From kathryn.hill at socialecology.com Sat Jul 1 00:08:35 2000 From: kathryn.hill at socialecology.com (Kathryn Hill) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:08:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates Message-ID: Has anyone had success re-writing the template e-mails so they are generic enough for an announce only list as well as a regular member-posting lists? I was wondering if there is a list of variables and an identification of their source, that can be used in the e-mail template: %(listname)s, %(welcome)s,%(real_name)s. For example, it would be nice to switch the %(listname) with the "terse phrase identifying this list" but I can only find references to that variable in the listinfo web page (MM-List-Description) and can't seem translate it to a variable that the e-mail templates understand. Thanks for any help. From ricardo at rixhq.nu Sat Jul 1 02:18:50 2000 From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 02:18:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 / my posts / archive Message-ID: <20000701021850.C622@miss-janet.com> first considering my current problem with the approval page: i'm so desperate that i decided to completely reinstall mailman and all the subscribers... everybody will get a new password this way :( Hopefully this fixes the problem... but my server is still sending out the new welcome messages now so i'm waiting for that to finnish... I'm still keeping an copy of the original setup to see if i can find out what is (hopefully *was*) going wrong.... secondly, I notice that sometimes my posts to mailman-developers don't seem to arrive on this list (even though mailman-users always seem to go through)... but i noticed that my post with the subject "approval & b3" didn't arrive in my own mailbox but i *did* find it in the June 2000 archive on python.org... did anybody see my post on this list? (http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2000-June/002541.html) Ricardo. -- From dereks at kd-dev.com Sat Jul 1 03:33:03 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist patch Message-ID: Hello, Attached is a patch for the "newlist" utility script. It causes all informational messages to go to stderr, and the generated "aliases" to go to stdout. Other than that, newlist works exactly the same (no new command-line options or anything). That means you can do this: bin/newlist >> /etc/aliases [...or...] bin/newlist > /tmp/listname.aliases [...or...] bin/newlist listname owner at domain.com passwd > somefile.txt ...and the automatically-generated aliases will be in the file you redirect stdout to. Here is a sample run: [mailman at platinum bin]$ ./newlist > aliases-only.txt Enter the name of the list: ft5 Enter the email of the person running the list: dereks at kd-dev.com Initial ft5 password: Entry for aliases file... Hit enter to continue with ft5 owner notification... [mailman at platinum bin]$ cat aliases-only.txt ## ft5 mailing list ## created: 30-Jun-2000 mailman ft5: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post ft5" ft5-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner ft5" ft5-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ft5" ft5-owner: ft5-admin [mailman at platinum bin]$ I made this patch because I'm not always in X-windows, meaning I don't always have a mouse to cut'n'paste the generated aliases into my /etc/aliases file. And I'm too lazy to edit out the informational prompts by hand with vi. Also, this patch should make it easier for automated/CGI scripts that create new lists. They won't need to worry about specifically parsing the aliases from the rest of the (informational) output. If no-one objects, it would be groovy if this could make it into 2.0beta4 (since it's such a simple script). Thanks, Derek Simkowiak dereks at kd-dev.com -------------- next part -------------- 49,50d48 < Entry for aliases file: < 79a78,93 > def raw_input(prompt=''): > > # A raw_input() replacement that doesn't save the string in the > # GNU readline history, and prints the prompt to stderr > import sys > prompt = str(prompt) > if prompt: > sys.stderr.write(prompt) > line = sys.stdin.readline() > if not line: > raise EOFError > if line[-1] == '\n': > line = line[:-1] > return line > > 100a115,117 > # A simple hack to have getpass() print to stderr, not stdout > temp = sys.stdout > sys.stdout = sys.stderr 101a119 > sys.stdout = temp 117a136 > sys.stderr.write ("\nEntry for aliases file...\n"); 131c150 < print ("Hit enter to continue with %s owner notification..." --- > sys.stderr.write ("Hit enter to continue with %s owner notification...\n" From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id Sat Jul 1 09:50:10 2000 From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (Iqbal Santyaswardan) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:50:10 +0700 (JAVT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] case of restricted hardlinks Message-ID: I thought it would never happen to me, but it did. Now I seek kind-hearted souls who would tell me just how I could turn off restricted hardlinks when using secure linux (Mandrake 7.0). I know this is probably appropriate to a linux mailing list, but after I asked someone who answered vaguely to look in the scripts, I decided to see if someone here with Experience could point the right way much quicker. (The only security options I saw under draksec were low, medium, high) iqbal s. From matthewf at orac.frost.net Sat Jul 1 11:21:59 2000 From: matthewf at orac.frost.net (Matthew Frost) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:21:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? Message-ID: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> I've come across some wierdness with beta3 and the monthly password reminders. It seems the SMTP envelopes and some of the headers don't relate to the list or lists that subscribers are being reminded about... e.g. at home, I have a list called "sandpit" which this month's password reminders have _all_ got as their SMTP envelopes, even people who aren't on that list got the List-Id: set as that list's details... Should this be the case? Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ email: matthew at frost.org "F Invalid file name, 10:1" From matthewf at orac.frost.net Sat Jul 1 16:32:43 2000 From: matthewf at orac.frost.net (Matthew Frost) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:32:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? In-Reply-To: ; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 07:24:22AM -0700 References: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: <20000701153243.G29811@orac.frost.net> On Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 07:24:22AM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > This has been mulled over, with no good answer. There is no "right" > answer, either in terms of standards or common usage. The password > reminder isn't a list message, but instead a server message, so I > think using a List-ID for a list is questionable (my suggestion is a > List-ID identifying the server...), but other than that, I think the > headers are correct, and the List-ID stuff is open to all sorts of > interpretations. Hmmmm, I've just had another mailman reminder turn up from a list server who appear to have converted in the last month... The "From:" line was correct, containing "mailman-owner@" The SMTP envelope contained "mm-test-admin@" Surely this should be "mailman-owner" too? Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ email: matthew at frost.org "N Statement lost, 10:1" From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sat Jul 1 16:24:22 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:24:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? In-Reply-To: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> References: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: At 10:21 AM +0100 7/1/00, Matthew Frost wrote: >e.g. at home, I have a list called "sandpit" which this month's >password reminders have _all_ got as their SMTP envelopes, even people >who aren't on that list got the List-Id: set as that list's details... > >Should this be the case? This has been mulled over, with no good answer. There is no "right" answer, either in terms of standards or common usage. The password reminder isn't a list message, but instead a server message, so I think using a List-ID for a list is questionable (my suggestion is a List-ID identifying the server...), but other than that, I think the headers are correct, and the List-ID stuff is open to all sorts of interpretations. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From paul at ireland.seds.org Sat Jul 1 16:52:56 2000 From: paul at ireland.seds.org (Paul Reilly) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:52:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ./newlist dies with MMUnknownListError In-Reply-To: <200007011554.e61FsWl06726@sedserv.third-rock.net> Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to mailman. I've just installed it okay, but when I try to add a new list with $prefix/bin/newlist the program dies with... Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError ...see below. I'm using RH 6.2 (2.2.16) with Python 1.5.2. Any ideas? Thanks Paul ------------------------------------------------ Server -> ./newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: paul at ireland.seds.org Initial test password: Traceback (innermost last): File "./newlist", line 155, in ? main(sys.argv) File "./newlist", line 112, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/users/mailman/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785,in Create self.Lock() File "/home/users/mailman/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345,in Lock self.Load() File "/home/users/mailman/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894,in Load raise Errors.MMUnknownListError Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError From pjh at mccc.edu Sat Jul 1 18:09:18 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Undelivereds Message-ID: Are the "undelivered" messages sent only to the mailman admin or to both him and the list admins? Thanks and happy 4th, Pete From morsili at cybrel.com Sat Jul 1 04:23:26 2000 From: morsili at cybrel.com (Mariano Alejandro Orsili) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Very Extremely High Membership list Message-ID: <005801bfe303$60d23860$fa01a8c0@alektro> Hi I have problems with mailing list, i have one mailing list of 130.000 subscribers, if any can help pleace send me email. Thanks Inge From ingenius at iname.com Sat Jul 1 04:24:02 2000 From: ingenius at iname.com (Ingenius N.N.) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:24:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Very Extremely High Membership list Message-ID: <006701bfe303$6fd54c80$fa01a8c0@alektro> Hi I have problems with mailing list, i have one mailing list of 130.000 subscribers, if any can help pleace send me email. Thanks Inge From mjs at blitz-technology.net Sun Jul 2 03:49:51 2000 From: mjs at blitz-technology.net (Mitchell) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:49:51 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo page Message-ID: <20000702114951.B5248@blitz-technology.net> I was wundering weather there is a way to edit the html of the listinfo page ie http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo the page dispalyed with all the lists active in that virtual domain. I have looked through all the files in /var/lia/mailman/templates/ but none of them appear to be a template for that particular page. Is this page hard coded in the mailman source? Any hints as how to change this page would be greatly appreciated. thanks >From Mitchell From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sun Jul 2 05:42:29 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:42:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo page In-Reply-To: <20000702114951.B5248@blitz-technology.net> References: <20000702114951.B5248@blitz-technology.net> Message-ID: At 11:49 AM +1000 7/2/00, Mitchell wrote: >I was wundering weather there is a way to edit the html of the >listinfo page ie > >http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo > Yes. Check the archives. I posted an alternative version of the list info page a couple of weeks back to the -dev list, and you can see how I did it from there. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From davidu at phreedom.net Mon Jul 3 03:32:18 2000 From: davidu at phreedom.net (davidu) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird error on /bin/newlist Message-ID: I used to have a working MailMan install. Now that I have installed the new version 2, beta 3 copy, I feel like a newbie. What could explain this error? (note, this is a new machine, new lists etc...I was just commenting that I used to run Mailman --with ease) Here is the interesting error: -----------------BEGIN [davidu at server1 mailman]$ su mailman Password: [mailman at server1 mailman]$ ./bin/check_perms No problems found [mailman at server1 mailman]$ ./bin/newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: davidu at phreedom.net Initial divxchange password: Traceback (innermost last): File "./bin/newlist", line 155, in ? main(sys.argv) File "./bin/newlist", line 112, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785, in Create self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894, in Load raise Errors.MMUnknownListError Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError [mailman at server1 mailman]$ exit -----------------END Any ideas? thanks, davidu From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon Jul 3 03:48:29 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:48:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird error on /bin/newlist Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: davidu [mailto:davidu at phreedom.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 6:32 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird error on /bin/newlist > > I used to have a working MailMan install. Now that I have > installed the > new version 2, beta 3 copy, I feel like a newbie. What could > explain this > error? (note, this is a new machine, new lists etc...I was > just commenting > that I used to run Mailman --with ease) Read the archives, patches have been posted From blurr at txraves.org Mon Jul 3 04:22:12 2000 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:22:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? v1.1 too? References: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: <00d301bfe495$9ad566c0$d7365d18@groovebox> i think the same thing is happening on my setup too. i'm running ver 1.1 though. every month a handfull of password reminders bounce back to mailman-owner at txraves.org because the user is over their quota or their account no longer exists, etc. every single bounced email has this in its header: List-Id: Goa/Psychedelic trance in the southern US i looked at the memberships for that list and so far none of the ppl are subscribed to it. theres 12 lists on the box now and i'm guessing i would have to check out each list to find which ones these bouncing addys are sub'd too. is there a quick way to find out which lists an address is sub'd to? also, this might have been covered already and i apologize if it has but, why do the reminders have a List-Id: in the header if the reminder is for all the lists on that server? thanks, and btw, mailman ROCKS! :) ] jordan ] blurr at txraves.org ] http://www.txraves.org/ "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Frost" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 4:21 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? > I've come across some wierdness with beta3 and the monthly password > reminders. > > It seems the SMTP envelopes and some of the headers don't relate to > the list or lists that subscribers are being reminded about... > > e.g. at home, I have a list called "sandpit" which this month's > password reminders have _all_ got as their SMTP envelopes, even people > who aren't on that list got the List-Id: set as that list's details... > > Should this be the case? > > Regards, Matthew > > -- > Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ > email: matthew at frost.org > "F Invalid file name, 10:1" > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From kevin at purplepigproductions.com.au Mon Jul 3 09:00:48 2000 From: kevin at purplepigproductions.com.au (Kevin Thompson) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:00:48 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments and Archiving Message-ID: Hi When sifting through the archives, attachments are encoded in the body of the posts. I feel that most users will not be able to extract the attachments. Are there any mods or solutions for easier subscriber use. Kevin Thompson From alex at phred.org Mon Jul 3 16:58:40 2000 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:58:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving list between servers Message-ID: <125f01bfe4ff$2d2e84c0$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> I've already done this, but just wanted to know if there was a better way... I recently took over hosting a list from another mailman host. Is there a simple way to get all of the data (members, setting, etc) from the original host and transfer it over to the new one? What I ended up doing was quite a bit more painful. I got the results of the 'who' command to -request and split that into two files, digested members and non-digested members. I then added these to the new list using add_members. The painful part was that I had to iterate through the old list to find hidden members and copy them as well. One thing that would be really handy is a version of list_members which dumps all members and their attributes, and a corresponding version of add_members which could suck in the same data. alex From alex at phred.org Mon Jul 3 17:01:27 2000 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:01:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cookies and IE 5.0 Message-ID: <126501bfe4ff$90d784e0$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> In the past week my Mailman administrative pages have been having a lot of trouble with my IE browser. If I go to http://host/mailman/admindb/list to allow/reject messages then it keeps asking me to login again anytime I select changes. I have the same problem when browsing through the membership lists. If I login using Netscape then there are no problems. This is a recent issue -- I've been running Mailman for almost a year, but this last week is the first time that this has occured for me. Any suggestions on how to fix it? Mailman-1.1 thanks, alex From m.keller at orcasoft.ch Mon Jul 3 17:47:32 2000 From: m.keller at orcasoft.ch (Markus Keller OrcaSoft) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:47:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cookies and IE 5.0 Message-ID: <006e01bfe506$150e81e0$6e08e6c2@markus> Hi Alex >In the past week my Mailman administrative pages have been having a lot >of trouble with my IE browser. If I go to >http://host/mailman/admindb/list to allow/reject messages then it keeps >asking me to login again anytime I select changes. I have the same >problem when browsing through the membership lists. There are two kinds of cookie settings in IE5. First cookies for a session that are not stored on your harddisk an the second setting depends on cookies that are stored on your harddisk. You have to accept cookies that are stored on your harddisk for using mailman. If you only accept cookies for a session, mailman will not work. Greetings Markus From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jul 3 18:16:27 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:16:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments and Archiving In-Reply-To: Message from "Kevin Thompson" of "Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:00:48 +0800." References: Message-ID: <30956.962640987@kanga.nu> On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:00:48 +0800 Kevin Thompson wrote: > Hi When sifting through the archives, attachments are encoded in > the body of the posts. I feel that most users will not be able to > extract the attachments. > Are there any mods or solutions for easier subscriber use. Use an external archiver that understands MIME ala MHonArc. -- "Show me the way to go home" Home: claw at kanga.nu J C Lawrence Other: coder at kanga.nu ----------(*) Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From jgray at lcdfnm.org Mon Jul 3 19:10:30 2000 From: jgray at lcdfnm.org (Joseph Gray) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:10:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] July list archives? Message-ID: <002501bfe511$976ed0d0$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> What happened to the July archives? This is the 2nd of July and I have been receiving list messages to my email account - shouldn't they be archived already? From jgray at lcdfnm.org Mon Jul 3 19:16:07 2000 From: jgray at lcdfnm.org (Joseph Gray) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:16:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc question Message-ID: <002801bfe512$5fea35e0$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> I finally have MHonArc running as the external archiver. However, there is one feature of the Mailman internal archiver that I can't seem to duplicate with MHonArc. How do I make MHonArc generate the _monthly_ archives? The best I seem to be able to do is to have MHonArc break up the entire archive into pages of a certain size. This works, but isn't as good as breaking up into months. Any suggestions? BTW, If anyone likes, I can post my MHonArc configuration to the list. I found previous postings about MHonArc, but still had trouble getting things to work at first. From marouni at earlham.edu Mon Jul 3 19:52:31 2000 From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nick Marouf) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:52:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc question References: <002801bfe512$5fea35e0$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> Message-ID: <3960D2DF.74A2A09A@earlham.edu> Hi Joseph, I would really appreciate if you could post how you changed mailman archiver to MHonArc. Thanks Nick Joseph Gray wrote: > I finally have MHonArc running as the external archiver. However, there is one feature of the Mailman internal archiver that I can't > seem to duplicate with MHonArc. How do I make MHonArc generate the _monthly_ archives? The best I seem to be able to do is to have > MHonArc break up the entire archive into pages of a certain size. This works, but isn't as good as breaking up into months. > > Any suggestions? > > BTW, If anyone likes, I can post my MHonArc configuration to the list. I found previous postings about MHonArc, but still had > trouble getting things to work at first. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jgray at lcdfnm.org Mon Jul 3 20:07:12 2000 From: jgray at lcdfnm.org (Joseph Gray) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:07:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc question In-Reply-To: <3960CDC4.73146844@sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu> Message-ID: <002b01bfe519$83013220$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> Ok, two people have asked so far. Here is how I have MHonArc setup. To start, edit your "mm_cfg.py" file to define the external archiver (yes, both lines are the same command). I got the "mkdir" idea from someone else's posting. It didn't work w/o it: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """ mkdir -p /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s;/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -idxfname index.html -nosaveresources -rcfile /home/mailman/mhonarc.mrc """ PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """ mkdir -p /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s;/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -idxfname index.html -nosaveresources -rcfile /home/mailman/mhonarc.mrc """ You will note from the above that "-rcfile" defines the location of the MHonArc resource file. Here is mine: 022 20 to from date reply-to Mailing List Archive (by Date) Mailing List Archive (Threaded)
  • $SUBJECT$, $YYYYMMDD$, $FROMNAME$
    • text/plain;maxwidth=80 For an explaination of these settings, read the MHonArc documentation on Resources. They are explained fairly well. You just have to figure out which ones you want to change. Note that I could have put the "idxfname" and "nosaveresources" options in the resource file instead of in the command line. Most resources are this way. From paul at nfg.nl Mon Jul 3 20:54:27 2000 From: paul at nfg.nl (Paul Stevens) Date: 03 Jul 2000 20:54:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc question In-Reply-To: "Joseph Gray"'s message of "Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:07:12 -0600" References: <002b01bfe519$83013220$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> Message-ID: "Joseph Gray" writes: > Ok, two people have asked so far. Here is how I have MHonArc setup. > > To start, edit your "mm_cfg.py" file to define the external archiver (yes, both lines are the same command). I got the "mkdir" idea > from someone else's posting. It didn't work w/o it: > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """ > mkdir -p /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s;/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -add > -outdir /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -idxfname index.html > -nosaveresources -rcfile /home/mailman/mhonarc.mrc > """ > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """ > mkdir -p /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s;/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -add > -outdir /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -idxfname index.html > -nosaveresources -rcfile /home/mailman/mhonarc.mrc > """ Somewhat more generic using debian-ized filelocations: from mm_cfg.py: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/etc/mhonarc/filter %(listname)s" PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/etc/mhonarc/filter %(listname)s" ------------- /etc/mhonarc/filter ------------------ #!/bin/sh umask 022 listname=$1 outdir=/var/lib/mhonarc/$listname rcfile=/etc/mhonarc/$listname/rc if [ ! -e "$rcfile" ]; then rcfile=/etc/mhonarc/rc-default fi if [ ! -d "$outdir" ]; then mkdir -p $outdir fi /usr/bin/mhonarc -add -rcfile $rcfile -outdir $outdir chmod -R go+rX $outdir ------------------------------------------------------ Because my clients like to integrate the archive into their website, /etc/mhonarc/rc-default contains some simple sane standard settings. These can easily be overridden per list by setting up the file /etc/mhonarc/$listname/rc -- ________________________________________________________________ Paul Stevens mailto:paul at nfg.nl NET FACILITIES GROUP PGP: finger paul at nfg.nl The Netherlands________________________________http://www.nfg.nl From jgray at lcdfnm.org Mon Jul 3 21:15:06 2000 From: jgray at lcdfnm.org (Joseph Gray) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:15:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003401bfe522$ff849130$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> Yes, this is much cleaner and more generic. I probably should have wrapped things in a script like this, but since it's working, I'm not going to fool with it now (maybe later). So Paul, any ideas on how to do monthy archives with MHonArc? --------------------------------- Paul Stevens [paul at nfg.nl] wrote: > Somewhat more generic using debian-ized filelocations: > > > from mm_cfg.py: > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/etc/mhonarc/filter %(listname)s" > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/etc/mhonarc/filter %(listname)s" > > > ------------- /etc/mhonarc/filter ------------------ > #!/bin/sh > > umask 022 > listname=$1 > outdir=/var/lib/mhonarc/$listname > rcfile=/etc/mhonarc/$listname/rc > > if [ ! -e "$rcfile" ]; then > rcfile=/etc/mhonarc/rc-default > fi > if [ ! -d "$outdir" ]; then > mkdir -p $outdir > fi > > /usr/bin/mhonarc -add -rcfile $rcfile -outdir $outdir > chmod -R go+rX $outdir > ------------------------------------------------------ From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jul 3 21:17:10 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc question In-Reply-To: Message from "Joseph Gray" of "Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:15:06 CST." <003401bfe522$ff849130$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> References: <003401bfe522$ff849130$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> Message-ID: <4831.962651830@kanga.nu> On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:15:06 -0600 Joseph Gray wrote: > Yes, this is much cleaner and more generic. I probably should have > wrapped things in a script like this, but since it's working, I'm > not going to fool with it now (maybe later). > So Paul, any ideas on how to do monthy archives with MHonArc? The easy way is to select an appropriate directory based on the current month (use `date`) in your wrapper script and thus place the archived messages (and therefore the .mhonarc.db) there. -- "Show me the way to go $HOME" Home: claw at kanga.nu J C Lawrence Other: coder at kanga.nu ----------(*) Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jul 3 21:55:04 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:55:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc question In-Reply-To: Message from J C Lawrence of "Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:17:10 MST." <4831.962651830@kanga.nu> References: <003401bfe522$ff849130$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> <4831.962651830@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <5380.962654104@kanga.nu> On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:17:10 -0700 J C Lawrence wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:15:06 -0600 Joseph Gray > wrote: >> Yes, this is much cleaner and more generic. I probably should >> have wrapped things in a script like this, but since it's >> working, I'm not going to fool with it now (maybe later). >> So Paul, any ideas on how to do monthy archives with MHonArc? > The easy way is to select an appropriate directory based on the > current month (use `date`) in your wrapper script and thus place > the archived messages (and therefore the .mhonarc.db) there. Replying to myself again I see. While I section by quarters instead of months, you can find the scripts I use for this under: ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives/scripts/ -- "Show me the way to go $HOME" Home: claw at kanga.nu J C Lawrence Other: coder at kanga.nu ----------(*) Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From marouni at earlham.edu Mon Jul 3 22:55:13 2000 From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nick Marouf) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:55:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc question References: <002b01bfe519$83013220$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> Message-ID: <3960FDB1.C7334B33@earlham.edu> Hey Joe, Thanks alot for you help, This helped out a lot. However I think I am missing something in one of my config files, Cause when I go to check the archive, I am getting now Index of /pipermail/test Name Last modified Size Description Parent Directory 03-Jul-2000 15:46 - Apache/1.3.12 Server at nobu.earlham.edu Port 80 it is not creating the index.html if I am correct. I also edited Defaults.py and set PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 1 PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 1 any help would be helpful thanks nick Joseph Gray wrote: > Ok, two people have asked so far. Here is how I have MHonArc setup. > > To start, edit your "mm_cfg.py" file to define the external archiver (yes, both lines are the same command). I got the "mkdir" idea > from someone else's posting. It didn't work w/o it: > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """ > mkdir -p /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s;/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -add > -outdir /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -idxfname index.html > -nosaveresources -rcfile /home/mailman/mhonarc.mrc > """ > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """ > mkdir -p /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s;/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -add > -outdir /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s -idxfname index.html > -nosaveresources -rcfile /home/mailman/mhonarc.mrc > """ > > You will note from the above that "-rcfile" defines the location of the MHonArc resource file. Here is mine: > > > > > > > 022 > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > to > from > date > reply-to > > > > > Mailing List Archive (by Date) > > > > > Mailing List Archive (Threaded) > > > > >
  • $SUBJECT$, > $YYYYMMDD$, $FROMNAME$ >
    • >     > > > > text/plain;maxwidth=80 > > > For an explaination of these settings, read the MHonArc documentation on Resources. They are explained fairly well. You just have to > figure out which ones you want to change. Note that I could have put the "idxfname" and "nosaveresources" options in the resource > file instead of in the command line. Most resources are this way. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000703/95dd4e24/attachment.html From ccn at panix.com Mon Jul 3 23:30:40 2000 From: ccn at panix.com (Chris Nestrud) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:30:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with 'newlist' command, python errors Message-ID: Hello list. I have recently installed Mailman-2.0beta3, and am trying to create my first list to verify the installation. I'm getting errors (shown below this explanation). The box is running slackware linux, using qmail as the MTA, and Python-1.5.2. Any suggestions would be much-appreciated. The documentation and FAQ didn't seem to cover anything like this. Chris A transcript of errors follows. > bin/newlist Enter the name of the list: testlist Enter the email of the person running the list: ccn at panix.com Initial testlist password: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/newlist", line 155, in ? main(sys.argv) File "bin/newlist", line 112, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/staff/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785, in Create self.Lock() File "/home/staff/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock self.Load() File "/home/staff/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894, in Load raise Errors.MMUnknownListError Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Jul 4 00:11:56 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:11:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with 'newlist' command, python errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:30 PM -0500 7/3/00, Chris Nestrud wrote: >Hello list. I have recently installed Mailman-2.0beta3, and am trying to >create my first list to verify the installation. Known bug. There are patches in the archives for this list, or the soon to be released B4. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From claw at kanga.nu Tue Jul 4 04:10:38 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WebArchives with replies from the archives under MHonArc Message-ID: <31696.962676638@kanga.nu> A while back I referred to a project I was working on of getting MHonArc and PHP4/PHPLib to produce web archives for mailing lists that support replying to the archived messages with proper quoting, In-Reply-To/References headers and all the rest, right there from the web page. v1.0 is now up and can be seen at the pages under: http://www.kanga.nu/archives/ Note that some list archives support replying, and some don't (simple per-list configuration). eg: http://www.kanga.nu/archives/IRead-L/2000Q2/msg00001.php (replyable) http://www.kanga.nu/archives/ICGnu-L/1998Q3/msg00783.php (no reply) Software requirements: PHP4 (not PHP3, it needs the << Problem installing. Tried FAQ, and scanned titles of this list. Error occurs on step 6 of install - atttempt to create a test list. Error report ========= Traceback (innermost last): File "./bin/newlist", line 155, in ? main(sys.argv) File "./bin/newlist", line 112, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785, in Create self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894, in Load raise Errors.MMUnknownListError Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError Tried so far ======== Tried the command as root and mailman: /home/mailman/bin/newlist test Config ===== RH6.2 on x86, Sendmail, with smrsh and the necessry link. Additional info: ========== The password command does not seem to accept the '|' symbol as a valid character. Why is this? Thanks and regards Dirk From jwt at onjapan.net Tue Jul 4 15:43:20 2000 From: jwt at onjapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:43:20 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install error - v2-beta (in /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py) In-Reply-To: <016701bfe5bc$fb391de0$0100a8c0@tristar.co.za>; from dirk@tristar.co.za on Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 03:37:21PM +0200 References: <016701bfe5bc$fb391de0$0100a8c0@tristar.co.za> Message-ID: <20000704224320.A21268@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 03:37:21PM +0200, D Swart wrote: > Problem installing. Tried FAQ, and scanned titles of this list. > Error occurs on step 6 of install - atttempt to create a test list. > > Error report > ========= [...] > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894, in Load > raise Errors.MMUnknownListError > Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError This is a known problem with v2.0 beta 3. Barry Warsaw posted a patch that fixes the problem: http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2000-June/002545.html -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From matthewf at orac.frost.net Tue Jul 4 19:10:11 2000 From: matthewf at orac.frost.net (Matthew Frost) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:10:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message duplication in beta3 Message-ID: <20000704181011.G24648@orac.frost.net> I've just experienced the following: I have a list of 4 members. 1 of the member's email addresses gave a 451 response when Mailman connected to the local SMTP server (for various reasons). Every qrun was then sending mail to _all_ the list members (resulting in duplicate messages), until I fixed the 451 error at which point it stopped. I did note that there were 2 sets of .msg and .db files in the q directory at this time. Any ideas? or is this a bug? I _did_ have another issue at this point where mailman would not create the files in database/ so it _could_ have been that triggering the repetition (I've not worked out what was causing that one yet). Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ email: matthew at frost.org "9 STOP statement, 0:1" From paulo2 at bewnet.com.br Wed Jul 5 00:47:11 2000 From: paulo2 at bewnet.com.br (Paulo Schreiner) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:47:11 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translations Message-ID: <3962696F.30EDBB08@bewnet.com.br> Im in need of a portuguese translation of Mailman, where do I get it? If it doesn't exist yet, what are the guidelines to do it, so it can be included in future releases? Yours, Paulo Schreiner From ernst at eucanect.com Wed Jul 5 00:49:48 2000 From: ernst at eucanect.com (AE) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:49:48 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo Error? In-Reply-To: <20000704021202.3E6931CFEF@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000704194615.03a42008@pop3.hfx.w3internet.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just started seeing this error pop up on the first page (e.g. /mailman/listinfo) which should display the list of links to the mailing lists hosted on our server. Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 95, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 43, in main FormatListinfoOverview() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in FormatListinfoOverview mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 77, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 926, in Load self.CheckValues() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 945, in CheckValues if '' in urlparse(self.web_page_url)[:2]: AttributeError: web_page_url I've tried a couple things (e.g. re-installing 2.0b3), but so far I haven't found anything that works. Any suggestions? Here's a big thank you in advance to anyone who knows how to fix this problem! -- Andrew -- Andrew -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.2 iQA/AwUBOWJqDELabCkvf1OfEQJv8gCeNn01TbF+5AkuBHXkBr9rGNJQ1PQAoP9K 5wC+qAT5A7s3rSsqLob44i4R =6y9E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From godoy at conectiva.com Wed Jul 5 05:30:27 2000 From: godoy at conectiva.com (Jorge Godoy) Date: 05 Jul 2000 00:30:27 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translations In-Reply-To: Paulo Schreiner's message of "Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:47:11 -0300" References: <3962696F.30EDBB08@bewnet.com.br> Message-ID: Paulo Schreiner writes: > Im in need of a portuguese translation of Mailman, where do I get it? If > it doesn't exist yet, what are the guidelines to do it, so it can be > included in future releases? > > Yours, > Paulo Schreiner I think there is none. I'm a volunteer to work on it with you. I have some experience on doing this. ;-) See you, -- Godoy. Departamento de Publica??es Publishing Department Conectiva S.A. From thomas at madeforchina.com Wed Jul 5 14:11:36 2000 From: thomas at madeforchina.com (Thomas Duterme) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:11:36 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] read only list - large newsletter mailing Message-ID: <20000705041936.A14C71CD0D@dinsdale.python.org> Hi Mailmen and Mailwomen, I'm thinking of using mailman as my newsletter manager. I have a very large list of members though (200,000) who will be recieving a weekly, read only newsletter for my site. So basically, for me, I'd like mailman to be able to blast out to all my members my newsletter. I've looked through the archive list and have found some people who are also doing newsletters (read only) via mailman, but I'd love to hear more about the outcome. Are there any other people who have used mailman for this type of project? Any words of caution or advise? Thanks in advance, Thomasd From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Jul 5 06:50:37 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:50:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? In-Reply-To: <20000701153243.G29811@orac.frost.net> References: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> <20000701153243.G29811@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: >I've just had another mailman reminder turn up from a list server who >appear to have converted in the last month... > >The "From:" line was correct, containing "mailman-owner@" > >The SMTP envelope contained "mm-test-admin@" > >Surely this should be "mailman-owner" too? Just had a chance to look at this... this header is correct. From: mailman-owner at newboy.plaidworks.com These headers are arguably incorrect, because they refer to a list, not the server. Since we aren't sending this out from a list, attaching them to a list is incorrect. Or, it *might* be correct if the user is subscribed to a single list, but it's really not what ought to happen in the general case. Return-Path: Sender: test-admin at newboy.plaidworks.com Errors-To: test-admin at newboy.plaidworks.com X-BeenThere: test at newboy.plaidworks.com List-Id: this is a test. This is only a test. Instead, I recommend: Return-Path: Sender: mailman-owner at newboy.plaidworks.com Errors-To: mailman-owner at newboy.plaidworks.com X-BeenThere: mailman at newboy.plaidworks.com List-Id: On the other hand, this probably breaks bounce processing (although I'm not sure if this message is properly handled by bounce processing, anyway. But this monthly reminder can be a key way ot cleaning up mail lists without VERP if it's used properly...) -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From ganbold at gate.pmis.gov.mn Wed Jul 5 07:50:35 2000 From: ganbold at gate.pmis.gov.mn (Ganbold) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:50:35 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist problem Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000705134738.00b366a0@gate.pmis.gov.mn> After successfully installing Mailman-2.0beta3 I tried to create new list using newlist. But there are appearing errors pointing lines of MailList.py. Could somebody give me some advice and recommendation? thanks in advance, Ganbold From root at maloca.oca.org.br Wed Jul 5 08:03:36 2000 From: root at maloca.oca.org.br (Paje da Oca) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:03:36 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Paulo Schreiner writes: > > Im in need of a portuguese translation of Mailman, where do I get it? If > > it doesn't exist yet, what are the guidelines to do it, so it can be > > included in future releases? And, On 5 Jul 2000, Jorge Godoy wrote: > I think there is none. Er, in fact, there are several! :-) Here at UnB we have at least too partial translations, and I received from this list pointers to other two. And there is the "International" version as well. Sorry that I haven't got the pointers here, but could forward them to you tomorrow. Leonardo From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Jul 5 08:03:44 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist problem In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000705134738.00b366a0@gate.pmis.gov.mn> References: <4.2.0.58.20000705134738.00b366a0@gate.pmis.gov.mn> Message-ID: At 1:50 PM +0800 7/5/00, Ganbold wrote: >After successfully installing Mailman-2.0beta3 I tried to create new >list using newlist. But there are appearing errors pointing lines of >MailList.py. >Could somebody give me some advice and recommendation? (this is a recording....) b3 has a bug in list creation. There are patches in the archives, and it'll be fixed in b4, due out any minute now. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From matthewf at orac.frost.net Wed Jul 5 08:38:37 2000 From: matthewf at orac.frost.net (Matthew Frost) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:38:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? In-Reply-To: ; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 09:50:37PM -0700 References: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> <20000701153243.G29811@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: <20000705073837.A2435@orac.frost.net> On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 09:50:37PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > Instead, I recommend: > > Return-Path: > Sender: mailman-owner at newboy.plaidworks.com > Errors-To: mailman-owner at newboy.plaidworks.com > X-BeenThere: mailman at newboy.plaidworks.com > List-Id: > > On the other hand, this probably breaks bounce processing (although > I'm not sure if this message is properly handled by bounce > processing, anyway. But this monthly reminder can be a key way ot > cleaning up mail lists without VERP if it's used properly...) Ah yes. mailman-owner is usually a human and so this probably would break bounce processing because any bounced mail would be sent there instead. Should there be some generic mailman address that is used for this type of password mailout that can be set up to handle bounces? Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ email: matthew at frost.org "B Integer out of range, 0:1" From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Jul 5 08:49:32 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:49:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? In-Reply-To: <20000705073837.A2435@orac.frost.net> References: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> <20000701153243.G29811@orac.frost.net> <20000705073837.A2435@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: At 7:38 AM +0100 7/5/00, Matthew Frost wrote: >mailman-owner is usually a human and so this probably would break >bounce processing because any bounced mail would be sent there >instead. Should there be some generic mailman address that is used >for this type of password mailout that can be set up to handle bounces? Should be, and probably be owner-mailman, so that any mail mailman@ is sent out (at least via sendmail) using that as the envelope address where bounces go. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Jul 5 09:00:41 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:00:41 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] b3 password reminder wierdness? In-Reply-To: ; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 11:49:32PM -0700 References: <20000701102159.B29811@orac.frost.net> <20000701153243.G29811@orac.frost.net> <20000705073837.A2435@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: <20000705160041.A24424@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 11:49:32PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > Should be, and probably be owner-mailman, so that any mail mailman@ > is sent out (at least via sendmail) using that as the envelope > address where bounces go. This has been discussed a lot. The first summary that the search engine turned up were some of comments Barry made (back when 2.0 was still called 1.2 :-): http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2000-March/001866.html I think the having a working user (virtual-host-wide) database would be a very good thing and be the "best" solution. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From pjcd at maties.sun.ac.za Wed Jul 5 09:08:04 2000 From: pjcd at maties.sun.ac.za (Dovey J, Mr) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:08:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fixing Mailman after Upgrading Linux Message-ID: <2827D92BF3C4D311A3DA00805FB7852308F15C@exchange01.sun.ac.za> Hi, I was running Red Hat 6.0 and Mailman(beta3) quite happily until I decided to upgrade to 6.2. The upgrade ran smoothly, but of course once I had the system up, my lists did not want to work at all.. The first problem that I discovered was that Python 1.5 had been installed and 1.6 was not being referenced. That I fixed by renaming the /usr/bin/python file to python.old and sym-linking thee /usr/local/python to /usr/bin/python .. That seemed to fix that problem.. The next problem was with the a message sent back to mail subscribers that the service was not available.. After MUCH searching and hunting round, I discovered a message at http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/faqs/RH-sendmail-FAQ/x99.html that told of how MajorDomo needed to be fixed because of the new use of smrsh. I did what they told me there, but applied it to sendmail ie.. cd /etc/smrsh ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper . This seemed to fix the errors in the /var/log/maillog file. Here is the error message sent to people trying to post: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post impteam" (expanded from: impteam) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post impteam"... Service unavailable The problem is that the mail is still not being delivered to the list subscribers.. but no errors are being generated.. What do I still need to do ? The other problem is that the urls /mailman/admin and /mailman/listinfo are also not working, even though they did before. This is the next problem... Anyone who can help me ? John --- John Dovey Assistant Director (IT) Library Services University of Stellenbosch South Africa Phone: +27-21-8084497 Fax: +27-21-8084336 URL: http://erlsrv.sun.ac.za/dovey/ From pjcd at maties.sun.ac.za Wed Jul 5 09:22:01 2000 From: pjcd at maties.sun.ac.za (Dovey J, Mr) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:22:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fixing Mailman after Upgrading Linux Message-ID: <2827D92BF3C4D311A3DA00805FB7852308F15F@exchange01.sun.ac.za> > -----Original Message----- > From: D Swart [mailto:dirk at tristar.co.za] > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 9:15 AM > To: Dovey J, Mr > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fixing Mailman after Upgrading Linux > > > Hi, > > I am using RH6.2 with sendmail, and have also had major > problems with smrsh. > First I take it your mean ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper. Nope. I meant exactly what I said.. > Then you need to make sure the permissions are ok. So try setting up a > logger script (logger Stillhavingprobs should do it), and put > that in your > mailman with a link from smrsh. Then try to execute mailman > from the command > line. I was too impatient. It DOES work.. I just needed to wait for qrunner to get aroundtoit again.. Thanx Anyway John From pjcd at maties.sun.ac.za Wed Jul 5 09:23:32 2000 From: pjcd at maties.sun.ac.za (Dovey J, Mr) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:23:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fixing Mailman after Upgrading Linux Message-ID: <2827D92BF3C4D311A3DA00805FB7852308F160@exchange01.sun.ac.za> Hi Jim, Thanx for the fast reply.. Turns out I just needed to wait for qrunner to happen... > > Is the mail being delivered to mailman according to the sendmail logs? Yes.. > Is mail piling up in Mailman's queue directory? (double > check the cron > jobs for mailman) Yes > > The other problem is that the urls /mailman/admin and > /mailman/listinfo > > are also not working, even though they did before. This is the next > > problem... > > You should double check that you have added the appropriate > script aliases > in your (new) Apache httpd.conf configuration. This was the first thing that I checked.. and the old httpd.conf file is still there.. The upgrade left it intact.. John From ganbold at gate.pmis.gov.mn Wed Jul 5 10:27:27 2000 From: ganbold at gate.pmis.gov.mn (Ganbold) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:27:27 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Operating system error Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000705162648.00b37260@gate.pmis.gov.mn> Now I have following error: Operating system error Could somebody give me some advice and recommendation? thanks in advance, Ganbold From thomas at madeforchina.com Wed Jul 5 20:52:44 2000 From: thomas at madeforchina.com (Thomas Duterme) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:52:44 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question on installing mailman Message-ID: <20000705105809.9D5861CD58@dinsdale.python.org> Hi all, I've done everything by the book so far and I get the following error below. I'm running this with Qmail, if that helps at all. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Thomas $ ./check_perms No problems found $ ./newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: thomas at madeforchina.com Initial test password: mfc Traceback (innermost last): File "./newlist", line 155, in ? main(sys.argv) File "./newlist", line 112, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785, in Create self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894, in Load raise Errors.MMUnknownListError Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError ==================================================== it created /home/mailman/lists/test but couldn't read from /Mailman/mm_cg.py file .... From roedelm at letu.edu Wed Jul 5 16:39:49 2000 From: roedelm at letu.edu (Mark Roedel) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:39:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] address changes Message-ID: I've gotten a number of messages from my list members recently -- I guess summer is the season for moving -- asking how they can change their subscription address. Currently, of course, I tell them that they need to unsubscribe their old address and then open a new subscription from their new address. However, I can certainly see where someone who wasn't thinking in terms of what happens behind the scenes might not find that intuitive. So... Is my best option to simply add some instructive text to the template for the configuration page? Or would it be possible (and not horrendously difficult) to add "change my subscribed address" as a feature? --- Mark Roedel | "Blessed is he who has learned to laugh Systems Programmer | at himself, for he shall never cease LeTourneau University | to be entertained." Longview, Texas, USA | -- John Powell From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Jul 5 16:24:54 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:24:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question on installing mailman In-Reply-To: <20000705105809.9D5861CD58@dinsdale.python.org> References: <20000705105809.9D5861CD58@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: At 6:52 PM +0000 7/5/00, Thomas Duterme wrote: >Hi all, > >I've done everything by the book so far and I get the following error below. >I'm running this with Qmail, if that helps at all. Anyone have any ideas? (this is a recording....) b3 has a bug in list creation. There are patches in the archives, and it'll be fixed in b4, due out any minute now. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Wed Jul 5 17:17:42 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:17:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mergin lists Message-ID: <20000705111742.B28634@raleigh.ibm.com> All - I've merged the membership of two mailing lists and would now like to merge the list archives. I see the mailman saves a copy of the list archives in mbox format (which is good) and my first though is to use formail to some how merge the two mbox archives then have pipermail rebuild the archive. Thoughts, suggestions, and (more importantly) formail examples, would be a great help. -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Wed Jul 5 17:27:23 2000 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:27:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mergin lists In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Russell of "Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:17:42 EDT." <20000705111742.B28634@raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com said: > my first though is to use formail to some how merge the two mbox > archives then have pipermail rebuild the archive. Keep the archive mboxes separate, but then run arch on each of the mbox sets - the individual article numbering will be odd, but the indexes will be correctly sorted. Nigel. -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Wed Jul 5 17:29:36 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mergin lists In-Reply-To: ; from Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk on Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 04:27:23PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20000705112936.B28720@raleigh.ibm.com> Cool. That was 1000% easier than I thought it would be! Thanks for the pointer. -- Scott On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 04:27:23PM +0100, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > > scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com said: > > my first though is to use formail to some how merge the two mbox > > archives then have pipermail rebuild the archive. > > Keep the archive mboxes separate, but then run arch on each of the mbox > sets - the individual article numbering will be odd, but the indexes > will be correctly sorted. > > Nigel. > -- > [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] > [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] > [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From marouni at earlham.edu Wed Jul 5 17:37:27 2000 From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nick Marouf) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:37:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail archive -> MHonArc References: <20000705111742.B28634@raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: <39635637.AF456F5@earlham.edu> Hi Guys, I just got MHonArc to work as my external archive for public and private lists. However How do I get my old archives for a mailing list from pipermail into MHonArc. I at first used ARCH with the list name and it re-generated the pipermail archive. any help would be appreciated. thanks again. nick From jmackenzie at local.ie Wed Jul 5 17:36:09 2000 From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:36:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem With archives In-Reply-To: <20000705112936.B28720@raleigh.ibm.com> References: <20000705112936.B28720@raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: <0007051639430N.01007@samsara.local.ie> Since upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0b3 my archives aren't running correctly.... well Aren't running at all to be more precise. if i look at the archives in pipermail I'm told that there are none, yet if I look in the archives folder on the server.. there clearly are. Whenever I try and run arch on them I get a message as follows : [root at localweb bin]# ./arch louth-letter /home/mailman/archives/private/louth-letter.mbox/louth-letter.mbox figuring article archives 1999-December Processing article #0 into archives ['1999-December'] Traceback (innermost last): File "./arch", line 128, in ? main() File "./arch", line 117, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 402, in processUnixMailbox self.add_article(a) # Add the article File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 859, in add_article article.subject) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 306, in getOldestArticle self.__openIndices(archive) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 252, in __openIndices t=DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive+'-'+i)) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 65, in __init__ fp = open(path) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 572, in open_ex raise IOError, e IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/archives/private/louth-letter/database/1999-December-date' It's quiter correct stating that this file or directory does not exist.... However.. the database directory did not exist in 1.1 (i think) make update , or update in the bin dir, have no affect. Any ideas ? - John -- John MacKenzie | Unix Systems Admin | e: mailto:jmackenzie at local.ie ___________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch your local area through Local Ireland http://chat.local.ie/chat/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ local ireland | dublin | new york | http://www.local.ie t: +353 1 676 8996 f: +353 1 283 9988 From jgray at lcdfnm.org Wed Jul 5 18:05:23 2000 From: jgray at lcdfnm.org (Joseph Gray) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:05:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My MHonArc configuration Message-ID: <000201bfe69a$d38bcd90$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> This is a followup to my posting about how I had MHonArc configured with Mailman. After some suggestions from others on the list, I have changed things substantially. Here is my present configuration. Be careful of any word wrapping that my email client may have done to the following lines. ----- First, I define the external archiver in "mm_cfg.py". Note that I am calling a wrapper script and not MHonArc directly. PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/home/mailman/ext-archiver %(listname)s" PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/home/mailman/ext-archiver %(listname)s" ----- Here is the wrapper script itself. Since this script is called each time a message is archived, it checks to see if a directory for the current month exists. If not, a new month's directory is created and at that time, the "index.html" file is updated to list the directories containing each month's archive. I didn't want to let the Apache web server automatically index these directories, since they are in the "private" directory. I also wanted to control the format of the web page listing. I am no shell script expert, so if anyone sees a problem with this, please let me know. #!/bin/sh # 2 Jul 2000 Joe Gray - /home/mailman/ext-archiver # Wrapper script to make MHonArc create monthly archives. umask 022 LISTNAME=$1 MONTH_YEAR=`date +%B%Y` LISTDIR=/home/mailman/archives/private/$LISTNAME OUTDIR=$LISTDIR/$MONTH_YEAR RCFILE=/home/mailman/mhonarc.mrc # Make the monthly directory if it doesn't exist. Update the "index.html" # file to reflect the added month. if [ ! -d "$OUTDIR" ]; then mkdir -p $OUTDIR cd $LISTDIR ls -t -1 > dirlist grep -v 'dirlist' dirlist > newlist grep -v 'index.html' newlist > dirlist rm -f newlist echo '' > index.html echo '' >> index.html echo -n 'Monthly Archives of ' >> index.html echo -n $1 >> index.html echo '' >> index.html echo '' >> index.html echo '' >> index.html echo -n '

    Monthly Archives of ' >> index.html echo -n $1 >> index.html echo '

    ' >> index.html echo '
    ' >> index.html
    for I in `cat dirlist`; do
        echo -n '' >> index.html
        echo -n $I >> index.html
        echo '/' >> index.html
    done
    echo '
    ' >> index.html echo '' >> index.html fi /usr/local/bin/mhonarc -add -rcfile $RCFILE -outdir $OUTDIR ----- Here is my "mhonarc.mrc" resource file. 022 index.html 20 to from date reply-to Mailing List Archive (by Date) Mailing List Archive (Threaded)
  • $SUBJECT$ - $YYYYMMDD$ - $FROMNAME$
  • $SUBJECT$ - $FROMNAME$ text/plain;maxwidth=80 ----- From stb at spline.inf.fu-berlin.de Wed Jul 5 18:04:55 2000 From: stb at spline.inf.fu-berlin.de (Stephan Berndts) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:04:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman (and QMail?) Message-ID: <20000705180455.A3154@bla.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de> Hi! We run Mailman 2.0beta3 and QMail 1.03 The problem is that mails going outside the local network are sent in a new message which quotes the full header of the original message. The sender is -admin, the subject is empty. Here is an example: --- Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:48:05 +0200 (MEST) From: test1-admin at lists.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de Apparently-To: Delivered-To: test1 at lists.spline.de >>From stb at spline.inf.fu-berlin.de Wed Jul 05 15:47:12 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: test1 at lists.spline.de Received: (qmail 3547 invoked by uid 2063); 5 Jul 2000 15:47:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:47:12 +0200 From: Stephan Berndts To: test1 at lists.spline.de Message-ID: <20000705174712.A3513 at bla.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0i Subject: [Test1] Example Sender: test1-admin at lists.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de Errors-To: test1-admin at lists.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de X-BeenThere: test1 at lists.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta3 Precedence: bulk List-Id: This is an example mail. _______________________________________________ Test1 maillist - Test1 at lists.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de http://lists.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de/mailman/listinfo/test1 --- We don't know whether this is a Mailman or a QMail problem. Second problem: Since we moved our lists from Mailman 1.x to 2.0beta3 all admin-passwords are rejected by the webinterface. Hope, someone has solutions ... Stephan From paulo at bewnet.com.br Wed Jul 5 18:10:08 2000 From: paulo at bewnet.com.br (Paulo Schreiner) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:10:08 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translations References: Message-ID: <39635DE0.AAD2E995@bewnet.com.br> > Er, in fact, there are several! :-) > > Here at UnB we have at least too partial translations, and I received > from this list pointers to other two. And there is the "International" > version as well. Sorry that I haven't got the pointers here, but could > forward them to you tomorrow. I'd be glad if you do so! The thing that interests me most is the way the translation is done, i guess there's some version of gettext for Python, that can be used to great something like .po files. If i has some pointers to this, it would be easy to complete/merge the already existing translations. Sincerly, Paulo Schreiner > > > Leonardo > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From mwendt at intertv.com Wed Jul 5 18:46:04 2000 From: mwendt at intertv.com (Mark Wendt) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:46:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problems Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000705124136.00b1da90@intertv.com> Hi all, Context: Sun Ultra 1, sendmail 8.9.3, Mailman 1.0. Problem : up until today, list server working just fine. This morning, I come in and the list server is having these problems: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: postmaster MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (postmaster-notification) The original message was received at Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) from localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner help" (expanded from: help-admin) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner help"... unknown mailer error 1 Looking at the error log, here's what's showing up: Jul 05 12:09:35 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/var/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 42, in ? post: mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1]) post: File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 61, in __init__ post: self.Load() post: File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 802, in Load post: raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' post: MMBadListError : Failed to access config info What what cause this kind of error with the list? Thanks, Mark Wendt From mwendt at intertv.com Wed Jul 5 18:59:00 2000 From: mwendt at intertv.com (Mark Wendt) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problems In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000705124136.00b1da90@intertv.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000705125655.00af8740@intertv.com> I found the problem. Seems my web master had gone in yesterday and inadvertently changed the group on all the files under the mailman directory. Changed the group ownership back to mailman, and now everything is working correctly. Figures, the one thing I didn't check..... Doh! Mark Wendt At 12:46 PM 7/5/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > > Context: Sun Ultra 1, sendmail 8.9.3, Mailman 1.0. > > Problem : up until today, list server working just fine. This > morning, I come in and the list server is having these problems: > >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem >To: postmaster >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 1 >Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (postmaster-notification) > >The original message was received at Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) >from localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner help" > (expanded from: help-admin) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >554 "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner help"... unknown mailer error 1 > > Looking at the error log, here's what's showing up: > >Jul 05 12:09:35 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): >post: File "/var/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 42, in ? >post: mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1]) >post: File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 61, in __init__ >post: self.Load() >post: File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 802, in Load >post: raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' >post: MMBadListError : Failed to access config info > > > What what cause this kind of error with the list? > >Thanks, >Mark Wendt > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From isheen at rcp.net.pe Wed Jul 5 19:04:04 2000 From: isheen at rcp.net.pe (Irma Sheen) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:04:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question References: <3963610D.6F8F4BFD@rcp.net.pe> Message-ID: <39636B55.5CB23F5F@rcp.net.pe> > > I hope you can help me. I want to know where the members o... > and the list are saved. I think these items are saved in s... > ....or no? > Thanks From tom.moore at landslidedesign.com Wed Jul 5 19:06:16 2000 From: tom.moore at landslidedesign.com (Tom Moore) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:06:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and OS X Server? Message-ID: OK, this query has been posted here without answer several times, but I'd like to try it once more: Has anyone had luck getting past the error experienced when installing Mailman onto an OS X Server system? This seems to be what everyone gets: do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \ done cc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./common.c ./common.c:26: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function) ./common.c:26: `scripts' undeclared here (not in a function) ./common.c:26: parse error before `;' make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1 make: *** [doinstall] Error 2 Any ideas? Can anyone on another system diagnose this? Many thanks. Tom Moore Landslide Design -- ---------------- Tom Moore President, Landslide Design tom.moore at landslidedesign.com 11 Forest Ave., Rockville, MD 20850 phone: 301.762.0627 fax: 301.762.5156 From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca Wed Jul 5 21:28:56 2000 From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail archive -> MHonArc In-Reply-To: <39635637.AF456F5@earlham.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Nick Marouf wrote: > Hi Guys, > I just got MHonArc to work as my external archive for public and private > lists. However How do I get my old archives for a mailing list from pipermail > into MHonArc. I at first used ARCH with the list name and it re-generated > the pipermail archive. i think you're going to have to run mhonarc using your existing listname.mbox file as input. you may have to split it into individual messages and feed each to mhonarc. i posted some scripts to this list a while ago that do some of this work, but i'm using mhonarc along with glimpse and wilma so my stuff may be overkill for a mhonarc-only installation. you may get some useful ideas by looking at them. search the archives for my messages regarding mhonarc, wilma and glimpse. -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster dot ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ From pete at partnercomm.com Wed Jul 5 22:40:46 2000 From: pete at partnercomm.com (Peter Murray) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] daily digest send? Message-ID: <39639D4E.29C96615@partnercomm.com> I've had trouble with Mailman 1.1 getting digests to go daily - whether the Kb limit is hit or not. The list is indeed set up to dispatch a digest daily (whether the Kb limit is set or not), but it still waits for the Kb limit... ideas? I didn't find any bugs in the jitterbug database that seemed pertinent to this. I'm running Red Hat Linux 6.1, Python 1.5.2, and Mailman 1.1. I'm anxiously waiting to see how 2.0b4 looks before I do any upgrading... Thanks for any help! -Peter Murray Partner Communications Group, Inc. http://www.ravedata.com From dk at squaretrade.com Wed Jul 5 23:08:45 2000 From: dk at squaretrade.com (Dan Kappus) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:08:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving lists Message-ID: <20000705140845.A29057@squaretrade.com> I am really quite confused about how mailman identifies what host it is running on. Steps I took to become confused: a)Installed Mailman on machine number one named internal b)moved the entire Mailman filesystem tree with many busy lists to a machine with another hostname, mail c)Tried to access the public archives and couldn't, though the listinfo page was happy, and the admin interface worked d)changed the defaults in mm_cfg.py to reflect new hostname e)did list_lists | awk '{print $1}' | xargs move_list to move all the lists f) went to the listinfo page and noted that none of the many lists that I saw in step c were listed anymore g) ran in circles, deperately crying "Ega!! Bundulooo!" in imitation of esr and rms. What have I done wrong? I follow the list sporadically, but if someone happens to know where I've acted without clue, feel free to follow up with me in email (reply-to is set). From jgray at lcdfnm.org Wed Jul 5 23:19:18 2000 From: jgray at lcdfnm.org (Joseph Gray) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:19:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Random passwords Message-ID: <003c01bfe6c6$add51800$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> I patched "~/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py" to force the generation of random passwords when a user subscribes from the web page, as documented on this list. I made one change, however. I called Utils.MakeRandomPassword twice, to give an 8 character password. This works fine when the user subscribes themselves, but if the admin subscribes one or more users, only a 4 character password is generated. Obviously, the admin subscribe option invokes some different code than "subscribe.py". I can't seem to find where this is - does anyone have any idea? I just did a test and it seems that when a user subscribes via email, to the "-request" address, this also only generates a 4 character password. Is this in the same place as the admin subscribe? Thanks. From marouni at earlham.edu Wed Jul 5 23:46:34 2000 From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nick Marouf) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:46:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail archive -> MHonArc References: <44.5215ff0.2694f553@cs.com> Message-ID: <3963ACBA.2725F762@earlham.edu> WHAT? then get off the Mailman-Users mailing list. Nick WILDMANJ1 at cs.com wrote: > DO NOT SEND ANYMORE EMAIL TO THIS ADDRESS From jgray at lcdfnm.org Thu Jul 6 00:00:07 2000 From: jgray at lcdfnm.org (Joseph Gray) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:00:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Random passwords Message-ID: <004501bfe6cc$6197d300$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> Replying to my previous message - never mind, I finally found the other two places to patch this: MailCommandHandler.py and MailList.py. From jgray at lcdfnm.org Thu Jul 6 00:12:45 2000 From: jgray at lcdfnm.org (Joseph Gray) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:12:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Random passwords Message-ID: <004801bfe6ce$25654af0$5f64020a@lcdfnm.org> Sorry, I just realized I had my email client word wrap set to 132 chars. I was doing some testing earlier and forgot to reset it to 76 chars. From foner at media.mit.edu Thu Jul 6 08:48:24 2000 From: foner at media.mit.edu (Lenny Foner) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incoming patch to fix a few Mailman bugs Message-ID: <200007060648.CAA19071@out-of-band.media.mit.edu> I just sent this to the developer list, but figured that the bugs and (in some cases) patches might be useful to others as well, before they can be looked at and/or incorporated into the current release. Enjoy. [I'm sending this as a separate message to keep discussion from bleeding from one list to another; note that I'm not on -either- list and that you need to CC me if you want me to see anything before I read it out of the archive maybe a month from now.] - - - Begin forwarded message - - - Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:43:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Lenny Foner To: mailman-developers at python.org Subject: Incoming patch to fix a few Mailman bugs [Please keep me CC'ed on any response you'd like me to see; I will occasionally read the developer & user archives from the website, but they're both too high-traffic for me to be subscribed to, so I'm only on the announce list.] Hi. On 18 June 2000, I sent three messages detailing about 14, uh, "issues" I had with Mailman 2.0beta2 as a brand-new user of it to administer some lists of mine. I've since discovered another serious one (#0 below). Included below that is a patch which fixes #0, #3, #7 (badly---it just removes the text, even if reminder messages -are- being sent!), #8, #9, #10, and #11 (but note that #11 is untested in the umbrella-list configuration). Fixing #0 actually required me to learn Python and a lot of the (confusingly-implemented) design of how Mailman archives messages (totally different control flows for real-time archiving vs rebulding the archive, and none of this is documented in the source code); I did both simply by reading the code on Saturday and Sunday. But be aware, though, that the resulting code may have better solutions for a more experienced Python programmer; I'm really a Common Lisp programmer at heart. :) Bugs #1 and #2 still look reasonably critical to me but are the ones I'm least likely to be fixing, since they may require more familiarity with the source than I'll have time to spend. I'm including all of the original items after the patch, including #0 (which I haven't reported before), so you can figure out what I'm talking about without digging up my old mail. Note also that this patch is for 2.0beta2, not 2.0beta3---beta3 looks a little too unstable for me to use right now, based on the mail I saw on the users list immediately after its release. However, except perhaps for line numbers, it doesn't look like much (or any) of my patches conflict with anything that was done for beta3, so it should be relatively easy to merge this code w/beta3, especially if you're using reasonable merge tools. [If this code will definitely be included in the next release, I might be convinced to do the merge for you, but I'm not going to do so unless I get some feedback that I'm even doing the right thing here to begin with...] - - - Begin patch - - - [This patch was made via "diff -ur" between my modified directory and the virgin 2.0beta2 release, rather than via "patch" or "cvs diff" or anything like that. This means that each file's differences are separated by a line beginning with "diff -ur". I may put Mailman under CVS control at my site if I wind up having to track a lot of divergence between my patches and Mailman, but I'm hoping they'll be folded in instead. Obviously, all the "Foner" comments should be removed; they're there mostly to make it obvious to me, and maybe you, what got changed.] Also, -beware- of indentation! "diff -ur" inserted a leading space in front of -every- line, in theory so that those with +'s and -'s in them would line up with those that had none, but some of the lines were indented with tabs before, hence -those- lines didn't have their alignment changed because SPC TAB is exactly as wide as just TAB. So the 1-character-variances in indentation you see below are spurious; it'll be obvious when merging the patch back into the real sources. diff -ur mailman-2.0beta2.virgin/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py mailman-2.0beta2/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py --- mailman-2.0beta2.virgin/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py Sun Apr 2 20:34:01 2000 +++ mailman-2.0beta2/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py Mon Jul 3 02:07:00 2000 @@ -208,6 +208,7 @@ # from this point on, we're doing all the expensive archiving # work. txt = msg.unixfrom + self.unixfrom = msg.unixfrom ### Foner for h in msg.headers: txt = txt + h if not msg.body or msg.body[0] <> '\n': diff -ur mailman-2.0beta2.virgin/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py mailman-2.0beta2/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py --- mailman-2.0beta2.virgin/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py Fri Apr 7 15:06:58 2000 +++ mailman-2.0beta2/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py Mon Jul 3 03:12:53 2000 @@ -62,16 +62,73 @@ def url_quote(s): return urllib.quote(s) - +### +++ Foner. +# [This template is used when generating archives/private//