the process foolproof but there was still
some margin for error.

The other thing that was the types of lists we wanted.  One was an open
discussion list with the possibility for multiple moderators; which, from
what I have read, seems more than possible.  The other was a silently(ie
edit a text file) subscribed exploder list where memebers receive email
and cannot post to the list and any mail sent to the list that is not done
by a moderator is sent to the moderators; it'd also be nice if the 'who'
access was un available to anyone except moderators.  Is this type of
thing possible?  What happens to the user password portion of mailman in a
case like this?

Also, is there a central address, mailman at hostname for example, that
people can send requests too or is everything done with listname-request
addresses?  We planning on using Novell's Groupwise MTA as our hub so we
will be creating an object in NDS, not quite really, for each list so that
mail sent to the address will get forwarded out to the linux box, and if
the number of those addresses were cut in half, it would be very nice...I
am assuming this is the case but all of the mailman hosted lists I have
subscribed to, 2 of them, have used listname-request for subscribtion...

> Before you roll, you might also want to hang out briefly and await
> the Mailman 2.0 release and the first patches.  It is a significant
> improvement over the current release and is due RSN.

Thanks again for the response...

I loook forward to 2.0...everything I have seen thus far has rocked over
majordomo 1.94.5...

____________________________
Mike Neuharth
ADCS Technology Specialist
http://www.umn.edu/adcs

E-Mail		: mjn at tc.umn.edu
Page Mail	: 6123065932 at messaging.sprintpcs.com
http://nifty.dsl.visi.com/
____________________________





From makin at dnrc.bell-labs.com  Wed Apr 12 16:23:01 2000
From: makin at dnrc.bell-labs.com (Bhavnesh Makin)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:23:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit Destination
Message-ID: <38F486C5.584B133@dnrc.bell-labs.com>

How can one disable the moderator approval for post which has implicit
destination?


thanks,

bhavnesh makin




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 12 16:45:13 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:45:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... 
In-Reply-To: Message from mjn <mjn@tc.umn.edu> 
   of "Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:44:40 CDT." <Pine.SOL.4.20.0004120827540.21580-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> 
References: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0004120827540.21580-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu> 
Message-ID: <653.955550713@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:44:40 -0500 (CDT) 
mjn  <mjn at tc.umn.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> The largest list I've tried under Mailman had 140,000+ members.
>> It worked.  As for number of lists, that shouldn't be a problem
>> in the slightest.

> That is terrific.  I think out largest list is ~2500 members so it
> looks like it can handle the load with ease

It took me a while to get the MTA side tweaked well enough that I
wasn't having time-out problems, but yes, it can be done.

> The other thing that was the types of lists we wanted.  One was an
> open discussion list with the possibility for multiple moderators;
> which, from what I have read, seems more than possible.  The other
> was a silently(ie edit a text file) subscribed exploder list where
> memebers receive email and cannot post to the list and any mail
> sent to the list that is not done by a moderator is sent to the
> moderators; it'd also be nice if the 'who' access was un available
> to anyone except moderators.  Is this type of thing possible?

Yes, with the caveat that unlike Majordomo, Mailman handles all of
its moderation thru the web interface and has (essentially) no email
command interface for moderation.

> What happens to the user password portion of mailman in a case
> like this?

Still the same.

> Also, is there a central address, mailman at hostname for example,
> that people can send requests too or is everything done with
> listname-request addresses?  

You can get a general help file from the mailman at FQDN address, but
all list actions derive from -request addressing.

> We planning on using Novell's Groupwise MTA as our hub so we will
> be creating an object in NDS, not quite really, for each list so
> that mail sent to the address will get forwarded out to the linux
> box, and if the number of those addresses were cut in half, it
> would be very nice...

Sorry.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From michael at spconnect.com  Wed Apr 12 17:02:22 2000
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug
In-Reply-To: <20000412082039.A2873@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004120801430.31880-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

My apologies.

2.0b2

----

The answer to the meaning of life:
perl -e 'print$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10); '

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Ricardo Kustner wrote:

> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:20:39 +0200
> From: Ricardo Kustner <ricardo at rixhq.nu>
> To: Michael Ghens <michael at spconnect.com>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug
> 
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 06:08:59PM -0700, Michael Ghens wrote:
> >     pending.append('    %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when))
> 
> I'm no python expert but I know this should be:
> pending.append(' %s %s' % (addr, time.ctime(when)))
> 
> which version of mailman are you using?
> 
> Ricardo.
> 
> --
> 
> 




From richarde at eskom.co.za  Wed Apr 12 17:15:33 2000
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:15:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question...
Message-ID: <s8f4af40.045@eskom.co.za>

>On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, J C Lawrence wrote:
>
>Also, is there a central address, mailman at hostname for example, that
>people can send requests too or is everything done with listname-request
>addresses?  We planning on using Novell's Groupwise MTA as our hub so we
>will be creating an object in NDS, not quite really, for each list so that
>mail sent to the address will get forwarded out to the linux box, and if
>the number of those addresses were cut in half, it would be very nice...I
>am assuming this is the case but all of the mailman hosted lists I have
>subscribed to, 2 of them, have used listname-request for subscribtion...

We do the same with our Groupwise environment and it works just great. Rather get your users to subscribe via the Web interface, or alternatively, generate lists automatically from the NDS using LDAP and the sync_member command from mailman. We automagically generate numerous lists this way each evening. Our directory contains about 25000 users and it works fine.



--
Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za




From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Apr 12 17:38:43 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:38:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 2
In-Reply-To: <14575.43684.735692.298399@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us on sam, avr 08, 2000 at 05:54:44 -0400
References: <14575.43684.735692.298399@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <20000412083843.A25914@moremagic.merlins.org>

On sam, avr 08, 2000 at 05:54:44 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> I've just uploaded the Mailman 2.0 beta 2 tarball to the following
> locations:
>
> -------------------- snip snip --------------------
> - Rewritten gate_news cron script which should be more efficient and
>   avoid race and locking problems.  Each list now maintains its own

Thank you, I don't receive 30 failed lock messages a day anymore :-)

I've noticed a small problem though:
Subscribe/unsubscribe messages don't have a To: field anymore

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From mailman-owner at merlins.org  Wed Apr 12 14:39:51 2000
From: mailman-owner at merlins.org (mailman-owner at merlins.org)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 05:39:51 -0700                                           
Subject: Zark unsubscribe notification                                          
Message-ID: <200004121239.FAA13972@marc.merlins.org>                            

Unsubscribe Notification                                                        
                                                                                
                                                                                
rodrigue.mottay at lucasvarity.com has been removed from Zark. 
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From pjh at mccc.edu  Wed Apr 12 19:07:19 2000
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:07:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin's Password?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004121305500.20161-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

One of my list admin's has forgotten her password, and it
appears that I cannot assign a new one unless I know the
old one!

If that's so, how do I reset her password?

Thanks,
Pete




From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Wed Apr 12 19:14:17 2000
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unlocking a list?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004121312440.8171-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

I'm trying to up to b2 from b1 (2.0)...my make install is barfing because
it can't open the config.db file for a list...I think it must be locked or
something, as the ownership on the config.db and config.db.last files in
this case is 'nobody' instead of 'mailman'.  How do I rememdy this? (w/o
just getting the admin to change the ownership to mailman, if possible)

---
Corbett J. Klempay
Trilogy Software, Inc.
512.532.5176 (W) | 512.750.1372 (C)
corbett.klempay at trilogy.com




From rone at macromedia.com  Wed Apr 12 19:39:56 2000
From: rone at macromedia.com (Ron Echeverri)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin's Password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004121305500.20161-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu> from
 Pete Holsberg at "Apr 12, 2000 01:07:19 pm"
Message-ID: <200004121739.KAA19241@wolf.macromedia.com>

Pete Holsberg wrote:
  One of my list admin's has forgotten her password, and it
  appears that I cannot assign a new one unless I know the
  old one!
  If that's so, how do I reset her password?
  
Use the site password where you would use the list admin password.  If
you don't remember your site password, you can set a new one with
"mmsitepass".

rone
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Macromedia, Inc.		Cell:	+1-415-2547942
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From pjh at mccc.edu  Wed Apr 12 19:44:27 2000
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin's Password?
In-Reply-To: <200004121739.KAA19241@wolf.macromedia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10004121344000.21513-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Ron Echeverri wrote:

> Pete Holsberg wrote:
>   One of my list admin's has forgotten her password, and it
>   appears that I cannot assign a new one unless I know the
>   old one!
>   If that's so, how do I reset her password?
>   
> Use the site password where you would use the list admin
> password.  If you don't remember your site password, you
> can set a new one with "mmsitepass".

Poifect!!! Thanks.

Pete




From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Thu Apr 13 00:20:34 2000
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:20:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clarification
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004121819190.16245-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Further info on the problem I was having upping from 2.0b1 to b2...this is
what it says when it dies:

Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Upgrading from version 0xffffffff to 0x20000b2
Updating mailing list:  security
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 282, in ?
    dolist(list)
  File "bin/update", line 77, in dolist
    l = MailList.MailList(list)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 69, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 865, in Load
    raise Errors.MMUnknownListError, e
Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError: [Errno 13] Permission
denied: '/home/mailman/
lists/security/config.db'

---
Corbett J. Klempay
Trilogy Software, Inc.
512.532.5176 (W) | 512.750.1372 (C)
corbett.klempay at trilogy.com




From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Apr 13 02:23:31 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:23:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0b2 checkdb error
Message-ID: <20000412172331.D18895@marc.merlins.org>

----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon <root at marc.merlins.org> -----

Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:00:07 -0700
From: root at marc.merlins.org (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman at marc.merlins.org
Subject: Cron <mailman at marc> /usr/bin/python /var/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/var/local/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 52, in main
    text = text + '\n' + pending_requests(mlist)
  File "/var/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 72, in pending_requests
    pending.append('    %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when))
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
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Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Apr 13 02:37:57 2000
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:37:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.0b2 checkdb error
References: <20000412172331.D18895@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <14581.5861.551769.378730@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

Yup, I hit that one too.  Check the CVS tree; it's got the fix.

-Barry



From admin at music.vt.edu  Thu Apr 13 05:10:43 2000
From: admin at music.vt.edu (Network Admin)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:10:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Mac OS X server
Message-ID: <20000412231043.010803@mail.music.vt.edu>

Does anyone know of a successful install of Mailman onto Mac OS X Server
(AKA FreeBSD 4.4) ? 

Thanks.


~~~~~~
Michael




From pc at netlink.net.nz  Thu Apr 13 05:11:18 2000
From: pc at netlink.net.nz (pete clare)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:11:18 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: archive stops working for some lists (1.0 -> 2.0B2
Message-ID: <0f1e01bfa4f5$f02b1000$50f461cb@tcar>

>Christopher Schulte christopher at schulte.org
>Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:56:00 -0500
>
>First I tried 2.0B1, and noticed the some of my lists stopped archiving
>messages.  I upped to 2.0B2 with the same results.  One list will
>continue to archive fine, while another won't.  In cases where the
>archiving fails, I see this in error:
>
>-----
>Apr 10 13:29:20 2000 post(11513): ending
>Apr 10 18:09:22 2000 post(17224): Traceback (innermost last):
>post(17224):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line
>204, in ArchiveMail
>post(17224):     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
>post(17224):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line
>160, in __archive_to_mbox
>post(17224):     post.SetHeader('Date', time.ctime(time.time()))
>post(17224): AttributeError: SetHeader
>-----

got the same problem with my new install today, seems to error if the
archive option "Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been
sent, or to the time we resend it? (Details)" is set to "when resent".

anyone have a fix for this?

pete clare
netlink ltd




From rwuyts at vub.ac.be  Thu Apr 13 13:56:21 2000
From: rwuyts at vub.ac.be (Roel Wuyts)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:56:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multi-homing with Mailman on Linux
Message-ID: <200004131153.NAA28292@mach.vub.ac.be>

Hello,
we have succesfully been using Mailman v1.1 on Linux-x86. However, now we
would like to run mailing lists for two domains (esug.org and bsug.org) on
the same machine. So we would like to serve board at bsug.org and
board at esug.org on the same machine. We have not succeeded in doing this.
Does anybody has some ideas or pointers on doing this ?

--
Roel Wuyts                    Programming Technology Lab
rwuyts at vub.ac.be              Vrije Universiteit Brussel
http://prog.vub.ac.be/~rwuyts
Webmaster of European Smalltalk User Group: www.esug.org



From cmshields at korrnet.org  Thu Apr 13 18:11:46 2000
From: cmshields at korrnet.org (Craig Shields)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:11:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch script and bogus dates
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004131206500.17997-100000@chips.rtd.utk.edu>

We have been migrating archives using the ~mailman/bin/arch script and
have found that when the script comes across a message with a bogus date
(supplied by the MTU I guess) it rebuilds the html interface with
month/year entries that aren't valid.  On one list the archive page now
shows archives for 1905, 1914!  I'm sure other people have experienced
this, but is there an easy way to avoid this problem?  Has anyone ever
modified the 'arch' script to prevent this?

thanks,

Craig Shields
Computer/Network Technician
KORRnet, The Knoxville, Oak-Ridge Regional Network
http://www.korrnet.org




From irwanhadi at iname.com  Thu Apr 13 20:54:37 2000
From: irwanhadi at iname.com (Irwan Hadi)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Combining mailman and ezmlm
Message-ID: <4.1.20000413112914.009bc6f0@staf.bpkpenabur.or.id>

I use qmail as the MTA, and I've already installed ezmlm to serve domain
list.somesite.or.id
My question is, can I use mailman too, to serve the mailling list at
list.somesite.or.id
Because it seems mailman can give easier solution for person who just for
the first time follow a mailling list.
EZMLM has installed at /list and I have updated the /var/qmail/users/assign
to deliver all mail addressed to list.somesite.or.id to /list

BTW I read that mailman has smart detection of bounce mail
  o Smart bounce detection and correction
  o Integrated fast bulk mailing
  o Smart spam protection
My question is, how this work, since the return-path of, for example this
mailling list is 
Return-Path: <mailman-users-admin at python.org>

so if mail to subscribers were bounce, then the admin will get the bounce ?

-------
AFLHI 058009990407128029/089802---(102598//991024)



From scott at emji.net  Thu Apr 13 20:28:06 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not working???
Message-ID: <4870767.3164624886@sdhcp3.emji.net>

every time i send the reply to Mailman to subscribe my address i get the 
following error:
Apr 13 14:23:45 mailer sendmail[20725]: OAA20723: 
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wra
pper mailcmd test", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, 
stat=unknown m
ailer error 2

This seems to happen any time I'm calling the wrapper.

using sendmail 8.9.3 and these are the aliases:
## test mailing list
## created: 13-Apr-2000
test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin


I could swear this was working yesterday, but maybe not.  I'm trying to get 
this setup to replace some mj functions.  Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.

thanx

s


--
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EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From denes at ppgia.pucpr.br  Thu Apr 13 22:23:00 2000
From: denes at ppgia.pucpr.br (Alexandre Denes dos Santos)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:23:00 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not working???
In-Reply-To: <4870767.3164624886@sdhcp3.emji.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004131717280.22573-100000@hercules.ppgia.pucpr.br>

I'm having the same problem, but I get the unknown mailer error 126 every
time I try to send a message to a list.

I'm using sendmail 8.9.3 and Mailman 2.0 b2.

Cheers
Denes


On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Scott R. Every wrote:

> every time i send the reply to Mailman to subscribe my address i get the 
> following error:
> Apr 13 14:23:45 mailer sendmail[20725]: OAA20723: 
> to="|/home/mailman/mail/wra
> pper mailcmd test", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, 
> stat=unknown m
> ailer error 2
> 
> This seems to happen any time I'm calling the wrapper.
> 







From scott at emji.net  Thu Apr 13 22:53:34 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:53:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not working???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004131717280.22573-100000@hercules.ppgia.pucpr.br>
Message-ID: <278336.3164633614@adhcp31.emji.net>

check your syslog file to make sure your mail GID is setup correctly.  if 
its not refer to the INSTALL file.

s

--On Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:23 PM -0300 Alexandre Denes dos Santos 
<denes at ppgia.pucpr.br> wrote:

> I'm having the same problem, but I get the unknown mailer error 126 every
> time I try to send a message to a list.
>
> I'm using sendmail 8.9.3 and Mailman 2.0 b2.
>
> Cheers
> Denes
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Scott R. Every wrote:
>
>> every time i send the reply to Mailman to subscribe my address i get the
>> following error:
>> Apr 13 14:23:45 mailer sendmail[20725]: OAA20723:
>> to="|/home/mailman/mail/wra
>> pper mailcmd test", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog,
>> stat=unknown m
>> ailer error 2
>>
>> This seems to happen any time I'm calling the wrapper.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



--
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voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From denes at ppgia.pucpr.br  Thu Apr 13 23:06:52 2000
From: denes at ppgia.pucpr.br (Alexandre Denes dos Santos)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:06:52 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not working???
In-Reply-To: <278336.3164633614@adhcp31.emji.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004131759190.22573-100000@hercules.ppgia.pucpr.br>

I checked the syslog and there is no problem with the GID, and is not a
problem in the smrsh either. The sendmail is sending me a message that
says that the post script sent a mail to wrapper mailowner (I don't know
why) and the mailowner script is generating the error.

I will try do downgrade the wrapper and the scripts to see what happens
(Ok, it's a dumb idea, but is not working anyway ;) ).

Thanks
Denes

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Scott R. Every wrote:

> check your syslog file to make sure your mail GID is setup correctly.  if 
> its not refer to the INSTALL file.
> 
> s
> 
> --On Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:23 PM -0300 Alexandre Denes dos Santos 
> <denes at ppgia.pucpr.br> wrote:
> 
> > I'm having the same problem, but I get the unknown mailer error 126 every
> > time I try to send a message to a list.
> >
> > I'm using sendmail 8.9.3 and Mailman 2.0 b2.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Denes
> >




From kuse at transpatent.com  Fri Apr 14 07:17:12 2000
From: kuse at transpatent.com (Leif Kuse)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:17:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using old Mailadress
Message-ID: <38F6A9D8.73BF5BB1@transpatent.com>

Hi,

my Servername was "serv.freedom-for-links.de" before.
Now the anme has changed, but unfortunately mailman still thinks, that
the  address mailman-owner at serv.freedom-for-links.de ist still valid.

Creating a new list, sendmail gives the following error.

---------------------------------------------
Apr 13 23:10:08 www sendmail[1593]: XAA12931: to=<kuse at comlounge.net>,
delay=00:09:44, xdelay=00:00:54, mailer=esmtp, relay=mail.comlounge.net.
[212.117.69.10], stat=Deferred: 450
<mailman-owner at serv.freedom-for-links.de>: Sender address rejected:
Domain not found
---------------------------------------------

I have deleted the whole binary tree and recompiled the complete mailman
wthout success.

Where do I have to search for? There is no section in "mm_cfg.py"
containing this name!

Leif.



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Apr 14 01:35:29 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:35:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using old Mailadress
Message-ID: <200004132335.QAA15004@utopia.west.sun.com>

> my Servername was "serv.freedom-for-links.de" before.
> Now the anme has changed, but unfortunately mailman still thinks, that
> the  address mailman-owner at serv.freedom-for-links.de ist still valid.
> 
> I have deleted the whole binary tree and recompiled the complete mailman
> wthout success.
> 
> Where do I have to search for? There is no section in "mm_cfg.py"
> containing this name!

Try the bottom of the "General options" admin screen.

Host name this list prefers

Base URL for Mailman web interface




From mabus at eleutheros.nebulanet.net  Fri Apr 14 03:37:06 2000
From: mabus at eleutheros.nebulanet.net (mabus)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems getting cookies working
Message-ID: <20000413203706.A29781@eleutheros.nebulanet.net>

I can't seem to get cookies working right. i keep getting the annoying "Error Decoding Authorization Cookie" thing. 
I look at my netscape cookies file and see this

eleutheros.nebulanet.net:8080   FALSE   /cgi-bin/mailman/       FALSE   955686640       keytrak:admin   "(lp1\012S'38.202.255.94'\012p2\012aI955675839\012aI955686639\012aI-2111832395\012a."
.google.com     TRUE    /       FALSE   2147372012      PREF    ID=6e2f5bb92e89a365,TM=955670995


If i look at my apache clickstream log file i see

38.202.255.94.29646955674070773 POST /mailman/admin/keytrak HTTP/1.0 [13/Apr/2000:20:01:30 -0500]
38.202.255.94.29646955674070773 POST /mailman/admin/keytrak HTTP/1.0 [13/Apr/2000:20:30:40 -0500]
38.202.255.94.29646955674070773 POST /mailman/admin/keytrak HTTP/1.0 [13/Apr/2000:20:30:49 -0500]

It looks to me like the two aren't the same. This would mean an apache problem i'm guessing.
Anyone have any ideas?



From kuse at transpatent.com  Fri Apr 14 09:26:49 2000
From: kuse at transpatent.com (Leif Kuse)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:26:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using old Mailadress
References: <200004132335.QAA15004@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <38F6C839.E9111695@transpatent.com>

> 
> Try the bottom of the "General options" admin screen.
> 
> Host name this list prefers
> 

Here the Domain-Names are correct! The wrong hostname is used for the
first Mail issued, when a new list is created!

Leif.



From kuse at transpatent.com  Fri Apr 14 09:31:50 2000
From: kuse at transpatent.com (Leif Kuse)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:31:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using old Mailadress
References: <200004132335.QAA15004@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <38F6C966.ED87F257@transpatent.com>

I tried to subscribe to a list, but the confirmation message does not
leave the server because of the error below.

Again: The servername "serv.freedom-for-links.de" does not exist
anymore. It is now freedomforlinks.org, but I do not know where to
change!

Leif.


Apr 14 01:27:51 www sendmail[2136]: BAA02136:
from=<ffl-intern-request at www.freedomforlinks.org>, size=1133, class=-60,
pri=139133, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<200004132327.BAA02136 at www.freedomforlinks.org>, proto=ESMTP,
relay=wwwrun at localhost [127.0.0.1]
Apr 14 01:27:57 www sendmail[2138]: BAA02136: to=<kuse at comlounge.net>,
ctladdr=<ffl-intern-request at www.freedomforlinks.org> (503/100),
delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=esmtp, relay=mail.comlounge.net.
[212.117.69.10], stat=Deferred: 450
<ffl-intern-request at serv.freedom-for-links.de>: Sender address rejected:
Domain not found



From doug at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Fri Apr 14 05:12:32 2000
From: doug at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:12:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0b1, approvals and archives
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10004132211060.11688-100000@netdir.eng.auburn.edu>

Here's a weird one. Normal posts get to the archives. Postings that
go the the moderator for approval, and then are approved, don't seem
to be making it into the archives. Has anybody seen this? It's
a totally moderated list with an explicit list of people allowed to
post.


____________________________________________________________________________
Doug Hughes					Engineering Network Services
System/Net Admin  				Auburn University
			doug at eng.auburn.edu




From peterz at uniware.com.au  Fri Apr 14 05:32:56 2000
From: peterz at uniware.com.au (peter zhu)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:32:56 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <38F69168.5A1874B0@uniware.com.au>


Hello,


I have installed mailman software,  I have created list named
uniware.(domain name is :  webward.net.au)
I want to send one mail to all members of uniware,(mail address is:
uniware at webward.net.au)  but all members did not receive
mail. (members email address are userid at uniware.com.au, for exaple
peterz at uniware.com.au, scottd at uniware.com.au)
I have checked  uniware achives , I found this mail.
I use sendmail software, in /etc/aliases file, I added few lines
following:
mailman:        peterz at webward.net.au
mailman-owner:  mailman

uniware:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post uniware"
uniware-admin:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner uniware"

uniware-request:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd uniware"
uniware-owner:           uniware-admin

then I have excute newaliases.
Could you please give some ideas.

Thank you very much

Peter Zhu
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From admin at music.vt.edu  Fri Apr 14 06:46:27 2000
From: admin at music.vt.edu (Network Admin)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'make install' failure for Mailman
Message-ID: <20000414004627.008786@mail.music.vt.edu>

This happens with both versions  (1.1 and 2.0b2) during 'make install'
running under Mac OS X Server (FreeBSD 4.4).  PYthon 1.5.2 and the
./configure both seemed to work wonderfully.

Can anyone possibly shed some light on this?  Thanks.

.........................................................................
..........

./common.h:29: warning: could not use precompiled header
'/System/Library/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/bsd/unistd.p', because:
./common.h:29: warning: header 'sys/cdefs.h' overridden,
./common.h:29: warning:
/System/Library/Frameworks/System.framework/Headers/bsd/sys/cdefs.h
vs./System/Library/Frameworks/System.framework/PrivateHeaders/bsd/sys/cde
fs.h (within the precomp)
./common.c:26: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function)
./common.c:26: `scripts' undeclared here (not in a function)
./common.c:26: parse error before `;'
make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1
make: *** [install] Error 2

.........................................................................
..........



~~~~~~
Michael




From andyh at pavilion.co.uk  Fri Apr 14 10:14:47 2000
From: andyh at pavilion.co.uk (Andy Holyer)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:14:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message from Cron
Message-ID: <NCBBKAANOJABOPJBKCGPKEJPEHAA.andyh@pavilion.co.uk>

I tried to change the name of a mailing list, and now cron gives me this
error: I can't make head nor tail of it. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cron Daemon [mailto:root at littoralis.co.uk]
> Sent: 13 April 2000 17:00
> To: mailman at littoralis.co.uk
> Subject: Cron <mailman at www> /usr/local/bin/python
> /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 77, in ?
>     main(verbose=(len(sys.argv) > 1
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 34, in main
>     list = MailList.MailList(name, lock = 0)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 817, in Load
>     raise Errors.MMBadListError, ('Failed to unmarshal config info: '
> TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands
>

Andy Holyer, Lewes, UK.




From canau at ionia.EUnet.pt  Fri Apr 14 11:11:51 2000
From: canau at ionia.EUnet.pt (Carlos Canau)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:11:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking attachs and UUENCODE
Message-ID: <20000414101151.A21954@ionia.EUnet.pt>

	Hi *,

	I've a couple  of lists that get "Pretty  Park"ed from time to
time  and sometimes  get  some  HTML attachments.  Does  anyone got  a
quick'n'easy  way of  forcing the  messages to  be just  plain  text ?
UUENCODE should also be blocked. Want to share your tips :-) ?

	Tia,
	</canau

-- 
--




From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Fri Apr 14 11:35:38 2000
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:35:38 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems getting cookies working
In-Reply-To: <20000413203706.A29781@eleutheros.nebulanet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.1000414113206.58992a-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, mabus wrote:

> I can't seem to get cookies working right. i keep getting the annoying "Error Decoding Authorization Cookie" thing. 
> I look at my netscape cookies file and see this
> 
> eleutheros.nebulanet.net:8080   FALSE   /cgi-bin/mailman/       FALSE   955686640       keytrak:admin   "(lp1\012S'38.202.255.94'\012p2\012aI955675839\012aI955686639\012aI-2111832395\012a."
> .google.com     TRUE    /       FALSE   2147372012      PREF    ID=6e2f5bb92e89a365,TM=955670995
> 
> 
> If i look at my apache clickstream log file i see
> 
> 38.202.255.94.29646955674070773 POST /mailman/admin/keytrak HTTP/1.0 [13/Apr/2000:20:01:30 -0500]
> 38.202.255.94.29646955674070773 POST /mailman/admin/keytrak HTTP/1.0 [13/Apr/2000:20:30:40 -0500]
> 38.202.255.94.29646955674070773 POST /mailman/admin/keytrak HTTP/1.0 [13/Apr/2000:20:30:49 -0500]
> 
> It looks to me like the two aren't the same. This would mean an apache problem i'm guessing.
> Anyone have any ideas?

I guess you are using the debian packaged version of mailman... It is set
up for /cgi-bin/mailman by default because this way it doesn't need any
changes in the webserver configuration. So access the admin interface on
this url, and remove the cgi-bin part from the base url of the list so you
can access it directly thru /mailman 

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From loci at crandon.sch.bme.hu  Fri Apr 14 13:20:38 2000
From: loci at crandon.sch.bme.hu (Nemeth Lorant)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:20:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real names for users
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004141319340.28761-100000@crandon.sch.bme.hu>

Hi!

I've seen this question severally in the archives but no answers on it
(this could be my fault ;-) ). The question is: Is it possible with
mailman, to specify the real name with the mail address for a user (like
with procmail). I allready tried to add an address like this:

Myname <username at host.domain.hu>

, but it doesn't take effect.


			Thx!
					Loci





From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Fri Apr 14 15:08:51 2000
From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:08:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: (fwd) [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0b1, approvals and archives 
Message-ID: <doug-1000414080851.A1218805@netman>


---------- Forwarded message from mailman-users-admin at python.org on Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:12:32 -0500 (CDT)  -----------

>
>Here's a weird one. Normal posts get to the archives. Postings that
>go the the moderator for approval, and then are approved, don't seem
>to be making it into the archives. Has anybody seen this? It's
>a totally moderated list with an explicit list of people allowed to
>post.
>

followup: The problem also manifests itself in beta2.

I have the list set with
Must posts be approved = no
and member_posting_only = no

I have an explicit list of people who can post

However, for any post that must be approved through admindb,
it is NOT appearing in the archives. The post does appear to
make it through to the list okay, just not to the archives.
The post also appears in the <list>.mbox file, strangely
enough.

As an aside, what's the preferred way to run pipermail by hand
on the mbox to get the missing posts into the archive without
stomping on or duplicating what's already there?

Well I've been 0-5 for answers lately (5 questions in the
last few months with no followups), so here's hoping this
one is an exception. ;)

--
____________________________________________________________________________
Doug Hughes					Engineering Network Services
System/Net Admin  				Auburn University
			doug at eng.auburn.edu





From dsouthwick at gibralter.com  Fri Apr 14 16:36:31 2000
From: dsouthwick at gibralter.com (Dan Southwick)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:36:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1
Message-ID: <048d01bfa61e$d41f1620$3e04030a@gibralter.com>

Please help. I'm running mailman ver 1.1 on a redhat 6.1 box ( 450 PIII 512
Megs of ram ) and I keep getting the following error:

The original message was received at Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:31:53 -0400
from mta113.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.219]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"
    (expanded from: <prof-admin at list.internationalwhoswho.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"... unknown mailer error 1

Any help would be very helpful.

Thanks





From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Fri Apr 14 16:52:53 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:52:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python runs amok (mailman-2.0b2)
Message-ID: <20000414165253.J17457@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

Today I noticed that a mailman process is running amok:

www 17525     1 249 15:18:09 ?        56:41 /users2/local/bin/python -S /users2/mailman/scripts/driver a

I've got Python 1.5.2 an I'm running Mailman-2.0b2 on HP-UX 10.20

This happened after I had to approve a posting by a memeber, which had been
rejected due to it's excessive size (it contained a large attachment of 3.1
MB!). The mails seem to have been delivered to all members of the list he
posted to.

I used trace on the process; I got nothing but:
17525: brk(0x41232000) = 0
17525: brk(0x41233000) = 0
17525: brk(0x41234000) = 0
17525: brk(0x41235000) = 0
17525: brk(0x41236000) = 0
17525: brk(0x41237000) = 0
17525: brk(0x41238000) = 0
17525: brk(0x41239000) = 0
17525: brk(0x4123a000) = 0
17525: brk(0x4123b000) = 0
...

Then I killed the process.

In /users2/mailman/logs I couldn't find any indication of a recently touched
logfile.
-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
Real programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers are around
at 9 am, it's because they were up all night. 




From schatt at schatt.com  Fri Apr 14 19:31:15 2000
From: schatt at schatt.com (Drew Schatt)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:31:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can anyone tell me how to fix this?
Message-ID: <p04310102b51d05fcff43@[128.125.40.56]>

I get the following error message emailed to me whenever the cron job 
for checkdbs runs.  Can anyone tell me what's wrong and/or how to fix 
it? Other than this, there doesn't seem to be a problem, since 
everything seems to work.  I'm running 2.0b1.

>Your "cron" job on mira.schatt.com
>/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>
>produced the following output:
>
>Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 41, in main
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(name)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 71, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 866, in Load
>     raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
>MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

	-Drew Schatt
-- 
"We have uniformly rejected all letters and declined all discussion
upon the question of when the present century ends, as it is one of the
most absurd that can engage the public attention, and we are astonished
to find it has been the subject of so much dispute, since it appears
plain. The present century will not terminate till January 1, 1801,
unless it can be made out that 99 are 100... It is a silly, childish
discussion, and only exposes the want of brains of those who maintain a
contrary opinion to that we have stated"

                                     The Times (London), 26 December 1799



From waynes at iexalt.net  Fri Apr 14 19:40:13 2000
From: waynes at iexalt.net (Wayne Sitton)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:40:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] alerts
Message-ID: <NDBBKPDKMKAOLAHMOKALAECNCBAA.waynes@iexalt.net>

I'm trying to turn off the alert where the admin has to approve mail before
it is sent to the list.  I think I turned it off under admin, but it still
does it.  How do I turn this off?




From yua at artlover.com  Fri Apr 14 20:38:16 2000
From: yua at artlover.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:38:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable "message is too large"
Message-ID: <NNEMIBPHHKFIEJIDBFBBKELACBAA.yua@artlover.com>

how to disable "message is too large"




From richard at linsup.com  Fri Apr 14 23:31:12 2000
From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:31:12 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real names for users
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004141319340.28761-100000@crandon.sch.bme.hu>
Message-ID: <000201bfa658$c1dbbec0$0200a8c0@perch>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Nemeth Lorant
<cut>
> The question is: Is it possible with
> mailman, to specify the real name with the mail address for a user (like
> with procmail).
<cut>

I would like to have this capability....  if it exists, How?   If not, could
it be added to the wish list please?

Thanks for the great software,

Richard.




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr 15 01:05:23 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:05:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real names for users
Message-ID: <200004142305.QAA18739@utopia.west.sun.com>

If you mean "in a subscribe message" (neither of you say, so it's
really hard to tell what the actual question is), yes, you can do
that with "address=<real address>" (where the <> aren't literal).
Try sending "help" to your -request address for full syntax
of the subscribe request.

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Nemeth Lorant
> <cut>
> > The question is: Is it possible with
> > mailman, to specify the real name with the mail address for a user (like
> > with procmail).
> <cut>
> 
> I would like to have this capability....  if it exists, How?   If not, could
> it be added to the wish list please?
> 
> Thanks for the great software,
> 
> Richard.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr 15 01:06:05 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1
Message-ID: <200004142306.QAA18868@utopia.west.sun.com>

First, say you read any of the installation instructions that deal
specifically with this error, and what you tried to prove they
weren't the problem.

> Please help. I'm running mailman ver 1.1 on a redhat 6.1 box ( 450 PIII 512
> Megs of ram ) and I keep getting the following error:
> 
> The original message was received at Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:31:53 -0400
> from mta113.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.219]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"
>     (expanded from: <prof-admin at list.internationalwhoswho.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"... unknown mailer error 1
> 
> Any help would be very helpful.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr 15 01:09:42 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can anyone tell me how to fix this?
Message-ID: <200004142309.QAA19062@utopia.west.sun.com>

Try running it by hand with the -v flag:

python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs -v

You might need to be user "mailman" for this to work right.

> I get the following error message emailed to me whenever the cron job 
> for checkdbs runs.  Can anyone tell me what's wrong and/or how to fix 
> it? Other than this, there doesn't seem to be a problem, since 
> everything seems to work.  I'm running 2.0b1.
> 
> >Your "cron" job on mira.schatt.com
> >/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> >
> >produced the following output:
> >
> >Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 41, in main
> >     mlist = MailList.MailList(name)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 71, in __init__
> >     self.Load()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 866, in Load
> >     raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
> >MMBadListError: Failed to access config info




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr 15 01:10:26 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] alerts
Message-ID: <200004142310.QAA19222@utopia.west.sun.com>

What do you mean "trying to turn off the alert"?  Do you mean
you want to stop approving mail altogether, or do you just want
to stop a mail message, or what?

> I'm trying to turn off the alert where the admin has to approve mail before
> it is sent to the list.  I think I turned it off under admin, but it still
> does it.  How do I turn this off?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr 15 01:11:03 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:11:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable "message is too large"
Message-ID: <200004142311.QAA19256@utopia.west.sun.com>

I would think the obvious way would be to set the size very high.
Is that not good enough for some reason?

> how to disable "message is too large"




From michael at spconnect.com  Sat Apr 15 07:13:15 2000
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:13:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable "message is too large"
In-Reply-To: <200004142311.QAA19256@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004142209070.18546-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

Log on to the your lists admin page.

Look under general options for this config for your list:

   Maximum length in Kb of a message body. Use 0 for no limit.

Set it to the suggested 0 for no limit.

----

The answer to the meaning of life:
perl -e 'print$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10); '

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Dan Mick wrote:

> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:11:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> To: mailman-users at python.org, yua at artlover.com
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to disable "message is too large"
> 
> I would think the obvious way would be to set the size very high.
> Is that not good enough for some reason?
> 
> > how to disable "message is too large"
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From loci at crandon.sch.bme.hu  Sat Apr 15 07:34:44 2000
From: loci at crandon.sch.bme.hu (Nemeth Lorant)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:34:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real names for users
In-Reply-To: <200004142305.QAA18739@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004150728080.5505-100000@crandon.sch.bme.hu>

I mean with listproc you subscribe this way:
subscribe listname Firstname 2name

and you get a message from Villiam Tell like this:

From: Villiam Tell <villy at sherwood.idontknow.hu>
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
To:....

I need that thing to identify a user not just only with his name but with
his real name too.

I hope it's know more understandable.

			Thx to try to help:
						Loci
> 
> If you mean "in a subscribe message" (neither of you say, so it's
> really hard to tell what the actual question is), yes, you can do
> that with "address=<real address>" (where the <> aren't literal).
> Try sending "help" to your -request address for full syntax
> of the subscribe request.
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Nemeth Lorant
> > <cut>
> > > The question is: Is it possible with
> > > mailman, to specify the real name with the mail address for a user (like
> > > with procmail).
> > <cut>
> > 
> > I would like to have this capability....  if it exists, How?   If not, could
> > it be added to the wish list please?
> > 
> > Thanks for the great software,
> > 
> > Richard.
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From jtnelson at itp.innoved.org  Sat Apr 15 23:09:41 2000
From: jtnelson at itp.innoved.org (Jeff Nelson)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:09:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with new install and mmsitepass
Message-ID: <00041514283700.01088@intl>

Hi all,

I'm nearly finished following the instructions clear through to install Mailman
2.0 beta 2 on my Linux-Mandrake 6.1 Pentium system running Apache and Postfix. 
When I run mmsitepass, I get the following
series of error messages:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/bin/mmsitepass", line 32, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 31, in ?
    from Mailman import mm_cfg
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 58
    IMAGE_LOGOS = /home/httpd/icons/
                  ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax    


What am I doing wrong???
TIA.

-- 
Jeff Nelson
jtnelson at mail.wsu.edu, jtnelson at itp.innoved.org



From dank at alumni.caltech.edu  Sun Apr 16 07:50:59 2000
From: dank at alumni.caltech.edu (Dan Kegel)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:50:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] better way to search archives?
Message-ID: <38F954C3.88E05E1D@alumni.caltech.edu>

Hi,
we're using Pipermail to archive our lists, and are
searching them using htdig.  Unfortunately, htdig 
has to index the html output by Pipermail, so its
'page summary' shows all sorts of boilerplate.
In fact, the summaries are almost completely taken up by
boilerplate generated by Pipermail, so they're quite
useless for judging which hit is the best.

Worse yet, if you're searching for a word that appears
in the boilerplate (e.g. 'index' or 'thread'), you're
really out of luck.

Is there a combined search engine / list archiver that
can get around these problems?
- Dan



From dank at alumni.caltech.edu  Sun Apr 16 17:53:32 2000
From: dank at alumni.caltech.edu (Dan Kegel)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:53:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] better way to search archives?
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004161111490.9147-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <38F9E1FC.84F4C8A0@alumni.caltech.edu>

Found it, thanks.  
http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-April/004661.html

That message had several base64 attachments.
I decoded the attachments by hand using "mmdecode -u"
and have posted them at http://www.kegel.com/wilma/
to save others the trouble.
- Dan

p.s. Say, is it too much to ask that the mailman archives
provide a search engine?  Maybe something like this needs
to be integrated into the mailman distribution...

Todd Pfaff wrote:
> 
> search the mailman-users list archives for info about mhonarc, glimpse and
> wilma.  i posted a recent message about this.
> 
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Dan Kegel wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > we're using Pipermail to archive our lists, and are
> > searching them using htdig.  Unfortunately, htdig
> > has to index the html output by Pipermail, so its
> > 'page summary' shows all sorts of boilerplate.
> > In fact, the summaries are almost completely taken up by
> > boilerplate generated by Pipermail, so they're quite
> > useless for judging which hit is the best.
> >
> > Worse yet, if you're searching for a word that appears
> > in the boilerplate (e.g. 'index' or 'thread'), you're
> > really out of luck.
> >
> > Is there a combined search engine / list archiver that
> > can get around these problems?



From yua at nycap.rr.com  Mon Apr 17 00:42:57 2000
From: yua at nycap.rr.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:42:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can not do anything with posting held
In-Reply-To: <38F9E1FC.84F4C8A0@alumni.caltech.edu>
Message-ID: <NNEMIBPHHKFIEJIDBFBBMENHCBAA.yua@nycap.rr.com>

dear,

there is a message no matter what i tried (approve/reject/discard), it is
still on the database.  how could i solve it?

best,
ayu




From sclark at tpg.com.au  Mon Apr 17 04:28:17 2000
From: sclark at tpg.com.au (Stuart Clark)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:28:17 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] size of the mailing list
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000417122451.02cf23c8@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>

Hey people..

I am currently running a mailing list that has about 8000 subscribers.  We 
are just about to merge in an extra 45,000 subscribers.

I would love to hear anyones grief or hints for using Mailman v1.1 with a 
list this size.  Is there anyone out there running a larger list (for peace 
of mind's sake).

Kind regards,  Stuart.




From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Mon Apr 17 05:09:39 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:09:39 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with new install and mmsitepass
In-Reply-To: <00041514283700.01088@intl>; from jtnelson@itp.innoved.org on Sat, Apr 15, 2000 at 02:09:41PM -0700
References: <00041514283700.01088@intl>
Message-ID: <20000417120939.A11636@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Sat, Apr 15, 2000 at 02:09:41PM -0700, Jeff Nelson wrote:
> When I run mmsitepass, I get the following
> series of error messages:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
[...]
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 58
>     IMAGE_LOGOS = /home/httpd/icons/
>                   ^
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax    
> 
> What am I doing wrong???

You have customized your mm_cfg.py file, but made a Python syntax mistake.
To set IMAGE_LOGOS to a literal string, you need to enclose the string in
quotes:
     IMAGE_LOGOS = "/home/httpd/icons/"

Jim

P.S.  And that may not be what you want... since this is used in URLs to the
images, you want the base part of the URL... not of a local pathname.

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Mon Apr 17 08:29:56 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:29:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can the admin approve/reject mailings via Email?
Message-ID: <20000417082956.E14445@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

The subject says it all. Can the listadmin decide NOT to use the
Webinterface to administer the lists's basic features (like approval and
rejection of messages)?



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr 17 08:44:42 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:44:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can the admin approve/reject mailings via Email? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt@tu-bs.de> 
   of "Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:29:56 +0200." <20000417082956.E14445@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> 
References: <20000417082956.E14445@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> 
Message-ID: <27191.955953882@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:29:56 +0200 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> wrote:

> The subject says it all. Can the listadmin decide NOT to use the
> Webinterface to administer the lists's basic features (like
> approval and rejection of messages)?

Currently, no.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Mon Apr 17 08:48:28 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:48:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can the admin approve/reject mailings via Email?
In-Reply-To: <27191.955953882@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 11:44:42PM -0700
References: <20000417082956.E14445@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <R.Hildebrandt@tu-bs.de> <27191.955953882@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000417084828.H14445@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

> > The subject says it all. Can the listadmin decide NOT to use the
> > Webinterface to administer the lists's basic features (like
> > approval and rejection of messages)?
> 
> Currently, no.

I thought so. Nevertheless this would be a useful feature. Sometime I just
don't want to connect myself to the webserver for that.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
The Microsoft Torque Wrench: what do you want to shear today? 




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Mon Apr 17 08:52:56 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:52:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real names for users
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004150728080.5505-100000@crandon.sch.bme.hu>
Message-ID: <38FAB4C8.42E8F69A@west.sun.com>

Ah. Yes, I know what you mean now. I don't think there's any way to do
that with Mailman; it always strips everything but the domain address when manipulating
addresses.

Nemeth Lorant wrote:

> I mean with listproc you subscribe this way:
> subscribe listname Firstname 2name
>
> and you get a message from Villiam Tell like this:
>
> From: Villiam Tell <villy at sherwood.idontknow.hu>
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> To:....
>
> I need that thing to identify a user not just only with his name but with
> his real name too.
>
> I hope it's know more understandable.
>
>                         Thx to try to help:
>                                                 Loci
> >
> > If you mean "in a subscribe message" (neither of you say, so it's
> > really hard to tell what the actual question is), yes, you can do
> > that with "address=<real address>" (where the <> aren't literal).
> > Try sending "help" to your -request address for full syntax
> > of the subscribe request.
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > > > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Nemeth Lorant
> > > <cut>
> > > > The question is: Is it possible with
> > > > mailman, to specify the real name with the mail address for a user (like
> > > > with procmail).
> > > <cut>
> > >
> > > I would like to have this capability....  if it exists, How?   If not, could
> > > it be added to the wish list please?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the great software,
> > >
> > > Richard.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >




From hknief at auctionwatch.com  Mon Apr 17 16:19:10 2000
From: hknief at auctionwatch.com (Herman Knief)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:19:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] size of the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000417122451.02cf23c8@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004170717350.8612-100000@ned.auctionwatch.com>

I have a list with 191k members on it.  1.1 seems to handle the list fine,
although changing member options via the web interface is pretty slow.
2.0beta1 and beta2 don't seem to work when trying to send to a moderated
list that's very large though.

 - Herman

On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Stuart Clark wrote:

->Hey people..
->
->I am currently running a mailing list that has about 8000 subscribers.  We 
->are just about to merge in an extra 45,000 subscribers.
->
->I would love to hear anyones grief or hints for using Mailman v1.1 with a 
->list this size.  Is there anyone out there running a larger list (for peace 
->of mind's sake).
->
->Kind regards,  Stuart.
->
->
->------------------------------------------------------
->Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
->http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
->




From melissa.ng at amd.com  Mon Apr 17 16:49:59 2000
From: melissa.ng at amd.com (Melissa G. Ng)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling Users' passwords for mailing lists
Message-ID: <20000417094959.A18239@hendrix.amd.com>

Is it possible to create lists that to do not assign passwords to each list member?  

Thank You.
-- 
Melissa G. Ng
CAD Systems Engineering
512.602.4111



From tm at chello.at  Mon Apr 17 17:01:55 2000
From: tm at chello.at (TM)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:01:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can not do anything with posting held
Message-ID: <p0431010ab520d7cde92b@[192.168.168.11]>

>there is a message no matter what i tried (approve/reject/discard), it is
>still on the database.  how could i solve it?

I have the same problem. It seems to be in relationship to the amount 
of subscribers. The db script needs a very long time to transfer the 
mails to sendmail (or sendmail needs a long time to put the message 
in its queue). In the meantime you will get a timeout from the 
browser. So the script is aborted and the message remains in the db.
I tried to post a message from an allowed email adress to this 
moderated list, and it works (the script needed about 10 minutes to 
do the transfer to sendmail).

This is my old mail, postet a few weeks ago:
--- snipp ---
Following problem:

We installed Mailman 2.0beta1 on a Suse 6.3 Linux System (kernel 
2.2.14, sendmail 8.9.3, python 1.5.2, smp machine). Everything worked 
fine (except the archive, but this has time ;)

After adding about 700 users to one of the lists, the users got the 
welcome messages. A few mails are still in sendmail queue because of 
delivery problems.

When i try now to post a message to this list (moderated), i get the 
authorization mail. After klicking approve and submit on the web 
page, nothing happens. No mail, no new page.

ps axw:
579 ?	S	0:01 /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver/admindb
580 ?	Z	0:00 [python <defunct>]

On another mailing list with only a few users (same server), 
everything works fine.

Any ideas?
--- snap ---

Thanks 4 help - Tom
-- 


---
This e-mail message is 100% electronically degradeable and Micro$oft-free.



From yua at artlover.com  Mon Apr 17 17:09:52 2000
From: yua at artlover.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:09:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling Users' passwords for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20000417094959.A18239@hendrix.amd.com>
Message-ID: <NNEMIBPHHKFIEJIDBFBBGEOFCBAA.yua@artlover.com>

> Is it possible to create lists that to do not assign passwords to 
> each list member?  

Do not send a welcome message.

ayu



From jcmllc at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 17 17:17:21 2000
From: jcmllc at earthlink.net (Pepper-Emporium)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:17:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <009501bfa880$0ce24960$02ec85ce@default>

Hello,

I am a previous Mailman list administrator and have deleted the program. However, I am getting Python questions about every 2 minutes from other users. Could you remove my address from the list that generates these e-mails?

The name of my list was "hotlist"

Thanks,

Greg Jenks

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From peris at inf.uji.es  Mon Apr 17 17:19:01 2000
From: peris at inf.uji.es (Guillermo Peris Ripolles)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:19:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and MHonArc ... again!
Message-ID: <38FB2B65.B413CAC6@inf.uji.es>

Hi:

I am still trying to configure mailman so that the
external archiver used is MHonArc. It works, but I
have lost the previous configuration where the initial
page wan an idexed of months. Now, my initial archive
page is just the list of the mails (with a date header)
and there is no month index. Should I make some 
changes in mailman configuration, or in MHonArc? 
Waht changes?

Thank you for your help,	Guillermo
-- 
Guillermo Peris Ripolles.     
Unitat Pre-Dpt. d'Informatica  
Area de Llenguatges i Sistemes 
Universitat Jaume I           
Tfno: (964) 72 83 30         
e-mail: peris at inf.uji.es     
Web: http://www3.uji.es/~peris  (Nueva peich)



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Mon Apr 17 17:31:13 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:31:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling Users' passwords for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <NNEMIBPHHKFIEJIDBFBBGEOFCBAA.yua@artlover.com>; from Alex Yu on Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 11:09:52AM -0400
References: <20000417094959.A18239@hendrix.amd.com> <NNEMIBPHHKFIEJIDBFBBGEOFCBAA.yua@artlover.com>
Message-ID: <20000417103113.J31768@mallorn.com>

> > Is it possible to create lists that to do not assign passwords to 
> > each list member?  
> 
> Do not send a welcome message.

They still won't be able to change their personal settings without the
password.

Currently, no, there's no way to disable passwords.

Chris



From melissa.ng at amd.com  Mon Apr 17 17:54:48 2000
From: melissa.ng at amd.com (Melissa G. Ng)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:54:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling Users' passwords for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20000417103113.J31768@mallorn.com>; from Christopher P. Lindsey on Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 10:31:13AM -0500
References: <20000417094959.A18239@hendrix.amd.com> <NNEMIBPHHKFIEJIDBFBBGEOFCBAA.yua@artlover.com> <20000417103113.J31768@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <20000417105448.G18239@hendrix.amd.com>

On Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 10:31:13AM -0500, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:
> > > Is it possible to create lists that to do not assign passwords to 
> > > each list member?  
> > 
> > Do not send a welcome message.
> 
> They still won't be able to change their personal settings without the
> password.
> 
> Currently, no, there's no way to disable passwords.
> 
Is there a way to make the passwords the same for all list members?  Or to have all list members have the same passwords on all the lists they are subscribed to?

We will be generating dozens of lists, some of them will have the same members.  They would like to either

	1) Not have passwords, or
	2) Have the same passwords on all lists, or
	3) Everyone have the same password on the list

Thank you.  Any help you can give me will be most welcome.



From j.rogerson at edscout.net  Mon Apr 17 20:43:41 2000
From: j.rogerson at edscout.net (Johnpaul Rogerson)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:43:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install trouble
Message-ID: <001501bfa89c$db1f9d70$7f8875c2@tardis>

Hi i just tried to install mailman but got this error 

checking permissions on /home/mailman... configure: error:
***** Installation directory /home/mailman is not configured properly!
***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /home/mailman   

How do i set th Set-gid 

I am using redhat 6 python 1.5.2 
and new at this.

Help please 


JP
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From amber at stargate.net  Mon Apr 17 20:57:17 2000
From: amber at stargate.net (Amber R. Wolfe)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:57:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install trouble
References: <001501bfa89c$db1f9d70$7f8875c2@tardis>
Message-ID: <38FB5E8D.9F10D0C1@stargate.net>

> Johnpaul Rogerson wrote:
> 
> Hi i just tried to install mailman but got this error
> 
> checking permissions on /home/mailman... configure: error:
> ***** Installation directory /home/mailman is not configured properly!
> ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /home/mailman
> 
> How do i set th Set-gid
> 
> I am using redhat 6 python 1.5.2
> and new at this.
> 
> Help please
> 

In the version that I have, the instructions are located in the INSTALL
file.

***

      Make sure this directory is set to group `mailman' and has the
      setgid bit set.  You probably also want to guarantee that this
      directory is read and executeable by everyone. For example,
      these shell commands will accomplish this:

          % cd $prefix
          % chgrp mailman .
          % chmod a+rx,g+ws .

      You are now ready to configure and install the Mailman software.

***

I am running Version 1.1, but I would think that it would be the same in
most, if not, all of them.

Hope this hopes.

> 
> JP

-- 
--Amber
amber at stargate.net



From bolen at hcs.harvard.edu  Tue Apr 18 01:58:28 2000
From: bolen at hcs.harvard.edu (britt)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:58:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news & news-to-mail problems
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10004171950110.3257-100000@hcs.harvard.edu>

I'm running a mailman 2.0b2 setup on a Digital Unix machine.  We're seeing
problems with getting duplicate emails on the list.  The list is gated
both ways from a news group hosted on a seperate Digial Unix system.

It seems that when a user mails the list, that message is gated to the
newsgroup.  Then when cron kicks in, it picks up that post, and mails it
back to the list.   The cycle ends here, our newsgroup is only showing one
copy of each post.

my mta is sendmail 8.9.3, my news server is InterNetNews NNRP server INN
1.7 16-Oct-1997  (hrm, i wonder if INN is the issue...)

the only error I'm seeing is in the "error" file i get one error identical
to this for each message.

Apr 17 19:45:25 2000 (21507) (ToUsenet) NNTP error for list "hcs-discuss":
441 435 Duplicate

I also seem a similar 435 Duplicate error in the news syslogs.

nothing else appears out of the ordinary

any ideas?

thanks a ton,

Britt
Unix geek, Harvard Computer Society

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From bolen at hcs.harvard.edu  Tue Apr 18 02:47:05 2000
From: bolen at hcs.harvard.edu (britt)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:47:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-to-news & news-to-mail problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10004171950110.3257-100000@hcs.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10004172046320.3257-100000@hcs.harvard.edu>

On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, britt wrote:

> my mta is sendmail 8.9.3, my news server is InterNetNews NNRP server INN
> 1.7 16-Oct-1997  (hrm, i wonder if INN is the issue...)

yup, INNd 1.7 was the problem, gating to a server running 1.7.2 had no
problems.

B

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From maren at leizaola.com  Tue Apr 18 09:49:45 2000
From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:49:45 +0800 (Taipei Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] V2.02b don't touch it for production.
In-Reply-To: <20000415160006.C2B2D1CD50@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.20.0004181544330.-266637@hades.leizaola.com>

Hi,
	This version has really let me down after spending 20 hours
desperately trying to put an announcement out it totally failed. I am
going back to version 1. or some other program.

Can this program handle a list of 1800 e-mail addresses?

When you post a message into the list it python sits there idle and the
wrapper does very little for a few hours.

Also when you update the privacy options or whether a list is public it
updates as it pleases.

Of course, no errors, nothing in the logs, no e-mails reports. check_perms
is fine, check_db is fine.

Maren.




From lost at FleX.uz  Tue Apr 18 12:08:13 2000
From: lost at FleX.uz (Roman Terleev)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:08:13 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not work!
Message-ID: <20000418150813.A5733@c0p.UFN.net>

I installed Mailman 1.1 on a Red Hat 5.2 Linux System (kernel
2.2.14, postfix-19991231-pl04, python 1.5.1). Everything worked
fine.

All work a long time, nearly 5 month, and of late appear next problem:
when i try now to post a message to this list (moderated), or
post message users from my listserv i get the authorization mail. After 
klicking approve and submit on the web page, nothing happens. 
No mail, no new page and appear screen password again.
And if i try change options from 'mailing list configuration' on the web page,
when also appear screen password again.
What happened?

Any ideas?
My listserver don't work six days! Help please.

-- 
===============================================================================
Roman Terleev 						   System Administrator
e-Mail: <lost at FreeNET.uz>				phone: +998 712 1332446
IREX/FreeNET/IATP					fax:   +998 712 67 5258
Tashkent, Uzbekistan					cell:  +998 71 100 2323
===============================================================================



From rullfig at uchicago.edu  Tue Apr 18 16:50:14 2000
From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:50:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages getting sent
Message-ID: <38FC7626.2B648576@uchicago.edu>

We're still using 1.0rc2. Were there any bugs related to
duplicate messages being sent out, possibly related to
multi-part messages? We have this problem and are trying to
determine the cause.

--
Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu
Systems Administrator
Networking Services and Information Technologies
University of Chicago



From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Tue Apr 18 18:37:32 2000
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:37:32 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages getting sent
In-Reply-To: <38FC7626.2B648576@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.1000418183624.58992z-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Roberto Ullfig wrote:

> 
> We're still using 1.0rc2. Were there any bugs related to
> duplicate messages being sent out, possibly related to
> multi-part messages? We have this problem and are trying to
> determine the cause.

I've noticed some duplicate messages, which come always exactly when
run_queue runs. It seems that locking is not done properly in
mailman/data, and a mail gets delivered both by the standard deliverer,
and the run_queue script... 

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From dave at biojazz.com  Tue Apr 18 21:22:48 2000
From: dave at biojazz.com (David Vaught-Alexander)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:22:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-request@... mail address nonexistent?
Message-ID: <BMEEKLNPPCKJCDLIGEHBMEANCJAA.dave@biojazz.com>

GlacierHello,

I just installed mailman (1.0-1 rpm from RedHat's secure server CD)) for the
first time. Everything appeared to be going smoothly until I attempted to
subscribe to a list. The email is being sent to list-request at mydomain.com
(where list is the list name). I assume here that any subscribing or other
interactions with the list functions are to be sent to the list name with
"-request" appended to the list name. Anyway, my server (RedHat Linux 6.1)
doesn't recognize that as a valid email address. IOW, it bounces.

Can anyone tell me how to  fix this? Is it a matter of adding some more to
my /etc/aliases file?

thanks

p.s. other than this problem, installation was a breeze and the features
appear to be just what I was looking for.



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From tm at chello.at  Tue Apr 18 21:18:35 2000
From: tm at chello.at (TM)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:18:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not work! -- WHERE ARE THE DEVELOPERS????
In-Reply-To: <20000418150813.A5733@c0p.UFN.net>
References: <20000418150813.A5733@c0p.UFN.net>
Message-ID: <p04310104b5226467d8a8@[192.168.168.11]>

>I installed Mailman 1.1 on a Red Hat 5.2 Linux System (kernel
>2.2.14, postfix-19991231-pl04, python 1.5.1). Everything worked
>fine.
>
>All work a long time, nearly 5 month, and of late appear next problem:
>when i try now to post a message to this list (moderated), or
>post message users from my listserv i get the authorization mail. After
>klicking approve and submit on the web page, nothing happens.
>No mail, no new page and appear screen password again.
>And if i try change options from 'mailing list configuration' on the web page,
>when also appear screen password again.
>What happened?
>
>Any ideas?
>My listserver don't work six days! Help please.

I posted the same problem about 2 weeks ago, Alex Yu a few days ago.

CAN ANYBODY HELP???

Thnxs - Tom


Alex Yu wrote:
>>there is a message no matter what i tried (approve/reject/discard), it is
>>still on the database.  how could i solve it?

>TM wrote:
>I have the same problem. It seems to be in relationship to the 
>amount of subscribers. The db script needs a very long time to 
>transfer the mails to sendmail (or sendmail needs a long time to put 
>the message in its queue). In the meantime you will get a timeout 
>from the browser. So the script is aborted and the message remains 
>in the db.
>I tried to post a message from an allowed email adress to this 
>moderated list, and it works (the script needed about 10 minutes to 
>do the transfer to sendmail).
>
>This is my old mail, postet a few weeks ago:
>--- snipp ---
>Following problem:
>
>We installed Mailman 2.0beta1 on a Suse 6.3 Linux System (kernel 
>2.2.14, sendmail 8.9.3, python 1.5.2, smp machine). Everything 
>worked fine (except the archive, but this has time ;)
>
>After adding about 700 users to one of the lists, the users got the 
>welcome messages. A few mails are still in sendmail queue because of 
>delivery problems.
>
>When i try now to post a message to this list (moderated), i get the 
>authorization mail. After klicking approve and submit on the web 
>page, nothing happens. No mail, no new page.
>
>ps axw:
>579 ?	S	0:01 /usr/bin/python -S 
>/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver/admindb
>580 ?	Z	0:00 [python <defunct>]
>
>On another mailing list with only a few users (same server), 
>everything works fine.
>
>Any ideas?
>--- snap ---
>
>Thanks 4 help - Tom
>--
-- 


---
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From amber at stargate.net  Tue Apr 18 21:24:14 2000
From: amber at stargate.net (Amber R. Wolfe)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:24:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-request@... mail address nonexistent?
References: <BMEEKLNPPCKJCDLIGEHBMEANCJAA.dave@biojazz.com>
Message-ID: <38FCB65E.46BEA3A1@stargate.net>

> David Vaught-Alexander wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I just installed mailman (1.0-1 rpm from RedHat's secure server CD))
> for the first time. Everything appeared to be going smoothly until I
> attempted to subscribe to a list. The email is being sent to
> list-request at mydomain.com (where list is the list name). I assume here
> that any subscribing or other interactions with the list functions are
> to be sent to the list name with "-request" appended to the list name.
> Anyway, my server (RedHat Linux 6.1) doesn't recognize that as a valid
> email address. IOW, it bounces.
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to  fix this? Is it a matter of adding some
> more to my /etc/aliases file?
> 
> thanks
> 
> p.s. other than this problem, installation was a breeze and the
> features appear to be just what I was looking for.
> 
> 
> 

I am not sure if the same thing applies to sendmail (I am running QMail
with no sendmail alias file) but I have to manually add the alias
entries ... There is a script included that does it, it only has to be
modified slightly.

Are you running QMail or sendmail?

-- 
--Amber
amber at stargate.net



From temple at is.asu.edu  Tue Apr 18 22:39:10 2000
From: temple at is.asu.edu (temple at is.asu.edu)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:39:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains
In-Reply-To: <20000418195842.50CA81CE62@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004181319510.19406-100000@is.asu.edu>

How do I force the mail coming from mailman to the users to use a virtual
domain rather than the host machines real name?  For example; say I have a
machine with the name realhost.org.  On it I am virually hosting the name
virthost.org. I want to run a list called test on the virthost.org.  This
all works find. Users can send mail to test at virthost.org and all is well.
But when they receive mail from the list, it shows a TO: line that
indicated realhost.org i.e

From: joeshmow at blablabla.com
To: test at realhost.org

If a user replies to this, the reply address shows up as realhost.org. It
still works of course, but it isnt' pretty. I want it to show up as
TO: test at virthost.org.

I am using sendmail on Linux.  In my case, virthost.org would show up in
the DNS as an alias:

>nslookup virthost.org

Name:    realhost.org
Address:  ###.###.###
Aliases:  virthost.org

I have also put virthost.org in the "Host name this list prefers" element
of the test list.  

Thanks

-Temple





From cyeo at horizon.sk.ca  Tue Apr 18 22:27:32 2000
From: cyeo at horizon.sk.ca (Chris Yeo)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:27:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains
Message-ID: <03FAD7796512D411BE0E00A0CC5A641025CD@PLUTO>

Hi,

One way to do it, is to change the domain information on the first page of
the configuration near the bottom.

This is the way I have mine setup.  It might even be worthwhile to be able
to set the email address (in full) as something that can only be done on the
command line.  This would allow administrators to create email addresses at
will for the virtual domains.

Chris Yeo
Network Specialist
Horizon Computer Solutions
Ph: 306-665-5666

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	temple at is.asu.edu [SMTP:temple at is.asu.edu]
	Sent:	Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:39 PM
	To:	mailman-users at python.org
	Subject:	[Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains

	How do I force the mail coming from mailman to the users to use a
virtual
	domain rather than the host machines real name?  For example; say I
have a
	machine with the name realhost.org.  On it I am virually hosting the
name
	virthost.org. I want to run a list called test on the virthost.org.
This
	all works find. Users can send mail to test at virthost.org and all is
well.
	But when they receive mail from the list, it shows a TO: line that
	indicated realhost.org i.e

	From: joeshmow at blablabla.com
	To: test at realhost.org

	If a user replies to this, the reply address shows up as
realhost.org. It
	still works of course, but it isnt' pretty. I want it to show up as
	TO: test at virthost.org.

	I am using sendmail on Linux.  In my case, virthost.org would show
up in
	the DNS as an alias:

	>nslookup virthost.org

	Name:    realhost.org
	Address:  ###.###.###
	Aliases:  virthost.org

	I have also put virthost.org in the "Host name this list prefers"
element
	of the test list.  

	Thanks

	-Temple



	------------------------------------------------------
	Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
	http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From temple at is.asu.edu  Tue Apr 18 22:51:14 2000
From: temple at is.asu.edu (temple at is.asu.edu)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:51:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains
In-Reply-To: <03FAD7796512D411BE0E00A0CC5A641025CD@PLUTO>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004181349420.19406-100000@is.asu.edu>

Thanks for the quick response!

Unfortunately the domain information on the first page near the bottom is
the "Host name this list prefers." field which I have already set to the
virtual domain name. It still shows up as the real host name on the TO
line.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Chris Yeo wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> One way to do it, is to change the domain information on the first page of
> the configuration near the bottom.
> 
> This is the way I have mine setup.  It might even be worthwhile to be able
> to set the email address (in full) as something that can only be done on the
> command line.  This would allow administrators to create email addresses at
> will for the virtual domains.
> 
> Chris Yeo
> Network Specialist
> Horizon Computer Solutions
> Ph: 306-665-5666
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From:	temple at is.asu.edu [SMTP:temple at is.asu.edu]
> 	Sent:	Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> 	To:	mailman-users at python.org
> 	Subject:	[Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains
> 
> 	How do I force the mail coming from mailman to the users to use a
> virtual
> 	domain rather than the host machines real name?  For example; say I
> have a
> 	machine with the name realhost.org.  On it I am virually hosting the
> name
> 	virthost.org. I want to run a list called test on the virthost.org.
> This
> 	all works find. Users can send mail to test at virthost.org and all is
> well.
> 	But when they receive mail from the list, it shows a TO: line that
> 	indicated realhost.org i.e
> 
> 	From: joeshmow at blablabla.com
> 	To: test at realhost.org
> 
> 	If a user replies to this, the reply address shows up as
> realhost.org. It
> 	still works of course, but it isnt' pretty. I want it to show up as
> 	TO: test at virthost.org.
> 
> 	I am using sendmail on Linux.  In my case, virthost.org would show
> up in
> 	the DNS as an alias:
> 
> 	>nslookup virthost.org
> 
> 	Name:    realhost.org
> 	Address:  ###.###.###
> 	Aliases:  virthost.org
> 
> 	I have also put virthost.org in the "Host name this list prefers"
> element
> 	of the test list.  
> 
> 	Thanks
> 
> 	-Temple
> 
> 
> 
> 	------------------------------------------------------
> 	Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> 	http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From cyeo at horizon.sk.ca  Tue Apr 18 22:43:31 2000
From: cyeo at horizon.sk.ca (Chris Yeo)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:43:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains
Message-ID: <03FAD7796512D411BE0E00A0CC5A641025CE@PLUTO>

Shoot... I didn't even test that on my server, and I didn't even read your
message (fully)...  I think it is just about time to wake up and smell the
coffee!

Chris Yeo
Network Specialist
Horizon Computer Solutions
Ph: 306-665-5666

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	temple at is.asu.edu [SMTP:temple at is.asu.edu]
	Sent:	Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:51 PM
	To:	Chris Yeo
	Cc:	mailman-users at python.org
	Subject:	RE: [Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains

	Thanks for the quick response!

	Unfortunately the domain information on the first page near the
bottom is
	the "Host name this list prefers." field which I have already set to
the
	virtual domain name. It still shows up as the real host name on the
TO
	line.

	On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Chris Yeo wrote:

	> Hi,
	> 
	> One way to do it, is to change the domain information on the first
page of
	> the configuration near the bottom.
	> 
	> This is the way I have mine setup.  It might even be worthwhile to
be able
	> to set the email address (in full) as something that can only be
done on the
	> command line.  This would allow administrators to create email
addresses at
	> will for the virtual domains.
	> 
	> Chris Yeo
	> Network Specialist
	> Horizon Computer Solutions
	> Ph: 306-665-5666
	> 
	> 	-----Original Message-----
	> 	From:	temple at is.asu.edu [SMTP:temple at is.asu.edu]
	> 	Sent:	Tuesday, April 18, 2000 2:39 PM
	> 	To:	mailman-users at python.org
	> 	Subject:	[Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains
	> 
	> 	How do I force the mail coming from mailman to the users to
use a
	> virtual
	> 	domain rather than the host machines real name?  For
example; say I
	> have a
	> 	machine with the name realhost.org.  On it I am virually
hosting the
	> name
	> 	virthost.org. I want to run a list called test on the
virthost.org.
	> This
	> 	all works find. Users can send mail to test at virthost.org and
all is
	> well.
	> 	But when they receive mail from the list, it shows a TO:
line that
	> 	indicated realhost.org i.e
	> 
	> 	From: joeshmow at blablabla.com
	> 	To: test at realhost.org
	> 
	> 	If a user replies to this, the reply address shows up as
	> realhost.org. It
	> 	still works of course, but it isnt' pretty. I want it to
show up as
	> 	TO: test at virthost.org.
	> 
	> 	I am using sendmail on Linux.  In my case, virthost.org
would show
	> up in
	> 	the DNS as an alias:
	> 
	> 	>nslookup virthost.org
	> 
	> 	Name:    realhost.org
	> 	Address:  ###.###.###
	> 	Aliases:  virthost.org
	> 
	> 	I have also put virthost.org in the "Host name this list
prefers"
	> element
	> 	of the test list.  
	> 
	> 	Thanks
	> 
	> 	-Temple
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 	------------------------------------------------------
	> 	Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
	> 	http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
	> 
	> ------------------------------------------------------
	> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
	> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
	> 



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Apr 18 23:10:10 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:10:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why is it rejecting this email?
Message-ID: <20000418171010.A32620@xcski.com>

There is a guy on one of my mailing lists, and everytime he posts it
rejects it as if he were not on the list.  And it sends a bounce, but
instead of sending it to his email address, it sends it to a somewhat
corrupt version of his full name.  Then I get a bounce saying that
"charlesa.lieberman at xcski.com" isn't a valid email address, which it
isn't.  I've checked, and he doesn't have a "Sender" line.  His "From:"
looks perfectly legitimate:

:From: Charles A.Lieberman <yvrorezn at voicenet.com>

Is mailman choking on the period in his full name or something?

Here are the full headers:

:From owner-faq-admin at xcski.com  Mon Apr 17 21:01:05 2000
:Return-Path: <owner-faq-admin at xcski.com>
:Delivered-To: faq-admin at xcski.com
:Received: from sn.tzolkin.com (sn.tzolkin.com [207.244.122.130])
:        by allhats.xcski.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CBD9D4545A
:        for <faq-admin at xcski.com>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:01:01 -0400 (EDT)
:Received: (qmail 20636 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2000 01:01:08 -0000
:Received: from nycdialup103.voicenet.com (209.71.79.163)
:  by mail13.voicenet.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 01:01:08 -0000
:From: Charles A.Lieberman <yvrorezn at voicenet.com>
:To: faq-admin at xcski.com
:Subject: Re: [Faq-admin] [OT] http://meanyheads.org/
:Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:03:09 -0400
:X-Former-Sender: yvrorezn at voicenet.com
:Organization: Lieberman Usenet Content Creation, Inc.
:Message-ID: <32dnfssdd6s6evp7ljc3kcr5e3ts3rki80 at 4ax.com>
:References: <20000414153010.A10366 at staff.uiuc.edu>
:In-Reply-To: <20000414153010.A10366 at staff.uiuc.edu>
:X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534
:MIME-Version: 1.0
:Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
:Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
:X-SpamBouncer: 1.1 (4/17/00)
:X-SBNote: From Admin
:X-SBNote: FROM_DAEMON/Listserv
:X-SBPass: No Freemail Filtering
:X-SBClass: Admin

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
To iterate is human; to recurse, is divine.



From melissa.ng at amd.com  Tue Apr 18 23:42:49 2000
From: melissa.ng at amd.com (Melissa G. Ng)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:42:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default passwords
Message-ID: <20000418164249.B5168@hendrix.amd.com>

Is it possible to set the password for all users on a list to a default password?
-- 
Melissa G. Ng
CAD Systems Engineering
512.602.4111



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Apr 18 23:54:21 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:54:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default passwords
In-Reply-To: <20000418164249.B5168@hendrix.amd.com>; from Melissa G. Ng on Tue, Apr 18, 2000 at 04:42:49PM -0500
References: <20000418164249.B5168@hendrix.amd.com>
Message-ID: <20000418165421.A16803@mallorn.com>

> Is it possible to set the password for all users on a list to a default password?

Not without manual intervention on the administrator's part.  He or she
can go in and change the user's password after they've been added, but
that's about it.

It probably wouldn't be a big deal to add a --password= flag to 
$prefix/bin/add_members, though.

Chris



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Apr 19 00:47:23 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:47:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why is it rejecting this email?
In-Reply-To: <20000418171010.A32620@xcski.com>; from ptomblin@xcski.com on mar, avr 18, 2000 at 05:10:10 -0400
References: <20000418171010.A32620@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <20000418154723.C4497@marc.merlins.org>

On mar, avr 18, 2000 at 05:10:10 -0400, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> There is a guy on one of my mailing lists, and everytime he posts it
> rejects it as if he were not on the list.  And it sends a bounce, but
> instead of sending it to his email address, it sends it to a somewhat
> corrupt version of his full name.  Then I get a bounce saying that
> "charlesa.lieberman at xcski.com" isn't a valid email address, which it
> isn't.  I've checked, and he doesn't have a "Sender" line.  His "From:"
> looks perfectly legitimate:
> 
> :From: Charles A.Lieberman <yvrorezn at voicenet.com>
> 
> Is mailman choking on the period in his full name or something?

I believe so.

I had this problem with someone else who had a '.' in the gecos field a long
time ago (mm 1.0rc2). The fix was to remove the dot :-)
(in my case mailman complained that he wasn't a member of the list)

The bug may still be around

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Apr 19 02:03:30 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:03:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why is it rejecting this email?
In-Reply-To: <20000418154723.C4497@marc.merlins.org>
References: <20000418171010.A32620@xcski.com> <20000418154723.C4497@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20000418200330.B6182@xcski.com>

Quoting Marc Merlin (marc_news at valinux.com):
> On mar, avr 18, 2000 at 05:10:10 -0400, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> > There is a guy on one of my mailing lists, and everytime he posts it
> > rejects it as if he were not on the list.  And it sends a bounce, but
> I had this problem with someone else who had a '.' in the gecos field a long
> time ago (mm 1.0rc2). The fix was to remove the dot :-)
> (in my case mailman complained that he wasn't a member of the list)

Yeah, that happens too.


-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"As Canadian as possible, under the circumstances"



From dave at geol.ucsb.edu  Wed Apr 19 02:33:42 2000
From: dave at geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Robbins)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy Options
Message-ID: <200004190033.RAA24073@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>

Hi,

Anyone know if its possible to use just a hostname (to allow any user
from a specified host) to post to a list in the admin's Privacy Options
under:

   "Addresses of members accepted 
    for posting to this list 
    without implicit approval requirement."

We have a campus emergency list but the admin of it can't give me
particular names from his specific host to enter in the form.
Thanks for any help.

Dave Robbins



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Apr 19 02:40:58 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:40:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why is it rejecting this email?
Message-ID: <200004190041.RAA04020@utopia.west.sun.com>

> > :From: Charles A.Lieberman <yvrorezn at voicenet.com>
> > 
> > Is mailman choking on the period in his full name or something?
> 
> I believe so.

I believe that's an illegal 822 address.  I'm no expert, but my
casual reading shows that 'phrase' is allowed before the <> part,
and 'phrase' is one or more 'word's, and 'word' may not include a
special without being quoted.

A properly-formed address would be, I believe,

"Charles A.Lieberman" <yvrorezn at voicenet.com>

I don't know if Mailman would handle this better or not.




From sclark at tpg.com.au  Wed Apr 19 04:46:03 2000
From: sclark at tpg.com.au (Stuart Clark)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:46:03 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000419120717.02cf55f8@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>

I am running Mailman 1.1 on BSD 2.2.6

I have read that the "unknown mail error 1" is due to a segmentation fault 
in the sendmail mailer (Mailman's wrapper).  This occurred at a time when 
the machine had a load of about 6.0 (very high for this machine) and 
probably ran out of FD's.  It was a single mail to a moderated mailing list 
and using a num_spawn of 5. I do not know alot about BSD and mainly use 
Linux for my other high end boxes.  The mailer below works normally at 
other times.

Apr 18 17:42:30 lists sendmail[2891]: RAA02874: RAA02891: postmaster 
notify: unknown mailer error 1
Apr 18 17:42:29 lists sendmail[2665]: RAA02578: 
to="|/usr/src/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner boomerangtv", delay=00:02:33, 
xdelay=00:02:26, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 1

I have now enabled the QueueLA function in Sendmail to queue messages when 
the load exceeds a load of 3!! and have decreased the num_spawn for the 
mailinglist to 2.

I wonder if there are any other performance tips (like ulimit) I can use on 
this machine while I consider faster hardware and an OS I am more used to.

Thanks, Stuart.

   Stuart Clark                              sclark at tpg.com.au
_______________________________________________________________
   System Administration Supervisor
  (02) 9850 0907

   TPG Internet
  www.tpg.com.au 



From sclark at tpg.com.au  Wed Apr 19 05:30:46 2000
From: sclark at tpg.com.au (Stuart Clark)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:30:46 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pid 3092 (python), uid 1, was killed: out of swap space
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000419132827.012dfef8@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>

I am running Mailman 1.1 on BSD 2.2.6

I have read that the "unknown mail error 1" is due to a segmentation fault 
in the sendmail mailer (Mailman's wrapper).  This occurred at a time when 
the machine had a load of about 6.0 (very high for this machine) and 
probably ran out of FD's.  It was a single mail to a moderated mailing list 
and using a num_spawn of 5. I do not know alot about BSD and mainly use 
Linux for my other high end boxes.  The mailer below works normally at 
other times.

Apr 18 17:42:30 lists sendmail[2891]: RAA02874: RAA02891: postmaster 
notify: unknown mailer error 1
Apr 18 17:42:29 lists sendmail[2665]: RAA02578: 
to="|/usr/src/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner boomerangtv", delay=00:02:33, 
xdelay=00:02:26, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 1

I have now enabled the QueueLA function in Sendmail to queue messages when 
the load exceeds a load of 3!! and have decreased the num_spawn for the 
mailinglist to 2.

I wonder if there are any other performance tips (like ulimit) I can use on 
this machine while I consider faster hardware and an OS I am more used to.


Also the following was reported by dmesg (kernal messages)

swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 3092 (python), uid 1, was killed: out of swap space
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 3147 (python), uid 65534, was killed: out of swap space
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
proc: table is full
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 3139 (python), uid 1, was killed: out of swap space
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 3405 (python), uid 1007, was killed: out of swap space
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 3549 (python), uid 65534, was killed: out of swap space
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 3950 (python), uid 1, was killed: out of swap space
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 4214 (python), uid 1, was killed: out of swap space
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 4142 (python), uid 1, was killed: out of swap space
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 10537 (python), uid 65534, was killed: out of swap space
pid 10537 (python), uid 65534, was killed: out of swap space
swap_pager: out of swap space
pid 10667 (python), uid 65534, was killed: out of swap space


Thanks, Stuart.

   Stuart Clark                              sclark at tpg.com.au
_______________________________________________________________
   System Administration Supervisor
  (02) 9850 0907

   TPG Internet
  www.tpg.com.au 



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Wed Apr 19 10:14:36 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:14:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtually hosted domains 
In-Reply-To: Message from <temple@is.asu.edu> 
   of "Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:51:14 PDT." <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004181349420.19406-100000@is.asu.edu> 
Message-ID: <E12hpd6-0006Bd-00@rioja.localnet>

temple at is.asu.edu said:
> Unfortunately the domain information on the first page near the bottom
> is the "Host name this list prefers." field which I have already set
> to the virtual domain name. It still shows up as the real host name on
> the TO line. 

Most likely you have got the virtual name set up as a CNAME in the DNS. 
 Sendmail, being inherently evil and loving to bugger around with any 
addresses it sees, will rewrite any domains that are CNAMEs to the 
target domain.  [this is probably RFC correct behaviour - mail virtuals 
should be done using MX records *not* CNAMEs].

Alternatively your MYA is rewriting those domains for other reasons.

Basically the "hostname this list prefers" does work so its going to be 
an MTA problem.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From myosotis at xs4all.nl  Wed Apr 19 13:02:12 2000
From: myosotis at xs4all.nl (Jeroen Keppens)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:02:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail admin
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.10.10004191300030.24984-100000@xs3.xs4all.nl>

Hi,

I was wondering... Can I subscribe people to my mailinglist by sending a
mail to [mailinglist]-request@[domain] ?

I've got admin access to the list, so that's not a problem.

I tried

'subscribe [password] address=[address]'

but it didn't work and gave an unexpected mailman error

Jeroen




From pauls at quad-sys.com  Wed Apr 19 17:05:07 2000
From: pauls at quad-sys.com (Paul Stavrides)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:   All recipients refused: host not found
Message-ID: <38FDCB23.385D166C@quad-sys.com>

I have one Mailman list running on a RH 6.1 machine.  Works like a
champ.

This list on a RH 6.2 machine is giving me a few problems, though.  No
mail is being delivered, although it looks like the mailman_wrapper
program is being called (I have Majordomo running on the same machine --
smrsh has a link).

The error I see in /home/mailman/logs is:

    Apr 19 10:42:00 2000 (20781) All recipients refused: host not found

I've restared inetd, sendmail, and run check_perms with no trouble.

I built the program with what I though were the correct gids of mail and
nobody (std RH Apache user).

All the web interface widgets work fine.  Archiving is working.

I thought it might be my spam control on sendmail, but that looks ok.

We do filter with procmail, but this account (mailman) has no
.procmailrc file, so that's not geting in the way directly, anyhow.

It may be an MTA issue, but I'm a bit lost.  Anybody have a suggestion?

Thanks,

-paul






From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Wed Apr 19 17:30:28 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:30:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:   All recipients refused: host not found
In-Reply-To: <38FDCB23.385D166C@quad-sys.com>; from pauls@quad-sys.com on Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:05:07AM -0400
References: <38FDCB23.385D166C@quad-sys.com>
Message-ID: <20000419173028.W10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:05:07AM -0400, Paul Stavrides wrote:

> This list on a RH 6.2 machine is giving me a few problems, though.  No
> mail is being delivered, although it looks like the mailman_wrapper
> program is being called (I have Majordomo running on the same machine --
> smrsh has a link).

What does the log of the MTA (sendmail?) say?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb




From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Wed Apr 19 17:32:05 2000
From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:32:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] converting mbox archive to mailman archive
Message-ID: <200004191532.KAA28157@netman.eng.auburn.edu>

I've asked this question once or twice before, but no response yet.
How do I manually convert a standard, previously existing, concatenated
MBOX format archive into a mailman archive?

Also, no response to my question about mailman 2-beta2

Posts that must be approved by administrator do not make it into
the archive. 
1) is this is a known bug?
2) Is there a way to take the <list>.mbox file (which appears to be okay
for whatever strange reason..) and manually just add the messages that
are not in the pipermail archive to the pipermail archive?





From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Wed Apr 19 17:42:05 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:42:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTAs for huge lists on mailman2
Message-ID: <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet>

Which MTAs are people using with mailman for large lists (> 5000 
subscribers)?
I'm particularly interested in mailman 2.0b2 (or later :-) ), since 
that puts all recipients into a single SMTP transaction - the MTA sees 
one message with 5000+ recipients.

Different MTAs have different trade-offs.
Exim (and smail) routes all recipients before starting delivery - so 
this configuration could have a long startup delay before it starts 
delivering, but I don't currently have a feel for how significant this 
is especially where there is nearby cached DNS and a decent list 
throughput.
Qmail effectively makes a separate envelope for each user, so 
deliveries will start very fast.

I don't know what postfix and sendmail do...

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From pauls at quad-sys.com  Wed Apr 19 17:54:50 2000
From: pauls at quad-sys.com (Paul Stavrides)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:54:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:   All recipients refused: host not found
References: <38FDCB23.385D166C@quad-sys.com> <20000419173028.W10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>
Message-ID: <38FDD6CA.A92DD3FF@quad-sys.com>

>From what I can see, exactly ok:

Apr 19 10:41:17 popmail sendmail[20771]: KAA20771: from=<pauls at quad-sys.com>,
size=399, class=0, pri=30399, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<38FDC6AE.FB80ABD7 at quad-sys.com>,
proto=ESMTP, relay=[89.0.1.254]

Apr 19 10:41:17 popmail sendmail[20772]: KAA20772: clone KAA20771,
owner=mtest-admin

Apr 19 10:41:18 popmail sendmail[20772]: KAA20772: to="|
/home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper
post mtest" , delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent



Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:05:07AM -0400, Paul Stavrides wrote:
>
> > This list on a RH 6.2 machine is giving me a few problems, though.  No
> > mail is being delivered, although it looks like the mailman_wrapper
> > program is being called (I have Majordomo running on the same machine --
> > smrsh has a link).
>
> What does the log of the MTA (sendmail?) say?
>
> --
> Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Wed Apr 19 17:50:01 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:50:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] converting mbox archive to mailman archive
In-Reply-To: <200004191532.KAA28157@netman.eng.auburn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0004191149050.28775-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

try using the ~mailman/bin/arch program.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Doug Hughes wrote:

> I've asked this question once or twice before, but no response yet.
> How do I manually convert a standard, previously existing, concatenated
> MBOX format archive into a mailman archive?

--
Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
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From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at  Wed Apr 19 17:52:13 2000
From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:52:13 +0200 (MES)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] converting mbox archive to mailman archive
In-Reply-To: <200004191532.KAA28157@netman.eng.auburn.edu> from Doug Hughes at
 "Apr 19, 2000 10:32:05 am"
Message-ID: <200004191552.RAA68826@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>

According to Doug Hughes:
> I've asked this question once or twice before, but no response yet.
> How do I manually convert a standard, previously existing, concatenated
> MBOX format archive into a mailman archive?

The "arch" command in Mailman's bin directory does this trick, at least
that is/was the case in earlier version:

mailman> ~/bin/arch 
usage: arch <listname> <mbox>

> Also, no response to my question about mailman 2-beta2
> 
> Posts that must be approved by administrator do not make it into
> the archive. 
> 1) is this is a known bug?
Sorry, I can't answer that.  Maybe this should be entered into
Mailman's bug database.

> 2) Is there a way to take the <list>.mbox file (which appears to be okay
> for whatever strange reason..) and manually just add the messages that
> are not in the pipermail archive to the pipermail archive?

~/bin/arch list list.mbox

would do that.  The arch command does not check for duplicates, so you
may want to copy a selection of mails into another mailbox and run
the arch command with that file.

Hope that helps.

+gg
 
--
Gerhard.Gonter at wu-wien.ac.at  Fax: +43/1/31336/702  g.gonter at ieee.org
Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria



From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Wed Apr 19 17:54:28 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:54:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:   All recipients refused: host not found
In-Reply-To: <38FDD6CA.A92DD3FF@quad-sys.com>; from pauls@quad-sys.com on Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:54:50AM -0400
References: <38FDCB23.385D166C@quad-sys.com> <20000419173028.W10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <38FDD6CA.A92DD3FF@quad-sys.com>
Message-ID: <20000419175428.X10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

Am 19.04.2000 um 11:54:50 -0400 schrieb Paul Stavrides folgendes:
> >From what I can see, exactly ok:
> 
> Apr 19 10:41:17 popmail sendmail[20771]: KAA20771: from=<pauls at quad-sys.com>,
> size=399, class=0, pri=30399, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<38FDC6AE.FB80ABD7 at quad-sys.com>,
> proto=ESMTP, relay=[89.0.1.254]
> 
> Apr 19 10:41:17 popmail sendmail[20772]: KAA20772: clone KAA20771,
> owner=mtest-admin
> 
> Apr 19 10:41:18 popmail sendmail[20772]: KAA20772: to="|
> /home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper
> post mtest" , delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent

Looks ok. So mailman doesn't even try to send out mails after this?
No connections, no nothing?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
NT is the only OS that has caused me to beat a piece of hardware to
death with my bare hands.  




From pauls at quad-sys.com  Wed Apr 19 18:02:04 2000
From: pauls at quad-sys.com (Paul Stavrides)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:02:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:   All recipients refused: host not found
References: <38FDCB23.385D166C@quad-sys.com> <20000419173028.W10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <38FDD6CA.A92DD3FF@quad-sys.com> <20000419175428.X10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>
Message-ID: <38FDD87C.78EA2B2B@quad-sys.com>

Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

> Looks ok. So mailman doesn't even try to send out mails after this?
> No connections, no nothing?

That is correct.  I guess I have to increase the debug level and see what drops
out.

This is wierd.

Thanks,

-paul




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Wed Apr 19 17:59:22 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:59:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error:   All recipients refused: host not found
In-Reply-To: <38FDD87C.78EA2B2B@quad-sys.com>; from pauls@quad-sys.com on Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 12:02:04PM -0400
References: <38FDCB23.385D166C@quad-sys.com> <20000419173028.W10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <38FDD6CA.A92DD3FF@quad-sys.com> <20000419175428.X10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <38FDD87C.78EA2B2B@quad-sys.com>
Message-ID: <20000419175922.Y10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

Am 19.04.2000 um 12:02:04 -0400 schrieb Paul Stavrides folgendes:
> Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> 
> > Looks ok. So mailman doesn't even try to send out mails after this?
> > No connections, no nothing?
> 
> That is correct.  I guess I have to increase the debug level and see what drops
> out.
> 
> This is wierd.

Yup. Very strange.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
Die kuerzesten Computerwitze:
1) Muesste laufen.




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Wed Apr 19 18:00:29 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:00:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTAs for huge lists on mailman2
In-Reply-To: <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk on Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 04:42:05PM +0100
References: <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <20000419180029.Z10811@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 04:42:05PM +0100, Nigel Metheringham wrote:

> Qmail effectively makes a separate envelope for each user, so 
> deliveries will start very fast.

With qmail, you use ezmlm...
 
> I don't know what postfix and sendmail do...

When it comes to speed, postfix is the way to go.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
Sendmail: Shiva as a postman. Many arms delivering mail, dancing,
taking drugs, destroying as it sees fit. Often makes creative changes
to the mail for kicks, but ultimately can be persuaded to do anything
with the right incantation...and that includes giving you other
people's mail.  




From fil at bok.net  Wed Apr 19 18:07:28 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:07:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms ?
Message-ID: <20000419180728.A4770@orwell.bok.net>

I had at first the debian distrib of mailman. Then I switched to a manual
install, and forgot to read the INSTALL file, forgot in consequence to:

      Make sure this directory is set to group 'mailman' and has the
      setgid bit set.  You probably also want to guarantee that this
      directory is read and executeable by everyone. For example,
      these shell commands will accomplish this:

          % cd $prefix
          % chgrp mailman .
          % chmod a+rx,g+ws .

The scripts choke a lot before I was able to understand, check_perms was of
no help as it detected nothing. Could it be upgraded to check this ?




From pauls at quad-sys.com  Wed Apr 19 21:14:35 2000
From: pauls at quad-sys.com (Paul Stavrides)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probably a permissions problem...
Message-ID: <38FE059A.2AE2CB@quad-sys.com>

Hi,

Still trying to get Mailman going on RH6.2  We still can't get mail
through.

When I run qrunner I get the following:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 106, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 51, in main
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 209, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied


Does this ring a bell with anyone?  Check_perms runs without errors.

Thanks,

-paul




From claw at cp.net  Wed Apr 19 21:28:37 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:28:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTAs for huge lists on mailman2 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk> 
   of "Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:42:05 BST." <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet> 
References: <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet> 
Message-ID: <E12i09N-0000dp-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:42:05 +0100 
Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk> wrote:

> Which MTAs are people using with mailman for large lists (> 5000
> subscribers)?  

Historically I've used Exim, which I know you're well familiar
with.  Were I to do it now, I'd go for Postfix without a single
backward glance.  

> Different MTAs have different trade-offs.  Exim (and smail) routes
> all recipients before starting delivery - so this configuration
> could have a long startup delay before it starts delivering, but I
> don't currently have a feel for how significant this is especially
> where there is nearby cached DNS and a decent list throughput.
> Qmail effectively makes a separate envelope for each user, so
> deliveries will start very fast.

> I don't know what postfix and sendmail do...

I believe in this regard you can consider QMail and Postfix as
similar.  Certainly their base designs are very similar.  Factually, 
the only reasons I'd go with Postfix versus QMail in the statement
above are:

  -- I find Dan B a pain and I get along well with Vietse Wenema.
  -- I generally find Dan B offensive but technically correct, and
     Vietse technically correct as modified by politeness.
  -- I can't read QMail code, and I can read Postfix code.
  -- Qmail is held very tightly to Dan's chest and Postfix is
     getting a good spread of distributed developer attention with
     much open diecussion and submission of patches.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From curtin at ptc.com  Wed Apr 19 21:29:14 2000
From: curtin at ptc.com (Michael Curtin)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] response fully qualifying
Message-ID: <200004191929.PAA00686@allman>

I have mailman 1.0 running on Solaris 2.6.  Everything works fine except
when someone adds themselves to a list, the confirmation email they
get sends as "list1-request1 at ptc.com" and it should be sent as
"list1-request at listserv.ptc.com".  
I've been playing around with sendmail but I don't think that's the problem.
Any idea?  
Thanks
Mike




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Apr 19 21:34:34 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:34:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTAs for huge lists on mailman2
In-Reply-To: <E12i09N-0000dp-00@under.eng.cp.net>
References: <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet> <Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk> <E12i09N-0000dp-00@under.eng.cp.net>
Message-ID: <20000419153433.A10586@xcski.com>

Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at cp.net):
>   -- I find Dan B a pain and I get along well with Vietse Wenema.
>   -- I generally find Dan B offensive but technically correct, and

You're not the only one.  And if you express this opinion on Usenet,
expect Dan B to swoop down on your newsgroup and engage in a weeks long
flamewar with you and anybody else who doesn't treat Qmail as a gift from
the gods.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
If God had intended man to fly he would have given him enough
money for a Bonanza.



From bolen at hcs.harvard.edu  Wed Apr 19 21:45:58 2000
From: bolen at hcs.harvard.edu (britt)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:45:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] response fully qualifying
In-Reply-To: <200004191929.PAA00686@allman>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10004191543480.27587-100000@hcs.harvard.edu>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Michael Curtin wrote:

> I have mailman 1.0 running on Solaris 2.6.  Everything works fine except
> when someone adds themselves to a list, the confirmation email they
> get sends as "list1-request1 at ptc.com" and it should be sent as
> "list1-request at listserv.ptc.com".  
> I've been playing around with sendmail but I don't think that's the problem.
> Any idea?  

well you can make sendmail rewrite all outgoing mail to be from
listserv.ptc.com by adding/changing the DM directive in sendmail.cf

# who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading) (see also $=M)
DMlistserv.ptc.com

this will fail if you have a DS, or DH value and that server then rewrites
the address.

B

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From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Wed Apr 19 22:00:28 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:00:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail admin
References: <Pine.BSI.4.10.10004191300030.24984-100000@xs3.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <38FE105C.68A4A439@west.sun.com>


Jeroen Keppens wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering... Can I subscribe people to my mailinglist by sending a
> mail to [mailinglist]-request@[domain] ?
>
> I've got admin access to the list, so that's not a problem.
>
> I tried
>
> 'subscribe [password] address=[address]'
>
> but it didn't work and gave an unexpected mailman error

Yes, that works just fine for me.  Perhaps you could illuminate a bit more about the error,
and/or check logs/error to see if there's more information there?




From claw at cp.net  Wed Apr 19 22:11:06 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:11:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTAs for huge lists on mailman2 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Tomblin <ptomblin@xcski.com> 
   of "Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:34:34 EDT." <20000419153433.A10586@xcski.com> 
References: <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet> <Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk> <E12i09N-0000dp-00@under.eng.cp.net>  <20000419153433.A10586@xcski.com> 
Message-ID: <E12i0oU-00039Z-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:34:34 -0400 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com> wrote:

> Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at cp.net):
>> -- I find Dan B a pain and I get along well with Vietse Wenema.
>> -- I generally find Dan B offensive but technically correct, and

> You're not the only one.  

I know.

I should note that my current clients, Critical Path, base their
products atop QMail.

> And if you express this opinion on Usenet, expect Dan B to swoop
> down on your newsgroup and engage in a weeks long flamewar with
> you and anybody else who doesn't treat Qmail as a gift from the
> gods.

Yeah, he's toasted me a couple times, and I've beaten him back with
cold hard documented statistics a couple times.  Asides from the
fact that Dan never declares truces, I have.

The rest is mostly written for the rest of the list (as versus
people who know Dan):

QMail is an absolutely excellent product, far above the norm in its
field.  It is fast, efficient, secure, well designed, has a
vanishingly small history of security concerns, is of good design
etc.  It is a highly recommendable product as well (tho perhaps not
as from the gods).  The problem is that Postfix is arguably just as
good and wonderful for all the same resons, and just as
recommendable -- and if you go with Postfix you don't have to put up
with Dan Bernstein in any fashion.

Them's the breaks.  YMMV yada yada.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From j.rogerson at edscout.net  Thu Apr 20 00:45:45 2000
From: j.rogerson at edscout.net (Johnpaul Rogerson)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:45:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems cgi wrapper
References: <4.2.0.58.20000419132827.012dfef8@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <006e01bfaa51$00ed5550$7e8875c2@tardis>

I am having problems getting mailman 1.1 installed on rehat 6
python 1.1

I get an error when run the cgi that says expected group 99 got group 13200
when i try to run the configure again with

./configure --with-cgi-gid = 13200
configure: warning: =: invalid host type
configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a time

./configure --with-cgi-gid  13200
        ....
....
.
..

.


checking for --with-python...
checking for python... (cached) /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for true... (cached) /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes
checking for mailman UID... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 13235
checking permissions on /www/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 13201
checking for CGI wrapper GID...
configure: error:
***** No existing group found for the cgi_wrapper program.
***** This is the group that your Web server runs CGI scripts under.
***** You might want to specify an existing group with the
***** --with-cgi-gid configure option.  Please see your Web server's
***** documentation, and the INSTALL file for details


And i cant seem to change the id to make it work

Does anyone now what i am doing wrong .

Help please


Jp




From jim at cosource.com  Thu Apr 20 00:49:44 2000
From: jim at cosource.com (Jim Hebert)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:49:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems cgi wrapper
In-Reply-To: <006e01bfaa51$00ed5550$7e8875c2@tardis>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004191844200.14908-100000@ray.compu-aid.com>

> ./configure --with-cgi-gid = 13200

try removing the spaces around the = sign, a la --with-cgi-gid=13200

Best,
jim

--
Jim Hebert                                       http://www.cosource.com/
jim at cosource.com          The cooperative market for open source software







From dave at biojazz.com  Thu Apr 20 02:10:28 2000
From: dave at biojazz.com (David Vaught-Alexander)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:10:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper unavailable
Message-ID: <BMEEKLNPPCKJCDLIGEHBOEBMCJAA.dave@biojazz.com>

GlacierI have tried and tried, but still can't make my RedHat 6.1 run
mailman ;-(
I get this error when sending a confirmation email.

******

The original message was received at Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:04:57 -0700

from dave.biojazz.com [208.32.76.151]

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd m-cubed-public"

(expanded from: <m-cubed-public-request at atlas.biojazz.com>)

----- Transcript of session follows -----

sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs

554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd m-cubed-public"... Service
unavailable

******

My most recent attempt at installing used the following configuration
command.

***

# ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody

***

I have also tried several others, like...

# ./configure --with-mail-gid=8 12

# ./configure --with-mail-gid=8

# ./configure --with-mail-gid=12

# ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail (the group 12 is called mail)

sendmail.cf says defaultuser 8:12

CAN ANYONE HELP ME?



Thanks in advance



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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Apr 20 02:19:29 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:19:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper unavailable
Message-ID: <200004200019.RAA20936@utopia.west.sun.com>

> From: "David Vaught-Alexander" <dave at biojazz.com>

1) stop posting this HTML crap.

2) read the INSTALL file; your question is answered there
(and has been answered on this list about 50 times this year
so far)




From lost at FleX.uz  Thu Apr 20 07:40:13 2000
From: lost at FleX.uz (Roman Terleev)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:40:13 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not work!
Message-ID: <20000420104012.A30204@c0p.UFN.net>

I think about what problem in python.
I reinstall all version mailman, and effect the same.
So well problem with python or python libs? Maybe reinstall new version python?

Ideas?

----======================================----
From: Roman Terleev <lost at FleX.uz>
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not work!
To: mailman-users at python.org

I installed Mailman 1.1 on a Red Hat 5.2 Linux System (kernel
2.2.14, postfix-19991231-pl04, python 1.5.1). Everything worked
fine.

All work a long time, nearly 5 month, and of late appear next problem:
when i try now to post a message to this list (moderated), or
post message users from my listserv i get the authorization mail. After
klicking approve and submit on the web page, nothing happens.
No mail, no new page and appear screen password again.
And if i try change options from 'mailing list configuration' on the web page,
when also appear screen password again.
What happened?

Any ideas?
My listserver don't work six days! Help please.
----======================================----

-- 
===============================================================================
Roman Terleev 						   System Administrator
e-Mail: <lost at FreeNET.uz>				phone: +998 712 1332446
IREX/FreeNET/IATP					fax:   +998 712 67 5258
Tashkent, Uzbekistan					cell:  +998 71 100 2323
===============================================================================



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Apr 20 08:04:52 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:04:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not work!
Message-ID: <200004200605.XAA26298@utopia.west.sun.com>

When I get a "ask for password again", it's always a cookie issue.
Lately it's been because I'll go to a page as an alias with,
say, 'lists' in the URL (where I have 'lists/' set up as an alias
for /home/mailman/cgi-bin), but the Mailman software sends me a
cookie for "/mailman/".  So the authentication never matches.

Try going to a path including "/mailman/".

I keep meaning to try to track this down and call it a bug or a
feature or a Web server misconfiguration, but I haven't yet.

> I think about what problem in python.
> I reinstall all version mailman, and effect the same.
> So well problem with python or python libs? Maybe reinstall new version 
python?
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> ----======================================----
> From: Roman Terleev <lost at FleX.uz>
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] not work!
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> 
> I installed Mailman 1.1 on a Red Hat 5.2 Linux System (kernel
> 2.2.14, postfix-19991231-pl04, python 1.5.1). Everything worked
> fine.
> 
> All work a long time, nearly 5 month, and of late appear next problem:
> when i try now to post a message to this list (moderated), or
> post message users from my listserv i get the authorization mail. After
> klicking approve and submit on the web page, nothing happens.
> No mail, no new page and appear screen password again.
> And if i try change options from 'mailing list configuration' on the web page,
> when also appear screen password again.
> What happened?
> 
> Any ideas?
> My listserver don't work six days! Help please.
> ----======================================----
> 
> -- 
> 
===============================================================================
> Roman Terleev 						   System 
Administrator
> e-Mail: <lost at FreeNET.uz>				phone: +998 712 1332446
> IREX/FreeNET/IATP					fax:   +998 712 67 5258
> Tashkent, Uzbekistan					cell:  +998 71 100 2323
> 
===============================================================================
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From myosotis at xs4all.nl  Thu Apr 20 08:16:05 2000
From: myosotis at xs4all.nl (Jeroen Keppens)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:16:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman results for Makrobestelling
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.10.10004200814570.24029-100000@xs4.xs4all.nl>

Hi,

this is the errormessage I recieve,

Jeroen

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:12:53 +0200
From: makrobestelling-request at listserv.xs4all.be
To: jkeppens at webteam.xs4all.be
Subject: Mailman results for Makrobestelling

This is an automated response.

There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
the administrative address
<makrobestelling-request at listserv.xs4all.be>.

To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<makrobestelling-request at listserv.xs4all.be> with the word "help" in
the subject line or in the body of the message.

If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
please send your message to
<makrobestelling-admin at listserv.xs4all.be>.

The following is a detailed description of the problems.


***** subscribe [admin password - not gonna tell ya!]
address=myosotis at xs4all.be
>>>>> An unexpected Mailman error has occurred.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please forward your request to the human list administrator in charge
>>>>> of this list at <makrobestelling-admin at listserv.xs4all.be>.  The
>>>>> traceback is attached below and will be forwarded to the list
>>>>> administrator automatically.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 214, in ParseMailCommands
    self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 552, in ProcessSubscribeCmd
    self.AddMember(subscribe_address, password, digest, remote)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 893, in AddMember
    cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 74, in new
    self.__save(db)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 111, in __save
    fp = open(self.db_path, "w")
IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Apr 20 08:20:52 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:20:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman results for Makrobestelling
Message-ID: <200004200621.XAA26662@utopia.west.sun.com>

See the very last line, where it says "permission denied"?
That means this is a permission error, by which Python means
"file permission".  Something isn't set with the right permissions.

Run check_perms from 2.0beta2 for a more-complete permission scan.

> IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')




From lost at FleX.uz  Thu Apr 20 08:49:42 2000
From: lost at FleX.uz (Roman Terleev)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:49:42 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading
In-Reply-To: <200004200605.XAA26298@utopia.west.sun.com>; from Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM on Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:04:52PM -0700
References: <200004200605.XAA26298@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20000420114942.A30411@c0p.UFN.net>

-------------
On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:04:52PM -0700, Dan Mick wrote:

D > When I get a "ask for password again", it's always a cookie issue.
D > Lately it's been because I'll go to a page as an alias with,
D > say, 'lists' in the URL (where I have 'lists/' set up as an alias
D > for /home/mailman/cgi-bin), but the Mailman software sends me a
D > cookie for "/mailman/".  So the authentication never matches.
D >
D > Try going to a path including "/mailman/".
------------
All work! Problem with cookie in browser.
Thx.

Another question, why appear error when i upgrading from mailman-1.1
to mailman-2.0beta2, error appear when go until update mailing list:

- [root at c0p] - Thu Apr 20 11:36:00
/home/lost/prg/mailman.20/mailman-2.0beta2/> make install
---===ALL OK===----
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Upgrading from version 0xffffffff to 0x20000b2
Updating mailing list:  centralasia-alum
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 282, in ?
    dolist(list)
  File "bin/update", line 77, in dolist
    l = MailList.MailList(list)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 69, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 881, in Load
    self.CheckVersion(dict)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 912, in CheckVersion
    Update(self, stored_state)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 52, in Update
    NewRequestsDatabase(l)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 217, in NewRequestsDatabase
    r = getattr(l, 'requests', {})
TypeError: getattr requires exactly 2 arguments; 3 given

-- 
===============================================================================
Roman Terleev 						   System Administrator
e-Mail: <lost at FreeNET.uz>				phone: +998 712 1332446
IREX/FreeNET/IATP					fax:   +998 712 67 5258
Tashkent, Uzbekistan					cell:  +998 71 100 2323
===============================================================================



From srinivasa at pramati.com  Thu Apr 20 10:41:17 2000
From: srinivasa at pramati.com (Srinivasa Rao T)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:11:17 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <00dc01bfaaa4$31d7adc0$0901a8c0@pramati.com>

unsubscribe mailman-users

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From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Thu Apr 20 11:28:15 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:28:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTAs for huge lists on mailman2
In-Reply-To: <E12i09N-0000dp-00@under.eng.cp.net>; from claw@cp.net on Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 12:28:37PM -0700
References: <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet> <Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk> <E12i09N-0000dp-00@under.eng.cp.net>
Message-ID: <20000420112815.J17832@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 12:28:37PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:

>   -- I find Dan B a pain and I get along well with Vietse Wenema.

Wietse Venema...

>   -- I generally find Dan B offensive but technically correct, and
>      Vietse technically correct as modified by politeness.
>   -- I can't read QMail code, and I can read Postfix code.
>   -- Qmail is held very tightly to Dan's chest and Postfix is
>      getting a good spread of distributed developer attention with
>      much open discussion and submission of patches.

I agree in all points.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
I'm not insane, just an ISP. 
Although people may consider that to be a mark of an insane person!




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Thu Apr 20 11:29:31 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:29:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTAs for huge lists on mailman2
In-Reply-To: <20000419153433.A10586@xcski.com>; from ptomblin@xcski.com on Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 03:34:34PM -0400
References: <E12hwc9-0007PE-00@rioja.localnet> <Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk> <E12i09N-0000dp-00@under.eng.cp.net> <20000419153433.A10586@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <20000420112931.K17832@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 03:34:34PM -0400, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> flamewar with you and anybody else who doesn't treat Qmail as a gift from
> the gods.

Oh, it isn't ? Cthulu is a god, too. Recommended reading:
"Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett.

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
An Emacs reference mug is what I want. It would hold ten gallons of
coffee. -- Steve VanDevender 
And, no doubt, have a lid that could only be removed with an obscure
finger combination requiring both hands. (Ctrl-Alt-Meta-X
gimme-the-damn-coffee) -- William Beegle  




From jbleasdale at rm.com  Thu Apr 20 11:50:39 2000
From: jbleasdale at rm.com (John Bleasdale)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:50:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella nested lists
In-Reply-To: <41F16105E0DAD211AE8A0008C7A4F12702028752@rmexchange.internal.rmplc.net>
Message-ID: <41F16105E0DAD211AE8A0008C7A4F12704A32A8C@rmexchange.internal.rmplc.net>

Hello,

I am running Mailman 1.1 and currently having some confusion over using
nested lists.

I have two conventional lists, "list-a" and "list-b" and an umbrella list
"allusers" containing the two normal lists.
I would like all three lists to be closed, allowing member posting only, but
without the need for administrative approvals for postings. ie. If a member
of "list-a" were to post to "allusers", their post would be permitted to all
the users of "list-a" and "list-b" automatically.

My question is this ->

Is it possible for Mailman to be configured so that when checking who is
allowed to post to the "allusers" list, it can check the members of the
child/leaf lists? At present the postings need approving as the sender's
address is not a direct member of the parent list.

Also, if the above were possible and the posting to "allusers" was allowed,
the From address checked by the child lists is "allusers-admin" rather than
the original sender's From address. I can configure "allusers-admin" to be
allowed to post to the leaf lists using the Bounce options, however, is it
possible to preserve the original From address as this would make list
set-up less complicated?

Thanks,
John

John Bleasdale
Research Machines plc
www.rm.com




From jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk  Thu Apr 20 11:59:25 2000
From: jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk (Johnpaul Rogerson)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:59:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi error
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.1000420105200.2532A-100000@canna.dcs.ed.ac.uk>

Can any one help i get this error message when trying to run python  1.1 
uid: (admin/admin) gid: (mailman/mailman) cmd: admin
directory is writable by others
:(/home/httpd/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman/cgi-bin)


Can anyone help me ive already ran the --with-cgi-gid 
wich removed another problem.

JP


Johnpaul Rogerson
jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk






From jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk  Thu Apr 20 12:00:14 2000
From: jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk (Johnpaul Rogerson)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:00:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cgi problems
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.1000420104548.1970B-100000@canna.dcs.ed.ac.uk>

I am 

Johnpaul Rogerson
jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk






From fil at bok.net  Thu Apr 20 12:23:00 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:23:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probably a permissions problem...
In-Reply-To: <38FE059A.2AE2CB@quad-sys.com>; from pauls@quad-sys.com on Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 03:14:35PM -0400
References: <38FE059A.2AE2CB@quad-sys.com>
Message-ID: <20000420122300.B3376@orwell.bok.net>

Although I'm not under RH but Debian, I have a very similar problem -- but
no solution except reinstalling each time the files get corrupt.

* Paul Stavrides (pauls at quad-sys.com) ?crivait :
> Still trying to get Mailman going on RH6.2  We still can't get mail
> through.
> 
> When I run qrunner I get the following:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 106, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 51, in main
>     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 209, in lock
>     os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied



From pauls at quad-sys.com  Thu Apr 20 14:28:34 2000
From: pauls at quad-sys.com (Paul Stavrides)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:28:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Probably a permissions problem...
References: <38FE059A.2AE2CB@quad-sys.com> <20000420122300.B3376@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <38FEF7F2.138FAAEA@quad-sys.com>

Been there, done that.  As I have time I will get the wrapper program into gdb
and see what I can see...

-paul

Fil wrote:

> Although I'm not under RH but Debian, I have a very similar problem -- but
> no solution except reinstalling each time the files get corrupt.
>
> * Paul Stavrides (pauls at quad-sys.com) ?crivait :
> > Still trying to get Mailman going on RH6.2  We still can't get mail
> > through.
> >
> > When I run qrunner I get the following:
> >
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 106, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 51, in main
> >     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 209, in lock
> >     os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
> > OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied




From myosotis at xs4all.nl  Thu Apr 20 15:55:51 2000
From: myosotis at xs4all.nl (Jeroen Keppens)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:55:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.10.10004201552520.12278-100000@xs4.xs4all.nl>

Hi,

problems have been solved.

Another one has occurred. Here it is:

People subscribing to the mailinglist via the mailmanpages should be
approved before being allowed, but people subscribing at our password
protected session shouldn't be approved.

This would be easy to do, when there was an admin-mail-interface.

But I recieve following message when creating a new list: "There is also
an email-based interface for users (not administrators) of your list; you
can get info about using it by sending a message with just the word `help'
as subject or in the body, to:...". Is it really not possible??

Jeroen




From kevin at maxson.com  Thu Apr 20 17:18:16 2000
From: kevin at maxson.com (Kevin of Thornbury)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:18:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone seen this before? [Fwd: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1]
Message-ID: <38FF1FB8.2C910E36@maxson.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:09:36 -0400
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
To: atlantia-admin at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org

The original message was received at Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:33:21 -0400
from web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper post atlantia"
    (expanded from: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
XXX lineno: 123, opcode: 119
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 61, in __init__
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 798, in Load
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 1379, in Lock
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 153, in lock
    import struct, fcntl, FCNTL
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/plat-linux-i386/FCNTL.py", line 123, in ?
    BIG_ENDIAN = __BIG_ENDIAN
SystemError: unknown opcode
554 "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper post atlantia"... unknown mailer
error 1
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From pauls at quad-sys.com  Thu Apr 20 21:58:10 2000
From: pauls at quad-sys.com (Paul Stavrides)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:58:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Had to changes the delivery mode on RH6.2
Message-ID: <38FF6152.1A2EEF82@quad-sys.com>

That was fun... I know a whole lot more about gdb and Phython than I did
a day or two ago....

Your milage may vary, but on our RH6.2 system we had to:

# Delivery module for the message pipeline.  See
# Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py for details.  Unless overridden
specifically
# in that module, this handler is used for message delivery to the list,
and
# to an individual user.  This value must be a string naming a module in
the
# Mailman.Handlers package.
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'


Regards,

-paul




From j.rogerson at edscout.net  Thu Apr 20 22:44:51 2000
From: j.rogerson at edscout.net (Johnpaul Rogerson)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:44:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi error - more info
References: <Pine.SOL.3.94.1000420105200.2532A-100000@canna.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <008501bfab09$47648a90$417571c1@tardis>

        looking at thge error log it shows a premature end of script error 
iam not sure how to fix in perl it is easy but new to python


Can anyone help


JP 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Johnpaul Rogerson" <jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 10:59 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi error


> Can any one help i get this error message when trying to run python  1.1 
> uid: (admin/admin) gid: (mailman/mailman) cmd: admin
> directory is writable by others
> :(/home/httpd/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman/cgi-bin)
> 
> 
> Can anyone help me ive already ran the --with-cgi-gid 
> wich removed another problem.
> 
> JP
> 
> 
> Johnpaul Rogerson
> jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Apr 20 23:28:44 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:28:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200004202128.OAA20351@utopia.west.sun.com>

> People subscribing to the mailinglist via the mailmanpages should be
> approved before being allowed, but people subscribing at our password
> protected session shouldn't be approved.
> 
> This would be easy to do, when there was an admin-mail-interface.
> 
> But I recieve following message when creating a new list: "There is also
> an email-based interface for users (not administrators) of your list; you
> can get info about using it by sending a message with just the word `help'
> as subject or in the body, to:...". Is it really not possible??

Is what really not possible?  Yes, you can send "help" to the
-request alias, and get back a list of mail commands.




From myosotis at xs4all.nl  Fri Apr 21 08:19:06 2000
From: myosotis at xs4all.nl (Jeroen Keppens)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:19:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200004202128.OAA20351@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.10.10004210817440.10173-100000@xs4.xs4all.nl>

Okay, you recieve a mail with commands I tried that before. User commands.

When you do: subscribe [admin-password] address=[address] he still asks
for administrator approval.

Or am I doing something wrong here?

Jeroen Keppens







From bernhard at intevation.de  Fri Apr 21 14:01:55 2000
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:01:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] v2.0beta2 three patches
Message-ID: <20000421140155.H4230@cheops.usf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>

Just to keep you informed I started testing mailman-2.0beta2 here.

The three changes I made are attached.

The first ist cosmetic: It removes the python and gnu logo from the
	mailman webpages. Putting logos down there is inflational
	I guess that one pointer to the product is enough in this case.
	If people click through when they are interested it,
	they still can get all the information.

The second fixes a bug in cron/checkdbs already fixed in the CVS
version.

The third fixes a bug for archival of moderated mails.

Everything well known on the developers list, but I thought 
you might like the summary.

	Bernhard
-- 
Professional Service around Free Software                (intevation.net)  
The FreeGIS Project				            (freegis.org)
Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure            (ffii.org)
-------------- next part --------------
--- Mailman/htmlformat.py	Tue Apr 18 12:03:34 2000
+++ Mailman/htmlformat.py	Tue Apr 18 12:08:38 2000
@@ -520,21 +520,9 @@
             return mm_cfg.IMAGE_LOGOS + file
         mmlink = Link(MAILMAN_URL,
                       '<img src="%s" alt="Delivered by Mailman" border=0>'
-                      '<br>version %s'
+                      'v%s'
                       % (logo(DELIVERED_BY), mm_cfg.VERSION))
-        pylink = Link(PYTHON_URL,
-                      '<img src="%s" alt="Python Powered" border=0>' %
-                      logo(PYTHON_POWERED))
-        gnulink = Link(GNU_URL,
-                       '<img src="%s" alt="GNU\'s Not Unix" border=0>' %
-                       logo(GNU_HEAD))
-        text = Container(Link(MAILMAN_URL, 'Mailman home page'),
-                         '<br>',
-                         Link(PYTHON_URL, 'Python home page'),
-                         '<br>',
-                         Link(GNU_URL, 'GNU home page'),
-                         )
-        t.AddRow([mmlink, pylink, gnulink, text])
+        t.AddRow([mmlink])
     else:
         # use only textual links
         mmlink = Link(MAILMAN_URL,
-------------- next part --------------
--- cron/checkdbs.org	Tue Apr 18 19:36:36 2000
+++ cron/checkdbs	Tue Apr 18 19:37:02 2000
@@ -69,7 +69,7 @@
             pending.append('Pending subscriptions:')
             first = 0
         when, addr, passwd, digest = mlist.GetRecord(id)
-        pending.append('    %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when))
+        pending.append('    %s %s' % (addr, time.ctime(when)))
     first = 1
     for id in mlist.GetHeldMessageIds():
         if first:
-------------- next part --------------
--- Mailman/ListAdmin.py.org	Wed Apr 19 15:49:23 2000
+++ Mailman/ListAdmin.py	Wed Apr 19 15:49:55 2000
@@ -139,7 +139,7 @@
         omask = os.umask(002)
         try:
             fp = open(os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, filename), 'w')
-            fp.write(str(msg))
+            fp.write(msg.unixfrom + str(msg))
             fp.close()
         finally:
             os.umask(omask)
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From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Fri Apr 21 15:16:09 2000
From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:16:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] v2.0beta2 three patches 
In-Reply-To: <20000421140155.H4230@cheops.usf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> 
Message-ID: <doug-1000421081604.ADA18805@netman>

>
>The third fixes a bug for archival of moderated mails.
>

excellent! Yes, I posted about this bug last week but
received no response. Much appreciated!





From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Fri Apr 21 16:20:48 2000
From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:20:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] v2.0beta2 three patches 
In-Reply-To: <20000421140155.H4230@cheops.usf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> 
Message-ID: <doug-1000421092047.AE118805@netman>

>The third fixes a bug for archival of moderated mails.
>

More background: The bug manifests itself as anything that
must be approved by the moderator does not make it to
the pipermail archive. It does, however, make it into the
.mbox archive, but with a missing MBOX From line.

This bug affects 2.0beta1 and 2.0beta2

Here is a simple Perl script to fix the .mbox file.
Direct it into a new file. move the original pipermail
archive directory to e.g. listname-bak, then run arch
on the new mbox file, chown the listname dir to the appropriate
owner (e.g. daemon), and then copy the new perl generated
.mbox file over the old one. (if you feel uncomfortable about
this, do a diff on list.mbox/list.mbox and the new file
previous to the arch and copying steps.

#!/usr/bin/perl
while (<>) {
    if (/^Received:/ && $last eq "\n") { 
        $keep = $_;
        $done = 0;
        while ($done != 2) {
            $_ = <>;    # Get next line
            if (/^Date: /) {
                $done++;
                ($label, $dow, $dom, $mon, $yr, $time) = split(/[\s,]+/);
            }
            if (/^From:.*<(.*)>/) {
                $done++;
                $fr = $1;
            }
            $keep .= $_;
        }
        print "From $fr  $dow $mon $dom $time $yr\n";
        print $keep;
    
    } else {
        $last = $_; 
        print;
    }
}   


example with a list called testlist

cd $mailmanhome/archives/(private|public)
mv testlist testlist.bak
perlscript < testlist.mbox/testlist.mbox > newtl.mbox
diff newtl.mbox testlist.mbox/testlist.mbox
.. < text containing new From lines in newtl.mbox > ...
../../bin/arch testlist newtl.mbox
chown -R daemon testlist
mv newtl.mbox testlist.mbox/testlist.mbox







From hstropez at mail.linknet.it  Sat Apr 22 00:06:09 2000
From: hstropez at mail.linknet.it (hstropez)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:06:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UNSUBSCREIBE
References: <20000421160006.4EBC31CD7D@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <3900D0D1.C35400A3@linknet.it>


mailman-users-request at python.org ha scritto:

> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>         mailman-users at python.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         mailman-users-request at python.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         mailman-users-admin at python.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Had to changes the delivery mode on RH6.2 (Paul Stavrides)
>   2. Re: cgi error - more info (Johnpaul Rogerson)
>   3. Re: (no subject) (Dan Mick)
>   4. Re: (no subject) (Jeroen Keppens)
>   5. v2.0beta2 three patches (Bernhard Reiter)
>   6. Re: v2.0beta2 three patches (Doug Hughes)
>   7. Re: v2.0beta2 three patches (Doug Hughes)
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Had to changes the delivery mode on RH6.2
> Data: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:58:10 -0400
> Da: Paul Stavrides <pauls at quad-sys.com>
> A: Mailman Users <mailman-users at python.org>
>
> That was fun... I know a whole lot more about gdb and Phython than I did
> a day or two ago....
>
> Your milage may vary, but on our RH6.2 system we had to:
>
> # Delivery module for the message pipeline.  See
> # Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py for details.  Unless overridden
> specifically
> # in that module, this handler is used for message delivery to the list,
> and
> # to an individual user.  This value must be a string naming a module in
> the
> # Mailman.Handlers package.
> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> #DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
>
> Regards,
>
> -paul
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] cgi error - more info
> Data: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:44:51 +0100
> Da: "Johnpaul Rogerson" <j.rogerson at edscout.net>
> A: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Documentazione: <Pine.SOL.3.94.1000420105200.2532A-100000 at canna.dcs.ed.ac.uk>
>
>         looking at thge error log it shows a premature end of script error
> iam not sure how to fix in perl it is easy but new to python
>
> Can anyone help
>
> JP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Johnpaul Rogerson" <jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 10:59 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi error
>
> > Can any one help i get this error message when trying to run python  1.1
> > uid: (admin/admin) gid: (mailman/mailman) cmd: admin
> > directory is writable by others
> > :(/home/httpd/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman/cgi-bin)
> >
> >
> > Can anyone help me ive already ran the --with-cgi-gid
> > wich removed another problem.
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> > Johnpaul Rogerson
> > jvr at dcs.ed.ac.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
> Data: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:28:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Da: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> A: myosotis at xs4all.nl
> CC: mailman-users at python.org
>
> > People subscribing to the mailinglist via the mailmanpages should be
> > approved before being allowed, but people subscribing at our password
> > protected session shouldn't be approved.
> >
> > This would be easy to do, when there was an admin-mail-interface.
> >
> > But I recieve following message when creating a new list: "There is also
> > an email-based interface for users (not administrators) of your list; you
> > can get info about using it by sending a message with just the word `help'
> > as subject or in the body, to:...". Is it really not possible??
>
> Is what really not possible?  Yes, you can send "help" to the
> -request alias, and get back a list of mail commands.
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
> Data: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:19:06 +0200 (CEST)
> Da: Jeroen Keppens <myosotis at xs4all.nl>
> A: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> CC: Mailman List <mailman-users at python.org>
>
> Okay, you recieve a mail with commands I tried that before. User commands.
>
> When you do: subscribe [admin-password] address=[address] he still asks
> for administrator approval.
>
> Or am I doing something wrong here?
>
> Jeroen Keppens
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] v2.0beta2 three patches
> Data: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:01:55 +0200
> Da: Bernhard Reiter <bernhard at intevation.de>
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> Just to keep you informed I started testing mailman-2.0beta2 here.
>
> The three changes I made are attached.
>
> The first ist cosmetic: It removes the python and gnu logo from the
>         mailman webpages. Putting logos down there is inflational
>         I guess that one pointer to the product is enough in this case.
>         If people click through when they are interested it,
>         they still can get all the information.
>
> The second fixes a bug in cron/checkdbs already fixed in the CVS
> version.
>
> The third fixes a bug for archival of moderated mails.
>
> Everything well known on the developers list, but I thought
> you might like the summary.
>
>         Bernhard
> --
> Professional Service around Free Software                (intevation.net)
> The FreeGIS Project                                         (freegis.org)
> Association for a Free Informational Infrastructure            (ffii.org)
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                               Name: 2.0beta2.local1.diff
>    2.0beta2.local1.diff       Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
>                        Description: Patch for mailman2.0beta2: Only Mailmanlogo on Mailmanwebpages
>
>                               Name: 2.0beta2.local2.diff
>    2.0beta2.local2.diff       Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
>                        Description: Patch for mailman 2.0beta2, segfault in cron/checkdbs, already fixed in cvs
>
>                               Name: 2.0beta2.local3.diff
>    2.0beta2.local3.diff       Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
>                        Description: Patch for mailman 2.0beta2, fixed: archival of moderated mails
>
>    Part 1.3.5.1.2Type: application/pgp-signature
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] v2.0beta2 three patches
> Data: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:16:09 -0500 (CDT)
> Da: Doug Hughes <Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU>
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> >
> >The third fixes a bug for archival of moderated mails.
> >
>
> excellent! Yes, I posted about this bug last week but
> received no response. Much appreciated!
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] v2.0beta2 three patches
> Data: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:20:48 -0500 (CDT)
> Da: Doug Hughes <Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU>
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> >The third fixes a bug for archival of moderated mails.
> >
>
> More background: The bug manifests itself as anything that
> must be approved by the moderator does not make it to
> the pipermail archive. It does, however, make it into the
> .mbox archive, but with a missing MBOX From line.
>
> This bug affects 2.0beta1 and 2.0beta2
>
> Here is a simple Perl script to fix the .mbox file.
> Direct it into a new file. move the original pipermail
> archive directory to e.g. listname-bak, then run arch
> on the new mbox file, chown the listname dir to the appropriate
> owner (e.g. daemon), and then copy the new perl generated
> .mbox file over the old one. (if you feel uncomfortable about
> this, do a diff on list.mbox/list.mbox and the new file
> previous to the arch and copying steps.
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> while (<>) {
>     if (/^Received:/ && $last eq "\n") {
>         $keep = $_;
>         $done = 0;
>         while ($done != 2) {
>             $_ = <>;    # Get next line
>             if (/^Date: /) {
>                 $done++;
>                 ($label, $dow, $dom, $mon, $yr, $time) = split(/[\s,]+/);
>             }
>             if (/^From:.*<(.*)>/) {
>                 $done++;
>                 $fr = $1;
>             }
>             $keep .= $_;
>         }
>         print "From $fr  $dow $mon $dom $time $yr\n";
>         print $keep;
>
>     } else {
>         $last = $_;
>         print;
>     }
> }
>
> example with a list called testlist
>
> cd $mailmanhome/archives/(private|public)
> mv testlist testlist.bak
> perlscript < testlist.mbox/testlist.mbox > newtl.mbox
> diff newtl.mbox testlist.mbox/testlist.mbox
> .. < text containing new From lines in newtl.mbox > ...
> ../../bin/arch testlist newtl.mbox
> chown -R daemon testlist
> mv newtl.mbox testlist.mbox/testlist.mbox
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From j.rogerson at edscout.net  Sat Apr 22 00:36:31 2000
From: j.rogerson at edscout.net (Johnpaul Rogerson)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:36:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second plea for help
Message-ID: <000801bfabe2$0ea90620$3d8875c2@tardis>

I have installed mailman 1.1 everything went ok until i tried to access the web interface this gave me an internal server error.
I looked at the error log file and it told me i had a premature end of script headers 
can anyone help me to solve this.

Thanks 

JP
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr 22 02:38:20 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:38:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second plea for help
Message-ID: <200004220038.RAA06441@utopia.west.sun.com>

Don't send vague descriptions of the error messages; send the
exact messages, cut and pasted from your screen.  This is only
vaguely better than "I tried to use it and it broke."

> I have installed mailman 1.1 everything went ok until i tried to access the 
web interface this gave me an internal server error.
> I looked at the error log file and it told me i had a premature end of script 
headers 
> can anyone help me to solve this.
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> JP




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Apr 22 02:40:46 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:40:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200004220040.RAA06608@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Okay, you recieve a mail with commands I tried that before. User commands.
> 
> When you do: subscribe [admin-password] address=[address] he still asks
> for administrator approval.

Are you trying to say that when you subscribe a user with email,
the Mailman software still sends a request to the administrator to
approve the subscription?  Yes, of course, that's true...email
subscription is no different because of the user it's coming from.

If you're saying "is there a way to bypass that", well, no, no 
way that I know of.  You could always turn off any sort of approval,
do your email subscriptions, and then turn the approval back on.

You can batch-subscribe users from the admin web page, too, but you
can't give them passwords; I'm not sure if that bypasses the 
normal approval mechanism or not.

It would be nice to have a way to "batch-subscribe" users and be able
to give them a known password.




From matt at atopia.net  Sat Apr 22 04:39:51 2000
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:39:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <390110F7.D2044C8C@atopia.net>

Hi.
I have a question.
With Mailman, as a list owner, is there anyway to ONLY allow certain
people to post and automatically deny other people posting access?
I know there is a way to make certain people be able to get through
without being authorized for postings, but still, our mailing list admin
keeps getting messages saying "This user wants to post", etc.
When really our mailing list is more of a company "newsletter"...so the
postings only come from the admin.
Is there a way to do this?

Thanks.

-Matt




From dannyf at isdn.net.il  Sat Apr 22 02:19:45 2000
From: dannyf at isdn.net.il (InterVision)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:19:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEWLIST PROBLEM PLEASE HELP
Message-ID: <001c01bfabf0$77a0f080$ae7419d4@l9c3h8>

When runing the NEWLIST command i get the flowing error:
#/home/mailman/bin/newlist
Enter the name of the list: iv
Enter the email of the person running the list: dan at newmaoi.net
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 154, in ?
    main(sys.argv)
  File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 101, in main
    list_pw = getpass.getpass("Initial %s password: " % listname)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/getpass.py", line 44, in getpass
    termios.tcsetattr(fd, TERMIOS.TCSADRAIN, old)
termios.error: (22, 'Invalid argument')

Please Help !




From j.rogerson at edscout.net  Sat Apr 22 11:47:50 2000
From: j.rogerson at edscout.net (Johnpaul Rogerson)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:47:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second plea for help
References: <200004220038.RAA06441@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <002101bfac3f$d38f3c40$323f30d5@tardis>

Error in error_log
[Fri Apr 21 23:29:46 2000] [error] [client 194.117.136.61] Premature end of
scri
pt headers: /www/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

cgi.log returns

[2000-04-21 23:29:46]: uid: (admin/admin) gid: (mailman/mailman) cmd: admin
[2000-04-21 23:29:46]: directory is writable by others:
(/home/httpd/vhtdocs/mai
ler/mailman/cgi-bin)

Is this more help to you

JP


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <j.rogerson at edscout.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Second plea for help


> Don't send vague descriptions of the error messages; send the
> exact messages, cut and pasted from your screen.  This is only
> vaguely better than "I tried to use it and it broke."
>
> > I have installed mailman 1.1 everything went ok until i tried to access
the
> web interface this gave me an internal server error.
> > I looked at the error log file and it told me i had a premature end of
script
> headers
> > can anyone help me to solve this.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > JP
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From otaylor at redhat.com  Sat Apr 22 21:55:32 2000
From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor)
Date: 22 Apr 2000 15:55:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: v2.0beta2 three patches
Message-ID: <ybewvlpq5aj.fsf@fresnel.labs.redhat.com>

> Here is a simple Perl script to fix the .mbox file.
> Direct it into a new file. move the original pipermail
> archive directory to e.g. listname-bak, then run arch
> on the new mbox file, chown the listname dir to the appropriate
> owner (e.g. daemon), and then copy the new perl generated
> .mbox file over the old one. (if you feel uncomfortable about
> this, do a diff on list.mbox/list.mbox and the new file
> previous to the arch and copying steps.

Hmm, your script doesn't quite do the right thing in all cases:

 - All messages do not begin with a Received-From line
   (Delivered-To and Return-Path are two found in my 
   mailboxes)

 - All date formats legal in a Date line are not legal
   in the unix from line, and mailbox.py will not
   recognize such incorrect unix from lines as message
   separators.

I don't have a patch right now (the first one is easy to fix,
the second one quite hard) - but wanted to put out that warning.
People may want to wait before trying to fix up their
mailboxes.

Regards,
                                        Owen

  



From scott at emji.net  Sun Apr 23 04:11:56 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:11:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0b2 errors
Message-ID: <5137085.3165430316@sdhcp5.emji.net>

Getting these errors in the logs:
Apr 21 14:38:19 2000 post(24584): Traceback (innermost last):
post(24584):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 71, in ?
post(24584):      main()
post(24584):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 65, in main
post(24584):      mlist.Save()
post(24584):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 845, in Save
post(24584):      os.link(fname, fname_last)
post(24584): OSError :  [Errno 17] File exists

This may be related to my next question which is why can i not approve 
posts?  I have around 40,000 subscribers to this announce-only list.  Every 
time the approve post option is selected, the browser goes out to make a 
request and eventually comes back with a Document contains no data error. 
The post never goes out.  This listed was tested extensively with smaller 
numbers of users in the previous weeks, and seemed to work fine in the 
small cases.  Is there a limitation on mailman for # of subscribers?

Any insight would be appreciated.

s

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From doug at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Sun Apr 23 16:11:46 2000
From: doug at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:11:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: v2.0beta2 three patches
In-Reply-To: <ybewvlpq5aj.fsf@fresnel.labs.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10004230910190.16879-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>

On 22 Apr 2000, Owen Taylor wrote:

> 
> > Here is a simple Perl script to fix the .mbox file.
> > Direct it into a new file. move the original pipermail
> > archive directory to e.g. listname-bak, then run arch
> > on the new mbox file, chown the listname dir to the appropriate
> > owner (e.g. daemon), and then copy the new perl generated
> > .mbox file over the old one. (if you feel uncomfortable about
> > this, do a diff on list.mbox/list.mbox and the new file
> > previous to the arch and copying steps.
> 
> Hmm, your script doesn't quite do the right thing in all cases:
> 
>  - All messages do not begin with a Received-From line
>    (Delivered-To and Return-Path are two found in my 
>    mailboxes)
> 
>  - All date formats legal in a Date line are not legal
>    in the unix from line, and mailbox.py will not
>    recognize such incorrect unix from lines as message
>    separators.
> 
> I don't have a patch right now (the first one is easy to fix,
> the second one quite hard) - but wanted to put out that warning.
> People may want to wait before trying to fix up their
> mailboxes.
> 

Good point! It found another problem when the last message doesn't
have a From line (which I fixed). That said, I didn't run into the
other two problems, fortunately for me. THese lists were relatively
new conversions from another format to mailman-2.0, so there weren't
that many messages to 'fix'.


____________________________________________________________________________
Doug Hughes					Engineering Network Services
System/Net Admin  				Auburn University
			doug at eng.auburn.edu




From kd5de at nwla.com  Sun Apr 23 18:44:19 2000
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:44:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <39032863.B91AFD97@nwla.com>

I have been using mailman 1.1 from the red Hat rpm for awhile now
and still haven't found any solid docs on howto setup virtual
domains. I have searched the archives and found bits and pieces. I
did grab the tarball for version 2 since the info page stated that
it had virtual domain support built in but still looking through the
tar file no info. Can anyone give me this info.
									Mel
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From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Sun Apr 23 23:00:08 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:00:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEWLIST PROBLEM PLEASE HELP
References: <001c01bfabf0$77a0f080$ae7419d4@l9c3h8>
Message-ID: <39036458.2447451@west.sun.com>

So TCSADRAIN doesn't work.  Do you think maybe going and investigating
that might be good?  Do you think that maybe "what OS" and "how is it built"
might impact those investigations?

If you think that, you're right..


InterVision wrote:

> When runing the NEWLIST command i get the flowing error:
> #/home/mailman/bin/newlist
> Enter the name of the list: iv
> Enter the email of the person running the list: dan at newmaoi.net
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 154, in ?
>     main(sys.argv)
>   File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 101, in main
>     list_pw = getpass.getpass("Initial %s password: " % listname)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/getpass.py", line 44, in getpass
>     termios.tcsetattr(fd, TERMIOS.TCSADRAIN, old)
> termios.error: (22, 'Invalid argument')
>
> Please Help !
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Sun Apr 23 23:02:03 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Second plea for help
References: <200004220038.RAA06441@utopia.west.sun.com> <002101bfac3f$d38f3c40$323f30d5@tardis>
Message-ID: <390364CB.A50C99FB@west.sun.com>

Obviously.  And it's more help to you, too.  See that line that says
directory is writable by others: (/home/httpd/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman/cgi-bin)?

That's surely the problem.  Your webserver won't do that.  Make the
directory not have the '002' bit set.


Johnpaul Rogerson wrote:

> Error in error_log
> [Fri Apr 21 23:29:46 2000] [error] [client 194.117.136.61] Premature end of
> scri
> pt headers: /www/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
>
> cgi.log returns
>
> [2000-04-21 23:29:46]: uid: (admin/admin) gid: (mailman/mailman) cmd: admin
> [2000-04-21 23:29:46]: directory is writable by others:
> (/home/httpd/vhtdocs/mai
> ler/mailman/cgi-bin)
>
> Is this more help to you
>
> JP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <j.rogerson at edscout.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 1:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Second plea for help
>
> > Don't send vague descriptions of the error messages; send the
> > exact messages, cut and pasted from your screen.  This is only
> > vaguely better than "I tried to use it and it broke."
> >
> > > I have installed mailman 1.1 everything went ok until i tried to access
> the
> > web interface this gave me an internal server error.
> > > I looked at the error log file and it told me i had a premature end of
> script
> > headers
> > > can anyone help me to solve this.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > JP
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >




From dion at todayshosting.com  Mon Apr 24 05:22:38 2000
From: dion at todayshosting.com (Dion Todd)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:22:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Problem
Message-ID: <005401bfad9c$58574140$0200a8c0@tcc.net>

He all, mailman Newbie here. I have  a linux server running Mandrake 7 and a postfix mail setup.   I installed mailman on it. I tried to follow the directions as best I could and all seemed to go fine and complete with no errors.

When I create a list, it sends me the mail as it should but when I go to the link it provides to admin or as a  user the web server says. "You are not allowed to access this file".

Also, When I send a message to it with "help" in the subject as it suggest it gets rejected with a :
<test-request at nix.domain.com>: Command died with status 1:
    "/home/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

Has to be a permission problem but at this time I have follwed the instructions as close as I know how and nothing I seem to change helps. When I "configured mailman I used the 99 and 251 for user and group permissions. should i have used a "name" instead?  thanks for any help in this.


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From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Mon Apr 24 05:51:51 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:51:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Problem
References: <005401bfad9c$58574140$0200a8c0@tcc.net>
Message-ID: <3903C4D7.1385B590@west.sun.com>


Dion Todd wrote:

>He all, mailman Newbie here.

> When I create a list, it sends me the mail as it should but when I go to the link it provides to admin or as a  > user
the web server says. "You are not allowed to access this file".

I didn't see anywhere where you said you edited your webserver config file.

> Also, When I send a message to it with "help" in the subject as it suggest it gets rejected with a :
> <test-request at nix.domain.com>: Command died with status 1:
>     "/home/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

What do your MTA logs say?

What happens if you try to exec wrapper mailcmd test as the alias/postfix do?








From chris at memes.org  Mon Apr 24 07:01:57 2000
From: chris at memes.org (Chris Abraham)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:01:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken Mailman
References: <20000423160006.206BA1CDC4@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <039101bfadaa$464c14e0$0415fed8@speakeasy.org>

Hi:

I am using Mailman 1.0 on my formerly Linux RedHat 5.2 box.  I just upgraded
to 6.1 and the Mailman install is broken.  I am trying to get a message out
of it, but it was about the mail handler...

Chris Abraham




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Mon Apr 24 09:31:00 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:31:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken Mailman
References: <20000423160006.206BA1CDC4@dinsdale.python.org> <039101bfadaa$464c14e0$0415fed8@speakeasy.org>
Message-ID: <3903F834.3163CCF3@west.sun.com>


Chris Abraham wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I am using Mailman 1.0 on my formerly Linux RedHat 5.2 box.  I just upgraded
> to 6.1 and the Mailman install is broken.  I am trying to get a message out
> of it, but it was about the mail handler...
>
> Chris Abraham

What sort of response do you expect from this, exactly?

"Oh, too bad?"

Come on, Chris, how could anyone possibly help you with this sort of
message?





From jcrey at uma.es  Mon Apr 24 12:35:20 2000
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:35:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1
References: <048d01bfa61e$d41f1620$3e04030a@gibralter.com>
Message-ID: <39042368.5420E119@uma.es>

Dan Southwick wrote:
> 
> Please help. I'm running mailman ver 1.1 on a redhat 6.1 box ( 450 PIII 512
> Megs of ram ) and I keep getting the following error:
> 
> The original message was received at Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:31:53 -0400
> from mta113.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.219]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"
>     (expanded from: <prof-admin at list.internationalwhoswho.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"... unknown mailer error 1
> 
> Any help would be very helpful.
> 

You need specify wrapper in sendmail restricted shell:
link wrapper in /etc/smrsh
ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper .

Cheers
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From kd5de at nwla.com  Mon Apr 24 12:50:10 2000
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:50:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1
References: <048d01bfa61e$d41f1620$3e04030a@gibralter.com> <39042368.5420E119@uma.es>
Message-ID: <390426E2.3972CEC5@nwla.com>

Juan Carlos Rey Anaya wrote:
> 
> Dan Southwick wrote:
> >
> > Please help. I'm running mailman ver 1.1 on a redhat 6.1 box ( 450 PIII 512
> > Megs of ram ) and I keep getting the following error:
> >
> > The original message was received at Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:31:53 -0400
> > from mta113.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.219]
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"
> >     (expanded from: <prof-admin at list.internationalwhoswho.com>)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > 554 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"... unknown mailer error 1
> >
> > Any help would be very helpful.
> >
> 
> You need specify wrapper in sendmail restricted shell:
> link wrapper in /etc/smrsh
> ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper .
> 
> Cheers
> --
Actually if you did the RPM install for Red Hat 6.1 the link would
be a bit different
cd /etc/smrsh
ln -s /usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper
								Enjoy
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From dsouthwick at gibralter.com  Mon Apr 24 14:30:37 2000
From: dsouthwick at gibralter.com (Dan Southwick)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:30:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1
References: <048d01bfa61e$d41f1620$3e04030a@gibralter.com> <39042368.5420E119@uma.es>
Message-ID: <04de01bfade8$e58b6900$3e04030a@gibralter.com>

The wrapper has been linked.

Besides if it wasn't linked in the /etc/smrsh dir I'd be getting an 'unknown
mailer error 2' --- that was covered in the install doc's and FAQ. But I
cannot figure out if I have the permissions right or what.? The install docs
cover the number 2 issue, but I can not find an article on error number 1.

Also if you note my previous message:

554 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"... unknown mailer error 1

I've already linked the wrapper. Is there some sort of special permissions I
should have on the link or on the file its-self?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Carlos Rey Anaya" <jcrey at uma.es>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1


> Dan Southwick wrote:
> >
> > Please help. I'm running mailman ver 1.1 on a redhat 6.1 box ( 450 PIII
512
> > Megs of ram ) and I keep getting the following error:
> >
> > The original message was received at Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:31:53 -0400
> > from mta113.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.219]
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"
> >     (expanded from: <prof-admin at list.internationalwhoswho.com>)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > 554 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner prof"... unknown mailer error 1
> >
> > Any help would be very helpful.
> >
>
> You need specify wrapper in sendmail restricted shell:
> link wrapper in /etc/smrsh
> ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper .
>
> Cheers
> --
>                           ___
>                          / F \
>                         [[[]]]]
>                         ( O O )
>    #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
>    |    Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es)      |
>    |      Servicio Central de inform?tica         |
>    |       Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a         |
>    #----------------------------------------------#
>    #      Solo se que cada vez se menos :-|       #
>    #----------------------------------------------#
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com  Mon Apr 24 22:12:14 2000
From: WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com (Wayne Ringling)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:12:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain help.  Is there a how to in order to set this up?
Message-ID: <AD16479CE7C5D2118A6C00E0290BA93745DB@SRV-BDC-EMAIL>

  I would like to find info or man page on Mailman for virtual hosting....

  I want to have a setup like this

  server at domain.com - default domain

  mailinglist at domain.com - vitual for mailing list

  I know how to do the apache part,  virtual sendmail,
  what would be the best way to do the aliases that I
  need to create?  I saw on the features page support
  for virtual domains but I did not see and docs for it?

  Any info greatly appreciated.  Thankyou

 Wayne Ringling



From WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com  Mon Apr 24 22:20:32 2000
From: WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com (Wayne Ringling)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:20:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Opps,  last msg should read like this... sorry
Message-ID: <AD16479CE7C5D2118A6C00E0290BA93745DC@SRV-BDC-EMAIL>


  I would like to find info or man page on Mailman for virtual hosting....

  I want to have a setup like this

  server.domain.com - default domain

  mailinglist.domain.com - vitual for mailing list

  I know how to do the apache part,  virtual sendmail,
  what would be the best way to do the aliases that I
  need to create?  I saw on the features page support
  for virtual domains but I did not see and docs for it?

  Any info greatly appreciated.  Thankyou

 Wayne Ringling




From jcrey at uma.es  Tue Apr 25 09:14:42 2000
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:14:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1
References: <048d01bfa61e$d41f1620$3e04030a@gibralter.com> <39042368.5420E119@uma.es> <04de01bfade8$e58b6900$3e04030a@gibralter.com>
Message-ID: <390545E2.A27D806@uma.es>

Dan Southwick wrote:
> 
> The wrapper has been linked.
> 
> Besides if it wasn't linked in the /etc/smrsh dir I'd be getting an 'unknown
> mailer error 2' --- that was covered in the install doc's and FAQ. But I
> cannot figure out if I have the permissions right or what.? The install docs
> cover the number 2 issue, but I can not find an article on error number 1.
> 
> Also if you note my previous message:
> 
> 554 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper  mailowner prof"... unknown mailer error 1

Try "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner prof" instead

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From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Apr 25 20:14:10 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:14:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A few mailman issues
In-Reply-To: <390545E2.A27D806@uma.es>; from jcrey@uma.es on mar, avr 25, 2000 at 09:14:42 +0200
References: <048d01bfa61e$d41f1620$3e04030a@gibralter.com> <39042368.5420E119@uma.es> <04de01bfade8$e58b6900$3e04030a@gibralter.com> <390545E2.A27D806@uma.es>
Message-ID: <20000425111410.A16237@marc.merlins.org>

1) arch eats up all my memory and hangs when processing a message that has a
   12MB attachment (my machine has 1G of memory)

2) When mailman creates an archive mbox file, it puts a empty line at the
   beginning. This is annoying as it prevents me from doing 
   mutt -f list.mbox

3) It would be really cool if the admin web interface would let me click on
   a link to edit the held message (headers and body) before I approve it
   (in a textarea)

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
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Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From scott at emji.net  Tue Apr 25 20:23:33 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:23:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble approvong posts **URGENT**
Message-ID: <19036829.3165661413@sdhcp5.emji.net>

I have a post to a new list of 40,000 subscribers.
Submitting the post sends me(the owner) an email to approve.  When I go to 
the the screen to approve it just sits there processing and eventually 
times out with a 'Document contains no data' error.  The post never gets 
sent.  There are no errors in the log files.

This list was tested extensively with smaller numbers of users in the 
previous weeks, and seemed to work fine in the small cases.  Is there a 
limitation on mailman for # of subscribers?

Any insight would be appreciated.  This post was supposed to go out on 
Monday.

s


--
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voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Apr 25 20:31:14 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:31:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FD5@email.cu-portland.edu>

I realize that HTML email is evil, but I think this is one place where it
would be REALLY useful.  I'm subscribed to a couple of digested mailman
lists, and I've tried both plain text and MIME encodings, neither is
satisfactory.  It seems that all of the pieces are there, just not put
together in any useful fasion.  Here's what I'd like to propose as a
"option":  HTML messages.  The digest functions already parse the messages,
remove the subjects, and chop it up into pieces for the MIME parts, and
stick everything together in a semi-coherent fasion for the plain text
version.  To get useful HTML, all it would take would be to have the digest
function put in a name anchor (you know, the little page.html#gohere thing)
where it puts the messages together, and put links into where it puts all of
the subjects that point to those name anchors.  Plus, if you make (leave?)
the default digested mode as plain text, you won't get people who can't
handle HTML email getting it, the same way that you avoid that with MIME.
So, anybody think this is good, bad, ugly, or otherwise?  
	Greg



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Apr 25 20:40:41 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:40:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FD6@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Echeverri [mailto:rone at macromedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 11:35 AM
> To: Gregory Leblanc
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
> 
> 
> Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>   So, anybody think this is good, bad, ugly, or otherwise?  
> 
> IMO, HTML in e-mail is simply inappropriate because of the many e-mail
> readers that don't support HTML.

That's why I said that it should be optional, and turned off by default.
	Greg



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Tue Apr 25 20:44:56 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:44:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
References: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FD5@email.cu-portland.edu>
Message-ID: <3905E7A8.1A5315A5@west.sun.com>

I think it's a good idea.

Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> I realize that HTML email is evil, but I think this is one place where it
> would be REALLY useful.  I'm subscribed to a couple of digested mailman
> lists, and I've tried both plain text and MIME encodings, neither is
> satisfactory.  It seems that all of the pieces are there, just not put
> together in any useful fasion.  Here's what I'd like to propose as a
> "option":  HTML messages.  The digest functions already parse the messages,
> remove the subjects, and chop it up into pieces for the MIME parts, and
> stick everything together in a semi-coherent fasion for the plain text
> version.  To get useful HTML, all it would take would be to have the digest
> function put in a name anchor (you know, the little page.html#gohere thing)
> where it puts the messages together, and put links into where it puts all of
> the subjects that point to those name anchors.  Plus, if you make (leave?)
> the default digested mode as plain text, you won't get people who can't
> handle HTML email getting it, the same way that you avoid that with MIME.
> So, anybody think this is good, bad, ugly, or otherwise?
>         Greg
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mats at laplaza.org  Tue Apr 25 21:08:08 2000
From: mats at laplaza.org (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:08:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
In-Reply-To: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FD5@email.cu-portland.e
 du>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000425130808.00e8d690@laplaza.org>

At 11:31 AM 04/25/2000 -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>I realize that HTML email is evil, but I think this is one place where it
>would be REALLY useful.  
...
>So, anybody think this is good, bad, ugly, or otherwise?  
>	Greg

I have also found the usefulness of digests limited by the
lack of hyperlinks.  Given the proposed defaults - i.e. this
is an opt-in item, and that the html is limited to this
very basic set - tags and links - even mailers such as the 
Eudora 3.x series that have only a partial knowledge of html 
and get most of it wrong should be okay.   I like the idea.




From msensney at owt.com  Tue Apr 25 21:28:14 2000
From: msensney at owt.com (Mike Sensney)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:28:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000425130808.00e8d690@laplaza.org>
References: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FD5@email.cu-portland.e du>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000425122814.00e4c0f8@owt.com>

At 01:08 PM 4/25/2000 -0600, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>At 11:31 AM 04/25/2000 -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>>I realize that HTML email is evil, but I think this is one place where it
>>would be REALLY useful.  
>...
>>So, anybody think this is good, bad, ugly, or otherwise?  
>>	Greg
>
>I have also found the usefulness of digests limited by the
>lack of hyperlinks.  Given the proposed defaults - i.e. this
>is an opt-in item, and that the html is limited to this
>very basic set - tags and links - even mailers such as the 
>Eudora 3.x series that have only a partial knowledge of html 
>and get most of it wrong should be okay.   I like the idea.

It would not be too great a step to go from this to a web page where you
have the index to the left and messages on the right. Click your way
through the messages you are interested in.



From claw at cp.net  Tue Apr 25 21:52:47 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:52:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> 
   of "Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:31:14 PDT." <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FD5@email.cu-portland.edu> 
References: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FD5@email.cu-portland.edu> 
Message-ID: <E12kBO3-00076D-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:31:14 -0700 
Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu> wrote:

> I realize that HTML email is evil, but I think this is one place
> where it would be REALLY useful.  I'm subscribed to a couple of
> digested mailman lists, and I've tried both plain text and MIME
> encodings, neither is satisfactory.  It seems that all of the
> pieces are there, just not put together in any useful fasion.
> Here's what I'd like to propose as a "option": HTML messages.  The
> digest functions already parse the messages, remove the subjects,
> and chop it up into pieces for the MIME parts, and stick
> everything together in a semi-coherent fasion for the plain text
> version.  To get useful HTML, all it would take would be to have
> the digest function put in a name anchor (you know, the little
> page.html#gohere thing) where it puts the messages together, and
> put links into where it puts all of the subjects that point to
> those name anchors.  Plus, if you make (leave?)  the default
> digested mode as plain text, you won't get people who can't handle
> HTML email getting it, the same way that you avoid that with MIME.

Reliably and correctly parsing and reconstructing MIME messages is a
non-trivial problem.  What you are proposing is even less trivial.

That said, I'd argue that the major problem with digests is that
people read them rather than bursting them back into individual
messages and then reading those messages as per normal.  Digests are
very useful in helping handling transport related problems (eg
message count, mailbox quotas, work interruptions, etc), but are an
absolutely lousy form for people to actually use, read, or
manipulate.  

-- 
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----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Apr 25 21:59:09 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:59:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format? 
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FDB@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at cp.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 12:53 PM
> To: Gregory Leblanc
> Cc: Mailman-Users list (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format? 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:31:14 -0700 
> Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu> wrote:
> 
> > I realize that HTML email is evil, but I think this is one place
> > where it would be REALLY useful.  I'm subscribed to a couple of
> > digested mailman lists, and I've tried both plain text and MIME
> > encodings, neither is satisfactory.  It seems that all of the
> > pieces are there, just not put together in any useful fasion.
> > Here's what I'd like to propose as a "option": HTML messages.  The
> > digest functions already parse the messages, remove the subjects,
> > and chop it up into pieces for the MIME parts, and stick
> > everything together in a semi-coherent fasion for the plain text
> > version.  To get useful HTML, all it would take would be to have
> > the digest function put in a name anchor (you know, the little
> > page.html#gohere thing) where it puts the messages together, and
> > put links into where it puts all of the subjects that point to
> > those name anchors.  Plus, if you make (leave?)  the default
> > digested mode as plain text, you won't get people who can't handle
> > HTML email getting it, the same way that you avoid that with MIME.
> 
> Reliably and correctly parsing and reconstructing MIME messages is a
> non-trivial problem.  What you are proposing is even less trivial.
> 
> That said, I'd argue that the major problem with digests is that
> people read them rather than bursting them back into individual
> messages and then reading those messages as per normal.  Digests are
> very useful in helping handling transport related problems (eg
> message count, mailbox quotas, work interruptions, etc), but are an
> absolutely lousy form for people to actually use, read, or
> manipulate.  

HTML digests solves that problem.  Besides, how would you break the digest
up into useful parts again, it's already been smeared together.  I think
HTML is a much better solution to this problem.  I don't know python, so I'm
not sure how well suited to this it would be, but it's probably less than 20
hours coding to put together an alpha quality release of HTML digests for
somebody who does know it, or something similar using Perl.  
	Greg



From esew at verio.net  Tue Apr 25 22:24:26 2000
From: esew at verio.net (Erik S.E. Walum)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:24:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe not getting posted info
Message-ID: <20000425132426.C23468@verio.net>

from http://<webaddress>/mailman/listinfo/<listname>
under: subscribing to <listname>  

You type your email address password, and password again, 

there are 2 problems.

First: the radio buttons that are supposed to exist after 
"Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? "
don't exist.

also, after entering your email address and password and hit submit, 
the subscription results page that comes up says:

You must supply a valid email address.
You must supply a valid password, and confirm it.

It strikes me that the cgi simply isn't getting the posted data.
Any help appreciated.

Tia

-- 
Erik Walum <esew at verio.net> 
Internet Systems Engineer
Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team



From rone at macromedia.com  Tue Apr 25 22:50:06 2000
From: rone at macromedia.com (Ron Echeverri)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:50:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
In-Reply-To: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FDB@email.cu-portland.edu> from
 Gregory Leblanc at "Apr 25, 2000 12:59:09 pm"
Message-ID: <20000425205006.A84EE2594@karach.macromedia.com>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
[redirecting this to the list, since my initial email went to Greg only]
  HTML digests solves that problem.  Besides, how would you break the digest
  up into useful parts again, it's already been smeared together.  I think
  HTML is a much better solution to this problem.  I don't know python, so I'm
  not sure how well suited to this it would be, but it's probably less than 20
  hours coding to put together an alpha quality release of HTML digests for
  somebody who does know it, or something similar using Perl.  

This is all silly.  Keep HTML on HTTP servers, and keep regular text
in email.  If people want to see the digest as individual messages,
they should read the pipermail archives.  There's no need to reinvent
the wheel.
  
rone
-- 
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Macromedia, Inc.		Cell:	+1-415-2547942
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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Apr 25 22:58:32 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:58:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F7FDE@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Echeverri [mailto:rone at macromedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 1:50 PM
> To: Gregory Leblanc
> Cc: Mailman-Users list (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest message format?
> 
> 
> Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> [redirecting this to the list, since my initial email went to 
> Greg only]
>   HTML digests solves that problem.  Besides, how would you 
> break the digest
>   up into useful parts again, it's already been smeared 
> together.  I think
>   HTML is a much better solution to this problem.  I don't 
> know python, so I'm
>   not sure how well suited to this it would be, but it's 
> probably less than 20
>   hours coding to put together an alpha quality release of 
> HTML digests for
>   somebody who does know it, or something similar using Perl.  
> 
> This is all silly.  Keep HTML on HTTP servers, and keep regular text
> in email.  If people want to see the digest as individual messages,
> they should read the pipermail archives.  There's no need to reinvent
> the wheel.

ok, how about making it possible to link the mail to the pipermail archives.
I just want a functional way to use digests so that I don't get mail from
all of these lists ever 4 minutes.  I want the digest to reduce the overhead
and message counts.  My proposal was one way to make them more useable, not
the only one.
ok, I need to calm down probably, but here's exactly what I want out of the
digest that I get in my mailbox.  First, I want a list of the messages that
came through the list since the last digest.  This let's me quickly see if
there are any that I want to read, and if not just pitch the email.  Then if
there are any that I do want to read, I want a quick way to get to that
message without having to find it amidst all of the other posts that I'm not
interested in.  Once I'm done reading it, I want to get rid of the whole
message, because there's an archive online.  Is that too mch to ask?  
	Greg



From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Wed Apr 26 06:54:14 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:54:14 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML listinfo pages with digests disabled
In-Reply-To: <20000425132426.C23468@verio.net>; from esew@verio.net on Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 01:24:26PM -0700
References: <20000425132426.C23468@verio.net>
Message-ID: <20000426135414.A15610@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 01:24:26PM -0700, Erik S.E. Walum wrote:
> First: the radio buttons that are supposed to exist after 
> "Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? "
> don't exist.

Did the list administrator disable the "digestable" option?
("Can list members choose to receive list traffic bunched in digests?")

If it is disabled, you will see that behavior unless you edit the HTML for
the "General list information page."  Simply delete the table row that deals
with the digest:
      <tr>
        <td>Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily
        digest?
        </td>
        <td><MM-Undigest-Radio-Button> No
            <MM-Digest-Radio-Button>  Yes
        </TD>
      </tr>

(Yes, it would be nice if this section disappeared automagically when
"digestable" was turned off... but I think people are hesitant to submit
changes to the templating scheme until after some of the I18n issues
get settled.  So for now, have the list administrator delete the offending
section of the HTML for lists that are not digestable.)

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From yooseong at pcel3.snu.ac.kr  Wed Apr 26 09:28:28 2000
From: yooseong at pcel3.snu.ac.kr (Yooseong Yang <yooseong@kldp.org>)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:28:28 +0900 (KST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't run cgi-bin!!! help me
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004261618330.8247-100000@pcel3.snu.ac.kr>

I am Yooseong Yang and have some problems to install Mailman.
My Apache configuration file (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf) contains

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
<Directory /home/mailman>
allow from all
Options FollowSymLinks
</Directory>

After storing this content in it, I put an entry in  my browser to run
mailman like:
http://my.domain.kr/mailman/

My webrowser shows me an error message:
"403 Forbidden"
"You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server"

What is the problem? I would like someone to help me!!! Please

--
Yooseong Yang    ICQ#65184660   yooseong at kldp.org
Polymer and Colloid Engineering Laboratory
School of Chemical Engineering, Seoul National University
Phone: +82-2-874-9373		Fax: +82-2-873-7523
http://pcel3.snu.ac.kr/~yooseong     
        ##########################################
                       K\L\U\S\T\E\R
                 Kaist cLUSTER user group
           kluster-members at kluster.kaist.ac.kr
                http://kluster.kaist.ac.kr
        #########################################




From yooseong at pcel3.snu.ac.kr  Wed Apr 26 10:07:35 2000
From: yooseong at pcel3.snu.ac.kr (Yooseong Yang <yooseong@kldp.org>)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:07:35 +0900 (KST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't run cgi-bin!!! help me
In-Reply-To: <20000426163507.A16320@mail.dskk.co.jp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004261700140.8686-100000@pcel3.snu.ac.kr>

Thank Jim! But,
After I try to use your comment, I got an Mailman CGI error!!! like:

Should I re-configure mailman?
According to the above message, I could use "./configure
--with-cgi-gid=99"? Please get me an answer!!!
==========================================
Error message in Netscape browser:
Mailman CGI error!!!

The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set
by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
attention to the
--with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in your
syslog: 

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 505, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
99?) 
=================================
Should I re-configure mailman? 
According to the above message, I could use "./configure
--with-cgi-gid=99"? Please get me an answer!!! 


--
Yooseong Yang    ICQ#65184660   yooseong at kldp.org
Polymer and Colloid Engineering Laboratory
School of Chemical Engineering, Seoul National University
Phone: +82-2-874-9373		Fax: +82-2-873-7523
http://pcel3.snu.ac.kr/~yooseong     
        ##########################################
                       K\L\U\S\T\E\R
                 Kaist cLUSTER user group
           kluster-members at kluster.kaist.ac.kr
                http://kluster.kaist.ac.kr
        #########################################

On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Jim Tittsler wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 04:28:28PM +0900, Yooseong Yang <yooseong at kldp.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I am Yooseong Yang and have some problems to install Mailman.
> > My Apache configuration file (/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf) contains
> > 
> > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
> > Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> > <Directory /home/mailman>
> > allow from all
> > Options FollowSymLinks
> > </Directory>
> > 
> > After storing this content in it, I put an entry in  my browser to run
> > mailman like:
> > http://my.domain.kr/mailman/
> 
> Don't use that URL.  Try:
>               users:  http://my.domain.kr/mailman/listinfo/
> list administrators:  http://my.domain.kr/mailman/admin/
> 
> Jim
> 
> -- 
> Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
> Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/
> 




From wanted at debian.mwd.com.pl  Wed Apr 26 11:30:53 2000
From: wanted at debian.mwd.com.pl (Marcin Sochacki)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:30:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no confirmation when subscribing
Message-ID: <20000426113053.A26494@debian.mwd.com.pl>

Hello!

Would it be possible to set up Mailman not to require e-mail confirmation
of subscription? I just want to make an HTML form, where someone enters
his/her e-mail address and he/she is immediately subscribed (administrator's
approval is not necessary, too).

Marcin



From ashleyk at intekom.co.za  Wed Apr 26 11:44:48 2000
From: ashleyk at intekom.co.za (Ashley Kleynhans)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:44:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extracting e-mail addresses from config.db
Message-ID: <200004261144480450.009F415C@smtp.intekom.co.za>

Does anyone by any chance have a utility to extract e-mail addresses
from a corrupt config.db file.  One of our config.db files got corrupted
and we have restored an older instance of the file from backup but now
we need to add the corrupt details to the old file.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.




From rraman at ctp.com  Wed Apr 26 13:31:05 2000
From: rraman at ctp.com (Raghavan R M)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:01:05 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone configured mailman on Linux 6.1
Message-ID: <00f101bfaf72$e8fc88e0$b9402c95@bnglore.ctp.com>

Hi,

I have installed Mailman 1.1 on Linux 6.1 . The only issue i am having is
that i am not able to subscribe to the list through the web pages & i am not
able to post any messages.

Here is an example :

I have created a list called test with owner's address as rraman at ctp.com
It then created an email id as test at domain, i will have to send a mail to
this address to post messages.
It also creates a email id as test-request at domain, to which i can send all
the requests.

Now my questions :
1. Should the email ids test at domain & test-request at domain be created
manually
2. How does the posting work
3. Why is that i am not able to add members through the web.

Please let me know if any of have any solution.

Thanks for the help,

Raghavan





From deirdre at deirdre.net  Wed Apr 26 18:37:45 2000
From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:37:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists dead on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20000426162107.23B9B1CD22@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004260934190.12304-100000@rockhopper.deirdre.org>

Despite having followed the instructions, despite having (mostly) working
lists, they're completely broken now that I've upgraded to 2.0b2 (from
1.0r3). I'm getting:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post spindle"
    (expanded from: <spindle at weirdre.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post spindle"... unknown mailer error 2

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; adelie.deirdre.org

NOTHING else has changed on my mail setup. None of the responses I've read
in the archives seem applicable.

Any ideas?

-- 
_Deirdre   *   http://www.linuxcabal.org   *   http://www.deirdre.net
"Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount.
 And the tigers are getting hungry." -- Winston Churchill




From oarmas at mps.com.mx  Wed Apr 26 19:07:21 2000
From: oarmas at mps.com.mx (Omar Armas Aleman)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:07:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list not working
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004260934190.12304-100000@rockhopper.deirdre.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004261142300.9154-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>

I downloaded mailman-2.0beta2 in RH 6.2 and followed instructions in the
INSTALL file.
I added user and group mailman and did ./configure and make install
check_perms found no problems

Added this to apache:
Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public"
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin"

and restarted it.

Added mailman alias to aliases, created a new list, added test aliases to
/etc/aliases, typed "newaliases"

I receive the mail saying the test list was created, and that I can
configure it at:

http://linux.mpsnet.com.mx/mailman/admin/test
http://linux.mpsnet.com.mx/mailman/listinfo/test

But that pages aren't found by my browser, and I get no answer when send a
"help" to test-request at linux.mpsnet.com.mx.

Any idea about what is wrong?

For what I see http://linux.mpsnet.com.mx/mailman/admin/test ->
/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin/test, but that doesn't exist:

[oarmas at linux mailman-2.0beta2]$ ls -l ~mailman/cgi-bin/admin     
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     30278 Apr 25 18:37
/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

What am I doing wrong?


Omar





From deirdre at deirdre.net  Wed Apr 26 19:08:49 2000
From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:08:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists dead on upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004260934190.12304-100000@rockhopper.deirdre.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004261008050.12304-100000@rockhopper.deirdre.org>

You know, I figured it out. It wanted a different mail-gid than it had
before. I don't know why. ::shrug::

On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:

> Despite having followed the instructions, despite having (mostly) working
> lists, they're completely broken now that I've upgraded to 2.0b2 (from
> 1.0r3). I'm getting:
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post spindle"
>     (expanded from: <spindle at weirdre.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post spindle"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
>     [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; adelie.deirdre.org
> 
> NOTHING else has changed on my mail setup. None of the responses I've read
> in the archives seem applicable.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -- 
> _Deirdre   *   http://www.linuxcabal.org   *   http://www.deirdre.net
> "Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount.
>  And the tigers are getting hungry." -- Winston Churchill
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

-- 
_Deirdre   *   http://www.linuxcabal.org   *   http://www.deirdre.net
"Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount.
 And the tigers are getting hungry." -- Winston Churchill




From DrFrog at smartt.com  Wed Apr 26 19:35:28 2000
From: DrFrog at smartt.com (Clay)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:35:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help
Message-ID: <390728E0.F7DD8687@smartt.com>

hi trying to install mailman 
my perms are screwed up

and im not sure how to fix

Apr 25 16:48:33 www sendmail[12818]: QAA12817:
to="/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post tester",
ctladdr=<tester at virtual360.com>, delay=00:00:00, mailer=*file*,
stat=Can't create output: Permission denied

is the maillog error

my alias entries look like
## tester mailing list
## created: 25-Apr-2000 DrFrog
tester:                  "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post tester"
tester-admin:            "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner tester"
tester-request:          "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd tester"
tester-owner:            tester-admin

if someone can helkp me im quite new to this mail admin

thanks!!



From tg001 at dial.oleane.com  Thu Apr 27 09:07:42 2000
From: tg001 at dial.oleane.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:07:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup problem
Message-ID: <3907E73E.B95633A3@dial.oleane.com>

Hello,

My problem is quite simple:

	our mail server is behind a dial up connection, the mail is stocked on
our ISP's mail server until we open a connection. The mail is then
delivered to an IMAP server.

I would like to divert mail for mailman lists to another machine on the
LAN. Does some sendmail/IMAP guru have the secret recipie to do this?

TIA

Tony Grant



From yua at nycap.rr.com  Thu Apr 27 10:19:14 2000
From: yua at nycap.rr.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:19:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup problem
In-Reply-To: <3907E73E.B95633A3@dial.oleane.com>
Message-ID: <MMENIMJCNGIMEGNFIEJNOEBGCBAA.yua@nycap.rr.com>

> 	our mail server is behind a dial up connection, the mail is
> our ISP's mail server until we open a connection. The mail is then

if your service can get an ip address, then you shouldn't have problems to
send e-mails.  just run sendmail.

ayu




From doron at xacct.com  Thu Apr 27 14:26:50 2000
From: doron at xacct.com (Doron Ben Avraham)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:26:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 on Senmail 8.10/Mailman 1.1
Message-ID: <HDEKLIIAHJDIHIPAPAGGMEMICAAA.doron@xacct.com>

Hi
I have recently upgraded my MTA to sendmail version 8.10 (on a new machine)
I installed mailman 1.1 and created a list (also copied the old list alias,
that worked on the previous version) since then the lists don't work (i get
the error unknown mailer error 2 in the sendmail transcript)
Thanks for your help
Please send reply's to doron at acm.org

10x
Doron




From it-team at edinburgh-scout.org.uk  Thu Apr 27 17:44:22 2000
From: it-team at edinburgh-scout.org.uk (it-team)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:44:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
Message-ID: <016601bfb05f$79db7370$3d4330d5@tardis>

Does anyone now what this error is and how to fix it
mailman 1.1
python 1.5.2
redhat 6

Thanks




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON at scout.dsvr.co.uk>
To: <it-team at edinburgh-scout.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:36 PM
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2


> The original message was received at Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:36:33 +0100
> from usr1712-edi.cableinet.co.uk [213.48.67.61]
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/www/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (expanded from: <test-request at scout.dsvr.co.uk>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/www/vhtdocs/mailer/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown
mailer error 2
>
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From oarmas at mps.com.mx  Thu Apr 27 18:41:41 2000
From: oarmas at mps.com.mx (Omar Armas Aleman)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:41:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271136260.5386-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>

I installed mailman-2.0beta2 in RH6.2, and created "test" list, I can see
the web page of the list and added a few members, but when I send a mail
to the list, I don't receive anything. 
This is what I see en /var/log/maillog:

**************************************
Apr 27 11:35:56 linux
sendmail[5400]: LAA05400: Authentication-Warning: linux.mpsnet.com.mx: oarmas
owned process doing -bs
Apr 27 11:35:56 linux sendmail[5400]: LAA05400: from=<oarmas at mps.com.mx>,
size=327, class=0, pri=30327, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271135321.5386-100000 at linux.mpsnet.com.mx>,
proto=ESMTP, relay=oarmas at localhost
Apr 27 11:35:56 linux smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper post test
Apr 27 11:35:56 linux
sendmail[5401]: LAA05400: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test",
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Service unavailable
Apr 27 11:35:56 linux sendmail[5401]: LAA05400: LAA05401: DSN: Service
unavailable
Apr 27 11:35:57 linux sendmail[5401]: LAA05401: to=<oarmas at mps.com.mx>,
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp,
relay=mail.mps.com.mx. [200.4.49.47], stat=Sent (OK

*******************************

How can I fix it?

This is are the permisions of the wrapper:
[oarmas at linux src]$ ls -l /home/mailman/mail/wrapper 
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     30891 Apr 25 18:37 
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
[oarmas at linux src]$ 


I "did" newaliases and have the correct alias in  /etc/aliases.

Please help me.


Omar




From Cackrut at aol.com  Thu Apr 27 20:05:57 2000
From: Cackrut at aol.com (Cackrut at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:05:57 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie authorization
Message-ID: <fb.50114b5.2639db85@aol.com>

Hi All,

I am using Mailman, 1.1 I believe, on a Solaris 2.6 server.  It installed 
great and works great except for this one little problem.  When I try to go 
and admin my list as the administrator, I get kicked out of the admin page 
and I get an error telling me the cookie authorization failed.

Any clues as to how I might get around this?

Thanks for your time and help.

Chris Rutledge



From dave at geol.ucsb.edu  Thu Apr 27 20:49:28 2000
From: dave at geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Robbins)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:49:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add member from unix?
Message-ID: <200004271849.LAA25182@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>

I'm a recent convert to GNU Mailman and wondered if it is possible to
add a member to a list via the unix commmand line.

I have Mailman 1.1 on Solaris 7.

I also am still wondering if its possible to authorize non-members
for posting privileges to a list on a per host basis.
For example, is there a way to allow all users on yourhost.yourdomain.edu
to post to mylist at myhost?  Thanks.

Dave Robbins
--

             "The Fair"

   The fair, the fair, the wonderful fair
   What will I win?  A fish, duck or bear?
   I'll go buy some cotton candy, all sticky and pink
   I'll go play darts and win a pen full of ink.

   The fair, the fair, the wonderful fair
   What should I eat?  A plum, peach or pear?
   I'll ride the slide on a gunny sack
   I hope I win a beanie baby, especially Mac.

   The fair, the fair, the wonderful fair
   But now the fair is leaving town
   They are taking the ferris wheel down
   I'll just wait til next year
   And start all over again.

             Becky Robbins (age 8)



From pauls at quad-sys.com  Thu Apr 27 20:56:01 2000
From: pauls at quad-sys.com (Paul Stavrides)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:56:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list problems
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271136260.5386-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>
Message-ID: <39088D41.C92E044D@quad-sys.com>

I think this is an smrsh problem....

Is there a link to the wrapper program in /etc/smrsh  ?

-paul

Omar Armas Aleman wrote:

> I installed mailman-2.0beta2 in RH6.2, and created "test" list, I can see
> the web page of the list and added a few members, but when I send a mail
> to the list, I don't receive anything.
> This is what I see en /var/log/maillog:
>
> **************************************
> Apr 27 11:35:56 linux
> sendmail[5400]: LAA05400: Authentication-Warning: linux.mpsnet.com.mx: oarmas
> owned process doing -bs
> Apr 27 11:35:56 linux sendmail[5400]: LAA05400: from=<oarmas at mps.com.mx>,
> size=327, class=0, pri=30327, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271135321.5386-100000 at linux.mpsnet.com.mx>,
> proto=ESMTP, relay=oarmas at localhost
> Apr 27 11:35:56 linux smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper post test




From oarmas at mps.com.mx  Thu Apr 27 21:31:56 2000
From: oarmas at mps.com.mx (Omar Armas Aleman)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:31:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271426100.8911-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>


I want to setup an announce list with mailman.
This list must have a few addresses and I want that only a single e-mail
be able to post, not even the list members should have permision to do it.

Is this configuration correct?:
(From "Privacy Options")

Must posts be approved by an administrator? :  No

Restrict posting privilege to list 
members? : Yes


Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without
implicit approval requirement  :   mail at can.post




I did some tests and it seems to work. Apparently only mail at can.post
could post messages to the list.
Is this the correct way? Anything else I am missing?



Omar






From oarmas at mps.com.mx  Thu Apr 27 21:45:52 2000
From: oarmas at mps.com.mx (Omar Armas Aleman)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:45:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list problems
In-Reply-To: <39088D41.C92E044D@quad-sys.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271444190.8997-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>

> I think this is an smrsh problem....
> 
> Is there a link to the wrapper program in /etc/smrsh  ?
> 
> 
> > I installed mailman-2.0beta2 in RH6.2, and created "test" list, I can see
> > the web page of the list and added a few members, but when I send a mail
> > to the list, I don't receive anything.
> > This is what I see en /var/log/maillog:


That was the problem.
I did "ln -s /home/mailman/bin/wrapper /etc/smrsh" and now it works
great.

Thanks for all who answered me.

Omar




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Apr 27 21:59:09 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:59:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list problems
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271444190.8997-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>
Message-ID: <39089C0D.F3B564C7@west.sun.com>

By the way, this is *prominent* in the INSTALL document, so if you haven't yet
read that document from beginning to end, *GO READ IT NOW*.  This means *all*
of you Mailman admins.  You'll *need* that information; that's why it's already
there.

Omar Armas Aleman wrote:
> 
> > I think this is an smrsh problem....
> >
> > Is there a link to the wrapper program in /etc/smrsh  ?
> >
> >
> > > I installed mailman-2.0beta2 in RH6.2, and created "test" list, I can see
> > > the web page of the list and added a few members, but when I send a mail
> > > to the list, I don't receive anything.
> > > This is what I see en /var/log/maillog:
> 
> That was the problem.
> I did "ln -s /home/mailman/bin/wrapper /etc/smrsh" and now it works
> great.
> 
> Thanks for all who answered me.
> 
> Omar
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From yooseong at pcel3.snu.ac.kr  Fri Apr 28 02:57:34 2000
From: yooseong at pcel3.snu.ac.kr (Yooseong Yang)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:57:34 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public archive link problem!
Message-ID: <20000428095734.A2671@pcel3.snu.ac.kr>

I am Yooseong.

Everything is okay until archives(http://my.domain/pipermail/list/)
do not link to /home/mailman/archives/public.

in httpd.conf file,
Alias /pipermail/list/ /home/mailman/archives/

What is the problem? help me!!! I have alread read the installation
document in details...
-- 
--
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Polymer and Colloid Engineering Laboratory
School of Chemical Engineering, Seoul National University
Phone: +82-2-874-9373		Fax: +82-2-873-7523
http://pcel3.snu.ac.kr/~yooseong     
        ##########################################
                       K\L\U\S\T\E\R
                 Kaist cLUSTER user group
           kluster-members at kluster.kaist.ac.kr
                http://kluster.kaist.ac.kr
        #########################################



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Apr 28 05:07:36 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:07:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public archive link problem!
Message-ID: <200004280307.UAA11580@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Everything is okay until archives(http://my.domain/pipermail/list/)
> do not link to /home/mailman/archives/public.
> 
> in httpd.conf file,
> 
> Alias /pipermail/list/ /home/mailman/archives/
> 
> What is the problem? help me!!! I have alread read the installation
> document in details...

...and yet, when the document says:

    - Configure your Web server to point to the Pipermail public
      mailing list archives:

      For example, in Apache:

         Alias /pipermail/ $prefix/archives/public/

you, inexplicably, do this:

	Alias /pipermail/list/ /home/mailman/archives/


Do you not see the difference?




From scott at emji.net  Fri Apr 28 05:16:55 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions
Message-ID: <175960.3165866215@sdhcp4.emji.net>

posted to a new list with around 1000 subscrubers and got the following in 
the logs/smtp log:

Apr 27 15:40:30 2000 (28365) smtp for 1008 recips, completed in 122.794 
seconds

now the approval process seemed to run for a long time before it finished. 
is this time in the log an indictor of how long the cgi will run or 
something else?  this is related to my ealier questions about list size.  i 
am still having no luck sending posts to larger lists(>10k)

the web approval page keeps timing out.  is anyone running large moderated 
lists wth 2.0b2?  should i switch to 1.1?

any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

thanx

s

--
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EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Fri Apr 28 09:09:03 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:09:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add member from unix?
In-Reply-To: <200004271849.LAA25182@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>; from dave@geol.ucsb.edu on Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 11:49:28AM -0700
References: <200004271849.LAA25182@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID: <20000428090903.E4940@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 11:49:28AM -0700, Dave Robbins wrote:
> 
> I'm a recent convert to GNU Mailman and wondered if it is possible to
> add a member to a list via the unix commmand line.

mailman/bin/add_mebers ??
 
-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
I wonder why no company starts his manual with the words `We thank you
for buying this piece of shit. We have done our best to make this junk
as annoying as possible, and we assure that it will give you a
headache for the next two months. However, if you feel satisfied with
it, we will contact you for an expensive replacement.' 




From pawal at blipp.com  Fri Apr 28 15:59:34 2000
From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:59:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman2b2 errors with archiving
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004281556400.2677-100000@vic20.blipp.com>

Hi,

I have just set up Mailman for the first time. I have only one problem so
far, archiving does not work for me and my list.

The error log reports for each mail to the list:

post(27372):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py",
line 204, in ArchiveMail
post(27372):     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
post(27372):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py",
line 160, in __archive_to_mbox
post(27372):     post.SetHeader('Date', time.ctime(time.time()))
post(27372): AttributeError: SetHeader

What can I do to fix this?

Thanks,
Patrik

--
 patrik wallstrom     |      f o o d f i g h t
 tel: +46-8-6188428   |      s t o c k h o l m
 gsm: +46-708405080   |      - - - - - - - - -
 fax: +46-859827151   |




From wcarlson at vh.org  Fri Apr 28 17:20:34 2000
From: wcarlson at vh.org (Bill Carlson)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:20:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271426100.8911-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004281011230.22795-100000@ryoko.radiology.uiowa.edu>

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Omar Armas Aleman wrote:

> 
> 
> I want to setup an announce list with mailman.
> This list must have a few addresses and I want that only a single e-mail
> be able to post, not even the list members should have permision to do it.
> 
> Is this configuration correct?:
> (From "Privacy Options")
> 
> Must posts be approved by an administrator? :  No
> 
> Restrict posting privilege to list 
> members? : Yes
> 
> 
> Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without
> implicit approval requirement  :   mail at can.post
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I did some tests and it seems to work. Apparently only mail at can.post
> could post messages to the list.
> Is this the correct way? Anything else I am missing?

Hey Omar,

I have some announce lists under mailman, you want the following:

Restrict posting privilege to list
 members? : No

Then put the announce maintainer's email in 'Addresses of members accepted
for posting to this list without
implicit approval requirement'

Read the link for the posters option ('Addresses of members accepted for
posting to this list without implicit approval requirement').


The way you have it setup now the list members will be able to post to the
list. If it is not allowing list members to post, some other option is
restricting that.

HTH,

Bill Carlson
------------
Systems Programmer    bill-carlson at uiowa.edu	|  Opinions are mine,
Virtual Hospital      http://www.vh.org/        |  not my employer's.
University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics	|





From brian at gweep.bc.ca  Fri Apr 28 18:28:27 2000
From: brian at gweep.bc.ca (Brian Edmonds)
Date: 28 Apr 2000 09:28:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce list
In-Reply-To: Omar Armas Aleman's message of "Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:31:56 -0500 (CDT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004271426100.8911-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>
Message-ID: <37aeiembpw.fsf@lios.gweep.bc.ca>

More interestingly, some of my current Majordomo lists have -announce
counterparts that work by sending mail to announce subscribers, regular
list subscribers, and directly to digest subscribers (ie. announce posts
are not digested).  I'd like to be able to convert these lists to
Mailman eventually, but there doesn't seem to be any support for this
sort of feature.

Brian.



From paulj at itg.ie  Fri Apr 28 19:44:57 2000
From: paulj at itg.ie (Paul Jakma)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:44:57 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0: private web archive not created
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004281834090.991-100000@rossi.itg.ie>

I've setup mailman 2.0b2, and everything seems to be working perfectly. I
read the docs and followed the instructions. bin/check_perms is happy. All
the web pages are viewable. 

I setup a "test" list, and that worked great. Archiving worked fine - it
was public.

Then i setup a "sysadmin" list. And again, everything works fine, bar one
detail. I've set this list to be private and the web archiving doesn't
seem to work.

The actual list works fine, the configuration page works fine, users can
subscribe/unsubscribe, change passwords, mail goes through fine. I can see
the mail is even archived in
$prefix/archives/private/sysadmin.mbox/sysadmin.mbox.

However it is not being archived to the web, ie to the
$prefix/archives/private/sysadmin/ directory. The "show archive" page just
says:

"Currently there are no archives"

(it correctly asks for subscription address + password first, of course)

so my question is: what do i have to do to get private lists to archive to
web?

thanks,

Paul Jakma
Sys Admin
ITG Card Services




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Apr 28 21:21:03 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:21:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman2b2 errors with archiving
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0004281556400.2677-100000@vic20.blipp.com>
Message-ID: <3909E49F.5897C3AF@west.sun.com>

Known bug in 2.0beta.  Fixed in the CVS tree.  2.0beta3 should be out any
day now.

Patrik Wallstrom wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have just set up Mailman for the first time. I have only one problem so
> far, archiving does not work for me and my list.
> 
> The error log reports for each mail to the list:
> 
> post(27372):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py",
> line 204, in ArchiveMail
> post(27372):     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
> post(27372):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py",
> line 160, in __archive_to_mbox
> post(27372):     post.SetHeader('Date', time.ctime(time.time()))
> post(27372): AttributeError: SetHeader
> 
> What can I do to fix this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Patrik
> 
> --
>  patrik wallstrom     |      f o o d f i g h t
>  tel: +46-8-6188428   |      s t o c k h o l m
>  gsm: +46-708405080   |      - - - - - - - - -
>  fax: +46-859827151   |
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From claw at cp.net  Fri Apr 28 21:41:02 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:41:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Scott R. Every" <scott@emji.net> 
   of "Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:16:55 EDT." <175960.3165866215@sdhcp4.emji.net> 
References: <175960.3165866215@sdhcp4.emji.net> 
Message-ID: <E12lGdo-0006SD-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:16:55 -0400 
Scott R Every <scott at emji.net> wrote:

> the web approval page keeps timing out.  is anyone running large
> moderated lists wth 2.0b2?  should i switch to 1.1?

What MTA are you using?  Quite simply, I would not recommend
anything but QMail or Postfix.  

In ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py or ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py set
both MAX_SPAWNS and SMTP_MAX_RCPTS high, the latter as high as yuor
MTA will take.

Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should be runnign
thru inetd for minimal startup time)

Is your MTA configured to do host lookups or other address
verification (other than being sytacically correct) on all
connections/addresses?  If so, configure it NOT do lookups on
localhost and all local IPs, and to cease checking addresses for
other than syntactic correctness.

If you telnet to localhost on the SMTP port, how long does it take
before the MTA's welcome message appears?  If more than a fraction
of a second, check for other DNS settings, and anything like TCP
Wrappers or other security filters.  

If your MTA is logging thru syslogd, make sure that the entries in
/etc/syslog.conf for the MTA are set to not sync on each write (a
'-' before the path).

Check any MTA settings related to system load, # of messages
receieved in a single connection, # of recipients per message etc,
and set appropriately.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From scott at emji.net  Fri Apr 28 21:46:01 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:46:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions 
In-Reply-To: <E12lGdo-0006SD-00@under.eng.cp.net>
Message-ID: <1768515.3165925561@sdhcp5.emji.net>

Well, I'm using sendmail 8.9.3.  I have many lists running through it with 
mj 1.94.4 with no problems other than its slow.  The problem I am having 
here is that the approval page times out and the mail is never being sent. 
is the cgi script sending the actual mail or just approving so another 
program can send it?

its just seems weird that the cgi would send the mail itself.

i am going to get postfix running this weekend to see if it helps.  let me 
know if you have other suggestions.

thanx

s

--On Friday, April 28, 2000 12:41 PM -0700 J C Lawrence <claw at cp.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:16:55 -0400
> Scott R Every <scott at emji.net> wrote:
>
>> the web approval page keeps timing out.  is anyone running large
>> moderated lists wth 2.0b2?  should i switch to 1.1?
>
> What MTA are you using?  Quite simply, I would not recommend
> anything but QMail or Postfix.
>
> In ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py or ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py set
> both MAX_SPAWNS and SMTP_MAX_RCPTS high, the latter as high as yuor
> MTA will take.
>
> Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should be runnign
> thru inetd for minimal startup time)
>
> Is your MTA configured to do host lookups or other address
> verification (other than being sytacically correct) on all
> connections/addresses?  If so, configure it NOT do lookups on
> localhost and all local IPs, and to cease checking addresses for
> other than syntactic correctness.
>
> If you telnet to localhost on the SMTP port, how long does it take
> before the MTA's welcome message appears?  If more than a fraction
> of a second, check for other DNS settings, and anything like TCP
> Wrappers or other security filters.
>
> If your MTA is logging thru syslogd, make sure that the entries in
> /etc/syslog.conf for the MTA are set to not sync on each write (a
> '-' before the path).
>
> Check any MTA settings related to system load, # of messages
> receieved in a single connection, # of recipients per message etc,
> and set appropriately.
>
> --
> J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
> ----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
> ...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



--
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EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Fri Apr 28 21:47:27 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:47:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions
In-Reply-To: <E12lGdo-0006SD-00@under.eng.cp.net>
References: <175960.3165866215@sdhcp4.emji.net> <scott@emji.net> <E12lGdo-0006SD-00@under.eng.cp.net>
Message-ID: <20000428154727.A4986@xcski.com>

Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at cp.net):
> Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should be runnign
> thru inetd for minimal startup time)

Almost certainly *not*.  If you run it through inet, it has to start up
and parse its configuration files every single time it recieves an email.
If runing as a daemon, it's got the config files parsed already before the
mail even hits it.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"The Americans have said ``Ni'' and they want their shubbery"
    - Harry Teasley predicts a Bush victory, 8Mar2000



From claw at cp.net  Fri Apr 28 21:51:16 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:51:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Scott R. Every" <scott@emji.net> 
   of "Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:46:01 EDT." <1768515.3165925561@sdhcp5.emji.net> 
References: <1768515.3165925561@sdhcp5.emji.net> 
Message-ID: <E12lGni-0006Wj-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:46:01 -0400 
Scott R Every <scott at emji.net> wrote:

> Well, I'm using sendmail 8.9.3.  I have many lists running through
> it with mj 1.94.4 with no problems other than its slow.  The
> problem I am having here is that the approval page times out and
> the mail is never being sent.  is the cgi script sending the
> actual mail or just approving so another program can send it?

As of the 1.0 series the CGI actually posts the message and waits
until the MTA has accepted all the broadcast.  This, given the fact
that you are using sendmail and "it is slow", is the base of the
problem and the basic item beneath all my other questions.

I understand the behaviour is a different (more or less
asynchronous) as of the 2.0 series, but I haven't checked.

> its just seems weird that the cgi would send the mail itself.

Agreed.

> i am going to get postfix running this weekend to see if it helps.
> let me know if you have other suggestions.

<nod>


> --On Friday, April 28, 2000 12:41 PM -0700 J C Lawrence
> <claw at cp.net> wrote:

>> Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should be
>> runnign thru inetd for minimal startup time)

There's a missing NOT there.  It should read:

  Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should NOT be
  running thru inetd for minimal startup time)

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From claw at cp.net  Fri Apr 28 21:52:49 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:52:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Tomblin <ptomblin@xcski.com> 
   of "Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:47:27 EDT." <20000428154727.A4986@xcski.com> 
References: <175960.3165866215@sdhcp4.emji.net> <scott@emji.net> <E12lGdo-0006SD-00@under.eng.cp.net>  <20000428154727.A4986@xcski.com> 
Message-ID: <E12lGpD-0006XR-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:47:27 -0400 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com> wrote:

> Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at cp.net):
>> Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should be
>> runnign thru inetd for minimal startup time)

> Almost certainly *not*.  If you run it through inet, it has to
> start up and parse its configuration files every single time it
> recieves an email.  If runing as a daemon, it's got the config
> files parsed already before the mail even hits it.

Yup, absolutely.  Somehow that sentence got mangled between brain
and fingers/keyboard when I typed it.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From scott at emji.net  Fri Apr 28 21:55:36 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:55:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions
In-Reply-To: <20000428154727.A4986@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <1803081.3165926136@sdhcp5.emji.net>

sorry, forgot to answer this...sendmail is runnign standalone.  i get too 
much mail traffic to use inetd.

s

--On Friday, April 28, 2000 3:47 PM -0400 Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com> 
wrote:

> Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at cp.net):
>> Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should be runnign
>> thru inetd for minimal startup time)
>
> Almost certainly *not*.  If you run it through inet, it has to start up
> and parse its configuration files every single time it recieves an email.
> If runing as a daemon, it's got the config files parsed already before the
> mail even hits it.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
> "The Americans have said ``Ni'' and they want their shubbery"
>     - Harry Teasley predicts a Bush victory, 8Mar2000
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



--
Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From awagner at uswest.net  Sat Apr 29 06:18:15 2000
From: awagner at uswest.net (Art Wagner)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:18:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message Hangups Due to Faulty "Sender" Netscape 4.6
Message-ID: <390A6287.86CD3392@uswest.net>

In the README.NETSCAPE file included with
Mailman-1.1 through
2.0beta 2, you point out a problem with Netscape
4.6 and provide
a fix which we have found does resolve the
problem. However we have
found that the same problem exists with Netscape
4.7 and 4.72.
The same fix specified in the README works with
both. It would be
helpful to modify the README.NETSCAPE file to cite
all three revisions
of Netscape.
Thanks
Art Wagner
Phoenix Linux Users Group. PLUG



From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Sun Apr 30 11:32:59 2000
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:32:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <390BFDCB.39B01A22@univie.ac.at>

i cannot send mail to my lists any more.
the web interface still works,
and the listsa are visible,
but mail bounces

this is the error message.
what can i do?

you can visit the interface at
http://sunsite.univie.ac.at/mailman/listinfo

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/servers/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
IndexError: list index out of range
554 "|/servers/mailman/mail/wrapper post... unknown mailer error 1



From erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at  Sun Apr 30 11:56:46 2000
From: erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:56:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list not working, more detaled description
Message-ID: <390C035E.59DD3A02@univie.ac.at>

i was panicky,
therefore my last message was inexact.

it turns out that one of my lists is not working any more.
the web interface still works,
and the list is visible,
but mail bounces

other lists on the server ARE working,
so this is a problem of just this list.

this is the error message.


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/servers/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
IndexError: list index out of range
554 "|/servers/mailman/mail/wrapper post... unknown mailer error 1


i did a checkdb for the list,
and it did not find any errors.
how can i revive the list?

erich


you can visit the interface at
http://sunsite.univie.ac.at/mailman/listinfo



From paul at source.dyns.cx  Sun Apr 30 17:22:32 2000
From: paul at source.dyns.cx (Paul van Tilburg)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:22:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Languages
Message-ID: <20000430172231.A27339@source>

Hi!

I was translating the customizable HTML pages for the webinterface of
mailman into Dutch! And it looks very nice now, accept for some
messages that come in place for certain tags (e.g. <MM-Restricted-List-Message>)
they are still English. What would be the nicest and cleanest way to
get those also translated to Dutch?

TIA,

Paul

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Student @ University of Technology    | ICQ: 8678828
Eindhoven, The Netherlands            | email: paul at donald-duck.ele.tue.nl
>Using the Power of Debian/GNU Linux< | GPG: finger paul at donald-duck.ele.tue.nl



From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Sun Apr 30 18:24:36 2000
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:24:36 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Languages
In-Reply-To: <20000430172231.A27339@source>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10004301821470.15810-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Paul van Tilburg wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> messages that come in place for certain tags 
> (e.g. <MM-Restricted-List-Message>)
> they are still English. What would be the nicest and cleanest way to
> get those also translated to Dutch?
Join the mailman-i18n list :) Then ask for the templates, start work,
test and, while you are at it, ask for the GNU asignement forms, sign
them, and snail them to Barry :) ;)
> 
> TIA,
You are welcome.
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Student @ University of Technology    | ICQ: 8678828
> Eindhoven, The Netherlands            | email: paul at donald-duck.ele.tue.nl
> >Using the Power of Debian/GNU Linux< | GPG: finger paul at donald-duck.ele.tue.nl
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From mediadyne at hol.gr  Sun Apr 30 22:44:17 2000
From: mediadyne at hol.gr (Alexander)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:44:17 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman
Message-ID: <p04310105b5324b0b9c9b@[195.97.3.170]>

Hello.

I am about to make a decision on which way to go for a dedicated 
server, Cobalt, or a normal Intel PC dedicate server.

I have a preference for the Cobalt servers.

Has anyone installed Python, and Mailman on such a system?

Is there an online resource with a description on how to do that?

Do the Cobalt servers work with Mailman?

Thank you