From bruno at postle.net  Mon May  1 12:58:11 2000
From: bruno at postle.net (Bruno Postle)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman
In-Reply-To: <p04310105b5324b0b9c9b@[195.97.3.170]>; from mediadyne@hol.gr on Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 11:44:17PM +0300
References: <p04310105b5324b0b9c9b@[195.97.3.170]>
Message-ID: <20000501115811.A14132@postle.net>

On Sun 30-Apr-2000 at 11:44:17PM +0300, Alexander wrote:
> 
> I am about to make a decision on which way to go for a dedicated 
> server, Cobalt, or a normal Intel PC dedicate server.
> 
> I have a preference for the Cobalt servers.
> 
> Has anyone installed Python, and Mailman on such a system?
> 
> Is there an online resource with a description on how to do that?
> 
> Do the Cobalt servers work with Mailman?

I've just finished setting up mailman on a RaQ3 (which is basically a
redhat box with a normal amd processor not a mips chip).

The cgi-wrappers were a problem, and as far as I can tell there is no
way to get mailman to work with them. I just disabled the wrapper in
httpd.conf for a single virtual host and set mailman up as normal (this
seems to work even though httpd.conf is updated automatically by the
web-interface and you lose your warranty by doing anything as root).

Other stuff:

- I had to upgrade python for mailman-2.0beta2

- The sendmail wrappers need to be sym-linked in /usr/adm/sm.bin/ 

- The RaQ3 comes with majordomo pre-installed - you might want to use
  that instead.

- Only get a cobalt box if you really like all that web-admin stuff.

Bruno
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From webmaster at virtualbungalow.com  Mon May  1 15:42:47 2000
From: webmaster at virtualbungalow.com (Webmaster)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:42:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail
Message-ID: <000301bfb373$2315b7a0$ea45fed8@new>

hello,
400 mhz pentium 2 320 ram redhat linux 6.0,ive recently installed
mailman,now i had a problem with the memory originally i had 64 ram so i
added another 256 in there it would choke with only 64,so i had to bring the
open connection option  (num_spawns ) down to 1 but it would take forever so
what sould the setting be for my profile running sendmail the default was 5
should i put it at 5? i have pretty large mailing lists 20,000 members
range.
Thanks.





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon May  1 16:36:16 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:36:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <000301bfb373$2315b7a0$ea45fed8@new>
References: <000301bfb373$2315b7a0$ea45fed8@new>
Message-ID: <20000501103616.D24867@xcski.com>

Quoting Webmaster (webmaster at virtualbungalow.com):
> added another 256 in there it would choke with only 64,so i had to bring the
> open connection option  (num_spawns ) down to 1 but it would take forever so
> what sould the setting be for my profile running sendmail the default was 5
> should i put it at 5? i have pretty large mailing lists 20,000 members
> range.

A list that big should *not* be using sendmail.  It's just too damn slow.
Switch to postfix, emin, or even (god help us) qmail.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
" Those are my principles.  If you don't like them I have others. "
                                   - Groucho Marx



From peter at gol.com  Mon May  1 16:49:41 2000
From: peter at gol.com (Peter Evans)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:49:41 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <20000501103616.D24867@xcski.com>; from Paul Tomblin on Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:36:16AM -0400
References: <000301bfb373$2315b7a0$ea45fed8@new> <20000501103616.D24867@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <20000501234941.B8321052@gol.ad.jp>

Paul Tomblin (ptomblin at xcski.com) wrote:
> Quoting Webmaster (webmaster at virtualbungalow.com):
> > added another 256 in there it would choke with only 64,so i had to bring the
> > open connection option  (num_spawns ) down to 1 but it would take forever so
> > what sould the setting be for my profile running sendmail the default was 5
> > should i put it at 5? i have pretty large mailing lists 20,000 members
> > range.
 
> A list that big should *not* be using sendmail.  It's just too damn slow.
> Switch to postfix, emin, or even (god help us) qmail.
 

	Is it fair to point out that sendmail was doing lists this size
	before postfix, qmail and their ilk were even ideas?

	admitted, they had things like "bulk_mailer" to sort the addresses
	by domain and split them into manageable chunks.

	maybe mailman needs to do something like that if it detects its talking
	to sendmail and not postfix/qmail masquerading ...


	P

-- 
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From scott at emji.net  Mon May  1 16:52:27 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:52:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <20000501234941.B8321052@gol.ad.jp>
Message-ID: <325383.3166167147@adhcp31.emji.net>


--On Monday, May 1, 2000 11:49 PM +0900 Peter Evans <peter at gol.com> wrote:

> Paul Tomblin (ptomblin at xcski.com) wrote:
>> Quoting Webmaster (webmaster at virtualbungalow.com):
>> > added another 256 in there it would choke with only 64,so i had to
>> > bring the open connection option  (num_spawns ) down to 1 but it would
>> > take forever so what sould the setting be for my profile running
>> > sendmail the default was 5 should i put it at 5? i have pretty large
>> > mailing lists 20,000 members range.
>
>> A list that big should *not* be using sendmail.  It's just too damn slow.
>> Switch to postfix, emin, or even (god help us) qmail.
>
>
>	 Is it fair to point out that sendmail was doing lists this size
>	 before postfix, qmail and their ilk were even ideas?
>
>	 admitted, they had things like "bulk_mailer" to sort the addresses
>	 by domain and split them into manageable chunks.
>
>	 maybe mailman needs to do something like that if it detects its talking
>	 to sendmail and not postfix/qmail masquerading ...
>

This would be nice.  Currently, large lists just time out from the CGI 
script with no errors logged any where, at least when using sendmail.  Will 
be trying postfix today and hopefully that will help.

s

>
>	 P
>
> --
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>
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From andrew at ugh.net.au  Tue May  2 01:20:24 2000
From: andrew at ugh.net.au (andrew at ugh.net.au)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:20:24 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiver missing messages
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0005020912210.7618-100000@starbug.ugh.net.au>

Hi Everyone,

I'm running Mailman 2.0b2 with postfix 19991231.06 under FreeBSD
4.0-STABLE. I've just noticed that the archives indicate there have only
been 5 posts to a particular list when there are in fact more. Having I
quick check I find the last several posts are appended to the end of the
previous post.

It appears this is because the first line of the latter posts don't start
with from but actually Return-Path...So where is the
bug/misconfiguration? I assume its the post script that sticks things in
the archive...alas I don't know python. It may have started around the
time postfix was upgraded but I'm not sure...

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Andrew
PS I'm not on the list so please CC me.




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue May  2 03:52:15 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:52:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list not working, more detaled description
Message-ID: <200005020152.SAA09979@utopia.west.sun.com>

Looks to me like the alias is wrong.  "post" takes an argument.
Since that's exactly what the error message is saying (there is
no "argv[1]"), it seems like a good guess.

> i was panicky,
> therefore my last message was inexact.
> 
> it turns out that one of my lists is not working any more.
> the web interface still works,
> and the list is visible,
> but mail bounces
> 
> other lists on the server ARE working,
> so this is a problem of just this list.
> 
> this is the error message.
> 
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/servers/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
> IndexError: list index out of range
> 554 "|/servers/mailman/mail/wrapper post... unknown mailer error 1
> 
> 
> i did a checkdb for the list,
> and it did not find any errors.
> how can i revive the list?
> 
> erich
> 
> 
> you can visit the interface at
> http://sunsite.univie.ac.at/mailman/listinfo
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue May  2 03:54:11 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiver missing messages
Message-ID: <200005020154.SAA10113@utopia.west.sun.com>

Known bug in the archiver; hopefully in beta3; fixed in the CVS

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm running Mailman 2.0b2 with postfix 19991231.06 under FreeBSD
> 4.0-STABLE. I've just noticed that the archives indicate there have only
> been 5 posts to a particular list when there are in fact more. Having I
> quick check I find the last several posts are appended to the end of the
> previous post.
> 
> It appears this is because the first line of the latter posts don't start
> with from but actually Return-Path...So where is the
> bug/misconfiguration? I assume its the post script that sticks things in
> the archive...alas I don't know python. It may have started around the
> time postfix was upgraded but I'm not sure...
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew
> PS I'm not on the list so please CC me.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From krist at West.NL  Tue May  2 15:08:31 2000
From: krist at West.NL (Krist van Besien)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:08:31 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating aliases file.
Message-ID: <200005021308.PAA17643@luzern.West.NL>

Hello all,

When you create a new list using newlist the /etc/aliases file is not
automatically updated. I understand that this used to be done in previous
versions, but that the alias file update is currently broken. 
So I am now faced with a problem. I want to deploy mailman at a clients
site, and really need an automatic update. So I could go out and write
some wrapper script that would do the trick, or try to hack mailman itself.

But the I'd run the danger of doing something that someone else might
already have done, and being the lazy programmer I am I'd like to avoid
that :-)

So hence my questions:
Will the /etc/aliases update work in the next release? If so, how long till
we see it?
Has somedbody maybe an interim patch to make this feature work? Or has
somebody another solution?

TIA

Krist

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From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at  Tue May  2 15:28:11 2000
From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:28:11 +0200 (MES)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating aliases file.
In-Reply-To: <200005021308.PAA17643@luzern.West.NL> from Krist van Besien at
 "May 2, 2000 03:08:31 pm"
Message-ID: <200005021328.PAA32574@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>

According to Krist van Besien:
> When you create a new list using newlist the /etc/aliases file is not
> automatically updated. I understand that this used to be done in previous
> versions, but that the alias file update is currently broken. 

I don't think this is "broken", it's simply not done any more because
it's not necessarily a good idea for everyone.  Some sites, do not use
/etc/aliases or have completely different requirements.  E.g. we are
updating our aliases from a central database.

> So I am now faced with a problem. I want to deploy mailman at a clients
> site, and really need an automatic update. So I could go out and write
> some wrapper script that would do the trick, or try to hack mailman itself.
The hack is, as far as I can see, *very* simple.  You basically have
to replace the print statement with a write statement, bracketet
by a open/close.

> So hence my questions:
> Will the /etc/aliases update work in the next release?
I hope not, this would break things for other sites.

> If so, how long till we see it?
> Has somedbody maybe an interim patch to make this feature work? Or has
> somebody another solution?
Just hack newlist, this should be quite straight forward.

+gg
 
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Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue May  2 15:44:00 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:44:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating aliases file. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Krist van Besien <krist@West.NL> 
   of "Tue, 02 May 2000 15:08:31 +0200." <200005021308.PAA17643@luzern.West.NL> 
Message-ID: <E12mcy0-0004ri-00@rioja.localnet>

krist at West.NL said:
> So I am now faced with a problem. I want to deploy mailman at a
> clients site, and really need an automatic update. So I could go out
> and write some wrapper script that would do the trick, or try to hack
> mailman itself. 

All of these methods are wrong.  You need a means that actually 
integrates your MLM & MTA so that the MTA knows of the lists handled by 
the MLM.   This can certainly be done for exim, and I have heard of 
people doing similar things for postfix and sendmail.

	Nigel.
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From krist at West.NL  Tue May  2 16:11:12 2000
From: krist at West.NL (Krist van Besien)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:11:12 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating aliases file.
In-Reply-To: <E12mcy0-0004ri-00@rioja.localnet> from Nigel Metheringham at "May
 2, 2000 02:44:00 pm"
Message-ID: <200005021411.QAA17863@luzern.West.NL>

As quoted from Nigel Metheringham:
> 
> krist at West.NL said:
> > So I am now faced with a problem. I want to deploy mailman at a
> > clients site, and really need an automatic update. So I could go out
> > and write some wrapper script that would do the trick, or try to hack
> > mailman itself. 
> 
> All of these methods are wrong.  You need a means that actually 
> integrates your MLM & MTA so that the MTA knows of the lists handled by 
> the MLM.   This can certainly be done for exim, and I have heard of 
> people doing similar things for postfix and sendmail.

When you run newlist the rpogram ends printing out the lines you manually
need to add to /etc/aliases. I just need a wqay to add these automatically.

Exim is not an option for me, I need to use sendmail. If there are better
ways to integrate mailman with sendmail other then having a way to add
lines to /etc/aliases I'd be glad to learn about them.

I've started to hack on the alias-wrapper program found in
<mailman-source>/src directory, but which had aparently been commmented out
in the Makefile. See if I can make that work.


Krist

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thinks of complaining."
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From secabeen at pobox.com  Tue May  2 16:17:13 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 09:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating aliases file. 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 May 2000 15:08:31 +0200."
             <200005021308.PAA17643@luzern.West.NL> 
Message-ID: <200005021417.JAA11221@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <200005021308.PAA17643 at luzern.West.NL>, Krist van Besien writes:
>Hello all,
>
>When you create a new list using newlist the /etc/aliases file is not
>automatically updated. I understand that this used to be done in previous
>versions, but that the alias file update is currently broken. 
>So I am now faced with a problem. I want to deploy mailman at a clients
>site, and really need an automatic update. So I could go out and write
>some wrapper script that would do the trick, or try to hack mailman itself.
>
>But the I'd run the danger of doing something that someone else might
>already have done, and being the lazy programmer I am I'd like to avoid
>that :-)
>
>So hence my questions:
>Will the /etc/aliases update work in the next release? If so, how long till
>we see it?
>Has somedbody maybe an interim patch to make this feature work? Or has
>somebody another solution?

I have a such a patch for Mailman 1.1 and sendmail.  I'd be happy to send it 
to you, if you want it.  You still need to run newaliases as well, though.

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From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Tue May  2 16:46:38 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating aliases file.
In-Reply-To: <200005021411.QAA17863@luzern.West.NL>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0005021024210.4132-400000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

this has been discussed before and can be found in the mailman-users
archives.  you could search the mailman-users archives for keywords
sendmail and aliases.  i posted a detailed solution for sendmail and
mailman aliases sometime last year.

briefly, here are the instruction again...

1) create the mailman aliases files in ~mailman, paying close attention
to the ownership and permissions:

-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman      4780 Dec  2 23:02 aliases
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman      4096 Dec  2 23:03 aliases.dir
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman      4096 Dec  2 23:03 aliases.pag

2) in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf (or wherever your sendmail.cf is) add an alias
file include something like this:

# location of alias file
O AliasFile=dbm:/etc/mail/aliases
O AliasFile=dbm:/home/mailman/aliases

3) when running newlist, redirect the output to /home/mailman/aliases,
possibly through a filter to remove the comment lines.

4) run newaliases.

i've attached some small script programs which i use as front-ends to
newlist and rmlist.  they maintain the sendmail aliases file as well as an
owners list.  i use the owners list for distributing information about
mailman to list owners.


On Tue, 2 May 2000, Krist van Besien wrote:

> As quoted from Nigel Metheringham:
> > 
> > krist at West.NL said:
> > > So I am now faced with a problem. I want to deploy mailman at a
> > > clients site, and really need an automatic update. So I could go out
> > > and write some wrapper script that would do the trick, or try to hack
> > > mailman itself. 
> > 
> > All of these methods are wrong.  You need a means that actually 
> > integrates your MLM & MTA so that the MTA knows of the lists handled by 
> > the MLM.   This can certainly be done for exim, and I have heard of 
> > people doing similar things for postfix and sendmail.
> 
> When you run newlist the rpogram ends printing out the lines you manually
> need to add to /etc/aliases. I just need a wqay to add these automatically.
> 
> Exim is not an option for me, I need to use sendmail. If there are better
> ways to integrate mailman with sendmail other then having a way to add
> lines to /etc/aliases I'd be glad to learn about them.
> 
> I've started to hack on the alias-wrapper program found in
> <mailman-source>/src directory, but which had aparently been commmented out
> in the Makefile. See if I can make that work.
> 
> 
> Krist
> 
> --
> Ing. Krist van Besien    | At work:            | At home:
> Software Engineer        | krist at west.nl       | kvbesien at casema.net
> West Consulting B.V.     | http://www.west.nl  | 
> Delft, the Netherlands   | +31 (0)15 2191604   | +31 (0)6 50235002
> --
> "Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the
> usual way.  This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody
> thinks of complaining."
> 		-- Jeff Raskin, interviewed in Doctor Dobb's Journal
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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#!/bin/sh
#
# wrapper script to do all the nitty-gritty of creating a new list
# - prompt for newlist parameters
# - run mailman newlist program
# - update aliases file and run newaliases
# - update owners list
#
# Todd Pfaff
# March 3 2000

echo
echo running local newlist program
while [ "$x" != "y" ]; do
  echo
  echo Enter list name:
  read list
  echo Enter list owner email address:
  read email
  echo Enter list owner password:
  read pw
  echo
  echo list name: $list
  echo owner email: $email
  echo owner password: $pw
  echo
  echo "Is this correct? (y/n)"
  read x
done

aliases=/tmp/mailman-aliases-$$

echo
echo running mailman newlist program
$HOME/bin/newlist $list $email $pw 1 > $aliases

echo
echo adding new aliases to aliases file
cat $aliases
cat $aliases | sed -e '1,3d' >> $HOME/aliases
rm -f $aliases

echo
echo running newaliases
newaliases

echo
echo adding $email to owners-list
echo $email | add_members -w n -n - owners-list

echo
echo new list $list created
echo

-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# wrapper script to do all the nitty-gritty of removing a list
# - prompt for rmlist parameters
# - run mailman rmlist program
# - update aliases file and run newaliases
# - update owners list
#
# Todd Pfaff
# March 3 2000

echo
echo running local rmlist program

while [ "$x" != "y" ]; do
  echo
  echo Enter list name:
  read list
  echo "Remove archives? (y/n)"
  read rmarchives
  echo
  echo list name: $list
  if [ "$rmarchives" = "y" ]; then
    echo remove archives
    rmopt="-a"
  else
    echo do not remove archives
  fi
  echo
  echo "Is this correct? (y/n)"
  read x
done

aliases=/tmp/mailman-aliases-$$

echo
echo running mailman rmlist program
$HOME/bin/rmlist $rmopt $list

echo
echo editing aliases file
cp -p $HOME/aliases $HOME/aliases.tmp
ed $HOME/aliases.tmp >/dev/null 2>&1 << EOF
/^## $list mailing list/;.+7d
w
q
EOF

echo
echo these lines will be removed from aliases
diff $HOME/aliases $HOME/aliases.tmp
echo
echo "Is this correct? (y/n)"
read x
if [ "$x" = "y" ]; then
  cp -p $HOME/aliases.tmp $HOME/aliases
fi
rm -f $HOME/aliases.tmp

echo
echo running newaliases
newaliases

echo
echo "updating owners-list (this may take a while)"
owners-update

echo
echo list $list removed
echo

-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# for each list
#   use config_list to extract and print list owner addresses
# end
# pass the list of owners to sync_members to update owners-list
#
# Todd Pfaff
# Feb 17 2000
#
cd $HOME/lists
for list in *; do
  eval ` \
  config_list -o - $list \
  | grep '^owner' \
  | tr -d "\[\],'" \
  | sed \
    -e 's/ = /="/' \
    -e 's/$/"/' \
  `
  for o in $owner; do
    echo $o
  done
done \
| sort -u \
| sync_members -a=no -w=no -f - owners-list

From bolen at hcs.harvard.edu  Tue May  2 18:52:51 2000
From: bolen at hcs.harvard.edu (britt)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:52:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating aliases file.
In-Reply-To: <200005021411.QAA17863@luzern.West.NL>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10005021243430.24357-100000@hcs.harvard.edu>

On Tue, 2 May 2000, Krist van Besien wrote:

> Exim is not an option for me, I need to use sendmail. If there are better
> ways to integrate mailman with sendmail other then having a way to add
> lines to /etc/aliases I'd be glad to learn about them.

here...

run this patch in your mailman/bin directory and you'll have just what
you'll need.  you'll need to run newaliases of course...

*** newlist     Mon Apr 17 20:32:53 2000
--- newlist2    Sat Apr 15 19:09:42 2000
***************
*** 46,52 ****
  
  
  ALIASTEMPLATE = '''
- Entry for aliases file:
  
  ## %(listname)s mailing list
  ## created: %(date)s %(user)s
--- 46,51 ----
***************
*** 115,121 ****
          except Errors.MMBadEmailError:
              usage(1, 'Bad owner email address: ' + owner_mail)
  
! 
          print ALIASTEMPLATE % {
              'listname': listname,
              'list'    : "%-24s" % (listname + ":"),
--- 114,122 ----
          except Errors.MMBadEmailError:
              usage(1, 'Bad owner email address: ' + owner_mail)
  
!         import sys
!         tempout = sys.stdout
!         sys.stdout = open("/etc/aliases", "a")
          print ALIASTEMPLATE % {
              'listname': listname,
              'list'    : "%-24s" % (listname + ":"),
***************
*** 126,131 ****
--- 127,134 ----
              'date'    : time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', time.localtime(time.time())),
              'user'    : getusername(),
              }
+         sys.stdout.close()
+         sys.stdout = tempout
  
          if len(argv) < 5:
              print ("Hit enter to continue with %s owner notification..."



B

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Britt Bolen               britt at bolen.com               britt.bolen.com 





From ppp at vsnl.com  Tue May  2 18:53:42 2000
From: ppp at vsnl.com (PPPindia)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:23:42 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sample .qmail alias file for virtual domain ?
Message-ID: <390F0816.659A8F22@vsnl.com>

Can anyone post a sample .qmail alias files 
under a virtual domain for a mailman list ?

I am using vpopmail/qmailadmin which takes care of creating
aliases in a seperate virtual domain directory.
Where should i create .qmail files for a mailman list ?
In the home/mailman directory or under the virtual domain
directory ?
Is it necessary that all mails for the virtual domain
where the mailman list is hosted should be handled by 'mailman'
alias user ?

Please help
ksamy
+--------------------------------------------------------+
PPPshar- Internet for your LAN with one Internet account
netMailshar -Email for every desktop with one 'Net account.
MailAssistant - Speaking Email Notifier
GetAgain - resume interrupted downloads.
Visit http://www.pppindia.com/software
+--------------------------------------------------------+



From bolen at hcs.harvard.edu  Tue May  2 19:25:08 2000
From: bolen at hcs.harvard.edu (britt)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:25:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] converting from Majordomo
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10005021323240.6986-100000@hcs.harvard.edu>

I've written a script that will convert a majordomo list.config file into
the appropriate input for the config_list command.

if anyone wants it, lemme know.

or if there's a contrib place I'd be happy to submit it.

my next project is a script that translates mail to majordomo into mailman
commands for sites that are transitioning to mailman from major.

B

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Britt Bolen               britt at bolen.com               britt.bolen.com 




From cameron at noontide.lick.pvt.k12.ca.us  Tue May  2 19:22:11 2000
From: cameron at noontide.lick.pvt.k12.ca.us (Cameron Admin)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:22:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering Mailman Archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005021019280.9638-100000@noontide.lick.pvt.k12.ca.us>

Hey All

I am having trouble recovering our archives after a cracking incident. I
have a tarred files of the old system, but am I unsure of what files I
would need to copy to the newer running version of mailman...Any thoughts
on this? I have the aliases file up to date, but not sure waht else needs
to go where.

Cheers
Cameron




From robin at alldunn.com  Tue May  2 19:32:33 2000
From: robin at alldunn.com (Robin Dunn)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:32:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!
Message-ID: <014601bfb45c$67371fc0$3225d2d1@ARES>

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 59, in main
    FormatAdminOverview()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 192, in
FormatAdminOverview
    l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info


All I did was add some digest members to the list from the command line with

--
Robin Dunn
Software Craftsman
robin at AllDunn.com
http://wxpython.org     Java give you jitters?
http://wxpros.com        Relax with wxPython!





From robin at alldunn.com  Tue May  2 19:37:09 2000
From: robin at alldunn.com (Robin Dunn)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HELP!
Message-ID: <014c01bfb45d$0bd8f7b0$3225d2d1@ARES>

Never mind, I figured it out.

--
Robin Dunn
Software Craftsman
robin at AllDunn.com
http://wxpython.org     Java give you jitters?
http://wxpros.com        Relax with wxPython!






From bruno at postle.net  Tue May  2 19:42:13 2000
From: bruno at postle.net (Bruno Postle)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:42:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman on a RaQ
In-Reply-To: <p04310104b53396f9e4cf@[195.97.7.102]>; from mediadyne@hol.gr on Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:19:39PM +0300
References: <p04310105b5324b0b9c9b@[195.97.3.170]> <20000501115811.A14132@postle.net> <p04310104b53396f9e4cf@[195.97.7.102]>
Message-ID: <20000502184213.C15217@postle.net>

On Mon 01-May-2000 at 11:19:39PM +0300, Alexander wrote:
> >
> >I've just finished setting up mailman on a RaQ3 (which is basically a
> >redhat box with a normal amd processor not a mips chip).

<snip depressing sounding noises about cobalt>

> Very very sad.
> CObalt RQ's are so simple to adminster.
> 
> I guess perhaps I should go for a normal based Linux OS server???
> Any help from all of you will be much appreciated.
> 
> Is there no hope with the Raq3?

Sorry if I sounded really down on the RaQ. I'm no Unix guru and I got
mailman working ok - The web-admin still works perfectly well just as it
did before.

The choice is quite straight-forward:

1. If you want a box that's primarily a list-server, with no customer
   web-sites hosted. There is absolutely no reason to go for a RaQ. No
   'configuration wizard' is going to help you there.

2. If on the other hand, you want to host a number of 'virtual domains'
   for lots of different customers (and let them get on with it without
   bothering you) with mailman list-serving as a secondary function - a RaQ
   is still a viable option (if you like that sort of thing).

Bruno
-- 
http://bruno.postle.net/
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From csmith at amicus.com  Tue May  2 22:39:43 2000
From: csmith at amicus.com (Clif J. Smith)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:39:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to access or change the Admin password?
Message-ID: <390F3D0F.BF033E89@bigfoot.com>

I'm the new administrator who's never used mailman before and the
previous admins who have - quit.

No one know's the admin password, is there a way I can change it or find
out what it is.  Is it as simple as changing the UNIX user mailman's
password?

Thanks, Clif

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Clif J. Smith
cjs226w at bigfoot.com
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From mediadyne at hol.gr  Wed May  3 02:11:27 2000
From: mediadyne at hol.gr (Alexander)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 03:11:27 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman on a RaQ
In-Reply-To: <20000502184213.C15217@postle.net>
References: <p04310105b5324b0b9c9b@[195.97.3.170]>
 <20000501115811.A14132@postle.net> <p04310104b53396f9e4cf@[195.97.7.102]>
 <20000502184213.C15217@postle.net>
Message-ID: <p04310101b5351ea5b6cc@[195.97.7.30]>

>
>
>Sorry if I sounded really down on the RaQ. I'm no Unix guru and I got
>mailman working ok - The web-admin still works perfectly well just as it
>did before.
>
>The choice is quite straight-forward:
>
>1. If you want a box that's primarily a list-server, with no customer
>    web-sites hosted. There is absolutely no reason to go for a RaQ. No
>    'configuration wizard' is going to help you there.
>
>2. If on the other hand, you want to host a number of 'virtual domains'
>    for lots of different customers (and let them get on with it without
>    bothering you) with mailman list-serving as a secondary function - a RaQ
>    is still a viable option (if you like that sort of thing).
>
>Bruno

Thanks Bruno.

I definitely belong in the 2nd category.
What would be involved in configuring a Raq3 to use Python and Mailman?
Obviously, I can't Telnet to the Raq because it violates the 
warrantee, but maybe its worth the effort.
I really dont want to get stuck with Majordomo.



From claw at cp.net  Wed May  3 02:35:03 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:35:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating aliases file. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Gerhard Gonter <gonter@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at> 
   of "Tue, 02 May 2000 15:28:11 +0200." <200005021328.PAA32574@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at> 
References: <200005021328.PAA32574@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at> 
Message-ID: <E12mn8X-0005Ot-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Tue, 2 May 2000 15:28:11 +0200 (MES) 
Gerhard Gonter <gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at> wrote:

> According to Krist van Besien:
>> When you create a new list using newlist the /etc/aliases file is
>> not automatically updated. I understand that this used to be done
>> in previous versions, but that the alias file update is currently
>> broken.

> I don't think this is "broken", it's simply not done any more
> because it's not necessarily a good idea for everyone.  Some
> sites, do not use /etc/aliases or have completely different
> requirements.  E.g. we are updating our aliases from a central
> database.

Outside of the problems with various formats of alias files,
requirements to run newaliases or not, widely variant desired
locations of said alias files, etc which make writing an actual
portable and correct tool difficult (yes, and RC file would handle,
and would also be overkill) there are also quite a few of us who
simply don't have alias files, and therefore don't have anything
that needs updating.  In my case my MTA (Exim) is configured as per
Nigel's HOWTO to look for the various directories and files
indicating that a list exists, and thereby generated all the
appropriate addresses and actions.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From armen at sci.am  Wed May  3 10:18:50 2000
From: armen at sci.am (Armen S. Minassian)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:18:50 +0400 (AMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailer error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005031207090.16106-100000@sci.am>

Hi guys, First I offer you my apollogies 
I am from Armenia and Thanks for your help.

I'm new in this mailing list and first time install mailman.
I'm creating new list (test), updating /etc/aliases file (run
newaliases).

When I sent mail to test-request at domain.com I get mail with message:

554 5.3.0 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown
mailer error 2

I'm using smrsh feature in sendmail.cf and creating simlink:

/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper -> /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper

What I forgot or don't know?

Thanx for advance
-- 
Regards,
Armen




From adam at canc.rpa.cs.nsw.gov.au  Wed May  3 09:31:29 2000
From: adam at canc.rpa.cs.nsw.gov.au (Addey O.S.E.)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:31:29 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving via email interface
Message-ID: <390FD559.AFD15873@canc.rpa.cs.nsw.gov.au>

I've been using MailMan for a few months now and it's great. The
archiving stuff is great too, with one exception. My mail daemon and
http daemon reside behind a firewall so my users beyond the firewall are
limited to the email based interface. I've sent a "help" command to my
list-request address and see no options for retrieving archived
messages. The convenience here is for late subscribers who want to
"catch up" on past messages.

I'm just wondering if there are in fact archive retrieval options in the
email based interface and just not documented in the generated "help"
email.

Cheers

--
Adam Armstrong
Network Manager
Sydney Cancer Centre
Ph: +61-2-9515-7682   Fax: +61-2-9519-1546
Email: adam at canc.rpa.cs.nsw.gov.au





From bruno at postle.net  Wed May  3 20:12:41 2000
From: bruno at postle.net (Bruno Postle)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:12:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman on a RaQ
In-Reply-To: <p04310101b5351ea5b6cc@[195.97.7.30]>; from mediadyne@hol.gr on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 03:11:27AM +0300
References: <p04310105b5324b0b9c9b@[195.97.3.170]> <20000501115811.A14132@postle.net> <p04310104b53396f9e4cf@[195.97.7.102]> <20000502184213.C15217@postle.net> <p04310101b5351ea5b6cc@[195.97.7.30]>
Message-ID: <20000503191240.B24695@postle.net>

On Wed 03-May-2000 at 03:11:27AM +0300, Alexander wrote:
> 
> What would be involved in configuring a Raq3 to use Python and Mailman?
> Obviously, I can't Telnet to the Raq because it violates the 
> warrantee, but maybe its worth the effort.

You only lose the warranty (whatever that's worth) if you alter 'system
files' as root. So there's no law against using your shell account, in
fact everybody should use a shell account.

The RaQ has Python pre-installed, I only upgraded to try Mailman 2. 

Installing (and running) Mailman needs root access anyway. Just install
it as per the instructions, add the mailman stuff to your <VirtualHost>
in httpd.conf and hope this doesn't cock up something elsewhere.

Bruno
-- 
http://bruno.postle.net/
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From drfrog at smartt.com  Thu May  4 19:09:54 2000
From: drfrog at smartt.com (Clayton Cottingham aka DrFrog)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:09:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help setting up mailman 2.0 beta2
Message-ID: <3911AEE2.8BABCB4E@smartt.com>

the mailman stuff works until a user tries to subscribe

im desperate to set it up, should i be using a older/stabler version?

here is the error out:

May  4 09:05:19 www sendmail[2831]: JAA02831:
from=<test-admin at www.virtual360.co
m>, size=1124, class=-60, pri=139124, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<200005041605.JAA02831 at www
.virtual360.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:www at localhost [127.0.0.1]
May  4 09:06:37 www sendmail[2842]: JAA02841:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper ma
ilcmd test", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown
mailer e
rror 2



From John at list.org  Thu May  4 21:36:27 2000
From: John at list.org (John Viega)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:36:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] www.list.org is down?
In-Reply-To: <p0431010cb53781c1f53e@[17.216.25.94]>; from Chuq Von Rospach on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 12:36:50PM -0700
References: <p0431010cb53781c1f53e@[17.216.25.94]>
Message-ID: <20000504123627.B8384@viega.org>

Yes.  We found out last night that we've recently been hacked.  We've
had to take down all services until we are fairly confident that we
know how the intruder got in, and that there are no more trojans lying
around.

John

On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 12:36:50PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> 
> I'm unable to connect to www.list.org. Is it down?
> 
> -- 
> Chuq Von Rospach, Apple Mail List Gnome
> (mailto:chuq at apple.com) + (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mailman-Developers mailing list
> Mailman-Developers at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers



From gstein at lyra.org  Thu May  4 21:43:36 2000
From: gstein at lyra.org (Greg Stein)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] www.list.org is down?
In-Reply-To: <20000504123627.B8384@viega.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005041242390.10712-100000@nebula.lyra.org>

Actually, the web server should have been up and running. Dunno why it
wasn't. I've restarted it.

FTP is also alive and well, so that people can get Mailman distributions.

We believe we know how the hacker got it, and that has been rectified.

Sorry for any inconvience,
-g


On Thu, 4 May 2000, John Viega wrote:
> Yes.  We found out last night that we've recently been hacked.  We've
> had to take down all services until we are fairly confident that we
> know how the intruder got in, and that there are no more trojans lying
> around.
> 
> John
> 
> On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 12:36:50PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> > 
> > I'm unable to connect to www.list.org. Is it down?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Chuq Von Rospach, Apple Mail List Gnome
> > (mailto:chuq at apple.com) + (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mailman-Developers mailing list
> > Mailman-Developers at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers
> 

-- 
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/




From Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU  Thu May  4 22:34:38 2000
From: Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU (Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:34:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with SSL and forms
Message-ID: <200005042034.OAA01140@ibg.colorado.edu>

I am setting up Mailman 1.1 and I am having some difficulty getting
the subscription page to work with SSL.  I believe I have Apache setup
correctly, I can access the page through my SSL server, and have a
REDIRECT permanent /mailman/ https://ibgwww.colorado.edu/mailman/
on the non-SSL server.

The problem is that the general listinfo page (/mailman/listinfo/test)
does not work correctly.  Anytime any form is submitted it comes back
with the "You must supply a valid email address.  You must supply a
valid password, and confirm it." response.  The problem seems to be
that the forms are setup like

<FORM Method=POST
ACTION="http://ibgwww.colorado.edu/mailman/subscribe/test">

despite the 

DEFAULT_URL       = 'https://ibgwww.colorado.edu/mailman'

line in mm_cfg.py.  The admin forms are setup as 

<FORM action="../../admin/test/members" method="POST">

which works correctly.

If I turn off redirect then the listinfo page works correctly, but
that defeats the purpose of using SSL, which is to force some security
on even naive users.

--
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Jeff Lessem.



From scott at emji.net  Thu May  4 22:51:10 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions
In-Reply-To: <1803081.3165926136@sdhcp5.emji.net>
Message-ID: <5654371.3166447870@sdhcp3.emji.net>

OK, switched to postfix and am now getting this error:
May  4 16:37:18 penguin postfix/local[6292]: A3EE02F01E: 
to=<overtons_html at mail.
overtonsonline.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died 
with sta
tus 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post

didn't see a README.POSTFIX.  any suggestions?

s

--On Friday, April 28, 2000 3:55 PM -0400 "Scott R. Every" <scott at emji.net> 
wrote:

> sorry, forgot to answer this...sendmail is runnign standalone.  i get too
> much mail traffic to use inetd.
>
> s
>
> --On Friday, April 28, 2000 3:47 PM -0400 Paul Tomblin
> <ptomblin at xcski.com> wrote:
>
>> Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at cp.net):
>>> Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should be runnign
>>> thru inetd for minimal startup time)
>>
>> Almost certainly *not*.  If you run it through inet, it has to start up
>> and parse its configuration files every single time it recieves an email.
>> If runing as a daemon, it's got the config files parsed already before
>> the mail even hits it.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
>> "The Americans have said ``Ni'' and they want their shubbery"
>>     - Harry Teasley predicts a Bush victory, 8Mar2000
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
>
> --
> Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
> EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
> voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



--
Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From scott at emji.net  Thu May  4 23:00:50 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:00:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions
In-Reply-To: <5654371.3166447870@sdhcp3.emji.net>
Message-ID: <5689252.3166448450@sdhcp3.emji.net>

to further elaborate after fixinf the GID error, I am now getting this 
error in the mailman/logs/smtp file:
May 04 16:53:38 2000 (8003) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')

I get 2 of these each time i post.

s

--On Thursday, May 4, 2000 4:51 PM -0400 "Scott R. Every" <scott at emji.net> 
wrote:

> OK, switched to postfix and am now getting this error:
> May  4 16:37:18 penguin postfix/local[6292]: A3EE02F01E:
> to=<overtons_html at mail. overtonsonline.com>, relay=local, delay=0,
> status=bounced (Command died with sta tus 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
> post
>
> didn't see a README.POSTFIX.  any suggestions?
>
> s
>
> --On Friday, April 28, 2000 3:55 PM -0400 "Scott R. Every"
> <scott at emji.net> wrote:
>
>> sorry, forgot to answer this...sendmail is runnign standalone.  i get too
>> much mail traffic to use inetd.
>>
>> s
>>
>> --On Friday, April 28, 2000 3:47 PM -0400 Paul Tomblin
>> <ptomblin at xcski.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at cp.net):
>>>> Is your MTA running as a daemon or thru inetd?  (should be runnign
>>>> thru inetd for minimal startup time)
>>>
>>> Almost certainly *not*.  If you run it through inet, it has to start up
>>> and parse its configuration files every single time it recieves an
>>> email. If runing as a daemon, it's got the config files parsed already
>>> before the mail even hits it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
>>> "The Americans have said ``Ni'' and they want their shubbery"
>>>     - Harry Teasley predicts a Bush victory, 8Mar2000
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
>> EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
>> voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
>
> --
> Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
> EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
> voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



--
Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From secabeen at pobox.com  Thu May  4 23:54:13 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:54:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with SSL and forms 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 04 May 2000 14:34:38 MDT."
             <200005042034.OAA01140@ibg.colorado.edu> 
Message-ID: <200005042154.QAA06155@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <200005042034.OAA01140 at ibg.colorado.edu>, Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colora
do.EDU writes:
>The problem is that the general listinfo page (/mailman/listinfo/test)
>does not work correctly.  Anytime any form is submitted it comes back
>with the "You must supply a valid email address.  You must supply a
>valid password, and confirm it." response.  The problem seems to be
>that the forms are setup like
>
><FORM Method=POST
>ACTION="http://ibgwww.colorado.edu/mailman/subscribe/test">
>despite the 
>DEFAULT_URL       = 'https://ibgwww.colorado.edu/mailman'
>
>line in mm_cfg.py.  The admin forms are setup as 

Almost all the settings in mm_cfg.py only apply to the defaults for a list 
when created.  If a list already exists and mm_cfg.py is changed, the change 
will not propagate.  You need to change the last two options on the general 
options page for each list.  (You should be able to automate this with 
withlist, but I don't know the keys off the top of my head).

--
Ted Cabeen           http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen         secabeen at pobox.com
Check Website or finger for PGP/GPG Public Key           secabeen at uchicago.edu
"I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon  secabeen at cabeen.org
"Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot        cabeen at netcom.com





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Fri May  5 00:44:16 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:44:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions
In-Reply-To: <5689252.3166448450@sdhcp3.emji.net>
References: <5654371.3166447870@sdhcp3.emji.net> <5689252.3166448450@sdhcp3.emji.net>
Message-ID: <20000504184416.A10683@xcski.com>

Quoting Scott R. Every (scott at emji.net):
> to further elaborate after fixinf the GID error, I am now getting this 
> error in the mailman/logs/smtp file:
> May 04 16:53:38 2000 (8003) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
> refused')

What does your mail log say?

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
We'll burn that bridge when we come to it.



From smead at amplepower.com  Fri May  5 01:34:59 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:34:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Final Test Bug?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005041630510.21137-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

This looks like a problem following the INSTALL instructions for Linux.
I ran bin/newlist in mailman-2.0beta2.  Should I have used an earlier more
stable version?

Enter the name of the list: test
Enter the email of the person running the list: smead at amplepower.com
Initial test password: 

Entry for aliases file:

## test mailing list
## created: 04-May-2000 mailman
test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

Hit enter to continue with test owner notification...

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/newlist", line 154, in ?
    main(sys.argv)
  File "bin/newlist", line 148, in main
    HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
DeliverToUser
    pipeline_delivery(mlist, msg, pipeline)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 37, in
pipeline_delivery
    func(mlist, msg)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py", line 37, in process
    toadmin = getattr(msg, 'toadmin', 0)
TypeError: getattr requires exactly 2 arguments; 3 given

Any help would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.




From scott at emji.net  Fri May  5 02:48:04 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions
In-Reply-To: <20000504184416.A10683@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <6509262.3166462084@sdhcp3.emji.net>

May  4 16:53:38 penguin postfix/local[7996]: 3C77D2F01E: 
to=<overtons_html at mail.
overtonsonline.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/home/mailman/mail/wra
pper post overtons_html")

or basically nothing...nothing in the syslog or other mailman logs.

s

--On Thursday, May 4, 2000 6:44 PM -0400 Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com> 
wrote:

> Quoting Scott R. Every (scott at emji.net):
>> to further elaborate after fixinf the GID error, I am now getting this
>> error in the mailman/logs/smtp file:
>> May 04 16:53:38 2000 (8003) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
>> refused')
>
> What does your mail log say?
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
> We'll burn that bridge when we come to it.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



--
Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU  Fri May  5 09:11:27 2000
From: Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU (Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU)
Date: 05 May 2000 01:11:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with SSL and forms
In-Reply-To: Ted Cabeen's message of "Thu, 04 May 2000 16:54:13 -0500"
References: <200005042154.QAA06155@entropy.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <xdfhfcdv5cw.fsf@foo.colorado.edu>

Ted Cabeen <secabeen at pobox.com> writes:

> Almost all the settings in mm_cfg.py only apply to the defaults for a list 
> when created.  If a list already exists and mm_cfg.py is changed, the change 
> will not propagate.  You need to change the last two options on the general 
> options page for each list.  (You should be able to automate this with 
> withlist, but I don't know the keys off the top of my head).

Thanks that did the trick.  After adding the list addresses into
sendmail.cE (to prevent rewrites) everything seems to be working.

-- 
Jeff Lessem.



From secabeen at pobox.com  Fri May  5 16:19:37 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:19:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Final Test Bug? 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 04 May 2000 16:34:59 PDT."
             <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005041630510.21137-100000@henry.amplepower.com> 
Message-ID: <200005051419.JAA13913@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005041630510.21137-100000 at henry.amplepower.com>, Da
vid Smead writes:
>This looks like a problem following the INSTALL instructions for Linux.
>I ran bin/newlist in mailman-2.0beta2.  Should I have used an earlier more
>stable version?
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py", line 37, in process
>    toadmin = getattr(msg, 'toadmin', 0)
>TypeError: getattr requires exactly 2 arguments; 3 given

Mailman 2.0 requires Python 1.5.2 or greater.  You're running 1.5.1 or less.

--
Ted Cabeen           http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen         secabeen at pobox.com
Check Website or finger for PGP/GPG Public Key           secabeen at uchicago.edu
"I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon  secabeen at cabeen.org
"Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot        cabeen at netcom.com





From tlyles at koz.com  Fri May  5 17:40:59 2000
From: tlyles at koz.com (Timothy Lyles)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 15:40:59 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is this, and please, help me fix it.
Message-ID: <20000505.15405900@tlyles.koz.com>

Hi all,

This has been flooding my mailbox for a couple of days now,
and I would really like to stop it. Any ideas?

         The delivery program "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post 
serviceoutage"
         produced the following output while delivering the message to
         serviceoutage at koz.com 
         
         
              250-Traceback (innermost last):


              250-  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?


              250-    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])


              250-  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, 
in __init__


              250-    self.Load()


              250-  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 
804, in Load


              250-    self.Lock()


              250-  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 
1373, in Lock


              250-    self.__lock.lock()


              250-  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 
245, in lock


              250-    os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)


              250-OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/home/mailman/locks/serviceoutage.lock.corp01.koz.com.2068'


         
         The program "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post serviceoutage"
         exited with an unknown value of 256 while delivering the
         message to serviceoutage at koz.com 






From dill at umbi.umd.edu  Fri May  5 22:04:07 2000
From: dill at umbi.umd.edu (Jonathan F. Dill)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:04:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] delete virus from archives?
Message-ID: <39132937.6E7BD41B@umbi.umd.edu>

Hello everybody,

Yesterday's e-mail worm got sent to some of our Mailman lists and now
it's in the message archives for those lists.  Because of the way the
archive messages are presented, I don't think you can "get" the virus by
checking out the archives, and obviously you would have to be pretty
dumb to copy the code from that page, save it to a file, and
deliberately make yourself infected, but I still would like to delete it
from the message archives.

Any hints or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
-- 
"Jonathan F. Dill" (dill at umbi.umd.edu)
CARB Systems and Network Administrator
Home Page:  http://www.umbi.umd.edu/~dill



From sahay at att.com  Fri May  5 22:19:16 2000
From: sahay at att.com (Sahay, Sumit)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:19:16 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regarding Mailman
Message-ID: <E5B80B001D76D211879C00E02910776102EE1F19@njc240po05.ho.att.com>


Rachel

Thanx for your reply earlier( I had already done set-gid for the hidden
files).

As of now ,in the installation sequence check_perms doesnot give any error.

I have set up a windows NT webserver ( 135.16.108.86/28 using IIS).Mailman
is on 135.16.108.83

I have configured a user root on the NT who can run the  CGI scripts( since
he is logged as root) . Also I have IIS configured for

a)default  website http://135.16.108.86/Paintings/mailman.jpg
b)scripts having redirection on the web server to
135.16.108.83/home/mailman/cgi-bin
c)mail having rediredtion to 135.16.108.83/home/mailman/archives/public
d)cgi-bin having redirection to 135.16.108.83/home/mailman/cgi-bin
e)images  ------------------------->
135.16.108.83/root/mailman/mailman-1.1/misc/mailman.jpg

Executing the admin script from the Internet explorer gives error I am
attaching with as a file.
Also please find attached the mail file in /var/spool/mail directory.

Request you all to send your advise. (We don't have apache & have to do
everything on the NT IIS).

Regds

sahay at ems.att.com
sumit_sahay at hotmail.com
732-420-6983

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<!-- saved from url=(0034)http://135.16.108.83/cgi-bin/admin -->
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Bug in Mailman version 1.1</TITLE>
<META content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY>
<H2>Bug in Mailman version 1.1</H2>
<P>
<H3>We're sorry, we hit a bug!</H3>
<P>If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. 
Thanks! 
<H4>Traceback:</H4>
<P><PRE>
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 59, in main
    FormatAdminOverview()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 192, in FormatAdminOverview
    l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info


</PRE>
<P>
<HR>

<H4>Environment variables:</H4>
<P>
<TABLE>
  <TBODY>
  <TR>
    <TD><STRONG>Variable</STRONG></TD>
    <TD><STRONG>Value</STRONG></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>DOCUMENT_ROOT </TD>
    <TD>/home/httpd/html </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING </TD>
    <TD>gzip, deflate </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>REMOTE_HOST </TD>
    <TD>135.16.108.86 </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>GATEWAY_INTERFACE </TD>
    <TD>CGI/1.1 </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>PATH </TD>
    <TD>/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>QUERY_STRING </TD>
    <TD></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>SCRIPT_FILENAME </TD>
    <TD>/home/httpd/cgi-bin/admin </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>SERVER_PORT </TD>
    <TD>80 </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>HTTP_HOST </TD>
    <TD>135.16.108.83 </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>REQUEST_METHOD </TD>
    <TD>GET </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>SCRIPT_NAME </TD>
    <TD>/cgi-bin/admin </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>SERVER_ADMIN </TD>
    <TD>root at localhost </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>SERVER_SOFTWARE </TD>
    <TD>Apache/1.2.6 Red Hat </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>REQUEST_URI </TD>
    <TD>/cgi-bin/admin </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>PYTHONPATH </TD>
    <TD>/home/mailman </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>REMOTE_ADDR </TD>
    <TD>135.16.108.86 </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>SERVER_NAME </TD>
    <TD>queens.qos.att.com </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>HTTP_CONNECTION </TD>
    <TD>Keep-Alive </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>HTTP_USER_AGENT </TD>
    <TD>Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>SERVER_PROTOCOL </TD>
    <TD>HTTP/1.1 </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>REMOTE_PORT </TD>
    <TD>1072 </TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD>HTTP_ACCEPT </TD>
    <TD>image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */* 
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P></BODY></HTML>

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[root at queens mail]# more ss
Return-Path: <root>
Received: (from root at localhost)
        by queens.qos.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA23455
        for root; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:45:02 -0400
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:45:02 -0400
Message-Id: <200005051945.PAA23455 at queens.qos.att.com>
From: root at queens.qos.att.com (Cron Daemon)
To: root at queens.qos.att.com
Subject: Cron <root at queens> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/root>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=root>
 
 
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:30:00 -0400
Message-Id: <200005051930.PAA23410 at queens.qos.att.com>
From: root at queens.qos.att.com (Cron Daemon)
To: root at queens.qos.att.com
Subject: Cron <root at queens> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/root>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=root>
 

 

From root at queens.qos.att.com  Fri May  5 21:35:01 2000
From: root at queens.qos.att.com (Cron Daemon)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:35:01 -0400
Subject: Cron <root@queens> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
Message-ID: <200005051935.PAA23414@queens.qos.att.com>


From root at queens.qos.att.com  Fri May  5 21:40:03 2000
From: root at queens.qos.att.com (Cron Daemon)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:40:03 -0400
Subject: Cron <root@queens> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
Message-ID: <200005051940.PAA23426@queens.qos.att.com>


From root at queens.qos.att.com  Fri May  5 21:42:02 2000
From: root at queens.qos.att.com (Cron Daemon)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:42:02 -0400
Subject: Cron <root@queens> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue
Message-ID: <200005051942.PAA23431@queens.qos.att.com>


From root at queens.qos.att.com  Fri May  5 21:45:02 2000
From: root at queens.qos.att.com (Cron Daemon)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:45:02 -0400
Subject: Cron <root@queens> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
Message-ID: <200005051945.PAA23455@queens.qos.att.com>

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From root at theporch.com  Sat May  6 15:12:39 2000
From: root at theporch.com (Phillip Porch)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:12:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] visibility of public lists
Message-ID: <Pine.SC5.4.21.0005060805480.11121-100000@sco.theporch.com>

I am running Mailman on the cvs image from today and just noticed a slight
problem. (version 2.0beta3)

I have several lists defined and 3 of them are publicly-advertised. If I
go to:

http://www.theporch.com:8080/mailman/listinfo

I only see one list as being pubicly-advertised (beer) but If I click on
the list-admin overview link, that page correctly shows the 3
publicly-advertised lists.

I went to the privacy options page for the lists that are not showing up
on the initial page and confirmed that Advertise this list when people ask
what lists are on this machine is set to yes and clicked submit to make
sure that the option was set but I still don't see the lists on the
initial listino page.

Any suggestions hints to make this work?

-- 
Phillip P. Porch <root at sco.theporch.com>  NIC:PP1573     finger for 
http://www.theporch.com  UTM - 16 514548E 3994397N          PGP key




From lee at n99.com  Sun May  7 13:31:08 2000
From: lee at n99.com (Lee Marzke)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 07:31:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] visibility of public lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SC5.4.21.0005060805480.11121-100000@sco.theporch.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000507072150.00a4a640@kronos>

It seems that after any changes to hnrc the
Admin pages get updated, but the listinfo page does not.

I changed my server name in hnrc and all the old info still shows
up in the listinfo page but not the admin page.

Anyone know how to get this page to update ?

Thanks,

Lee Marzke

At 08:12 AM 5/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I am running Mailman on the cvs image from today and just noticed a slight
>problem. (version 2.0beta3)
>
>I have several lists defined and 3 of them are publicly-advertised. If I
>go to:
>
>http://www.theporch.com:8080/mailman/listinfo
>
>I only see one list as being pubicly-advertised (beer) but If I click on
>the list-admin overview link, that page correctly shows the 3
>publicly-advertised lists.
>
>I went to the privacy options page for the lists that are not showing up
>on the initial page and confirmed that Advertise this list when people ask
>what lists are on this machine is set to yes and clicked submit to make
>sure that the option was set but I still don't see the lists on the
>initial listino page.
>
>Any suggestions hints to make this work?
>
>--
>Phillip P. Porch <root at sco.theporch.com>  NIC:PP1573     finger for
>http://www.theporch.com  UTM - 16 514548E 3994397N          PGP key
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Mannix9 at aol.com  Sun May  7 23:39:31 2000
From: Mannix9 at aol.com (Mannix9 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:39:31 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL und PalmV
Message-ID: <c5.51572e9.26473c93@aol.com>

Kann mir irgend jemand eine leichte und verst?ndliche Anleitung num Benutzen 
des Palm V mit Siemens S25 und AOL geben. Version 3.3 habe ich bereits 
runtergeladen.

Vielen, vielen Dank im voraus.

Mannix9 at aol.com



From brian at lab03.fhu.edu  Mon May  8 01:03:58 2000
From: brian at lab03.fhu.edu (Brian P. Clifford)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:03:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem with Linux 2.2.14 and Mailman 2.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <20000507220433.025991CD62@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005071759330.1081-100000@lab03.fhu.edu>

I am embarassed to have to ask this question, but have found no usable 
answer in the docs.

I am installing Mailman, have already added the mailman user and group,
but when I run the ./configure script, it tells me that no mailman user is
found and I should check the INSTALL file.

The answer is likely in the fact that I have no idea whether I am running
secure_linux and further that if I knew, I couldn't turn off restricted
hardlinks.

Any help?
Thanks,
Brian




From smead at amplepower.com  Mon May  8 00:24:35 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:24:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem with Linux 2.2.14 and
 Mailman 2.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005071759330.1081-100000@lab03.fhu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005071523160.9134-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Brian,

Have you added a user named mailman to your system?  You need to be root,
and run the useradd command.  That worked for me using RH6.1.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Sun, 7 May 2000, Brian P. Clifford wrote:

> I am embarassed to have to ask this question, but have found no usable 
> answer in the docs.
> 
> I am installing Mailman, have already added the mailman user and group,
> but when I run the ./configure script, it tells me that no mailman user is
> found and I should check the INSTALL file.
> 
> The answer is likely in the fact that I have no idea whether I am running
> secure_linux and further that if I knew, I couldn't turn off restricted
> hardlinks.
> 
> Any help?
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From smead at amplepower.com  Mon May  8 01:33:29 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:33:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply address for virtual server
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005071625250.10029-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Problem:  getting a reply address that gets back to the mailing list.

I'm running a webserver behind a firewall, using RH6.2, and Apache.  The
webserver is in the amplepower.com domain here.

I have Mailman running on the webserver, and have specified the default
URL to be msgbd.com, which is a domain routed into here and is being
virtual hosted on the webserver.

What can I put in mm_cfg.py for the default hostname?

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.




From smead at amplepower.com  Mon May  8 07:09:28 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:09:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem with Linux 2.2.14 and
 Mailman 2.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005071759330.1081-100000@lab03.fhu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005072208340.14847-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Brian,

Are you running ./configure as root?

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Sun, 7 May 2000, Brian P. Clifford wrote:

> I am embarassed to have to ask this question, but have found no usable 
> answer in the docs.
> 
> I am installing Mailman, have already added the mailman user and group,
> but when I run the ./configure script, it tells me that no mailman user is
> found and I should check the INSTALL file.
> 
> The answer is likely in the fact that I have no idea whether I am running
> secure_linux and further that if I knew, I couldn't turn off restricted
> hardlinks.
> 
> Any help?
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From psgood at petesinternet.net  Mon May  8 08:21:30 2000
From: psgood at petesinternet.net (Peter Good)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:21:30 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with a mailing list
Message-ID: <39165CEA.7435EE6B@petesinternet.net>

Hi, I think this may have been covered before, but I am running a list
of about 79 members. Every time I turn on Members post only, anyone
using a linux system has to get their email approved.

Now I've been thru the docs, and done what they say which is add

USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER=0 

to mm_cfg.py

but it hasn't made a bit of difference.
Any Hints?

Peter


--
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This made a lot of people very angry, and 
has been widely regarded as a bad idea.

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From tanya at move.com  Mon May  8 16:33:56 2000
From: tanya at move.com (Tanya Ruttenberg)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists embedded in aliases
Message-ID: <200005081433.HAA17529@barsoom.corp.move.com>

We have an "emergency" mail alias that forwards mail to 3 mailing lists.
When I sent mail to "emergency" I got mail back for each of the three lists
that said

   Your mail to 'Page-system' with the subject
   
       goin' for broke. this is a test.
   
   Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
   
   The reason it is being held:
   
       Message has implicit destination

(Page-system was replaced by the name of whichever list was replying)

Obviously this is not desirable for an alias like "emergency" where the mail
needs to hit all the lists immediately. I tried to find an option that would
turn this feature off for each of the lists, but didn't find anything. It
would be ok with me to disable this behavior altogether for our installation
of mailman if that is what's necessary to disable it for this particular
alias.

Can anyone suggest how I would go about disabling this?

Thanks in advance. By the way we are on mailman-2.0beta2 on Solaris 2.7.

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Tanya Ruttenberg  *** System Administrator *** www.move.com 
             tanya at move.com   ***   tdr at toad.net










From omega at palle.net  Mon May  8 17:28:15 2000
From: omega at palle.net (Andreas Marienborg)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:28:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists embedded in aliases
In-Reply-To: <200005081433.HAA17529@barsoom.corp.move.com>
Message-ID: <000001bfb902$08531900$0401a8c0@lappie>

if you look at the admin pages for your lists, you shall
find several options that might solve your problem...

1) you can turn of the "nedd autorization" thing..
	i can't remember the exact name, but that should
	be no problem finding if you look around the admin
	pages.

2) you can add the email addresses of people allowed to send to the lists
	mailman has the option of allowing mail from specific addresses
	to pass trough the moderator request things..it to can be adjusted
	from the admin pages for the lists in question

hope this helps

Andreas


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Tanya Ruttenberg
Sent: 8. mai 2000 16:34
To: mailman-users at python.org
Cc: tanya at move.com
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists embedded in aliases


We have an "emergency" mail alias that forwards mail to 3 mailing lists.
When I sent mail to "emergency" I got mail back for each of the three lists
that said

   Your mail to 'Page-system' with the subject

       goin' for broke. this is a test.

   Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

   The reason it is being held:

       Message has implicit destination

(Page-system was replaced by the name of whichever list was replying)

Obviously this is not desirable for an alias like "emergency" where the mail
needs to hit all the lists immediately. I tried to find an option that would
turn this feature off for each of the lists, but didn't find anything. It
would be ok with me to disable this behavior altogether for our installation
of mailman if that is what's necessary to disable it for this particular
alias.

Can anyone suggest how I would go about disabling this?

Thanks in advance. By the way we are on mailman-2.0beta2 on Solaris 2.7.

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Tanya Ruttenberg  *** System Administrator *** www.move.com
             tanya at move.com   ***   tdr at toad.net








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http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dave at TS  Mon May  8 20:33:21 2000
From: Dave at TS (Dave at TS)
Date: 08 May 2000 12:33:21 MDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] limitations
Message-ID: <20000508153458.934C31CDA8@dinsdale.python.org>

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From brian at lab03.fhu.edu  Mon May  8 18:40:08 2000
From: brian at lab03.fhu.edu (Brian P. Clifford)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:40:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem with Linux 2.2.14 and
 Mailman 2.0beta2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005071523160.9134-100000@henry.amplepower.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005081139130.2253-100000@lab03.fhu.edu>

Yes.  I added the user mailman as root.  I have also tried using the
./configure as both root and as mailman.  Still no luck.  :(

-Brian


On Sun, 7 May 2000, David Smead wrote:

> Brian,
> 
> Have you added a user named mailman to your system?  You need to be root,
> and run the useradd command.  That worked for me using RH6.1.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> David Smead
> http://www.amplepower.com.
> http://www.ampletech.com.
> 
> On Sun, 7 May 2000, Brian P. Clifford wrote:
> 
> > I am embarassed to have to ask this question, but have found no usable 
> > answer in the docs.
> > 
> > I am installing Mailman, have already added the mailman user and group,
> > but when I run the ./configure script, it tells me that no mailman user is
> > found and I should check the INSTALL file.
> > 
> > The answer is likely in the fact that I have no idea whether I am running
> > secure_linux and further that if I knew, I couldn't turn off restricted
> > hardlinks.
> > 
> > Any help?
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 




From th at nextra.com  Mon May  8 19:52:46 2000
From: th at nextra.com (Tor Houghton)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:52:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in removing From: lines from posted messages?
Message-ID: <20000508195245.M8496@nextra.com>

Hi,

I was experimenting with the "remove From: ... bla bla" from posting (for
anonymous lists), and found that this works great with Pine, but not so
great with Mutt.

It seems that Mutt does the following:

>From test-admin at lollipop.nextra.com Mon May 08 19:46:03 2000
>From th  Mon May  8 19:46:04 2000
Envelope-to: th at nextra.com

While when I sent the email with Pine, the correct behaviour occurred,
leaving no username in the header.

XXX are used in place of real data to protect the innocent.

How come?

I am using Mailman v1.0.

Best regards,

Tor



From th at nextra.com  Mon May  8 20:01:14 2000
From: th at nextra.com (Tor Houghton)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:01:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in removing From: lines from posted messages?
In-Reply-To: <20000508195245.M8496@nextra.com>; from th@nextra.com on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:52:46PM +0200
References: <20000508195245.M8496@nextra.com>
Message-ID: <20000508200114.O8486@nextra.com>

And it seems this is not the only problem, I had a little closer look, and
the following was found in the header:

(w/pine:)

Received: from foo ([1.2.3.4] ident=th)
        by foo.nextra.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #3)
        id 12ora2-0001As-00
        for ic at lollipop; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:44:30 +0200

And/or

(w/mutt:)

Received: from th by foo.nextra.com with local (Exim 2.05 #3)
        id 12orbR-0004m5-00
        for ic at lollippop; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:45:57 +0200


Any chance of a patch to just remove such lines?

I also found that, regarding the information below, other people on the list
did not receive the ">From username" line. It seemed only the sender got it.

Tor

* Tor Houghton (Mon, May 08, 2000 at 07:52:46PM +0200)

> Hi,
> 
> I was experimenting with the "remove From: ... bla bla" from posting (for
> anonymous lists), and found that this works great with Pine, but not so
> great with Mutt.
> 
> It seems that Mutt does the following:
> 
> >From test-admin at lollipop.nextra.com Mon May 08 19:46:03 2000
> >From th  Mon May  8 19:46:04 2000
> Envelope-to: th at nextra.com
> 
> While when I sent the email with Pine, the correct behaviour occurred,
> leaving no username in the header.
> 
> XXX are used in place of real data to protect the innocent.
> 
> How come?
> 
> I am using Mailman v1.0.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Tor
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From sfarber at copper.net  Mon May  8 21:18:00 2000
From: sfarber at copper.net (BCSi)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:18:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Issue
Message-ID: <391712E8.6FD99AC9@copper.net>

I am completely new to Python and have the added distinction of being a
listserver newbie as well.  Please bear with me.

I have been working with the INSTALL instructions for Mailman, NOT THE
BETA, and immediately ran across the piece about creating a directory
called $PREFIX. It struck me as wrong, but I tried it and, of course,
Linux thinks it is a shell programming variable.  I am hesitating
because I cannot afford to screw-up my server.

How can I proceed and get a correct result.

Yours in frustration,

Steve Farber
BCSi



From Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU  Tue May  9 01:47:52 2000
From: Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU (Jeff.Lessem+mailman at Colorado.EDU)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:47:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A meta-list (or list of lists)
Message-ID: <200005082347.RAA13548@ibg.colorado.edu>

I would like to make a list which sends e-mail to other lists:

A-list:		"|.../wrapper post A-list"
B-list:		"|.../wrapper post B-list"
E-list:		"|.../wrapper post C-list"
alphabet-lists: A-list,B-list,C-list

As can be seen, this is easy enough to put together in the sendmail
aliases file.  Is this the Mailman recommended method of creating such
list of lists, or is there a preferred alternative?

More importantly, these lists are setup to only allow member postings,
is there a way to allow people on A, B, or C to post to A, B, or C
without putting everybody's e-mail address in the "without implicit
approval" section for each list?

If it makes any difference, the lists are exclusive---each person is
only on one list.

--
Many thanks,
Jeff Lessem.



From claw at cp.net  Tue May  9 01:57:24 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:57:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Issue 
In-Reply-To: Message from BCSi <sfarber@copper.net> 
   of "Mon, 08 May 2000 19:18:00 -0000." <391712E8.6FD99AC9@copper.net> 
References: <391712E8.6FD99AC9@copper.net> 
Message-ID: <E12oxPP-0007fL-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Mon, 08 May 2000 19:18:00 +0000 
BCSi  <sfarber at copper.net> wrote:

> I have been working with the INSTALL instructions for Mailman, NOT
> THE BETA, and immediately ran across the piece about creating a
> directory called $PREFIX. It struck me as wrong, but I tried it
> and, of course, Linux thinks it is a shell programming variable.
> I am hesitating because I cannot afford to screw-up my server.

This is a common shorthand for much Unix software, especially for
programs that use autoconf/configure to configure themselves when
building from sources (autoconf and configure are tools that help
adapt and configure a program and its source code to the local
system so that it will build and run properly).

Mailman doesn't care what directory you use, or where it is, just
that it knows where it is and has the correct permissions.  You just
need to create and or pick one.  $PREFIX is just a shorthand "tag"
for that directory, whatever it is.  Why $PREFIX?  That's the
environment variable that configure uses internally for the base
install directory...

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From smead at amplepower.com  Tue May  9 02:30:51 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:30:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Issue
In-Reply-To: <391712E8.6FD99AC9@copper.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005081725270.29876-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Steve,

Don't take it literally.  The directory you need to create is the one
where mailman resides.  On a Linux system, this will typically be
/home/mailman.

I still have some sendmail issues, but otherwise, it was pretty easy to
get Mailman installed.  After creating /home/mailman, I went to that
directory and made a subdir named src.  In that I put the tarball and did
the install from there.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Mon, 8 May 2000, BCSi wrote:

> I am completely new to Python and have the added distinction of being a
> listserver newbie as well.  Please bear with me.
> 
> I have been working with the INSTALL instructions for Mailman, NOT THE
> BETA, and immediately ran across the piece about creating a directory
> called $PREFIX. It struck me as wrong, but I tried it and, of course,
> Linux thinks it is a shell programming variable.  I am hesitating
> because I cannot afford to screw-up my server.
> 
> How can I proceed and get a correct result.
> 
> Yours in frustration,
> 
> Steve Farber
> BCSi
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From claw at cp.net  Tue May  9 02:37:27 2000
From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:37:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Issue 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Smead <smead@amplepower.com> 
   of "Mon, 08 May 2000 17:30:51 PDT." <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005081725270.29876-100000@henry.amplepower.com> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005081725270.29876-100000@henry.amplepower.com> 
Message-ID: <E12oy29-0007kQ-00@under.eng.cp.net>

On Mon, 8 May 2000 17:30:51 -0700 (PDT) 
David Smead <smead at amplepower.com> wrote:

> On a Linux system, this will typically be /home/mailman.

This is a dangerous assumption based on the same (arguably ill
advised) precepts that sadly gave us /home/httpd and co.  For me
$PREFIX ends up being /var/lib as that seems the most sensical given
the purpose of the directory heirarchy and the FHS.

-- 
J C Lawrence                              Internet: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                            Internet: coder at kanga.nu
...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith...



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue May  9 05:09:22 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:09:22 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Issue 
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F8088@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at cp.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:37 PM
> To: David Smead
> Cc: BCSi; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation Issue 
> 
> On Mon, 8 May 2000 17:30:51 -0700 (PDT) 
> David Smead <smead at amplepower.com> wrote:
> 
> > On a Linux system, this will typically be /home/mailman.
> 
> This is a dangerous assumption based on the same (arguably ill
> advised) precepts that sadly gave us /home/httpd and co.  For me
> $PREFIX ends up being /var/lib as that seems the most sensical given
> the purpose of the directory heirarchy and the FHS.

Maybe this doesn't belong on this list, but what's the motivation behind
installing all of mailman into it's own heirarchy?  I'd think that it would
be much more "FHS Compliant" to break things up and put them throughout the
filesystem where they "belong".  Any decent package management system should
be able to keep track of where files are installed, and that's the only good
motivation that I can think of for putting mailman on its own.
	Greg



From scott at emji.net  Tue May  9 08:22:06 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 02:22:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of post questions
In-Reply-To: <6509262.3166462084@sdhcp3.emji.net>
Message-ID: <3996840.3166827726@sdhcp4.emji.net>

still getting the following for every email that tries to get through 
mailman's wrapper program:
May 09 02:12:55 2000 (24811) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')


i have verified that i can send and receive mail using postfix.  i've also 
re-installed both postfix and mailman, but i still get the same error.

any ideas

tia

s

--On Thursday, May 4, 2000 8:48 PM -0400 "Scott R. Every" <scott at emji.net> 
wrote:

> May  4 16:53:38 penguin postfix/local[7996]: 3C77D2F01E:
> to=<overtons_html at mail. overtonsonline.com>, relay=local, delay=0,
> status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wra pper post overtons_html")
>
> or basically nothing...nothing in the syslog or other mailman logs.
>
> s
>
> --On Thursday, May 4, 2000 6:44 PM -0400 Paul Tomblin
> <ptomblin at xcski.com> wrote:
>
>> Quoting Scott R. Every (scott at emji.net):
>>> to further elaborate after fixinf the GID error, I am now getting this
>>> error in the mailman/logs/smtp file:
>>> May 04 16:53:38 2000 (8003) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
>>> refused')
>>
>> What does your mail log say?
>>
>> --
>> Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
>> We'll burn that bridge when we come to it.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
>
> --
> Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
> EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
> voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



--
Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net
EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Tue May  9 14:22:02 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:22:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Issue 
In-Reply-To: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F8088@email.cu-portland.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005090820590.5626-100000@localhost.localdomain>

> Maybe this doesn't belong on this list, but what's the motivation behind
> installing all of mailman into it's own heirarchy?  I'd think that it would
> be much more "FHS Compliant" to break things up and put them throughout the
> filesystem where they "belong".  Any decent package management system should
> be able to keep track of where files are installed, and that's the only good
> motivation that I can think of for putting mailman on its own.

I'd like to second this statement.
fhs compliance would be a plus - or at least ease of configuration to fhs
compliance. It would make rpm and deb building MUCH easier.
instead of symlinking everywhere.

-sv





From rm at clara.net  Tue May  9 15:47:09 2000
From: rm at clara.net (Russell Mein)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:47:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with Mail Man
Message-ID: <OMEELCKMICLBGLGECDMKGEAFCAAA.rm@clara.net>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can help me with a problem i am suffering with to
do with mail man
i have followed the said documentation and also checked for configuration on
www.exim.org to do
with exim & mailman.

The problem occurs when i subscribe to a list (in this case test) i get he
mail back with the confirmation
code i reply to the mail address and in the body is just confirm <number>
then i receive nothing. I checked the exim_mainlog and get this error.

2000-05-09 14:21:17 12p9wr-000HT6-00 ** |/usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcmd test <test-request at dare.deathace.net> D=system_
aliases T=address_pipe: Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2
from command: /usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper

i have checked the logs directory in the $prefix dir
/usr/local/etc/mailman/logs and can find nothing
relevant to this error in there either.

i have checked permissions and all other relevant parts of the installation
and they all seem fine
could someone please tell me what i am doing wrong.

<system info>
FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE
Exim 3.13
Python 1.5.2
Mailman 2.0 Beta 2

here is what is in the /etc/aliases file created by the script
$prefix/bin/newlist

## test mailing list
## created: 09-May-2000 mailman
test:                    "|/usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
test"
test-request:            "|/usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

If there is any other information you need please mail me
<russ at deathace.net>


Regards
--
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From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue May  9 15:58:42 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:58:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with Mail Man 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Russell Mein" <rm@clara.net> 
   of "Tue, 09 May 2000 14:47:09 BST." <OMEELCKMICLBGLGECDMKGEAFCAAA.rm@clara.net> 
Message-ID: <E12pAX4-0005df-00@rioja.localnet>

rm at clara.net said:
> 2000-05-09 14:21:17 12p9wr-000HT6-00 ** |/usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/
> wrapper mailcmd test <test-request at dare.deathace.net> D=system_
> aliases T=address_pipe: Child process of address_pipe transport
> returned 2 from command: /usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper 

Almost certainly a permissions problem...
specificially you are running the mailman wrapper from the 
system_aliases director - this probably is not setting the correct user 
id.

[BTW you confused me by saying you were using the mailman config 
described on the exim site - http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html - 
you are not using that config or if you are then you have some entries 
in your aliases file which are masking the list config entries]

	Nigel.
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From brian at lab03.fhu.edu  Tue May  9 18:31:41 2000
From: brian at lab03.fhu.edu (Brian P. Clifford)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:31:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still having installation problems
In-Reply-To: <E12pAX4-0005df-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005091128140.1097-100000@lab03.fhu.edu>

I am using Slackware 7.0 (2.2.13) and am still having problems with
Mailman installation.  I have created the user mailman and am trying to
install with that account.  The ./configure command starts through the
process and aborts telling me that the user mailman needs to be created in
the /etc/passwd file.  It is there.

My problem is probably that I don't know how to turn secure_linux off.

Any help?
Thanks,
Brian





From mmc at mail.cybermesa.com  Tue May  9 22:19:06 2000
From: mmc at mail.cybermesa.com (mmc at mail.cybermesa.com)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:19:06 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMail and Mailman -- error
Message-ID: <200005092019.OAA08608@mail.cybermesa.com>

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From wizards at wizdev.net  Tue May  9 23:03:48 2000
From: wizards at wizdev.net (Mark Jaffe)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:03:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman configuration errors
In-Reply-To: <200005092019.OAA08608@mail.cybermesa.com>
References: <200005092019.OAA08608@mail.cybermesa.com>
Message-ID: <p04310101b53e2ca89951@[10.3.50.132]>

Hi, all. I am new to the list, just installed on a RedHat 6.1 system. 
I am not able to get the list Web pages working properly. The 
hostname is dog1.esprinkles.com, and I am serving a number of 
VirtualHosts with Apache. The Mailman conf files say the hostname is 
dog1.esprinkles.com, but in reality, when you try to access that host 
on the Web it comes up as not found. I tried editing the Defaults.py 
and mm_cfg.py in the Mailman directory so they had a reachable 
hostname, www.esprinkles.com, but that had no effect.

Mark
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From oarmas at mps.com.mx  Wed May 10 01:13:04 2000
From: oarmas at mps.com.mx (Omar Armas Aleman)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:13:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005091809090.7234-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>

I want to add members to a list manually. Is there a way to do it in a
single line with add_members? (without using a file as parameter, but a
mail address)


Omar





From otaylor at redhat.com  Wed May 10 02:45:35 2000
From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor)
Date: 09 May 2000 20:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
In-Reply-To: Omar Armas Aleman's message of "Tue, 9 May 2000 18:13:04 -0500 (CDT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005091809090.7234-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>
Message-ID: <ybed7mv1bdc.fsf@fresnel.labs.redhat.com>

Omar Armas Aleman <oarmas at mps.com.mx> writes:

> I want to add members to a list manually. Is there a way to do it in a
> single line with add_members? (without using a file as parameter, but a
> mail address)

echo "adddress at foo.bar" | add_members -n - 

Should work. (Going by memory)

Regards,
                                        Owen



From oarmas at mps.com.mx  Wed May 10 03:12:05 2000
From: oarmas at mps.com.mx (Omar Armas Aleman)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:12:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
In-Reply-To: <ybed7mv1bdc.fsf@fresnel.labs.redhat.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005092010510.8870-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>

> > I want to add members to a list manually. Is there a way to do it in a
> > single line with add_members? (without using a file as parameter, but a
> > mail address)
> 
> echo "adddress at foo.bar" | add_members -n - 
> 

That's what i did, but doesn't work for me.


Omar




From andy at arch.usyd.EDU.AU  Wed May 10 03:43:03 2000
From: andy at arch.usyd.EDU.AU (Andrew Winter)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:43:03 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: <20000307000617.A2728@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>
Message-ID: <v03110736b53e5e16ca44@[129.78.92.20]>

Hi....
I'm trying to set up some umbrella / cascading lists.

I had no luck under mailman 1.1, so i recently upgraded mailman to 2.0b2.

what i really want is to set up secured cascading lists, so that a member
of one of the lists can mail to all of the lists, without moderation, but
external people cannot mail to the lists without moderation.

we have a tree -

					allstaff
	General			Academic		dept1		dept2
     d1gen  d2gen   	      d1ac   d2ac	     d1gen d1ac    d2gen d2ac

I would like a member of d1gen to mail allstaff w/o moderation, or to mail
academic or general (or dept1 or dept2) w/o moderation


a member of allstaff is the general_staff list (no 'real' members)
a member of general_staff is the d1gen list (no 'real' members)

allstaff is set up as members only

general is set up as members only, plus allstaff at arch.usyd.edu.au
also alias names set up to include allstaff (list above) and d1gen, d2gen
(lists below)

A member of d1gen mails d1gen - the msg goes thru fine.
A member of d1gen mails general - requiresapproval
A member of d1gen mails allstaff - requires approval by allstaff moderator,
when approved requires subsequent aproval of general moderator.

any ideas on how i can set mailman up so that the tree allows any member
anywhere in the tree to mail any other branch of the tree without
moderation, but people who do not appear on the tree require moderation.

my current test (to minimise configs) is for a member of d1gen to mail
general. I'm getting 'Post by non-member to a members-only list' messages.
I've tried changing the general mailing list to "Send password reminders
to, eg, "-owner" address instead of directly to user" (which as the admin
docs say is the umbrella flag in mailman), but this hasnt helped.

I tried setting general to unmoderated and d1gen to moderated.
someone on d1gen mails d1gen and it goes thru.
someone on d1gen mails general and it requires moderation.

Any advice appreciated
(at the moment it's time to unmoderate the lists)

Andrew

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From gabriele.brugnoni at esrin.esa.it  Wed May 10 14:11:19 2000
From: gabriele.brugnoni at esrin.esa.it (Gabriele Brugnoni)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:11:19 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages progressive number
Message-ID: <391951E7.C515E756@esrin.esa.it>

How to set up a progressive numbering for the messages sent to a mailman list?

regards
Gabriele



From fil at bok.net  Wed May 10 16:23:05 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:23:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a bug !
Message-ID: <20000510162305.A30103@orwell.bok.net>

just from the latest snapshot

to=<vu-request at atlas.bok.net>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (Command
died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd vu". Command
output: Traceback (innermost last):   File
"/var/lib/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 74, in ?     main() TypeError: not
enough arguments; expected 1, got 0 )  




From fil at bok.net  Wed May 10 16:41:42 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:41:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a bug !
In-Reply-To: <20000510162305.A30103@orwell.bok.net>; from fil@bok.net on Wed, May 10, 2000 at 04:23:05PM +0200
References: <20000510162305.A30103@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <20000510164142.E30103@orwell.bok.net>

Looks like this fixes the problem:

    diff scripts/mailcmd~ scripts/mailcmd
    74c74
    <     main()
    ---
    >     main(sys.argv) 

however, then a secondary problem appears with the confirmation mail sent to
the owner. So my fix must be wrong.

 to=<vu-admin at atlas.bok.net>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (Command
died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner vu". Command
output: Traceback (innermost last):   File
"/var/lib/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 89, in ?     main()   File
"/var/lib/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 79, in main     enqueue =
HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg, msgdata)   File
"/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 146, in
DeliverToUser     msgdata = {'pipeline' : pipeline, AttributeError: recips )



> just from the latest snapshot
> 
> to=<vu-request at atlas.bok.net>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (Command
> died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd vu". Command
> output: Traceback (innermost last):   File
> "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 74, in ?     main() TypeError: not
> enough arguments; expected 1, got 0 )  



From sgibson at digitalimpact.com  Wed May 10 23:59:50 2000
From: sgibson at digitalimpact.com (Shane Y. Gibson)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:59:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customize "listinfo" HTML
Message-ID: <3919DBD6.34945C9F@digitalimpact.com>

Hello,

I've figured out how to customize the listinfo/listname HTML for
individual
lists.  However, I wish to customize the generic listinfo frontpage, and
have not been able to figure it out. 

I tracked the cgi-bin/listinfo program down, and still am unable to
determine
where the HTML is generated from for that page.  I did customize the 
templates/*.html files, and that doesn't seem to do it.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

v/r
Shane

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From wanted at debian.mwd.com.pl  Thu May 11 00:23:00 2000
From: wanted at debian.mwd.com.pl (Marcin Sochacki)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:23:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005092010510.8870-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>; from oarmas@mps.com.mx on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 08:12:05PM -0500
References: <ybed7mv1bdc.fsf@fresnel.labs.redhat.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005092010510.8870-100000@linux.mpsnet.com.mx>
Message-ID: <20000511002300.A3284@debian.mwd.com.pl>

On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 08:12:05PM -0500, Omar Armas Aleman wrote:
> 
> > > I want to add members to a list manually. Is there a way to do it in a
> > > single line with add_members? (without using a file as parameter, but a
> > > mail address)
> > 
> > echo "adddress at foo.bar" | add_members -n - 
> > 
> 
> That's what i did, but doesn't work for me.

To be exact it should read:

echo "login at example.com" | add_members -n - list_name

Execute this command with root or mailman's user rights.

Marcin Sochacki



From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Thu May 11 01:54:57 2000
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:54:57 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] imap_delete problem
Message-ID: <3919F6D1.3E0E2633@linux.org.uy>

I have IMP full working long time, but yesterday I needed to migrate to
a new server.

Now all work, but when I try to delete a message I receive the following
warnings:

	Warning: Wrong parameter count for imap_delete() in
	/usr/local/httpd/horde/imp/mailbox.php3 on line 103

	Warning: Oops, php3_SetCookie called after header has 
	been sent in ./lib/imp.lib on line 204

and the message remains without delete. (no trash icon is showed).

The difference is that in my previous server I have all configuration
under http and now I installed IMP under https.

Can anybody give me any help?


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From ken at holcatw.com  Thu May 11 05:15:47 2000
From: ken at holcatw.com (Ken Walker)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:15:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Case Problem going to Digest mode
Message-ID: <NDBBJENIILFMJEGNADCAGECLCAAA.ken@holcatw.com>

Hello,

	I was running version 1.00 of Mailman and when my users switched into
digest mode from regular mode, they would loose the case sensitivity of
their name, ESPECIALLY users from aol.com.

	for example a typical user name might be Money4U at aol.com and when they
would switch to digest, there name would become money4u at aol.com and the
messages wouldn't be delivered any more because the name is case sensitive.

	I have upgraded to Mailman 2.0b2 and I am still having the same trouble.

	Can anyone suggest a fix for this? My users are getting pretty crabby that
their not getting there digests.

Thanks!
Ken (*:
ken at holcatw.com




From forrie at forrie.com  Thu May 11 16:28:06 2000
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creation of closed, announce-only (one way) lists
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000511102514.00d13810@216.67.12.69>

I need to create several lists that are to be used for maintenance 
announcements (customers) only.  Where the list would have a membership, 
but where nobody but the moderator can post to it.   And closed in all 
other ways.

I've seen other people set up project-announce lists where replies get 
posted to everyone.  I suppose one can just make it a moderated list and 
then have all submissions go to the moderator in the simplest case.
???

Is there a way to accomplish this with mailman?

I also am concerned about the public having access to the mailman 
program... I suppose that can be restricted at the MTA level with a few 
sendmail rules, based upon the IP network you're sending from.


TIA




From melissa.ng at amd.com  Thu May 11 16:54:26 2000
From: melissa.ng at amd.com (Melissa G. Ng)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:54:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems accessing "<server>/mailman/listinfo"
Message-ID: <20000511095426.A11885@hendrix.amd.com>

Hello:

When trying to access "<server>/mailman/listinfo", I get:

Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/user/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/user/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 40, in main
    FormatListinfoOverview()
  File "/user/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 88, in FormatListinfoOverview
    l = MailList.MailList(n, lock = 0)
  File "/user/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/user/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 812, in Load
    dict = marshal.load(file)
MemoryError: 

I can get to the "listinfo" page for the individual lists, but not for the master listinfo page.  Can someone shed some light on this?

Thanks
-- 
Melissa G. Ng
Systems Engineer
512.602.4111



From fil at bok.net  Thu May 11 17:53:01 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:53:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] big list, postfix, SMTPDirect fails
Message-ID: <20000511175301.A12526@orwell.bok.net>

Unfortunately my mailman/postfix install does not function properly for big
lists. The file in postfix/incoming is cut in the middle at the same very
precise point (in bytes) each time.

-rw-------   1 postfix  postfix     40960 May 11 17:40 incoming/9414BD90B2

The file is not even cut in between two addresses, but rather in the middle
of an address.

the logs/debug is stuck at:
May 11 17:46:30 2000 (11972) starting SMTPDirect

/var/log/mail.info does not know of it -- postfix waits for
command_time_limit to realise that the process is dead.


Anyone has a hint?



From serge at bnsi.net  Thu May 11 18:32:17 2000
From: serge at bnsi.net (Serge Egelman)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:32:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archiving errors
Message-ID: <391AE091.8EC5E97C@bnsi.net>

Hi,
    I've been running Mailman for a while, and it now randomly stops
archiving different lists that I host.  I can't figure out why it's
doing this.  There are messages in the error log, but I don't really
know much Python to understand what's happening.  Any help would be
appreciated.

The error log entries are like the following:

May 10 13:30:56 2000 (18677) Archive file access failure:
        /home/mailman/archives/private/vptc-law.mbox/vptc-law.mbox
<exceptions.IOError instance at 81ac798>
May 10 13:30:56 2000 admin(18677): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(18677):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line
204, in ArchiveMail
admin(18677):     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
admin(18677):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line
163, in __archive_to_mbox
admin(18677):     mbox = self.__archive_file(afn)
admin(18677):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line
149, in __archive_file
admin(18677):     return Mailbox.Mailbox(open_ex(afn, "a+"))
admin(18677):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 596, in
open_ex
admin(18677):     raise IOError, e
admin(18677): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/archives/private/vptc-law.mbox/vptc-law.mbox'



Thanks,

serge

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From handel at hrzpub.tu-darmstadt.de  Thu May 11 18:34:49 2000
From: handel at hrzpub.tu-darmstadt.de (Christoph)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:34:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman (SMTP error)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005111832100.32500-100000@sub3.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>

	howdy,

i would like to set up mailman. I followed the instructions in INSTALL and
tried to set up a list "test". But Mailman won't send infomration to the
list owner. As is guess this is the relevant error (from logs/smtp)

May 11 18:25:58 2000 (11001) All recipients refused: (111,
'Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt')

(Connection refused)

I'm using Suse 6.3 and have a correct Relay for my IP in the
/etc/mail/access (and then made a hash) So i would be happy for any hints

Greetings
	Christoph





From paul at source.dyns.cx  Thu May 11 20:43:48 2000
From: paul at source.dyns.cx (Paul van Tilburg)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:43:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming lists
Message-ID: <20000511204347.A9582@source>

I want to rename 8 lists on my computer (thus they get another
address), is this possible with deleting the current and creating new ones?
How can I do this fast and simple without much downtime?

TIA

Paul

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From alex_c at MIT.EDU  Thu May 11 21:23:09 2000
From: alex_c at MIT.EDU (Alexander S Coventry)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:23:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble configuring mailman
Message-ID: <200005111923.PAA05532@w20-575-109.mit.edu>

Hi.  I have the web page for mailman up, but I'm having a little trouble
getting the mailing list to work.  I can get the confirmation message,
but when I try to reply to it, I am getting the following error:

> The original message was received at Thu, 11 May 2000 14:59:02 -0400
> from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (expanded from: <test-request at xxxxx.MIT.EDU>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable
> 
> --OAA23840.958071542/xxxxx>.mit.edu
> Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Also, I am having trouble setting up the pipermail directory to follow
symlinks.  I have the following lines in httpd.conf:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

<Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
    Options FollowSymLinks
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

...but trying to open xxxxx.mit.edu/pipermail/test gives the error:

> The requested URL /pipermail/test was not found on this server.

I'd be grateful for any advice about how to correct these problems.

Alex.



From mark at seahorse.wpinet.net  Thu May 11 22:07:00 2000
From: mark at seahorse.wpinet.net (Mark Cole)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:07:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble configuring mailman
In-Reply-To: <200005111923.PAA05532@w20-575-109.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000511150444.21852C-100000@seahorse.wpinet.net>

from the INSTALL file in the source distribution:

    Problem:  I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying,
              "sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs"

    Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell.  You need to
              configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the
              mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/wrapper) to the directory
              identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh.
              Some common names for this directory are
              /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh.
              Note that on Debian linux, the system makes
              /usr/lib/sm.bin, which is wrong, you will need to create
              the directory /usr/admin/sm.bin and add the link there.
              NOTE: any aliases newaliases spits out will need to be
              adjusted to point to the secure link to the wrapper.
                                                                       

I had the same problem and making a symlink solved it.


On Thu, 11 May 2000, Alexander S Coventry wrote:

> 
> Hi.  I have the web page for mailman up, but I'm having a little trouble
> getting the mailing list to work.  I can get the confirmation message,
> but when I try to reply to it, I am getting the following error:
> 
> > The original message was received at Thu, 11 May 2000 14:59:02 -0400
> > from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]
> > 
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> >     (expanded from: <test-request at xxxxx.MIT.EDU>)
> > 
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable
> > 
> > --OAA23840.958071542/xxxxx>.mit.edu
> > Content-Type: message/delivery-status
> 
> Also, I am having trouble setting up the pipermail directory to follow
> symlinks.  I have the following lines in httpd.conf:
> 
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
> 
> <Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
>     Options FollowSymLinks
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> </Directory>
> 
> ...but trying to open xxxxx.mit.edu/pipermail/test gives the error:
> 
> > The requested URL /pipermail/test was not found on this server.
> 
> I'd be grateful for any advice about how to correct these problems.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

Mark Cole  --  Waypoint Internetworking Corp.
mark at wpinet.net  www.wpinet.net

"I'll need two stout men to work the bellows" - Abraham Simpson 




From fife at anywhereYouGo.com  Thu May 11 23:03:06 2000
From: fife at anywhereYouGo.com (Ryan Fife)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:03:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customize "listinfo" HTML
In-Reply-To: <3919DBD6.34945C9F@digitalimpact.com>; from sgibson@digitalimpact.com on Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:59:50PM -0700
References: <3919DBD6.34945C9F@digitalimpact.com>
Message-ID: <20000511160306.B18932@anywhereYouGo.com>

It isn't templatized yet...you have to edit the python file:

Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py

and change the tag information there.  Tis a pain, but I haven't
complained because I haven't done anything to fix it yet!  :)

On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:59:50PM -0700, Shane Y. Gibson wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've figured out how to customize the listinfo/listname HTML for
> individual
> lists.  However, I wish to customize the generic listinfo frontpage, and
> have not been able to figure it out. 
> 
> I tracked the cgi-bin/listinfo program down, and still am unable to
> determine
> where the HTML is generated from for that page.  I did customize the 
> templates/*.html files, and that doesn't seem to do it.
> 
> Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> v/r
> Shane
> 
> --
> Shane Y. Gibson                                sgibson at digitalimpact.com
> Sr. Network Engineer                           (650) 356-3432  work
> IT Data Center Operations                      (650) 303-3803  cellular
> Digital Impact, Inc.                           (888) 786-4863  pager
> "The Science of eMarketing!"                   (650) 356-3515  fax
> 
>       "Personal responsibility is our most important evolution.
>        The notion that we are the product of our environment is 
>        our greatest sin."                     ---Margaret Meade
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 

Ryan Fife
fife at anywhereYouGo.com
"There's only 24 hours in a day and 2.5 of those are wasted sleeping."



From alex_c at MIT.EDU  Thu May 11 23:25:52 2000
From: alex_c at MIT.EDU (Alexander S Coventry)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:25:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble configuring mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000511150444.21852C-100000@seahorse.wpinet.net>
	(message from Mark Cole on Thu, 11 May 2000 15:07:00 -0500 (CDT))
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000511150444.21852C-100000@seahorse.wpinet.net>
Message-ID: <200005112125.RAA05616@w20-575-109.mit.edu>

Thanks, Mark.  I'll read the documentation a little more carefully. :)

I got the symlinks in the pipermail directory to work, too.

Alex.



From eric at thelin.org  Fri May 12 00:35:57 2000
From: eric at thelin.org (Eric Thelin)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:35:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] url without /mailman/
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005111527390.28053-100000@orion.generation-i.com>

I have mailman setup and working but I would like to access it at
http://list.mydomain.com/ rather than http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/
How do I do this?  I have tried using the following.
ScriptAlias   /   /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
But now I can't access my list admin pages reliably. (Some of them give
"internal server error")  I have found that the cookies are being sent
with /mailman/ as the path and this could be the cause of the
difficulties.  I do not speak python so I haven't even looked at the
source to try to figure this one out but I need to make some sense of
this soon.  Any ideas?

Eric




From dan at scsiboy.com  Fri May 12 01:54:36 2000
From: dan at scsiboy.com (Dan Lowe)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with Mail Man
In-Reply-To: <OMEELCKMICLBGLGECDMKGEAFCAAA.rm@clara.net>; from rm@clara.net on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:47:09PM +0100
References: <OMEELCKMICLBGLGECDMKGEAFCAAA.rm@clara.net>
Message-ID: <20000511195436.A10613@scsiboy.com>

It just so happens I had this exact problem today after switching a
client's system from sendmail to Exim.  It was as usual pretty simple, I
had the wrong GID set as 'MAILMAN_GID'.  Fixed that, and things are working
for me now.

Previously, Russell Mein said:
> 
> 2000-05-09 14:21:17 12p9wr-000HT6-00 ** |/usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper
> mailcmd test <test-request at dare.deathace.net> D=system_
> aliases T=address_pipe: Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2
> from command: /usr/local/etc/mailman/mail/wrapper

-- 
No one is listening until you make a mistake.



From sgibson at digitalimpact.com  Fri May 12 18:31:07 2000
From: sgibson at digitalimpact.com (Shane Y. Gibson)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:31:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Customize "listinfo" HTML
References: <20000512160003.4A0E51CDB6@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <391C31CB.2341A745@digitalimpact.com>

Ryan,

Thanks for the reply!  I must profess that MailMan is my
first bit of exposure to Python, so I'm a veritable 'babe
in the woods' here.  Would it be possible to get a quick
pointer what I should modify to do the following:

  1.	remove the <html>, <head>, and <body> tags
  2.	replace them with (preferably via an 'include' type
	call) my own HTML
  3.	remove the trailing </body> and </html> tags
  4.	again, replace them with my own

I just want it to look like the rest of the modified HTML
for the system.  It currently looks silly to go from our Corp.
intranet, to the standard ListInfo page, then to the modified
list pages that look like our intranet site!

v/r
Shane

mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:

> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customize "listinfo" HTML
> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:03:06 -0500
> From: Ryan Fife <fife at anywhereYouGo.com>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> References: <3919DBD6.34945C9F at digitalimpact.com>
> 
> It isn't templatized yet...you have to edit the python file:
> 
> Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py
> 
> and change the tag information there.  Tis a pain, but I haven't
> complained because I haven't done anything to fix it yet!  :)

--
Shane Y. Gibson                                sgibson at digitalimpact.com
Sr. Network Engineer                           (650) 356-3432  work
IT Data Center Operations                      (650) 303-3803  cellular
Digital Impact, Inc.                           (888) 786-4863  pager
"The Science of eMarketing!"                   (650) 356-3515  fax

      "Personal responsibility is our most important evolution.
       The notion that we are the product of our environment is 
       our greatest sin."                     ---Margaret Meade



From stevem at digital-integrity.com  Fri May 12 18:47:44 2000
From: stevem at digital-integrity.com (Steve Mertz)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:47:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown Mailer Error -- Please help.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005120946050.5580-100000@clunk.dii.local>

Hey.  I just got mailman compiled and running and when I send a message to
the new mailiing list I get it bounce back with the error:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <test at digital-integrity.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2



Any ideas how to go about fixing this?  Thanks!

-- Steve




From wanted at debian.mwd.com.pl  Fri May 12 18:59:05 2000
From: wanted at debian.mwd.com.pl (Marcin Sochacki)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:59:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-i18n] German/international version for test installation?
In-Reply-To: <20000511182836.A16792@galadriel.forwiss.uni-passau.de>; from m.ramsch@computer.org on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 06:28:36PM +0200
References: <20000511182836.A16792@galadriel.forwiss.uni-passau.de>
Message-ID: <20000512185905.B8158@debian.mwd.com.pl>

On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 06:28:36PM +0200, Martin Ramsch wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I've just installed the current version 2.0beta2 of Mailman and boss
> seems to be quite happy with it - only the English language will be
> a big problem for some of our users.
> 
> So I looked around for a German version, and found this i18n list.
> 
> If I read the mail archives correctly, there still is no official
> localized version of Mailman but there is work-in-progress?
> 
> I'd really love to test whatever version there is available, and I
> maybe could even get involved to improve it ...
> 
> Is there some place to download a current development snapshot?

Yup, I18N in Mailman is still in development. Fortunately it's quite easy
to translate HTML templates. Some strings are hard-coded into Python
scripts, so you'll have to hack the source a bit.

Of course the problem comes back with upgrading Mailman, as you must
apply all your corrections from the beginning.

Marcin



From ernst at eucanect.com  Fri May 12 19:19:22 2000
From: ernst at eucanect.com (AE)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:19:22 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #582 - 9 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20000512160003.4A0E51CDB6@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000512141807.02d15008@pop3.hfx.w3internet.com>

I'm not sure if anyone came up with any problems like this already -- but I 
have many lists, all of which have archiving enabled.  One list which is 
configured for Quarterly archiving hasn't archived a single message since I 
installed the latest 2.0 beta series on the system.

Anyone have a fix for this?

Thanks,

	-- Andrew




From serge at bnsi.net  Fri May 12 21:07:34 2000
From: serge at bnsi.net (Serge Egelman)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:07:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CVS troubles...
Message-ID: <391C5676.5EF1B781@bnsi.net>

Hi,
	I upgraded my 2.0 source distribution of Mailman to the newest CVS
distribution to fix an archiver bug.  That works and everything archives
fine now.  However, now the digest cron script doesn't work, whenever it
runs I get the following error message mailed to me:



To: mailman at esinet1.esinet.net
Subject: Cron <mailman at esinet1> /usr/bin/python
    /home/mailman/cron/senddigests

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 40, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 75, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 903, in Load
    self.CheckVersion(dict)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 936, in CheckVersion
    self.Save()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 864, in Save
    self.__lock.refresh()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
    raise NotLockedError
Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError

Any ideas?


Thanks,

serge



-- 
/*
*	Serge Egelman
*	serge at bnsi.net
*	Broadband Network Services, Inc.
*/



From stevem at digital-integrity.com  Sat May 13 00:01:45 2000
From: stevem at digital-integrity.com (Steve Mertz)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My next goofy problem...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005121500170.5580-100000@clunk.dii.local>

I am trying to set up a mailing list.  And it got setup fine.  I send a
message to the list and no messages get forwarded to the list.  It does
get archived though so I know that part is working.

Just not seeing the message on the list.

Any suggestions?
-- Steve




From smead at amplepower.com  Sat May 13 00:52:43 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:52:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown Mailer Error -- Please help.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005120946050.5580-100000@clunk.dii.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005121552100.21947-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Steve,

Sounds like you didn't add the aliases into /etc/aliases and restart
sendmail.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Fri, 12 May 2000, Steve Mertz wrote:

> 
> Hey.  I just got mailman compiled and running and when I send a message to
> the new mailiing list I get it bounce back with the error:
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>     (reason: 2)
>     (expanded from: <test at digital-integrity.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas how to go about fixing this?  Thanks!
> 
> -- Steve
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From dereks at kd-dev.com  Sat May 13 00:45:49 2000
From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:45:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown Mailer Error -- Please help.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005121552100.21947-100000@henry.amplepower.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10005121544450.9933-100000@archer.kd-dev.com>

-> Sounds like you didn't add the aliases into /etc/aliases and restart
-> sendmail.

	Remember to rebuild the database, too, with the "newaliases"
command.  (Or does restarting sendmail automatically do that for you?)


--Derek





From smead at amplepower.com  Sat May 13 01:07:33 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown Mailer Error -- Please help.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10005121544450.9933-100000@archer.kd-dev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005121604190.22746-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Hi Derek!

Yes, sendmail rebuilds that every time it starts.  You can run the
newaliases command to force a running sendmail to re-read and rebuild.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Fri, 12 May 2000, Derek Simkowiak wrote:

> -> Sounds like you didn't add the aliases into /etc/aliases and restart
> -> sendmail.
> 
> 	Remember to rebuild the database, too, with the "newaliases"
> command.  (Or does restarting sendmail automatically do that for you?)
> 
> 
> --Derek
> 
> 
> 




From stevem at digital-integrity.com  Sat May 13 02:52:44 2000
From: stevem at digital-integrity.com (Steve Mertz)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown Mailer Error -- Please help.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005121604190.22746-100000@henry.amplepower.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005121751380.9593-100000@clunk.dii.local>

> > -> Sounds like you didn't add the aliases into /etc/aliases and restart
> > -> sendmail.
> > 


Actually I had all that done.  The problem was that it's sendmail 8.10 and
wants a symlink of 'wrapper' in /etc/smrsh for sendmail's own evil
agendas.

Thanks for the input!

-- Steve




From wlsmis at ms.xjb.ac.cn  Sat May 13 05:06:35 2000
From: wlsmis at ms.xjb.ac.cn (=?gb2312?B?wfW67O7l?=)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:06:35 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please don't send your mail again ,thanks!
Message-ID: <003201bfbc88$653c7ba0$1586e29f@.xjb.ac.cn>


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From petyo at webmessenger.bg  Sun May 14 10:59:37 2000
From: petyo at webmessenger.bg (Petyo Byankov)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:59:37 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] !! Some more errors !!: Fw: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 126
Message-ID: <011101bfbd82$bca325b0$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>

Hi all,
My problem is more strange than Steve's.
Mailman works several mounts till a day when stops and sendmail reports:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON at webmessenger.bg>
To: <postmaster at webmessenger.bg>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:30 PM
Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 126


> The original message was received at Fri, 12 May 2000 15:30:03 +0300
> from localhost
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
>     (expanded from: test-admin)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not permitted
> 554 "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error
126
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

Did it is  a result of changes of sendmail configuration?


Here is part of maillog :
May 12 14:00:55 ns1 sendmail[2693]: OAA02693: from=<petyo at webmessenger.bg>,
size=1260, class=0, pri=31260, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<002901bfbc0b$23276630$b600000a at webmessenger.bg>, proto=SMTP,
relay=[10.0.0.182]

May 12 14:00:55 ns1 sendmail[2694]: OAA02694: clone OAA02693,
owner=test-admin

May 12 14:00:55 ns1 sendmail[2694]: OAA02694: to="|
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" , delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 126

May 12 14:00:55 ns1 sendmail[2694]: OAA02694: OAB02694: DSN: unknown mailer
error 126

May 12 14:00:55 ns1 sendmail[2694]: OAB02694: to="|
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" , delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 126

May 12 14:00:55 ns1 sendmail[2694]: OAB02694: OAC02694: return to sender:
unknown mailer error 126

May 12 14:00:55 ns1 sendmail[2694]: OAC02694: to=petyo , delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent























From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sun May 14 15:41:29 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:41:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] !! Some more errors !!: Fw: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 126
In-Reply-To: <011101bfbd82$bca325b0$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>
References: <011101bfbd82$bca325b0$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>
Message-ID: <20000514094129.A16322@xcski.com>

Quoting Petyo Byankov (petyo at webmessenger.bg):
> Hi all,
> My problem is more strange than Steve's.
> Mailman works several mounts till a day when stops and sendmail reports:
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON at webmessenger.bg>
> To: <postmaster at webmessenger.bg>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:30 PM
> Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 126
> 
> 
> > The original message was received at Fri, 12 May 2000 15:30:03 +0300
> > from localhost
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
> >     (expanded from: test-admin)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not permitted
> > 554 "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error
> 126
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> 
> Did it is  a result of changes of sendmail configuration?

Let me guess - you upgraded to sendmail 8.8 or 8.9, didn't you?  And you
didn't read the installation documents that came with mailman where this
very error is mentioned, did you?

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"Please accept my resignation. I do not want to belong to a club that
would have me as a member."                            - Groucho Marx



From ppp at vsnl.com  Sun May 14 22:41:36 2000
From: ppp at vsnl.com (PPPindia)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:11:36 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suExec error - Help
Message-ID: <391F0F80.E16EFAB6@vsnl.com>

Anyone installed and using mailman successfuly under Apache
with suExec running ? 
I get "directory writable by others /home/mailman/cgi-bin"
error in the suexec_log and Internal server error in the browser.

I searched the archives of this list and found some long
instructions by Doug Muth. Are there any other instructions ?

Thanks in advance.
ksamy
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From petyo at webmessenger.bg  Mon May 15 10:09:36 2000
From: petyo at webmessenger.bg (Petyo Byankov)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:09:36 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] !! Some more errors !!: Fw: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 126
References: <011101bfbd82$bca325b0$b600000a@webmessenger.bg> <20000514094129.A16322@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <03af01bfbe44$fabc6f10$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Tomblin" <ptomblin at xcski.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] !! Some more errors !!: Fw: Postmaster notify:
unknown mailer error 126


> Quoting Petyo Byankov (petyo at webmessenger.bg):
> > Hi all,
> > My problem is more strange than Steve's.
> > Mailman works several mounts till a day when stops and sendmail reports:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON at webmessenger.bg>
> > To: <postmaster at webmessenger.bg>
> > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:30 PM
> > Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 126
> >
> >
> > > The original message was received at Fri, 12 May 2000 15:30:03 +0300
> > > from localhost
> > >
> > >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > > "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
> > >     (expanded from: test-admin)
> > >
> > >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not permitted
> > > 554 "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer
error
> > 126
> > >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > -------
> >
> > Did it is  a result of changes of sendmail configuration?
>
> Let me guess - you upgraded to sendmail 8.8 or 8.9, didn't you?  And you
> didn't read the installation documents that came with mailman where this
> very error is mentioned, did you?
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
> "Please accept my resignation. I do not want to belong to a club that
> would have me as a member."                            - Groucho Marx
>
Hi Paul,
You guess a lot but not at all. I had installed sendmail 8.9.3 before
installed mailman. Mailman have worked for 5 mounts without problems and
just I was thinking for upgrade of sendmail to ver. 8.10.1 it stopped .
Will I reinstall mailman? some problems with this?

Petyo






From sclark at tpg.com.au  Mon May 15 10:15:14 2000
From: sclark at tpg.com.au (Stuart Clark)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:15:14 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving Mailman list to another host
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000515180153.0953cf00@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>

Hello all,

I am in the process of building another host to handle our mailing lists, 
because the current machine is way to slow when precessing membership 
functions.  wwwwaaayyy  ttttoooo   ssslllloooowwwww - if you know what I 
mean.

Firstly, should I create the new mailing list and import existing members 
into the mailing list on the new host, or can I get away with copying the 
list directory?   The old machine is FreeBSD and the new host is under RH 
Linux.
This is using Mailman 1.1 .

Secondly, will there be magnitudes of speed improvement when going to 
Mailman 2, in terms of membership functions (add/delete/user 
unsubscribe/etc)?  It takes a good 20 secs to show the Membership 
Management interface, but 3 secs to lists members, in a list with 52487 
members.


Thanks for yout time,  Stuart.





From scott at xs4all.nl  Mon May 15 15:15:17 2000
From: scott at xs4all.nl (Scott A . McIntyre)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:15:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Available list query via email.
Message-ID: <20000515151517.A5050@xs4all.nl>

Hi,

How can I query mailman in such a way that it will inform me of what
lists are available on a particular machine, but by sending email rather
than using the WWW interface?

If I recall, Majordomo used to have these sorts of features; send to an
address that wasn't quite correct and it would come back with matches,
for example.

Any recommendations?

Thanks,

Scott




From nazeeh at linuxfan.com  Tue May 16 02:41:00 2000
From: nazeeh at linuxfan.com (Nazeeh Amin)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:41:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with permissions
Message-ID: <3920991C.4F8DBD11@linuxfan.com>

hi all...
        I seem to be having a problem with permissions with mailman.. i
keep
getting this email message from it:
--------------------------------------
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman//cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman//cron/checkdbs", line 41, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name)
  File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 69, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 865, in Load
    raise Errors.MMUnknownListError, e
Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

-------------------------------------------

what are the permissions that i need to use for mailman exactly?

Thanks!!
Nazeeh



From bug at aphid.net  Mon May 15 16:19:54 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:19:54 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suExec error - Help
In-Reply-To: <391F0F80.E16EFAB6@vsnl.com>; from ppp@vsnl.com on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:11:36AM +0530
References: <391F0F80.E16EFAB6@vsnl.com>
Message-ID: <20000516001954.D29733@horns.clusion.net>

Wrote PPPindia on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:11:36AM +0530:
> Anyone installed and using mailman successfuly under Apache
> with suExec running ? 
> I get "directory writable by others /home/mailman/cgi-bin"
> error in the suexec_log and Internal server error in the browser.
> 
> I searched the archives of this list and found some long
> instructions by Doug Muth. Are there any other instructions ?

On this, can I make a request for the permissions scheme in mailman? 

Essentially everytime I install or update mailman I have to remove the
group writable bit from the cgi-bin directory. This isn't too much of a
problem - it is just that it complains all the way which is rather
annoying. Both the install script and check_perms insist that the
directory must have the group write permission set.

Actually is there a good explanation of the permission structure of the
mailman files? I haven't had the time to get in there and work out
exactly why the permissions are as they are on each file and directory.
For example some of the directories seem to be owned by different users
and also there are setuid bits set where I don't understand.

Thanks for your time,
Chuck





From bug at aphid.net  Mon May 15 16:15:54 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:15:54 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suExec error - Help
In-Reply-To: <391F0F80.E16EFAB6@vsnl.com>; from ppp@vsnl.com on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:11:36AM +0530
References: <391F0F80.E16EFAB6@vsnl.com>
Message-ID: <20000516001554.C29733@horns.clusion.net>

Wrote PPPindia on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:11:36AM +0530:
> Anyone installed and using mailman successfuly under Apache
> with suExec running ? 
> I get "directory writable by others /home/mailman/cgi-bin"
> error in the suexec_log and Internal server error in the browser.
> 
> I searched the archives of this list and found some long
> instructions by Doug Muth. Are there any other instructions ?

chmod g-w /home/mailman/cgi-bin

Chuck



From fil at bok.net  Mon May 15 17:54:37 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:54:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] big list, postfix, SMTPDirect fails
In-Reply-To: <20000511175301.A12526@orwell.bok.net>; from fil@bok.net on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 05:53:01PM +0200
References: <20000511175301.A12526@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <20000515175437.A32176@orwell.bok.net>

I did not find a solution, but setting 

    DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

in mm_cfg.py made the server reliable with th big list.
I hope that sharing this might help someone.




> Unfortunately my mailman/postfix install does not function properly for big
> lists. The file in postfix/incoming is cut in the middle at the same very
> precise point (in bytes) each time.
> 
> -rw-------   1 postfix  postfix     40960 May 11 17:40 incoming/9414BD90B2
> 
> The file is not even cut in between two addresses, but rather in the middle
> of an address.
> 
> the logs/debug is stuck at:
> May 11 17:46:30 2000 (11972) starting SMTPDirect
> 
> /var/log/mail.info does not know of it -- postfix waits for
> command_time_limit to realise that the process is dead.
> 
> Anyone has a hint?



From jesmer at musc.edu  Mon May 15 21:46:29 2000
From: jesmer at musc.edu (Karen J Jesmer)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:46:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.1000515152147.983J-100000@atrium2.musc.edu>

Hi,

We are thinking of switching from Majordomo to Mailman and I have
installed Mailman 1.1 on a linux server running RH 6.2.  I would like to
configure Mailman to run the sendmail binary rather than connecting via
SMTP.  The README file indicates that this is possible but I can not find
any instructions on how to do so.  Is this still possible? If so how do I
set this up?

Thank you - Karen Jesmer


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From wrd at awenet.com  Mon May 15 21:56:35 2000
From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:56:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie problem, as seen on TV
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0005151254270.10247-100000@awenet.com>

...and in previous messages, but I couldn't find an answer to the problem.

With Mailman 1.1, I frequently got an "Error decoding cookie" message that
prevented me from administering lists, when I was using IE
(Mac).  Netscape for the Mac had no such problems, so I'd just switch to
it for Mailman administration.

However, 2.0b2, installed on a new machine, produces this error every time
with both browsers.

Anybody figured this out?

Thanks,

-Bill

--
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 wrd at awenet.com   http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/  (PGP public key available)

                   "Give 'em hell, Pike!"

                                            - Dutch, _The Wild Bunch_




From goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU  Mon May 15 22:38:24 2000
From: goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU (Philip Goisman)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:38:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman error
Message-ID: <200005152038.NAA01723@electron.physics.arizona.edu>

Dear Developers,

	In installing and testing mailman-2.0beta2 with Python-1.5.2,
I encountered the following error when I tried to email to the test
list named "test":

unknown mailer error 2

The portion of the syslog which is pertinent is as follows:

May 15 12:51:19 newton sendmail[28361]: MAA28361: from=goisman, size=68, class=0, pri=30068, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200005151951.MAA28
361 at newton.physics.arizona.edu>,
 relay=goisman at localhost
May 15 12:51:19 newton Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid d, GOT gid d.  (Reconfigure to take d?)
May 15 12:51:19 newton sendmail[1429]: MAA28361: to="|/usr1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, ma
iler=prog, stat=unknown mailer e
rror 2
May 15 12:51:19 newton sendmail[1429]: MAA28361: MAA01429: DSN: unknown mailer error 2
May 15 12:51:19 newton in.identd[28424]: warning: can't get client address: Socket is not connected
May 15 12:51:19 newton in.identd[28424]: connect from unknown
May 15 12:51:20 newton sendmail[1429]: MAA01429: to=goisman at electron.physics.arizona.edu, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, maile
r=esmtp, relay=electron.physics.
arizona.edu. [128.196.188.47], stat=Sent (MAA01706 Message accepted for delivery)

the bounced email is as follows:


From MAILER-DAEMON at physics.Arizona.EDU  Mon May 15 21:51:19 2000
From: MAILER-DAEMON at physics.Arizona.EDU (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:51:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
Message-ID: <200005151951.MAA01429@newton.physics.arizona.edu>

An embedded message was scrubbed...
From: "Philip L. Goisman" <goisman>
Subject: this is a test email
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:51:19 -0700 (MST)
Size: 435
Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000515/943e2673/attachment.mht 

From wizards at wizdev.net  Mon May 15 23:43:34 2000
From: wizards at wizdev.net (Mark Jaffe)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:43:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problems
In-Reply-To: <200005152038.NAA01723@electron.physics.arizona.edu>
References: <200005152038.NAA01723@electron.physics.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <p04310105b5461f395e4f@[10.3.50.132]>

What is the correct procedure to follow when making configuration 
changes? My server is not responding properly, and I changed the 
mm_cfg.py file to reflect the HOSTNAME change from 
dog1.esprinkles.com to esprinkles.com. What do I have to do to make 
the Web page reflect this change? Restarting the Web server does not 
seem to help.
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From th at nextra.com  Tue May 16 16:50:27 2000
From: th at nextra.com (Tor Houghton)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:50:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "anonymous" lists
Message-ID: <20000516165027.A18179@nextra.com>

Hi, 

I was experimenting with the "remove From: ... bla bla from postings" option
in Mailman 1.0 (for anonymous lists).

It seems it doesn't strip the Received: headers properly:

(w/pine:)

Received: from foo ([1.2.3.4] ident=th)
        by foo.nextra.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #3)
        id 12ora2-0001As-00
        for ic at lollipop; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:44:30 +0200

(w/mutt:)

Received: from th by foo.nextra.com with local (Exim 2.05 #3)
        id 12orbR-0004m5-00
        for ic at lollippop; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:45:57 +0200

Any chance of a patch to remove such lines?

Tor.




From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue May 16 16:58:18 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "anonymous" lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tor Houghton <th@nextra.com> 
   of "Tue, 16 May 2000 16:50:27 +0200." <20000516165027.A18179@nextra.com> 
Message-ID: <E12rina-0003j1-00@rioja.localnet>

th at nextra.com said:
> I was experimenting with the "remove From: ... bla bla from postings"
> option in Mailman 1.0 (for anonymous lists).

> It seems it doesn't strip the Received: headers properly:
> Any chance of a patch to remove such lines? 

That will be much easier in Mailman 2 where you can just add a filter 
to the chain.  You also need to anonymise the body - ie strip sigs.

	Nigel.
-- 
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[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue May 16 18:40:48 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:40:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "anonymous" lists
In-Reply-To: <E12rina-0003j1-00@rioja.localnet>
References: <E12rina-0003j1-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <p04310100b54729f835f7@[209.239.169.197]>

>That will be much easier in Mailman 2 where you can just add a filter
>to the chain.  You also need to anonymise the body - ie strip sigs.

How do you do that?

One thing I'd like to do is allow full MIME, but restrict MIME 
content -- so people can use these features but restrict which types 
get distributed (I want to specifically refuse .exe and other 'live' 
content, but allow html, jpg and gifs...)

Also, from looking through B2, it seems that the support for the 
"majordomo at ..." style central address isn't there (or at least, 
complete). Is that correct? Or did I miss something?

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From alex at phred.org  Tue May 16 18:57:06 2000
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:57:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "anonymous" lists
References: <E12rina-0003j1-00@rioja.localnet> <p04310100b54729f835f7@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <029601bfbf57$c4d11540$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

From: "Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui at plaidworks.com>
> One thing I'd like to do is allow full MIME, but restrict MIME
> content -- so people can use these features but restrict which types
> get distributed (I want to specifically refuse .exe and other 'live'
> content, but allow html, jpg and gifs...)

It would be pretty simple to modify the stripmime script
(http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl) to do this.  I install this in
front of my mailman-1.1 scripts by putting it first in the aliases line.  It
is perl, not python, because I am more familiar with perl.

The current version of the script strips all MIME from the message, leaving
behind any text/plain sections.

alex




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue May 16 19:04:19 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:04:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "anonymous" lists
In-Reply-To: 
 <029601bfbf57$c4d11540$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <E12rina-0003j1-00@rioja.localnet>
 <p04310100b54729f835f7@[209.239.169.197]>
 <029601bfbf57$c4d11540$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <p04310106b5472ffca0d1@[17.216.27.193]>

At 9:57 AM -0700 5/16/2000, alex wetmore wrote:

>It would be pretty simple to modify the stripmime script
>(http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl) to do this.


thanks! will take a look.

chuq
-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From Kitiwink at aol.com  Wed May 17 00:20:41 2000
From: Kitiwink at aol.com (Kitiwink at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:20:41 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcement list?
Message-ID: <6d.3e67f86.265323b9@aol.com>

the mailman mailing list is on mt web hosters acct... I want to make an 
announcement only list and I can't see how to do that...

Please explain?



From alaric at alaric-williams.com  Wed May 17 00:49:31 2000
From: alaric at alaric-williams.com (Alaric B. Williams)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:49:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron <mailman@love> /usr/pkg/bin/python /guest/mailman/cron/checkdbs
 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.10.10005162348470.17544-100000@love.warhead.org.uk>

Hmmm, this looks bad - any ideas?

ABW

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:00:02 +0100 (BST)
From: Cron Daemon <root at warhead.org.uk>
To: mailman at warhead.org.uk
Subject: Cron <mailman at love> /usr/pkg/bin/python /guest/mailman/cron/checkdbs

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/guest/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ?
    main()
  File "/guest/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 52, in main
    text = text + '\n' + pending_requests(mlist)
  File "/guest/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 72, in pending_requests
    pending.append('    %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when))
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string




From tanya at move.com  Wed May 17 02:06:49 2000
From: tanya at move.com (Tanya Ruttenberg)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approve posts from email or command line
Message-ID: <200005170006.RAA20516@barsoom.corp.move.com>

We are using mailman 2.0beta2.  I don't have access to the webserver serving
mailman pages, but I am the list owner for several lists.  Can someone
please tell me 2 things:

1) How to change the list owner--preferably from email or from the command line
2) If there is any way to approve or discard posts either from email or from
   the command line.

Hopefully I will get access to the webserver, but I don't think it will
happen soon. Thanks.

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Tanya Ruttenberg  *** System Administrator *** www.move.com 
             tanya at move.com   ***   tdr at toad.net



From sclark at tpg.com.au  Wed May 17 02:33:35 2000
From: sclark at tpg.com.au (Stuart Clark)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:33:35 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when using subscribe page..
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000517100612.01301758@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>

Hi,

I have a new installation of Mailman 1.1 on a RH6.2 machine.  When using 
the Listinfo page and subscribing a user with a password I get the 
following error.  This does not occur when adding a user via the admin page.

I could find no answer to similar problems in the archives.

I seem to have fixed the problem!!!  The HTML page I used had removed the 
TAGS:

	MM-Undigest-Radio-Button
	MM-Digest-Radio-Button

    ..because I did not want members to choose (with the default setting of 
NO should have applied).  I forced the no answer with a hidden form field 
for digest:

	input type=hidden name="digest" value="0"


Hope this helps.

Kind regards, Stuart


---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
----

Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
     main()
   File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 157, in main
     if digest:
NameError: digest

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
----

Environment variables:
Variable Value
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /home/httpd/html
SERVER_ADDR  203.12.160.54
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
CONTENT_LENGTH  64
CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded
PATH_TRANSLATED  /home/httpd/html/boomerangtv
REMOTE_ADDR  203.12.160.60
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-au
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
SERVER_PORT  80
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, 
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, 
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, */*
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/subscribe/boomerangtv
PATH  /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
QUERY_STRING
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
PATH_INFO  /boomerangtv
HTTP_HOST  lists2.tpg.com.au
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.12 Server at lists-test Port 80
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/subscribe
SERVER_ADMIN  root at localhost
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/3.0.15 
mod_perl/1.21
PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
HTTP_REFERER  http://lists2.tpgi.com.au/mailman/listinfo/boomerangtv
SERVER_NAME  lists-test
REMOTE_PORT  3931





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed May 17 08:32:24 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:32:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some notes on mailman...
Message-ID: <p0431010ab547ecbadcce@[209.239.169.197]>

Hope folks find this useful. I've been evaluating list systems for 
the last, oh, god knows how long, looking to see how to bring my list 
systems up to date and replacing my existing (and heavily, heavily 
hacked) majordomo systems.

This is the evaluation I've just written to send to my list admins 
and other people I need to convince/educate about this upgrade, 
outlining what I see as the improvements from MJ, as well as the 
strengths and weaknesses of Mailman (based on 2.0b2).

If any of this is wrong, please feel free to let me know. and if any 
of this is unclear, I'll be happy to try to explain further.

chuq
----

Key functionality change list for Majordomo -> Mailman 2.0b2

Here is a list of key functionality changes and new features that we 
will acquire migrating to MailMan, as well the weaknesses or missing 
features I've identified.

Changes/improvements:

1) MIME support -- allows posting of mime-based messages, including 
attachments, multipart/alternative and HTML/styled text.

2) Integrated web-based subscription interface -- allows a user to 
subscribe and modify subscriptions via the web with a system 
integrated into the list server (my current system is a bag grafted 
onto the side of the computer...).

3) Nomail (vacation) mode (turn off mail w/o unsubscribing), allowing 
users to turn off deliveries without unsubscribing and losing all of 
their subscription option settings.

4) MIME-digests as well as plain digests.

5) consolidated subscriber interface for a user, allowing them to 
look at all of their subscriptions and manage them from a single web 
page.

6) integrated web-based archives, and automated downloadable text 
versions of archives.

7) support for virtual domains (fred at hockeyfanz.com, babble at chuqui.com...)

8) moderator and admin messages go to the list owners for processing 
(and approvals via the admin web site).

9) better moderator/posting/spam protection for lists.

10) owner/moderators have more control over their lists via admin web site.

11) ability to define trolls who require moderation, without making 
the list moderated.

12) owner/moderator gets emailed any time a message requiring 
approval is received.

13) integrated bounce processing system.

14) significantly simplified list creation and management (especially 
since pretty much everything is now integrated...)

15) supports List-ID proposed standard 
<http://www.within.com/~chandhok/ietf/listid.shtml>.

16) much better mail loop detection and nuking.


Weaknesses/bugs/missing features:

1) No way to limit MIME content other than file size: opens us to 
some potential problems such as viruses or "active" attachments. 
Priority: high. Resolution: can be handled with a scripted front end 
(as I do with majordomo today), or by patching the code to add a trap 
into moderator approval using the existing mechanism. Workaround: 
leaving the message size limit ~20K limits the ability to pass around 
anything meaningfully nasty. I would really like to be able to limit 
the types of data passed via MIME, however, to known/safe data types.

2) No way to force plain-text only. This is a MIME-capable server. 
Priority: low (basically, text-only is dead. This will upset a small 
minority of users, but it's true. The question is how to best manage 
MIME content, not to reject it. If we have a case that requires 
plain-text, there are de-mime scripts that can front-end the server 
address and strip a MIME message to the text part.

3) no centralized "majordomo@" type subscription account. Each list 
has its own subscription/admin address. Priority: low. and this 
enables easy virtual hosting. Frankly, just not a big issue any more, 
since ther's a mass migration to web interfaces anyway, and this is 
simply a documentation issue....

3) no -subscribe or -unsubscribe address. Priority: low. Majordomo 
didn't do that, either, it was all my custom scripting. I can add 
that in again.

4) Does not support list-XXX headers (RFC 2369). Priority: medium. 
Workaround: can probably be added to system.

5) web archives have no search engine (on the project TODO list). 
Priority: medium. Workaround: continue the existing system storing 
digests on a public site, indexed with htDig.

6) plain digests don't hande MIME stuff too cleanly. Priority: 
medium. Workaround: none (the answer is probably to add the ability 
to de-MIME to the MLM, and then allow yet another option to all of 
this, a no-MIME option. So users can choose message/digest, 
MIME/plain in either mode, and plain implies messages get de-mimed 
before delivery.

7) archives don't cleanly integrate MIME stuff. Priority: medium. 
workaround: none (the answer is probably to have the web archives 
recognize enhanced content, store copies of attachments so they're 
available by HTTP, integrate HTML into the archive, and -- and, well, 
easier said than done. But the "right" thing is to present data as it 
was sent out, which means decoding and processing all of this in 
appropriate ways... )

8) documentation and code issues: it's beta. It has features that 
aren't there yet, and documentation is incomplete and needs cleanup. 
Priority: low. workaround: Not a big deal, except for (1) above. 
Everything else I care about is either already far ahead of what we 
have or not that significant.

9) web site customization: needs web-based templatization. Priority: 
low. (optimally, every bloody thing can be changed via a web 
interface, so once it's installed, yo never need to visit the code 
base or MLM directory in a shell ever again. Easier said than done...)

10) doesn't VERP, or encode subscribed address into the message 
(ought to be available for header/footer, encoded into envelope, 
and/or X-sent-to: address, and if reply-to is not set to list, used 
as the "To:" address instead of the list...)

11) the user "conceal address" stuff is confusing. By default, list 
addresses are not publically available (as selected in the privacy 
options page in the admin web site) -- but the default for the user 
is to make it public. For users who understand what this means, this 
is going to create concern and confusion. The user-visible "conceal" 
value should track the list value. Or better yet,  use two values: 
non-visible (which overrides the list default if the list is open) 
and list-default (trust the list admin), with the default being 
list-default. That way, at least, it's clear what's happening. And 
for any user set to "list-default", if that default changes to open, 
they should be sent an email telling them, and explaining how to 
change it if they wish.

12) there is no way for the installation admin to "lock" values so 
the list admins and moderators can't change them. For instance, 
things like reply-to, headers or footers, etc, may need to be 
standardized in some installations. The system doesn't allow for 
site-wide standards to be created and enforced by the site admin -- 
you need to enable a list admin's ability to manage their list, but 
the site-admin needs to be the ultimate authority on what the list 
admin can and can't tweak. In some installations, list admins aren't 
going to be allowed access to the admin pages for this reason...


The only weaknesses I see to the system are:

1) no configurable way to manage MIME content: given the recent 
ILOVEYOU virus, this ought to be a key, top priority. Allowing 
MIME/plain delivery as well as installation- and list-based 
restrictions on MIME content are crucial to protect users and the 
list. By default (IMHO), only "safe", non-active content should be 
allowed through a MLM, and anything else rejected or held for 
approval. Opening to MIME is good. Opening to MIME without 
restriction (other than file size) isn't. Also, an option to hold for 
approval or auto-reject this stuff (with explanation) would be nice.

2) It's in Python: but I guess it's time to learn a new programming language...

3) lack of RFC2369 support, and lack of -subscribe and -unsubscribe 
addresses. I'm surprised that List-ID is in the code, but 2369 isn't. 
It needs to be.

Overall evaluation:

A huge step forward from the current system. Beta code seems very 
stable -- and the glitches can be lived with. Easily integrates about 
95% of the custom hacking I've written around majordomo over the 
years, and allows me to give a lot more power and capability to the 
list owners without me having to manually go in and tweak stuff for 
them. Adds MIME-digests and MIME/HTML capabilities, which will honk 
off some users, but MIME and HTML are rapidly mainstreaming into 
discussion systems, and more and more users have huge problems trying 
to send non-MIME messages (at the least, some way to de-MIME stuff is 
necessary, and I think full MIME support is leading edge in mailing 
lists, but far from bleeding edge.)

Having worked with it for about a week and run it through it's paces, 
I feel that the system is capable of going production with 2.0b2, 
giving us the upgrade we desperately need -- and as the development 
continues to 2.0 release, it'll continue to improve and refine. I'm 
therefore committing to standardizing on mailman as the server to 
replace my majordomo systems.
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From fil at bok.net  Wed May 17 10:00:08 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:00:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some notes on mailman...
In-Reply-To: <p0431010ab547ecbadcce@[209.239.169.197]>; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Tue, May 16, 2000 at 11:32:24PM -0700
References: <p0431010ab547ecbadcce@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <20000517100008.A1654@orwell.bok.net>


* Chuq Von Rospach (chuqui at plaidworks.com) ?crivait :
> 2) No way to force plain-text only. This is a MIME-capable server. 
> Priority: low (basically, text-only is dead. This will upset a small 
> minority of users, but it's true. The question is how to best manage 
> MIME content, not to reject it. If we have a case that requires 
> plain-text, there are de-mime scripts that can front-end the server 
> address and strip a MIME message to the text part.

Can you point to a good one ?

> 3) no -subscribe or -unsubscribe address. Priority: low. Majordomo 
> didn't do that, either, it was all my custom scripting. I can add 
> that in again.

I've hacked this as follows : in /etc/aliases, add

list-on: "|formail -I'Subject: subscribe'|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd list"
list-off: "|formail -I'Subject: unsubscribe'|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd list"

patching bin/newlist to do this is straightforward

Thanks for your text. I think you might consider this one also : when a
message needs moderation, having the server send a copy of the message to
the admins would be o so great. They could either correct what's wrong (a
silly attachment) and "bounce" the message back to the list, or go to the
admin page to approve/discard it.




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed May 17 14:20:08 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:20:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some notes on mailman...
In-Reply-To: <20000517100008.A1654@orwell.bok.net>
References: <p0431010ab547ecbadcce@[209.239.169.197]> <20000517100008.A1654@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <20000517082007.F24305@xcski.com>

Quoting Fil (fil at bok.net):
> Thanks for your text. I think you might consider this one also : when a
> message needs moderation, having the server send a copy of the message to
> the admins would be o so great. They could either correct what's wrong (a
> silly attachment) and "bounce" the message back to the list, or go to the
> admin page to approve/discard it.

Yeah, I liked the fact that in majordomo I just had to type "|approve" in
a case like that, rather than going to a web page and typing in passwords
and clicking and all that shit.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Q:  How did you get into artificial intelligence?
A:  Seemed logical -- I didn't have any real intelligence.



From edelrio at icm.csic.es  Wed May 17 14:16:31 2000
From: edelrio at icm.csic.es (Evilio del Rio)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:16:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AMaVis and Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005161703300.4750-100000@haddock.icm.csic.es>


Hello,


We are planning to install a mail server (sendmail) with the mailing lists
runned by mailman (http://www.list.org/). We have implemented also an
antivirus scanner for the attachments, AMaVis (http://www.amavis.org/).

Now the problem arises when some user sends a message to one of our
lists with an infected attachment. We have mainly internal local lists
with ~200 users.

When the message arrives it is accepted inmediately by MailMan which, in
turns, tries to distribute the message to the recipients on the list. At
this moment, the mailqueue has only one (big) entry, like this:


QAA23445     1653 Tue May 16 16:49 mylist-admin at mymachine.mydoma.in
                                   user1 at mymachine.mydoma.in
...(39 more entries)
                                   user41 at mymachine.mydoma.in

Now, sendmail delivers locally to each address with an independent virus
scanner process for each local address. If it contains an infected
attachment, the virus scanner triggers 40 (or whatever) alerts, this means
120 messages (one for sender, recipient and administrator each).

I would like to change this behavior so that the message is checked and
the alert triggered only once. I should say that the best moment should be
when the message is "accepted for delivery", just BEFORE mailman has a
chance to process it.

The other possibilities: 

	a) to make only one scan for each local message
(independent of the number of recipients).

	b) to wrap the program Mailer 
also with the virus scanner (scanmails) in the same way that AMAaVis does
for the local mailer. The standard sendmail.cf entry is:

Mprog,	P=/usr/sbin/smrsh, F=lsDFMoqu9, S=10/30, R=20/40, D=$z:/,
	T=X-Unix,
	A=sh -c $u

and it should read something like this:

Mprog,	P=/usr/sbin/scanmails, lsDFMoqu9, S=10/30, R=20/40, D=$z:/,
	T=X-Unix,
	A=scanmails smrsh sh -c $u


I would appreciate any help since I do not know which strategy should I
use (I am no an expert).

Thanks a lot,

________________________________________________________________
Evilio Jose del Rio Silvan          Institut de Ciencies del Mar
edelrio at icm.csic.es          http://members.es.tripod.de/Evilio/
SETI at Home! http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/





From goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU  Wed May 17 17:03:13 2000
From: goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU (Philip Goisman)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:03:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta2 and sendmail
Message-ID: <200005171503.IAA01438@electron.physics.arizona.edu>

I've installed mailman-2.0beta2 which appears to work.  However
when I try to use the output from newlist to may aliases, an email
to the newly created list bombs. 

I did run newaliases.  The output from newlist is as follows:

test:                    "|/usr1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/usr1/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/usr1/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

Has anyone else encountered this problem?  Or, is this a bug in 
mailman-2.0beta2?

Philip



From hknief at auctionwatch.com  Wed May 17 17:06:17 2000
From: hknief at auctionwatch.com (Herman Knief)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta2 and sendmail
In-Reply-To: <200005171503.IAA01438@electron.physics.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005170805370.5892-100000@ned.corp.auctionwatch.com>

How does it bomb?  What error message did you receive?  Did you compile
the package with the correct "--with-mail-group" parameter?

 - Herman

On Wed, 17 May 2000, Philip Goisman wrote:

->I've installed mailman-2.0beta2 which appears to work.  However
->when I try to use the output from newlist to may aliases, an email
->to the newly created list bombs. 
->
->I did run newaliases.  The output from newlist is as follows:
->
->test:                    "|/usr1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
->test-admin:              "|/usr1/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
->test-request:            "|/usr1/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
->test-owner:              test-admin
->
->Has anyone else encountered this problem?  Or, is this a bug in 
->mailman-2.0beta2?
->
->Philip
->
->------------------------------------------------------
->Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
->http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
->




From goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU  Wed May 17 17:36:05 2000
From: goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU (Philip Goisman)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:36:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta2 and sendmail
Message-ID: <200005171536.IAA01512@electron.physics.arizona.edu>

->How does it bomb?  What error message did you receive?  Did you compile
->the package with the correct "--with-mail-group" parameter?


The error I receive in the email that bombs is as follows:

554 "|/usr1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2

The config command I used is as follows:

./configure --prefix=/usr1/mailman --with-mail-gid=lab --with-cgi-gid=www --with-gcc=no

The error in the syslog is as follows:

May 15 12:51:19 newton Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid d, GOT gid d.  (Reconfigure to take d?)


Philip



From serge at bnsi.net  Wed May 17 18:21:05 2000
From: serge at bnsi.net (Serge Egelman)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:21:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug when moderating lists
Message-ID: <3922C6F1.410CFF0B@bnsi.net>

Hi,
	We've been having numerous problems with mailman since upgrading to 2.0
from 1.0.  First we used the tarball and archiving wasn't working on
random lists.  Now I upgraded to the freshest CVS and archiving works,
but now moderating doesn't work.  When you go to the admin page to "tend
to pending administrative requests", you can reject messages just fine,
but when you approve them, you get the following error (and the message
doesn't get posted):






Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 118, in main
    HandleRequests(mlist, doc, form)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 266, in
HandleRequests
    mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 125, in HandleRequest
    self.__handlepost(data, value, comment)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 182, in __handlepost
    enqueue = HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg, newdata=msgdata)
TypeError: unexpected keyword argument: newdata





Python information:

     Variable
                                              Value
 sys.version
                 1.5.2 (#1, Apr 18 1999, 16:03:16) [GCC pgcc-2.91.60
19981201 (egcs-1.1.1 
 sys.executable
                 /usr/bin/python 
 sys.prefix
                 /usr 
 sys.exec_prefix
                 /usr 
 sys.path
                 /usr 
 sys.platform
                 linux2 




Environment variables:

       Variable
                                                                              
Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT 
                      /raid1/www/www.bnsi.net 
 SERVER_ADDR 
                      12.5.48.6 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
                      gzip 
 CONTENT_LENGTH 
                      743 
 CONTENT_TYPE 
                      application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
 PATH_TRANSLATED 
                      /raid1/www/www.bnsi.net/test-list 
 REMOTE_ADDR 
                      12.5.48.162 
 SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                      Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.16 mod_ssl/2.6.4
OpenSSL/0.9.5a 
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
                      CGI/1.1 
 HTTP_COOKIE 
                     
test-list:admin="(lp1\012F958579203.39892995\012aI958590003\012aS'c\\245\\013Q\\363\\030\\023]P\\023~\\373\\205\\3243\\350'\012p2\012a."
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
                      en 
 REMOTE_PORT 
                      2401 
 SERVER_PORT 
                      80 
 HTTP_CONNECTION 
                      Keep-Alive 
 HTTP_USER_AGENT 
                      Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
                      iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 
 HTTP_ACCEPT 
                      image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */* 
 REQUEST_URI 
                      /mailman/admindb/test-list 
 PATH 
                     
/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin 
 QUERY_STRING 
 SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                      HTTP/1.0 
 PATH_INFO 
                      /test-list 
 HTTP_HOST 
                      www.bnsi.net 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                      POST 
 SERVER_SIGNATURE 
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                      /mailman/admindb 
 SERVER_ADMIN 
                      webmaster at esinet.net 
 SCRIPT_FILENAME 
                      /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb 
 PYTHONPATH 
                      /home/mailman 
 HTTP_REFERER 
                      http://www.bnsi.net/mailman/admindb/test-list 
 SERVER_NAME 
                      www.bnsi.net 




-- 
/*
*	Serge Egelman
*	serge at bnsi.net
*	Broadband Network Services, Inc.
*/



From sgibson at digitalimpact.com  Wed May 17 18:45:58 2000
From: sgibson at digitalimpact.com (Shane Y. Gibson)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:45:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Addition of schedules to lists?
References: <20000517160003.6060F1CD83@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <3922CCC6.3F206D17@digitalimpact.com>

Hi,

I've got a bunch of users who have requested some new functionality
for our MailMan installation.  They'd like to have a list, which has
a rotating set of members, based on time.  Basically, an oncall schedule
system, integrated into MailMan.  I've never mucked with Python before,
so I'm a little unsure where to begin.

Would this be something that a filter could achieve?  Is there some easy
way to turn on/off receipt of email for individual users at certain
times?

Any help on this would be appreciated.  The user base here is pushing to
install their own Majordomo list server, as they believe that will solve
their problems.

v/r
Shane

--
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IT Data Center Operations                      (650) 303-3803  cellular
Digital Impact, Inc.                           (888) 786-4863  pager
"The Science of eMarketing!"                   (650) 356-3515  fax

      "Personal responsibility is our most important evolution.
       The notion that we are the product of our environment is
       our greatest sin."                     ---Margaret Meade



From rrw at hydrosphere.com  Wed May 17 18:58:19 2000
From: rrw at hydrosphere.com (Roger Wolvington)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:58:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problem
Message-ID: <39227B4B.7208.6DC46@localhost>

Hi,
	I'm trying to archive some old messages to a 
newly created Mailman list.  It seems to process
the messages into HTML without any problem but
when it is building the index files it generates an
"python out of memory" message and terimates.
   Can anyone suggest a way to break down the
processing (using ./arch) into smaller steps that
migh require less memory.

Thanks,
Roger

------------------------------------------------------
 Roger Wolvington    
 Hydrosphere Resource Consultants, Inc.  
 1002 Walnut Street, Suite 200
 Boulder, CO  80302                          

 rrw at hydrosphere.com
 http://www.hydrosphere.com
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=



From peewee at scc.mi.org  Wed May 17 19:27:12 2000
From: peewee at scc.mi.org (Jason Wright)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:27:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Addition of schedules to lists?
In-Reply-To: <3922CCC6.3F206D17@digitalimpact.com>; from Shane Y. Gibson on Wed, May 17, 2000 at 09:45:58AM -0700
References: <20000517160003.6060F1CD83@dinsdale.python.org> <3922CCC6.3F206D17@digitalimpact.com>
Message-ID: <20000517102712.A3144@scc.mi.org>

On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 09:45:58AM -0700, Shane Y. Gibson spewed forth:

> I've got a bunch of users who have requested some new functionality
> for our MailMan installation.  They'd like to have a list, which has
> a rotating set of members, based on time.  Basically, an oncall schedule
> system, integrated into MailMan.  I've never mucked with Python before,
> so I'm a little unsure where to begin.

How about a cron job calling add_members and remove_members?

PeeWee

-- 
email: peewee at scc.mi.org - useless: http://www.scc.mi.org/peewee/ - efnet:  Pwe
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and were acceptably violent, you would be admired. - "The Era of Great Numbers"



From sdinn at spine.cx  Wed May 17 19:43:59 2000
From: sdinn at spine.cx (Steve Dinn)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:43:59 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Addition of schedules to lists?
In-Reply-To: <20000517102712.A3144@scc.mi.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005171440570.19374-100000@spine>

On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jason Wright wrote:
> How about a cron job calling add_members and remove_members?

It would be cooler if there was a way to set the members' attributes using
the command line so it would be possible to simple disable them rather
than remove them entirely.

I haven't looked at Mailman 2.0 at all yet, but from all I'm hearing, it
sounds pretty good...Command line tools are alsways welcome though :)

-- 
 Steve Dinn                       email:  mailto:sdinn at spine.cx
                                    www:  http://users.andara.com/~sdinn

       "Save the whales.  Feed the hungry.  Free the mallocs."





From cb at lim.nl  Wed May 17 19:54:50 2000
From: cb at lim.nl (Colin Brace)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:54:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] import msgs to archive?
Message-ID: <20000517175633.KBTL19755.relay01@[62.108.30.75]>

Hello all,

I've just switched a list I maintain from SmartList to Mailman. Can anyone
point me to instructions on how to import the old messages into the new
Mailman archive?

TIA

-- 
  Colin Brace <cb at lim.nl>
  Amsterdam
  http://www.lim.nl





From pnicolas at rcn.com  Wed May 17 19:59:21 2000
From: pnicolas at rcn.com (Pierre J. Nicolas)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:59:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman in Action
References: <20000517160003.6060F1CD83@dinsdale.python.org> <3922CCC6.3F206D17@digitalimpact.com> <20000517102712.A3144@scc.mi.org>
Message-ID: <3922DDF9.82237E6B@rcn.com>

Could someone please recommend a site that
I could go to, to see "Mailman" in action?

Thanks,

Pierre

Jason Wright wrote:

> On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 09:45:58AM -0700, Shane Y. Gibson spewed forth:
>
> > I've got a bunch of users who have requested some new functionality
> > for our MailMan installation.  They'd like to have a list, which has
> > a rotating set of members, based on time.  Basically, an oncall schedule
> > system, integrated into MailMan.  I've never mucked with Python before,
> > so I'm a little unsure where to begin.
>
> How about a cron job calling add_members and remove_members?
>
> PeeWee
>
> --
> email: peewee at scc.mi.org - useless: http://www.scc.mi.org/peewee/ - efnet:  Pwe
> I said you were a state of mind, I believe. I said that if you ran very swiftly
> and were acceptably violent, you would be admired. - "The Era of Great Numbers"
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed May 17 20:02:16 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:02:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman in Action
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F80D3@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre J. Nicolas [mailto:pnicolas at rcn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:59 AM
> To: Jason Wright
> Cc: Shane Y. Gibson; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman in Action
> 
> Could someone please recommend a site that
> I could go to, to see "Mailman" in action?

The site where you subscribed to this list?  Another place is
http://www.sunhelp.org/  
	Greg



From Vulch at kernow.demon.co.uk  Wed May 17 20:03:25 2000
From: Vulch at kernow.demon.co.uk (Anthony Frost)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:03:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Addition of schedules to lists?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005171440570.19374-100000@spine>
Message-ID: <e97e38c049%Vulch@kerrier.vulch.org>

In message <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005171440570.19374-100000 at spine>
          Steve Dinn <sdinn at spine.cx> wrote:

 > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jason Wright wrote:
 > > How about a cron job calling add_members and remove_members?
 > 
 > It would be cooler if there was a way to set the members' attributes using
 > the command line so it would be possible to simple disable them rather
 > than remove them entirely.

Setting and unsetting the users "nomail" flag fits this description
then.

         Anthony

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    |   If Microsoft made your letter box, all some one would have to do   |
    |    is write "Burn the house down" on a piece of paper and post it    |
    |       through the door, and your house would go up in flames.        |
    



From frank at osucau.biochem.okstate.edu  Wed May 17 19:45:20 2000
From: frank at osucau.biochem.okstate.edu (Franklin A Hays)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail questions
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005171240160.14220-100000@osucau.biochem.okstate.edu>

Hi!  Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere (in which case please
point me to it).  currently considering switching my mailing lists over to
mailman but have some concerns regarding its use with qmail-1.02.  Can
anyone on the list currently running qmail provide me with some brief
information regarding their experiences?  EZMLM is my current list manager
and have had very few problems with it, but do to my growing subscriber
base I am looking for a GUI interface for subscribers so they can handle
most of the administration (limited to each user) as possible.  

running slackware linux 7.0 or 3.6 on intel machines.

Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated.  IF this question needs to be
posted on another list then please let me know and apologies in advance.

/frank




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 17 23:06:43 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:06:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman in Action 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Pierre J. Nicolas" <pnicolas@rcn.com> 
   of "Wed, 17 May 2000 13:59:21 EDT." <3922DDF9.82237E6B@rcn.com> 
References: <20000517160003.6060F1CD83@dinsdale.python.org> <3922CCC6.3F206D17@digitalimpact.com> <20000517102712.A3144@scc.mi.org>  <3922DDF9.82237E6B@rcn.com> 
Message-ID: <18240.958597603@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 17 May 2000 13:59:21 -0400 
Pierre J Nicolas <pnicolas at rcn.com> wrote:

> Could someone please recommend a site that I could go to, to see
> "Mailman" in action?

Python.org is the obvious example as all the severla dozen lists
there are run under Mailman.

-- 
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----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From serge at guanotronic.com  Thu May 18 07:21:54 2000
From: serge at guanotronic.com (Serge M. Egelman)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 05:21:54 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archival problems
Message-ID: <39237DF2.253F7E5C@guanotronic.com>

Hi,
	I'm running 2.0beta2 and it appears as though all posts that have been
approved by a moderator don't appear in the archives.  Member posts that
go right to the list work fine.  Is there a configuration option that
I'm just missing or does anyone know about this bug?

Also, all of my problems with Mailman came up after upgrading to 2.0beta
from 1.1, I've tried both source tarballs and also the CVS, each has its
own problems on my system.  I think I might just go back to 1.1, what's
the easiest way of downgrading without losing any list data?

Thanks,

serge


-- 
/*
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Broadband Network Services

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." - Lazarus Long
*/



From tal at research.bell-labs.com  Thu May 18 07:47:39 2000
From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:47:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Addition of schedules to lists?
References: <e97e38c049%Vulch@kerrier.vulch.org>
Message-ID: <392383FB.6421BEE8@research.bell-labs.com>

If the groups are "morning" and "day" and "evening" people, it would be
a lot easier to create 3 lists: list-morning, list-day and list-evening
and have a cronjob that directs "list" to point to the appropriate
one.   In fact, if you do the forwarding with a .forward file the cron
job could be as easy as:
	echo list-evening >~list/.forward

--tal



From jcrey at uma.es  Thu May 18 07:57:54 2000
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:57:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman in Action
References: <20000517160003.6060F1CD83@dinsdale.python.org> <3922CCC6.3F206D17@digitalimpact.com> <20000517102712.A3144@scc.mi.org>  <3922DDF9.82237E6B@rcn.com> <18240.958597603@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <39238662.66DCAC94@uma.es>

J C Lawrence wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2000 13:59:21 -0400
> Pierre J Nicolas <pnicolas at rcn.com> wrote:
> 
> > Could someone please recommend a site that I could go to, to see
> > "Mailman" in action?
> 
> Python.org is the obvious example as all the severla dozen lists
> there are run under Mailman.
> 

Of course! The i18n-Mailman beta version

http://joker.sci.uma.es/mailman/listinfo
Cheers
-- 
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                        ( O O )
   #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
   |    Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es)      |
   |      Servicio Central de inform?tica         |
   |       Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a         |
   #----------------------------------------------#
   #      Solo se que cada vez se menos :-|       #
   #----------------------------------------------#



From tal at research.bell-labs.com  Thu May 18 08:04:43 2000
From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:04:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some notes on mailman...
References: <p0431010ab547ecbadcce@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <392387FB.BCF45820@research.bell-labs.com>

chuq: this is really useful research!  Thanks!


> 7) support for virtual domains (fred at hockeyfanz.com, babble at chuqui.com...)

A better example might be members at hockeyfanz.com (-:


> 8) moderator and admin messages go to the list owners for processing
> (and approvals via the admin web site).

This is actually a negative thing for me.  I want them to go to
different people.  In fact, I want bounces to just go to /dev/null :-)


> 13) integrated bounce processing system.

I run a number of mailing lists for people in the telecom world and they
all seem to use mail systems with odd and/or broken bounce mechanisms. 
The regular expressions don't catch much of their bounces.  I would much
rather see support for VERP support, which I assume will be added as
soon as postfix supports VERP.  I'd be willing to work with someone to
add this support to mailman, by the way.


Negatives:

> 3) no -subscribe or -unsubscribe address. Priority: low. Majordomo
> didn't do that, either, it was all my custom scripting. I can add
> that in again.

I think this is a major problem, and since it is so easy to fix I hope
it can be integrated before 2.x reaches non-beta status.


> 6) plain digests don't hande MIME stuff too cleanly. Priority:
> medium. Workaround: none (the answer is probably to add the ability
> to de-MIME to the MLM, and then allow yet another option to all of
> this, a no-MIME option. So users can choose message/digest,
> MIME/plain in either mode, and plain implies messages get de-mimed
> before delivery.

I default users to MIME digests for this reason.  Things work pretty
well.  I only switch someone to plain digests if they use a broken
mailer.


> 7) archives don't cleanly integrate MIME stuff. Priority: medium.
> workaround: none (the answer is probably to have the web archives
> recognize enhanced content, store copies of attachments so they're
> available by HTTP, integrate HTML into the archive, and -- and, well,
> easier said than done. But the "right" thing is to present data as it
> was sent out, which means decoding and processing all of this in
> appropriate ways... )

I think this is a major issue.  I'd love to see it detach all
attachments, store them in a directory somewhere, and replace them with
URLs to the stored files.


> 10) doesn't VERP, or encode subscribed address into the message
> (ought to be available for header/footer, encoded into envelope,
> and/or X-sent-to: address, and if reply-to is not set to list, used
> as the "To:" address instead of the list...)

I agree.


> 2) It's in Python: but I guess it's time to learn a new programming language...

I feel the same way!


> 3) lack of RFC2369 support, and lack of -subscribe and -unsubscribe
> addresses. I'm surprised that List-ID is in the code, but 2369 isn't.
> It needs to be.

--tal



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu May 18 08:01:25 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:01:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some notes on mailman...
In-Reply-To: <20000517100008.A1654@orwell.bok.net>
References: <p0431010ab547ecbadcce@[209.239.169.197]>
 <20000517100008.A1654@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <p04310108b54936de4f57@[209.239.169.197]>

At 10:00 AM +0200 5/17/2000, Fil wrote:

>  > MIME content, not to reject it. If we have a case that requires
>>  plain-text, there are de-mime scripts that can front-end the server
>>  address and strip a MIME message to the text part.
>
>Can you point to a good one ?

Here's one (in perl) that works well:

	<http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html>

>  > 3) no -subscribe or -unsubscribe address. Priority: low. Majordomo
>>  didn't do that, either, it was all my custom scripting. I can add
>>  that in again.
>
>I've hacked this as follows : in /etc/aliases, add

ooh. using procmail. I hadn't thought of that. Very nice. Thanks!

>Thanks for your text. I think you might consider this one also : when a
>message needs moderation, having the server send a copy of the message to
>the admins would be o so great.

I like this; in fact, I'd go a bit further. include the message, and 
an approval cookie. The admin can then e-mail back the approval 
cookie (and optionally a modified version of the message), or the 
cookie back with a reject code. that way, the moderation (with 
message cleanup) could be done purely via e-mail, which (IMHO) isn't 
as easy as web, but sometimes more convenient, or at least faster. 
Not everyone has browsers available 100% of the time, although we're 
getting closer.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu May 18 08:36:51 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:36:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some notes on mailman...
In-Reply-To: <392387FB.BCF45820@research.bell-labs.com>
References: <p0431010ab547ecbadcce@[209.239.169.197]>
 <392387FB.BCF45820@research.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <p0431010ab5493a010c23@[209.239.169.197]>

At 2:04 AM -0400 5/18/2000, Tom Limoncelli wrote:
>chuq: this is really useful research!  Thanks!


Glad it's useful. I hope at some point to actually sit down and work 
on fixing things instead of just complaining, too...


>  > 8) moderator and admin messages go to the list owners for processing
>>  (and approvals via the admin web site).
>
>This is actually a negative thing for me.  I want them to go to
>different people.  In fact, I want bounces to just go to /dev/null :-)

bounces to /dev/null is a fine option, but you still need to do some 
bounce processing. Bandwidth isn't free or infinite, and while small 
lists may not seem like big deals, it adds up. (I ran a mailing last 
week that generated a 200 megabyte bounce file. I'm still processing 
bounces out of it, five days later -- but we're finally trying to 
catch up and clean up a lot of deferred bounce mail. It really starts 
to add up...)

>  > 13) integrated bounce processing system.
>
>I run a number of mailing lists for people in the telecom world and they
>all seem to use mail systems with odd and/or broken bounce mechanisms.

This can be an amazing pain. It gets even worse when your audience 
goes global, as mine does, and the error messages get translated into 
languages other than English.

One thing I hope to do at some point is integrate support for 
smartbounce into mailman, since it's great at handling this stuff 
(it's just not free, so it can't be the default). And an upcoming 
version of smartbounce will fully support verped email. Verping is a 
huge plus here, and frankly, I think it's more and more important to 
make sure the user knows what address the mail is being sent to, 
since so many folks are using forwarders, multiple addresses, and all 
sorts of things they can't keep track of easily. This is something 
I'm currently implementing into my big server.

(IMHO, the MLM ought to put the address into the "To:" field for 
lists where reply-to-list is disabled. If reply-to is set to the 
list, it's arguabl whether the to: *still* ought to be the user (with 
a reply-to field), or whether it ought to be the list. IMHO, I'd set 
it up so the To: points to the user under all circumstances, and 
reply-to is used to coerce replies if that's what people want (and 
frankly, they rarely should. But that's a different argument). I 
think that's the cleanest interpretation of the RFCs, also.

This implies VERP, of course, since you have to individualize every 
message, but I think it's worth it. you can customize unsub and admin 
links, all sorts of stuff to make life easier for the user (and by 
definition, the admin, who then only has to deal with really bizarre 
cases and the walking braincramps).

>I default users to MIME digests for this reason.  Things work pretty
>well.  I only switch someone to plain digests if they use a broken
>mailer.

Smart move -- over the last six months, users have moved pretty much 
en-masse to html/mime enabled clients (I've also seen 4.X browsers 
finally take over from earlier versions as well). There are still 
pockets of older stuff you can't ignore, but it's no longer a 
majority case that people can't use it or don't want it. We did a 
subscriber survey recently to see (among other things) whether there 
was interest in HTML-based versions of our mailings, and 80% of our 
users were in favor of it. And we're now doing it (both HTML and 
plain-text as separate mailings -- in this case, 
multi-part/alternative isn't the right way to go, because we've found 
if they support mime, they want HTML, and if they don't support mime, 
alternative makes life worse. And it helps those that have mailers 
that use MIME, but don't want HTML -- but that's a tiny number..)

>I think this is a major issue.  I'd love to see it detach all
>attachments, store them in a directory somewhere, and replace them with
>URLs to the stored files.

I know someone who did that for a netnews feed -- automatically grab 
all of the binaries, put them together, stuff them into an HTTP 
server, and rewrite the messages with links instead of all that 
garbage. Very nice, but not trivial. But that's where I think the 
archives need to head over time.

>  > 2) It's in Python: but I guess it's time to learn a new 
>programming language...
>
>I feel the same way!

By the way, this isn't a criticism of Python -- I've already gone 
over the first intro book, and it looks ike a great language. but 
just waht I need, to spend a few weeks learning it... Not that I have 
anything else to do...

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From allen at gist.net.au  Thu May 18 09:07:09 2000
From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:37:09 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MemoryError ? - this happens in both 1.1 and 2.0b2
Message-ID: <20000518070709.CCE091F861@harper.gist.net.au>

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 282, in ?
    dolist(list)
  File "bin/update", line 77, in dolist
    l = MailList.MailList(list)
  File "/home/whats/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 69, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/whats/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 867, in Load
    dict = marshal.load(file)
MemoryError
-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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CTPC - Caffeine - get it here: http://www.coffee-tea-pots-cups.com/
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
GPG fingerprint = CBB0 8626 702C 3D01 B5AD  A54A DC2C 93B7 3E4B 6472
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++





From sweidner at efiniti.com  Thu May 18 09:21:55 2000
From: sweidner at efiniti.com (Sheryl Weidner)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:21:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hostname vs. domain name in "-request" addresses
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005180014080.16900-100000@crusader.noogie.com>

Hello folks,

My apologies in advance if this is a simple and already-answered question.
I'm relatively new to running Mailman; we have it up and running on a
machine that is actually not the same machine as the mailserver for the
domain in which the lists reside (so that the addresses of the lists are
list at lists.domain.com rather than list at domain.com).  We have everything
working correctly except the list-request autoresponses sent out when a
user needs to reply to the request address for confirmation - they show up
as 'list-request at domain.com'.

All of the entries in Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py refer to the default
hostname correctly as the full name of the machine.  I can't find any
other references to the domain that don't include the machine name.

While we could just alias "list-request" on the domain's default mail
server to point back to the correct address on the listserver, this is
obviously not optimal (in my case I manage the web & list servers, but not
the mail server).  Am I missing something obvious?

Details:
Mailman 2.0b2
RedHat 6.2 w/default sendmail install

Thanks!
Sheryl




From smead at amplepower.com  Thu May 18 16:47:48 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some notes on mailman...
In-Reply-To: <p04310108b54936de4f57@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005180746010.24743-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

I may have missed part of the discussion, but Python has modules called
mimetools and multifile which can be used to extract messages and
attachments from email.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Wed, 17 May 2000, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> At 10:00 AM +0200 5/17/2000, Fil wrote:
> 
> >  > MIME content, not to reject it. If we have a case that requires
> >>  plain-text, there are de-mime scripts that can front-end the server
> >>  address and strip a MIME message to the text part.
> >
> >Can you point to a good one ?
> 
> Here's one (in perl) that works well:
> 
> 	<http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html>
> 
> >  > 3) no -subscribe or -unsubscribe address. Priority: low. Majordomo
> >>  didn't do that, either, it was all my custom scripting. I can add
> >>  that in again.
> >
> >I've hacked this as follows : in /etc/aliases, add
> 
> ooh. using procmail. I hadn't thought of that. Very nice. Thanks!
> 
> >Thanks for your text. I think you might consider this one also : when a
> >message needs moderation, having the server send a copy of the message to
> >the admins would be o so great.
> 
> I like this; in fact, I'd go a bit further. include the message, and 
> an approval cookie. The admin can then e-mail back the approval 
> cookie (and optionally a modified version of the message), or the 
> cookie back with a reject code. that way, the moderation (with 
> message cleanup) could be done purely via e-mail, which (IMHO) isn't 
> as easy as web, but sometimes more convenient, or at least faster. 
> Not everyone has browsers available 100% of the time, although we're 
> getting closer.
> 
> -- 
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
> 
> And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
> and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From smead at amplepower.com  Thu May 18 16:57:06 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some notes on mailman...
In-Reply-To: <392387FB.BCF45820@research.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005180749410.24743-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

> 2) It's in Python: but I guess it's time to learn a new programming
language...

This is a shameless plug for Python.  I started reading my first Python
book last November, and have found Python very easy to learn, with
unbelievable modules to support Internet programming and more. I've
managed to write some significant programs since then, like message board,
e-commerce, ftp/nfs mirror, and others.

BTW,  My first experience programming was on a drum based computer in
1966, so if this old dog can learn a new language, anyone can.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.





From roland.krause at amd.com  Thu May 18 17:17:32 2000
From: roland.krause at amd.com (Roland Krause)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:17:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getattr
Message-ID: <1000518171732.ZM15014@exter>

Hi,

has someone experience with following error which occurs when I use
new_list on a SunOS 5.5.1:

.
.
.
Hit enter to continue with raburabu owner notification...

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/user/mailman/bin/newlist", line 154, in ?
    main(sys.argv)
  File "/user/mailman/bin/newlist", line 148, in main
    HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg)
  File "/user/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
DeliverToUser
    pipeline_delivery(mlist, msg, pipeline)
  File "/user/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 37, in
pipeline_delivery
    func(mlist, msg)
  File "/user/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py", line 37, in process
    toadmin = getattr(msg, 'toadmin', 0)
TypeError: getattr requires exactly 2 arguments; 3 given

Thank you.

----------------------+----------------------
Roland.Krause at amd.com | Roland.Krause at gmx.net
          Senior CAD Systems Engineer
        Advanced Micro Devices, Dresden
Voice: (351) 277-6047 | FAX:  (351) 277-96047   
----------------------+----------------------



From glillico at excite.com  Thu May 18 17:55:11 2000
From: glillico at excite.com (Graham Lillico)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:55:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Exim
Message-ID: <24572960.958665311579.JavaMail.imail@blizzard.excite.com>

H, I ahve installed the latest copy of mailman and I have got everything
else working apart from this little problem.  When I send a confirming email
to test-request at linux1.grez.org I get the following email returned.

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.   

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. The following address(es) failed:

  test-request at linux1.grez.org:
    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
command:
    /home/users/m/mailman/mail/wrapper

I have read the exim and mailman howto and trawled through the documents but
to noavail.  Does anyone have any idea what the problem is here?

Regards

Grez





_______________________________________________________
Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite
Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp




From smead at amplepower.com  Thu May 18 18:24:55 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:24:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Exim
In-Reply-To: <24572960.958665311579.JavaMail.imail@blizzard.excite.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005180923300.26727-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Graham,

This looks like lack of an alias in /etc/aliases.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Graham Lillico wrote:

> H, I ahve installed the latest copy of mailman and I have got everything
> else working apart from this little problem.  When I send a confirming email
> to test-request at linux1.grez.org I get the following email returned.
> 
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.   
> 
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. The following address(es) failed:
> 
>   test-request at linux1.grez.org:
>     Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
> command:
>     /home/users/m/mailman/mail/wrapper
> 
> I have read the exim and mailman howto and trawled through the documents but
> to noavail.  Does anyone have any idea what the problem is here?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Grez
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________________
> Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite
> Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From xy0xy0 at earthlink.net  Thu May 18 18:45:42 2000
From: xy0xy0 at earthlink.net (Francisco Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:45:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users to a private list with no confirmation..
Message-ID: <39241E36.6C4E1B0A@earthlink.net>

ive got a list of several thousand emails.. i need to send..
i installed mailman and its working.. but then in the Privacy Options
menu it lists What steps are required for subscription?
it says i *need* a confirmation..
how could i add members to a list.. but not have to make them confirm
the addition to the list..

and no this isnt spam.. these emails came from a webpage where they
request newsletters.

any help is greatly appreciated




From goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU  Thu May 18 21:13:39 2000
From: goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU (Philip Goisman)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:13:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta2 and sendmail
Message-ID: <200005181913.MAA04062@electron.physics.arizona.edu>

Thanks to hknief at auctionwatch.com, smead at amplepower.com,
and the mailman-2.0beta2 install instructions, I've got
mailman working.  I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't fully
read the install instructions.  Thanks again to those who
answered.

Now I need to determine how to point the aliases from other
platforms to the platform on which mailman exists.

Does anyone know of any man pages, info sections, or other
documentation concerning the executables and their options
in ~mailman/bin?

Philip



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Thu May 18 21:36:34 2000
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Errors in Mailman list
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000518143556.00c14560@admin.aurora.edu>

>Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:09:07 -0300
>From: Daniel Neto <danielneto at zaz.com.br>
>X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Educational
>Reply-To: Daniel Neto <danielneto at zaz.com.br>
>To: ckolar at aurora.edu
>Subject: Errors in Mailman list
>
>Chris,
>
>      I'm  running  your  product  (Mailman-2.0beta2)  and  I  got  the
>      following problem while creating a new list:
>
>
>      =================[ BEGIN OF CREATING A NEW LIST ]=================
>
>[mailman at srv12-vix mailman]$ bin/newlist teste
>Enter the email of the person running the list: dneto at vix.zaz.com.br
>Initial teste password:
>
>Entry for aliases file:
>
>## teste mailing list
>## created: 18-May-2000 mailman
>teste:                   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post teste"
>teste-admin:             "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner teste"
>teste-request:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd teste"
>teste-owner:             teste-admin
>
>Hit enter to continue with teste owner notification...
>
>Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "bin/newlist", line 154, in ?
>     main(sys.argv)
>   File "bin/newlist", line 148, in main
>     HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in 
> DeliverToUser
>     pipeline_delivery(mlist, msg, pipeline)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 37, in 
> pipeline_deli
>very
>     func(mlist, msg)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py", line 37, in process
>     toadmin = getattr(msg, 'toadmin', 0)
>TypeError: getattr requires exactly 2 arguments; 3 given
>
>      =================[ END OF CREATING A NEW LIST ]=================
>
>      How can I fix this?
>
>      In  time:  I'm running Python-1.6a2 (compiled in /usr/local/bin),
>      Linux 2.2.10 #8 on a i686, 128Mb RAM, only 28% used on a 4Gb hard
>      disk.
>
>   Thanks a lot
>   Daniel Neto
>   danielneto at zaz.com.br
>
>      PS:  Please, if it ain't you, forward the message to the person I
>      can have a help! Please this is urgent!




From smead at amplepower.com  Thu May 18 21:46:19 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:46:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta2 and sendmail
In-Reply-To: <200005181913.MAA04062@electron.physics.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005181242010.29673-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Philip,

You can use procmail as a filter to send mail related to the mailman
aliases to that host.  Procmail isn't too hard to understand, but quite
difficult to get right because a missing : c, *, etc, can really mess
things up.  I had a loop one time that took three days to find!

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Philip Goisman wrote:

> 
> Thanks to hknief at auctionwatch.com, smead at amplepower.com,
> and the mailman-2.0beta2 install instructions, I've got
> mailman working.  I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't fully
> read the install instructions.  Thanks again to those who
> answered.
> 
> Now I need to determine how to point the aliases from other
> platforms to the platform on which mailman exists.
> 
> Does anyone know of any man pages, info sections, or other
> documentation concerning the executables and their options
> in ~mailman/bin?
> 
> Philip
> 




From smead at amplepower.com  Thu May 18 22:19:54 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:19:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Errors in Mailman list
In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000518143556.00c14560@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005181318010.30483-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Christopher,

You need to upgrade Python. You're using a version that Mailman won't run
on.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Christopher Kolar wrote:

> 
> >Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:09:07 -0300
> >From: Daniel Neto <danielneto at zaz.com.br>
> >X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Educational
> >Reply-To: Daniel Neto <danielneto at zaz.com.br>
> >To: ckolar at aurora.edu
> >Subject: Errors in Mailman list
> >
> >Chris,
> >
> >      I'm  running  your  product  (Mailman-2.0beta2)  and  I  got  the
> >      following problem while creating a new list:
> >
> >
> >      =================[ BEGIN OF CREATING A NEW LIST ]=================
> >
> >[mailman at srv12-vix mailman]$ bin/newlist teste
> >Enter the email of the person running the list: dneto at vix.zaz.com.br
> >Initial teste password:
> >
> >Entry for aliases file:
> >
> >## teste mailing list
> >## created: 18-May-2000 mailman
> >teste:                   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post teste"
> >teste-admin:             "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner teste"
> >teste-request:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd teste"
> >teste-owner:             teste-admin
> >
> >Hit enter to continue with teste owner notification...
> >
> >Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "bin/newlist", line 154, in ?
> >     main(sys.argv)
> >   File "bin/newlist", line 148, in main
> >     HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in 
> > DeliverToUser
> >     pipeline_delivery(mlist, msg, pipeline)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 37, in 
> > pipeline_deli
> >very
> >     func(mlist, msg)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py", line 37, in process
> >     toadmin = getattr(msg, 'toadmin', 0)
> >TypeError: getattr requires exactly 2 arguments; 3 given
> >
> >      =================[ END OF CREATING A NEW LIST ]=================
> >
> >      How can I fix this?
> >
> >      In  time:  I'm running Python-1.6a2 (compiled in /usr/local/bin),
> >      Linux 2.2.10 #8 on a i686, 128Mb RAM, only 28% used on a 4Gb hard
> >      disk.
> >
> >   Thanks a lot
> >   Daniel Neto
> >   danielneto at zaz.com.br
> >
> >      PS:  Please, if it ain't you, forward the message to the person I
> >      can have a help! Please this is urgent!
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From mjt at tls.msk.ru  Thu May 18 22:38:03 2000
From: mjt at tls.msk.ru (Michael Tokarev)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:38:03 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change any list options!?
Message-ID: <392454AB.47B19C66@tls.msk.ru>

Hello!

I'm new to mailman.  And, as usual for this king of expirience,
encountered a problem with it.

List is set up, mailings to it are successeful (subscribe/unsubscribe/post).
But www interface is not working.
When I try to access http://myhost/cgi-bin/admin/listname, it correctly asks me
for a password, then sets cookie and display a page.
I can change any value, but when I press submit, it again asks me for a password
and display original page with original values.
I noted a new files in lists/listname:
  config.db owned by nobody (www user) group mailman
  config.db.last owned by root (as I created new list) group mailman
This is binary file and I can edit some fields within it using
binary editor, but this is way ugly to do so...

What can be wrong?

Thanks in advise.

Regards,
  Michael.

P.S. Is there any info on virtual host setup?  I want to run some lists
with the same name on different domains on the same machine -- is it possible?



From roedelm at letu.edu  Thu May 18 22:49:51 2000
From: roedelm at letu.edu (Mark Roedel)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:49:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users to a private list with no confirmation..
In-Reply-To: <39241E36.6C4E1B0A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <NDBBIALNGJHAHECIAMGPEEEFHGAA.roedelm@letu.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Francisco Hernandez
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:46 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding users to a private list with no
> confirmation..
>
>
> ive got a list of several thousand emails.. i need to send..
> i installed mailman and its working.. but then in the Privacy
> Options menu it lists What steps are required for subscription?
> it says i *need* a confirmation.. how could i add members to a
> list.. but not have to make them confirm the addition to the
> list..

Assuming you're the list admin, you can add them using the "Membership
Management" screen.

If you want to be particularly stealthy, you can even tell it "no" on the
"Send a welcome message to this batch?" question, and they won't even
receive a notice that they've been added.

If shell-prompt access is available, you can do the same thing using
add_members in your MailMan bin directory.


---
Mark Roedel             |  "Blessed is he who has learned to laugh
Systems Programmer      |   at himself, for he shall never cease
LeTourneau University   |   to be entertained."
Longview, Texas, USA    |                           -- John Powell




From smead at amplepower.com  Fri May 19 00:09:39 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:09:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation/permission troubles..
In-Reply-To: <200005182115.e4ILFea27179@permanently.misplaced.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005181509190.32377-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Here's where my systems has paths.

/home/mailman/bin/paths.py
/home/mailman/bin/paths.pyc
/home/mailman/scripts/paths.py
/home/mailman/cron/paths.py
/home/mailman/cron/paths.pyc


Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Thu, 18 May 100, Chad Day wrote:

> This is with the 2.0 beta..
> 
> >From my httpd.conf:
> 
> <VirtualHost 208.246.80.201>
>         ServerAdmin cday at beachassociates.com
>         DocumentRoot /home/cday/public_html
>         ServerName www.online-leagues.com
>         ErrorLog /home/cday/error_log
>         CustomLog /home/cday/access_log common
>         ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
>         Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> </VirtualHost>
> 
> 
> Check_perms:
> 
> [root at vw2 mailman-2.0beta2]# bin/check_perms 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 35, in ?
>     import paths
> ImportError: No module named paths
> 
> 
> and my apache error_log..
> 
> [Thu May 18 16:08:48 2000] [error] [client 24.28.207.66] Directory index forbidden by rule: /home/mailman/archives/public/
> [Thu May 18 16:09:35 2000] [error] [client 24.28.207.66] Directory index forbidden by rule: /home/mailman/archives/public/
> [Thu May 18 16:09:44 2000] [error] [client 24.28.207.66] attempt to invoke directory as script: /home/mailman/cgi-bin
> [Thu May 18 16:09:57 2000] [error] [client 24.28.207.66] Directory index forbidden by rule: /home/mailman/archives/public/
> 
> 
> Any ideas?  I'm totally stuck :(
> 
> Chad
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From saille at bleah.com  Fri May 19 01:36:59 2000
From: saille at bleah.com (Saille Warner Norton)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:36:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden Delivery errors
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000518161844.00accd60@pop.ipac.caltech.edu>

Help!

I'm running mailman 1.1 on Linux, and suddenly started encountering several 
errors, on all my lists. I've been running problem free for 6 months. Can 
someone help me decipher the following error messages?

Error Msg #1:

The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
------ |/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post cbcell ------
Traceback (innermost last):
File "/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 66, in ?
Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(to_addrs, from_addr, text, queue_id)
File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 222, in 
TrySMTPDelivery
from Mailman.pythonlib import smtplib
File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", 
line 45, in ?
import rfc822
ImportError: No module named rfc822
------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------

This message gets through, and is archived.


Error Msg #2:

The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
------ |/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post tcell ------
Traceback (innermost last):
File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", 
line 237, in ArchiveMail
h.processUnixMailbox(f, HyperArch.Article)
File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", 
line 387, in processUnixMailbox
self.add_article(a) # Add the article
File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", 
line 846, in add_article
article.subject)
File 
"/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", 
line 296, in getOldestArticle
self.__openIndices(archive)
File 
"/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", 
line 242, in __openIndices
t=DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive+'-'+i))
File 
"/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", 
line 59, in __init__
self.lock()
File 
"/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", 
line 75, in lock
self.lockfile.lock()
File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, 
in lock
os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/archives/private/tcell/database/2000-May-date.lock.blueness.alife.org.17995'
------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------

This message gets through, but is not archived.

Another SA moved my mailman directories to a different disk. I'm not sure 
how this could cause these errors. I have recompiled the source, but that 
didn't fix the problem. I'm not aware of any other system changes.

Ideas?

Thanks ahead of time for the help!

Saille




From smead at amplepower.com  Fri May 19 02:23:37 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:23:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden Delivery errors
In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000518161844.00accd60@pop.ipac.caltech.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005181657080.729-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Saille,

In the first case, it looks like Python can't find the module rfc822.  Did
it go away, or get permissions changed?

The second case isn't quite so clear but it looks like it tried to unlink
a file that didn't exist - and wasn't very graceful about it.

I'd bet some permissions have been changed somewhere.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Saille Warner Norton wrote:

> Help!
> 
> I'm running mailman 1.1 on Linux, and suddenly started encountering several 
> errors, on all my lists. I've been running problem free for 6 months. Can 
> someone help me decipher the following error messages?
> 
> Error Msg #1:
> 
> The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
> ------ |/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post cbcell ------
> Traceback (innermost last):
> File "/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 66, in ?
> Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(to_addrs, from_addr, text, queue_id)
> File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 222, in 
> TrySMTPDelivery
> from Mailman.pythonlib import smtplib
> File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", 
> line 45, in ?
> import rfc822
> ImportError: No module named rfc822
> ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------
> 
> This message gets through, and is archived.
> 
> 
> Error Msg #2:
> 
> The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
> ------ |/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post tcell ------
> Traceback (innermost last):
> File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", 
> line 237, in ArchiveMail
> h.processUnixMailbox(f, HyperArch.Article)
> File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", 
> line 387, in processUnixMailbox
> self.add_article(a) # Add the article
> File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", 
> line 846, in add_article
> article.subject)
> File 
> "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", 
> line 296, in getOldestArticle
> self.__openIndices(archive)
> File 
> "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", 
> line 242, in __openIndices
> t=DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive+'-'+i))
> File 
> "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", 
> line 59, in __init__
> self.lock()
> File 
> "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", 
> line 75, in lock
> self.lockfile.lock()
> File "/disk2/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, 
> in lock
> os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
> '/domains/reweaving.org/mailman/archives/private/tcell/database/2000-May-date.lock.blueness.alife.org.17995'
> ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------
> 
> This message gets through, but is not archived.
> 
> Another SA moved my mailman directories to a different disk. I'm not sure 
> how this could cause these errors. I have recompiled the source, but that 
> didn't fix the problem. I'm not aware of any other system changes.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Thanks ahead of time for the help!
> 
> Saille
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From donovan at technodada.com  Fri May 19 03:27:19 2000
From: donovan at technodada.com (Donovan Arellano)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:27:19 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005181725510.7974-110000@grumpy.technodada.com>

I am having a really bad day and could you any insite to this
problem...you know the idea...an extra pair of eyes never hurts. TIA

_______________________________________________________________________
|Donovan Arellano               ===>            donovan at technodada.com|
|http://www.technodada.com/~donovan          http://www.technodada.com|
|PGP keyid 0xDCFD03FE available from http://seattle.keyserver.net     |
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:12:48 -0800 (AKDT)
From: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON at technodada.com>
To: donovan at technodada.com
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

This is the Postfix program at host grumpy.technodada.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please contact <postmaster at technodada.com>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

			The Postfix program

<apulug-ops at technodada.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post apulug-ops"

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From donovan at technodada.com  Fri May 19 03:39:28 2000
From: donovan at technodada.com (Donovan Arellano)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:39:28 -0800 (AKDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005181725510.7974-110000@grumpy.technodada.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005181736230.7974-100000@grumpy.technodada.com>

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Donovan Arellano wrote:

> I am having a really bad day and could you any insite to this
> problem...you know the idea...an extra pair of eyes never hurts. TIA
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________
> |Donovan Arellano               ===>            donovan at technodada.com|
> |http://www.technodada.com/~donovan          http://www.technodada.com|
> |PGP keyid 0xDCFD03FE available from http://seattle.keyserver.net     |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
<TRIM>
> 
> 			The Postfix program
> 
> <apulug-ops at technodada.com>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post apulug-ops"
> 

I suppose some info on what I am running would help ....

mailman 1.1...
python 1.5.2?<latest stable>
postfix <latest stable>
apache <latest stable>

TIA




From willd at p-wave.com  Fri May 19 04:50:11 2000
From: willd at p-wave.com (Will Dennis)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:50:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ./configure error (gcc doesn't work)
Message-ID: <NEBBJFIAOKGFINBNLIKAGEBICAAA.willd@p-wave.com>

Hello all,

Not really a Mailman issue, but there may be someone on this list who can
help.

When I run ./configure (mailman-2.0beta2), I get the following error:
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot
create executables.

As I'm not a C programmer (or any programmer, really), I don't know how to
fix this problem. What exactly is ./configure doing when it checks whether
gcc works?

System is running RedHat 6.1, egcs-1.1.2-24 installed (& .rpm verifies
clean.)

Thanks for any help provided, and sorry for off-topic posting.

Will Dennis
willd at p-wave.com




From smead at amplepower.com  Fri May 19 05:34:17 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ./configure error (gcc doesn't work)
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJFIAOKGFINBNLIKAGEBICAAA.willd@p-wave.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005182033480.3119-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Will,

Did you install the C development suite when you installed RedHat?

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Will Dennis wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Not really a Mailman issue, but there may be someone on this list who can
> help.
> 
> When I run ./configure (mailman-2.0beta2), I get the following error:
> checking for gcc... gcc
> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot
> create executables.
> 
> As I'm not a C programmer (or any programmer, really), I don't know how to
> fix this problem. What exactly is ./configure doing when it checks whether
> gcc works?
> 
> System is running RedHat 6.1, egcs-1.1.2-24 installed (& .rpm verifies
> clean.)
> 
> Thanks for any help provided, and sorry for off-topic posting.
> 
> Will Dennis
> willd at p-wave.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Fri May 19 07:01:54 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:01:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ./configure error (gcc doesn't work)
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F80E2@email.cu-portland.edu>

99% chance that you don't have 'glibc-devel' installed on your system.
Check that with 'rpm -q glibc-devel', and if it's not there install it from
the CD or redhat's FTP site.
	Greg
[snip]



From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri May 19 13:39:13 2000
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:39:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0b3 *-admin and *-request error; posting OK...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005190732010.14516-100000@alb-net.com>

Hello,

Just upgraded to the latest CVS and some problems started.

No message is delivered to <listname>-admin@ and <listname>-request@ . I
get the "unknown mailer error 1". 

However, at the same time messages are being distributed OK.

I'll appreciate a quick response....

later,
Mentor




From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri May 19 13:41:30 2000
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:41:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0b3 aproval problem
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005190739390.14516-100000@alb-net.com>

Also, this is the error I get when approving messages....

"TypeError: unexpected keyword argument: newdata"

Thanks for any help!
later,
Mentor





From thiyagu at siptech.co.in  Fri May 19 18:29:04 2000
From: thiyagu at siptech.co.in (V Thiyagarajan (Sysadmin))
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:59:04 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Needed!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005190739390.14516-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005192132060.20608-100000@tulip.siptech.co.in>

Hi,

I require some basic helps from u for mailman.

How do i use mailman? 

I have installed the mailman & python on Solaris 2.x Intel.  Apache is
also running.


when connect the server ( http://192.168.64.X/ )  by netscape browser i'm
able to view the "INDEX OF /" -- is it the should i get first?

if not how do i set?

And I have created a list named Test.  but i couldn't subscribe..

Please any one help me to setup the mailman properly....

Thanks

Raj.








From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri May 19 16:35:59 2000
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0b3 *-admin and *-request error; posting OK...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005190732010.14516-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005191033520.14516-100000@alb-net.com>

Some additional info:

When sending to <listname>-request@, I get this message:
"TypeError: not enough arguments; expected 1, got 0"

When sending to <listname>-admin@, I get this:
"AttributeError: recips"


Any help will be greatly appreciated!

thanks,
mentor

On Fri, 19 May 2000, at 07:39, Mentor Cana wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Just upgraded to the latest CVS and some problems started.
> 
> No message is delivered to <listname>-admin@ and <listname>-request@ . I
> get the "unknown mailer error 1". 
> 
> However, at the same time messages are being distributed OK.
> 
> I'll appreciate a quick response....
> 
> later,
> Mentor
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





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From: Ryan Fife <fife at anywhereYouGo.com>
To: "Shane Y. Gibson" <sgibson at digitalimpact.com>
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Sorry for the delay - was losing money in vegas on a vacation...

I haven't done anything that involved, but my quick glance at the code
says you should use a HeadlessDocument instead of a document, then you
can modify the listinfo script to drop in your own head, body, and
closing tags...if your server does ssi, I don't see a reason you couldn't
drop the include directives in there.

wow, we are really stretching my python and mailman knowledge here...so
hope this helps!  (btw, I'm basing all this off 1.1...may be different
in 2...)

On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 09:31:07AM -0700, Shane Y. Gibson wrote:
> 
> Ryan,
> 
> Thanks for the reply!  I must profess that MailMan is my
> first bit of exposure to Python, so I'm a veritable 'babe
> in the woods' here.  Would it be possible to get a quick
> pointer what I should modify to do the following:
> 
>   1.	remove the <html>, <head>, and <body> tags
>   2.	replace them with (preferably via an 'include' type
> 	call) my own HTML
>   3.	remove the trailing </body> and </html> tags
>   4.	again, replace them with my own
> 
> I just want it to look like the rest of the modified HTML
> for the system.  It currently looks silly to go from our Corp.
> intranet, to the standard ListInfo page, then to the modified
> list pages that look like our intranet site!
> 
> v/r
> Shane
> 
> mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> 
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customize "listinfo" HTML
> > Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:03:06 -0500
> > From: Ryan Fife <fife at anywhereYouGo.com>
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > References: <3919DBD6.34945C9F at digitalimpact.com>
> > 
> > It isn't templatized yet...you have to edit the python file:
> > 
> > Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py
> > 
> > and change the tag information there.  Tis a pain, but I haven't
> > complained because I haven't done anything to fix it yet!  :)
> 
> --
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From framling at sch.bme.hu  Fri May 19 18:23:02 2000
From: framling at sch.bme.hu (<framling> Barton Andras)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:23:02 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't change any setting on the /admin web page
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005191822430.1874-100000@balu>

Hello!

I can not change any setting on my list through the web based control box.

After modifying  eg: the header of the list (non digest members) mailman
redirect me to the page where the password has to be entered, and does not
make the change.

Any suggestions?

The other lists running on this server are working well.


Andras Barton
(Hungary)

sziakoszi
		framling

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From smead at amplepower.com  Fri May 19 19:39:16 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:39:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Needed!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005192132060.20608-100000@tulip.siptech.co.in>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005191037520.7912-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Raj,

You need to have Apache configured and working solid before you attempt to
use mailman.  Mailman only affects a small part of the Apache config, but
unless you have the rest of the config for Apache done properly, you won't
be able to get mailman working.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Fri, 19 May 2000, V Thiyagarajan (Sysadmin) wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I require some basic helps from u for mailman.
> 
> How do i use mailman? 
> 
> I have installed the mailman & python on Solaris 2.x Intel.  Apache is
> also running.
> 
> 
> when connect the server ( http://192.168.64.X/ )  by netscape browser i'm
> able to view the "INDEX OF /" -- is it the should i get first?
> 
> if not how do i set?
> 
> And I have created a list named Test.  but i couldn't subscribe..
> 
> Please any one help me to setup the mailman properly....
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Raj.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From pjh at mccc.edu  Fri May 19 20:13:38 2000
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:13:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are the messages stored while awaiting adminb approval?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005191412270.5417-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

Where are messages that need administrative approval stored
before admin action occurs?

Thanks,
Pete




From bas at brijn.nu  Fri May 19 20:44:52 2000
From: bas at brijn.nu (Bas Rijniersce)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:44:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive problem with MM 1.1
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005192038550.26477-100000@brijn.nu>

Hello,

During a cleanup I removed the Archive directorie without switching off
the archive option for a list (I think that's the cause of my problem, but
i could be wrong).
Since then the subscribers to one list always get the following messages
when they send one to the list:

.... 
Subj: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
In body:
>     Child process of list_transport transport returned 1 from command:
   >     /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
....

This problem started suddenly. In logs/error
....
May 19 19:41:51 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
post:      mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1367, in Post
post:      self.Save()
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 799, in Save
post:      self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 277,
in Ch
post:      makelink(privdir, pubdir)
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56,
in mak
post:      reraise()
post:   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52,
in mak
post:      os.symlink(old, new)
post: os . error :  (2, 'No such file or directory') 
....

I can't find what symlink is missing. I tried to switch of the archive
option using the web interface afterwards but that generates the same
error.
Any suggestions are welcome (and i'll be moving to 2.0 soon :)

Bas

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Oude Telgterweg 81                   Fax +31 341 562940
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From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri May 19 21:14:03 2000
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:14:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0beta2: missing messages in the archives
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005191510520.14516-100000@alb-net.com>

Hello,

I do recall that 2.0beta2 had an issue with not putting the "From " line
when archiving the message....

This seems to be fixed in current CVS. However, the current CVS has other
problems with approval and sending to -admin and -request addresses. 

Can someone let me know which revised file from the current CVS I need to
fix this problem?

thanks,
Mentor




From kd5de at nwla.com  Sat May 20 23:06:53 2000
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:06:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Work Around
Message-ID: <3926FE6D.416B2B7A@nwla.com>

I have a classic wrapper problem. I have a client that wants
to keep an Mojordomo list alive as is as well as use
mailman. Of course we know that there can be a wrapper link
to only one wrapper in /etc/smrsh is there a work around.
							Mel
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From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sun May 21 04:13:34 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:13:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Work Around
In-Reply-To: <3926FE6D.416B2B7A@nwla.com>
References: <3926FE6D.416B2B7A@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <20000520221334.A26257@xcski.com>

Quoting Mel Sojka (kd5de at nwla.com):
> I have a classic wrapper problem. I have a client that wants
> to keep an Mojordomo list alive as is as well as use
> mailman. Of course we know that there can be a wrapper link
> to only one wrapper in /etc/smrsh is there a work around.

No problem.  Make a link from /home/mailman/mail/wrapper to
/etc/smrsh/mm_wrapper, and then change all your aliases to point to
/etc/smrsh/mm_wrapper instead of /home/mailman/mail/wrapper.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Real computer scientists despise the idea of actual hardware.  Hardware
has limitations, software doesn't.  It's a real shame that Turing
machines are so poor at I/O.



From fricike at kkovacs.cx  Sun May 21 16:17:02 2000
From: fricike at kkovacs.cx (Frigyes Peter Kovacs)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:17:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What to do?
Message-ID: <20000521161701.A675@flagship.kovacs>

HI!

Please, help me!

I've just setted up Mailman 2.0b, but I think I made some mistakes, 
becouse if I type "http://www.mjag.sulinet.hu/mailman/listinfo/test"
in the browser's line I get the attached file, and I don't know what to 
do, what to do!?

Thanx : fricike

-- 
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From mjt at tls.msk.ru  Sun May 21 16:39:48 2000
From: mjt at tls.msk.ru (Michael Tokarev)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:39:48 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What to do?
References: <20000521161701.A675@flagship.kovacs>
Message-ID: <3927F534.37507747@tls.msk.ru>

Frigyes Peter Kovacs wrote:
> 
> HI!
> 
> Please, help me!
> 
> I've just setted up Mailman 2.0b, but I think I made some mistakes,
> becouse if I type "http://www.mjag.sulinet.hu/mailman/listinfo/test"
> in the browser's line I get the attached file, and I don't know what to
> do, what to do!?

>From that url:
> Python information:
>
>      Variable       Value
> sys.version         1.5.1 (#1, Dec 17 1998, 20:58:15) [GCC 2.7.2.3
                         ^^^
You need to upgrade python.  Mailman will not work with 1.5.1, only 1.5.2
onwards.  This is covered in the faq and install documents.

> Thanx : fricike
> 

Regards,
  Michael.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sun May 21 17:11:21 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:11:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting MIME on a mail list.
Message-ID: <p0431010db54dac8f50b3@[209.239.169.197]>

I ran into this last night -- it looks like an interesting tool for 
people who want to limit the kinds of mime published on a list, 
without going to a tool like de-mime and taking mime out of the 
system completely...

(but I ahven't tested it yet)

<http://mailtools.anomy.net/>

chuq
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From gilmanb at dipswitch.penguinpowered.com  Sun May 21 17:40:41 2000
From: gilmanb at dipswitch.penguinpowered.com (Brian)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:40:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [newbie]Need help with mailman on Linux
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005211136490.14423-100000@dipswitch.penguinpowered.com>

Hello all!

	I followed the instructions for mailman, set up "test" and then
opened my web browser to find this error message:

--------------------------------Snip-----------------------------------
	Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/error'


-----------------------------/snip---------------------------------


I am not a python programmer but, reading these entries, I think that
mailman may not have the proper permissions to write to either syslog or
/home/mailman/logs??

Is this a correct assumption?? If so, how can I fix this? 

Thanks in advance!

					Brian



---------------------------------
Brian Gilman		
Scientific Programmer
WhiteHead Institute 
MIT




From smead at amplepower.com  Sun May 21 20:04:48 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What to do?
In-Reply-To: <20000521161701.A675@flagship.kovacs>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005211104300.29651-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

You need to upgrade Pyton to 1.5.2 or better.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Sun, 21 May 2000, Frigyes Peter Kovacs wrote:

> HI!
> 
> Please, help me!
> 
> I've just setted up Mailman 2.0b, but I think I made some mistakes, 
> becouse if I type "http://www.mjag.sulinet.hu/mailman/listinfo/test"
> in the browser's line I get the attached file, and I don't know what to 
> do, what to do!?
> 
> Thanx : fricike
> 
> -- 
> 'Linux community', 'Sweet Reggae Music' and 'Blue Angels' 4ever!
> 
>                                           Frigyes Peter Kovacs
>                                            fricike at kkovacs.cx
>                                          Tel: (+36) 20 99-25-729
> 




From smead at amplepower.com  Sun May 21 20:08:10 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:08:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [newbie]Need help with mailman on Linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005211136490.14423-100000@dipswitch.penguinpowered.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005211107100.29651-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

Brian,

It's a permission problem with the mailman user.  The install instructions
say what to do to get those permission right.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Sun, 21 May 2000, Brian wrote:

> Hello all!
> 
> 	I followed the instructions for mailman, set up "test" and then
> opened my web browser to find this error message:
> 
> --------------------------------Snip-----------------------------------
> 	Bug in Mailman version 1.1
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
> this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks! 
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main
>     immediate=1)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in
> __init__
>     Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
>     self.__get_f()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
>     reraise()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
>     f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/error'
> 
> 
> -----------------------------/snip---------------------------------
> 
> 
> I am not a python programmer but, reading these entries, I think that
> mailman may not have the proper permissions to write to either syslog or
> /home/mailman/logs??
> 
> Is this a correct assumption?? If so, how can I fix this? 
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> 					Brian
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Brian Gilman		
> Scientific Programmer
> WhiteHead Institute 
> MIT
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From gilmanb at dipswitch.penguinpowered.com  Mon May 22 03:53:53 2000
From: gilmanb at dipswitch.penguinpowered.com (Brian)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:53:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [newbie]Need help with mailman on Linux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005211107100.29651-100000@henry.amplepower.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005212153340.17175-100000@dipswitch.penguinpowered.com>

Thanks!!

	That was really stupid of me! 

				Brian

---------------------------------
Brian Gilman		
Scientific Programmer
WhiteHead Institute 
MIT

On Sun, 21 May 2000, David Smead wrote:

> Brian,
> 
> It's a permission problem with the mailman user.  The install instructions
> say what to do to get those permission right.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> David Smead
> http://www.amplepower.com.
> http://www.ampletech.com.
> 
> On Sun, 21 May 2000, Brian wrote:
> 
> > Hello all!
> > 
> > 	I followed the instructions for mailman, set up "test" and then
> > opened my web browser to find this error message:
> > 
> > --------------------------------Snip-----------------------------------
> > 	Bug in Mailman version 1.1
> > 
> > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> > 
> > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
> > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> > happened. Thanks! 
> > 
> > Traceback:
> > 
> > 
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main
> >     immediate=1)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in
> > __init__
> >     Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
> >     self.__get_f()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
> >     reraise()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
> >     f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/error'
> > 
> > 
> > -----------------------------/snip---------------------------------
> > 
> > 
> > I am not a python programmer but, reading these entries, I think that
> > mailman may not have the proper permissions to write to either syslog or
> > /home/mailman/logs??
> > 
> > Is this a correct assumption?? If so, how can I fix this? 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > 
> > 					Brian
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > Brian Gilman		
> > Scientific Programmer
> > WhiteHead Institute 
> > MIT
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From pehr at pehr.net  Mon May 22 09:44:08 2000
From: pehr at pehr.net (pehr anderson)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 03:44:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Zope + Apache + Mailman
Message-ID: <3928E548.3AEBED1D@pehr.net>

Dear Mailmen,

I've been studying this all weekend and finally, *finally* 
understood enough to get it to work.

I wanted to proxypass both sites into zope,
however I needed access to CGI scripts and images
to run mailman.  I had to find the appropriate
rewrite rule to allow this to work.

The zope Zserver serves pages on port 8080.
Apache has the ability to proxy this on port 80
either through "ProxyPass x y" which gives you very
little control or through "RewriteRule x y [proxy]"
which gives you tremendous control.

In zope I have two SiteAcess objects.
One at the root, says "http://morseall.org", "/"
and the other inside /osm says "http://osm.cx", "/"


This worked with the following configuration:
    Redhat Linux 6.2
	apache-1.3.12-2.i386.rpm
	Zope-2.1.6-1.i386.rpm
	Zope-zserver-2.1.6-1.i386.rpm


# added to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

ScriptAlias /mailman/ 	"/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
Alias 	    /pipermail/	"/home/mailman/archives/public/"


<VirtualHost 24.218.234.247>
	ServerName osm.cx
	RewriteEngine On
	RewriteOptions 'inherit'
	RewriteRule ^/icons(.*)  	- [last]
	RewriteRule ^/mailman(.*)  	- [last]
	RewriteRule ^/pipermail(.*)	- [last]
	RewriteRule ^/(.*)$ 		http://localhost:8080/osm/$1 [proxy]
	ProxyPassReverse / 		http://localhost:8080/osm/
	ProxyPass 	 /p_		http://localhost:8080/p_
	ProxyPass	 /misc_		http://localhost:8080/misc_
</VirtualHost>


<VirtualHost 24.218.234.247>
	ServerName morseall.org
	RewriteEngine On
	RewriteOptions 'inherit'
	RewriteRule ^/icons(.*)  	- [last]
	RewriteRule ^/mailman(.*)  	- [last]
	RewriteRule ^/pipermail(.*)	- [last]
	RewriteRule ^/(.*)$ 		http://localhost:8080/$1 [proxy]
	ProxyPassReverse /		http://localhost:8080/
</VirtualHost>



From hill_kathryn at hotmail.com  Mon May 22 22:19:14 2000
From: hill_kathryn at hotmail.com (Kathryn Hill)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:19:14 PDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix
Message-ID: <20000522201914.98618.qmail@hotmail.com>

I am trying to set up Mailman 2.0beta2 on a Redhat 6.1 server using Postfix 
19991231 pl07.  I also have python 1.5.2-7 installed.  I haven't succeeded 
in getting everything to work together.  I can send and receive mail using 
postfix but I can't seem to get mailman to send auto responses when I create 
a newlist.  (I have also copied the aliases into the file 
/home/mailman/aliases and run newaliases.)  In fact, the only way that I can 
get mailman to accept mail (without giving the failure to execute script 
error) is to compile mailman --with-mail-gid=99.  But I still do not receive 
any subscription info from mailman.

Postfix's gid is 505 and Mailman is 501, when I compile mailman with either 
of those, it gives the error to try re-compiling with 99...  Have I totally 
missed something in the setup steps??  Are there permissions set wrong?

If anyone's got experience or ideas on fixing my setup, I would love to hear 
from you.  Thanks
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com




From hknief at auctionwatch.com  Mon May 22 22:41:14 2000
From: hknief at auctionwatch.com (Herman Knief)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix
Message-ID: <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD011CEFE3@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com>

if you're using postfix, you need to use the "postalias <location of alias
file>" command rather than the newaliases.

 - Herman

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kathryn Hill [mailto:hill_kathryn at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:19 PM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix
>
>
>I am trying to set up Mailman 2.0beta2 on a Redhat 6.1 server 
>using Postfix 
>19991231 pl07.  I also have python 1.5.2-7 installed.  I 
>haven't succeeded 
>in getting everything to work together.  I can send and 
>receive mail using 
>postfix but I can't seem to get mailman to send auto responses 
>when I create 
>a newlist.  (I have also copied the aliases into the file 
>/home/mailman/aliases and run newaliases.)  In fact, the only 
>way that I can 
>get mailman to accept mail (without giving the failure to 
>execute script 
>error) is to compile mailman --with-mail-gid=99.  But I still 
>do not receive 
>any subscription info from mailman.
>
>Postfix's gid is 505 and Mailman is 501, when I compile 
>mailman with either 
>of those, it gives the error to try re-compiling with 99...  
>Have I totally 
>missed something in the setup steps??  Are there permissions set wrong?
>
>If anyone's got experience or ideas on fixing my setup, I 
>would love to hear 
>from you.  Thanks
>_______________________________________________________________
>_________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at 
>http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



From jim at cosource.com  Tue May 23 00:19:56 2000
From: jim at cosource.com (Jim Hebert)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:19:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Zope + Apache + Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3928E548.3AEBED1D@pehr.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005221717250.1753-100000@ray.compu-aid.com>

At the risk of posting something embarrassingly broken, here's what Works
For Us: ;-)

(My mailer propably will wrap some of these lines. Your paths will be
different. Yadda Yadda.)

    RewriteEngine on
    RewriteRule ^/static/(.*)   /home/httpd/html/$1 [l]
    #RewriteRule ^/images/(.*)   /home/httpd/images/$1 [l]
    #RewriteRule ^/icons/(.*)   /home/httpd/icons/$1 [l]
    RewriteRule ^/pipermail/(.*) /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/$1 [l]
    RewriteRule ^/cgi-bin/(.*)  /home/httpd/cgi-bin/$1
[e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l]
    RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/$1
[e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l]
    RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization}  ^(.*)
    RewriteRule ^/(.*) /home/httpd/cgi-bin/Zope/$1
[e=HTTP_CGI_AUTHORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l]

I have no idea if this covers some corner case better or worse. =) 

I believe this comes from some example I found via zope.org but could be
wrong.

Best,
jim

-- 
Jim Hebert                                       http://www.cosource.com/
jim at cosource.com          The cooperative market for open source software

"Well actually I was considering opening a market in flying pigs. Mostly
because it would be more practical...." -- Alan Cox






From marouni at earlham.edu  Tue May 23 01:49:40 2000
From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nicholas Marouf)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:49:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupid Q
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005221845480.31061-100000@yang.earlham.edu>

Hi,
	I am testing mailman out, and running into error with the mail
wrapper. I get this error message after I try to send an email to
example-request at server.com


The original message was received at Mon, 22 May 2000 18:45:09 -0500 from
user at localhost
 
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sysadmins"
    (expanded from: <sysadmins-request at user.com>)
 
   ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for
sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd sysadmins"...
Service unavailable
                                                                           

I am running it on a RH6.2 distro. when I compile I include the 
./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody  

has anyone run into this problem.

thanks

Nick





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue May 23 02:22:17 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:22:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupid Q
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005221845480.31061-100000@yang.earlham.edu>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005221845480.31061-100000@yang.earlham.edu>
Message-ID: <20000522202217.A14551@xcski.com>

Quoting Nicholas Marouf (marouni at earlham.edu):
> has anyone run into this problem.

So many people have run into this problem that it's mentioned in the
installation documents.  Try reading them.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
<<<You've got to love a newsreader with a menu option named "Kill this Author".
<<Does it work? And if so, is the death traceable?
<Nah, but Dave the Resurrector will just bring 'em back again.



From pjh at mccc.edu  Tue May 23 02:25:00 2000
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:25:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where ????
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005222024200.16809-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

Where are messages pending administrative approval stored?

Thanks,
Pete




From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue May 23 03:23:39 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:23:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where ????
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005222024200.16809-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>; from Pete Holsberg on Mon, May 22, 2000 at 08:25:00PM -0400
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005222024200.16809-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <20000522202339.F3124@mallorn.com>

> Where are messages pending administrative approval stored?

In $prefix/lists/[listname]/config.db, with the other list information.

Chris



From gmunsey at punkalunka.org  Tue May 23 03:34:49 2000
From: gmunsey at punkalunka.org (Grant Munsey)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:34:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fought my way through an install ... Mailman is soooo cool
Message-ID: <IIEBJIKMHNMFBJCIMDGHAEMFCBAA.gmunsey@punkalunka.org>

It took all day (I had to make every possible mistake) but I got
Mailman running on my server.

It's sooo cool. Thanks for all the hard work guys and gals !

Cheers,
Grant Munsey, Adobe Systems
<gmunsey at adobe.com> 408.536.4438




From palsina at chasque.net  Mon May 22 22:49:00 2000
From: palsina at chasque.net (Pablo Alsina)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:49:00 +0300 (GMT-3)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SMTPDirect / Security Bug?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005222243280.803-100000@obiwan.paullier.net>

Hi!
	First off all, I want to congratulate all Mailman developers, they
are doing a great job!! I'm trying to find something to replace my old
majordomo, and Mailman seems like an excelent alternative.

	I've installed Mailman and I have been using it for several
months with small lists without problems. But a few weeks ago I ported a
3000+ subscriber list from majordomo to Mailman, and it is not working
yet.

	Using SMTPDirect as delivery module just times out, not sending
any mail out. I used Sendmail as MTA, and saw a few messages on this board
suggesting that Postfix was faster, so I replaced sendmail with Postfix.

	Using Postfix and SMTPDirect the results are the same. After some
minutes, the browsers says "Document contained no data" and Postfix says
"lost connection after RCPT from ...". I tried to limit the ceiling on the
numbers of recipients on a single SMPT transaction (SMTP_MAX_RCPTS) but it
is seems like it is not used anywhere in the code (is that OK?). Any
suggestion on this will be apreciated.

	So I tried using Postfix and Sendmail.py as delivery module. It
made the delivery to aprox. 30% of the list, and then hit a bug with
"SendmailHandlerError: 127". After several hours of logswatching, I saw
that one of the recipients was an email like 'ping&pong at host.name.com',
including the &, but postfix received only 'ping' as recipient of the
mail.

	Looking at the code, I see that the recipient list is not
sanatized before invoking the shell. Unless I'm wrong, one could subscribe
an 'larry;command_here;@none.com' and make the command_here to get
executed!

	I'm going to try to patch the Sendmail.py to put each recipient
between '' to avoid shell expansion. Hope that will do.

Best regards
	Pablo





From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue May 23 10:30:11 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:30:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SMTPDirect / Security Bug? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Pablo Alsina <palsina@chasque.net> 
   of "Mon, 22 May 2000 23:49:00 +0300." <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005222243280.803-100000@obiwan.paullier.net> 
Message-ID: <E12uA4p-0000KA-00@rioja.localnet>

palsina at chasque.net said:
> Using SMTPDirect as delivery module just times out, not sending any
> mail out. I used Sendmail as MTA, and saw a few messages on this board
> suggesting that Postfix was faster, so I replaced sendmail with
> Postfix. 

You are running a SMTP daemon on 127.0.0.1 [or actually on whatever 
address SMTPHOST is set to]?

If you telnet to that address/port do you see the initial SMTP banner 
in a reasonable length of time?  Can you then go through the basic SMTP 
commands that would be used for sending a message (HELO, MAIL FROM, 
RCPT TO) and have it turn those round in reasonable time?
Its most likely the MTA that is misconfigured - either not listening, 
or trying to verify everything and taking lots of time about it.


palsina at chasque.net said:
> Looking at the code, I see that the recipient list is not sanatized
> before invoking the shell. Unless I'm wrong, one could subscribe an
> 'larry;command_here;@none.com' and make the command_here to get
> executed!

Ugh.  I'm going to repeat my comment that I don't think Sendmail.py is 
ready for prime time.

> 	I'm going to try to patch the Sendmail.py to put each recipient
> between '' to avoid shell expansion. Hope that will do. 

It would be better not to shell at all - the argument list should be 
built up in python and then exec-ed across without a shell being 
involved (since a shell has nothing to contribute here except burning 
some CPU cycles and lousing up the argument lists.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From nagarjun at hbcse.tifr.res.in  Tue May 23 14:15:28 2000
From: nagarjun at hbcse.tifr.res.in (Nagarjuna G.)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:45:28 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface is giving problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005231740110.8582-100000@hbcse.tifr.res.in>

Hello

I and other 200 odd members who are subscribed to the list facing the
following problem with the web interface of mailman.

Whenever a change is made and applied it asks for the password, and does not
apply the changes at all. Presently the webinterface is not working at all.
Any known problems regarding this.

Nagarjuna

ourlist: linuxers at ilug-bom.org.in





From kirtg at micron.net  Tue May 23 16:54:57 2000
From: kirtg at micron.net (Kirt Ginner)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:54:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing from email without password
Message-ID: <00fc01bfc4c6$dd0abb60$3b0aa8c0@zxlaptop>

Does anyone know how a user can unsubscribe via email without using their password?
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue May 23 16:34:41 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:34:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing from email without password 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Kirt Ginner" <kirtg@micron.net> 
   of "Tue, 23 May 2000 08:54:57 MDT." <00fc01bfc4c6$dd0abb60$3b0aa8c0@zxlaptop> 
References: <00fc01bfc4c6$dd0abb60$3b0aa8c0@zxlaptop> 
Message-ID: <21961.959092481@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 23 May 2000 08:54:57 -0600 
Kirt Ginner <kirtg at micron.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know how a user can unsubscribe via email without
> using their password?  

They can't.  The password is required.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From mnorberto at campus.uoc.es  Tue May 23 16:57:51 2000
From: mnorberto at campus.uoc.es (Mireia Norberto i Bayona)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:57:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many users?
Message-ID: <001d01bfc4c7$44aba9a0$ad8a92c1@uoc.es>

Hi all!
I'm using Majordomo to manage an e-mail list with 17.000 adresses, and it
will grow until 40.000 (maybe).
Could Mailman pick up with this kind of lists?
Thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------
Mireia Norberto i Bayona
Universitat Oberta de Catalunya (www.uoc.es)
?rea de Sistemes d'Informaci?
e-mail: mnorberto at campus.uoc.es




From palsina at chasque.net  Tue May 23 11:14:56 2000
From: palsina at chasque.net (Pablo Alsina)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:14:56 +0300 (GMT-3)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SMTPDirect / Security Bug? 
In-Reply-To: <E12uA4p-0000KA-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005231200180.803-100000@obiwan.paullier.net>

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> palsina at chasque.net said:
> > Using SMTPDirect as delivery module just times out, not sending any
> > mail out. I used Sendmail as MTA, and saw a few messages on this board
> > suggesting that Postfix was faster, so I replaced sendmail with
> > Postfix. 
> 
> You are running a SMTP daemon on 127.0.0.1 [or actually on whatever 
> address SMTPHOST is set to]?
> 
> If you telnet to that address/port do you see the initial SMTP banner 
> in a reasonable length of time?  Can you then go through the basic SMTP 
> commands that would be used for sending a message (HELO, MAIL FROM, 
> RCPT TO) and have it turn those round in reasonable time?
> Its most likely the MTA that is misconfigured - either not listening, 
> or trying to verify everything and taking lots of time about it.

My SMTP daemon is running locally. SMTPHOST is set to the servers public
name and SMTPPORT is set to 25. Doing 'telnet [SMTPHOST] [SMTPPORT]'
connects in less than 1 second, and allows me to send mail out with no
delays.

Why is SMTP_MAX_RCPTS not used in the code? Shouln't this be a solution?

> > Looking at the code, I see that the recipient list is not sanatized
> > before invoking the shell. Unless I'm wrong, one could subscribe an
> > 'larry;command_here;@none.com' and make the command_here to get
> > executed!
> 
> Ugh.  I'm going to repeat my comment that I don't think Sendmail.py is 
> ready for prime time.

I would be happy not using it, but it seems like the only way to get the
it working. Is someone using MailMan and SMTPDirect to handle a 3000+
subs. mailing list with success?

Thanks for your help.
	Pablo




From HFolker at t-online.de  Tue May 23 17:12:02 2000
From: HFolker at t-online.de (Folker)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:12:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eine kleine Frage zu Python
Message-ID: <12uGLi-0kM7BAC@fwd06.sul.t-online.de>

 Hallo !

 Ich besch?ftige mich mit Python und Tkinter und habe eine Frage. Wie
 kann ich bei der Erzeugung eines Buttons mit dem command-Befehl eine
 Methode mit Argumenten aufrufen ohne sie sofort zu aktivieren? Sondern
 erst beim Dr?cken des Buttons.

 Mein spezielles Problem ist folgenderma?en:
 Ich erzeuge mit dem Grid-Manager "quasi" ein Schachbrettmuster und
 m?chte je nach Zeilen- und Spaltenlage eine etwas variierte Ausgabe
 machen. Aus diesem Grund mu? ich die beiden Argumente (Zeile, Spalte)
 genau w?hrend des Dr?ckens des Buttons ?bergeben.

 Danke im vorraus !

 Ciao Dirk Folker (hfolker at t-online.de)






From JeanVallery at BicycleMessenger.com  Tue May 23 17:41:12 2000
From: JeanVallery at BicycleMessenger.com (Jean Andre Vallery)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing from mailman via email
Message-ID: <20000523154113.1D53580B9@sitemail.everyone.net>

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From wrd at awenet.com  Tue May 23 18:03:11 2000
From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface is giving problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005231740110.8582-100000@hbcse.tifr.res.in>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0005230902420.21543-100000@awenet.com>

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nagarjuna G. wrote:

> I and other 200 odd members who are subscribed to the list facing the
> following problem with the web interface of mailman.
> 
> Whenever a change is made and applied it asks for the password, and does not
> apply the changes at all. Presently the webinterface is not working at all.
> Any known problems regarding this.

In 1.1, I get the same problem with IE, but not Netscape.  In 1.2b, I get
the same problem with both browsers.

-Bill


--
 William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968
 wrd at awenet.com   http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/  (PGP public key available)

     Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having
     to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?

					    - Douglas Adams




From bwarsaw at python.org  Tue May 23 18:41:28 2000
From: bwarsaw at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:41:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SMTPDirect / Security Bug? 
References: <E12uA4p-0000KA-00@rioja.localnet>
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.10005231200180.803-100000@obiwan.paullier.net>
Message-ID: <14634.46264.591001.472155@localhost.localdomain>

>>>>> "PA" == Pablo Alsina <palsina at chasque.net> writes:

    PA> Why is SMTP_MAX_RCPTS not used in the code? Shouln't this be a
    PA> solution?

I just forgot to include this when I re-implemented the delivery
modules.  I'll make sure that 2.0b3 adds back support for
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS.

-Barry



From gorg at sun1.imbi.uni-freiburg.de  Tue May 23 20:37:49 2000
From: gorg at sun1.imbi.uni-freiburg.de (Georg Koch)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:37:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to drop mail from non_members automatically?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 May 2000 12:00:06 EDT."
             <20000523160006.5B92B1CE33@dinsdale.python.org> 
Message-ID: <200005231837.UAA16363@sun6.imbi.uni-freiburg.de>

Is it possible to configure a list to just drop email from non_members 
without listowner intervention? 
(I'm using Mailman 2-0beta1 on Solaris7)

Best wishes
	Georg
-- 
--
In history books, wars start and end on well-defined dates.  But in
the lives of those who experience and survive the horrors and the
nightmares, the fears live on - not only to the end of those persons'
lives, but also into the lives of their children, and perhaps even
beyond that. (Liane Reif-Lehrer)
##
Georg Koch (koch at cochrane.de)            | Phone: +49 761 203 6710
German Cochrane Centre                   | Fax:   +49 761 203 6712
Mail: Institute of Medical Biometry and Medical Informatics
      Stefan-Meier-Strasse 26, D-79104 Freiburg, Germany





From palsina at chasque.net  Tue May 23 16:31:12 2000
From: palsina at chasque.net (Pablo Alsina)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:31:12 +0300 (GMT-3)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SMTPDirect / Security Bug? 
In-Reply-To: <14634.46264.591001.472155@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005231708060.803-100000@obiwan.paullier.net>

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> I just forgot to include this when I re-implemented the delivery
> modules.  I'll make sure that 2.0b3 adds back support for
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS.

I think that would be great. I resolved my problem raising the limit on
the RCPT per connection in the MTA configuration file (Postfix:
smtpd_recipient_limit), but as a general solution, it would be better if
Mailman honors its own limit.

Using ptrace to find out what was happening between Mailman and my MTA, I
saw that the MTA was replying with
	452 Error: too many recipients

So I think that Mailman does not end all the RCPT commands because the
connection between Mailman and the MTA closes (probably the MTA is closing
it after too many errors). As a general solution to this issue, Mailman
(smtplib really) should end sending RCPT commands if the MTA replies with
"too many recipients", and deliver the remaining recipients in another
connection.

Thanks for your help. I will be waiting for that 2.0b3!
	Pablo




From pwheeler at mbl.edu  Tue May 23 22:29:49 2000
From: pwheeler at mbl.edu (Patrick Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:29:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved Mailman - weird problem
Message-ID: <392AEA3D.4282CEB4@mbl.edu>

Ok, I searched the list archives and didn't find this one. I moved an
installation to a new host (from Solaris to Linux). I can see the
publicly available lists in the admin overview page, but not in the
listinfo page. The private lists are non-visible in both, as expected.

I also am getting the error below when I attempt to post to any of the
lists:

This is the Postfix program at host lists.mbl.edu.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please contact <postmaster at lists.mbl.edu>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

                        The Postfix program

<Win9x at lists.mbl.edu>: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post win9x"



-- 
Patrick Wheeler, Systems Administrator
Marine Biological Laboratory
7 MBL Street, Woods Hole, MA 02536
pwheeler at mbl.edu
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From jerrya at fastrans.net  Tue May 23 22:46:27 2000
From: jerrya at fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:46:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and AOLserver?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005231544250.30308-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

I looked through the archives, and can't find anything dealing with this
issue. I am possibly going to move from Apache to AOLserver. Has anyone
used mailman in this type of environment?

Any info or tips will be appreciated.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From webmaster at mail.hkat.net  Wed May 24 17:24:00 2000
From: webmaster at mail.hkat.net (hkatnet-webmaster)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:24:00 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM for mailman not sending out mail
Message-ID: <007501bfc594$21ffb0e0$7d9782ca@hkat.net>

I get having this problem

/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'

At first I can receive mail went creating a new list, but later after some
trial it doesn't work
Any suggestion ?

Thanks
Benedict




From webmaster at mail.hkat.net  Wed May 24 19:03:27 2000
From: webmaster at mail.hkat.net (hkatnet-webmaster)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:03:27 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list not sending out to reciepient
Message-ID: <007101bfc5a1$fb2e8640$7d9782ca@hkat.net>

New list create but no email is sending out.

Email stuck in qfiles any suggestion ?

Thank You




From zmorris at cisco.com  Wed May 24 21:37:08 2000
From: zmorris at cisco.com (Zac Morris)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:37:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ERROR: Message has implicit destination
Message-ID: <017001bfc5b7$733c6c50$c44346ab@zmorrisworkpc>

Can anyone help me with this error:

Message has implicit destination

I can not find this error anywhere in the documentation.

I try to send a message to my list email address and every time it is generating this error that requires admin approval of the message.

This is the header of the msg:

Received: from dhcp-3sjc10-171-70-67-196.cisco.com ([171.70.67.196] helo=zmorrisworkpc)
 by underworld.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1)
 id 12uguZ-0000XA-00
 for burningman at zacwolf.com; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:33:47 -0400
Message-ID: <013e01bfc5b6$54bbd960$c44346ab at zmorrisworkpc>
From: "Zac Morris \(Personal\)" <zac at zacwolf.com>
To: <burningman at zacwolf.com>
Subject: lets get this thing going



I've set:
=====

"Must posts be approved by an administrator?"  NO

"Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) " NO

"(Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones that seem to be administrative requests?"  NO

zac at zacwolf.com is the admin of the list and I've also used that address to 'subscribe' to the list.

I've even added: zac at zacwolf.com  to: "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement."



Any suggestions?
-Zac
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From mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Wed May 24 21:44:08 2000
From: mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Michael Rose)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000524124041.00b08d70@ag.arizona.edu>

Hello to all,

Recently we just changed over our servers and now we are having problems 
with mailman.  We have installed Mailman-1.1 but we still get these bounced 
messages.  I have included a copy of the bounced message below.  We were 
using Solaris 2.6 but are now using Solaris 2.8.  I have also installed 
Python 1.5.1.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank-you.

To: postmaster Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 2
The original message was received at Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
from localhost
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"
(expanded from: theclub-admin)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"... unknown 
mailer error 2
Reporting-MTA: dns; Ag.Arizona.Edu
Received-From-MTA: DNS; Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
Arrival-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
Final-Recipient: RFC822; theclub-admin at Ag.Arizona.Edu
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner 
theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:34 -0700 (MST)
Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON>
Received: from localhost (localhost)
by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with internal id MAB29599;
Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
Message-Id: <200005241936.MAB29599 at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
To: theclub-admin
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
boundary="MAB29599.959196993/Ag.Arizona.Edu"
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
The original message was received at Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
from Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.78]
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
(expanded from: <theclub>)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"... unknown mailer 
error 2
Reporting-MTA: dns; Ag.Arizona.Edu
Received-From-MTA: DNS; Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
Arrival-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
Final-Recipient: RFC822; theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post 
theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
Return-Path: <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
Received: from gator.ag.arizona.edu (Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu 
[128.196.42.78])
by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29598
for <theclub>; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000524123816.00b05d60 at ag.arizona.edu>
X-Sender: mar at ag.arizona.edu
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:38:25 -0700
To: theclub
From: Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
Subject: blah
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
blahblahblahblah



-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Michael A. Rose
System Administrator
Ag Networking Lab
University of Arizona
(520) 621-2489
mar at ag.arizona.edu
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=




From smead at amplepower.com  Wed May 24 22:11:44 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000524124041.00b08d70@ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005241311120.4230-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

It looks like you don't have /etc/aliases set right.

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.

On Wed, 24 May 2000, Michael Rose wrote:

> Hello to all,
> 
> Recently we just changed over our servers and now we are having problems 
> with mailman.  We have installed Mailman-1.1 but we still get these bounced 
> messages.  I have included a copy of the bounced message below.  We were 
> using Solaris 2.6 but are now using Solaris 2.8.  I have also installed 
> Python 1.5.1.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank-you.
> 
> To: postmaster Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 2
> The original message was received at Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> from localhost
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"
> (expanded from: theclub-admin)
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"... unknown 
> mailer error 2
> Reporting-MTA: dns; Ag.Arizona.Edu
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
> Arrival-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; theclub-admin at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner 
> theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:34 -0700 (MST)
> Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON>
> Received: from localhost (localhost)
> by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with internal id MAB29599;
> Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
> Message-Id: <200005241936.MAB29599 at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> To: theclub-admin
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
> boundary="MAB29599.959196993/Ag.Arizona.Edu"
> Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
> Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
> The original message was received at Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> from Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.78]
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
> (expanded from: <theclub>)
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"... unknown mailer 
> error 2
> Reporting-MTA: dns; Ag.Arizona.Edu
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
> Arrival-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post 
> theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> Return-Path: <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> Received: from gator.ag.arizona.edu (Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu 
> [128.196.42.78])
> by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29598
> for <theclub>; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000524123816.00b05d60 at ag.arizona.edu>
> X-Sender: mar at ag.arizona.edu
> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3
> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:38:25 -0700
> To: theclub
> From: Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> Subject: blah
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> blahblahblahblah
> 
> 
> 
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Michael A. Rose
> System Administrator
> Ag Networking Lab
> University of Arizona
> (520) 621-2489
> mar at ag.arizona.edu
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Wed May 24 22:47:26 2000
From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:47:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000524131521.00b0e2d0@ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005241321190.5904-100000@Ag.Arizona.Edu>

David,

Thanks for your input.  From your message it is hard to tell what you
mean about the /etc/aliases.  This is what the /etc/aliases look like:

## theclubs mailing list
theclub: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
theclub-admin: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"
theclub-request: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd theclub"
theclub-owner: theclub-admin
owner-theclub: theclub-admin

/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper is the full path of wrapper and when
I run it from the command line, I get an exit code of 5 which I think is
from common.c: #define MAIL_USAGE_ERROR 5.  On that note, an exit code of
2 corresponds to #definte GID_MISMATCH 2.  Group ID mismatch?  But all
files in the /usr/local/mail/mailman directory subtree belong to the
mailman group.  Also, does the owner of the files matter?  Who should own
wrapper?  I've tried me, root, and mailman, all to no avail.

mailman is a Trusted user as far as sendmail is concerned, and sendmail.cf
has a line called "O DontBlameSendmail=IncludeFileInGroupWritableDirPath",
but I don't think that's a problem considering the exit code sounds like
it comes from wrapper itself.

Very confused.  Please help. 

Sincerly,
Aaryn Olsson

On Wed, 24 May 2000, Michael Rose wrote:

> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:15:28 -0700
> From: Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> To: aaryn
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> 
> 
> >Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: David Smead <smead at amplepower.com>
> >To: Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> >
> >It looks like you don't have /etc/aliases set right.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >David Smead
> >http://www.amplepower.com.
> >http://www.ampletech.com.
> >
> >On Wed, 24 May 2000, Michael Rose wrote:
> >
> > > Hello to all,
> > >
> > > Recently we just changed over our servers and now we are having problems
> > > with mailman.  We have installed Mailman-1.1 but we still get these 
> > bounced
> > > messages.  I have included a copy of the bounced message below.  We were
> > > using Solaris 2.6 but are now using Solaris 2.8.  I have also installed
> > > Python 1.5.1.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank-you.
> > >
> > > To: postmaster Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 2
> > > The original message was received at Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > from localhost
> > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > > "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"
> > > (expanded from: theclub-admin)
> > > ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > 554 "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"... unknown
> > > mailer error 2
> > > Reporting-MTA: dns; Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > Received-From-MTA: DNS; Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
> > > Arrival-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; theclub-admin at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper 
> > mailowner
> > > theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > Action: failed
> > > Status: 5.0.0
> > > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:34 -0700 (MST)
> > > Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON>
> > > Received: from localhost (localhost)
> > > by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with internal id MAB29599;
> > > Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
> > > Message-Id: <200005241936.MAB29599 at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > > To: theclub-admin
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
> > > boundary="MAB29599.959196993/Ag.Arizona.Edu"
> > > Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
> > > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
> > > The original message was received at Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > from Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.78]
> > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > > "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
> > > (expanded from: <theclub>)
> > > ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > 554 "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"... unknown mailer
> > > error 2
> > > Reporting-MTA: dns; Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > Received-From-MTA: DNS; Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
> > > Arrival-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> > > theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > Action: failed
> > > Status: 5.0.0
> > > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > Return-Path: <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > > Received: from gator.ag.arizona.edu (Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
> > > [128.196.42.78])
> > > by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29598
> > > for <theclub>; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000524123816.00b05d60 at ag.arizona.edu>
> > > X-Sender: mar at ag.arizona.edu
> > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3
> > > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:38:25 -0700
> > > To: theclub
> > > From: Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > > Subject: blah
> > > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> > > blahblahblahblah
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> > > Michael A. Rose
> > > System Administrator
> > > Ag Networking Lab
> > > University of Arizona
> > > (520) 621-2489
> > > mar at ag.arizona.edu
> > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> 
> 








From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Thu May 25 00:50:02 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:50:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F8120@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Rose [mailto:mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:44 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> 
> Hello to all,
> 
> Recently we just changed over our servers and now we are 
> having problems 
> with mailman.  We have installed Mailman-1.1 but we still get 
> these bounced 
> messages.  I have included a copy of the bounced message 
> below.  We were 
> using Solaris 2.6 but are now using Solaris 2.8.  I have also 
> installed 
> Python 1.5.1.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank-you.

Upgrade Python to 1.5.2.  There seem to be plenty of problems with 1.5.1.
	Greg

[snip]



From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Thu May 25 00:46:30 2000
From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:46:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
In-Reply-To: <852568E9.007326BC.00@knotes.kodak.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005241531240.5904-100000@Ag.Arizona.Edu>

Dear Mr. MacKay,

This is what I get when I run the command you suggested:

% echo hi | /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bv theclub
theclub... aliased to "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
"|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"... deliverable:
mailer prog, user "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"

Everything is installed on the same machine: ag.arizona.edu.

Incidentally, majordomo-1.94.5 works, but we had to add that
"DontBlameSendmail..." line for Group Writable directories.  This is what
those aliases looke like:

studentnews: "|/opt/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000
-l stud
entnews -f studentnews-owner -h ag.arizona.edu studentnews-outgoing" 

sendmail -v -vb studentnews gives a message similar to that of theclub.

Still need help,
Aaryn

On Wed, 24 May 2000 mackay at kodak.com wrote:

> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:03:54 -0400
> From: mackay at kodak.com
> To: Aaryn Olsson <aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> 
> 
> 
> From: Scott D. MacKay
> 
> It does look like a sendmail problem.
> Have you tried
> /usr/lib/mail/sendmail -v -bv theclub
> Also, which machine is mailman installed on?  Are you sure the machine it
> is installed on is the one who is parsing the email name?
> 
> -Scott
> 
> Aaryn Olsson <aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu> on 05/24/2000 04:47:26 PM
> 
> To:   Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> cc:   mailman-users at python.org (bcc: Scott D. MacKay/943904/EKC)
> Subject:  Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> 
> David
> 
> Thanks for your input.  From your message it is hard to tell what you
> mean about the /etc/aliases.  This is what the /etc/aliases look like:
> 
> ## theclubs mailing list
> theclub: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
> theclub-admin: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"
> theclub-request: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd theclub"
> theclub-owner: theclub-admin
> owner-theclub: theclub-admin
> 
> /usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper is the full path of wrapper and when
> I run it from the command line, I get an exit code of 5 which I think is
> from common.c: #define MAIL_USAGE_ERROR 5.  On that note, an exit code of
> 2 corresponds to #definte GID_MISMATCH 2.  Group ID mismatch?  But all
> files in the /usr/local/mail/mailman directory subtree belong to the
> mailman group.  Also, does the owner of the files matter?  Who should own
> wrapper?  I've tried me, root, and mailman, all to no avail.
> 
> mailman is a Trusted user as far as sendmail is concerned, and sendmail.cf
> has a line called "O DontBlameSendmail=IncludeFileInGroupWritableDirPath",
> but I don't think that's a problem considering the exit code sounds like
> it comes from wrapper itself.
> 
> Very confused.  Please help.
> 
> Sincerly,
> Aaryn Olsson
> 
> On Wed, 24 May 2000, Michael Rose wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:15:28 -0700
> > From: Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > To: aaryn
> > Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> >
> >
> > >Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
> > >From: David Smead <smead at amplepower.com>
> > >To: Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> > >
> > >It looks like you don't have /etc/aliases set right.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >
> > >David Smead
> > >http://www.amplepower.com.
> > >http://www.ampletech.com.
> > >
> > >On Wed, 24 May 2000, Michael Rose wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello to all,
> > > >
> > > > Recently we just changed over our servers and now we are having
> problems
> > > > with mailman.  We have installed Mailman-1.1 but we still get these
> > > bounced
> > > > messages.  I have included a copy of the bounced message below.  We
> were
> > > > using Solaris 2.6 but are now using Solaris 2.8.  I have also
> installed
> > > > Python 1.5.1.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank-you.
> > > >
> > > > To: postmaster Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 2
> > > > The original message was received at Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700
> (MST)
> > > > from localhost
> > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > > > "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"
> > > > (expanded from: theclub-admin)
> > > > ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > > 554 "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"...
> unknown
> > > > mailer error 2
> > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > > Received-From-MTA: DNS; Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
> > > > Arrival-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; theclub-admin at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper
> > > mailowner
> > > > theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > > Action: failed
> > > > Status: 5.0.0
> > > > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:34 -0700 (MST)
> > > > Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON>
> > > > Received: from localhost (localhost)
> > > > by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with internal id MAB29599;
> > > > Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
> > > > Message-Id: <200005241936.MAB29599 at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > > > To: theclub-admin
> > > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
> > > > boundary="MAB29599.959196993/Ag.Arizona.Edu"
> > > > Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
> > > > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
> > > > The original message was received at Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700
> (MST)
> > > > from Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu [128.196.42.78]
> > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > > > "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
> > > > (expanded from: <theclub>)
> > > > ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > > 554 "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"... unknown
> mailer
> > > > error 2
> > > > Reporting-MTA: dns; Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > > Received-From-MTA: DNS; Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
> > > > Arrival-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper
> post
> > > > theclub at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > > Action: failed
> > > > Status: 5.0.0
> > > > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > > Return-Path: <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > > > Received: from gator.ag.arizona.edu (Gator.Agforbes.Arizona.Edu
> > > > [128.196.42.78])
> > > > by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29598
> > > > for <theclub>; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)
> > > > Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000524123816.00b05d60 at ag.arizona.edu>
> > > > X-Sender: mar at ag.arizona.edu
> > > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3
> > > > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:38:25 -0700
> > > > To: theclub
> > > > From: Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > > > Subject: blah
> > > > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> > > > blahblahblahblah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> > > > Michael A. Rose
> > > > System Administrator
> > > > Ag Networking Lab
> > > > University of Arizona
> > > > (520) 621-2489
> > > > mar at ag.arizona.edu
> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




From mrbill at mrbill.net  Thu May 25 01:21:09 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to migrate to a new machine?
Message-ID: <20000524182108.Y18382@mrbill.net>

Whats the "recommended" way to migrate lists/archives/etc from an existing
machine to a new machine?

Bill

-- 
+--------------------+-------------------+
|   Bill Bradford    |   Austin, Texas   |
+--------------------+-------------------+
| mrbill at sunhelp.org | mrbill at mrbill.net |
+--------------------+-------------------+



From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Thu May 25 01:37:19 2000
From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:37:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
In-Reply-To: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F8120@email.cu-portland.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005241622100.5904-100000@Ag.Arizona.Edu>

Mr. Leblanc,

I have installed Python-1.5.2 successfully but am still getting "unknown
mailer error 2" errors.

Aaryn

On Wed, 24 May 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:50:02 -0700
> From: Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu>
> To: 'Michael Rose' <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>, mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Rose [mailto:mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:44 PM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Cc: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
> > 
> > Hello to all,
> > 
> > Recently we just changed over our servers and now we are 
> > having problems 
> > with mailman.  We have installed Mailman-1.1 but we still get 
> > these bounced 
> > messages.  I have included a copy of the bounced message 
> > below.  We were 
> > using Solaris 2.6 but are now using Solaris 2.8.  I have also 
> > installed 
> > Python 1.5.1.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank-you.
> 
> Upgrade Python to 1.5.2.  There seem to be plenty of problems with 1.5.1.
> 	Greg
> 
> [snip]
> 





From starback at ling.uu.se  Thu May 25 01:43:08 2000
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: 25 May 2000 01:43:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security holes?
In-Reply-To: Doug Hughes's message of "Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:11:46 -0500 (CDT)"
Message-ID: <qz8zwzh5v7.fsf@objekt.ling.uu.se>

Red Hat recently sent out the following.  I don't use the Red Hat
rpms, but have installed mailman on my own, so naturally I wonder what
security holes they are talking about.  In what versions of Mailman do
they exist?

> From: bugzilla at redhat.com
> Subject: [RHSA-2000:030-01] Updated mailman packages are available.
> To: redhat-watch-list at redhat.com
> Date:   Wed, 24 May 2000 18:24 -0400
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 		     Red Hat, Inc. Security Advisory
> 
> Synopsis:          Updated mailman packages are available.
> Advisory ID:       RHSA-2000:030-01
> Issue date:        2000-05-24
> Updated on:        2000-05-24
> Product:           Red Hat Secure Web Server
> Keywords:          N/A
> Cross references:  N/A
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 1. Topic:
> 
> New mailman packages are available which close security holes present
> in earlier versions of mailman.
> 
> 2. Relevant releases/architectures:
> 
> Red Hat Secure Web Server 3.0 - i386
> Red Hat Secure Web Server 3.1 - i386 alpha sparc
> Red Hat Secure Web Server 3.2 - i386
> 
> 3. Problem description:
> 
> New mailman packages are available which close security holes present
> in earlier versions of mailman.  All sites using the mailman mailing
> list management software should upgrade.
> 
> 4. Solution:
> 
> For each RPM for your particular architecture, run:
> 
> rpm -Fvh [filename]
> 
> where filename is the name of the RPM.
> 
> 5. Bug IDs fixed (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla for more info):
> 
> N/A
> 
> 6. RPMs required:
> 
> Red Hat Secure Web Server 3.2:
> 
> intel:
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/updates/secureweb/3.2/i386/mailman-2.0beta2-1.i386.rpm
> 
> sources:
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/updates/secureweb/3.2/SRPMS/mailman-2.0beta2-1.src.rpm
> 
> 7. Verification:
> 
> MD5 sum                           Package Name
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 4515cf682bfb0c4a87c9ac6def8d5ec7  3.2/SRPMS/mailman-2.0beta2-1.src.rpm
> ccaf8e103c609bfa7769dfff4cf7f532  3.2/i386/mailman-2.0beta2-1.i386.rpm
> 
> These packages are GPG signed by Red Hat, Inc. for security.  Our key
> is available at:
>     http://www.redhat.com/corp/contact.html
> 
> You can verify each package with the following command:
>     rpm --checksig  <filename>
> 
> If you only wish to verify that each package has not been corrupted or
> tampered with, examine only the md5sum with the following command:
>     rpm --checksig --nogpg <filename>
> 
> 8. References:
> 
> N/A



From goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU  Thu May 25 02:04:46 2000
From: goisman at physics.Arizona.EDU (Philip Goisman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:04:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with upgrading
Message-ID: <200005250004.RAA13823@electron.physics.arizona.edu>

Michael, Aaryn, et al

	On your configuration line you need to use the same default
GID as your MTA specifies.  As the installation instructions say,
"On systems using sendmail, the sendmail.cf configuration file designates
the group id of sendmail processes using the "DefaultUser" option."
	

	That should get you going,

		Philip



From webmaster at virtualbungalow.com  Thu May 25 02:17:01 2000
From: webmaster at virtualbungalow.com (Webmaster)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:17:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send filter
Message-ID: <006c01bfc5de$92153c20$142849d1@aptxpress.com>

hi,
i have an old list before i had cleaned it up,and alot of them have abuse,and postmaster emails in there from some people that had subscribed them,theres alot, is there a way to put a filter to not send certain emails to (ex abuse and postmaster)?
version 1.0 on Redhat Linux 6.0
Thank You
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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu May 25 03:42:10 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:42:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send filter 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Webmaster" <webmaster@virtualbungalow.com> 
   of "Wed, 24 May 2000 20:17:01 EDT." <006c01bfc5de$92153c20$142849d1@aptxpress.com> 
References: <006c01bfc5de$92153c20$142849d1@aptxpress.com> 
Message-ID: <21043.959218930@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 24 May 2000 20:17:01 -0400 
Webmaster  <webmaster at virtualbungalow.com> wrote:

> hi, i have an old list before i had cleaned it up,and alot of them
> have abuse,and postmaster emails in there from some people that
> had subscribed them,theres alot, is there a way to put a filter to
> not send certain emails to (ex abuse and postmaster)?  

Its easier (and safer) to just remove them.  Just use the command
line tools to export the member list, grep out the ones you don't
want and remove them.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From webmaster at virtualbungalow.com  Thu May 25 06:33:21 2000
From: webmaster at virtualbungalow.com (Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:33:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send filter 
References: <006c01bfc5de$92153c20$142849d1@aptxpress.com>  <21043.959218930@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <000d01bfc602$5bca92e0$ea45fed8@new>

what command is this?and is there a way to export from the mailman database
into another format?
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu>
To: Webmaster <webmaster at virtualbungalow.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] send filter


> On Wed, 24 May 2000 20:17:01 -0400
> Webmaster  <webmaster at virtualbungalow.com> wrote:
>
> > hi, i have an old list before i had cleaned it up,and alot of them
> > have abuse,and postmaster emails in there from some people that
> > had subscribed them,theres alot, is there a way to put a filter to
> > not send certain emails to (ex abuse and postmaster)?
>
> Its easier (and safer) to just remove them.  Just use the command
> line tools to export the member list, grep out the ones you don't
> want and remove them.
>
> --
> J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu May 25 08:37:40 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:37:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send filter 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Webmaster" <webmaster@virtualbungalow.com> 
   of "Thu, 25 May 2000 00:33:21 EDT." <000d01bfc602$5bca92e0$ea45fed8@new> 
References: <006c01bfc5de$92153c20$142849d1@aptxpress.com> <21043.959218930@kanga.nu>  <000d01bfc602$5bca92e0$ea45fed8@new> 
Message-ID: <25169.959236660@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 25 May 2000 00:33:21 -0400 
Webmaster  <webmaster at virtualbungalow.com> wrote:

> what command is this?

Look into ~mailman/bin and the add_members, list_members, and
remove_members scripts.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From edelrio at icm.csic.es  Thu May 25 09:55:09 2000
From: edelrio at icm.csic.es (Evilio del Rio)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:55:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005221806550.16345-100000@haddock.icm.csic.es>


Hello,

I was also looking for a solution like yours and I have been able to trick
a little bit the Mailman code.

The general solution is to allow the "posters" setting of a list to be a
regular expression so that you can allow some lists to receive mail from
an entire domain. Maybe this is not exactly what you are looking for but
it can help.

I put the following settings to all lists:

 posters = ['.+ at my.doma.in'] # Any address within domain can post.
 acceptable_aliases ="""allstaff at my.doma.in
 """

and then I have modified the Hold.py file
($prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py). The diffs are (you can use patch 
if you want to try):

32a33
> import re
120c121,123
<         posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters))
---
>       isposter = 0
>       for poster in mlist.posters:
>               isposter = isposter or re.compile(poster,
re.I).match(sender)
122c125
<            not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters):
---
>            not isposter:


This way, anybody in my domain can post to any of the internal lists but
they are still closed to suscrbers+posters. However this is just a quick
hack and there should be another way to have "cascading closed lists".


HTH,

________________________________________________________________
Evilio Jose del Rio Silvan          Institut de Ciencies del Mar
edelrio at icm.csic.es          http://members.es.tripod.de/Evilio/
"I knew that I was out of luck the day the music died" - Don McLean





From fil at bok.net  Thu May 25 12:18:29 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:18:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a bug ?
Message-ID: <20000525121829.G25957@orwell.bok.net>

Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta3


We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:



Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.py", line 80, in main
    mlist.Save()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 864, in Save
    self.__lock.refresh()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
    raise NotLockedError
NotLockedError: 




------------------------------------------------------------------------

Python information:

Variable    Value
sys.version 1.5.2 (#0, Sep 13 1999, 09:12:57) [GCC 2.95.1 19990816
(release)] 
sys.executable  /usr/bin/python 
sys.prefix  /usr 
sys.exec_prefix /usr 
sys.path    /usr 
sys.platform    linux2 

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
../..



From mackay at kodak.com  Thu May 25 16:42:13 2000
From: mackay at kodak.com (mackay at kodak.com)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:42:13 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
Message-ID: <852568EA.00503421.00@knotes.kodak.com>


From: Scott D. MacKay

This could be a problem with the configuration of the mailman.  I believe
the error being reported is passed from the wrapper app.  The app is the
one reporting the error to the mail server which then dies out..  I don't
have the previous emails readily available, so forgive me if you already
answered this...
What was your mailman  --with-mail-gid configure option?  Did it include
the group that mail uses?  It really sounds like it does not recognise the
group mail is invoking the app with as being an allowed group.  I would
compare the GID you configured against the one used by your sendmail.

If you enabled SYSLOG for mailman, you should have an even logged at
LOG_MAIL/LOG_ERR level showing the expected and received GID.
This is seen from src/mail-wrapper.c in the main() where it invokes
check_caller() (common.c).

I believe the 'INSTALL' document is inaccurate with respect to
--with-mail-gid.
--with-mail-gid says you can use multiple GID values.  The mail-wrapper.c
assigns the variable parentgid to LEGAL_PARENT_GID which is defined as
MAIL_GID which is a '-D' macro passed in.  I see no looping in the
check_caller() and no array in mail-wrapper.c to cycle through each GID
provided.  In addition, it MUST be an integer value (give the C code).  In
short, only 1 GID, and it must be the integer value of the GID.

-Scott






Aaryn Olsson <aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu> on 05/24/2000 06:46:30 PM

To:   mackay at kodak.com
cc:   mailman-users at python.org (bcc: Scott D. MacKay/943904/EKC)
Subject:  Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading





Dear Mr. MacKay,

This is what I get when I run the command you suggested:

% echo hi | /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bv theclub
theclub... aliased to "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
"|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"... deliverable:
mailer prog, user "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"

Everything is installed on the same machine: ag.arizona.edu.

Incidentally, majordomo-1.94.5 works, but we had to add that
"DontBlameSendmail..." line for Group Writable directories.  This is what
those aliases looke like:

studentnews: "|/opt/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000
-l stud
entnews -f studentnews-owner -h ag.arizona.edu studentnews-outgoing"

sendmail -v -vb studentnews gives a message similar to that of theclub.

Still need help,
Aaryn

On Wed, 24 May 2000 mackay at kodak.com wrote:

> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:03:54 -0400
> From: mackay at kodak.com
> To: Aaryn Olsson <aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
>
>
>
> From: Scott D. MacKay
>
> It does look like a sendmail problem.
> Have you tried
> /usr/lib/mail/sendmail -v -bv theclub
> Also, which machine is mailman installed on?  Are you sure the machine it
> is installed on is the one who is parsing the email name?
>
> -Scott
>
> Aaryn Olsson <aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu> on 05/24/2000 04:47:26 PM
>
> To:   Michael Rose <mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> cc:   mailman-users at python.org (bcc: Scott D. MacKay/943904/EKC)
> Subject:  Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
>
> David
>
> Thanks for your input.  From your message it is hard to tell what you
> mean about the /etc/aliases.  This is what the /etc/aliases look like:
>
> ## theclubs mailing list
> theclub: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"
> theclub-admin: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub"
> theclub-request: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd theclub"
> theclub-owner: theclub-admin
> owner-theclub: theclub-admin
>
> /usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper is the full path of wrapper and when
> I run it from the command line, I get an exit code of 5 which I think is
> from common.c: #define MAIL_USAGE_ERROR 5.  On that note, an exit code of
> 2 corresponds to #definte GID_MISMATCH 2.  Group ID mismatch?  But all
> files in the /usr/local/mail/mailman directory subtree belong to the
> mailman group.  Also, does the owner of the files matter?  Who should own
> wrapper?  I've tried me, root, and mailman, all to no avail.
>
> mailman is a Trusted user as far as sendmail is concerned, and
sendmail.cf
> has a line called "O
DontBlameSendmail=IncludeFileInGroupWritableDirPath",
> but I don't think that's a problem considering the exit code sounds like
> it comes from wrapper itself.
>
> Very confused.  Please help.
>
> Sincerly,
> Aaryn Olsson
>







From griffw at nco.northfield.mn.us  Thu May 25 18:15:14 2000
From: griffw at nco.northfield.mn.us (Griff Wigley)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:15:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only announcement list
Message-ID: <4.2.1.20000525110226.00b139e0@nco.northfield.mn.us>

I'm having trouble setting my list to read-only announcements. I found 
previous discussion about this in the March archives but I still have 
questions.

1. I've set the "Posting restricted to list members" option to "No" and 
then provided a list of approved email addresses for posting.

But the list's web page still tells people how to post. It displays:

    Using NCO-News
    To post a message to all the list members, send email to 
nco-news at nco.northfield.mn.us.

I'm trying to get it to look similar to the Mailman-announce web page:

    Using Mailman-announce
    This is a read-only mailing list. You cannot post messages to it.

What am I missing?  Can I manually edit that text?

2. Also, when I subscribed to the Mailman-announce list, the welcome 
message provides instructions on how to post to the list, even though it's 
read-only.  Is this an oversight or something that can't be changed?

    Welcome to the Mailman-announce at python.org mailing list!

    To post to this list, send your email to:

    mailman-announce at python.org


  - Griff
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Griff Wigley, Chair
Northfield Citizens Online http://nco.northfield.mn.us
OFC: 507/645-7062 HM: 507/645-6065  MOBILE:  507/271-2341
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-




From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Fri May 26 00:14:54 2000
From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:14:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problems with upgrading
In-Reply-To: <200005250004.RAA13823@electron.physics.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005251502040.13756-100000@Ag.Arizona.Edu>

Philip and others who helped,,

Thanks much for the help.  We set DefaultUser in /etc/sendmail.cf like:
O DefaultUser=smtp:mailman, then reinstalled mailman from scratch under
my own login, making explicit use of --with-mail-gid and --with-cgi-id.  

I'm not sure if the DefaultUser was causing the problems because when I
simply restarted sendmail without reinstalling mailman, it failed gain,
probably because I had been fiddling with the groups.  Perhaps I should
have just run bin/check_perms, but I reinstalled the whole thing and it
worked on the first list I made, so thanks again to everybody who helped.

I was glad to be able to move all the lists over by just copying the
lists, locks, and archives directories...

Sincerely, Aaryn Olsson

[snip]





From webmaster at virtualbungalow.com  Fri May 26 03:19:34 2000
From: webmaster at virtualbungalow.com (Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:19:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uknown Mailer Error 1
Message-ID: <001001bfc6b0$7a1678a0$ea45fed8@new>

hi,
i keep on getting this error ,i have made the necessary link to the
wrapper,some of it goes out then it stops doing anything.Redhat 6.1 sendmail
8.93
Thanks.
May 25 20:25:43 sendmail[19465]: TAA19464: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailowner guestlist", delay=00:47:51, xdelay=00:47:50, mailer=prog,
stat=Sent
May 25 20:26:23 sendmail[19215]: TAA19214: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailowner guestlist", delay=00:53:27, xdelay=00:53:27, mailer=prog,
stat=unknown mailer error 1
May 25 20:26:23 sendmail[19215]: TAA19214: UAA19215: postmaster notify:
unknown mailer error 1
May 25 20:26:23 sendmail[19215]: UAA19215: to=root, delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent





From dgc at uchicago.edu  Fri May 26 05:44:08 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:44:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative roles?
Message-ID: <20000525224408.M26431@smack.uchicago.edu>

My mailman site has 570+ lists, and support has gotten to be a huge
headache for our system administration staff.  We're trying to offload
this to our general help-desk staff.  These staff need minimally to be
able to view certain settings in list admins' and subscribers'
configurations.  Even better, we'd like them to be able to make
designated kinds of changes to the configurations.  But we don't want
them to be full-fledged site administrators.

Are there any plans to implement administrative roles in Mailman such
that we can have all we've ever wanted?  Presumably this would be
predicated on a notion of a "user", although, as in SNMP, it would
suffice for the "user name" and authenticator to be the same thing.
If no roles, what about another site-admin password level which gets
you read-only, or gives you access to existing lists/users, but not the
ability to add/remove users?

Is any of this now possible, or ever?

Thanks.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From dgc at uchicago.edu  Fri May 26 05:46:11 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:46:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo is slow
Message-ID: <20000525224611.N26431@smack.uchicago.edu>

While I'm on the horn: at what version does listinfo become usable for
large sites?  It takes minutes to list all my lists.  This has been
reported before, and fixes were discussed, but I'm not sure whether
they've been done, or whether they will soon, or what.

Thanks.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From webmaster at virtualbungalow.com  Fri May 26 05:52:53 2000
From: webmaster at virtualbungalow.com (Webmaster)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo is slow
Message-ID: <001901bfc6c5$dec9fe60$ea45fed8@new>

i was just going to ask the same question.....
when its sending out the mail i cant get to the admin or the listinfo and
option page,this is bad especially if people want to unsubscribe.im using
version 1.0 320 ram redhat 6.0 pentium 2 400,sendmail 8.93.

-While I'm on the horn: at what version does listinfo become usable for
-large sites?  It takes minutes to list all my lists.  This has been
-reported before, and fixes were discussed, but I'm not sure whether
-they've been done, or whether they will soon, or what.
-
-Thanks.
-
---
 --D.    dgc at uchicago.edu        NSIT    University of Chicago

-------------------------------------------------------
-Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
-http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


                   [Mailman-Users] listinfo is slow




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri May 26 06:23:39 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:23:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative roles? 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Champion <dgc@uchicago.edu> 
   of "Thu, 25 May 2000 22:44:08 CDT." <20000525224408.M26431@smack.uchicago.edu> 
References: <20000525224408.M26431@smack.uchicago.edu> 
Message-ID: <11166.959315019@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 25 May 2000 22:44:08 -0500 
David Champion <dgc at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> Are there any plans to implement administrative roles in Mailman
> such that we can have all we've ever wanted?  Presumably this
> would be predicated on a notion of a "user", although, as in SNMP,
> it would suffice for the "user name" and authenticator to be the
> same thing.  If no roles, what about another site-admin password
> level which gets you read-only, or gives you access to existing
> lists/users, but not the ability to add/remove users?

This has been discussed, and agreed in general to be a Good Idea
IIRC.  It just needs someone to take it on and do it, much like the
SQL backend needs someone.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From ironyjk at kldp.org  Fri May 26 08:03:44 2000
From: ironyjk at kldp.org (Choi He Chul)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:03:44 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i want mailman with qmail.....
Message-ID: <00052615091101.00653@ironyjk>

Hi.

I'm mailman andn qmail Newbie...

I try mailman with qmail..

but some problems...

alias..

I try alias test-request to  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" .

but i faild...

any other ways?

and, any other qmail and mailman users?

thank you..

-- 

test by iron

ironyjk at kldp.org



From dgc at uchicago.edu  Fri May 26 11:25:46 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 04:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Administrative roles?
In-Reply-To: <11166.959315019@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Thu, May 25, 2000 at 09:23:39PM -0700
References: <20000525224408.M26431@smack.uchicago.edu> <11166.959315019@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000526042546.L3021@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.05.25, in <11166.959315019 at kanga.nu>,
	"J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
> This has been discussed, and agreed in general to be a Good Idea
> IIRC.  It just needs someone to take it on and do it, much like the
> SQL backend needs someone.

A SQL backend -- this is just meant to be an option, not a necessity,
right?

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From ck at ub.fu-berlin.de  Fri May 26 16:18:24 2000
From: ck at ub.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Krempe)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:18:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper error
Message-ID: <EXECMAIL.1000526161824.Z@ub3660.ub.fu-berlin.de>

I just installed mailman together with exim as MTA under Linux, 
configuring mm as described in www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html
exim is running under uid=exim, gid=exim, mailman is configured with 
MAILMAN_UID=exim, MAILMAN_GID=exim in the exim configuration.
When I post to a new list created with ./newlist I get the error message


Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:59:47 +0200
From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de>
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
Sender: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de>
To: ck at ub.fu-berlin.de
Reply-To: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <E12vKeR-0007xY-00 at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de>


This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. The following address(es) failed:

  test at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de:
    generated |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test:
    Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------
...

/etc/aliases looks like

...
# Liste "test"
test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

the section in exim configuration

address_pipe:
  driver = pipe
  return_output
  user = exim
  group = exim

and

list_transport:
        driver = pipe
        command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
        current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
        user = MAILMAN_UID
        group = MAILMAN_GID


In /var/log/exim_mainlog I get

2000-05-26 15:59:47 12vKeR-0007xT-00 <= ck at ub.fu-berlin.de 
	H=(golem.ub.fu-berlin.de) [160.45.167.3] U=root P=smtp
	S=734 id=392E834E.240A3C16 at ub.fu-berlin.de
2000-05-26 15:59:47 12vKeR-0007xT-00 ** |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper 
	post test <test at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de> D=system_
	aliases T=address_pipe: Child process of address_pipe transport
	returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper


What's wrong there? What does return code 2 mean?

Thanks,

Gru? Ch. Krempe

-----------------------------------------------------------
Freie Universitaet Berlin   Christoph Krempe
Universitaetsbibliothek     Systemverwaltung
- Rechenzentrum -           Tel: 030/838 54583
Garystrasse 39              Fax: 030/838 54582
14195 Berlin                http://www.ub.fu-berlin.de/~ck




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri May 26 16:26:17 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:26:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Administrative roles?
In-Reply-To: Message from David Champion <dgc@uchicago.edu> 
   of "Fri, 26 May 2000 04:25:46 CDT." <20000526042546.L3021@smack.uchicago.edu> 
References: <20000525224408.M26431@smack.uchicago.edu> <11166.959315019@kanga.nu>  <20000526042546.L3021@smack.uchicago.edu> 
Message-ID: <18311.959351177@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 26 May 2000 04:25:46 -0500 
David Champion <dgc at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> On 2000.05.25, in <11166.959315019 at kanga.nu>, "J C Lawrence"
> <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
>> This has been discussed, and agreed in general to be a Good Idea
>> IIRC.  It just needs someone to take it on and do it, much like
>> the SQL backend needs someone.

> A SQL backend -- this is just meant to be an option, not a
> necessity, right?

Yup.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From mackay at kodak.com  Fri May 26 16:27:14 2000
From: mackay at kodak.com (mackay at kodak.com)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:27:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper error
Message-ID: <852568EB.004ED402.00@knotes.kodak.com>


From: Scott D. MacKay

This is already a running thread on mailman configuration, I believe
(slight variation).
Make sure your '--with-mail-gid' configure flag is set correctly.  The
wrapper checks the invokers GID and dies with code 2 if it does not match
(exit code 2 is GID MISMATCH or something from mailman).
Sendmail sees it and passes it back to you.  The GID MUST be the GID of the
mail process.  If you enabled syslog, it should be logged (check the
archive list on my previous post, think it is mail.err or something).  That
will be the biggie, checking the output of the syslog to see what GID
REALLY is being used by the invoker.

For those that had the problem, please let me know if changing the
--with-mail-gid worked or not, ty )

-Scott






From marouf at nobu.earlham.edu  Fri May 26 16:41:12 2000
From: marouf at nobu.earlham.edu (Nicholas Marouf)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:41:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ListServe/Majordomo/MailMan
In-Reply-To: <852568EB.004ED402.00@knotes.kodak.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0005260936070.28249-100000@nobu.earlham.edu>

Hi all,
	It would be great if anyone has any statitics that shows
differencs of machine load with the above lists managers. we currently are
running Major and ListServer, Really want to dump both and go to Mailman,
however we have to deal with "politics" were quote "just because it is
open source and free doesnt mean that it is good"

so any help to have a stronger case, I would be grateful

thanks
Nick




From hknief at auctionwatch.com  Fri May 26 18:09:13 2000
From: hknief at auctionwatch.com (Herman Knief)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:09:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ListServe/Majordomo/MailMan
Message-ID: <AFB9B03E639DD311ABEA00E081104ADD011CF013@exchange.corp.auctionwatch.com>

>From what I've seen with Majordomo and Mailman (and I run a pretty big list)
- Mailman is about 30% more efficient than Majordomo.  I have no direct
experience with ListServ.  I can tell you that I recently had to split my
list into pieces and create an umbrella list.  That has reduced the overall
load substantially (although it does make management a little more
difficult.)  The biggest change in performance that I was able to achieve
had nothing to do with the list manager, but the MTA.  I switched from
sendmail to postfix and watched my load average on a dual 550 MHz PIII drop
from 30 to 8 during an average mailing.

 - Herman 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nicholas Marouf [mailto:marouf at nobu.earlham.edu]
>Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:41 AM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] ListServe/Majordomo/MailMan
>
>
>Hi all,
>	It would be great if anyone has any statitics that shows
>differencs of machine load with the above lists managers. we 
>currently are
>running Major and ListServer, Really want to dump both and go 
>to Mailman,
>however we have to deal with "politics" were quote "just because it is
>open source and free doesnt mean that it is good"
>
>so any help to have a stronger case, I would be grateful
>
>thanks
>Nick
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Fri May 26 18:20:40 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:20:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper error 
In-Reply-To: Message from Christoph Krempe <ck@ub.fu-berlin.de> 
   of "Fri, 26 May 2000 16:18:24 +0200." <EXECMAIL.1000526161824.Z@ub3660.ub.fu-berlin.de> 
Message-ID: <E12vMqm-0000uy-00@rioja.localnet>

ck at ub.fu-berlin.de said:
> I just installed mailman together with exim as MTA under Linux,
> configuring mm as described in www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html 


ck at ub.fu-berlin.de said:
> /etc/aliases looks like
> ... # Liste "test" 
> test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"


The exim/mailman HOWTO says:-
> The exim configuration is built so that a list created within mailman
> automagically appears to exim without the need for additional alias
> files etc to be changed.

or to put it another way
DONT TOUCH THE ALIASES FILE - IF YOU DO THAT EXIM USES THE DEFAULT PIPE 
TRANSPORT WHICH PROBABLY HAS NO (OR THE WRONG) USER/GROUP ASSIGNED TO IT

I'll mod the howto as soon as I get the chance to put this in in huge 
flashing letters at top and bottom of the document.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us  Fri May 26 20:29:40 2000
From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:29:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration link
Message-ID: <392EC294.6AD4E026@opac.osl.state.or.us>

I have just inherited a Mailman installation. When I successfully set up
a new list, the email that is sent to me points me to a web page fot
list configuration. Great, but that domain is that of the person who
installed Mailman. So, I figured it must be specified in the Makefile or
somewhere else. I couldn't find it. I would appreciate a pointer in the
right direction. Thanks. 


-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503.378.4246
chris at opac.osl.state.or.us



From secabeen at pobox.com  Fri May 26 21:20:33 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:20:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo is slow 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 May 2000 22:46:11 CDT."
             <20000525224611.N26431@smack.uchicago.edu> 
Message-ID: <200005261920.OAA29181@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <20000525224611.N26431 at smack.uchicago.edu>, David Champion writes:
>While I'm on the horn: at what version does listinfo become usable for
>large sites?  It takes minutes to list all my lists.  This has been
>reported before, and fixes were discussed, but I'm not sure whether
>they've been done, or whether they will soon, or what.

2.0, which is still in beta.  There's a recursive stat call in the code right 
now.  I discussed this about a month ago, if you check the archives.  I think 
it's been fixed in 2.0beta, but 1.1 still has it.  You probably can strip the 
excess check out without too much trouble.  Let me know if you need more 
pointers.

-- 
Ted Cabeen           http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen         secabeen at pobox.com
Check Website or finger for PGP/GPG Public Key           secabeen at uchicago.edu
"I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon  secabeen at cabeen.org
"Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot        cabeen at netcom.com


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From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us  Sat May 27 00:02:23 2000
From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:02:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription confirmation problem
Message-ID: <392EF46F.89C3A138@opac.osl.state.or.us>

I have set up my first list. I have gotten to the point where I am asked
for confirmation to subscribe. When I simply reply to the message, or
send a new message to listname-request, I get the following error. 



<mailman_test-request at sparkie.osl.state.or.us>: Command died with status
2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailman_test"

Please advise. Thank you.


-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503.378.4246
chris at opac.osl.state.or.us



From maxit at maxit.netstorm.net  Sat May 27 00:14:19 2000
From: maxit at maxit.netstorm.net (Great Guggly Muggly)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:14:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman page option (post)
Message-ID: <392EF73B.938A20D@maxit.netstorm.net>

To whom it may concern,

    I've looked all through admin options for a particular list group I
created. When I view the
page I notice the threads do not have an option such as [post] tag that
makes it easy to respond
to a particular message/s.

    How do you turn this on?  or  How do you add this option?


Something like this

Messages sorted by: [subject [author] [date]
Reply to: [post]

maxit
maxit at netstorm.net




From marauder at morepower.com  Sat May 27 04:24:06 2000
From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:24:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat / RPM distribution of Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <20000526160009.4B08F1CD85@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEKFDIAA.marauder@morepower.com>

Just wondering if anyone is currently maintaining an RedHat / RPM
distribution of Mailman...  I just bought a copy of RedHat pro and it is
still shipping with the 1.0 version of Mailman.

Cheers,
>>>>> Mike <<<<<




From ivanlan at home.com  Sat May 27 05:01:22 2000
From: ivanlan at home.com (Ivan Van Laningham)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:01:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat / RPM distribution of Mailman?
References: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEKFDIAA.marauder@morepower.com>
Message-ID: <392F3A82.810F791B@home.com>

Hi All--

Mike Cisar wrote:
> 
> Just wondering if anyone is currently maintaining an RedHat / RPM
> distribution of Mailman...  I just bought a copy of RedHat pro and it is
> still shipping with the 1.0 version of Mailman.
> 

It took me less than an hour to get Mailman configured, made, installed
and running on RedHat 6.1.  It is now running a mailing list
*flawlessly*.

Read the directions *carefully*, unlike me, and it will take you less
time.

<and-i-was-using-waldoes,-too>-ly y'rs,
Ivan;-)
----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Axent Technologies, Inc.
http://www.pauahtun.org/
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat May 27 07:18:07 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nomail.py: print users with 'nomail' option set
Message-ID: <200005270518.WAA27227@utopia.west.sun.com>

Here's a little Python fragment to be used with bin/withlist.
It shows all members whose "nomail" flag is turned on (so, perhaps,
you can send a reminder email that they've been disabled).

Use with "python -i bin/withlist -r nomail.nomail <listname>".

Anyone who cares to mention why there are some users mentioned in
members[] or digest_members[] who are *not* present in user_options[],
I'd be happy to hear about it (that's why the try/except stuff is
necessary).

I put this in my ~mailman directory.

Any comments welcome.

---

import sys
import Mailman.mm_cfg

def nomail(list):

   for member in list.members.keys():
      try:
         if list.user_options[member] & Mailman.mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
            print member
      except:
         pass

   for member in list.digest_members.keys():
      try:
         if list.user_options[member] & Mailman.mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
            print member
      except:
         pass
   sys.exit(0)




From m.keller at orcasoft.ch  Sat May 27 12:52:00 2000
From: m.keller at orcasoft.ch (Markus Keller OrcaSoft)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:52:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member adress in instead of the list adress
Message-ID: <003501bfc7c9$aaa8b400$c406e6c2@markus.orcasoft.ch>

Hi List

I'm using Mailman V 1.1 and it is a fine programm. Now I have a little
problem with the adress of the members in a list. If I send a message to the
list, the members can only see the adress of the list in the head of the
message (to: listname at domain.com). Certain members have more than one adress
and now they can't unsubscribe because they don't know the right adress. Is
there a way to replace the adress of the list with the adress of the
recipient or - if not - can I add the adress of the member at the foot of
the message or somewhere else?

Markus




From griffw at nco.northfield.mn.us  Sat May 27 16:10:18 2000
From: griffw at nco.northfield.mn.us (Griff Wigley)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 09:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only announcement list
In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000525110226.00b139e0@nco.northfield.mn.us>
Message-ID: <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us>

I've haven't gotten a reply to this yet, so I'm assuming there's no one 
who's active on this list who knows the  answers to my questions.

Anybody have ideas on who I could contact who might know?


At 11:15 AM 5/25/00 , Griff Wigley wrote:
>I'm having trouble setting my list to read-only announcements. I found 
>previous discussion about this in the March archives but I still have 
>questions.
>
>1. I've set the "Posting restricted to list members" option to "No" and 
>then provided a list of approved email addresses for posting.
>
>But the list's web page still tells people how to post. It displays:
>
>    Using NCO-News
>    To post a message to all the list members, send email to 
> nco-news at nco.northfield.mn.us.
>
>I'm trying to get it to look similar to the Mailman-announce web page:
>
>    Using Mailman-announce
>    This is a read-only mailing list. You cannot post messages to it.
>
>What am I missing?  Can I manually edit that text?
>
>2. Also, when I subscribed to the Mailman-announce list, the welcome 
>message provides instructions on how to post to the list, even though it's 
>read-only.  Is this an oversight or something that can't be changed?
>
>    Welcome to the Mailman-announce at python.org mailing list!
>
>    To post to this list, send your email to:
>
>    mailman-announce at python.org
>
>
>  - Griff
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Griff Wigley, Chair
>Northfield Citizens Online http://nco.northfield.mn.us
>OFC: 507/645-7062 HM: 507/645-6065  MOBILE:  507/271-2341
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-




From yenigul at itu.edu.tr  Sat May 27 20:07:37 2000
From: yenigul at itu.edu.tr (Ismail Yenigul)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:07:37 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Operation Not permitted on Linux
In-Reply-To: <20000527180205.DDFDA1CD28@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005272102250.1072-100000@CNAP08.labs.itu.edu.tr>

hi 
i have a problem on Linux mailman-2.0beta2 
problem is "Operation not Permitted " error when i  wantto see listinfo
page.. i know that this problem happened because of" hardlink  on" in /tmp
how can i change to hardlinks to off (i read whole mailing list archive 
but i could not solution)
thanks
  


   
/* -ApacHe- */





From yenigul at itu.edu.tr  Sat May 27 20:33:30 2000
From: yenigul at itu.edu.tr (Ismail Yenigul)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:33:30 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] solution of the operation not permitted on linux
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005272131250.1145-100000@CNAP08.labs.itu.edu.tr>

hi again 
i find the solution of this error
i removed the Restricted /tmp option in kernel`s Security Part and i
recompile the kernel
bye


   
/* -ApacHe- */




From ivanlan at home.com  Sun May 28 01:20:29 2000
From: ivanlan at home.com (Ivan Van Laningham)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:20:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron <mailman@na-tzul> /usr/bin/python
 /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs]
Message-ID: <3930583D.A77341E2@home.com>

Hi All--
If this isn't the right list to post a bug report, let me know & I'll
send it to the right place.

Mailman is still running my list beautifully.

<like-democracy,-even-when-it's-broken-it's-better-than-the-alternatives>-ly
y'rs,
Ivan
----------------------------------------------
Ivan Van Laningham
Axent Technologies, Inc.
http://www.pauahtun.org/
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
Author:  Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours
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From markos at elite.org  Sun May 28 03:28:47 2000
From: markos at elite.org (Marko Samastur)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 02:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ban
Message-ID: <3930764F.DC3C2DF1@elite.org>

Hello,

I'm sorry if my question is stupid, but is it possible to ban a user
from a mailing list?

If not, is somebody working on this or should I volunteer? :)

Best regards,

	Marko



From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Sun May 28 01:51:13 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:51:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat / RPM distribution of Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEKFDIAA.marauder@morepower.com>; from marauder@morepower.com on Fri, May 26, 2000 at 08:24:06PM -0600
References: <20000526160009.4B08F1CD85@dinsdale.python.org> <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEKFDIAA.marauder@morepower.com>
Message-ID: <20000528085113.A7646@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 08:24:06PM -0600, Mike Cisar wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone is currently maintaining an RedHat / RPM
> distribution of Mailman...  I just bought a copy of RedHat pro and it is
> still shipping with the 1.0 version of Mailman.

They have updated it since your disc was pressed.  Within the past week they
have released 2.0beta2 RPMs.

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/updates/secureweb/3.2/i386/mailman-2.0beta2-1.i386.rpm
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/updates/secureweb/3.2/SRPMS/mailman-2.0beta2-1.src.rpm

I've not tried them...

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From claw at kanga.nu  Sun May 28 05:45:29 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:45:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only announcement list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Griff Wigley <griffw@nco.northfield.mn.us> 
   of "Sat, 27 May 2000 09:10:18 CDT." <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us> 
References: <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us> 
Message-ID: <12448.959485529@kanga.nu>

> At 11:15 AM 5/25/00 , Griff Wigley wrote:
>> I'm having trouble setting my list to read-only announcements. I
>> found previous discussion about this in the March archives but I
>> still have questions.

Set the list to posting by members only.

Set it to moderated.

Set yourself as an automatically approved poster.

>> But the list's web page still tells people how to post. It
>> displays:

You may need to hand edit that page.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun May 28 05:46:41 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:46:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member adress in instead of the list adress 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Markus Keller OrcaSoft" <m.keller@orcasoft.ch> 
   of "Sat, 27 May 2000 12:52:00 +0200." <003501bfc7c9$aaa8b400$c406e6c2@markus.orcasoft.ch> 
References: <003501bfc7c9$aaa8b400$c406e6c2@markus.orcasoft.ch> 
Message-ID: <12470.959485601@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 27 May 2000 12:52:00 +0200 
Markus Keller OrcaSoft <m.keller at orcasoft.ch> wrote:

> Hi List I'm using Mailman V 1.1 and it is a fine programm. Now I
> have a little problem with the adress of the members in a list. If
> I send a message to the list, the members can only see the adress
> of the list in the head of the message (to:
> listname at domain.com). Certain members have more than one adress
> and now they can't unsubscribe because they don't know the right
> adress. Is there a way to replace the adress of the list with the
> adress of the recipient or - if not - can I add the adress of the
> member at the foot of the message or somewhere else?

It is a list member's responsibility to keep track of their
subscriptions, not yours.  If they have lost their records (sadly
frequent), just have them wait till the next monthly subscription
reminder to find out.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Sun May 28 07:16:22 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:16:22 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration link
In-Reply-To: <392EC294.6AD4E026@opac.osl.state.or.us>; from chris@opac.osl.state.or.us on Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:29:40AM -0700
References: <392EC294.6AD4E026@opac.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <20000528141622.B8489@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:29:40AM -0700, Christopher Adams wrote:
> I have just inherited a Mailman installation. When I successfully set up
> a new list, the email that is sent to me points me to a web page fot
> list configuration. Great, but that domain is that of the person who
> installed Mailman. So, I figured it must be specified in the Makefile or

The DEFAULT_URL is specified in Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or if it is not specified
there, it falls back to the value set in Mailman/Defaults.py).

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From PBurgess at linz.govt.nz  Sun May 28 07:45:34 2000
From: PBurgess at linz.govt.nz (Peter Burgess)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:45:34 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat / RPM distribution of Mailman?
References: <20000526160009.4B08F1CD85@dinsdale.python.org> <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEKFDIAA.marauder@morepower.com> <20000528085113.A7646@mail.dskk.co.jp>
Message-ID: <3930B27E.147E6DC6@LINZ.govt.nz>

Jim Tittsler wrote:

> They have updated it since your disc was pressed.  Within the past week they
> have released 2.0beta2 RPMs.
> 
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/updates/secureweb/3.2/i386/mailman-2.0beta2-1.i386.rpm
> ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/updates/secureweb/3.2/SRPMS/mailman-2.0beta2-1.src.rpm
> 
> I've not tried them...


I have and they work fine as long as you become the mailman user
*before* changing the site passwd etc ;)

Peter
-- 
QOTD:
	I looked out my window, and saw Kyle Pettys' car upside down,
	then I thought 'One of us is in real trouble'.
		-- Davey Allison, on a 150 m.p.h. crash
An apple a day makes 365 apples a year.



From fs at ras.eu.org  Sun May 28 10:07:22 2000
From: fs at ras.eu.org (Francois Sauterey)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:07:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debian distribution
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000528100722.008aecf0@mail.ras.eu.org>

Is there a 2.0beta2 .deb Debian  ?



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From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sun May 28 15:38:27 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only announcement list
In-Reply-To: <12448.959485529@kanga.nu>
References: <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us> <griffw@nco.northfield.mn.us> <12448.959485529@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000528093827.C16964@xcski.com>

Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at kanga.nu):
> 
> > At 11:15 AM 5/25/00 , Griff Wigley wrote:
> >> I'm having trouble setting my list to read-only announcements. I
> >> found previous discussion about this in the March archives but I
> >> still have questions.
> 
> Set the list to posting by members only.
> 
> Set it to moderated.
> 
> Set yourself as an automatically approved poster.

Set the moderator address to an account that is bit-bucketed.

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From Todd.Miller at courtesan.com  Sun May 28 18:15:39 2000
From: Todd.Miller at courtesan.com (Todd C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:15:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bulk mailing gone in 2.0?
Message-ID: <200005281615.e4SGFdK17577@xerxes.courtesan.com>

The NEWS file in 2.0beta states that "Mailman no longer contains a
bundled bulk-mailer" yet there is still the "Number of outgoing
connections to open at once" option available.  Does mailman still
support splitting message submission up into multiple batches?

 - todd



From omega at palle.net  Sun May 28 18:21:55 2000
From: omega at palle.net (Andreas Marienborg)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:21:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with the openwall kernel patch and mailman
Message-ID: <002901bfc8c0$d8182400$8600a8c0@chriskomm.no>

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 41, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 69, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 858, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1300, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 209, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted


this error i get in the checkdb and senddigests programs

the errors started appearing after i upgraded to 2.2.15-ow1

on of the ow1 patches security enhancing functions is restricting who
can own what in +t directories

snipped from ow1's README file:
---
Restricted links in /tmp
--------------------------

I've also added a link-in-+t restriction, originally for Linux 2.0 only,
by Andrew Tridgell.  I've updated it to prevent from using a hard link in
an attack instead, by not allowing regular users to create hard links to
files they don't own.  This is usually the desired behavior anyway, since
otherwise users couldn't remove such links they've just created in a +t
directory, and because of disk quotas.

 Restricted FIFOs in /tmp
--------------------------

In addition to restricting links, you might also want to restrict writes
into untrusted FIFOs (named pipes), to make data spoofing attacks harder.
Enabling this option disallows writing into FIFOs not owned by the user in
+t directories, unless the owner is the same as that of the directory or
the FIFO is opened without the O_CREAT flag.
---- END SNIP ----

does anyone know if this would be hard to fix in mailman?


Andreas




From griffw at nco.northfield.mn.us  Mon May 29 02:09:15 2000
From: griffw at nco.northfield.mn.us (Griff Wigley)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:09:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only announcement list 
In-Reply-To: <12448.959485529@kanga.nu>
References: <Message from Griff Wigley <griffw@nco.northfield.mn.us>
 <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us>
 <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us>
Message-ID: <4.2.1.20000528190155.00b2e4f0@nco.northfield.mn.us>

At 10:45 PM 5/27/00 , J C Lawrence wrote:

> > At 11:15 AM 5/25/00 , Griff Wigley wrote:
> >> But the list's web page still tells people how to post. It
> >> displays:
>
>You may need to hand edit that page.

Ok, thanks, J C.  But the same thing happens with the automated welcome 
message sent to new users:

   "To post to this list, send your email to:

How do I edit that?




From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Mon May 29 02:28:20 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:28:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only announcement list
In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000528190155.00b2e4f0@nco.northfield.mn.us>; from griffw@nco.northfield.mn.us on Sun, May 28, 2000 at 07:09:15PM -0500
References: <Message <griffw@nco.northfield.mn.us> <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us> <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us> <12448.959485529@kanga.nu> <4.2.1.20000528190155.00b2e4f0@nco.northfield.mn.us>
Message-ID: <20000529092820.A10251@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Sun, May 28, 2000 at 07:09:15PM -0500, Griff Wigley wrote:
> Ok, thanks, J C.  But the same thing happens with the automated welcome 
> message sent to new users:
> 
>    "To post to this list, send your email to:
> 
> How do I edit that?

templates/subscribeack.txt contains the template for the main welcome Email.
I believe if you want to customize it on a per list basis, you will need to
hack Mailman/Deliverer.py (for 2.0 series) directly to select the
appropriate template.

You can disable the welcome message completely or prepend something to it
from the list's general options page.

-- 
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Python Starship     http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/




From smead at amplepower.com  Tue May 30 06:17:10 2000
From: smead at amplepower.com (David Smead)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:17:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] time.mktime
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005292113480.26310-100000@henry.amplepower.com>

I upgraded to Python 1.6a2 from 1.5.1 to use Mailman, and now I have a
problem with an older program that calls time.mktime.  It used to take a
time tuple, but now I get an error that says it only takes a single
argument.

Does anyone know about this?  Is there a better list to ask this question?

Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.
http://www.ampletech.com.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue May 30 07:00:41 2000
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] time.mktime
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005292113480.26310-100000@henry.amplepower.com>
References: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005292113480.26310-100000@henry.amplepower.com>
Message-ID: <p04320403b558fa1bd212@[207.149.192.226]>

At 21:17 -0700 5/29/2000, David Smead wrote:
>I upgraded to Python 1.6a2 from 1.5.1 to use Mailman, and now I have a
>problem with an older program that calls time.mktime.  It used to take a
>time tuple, but now I get an error that says it only takes a single
>argument.
>
>Does anyone know about this?  Is there a better list to ask this question?

Hi, Dave...

I believe the following is true...the pattern certainly is and the remark
about sockets.

time.mktime() always took a tuple, but now it only takes that, rather than
being relaxed and taking the tuple members as separate parameters.  Just
find the existing call and insert another parenthesis pair around the
arguments.  [Inside the existing (), outside it, or mixed.  ;-)]

Some other calls have been tightened up the same way (the constructor for
sockets being one).


-- 
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From tagata at rand.co.jp  Tue May 30 10:07:56 2000
From: tagata at rand.co.jp (Akira Tagata)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:07:56 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem archiving Japanese messages
Message-ID: <E12wh48-0002ES-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp>

Hello,
I have started to use Mailman v1.1 with exim on Debian GNU/Linux 2.1.

On an archived message from our Japanese mail messages must be converted
into the Extended Unix Code (EUC) from the ordinary transporting Japanese
text (JIS).  Indeed I have had some problems to archive my test message
in Japanese.

So I have tried to insert a filter which convert JIS to EUC before post
by the wrapper.  And Mailman works fine.

  One Japanese charater needs two 7 bit code within the special
  quotation in JIS, and I understood that scanning JIS code to convert
  to HTML text may mistake.  But in EUC one character needs two 8
  bit code.

But the posted message from this test mailing list have delivered in
EUC.  The Japanese mail messages must be written in JIS.

I need to know where and/or how I insert this filter(*) in the Mailman.
Probably it will be before scanning the message to convert to HTML text
for archiving the posted message.

  (*)The filter named nkf can also convert mime headers

Please give me any suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Akira Tagata <tagata at rand.co.jp>
R&D Computer Co., Ltd. / Tokyo



From oskar at ifcomputer.co.jp  Tue May 30 10:52:04 2000
From: oskar at ifcomputer.co.jp (Oskar Bartenstein)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:52:04 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem archiving Japanese messages
In-Reply-To: <E12wh48-0002ES-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp>
References: <E12wh48-0002ES-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp>
Message-ID: <393381343AC.7CE9OSKAR@cs>

In /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py  I use

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/local/bin/nkf -e |/usr/bin/mhonarc -rcfile /us
r/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/mhonarc.rc -add -umask 022 -outdir /home/mailman/arc
hives/public/%(listname)s -multipg  -expireage 2592000 -idxsize 15 -reverse  -id
xfname index.html)'

Oskar
--
Tue, 30 May 2000 17:07:56 +0900 Akira Tagata <tagata at rand.co.jp> said:
<snip>
> I need to know where and/or how I insert this filter(*) in the Mailman.
<snip>



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue May 30 10:58:26 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:58:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bulk mailing gone in 2.0? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Todd C. Miller" <Todd.Miller@courtesan.com> 
   of "Sun, 28 May 2000 10:15:39 MDT." <200005281615.e4SGFdK17577@xerxes.courtesan.com> 
Message-ID: <E12whr0-0007jR-00@rioja.localnet>

Todd.Miller at courtesan.com said:
> The NEWS file in 2.0beta states that "Mailman no longer contains a
> bundled bulk-mailer" yet there is still the "Number of outgoing
> connections to open at once" option available.  Does mailman still
> support splitting message submission up into multiple batches? 

First cut or so of the 2.0betas had a very simple straight injection 
interface to the MTA (choice of SMTP or sendmail CLI).  As things have 
moved on this approach has caused problems (ie max number of recipients 
per MTA injection, need to queue messages under some circumstances, 
prevention of a deadly embrace with the MTA etc), and most of the old 
bulk mailer functionality is moving back in...

There was quite a long discussion on this on the developers list last 
week - see the "Huge lists" thread.

	Nigel.
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From redwards at golgotha.net  Tue May 30 11:59:27 2000
From: redwards at golgotha.net (Randy Edwards)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 05:59:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan with ZServer
References: <E12whr0-0007jR-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <393390FF.DB98EBC7@golgotha.net>

Is it possible to run MailMan with only Zope's ZServer as the web server?

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From nagarjun at hbcse.tifr.res.in  Tue May 30 12:18:10 2000
From: nagarjun at hbcse.tifr.res.in (Nagarjuna G.)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:48:10 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan with ZServer
In-Reply-To: <393390FF.DB98EBC7@golgotha.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005301546220.10410-100000@hbcse.tifr.res.in>

On Tue, 30 May 2000, Randy Edwards wrote:

->Is it possible to run MailMan with only Zope's ZServer as the web server?
->

I am about to post the same query. I am running apache on my server only for
mailman, otherwise rest works on Zope's Zserver. Yes, is it possible?

Nagarjuna




From sharmistha11 at 123india.com  Tue May 30 14:28:51 2000
From: sharmistha11 at 123india.com (sharmistha11 at 123india.com)
Date: 30 May 2000 05:28:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000530122851.12512.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net>

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From korn at chardonnay.math.bme.hu  Tue May 30 18:57:33 2000
From: korn at chardonnay.math.bme.hu (KORN Andras)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:57:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname.mbox file missing From lines, archiving doesn't work
Message-ID: <20000530185733.A1799@chardonnay.math.bme.hu>

Hi,

I'm not subscribed to the list, so please cc: all messages to me at
<korn at math.bme.hu>. Thanks.

My problem is that all my lists' archive index.html files only contain the
text 'currently, there are no archives'. Archiving is turned on and switched
to public. The permissions are right (timestamps do change).

I believe this may have to do with the fact that _all_ messages in the mbox
file lack the preceding From line (they start with Received: lines).

Using the perl script Doug Hughes posted earlier to add missing From lines
is not an option (I'd have to run it each time a new message arrives).

I use qmail. Maybe that has something to do with the problem? What can I do
to remedy the situation?

My mailman version is 2.0beta2, but as I've been having these difficulties
since 0.99 or so, the version number does seem to be irrelevant. A similar
problem was reported to the list in March 1999, but no one was able to come
up with a solution that I could see.

Andrew

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From korn at chardonnay.math.bme.hu  Tue May 30 19:09:38 2000
From: korn at chardonnay.math.bme.hu (KORN Andras)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:09:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: listname.mbox file missing From lines, archiving doesn't work
Message-ID: <20000530190938.B1799@chardonnay.math.bme.hu>

Hi,

It seems we've been able to solve the problem: apparently it does have to do
with qmail. Simply include preline in the mail alias of the list.

I hacked up a small script to set up the mail aliases for new lists:

---------------
#!/bin/sh
cd /var/qmail/alias
echo "|/usr/bin/preline /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post $1" >.qmail-$1
echo "|/usr/bin/preline /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $1" >.qmail-$1-admin
echo "|/usr/bin/preline /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $1" >.qmail-$1-request
ln .qmail-$1-admin .qmail-$1-owner
ln .qmail-$1-admin .qmail-owner-$1
----------------

Thanks to Gergely Madarasz for the idea.

Andrew

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From lynnd at techangle.com  Tue May 30 19:29:44 2000
From: lynnd at techangle.com (Lynn Danielson)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:29:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Addressing
Message-ID: <3933FA88.DA3251FD@techangle.com>

I'd like to get mailman/sendmail to use an alternate
address in the the To: header.  

If I have a listserver on machine-A.com with a cname
of machine-B.com and perhaps an alternate DNS of
myhost.org, how can I configure mailman or sendmail
to address messages to one of these alternate names?
When I set up Mailman, I specified machine-B.com. This
shows up on all of the Mailman web page interfaces.
But when I receive mail from the list, it's always
addressed "To: listname at machine-a.com" instead of
"To: listname at machine-b.com".  Any suggestions for
how to fix this?

Lynn Danielson



From lynnd at techangle.com  Tue May 30 19:34:51 2000
From: lynnd at techangle.com (Lynn Danielson)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:34:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive conversion?
Message-ID: <3933FBBB.2816DFF3@techangle.com>

I'm moving some existing Majordomo lists to Mailman.
One list has an archive, another does not.  Does anyone
know of any tools that can be used to: 1) integrate a
Majordomo archive into Mailman, 2) convert a Netscape
mailbox into a Mailman archive?

Lynn Danielson



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue May 30 19:46:16 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:46:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive conversion? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lynn Danielson <lynnd@techangle.com> 
   of "Tue, 30 May 2000 11:34:51 MDT." <3933FBBB.2816DFF3@techangle.com>
Message-ID: <E12wq5p-00013p-00@rioja.localnet>

lynnd at techangle.com said:
> Does anyone know of any tools that can be used to: 1) integrate a
> Majordomo archive into Mailman, 2) convert a Netscape mailbox into a
> Mailman archive? 

the arch tool (in ~mailman/bin) should do both of these.

	Nigel.
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[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From chuckd at aphid.net  Mon May 29 02:34:08 2000
From: chuckd at aphid.net (Chuck D)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:34:08 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only announcement list
In-Reply-To: <12448.959485529@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:45:29PM -0700
References: <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us> <griffw@nco.northfield.mn.us> <12448.959485529@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000529103408.E16779@aphid.net>

[...]

> >> But the list's web page still tells people how to post. It
> >> displays:
> 
> You may need to hand edit that page.

(As far as I'm aware) You can't do this in MailMan 1.1. Because there is
only one template for the welcome message. Which means if you edit it
then all the lists have that change.

If you really want to change the text for all the lists then look in
mailman/templates/ - particularly subscribeack.txt.

(Has this changed in version 2?)

Regards,
Chuck



From chuckd at aphid.net  Mon May 29 02:40:45 2000
From: chuckd at aphid.net (Chuck D)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:40:45 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail permissions
Message-ID: <20000529104045.F16779@aphid.net>

Hi wonderful MailMan people.

This is slightly off topic but I don't have anywhere better to go.

I am running sendmail as my MTA. Currently I have my mailman aliases in
/etc/mail/mailman-aliases. This file has to be owned by root otherwise
sendmail gives permission denied. I assume this is sendmail being
paranoid rather than actually permission denied, because even if I
change owners to mail or give world write permissions it still gives the
error.

What is the standard way of having a mail aliases file owned by a
regular user (i.e. mailman)? Perhaps I need the DontBlameSendmail
option? 

Or move to Postfix of course. Soon, soon. Actually I set up my home box
with Postfix - it roxors =)

Thanks,
Chuck



From sweidner at efiniti.com  Tue May 30 20:49:55 2000
From: sweidner at efiniti.com (Sheryl Weidner)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:49:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only announcement list
References: <4.2.1.20000527090746.00b274e0@nco.northfield.mn.us> <griffw@nco.northfield.mn.us> <12448.959485529@kanga.nu> <20000529103408.E16779@aphid.net>
Message-ID: <002801bfca67$d8d76420$3c00a8c0@efiniti.com>

| [...]
|
| > >> But the list's web page still tells people how to post. It
| > >> displays:
| >
| > You may need to hand edit that page.
|
| (As far as I'm aware) You can't do this in MailMan 1.1. Because there
is
| only one template for the welcome message. Which means if you edit it
| then all the lists have that change.

Hmm.  I am not running 1.1, I'm running 2.02b, but I am able to modify
each individual page (it lives in the /home/mailman/lists/listname/
directory as "listinfo.html") for each list.  So I modified the
templates in the templates directory to use my stylesheets, backgrounds,
colors, etc. but do the rest of the cleanup for my announce-only lists
by hand.

I wouldn't call it intuitive; you have to be careful which Mailman
widgets you step on in the page, but you can always refer back to the
templates directory if you don't like what you produce.

-Sheryl





From secabeen at pobox.com  Tue May 30 20:51:56 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:51:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail permissions 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 May 2000 10:40:45 +1000."
             <20000529104045.F16779@aphid.net> 
Message-ID: <200005301851.NAA18063@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <20000529104045.F16779 at aphid.net>, Chuck D writes:
>I am running sendmail as my MTA. Currently I have my mailman aliases in
>/etc/mail/mailman-aliases. This file has to be owned by root otherwise
>sendmail gives permission denied. I assume this is sendmail being
>paranoid rather than actually permission denied, because even if I
>change owners to mail or give world write permissions it still gives the
>error.

Here are the permissions on my mailman-owned alias file.  This is in 
~mailman/aliases.  You need to be sure that there are no group-write 
directories all the way down.  Mailman works fine as long as the 
subdirectories under ~mailman are group-write.  ~mailman itself can be 755.  
drwxr-sr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Oct 21  1999 ./
drwxr-sr-x  16 root     mailman      512 Oct 21  1999 ../
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman    83766 May 22 14:52 aliases
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman     4096 May 22 14:52 aliases.dir
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman   164864 May 22 14:52 aliases.pag

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From rrobino at netgranite.net  Tue May 30 20:50:43 2000
From: rrobino at netgranite.net (rrobino at netgranite.net)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:50:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + cgatepro
Message-ID: <20000530115043.A8237@netgranite.net>

Anyone already done the legwork to make Stalker's Communigate
Pro work with mailman lists?

Please email me privately as well as posting to the list if
you have any information. If I don't hear from anyone I'll
figure it out myself and post it back if I get a request to
do so.

TIA,

-- 
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Rick Robino                                  mailto:rrobino at netgranite.net
Sr. Development Engineer                                 v. (503) 222-7706
NetGranite, Inc.				http://www.netgranite.com/



From bwarsaw at python.org  Tue May 30 21:55:01 2000
From: bwarsaw at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:55:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from Guido van Rossum
Message-ID: <14644.7317.69867.465859@anthem.python.org>

Hi folks,

I'm forwarding Guido's announcement to these lists.  It's relevant
here because part of what I am doing officially for BeOpen is work on
Mailman.  This is a very exciting move for all of us, and should be
good for the Mailman community.

As it relates to Mailman, nothing really changes.  Mailman is and will
remain GPL'd open source software.  I'm concentrating on finishing up
the 2.0 release and expect that to happen over the next several weeks.
Currently, I'm sipping through a slow dialup, but expect to get
upgraded to DSL as soon as the local phone company gets their act
together.  This should quicken the pace of my responses and checkins.

Cheers,
-Barry


------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
From: Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org>
Sender: psa-members-announce-admin at python.org
To: python-list at python.org (Python mailing list), python-announce at python.org,
        psa-members-announce at python.org
Subject: [PSA MEMBERS ANNOUNCE] ANNOUNCEMENT: Python Development Team Moves to BeOpen.com
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:05:43 -0500
X-BeenThere: psa-members-announce at python.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta3

To all Python users and developers:

Python is growing rapidly.  In order to take it to the next level,
I've moved with my core development group to a new employer,
BeOpen.com.  BeOpen.com is a startup company with a focus on open
source communities, and an interest in facilitating next generation
application development.  It is a natural fit for Python.

At BeOpen.com I am the director of a new development team named
PythonLabs.  The team includes three of my former colleagues at CNRI:
Fred Drake, Jeremy Hylton, and Barry Warsaw.  Another familiar face
will joins us shortly: Tim Peters.  We have our own website
(www.pythonlabs.com) where you can read more about us, our plans and
our activities.  We've also posted a FAQ there specifically about
PythonLabs, our transition to BeOpen.com, and what it means for the
Python community.

What will change, and what will stay the same? First of all, Python
will remain Open Source.  In fact, everything we produce at PythonLabs
will be released with an Open Source license.  Also, www.python.org
will remain the number one website for the Python community.  CNRI
will continue to host it, and we'll maintain it as a community
project.

What changes is how much time we have for Python.  Previously, Python
was a hobby or side project, which had to compete with our day jobs;
at BeOpen.com we will be focused full time on Python development! This
means that we'll be able to spend much more time on exciting new
projects like Python 3000.  We'll also get support for website
management from BeOpen.com's professional web developers, and we'll
work with their marketing department.

Marketing for Python, you ask? Sure, why not! We want to grow the size
of the Python user and developer community at an even faster pace than
today.  This should benefit everyone: the larger the community, the
more resources will be available to all, and the easier it will be to
find Python expertise when you need it.  We're also planning to make
commercial offerings (within the Open Source guidelines!) to help
Python find its way into the hands of more programmers, especially in
large enterprises where adoption is still lagging.

There's one piece of bad news: Python 1.6 won't be released by June
1st.  There's simply too much left to be done.  We promise that we'll
get it out of the door as soon as possible.  By the way, Python 1.6
will be the last release from CNRI; after that, we'll issue Python
releases from BeOpen.com.

Oh, and to top it all off, I'm going on vacation.  I'm getting married
and will be relaxing on my honeymoon.  For all questions about
PythonLabs, write to pythonlabs-info at beopen.com.

- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

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From across01 at emerald.tufts.edu  Tue May 30 23:31:02 2000
From: across01 at emerald.tufts.edu (Anne Cross)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large-number of users in Mailman/switching from Listproc
In-Reply-To: <20000529160005.56D6E1CD92@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005301728310.15062-100000@emerald.tufts.edu>

Currently, Tufts University is looking at switching from Listproc to
something a little more stable and a lot easier to administrate.  All the
things I've seen in testing Mailman would tend to indicate that I've found
an acceptable replacement for Listproc.  

However, I'd appreciate any firsthand accounts from administrators of more
than 300 lists, or more than 5000 users, or anyone who's switched from
Listproc to Mailman.

	Regards,
	Anne

Anne Cross
System Administrator, Tufts University
"In books and ages and life, the ending can never truly be written." -Riven




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue May 30 23:30:47 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:30:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail permissions
In-Reply-To: <20000529104045.F16779@aphid.net>
References: <20000529104045.F16779@aphid.net>
Message-ID: <20000530173047.A7768@xcski.com>

Quoting Chuck D (chuckd at aphid.net):
> I am running sendmail as my MTA. Currently I have my mailman aliases in
> /etc/mail/mailman-aliases. This file has to be owned by root otherwise
> sendmail gives permission denied. I assume this is sendmail being
> paranoid rather than actually permission denied, because even if I
> change owners to mail or give world write permissions it still gives the
> error.
> 
> What is the standard way of having a mail aliases file owned by a
> regular user (i.e. mailman)? Perhaps I need the DontBlameSendmail
> option? 

Don't know about recent sendmail versions, but under 8.8, all I had to do
was put the mailman user in the T class, and put the alias file in the
"O AliasFile" class.


-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
.... Oh, wait a minute, he already does."



From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us  Wed May 31 00:15:09 2000
From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:15:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list confirmation question
Message-ID: <39343D6D.BD2811DB@opac.osl.state.or.us>

I have setup Mailman and am able to setup a list and do administrative
things, but when I try to send the confirmation information when
subscribing (I tried just replying and also sending the confirmation
info directly to mailman_test-request), I get the following message. Can
anyone tell me what this means?

<mailman_test-request at sparkie.osl.state.or.us>: Command died with status
2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailman_test"
-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503.378.4246
chris at opac.osl.state.or.us



From palsina at chasque.net  Tue May 30 19:11:49 2000
From: palsina at chasque.net (Pablo Alsina)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:11:49 +0300 (GMT-3)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IE auth problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005301959350.22463-100000@obiwan.paullier.net>

Hi!
	I'm managing several lists now and are very happy with Mailman,
but I'm having problems with listadmins who use IE5. They are all bounced
back to the password promt screen after every submit, and the changes they
made on their list config does get lost.

	I (myself) use Netscape and does not have those problems. Using NS
or IE on the same machine produces the same results: IE fails, NS works.

	Searching for this problem on the list archives, I found messages
suggesting that time differences between MM server and browser client
could be a problem, but the they are almost identical (I even extended the
cookie timeout period), or that DEFAULT_URL should be as client sees it,
and it is.

Any suggestion?

Thanks,
Pablo




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed May 31 05:13:13 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:13:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large-number of users in Mailman/switching from Listproc 
In-Reply-To: Message from Anne Cross <across01@emerald.tufts.edu> 
   of "Tue, 30 May 2000 17:31:02 EDT." <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005301728310.15062-100000@emerald.tufts.edu> 
References: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005301728310.15062-100000@emerald.tufts.edu> 
Message-ID: <12515.959742793@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 30 May 2000 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT) 
Anne Cross <across01 at emerald.tufts.edu> wrote:

> However, I'd appreciate any firsthand accounts from administrators
> of more than 300 lists, or more than 5000 users, or anyone who's
> switched from Listproc to Mailman.

Tehre are some performance concerns with the curren't version of
Mailman's administration interface on systems hosting large numbers
of lists.  This has been fixed in the current CVS tree, but that
hasn't rolled yet.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From ashrafi at atinegar.com  Wed May 31 05:56:59 2000
From: ashrafi at atinegar.com (ashrafi)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:26:59 +0430
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't call server function
Message-ID: <20000531035839.404B81CE09@dinsdale.python.org>

I have a problem by my corba program in delphi,
So when I want to type cast for early binding it retuens nil, why?

with IUnknown(Client_DM.CorbaConnection1.AppServer ) as IFirstCorbaDM do
   MyServerFunc;

whitch :
  TFirstCorbaDM = class(TCorbaDataModule, IFirstCorbaDM) 
  .....
 end;

is my server data module

please help me.





From nagarjun at hbcse.tifr.res.in  Wed May 31 06:03:37 2000
From: nagarjun at hbcse.tifr.res.in (Nagarjuna G.)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:33:37 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IE auth problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005301959350.22463-100000@obiwan.paullier.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005310930250.23324-100000@hbcse.tifr.res.in>

On Tue, 30 May 2000, Pablo Alsina wrote:

->
->Hi!
->	I'm managing several lists now and are very happy with Mailman,
->but I'm having problems with listadmins who use IE5. They are all bounced
->back to the password promt screen after every submit, and the changes they
->made on their list config does get lost.
->
->	I (myself) use Netscape and does not have those problems. Using NS
->or IE on the same machine produces the same results: IE fails, NS works.

I am facing the problem from both IE as well as NS. I have reported the same
problem about ten days back.  So far no suggestions/solutions! 


Nagarjuna:-(





From dgc at uchicago.edu  Wed May 31 06:13:36 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large-number of users in Mailman/switching from Listproc
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005301728310.15062-100000@emerald.tufts.edu>; from across01@emerald.tufts.edu on Tue, May 30, 2000 at 05:31:02PM -0400
References: <20000529160005.56D6E1CD92@dinsdale.python.org> <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005301728310.15062-100000@emerald.tufts.edu>
Message-ID: <20000530231336.F16098@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.05.30, in <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005301728310.15062-100000 at emerald.tufts.edu>,
	"Anne Cross" <across01 at emerald.tufts.edu> wrote:
> Currently, Tufts University is looking at switching from Listproc to
> something a little more stable and a lot easier to administrate.  All the
> things I've seen in testing Mailman would tend to indicate that I've found
> an acceptable replacement for Listproc.  
> 
> However, I'd appreciate any firsthand accounts from administrators of more
> than 300 lists, or more than 5000 users, or anyone who's switched from
> Listproc to Mailman.

We operate 578 lists right now -- we add two or three per day.  Most
are under 100 members, but 80 or so are between [100 and 999], four
are between 1000 and 4000, and one is slightly over 20000.  We've
switched over the last six months from Majordomo to Mailman, with mixed
results.

Majordomo seems to give users a lot more of the flexibility they seem
to want.  It's a very rough judgment, without numbers to back it up,
but it seems that very few of our list admins take advantage of the
spiffier features in Mailman.  They mostly don't seem to care -- they
just want a nice webby front-end, and we never ran MajorCool or any of
the other front-ends to Majordomo.  The ones we hear from, by and
large, miss things like editing a message before approving it and
resubmitting it to the list, or viewing list options as a file, and
being able to save that file locally.  There's not a lot of complaint,
except when they get those irritating tracebacks in the web browser.
We're still running a very old non-release, though, so I'm not sure
whether that counts for much.  (We'll be upgrading once the academic
year is up, and 2.0 is out.)

The package is severely underdocumented.  For a lot of people, it's
sufficiently self-documenting, or they just don't care about what they
don't understand.  But we do spend upward of an hour per day dealing
with list support issues of one kind or another.  Often the information
is there, but they simply don't "get it".  I'm not convinced this is
strictly a reading-comprehension problem.  The people we spend most
time with have technical problems with how, or how well, Mailman passes
mail through cleanly, or they can't figure out how which options to use
-- generally NOT stuff covered in the Aurora documentation project,
which we've linked to.

As J.C. mentioned, Mailman's web interface doesn't always perform very
well at these levels, but I wait eagerly to see how this improves once
2.0 is released.  (I think this is what he was referring to.)  It's not
bad for the smaller lists, but web interaction is slow, and listing the
lists is excruciating.  The general lag is surely, in part, because we
SSL the whole kit & kaboodle to protect passwords.

Performance, SMTP-wise, seems fine.  We certainly do notice a big drop
in performance when we mail to the 20K-member list.  The several-
thousands lists don't usually seem to strain the system noticeably, but
they're not very busy lists, and I'm sure that if we knew a message was
going through, we could detect the performance hit.  Our server is a
dual-processor Sun Enterprise 2, and it routes other mail, as well.

Turn off the periodic emailed password reminders.  They're just not a
good idea -- sorry.

My biggest complaint with Mailman so far is that so many database
modifications are unavailable unless you can write Python.  The package
stores list and user information in database files from Python's
"cPickle" module.  I hope that's technically correct; I only gather
this from a rough skimming of the code.  In our version, it also stores
queued mail in the cPickle databases, though I think this has (will?)
change.  Since the configs are not text, and Mailman/Python provide no
tools for direct manipulation, and this pickle stuff is not a portable
(and ported) format, you really need to know Python and a fair amount
of Mailman's innards to manipulate configuration data outside the web
interface.  For our volume and environment, this is occasionally
necessary and often very useful, but we don't have any full-time
employees who are Python programmers, so we grasp and scratch.  The
"withlist" script makes this marginally more convenient, but you still
have to know some Python, and no, sorry, wrong, Python is not the
Everyman's programming language it's sometimes touted as.

I think I'm leaving some things out, and I suspect some people will
have rebuttal to things I've said, so I'm leaving this in the open for
commentary.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed May 31 06:26:57 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:26:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large-number of users in Mailman/switching fr
	om Listproc
Message-ID: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F8143@email.cu-portland.edu>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Champion [mailto:dgc at uchicago.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:14 PM
> To: Anne Cross
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Large-number of users in 
> Mailman/switching
> from Listproc
> 
[snip]
> The package is severely underdocumented.  For a lot of people, it's
> sufficiently self-documenting, or they just don't care about what they
> don't understand.  But we do spend upward of an hour per day dealing
> with list support issues of one kind or another.  Often the 
> information
> is there, but they simply don't "get it".  I'm not convinced this is
> strictly a reading-comprehension problem.  The people we spend most
> time with have technical problems with how, or how well, 
> Mailman passes
> mail through cleanly, or they can't figure out how which 
> options to use
> -- generally NOT stuff covered in the Aurora documentation project,
> which we've linked to.

Since I've only got 2 lists on my server right now (test, and test2), I
can't comment on performance, but I will do so on the documentation.  There
isn't much.  Not hard to get installed, although binary packages would be
nice.  Looks like we'll be using this when fall rolls around for all of our
lists at the University where I work, so I will at least have to write
something that I send to the profs who will be running the lists.

Oh, one more thing. 8^) It would be nice if there was some way to set
defaults for EVERYTHING, through the web interface.  The suggestions that
I've gotten for setting reply-to: headers to the list by default are to go
in and change mm_config.py, or some other damn file.  I know it's evil, but
half of the people on our lists don't know even know how to turn on a
computer, so it's definately a necessity for our environment.  
Later,
	Greg



From bwarsaw at python.org  Wed May 31 06:30:39 2000
From: bwarsaw at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:30:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with SMTPDirect / Security Bug? 
References: <E12uA4p-0000KA-00@rioja.localnet>
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.10005231200180.803-100000@obiwan.paullier.net>
Message-ID: <14644.38255.412929.562133@anthem.python.org>

>>>>> "PA" == Pablo Alsina <palsina at chasque.net> writes:

    PA> I would be happy not using it, but it seems like the only way
    PA> to get the it working. Is someone using MailMan and SMTPDirect
    PA> to handle a 3000+ subs. mailing list with success?

Just to follow up, as I'm desperately trying to clear my backlog.  The
latest CVS snapshot adds back support for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in
SMTPDirect.py and I've tested it with 10000 fake addresses[1] and 6
real ones.  AFAICT, delivery is working for this scenario, so beta3
should work much better for large lists.

-Barry

[1] For Postfixers, what I did was create a dummy transport for a fake
domain.  The transport's argv=/bin/true and then I subscribed 10000
addresses in that domain to the list.  If anybody has a better way of
doing this in Postfix, please let me know.



From roland.krause at amd.com  Wed May 31 10:27:24 2000
From: roland.krause at amd.com (Roland Krause)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:27:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] switching from one server to another
Message-ID: <1000531102724.ZM25424@exter>

I want to switch mailman from one server to another. Is there an easy way
to do so? Have I only to change names in mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py or have
I to reinstall the whole thing?


                  : Judge your success by what you had
                  : to give up in order to get
Roland            : it.      
                  :       
                  :       




From tagata at rand.co.jp  Wed May 31 10:30:14 2000
From: tagata at rand.co.jp (Akira Tagata)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:30:14 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem archiving Japanese messages
In-Reply-To: <393381343AC.7CE9OSKAR@cs> (message from Oskar Bartenstein on
	Tue, 30 May 2000 17:52:04 +0900)
References: <E12wh48-0002ES-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp> <393381343AC.7CE9OSKAR@cs>
Message-ID: <E12x3tG-0000Fj-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp>

> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:52:04 +0900
> From: Oskar Bartenstein <oskar at ifcomputer.co.jp>

Thanks for your suggestion.

> In /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py  I use
> 
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/local/bin/nkf -e |/usr/bin/mhonarc -rcfile /us
> r/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/mhonarc.rc -add -umask 022 -outdir /home/mailman/arc
> hives/public/%(listname)s -multipg  -expireage 2592000 -idxsize 15 -reverse  -id
> xfname index.html)'


I have modified Archiver.py to invoke nkf from Mailman before the internal
archiver process as follows.  Your hint was so valuable.


| $ diff Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py.20000531 
| 233,241d232
| < 		    ########## nkf before internal archiver ##########
| < 		    import popen2
| < 		    (nkfout, nkfin) = popen2.popen2('/usr/bin/nkf -me')
| < 		    nkfin.write(txt)
| < 		    nkfin.close()
| < 		    tmptxt = nkfout.read()
| < 		    nkfout.close()
| < 		    txt = tmptxt
| < 		    ########## nkf before internal archiver ##########

The original code is from Mailman v1.1 on the Debian GNU/Linux 2.1
distribution.

This may not be a good manner because I am only a newbie for Python.


> 
> Oskar
> --
> Tue, 30 May 2000 17:07:56 +0900 Akira Tagata <tagata at rand.co.jp> said:
> <snip>
> > I need to know where and/or how I insert this filter(*) in the Mailman.
> <snip>
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


-- 
Akira Tagata <tagata at rand.co.jp>
R&D Computer Co., Ltd. / Tokyo



From tagata at rand.co.jp  Wed May 31 10:45:14 2000
From: tagata at rand.co.jp (Akira Tagata)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:45:14 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem archiving Japanese messages
In-Reply-To: <E12x3tG-0000Fj-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp> (message from Akira
	Tagata on Wed, 31 May 2000 17:30:14 +0900)
References: <E12wh48-0002ES-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp> <393381343AC.7CE9OSKAR@cs> <E12x3tG-0000Fj-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp>
Message-ID: <E12x47m-0000GC-00@silhouette.adv.rand.co.jp>

This was wrong.

> From: Akira Tagata <tagata at rand.co.jp>
> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:30:14 +0900

[snip]

> I have modified Archiver.py to invoke nkf from Mailman before the internal
> archiver process as follows.  Your hint was so valuable.
> 
> 
> | $ diff Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py.20000531 
> | 233,241d232
> | < 		    ########## nkf before internal archiver ##########
> | < 		    import popen2
> | < 		    (nkfout, nkfin) = popen2.popen2('/usr/bin/nkf -me')
> | < 		    nkfin.write(txt)
> | < 		    nkfin.close()
> | < 		    tmptxt = nkfout.read()
> | < 		    nkfout.close()
> | < 		    txt = tmptxt
> | < 		    ########## nkf before internal archiver ##########
> 
> The original code is from Mailman v1.1 on the Debian GNU/Linux 2.1
> distribution.
> 
> This may not be a good manner because I am only a newbie for Python.

A large text process was blocked.
Let me know how to escape from this blocking.


[snip]


-- 
Akira Tagata <tagata at rand.co.jp>
R&D Computer Co., Ltd. / Tokyo



From gatt at netspace.net.au  Wed May 31 11:10:28 2000
From: gatt at netspace.net.au (David Gatt)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:10:28 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Textbridge and agfa 1212U scanner
Message-ID: <B55B1423.1AA%gatt@netspace.net.au>

Hi, I own a copy
of textbridge version 8 serial number 9906EJ00414 which I purchased about 2
months ago and cannot get it to work properly with an imac and OS 8.6 using
an agfa 1212U scanner. I think I need version 8.5 but can't find the
download, Can you help.
Thanks David Gatt. 



From mw at ectool.de  Wed May 31 16:04:30 2000
From: mw at ectool.de (Wochele, Markus)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:04:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problems
Message-ID: <01BFCB19.E7C17720.mw@ectool.de>

hi there,

i have a little problem with my mailman installation.

the file:   /home/mailman/logs/smtp   

Apr 27 17:12:00 2000 (1851) All recipients refused: host not found


I don't receive any mailinglist emails (no error, no mail .... nothing).

Because why ???
Please write me back.

regards,
Markus





From mw at ectool.de  Wed May 31 16:45:38 2000
From: mw at ectool.de (Wochele, Markus)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:45:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp problems ?
Message-ID: <01BFCB1F.A6E95F00.mw@ectool.de>

hi there,

i have a little problem with my mailman installation.

the file:   /home/mailman/logs/smtp   

Apr 27 17:12:00 2000 (1851) All recipients refused: host not found


I don't receive any mailinglist emails (no error, no mail .... nothing).

Because why ???
Please write me back.

regards,
Markus



From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed May 31 18:33:23 2000
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:33:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approved messages in 2.0beta3 not archived
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005311223310.16287-100000@alb-net.com>

Hello,

Some testing with 2.0beta3 revealed that the approved message are not being
archived properly. Actually, the messages get into the list.mbox file but
they are missing the "From "  line and therefore do not show on the
archive page.

later,
Mentor





From satyap at satyaonline.cjb.net  Wed May 31 18:42:07 2000
From: satyap at satyaonline.cjb.net (Satya)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:12:07 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp problems ?
In-Reply-To: <01BFCB1F.A6E95F00.mw@ectool.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005312210300.2022-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On May 31, 2000 at 16:45, Wochele, Markus wrote:

>i have a little problem with my mailman installation.
>
>the file:   /home/mailman/logs/smtp   
>
>Apr 27 17:12:00 2000 (1851) All recipients refused: host not found
>
>I don't receive any mailinglist emails (no error, no mail .... nothing).

It *looks* like your SMTP server is refusing connections from
mailman-spawned processes. Check Mailman/mm_config.py (something like
that) and check the hostnames in it. You're not getting mail because
mailman can't send any.

-- 
Satya. http://satya.virtualave.net/
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see http://quickapps.cjb.net/
The sigmonster ate my sig and all I got was this stupid tagline.





From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Wed May 31 19:35:12 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:35:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] switching from one server to another
References: <1000531102724.ZM25424@exter>
Message-ID: <39354D50.5FD84E7E@west.sun.com>


Roland Krause wrote:
> 
> I want to switch mailman from one server to another. Is there an easy way
> to do so? Have I only to change names in mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py or have
> I to reinstall the whole thing?

It's nearly as easy to reinstall.

When you move lists, consider using bin/move_list from 2.0+; unless
you put things in the same directory, there are things in config.db
that realize their own locations permanently.



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Wed May 31 19:49:05 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:49:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large-number of users in Mailman/switching from 
 Listproc
References: <A5F46F4ED18FD211ABEE00105AC6CF077F8143@email.cu-portland.edu>
Message-ID: <39355091.CB107574@west.sun.com>


Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> Oh, one more thing. 8^) It would be nice if there was some way to set
> defaults for EVERYTHING, through the web interface.  The suggestions that
> I've gotten for setting reply-to: headers to the list by default are to go
> in and change mm_config.py, or some other damn file.  I know it's evil, but
> half of the people on our lists don't know even know how to turn on a
> computer, so it's definately a necessity for our environment.

You can set Reply-To from the web interface in 2.0.  Until then, you can
set 'From' to the list address (and remove Reply-To).  I personally think
that's a *very* stupid idea (if people can't tell the difference between
"reply to all" and "reply to sender", you really, really don't want them
using an email list, for the combined benefit of all on the list).



From thomas at xs4all.net  Wed May 31 20:10:26 2000
From: thomas at xs4all.net (Thomas Wouters)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:10:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] approved messages in 2.0beta3 not archived
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005311223310.16287-100000@alb-net.com>; from mentor@alb-net.com on Wed, May 31, 2000 at 12:33:23PM -0400
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005311223310.16287-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <20000531201026.K469@xs4all.nl>

On Wed, May 31, 2000 at 12:33:23PM -0400, Mentor Cana wrote:

> Some testing with 2.0beta3 revealed that the approved message are not being
> archived properly. Actually, the messages get into the list.mbox file but
> they are missing the "From "  line and therefore do not show on the
> archive page.

Yes. This has been true for a while. I've posted a fix a couple of times.
It's even listed in the Mailman SourceForge Patches page, together with
another patch of mine. I hope Barry gets time to add it soonish ;-P (as well
as raise the Postfix command time on python.org, i got another bounce this
morning. Nudge nudge, Barry. ;)

-- 
Thomas Wouters <thomas at xs4all.net>

Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!



From marouf at earlham.edu  Wed May 31 20:26:54 2000
From: marouf at earlham.edu (Nick)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:26:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo Conversion
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005311223310.16287-100000@alb-net.com> <20000531201026.K469@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <3935596E.7533D328@earlham.edu>

Hi,
	Does anyone know of a way or has a script that will take a majordomo
list config file and create a new list in Mailman with those
configuration. Once you are talking about 300-400 lists, it would be
nice to automate that.

Thanks
Nick
--
Nicholas Marouf || Earlham College || Assistant System Administrator.



From bill.hoffman at kitware.com  Wed May 31 23:02:44 2000
From: bill.hoffman at kitware.com (Bill Hoffman)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:02:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving archives
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000531165912.00d96610@pop.nycap.rr.com>

Hello,

I am upgrading from majordomo to mailman.  Is there
a way to move the old archives into the mailman format?

Thanks.





From marouf at earlham.edu  Wed May 31 23:09:36 2000
From: marouf at earlham.edu (Nick)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving archives
References: <4.2.0.58.20000531165912.00d96610@pop.nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39357F90.A64BA9E6@earlham.edu>

And to mention it again. :) sorry
    Also a way to move config files (if possible) ???

thanks guys
Nick

Bill Hoffman wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am upgrading from majordomo to mailman.  Is there
> a way to move the old archives into the mailman format?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
Nicholas Marouf || Earlham College || Assistant System Administrator.


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From nevernes at openbsd.bulgaria.org  Sun May  7 12:13:07 2000
From: nevernes at openbsd.bulgaria.org (neverness in the neverland)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 06:13:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest users problem
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0005070609400.30454-100000@neverland.com>

Hi,

I have problem with sendmail hanging only when mailman sends
email to digest users:
root     16543  0.0  0.5   584   604 ??  I      4:12AM    0:00.01
sendmail: server IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] child wait (sendmail)
root      3922  0.0  0.6   628   748 ??  I      4:12AM    0:00.02
sendmail: EAA03922 IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]: data (sendmail)
root     32632  0.0  0.5   584   608 ??  I      4:42AM    0:00.01
sendmail: server IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] child wait (sendmail)
root     21281  0.0  0.6   628   752 ??  I      4:42AM    0:00.02
sendmail: EAA21281 IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]: data (sendmail)
root      8302  0.0  0.5   584   592 ??  I      5:12AM    0:00.01
sendmail: server IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] child wait (sendmail)
root     27447  0.0  0.6   628   752 ??  I      5:12AM    0:00.02
sendmail: FAA27447 IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]: data (sendmail)
root      7362  0.0  0.5   584   592 ??  I      5:42AM    0:00.01
sendmail: server IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] child wait (sendmail)
root       149  0.0  0.6   628   752 ??  I      5:42AM    0:00.02
sendmail: FAA00149 IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]: data (sendmail)

It seems that mailman never sends the whole message. Any ideas ?

Openbsd 2.6, sendmail 8.9.3, mailman-2.0beta2. 

Everything else seems to be working fine.

thanks




From thacker at bloomington.in.us  Wed May  3 08:24:07 2000
From: thacker at bloomington.in.us (Mike Thacker)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:24:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <NBBBJAHPFHMLNGLHOMMMOEHKCDAA.thacker@bloomington.in.us>

I?m considering Mailman for a
new server I?m building.

Can I start off a mailist by
importing a .CSV?

Can I customize a defualt
E-Mail   ie. put the recipient
?s name at the beginning of
the body?
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