From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Sun Apr  1 01:26:55 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:26:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available nowor not?
References: <Message from JC Dill <mailman@vo.cnchost.com>
	 <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
	 <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com>
	 <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010331065752.03142790@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <3AC667BF.B50A3642@west.sun.com>

> <rant>
> I'm just not sure.  I mean, if it's that easy, why hasn't THIS LIST BEEN
> CONFIGURED TO DO JUST THAT?????
> </rant>
> 
> How do I know you aren't misleading me?  If it's that easy, certainly this
> list would have been properly configured.  

Will you grow up, JC?

Is it possible that it's not so configured simply because the list admin
is nowhere near as anal-retentive as you are?



From bootc at worldnet.fr  Sun Apr  1 01:43:01 2001
From: bootc at worldnet.fr (Chris Boot)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:43:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Info page showing wrong e-mail address
Message-ID: <B6EC3825.CCB5%bootc@worldnet.fr>

Hi all,

I just set up Mailman 2.0.3 on my web server -- very nice stuff!

I've set everything up as per the INSTALL file, but when I go to my
/mailman/listinfo.cgi page without specifying a list, the list owner e-mail
address is not @DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, but at the machine's DNS host name...

I'm on a virtual host, so this means a lot to me.  None of the other pages
are affected, even /mailman/listinfo.cgi/test, which is the list info page
for the test list I set up.

Any ideas?  Did I just discover a stupid bug?  Do I need to change
Defaults.py?

-- 
Chris Boot
bootc at worldnet.fr

"use the source, luke." (obi-wan gnuobi)





From petyob at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  1 11:46:58 2001
From: petyob at yahoo.com (Petyo Byankov)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:46:58 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachs and list archive...
References: <01033012454804.05305@bubble.grupo-apex.es>
Message-ID: <01db01c0ba90$bbaa96f0$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>

Hello Felipe,
This problem bothers me also but seems not mailman's guys.
Personally i intend to look for a solution into MS Exchange using.
This way i will get perfect view and search.
It's true that i can't configure it by flat text files but it's made.
I like the idea of open source projects but the make usually limp.

Best regards.
Petyo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felipe Sanchez Elich" <felipe at apex-ctr.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 3:45 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachs and list archive...


> hello...
> How can I see the attachs in the list archive in a correct format instead
a 7
> bit text?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Felipe
>
>





From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Sun Apr  1 18:37:20 2001
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:37:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <15044.44208.559161.623604@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3AC6F6D0.25146.484EE8D@localhost>

Which is a good addition to what I was asking for as a feature. My 
request was and is that we can set the default domain at the time of 
list creation so that the welcome email goes out with the right 
domain and the list is pre-configured with the right domain so I 
don't have to go into the admin screen and change it.


Thanks,

Richard

On 30 Mar 2001, at 10:56, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> 
> >>>>> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne <rpyne at kinfolk.org> writes:
> 
>     RBP> There is the difference, I run ONE copy of Mailman for the
>     RBP> entire server. There should be no need to run a separate copy
>     RBP> for each virtual domain.
> 
> There should be no problem with this /except/ if you want lists with
> the same name in different virtual domains.  That is the missing
> feature that should be added to Mailman.
> 
> -Barry
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From alex at phred.org  Sun Apr  1 17:39:38 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:39:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trim/cut/delete (was RE:Mailman-Users digest,
 Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs)
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010331070744.031535d0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104010838000.52095-100000@phred.org>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, JC Dill wrote:
> Is there an option to block completely quoted digests?  That would be sweet!

I handle this fairly easily by making my digest size 30kb, and my 
maximum message size 20kb.  If someone comments to an entire digest
then it'll be larger than the maximum message size and so it will
be held for review.

Stripmime (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html) has some 
commented out code that attempts to detect large quoted sections
and trim them if they run over 50 lines.  It was a bit buggy
though, which is why it is no longer in use.

alex




From alex at phred.org  Sun Apr  1 17:41:28 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available nowor not?
In-Reply-To: <3AC667BF.B50A3642@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104010840310.52095-100000@phred.org>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> > <rant>
> > I'm just not sure.  I mean, if it's that easy, why hasn't THIS LIST BEEN
> > CONFIGURED TO DO JUST THAT?????
> > </rant>
> > 
> > How do I know you aren't misleading me?  If it's that easy, certainly this
> > list would have been properly configured.  
> 
> Will you grow up, JC?

I also would like to suggest that perhaps JC installs Mailman and
plays with it.  He seems to be asking a lot of basic functionality
questions that he could probably answer for himself by playing with
the software (or even reading documentation).

alex




From bootc at worldnet.fr  Sun Apr  1 17:48:02 2001
From: bootc at worldnet.fr (Chris Boot)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:48:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Info page showing wrong e-mail address
In-Reply-To: <B6EC3825.CCB5%bootc@worldnet.fr>
Message-ID: <B6ED1A51.CD1E%bootc@worldnet.fr>

Hi,

Sorry for bothering you guys, I've figured it out.  The problem was that the
compiled Defaults.py (.pyc) wasn't getting the host name to set the owner
from.  I just had to override the owner variable in my mm_cfg.py file, and
add was well.

> I just set up Mailman 2.0.3 on my web server -- very nice stuff!
> 
> I've set everything up as per the INSTALL file, but when I go to my
> /mailman/listinfo.cgi page without specifying a list, the list owner e-mail
> address is not @DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, but at the machine's DNS host name...
> 
> I'm on a virtual host, so this means a lot to me.  None of the other pages
> are affected, even /mailman/listinfo.cgi/test, which is the list info page
> for the test list I set up.
> 
> Any ideas?  Did I just discover a stupid bug?  Do I need to change
> Defaults.py?

-- 
Chris Boot
bootc at worldnet.fr

Life is hard. Concrete is hard. Life is concrete.




From schnippy at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  1 19:24:11 2001
From: schnippy at earthlink.net (Greg Schnippel)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:24:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Syntax error while trying to install Mailman..
Message-ID: <NDBBJHMBAKCJLCODBOINMECMGBAA.schnippy@earthlink.net>

I have been trying to get mailman installed on my system
for some time now and this error seems to be the last
stumbling block..

----------------------------------
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 32, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/usr/home/sitename/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822
    raise
        ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
----------------------------------

Here is the configure command I run right before trying a 'make install'.

./configure --prefix=/usr/home/sitename/usr/local/mailman --with-python=/usr
/home/sitename/usr/local/python/bin/python --with-username=username --with-g
roupname=groupname --with-cgi-gid=100 --with-mail-gid=100

and here is my system configuration:

BSD
python 1.6

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Greg







From josh at ssimr.com  Sun Apr  1 20:34:15 2001
From: josh at ssimr.com (josh at ssimr.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:34:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this NetBSD or the common Group ID problem
Message-ID: <20010401143414.A20946@ssimr.com>

I noticed that I'm having some problems with my test list. I
configured with the following command below. 31 is the group ID
"guest" and 39 in "nobody". 


./configure --with-mail-gid=31 --with-cgi-gid=39

As far as I can tell when a new file is created or has its permissions
changed from the web based system - so that "nobody" is the owner, the
commands run - even with all the sgid bits set, don't have access to
them because they are running as guest. That is the mechanism is
insufficient to provide permissions.

The notes for BSD systems say that the sgid feature is not needed
because of the directory permissions inheritance inherent in BSD. I've
tried it both ways and I am still having problems.

I almost wish there was a setup option to simply have the files picked
up by a procmailrc file in /home/mailman - it would be more efficient
than running a cron job every minute. (I'd try to set it up but I
don't know the first thing about python.)


-- 
Josh Kuperman
josh at ssimr.com
http://www.ssimr.com


System notes: Macintosh Quadra 660av running NetBSD 1.5

I am working mostly from tarballs because it seems to be more fun. 

I'm having these problems with Mailman 2.0.3

Apache 1.3.14 from the NetBSD package system.
sendmail 8.11.2 
procmail 3.15.1
Python 2.0 



From stephanie at hawkbane.net  Sun Apr  1 15:55:05 2001
From: stephanie at hawkbane.net (Develia the Wicked)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:55:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An enhancement Suggestion
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104010852110.18752-100000@hawkbane.net>

Not sure how to get this to the folks who write mailman so trying this
way.

If there were an option to record a nickname or realname in the database
that is associated with the email listing, it would prove very handy in a
couple of ways.

I have used mailman to run mailing lists for a few
organizations.  Sometimes a member may ask me to make a change, or I might
need to make sure that someone is removed when they leave the
organization, etc.  Righ tnow to do that I have to cross reference a list
of real names/nicknames with email addresses which can take some time.

If instead, when a person subscribes (or is added by an administrator) we
could attach some sort of an identifier outside the email address, it
would help alot with ensuring that my lists are as accurate as possible.

You could even attach the same information to the adminitrators, etc, so
that rather than displaying an email address as the hotlink for who runs a
given list, you could display their name.

Wonder if anyone else would find this useful?

Stephanie





From barry at digicool.com  Sun Apr  1 21:35:14 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:35:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or not?
References: <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com>
	<5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <15047.33522.296972.853603@anthem.wooz.org>

Dan already answered the other questions, so I'll just add a bit here...

>>>>> "JD" == JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com> writes:

    JD> how about implementing simple filter so that if a
    JD> non-subscriber's post mentions one or more keywords, let it
    JD> through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it goes to the
    JD> moderator?

While you can do this with a bit of (easy) Python hacking, as Dan
mentioned, there will be some opportunities to add this feature more
directly, based on some work that will happen on Mailman in the near
future.  I'll keep this in mind.

-Barry



From barry at digicool.com  Sun Apr  1 21:48:43 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:48:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and CommunigatePro?
References: <B6EAB24F.A70%david@idiomatrix.com>
Message-ID: <15047.34331.497003.574772@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DH" == David Herren <david at idiomatrix.com> writes:

    DH> Does anyone have any experience using Mailman with
    DH> CommunigatePro from Stalker Software? CGPro also has some list
    DH> functionality, but I am already running a number of lists with
    DH> Mailman that I am loathe to have to move (to say nothing of
    DH> the fact that the list functionality in CGPro costs money I
    DH> don't have...)

Heh.  Well, Digital Creations (my employer) uses CGPro for its
internal mail system.  There are a number of things we don't like
about CGPro w.r.t. mailing lists, including the pain of configuring it
correctly, its tendency to bogusly divulge internal list names, and
the privilege of paying for every extra list we want to run.  I'm not
the CGPro administrator, so I can't speak to many more details, but
suffice to say we're probably going to be moving all our internal
lists to Mailman as soon as we can find the cycles.

Other than that, and speaking purely as a user, CGPro seems to have
some nice features.

-Barry



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Apr  1 22:48:57 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An enhancement Suggestion 
In-Reply-To: Message from Develia the Wicked <stephanie@hawkbane.net> 
   of "Sun, 01 Apr 2001 08:55:05 CDT." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104010852110.18752-100000@hawkbane.net> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104010852110.18752-100000@hawkbane.net> 
Message-ID: <16928.986158137@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:55:05 -0500 (CDT) 
Develia the Wicked <stephanie at hawkbane.net> wrote:

> If there were an option to record a nickname or realname in the
> database that is associated with the email listing, it would prove
> very handy in a couple of ways.

This is a common request, and should happen.  Some of the
discussions we've had in regard to the v3 architecture should make
this easy to accomplish, especially once you get things like LDAP
integration.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From david at idiomatrix.com  Sun Apr  1 23:48:31 2001
From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and CommunigatePro?
In-Reply-To: <15047.34331.497003.574772@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <auto-000000300644@idiomatrix.com>

I'm still curious as to whether or not it will work given that Mailman is 
essentially expecting sendmail and that one has to do some interesting 
things with aliases for sendmail as part of setting up Mailman lists... I'
m just not certain how one would go about setting up the equivalent alias 
functionality in CGatePro...

On Sunday, April 1, 2001, at 03:48 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

>
>>>>>> "DH" == David Herren <david at idiomatrix.com> writes:
>
>     DH> Does anyone have any experience using Mailman with
>     DH> CommunigatePro from Stalker Software? CGPro also has some list
>     DH> functionality, but I am already running a number of lists with
>     DH> Mailman that I am loathe to have to move (to say nothing of
>     DH> the fact that the list functionality in CGPro costs money I
>     DH> don't have...)
>
> Heh.  Well, Digital Creations (my employer) uses CGPro for its
> internal mail system.  There are a number of things we don't like
> about CGPro w.r.t. mailing lists, including the pain of configuring it
> correctly, its tendency to bogusly divulge internal list names, and
> the privilege of paying for every extra list we want to run.  I'm not
> the CGPro administrator, so I can't speak to many more details, but
> suffice to say we're probably going to be moving all our internal
> lists to Mailman as soon as we can find the cycles.
>
> Other than that, and speaking purely as a user, CGPro seems to have
> some nice features.
>
> -Barry


/david

--
david herren	|	In an Internet without walls,
shoreham, vt	|	who needs Windows or Gates?



From barry at digicool.com  Mon Apr  2 04:21:18 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:21:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and CommunigatePro?
References: <15047.34331.497003.574772@anthem.wooz.org>
	<auto-000000300644@idiomatrix.com>
Message-ID: <15047.57886.614235.565044@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DH" == David Herren <david at idiomatrix.com> writes:

    DH> I'm still curious as to whether or not it will work given that
    DH> Mailman is essentially expecting sendmail and that one has to
    DH> do some interesting things with aliases for sendmail as part
    DH> of setting up Mailman lists... I' m just not certain how one
    DH> would go about setting up the equivalent alias functionality
    DH> in CGatePro...

Mailman doesn't expect or require sendmail, although the bin/newlist
script is a bit dumb in that it really can only spit out
sendmail-compatible or qmail-style alias suggestions.  Really, I think
the Exim way is much better, in that the MTA should just automatically
deliver to lists as soon as they're created.

I know zip about CGPro except that I get my digicool.com mail through
it, and it doesn't seem to screw things up too badly. ;)

-Barry



From webmaster at lostsanctuary.zzn.com  Mon Apr  2 07:53:46 2001
From: webmaster at lostsanctuary.zzn.com (Sanctuary)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:53:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please remove me from mailing list
Message-ID: <000801c0bb39$4b896780$73fe9c18@wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com>

Please take my name (webmaster at lostsanctuary.zzn.com)off your list. I truly enjoyed reading the mail but I have found; as of late, 
that I have less available time to read them. Unfortunately my mail has exploded its' volume 
and I am unable to stay on top of it.

     Thank you very much.


              Webmaster at lostsanctuary.zzn.com
               mailman-users at python.org
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From: mb644 at arabia.com (mb644 at arabia.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:28:39 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ADV: Top Search Engine Rankings
Message-ID: <200104020328.LAA19251@joeco.com.cn>

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From Dan at campsix.com  Mon Apr  2 07:22:19 2001
From: Dan at campsix.com (Dan Aronson)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:22:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list size
Message-ID: <C5E54204D15D89438F6261CF3505375306AB4B@liam.campsix.com>

I'm doing some work with an organization that is sending out mail to
large opt-in lists.  I am helping them choose an appropriate mailing
list manager.  I'm wondering what experience people have using Mailman
to send to very large (tens of thousands of users) lists?  Thanks in
advance.
 
--dan

From barry at digicool.com  Mon Apr  2 07:38:11 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:38:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
References: <E14j2H2-0006Ba-00@mail.python.org>
	<3AC4D141.D3ED6A84@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <15048.4163.987252.660652@anthem.wooz.org>

I've just finished implementing a more general confirmation scheme for
Mailman 2.1.  There are two aspects to this.  When an operation
requiring confirmation is performed, a confirmation email message is
sent as before.  However, the confirmation message will include both a
confirming email command and a URL with a unique cookie, and the
operation can be performed either by replying to the message or
visiting the specified URL.

Currently only two confirmable operations are defined: subscribing and
removing.  The above works regardless of e.g. whether the removal
request is coming from cgi or from an email command.  This means a
user can send the message "unsubscribe" to mylist-request with no
address and no password, and they will receive a confirmation
message.  A reply to that message, or a hit on the URL will remove the
user.

(Note that if the user actually knows their password, they can include
it in the web page or email command for immediate removal.)

(Note also that the architecture is general enough that other
confirmable operations could be added in the future.)

While this isn't exactly password-less accounts, I think it
accomplishes basically the same intent.  And it strikes a good balance
between convenience and security.  It means in practice that a user
can get removed from a list without having to remember their password
(or how to get it!), and the two-step removal in that case isn't too
onerous (since most MUAs I suspect would let them click directly on
the URL in the mail message).

Acks go to Les Niles who implemented a rough cut at this.  My
implementation was different, but similar in spirit.

-Barry



From mshahid at isb.sdnpk.org  Mon Apr  2 07:46:49 2001
From: mshahid at isb.sdnpk.org (Shahid Nazir)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:46:49 +0500 (PKT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] query about mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104021043060.20073-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org>

Dear Sir, 
i want to solve a problem regarding 
limiting a size of attachment in mailman
sir,
i wnat to limit a attachment size of a posting before it is sent to the
list where as the body message size can be limited in mailman
i will be grateful if u can solve my problem
regards
one of the user of mailman
shahid




From jra at baylink.com  Mon Apr  2 07:46:27 2001
From: jra at baylink.com (Jay R. Ashworth)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
In-Reply-To: <15048.4163.987252.660652@anthem.wooz.org>; from "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry@digicool.com> on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 01:38:11AM -0400
References: <E14j2H2-0006Ba-00@mail.python.org> <3AC4D141.D3ED6A84@nleaudio.com> <15048.4163.987252.660652@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010402014627.21738@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>

On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 01:38:11AM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> While this isn't exactly password-less accounts, I think it
> accomplishes basically the same intent.  And it strikes a good balance
> between convenience and security.  It means in practice that a user
> can get removed from a list without having to remember their password
> (or how to get it!), and the two-step removal in that case isn't too
> onerous (since most MUAs I suspect would let them click directly on
> the URL in the mail message).

Two edged sword.

I'm trying to remember whose message it is, Slashdot's, I think, that
says "don't get your panties in a twist because we included your
password in clear".

This completely fails to take into account the "I use the same password
many places" people.

Getting the passwords out of the mail is a good thing... but mail is
*still* sniffable.  Depends how much security you want people to
have...

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth                                                jra at baylink.com
Member of the Technical Staff     Baylink
The Suncoast Freenet         The Things I Think
Tampa Bay, Florida        http://baylink.pitas.com             +1 727 804 5015



From barry at digicool.com  Mon Apr  2 08:14:30 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 02:14:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
References: <E14j2H2-0006Ba-00@mail.python.org>
	<3AC4D141.D3ED6A84@nleaudio.com>
	<15048.4163.987252.660652@anthem.wooz.org>
	<20010402014627.21738@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Message-ID: <15048.6342.401162.637705@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JRA" == Jay R Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> writes:

    JRA> Two edged sword.

    JRA> I'm trying to remember whose message it is, Slashdot's, I
    JRA> think, that says "don't get your panties in a twist because
    JRA> we included your password in clear".

    JRA> This completely fails to take into account the "I use the
    JRA> same password many places" people.

    JRA> Getting the passwords out of the mail is a good thing... but
    JRA> mail is *still* sniffable.  Depends how much security you
    JRA> want people to have...

The last step (to be added /eventually/) is to allow users to suppress
password containing emails unless they specifically hit "Email My
Password To Me".  This means 1) allowing them to inhibit monthly
reminders on a per-user basis; 2) allowing them to suppress the
password in the welcome message; 3) adding confirmation emails for
things like changing their options.

Shouldn't be hard to do, just takes time.

Still, we /tell/ users not to use important passwords for their
Mailman accounts, but I understand the Pinball Machine Rule[1] applies
here.

-Barry

[1] The PMR is the observation that it doesn't matter a wit if the
instructions are printed clearly for all to see, nobody will read
them.  They'll just drop their quarter(s) and start pushing buttons
like a Tommy.



From jcrey at uma.es  Mon Apr  2 08:24:42 2001
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:24:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
References: <006b01c0b939$c362cb40$43c201cf@VAIO>
Message-ID: <3AC81B2A.F8007360@uma.es>

> Mario Pacheco wrote:
> 
> Does Mailman have an option to not require a password
> for the purposes of unsubscribing?

One change have been applied to mailman to support this subject, so if
user does not provide the password, the mailing list server will send a
confirmation message.

> 
> Are there any unofficial patches to change the code in
> Mailman (presumably some Python file) to facilitate this
> functionality?

This change have been applied first of April, so it is in CVS and not in
an official tarball.

Cheers
-- 
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From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Mon Apr  2 10:05:05 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:05:05 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachs and list archive...
In-Reply-To: <01db01c0ba90$bbaa96f0$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104020946450.14486-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Petyo, I think this mailing list is about mailman, and not about other$
 $olution$ :((
I can say that here we sometime had problems with MS Exchange, because
 of it's proprietar format (ms-tnef attachments) and it's automatic
 changing formats of emails.
These problems does not occure with mailman.

Felipe, I don't really know about archives in mailman (with pipermail),
 but if pipermail is not satisfying, theres are alternative solutions
 which can be associated with mailman : Hypermail, MHonArc, ... I used
 them, and attachments can be viewed by a link in the archive.


Phil.

On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Petyo Byankov wrote:

> Hello Felipe,
> This problem bothers me also but seems not mailman's guys.
> Personally i intend to look for a solution into MS Exchange using.
> This way i will get perfect view and search.
> It's true that i can't configure it by flat text files but it's made.
> I like the idea of open source projects but the make usually limp.
>
> Best regards.
> Petyo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Felipe Sanchez Elich" <felipe at apex-ctr.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 3:45 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachs and list archive...
>
>
> > hello...
> > How can I see the attachs in the list archive in a correct format instead
> a 7
> > bit text?
> >
> > Thanks a lot
> >
> > Felipe
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From chris at mokum.org  Mon Apr  2 16:44:42 2001
From: chris at mokum.org (Chris Willis)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:44:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper/Mail UID help with v2.0.3
Message-ID: <008d01c0bb83$74428400$12489fc2@DEMON.NL>

I've just installed version 2.0.3 and was well impressed with just how easy
the install was: second time lucky after having to readjust the GID for my
apache web server, but that's one hell of a lot quicker than when I
attempted majordomo.

I do need some help however: I still have majordomo installed and working
but think I want to move everyone across to mailman. I use sendmail as my
MTA with the restricted stuff going on and a need for /etc/smrsh. This
directory currently contains a symlink for the majordomo 'wrapper' program.
Following the instructions under README.SENDMAIL in the installation
package, I created a symlink called mailman_wrapper in /etc/smrsh pointing
back to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper.

I have a list set up on mailman but all mails to it get stuck in my mail
queue with an Operating System Error.

Also, running /home/mailman/mail/wrapper anything gives me an error  that
the system expected an ID of 12 and got 0. Yet mail has group ID of 12 in my
/etc/group file.

How many problems do I have here? I am not sure my alias files are set up
correctly to be honest - I cut and pasted the auto generated stuff but that
was not taking into account my renamed wrapper.

Can any one else help here? My experience and knowledge is all selftaught
and I'm sure there are some major flaws somewhere.

thanks
cw




From bvo at atz.nl  Mon Apr  2 17:09:54 2001
From: bvo at atz.nl (B. van Ouwerkerk)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:09:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] JAP
In-Reply-To: <11032613290601.00915@mt>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010402170259.00b74e40@pop.atz-hosting.nl>

>Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
>ich interesiere mich sehr f?r ihr Projekt und w?rd mich ?ber weitere
>Informationen freuen.

Why do some people from Germany think the whole world will understand 
them.... Lucky him, I do.

A little translation:
I find your project interesting and would love to find more information 
about it.

One thing is for sure, he needs to configure his mailclient better..

Bye,


B.




From ryan at hack.net  Mon Apr  2 18:57:32 2001
From: ryan at hack.net (Ryan K. Brooks)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:57:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Majordomo "log" format with pipermail
Message-ID: <3AC8AF7C.575FB0CF@hack.net>

Hi All, 'nuther question:

    I see that it's relatively painless to bring in addition mbox
formatted archives into a new mailman list, but I'd like to bring in a
bunch of old stuff from Majordomo in it's Log format.   Any suggestions
on this?

I tried to search the -users archives, but the SIG stuff doesn't appear
to work anymore.   Thanks for any advice,

Ryan






From jdcole at utmem.edu  Mon Apr  2 21:04:56 2001
From: jdcole at utmem.edu (John David Cole)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:04:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments
Message-ID: <AOEALNGJOFHIKGPAKOBLMEGACEAA.jdcole@utmem.edu>

is there a way to block attachments?  or am i just going to have to limit
the size of the mail message?

John David Cole
University of Tennessee
Health Science Center
Computing & Telecommunications
(901)448-5848




From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Mon Apr  2 21:12:44 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:12:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval required due to implicit destination
Message-ID: <002801c0bba8$e66ff290$6faec6a7@reg10misgy>

I recently set up several lists and the messages are requiring me to approve them because they have "implicit destination".  Any idea what I can change in my configuration to take care of this problem???

I'm on digest version so please be sure your reply goes to my email address (alone or in addition to the list).

Thanks!
G Yelverton

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From Glennette at cwowfoundation.org  Mon Apr  2 21:24:59 2001
From: Glennette at cwowfoundation.org (Glennette (CWOW Leader))
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:24:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination
Message-ID: <005301c0bbaa$a8a899b0$6faec6a7@reg10misgy>

I recently set up several lists and the messages are requiring me to approve them because they have "implicit destination".  Any idea what I can change in my configuration to take care of this problem???

I'm on digest version so please be sure your reply goes to my email address (alone or in addition to the list).

Thanks!
G Yelverton

Quality, professional, reliable, and expedient website services and hosting,
all under one roof!!!  http://www.premiumwebdesign.com

Website Success - http://www.premiumwebdesign.com/success

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From CMurray at stargate.ca  Mon Apr  2 22:12:17 2001
From: CMurray at stargate.ca (Chris Murray)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading sendmail broke mailman
Message-ID: <sac87abf.025@groupwisemail.stargate.ca>

>
>    You need to change you /etc/aliases files to point to the symlink
>wrapper in /etc/smrsh so:
>
>my-list: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post my-list"
>
>    should be:
>
>my-list: "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post my-list"
>
>hope this helps.
>
>> I just upgraded my list server from sendmail 8.9.3 to sendmail 8.11.3 and
>now I am getting errors from smrsh about wrapper not available for sendmail
>programs.
>>
>> smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
>> 554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname" ....
>>


Now I am getting the same error with the new path to wrapper "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post my-list"

anything else left to check? 

Thanks
- Chris

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Network Services Specialist
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From alex at phred.org  Mon Apr  2 22:12:41 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:12:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments
In-Reply-To: <AOEALNGJOFHIKGPAKOBLMEGACEAA.jdcole@utmem.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104021312060.52095-100000@phred.org>

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, John David Cole wrote:
> is there a way to block attachments?  or am i just going to have to limit
> the size of the mail message?

http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html

That is a solution that I wrote.  At the bottom of the page you'll find
a link to another solution.

alex




From reb at taco.com  Mon Apr  2 21:59:05 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:59:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Majordomo "log" format with pipermail
In-Reply-To: <3AC8AF7C.575FB0CF@hack.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402154745.0295e008@taco.com>

At 11:57 AM 4/2/2001 -0500, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
>Hi All, 'nuther question:
>
>     I see that it's relatively painless to bring in addition mbox
>formatted archives into a new mailman list, but I'd like to bring in a
>bunch of old stuff from Majordomo in it's Log format.   Any suggestions
>on this?
>
>I tried to search the -users archives, but the SIG stuff doesn't appear
>to work anymore.   Thanks for any advice,

I'm not sure what Majordomo log format is but mbox format is pretty
easy to convert stuff into... just ^N^Nfrom<space> between messages.
The problem that I ran into when doing some conversion is that
Mailman 2.0 looks for some date/time strings on the same line as
the "from<space>" ... This is supposed to be fixed in the next release.
You can change it yourself (or see what to munge your output to
look like) by perusing mailman.py. See my messages from last week
on archiving for the exact line.

reb




From jbartley at nahb.com  Mon Apr  2 22:18:39 2001
From: jbartley at nahb.com (Bartley, Joel)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:18:39 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List speed?
Message-ID: <EE44D8E5DA80D411A2F300508BDF5EF2016CE47B@NAHBMAIL>

How fast does Mailman deliver messages?  number of emails per hour, I mean.
Do you have any performance statistics?  I have a user base of 50000 to
200000 (it's unknown at this time).  Would it be possible to use Mailman or
would you advise me to search for a more robust system?

Joel Bartley

Web Developer
National Association of Home Builders




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  2 22:47:56 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:47:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments 
In-Reply-To: Message from John David Cole <jdcole@utmem.edu> 
   of "Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:04:56 CDT." <AOEALNGJOFHIKGPAKOBLMEGACEAA.jdcole@utmem.edu> 
References: <AOEALNGJOFHIKGPAKOBLMEGACEAA.jdcole@utmem.edu> 
Message-ID: <12761.986244476@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:04:56 -0500 
John David Cole <jdcole at utmem.edu> wrote:

> is there a way to block attachments?  or am i just going to have
> to limit the size of the mail message?

You can configure Mailman to hold messages containing the
appropritate MIMe header lines.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  2 22:50:41 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:50:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List speed? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Bartley, Joel" <jbartley@nahb.com> 
   of "Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:18:39 EDT." <EE44D8E5DA80D411A2F300508BDF5EF2016CE47B@NAHBMAIL> 
References: <EE44D8E5DA80D411A2F300508BDF5EF2016CE47B@NAHBMAIL> 
Message-ID: <17458.986244641@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:18:39 -0400 
Joel Bartley <Bartley> wrote:

> How fast does Mailman deliver messages?  number of emails per
> hour, I mean.  Do you have any performance statistics?  I have a
> user base of 50000 to 200000 (it's unknown at this time).  Would
> it be possible to use Mailman or would you advise me to search for
> a more robust system?

Mailman hands off to the local MTA.  It is then up to the MTA to
handle deliveries.  How fast is the handoff?  I get roughly 1K
messages within a couple seconds with MAX_RCPT_TO set to 5.  Speed
of remote delivery is entirely dependant on your MTA, network
connectivity, DNS issues, and remote site availability.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From Dan at campsix.com  Mon Apr  2 23:23:07 2001
From: Dan at campsix.com (Dan Aronson)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:23:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list size
Message-ID: <C5E54204D15D89438F6261CF35053753054961@liam.campsix.com>

What's the largest mailing list size that anyone out there has used
Mailman for?  I'm working with an organization that is
investigating tools for mailings to their Opt-In users and I'm
interested in recommending Mailman as their MLM, however some of
the lists are in the tens of thousands of mailboxes.

--dan



From apeeters at lashout.net  Tue Apr  3 00:40:30 2001
From: apeeters at lashout.net (Adriaan Peeters)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:40:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates
Message-ID: <004c01c0bbc5$ec262c50$0201000a@napoli>

Hey all,

Does anyone know how to change the automated subcribe confirmation email ?
It is possible to add a text via the administrative interface, but is't not
possible to change the mail completely.  This could be usefull to translate
those texts.
I tried to copy templates/subscribeack.txt to
lists/listname/subscribeack.txt and change something in that file, but it
didn't work :(

Is there a way to accomplish this ?

Regards,
Adriaan Peeters




From raul at ucnet.com.mx  Tue Apr  3 02:35:09 2001
From: raul at ucnet.com.mx (raul at ucnet.com.mx)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:35:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner running twice?
Message-ID: <986258109.3ac91abd0d53b@webmail.ucol.mx>

Hello all,

I've followed the instructions in the INSTALL file to setup Mailman version 2.1a2 
but when I tried to subscribe to the test list I don't get a reply to confirm 
subscription. And the mailman-owner account gets the following message every 
minute:

...
Subject: cron: /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
Another qrunner is already running, exiting.

Anyone been through this that can give me a hand?

And this is the crontab for mailman:
# crontab -l mailman
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/
gate_news
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

Thanks in advance.

Raul



From soros_gergo at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  3 03:46:34 2001
From: soros_gergo at yahoo.com (Gergo Soros)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:46:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Currupted .db files
Message-ID: <056f01c0bbdf$fe666b40$01000001@sgergo.hu>

Hi all,

We have Mailman 2.01 installed on a CobaltRaq (Redhat 
based) and it was running fine until yesterday when the 
db file for one of the lists got corrupted. List recreated but 
after few hours the same thing has happened with several 
other lists. 
Since then I keep recreating the lists, re-adding members, 
reconfiguring etc. as I am unable to find the cause.
Nothing has been changed recently in the system setup.
Additionally, our MySQL db's keep becoming corrupt so
I don't think this is a Mailman or Python issue. Does anyone
have an idea where to look? What do DBM and MySQL have
in common? Sorry if this isnt the right list for this but I'm
totally clueless by now.

Gergo


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From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Tue Apr  3 05:21:22 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:21:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP - Implicit destination
Message-ID: <000b01c0bbed$287e8f40$053dd6d1@glennettehome>

I recently set up several lists and the messages are requiring me to
approve them because they have "implicit destination". Any idea what I
can change in my configuration to take care of this problem???

I'm on digest version so please be sure your reply goes to my email
address (alone or in addition to the list).  :o)

Thanks!
G Yelverton

Quality, professional, reliable, and expedient website services and =
hosting, all under one roof!!! http://www.premiumwebdesign.com

Website Success - http://www.premiumwebdesign.com/success

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From jtrigg at huiekin.org  Tue Apr  3 07:10:41 2001
From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:10:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval required due to implicit destination
In-Reply-To: <002801c0bba8$e66ff290$6faec6a7@reg10misgy>; from glennette@premiumwebdesign.com on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 03:12:44PM -0400
References: <002801c0bba8$e66ff290$6faec6a7@reg10misgy>
Message-ID: <20010403011041.A83423@m-net.arbornet.org>

On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 03:12:44PM -0400, glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:

> I recently set up several lists and the messages are requiring me to
> approve them because they have "implicit destination".  Any idea
> what I can change in my configuration to take care of this
> problem???

Put a regexp that will match the name of the list in any case
combination in the field on the Privacy Options page labelled "Alias
names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names
for this list."

The developers claim that this isn't necessary, but that's how I've
had to solve it for every list I run.

Jim Trigg
Itinerant List Administrator



From ziki at crevice.co.kr  Tue Apr  3 07:43:19 2001
From: ziki at crevice.co.kr (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?wbbFwr+s?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:43:19 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please view my error message
Message-ID: <007201c0bc00$fdfeccd0$547deccb@ziki>

Error Message /var/log 
Apr  3 15:10:03 mail Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to take 501?)
Apr  3 15:10:03 mail qmail: 986325003.793042 delivery 1089: success: did_1+0+0/
Apr  3 15:10:03 mail qmail: 986325003.796070 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
Apr  3 15:10:03 mail qmail: 986325003.797752 delivery 1088: deferral: Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_12,_GOT_gid_501.__(Re
configure_to_take_501?)/

How do I reconfigure this error??
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From wra_eng at 2.pacific.net.id  Tue Apr  3 08:29:56 2001
From: wra_eng at 2.pacific.net.id (Wratmoko Hadi H.S.W)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:29:56 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001101c0bc07$80079f30$0c512eca@thunderbird>

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From ziki at crevice.co.kr  Tue Apr  3 10:07:52 2001
From: ziki at crevice.co.kr (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?wbbFwr+s?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:07:52 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please view my error message
References: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104030949250.1449-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <016a01c0bc15$309637a0$547deccb@ziki>

Thanks Philippe!

but I solve this problem 

 :: configure mailman with option : --with-mail-gid=501
 :: and reinstall

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philippe Rodriguez" <Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
To: "???" <ziki at crevice.co.kr>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Please view my error message



Two solutions :
 - configure mailman with option : --with-cgi-gid=501
 - run cgi scripts on your http server with gid 12 (Apache/httpd.conf :
    Group 12)

Phil.

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, [ks_c_5601-1987] ??? wrote:

> Error Message /var/log
> Apr  3 15:10:03 mail Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to take 501?)
> Apr  3 15:10:03 mail qmail: 986325003.793042 delivery 1089: success: did_1+0+0/
> Apr  3 15:10:03 mail qmail: 986325003.796070 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
> Apr  3 15:10:03 mail qmail: 986325003.797752 delivery 1088: deferral: Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_12,_GOT_gid_501.__(Re
> configure_to_take_501?)/
>
> How do I reconfigure this error??
>




From alessio at albourne.com  Tue Apr  3 13:26:00 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:26:00 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates
References: <004c01c0bbc5$ec262c50$0201000a@napoli>
Message-ID: <3AC9B348.F2B6826@albourne.com>

Adriaan Peeters wrote:

> It is possible to add a text via the administrative interface, but is't not
> possible to change the mail completely.  This could be usefull to translate
> those texts.

If your goal is to translate the text into another language, please see
the Mailman-i18n list archives: it's coming in the next (?) release.

-- 
Alessio F. Bragadini		alessio at albourne.com
APL Financial Services		http://village.albourne.com
Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

"It is more complicated than you think"
		-- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925



From alessio at albourne.com  Tue Apr  3 13:29:14 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:29:14 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP - Implicit destination
References: <000b01c0bbed$287e8f40$053dd6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <3AC9B40A.BC22F832@albourne.com>

glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:

> I recently set up several lists and the messages are requiring me to
> approve them because they have "implicit destination". Any idea what I
> can change in my configuration to take care of this problem???

In the web-based list administration interface, go to 'Privacy options'
and 'Spam-specific posting filters' (mid-page).

-- 
Alessio F. Bragadini		alessio at albourne.com
APL Financial Services		http://village.albourne.com
Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

"It is more complicated than you think"
		-- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925



From rmgolbeck at uwaterloo.ca  Tue Apr  3 14:46:13 2001
From: rmgolbeck at uwaterloo.ca (Ryan Golbeck)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:46:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe passwords
Message-ID: <20010403084613.C555@tesla.home.net>

Hello all;

I've looked through as much documentation as I could find on mailman and
I cant find anything that tells me how to disable user passwords for
unsubscribing.  I know in some cases that it would be of use to require
someone to supply their password to unsubscribe from the list, but for
a couple of lists I want to run this isn't appropriate and will probably
cause troubles.  

So is there any configuration stuff anywhere that I can set so that mailman
will not ask for a password for unsubscribing?

Thanks
-- Ryan



From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Tue Apr  3 16:09:23 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:09:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP - Implicit destination
References: <000b01c0bbed$287e8f40$053dd6d1@glennettehome> <3AC9B40A.BC22F832@albourne.com>
Message-ID: <007001c0bc47$b02d90d0$6faec6a7@reg10misgy>

Thanks for your answers!  I went and added some aliases so hopefully that
will take care of the problem!!!

G Yelverton

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From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Apr  3 16:33:27 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 07:33:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin attempts hang (self healing overnight)
Message-ID: <a05100900b6ef8d0705ba@[207.149.192.229]>

Mailman 2.0 on RedHat Linux 6.2 (6.2 updated with latest known from RH).


We had a list yesterday (Apr 2) afternoon for which any attempt to access
the Admin pages timed out in the web browser (variety of browsers and
people trying).  The timeout was after clicking a link which would have
gone to a page for logging in as Admin.

I found several lock files related to the list (seemingly one "master" with
a short name, and many session locks (with a PID? at the end of the name).
Removing those did not clear up the problem.  I left the new locks which
resulted from the later trials in place.

Waited overnight to work on it ("you get worried when it's Monday and it's
already been a long week")...the problem had healed itself by morning.  It
had not self-healed in the evening after several hours.

The main list admin...a knowledgable person...sent me this description of
the actions (of another admin) leading up to the problem:

[She] was subscribing some new people.  Thought she'd check to see if
they were already subscribed. She left the names in box WITHOUT
clicking submit, and went to check the membership list. They weren't
subscribed. When she came back to the main membership page the names
were gone, so she typed names in again, and *did* hit submit-- which
generated a message saying that the names were already on subscribed.
When she tried to go back to the main membership management screen
she couldn't get there and when she tried to logout, the machine just
hung.   Subsequent efforts to log back in have failed (as you and I
experienced).

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From MisterRain at intemperance.net  Tue Apr  3 17:32:09 2001
From: MisterRain at intemperance.net (Jason)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:32:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
In-Reply-To: <3AC4D141.D3ED6A84@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104031120350.5339-100000@sybarite.intemperance.net>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:

> See http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm

I'm trying out Bob's unsub script on my Redhat system and haven't been
able to get it working.  Any idea why it would be returning this error?

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: unsub not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/bin/unsub testlist intemperance.net"... Service
unavailable


As far as I can tell I've set everything up correctly.  As you can see
I've put the unsub file in /home/mailman/bin, but the testlist-remove
alias does reflect that path correctly (and I've tried /home/mailman as
well). I've made sure that the permissions on unsub are correct and that
my site password is in the unsub script.  Suggestions?  Thanks for any
ideas.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Puckett  / MisterRain at intemperance.net  / www.intemperance.net
    Marge: "Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive?"
	Homer: "Well, I don't know about *Lenny*...."








From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr  3 17:40:13 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:40:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe passwords 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ryan Golbeck <rmgolbeck@uwaterloo.ca> 
   of "Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:46:13 EDT." <20010403084613.C555@tesla.home.net> 
References: <20010403084613.C555@tesla.home.net> 
Message-ID: <30173.986312413@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:46:13 -0400 
Ryan Golbeck <rmgolbeck at uwaterloo.ca> wrote:

> So is there any configuration stuff anywhere that I can set so
> that mailman will not ask for a password for unsubscribing?

No.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Tue Apr  3 17:55:28 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 03 Apr 2001 11:55:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe passwords
In-Reply-To: <30173.986312413@kanga.nu>
References: <20010403084613.C555@tesla.home.net>  
	<30173.986312413@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <986313339.12618.1.camel@kneel>

Here are a couple of hacks you can use to add this functionality to
mailman.

http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm
http://satya.virtualave.net

Note that these are hacks and are not official components of mailman.

I think i heard somewhere that mailman will be implementing passwordless
unsubscribe in a later version, however.

--Neil

On 03 Apr 2001 08:40:13 -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:46:13 -0400 
> Ryan Golbeck <rmgolbeck at uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> 
> > So is there any configuration stuff anywhere that I can set so
> > that mailman will not ask for a password for unsubscribing?
> 
> No.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From adam at baz.org  Tue Apr  3 17:58:07 2001
From: adam at baz.org (Adam Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:58:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] silently queuing messages
Message-ID: <20010403115807.C8468@baz.org>

Heya, folks.

I've got a mailman install which had been working happily, and then
yesterday, began silently queuing messages without sending them on.

Sendmail logs show that the messages get handed off to mailman correctly,
and now there are both .db and .msg files sitting in the ~mailman/qfiles
directory, starting yesterday.  Nothing in the logs directory has been
updated since March 30, and since I'm the only active admin on this
installation, it seems unlikely that something there has changed.

Anyone got any pointers for how to debug this sort of thing?  I'd love to
resume traffic to the affected list...

Thanks

Adam

-- 
"What do you say to a man who's killed a lion with             <adam at baz.org>
 his bare hands and is sleeping with your wife?"               <adam hirsch> 
           - Derek Mason, asked about his wife's affair with a Masai warrior



From kmccann at bellanet.org  Tue Apr  3 17:28:54 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a
  password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104031120350.5339-100000@sybarite.intemper
 ance.net>
References: <3AC4D141.D3ED6A84@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010403112601.06fc1250@internet.idrc.ca>

At 11:32 AM 2001/04/03 -0400, Jason wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
>
> > See http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm
>
>I'm trying out Bob's unsub script on my Redhat system and haven't been
>able to get it working.  Any idea why it would be returning this error?
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>sh: unsub not available for sendmail programs
>554 "|/home/mailman/bin/unsub testlist intemperance.net"... Service
>unavailable

For every script that you want sendmail to be able to run, you have to 
create a symbolic link in the /etc/smrsh directory:

prompt>  cd /etc/smrsh
prompt>  ln -s /home/mailman/bin/unsub unsub


Good luck,
Kevin





From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Tue Apr  3 17:58:29 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 03 Apr 2001 11:58:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a
	password?
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.10104031120350.5339-100000@sybarite.intemperance.net>
References: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.10104031120350.5339-100000@sybarite.intemperance.net>
Message-ID: <986313510.12617.2.camel@kneel>

ln -s /home/mailman/bin/unsub /etc/mail/smrsh/unsub

I think that will work.

--Neil

On 03 Apr 2001 11:32:09 -0400, Jason wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
> 
> > See http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm
> 
> I'm trying out Bob's unsub script on my Redhat system and haven't been
> able to get it working.  Any idea why it would be returning this error?
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: unsub not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/bin/unsub testlist intemperance.net"... Service
> unavailable
> 
> 
> As far as I can tell I've set everything up correctly.  As you can see
> I've put the unsub file in /home/mailman/bin, but the testlist-remove
> alias does reflect that path correctly (and I've tried /home/mailman as
> well). I've made sure that the permissions on unsub are correct and that
> my site password is in the unsub script.  Suggestions?  Thanks for any
> ideas.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jason Puckett  / MisterRain at intemperance.net  / www.intemperance.net
>     Marge: "Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive?"
>       Homer: "Well, I don't know about *Lenny*...."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From barry at digicool.com  Tue Apr  3 18:07:48 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:07:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe passwords
References: <20010403084613.C555@tesla.home.net>
	<30173.986312413@kanga.nu>
	<986313339.12618.1.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <15049.62804.186477.162871@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "NC" == Neil Cooler <ncooler at nandomedia.com> writes:

    NC> I think i heard somewhere that mailman will be implementing
    NC> passwordless unsubscribe in a later version, however.

Correct.  Mailman 2.1 will use a confirmation scheme for unsubscribes
if no password is given.

-Barry



From bob at nleaudio.com  Tue Apr  3 18:27:30 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:27:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: unsubscribing without a password
References: <E14kTDu-0001jO-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3AC9F9F2.E79AFFBC@nleaudio.com>

ALso make sure the unsub script is executable.. Chmod 755 it.

Bob



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Apr  3 18:43:22 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:13:22 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe passwords
In-Reply-To: <986313339.12618.1.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104032212410.612-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Apr 3, 2001 at 11:55, Neil Cooler wrote:

>http://satya.virtualave.net

http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html

>I think i heard somewhere that mailman will be implementing passwordless
>unsubscribe in a later version, however.

You heard right. Here, or on mailman-developers.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
Who stole my tagline?




From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Tue Apr  3 18:47:45 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 03 Apr 2001 12:47:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe passwords
In-Reply-To: <15049.62804.186477.162871@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <20010403084613.C555@tesla.home.net> <30173.986312413@kanga.nu>
	<986313339.12618.1.camel@kneel>  <15049.62804.186477.162871@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <986316466.13198.0.camel@kneel>

Is there a release schedule for this?

--Neil

On 03 Apr 2001 12:07:48 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "NC" == Neil Cooler <ncooler at nandomedia.com> writes:
> 
>     NC> I think i heard somewhere that mailman will be implementing
>     NC> passwordless unsubscribe in a later version, however.
> 
> Correct.  Mailman 2.1 will use a confirmation scheme for unsubscribes
> if no password is given.
> 
> -Barry
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From adam at baz.org  Tue Apr  3 18:50:57 2001
From: adam at baz.org (Adam Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:50:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] silently queuing messages
In-Reply-To: <20010403115807.C8468@baz.org>; from adam@baz.org on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 11:58:07AM -0400
References: <20010403115807.C8468@baz.org>
Message-ID: <20010403125057.B9224@baz.org>

Adam Hirsch (adam at baz.org) wrote:

> I've got a mailman install which had been working happily, and then
> yesterday, began silently queuing messages without sending them on.

Further testing shows that the mailman installation can send out mail (I
had it send me my password for the list in question), but list mail is
simply sitting in the queue, without being sent.

I'm even more baffled, now.  It's clearly not sendmail, and it's clearly
not the entire mailman installation.  Anyone know of something that could
make all standard list mail come to a screeching halt while leaving
administrative mail alone?

Adam

-- 
        Writing a novel is like driving a car at night.  You can only see as 
        far as your headlights, but you can make the entire journey that way.
<adam hirsch> <adam at baz.org>                                 - E.L. Doctorow



From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Tue Apr  3 19:00:27 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 03 Apr 2001 13:00:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] silently queuing messages
In-Reply-To: <20010403125057.B9224@baz.org>
References: <20010403115807.C8468@baz.org>  <20010403125057.B9224@baz.org>
Message-ID: <986317228.13200.1.camel@kneel>

Did you run #crontab <srcdir>/cron/crontab.in?

Sounds to me like qrunner isnt running out of cron.

--Neil

On 03 Apr 2001 12:50:57 -0400, Adam Hirsch wrote:
> Adam Hirsch (adam at baz.org) wrote:
> 
> > I've got a mailman install which had been working happily, and then
> > yesterday, began silently queuing messages without sending them on.
> 
> Further testing shows that the mailman installation can send out mail (I
> had it send me my password for the list in question), but list mail is
> simply sitting in the queue, without being sent.
> 
> I'm even more baffled, now.  It's clearly not sendmail, and it's clearly
> not the entire mailman installation.  Anyone know of something that could
> make all standard list mail come to a screeching halt while leaving
> administrative mail alone?
> 
> Adam
> 
> -- 
>         Writing a novel is like driving a car at night.  You can only see as 
>         far as your headlights, but you can make the entire journey that way.
> <adam hirsch> <adam at baz.org>                                 - E.L. Doctorow
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From barry at digicool.com  Tue Apr  3 19:05:14 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:05:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe passwords
References: <20010403084613.C555@tesla.home.net>
	<30173.986312413@kanga.nu>
	<986313339.12618.1.camel@kneel>
	<15049.62804.186477.162871@anthem.wooz.org>
	<986316466.13198.0.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <15050.714.261100.606015@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "NC" == Neil Cooler <ncooler at nandomedia.com> writes:

    NC> Is there a release schedule for this?

Not yet.



From adam at baz.org  Tue Apr  3 19:11:12 2001
From: adam at baz.org (Adam Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:11:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] silently queuing messages
In-Reply-To: <986317228.13200.1.camel@kneel>; from ncooler@nandomedia.com on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 01:00:27PM -0400
References: <20010403115807.C8468@baz.org> <20010403125057.B9224@baz.org> <986317228.13200.1.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <20010403131112.A9504@baz.org>

Neil Cooler (ncooler at nandomedia.com) wrote:

> Did you run #crontab <srcdir>/cron/crontab.in?

> Sounds to me like qrunner isnt running out of cron.

Bingo.  One of the machine admins upgraded vixie-cron, and concurrent with
that, mailman's cron jobs stopped running.  Now, to figure out why.         

Adam

-- 
Microeconomics concerns things that economists are specifically wrong about,
while macroeconomics concerns things economists are wrong about generally.
Or, to be more technical, microeconomics is about money you don't have, and
macroeconomics is about money the government is out of.      -P.J. O'Rourke
             <adam at baz.org> \\ adam hirsch // http://web.baz.org/~adam/



From MisterRain at intemperance.net  Tue Apr  3 19:55:54 2001
From: MisterRain at intemperance.net (Jason)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
In-Reply-To: <986313510.12617.2.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104031353130.5757-100000@sybarite.intemperance.net>

On 3 Apr 2001, Neil Cooler wrote:

> ln -s /home/mailman/bin/unsub /etc/mail/smrsh/unsub

Ding!  This was the piece I was missing.  Clearly I'm not a sendmail
expert. :)  Thanks, everyone.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Puckett  / MisterRain at intemperance.net  / www.intemperance.net
    Marge: "Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive?"
	Homer: "Well, I don't know about *Lenny*...."




From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Tue Apr  3 20:01:47 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 03 Apr 2001 14:01:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a
	password?
In-Reply-To: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.10104031353130.5757-100000@sybarite.intemperance.net>
References: 
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.10104031353130.5757-100000@sybarite.intemperance.net>
Message-ID: <986320908.13802.0.camel@kneel>

I read the ~400 page O'reilly book on sendmail, have been adminstering
sendmail boxen for over a year now, and i still dont feel like an
expert.

Don't feel so bad :).

--Neil

On 03 Apr 2001 13:55:54 -0400, Jason wrote:
> On 3 Apr 2001, Neil Cooler wrote:
> 
> > ln -s /home/mailman/bin/unsub /etc/mail/smrsh/unsub
> 
> Ding!  This was the piece I was missing.  Clearly I'm not a sendmail
> expert. :)  Thanks, everyone.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jason Puckett  / MisterRain at intemperance.net  / www.intemperance.net
>     Marge: "Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive?"
>       Homer: "Well, I don't know about *Lenny*...."
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Apr  3 20:09:27 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (chuq von rospach)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:09:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
In-Reply-To: <986320908.13802.0.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <200104031807.f33I7rX08239@lists.apple.com>

On Tuesday, April 3, 2001, at 11:01  AM, Neil Cooler wrote:

> I read the ~400 page O'reilly book on sendmail, have been adminstering
> sendmail boxen for over a year now, and i still dont feel like an
> expert.
>

I used to support sendmail when I worked in Sun Tech Support 15 years 
ago, and I work with sendmail in my job now, and *I* am still learning 
about the bloody program. Don't feel bad.

(grin)


--
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome <http://www.chuqui.com>
[<chuqui at plaidworks.com> = <me at chuqui.com> = <chuq at apple.com>]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

Some days you're the dog, some days you're the hydrant.




From apeeters at lashout.net  Tue Apr  3 20:04:27 2001
From: apeeters at lashout.net (Adriaan Peeters)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:04:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates
References: <004c01c0bbc5$ec262c50$0201000a@napoli> <3AC9B348.F2B6826@albourne.com>
Message-ID: <021901c0bc68$87908530$0201000a@napoli>

> > It is possible to add a text via the administrative interface, but is't
not
> > possible to change the mail completely.  This could be usefull to
translate
> > those texts.
>
> If your goal is to translate the text into another language, please see
> the Mailman-i18n list archives: it's coming in the next (?) release.
>

No, it's not only to translate. Is't to change those mails completely, and
to be able to have a completely different welcome/password reminder/... mail
for every mailinglist on the system.

This must be possible with a simple hack imho, just change what file to use,
instead of template/file use lists/listname/file.  But unfortunately I don't
know python that well.

Anyone who would like to add this to mailman ?

Regards and many thanks,
Adriaan Peeters




From bfoster at hotresponse.com  Tue Apr  3 22:02:25 2001
From: bfoster at hotresponse.com (Bob Foster)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:02:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Field to Subscriber Information
Message-ID: <fc.007f1b50000b2078007f1b50000b2078.b2087@hotresponse.com>

Hi All,

Is it possible to add a field to the config.db to keep track of additional
information about a subscriber?    Well, I guess that I know for sure that
it's possible, but I'm not a Python programmer.  So what I really want to
know is if there is a fairly easy way to add such a field, and is there
any documentation on how to do it? 

Thanks!

Bob Foster




From andreas at conectiva.com.br  Tue Apr  3 21:15:28 2001
From: andreas at conectiva.com.br (Andreas Hasenack)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:15:28 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin attempts hang (self healing overnight)
In-Reply-To: <a05100900b6ef8d0705ba@[207.149.192.229]>; from jwblist@olympus.net on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 07:33:27AM -0700
References: <a05100900b6ef8d0705ba@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <20010403161528.X14720@conectiva.com.br>

Em Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 07:33:27AM -0700, John W Baxter escreveu:
> We had a list yesterday (Apr 2) afternoon for which any attempt to access
> the Admin pages timed out in the web browser (variety of browsers and
> people trying).  The timeout was after clicking a link which would have
> gone to a page for logging in as Admin.

I had this exact same problem here, and it also just disapeared after many
hours. Also many lock files in place and running python processes.
Can't reproduce it anymore.




From alison.simpole at lineone.net  Tue Apr  3 22:04:29 2001
From: alison.simpole at lineone.net (Alison Simpole)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:04:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't i download mailman
Message-ID: <002501c0bc79$4bf22900$6555063e@pavilion>

I'VE TRIED TOO DOWN LOAD MAILMAN BUT WITHOUT SUCCEUSS CAN YOU PLEASE HELP LOOK FORWARD TOO YOUR REPLY IN DUE COURSE YOURS SINCERCLY A SIMPOLE
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Apr  4 00:08:21 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:08:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't i download mailman
In-Reply-To: <002501c0bc79$4bf22900$6555063e@pavilion>; from alison.simpole@lineone.net on Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:04:29PM +0100
References: <002501c0bc79$4bf22900$6555063e@pavilion>
Message-ID: <20010403150820.Y29491@magic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:04:29PM +0100, Alison Simpole wrote:
> I'VE TRIED TOO DOWN LOAD MAILMAN BUT WITHOUT SUCCEUSS CAN YOU PLEASE HELP LOOK FORWARD TOO YOUR REPLY IN DUE COURSE YOURS SINCERCLY A SIMPOLE

YOU NEED TO BUY A KEYBOARD WITH LOWERCASE LETTERS BECAUSE THE FILENAME TO
DOWNLOAD SOURCEFORGE IS IN LOWERCASE ON THE FTP SITE.

MARC
-- 
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From agils at olanet.net  Wed Apr  4 01:01:27 2001
From: agils at olanet.net (agils)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:01:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tryng again
Message-ID: <000c01c0bc92$0bd92080$7edd96d5@AntonioGil>

Yes please, I want to subscribe you.
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From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Wed Apr  4 03:20:36 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:50:36 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject line spacing
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104040649120.1916-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

Subject: [Teamct]moo
                 ^

That's an example from one of my lists. I seem to be running 2.0.1.
What happened to the space? It also happens on other lists at this
installation.

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From vsharp at firewiredirect.com  Wed Apr  4 04:30:03 2001
From: vsharp at firewiredirect.com (Victor Sharp)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:30:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting my current members to text list
Message-ID: <p05001902b6f036f910f5@[24.93.37.6]>

Hello all,

Now that all the members of our list are in the MAILMAN system, I 
can't find a way to export the names back to a plain text file for 
archiving  and moving.  I can manage the names thru the MAILMAN 
interface, but can't find a way to get them all back on to an up to 
date text list.  There MUST be a way to do this.  I can't find it in 
the documentation.  I am desperate to get this done tonight.  Can 
anyone help me?

Thanks,
Vic




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  4 04:36:16 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:36:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting my current members to text list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Victor Sharp <vsharp@firewiredirect.com> 
   of "Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:30:03 CDT." <p05001902b6f036f910f5@[24.93.37.6]> 
References: <p05001902b6f036f910f5@[24.93.37.6]> 
Message-ID: <21670.986351776@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:30:03 -0500 
Victor Sharp <vsharp at firewiredirect.com> wrote:

> I can't find a way to export the names back to a plain text file
> for archiving and moving.

~/bin/list_members

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From ryan at hack.net  Wed Apr  4 07:18:17 2001
From: ryan at hack.net (Ryan K. Brooks)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:18:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Majordomo "log" format with pipermail
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402154745.0295e008@taco.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKDPDKLDJKFOMJOJOGEAHCAAA.ryan@hack.net>

On my continued quest to import my majordomo log format archives, I wrote a
short program to move the date from the Date header line onto the From line
(and delete the colon, make sure I have \n\n before the From line, etc.),
but I haven't had any success with the arch command yet.   I can only
conclude that it needs more headers than I have (can't say I'm fluent in
Python).

In any case, two possibilities:

	Could someone tell me the minimum headers that 'arch' needs?  or

	Should I just bail and try to convert everything to Mhonarc?

Thanks for any advice,

Ryan


At 11:57 AM 4/2/2001 -0500, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
>Hi All, 'nuther question:
>
>     I see that it's relatively painless to bring in addition mbox
>formatted archives into a new mailman list, but I'd like to bring in a
>bunch of old stuff from Majordomo in it's Log format.   Any suggestions
>on this?
>
>I tried to search the -users archives, but the SIG stuff doesn't appear
>to work anymore.   Thanks for any advice,

I'm not sure what Majordomo log format is but mbox format is pretty
easy to convert stuff into... just ^N^Nfrom<space> between messages.
The problem that I ran into when doing some conversion is that
Mailman 2.0 looks for some date/time strings on the same line as
the "from<space>" ..




From manojit at mymcomm.com  Wed Apr  4 08:51:05 2001
From: manojit at mymcomm.com (Manojit)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:21:05 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104041219540.24722-100000@localhost.localdomain>

HI,
1.>I have installed mailman on my server, I've created a list, changed
aliases, run newaliases and typed
http://mailman.com.mymcomm.com/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi
on the browser, which is showing no publicly advertised list available.But
when I clicked "the list admin overview page " link it shows me the list I
created as publicly advertised list. Why the listname is not showing by
listinfo.cgi?
2>On accesing the listinfo.cgi page I'm getting a line as "(Send questions
and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain.)". But I want to
change the link as my domain name, how to do that. I've added the
necessary things to mm_cfg.py file and changed aliases file also, but it
is not working.
-Manojit




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Wed Apr  4 09:46:50 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:46:50 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting my current members to text list 
In-Reply-To: <21670.986351776@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104040943290.18913-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Or sent an email to <listname>-request@<your.mailman.server> with subject
 'who' (without quotes) and empty message.

Try to send a message with subject 'help' : you'll have all the directive
 you can use by sending an email to <listname>-request.


Phil :))

On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:30:03 -0500
> Victor Sharp <vsharp at firewiredirect.com> wrote:
>
> > I can't find a way to export the names back to a plain text file
> > for archiving and moving.
>
> ~/bin/list_members
>
> --
> J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From plasma at ascensit.com  Wed Apr  4 13:53:07 2001
From: plasma at ascensit.com (Cristian Prevedello)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:53:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new version of command line tools
Message-ID: <20010404135307.A19875@ascensit.it>

Greetings,
i've released a new version of mailman-cmd tools.
I've fixed some bugs, and added two features (values assumed by config
variables are printed in human readble form, there is a command to know
which values can be assued by variables).

This package can be downloaded from 

ftp://chiara.dei.unipd.it/pub/users/plasma/mailman-cmd-0.2.tar.gz

Bug reports are welcome.
-- 
Cristian Prevedello, Consulente presso Ascensit srl
plasma at ascensit.com, http://www.ascensit.com/



From JJarvis at trueposition.com  Wed Apr  4 14:17:33 2001
From: JJarvis at trueposition.com (Jarvis, John)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:17:33 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
Message-ID: <3166C01D5E20D411AE6900508BC76CE80A67D5@fstpkop1.trueposition.com>

I have a small list on a dsl connection and the evil company Verizon can't
seem to maintain very well.  What I would like to do is implement list
redundancy across two machines that have different ISPs.  Out of curiosity
as anyone successfully done this?  Could be fun to set up, I am thinking a
couple perl scripts should do the job.
-Jarv




From plasma at ascensit.com  Wed Apr  4 15:19:47 2001
From: plasma at ascensit.com (Cristian Prevedello)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:19:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new version of command line tools
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010404082852.0409aeb0@internet.idrc.ca>; from kmccann@bellanet.org on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:32:32AM -0400
References: <20010404135307.A19875@ascensit.it> <5.0.0.25.2.20010404082852.0409aeb0@internet.idrc.ca>
Message-ID: <20010404151947.A20131@ascensit.it>

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:32:32AM -0400, Kevin McCann wrote:
> At 01:53 PM 2001/04/04 +0200, you wrote:
> >Greetings,
> >i've released a new version of mailman-cmd tools.
> >I've fixed some bugs, and added two features (values assumed by config
> >variables are printed in human readble form, there is a command to know
> >which values can be assued by variables).
> >
> >This package can be downloaded from
> >
> >ftp://chiara.dei.unipd.it/pub/users/plasma/mailman-cmd-0.2.tar.gz
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I installed the package but the mailadmin command fails:
> 
> --------------
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/home/mailman/bin//mailadmin.py", line 11, in ?
>      import Mailman.MailList
> ImportError: No module named Mailman.MailList
> ------------
> 
> mailadmin.py  seems to want to load the /var/lib/mailman library:
> 
> -------
> sys.path.insert(0,'/var/lib/mailman');
> -------
> 
> But I don't have that on my system. I do have mailman installed and it 
> works fine.
> 
> Any idea how to make your programs work?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin

darn, forgot to mention it on the INSTALL file. (yes i know i should do a
configure script :)

Just change the path '/var/lib/mailman' to the path where your mailman is
installed.

Thank you for the report and let me know suggestions and improvments :)

plasma
-- 
Cristian Prevedello, Consulente presso Ascensit srl
plasma at ascensit.com, http://www.ascensit.com/



From rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com  Wed Apr  4 17:13:45 2001
From: rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker)
Date: 04 Apr 2001 08:13:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad sender info for monthly reminder
Message-ID: <m366gkbsuu.fsf@localhost.localdomain>

I got the following "password" reminder this month:

Headers:

  Return-Path: <jokes-admin at rupa.com>
  X-Sieve: cmu-sieve 1.3
  Received: from gw.rupa.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
                by gw.rupa.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E345CE6B1
                for <rupa+kc at rupa.com>; Sun,  1 Apr 2001 05:00:35 -0700 (PDT)
  Subject: list.gurukuli.com mailing list memberships reminder
  From: mailman-owner at rupa.com
  To: rupa+kc at rupa.com
  X-No-Archive: yes
  X-Ack: no
  Sender: jokes-admin at rupa.com
  Errors-To: jokes-admin at rupa.com
  X-BeenThere: jokes at rupa.com
  X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.2
  Precedence: bulk
  Message-Id: <20010401120035.8E345CE6B1 at gw.rupa.com>
  Date: Sun,  1 Apr 2001 05:00:35 -0700 (PDT)

The mailing list is kc at list.gurukuli.com.  I have 1 mailing list on
@rupa.com and a few on @list.gurukuli.com.  I don't mind the @rupa.com
in this case on the headers, though it would be nice if it had the
right domain.  However, all the header info says it is being sent by
the jokes at rupa.com list rather than the kc at list.gurukuli.com list.
Strange, no?

This has confused a number of my list members.  Thoughts?  

-- 
 Rupa



From joseph at ctc.com  Wed Apr  4 17:24:46 2001
From: joseph at ctc.com (Norman P. B. Joseph)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:24:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad sender info for monthly reminder
In-Reply-To: Rupa Schomaker <rupa-list+mailman@rupa.com>
        "[Mailman-Users] Bad sender info for monthly reminder" (Apr  4,  8:13)
References: <m366gkbsuu.fsf@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1010404112447.ZM41660@sgi152.ctc.com>

I've seen the same thing (2.0.1).  I'd be interested to know if there's a
remedy available or in the works.  At best it's a nusance.  At worst, as you
say, it can confuse people.

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From bootc at worldnet.fr  Wed Apr  4 17:30:33 2001
From: bootc at worldnet.fr (Chris Boot)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:30:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104041219540.24722-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <B6F10808.CF87%bootc@worldnet.fr>

Hi,

> 1.>I have installed mailman on my server, I've created a list, changed
> aliases, run newaliases and typed
> http://mailman.com.mymcomm.com/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi
> on the browser, which is showing no publicly advertised list available.But
> when I clicked "the list admin overview page " link it shows me the list I
> created as publicly advertised list. Why the listname is not showing by
> listinfo.cgi?

Run bin/check_perms from your mailman directory.  That will probably tell
you that the permissions on some directory are wrong.  Then run
bin/check_perms -f to fix the problems one by one until you have none.

> 2>On accesing the listinfo.cgi page I'm getting a line as "(Send questions
> and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain.)". But I want to
> change the link as my domain name, how to do that. I've added the
> necessary things to mm_cfg.py file and changed aliases file also, but it
> is not working.

You need to add a line to your mm_cfg.py file that reads
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

This is because the Defults.py file is compiled, and won't update the value
of this property if you change the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME variable.  That line is
copied straight out of the Defaults.py file.

-- 
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B,*o#?C!!b    %o#?
NO CARRIER




From orion at deathcon.com  Wed Apr  4 19:06:41 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
In-Reply-To: <3166C01D5E20D411AE6900508BC76CE80A67D5@fstpkop1.trueposition.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041002450.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>

A simpler solution would be to use backup mail servers. It would
be fairly hard (IMHO) to keep multiple mailman installs in sync.
I would use the main DSL server to actually run the list, but add
in 2 other MX servers to "hold" your mail until your line comes
back...

zone file:

    IN    MX 5    primary.server.com.
    IN    MX 10   secondary.server.com.
    IN    MX 15   third.server.com.

Where I get fuzzy, is on how to configure the second and third servers
to "hold" mail until your box is reachable.

Can anyone else help here?

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jarvis, John wrote:

> I have a small list on a dsl connection and the evil company Verizon can't
> seem to maintain very well.  What I would like to do is implement list
> redundancy across two machines that have different ISPs.  Out of curiosity
> as anyone successfully done this?  Could be fun to set up, I am thinking a
> couple perl scripts should do the job.
> -Jarv
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From ler at lerctr.org  Wed Apr  4 19:14:02 2001
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:14:02 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041002450.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041002450.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <20010404.17140200@ler-freebie.iadfw.net>

Assuming the 2nd and 3rd servers are configured to accept the mail for 
that domain, nothing special is required of them. 



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 4/4/01, 12:06:41 PM, Steve Pirk <orion at deathcon.com> wrote regarding Re: 
[Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy:


> A simpler solution would be to use backup mail servers. It would
> be fairly hard (IMHO) to keep multiple mailman installs in sync.
> I would use the main DSL server to actually run the list, but add
> in 2 other MX servers to "hold" your mail until your line comes
> back...

> zone file:

>     IN    MX 5    primary.server.com.
>     IN    MX 10   secondary.server.com.
>     IN    MX 15   third.server.com.

> Where I get fuzzy, is on how to configure the second and third servers
> to "hold" mail until your box is reachable.

> Can anyone else help here?

> Steve
> orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
> deathcon.com - pirk.com
> webops.com - disclaimer.com
> --

> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jarvis, John wrote:

> > I have a small list on a dsl connection and the evil company Verizon 
can't
> > seem to maintain very well.  What I would like to do is implement list
> > redundancy across two machines that have different ISPs.  Out of 
curiosity
> > as anyone successfully done this?  Could be fun to set up, I am thinking 
a
> > couple perl scripts should do the job.
> > -Jarv
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >


> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From orion at deathcon.com  Wed Apr  4 19:22:15 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:22:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
In-Reply-To: <20010404.17140200@ler-freebie.iadfw.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041019330.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>

Ok, so you then add the "domain" that is used for the mailing
list to the sendmail.cw file or it's equivalent.... (domains I
accept mail for).

Would the secondary/third servers then then try to deliver
it locally? That is where I get confused :-)

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Larry Rosenman wrote:

> Assuming the 2nd and 3rd servers are configured to accept the mail for 
> that domain, nothing special is required of them. 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> 
> On 4/4/01, 12:06:41 PM, Steve Pirk <orion at deathcon.com> wrote regarding Re: 
> [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy:
> 
> 
> > A simpler solution would be to use backup mail servers. It would
> > be fairly hard (IMHO) to keep multiple mailman installs in sync.
> > I would use the main DSL server to actually run the list, but add
> > in 2 other MX servers to "hold" your mail until your line comes
> > back...
> 
> > zone file:
> 
> >     IN    MX 5    primary.server.com.
> >     IN    MX 10   secondary.server.com.
> >     IN    MX 15   third.server.com.
> 
> > Where I get fuzzy, is on how to configure the second and third servers
> > to "hold" mail until your box is reachable.
> 
> > Can anyone else help here?
> 
> > Steve
> > orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
> > deathcon.com - pirk.com
> > webops.com - disclaimer.com
> > --
> 
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jarvis, John wrote:
> 
> > > I have a small list on a dsl connection and the evil company Verizon 
> can't
> > > seem to maintain very well.  What I would like to do is implement list
> > > redundancy across two machines that have different ISPs.  Out of 
> curiosity
> > > as anyone successfully done this?  Could be fun to set up, I am thinking 
> a
> > > couple perl scripts should do the job.
> > > -Jarv
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> 
> 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From lindsey at mallorn.com  Wed Apr  4 19:47:16 2001
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:47:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041019330.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>; from orion@deathcon.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:22:15AM -0700
References: <20010404.17140200@ler-freebie.iadfw.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041019330.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <20010404124716.A21627@mallorn.com>

> Ok, so you then add the "domain" that is used for the mailing
> list to the sendmail.cw file or it's equivalent.... (domains I
> accept mail for).
> 
> Would the secondary/third servers then then try to deliver
> it locally? That is where I get confused :-)

Yes.  The sendmail.cw file specifies which hosts should be treated
the same as localhost, so it would try to deliver.

The backup servers should not specify each domain in sendmail.cw; rather,
RELAY_DOMAIN_FILE should be used in your .mc file and populated with
domain names to queue.  If the MX records are right, it will only queue
until the primary becomes available.

Chris



From ler at lerctr.org  Wed Apr  4 19:47:36 2001
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:47:36 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041019330.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041019330.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <20010404.17473600@ler-freebie.iadfw.net>

NO, not sendmail.cw, but the allowed relay list.

The machine will just forward to the lower precedence MX records 
on it's normal queuerun.

the machine should only accept RELAY req's for that domain, NOT try to 
deliver locally.

LER

-- 
Larry Rosenman                             http://www.lerctr.org/~ler/
Phone: +1 972 414 9812                          E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 US

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 4/4/01, 12:22:15 PM, Steve Pirk <orion at deathcon.com> wrote regarding Re: 
[Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy:


> Ok, so you then add the "domain" that is used for the mailing
> list to the sendmail.cw file or it's equivalent.... (domains I
> accept mail for).

> Would the secondary/third servers then then try to deliver
> it locally? That is where I get confused :-)

> Steve
> orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
> deathcon.com - pirk.com
> webops.com - disclaimer.com
> --

> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Larry Rosenman wrote:

> > Assuming the 2nd and 3rd servers are configured to accept the mail for
> > that domain, nothing special is required of them.
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > On 4/4/01, 12:06:41 PM, Steve Pirk <orion at deathcon.com> wrote regarding Re:
> > [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy:
> >
> >
> > > A simpler solution would be to use backup mail servers. It would
> > > be fairly hard (IMHO) to keep multiple mailman installs in sync.
> > > I would use the main DSL server to actually run the list, but add
> > > in 2 other MX servers to "hold" your mail until your line comes
> > > back...
> >
> > > zone file:
> >
> > >     IN    MX 5    primary.server.com.
> > >     IN    MX 10   secondary.server.com.
> > >     IN    MX 15   third.server.com.
> >
> > > Where I get fuzzy, is on how to configure the second and third servers
> > > to "hold" mail until your box is reachable.
> >
> > > Can anyone else help here?
> >
> > > Steve
> > > orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
> > > deathcon.com - pirk.com
> > > webops.com - disclaimer.com
> > > --
> >
> > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jarvis, John wrote:
> >
> > > > I have a small list on a dsl connection and the evil company Verizon
> > can't
> > > > seem to maintain very well.  What I would like to do is implement list
> > > > redundancy across two machines that have different ISPs.  Out of
> > curiosity
> > > > as anyone successfully done this?  Could be fun to set up, I am thinking
> > a
> > > > couple perl scripts should do the job.
> > > > -Jarv
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >



From jerrya at jerrya.net  Wed Apr  4 19:59:32 2001
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:59:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041019330.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104041252170.9440-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Steve Pirk wrote:

> Ok, so you then add the "domain" that is used for the mailing
> list to the sendmail.cw file or it's equivalent.... (domains I
> accept mail for).
> 
> Would the secondary/third servers then then try to deliver
> it locally? That is where I get confused :-)

I was thinking about this lately as well. I would think the secondary
servers should just be relaying. I haven't tried it yet, though.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From reb at taco.com  Wed Apr  4 19:59:54 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:59:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041002450.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>
References: <3166C01D5E20D411AE6900508BC76CE80A67D5@fstpkop1.trueposition.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010404135755.02ad8008@taco.com>

At 10:06 AM 4/4/2001 -0700, Steve Pirk wrote:
>A simpler solution would be to use backup mail servers. It would
>be fairly hard (IMHO) to keep multiple mailman installs in sync.
>I would use the main DSL server to actually run the list, but add
>in 2 other MX servers to "hold" your mail until your line comes
>back...
>
>zone file:
>
>     IN    MX 5    primary.server.com.
>     IN    MX 10   secondary.server.com.
>     IN    MX 15   third.server.com.
>
>Where I get fuzzy, is on how to configure the second and third servers
>to "hold" mail until your box is reachable.
>
>Can anyone else help here?

Add primary.server.name to the sendmail.relay-domains file on
the secondary and tertiary servers... You may need to set this up
in your sendmail.cf if it's not already there.

reb




From bhamans at novachem.com  Wed Apr  4 20:17:19 2001
From: bhamans at novachem.com (Sohail Bhamani)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:17:19 -0600 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1>



Hello,
Quick question please,

Is '  Mailman   ' Compatible with Windows 2000 ???

Thanks.



	Sohail Bhamani 
Windows 2000 Professional, Project Team.
IT Department.
NOVA Chemicals Inc. 
Calgary, AB, CANADA
	*(403) 750-3827 
	*bhamans at novachem.com



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From orion at deathcon.com  Wed Apr  4 20:15:03 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:15:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman redundancy
In-Reply-To: <20010404124716.A21627@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104041113580.17882-100000@mail.pirk.com>

This helps a lot... Thank you! It all makes sense now.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:

> 
> Yes.  The sendmail.cw file specifies which hosts should be treated
> the same as localhost, so it would try to deliver.
> 
> The backup servers should not specify each domain in sendmail.cw; rather,
> RELAY_DOMAIN_FILE should be used in your .mc file and populated with
> domain names to queue.  If the MX records are right, it will only queue
> until the primary becomes available.
> 
> Chris
> 




From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Wed Apr  4 20:20:29 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 04 Apr 2001 14:20:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1>
References: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1>
Message-ID: <986408442.17718.2.camel@kneel>

No, you need a UNIX machine to run Mailman.

--Neil

On 04 Apr 2001 12:17:19 -0600, Sohail Bhamani wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> Quick question please,
> 
> Is '  Mailman   ' Compatible with Windows 2000 ???
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
>       Sohail Bhamani 
> Windows 2000 Professional, Project Team.
> IT Department.
> NOVA Chemicals Inc. 
> Calgary, AB, CANADA
>       *(403) 750-3827 
>       *bhamans at novachem.com
> 
> 
> 




From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Apr  4 20:22:14 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:22:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1>; from bhamans@novachem.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:17:19PM -0600
References: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1>
Message-ID: <20010404112214.B10849@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:17:19PM -0600, Sohail Bhamani wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> Quick question please,
> 
> Is '  Mailman   ' Compatible with Windows 2000 ???

It's windows 2000 that isn't compatible with mailman :-)
(the best part, is  that mailman being 95%+ python, it  could run on windows
with few modifications, but I don't think  any of the people able to do this
would see the point and bother to try and port it)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From rob at prometheusmedia.com  Wed Apr  4 20:28:43 2001
From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:28:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1>
Message-ID: <B6F0D20B.8F1%rob@prometheusmedia.com>

on 4/4/01 1:17 PM, Sohail Bhamani at bhamans at novachem.com wrote:

> Is '  Mailman   ' Compatible with Windows 2000 ???

Is anything really compatible with windows ?
Seriously, no, it?s Unix.

 Robert Brandtjen
 --------------------------------------
 Web Site Creation and Hosting Services
 Hostmaster at prometheusmedia.com
 www.prometheusmedia.com

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From rob at prometheusmedia.com  Wed Apr  4 20:45:21 2001
From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:45:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: delivery failure
In-Reply-To: <E14ks3N-0000ZK-00@ente.berdmann.de>
Message-ID: <B6F0D5F1.8F7%rob@prometheusmedia.com>

on 4/4/01 1:30 PM, Bernhard R. Erdmann at be at berdmann.de wrote:

> Your email Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:28:43 -0500
> containing HTML junk is not wanted here for security reasons. It has been
> bounced without human intervention.
> 

Umm, it was a reply, erdmann, so f***-you

 Robert Brandtjen
 --------------------------------------
 Web Site Creation and Hosting Services
 Hostmaster at prometheusmedia.com
 www.prometheusmedia.com




From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Wed Apr  4 20:53:43 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 04 Apr 2001 14:53:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20010404112214.B10849@magic.merlins.org>
References: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1> 
	<20010404112214.B10849@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel>

> 
> It's windows 2000 that isn't compatible with mailman :-)
> (the best part, is  that mailman being 95%+ python, it  could run on windows
> with few modifications, but I don't think  any of the people able to do this
> would see the point and bother to try and port it)

How is this possible?  Is there an MTA which is similar enough in nature
to sendmail to make this happen?

--Neil




From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Apr  4 20:59:10 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:59:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel>; from ncooler@nandomedia.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:53:43PM -0400
References: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1> <20010404112214.B10849@magic.merlins.org> <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <20010404115910.E10849@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:53:43PM -0400, Neil Cooler wrote:
> 
> > 
> > It's windows 2000 that isn't compatible with mailman :-)
> > (the best part, is  that mailman being 95%+ python, it  could run on windows
> > with few modifications, but I don't think  any of the people able to do this
> > would see the point and bother to try and port it)
> 
> How is this possible?  Is there an MTA which is similar enough in nature
> to sendmail to make this happen?

mailman now connects to  port 25 to send list mail so  your MTA doesn't even
have to have a sendmail compatible command interface.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Wed Apr  4 21:12:58 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 04 Apr 2001 15:12:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20010404115910.E10849@magic.merlins.org>
References: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1>
	<20010404112214.B10849@magic.merlins.org> <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel> 
	<20010404115910.E10849@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <986411578.19519.5.camel@kneel>

Is this better for performance?

Can I tell mailman to use another server to send the mail?

--Neil

On 04 Apr 2001 11:59:10 -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:53:43PM -0400, Neil Cooler wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > It's windows 2000 that isn't compatible with mailman :-)
> > > (the best part, is  that mailman being 95%+ python, it  could run on windows
> > > with few modifications, but I don't think  any of the people able to do this
> > > would see the point and bother to try and port it)
> > 
> > How is this possible?  Is there an MTA which is similar enough in nature
> > to sendmail to make this happen?
> 
> mailman now connects to  port 25 to send list mail so  your MTA doesn't even
> have to have a sendmail compatible command interface.
> 
> Marc
> -- 
> Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
>   
> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From alexh at synapseglobal.com  Wed Apr  4 21:41:52 2001
From: alexh at synapseglobal.com (Alex Hathaway)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:41:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Something to add to the wishlist
Message-ID: <NFBBLCHJADHPCJIBINDIIECJCBAA.alexh@synapseglobal.com>

How about easy setup for qmail users?

The text README.QMAIL bites. It uses vague terminology and doesn't give much
help :P




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  4 21:58:05 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:58:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Neil Cooler <ncooler@nandomedia.com> 
   of "04 Apr 2001 14:53:43 EDT." <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel> 
References: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1> <20010404112214.B10849@magic.merlins.org>  <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel> 
Message-ID: <19220.986414285@kanga.nu>

On 04 Apr 2001 14:53:43 -0400 
Neil Cooler <ncooler at nandomedia.com> wrote:

>> It's windows 2000 that isn't compatible with mailman :-) (the
>> best part, is that mailman being 95%+ python, it could run on
>> windows with few modifications, but I don't think any of the
>> people able to do this would see the point and bother to try and
>> port it)

> How is this possible?  Is there an MTA which is similar enough in
> nature to sendmail to make this happen?

The MTA is not the problem.

The problem, what there is of it, is that Mailman is built assuming
a Unix-like process model (fork/exec UID/GID etc) and Windows
doesn't have those things.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From alex at phred.org  Wed Apr  4 22:12:40 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:12:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104041310070.52095-100000@phred.org>

On 4 Apr 2001, Neil Cooler wrote:
> Marc MERLIN <marc_news at valinux.com> said:
> > It's windows 2000 that isn't compatible with mailman :-)
> > (the best part, is  that mailman being 95%+ python, it  could run on windows
> > with few modifications, but I don't think  any of the people able to do this
> > would see the point and bother to try and port it)
> 
> How is this possible?  Is there an MTA which is similar enough in nature
> to sendmail to make this happen?

It would not be hard at all to port Mailman, or something like it, to
run on top of the Windows 2000 SMTP server (which comes out of the box
as part of IIS).

I've considered doing this at some point, although it is just as
likely that I'd write a new system from scratch.  Everything for my
mailing lists (MTA, searchable archives) runs on Windows 2000 except
for mailman itself.

I'm not really sure why Marc makes such sweeping statements as the one
above.

alex




From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Apr  4 22:46:32 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:46:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <986411578.19519.5.camel@kneel>; from ncooler@nandomedia.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:12:58PM -0400
References: <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1> <20010404112214.B10849@magic.merlins.org> <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel> <ncooler@nandomedia.com> <19220.986414285@kanga.nu> <E9D95AD253A5D411AED9009027FC90F601024F7C@mailmw1> <20010404112214.B10849@magic.merlins.org> <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel> <20010404115910.E10849@magic.merlins.org> <986411578.19519.5.camel@kneel>
Message-ID: <20010404134632.G10849@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:12:58PM -0400, Neil Cooler wrote:
> Is this better for performance?
 
It can be, but it depends (fork times, how many receipients are included in
each mail, etc, etc...)
 
> Can I tell mailman to use another server to send the mail?

SMTPHOST in ~mailman/Mailman/{Defaults.py,mm_cfg.py}


On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:58:05PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> The problem, what there is of it, is that Mailman is built assuming
> a Unix-like process model (fork/exec UID/GID etc) and Windows
> doesn't have those things.
 
Not that I  know anything about windows,  but I thought it had  some kind of
posix  layer that  allowed  that. Either  way, some  porting  work would  be
necessary.
 
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:12:40PM -0700, alex wetmore wrote:
> I've considered doing this at some point, although it is just as
> likely that I'd write a new system from scratch.  Everything for my
> mailing lists (MTA, searchable archives) runs on Windows 2000 except
> for mailman itself.
> 
> I'm not really sure why Marc makes such sweeping statements as the one
> above.

I  see no  benefits on  making this  run on  windows and  the total  cost of
ownership will be higher.
I said  that _most_ people who'd  know how to  do the port wouldn't  see the
point/want to bother.
All that said, it's very possible to do  the port, not even that hard due to
python code being inherently rather portable, and provisions for things like
the directory separator native to the OS python runs on.

That said, it's obviously my personal opinion, anyone is welcome to disagree
with me.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  4 23:17:20 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:17:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from alex wetmore <alex@phred.org> 
   of "Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:12:40 PDT." <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104041310070.52095-100000@phred.org> 
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104041310070.52095-100000@phred.org> 
Message-ID: <17160.986419040@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:12:40 -0700 (PDT) 
alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> wrote:

> I'm not really sure why Marc makes such sweeping statements as the
> one above.

Simple really -- I don't believe that any of the current developer
base has any personal interest or motivation for a Windows port.
Its not that its inherently a hard thing to do or that they don't
want it to happen, its just that they have no particular reason to
do it themselves as they're personally quite happy with their
current Unix based approach.

Now, should say you go do the work and submit the relevant patches,
I'm sure they'd be warmly received.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com  Wed Apr  4 23:41:09 2001
From: rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker)
Date: 04 Apr 2001 14:41:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender header vs. SMTP envelope FROM
Message-ID: <m3snjo2vii.fsf@rupa.com>

mailman used the SMTP envelope to determine who the message was from.
It now uses the Sender: header.  Is there a bit to flip that would
cause it to work the old way?



From jon at modem.org  Thu Apr  5 02:41:17 2001
From: jon at modem.org (Jon Spewak)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:41:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird mailman bug
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104042035230.6685-100000@server.modem.org>

This is weird.  Just created a new mailing list called "Junk", and
successfully administrated the options throughout the mailing list.  I had
a friend of mine subscribe to the list via the webpage, got email
verification, and he responded to it.  I tried to get back in to the Junk
Administration page from my web browser, but the link just hangs when I
click on it.  That's weird.  I've tried everything, and I just can't
administer the list anymore.  It just hangs.

I go to http://mailman.modem.org/m/admin/junk and that just hangs.  The
webserver is working fine, and http://mailman.modem.org/m/listinfo/junk
and other mailman URL's work fine.  Other admin pages work fine too.  I
don't know what's wrong with the Junk list.

I tried the admin page in IE 5.0 and Netscape 4.08, same hang
happens.  There's no page request shown in the webserver log when I click
on that link, so I find that weird too.  I checked the mailman logs, and
there's no errors listed there.

I ran check_db on the junk list, and it checks out fine.  I then did a
rmlist to remove the junk mailing list, thinking it was just gone.  I
re-created the junk mailing list, however the exact same thing happens
when I click on the admin page.

I'm out of ideas here.

Jon




From moacir at lithchat.com  Thu Apr  5 03:18:57 2001
From: moacir at lithchat.com (Moacir)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:18:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi problems with one list on functining server
Message-ID: <20010404201857.A27250@lithchat.com>



From chawtjia at mark.petra.ac.id  Thu Apr  5 14:12:46 2001
From: chawtjia at mark.petra.ac.id (Chaw Tjia)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:12:46 +0700 (JAVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail: see transcript for details (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104051911120.21543-100000@mark.petra.ac.id>

I'd Like to ask what is it all about ?
I've made new mailing-list tjia, and have subscribed to the mailing list,
but when I want to repl the confirmation, there were error as follows :

please help me out of this

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:39:52 +0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at canibal.petra.ac.id>
To: chawtjia at mark.petra.ac.id
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details

The original message was received at Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:39:52 +0700
from mark.petra.ac.id [202.43.253.6]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tjia"
    (reason: service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <tjia-request at canibal.petra.ac.id>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tjia"... Service unavailable




From chawtjia at peter.petra.ac.id  Thu Apr  5 06:58:07 2001
From: chawtjia at peter.petra.ac.id (Chaw Tjia)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:58:07 +0700 (GMT+0700)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error report
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.1010405115613.2273B-120000@peter.petra.ac.id>

I've set the mailman succeed, and create newlist tjia, and i subscribed 
through web-based program, and replied by the mailman subscribe number.
when I try to repl the confirmation number, I got a message :

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:46:27 +0700
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at canibal.petra.ac.id>
To: chawtjia at peter.petra.ac.id
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details

The original message was received at Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:46:27 +0700
from peter.petra.ac.id [202.43.253.4]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (reason: service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <test-request at canibal.petra.ac.id>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable

Please help me

Chaw Tjia
Network Administrator
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From chawtjia at peter.petra.ac.id  Thu Apr  5 10:33:37 2001
From: chawtjia at peter.petra.ac.id (Chaw Tjia)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:33:37 +0700 (GMT+0700)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] viewing archive-file through web
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.1010405152724.30144B-100000@peter.petra.ac.id>

I install the mailman into : /home/mailman

I can subscribed and unsubscribed, but when I want to see the message 
record, I can't see it :(

I'd like to ask why if I want to see the archive-file through web, I 
can't see it ? the address link :

  http://canibal.petra.ac.id/home/mailman/archives/public/mailman-milis/

But I see it in this dir /home/mailman/archives/public/mailman-milis : 
there are files :

drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr  5 14:29 .
drwxrws--x    5 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr  5 14:29 ..
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr  5 14:52 2001-April
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1075 Apr  5 14:52 2001-April.txt
drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr  5 14:52 database
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1101 Apr  5 14:52 index.html
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       491 Apr  5 14:52 pipermail.pck


THE ERROR MESSAGE in MY browser : 

the error HTTP 404 not found


 The page cannot be found 
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name 
changed, or is temporarily unavailable. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please try the following:

If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is 
spelled correctly.

Open the canibal.petra.ac.id home page, and then look for links to the 
information you want. 
Click the  Back button to try another link. 
Click  Search to look for information on the Internet. 



HTTP 404 - File not found
Internet Explorer 
 

Thanks

 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chaw Tjia                      |  Petra Christian University
Network Administrator          |  Computing Center 
                               |  Phone +62-31-8494830 ext. 1194 
<chawtjia at peter.petra.ac.id>   |  Addr : Siwalankerto 121-131, Surabaya
<chawtjia at john.petra.ac.id>    |         60291, East Java, Indonesia
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                    




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Thu Apr  5 10:52:03 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:52:03 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] viewing archive-file through web
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.1010405152724.30144B-100000@peter.petra.ac.id>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104051042310.25956-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

If you've configured your http server as specified in the INSTALL doc,
 (included in Mailman-2.0.3 distribution - which one do you use ?)
 you should use the following URL with your browser :

 http://canibal.petra.ac.id/pipermail/mailman-milis

(for Apache, this configuration in httpd.conf should be :
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ )

If you want to use the URL you've tried (below), then your http server
 should be configured to have DocumentRoot set to / ... and that would
 not be a good idea.
If your browser in on the same host (i.e. you launch it from
 canibal.petra.ac.id), you can use the following URL (with file:/ instead
 of http://) :

file:/home/mailman/archives/public/mailman-milis/index.html

Phil.
______________________________________________________________________
         /\  H E W L E T T    /\/\    Phone:      +33 (0)4 76 03 86 72
  /\    /  \ P A C K A R D /\/ /  \   Telnet/VM:  779-8672
 /  \/\/    \ F R A N C E /  \/    \  Loc:        B1N1G4
/    \ \     \___________/   /        mailto:pr at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com
    I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
______________________________________________________________________

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Chaw Tjia wrote:

> I install the mailman into : /home/mailman
>
> I can subscribed and unsubscribed, but when I want to see the message
> record, I can't see it :(
>
> I'd like to ask why if I want to see the archive-file through web, I
> can't see it ? the address link :
>
>   http://canibal.petra.ac.id/home/mailman/archives/public/mailman-milis/
>
> But I see it in this dir /home/mailman/archives/public/mailman-milis :
> there are files :
>
> drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr  5 14:29 .
> drwxrws--x    5 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr  5 14:29 ..
> drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr  5 14:52 2001-April
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1075 Apr  5 14:52 2001-April.txt
> drwxrws---    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr  5 14:52 database
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1101 Apr  5 14:52 index.html
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       491 Apr  5 14:52 pipermail.pck
>
>
> THE ERROR MESSAGE in MY browser :
>
> the error HTTP 404 not found
>
>
>  The page cannot be found
> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name
> changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Please try the following:
>
> If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is
> spelled correctly.
>
> Open the canibal.petra.ac.id home page, and then look for links to the
> information you want.
> Click the  Back button to try another link.
> Click  Search to look for information on the Internet.
>
>
>
> HTTP 404 - File not found
> Internet Explorer
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Chaw Tjia                      |  Petra Christian University
> Network Administrator          |  Computing Center
>                                |  Phone +62-31-8494830 ext. 1194
> <chawtjia at peter.petra.ac.id>   |  Addr : Siwalankerto 121-131, Surabaya
> <chawtjia at john.petra.ac.id>    |         60291, East Java, Indonesia
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From serge.chambord at nortelnetworks.com  Thu Apr  5 10:54:43 2001
From: serge.chambord at nortelnetworks.com (Serge Chambord)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:54:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: <A915DBBC3030D411B78A0008C7918110016A798D@zjbac006.net.matranortel.com>

Hello

Where is it posible to find Mailman 2.0.3 to install it on Windows NT 4 SP 4

Thanks

Serge chambord
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From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Thu Apr  5 14:17:22 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:17:22 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] viewing archive-file through web
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.1010405173039.2090A-100000@peter.petra.ac.id>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104051402290.25956-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Hello Chaw,

Hem ... you should answer to the whole mailman list. Maybe other people
 can help you ...

I'm not an Apache expert (neither for other http servers), but just one
 question : why do you have
---
Alias /pipermail/ XXXXXXXXX
---
 declared twice ??

You still can't access the archive file, but which URL do you use ?
Did you try the ones I suggested you in my last mail ?


Hum ... one idea : are your archives available by ALL people, or do
 you have a restricted access on it ? (In the admin part of the mailman
 pages).
In your log, there is :
---
> /mailman/archives/private/pipermail/mailman-milis
---
 and that suggests that you made your archive be restricted access.

Perhaps the problem comes from Apache configuration. Did you have a look
 at its logs ? (and not mailman logs)


I have no other ideas at the moment, since I do not use (and know
 about) mailman for a long time ...

Phil.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Chaw Tjia wrote:

> mailman directory is in /home/mailman
>
> i've set httpd.conf like this :
>
>
>    DocumentRoot "/home"
>
>
>    <Directory /home/mailman/>
>       Options FollowSymLinks
>       AllowOverride None
>    </Directory>
>
>
>    Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
>    <Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
>      Options Indexes MultiViews
>      AllowOverride None
>    </Directory>
>
>
>    <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin">
>      AllowOverride None
>      Options ExecCGI
>      Order allow,deny
>      Allow from all
>    </Directory>
>
>
>    ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
>
>    Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
>    <Location /pipermail>
>       order deny,allow
>       deny from all
>       allow from canibal.petra.ac.id
>       Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
>    </Location>
>
>
>
> the message of the /home/mailman/logs/error :
>
> DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home
> admin(3185):    SERVER_ADDR: 202.43.253.48
> admin(3185):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
> admin(3185):    SERVER_PORT: 80
> admin(3185):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/private/pipermail/mailman-milis
> admin(3185):    REMOTE_ADDR: 202.43.253.58
> admin(3185):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
> admin(3185):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
> admin(3185):    SERVER_NAME: canibal.petra.ac.id
> admin(3185):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
> admin(3185):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0;
> Windows 98; DigExt
> )
> admin(3185):    HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
> admin(3185):    REQUEST_URI:
> /mailman/archives/private/pipermail/mailman-milis
> admin(3185):    QUERY_STRING:
> admin(3185):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/archives
> admin(3185):    PATH_INFO: /private/pipermail/mailman-milis
> admin(3185):    HTTP_HOST: canibal.petra.ac.id
> admin(3185):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
> admin(3185):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.12 Server at
> canibal.petra.ac.id
>  Port 80</ADDRESS>
>
> admin(3185):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/archives
> admin(3185):    SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
> admin(3185):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)  (Red Hat/Linux)
> mod_ssl/2.6.6 O
> penSSL/0.9.5a mod_perl/1.24
> admin(3185):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
> admin(3185):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
> admin(3185):    REMOTE_PORT: 1675
>
>
> Still can't access the archive file :(((
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Chaw Tjia                      |  Petra Christian University
> Network Administrator          |  Computing Center
>                                |  Phone +62-31-8494830 ext. 1194
> <chawtjia at peter.petra.ac.id>   |  Addr : Siwalankerto 121-131, Surabaya
> <chawtjia at john.petra.ac.id>    |         60291, East Java, Indonesia
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>






From bbarbour at gcts.edu  Thu Apr  5 14:29:50 2001
From: bbarbour at gcts.edu (bbarbour)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:29:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Netscape Enterprise Server 3.51
Message-ID: <3AC00B38@email.gcts.edu>

I am attempting to install Mailman and we use Netscape Enterprise Server 3.5 
as our web server.  I am having trouble setting up the permissions for the CGI 
scripts and also pointing the webserver to the Pipermail public archives.  Any 
hints or advice that would put me on the right track.

Thanks


Brian Barbour

Gordon Conwell IT Dept.




From barry at digicool.com  Thu Apr  5 15:45:22 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:45:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Something to add to the wishlist
References: <NFBBLCHJADHPCJIBINDIIECJCBAA.alexh@synapseglobal.com>
Message-ID: <15052.30450.930940.714769@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AH" == Alex Hathaway <alexh at synapseglobal.com> writes:

    AH> How about easy setup for qmail users?

    AH> The text README.QMAIL bites. It uses vague terminology and
    AH> doesn't give much help :P

I don't use QMAIL.  Contributions and improvements to that README are
welcome!

-Barry



From barry at digicool.com  Thu Apr  5 15:48:03 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:48:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
References: <986410424.17714.4.camel@kneel>
	<Pine.BSF.4.21.0104041310070.52095-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <15052.30611.861081.691703@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "aw" == alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> writes:

    aw> I've considered doing this at some point, although it is just
    aw> as likely that I'd write a new system from scratch.
    aw> Everything for my mailing lists (MTA, searchable archives)
    aw> runs on Windows 2000 except for mailman itself.

If you decide to port Mailman to Windows, I'd be happy to talk about
what would be needed.  But that would best be discussed on
mailman-developers.

-Barry



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr  5 17:51:22 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:51:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Serge Chambord" <serge.chambord@nortelnetworks.com> 
   of "Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:54:43 BST." <A915DBBC3030D411B78A0008C7918110016A798D@zjbac006.net.matranortel.com> 
References: <A915DBBC3030D411B78A0008C7918110016A798D@zjbac006.net.matranortel.com> 
Message-ID: <13069.986485882@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:54:43 +0100 
Serge Chambord <serge.chambord at nortelnetworks.com> wrote:

> Where is it posible to find Mailman 2.0.3 to install it on Windows
> NT 4 SP 4

Currently nobody has bothered to see what would be required to make
Mailman work on Windows.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From orion at deathcon.com  Thu Apr  5 18:32:53 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Netscape Enterprise Server 3.51
In-Reply-To: <3AC00B38@email.gcts.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104050927470.22741-100000@mail.pirk.com>

The pipermail rule would look something like:
(all on one line)
NameTrans fn="pfx2dir" from="/pipermail"  
dir="/home/mailman/archives/public/"

and the cgi might resemble:
NameTrans fn="cgi" from="/mailman" dir="/home/mailman/cgi-bin"


Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, bbarbour wrote:

> I am attempting to install Mailman and we use Netscape Enterprise Server 3.5 
> as our web server.  I am having trouble setting up the permissions for the CGI 
> scripts and also pointing the webserver to the Pipermail public archives.  Any 
> hints or advice that would put me on the right track.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Brian Barbour
> 
> Gordon Conwell IT Dept.
> 




From lcarter1 at cwctv.net  Thu Apr  5 19:42:33 2001
From: lcarter1 at cwctv.net (lcarter1 at cwctv.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:42:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE:Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1128 - 5 msgs
Message-ID: <0a4380934170541DTVMAIL2@smtp.cwctv.net>

stop sending this rubbish



On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:01:22 -0400 mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
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From jay at ccs.neu.edu  Thu Apr  5 23:51:23 2001
From: jay at ccs.neu.edu (Jay Sekora)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:51:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permissions problem with private archives
Message-ID: <200104052151.f35LpNt03229@maia.ccs.neu.edu>

Hi.  I'm setting up mailman-2.0.3, and am having a problem with private 
archives not being private.  (I'm using thttpd and postfix.  Because 
thttpd doesn't like following symlinks and requires all documents 
to be under a single document tree, I'm having to play a few symlink 
games with Mailman to make things work, but I don't believe those 
are relevant to my problems.)

Private archives are fine through the web interface - only visible with
authentication -, but they're world-readable in the filesystem, which
means that anybody with a local account can see them.  Since some of
our mailing lists might end up being about things like hiring, that's
clearly not OK.  So the first time a message for a list with a private archive 
is received, the archive is created with world read permissions (and 
world execute permissions on the directories).  That seems like it 
ought not to be correct.

By way of experimentation, I set a private archive to be non-world-readable 
by hand (but still group-readable by group mailman).  However, that 
prevented the private archives from being readable over the web even *with* 
proper authentication.  (I don't really understand that, since the 
files/directories were readable/traversable by group mailman, and 
the "private" CGI script is setgid mailman.)

Here are sample permissions in "archives/private":
  % ls -lg /home/mailman/www/archives/private
  total 20
  drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 23 18:55 havnot.mbox
  drwxrwsr-x   4 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 31 03:27 test
  drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 30 16:48 test.mbox
  drwxrwsr-x   4 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 31 03:27 testprivate
  drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 30 17:27 testprivate.mbox

And inside the "testprivate" directory:
  % ls -lg /home/mailman/www/archives/private/testprivate
  total 24
  drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 30 17:27 20010330
  -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       581 Mar 30 17:27 20010330.txt
  -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       358 Mar 31 03:27 20010330.txt.gz
  drwxrws---   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 30 17:27 database
  -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1078 Mar 30 17:27 index.html
  -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       489 Mar 30 17:27 pipermail.pck

For comparison, here are the permissions in the "test" directory (which 
is set up to be publically archived):
  % ls -lg /home/mailman/www/archives/private/test       
  total 24
  drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 30 17:05 Week-of-Mon-20010326
  -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      2857 Mar 30 17:05 Week-of-Mon-20010326.txt
  -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1337 Mar 31 03:27 Week-of-Mon-20010326.txt.gz
  drwxrws---   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 30 17:05 database
  -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1110 Mar 30 17:05 index.html
  -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       502 Mar 30 17:05 pipermail.pck

Note that the permissions are just the same.

The /home/mailman/www/archives/private directory itself is world-executable, 
but not world-readable, but that doesn't matter, since list names 
are predictable.

Again, access to the private and public archives through the web interface
works just as you would expect, but I need the actual files in the 
filesystem for private archives not to be world-readable.  Am I somehow 
misunderstanding the design here?  How does Mailman maintain the permissions 
on public versus private archives?

(Mailman's installation directory is on NFS, but it's *not* mounted 
with nosuid.)

Thanks to anybody who has suggestions.

-j.

PS - Here are some notes about the symlinks I made to get Mailman 
and thttpd talking nicely to each other:

  thttpd (in its default/more secure configuration) doesn't follow symlinks,
  so all the Mailman-related stuff needs to live under a common directory.
  I'm hoping Mailman will be content following symlinks.
  
  As user mailman:
  * mkdir /home/mailman/www
  * mv /home/mailman/archives /home/mailman/www
  * mv /home/mailman/cgi-bin /home/mailman/www/bin
  * ln -s www/archives /home/mailman
  * ln -s www/bin /home/mailman/cgi-bin
  * rm /home/mailman/www/bin/pipermail
  * ln -f -s /home/mailman/www/archives/public /home/mailman/www/bin/pipermail
  * ln -s archives/public www/pipermail

And here's the "configure" line I used:
  ./configure  --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/arch/unix/bin/python \
    '--with-mail-gid=nobody daemon' '--with-cgi-gid=nobody www daemon' \
    --with-gcc=/arch/gnu/bin/gcc



From wlsarka at the-republic.org  Fri Apr  6 02:42:28 2001
From: wlsarka at the-republic.org (Willis L. Sarka)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:42:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail + Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104060005570.17342-100000@matrix.the-republic.org>

Greetings,

I have stock Qmail 1.0.3 running just fine as the MTA, and I have compiled
and integrated Mailman with Apache and created a test list.  I have also
read the README.QMAIL that comes with the source.

My approach to integrating the Mailman aliases was to use the normal
Sendmail /etc/aliases and then use Qmail's newaliases utility, and adding
in /usr/local/qmail/aliases a file called .qmail-default with the line
containing:

		|fastforward /etc/aliases.cdb

So, I sign myself up to the test mailing list using this e-mail *grin*,
and then wait patiently for a confirmation.  I then check my Qmail
"current" file under /var/log/qmail/qmail-send directory,
and see the following lines:

@400000003acc80382dd423bc status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
@400000003acc8039198ccb5c delivery 11: deferral:
Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_
gid_12,_GOT_gid_503.__(Reconfigure_to_take_503?)/
@400000003acc8039198d9294 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20

Obviously, a problem with the group id on the system :-).
Stock, RedHat 7.0, mail gid is 12, alias gid is 503.

So, a few questions:

Is my methodology in creating the Qmail aliases ok?
How do I resolve the gid problem?

In the meantime, I'll try to make more sense of the README.QMAIL file.

Thanks in advance,
Will Sarka



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From jerrya at jerrya.net  Fri Apr  6 03:24:11 2001
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:24:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] semi-OT - nntp companion service
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104052013020.16102-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

I know this has little to do with Mailman, but I thought I'd see if anyone
has done what I'm thinking about doing. 

I would like to two-way-gate a private list to a newsgroup on a private
news server (which I would host on the same box). My wishlist includes the
following:

- Runs on Linux.
- Uses the mailman usernames/passwds the users already have. This implies
  that they are a subscriber of the list, but may have delivery turned
  off.
- Threading is preserved.
- Isn't too impossible to set up.
- Free/Open Source.

I have gated a group to a list before, and that worked out great. But now
a list I have would like to have a choice between tons of email in their
inboxes, and their good old news reader program.

If you have any experience with or tips for doing this, I would love to
hear about it.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From bird at 2.pacific.net.id  Fri Apr  6 04:29:30 2001
From: bird at 2.pacific.net.id (Bird)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:29:30 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set Qmail + Mailman
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010406092820.00a73938@pop3.2.pacific.net.id>

dear,

i ready have qmail running as MTA and i like to use mailman as maillist
how to set mailman and qmail to be work correctly




From return at trafficmagnet.net  Fri Apr  6 06:22:59 2001
From: return at trafficmagnet.net (Christine Hall)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:22:59 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WWW.LIST.ORG
Message-ID: <200104060422.MAA06195@ns2.trafficmagnet.net>

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From recruiterc at natrec.com.au  Fri Apr  6 06:43:09 2001
From: recruiterc at natrec.com.au (recruiterc at natrec.com.au)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:43:09 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists
Message-ID: <NEBBJHEIJBMCEECPJGANAEAGCDAA.recruiterc@natrec.com.au>

I am currently putting together a mailing list to my clients and am looking
for software that can support me and this project. I  run of windows NT. Are
there any products that you would recommend?

Sincerely,

Dominic Bowen
Account Manager
National IT&T Recruitment
Ph: (03)9810 4576  Mobile: 0409 971 674
Email: recruiterc at natrec.com.au




From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Fri Apr  6 06:34:25 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:34:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists
References: <NEBBJHEIJBMCEECPJGANAEAGCDAA.recruiterc@natrec.com.au>
Message-ID: <006a01c0be52$de63ebe0$7d351a42@kneel>

Wow, when it rains it pours.

One person starts a discussion to add more qmail docs, then suddenly a
couple more people ask for help with qmail.

Another person asks if mailman will run on Windows, and suddenly a few more
people do the same.

I wish i knew how to use qmail or write python.

--Neil


----- Original Message -----
From: <recruiterc at natrec.com.au>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:43 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists


> I am currently putting together a mailing list to my clients and am
looking
> for software that can support me and this project. I  run of windows NT.
Are
> there any products that you would recommend?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dominic Bowen
> Account Manager
> National IT&T Recruitment
> Ph: (03)9810 4576  Mobile: 0409 971 674
> Email: recruiterc at natrec.com.au
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From rpavonar at cisco.com  Fri Apr  6 08:56:49 2001
From: rpavonar at cisco.com (Richard M. Pavonarius)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:56:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem adding users
Message-ID: <4.3.2-J.20010406155620.00c2b370@malone.cisco.com>

I just put a new machine online running Trustix Linux 1.2, etc. etc. and 
Mailman 2.0.3-J. Now I'm trying to add 250 users to a mailing list via the 
admin Web page but I'm having some trouble.

I tried pasting all 250 addresses into the form at once (one to a line, 
Windows Netscape 4.75) but that didn't work. So I started doing 10 at a 
time, and that sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.

I have top running (top -q -d 2) and I can see that sometimes when I press 
the submit button python fires up only once and leaves the Web browser 
hanging. I'm also keeping an eye on /home/mailman/locks/ and I see that 
sometimes it's creating lock files, sometimes not. A few times I've had to 
clear out the locks directory to get it working again.

When it does work, I see in top that user nobody runs python, mailman runs 
python and postfix is doing its thing. (and I did renice -5 -u python ; 
renice -5 -g python, but I can't tell if it's helping.)

My questions are:
Why isn't it working every time? Why does python sometimes crap out instead 
of process the addresses? There doesn't seem to be a network problem 
between my laptop and the server.
Is there a less painful way to add lots and lots of users to a list at once?
On a 300 MHz i586, how many addresses should I be able to subscribe at a 
time? A batch of 20 takes a lot longer than I'd expect it to.

Thanks,

Rich 




From gniko at intrasoft.gr  Fri Apr  6 11:03:59 2001
From: gniko at intrasoft.gr (Nikoloudis George)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:03:59 +0300 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User ID Problem
Message-ID: <79B8387CCB9AD0118D0A00A0C9293C8C012BE730@lyra.intrasoft.gr>

Hello to all
My problem is that when I copy a file from my PC directory the file appears
in the shared SAMBA directory with file owner root
How it is possible when I copy a file the user owner not to change?

Thanks a lot

George 



From Thomas at travelhacker.com  Fri Apr  6 12:06:15 2001
From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (Thomas Speight)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:06:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reseting the Digest Volume and Issue Number
In-Reply-To: <E14lNj8-000071-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010406030423.02739340@travelhacker.com>

Is there a simple way to reset the Volume and Issue Number of a Digest 
without reinstalling Mailman.

Thanks,

Thomas




From rpavonar at cisco.com  Fri Apr  6 12:24:10 2001
From: rpavonar at cisco.com (Richard M. Pavonarius)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:24:10 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:problem adding users
Message-ID: <4.3.2-J.20010406192251.00b78250@malone.cisco.com>

Never mind. It turned out to be a bad Ethernet cable. I was thinking it 
might have something to do with using Python < 2.0.

Rich 




From perrylynch at lbd.org  Fri Apr  6 13:29:18 2001
From: perrylynch at lbd.org (Perry Lynch)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] In need of an example
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010406071730.0306b9b8@pop.access.digex.net>

I've been a little embarassed to ask this, but, all the stuff I have tried 
has failed, so here goes:

I was running mailman successfully, on a mandrake 7.2 box, with the 
standard load of stuff.
I'm using the same box to run virtual hosting for two domains, and was dumb 
enough to not save a copy of my original httpd.conf before messing with 
things. Now my mailman admin pages report a configuration error that I have 
not been able to identify:
-----
Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable 
to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, sysop at lbd.org and inform them of 
the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have 
caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
-----

I've read the server logs, and I've read the fine manual, but I have NOT 
been able to get this error to go away. Now I have two or three users who 
are complaining because they can't make changes to their accounts, and I 
sort of want this problem to be over with.

My request:  Is there an Admin on this list, who is running virtual hosting 
with Mandrake 7.2 with Apache, postfix and Mailman 2.0.3, who will take 
pity on a poor fool and show him a working httpd.conf file?  Your kindness 
and generosity will be greatly appreciated!

Right now my frustration level is high enough that if I can't get it 
resolved this weekend, I'm going to seriously consider a fresh install. I 
HATE to do that, cause it blows my server uptimes!

Perry




From noelfitz at redbrick.dcu.ie  Fri Apr  6 16:44:14 2001
From: noelfitz at redbrick.dcu.ie (Noel Fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:44:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Installtion problem
Message-ID: <20010406154414.A9023@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>

Hey all,
I've recently had to reinstall a lot of apps due to a failed disk. One of
these was mailman which has worked fine for ages on the previous installation 
but I can't seem to get it working now (I didn't do the original
install).Here are the details : -

FreeBSD enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #2: Mon Mar  5
20:21:43 GMT 2001     root at enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ENIGMA
i386

is the system I'm running with postfix as the MTA and apache using suEXEC for
cgi's. None of this has changed since the previous install.

I tried installing mailman in the webtree as follows :-

--prefix=/usr/local/web/htdocs/mailman
--with-python=/usr/local/bin/python
--with-mail-gid=65534 (gid of nobody)
--with-cgi-gid=1010 (gid of cgi-scripts)


However when I send mails to a list address or a list owner address nothing
happens. My mail log shows the following 

Apr  6 15:33:53 enigma postfix/local[19401]: D74323261F:
to=<noel-list at redbrick.dcu.ie>, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent
("|/usr/local/web/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper post noel-list")

so I think its being sent?


I also tried this configuration 

--prefix=/usr/local/web/htdcos/mailman
--with-python=/usr/local/bin/python
--with-mail-gid=1004
--with-cgi-gid=1010 (this is correct)


I tried this because if you read the INSTALL file that comes with mailman one
of the common problems is when using postfix and the above is the suggested
solution. 1004 being the gid returned when I followed the instructions in
INSTALL.

However when I use this configuration mails are returned with this error.

<test-list at redbrick.dcu.ie>: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/web/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper post test-list". Command
    output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1004, GOT gid 65534.
    (Reconfigure to take 65534?)



I've tried everything I can think of and basically hit a dead end any help
would be greatly appreciated.Thanks.


Regards,        
Noel.







From doctor at kira.mcc.ac.uk  Fri Apr  6 17:55:30 2001
From: doctor at kira.mcc.ac.uk (Mike Richardson)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:55:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listname changing
Message-ID: <20010406165530.B10802@kira.mcc.ac.uk>

Anyone interested in a script which can change the name of list?
Its shell script which:
Changes the list directory name
Changes the paths in the config.db (using move_list)
Changes the path and filenames of the old list archive
Recreates the archive under the new name (using arch)
Deletes the old archive
Finds umbrella lists with an entry for the old list and changes the entry
Finds and lists with the old list as an 'acceptable alias' and changes the entry. 
(the last two require a couple of python scripts which I'll include.)

It works but its not polished.

Mike
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From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Apr  6 18:17:17 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:17:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web_url_page Invalid Change
Message-ID: <3ACDEC0D.64F8F5F3@isu.edu>

One of the moderator list owners changed the Base URL for Mailman web
interface option to a invalid url address and Host name through the web
interface which of course now will not allow the other option to not be
found on the server and cannot be changed. How do I through the command
line interface change the Base URL for Mailman for this mailing list and
host name back to what it should be. All the other mailing list are
fine. Do have have to use the config_list command. If so what do I do.

I would appreciate greatly a quick response.
--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From barry at digicool.com  Fri Apr  6 18:21:20 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reseting the Digest Volume and Issue Number
References: <E14lNj8-000071-00@mail.python.org>
	<5.0.2.1.0.20010406030423.02739340@travelhacker.com>
Message-ID: <15053.60672.76572.383584@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TS" == Thomas Speight <Thomas at travelhacker.com> writes:

    TS> Is there a simple way to reset the Volume and Issue Number of
    TS> a Digest without reinstalling Mailman.

You don't need to re-install Mailman, but you would need to study the
bin/withlist script.

I plan on adding somthing to Mailman 2.1 which will make it easier to
increment the volume number and reset the to 1.

-Barry



From rodeored at netstep.net  Fri Apr  6 18:32:29 2001
From: rodeored at netstep.net (Rodeo Red)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:32:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest messages ad infinitum
Message-ID: <3ACDEF9C.CA9AB852@netstep.net>

I'm having a real nightmare with a very long digest message that
originated with a mailman list on my website. 

The list software was installed by the people who run my webserver and I
used it to start an e-mail list. I subscribed myself to the digest
version and it worked fine for about two weeks. Then the adminsistrators
of the web server did some kind of software upgrade and my site was down
for half a day. When it came back up I started getting the same digest
message every minute. 

I unsubscribed myself but that didn't work. So far the techs at the
server have restarted the e-mail program on that server, moved my site
to another server,  and deleted the list from my site, but none of this
has worked. I'm still getting the same digest messages every minute and
this has lasted a week now. 

I don't see how any of these things they have tried would even be
expected to work, since the messages are probably not originating from
the original list anymore. I don't know what the big deal is with
getting these techs to get their machines to stop sending me this
message. Any help would be appreciated- maybe with your help, I could
tell them where to look, and what else to try. 

Here's the headers of the message:

Return-Path: 
                  <mailman at server385.dnslive.net>
         Received: 
                  from server385.dnslive.net (216.74.125.7) by
netstep.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail
                  Server 2.2.2); Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:39:56 -0400
         Received: 
                  from mailman by server385.dnslive.net with local (Exim
3.20 #1) id 14lYLA-0007yW-00 for
                  rodeored at netstep.net; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:40:00 -0400
             From: 
                  Webagr-request at reenie.org
           Subject: 
                  Webagr digest, Vol 1 #13 - 19 msgs
         Reply-To: 
                  Webagr at reenie.org
          X-Mailer: 
                  Mailman v2.0.1
     MIME-version: 
                  1.0
      Content-type: 
                  multipart/mixed;
boundary=127.0.0.1.32002.8380.986058001.329.21305
               To: 
                  Webagr at reenie.org
         Errors-To: 
                  Webagr-admin at reenie.org
      X-BeenThere: 
                  Webagr at reenie.org
 X-Mailman-Version: 
                  2.0.1
       Precedence: 
                  bulk
         List-Help: 
                  <mailto:Webagr-request at reenie.org?subject=help>
          List-Post: 
                  <mailto:Webagr at reenie.org>
     List-Subscribe: 
                 
<http://reenie.org/mailman/listinfo/webagr_reenie.org>,
                  <mailto:Webagr-request at reenie.org?subject=subscribe>
           List-Id: 
                  A web version of alt.gathering.rainbow
<webagr_reenie.org.reenie.org>
   List-Unsubscribe: 
                 
<http://reenie.org/mailman/listinfo/webagr_reenie.org>,
                  <mailto:Webagr-request at reenie.org?subject=unsubscribe>
       List-Archive: 
                  <http://reenie.org/pipermail/webagr_reenie.org/>
       Message-ID: 
                  <E14lYLA-0007yW-00 at server385.dnslive.net>
           Sender: 
                  <mailman at server385.dnslive.net>
             Date: 
                  Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:40:00 -0400
      X-AntiAbuse: 
                  This header was added to track abuse, please include
it with any abuse report
      X-AntiAbuse: 
                  Primary Hostname - server385.dnslive.net
      X-AntiAbuse: 
                  Original Domain - netstep.net
      X-AntiAbuse: 
                  Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32002 503] / [32002 503]
      X-AntiAbuse: 
                  Sender Address Domain - server385.dnslive.net
    X-Mozilla-Status: 
                  8001
   X-Mozilla-Status2: 
                  00000000
          X-UIDL: 
                  ffffee1eb6f393cc



From webmaster at saturn.deanza.fhda.edu  Fri Apr  6 20:05:18 2001
From: webmaster at saturn.deanza.fhda.edu (Jason Wehmhoener)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:05:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail, no errors
Message-ID: <NFBBIAPGGLOHOFNOJJENOEFLCKAA.webmaster@saturn.deanza.fhda.edu>

Hello,

I just installed mailman and it seems to work, the web interface works
great, /var/logs/maillog looks great, /home/mailman/logs/error is empty, I
can see posts in /home/mailman/logs/posts. But no mail is recieved by the
list subscribers!

OS:		Yellow Dog Linux 1.2
Sendmail: 	sendmail-8.9.3-17
Mailman:	Mailman 2.0.3
Python:	Python 1.5.2

Thanks,
Jason




From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Apr  6 20:14:58 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail, no errors
In-Reply-To: <NFBBIAPGGLOHOFNOJJENOEFLCKAA.webmaster@saturn.deanza.fhda.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104061113560.27865-100000@mail.pirk.com>

Type mailq and see if messages are queued up for delivery. If they
are, the problem may be that you have not inserted the crontab entries
for the user mailman.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Jason Wehmhoener wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I just installed mailman and it seems to work, the web interface works
> great, /var/logs/maillog looks great, /home/mailman/logs/error is empty, I
> can see posts in /home/mailman/logs/posts. But no mail is recieved by the
> list subscribers!
> 
> OS:		Yellow Dog Linux 1.2
> Sendmail: 	sendmail-8.9.3-17
> Mailman:	Mailman 2.0.3
> Python:	Python 1.5.2
> 
> Thanks,
> Jason
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From webmaster at saturn.deanza.fhda.edu  Fri Apr  6 20:29:49 2001
From: webmaster at saturn.deanza.fhda.edu (Jason Wehmhoener)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no mail, no errors
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104061113560.27865-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBIAPGGLOHOFNOJJENIEFNCKAA.webmaster@saturn.deanza.fhda.edu>

> Type mailq and see if messages are queued up for delivery. If they
> are, the problem may be that you have not inserted the crontab entries
> for the user mailman.

Here's the mailq output

                Mail Queue (1 request)
--Q-ID-- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------
KAA13743  (no control file)

Here's the output from crontab -l

# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

> > I just installed mailman and it seems to work, the web interface works
> > great, /var/logs/maillog looks great, /home/mailman/logs/error
> is empty, I
> > can see posts in /home/mailman/logs/posts. But no mail is
> recieved by the
> > list subscribers!
> >
> > OS:		Yellow Dog Linux 1.2
> > Sendmail: 	sendmail-8.9.3-17
> > Mailman:	Mailman 2.0.3
> > Python:	Python 1.5.2




From noelfitz at redbrick.dcu.ie  Fri Apr  6 21:23:57 2001
From: noelfitz at redbrick.dcu.ie (Noel Fitzpatrick)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:23:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MMCorruptListDatabaseError:
Message-ID: <20010406202357.A1133@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>

Hi,
I've got this error message.Everything is working fine except for the 
<mailmanurl>/admin and <mailmanurl>/listinfo etc pages. These give the following error

	Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 


The error log is at the end of the mail.It appears to be a 
MMCorruptListDatabaseError ? Can anyone tell me what this
is? What can I do to try and fix it ? I've had to copy over lists and archives
from a old install and replace these folders in a new install if that's of any
relevance.Thanks in advance.

Regards,
	Noel. 




Apr 06 20:07:11 2001 admin(89329):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(89329): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.3 -----]
admin(89329): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(89329): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(89329):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(89329):     main()
admin(89329):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 61, in main
admin(89329):     FormatAdminOverview()
admin(89329):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 160, in
FormatAdminOverview
admin(89329):     l = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
admin(89329):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in
__init__
admin(89329):     self.Load()
admin(89329):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 902, in
Load
admin(89329):     raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
admin(89329): MMCorruptListDatabaseError:
admin(89329): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(89329): sys.version    = 2.0 (#2, Mar  5 2001, 20:33:46)
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
admin(89329): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(89329): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(89329): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(89329): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(89329): sys.platform   = freebsd4
admin(89329): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(89329):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/mailman
admin(89329):   SERVER_ADDR: 136.206.15.5
admin(89329):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(89329):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(89329):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(89329):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
admin(89329):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(89329):   SERVER_NAME: lists.redbrick.dcu.ie
admin(89329):   TZ: Europe/Dublin
admin(89329):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows
NT)
admin(89329):   HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(89329):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin
admin(89329):   REMOTE_ADDR: 136.206.18.62
admin(89329):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(89329):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(89329):   HTTP_HOST: lists.redbrick.dcu.ie
admin(89329):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(89329):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.19 Server at
lists.redbrick.dcu.ie Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(89329):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(89329):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at redbrick.dcu.ie
admin(89329):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) ApacheJServ/1.1.2
mod_ssl/2.8.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6
admin(89329):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
admin(89329):   HTTP_COOKIE:
noel-list:admin=280200000069cdf8cd3a7328000000633366386431303966323163393262336337666136313835356
admin(89329):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(89329):   REMOTE_PORT: 3032



-- 
Noel Fitzpatrick        <noelfitz at redbrick.dcu.ie>
Systems Administrator,RedBrick DCUNS. 
www.redbrick.dcu.ie




From francois.xavier.bodin at winealley.com  Fri Apr  6 23:34:35 2001
From: francois.xavier.bodin at winealley.com (francois.xavier.bodin at winealley.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:34:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Meet us on Wine Alley
Message-ID: <200104062134.XAA08237@www.winealley.com>

Hello!

I found your address on a site about wine and spirits, cigar and good
living and I thought that you would be interested by the services that our
site offers.

Wine Alley is a virtual Club for all those interested in wine in
both a professional and personal capacity.  You too can be among our 7085
members to receive our free weekly bulletin which commits you to nothing but presents an excellent overview of our site.

-> http://www.chez.com/winenews/

We now have more than 4900 members, both amateur and in the trade who use
our site to discuss wine, buy and sell it and tell us about the best
sources.

Club members use the Newsgroup of Wine Alley to exchange information
and experiences.  Only the other day someone asked how much a certain rare
wine was worth, I asked for more information about the grape variety, which
doesn't grow in France.  This week alone there have been more than 1019
questions and replies.

-> http://www.chez.com/winenews/

There are also for sale and wanted ads and a section giving the market
value of wines.

Among the 14 ads placed this week there have been some really good deals
including a magnum of 1945 Pichon Lalande and a 1947 Cheval blanc!
We also provide a particularly useful service with our Wine Pricing Guide
encompassing 4800 different wines and based on auction sales of 150000 lots
sold worldwide.

Let me make it clear - Wine Alley itself does not sell or buy wine:
we simply offer our members the facilities for making their own
arrangements.

-> http://www.chez.com/winenews/

Wine Alley is also a site supplying information in real time,
particularly the latest news from winegrowers and makers via the French
Press Agency (AFP).  We also have a database of more than 21,000 wines with
information supplied directly to the site by winegrower?s co-operatives and
specialist magazines.

I should be delighted if you would come and join us.  At Wine Alley you will find similarly-minded people who just want to share their love of
wine.

Kind regards

Fran?ois Xavier Bodin, Manager of the Online Club
-> http://www.chez.com/winenews/



PS. If you are not interested in my offer, please excuse this letter; I am
sorry to have bothered you.  To prevent further unwanted intrusions please
click on the following link; your email will be automatically removed from
our list.

http://www.winealley.com/wines/desmail.asp?id=mailman-users at python.org&l=uk



From reb at taco.com  Fri Apr  6 23:43:07 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Meet us on Wine Alley
In-Reply-To: <200104062134.XAA08237@www.winealley.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010406174153.029ae008@taco.com>

At 11:34 PM 4/6/2001 +0200, francois.xavier.bodin at winealley.com wrote:
>I found your address on a site about wine and spirits, cigar and good
>living and I thought that you would be interested by the services that our
>site offers.

Whine?

Why yes -- about SPAM on this list (though it has been reduced lately)!

reb




From graham_guttocks at yahoo.co.nz  Sat Apr  7 00:23:37 2001
From: graham_guttocks at yahoo.co.nz (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Guttocks?=)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:23:37 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to rename an existing list?
Message-ID: <20010406222337.36245.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings,

Does anyone know of any easy way to rename an existing Mailman list?
I would like to avoid having to reconfigure the list entirely from 
scratch.

Thanks,
Graham

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From tzafrir at technion.ac.il  Sat Apr  7 01:36:08 2001
From: tzafrir at technion.ac.il (Tzafrir Cohen)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 01:36:08 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages not don't get past wrapper
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21_heb2.09.0104070126160.8428-100000@techunix.technion.ac.il>

Hi

I installed Mailman 2.0.2 on a linux mandrake 7.2 with postfix .

(BTW: I used the RPMs from cooker/contrib . I had to rebuild them, and
also to change the GIDs for cgi to apache and for MAIL to nobody . A small
change to the spec file, just in case someone wants to do that).

The problem is that I can't get messages delivered to my test list.

The alises were set correctly. The mail logs show successful delivery.
But the mailman logs show nothing, not even an error. 

I tried running that command from the alias manually as the user nobody,
and supplying it a message from standard input. I get no echo, and nothing
shows up in the log.

If I give an incorrect list name from nobody`s command-line, I get a line
about that in the mailman error log.

I've seen a couple of similar reports in this list, with no reply.

Any ideas on what I can check next?

Thanks

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:tzafrir at technion.ac.il
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir





From mlew at impaq.com.au  Sun Apr  8 02:53:41 2001
From: mlew at impaq.com.au (Morgan)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:53:41 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HEY
Message-ID: <000801c0bfc6$5bd83620$13ad20cb@oemcomputer>

Hey my names Kenneth. I just wanted to say hi. So how are ya? My email is: the_green_hope at hotmail.com so if u wanna chat feel free to write to me anytime. Well i better get goin now. Don't wanna waste too much of ya time. Well cya!

Kenneth
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From paolo at spiccalunto.com  Sun Apr  8 16:17:42 2001
From: paolo at spiccalunto.com (Paolo Spiccalunto)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 16:17:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DSN
Message-ID: <016601c0c036$bede98c0$0301010a@interservizi.net>

My Mailman mailing list server doesn't work...
well it work but  i can't send messages to the list 'couse it send mail back
to me with this text:

The original message was received at Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:18:37 +0200
from tom [10.1.1.3]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ilpalo"
    (expanded from: <ilpalo at ilpalo.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ilpalo"... Service unavailable

and if I remove "|" symbols it says:

The original message was received at Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:10:45 +0200
from tom [10.1.1.3]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ilpalo"
    (expanded from: <ilpalo at ilpalo.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ilpalo"... Can't create output:
Permission denied

and with preline comand:
The original message was received at Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:23:04 +0200
from tom [10.1.1.3]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ilpalo"
    (expanded from: <ilpalo at ilpalo.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: preline not available for sendmail programs
554 "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ilpalo"... Service unavailable



What to do ?
Plez answer me.





From barry at digicool.com  Sun Apr  8 18:02:36 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:02:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web_url_page Invalid Change
References: <3ACDEC0D.64F8F5F3@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <15056.35740.611745.928696@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KW" == Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> writes:

    KW> One of the moderator list owners changed the Base URL for
    KW> Mailman web interface option to a invalid url address and Host
    KW> name through the web interface which of course now will not
    KW> allow the other option to not be found on the server and
    KW> cannot be changed. How do I through the command line interface
    KW> change the Base URL for Mailman for this mailing list and host
    KW> name back to what it should be. All the other mailing list are
    KW> fine. Do have have to use the config_list command. If so what
    KW> do I do.

You need to use bin/withlist:

% python -i bin/withlist -l mylist
Loading list mylist (locked)
>>> m.web_page_url
'http://www.mydomain.com/mailman-bogus/'
>>> m.web_page_url = 'http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/'
>>> m.Save()
>>> ^D
Unlocking (but not saving) list: mylist
Finalizing

Note that in MM2.1 you won't be able to change web_page_url through
the web -- it's just too dangerous.

-Barry



From tzafrir at technion.ac.il  Sun Apr  8 19:50:15 2001
From: tzafrir at technion.ac.il (Tzafrir Cohen)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:50:15 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages not don't get past wrapper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21_heb2.09.0104070126160.8428-100000@techunix.technion.ac.il>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21_heb2.09.0104081925510.25699-100000@techunix.technion.ac.il>

On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I installed Mailman 2.0.2 on a linux mandrake 7.2 with postfix .

> The problem is that I can't get messages delivered to my test list.
> 
> The alises were set correctly. The mail logs show successful delivery.
> But the mailman logs show nothing, not even an error.
> 
> I tried running that command from the alias manually as the user nobody,
> and supplying it a message from standard input. I get no echo, and nothing
> shows up in the log.
> 
> If I give an incorrect list name from nobody`s command-line, I get a line
> about that in the mailman error log.
> 
> I've seen a couple of similar reports in this list, with no reply.

OK. I used private mail, and here I got a reply:

] Yeah, didn't run crontab as indicated in the instructions.  I got one
] response, rather rude <g>.  Oh well, I guess I learn from my mistakes
] :-) 

If anyone here feels that this question is so dumb that it should not be
answered at all, than it should be added to the FAQ.

As it happens, I verified that the RPM has added cron jobs, so I thought
that I had that covered at install time.

After reading that message I re-checked it, and it seems that the RPM has
set the crontab file with an incorrect format (they lack the 'username'
field), and indeed those cron jobs has not appeared in the cron logs.

For the record:

instead of:
* * * * * /usr/bin/python ...

You should have:
* * * * * mailman /usr/bin/python ...

(for the user mailman) if you're using a /etc/cron.d file. It seems that
this fact is not listed in the crontab(5) man page of Mandrake, and only
hinted in the crontab(8) page.

Hopefully the rpm maintainer will fix that...

So things seem to work pretty well. No I'm left with some lesser
questions:

* How do I make pipermail archive messages of, say, iso-8859-8-i charset
not as quoted-printable?

* Is there any way for a moderator to approve messages by mail? I hate web
authentication, and I consider (at least in my local settings) email-based
authentication to be more secure and easier to use.

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:tzafrir at technion.ac.il
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir





From agils at olanet.net  Sun Apr  8 23:59:44 2001
From: agils at olanet.net (agils)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:59:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HEY
References: <000801c0bfc6$5bd83620$13ad20cb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <004101c0c077$672cbbc0$4add96d5@AntonioGil>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Morgan 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 2:53 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] HEY


  Hey my names Kenneth. I just wanted to say hi. So how are ya? My email is: the_green_hope at hotmail.com so if u wanna chat feel free to write to me anytime. Well i better get goin now. Don't wanna waste too much of ya time. Well cya!

  Kenneth
  Hey Kenneth,
     Thanks for your e-mail adress. I still have to learn almost everything, could you teach me something every
  day? I do not know weather is this your job.
  As you see, I?m a beat lost.
  Thanks for help
  Antonio
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From john at serion.co.nz  Mon Apr  9 04:18:29 2001
From: john at serion.co.nz (John Vorstermans)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:18:29 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List archive passwords problem
Message-ID: <0104091418290J.01273@inspiron.serion.co.nz>

Hi.

Users having problem access the list archives after list has been moved.  
When they try they get this message:

=========================================================
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this
problem.  Printing of traceback and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
Mailman error logs.
=========================================================

A copy of the error.log is at the bottom of the message

When the user goes has the password emailed to themseves to make sure they 
are using the correct password then it varifies that the password they are 
using is correct.

I have just moved the mailling lists from a BDSI 4.1 box to a Debian 	
potatoe dist.  Everything else is working just fine.

If anyone can suggest anything then I would be most appreciative.

Here is the error log section:
Apr 09 14:13:43 2001 admin(22900): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(22900): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.3 -----]
admin(22900): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(22900): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(22900):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in 
run_main
admin(22900):     main()
admin(22900):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line 
157, in main
admin(22900):     cookie='archive')
admin(22900):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 
62, in WebAuthenticate
admin(22900):     self.ConfirmUserPassword(user, password)
admin(22900):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 
137, in ConfirmUserPassword
admin(22900):     if self.ValidAdminPassword(pw):
admin(22900):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 
47, in ValidAdminPassword
admin(22900):     return type(pw) == StringType and \
admin(22900): TypeError: argument 2: expected string without null bytes, 
string found
admin(22900): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(22900): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#0, Apr  3 2000, 14:46:48)  [GCC 
2.95.2 20000313 (Debian GNU/Linux)]
admin(22900): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(22900): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(22900): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(22900): sys.path       = /usr
admin(22900): sys.platform   = linux2
admin(22900): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(22900):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/isocnz.org.nz/html
admin(22900):   SERVER_ADDR: 203.96.59.15
admin(22900):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(22900):   REMOTE_HOST: inspiron
admin(22900):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(22900):   PATH_TRANSLATED: 
/var/www/isocnz.org.nz/html/isocnz-council-discuss/
admin(22900):   REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.1.12
admin(22900):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) Debian/GNU
admin(22900):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(22900):   HTTP_COOKIE: 
test-l:admin=2802000000690514d1....................
admin(22900):   UNIQUE_ID: OtEa18CoAQEAAFRINpg
admin(22900):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(22900):   REMOTE_PORT: 33552
admin(22900):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(22900):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(22900):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 
i686)
admin(22900):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(22900):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, 
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(22900):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/private/isocnz-council-discuss/
admin(22900):   QUERY_STRING: 
admin(22900):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(22900):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 46
admin(22900):   HTTP_HOST: listserver.isocnz.org.nz
admin(22900):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(22900):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.14 Server at 
www.isocnz.org.nz Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(22900):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/private
admin(22900):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmistress at isocnz.org.nz
admin(22900):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/private
admin(22900):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
admin(22900):   PATH_INFO: /isocnz-council-discuss/
admin(22900):   HTTP_REFERER: 
http://listserver.isocnz.org.nz/mailman/private/isocnz-council-discuss/
admin(22900):   SERVER_NAME: www.isocnz.org.nz



-- 
John Vorstermans                                    ||   john at serion.co.nz
Serion E-Commerce Solutions                   ||   Ph (021) 432-987
New Zealand



From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Mon Apr  9 08:47:25 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:47:25 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to rename an existing list?
In-Reply-To: <20010406222337.36245.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104090846290.18579-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Please have a look at the post from Mike Richardson, last Friday.

Phil.

On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, [iso-8859-1] Graham Guttocks wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Does anyone know of any easy way to rename an existing Mailman list?
> I would like to avoid having to reconfigure the list entirely from
> scratch.
>
> Thanks,
> Graham
>
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From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Mon Apr  9 18:53:55 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:53:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] . being left out of address
Message-ID: <000e01c0c115$aafcc4a0$6faec6a7@reg10misgy>

I have a mailman list where messages I send to the list containing my address have the . stripped from the text.  

For example, when I put glennette at premiumwebdesign.com the message comes through without the . showing. It shows glennette at premiumwebdesigncom  Is it because the list is hosted on premiumwebdesign.com???

When I hold my cursor over it, it shows the . but the text doesn't and it looks really odd.

I'm on digest, please send replies to me at the address above (the one with the .)  :o)

HUGS
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From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Mon Apr  9 19:26:48 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 09 Apr 2001 13:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another passwordless unsubscribe script
Message-ID: <986837209.11419.12.camel@kneel>

I tested out bob's Auto-Unsubscribe script
(http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm). 
I wasnt really too happy with the fact that it asked for the entire site
password because when a user unsubscribes, an email gets sent to the
site admin confirming that the action was completed.  This email
contains the site password.  I could have set up a separate script for
each list but that is too much work.  The script I wrote calls the
remove_member's program.  

Bob's script did not get the email address in the proper way in my
opinion.  I believe I got around this by getting the return-to address.

The script below also contains simple logic to make sure that the email
address was actually removed, and not simply attempted to be removed.

I included the script below so feel free to use it however you like.

I am using a beta of the evolution PIM so please be aware that this may
not word-wrap correctly.

--neil



#!/bin/bash
###################################################################
# Script for passwordless Mailman list unsubscription via email   #
###################################################################
#Neil Cooler <ncooler at nandomedia.com>                             #
###################################################################
#Last revised: 04/09/01                                           #
###################################################################
# Call from your /etc/aliases file like:                          #
# <listname>-unsubscribe: /home/mailman/unsub <listname) <domain> #
###################################################################

#gets $1 and $2 from the commandline input and adds those values to the
listname and domain vars.
listname=$1
domain=$2

#reads the second line of the email
read a2 ;

#Strips the email address from the second line and puts it in the
variable 'addr'
addr="`echo $a2 | awk '{print $2}'`" ;   

#Attempts to remove the user.  IF it does not succeed, it sends a
message to the user
status=`/home/mailman/bin/remove_members newtest $addr`
if [ -n "$status" ] 
then 
echo "From: $listname-admin@$domain" > /tmp/$addr
echo "To: $addr" >> /tmp/$addr
echo "Subject: $listname Unsubscription Confirmation" >> /tmp/$addr
echo "" >> /tmp/$addr
echo "There was an error in your attempt to unsusbscribe from the
$listname mailinglist." >> /tmp/$addr
echo "It appears that the address you tried to unsubscribe from, $addr
is not subscribed." >> /tmp/$addr
echo "Please contact $listname@$domain if you have any questions." >>
/tmp/$addr
/usr/lib/sendmail -f $listname-admin@$domain $addr < /tmp/$addr
rm -f /tmp/addr

#If the request works, it lets the user know he is unsubscribed.
else
echo "From: $listname-admin@$domain" > /tmp/$addr
echo "To: $addr" >> /tmp/$addr
echo "Subject: $listname Unsubscription Confirmation" >> /tmp/$addr
echo "" >> /tmp/$addr
echo "This message was generated to confirm your unsubscription from" >>
/tmp/$addr
echo "$listname@$domain.  You should no longer recieve any messages
from" >> /tmp/$addr
echo "this list.  If you change your mind, simply visit the list's" >>
/tmp/$addr
echo "Webpage at http://$domain/mailman/listinfo/$listname and subscribe
again.  If you have" >> /tmp/$addr
echo "any further questions, please email the admin at
$listname-admin@$domain.  " >> /tmp/$addr
echo "Thank You," >> /tmp/$addr
echo "List Admin" >> /tmp/$addr

/usr/lib/sendmail -f $listname-admin@$domain $addr < /tmp/$addr
rm -f /tmp/$addr
fi




From noel at koethe.net  Mon Apr  9 20:05:22 2001
From: noel at koethe.net (Noel Koethe)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:05:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and port of newsserver
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104092003530.8577-100000@data.wipol.uni-bonn.de>

Hello,

I have to switch the newsserverport from the standard 119 to 1119
I didn't find anything in mailman where I can change the portnumber for
the mail2news gateway.

Can you give me a hint?

Thank you.

-- 
Noch einen schoenen Tag

	Noel




From jovan.j at c2i.net  Mon Apr  2 18:11:56 2001
From: jovan.j at c2i.net (JOVAN JEREMIC)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:11:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] liv i andre galakser/planeter
Message-ID: <000201c0c126$6dd0eaa0$6425d8c1@jovan>

Hvilke muligheter finnes det for at mennesker kan utvandre til andre planeter/galakser?
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From jovan.j at c2i.net  Mon Apr  2 18:18:25 2001
From: jovan.j at c2i.net (JOVAN JEREMIC)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:18:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?liv_p=E5_andre_planeter?=
Message-ID: <000301c0c126$6f9493a0$6425d8c1@jovan>

hva vil plassering i forhold til solen og planetenes atmosf?re bety for muligheten for ? finne liv?
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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Mon Apr  9 22:02:35 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:02:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and port of newsserver
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104092003530.8577-100000@data.wipol.uni-bonn.de>
Message-ID: <3AD2155B.786814E0@west.sun.com>

There isn't one, but it looks to me like you can add a "port=1119" to
the couple of places that do "nntplib.NNTP()" calls.

Or, better yet, add something like

NNTP_PORT_NUM = 1119

to mm_cfg.py, and then add "port=mm_cfg.NNTP_PORT_NUM" to those calls
instead.



Noel Koethe wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have to switch the newsserverport from the standard 119 to 1119
> I didn't find anything in mailman where I can change the portnumber for
> the mail2news gateway.
> 
> Can you give me a hint?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Noch einen schoenen Tag
> 
>         Noel
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From agils at olanet.net  Mon Apr  9 23:36:00 2001
From: agils at olanet.net (agils)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:36:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] submission
Message-ID: <004601c0c13d$14868560$c8de96d5@AntonioGil>

I accept. 
Thank you
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From jessek at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 10 05:35:24 2001
From: jessek at speakeasy.org (Jesse Kornblum)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:35:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I make a list 'moderator post only'
Message-ID: <3AD27F7C.4643D035@speakeasy.org>

I'm trying to set up an announcements list, similar to mailman-announce in
that I should be the only person posting to the list. Is there a way to do
without having to manually reject every post by every other person? (e.g.
An option to 'restrict posts to list owner'?)

--
- Jesse

  People protest against fur instead of leather because
  it's safer to dump paint on rich women than bikers.





From mtwalter at lotterysoftware.net  Tue Apr 10 07:17:21 2001
From: mtwalter at lotterysoftware.net (mtwalter)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: read only list? Mailman... new user
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010410003148.00b569b0@lotterysoftware.net>

Mailman,

It seems the host, Canaca.com, for our associations (Lancaster [PA] 
Baseball and Softball Association) web site has changed a raft of "things" 
we use on our site, today - an improvement they say.

We had a mailing list. We were just starting to use it and had finished 
designing pages for folks to subcribe and unsubscribe from our lists with, 
last week. Today we find that our list was removed in favor of your list.

While I see a ton of work in Mailman, I do not see much in the way of 
information on how to make use of it. For all I know it may not be 
installed properly as no one seems able to make it work (subscribe and 
unsubscribe) so far (at Canaca.com).

I want a list that I can send mail to. Not one that anyone in the list can 
mail to. I want NO options for the users, no web pages, nothing but a way 
folks can subscribe and unsubscribe to our list, a list that only one 
person can send mail to. I suspect you call this a read only list. You have 
one. I see no options to select the KIND of list one wants, anywhere.

I don't want the email the list sends plastered with email and web 
addresses where folks can mail to and go to, to do anything with the list 
or list members or member options. It's just a news list. Here's the news. 
Perhaps another list will need all those features, not this one.

Our previous list manager allowed a very simple list, you subscribed, 
unsubscribed, and emailed (from one address) to it.

Can I do this with Mailman? How can I subscribe from a form that uses 
cgi-email to mail the results of the form, including email address and 
subject?

Congrats on all the features of Mailman, I am sure that for someone wanting 
to do interactive mailing etc. that yours is the top dog, but for now 
simple is what I had and need.

We have a newsletter going out in a few days that advertises our new 
website to our members, and part of that was for the mailing list we had. 
How can I get this list up and working to do what I want in a few days? Is 
it possible.

I am stuck and asking for a helping hand. Please visit www.mylbsa.com and 
you'll see it is non-profit, that we all do the work of making it run as 
non-paid board members, coaches, parents and ball players (aged 5-18). Help.

If you send me techno talk about how to use the list similar to the text in 
front of the MANY options it'll be of no use to me. I am a software 
engineer, but write for windows and before for dos, never for unix. I like 
manuals not help files. I'm 50. I'd rather sit in a comfortable chair and 
read instructions instead of squinting at the screen of my Dell, trying to 
flip web or help pages back and forth to make some sense of how to do a 
thing - while my legs cramp up.

For example:

1. The public name of this list (make case-changes only) (from the general 
options page of Mailman) This seems simple enough but...

Our lists name is mylbsanews. I've changed it to MyLBSAnews but that 
doesn't work (change) when I save my changes. I had first named it (like 
our old list) lbsa-news which didn't work at all as it didn't "like" the 
hyphen or so the Canaca.com tech implied. The list corrupted after that and 
had to be deleted and created again.

2. Restrict posting privilege to list members?
                          (member_posting_only)
This seems to imply posting can be done by only list members (which I don't 
want as I want ONE person only to be able to post) until you read this..

Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without
     implicit approval requirement. (See "Restrict ... to list members"
       for whether or not this is in addition to allowing posting by list
                                      members

WHAT?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Michael T. Walter (717) 299-4646 12 noon to 9pm EST
President, Walter Computer Services
President, Absolutely Lottery Software Stores ~ www.lotterysoftware.com
and
Board member, VP of fall ball and Webmaster for the Lancaster Baseball and 
Softball Association (serving hundreds of kids yearly). www.mylbsa.com

You can create the most helpful thing ever known to man but if I can't 
understand how to use it the effort is wasted on me and millions like me or 
less informed than me. No one is as informed as you - the creator. I tell 
this to GOD in my prayers all the time.



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From info at metroradius.net  Tue Apr 10 02:15:53 2001
From: info at metroradius.net (info at metroradius.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:15:53
Subject: [Mailman-Users] metroradius.net
Message-ID: PM20002:15:53 AM

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From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Apr 10 16:14:36 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:14:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error
Message-ID: <3AD3154C.348DC2DD@isu.edu>

I keep getting this error message sent to me every minute. What is
wrong. Nothing has changed on our system. I am using RED HAT 7.0 with
Mailman 2.0.3 with the right python version
No mail is being sent, does someone have a solution?

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
    import socket
ImportError: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0: undefined symbol: i2d_X509_EXTENS

The web page will not come up it gives me this message too.Bug in
Mailman version 2.0.3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has
been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information
in the Mailman error logs.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
    import socket
ImportError: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0: undefined symbol: i2d_X509_EXTENS
--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From cht at ccil.org  Tue Apr 10 17:29:35 2001
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:29:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering out unsubscribe requests
In-Reply-To: <3AD3154C.348DC2DD@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104101127250.23121-100000@mercury.ccil.org>

Hi,


Recently we faced the problem of people posting removal and unsubscribe
requests to the list.  As a result in boxes were jammed with repeated
unsubscribe requests as well as repeated instructions on the proper way to
unsubscribe.  The list is now moderated.  Is there a way to filter out
these requests when posted to the list and send an auto responder message?


Del




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Tue Apr 10 18:10:01 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I make a list 'moderator post only'
In-Reply-To: <3AD27F7C.4643D035@speakeasy.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010410085311.02ca79b0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 08:35 PM 4/9/01, Jesse Kornblum wrote:
 >
 >I'm trying to set up an announcements list, similar to mailman-announce in
 >that I should be the only person posting to the list. Is there a way to do
 >without having to manually reject every post by every other person? (e.g.
 >An option to 'restrict posts to list owner'?)

Someone else previously posted this answer (when this same question was 
asked a few days ago):

	Just limit the postings to key e-mails, and not subscribers
	in the options pages. The restricted posting access will
	make it "announce only."

This seems to be a Frequently Asked Question.  Is there a FAQ for this 
list?  The Mailman FAQs at lists.org do not cover the questions that seem 
to be frequently asked on this list.  This also is a frequent reason people 
setup mailing lists.  Why isn't this better covered in the software 
documentation?  (Why isn't the software's documentation available anywhere 
online????  I can't find it at lists.org, I'm told that it's in the readme 
files, so you can't read the documentation until AFTER you download and 
unpack the source code!)  Can the next software release include a blurb 
that is specifically about setting up "announcement only" lists?  I'd be 
happy to do the writing if I could be assured it gets added to the 
documentation.

jc




From lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu  Tue Apr 10 21:42:08 2001
From: lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu (Len Hatfield)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can one trace an email note?
Message-ID: <200104101942.f3AJg8e12443@wiz.cath.vt.edu>

Hi,

I've a list with well over a hundred subscribers.  One or more
of these folks have set up an automatic forward from their
primary address (the one by which they are subscribed to my list) 
to a secondary address.

That would all be fine and well, except that the secondary
address is either wrong or no longer extant, which naturally
causes the system to return a bounce notice telling me as much.

But because the user is NOT subscribed to my list via the
secondary address, and I have no way of knowing which of the 100
subscribers has set up the bogus forwarding, which of these is
the primary address in this little routing dilmma. 

As a result of this, I'm stuck with the error traffic.

Is there any way to trace the path of an email note?  I've
examined the mail headers on the error traffic and bounced notes
very carefully, but they don't contain references to this broken
secondary address.

Any suggestions would be wondrous...

--
				...Len Hatfield
				   CATH/WIZ List Mgr.
				   (lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu)



From alex at phred.org  Tue Apr 10 23:43:39 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can one trace an email note?
In-Reply-To: <200104101942.f3AJg8e12443@wiz.cath.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <20010410144223.T9519-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Len Hatfield wrote:
> But because the user is NOT subscribed to my list via the
> secondary address, and I have no way of knowing which of the 100
> subscribers has set up the bogus forwarding, which of these is
> the primary address in this little routing dilmma.

Wait until the 1st of the month when the per-user reminder messages
are sent out.  The body of this message will contain the email
address, and it should be included in the NDR.

I mostly ignore NDRs personally, except for the ones sent with
monthly reminders.  Those ones get attention, just for this
reason.

alex




From dave at geol.ucsb.edu  Tue Apr 10 23:48:22 2001
From: dave at geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Robbins)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Error decoding authorization cookie."
Message-ID: <200104102148.OAA08359@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>

When I go to http://HOSTNAME/mailman/admindb/LISTNAME,
to approve a post from an unapproved poster,
I get the following error message:

   "Error decoding authorization cookie."

Unfortunately, the error prevents the post from going out.
I searched the web as well as my mailbox for this list and
didn't find anything related to this error.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dave Robbins

--
Mailman 1.1, Apache 1.3.14, Solaris 2.7



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 11 03:08:22 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:08:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can one trace an email note? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Len Hatfield <lhat@wiz.cath.vt.edu> 
   of "Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:42:08 EDT." <200104101942.f3AJg8e12443@wiz.cath.vt.edu> 
References: <200104101942.f3AJg8e12443@wiz.cath.vt.edu> 
Message-ID: <14924.986951302@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) 
Len Hatfield <lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu> wrote:

> But because the user is NOT subscribed to my list via the
> secondary address, and I have no way of knowing which of the 100
> subscribers has set up the bogus forwarding, which of these is the
> primary address in this little routing dilmma.

Do a password reminder message and track which ones of those (which
contain the subscribed address) bounce.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From dan at tangledhelix.com  Wed Apr 11 09:30:11 2001
From: dan at tangledhelix.com (Dan Lowe)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 03:30:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating user flags from v1.1 to 2.x?
Message-ID: <20010411033011.Q25251@tangledhelix.com>

I have a system running Mailman 1.1, and another system running 2.0.3.
The latter system will be replacing the former.

In any case, I have a need to move the existing lists from one system to
the other, which is easy enough given that there are only two lists to be
moved.  However, I need to cut over the subscriber lists as well, and
preserve all of the flags each subscriber has set.  Since these lists are
each over 5000 users, doing it by hand is daunting, and list_members /
add_members won't set the flags, just add the addresses.

I had a thought that config_list might accomplish this when combined with
list_members / add_members, however 1.1 doesn't seem to have a config_list.

I have a recollection of people using withlist to do strange things like
this, but my copy of withlist apparently has an error in it (i.e. even
"withlist -h" errors out).

root at mail# ./withlist -h
./withlist: 121: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution

Is what I'm looking to do possible or will we have to do this by hand?

TIA,
 -dan

-- 
Copying extensively from one source is plagiarism; copying extensively from
several is research.



From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Wed Apr 11 10:55:11 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:55:11 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can one trace an email note?
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104111053370.18579-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, alex wetmore wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Len Hatfield wrote:
> > But because the user is NOT subscribed to my list via the
> > secondary address, and I have no way of knowing which of the 100
> > subscribers has set up the bogus forwarding, which of these is
> > the primary address in this little routing dilmma.
>
> Wait until the 1st of the month when the per-user reminder messages
> are sent out.  The body of this message will contain the email
> address, and it should be included in the NDR.
>
With a similar idea : you can get the list of subscribers and write a
 short script to send each of them an email with subject
 "test of address $subscriber" ... and a short message explaining to your
 subscribers the problem (and asking them to check their forwardings).

Those which have bad forwarding(s) will come back to you with the address
 in the subject ...

Other idea : is there a way to force this per-user reminder message ?
 (to avoid waiting the end of the month)

Phil.





From mpm at norwottuck.com  Wed Apr 11 14:47:35 2001
From: mpm at norwottuck.com (Michelle Murrain)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:47:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim
Message-ID: <01041108473506.01625@chicago.murrain.net>

Hi folks,

I'm installing mailman (from tarball) on a debian woody system running exim. 
I'm running into the "mail-gid" problem - exim complains that "Neither the 
system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local 
delivery of..." 

I'm not a total exim newbie - I've mostly used sendmail. What gid 
should I use for this setup? Besides knowing that exim won't let you use 
root, there's no guidance I can find for the group to use. 

TIA,

Michelle
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From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Wed Apr 11 15:14:38 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:14:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michelle Murrain <mpm@norwottuck.com> 
   of "Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:47:35 EDT." <01041108473506.01625@chicago.murrain.net> 
Message-ID: <E14nKSE-0003qA-00@rioja.localnet>

mpm at norwottuck.com said:
> I'm installing mailman (from tarball) on a debian woody system running
> exim.  I'm running into the "mail-gid" problem - exim complains that
> "Neither the  system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport
> set a uid for local  delivery of..." 

> I'm not a total exim newbie - I've mostly used sendmail. What gid
> should I use for this setup? Besides knowing that exim won't let you
> use  root, there's no guidance I can find for the group to use.  

Its the gid you specified on the ./configure line - ie if you did
 ./configure  --with-mail-gid=exim --with-cgi-gid=www

then the gid you want is "exim"

That then needs attaching to the aliases director, or alternative skip 
that stuff and go to
	http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

	Nigel.

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From jerrya at jerrya.net  Wed Apr 11 15:34:28 2001
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:34:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can one trace an email note?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104111053370.18579-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10104110833310.10475-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Philippe Rodriguez wrote:

> Other idea : is there a way to force this per-user reminder message ?
>  (to avoid waiting the end of the month)

Check in the crontab, there is an entry like this:

# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds


There's your command.

-- 
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From Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE  Wed Apr 11 18:17:47 2001
From: Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE (Florian Weimer)
Date: 11 Apr 2001 18:17:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender: header considered harmful (sort of)
Message-ID: <tg66gbwgus.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>

Is it possible to remove the sender header from answers to
administrative requests sent out by Mailman?

There's some broken software out there which uses a Sender: header for
replies if it's present, and this software is widely used by some
audiences. :-/

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From anna at water.ca.gov  Wed Apr 11 19:02:11 2001
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:02:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I make a list 'moderator post only'
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010411100211.0096fdf0@cdecware>

I also am interested in setting up my list as a 'moderator post only' list.
The option mentioned by Jesse doesn't seem to exist in Mailman 1.1

Am I missing something or is there a way to do this in Mailman 1.1?  (I can
restrict to members only but not to key email addresses under Privacy
Options).

Anna



Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010410085311.02ca79b0 at pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:10:01 -0700
To: jessek at alum.mit.edu, mailman-users at python.org
From: JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I make a list 'moderator post only'
In-Reply-To: <3AD27F7C.4643D035 at speakeasy.org>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

On 08:35 PM 4/9/01, Jesse Kornblum wrote:
 >
 >I'm trying to set up an announcements list, similar to mailman-announce in
 >that I should be the only person posting to the list. Is there a way to do
 >without having to manually reject every post by every other person? (e.g.
 >An option to 'restrict posts to list owner'?)

Someone else previously posted this answer (when this same question was 
asked a few days ago):

	Just limit the postings to key e-mails, and not subscribers
	in the options pages. The restricted posting access will
	make it "announce only."

This seems to be a Frequently Asked Question.  Is there a FAQ for this 
list?  The Mailman FAQs at lists.org do not cover the questions that seem 
to be frequently asked on this list.  This also is a frequent reason people 
setup mailing lists.  Why isn't this better covered in the software 
documentation?  (Why isn't the software's documentation available anywhere 
online????  I can't find it at lists.org, I'm told that it's in the readme 
files, so you can't read the documentation until AFTER you download and 
unpack the source code!)  Can the next software release include a blurb 
that is specifically about setting up "announcement only" lists?  I'd be 
happy to do the writing if I could be assured it gets added to the 
documentation.

jc


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California Data Exchange Center	




From michael at spconnect.com  Wed Apr 11 23:48:13 2001
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain only lists
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104111447170.4096-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

I need to make certain lists accept only certain domains. Any suggestions
are apprecitated.




From fil at rezo.net  Wed Apr 11 23:53:06 2001
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:53:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain only lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104111447170.4096-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>; from michael@spconnect.com on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:48:13PM -0700
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104111447170.4096-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <20010411235306.B18285@orwell.bok.net>

@ Michael Ghens (michael at spconnect.com) :
> I need to make certain lists accept only certain domains. Any suggestions
> are apprecitated.

Just have your MTA accept these addresses only for the specified domain
(with postfix you would use 'virtual' : www.postfix.org/virtual.5.html )

-- Fil




From skdjfh at sdifnvid.com  Thu Apr 12 03:00:42 2001
From: skdjfh at sdifnvid.com (skdjfh at sdifnvid.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:00:42 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200104112301521144@nostromo>


		 		




From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Thu Apr 12 02:10:31 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:10:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP NEEDED
Message-ID: <009001c0c2e4$fcddcbe0$1663d6d1@glennettehome>

Have you ever known Mailman to send the same message over and over and
over???  I sent a message to one of my lists at 1:45 this afternoon and it
has sent the SAME message out ONCE EVERY MINUTE since then!!!  It's doing
this with two messages that I sent within a minute or two of each other.

The technicians are supposedly looking at this but there are about 300
people on the list that are getting the message over and over so I
desperately need to stop this.  It may be mailman or the mail server, we're
still trying to determine which.

I'm on digest, please email me at Glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
HUGS
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From walter at morhall.fsnet.co.uk  Thu Apr 12 02:09:57 2001
From: walter at morhall.fsnet.co.uk (Walter Morhall)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:09:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Morhall
Message-ID: <000a01c0c2e4$eb9f6dc0$b636883e@n6x3y4>

Hi
 what is the connection to Morhall

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From darrylc at riposte.org  Thu Apr 12 02:17:43 2001
From: darrylc at riposte.org (darrylc)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:17:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List with Virtual hosts
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104120014120.27732-100000@fwee.org>


I would like my email notifications to reflect the virtual host that the
lists are set up for. Currently, when I create a list the list admin gets
an email telling him/her to go to real host to login in to the
configuration pages. This won't work since the I have the ScriptAliases
pointing to the virtual host names. Is there a way around this?

-D




From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Thu Apr 12 03:21:31 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - receiving list message once per minute!
Message-ID: <00e401c0c2ee$e7cf4760$1663d6d1@glennettehome>

Have you ever known Mailman to send the same message over and over and
over??? I sent a message to one of my lists at 1:45 this afternoon and it
has sent the SAME message out ONCE EVERY MINUTE since then!!!

It's doing this with two messages that I sent within a minute or two of each
other.
The technicians are supposedly looking at this but there are about 300
people on the list that are getting the message over and over so I
desperately need to stop this. It may be mailman or the mail server, we're
still trying to determine which.

I'm on digest, please email me at Glennette at premiumwebdesign.com

HUGS
Glennette /\O/\

P.S. Entrust your website where you can benefit from quality, professional,
reliable, and expedient website services and hosting, all under one roof!!!
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Apr 12 03:23:28 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:23:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple OUTGOING servers
Message-ID: <3AD50390.5786D202@pcraft.com>

    Can mailman (somehow) make use of multiple OUTGOING mail servers?
Mailman is currently installed on one server, and I'd like to distribute
the mail load across two, or more mail servers.  Ideas anyone?

    AMK4

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From mdiaz at UTB1.UTB.EDU  Thu Apr 12 03:42:38 2001
From: mdiaz at UTB1.UTB.EDU (Mario Diaz)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:42:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman install problems
Message-ID: <3AD5080E.73C3C192@utb1.utb.edu>

Hi ,
I'm trying to install mailman in an SGI running IRIX6.5 with sendmail and python
2.0.
Configuring and installing seems to go without problems.
I check permissions in /home/mailman and no errors are reported.
Start cron and then create a list and keep getting error reports from cron sent
to my email address.
I change the configuration to include several reasonable gids (i.e. the first
time I installed I had SYSLOG reports regarding gid
and use them to change it with a new installation. But I keep getting similar
cron errors (the only difference is that now there no error
reports in SYSLOG).
Checking the logs/error file in mailman this is what I have:

Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900): Traceback (most recent call last):
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news",
line 222, in ?
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      main()
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news",
line 203, in main
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      process_lists(lock)
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news",
line 140, in process_lists
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      mlist = MailList.MailList(listname,
lock=0)
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      self.Load()
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      fp = open(dbfile)
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

ANy clues?
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
mario

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Apr 12 03:56:46 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (chuq von rospach)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:56:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple OUTGOING servers
In-Reply-To: <3AD50390.5786D202@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <200104120155.f3C1tPY25104@lists.apple.com>

On Wednesday, April 11, 2001, at 06:23  PM, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>
>     Can mailman (somehow) make use of multiple OUTGOING mail servers?
> Mailman is currently installed on one server, and I'd like to distribute
> the mail load across two, or more mail servers.  Ideas anyone?
>

Easiest way is to use DNS to create a round-robin of the outgoing 
servers, and then have Mailman server to that dns name.


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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr 12 04:39:16 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:39:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple OUTGOING servers 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley@pcraft.com> 
   of "Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:23:28 MDT." <3AD50390.5786D202@pcraft.com> 
References: <3AD50390.5786D202@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <18401.987043156@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:23:28 -0600 
Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:

> Can mailman (somehow) make use of multiple OUTGOING mail servers?
> Mailman is currently installed on one server, and I'd like to
> distribute the mail load across two, or more mail servers.  Ideas
> anyone?

Its easier to just configure one of the mail servers to hand off to
the second server.  A typical way to do this would be to delegate
certain TLDs (eg .net, org, etc) to one of the boxes and then have
the other handle everything else.

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From dennis at pipper.net  Thu Apr 12 05:17:53 2001
From: dennis at pipper.net (Dennis)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:17:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Unknown error
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010411231717.00a1c420@netmail.home.com>

Just set up mailman (current version) and all went well, until I created 
the first user account.
 From that user account, the confirmation email won't go through, says 
error 550, User test-request at myserveraddress.com unknown.
I'm running on RH Linux version 6.0, with kernel 2.2.5-15
Thanks for any help.
Dennis 




From todd at connactivity.connactivity.com  Thu Apr 12 05:35:21 2001
From: todd at connactivity.connactivity.com (Todd Joseph)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:35:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent: Duplicates with 2.0 final
Message-ID: <200104120335.f3C3ZLr20523@connactivity.connactivity.com>

Sorry for sending this to developers and users.  I'm not sure which
group is more appropriate.  

I've been using 2.0 final for a couple of months now without a
problem.  I've got roughly 60,000 people on my mailing list and I'm
using sendmail as the MTA on RH6.2.  The list is moderated and there
is only 1-2 messages a month.  The last message sent to the list was
sent to some subscribers twice.  I had seen the problem before with
2.0rc1.  From the release notes for 2.0rc2, that is documented as
fixed (bug #117015) (see below).  Anyone know why I would see it
happen again in 2.0 Final?  

Here's what I've done:

(1) Scanned the Archives.  Found a post to mailman-users with no reply
that seems related.  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-April/010625.html

(2) Looked through Syslog logs for System and Sendmail errors.
Nothing unusual reported.

(3) Looked through the Mailman logs dir (/home/mailman/logs).  Nothing
out of the orinary except in the errors file (see below).  What's
strange about this is the duplicate message had already been sent by
this time (the few duplicates checked showed 1st delivery at ~8PM
April 6 and subsequent delivery at ~2:30AM April 7 -- all times synced
with NTP on systems tested).

Excerpt from /home/mailman/logs/errors:

Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818): Traceback (innermost last):
Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 278, in ?
Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):      kids = main(lock)
Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 256, in main
Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):      dequeue(root)
Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 184, in dequeue
Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):      os.unlink(root + '.db')
Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/qfiles/c879896f57e6392365c42f995f13c09de378bbcd.db' 

(cut-n-paste for 2.0rc2 release notes)...

>SourceForge bugs fixed: 116615 (README.BSD update), 117015 (duplicate
>messages on moderated posts), 117548 (exception in HyperArch.py),
>117682 (typos), 121185 (vsnprintf signature), 121591 and 122017 (bogus
>link after web unsubscribe), 121811 (`subscribe' in Subject: doesn't
>get archived)

Help...



From jamey at infr.com  Thu Apr 12 06:36:13 2001
From: jamey at infr.com (Jamey)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:36:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another passwordless unsubscribe script
In-Reply-To: <F83755EB1EEFD411BC4700508BB81C32AC0BE2@PERSNT1>
Message-ID: <B6FAA8FD.4918%jamey@infr.com>

I can't seem to get this one to work. I have the script installed and I am
getting NO error messages and a confirmation email address telling me I have
been removed, but when I look at the member list my address is still there.

It is as if the "status=`/home/mailman/bin/remove_members newtest $addr`"
part is not working.

I noticed a few typos in the script and fixed those like "rm -f /tmp/addr"
should be "rm -f /tmp/$addr" unfortunately it still does not work.

Any suggestions?

jamey
-- 


> From: "Sintz, James" <jsintz at opers.org>
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:10:40 -0400
> To: "'jamey at infr.com'" <jamey at infr.com>
> Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Another passwordless unsubscribe script
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil Cooler [mailto:ncooler at nandomedia.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:27 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another passwordless unsubscribe script
> 
> 
> 
> I tested out bob's Auto-Unsubscribe script
> (http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm).
> I wasnt really too happy with the fact that it asked for the entire site
> password because when a user unsubscribes, an email gets sent to the
> site admin confirming that the action was completed.  This email
> contains the site password.  I could have set up a separate script for
> each list but that is too much work.  The script I wrote calls the
> remove_member's program.
> 
> Bob's script did not get the email address in the proper way in my
> opinion.  I believe I got around this by getting the return-to address.
> 
> The script below also contains simple logic to make sure that the email
> address was actually removed, and not simply attempted to be removed.
> 
> I included the script below so feel free to use it however you like.
> 
> I am using a beta of the evolution PIM so please be aware that this may
> not word-wrap correctly.
> 
> --neil
> 
> 
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> ###################################################################
> # Script for passwordless Mailman list unsubscription via email   #
> ###################################################################
> #Neil Cooler <ncooler at nandomedia.com>                             #
> ###################################################################
> #Last revised: 04/09/01                                           #
> ###################################################################
> # Call from your /etc/aliases file like:                          #
> # <listname>-unsubscribe: /home/mailman/unsub <listname) <domain> #
> ###################################################################
> 
> #gets $1 and $2 from the commandline input and adds those values to the
> listname and domain vars.
> listname=$1
> domain=$2
> 
> #reads the second line of the email
> read a2 ;
> 
> #Strips the email address from the second line and puts it in the
> variable 'addr'
> addr="`echo $a2 | awk '{print $2}'`" ;
> 
> #Attempts to remove the user.  IF it does not succeed, it sends a
> message to the user
> status=`/home/mailman/bin/remove_members newtest $addr`
> if [ -n "$status" ]
> then 
> echo "From: $listname-admin@$domain" > /tmp/$addr
> echo "To: $addr" >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "Subject: $listname Unsubscription Confirmation" >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "" >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "There was an error in your attempt to unsusbscribe from the
> $listname mailinglist." >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "It appears that the address you tried to unsubscribe from, $addr
> is not subscribed." >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "Please contact $listname@$domain if you have any questions." >>
> /tmp/$addr
> /usr/lib/sendmail -f $listname-admin@$domain $addr < /tmp/$addr
> rm -f /tmp/addr
> 
> #If the request works, it lets the user know he is unsubscribed.
> else
> echo "From: $listname-admin@$domain" > /tmp/$addr
> echo "To: $addr" >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "Subject: $listname Unsubscription Confirmation" >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "" >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "This message was generated to confirm your unsubscription from" >>
> /tmp/$addr
> echo "$listname@$domain.  You should no longer recieve any messages
> from" >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "this list.  If you change your mind, simply visit the list's" >>
> /tmp/$addr
> echo "Webpage at http://$domain/mailman/listinfo/$listname and subscribe
> again.  If you have" >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "any further questions, please email the admin at
> $listname-admin@$domain.  " >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "Thank You," >> /tmp/$addr
> echo "List Admin" >> /tmp/$addr
> 
> /usr/lib/sendmail -f $listname-admin@$domain $addr < /tmp/$addr
> rm -f /tmp/$addr
> fi
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Thu Apr 12 09:26:56 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:26:56 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP NEEDED
In-Reply-To: <009001c0c2e4$fcddcbe0$1663d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104120924470.7650-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

I should first remove the following line from mailman's crontab :

* * * * * /opt/python/bin//python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

 and then look for the origine of the problem.


Phil.
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:

> Have you ever known Mailman to send the same message over and over and
> over???  I sent a message to one of my lists at 1:45 this afternoon and it
> has sent the SAME message out ONCE EVERY MINUTE since then!!!  It's doing
> this with two messages that I sent within a minute or two of each other.
>
> The technicians are supposedly looking at this but there are about 300
> people on the list that are getting the message over and over so I
> desperately need to stop this.  It may be mailman or the mail server, we're
> still trying to determine which.
>
> I'm on digest, please email me at Glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
> HUGS
> Glennette  /\O/\
>
> P.S.  Entrust your website where you can benefit from quality, professional,
> reliable, and expedient website services and hosting, all under one roof!!!
>
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>
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>
>
>




From ab at c18.org  Thu Apr 12 11:14:00 2001
From: ab at c18.org (Andrew Brown)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:14:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-lingual lists
Message-ID: <a05010473b6fb21cb4b4e@[192.168.1.102]>

Does anyone have experience of running multi-lingual lists? I'd like 
list members to be able to choose the language of their web interface 
and for this choice to stick with them.

AB



From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Thu Apr 12 15:39:01 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 12 Apr 2001 09:39:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another passwordless unsubscribe script
In-Reply-To: <B6FAA8FD.4918%jamey@infr.com>
References: <B6FAA8FD.4918%jamey@infr.com>
Message-ID: <987082741.3891.0.camel@kneel>

Yup, I was planning on resubmitting this this morning.

I did have a couple of typos that I had fixed in another version of this
script I wrote for my company, but the fixes did not make it to the
version I posted.  

The "status=`/home/mailman/bin/remove_members newtest $addr`" line is
the culprit.  Change the word newtest to the variable '$listname'. 

Basically I had a list set up called newtest and that was what i was
using to test this script.  You were trying to remove yourself from that
list.  

If you are still having problems getting this script to work, email me
and I will be glad to help you get it working.

--Neil

On 12 Apr 2001 00:36:13 -0400, Jamey wrote:
> I can't seem to get this one to work. I have the script installed and I am
> getting NO error messages and a confirmation email address telling me I have
> been removed, but when I look at the member list my address is still there.
> 
> It is as if the "status=`/home/mailman/bin/remove_members newtest $addr`"
> part is not working.
> 
> I noticed a few typos in the script and fixed those like "rm -f /tmp/addr"
> should be "rm -f /tmp/$addr" unfortunately it still does not work.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> jamey
> -- 
> 
> 
> > From: "Sintz, James" <jsintz at opers.org>
> > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:10:40 -0400
> > To: "'jamey at infr.com'" <jamey at infr.com>
> > Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Another passwordless unsubscribe script
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Neil Cooler [mailto:ncooler at nandomedia.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:27 PM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another passwordless unsubscribe script
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I tested out bob's Auto-Unsubscribe script
> > (http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm).
> > I wasnt really too happy with the fact that it asked for the entire site
> > password because when a user unsubscribes, an email gets sent to the
> > site admin confirming that the action was completed.  This email
> > contains the site password.  I could have set up a separate script for
> > each list but that is too much work.  The script I wrote calls the
> > remove_member's program.
> > 
> > Bob's script did not get the email address in the proper way in my
> > opinion.  I believe I got around this by getting the return-to address.
> > 
> > The script below also contains simple logic to make sure that the email
> > address was actually removed, and not simply attempted to be removed.
> > 
> > I included the script below so feel free to use it however you like.
> > 
> > I am using a beta of the evolution PIM so please be aware that this may
> > not word-wrap correctly.
> > 
> > --neil
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > #!/bin/bash
> > ###################################################################
> > # Script for passwordless Mailman list unsubscription via email   #
> > ###################################################################
> > #Neil Cooler <ncooler at nandomedia.com>                             #
> > ###################################################################
> > #Last revised: 04/09/01                                           #
> > ###################################################################
> > # Call from your /etc/aliases file like:                          #
> > # <listname>-unsubscribe: /home/mailman/unsub <listname) <domain> #
> > ###################################################################
> > 
> > #gets $1 and $2 from the commandline input and adds those values to the
> > listname and domain vars.
> > listname=$1
> > domain=$2
> > 
> > #reads the second line of the email
> > read a2 ;
> > 
> > #Strips the email address from the second line and puts it in the
> > variable 'addr'
> > addr="`echo $a2 | awk '{print $2}'`" ;
> > 
> > #Attempts to remove the user.  IF it does not succeed, it sends a
> > message to the user
> > status=`/home/mailman/bin/remove_members newtest $addr`
> > if [ -n "$status" ]
> > then 
> > echo "From: $listname-admin@$domain" > /tmp/$addr
> > echo "To: $addr" >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "Subject: $listname Unsubscription Confirmation" >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "" >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "There was an error in your attempt to unsusbscribe from the
> > $listname mailinglist." >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "It appears that the address you tried to unsubscribe from, $addr
> > is not subscribed." >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "Please contact $listname@$domain if you have any questions." >>
> > /tmp/$addr
> > /usr/lib/sendmail -f $listname-admin@$domain $addr < /tmp/$addr
> > rm -f /tmp/addr
> > 
> > #If the request works, it lets the user know he is unsubscribed.
> > else
> > echo "From: $listname-admin@$domain" > /tmp/$addr
> > echo "To: $addr" >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "Subject: $listname Unsubscription Confirmation" >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "" >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "This message was generated to confirm your unsubscription from" >>
> > /tmp/$addr
> > echo "$listname@$domain.  You should no longer recieve any messages
> > from" >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "this list.  If you change your mind, simply visit the list's" >>
> > /tmp/$addr
> > echo "Webpage at http://$domain/mailman/listinfo/$listname and subscribe
> > again.  If you have" >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "any further questions, please email the admin at
> > $listname-admin@$domain.  " >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "Thank You," >> /tmp/$addr
> > echo "List Admin" >> /tmp/$addr
> > 
> > /usr/lib/sendmail -f $listname-admin@$domain $addr < /tmp/$addr
> > rm -f /tmp/$addr
> > fi
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Thu Apr 12 17:20:06 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:20:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of subscribers
Message-ID: <001601c0c364$0e0c31c0$db63d6d1@glennettehome>

Is there a way to get a text list of subscribers from mailman?

I'm still having the problem where that same message is being sent once per
minute and I'm considering deleting the list but I don't want to lose all
the subscribers in the process.
I'm afraid this wouldn't help but this is getting really old!  The
technicians are working on it but so far to no avail.

I have forwarded your suggestions, thanks!!!

HUGS
Glennette  /\O/\

P.S.  Entrust your website where you can benefit from quality, professional,
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From jtrigg at huiekin.org  Thu Apr 12 17:21:49 2001
From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (jtrigg at huiekin.org)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:21:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <001601c0c364$0e0c31c0$db63d6d1@glennettehome>; from glennette@premiumwebdesign.com on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:20:06AM -0400
References: <001601c0c364$0e0c31c0$db63d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <20010412112149.E11720@dozer.liquidweb.com>

On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:20:06AM -0400, glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:
> Is there a way to get a text list of subscribers from mailman?
> 
> I'm still having the problem where that same message is being sent once per
> minute and I'm considering deleting the list but I don't want to lose all
> the subscribers in the process.
> I'm afraid this wouldn't help but this is getting really old!  The
> technicians are working on it but so far to no avail.

I'm having the same problem on one of my lists.  Since setting people to nomail
doesn't help, I'd be surprised if deleting the list did either.

Jim Trigg
Itinerant list admin



From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Thu Apr 12 17:35:59 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:35:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <20010412112149.E11720@dozer.liquidweb.com>
Message-ID: <002601c0c366$45f46920$db63d6d1@glennettehome>

Unsubscribing doesn't even help so I'm sure it wouldn't but what else can I
do???  If the subscribers on this list weren't being somewhat patient, my
ISP would have shut me down by now!!!

Is your list sending the message once every minute like mine is?  And it's
not the complete message, only about 3/4 of it then the rest is cut off.

HUGS
Glennette? /\O/\

P.S.? Entrust your website?where you can benefit from quality,
professional, reliable, and expedient?website services and hosting, all
under one roof!!!

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-----Original Message-----
From: scadian at dozer.liquidweb.com [mailto:scadian at dozer.liquidweb.com]On
Behalf Of jtrigg at huiekin.org
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:22 AM
To: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of
subscribers


On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:20:06AM -0400, glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
wrote:
> Is there a way to get a text list of subscribers from mailman?
>
> I'm still having the problem where that same message is being sent once
per
> minute and I'm considering deleting the list but I don't want to lose all
> the subscribers in the process.
> I'm afraid this wouldn't help but this is getting really old!  The
> technicians are working on it but so far to no avail.

I'm having the same problem on one of my lists.  Since setting people to
nomail
doesn't help, I'd be surprised if deleting the list did either.

Jim Trigg
Itinerant list admin





From alex at phred.org  Thu Apr 12 17:31:53 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <001601c0c364$0e0c31c0$db63d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <20010412083124.G24551-100000@phred.org>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:
> Is there a way to get a text list of subscribers from mailman?

~mailman/bin/list_members listname

You might want to get seperate lists for digested and non-digested
members.

alex




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Apr 12 17:40:01 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:40:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002601c0c366$45f46920$db63d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104120836570.28043-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:
> Is your list sending the message once every minute like mine is?  And it's
> not the complete message, only about 3/4 of it then the rest is cut off.

First, tell your so-called technicians to move the message out of the
queue directory (stopping the constant sending) and take a look at it.

Is there a dot on a line by itself at that point in the message?

If so, your MTA is misconfigured.

Second, please get that offensive ad off the bottom of your posts to this
and other information lists.  Not only is it unappropriate, we're starting
to be convinced that anyone whose so-called technicians can't delete a
file from a directory and kill a few processes doesn't really deserve the
business.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From ari at bear.com  Thu Apr 12 17:38:38 2001
From: ari at bear.com (Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange))
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:38:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of subscri
	bers
Message-ID: <DFE067851E97D21199F300A0C99B231D03D50CDC@whmsx20.is.bear.com>

>From the description of the problem, it sounds like your MTA (Mail =
Transport
Agent) is the culprit, not mailman.  It seems like it is trying to send =
the
message, failing 3/4 of the way, then failing so it is retrying.

What MTA are you using?

Ari

-----Original Message-----
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
[mailto:glennette at premiumwebdesign.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:36 AM
To: jtrigg at huiekin.org
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of
subscribers


Unsubscribing doesn't even help so I'm sure it wouldn't but what else =
can I
do???  If the subscribers on this list weren't being somewhat patient, =
my
ISP would have shut me down by now!!!

Is your list sending the message once every minute like mine is?  And =
it's
not the complete message, only about 3/4 of it then the rest is cut =
off.

HUGS
Glennette=A0 /\O/\

P.S.=A0 Entrust your website=A0where you can benefit from quality,
professional, reliable, and expedient=A0website services and hosting, =
all
under one roof!!!

PREMIUM=A0WEB=A0DESIGN &=A0HOSTING http://www.premiumwebdesign.com/

Visit C W O W!=A0 http://www.cwowfoundation.org/

-----Original Message-----
From: scadian at dozer.liquidweb.com =
[mailto:scadian at dozer.liquidweb.com]On
Behalf Of jtrigg at huiekin.org
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:22 AM
To: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of
subscribers


On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:20:06AM -0400, =
glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
wrote:
> Is there a way to get a text list of subscribers from mailman?
>
> I'm still having the problem where that same message is being sent =
once
per
> minute and I'm considering deleting the list but I don't want to lose =
all
> the subscribers in the process.
> I'm afraid this wouldn't help but this is getting really old!  The
> technicians are working on it but so far to no avail.

I'm having the same problem on one of my lists.  Since setting people =
to
nomail
doesn't help, I'd be surprised if deleting the list did either.

Jim Trigg
Itinerant list admin



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From jtrigg at huiekin.org  Thu Apr 12 17:49:39 2001
From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (jtrigg at huiekin.org)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:49:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of subscri bers
In-Reply-To: <DFE067851E97D21199F300A0C99B231D03D50CDC@whmsx20.is.bear.com>; from ari@bear.com on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:38:38AM -0400
References: <DFE067851E97D21199F300A0C99B231D03D50CDC@whmsx20.is.bear.com>
Message-ID: <20010412114939.I11720@dozer.liquidweb.com>

Note: I am replying to both Glennette and Ari in this message.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:38:38AM -0400, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:
>  From the description of the problem, it sounds like your MTA (Mail
> Transport Agent) is the culprit, not mailman.  It seems like it is
> trying to send the message, failing 3/4 of the way, then failing so
> it is retrying.

That sounds about right to me.

> What MTA are you using?

Exim.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
> [mailto:glennette at premiumwebdesign.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:36 AM
> To: jtrigg at huiekin.org
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of
> subscribers
> 
> 
> Unsubscribing doesn't even help so I'm sure it wouldn't but what else 
> can I do???  If the subscribers on this list weren't being somewhat
> patient, my ISP would have shut me down by now!!!

If it won't help there's no point to doing it.  If the subscribers can't
understand that, then why will they be any more patient after you delete
the list when the messages keep coming?

> Is your list sending the message once every minute like mine is?  And 
> it's not the complete message, only about 3/4 of it then the rest is
> cut off.

Yes, that's what's happening to me as well.

Jim Trigg
Itinerant list admin



From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Thu Apr 12 17:59:10 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rude response! & I got my subscriber list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104120836570.28043-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <004901c0c369$83250e00$db63d6d1@glennettehome>

I find your response somewhat offensive but thanks for the constructive part
at the beginning.
My email signature is not an ad.  I'm doing good to remember to send my
messages as plain text and now you expect me to remove my signature each
time???  When I first joined, I asked if there were any rules and not one
person responded so thank you but I'll be leaving my signature as it is
unless the list OWNER tells me to remove it.  Fortunately, I am not on this
list to get business!!!  I am here to help when I can and get help when I
need it but if I continue to get rude answers like this, I'll go elsewhere!

BY THE WAY, I got my subscriber list!!!  I figured it out on my own though!
All I had to do was send a message to the request address with a subject
line of "who" without the quotes.

Glennette? /\O/\

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under one roof!!!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:rogerk at QueerNet.ORG]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:40 AM
To: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com
Cc: jtrigg at huiekin.org; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of
subscribers


On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:
> Is your list sending the message once every minute like mine is?  And it's
> not the complete message, only about 3/4 of it then the rest is cut off.

First, tell your so-called technicians to move the message out of the
queue directory (stopping the constant sending) and take a look at it.

Is there a dot on a line by itself at that point in the message?

If so, your MTA is misconfigured.

Second, please get that offensive ad off the bottom of your posts to this
and other information lists.  Not only is it unappropriate, we're starting
to be convinced that anyone whose so-called technicians can't delete a
file from a directory and kill a few processes doesn't really deserve the
business.
--
ROGER B.A. KLORESE
rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul
Rudnick






From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Apr 12 18:34:14 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:34:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Rude response! & I got my subscriber list
In-Reply-To: <004901c0c369$83250e00$db63d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104120932350.3184-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:
> My email signature is not an ad.

Yes, it is.  Anything that tells people to come to you for business is an
ad.

Most technical lists do not explicitly prohibit advertising, because it's
been well understood on the net for about 20 years that it's inappropriate
in technical forums.


-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Thu Apr 12 18:56:01 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:56:01 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Rude response! & I got my subscriber list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104120932350.3184-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104121855020.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:
> > My email signature is not an ad.
>
> Yes, it is.  Anything that tells people to come to you for business is an
> ad.
>
> Most technical lists do not explicitly prohibit advertising, because it's
> been well understood on the net for about 20 years that it's inappropriate
> in technical forums.
>
I'm not on the net for about 20 years , but I agree.

Phil.




From mdiaz at UTB1.UTB.EDU  Thu Apr 12 18:57:10 2001
From: mdiaz at UTB1.UTB.EDU (Mario Diaz)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems installing mailman
Message-ID: <3AD5DE66.A7E5C159@utb1.utb.edu>

Hi ,
I'm trying to install mailman in an SGI running IRIX 6.5 with sendmail and
python 2.0.
Configuring and installing seems to go without problems.
I check permissions runnning bin/chech_perms in /home/mailman and no errors are
reported.
I Start cron and then create a test list and keep getting error reports from
cron sent to my email address.
I change the configuration to include several reasonable gids (i.e. the first
time I installed I had SYSLOG reports regarding gid
and use them to change it with a new installation). But I keep getting similar
cron errors (the only difference is that now there no
error
reports in SYSLOG).
Checking the logs/error file in mailman this is what I have:

Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900): Traceback (most recent call last):
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news",
line 222, in ?
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      main()
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news",
line 203, in main
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      process_lists(lock)
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news",
line 140, in process_lists
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      mlist = MailList.MailList(listname,
lock=0)
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      self.Load()
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900):      fp = open(dbfile)
Apr 11 18:55:08 2001 gate_news(76900): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

ANy clues?
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
mario

--

********************************************************************
Mario Diaz
The University of Texas at Brownsville
mdiaz at utb1.utb.edu    Voice:956-5746641    FAX: (956) 5746642
http://utopia.utb.edu/mario
********************************************************************






From orion at deathcon.com  Thu Apr 12 19:07:34 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rude response! & I got my subscriber list
In-Reply-To: <004901c0c369$83250e00$db63d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104120942230.24074-100000@mail.pirk.com>

When I saw this response, I thought it a bug...  I have my lists set to
"private", only list members can see who is on the list, and the 
server sent me a list of subscribers.... ACK!

Then I tried it from an account that is not subscribed, and got:
***** who
>>>>> Private list: only members may see list of subscribers.
so I guess it is ok...

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:
> BY THE WAY, I got my subscriber list!!!  I figured it out on my own though!
> All I had to do was send a message to the request address with a subject
> line of "who" without the quotes.
> 
> Glennette? /\O/\
> 





From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Thu Apr 12 19:25:13 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:25:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Rude response!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104120932350.3184-100000@castro.queernet.or
 g>
References: <004901c0c369$83250e00$db63d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412130119.02801590@mail.stetson.edu>

At 09:34 AM 4/12/01 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
>Most technical lists do not explicitly prohibit advertising, 
>because it's been well understood on the net for about 20 years 
>that it's inappropriate in technical forums.


Rudeness, although common is certainly worse than the ad.

And rudeness on a list where most of us are System 
Administrators, is inexcusable.  People learn by example, and 
the example set by being rude to someone teaches a bad lesson.

The proper response, if you did not ignore the signature file, 
like most people do, is to send a private message to the 
sender.  Ridiculing, someone on a mail list is horrible 
conduct.  Especially when, the poster is obviously in the middle 
of a frustrating problem.

What has been done is equivalent to yelling "Learn to swim" to a 
drowning person asking for your help.  Certainly, you have the 
right to tell them they need to learn to swim, but the correct 
time and place is during a private conversation, after you have 
pulled them out of the water.

Further discussion should take place off the list, but it was 
important for Glennette to know that not all the members of this 
list excuse rude behavior...






From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Thu Apr 12 19:32:57 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:32:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem taken care of & an explanation of sorts
Message-ID: <008301c0c376$9d117c60$db63d6d1@glennettehome>

The problem has been taken care of finally.  Thanks for the information.

Also, this is the first list of this nature that I have been on so I did not
know I should leave off my signature and like I said, I did ask about the
rules.  I knew that blatant advertising would be inappropriate but every
other list I am on allows a signature.  Personally I wish everyone would use
one so I can see your sites and possibly do business with someone who has
helped me but I will follow this unspoken rule in the future. I do wish that
I had been politely informed but life goes on. I know as do all my clients
that I provide top notch support (OK maybe not for mailman but for
everything else) and that's what matters.  :o)

Mailman is one of the many features provided to my clients but none of them
are using it.  I am still learning it myself so simple things like the who
command are very helpful to those of us on the list who are new to mailman.

Have a great day!!!

Glennette




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Apr 12 20:31:44 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Rude response!
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412130119.02801590@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104121129410.7058-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Arthur J. Byrnes wrote:
> The proper response, if you did not ignore the signature file,
> like most people do, is to send a private message to the
> sender.  Ridiculing, someone on a mail list is horrible
> conduct.  Especially when, the poster is obviously in the middle
> of a frustrating problem.

Perhaps you didn't notice that I'm also the only person who told her to
get past the immediate problem by having her technicians delete the
message from the queue.

Of course many other people could have told her that.  Most people who
know enough to do so probably ignored her because of the advertising...

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From todd at connactivity.connactivity.com  Thu Apr 12 20:41:55 2001
From: todd at connactivity.connactivity.com (Todd Joseph)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:41:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Rude response! 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:31:44 PDT."
             <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104121129410.7058-100000@castro.queernet.org> 
Message-ID: <200104121841.f3CIftn11866@connactivity.connactivity.com>

Can you shead any light on my duplicate message problem?  You can be
as rude as like with me... :) Seriously, I really need the help... See
this link:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-April/010634.html



From glennette at premiumwebdesign.com  Thu Apr 12 20:55:45 2001
From: glennette at premiumwebdesign.com (glennette at premiumwebdesign.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Time to move on  :o)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104121129410.7058-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <009401c0c382$2e5597a0$db63d6d1@glennettehome>

Roger, I do appreciate the helpful information you gave as I noted in my
original message.
Thanks to EVERYONE for all your help today and for all your messages. I
personally believe there's a purpose for everything so if nothing else, I
met several of you today and now I know about this unspoken rule about
signatures.

Now can we please move on.  I like attention but not this much *hahaha*

Glennette (who is COMPLETELY signature-less now except for my name *S*)




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Apr 12 20:53:39 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Time to move on  :o)
In-Reply-To: <009401c0c382$2e5597a0$db63d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104121152380.7058-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 glennette at premiumwebdesign.com wrote:
> Roger, I do appreciate the helpful information you gave as I noted in my
> original message.
> Thanks to EVERYONE for all your help today and for all your messages. I
> personally believe there's a purpose for everything so if nothing else, I
> met several of you today and now I know about this unspoken rule about
> signatures.
>
> Now can we please move on.  I like attention but not this much *hahaha*
>
> Glennette (who is COMPLETELY signature-less now except for my name *S*)

Sure.  Sorry for the excess attention.  :)

Can you reply to me -- off-list -- with some info about the technicians
you're talking about?  Are they your company's or your ISP's?  Do they
have administrative access to the server?

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From jp at eyup.org  Thu Apr 12 21:55:00 2001
From: jp at eyup.org (John Poltorak)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:55:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manual install
Message-ID: <20010412205459.X9752@eyup.org>

Can anyone give me any tips on how to do a manual install of Mailman?

I'm attempting to run it on OS/2 but there are some functions missing
in the OS/2 version of Python which cause configure to exit early.
There shouldn't be any reason why Mailman itself wouldn't work on OS/2,
I've been running several Majordomo lists for the best part of a year
without any significant problems.

Just don't where to start with a manual install...

-- 
John
 




From edgar002 at bama.ua.edu  Thu Apr 12 23:26:31 2001
From: edgar002 at bama.ua.edu (adam.edgar)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:26:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web page script
Message-ID: <20010412162631.B131@bama.ua.edu>

I would like to make a web page similar to the one found at 
     http://www.lists.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe/

Is one available or has anyone set up a page that I can use as an example in
order to create a script?

Thank you,
Adam S Edgar 



From munky at maluco.com.br  Fri Apr 13 00:15:53 2001
From: munky at maluco.com.br (Ulysses Almeida)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:15:53 -0300 (BRT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] inexistent email
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104121903001.11278-100000@munky.mileniumnet.com.br>

Hi..

  I just start to use Mailman, an just for test a added an inexistent
e-mail on my mail-list...
  Since i did it, i never recive any error msg, and the user is still on
my mail-list... 

  Is there some config to make Mailman automactly remove this user from my
mail-list?

 thanks for any help!

    .~.  Ulysses Almeida
   / V \  munky at maluco.com.br
 / (   ) \  Seja livre, use GNU/Linux! 
   ^^-^^




From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au  Fri Apr 13 10:42:14 2001
From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:42:14 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] signup problems
Message-ID: <20010413184214.A23790@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>

People are failing to finish subscription to one of my mailman lists -
about one in two people are entering their email address ok but never
responding to the "please confirm" message.

Is it possible to get the default message improved, so it's clearer
- e.g.  change the subject so it says something like "reply to confirm
subscription to ..."?  (My mailman list is hosted at pair.com, so I
can't hack the code for this myself.)

Danny.




From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au  Fri Apr 13 10:43:39 2001
From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:43:39 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly digests?
Message-ID: <20010413184339.B23790@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>

I have a low-volume announcement list (used for distributed my book
reviews, see http://dannyreviews.com/).  I average four or five
messages a month, so a daily digest is obviously useless... a monthly
one, on the other hand might appeal to some people.

Is there any chance of getting the digest interval made configurable?

Danny.




From dennis at pipper.net  Fri Apr 13 17:39:42 2001
From: dennis at pipper.net (Dennis)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail setup problem
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413113244.02bfe998@netmail.home.com>

Set up mailman (download current from web site) according to 
INSTALL.    I'm running RH Linux with Sendmail 8.8.7

The email for the list is going to the user email specified in the 
/etc/aliases file which is my user dennis.

Here is the /etc/aliases snip:

mailman:            dennis
mailman-owner:   mailman

I added a list called test2

here is the aliases snip for that:

test2-admin:  mailman
test2-request: mailman
test2-owner:   mailman
test2:  mailman

I ran newaliases and restarted Sendmail.  What am I missing?

Dennis




From stephanie.bouthors at activrecrut.fr  Fri Apr 13 17:55:28 2001
From: stephanie.bouthors at activrecrut.fr (stephanie)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:55:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recherche candidat
Message-ID: <007901c0c432$296d1f00$bb00a8c0@cybercable.fr>

Bonjour,

Je recherche actuellement des d?veloppeurs python.
Si ?a vous int?resse, contactez moi.
Merci d'avance.

St?phanie BOUTHORS
Consultante
stephanie.bouthors at activrecrut.fr
01.43.14.80.50
06.74.59.96.85
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From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Fri Apr 13 18:00:02 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:00:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail setup problem
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413113244.02bfe998@netmail.home.com>; from dennis@pipper.net on Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 11:39:42AM -0400
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413113244.02bfe998@netmail.home.com>
Message-ID: <20010413180002.A26706@uttnarag.arago>

Quoting Dennis, <dennis at pipper.net>:
> Set up mailman (download current from web site) according to 
> INSTALL.    I'm running RH Linux with Sendmail 8.8.7
> 
> The email for the list is going to the user email specified in the 
> /etc/aliases file which is my user dennis.
> 
> Here is the /etc/aliases snip:
> 
> mailman:            dennis
> mailman-owner:   mailman
> 
> I added a list called test2
> 
> here is the aliases snip for that:
> 
> test2-admin:  mailman
> test2-request: mailman
> test2-owner:   mailman
> test2:  mailman

It looks like you did not create this "test2" list with the correct
Mailman script...
> 
> I ran newaliases and restarted Sendmail.  What am I missing?

How did you create this new list? If Mailman is setup correctly, you create
a new list with the command /path/to/mailman-home/bin/newlist <listname>
and that will return a set of aliasses that you can insert into the 
appropriate alias-file (/etc/aliases most cases)

Here's a snippet from my alias file...

# Mailman aliasses
mailman: geert
mailman-owner: geert

## testing mailing list
## created: 06-Apr-2001 mailman
testing:             "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testing"
testing-admin:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"
testing-request:     "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testing"
testing-owner:       testing-admin

Here you see that the various aliases point to the wrapper script that
handles the mailinglist sending/redistributing processes. These are
missing in your alias file.

HTH,
\Geert.
-- 
Geert Altena | Geert at arago.utwente.nl | Coffee, black, no sugar
      Finger for PGPkey : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - Niels Bohr



From todd at connactivity.connactivity.com  Fri Apr 13 18:04:55 2001
From: todd at connactivity.connactivity.com (Todd Joseph)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:04:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail setup problem 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:39:42 EDT."
             <5.0.2.1.0.20010413113244.02bfe998@netmail.home.com> 
Message-ID: <200104131604.f3DG4tS13536@connactivity.connactivity.com>

Your aliases file should look more like this:

test2:		  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2"
test2-request:	  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2"
test2-admin:	  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test2"
test2-owner:	  test2-admin

--------------
>Set up mailman (download current from web site) according to 
>INSTALL.    I'm running RH Linux with Sendmail 8.8.7
>
>The email for the list is going to the user email specified in the 
>/etc/aliases file which is my user dennis.
>
>Here is the /etc/aliases snip:
>
>mailman:            dennis
>mailman-owner:   mailman
>
>I added a list called test2
>
>here is the aliases snip for that:
>
>test2-admin:  mailman
>test2-request: mailman
>test2-owner:   mailman
>test2:  mailman
>
>I ran newaliases and restarted Sendmail.  What am I missing?
>
>Dennis
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jessek at speakeasy.org  Fri Apr 13 19:52:00 2001
From: jessek at speakeasy.org (Jesse Kornblum)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:52:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail setup problem
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413113244.02bfe998@netmail.home.com>
Message-ID: <3AD73CC0.6923D2CD@speakeasy.org>


Dennis wrote:

> I ran newaliases and restarted Sendmail.  What am I missing?

If you have a later version of Sendmail, you also need to link the mailman
wrapper program into the Sendmail allowed executable directory. (See
README.Sendmail, included in the distribution for more details.) On most
systems the command you need to run is something much like:

$ ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper

--
- Jesse

  People protest against fur instead of leather because
  it's safer to dump paint on rich women than bikers.





From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Apr 13 19:53:51 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:53:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recherche candidat
In-Reply-To: <007901c0c432$296d1f00$bb00a8c0@cybercable.fr>; from stephanie.bouthors@activrecrut.fr on Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 05:55:28PM +0200
References: <007901c0c432$296d1f00$bb00a8c0@cybercable.fr>
Message-ID: <20010413105351.V1851@magic.merlins.org>

On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 05:55:28PM +0200, stephanie wrote:
> Bonjour,
> 
> Je recherche actuellement des d?veloppeurs python.
> Si ?a vous int?resse, contactez moi.

Etre stupide ? ce point, c'est difficile.

Go  away  evil  spammer,  not  only  what you  did  breaches  all  rules  of
netiquette,  and  instead  of  bringing  you candidates,  it  will  get  you
blacklisted, and  put on  people's shit  list, but posting  in French  to an
English international  list is really  showing how  clueless you are  in the
first place, and you just made sure that 95%+ of the list subscribers didn't
even know what you were talking about.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From dennis at pipper.net  Fri Apr 13 20:09:20 2001
From: dennis at pipper.net (Dennis)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:09:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail setup problem
In-Reply-To: <3AD73CC0.6923D2CD@speakeasy.org>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413113244.02bfe998@netmail.home.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413140453.00b0d988@mail.pipper.net>

Thanks for the tips on what my /etc/aliases should be, that did the 
trick.  Is there a way that is supposed to work on it's own?  Is it me or 
is there not much documented help associated with this program?

How difficult would it to be to use mailman with a dns forwarding service?

Thanks again for the help.

Dennis

At 01:52 PM 4/13/2001 -0400, Jesse Kornblum wrote:


>Dennis wrote:
>
> > I ran newaliases and restarted Sendmail.  What am I missing?
>
>If you have a later version of Sendmail, you also need to link the mailman
>wrapper program into the Sendmail allowed executable directory. (See
>README.Sendmail, included in the distribution for more details.) On most
>systems the command you need to run is something much like:
>
>$ ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper
>
>--
>- Jesse
>
>   People protest against fur instead of leather because
>   it's safer to dump paint on rich women than bikers.




From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Fri Apr 13 20:39:02 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:39:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail setup problem
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413140453.00b0d988@mail.pipper.net>; from dennis@pipper.net on Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 02:09:20PM -0400
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413113244.02bfe998@netmail.home.com> <3AD73CC0.6923D2CD@speakeasy.org> <5.0.2.1.0.20010413140453.00b0d988@mail.pipper.net>
Message-ID: <20010413203902.B26706@uttnarag.arago>

Quoting Dennis, <dennis at pipper.net>:
> Thanks for the tips on what my /etc/aliases should be, that did the 
> trick.  Is there a way that is supposed to work on it's own?  Is it me or 
> is there not much documented help associated with this program?

Having many different mailservers and operating systems makes it rather
cumbersome to make things 'work on its own'. Alias handling can be
different, permission issues, etc.

This last bit is correct, the manual sortof consists of the README files
that come with the source. Refer to http://www.list.org for more info.

Cheers,
\Geert.
-- 
Geert Altena | Geert at arago.utwente.nl | Coffee, black, no sugar
      Finger for PGPkey : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - Niels Bohr



From michael at spconnect.com  Fri Apr 13 21:16:33 2001
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:16:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly digests?
In-Reply-To: <20010413184339.B23790@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104131213500.32083-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

Run crontab -e and edit the line:

0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/other/mailman/cron/senddigests

to

0 12 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/other/mailman/cron/senddigests

Only problem is this will affect all lists.

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Danny Yee wrote:

> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:43:39 +1000
> From: Danny Yee <danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly digests?
>
> I have a low-volume announcement list (used for distributed my book
> reviews, see http://dannyreviews.com/).  I average four or five
> messages a month, so a daily digest is obviously useless... a monthly
> one, on the other hand might appeal to some people.
>
> Is there any chance of getting the digest interval made configurable?
>
> Danny.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From ian at ians.net  Fri Apr 13 21:19:05 2001
From: ian at ians.net (Ian McNish)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:19:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't get into admin or listinfo under iplanet
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104131214090.5764-100000@oz>


i'm using mailman 2.0.3, python 2.0, and iplanet 4.1 on solaris. i
realize that this is most likely a configuration issue, but i can't
seem to get it corrected. when i go to http://[my
host]//mailman/admin i get binary'ish output. when i go to http://[my
host]//mailman/admin/test i get a not found error and iplanet logs the
following to the error log:

[13/Apr/2001:12:17:03] warning (  332): for host [my host] trying
to GET /mailman/admin/test, send-file
reports: /export/WWWs/mailman/cgi-bin/admin/test not found

any help would be appreciated.




From acool1 at acool1.com  Sat Apr 14 02:49:41 2001
From: acool1 at acool1.com (acool1)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:49:41 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan List
Message-ID: <3AD79EA5.000005.79477@c1420942-a.schrls1.mo.home.com>

I have a list at he following http://www.acool1.com          then select click me on the left side of the page. If I was to Put a subscriber list box on another site for guests to add to this list where would I direct their email and password information.  I have setup a box called insert e-mail address and underneath have put a password and password confirm bos. I just need to know what to put in form field where it would act just like the list . I mean when they it go it goes to my list with email address and passsword and waits for me to approve or other at the same sends a email out just like the form does now, Hope this make sense,

Joey Moses

by the way list is named list at acool1.com
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From joeymoses1 at home.com  Sat Apr 14 03:01:37 2001
From: joeymoses1 at home.com (Joey Moses)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:01:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan List
Message-ID: <001701c0c47e$7525aa60$7b610741@schrls1.mo.home.com>

I'll try it again sorry!

I have a list at he following http://www.acool1.com          then select click me on the left side of the page. If I was to Put a subscriber list box on another site for guests to add to this list where would I direct their email and password information.  I have setup a box called insert e-mail address and underneath have put a password and password confirm bos. I just need to know what to put in form field where it would act just like the list . I mean when they it go it goes to my list with email address and passsword and waits for me to approve or other at the same sends a email out just like the form does now, Hope this make sense,

Joey Moses

by the way list is named list at acool1.com
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From acool1 at acool1.com  Sat Apr 14 03:09:40 2001
From: acool1 at acool1.com (acool1)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:09:40 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <3AD7A354.00000F.79477@c1420942-a.schrls1.mo.home.com>

Give me phone number to call you at my email has bounced 2 times. I give up
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From todd at connactivity.connactivity.com  Sat Apr 14 03:28:42 2001
From: todd at connactivity.connactivity.com (Todd Joseph)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:28:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:35:21 EDT."
             <200104120335.f3C3ZLr20523@connactivity.connactivity.com> 
Message-ID: <200104140128.f3E1SgS10869@connactivity.connactivity.com>

See below for more info.  Since I sent this message the first time,
I've had 1 reply.  I'm thinking I need to include a snappy come-on in
my .sig to get everyone's attention.  I've learned one more thing, the
mailing list had 1 email address with a space in it.  The address
something like:

    blahblah at foobar.org and

When I tried to remove it, I got an error saying something like
"blahblah at foobar.org is not subscribed."  I had to quote the bogus
address in order to remove it.  Could this address have caused
duplicate messages to be sent to some subscribers?

I'm really at an impasse right now.  If I can't reach a comfort level
on what has caused the duplicate messages to be sent, I'll have to
look for something else to manage my mailing lists.  I know people are
using mailman sucessfully, and I must be doing something wrong.

Oh, and I'm running Python 1.5.2

Help...

Todd Joseph
todd at connact.com
----------------- 
>
>Sorry for sending this to developers and users.  I'm not sure which
>group is more appropriate.  
>
>I've been using 2.0 final for a couple of months now without a
>problem.  I've got roughly 60,000 people on my mailing list and I'm
>using sendmail as the MTA on RH6.2.  The list is moderated and there
>is only 1-2 messages a month.  The last message sent to the list was
>sent to some subscribers twice.  I had seen the problem before with
>2.0rc1.  From the release notes for 2.0rc2, that is documented as
>fixed (bug #117015) (see below).  Anyone know why I would see it
>happen again in 2.0 Final?  
>
>Here's what I've done:
>
>(1) Scanned the Archives.  Found a post to mailman-users with no reply
>that seems related.  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-April
>/010625.html
>
>(2) Looked through Syslog logs for System and Sendmail errors.
>Nothing unusual reported.
>
>(3) Looked through the Mailman logs dir (/home/mailman/logs).  Nothing
>out of the orinary except in the errors file (see below).  What's
>strange about this is the duplicate message had already been sent by
>this time (the few duplicates checked showed 1st delivery at ~8PM
>April 6 and subsequent delivery at ~2:30AM April 7 -- all times synced
>with NTP on systems tested).
>
>Excerpt from /home/mailman/logs/errors:
>
>Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818): Traceback (innermost last):
>Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line
> 278, in ?
>Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):      kids = main(lock)
>Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line
> 256, in main
>Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):      dequeue(root)
>Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line
> 184, in dequeue
>Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818):      os.unlink(root + '.db')
>Apr 07 04:09:18 2001 qrunner(16818): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or dire
>ctory: '/home/mailman/qfiles/c879896f57e6392365c42f995f13c09de378bbcd.db' 
>
>(cut-n-paste for 2.0rc2 release notes)...
>
>>SourceForge bugs fixed: 116615 (README.BSD update), 117015 (duplicate
>>messages on moderated posts), 117548 (exception in HyperArch.py),
>>117682 (typos), 121185 (vsnprintf signature), 121591 and 122017 (bogus
>>link after web unsubscribe), 121811 (`subscribe' in Subject: doesn't
>>get archived)
>
>Help...
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From barry at digicool.com  Sat Apr 14 03:46:20 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:46:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
References: <200104120335.f3C3ZLr20523@connactivity.connactivity.com>
	<200104140128.f3E1SgS10869@connactivity.connactivity.com>
Message-ID: <15063.44012.655280.504033@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TJ" == Todd Joseph <todd at connactivity.connactivity.com> writes:

    TJ> See below for more info.  Since I sent this message the first
    TJ> time, I've had 1 reply.  I'm thinking I need to include a
    TJ> snappy come-on in my .sig to get everyone's attention.

Naw, you just have to offer to finish my taxes for me.  Fortunately
for you, I'm on hold with the IRS so I get to help you <wink>.

    TJ> I've learned one more thing, the mailing list had 1 email
    TJ> address with a space in it.  The address something like:

    TJ>     blahblah at foobar.org and

    TJ> When I tried to remove it, I got an error saying something
    TJ> like "blahblah at foobar.org is not subscribed."  I had to quote
    TJ> the bogus address in order to remove it.  Could this address
    TJ> have caused duplicate messages to be sent to some subscribers?

Doubtful, but anything's possible.  I'd be surprised if it would cause
a dup'ing error that didn't show up in the error logs though.

    TJ> Oh, and I'm running Python 1.5.2

And Mailman 2.0.3?  I'd recommend upgrading even though I doubt any of
the fixes between 2.0 and 2.0.3 will address your problems.

The error your getting in the log file indicates that one of the
queued files is getting deleted out from under qrunner.  That could be
because you're getting multiple qrunner processes because of some
locking failure, or because your qrunner lock is getting stomped on.
Have you changed any of the default values in your mm_cfg.py (or
<gasp> Defaults.py) file?  You ought to see a bunch of "Could not
acquire qrunner lock" messages in the logs/qrunner file.  Perversely
enough, that indicates that qrunner's lock is working.

Are you still seeing duplicates, or was this a one-time occurance?

Which DELIVERY_MODULE are you using?  If SMTPDirect, are you using any
of the experimental thread stuff?  Are you running a news gateway?
That's the one handler that still does an os.fork() so if for some
reason your child processes are returning to the main HandlerAPI loop,
then that might explain both symptoms.

Check your MTA log files.  Can you match the duplicate messages with
deliveries by your MTA?  If Mailman were sending them out twice, you
should see each entry in your MTA logs.

I know I'm giving you more questions than answers, but I'll definitely
need more information before we can figure out your problem.

-Barry



From todd at connactivity.connactivity.com  Sat Apr 14 04:38:47 2001
From: todd at connactivity.connactivity.com (Todd Joseph)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:38:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:46:20 EDT."
             <15063.44012.655280.504033@anthem.wooz.org> 
Message-ID: <200104140238.f3E2clS23684@connactivity.connactivity.com>

BW>
BW>Naw, you just have to offer to finish my taxes for me.  Fortunately
BW>for you, I'm on hold with the IRS so I get to help you <wink>.

I know the feeling.  Ever filed an extension? :)

BW>
BW>    TJ> Oh, and I'm running Python 1.5.2
BW>
BW>And Mailman 2.0.3?  I'd recommend upgrading even though I doubt any of
BW>the fixes between 2.0 and 2.0.3 will address your problems.

I'm all for going to 2.0.3 but I want to find whatever went wrong
first.  I'm wary of upgrading any masking/removing the problem before
it's found.

BW>The error your getting in the log file indicates that one of the
BW>queued files is getting deleted out from under qrunner.  That could be
BW>because you're getting multiple qrunner processes because of some
BW>locking failure, or because your qrunner lock is getting stomped on.

I kinda thought so.  Any ideas on what could cause that?  

One more tidbit, I have set the "Action when critical or excessive
bounces are detected" to "Do nothing" So, I do have a fair number of
bogus addresses in my list.  My sendmail queue does get kinda large.
I've set it up this way out of paranoia in maintaining the integrity
of the list (IE not removing valid email addresses).

BW>Have you changed any of the default values in your mm_cfg.py (or
BW><gasp> Defaults.py) file?  

OK, I'm bad.  I changed them in the Defaults.py file.  I tried to use
the mm_cfg.py file, but ran into a problem (was a few months ago,
don't remember what exactly happened). I've included a copy of my
"Defaults.py" and "mm_cfg.py" at the bottom of this message for
reference.

BW>You ought to see a bunch of "Could not
BW>acquire qrunner lock" messages in the logs/qrunner file.  Perversely
BW>enough, that indicates that qrunner's lock is working.

:) yes.

BW>Are you still seeing duplicates, or was this a one-time occurance?

I'm currently using Mailman to send announcements about once a month
which are critical to our business.  The duplicates were sent with the
last announcement and we need to send another next week (wouldn't you
know it, Marketing picks this week to send 2 in a month!).  I can't
send another announcement until I can be sure we won't have any more
duplicates.  We'll probably outsource next weeks mailing to someone if
I can't get this resolved this weekend.

BW>Which DELIVERY_MODULE are you using?

SMTPDirect (would I be better off with Sendmail?)

BW>  If SMTPDirect, are you using any of the experimental thread stuff? 

Not that I know of.  See attached Defaults.py and mm_ctg.py for more
info.

BW> Are you running a news gateway?

No.

BW>That's the one handler that still does an os.fork() so if for some
BW>reason your child processes are returning to the main HandlerAPI loop,
BW>then that might explain both symptoms.
BW>
BW>Check your MTA log files.  Can you match the duplicate messages with
BW>deliveries by your MTA?  If Mailman were sending them out twice, you
BW>should see each entry in your MTA logs.

Yes, I have 2 different Message-Id's from sendmail 1 for each message
delivered.  I actually picked that up from the message headers (thanks
to "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG> for that pointer).  I
think Mailman is sending the twice -- not Sendmail.

BW>
BW>I know I'm giving you more questions than answers, but I'll definitely
BW>need more information before we can figure out your problem.
BW>
BW>-Barry

Thank you!
 



From todd at connactivity.connactivity.com  Sat Apr 14 05:16:14 2001
From: todd at connactivity.connactivity.com (Todd Joseph)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:16:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:38:47 EDT."
             <200104140238.f3E2clS23684@connactivity.connactivity.com> 
Message-ID: <200104140316.f3E3GES01022@connactivity.connactivity.com>

Forgot the Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py files...

----------------------------- Defaults.py -----------------------------
# -*- python -*-

# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

"""Distributed default settings for significant Mailman config variables.
"""

# NEVER make site configuration changes to this file.  ALWAYS make them in
# mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area.  See the comments in that file
# for details.


import os

def seconds(s): return s
def minutes(m): return m * 60
def hours(h): return h * 60 * 60
def days(d): return d * 60 * 60 * 24



#####
# General system-wide defaults
#####

# Should image logos be used?  Set this to false to disable image logos from
# "our sponsors" and just use textual links instead.  Otherwise, this should
# contain the URL base path to the logo images (and must contain the trailing
# slash)..  If you want to disable Mailman's logo footer altogther, hack
# Mailman/htmlformat.py:MailmanLogo(), which also contains the hardcoded links
# and image names.
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'

# Don't change MAILMAN_URL, unless you want to point it at the list.org
# mirror.
MAILMAN_URL = 'http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman.html'
#MAILMAN_URL = 'http://www.list.org/'

# Site-specific settings
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'log2l3c'
# DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash!
DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://log2l3c/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/pipermail'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'

HOME_PAGE         = 'index.html'
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME



#####
# Archive defaults
#####

# Are archives on or off by default?
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = 1                               # 0=Off, 1=On

# Are archives public or private by default?
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE    = 0                    # 0=public, 1=private

# ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX
#-1 - do not do any archiving
# 0 - do not archive to mbox, use builtin mailman html archiving only
# 1 - archive to mbox to use an external archiving mechanism only
# 2 - archive to both mbox and builtin mailman html archiving -
#     use this to make both external archiving mechanism work and
#     mailman's builtin html archiving.  the flat mail file can be
#     useful for searching, external archivers, etc.
#
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2

# 0 - yearly
# 1 - monthly
# 2 - quarterly
# 3 - weekly
# 4 - daily
#
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_VOLUME_FREQUENCY = 1

# These variables control the use of an external archiver.  Normally if
# archiving is turned on (see ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX above and the list's archive*
# attributes) the internal Pipermail archiver is used.  This is the default if
# both of these variables are set to false.  When either is set, the value
# should be a shell command string which will get passed to os.popen().  This
# string can contain %(listname)s for dictionary interpolation.  The name of
# the list being archived will be substituted for this.
#
# Note that if you set one of these variables, you should set both of them
# (they can be the same string).  This will mean your external archiver will
# be used regardless of whether public or private archives are selected.
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 0
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 0

# Set this to 1 to enable gzipping of the downloadable archive .txt file.
# Note that this is /extremely/ inefficient, so an alternative is to just
# collect the messages in the associated .txt file and run a cron job every
# night to generate the txt.gz file.  See cron/nightly_gzip for details.
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES = 0

# Pipermail archives contain the raw email addresses of the posting authors.
# Some view this as a goldmine for spam harvesters.  Set this to false to
# moderately obscure email addresses, but note that this breaks mailto: URLs
# in the archives too.
ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0

# Pipermail assumes that messages bodies contain US-ASCII text.
# Change this option to define a different character set to be used as
# the default character set for the archive.  The term "character set"
# is used in MIME to refer to a method of converting a sequence of
# octets into a sequence of characters.  If you change the default
# charset, you might need to add it to VERBATIM_ENCODING below.
DEFAULT_CHARSET = None

# Most character set encodings require special HTML entity characters to be
# quoted, otherwise they won't look right in the Pipermail archives.  However
# some character sets must not quote these characters so that they can be
# rendered properly in the browsers.  The primary issue is multi-byte
# encodings where the octet 0x26 does not always represent the & character.
# This variable contains a list of such characters sets which are not
# HTML-quoted in the archives.
VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['iso-2022-jp']



#####
# Delivery defaults
#####

# Delivery module for the message pipeline.  See
# Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py for details.  Unless overridden specifically
# in that module, this handler is used for message delivery to the list, and
# to an individual user.  This value must be a string naming a module in the
# Mailman.Handlers package.
#
# SECURITY WARNING: The Sendmail module is not secure!  Please read the
# comments in Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py for details.  Use at your own
# risk.
#
#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'

# Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP
# transaction.  Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one
# transaction.  Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500

# Maximum number of simulatenous subthreads that will be used for SMTP
# delivery.  After the recipients list is chunked according to SMTP_MAX_RCPTS,
# each chunk is handed off to the smptd by a separate such thread.  If your
# Python interpreter was not built for threads, this feature is disabled.  You
# can explicitly disable it in all cases by setting MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS to
# 0.  This feature is only supported with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
#
# NOTE: This is an experimental feature and limited testing shows that it may
# in fact degrade performance, possibly due to Python's global interpreter
# lock.  Use with caution.
MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0

# SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 0                                      # default from smtplib

# Command for direct command pipe delivery to sendmail compatible program,
# when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'Sendmail'.
SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'

# Allow for handling of MTA-specific features (i.e. aliases).  Most MTAs use
# "sendmail" (including Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim).  Qmail uses the "qmail"
# style.
MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail'

# Set these variables if you need to authenticate to your NNTP server for
# Usenet posting or reading.  If no authentication is necessary, specify None
# for both variables.
NNTP_USERNAME = None
NNTP_PASSWORD = None

# Set this if you have an NNTP server you prefer gatewayed lists to use.
DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = ''



#####
# General defaults
#####

# Set to true to use the crypt module for passwords instead of md5.  Crypt may
# not work on all Python installations.  Don't change this value once you have
# lists running...  In fact, you should just let configure set this one and
# leave it alone.
USE_CRYPT = 1

# When allowing only members to post to a mailing list, how is the sender of
# the message determined?  If this variable is set to 1, then first the
# message's envelope sender is used, with a fallback to the sender if there is
# no envelope sender.  Set this variable to 0 to always use the sender.
#
# The envelope sender is set by the SMTP delivery and is thus less easily
# spoofed than the sender, which is typically just taken from the From: header
# and thus easily spoofed by the end-user.  However, sometimes the envelope
# sender isn't set correctly and this will manifest itself by postings being
# held for approval even if they appear to come from a list member.  If you
# are having this problem, set this variable to 0, but understand that some
# spoofed messages may get through.
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0

# When true, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the same address as
# user at domain.  If set to 0, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the
# same address as user at Host.DoMain, but different than user at domain.  Usernames
# will always be case preserved, and host parts of addresses will all be
# lowercased.
SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1

# When set, the listinfo web page overview of lists on the machine will be
# confined to only those lists whose web_page_url configuration option host is
# included within the URL by which the page is visited - only those "on the
# virtual host".  If unset, then all lists are included in the overview.  The
# admin page overview always includes all the lists.
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1
DEFAULT_FILTER_PROG = ''                # Currently not used!

# How many members to display at a time on the admin cgi to unsubscribe them
# or change their options?
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30

# how many bytes of a held message post should be displayed in the admindb web
# page?  Use a negative number to indicate the entire message, regardless of
# size (though this will slow down rendering those pages).
ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT = 4096



#####
# List defaults
#####

# Should a list, by default be advertised?  What is the default maximum number
# of explicit recipients allowed?  What is the default maximum message size
# allowed?
DEFAULT_LIST_ADVERTISED = 1
DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 10
DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE = 40		# KB

# These format strings will be expanded w.r.t. the dictionary for the
# mailing list instance.
DEFAULT_SUBJECT_PREFIX  = "[%(real_name)s] "
DEFAULT_MSG_HEADER = ""
DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER = """_______________________________________________
%(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
"""

# Mail command processor will ignore mail command lines after designated max.
DEFAULT_MAIL_COMMANDS_MAX_LINES = 25

# Is the list owner notified of admin requests immediately by mail, as well as
# by daily pending-request reminder?
DEFAULT_ADMIN_IMMED_NOTIFY = 1

# Is the list owner notified of subscribes/unsubscribes?
DEFAULT_ADMIN_NOTIFY_MCHANGES = 0

# Are lists, by default, moderated?
DEFAULT_MODERATED = 0

# Bounce if 'To:', 'Cc:', or 'Resent-To:' fields don't explicitly name list?
# This is an anti-spam measure
DEFAULT_REQUIRE_EXPLICIT_DESTINATION = 1

# Alternate names acceptable as explicit destinations for this list.
DEFAULT_ACCEPTABLE_ALIASES ="""
"""
# For mailing lists that have only other mailing lists for members:
DEFAULT_UMBRELLA_LIST = 0

# For umbrella lists, the suffix for the account part of address for
# administrative notices (subscription confirmations, password reminders):
DEFAULT_UMBRELLA_MEMBER_ADMIN_SUFFIX = "-owner"

# This variable controlls whether monthly password reminders are sent.
DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1

# Send welcome messages to new users?  Probably should keep this set to 1.
DEFAULT_SEND_WELCOME_MSG = 1

# Wipe sender information, and make it look like the list-admin
# address sends all messages
DEFAULT_ANONYMOUS_LIST = 0

# {header-name: regexp} spam filtering - we include some for example sake.
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_MATCHING_HEADERS = """
# Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.
to: friend at public.com
message-id: relay.comanche.denmark.eu
from: list at listme.com
from: .*@uplinkpro.com
"""

# Mailman can be configured to "munge" Reply-To: headers for any passing
# messages.  One the one hand, there are a lot of good reasons not to munge
# Reply-To: but on the other, people really seem to want this feature.  See
# the help for reply_goes_to_list in the web UI for links discussing the
# issue.
# 0 - Reply-To: not munged
# 1 - Reply-To: set back to the list
# 2 - Reply-To: set to an explicit value (reply_to_address)
DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 0

# SUBSCRIBE POLICY
# 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1) **
# 1 - confirmation required for subscribes
# 2 - admin approval required for subscribes
# 3 - both confirmation and admin approval required
#
# ** please do not choose option 0 if you are not allowing open
# subscribes (next variable)
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 1

# does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions?
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 0

# Private_roster == 0: anyone can see, 1: members only, 2: admin only.
DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 0

# When exposing members, make them unrecognizable as email addrs, so
# web-spiders can't pick up addrs for spam purposes.
DEFAULT_OBSCURE_ADDRESSES = 1

# Make it 1 when it works.
DEFAULT_MEMBER_POSTING_ONLY = 0



#####
# Digestification defaults
#####

# Will list be available in non-digested form?
DEFAULT_NONDIGESTABLE = 1

# Will list be available in digested form?
DEFAULT_DIGESTABLE = 1
DEFAULT_DIGEST_HEADER = ""
DEFAULT_DIGEST_FOOTER = DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER

DEFAULT_DIGEST_IS_DEFAULT = 0
DEFAULT_MIME_IS_DEFAULT_DIGEST = 0
DEFAULT_DIGEST_SIZE_THRESHHOLD = 30	# KB
DEFAULT_DIGEST_SEND_PERIODIC = 1
DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from',
                                     'subject', 'to', 'cc',
                                     'reply-to', 'organization']



#####
# Bounce processing defaults
#####

# Should we do any bounced mail response at all?
DEFAULT_BOUNCE_PROCESSING = 1

# Minimum number of days that address has been undeliverable before 
# we take the automatic bounce action.
DEFAULT_MINIMUM_REMOVAL_DATE = 5

# Minimum number of delivery failure notices for an account before we
# consider doing the automatic bounce action.
DEFAULT_MINIMUM_POST_COUNT_BEFORE_BOUNCE_ACTION = 3

# 0 means do nothing
# 1 means disable and notify the list admin
# 2 means disable and don't notify the list admin
# 3 means remove and notify
DEFAULT_AUTOMATIC_BOUNCE_ACTION = 1

# Maximum number of posts that can go by w/o a bounce before we figure 
# delivery failures to a particular recipient have been resolved.  This
# needs to account for the big lag between delivery attempt and issuance of 
# the failure notice.  We recommend a value representing the maximum number
# of messages you'd reasonably expect an average list to get in 1 hour.
DEFAULT_MAX_POSTS_BETWEEN_BOUNCES = 5

# Check for administrivia in messages sent to the main list?
DEFAULT_ADMINISTRIVIA = 1

# List of addresses (lhs of the @) that likely come only from MTAs bouncing
# messages.  This is used in qrunner and MailCommandHandler.py to stop
# processing or forwarding such messages.
#
# TBD: why orphanage?  why postoffice?
LIKELY_BOUNCE_SENDERS = ('daemon', 'mailer-daemon', 'postmaster',
                         'orphanage', 'postoffice')



#####
# General time limits
#####

# Authentication cookie control.  When set to 0, Mailman's admin cookie
# expires at the end of your session.  This is preferred for security reasons,
# and to avoid potential problems with incorrect clock and timezone settings.
# Set this to a value > 0 to use persistent admin cookies with a lifetime of
# that number of seconds.
ADMIN_COOKIE_LIFE = 0

# How long should subscriptions requests await confirmation before being
# dropped?
PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE = days(3)

# How long should messages which have delivery failures continue to be
# retried?  After this period of time, a message that has failed recipients
# will be dequeued and those recipients will never receive the message.
DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD = days(5)



#####
# Lock management defaults
#####

# These variables control certain aspects of lock acquisition and retention.
# They should be tuned as appropriate for your environment.  All variables are
# specified in units of floating point seconds.  YOU MAY NEED TO TUNE THESE
# VARIABLES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF YOUR LISTS, THE PERFORMANCE OF YOUR
# HARDWARE, NETWORK AND GENERAL MAIL HANDLING CAPABILITIES, ETC.

# Set this to true to turn on MailList object lock debugging messages, which
# will be written to logs/locks.  If you think you're having lock problems, or
# just want to tune the locks for your system, turn on lock debugging.
LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING = 0

# This variable specifies how long the lock will be retained for a specific
# operation on a mailing list.  Watch your logs/lock file and if you see a lot
# of lock breakages, you might need to bump this up.  However if you set this
# too high, a faulty script (or incorrect use of bin/withlist) can prevent the
# list from being used until the lifetime expires.  This is probably one of
# the most crucial tuning variables in the system.
LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(5)

# This variable specifies how long an attempt will be made to acquire a list
# lock by the qrunner process.  If the lock acquisition times out, the message
# will be re-queued for later delivery.
LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(10)

# cron/qrunner lock lifetime.  This is probably the second most crucial tuning
# variable in the system.  See the notes for LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME above.  Watch
# your logs/smtp file and make sure that QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME is set longer
# than the longest period you see here.  It is a bad thing if multiple
# qrunners run at the same time.
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(10)

# Two other qrunner resource management variables.  The first controls the
# maximum lifetime of any single qrunner process, and the second controls the
# maximum number of messages a single qrunner process will, er, process.
# Exceeding either limit causes qrunner to exit, reclaiming system resources
# and deleting the lock.  Other qrunners will then process the remaining
# messages.  Set either to None to inhibit this resource check.
QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(15)
QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 300



#####
# Nothing below here is user configurable.  Most of these values are in this
# file for convenience.  Don't change any of them or override any of them in
# your mm_cfg.py file!
#####

# These directories are used to find various important files in the Mailman
# installation.  PREFIX and EXEC_PREFIX are set by configure and should point
# to the installation directory of the Mailman package.
PYTHON  	= '/usr/bin/python'
PREFIX  	= '/home/mailman'
EXEC_PREFIX	= '${prefix}'
VAR_PREFIX	= '/home/mailman'

# Work around a bogus autoconf 2.12 bug
if EXEC_PREFIX == '${prefix}':
    EXEC_PREFIX = PREFIX

# CGI extension, change using configure script
CGIEXT = ''

# Group id that group-owns the Mailman installation
MAILMAN_UID = 503
MAILMAN_GID = 503

# Enumeration for types of configurable variables in Mailman.
Toggle     = 1
Radio      = 2
String     = 3
Text       = 4
Email      = 5
EmailList  = 6
Host       = 7
Number     = 8
FileUpload = 9

# Held message disposition actions, for use between admindb.py and
# ListAdmin.py.
DEFER = 0
APPROVE = 1
REJECT = 2
DISCARD = 3
SUBSCRIBE = 4

# Standard text field width
TEXTFIELDWIDTH = 40

# Bitfield for user options
Digests             = 0 # handled by other mechanism, doesn't need a flag.
DisableDelivery     = 1
DontReceiveOwnPosts = 2 # Non-digesters only
AcknowledgePosts    = 4
DisableMime         = 8 # Digesters only
ConcealSubscription = 16

# Useful directories
LIST_DATA_DIR	= os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'lists')
HTML_DIR	= os.path.join(PREFIX, 'public_html')
CGI_DIR 	= os.path.join(EXEC_PREFIX, 'cgi-bin')
LOG_DIR 	= os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'logs')
LOCK_DIR	= os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'locks')
DATA_DIR	= os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'data')
QUEUE_DIR       = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'qfiles')
SPAM_DIR        = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'spam')
WRAPPER_DIR	= os.path.join(EXEC_PREFIX, 'mail')
SCRIPTS_DIR	= os.path.join(PREFIX, 'scripts')
TEMPLATE_DIR	= os.path.join(PREFIX, 'templates')
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR  = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'public')
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'private')

SITE_PW_FILE = os.path.join(DATA_DIR, 'adm.pw')

# Import a bunch of version numbers
from Version import *

----------------------------- mm_cfg.py -----------------------------

# -*- python -*-

# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

"""This module contains your site-specific settings.

>From a brand new distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py.  If you
already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you
want.  Mailman's installation procedure will never overwrite your mm_cfg.py
file.

The complete set of distributed defaults, with documentation, are in the file
Defaults.py.  In mm_cfg.py, override only those you want to change, after the

  from Defaults import *

line (see below).

Note that these are just default settings; many can be overridden via the
administrator and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis.

"""

###############################################
# Here's where we get the distributed defaults.

from Defaults import *

##################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.




From mesh at speakeasy.org  Sat Apr 14 18:35:15 2001
From: mesh at speakeasy.org (Mike Chambers)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:35:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not getting sent to list
Message-ID: <009901c0c500$e35f7650$0500a8c0@macromediamesh>

I have set up mailman on linux using sendmail.

I set up a test account, and when i email to the account, the email is
logged into the archive, but it never gets sent to the list. I also don't
receive any email errors.

Anyone have any idea what might be going on, or where I should look to find
out (i.e. log files, etc). There is nothing in the mailmain/logs/errors
file.

thanks...

mike c

mesh at speakeasy.org




From renn at mail.cy1000.com.tw  Sat Apr 14 19:07:31 2001
From: renn at mail.cy1000.com.tw (Chih-Renn Chen)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:07:31 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not getting sent to list
Message-ID: <200104141707.f3EH7VA24050@mail.cy1000.com.tw>

   I think it's maybe you registered as digested members...

   , Renn



From mpm at norwottuck.com  Sat Apr 14 19:33:19 2001
From: mpm at norwottuck.com (Michelle Murrain)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:33:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not getting sent to list
In-Reply-To: <009901c0c500$e35f7650$0500a8c0@macromediamesh>
References: <009901c0c500$e35f7650$0500a8c0@macromediamesh>
Message-ID: <01041413331900.01288@chicago.murrain.net>

On Saturday 14 April 2001 12:35 pm, Mike Chambers wrote:
> I have set up mailman on linux using sendmail.
>
> I set up a test account, and when i email to the account, the email is
> logged into the archive, but it never gets sent to the list. I also don't
> receive any email errors.
>
> Anyone have any idea what might be going on, or where I should look to find
> out (i.e. log files, etc). There is nothing in the mailmain/logs/errors
> file.
>
Might try looking in your MTA (sendmail, exim, whatever) log files 
(/var/log/mail/...)

Michelle

-- 
------------
Michelle Murrain, Ph.D.
President
Norwottuck Technology Resources
mpm at norwottuck.com
http://www.norwottuck.com



From orion at deathcon.com  Sat Apr 14 19:51:29 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not getting sent to list
In-Reply-To: <009901c0c500$e35f7650$0500a8c0@macromediamesh>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104141050360.5887-100000@mail>

Double check all the crontab entries, and manually test the
alias added for the test list. Wierd that it goes into the archive,
but does not get mailed out...

Steve
--
Steve Pirk
orion at deathcon.com . deathcon.com . pirk.com . webops.com . t2servers.com 

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Mike Chambers wrote:

> I have set up mailman on linux using sendmail.
> 
> I set up a test account, and when i email to the account, the email is
> logged into the archive, but it never gets sent to the list. I also don't
> receive any email errors.
> 
> Anyone have any idea what might be going on, or where I should look to find
> out (i.e. log files, etc). There is nothing in the mailmain/logs/errors
> file.
> 
> thanks...
> 
> mike c
> 
> mesh at speakeasy.org
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From jessek at speakeasy.org  Sat Apr 14 20:56:38 2001
From: jessek at speakeasy.org (Jesse Kornblum)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:56:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not getting sent to list
Message-ID: <3AD89D66.D7022D0A@speakeasy.org>

Mike Chambers wrote:

> I set up a test account, and when i email to the account, the email is
logged
> into the archive, but it never gets sent to the list. I also don't
receive
> any email errors.

Stupid question (along the lines of "is it plugged in?"): Is the test
account
subscribed to the e-mail list in question? You can check this by doing:

$ /home/mailman/bin/list_members [listname]

(My apologies for even asking this, but like all tech support calls, you
have
to start with the most basic errors...) :)


> Anyone have any idea what might be going on, or where I should look to
find
> out (i.e. log files, etc). There is nothing in the mailmain/logs/errors
file.

Then perhaps checking that mail can get from your computer to the test
account

$ mail -s "test message" [test-account] < /etc/motd

Check your mail queue to see if there's anything stuck in there

$ mailq

And finally check the mail log itself to see if there's any problems in
there

$ less /var/log/maillog      [for Sendmail, your MTA may be different]


(And one other possible idea: Speakeasy was having some wicked bad
problems
with DNS recently that have seriously delayed mail delivery coming out of
mail.speakeasy.org and mail.speakeasy.net. Maybe it's just held up on
their
end...)

--
- Jesse

  People protest against fur instead of leather because
  it's safer to dump paint on rich women than bikers.





From carol at dpd1.com  Sat Apr 14 22:36:40 2001
From: carol at dpd1.com (Carol)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:36:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] posts not being mailed
Message-ID: <3AD8B4D8.257B32B2@dpd1.com>

I am a new and inexperienced user of Mailman.  I have gone over and over
and over the settings, but mail is not being sent to subscribers.  Any
suggestions as to what to look for?  Where do I begin?  Thanks, Carol E.




From mesh at speakeasy.org  Sat Apr 14 23:41:15 2001
From: mesh at speakeasy.org (Mike Chambers)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:41:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not getting sent to list
References: <3AD89D66.D7022D0A@speakeasy.org>
Message-ID: <00ec01c0c52b$c4e017e0$0500a8c0@macromediamesh>

I found the problem, the link to the "wrapper" program in /etc/aliases was
wrong.

thanks for all of the help...

mike

mesh at speakeasy.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Kornblum" <jessek at speakeasy.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mail not getting sent to list


>
> Mike Chambers wrote:
>
> > I set up a test account, and when i email to the account, the email is
> logged
> > into the archive, but it never gets sent to the list. I also don't
> receive
> > any email errors.
>
> Stupid question (along the lines of "is it plugged in?"): Is the test
> account
> subscribed to the e-mail list in question? You can check this by doing:
>
> $ /home/mailman/bin/list_members [listname]
>
> (My apologies for even asking this, but like all tech support calls, you
> have
> to start with the most basic errors...) :)
>
>
> > Anyone have any idea what might be going on, or where I should look to
> find
> > out (i.e. log files, etc). There is nothing in the mailmain/logs/errors
> file.
>
> Then perhaps checking that mail can get from your computer to the test
> account
>
> $ mail -s "test message" [test-account] < /etc/motd
>
> Check your mail queue to see if there's anything stuck in there
>
> $ mailq
>
> And finally check the mail log itself to see if there's any problems in
> there
>
> $ less /var/log/maillog      [for Sendmail, your MTA may be different]
>
>
> (And one other possible idea: Speakeasy was having some wicked bad
> problems
> with DNS recently that have seriously delayed mail delivery coming out of
> mail.speakeasy.org and mail.speakeasy.net. Maybe it's just held up on
> their
> end...)
>
> --
> - Jesse
>
>   People protest against fur instead of leather because
>   it's safer to dump paint on rich women than bikers.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From traci at traciscottage.com  Sun Apr 15 15:09:01 2001
From: traci at traciscottage.com (Traci)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:09:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie questions
Message-ID: <00b301c0c5ad$3eba8880$dab3fc9e@home>

Hello,
I just joined this list, as I'm considering the mailman software to run my email lists.   I have a basic question that I can't seem to find the answer to:   
Once installed, how many lists can I create with this software?    

I know that I will have more questions - but for now, that is the biggest issue for me in whether or not to use this software.    Thanks!

_________________________________
Traci, <))><  Homeschooling WAHM of 6
Reversal Blessings email list sub/unsub info:  www.reversalblessings.com 
Christian Moms email list sub/unsub info:  www.traciscottage.com/christianmoms.htm
Preschool-at-Home email list sub/unsub info:  www.preschool-at-home.com/emaillist.htm
My business site:  www.samilywebdesign.com
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From traci at traciscottage.com  Sun Apr 15 16:23:30 2001
From: traci at traciscottage.com (Traci)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:23:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installed?  Now what?
Message-ID: <00cf01c0c5b7$a635bac0$dab3fc9e@home>

Hello,
I used the auto-installer (iWeb), ran the test (all was fine) and then
installed the script.   The progress page doesn't looked like it
completed....it says "working.......FTP Summary" but the status bar says
done.  There's nothing at the end of the FTP report giving me instructions
as to what to do, or saying it's installed.   Yet when I check my
directory - it's all there.

Assuming that it did install properly, I don't have a clue what to do next.
How do I access the admin panel to begin setting up lists?
_________________________________
Traci, <))><  Homeschooling WAHM of 6





From braker at danenet.wicip.org  Sun Apr 15 19:57:00 2001
From: braker at danenet.wicip.org (Steve Braker)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:57:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Protection from autoresponder loop?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104151253370.28243-100000@danenet.danenet.org>

I was surprised this morning to find a Yahoo list that I manage send out
300 copies of copies of copies because a subscriber had an autoresponder
turned on.  Surprised because I would have assumed there was some
automatic detection and blocking of this sort of thing.

So my question is this: if I move that list to a Mailman list, could the
same thing happen?  Is there something  need to do to avoid it (other than
educating subscribers, which doesn'tseem to work too well).

Thanks,

Steve Braker




From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Sun Apr 15 20:32:27 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:32:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installed?  Now what?
In-Reply-To: <00cf01c0c5b7$a635bac0$dab3fc9e@home>; from traci@traciscottage.com on Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 09:23:30AM -0500
References: <00cf01c0c5b7$a635bac0$dab3fc9e@home>
Message-ID: <20010415203227.A21864@uttnarag.arago>

Quoting Traci, <traci at traciscottage.com>:
> Hello,
> I used the auto-installer (iWeb), ran the test (all was fine) and then
> installed the script.   The progress page doesn't looked like it
> completed....it says "working.......FTP Summary" but the status bar says
> done.  There's nothing at the end of the FTP report giving me instructions
> as to what to do, or saying it's installed.   Yet when I check my
> directory - it's all there.
> 
> Assuming that it did install properly, I don't have a clue what to do next.
> How do I access the admin panel to begin setting up lists?

I _think_ you're confusing the GNU mailinglist software Mailman and iWeb's
Bulk emailer also called 'mailman' (a rather unfortunate coincidence).

This is the mailinglist that deals with GNU Mailman. Most likely the
people at iWeb are able to help you further.

\Geert.
-- 
Geert Altena | geert at suespammers.org | Sending UBE/UCE probibited
My PGPkeyId : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 | by Californian law
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - (Niels Bohr)



From bonadonna at sxu.edu  Sun Apr 15 22:59:50 2001
From: bonadonna at sxu.edu (Angelo Bonadonna)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:59:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not posting
Message-ID: <v04210126b6ffb77a3ea0@[192.168.181.254]>

Hi--I've got what seems to be a common problem:  Everything seems to be working fine, but messages won't get sent--and there are no error messages (in mailman/logs or /var/log/maillog).  I'm pretty sure the aliases, wrapper, etc. are all correct and in working order.

There are files in mailman/qfiles. I checked to be sure crontab was installed.  /var/log/maillog says the mail was sent.  (BTW: is there anyway to manually send queued messages?)

Here's my configuation

Mailman 2.0.3
Python 2.0
Sendmail: 8.9
Redhat Linux 6.0

(Note:  I've gotten this same set of versions of software to work on a backup box I experiment with.  I'm pretty convinced I have a sendmail problem, though I don't know what it could be.  Sendmail is indeed functioning for _most_ of its other purposes.  It works fine, e.g., in sending list creation and subscription notices.)  Help!  Angelo



From bonadonna at sxu.edu  Sun Apr 15 23:13:03 2001
From: bonadonna at sxu.edu (Angelo Bonadonna)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:13:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not posting
Message-ID: <v04210127b6ffbe13cb81@[192.168.181.254]>

Strike that!  It does seem to be a cron problem, though I still don't know how to fix it.  Once I gave the queue command:

/usr/local/Python-2.0/python -S /usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/cron/qrunner

all the messages got sent.  But why isn't my mailman crontab file working, and why aren't the messages being sent immediately, instead of being queued?

But I'm greatly relieved to have found the problem, or at least a way to fix it (with a different cron approach (e.g., using /etc/crontab) than the installed file??).  Angelo

>X-Sender: bonadonna at mail.sxu.edu
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>From: Angelo Bonadonna <bonadonna at sxu.edu>
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not posting
>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.3 (101270)
>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:59:50 -0600
>X-RCPT-TO: <bonadonna at sxu.edu>
>Status: U
>
>Hi--I've got what seems to be a common problem:  Everything seems to be working fine, but messages won't get sent--and there are no error messages (in mailman/logs or /var/log/maillog).  I'm pretty sure the aliases, wrapper, etc. are all correct and in working order.
>
>There are files in mailman/qfiles. I checked to be sure crontab was installed.  /var/log/maillog says the mail was sent.  (BTW: is there anyway to manually send queued messages?)
>
>Here's my configuation
>
>Mailman 2.0.3
>Python 2.0
>Sendmail: 8.9
>Redhat Linux 6.0
>
>(Note:  I've gotten this same set of versions of software to work on a backup box I experiment with.  I'm pretty convinced I have a sendmail problem, though I don't know what it could be.  Sendmail is indeed functioning for _most_ of its other purposes.  It works fine, e.g., in sending list creation and subscription notices.)  Help!  Angelo
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at  Sun Apr 15 22:36:05 2001
From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:36:05 +0200 (MES)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Protection from autoresponder loop?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104151253370.28243-100000@danenet.danenet.org> from
 Steve Braker at "Apr 15, 2001 12:57:00 pm"
Message-ID: <200104152036.WAA93408@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>

According to Steve Braker:
> [Autoresponder]
> So my question is this: if I move that list to a Mailman list, could the
> same thing happen?

Of course, there is nothing to prevent any software devloper to develop
idiotic auto responders.  If Mailman had an idiot-proof filter for such
things, someone would invent a better idiot to circumvent the filter.

>  Is there something  need to do to avoid it (other than
> educating subscribers, which doesn'tseem to work too well).

Mechanisms that put messages on hold when a sender already posted
more than N messages could help.

+gg
 
-- 
Gerhard.Gonter at wu-wien.ac.at  Fax: +43/1/31336/702  g.gonter at ieee.org
Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria



From orion at deathcon.com  Sun Apr 15 21:37:23 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:37:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SendDigests error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104151231380.10948-100000@mail>

I have gotten this error twice in the past two days...
I am trying to track down which list may be generating it, but
so far no luck. The only thing of note is that the machine was 
rebooted 2 days ago (power outage). The box is called mail along
with other names...

From: Mailman <mailman at mail>
To: mailman at mail
Subject: cron: /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 53, in send_list_digest
    ToDigest.inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 170, in
inject_digest
    msg = digest.asMIME()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 242, in asMIME
    return self.Present(mime=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 254, in Present
    envboundary = mimetools.choose_boundary()
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/mimetools.py", line 116, in choose_boundary
    hostid = socket.gethostbyname(socket.gethostname())
socket.error: host not found

Any ideas? It is complaining that some host is not found... Regular
list messages work ok... 

--
Steve Pirk
orion at deathcon.com . deathcon.com . pirk.com . webops.com . t2servers.com 






From bonadonna at sxu.edu  Mon Apr 16 01:50:13 2001
From: bonadonna at sxu.edu (Angelo Bonadonna)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:50:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not posting
Message-ID: <v0421012eb6ffe26453c0@[192.168.181.254]>

Sorry for carrying on a conversation with myself--but I wanted to give the details of this situation, in case it might, indirectly, assist someone else.  (I benefited by looking through the archives, so someone else who has the same problem as me might as well.)  It turns out my problem was with cron.  Unbeknownst to me it wasn't functioning--at all, anywhere on the machine (I know it used to, but I had removed all my crontab files).  Anyway, I restarted cron (on my  machine: "/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S40crond stop" followed by "/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S40crond start") and now it's working.  So, thanks for listening, while I beat the problem out of the bushes.  Angelo

>Strike that!  It does seem to be a cron problem, though I still don't know how to fix it.  Once I gave the queue command:
>
>/usr/local/Python-2.0/python -S /usr/local/apache/htdocs/mailman/cron/qrunner
>
>all the messages got sent.  But why isn't my mailman crontab file working, and why aren't the messages being sent immediately, instead of being queued?
>
>But I'm greatly relieved to have found the problem, or at least a way to fix it (with a different cron approach (e.g., using /etc/crontab) than the installed file??).  Angelo
>
>>X-Sender: bonadonna at mail.sxu.edu
>>To: mailman-users at python.org
>>From: Angelo Bonadonna <bonadonna at sxu.edu>
>>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not posting
>>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.3 (101270)
>>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:59:50 -0600
>>X-RCPT-TO: <bonadonna at sxu.edu>
>>Status: U
>>
>>Hi--I've got what seems to be a common problem:  Everything seems to be working fine, but messages won't get sent--and there are no error messages (in mailman/logs or /var/log/maillog).  I'm pretty sure the aliases, wrapper, etc. are all correct and in working order.
>>
>>There are files in mailman/qfiles. I checked to be sure crontab was installed.  /var/log/maillog says the mail was sent.  (BTW: is there anyway to manually send queued messages?)
>>
>>Here's my configuation
>>
>>Mailman 2.0.3
>>Python 2.0
>>Sendmail: 8.9
>>Redhat Linux 6.0
>>
>>(Note:  I've gotten this same set of versions of software to work on a backup box I experiment with.  I'm pretty convinced I have a sendmail problem, though I don't know what it could be.  Sendmail is indeed functioning for _most_ of its other purposes.  It works fine, e.g., in sending list creation and subscription notices.)  Help!  Angelo
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



From druding at straw.com  Mon Apr 16 04:41:27 2001
From: druding at straw.com (S. C. Druding)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:41:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Bad Names" that won't Unsub
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010415193549.03ba6ec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I just transferred a large mailing list to MailMan and it has picked up a 
few weird looking addresses.
My list is an ANNOUNCE-ONLY list with no responding traffic. I use it to 
send out a Quilting Newsletter to several thousand subscribers.

I don't seem to be able to delete them in the Admin. Controls area?

Is there another trick to doing this?

Some examples:

"georgiesgirl "@thevision.net - can't get rid of that " in the center, 
should be georgiesgirl at thevision.net

And then there are some others which default to "Digest" due to the error?

Example: (this one insists on keeping the "digest" box checked)
mpoletti at wfubmc.edu "marcy a.

I cannot delete it and remove the "marcy a.    section.

Thanks for any help and advice.



Susan

Susan Druding - www.equilters.com

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From druding at straw.com  Mon Apr 16 04:53:52 2001
From: druding at straw.com (S. C. Druding)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:53:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Bad Names" that won't Unsub
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010415195321.02486980@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I just transferred a large mailing list to MailMan and it has picked up a 
few weird looking addresses.
My list is an ANNOUNCE-ONLY list with no responding traffic. I use it to 
send out a Quilting Newsletter to several thousand subscribers.

I don't seem to be able to delete them in the Admin. Controls area?

Is there another trick to doing this?

Some examples:

"georgiesgirl "@thevision.net - can't get rid of that " in the center, 
should be georgiesgirl at thevision.net

And then there are some others which default to "Digest" due to the error?

Example: (this one insists on keeping the "digest" box checked)
mpoletti at wfubmc.edu "marcy a.

I cannot delete it and remove the "marcy a.    section.

Thanks for any help and advice.



Susan


Susan Druding

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From druding at straw.com  Mon Apr 16 04:58:53 2001
From: druding at straw.com (S. C. Druding)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:58:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Bad Names" that won't Unsub
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010415195846.024ddb20@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I just transferred a large mailing list to MailMan and it has picked up a 
few weird looking addresses.
My list is an ANNOUNCE-ONLY list with no responding traffic. I use it to 
send out a Quilting Newsletter to several thousand subscribers.

I don't seem to be able to delete them in the Admin. Controls area?

Is there another trick to doing this?

Some examples:

"georgiesgirl "@thevision.net - can't get rid of that " in the center, 
should be georgiesgirl at thevision.net

And then there are some others which default to "Digest" due to the error?

Example: (this one insists on keeping the "digest" box checked)
mpoletti at wfubmc.edu "marcy a.

I cannot delete it and remove the "marcy a.    section.

Thanks for any help and advice.



Susan


Susan Druding




From druding at straw.com  Mon Apr 16 05:08:46 2001
From: druding at straw.com (S. C. Druding)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:08:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Bad Names" that won't Unsub
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010415195846.024ddb20@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I just transferred a large mailing list to MailMan and it has picked up a 
few weird looking addresses.
My list is an ANNOUNCE-ONLY list with no responding traffic. I use it to 
send out a Quilting Newsletter to several thousand subscribers.

I don't seem to be able to delete them in the Admin. Controls area?

Is there another trick to doing this?

Some examples:

"georgiesgirl "@thevision.net - can't get rid of that " in the center, 
should be georgiesgirl at thevision.net

And then there are some others which default to "Digest" due to the error?

Example: (this one insists on keeping the "digest" box checked)
mpoletti at wfubmc.edu "marcy a.

I cannot delete it and remove the "marcy a.    section.

Thanks for any help and advice.



Susan


Susan Druding




From ian at ians.net  Mon Apr 16 05:23:35 2001
From: ian at ians.net (Ian McNish)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:23:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: can't get into admin or listinfo under iplanet
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104131214090.5764-100000@oz>
Message-ID: <3ADA65B7.F2AF4181@ians.net>

> i'm using mailman 2.0.3, python 2.0, and iplanet 4.1 on solaris. i
> realize that this is most likely a configuration issue, but i can't
> seem to get it corrected. when i go to http://[my
> host]//mailman/admin i get binary'ish output. when i go to http://[my
> host]//mailman/admin/test i get a not found error and iplanet logs the
> following to the error log:
> 
> [13/Apr/2001:12:17:03] warning (  332): for host [my host] trying
> to GET /mailman/admin/test, send-file
> reports: /export/WWWs/mailman/cgi-bin/admin/test not found
> 
> any help would be appreciated.





when running either admin or listinfo by hand (as the web user) i find
that i'm getting the following output:

$ ./listinfo test
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.3 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/export/WWWs/mailman/scripts/driver", line 71, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/export/WWWs/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49,
in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/export/WWWs/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in
__init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/export/WWWs/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in
__get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/mailman/logs/error'
Content-type: text/html

<head><title>Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3</title></head>
<body bgcolor=#ffffff><h2>Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3</h2>
<p><h3>We're sorry, we hit a bug!</h3>

<p>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this
problem.  Printing of traceback and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
Mailman error logs.
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.0 (#1, Apr 12 2001, 18:56:42) [C]
sys.executable = /local/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /local
sys.exec_prefix= /local
sys.path       = /local
sys.platform   = sunos5
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        _: ./listinfo
        PYTHONPATH: /export/WWWs/mailman
        HOME: /export/WWW
        PWD: /export/WWWs/mailman/cgi-bin
        TZ: US/Pacific
        LOGNAME: www
        SHELL: /bin/ksh
        TERM: vt220
        HZ: 




any help would be appreciated.



From bakker1137 at zonnet.nl  Mon Apr 16 14:25:22 2001
From: bakker1137 at zonnet.nl (Peter Bakker)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:25:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rachel Morgan
Message-ID: <000801c0c670$51315c00$5e9d3b3e@oemcomputer>

Please don't mail me pictures

Thanks

J.P. Bakker
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From pug at pug.net  Mon Apr 16 15:52:09 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:52:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two "newbie" questions...
Message-ID: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net>

Good Morning,

  I am in the process of converting my site over from Majordomo to
  Mailman. In the process I have hit two snags that I can't figure out
  how to get around.

  1) When adding all the members, they are getting one password per
     list. This seems highly undesirable. Is there a way for a user, or
     preferably the site administrator, to synchronize their passwords
     for all the lists to be the same?

  2) How can I setup an umbrella list with the following features:
     
     1) The lists that it is an umbrella for only allow member posting
     2) The umbrella is moderated
     3) The umbrella posts through the lists once it is moderated *without*
        the need for the list admin for each sub-list to approve it.

     I was able to do this with Majordomo by just having the include
     files listed instead of the list name. I don't see how to do this
     with mailman.

  I appreciate any help in these matters and hope to be able to
  contribute more than just questions real soon now. (I'm already
  starting on a replacement for newlist that allows you to set more
  features at the start. Unfortunately I don't know python yet so it's a
  perl wrapper.)

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From deckm at themule.cleansoft.net  Mon Apr 16 15:09:27 2001
From: deckm at themule.cleansoft.net (Michael Deck)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:09:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Bad Names" that won't Unsub
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010415195846.024ddb20@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010415195846.024ddb20@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <01041607092700.06646@themule.cleansoft.net>

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, S. C. Druding wrote:
> I just transferred a large mailing list to MailMan and it has picked up a
> few weird looking addresses.
> My list is an ANNOUNCE-ONLY list with no responding traffic. I use it to
> send out a Quilting Newsletter to several thousand subscribers.
>
> I don't seem to be able to delete them in the Admin. Controls area?
>
> Is there another trick to doing this?
>
> Some examples:
>
> "georgiesgirl "@thevision.net - can't get rid of that " in the center,
> should be georgiesgirl at thevision.net
>
> And then there are some others which default to "Digest" due to the error?
>
> Example: (this one insists on keeping the "digest" box checked)
> mpoletti at wfubmc.edu "marcy a.
>
> I cannot delete it and remove the "marcy a.    section.
>
> Thanks for any help and advice.
>
>
>
> Susan
>
>
> Susan Druding
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

I had this happen to me too, and I resolved it by going to the command line 
with 

  bin/remove_members listname '"georgiesgirl "@thevision.net'

The quoting is obviously a problem for the admin but not for the 
command-line. 

============================================================

Michael Deck  **  deckm at cleansoft.com        **   Assessment

Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.         **    Training

Quality Improvement -- Cost Reduction        ** Consultation 

tel. 303-494-3152  fax. 303-494-3026         **        Tools

http://www.cleansoft.com                     **  Development

ftp://ftp.cleansoft.com/docs                 **     Research




From neil at zenplex.com  Mon Apr 16 16:38:31 2001
From: neil at zenplex.com (Neil Powers)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <3ADB03E7.BEC469DE@zenplex.com>

unsubscribe


--
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Zenplex Inc.
317 Madison Ave. suite 1500
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(212)499-0668 Ext. 2515
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From braker at danenet.wicip.org  Mon Apr 16 17:52:49 2001
From: braker at danenet.wicip.org (Steve Braker)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:52:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Protection from autoresponder loop?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104161052300.5429-100000@danenet.danenet.org>

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Gerhard Gonter wrote:

> Mechanisms that put messages on hold when a sender already posted
> more than N messages could help.

That sounds good, but is there some such thing hidden in MailMan?  Ir out
in plain view where I can'tfind it?

"max_posts_between_bounces (bounce): Maximum number of messages your list
gets in an hour. (Yes, bounce detection finds this info useful)" - this
sounds like it would at least slow down the barrage until the admin got to
do something.  But suppose the admin is away for 2 weeks...

Thanks,

-- 
-- Steve Braker -- WORTHWHILE FILMS -- media production for nonprofits --
-- +001 608-635-7170 -- braker at worthwhilefilms.com -- Poynette, WI USA --
                                                                       --





From Denise.Downs at sc.siemens.com  Mon Apr 16 21:35:50 2001
From: Denise.Downs at sc.siemens.com (Downs Denise)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Siemens Corp.
Message-ID: <A77631CD7F3FD31184550800060D952E04BED9B8@maildepo.sc.siemens.com>

We have an intranet webpage with incorrect information.   It is our HRC
mailing list information.  How do I change, or request to change, the
information on this list?
Thank you,
Denise Nadvornik-Downs
Human Resources, Siemens Corporation
Tel. 212-258-4193
Fax 212-767-0583




From cht at ccil.org  Mon Apr 16 23:15:06 2001
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:15:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT - how can I get a text list of subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002601c0c366$45f46920$db63d6d1@glennettehome>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104161713350.11716-100000@mercury.ccil.org>

Hi,

What happens if you have messages sent by approval of the admin.  in the
privacy section?

Del








From cht at ccil.org  Mon Apr 16 23:26:59 2001
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:26:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Rude response! & I got my subscriber list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104121855020.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104161725270.11716-100000@mercury.ccil.org>

I don't think Roger was rude.  He just called it the way most of us see
it.

Del






From barry at digicool.com  Tue Apr 17 02:01:10 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:01:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
References: <15063.44012.655280.504033@anthem.wooz.org>
	<200104140238.f3E2clS23684@connactivity.connactivity.com>
Message-ID: <15067.34758.371357.900173@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TJ" == Todd Joseph <todd at connactivity.connactivity.com> writes:

    BW> The error your getting in the log file indicates that one of
    BW> the queued files is getting deleted out from under qrunner.
    BW> That could be because you're getting multiple qrunner
    BW> processes because of some locking failure, or because your
    BW> qrunner lock is getting stomped on.

    TJ> I kinda thought so.  Any ideas on what could cause that?

Are you running Mailman on an NFS mounted file system?  Locking
/shouldn't/ be susceptible to NFS issues, but it still isn't a
terribly good idea.

Another scenario is that you've cranked up your qrunner process
limits, but not appropriatedly adjusted your qrunner lock lifetime.
In that case, qrunner could be running for a long time, exceeding the
lock lifetime, and allowing a future cron started qrunner to break the
still running qrunner's lock.

The best way to see if this is happening is to edit cron/qrunner
around about line 274, where the LockFile instance is created.  Add an
argument "withlogging=1" to turn on lock file logging.  Then you'd
study the log to see if you get any "lock broken" messages.

    TJ> One more tidbit, I have set the "Action when critical or
    TJ> excessive bounces are detected" to "Do nothing" So, I do have
    TJ> a fair number of bogus addresses in my list.  My sendmail
    TJ> queue does get kinda large.  I've set it up this way out of
    TJ> paranoia in maintaining the integrity of the list (IE not
    TJ> removing valid email addresses).

I don't see how that could matter, even if it leaves bogus addresses
in your recipient lists.  Then again, I'll bet this isn't a well
tested option (the bouncer stuff is an area that I haven't had much
time to review).  Anything's possible, but it's unlikely if none of
the log files is indicating errors.

BTW, the default setting doesn't delete any bouncing emails from your
list -- it just disables them (currently exactly the same as setting
"no mail", but probably for 2.1 those will be distinguishable).

    TJ> OK, I'm bad.  I changed them in the Defaults.py file.  I tried
    TJ> to use the mm_cfg.py file, but ran into a problem (was a few
    TJ> months ago, don't remember what exactly happened).

I'd like to know about those, since changing mm_cfg.py is better.
Otherwise future upgrades could overwrite your changes.
    
    TJ> I've included a copy of my "Defaults.py" and "mm_cfg.py" at
    TJ> the bottom of this message for reference.

I'll take a look.

    BW> Which DELIVERY_MODULE are you using?

    TJ> SMTPDirect (would I be better off with Sendmail?)

Nope, you're using the right one.

    BW> Are you running a news gateway?

    TJ> No.

Okay, so it's not fork leakage (and there are fences for that one, but
you never know).  I'm leaning heavily toward qrunner contention.

-Barry



From daniel at imagenes.org  Tue Apr 17 04:52:26 2001
From: daniel at imagenes.org (Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1rquez?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:52:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help please!
Message-ID: <a05001900b7015f35405a@[192.168.1.7]>

Hi!
How can I remove (or edit) the lines before the date in the header like:

Reply-To:
List-Help:
List-Post:
List-Subscribe:
List-Id:
List-Unsubscribe:
List-Archive:

Thanks in advance.

dm
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From darius at wobbly.bofh.net.au  Tue Apr 17 05:04:26 2001
From: darius at wobbly.bofh.net.au (KevinL)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:04:26 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription hiding
Message-ID: <200104170304.NAA32637@wobbly.bofh.net.au>

Hi all,

I've had a request from someone I'm hosting a privacy-related list for, to 
disable the '/options/<listname>/<username>' functionality, or to at least 
make it such that people can't "probe" for addresses.  At the moment, I can 
tell whether a given address is or is not subscribed to the list by trying 
that url and seeing if I get a request for a password, or if I get a "user 
does not exist".  That seems mildly buggy - shouldn't it ask for a password 
regardless, and simply always fail if the user does not exist?  How would I go 
about changing the behaviour here? (any pointers to relevant sections of code 
to get me started appreciated, if that's what it takes)

TIA,
KevinL
-- 
Internet techie, Obsidian Consulting Group
Specialising in proxy issues and traffic measuring/billing.





From todd at connactivity.connactivity.com  Tue Apr 17 05:08:29 2001
From: todd at connactivity.connactivity.com (Todd Joseph)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:01:10 EDT."
             <15067.34758.371357.900173@anthem.wooz.org> 
Message-ID: <200104170308.f3H38TO02059@connactivity.connactivity.com>

BW>Are you running Mailman on an NFS mounted file system?  Locking
BW>/shouldn't/ be susceptible to NFS issues, but it still isn't a
BW>terribly good idea.

No -- all local filesystems.

BW>Another scenario is that you've cranked up your qrunner process
BW>limits, but not appropriatedly adjusted your qrunner lock lifetime.
BW>In that case, qrunner could be running for a long time, exceeding the
BW>lock lifetime, and allowing a future cron started qrunner to break the
BW>still running qrunner's lock.

Interesting.  I haven't adjusted any of this intentionally. 

BW>The best way to see if this is happening is to edit cron/qrunner
BW>around about line 274, where the LockFile instance is created.  Add an
BW>argument "withlogging=1" to turn on lock file logging.  Then you'd
BW>study the log to see if you get any "lock broken" messages.

OK, I'll try that. 

BW>    TJ> OK, I'm bad.  I changed them in the Defaults.py file.  I tried
BW>    TJ> to use the mm_cfg.py file, but ran into a problem (was a few
BW>    TJ> months ago, don't remember what exactly happened).
BW>
BW>I'd like to know about those, since changing mm_cfg.py is better.
BW>Otherwise future upgrades could overwrite your changes.

I'll letcha know. 

Thanks for all the help.

Todd




From barry at digicool.com  Tue Apr 17 05:20:29 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:20:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
References: <15067.34758.371357.900173@anthem.wooz.org>
	<200104170308.f3H38TO02059@connactivity.connactivity.com>
Message-ID: <15067.46717.691410.181512@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TJ" == Todd Joseph <todd at connactivity.connactivity.com> writes:

    TJ> I'll letcha know.

    TJ> Thanks for all the help.

Cool, no problem.

-Barry



From jessek at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 17 05:27:28 2001
From: jessek at speakeasy.org (Jesse Kornblum)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:27:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription hiding
In-Reply-To: <200104170304.NAA32637@wobbly.bofh.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104162322340.10572-100000@scarecrow.dcrandoms.org>

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, KevinL wrote:

> I've had a request from someone I'm hosting a privacy-related list
> for, to disable the '/options/<listname>/<username>' functionality, or
> to at least make it such that people can't "probe" for addresses.  At
> the moment, I can tell whether a given address is or is not subscribed
> to the list by trying that url and seeing if I get a request for a
> password, or if I get a "user does not exist".  That seems mildly
> buggy - shouldn't it ask for a password regardless, and simply always
> fail if the user does not exist?

This is a fantastic idea, and to be honest, I would also like to see such
a feature implemented in v2.1. At the same time, however, this mailing
list is probably not really the place to request a feature. (We seem to
spend a lot of time talking about configuration issues rather than
hardcore programming...)

Feature requests would probably be better off on mailman-developers or as
an actual feature request on the mailman site on Sourceforge. The URL for
feature requests is:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=350103&group_id=103&func=browse

Good luck! Please let us know if you can get this feature working! :)

-- 
Jesse

   If that's all you think are you
   then that's all you'll ever be





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Apr 17 08:39:41 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help:
	Duplicates with 2.0 final
In-Reply-To: <15067.34758.371357.900173@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <B701333D.7D01%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 4/16/01 5:01 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at digicool.com> wrote:

> Another scenario is that you've cranked up your qrunner process
> limits, but not appropriatedly adjusted your qrunner lock lifetime.

Or you haven't changed any of the limits, but the time it takes to send a
single message exceeds the lock lifetime. If the lock is set for ten hours,
and it takes you 12 hours to deliver a really large e-newsletter, for
instance, you're hosed. The lock lifetime has to be longer than the longest
possible processing time of any single queue item. If you've got 30-40,000
or more subscribers, you could very easily be exceeding that lifetime.

> BTW, the default setting doesn't delete any bouncing emails from your
> list -- it just disables them (currently exactly the same as setting
> "no mail", but probably for 2.1 those will be distinguishable).

I'm finding this is confusing a number of my users, so I changed all my
lists to deletion. They knew the mail stopped coming, they knew enough to
look and found themselves still subscribed, and didn't know what to do.

I guess it depends on what list server background you have. If you're
familiar with listserv and it's relatives that have nomail, this makes
sense. If you're coming from majordomo or have no real mlist experience, I
think it's confusing. And I'm not sure if it really buys you much (and
when/how do you decide to clean out your subscriber lists?)





From neuner at futureweb.at  Tue Apr 17 12:11:06 2001
From: neuner at futureweb.at (Futureweb.at - Patrick Bey-Neuner)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:11:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe without separate accepting it
Message-ID: <DDENKHFMFKPMPBIGKLMFGEBCCOAA.neuner@futureweb.at>

hi,

is there any way to let people subscribe to mailman
but don't have to double confirm it?

thanks
patrick

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From jcrey at uma.es  Tue Apr 17 12:54:43 2001
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:54:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-lingual lists
References: <a05010473b6fb21cb4b4e@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <3ADC20F3.E1FBD3CB@uma.es>

Andrew Brown wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have experience of running multi-lingual lists? I'd like
> list members to be able to choose the language of their web interface
> and for this choice to stick with them.

This is one of the new feature of next release of Mailman.
Wait for it.

If you are so unpatient, you can download CVS mailman and test it ;-)
Cheers
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From tkeller at bbn.com  Tue Apr 17 14:28:25 2001
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:28:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving archives?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010417082228.029dbe40@rospo1.bbn.com>

Good Morning,
   My company just went through a merger and we are losing all of our 
computers and purchasing new ones.  I have an older version mailman that I 
am using currently and have
just loaded the newest version of mailman on one of the five computers we 
are not losing.
   My question is, Would I be able to move the old archives to the new 
computer and be able to access the archives?  I only have a test list 
currently on the new machine.  I know the long way around is to create my 
own index pages for each archive but that would be a very extensive 
undertaking.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thankyou,
Tom Keller

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From grobin at nn.independent.co.za  Tue Apr 17 15:07:43 2001
From: grobin at nn.independent.co.za (Rob Gould)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:07:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer text not attached to messages
Message-ID: <028f01c0c73f$650705c0$6f5a58a4@nn.independent.co.za>

Hi all...I am doing some testing of my Mailman setup and have noticed that
the footer information only appears if the message is sent out in Plain Text
format (using OE5).  Does Mailman only handle text mails and not HTML
formatted mail?  Or is there a way to get the footer info onto a HTML mail?

Thanks.

Rob
grobin at nn.independent.co.za




From grobin at nn.independent.co.za  Tue Apr 17 15:09:40 2001
From: grobin at nn.independent.co.za (Rob Gould)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:09:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change generic technical info in welcome msg?
Message-ID: <029001c0c73f$a9b5b9a0$6f5a58a4@nn.independent.co.za>

Is there any way to change the generic technical info included in the
welcome msg?  I am only running a announcement list so do not need the
option to post messages.

Please reply to my e-mail below.

Thanks.

Rob
grobin at nn.independent.co.za




From jtrigg at huiekin.org  Tue Apr 17 15:22:02 2001
From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (jtrigg at huiekin.org)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:22:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription hiding
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104162322340.10572-100000@scarecrow.dcrandoms.org>; from jessek@speakeasy.org on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:27:28PM -0400
References: <200104170304.NAA32637@wobbly.bofh.net.au> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104162322340.10572-100000@scarecrow.dcrandoms.org>
Message-ID: <20010417092202.A19608@dozer.liquidweb.com>

On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:27:28PM -0400, Jesse Kornblum wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, KevinL wrote:
> 
> > I've had a request from someone I'm hosting a privacy-related list
> > for, to disable the '/options/<listname>/<username>' functionality, or
> > to at least make it such that people can't "probe" for addresses.  At
> > the moment, I can tell whether a given address is or is not subscribed
> > to the list by trying that url and seeing if I get a request for a
> > password, or if I get a "user does not exist".  That seems mildly
> > buggy - shouldn't it ask for a password regardless, and simply always
> > fail if the user does not exist?
> 
> This is a fantastic idea, and to be honest, I would also like to see such
> a feature implemented in v2.1. At the same time, however, this mailing
> list is probably not really the place to request a feature. (We seem to
> spend a lot of time talking about configuration issues rather than
> hardcore programming...)

Actually, the implementation I'd like to see is not having the username in
the URL at all.  Access '.../options/listname' and get prompted for username
and password.

Jim Trigg
Itinerant List Administrator
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From cburch at madison.k12.wi.us  Tue Apr 17 15:40:24 2001
From: cburch at madison.k12.wi.us (Chris Burch)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:40:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing List-* headers?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010417083653.00a6d6b0@madison.k12.wi.us>

Hello,

Sorry if this has been asked a million times; I browsed through 2001-04 
archive and didn't see anything (not a very thorough search, I admit)...

Anyway, I own a private list and my provider just switched to Mailman (yay) 
but my users hate all those List-* headers. Is there a way to remove or 
suppress them? Or am I repeating the Wish List item I think I saw but 
repressed...

Thanks!
Chris

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From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Tue Apr 17 15:42:43 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 17 Apr 2001 09:42:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer text not attached to messages
In-Reply-To: <028f01c0c73f$650705c0$6f5a58a4@nn.independent.co.za>
References: <028f01c0c73f$650705c0$6f5a58a4@nn.independent.co.za>
Message-ID: <987514994.2135.0.camel@kneel>

The footer is there, you just cant see it.

The footer is put after the closing html tag:

<html>
<body>
text of your email
</body>
</html>
your footer

Your footer is ignored by the mail client because it is not within the
html tags.

--Neil

On 17 Apr 2001 15:07:43 +0200, Rob Gould wrote:
> Hi all...I am doing some testing of my Mailman setup and have noticed that
> the footer information only appears if the message is sent out in Plain Text
> format (using OE5).  Does Mailman only handle text mails and not HTML
> formatted mail?  Or is there a way to get the footer info onto a HTML mail?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Rob
> grobin at nn.independent.co.za
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Tue Apr 17 15:53:57 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:53:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing List-* headers? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chris Burch <cburch@madison.k12.wi.us> 
   of "Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:40:24 CDT." <5.0.2.1.0.20010417083653.00a6d6b0@madison.k12.wi.us> 
Message-ID: <E14pVvZ-0007EO-00@rioja.localnet>

cburch at madison.k12.wi.us said:
> Anyway, I own a private list and my provider just switched to Mailman
> (yay)  but my users hate all those List-* headers. Is there a way to
> remove or  suppress them? Or am I repeating the Wish List item I think
> I saw but  repressed... 

Short answer: no

Long answer:
	1. Edit the source
	2. Strip them in your MTA

They are not going to be removed or made optional within the Mailman 
distribution.  If  people are seeing those headers directly then their 
MUAs are broken or misconfigured, and it is the MUAs that need fixing.

	Nigel.

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From grobin at nn.independent.co.za  Tue Apr 17 16:10:24 2001
From: grobin at nn.independent.co.za (Rob Gould)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:10:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request mail problems
Message-ID: <035901c0c748$254c3d20$6f5a58a4@nn.independent.co.za>

Hi...When a mail subscriber sends a request to my server such as "help", the reply he/she gets begins with the message saying that "there were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the administrative address...".  It then continues with the requested info.  I see that this only happens if the request was sent with the mail account settings set to html mail.  Is there a way around this?

Please reply to the address below.

Thanks.

Rob
grobin at nn.independent.co.za
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From J.A.F.v.d.Eijnde at euforce.tue.nl  Tue Apr 17 16:12:44 2001
From: J.A.F.v.d.Eijnde at euforce.tue.nl (Alexander van den Eijnde)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:12:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <00cc01c0c748$79127780$fe259b83@tue.nl>

Is there a way to get (as owner) the complete list of addresses on the
list.
Need to find some addresses, with the same @xxx.yyy.zz part and don't
want to get it with thirty apiece.
Please help

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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Apr 17 16:20:15 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:20:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing List-* headers?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010417083653.00a6d6b0@madison.k12.wi.us>; from cburch@madison.k12.wi.us on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 08:40:24AM -0500
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010417083653.00a6d6b0@madison.k12.wi.us>
Message-ID: <20010417092015.C13397@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 08:40:24AM -0500, Chris Burch wrote:
> Sorry if this has been asked a million times; I browsed through 2001-04 
> archive and didn't see anything (not a very thorough search, I admit)...

It has.  I'd say the 4 most frequently asked questions here are (in no
particular order):

- How do I get rid of the List-* headers?
- How do I set up a read-only list?
- How do I let users unsubscribe without a password?
- Why is my list complaining about "implicit destination"?

(OTOH, I couldn't find an iteration in the March or April archive to
point you at.  I'm sure this has come up at least once in the last
month and a half, but I suppose the archive probably has a better
memory than I do...  I found two iterations in February starting with
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-February/009345.html and
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-February/009605.html,
though.  The second one, "Mail headers with Mailman", got fragmented,
and also spun off a separate "Stupid Headers" thread so you'll have to
go back up to the threaded archive and search for the subject lines if
you want to see all of it.)

> Anyway, I own a private list and my provider just switched to Mailman (yay) 
> but my users hate all those List-* headers. Is there a way to remove or 
> suppress them?

No.  Well, not without changing the Mailman source, anyhow.  Some people
on the list (including me) are of the opinion that this is a Good Thing
as the List-* headers are RFC-compliant and are there for a reason and,
once all the other MLMs start including them and all mail clients start
treating them properly, the world will be a better place.  Other people
think it is a Bad Thing because their users have MUAs which display
any unrecognized headers by default, the MUAs don't recognize List-*
headers, and the list admins and/or their users want everything to work
the way it used to instead of upgrading to a smarter MUA or adding List-*
to the existing MUA's set of ignored headers.

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From pug at pug.net  Tue Apr 17 16:18:39 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:18:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting archives via email interface...
Message-ID: <20010417091839.A1543@stardock.pug.net>

Good Morning,

  I've already ran into problems with converting from Majordomo to
  Mailman. Besides the 2 issues I asked about yesterday, I have users
  who want to be able to get the archives via email. My looking didn't
  uncover this. Is it possible?

Ciao,

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From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Tue Apr 17 16:17:32 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 17 Apr 2001 10:17:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c0c748$79127780$fe259b83@tue.nl>
References: <00cc01c0c748$79127780$fe259b83@tue.nl>
Message-ID: <987517083.2131.3.camel@kneel>

There is a 'list_members' program in the /home/mailman/bin dir.  

try "/home/mailman/bin/list_members <listname> | grep xxx.yyy.zz"

I believe you can also send a message to the listname-request address
with 'who' in the subject. To get the users.

-neil

On 17 Apr 2001 16:12:44 +0200, Alexander van den Eijnde wrote:
> Is there a way to get (as owner) the complete list of addresses on the
> list.
> Need to find some addresses, with the same @xxx.yyy.zz part and don't
> want to get it with thirty apiece.
> Please help
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> Alexander van den Eijnde                     j.a.f.v.d.eijnde at tue.nl
> Eindhoven Univ. of Tech. IPO-0.18            tel + 31 40 247 5232
> POB.513, NL-5600 MB Eindhoven                fax         247 5291
> Video + 31 40 296 1215                      mobile +31 654 740 542
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From grobin at nn.independent.co.za  Tue Apr 17 16:29:55 2001
From: grobin at nn.independent.co.za (Rob Gould)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:29:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -request mail problem msg
Message-ID: <03eb01c0c74a$df249d80$6f5a58a4@nn.independent.co.za>

Hi...When a mail subscriber sends a request to my server such as "help", the
reply he/she gets begins with the message saying that "there were problems
with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the administrative
address...".  It then continues with the requested info.  I see that this
only happens if the request was sent with the mail account settings set to
html mail.  Is there a way around this?

Please reply to the address below.

Thanks.

Rob
grobin at nn.independent.co.za




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Tue Apr 17 16:30:06 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:30:06 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting archives via email interface...
In-Reply-To: <20010417091839.A1543@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104171624050.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

A workaround ...


On mailman, if archives are actived, you can get the mailbox (unix format)
 at the following URL :

http://server.domain.dom/pipermail/<listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox (if
 public) or $prefix/archives/private/<listname>.mbox

Then copy/paste its contents to the unix mailbox of the user(s)
 (/var/mail/<user> I mean), and then the user will get them (unix tool,
 pop, ....)


Hope this could help you,


Bye bye !

Phil.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Pug Bainter wrote:

>
> Good Morning,
>
>   I've already ran into problems with converting from Majordomo to
>   Mailman. Besides the 2 issues I asked about yesterday, I have users
>   who want to be able to get the archives via email. My looking didn't
>   uncover this. Is it possible?
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
> System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
>  Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
>  Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
> Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Tue Apr 17 16:49:31 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:49:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing List-* headers?
In-Reply-To: <20010417092015.C13397@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 09:20:15AM -0500
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010417083653.00a6d6b0@madison.k12.wi.us> <20010417092015.C13397@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010417164931.C29656@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl>

Quoting Dave Sherohman, <esper at sherohman.org>:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 08:40:24AM -0500, Chris Burch wrote:

[snip]

> > Anyway, I own a private list and my provider just switched to Mailman (yay) 
> > but my users hate all those List-* headers. Is there a way to remove or 
> > suppress them?
> 
> No.  Well, not without changing the Mailman source, anyhow.  Some people
> on the list (including me) are of the opinion that this is a Good Thing
> as the List-* headers are RFC-compliant and are there for a reason and,
> once all the other MLMs start including them and all mail clients start
> treating them properly, the world will be a better place.  Other people
> think it is a Bad Thing because their users have MUAs which display
> any unrecognized headers by default, the MUAs don't recognize List-*
> headers, and the list admins and/or their users want everything to work
> the way it used to instead of upgrading to a smarter MUA or adding List-*
> to the existing MUA's set of ignored headers.

I agree that the MUAs are at fault here also, however, what if those header
were changed to X-<something> headers? Most b0rken MUA would ignore them
then and smart MUA could still make use of them...

0.02 euro
\G.
-- 
Geert Altena | Geert at arago.utwente.nl | Coffee, black, no sugar
      Finger for PGPkey : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - Niels Bohr



From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Tue Apr 17 17:11:45 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:11:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing List-* headers? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Geert Altena <geert@arago.utwente.nl> 
   of "Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:49:31 +0200." <20010417164931.C29656@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl> 
Message-ID: <E14pX8r-0000In-00@rioja.localnet>

geert at arago.utwente.nl said:
> I agree that the MUAs are at fault here also, however, what if those
> header were changed to X-<something> headers? Most b0rken MUA would
> ignore them then and smart MUA could still make use of them... 

Can't do that - if you did then they wouldn't match the RFC describing 
them.  These headers are in to support a specific RFC - so they have a 
real use, should be handled by MUAs (which if they don't deal with that 
RFC should gracefully handle the excess headers), and cannot be 
modified to fit broken MUAs.

	Nigel.

-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Apr 17 17:00:47 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:30:47 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing List-* headers?
In-Reply-To: <20010417164931.C29656@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104172029470.1306-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Apr 17, 2001 at 16:49, Geert Altena wrote:

>I agree that the MUAs are at fault here also, however, what if those header
>were changed to X-<something> headers? Most b0rken MUA would ignore them
>then and smart MUA could still make use of them...

I believe the standard called for non-X headers. X-headers are for
eXtensions, and the List- headers are not extensions.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
The number one computer bug is mankind!




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Apr 17 16:59:42 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:29:42 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request mail problems
In-Reply-To: <035901c0c748$254c3d20$6f5a58a4@nn.independent.co.za>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104172028370.1306-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

[posted and mailed]

On Apr 17, 2001 at 16:10, Rob Gould wrote:

>Hi...When a mail subscriber sends a request to my server such as
>"help", the reply he/she gets begins with the message saying that
>"there were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
>the administrative address...".  It then continues with the
>requested info.  I see that this only happens if the request was
>sent with the mail account settings set to html mail.  Is there a
>way around this?

Send the help message in plain text. Looks like mailman is responding
to the junk that comes with HTML messages.

>Please reply to the address below.
>grobin at nn.independent.co.za

-- 
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US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
Due to circumstances beyond our control, we regret to inform you that
circumstances are beyond our control. --Paul Benoit




From jason-dated-7d012d82bc077211 at mastaler.com  Tue Apr 17 18:03:03 2001
From: jason-dated-7d012d82bc077211 at mastaler.com (Jason R. Mastaler)
Date: 17 Apr 2001 16:03:03 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python-2.1 Compatibility?
Message-ID: <20010417160303.2656.qmail@nightshade.la.mastaler.com>

I tried upgrading to Python-2.1 this morning, and qrunner didn't seem
to like this:

From: root (Cron Daemon)
Subject: Cron <mailman at sclp3> /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner
To: mailman
Date: 17 Apr 2001 15:49:00 -0000

/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner:0: SyntaxWarning: name '_listcache' is assigned to before global declaration
/usr/local/bin/../packages/python-2.1/lib/python2.1/regsub.py:15: DeprecationWarning: the regsub module is
+deprecated; please use re.sub()
  DeprecationWarning)

I'm running Mailman 2.0.1 -- Are any of the newer releases Python-2.1
compatible?

Thanks.



From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Apr 17 18:21:33 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:21:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Qrunner error
Message-ID: <3ADC6D8D.BEB2C27F@isu.edu>

I'm receiving this error below which is sent to  the Owner of Mailman's
email account every minute when the Qrunner cron process runs. Does
anyone know what this means. Please respond to wheakory at isu.edu, ( I
have over 150 mailman mailing lists that its critical that they function
properly). I would greatly appreciate solutions?

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
ValueError: bad marshal data

--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From barry at digicool.com  Tue Apr 17 19:01:27 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:01:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Qrunner error
References: <3ADC6D8D.BEB2C27F@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <15068.30439.741128.500671@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KW" == Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> writes:

    KW> I'm receiving this error below which is sent to the Owner of
    KW> Mailman's email account every minute when the Qrunner cron
    KW> process runs. Does anyone know what this means. Please respond
    KW> to wheakory at isu.edu, ( I have over 150 mailman mailing lists
    KW> that its critical that they function properly). I would
    KW> greatly appreciate solutions?

    KW> Traceback (innermost last):
    |   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    |     from Mailman import MailList
    KW> ValueError: bad marshal data

Since it's failing on an import, I'd say you have some corrupt .pyc
files laying around.  Don't know how they got corrupt, but if you
remove them and then do "config.status; make install" it should fix
them.

-Barry



From atkisson at lsit.ucsb.edu  Tue Apr 17 19:05:10 2001
From: atkisson at lsit.ucsb.edu (Brian J. Atkisson)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:05:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help deleting pending admin approvals
Message-ID: <ECEDIKFCMKCADOHOKMOLOENHCBAA.atkisson@lsit.ucsb.edu>

Does any one know the process for purging the admin approval spool for a
particular list?
One of my lists recently was spammed and I have several hundred request
waiting for approval.  Is there a way to delete them all without using the
web interface?

Thanks!

############################################################################
###
  Brian Atkisson
  Systems Administrator
  College of Letters & Science
  University of California, Santa Barbara
############################################################################
###




From joshk at grawk.net  Tue Apr 17 19:07:17 2001
From: joshk at grawk.net (josh koenig)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:07:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104171001430.12045-100000@mickey.grawk.net>

Hi, I've been using Mailman with some success for a while, but I've just
started having some serious problems with admin functions after upgrading
to version 2.0.3

First of all, whenever I try to use /admin/listname I get a generic 500
script error. The web log reports "premature end of script headers" I know
this isn't a permissions problem as check_perms gives me an all clear.

Additionally, the lockfiles in /mailman/locks are not being cleared, so
after one login error, the script will just hang and freeze the next time
I try it.

I've exhausted all my ideas here... does anyone have any ideas what might
be causeing these errors?

thanks
-josh

Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
Developer - Smarter than pudding
http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/




From dball at uunet.ca  Tue Apr 17 19:13:52 2001
From: dball at uunet.ca (David Ball)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:13:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104171001430.12045-100000@mickey.grawk.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104171310050.24989-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>

	I was about to compose an email about the very same thing.  I've
been fighting with the Admin part of the interface for a few weeks now.  I
can get in to see the emails that are pending approval, but at the bottom
of that same page, there is usually the "We're sorry, we've hit a bug!".
After selecting the appropriate radio button on each message and clicking
"Submit all data", it hangs.  There have been a few different errors
dumped into logs/error, but I just wanted to see if someone had found a
more obvious fix for this which I missed.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, josh koenig wrote:

> 
> Hi, I've been using Mailman with some success for a while, but I've just
> started having some serious problems with admin functions after upgrading
> to version 2.0.3
> 
> First of all, whenever I try to use /admin/listname I get a generic 500
> script error. The web log reports "premature end of script headers" I know
> this isn't a permissions problem as check_perms gives me an all clear.
> 
> Additionally, the lockfiles in /mailman/locks are not being cleared, so
> after one login error, the script will just hang and freeze the next time
> I try it.
> 
> I've exhausted all my ideas here... does anyone have any ideas what might
> be causeing these errors?
> 
> thanks
> -josh
> 
> Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
> Developer - Smarter than pudding
> http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From bob at nleaudio.com  Tue Apr 17 19:46:51 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:46:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing List-* headers?
References: <E14pVk1-0007Ha-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3ADC818B.4B526A3C@nleaudio.com>

> Anyway, I own a private list and my provider just switched to Mailman (yay) 
> but my users hate all those List-* headers. Is there a way to remove or 
> suppress them? 

See http://www.nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm

Bob



From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Apr 17 20:49:07 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:49:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe without separate accepting it
In-Reply-To: <DDENKHFMFKPMPBIGKLMFGEBCCOAA.neuner@futureweb.at>; from neuner@futureweb.at on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 12:11:06PM +0200
References: <DDENKHFMFKPMPBIGKLMFGEBCCOAA.neuner@futureweb.at>
Message-ID: <20010417114907.R3331@magic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 12:11:06PM +0200, Futureweb.at - Patrick Bey-Neuner wrote:
> hi,
> 
> is there any way to let people subscribe to mailman
> but don't have to double confirm it?

Yes (allow open subscribes in mm_cfg.py) but you sure do not want to allow
this unless it's internal to your company.

I have gotten confirmation  from MAPS (http://www.mail-abuse.org/) that they
will now accept blackhole requests from people who run lists on the internet
with no three way handshake.

See this for details:
http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/3wayhandshake.txt

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Tue Apr 17 20:50:27 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:50:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request mail problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104172028370.1306-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
References: <035901c0c748$254c3d20$6f5a58a4@nn.independent.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010417114907.03844b90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 07:59 AM 4/17/01, Satya wrote:
 >[posted and mailed]
 >
 >On Apr 17, 2001 at 16:10, Rob Gould wrote:
 >
 >>Hi...When a mail subscriber sends a request to my server such as
 >>"help", the reply he/she gets begins with the message saying that
 >>"there were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
 >>the administrative address...".  It then continues with the
 >>requested info.  I see that this only happens if the request was
 >>sent with the mail account settings set to html mail.  Is there a
 >>way around this?
 >
 >Send the help message in plain text. Looks like mailman is responding
 >to the junk that comes with HTML messages.

Alternately, I believe you can fix this if you pipe your incoming 
subscription request address alias through demime to strip off the HTML 
before it gets to Mailman.

jc




From fil at rezo.net  Tue Apr 17 21:55:50 2001
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:55:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] HandlerAPI ?
In-Reply-To: <20010413122928.A13755@orwell.bok.net>; from fil@rezo.net on Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 12:29:28PM +0200
References: <20010413122928.A13755@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <20010417215550.A15255@orwell.bok.net>

Hi,

what happened to HandlerAPI.py ?

It is not there any more in the CVS tree, but it is still called by
cron/checkdbs and cron/mailpasswds

can someone explain?

-- Fil




From barry at digicool.com  Wed Apr 18 00:21:49 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:21:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] HandlerAPI ?
References: <20010413122928.A13755@orwell.bok.net>
	<20010417215550.A15255@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <15068.49661.300774.548080@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "F" == Fil  <fil at rezo.net> writes:

    F> what happened to HandlerAPI.py ?

After the redesign of the qrunner stuff, it was no longer necessary.

    F> It is not there any more in the CVS tree, but it is still
    F> called by cron/checkdbs and cron/mailpasswds

    F> can someone explain?

I just haven't gotten around to updating those scripts yet.  However,
I'll be spending some concentrated time on Mailman over the next few
weeks, so I fix those soon.

-Barry



From lee at audiomarket.com  Wed Apr 18 02:12:51 2001
From: lee at audiomarket.com (Lee Herron)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Greetings! Passwords?
Message-ID: <008201c0c79c$4fb8ca70$010a45c0@server>

I run your list from sourceforge, have run it from other sites as well.
Currently I want to post a small field for an email address and a Go button
for ease of joining. Is there a way to do this that allows mailman to
generate the password?

Thanks
lh




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Apr 18 03:02:06 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:02:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
Message-ID: <200104180102.SAA28438@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I guess it depends on what list server background you have. If you're
> familiar with listserv and it's relatives that have nomail, this makes
> sense. If you're coming from majordomo or have no real mlist experience, I
> think it's confusing. And I'm not sure if it really buys you much (and
> when/how do you decide to clean out your subscriber lists?)

I created a withlist script and a mail template to send reminders
to all "nomail" folks, and run it by hand from time to time;
I'm not convinced it's better, but it lets me not permanently
lose people without giving them a chance to stay less painfully than
resubbing.




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Apr 18 03:07:11 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:07:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] URGENT Please Help: Duplicates with 2.0 final
In-Reply-To: <200104180102.SAA28438@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <200104180100.f3I10Bi16719@plaidworks.com>

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001, at 06:02 PM, Dan Mick wrote:

> I created a withlist script and a mail template to send reminders
> to all "nomail" folks, and run it by hand from time to time;
> I'm not convinced it's better, but it lets me not permanently
> lose people without giving them a chance to stay less painfully than
> resubbing.
>

that's an option -- have you considered adding it to the disto?

My problem, though, is that I have a group of users that use nomail as 
an alternative to email aliases (which we've talked about). So I get to 
choose how to annoy who -- I tend to think it's better to leave nomail 
to the users, and either remove users or set up a second flag for system 
use in disabling users, because otherwise we end up with ambiguous 
situations.


--
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome <http://www.chuqui.com>
[<chuqui at plaidworks.com> = <me at chuqui.com> = <chuq at apple.com>]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

When an agnostic dies, does he go to the "great perhaps"?




From ashton at tundra.org  Wed Apr 18 04:58:19 2001
From: ashton at tundra.org (Ashton Treadway)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:58:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication using alternate headers?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104172256290.22858-100000@exeter.exeter.org>

Hi:

Is there any way to configure Mailman to authenticate posters against
headers other than From:?

I have a subscriber who frequently changes From: addresses, but has a
consistent Reply-To: address, and Mailman is properly rejecting his posts
because they originate from varying addressen.

Thanks,

.ashton




From jcdill at vo.cnchost.com  Wed Apr 18 05:41:18 2001
From: jcdill at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:41:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication using alternate headers?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0104172256290.22858-100000@exeter.exeter.org
 >
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010417203935.0388c900@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 07:58 PM 4/17/01, Ashton Treadway wrote:
 >
 >Hi:
 >
 >Is there any way to configure Mailman to authenticate posters against
 >headers other than From:?
 >
 >I have a subscriber who frequently changes From: addresses, but has a
 >consistent Reply-To: address, and Mailman is properly rejecting his posts
 >because they originate from varying addressen.

What I do (on a majordomo list) is have the person subscribe all the other 
"from" addresses to a companion list that is allowed to post to the main 
list.  With Mailman, I believe you can accomplish the same thing in an 
easier fashion by having him subscribe his additional addresses, but set 
those addresses to nomail.

jc

(posted and emailed)




From alex at phred.org  Wed Apr 18 05:44:32 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:44:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication using alternate headers?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010417203935.0388c900@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <20010417204314.S28081-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, JC Dill wrote:
> What I do (on a majordomo list) is have the person subscribe all the other
> "from" addresses to a companion list that is allowed to post to the main
> list.  With Mailman, I believe you can accomplish the same thing in an
> easier fashion by having him subscribe his additional addresses, but set
> those addresses to nomail.

This latter approach works well.  I run a bicycle touring list, and a
number of the members do this so that they can send trip reports from
the road using PocketMail or similar small machine, without having to
get the rest of the list.  They then just check in on the list using
the archives when they get a chance.

alex




From aleksw at ameritech.net  Wed Apr 18 05:59:47 2001
From: aleksw at ameritech.net (Aleksandra Witkowska)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:59:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication using alternate headers?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010417203935.0388c900@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKIGFILOHKMDOPKJLEEIPCDAA.aleksw@ameritech.net>

 >Is there any way to configure Mailman to authenticate posters against
 >headers other than From:?
 >
 >I have a subscriber who frequently changes From: addresses, but has a
 >consistent Reply-To: address, and Mailman is properly rejecting his posts
 >because they originate from varying addressen.

What I do (on a majordomo list) is have the person subscribe all the other 
"from" addresses to a companion list that is allowed to post to the main 
list.  With Mailman, I believe you can accomplish the same thing in an 
easier fashion by having him subscribe his additional addresses, but set 
those addresses to nomail.

****************

THat is exactly what I do with mailman. It works quite well.



From otnamra at armanto.com  Wed Apr 18 05:55:07 2001
From: otnamra at armanto.com (Armanto Prasetyo)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:55:07 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination?
Message-ID: <005701c0c7bb$70059640$3464640a@allstate.co.id>

Helo,

I have install Mailman Mailing List in my web site. But why, if member post their message, it always wait for admin's approval? The reason is "Message has implicit destination". What does this message means? My mailing list name is mailto:pino at armanto.com

Thanks for your help,
ap.



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From otnamra at armanto.com  Wed Apr 18 06:01:57 2001
From: otnamra at armanto.com (Armanto Prasetyo)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:01:57 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination?
Message-ID: <005f01c0c7bc$64bd98e0$3464640a@allstate.co.id>

Helo,

I have install Mailman Mailing List in my web site. But why, if member post
their message, it always wait for admin's approval? The reason is "Message
has implicit destination". What does this message means? My mailing list
name is pino at armanto.com

Thanks for your help,
ap.



www.armanto.com - Keceriaan dalam Kebersamaan




From barry at digicool.com  Wed Apr 18 06:11:34 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:11:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python-2.1 Compatibility?
References: <20010417160303.2656.qmail@nightshade.la.mastaler.com>
Message-ID: <15069.5110.571025.955968@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JRM" == Jason R Mastaler writes:

    JRM> I tried upgrading to Python-2.1 this morning, and qrunner
    JRM> didn't seem to like this:

I swear, the synchronicity is really amazing!  I've just upgraded my
home machine to Python 2.1 by default, and of course am seeing exactly
the same warnings.  If you're watching mailman-checkins you'll see
that I'm starting to address these compatibility issues.

I plan on releasing a very simple 2.0.4 patch that should do nothing
but add Python 2.1 compatibility (hopefully not at the cost of Python
1.5.2 compatibility ;).

-Barry



From barry at digicool.com  Wed Apr 18 06:14:05 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:14:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104171001430.12045-100000@mickey.grawk.net>
Message-ID: <15069.5261.868472.795267@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "jk" == josh koenig <joshk at grawk.net> writes:

    jk> First of all, whenever I try to use /admin/listname I get a
    jk> generic 500 script error. The web log reports "premature end
    jk> of script headers" I know this isn't a permissions problem as
    jk> check_perms gives me an all clear.

Are you using Apache?  Do you see no Python tracebacks in either your
Apache error_log file or any of the Mailman log files?  Somewhere,
somehow, you're likely getting an uncaught exception some place and
that's gotta leave a trace...

-Barry



From joshk at grawk.net  Wed Apr 18 06:28:29 2001
From: joshk at grawk.net (josh koenig)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <15069.5261.868472.795267@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104172126570.6103-100000@mickey.grawk.net>

>     jk> First of all, whenever I try to use /admin/listname I get a
>     jk> generic 500 script error. The web log reports "premature end
>     jk> of script headers" I know this isn't a permissions problem as
>     jk> check_perms gives me an all clear.
> 
> Are you using Apache?  Do you see no Python tracebacks in either your
> Apache error_log file or any of the Mailman log files?  Somewhere,
> somehow, you're likely getting an uncaught exception some place and
> that's gotta leave a trace...

That's what's so baffling. The apache error log gives me the useless
"premature end of script headers" and nothing comes up in the mailman or
syslogs. I'll keep looking, though....

-josh


Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
Developer - Smarter than pudding
http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/




From barry at digicool.com  Wed Apr 18 06:31:46 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:31:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
References: <15069.5261.868472.795267@anthem.wooz.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.21.0104172126570.6103-100000@mickey.grawk.net>
Message-ID: <15069.6322.580995.935455@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "jk" == josh koenig <joshk at grawk.net> writes:

    jk> That's what's so baffling.

Indeed!
    
    jk> The apache error log gives me the useless "premature end of
    jk> script headers" and nothing comes up in the mailman or
    jk> syslogs. I'll keep looking, though....

Okay, thanks.  I'll keep thinking about it.

-Barry



From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Wed Apr 18 09:16:01 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:16:01 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104171310050.24989-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104180911370.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Did you try to install Mailman 2.0.3 from scratch ? I'm a new user of
 mailman, and everything is OK for me with it, no problems at the moment.

With a few scripts, you'll be able to keep you lists&archives from your
 "old" installation.

I usually do not like "upgrade" options. Is the mailman one OK ??


Phil.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, David Ball wrote:

> 	I was about to compose an email about the very same thing.  I've
> been fighting with the Admin part of the interface for a few weeks now.  I
> can get in to see the emails that are pending approval, but at the bottom
> of that same page, there is usually the "We're sorry, we've hit a bug!".
> After selecting the appropriate radio button on each message and clicking
> "Submit all data", it hangs.  There have been a few different errors
> dumped into logs/error, but I just wanted to see if someone had found a
> more obvious fix for this which I missed.
>
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, josh koenig wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi, I've been using Mailman with some success for a while, but I've just
> > started having some serious problems with admin functions after upgrading
> > to version 2.0.3
> >
> > First of all, whenever I try to use /admin/listname I get a generic 500
> > script error. The web log reports "premature end of script headers" I know
> > this isn't a permissions problem as check_perms gives me an all clear.
> >
> > Additionally, the lockfiles in /mailman/locks are not being cleared, so
> > after one login error, the script will just hang and freeze the next time
> > I try it.
> >
> > I've exhausted all my ideas here... does anyone have any ideas what might
> > be causeing these errors?
> >
> > thanks
> > -josh
> >
> > Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
> > Developer - Smarter than pudding
> > http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From pobeirne at sysmod.com  Wed Apr 18 12:44:29 2001
From: pobeirne at sysmod.com (Patrick O'Beirne)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:44:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install on Verio?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418114319.00da2360@gpo.iol.ie>

Basic question .. has anybody installed Mailman on a Verio host? If it 
requires Unix guru skills, please tell me so I don't get in too deep!

Thanks,

Patrick


  -------------------------------------------------------------
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  Sign up for our free newsletter on the Euro and I.S. at
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From ismet at fiducia-china.com  Wed Apr 18 14:01:33 2001
From: ismet at fiducia-china.com (Ismet Dere)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:01:33 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (mailman) -- Failure to exec script.
Message-ID: <008c01c0c7ff$556145c0$0100a8c0@sino.com.hk>

hello all,

i'm tring to install mailman on RH7 linux,sendmail, during installation
everything seemed fine, but when i go to website, got this message, what am
i doing wrong? i thing it's something to do with cgi. but what?

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 500, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
99?)

i appreciate any help.

regards
ismet




From bvo at atz.nl  Wed Apr 18 14:20:11 2001
From: bvo at atz.nl (B. van Ouwerkerk)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:20:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install on Verio?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418114319.00da2360@gpo.iol.ie>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418133941.00dce980@pop.atz-hosting.nl>

At 11:44 18-4-01 +0100, Patrick O'Beirne wrote:
>Basic question .. has anybody installed Mailman on a Verio host? If it 
>requires Unix guru skills, please tell me so I don't get in too deep!

I'm not a mailman expert.. but..

If Verio is an ISP and you don't have root access and access to various 
config files (httpd.conf etc) I think you can forget about this.

Perhaps there is a hack.. or an ISP who cooperates..

Bye,


B.




From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Wed Apr 18 14:49:33 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:49:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (mailman) -- Failure to exec script.
In-Reply-To: <008c01c0c7ff$556145c0$0100a8c0@sino.com.hk>; from ismet@fiducia-china.com on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:01:33PM +0800
References: <008c01c0c7ff$556145c0$0100a8c0@sino.com.hk>
Message-ID: <20010418144933.A13396@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl>

Quoting Ismet Dere, <ismet at fiducia-china.com>:

> i'm tring to install mailman on RH7 linux,sendmail, during installation
> everything seemed fine, but when i go to website, got this message, what am
> i doing wrong? i thing it's something to do with cgi. but what?
> 
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 500, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
> 99?)

You need to recompile the wrapper program to make sure it uses the correct
GIDs for, in this case, the group that will execute the cgi programs.

Use "./configure --with-cgi-gid=<the cgi gid>" in the source dir where
<the cgi gid> is prolly "500". Usually this is the same GID as the
user/group the webserver runs as.  

Check the INSTALL file and the FAQ for more info.

HTH,
\Geert.
-- 
Geert Altena | Geert at arago.utwente.nl | Coffee, black, no sugar
      Finger for PGPkey : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - Niels Bohr



From joshk at grawk.net  Wed Apr 18 15:22:51 2001
From: joshk at grawk.net (josh koenig)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104180911370.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104180620580.23084-100000@mickey.grawk.net>

> Did you try to install Mailman 2.0.3 from scratch ? I'm a new user of
>  mailman, and everything is OK for me with it, no problems at the moment.
> 
> With a few scripts, you'll be able to keep you lists&archives from your
>  "old" installation.

By this do you mean with a few extra shell scripts? If so, can you point
me in an appropriate direction? I've been considering doing a full remove
and install, although I've been using the debian package system and have
already tried the --reinstall option.

-j

Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
Developer - Smarter than pudding
http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/




From Johannes.Egger at free.darkrealms.org  Wed Apr 18 15:32:18 2001
From: Johannes.Egger at free.darkrealms.org (John)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:32:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] amount of users / mysql db
Message-ID: <00a301c0c80b$fd461d40$db35aac1@technik.sth.ac.at>

hi,


I've been using mailman for quite some time now- but what I'd like to know
is, what is the maximum amount of supported users?
I.e., if I would need a mailinglist with 500.000 users, and send one email
per week, would mailman be able to manage, or handle, this amount of users?
Is there anyone who handles a high amount of users with mailman? can you
guys tell me what your experiences are, what is the maximum amount of users
that you were able to manage, and so on?

secondly, if I have around ~500.000 email addresses in a mysql database
(perhaps with some additional personal information such as first name, last
name and so on), what is the easiest way to get all these users into the
mailman db?


best regards,

John





From jtrigg at huiekin.org  Wed Apr 18 15:33:22 2001
From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (jtrigg at huiekin.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination?
In-Reply-To: <005f01c0c7bc$64bd98e0$3464640a@allstate.co.id>; from otnamra@armanto.com on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:01:57AM +0700
References: <005f01c0c7bc$64bd98e0$3464640a@allstate.co.id>
Message-ID: <20010418093322.B25795@dozer.liquidweb.com>

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:01:57AM +0700, Armanto Prasetyo wrote:
> I have install Mailman Mailing List in my web site. But why, if member post
> their message, it always wait for admin's approval? The reason is "Message
> has implicit destination". What does this message means? My mailing list
> name is pino at armanto.com

That's probably the case-sensitivity problem.  On the Privacy Options page,
there is an option for "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or
cc destination names for this list."  Put a regexp in that which allows any
case mixture of the list name.  For example, if the list is named "testlist",
the regexp here would be "[Tt][Ee][Ss][Tt][Ll][Ii][Ss][Tt]".  Everyone tells
me that this isn't needed, but it's the only way I've gotten lists to work
correctly.

Jim Trigg
Itinerant List Administrator
-- 
/"\                           
\ /     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN 
 X       HELP CURE HTML MAIL  
/ \                           



From dball at uunet.ca  Wed Apr 18 15:34:07 2001
From: dball at uunet.ca (David Ball)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:34:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104180911370.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104180927460.9642-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Philippe Rodriguez wrote:

> 
> Did you try to install Mailman 2.0.3 from scratch ? I'm a new user of
>  mailman, and everything is OK for me with it, no problems at the moment.

	Actually, no.  I upgraded from 2.0.1 if I'm not mistaken.  My only
worry about reinstalling from scratch was having to redo all the lists,
though I imagine those can be copied over to the new installation without 
too much fuss.  If there are any quirks with this (should just require
copying over the /lists/ directory and perhaps one or 2 other things?)
that you know of, lemme know.  Thanks

David


> 
> With a few scripts, you'll be able to keep you lists&archives from your
>  "old" installation.
> 
> I usually do not like "upgrade" options. Is the mailman one OK ??
> 
> 
> Phil.
> 
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, David Ball wrote:
> 
> > 	I was about to compose an email about the very same thing.  I've
> > been fighting with the Admin part of the interface for a few weeks now.  I
> > can get in to see the emails that are pending approval, but at the bottom
> > of that same page, there is usually the "We're sorry, we've hit a bug!".
> > After selecting the appropriate radio button on each message and clicking
> > "Submit all data", it hangs.  There have been a few different errors
> > dumped into logs/error, but I just wanted to see if someone had found a
> > more obvious fix for this which I missed.
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, josh koenig wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi, I've been using Mailman with some success for a while, but I've just
> > > started having some serious problems with admin functions after upgrading
> > > to version 2.0.3
> > >
> > > First of all, whenever I try to use /admin/listname I get a generic 500
> > > script error. The web log reports "premature end of script headers" I know
> > > this isn't a permissions problem as check_perms gives me an all clear.
> > >
> > > Additionally, the lockfiles in /mailman/locks are not being cleared, so
> > > after one login error, the script will just hang and freeze the next time
> > > I try it.
> > >
> > > I've exhausted all my ideas here... does anyone have any ideas what might
> > > be causeing these errors?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > -josh
> > >
> > > Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
> > > Developer - Smarter than pudding
> > > http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> 




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Wed Apr 18 15:52:24 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:52:24 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104180620580.23084-100000@mickey.grawk.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104181528170.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, josh koenig wrote:

> > Did you try to install Mailman 2.0.3 from scratch ? I'm a new user of
> >  mailman, and everything is OK for me with it, no problems at the moment.
> >
> > With a few scripts, you'll be able to keep you lists&archives from your
> >  "old" installation.
>
> By this do you mean with a few extra shell scripts?

Yes, to be written.

> If so, can you point
> me in an appropriate direction? I've been considering doing a full remove
> and install, although I've been using the debian package system and have
> already tried the --reinstall option.
>
I have no scripts (yet) do to that, but my idea is :

 - first step, on your old (and running) mailman installation :
    With some command in $prefix/bin, you can get the list of lists, and
     then you for each list you can get the list of subscribers (and their
     options ?)
 - second step, with the newly installed mailman :
    With some other commands in $prefix/bin, you can create the lists and
     subsscribe your list of subscribers.

Sorry not to indicate which commands to use in $prefix/bin, but you'll
 find which one to use by using the option --help for each, to determine
 what you can do with them. That's what I did.

I have tested the second step, to test the feasability of a migration
 from majordomo, but I have to clean up these scripts.

Do you want me to send these scripts when they'll be ready ?


Phil.




From joshk at grawk.net  Wed Apr 18 15:57:10 2001
From: joshk at grawk.net (josh koenig)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104181528170.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104180655550.24356-100000@mickey.grawk.net>

Yeah... I could see how this would work. A sort of failsafe
backup/migration system. I think I can puzzle out how to get all the data
out manually, but any such script you write would be more than welcome by
me. I'm not experienced with python.

> I have no scripts (yet) do to that, but my idea is :
> 
>  - first step, on your old (and running) mailman installation :
>     With some command in $prefix/bin, you can get the list of lists, and
>      then you for each list you can get the list of subscribers (and their
>      options ?)
>  - second step, with the newly installed mailman :
>     With some other commands in $prefix/bin, you can create the lists and
>      subsscribe your list of subscribers.
> 
> Sorry not to indicate which commands to use in $prefix/bin, but you'll
>  find which one to use by using the option --help for each, to determine
>  what you can do with them. That's what I did.
> 
> I have tested the second step, to test the feasability of a migration
>  from majordomo, but I have to clean up these scripts.
> 
> Do you want me to send these scripts when they'll be ready ?
> 
> 
> Phil.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
Developer - Smarter than pudding
http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Wed Apr 18 16:06:25 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:06:25 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104180655550.24356-100000@mickey.grawk.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104181602430.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, josh koenig wrote:

>
> Yeah... I could see how this would work.

Nice !

> A sort of failsafe backup/migration system.

Yes.

> I think I can puzzle out how to get all the data
> out manually, but any such script you write would be more than welcome by
> me. I'm not experienced with python.
>
OK, I'll try to prepare them quickly, but I can't promise.
I really do not know python : I'm writing /bin/sh scripts.


Phil.

> > I have no scripts (yet) do to that, but my idea is :
> >
> >  - first step, on your old (and running) mailman installation :
> >     With some command in $prefix/bin, you can get the list of lists, and
> >      then you for each list you can get the list of subscribers (and their
> >      options ?)
> >  - second step, with the newly installed mailman :
> >     With some other commands in $prefix/bin, you can create the lists and
> >      subsscribe your list of subscribers.
> >
> > Sorry not to indicate which commands to use in $prefix/bin, but you'll
> >  find which one to use by using the option --help for each, to determine
> >  what you can do with them. That's what I did.
> >
> > I have tested the second step, to test the feasability of a migration
> >  from majordomo, but I have to clean up these scripts.
> >
> > Do you want me to send these scripts when they'll be ready ?
> >
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>
>
> Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
> Developer - Smarter than pudding
> http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/
>
>




From Frank.Heckes at nokia.com  Wed Apr 18 16:32:42 2001
From: Frank.Heckes at nokia.com (Frank.Heckes at nokia.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:32:42 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Windo$ OUTLOOK and pipermail threading
Message-ID: <A914533BF4B9D2118D980008C7894C0A05F25013@dueis01nok>

Hi all,

there've been a mail already on the list, but it seems that nobody was able
to find a solution so far. If you use Microsoft as a MUA mail which getting
archived by `pipermail? won't be threaded correctly. I.e. if you reply on a
mail sent with 'help' of OUTLOOK a new thread will be created. Does anyone
have a solution for this. (I'm running mailman-2.0.2; python 1.5.3, sendmail
8.8.6) Thanks in advance for any hints.

Bye

	Frank Heckes




From orion at deathcon.com  Wed Apr 18 17:02:16 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:02:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104180655550.24356-100000@mickey.grawk.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104180801020.27097-100000@mail.pirk.com>

When I upgraded from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 (I think those were the versions),
the install found my lists and upgraded them (including the html
associated with the templates).

Kinda painless...

Steve
--
Steve Pirk
orion at deathcon.com . deathcon.com . pirk.com . webops.com . t2servers.com 

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, josh koenig wrote:

> 
> Yeah... I could see how this would work. A sort of failsafe
> backup/migration system. I think I can puzzle out how to get all the data
> out manually, but any such script you write would be more than welcome by
> me. I'm not experienced with python.
> 
> > I have no scripts (yet) do to that, but my idea is :
> > 
> >  - first step, on your old (and running) mailman installation :
> >     With some command in $prefix/bin, you can get the list of lists, and
> >      then you for each list you can get the list of subscribers (and their
> >      options ?)
> >  - second step, with the newly installed mailman :
> >     With some other commands in $prefix/bin, you can create the lists and
> >      subsscribe your list of subscribers.
> > 
> > Sorry not to indicate which commands to use in $prefix/bin, but you'll
> >  find which one to use by using the option --help for each, to determine
> >  what you can do with them. That's what I did.
> > 
> > I have tested the second step, to test the feasability of a migration
> >  from majordomo, but I have to clean up these scripts.
> > 
> > Do you want me to send these scripts when they'll be ready ?
> > 
> > 
> > Phil.
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
> Developer - Smarter than pudding
> http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Wed Apr 18 18:36:35 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:36:35 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104180801020.27097-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104181831380.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Hello,

I suggested this solution because :
 - they had the same problem with mailman after upgrading (and not
     reinstalling with a newer version)
 - personnally, I don't really like upgrades, and I ususally prefer to
     reinstall from scratch. Some experiences (and this one ?) show that
     upgrading a software is not always working fine.

Well ...

It's clear that "upgrading" should be easier, and should keep datas ...
 but the condition is that it works fine !!


Phil.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Steve Pirk wrote:

> When I upgraded from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 (I think those were the versions),
> the install found my lists and upgraded them (including the html
> associated with the templates).
>
> Kinda painless...
>
> Steve
> --
> Steve Pirk
> orion at deathcon.com . deathcon.com . pirk.com . webops.com . t2servers.com
>
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, josh koenig wrote:
>
> >
> > Yeah... I could see how this would work. A sort of failsafe
> > backup/migration system. I think I can puzzle out how to get all the data
> > out manually, but any such script you write would be more than welcome by
> > me. I'm not experienced with python.
> >
> > > I have no scripts (yet) do to that, but my idea is :
> > >
> > >  - first step, on your old (and running) mailman installation :
> > >     With some command in $prefix/bin, you can get the list of lists, and
> > >      then you for each list you can get the list of subscribers (and their
> > >      options ?)
> > >  - second step, with the newly installed mailman :
> > >     With some other commands in $prefix/bin, you can create the lists and
> > >      subsscribe your list of subscribers.
> > >
> > > Sorry not to indicate which commands to use in $prefix/bin, but you'll
> > >  find which one to use by using the option --help for each, to determine
> > >  what you can do with them. That's what I did.
> > >
> > > I have tested the second step, to test the feasability of a migration
> > >  from majordomo, but I have to clean up these scripts.
> > >
> > > Do you want me to send these scripts when they'll be ready ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
> > Developer - Smarter than pudding
> > http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>





From jason-dated-017fa1d1abe1c63d at mastaler.com  Wed Apr 18 19:22:23 2001
From: jason-dated-017fa1d1abe1c63d at mastaler.com (Jason R. Mastaler)
Date: 18 Apr 2001 17:22:23 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python-2.1 Compatibility?
In-Reply-To: <15069.5110.571025.955968@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@digicool.com on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 12:11:34AM -0400
References: <20010417160303.2656.qmail@nightshade.la.mastaler.com> <15069.5110.571025.955968@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010418172223.7661.qmail@a.mx.mastaler.com>

Barry A. Warsaw <barry at digicool.com> writes:

> I plan on releasing a very simple 2.0.4 patch that should do nothing
> but add Python 2.1 compatibility

Glad to hear it, thanks.



From bruno at postle.net  Wed Apr 18 20:09:36 2001
From: bruno at postle.net (Bruno Postle)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:09:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Windo$ OUTLOOK and pipermail threading
In-Reply-To: <A914533BF4B9D2118D980008C7894C0A05F25013@dueis01nok>; from Frank.Heckes@nokia.com on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 05:32:42PM +0300
References: <A914533BF4B9D2118D980008C7894C0A05F25013@dueis01nok>
Message-ID: <20010418190936.B887@postle.net>

On Wed 18-Apr-2001 at 05:32:42PM +0300, Frank.Heckes at nokia.com wrote:

> If you use Microsoft as a MUA mail which getting archived by
> `pipermail? won't be threaded correctly. I.e. if you reply on a mail
> sent with 'help' of OUTLOOK a new thread will be created. Does anyone
> have a solution for this. (I'm running mailman-2.0.2; python 1.5.3,
> sendmail 8.8.6) Thanks in advance for any hints.

Threaded mail readers like pipermail use 'References:' or 'In-Reply-To:'
headers in the email to figure out the threads, not 'Subject:'.

AFAIK outlook *does* create 'References:' headers even if it doesn't use
them. Probably your user's mailserver is stripping them out before they
get anywhere near mailman - ms exchange is your likely culprit here.

Bruno
-- 
http://bruno.postle.net/



From dan at tangledhelix.com  Wed Apr 18 20:11:33 2001
From: dan at tangledhelix.com (Dan Lowe)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:11:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install on Verio?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418133941.00dce980@pop.atz-hosting.nl>; from bvo@atz.nl on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:20:11PM +0200
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418114319.00da2360@gpo.iol.ie> <4.3.2.7.2.20010418133941.00dce980@pop.atz-hosting.nl>
Message-ID: <20010418141133.B6504@tangledhelix.com>

Previously, B. van Ouwerkerk said:
> At 11:44 18-4-01 +0100, Patrick O'Beirne wrote:
> >Basic question .. has anybody installed Mailman on a Verio host? If it 
> >requires Unix guru skills, please tell me so I don't get in too deep!
> 
> I'm not a mailman expert.. but..
> 
> If Verio is an ISP and you don't have root access and access to various 
> config files (httpd.conf etc) I think you can forget about this.
> 
> Perhaps there is a hack.. or an ISP who cooperates..

Verio uses something called "virtual kernel" or something like that.
I forget the exact name that's attached to it.  In any case it creates
many little virtual jailed environments on one physical box.  You can do
some things (like munge your own httpd.conf, your own MTA settings, etc)
but not others (like install any old software you want to).

The short answer is: ask Verio support.

(Note: I work for Verio, but not the web-hosting division)

 -dan

-- 
If the police arrest a mime, do they tell him he has the right to remain
silent?                                           -George Carlin



From barry at digicool.com  Wed Apr 18 21:12:53 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:12:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ANNOUNCE Mailman 2.0.4
Message-ID: <15069.59189.820989.870483@anthem.wooz.org>


Folks,

I've just released Mailman 2.0.4 which is simply a patch release so
that Mailman works better with Python 2.1.  Mailman 2.0.3 had a few
constructs which caused warnings when run with Python 2.1.  The
unfortunate part is that those warnings could occur in the qrunner
process which tended to cause cron to bombard the system
administrators with email.  If you upgrade your Python to 2.1, you
should definitely upgrade to Mailman 2.0.4, otherwise consider it
optional.

As usual, I'm releasing this as both a complete tarball and as a patch
against Mailman 2.0.3.  You /must/ update your source to 2.0.3 before
applying the 2.0.4 patch.  Since the patch is small, I'm including it
in this message.  To apply, cd into your 2.0.4 source tree and apply
it like so:

    % patch -p0 < mailman-2.0.3-2.0.4.txt
    
Currently both http://mailman.sourceforge.net and http://www.list.org
are updated, and I expect the gnu.org site to be updated soon as
well.  The release information on SF is at

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=31693

See also

    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://www.list.org
    http://mailman.sourceforge.net

Enjoy,
-Barry

[From the NEWS file]

2.0.4 (18-Apr-2001)

    Python 2.1 compatibility release.  There were a few questionable
    constructs and uses of deprecated modules that caused annoying
    warnings when used with Python 2.1.  This release quiets those
    warnings.

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From wrd at awenet.com  Wed Apr 18 22:08:09 2001
From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:08:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104181307520.78750-100000@localhost>

Hi all,

Has anybody put together any reporting tools for Mailman?  Posts per list,
posts per user, total traffic, that sort of thing?

If not, maybe I'll bang on something myself if I can make the time...

Thanks,

-Bill

--
 William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968
 wrd at awenet.com                              http://www.manoutoftime.org/

     Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
     false, and by the rulers as useful.
                                          - Seneca the Younger
					    (4?B. - 65AD)




From JJarvis at trueposition.com  Wed Apr 18 23:01:11 2001
From: JJarvis at trueposition.com (Jarvis, John)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:01:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting?
Message-ID: <3166C01D5E20D411AE6900508BC76CE80A6805@fstpkop1.trueposition.com>

I think its a good idea.  I have a script that runs at the end of the month
that gives message counts for each user and a script that runs every day
that collects random quotes and all the hyperlinks into textfiles that is
displayed on a webpage.  Not very something you would have for a list like
this one, but for the list my friends have, it's hilarious.

-Jarv


-----Original Message-----
From: William R. Dickson [mailto:wrd at awenet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:08 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting?


Hi all,

Has anybody put together any reporting tools for Mailman?  Posts per list,
posts per user, total traffic, that sort of thing?

If not, maybe I'll bang on something myself if I can make the time...

Thanks,

-Bill

--
 William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968
 wrd at awenet.com                              http://www.manoutoftime.org/

     Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
     false, and by the rulers as useful.
                                          - Seneca the Younger
					    (4?B. - 65AD)


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ismet at fiducia-china.com  Thu Apr 19 04:13:11 2001
From: ismet at fiducia-china.com (Ismet Dere)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:13:11 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not available for sendmail programs?
Message-ID: <00cd01c0c876$48ffe580$0100a8c0@sino.com.hk>

hello all,

i've installed mailman, it seem working fine until i send a message to my mailing list,
then i got this error message back,

=========
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist2"
    (reason: service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <mylist2 at fiducia-china.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist2"... Service unavailable
==========

anyone know why this "wrapper not available for sendmail programs"?

i apreciate any help.
ismet
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From zeng_fy at yahoo.com.cn  Thu Apr 19 04:55:39 2001
From: zeng_fy at yahoo.com.cn (=?gb2312?q?zeng=20fuyang?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:55:39 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Asking for Admission Information
Message-ID: <20010419025539.52250.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Sir,
I am a Chinese empoloyee working in one of travel
egent in Egypt.I was a student in Cario University
Last year,holding certisficate, and I also have
University Granduation certificate in foreign Language
University in China.I did well in Arabic and English
as foreign languge.
I am interested in studying French in Canada.I got
your University from embassy of Canada in Egypt.As
your shool is one of the most prominent in the filed,I
wish very much to enroll for the fall semester of
2001.I would appreciate your sending me application
forms and information about admission
requirments.Could you tell me details about your
schlarship and how can pay the register fee?
Thank you and best regards!
May I hear from you soon by e_mail?
sincerely yours 
Zeng

Or you can mail:
Yin sheng
Novotel Cairo Airport
P.O. Box 8
post code:11776







From dball at uunet.ca  Thu Apr 19 05:11:45 2001
From: dball at uunet.ca (David Ball)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:11:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not available for sendmail programs?
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c0c876$48ffe580$0100a8c0@sino.com.hk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104182304570.7759-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>

	Your sendmail is configured to use smrsh (likely via your
sendmail.mc and hence sendmail.cf), and your cgi wrapper for
mailman isn't included in the directory that holds executables allowed to
run under smrsh.  There are basically 2 ways to get around this....disable
smrsh in sendmail (not a good idea), or create a symlink so the wrapper
is allowed to run under smrsh. Take a peek at
the Install FAQ at http://www.list.org/install-faq.html for details.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Ismet Dere wrote:

> hello all,
> 
> i've installed mailman, it seem working fine until i send a message to my mailing list,
> then i got this error message back,
> 
> =========
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist2"
>     (reason: service unavailable)
>     (expanded from: <mylist2 at fiducia-china.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist2"... Service unavailable
> ==========
> 
> anyone know why this "wrapper not available for sendmail programs"?
> 
> i apreciate any help.
> ismet
> 




From Philldoty at msn.com  Thu Apr 19 05:41:38 2001
From: Philldoty at msn.com (Phillip Doty)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:41:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Double Subscription
Message-ID: <OE92rbw8b9ezf9CIElR000008c2@hotmail.com>

Dear Sirs:
           I believe that we have been double billed. I recieve two Readers Digest on the same day each month. One to
Janet Doty and one to Janet Dory. Could you please check into this matter a get back to me.


Thank you;
Janet Doty

philldoty at msn.com<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>
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From Thomas at travelhacker.com  Thu Apr 19 06:56:53 2001
From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (The Hacker)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:56:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Sendmail and Qrunner
In-Reply-To: <E14puOa-0006iU-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010418212459.036e9270@travelhacker.com>

The Server was set up using Sendmail instead of Postfix because the folks 
claimed they could not configure Postfix.

So here is my problem, Mailman seems to be in a long pause.  I run a 
moderated list so eveything must be approved before being sent to the list.

A post was sent to the list at 5:30 pm and at 10:00 pm I am still unable to 
see the messages waiting in the queue to be approved.  I have checked the 
directory to see if they are there and they are (about 15 messages).

Qrunner seems to place a lock every 3 to 5 minutes but nothing is 
happening.  Is there something that needs to be done to make Sendmail and 
Mailman work.

Can anyone help me with this problem.  Perhaps someone could help me to 
install Postfix if that is the only way to solve this problem.  I am very 
frustrated.

Thomas




From andres.delicado at ariceta.com  Thu Apr 19 07:35:06 2001
From: andres.delicado at ariceta.com (Andrés Delicado)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:35:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connect to DB2/390 from Red Hat 6.2
Message-ID: <HLEBJHHDNHLNPHLPMMJGEEHJCBAA.andres.delicado@ariceta.com>

Hi,

I'm evaluating JBoss for use in a large medical project.
I need to access, from JBoss running in Red Hat 6.2 to DB2/390 v5, using
JDBC.

Know somebody how to do it? What driver (JDBC level 4 or 3) or libraries I
need?  Where can I find JDBC driver?

Thanks


--Andr?s Delicado--
  Madrid - Spain




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Thu Apr 19 09:32:29 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:32:29 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin and lockfile problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104182052250.7759-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104190922290.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Hi David,

First, you should reply to all, including the mailman list, because I do
 not have the answer.

I explained in a previous mail what I'd do : I'd write shell (/bin/sh)
 scripts to :
 - get the lists of list, and for each list get the subscribers (using
    $prefix/bin/* utils), from the old (but running) mailman installation,
 - create automatically with other scripts the lists and automatically
    include the subscribers, in the newly installed mailman.

Of course you will have to write these scripts.

Does someone have a more appropriate answer to David's request ? (below)


Phil.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, David Ball wrote:

> 	So, if I were to do a fresh 2.0.3 install, and just copy my
> /lists/ directory (or at least the contents of it) to the appropriate
> spot, that should about do it, right ?  Or am I missing some other files
> that would have to be copied over ?
> 	I don't have many lists, so I could likely just recreate
> EVERYthing from scratch and re-subscribe everyone, but I'd sooner just
> import the data if possible......
> 	sound right ?  Am I missing some files ?
>
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Philippe Rodriguez wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I suggested this solution because :
> >  - they had the same problem with mailman after upgrading (and not
> >      reinstalling with a newer version)
> >  - personnally, I don't really like upgrades, and I ususally prefer to
> >      reinstall from scratch. Some experiences (and this one ?) show that
> >      upgrading a software is not always working fine.
> >
> > Well ...
> >
> > It's clear that "upgrading" should be easier, and should keep datas ...
> >  but the condition is that it works fine !!
> >
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Steve Pirk wrote:
> >
> > > When I upgraded from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 (I think those were the versions),
> > > the install found my lists and upgraded them (including the html
> > > associated with the templates).
> > >
> > > Kinda painless...
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > --
> > > Steve Pirk
> > > orion at deathcon.com . deathcon.com . pirk.com . webops.com . t2servers.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, josh koenig wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah... I could see how this would work. A sort of failsafe
> > > > backup/migration system. I think I can puzzle out how to get all the data
> > > > out manually, but any such script you write would be more than welcome by
> > > > me. I'm not experienced with python.
> > > >
> > > > > I have no scripts (yet) do to that, but my idea is :
> > > > >
> > > > >  - first step, on your old (and running) mailman installation :
> > > > >     With some command in $prefix/bin, you can get the list of lists, and
> > > > >      then you for each list you can get the list of subscribers (and their
> > > > >      options ?)
> > > > >  - second step, with the newly installed mailman :
> > > > >     With some other commands in $prefix/bin, you can create the lists and
> > > > >      subsscribe your list of subscribers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry not to indicate which commands to use in $prefix/bin, but you'll
> > > > >  find which one to use by using the option --help for each, to determine
> > > > >  what you can do with them. That's what I did.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have tested the second step, to test the feasability of a migration
> > > > >  from majordomo, but I have to clean up these scripts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you want me to send these scripts when they'll be ready ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Josh Koenig (joshk at grawk.net)
> > > > Developer - Smarter than pudding
> > > > http://www.grawk.net/~joshk/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>





From bjohnson_arco at email.msn.com  Thu Apr 19 14:09:45 2001
From: bjohnson_arco at email.msn.com (bjohnson_arco)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:09:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000c01c0c8c9$a093db00$c18b153f@ci40n>

you have got to fix a problem! a lot of people are receiving mail form the 1ultram site! We are asking to be removed and then it is sending this request out to all the other people on this list !!!!!  Please fix this !!!!!
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From pug at pug.net  Thu Apr 19 17:10:44 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:10:44 -0500
Subject: Anyone?  (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Two "newbie" questions...)
In-Reply-To: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 08:52:09AM -0500
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net>

Good Morning,

  I am in the process of converting my site over from Majordomo to
  Mailman. In the process I have hit two snags that I can't figure out
  how to get around.

  1) When adding all the members, they are getting one password per
     list. This seems highly undesirable. Is there a way for a user, or
     preferably the site administrator, to synchronize their passwords
     for all the lists to be the same?

  2) How can I setup an umbrella list with the following features:
     
     1) The lists that it is an umbrella for only allow member posting
     2) The umbrella is moderated
     3) The umbrella posts through the lists once it is moderated *without*
        the need for the list admin for each sub-list to approve it
     4) The users only get *one* copy of the mail message

     I was able to do this with Majordomo by just having the include
     files listed instead of the list name. I don't see how to do this
     with mailman.

  I appreciate any help in these matters and hope to be able to
  contribute more than just questions real soon now. (I'm already
  starting on a replacement for newlist that allows you to set more
  features at the start. Unfortunately I don't know python yet so it's a
  perl wrapper.)

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From f_arik at mail.makash.ac.il  Thu Apr 19 18:12:24 2001
From: f_arik at mail.makash.ac.il (f_arik at mail.makash.ac.il)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:12:24 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with qmail
Message-ID: <20010419161224.27722.qmail@doar.makash.ac.il>


Hello.
I've just installed "mailman" under qmail and have some problems with
"aliases".
Please, tell me where to find good documentation about it.
With regards, Arik.

mailto:arikf at sapir.ac.il



From hunks at midplains.net  Thu Apr 19 18:29:06 2001
From: hunks at midplains.net (Mike, Lori & Mikayla)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:29:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get me off 1Ultram lists
Message-ID: <004801c0c8ed$dbb2b3e0$ce8ca5d8@hunks>

I am getting many e-mails from people wanting off the 1Ultam list- help! I found your link- I need to get these 50 so far- people to stop emailing me!


hunks at midplains.net


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From hunks at midplains.net  Thu Apr 19 18:29:44 2001
From: hunks at midplains.net (Mike, Lori & Mikayla)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:29:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] off list
Message-ID: <004c01c0c8ed$f1c381a0$ce8ca5d8@hunks>

get me off the 1Ultam mailing list please! hunks at midplains.net
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From mamababy at ix.netcom.com  Thu Apr 19 18:58:33 2001
From: mamababy at ix.netcom.com (Leslie Aday)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:58:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] kindly remove me from this and any lists you manage or consult with
Message-ID: <3ADF1939.A374B07E@ix.netcom.com>

please remove this immediatelyi am getting hundreds of names and e-mails
which I DO NOT WANT.
REMOVE ME FROM THESE LISTS>
THANK YOU




From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at  Thu Apr 19 19:09:28 2001
From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:09:28 +0200 (MES)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] kindly remove me from this and any lists you manage
 or consult with
In-Reply-To: <3ADF1939.A374B07E@ix.netcom.com> from Leslie Aday at "Apr 19, 2001
 09:58:33 am"
Message-ID: <200104191709.TAA83418@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>

According to Leslie Aday:
> please remove this immediatelyi am getting hundreds of names and e-mails
> which I DO NOT WANT.
> REMOVE ME FROM THESE LISTS>
> THANK YOU

What are you talking about?

+gg
 
-- 
Gerhard.Gonter at wu-wien.ac.at  Fax: +43/1/31336/702  g.gonter at ieee.org
Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria
"If we don't have Microsoft's blessing, then what's the point?" -anon.



From mpm at norwottuck.com  Thu Apr 19 19:14:57 2001
From: mpm at norwottuck.com (Michelle Murrain)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:14:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Very Strange (1Ultam list)
In-Reply-To: <004801c0c8ed$dbb2b3e0$ce8ca5d8@hunks>
References: <004801c0c8ed$dbb2b3e0$ce8ca5d8@hunks>
Message-ID: <01041913145703.01248@chicago.murrain.net>

On Thursday 19 April 2001 12:29 pm, Mike, Lori & Mikayla wrote:

> > I am getting many e-mails from people wanting off the 1Ultam list- help! I
> found your link- I need to get these 50 so far- people to stop emailing me!

What's up here? I've only gotten a very few messages like this...

Michelle
------------
Michelle Murrain, Ph.D.
President
Norwottuck Technology Resources
mpm at norwottuck.com
http://www.norwottuck.com



From dill at umbi.umd.edu  Thu Apr 19 19:30:22 2001
From: dill at umbi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:30:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] kindly remove me from this and any lists you manage 
 or consult with
References: <3ADF1939.A374B07E@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <3ADF20AE.EE8C3AE0@umbi.umd.edu>

The only thing I can guess is:

1) some spammer is using mailman-users as a return e-mail address

2) someone has somehow managed to maliciously subscribe you to some
mailing lists

3) you somehow managed to subscribe yourself to the mailing list

I have forwarded your message to mailman-users-request at python.org which
should get your request to the list administrator.  We are only
subscribers to the list and we can't do anything about your request.

If someone has maliciously subscribed you to some lists, you are
probably subscribed to a bunch of lists in which case you should try
going to this web page:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

Go to the bottom of the page where it says, "Edit Options" and put in
your e-mail address there and click the button.  Click on "Email My
Password To Me" assuming that you have no clue what it is.  Once you get
the e-mail with your password, you should go to "List my other
subscriptions" because if someone else has subscribed you maliciously,
chances are they have subscribed you to a bunch of different lists. 
>From this same web page, you will be able to unsubscribe yourself from
any lists that you are on.

-- 
"Jonathan F. Dill" (dill at umbi.umd.edu)
CARB Systems and Network Administrator
Home Page:  http://www.umbi.umd.edu/~dill



From barry at digicool.com  Thu Apr 19 19:52:06 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PLEASE READ: Proposed change in list policy
Message-ID: <15071.9670.570952.373197@anthem.wooz.org>

Enough people are complaining about spam on this list, that I've
thought about it and I'm willing to change the policy to address it.
Specifically, I propose changing the policy so that only members of
this mailing list can post to it.

What this means for you: if you post messages to this list from
accounts other than the one you're subscribed with, or if you post
from multiple accounts, your legitimate messages can get held.  And
because I not entirely diligent in clearing the held backlog, they may
get held for a while.

The solution, although hackish, is easy: subscribe all the addresses
you plan on posting from.  Then set "nomail" for all addresses except
the one(s) you want to receive list postings.

This policy change will be considered experimental, and I intend on
looking at it again in 3 months to evaluate how well it's working.
The overriding principle though, is that this is /your/ list, so I
want to do what makes the most sense for you guys.

Unless you are strongly opposed to this change, you don't need to
respond, but if you do want to comment, please do so directly to me
(do not followup to the list, please!).  If there is no hoard of
opposition, I'll make the change on May 1 and we'll re-evaluate on
August 1 (801 day! :).

-Barry



From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Apr 19 19:58:46 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:58:46 -0700
Subject: Anyone?  (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Two "newbie" questions...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:10:44AM -0500
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:10:44AM -0500, Pug Bainter wrote:
> Good Morning,
> 
>   I am in the process of converting my site over from Majordomo to
>   Mailman. In the process I have hit two snags that I can't figure out
>   how to get around.
> 
>   1) When adding all the members, they are getting one password per
>      list. This seems highly undesirable. Is there a way for a user, or
>      preferably the site administrator, to synchronize their passwords
>      for all the lists to be the same?
 
Unfortunately, no. If  the user subscribes,  yes, if you subscribe  them, no
(you'd have to write a program to modify the lists' config.db and change the
autogenerated passwords to set ones)
 
>   2) How can I setup an umbrella list with the following features:
>      
>      1) The lists that it is an umbrella for only allow member posting
>      2) The umbrella is moderated
>      3) The umbrella posts through the lists once it is moderated *without*
>         the need for the list admin for each sub-list to approve it
>      4) The users only get *one* copy of the mail message
 
Yep, I do all that, but it required me to have mailman look at the envelope
sender for moderation instead of the header sender (prefered), and then in
the sub-lists, I was able to say that:
privacy/addresses accepted for posting: umbrella-name-admin at yourdomain
privacy/alias names: umbrella-name

Disable password reminders on umbrella, and set envelope sender froms in
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Thu Apr 19 20:05:43 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:05:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] kindly remove me from this and any lists
  you manage or consult with
In-Reply-To: <200104191709.TAA83418@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>
References: <3ADF1939.A374B07E@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010419110220.046c58a0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 10:09 AM 4/19/01, Gerhard Gonter wrote:
 >According to Leslie Aday:
 >> please remove this immediatelyi am getting hundreds of names and e-mails
 >> which I DO NOT WANT.
 >> REMOVE ME FROM THESE LISTS>
 >> THANK YOU
 >
 >What are you talking about?

Presumably some one has mistakenly believed that emailing mailman-users 
will get them removed from some mailing list hosted by 1 Ultram lists.

Just one MORE REASON to stop letting non-subscriber messages that don't say 
"mailman" in them be posted to the mail-man users list.

Just because there is a " logn standing tradition for support lists for 
products to
not be closed to non-subscribers" (sic) doesn't mean that we have to follow 
this tradition for all time.  There was once a long tradition of having 
every SMTP server open to relay to anyone too.  That was changed, because 
it needed to be changed.  Letting anyone post anything to this list also 
needs to be changed, before you run off all the people who are on this list 
to discuss "mailman user" issues.

jc




From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Apr 19 20:07:12 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:07:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PLEASE READ: Proposed change in list policy
In-Reply-To: <15071.9670.570952.373197@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@digicool.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:52:06PM -0400
References: <15071.9670.570952.373197@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010419110712.G21098@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:52:06PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> The solution, although hackish, is easy: subscribe all the addresses
> you plan on posting from.  Then set "nomail" for all addresses except
> the one(s) you want to receive list postings.
 
May I make a feature request for next time you change the db format?
have both nomail and post-only fields (and even bounce-disabled)

Why?
I'd to know which addresses were set  to nomail by the user, which ones were
set to nomail by mailman due to  a bounce, and which ones are post-only (the
post-only would be the most important one)
 
> This policy change will be considered experimental, and I intend on
> looking at it again in 3 months to evaluate how well it's working.
> The overriding principle though, is that this is /your/ list, so I
> want to do what makes the most sense for you guys.
 
post by members is fine with me.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From barry at digicool.com  Thu Apr 19 20:10:08 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:10:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PLEASE READ: Proposed change in list policy
References: <15071.9670.570952.373197@anthem.wooz.org>
	<20010419110712.G21098@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <15071.10752.140972.92883@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <marc_news at valinux.com> writes:

    MM> Why?  I'd to know which addresses were set to nomail by the
    MM> user, which ones were set to nomail by mailman due to a
    MM> bounce, and which ones are post-only (the post-only would be
    MM> the most important one)
 
I agree completely.



From jtrigg at huiekin.org  Thu Apr 19 20:15:28 2001
From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (jtrigg at huiekin.org)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:15:28 -0400
Subject: Anyone?  (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Two "newbie" questions...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:58:46AM -0700
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:58:46AM -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:10:44AM -0500, Pug Bainter wrote:
> >   2) How can I setup an umbrella list with the following features:
> >      
> >      1) The lists that it is an umbrella for only allow member posting
> >      2) The umbrella is moderated
> >      3) The umbrella posts through the lists once it is moderated *without*
> >         the need for the list admin for each sub-list to approve it
> >      4) The users only get *one* copy of the mail message
>  
> Yep, I do all that, but it required me to have mailman look at the envelope
> sender for moderation instead of the header sender (prefered), and then in
> the sub-lists, I was able to say that:
> privacy/addresses accepted for posting: umbrella-name-admin at yourdomain
> privacy/alias names: umbrella-name
> 
> Disable password reminders on umbrella, and set envelope sender froms in
> ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

Example:
Umbrella list A has three sublists A1, A2, and A3 subscribed to it. 
Someone at somewhere.com is subscribed to lists A1 and A3.  When a message is
sent to A, will someone at somewhere.com receive one or two copies of it?  What
setting is necessary to prevent someone at somewhere.com from receiving two
copies?

Thanks,
Jim Trigg
Itinerant List Admin
-- 
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 X       HELP CURE HTML MAIL  
/ \                           



From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Apr 19 20:49:10 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:49:10 -0700
Subject: Anyone?  (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Two "newbie" questions...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com>; from jtrigg@huiekin.org on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:15:28PM -0400
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com>
Message-ID: <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:15:28PM -0400, jtrigg at huiekin.org wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:58:46AM -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:10:44AM -0500, Pug Bainter wrote:
> > >   2) How can I setup an umbrella list with the following features:
> > >      
> > >      1) The lists that it is an umbrella for only allow member posting
> > >      2) The umbrella is moderated
> > >      3) The umbrella posts through the lists once it is moderated *without*
> > >         the need for the list admin for each sub-list to approve it
> > >      4) The users only get *one* copy of the mail message
> >  
> > Yep, I do all that, but it required me to have mailman look at the envelope
> > sender for moderation instead of the header sender (prefered), and then in
> > the sub-lists, I was able to say that:
> > privacy/addresses accepted for posting: umbrella-name-admin at yourdomain
> > privacy/alias names: umbrella-name
> > 
> > Disable password reminders on umbrella, and set envelope sender froms in
> > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> 
> Example:
> Umbrella list A has three sublists A1, A2, and A3 subscribed to it. 
> Someone at somewhere.com is subscribed to lists A1 and A3.  When a message is
> sent to A, will someone at somewhere.com receive one or two copies of it?  What
> setting is necessary to prevent someone at somewhere.com from receiving two
> copies?

Sorry, I missed that part.

procmail is your friend:
:0 Wh: msgid.lock
:| formail -D 8192 msgid.cache

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From Jbabay7 at cs.com  Thu Apr 19 21:02:36 2001
From: Jbabay7 at cs.com (Jbabay7 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:02:36 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists???
Message-ID: <63.14da9bb5.2810904c@cs.com>

My name is Lori and I have been receiving many, many, many e-mails from 
people who are telling me to take them off "my" mailing list. You wouldn't 
believe what some of these people are saying and threatening!
        I HAVE NO SUCH MAILING LIST, DON'T KNOW HOW TO EVEN MAKE A MAILING 
LIST, DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO YOU, CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE GETTING 
SPAMMED E-MAIL FROM 1ULTRAM (WHICH THEY THINK IS COMMING FROM ME), AND DON'T 
KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS ALL STOP!!
    What do I do? How can I make this all stop?? The "1ultram info page" site 
doesn't seem to be working properly because I can't get in to "edit" my 
e-mail address (jbabay7 at cs.com) to take it out so that I guess will stop 
people from getting mistaken spam from me. I am on the verge of crying 
because I do not know what to do. PLEASE HELP!!  Thanks. One of the e-mailees 
is trying to help me, but he is using such foul language! I need this to stop.



From jtrigg at huiekin.org  Thu Apr 19 21:14:35 2001
From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (jtrigg at huiekin.org)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:49:10AM -0700
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:49:10AM -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:15:28PM -0400, jtrigg at huiekin.org wrote:
> > Example:
> > Umbrella list A has three sublists A1, A2, and A3 subscribed to it. 
> > Someone at somewhere.com is subscribed to lists A1 and A3.  When a message is
> > sent to A, will someone at somewhere.com receive one or two copies of it?  What
> > setting is necessary to prevent someone at somewhere.com from receiving two
> > copies?
> 
> Sorry, I missed that part.
> 
> procmail is your friend:
> :0 Wh: msgid.lock
> :| formail -D 8192 msgid.cache

That's a useful tool for recipients who have it available, but we're
looking for a tool at the list management end that will handle it. 
First, because not all of our subscribers will be able to do something
like this, and second, to conserve bandwidth.

Thanks,
Jim Trigg
Itinerant List Admin
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Apr 19 23:13:33 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:13:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com>; from jtrigg@huiekin.org on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:14:35PM -0400
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com>
Message-ID: <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:14:35PM -0400, jtrigg at huiekin.org wrote:
> That's a useful tool for recipients who have it available, but we're
> looking for a tool at the list management end that will handle it. 

Mailman doesn't do that, sorry.

> First, because not all of our subscribers will be able to do something
> like this, and second, to conserve bandwidth.

People had better have something to  deal with dupe Message-IDs because dupe
messages (like my message here which you will receive through mailman and to
your mailbox directly) are extremely common.

Marc
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From pug at pug.net  Thu Apr 19 23:37:08 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:37:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:13:33PM -0700
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net>

Marc MERLIN (marc_news at valinux.com) said something that sounded like:
> > That's a useful tool for recipients who have it available, but we're
> > looking for a tool at the list management end that will handle it. 
> Mailman doesn't do that, sorry.

That's too bad because you could make majordono do it.

I'm finding that Mailman has some hangups that make it undeseriable.

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Apr 20 00:07:15 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:37:08PM -0500
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010419150715.T21098@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:37:08PM -0500, Pug Bainter wrote:
> Marc MERLIN (marc_news at valinux.com) said something that sounded like:
> > > That's a useful tool for recipients who have it available, but we're
> > > looking for a tool at the list management end that will handle it. 
> > Mailman doesn't do that, sorry.
> 
> That's too bad because you could make majordono do it.
> 
> I'm finding that Mailman has some hangups that make it undeseriable.

You have the source, choose which one you hate least :-)

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From pug at pug.net  Fri Apr 20 00:09:41 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:09:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419150715.T21098@magic.merlins.org>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:07:15PM -0700
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net> <20010419150715.T21098@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20010419170941.B12748@stardock.pug.net>

Marc MERLIN (marc_news at valinux.com) said something that sounded like:
> > I'm finding that Mailman has some hangups that make it undeseriable.
> You have the source, choose which one you hate least :-)

Well the issue here is that I don't think there is away around the
duplicate email stuff from watching the mail logs.

We'll see if I can overcome the following:

1) Password sync'ing (should be trivial)
2) Archives via email (may be trivial, may not)
3) Duplicate emails (may not be possible)

There are a lot of good things about Mailman, but #3 is a big hurdle
that won't be tollerated. After all, not everyone uses a UNIX system to
read mail. There are a large number of people in the world on AOL,
Hotmail, Yahoo, and MSN.

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Apr 20 00:27:52 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:27:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419170941.B12748@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:09:41PM -0500
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net> <20010419150715.T21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419170941.B12748@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010419152751.X21098@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:09:41PM -0500, Pug Bainter wrote:
> Marc MERLIN (marc_news at valinux.com) said something that sounded like:
> > > I'm finding that Mailman has some hangups that make it undeseriable.
> > You have the source, choose which one you hate least :-)
> 
> Well the issue here is that I don't think there is away around the
> duplicate email stuff from watching the mail logs.
> 
> We'll see if I can overcome the following:
> 
> 1) Password sync'ing (should be trivial)

A little code, but not too hard.

> 2) Archives via email (may be trivial, may not)

Some work

> 3) Duplicate emails (may not be possible)
> 
> There are a lot of good things about Mailman, but #3 is a big hurdle
> that won't be tollerated. After all, not everyone uses a UNIX system to
> read mail. There are a large number of people in the world on AOL,
> Hotmail, Yahoo, and MSN.

Can't you  have the umbrella list  sync its list  of users from all  the sub
lists? (i.e. don't  subscribe sub lists to the umbrella  list, just have the
master list update its list of users from the other ones, as in:

~mailman/bin/list_members list1 > biglist.tmp
~mailman/bin/list_members list2 >> biglist.tmp
~mailman/bin/list_members list3 >> biglist.tmp
cat biglist.tmp | sort -u > biglist

~mailman/bin/sync_members -f biglist umbrellalist

(give or take a few tweaks)

Marc
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From alex at phred.org  Fri Apr 20 00:38:27 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies
 (was Re: Anyone? ...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419170941.B12748@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010419153706.V28081-100000@phred.org>

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Pug Bainter wrote:
> There are a lot of good things about Mailman, but #3 is a big hurdle
> that won't be tollerated. After all, not everyone uses a UNIX system to
> read mail. There are a large number of people in the world on AOL,
> Hotmail, Yahoo, and MSN.

I don't use a Unix system to read email, but that doesn't mean that
I get duplicates.  Microsoft Exchange (server) handles turfing
messages with duplicate message IDs just fine.  There is no reason
why other mail systems can't do this too.

alex




From pug at pug.net  Fri Apr 20 00:46:56 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...)
In-Reply-To: <20010419152751.X21098@magic.merlins.org>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:27:52PM -0700
References: <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net> <20010419150715.T21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419170941.B12748@stardock.pug.net> <20010419152751.X21098@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20010419174656.B12895@stardock.pug.net>

Marc MERLIN (marc_news at valinux.com) said something that sounded like:
> Can't you  have the umbrella list  sync its list  of users from all  the sub
> lists? (i.e. don't  subscribe sub lists to the umbrella  list, just have the
> master list update its list of users from the other ones, as in:

That is a damn good idea. Thank you!

I think that I'm now comfortable enough to go start coding and feel that
I can get around the limitations.

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From tech at isocnz.org.nz  Fri Apr 20 01:46:25 2001
From: tech at isocnz.org.nz (John Vorstermans)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:46:25 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Problems
Message-ID: <01042011462502.01723@inspiron.serion.co.nz>

Hi.

I am having password problems with the lists archives and for users 
wanting to change their passwords.

When they try to do either, that is go to the private archives or change 
their passwords this message comes up:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but 
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

Looking in the log I see:

Apr 20 11:35:52 2001 admin(13728): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(13728): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.3 -----]
admin(13728): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(13728): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(13728):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in 
run_main
admin(13728):     main()
admin(13728):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.py", line 73, in main
admin(13728):     process_form(mlist, user, doc)
admin(13728):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.py", line 181, in 
process_form
admin(13728):     mlist.ConfirmUserPassword(user, form['opw'].value)
admin(13728):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 
137, 
in ConfirmUserPassword
admin(13728):     if self.ValidAdminPassword(pw):
admin(13728):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 
47, i
n ValidAdminPassword
admin(13728):     return type(pw) == StringType and \
admin(13728): TypeError: argument 2: expected string without null bytes, 
string 
found
admin(13728): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(13728): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#0, Apr  3 2000, 14:46:48)  [GCC 
2.95.2 20
000313 (Debian GNU/Linux)]
......

The strange thing is that it does work for some lists but not for others 
and I cannot see any differences bewtween the lists as far as permissions 
go.

Has anyone got any ideas on where I should look.  I am not a python expert 
by any means?

We are running:

Mailman 2.0.3
Python 1.5.2
on a Debian Linux (potatoe) release.

Apart from this the lists are working fine.

Cheers
John

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ISOCNZ (Internet Society of New Zealand Inc)         || Fx  (04) 472-1207
PO Box 11-881, Wellington



From pug at pug.net  Fri Apr 20 01:57:23 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with member_posting_only setting....
Message-ID: <20010419185723.A13310@stardock.pug.net>

Good Morning,

  I am trying to use the config_list script to change things for
  different mailing lists. Unfortunately one thing I can't seem to
  change is member_post_only. It keeps telling me:

attribute "member_post_only" ignored

  My new config input looks like:

member_post_only = 1

  And the setting in the file is 0.

  Any ideas?

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From coder at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 20 03:55:52 2001
From: coder at kanga.nu (coder at kanga.nu)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:55:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Pug Bainter <pug@pug.net> 
   of "Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:37:08 CDT." <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net> 
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org>  <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net> 
Message-ID: <22347.987731752@2wire.com>

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:37:08 -0500 
Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:

> I'm finding that Mailman has some hangups that make it
> undeseriable.

As with any tool, there is a problem space it is attempting to
serve, and there are tradeoffs in its approach to that problem
space.  I don't believe there's any interest in trying to make
Mailman into a one-size-fits all catastrophe.  Horses for courses.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Apr 20 03:59:06 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Umbrella lists and avoiding multiple copies (was Re: Anyone? ...) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Pug Bainter <pug@pug.net> 
   of "Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:09:41 CDT." <20010419170941.B12748@stardock.pug.net> 
References: <20010416085209.A29675@stardock.pug.net> <20010419101044.A11008@stardock.pug.net> <20010419105845.F21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419141528.B9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419114909.H21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419151435.C9617@dozer.liquidweb.com> <20010419141333.O21098@magic.merlins.org> <20010419163708.E12556@stardock.pug.net> <20010419150715.T21098@magic.merlins.org>  <20010419170941.B12748@stardock.pug.net> 
Message-ID: <22378.987731946@2wire.com>

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:09:41 -0500 
Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:

> 1) Password sync'ing (should be trivial) 2) Archives via email
> (may be trivial, may not) 3) Duplicate emails (may not be
> possible)

> There are a lot of good things about Mailman, but #3 is a big
> hurdle that won't be tollerated. After all, not everyone uses a
> UNIX system to read mail. There are a large number of people in
> the world on AOL, Hotmail, Yahoo, and MSN.

Its also worth realising that mail dupes (from list trees and the
like) are not necessarily a problem to all members.  Some, like me,
specifically _WANT_ them and will be very upset if you start
enforcing dupe removal at the server.  I specifically want my
internal mail archives for each of the lists I subscribe to be
compleat.  That means that if a message is posted to N lists that I
subscribe to, I demand to receive N copies of it so that they may be
each be seperately and appropriately filed.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jchurch at gprep.org  Fri Apr 20 04:04:55 2001
From: jchurch at gprep.org (Jon Church)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:04:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permissions problem?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104192155490.26260-100000@leonardo.gprep.org>

I've installed 2.0.4 on redhat 7.0 It sort of works.  When I subscribe to
the test mailing list the cgi script changes the
/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db file from owner mailman to owner nobody
which is the group that apache runs as.  After this happens I get errors
in mailman/logs/error relating to permissions on that file.  When I
subscribe it mails back the confirmation request just fine. When I try to
reply (tring to confirm) nothing happens UNTIL I change the ownner of the
config.db file from nobody to mailman.  As soon as I change it qrunner
sends out the confirmation message (on the minute I suppose).

I could added another cron job to automatically change the owner of all
files in /home/mailman to mailman but I am guessing I have something setup
incorrectly.  Any suggestions??

I compile as mailman using --with-mail-gid=2 and nothing for cgi-gid

jon church













From mjs at sohocom.net  Fri Apr 20 04:18:16 2001
From: mjs at sohocom.net (mjs at sohocom.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:18:16 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman with qmail
Message-ID: <20010420121816.A28293@sohocom.net>

I am having some trouble with my mailman installation under qmail. 

I have set up as follows. 

This is a debian system so yes some of the directories are a bit wierd. 

1. installed mailman under /usr/lib/mailman owned by user list group list. 


2. installed qmail under /var/qmail 

3. added to my virtualdomains file 

lists.sohocom.net:list 

in list's home directory I have created a .qmail-default file as follows

|preline /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/mail/qmail-to-mailman.py 

which I have installed from mailman's contrib directory. 

I then created a mailing list, and recieved the mailman-owner email fine, the one saying my list had
been created. 


If I now send email to test at lists.sohocom.net or test-request at lists.sohocom.net it bounces back saying
"no such mailbox" 

in my mail.log I see "triple bounce, discarding". 


I also tried creating the aliases in /var/qmail/alias 

.qmail-test 

pointing to 

|preline /usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test

etc 

same results doing that. 


Has anyone seen this happen before and has a solution for it? 

thanks





From michael at radigan.net  Fri Apr 20 04:54:20 2001
From: michael at radigan.net (Michael R. Radigan)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:54:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup
Message-ID: <009801c0c945$32d2b510$8742fea9@gaelic>

just wanted to drop ya'll a line and tell you I just set up Mailman on my linux server and it took all of 20 minutes (while I watched ER) and it is ruinning like a champ.  Your install document was well done, I followed it step by step, and now I have a top of the line listserve!

Searched your site for somewhere I could donate, and I couldn't find anything.  If ya'll have something like that, let me know.

thanks again for a great opensource app.

- mike

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From kyrian at ore.org  Fri Apr 20 06:00:23 2001
From: kyrian at ore.org (Kyrian)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:00:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal server error from mailman CGI scripts in spite of correct
 config?
Message-ID: <3ADFB457.230EBCD1@ore.org>

Hi All,

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but this is an odd one, I think.

I've got mailman configured correctly as far as I can see, but I still
get "Internal Server Error" problems on the web interface, and the
following in the apache error log:

[Thu Apr 19 23:54:00 2001] [error] [client 195.13.114.100] Premature end
of script headers: /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo

There's nothing in the mailman errors log about this, and nothing in the
maillog about this, except when I run the cgi's from the command line
wrongly (they work if I su to "nobody" and run them).

Everything else seems to work fine, and I've done the following part of
the FAQ for:

'Q. What if I get "document contains no data" from the web server, or
mail isn't getting delivered, or I see "Premature end of script headers"
or "Mailman CGI error!!!"'

ie. in my vhost config for apache (because I'm using suexec for Cgi's):

<VirtualHost 195.82.99.77>
User nobody
Group nobody

Which removes the errors about "Wrong GID" etc error messages.

I'm using redhat's mailman-2.0beta5-1 RPM (asking for trouble, I
know..), and I've followed the instructions for that.

For python I'm using this RPM from the python site itself:
BeOpen-Python-2.0-1

But the problem still remains.

Is it some incompatibility between suexec and mailman? or a dumb
permissions/config error at my end?

I'm stumped, and if anyone could help, that would be great.

Yours,

Kev.

PS. The archives for this list don't seem to be searchable? Is that a
future plan for mailman? or?

--
"Life is the sieve through which my anarchy strains, resolving itself
into words"
Kev Green, aka. Kyrian    www.ore.org                             -- Bad
Religion




From Murat.Balkas at o2.com.tr  Fri Apr 20 10:14:17 2001
From: Murat.Balkas at o2.com.tr (Murat Balkas)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:14:17 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding members
Message-ID: <027701c0c971$e6072810$0c2ba8c0@muratbalkas>

Hi,

	how can I add the content of an alias as a member to a list? I want to send
invitation to all members of an alias and wait for confirm. If s/he
confirms, will be a regular member of a list.

Tahnks,
Murat




From thantsig at x-treme.gr  Fri Apr 20 11:21:14 2001
From: thantsig at x-treme.gr (thanos tsigounakis)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:21:14 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding members
References: <027701c0c971$e6072810$0c2ba8c0@muratbalkas>
Message-ID: <006a01c0c97b$42d52840$55c378d4@thantsig>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Murat Balkas" <Murat.Balkas at o2.com.tr>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:14 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding members


>
> Hi,
>
> how can I add the content of an alias as a member to a list? I want to
send
> invitation to all members of an alias and wait for confirm. If s/he
> confirms, will be a regular member of a list.
>
> Tahnks,
> Murat
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From ronald at rem-graphics.com  Fri Apr 20 12:19:55 2001
From: ronald at rem-graphics.com (Ronald van Maanen)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:19:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help on installing mailman on a RaQ4
Message-ID: <01fd01c0c983$73c08730$0100a8c0@rem>

HI,

Has anybody installed mailman on RaQ4 machine. Can somebody give me advise
on how to setup the aliasses to work with it.

Thanks


Ronald





From thantsig at x-treme.gr  Fri Apr 20 11:59:40 2001
From: thantsig at x-treme.gr (thanos tsigounakis)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:59:40 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] please unsubscribe me
Message-ID: <010801c0c980$9eeb6e00$55c378d4@thantsig>


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From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Fri Apr 20 12:39:54 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:39:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help on installing mailman on a RaQ4
In-Reply-To: <01fd01c0c983$73c08730$0100a8c0@rem>; from ronald@rem-graphics.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 11:19:55AM +0100
References: <01fd01c0c983$73c08730$0100a8c0@rem>
Message-ID: <20010420123954.A5759@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl>

Quoting Ronald van Maanen, <ronald at rem-graphics.com>:

> Has anybody installed mailman on RaQ4 machine. Can somebody give me advise
> on how to setup the aliasses to work with it.

It's not as mucht the hardware that matters but the software that
runs on it. Most important would be the mailserver (or MTA). As
most modern systems use or understand Sendmail style aliases
the command "/path/to/mailman/homedir/bin/newlist <listname>" will
give you the neccesary aliases to put in the alias file (in most
cases /etc/aliases). 

For more specific info you want to read the INSTALL file that comes
with the source and maybe the FAQ at http://www.list.org/faq.html
will be of help to you.

HTH,
\Geert.
-- 
Geert Altena | Geert at arago.utwente.nl | Coffee, black, no sugar
      Finger for PGPkey : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - Niels Bohr



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Apr 20 13:13:55 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:43:55 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup
In-Reply-To: <009801c0c945$32d2b510$8742fea9@gaelic>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104201642280.919-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Apr 19, 2001 at 21:54, Michael R. Radigan wrote:

>just wanted to drop ya'll a line and tell you I just set up Mailman
>on my linux server and it took all of 20 minutes (while I watched
>ER) and it is ruinning like a champ.  Your install document was well
>done, I followed it step by step, and now I have a top of the line

>thanks again for a great opensource app.

A satisfied customer! We ought to have him stuffed!

Wait till you run into the passwords, "Oops, we hit a bug!", qrunner
locks, and whatnot.

Hey, okay, put the pitchforks away! I use it too, and I removed
majordomo in favor of mailman!

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
The more I learn about the Internet, the more amazed I am that it works at
all.




From Johann.Jacoby at psych.uni-goettingen.de  Fri Apr 20 13:53:15 2001
From: Johann.Jacoby at psych.uni-goettingen.de (Johann Jacoby)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:53:15 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] administration via email
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.31.0104201351410.17910-100000@gwdu20.gwdg.de>

hi,

i am a mailman based list administrator and am wondering where to find
info on how to do stuff (add/drop members etc.) by email.
where can i find those informations?

thanks alot

johann
--
johann jacoby
rote strasse 28a
37073 goettingen - germany




From leo at performanceonline.com.br  Fri Apr 20 13:59:00 2001
From: leo at performanceonline.com.br (Leonardo Costa)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:59:00 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <002401c0c991$495ac420$0251a8c0@performanceonline.com.br>

Hi guys,

i'm using Mailman version 2.0beta5.
Some days ago, the mailman doesn't delivery any mail for any list i have at my server.

It was working with no problem, i didn't make any kind of change in my mailserver and Domain Server.
The message is sent, i don't receive any email with error messages, i can see the email at the archives, but anyone receive the email.
Somebody can tell me what may be wrong?

thanks.

Leonardo Costa

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From leo at performanceonline.com.br  Fri Apr 20 14:06:51 2001
From: leo at performanceonline.com.br (Leonardo Costa)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:06:51 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <003801c0c992$621f4ac0$0251a8c0@performanceonline.com.br>

Hi guys,

i'm using Mailman version 2.0beta5.
Some days ago, the mailman doesn't delivery any mail for any list i have =
at my server.

It was working with no problem, i didn't make any kind of change in my =
mailserver and Domain Server.
The message is sent, i don't receive any email with error messages, i =
can see the email at the archives, but anyone receive the email.
Somebody can tell me what may be wrong?

thanks.






From joerg at goliathbbs.dnsalias.net  Fri Apr 20 14:16:20 2001
From: joerg at goliathbbs.dnsalias.net (Joerg Jaspert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:16:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Messages
Message-ID: <01042014162003.07914@goliath2>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi

Are there translations for the Mailman Messages (Webiste and Emails) ?
I need some for german :)

- -- 
bye
Joerg
GPG-Keyid: 0x1120D31B
Fingerprint: A3D2 83A4 535D A826 F2AA  4348 8BDD 849C 1120 D31B
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From rclayton at aprisma.com  Fri Apr 20 15:27:12 2001
From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:27:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help request
Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE039@mailhost.aprisma.com>

I am getting the following error. 
It appears to be a rights issue. However, the message nor docs state where it creates the reply messages. Please help.

thanks ever so much!

Bob

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"
    (reason: can't create (user) output file)
    (expanded from: <test-request at nmsl80.aprisma.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 5.3.0 /usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests... cannot open /usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests: Permission denied
550 5.0.0 "/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"... Can't create output




Bob Clayton	
Premium Support Account Manager
Spectrum Product Support 
mailto:rclayton at aprisma.com
<http://www.aprisma.com/>
"Spectrum can manage what matters" 
 <<...>>  <<...>> 




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Fri Apr 20 15:34:53 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:34:53 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help request
In-Reply-To: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE039@mailhost.aprisma.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104201528130.11823-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Clayton, Robert wrote:

> I am getting the following error.
> It appears to be a rights issue. However, the message nor docs state where it creates the reply messages. Please help.
>
> thanks ever so much!
>
> Bob
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"
>     (reason: can't create (user) output file)
>     (expanded from: <test-request at nmsl80.aprisma.com>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 5.3.0 /usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests... cannot open /usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests: Permission denied
> 550 5.0.0 "/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"... Can't create output
>
>
>

I think you forgot the "|" before the command in your alias file : you
 should have something like

test-request:  "|/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
                ^

Phil.




From rclayton at aprisma.com  Fri Apr 20 15:41:48 2001
From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:41:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help request
Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE03C@mailhost.aprisma.com>

I had the pipe in there. Still got the same result. This seems to be my stumbling block. 
In am also running Sendmail as the MTA. It is the latest and greatest version.

thanks,
Bob


Bob Clayton	
Premium Support Account Manager
Spectrum Product Support 


-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Rodriguez
[mailto:Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:35 AM
To: Clayton, Robert
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help request



On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Clayton, Robert wrote:

> I am getting the following error.
> It appears to be a rights issue. However, the message nor docs state where it creates the reply messages. Please help.
>
> thanks ever so much!
>
> Bob
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"
>     (reason: can't create (user) output file)
>     (expanded from: <test-request at nmsl80.aprisma.com>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 5.3.0 /usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests... cannot open /usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests: Permission denied
> 550 5.0.0 "/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"... Can't create output
>
>
>

I think you forgot the "|" before the command in your alias file : you
 should have something like

test-request:  "|/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
                ^

Phil.


------------------------------------------------------
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Fri Apr 20 15:57:13 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:57:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help request
In-Reply-To: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE03C@mailhost.aprisma.com>; from rclayton@aprisma.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 09:41:48AM -0400
References: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE03C@mailhost.aprisma.com>
Message-ID: <20010420155713.C5759@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl>

Quoting Clayton, Robert, <rclayton at aprisma.com>:
> I had the pipe in there. Still got the same result. This seems to be my stumbling block. 
> In am also running Sendmail as the MTA. It is the latest and greatest version.

Is Sendmail using a SMRSH environment to run things? If so, have you 
checked if the wrapper program is in the list of executables that
Sendmail is allowed to run? Refer to README.SENDMAIL in your source
dir.

Another thing to do would be to run /path/to/mailman/home/bin/check_perms
to see if all is okay.

> From: Philippe Rodriguez
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Clayton, Robert wrote:
> 
> > I am getting the following error.
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"
> >     (reason: can't create (user) output file)
> >     (expanded from: <test-request at nmsl80.aprisma.com>)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > 554 5.3.0 /usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests... cannot open /usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests: Permission denied
> > 550 5.0.0 "/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"... Can't create output
> I think you forgot the "|" before the command in your alias file : you
>  should have something like
> 
> test-request:  "|/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

HTH,

\Geert.
-- 
Geert Altena | Geert at arago.utwente.nl | Coffee, black, no sugar
      Finger for PGPkey : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - Niels Bohr



From dean at vipersoft.co.uk  Fri Apr 20 15:57:42 2001
From: dean at vipersoft.co.uk (Dean Richard Benson)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:57:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Ownership of config.db file
Message-ID: <GDEFKCALBHNIPMNMMKFBIEFICHAA.dean@vipersoft.co.uk>

Hi all.

I am running mailman v 2.0.3.

I have followed the instructions, but have somewhat of a worrying problem
with the program.  The config.db and config.db last file keep switching
their ownership to "nobody" which apache runs as.  This causes an error
in the log file, and mailman wont work until i reset it back. (outputs
all shown below.  When I change it back, within minutes its back to
nobody.mailman

Does anyone know what could be wrong here?

Thanks in advance for any help offered.

Dean

root:/home/mailman/lists/members# ls -la
total 400
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr 20 14:15 .
drwxrwsr-x   3 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 30 22:27 ..
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1706 Mar 30 22:27 admindbpreamble.html
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      4998 Apr 20 14:15 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      4998 Apr 20 14:15 config.db.last
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       189 Mar 30 22:27 handle_opts.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1026 Mar 30 22:27 headfoot.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      3325 Mar 30 22:40 listinfo.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman    336549 Apr 20 14:04 next-digest
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       510 Apr 20 14:04 next-digest-topics
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      4772 Mar 30 22:40 options.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         2 Apr 20 14:15 request.db
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1169 Mar 30 22:27 roster.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       198 Mar 30 22:27 subscribe.html


root:/home/mailman/logs# tail error
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      mlist = open_list(listname)
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 174, in open_list
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      mlist =
MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      self.Load()
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      fp = open(dbfile)
Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission
denied: '/home/mailman/lists/members/config.db'
root:/home/mailman/logs#




From pug at pug.net  Fri Apr 20 15:58:05 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:58:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group write permissions necessary?
Message-ID: <20010420085805.A15440@stardock.pug.net>

Good Morning,

  With the group write permissions on the directory, it's a little less
  secure and I would like to get rid of that. Are there any issues with
  getting rid of it?

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From rclayton at aprisma.com  Fri Apr 20 16:32:49 2001
From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:32:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving right along here
Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE047@mailhost.aprisma.com>

I am getting the following error. Has anyone else encountered this issue? 


  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: <test-request at nmsl80.aprisma.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr2/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 69, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr2/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 47, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr2/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
554 5.3.0 "|/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 1


Bob Clayton	
Premium Support Account Manager
Spectrum Product Support 




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Fri Apr 20 17:14:05 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help request
In-Reply-To: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE039@mailhost.aprisma.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104200811440.11606-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Clayton, Robert wrote:
> I am getting the following error.
> It appears to be a rights issue. However, the message nor docs state where it creates the reply messages. Please help.

I don't think the docs can tell you that you misspelled a sendmail alias.

> "/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"

That says: overwrite the wrapper with my message.  (Or maybe it says
create a file called "wrapper mailcmd tests" in /usr2/mailman/mail and put
my message in it.  I'm not sure.)

You meant to say

  "|/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tests"

and forgot the pipe character.

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From leo at performanceonline.com.br  Fri Apr 20 19:14:46 2001
From: leo at performanceonline.com.br (Leonardo Costa)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:14:46 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <000d01c0c9bd$69afba60$0251a8c0@performanceonline.com.br>

Hi guys,

i'm using Mailman version 2.0beta5.
Some days ago, the mailman doesn't delivery any mail for any list i have =
at my server.

It was working with no problem, i didn't make any kind of change in my =
mailserver and Domain Server.
The message is sent, i don't receive any email with error messages, i =
can see the email at the archives, but anyone receive the email.
Somebody can tell me what may be wrong?
This is the log with the error:

Apr 20 00:00:02 2001 (943) All recipients refused: host not found
Apr 20 00:00:02 2001 (943) smtp for 14 recips, completed in 0.018 seconds


thanks.






From ireid at bcoe.org  Fri Apr 20 19:31:00 2001
From: ireid at bcoe.org (Iain Reid)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:31:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases setup
Message-ID: <0069CB7FC31CD111A15900805FC12C3603FBE627@edison-wan.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us>

Hi,
	Am using Mailamn as part of intergate installation. Have set up list
but no aliases have been setup for the listserv processes itself, so of
course sending to listaname-request at domain.com comes back with
undeliverable. Can somebosy please point me in the right direction for
sample aliases for a mailman installation? would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Iain Reid.



From rclayton at aprisma.com  Fri Apr 20 19:45:15 2001
From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:45:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases setup
Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE061@mailhost.aprisma.com>

When the list is created, the needed format is at the bottom of the confirmation.
You should be able to copy paste these straight to the aliases file.

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Iain Reid [mailto:ireid at bcoe.org]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:31 PM
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliases setup


Hi,
	Am using Mailamn as part of intergate installation. Have set up list
but no aliases have been setup for the listserv processes itself, so of
course sending to listaname-request at domain.com comes back with
undeliverable. Can somebosy please point me in the right direction for
sample aliases for a mailman installation? would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Iain Reid.

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From agils at olanet.net  Fri Apr 20 20:25:00 2001
From: agils at olanet.net (agils)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:25:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] <submission>
Message-ID: <003101c0c9c7$39fe0ec0$d6df96d5@AntonioGil>

> Please receive my submission.
> Thanks
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From timsn at home.com  Fri Apr 20 22:35:56 2001
From: timsn at home.com (TJ Snider)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:35:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman...
Message-ID: <B705EBBC.14341%timsn@home.com>

Hi Folks,

I've been trying for the last day and a bit trying to get Mailman installed,
with mixed results.
I'm a long term(16 yrs) developer mostly C/C++ & Java on Mac and Winedows,
but have some old BSD experience. I'm still coming up to speed with all the
sys admin bits of Linux, (I used to help admin an old BSD 4.2 box). I'm also
new to Python, but it looks pretty simple to pickup.

I have a RH 6.2 system with a 2.4 kernel, and Exim as the mailer. Python is
1.5.2.

I'm running Apache 1.3.17 with a total of 3 virtual domain(one IP), and I'm
running my own DNS for all three such as(names not real);

a.com
b.org
c.net

with a.com being the 'host' domain.

I've installed mailman, defaulting to /home/mailman and am able to send the
mail for the test mailing list, so the mail path works. However I note that
the configuration script picks up c.net as the domain name... despite the
hostname being a.com, so there's a chance that my DNS configuration isn't
quite what mailman wants.

I am unable to get to www.a.com/mailman/, and I've pretty scrupulously
followed the install instructions.

I've tried several different configuration options but to little avail.

Does this scenario twig anyones memory, or does anyone have any suggestions
for what to try next?

Thanks hopefully in advance,

TJ 



From Johannes.Egger at free.darkrealms.org  Sat Apr 21 00:18:44 2001
From: Johannes.Egger at free.darkrealms.org (John)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:18:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman...
References: <B705EBBC.14341%timsn@home.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01c0c9e7$dd376f80$db35aac1@technik.sth.ac.at>

----- Original Message -----
From: "TJ Snider" <timsn at home.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:35 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman...


> Hi Folks,
>
> I've been trying for the last day and a bit trying to get Mailman
installed,
> with mixed results.
> I'm a long term(16 yrs) developer mostly C/C++ & Java on Mac and Winedows,
> but have some old BSD experience. I'm still coming up to speed with all
the
> sys admin bits of Linux, (I used to help admin an old BSD 4.2 box). I'm
also
> new to Python, but it looks pretty simple to pickup.
>
> I have a RH 6.2 system with a 2.4 kernel, and Exim as the mailer. Python
is
> 1.5.2.
>
> I'm running Apache 1.3.17 with a total of 3 virtual domain(one IP), and
I'm
> running my own DNS for all three such as(names not real);
>
> a.com
> b.org
> c.net
>
> with a.com being the 'host' domain.
>
> I've installed mailman, defaulting to /home/mailman and am able to send
the
> mail for the test mailing list, so the mail path works. However I note
that
> the configuration script picks up c.net as the domain name... despite the
> hostname being a.com, so there's a chance that my DNS configuration isn't
> quite what mailman wants.
>
> I am unable to get to www.a.com/mailman/, and I've pretty scrupulously
> followed the install instructions.
I don't understand why that shouldn't be possible.
(1) where /mailman/ lives under is pretty much defined by your httpd setup.
make sure you have a directory-directive that makes /home/mailman/cgi-bin
accessible.
In the VirtualHost directive for www.a.com, add a ScriptAlias-directive such
as:
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

(2) take a look at /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_py.cfg.
make sure that "default host name" is set to "a.com" and "default url" is
set to
http://www.a.com/mailman/

DO NOT FORGET THE TRAILING SLASH for "default url".

If you have any problems, look at your webserver logs, they shall help you..
as far as I can tell, if you follow these instructions, there shouldn't be
any problems..



John


>
> I've tried several different configuration options but to little avail.
>
> Does this scenario twig anyones memory, or does anyone have any
suggestions
> for what to try next?
>
> Thanks hopefully in advance,
>
> TJ
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From peewee at scc.mi.org  Sat Apr 21 02:43:48 2001
From: peewee at scc.mi.org (Jason Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:43:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] posting filters query
Message-ID: <20010420174348.B39318@scc.mi.org>

howdy...

i'm running internal lists for my company on mailman 2.0.4 with python 2.0
under solaris 7.  say that our domain name is example.com.

i'm trying to set things up so that *@example.com can post to the lists but
all other addresses are held for approval as explained here:

	http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-February/009828.html

teo de hesselle responded, suggesting using a regex:

	http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-February/009835.html

neither post says exactly which configuration option that regex should go in,
but it seems to me that 'posters' is the correct place.  if i use the
following

	moderated = 0
	member_posting_only = 1
	posters = ['.*@example\\.com']

and post from jwright at example.com, an address which is not subscribed to the
list, the post is held for approval.

if i change 'posters' to

	posters = ['.*@example\\.com', 'jwright at example.com']

then posts from jwright at example.com go through, so it seems that 'posters' 
doesn't accept regular expressions.

am i tweaking the wrong settings?

tia,

PeeWee

-- 
email: peewee at scc.mi.org - useless: http://www.scc.mi.org/peewee/ - efnet:  Pwe
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From morten at thingamy.net  Sat Apr 21 13:27:51 2001
From: morten at thingamy.net (Morten W. Petersen)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:27:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ?MX? setup
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104211324560.11272-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>

Hia guys,

(please put me on CC as I'm not subscribed to the list)

I've got a problem with some mailing lists.  The mailing lists work
perfectly for all others except users at bcryachts.com.

It should be noted that sending mail to any recipient at bcryachts.com
works, from the box, using pine (haven't tested any other clients).

Here's the returned mail message:

<start message>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at bcryachts.atsat.com>
To: postmaster at bcryachts.atsat.com, bcr-devel-admin at thingamy.net
Subject: Returned mail: Local configuration error
 
The original message was received at Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
from IDENT:nobody at localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
 
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<jeanette at bcryachts.com>
 
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
553 mail.bcryachts.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 <jeanette at bcryachts.com>... Local configuration error
 
    [ Part 2: "" ]
 
Reporting-MTA: dns; bcryachts.atsat.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost.localdomain
Arrival-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
 
Final-Recipient: RFC822; jeanette at bcryachts.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.5.0
Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.bcryachts.com
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
 
Return-Path: <bcr-devel-admin at thingamy.net>
Received: from bcryachts.atsat.com (IDENT:nobody at localhost.localdomain
[127.0.0.1])
        by bcryachts.atsat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03003
        for <jeanette at bcryachts.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
Message-Id: <200104200829.DAA03003 at bcryachts.atsat.com>
Subject: Welcome to the "BCR-devel" mailing list
From: bcr-devel-request at thingamy.net
To: jeanette at bcryachts.com
Sender: bcr-devel-admin at thingamy.net
Errors-To: bcr-devel-admin at thingamy.net
X-BeenThere: bcr-devel at thingamy.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
Precedence: bulk
List-Id: Development list for the bcr project. <bcr-devel.thingamy.net>
</end message>

<start configuration>
[morten at bcryachts morten]$ /sbin/ifconfig ;dnsquery bcryachts.com
lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
          RX packets:893826564 errors:1034574 dropped:0 overruns:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:893826564
 
eth0      Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:C0:4F:1F:FA:D6
          inet addr:195.10.32.105  Bcast:195.10.32.127
Mask:255.255.255.128
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:2147483647 errors:11983350 dropped:0 overruns:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:2147483647
          Interrupt:16 Base address:0x1000
 
eth0:1    Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:C0:4F:1F:FA:D6
          inet addr:193.41.72.105  Bcast:193.41.72.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
          Interrupt:16 Base address:0x1000
 
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 41880
;; flags: qr aa ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 2
;;      bcryachts.com, type = ANY, class = IN
bcryachts.com.          1H IN NS        ns1.arico.se.
bcryachts.com.          1H IN NS        ns.udd.net.
bcryachts.com.          1H IN SOA
ns1.arico.se. administrator.arico.se. (
                                        11              ; serial
                                        1H              ; refresh
                                        10M             ; retry
                                        12H             ; expiry
                                        1H )            ; minimum
 
bcryachts.com.          1H IN MX        10 mail.bcryachts.com.
ns1.arico.se.           1H IN A         195.22.86.3
mail.bcryachts.com.     1H IN A         62.20.106.40
[morten at bcryachts morten]$
</end configuration>

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Morten





From dball at wcom.ca  Sat Apr 21 14:14:19 2001
From: dball at wcom.ca (David Ball)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:14:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with ?MX? setup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104211324560.11272-100000@bcryachts.atsat.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104210749240.23140-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>

	The only time I've ever seen that error is when there was no
entry in either sendmail.cw or the virtusertable in Sendmail for that
domain.
	Not sure why you'd be able to send to them right from the box
though...unless perhaps you have something in /etc/aliases for the
username you're sending to.

David

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Morten W. Petersen wrote:

> Hia guys,
> 
> (please put me on CC as I'm not subscribed to the list)
> 
> I've got a problem with some mailing lists.  The mailing lists work
> perfectly for all others except users at bcryachts.com.
> 
> It should be noted that sending mail to any recipient at bcryachts.com
> works, from the box, using pine (haven't tested any other clients).
> 
> Here's the returned mail message:
> 
> <start message>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at bcryachts.atsat.com>
> To: postmaster at bcryachts.atsat.com, bcr-devel-admin at thingamy.net
> Subject: Returned mail: Local configuration error
>  
> The original message was received at Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
> from IDENT:nobody at localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]
>  
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <jeanette at bcryachts.com>
>  
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 553 mail.bcryachts.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
> 554 <jeanette at bcryachts.com>... Local configuration error
>  
>     [ Part 2: "" ]
>  
> Reporting-MTA: dns; bcryachts.atsat.com
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost.localdomain
> Arrival-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
>  
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; jeanette at bcryachts.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.5.0
> Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.bcryachts.com
> Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
>  
> Return-Path: <bcr-devel-admin at thingamy.net>
> Received: from bcryachts.atsat.com (IDENT:nobody at localhost.localdomain
> [127.0.0.1])
>         by bcryachts.atsat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03003
>         for <jeanette at bcryachts.com>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:29:55 -0500
> Message-Id: <200104200829.DAA03003 at bcryachts.atsat.com>
> Subject: Welcome to the "BCR-devel" mailing list
> From: bcr-devel-request at thingamy.net
> To: jeanette at bcryachts.com
> Sender: bcr-devel-admin at thingamy.net
> Errors-To: bcr-devel-admin at thingamy.net
> X-BeenThere: bcr-devel at thingamy.net
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
> Precedence: bulk
> List-Id: Development list for the bcr project. <bcr-devel.thingamy.net>
> </end message>
> 
> <start configuration>
> [morten at bcryachts morten]$ /sbin/ifconfig ;dnsquery bcryachts.com
> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
>           RX packets:893826564 errors:1034574 dropped:0 overruns:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:893826564
>  
> eth0      Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:C0:4F:1F:FA:D6
>           inet addr:195.10.32.105  Bcast:195.10.32.127
> Mask:255.255.255.128
>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>           RX packets:2147483647 errors:11983350 dropped:0 overruns:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:2147483647
>           Interrupt:16 Base address:0x1000
>  
> eth0:1    Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:C0:4F:1F:FA:D6
>           inet addr:193.41.72.105  Bcast:193.41.72.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
>           Interrupt:16 Base address:0x1000
>  
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 41880
> ;; flags: qr aa ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 2
> ;;      bcryachts.com, type = ANY, class = IN
> bcryachts.com.          1H IN NS        ns1.arico.se.
> bcryachts.com.          1H IN NS        ns.udd.net.
> bcryachts.com.          1H IN SOA
> ns1.arico.se. administrator.arico.se. (
>                                         11              ; serial
>                                         1H              ; refresh
>                                         10M             ; retry
>                                         12H             ; expiry
>                                         1H )            ; minimum
>  
> bcryachts.com.          1H IN MX        10 mail.bcryachts.com.
> ns1.arico.se.           1H IN A         195.22.86.3
> mail.bcryachts.com.     1H IN A         62.20.106.40
> [morten at bcryachts morten]$
> </end configuration>
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Morten
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From dan at aviss.co.jp  Sat Apr 21 18:18:58 2001
From: dan at aviss.co.jp (dan at aviss.co.jp)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:18:58 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJU0lQyVIJVslOSVIQmdKZz04GyhC?=
Message-ID: <200104211618.BAA20534@mail.aviss.co.jp>

?????????????

?????????????????????????
??????????????
?????????????????????????????

???????????????????????6?1???
???????????????????????????

?????????????????????????????
http://dandle.aviss.co.jp/host/ent.html
??:?????????????????????






From BizOpClass at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 01:34:09 2001
From: BizOpClass at aol.com (BizOpClass at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:34:09 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding sign up method and passwords
Message-ID: <2d.a7e76f1.281372f1@aol.com>

Hi, 

My current hoster offers your list server in thier hosting packages
and I am currently trying to configure the Mailman manager into my
Website.

I am totally new to list managers and have absolutely no knowledge
of how to set them up. Here is my question. On my homepage which
is still being built I have planned to put an E-mail text box in order for
subscribers to sign up for the Website newsletter. Can I still use
this program for this form of sign up?

Another words I don't want them to go else where to sign up
Only on the homepage.

Also, I am not interested in having individuals use passwords.
Can I totally bypass this and just have individuals sign up 
and subscribe by placing their E-mails only?

Any an all question that you can answer is greatly appreciated.
Or if you can tell me where I can find the answers to these 
question that would be very beneficial.

Sincerely yours,
Anthony Garcia 



From marc_news at valinux.com  Sun Apr 22 05:19:19 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:19:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group write permissions necessary?
In-Reply-To: <20010420085805.A15440@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:58:05AM -0500
References: <20010420085805.A15440@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010421201919.A1756@gandalf.merlins.org>

On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:58:05AM -0500, Pug Bainter wrote:
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
>   With the group write permissions on the directory, it's a little less
>   secure and I would like to get rid of that. Are there any issues with
>   getting rid of it?

Yes, as soon as  root or some other privileged user  runs a mailman command,
config.db will  be owned by  a user other than  mailman, and your  list will
stop working.

While it is  designed to fix a  different issue, if you  use the securelinux
fix in contrib (see  your source tree), it should allow  you to remove group
writeable permissions on dirs.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From druding at straw.com  Sun Apr 22 15:17:03 2001
From: druding at straw.com (S. C. Druding)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:17:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to unsubscribe users in a group?
In-Reply-To: <E14qzow-0005pA-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010422061426.03552280@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I use Mailman with a group of users who are very un-techy and they simply 
cannot figure out how to unsubscribe themselves so I often do it for them. 
When I have a list of 12-15 to drop it takes forever using the Web page and 
doing it one-at-a-time.

Is there any way to email in a group drop for a  short list or in any way 
do UNsubs the way you can do a group of new Subs?

Thanks,

Susan

Susan Druding
Quilting Guide 




From dball at wcom.ca  Sun Apr 22 17:12:04 2001
From: dball at wcom.ca (David Ball)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:12:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to unsubscribe users in a group?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010422061426.03552280@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104221100150.10686-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>

	Hi Susan.  If you're the list administrator, you should be able to
enter the administrative interface
(http://some.url.com/mailman/admin/listname), select the Membership
Management, then just remove the checkmark from any users wishing to be
unsubscribed.  That same page allows you to mass subscribe multiple users.
	If you're not the list admin, they should be able to send email to
listname-request at domain.com and include the following in the body for
multiple unsubscribes (though I have yet to try it)...

unsubscribe password-here emailaddress1
unsubscribe password-here emailaddress2
etc...

	The admin interface is much easier, of course.  :)  For more
commands, I'd recommend them sending email to listname-request at domain.com
and simply put the word   help    in the body.
	Hope that helps

On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, S. C. Druding wrote:

> 
> I use Mailman with a group of users who are very un-techy and they simply 
> cannot figure out how to unsubscribe themselves so I often do it for them. 
> When I have a list of 12-15 to drop it takes forever using the Web page and 
> doing it one-at-a-time.
> 
> Is there any way to email in a group drop for a  short list or in any way 
> do UNsubs the way you can do a group of new Subs?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Susan
> 
> Susan Druding
> Quilting Guide 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 







From cht at ccil.org  Sun Apr 22 18:59:19 2001
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to unsubscribe users in a group?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104221100150.10686-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104221250120.6464-100000@mercury.ccil.org>

Hi,

This is a quick and easy way to unsub list members without a pw.  However
since you can only see 30 names at a time it becomes more difficult with
larger than 60 member lists.  

We just went through what was almost an attack with people posting remove
me requests to the list.  Some sent several an hour. Next there was a wave
of requests to be removed because of the jammed in boxes.  If we can have
group subscription why not group unsubscription.

Del

On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, David Ball wrote:

> 	Hi Susan.  If you're the list administrator, you should be able to
> enter the administrative interface
> (http://some.url.com/mailman/admin/listname), select the Membership
> Management, then just remove the checkmark from any users wishing to be
> unsubscribed.  That same page allows you to mass subscribe multiple users.
> 	If you're not the list admin, they should be able to send email to
> listname-request at domain.com and include the following in the body for
> multiple unsubscribes (though I have yet to try it)...
> 
> unsubscribe password-here emailaddress1
> unsubscribe password-here emailaddress2
> etc...
> 
> 	The admin interface is much easier, of course.  :)  For more
> commands, I'd recommend them sending email to listname-request at domain.com
> and simply put the word   help    in the body.
> 	Hope that helps
> 
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, S. C. Druding wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I use Mailman with a group of users who are very un-techy and they simply 
> > cannot figure out how to unsubscribe themselves so I often do it for them. 
> > When I have a list of 12-15 to drop it takes forever using the Web page and 
> > doing it one-at-a-time.
> > 
> > Is there any way to email in a group drop for a  short list or in any way 
> > do UNsubs the way you can do a group of new Subs?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Susan
> > 
> > Susan Druding
> > Quilting Guide 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From druding at straw.com  Sun Apr 22 19:13:41 2001
From: druding at straw.com (S. C. Druding)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to unsubscribe users in a group?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104221250120.6464-100000@mercury.ccil.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104221100150.10686-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010422100935.02f65cb0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Yes, I have an Announcement Only list of thousands - removing the Unsubs 
means doing them one-at-a-time, one per page and it's very, very slow going.

I never have more than one member in a group of 30 to unsub - so each one 
means opening a separate page, unchecking, going to the bottom and hitting 
Submit and waiting for that screen to finish.

Since my list is Announcement Only I receive a lot of requests from people 
who don't understand the way it works and don't have a clue about getting 
their password - they don't even know that they HAVE a password!

Susan

Susan Druding
Straw Into Gold - Crystal Palace Yarns


At 12:59 PM 4/22/01 -0400, Cordell H. Thomas wrote:
>Hi,
>
>This is a quick and easy way to unsub list members without a pw.  However
>since you can only see 30 names at a time it becomes more difficult with
>larger than 60 member lists.
>
>We just went through what was almost an attack with people posting remove
>me requests to the list.  Some sent several an hour. Next there was a wave
>of requests to be removed because of the jammed in boxes.  If we can have
>group subscription why not group unsubscription.
>
>Del
>
>On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, David Ball wrote:
>
> >       Hi Susan.  If you're the list administrator, you should be able to
> > enter the administrative interface
> > (http://some.url.com/mailman/admin/listname), select the Membership
> > Management, then just remove the checkmark from any users wishing to be
> > unsubscribed.  That same page allows you to mass subscribe multiple users.
> >       If you're not the list admin, they should be able to send email to
> > listname-request at domain.com and include the following in the body for
> > multiple unsubscribes (though I have yet to try it)...
> >
> > unsubscribe password-here emailaddress1
> > unsubscribe password-here emailaddress2
> > etc...
> >
> >       The admin interface is much easier, of course.  :)  For more
> > commands, I'd recommend them sending email to listname-request at domain.com
> > and simply put the word   help    in the body.
> >       Hope that helps
> >
> > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, S. C. Druding wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I use Mailman with a group of users who are very un-techy and they 
> simply
> > > cannot figure out how to unsubscribe themselves so I often do it for 
> them.
> > > When I have a list of 12-15 to drop it takes forever using the Web 
> page and
> > > doing it one-at-a-time.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to email in a group drop for a  short list or in any 
> way
> > > do UNsubs the way you can do a group of new Subs?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Susan
> > >
> > > Susan Druding
> > > Quilting Guide
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >




From scriptures at ifriendly.com  Sun Apr 22 19:28:05 2001
From: scriptures at ifriendly.com (scriptures)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:28:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgade
Message-ID: <001d01c0cb51$b0361de0$07501440@ifriendly.com>

To whom it may concern,

I am using Mailman version 1.1. However, I see you have a 3.0 version.
Where can I download this version? I didn't see any on the site.

God Bless,

Rosario Abate,
Founder of Scriptures(tm)











From ashley at pcraft.com  Sun Apr 22 19:32:38 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:32:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to unsubscribe users in a group?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104221250120.6464-100000@mercury.ccil.org>
Message-ID: <3AE315B6.96BDFDD9@pcraft.com>

"Cordell H. Thomas" wrote:

> This is a quick and easy way to unsub list members without a pw.  However
> since you can only see 30 names at a time it becomes more difficult with
> larger than 60 member lists.

    Anything over 10 members, I won't use the web interface.  I dump the list
members in a text file, remove the ones that needs to be unsubscribe (just do
search and delete), and then run sync_members on the list.  Voila.  Of course, this
is assuming you have access to mailman's command line on the machine.

    AMK4

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From pug at pug.net  Sun Apr 22 22:39:34 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:39:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group write permissions necessary?
In-Reply-To: <20010421201919.A1756@gandalf.merlins.org>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 08:19:19PM -0700
References: <20010420085805.A15440@stardock.pug.net> <20010421201919.A1756@gandalf.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20010422153934.A23317@stardock.pug.net>

Marc MERLIN (marc_news at valinux.com) said something that sounded like:
> Yes, as soon as  root or some other privileged user  runs a mailman command,
> config.db will  be owned by  a user other than  mailman, and your  list will
> stop working.

Silly question. Why don't the programs set the proper permissions and
ownerships? It seems that since it's stored in the Defaults.py that it
could do that.

> While it is  designed to fix a  different issue, if you  use the securelinux
> fix in contrib (see  your source tree), it should allow  you to remove group
> writeable permissions on dirs.

Thanks. I'll look into that.

Ciao,

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From contemparydesign at btinternet.com  Mon Apr 23 00:07:47 2001
From: contemparydesign at btinternet.com (newsletter promote)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:07:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] patnership
Message-ID: <006201c0cb78$ab4c6b00$5937fea9@oemcomputer>


Hi aim soon to launch a hand submission service to 30 of the leading ezine/newsletter directories.
And wonder if you would be interested in my affiliate programme. 
I will be launching the site at the end of the month, and I will be offering excellent rate for my associates. 
Please let me know of your thoughts. 

Paul Knapp
www.newsletterpromote.com 

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From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Mon Apr 23 00:31:18 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:31:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgade
In-Reply-To: <001d01c0cb51$b0361de0$07501440@ifriendly.com>; from scriptures@ifriendly.com on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 01:28:05PM -0400
References: <001d01c0cb51$b0361de0$07501440@ifriendly.com>
Message-ID: <20010423003118.A20026@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl>

Quoting scriptures, <scriptures at ifriendly.com>:

> I am using Mailman version 1.1. However, I see you have a 3.0 version.
> Where can I download this version? I didn't see any on the site.

Erm...Version 3.0? Mailman's latest version is 2.0.3, not 3.0, check
http://www.list.org for the most recent version.

HTH,
\Geert.
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From jdeprisco at paonline.com  Mon Apr 23 00:41:18 2001
From: jdeprisco at paonline.com (Jeremy dePrisco)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:41:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troubleshooting mail submissions
Message-ID: <01C0CB5B.D3DFDCE0.jdeprisco@paonline.com>

I am trying to post to a Mailman list. I am the administrator of the list, 
and recently added a group of people and sent a message. I got a 
confirmation, but so far three people have reported they didn't receive 
anything. I've checked all of the obvious options, but still can't figure 
out why the subscribers did not get the message.

Can anyone help? What are the main reasons this problem would occur?

________________________________
Jeremy J. dePrisco
Singer-Songwriter
MINDSPEAK & Blue Buddha Records
PO Box 4936
Harrisburg, PA 17111-0936
http://www.mindspeak.com
http://www.mp3.com/mindspeak
mailto:jdeprisco at paonline.com
MANDALA: http://www.mindspeak.com/mandala.htm




From pjschrei at undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca  Mon Apr 23 03:19:13 2001
From: pjschrei at undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:19:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman user not found
Message-ID: <20010423011953.RNZS28050.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.0.189]>

I'm trying to install mailman on a rebel.com netwinder (ARM processor, 
Linux 2.2.14, redhat-based). I installed Python 2.0 via an rpm I found on 
netwinder.org. seems to work okay.


# uname -a
Linux imprint2 2.2.14-20000612 #1 Mon Jun 12 18:08:37 EDT 2000 armv4l 
unknown

# /usr/local/bin/python2.0 -V
Python 2.0

I looked up the cgi user (in httpd.conf) and the mail user (in 
sendmail.cf)

# grep '^User ' /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
User httpd

# grep DefaultUser /etc/sendmail.cf
O DefaultUser=8:12

# grep :8: /etc/passwd
mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail:

here's my problem: configure says I don't have a mailman user. 

>[root at imprint2 mailman-2.0.4]# ./configure 
>--with-python=/usr/local/bin/python --with-cgi-gid=httpd --with-mail-gid=mail
>loading cache ./config.cache
>checking for --with-python... /usr/local/bin/python
>checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
>checking Python version... 2.0
>checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
>checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
>checking for true... /bin/true
>checking for --without-gcc... no
>checking for gcc... gcc
>checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
>checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
>checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
>checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
>checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
>checking for --with-var-prefix... no
>checking for --with-username... mailman
>checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>    import pwd, string
>ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload/pwdmodule.so: ELF file 
>OS ABI not 0
>cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory
>
>configure: error: 
>***** No "mailman" user found!
>***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
>***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
>***** file for details.

But I do:

# grep mailman /etc/passwd
mailman:x:561:562::/home/mailman:/bin/bash

# grep mailman /etc/group
mailman:x:562:mailman


what's going on? how do i fix this?

Paul

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fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner /
       / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers /
         
         t h i n k  d i f f e r e n t.

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 everybody is plotting to deceive, inveigle, and obfuscate.
 ...
 Where are you going?"
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 -- Fox Mulder, "The X-Files"




From sclark at tpg.com.au  Mon Apr 23 04:28:19 2001
From: sclark at tpg.com.au (Stuart Clark)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:28:19 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010423122809.01bbf6f0@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>

Hi, 

I am getting the following error sent via email by the cron job qrunner from Mailman 2.0.3:



Subject: Cron <mailman at lists> /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

sh: unexpected EOF while looking for `''
sh: -c: line 2: syntax error



I have no idea where this extra ' is located in any of the imported files, and have tried to use strace and python -d to find out where but to no avail.  It may even me a message in the qfiles directory for all I know. 

The error is not log logged in ./logs/errors.  It is interesting that is the "sh" program that is complaining too.

Can anyone help?  Thanks in advance.


Stuart.






From ari at bear.com  Mon Apr 23 04:47:54 2001
From: ari at bear.com (Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange))
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <DFE067851E97D21199F300A0C99B231D03D50D2F@whmsx20.is.bear.com>

Stuart,

It sounds like a problem in your crontab entry, not in mailman.  Check the
crontab entry.

Ari

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Clark [mailto:sclark at tpg.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 10:28 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


Hi, 

I am getting the following error sent via email by the cron job qrunner from
Mailman 2.0.3:



Subject: Cron <mailman at lists> /usr/bin/python
/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

sh: unexpected EOF while looking for `''
sh: -c: line 2: syntax error



I have no idea where this extra ' is located in any of the imported files,
and have tried to use strace and python -d to find out where but to no
avail.  It may even me a message in the qfiles directory for all I know. 

The error is not log logged in ./logs/errors.  It is interesting that is the
"sh" program that is complaining too.

Can anyone help?  Thanks in advance.


Stuart.




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From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Apr 23 02:52:41 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:52:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject line spacing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104040649120.1916-100000@hal9k.myip.org>; from satyap@satya.virtualave.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:50:36AM +0530
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104040649120.1916-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <20010422175241.I830@gandalf.merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:50:36AM +0530, Satya wrote:
> Subject: [Teamct]moo
>                  ^
> 
> That's an example from one of my lists. I seem to be running 2.0.1.
> What happened to the space? It also happens on other lists at this
> installation.

Sorry for the late reply (I don't think you've had one yet).

The  problem comes  from using  lynx or  some other  browser that  truncates
spaces at the end of text edit fields.
Someone edited  your list  config with  one of those  tools and  removed the
trailing space in the process.

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Apr 23 01:08:32 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:08:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
In-Reply-To: <15044.44067.757106.274716@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@digicool.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 10:54:11AM -0500
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103291141200.52095-100000@phred.org> <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com> <15044.44067.757106.274716@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010422160832.G830@gandalf.merlins.org>

On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 10:54:11AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "cvr" == chuq von rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> writes:
> 
>     cvr> yup. and until the spam goes away, that'll continue,
>     cvr> too.
> 
> Our Exim administrator has installed the filters suggested by Marc
> Merlin (thanks Marc).  Let's see if that staunches the flow of spam.

The only way to know for sure is to look at the exim rejectlogs, people will
complain about the 10% of spam that still goes through :-)

And then, there are the perfectly legitimate posts from clueless people :-)
(but now  that you restricted  posting by  non members, both  options should
reduce spam to about 0)

Marc
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From gnu at gnu.org  Mon Apr 23 04:34:30 2001
From: gnu at gnu.org (Free Software Foundation)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:34:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman in our product
In-Reply-To: <3AA81DDC.7C903937@uts.edu.au>; from teo.dehesselle@uts.edu.au on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:03:40AM +1100
References: <HOEKJLPDCGPGMDKHIBFBEEGICJAA.shannon@4charity.com> <3AA81DDC.7C903937@uts.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20010422223430.Y7314@ebb.org>

Teo de Hesselle <teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au> wrote:
> From memory, you can do whatever you like to GPL'd software as long as
> you dont redistribute it.

That's not strictly true.  The GPL covers copying, redistribution, and
modification.  If any of that is done, the terms of the GPL apply.

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From sclark at tpg.com.au  Mon Apr 23 08:26:17 2001
From: sclark at tpg.com.au (Stuart Clark)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:26:17 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner & unexpected EOF
In-Reply-To: <DFE067851E97D21199F300A0C99B231D03D50D2F@whmsx20.is.bear.c
 om>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010423155156.085bc5b0@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>

There is nothing strange about it..  and I dont get errors from other jobs


# crontab -l -u mailman | grep -v "#"

0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
0,10,20,.30,40,50 * * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner


Kind regards,  Stuart.


At 12:47 PM 23/4/2001, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:
>Stuart,
>
>It sounds like a problem in your crontab entry, not in mailman.  Check the
>crontab entry.
>
>Ari
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stuart Clark [mailto:sclark at tpg.com.au]
>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 10:28 PM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
>
>
>Hi, 
>
>I am getting the following error sent via email by the cron job qrunner from
>Mailman 2.0.3:
>
>
>
>Subject: Cron <mailman at lists> /usr/bin/python
>/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner
>
>sh: unexpected EOF while looking for `''
>sh: -c: line 2: syntax error
>
>
>
>I have no idea where this extra ' is located in any of the imported files,
>and have tried to use strace and python -d to find out where but to no
>avail.  It may even me a message in the qfiles directory for all I know. 
>
>The error is not log logged in ./logs/errors.  It is interesting that is the
>"sh" program that is complaining too.
>
>Can anyone help?  Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Stuart.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
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>offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer 
>account or account activity contained in this communication.
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Kind regards,  Stuart


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 (02) 9850 0907

  TPG Internet 
 www.tpg.com.au 




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Mon Apr 23 08:35:08 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner & unexpected EOF
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010423155156.085bc5b0@syd-mail.tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0104222334340.23985-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Stuart Clark wrote:
> 0,10,20,.30,40,50 * * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

Not clear to me how or if it could be an issue... but you have .30 for 30.
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From PBoshoff at mweb.com  Mon Apr 23 09:53:05 2001
From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:53:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lyris to Mailman!
Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FEC03@za14nt02.mweb.com>

Hi,

I need to know how to go about this! I currently have a List server running
Lyris, but I have made the decision to move to Mailman.

I have an successful mailman v2.02 server running on a Redhat server. 

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From kisor at mailandnews.com  Mon Apr 23 14:01:04 2001
From: kisor at mailandnews.com (Kisor Ray)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:31:04 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sound card for VOIP application
Message-ID: <000801c0cbed$19bedb80$15143380@rssoftware.co.in>

Hello :
To develop voice over ip application I find that A duplex sound card is required.
I have one query : Is any 16 bit sound card is sufficient for this purpose ? Or I need 
special hardware like  Quicenet PhoneJack and Quicknet LineJack ? Could any body
please clarify this ?
Thanks 
Kisor Ray
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From kmccann at bellanet.org  Mon Apr 23 14:38:31 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lyris to Mailman!
In-Reply-To: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FEC03@za14nt02.mweb.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010423083634.07005500@internet.idrc.ca>

At 09:53 AM 2001/04/23 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I need to know how to go about this! I currently have a List server running
>Lyris, but I have made the decision to move to Mailman.
>
>I have an successful mailman v2.02 server running on a Redhat server.

Pieter,

I responded to this same question in February. You can find the text of the 
message in the archives here:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-February/009583.html

- Kevin






From pmal at space.gr  Mon Apr 23 14:47:47 2001
From: pmal at space.gr (Panagiotis Malakoudis)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:47:47 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2
Message-ID: <3AE42473.17F819D0@space.gr>

-= Newbie Allert =-

Greetz,

This is the first time I tryied to install mailman and I have a couple o
problems with the way sendmail tryies to send messages.
I get the following error:

Apr 23 15:24:18 scienide sendmail[9542]: f3NCOIw09541:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd scienide",
ctladdr=<scienide-request at scienide.space.gr> (2/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30019, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer
error 2
Apr 23 15:24:18 scienide sendmail[9542]: f3NCOIw09541: f3NCOIw09542:
DSN: unknown mailer error 2

I use slackware linux 7.1 and the latest version of sendmail. the
program starts with uid/gid mailman and the aliases file is correct.
How can sendmail report that it uses an unknown mailer? Is the mailer it
tryies to use the "mailcmd" I see?
I need help. Thank you all...






From pmal at space.gr  Mon Apr 23 15:28:07 2001
From: pmal at space.gr (Panagiotis Malakoudis)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:28:07 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 (followup)
References: <3AE42473.17F819D0@space.gr>
Message-ID: <3AE42DE7.4B9CD8F9@space.gr>

I also get the following error when I try to send a test message from the
command line...

# echo "lala" |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd scienide
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)

The configure script command I tryied was ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail
which is the guid of sendmail.


Panagiotis Malakoudis wrote:

> -= Newbie Allert =-
>
> Greetz,
>
> This is the first time I tryied to install mailman and I have a couple o
> problems with the way sendmail tryies to send messages.
> I get the following error:
>
> Apr 23 15:24:18 scienide sendmail[9542]: f3NCOIw09541:
> to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd scienide",
> ctladdr=<scienide-request at scienide.space.gr> (2/0), delay=00:00:00,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30019, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer
> error 2
> Apr 23 15:24:18 scienide sendmail[9542]: f3NCOIw09541: f3NCOIw09542:
> DSN: unknown mailer error 2
>
> I use slackware linux 7.1 and the latest version of sendmail. the
> program starts with uid/gid mailman and the aliases file is correct.
> How can sendmail report that it uses an unknown mailer? Is the mailer it
> tryies to use the "mailcmd" I see?
> I need help. Thank you all...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
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Technical Division
Space Hellas Group of Companies
Voice: +30 1 6504100






From soth at iber-rol.com  Mon Apr 23 16:07:48 2001
From: soth at iber-rol.com (Lord Soth)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:07:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Query
Message-ID: <01042316074800.15405@Dargaard.Iber-Rol>

Hi!, i've started up the mailman, but I have 1 problem
I'm trying to access web-base administration on a list (called 'foro') but 
when I put the password and click 'Let me in...', it keeps trying 'till 
timeout (sometimes, it doesn't show the html asking for password!)

Can you help me? thanks :)
-- 
Pablo Valenzuela (Alias Lord Soth)
Coordinador / Jefe t?cnico de Iber-Rol
soth at iber-rol.com
http://www.iber-rol.com



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Mon Apr 23 15:41:23 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:11:23 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject line spacing
In-Reply-To: <20010422175241.I830@gandalf.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231910050.607-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Apr 22, 2001 at 17:52, Marc MERLIN wrote:

>On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:50:36AM +0530, Satya wrote:
>> Subject: [Teamct]moo
>Sorry for the late reply (I don't think you've had one yet).

I haven't. Thanks.

>The  problem comes  from using  lynx or  some other  browser that  truncates
>spaces at the end of text edit fields.

Ah-ha! That was me, of course. I thought mailman inserts that
space. Perhaps it should?

Anyway, what part of mailman takes care of subject lines? I'll hack
that rather than change it for every list.

-- 
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US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
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hurtling down the highway." -- Andrew Tanenbaum in _Computer Networks_




From ksargen at trianinvestments.com  Mon Apr 23 17:39:08 2001
From: ksargen at trianinvestments.com (Kimberly Sargen)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:39:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Statistics?
Message-ID: <B7099AAB.352B%ksargen@trianinvestments.com>

Does anyone know of any add on software, or scripting you can run with
Mailman that will give you statistics on the mailing lists, ie. number of
unique users per e-mail list, list volume, etc.?  The non-profit
organization I'm working with would really like some numbers on just how
many people are using all the lists, and how often...

Thank you in advance!
-- 
Sincerely,

Kimberly Sargen
Web Mistress
PCOSupport - PCOList
www.pcosupport.org
Www.pcolist.org




From fil at rezo.net  Mon Apr 23 17:56:39 2001
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:56:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Statistics?
In-Reply-To: <B7099AAB.352B%ksargen@trianinvestments.com>; from ksargen@trianinvestments.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 08:39:08AM -0700
References: <B7099AAB.352B%ksargen@trianinvestments.com>
Message-ID: <20010423175639.B32740@orwell.bok.net>



@ Kimberly Sargen (ksargen at trianinvestments.com) :
> Does anyone know of any add on software, or scripting you can run with
> Mailman that will give you statistics on the mailing lists, ie. number of

I have made a script for backup and maintenance that I run once a day as a
cronjob, and that outputs the numer of subscribers of each list, the new
subscribers and the removed addresses, plus any change in the config file.
Furthermore the script makes a backup of the config if it has changed, a
backup of the subscribers list in any case, and cleverly (?) suppresses old
backups (keeping a monthly one, not daily).

Here's the script, no guarantee whatsoever.

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From jtrigg at huiekin.org  Mon Apr 23 18:10:49 2001
From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (jtrigg at huiekin.org)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:10:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] posting filters query
In-Reply-To: <20010420174348.B39318@scc.mi.org>; from peewee@scc.mi.org on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 05:43:48PM -0700
References: <20010420174348.B39318@scc.mi.org>
Message-ID: <20010423121049.B26930@dozer.liquidweb.com>

On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 05:43:48PM -0700, Jason Wright wrote:
> i'm trying to set things up so that *@example.com can post to the lists but
> all other addresses are held for approval as explained here:
> 
> 	http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-February/009828.html
> 
> teo de hesselle responded, suggesting using a regex:
> 
> 	http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-February/009835.html
> 
> neither post says exactly which configuration option that regex should go in,
> but it seems to me that 'posters' is the correct place.  if i use the
> following
> 
> 	moderated = 0
> 	member_posting_only = 1
> 	posters = ['.*@example\\.com']
> 
> and post from jwright at example.com, an address which is not subscribed to the
> list, the post is held for approval.
> 
> if i change 'posters' to
> 
> 	posters = ['.*@example\\.com', 'jwright at example.com']
> 
> then posts from jwright at example.com go through, so it seems that 'posters' 
> doesn't accept regular expressions.
> 
> am i tweaking the wrong settings?

(I haven't seen an answer come past, so here is one.)  No, you're just
tweaking them incorrectly.  You have one backslash too many;
'.*@example\\.com' will match example\.com so you want
'.*@example\.com'.  (The jwright case works because the . matches any
character.)

Jim Trigg
Itinerant List Admin
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From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Mon Apr 23 18:59:05 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:59:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a different user authentication method?
Message-ID: <15076.24409.734631.878470@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

Does anyone have any pointers to readme's or FAQ's or howto's or old
emails or anything like that which might point me along the way to
replacing Mailman's current simple password based authentication
mechanism with a different, customized one?

I want to set up a Mailman server for our company, and one thing we have
which is really nice is a well-maintained, comprehensive user login
capability, complete with LDAP servers and SSL-secured tools to access
them.  Mainly it's used to control access to sensitive intranet web
sites, but it could easily be extended to provide authentication for
Mailman.  This would be at once more secure and easier to use for our
environment.

Any hints, pointers, directions, sample implementations, etc. etc. that
anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks...

-- 
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Apr 23 22:34:07 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:34:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject line spacing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231910050.607-100000@hal9k.myip.org>; from satyap@satya.virtualave.net on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:11:23PM +0530
References: <20010422175241.I830@gandalf.merlins.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231910050.607-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <20010423133407.P21098@magic.merlins.org>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:11:23PM +0530, Satya wrote:
> Anyway, what part of mailman takes care of subject lines? I'll hack
> that rather than change it for every list.

You can rgrep the code as well as I can :-)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Apr 23 22:56:34 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:56:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Ownership of config.db file
Message-ID: <200104232056.NAA22052@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

The cron job should be running as user mailman, and user mailman's primary
group should be mailman, so it should have access to those files,
since they're group-mailman-writable.

Changing ownership is normal; that's why everything is done with
group permissions.

> Hi all.
> 
> I am running mailman v 2.0.3.
> 
> I have followed the instructions, but have somewhat of a worrying problem
> with the program.  The config.db and config.db last file keep switching
> their ownership to "nobody" which apache runs as.  This causes an error
> in the log file, and mailman wont work until i reset it back. (outputs
> all shown below.  When I change it back, within minutes its back to
> nobody.mailman
> 
> Does anyone know what could be wrong here?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help offered.
> 
> Dean
> 
> root:/home/mailman/lists/members# ls -la
> total 400
> drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      4096 Apr 20 14:15 .
> drwxrwsr-x   3 mailman  mailman      4096 Mar 30 22:27 ..
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1706 Mar 30 22:27 admindbpreamble.html
> -rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      4998 Apr 20 14:15 config.db
> -rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      4998 Apr 20 14:15 config.db.last
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       189 Mar 30 22:27 handle_opts.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1026 Mar 30 22:27 headfoot.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      3325 Mar 30 22:40 listinfo.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman    336549 Apr 20 14:04 next-digest
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       510 Apr 20 14:04 next-digest-topics
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      4772 Mar 30 22:40 options.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         2 Apr 20 14:15 request.db
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1169 Mar 30 22:27 roster.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       198 Mar 30 22:27 subscribe.html
> 
> 
> root:/home/mailman/logs# tail error
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      mlist = open_list(listname)
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
> line 174, in open_list
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      mlist =
> MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      self.Load()
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564):      fp = open(dbfile)
> Apr 20 14:29:00 2001 qrunner(10564): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission
> denied: '/home/mailman/lists/members/config.db'
> root:/home/mailman/logs#
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Apr 23 23:02:16 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:02:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner & unexpected EOF
Message-ID: <200104232102.OAA22760@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> There is nothing strange about it..  and I dont get errors from other jobs
> 
> 
> # crontab -l -u mailman | grep -v "#"
> 
> 0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests
> 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> 0,10,20,.30,40,50 * * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

Nothing about that qrunner line stands out to you?




From Eleonoreengel at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 23:14:48 2001
From: Eleonoreengel at aol.com (Eleonoreengel at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:14:48 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hilfe
Message-ID: <55.148cbd0c.2815f548@aol.com>

w?re es m?glich mich von der liste f?r e-mail (=Gen-Program) zu streichen . 
T?glich erscheinen mehrere e-mails in regard to Auskunft und Teilnehmer 
Anfragen. F?r die n?chsten 3 Monate werde ich in Deutschland sein und mein 
Komputer liegt still. Ich m?chte vermeiden da? t?glich diese vielen e-mails 
meine mailbox belasten, wohin kann ich mich by e-mail wenden um das zu 
verhindern, Eleonore Seehaus, Pawling, NY  USA 
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From MikeT at scitechsoft.com  Mon Apr 23 23:39:56 2001
From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:39:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is ADORE
Message-ID: <3AE43EBC.19790.12BA4D5@localhost>

Is this a virus?
Is this `below' the correct anacron file.

Help???

Thanks
miket

I am experiencing some troble with or list server.  It is rebooting every five minutes 
or so.  I have tracked it down to the anacron service and /etc/cron.daily/0anacron

#!/bin/sh
if [ -f /sbin/reboot ]; then
mv /usr/bin/adore /bin/ps
mv /usr/lib/lib/0anacron-bak /etc/cron.daily/0anacron
rm -rf /usr/lib/lib
/sbin/reboot
exit 0
fi
killall -9 lpd >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 lpd7.sh >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 start-lprng >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 bind >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 statdx >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 start-statd >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 start-wu26 >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 start-bind >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 pscan-bind >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 pscan-ftpd >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 pscan-lprng >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 pscan-statdx >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 wuftpd26 >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 wuscan >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 hackwu26 >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 hacklpd >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 scan.pl >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 .bla >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 xargs >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
killall -9 cat >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
mv /usr/bin/adore /bin/ps
mv /usr/lib/lib/0anacron-bak /etc/cron.daily/0anacron
rm -rf /usr/lib/lib



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     SciTech Software, Inc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michael E. Todd 
Chico, CA  95928
530-894-8400 #151



From orion at deathcon.com  Mon Apr 23 22:50:14 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:50:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is ADORE
In-Reply-To: <3AE43EBC.19790.12BA4D5@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231342490.23308-100000@mail.pirk.com>

I would say that you box has been hacked. Most likely with
a variation of the l10n (lion) worm. I would pull it
off the network and run a rootkit scan on it.

Check out http://www.sans.org/ for info. Look at the 
Alerts and Analysis section.

The script that is running looks like it is "cleaning up" the
hackers code that is running on your box...

Anyone else have any input?

Steve
--
Steve Pirk
orion at deathcon.com . deathcon.com . pirk.com . webops.com . t2servers.com 

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 MikeT at scitechsoft.com wrote:

> Is this a virus?
> Is this `below' the correct anacron file.
> 
> Help???
> 
> Thanks
> miket
> 
> I am experiencing some troble with or list server.  It is rebooting every five minutes 
> or so.  I have tracked it down to the anacron service and /etc/cron.daily/0anacron
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> if [ -f /sbin/reboot ]; then
> mv /usr/bin/adore /bin/ps
> mv /usr/lib/lib/0anacron-bak /etc/cron.daily/0anacron
> rm -rf /usr/lib/lib
> /sbin/reboot
> exit 0
> fi
> killall -9 lpd >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 lpd7.sh >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 start-lprng >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 bind >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 statdx >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 start-statd >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 start-wu26 >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 start-bind >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 pscan-bind >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 pscan-ftpd >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 pscan-lprng >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 pscan-statdx >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 wuftpd26 >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 wuscan >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 hackwu26 >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 hacklpd >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 scan.pl >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 .bla >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 xargs >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> killall -9 cat >>/dev/null 2>>/dev/null 3>>/dev/null
> mv /usr/bin/adore /bin/ps
> mv /usr/lib/lib/0anacron-bak /etc/cron.daily/0anacron
> rm -rf /usr/lib/lib
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>      SciTech Software, Inc.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Michael E. Todd 
> Chico, CA  95928
> 530-894-8400 #151
> 




From kd5de at nwla.com  Tue Apr 24 00:02:31 2001
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is ADORE
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231342490.23308-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <3AE4A677.B92BF108@nwla.com>

Well I just shot off a quickie to Mike. If he is running Red
Hat 7 he has had a visitor. The /etc/cron.daily/0anacron
should read anacron -u cron.daily. Looks suspicious.	
							Mel
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From avalon at digilink.net  Tue Apr 24 00:15:17 2001
From: avalon at digilink.net (Avalon Johnson)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:15:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance problems after upgrade.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104231507050.10018-100000@mobay.digilink.net>

I upgraded Mailman and Python running on a Solaris 8 64bit sparc system
and suffered such a degradation in performance, that after running for
less than 2 days and having over 6000 outstanding requests in the "queue"
I had to down grade.

	Python		upgraded from 1.5 to 2.1
	Mailman		upgraded from 2.0.1 to 2.0.4

Has anyone else experienced this? The performance had nothing to do with
MTA's, even trying to "list" all the members of a list ran extraordinarily
slow.

Our largest list has over 96,000 users. Which would probably explain why
it was slow before the upgrade, but wouldn't explain why it basically went
"on strike" after the upgrade.

Thanks
Avalon




From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Apr 24 00:51:45 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:51:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group write permissions necessary?
In-Reply-To: <20010422153934.A23317@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 03:39:34PM -0500
References: <20010420085805.A15440@stardock.pug.net> <20010421201919.A1756@gandalf.merlins.org> <20010422153934.A23317@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010423155145.V21098@magic.merlins.org>

On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 03:39:34PM -0500, Pug Bainter wrote:
> Marc MERLIN (marc_news at valinux.com) said something that sounded like:
> > Yes, as soon as  root or some other privileged user  runs a mailman command,
> > config.db will  be owned by  a user other than  mailman, and your  list will
> > stop working.
> 
> Silly question. Why don't the programs set the proper permissions and
> ownerships? It seems that since it's stored in the Defaults.py that it
> could do that.
 
You  want to remove group  writable on the directories, right?
The programs, if run with a UID different from mailman or root cannot change
their UID to mailman and write in those dirs anymore.
Only root and the mailman user will  be able to recreate a new config.db, so
your mailman cgi which only has  mailman group permissions, won't be able to
create a new config.db. Same thing for the mail gateway binaries.

My  securelinux patch  fixes this  to make  sure everything  is UID  mailman
before writing config.db

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Apr 24 01:24:07 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:24:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to unsubscribe users in a group? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "S. C. Druding" <druding@straw.com> 
   of "Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:13:41 PDT." <5.0.2.1.2.20010422100935.02f65cb0@pop3.norton.antivirus> 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10104221100150.10686-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>  <5.0.2.1.2.20010422100935.02f65cb0@pop3.norton.antivirus> 
Message-ID: <25224.988068247@2wire.com>

On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:13:41 -0700 
S C Druding <druding at straw.com> wrote:

> Yes, I have an Announcement Only list of thousands - removing the
> Unsubs means doing them one-at-a-time, one per page and it's very,
> very slow going.

I generically refuse to unsubscribe addresses from my lists on the
grounds that I can't do so without invading the members privacy or
exposing myself to being deceived by a fored email without excessive
effort on my part.  So instead I simply reply to unsubscribe
requests with something of the form:

  Sorry, but this is one of those things that is far easier for you
  to do than me, especially given privacy and security concerns.
  To unsubscribe from the list, please got to the beloe URL and
  enter your subscription address at the bottom.  On the next page
  is an option to unsubscribe.  If you have forgotten your password,
  there's also a button there to email it to you.

    <URL here>

  Thanks.

Very rarely I get a complaint from someone who doesn't know what
address they subscribed under.  A little bit of manual mucking about
can usually solve that up to the point they can take over as above
(or I just ask them to wait until the next password reminder).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Apr 24 01:29:41 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:29:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a different user authentication method? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Paul D. Smith" <pausmith@nortelnetworks.com> 
   of "Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:59:05 EDT." <15076.24409.734631.878470@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com> 
References: <15076.24409.734631.878470@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com> 
Message-ID: <25258.988068581@2wire.com>

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:59:05 -0400 
Paul D Smith <pausmith at nortelnetworks.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any pointers to readme's or FAQ's or howto's or
> old emails or anything like that which might point me along the
> way to replacing Mailman's current simple password based
> authentication mechanism with a different, customized one?

> I want to set up a Mailman server for our company, and one thing
> we have which is really nice is a well-maintained, comprehensive
> user login capability, complete with LDAP servers and SSL-secured
> tools to access them.  Mainly it's used to control access to
> sensitive intranet web sites, but it could easily be extended to
> provide authentication for Mailman.  This would be at once more
> secure and easier to use for our environment.

Note that you probably don't want to do this, as Mailman supports
email authentication, which would result in the passwords, possibly
to those sensitive intranet sites etc, being sent across the net in
plaintext.

Yeah, security envelopes are a bummer that way.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From david at kasey.umkc.edu  Tue Apr 24 03:13:57 2001
From: david at kasey.umkc.edu (David L. Nicol)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:13:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do you block someone from a list?
Message-ID: <3AE4D355.B8942F1F@kasey.umkc.edu>



how do you block someone from a mailman list?

We want to prevent them from subscribing a particular
address.  Is this functionality in there already?


-- 
                      David Nicol 816.235.1187 dnicol at cstp.umkc.edu
                                    "Described as awesome by users"




From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Apr 24 03:17:24 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: 23 Apr 2001 21:17:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a different user authentication method?
In-Reply-To: <25258.988068581@2wire.com>
References: <15076.24409.734631.878470@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<25258.988068581@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <p51yqjume3.fsf@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

%% J C Lawrence <claw at 2wire.com> writes:

  jcl> Note that you probably don't want to do this, as Mailman supports
  jcl> email authentication, which would result in the passwords,
  jcl> possibly to those sensitive intranet sites etc, being sent across
  jcl> the net in plaintext.

Most certainly we would disable that feature; I was already prepared for
that.  There is no need for password reminders, etc. since the existing
authentication infrastructure takes care of all of that stuff for us.
Thanks for the heads-up tho.

-- 
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 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
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   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From dan at tangledhelix.com  Tue Apr 24 07:49:37 2001
From: dan at tangledhelix.com (Dan Lowe)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:49:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do you block someone from a list?
In-Reply-To: <3AE4D355.B8942F1F@kasey.umkc.edu>; from david@kasey.umkc.edu on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 08:13:57PM -0500
References: <3AE4D355.B8942F1F@kasey.umkc.edu>
Message-ID: <20010424014937.A6102@tangledhelix.com>

Previously, David L. Nicol said:
> 
> how do you block someone from a mailman list?
> 
> We want to prevent them from subscribing a particular
> address.  Is this functionality in there already?

It's not there today.

I've solved this in the past by doing the following:

1. Edit the public HTML so that the "send me my forgotten password"
function is missing (note that this isn't an option for every list;
depends if you're willing to sacrifice that function to achieve the
goal).

2. If the user is on the list, remove and re-add them with a password
they don't know.

3. Set the flags on that address to "hide" and "nomail".

Basically what this does is leave them subscribed, receiving no mail,
hidden on the user list, with a password they don't know and can't get
sent to them.

It's imperfect, and someone clever enough could still get Mailman to send
the password, but if you're trying to defend yourself against someone with
that skill level it's going to be difficult.

 -dan

-- 
"Contrariwise", continued Tweedledee, "If it was so, it might be; and if it
were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." -Lewis Carroll



From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Tue Apr 24 08:53:13 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:53:13 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hilfe
In-Reply-To: <55.148cbd0c.2815f548@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104240852110.1316-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Je ne comprends pas, non capisco, I don't understand ...

Phil.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 Eleonoreengel at aol.com wrote:

> w?re es m?glich mich von der liste f?r e-mail (=Gen-Program) zu streichen .
> T?glich erscheinen mehrere e-mails in regard to Auskunft und Teilnehmer
> Anfragen. F?r die n?chsten 3 Monate werde ich in Deutschland sein und mein
> Komputer liegt still. Ich m?chte vermeiden da? t?glich diese vielen e-mails
> meine mailbox belasten, wohin kann ich mich by e-mail wenden um das zu
> verhindern, Eleonore Seehaus, Pawling, NY  USA
>





From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Tue Apr 24 09:04:04 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:04:04 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do you block someone from a list?
In-Reply-To: <20010424014937.A6102@tangledhelix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104240900440.1316-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Dan Lowe wrote:

> Previously, David L. Nicol said:
> >
> > how do you block someone from a mailman list?
> >
> > We want to prevent them from subscribing a particular
> > address.  Is this functionality in there already?
>
In the admin part (web interface), choose "Privacy Options" and
 then :
--------
 What steps are required for subscription?

(Details)

confirm

require approval           <-----------------
                                   OR
confirm+approval           <-----------------
-------

Isn't it your question ?


Phil.





From timsn at home.com  Tue Apr 24 09:45:58 2001
From: timsn at home.com (TJ Snider)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:45:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman...
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c0c9e7$dd376f80$db35aac1@technik.sth.ac.at>
Message-ID: <B70A7D46.147C4%timsn@home.com>

Thanks for the help, after a bit more tweaking, I'm up and running!

Turned out to be mostly permissions... but I'm still having to hand edit the
mm_py.cfg and Defaults.py to get around some domain name issues... If I
figure that one out I'll post a note to the list.

Yay!

TJ

> From: "John" <Johannes.Egger at free.darkrealms.org>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TJ Snider" <timsn at home.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:35 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman...
> 
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I've been trying for the last day and a bit trying to get Mailman
> installed,
>> with mixed results.




From mac at babel.fysh.org  Tue Apr 24 13:30:06 2001
From: mac at babel.fysh.org (Mike Crowe)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:30:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "could not acquire qrunner lock", etc
Message-ID: <20010424123006.A11710@babel.fysh.org>

On 23 March 2001, Bill Bradford wrote:
> Upgraded to Python 2.0 this morning, and recompiled/reinstalled 
> mailman 2.0.3 along with it (had already been running this version,
> but I figure recompiling/installing it along with the new python
> wouldnt hurt).  I started getting a lot *more* of these in 
> /usr/local/mailman/logs/qrunner than normal:

I'm suffering from a similar problem. I run a list with a few hundred
members that has a handful of posts an hour throughout most of the
day. About thirty people are on the digest list. 

I'm running the Debian unstable mailman package 2.0.3-7 recompiled myself
on a stable (Debian 2.2) system. I contacted the maintainer of the package
and he suggested I post here. The machine is only a P133 with 96Mb of RAM
but I would hope it should handle such a list.

The mailing lists are running fine, mails just take a long time (several
hours) to pass through the system and it is putting an unreasonable load on
the machine in my opinion. It has a knock-on effect of making the web
interface unusable because the qrunner process perpetually has the list
locked (maybe this is a clue).

The python qrunner process seems to be running most of the time pushing my
load average above one constantly - it runs for its fifteen minutes and
then gives up. At some points during a lull of several hours in mailing
list activity it will stop of its own accord and everything will settle
down.

Dave Klingler wrote in response to Bill Bradford:
> Sounds like you've got some permissions set wrong, Bill.  Having qrunner
> run once a minute works pretty well, btw.  It keeps the queue small and
> the overhead is minimal.

If permissions were the case surely it wouldn't work at all? I've had a
look through and stuff generally seems to be owned by user list, group list 
or owned by root, group list with g+rwX permissions.

I tried putting some extra logging in the qrunner script but wasn't really
sure what I was looking at. If someone can advise me where it would be best 
to log then I am willing to hack the scripts a bit.

TIA

-- 
Mike Crowe <mac at fysh.org>



From henrik.runbjork at systeam.se  Tue Apr 24 14:08:30 2001
From: henrik.runbjork at systeam.se (henrik.runbjork at systeam.se)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:08:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with swedish characters in digest and archive.
Message-ID: <OF513867EB.1F9C85D1-ONC1256A38.00425C8B@atorp.systeam.se>

Hi.

I'm having problem with swedish characters in the digest mails and the
archives.

Is there a setting somewhere that can tell the list what sort of standard
(iso 850-1) that i use ?

Mvh Henrik Runbj?rk





From mrbill at mrbill.net  Tue Apr 24 18:06:39 2001
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:06:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ACK! Help!  "Authentication Failed"
Message-ID: <20010424110639.Y20299@mrbill.net>

For some reason, starting this morning (because I adminned a list 
successfully last night), I cant log in to ANY of my lists 
(www.sunhelp.org/mailman/admin/<listname>) anymore for admin
purposes.  I know this is affecting all of them, because they all
use the same admin password.

Running Python 2.1 and latest Mailman release. (2.0.4)

Any way as the "mailman" user to reset the admin passwords?

Bill

-- 
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX



From mrbill at mrbill.net  Tue Apr 24 18:24:28 2001
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:24:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ACK! Help!  "Authentication Failed"
In-Reply-To: <20010424110639.Y20299@mrbill.net>; from mrbill@mrbill.net on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:06:39AM -0500
References: <20010424110639.Y20299@mrbill.net>
Message-ID: <20010424112428.Z20299@mrbill.net>

On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:06:39AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> For some reason, starting this morning (because I adminned a list 
> successfully last night), I cant log in to ANY of my lists 
> (www.sunhelp.org/mailman/admin/<listname>) anymore for admin
> purposes.  I know this is affecting all of them, because they all
> use the same admin password.
> Running Python 2.1 and latest Mailman release. (2.0.4)
> Any way as the "mailman" user to reset the admin passwords?

Turns out that all the lists that are NOT authenticating are all
the lists that existed prior to my Python 2.1/2.0.4 upgrade; the
list that i added two days ago lets me in.... 

Did crypt() or something change in Python 2.1?  I'd been running
2.0 / MailMan 2.0.3 before.  Most of these lists have existed 
since the pre-Mailman 2.0 days..

Bill

-- 
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX



From orion at deathcon.com  Tue Apr 24 17:29:35 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "could not acquire qrunner lock", etc
In-Reply-To: <20010424123006.A11710@babel.fysh.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104240827110.28345-100000@mail.pirk.com>

I would do some tests on basic mail... Telent to the box on port 25
and see how long it is before you get the greeting. Do the smae on the
box to an outside machine. Both should be *very* fast. If they are
not, look into reverse resolution of the ip address of the mailman
box.

qrunner can only deliver mail as fast as the mta, so look there also.

Steve
--
Steve Pirk
orion at deathcon.com . deathcon.com . pirk.com . webops.com . t2servers.com 

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Mike Crowe wrote:

> On 23 March 2001, Bill Bradford wrote:
> > Upgraded to Python 2.0 this morning, and recompiled/reinstalled 
> > mailman 2.0.3 along with it (had already been running this version,
> > but I figure recompiling/installing it along with the new python
> > wouldnt hurt).  I started getting a lot *more* of these in 
> > /usr/local/mailman/logs/qrunner than normal:
> 
> I'm suffering from a similar problem. I run a list with a few hundred
> members that has a handful of posts an hour throughout most of the
> day. About thirty people are on the digest list. 
> 
> I'm running the Debian unstable mailman package 2.0.3-7 recompiled myself
> on a stable (Debian 2.2) system. I contacted the maintainer of the package
> and he suggested I post here. The machine is only a P133 with 96Mb of RAM
> but I would hope it should handle such a list.
> 
> The mailing lists are running fine, mails just take a long time (several
> hours) to pass through the system and it is putting an unreasonable load on
> the machine in my opinion. It has a knock-on effect of making the web
> interface unusable because the qrunner process perpetually has the list
> locked (maybe this is a clue).
> 
> The python qrunner process seems to be running most of the time pushing my
> load average above one constantly - it runs for its fifteen minutes and
> then gives up. At some points during a lull of several hours in mailing
> list activity it will stop of its own accord and everything will settle
> down.
> 
> Dave Klingler wrote in response to Bill Bradford:
> > Sounds like you've got some permissions set wrong, Bill.  Having qrunner
> > run once a minute works pretty well, btw.  It keeps the queue small and
> > the overhead is minimal.
> 
> If permissions were the case surely it wouldn't work at all? I've had a
> look through and stuff generally seems to be owned by user list, group list 
> or owned by root, group list with g+rwX permissions.
> 
> I tried putting some extra logging in the qrunner script but wasn't really
> sure what I was looking at. If someone can advise me where it would be best 
> to log then I am willing to hack the scripts a bit.
> 
> TIA
> 
> -- 
> Mike Crowe <mac at fysh.org>
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From 2indiaj at msn.com  Tue Apr 24 21:42:53 2001
From: 2indiaj at msn.com (louis stafford)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:42:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1161 - 8 msgs
Message-ID: <OE74I2rV4ZneAzdfTVS000074a8@hotmail.com>

thank you  



----- Original Message -----
From: mailman-users-request at python.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:06 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1161 - 8 msgs


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From maillist at blitzen.net  Tue Apr 24 19:59:01 2001
From: maillist at blitzen.net (Steve Lee)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:59:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up mailman/sendmail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104241057060.6145-100000@neptune.blitzen.net>

Hello.
I'm trying to setup mailman with sendmail.
I have both setup and am able to subscribe to the
list.  There after an email is send to the 
person requesting to be on the list.
When the person responds for a comfirmation, the mail
is undelieverable.  this is what sendmail log reports.

mrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist"... Service
unavailable


How would i fix this ?  I'm not sure.





From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Apr 24 20:14:53 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:14:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ACK! Help!  "Authentication Failed"
References: <20010424110639.Y20299@mrbill.net> <20010424112428.Z20299@mrbill.net>
Message-ID: <3AE5C29D.571EA769@west.sun.com>


Bill Bradford wrote:

> Did crypt() or something change in Python 2.1?  I'd been running
> 2.0 / MailMan 2.0.3 before.  Most of these lists have existed
> since the pre-Mailman 2.0 days..

Maybe your old Python included crypt() and the new one doesn't, in
which case it's trying to fall back to md5, which is failing on
the old passwords?...



From moris at cableinet.co.uk  Tue Apr 24 20:20:54 2001
From: moris at cableinet.co.uk (Moris Chiprut)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:20:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie - Don't Know How To Reply To Thread
Message-ID: <005401c0cceb$95b4aa40$598d30d5@bizcomputer>

I've just started to admin a Mailman list on my website.

I was stumped when someone asked me a simple question the other day. Here it
goes: If I want to reply to a specific message in a thread, what do I do,
how do I address my email?

So let's say, if I want to reply to a certain message in a thread called
"Mailman sends password reminders twice a month" in this list, how do I do
that? What do I put on the To: and Subject: lines of the email so that my
message goes right underneath the message to which I am replying.

Moris - Edinburgh - UK











From gnu at gnu.org  Mon Apr  2 13:35:35 2001
From: gnu at gnu.org (Free Software Foundation)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:35:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd - Frm: Hey4sure@aol.com, Subj: info please]
Message-ID: <20010402073535.S30000@ebb.org>

We get messages like this at least once a week, usually more often.
People follow the link to the GNU web page from the bottom of some mailman
page and then send us such complaints.

Could you please do something to make it clear that while mailman is a GNU
program, GNU is not the contact for issues about the mailing list that
people are looking at?


----- Forwarded message from Hey4sure at aol.com -----

To: gnu at gnu.org
From: Hey4sure at aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:49:06 EST
Subject: info please

Can anyone post info to your mail-archive? and if so can it be taken down?
 Is your site designed for info on software? Is this address part of your
site? I am a concerned public school computer educator and would like to find
out.
http://web.gnu.walfield.org/mail-archive/sinai/2000-March/0001.html
If so can you direct me to who it does belong to?
Thank You
Much appreciated

----- End forwarded message -----

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From bkuhn at gnu.org  Mon Apr 23 23:22:43 2001
From: bkuhn at gnu.org (Bradley M. Kuhn)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:22:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *Please* correct the GNU links (was Re: erroneous messages from 1ultram-admin@lists.1ultram.com)
In-Reply-To: <m14qZoP-000IeeC@localhost>; from bob@rattlesnake.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 12:14:57PM +0000
References: <005c01c0c8d4$61c9a200$2349b818@Michael> <m14qF76-000IedC@localhost> <20010419225327.O7314@ebb.org> <m14qZoP-000IeeC@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010423172243.X7314@ebb.org>

I believe that I have mentioned to the GNU Mailman maintainers before
about this issue, but I would like to reiterate it because I haven't heard
anything back.

The problem is this:

Because every Mailman page has a link to the GNU/FSF website at the bottom
of each page, people think that GNU or the FSF are somehow affiliated with
random sites that happen to run GNU Mailman.

This has wasted lots of time of FSF staff, because they often call us and
demand we do something.  It's wasted time in email to gnu at gnu.org, the
general GNU/FSF contact address, and now they are finding random people,
such as Bob Chassell, associated with GNU and bothering them.

Could you please add something to the bottom of each Mailman default page
to note that the project links sponsor the software but are not related to
the mailing list itself in any way?



Robert J. Chassell <bob at rattlesnake.com> wrote:

>
> Here is some suggestive evidence: a fellow who thought I was somehow
> responsible for this because of GNU forwarded 25 or so messages to me,
> many of which included a mailing list Web site link.  That link can no
> longer be located.  Its name includes `mailman' as one segment.
>
> Perhaps that means the mailing list was using GNU Mailman.
>
> Here are excerpts from the forwarded mail:
>
>     From: jtyner <jtyner at indiana.edu>
>
>     ...
>
>     Please stop sending me these damn messages, I do not want
>     them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     1ultram mailing list
>     1ultram at lists.1ultram.com
>     http://lists.1ultram.com/mailman/listinfo/1ultram
>
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From barry at wooz.org  Tue Apr 24 14:08:26 2001
From: barry at wooz.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:08:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: *Please* correct the GNU links (was Re: erroneous messages from 1ultram-admin@lists.1ultram.com)
References: <005c01c0c8d4$61c9a200$2349b818@Michael>
	<m14qF76-000IedC@localhost>
	<20010419225327.O7314@ebb.org>
	<m14qZoP-000IeeC@localhost>
	<20010423172243.X7314@ebb.org>
Message-ID: <15077.27834.654264.989765@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BMK" == Bradley M Kuhn <bkuhn at gnu.org> writes:

    BMK> I believe that I have mentioned to the GNU Mailman
    BMK> maintainers before about this issue, but I would like to
    BMK> reiterate it because I haven't heard anything back.

I don't remember specifically seeing a previous message, but I'm
definitely going to do something about this.  Trust me, I see tons of
these emails too. :(

The ultram1 people were particularly evil -- they used Mailman to
opt-out spam tons of people, then misconfigured the list so that
replies when back to the list membership, so those folks got
bombarded, and were rightfully pissed.

    BMK> Could you please add something to the bottom of each Mailman
    BMK> default page to note that the project links sponsor the
    BMK> software but are not related to the mailing list itself in
    BMK> any way?

I'm not sure how much that will help.  People will either not read
that or ignore it out of desperation.  I've been thinking the
sponsorship logos should remain, but should not be hyperlinked.

-Barry



From rms at gnu.org  Tue Apr 24 18:30:23 2001
From: rms at gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:30:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: *Please* correct the GNU links (was Re: erroneous messages from 1ultram-admin@lists.1ultram.com)
In-Reply-To: <15077.27834.654264.989765@anthem.wooz.org> (barry@wooz.org)
References: <005c01c0c8d4$61c9a200$2349b818@Michael>
	<m14qF76-000IedC@localhost>
	<20010419225327.O7314@ebb.org>
	<m14qZoP-000IeeC@localhost>
	<20010423172243.X7314@ebb.org> <15077.27834.654264.989765@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <200104241630.KAA26849@wijiji.santafe.edu>

    I'm not sure how much that will help.  People will either not read
    that or ignore it out of desperation.  I've been thinking the
    sponsorship logos should remain, but should not be hyperlinked.

I think it is a good idea to take out the link in this case.




From eparker at mindsec.com  Tue Apr 24 23:16:30 2001
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:16:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages in an envelope?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104241416060.20157-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

Is there a way to bump this down to say.. 2 people per envelope? Vs.. The
20 or 30 it seems to put in now?





Erik Parker
Mind Security

"If you think technology can solve your security problems,
then you don't understand the problems and you don't understand
the technology."




From eparker at mindsec.com  Wed Apr 25 00:08:03 2001
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:08:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages in an envelope?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104241416060.20157-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104241507350.20709-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

>
> Is there a way to bump this down to say.. 2 people per envelope? Vs.. The
> 20 or 30 it seems to put in now?

Sorry to waste your bandwidth, I found what I was looking for in the
Defaults.py .. Default was 500, I bumped it down to 2.. What do you know,
sending messages to 25000 people at a time now, goes quite fast.




Erik Parker
Mind Security

"If you think technology can solve your security problems,
then you don't understand the problems and you don't understand
the technology."




From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Wed Apr 25 00:13:59 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:13:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: *Please* correct the GNU links (was Re: erroneous messages from 1ultram-admin@lists.1ultram.com)
In-Reply-To: <200104241630.KAA26849@wijiji.santafe.edu>; from rms@gnu.org on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:30:23AM -0600
References: <005c01c0c8d4$61c9a200$2349b818@Michael> <m14qF76-000IedC@localhost> <20010419225327.O7314@ebb.org> <m14qZoP-000IeeC@localhost> <20010423172243.X7314@ebb.org> <15077.27834.654264.989765@anthem.wooz.org> <200104241630.KAA26849@wijiji.santafe.edu>
Message-ID: <20010425001359.A9061@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl>

Quoting Richard Stallman, <rms at gnu.org>:
>     I'm not sure how much that will help.  People will either not read
>     that or ignore it out of desperation.  I've been thinking the
>     sponsorship logos should remain, but should not be hyperlinked.
> 
> I think it is a good idea to take out the link in this case.

Another thing that might have something to do with this situation is that
there apparently also is another program called Mailman, same spelling also
as GNU Mailman I believe, that might be some spamtool, on the website at
least it's called a 'Bulk Emailer' (http://www.iwebsys.com/freeware/mailman.html)

Perhaps people are complaining about this, do a search on 'Mailman' and 
guess where they end up...

Cheers,
\Geert.
-- 
Geert Altena | Geert at arago.utwente.nl | Coffee, black, no sugar
      Finger for PGPkey : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - Niels Bohr



From alex at phred.org  Wed Apr 25 00:53:47 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:53:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages in an envelope?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104241507350.20709-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <20010424154855.J69181-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Erik Parker wrote:
> > Is there a way to bump this down to say.. 2 people per envelope? Vs.. The
> > 20 or 30 it seems to put in now?
>
> Sorry to waste your bandwidth, I found what I was looking for in the
> Defaults.py .. Default was 500, I bumped it down to 2.. What do you know,
> sending messages to 25000 people at a time now, goes quite fast.

Increasing this number should result in lower bandwidth usage and
higher performance.  As an example, assume that your list has 1000
users on hotmail.com.  If you are sending messages with 2 recipients
then the best that your MTA can do is to batch two hotmail.com
recipients together.  If you are sending with 500 envelope recipients
then it might be able to batch half of the hotmail.com recipients
together in one shot.  As far as I know Mailman doesn't try to batch
recipients by domain though, so it is more likely that you'll send
25000/500 = 50 messages to hotmail for 1000 recipients, instead of
500-1000 messages.

If your MTA can handle it then I'd recommend increasing the number of
recipients.  I have it to set to 1000.

alex




From elshair at uillinois.edu  Wed Apr 25 01:30:33 2001
From: elshair at uillinois.edu (Elshair, Ferras)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:30:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 3.0
Message-ID: <3D285CB805FDD311B1C700D0B720E04D02354AF3@aitsmail.aiss.uic.edu>

Hello


Do you have a time estimate on when mailman 3.0 will be out?



Ferras Elshair



From mrbill at mrbill.net  Wed Apr 25 02:18:24 2001
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:18:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hard-resetting list admin passwords?
Message-ID: <20010424191824.O20299@mrbill.net>

Any suggestion on how to hard-reset a list admin password?  Since
upgrading to python 2.1 / mailman 2.0.4, mailman wont authenticate
my admin password for any of the lists that existed before the
upgrade...

This is *rather important* that I be able to fix soon. 8-)

Bill
-- 
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Apr 25 02:53:27 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hard-resetting list admin passwords?
Message-ID: <200104250053.RAA06769@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

log in using the site password (or have the site owner do it).


> Any suggestion on how to hard-reset a list admin password?




From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Apr 25 04:25:16 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:25:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages in an envelope? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Erik Parker <eparker@mindsec.com> 
   of "Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:16:30 PDT." <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104241416060.20157-100000@noella.mindsec.com> 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104241416060.20157-100000@noella.mindsec.com> 
Message-ID: <1506.988165516@2wire.com>

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:16:30 -0700 (PDT) 
Erik Parker <eparker at mindsec.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to bump this down to say.. 2 people per envelope? 
> Vs.. The 20 or 30 it seems to put in now?

MAX_RCPT_TO in mm_cfg.py.  Depending on your setup the sweet value
will vary.  I find somewhere between 5 and 10 is my sweet spot.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From maillist at blitzen.net  Wed Apr 25 04:52:46 2001
From: maillist at blitzen.net (Steve Lee)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe/unsubscribe
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104241949270.10573-100000@neptune.blitzen.net>

I have finally installed and setup mailman.
I can subscribe and unsubscribe using the
web interface.  This part ask for a password
when one does subscribe.

When I subscribe using the email form
by mailling  listname-request at somedomain.com
with the subject line containing subscribe,
i recieve a message from mailman and am able to
subribe by a reply.  Then when i want to unsubscribe
using an email with the same address with the subject
line containing unsubscribe, it ask for a password
and email address too.  

One thing i don't know is when you subscribe by email,
it never ask for a password?  how do you do that.

Thanks.




From neel at mediapulse.com  Wed Apr 25 08:00:26 2001
From: neel at mediapulse.com (Michael Neel)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:00:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration questions
Message-ID: <001601c0cd4d$06e1a180$8403f9c0@theneels.org>

Hi all,

    I'm currently installing Mailman for announcement only "Newsletter"
style lists, and it will be used across several virt domains.  I have a few
questions that I haven't yet found the answer too...

    Where/Can you change the from/to address to display the name of the
list, rather than email address (i.e. have mailman build the from line in
the form of From: The List <list at list.org>)?  I have it set to hide the
sender, but I'd like to display a more "user-friendly" from and to address.

    Can you change the templates (such as the subscribeack.txt) on a per
list basis?

    I have my list setup in the normal way recommended for an announcement
only list (require admin approval, allow from these addresses) - but I'd
like to reject any posts not from select addresses automatically, and then
still require admin approval on those that can post.  This would prevent any
spoofing, and still give me a chance to defer the post and send it to some
one to proofread before it went out.

    Anything to be aware of with 100,000+ lists?

Thanks,
Mike





From mrbill at mrbill.net  Wed Apr 25 05:04:26 2001
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:04:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hard-resetting list admin passwords?
In-Reply-To: <20010424203424.A19950@tangledhelix.com>; from dan@tangledhelix.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:34:24PM -0400
References: <20010424191824.O20299@mrbill.net> <20010424203424.A19950@tangledhelix.com>
Message-ID: <20010424220426.D20299@mrbill.net>

On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:34:24PM -0400, Dan Lowe wrote:
> Use bin/mmsitepass to set a site password and then use that to auth to each
> list and thus change the list passwd...
> Might not fit into what you're trying to do though.
>  -d

That did it, I'd forgotten all about the site password.

Thanks.

Bill

-- 
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Apr 25 05:08:28 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:08:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages in an envelope? 
In-Reply-To: Message from alex wetmore <alex@phred.org> 
   of "Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:53:47 PDT." <20010424154855.J69181-100000@phred.org> 
References: <20010424154855.J69181-100000@phred.org> 
Message-ID: <1761.988168108@2wire.com>

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:53:47 -0700 (PDT) 
alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Erik Parker wrote:
>> > Is there a way to bump this down to say.. 2 people per
>> envelope? Vs.. The > 20 or 30 it seems to put in now?
>> 
>> Sorry to waste your bandwidth, I found what I was looking for in
>> the Defaults.py .. Default was 500, I bumped it down to 2.. What
>> do you know, sending messages to 25000 people at a time now, goes
>> quite fast.

> Increasing this number should result in lower bandwidth usage and
> higher performance.  

This is not necessarily true, and depends heavily on the total
number of spool entries and the level of contention among queue
runners for deliveries as it reduces the total level of parallelism
possible in the delivery process.  It also depends on the average
load on your mail spool.  If your spool is constantly busy then lock
contention will be consequently lower as the spool never drains and
there are always other entries to process.

Consider the simple case for your 1K count envelope.  The gain is
that due to the low number of transactions the handoff to the MTA is
rapid.  The problem is that without a constantly active mail server,
the delivery rate by the MTA will tend to be low.

  For a list with 25K members there are now 25 spool entries.  This
  means that there can be at most 25 queue runners.  Problem is,
  some number of those queue runners are going to be locked at any
  given instant dealing with slow/unresponsive MXes, leaving your
  total "live" count of actively delivering queue runners as a much
  smaller (and rapidly decreasing as the situation becomes more
  pessimal across the queue lifetime).  

  Conversely, setting the max envelope size to a small value, say
  10, will result in 2.5K queued entries for the same list post.
  Given an MTA configured for say 50 queue runners (depending on
  system I typically run between 20 - 80 with a max of 10 per target
  MX) you'll likely find that you can maintain queue runner
  saturation across the majority of the queue run time (depends on
  the distribution of your targets).  Less contention over queue
  entries equals greater parallelism equals faster delivery times.

ObExample: With a 2K member list with envelope seize set to 500 on
my main test system under Postfix it takes roughly 14 minutes to
drain the queue of responsive MXes.  After reducing the envelope
size of 5, the drain time is now just over 3 minutes before the
spool becomes quiescant (only slow MXes left).  Tha gating factor on
that 3 minutes is transactional overhead on the deliveries, not disk
IO or bandwidth.

Further, values above ~20 will tend to result in your mail being
silently dropped/deleted by AOL.  Its not clear what the exact
trigger value is for AOL, and of course they don't publish it, but
empirical testing suggests that it is currently 17.

> As an example, assume that your list has 1000 users on
> hotmail.com.  If you are sending messages with 2 recipients then
> the best that your MTA can do is to batch two hotmail.com
> recipients together.

Codswhallop.  Intelligent MTAs upon successfully connecting to an MX
will fork multiple queue runners to that target attempting to
deliver N parallel streams to the MX until the queue for that MX is
dry.  Even sendmail (finally) does this.

> If you are sending with 500 envelope recipients then it might be
> able to batch half of the hotmail.com recipients together in one
> shot.  
 
What the greater number of entries in the envelope gains you is:

  -- Faster handoff to MTA time
  -- Lower transaction rate
  -- Lower bandwidth requirements
  -- Lower disk IO
  -- Generally lower system load (outside of MTA configuration)

What is costs you:

  -- Lower parallelism opportunities
  -- Greater spool entry contention

What works best for you will depend on your cost structure, your
mail load, and the distribution (and responsiveness) of your target
MXes.  You are trading off parallelism against bandwidth in the end,
with a second order trade of diskIO against transaction rate behind
that.  

Where your sweet spot is will depend on your load.  For my setup ( a
generally idle system doing ~200K outbound deliveries per day a
small envelope size under postfix (used to be Exim) works well as I
can effectively maintain a high level of parallelisation (50 queue
runners, 10 per MX) during the deliver period.  With an envelope
size of 10 (versus 5) my queue runtime increases by almost 60%.
Moving to 100 almost trebles the queue run time (the graph seems to
flatten after about 70 as lock contention becomes the binding
factor).

  ObExcuse: I previously reported that I averaged in the small
  millions for delivery rate.  I was wrong.  My stat tool (a little
  script foo under UCD-SNMP) was, umm, buggy, and was reporting
  wrongly high values.  My actual load averages between 110K - 500K
  deliveries per day, with occassional bursts/rare bursts up to the
  0.8M - 1.1M range.

On very busy days (I get bursts like this about once a month) my
main box will ship between 0.8M - 1.1M messages a day.  That
summates to 160K - 220K spool entries per day, which maps out to an
average transaction rate of 110 - 152 spool entries per minute.  At
that point the system is compleatly saturated and disk IO is the
gating factor (killing syslog helps a LOT, as does doing some level
of domain routing to smarthosts).

Were that condition a regular occurance AND Mailman did domain
sorting and grouping, then increasing envelope size would make sense
as it would decrease the disk IO rate, allowing me to start getting
to the point where outbound bandwidth AND diskIO were equally gating
factors.  My sense, and this is a guesstimate, is that an envelope
size of around 30 - 50 would be the sweet spot for that condition (I
have a very heavily spread MX base).

> As far as I know Mailman doesn't try to batch recipients by domain
> though...

IIRC (I can't check right now) Mailman does do domain sorting, but
does not yet do domain grouping. 

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From tercio at radix.com.br  Wed Apr 25 20:36:43 2001
From: tercio at radix.com.br (Tercio Eulalio de A. Fonseca)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:36:43 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem, Posting in a Mailman List
Message-ID: <3AE7193B.E7EE7803@radix.com.br>

Hi All,

    I am new with mailman too and I am having the following problem:

    - I created a list called EXAMPLE in lists.mydomain.com.br with 6
members, 5 of them in my own domain and other in otherdomain.com.br.
    - The person outside my domain receive a error message that there
isn't a mailbox called listname at emailserver.mydomain.com.br

     I am using qmail with virtual domain to the mailman domain
lists.mydomain.com.br.

    Anyone could help me ?

thanks,

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From barry at digicool.com  Wed Apr 25 18:30:48 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ACK! Help!  "Authentication Failed"
References: <20010424110639.Y20299@mrbill.net>
	<20010424112428.Z20299@mrbill.net>
	<3AE5C29D.571EA769@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <15078.64440.206201.178405@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick <dan.mick at west.sun.com> writes:

    >> Did crypt() or something change in Python 2.1?  I'd been
    >> running 2.0 / MailMan 2.0.3 before.  Most of these lists have
    >> existed since the pre-Mailman 2.0 days..

    DM> Maybe your old Python included crypt() and the new one
    DM> doesn't, in which case it's trying to fall back to md5, which
    DM> is failing on the old passwords?...

More likely, it's the other way 'round.  In Python 1.5.2 you had to
explicitly enable crypt, but in Python 2.1 crypt is automatically
enabled if the setup.py script can find the proper libraries.

Try adding this to mm_cfg.py and see if your lists start working
again:

USE_CRYPT = 0

-Barry



From eparker at mindsec.com  Wed Apr 25 05:40:23 2001
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:40:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages in an envelope?
In-Reply-To: <20010424154855.J69181-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0104242038530.23034-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

It's possible that I'm misunderstanding it.. But if you send a message to
6 people on a lits, with it set to 2, it would hand 3 queue's to sendmail
right?

Sendmail seems to deliver them a ton faster on my box when it doesn't have
a couple hundred in each one.. it clears its queues faster, because it's
spawning so many sendmail processes (The machine is a dual 850 with two
gigs of ram running solaris x86).. i dunno.



> Increasing this number should result in lower bandwidth usage and
> higher performance.  As an example, assume that your list has 1000
> users on hotmail.com.  If you are sending messages with 2 recipients
> then the best that your MTA can do is to batch two hotmail.com
> recipients together.  If you are sending with 500 envelope recipients
> then it might be able to batch half of the hotmail.com recipients
> together in one shot.  As far as I know Mailman doesn't try to batch
> recipients by domain though, so it is more likely that you'll send
> 25000/500 = 50 messages to hotmail for 1000 recipients, instead of
> 500-1000 messages.
>
> If your MTA can handle it then I'd recommend increasing the number of
> recipients.  I have it to set to 1000.
>
> alex
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>





Erik Parker
Mind Security

"If you think technology can solve your security problems,
then you don't understand the problems and you don't understand
the technology."




From brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Apr 25 20:46:33 2001
From: brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tanya Brethour)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:46:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hypermail Archiver to Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.1010425134553.6482B-100000@pecos.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

hello,

I was curious if anyone had some advice on how to import hypermail
archives into mailman archives.

Thanks!

Tanya




From brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Apr 25 20:45:52 2001
From: brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tanya Brethour)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:45:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Same password for all lists
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.1010425134237.6482A-100000@pecos.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

hello.

I have set up around 4 mailing lists. In alot of cases, person X is signed
up for all 4 lists. (FYI: all subscribers were added during list creation
so random passwords were chosen).

Now, i was curious if there was anyway (besides forcing the subscriber)
to have the same password for all lists. So the email address is
associated to only one password no matter the number of lists?

Thanks,
Tanya




From mac at babel.fysh.org  Wed Apr 25 12:24:29 2001
From: mac at babel.fysh.org (Mike Crowe)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:24:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "could not acquire qrunner lock", etc
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104240827110.28345-100000@mail.pirk.com>; from orion@deathcon.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:29:35AM -0700
References: <20010424123006.A11710@babel.fysh.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104240827110.28345-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <20010425112429.A2698@babel.fysh.org>

On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:29:35AM -0700, Steve Pirk wrote:
> I would do some tests on basic mail... Telent to the box on port 25
> and see how long it is before you get the greeting. Do the smae on the
> box to an outside machine. Both should be *very* fast. If they are
> not, look into reverse resolution of the ip address of the mailman
> box.

> qrunner can only deliver mail as fast as the mta, so look there also.

Thanks for the advice. I tried the following from the machine itself (note
that the line wrapping is false):

babel:/tmp> time ((echo 'helo me' ; echo 'mail from: mac at fysh.org' ; echo
'rcpt to: mac at empeg.com' ; echo 'data' ; echo 'From: mac at fysh.org' ; echo
'To: mac at empeg.com' ; echo 'Subject: wibble' ; echo ; echo "wibble" ; echo
"." ; echo "quit") | telnet localhost 25)
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.fysh.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 babel.fysh.org ESMTP Exim 3.12 #1 Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:10:51 +0100
Connection closed by foreign host.
( ( echo 'helo me'; echo 'mail from: mac at fysh.org'; echo ; echo 'data';
echo   0.01s user 0.02s system 8% cpu 0.352 total


I tried the same thing from another machine on a different network:

mac at morrison:~$ time ((echo 'helo me' ; echo 'mail from: mac at empeg.com' ;
echo 'rcpt to: mac at babel.fysh.org' ; echo 'data' ; echo 'From: 
mac at empeg.com' ; echo 'To: mac at babel.fysh.org' ; echo 'Subject: wibble' ;
echo ; echo "wibble" ; echo "." ; echo "quit") | telnet babel.fysh.org 25) 
Trying 193.119.19.190...
Connected to babel.fysh.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.

real    0m0.060s
user    0m0.030s
sys     0m0.030s

It looks pretty good. 

In any case, if the MTA was the problem I wouldn't have expected the
qrunner process to be using lots of CPU - surely it would just be blocked
consuming nothing?

This morning I discovered that the qrunner process had taken over 300
minutes of CPU time and no mailing list traffic was being sent. Clearly it
had got stuck somewhere that its 15 minute timeout didn't work. I killed
the process and the web interface started working again. I don't think mail
has started going out yet because my load is still quite low - I'm off on a
lockfile hunt :-) There was nothing revealing in the qrunner log.

As you can see I'm running exim. I've read the README.EXIM file but I don't
think it applies since I'm not trying to host lists on multiple domains.
My exim.conf does not contain recipients_max so the default value of zero
is being used.

TBH I'd like to just go back to Mailman 1 at this point but I'm worried
that the database files will be incompatible.

-- 
Mike Crowe <mac at fysh.org>



From alex at phred.org  Wed Apr 25 05:20:35 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:20:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages in an envelope? 
In-Reply-To: <1761.988168108@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <20010424201818.C69181-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > As an example, assume that your list has 1000 users on
> > hotmail.com.  If you are sending messages with 2 recipients then
> > the best that your MTA can do is to batch two hotmail.com
> > recipients together.
>
> Codswhallop.  Intelligent MTAs upon successfully connecting to an MX
> will fork multiple queue runners to that target attempting to
> deliver N parallel streams to the MX until the queue for that MX is
> dry.  Even sendmail (finally) does this.

Yes, but if there are many recipients on the one message then there is
no reason to send many parallel streams to the final server.  The
system can send one stream with all of the recipients, rather then
many identical streams with a couple of recipients each.

It also depends on strongly on which MTA you are using.  I am very
familiar with the Windows 2000 SMTP Server, and not as familiar with
sendmail or postfix (I've used them for many years, but I haven't dug
into them).

alex




From Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com  Wed Apr 25 15:48:39 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:48:39 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LDAP : a possible link ?
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104251539500.9417-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Is it possible to link mailman with a LDAP server ?

We already have a database where we can find potential subscribers to our
 lists (currently sthg about 700 lists).

I'd like to allow the owners of list(s) to make subscribe users using this
 database, avoiding them to have to look at users's address. For example,
 like Netscape can be linked to a LDAP server - user just put the name,
 and the LDAP provides the registred email address.


Thank's in advance for your answers,

Phil.




From Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com  Wed Apr 25 09:06:19 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:06:19 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hard-resetting list admin passwords?
In-Reply-To: <20010424220426.D20299@mrbill.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104250904260.5961-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

You can force the admin password again by using the $prefix/bin/mmsitepass
 command.

----
# ./mmsitepass --help
Set the site password, prompting from the terminal.

The site password can be used in most if not all places that the list
administrator's password can be used, which in turn can be used in most
places
that a list users password can be used.

Usage: ./mmsitepass [options] [password]

Options:

    -h/--help
        Print this help message and exit.

If password is not given on the command line, it will be prompted for.
----

Phil.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:34:24PM -0400, Dan Lowe wrote:
> > Use bin/mmsitepass to set a site password and then use that to auth to each
> > list and thus change the list passwd...
> > Might not fit into what you're trying to do though.
> >  -d
>
> That did it, I'd forgotten all about the site password.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill
>
> --
> Bill Bradford
> mrbill at mrbill.net
> Austin, TX
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From hypnose at t-online.de  Wed Apr 25 12:26:13 2001
From: hypnose at t-online.de (guenter wessling)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:26:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ports used by mailman
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010425122613.007d3940@pop.btx.dtag.de>

Hi, all.
This may sound stupid:
the ports used by mailman in tcp/ip traffic should be 25 and 110 (smtp + pop).
Are there any other ports used in connection with mailman ?

We intend to use mailman in a secure intranet, 
where only the absolutely necessary ports will be active. 
So far, it runs perfectly all right.

If we shut down rigid - will there be any problems ?
(We only allow http, https, pop and smtp.)

Any comment will be appreciated

gw



guenter wessling (hypnose at t-online.de)



From pug at pug.net  Wed Apr 25 22:32:04 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:32:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Same password for all lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95.1010425134237.6482A-100000@pecos.ncsa.uiuc.edu>; from brethour@ncsa.uiuc.edu on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:45:52PM -0500
References: <Pine.SOL.3.95.1010425134237.6482A-100000@pecos.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <20010425153204.A1965@stardock.pug.net>

Tanya Brethour (brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu) said something that sounded like:
> I have set up around 4 mailing lists. In alot of cases, person X is signed
> up for all 4 lists. (FYI: all subscribers were added during list creation
> so random passwords were chosen).

I just went through this myself. I wrote a script to convert my ~100
mailing lists where there were duplicate users.

> Now, i was curious if there was anyway (besides forcing the subscriber)
> to have the same password for all lists. So the email address is
> associated to only one password no matter the number of lists?

You need to look in the comments of `withlist` to figure this out.

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From alex at phred.org  Wed Apr 25 22:40:14 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:40:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ports used by mailman
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010425122613.007d3940@pop.btx.dtag.de>
Message-ID: <20010425133951.C69181-100000@phred.org>

On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 hypnose at t-online.de wrote:
> the ports used by mailman in tcp/ip traffic should be 25 and 110 (smtp + pop).
> Are there any other ports used in connection with mailman ?

Mailman doesn't use POP.  You'll need to have port 80 open if you expect
people ot use the web interface though.

alex




From brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Apr 25 22:51:25 2001
From: brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tanya Brethour)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:51:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Same password for all lists
In-Reply-To: <20010425153204.A1965@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.1010425154540.11004A-100000@pecos.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

> > Now, i was curious if there was anyway (besides forcing the subscriber)
> > to have the same password for all lists. So the email address is
> > associated to only one password no matter the number of lists?
> 
> You need to look in the comments of `withlist` to figure this out.

Ok.. so I looked at withlist. There is one function that exists to change
the password of any user you want.  But its only specific to one list.
So.. has anyone integrated this with changing passwords on ALL lists for a
particular address?

Thanks,
Tanya




From pug at pug.net  Wed Apr 25 22:50:54 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:50:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Same password for all lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95.1010425154540.11004A-100000@pecos.ncsa.uiuc.edu>; from brethour@ncsa.uiuc.edu on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:51:25PM -0500
References: <20010425153204.A1965@stardock.pug.net> <Pine.SOL.3.95.1010425154540.11004A-100000@pecos.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <20010425155054.A2120@stardock.pug.net>

Tanya Brethour (brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu) said something that sounded like:
> Ok.. so I looked at withlist. There is one function that exists to change
> the password of any user you want.  But its only specific to one list.
> So.. has anyone integrated this with changing passwords on ALL lists for a
> particular address?

I have not yet, but you could write a simple script wrapper around it.

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From bkuhn at gnu.org  Wed Apr 25 19:05:47 2001
From: bkuhn at gnu.org (Bradley M. Kuhn)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:05:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: *Please* correct the GNU links (was Re: erroneous messages from 1ultram-admin@lists.1ultram.com)
In-Reply-To: <200104241630.KAA26849@wijiji.santafe.edu>; from rms@gnu.org on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:30:23AM -0600
References: <005c01c0c8d4$61c9a200$2349b818@Michael> <m14qF76-000IedC@localhost> <20010419225327.O7314@ebb.org> <m14qZoP-000IeeC@localhost> <20010423172243.X7314@ebb.org> <15077.27834.654264.989765@anthem.wooz.org> <200104241630.KAA26849@wijiji.santafe.edu>
Message-ID: <20010425130547.M31108@ebb.org>

>     I'm not sure how much that will help.  People will either not read
>     that or ignore it out of desperation.  I've been thinking the
>     sponsorship logos should remain, but should not be hyperlinked.

Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org> wrote:

> I think it is a good idea to take out the link in this case.

I agree, but it's probably useful to note they are sponsors and developers
of Mailman, not the maintainers of the particular list.

Some will ignore that message, but others will read it.

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From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Apr 25 05:39:56 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:39:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many messages in an envelope? 
In-Reply-To: Message from alex wetmore <alex@phred.org> 
   of "Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:20:35 PDT." <20010424201818.C69181-100000@phred.org> 
References: <20010424201818.C69181-100000@phred.org> 
Message-ID: <2068.988169996@2wire.com>

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:20:35 -0700 (PDT) 
alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> Codswhallop.  Intelligent MTAs upon successfully connecting to an
>> MX will fork multiple queue runners to that target attempting to
>> deliver N parallel streams to the MX until the queue for that MX
>> is dry.  Even sendmail (finally) does this.

> Yes, but if there are many recipients on the one message then
> there is no reason to send many parallel streams to the final
> server.  

True.  This assumes that your MX distribution is very globby (ie
your have very large numbers of messages all being delivered to the
same domain).  In the general case this is true for AOL, Hotmail,
Yahoo, MSN, and a couple other domains, with the rest of the target
space being forms of large numbers of very small populations.  Once
you get past the point of those large globs being delivered you're
back to lock contention and reduced parallelism as each spool entry
now represents an increasingly large distribution of target MXes.

  Note: This happens to not be true for me. AOL+MSN+HotMail+Yahoo
  form less than 5% of my subscriber base.  

> The system can send one stream with all of the recipients, rather
> then many identical streams with a couple of recipients each.

Which is not necessarily faster, and in AOL's case in particular
will tend to cause AOL to silently delete your messages as suspected
SPAM without every delivering them to the recipients.

There are three variables here: NumberOfTransactions, Parallelism,
and Bandwidth.  The three of them rest on two variables:
TotalNumberOfRecipients and MessageSize.  Where the sweet spot on
that graph is for you is very dependant on your load, setup, etc as
previously discussed.

> It also depends on strongly on which MTA you are using.  

Yup, massively.

> I am very familiar with the Windows 2000 SMTP Server, and not as
> familiar with sendmail or postfix (I've used them for many years,
> but I haven't dug into them).

I can't comment on the Windows side of things, or SMTP Server's
spool handling/locking characteristics as I've never looked at or
used it.  I'm only passingly familiar with Sendmail (last used it in
any heat over 6 years ago).  Since then I've been using primarily
Exim, and more recently Postfix.  I don't feel that I have a full
grap on Postfix'es queue handling yet.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From Troy at VirtualSprings.net  Thu Apr 26 07:05:13 2001
From: Troy at VirtualSprings.net (Troy)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:05:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Explicit Reply Address Stuck
Message-ID: <001f01c0ce0e$8b746920$6401a8c0@cospgs1.co.home.com>

Hi,

After I added an Explicit Reply to Address, I could not delete it out again,   and changing the Directed field to "Poster" didn't seem to help either.

Is this a bug, does anyone know of a fix or work around?


Thanks,
Troy

This is my first time posting to this list, and hope I'm using the right place to post questions like this
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From pmal at space.gr  Thu Apr 26 06:20:25 2001
From: pmal at space.gr (Panagiotis Malakoudis)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:20:25 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The best way to search through the archives.
Message-ID: <3AE7A209.BF675015@space.gr>

I need some advice.

What do you think is the best way to search through the archives?
I see a lot of people using htdig but if you want to secure the archives

and use many mailing lists then the additional administration weight is
big.
A colleague of mine suggested that we add to all the mailing lists an
imap account as a member and then use third party web based software to
searchg through each mailbox. That sounds quite nice and you same all
the time and space that htdig uses to create the wordlist files. On the
other hand htdig should be faster.

Any suggestions?

--
Panagiotis Malakoudis - Systems Administrator
Technical Division
Space Hellas Group of Companies
Voice: +30 1 6504100




From dill at umbi.umd.edu  Thu Apr 26 06:23:56 2001
From: dill at umbi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:23:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Explicit Reply Address Stuck
References: <001f01c0ce0e$8b746920$6401a8c0@cospgs1.co.home.com>
Message-ID: <3AE7A2DC.19802A92@umbi.umd.edu>

> Troy wrote:
> After I added an Explicit Reply to Address, I could not delete it out
> again,   and changing the Directed field to "Poster" didn't seem to
> help either.
> 
> Is this a bug, does anyone know of a fix or work around?

I am definitely not a guru, but I would login as the mailman user and
try:

~/bin/config_list --outputfile listname.txt listname

to "export" the configuration data to an edittable text file, then edit
the file with the text editor of your choice, then "import" the editted
configuration by doing:

~/bin/config_list --inputfile listname.txt

That approach might work around the problem if it is due to some
goofiness in the web interface, web server set up, or file permissions
etc.

-- 
"Jonathan F. Dill" (dill at umbi.umd.edu)



From lists at naturallymothering.net  Thu Apr 26 11:05:28 2001
From: lists at naturallymothering.net (Becky Wilson)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:05:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help installing Mailman
Message-ID: <000901c0ce30$0c192360$0330b43f@default>

Where might I find someone to walk me through the set up of the program?
I've read all the instructions and read me files, but I'm still lost.  I
didn't realize it was going to *this* difficult!  Thank you for your time.
--
Becky




From tercio at radix.com.br  Thu Apr 26 13:25:14 2001
From: tercio at radix.com.br (Tercio Eulalio de A. Fonseca)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:25:14 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems With Users in Other Domain
Message-ID: <3AE8059A.65404E83@radix.com.br>

Hi All,

    I am new with mailman too and I am having the following problem:

    - I created a list called EXAMPLE in lists.mydomain.com.br with 6
members, 5 of them in my own domain and other in otherdomain.com.br.
    - The person outside my domain receive a error message that there
isn't a mailbox called listname at emailserver.mydomain.com.br

     I am using qmail with virtual domain to the mailman domain
lists.mydomain.com.br.

    Anyone could help me ?

thanks,
--
+------------------------------------------------+
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|  Adm de Sistemas - RADIX -  www.radix.com.br   |
|  Fones: +55 (081) 3271.6235 / 9108-5640        |
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From mpm at norwottuck.com  Thu Apr 26 14:07:18 2001
From: mpm at norwottuck.com (Michelle Murrain)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:07:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help installing Mailman
In-Reply-To: <000901c0ce30$0c192360$0330b43f@default>
References: <000901c0ce30$0c192360$0330b43f@default>
Message-ID: <01042608071800.01222@chicago.murrain.net>

On Thursday 26 April 2001 05:05 am, Becky Wilson wrote:
> Where might I find someone to walk me through the set up of the program?
> I've read all the instructions and read me files, but I'm still lost.  I
> didn't realize it was going to *this* difficult!  Thank you for your time.

Well, first off, where do you feel stuck? What kind of system do you have, 
and how are you thinking of installing it? I'm willing to help, but you need 
to start somewhere.

The truth is, you do need a fair bit of basic understanding of Unix commands 
and OS structure, how your mailer program works (sendmail/exim/postfix), how 
e-mail in general works, as well as some knowledge of Apache, too. Without 
this basic knowledge, installing and setting up Mailman might well be 
impossible. I'd suggest if you don't have this knowledge, find someone local 
who does, who can install it for you.

Michelle

-- 
------------
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President
Norwottuck Technology Resources
mpm at norwottuck.com
http://www.norwottuck.com



From mpm at norwottuck.com  Thu Apr 26 14:12:17 2001
From: mpm at norwottuck.com (Michelle Murrain)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:12:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems With Users in Other Domain
In-Reply-To: <3AE8059A.65404E83@radix.com.br>
References: <3AE8059A.65404E83@radix.com.br>
Message-ID: <01042608121701.01222@chicago.murrain.net>

On Thursday 26 April 2001 07:25 am, Tercio Eulalio de A. Fonseca wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>     I am new with mailman too and I am having the following problem:
>
>     - I created a list called EXAMPLE in lists.mydomain.com.br with 6
> members, 5 of them in my own domain and other in otherdomain.com.br.
>     - The person outside my domain receive a error message that there
> isn't a mailbox called listname at emailserver.mydomain.com.br
>
>      I am using qmail with virtual domain to the mailman domain
> lists.mydomain.com.br.
>
>     Anyone could help me ?
>
This sounds like a qmail set up issue, which I am not familiar with. But it 
also might be an issue of whether or not the domain 
emailserver.mydomain.com.br is in your hosts table. Also, you said  
"lists.mydomain.com.br", then "emailserver.mydomain.com.br", then later again 
"lists.mydomain.com.br" So which is it? Is it possible that in Mailman you've 
set the domain to be "emailserver" but in qmail, or in your hosts table you 
have "lists"? In that case, I'm sure that qmail (and everything else) would 
barf.

Michelle
------------
Michelle Murrain, Ph.D.
President
Norwottuck Technology Resources
mpm at norwottuck.com
http://www.norwottuck.com



From oliver01 at prodigy.net.mx  Thu Apr 26 14:14:10 2001
From: oliver01 at prodigy.net.mx (Mike Oliver)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:14:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <3AE81111.E5B06759@prodigy.net.mx>

I want to get E mails in various cities, how do I get to your lists?
Give me the proper nescape to enter. Thank you very much.




From yogesh at janus.gsf.de  Thu Apr 26 15:21:05 2001
From: yogesh at janus.gsf.de (Yogesh Bhanu)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:21:05 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with postfix mailman and suse linux
Message-ID: <200104261321.PAA21661@janus.gsf.de>

Hi all,
	I have a peculiar problem I have setup suse 7.1 box to 
be our mailing list server I am using postfix to send and recieve mail.

Now Iam  able to send mails from the list but when I try replying 
It doesnot work looks like the mail goes into a bit bucket any pointers 
but when I try sending the mail to users on this server it works . 

I have checked  the crontab entries and tehey are all made.

Can anyone point me in the right direction ..

I 'm pretty new to mailman.

Regards
yogesh



From tercio at radix.com.br  Thu Apr 26 15:24:13 2001
From: tercio at radix.com.br (Tercio Eulalio de A. Fonseca)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:24:13 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems With Users in Other Domain
References: <3AE8059A.65404E83@radix.com.br> <01042608121701.01222@chicago.murrain.net>
Message-ID: <3AE8217D.E0F220D7@radix.com.br>

Hi Mrs Murrain,



Michelle Murrain wrote:

>
> >     - The person outside my domain receive a error message that there
> > isn't a mailbox called listname at emailserver.mydomain.com.br
>

  This is the address sent by the e-mail program:
listname at emailserver.mydomain.com.br


> >      I am using qmail with virtual domain to the mailman domain
> > lists.mydomain.com.br.

  lists.mydomain.com.br is a CNAME to emailserver.mydomain.com.br

> >
> This sounds like a qmail set up issue, which I am not familiar with. But it
> also might be an issue of whether or not the domain
> emailserver.mydomain.com.br is in your hosts table. Also, you said
> "lists.mydomain.com.br", then "emailserver.mydomain.com.br", then later again
> "lists.mydomain.com.br" So which is it? Is it possible that in Mailman you've
> set the domain to be "emailserver" but in qmail, or in your hosts table you
> have "lists"? In that case, I'm sure that qmail (and everything else) would
> barf.
>

   I configured the lists.mydomain.com.br like many others virtual domains thar I
have here.

>
> Michelle
> ------------
> Michelle Murrain, Ph.D.
> President

--
+------------------------------------------------+
|  Tercio Eulalio  - E-mail: tercio at radix.com.br |
|  Adm de Sistemas - RADIX -  www.radix.com.br   |
|  Fones: +55 (081) 3271.6235 / 9108-5640        |
+------------------------------------------------+





From yogesh at janus.gsf.de  Thu Apr 26 15:51:16 2001
From: yogesh at janus.gsf.de (Yogesh Bhanu)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:51:16 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with postfix mailman and suse linux Addendum
Message-ID: <200104261351.PAA24513@janus.gsf.de>

Hi all,

	This is an addendum to my earlier posting ...
I have put th post errors ..


Apr 26 17:54:00 2001 (3742) post to bongo from bongo-admin at mips-mail.gsf.de, size=381, 1 failures
Apr 26 17:54:01 2001 (3742) post to bongo from yogesh at janus.gsf.de, size=151, 4 failures
Apr 26 17:54:01 2001 (3742) post to sje from mailman-owner at mips-mail.gsf.de, size=1312, 1 failures

I dont know what the error means ...
by the way postfix is hand compiled v 2.03 and postfix is default that came with
suse distribution

thanks in advance 
yogesh 

 Hi all,
 	I have a peculiar problem I have setup suse 7.1 box to 
 be our mailing list server I am using postfix to send and recieve mail.
 
 Now Iam  able to send mails from the list but when I try replying 
 It doesnot work looks like the mail goes into a bit bucket any pointers 
 but when I try sending the mail to users on this server it works . 
 
 I have checked  the crontab entries and tehey are all made.
 
 Can anyone point me in the right direction ..
 
 I 'm pretty new to mailman.
 



From geert at arago.utwente.nl  Thu Apr 26 15:59:13 2001
From: geert at arago.utwente.nl (Geert Altena)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:59:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with postfix mailman and suse linux
In-Reply-To: <200104261321.PAA21661@janus.gsf.de>; from yogesh@janus.gsf.de on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 03:21:05PM +0200
References: <200104261321.PAA21661@janus.gsf.de>
Message-ID: <20010426155913.C702@uttnarag.tn.utwente.nl>

Quoting Yogesh Bhanu, <yogesh at janus.gsf.de>:
> Hi all,
> 	I have a peculiar problem I have setup suse 7.1 box to 
> be our mailing list server I am using postfix to send and recieve mail.
> 
> Now Iam  able to send mails from the list but when I try replying 
> It doesnot work looks like the mail goes into a bit bucket any pointers 
> but when I try sending the mail to users on this server it works . 
> 
> I have checked  the crontab entries and tehey are all made.

Can you give some more specific info? Like error-messages, log files.
Without those it will be rather difficult for us to help you out...

Also, there is a section in the INSTALL file that comes with the 
source on Postfix.

HTH,
\Geert.
-- 
Geert Altena | Geert at arago.utwente.nl | Coffee, black, no sugar
      Finger for PGPkey : Diffie-Hellman 2048/0xC540C550 
Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. - Niels Bohr



From webmaster at cloudtown.com  Thu Apr 26 16:43:06 2001
From: webmaster at cloudtown.com (WebMaster)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:43:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman question
Message-ID: <3AE833FA.72EA81B4@cloudtown.com>

Ok..  This probably makes total sense, but yet I am unable to fix this.

If it wanted 48 and got 99 ... why am i suppose to reconfig for 99??



Mailman CGI error!!!

The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set
by the Web server.

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
99?)



From Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com  Thu Apr 26 16:40:14 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:40:14 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman question
In-Reply-To: <3AE833FA.72EA81B4@cloudtown.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104261639140.25293-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Use ./configure --with-cgi-gid=99 when configuring mailman ...


Phil ;))

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, WebMaster wrote:

> Ok..  This probably makes total sense, but yet I am unable to fix this.
>
> If it wanted 48 and got 99 ... why am i suppose to reconfig for 99??
>
>
>
> Mailman CGI error!!!
>
> The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set
> by the Web server.
>
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
> 99?)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From alex at phred.org  Thu Apr 26 17:18:07 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The best way to search through the archives.
In-Reply-To: <3AE7A209.BF675015@space.gr>
Message-ID: <20010426081512.P69181-100000@phred.org>

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Panagiotis Malakoudis wrote:
> A colleague of mine suggested that we add to all the mailing lists an
> imap account as a member and then use third party web based software to
> searchg through each mailbox. That sounds quite nice and you same all
> the time and space that htdig uses to create the wordlist files. On the
> other hand htdig should be faster.

Few (none that I know of, except for the rarely used Microsoft MCIS
IMAP Server) IMAP servers index the mailboxes for fast searching.
This means that searching over large archives is going to be expensive
(in time and disk activity).  Using an indexing solution such as htdig
is probably a better solution, especially for active lists.

alex




From Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com  Thu Apr 26 17:14:04 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:14:04 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman question
In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.20010426095617.664fa222@cloudtown.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104261703460.25293-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, PhotoScan and More wrote:

> What if I use the RPM package though, is it the same?

No, because you don't build mailman by yourself.
You can run your web server (Apache, ...) using gid 48

For Apache :
# grep group httpd.conf
Group web

 and is /etc/group, number for web is 48.

The message mailman sent you is explicit : it is configured to want GID
 48, but the http daemon ran with GID 99. You have to set the same GID.


Phil.
>
>
> At 04:40 PM 4/26/01 +0200, you wrote:
> >
> >Use ./configure --with-cgi-gid=99 when configuring mailman ...
> >
> >
> >Phil ;))
> >
> >On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, WebMaster wrote:
> >
> >> Ok..  This probably makes total sense, but yet I am unable to fix this.
> >>
> >> If it wanted 48 and got 99 ... why am i suppose to reconfig for 99??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mailman CGI error!!!
> >>
> >> The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set
> >> by the Web server.
> >>
> >> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
> >> 99?)
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------
> >> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >>
> >
> >
>
>




From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com  Thu Apr 26 17:17:05 2001
From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis Lacayo)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:17:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner -- question
Message-ID: <17D26129D897D4119DC700D0B7A9361A31BFAB@USMAIL01.exlibris-usa.com>

Gents/Ladies, 

we have a small problems,  with qrunner, We have several users that insist
on attaching 30M + attachments and this is causing qrunner to hang. 

has anybody seen this problem, any Ideas of where I can look or configure? 

Any comments or suggestions are welcomed. 

Thanks in advance, 

Luis Lacayo



From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Thu Apr 26 18:02:50 2001
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:02:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman question
Message-ID: <p05010406b70df719f98e@[216.162.173.6]>

All those in favor of changing this error message to read something like:

	Mailman CGI error!!!

	Mailman was compiled to use GID 48, but the web server is 
running as GID
	99.  You must run ./configure again --with-cgi-gid=99, as described in
	the INSTALL document that came with this distribution, and recompile.

raise your hand.  Anyway, reword it so it's unmistakable what the problem is.

	- H


>Ok..  This probably makes total sense, but yet I am unable to fix this.
>
>If it wanted 48 and got 99 ... why am i suppose to reconfig for 99??
>
>
>
>Mailman CGI error!!!
>
>The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set
>by the Web server.
>
>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
>99?)

-- 

Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From pug at pug.net  Thu Apr 26 18:10:36 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with member_posting_only setting....
In-Reply-To: <20010419185723.A13310@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 06:57:23PM -0500
References: <20010419185723.A13310@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010426111036.A5749@stardock.pug.net>

>   I am trying to use the config_list script to change things for
>   different mailing lists. Unfortunately one thing I can't seem to
>   change is member_post_only. It keeps telling me:
> 
> attribute "member_post_only" ignored
> 
>   My new config input looks like:
> 
> member_post_only = 1
> 
>   And the setting in the file is 0.
> 
>   Any ideas?

I never got any responses to this, so I thought I'd try again.

NOTE: If I put DEFAULT_MEMBER_POSTING_ONLY = 1 in the mm_cfg.py, I can't
      set it to 0 via config_list either.

I notice that the comments from Default.py state:

# Make it 1 when it works.

but I don't know what that means.

Thanks for any and all help!

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From pug at pug.net  Thu Apr 26 18:22:26 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with member_posting_only setting....
In-Reply-To: <20010426111036.A5749@stardock.pug.net>; from pug@pug.net on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 11:10:36AM -0500
References: <20010419185723.A13310@stardock.pug.net> <20010426111036.A5749@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <20010426112226.A5881@stardock.pug.net>

Pug Bainter (pug at pug.net) said something that sounded like:
> > attribute "member_post_only" ignored
> >   My new config input looks like:
> > member_post_only = 1

Nevermind! I'm an idiot.

It should be member_posting_only.

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From yogesh at janus.gsf.de  Thu Apr 26 18:23:16 2001
From: yogesh at janus.gsf.de (Yogesh Bhanu)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:23:16 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Summary postfix mailman suse ...
Message-ID: <200104261623.SAA06204@janus.gsf.de>

Hi,
	I fixed my problem ..
I had to expcitly tell which SMTPHOST option in mm-cfg.py ...

Are there any tools to convert majordomo archives to mailman archives ...

Thanx for the resposes,
yogesh



From duj at ufl.edu  Thu Apr 26 18:31:26 2001
From: duj at ufl.edu (Donna Jackson)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:31:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search utility
Message-ID: <3AE84D5E.3B6CC498@ufl.edu>

Does mailman come with a search utility that has a web-interface.

Thanks,
Donna

--
Donna Jackson                             INVEST Data Coordinating Center
Program Assistant                         Division of Biostatistics
duj at ufl.edu                               University of Florida






From edgar002 at bama.ua.edu  Thu Apr 26 18:35:16 2001
From: edgar002 at bama.ua.edu (adam.edgar)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:35:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing template
Message-ID: <20010426113516.A8171@bama.ua.edu>

Does anyone here know a simple way to customize the general template for
mailman.  I would like to add our site emblem (Alabama Public Radio) the 
seal and apache to the banners at the base (actually a line below them).
So is there a template file or is this generated by python? (note I know 
very little python and dont feel like hacking a great deal of code anyway)

Thank you
Adam Edgar



From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Thu Apr 26 19:27:03 2001
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk Wythers)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:27:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why is only admin getting messages
Message-ID: <01042612270306.17798@lorax.forestry.umn.edu>

Currently, new list members can sign on our list, but when a listmember tries 
to post a message to the list, only the administrator gets the message. The 
list is suppose to be moderated (i.e. "Must posts be approved by the 
administrator?" Yes). 

If a list member tries to post a message, the administrator does not receive 
notification that administrator authorization is required. Rather the admin 
receives a copy of the posted message. Is this the way it is supposed to 
work? I thought that the administrator should get notification, then visit 
the "Tend to administrative requests page", and either approve or not approve 
the post. 

Thanks,

Kirk



From webmaster at cloudtown.com  Thu Apr 26 19:45:21 2001
From: webmaster at cloudtown.com (WebMaster)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:45:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one more time
Message-ID: <3AE85EB1.42311D1F@cloudtown.com>

Ok.. I got mailman installed just having archive problems.

I have the following in my httpd.conf file

Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
<Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
	Options FollowSymLinks
</Directory>

Yes I still get the following msg 

The requested URL /pipermail/chatmatrix/ was not found on this server.



From lists at thoene.net  Thu Apr 26 19:45:40 2001
From: lists at thoene.net (Matt Thoene)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one more time
In-Reply-To: <3AE85EB1.42311D1F@cloudtown.com>
Message-ID: <ODEJKGOBNOOOCAFHAAOMKEOBDEAA.lists@thoene.net>

Just for verification, you do have...

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/

..in httpd.conf as well right?

-Matt

::-----Original Message-----
::From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
::[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of WebMaster
::Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:45 AM
::To: mailman-users at python.org
::Subject: [Mailman-Users] one more time
::
::
::Ok.. I got mailman installed just having archive problems.
::
::I have the following in my httpd.conf file
::
::Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
::<Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
::	Options FollowSymLinks
::</Directory>
::
::Yes I still get the following msg 
::
::The requested URL /pipermail/chatmatrix/ was not found on this server.
::
::------------------------------------------------------
::Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
::http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
::



From spades at galaxynet.org  Thu Apr 26 19:57:43 2001
From: spades at galaxynet.org (Spades)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:57:43 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't open file '/home/mailman/scripts/post'
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010427015743.0074b130@smtp.magix.com.sg>

Any idea how to fix this?

>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post outing"
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>/usr/local/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/scripts/post'
>554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post outing"... unknown mailer error 2




From orion at deathcon.com  Thu Apr 26 18:47:20 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one more time
In-Reply-To: <3AE85EB1.42311D1F@cloudtown.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104260945140.6094-100000@mail.pirk.com>

Looks ok to me... Have you restarted the webserver? (kill -HUP on 
the parent pid?).

Also, try removing the "" from around the "real" dir in the alias:
OLD:
Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

NEW:
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/

Steve
--
Steve Pirk
orion at deathcon.com . deathcon.com . pirk.com . webops.com . t2servers.com 

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, WebMaster wrote:

> Ok.. I got mailman installed just having archive problems.
> 
> I have the following in my httpd.conf file
> 
> Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
> <Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
> 	Options FollowSymLinks
> </Directory>
> 
> Yes I still get the following msg 
> 
> The requested URL /pipermail/chatmatrix/ was not found on this server.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From webmaster at cloudtown.com  Thu Apr 26 19:52:51 2001
From: webmaster at cloudtown.com (webmaster)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:52:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one more time
Message-ID: <2.2.16.20010426125832.7607a3f6@cloudtown.com>

Yes I have

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

<Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin">
        AllowOeverride None
        Options ExecCGI
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
</Directory>


At 10:45 AM 4/26/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Just for verification, you do have...
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
>..in httpd.conf as well right?
>
>-Matt
>
>::-----Original Message-----
>::From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>::[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of WebMaster
>::Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:45 AM
>::To: mailman-users at python.org
>::Subject: [Mailman-Users] one more time
>::
>::
>::Ok.. I got mailman installed just having archive problems.
>::
>::I have the following in my httpd.conf file
>::
>::Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
>::<Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
>::	Options FollowSymLinks
>::</Directory>
>::
>::Yes I still get the following msg 
>::
>::The requested URL /pipermail/chatmatrix/ was not found on this server.
>::
>::------------------------------------------------------
>::Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>::http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>::
>
>




From benwa at ocentrix.net  Thu Apr 26 20:07:42 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.net (Ben Burnett)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:07:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman question
Message-ID: <200104261807.f3QI7g111087@mail.ocentrix.net>

------- Original Copy -------
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman question
>Date: 04/26/2001 9:02 AM
>From: Harold Paulson <haroldp at sierraweb.com>
>To: mailman-users at python.org

>
>All those in favor of changing this error message to read
something like:
>
>	Mailman CGI error!!!
>
>	Mailman was compiled to use GID 48, but the web server is 
>running as GID
>	99.  You must run ./configure again --with-cgi-gid=99, as
described in
>	the INSTALL document that came with this distribution, and
recompile.
>
>raise your hand.  Anyway, reword it so it's unmistakable
what the problem is.
>
>	- H
>

I like the spirit of your rewording although it might be
clearer and more terse to just say:

Mailman CGI error!!! Mailman was compiled to use GID 48, but
the web server is running as GID 99.  You must run
./configure again --with-cgi-gid=99, or reconfigure your web
server.

-Ben



From benwa at ocentrix.net  Thu Apr 26 20:26:21 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.net (Ben Burnett)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:26:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing template
Message-ID: <200104261826.f3QIQLN11303@mail.ocentrix.net>

------- Original Copy -------
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing template
>Date: 04/26/2001 11:35 AM
>From: "adam.edgar" <edgar002 at bama.ua.edu>
>To: mailman-users at python.org

>Does anyone here know a simple way to customize the general
template for
>mailman.  I would like to add our site emblem (Alabama
Public Radio) the 
>seal and apache to the banners at the base (actually a line
below them).
>So is there a template file or is this generated by python?
(note I know 
>very little python and dont feel like hacking a great deal
of code anyway)
>
>Thank you
>Adam Edgar
>

Adam,

This footer is created in the Mailman script "htmlformat.py"
at the very bottom.

I hacked this to change the layout in my company's
installation.  It was the first Python I had ever done
(although I am well versed in Perl) and it was fairly
stressless.  I just added two lines and changed two others. 
You can see the changes I made below.
(My Joydesk account sometimes adds newlines that make it
difficult to read so I have attatched the changes as well.)

-------------------------
...lots of code here...
# Logo constants
#
# These are the URLs which the image logos link to.  The
Mailman home page now
# points at the gnu.org site instead of the www.list.org
mirror.
#
from mm_cfg import MAILMAN_URL
PYTHON_URL  = 'http://www.python.org/'
GNU_URL     = 'http://www.gnu.org/'
# added ocentrix branding
OCX_URL     = 'http://www.ocentrix.com/'
 
# The names of the image logo files.  These are
concatentated onto
# mm_cfg.IMAGE_LOGOS (not urljoined).
DELIVERED_BY = 'mailman.jpg'
PYTHON_POWERED = 'PythonPowered.png'
GNU_HEAD = 'gnu-head-tiny.jpg'
# added ocentrix branding
OCX_POWERED = 'powered.jpg'
 
def MailmanLogo():
    t = Table(border=0, width='100%')
    if mm_cfg.IMAGE_LOGOS:
        def logo(file):
            return mm_cfg.IMAGE_LOGOS + file
        mmlink = Link(MAILMAN_URL,
                      '<img src="%s" alt="Delivered by
Mailman" border=0>'
                      '<br>version %s'
                      % (logo(DELIVERED_BY),
mm_cfg.VERSION))
        pylink = Link(PYTHON_URL,
                      '<img src="%s" alt="Python Powered"
border=0>' %
                      logo(PYTHON_POWERED))
        gnulink = Link(GNU_URL,
                       '<img src="%s" alt="GNU\'s Not Unix"
border=0>' %
                       logo(GNU_HEAD))
        ocxlink = Link(OCX_URL,
                       '<img src="%s" alt="Powered by
Ocentrix" border=0>' %
                       logo(OCX_POWERED))
        text = Container(Link(MAILMAN_URL, 'Mailman home
page'),
                         '<br>',
                         Link(PYTHON_URL, 'Python home
page'),
                         '<br>',
                         Link(GNU_URL, 'GNU home page'),
                         '<br>',
                         Link(OCX_URL, 'Ocentrix home
page'),
                         )
        t.AddRow([mmlink, ocxlink])
# changed this line to apply ocentrix branding
#        t.AddRow([mmlink, pylink, gnulink, ocxlink, text])
    else:
        # use only textual links
        mmlink = Link(MAILMAN_URL,
                      'Delivered by Mailman<br>version %s' %
mm_cfg.VERSION)
        pylink = Link(PYTHON_URL, 'Python Powered')
        gnulink = Link(GNU_URL, "Gnu's Not Unix")
        ocxlink = Link(OCX_URL, "Powered by Ocentrix")
        t.AddRow([mmlink, ocxlink])
# changed this line to apply ocentrix branding
#        t.AddRow([mmlink, pylink, gnulink, ocxlink])
    return t
---------------------------------------------

I just slapped my companies logo into the directory with the
rest of them and it works fine.

- Ben
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From gaston at esc.edu.ar  Thu Apr 26 20:48:09 2001
From: gaston at esc.edu.ar (Franco Gaston)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:48:09 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] International version???
Message-ID: <3AE86D69.6D7A158B@esc.edu.ar>

Hi!. 

We?ve been waiting for more that one year...Is there any chance that an International 
version of mailman be released? and We need to know an approximate release date, 
if there is any.

TIA,



From benwa at ocentrix.net  Thu Apr 26 20:49:23 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.net (Ben Burnett)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:49:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing template
Message-ID: <200104261849.f3QInNL12178@mail.ocentrix.net>

------- Original Copy -------
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customizing template
>Date: 04/26/2001 11:26 AM
>From: Ben Burnett<benwa at ocentrix.net>
>To: mailman-users at python.org, edgar002 at bama.ua.edu
>Reply-To: benwa at ocentrix.com

>I just added two lines and changed two others. 

ok I lied. According to diff I had to add 7 lines and change
12 but it was still pretty intuitive to figure out.

-Ben
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From claw at 2wire.com  Thu Apr 26 23:43:15 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:43:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search utility 
In-Reply-To: Message from Donna Jackson <duj@ufl.edu> 
   of "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:31:26 EDT." <3AE84D5E.3B6CC498@ufl.edu> 
References: <3AE84D5E.3B6CC498@ufl.edu> 
Message-ID: <13660.988321395@2wire.com>

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:31:26 -0400 
Donna Jackson <duj at ufl.edu> wrote:

> Does mailman come with a search utility that has a web-interface.

No.  Common solutions are to bolt MNoGoSearch (was UdmSerch),
HT::Dig, or Swish-E on the side.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From duj at ufl.edu  Fri Apr 27 00:12:49 2001
From: duj at ufl.edu (Donna Jackson)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:12:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search utility 
References: <3AE84D5E.3B6CC498@ufl.edu>  <13660.988321395@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c0ce9e$09106d40$be13d0d1@pavilion>

Thanks for the reply.  I'll investigate these other solutions.

Donna

Donna Jackson                          INVEST Data Coordinating Center
Program Assistant                       Division of Biostatistics
duj at ufl.edu                                University of Florida
Voice:  352-392-7635                 Fax:  352-392-4168  
----- Original Message ----- 
From: J C Lawrence <claw at 2wire.com>
To: <duj at ufl.edu>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Search utility 


> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:31:26 -0400 
> Donna Jackson <duj at ufl.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Does mailman come with a search utility that has a web-interface.
> 
> No.  Common solutions are to bolt MNoGoSearch (was UdmSerch),
> HT::Dig, or Swish-E on the side.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 




From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Apr 27 02:29:01 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:29:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undelivered msgs?
Message-ID: <3AE8BD4D.A5E03F9F@pcraft.com>

    For some unknown reason, mailman 2.0 started doing something rather
weird today and I can't figure out why, nor how to fix it.  It's been
running fine for months, however today I received several messages with
the subject of 'Undeliverable Mail', and it pastes almost the entire
message in the body.  This is what it looks like (sorry for the spam):

---------------------------------------------------

Invalid final delivery userid: jessi at LOCALHOST


Original message follows.

Received: from battlezone.yeehaw.net [204.144.132.175] by
mail.hostronix.com with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-6.00) id A953901D6; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:12:03 -0400
Received: from ns1.yeehaw.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])
        by battlezone.yeehaw.net (8.11.3/8.11.3-battle) with ESMTP id
f3R09HP278231;
        Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:09:18 -0600 (MDT)
Received: from host4.apollohosting.com (host4.apollohosting.com
[209.239.38.251])
        by battlezone.yeehaw.net (8.11.3/8.11.3-battle) with ESMTP id
f3R08gP272756
        for <journals at lists.yeehaw.net>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:08:43 -0600
(MDT)
Received: from cjadudley (iq-ind-as004-86.iquest.net [209.43.54.86])
        by host4.apollohosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id
f3R0AWL26260
        for <journals at lists.yeehaw.net>; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:10:32 -0400

Message-Id: <200104270010.f3R0AWL26260 at host4.apollohosting.com>
From: anathema <journals at the-anathema.org>
To: <journals at lists.yeehaw.net>
X-Mailer: Poco 2.11 (777) - Registered Version
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:15:30 -0500
X-URL: http://www.the-anathema.org
In-Reply-To:  <3AE8B666.2DE171CD at pcraft.com>
Subject: Re: [Journals] Test Msg
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by
battlezone.yeehaw.net id f3R08gP272756
Sender: journals-admin at lists.yeehaw.net
Errors-To: journals-admin at lists.yeehaw.net
X-BeenThere: journals at lists.yeehaw.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: journals at lists.yeehaw.net
List-Help: <mailto:journals-request at lists.yeehaw.net?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:journals at lists.yeehaw.net>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.yeehaw.net/mailman/listinfo/journals>,
        <mailto:journals-request at lists.yeehaw.net?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Discussion list for diarists <journals.lists.yeehaw.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.yeehaw.net/mailman/listinfo/journals>,
        <mailto:journals-request at lists.yeehaw.net?subject=unsubscribe>

It were said <ashley at pcraft.com> quoth:
>    If this was a real emergency, you'd be reading an actual Journals-L

[message truncated]

----------------------------------------------------

    Why is this happening?  Why does it refer to a user
jessi at LOCALHOST?  It's been doing it on other users as well.  I don't
have anyone subscribed with that email, nor do I have anyone locally on
the machine that is subscribed to that list.

--
W |
  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  |____________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
  .................. .  .  .     .               Boulder, CO 80303, USA





From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Apr 27 02:32:11 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:32:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ NEVERMIND ] Undelivered Msgs
Message-ID: <3AE8BE0B.E15EA2EC@pcraft.com>

    Figured it out.

--
W |
  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  |____________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
  .................. .  .  .     .               Boulder, CO 80303, USA





From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Apr 27 02:38:27 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:38:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ NEVERMIND ] Undelivered Msgs
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104261636240.7149-100000@mail.pirk.com>
Message-ID: <3AE8BF83.D0F07B52@pcraft.com>

Steve Pirk wrote:

> well....? what was it? :-)

    Not mailman. :)

    AMK4

--
W |
  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  |____________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
  .................. .  .  .     .               Boulder, CO 80303, USA





From Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com  Fri Apr 27 09:55:37 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:55:37 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one more time
In-Reply-To: <3AE85EB1.42311D1F@cloudtown.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0104270953580.28482-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Did you make you archive "public". If not, the archives (if available)
 are viewable by http://<server>/mailman/private/...


Phil.
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______________________________________________________________________
           HP - mailto:philippe_rodriguez at grenoble.hp.com
              ALPLOG - mailto:p.rodriguez at alplog.fr
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, WebMaster wrote:

> Ok.. I got mailman installed just having archive problems.
>
> I have the following in my httpd.conf file
>
> Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
> <Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
> 	Options FollowSymLinks
> </Directory>
>
> Yes I still get the following msg
>
> The requested URL /pipermail/chatmatrix/ was not found on this server.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From mikael.sjoblom at nyamedier.sr.se  Fri Apr 27 12:39:23 2001
From: mikael.sjoblom at nyamedier.sr.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Sj=F6blom?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:39:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Swedish characters
Message-ID: <200104270939.LAA18809@honken.sr.se>

Hi!
I have recently installed mailman and I am now trying to figure out 
how to make it accept swedish characters (???) in the templates (such 
as verify.txt/subscribeack.txt). Can anyone help me out?

I tried to find an answer to that question in the 
mailman-users-archive but it is very hard to go through all the 
mails and I couldnt find an answer.

Thanks in advance!!!

/Micke
Mikael Sj?blom
Teknisk koordinator
SR Nya Medier
10510 Stockholm

08-784 5296
073-3845296



From cs at merchandisewholesale.com  Fri Apr 27 21:04:15 2001
From: cs at merchandisewholesale.com (Merchandise WholeSale)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:04:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Grand Opening
Message-ID: <200104271706.MAA13604@ns-01.starhosting.net>

	First off I would like to Thank You for taking time to read this 
letter. Second of all your e-mail address was pulled from an on-line 
source, if this was unsolicited from an unclean source we're very sorry, 
but you will not receive any other e-mails from us. This is the only & last 
message you'll receive from us, so you don't have to worry about an 
unsubscribe list or spam. Nor will we give your e-mail out to any one else. 
I'd like to stop, and tell you about a new ON-LINE Retail store. 
Merchandise Wholesale, a retail store that has over 2,000 products  for 
home,travel,jewelry,personal needs etc... Please take time out when you 
have it to browse our ON-LINE directory at  
http://www.merchandisewholesale.com  Click on any images of the item to 
enlarge. Our site is always under constant change for the better. 

Thanks for your precious time, HTTP://MERCHANDISEWHOLESALE.COM
  
   promotions at merchandisewholesale.com
   
   



From shynes at weblogixinc.com  Fri Apr 27 19:31:17 2001
From: shynes at weblogixinc.com (Sean Hynes)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:31:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customization
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010427122617.00a265c0@mail.club10.com>

Hello we are developing an OPT-in mailer system and we are looking for some 
advanced programmers that can create a high speed mailer system that works 
with our MySQL database. Right now we are developing an application in 
IHTML which is like Cold Fusion for the campaign management of sending 
messages etc. (on Linux)

Can you reccommend someone for the Mailer programming? QMail is what we 
thinking is best, open to suggestions. How much can we configure Mailman 
for the use with our System? Is the database behind MAILMAN have an open 
source ODBC driver? Do you think trying to tweak MAILMAN might be to much 
of a hassle ?

THanks for any input,
Sean



Sean Hynes
Web Master
GTW Communications, Inc




From mailman at howlingfrog.com  Fri Apr 27 22:09:33 2001
From: mailman at howlingfrog.com (Graham TerMarsch)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:09:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big problems with stale lockfiles on large list...
Message-ID: <0104271309330S.08359@graham.localdomain>

Running Mailman-2.0.1, with Python 1.5.2 on a RedHat 6.2 machine along 
w/Apache-1.3.14 and Sendmail-8.11.0, and am having some serious grief with 
stale lockfiles on one of our lists.  List contains ~60k addresses on it, 
and has constant traffic to the WWW administration pages.  Not high volume 
for sending msgs though (only one or two a day) as its a 
broadcast/announce list.

I'm finding, though, that the WWW processes are regularly creating stale 
locks that sit around and hold everything up.  For fun, I tried using "ab" 
(ApacheBench) to fire up five concurrent "subscribe" requests to our box, 
and saw that it regularly ended up creating stale locks and blocking out 
the rest of the system.  Worse yet, I'm not seeing any useful information 
in the "logs/errors" file, nor am I getting anything useful in 
"logs/locks" (other than seeing that some process got a lock, did its 
thing, and then shut itself down _WITHOUT_ releasing the lock).

>From reading through the notes in "Default.py", it outlines that the 
locking timeouts are probably one of the most important things that can be 
"tuned".  I'm not, however, having any luck in finding information that 
outlines how these values should be tuned for BIG lists.

I'm presuming that what I'm running into is more of a config/tuning issue 
than a serious bug, as I'm sure I can't be the only person running lists 
this large.

Any and all information, tips, pointers, or suggestions are welcome.

-- 
Graham TerMarsch



From daniel at yipyip.com  Fri Apr 27 22:32:51 2001
From: daniel at yipyip.com (Daniel Einspanjer)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:32:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My old mailing list is not working after installation on a new distro.
Message-ID: <E14tEw5-0004rI-00@guardian.yipyip.com>

I'm having a problem with mailman 2.04 running with exim and apache on a mandrake distro.

Fortunately, it is no longer the standard hard link problem. :)  I read the FAQ and the README.LINUX and ran the secure_linux fix.  One thing that took me a bit to figure out is that you have to run that script with a -f.  If you don't, it outputs some information, but it doesn't actually output a usage line telling you it didn't run properly.  When it didn't fix my problem, I went looking in the file and discovered the -f requirement. :)

Anyway.. my problem is that I used to have mailman running on a redhat 6.2 distro and I copied the entire home directory over to the mandrake side.  I downloaded the latest mailman and installed it over that.  After a few tweaks and such, I've got newly created lists to work fine, but my old list cannot be administered.  It hangs if you go to .../admin/listname .  The listinfo/listname page comes up, but if you try to add your name to the list, the results page comes up with the message stating that the subscription was deferred for approval, then the "We hit a bug" message appears.  The log file reports that a "No such file or directory error" occured.  Here is the traceback:

Apr 27 16:27:10 2001 admin(18607): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(18607): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.4 -----]
admin(18607): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(18607): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(18607):   File "/home/mail/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(18607):     main()
admin(18607):   File "/home/mail/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 55, in main
admin(18607):     mlist.Save()
admin(18607):   File "/home/mail/Mailman/MailList.py", line 860, in Save
admin(18607):     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
admin(18607):   File "/home/mail/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in Che
ckHTMLArchiveDir
admin(18607):     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
admin(18607):   File "/home/mail/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in make
link
admin(18607):     os.symlink(old, new)
admin(18607): OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
admin(18607): [----- Python Information -----]

One other piece of information, if you go to the mailman/admin page, it will list any new mailing lists I create, but it doesn't list the old one.

Does anyone have any ideas on where I should check?




From soros_gergo at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 27 22:46:49 2001
From: soros_gergo at yahoo.com (Gergo Soros)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:46:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big problems with stale lockfiles on large list...
References: <0104271309330S.08359@graham.localdomain>
Message-ID: <009c01c0cf5b$3165c2a0$01000001@sgergo.hu>

> Running Mailman-2.0.1, with Python 1.5.2 on a RedHat 6.2 machine along 
> w/Apache-1.3.14 and Sendmail-8.11.0, and am having some serious grief with 
> stale lockfiles on one of our lists.  List contains ~60k addresses on it, 
> and has constant traffic to the WWW administration pages.  Not high volume 
> for sending msgs though (only one or two a day) as its a 
> broadcast/announce list.

Graham,

We also experienced similar problems in the past with large lists. We found 
that if the admin is accessing the long and slow-loading members admin pages, 
and does not wait for the page to complete (e.g. clicks one of the admin links 
or hits refresh or stop) the lock will remain. As a temporary solution we have 
instructed our admins to wait for all pages to completely load, no stale locks 
since then. This is on a Cobalt RaQ4i (Redhat) with Apache 1.3x. 
Hope this helps,

Gergo


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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Apr 27 22:55:03 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:55:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big problems with stale lockfiles on large list...
References: <0104271309330S.08359@graham.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3AE9DCA7.54FAA44F@pcraft.com>

Graham TerMarsch wrote:

> I'm finding, though, that the WWW processes are regularly creating stale
> locks that sit around and hold everything up.
>
> Any and all information, tips, pointers, or suggestions are welcome.

    I have a perl script run every 15 minutes and check for lock files.  Any
lock file older than 10 minutes gets forcibly removed (by the script).  This
way my admins don't have to wait till I come around to manually delete them.
Keeping in mind that the default timeout for a webserver is generally 5
minutes, the 10 minutes wait period works out great.

    AMK4

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From daniel at yipyip.com  Fri Apr 27 23:09:45 2001
From: daniel at yipyip.com (Daniel Einspanjer)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:09:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My old mailing list is not working after installation on a new distro.
In-Reply-To: <E14tEw5-0004rI-00@guardian.yipyip.com>
Message-ID: <E14tFVn-00052A-00@guardian.yipyip.com>

I think I found the problem.  I didn't make a mailman user in my new installation, used my existing user "mail" and set up a /home/mail/ directory.  Unfortunately, when doing a grep for "/home/mailman/", I see the the mailing list's config.db is still pointing to the old directory structure.  Could anyone tell me how to update that?

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:32:51 -0400, Daniel Einspanjer wrote:
I'm having a problem with mailman 2.04 running with exim and apache on a mandrake distro.

Fortunately, it is no longer the standard hard link problem. :) ?I read the FAQ and the README.LINUX and ran the secure_linux fix. ?One thing that took me a bit to figure out is that you have to run that script with a -f. ?If you don't, it outputs some information, but it doesn't actually output a usage line telling you it didn't run properly. ?When it didn't fix my problem, I went looking in the file and discovered the -f requirement. :)

Anyway.. my problem is that I used to have mailman running on a redhat 6.2 distro and I copied the entire home directory over to the mandrake side. ?I downloaded the latest mailman and installed it over that. ?After a few tweaks and such, I've got newly created lists to work fine, but my old list cannot be administered. ?It hangs if you go to .../admin/listname . ?The listinfo/listname page comes up, but if you try to add your name to the list, the results page comes up with the message stating that the subscription was deferred for approval, then the "We hit a bug" message appears. ?The log file reports that a "No such file or directory error" occured. ?Here is the traceback:

Apr 27 16:27:10 2001 admin(18607): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(18607): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.4 -----]
admin(18607): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(18607): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(18607): ? File "/home/mail/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(18607): ? ? main()
admin(18607): ? File "/home/mail/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 55, in main
admin(18607): ? ? mlist.Save()
admin(18607): ? File "/home/mail/Mailman/MailList.py", line 860, in Save
admin(18607): ? ? self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
admin(18607): ? File "/home/mail/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in Che
ckHTMLArchiveDir
admin(18607): ? ? makelink(privdir, pubdir)
admin(18607): ? File "/home/mail/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in make
link
admin(18607): ? ? os.symlink(old, new)
admin(18607): OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
admin(18607): [----- Python Information -----]

One other piece of information, if you go to the mailman/admin page, it will list any new mailing lists I create, but it doesn't list the old one.

Does anyone have any ideas on where I should check?


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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Apr 27 23:13:22 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:13:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My old mailing list is not working after 
 installation on a new distro.
References: <E14tFVn-00052A-00@guardian.yipyip.com>
Message-ID: <3AE9E0F2.2221B37@pcraft.com>

Daniel Einspanjer wrote:

> I think I found the problem.  I didn't make a mailman user in my new installation, used my existing user "mail" and set up a /home/mail/ directory.  Unfortunately, when doing a grep for "/home/mailman/", I see the the mailing list's config.db is still pointing to the old directory structure.  Could anyone tell me how to update that?

    bin/move_list

    AMK4

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From daniel at yipyip.com  Fri Apr 27 23:15:19 2001
From: daniel at yipyip.com (Daniel Einspanjer)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:15:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My old mailing list is not working after installation on a new distro.
In-Reply-To: <3AE9E0F2.2221B37@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <E14tFbA-000535-00@guardian.yipyip.com>

I tried that, but the move_list program hangs as well.  I can only assume it is reading that bad directory and failing?

I'm going to try to create a symlinked structure and see if it can run then.  Any further ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Daniel

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:13:22 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
Daniel Einspanjer wrote:

>?I think I found the problem. ?I didn't make a mailman user in my new installation, used my existing user "mail" and set up a /home/mail/ directory. ?Unfortunately, when doing a grep for "/home/mailman/", I see the the mailing list's config.db is still pointing to the old directory structure. ?Could anyone tell me how to update that?

??bin/move_list

??AMK4

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?|____________________________________________________________________
?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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?SysAdmin / Websmith ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . ? ? 800.441.3873 x130
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Apr 27 23:18:06 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:18:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My old mailing list is not working after 
 installation on a new distro.
References: <E14tFbA-000535-00@guardian.yipyip.com>
Message-ID: <3AE9E20E.1B9189F4@pcraft.com>

Daniel Einspanjer wrote:

> I tried that, but the move_list program hangs as well.  I can only assume it is reading that bad directory and failing?
> I'm going to try to create a symlinked structure and see if it can run then.  Any further ideas would be greatly appreciated.

    Synlinks have nothing to do with it as it does not try to read the old (bad) directory.  If your lists are large, it will sit there for a while.  Check your lists first, make sure they're okay:

    bin/check_db <list>

    then run the move

    bin/move_list <list>

    AMK4

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From khj at cs.appstate.edu  Fri Apr 27 23:19:52 2001
From: khj at cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 27 Apr 2001 17:19:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prohibiting Local Access to Archives
Message-ID: <e66fq9h1j.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>

This is the *third* letter I have written on the same topic.  Before I
give up and return to using Majordomo for certain lists, I am trying
one last time.

Is there a way to prohibit local users (with some knowledge of
Mailman's archive directory structure and naming conventions) from
seeing the contents of archived files?

I'd like to continue web-access to the archives for list members, but
prohibit access to local users on the Mailman "host machine". The fact
that ../mailman/archives/private/ has "drwxrws--x" permissions isn't
sufficient.

Attached below are my previous postings.

Thanks for any help!

-- 
Prof Kenneth H Jacker       khj at cs.appstate.edu
Computer Science Dept       www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj
Appalachian State Univ
Boone, NC  28608  USA        

 |Subject: Not Allowing Local Archive Access
 |To: mailman-users at python.org
 |Date: 29 Dec 2000 13:16:59 -0500
 |
 |I have a hunch I'm just being dense/stupid, but I'm not sure how to
 |make (a least some) list archives unreadable on the 'Mailman' host.
 |
 |It appears everything under ~mailman has at least `--x' permissions
 |for the world/others and many have 'r-x' or just 'r--'.
 |
 |What do I do to make certain list archives *unreadable* locally?
 |
 |Thanks,
 |
 |  -Kenneth
 |
 |
 |Subject: Truly Private Archives
 |To: mailman-users at python.org
 |Date: 05 Feb 2001 23:15:34 -0500
 |
 |Anyone on the local 'Mailman' machine can -- with even a little
 |knowledge of Mailman's directory structure and hosted mailing lists --
 |simply 'cd' to one of the "archives" sub-dirs and "read away".
 |
 |What if the permissions of /usr/local/etc/mailman (~mailman) are set
 |to:
 |        drwxrws---  mailman  mailman
 |
 |
 |instead of the current:
 |
 |        drwxrwsr-x  mailman  mailman      ?
 |
 |
 |Will the *entire* Mailman system still work correctly?
 |
 |Thanks for your comments!
 |
 |  -Kenneth



From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Apr 27 23:31:35 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:31:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prohibiting Local Access to Archives
References: <e66fq9h1j.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>
Message-ID: <3AE9E536.F1C0BAD2@pcraft.com>

Kenneth Jacker wrote:

> I'd like to continue web-access to the archives for list members, but
> prohibit access to local users on the Mailman "host machine". The fact
> that ../mailman/archives/private/ has "drwxrws--x" permissions isn't
> sufficient.

    This isn't a mailman problem, this is a problem with the way you have
your setup.

    For example, all of my users are UID.users, while mailman is
mailman.mailman.  No one in the users group can read anything in the mailman
private directory.  No matter how hard they try.  They can read the public
archives if they so feel like it, but that's it.

    The mailman documentation tells you to create a separate group for it.
There's a reason for that.

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  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
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  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Apr 27 23:31:52 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prohibiting Local Access to Archives
Message-ID: <200104272131.OAA08247@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

It seems to me that changing the permissions on the files you want
to prevent access to anyone other than group mailman would be 
sufficient, no?  Unless the process of adding to the files 
automatically resets the permissions, in which case it's probably
the umask on the process creating them that needs to be set to 006
instead of 002.

Agreed?

> This is the *third* letter I have written on the same topic.  Before I
> give up and return to using Majordomo for certain lists, I am trying
> one last time.
> 
> Is there a way to prohibit local users (with some knowledge of
> Mailman's archive directory structure and naming conventions) from
> seeing the contents of archived files?
> 
> I'd like to continue web-access to the archives for list members, but
> prohibit access to local users on the Mailman "host machine". The fact
> that ../mailman/archives/private/ has "drwxrws--x" permissions isn't
> sufficient.
> 
> Attached below are my previous postings.
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> 
> -- 
> Prof Kenneth H Jacker       khj at cs.appstate.edu
> Computer Science Dept       www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj
> Appalachian State Univ
> Boone, NC  28608  USA        
> 
>  |Subject: Not Allowing Local Archive Access
>  |To: mailman-users at python.org
>  |Date: 29 Dec 2000 13:16:59 -0500
>  |
>  |I have a hunch I'm just being dense/stupid, but I'm not sure how to
>  |make (a least some) list archives unreadable on the 'Mailman' host.
>  |
>  |It appears everything under ~mailman has at least `--x' permissions
>  |for the world/others and many have 'r-x' or just 'r--'.
>  |
>  |What do I do to make certain list archives *unreadable* locally?
>  |
>  |Thanks,
>  |
>  |  -Kenneth
>  |
>  |
>  |Subject: Truly Private Archives
>  |To: mailman-users at python.org
>  |Date: 05 Feb 2001 23:15:34 -0500
>  |
>  |Anyone on the local 'Mailman' machine can -- with even a little
>  |knowledge of Mailman's directory structure and hosted mailing lists --
>  |simply 'cd' to one of the "archives" sub-dirs and "read away".
>  |
>  |What if the permissions of /usr/local/etc/mailman (~mailman) are set
>  |to:
>  |        drwxrws---  mailman  mailman
>  |
>  |
>  |instead of the current:
>  |
>  |        drwxrwsr-x  mailman  mailman      ?
>  |
>  |
>  |Will the *entire* Mailman system still work correctly?
>  |
>  |Thanks for your comments!
>  |
>  |  -Kenneth
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From daniel at yipyip.com  Fri Apr 27 23:36:21 2001
From: daniel at yipyip.com (Daniel Einspanjer)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My old mailing list is not working after installation on a new distro.
In-Reply-To: <3AE9E0F2.2221B37@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <E14tFvW-0005GZ-00@guardian.yipyip.com>

move_list did in fact fix my problem.

Some notes to anyone in the future running into problems with move_list, make sure you clear out any stale lock files before you run it.  It will just sit and wait for the locks to clear if you don't.

Daniel

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:13:22 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
Daniel Einspanjer wrote:

>?I think I found the problem. ?I didn't make a mailman user in my new installation, used my existing user "mail" and set up a /home/mail/ directory. ?Unfortunately, when doing a grep for "/home/mailman/", I see the the mailing list's config.db is still pointing to the old directory structure. ?Could anyone tell me how to update that?

??bin/move_list

??AMK4

--
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?| ?I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
?|____________________________________________________________________
?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
?Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>? ?. ? 303.442.6410 x130
?SysAdmin / Websmith ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . ? ? 800.441.3873 x130
?Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. ? ? ? ? ? ? . ? ? ? ?eFax 248.671.0909
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From barry at digicool.com  Fri Apr 27 23:38:09 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:38:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Prohibiting Local Access to Archives
References: <e66fq9h1j.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>
Message-ID: <15081.59073.505199.245893@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KJ" == Kenneth Jacker <khj at cs.appstate.edu> writes:

    KJ> Is there a way to prohibit local users (with some knowledge of
    KJ> Mailman's archive directory structure and naming conventions)
    KJ> from seeing the contents of archived files?

    KJ> I'd like to continue web-access to the archives for list
    KJ> members, but prohibit access to local users on the Mailman
    KJ> "host machine". The fact that ../mailman/archives/private/ has
    KJ> "drwxrws--x" permissions isn't sufficient.

That's because the world execute bit is still on for that subdir, so
they can cd into and look around to their hearts content.  Just go
ahead and turn that bit off (i.e. make the perms drwxrws---).

Make sure that the archives are set to private.  Also, anybody in the
mailman group will still have access to that directory, but you should
be controlling who's in that group pretty tightly anyway.

BTW, the default permissions for the dirs in archives/private probably
ought to be 02770 anyway.

-Barry



From pug at pug.net  Fri Apr 27 23:41:27 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:41:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Prohibiting Local Access to Archives
In-Reply-To: <15081.59073.505199.245893@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@digicool.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:38:09PM -0400
References: <e66fq9h1j.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> <15081.59073.505199.245893@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010427164127.A10608@stardock.pug.net>

Barry A. Warsaw (barry at digicool.com) said something that sounded like:
> That's because the world execute bit is still on for that subdir, so
> they can cd into and look around to their hearts content.  Just go
> ahead and turn that bit off (i.e. make the perms drwxrws---).

The other problem is that the files under it are readable by other. You
should be able to do a 'chmod -R o-r' on the directory to get rid of
that.

Ciao,

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From barry at digicool.com  Sat Apr 28 00:01:58 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:01:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Prohibiting Local Access to Archives
References: <e66fq9h1j.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>
	<15081.59073.505199.245893@anthem.wooz.org>
	<20010427164127.A10608@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <15081.60502.33294.12670@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "PB" == Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> writes:

    >> That's because the world execute bit is still on for that
    >> subdir, so they can cd into and look around to their hearts
    >> content.  Just go ahead and turn that bit off (i.e. make the
    >> perms drwxrws---).

    PB> The other problem is that the files under it are readable by
    PB> other. You should be able to do a 'chmod -R o-r' on the
    PB> directory to get rid of that.

Shouldn't be necessary, but it probably can't hurt.

-Barry



From mailman at howlingfrog.com  Sat Apr 28 00:19:32 2001
From: mailman at howlingfrog.com (Graham TerMarsch)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:19:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big problems with stale lockfiles on large list...
In-Reply-To: <009c01c0cf5b$3165c2a0$01000001@sgergo.hu>
References: <0104271309330S.08359@graham.localdomain> <009c01c0cf5b$3165c2a0$01000001@sgergo.hu>
Message-ID: <01042715193211.08359@graham.localdomain>

On Friday 27 April 2001 13:46, Gergo Soros wrote:
> > Running Mailman-2.0.1, with Python 1.5.2 on a RedHat 6.2 machine along
> > w/Apache-1.3.14 and Sendmail-8.11.0, and am having some serious grief
> > with stale lockfiles on one of our lists.  List contains ~60k
> > addresses on it, and has constant traffic to the WWW administration
> > pages.  Not high volume for sending msgs though (only one or two a
> > day) as its a
> > broadcast/announce list.
>
> We also experienced similar problems in the past with large lists. We
> found that if the admin is accessing the long and slow-loading members
> admin pages, and does not wait for the page to complete (e.g. clicks one
> of the admin links or hits refresh or stop) the lock will remain. As a
> temporary solution we have instructed our admins to wait for all pages
> to completely load, no stale locks since then. This is on a Cobalt RaQ4i
> (Redhat) with Apache 1.3x. Hope this helps,

Is probably related to what we're experiencing, but I'm finding that even 
just due to the volume of hits on the "subscribe" page, that we're having 
this problem.  While testing, I made sure that we had _no_ accesses to 
admin pages, and that all of the "subscribe" hits that were coming through 
waited for the complete response and didn't time out or have the "stop" 
button pressed.  Even in this scenario, I still ended up with stale locks 
lingering around.

>From the info that I'm seeing in the archives of this list, I'm getting 
the impression that the general response is "remove the stale lock files". 
 Although this might work in freeing up the WWW forms so that they can run 
again, it doesn't really seem to address the issue of _how_ the locks are 
ending up stale/lingering in the first place.  For now I'm able to go in 
and manually remove the locks, but at this point I'm doing this at least 
once an hour (if not more), and while its stalled I've got people trying 
to access the list that just can't get in (which isn't good).

Would it be correct to say that if the CGI process dies for some unforseen 
reason (e.g. Apache kills it off because the user pressed the "stop" 
button or the HTTP connection timed out), that the lock from that process 
gets left around as a lingering lock?

-- 
Graham TerMarsch



From wfpl at satyam.net.in  Sat Apr 28 11:17:07 2001
From: wfpl at satyam.net.in (winfocus)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:47:07 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash your cost by outsourcing
Message-ID: <000b01c0cfc8$f2345a60$c901a8c0@winfocusujjain.net>

 
Sir,
 
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From bvo at atz.nl  Sat Apr 28 12:21:54 2001
From: bvo at atz.nl (B. van Ouwerkerk)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:21:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash your cost by outsourcing
In-Reply-To: <000b01c0cfc8$f2345a60$c901a8c0@winfocusujjain.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010428121811.00c55ee0@pop.atz-hosting.nl>

>Sir,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = 
>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>
>We are glad to introduce ourselves as a company capable of :-
>
>Handling web based emails for companies ensuring quick response to email 
>queries.

Sure.. using M$ Word and a macro ;-)

I remember a discussion about limit postings to members only.. Perhaps now 
is a good time..

Bye,

B.




From mac at babel.fysh.org  Sat Apr 28 13:25:53 2001
From: mac at babel.fysh.org (Mike Crowe)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:25:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "could not acquire qrunner lock", etc
In-Reply-To: <20010425112429.A2698@babel.fysh.org>; from mac@babel.fysh.org on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:24:29AM +0100
References: <20010424123006.A11710@babel.fysh.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104240827110.28345-100000@mail.pirk.com> <20010425112429.A2698@babel.fysh.org>
Message-ID: <20010428122553.A14496@babel.fysh.org>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:24:29AM +0100, I wrote:
> In any case, if the MTA was the problem I wouldn't have expected the
> qrunner process to be using lots of CPU - surely it would just be blocked
> consuming nothing?

I've done some further investigation myself by inserting syslog statements
deep into the code until I could find the bit that is "hanging".

When qrunner starts it processed a few toadmin and tolist jobs fine. It is
getting stuck on torequest jobs.

It turns out that someone had sent a huge MIME encoded attachment to the
-request address. It got stuck inside MailCommandHandler::ParseMailCommands
between the arrows appending the complete junk to the response email. I've
commented out the loop since it probably isn't all that beneficial
anyway. Maybe it would be a good idea to set an arbitrary limit on the
number of lines that will be appended to avoid this problem happening?
Alternatively, maybe messages longer than a certain number of lines should
not even be processed? In its current form it acts as quite a good DoS on a
mailman list.

            if not self.__dispatch.has_key(cmd): 
                self.AddError(line, prefix='Command? ') 
                if self.__errors >= MAXERRORS: 
                    self.AddError('\nToo many errors encountered; ' 
                                  'the rest of the message is ignored:') 
--->
                    for line in lines[linecount+1:]: 
                        self.AddToResponse(line, trunc=0, prefix='> ') 
<---

                    break 

I hope my understanding of this problem is correct and the above
information is useful. I don't think I've got to the bottom of the CPU
usage problem, but this was certainly part of it.

-- 
Mike Crowe <mac at fysh.org>



From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Sat Apr 28 19:58:33 2001
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:58:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-checkins list config?
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010428103824.00b19bd0@pop.mindspring.com>

What settings are you using for the mailman-checkins list? I'm trying to 
duplicate your results for our project's cvs-commits list. Any help is 
appreciated. Thanks.

Background:
I'm using syncmail (v3.1.5 by Barry Warsaw) for our project's cvs-commits 
list. I'll update to v3.1.6 later today. I followed the SourceForge 
documentation to set it up, but it doesn't have any information on the 
proper settings for Mailman. Should I take this up with the SourceForge 
staff instead?

Getting email from CVS
https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=772&group_id=1

--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/




From mrbill at mrbill.net  Sat Apr 28 21:15:24 2001
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:15:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dumping emails based on subject rather than holding them?
Message-ID: <20010428141524.V291@mrbill.net>

I host a list (sunmanagers) where direct replies to the list are
not permitted - only initial question posts, and then summary
posts with answers.  So, every 3-4 days, even though reply-to
is set to the original poster, I have to go in and delete 20-30
Re: messages through the admin interface.

Is there a way to have Mailman just *dump* these, instead of holding
them for review?  Would make life a lot simpler...

Bill

-- 
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX



From mac at babel.fysh.org  Sat Apr 28 22:09:38 2001
From: mac at babel.fysh.org (Mike Crowe)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:09:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "could not acquire qrunner lock", etc (partially solved)
In-Reply-To: <20010428122553.A14496@babel.fysh.org>; from mac@babel.fysh.org on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 12:25:53PM +0100
References: <20010424123006.A11710@babel.fysh.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104240827110.28345-100000@mail.pirk.com> <20010425112429.A2698@babel.fysh.org> <20010428122553.A14496@babel.fysh.org>
Message-ID: <20010428210938.A25749@babel.fysh.org>

Continuing the bad netiquette of replying to myself...

On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 12:25:53PM +0100, I wrote:
> I hope my understanding of this problem is correct and the above
> information is useful. I don't think I've got to the bottom of the CPU
> usage problem, but this was certainly part of it.

I've discovered the cause of the CPU usage problem. I had ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX
set to the default of 2. It appears that the archiver eats an awful lot of
processor power - so much that the backlog caused by the earlier bug was
taking ages to clear. The qrunner would sit in the second part of
ToArchive::process for around fifteen minutes whilst holding onto the list
lock which stopped the web interface from working.

Once I discovered that's where the problem was I set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX to 1
and suddenly huge amounts of email that had been delayed for nearly a week
started flooding through.

So, in summary, a P133 with 96Mb of RAM is not up to running even a
relatively low volume list (50 messages per day) when ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX is
set to 2. :-)

-- 
Mike Crowe <mac at fysh.org>



From piscis at coqui.net  Sun Apr 29 05:37:20 2001
From: piscis at coqui.net (Joe)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:37:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hola
Message-ID: <000d01c0d05d$b5234f60$74372ac4@user>

Buenas noches 
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From ab at c18.org  Sun Apr 29 15:49:20 2001
From: ab at c18.org (Andrew Brown)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:49:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers
In-Reply-To: <3ADC20F3.E1FBD3CB@uma.es>
References: <a05010473b6fb21cb4b4e@[192.168.1.102]>
 <3ADC20F3.E1FBD3CB@uma.es>
Message-ID: <a05010427b711cabdae0e@[192.168.1.102]>

We are using our ISP's copy of Mailman. Each message includes several 
headers we would like to remove -- can this be done by individual 
list managers? If not, is there any reason we should not run our own 
copy of Mailman?

AB




From ab at c18.org  Sun Apr 29 15:49:22 2001
From: ab at c18.org (Andrew Brown)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:49:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/unsubscribe interface
Message-ID: <a05010428b711cba8e563@[192.168.1.102]>

We are looking for a web interface that will allow people to see a 
list of all the groups we provide and to subscribe/unsubscribe to any 
or all of them. Is this possible with Mailman? If not, does anyone 
know of an alternative (free or paid) that offers this option?

AB



From alex at phred.org  Sun Apr 29 17:09:42 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 08:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/unsubscribe interface
In-Reply-To: <a05010428b711cba8e563@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <20010429080904.V29395-100000@phred.org>

On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Andrew Brown wrote:
> We are looking for a web interface that will allow people to see a
> list of all the groups we provide and to subscribe/unsubscribe to any
> or all of them. Is this possible with Mailman? If not, does anyone
> know of an alternative (free or paid) that offers this option?

Something like: http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo ?

That is default functionality.

alex




From ab at c18.org  Sun Apr 29 19:14:31 2001
From: ab at c18.org (Andrew Brown)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:14:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/unsubscribe interface
In-Reply-To: <20010429080904.V29395-100000@phred.org>
References: <20010429080904.V29395-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <a05010401b711fc068e7c@[192.168.1.102]>

At 8:09 -0700 29/04/01, alex wetmore wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Andrew Brown wrote:
>>  We are looking for a web interface that will allow people to see a
>>  list of all the groups we provide and to subscribe/unsubscribe to any
>>  or all of them. Is this possible with Mailman? If not, does anyone
>>  know of an alternative (free or paid) that offers this option?
>
>Something like: http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo ?
>
>That is default functionality.
>
>alex

Not exactly. We'd like a screen listing all the lists with subscribe 
and unsubscribe radio buttons beside each. Lists to which the user 
was already subscribed to be differentiated in some way.

A.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Apr 29 19:46:11 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:46:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/unsubscribe interface 
In-Reply-To: Message from Andrew Brown <ab@c18.org> 
   of "Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:14:31 BST." <a05010401b711fc068e7c@[192.168.1.102]> 
References: <20010429080904.V29395-100000@phred.org>  <a05010401b711fc068e7c@[192.168.1.102]> 
Message-ID: <6864.988566371@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:14:31 +0100 
Andrew Brown <ab at c18.org> wrote:

> Not exactly. We'd like a screen listing all the lists with
> subscribe and unsubscribe radio buttons beside each. Lists to
> which the user was already subscribed to be differentiated in some
> way.

Seems like a CGI that walked ~mailman/lists/*/config.db looking for
public lists under the appropriate VHost followed by sending a
subscribe email to every checked radio button would be fairly
trivial to write.  Shouldn't take you more than a couple hours.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From dwmw2 at infradead.org  Mon Apr 30 14:33:30 2001
From: dwmw2 at infradead.org (David Woodhouse)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:33:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail missing from archives.                            [Mailman-Users]
Message-ID: <11404.988634010@redhat.com>

I'm trying to move couple of old majordomo lists over to Mailman, and I'd
like to copy across the archives too.

The lists I'm trying to convert are (now) 
	http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-mtd
and	http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-mtd-cvs


Unfortunately, I cannot persuade Mailman to produce archives for the old 
messages correctly - many of the original mails are missing from the 
archive produced.

I have a copy of the archives of the original list in mbox format. I have 
tried piping each mail individually through 'post linux-mtd' with formail, 
and I've tried just dumping the mbox file in 
$prefix/archives/private/linux-mtd.mbox/linux-mtd.mbox and running 
'arch linux-mtd'

Whatever I do, only some of the mails appear in the archive. See
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/ - the 'full raw archive' 
contains all the mail it's supposed to, but the individual months' archives 
are extremely sparse.

The host is a Red Hat 7.1 box, with the included version of Mailman - 
'mailman-2.0.1-2'. Python '1.5.2-30' is installed.

Am I doing something wrong, or is this a bug in in the archival code?

--
dwmw2





From jason-dated-989343315.81ddf3 at mastaler.com  Mon Apr 30 19:35:14 2001
From: jason-dated-989343315.81ddf3 at mastaler.com (Jason R. Mastaler)
Date: 30 Apr 2001 11:35:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] empty archive messages from "bogus@does.not.exist.com"
Message-ID: <m3hez6b8a5.fsf@nightshade.acl.lanl.gov>

My Mailman list archives are being populated by lots of empty messages
that look like this:

  From: bogus at does.not.exist.com ()
  Date: Mon Apr 30 11:55:01 2001
  Subject: No subject

They started showing up around the time I started using "preline"
before calling "wrapper" in response to this FAQ entry:

  Q. Still having problems? Running QMail?
  A. Make sure that you are using "preline" before calling "wrapper": 

  |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname 

  "preline" adds a Unix-style "From " header which the archiver
  requires. 

So is the FAQ just outdated, or is this a new Mailman bug?

-- 
(TMDA - http://tmda.sourceforge.net)
(Python-based SPAM reduction system)



From gaston at esc.edu.ar  Mon Apr 30 20:31:59 2001
From: gaston at esc.edu.ar (Gaston Franco)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:31:59 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] international version of mailman
Message-ID: <3AEDAF9F.E7FC550D@esc.edu.ar>

Hi! 
We've been waiting for more than a year for the international version of 
Mailman.... is there any chance that it?ll be realeased soon? 
I know that there?s some support in 2.1 alpha version, but i?d like a final release.

Thanks in advance



From wangmier at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 21:02:20 2001
From: wangmier at hotmail.com (Ivy Wang)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:02:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error, message
Message-ID: <F77dutox7nyeKzGZuNY00004def@hotmail.com>

I setup a maiman list. But when I try to send message to it, I got:

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

			The Postfix program

<testinglist at abc.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testinglist". Command output: Failure 
to
    exec script. WANTED gid 556, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

when I reconfigure it with-mail-gid=556, it will tell me :

<testinglist at abc.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testinglist". Command output: Failure 
to
    exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 556.  (Reconfigure to take 556?)

I'm really confused. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

NEWUSER
_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.




From don at comm.episcopal-ks.org  Mon Apr 30 21:17:51 2001
From: don at comm.episcopal-ks.org (System Admin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:17:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010430141653.024012b0@mail.stopks.org>

Is there a method to get rid of all the helpful headers sent on each 
message.  With tiny lists, it takes up a great deal of room.


Don




From louiza at home.com  Mon Apr 30 21:31:32 2001
From: louiza at home.com (Louiza)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:31:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing mail
In-Reply-To: <E14l5Wo-0000t4-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E14l5Wo-0000t4-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <p050019d7b7136306a6c1@[24.1.196.249]>

Hello,

I am a new user of Mailman and have never used software like this for 
my lists, as my only experience has been using OneList and eGroups. 
So please forgive my questions, if they seem too elementary. <g>

I have three questions at the moment:

1. It's only been a week since I set up my former eGroups list with 
Mailman on my server, and some members are experiencing missing 
posts. I haven't a clue what to look for to solve this problem, other 
than checking their subscription settings, of course, and dealing 
with any bounce notices (which have been scarce). Is there something 
else that I can do?

2. Is there any way that I can set up a search engine for the 
Archives, so that members can search them for specific subjects or 
authors?

3. Is there any way to shorten the length of the URL to the list's 
information page?

Thanks for your help,

Louiza




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From carol at dpd1.com  Mon Apr 30 23:16:27 2001
From: carol at dpd1.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:16:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the meaning of "implicit destination"
Message-ID: <3AEDD62B.F59F10F5@dpd1.com>

I have set "No" to this option: Check postings and intercept ones that
seem to be administrative requests.
When I post to my list (called Testlist) I get the following message.

        Your mail to 'Testlist' with the subject
            test no. 5
        Is being held until the list moderator can review it for
approval.
        The reason it is being held:
            Message has implicit destination
        Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will
receive
        notification of the moderator's decision.

As moderator, I do not want to approve every message.  How do I stop
it?  And what is meant by "implicit destination?"  I am an
administrator, not the tech person.  Mailman was installed by
123ehost.com, my hosting company.




From mvega at pa.inter.net  Thu Apr 19 17:04:31 2001
From: mvega at pa.inter.net (Moises D. Vega)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:04:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error.
Message-ID: <004f01c0c8e2$0b530c50$890a0ac0@hubble>

   Hello I have configured all the tghings that exim tells me to:
 
And configured the Mail man also.
 
I have the following errors on the exim_mainlog:
 
2002-04-19 11:01:58 16yaph-00047B-00 <= mvega at pa.inter.net
H=clueponbook.nasc.inter.net (app4.nasc.inter.net) [203.176.60.253]
P=esmtp S=1327 id=004a01c0c8e0$9d9a79b0$890a0ac0 at hubble
2002-04-19 11:01:59 16yaph-00047B-00 ** inter.pa at mipagina.com
D=list_director T=list_transport: Child process of list_transport
transport returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
2002-04-19 11:02:01 16yapj-00047G-00 <= <> R=16yaph-00047B-00 U=root
P=local S=2183
2002-04-19 11:02:01 16yaph-00047B-00 Error message sent to
mvega at pa.inter.net
2002-04-19 11:02:02 16yaph-00047B-00 Completed
2002-04-19 11:02:04 16yapj-00047G-00 => mvega at pa.inter.net R=lookuphost
T=remote_smtp H=bm.nasc.inter.net [203.176.60.83]
2002-04-19 11:02:05 16yapj-00047G-00 Completed
 
 
Can you please help on this.
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