From frost at packetst0rm.net Sat Dec 1 15:20:50 2001 From: frost at packetst0rm.net (Michael Kummer) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:20:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] crond forks and forks and ... Message-ID: hi! 3123 mailman 9 0 644 644 596 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 crond 5256 mailman 9 0 644 644 596 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 crond 15951 mailman 9 0 644 644 596 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 crond 30639 mailman 9 0 644 644 596 S 0.0 0.5 0:00 crond thats the current output of top filtering user mailman and the number of processes grows and grows until the system freezes because of a 'forkbomb' i'm running latest stable mailman and slackware 8 an suggestions? best regards Michael Kummer --- Web: http://www.sprinter-sbg.at | Email: michael at kummer.cc Lieferinger-Hauptstrasse 47 / B4 | A - 5020 Salzburg Mobil: +43 664 3333995 | Tel: +43 662 825355 11 From MLynn at exchange.ml.com Sat Dec 1 16:24:06 2001 From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS)) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:24:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending_subscriptions.db Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A15101EFEB@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> Greetings. I implemented Mailman yesterday and had some problems with Sendmail config. I believe I have resolved those problems and how I have a large pending_subscriptions.db file - My question(s): Will these pending subscriptions be tended to automatically by Mailman? Is there anyway I can goose this a bit? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. ADVthanksANCE, Mike From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Dec 1 17:01:30 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:01:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending_subscriptions.db In-Reply-To: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A15101EFEB@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> References: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A15101EFEB@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> Message-ID: <01120111013000.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> You should be able to use the web-admin interface to clean out the pending subscriptions for a list. Look for the option: Tend to pending administrative requests >From there, do a whole lot of deny-ing or whatever... You can use the command line to see what is in the file by using the command: ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db Jon === On Saturday 01 December 2001 10:24, Lynn, Michael (DCS) wrote: > Greetings. > > I implemented Mailman yesterday and had some problems with Sendmail > config. I believe I have resolved those problems and how I have a large > pending_subscriptions.db file - My question(s): > > Will these pending subscriptions be tended to automatically by Mailman? > > Is there anyway I can goose this a bit? > > Any assistance is greatly appreciated. > > ADVthanksANCE, > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From MLynn at exchange.ml.com Sat Dec 1 17:06:09 2001 From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS)) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:06:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending_subscriptions.db Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A15101EFED@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> Thanks for quick response... I have tried the Web interface link - however, it tells me that there are no pending requests. Ideas? -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:02 AM To: Lynn, Michael (DCS); mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Pending_subscriptions.db You should be able to use the web-admin interface to clean out the pending subscriptions for a list. Look for the option: Tend to pending administrative requests >From there, do a whole lot of deny-ing or whatever... You can use the command line to see what is in the file by using the command: ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db Jon === On Saturday 01 December 2001 10:24, Lynn, Michael (DCS) wrote: > Greetings. > > I implemented Mailman yesterday and had some problems with Sendmail > config. I believe I have resolved those problems and how I have a large > pending_subscriptions.db file - My question(s): > > Will these pending subscriptions be tended to automatically by Mailman? > > Is there anyway I can goose this a bit? > > Any assistance is greatly appreciated. > > ADVthanksANCE, > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From nollaig at amhuinnsuidhe.cx Sat Dec 1 17:31:37 2001 From: nollaig at amhuinnsuidhe.cx (Nollaig MacKenzie) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:31:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using logrotate on /home/mailman/logs/* Message-ID: <20011201113137.B10755@amhuinnsuidhe.cx> Will I get in any trouble if I use logrotate on the files in /home/mailman/logs? TIA, N. -- Nollaig MacKenzie http://www.amhuinnsuidhe.cx From antarix_ at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 18:00:35 2001 From: antarix_ at yahoo.com (martinez cesar) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:00:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] i have a problrem... Message-ID: <20011201170035.19894.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> I have a problem whit a mailing list, when i try to send an e-mail to the list "others" for example from mi at list.others.org.edu it isn?t recognized by the list and send to the moderator and the list doesn?t include a moderator, when i include the member mi at list.others.org.edu to the mailing list it?s the same result...so what can i do... ===== ?Somos polvo de estrellas y alg?n d?a a ellas regresaremos, convirtiendonos en parte de su brillo, habiendo alguien que al verlas nos recuerde...!antarix_ at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From moseleymm at hank.org Sat Dec 1 18:24:31 2001 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:24:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] sendmail -> (Postfix|qmail) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011201092431.024c1364@pop3.hank.org> Please respond to me directly instead of the list -- I don't want any religious wars started! What I'm asking for is some comments or things to watch out for when converting from sendmail to either Postfix or qmail, and (more on topic) how to manage that in a smooth way with regard to Mailman. Pointers to any docs that you found very helpful in the transition would be just great. These changes seem to eat up a lot of time, so anything that might save me some trouble will be really appreciated. My current setup is rather simple, but I do have some requirements -- so I'm also very interested in comments regarding postfix vs qmail matching up the best for my needs: This is on Linux. I do virtual hosting so I use a virtusertable to route all mail to a given email address or to a given user. It's important that I add something like the X-Envelope-To: header (sendmail faq 3.29 IIRC) so people can run procmail or some such program yet still see the envelope of message of mail delivered into their account (for their domain(s)). Also, some domains have extra pop3 accounts where some mail goes to some users, and all other mail defaults to another user -- normal virtusertable setup. I'm leaning toward qmail, probably because it "feels" more geeky, what ever that means... Finally, and this a bit more on topic, and might be worth discussing on the list, has anyone written up a nice comparison of ezmlm and Mailman? I guess the best it to install qmail and give it a try, but anything that might save some time, or might not be obvious from brief testing would be helpful. I lik Mailman a lot (but I'm worried it might make this old Perl programmer have to learn Python ;). Thanks, Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From justin at iago.org Sat Dec 1 19:20:42 2001 From: justin at iago.org (Justin Sheehy) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] thttpd In-Reply-To: (Justin Sheehy's message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:29:36 -0400") References: <15163.23365.603521.747806@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: Several months ago I sent mail to mailman-users when I was trying to figure out how to get Mailman to run under thttpd. I figured it out fairly quickly, but forgot to post the answer back here. I'm doing so now, for the benefit of others who might want to run Mailman on thttpd. I copied the cgi-bin directory from Mailman's install directory into a "mailman" subdirectory of the thttpd data directory. This could be done with symlinks, but then you'd have to turn off some of thttpd's useful security checks. Then, I added this entry to the thttpd configuration file: cgipat=/mailman/** The double-asterisk is important. Without it, thttpd will not process CGI requests of the sort that Mailman expects. That's all. Mailman has been running flawlessly for me under thttpd for over four months now. -Justin From claw at kanga.nu Sat Dec 1 20:30:11 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:30:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using logrotate on /home/mailman/logs/* In-Reply-To: Message from Nollaig MacKenzie of "Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:31:37 EST." <20011201113137.B10755@amhuinnsuidhe.cx> References: <20011201113137.B10755@amhuinnsuidhe.cx> Message-ID: <26858.1007235011@kanga.nu> On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:31:37 -0500 Nollaig MacKenzie wrote: > Will I get in any trouble if I use logrotate on the files in > /home/mailman/logs? No. FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.007.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Sat Dec 1 20:33:49 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:33:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] thttpd In-Reply-To: Message from Justin Sheehy of "Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:20:42 EST." References: <15163.23365.603521.747806@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <26921.1007235229@kanga.nu> On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:20:42 -0500 Justin Sheehy wrote: > Several months ago I sent mail to mailman-users when I was trying > to figure out how to get Mailman to run under thttpd. Good stuff. Added to the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.014.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Sun Dec 2 00:29:01 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:29:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for maillist, namazu for search In-Reply-To: Message from Philip S Tellis of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:13:40 +0530." References: Message-ID: <31119.1007249341@kanga.nu> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:13:40 +0530 (IST) Philip S Tellis wrote: > Namazu FAQ'ed: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.008.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From cipher at eschatek.com Sun Dec 2 02:07:21 2001 From: cipher at eschatek.com (J B Bell) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:07:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad dating of cron mailings? Message-ID: <3C097EC9.1040207@eschatek.com> Mailman is suffering some brain damage all of a sudden. I've not changed my version of Python nor anything like that, though I have fiddled with my kernel in ways that presumably should not affect this. Other cron-inspired mailings are getting through with a normal date. All my Mailman automated mailings are coming up with the date 12/31/69. Any ideas what this weirdness is? A look through the archives doesn't turn anything up. I'm using Mailman 2.0.5 on FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, with Python 2.1.1. --JB From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Dec 2 02:34:14 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:34:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using logrotate on /home/mailman/logs/* In-Reply-To: <20011201113137.B10755@amhuinnsuidhe.cx> References: <20011201113137.B10755@amhuinnsuidhe.cx> Message-ID: <01120120341401.01085@anncons.nc.rr.com> On Saturday 01 December 2001 11:31, Nollaig MacKenzie wrote: > Will I get in any trouble if I use > logrotate on the files in /home/mailman/logs? > > TIA, N. The FAQ is excellent in pointing out that each file must be specified directly in order for log-rotate to work properly. Personally I use the following script: === #!/bin/bash # Script to rotate Mailman logs, this script should be run weekly - sometime # when the list activity is low. # It mails the top 100 lines of each log file and then rotates the log file # to a file of the same name with .1 appended # This can be extended to multipule weeks. # 11-6-2001 Jon Carnes # echo "Mailman logs:" echo " [Salsa] /home/mailman/logs/..." echo " The logs should be checked weekly" echo " " #echo "============" LOG_DIR="/home/mailman/logs" MM_LOGS="qrunner error bounce smtp-failure vette \ subscribe smtp post digest fromusenet" ls -l $LOG_DIR |grep -v "\.1" |cut -c36- for i in $MM_LOGS do if [ -s $LOG_DIR/$i ] then echo " " echo " ====== " $i " ======" head -100 /home/mailman/logs/$i mv $LOG_DIR/$i $LOG_DIR/$i.1 touch $LOG_DIR/$i chown mailman.mailman $LOG_DIR/$i chmod 0664 $LOG_DIR/* fi done === The advantage is that it mails the logs to me weekly (just the top 100 lines from each). So I can kind of keep an eye on things. It also keeps a backup of up to 2 weeks worth of log files. I do wish that Mailman would install a file into /etc/cron.weekly to autorotate the files. Jon From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Sun Dec 2 17:44:38 2001 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:44:38 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return Path (envelope sender) in the monthly mailing list memberships reminder. Message-ID: <0112021644383E.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> We are using MM 2.07. I realized that the return path of the monthly rmailing list memberships reminders, for all our MM lists, points to the listadmin address of our information list ("dvz-info-admin"). I see that this is true for such lists like "exim-users". My monthly mailing list memberships reminder from the "exim-users" list (for example) points to "exim-announce-admin at exim.org" instead of "exim-users-admin at exim.org" ? What is the reason for this ? - oliver From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Dec 3 01:52:52 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:52:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return Path (envelope sender) in the monthly mailing list memberships reminder. In-Reply-To: <0112021644383E.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <0112021644383E.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: At 16:44 +0000 12/2/2001, Oliver Egginger wrote: >We are using MM 2.07. >I realized that the return path of the monthly rmailing list memberships >reminders, >for all our MM lists, points to the listadmin address of our information list > ("dvz-info-admin"). > >I see that this is true for such lists like "exim-users". >My monthly mailing list memberships reminder from the "exim-users" list >(for example) >points to "exim-announce-admin at exim.org" instead of >"exim-users-admin at exim.org" ? > >What is the reason for this ? Broken design concept (ALTIHISI = at least that is how I see it). Fixed in 2.1. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From benny at bennyvision.com Mon Dec 3 05:36:41 2001 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:36:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman refusing to send remote emails. Message-ID: Hey folks, I've run Mailman previously, and had not run into this problem. Pertinant info: Mailman v2.0.8 OpenBSD 2.8 (stable) QMail 1.03 + badmailfrom patch I compiled it from source, setting --with-mail-gid and --with-cgi-gid appropriately. The web interface works flawlessly, as does the subscribe/unsubscribe/mail me my password/change password/etc functions via the web, _as long as I specify a local address on the same machine_. If I try to subscribe a user with a remote email address, Mailman doesn't even attempt to send out a confirmation email (I'm watching the server's maillog). I see nothing in ~mailman/qfiles, nothing weird in any file in ~mailman/logs/*, and all that I can see that looks remotely strange is that all remote addresses show up in ~mailman/logs/subscribe as "pending". It almost appears that Mailman is unable to relay from localhost, but I've configured QMail to allow it, and mail from the local machine works fine. This server also receives several hundred emails a day from remote, so I don't think it's a problem with the general QMail setup. Many of these mails are not delivered locally, so I don't think it's a problem with QMail not wanting to deliver to remote sites. I am more than willing to provide further information, I just need to know what information would be helpful. Any assistance with this would be very much appreciated. :) Thanks in advance! Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The onions are irritating my buttocks." - Sluggy Freelance 10-12-1998 From tobias.axelsson at adm.vxu.se Sun Dec 2 00:24:01 2001 From: tobias.axelsson at adm.vxu.se (Tobias Axelsson) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:24:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Release 2.1 Message-ID: <009e01c17abf$428d6730$69692fc2@tax> Hi! When is the release 2.1 of mailman planed? Thanks in advice Tobias Axelsson ----------------------------------------------- tobias axelsson, unix administrator it department, v?xj? university e-mail: tobias.axelsson at adm.vxu.se phone: +46 470 708940 celluar: +46 708 901063 fax: +46 470 708916 postal address: SE-351 95 v?xj? visiting address: pelarplatsen 5 ----------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Breslauer Str.25 - 42859 Remscheid Tel: 02191 - 34 00 64 Fax: 02191 - 93 16 37 http://fsub.schule.de --------------------- ---------------------- "Informationelle Monokultur zerst?rt Individualit?t und Evolution" ------------------------------------------------------------------ From troyconnor at tntwebservices.com Sun Dec 2 23:14:14 2001 From: troyconnor at tntwebservices.com (Troy Connor) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pulling out my hair on this thing Message-ID: <001d01c17b7e$af8fb0d0$0c25c043@2s1ss01> Good Morning I have just transferred over to lunar pages.com and am using your mailing list product or at least attempting to use it I can't seem to find any information on it Is it a mailing list taker If so where is the address that one uses I think mine is at newsletter at tacoprez.lunarpages.com at least that's what I call the darned thing Is it also an html emailer ? If so where is the send page and how do I get to the section to add the content ? I was in the control panel and figured out some of the stuff I even sent myself a test email the test worked and the general information page looks like this http://pluto.lunarpages.com/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_tacoprez.lunarpa ges.com also I tried to use frontpage to create some html code for this letter but when I used tables I got a huge space above the banner Please help Warmest Regards, Troy A. Connor Sr President & CEO TNT Web Services International (" Giving you the Web Presence you Deserve ") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011202/ea896e5c/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 2074 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011202/ea896e5c/attachment.gif From nbensa at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 11:17:53 2001 From: nbensa at yahoo.com (Norberto Bensa) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:17:53 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] read-only list? Message-ID: <001501c17be3$c5c99680$0200000a@home> Is posible to configure a list to be read-only (no posting allowed)? TIA, Norberto From nollaig at amhuinnsuidhe.cx Mon Dec 3 13:30:21 2001 From: nollaig at amhuinnsuidhe.cx (Nollaig MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:30:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] read-only list? In-Reply-To: <001501c17be3$c5c99680$0200000a@home>; from nbensa@yahoo.com on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 07:17:53AM -0300 References: <001501c17be3$c5c99680$0200000a@home> Message-ID: <20011203073021.A25590@amhuinnsuidhe.cx> On 2001.12.03 07:17:53, you, the extraordinary Norberto Bensa, opined: > Is posible to configure a list to be read-only (no posting allowed)? > ----------------------------------- : # Use this option if you want to restrict posting to list members. If # you want list members to be able to post, plus a handful of other # posters, see the posters setting below # # legal values are: # 0 = "No" # 1 = "Yes" member_posting_only = 1 # Adding entries here will have one of two effects, according to whether # another option restricts posting to members.
  • If # member_posting_only is 'yes', then entries added here will have # posting privilege in addition to list members.
  • If # member_posting_only is 'no', then only the posters # listed here will be able to post without admin approval.
posters = [] ----------------------------------- This seems to mean that if you set: member_posting_only = 0 posters = ['nbensa at yahoo.com'] only you could post to the list. I don't know how you could prevent notification being sent to you when others tried to post. Cheers, N. -- Nollaig MacKenzie http://www.amhuinnsuidhe.cx From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 3 16:13:49 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad dating of cron mailings? In-Reply-To: <3C097EC9.1040207@eschatek.com> References: <3C097EC9.1040207@eschatek.com> Message-ID: <20011203101349.A1367@mems-exchange.org> On 01 December 2001, J B Bell said: > Mailman is suffering some brain damage all of a sudden. I've not > changed my version of Python nor anything like that, though I have > fiddled with my kernel in ways that presumably should not affect this. > Other cron-inspired mailings are getting through with a normal date. What MTA are you using? > All my Mailman automated mailings are coming up with the date > 12/31/69. By "automated mailings", I presume you mean things like password reminders, and *not* regular list posts. Correct? And by "date", I presume you mean the "Date:" header, *not* the other dates in an RFC822 header (eg. in Received headers or the "From " line). Correct? If so, one idea that occurs to me: perhaps Mailman doesn't add its own Date headers, and relies on the MTA to do so. (This would be kind of sloppy on Mailman's part, though.) What happens if you do something like this: $ telnet localhost 25 EHLO localhost MAIL FROM: RCTP TO: DATA Subject: test (no date header) hello . QUIT Your MTA should add a "Date" header (I don't know if this is mandated by any RFC, but most MTAs seem to do it to workaround stupid SMTP clients). What's in that header? And, of course, what does the "date" command show? Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From john_k at gennum.com Mon Dec 3 16:26:13 2001 From: john_k at gennum.com (John Kostash) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:26:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail-News Gateway References: <001501c17be3$c5c99680$0200000a@home> <20011203073021.A25590@amhuinnsuidhe.cx> Message-ID: <3C0B9995.17492E33@gennum.com> Is it possible to get mailman to gateway to a newsgroup that requires a login username and password? I am using mailman as a pipe from an E-mail alias to a news server to give the alias some "memory". The alias is used for posting resumes from our web site, so I have the newsgroup restricted to our HR people. Thanks. John Kostash Gennum Corp. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not really willing to recompile, but the archive of the mailing-list said so, so I did before posting. Anyone knows how to fix my problem? Thanks From rob at film.calarts.edu Mon Dec 3 18:45:59 2001 From: rob at film.calarts.edu (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:45:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing html for archive index page Message-ID: <20011203094559.C5900@emsh.calarts.edu> I'd like to edit the html for the leading archive index page, the one under .../pipermail// ..can someone tell me how? thank you. -- Rob Lingelbach http://www.alegria.com System Administrator rob at film.calarts.edu Computer Animation Lab rob at alegria.com California Institute of the Arts kb6cun From traylen at ccdc.cam.ac.uk Mon Dec 3 18:58:59 2001 From: traylen at ccdc.cam.ac.uk (Steve Traylen) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:58:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] private script behaveing oddly Message-ID: If I make one of my archives private then quite correctly I am asked to authenticate myself. After successful authentication I am offered View By date, author, subject, etc. Clicking any of these returns me to the authentication page again and so in an endless loop. I never get to see the actuall archives. The archive definetley contains a message and theres nothing in the apache error logs. Any Ideas. -- Steve Traylen, Systems Engineer http://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/ From lac at strakt.com Mon Dec 3 19:21:07 2001 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:21:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Every time certain microsoft programs find a virus Message-ID: <200112031821.fB3IL7bD014418@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> they feel morally obligated to communicate the fact to everybody on your mailing list. Pretty soon you have more mail about the virus than whatever your list is for. Does anybody have a way to prevent these messages from poluting your list? Thanks very much, Laura Creighton From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 3 19:49:00 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:49:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Every time certain microsoft programs find a virus In-Reply-To: <200112031821.fB3IL7bD014418@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <200112031821.fB3IL7bD014418@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20011203134900.A2640@mems-exchange.org> On 03 December 2001, Laura Creighton said: > they feel morally obligated to communicate the fact to everybody on > your mailing list. Pretty soon you have more mail about the virus > than whatever your list is for. Does anybody have a way to > prevent these messages from poluting your list? Sounds like some list members have broken autoresponders (or their sites have broken autoresponders). (The fact that they are virus-detecting autoresponders is not really relevant.) The usual answer to "What can I do about broken autoresponders" is "Not much". Well, you can disable the subscription of users with broken autoresponders. For politeness, you should probably send them a note that you are doing so, cc'd to the postmaster of their domain. Hmmm, I think I'll add a FAQ entry for this... Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From ptomblin at xcski.com Mon Dec 3 20:15:39 2001 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:15:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Every time certain microsoft programs find a virus In-Reply-To: <20011203134900.A2640@mems-exchange.org>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 01:49:00PM -0500 References: <200112031821.fB3IL7bD014418@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20011203134900.A2640@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <20011203141539.B4204@allhats.xcski.com> Quoting Greg Ward (gward at mems-exchange.org): > On 03 December 2001, Laura Creighton said: > > they feel morally obligated to communicate the fact to everybody on > > your mailing list. Pretty soon you have more mail about the virus > Sounds like some list members have broken autoresponders (or their sites > have broken autoresponders). (The fact that they are virus-detecting Note that this is probably more of a danger with lists that set the reply-to back to the list. Personally, I much prefer to set up my lists that way, and I've had very few broken autoresponders, but when I do I handle them the way Greg says. Also, I run a lot of my lists through a procmail spam filter before sending them on to wrapper, so I can catch them with that if I want to. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody QUOTE OF THE DAY: ` From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 3 20:16:42 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New FAQ entry: broken autoresponders Message-ID: <20011203141642.A2745@mems-exchange.org> 3.6. What can I do about users with broken autoresponders? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.006.htp From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 3 20:20:10 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:20:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.6: open failed: No such file or directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011203142010.B2745@mems-exchange.org> On 03 December 2001, Jerome Warnier said: > The subject is the error I get every single time a script has to be > executed from Mailman. Your Python installation is broken. > On the other side, I don't understand why it needs so much OpenSSL, as > I'm not willing to use it (I'm willing to run Mailman on a private > network). It doesn't need OpenSSL, but recent versions of Python will use OpenSSL if they find it *at build-time*. If things change -- eg. libssl.so.0.9.6 was on the system where you built Python, but not on the system where you're running it -- then Python will be unable to load the socket module, which Mailman is heavily dependent on. > I'm in trouble because I cannot get to recompile nor Python2.1.1 nor > OpenSSL on my Sun Entreprise 10000 running Solaris 8. It seems "as", > packaged with Solaris, doesn't understand some instructions. Sun has a long and glorious history of shipping broken software. (Come to think of it, so does every other computer manufacturer and software company on the planet.) Try gcc -- I've never had a problem building Python with gcc on Solaris. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 3 20:21:06 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:21:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] private script behaveing oddly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011203142106.C2745@mems-exchange.org> On 03 December 2001, Steve Traylen said: > If I make one of my archives private then quite correctly I am > asked to authenticate myself. > > After successful authentication I am offered View By date, author, > subject, etc. > > Clicking any of these returns me to the authentication page again > and so in an endless loop. I never get to see the actuall archives. Sounds like you're not accepting the Mailman authentication cookie. You need to enable cookies in your browser. (Modern browsers let you do so selectively by site.) Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From jwblist at olympus.net Mon Dec 3 20:23:55 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:23:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands In-Reply-To: <3C0A005C.DF1565DE@fsub.schule.de> References: <3C0A005C.DF1565DE@fsub.schule.de> Message-ID: At 11:20 +0100 12/2/2001, Hans-Josef Heck wrote: >Where do I find information on > >Majordomo-style email based commands ? send the word help as the subject of a message to a convenient xxx-request address for a list run by Mailman (such as this one mailman-users-request at python.org). -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From s.traylen at bonbon.net Mon Dec 3 21:58:37 2001 From: s.traylen at bonbon.net (Steve Traylen) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:58:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] private script behaveing oddly In-Reply-To: <20011203142106.C2745@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: That was my first thought so I tried it with a few browsers on other machines and well. I do not think it is simply that cookies are switched off. I am still perplexed. Steve On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Greg Ward wrote: GW>On 03 December 2001, Steve Traylen said: GW>> If I make one of my archives private then quite correctly I am GW>> asked to authenticate myself. GW>> GW>> After successful authentication I am offered View By date, author, GW>> subject, etc. GW>> GW>> Clicking any of these returns me to the authentication page again GW>> and so in an endless loop. I never get to see the actuall archives. GW> GW>Sounds like you're not accepting the Mailman authentication cookie. You GW>need to enable cookies in your browser. (Modern browsers let you do so GW>selectively by site.) GW> GW> Greg GW> From cipher at eschatek.com Mon Dec 3 23:04:17 2001 From: cipher at eschatek.com (J B Bell) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:04:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad dating of cron mailings? References: <3C097EC9.1040207@eschatek.com> <20011203101349.A1367@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <3C0BF6E1.1020200@eschatek.com> Greg Ward wrote: > On 01 December 2001, J B Bell said: > >>Mailman is suffering some brain damage all of a sudden. I've not >>changed my version of Python nor anything like that, though I have >>fiddled with my kernel in ways that presumably should not affect this. >>Other cron-inspired mailings are getting through with a normal date. >> > > What MTA are you using? D'oh, I can't believe I forgot that. Qmail. >>All my Mailman automated mailings are coming up with the date >>12/31/69. >> > > By "automated mailings", I presume you mean things like password > reminders, and *not* regular list posts. Correct? Yes, that's right. List posts are working fine. > And by "date", I presume you mean the "Date:" header, *not* the other > dates in an RFC822 header (eg. in Received headers or the "From " > line). Correct? Hm, now this *is* interesting. Please forgive me, I just started using Mozilla for my mail and only recently finally figured out how to view really really all the headers. Here they are: Return-Path: Delivered-To: cipher at eschatek.com Received: (qmail 31194 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:00:07 -0000 Received: from localhost.intergate.ca (HELO demiurge.eschatek.com.) (szcdsd at 127.0.0.1) by localhost.intergate.ca with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:00:06 -0000 Subject: eschatek.com mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner at demiurge.eschatek.com To: cipher at eschatek.com X-No-Archive: yes X-Ack: no Sender: yogabc-admin at yabc.ca Errors-To: yogabc-admin at yabc.ca X-BeenThere: yogabc at yabc.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Note the utter and complete lack of any Date: header whatsoever. It is odd that neither Mailman nor the local MTA is providing a Date: header though. > If so, one idea that occurs to me: perhaps Mailman doesn't add its own > Date headers, and relies on the MTA to do so. (This would be kind of > sloppy on Mailman's part, though.) What happens if you do something > like this: [Raw SMTP convo. deleted for brevity] Aha! Same result. Mutt, bless its doggy heart, handles it anyway. > Your MTA should add a "Date" header (I don't know if this is mandated by > any RFC, but most MTAs seem to do it to workaround stupid SMTP > clients). What's in that header? Nothin'. Zero. Zip. Nada. I really need to switch to Postfix. > And, of course, what does the "date" command show? :-) "date" shows the correct date, but I thank you for your thoroughness. Seeing now that it is indeed qmail that's handling all this, via the usual SMTP path, I'm baffled that it has decided to stop putting in a Date header. Possibly too, this is a very subtle y2k bug within the mozilla mail client, where it was handling stuff before 11/31/00, but turned over to '69 on 12/1/00. Irksome, is what it is. Ah well, thanks kindly for your help. --JB From jonc at haht.com Tue Dec 4 00:40:44 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:40:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail-News Gateway References: <001501c17be3$c5c99680$0200000a@home> <20011203073021.A25590@amhuinnsuidhe.cx> <3C0B9995.17492E33@gennum.com> Message-ID: <061d01c17c53$ed8ec0d0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Yes. Include the username and password in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file (look for details in the file Default.py) Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kostash" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail-News Gateway > Is it possible to get mailman to gateway to a newsgroup that requires a login > username and password? > > I am using mailman as a pipe from an E-mail alias to a news server to give the > alias some "memory". The alias is used for posting resumes from our web site, so > I have the newsgroup restricted to our HR people. > > Thanks. > > John Kostash > Gennum Corp. > > > From john at nisus.com Mon Dec 3 00:01:55 2001 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:01:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing and bouncing Message-ID: > FOund out what it is. > Please make sure your relaying is enabled for your > localhost.localdomain. and also make sure your relaying > is enabled for 127.0.0.1 > Check it out in the /etc/mail/access file Don't have one of those. What creates it? Is it only used by a particular MTA? (Gotta dig out the sys admin books & try reading twixt the lines, again.) John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From ise at tao.ca Tue Dec 4 02:43:50 2001 From: ise at tao.ca (ISE) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:43:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Sync Problem Message-ID: Hello, I have compiled a script based upon the great feedback from Jon Carnes and the Mailman FAQ that generates a "main" which consists of all the subscribers from a set of lists. This script then syncs this list with a .htpasswd file. My script works fine via a hourly cron job minus one glitch. Ever few days or so (this does not happen at any consistent time) when the script is filtering through the list set, it come back with zero list subscribers. Following this, the script then updates the main list. Because It comes back with zero subscribers, the main list's members are all removed. An hour later when the job is run again, the script locates all the expected list members from the list set and then re-subscribes everyone. The main problem with this is that all the re-subscribed members are assigned new passwords, ultimately making my attempt to sync this list to a .htpasswd file unfruitful as the list members can never be certain of what their password is. I have included the script below. I don't think the problem is with the script, but perhaps has something to do with Mailman. Any ideas? Thank you, Michael Caplan Institute for Social Ecology http://www.social-ecology.org/ #!/usr/local/bin/bash # Sync the ise-all mailling list # The list includes everyone on an ISE project mailling list. # Users on the ise-all list are then synced with the htpass file # for the ISE "internal" web page # # create an empty file echo " " >/tmp/ise_list # # dump out all lists names that contain the word pasus, but # be sure to not include the "-all" list, since that is the list # that we are recreating with this script LISTS="`/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists | grep -i ise | \ grep -vi food | \ grep -vi all | \ grep -vi new-test | \ grep -vi organise | \ awk '{ print $1 }'`" for i in $LISTS do # dump all the user emails out to a file for all the pasus lists /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members $i >>/tmp/ise_list done # # this sorts the list and removes duplicate entries cat /tmp/ise_list |sort -u >/tmp/ise-all_list #get rid of archive addresses cat /tmp/ise-all_list | grep -vi archive > /tmp/ise-all_list ### the above step is really unnecessary as "sync_members" already ### does this automatically - still I like a clean orderly list... # # feed the list of all pasus users into the "_all" list # Note: welcome messages are turned off for this list. /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -f /tmp/ise-all_list ise-all >/dev/null # # Take only pictures, leave only foot prints... rm /tmp/ise_list rm /tmp/ise-all_list #Sync list with htpasswd file /usr/local/apache/bin/htpasswd -cb /path/to/.htaccess.new user pass for i in `/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members ise-all` do PASS=`strings /usr/local/mailman/lists/ise-all/config.db |grep -i -A1 $i |head -5 |tail -1 | sed 's/s$//' ` /usr/local/apache/bin/htpasswd -b /path/to/.htaccess.new $i $PASS done # replace the .htaccess.mylist file used for list users web access to this site. # This gets rid of the dummy line used to create the passwd file, but you # could just start with an empty file... cat /path/to/.htaccess.new > /path/to/.htpasswd From john at nisus.com Tue Dec 4 04:44:19 2001 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:44:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending_subscriptions.db Message-ID: > "Lynn, Michael (DCS)" 2001-12-01 11:06:09 -0500 >> Jon Carnes 2001-12-01 11:02 wrote: >>> On 2001-12-01 10:24, Lynn, Michael (DCS) wrote: >>> I implemented Mailman yesterday and had some problems with Sendmail >>> config. I believe I have resolved those problems and how I have >>> a large pending_subscriptions.db file >> You should be able to use the web-admin interface to clean >> out the pending subscriptions for a list. Look for the option: >> Tend to pending administrative requests >> From there, do a whole lot of deny-ing or whatever... > I have tried the Web interface link - however, it tells me > that there are no pending requests. This is the same situation I've been trying to solve. That's why I was asking what sorts of log & queue files there might be and where to look for them. John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 4 06:04:44 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:04:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Sync Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01120400044400.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> Ack! I can think of three possiblities that might be causing this... but all are long shots. 1) The volume you are using is full and there is no room to right the files. Check your space available on the server (df). 2) The following line (added to the script) may not work as you desire: "cat /tmp/ise-all_list | grep -vi archive > /tmp/ise-all_list" You are outputing from the same file that you are inputing to... If it can't do this in one read, then you may end up with a blank file. 3) Some other process wipes out your temp file before the sync can start or finish up. You end up syncing with a blank or non-existant file. Do you run a cron job that cleans out the /tmp directory on a regular basis? === If the volumes aren't full then let's make some changes to the script and see if this helps. First lets move the created file out of the /tmp volume. Second, remove the redirects to /dev/null so that you will recieve emails containing the output of those commands. Third, lets version the sync file so that you can look at it and see if it is ever created incorrectly. Below are the changes... You are going to get a lot of output if you use the below script, but it should help trouble shoot what is going on. Plus, I have modified the generation of the .htpasswd file so that works much better and changes a blank password to a generic password (here defined as the word "password"). I hope this helps, Jon Carnes On Monday 03 December 2001 20:43, ISE wrote: > Hello, > > I have compiled a script based upon the great feedback from Jon Carnes > and the Mailman FAQ that generates a "main" which consists of all the > subscribers from a set of lists. This script then syncs this list with > a .htpasswd file. My script works fine via a hourly cron job minus one > glitch. Ever few days or so (this does not happen at any consistent > time) when the script is filtering through the list set, it come back > with zero list subscribers. Following this, the script then updates the > main list. Because It comes back with zero subscribers, the main list's > members are all removed. An hour later when the job is run again, the > script locates all the expected list members from the list set and then > re-subscribes everyone. The main problem with this is that all the > re-subscribed members are assigned new passwords, ultimately making my > attempt to sync this list to a .htpasswd file unfruitful as the list > members can never be certain of what their password is. > > I have included the script below. I don't think the problem is with the > script, but perhaps has something to do with Mailman. Any ideas? > > Thank you, > > Michael Caplan > Institute for Social Ecology > http://www.social-ecology.org/ > > #!/usr/local/bin/bash # Sync the ise-all mailling list # The list includes everyone on an ISE project mailling list. # Users on the ise-all list are then synced with the htpass file # for the ISE "internal" web page # # create an empty file echo " " > /home/mailman/ise_list LISTS="`/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists | grep -i ise | \ grep -vi food | \ grep -vi all | \ grep -vi new-test | \ grep -vi organise | \ awk '{ print $1 }'`" for i in $LISTS do /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members $i >> /home/mailman/ise_list done cat /home/mailman/ise_list |sort -u |grep -vi archive \ > /home/mailman/ise-all_list /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -f /home/mailman/ise-all_list ise-all mv /home/mailman/ise_list /home/mailman/ise_list"`date '+-%d-%k'`" mv /home/mailman/ise-all_list /home/mailman/ise-all_list"`date '+-%d-%k'`" #Sync list with htpasswd file touch /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all CONFIG="/home/mailman/lists/ise-all/config.db" for i in `/home/mailman/bin/list_members ise-all ` do PASS=`/home/mailman/bin/dumpdb $CONFIG |grep -i $i |head -2 | \ tail -1 |cut -f4 "-d'"` if [ "xxx$PASS" = "xxx" ]; then PASS="password" ; fi htpasswd -b /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all $i $PASS done # mv /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all /etc/httpd/.htpasswd.ise-all From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 4 06:17:30 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending_subscriptions.db In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01120400173001.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> You can simply write over it with the one in your Source directory (assuming you downloaded the source and did the install). If not, I put a blank one up on my ftp server: ftp://ftp.haht.com/private/mailman/pending_subscriptions.db It only contains two characters: {0 Jon On Monday 03 December 2001 22:44, jgo wrote: > > "Lynn, Michael (DCS)" 2001-12-01 11:06:09 -0500 > > > >> Jon Carnes 2001-12-01 11:02 wrote: > >>> On 2001-12-01 10:24, Lynn, Michael (DCS) wrote: > >>> I implemented Mailman yesterday and had some problems with Sendmail > >>> config. I believe I have resolved those problems and how I have > >>> a large pending_subscriptions.db file > >> > >> You should be able to use the web-admin interface to clean > >> out the pending subscriptions for a list. Look for the option: > >> Tend to pending administrative requests > >> > >> From there, do a whole lot of deny-ing or whatever... > > > > I have tried the Web interface link - however, it tells me > > that there are no pending requests. > > This is the same situation I've been trying to solve. > That's why I was asking what sorts of log & queue files > there might be and where to look for them. > > John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist > Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, > Justice > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Tue Dec 4 10:06:17 2001 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:06:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.6: open failed: No such file or directory Message-ID: > On 03 December 2001, Jerome Warnier said: > > The subject is the error I get every single time a script has to be > > executed from Mailman. > > Your Python installation is broken. I understood that, but how do I fix it? I cannot get to recompile Python! > > > On the other side, I don't understand why it needs so much OpenSSL, as > > I'm not willing to use it (I'm willing to run Mailman on a private > > network). > > It doesn't need OpenSSL, but recent versions of Python will use OpenSSL > if they find it *at build-time*. If things change -- > eg. libssl.so.0.9.6 was on the system where you built Python, but not on > the system where you're running it -- then Python will be unable to load > the socket module, which Mailman is heavily dependent on. The problem is that they are both installed and even when I create symlinks, it doesn't work. It goes further(the libraries needed are found, except one) but keeps saying the same thing for "libcrypt.so.0". I'm stuck. > > > I'm in trouble because I cannot get to recompile nor Python2.1.1 nor > > OpenSSL on my Sun Entreprise 10000 running Solaris 8. It seems "as", > > packaged with Solaris, doesn't understand some instructions. > > Sun has a long and glorious history of shipping broken software. (Come > to think of it, so does every other computer manufacturer and software > company on the planet.) Try gcc -- I've never had a problem building > Python with gcc on Solaris. Python and OpenSSL are not shipped with Solaris, I took the packages from Sunfreeware.com. > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From lac at strakt.com Tue Dec 4 11:59:00 2001 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:59:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any nmh users here? Message-ID: <200112041059.fB4Ax0wA016444@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> nmh doesn't understand mailman created digests and won't burst them correctly. Has anybody here already hacked nmh to do this? (I mailed the nmh list, and they _haven't_, but they say they need a new mailing list software anyhow...). Laura Creighton From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Dec 4 15:56:30 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:56:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Sync Problem In-Reply-To: <01120400044400.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> References: <01120400044400.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011204095630.A5414@mems-exchange.org> On 04 December 2001, Jon Carnes said: > 2) The following line (added to the script) may not work as you desire: > "cat /tmp/ise-all_list | grep -vi archive > /tmp/ise-all_list" > You are outputing from the same file that you are inputing to... If it > can't do this in one read, then you may end up with a blank file. That's almost certainly a problem. I'm surprised the script works at all. Back when I was a Unix neophyte, I naively played around with that sort of thing, and it always failed. I'm pretty sure the shell does fopen("/tmp/ise-all_list", "w") before "cat" even gets a chance to open it for reading. (Possibly even before it forks and execs cat.) Hmmm: perhaps the shell forks and execs cat, and *then* opens /tmp/ise-all_list for writing: bang, you've got a race condition, which explains why the script sometimes works and sometimes fails. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Dec 4 16:00:11 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:00:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.6: open failed: No such file or directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011204100011.B5414@mems-exchange.org> [me] > Your Python installation is broken. On 04 December 2001, Jerome Warnier said: > I understood that, but how do I fix it? I cannot get to recompile Python! Have you tried building it with gcc instead of Sun's compiler? You're not the first person to have problems with Sun's build of Python from sunfreeware.com. Sigh. You could try complaining to Sun. (Good luck!) Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Dec 4 17:06:35 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:06:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.6: open failed: No such file or directory References: Message-ID: <3C0CF48B.BC73AAF@pcraft.com> Jerome Warnier wrote: > Python and OpenSSL are not shipped with Solaris, I took the packages from > Sunfreeware.com. Usually, if any company has a 'freeware' section, those are maintained by other individuals, some of them employees of that company. There's a good chance you can get a different, possibly newer, release of OpenSSL and Python - one that does work. There is also a good chance someone might be willing to help you with either providing you a pre-compiled version of mailman, or to fix what you have now. I know IRIX folks do help their customers - even if you've never given them a single red cent. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From QSL at softhome.net Tue Dec 4 17:21:14 2001 From: QSL at softhome.net (Tim) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:21:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header/Footer Attributes Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011204112114.00ac8260@pop.SoftHome.net> The screen that allows you to add headers and footers to list messages says: This text can include %(attribute)s format strings which are resolved against the list's attributes. Some useful attributes are: real_name _internal_name host_name info Where can I find a complete list of the attributes that can be used in list messages? TIA Tim From jkenton at iastate.edu Tue Dec 4 17:50:22 2001 From: jkenton at iastate.edu (Jeffrey M. Kenton) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:50:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max Number of Addresses in Lists Message-ID: Hello. I just got off the phone with the director of external information for my college. She wants to know if our existing system (Mailman) will handle lists that contain "between 4500 and 7000 email addresses." They want to set up an alumni newsletter email list so they can distribute information about programs, events, etc. This potential number of emails far exceeds, by a considerable amount (~5x), the number of email addresses on the largest list that I currently maintain. I do not have any fear that the individual components in the chain (mailman and sendmail) can handle the load, but I wonder about the hardware I might need. I imagine that there will also need to be a significant amount of tweaking to my sendmail configuration to allow it to efficiently handle a sudden request to handle up to 7000 outgoing emails. The emails will also have attachments, most probably, and could be very large (~300K each). Approximately 200MB of outbound bandwidth per message to those lists is a frightening specter... Of course, I am only thinking of the worst case. I would hope that most of the emails to the list will be referrals to URLs, email addresses, etc. I am hesitant to answer this question immediately, because my mail server was once shut down by our central IT group because I was sending out ~10 000 emails. However, at that time, I was using THEIR outgoing SMTP server, and this time it will be all coming off mine. If someone who reads this list has set up such huge volume lists, could you please respond to me directly as well as this list so I can pick your brain a little? Thanks Jeff -- ____________________________________________________________ Jeff Kenton College of Education Tech Support N058A Lagomarcino jkenton at iastate.edu Ames, IA 50011 515 294 0228 "Security is a process, not a product." - Bruce Schneier From dev at anabasis.net Tue Dec 4 18:24:19 2001 From: dev at anabasis.net (Lawrence Weeks) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:24:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page In-Reply-To: <3C07A86D.764AEDB9@research.bell-labs.com>; from ste@research.bell-labs.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:40:29AM -0500 References: <200111282331.PAA14416@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <3C07A86D.764AEDB9@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20011204112419.A31680@xenophon.anabasis.net> Once upon a time (Fri Nov 30), Shaun Erickson wrote: > Dan Mick wrote: >> Didn't even bother to look at bin/withlist, did you? >> There's a huge example right at the beginning of the script. > Actually, I did look at it, and perhaps I'm clueless, but it made no > sense to me, not knowing perl or python, so I asked for help. Thanks > for your input. It doesn't appear that this has been answered. Here you go: % su % cd % python -i bin/withlist -l mylist >>> m.admin_member_chunksize = 100 >>> m.Save() >>> % exit You are simply modifying the values in the object representing your list. To find out what values you can change, what functions there are, et cetera, look in Mailman/MailList.py. I tried adding this to the FAQ, but it apparently requires a password which you get by joining some other web page: 'At the moment, only PSA members will be told the password. This is a good time to join the PSA! See the PSA home page.' The provided link goes somewhere that doesn't mention anything about joining/subscribing, too busy to look further. Larry -- Lawrence Weeks "Audaces fortuna juvat." dev at anabasis.net From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu Tue Dec 4 18:21:19 2001 From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:21:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change digest mailing time Message-ID: My digests go out at noon, and I would like them to go at 10 pm. any suggestions? thanks, -- Paul L. Schumacher Winona State University Computer Science Department From alex at phred.org Tue Dec 4 18:45:14 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:45:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max Number of Addresses in Lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011204093429.C51099-100000@phred.org> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Jeffrey M. Kenton wrote: > I just got off the phone with the director of external information > for my college. She wants to know if our existing system (Mailman) > will handle lists that contain "between 4500 and 7000 email > addresses." They want to set up an alumni newsletter email list so > they can distribute information about programs, events, etc. > > This potential number of emails far exceeds, by a considerable amount > (~5x), the number of email addresses on the largest list that I > currently maintain. I do not have any fear that the individual > components in the chain (mailman and sendmail) can handle the load, > but I wonder about the hardware I might need. I don't have 5000 user lists, but I do have a 1600 member list which has about 50-80 messages a day (which is hopefully more than your announcement list would have). My second largest list is higher in volume (119 msgs yesterday) but has only 871 members. My mailman machine is a Pentium 200MMX with 64megs of RAM. My outgoing MTA is a Windows 2000 server with an Athlon 650 and 256megs of RAM (until a couple of weeks ago it was a Pentium Pro 200 with 192megs of RAM). > I imagine that there will also need to be a significant amount of > tweaking to my sendmail configuration to allow it to efficiently > handle a sudden request to handle up to 7000 outgoing emails. The > emails will also have attachments, most probably, and could be very > large (~300K each). Approximately 200MB of outbound bandwidth per > message to those lists is a frightening specter... I think that you need to talk to the person who is generating these announcements. If my college suddenly started sending me 300kb emails I would be very upset indeed. You should be able to work with them to get the load way down. I'm not sure what 300kb attachments you would send that wouldn't be platform specific (like Word documents), except for maybe PDF files. Is there any reason that they couldn't just provide links to these documents on a web server? My lists are setup to strip all attachments from email. My average message size from Feb 12 to today is only 1605bytes. I think that you are right to be concerned about bandwidth usage. On my setup that is a much larger bottleneck than any of the hardware or software that I'm using. My outgoing link is 256kbps DSL though. alex From mwm at ccnet.com Tue Dec 4 18:50:25 2001 From: mwm at ccnet.com (Mike Mills) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:50:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Lists not displayed on Listinfo Message-ID: I just installed Mailman, 2.0.7, using Python 2.1 in a FreeBSD 4.2 and have created several lists. Everything seems to be working fine, however, none of the lists which are all public, are being displayed from the ListInfo pages. They are, however, displaying fine from the List Admin page. I've tried toggling their public/ private status to no avail. Any clues? What have I done wrong? Thanks, Mike Mills -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011204/9c16ec32/attachment.htm From mwm at ccnet.com Tue Dec 4 18:59:10 2001 From: mwm at ccnet.com (Mike Mills) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:59:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Lists not displayed on Listinfo Message-ID: I just installed Mailman, 2.0.7, using Python 2.1 in a FreeBSD 4.2 and have created several lists. Everything seems to be working fine, however, none of the lists which are all public, are being displayed from the ListInfo pages. They are, however, displaying fine from the List Admin page. I've tried toggling their public/ private status to no avail. Any clues? What have I done wrong? Thanks, Mike Mills From jmeurer at gmx.de Tue Dec 4 19:28:27 2001 From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:28:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist without [Return] Message-ID: <20011204192827.A3815@testsystem.server0.de> Hello, Can I use the script 'newlist' in another script? The problem is the [Return]. I wanna exec 'newlist ...' in a script if ... is ... So, is it possible to use mailman without pressing a key, only giving the command line? Thanks Jonas -- Black holes were created when God divided by 0. From jonc at haht.com Tue Dec 4 19:32:31 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:32:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change digest mailing time References: Message-ID: <00a601c17cf2$09480810$0b04010a@JCARNES> su mailman crontab -e # 10pm, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshold delivery. 0 22 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Let me know if you have any questions - Jon (the minimalist) Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul L. Schumacher" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change digest mailing time > My digests go out at noon, and I would like them to go at 10 pm. > > any suggestions? > > thanks, > > -- > Paul L. Schumacher > Winona State University > Computer Science Department > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at kanga.nu Tue Dec 4 19:46:47 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:46:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Max Number of Addresses in Lists In-Reply-To: Message from "Jeffrey M. Kenton" of "Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:50:22 CST." References: Message-ID: <975.1007491607@kanga.nu> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:50:22 -0600 Jeffrey M Kenton wrote: > I just got off the phone with the director of external > information for my college. She wants to know if our existing > system (Mailman) will handle lists that contain "between 4500 and > 7000 email addresses." Not a problem. > This potential number of emails far exceeds, by a considerable > amount (~5x), the number of email addresses on the largest list > that I currently maintain. I do not have any fear that the > individual components in the chain (mailman and sendmail) can > handle the load, but I wonder about the hardware I might need. I'd start out by suggesting that you may want to choose another MTA: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.002.htp > I imagine that there will also need to be a significant amount of > tweaking to my sendmail configuration to allow it to efficiently > handle a sudden request to handle up to 7000 outgoing emails. The > emails will also have attachments, most probably, and could be > very large (~300K each). Approximately 200MB of outbound bandwidth > per message to those lists is a frightening specter... Fundamentally MTAs are disk IP bound. I wouldn't worry about it. Your system is going to thrash when Mailman's qrunner delivers the initial set of messages to the local MTA for delivery, but from there it should be fine. ObNotes: 1) Exim may be specifically recommended here as by default it has very local-system-load protecting behaviour. 2) Typically setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (number of RCPT TO's per message) to a value between 5 and 10 gives the best performance in terms of parallelisation and delivery time. However in your case that also means a fairly large number of spool entries to be created for each mailing. You may want to sacrifice delivery performance for system IO load by setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS higher. > If someone who reads this list has set up such huge volume lists, > could you please respond to me directly as well as this list so I > can pick your brain a little? Actually you're talking about a rather small list. Get up close to or past the 100K point and it gets really interesting (the largest known list has 1.3M subscribers). This reply is on-list. Feel free to continue the discussion off-list if you wish, tho I think it would be better here. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Dec 4 19:47:22 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:47:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change digest mailing time In-Reply-To: Message from "Paul L. Schumacher" of "Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:21:19 CST." References: Message-ID: <1015.1007491642@kanga.nu> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:21:19 -0600 (CST) Paul L Schumacher wrote: > My digests go out at noon, and I would like them to go at 10 pm. > any suggestions? Edit Mailman's crontab. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From ise at tao.ca Tue Dec 4 19:50:33 2001 From: ise at tao.ca (ISE) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:50:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Sync Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon and Greg, Thanks for the quick assistance. Jon, I made the changes you suggested. That is some brilliant coding. I've got a lot to learn. I recommend that this be entered into the FAQ, as I am sure others will find this very useful. Best, Michael Caplan Institute for Social Ecology http://www.social-ecology.org/ -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jon Carnes Sent: December 4, 2001 12:05 AM To: ISE; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List Sync Problem Ack! I can think of three possiblities that might be causing this... but all are long shots. 1) The volume you are using is full and there is no room to right the files. Check your space available on the server (df). 2) The following line (added to the script) may not work as you desire: "cat /tmp/ise-all_list | grep -vi archive > /tmp/ise-all_list" You are outputing from the same file that you are inputing to... If it can't do this in one read, then you may end up with a blank file. 3) Some other process wipes out your temp file before the sync can start or finish up. You end up syncing with a blank or non-existant file. Do you run a cron job that cleans out the /tmp directory on a regular basis? === If the volumes aren't full then let's make some changes to the script and see if this helps. First lets move the created file out of the /tmp volume. Second, remove the redirects to /dev/null so that you will recieve emails containing the output of those commands. Third, lets version the sync file so that you can look at it and see if it is ever created incorrectly. Below are the changes... You are going to get a lot of output if you use the below script, but it should help trouble shoot what is going on. Plus, I have modified the generation of the .htpasswd file so that works much better and changes a blank password to a generic password (here defined as the word "password"). I hope this helps, Jon Carnes On Monday 03 December 2001 20:43, ISE wrote: > Hello, > > I have compiled a script based upon the great feedback from Jon Carnes > and the Mailman FAQ that generates a "main" which consists of all the > subscribers from a set of lists. This script then syncs this list with > a .htpasswd file. My script works fine via a hourly cron job minus one > glitch. Ever few days or so (this does not happen at any consistent > time) when the script is filtering through the list set, it come back > with zero list subscribers. Following this, the script then updates the > main list. Because It comes back with zero subscribers, the main list's > members are all removed. An hour later when the job is run again, the > script locates all the expected list members from the list set and then > re-subscribes everyone. The main problem with this is that all the > re-subscribed members are assigned new passwords, ultimately making my > attempt to sync this list to a .htpasswd file unfruitful as the list > members can never be certain of what their password is. > > I have included the script below. I don't think the problem is with the > script, but perhaps has something to do with Mailman. Any ideas? > > Thank you, > > Michael Caplan > Institute for Social Ecology > http://www.social-ecology.org/ > > #!/usr/local/bin/bash # Sync the ise-all mailling list # The list includes everyone on an ISE project mailling list. # Users on the ise-all list are then synced with the htpass file # for the ISE "internal" web page # # create an empty file echo " " > /home/mailman/ise_list LISTS="`/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists | grep -i ise | \ grep -vi food | \ grep -vi all | \ grep -vi new-test | \ grep -vi organise | \ awk '{ print $1 }'`" for i in $LISTS do /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members $i >> /home/mailman/ise_list done cat /home/mailman/ise_list |sort -u |grep -vi archive \ > /home/mailman/ise-all_list /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -f /home/mailman/ise-all_list ise-all mv /home/mailman/ise_list /home/mailman/ise_list"`date '+-%d-%k'`" mv /home/mailman/ise-all_list /home/mailman/ise-all_list"`date '+-%d-%k'`" #Sync list with htpasswd file touch /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all CONFIG="/home/mailman/lists/ise-all/config.db" for i in `/home/mailman/bin/list_members ise-all ` do PASS=`/home/mailman/bin/dumpdb $CONFIG |grep -i $i |head -2 | \ tail -1 |cut -f4 "-d'"` if [ "xxx$PASS" = "xxx" ]; then PASS="password" ; fi htpasswd -b /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all $i $PASS done # mv /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all /etc/httpd/.htpasswd.ise-all From MLynn at exchange.ml.com Tue Dec 4 18:33:47 2001 From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS)) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:33:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change digest mailing time Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A15101F015@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> You can Change your Crontab file for mailman user: --snip # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests # --snip Mike Michael Lynn Platform Architect, Vice President Merrill Lynch (201) 557-4555 Cell: (917) 941-7964 > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul L. Schumacher [mailto:wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:21 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change digest mailing time > > > My digests go out at noon, and I would like them to go at 10 pm. > > any suggestions? > > thanks, > > -- > Paul L. Schumacher > Winona State University > Computer Science Department > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jonc at haht.com Tue Dec 4 20:03:01 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:03:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist without [Return] References: <20011204192827.A3815@testsystem.server0.de> Message-ID: <00c801c17cf6$4ba8b070$0b04010a@JCARNES> You can use a redirector to feed the [Return] into the command. An example: newlist mytest myemail at domain.com password < /tmp/nl Where the file /tmp/nl is simply a file with a few returns in it. === Usage: newlist [options] listname listadmin-addr admin-password Options: -q --quiet Normally the administrator is notified by email (after a prompt) that their list has been created. This option suppresses that notification. -o file --output=file Append the alias setting recommendations to file, in addition to printing them to standard output. -h/--help Print this help text and exit. You can specify as many of the arguments as you want on the command line. The optional argument, if present, means to send out the notice immediately. Otherwise, the script hangs pending input, to give time for the person creating the list to customize it before sending the admin an email notice about the existence of the new list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Meurer" To: "mailman-users" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist without [Return] > Hello, > > Can I use the script 'newlist' in another script? > The problem is the [Return]. I wanna exec 'newlist ...' > in a script if ... is ... > So, is it possible to use mailman without pressing a > key, only giving the command line? > > Thanks > Jonas > > -- > Black holes were created when God divided by 0. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From bkhl at anisakis.org Tue Dec 4 20:15:03 2001 From: bkhl at anisakis.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Lindstr=F6m?=) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:15:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist without [Return] In-Reply-To: <00c801c17cf6$4ba8b070$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <20011204192827.A3815@testsystem.server0.de> <00c801c17cf6$4ba8b070$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011204201503.D24950@anisakis.org> Jon Carnes [011204 20:10]: > You can use a redirector to feed the [Return] into the command. An example: > newlist mytest myemail at domain.com password < /tmp/nl > > Where the file /tmp/nl is simply a file with a few returns in it. It's better to use the yes command. Like this: yes '' | newlist mytest myemail at domain.com password From jmeurer at gmx.de Tue Dec 4 20:26:12 2001 From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:26:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist without [Return] In-Reply-To: <20011204201503.D24950@anisakis.org> References: <20011204192827.A3815@testsystem.server0.de> <00c801c17cf6$4ba8b070$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20011204201503.D24950@anisakis.org> Message-ID: <20011204202612.A6423@testsystem.server0.de> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:15:03PM +0100, Bj?rn Lindstr?m wrote: > > You can use a redirector to feed the [Return] into the command. An example: > > newlist mytest myemail at domain.com password < /tmp/nl > > Where the file /tmp/nl is simply a file with a few returns in it. > It's better to use the yes command. Like this: > yes '' | newlist mytest myemail at domain.com password Thanks, it works ;) Bye Jonas -- Be careful with water -- it's full of hydrogen and oxygen! From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Dec 4 21:10:43 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:10:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running mailman on a linux/grsecurity kernel Message-ID: <20011204121043.P16487@magic.merlins.org> Just in case this is useful for someone, I wrote the following quick doc for using mailman on a linux/grsec kernel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steps you need to take to run mailman on a linux grsecurity protected kernel 1) Install and run securelinux_fix.py -f 2) Grsecurity will not run binaries if the directory they're in is writable by a user other than root: panoramix:/var/local/mailman/mail# chown root.mailman . panoramix:/var/local/mailman/mail# chmod 755 . panoramix:/var/local/mailman/mail# chattr +i . 3) Apply the same fix to the CGIs panoramix:/var/local/mailman/cgi-bin# chown root.mailman . panoramix:/var/local/mailman/cgi-bin# chmod 755 . panoramix:/var/local/mailman/cgi-bin# chattr +i . Marc -- 2001/12/04 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From finn at schjott.dk Mon Dec 3 10:59:17 2001 From: finn at schjott.dk (Finn=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Schj=F8tt?=) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:59:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman refusing to send remote emails. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm in the process of installing Mailman on a RH7. and although grandfather*4, would like to call me a novice in Linux/x environments. I try to follow the Installmanual, which is written as to recompile/make, whereas I've used the .rpm- packagemethod to install. In the manual are stated some points which are to be done as 'non-root'. I can see the installed modules are all 'root-owned'. Is this to be concerned? So far, the Mailman-server is running, although some misconfiguration occours. I found that it insisted on fromadress as 'localhost' and found changing Domain in .... cured this. But the file states in the header NOT to be manually changed! I've made some lists, which send confirmation to members, but they can't reply, as reciever dont exist. I found that I had to manually put output from newlist into the aliasses file. Is there any place I can find that output again, or do I have to delete/ remake the list to get that output? My first goal is to maintain a couple of manually organised lists, where I want a special header or footer, and I think Mailman is fine for this. Is there any way to maintain such a list including and comments (phone/addr) However I plan to start a couple of 'usercontrolled' lists, and allthoug I like the web-subscribe/unsubscribe form, I would not miss the 'majordomo-style' mailing the list to subscribe/unsubscribe. I don't find any confirmation this is possible.? Excuse my long message. Finn ------------- Finn Schj?tt IT manager Amtscentret for Undervisning, Nordjylland tlf. 9878 5825 From jacob at prisonbooks.org Mon Dec 3 20:01:32 2001 From: jacob at prisonbooks.org (Jacob Singh) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bizzare non-reporting error Message-ID: <002101c17c2c$f3d7dca0$6501a8c0@pajama68cjf2eu> So I finally got wrapper to work properly, by setting the gid to mail (the user and group of sendmail) and by placing a symlink to wrapper in etc/smrsh/. And looking at the mail log, nothing seems to be wrong. The program can send mail fine (i.e. creating a new list, subscribing members, etc.) but it cannot receiving incoming posts. I checked the post and error logs and see that all the emails I send to wrapper are being ignored. But they are getting there or so says the system maillog. Thank you for your help oh nameless unix geek who cares. Peace, J From david.johnson at hamptonu.edu Mon Dec 3 22:07:32 2001 From: david.johnson at hamptonu.edu (Johnson David R) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:07:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error Message-ID: The original message was received at Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:57:38 -0500 from washington.hamptonu.edu [137.198.11.25] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug" (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug"... Service unavailable what is going wrong here? i already created the symbolic link from /usr/sbin/smrsh cd /usr/sbin/smrsh ln -s /var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper and restarted the sendmail service. What have i not done? David Johnson | Network Administrator | Linux Systems Admin Hampton University | Hampton, Va. | 23666 757.728.6528 [office] | 757.360.8958 [pager] davidr.johnson at hamptonu.edu [email] From moseley at hank.org Tue Dec 4 02:54:58 2001 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:54:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cron scripts and syslog Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011203175458.01dc8200@pop3.hank.org> This is a unix question, I guess, instead of a mailman question. I'd like to keep the cron messages specific to mailman in a separate log file from my other cron logs. I can't think of a way to do that, but I thought I'd ask. This is on linux. Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From ah at c-a-e.com Tue Dec 4 10:30:52 2001 From: ah at c-a-e.com (Adam Hodgson) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:30:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Managers Guide Message-ID: <3C0C97CC.D3C14D07@c-a-e.com> Hi, the links to the users guides don't work for me. Is there another source for this information? Specifically we seek help on how to delete a thread or individual mkessages from the archive. Any help appreciated. Btw, we're using mailman at http://www.IdeasViM.de as a closed group. -- Freundliche Gruesse & best regards, - Adam Hodgson - Mailto:AH at c-a-e.com ------------------------------------ AH Engineering, http://www.c-a-e.com AH CadFans, http://www.IdeasViM.de Ideas User Group e.V. (Vorsitzender) ------------------------------------ Schnackenburgallee 43 D-22525 Hamburg, Germany T: ++49 (0)40 8555 2564 M: ++49 (0)177 734 4237 (NEU!) F: ++49 (0)40 8555 2308 From QSL at softhome.net Tue Dec 4 17:11:46 2001 From: QSL at softhome.net (Tim) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:11:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header/Footer Attributes Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011204111146.00ac7a90@pop.SoftHome.net> The screen that allows you to add headers and footers to list messages says: This text can include %(attribute)s format strings which are resolved against the list's attributes. Some useful attributes are: real_name _internal_name host_name info Where can I find a complete list of the attributes that can be used in list messages? TIA Tim From grrrl at tao.ca Tue Dec 4 19:31:59 2001 From: grrrl at tao.ca (Michael Caplan) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:31:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Sync Problem In-Reply-To: <01120400044400.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Jon and Greg, Thanks for the quick assistance. Jon, I made the changes you suggested. That is some brilliant coding. I've got a lot to learn. I recommend that this be entered into the FAQ, as I am sure others will find this very useful. Best, Michael Caplan Institute for Social Ecology http://www.social-ecology.org/ -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jon Carnes Sent: December 4, 2001 12:05 AM To: ISE; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List Sync Problem Ack! I can think of three possiblities that might be causing this... but all are long shots. 1) The volume you are using is full and there is no room to right the files. Check your space available on the server (df). 2) The following line (added to the script) may not work as you desire: "cat /tmp/ise-all_list | grep -vi archive > /tmp/ise-all_list" You are outputing from the same file that you are inputing to... If it can't do this in one read, then you may end up with a blank file. 3) Some other process wipes out your temp file before the sync can start or finish up. You end up syncing with a blank or non-existant file. Do you run a cron job that cleans out the /tmp directory on a regular basis? === If the volumes aren't full then let's make some changes to the script and see if this helps. First lets move the created file out of the /tmp volume. Second, remove the redirects to /dev/null so that you will recieve emails containing the output of those commands. Third, lets version the sync file so that you can look at it and see if it is ever created incorrectly. Below are the changes... You are going to get a lot of output if you use the below script, but it should help trouble shoot what is going on. Plus, I have modified the generation of the .htpasswd file so that works much better and changes a blank password to a generic password (here defined as the word "password"). I hope this helps, Jon Carnes On Monday 03 December 2001 20:43, ISE wrote: > Hello, > > I have compiled a script based upon the great feedback from Jon Carnes > and the Mailman FAQ that generates a "main" which consists of all the > subscribers from a set of lists. This script then syncs this list with > a .htpasswd file. My script works fine via a hourly cron job minus one > glitch. Ever few days or so (this does not happen at any consistent > time) when the script is filtering through the list set, it come back > with zero list subscribers. Following this, the script then updates the > main list. Because It comes back with zero subscribers, the main list's > members are all removed. An hour later when the job is run again, the > script locates all the expected list members from the list set and then > re-subscribes everyone. The main problem with this is that all the > re-subscribed members are assigned new passwords, ultimately making my > attempt to sync this list to a .htpasswd file unfruitful as the list > members can never be certain of what their password is. > > I have included the script below. I don't think the problem is with the > script, but perhaps has something to do with Mailman. Any ideas? > > Thank you, > > Michael Caplan > Institute for Social Ecology > http://www.social-ecology.org/ > > #!/usr/local/bin/bash # Sync the ise-all mailling list # The list includes everyone on an ISE project mailling list. # Users on the ise-all list are then synced with the htpass file # for the ISE "internal" web page # # create an empty file echo " " > /home/mailman/ise_list LISTS="`/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists | grep -i ise | \ grep -vi food | \ grep -vi all | \ grep -vi new-test | \ grep -vi organise | \ awk '{ print $1 }'`" for i in $LISTS do /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members $i >> /home/mailman/ise_list done cat /home/mailman/ise_list |sort -u |grep -vi archive \ > /home/mailman/ise-all_list /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -f /home/mailman/ise-all_list ise-all mv /home/mailman/ise_list /home/mailman/ise_list"`date '+-%d-%k'`" mv /home/mailman/ise-all_list /home/mailman/ise-all_list"`date '+-%d-%k'`" #Sync list with htpasswd file touch /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all CONFIG="/home/mailman/lists/ise-all/config.db" for i in `/home/mailman/bin/list_members ise-all ` do PASS=`/home/mailman/bin/dumpdb $CONFIG |grep -i $i |head -2 | \ tail -1 |cut -f4 "-d'"` if [ "xxx$PASS" = "xxx" ]; then PASS="password" ; fi htpasswd -b /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all $i $PASS done # mv /var/tmp/.htpasswd.ise-all /etc/httpd/.htpasswd.ise-all From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Dec 4 23:37:27 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:37:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] General questions (was Re: Mailman refusing to send remote emails) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011204173727.A7226@mems-exchange.org> On 03 December 2001, Finn Schj?tt said: > I'm in the process of installing Mailman on a RH7. and although > grandfather*4, would like to call me a novice in Linux/x environments. > I try to follow the Installmanual, which is written as to recompile/make, > whereas I've used the .rpm- packagemethod to install. First off, when starting a new thread, send a new message to the list. Don't reply to an unrelated message -- your message's subject had nothing to do with your post, and it will be associated in the threaded archive with irrelevant messages. > In the manual are stated some points which are to be done as 'non-root'. > I can see the installed modules are all 'root-owned'. Is this to be > concerned? Not really, no. The thing that should scare you is executables that are setuid (set-user-id) root. For example, here's an executable that is setuid root by design: $ ls -lF /usr/sbin/exim -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 430740 Jun 8 17:21 /usr/sbin/exim* ^ ^^^^ Mailman's only compiled executable does have that scary letter "s" in its permission bits: $ ls -lF ~mailman/mail total 28 -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 24714 Jul 11 11:07 wrapper* ^ ^^^^^^^ ...but it's not so scary, because it's a setgid (set-group-id) bit, and the group in question is "mailman". That means that running the "wrapper" program -- which your mail server does whenever it receives mail for a Mailman list -- will magically give a process the powers of being in the "mailman" group, which is a *lot* less scary than being the root user. Anyways, all that has very little to do with Mailman. It's just general Unix stuff. > So far, the Mailman-server is running, although some misconfiguration > occours. With Mailman 2.0, there is no such thing as a Mailman server. You use a web server and a mail server (MTA) as front-ends to various Mailman programs. > I found that it insisted on fromadress as 'localhost' and found > changing Domain in .... cured this. But the file states in the header NOT > to be manually changed! You must be referring to Mailman/Defaults.py: # NEVER make site configuration changes to this file. But you didn't read the rest of that comment: ALWAYS make them in # mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area. See the comments in that file # for details. Clear enough? > I've made some lists, which send confirmation to members, but they can't > reply, as reciever dont exist. I found that I had to manually put output > from newlist into the aliasses file. Is there any place I can find that > output again, or do I have to delete/ remake the list to get that output? Good question! I don't know, though. Note that if you're using a modern MTA such as Exim, you don't have to worry about editing /etc/aliases. Just follow the instructions in README.EXIM and new lists work automatically. Very cool. > My first goal is to maintain a couple of manually organised lists, where I > want a special header or footer, and I think Mailman is fine for this. > Is there any way to maintain such a list including and > comments (phone/addr) That's a FAQ: see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.002.htp Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Dec 4 23:39:09 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:39:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bizzare non-reporting error In-Reply-To: <002101c17c2c$f3d7dca0$6501a8c0@pajama68cjf2eu> References: <002101c17c2c$f3d7dca0$6501a8c0@pajama68cjf2eu> Message-ID: <20011204173909.B7226@mems-exchange.org> On 03 December 2001, Jacob Singh said: > So I finally got wrapper to work properly, by setting the gid to mail > (the user and group of sendmail) and by placing a symlink to wrapper in > etc/smrsh/. And looking at the mail log, nothing seems to be wrong. > The program can send mail fine (i.e. creating a new list, subscribing > members, etc.) but it cannot receiving incoming posts. I checked the > post and error logs and see that all the emails I send to wrapper are > being ignored. But they are getting there or so says the system > maillog. Thank you for your help oh nameless unix geek who cares. Have you checked Mailman's logs? Did you setup Mailman's cron jobs, as described in INSTALL? Greg From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Dec 4 23:41:24 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:41:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Managers Guide In-Reply-To: <3C0C97CC.D3C14D07@c-a-e.com> References: <3C0C97CC.D3C14D07@c-a-e.com> Message-ID: <20011204174124.C7226@mems-exchange.org> On 04 December 2001, Adam Hodgson said: > the links to the users guides don't work for me. Is there another source > for this information? Always check the new Mailman FAQ wizard before posting: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Specifically we seek help on how to delete a thread or individual > mkessages from the archive. This is indeed an FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From MLynn at exchange.ml.com Wed Dec 5 00:02:19 2001 From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS)) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:02:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A151E3A7E4@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> David, /usr/sbin/smrsh is an executable... you probably wanted to cd /etc/smrsh before symbolically linking. Regards, Mike Michael Lynn Platform Architect Merrill Lynch 201.557.4555 917.941.7964 -----Original Message----- From: Johnson David R [mailto:david.johnson at hamptonu.edu] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:08 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error The original message was received at Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:57:38 -0500 from washington.hamptonu.edu [137.198.11.25] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug" (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug"... Service unavailable what is going wrong here? i already created the symbolic link from /usr/sbin/smrsh cd /usr/sbin/smrsh ln -s /var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper and restarted the sendmail service. What have i not done? David Johnson | Network Administrator | Linux Systems Admin Hampton University | Hampton, Va. | 23666 757.728.6528 [office] | 757.360.8958 [pager] davidr.johnson at hamptonu.edu [email] ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From MLynn at exchange.ml.com Wed Dec 5 00:14:04 2001 From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS)) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:14:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cron scripts and syslog Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A151E3A7E7@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> Bill, I typically use redirection in the cron statement to achieve this result. eg: # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $) # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests 0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs > /var/log/checkdbs.og 2> &1 or something like that. (vis. > /var/log/checkdbs.og 2> &1) Hope this helps. Regards, Mike Michael Lynn Platform Architect Merrill Lynch 201.557.4555 917.941.7964 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Moseley [mailto:moseley at hank.org] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:55 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cron scripts and syslog This is a unix question, I guess, instead of a mailman question. I'd like to keep the cron messages specific to mailman in a separate log file from my other cron logs. I can't think of a way to do that, but I thought I'd ask. This is on linux. Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From MLynn at exchange.ml.com Wed Dec 5 00:15:36 2001 From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS)) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cron scripts and syslog Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A151E3A7E8@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> whoopps - in my haste I mistyped... you probably want >> for append versus > overwrite. apologies. -----Original Message----- From: Lynn, Michael (DCS) Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:14 PM To: 'Bill Moseley'; mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cron scripts and syslog Bill, I typically use redirection in the cron statement to achieve this result. eg: # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $) # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests 0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs > /var/log/checkdbs.og 2> &1 or something like that. (vis. > /var/log/checkdbs.og 2> &1) Hope this helps. Regards, Mike Michael Lynn Platform Architect Merrill Lynch 201.557.4555 917.941.7964 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Moseley [mailto:moseley at hank.org] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:55 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cron scripts and syslog This is a unix question, I guess, instead of a mailman question. I'd like to keep the cron messages specific to mailman in a separate log file from my other cron logs. I can't think of a way to do that, but I thought I'd ask. This is on linux. Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From david.moruzzi at babcockbrown.com Wed Dec 5 00:31:11 2001 From: david.moruzzi at babcockbrown.com (David Moruzzi) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:31:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination Message-ID: I have setup a mailing list and from time to time it receives mails from people that are not on the list. Normally that is not a problem. Sometimes the list seems to have issues with a sender, and I get: List: IT at systems.xyzcorp.com Reason held: Message has implicit destination From: sf-ids at babcockbrown.com Subject: Level 5 Alert I then have to use the admin interface to accept this message. Is there anyway to open the list to the world and NEVER get these warnings?? Thanks for you help. 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From claw at kanga.nu Wed Dec 5 01:01:18 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:01:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cron scripts and syslog In-Reply-To: Message from Bill Moseley of "Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:54:58 PST." <3.0.3.32.20011203175458.01dc8200@pop3.hank.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20011203175458.01dc8200@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: <17598.1007510478@kanga.nu> On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:54:58 -0800 Bill Moseley wrote: > This is a unix question, I guess, instead of a mailman question. > I'd like to keep the cron messages specific to mailman in a > separate log file from my other cron logs. > I can't think of a way to do that, but I thought I'd ask. Under classic BSD-derived syslog you can't can't do this. Under syslog-ng its almost trivial. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From tass at kenderhome.com Wed Dec 5 04:35:55 2001 From: tass at kenderhome.com (Tass Chapman) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:35:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011204223323.00b06820@mail.kenderhome.com> I am running Mailman 2.0.6 on a FreeBSD 4.3 box, and I have a list of some 10K addresses or so. Is there a quicker way to remove members than the UI or the remove_members tool? I can quickly use emacs to load and find the email in the config.db, but I am not sure of the syntax and am rather loathe to just delete at will. Currently an attempt to unsub via the web fails (timesout) and it generally times out for Admin as well. remove_members takes about 50 mins or so... -- |Tass Chapman| tass at kenderhome.com : PGP key @ pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371| | http://www.kenderhome.com : KEYID: 0x5BC152A1 | |ICQ UIN:394570 | -- A good question is never answered. It is not a bolt to be tightened into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the hope of greening the landscape of idea. -- John Ciardi From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 5 06:05:11 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:05:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011204223323.00b06820@mail.kenderhome.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011204223323.00b06820@mail.kenderhome.com> Message-ID: <01120500051103.01000@anncons.nc.rr.com> Could you give us a description of the hardware your server runs on? I have a feeling that you need to upgrade. You really need to run off a fast SCSI disk subsystem with lots of open space. Jon Carnes On Tuesday 04 December 2001 22:35, Tass Chapman wrote: > I am running Mailman 2.0.6 on a FreeBSD 4.3 box, and I have a list of > some 10K addresses or so. > > Is there a quicker way to remove members than the UI or the > remove_members tool? I can quickly use emacs to load and find the email > in the config.db, but I am not sure of the syntax and am rather loathe to > just delete at will. > > Currently an attempt to unsub via the web fails (timesout) and it > generally times out for Admin as well. remove_members takes about 50 mins > or so... > From claw at kanga.nu Wed Dec 5 06:37:41 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 21:37:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: Message from Jon Carnes of "Wed, 05 Dec 2001 00:05:11 EST." <01120500051103.01000@anncons.nc.rr.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011204223323.00b06820@mail.kenderhome.com> <01120500051103.01000@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <26105.1007530661@kanga.nu> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:05:11 -0500 Jon Carnes wrote: > Could you give us a description of the hardware your server runs > on? I have a feeling that you need to upgrade. You really need > to run off a fast SCSI disk subsystem with lots of open space. RAM is going to be the primary requirement. Fast disk IO if he wants to sustain high delivery rates or a medium to high volume list. Optimal of course, and I have done this, is to throw solid state disks at the mail spool. Very nice. Very fast. Very expensive. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From tass at kenderhome.com Wed Dec 5 14:28:53 2001 From: tass at kenderhome.com (Tass) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:28:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: <01120500051103.01000@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: SCSI alas is not an option (which is where I think the bottleneck is). It is an 80GB IBM EIDE hardrive with UDMA66 Celeron 500 686class 512M Ram I have about 80% disk cap still open On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Jon Carnes wrote: > Could you give us a description of the hardware your server runs on? > > I have a feeling that you need to upgrade. You really need to run off a > fast SCSI disk subsystem with lots of open space. > > Jon Carnes > > On Tuesday 04 December 2001 22:35, Tass Chapman wrote: > > I am running Mailman 2.0.6 on a FreeBSD 4.3 box, and I have a list of > > some 10K addresses or so. > > > > Is there a quicker way to remove members than the UI or the > > remove_members tool? I can quickly use emacs to load and find the email > > in the config.db, but I am not sure of the syntax and am rather loathe to > > just delete at will. > > > > Currently an attempt to unsub via the web fails (timesout) and it > > generally times out for Admin as well. remove_members takes about 50 mins > > or so... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- |Tass Chapman| tass at kenderhome.com : PGP key @ pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 | | http://www.kenderhome.com : KEYID: 0x5BC152A1 | |ICQ UIN:394570 | -- From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Dec 5 15:12:17 2001 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:12:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hello, and a couple of questions Message-ID: Hi, I just installed Mailman on an elderly Pentium box (P200, 64 MB RAM, Red Hat 7.1) on which we plan to start running a few informational newsletters (~3x400 subs). Now, we're going to introduce Mailman to our potential listadmins, does anyone know if there is a/ a step-by-step instruction for setting up a list (not the manual, I've read it) b/ a Swedish translations of the docs. mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." From gwolosh at njit.edu Wed Dec 5 16:19:07 2001 From: gwolosh at njit.edu (Gedaliah Wolosh) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:19:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird Behavior Message-ID: I recently upgraded mailman from 2.0.2 to 2.0.8. I performed the upgrade by sucessively patching the source and running make install. I checked a few lists and all looked well. One of my large lists which is set up as an announce-only lost all of its privacy cusotmizations. Password reminders were sent out. Posts went to the list instead of the moderator. I spoke to the list admin who swears he didn't make any changes. None of my other lists exhibited this behavior. Does anybody have experience with an upgrade corrupting a list like this. _________________________________________________________________ Gedaliah Wolosh, Ph.D. 973 596-5437 New Jersey Institute of Technology Fax 596-2306 323 King Blvd GITC 2203 gwolosh at njit.edu Newark, NJ 07102 From cpowell at asciences.com Wed Dec 5 16:48:56 2001 From: cpowell at asciences.com (Camille K. Powell) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:48:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change digest mailing time Message-ID: Does anyone know an online resource that discusses how to make modifications to Mailman field tags? I want to change the text of some of the Mailman fields. Thank you. Camille From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Dec 5 17:52:59 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:52:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011204223323.00b06820@mail.kenderhome.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011204223323.00b06820@mail.kenderhome.com> Message-ID: <20011205115259.A2418@mems-exchange.org> On 04 December 2001, Tass Chapman said: > Is there a quicker way to remove members than the UI or the remove_members > tool? I can quickly use emacs to load and find the email in the config.db, > but I am not sure of the syntax and am rather loathe to just delete at will. Aieee!! Don't do this -- you will completely hose Mailman's configuration for that list. config.db is a binary file, you can't edit it with a text editor. Hmmm... I wonder if a lot of the problems with people who have corrupted config.db files arises from them editing it with Emacs, and then wondering why Mailman crashes whenever it tries to load it. Should remember to ask "Did you edit this file with a text editor?" next time someone complains of tracebacks in marshal.load(). Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From tass at kenderhome.com Wed Dec 5 18:19:06 2001 From: tass at kenderhome.com (Tass) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: <20011205115259.A2418@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: I don't WANT to it as I suspect it woudl be bad.. but the time wait is getting to be insane at times. My current solution has been to copy it the config.db to a system that deos not emailing (or much of anything else) and do the work there then copy it back.. ugly .,. but I managed to get it sorted out... On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Greg Ward wrote: > On 04 December 2001, Tass Chapman said: > > Is there a quicker way to remove members than the UI or the remove_members > > tool? I can quickly use emacs to load and find the email in the config.db, > > but I am not sure of the syntax and am rather loathe to just delete at will. > > Aieee!! Don't do this -- you will completely hose Mailman's > configuration for that list. config.db is a binary file, you can't edit > it with a text editor. > > Hmmm... I wonder if a lot of the problems with people who have corrupted > config.db files arises from them editing it with Emacs, and then > wondering why Mailman crashes whenever it tries to load it. Should > remember to ask "Did you edit this file with a text editor?" next time > someone complains of tracebacks in marshal.load(). > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- |Tass Chapman| tass at kenderhome.com : PGP key @ pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 | | http://www.kenderhome.com : KEYID: 0x5BC152A1 | |ICQ UIN:394570 | -- From claw at kanga.nu Wed Dec 5 18:59:19 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:59:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: Message from Tass of "Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:28:53 EST." References: Message-ID: <8062.1007575159@kanga.nu> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:28:53 -0500 (EST) tass wrote: > SCSI alas is not an option (which is where I think the bottleneck > is). It is an 80GB IBM EIDE hardrive with UDMA66 Celeron 500 > 686class 512M Ram Its a little difficult to say much without knowing how much list traffic you'd be dealing with or what your outbound bandwidth is. Assuming reasonable outbound bandwidth (T1+), a posting rate of ~10 messages a day, and ~10% slow MX'es, I'd: -- set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be reasonably large (in the 50 - 100 range) -- make sure I had a local cacheing nameserver installed (recommend: pdnsd) -- tune my MTA to be sensitive to system load. Using Exim as the MTA would make this particularly easy. -- tune the MTA for rapid fall-offs for slow MX'es and hard bounces no later than 4 days (as per RFC recommendation). Note that running a 10K member list on such hardware is not inherently a problem. It can and should work quite nice without much stress or strain. It all really depends on two things: 1) How busy the list is 2) What your percentage of slow MX'es is (which controls what your average queue size is). The less saturated the system is, the more attractive Postfix is as an MTA. Nicely enough, Postfix is fast enough and clever enough in its spool handling that it will delay the saturation point significantly. However, if you are at or near saturation point the Exim's queue handling will be a lot nicer to you and your system, with its graceful fall-offs for system load. > I have about 80% disk cap still open If you can, throw another disk in there, then put /var/spool/ on it and put it on a __different___ IO chain from your main drive. This will reduce IO and head contention for your mail spool. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From tass at kenderhome.com Wed Dec 5 19:29:11 2001 From: tass at kenderhome.com (Tass) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:29:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: <8062.1007575159@kanga.nu> Message-ID: My issue is not with its sending speed (in fact it still nice and fast) but with sheer management issues. It is a 10K+ list that is for outgoing announcements.. 1-4 week of about 4K... DNS and MTA are non issues.. I have my own name servers and a heavily customized PostFix as well as softupdate on the spool ... so mail goes out fast .. my issues are just with trying to do member operation ... it would nice if you could split it up into smaller sets or have some direct edit tool that may be faster than remover_members seems to be. On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:28:53 -0500 (EST) > tass wrote: > > > SCSI alas is not an option (which is where I think the bottleneck > > is). It is an 80GB IBM EIDE hardrive with UDMA66 Celeron 500 > > 686class 512M Ram > > Its a little difficult to say much without knowing how much list > traffic you'd be dealing with or what your outbound bandwidth is. > Assuming reasonable outbound bandwidth (T1+), a posting rate of > ~10 messages a day, and ~10% slow MX'es, I'd: > > -- set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be reasonably large (in the 50 - 100 > range) > > -- make sure I had a local cacheing nameserver installed > (recommend: pdnsd) > > -- tune my MTA to be sensitive to system load. Using Exim as the > MTA would make this particularly easy. > > -- tune the MTA for rapid fall-offs for slow MX'es and hard > bounces no later than 4 days (as per RFC recommendation). > > Note that running a 10K member list on such hardware is not > inherently a problem. It can and should work quite nice without > much stress or strain. It all really depends on two things: > > 1) How busy the list is > > 2) What your percentage of slow MX'es is (which controls what your > average queue size is). > > The less saturated the system is, the more attractive Postfix is as > an MTA. Nicely enough, Postfix is fast enough and clever enough in > its spool handling that it will delay the saturation point > significantly. However, if you are at or near saturation point the > Exim's queue handling will be a lot nicer to you and your system, > with its graceful fall-offs for system load. > > > I have about 80% disk cap still open > > If you can, throw another disk in there, then put /var/spool/ > on it and put it on a __different___ IO chain from your main drive. > This will reduce IO and head contention for your mail spool. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > -- |Tass Chapman| tass at kenderhome.com : PGP key @ pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 | | http://www.kenderhome.com : KEYID: 0x5BC152A1 | |ICQ UIN:394570 | -- From claw at kanga.nu Wed Dec 5 19:17:55 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:17:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: Message from Tass of "Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:29:11 EST." References: Message-ID: <8607.1007576275@kanga.nu> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:29:11 -0500 (EST) tass wrote: > my issues are just with trying to do member operation ... it would > nice if you could split it up into smaller sets or have some > direct edit tool that may be faster than remover_members seems to > be. Aye, that's an area that could do with improvement. Your best choice may be when Mailman 2.1 rolls, to move to that and then use an external storage system for your membership DB (ala SQL, LDAP, etc). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From ridalski at nandomedia.com Wed Dec 5 19:16:45 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:16:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] certain queues hanging in qfiles dir... In-Reply-To: <8062.1007575159@kanga.nu> Message-ID: I'm running mailman 2.0.6, with sendmail, on a freebsd 4.3 box. And everything seems to be working almost perfectly, however every so often a random queue file will just sit in /home/mailman/qfiles. The other queues will be processed around it, but that one will just stay. It's happening for a few of my lists, but the majority send with no problems. I saw no discernable errors about it in /home/mailman/logs/error, or anywhere else. COuld there be something wrong with the .msg, or .db files for that lists. Errors in the headers or something?Where would I begin to look for such things? -Thanks, Richard Idalski Sys Admin Nando Media ridalski at nandomedia.com From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Dec 5 19:15:55 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:15:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/5/01 10:29 AM, "Tass" wrote: > my issues are just with trying to do member operation .. How long does it take to add/delete an individual member? FWIW, in my experience, the delay isn't mailman. It's disk I/O. Almost all of the time spent in this operation is in Disk I/O. From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 5 19:45:51 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations References: <8062.1007575159@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <00bd01c17dbd$1039a9f0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Let's not solve the wrong problem here. The problem as stated is that it takes too long to edit the config.db file. So long in fact, that it can no longer be done via the web interface. Contributing factors to this are the size of the list, hence the size of the database, the disk subsystem the database is stored on, and to a minor degree the CPU and memory of the box. One possible solution is to split the database into smaller parts. You could create 26 databases and move the users into the database that corresponded to the first letter of their email. Then you would change your old list into an umbrella list that simply relayed mail to these 26 other lists. This would be a royal pain to setup, but fairly easy to maintain. - Allow folks to subscribe to the main umbrella list. No "welcome" or password reminders from the main list. - Run a script hourly to output then new users of the main list and that subscribes them to the proper sub-list, and then removes them from the main list. - Each sub-list sends out the welcome and the password reminders. Of course the easiest solution is to add an LVD SCSI chain to your server and move the volumes over to that disk subsystem. This should give a 8x to 20x improvement in speed. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "J C Lawrence" To: "Tass" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:28:53 -0500 (EST) > tass wrote: > > > SCSI alas is not an option (which is where I think the bottleneck > > is). It is an 80GB IBM EIDE hardrive with UDMA66 Celeron 500 > > 686class 512M Ram > > Its a little difficult to say much without knowing how much list > traffic you'd be dealing with or what your outbound bandwidth is. > Assuming reasonable outbound bandwidth (T1+), a posting rate of > ~10 messages a day, and ~10% slow MX'es, I'd: > > -- set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to be reasonably large (in the 50 - 100 > range) > > -- make sure I had a local cacheing nameserver installed > (recommend: pdnsd) > > -- tune my MTA to be sensitive to system load. Using Exim as the > MTA would make this particularly easy. > > -- tune the MTA for rapid fall-offs for slow MX'es and hard > bounces no later than 4 days (as per RFC recommendation). > > Note that running a 10K member list on such hardware is not > inherently a problem. It can and should work quite nice without > much stress or strain. It all really depends on two things: > > 1) How busy the list is > > 2) What your percentage of slow MX'es is (which controls what your > average queue size is). > > The less saturated the system is, the more attractive Postfix is as > an MTA. Nicely enough, Postfix is fast enough and clever enough in > its spool handling that it will delay the saturation point > significantly. However, if you are at or near saturation point the > Exim's queue handling will be a lot nicer to you and your system, > with its graceful fall-offs for system load. > > > I have about 80% disk cap still open > > If you can, throw another disk in there, then put /var/spool/ > on it and put it on a __different___ IO chain from your main drive. > This will reduce IO and head contention for your mail spool. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 5 19:50:42 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] certain queues hanging in qfiles dir... References: Message-ID: <00c901c17dbd$bdc379c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> There is a problem with certain headers that is corrected in v2.07 of Mailman (which is now at v2.08). For now, try to delete (or move to a temp directory) the next message in that queue waiting to be processed (take a good guess). Later, when you have time, upgrade to version 2.08 Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] certain queues hanging in qfiles dir... > > > I'm running mailman 2.0.6, with sendmail, on a freebsd 4.3 box. And > everything seems to be working almost perfectly, however every so often a > random queue file will just sit in /home/mailman/qfiles. The other queues > will be processed around it, but that one will just stay. It's happening for > a few of my lists, but the majority send with no problems. I saw no > discernable errors about it in /home/mailman/logs/error, or anywhere else. > COuld there be something wrong with the .msg, or .db files for that lists. > Errors in the headers or something?Where would I begin to look for such > things? > > -Thanks, > > Richard Idalski > Sys Admin > Nando Media > ridalski at nandomedia.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jmeurer at gmx.de Wed Dec 5 20:53:09 2001 From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:53:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms-error: ImportError: No module named paths Message-ID: <20011205205309.A18571@testsystem.server0.de> Hey ho, I've a strange error in bin/check_perms after ./configurue --with-mail-gid=8 --with-cgi-gid=www-data make install bin/check_perms: Could not import paths! This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 38, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths bin/check_perms -f as root didn't help ;( Bye Jonas -- Pinky: "What are we going to do tonight, Brain?" Brain: "The same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to install Windows 95!" From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 5 20:01:32 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms-error: ImportError: No module named paths References: <20011205205309.A18571@testsystem.server0.de> Message-ID: <00e701c17dbf$412f50d0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Do you have the file: bin/paths.py: === # This file becomes paths.py which is installed in may directories. By # importing this module, sys.path gets `hacked' so that the $prefix/Mailman # directory is inserted at the start of that list. That directory really # contains the Mailman modules in package form. This file exports two # attributes that other modules may use to get the absolute path to the # installed Mailman distribution. # some scripts expect this attribute to be in this module prefix = '/home/mailman' exec_prefix = '${prefix}' # work around a bogus autoconf 2.12 bug if exec_prefix == '${prefix}': exec_prefix = prefix # hack the path to include the parent directory of the $prefix/Mailman package # directory. import sys sys.path.insert(0, prefix) === If so, is the prefix setup properly? Are the rights setup properly? -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1531 Jan 9 2001 paths.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 255 Jan 9 2001 paths.pyc Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Meurer" To: "mailman-users" Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms-error: ImportError: No module named paths > Hey ho, > I've a strange error in bin/check_perms after > ./configurue --with-mail-gid=8 --with-cgi-gid=www-data > make install > > bin/check_perms: > Could not import paths! > > This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source > directory. You must run this from the installation directory instead. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 38, in ? > import paths > ImportError: No module named paths > > bin/check_perms -f as root didn't help ;( > > Bye > Jonas > > -- > Pinky: "What are we going to do tonight, Brain?" > Brain: "The same thing we do every night, Pinky: > try to install Windows 95!" > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jmeurer at gmx.de Wed Dec 5 21:15:45 2001 From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:15:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms-error: ImportError: No module named paths In-Reply-To: <00e701c17dbf$412f50d0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <20011205205309.A18571@testsystem.server0.de> <00e701c17dbf$412f50d0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011205211545.A18677@testsystem.server0.de> On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 02:01:32PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > Do you have the file: bin/paths.py: > [...] > sys.path.insert(0, prefix) > === > If so, is the prefix setup properly? Are the rights setup properly? > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1531 Jan 9 2001 paths.py > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 255 Jan 9 2001 paths.pyc Everythings like you wrote ;( Bye Jonas -- Pinky: "What are we going to do tonight, Brain?" Brain: "The same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to install Windows 95!" From ridalski at nandomedia.com Wed Dec 5 20:50:35 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:50:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] certain queues hanging in qfiles dir... In-Reply-To: <00c901c17dbd$bdc379c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: I may have jumped the gun on this. The files in question are staying in queue, but I'm getting reports from some of the subscribers that they are being recieved multiple times, even though the file stil resides in the qfiles dir, as if it hasn't been processed. This may be a seperate issue that I'm still investigating. But as far as the first Issue goes, aside from upgrading to v2.07 or .08 is there anything I can do immediatly to see about resolving this? Any scripts or files, I can edit, or headers I can change? Upgrading is an option, but I also need a way to get these lists out today. Thanks Again, Richard Idalski Sys Admin Nando Media ridalski at nandomedia.com -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jon Carnes Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:51 PM To: Richard Idalski; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] certain queues hanging in qfiles dir... There is a problem with certain headers that is corrected in v2.07 of Mailman (which is now at v2.08). For now, try to delete (or move to a temp directory) the next message in that queue waiting to be processed (take a good guess). Later, when you have time, upgrade to version 2.08 Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] certain queues hanging in qfiles dir... > > > I'm running mailman 2.0.6, with sendmail, on a freebsd 4.3 box. And > everything seems to be working almost perfectly, however every so often a > random queue file will just sit in /home/mailman/qfiles. The other queues > will be processed around it, but that one will just stay. It's happening for > a few of my lists, but the majority send with no problems. I saw no > discernable errors about it in /home/mailman/logs/error, or anywhere else. > COuld there be something wrong with the .msg, or .db files for that lists. > Errors in the headers or something?Where would I begin to look for such > things? > > -Thanks, > > Richard Idalski > Sys Admin > Nando Media > ridalski at nandomedia.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jmeurer at gmx.de Wed Dec 5 22:35:42 2001 From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:35:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check-perms-error: ImportError: No module named paths In-Reply-To: <20011205211545.A18677@testsystem.server0.de> References: <20011205205309.A18571@testsystem.server0.de> <00e701c17dbf$412f50d0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20011205211545.A18677@testsystem.server0.de> Message-ID: <20011205223542.A19687@testsystem.server0.de> On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 09:15:45PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote: > > Everythings like you wrote ;( Ok, sorry. The problem was silly: I didn't run the check_perms-script from $prefix-directory ;) Bye Jonas -- Pinky: "What are we going to do tonight, Brain?" Brain: "The same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to install Windows 95!" From mark at knm.org Wed Dec 5 23:48:48 2001 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:48:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] online cgi posting Message-ID: <200112052248.fB5MmmO01303@home.knm.org> Does mailman have a feature where users can reply to messages, or start new threads, with a CGI form in the pipermail archives? A useful companion feature would be the ability to have subscribers who don't actually receive a copy of the mailing list traffic. Thanks, Mark From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 6 00:16:39 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:16:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] returned mails.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Should returned and undeliverable mail that gets sent back to my list server show back up in /home/mailman/qfiles? I'm getting the occasional burstof returned mail, and it's filling up my queue. Is this what's supposed to be happening, after migrating over to a new lists server I know I'm getting more returned mails than normal, but is this the proprer place for them to be comeing back to, to get re-processed by mailman, and sent to the respective list owners? I'm trying to narrow down just how many problems I'm dealing with here. Thanks, Richard Idalski From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 00:31:00 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:31:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] online cgi posting In-Reply-To: Message from Mark Lehrer of "Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:48:48 MST." <200112052248.fB5MmmO01303@home.knm.org> References: <200112052248.fB5MmmO01303@home.knm.org> Message-ID: <17715.1007595060@kanga.nu> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:48:48 -0700 Mark Lehrer wrote: > Does mailman have a feature where users can reply to messages, or > start new threads, with a CGI form in the pipermail archives? No. I've implemented this externally however via MhonArc and PHP. See the list archives or Mailman FAQ for details. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From kpronk at csar.nl Thu Dec 6 01:12:21 2001 From: kpronk at csar.nl (C:SAR Computers) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:12:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only (closed), mailinglist with auto-reject Message-ID: <00a001c17dea$acda2000$020aa8c0@csardesktop> Is there a way to make a *closed* mailinglist with mailman? When I set my emailaddress in "posters"; set "Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)" to NO and set "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO, I don't get anymore messages from members, having posted to the list and awaiting approval, but those messages are still there (waiting for approval, or rejection). Is there a way to make mailman auto-reject all messages to the list (when sent from other emailadresses than listed in "posters")? Please help me out here... Regards, Kevin Pronk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011206/12f9103f/attachment.html From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 6 01:16:27 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:16:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing messages. It seems that if the MTA has trouble resolving DNS for any recipients, qrunner just gets really slow clearing the queue. Any ideas? A. What's likely happening is that your MTA is doing DNS resolution on recipients for messages delivered locally (i.e. from Mailman to your MTA via SMTPDirect.py). This is a Bad Thing. You need to turn off synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host. In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM for details. Other MTAs have (of course) different parameters and defaults that control this. First check the README file for your MTA and then consult your MTA's own documentation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm thinking this may be the case on my server, But looking through the .cf file, and the docs that I can find I don't see a reference to this for sendmail. Anyone else running sendmail know where I'd find this and disable it if it is the case? Richard From kpronk at csar.nl Thu Dec 6 01:26:38 2001 From: kpronk at csar.nl (C:SAR Computers) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:26:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejection for closed mailinglists Message-ID: <001301c17dec$ab3dc330$020aa8c0@csardesktop> Is there a way to make a *closed* mailinglist with mailman? When I set my emailaddress in "posters"; set "Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)" = to NO and set "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO, I don't get anymore messages from members, having posted to the list and = awaiting approval, but those messages are still there (waiting for = approval, or rejection). Is there a way to make mailman auto-reject all = messages to the list (when sent from other emailadresses than listed in = "posters")? Please help me out here... Regards, Kevin Pronk From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 02:21:10 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:21:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: Message from "Richard Idalski" of "Wed, 05 Dec 2001 19:16:27 EST." References: Message-ID: <19925.1007601670@kanga.nu> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:16:27 -0500 Richard Idalski wrote: > Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing > messages. I've wrapped a FAQ item about this at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.011.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From b.zimmermann at mediascape.de Wed Dec 5 09:22:24 2001 From: b.zimmermann at mediascape.de (Dr. Bernd Zimmermann) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:22:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error References: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A151E3A7E4@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> Message-ID: <3C0DD940.A29C65FC@mediascape.de> I have a similar problem with smrsh: When I disable smrsh in sendmail all works fine, but wiht smrsh I got a "local configuration error" mail from sendmail. In sendmail.mc smrsh is activated: FEATURE(smrsh, `/usr/lib/sm.bin/smrsh')dnl In /usr/lib/sm.bin/smrsh the link to wrapper is created like the installation maual requires but it dont work. I am using debian. In the INSTALL file is written not to use /usr/lib/sm.bin because it is an error in debain. Instead one should use /usr/admin/sm.bin, but this dont work at all - because of config in sendmail.mc. Why ? Any hints ?? Kind regards, Bernd "Lynn, Michael (DCS)" wrote: > > David, > > /usr/sbin/smrsh is an executable... you probably wanted to > cd /etc/smrsh before symbolically linking. > > Regards, > Mike > > Michael Lynn > Platform Architect > Merrill Lynch > 201.557.4555 > 917.941.7964 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnson David R [mailto:david.johnson at hamptonu.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:08 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error > > The original message was received at Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:57:38 -0500 > from washington.hamptonu.edu [137.198.11.25] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug" > (reason: service unavailable) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 5.0.0 "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug"... Service > unavailable > > what is going wrong here? i already created the symbolic link from > /usr/sbin/smrsh > > cd /usr/sbin/smrsh > ln -s /var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper > > and restarted the sendmail service. What have i not done? > > David Johnson | Network Administrator | Linux Systems Admin > Hampton University | Hampton, Va. | 23666 > 757.728.6528 [office] | 757.360.8958 [pager] > davidr.johnson at hamptonu.edu [email] > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From info at Konrad-Online.de Wed Dec 5 18:47:34 2001 From: info at Konrad-Online.de (Konrad-Online) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:47:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error message from Mailman Message-ID: Hello, we have Mailman in use an we have a problem. We have added about 15.000 members in a list and wenn we try to add another member, we receive a error message. Is there a max. number of members in a list or counld this be a problem of our webserver? It would be really nice if you could help us. Best regards Reiner Errormessage: ------------ Bug in Mailman version 2.0.7 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. Errorlog: --------- Dec 05 00:00:35 2001 admin(41399): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(41399): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.7 -----] admin(41399): [----- Traceback ------] admin(41399): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(41399): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(41399): main() admin(41399): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 152, in main admin(41399): ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc) admin(41399): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 897, in ChangeOptions admin(41399): digest, send_welcome_msg) admin(41399): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1124, in ApprovedAddMembers admin(41399): self.Save() admin(41399): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save admin(41399): self.__save(dict) admin(41399): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 816, in __save admin(41399): fp.write(marshal.dumps(dict)) admin(41399): MemoryError admin(41399): [----- Python Information -----] admin(41399): sys.version = 2.1.1 (#1, Nov 14 2001, 13:23:13) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] admin(41399): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python admin(41399): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(41399): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local admin(41399): sys.path = /usr/local admin(41399): sys.platform = freebsd4 admin(41399): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(41399): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/etc/httpd/vhosts/aardon admin(41399): SERVER_ADDR: 213.198.74.14 admin(41399): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate admin(41399): CONTENT_LENGTH: 129992 admin(41399): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form- urlencoded admin(41399): PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/local/etc/httpd/vhosts/aardon/partnerprogramme/members admin(41399): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6a (Unix) PHP/4.0.4pl1 admin(41399): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(41399): HTTP_COOKIE: partnerprogramme:admin=2802000000690bc50d3c732802303730 32304635323164337716263536623523562656466633293261303064 39626333363964643138 admin(41399): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: de admin(41399): REMOTE_ADDR: 213.20.224.225 admin(41399): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(41399): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(41399): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) admin(41399): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */* admin(41399): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/partnerprogramme/members admin(41399): HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache admin(41399): QUERY_STRING: admin(41399): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(41399): USER: aardon admin(41399): HTTP_HOST: aardon.de admin(41399): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(41399): SERVER_SIGNATURE: admin(41399): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin admin(41399): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at aardon.de admin(41399): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi- bin/admin admin(41399): PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman admin(41399): PATH_INFO: /partnerprogramme/members admin(41399): HTTP_REFERER: http://aardon.de/mailman/admin/partnerprogramme/members admin(41399): SERVER_NAME: www.aardon.de admin(41399): REMOTE_PORT: 3041 Dec 05 00:51:53 2001 admin(46487): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(46487): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.7 -----] admin(46487): [----- Traceback ------] admin(46487): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(46487): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(46487): main() admin(46487): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 152, in main admin(46487): ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc) admin(46487): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 897, in ChangeOptions admin(46487): digest, send_welcome_msg) admin(46487): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1124, in ApprovedAddMembers admin(46487): self.Save() admin(46487): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save admin(46487): self.__save(dict) admin(46487): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 816, in __save admin(46487): fp.write(marshal.dumps(dict)) admin(46487): MemoryError admin(46487): [----- Python Information -----] admin(46487): sys.version = 2.1.1 (#1, Nov 14 2001, 13:23:13) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] admin(46487): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python admin(46487): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(46487): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local admin(46487): sys.path = /usr/local admin(46487): sys.platform = freebsd4 admin(46487): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(46487): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/etc/httpd/vhosts/aardon admin(46487): SERVER_ADDR: 213.198.74.14 admin(46487): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate admin(46487): CONTENT_LENGTH: 262380 admin(46487): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form- urlencoded admin(46487): PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/local/etc/httpd/vhosts/aardon/partnerprogramme/members admin(46487): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6a (Unix) PHP/4.0.4pl1 admin(46487): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(46487): HTTP_COOKIE: partnerprogramme:admin=2802000000690bc50d3c732802303730 32304635323164337716263536623523562656466633293261303064 39626333363964643138 admin(46487): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: de admin(46487): REMOTE_ADDR: 213.20.224.31 admin(46487): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(46487): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(46487): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) admin(46487): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */* admin(46487): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/partnerprogramme/members admin(46487): HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache admin(46487): QUERY_STRING: admin(46487): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(46487): USER: aardon admin(46487): HTTP_HOST: aardon.de admin(46487): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(46487): SERVER_SIGNATURE: admin(46487): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin admin(46487): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at aardon.de admin(46487): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi- bin/admin admin(46487): PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman admin(46487): PATH_INFO: /partnerprogramme/members admin(46487): HTTP_REFERER: http://aardon.de/mailman/admin/partnerprogramme/members admin(46487): SERVER_NAME: www.aardon.de admin(46487): REMOTE_PORT: 3215 From george_blazer at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 23:29:23 2001 From: george_blazer at yahoo.com (George Blazer) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:29:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about Mailman Message-ID: <20011205222923.71681.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Could you please tell me ? does Mailman work for Win 2000? Thanks much ===== Sincerely, George Blazer E-mail: george_blazer at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From kpronk at rentone.nl Thu Dec 6 01:08:53 2001 From: kpronk at rentone.nl (RentOne.nl (K.A. Pronk)) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:08:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only (closed) mailinglist Message-ID: <008201c17dea$31232290$020aa8c0@csardesktop> Is there a way to make a *closed* mailinglist with mailman? When I set my emailaddress in "posters"; set "Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)" to NO and set "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO, I don't get anymore messages from members, having posted to the list and awaiting approval, but those messages are still there (waiting for approval, or rejection). 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011206/e3813750/attachment.htm From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 6 04:09:58 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:09:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only (closed), mailinglist with auto-reject In-Reply-To: <00a001c17dea$acda2000$020aa8c0@csardesktop> References: <00a001c17dea$acda2000$020aa8c0@csardesktop> Message-ID: <01120522095800.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp On Wednesday 05 December 2001 19:12, C:SAR Computers wrote: > Is there a way to make a *closed* mailinglist with mailman? > > When I set my emailaddress in "posters"; > set "Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)" > to NO and set "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO, > > I don't get anymore messages from members, having posted to the list and > awaiting approval, but those messages are still there (waiting for > approval, or rejection). Is there a way to make mailman auto-reject all > messages to the list (when sent from other emailadresses than listed in > "posters")? > > Please help me out here... > > Regards, > > Kevin Pronk ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From stephen at xemacs.org Thu Dec 6 04:14:46 2001 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: 06 Dec 2001 12:14:46 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Lists manipulations In-Reply-To: <20011205115259.A2418@mems-exchange.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011204223323.00b06820@mail.kenderhome.com> <20011205115259.A2418@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <87snap11ll.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Greg" == Greg Ward writes: Greg> On 04 December 2001, Tass Chapman said: >> Is there a quicker way to remove members than the UI or the >> remove_members tool? I can quickly use emacs to load and find >> the email in the config.db, but I am not sure of the syntax and >> am rather loathe to just delete at will. Greg> Aieee!! Don't do this -- you will completely hose Mailman's Greg> configuration for that list. config.db is a binary file, Greg> you can't edit it with a text editor. Well, write and distribute an emacs mode for it. Here's proof of concept: ;;; mailman-db-mode.el --- help the user to correctly edit config.db ;; This is in the public domain, the author does not want to be ;; associated with such shamelessness in any way shape or form. ;; Please delete the post after reading. ;; This will crash your default-configured Emacs. No other warranty, ;; express or implied, is provided. (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("config\\.db$" . mailman-db-mode)) (defun mailman-db-mode () "Convenient, efficient access to your Mailman list configuration databases." (message "Not implemented yet. Use Mailman instead. Or implement me.") (sleep-for 2) (message "This will teach you not to try to edit binary files!") (sleep-for 2) ;; we are not a destructive virus, be careful of user data (save-buffers-kill-emacs 'dont-ask)) ;;; end mailman-db-mode.el -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Don't ask how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From MLynn at exchange.ml.com Thu Dec 6 04:54:41 2001 From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS)) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:54:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A151E3A801@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> In /etc/mail/sendmail.mc you should have: FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh')dnl #(your smrsh may be installed in another dir) This feature enables sendmail to use sendmail restricted shell. Sendmail simply references the FEATURE value when attempting to execute programs in the aliases. First, let's check where your smrsh is located ... using find or which. it should be in the directory referenced above in the sendmail.mc file. If it's not there then modify the FEATURE statement to point to the location. ---snip [root at phaedrus mail]# cd / [root at phaedrus /]# find . -name smrsh -print ./etc/smrsh ./usr/sbin/smrsh ---snip The first directory is the working directory... the second is the executable. Like I said before - yours may be different so execute the find and see where they are for you. When you have smrsh enabled in sendmail.mc - you should then link the wrapper to mailman thusly: ---snip [root at phaedrus mail]# ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper [root at phaedrus mail]# ls -l /etc/smrsh total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Nov 30 13:11 wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper ---snip make sure you replace /home/mailman/mail/wrapper with the path to your actual wrapper. This worked for me - I hope it works for you. Regarding the fact that the INSTALL on debian has a problem - I cannot help you there - I am using RedHat. It really should not matter however, once you locate the two things you need - the smrsh working directory and the actual shell executable (smrsh) - then put the reference to the executable into the sendmail.mc. Good Luck - Let me know how you make out. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Bernd Zimmermann [mailto:b.zimmermann at mediascape.de] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:22 AM To: Lynn, Michael (DCS) Cc: 'Johnson David R'; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error I have a similar problem with smrsh: When I disable smrsh in sendmail all works fine, but wiht smrsh I got a "local configuration error" mail from sendmail. In sendmail.mc smrsh is activated: FEATURE(smrsh, `/usr/lib/sm.bin/smrsh')dnl In /usr/lib/sm.bin/smrsh the link to wrapper is created like the installation maual requires but it dont work. I am using debian. In the INSTALL file is written not to use /usr/lib/sm.bin because it is an error in debain. Instead one should use /usr/admin/sm.bin, but this dont work at all - because of config in sendmail.mc. Why ? Any hints ?? Kind regards, Bernd "Lynn, Michael (DCS)" wrote: > > David, > > /usr/sbin/smrsh is an executable... you probably wanted to > cd /etc/smrsh before symbolically linking. > > Regards, > Mike > > Michael Lynn > Platform Architect > Merrill Lynch > 201.557.4555 > 917.941.7964 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnson David R [mailto:david.johnson at hamptonu.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:08 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error > > The original message was received at Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:57:38 -0500 > from washington.hamptonu.edu [137.198.11.25] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug" > (reason: service unavailable) > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 5.0.0 "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug"... Service > unavailable > > what is going wrong here? i already created the symbolic link from > /usr/sbin/smrsh > > cd /usr/sbin/smrsh > ln -s /var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper > > and restarted the sendmail service. What have i not done? > > David Johnson | Network Administrator | Linux Systems Admin > Hampton University | Hampton, Va. | 23666 > 757.728.6528 [office] | 757.360.8958 [pager] > davidr.johnson at hamptonu.edu [email] > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From bob at nleaudio.com Thu Dec 6 05:43:24 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:43:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] online cgi posting References: Message-ID: <3C0EF76C.3F4BD5E0@nleaudio.com> I was going to implement this, and I still may in the future. What I did was to make the link at the top of the message (ReplyTo) be a real reply-to, with the subject and message ID embedded into the link. This works as long as the user has a mail client on their system installed and linked through their browser. This probably accounts for 50% of the users. Not perfect, but at least something. I'll be posing my mods sometime when I have time to clean everything up. Bob From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 06:28:55 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 21:28:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about Mailman In-Reply-To: Message from George Blazer of "Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:29:23 PST." <20011205222923.71681.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011205222923.71681.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23312.1007616535@kanga.nu> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:29:23 -0800 (PST) George Blazer wrote: > Could you please tell me ? does Mailman work for Win 2000? Not currently, and no current plans or interest in that direction. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 06:32:50 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 21:32:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] online cgi posting In-Reply-To: Message from "Bob Puff@NLE" of "Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:43:24 EST." <3C0EF76C.3F4BD5E0@nleaudio.com> References: <3C0EF76C.3F4BD5E0@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <23380.1007616770@kanga.nu> On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:43:24 -0500 bob > wrote: > This works as long as the user has a mail client on their system > installed and linked through their browser. This probably > accounts for 50% of the users. Not perfect, but at least > something. ObNote: While useful, this make quoting the original message rather difficult. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From bob at nleaudio.com Thu Dec 6 07:24:00 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] online cgi posting References: <3C0EF76C.3F4BD5E0@nleaudio.com> <23380.1007616770@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3C0F0F00.194FDB37@nleaudio.com> J C Lawrence wrote: > > ObNote: While useful, this make quoting the original message rather > difficult. That is true. The whole deal of being able to quote the original message is a bit messy. Do you make a form on the bottom of each and every message, with a text box pre-loaded with the quoted message? If so, you increase the html size of each message to at least 2x. Then the user has to forcefully delete quoted stuff. Another possible way is to use some javascript and have a button do this for you. Any other ideas? I hate the idea of making the messages any bigger than they need to be, but I suppose it is only text... Just that it is so nice and quick now, even over dialups. Bob From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 07:35:38 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] online cgi posting In-Reply-To: Message from "Bob Puff@NLE" of "Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:24:00 EST." <3C0F0F00.194FDB37@nleaudio.com> References: <3C0EF76C.3F4BD5E0@nleaudio.com> <23380.1007616770@kanga.nu> <3C0F0F00.194FDB37@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <24363.1007620538@kanga.nu> On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:24:00 -0500 bob > wrote: > J C Lawrence wrote: >> ObNote: While useful, this make quoting the original message >> rather difficult. > That is true. The whole deal of being able to quote the original > message is a bit messy. Do you make a form on the bottom of each > and every message, with a text box pre-loaded with the quoted > message? If so, you increase the html size of each message to at > least 2x. Then the user has to forcefully delete quoted stuff. You can see exactly what I do in any of the messages archived at Kanga.Nu (well, for lists run at KN). An example message posted thru the web interface: http://www.kanga.nu/archives/IRead-L/2001Q4/msg00000.php Hit the Reply link if you'd like to see the interface. > Another possible way is to use some javascript and have a button > do this for you. Any other ideas? Javascript is something I will not have in any site I have anything to do with. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From bob at nleaudio.com Thu Dec 6 08:37:53 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] online cgi posting References: <3C0EF76C.3F4BD5E0@nleaudio.com> <23380.1007616770@kanga.nu> <3C0F0F00.194FDB37@nleaudio.com> <24363.1007620538@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3C0F2051.1D6D18B1@nleaudio.com> Hi JC, Yeah, that's not bad! Only thing is you are depending on php to do the work for you... Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because I would suppose most people have that running on their Apache. Bob From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 08:43:24 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:43:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] online cgi posting In-Reply-To: Message from "Bob Puff@NLE" of "Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:37:53 EST." <3C0F2051.1D6D18B1@nleaudio.com> References: <3C0EF76C.3F4BD5E0@nleaudio.com> <23380.1007616770@kanga.nu> <3C0F0F00.194FDB37@nleaudio.com> <24363.1007620538@kanga.nu> <3C0F2051.1D6D18B1@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <27618.1007624604@kanga.nu> On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:37:53 -0500 bob > wrote: > Yeah, that's not bad! Thanks. > Only thing is you are depending on php to do the work for > you... PHP in this case does a lot of the heavy lifting for me. MHonArc merely devolves messages into files consisting of PHP variable assignments. PHP then takes those assignments, pours them thru templates etc to get the UI you saw. > Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because I would suppose most > people have that running on their Apache. Depends on what you're attempting to integrate it with. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From vincsaya at tin.it Thu Dec 6 09:47:10 2001 From: vincsaya at tin.it (vincsaya at tin.it) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 9:47:10 CET Subject: Rif: [Mailman-Users] Read-only (closed), mailinglist with auto-reject Message-ID: <20011206084710.RPWB26162.fep24-svc.tin.it@[127.0.0.1]> > spett.le ditta,amici della mailing list,dal mese di gennaio del 2002 sara' operativa in napoli in italia una nuuova forma di assistenza hardware,diciamo una specie di pony espress della informatica con assistenza on site per tutto il giorno,vorrei se fosse possibile il vostro aiuto per sviluppare ancora meeglio questa forma innovativa di infoassistenza,grato dei vs suggererimenti invio cordiali saluti Enzo Saya > Da: "C:SAR Computers" > Data: 06/12/2001 01:12 > A: > Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Read-only (closed), mailinglist with auto-reject > > Is there a way to make a *closed* mailinglist with mailman? > > When I set my emailaddress in "posters"; > set "Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)" to NO and > set "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO, > > I don't get anymore messages from members, having posted to the list and awaiting approval, but those messages are still there (waiting for approval, or rejection). Is there a way to make mailman auto-reject all messages to the list (when sent from other emailadresses than listed in "posters")? > > Please help me out here... > > Regards, > > Kevin Pronk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011206/1b905c00/attachment.html From vincsaya at tin.it Thu Dec 6 09:47:36 2001 From: vincsaya at tin.it (vincsaya at tin.it) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 9:47:36 CET Subject: Rif: [Mailman-Users] Read-only (closed), mailinglist with auto-reject Message-ID: <20011206084736.RQBV26162.fep24-svc.tin.it@[127.0.0.1]> > spett.le ditta,amici della mailing list,dal mese di gennaio del 2002 sara' operativa in napoli in italia una nuuova forma di assistenza hardware,diciamo una specie di pony espress della informatica con assistenza on site per tutto il giorno,vorrei se fosse possibile il vostro aiuto per sviluppare ancora meeglio questa forma innovativa di infoassistenza,grato dei vs suggererimenti invio cordiali saluti Enzo Saya > Da: "C:SAR Computers" > Data: 06/12/2001 01:12 > A: > Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Read-only (closed), mailinglist with auto-reject > > Is there a way to make a *closed* mailinglist with mailman? > > When I set my emailaddress in "posters"; > set "Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)" to NO and > set "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO, > > I don't get anymore messages from members, having posted to the list and awaiting approval, but those messages are still there (waiting for approval, or rejection). Is there a way to make mailman auto-reject all messages to the list (when sent from other emailadresses than listed in "posters")? > > Please help me out here... > > Regards, > > Kevin Pronk > > From jbarnes at usmale.org Thu Dec 6 13:15:40 2001 From: jbarnes at usmale.org (J. Barnes) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:15:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What did I do wrong? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011206071533.00a59ec0@mail.usmale.org> I know I've got a simple problem, I'm just not getting where I need to, and am tired of complaints from users. I've had mailman up and running for a month, but I needed it working before I had all the little questions like this worked out. I don't recall exactly what values I typed in during the install, but when messages come out from the list, the mailto: tags are correct, but the web page links are not correct. See the sample below. Where did I go wrong in the install? Can I fix it via the administration web page & where? (I tried changing the options on the bottom of the general screen and it doesn't save the change) hostname: mail.usmale.org base url: /mailman/ Do I need to fix it by rerunning the setup process? (this won't destroy the lists I have already setup. Right?) >Reply-To: test2 at hunter.usmale.org >List-Post: >List-Subscribe: , > >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: >_______________________________________________ >Test2 mailing list >Test2 at mail.usmale.org >http://www.usmale.org/mailman/listinfo/test2 From camel at lrllamas.com Thu Dec 6 13:21:48 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:21:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1 beta x Message-ID: <200112061221.fB6CLof10813@camel.lrllamas.com> What is the status of 2.1? safe to install/upgrade/use yet? -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br Thu Dec 6 14:31:58 2001 From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:31:58 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error log ... Message-ID: <021f01c17e5a$7a49d520$201e6a8f@ccuec.unicamp.br> Hi, fellows !!! Please, someone can help-me ?? My error log, in mailman 2.0.7, is freight with this lines : Dec 06 11:29:05 2001 (15688) Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected Dec 06 11:29:05 2001 (15688) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 199, in process MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in hold_for_approval mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage self.__opendb() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb self.__db = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected What I have to do ??? Tnks, Alessandro Luiz UNICAMP From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Dec 6 14:41:00 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 13:41:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What did I do wrong? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20011206071533.00a59ec0@mail.usmale.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011206133930.02fcd450@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 07:15 06/12/2001 -0500, J. Barnes wrote: >I know I've got a simple problem, I'm just not getting where I need to, >and am tired of complaints from users. I've had mailman up and running >for a month, but I needed it working before I had all the little questions >like this worked out. I don't recall exactly what values I typed in >during the install, but when messages come out from the list, the mailto: >tags are correct, but the web page links are not correct. See the sample >below. > >Where did I go wrong in the install? >Can I fix it via the administration web page & where? (I tried changing >the options on the bottom of the general screen and it doesn't save the change) >hostname: mail.usmale.org >base url: /mailman/ >Do I need to fix it by rerunning the setup process? (this won't destroy >the lists I have already setup. Right?) > >>Reply-To: test2 at hunter.usmale.org >>List-Post: >>List-Subscribe: , >> >>List-Unsubscribe: , >> >>List-Archive: >>_______________________________________________ >>Test2 mailing list >>Test2 at mail.usmale.org >>http://www.usmale.org/mailman/listinfo/test2 > You do not say what version of MM you are running but assuming you are using 2.0.X It is worth checking the contents of the INSTALL file in the directory you used to build Mailman. You should be able to check the parameters you supplied when running the ./configure of your installation by looking at the top of the file called config.status in the directory you used to build Mailman. Look in installed MM directory at $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py with a text editor and find the definitions of DEFAULT_HOST and DEFAULT_URL. From what you have said you probably want to override or set the values of DEFAULT_URL and possibly DEFAULT_HOST but do this in the file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py as explained in the INSTALL file. Such changes will affect all new lists as they are created. For existing lists you will need to go to the General Options page for each list and change the last field on the page (Base URL for Mailman web interface) and change that for each list. From gward at mems-exchange.org Thu Dec 6 16:28:51 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:28:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error log ... In-Reply-To: <021f01c17e5a$7a49d520$201e6a8f@ccuec.unicamp.br> References: <021f01c17e5a$7a49d520$201e6a8f@ccuec.unicamp.br> Message-ID: <20011206102851.B3961@mems-exchange.org> On 06 December 2001, Alessandro Luiz Petrocino said: > My error log, in mailman 2.0.7, is freight with this lines : > > Dec 06 11:29:05 2001 (15688) Delivery exception: EOF read where object > expected > Dec 06 11:29:05 2001 (15688) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in > do_pipeline > func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 199, in process > MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in > hold_for_approval > mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage > self.__opendb() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb > self.__db = marshal.load(fp) > EOFError: EOF read where object expected It sounds like one the config.db file for one of your lists is corrupted. Did you, perchance, try to edit a config.db file with a text editor? Anyways, the usual answer here is to restore the corrupted file from your most recent backup. (You *do* run nightly backups, don't you?) Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 6 16:59:36 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:59:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: <19925.1007601670@kanga.nu> Message-ID: -- Configure your MTA to not do DNS verifies on receipt from localhost. Most MTAs default to doing verifies by default. Leaving that turned on will slow delivery rates from mailman to your MTA significantly, especially for larger lists. In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM in the Mailman distribution, or http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html for details. Details for other MTAs will be added here later. --------------------- I'm still not seeing any how-to's for this for sendmail, and I'm very new to sendmail so if this is a simple configuration cahnge I'm overlooking it. Can any give me any details how how to turn this off in Sendmail, or how I can at least verify that it is doing this, so I can furhter look into turning it off? -Thanks, Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of J C Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:21 PM To: Richard Idalski Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:16:27 -0500 Richard Idalski wrote: > Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing > messages. I've wrapped a FAQ item about this at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.011.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 6 17:48:16 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:48:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... References: Message-ID: <008d01c17e75$cdb79b00$0b04010a@JCARNES> >From the Sendmail website: http://www.sendmail.org/faq Starting with version 8.9, it may help to include the following in your .mc file: FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl FEATURE(`accept_unqualified_senders')dnl Other than that, Sendmail uses the values from /etc/nsswitch.conf for hosts lookups. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: "J C Lawrence" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... > -- Configure your MTA to not do DNS verifies on receipt from localhost. Most > MTAs default to doing verifies by default. Leaving that turned on will slow > delivery rates from mailman to your MTA significantly, especially for larger > lists. > > In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM in the > Mailman distribution, or http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html for details. > Details for other MTAs will be added here later. > --------------------- > > I'm still not seeing any how-to's for this for sendmail, and I'm very new > to sendmail so if this is a simple configuration cahnge I'm overlooking it. > Can any give me any details how how to turn this off in Sendmail, or how I > can at least verify that it is doing this, so I can furhter look into > turning it off? > > -Thanks, > > Richard Idalski > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of J C Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:21 PM > To: Richard Idalski > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... > > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:16:27 -0500 > Richard Idalski wrote: > > > Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing > > messages. > > I've wrapped a FAQ item about this at: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.011.htp > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From FBOTELHO at fgv.br Thu Dec 6 18:52:25 2001 From: FBOTELHO at fgv.br (Fabio Botelho da Silva) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:52:25 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] poster name Message-ID: <765A72978645D4118B1C0000E229806D04E61490@FGVRJ23> Hi, is there a way to replace the address of the poster for the list's name in all posted messages. thanks. From sloween at hotmail.com Thu Dec 6 18:05:12 2001 From: sloween at hotmail.com (Abe Scwartz) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:05:12 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME | virtual host | 'Admin Links' domain definition Message-ID: All - I'm hosting mailing lists for two domains - primary.com and secondary.com. primary.com is defined as DEFAULT_HOST_NAME within Mailman/Defaults.py. I'm using mailman-2.0.5 on RH6.2/x86. Currently, both http://lists.primary.com/mailman/admin/ and http://lists.secondary.com/mailman/admin/ display the 'Admin Links' page containing the text, "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on lists.primary.com". I'd like for the text to reflect the hostname requested, e.g. if URL='http://lists.primary.com/mailman/admin/', the text should read , "mailing lists on lists.primary.com". if URL='http://lists.secondary.com/mailman/admin/', the text should read , "mailing lists on lists.secondary.com". I discovered a patch at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/1998-November/000609.html for an older version of mailman, but wasn't sure if|how this was implemented in current versions, or how this might be enabled. The hosted sites would like their /mailman/admin page to display their domain in the text, and not the value of DEFAULT_HOST_NAME. Or is this perhaps dependent on apache in some way? Any help anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 18:36:58 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:36:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: Message from "Richard Idalski" of "Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:59:36 EST." References: Message-ID: <5682.1007660218@kanga.nu> On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:59:36 -0500 Richard Idalski wrote: > I'm still not seeing any how-to's for this for sendmail, and I'm > very new to sendmail so if this is a simple configuration cahnge > I'm overlooking it. I don't know how to configure Sendmail to not do DNS lookups for deliveries from localhost. I also generally recommend against sendmail as an MTA, especially for list server duty. However, if you are committed to running sendmail, Chuq von Rospach posted details of the required configs to the -developers list (Q2 this year IIRC) with the comment that enabling them also turned off various SPAM controls in sendmail. YMMV. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 18:38:35 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:38:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: Message from "Jon Carnes" of "Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:48:16 EST." <008d01c17e75$cdb79b00$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <008d01c17e75$cdb79b00$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <5735.1007660315@kanga.nu> On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:48:16 -0500 Jon Carnes wrote: >> From the Sendmail website: > http://www.sendmail.org/faq > Starting with version 8.9, it may help to include the following in > your .mc file: > FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains')dnl > FEATURE(`accept_unqualified_senders')dnl Neither of which will turn off lookups.... > Other than that, Sendmail uses the values from /etc/nsswitch.conf > for hosts lookups. Actually libnss uses those values to determine where and in what order it will perform lookup requests, and sendmail calls libnss. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Dec 6 19:40:21 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:40:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: <5682.1007660218@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On 12/6/01 9:36 AM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: > you are committed to running sendmail, Chuq von Rospach posted > details of the required configs to the -developers list (Q2 this > year IIRC) with the comment that enabling them also turned off > various SPAM controls in sendmail. YMMV. Here's one: And here's the one with the implementation details: Ah. Found the link with my math on what VERP/customization does: And I'll stick this somewhere so I don't lose it again, write it up and get it into the FAQ. Hopefully soon. From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 6 20:13:18 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Html email msg disappearing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have two seperate mailing that send out daily, one is is an html page sent over email, the other is a txt version of the same info. After qrunner processes the html one it seems to disappear, it doesn't get sent out, I's not residing in the mailq, nor does, /var/log/mailog have any refrence of it. I also see no mention of it in any of mailman's logs. It just seems to disappear. Has anyone had a similar problem? The txt version of the email sends out fine, though it has been sending out multiple copies. Richard Idalski From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 6 20:25:09 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:25:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach of "Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:40:21 PST." References: Message-ID: <8016.1007666709@kanga.nu> On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:40:21 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > Here's one: > I haven't updated the FAQ with this (mostly as it changes so much with 2.1) -- want to throw it in instead? > And here's the one with the implementation details: > > > Ah. Found the link with my math on what VERP/customization does: > Both FAQ'ed: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.011.htp http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.012.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From sloween at hotmail.com Thu Dec 6 20:30:07 2001 From: sloween at hotmail.com (Abe Scwartz) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 19:30:07 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME | virtual host | 'Admin Lin ks' domain definition Message-ID: First off, is there any additional documentation for the apps within $BASEDIR/bin, like list_move and such? But back to my initial problem - Within $BASEDIR/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, the line: legend = "%s mailing lists - Admin Links" % mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME I'd like to be able to set the "%s" on a per-vhost basis (either dynamically via HTTP_HOST or statically in some way). So that when someone visits domain1.com/mailman/admin, the page is branded with domain1.com. View the 'Admin Links' page (http://something.com/mailman/admin) to see what I mean. And likewise, visiting domain2.com/mailman/admin should be branded with domain2.com. Can this be accomplished with something like "move_list"? So the text at the 'Admin Links' page should read, For http://domain1.com/mailman/admin - "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on domain1.com." For http://domain2.com/mailman/admin - "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on domain2.com." Please let me know if this doesn't make sense, or if anyone has any other questions. Thanks again for your assistance. >From: Johnson David R >To: 'Abe Scwartz' >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME | virtual host | 'Admin Lin >ks' domain definition >Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:36:22 -0500 > >I am not sure what you mean, can you explain in detail. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Abe Scwartz [mailto:sloween at hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:05 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME | virtual host | 'Admin >Links' domain definition > > >All - > >I'm hosting mailing lists for two domains - primary.com and secondary.com. >primary.com is defined as DEFAULT_HOST_NAME within Mailman/Defaults.py. I'm >using mailman-2.0.5 on RH6.2/x86. > >Currently, both http://lists.primary.com/mailman/admin/ and >http://lists.secondary.com/mailman/admin/ display the 'Admin Links' page >containing the text, "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised >mailman > >mailing lists on lists.primary.com". I'd like for the text to reflect the >hostname requested, e.g. > >if URL='http://lists.primary.com/mailman/admin/', the text should read , >"mailing lists on lists.primary.com". > >if URL='http://lists.secondary.com/mailman/admin/', the text should read , >"mailing lists on lists.secondary.com". > >I discovered a patch at >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/1998-November/000609.htm >l >for an older version of mailman, but wasn't sure if|how this was >implemented > >in current versions, or how this might be enabled. The hosted sites would >like their /mailman/admin page to display their domain in the text, and not >the value of DEFAULT_HOST_NAME. > >Or is this perhaps dependent on apache in some way? > >Any help anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 6 22:12:55 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:12:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... References: Message-ID: <006901c17e9a$c6851b80$0b04010a@JCARNES> If I were Mr Burns, I would be sitting here tapping my fingers together and whispering: "Excellent..." Great solution to get Sendmail optimized for local use. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuq Von Rospach" To: "J C Lawrence" ; "Richard Idalski" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... > On 12/6/01 9:36 AM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: > > > you are committed to running sendmail, Chuq von Rospach posted > > details of the required configs to the -developers list (Q2 this > > year IIRC) with the comment that enabling them also turned off > > various SPAM controls in sendmail. YMMV. > > Here's one: > > > > And here's the one with the implementation details: > > > > > Ah. Found the link with my math on what VERP/customization does: > > > > And I'll stick this somewhere so I don't lose it again, write it up and get > it into the FAQ. Hopefully soon. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Thu Dec 6 23:22:43 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:22:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME | virtual host | 'Admin Lin ks' domain definition Message-ID: <200112062223.OAA20581@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > First off, is there any additional documentation for the apps within > $BASEDIR/bin, like list_move and such? Many of the scripts are prefaced with a big comment; many of them have a -h help screen; many of them are surprisingly readable, even if you don't read Python. But I don't know of any manpage or HTML documenting them, no. > > But back to my initial problem - > > Within $BASEDIR/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, the line: > > legend = "%s mailing lists - Admin Links" % mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > > I'd like to be able to set the "%s" on a per-vhost basis (either dynamically > via HTTP_HOST or statically in some way). So that when someone visits > domain1.com/mailman/admin, the page is branded with domain1.com. View the > 'Admin Links' page (http://something.com/mailman/admin) to see what I mean. > > And likewise, visiting domain2.com/mailman/admin should be branded with > domain2.com. Can this be accomplished with something like "move_list"? > > So the text at the 'Admin Links' page should read, > > For http://domain1.com/mailman/admin - > > "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on > domain1.com." > > For http://domain2.com/mailman/admin - > > "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on > domain2.com." Sensible; fixed in 2.1, too. From jason at usmale.org Thu Dec 6 13:02:54 2001 From: jason at usmale.org (Jason Clark) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:02:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What did I do wrong? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011206065457.00a9e4a0@mail.usmale.org> I know I've got a simple problem, I'm just not getting where I need to, and am tired of complaints from users. I've had mailman up and running for a month, but I needed it working before I had all the little questions like this worked out. I don't recall exactly what values I typed in during the install, but when messages come out from the list, the mailto: tags are correct, but the web page links are not correct. See the sample below. Where did I go wrong in the install? Can I fix it via the administration web page & where? (I tried changing the options on the bottom of the general screen and it doesn't save the change) hostname: mail.usmale.org base url: /mailman/ Do I need to fix it by rerunning the setup process? (this won't destroy the lists I have already setup. Right?) >Reply-To: test2 at hunter.usmale.org >List-Post: >List-Subscribe: , > >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: >_______________________________________________ >Test2 mailing list >Test2 at mail.usmale.org >http://www.usmale.org/mailman/listinfo/test2 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ www.usmale.org From jtm at FATCODER.COM Thu Dec 6 21:57:12 2001 From: jtm at FATCODER.COM (John Murray) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:57:12 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problems Message-ID: <200112062057.fB6KvDa26554@edmond.fatcoder.com> Have followed the installation instructions for mailman 2.1. The website looks fine, and appears to work. I can register for the test list (through the site) and it sends out the confirmation email. When I respond to the confirmation email, I am able to see through the logs that it receives it and processes the mailcmd (line listed below); however, there is no response sent back to the list. I have been unable to find any error condition, but it doesnt appear that mailcmd is sending the response. I also notice that even though the confirmation message was sent, they dont show as a pendng user. Dec 6 20:51:47 edmond sendmail[26492]: fB6Kpkp26491: to="|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd friends_test", ctladdr= (2/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31097, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Am running SuSE 7.1 on an intel box. Using Apache and Sendmail. Am fairly new to this, so sorry if I am not giving enough information. From paja at asp.ogi.edu Fri Dec 7 01:26:34 2001 From: paja at asp.ogi.edu (Pavel Chytil) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:26:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] news catch up Message-ID: <1007684794.3c100cbae9cfe@mail.asp.ogi.edu> Hello, I have installed mailman 2.0.8 and Python 2.1 on my RH 7.2. Everything seems to be working fine. I would like to have gate between news and list and since list started way after news group I would like to import all articles from news into archive for list. I though that this should be taking care of by news catchup (selected to NO). But nothing happened. Gating is working just fine though. Any ideas? Thanks, Pavel From pjc at tecate.off-road.com Fri Dec 7 06:33:35 2001 From: pjc at tecate.off-road.com (pjc@off-road.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:33:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing The Avalanche of Admin Messages Message-ID: <0c8001c17ee0$b7421560$6401a8c0@pjcoffice> Hi Folks, This is kind of a newbie question. I appreciate all answers. A good number of our lists receive dozens of illicit posts daily. Each results in a message to admin to take corrective action. Is there a way to treat certain, illicit messages different than others? I'd like to somehow preserve messages sent by normal subscribers that are simply sending same from email addresses other than what is represented in their subscription whle simply deleting all the rest before they become admin message issues. Thanks PJC From dan at ssc.com Fri Dec 7 07:19:30 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:19:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Managing The Avalanche of Admin Messages In-Reply-To: <0c8001c17ee0$b7421560$6401a8c0@pjcoffice> References: <0c8001c17ee0$b7421560$6401a8c0@pjcoffice> Message-ID: <20011206221930.A7271@ssc.com> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 09:33:35PM -0800, pjc at off-road.com wrote: > Hi Folks, > > This is kind of a newbie question. I appreciate all answers. > > A good number of our lists receive dozens of illicit posts daily. Each > results in a message to admin to take corrective action. Is there a way to > treat certain, illicit messages different than others? How many of these posts are irrelevant spam that doesn't even mention the list address in the "To:" or "Cc:" fields? An effective way to summarily dispose of this refuse is a procmail front-end that simply files anything that doesn't mention the list posting address in its explicit destinations. This effectively disposes at least of spam sent via third-party bulk relay. By its nature, this stuff can't contain customized per-destination headers. Unfortunately it also disposes of "Bcc:" to the list, but I guess I don't lose too much sleep over this. > I'd like to somehow preserve messages sent by normal subscribers that are > simply sending same from email addresses other than what is represented in > their subscription whle simply deleting all the rest before they become > admin message issues. > > Thanks > > PJC > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk Fri Dec 7 11:24:24 2001 From: S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk (Steve Lay) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:24:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New FAQ entry: broken autoresponders In-Reply-To: <20011203141642.A2745@mems-exchange.org> References: <20011203141642.A2745@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: Good new FAQ page - this page will also be useful when liaising with postmasters of broken systems too. But is there more that mailman can do? I have been looking through several recent mail loop incidents and also examples of the more benign but still broken one-shot responders that end up on reply-to lists but mercifully know not to reply to themselves. In all cases the envelope sender of the autoreply has been set to something other than the user - either postmaster or MAILER-DAEMON (in the case of Novell Groupwise). Is it possible to filter the envelope sender on a list? If so, filtering senders like MAILER-DAEMON would catch groupwise (the worst I've come across) and postmaster would catch one other that I know of too. Ideally, this would be done by mailman itself. Would these envelope addresses ever constitute legitimate postings? I think mailman already examines the envelop sender in the bounce detection stuff (as errors are traditionally sent with an empty from address in the envelope). -- Steve Lay Technical Manager, ITAL Unit University of Cambridge Local Examinations Syndicate From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Fri Dec 7 12:00:01 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 07 Dec 2001 11:00:01 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: <8016.1007666709@kanga.nu> References: <8016.1007666709@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <1007722801.1219.4.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 19:25, J C Lawrence wrote: > Both FAQ'ed: Before noticing this I started to put together a set of per-MTA FAQ entries - 2 (qmail and postfix) are just placeholders right now, the exim and sendmail ones have a little content, with the start of a generic Mailman performance tuning faq added as well... damn I've just walked over you especially as I added to section 6 (web/mail integration), rather than section 4 (admin issues). most of the content at present is directly raped from other sources - chuq's postings that he kindly referenced. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From sloween at hotmail.com Fri Dec 7 16:47:30 2001 From: sloween at hotmail.com (Abe Scwartz) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:47:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME | virtual host | 'Admin Lin ks' domain definition Message-ID: >Many of the scripts are prefaced with a big comment; many of them >have a -h help screen; many of them are surprisingly readable, >even if you don't read Python. But I don't know of any manpage >or HTML documenting them, no. Thanks for the info. I'll have a look. > > I'd like to be able to set the "%s" on a per-vhost basis (either >dynamically > > via HTTP_HOST or statically in some way). So that when someone visits > > domain1.com/mailman/admin, the page is branded with domain1.com. > > > > So the text at the 'Admin Links' page should read, > > > > For http://domain1.com/mailman/admin - > > > > "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on > > domain1.com." > > > > For http://domain2.com/mailman/admin - > > > > "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on > > domain2.com." > >Sensible; fixed in 2.1, too. 2.1 is still unstable for production use, correct? Is there any patches or way to emulate this behavior under the 2.0.x series? Or any configuration suggestions? Or can this be altered by creating a new config output file with ./config_list, edit the host_name variable, then re-apply the configuration file to the list? Thanks again for all the info! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jbarnes at usmale.org Fri Dec 7 17:17:44 2001 From: jbarnes at usmale.org (J. Barnes) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:17:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What did I do wrong? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011206133930.02fcd450@pop.ftel.co.uk> References: <4.2.0.58.20011206071533.00a59ec0@mail.usmale.org> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011207111322.00a96f00@mail.usmale.org> Thank you for your help! And I'm currently running mm2.0.7 and looking forward to 2.1 Modifying my mm_cfg.py fixed the problem. Oddly, I had tried this before with poor luck, must have just keyed something wrong the first time. Oddly, I could not locate the install log, possibly because I didn't "build" mailman but uncompressed a tarball. Second (different) question. My list has lots of attachments, which the archive stores, but in an odd format. How can I teach people how to pull the attachment out of the archive? Is there pre-written instructions on this somewhere? Third question - because of the number of attachments, combined with large messages, is there a limit on the size of the digest? I have only one digest user, and he said he had a digest that would not open. I plan to do some testing with this, but thought I'd ask. Jason >It is worth checking the contents of the INSTALL file in the directory you >used to build Mailman. > >You should be able to check the parameters you supplied when running the >./configure of your installation by looking at the top of the file called >config.status in the directory you used to build Mailman. > >Look in installed MM directory at $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py with a text >editor and find the definitions of DEFAULT_HOST and DEFAULT_URL. From what >you have said you probably want to override or set the values of >DEFAULT_URL and possibly DEFAULT_HOST but do this in the file >$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py as explained in the INSTALL file. > >Such changes will affect all new lists as they are created. For existing >lists you will need to go to the General Options page for each list and >change the last field on the page (Base URL for Mailman web interface) and >change that for each list. From mainely_linux at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 18:06:53 2001 From: mainely_linux at yahoo.com (Mark Greenlaw) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:06:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain names for list? Message-ID: <20011207120653.L17275@revival> greetings Mailmen, thank you much for the excellent software. ive installed it twice, the first time was flawless right out of the box. this second server im putting it on has been giving me one problem. it seems the domain name is not set properly somewhere, can anyone assist where i can adjust this? maillog entry - Dec 07 12:03:22 2001 (9568) All recipients refused: (553, '... Domain name +required', 'testlist-admin@') best regards and thanks, mark From MLynn at exchange.ml.com Fri Dec 7 18:09:59 2001 From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS)) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:09:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain names for list? Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A151E3A828@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com> Shot in the dark: Check your /etc/mail/local-host-names domain there? no? Enter it and restart sendmail. Good luck. Regards, Mike Michael Lynn Platform Architect Merrill Lynch Voice://201.557.4555 Cell://917.941.7964 HTTP://linux.worldnet.ml.com (ML Internal) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Greenlaw [mailto:mainely_linux at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:07 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain names for list? greetings Mailmen, thank you much for the excellent software. ive installed it twice, the first time was flawless right out of the box. this second server im putting it on has been giving me one problem. it seems the domain name is not set properly somewhere, can anyone assist where i can adjust this? maillog entry - Dec 07 12:03:22 2001 (9568) All recipients refused: (553, '... Domain name +required', 'testlist-admin@') best regards and thanks, mark ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ridalski at nandomedia.com Fri Dec 7 18:55:32 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:55:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain names for list? In-Reply-To: <20011207120653.L17275@revival> Message-ID: Is it set in /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py? If not make sure you edit /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to change the settings in Defaults.py, don't edit that file directly. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Mark Greenlaw Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:07 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain names for list? greetings Mailmen, thank you much for the excellent software. ive installed it twice, the first time was flawless right out of the box. this second server im putting it on has been giving me one problem. it seems the domain name is not set properly somewhere, can anyone assist where i can adjust this? maillog entry - Dec 07 12:03:22 2001 (9568) All recipients refused: (553, '... Domain name +required', 'testlist-admin@') best regards and thanks, mark ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at kanga.nu Fri Dec 7 19:10:52 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 10:10:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New FAQ entry: broken autoresponders In-Reply-To: Message from Steve Lay of "Fri, 07 Dec 2001 10:24:24 GMT." References: <20011203141642.A2745@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <5021.1007748652@kanga.nu> On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:24:24 +0000 Steve Lay wrote: > Is it possible to filter the envelope sender on a list? If so, > filtering senders like MAILER-DAEMON would catch groupwise (the > worst I've come across) and postmaster would catch one other that > I know of too. Ideally, this would be done by mailman itself. > Would these envelope addresses ever constitute legitimate > postings? More simply, if the return path of a message is ever null ("<>"), it should be bounced from wrapper post. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Fri Dec 7 19:12:59 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 10:12:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM FAQ/Sendmail question... In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham of "07 Dec 2001 11:00:01 GMT." <1007722801.1219.4.camel@gaspode.localnet> References: <8016.1007666709@kanga.nu> <1007722801.1219.4.camel@gaspode.localnet> Message-ID: <5089.1007748779@kanga.nu> On 07 Dec 2001 11:00:01 +0000 Nigel Metheringham wrote: > On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 19:25, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Both FAQ'ed: > Before noticing this I started to put together a set of per-MTA > FAQ entries - 2 (qmail and postfix) are just placeholders right > now, the exim and sendmail ones have a little content, with the > start of a generic Mailman performance tuning faq added as well... > damn I've just walked over you Not a problem. The first task is to get things up there. The more, the merrier. Then we can go about and re-categorise, clean up, cross-link, etc. I suspect we'll also move to a better/spiffier FAQ system than that one as well. > especially as I added to section 6 (web/mail integration), rather > than section 4 (admin issues). We really need to re-work the top level classifications. > most of the content at present is directly raped from other > sources - chuq's postings that he kindly referenced. Much as you can see I've been doing... -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From gward at mems-exchange.org Fri Dec 7 19:46:12 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:46:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in archive (was Re: What did I do wrong?) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20011207111322.00a96f00@mail.usmale.org> References: <4.2.0.58.20011206071533.00a59ec0@mail.usmale.org> <4.2.0.58.20011207111322.00a96f00@mail.usmale.org> Message-ID: <20011207134612.A11132@mems-exchange.org> On 07 December 2001, J. Barnes said: > Second (different) question. My list has lots of attachments, which the > archive stores, but in an odd format. How can I teach people how to pull > the attachment out of the archive? Is there pre-written instructions on > this somewhere? There's nothing odd about how Mailman stores attachments: that's what MIME messages look like. Any modern MUA will interpret the MIME gobbledygook and show you a nice collection of attachments, but Pipermail -- Mailman's default archiver -- knows nothing about MIME. The usual solution is to use a different archiver, such as MHonArc or Hypermail. This is covered in the FAQ; see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From mailman at acnord.dk Fri Dec 7 20:05:27 2001 From: mailman at acnord.dk (Mailman) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:05:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] logentries /pr minute Message-ID: Installed 3 lists, but not yet in use, I get following entries each minute in /var/log/cron: Dec 2 19:30:00 service CROND[1435]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/gate_news) Dec 2 19:31:00 service CROND[1437]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) Dec 2 19:32:01 service CROND[1439]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) Dec 2 19:33:00 service CROND[1441]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) I think tis is very overkill of a log. I would like to know if it can be disabled? finn ------------- Finn Schj?tt EDB Amtscentret for Undervisning, Nordjylland tlf. 9878 5825 From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Dec 7 20:17:06 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 12:17:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] logentries /pr minute References: Message-ID: <3C1115B2.E2B8554@pcraft.com> Mailman wrote: > Installed 3 lists, but not yet in use, I get following entries each minute > in /var/log/cron: > > Dec 2 19:30:00 service CROND[1435]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S > /var/mailman/cron/gate_news) > Dec 2 19:33:00 service CROND[1441]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner) > > I think tis is very overkill of a log. I would like to know if it can be > disabled? If you're not using the news gateway, you can comment out that crontask. The qrunner runs every minutes by default, to process whatever is in backlog for each list. If you're not using your lists yet, you might want to consider shutting off the entire crontask process for the user 'mailman'. As long as you remember to re-enable them when you start using your lists, including testing them. (as the 'mailman' user) crontab -l > ~mailman/crontask # save the current crontask crontab -e # delete the entire crontask -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From michael at stanislawczyk.com Fri Dec 7 22:44:44 2001 From: michael at stanislawczyk.com (Michael J. Stanislawczyk) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:44:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with messages getting stuck sendmail queue Message-ID: <3C11384C.7010806@stanislawczyk.com> I've just installed Mailman and am having a problem with the messages sent to any list alias getting "stuck" in my Sendmail queue (with an operating system error). The web interface works to get a user started w/ subscribing to a list and all administrative functions appear to work, but the problems occur when a user tries to confirm their subscription AND, even if I add them to the list explicitly, when they try to send messages to the list/list owner, etc. - the mail never gets sent. I'm guessing there's an issue w/ the wrapper or my sendmail config? Here's the error message I get from the sendmail queue. Please advise. # mailq -v /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) ----Q-ID---- --Size-- -Priority- ---Q-Time--- ---------Sender/Recipient-------- fB7KfU929195 1155 121169 Dec 7 12:41 (Operating system error) (---testlist-request:8:0:---) "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist" System Info: RedHat Linux 7.0 (w/ kernel v2.2.19) Mailman installed as u: mailman (g: mailman) in /home/mailman/ Sendmail version is 8.11.6 /etc/aliases: testlist-results: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist-results" testlist-results-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist-results" testlist-results-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist-results" testlist-results-owner: testlist-results-admin where, "testlist-results-admin" is configured to be my e-mail address in the Mailman list config Yes, I've run "newaliases" and have even restarted sendmail. -- Michael J. Stanislawczyk From little at earthtech.org Fri Dec 7 05:03:03 2001 From: little at earthtech.org (Scott Little) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:03:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] header reduction? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011206215707.00b087a0@earthtech.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011206/98b0440a/attachment.htm From alf.christophersen at basalmed.uio.no Fri Dec 7 08:34:33 2001 From: alf.christophersen at basalmed.uio.no (Alf Christophersen) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 08:34:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing possibility to stop attachments Message-ID: <3C107109.8709CED5@basalmed.uio.no> In these viral days, mail lists may do great damage if the post viral infected messages, like SirCam, BadTrans etc. One list I subscribes to had to close down for 1 month because the people joining the list was infected and also the list was thus used as a vehicle for spreading the virus. Since many viral messages now are small, there is no problem passing the 40 kB limit now set default, and no use in restricting it into 1 kB either, since the BadTrans Embedded message is possibly smaller than 1 kB :-( It seems also plausible to be able to stop any messages containing html-code since Badtrans use html-code to transmit, using the tag to be included (or is that an MIME-tag?) If so both attachments and embedded should be able to be stopped anyway, like Smartlist now are able to do (at least the Smartlist hack of Rootsweb.com are able to do this) Otherwise I have to check with rootsweb guys to get a copy of their hack since now this security hole in maillists are really getting very annoying. Hope this may be a priorited case for new version ! From udo.wolter at charite.de Fri Dec 7 14:25:16 2001 From: udo.wolter at charite.de (udo.wolter at charite.de) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:25:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive & User Adresses Message-ID: Hi ! We're using mailman (version 2.0.5 at the moment) and have some problems with the archives. When there is a list called test, a lot of mails standing in the archive not with their own email address but with the list-adress itself (test at foo.de). I'd like to have it that way, that every thread is shown with the real address of the user (name at foo.de). I haven't found any options in the configuration tools (the web interface) for it, maybe it's configured during compile time ? BTW, the emails itself are correct. When I can see an email from a user it never comes from test at foo.de. Only the archive is my problem. Can anyone help me ? Thank you ! Bye, Udo -- Udo Wolter, Tel.: +49 30 450 570037 Charit?, med. Fakult?t d. HU Berlin Berlin, Germany Email: udo.wolter at charite.de From akyriaz at ee.duth.gr Fri Dec 7 17:01:20 2001 From: akyriaz at ee.duth.gr (akyriaz at ee.duth.gr) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:01:20 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting mails from the archive Message-ID: <200112071601.fB7G19Y15252@ermis.cc.duth.gr> i'm the administrator on a mailing list ( http://lists.duth.gr ) using the mailman version 2.0 beta 5. don't I have the possibility to delete some old mails from the archive? thanks! Angelos --------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using https://webmail.duth.gr From mainely_linux at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 17:24:11 2001 From: mainely_linux at yahoo.com (Mark Greenlaw) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:24:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list domain names? Message-ID: <20011207112411.H17275@revival> greetings Mailmen, first off, thank you much for the excellent software. ive installed it twice, the first time was flawless right out of the box. this second server im putting it on has been giving me one problem. it seems the domain name is not set properly somewhere, can anyone assist where i can adjust this? maillog entry - Dec 07 12:03:22 2001 (9568) All recipients refused: (553, '... Domain name required', 'testlist-admin@') please cc me on the response. best regards and thanks, mark From slaten at atd.ucar.edu Fri Dec 7 17:34:45 2001 From: slaten at atd.ucar.edu (Brandon Slaten) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 09:34:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Filtering Message-ID: <3C10EFA5.6000006@atd.ucar.edu> Greetings, Just getting started useing Mailman to replace our Majordomo lists, was wondering if Mailman had any facility to filter viruses. I have found the information about SPAM filtering, but wondered if it went further. Thank you for your time. -- \ Brandon Slaten / *=====|::::::::::::::::> brandon at ucar.edu <:::::::::::::::::|======* / May the winds of fortune fill your sails! \ From linux at wombatsweb.com Fri Dec 7 19:55:56 2001 From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:55:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailpasswords Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011207135304.047f2460@mail.wombatsweb.com> This is the second install of Mailman I have done, and I experience the same thing ... come the 1st of the month, passwords are not mailed out to subscribers ... I tried running the mailpasswords cron job manually, and it runs with no ouput, and I don't receive passwords ... I believe everything is configured correctly in the list's control web forms ... Is there somewhere else I can check? Is there a common reason this wouldn't work? I installed from RPM on a Mandrake system .... everything worked right out of the box .. even cron jobs were added ... so this seems to be the only thing missed ... Please respond directly since I am no longer a member of this list ... Thanks From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Dec 8 00:21:02 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 16:21:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing possibility to stop attachments References: <3C107109.8709CED5@basalmed.uio.no> Message-ID: <3C114EDD.CC9D61DA@pcraft.com> Alf Christophersen wrote: > It seems also plausible to be able to stop any messages containing > html-code since Badtrans use html-code to transmit, using the > tag to be included (or is that an MIME-tag?) If so both attachments and > embedded should be able to be stopped anyway, like Smartlist now are > able to do (at least the Smartlist hack of Rootsweb.com are able to do > this) You can also employ your own, external scanner, or whatever flavor program you want. Most of these viruses/attachments come in as MIME encoded, so you can always use stripmime[1], or demime[2] to get that stuff off of the message prior to submitting it to the list. You can go one step further, and look into MIMEDefang[3], which does a pletora of things for you. There's also Quarantine[4], which will strip out any type of attachments to your message. All of these solutions are external to Mailman (in fact MIMEDefang hooks into sendmail - if you're running it), so you can always end up with "clean" messages going through your list. [1] - http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html [2] - http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html [3] - http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/ [4] - http://www.johncon.com/john/QuarantineAttachments/ -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From alex at phred.org Sat Dec 8 00:35:16 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:35:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing possibility to stop attachments In-Reply-To: <3C107109.8709CED5@basalmed.uio.no> Message-ID: <20011207153411.N2523-100000@phred.org> On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Alf Christophersen wrote: > Hope this may be a priorited case for new version ! I've read that 2.1 will have the ability to filter attachments. There are already at least 3 addon packages that will filter attachments and HTML from list email. I wrote one called stripmime. http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html . No virus mail on my lists... alex From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Sat Dec 8 01:44:33 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:44:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME | virtual host | 'Admin Lin ks' domain definition Message-ID: <200112080044.QAA12846@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > > > "Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on > > > domain2.com." > > > >Sensible; fixed in 2.1, too. > > 2.1 is still unstable for production use, correct? Well, I'm using it for "production" (a smallish list with ~300 active members). I'm pretty happy with it, but I certainly don't use all of MM's functionality. > Is there any patches or > way to emulate this behavior under the 2.0.x series? Or any configuration > suggestions? Other than hacking the code, none I know of, no. From gpxr at optushome.com.au Sat Dec 8 03:07:08 2001 From: gpxr at optushome.com.au (Phil) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:07:08 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Do I Remove A Mailing List? Message-ID: <039101c17f8d$0abd50e0$0400a8c0@co3040118a> Hi There How do I remove a mailing list ? Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011208/5c05872b/attachment.html From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Dec 8 03:23:08 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:23:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Do I Remove A Mailing List? References: <039101c17f8d$0abd50e0$0400a8c0@co3040118a> Message-ID: <3C11798C.296643D1@pcraft.com> Phil wrote: > How do I remove a mailing list ? ~mailman/bin/rmlist -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From gpxr at optushome.com.au Sat Dec 8 06:57:14 2001 From: gpxr at optushome.com.au (Phil) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:57:14 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installed Mailman and somethings do not work Message-ID: <03f801c17fad$2f941c30$0400a8c0@co3040118a> Hi There I installed mailman and somethings do not work Has anyone have any idea how to fix them If you subscribe it comes up with the confirm page but you never get any email from it but if you mass subscribe people can send mail to it and it works With mass subscribe no one gets a welcome email. below is out of /var/log/mailog Dec 8 15:30:02 www imapd[17908]: imap service init from 127.0.0.1 Dec 8 15:30:02 www imapd[17908]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1] Dec 8 15:30:03 www sendmail[17910]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA When I ran bin/check_perms it came up with no problem found If anyone could help that would be great Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011208/e2c5a96a/attachment.htm From kd5de at nwla.com Sat Dec 8 19:06:48 2001 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 12:06:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Special List Message-ID: <3C1256B8.96B4F09B@nwla.com> Ok Folks: I have a client that has a dozen list, but one of them is a bit unusual. The list post are generated through a perl script and cron. This list send a devotional to all of the subscribers everyday. I have set the list up to hide the actual send in the privacy options and have created an explicit reply. I have found no way to kill the second reply to on this list. Therefore I want to restrict posting to 7 different users. How do I do this. It is probably obvious but I overlooked it. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From jbarnes at usmale.org Sun Dec 9 03:25:43 2001 From: jbarnes at usmale.org (J. Barnes) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:25:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security for moderator In-Reply-To: <20011207153411.N2523-100000@phred.org> References: <3C107109.8709CED5@basalmed.uio.no> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011208211713.0099a640@mail.usmale.org> I took a quick look at the FAQ and didn't spot this one (although it might still be there). I suddenly need to change one of my lists to moderated. But I'm not thrilled about giving him full access to the administrative interface. Is there a way I can give him access to Administrative Requests, but NOT the other parts of the admin interface? Thanks for pointing out what will be an obvious answer. Jason From zzr1100 at optushome.com.au Sat Dec 8 03:06:14 2001 From: zzr1100 at optushome.com.au (Phil) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:06:14 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Do I Remove a Mailing List ? Message-ID: <038201c17f8c$ea30a4d0$0400a8c0@co3040118a> Hi There How do I remove a mailing list ? Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011208/7cd91286/attachment.html From atdiseno at telesat.com.co Sat Dec 8 03:57:14 2001 From: atdiseno at telesat.com.co (ATDISENO) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <000201c17fa0$fb5aa080$010000c0@piii500> hi, my name is alejandro g.g my website is over www.hostway.com www.rumbaplanet.com my question is: how delete multiple users of maillist? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011207/7feb467d/attachment.htm From gentle at gentle.org Sat Dec 8 14:54:10 2001 From: gentle at gentle.org (Rod (Gentle) Ellis) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:54:10 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error installing 2.1a3 Message-ID: Configured with no errors. This is what I received when I did a 'make install' - Rod ----------------------------------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1a3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/sites/mailman/scripts/driver", line 90, in run_main pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(), [scriptname]) File "/home/sites/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 26, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/home/sites/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 34, in ? import email.Iterators ImportError: No module named email.Iterators ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.0 (#1, Oct 16 2000, 18:10:03) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform linux2 ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Environment variables: Variable Value DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/sites/home/web UNIQUE_ID PBIZN0Ece04AAGUXKWE HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_PORT 80 REMOTE_ADDR 65.28.123.68 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 SERVER_NAME the.halleluiah.net HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 4.0) HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-comet, */* REQUEST_URI /mailman/listinfo.cgi QUERY_STRING SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/sites/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi SCRIPT_URL /mailman/listinfo.cgi HTTP_HOST the.halleluiah.net REQUEST_METHOD GET SERVER_SIGNATURE SCRIPT_URI http://the.halleluiah.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo.cgi SERVER_ADMIN admin SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_perl/1.21 PHP/4.0.4pl1 mod_perl/1.21 mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.2b PYTHONPATH /home/sites/mailman SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 2747 From claw at kanga.nu Sun Dec 9 04:24:59 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:24:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Security for moderator In-Reply-To: Message from "J. Barnes" of "Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:25:43 EST." <4.2.0.58.20011208211713.0099a640@mail.usmale.org> References: <3C107109.8709CED5@basalmed.uio.no> <4.2.0.58.20011208211713.0099a640@mail.usmale.org> Message-ID: <4408.1007868299@kanga.nu> On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:25:43 -0500 J Barnes wrote: > I took a quick look at the FAQ and didn't spot this one (although > it might still be there). I suddenly need to change one of my > lists to moderated. But I'm not thrilled about giving him full > access to the administrative interface. Is there a way I can give > him access to Administrative Requests, but NOT the other parts of > the admin interface? 2.0.*: No. 2.1.*: Yes. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil Sat Dec 8 10:09:29 2001 From: scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil (Scott Armstrong) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 04:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Munging MIME Content Headers Message-ID: <05e401c17fc8$829a46a0$0801a8c0@cj501503a.dlcty1.va.home.com> That's about as descriptive as I can get regarding my problem. The scenario is this - I've replaced pipermail with the updated hypermail package and I've done this by subscribing a special user to each list and setting ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX=1 PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER=0 PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER=0 By leaving the "archive_to_mbox" turned on, it allows me to retain a backup of the archived messages and to reconstruct the html using some scripts I've written that interface with hypermail. I hope to soon add the capability for list owners to edit the archives via IMAP and reconstruct the html versons that their users see. To retain Mailman's authentication of private archive membership, I've left the ~mailman/archives/private tree intact and placed the html archives in the subdirectories by list name under this location. With the exception of some occasional problems with relative URL referencing (sometimes the "/" isn't appended to the archive name), everything works great. I even have indexing and searching set up using swish-e. My problem occurs when a user requests a MIME document from the archives. It looks as if the content type is being stripped off before the document is being sent or it's just not being inserted from the .meta files. If a user requests an MS Word document, it is pulled up in binary format within the browser. If I replicate the same tree to another location, losing the Mailman authentication :( , everything works perfectly and the content type is sent along with the document. I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 under SPARC Solaris 8, Apache 1.3.22 w/ mod_ssl, Python 2.1.1, and I'm utilizing cern_meta_module and the hooks in Hypermail 2.1.3 to create the .meta directory and the .meta files. Would someone please help me track this down and fix it? I would very much hate to lose the Mailman authentication. Thanks, Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011208/25bb54f3/attachment.html From msmith at acmecorp.org Sun Dec 9 05:15:40 2001 From: msmith at acmecorp.org (Michael D. Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:15:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help... Message-ID: Sorry to bother all of you, but I need help..... I just upgraded my RedHat to 7.2....and now I'm getting this error.... Anyone who can help; I'd greatly appreciate it. -- -MS __________ msmith at acmecorp.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:13:40 -0800 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: msmith at acmecorp.org Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details The original message was received at Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:13:40 -0800 from IDENT:Z08schNDB21sY+R3zVVP8Mzl9TFltSbs at cpe-66-87-92-150.ca.sprintbbd.net [66.87.92.150] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post crewlist-l" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Mailman error: post got bad listname: crewlist-l 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Michael D. Smith" Subject: test Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:13:39 -0800 (PST) Size: 713 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011208/b2742f90/attachment.mht From alex at phred.org Sun Dec 9 17:35:41 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 08:35:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000201c17fa0$fb5aa080$010000c0@piii500> Message-ID: <20011209083447.U2523-100000@phred.org> On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, ATDISENO wrote: > how delete multiple users of maillist? You can delete multiple to delete on the UI, if they all happen to be on the same page of 30 users. You can use ~mailman/bin/remove_members to remove multiple members of a list if you have access to the command line of the server that hosts the list. alex From jpboily at web-o-lution.com Sun Dec 9 21:08:51 2001 From: jpboily at web-o-lution.com (Jean-Philippe Boily) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:08:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to retrieve lost password (admin pass...) Message-ID: <003f01c180ed$5224c330$ec2bfea9@webolution> One of my client is using MailMan and he forgot his admin password, is there a way to get it back ? Thanks a lot ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011209/81f729b9/attachment.html From claw at kanga.nu Sun Dec 9 21:44:35 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:44:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to retrieve lost password (admin pass...) In-Reply-To: Message from "Jean-Philippe Boily" of "Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:08:51 EST." <003f01c180ed$5224c330$ec2bfea9@webolution> References: <003f01c180ed$5224c330$ec2bfea9@webolution> Message-ID: <9683.1007930675@kanga.nu> On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:08:51 -0500 Jean-Philippe Boily wrote: > One of my client is using MailMan and he forgot his admin > password, is there a way to get it back ? Reset it with the site password. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Mon Dec 10 01:33:26 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 16:33:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to retrieve lost password (admin pass...) References: <003f01c180ed$5224c330$ec2bfea9@webolution> <9683.1007930675@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3C1402D6.CC3EA29@utopia.west.sun.com> J C Lawrence wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:08:51 -0500 > Jean-Philippe Boily wrote: > > > One of my client is using MailMan and he forgot his admin > > password, is there a way to get it back ? > > Reset it with the site password. ...now FAQ 3.8 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py From mhm at austin.ibm.com Sun Dec 9 16:45:21 2001 From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:45:21 +0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Posts Message-ID: <20011209214521.A2118@austin.ibm.com> Ok, I see the references to editing posts in the archives, but I don't see any pathes, etc for actually implementing it. Am I misreading the archives ? If not, where do I find what I'm looking for ? Mike From moliver at linux.lgi.com Sun Dec 9 16:21:09 2001 From: moliver at linux.lgi.com (Miles D. Oliver) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.0.8 References: <15371.50345.771582.437934@grendel.zope.com><15371.48065.120593.653140@anthem.wooz.org><01ce01c17c4f$1f31c2e0$0100a8c0@mmoliver.org> <15372.3454.866008.4322@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <04b301c180c5$21533b60$0100a8c0@mmoliver.org> I now have a functioning implementation of Mailman 2.0.8 With one strange quirk.. Not all of my lists are showing up in the main admin page. I have 2 lists and only 1 is being shown. The list can be gotten to by accessing the url by its listname but not by the simple 'admin' interface. I've got 2 lists. core4x4 core4x4-member Only core4x4-member is showing up when accessing http://linux.lgi.com/mailman/admin I can get to the list by accessing http://linux.lgi.com/mailman/admin/core4x4 but not having it being listed via the admin interface. I'll keep checking 'google' for any information on this but it is very strange. Thanks. Miles D. Oliver "Bluegrass, Finger Pickin' good" http://www.mmoliver.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry A. Warsaw" To: "Miles D. Oliver" Cc: "Fred L. Drake, Jr." Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Mailman 2.0.8 > > >>>>> "MDO" == Miles D Oliver writes: > > MDO> Seems no matter what gid I choose, it wants something else. > > MDO> I'll review the faq, maybe it will turn a light on. > > If not, contact mailman-users at python.org. There are folks there who > can help. > > -Barry From alixo at mindspring.com Sun Dec 9 22:40:01 2001 From: alixo at mindspring.com (alix olson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:40:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help.. Message-ID: <000701c180fa$0f9e5aa0$17152940@oemcomputer> hello, how can we attain mailman software for our mailing list management? we have about 4000 names- would that be okay? can we subscribe them to the list? thanks, alix -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011209/105a1a3e/attachment.htm From moonlitsubmit at hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 05:43:22 2001 From: moonlitsubmit at hotmail.com (Moonlit Submit) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:43:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] we've hit a bug Message-ID: what do I do when I get a "we've hit a bug error". Server owner and I both know nothing about mailman.. Lisa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk Mon Dec 10 12:16:13 2001 From: S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk (Steve Lay) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:16:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New FAQ entry: broken autoresponders In-Reply-To: <5021.1007748652@kanga.nu> References: <20011203141642.A2745@mems-exchange.org> <5021.1007748652@kanga.nu> Message-ID: >More simply, if the return path of a message is ever null ("<>"), it >should be bounced from wrapper post. Which is the same as what I went on to say I think... Mailman (post 1.1) does this bounce detection - presumably by looking at the envelope sender in the first instance. I think I'm arguing for envelope senders of "postmaster[@domain]" and "mailer-daemon[@domain]" to be treated as failure messages by bounce detection code too. People with broken autoresponders would then get treated as if their address was failing while they took a vacation. This appeals to me as the punishment gets inflicted on the trouble maker, not the innocent list admin or (even worse) the other subscribers. Out of interest, where in the mailman code does this test get done? -- Steve Lay Technical Manager, ITAL Unit University of Cambridge Local Examinations Syndicate From tom at torchbox.com Mon Dec 10 12:56:25 2001 From: tom at torchbox.com (tom dyson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:56:25 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting / importing users Message-ID: Hi there I'm wondering if it's possible to import or export subscribers of a particular list (without using the web interface). I've got three specific questions: 1. How would I go about importing a comma separated list of 12,000 email addresses into an existing mailman list? 2. How could I export email addresses of users from an existing mailman list into some standard format (e.g. CSV, XML)? 3. How does mailman store this stuff anyway? Thanks very much! Tom -----------------+ tom dyson t: +44 (0)1608 811870 m: +44 (0)7958 752657 http://torchbox.com From dmelton at banzuke.com Mon Dec 10 13:37:19 2001 From: dmelton at banzuke.com (David Melton) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:37:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting / importing users References: Message-ID: <043401c18177$6d411e40$0701a8c0@davedesk> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom dyson" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting / importing users > Hi there > > I'm wondering if it's possible to import or export subscribers of a > particular list (without using the web interface). I've got three specific > questions: > > 1. How would I go about importing a comma separated list of 12,000 email > addresses into an existing mailman list? bin/add_members can be used to add a list of email addresses to a list. This utility wants to see one exactly one email address per line, so you'll probably need to use some simple scripting or shell commands to extract the appropriate data from your CSV file. > 2. How could I export email addresses of users from an existing mailman list > into some standard format (e.g. CSV, XML)? bin/list_members will output a list all of the subscribers to a list, one address per line. You can run this output through a script to add commas, XML tags, etc. as needed. > 3. How does mailman store this stuff anyway? In lists//config.db, which is not directly readable. I'm not involved with Mailman's development effort, but I would recommend using the utilities mentioned above, to maintain compatibility with future releases. If you wrote code to use the database file, it might not work right with the next release, or your code could accidentally kill your list by damaging the database. Hope this helps, Dave Melton From jonc at haht.com Mon Dec 10 16:12:55 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:12:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help.. References: <000701c180fa$0f9e5aa0$17152940@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008701c1818d$250b1660$0b04010a@JCARNES> Obtain the software from: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/ I recommend that you download v 2.0.8 as this is the current stable version. I also recommend that you install it on a Linux box. If you use a standard distribution like Mandrake, you will find that it comes with an earlier version of Mailman. Previous versions of Mailman had a bug that would cause them to stop delivering if they received a malformed bounce email, so you will want the 2.0.8 version. 4000 email addresses is not a problem for Mailman - if you run it on a fairly decent machine with adequate internet access. Once you have installed Mailman, and followed all the install directions, then you will create a list and subscribe your email addresses to that list. ----- Original Message ----- From: alix olson To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] help.. hello, how can we attain mailman software for our mailing list management? we have about 4000 names- would that be okay? can we subscribe them to the list? thanks, alix -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011210/f0f4df91/attachment.html From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 10 16:18:17 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... In-Reply-To: <008701c1818d$250b1660$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: I have an existing mailman install of v2.06, it's under heavy daily use, so downtime isn't really an option. What is the suimplest way to upgrade to v2.08 with the least amount of time down? I really want to get past the bug with the malformed bounce emails, becuase that seems to effect me almost daily. Thanks in advance, Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jon Carnes Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:13 AM To: alix olson; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] help.. Obtain the software from: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/ I recommend that you download v 2.0.8 as this is the current stable version. I also recommend that you install it on a Linux box. If you use a standard distribution like Mandrake, you will find that it comes with an earlier version of Mailman. Previous versions of Mailman had a bug that would cause them to stop delivering if they received a malformed bounce email, so you will want the 2.0.8 version. 4000 email addresses is not a problem for Mailman - if you run it on a fairly decent machine with adequate internet access. Once you have installed Mailman, and followed all the install directions, then you will create a list and subscribe your email addresses to that list. ----- Original Message ----- From: alix olson To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] help.. hello, how can we attain mailman software for our mailing list management? we have about 4000 names- would that be okay? can we subscribe them to the list? thanks, alix -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011210/791b45fe/attachment.htm From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 10 16:30:00 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:30:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting mails from the archive In-Reply-To: <200112071601.fB7G19Y15252@ermis.cc.duth.gr> References: <200112071601.fB7G19Y15252@ermis.cc.duth.gr> Message-ID: <20011210103000.A17873@mems-exchange.org> On 07 December 2001, akyriaz at ee.duth.gr said: > i'm the administrator on a mailing list ( http://lists.duth.gr ) using the > mailman version 2.0 beta 5. don't I have the possibility to delete some old > mails from the archive? FAQ: see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 10 16:35:27 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:35:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus Filtering In-Reply-To: <3C10EFA5.6000006@atd.ucar.edu> References: <3C10EFA5.6000006@atd.ucar.edu> Message-ID: <20011210103527.B17873@mems-exchange.org> On 07 December 2001, Brandon Slaten said: > Just getting started useing Mailman to replace our Majordomo lists, was > wondering if Mailman had any facility to filter viruses. I have found the > information about SPAM filtering, but wondered if it went further. No. There's lots of other software out there for filtering viral email -- the one I keep hearing about is amavis. After all, viruses are a problem for regular email accounts, not just mailing lists. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 10 16:38:24 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:38:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailpasswords In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011207135304.047f2460@mail.wombatsweb.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011207135304.047f2460@mail.wombatsweb.com> Message-ID: <20011210103823.C17873@mems-exchange.org> On 07 December 2001, David Pierron said: > I tried running the mailpasswords cron job manually, Good! At least you're familar with the concept of cron job, which a lot of the people on this list don't seem to be. ;-( > and it runs with no > ouput, and I don't receive passwords ... You wouldn't want any output from it, since that output would wind up in somebody's inbox every month. Did you try tailing Mailman's or your MTA's logs while running it? That should reveal something. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From A1800service at aol.com Mon Dec 10 17:19:03 2001 From: A1800service at aol.com (A1800service at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:19:03 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup Message-ID: <17e.7d1122.29463a77@aol.com> I need some setup help with mailmain... I started off by unpacking it: tar mailman.tar.gz and it created: /home/business/mailman-2.0.7 it seems to have set the files up and all, now what do i do? can someone provide links so how i can get into configuration...etc..etc... some detailed instructions would be appreciated on the next fews steps that i need to take in order for this to work with my domain... Thank-You From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Dec 10 17:28:37 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:28:37 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup In-Reply-To: <17e.7d1122.29463a77@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011210162531.02e3ac98@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 11:19 10/12/2001 -0500, A1800service at aol.com wrote: >I need some setup help with mailmain... > >I started off by unpacking it: > >tar mailman.tar.gz and it created: > >/home/business/mailman-2.0.7 > >it seems to have set the files up and all, now what >do i do? can someone provide links so how i >can get into configuration...etc..etc... read the files called INSTALL, README.xxxxx and FAQ in the directory that was un-gzipped and un-tarred. INSTALL explains how to configure and install Mailman. >some detailed instructions would be appreciated >on the next fews steps that i need to take in >order for this to work with my domain... > >Thank-You > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From A1800service at aol.com Mon Dec 10 17:34:17 2001 From: A1800service at aol.com (A1800service at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:34:17 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup Message-ID: <170.56072f6.29463e09@aol.com> In a message dated 12/10/01 10:30:36 AM Central Standard Time, R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk writes: << >I need some setup help with mailmain... > >I started off by unpacking it: > >tar mailman.tar.gz and it created: > >/home/business/mailman-2.0.7 > >it seems to have set the files up and all, now what >do i do? can someone provide links so how i >can get into configuration...etc..etc... read the files called INSTALL, README.xxxxx and FAQ in the directory that was un-gzipped and un-tarred. INSTALL explains how to configure and install Mailman. >> I already went over some of it, i just do not understand... I have noticed, that it did not unpack like it supposed too... it was supposed to create in /home/business/mailman but instead it made: /home/business/mailman-2.0.7 can you supply me a command line that will unpak it into the correct directory... Thanks From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 10 17:47:39 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:47:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Posts In-Reply-To: <20011209214521.A2118@austin.ibm.com> References: <20011209214521.A2118@austin.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20011210114738.D17873@mems-exchange.org> On 09 December 2001, Michael H Moran said: > Ok, I see the references to editing posts in the archives, but > I don't see any pathes, etc for actually implementing it. > > Am I misreading the archives ? If not, where do I find what > I'm looking for ? See the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp and read between the lines. Should be even easier to edit a message than to remove it. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From bkhl at anisakis.org Mon Dec 10 17:55:50 2001 From: bkhl at anisakis.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Lindstr=F6m?=) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:55:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup In-Reply-To: <170.56072f6.29463e09@aol.com> References: <170.56072f6.29463e09@aol.com> Message-ID: <20011210165550.GE322@anisakis.org> A1800service at aol.com [011210 17:36]: > can you supply me a command line that will unpak > it into the correct directory... make install will do that after correctly using the configure script. From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 10 18:22:12 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:22:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-enabling disabled users... In-Reply-To: <20011210114738.D17873@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: Ok, I have a user here that was disabled from our mailing lists due to a now alleviated DNS problem. Now however I can't seem to find the means to re-enable the address. The account shows up in the bounce logs as already disabled. How can I correct this? Richard Idalski From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 10 18:24:19 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:24:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to v2.08... In-Reply-To: <20011210114738.D17873@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: I have an existing mailman install of v2.06, it's under heavy daily use, so downtime isn't really an option. What is the suimplest way to upgrade to v2.08 with the least amount of time down? I really want to get past the bug with the malformed bounce emails, becuase that seems to effect me almost daily. Thanks in advance, Richard Idalski From A1800service at aol.com Mon Dec 10 18:32:26 2001 From: A1800service at aol.com (A1800service at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:32:26 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup Message-ID: <15c.587b361.29464baa@aol.com> Add a new user called `mailman'. Typically this is added to your /etc/passwd file. If username `mailman' is already in use, choose something else unique and see the --with-ownername flag below. how how do i add user called "mailman"? /etc/passwd belongs to the system, something i do not have access too.. From kd5de at nwla.com Mon Dec 10 18:36:12 2001 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try again Message-ID: <3C14F28C.36212C21@nwla.com> I have a list here that is a bit unusual, it is a daily devotional list that is driven by cron. Is there a way I can restrict post to the 7 members that cron sends the mail from to the list. If this can't be done is there a way to remove the second reply address from the outgoing messages. I have Set Hide sender in the privacy options and am using an explicit return address. But since this is a daily devotional list for one of my church clients I don't need anyone except sunday through saturday to post to the list. Maybe this makes sense I HOPE! Thanks Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Dec 10 18:43:40 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:43:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup In-Reply-To: <170.56072f6.29463e09@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011210164151.02e3ac98@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 11:34 10/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/10/01 10:30:36 AM Central Standard Time, >R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk writes: > ><< >I need some setup help with mailmain... > > > >I started off by unpacking it: > > > >tar mailman.tar.gz and it created: > > > >/home/business/mailman-2.0.7 > > > >it seems to have set the files up and all, now what > >do i do? can someone provide links so how i > >can get into configuration...etc..etc... > > read the files called INSTALL, README.xxxxx and FAQ in the directory that > was un-gzipped and un-tarred. INSTALL explains how to configure and install > Mailman. > >> > >I already went over some of it, i just do not understand... >I have noticed, that it did not unpack like it supposed too... >it was supposed to create in /home/business/mailman >but instead it made: > >/home/business/mailman-2.0.7 Before going any further, you might as well get the latest version of Mailman, which is 2.0.8, from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103&release_id=63078 Getting Mailman going is a 2 phase process. Assuming you have mailman-2.0.8.tgz in your home directory: 1. First you unpack the .tgz file into the 'build' directory. Execute the following commands while logged on as you, not as root. cd tar zxf mailman-2.0.8.tgz cd mailman-2.0.8 2. You then go into that directory to configure Mailman and then run the make install which copies the configured, executable version of Mailman into the directory from which it is normally run. From what you say, you have unzipped and untarred the .tgz file and created a build directory as /home/business/mailman-2.0.7. If you wanted the build directory somewhere else then you could use the UNIX mv command to move it or delete it and unzip and untar the .tgz file in the directory under which you want to put the build directory; I usually put the build directory under my home directory. Once you have got the build directory where you want it then you will want to change to that directory. Now follow the instructions in mailman-2.0.8/INSTALL. Per the mailman-2.0.8/INSTALL file you will want to have created the UNIX user ID and group ID which will run mailman: the user named mailman and group called mailman before you configure Mailman. If you intend to run Mailman from /home/business/mailman then make sure to supply this as the --prefix parameter to configure. Also make sure you know the mail group ID and cgi group ID and supply these as the --with-mail-gid and --with-cgi-gid parameters to configure. You will then run the make program in the build directory to install Mailman in the directory from which you intend to run it. I do not mean to be rude but if what I've said above isn't making much sense and you are struggling with the INSTALL instructions you may need to upgrade your Linux/UNIX administration skills before embarking on using Mailman. Without some Linux/UNIX adminstration skills you are going to find operating Mailman and your MTA may produce problems you will struggle to cope with. >can you supply me a command line that will unpak >it into the correct directory... > >Thanks From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 10 18:44:59 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:44:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exporting / importing users In-Reply-To: Message from tom dyson of "Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:56:25 GMT." References: Message-ID: <17684.1008006299@kanga.nu> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:56:25 +0000 tom dyson wrote: > 1. How would I go about importing a comma separated list of 12,000 > email addresses into an existing mailman list? Replace the commands with LFs and then use ~/bin/add_members. > 2. How could I export email addresses of users from an existing > mailman list into some standard format (e.g. CSV, XML)? ~/bin/list_members. > 3. How does mailman store this stuff anyway? Python marshal. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 10 18:46:49 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:46:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... In-Reply-To: Message from "Richard Idalski" of "Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:18:17 EST." References: Message-ID: <17721.1008006409@kanga.nu> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:18:17 -0500 Richard Idalski wrote: > I have an existing mailman install of v2.06, it's under heavy > daily use, so downtime isn't really an option. What is the > suimplest way to upgrade to v2.08 with the least amount of time > down? Build the new Mailman. Stop your MTA. Install the new Mailman. Start your MTA. Your MTA downtime should be measured in single digit minutes. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 10 18:54:44 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... In-Reply-To: <17721.1008006409@kanga.nu> Message-ID: Doens't the upgraded mailman do away with using crons to run its scripts, or did I assume wrong in that? Will I have to disable my present crontab, and enable anything new there? Will an out of the box upgrade built witht the correct parameters for my system come back up that easily? Without any damage to my current information, ie. lists, and archives? Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:47 PM To: Richard Idalski Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:18:17 -0500 Richard Idalski wrote: > I have an existing mailman install of v2.06, it's under heavy > daily use, so downtime isn't really an option. What is the > suimplest way to upgrade to v2.08 with the least amount of time > down? Build the new Mailman. Stop your MTA. Install the new Mailman. Start your MTA. Your MTA downtime should be measured in single digit minutes. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jonc at haht.com Mon Dec 10 19:04:55 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:04:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try again References: <3C14F28C.36212C21@nwla.com> Message-ID: <00d201c181a5$2c6d44b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Use the web-admin, go to Privacy Options. You will see that you can limit all posts, and there is a field for email addresses that can post without approval. Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "mel" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Try again > I have a list here that is a bit unusual, it is a daily devotional list that > is driven by cron. Is there a way I can restrict post to the 7 members that > cron sends the mail from to the list. If this can't be done is there a way to > remove the second reply address from the outgoing messages. I have Set Hide > sender in the privacy options and am using an explicit return address. But > since this is a daily devotional list for one of my church clients I don't > need anyone except sunday through saturday to post to the list. > > Maybe this makes sense I HOPE! > Thanks > Mel > -- > -------------------------- > System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com > Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 > -------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Mon Dec 10 19:06:27 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:06:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup References: <15c.587b361.29464baa@aol.com> Message-ID: <00d801c181a5$62fbf170$0b04010a@JCARNES> Mailman integrates with your system. If you cannot access /etc/password, then you will need to involve the sysadmin of the system you attempting installation on. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup > > Add a new user called `mailman'. Typically this is added to > your /etc/passwd file. If username `mailman' is already in use, > choose something else unique and see the --with-ownername flag > below. > > how how do i add user called "mailman"? > > /etc/passwd belongs to the system, something > i do not have access too.. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Mon Dec 10 19:11:53 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... References: Message-ID: <00e401c181a6$25486420$0b04010a@JCARNES> Mailman 2.0.8 is the latest version of the 2.0 chain. There is no added functionality going from v2.0.6 to v2.0.8 beyond bug fixes. You are probably thinking of v2.1 which is out in Alpha. It does run using a daemon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: "J C Lawrence" Cc: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... > Doens't the upgraded mailman do away with using crons to run its scripts, > or did I assume wrong in that? Will I have to disable my present crontab, > and enable anything new there? Will an out of the box upgrade built witht > the correct parameters for my system come back up that easily? Without any > damage to my current information, ie. lists, and archives? > > Richard Idalski > > -----Original Message----- > From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu] > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:47 PM > To: Richard Idalski > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... > > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:18:17 -0500 > Richard Idalski wrote: > > > I have an existing mailman install of v2.06, it's under heavy > > daily use, so downtime isn't really an option. What is the > > suimplest way to upgrade to v2.08 with the least amount of time > > down? > > Build the new Mailman. Stop your MTA. Install the new Mailman. > Start your MTA. Your MTA downtime should be measured in single > digit minutes. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From A1800service at aol.com Mon Dec 10 19:12:39 2001 From: A1800service at aol.com (A1800service at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:12:39 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup Message-ID: In a message dated 12/10/01 12:06:49 PM Central Standard Time, jonc at haht.com writes: << Mailman integrates with your system. If you cannot access /etc/password, then you will need to involve the sysadmin of the system you attempting installation on. >> Can someone refer me to a low cost server that would set this up? my server admin refuses to setup any devices that has anything to do with mass mail or safelists, etc..etc..includes mailman script. From jonc at haht.com Mon Dec 10 19:13:03 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:13:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-enabling disabled users... References: Message-ID: <00ee01c181a6$4f2ae510$0b04010a@JCARNES> Using the web-admin, go to Membership options and remove the check mark for "nomail" that is next to his mail address. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-enabling disabled users... > > Ok, I have a user here that was disabled from our mailing lists due to a > now alleviated DNS problem. Now however I can't seem to find the means to > re-enable the address. The account shows up in the bounce logs as already > disabled. How can I correct this? > > > Richard Idalski > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 10 19:45:32 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:45:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... In-Reply-To: Message from "Richard Idalski" of "Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:54:44 EST." References: Message-ID: <18354.1008009932@kanga.nu> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:54:44 -0500 Richard Idalski wrote: > Doens't the upgraded mailman do away with using crons to run its > scripts, or did I assume wrong in that? That's 2.1, which is not released and is not ready for prime time yet. > Will I have to disable my present crontab, and enable anything new > there? Only when upgrading to 2.1, when that is ready. > Will an out of the box upgrade built witht the correct parameters > for my system come back up that easily? Yes. > Without any damage to my current information, ie. lists, and > archives? Yes. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From antarix_ at yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 20:21:26 2001 From: antarix_ at yahoo.com (martinez cesar) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:21:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] question... Message-ID: <20011210192126.6307.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there! I have a user, i deleted it(in the web interfase), but when a send an e-mail to the list where it was subscribed he is included in that message...what can i do... Thanks. ===== ?Somos polvo de estrellas y alg?n d?a a ellas regresaremos, convirtiendonos en parte de su brillo, habiendo alguien que al verlas nos recuerde...!antarix_ at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 10 22:13:00 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:13:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix question... In-Reply-To: <00d201c181a5$2c6d44b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: I'm now in the process of testing postfix on a test listserver, and I've heard about using defered mode to bypass local DNS lookups with Sendmail and Exim... Can anyone tell me how I can do this with Postfix? Is it configured this way to start with? If not can someone tell me what change I need to make in the main.cf file for this. Thanks Again, Richard Idalski From ptomblin at xcski.com Mon Dec 10 22:55:01 2001 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:55:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix question... In-Reply-To: ; from ridalski@nandomedia.com on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 04:13:00PM -0500 References: <00d201c181a5$2c6d44b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011210165500.A23439@allhats.xcski.com> Quoting Richard Idalski (ridalski at nandomedia.com): > > > I'm now in the process of testing postfix on a test listserver, and I've > heard about using defered mode to bypass local DNS lookups with Sendmail and > Exim... Can anyone tell me how I can do this with Postfix? Is it configured > this way to start with? If not can someone tell me what change I need to > make in the main.cf file for this. There is an option in main.cf called "disable_dns_lookups", but I've got it set to "no" with no problems. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "You are all but subwidgets in a composite container whose logical tab group I have registered the traversal order of. I can merely point at you and your popup dialogue will be unmapped unless XmNautoUnmanage is False." From A1800service at aol.com Mon Dec 10 06:06:45 2001 From: A1800service at aol.com (A1800service at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:06:45 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] help Message-ID: <128.9084633.29459ce5@aol.com> I am trying to unpak your mailman.tar.gz and it will not do it, old option or something like that, can you give me a command line that i can use that will unpack and setup what it needs too.. Thanks From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 10 23:14:43 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:14:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help In-Reply-To: <128.9084633.29459ce5@aol.com> Message-ID: I imagine a tar -zxvf mailman.tar.gz would work wonders... if not, you may need to re-download the tar file. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of A1800service at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:07 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] help I am trying to unpak your mailman.tar.gz and it will not do it, old option or something like that, can you give me a command line that i can use that will unpack and setup what it needs too.. Thanks ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From michael at spconnect.com Tue Dec 11 00:11:07 2001 From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:11:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On non-gnu unix (example solaris) you need to have gzip available in the path. gzip -dc mailman.tar.gz |tar xfv - On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Richard Idalski wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:14:43 -0500 > From: Richard Idalski > To: A1800service at aol.com, mailman-users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] help > > I imagine a tar -zxvf mailman.tar.gz would work wonders... > if not, you may need to re-download the tar file. > > > -Richard Idalski > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of A1800service at aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:07 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] help > > > > I am trying to unpak your mailman.tar.gz and it will not do it, > old option or something like that, can you give me a command > line that i can use that will unpack and setup what it needs too.. > > Thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jbarnum at descriptor.com Tue Dec 11 04:45:53 2001 From: jbarnum at descriptor.com (Joel Barnum) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:45:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Help, No Mail Sent Message-ID: <005a01c181f6$551b8790$0600a8c0@thinkpad> I use a web hosting service that's running Mailman 2.0.6. I've setup a few lists in the past couple of months and they were working fine. But in the last week or so, the lists stopped working -- emails sent to the list address don't bounce, but are not forwarded (the proverbial bit bucket). I tried setting the "ack" setting to on, but that didn't work either (no ack sent). But if I subscribe a new email address, the welcome message is sent. I opened a support ticket with the hosting service, and they assured me that "We have checked the mail list server and it is sending out emails at this time". My question is: what can I tell the support people to check so they can fix the problem? Joel Barnum From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Tue Dec 11 05:39:14 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:39:14 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman Posting mail Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011211.4391400@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear List I have configured mailman, i get the acknowledgment mail after subscribtion. Later my mails to the list are not posted to me. How to make the mails to post back to the subsribers. Thanks in Advance Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011211/a5327b83/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Tue Dec 11 06:52:49 2001 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:52:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] struggling with "minor" mailman upgrade Message-ID: <15381.40753.337709.33595@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> Over the past week I have upgraded several bits and pieces of the machine from which I run a small number of Mailman-administered mailing lists. Mail still isn't flowing, the natives are getting restless, and I'm about to throw my laptop out the window. I'm hopeful someone here can steer me in the right direction. I am running Mandrake 8.1, sendmail 8.12.1 and mailman 2.0.8. Any time I try to post a message to the mailing list I get the following barf from smrsh: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu" (reason: Service unavailable) (expanded from: cedu-admin ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable /usr/sbin/smrsh was compiled with /etc/smrsh as its CMDDIR, verified with the strings command: # strings -a /usr/sbin/smrsh | egrep /etc /etc/smrsh /etc/smrsh contains a link to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: # ls -l /etc/smrsh/wrapper lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Mar 14 2001 /etc/smrsh/wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper* which, when dereferenced, seems fine to me: # ls -lL /etc/smrsh/wrapper -rwxr-sr-x 1 skip mailman 39212 Dec 10 13:41 /etc/smrsh/wrapper* If I run the above wrapper command manually, it complains: # /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?) This I don't understand, because the program is clearly set gid to the mailman group (which happens to be gid 70, not 12 or 0 - gid 12 is the mail group). Mailman was configured as ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nogroup I tried configuring with-mail-gid=mailman instead and got: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu" (reason: 2) (expanded from: cedu-admin ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 70, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take 12?) 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 FWIW, /usr/sbin/sendmail is setgid smmsp (gid == 25). Should that be the with-mail-gid? Before upgrading from Mandrake 7.2 to 8.1 I was happily using sendmail 8.12.0 and mailman 2.0.6. After the upgrade I fell back to sendmail 8.11.6 and my problems began. Today I installed sendmail 8.12.1 and upgraded to mailman 2.0.8. Any suggestions appreciated... -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Tue Dec 11 11:32:49 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 11 Dec 2001 10:32:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New FAQ entry: broken autoresponders In-Reply-To: References: <20011203141642.A2745@mems-exchange.org> <5021.1007748652@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <1008066770.9746.0.camel@gaspode.localnet> Steve Lay wrote: > Is it possible to filter the envelope sender on a list? If so, > filtering senders like MAILER-DAEMON would catch groupwise (the > worst I've come across) and postmaster would catch one other that > I know of too. Ideally, this would be done by mailman itself. > Would these envelope addresses ever constitute legitimate > postings? [Quoting J C Lawrence ] > >More simply, if the return path of a message is ever null ("<>"), it > >should be bounced from wrapper post. Although I would not be suprised if a Groupwise bounce message did not have envelope sender set null :-( Can we assume that Return-Path: is a standard delivery of envelope sender information into the Mailman scripts? > Mailman (post 1.1) does this bounce detection - presumably by looking at > the envelope sender in the first instance. I think I'm arguing for > envelope senders of "postmaster[@domain]" and "mailer-daemon[@domain]" to > be treated as failure messages by bounce detection code too. People with > broken autoresponders would then get treated as if their address was > failing while they took a vacation. This appeals to me as the punishment > gets inflicted on the trouble maker, not the innocent list admin or (even > worse) the other subscribers. In general I agree with this, however I know of at least one very long time admin who frequently (possibly always) works from a postmaster account rather than his own.... Nigel. From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Tue Dec 11 11:49:44 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 11 Dec 2001 10:49:44 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripping out HTML In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122092320.021d3fd0@linux.midrange.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122092320.021d3fd0@linux.midrange.com> Message-ID: <1008067784.9746.2.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Thu, 2001-11-22 at 15:27, David Gibbs wrote: > My personal recommendation ... upgrade to mailman 2.0.6 (at minimum, > probably best to go to 2.0.7) and apply Geoff Dairiki's demime patch. > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103 Any of the sourceforge people want to work out why this patch does *not* show up in the list of patches against mailman, although referencing it directly works fine. Nigel. From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Tue Dec 11 11:52:56 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 11 Dec 2001 10:52:56 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing possibility to stop attachments In-Reply-To: <3C114EDD.CC9D61DA@pcraft.com> References: <3C107109.8709CED5@basalmed.uio.no> <3C114EDD.CC9D61DA@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <1008067976.9747.4.camel@gaspode.localnet> I've taken this set of stuff and pushed it into a FAQ entry http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 23:21, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > You can also employ your own, external scanner, or whatever flavor > program you want. > > Most of these viruses/attachments come in as MIME encoded, so you can > always use stripmime[1], or demime[2] to get that stuff off of the message > prior to submitting it to the list. You can go one step further, and look > into MIMEDefang[3], which does a pletora of things for you. There's also > Quarantine[4], which will strip out any type of attachments to your > message. All of these solutions are external to Mailman (in fact MIMEDefang > hooks into sendmail - if you're running it), so you can always end up with > "clean" messages going through your list. > > [1] - http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html > [2] - http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html > [3] - http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/ > [4] - http://www.johncon.com/john/QuarantineAttachments/ > From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Tue Dec 11 11:58:46 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 11 Dec 2001 10:58:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.0.8 In-Reply-To: <04b301c180c5$21533b60$0100a8c0@mmoliver.org> References: <15371.50345.771582.437934@grendel.zope.com><15371.48065.120593.653140@anthe m.wooz.org><01ce01c17c4f$1f31c2e0$0100a8c0@mmoliver.org> <15372.3454.866008.4322@anthem.wooz.org> <04b301c180c5$21533b60$0100a8c0@mmoliver.org> Message-ID: <1008068326.9746.6.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 15:21, Miles D. Oliver wrote: > I now have a functioning implementation of Mailman 2.0.8 > > With one strange quirk.. > > Not all of my lists are showing up in the main admin page. I have 2 lists > and only 1 is being shown. Go to the admin page, General Options, bottom entry is "Base URL for Mailman web interface". The help tells you it is used to decide which lists match which virtual host names. You should have this value the same on both your lists. Nigel. From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Tue Dec 11 12:09:18 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 11 Dec 2001 11:09:18 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... In-Reply-To: <17721.1008006409@kanga.nu> References: <17721.1008006409@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <1008068958.9746.9.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 17:46, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:18:17 -0500 > Richard Idalski wrote: > > > I have an existing mailman install of v2.06, it's under heavy > > daily use, so downtime isn't really an option. What is the > > suimplest way to upgrade to v2.08 with the least amount of time > > down? > > Build the new Mailman. Stop your MTA. Install the new Mailman. > Start your MTA. Your MTA downtime should be measured in single > digit minutes. Personally, being slightly paranoid, I use the following approach:- - Build new Mailman - Stop MTA, Web server and Crond - Install Mailman - Start MTA, Web server and Crond I worry about what happens if people are using the web f/e or a cron job fires at a critical moment. New FAQ - 4.14 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.014.htp Nigel. From ptomblin at xcski.com Tue Dec 11 13:56:04 2001 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:56:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using procmail with mailman Message-ID: <20011211075604.A2460@allhats.xcski.com> I was all set to write up a faq entry for using procmail to filter mail before it hits mailman, but after I typed it in it asked for a password which I don't know. If somebody thinks the following has merit, please add it to the FAQ for me: Title: How do I filter incoming mail before it hits mailman I spam filter incoming mail on my public lists using procmail. It doesn't require changing either procmail or Mailman. What I did was put my procmail filter in /etc/procmailrcs/mailman (your procmail may want it somewhere else) and change the ownership so that it belongs to the group that I configured mailman's "--with-mail-gid=", in my case nobody.nobody. I replaced the mail list alias, from lugor-announce: "|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post lugor-announce to lugor-announce: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=lugor-announce /etc/procmailrcs/mailman The procmail filter I use stores spam in a folder for review in mailman's Mail directory, but they belong to "nobody", not "mailman", which can be a minor problem at times. The last lines of the procmail filter pass the mail (if it wasn't filed as spam) to mailman with the commands: :0 |/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN} Because I used to use an older version of Mailman that mistook the "Sender:" header for the envelope sender (somebody misread RFC 822!), I also used that procmail filter to strip out the Sender header, using the lines: :0 f | formail -R "Sender:" "X-Former-Sender:" before the lines above. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert. From aewhale at abs-comptech.com Tue Dec 11 16:37:11 2001 From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:37:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] struggling with "minor" mailman upgrade References: <15381.40753.337709.33595@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> Message-ID: <3C162827.E54AFD6D@abs-comptech.com> Skip, Ran into the same problem myself. The difference you are reporting is the wrapper program in /etc/smrsh and in /home/mailman/mail/. It's difficult to maintain separate copies or to update the copies as necessary. You should change the /etc/smrsh/wrapper entry into a Logical link in /home/mailman/mail/wrapper. That way when you update the /home/mailman/mail/wrapper program the same happens in the /etc/smrsh/wrapper. Imagine if you will having a separate mailman_wrapper file because the Majordomo Utility is still active on your server. Yet another level of complexity. This should put you back on the path. HTH. Skip Montanaro wrote: > Over the past week I have upgraded several bits and pieces of the machine > from which I run a small number of Mailman-administered mailing lists. Mail > still isn't flowing, the natives are getting restless, and I'm about to > throw my laptop out the window. I'm hopeful someone here can steer me in > the right direction. > > I am running Mandrake 8.1, sendmail 8.12.1 and mailman 2.0.8. Any time I > try to post a message to the mailing list I get the following barf from > smrsh: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu" > (reason: Service unavailable) > (expanded from: cedu-admin ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > /usr/sbin/smrsh was compiled with /etc/smrsh as its CMDDIR, verified with > the strings command: > > # strings -a /usr/sbin/smrsh | egrep /etc > /etc/smrsh > > /etc/smrsh contains a link to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: > > # ls -l /etc/smrsh/wrapper > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Mar 14 2001 /etc/smrsh/wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper* > > which, when dereferenced, seems fine to me: > > # ls -lL /etc/smrsh/wrapper > -rwxr-sr-x 1 skip mailman 39212 Dec 10 13:41 /etc/smrsh/wrapper* > > If I run the above wrapper command manually, it complains: > > # /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?) > > This I don't understand, because the program is clearly set gid to the > mailman group (which happens to be gid 70, not 12 or 0 - gid 12 is the mail > group). Mailman was configured as > > ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nogroup > > I tried configuring with-mail-gid=mailman instead and got: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu" > (reason: 2) > (expanded from: cedu-admin ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 70, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take 12?) > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > > FWIW, /usr/sbin/sendmail is setgid smmsp (gid == 25). Should that be the > with-mail-gid? > > Before upgrading from Mandrake 7.2 to 8.1 I was happily using sendmail > 8.12.0 and mailman 2.0.6. After the upgrade I fell back to sendmail 8.11.6 > and my problems began. Today I installed sendmail 8.12.1 and upgraded to > mailman 2.0.8. > > Any suggestions appreciated... > > -- > Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant From ridalski at nandomedia.com Tue Dec 11 16:46:43 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:46:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix question... In-Reply-To: <20011210165500.A23439@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: For some reason or another this option doesn't seem to exist in my main.cf file. I'm running a fresh install of the postfix src file postfix-20010228-pl08, which as far asI know is the latest stable release with the latest patches off the postfix website. IS there something I'm missing or need to add in order to enable this feature? This feature is the primary reason I want to switch from sendmail to postfix. Thanks, Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Paul Tomblin Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:55 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix question... Quoting Richard Idalski (ridalski at nandomedia.com): > > > I'm now in the process of testing postfix on a test listserver, and I've > heard about using defered mode to bypass local DNS lookups with Sendmail and > Exim... Can anyone tell me how I can do this with Postfix? Is it configured > this way to start with? If not can someone tell me what change I need to > make in the main.cf file for this. There is an option in main.cf called "disable_dns_lookups", but I've got it set to "no" with no problems. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "You are all but subwidgets in a composite container whose logical tab group I have registered the traversal order of. I can merely point at you and your popup dialogue will be unmapped unless XmNautoUnmanage is False." ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu Tue Dec 11 16:37:32 2001 From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers) Date: 11 Dec 2001 09:37:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership management Message-ID: <1008085053.1933.3.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Is there a way for me (the administrator) to change a users email address. Or do I need to have the user unsubscribe and then resubscribe with their new address? Thanks, Kirk From aewhale at abs-comptech.com Tue Dec 11 16:42:23 2001 From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:42:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] struggling with "minor" mailman upgrade References: <15381.40753.337709.33595@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> Message-ID: <3C16295F.16154AB@abs-comptech.com> Skip, One more thing that I forgot to mention earlier, Sendmail 8.12.1 and smrsh also use the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory. I am not certain, but this may be in place of the /etc/smrsh directory. HTH. Skip Montanaro wrote: > Over the past week I have upgraded several bits and pieces of the machine > from which I run a small number of Mailman-administered mailing lists. Mail > still isn't flowing, the natives are getting restless, and I'm about to > throw my laptop out the window. I'm hopeful someone here can steer me in > the right direction. > > I am running Mandrake 8.1, sendmail 8.12.1 and mailman 2.0.8. Any time I > try to post a message to the mailing list I get the following barf from > smrsh: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu" > (reason: Service unavailable) > (expanded from: cedu-admin ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > /usr/sbin/smrsh was compiled with /etc/smrsh as its CMDDIR, verified with > the strings command: > > # strings -a /usr/sbin/smrsh | egrep /etc > /etc/smrsh > > /etc/smrsh contains a link to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: > > # ls -l /etc/smrsh/wrapper > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Mar 14 2001 /etc/smrsh/wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper* > > which, when dereferenced, seems fine to me: > > # ls -lL /etc/smrsh/wrapper > -rwxr-sr-x 1 skip mailman 39212 Dec 10 13:41 /etc/smrsh/wrapper* > > If I run the above wrapper command manually, it complains: > > # /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?) > > This I don't understand, because the program is clearly set gid to the > mailman group (which happens to be gid 70, not 12 or 0 - gid 12 is the mail > group). Mailman was configured as > > ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nogroup > > I tried configuring with-mail-gid=mailman instead and got: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner cedu" > (reason: 2) > (expanded from: cedu-admin ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 70, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take 12?) > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > > FWIW, /usr/sbin/sendmail is setgid smmsp (gid == 25). Should that be the > with-mail-gid? > > Before upgrading from Mandrake 7.2 to 8.1 I was happily using sendmail > 8.12.0 and mailman 2.0.6. After the upgrade I fell back to sendmail 8.11.6 > and my problems began. Today I installed sendmail 8.12.1 and upgraded to > mailman 2.0.8. > > Any suggestions appreciated... > > -- > Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant From ridalski at nandomedia.com Tue Dec 11 16:52:55 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership management In-Reply-To: <1008085053.1933.3.camel@lorax.forestry.umn.edu> Message-ID: Under /$prefix/mailman/bin/ there a command called 'clone_member' see if thats what you need. clone_member Use this script to clone an address on a particular list into different address. This is useful when someone is changing email addresses and wants to keep all their old configuration options. Eventually members will be able to do their own cloning, but for now, only the site administrator can do this. Command line options let you remove the old address, clone addresses in the list managers addresses, etc. Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Kirk R. Wythers Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:38 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership management Is there a way for me (the administrator) to change a users email address. Or do I need to have the user unsubscribe and then resubscribe with their new address? Thanks, Kirk ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From skip at pobox.com Tue Dec 11 17:02:05 2001 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:02:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] struggling with "minor" mailman upgrade In-Reply-To: <3C162827.E54AFD6D@abs-comptech.com> References: <15381.40753.337709.33595@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> <3C162827.E54AFD6D@abs-comptech.com> Message-ID: <15382.11773.842569.183624@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> Albert> You should change the /etc/smrsh/wrapper entry into a Logical Albert> link in /home/mailman/mail/wrapper. ... Albert> One more thing that I forgot to mention earlier, Sendmail 8.12.1 Albert> and smrsh also use the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory. Thanks for the suggestions, however, smsrh was compiled with /etc/smrsh as the link directory and /etc/smrsh/wrapper is a symlink to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper already. -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From dan at ssc.com Tue Dec 11 17:09:18 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:09:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix question... In-Reply-To: References: <20011210165500.A23439@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: <20011211080918.A24042@ssc.com> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:46:43AM -0500, Richard Idalski wrote: > For some reason or another this option doesn't seem to exist in my main.cf > file. Add it. Try 'man 8 smtp' for documentation. > I'm running a fresh install of the postfix src file postfix-20010228-pl08, > which as far asI know is the latest stable release with the latest patches > off the postfix website. IS there something I'm missing or need to add in I'm running 2011103, but I believe that option has long been present. > order to enable this feature? This feature is the primary reason I want to > switch from sendmail to postfix. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch Tue Dec 11 17:19:22 2001 From: alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch (Alain Chappuis) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:19:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading to 2.08... Message-ID: <3C16320A.F9DFC3C0@medecine.unige.ch> Hello, my 2 cents... >Personally, being slightly paranoid, I use the following approach:- > - Build new Mailman > - Stop MTA, Web server and Crond > - Install Mailman > - Start MTA, Web server and Crond >I worry about what happens if people are using the web f/e or a cron job >fires at a critical moment. Correct :-) But, you did not think of the people who translated the template? For me in Frensh (Not for the new version 2.1) I need to copy in the MM exploitation my template... With not forgetting, so not that speaks in English! New FAQ - 4.14 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.014.htp Nigel. Have a nice day Alain. -- +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Alain Chappuis | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch | | Analyste | WEB : www.medecine.unige.ch | | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis at unige.ch | | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone : +41 (22) [70]25.073 | | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58 | | CH-1211 Geneve 4 | http://ebn.unige.ch/www/alain.html | +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ From gould at cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Dec 11 17:32:30 2001 From: gould at cis.ohio-state.edu (Joshua Gould) Date: 11 Dec 2001 11:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems Message-ID: I have a list admin who forgot his password. In the past I'd always go to the list web page, enter the site password, and then change the password at the bottom of the general options page. This always worked in the past, but no longer seems to work. I enter two copies of the new password and click "Submit your changes". The page reloads and there is no error messages given. If I log out and log back in, the new password is not accepted. I've tried to change the password numerous times this way and it does not seem to work. I haven't had to reset a password since I upgraded to 2.0.8 and was wondering maybe if there is a bug? Joshua Gould From antarix_ at yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 18:34:54 2001 From: antarix_ at yahoo.com (martinez cesar) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:34:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how long.... Message-ID: <20011211173454.4037.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there! How long could be the queue of messages of send mail before to be overflowed???? Thanks. ===== ?Somos polvo de estrellas y alg?n d?a a ellas regresaremos, convirtiendonos en parte de su brillo, habiendo alguien que al verlas nos recuerde...!antarix_ at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From claw at kanga.nu Tue Dec 11 18:53:46 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:53:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using procmail with mailman In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Tomblin of "Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:56:04 EST." <20011211075604.A2460@allhats.xcski.com> References: <20011211075604.A2460@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: <30442.1008093226@kanga.nu> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:56:04 -0500 Paul Tomblin wrote: > If somebody thinks the following has merit, please add it to the > FAQ for me: Done. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From ridalski at nandomedia.com Tue Dec 11 19:00:50 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:00:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix question... In-Reply-To: <20011211080918.A24042@ssc.com> Message-ID: Ok, I've found the 'disable_dns_lookups = no' in the main.cf.defaults file, do i need to simply change it there and reload do a postfix reload, or do I need to add it into the main.cf file as well? If that's the case is that single line all I need to add in there? Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Wilder Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:09 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix question... On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:46:43AM -0500, Richard Idalski wrote: > For some reason or another this option doesn't seem to exist in my main.cf > file. Add it. Try 'man 8 smtp' for documentation. > I'm running a fresh install of the postfix src file postfix-20010228-pl08, > which as far asI know is the latest stable release with the latest patches > off the postfix website. IS there something I'm missing or need to add in I'm running 2011103, but I believe that option has long been present. > order to enable this feature? This feature is the primary reason I want to > switch from sendmail to postfix. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dan at ssc.com Tue Dec 11 19:03:45 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:03:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix question... In-Reply-To: References: <20011211080918.A24042@ssc.com> Message-ID: <20011211100344.B24752@ssc.com> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:00:50PM -0500, Richard Idalski wrote: > > Ok, I've found the 'disable_dns_lookups = no' in the main.cf.defaults file, > do i need to simply change it there and reload do a postfix reload, or do I > need to add it into the main.cf file as well? If that's the case is that > single line all I need to add in there? Add the single line any place you like in main.cf and then as root postfix reload Providing the postfix binary is on root's path, otherwise give full path to postfix, for example /usr/sbin/postfix reload -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From marc_news at vasoftware.com Tue Dec 11 19:15:39 2001 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:15:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripping out HTML In-Reply-To: <1008067784.9746.2.camel@gaspode.localnet>; from Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:49:44AM +0000 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122092320.021d3fd0@linux.midrange.com> <1008067784.9746.2.camel@gaspode.localnet> Message-ID: <20011211101539.F16258@magic.merlins.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:49:44AM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > On Thu, 2001-11-22 at 15:27, David Gibbs wrote: > > My personal recommendation ... upgrade to mailman 2.0.6 (at minimum, > > probably best to go to 2.0.7) and apply Geoff Dairiki's demime patch. > > > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > Any of the sourceforge people want to work out why this patch does *not* > show up in the list of patches against mailman, although referencing it > directly works fine. For sf.net requests, you want to open a support request on the sf.net web site instead of hoping that I'll relay the request for you ;-) (and if it's not my bug, I'd have to open the request and type it in for you) All that said, the patch you mention is listed in the list of patches against mailman, right here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=300103&group_id=103&func=browse "413752 Coerce posts to plain text.* 2001-04-04 17:23 nobody dairiki" Marc PS: Please do not post/Cc my private Email address in a public mailing list -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 11 19:18:08 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121113180800.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> Check the mailman/locks directory and see if someone has the list held open. To look at the encrypted password (and see if it gets changed) you can use the following command line: ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~/mailman/lists//config.db |grep password Jon Carnes === On Tuesday 11 December 2001 11:32, Joshua Gould wrote: > I have a list admin who forgot his password. In the past I'd always go > to the list web page, enter the site password, and then change the > password at the bottom of the general options page. > > This always worked in the past, but no longer seems to work. I enter > two copies of the new password and click "Submit your changes". The > page reloads and there is no error messages given. > > If I log out and log back in, the new password is not accepted. I've > tried to change the password numerous times this way and it does not > seem to work. > > I haven't had to reset a password since I upgraded to 2.0.8 and was > wondering maybe if there is a bug? > > > Joshua Gould > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org Tue Dec 11 19:23:19 2001 From: galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org (George Galang) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:23:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd bounce messages returned Message-ID: I am running Mandrake 8.1 with Mailman 2.0.7 and just had an odd occurance. A bounce message got sent directly back to the list and bounced around quite a bit (40+ messages) before I was able to remove the offending address. The format of the bounce message is below, but I need to know how I can catch this bounce message and at the very least, not spam the list with it. --BOUNCE MESSAGE-- Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: Jason Patton (Mailbox or Conference is full.) --BOUNCE MESSAGE-- -- George Galang - 9803004 From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 11 19:32:22 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:32:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd bounce messages returned In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121113322201.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> This is a perfect opportunity for you to use the new FAQ entry about using procmail to front-end your mailing list. Procmail can filter out the message based on any number of criteria. Once you start, you'll never go back! http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py On Tuesday 11 December 2001 13:23, George Galang wrote: > I am running Mandrake 8.1 with Mailman 2.0.7 and just had an odd > occurance. A bounce message got sent directly back to the list and > bounced around quite a bit (40+ messages) before I was able to remove > the offending address. The format of the bounce message is below, but > I need to know how I can catch this bounce message and at the very > least, not spam the list with it. > > > --BOUNCE MESSAGE-- > Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: > > Jason Patton (Mailbox or Conference is full.) > --BOUNCE MESSAGE-- > > > -- > George Galang - 9803004 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From joe at apollo.wuacc.edu Tue Dec 11 19:36:01 2001 From: joe at apollo.wuacc.edu (Joe Hewitt) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:36:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting rid of admin request notices Message-ID: <0112111236010H.01474@apollo.wuacc.edu> Hi, I'm not much of a programmer, but I did manage write a little python program that will zap pending requests and delete the held-msg messages. I would like to be able to turn off the notices when I remove the requests and the messages, but mailman continues to send the admin notices. The one good thing is that after I run the script and go to the admin request screen, I can click 'submit' once and mailman cleans up the database and recognizes that the requests are gone. Is there a flag that I change to stop the notices on my non-existent admin requests? I'm obviously missing a step here. Any help would be appreciated. I'm running 2.05. Thanks. -- Joe Hewitt Linux Coordinator School of Law Washburn University From ridalski at nandomedia.com Tue Dec 11 19:49:24 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:49:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ Question... In-Reply-To: <0112111236010H.01474@apollo.wuacc.edu> Message-ID: I saw this in the mailman FAQ for tuning sendmail: You can do this without modifying your sendmail files at all. Instead, in your startup script, add: /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=NNNN,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 Where NNNN is some port number not otherwise used (you can test if something's in use by doing "telnet localhost NNNN" -- if it's refused, there's no daemon listening) This sets up a sendmail process listening to the alternate port, in DEFER mode, but set to talk only to the localhost interface, so it's not accessible by anyoneother than your local machine: no open relay problems. This could theoretically solve all my problems... My question is: If there are a certin amount of domains that I DO need to relay mail for, can this still work? and if so, how? -Richard Idalski From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 11 19:48:48 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:48:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting rid of admin request notices In-Reply-To: <0112111236010H.01474@apollo.wuacc.edu> References: <0112111236010H.01474@apollo.wuacc.edu> Message-ID: <01121113484802.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> See FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp I solve the problem using a simple script. The step you are missing is that you need to blank out the file ~mailman/lists//request.db A portion of the held message is stored in this database. This is used to display information to the Admin web interface so that you can decide whether to Accept, Discard, or Reject a message. The mailman cron reminder checks the request.db for each list (rather than scan the data directory for held messages). An empty request.db simply contains {. I keep a copy of the empty database and periodically overwrite the other one.... Haven't been bothered by notices since! I was going to write it in python, but the script was sooo simple (2 lines) that I left it as is. Jon Carnes === On Tuesday 11 December 2001 13:36, Joe Hewitt wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not much of a programmer, but I did manage write a little python > program that will zap pending requests and delete the held-msg messages. > > I would like to be able to turn off the notices when I remove the > requests and the messages, but mailman continues to send the admin > notices. The one good thing is that after I run the script and go to the > admin request screen, I can click 'submit' once and mailman cleans up the > database and recognizes that the requests are gone. > > Is there a flag that I change to stop the notices on my non-existent > admin requests? I'm obviously missing a step here. > > Any help would be appreciated. I'm running 2.05. > > Thanks. From gould at cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Dec 11 20:06:42 2001 From: gould at cis.ohio-state.edu (Joshua Gould) Date: 11 Dec 2001 14:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems In-Reply-To: Jon Carnes's message of "Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:18:08 -0500" References: <01121113180800.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Jon Carnes writes: > Check the mailman/locks directory and see if someone has the list held open. > > To look at the encrypted password (and see if it gets changed) you can use > the following command line: > ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~/mailman/lists//config.db |grep password > I have verified that no locks exist by looking in the locks directory. I am still not able to change the list administrator password for one of the lists. Just to recap, I log in with the site password and at the bottom of general options I enter the new password twice and click "Submit your changes". The page reloads and no errors are given. If I logout and try the new password, it does not work. Joshua From polb at cableinet.co.uk Tue Dec 11 19:07:31 2001 From: polb at cableinet.co.uk (paul) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:07:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] capacity Message-ID: How many members can a mailman list hold? tia Paul Butler From JohnJ at ActiveState.com Tue Dec 11 20:53:23 2001 From: JohnJ at ActiveState.com (John Jones) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:53:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Runaway python processes Message-ID: Gentlemen, We are noticing a recurring (every few days this happens) number of runaway Python threads on our mailing list server, and was wondering if there is any known reasons why this would be happening or if anyone has encountered this before? The threads are chewing up CPU time and I just killed 4 of them, each in the hundreds of minutes of CPU time, the load average on the server was skyhigh and crawling. Now correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the queue still fills when this is happening, which was creating a logjam. qmail-remote processes are still spawning, so things are running again, but while I am right now reading through the documentation and trying to understand the code (not an accomplished programmer), I would appreciate some help here. Would creating a cron job that scans for runaway Python processes (running for more than 10:00, for instance) be okay, or does that break something? Mailman: 2.0.5 Python: Active Python 2.1, build 210 Linux: Redhat 6.2 (Zoot) John Jones, Systems Admin http://www.ActiveState.com Programming for the People From p at dirac.org Tue Dec 11 21:10:22 2001 From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:10:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete non-member postings offhand Message-ID: <20011211201022.GA20881@dirac.org> hi there, we're getting too much spam to the list -- it's getting to be a hardship. currently, we don't allow non-members to post to the list. a non-member posting gets put into a queue to be approved/rejected. is there a way to just reject these postings without admin intervention? pete -- ** Please don't send me html email ** PGP Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D PGP Public Key: finger p at dirac.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Dec 11 21:21:05 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:21:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] capacity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011211152105.A23498@mems-exchange.org> On 11 December 2001, paul said: > How many members can a mailman list hold? There's no builtin limit. Lists up to a few thousand don't present any serious problems. Any bigger than that, and you have to carefully tune your MTA and Mailman in concert. See the FAQ at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index for tuning information (section 6 -- currently only Exim and Sendmail are described). Greg From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Dec 11 21:32:41 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:32:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New FAQ entry for maximum list size Message-ID: <20011211153241.B23148@mems-exchange.org> New FAQ candidate: "How big can a Mailman list be?". The answer should be pretty simple, but the biggest list I have direct experience managing is only 1600 subscribers. My impression from reading the list is that things start to get interesting somewhere in the thousands. Can those of you with experience clue me in on: * how big a list can get before you have to worry about tuning at all (probably < 1600, since we had to worry about it a bit for our list) * how big a list can get before you *must* worry about tuning * the biggest list anyone has ever managed with Mailman Please reply directly to me; I'll post a summary (and write it up as a FAQ). Greg From gpxr at optushome.com.au Tue Dec 11 21:33:44 2001 From: gpxr at optushome.com.au (Phil) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:33:44 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.07 on a Raq4r Message-ID: <038601c18283$21131570$0400a8c0@co3040118a> Hi There I'm having a lot of trouble getting Mailman to work right. If you subscribe using the subscribe web page it doesn't send a confirmation of subscription email out but if you use the mass subscribe you are subscribe but you don't get a welcome email but you can post to the list here are some of the logs this is out of /home/mailman/logs/smtp Dec 09 09:54:50 2001 (4161) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0 ... No such user here', 'test-admin at op$ Dec 09 09:54:50 2001 (4161) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.128 seconds Dec 09 10:09:10 2001 (5481) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0 ... No such user here', 'test-admin at op$ Dec 09 10:09:10 2001 (5481) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.075 seconds Dec 09 10:10:19 2001 (5569) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0 ... No such user here', 'test-admin at op$ this is out of /var/log/maillog Dec 9 16:00:03 www imapd[32722]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1] Dec 9 16:00:04 www sendmail[32725]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA Dec 9 16:15:04 www imapd[1552]: imap service init from 127.0.0.1 Dec 9 16:15:04 www imapd[1552]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1] Dec 9 16:15:05 www sendmail[1554]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA If someone can help that would be great Thanks Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011212/fab68e9b/attachment.htm From haroldp at sierraweb.com Tue Dec 11 21:56:20 2001 From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:56:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ Question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Richard, I remember someone (Chuq I think) suggesting this in the past. But it looks to me like this would set up sendmail to ONLY listen on your NNNN port, and no longer listen for "normal" mail on 25 (actually, I think I tested this the last time it came up). So if you want to continue using sendmail for the rest of the mail on the system, like incoming Mailman messages for instance, you would need to run two daemons for this. Does this mean setting up two queues or will they peacefully coexist with one? I don't know. I suspect I will be running Postfix before I figure it out. - H >I saw this in the mailman FAQ for tuning sendmail: > >You can do this without modifying your sendmail files at all. Instead, in >your startup script, add: > > > /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ > -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=NNNN,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 > >Where NNNN is some port number not otherwise used (you can test if >something's in use by doing "telnet localhost NNNN" -- if it's refused, >there's no daemon listening) >This sets up a sendmail process listening to the alternate port, in DEFER >mode, but set to talk only to the localhost interface, so it's not >accessible by anyoneother than your local machine: no open relay problems. > > This could theoretically solve all my problems... My question is: If there >are a certin amount of domains that I DO need to relay mail for, can this >still work? and if so, how? > > > -Richard Idalski -- Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 From ridalski at nandomedia.com Tue Dec 11 22:11:33 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:11:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ Question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the info, I did a little looking into on my own, and I'm not thinking this will be working on my system, So right now I'm i the process of figuring out how find the eqivilent of the local_host_names file from sendmail for postfix, then I'll be runnning postfix here. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Harold Paulson Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:56 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ Question... Richard, I remember someone (Chuq I think) suggesting this in the past. But it looks to me like this would set up sendmail to ONLY listen on your NNNN port, and no longer listen for "normal" mail on 25 (actually, I think I tested this the last time it came up). So if you want to continue using sendmail for the rest of the mail on the system, like incoming Mailman messages for instance, you would need to run two daemons for this. Does this mean setting up two queues or will they peacefully coexist with one? I don't know. I suspect I will be running Postfix before I figure it out. - H >I saw this in the mailman FAQ for tuning sendmail: > >You can do this without modifying your sendmail files at all. Instead, in >your startup script, add: > > > /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ > -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=NNNN,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 > >Where NNNN is some port number not otherwise used (you can test if >something's in use by doing "telnet localhost NNNN" -- if it's refused, >there's no daemon listening) >This sets up a sendmail process listening to the alternate port, in DEFER >mode, but set to talk only to the localhost interface, so it's not >accessible by anyoneother than your local machine: no open relay problems. > > This could theoretically solve all my problems... My question is: If there >are a certin amount of domains that I DO need to relay mail for, can this >still work? and if so, how? > > > -Richard Idalski -- Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From gould at cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Dec 11 22:24:55 2001 From: gould at cis.ohio-state.edu (Joshua Gould) Date: 11 Dec 2001 16:24:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archives Message-ID: Is there an easy way to completely disable mailing list archives? I know that an option exists for reach list, but the users can simply re-enable it. Can I simply edit some config file to disable archives site wide? I'd think this would be a fairly common question, but I didn't see it in the FAQ. Joshua From ganeshh at naturesoft.net Tue Dec 11 05:38:08 2001 From: ganeshh at naturesoft.net (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:38:08 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Posting mails problem Message-ID: <20011211.4380800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear List I have configured mailman, i get the acknowledgment mail after subscribtions. Later my mails to the list are not posted to me. How to make the mails to post back to the subsribers. Thanks in Advance Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011211/cfc8868e/attachment.html From ft at flop.com Tue Dec 11 06:48:27 2001 From: ft at flop.com (Fereydoun Tavangary) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:48:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question Message-ID: <3C159E2B.9060101@flop.com> How do I create a list for announcments only? with no members right! Thanks, Fereydoun From zzr1100 at optushome.com.au Tue Dec 11 21:30:24 2001 From: zzr1100 at optushome.com.au (Phil) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:30:24 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.07 on a Raq4r Message-ID: <035801c18282$a9f1a5b0$0400a8c0@co3040118a> Hi There I'm having a lot of trouble getting Mailman to work right. If you subscribe using the subscribe web page it doesn't send a confirmation of subscription email out but if you use the mass subscribe you are subscribe but you don't get a welcome email but you can post to the list here are some of the logs this is out of /home/mailman/logs/smtp Dec 09 09:54:50 2001 (4161) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0 ... No such user here', 'test-admin at op$ Dec 09 09:54:50 2001 (4161) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.128 seconds Dec 09 10:09:10 2001 (5481) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0 ... No such user here', 'test-admin at op$ Dec 09 10:09:10 2001 (5481) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.075 seconds Dec 09 10:10:19 2001 (5569) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0 ... No such user here', 'test-admin at op$ this is out of /var/log/maillog Dec 9 16:00:03 www imapd[32722]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1] Dec 9 16:00:04 www sendmail[32725]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA Dec 9 16:15:04 www imapd[1552]: imap service init from 127.0.0.1 Dec 9 16:15:04 www imapd[1552]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1] Dec 9 16:15:05 www sendmail[1554]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA If someone can help that would be great Thanks Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011212/44fb682e/attachment.htm From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Wed Dec 12 00:12:39 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:12:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using procmail with mailman Message-ID: <200112112313.PAA00872@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > I was all set to write up a faq entry for using procmail to filter mail > before it hits mailman, but after I typed it in it asked for a password > which I don't know. The password is Mailman, which Barry posted here when he announced the FAQ. From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 12 00:54:23 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archives References: Message-ID: <0d2401c1829f$28b78010$0b04010a@JCARNES> Oddly enough, this is under the Archival section of the web-admin... You can turn it off there. Then, if you want to remove all the old archives, you will need to login to the server and delete the files out of ~mailman/archives/private// Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Gould" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archives > > Is there an easy way to completely disable mailing list archives? I > know that an option exists for reach list, but the users can simply > re-enable it. > > Can I simply edit some config file to disable archives site wide? > > I'd think this would be a fairly common question, but I didn't see it > in the FAQ. > > > Joshua > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 12 00:57:31 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete non-member postings offhand References: <20011211201022.GA20881@dirac.org> Message-ID: <0d3401c1829f$98d3c1b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jay Salzman"

To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete non-member postings offhand > hi there, > > we're getting too much spam to the list -- it's getting to be a hardship. > > currently, we don't allow non-members to post to the list. a non-member > posting gets put into a queue to be approved/rejected. > > is there a way to just reject these postings without admin intervention? > > pete > > -- > ** Please don't send me html email ** > PGP Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D > PGP Public Key: finger p at dirac.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 12 01:05:18 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:05:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems References: <01121113180800.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <0d4601c182a0$af470550$0b04010a@JCARNES> Hmmm, the next thing I would check would be the database to see if it is corrupt... there is a ~mailman/bin/.. command that lets you do that. Are there any entries in the ~mailman/logs/... that happen at that time? Have you checked your servers resources: memory, hd space, etc..? Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Gould" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] password problems > Jon Carnes writes: > > > Check the mailman/locks directory and see if someone has the list held open. > > > > To look at the encrypted password (and see if it gets changed) you can use > > the following command line: > > ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~/mailman/lists//config.db |grep password > > > > I have verified that no locks exist by looking in the locks directory. > > I am still not able to change the list administrator password for one > of the lists. > > Just to recap, I log in with the site password and at the bottom of > general options I enter the new password twice and click "Submit your > changes". The page reloads and no errors are given. If I logout and > try the new password, it does not work. > > > Joshua > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From p at dirac.org Wed Dec 12 02:38:05 2001 From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:38:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete non-member postings offhand In-Reply-To: <0d3401c1829f$98d3c1b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <20011211201022.GA20881@dirac.org> <0d3401c1829f$98d3c1b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011212013805.GB27527@dirac.org> egads. i think i'll try using procmail to filter instead. it sounds simpler. oh, and this time i did look at the FAQ. :-) sorry jon! pete begin Jon Carnes > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Jay Salzman"

> To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:10 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to delete non-member postings offhand > > > > hi there, > > > > we're getting too much spam to the list -- it's getting to be a hardship. > > > > currently, we don't allow non-members to post to the list. a non-member > > posting gets put into a queue to be approved/rejected. > > > > is there a way to just reject these postings without admin intervention? -- ** Please don't send me html email ** PGP Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D PGP Public Key: finger p at dirac.org From cmenzel at tamu.edu Wed Dec 12 05:54:18 2001 From: cmenzel at tamu.edu (Chris Menzel) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:54:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper generates OS error Message-ID: <20011212045418.GF1767@tamu.edu> I installed Mailman 2.0.8 on my Linux box and the install was unproblematic. However, when I set up a new test list (mm-test), mailman was unable to confirm subscription requests -- replies sent to mm-test-request generated an OS error; specifically: Dec 11 22:34:07 philebus sendmail[7022]: fBC4Y7N07021: \ to="|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mm-test",\ ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00,\ xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30015, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating \ system error GIDs are correctly set for running mailman scripts. Any suggestions appreciated. Chris Menzel From lrosa at venus.it Wed Dec 12 10:53:57 2001 From: lrosa at venus.it (lrosa at venus.it) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:53:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] message footer Message-ID: <09535778100072@domperignon.venus.it> Is there a way to change via script shell the footer of the messages? My goal is to change the footer with a script shell launched periodically by cron, something like myprogram > /home/mailman/[whatever] or something like that. Is there the possibility to do this? Thank you Luigi From rodolfo at linux.org.uy Wed Dec 12 14:07:33 2001 From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: 12 Dec 2001 10:07:33 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Secure server Message-ID: <1008162454.18369.6.camel@claudia> Is there are any way to have the passoword authentication under a secure server (https) ?? Can you give me some tip? -- Rodolfo Pilas Quien los puso a estos tipos donde estan, rodolfo at linux.org.uy Quien los deja seguir en su lugar, http://rodolfo.pilas.net Quien los baja ahora de su altar, ICQ #17461636 Quien les paga para que hagan lo que haran http://xtralinux.org -=# Apocalipsis Now % Cuarteto de Nos #=- Public GnuPG key: http://www.keyserver.net 1024D/57153363 2001-06-02 key fingerprint = DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0 48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363 From camel at lrllamas.com Wed Dec 12 14:32:55 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:32:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] open relay probes... Message-ID: <200112121332.fBCDWuE02610@camel.lrllamas.com> Need a little help - Getting relay probes from AOL and obiz (sic) that are reporting an "open relay" on my servers. (this has only happened after starting the lists) I'm running RH 7.2 w/ sendmail 8.11.x and the config tools are lousy. Anyone have a sure-fire, failsafe way to kill this problem?? (I get a migraine just OPENING sendmail.cf) Any help would be appreciated. - respond "off list" to hold the traffic down if you like. PS: check out the "relaycheck" pages to see if you have this vulnerability. JSC -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From alex at phred.org Wed Dec 12 14:54:47 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:54:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Secure server In-Reply-To: <1008162454.18369.6.camel@claudia> Message-ID: <20011212055357.Q37153-100000@phred.org> On 12 Dec 2001, Rodolfo Pilas wrote: > Is there are any way to have the passoword authentication under a secure > server (https) ?? > > Can you give me some tip? Sure, you can configure apache-ssl to do this. What would be the point though? The list still sends out plaintext passwords, and the passwords exist on disk in plaintext. The list member passwords are not meant to be secure. alex From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Dec 12 15:05:01 2001 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:05:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing people from leaving Message-ID: We are going to implement a few lists through Mailman. Our info dept wants a list of press release people who are not admitted to leave the list by using the lists web site. (ONLY through noticying the list admin). Is this possible? Think I've seen this answered before but can't find where. mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 12 16:11:05 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:11:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] message footer In-Reply-To: <09535778100072@domperignon.venus.it> References: <09535778100072@domperignon.venus.it> Message-ID: <01121210110500.01346@anncons.nc.rr.com> Not a practical solution to any problem I can think of... but yes, you could do something like that: Stop sendmail, restart it in queue-only mode, run qrunner to process the waiting lists, edit the raw messages waiting in sendmails queue, Stop sendmail, and restart it in daemon mode, Let it deliver all the waiting messages - do it all again.... Can't you just edit the footer in the Web-admin to your satisfaction? If not, look at using Procmail. Jon Carnes On Wednesday 12 December 2001 04:53, lrosa at venus.it wrote: > Is there a way to change via script shell the footer of the messages? > > My goal is to change the footer with a script shell launched > periodically by cron, something like > > myprogram > /home/mailman/[whatever] > > or something like that. > > > Is there the possibility to do this? > > > Thank you > > Luigi > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From gould at cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Dec 12 16:15:25 2001 From: gould at cis.ohio-state.edu (Joshua Gould) Date: 12 Dec 2001 10:15:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archives In-Reply-To: "Jon Carnes"'s message of "Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0500" References: <0d2401c1829f$28b78010$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: "Jon Carnes" writes: > Oddly enough, this is under the Archival section of the web-admin... > You can turn it off there. Then, if you want to remove all the old > archives, you will need to login to the server and delete the files out of > ~mailman/archives/private// > Jon, If I'm understanding correctly, you are saying to visit: http://localhost/mailman/admin/testlist/archive and set "Archive messages?" to no. Correct? The problem with this approach is that: 1.> I would have to do it for all of our lists and we have TONS. 2.> New lists are still created with archiving on by default, so you would need to change this for all new lists too. 3.> If this list admin is someone other than me, they can simply log in and re-enable archiving. Is there another way to disable archiving site wide? Joshua From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 12 16:21:35 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:21:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Secure server In-Reply-To: <20011212055357.Q37153-100000@phred.org> References: <20011212055357.Q37153-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <01121210213501.01346@anncons.nc.rr.com> You can always edit out the cron job that sends passwords out... And replace it with a script that sends out a message with a link to the Listinfo pages of the lists that the user is subscribed to. In this way the passwords are not sent out arbitrarily. To get https to work for Mailman is simple. Of course that depends on you installing an https server first (like apache-ssl). Once you have done that, move your mailman cgi definition into the https section of the httpd.conf file. Viola, folks now use https to connect to your mailman install. BTW, the passwords are stored in plain text on your server, but there is no reason in the world that they need to be world readable. They only need to be readable by the group "mailman". So really, there is no reason that a user should have access the them. Jon Carnes On Wednesday 12 December 2001 08:54, alex wetmore wrote: > On 12 Dec 2001, Rodolfo Pilas wrote: > > Is there are any way to have the passoword authentication under a > > secure server (https) ?? > > > > Can you give me some tip? > > Sure, you can configure apache-ssl to do this. > > What would be the point though? The list still sends out plaintext > passwords, and the passwords exist on disk in plaintext. The list > member passwords are not meant to be secure. > > alex > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 12 16:36:42 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:36:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archives In-Reply-To: References: <0d2401c1829f$28b78010$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <01121210364203.01346@anncons.nc.rr.com> On Wednesday 12 December 2001 10:15, Joshua Gould wrote: > "Jon Carnes" writes: > > Oddly enough, this is under the Archival section of the web-admin... > > You can turn it off there. Then, if you want to remove all the old > > archives, you will need to login to the server and delete the files out > > of ~mailman/archives/private// > > Jon, > > If I'm understanding correctly, you are saying to visit: > > http://localhost/mailman/admin/testlist/archive > > and set "Archive messages?" to no. Correct? Correct. > > The problem with this approach is that: > > 1.> I would have to do it for all of our lists and we have TONS. Consider it job security... or look at the utilities in ~mailman/bin/... and write a script to do it for you. > > 2.> New lists are still created with archiving on by default, so you > would need to change this for all new lists too. Edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (look at Defaults.py in the same directory for instructions...) and set archiving to off. While you are there, edit a few other entries that you always find yourself adjusting on new lists (or wish that admins would choose by default...) > > 3.> If this list admin is someone other than me, they can simply log in > and re-enable archiving. Change the rights on the ~mailman/archive directory so that creation of archives fails, or simply tell your admins not to turn it on, since this is really a management issue and not a technical one. Jon Carnes From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Dec 12 17:05:38 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:05:38 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling archives In-Reply-To: References: <"Jon Carnes"'s message of "Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:54:23 -0500"> <0d2401c1829f$28b78010$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011212160338.0367f8d8@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 10:15 12/12/2001 -0500, Joshua Gould wrote: At 10:15 12/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: >"Jon Carnes" writes: > > > Oddly enough, this is under the Archival section of the web-admin... > > You can turn it off there. Then, if you want to remove all the old > > archives, you will need to login to the server and delete the files out of > > ~mailman/archives/private// > > > >Jon, > >If I'm understanding correctly, you are saying to visit: > >http://localhost/mailman/admin/testlist/archive > >and set "Archive messages?" to no. Correct? > >The problem with this approach is that: > >1.> I would have to do it for all of our lists and we have TONS. Put the following line in a text file and write a short script to run the $prefix/bin/config_list for each of your current lists: archive = 0 this will turn off all your current archiving more easily than using the web UI >2.> New lists are still created with archiving on by default, so you would > need to change this for all new lists too. If you want archiving off by default for new lists then redefine the configuration variable DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = 0 in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to override the value of 1 assigned to it in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py >3.> If this list admin is someone other than me, they can simply log in and > re-enable archiving. Yes. That is what list admins are usually entitled to do >Is there another way to disable archiving site wide? If you really want to disable it permanently for all lists then I guess you are going to need to hack the python source. > Joshua From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 12 17:11:23 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:11:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] open relay probes... In-Reply-To: <200112121332.fBCDWuE02610@camel.lrllamas.com> References: <200112121332.fBCDWuE02610@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: <01121211112304.01346@anncons.nc.rr.com> Interesting problem, since by default Sendmail will no longer relay. You have to modify it or program it to be an open relay. http://www.sendmail.org/tips/relaying.html You may want to download the latest version and install that, then revisit your access rules in /etc/mail/... Jon Carnes On Wednesday 12 December 2001 08:32, Camel - Jay S. Curtis wrote: > Need a little help - Getting relay probes from AOL and obiz (sic) that > are reporting an "open relay" on my servers. (this has only happened > after starting the lists) I'm running RH 7.2 w/ sendmail 8.11.x and the > config tools are lousy. Anyone have a sure-fire, failsafe way to kill > this problem?? (I get a migraine just OPENING sendmail.cf) > Any help would be appreciated. - respond "off list" to hold the traffic > down if you like. > PS: check out the "relaycheck" pages to see if you have this > vulnerability. > > JSC From marc_news at vasoftware.com Wed Dec 12 17:32:53 2001 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:32:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper generates OS error In-Reply-To: <20011212045418.GF1767@tamu.edu>; from cmenzel@tamu.edu on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:54:18PM -0600 References: <20011212045418.GF1767@tamu.edu> Message-ID: <20011212083253.F10584@magic.merlins.org> On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:54:18PM -0600, Chris Menzel wrote: > xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30015, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating \ > system error > > GIDs are correctly set for running mailman scripts. Any suggestions > appreciated. Look for clues in ~mailman/logs/ Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From JohnJ at ActiveState.com Wed Dec 12 18:00:23 2001 From: JohnJ at ActiveState.com (John Jones) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:00:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing people from leaving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Personally, I would hope that this is never implemented. I would not want some spamming company to adopt this software because of a setup option that allowed "unleavable lists", in any way, shape or form. Yes, even if -you- required the user to sign up, read a AUP and agree to it; other follow-on companies/scams may not. Believe me, if I find myself on a list that I cannot leave (or someone on my networks report such a thing)... that entire network just gets blackholed and submitted to the RBL. John Jones, Systems Admin http://www.ActiveState.com Programming for the People > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Martin Skjoldebrand > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:05 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing people from leaving > > > We are going to implement a few lists through Mailman. > Our info dept wants a list of press release people who are > not admitted to leave the list by > using the lists web site. (ONLY through noticying the list > admin). > Is this possible? Think I've seen this answered before but > can't find where. > > mvh/ Regards, > > Martin S. > CTO, Forum Syd > > "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Wed Dec 12 18:10:53 2001 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:10:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] maximun size... Message-ID: <20011212171053.4482.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there!!!! What?s the maximum size of the attachments in a mailing list or what are the issues it depends???? Thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From haroldp at sierraweb.com Wed Dec 12 18:15:29 2001 From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:15:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] open relay probes... In-Reply-To: <200112121332.fBCDWuE02610@camel.lrllamas.com> References: <200112121332.fBCDWuE02610@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: Jay, It is unlikely that it's related to mailman. For what it's worth, even Eric Allman says you shouldn't edit your .cf files directly: http://www.sendmail.net/interviews/interview001.shtml Always build your .cf from a .mc, and treat the .cf like a binary file. The FAQs at sendmail.org are pretty good. This page: http://www.brettglass.com/spam.html has excellent information on locking sendmail down against spam and other fun stuff. It looks BSD specific, but it isn't really. That said, if you can switch to a modern MTA (Postfix, etc..), do so now. - H >Need a little help - Getting relay probes from AOL and obiz (sic) that are >reporting an "open relay" on my servers. (this has only happened after >starting the lists) I'm running RH 7.2 w/ sendmail 8.11.x and the config >tools are lousy. Anyone have a sure-fire, failsafe way to kill this problem?? >(I get a migraine just OPENING sendmail.cf) >Any help would be appreciated. - respond "off list" to hold the traffic down >if you like. >PS: check out the "relaycheck" pages to see if you have this vulnerability. > >JSC >-- >Jay S. Curtis >Camelid Listowner >Alpacas Listowner >member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: >http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid >http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas -- Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Dec 12 18:18:46 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:18:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] maximun size... In-Reply-To: <20011212171053.4482.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011212171053.4482.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011212121846.C1207@mems-exchange.org> On 12 December 2001, Alex Sammons said: > What?s the maximum size of the attachments in a > mailing list or what are the issues it depends???? You can configure the maximum size of a message for each list. I believe it defaults to 40 kB. I don't think there's a hard-coded maximum to this configurable maximum. AFAIK there's no way to set the maximum size of individual attachments; Mailman 2.0 knows nothing about MIME. Be nice: don't setup a public mailing list that allows large messages or attachments. Keep these sort of things where they belong, in private. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Wed Dec 12 18:40:50 2001 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:40:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] partition... Message-ID: <20011212174050.92884.qmail@web14911.mail.yahoo.com> What about the convenience to have a partition on /var/mail in a system???? Thanks!. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Dec 12 18:48:41 2001 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:48:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing people from leaving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnJ at ActiveState.com writes: >Personally, I would hope that this is never implemented. >I would not want >some spamming company to adopt this software because of a >setup option that >allowed "unleavable lists", in any way, shape or form. >Yes, even if -you- >required the user to sign up, read a AUP and agree to it; >other follow-on >companies/scams may not. > >Believe me, if I find myself on a list that I cannot leave >(or someone on my >networks report such a thing)... that entire network just >gets blackholed >and submitted to the RBL. I agree. This is what the PR people want tho. It WILL be possible to leave, I think they just want to be informed when an unsubscribe is requested so that the can contact them before they leave (I hope). It's a list of journalists that cover our area. Martin S > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of >Martin Skjoldebrand >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:05 AM >> To: mailman-users at python.org >> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing people from leaving >> >> >> We are going to implement a few lists through Mailman. >> Our info dept wants a list of press release people who >are >> not admitted to leave the list by >> using the lists web site. (ONLY through noticying the >list >> admin). >> Is this possible? Think I've seen this answered before >but >> can't find where. >> >> mvh/ Regards, >> >> Martin S. >> CTO, Forum Syd >> >> "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive >mad." >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." From wheakory at isu.edu Wed Dec 12 19:40:04 2001 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:40:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and red hat 7.2 Message-ID: <3C17A484.112F4E4D@isu.edu> Has anyone got mailman 2.0.8 to work with Red Hat 7.2? I have problems, everything installs fine I just can't receive messages from the lists, the post log files always says "failure 1" the smtp log file displays "connection refused", but on this same red hat box I can send a command line email using sendmail fine. I also have Majordomo working fine on this box too. The sendmail port is listening externally. The messages just sit there in the /mailman/qfiles directory. The wrapper program also has a soft link in /etc/smrsh pointing to the wrapper script executable. The web server works fine, I can see my subscribed lists and users. Any Solutions? Respond to wheakory at isu.edu -- ######################################### Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Wed Dec 12 20:10:42 2001 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:10:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] queue... Message-ID: <20011212191042.7390.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry but what can i do if the mailqueue in sendmail is full..i mean procedures, etc.... Thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Dec 12 20:27:03 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:27:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: queue... In-Reply-To: <20011212191042.7390.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011212191042.7390.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1008185223.3c17af87832be@mail.yeehaw.net> Quoting Alex Sammons : > > Sorry but what can i do if the mailqueue in sendmail > is full..i mean procedures, etc.... I'd say fix your sendmail? You can temporarily "pause" mailman by removing the qrunner crontask, and let sendmail churn on your mailqueue for a while. Do you know what's causing your queue to get "full"? AMK4 From ste at research.bell-labs.com Wed Dec 12 20:26:11 2001 From: ste at research.bell-labs.com (Shaun Erickson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:26:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List restoration help needed ASAP Message-ID: <3C17AF53.54A89311@research.bell-labs.com> Hello. My list server died 2 days ago and I'm trying to get a new one up and running before all the mail queueing up around the world starts bouncing. I have set up a new system, but it has no lists at present. It's at the stage where one would start creating the lists. Exactly what do I need to restore to simply have all my old lists and their archives back? I'm looking to (hopefully) drop a directory or two into place and have everything all back and running ... is this possible? Thanks, in advance, for your kind assistance. -ste -- Office: (908) 582-7629 Cell: (908) 672-6456 Pager: (888) 290-2057 From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 12 20:31:10 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] queue... References: <20011212191042.7390.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c18343$8e943690$0b04010a@JCARNES> What to do when your message cant queue? Fix your DNS, increase your internet bandwidth, upgrade your MTA, or upgrade your server hardware. You should always be able to queue up a message... and if the currently queued one's aren't flying off the disk and out to the internet where they belong, then something is acting as a bottle neck! Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sammons" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] queue... > > Sorry but what can i do if the mailqueue in sendmail > is full..i mean procedures, etc.... > > Thanks. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 12 20:56:28 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:56:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List restoration help needed ASAP References: <3C17AF53.54A89311@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <004301c18347$16666310$0b04010a@JCARNES> restore the Mailman home directory from backup. If your install is identical then that will get you most of the way there. The key things to watch out for is the gid that the Mail server runs as, and the gid that your Web-server (or cgi scripts) run as. Next step is to add the CGI info into your webserver's config file so that it knows how to find mailman's cgi scripts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Erickson" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] List restoration help needed ASAP > Hello. > > My list server died 2 days ago and I'm trying to get a new one up and > running before all the mail queueing up around the world starts > bouncing. > > I have set up a new system, but it has no lists at present. It's at the > stage where one would start creating the lists. > > Exactly what do I need to restore to simply have all my old lists and > their archives back? I'm looking to (hopefully) drop a directory or two > into place and have everything all back and running ... is this > possible? > > Thanks, in advance, for your kind assistance. > > -ste > -- > Office: (908) 582-7629 Cell: (908) 672-6456 Pager: (888) 290-2057 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jmeurer at gmx.de Wed Dec 12 23:56:13 2001 From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:56:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Welcome-message Message-ID: <20011212225613.GC3029@testsystem.server0.de> Hey ho, Can I change the messages from mailman? At the confirm-mail: ---------------- mailinglist -- confirmation of subscription -- request 848064 We have received a request from 192.168.3.1 for subscription of your email address, , to the mailinglist at lists.server0.de mailing list. To confirm the request, please send a message to mailinglist-request at lists.server0.de, and either: ... -------------------- and at the welcome-message: ------------------- Welcome to the mailinglist at lists.server0.de mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: .... ------------------- and so on for every mailinglist? So that really every word is changed. How can I do this? Bye Jonas -- Du willst einen Windows-PC als Gateway f?r ein NetBSD-System benutzen? Benutzt du auch N?gel, um einen Hammer in die Wand zu schlagen? -- Phillipp Schulte in doc From rfransix at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 23:10:04 2001 From: rfransix at yahoo.com (pelicancomputers) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:10:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman v2.0.5 fails Message-ID: <20011212221004.13149.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> help. i'm running mailman on redhat with apache... i can send mail to and from the server to and from the internet... if i send mail to a list member, it never gets there. perms check out fine, db's check out fine... what else can be wrong? thanks for your help. rf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From amcole at mindspring.com Wed Dec 12 04:03:21 2001 From: amcole at mindspring.com (adam cole) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:03:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dear Python Message-ID: <000201c182b9$b437c900$974a56d1@03k1s> I am a Hostway user trying to set up a newsletter for my site, www.feldenkraisinfo.com. I've followed all of hostway's directions for setting up Mailman as a newsletter. My problem is I've never done this before, and I really have no idea how to get started. I don't understand the basics. I want to create a newsletter and send it to my subscriber list automatically. So, first, where do I create the newsletter? What are my options? Second, how do I get the ball rolling and have Mailman send it out? Second, after I get the basics down I'd like to understand more about MIME digest (I don't really understand digest), gatewaying, and all the terms you use on your homepage. If you could direct me to some simple explanations of all these terms, I'd really appreciate it. I've been poring over online manuals for weeks, so please understand that I've been trying to get these answers myself, but finding myself very lost. Thanks so much. Adam Cole www.feldenkraisinfo.com From crawford at reynolds.net.au Wed Dec 12 09:35:57 2001 From: crawford at reynolds.net.au (Ian Crawford) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:57 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authorization failed ... Message-ID: <3C17876D.5811.5ADED39@localhost> On a new installation, I get "Authentication failed" for both the correct list and site passwords. How do you get a trace on what the problem really is ? ~mailman/logs doesn't register anything, /var/logs doesn't register anything. Is there a command line method for checking passwords ? Have built 2.0.7 under Redhat 6.2, Python 2.0-1 From encounters at millenniumsend.org Wed Dec 12 15:23:24 2001 From: encounters at millenniumsend.org (MEE GameMaster) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:23:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] About Mailman Message-ID: <00a201c18318$909f5760$9b02a8c0@webdo3d.com> Hello, Is there a way to retrieve an administrative password from a mailing list? I lost it, can't remember it at all. Thanks Michel C?t? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011212/1533972f/attachment.html From proski at gnu.org Wed Dec 12 17:18:45 2001 From: proski at gnu.org (Pavel Roskin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:18:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unrecognized bounce message Message-ID: Hello! I'm administering a list using Mailman 2.0.6. I'm sorry I cannot upgrade it to the latest version (I have no access), but I don't see any changes related to bounce detection in the NEWS for 2.0.7 and 2.0.8. The attached message was forwarded to the administrator instead of being detected as bounced e-mail. Despite the Polish beginning it has the address in angle brackets and mentions "quota". It comes from MAILER-DAEMON. It also quotes the original message and contains its message-id. Please use your judgement whether another rule based on the attached message should be added or not. Add it only if you think it won't result in false positives. Another related idea - maybe Mailman should add the destination address to a special header (e.g. X-Mailman-Recent-To or standard Envelope-to) to detect more reliably whose mail bounces? For additional reliability (to avoid rewriting the address) the address could be encrypted or represented by a number from the database. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: MAILER-DAEMON at poczta7.wp.pl Subject: problem z dostarczeniem Twojej wiadomosci / failure notice Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:41:55 -0000 Size: 6070 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011212/fdebf40c/attachment.mht From christopher at schulte.org Wed Dec 12 18:33:47 2001 From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:33:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] open relay probes... In-Reply-To: References: <200112121332.fBCDWuE02610@camel.lrllamas.com> <200112121332.fBCDWuE02610@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011212112106.03435008@pop.schulte.org> At 09:15 AM 12/12/2001 -0800, Harold Paulson wrote: >Jay, > >It is unlikely that it's related to mailman. For what it's worth, even >Eric Allman says you shouldn't edit your .cf files directly: > > http://www.sendmail.net/interviews/interview001.shtml > >Always build your .cf from a .mc, and treat the .cf like a binary >file. The FAQs at sendmail.org are pretty good. This page: > > http://www.brettglass.com/spam.html > >has excellent information on locking sendmail down against spam and other >fun stuff. It looks BSD specific, but it isn't really. > >That said, if you can switch to a modern MTA (Postfix, etc..), do so now. This isn't a postfix group, but... The main reasons (abbreviated) I switched from sendmail 8.11.x to postfix: 1) built in header/body checks that go off regexp/pcre 2) human-understandable configuration files (no .mc/.cf madness) 3) performance that puts sendmail to shame 4) advanced UCE hooks 5) complete replacement for sendmail After the switch, even more reasons that it was a good move: 1) great community support 2) code is maintained and actively developed/improved 3) MTA is extremely robust and reliable 4) updates are painless and error-free 5) I could go on Did I mention that is works wonderfully with mailman? :-) My mail list server was the first one to experiment with postfix. The results were so good that I moved all other smtp servers over a month or two later. From dan.mick at west.sun.com Wed Dec 12 21:43:45 2001 From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:43:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Secure server References: <20011212055357.Q37153-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <3C17C181.1303DB07@west.sun.com> alex wetmore wrote: > > On 12 Dec 2001, Rodolfo Pilas wrote: > > Is there are any way to have the passoword authentication under a secure > > server (https) ?? > > > > Can you give me some tip? > > Sure, you can configure apache-ssl to do this. > > What would be the point though? The list still sends out plaintext > passwords, and the passwords exist on disk in plaintext. The list > member passwords are not meant to be secure. Not the list or site passwords, though. From dan.mick at west.sun.com Wed Dec 12 21:47:56 2001 From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:47:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List restoration help needed ASAP References: <3C17AF53.54A89311@research.bell-labs.com> <004301c18347$16666310$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <3C17C27C.5590DB8F@west.sun.com> Well, or if what Shaun means is "mailman is installed, now I just need to move the lists", copy over lists/ and archives/ and you should be mostly there. Run bin/check_perms after, and if the home dir of mailman has changed, use bin/move_list to update the list home path. That should be about it. Jon Carnes wrote: > > restore the Mailman home directory from backup. If your install is > identical then that will get you most of the way there. The key things to > watch out for is the gid that the Mail server runs as, and the gid that your > Web-server (or cgi scripts) run as. Next step is to add the CGI info into > your webserver's config file so that it knows how to find mailman's cgi > scripts. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shaun Erickson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:26 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] List restoration help needed ASAP > > > Hello. > > > > My list server died 2 days ago and I'm trying to get a new one up and > > running before all the mail queueing up around the world starts > > bouncing. > > > > I have set up a new system, but it has no lists at present. It's at the > > stage where one would start creating the lists. > > > > Exactly what do I need to restore to simply have all my old lists and > > their archives back? I'm looking to (hopefully) drop a directory or two > > into place and have everything all back and running ... is this > > possible? > > > > Thanks, in advance, for your kind assistance. > > > > -ste > > -- > > Office: (908) 582-7629 Cell: (908) 672-6456 Pager: (888) 290-2057 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rfransix at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 23:15:32 2001 From: rfransix at yahoo.com (pelicancomputers) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:15:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman daemons? In-Reply-To: <20011212221004.13149.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011212221532.95001.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> how does mailman run? as a daemon? as a call? how do i know when mail is sent to a list that mailman is even awake to be aware of it in the first place? thank you, your help is very much appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From ridalski at nandomedia.com Wed Dec 12 23:17:11 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman v2.0.5 fails In-Reply-To: <20011212221004.13149.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you have a) the crons for mailman set? b) the aliases for your lists set up in you alias file (assuming you're running sendmail or postfix, prolly sendmail with red hat.) -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of pelicancomputers Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:10 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman v2.0.5 fails help. i'm running mailman on redhat with apache... i can send mail to and from the server to and from the internet... if i send mail to a list member, it never gets there. perms check out fine, db's check out fine... what else can be wrong? thanks for your help. rf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rfransix at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 23:17:34 2001 From: rfransix at yahoo.com (pelicancomputers) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:17:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman v2.0.5 fails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011212221734.96034.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> yes i do. i found the default crontab file and it is exactly as the source. the aliases file is perfect, i newaliases'd it and it works perfectly. --- Richard Idalski wrote: > Do you have > > a) the crons for mailman set? > b) the aliases for your lists set up in you alias > file (assuming you're > running sendmail or postfix, prolly sendmail with > red hat.) > > > > -Richard Idalski > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of > pelicancomputers > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:10 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman v2.0.5 fails > > > help. i'm running mailman on redhat with apache... > > i can send mail to and from the server to and from > the > internet... > > if i send mail to a list member, it never gets > there. > > perms check out fine, db's check out fine... > > what else can be wrong? > > thanks for your help. > > rf > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for > all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From rfransix at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 23:24:50 2001 From: rfransix at yahoo.com (pelicancomputers) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:24:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] List restoration help needed ASAP In-Reply-To: <3C17C27C.5590DB8F@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20011212222450.57343.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> could you elaborate on your comment for me... my httpd daemons run as nobody... my sendmail runs as root... right now my mailman is dead and i'm wondering if it's a permissions problem...although check_perms runs fine, and sendmail to and from the internet works perfectly...just not to any of my lists???? any ideas?? thanks. --- Dan Mick wrote: > Well, or if what Shaun means is "mailman is > installed, now I just need to move > the lists", copy over lists/ and archives/ and you > should be mostly > there. Run bin/check_perms after, and if the home > dir of mailman has > changed, use bin/move_list to update the list home > path. That should > be about it. > > Jon Carnes wrote: > > > > restore the Mailman home directory from backup. > If your install is > > identical then that will get you most of the way > there. The key things to > > watch out for is the gid that the Mail server runs > as, and the gid that your > > Web-server (or cgi scripts) run as. Next step is > to add the CGI info into > > your webserver's config file so that it knows how > to find mailman's cgi > > scripts. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shaun Erickson" > > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:26 PM > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] List restoration help > needed ASAP > > > > > Hello. > > > > > > My list server died 2 days ago and I'm trying to > get a new one up and > > > running before all the mail queueing up around > the world starts > > > bouncing. > > > > > > I have set up a new system, but it has no lists > at present. It's at the > > > stage where one would start creating the lists. > > > > > > Exactly what do I need to restore to simply have > all my old lists and > > > their archives back? I'm looking to (hopefully) > drop a directory or two > > > into place and have everything all back and > running ... is this > > > possible? > > > > > > Thanks, in advance, for your kind assistance. > > > > > > -ste > > > -- > > > Office: (908) 582-7629 Cell: (908) 672-6456 > Pager: (888) 290-2057 > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From tep at SDSC.EDU Wed Dec 12 23:30:47 2001 From: tep at SDSC.EDU (Tom Perrine) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:30:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recent mailman security problem - fixed in 2.1prerelease? References: <20011212222450.57343.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200112122230.fBCMUlL30823@lart.sdsc.edu> Is the security problem that prompted the 2.0.8 mailman release applicable to the 2.1 prerelease versions? I've been running one of the 2.1 alphas, do I need to upgrade/sidegrade? -- Tom E. Perrine (tep at SDSC.EDU) | San Diego Supercomputer Center http://www.sdsc.edu/~tep/ | Voice: +1.858.534.5000 "The French are glad to die for love..." - Moulin Rouge From klm at zope.com Wed Dec 12 23:39:52 2001 From: klm at zope.com (Ken Manheimer) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:39:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing people from leaving Message-ID: Martin Skjoldebrand wrote: > JohnJ at ActiveState.com writes: [> > I'm inferring that Martin Skjoldebrand originally wrote:] > >> We are going to implement a few lists through Mailman. Our info > >> dept wants a list of press release people who are not admitted to > >> leave the list by using the lists web site. (ONLY through noticying > >> the list admin). > >Personally, I would hope that this is never implemented. I would not > >want some spamming company to adopt this software because of a setup > >option that allowed "unleavable lists", in any way, shape or form. > >Yes, even if -you- required the user to sign up, read a AUP and agree > >to it; other follow-on companies/scams may not. > I agree. This is what the PR people want tho. It WILL be > possible to leave, I think they just want to be informed > when an unsubscribe is requested so that the can contact > them before they leave (I hope). It's a list of journalists > that cover our area. The thing to do then is to implement something that provides notification of unsubscriptions **but does not impede the unsubscriptions in any way**. (It's not possible to prevent abuse of the software to lock in subscriptions, but i can think of no reason for a successful mlm to package such functionality. I suspect that any whic does should be shunned! My reasoning here is obnoxiously arrogant, and may be unjustifiable. Nonetheless: People experienced enough to implement the abuse themselves should be experienced enough to figure out why they shouldn't do so, and come up with better alternatives, and people *lacking* the experience (and/or wit) to figure those things out shouldn't be helped to make the mistake...) Ken Manheimer klm at zope.com -- Ken klm at zope.com From jerry at sandiego.edu Wed Dec 12 23:59:02 2001 From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:59:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing people from leaving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >JohnJ at ActiveState.com writes: >I agree. This is what the PR people want tho. It WILL be >possible to leave, I think they just want to be informed >when an unsubscribe is requested so that the can contact >them before they leave (I hope). It's a list of journalists >that cover our area. There is an option under "General Options" that sends notification of subscribe and unsubscribe requests to the administrator. Jerry -- jerry at sandiego.edu http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/ Serra 188B/x8773 -- The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur. --The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi From gward at mems-exchange.org Thu Dec 13 00:20:30 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:20:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dear Python In-Reply-To: <000201c182b9$b437c900$974a56d1@03k1s> References: <000201c182b9$b437c900$974a56d1@03k1s> Message-ID: <20011212182029.A3650@mems-exchange.org> On 11 December 2001, adam cole said: > I am a Hostway user trying to set up a newsletter for my site, > www.feldenkraisinfo.com. I've followed all of hostway's directions for > setting up Mailman as a newsletter. Have you tried asking Hostway's support staff for help? Presumably you're paying them, so they should be your first line of support. > My problem is I've never done this before, and I really have no idea how to > get started. I don't understand the basics. I want to create a newsletter > and send it to my subscriber list automatically. So, first, where do I > create the newsletter? That's specific to Hostway's way of doing things. You'll have to ask them. > What are my options? Once you have created the list, you need to find your way to its administrative interface. That's where you find out what all your options are. There are a lot of them, and most of them won't make sense if you don't have a solid understanding of Internet email and mailing list management. You'll learn. > Second, how do I get the ball > rolling and have Mailman send it out? Once the list is setup, you send mail to the list address. It's pretty simple. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From benny at bennyvision.com Thu Dec 13 01:48:09 2001 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:48:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman refusing to send remote emails. Message-ID: In reference to: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-December/015863.html (sorry if it wrapped) Hey folks! I sent the above query to the list on Dec 2nd, and have not received any related replies. I'm still fighting the problem, and was hoping someone could donate a few spare brain cycles. :) The problem: * Mailman doesn't send email to any external addresses, including list posts, welcome messages, etc The diagnosis: * I'm running QMail 1.03, and mail (both locally delivered and remotely delivered) works perfectly * Mailing lists using .qmail files work perfectly, delivering to remote and local users * I have copied the Defaults.py over to mm_cfg.py, and editted desired options locally * I followed (I believe perfectly) the README.QMAIL file * QMail's logs show all posts being delivered successfully to mailman-listname at myhost.com * .qmail-listname contains: |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname * The other .qmail files: .qmail-listname-admin |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner .qmail-listname-owner |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner .qmail-listname-request |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd .qmail-default |/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/bin/qmail-to-mailman.py If anyone that's running Mailman with QMail out there could give me a hand, it'd be mightily appreciated. :) If you'd like to cut down on the amount of traffic to the list, please contact me directly and I can summarize when I've got this fixed. Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The onions are irritating my buttocks." - Sluggy Freelance 10-12-1998 From doug at gate.sinica.edu.tw Thu Dec 13 02:19:37 2001 From: doug at gate.sinica.edu.tw (doug) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:19:37 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail?qmail?or postfix Message-ID: <3C180229.9010900@gate.sinica.edu.tw> hello: I've build a mailling list (Redhat + sendmail + mailman). but consinder the security , should I have to change mail server from sendmail to postfix or qmail? compare postfix with qmail,which one would fit working with mailman? thanks:) Doug From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Thu Dec 13 02:24:07 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:24:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] About Mailman Message-ID: <200112130124.RAA18981@utopia.West.Sun.COM> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py just posted this FAQ yesterday. > Hello, > > Is there a way to retrieve an administrative password from a mailing list? > > I lost it, can't remember it at all. > > Thanks > > Michel C?t? From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Thu Dec 13 02:33:18 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:33:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman v2.0.5 fails Message-ID: <200112130133.RAA19778@utopia.West.Sun.COM> What do you mean "if I send mail to a list member"? Do you mean "if I send mail to the list", or what you said? > yes i do. > > i found the default crontab file and it is exactly as > the source. > > the aliases file is perfect, i newaliases'd it and it > works perfectly. > > > --- Richard Idalski wrote: > > Do you have > > > > a) the crons for mailman set? > > b) the aliases for your lists set up in you alias > > file (assuming you're > > running sendmail or postfix, prolly sendmail with > > red hat.) > > > > > > > > -Richard Idalski > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of > > pelicancomputers > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:10 PM > > To: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman v2.0.5 fails > > > > > > help. i'm running mailman on redhat with apache... > > > > i can send mail to and from the server to and from > > the > > internet... > > > > if i send mail to a list member, it never gets > > there. > > > > perms check out fine, db's check out fine... > > > > what else can be wrong? > > > > thanks for your help. > > > > rf > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for > > all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From JohnJ at ActiveState.com Thu Dec 13 02:55:53 2001 From: JohnJ at ActiveState.com (John Jones) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:55:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200112130133.RAA19778@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: Okay, here is a question... Qmail, Mailman. I have 1376 mails in the queue, but Mailman's /qfiles directory only has about 4 messages in it, and they are being sent out pretty regularly. So, I am assuming that this is a non-deliverable or long-wait-deliverable problem. What kind of optimization or changes could/should be made to help this along? Lots of subscribers, oh yes; quite a few lists, you bet. Since I am just now getting introduced to this network and learning it (nice and HUGE), I am not intimate with the configurations or how it might have been hacked for customization. I am learning it as fast as I can, but with 15 other fires burning right now... [root at shot qfiles]# qmail-qstat messages in queue: 1376 messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 0 [root at shot qfiles]# pwd /home/mailman/qfiles [root at shot qfiles]# ls 4c18e5a2ab7ade0b96e88576aa67dc27165aa8a2.db 56f8e0e25ed4226c680e5fc0d7ff5cb3061d7361.msg 4c18e5a2ab7ade0b96e88576aa67dc27165aa8a2.msg d4fb7cde7f1ba8f04955a903c9e5eacb5e72b59e.db 56f8e0e25ed4226c680e5fc0d7ff5cb3061d7361.db d4fb7cde7f1ba8f04955a903c9e5eacb5e72b59e.msg [root at shot qfiles]# From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Thu Dec 13 03:10:50 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:10:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <200112130211.SAA20966@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > Qmail, Mailman. I have 1376 mails in the queue, but Mailman's /qfiles > directory only has about 4 messages in it, and they are being sent out > pretty regularly. So, I am assuming that this is a non-deliverable or > long-wait-deliverable problem. It's a Qmail issue at least, if not a normal "bunch of braindead MX/DNS hosts out there" issue. You can maybe pare the queue down by hand, but mostly just leave it alone is the right answer; things will retry until they time out. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 13 03:28:12 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:28:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman refusing to send remote emails. In-Reply-To: Message from "C. Bensend" of "Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:48:09 CST." References: Message-ID: <16442.1008210492@kanga.nu> On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:48:09 -0600 (CST) C Bensend wrote: > * Mailman doesn't send email to any external addresses, including > list posts, welcome messages, etc While this likely doesn't help, this is almost guaranteed not to be a Mailman problem, but is instead a QMail config problem. For some reason wither QMail doesn like mail arriving on the localhost interface (test with a hand-driven telnet session delivering mail to 127.0.0.1), or there's something about the source address it doesn't like (sniff the packet stream and see *exactly what's being sent and if anything is even mildly curious). And no, sorry, I don't know what or even possibly why: I see little reason to put up with DJB and so prefer other MTAs. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 13 03:29:51 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:29:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail?qmail?or postfix In-Reply-To: Message from doug of "Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:19:37 +0800." <3C180229.9010900@gate.sinica.edu.tw> References: <3C180229.9010900@gate.sinica.edu.tw> Message-ID: <16458.1008210591@kanga.nu> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:19:37 +0800 doug wrote: > should I have to change mail server from sendmail to postfix or > qmail? compare postfix with qmail,which one would fit working > with mailman? thanks:) Mailman is MTA agnostic. There are good reasons to use MTAs other than Sendmail, mostly for performance reasons (altho this has significantly improved with recent sendmail releases). As for which to choose, that depends on your preferences, local SysAdm talent, mail loads, and other needs. The FAQ has some good data on this area. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 13 03:32:40 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:32:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message from "John Jones" of "Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:55:53 PST." References: Message-ID: <16483.1008210760@kanga.nu> On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:55:53 -0800 John Jones wrote: > [root at shot qfiles]# qmail-qstat > messages in queue: 1376 > messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 0 Nothing alarming there. Those are just messages for MXes which are down or slow. I wouldn't sweat or notice until it averages at least 10 times that large. > [root at shot qfiles]# pwd > /home/mailman/qfiles > [root at shot qfiles]# ls > 4c18e5a2ab7ade0b96e88576aa67dc27165aa8a2.db > 56f8e0e25ed4226c680e5fc0d7ff5cb3061d7361.msg > 4c18e5a2ab7ade0b96e88576aa67dc27165aa8a2.msg > d4fb7cde7f1ba8f04955a903c9e5eacb5e72b59e.db > 56f8e0e25ed4226c680e5fc0d7ff5cb3061d7361.db > d4fb7cde7f1ba8f04955a903c9e5eacb5e72b59e.msg > [root at shot qfiles]# These are just messages which qrunner is waiting to process, either inbound bounces or commands, or outbound list mail. Nothing unusual there. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From sysop at scbbs.com Thu Dec 13 05:20:37 2001 From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:20:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain isn't in my list of rcpthosts Message-ID: <3C182C95.CEBE486C@scbbs.com> Hello, Installed mailman 2.0.8 on Linux 7.2 system running qmail+vpopmail. Install appeared to work. Created list "vsb". I can access list admin. However, when a user tries to subscribe to list from web page, the user doesn't get an e-mail back. Looking at the logs, I see the following (mail list is vsb on host4.scbbs.com, user trying to subscribe is markfien at fiengroup.com): Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.465755 20388 > 220 host4.scbbs.com ESMTP? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.474061 20388 < ehlo localhost.localdomain? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.474962 20388 > 250-host4.scbbs.com? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.475458 20388 > 250-PIPELINING? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.475921 20388 > 250 8BITMIME? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.502945 20388 < mail FROM:? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.503854 20388 > 250 ok? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.556793 20388 < rcpt TO:? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.557763 20388 > 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.561415 20388 < rset? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.562476 20388 > 250 flushed? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.585977 20388 < quit? I don't know what I've done, configuration-wise, which is making the system look for matching domain names in rcpthosts before sending out mail. Here are the only config changes I've made to mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'host4.scbbs.com' # DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash! DEFAULT_URL = 'http://host4.scbbs.com/mailman/' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' HOME_PAGE = 'index.html' MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail' Any suggestions, please? Thanks. -ron -- Ron Parker Software Creations http://www.scbbs.com TradeWinds Publishing http://www.intl-trade.com TradePoint Los Angeles http://www.tradepointla.org SiteDirector Security Server http://livepublish.scbbs.com Civil War Online Library http://civilwar.scbbs.com From marina at reliance.it Thu Dec 13 07:18:01 2001 From: marina at reliance.it (marina) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:18:01 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are running a list using Mailman 2, where most of the members are totally computer illiterate, and cannot be bothered understanding why or how to change their email settings. As a result, this list digests include huge portions of HTML coding - which is perceived as extremely annoying by several users (including some who choose to use HTML mail, of course). Is there a way to tell Mailman to strip the HTML portions? Please consider we have no access to the source code. Thanks in advance, marina From doug at gate.sinica.edu.tw Thu Dec 13 09:05:06 2001 From: doug at gate.sinica.edu.tw (doug) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:05:06 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi Message-ID: <3C186132.9050307@gate.sinica.edu.tw> hello:) I've success in mailman working with sendmail. Now I want to try mailman go with postfix. After I install postfix,and try to subscript a list for test. The mail send to my mail address as usual . I reply the mail and hope it's ok Unfortunately, my postfix reply a message very quickly: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Postfix program at host itschen.ascc. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program : Command died with status 2: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd list3". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) [ Part 2: "Delivery error report" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; itschen.ascc Arrival-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:41:46 +0800 (CST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; list3-request at itschen.ascc Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd list3". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) [ Part 3: "Undelivered Message" ] Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:41:46 +0800 (CST) From: test user To: list3-request at itschen.ascc Subject: Re: List3 -- confirmation of subscription -- request 881176 confirm 881176 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what should I do now? Can postfix work with mailman?? From alex at phred.org Thu Dec 13 15:20:41 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:20:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011213061944.C37153-100000@phred.org> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, marina wrote: > Is there a way to tell Mailman to strip the HTML portions? There are a few different programs which can be installed along with Mailman (or one set of patches for Mailman) that strip HTML and attachments from messages before they are sent to the list. One that I wrote is http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html . There is no built in way to do this. alex From rfrancis at mindspring.com Thu Dec 13 15:21:16 2001 From: rfrancis at mindspring.com (Rick Francis) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:21:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two instances of mailman In-Reply-To: <200112130124.RAA18981@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: i'm running 2.0.5...i want to install 2.0.8 in a seperate directory... how to i get the lists/databases into 2.0.8 while preserving 2.0.5?? thanks. From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 15:47:08 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:47:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Speaking of spam... nice article Message-ID: <004301c183e5$0a9411b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Mandrake Forum has a nice article on dealing with spam. Though the articles focus is on Mandrake, the info is applicable to all linux distro's. The article focus is on Postfix and Qmail. http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/spam.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011213/c8238e89/attachment.html From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 16:18:08 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman refusing to send remote emails. References: Message-ID: <00b301c183e9$60782630$0b04010a@JCARNES> Not a qmail runner, so I can't be much help, still when I read your original message I thought you had a qmail problem with relaying. There is probably some switch or toggle you need to play with to allow qmail to relay when the incoming message is from localhost. If that isn't it, then I have no other ideas... ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Bensend" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman refusing to send remote emails. > > In reference to: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-December/015863.html > > (sorry if it wrapped) > > Hey folks! > > I sent the above query to the list on Dec 2nd, and > have not received any related replies. I'm still fighting > the problem, and was hoping someone could donate a few > spare brain cycles. :) > > The problem: > > * Mailman doesn't send email to any external > addresses, including list posts, welcome > messages, etc > > The diagnosis: > > * I'm running QMail 1.03, and mail (both locally > delivered and remotely delivered) works > perfectly > * Mailing lists using .qmail files work perfectly, > delivering to remote and local users > * I have copied the Defaults.py over to mm_cfg.py, > and editted desired options locally > * I followed (I believe perfectly) the README.QMAIL > file > * QMail's logs show all posts being delivered > successfully to mailman-listname at myhost.com > * .qmail-listname contains: > > |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname > > * The other .qmail files: > > .qmail-listname-admin > |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner > > .qmail-listname-owner > |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner > > .qmail-listname-request > |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd > > .qmail-default > |/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/bin/qmail-to-mailman.py > > If anyone that's running Mailman with QMail out there could > give me a hand, it'd be mightily appreciated. :) If you'd > like to cut down on the amount of traffic to the list, please > contact me directly and I can summarize when I've got this > fixed. > > Benny > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "The onions are irritating my buttocks." - Sluggy Freelance > 10-12-1998 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dean_Roberts at oti.com Thu Dec 13 16:18:17 2001 From: Dean_Roberts at oti.com (Dean_Roberts at oti.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway a news group doesn't get first dozen messages Message-ID: Hi folks, I have mailman 2.0.6 and when I gateway a news group the first couple of dozen messages are not gatewayed even though I have the "CatchUp" option set to No. New incoming messages get gatewayed just fine. Both news groups are on the same news server and are configured the same. Does anybody have any suggestions about what the problem could be. Thanks ...Dean... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011213/93a5ceb4/attachment.htm From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Thu Dec 13 16:33:01 2001 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:33:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] the best way to... Message-ID: <20011213153301.68907.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there!!! I have a question(a Unix question), what?s the best way to transport the files and directories of the users located in a ufs /export/home to another called /export/home2, i mean considering home directories, passwords, etc....??? Thanks! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From cyucel at ku.edu.tr Thu Dec 13 16:45:46 2001 From: cyucel at ku.edu.tr (Cagri Yucel) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:45:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just a quick Q Message-ID: <007001c183ed$3b2f7be0$503e8cc1@cagri2> Hi all, I've configured mailman on the server a.blah.org, however I would like to use hostname b.blag.org for mailman operation. I set the hostname for the list to b.blah.org, so everything goes perfect, only the delivered messages Are coming from: test at a.blah.org How can I fix this ? I'm using SMTPDirect so its not the local sendmail masquarading the address. Another, small problem is that, mime or html messages sent to the list are displayed in a weird style in the archive, any way to fix this ? Thanks in advance for any advice. Cagri From carl at sweetlands.com Thu Dec 13 16:53:58 2001 From: carl at sweetlands.com (Carl Sweetland) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:53:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce recipient loop encountered Message-ID: <1008258838.3c18cf1645dfb@home.sweetlands.com> Greetings, My Mailman has stopped sending messages. Everything has been working fine for months...but has stopped sending. It looks like all the mail recipients are bouncing. Snippit of Bounce Log: Dec 13 07:52:47 2001 (30096) Seattle_branch: carl at sweetlands.com - exceeded limi ts Dec 13 07:52:47 2001 (30096) Seattle_branch: already disabled carl at sweetlands.co m Dec 13 07:52:58 2001 (30096) Seattle_branch: carl at sweetlands.com - exceeded limi ts Dec 13 07:52:58 2001 (30096) Seattle_branch: already disabled carl at sweetlands.co m Dec 13 07:53:08 2001 (30096) Seattle_branch: carl at sweetlands.com - exceeded limi ts Dec 13 07:53:08 2001 (30096) Seattle_branch: already disabled carl at sweetlands.co m ============================================================================= Snippit of Error Log: Dec 13 07:14:15 2001 (28224) seattle_branch: Bounce recipient loop encountered! (Ie, bounce notification addr, itself, bounces.) Bad admin recipient: carl at sweetlands.com Dec 13 07:42:18 2001 (29835) seattle_branch: Bounce recipient loop encountered! (Ie, bounce notification addr, itself, bounces.) Bad admin recipient: carl at sweetlands.com ============================================================================== Snippit of /var/log/maillog: Dec 10 12:05:04 web sendmail[6353]: MAA06353: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1], reject=551 we do not relay ============================================================================= Here is my /etc/mail/access file: localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY 63.225.191.43 RELAY Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Carl Sweetland From gward at mems-exchange.org Thu Dec 13 17:15:19 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011213111519.A7118@mems-exchange.org> On 13 December 2001, marina said: > As a result, this list digests include huge portions of HTML coding - > which is perceived as extremely annoying by several users (including > some who choose to use HTML mail, of course). That's a FAQ: see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp > Please consider we have no access to the source code. Yes you do! Mailman is open source; everyone has access to the source code. You may not have the expertise or resources to hack on it, but that's *not* the same thing. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Thu Dec 13 17:27:47 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:27:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two instances of mailman In-Reply-To: References: <200112130124.RAA18981@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <20011213112747.B7118@mems-exchange.org> On 13 December 2001, Rick Francis said: > i'm running 2.0.5...i want to install 2.0.8 in a seperate directory... > > how to i get the lists/databases into 2.0.8 while preserving 2.0.5?? Did you try copying the files in ~mailman/lists? That should work. Or if this is just for a "just-in-case" backup, why not make a copy of your 2.0.5 installation and then upgrade in the usual way? Greg From ptomblin at xcski.com Thu Dec 13 17:43:26 2001 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests? In-Reply-To: <20011213111519.A7118@mems-exchange.org>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 11:15:19AM -0500 References: <20011213111519.A7118@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <20011213114326.A28752@allhats.xcski.com> Quoting Greg Ward (gward at mems-exchange.org): > > Please consider we have no access to the source code. > > Yes you do! Mailman is open source; everyone has access to the source > code. You may not have the expertise or resources to hack on it, but > that's *not* the same thing. Or more likely, he has no control over the installation of the software on the machine he's running the mailing list. If I let somebody set up a mailing list on my site, using the copy of mailman that I installed, it is extremely unlikely that I'm going to let him mess with the source code on my machine. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named `Manual'" - Dilbert From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 13 18:00:23 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:00:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] the best way to... In-Reply-To: <20011213153301.68907.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com>; from gingle21@yahoo.com.mx on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 09:33:01AM -0600 References: <20011213153301.68907.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011213110022.D30250@sherohman.org> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 09:33:01AM -0600, Alex Sammons wrote: > I have a question(a Unix question), what?s the best > way to transport the files and directories of the > users located in a ufs /export/home to another called > /export/home2, i mean considering home directories, > passwords, etc....??? Assuming you have the typical set of GNU/Linux tools installed, go into the source directory (/export/home) and, as root: find . -xdev -print0 | cpio -pvdm0 /export/home2 If you are not doing this on a Debian system, I would strongly suggest reading man cpio first to ensure that these are the correct options for your version. Note also that, if either the source or destination directory is mounted over NFS, this will fail if the NFS directory is exported with the root_squash option (which is the default in most current nfsd implementations - add the no_root_squash option to override it). -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From ptomblin at xcski.com Thu Dec 13 18:06:06 2001 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:06:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] the best way to... In-Reply-To: <20011213110022.D30250@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 11:00:23AM -0600 References: <20011213153301.68907.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> <20011213110022.D30250@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <20011213120606.B28752@allhats.xcski.com> Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper at sherohman.org): > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 09:33:01AM -0600, Alex Sammons wrote: > > I have a question(a Unix question), what?s the best > > way to transport the files and directories of the > > users located in a ufs /export/home to another called > > /export/home2, i mean considering home directories, > > passwords, etc....??? > > Assuming you have the typical set of GNU/Linux tools installed, go > into the source directory (/export/home) and, as root: > > find . -xdev -print0 | cpio -pvdm0 /export/home2 Or my personal favourite tar cvfB - . | (cd /export/home2; tar xvBPf -) -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Dec 13 18:09:04 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:09:04 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1a3 compatible mailman-htdig patches Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011213170026.038cd780@pop.ftel.co.uk> I have today posted revised versions of the following patches on sourceforge. These revisions address the significant changes in the Mailman source code from 2.0.X to 2.1a3. The patches should apply without complaint to the code published in mailman-2.1a4.tgz on sourceforge. Hopefully the revisions will also be usable with the CVS version of 2.1 but I have not been able to verify that. If anyone uses these revised patches I would be pleased to receive their feedback about problems they may encounter. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 From esper at sherohman.org Thu Dec 13 18:23:03 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:23:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] the best way to... In-Reply-To: <20011213120606.B28752@allhats.xcski.com>; from ptomblin@xcski.com on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:06:06PM -0500 References: <20011213153301.68907.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> <20011213110022.D30250@sherohman.org> <20011213120606.B28752@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: <20011213112303.E30250@sherohman.org> On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:06:06PM -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote: > Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper at sherohman.org): > > find . -xdev -print0 | cpio -pvdm0 /export/home2 > > Or my personal favourite > > tar cvfB - . | (cd /export/home2; tar xvBPf -) I've always stuck with cpio because I've heard that tar has problems dealing with links and other special files. Is that a thing of the past? -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss From sysop at scbbs.com Thu Dec 13 19:48:47 2001 From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:48:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain isn't in my list of rcpthosts Message-ID: <3C18F80F.754292B3@scbbs.com> Linux 7.2. mailman+qmail+vpopmail. An update from previous post. I took localhost.localdomain out of /etc/hosts. The ehlo changed from "localhost.localdomain" to "host4.scbbs.com" (64.233.20.66). In /etc/tcp.smtp: 1.2.3.6:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" 64.233.20.66:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" 127.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" It appears that qmail won't relay mail sent by mailman, even though mailman is running on the localhost. The default hostname for mailman is: host4.scbbs.com. What is it about the way mailman sends e-mail that would cause this problem? Any clue as to what I need to change? # Site-specific settings DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'host4.scbbs.com' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://host4.scbbs.com/mailman/' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' HOME_PAGE = 'index.html' MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail' SMTPHOST = 'host4.scbbs.com' The log: Dec 12 21:54:05 host4 smtpd: 1008222845.848334 tcpserver: status: 1/40 Dec 12 21:54:05 host4 smtpd: 1008222845.851272 tcpserver: pid 13761 from 127.0.0.1 Dec 12 21:54:05 host4 smtpd: 1008222845.886189 tcpserver: ok 13761 localhost:127.0.0.1:25 localhost:127.0.0.1::1034 Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.011719 13761 > 220 host4.scbbs.com ESMTP? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.018573 13761 < ehlo localhost.localdomain? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.020464 13761 > 250-host4.scbbs.com? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.020903 13761 > 250-PIPELINING? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.021301 13761 > 250 8BITMIME? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.046193 13761 < mail FROM:? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.046986 13761 > 250 ok? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.060541 13761 < rcpt TO:? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.061390 13761 > 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.082271 13761 < rset? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.083010 13761 > 250 flushed? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.107914 13761 < quit? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.109225 tcpserver: end 13761 status 0 Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.109596 tcpserver: status: 0/40 Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.110069 13761 > 221 host4.scbbs.com? Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.133194 13761 > [EOF] changed to this Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.122951 tcpserver: status: 1/40 Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.125794 tcpserver: pid 3710 from 127.0.0.1 Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.140285 tcpserver: ok 3710 localhost:127.0.0.1:25 localhost:127.0.0.1::1028 Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.453632 3710 > 220 host4.scbbs.com ESMTP? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.460840 3710 < ehlo host4.scbbs.com? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.461727 3710 > 250-host4.scbbs.com? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.462229 3710 > 250-PIPELINING? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.462696 3710 > 250 8BITMIME? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.489319 3710 < mail FROM:? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.490244 3710 > 250 ok? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.508601 3710 < rcpt TO:? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.509548 3710 > 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.515317 3710 < rset? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.516348 3710 > 250 flushed? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.519576 3710 < quit? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.520635 3710 > 221 host4.scbbs.com? Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.540792 tcpserver: end 3710 status 0 Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.577014 tcpserver: status: 0/40 Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.645401 3710 > [EOF] -- Ron Parker Software Creations http://www.scbbs.com TradeWinds Publishing http://www.intl-trade.com TradePoint Los Angeles http://www.tradepointla.org SiteDirector Security Server http://livepublish.scbbs.com Civil War Online Library http://civilwar.scbbs.com From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 13 19:57:47 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:57:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... In-Reply-To: <20011213112303.E30250@sherohman.org> Message-ID: Alright, I've got a problem here with an email address bouncing that shouldn't be. Here are the results of the bounce log: Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: emailaddress at domain.com - exceeded limits Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: already disabled emailaddress at domain.com Alright now, I've looked in the membership managament section of the UI, and the 'nomail' option is NOT checked for this address. I've tried unsubscribing this address and re-adding it to the lists, all to no avail, it comes back up with the exceeded limits error. Where can I re-enable this account, my next step will be to completey delete and re-create the list, but short of this what can I do? -Richard Idalski From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Thu Dec 13 20:23:06 2001 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:23:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] document root Message-ID: If I want to make an alternative list index page what should be the document root? I've had a look in /home/mailman but can't see the correct page there anywhere. That is - I want users to go to http://lists.forumsyd.net; rather than http://www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo So I need to give the virtual domain lists.x.x. a document root. mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." From bryan_lists at netmeme.org Thu Dec 13 21:11:58 2001 From: bryan_lists at netmeme.org (Bryan Field-Elliot) Date: 13 Dec 2001 13:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doesn't work: ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 Message-ID: <1008274318.30245.66.camel@c1593933-a.boulder1.co.home.com> Hi, I'm using Sendmail 8.12.1. I'm new to Mailman, just trying to get it working today. When I try to send it commands, I get this bounce message from Sendmail: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2. (Reconfigure to take 2?) 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 I understand what's happening here, but my attempts to fix it are failing. In my mailman source directory, I am doing this: make clean ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 make install Yet, it has no effect -- further messages being sent to my Mailman are giving me this same bounce message. Am I missing something? Thank you! Bryan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011213/050254d7/attachment.html From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 21:11:30 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:11:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... References: Message-ID: <013d01c18412$5a63c410$0b04010a@JCARNES> To stop sending mail to a bouncing address Mailman simply actives the nomail option for the offending address; however, at that point Mailman *does not* erase or zero out the bounces from the database. The bounce record is still in the database in the bounce_info{ } section. So it is likely that one more bounce and the user will again be moved over to nomail. Removing the user from the list however *does* remove the info from the bounce_info section (I just checked, using Mailman version 2.06). You should check your database. Indeed you might need to recreate it. For now, look at the database using: ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists//config.db |more and look for the user. You will find them under "bounce_ info". Now remove the user (go to the web-admin / Membership management / and remove the first check mark next to their name / click on the "Submit Your Changes" button at the bottom of the page). Now dumpout the database and look again. Is the user still in the members{ } section? Are they still in the bounce_info{ } section? Hope this helps - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > Alright, I've got a problem here with an email address bouncing that > shouldn't be. > Here are the results of the bounce log: > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: emailaddress at domain.com - exceeded > limits > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: already disabled > emailaddress at domain.com > > > Alright now, I've looked in the membership managament section of the UI, > and the 'nomail' option is NOT checked for this address. > > I've tried unsubscribing this address and re-adding it to the lists, all to > no avail, it comes back up with the exceeded limits error. Where can I > re-enable this account, my next step will be to completey delete and > re-create the list, but short of this what can I do? > > > -Richard Idalski > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 21:14:01 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] document root References: Message-ID: <013e01c18412$b457df60$0b04010a@JCARNES> The list index page is created from a cgi-program called listinfo that is in the directory ~mailman/cgi-bin/.. An easy solution for you would be to write a small cgi that redirects to a static page or to another site, and call the cgi "listinfo" so that it replaces the current one. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Skjoldebrand" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] document root > If I want to make an alternative list index page what > should be the document root? I've had a look in > /home/mailman but can't see the correct page there anywhere. > > That is - I want users to go to > http://lists.forumsyd.net; rather than > > http://www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo > > So I need to give the virtual domain lists.x.x. a document > root. > > > mvh/ Regards, > > Martin S. > CTO, Forum Syd > > "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 13 21:20:22 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... In-Reply-To: <013d01c18412$5a63c410$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: Thanks for the idea, I tried that and after removing them from the list and looking at the db dump, the addres is still in the bounce info section, but not in the members section... I know you can't edit the db's dirctly, so how would I go about taking this address out of the bounce info? Thanks, Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:12 PM To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... To stop sending mail to a bouncing address Mailman simply actives the nomail option for the offending address; however, at that point Mailman *does not* erase or zero out the bounces from the database. The bounce record is still in the database in the bounce_info{ } section. So it is likely that one more bounce and the user will again be moved over to nomail. Removing the user from the list however *does* remove the info from the bounce_info section (I just checked, using Mailman version 2.06). You should check your database. Indeed you might need to recreate it. For now, look at the database using: ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists//config.db |more and look for the user. You will find them under "bounce_ info". Now remove the user (go to the web-admin / Membership management / and remove the first check mark next to their name / click on the "Submit Your Changes" button at the bottom of the page). Now dumpout the database and look again. Is the user still in the members{ } section? Are they still in the bounce_info{ } section? Hope this helps - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > Alright, I've got a problem here with an email address bouncing that > shouldn't be. > Here are the results of the bounce log: > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: emailaddress at domain.com - exceeded > limits > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: already disabled > emailaddress at domain.com > > > Alright now, I've looked in the membership managament section of the UI, > and the 'nomail' option is NOT checked for this address. > > I've tried unsubscribing this address and re-adding it to the lists, all to > no avail, it comes back up with the exceeded limits error. Where can I > re-enable this account, my next step will be to completey delete and > re-create the list, but short of this what can I do? > > > -Richard Idalski > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 21:27:39 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:27:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... References: Message-ID: <015201c18414$9c26ded0$0b04010a@JCARNES> This is either a bug or an error in your config file. What version of Mailman are your running? Have run ~mailman/bin/check_db ~mailman/lists//config.db ??? Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: "Jon Carnes" ; Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > Thanks for the idea, I tried that and after removing them from the list and > looking at the db dump, the addres is still in the bounce info section, but > not in the members section... I know you can't edit the db's dirctly, so how > would I go about taking this address out of the bounce info? > > Thanks, > > Richard Idalski > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:12 PM > To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > To stop sending mail to a bouncing address Mailman simply actives the nomail > option for the offending address; however, at that point Mailman *does not* > erase or zero out the bounces from the database. The bounce record is still > in the database in the bounce_info{ } section. So it is likely that one > more bounce and the user will again be moved over to nomail. > > Removing the user from the list however *does* remove the info from the > bounce_info section (I just checked, using Mailman version 2.06). > > You should check your database. Indeed you might need to recreate it. > > For now, look at the database using: > ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists//config.db |more > > and look for the user. You will find them under "bounce_ info". Now remove > the user (go to the web-admin / Membership management / and remove the first > check mark next to their name / click on the "Submit Your Changes" button at > the bottom of the page). > > Now dumpout the database and look again. Is the user still in the > members{ } section? Are they still in the bounce_info{ } section? > > Hope this helps - Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Idalski" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:57 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > Alright, I've got a problem here with an email address bouncing that > > shouldn't be. > > Here are the results of the bounce log: > > > > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: emailaddress at domain.com - exceeded > > limits > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: already disabled > > emailaddress at domain.com > > > > > > Alright now, I've looked in the membership managament section of the UI, > > and the 'nomail' option is NOT checked for this address. > > > > I've tried unsubscribing this address and re-adding it to the lists, all > to > > no avail, it comes back up with the exceeded limits error. Where can I > > re-enable this account, my next step will be to completey delete and > > re-create the list, but short of this what can I do? > > > > > > -Richard Idalski > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 21:29:32 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:29:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain isn't in my list of rcpthosts References: <3C18F80F.754292B3@scbbs.com> Message-ID: <016001c18414$df418530$0b04010a@JCARNES> Here is a qmail newbie guide to relaying... http://www.palomine.net/qmail/relaying.html I'm not a q-mailer so can't tell how useful it is... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Parker" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain isn't in my list of rcpthosts > Linux 7.2. mailman+qmail+vpopmail. > > An update from previous post. I took localhost.localdomain out of > /etc/hosts. The ehlo changed from "localhost.localdomain" to > "host4.scbbs.com" (64.233.20.66). In /etc/tcp.smtp: > > 1.2.3.6:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > 64.233.20.66:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > 127.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" > > It appears that qmail won't relay mail sent by mailman, even though > mailman is running on the localhost. The default hostname for mailman > is: host4.scbbs.com. What is it about the way mailman sends e-mail that > would cause this problem? Any clue as to what I need to change? > > # Site-specific settings > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'host4.scbbs.com' > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://host4.scbbs.com/mailman/' > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' > PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' > > HOME_PAGE = 'index.html' > MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > > MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail' > SMTPHOST = 'host4.scbbs.com' > > The log: > > Dec 12 21:54:05 host4 smtpd: 1008222845.848334 tcpserver: status: 1/40 > Dec 12 21:54:05 host4 smtpd: 1008222845.851272 tcpserver: pid 13761 from > 127.0.0.1 > Dec 12 21:54:05 host4 smtpd: 1008222845.886189 tcpserver: ok 13761 > localhost:127.0.0.1:25 localhost:127.0.0.1::1034 > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.011719 13761 > 220 > host4.scbbs.com ESMTP? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.018573 13761 < ehlo > localhost.localdomain? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.020464 13761 > > 250-host4.scbbs.com? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.020903 13761 > 250-PIPELINING? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.021301 13761 > 250 8BITMIME? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.046193 13761 < mail > FROM:? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.046986 13761 > 250 ok? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.060541 13761 < rcpt > TO:? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.061390 13761 > 553 sorry, that > domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.082271 13761 < rset? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.083010 13761 > 250 flushed? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.107914 13761 < quit? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.109225 tcpserver: end 13761 > status 0 > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.109596 tcpserver: status: 0/40 > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.110069 13761 > 221 > host4.scbbs.com? > Dec 12 21:54:06 host4 smtpd: 1008222846.133194 13761 > [EOF] > > changed to this > > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.122951 tcpserver: status: 1/40 > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.125794 tcpserver: pid 3710 from > 127.0.0.1 > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.140285 tcpserver: ok 3710 > localhost:127.0.0.1:25 localhost:127.0.0.1::1028 > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.453632 3710 > 220 > host4.scbbs.com ESMTP? > > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.460840 3710 < ehlo > host4.scbbs.com? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.461727 3710 > > 250-host4.scbbs.com? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.462229 3710 > 250-PIPELINING? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.462696 3710 > 250 8BITMIME? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.489319 3710 < mail > FROM:? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.490244 3710 > 250 ok? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.508601 3710 < rcpt > TO:? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.509548 3710 > 553 sorry, that > domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.515317 3710 < rset? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.516348 3710 > 250 flushed? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.519576 3710 < quit? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.520635 3710 > 221 > host4.scbbs.com? > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.540792 tcpserver: end 3710 > status 0 > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.577014 tcpserver: status: 0/40 > Dec 13 10:29:43 host4 smtpd: 1008268183.645401 3710 > [EOF] > > > -- > Ron Parker > Software Creations http://www.scbbs.com > TradeWinds Publishing http://www.intl-trade.com > TradePoint Los Angeles http://www.tradepointla.org > SiteDirector Security Server http://livepublish.scbbs.com > Civil War Online Library http://civilwar.scbbs.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 13 21:33:46 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:33:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... In-Reply-To: <015201c18414$9c26ded0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: Whoa... me thinks you're on to something, I'm running v2.08 which I upgraded a few days ago. when i run chec_db on that particular db I get : root at lists bin]# ./check_db ../lists/affiliates/config.db /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db cannot be opened: Not a directory /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db.last cannot be opened: Not a directory ***** ALERT ***** Both the original database file and the backup seem corrupted. You will probably need to recover both /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db and /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db.last from a system backup, or remove the list `../lists/affiliates/config.db' and re-create it from scratch. So It looks like I'l be recreating the list after all. One other thing I'm wondering is that this address is getting these errors fro multiple lists that it's on. Could they all eb corrupt? If so what could cause multiple lists to be corrupt? Thanks Again, Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:28 PM To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... This is either a bug or an error in your config file. What version of Mailman are your running? Have run ~mailman/bin/check_db ~mailman/lists//config.db ??? Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: "Jon Carnes" ; Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > Thanks for the idea, I tried that and after removing them from the list and > looking at the db dump, the addres is still in the bounce info section, but > not in the members section... I know you can't edit the db's dirctly, so how > would I go about taking this address out of the bounce info? > > Thanks, > > Richard Idalski > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:12 PM > To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > To stop sending mail to a bouncing address Mailman simply actives the nomail > option for the offending address; however, at that point Mailman *does not* > erase or zero out the bounces from the database. The bounce record is still > in the database in the bounce_info{ } section. So it is likely that one > more bounce and the user will again be moved over to nomail. > > Removing the user from the list however *does* remove the info from the > bounce_info section (I just checked, using Mailman version 2.06). > > You should check your database. Indeed you might need to recreate it. > > For now, look at the database using: > ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists//config.db |more > > and look for the user. You will find them under "bounce_ info". Now remove > the user (go to the web-admin / Membership management / and remove the first > check mark next to their name / click on the "Submit Your Changes" button at > the bottom of the page). > > Now dumpout the database and look again. Is the user still in the > members{ } section? Are they still in the bounce_info{ } section? > > Hope this helps - Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Idalski" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:57 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > Alright, I've got a problem here with an email address bouncing that > > shouldn't be. > > Here are the results of the bounce log: > > > > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: emailaddress at domain.com - exceeded > > limits > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: already disabled > > emailaddress at domain.com > > > > > > Alright now, I've looked in the membership managament section of the UI, > > and the 'nomail' option is NOT checked for this address. > > > > I've tried unsubscribing this address and re-adding it to the lists, all > to > > no avail, it comes back up with the exceeded limits error. Where can I > > re-enable this account, my next step will be to completey delete and > > re-create the list, but short of this what can I do? > > > > > > -Richard Idalski > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 21:33:16 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:33:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] the best way to... References: <20011213153301.68907.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com> <20011213110022.D30250@sherohman.org> <20011213120606.B28752@allhats.xcski.com> <20011213112303.E30250@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <016601c18415$65137c40$0b04010a@JCARNES> I still use tar. I had some problems with it 4 years ago, but it was easily fixable, and the next release corrected the problems. The main mis-belief about tar is that if one part goes bad (or is bad during the creation) then you can't get to the rest of the data. I'm sure this was true at one time, but not any more. Just my 2? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sherohman" To: Cc: "Paul Tomblin" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] the best way to... > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:06:06PM -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote: > > Quoting Dave Sherohman (esper at sherohman.org): > > > find . -xdev -print0 | cpio -pvdm0 /export/home2 > > > > Or my personal favourite > > > > tar cvfB - . | (cd /export/home2; tar xvBPf -) > > I've always stuck with cpio because I've heard that tar has problems > dealing with links and other special files. Is that a thing of the > past? > > -- > When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists > have already won. - reverius > > Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From bryan_lists at netmeme.org Thu Dec 13 21:40:41 2001 From: bryan_lists at netmeme.org (Bryan Field-Elliot) Date: 13 Dec 2001 13:40:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doesn't work: ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 In-Reply-To: <3C190FB5.836B5A77@nwla.com> References: <1008274318.30245.66.camel@c1593933-a.boulder1.co.home.com> <3C190FB5.836B5A77@nwla.com> Message-ID: <1008276041.30245.74.camel@c1593933-a.boulder1.co.home.com> Huh.. that worked, thanks! I guess I had my mental frame of reference wrong. I thought it was sendmail saying it Wanted 12, but I guess it was from Mailman's point of view. Thanks... Bryan On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 13:29, mel wrote: Well I thought the error message said it Wanted gid 12 and GOT gid 2 Maybe you ought to try make clean ./configure --with-mail-gid 2 make install -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Thu Dec 13 21:32:07 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:32:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doesn't work: ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 Message-ID: <200112132032.MAA15286@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > When I try to send it commands, I get this bounce message from Sendmail: > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2. (Reconfigure to take > 2?) > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2 > > I understand what's happening here, but my attempts to fix it are > failing. In my mailman source directory, I am doing this: > > make clean > ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 This is *causing* the problem. The program that issues the message above is part of mailman, and it wants what you told it it was getting: gid 12. However, what it's *getting* is gid 2. You need to "reconfigure to take 2". This is FAQ number 1.4, btw, too. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 21:42:13 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:42:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway a news group doesn't get first dozen messages References: Message-ID: <018301c18416$a542f420$0b04010a@JCARNES> I probably didn't understand the question (or the problem...), but it sounds like you had a simple problem that some of the posts were ignored, but now everything is working fine. This delay could have been a simple matter of when cron started up the proper scripts. The current version of Mailman does not use a daemon to run its processes - instead cron is used to startup several sub-processes that use lock files to monitor each other (so they don't step on each other). The news gating processes may not start for several minutes. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean_Roberts at oti.com To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway a news group doesn't get first dozen messages Hi folks, I have mailman 2.0.6 and when I gateway a news group the first couple of dozen messages are not gatewayed even though I have the "CatchUp" option set to No. New incoming messages get gatewayed just fine. Both news groups are on the same news server and are configured the same. Does anybody have any suggestions about what the problem could be. Thanks ...Dean... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011213/a35f3152/attachment.htm From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Thu Dec 13 21:50:36 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:50:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... Message-ID: <200112132051.MAA16246@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > Whoa... me thinks you're on to something, I'm running v2.08 which I upgraded > a few days ago. when i run chec_db on that particular db I get : > > > root at lists bin]# ./check_db ../lists/affiliates/config.db > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db cannot be > opened: > Not a directory > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db.last cannot be > opened: > Not a directory Doesn't the fact that it issues a message with config.db listed twice make you a little curious? Ypu gave the wrong args to check_db. check_db's usage message (also in the top of the script): Usage: %(PROGRAM)s [options] [listname [listname ...]] Try cd ~mailman bin/check_db affiliates > > ***** ALERT ***** > Both the original database file and the backup seem > corrupted. You will probably need to recover both > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db > and > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db.last > from a system backup, or remove the list `../lists/affiliates/config.db' and > re-create it from scratch. > > So It looks like I'l be recreating the list after all. > > One other thing I'm wondering is that this address is getting these errors > fro multiple lists that it's on. Could they all eb corrupt? If so what could > cause multiple lists to be corrupt? > > Thanks Again, > > Richard Idalski > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:28 PM > To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > This is either a bug or an error in your config file. What version of > Mailman are your running? Have run > ~mailman/bin/check_db ~mailman/lists//config.db > > ??? > > Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Idalski" > To: "Jon Carnes" ; > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > Thanks for the idea, I tried that and after removing them from the list > and > > looking at the db dump, the addres is still in the bounce info section, > but > > not in the members section... I know you can't edit the db's dirctly, so > how > > would I go about taking this address out of the bounce info? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Richard Idalski > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:12 PM > > To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > To stop sending mail to a bouncing address Mailman simply actives the > nomail > > option for the offending address; however, at that point Mailman *does > not* > > erase or zero out the bounces from the database. The bounce record is > still > > in the database in the bounce_info{ } section. So it is likely that one > > more bounce and the user will again be moved over to nomail. > > > > Removing the user from the list however *does* remove the info from the > > bounce_info section (I just checked, using Mailman version 2.06). > > > > You should check your database. Indeed you might need to recreate it. > > > > For now, look at the database using: > > ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists//config.db |more > > > > and look for the user. You will find them under "bounce_ info". Now > remove > > the user (go to the web-admin / Membership management / and remove the > first > > check mark next to their name / click on the "Submit Your Changes" button > at > > the bottom of the page). > > > > Now dumpout the database and look again. Is the user still in the > > members{ } section? Are they still in the bounce_info{ } section? > > > > Hope this helps - Jon Carnes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Idalski" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:57 PM > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I've got a problem here with an email address bouncing that > > > shouldn't be. > > > Here are the results of the bounce log: > > > > > > > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: emailaddress at domain.com - > exceeded > > > limits > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: already disabled > > > emailaddress at domain.com > > > > > > > > > Alright now, I've looked in the membership managament section of the UI, > > > and the 'nomail' option is NOT checked for this address. > > > > > > I've tried unsubscribing this address and re-adding it to the lists, all > > to > > > no avail, it comes back up with the exceeded limits error. Where can I > > > re-enable this account, my next step will be to completey delete and > > > re-create the list, but short of this what can I do? > > > > > > > > > -Richard Idalski > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 13 21:58:01 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:58:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... In-Reply-To: <200112132051.MAA16246@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: And My very grievous oversight becomes apparent... well aside from hanging my head in embarrassment, I now see that the db is not corrupt after all: [root at lists bin]# ./check_db affiliates /home/mailman/lists/affiliates/config.db is fine /home/mailman/lists/affiliates/config.db.last is fine So, what could we be looking at then? a problem with my configuration? a bug? any ideas? Thanks, Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: Dan Mick [mailto:dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:51 PM To: jonc at haht.com; Mailman-Users at python.org; ridalski at nandomedia.com Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > Whoa... me thinks you're on to something, I'm running v2.08 which I upgraded > a few days ago. when i run chec_db on that particular db I get : > > > root at lists bin]# ./check_db ../lists/affiliates/config.db > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db cannot be > opened: > Not a directory > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db.last cannot be > opened: > Not a directory Doesn't the fact that it issues a message with config.db listed twice make you a little curious? Ypu gave the wrong args to check_db. check_db's usage message (also in the top of the script): Usage: %(PROGRAM)s [options] [listname [listname ...]] Try cd ~mailman bin/check_db affiliates > > ***** ALERT ***** > Both the original database file and the backup seem > corrupted. You will probably need to recover both > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db > and > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db.last > from a system backup, or remove the list `../lists/affiliates/config.db' and > re-create it from scratch. > > So It looks like I'l be recreating the list after all. > > One other thing I'm wondering is that this address is getting these errors > fro multiple lists that it's on. Could they all eb corrupt? If so what could > cause multiple lists to be corrupt? > > Thanks Again, > > Richard Idalski > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:28 PM > To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > This is either a bug or an error in your config file. What version of > Mailman are your running? Have run > ~mailman/bin/check_db ~mailman/lists//config.db > > ??? > > Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Idalski" > To: "Jon Carnes" ; > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > Thanks for the idea, I tried that and after removing them from the list > and > > looking at the db dump, the addres is still in the bounce info section, > but > > not in the members section... I know you can't edit the db's dirctly, so > how > > would I go about taking this address out of the bounce info? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Richard Idalski > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:12 PM > > To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > To stop sending mail to a bouncing address Mailman simply actives the > nomail > > option for the offending address; however, at that point Mailman *does > not* > > erase or zero out the bounces from the database. The bounce record is > still > > in the database in the bounce_info{ } section. So it is likely that one > > more bounce and the user will again be moved over to nomail. > > > > Removing the user from the list however *does* remove the info from the > > bounce_info section (I just checked, using Mailman version 2.06). > > > > You should check your database. Indeed you might need to recreate it. > > > > For now, look at the database using: > > ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists//config.db |more > > > > and look for the user. You will find them under "bounce_ info". Now > remove > > the user (go to the web-admin / Membership management / and remove the > first > > check mark next to their name / click on the "Submit Your Changes" button > at > > the bottom of the page). > > > > Now dumpout the database and look again. Is the user still in the > > members{ } section? Are they still in the bounce_info{ } section? > > > > Hope this helps - Jon Carnes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Idalski" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:57 PM > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I've got a problem here with an email address bouncing that > > > shouldn't be. > > > Here are the results of the bounce log: > > > > > > > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: emailaddress at domain.com - > exceeded > > > limits > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: already disabled > > > emailaddress at domain.com > > > > > > > > > Alright now, I've looked in the membership managament section of the UI, > > > and the 'nomail' option is NOT checked for this address. > > > > > > I've tried unsubscribing this address and re-adding it to the lists, all > > to > > > no avail, it comes back up with the exceeded limits error. Where can I > > > re-enable this account, my next step will be to completey delete and > > > re-create the list, but short of this what can I do? > > > > > > > > > -Richard Idalski > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 13 22:18:54 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:18:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... References: Message-ID: <01bd01c1841b$c5ff9790$0b04010a@JCARNES> Looks like a possible bug in 2.0.8. When I get a chance, I'll test out a 2.0.8 site that I run and see if it does the same. If it does, I'll compare the code and see if I can isolate it... There was a message about two weeks ago that outlined the use ~mailman/bin/withlist. You should be able to use this to remove the errant entry manually from the database. Frankly I think it's easier to startup Python, and do it that way (make a copy of the database first...). Good Luck - I'm off to a Christmas party! Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Idalski" To: "Dan Mick" ; ; Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > And My very grievous oversight becomes apparent... well aside from hanging > my head in embarrassment, I now see that the db is not corrupt after all: > > [root at lists bin]# ./check_db affiliates > /home/mailman/lists/affiliates/config.db is fine > /home/mailman/lists/affiliates/config.db.last is fine > > So, what could we be looking at then? a problem with my configuration? a > bug? any ideas? > > > Thanks, > > Richard Idalski > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Mick [mailto:dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:51 PM > To: jonc at haht.com; Mailman-Users at python.org; ridalski at nandomedia.com > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > Whoa... me thinks you're on to something, I'm running v2.08 which I > upgraded > > a few days ago. when i run chec_db on that particular db I get : > > > > > > root at lists bin]# ./check_db ../lists/affiliates/config.db > > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db cannot be > > opened: > > Not a directory > > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db.last cannot be > > opened: > > Not a directory > > Doesn't the fact that it issues a message with config.db listed > twice make you a little curious? Ypu gave the wrong args to > check_db. > > check_db's usage message (also in the top of the script): > > Usage: %(PROGRAM)s [options] [listname [listname ...]] > > Try > > cd ~mailman > bin/check_db affiliates > > > > > > ***** ALERT ***** > > Both the original database file and the backup seem > > corrupted. You will probably need to recover both > > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db > > and > > /home/mailman/lists/../lists/affiliates/config.db/config.db.last > > from a system backup, or remove the list `../lists/affiliates/config.db' > and > > re-create it from scratch. > > > > So It looks like I'l be recreating the list after all. > > > > One other thing I'm wondering is that this address is getting these errors > > fro multiple lists that it's on. Could they all eb corrupt? If so what > could > > cause multiple lists to be corrupt? > > > > Thanks Again, > > > > Richard Idalski > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:28 PM > > To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > This is either a bug or an error in your config file. What version of > > Mailman are your running? Have run > > ~mailman/bin/check_db ~mailman/lists//config.db > > > > ??? > > > > Jon Carnes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Idalski" > > To: "Jon Carnes" ; > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:20 PM > > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > > Thanks for the idea, I tried that and after removing them from the list > > and > > > looking at the db dump, the addres is still in the bounce info section, > > but > > > not in the members section... I know you can't edit the db's dirctly, so > > how > > > would I go about taking this address out of the bounce info? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Richard Idalski > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:12 PM > > > To: Richard Idalski; Mailman-Users at python.org > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > > > > To stop sending mail to a bouncing address Mailman simply actives the > > nomail > > > option for the offending address; however, at that point Mailman *does > > not* > > > erase or zero out the bounces from the database. The bounce record is > > still > > > in the database in the bounce_info{ } section. So it is likely that one > > > more bounce and the user will again be moved over to nomail. > > > > > > Removing the user from the list however *does* remove the info from the > > > bounce_info section (I just checked, using Mailman version 2.06). > > > > > > You should check your database. Indeed you might need to recreate it. > > > > > > For now, look at the database using: > > > ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists//config.db |more > > > > > > and look for the user. You will find them under "bounce_ info". Now > > remove > > > the user (go to the web-admin / Membership management / and remove the > > first > > > check mark next to their name / click on the "Submit Your Changes" > button > > at > > > the bottom of the page). > > > > > > Now dumpout the database and look again. Is the user still in the > > > members{ } section? Are they still in the bounce_info{ } section? > > > > > > Hope this helps - Jon Carnes > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Richard Idalski" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:57 PM > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing address problems.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I've got a problem here with an email address bouncing that > > > > shouldn't be. > > > > Here are the results of the bounce log: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: emailaddress at domain.com - > > exceeded > > > > limits > > > > Dec 13 10:35:49 2001 (7197) List-Name: already disabled > > > > emailaddress at domain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Alright now, I've looked in the membership managament section of the > UI, > > > > and the 'nomail' option is NOT checked for this address. > > > > > > > > I've tried unsubscribing this address and re-adding it to the lists, > all > > > to > > > > no avail, it comes back up with the exceeded limits error. Where can > I > > > > re-enable this account, my next step will be to completey delete and > > > > re-create the list, but short of this what can I do? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Richard Idalski > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From bill at midway.uchicago.edu Thu Dec 13 23:35:07 2001 From: bill at midway.uchicago.edu (William H. Sterner) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:35:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to suppress List- info? Message-ID: I'm a new list manager and haven't been able to figure out how to suppress the following List- lines in each message from the Administrator's manual. My group is a small group of technical people, and I really want to eliminate this visual clutter, not to mention the wasted storage and bandwidth. >List-Help: >List-Post: >List-Subscribe: , > >List-Id: <.> >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: Any help would be most appreciated. Bill Sterner Dir. CS Lab University of Chciago From rfransix at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 23:49:19 2001 From: rfransix at yahoo.com (pelicancomputers) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:49:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] SUMMARY: mailman v2.0.5 fails In-Reply-To: <20011212221004.13149.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011213224919.42947.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> A: several problems found and repaired: 1. DNS turned off 2. mm_cfg.py's SMTPHOST pointed to an alias only valid on the DNS server! 3. /etc/hosts' 127.0.0.1 not pointing to localhost 4. /etc/hosts' incorrectly paired hosts' hostname with its' IP address, nor was a valid alias paired correctly. amazing it ever worked in the first place. special thanks to DAN M. for private consultation. --- pelicancomputers wrote: > help. i'm running mailman on redhat with apache... > > i can send mail to and from the server to and from > the > internet... > > if i send mail to a list member, it never gets > there. > > perms check out fine, db's check out fine... > > what else can be wrong? > > thanks for your help. > > rf > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for > all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Dec 13 23:51:16 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:51:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to suppress List- info? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/13/01 2:35 PM, "William H. Sterner" wrote: > I'm a new list manager and haven't been able to figure out how to > suppress the following List- lines in each message from the > Administrator's manual. It's in the FAQ. From marina at reliance.it Fri Dec 14 00:14:31 2001 From: marina at reliance.it (marina) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:14:31 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests? In-Reply-To: <20011213114326.A28752@allhats.xcski.com> References: <20011213111519.A7118@mems-exchange.org> <20011213114326.A28752@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: At 11:43 AM -0500 13/12/01 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests?: >Or more likely, he has no control over the installation of the software on >the machine he's running the mailing list. If I let somebody set up a >mailing list on my site, using the copy of mailman that I installed, it is >extremely unlikely that I'm going to let him mess with the source code on >my machine. > That's exactly it, Paul. Thank you for explaining it so clearly. Sure, Python is easy to use and Mailman is well written, but we run our list on a huge hosting server and we don't have admin privileges. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this also means we cannot use Alex's suggestion. From the point of view of making Mailman more popular or not, it's obvious that the first thing users are going to see, is how messy are both digests and individual messages. This is giving Mailman a bad name. Thank you anyway, and let's hope that future versions of Mailman make it easier to use the software on sites that run multiple lists, where each list needs different configuration options. marina From alex at phred.org Fri Dec 14 00:34:09 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:34:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011213153214.X37153-100000@phred.org> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, marina wrote: > That's exactly it, Paul. Thank you for explaining it so clearly. > Sure, Python is easy to use and Mailman is well written, but we run > our list on a huge hosting server and we don't have admin privileges. > > Unfortunately, I'm afraid this also means we cannot use Alex's suggestion. The hoster should be able to offer stripping HTML as an option to list owners. Setting up the aliases to strip HTML is no more difficult than setting up the list in the first place. I host many lists on my server, and I'm the only list administrator with shell access to the server, but I still give the other list administrators the option to strip HTML. I believe Mailman-2.1 will have HTML/MIME stripping as a built in option, but I haven't played with the alpha. alex From sysop at scbbs.com Fri Dec 14 02:50:38 2001 From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:50:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script Message-ID: <3C195AEE.8B75971@scbbs.com> I finally got mailman working, somewhat. I can get to admin and listinfo pages with no problem. listinfo page sends subscription confirmation e-mail. However, when user replies to confirmation e-mail, I get this error in maillog: Dec 13 17:53:52 host4 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 508. (Reconfigure to take 508?) Before installing, I created the user mailman. I ran config with mail-gid=mail and cgi-bid=apache. My gid 12 is "games". What should I do now to get past this error? Thanks. -ron -- Ron Parker Software Creations http://www.scbbs.com TradeWinds Publishing http://www.intl-trade.com TradePoint Los Angeles http://www.tradepointla.org SiteDirector Security Server http://livepublish.scbbs.com Civil War Online Library http://civilwar.scbbs.com From ljacobs at shambhala.com Fri Dec 14 04:44:18 2001 From: ljacobs at shambhala.com (Leonard Jacobs) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] posting to list getting dropped Message-ID: <200112132244.AA189530480@kalapa.shambhala.com> I am running Mailman 2.0 under python 2.0 on a solaris system. The last two posts to my moderated only lists are not getting placed in the data directory, and they are not getting logged in the vette file. The messages are getting into the qfiles directory, and the only possible clue I can find is the following error message left in the post file: ==================================================== Dec 13 22:06:41 2001 (29259) post to shambhala from callen at shambhala.com, size=2 309, 26 failures Any suggestions for how to get the messages posted again? Thanks. Leonard Jacobs Shambhala Publications (617) 424-0030 From luciana at ccuec.unicamp.br Thu Dec 13 19:46:34 2001 From: luciana at ccuec.unicamp.br (Luciana Meneghel) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:46:34 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attach file Message-ID: <3C18F78A.BD6E7A9D@ccuec.unicamp.br> How can I reject automaticly a message with attach file? And How can I reject automaticly a message write in html? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: luciana.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: Card for Luciana Meneghel Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011213/99fb02b7/attachment.vcf From tjalling.kathleen at wxs.nl Thu Dec 13 19:38:19 2001 From: tjalling.kathleen at wxs.nl (Tjalling Kikkert) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:38:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Welcome-message In-Reply-To: <20011212225613.GC3029@testsystem.server0.de> Message-ID: On 12-12-2001 23:56 Jonas Meurer wrote: > Hey ho, > Can I change the messages from mailman? At the confirm-mail: That's not too difficult: edit verify.txt (/templates directory) the way you want it. Maybe even leave it empty. Same for userpass.txt. Use strings like: %(user)s %(listname)s %(password)s for list specific items start typing (in the web interface) the "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message" option (General Options). greetz, Tjalling --- "We want to stand at the intersection of art and technology." - Steve Jobs From camel at lrllamas.com Thu Dec 13 19:43:58 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S.Curtis) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:43:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail to posfix - stumped Message-ID: <20011213184358.B305380DA@camel.lrllamas.com> Well, nothing is ever as easy as it seems... Anyone have any wisdom on completing the mailman conversion from sendmail to postfix? I guess I just don't understand the brief instrustions regarding getting mailman to work w/postfix -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From dsteiner at auctionbytes.com Fri Dec 14 01:55:20 2001 From: dsteiner at auctionbytes.com (David Steiner) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:55:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions about MailMan Message-ID: <000a01c1843a$04b19100$6401a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> Hi, I'm very impressed with your software and I would like to implement it on our Site, however, one of the features that our users are looking for is the ability to post an reply to messages from the Web interface. (YahooGroups has this functionality). My questions are: 1) Will future versions of MailMan support this feature? 2) Is there any way to incorporate an existing discussion board software with MailMan to allow posting via the Web and also receive email notification? Thanks, ================ David Steiner President, AuctionBytes.com PO Box 668, Natick, MA 01760 --> AuctionBytes, as seen in Wall Street Journal, Boston Herald, NBC News, ABC 'Chronicle' --> Auction-News Correspondent, "Calling All Collectors" Radio WSRO 1470AM Boston --> Get auction and collecting news & information at http://www.auctionbytes.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011213/f2212b89/attachment.htm From sysop at scbbs.com Thu Dec 13 05:05:37 2001 From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:05:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain isn't in list of allowed rcpthosts Message-ID: <3C182911.97C68927@scbbs.com> Hello, Installed mailman 2.0.8 on Linux 7.2 system running qmail+vpopmail. Install appeared to work. Created list. I can access list admin. However, when I try to subscribe to list, the user doesn't get anything back. Looking at the logs, I see this (mail list is host4.scbbs.com, user trying to subscribe is markfien at fiengroup.com): Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.465755 20388 > 220 host4.scbbs.com ESMTP? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.474061 20388 < ehlo localhost.localdomain? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.474962 20388 > 250-host4.scbbs.com? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.475458 20388 > 250-PIPELINING? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.475921 20388 > 250 8BITMIME? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.502945 20388 < mail FROM:? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.503854 20388 > 250 ok? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.556793 20388 < rcpt TO:? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.557763 20388 > 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.561415 20388 < rset? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.562476 20388 > 250 flushed? Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.585977 20388 < quit? I don't know what I've done, configuration-wise, which is making the system look for matching domain names in rcpthosts. Here are the only config changes I've made: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'host4.scbbs.com' # DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash! DEFAULT_URL = 'http://host4.scbbs.com/mailman/' PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' HOME_PAGE = 'index.html' MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail' Any suggestions, please? Thanks. -ron -- Ron Parker Software Creations http://www.scbbs.com TradeWinds Publishing http://www.intl-trade.com TradePoint Los Angeles http://www.tradepointla.org SiteDirector Security Server http://livepublish.scbbs.com Civil War Online Library http://civilwar.scbbs.com From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 14 06:54:38 2001 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:54:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15385.37918.91651.886642@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> marina> We are running a list using Mailman 2, where most of the members marina> are totally computer illiterate, and cannot be bothered marina> understanding why or how to change their email settings. marina> As a result, this list digests include huge portions of HTML marina> coding - which is perceived as extremely annoying by several marina> users (including some who choose to use HTML mail, of course). Can you just change your users' digest settings from plain to MIME digests for them? Can you make MIME digests the default option for people who choose to read the digest version of your list? -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Dec 14 07:56:51 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:56:51 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] posting mails are not reaching In-Reply-To: <200112132244.AA189530480@kalapa.shambhala.com> References: <200112132244.AA189530480@kalapa.shambhala.com> Message-ID: <20011214.6565100@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear all I have configured Mailman. From the browser am able to subscribe to the list and i also get acknowledgment/confirmation mail to appropriate mail id for subscribing. Later, after do a reply mail , i am unable to receive any mails from the list. Is it a technical or functional problem, how to solve it. Thanks in advance Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011214/93bc07fe/attachment.html From jwblist at olympus.net Fri Dec 14 08:01:57 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:01:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attach file In-Reply-To: <3C18F78A.BD6E7A9D@ccuec.unicamp.br> References: <3C18F78A.BD6E7A9D@ccuec.unicamp.br> Message-ID: At 15:46 -0300 12/13/2001, Luciana Meneghel wrote: >How can I reject automaticly a message with attach file? >And How can I reject automaticly a message write in html? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp Why do I find it ironic that this query came with an attached .vcf file? ;-) --John From doug at gate.sinica.edu.tw Fri Dec 14 10:17:31 2001 From: doug at gate.sinica.edu.tw (doug) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:17:31 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix with mailman : can't reply mail to mailman? Message-ID: <3C19C3AB.1020306@gate.sinica.edu.tw> hello:) I've success build postfix and mailman. Postfix seems working good. I subscript a mail address to mailman. Soon , I got the confirm mail from mailman. And I reply the mail , but the "welcome mail " never back to the mail address??? I have not get ""Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender"" . So maybe the problem is in mailman wrappper?? I've read INSTALL in mailman and reconfigure mailman --with-mail-gid=nobody. From oren at 11812.com Sat Dec 15 13:01:43 2001 From: oren at 11812.com (Oren) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:01:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Take me out from youre mail list Please. Message-ID: Hi. :-) please take my email address out from youre mail list. i get more then 150 mail in day and i Don't ask for this.... my Email is oren at 11812.com thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011215/cc9486ef/attachment.htm From tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl Fri Dec 14 13:43:39 2001 From: tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl (Tjalling Kikkert) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:43:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] text on buttons Message-ID: Hi there, "How do I change the text on the buttons?" I don't know if this question is already answered but I got the answer. In my case I had to edit files (listinfo.py and options.py) in /usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi. First I did a search on the string., made a save copy of the .py script, editted the real one and checked it. works for me :-) Tjalling Kikkert ICT De Reserveerlijn Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. From marina at reliance.it Fri Dec 14 14:10:05 2001 From: marina at reliance.it (marina) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:10:05 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML in digests? In-Reply-To: <15385.37918.91651.886642@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> References: <15385.37918.91651.886642@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> Message-ID: Skip Montanaro wrote: >Can you just change your users' digest settings from plain to MIME digests >for them? Can you make MIME digests the default option for people who >choose to read the digest version of your list? > Yes, Mailman makes this option available in the Web admin interface. The reason why we chose "plain text" rather than MIME, is that users tend to be a bit paranoid about email attachments these days... and I can't blame them. Thank you for your thoughts. Let's hope this problem is sorted out soon... marina From jorge.llacer at bt.es Fri Dec 14 14:28:46 2001 From: jorge.llacer at bt.es (jorge.llacer at bt.es) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:28:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Python 2.1.1 on Solaris 2.6 Message-ID: <9BF904D9BF6FD511B6B70008C7DBDD2371B06E@ESLICASAEX2> > Hello, > we are having problems installing Python. The problems arise when > executing "make". > Our platform is Solaris 2.6, GCC 3.0.2 and Python 2.1.1 > > I attach the results obtained after runnning the "./configure" script and > the results when running "make". > Please, if someone has ever had this problem and could help me..... > Thank you very much! > > Jorge. > > > <> <> > > > ********************************************** Noticia legal Este mensaje electr?nico contiene informaci?n de BT Ignite Espa?a S.A.U. que es privada y confidencial, siendo para el uso exclusivo de la persona (s) o entidades arriba mencionadas. 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Name: make_results Type: application/octet-stream Size: 841 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011214/01bd3936/attachment-0001.obj From rodolfo at linux.org.uy Fri Dec 14 14:39:56 2001 From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: 14 Dec 2001 10:39:56 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN_SITE_LIST Message-ID: <1008337196.24411.5.camel@claudia> I use MM 2.1a3 with Python 2.0 I have MAILMAN_SITE_LIST='mailman' in my $prefix/Mailman/Default.py in accordance to the item 4 of the INSTALL document: Create a "site-wide" mailing list. This is the one that password reminders will appear to come from. Usually this should be the "mailman" mailing list, but if you need to change this, be sure to change the MAILMAN_SITE_LIST variable in mm_cfg.py (see below). I also have DEFAULT_HOST_NAME='mysite.net' in my $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py But the list is showed as mailman at www.mysite.net (whit "www") additionally, when I create a new list the host_name by default is showed as www.mysite.net (of course, I chage it to mysite.net). I see this problem since I upgraded from 2.1a2 to 2.1a3. Can you tell me how to have mailman at mysite.net (without "www") and a default host_name "mysite.net" again? Thank you. -- Rodolfo Pilas Quien los puso a estos tipos donde estan, rodolfo at linux.org.uy Quien los deja seguir en su lugar, http://rodolfo.pilas.net Quien los baja ahora de su altar, ICQ #17461636 Quien les paga para que hagan lo que haran http://xtralinux.org -=# Apocalipsis Now % Cuarteto de Nos #=- Public GnuPG key: http://www.keyserver.net 1024D/57153363 2001-06-02 key fingerprint = DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0 48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363 From gward at mems-exchange.org Fri Dec 14 15:24:01 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:24:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script In-Reply-To: <3C195AEE.8B75971@scbbs.com> References: <3C195AEE.8B75971@scbbs.com> Message-ID: <20011214092401.A25889@mems-exchange.org> On 13 December 2001, Ron Parker said: > I finally got mailman working, somewhat. I can get to admin and > listinfo pages with no problem. listinfo page sends subscription > confirmation e-mail. However, when user replies to confirmation e-mail, > I get this error in maillog: > > Dec 13 17:53:52 host4 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. > WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 508. (Reconfigure to take 508?) > > Before installing, I created the user mailman. I ran config with > mail-gid=mail and cgi-bid=apache. My gid 12 is "games". > > What should I do now to get past this error? Read the FAQ, specifically questions 1.4 and 6.1 (both of which address this problem -- possibly redundantly, hmmm): http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.004.htp http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.001.htp Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From dev at anabasis.net Fri Dec 14 16:46:52 2001 From: dev at anabasis.net (Lawrence Weeks) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:46:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest volume rotation Message-ID: <20011214094652.A24195@xenophon.anabasis.net> Hi, Does the Mailman 2.0.x digest volume rotate (& issue counter reset) at the end of the year? A quick perusal of the source didn't turn up any such code. I recently converted a list to Mailman, and set the volume & issue count via the handy 'withlist' script so the move would be seamless. I'm wondering if I need to do that again in January. Or better, write a script and put it in cron. If 2.0.x does not, will 2.1? Larry -- Lawrence Weeks "Audaces fortuna juvat." dev at anabasis.net From tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl Fri Dec 14 16:51:41 2001 From: tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl (Tjalling Kikkert) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:51:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] locked list Message-ID: hi there, I got a "big" problem. One of my lists is locked and I don't know how to unlock it. Can someone point me in the right direction? Any help is welcome :-) greetz and TIA Tjalling Kikkert ICT De Reserveerlijn Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. From tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl Fri Dec 14 17:03:07 2001 From: tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl (Tjalling Kikkert) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:03:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] locked list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for crying for help too soon... I found more than e few locks in /mailman/locks Don't know how they got there though, will keep an eye on it :-) Thnax anyway greetz, Tjalling Kikkert ICT De Reserveerlijn Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. From dan at ssc.com Fri Dec 14 17:17:30 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:17:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix with mailman : can't reply mail to mailman? In-Reply-To: <3C19C3AB.1020306@gate.sinica.edu.tw> References: <3C19C3AB.1020306@gate.sinica.edu.tw> Message-ID: <20011214081730.B32373@ssc.com> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 05:17:31PM +0800, doug wrote: > hello:) > I've success build postfix and mailman. > Postfix seems working good. > I subscript a mail address to mailman. > Soon , I got the confirm mail from mailman. > And I reply the mail , but the "welcome mail " never back to > the mail address??? > I have not get ""Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender"" . > So maybe the problem is in mailman wrappper?? > I've read INSTALL in mailman and reconfigure mailman --with-mail-gid=nobody. Look at the rest of the bounce. Does it claim to be from Postfix? If so, check your Postfix config. Most likely there's something amiss in the aliases file, or perhaps you didn't run postalias /etc/aliases after adding the mailman aliases. The postfix logs also offer important clues. Postfix uses the syslog facility, so you may have to look at /etc/syslog.conf to figure out where the logs go. Hint: on many unices, take a look at /var/log/*mail*. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From gward at mems-exchange.org Fri Dec 14 17:34:11 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:34:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce-handling question Message-ID: <20011214113411.A26962@mems-exchange.org> Hi all -- I'm trying to figure out why a particularly unreliable address has not been disabled by Mailman yet. As near as I can tell (mostly by looking at Exim's retry database), the mail server for this user's domain has not been working since late October: either it answers and fails with "452 4.4.5 Insufficient disk space; try again later", or it simply refuses the SMTP connection request. In either case, mail to this user sits in our local Exim queue for four days until our Exim times it out and sends the bounce message to Mailman. Mailman has certainly been getting these bounce messages; here's an excerpt from ~mailman/logs/bounce: Nov 07 18:17:02 2001 (24867) mems-talk: nychang at yam.com - first Nov 08 02:24:01 2001 (27027) mems-talk: nychang at yam.com - 3 more allowed over 402780 secs Dec 09 10:55:01 2001 (29717) mems-talk: nychang at yam.com - first Dec 09 10:55:01 2001 (29717) mems-talk: nychang at yam.com - 2 more allowed over 345599 secs The weird thing is that around 11am on Dec 9, there were a *lot* of these bounces -- presumably all the list traffic for the last four days. Mailman logged them all: bounce:Dec 09 10:55:02 2001 (29717) mems-talk: nychang at yam.com - 2 more allowed over 345599 secs bounce:Dec 09 10:55:02 2001 (29717) mems-talk: nychang at yam.com - 2 more allowed over 345599 secs bounce:Dec 09 10:55:02 2001 (29717) mems-talk: nychang at yam.com - 2 more allowed over 345599 secs bounce:Dec 09 10:55:02 2001 (29717) mems-talk: nychang at yam.com - 2 more allowed over 345599 secs [...dozens more skipped...] However, it never disabled the subscription. In fact, Mailman hasn't disabled *anything* since Nov 20, despite plenty of bounces. Hmmm. Ideas? Clues? Advice? Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From TDyson at sybex.com Fri Dec 14 18:23:05 2001 From: TDyson at sybex.com (TDyson at sybex.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:23:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML macros? Message-ID: In the page to edit the public HTML files, there are calls to things like Obviously these are being expanded out to other values. Is there a list of the macro names that are available? Thom Dyson Director of Information Services Sybex, Inc. From tech at murrain.net Fri Dec 14 18:40:23 2001 From: tech at murrain.net (Michelle Murrain) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail/Mhonarc, archives... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214122609.027d37f0@66.39.10.250> Hi folks, I'm wondering about whether folks know about the state of development of pipermail, particularly whether the issue of attachments in the archives are on track to be dealt with. I'm trying to build a good, feature-rich mailing-list/archive combination, and I'm looking at the various options, including using Mhonarc for the archiving. Suggestions? .Michelle --------------------------------------- Michelle Murrain, Ph.D. tech at murrain.net AIM:pearlbear0 http://www.murrain.net/ for pgp public key From camel at lrllamas.com Fri Dec 14 19:30:09 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:30:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail to posfix - stumped In-Reply-To: <80256B22.003D9201.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> References: <80256B22.003D9201.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: <20011214183009.DC39E81AD@camel.lrllamas.com> Thanks for all the help - everything is working just fine. On Friday 14 December 2001 06:15 am, you wrote: > On 13/12/2001 18:43:58 Camel - Jay S.Curtis wrote: > >Well, nothing is ever as easy as it seems... > >Anyone have any wisdom on completing the mailman > >conversion from sendmail to postfix? > > > >I guess I just don't understand the brief instrustions > >regarding getting mailman to work w/postfix > <> -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From gward at mems-exchange.org Fri Dec 14 19:49:28 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:49:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail/Mhonarc, archives... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214122609.027d37f0@66.39.10.250> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214122609.027d37f0@66.39.10.250> Message-ID: <20011214134928.A27412@mems-exchange.org> On 14 December 2001, Michelle Murrain said: > I'm wondering about whether folks know about the state of development of > pipermail, particularly whether the issue of attachments in the archives > are on track to be dealt with. See http://amk.ca/python/unmaintained/pipermail.html for the author's definitive statement (as if the URL doesn't tell you enough). > I'm trying to build a good, feature-rich mailing-list/archive combination, > and I'm looking at the various options, including using Mhonarc for the > archiving. > > Suggestions? I don't have any, but you should post to this list with what you find out about external archivers that work well with Mailman. I'm sure lots of people would be interested. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From sysop at scbbs.com Fri Dec 14 21:47:52 2001 From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:47:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail/Mhonarc, archives... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214122609.027d37f0@66.39.10.250> <20011214134928.A27412@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <3C1A6578.8281ADD1@scbbs.com> I found this link which talks about using mhonarc with mailman: http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/lists/mhonarc/may99/msg00023.html but, it's a couple years old. I know the mailman home page says it works with mhonarc. Are there any more recent instructions anywhere for accomplishing this? Thanks. -ron Greg Ward wrote: > On 14 December 2001, Michelle Murrain said: > > I'm wondering about whether folks know about the state of development of > > pipermail, particularly whether the issue of attachments in the archives > > are on track to be dealt with. > > See http://amk.ca/python/unmaintained/pipermail.html for the author's > definitive statement (as if the URL doesn't tell you enough). > > > I'm trying to build a good, feature-rich mailing-list/archive combination, > > and I'm looking at the various options, including using Mhonarc for the > > archiving. > > > > Suggestions? > > I don't have any, but you should post to this list with what you find > out about external archivers that work well with Mailman. I'm sure lots > of people would be interested. > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Ron Parker Software Creations http://www.scbbs.com TradeWinds Publishing http://www.intl-trade.com TradePoint Los Angeles http://www.tradepointla.org SiteDirector Security Server http://livepublish.scbbs.com Civil War Online Library http://civilwar.scbbs.com From rfrancis at mindspring.com Fri Dec 14 22:27:05 2001 From: rfrancis at mindspring.com (Rick Francis) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:27:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] two instances of mailman In-Reply-To: <20011214094652.A24195@xenophon.anabasis.net> Message-ID: On 13 December 2001, Rick Francis said: > if this is true, then i could simply move /home/mailman to > /home/mailman.205, start from install of 208 and copy ~mailman/lists from > 205 to 208...did you think that is all there is to it??? Original Post: i'm running 2.0.5...i want to install 2.0.8 in a seperate directory... how to i get the lists/databases into 2.0.8 while preserving 2.0.5?? thanks. From claw at kanga.nu Fri Dec 14 23:08:56 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:08:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail/Mhonarc, archives... In-Reply-To: Message from Ron Parker of "Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:47:52 PST." <3C1A6578.8281ADD1@scbbs.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214122609.027d37f0@66.39.10.250> <20011214134928.A27412@mems-exchange.org> <3C1A6578.8281ADD1@scbbs.com> Message-ID: <14282.1008367736@kanga.nu> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:47:52 -0800 Ron Parker wrote: > I found this link which talks about using mhonarc with mailman: > http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/lists/mhonarc/may99/msg00023.html > but, it's a couple years old. My notes on using MHonArc with Mailman are already in the FAQ (have been for a couple weeks). All relevant RCs, scripts etc are publicly available. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From lovelace at wayfarer.org Fri Dec 14 23:34:45 2001 From: lovelace at wayfarer.org (Tanner Lovelace) Date: 14 Dec 2001 17:34:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain isn't in my list of rcpthosts In-Reply-To: <3C182C95.CEBE486C@scbbs.com> References: <3C182C95.CEBE486C@scbbs.com> Message-ID: <1008369286.22980.17.camel@tigger.house.wayfarer.org> The problem isn't in Mailman, it's in your qmail setup. Qmail needs to be told that localhost (and possibly your local IP address) are "OK" and it can relay mail from them. To do this, you need to set the RELAYCLIENT environment variable when qmail is run from that host. You can do this with tcp-env. In /etc/hosts.allow put this line tcp-env: 127.0.0.1 X.X.X.X : setenv RELAYCLIENT where X.X.X.X is your local IP address. Then, make sure qmail is run with tcp-env. I use xinetd and in my /etc/xinetd.d/smtp file I have these two lines: server = /usr/sbin/tcpd server_args = /var/qmail/bin/tcp-env /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd If you run inetd instead the setup should be similar. This will tell qmail it is ok to relay messages received from either 127.0.0.1 (localhost) or your local IP address. Tanner Lovelace On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 23:20, Ron Parker wrote: > Hello, > > Installed mailman 2.0.8 on Linux 7.2 system running qmail+vpopmail. > Install appeared to work. Created list "vsb". I can access list admin. > However, when a user tries to subscribe to list from web page, the user > doesn't get an e-mail back. > > Looking at the logs, I see the following (mail list is vsb on > host4.scbbs.com, user trying to subscribe is markfien at fiengroup.com): > > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.465755 20388 > 220 > host4.scbbs.com ESMTP? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.474061 20388 < ehlo > localhost.localdomain? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.474962 20388 > > 250-host4.scbbs.com? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.475458 20388 > 250-PIPELINING? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.475921 20388 > 250 8BITMIME? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.502945 20388 < mail > FROM:? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.503854 20388 > 250 ok? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.556793 20388 < rcpt > TO:? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.557763 20388 > 553 sorry, that > domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.561415 20388 < rset? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.562476 20388 > 250 flushed? > Dec 12 19:54:49 host4 smtpd: 1008215689.585977 20388 < quit? > > I don't know what I've done, configuration-wise, which is making the > system look for matching domain names in rcpthosts before sending out > mail. Here are the only config changes I've made to mm_cfg.py: > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'host4.scbbs.com' > # DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash! > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://host4.scbbs.com/mailman/' > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/pipermail' > PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private' > > HOME_PAGE = 'index.html' > MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > > MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'qmail' > > Any suggestions, please? > > -- Tanner Lovelace | lovelace at wayfarer.org | http://wtl.wayfarer.org/ --*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-- Those who are willing to sacrifice essential liberties for a little order, will lose both and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure. -- Justice Thurgood Marshall, 1989 From sysop at scbbs.com Sat Dec 15 00:23:10 2001 From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:23:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail/Mhonarc, archives... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214122609.027d37f0@66.39.10.250> <20011214134928.A27412@mems-exchange.org> <3C1A6578.8281ADD1@scbbs.com> <14282.1008367736@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3C1A89DE.9C6CEDE4@scbbs.com> Where is this FAQ? The only Mailman FAQ I see is on the Mailman Home page: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html but, no note regarding mhonarc there. In searching for this, I did locate another e-mail describing how to set up mailman/mhonarc: http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/lists/mhonarc/oct01/msg00017.html Could you let me know where that faq item is located? Thanks. -ron J C Lawrence wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:47:52 -0800 > Ron Parker wrote: > > > I found this link which talks about using mhonarc with mailman: > > http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/lists/mhonarc/may99/msg00023.html > > but, it's a couple years old. > > My notes on using MHonArc with Mailman are already in the FAQ (have > been for a couple weeks). All relevant RCs, scripts etc are > publicly available. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Ron Parker Software Creations http://www.scbbs.com TradeWinds Publishing http://www.intl-trade.com TradePoint Los Angeles http://www.tradepointla.org SiteDirector Security Server http://livepublish.scbbs.com Civil War Online Library http://civilwar.scbbs.com From dan at ssc.com Sat Dec 15 00:53:01 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:53:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail/Mhonarc, archives... In-Reply-To: <3C1A89DE.9C6CEDE4@scbbs.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214122609.027d37f0@66.39.10.250> <20011214134928.A27412@mems-exchange.org> <3C1A6578.8281ADD1@scbbs.com> <14282.1008367736@kanga.nu> <3C1A89DE.9C6CEDE4@scbbs.com> Message-ID: <20011214155301.B1559@ssc.com> On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 03:23:10PM -0800, Ron Parker wrote: > Where is this FAQ? The only Mailman FAQ I see is on the Mailman Home > page: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html > > but, no note regarding mhonarc there. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py That's a FAQ itself. There was some traffic on the list a few days ago about changing the pointer on the mailman site, but apparently that hasn't happened yet. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From sysop at scbbs.com Sat Dec 15 01:26:39 2001 From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:26:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron Jobs Message-ID: <3C1A98BF.1D85740D@scbbs.com> Just installed mailman. Working. Followed instructions for installing cron. Noticed all these cron jobs running when I do ps aux. Is this normal? If not, how can I reduce the number of these things running (taking a lot of processor resources). Thanks. 4758 ? S 0:00 CROND 4762 ? R 149:32 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 30915 ? S 0:00 CROND 30917 ? R 142:56 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 22735 ? S 0:00 CROND 22739 ? R 128:57 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 24884 ? S 0:00 CROND 24889 ? R 113:21 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 5997 ? S 0:00 CROND 5999 ? R 110:08 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 23972 ? S 0:00 CROND 23977 ? R 89:42 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 28321 ? S 0:00 CROND 28322 ? R 88:37 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner 5514 ? S 0:00 CROND 5516 ? R 62:10 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner 30438 ? S 0:00 CROND 30443 ? R 56:02 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 31936 ? S 0:00 CROND 31940 ? R 39:39 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 27838 ? S 0:00 CROND 27840 ? R 24:37 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 1616 ? S 0:00 CROND 1622 ? R 15:05 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 13496 ? S 0:00 CROND 13498 ? R 4:10 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news 24925 ? S 0:00 CROND 24927 ? R 1:37 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news -- Ron Parker Software Creations http://www.scbbs.com TradeWinds Publishing http://www.intl-trade.com TradePoint Los Angeles http://www.tradepointla.org SiteDirector Security Server http://livepublish.scbbs.com Civil War Online Library http://civilwar.scbbs.com From claw at kanga.nu Sat Dec 15 02:11:08 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:11:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail/Mhonarc, archives... In-Reply-To: Message from Ron Parker of "Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:23:10 PST." <3C1A89DE.9C6CEDE4@scbbs.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214122609.027d37f0@66.39.10.250> <20011214134928.A27412@mems-exchange.org> <3C1A6578.8281ADD1@scbbs.com> <14282.1008367736@kanga.nu> <3C1A89DE.9C6CEDE4@scbbs.com> Message-ID: <16009.1008378668@kanga.nu> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:23:10 -0800 Ron Parker wrote: > Where is this FAQ? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From benny at bennyvision.com Sat Dec 15 05:01:42 2001 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:01:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-users] Mailman refusing to send remote email In-Reply-To: <1008369286.22980.17.camel@tigger.house.wayfarer.org> Message-ID: Hello folks, I retyped the subject above from memory, so apologies if it doesn't match my original thread perfectly. I wanted to post this to the list, for the benefit of the list archives, as well as a candidate for the FAQ-O-Matic. My problem: Mailman was not sending email to any remote addresses, only to local users. My solution: QMail was not relaying from localhost. I thought it was, but I had omitted on important step. I have written up the following as an explaination of what to do if you're struggling with Mailman and QMail, and running QMail from DJB's tcpserver. The following pertains to installations running QMail from tcpserver. If you're running QMail, and you're having problems with Mailman sending remote email, perform the following test from your server: user at host$ telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 hostname.mydomain.com ESMTP (it will be waiting for input - type the following) HELO mydomain.com 250 hostname.mydomain.com (it will once again be waiting, follow with:) MAIL FROM: 250 ok (again, follow with:) RCPT TO: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) If you see the above 553 response, your QMail server will not relay from localhost. This causes big problems with Mailman. If you do _not_ see a 553 response, your problem isn't that QMail can't relay from localhost. "OK, I got a 553 when I tried that, what do I do?" Well, you need to tell tcpserver that localhost is OK to relay from. This should work for you: 1) 'cd' into /etc, and create a file called /etc/tcp.smtp, with the following contents: # Allow localhost to relay 127.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" 2) Create the database for tcpserver to use: tcprules tcp.smtp.cdb tcp.smtp.temp < tcp.smtp 3) Configure tcpserver to consult that database whenever someone establishes an SMTP session to your server by editting whatever startup script you use on your system. On my systems it is /etc/rc.local, it may be /etc/rc.d/init.d/tcpserver on yours. It's totally dependant on what OS you're running, and what style of startup scripts you're using. Ultimately, you need to start tcpserver with the following additional option: -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb 4) Restart tcpserver, and try the above localhost test again. It should reply with a "250 ok" message, instead of the "553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts" error you got before. This solved my problems. As I said before, I thought I had this nailed down, but I had simply forgotten to regenerate the tcp.smtp database. Doh. Many thanks to all the helpful folks that pointed me in the right direction. :) Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The onions are irritating my buttocks." - Sluggy Freelance 10-12-1998 From barry at zope.com Sat Dec 15 05:36:41 2001 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:36:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recent mailman security problem - fixed in 2.1prerelease? References: <20011212222450.57343.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> <200112122230.fBCMUlL30823@lart.sdsc.edu> Message-ID: <15386.54105.12421.327902@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "TP" == Tom Perrine writes: TP> Is the security problem that prompted the 2.0.8 mailman TP> release applicable to the 2.1 prerelease versions? TP> I've been running one of the 2.1 alphas, do I need to TP> upgrade/sidegrade? You're fine if you run the cvs version, but 2.1 alpha 3 is still vulnerable. -Barry From lrosa at venus.it Sat Dec 15 12:34:06 2001 From: lrosa at venus.it (Luigi Rosa) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:34:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HOWTO: Change the footer (and other settings) via command line Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011215122753.023d45f0@mail.venus.it> Hoping that someone is intereresd in changing some settings of a list via command line, I post this micro-HOWTO. I wish to thank Tjalling Kikkert for his help in solving this issue. FILE xmf.py (put it in Mailman/bin) import sys import string def xmf(mlist): fp = open( '/tmp/zz' ) newfooter = fp.read() fp.close() mlist.msg_footer = newfooter mlist.Save() This file reads the content of /tmp/zz and store it in the footer of a list. I tried to read the stdin, but the system added some nasty characters and I didn't want to filter them out. To change the footer you must create the /tmp/zz file, and then issue the command /home/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r xmf [maillistname] For the amusement of my friends, I have cron-ed each hour this command: echo "-- " > /tmp/zz /usr/games/fortune >> /tmp/zz /home/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r xmf x-[mylistname] rm -f /tmp/zz Hope it helps. Ciao, luigi -- +----[Luigi Rosa]- +--[lrosa at venus.it]--[lrosa at fantascienza.com]- +--[Integrated Networking Solutions S.a.s. - Milan - Italy]- + +--[Non Multa, Sed Multum]- From camel at lrllamas.com Fri Dec 14 13:22:39 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S.Curtis) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:22:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail to posfix - stumped - less so now In-Reply-To: <20011214101453.B1238@freemail.hu> References: <20011213184358.B305380DA@camel.lrllamas.com> <20011214101453.B1238@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <20011214122239.D9A2180DA@camel.lrllamas.com> {{ please add your message to the FAQ - you have a reak knack for making it simple}} This has gotten me alot closer to "working" - just suffering from a total cranial failure. Now I'm getting the broken exec script - even after running check_perms - f. this is the message: >> : Command died with status 2: ? ? "/var/www/mailman/mail/wrapper post camelid". Command output: Failure to ? ? exec script. WANTED gid 501, GOT gid 99. ?(Reconfigure to take 99?) >> Now 501 is 'mailman' and 99 is 'noboddy' What did I miss ?? Also, tell me more about 2.1 - I have the source code (2.1b3) and it's quirks My list subscribers are dying for the topics function - I had no luck getting it to work the first time I installed it. On Friday 14 December 2001 04:14 am, Szilard Vizi wrote: > Hello, > > Camel - Jay S . Curtis writes: > > Well, nothing is ever as easy as it seems... > > Anyone have any wisdom on completing the mailman > > conversion from sendmail to postfix? <> -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From camel at lrllamas.com Fri Dec 14 14:53:24 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S.Curtis) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:53:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail to posfix - stumped - less so now References: <20011213184358.B305380DA@camel.lrllamas.com> <20011214101453.B1238@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <20011214135325.1770A81A4@camel.lrllamas.com> > {{ please add your message to the FAQ - you have a reak knack for making it > simple}} > > This has gotten me alot closer to "working" - just suffering from a total > cranial failure. Now I'm getting the broken exec script - even after > running check_perms - f. this is the message: > > : Command died with status 2: > ? ? "/var/www/mailman/mail/wrapper post camelid". Command output: Failure > to exec script. WANTED gid 501, GOT gid 99. ?(Reconfigure to take 99?) > > Now 501 is 'mailman' > and 99 is 'noboddy' > > What did I miss ?? > > Also, tell me more about 2.1 - I have the source code (2.1b3) and it's > quirks My list subscribers are dying for the topics function - I had no > luck getting it to work the first time I installed it. > > On Friday 14 December 2001 04:14 am, Szilard Vizi wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Camel - Jay S . Curtis writes: > > > Well, nothing is ever as easy as it seems... > > > Anyone have any wisdom on completing the mailman > > > conversion from sendmail to postfix? > > <> -- Jay S. Curtis From xnoellardin at sopragroup.com Fri Dec 14 16:32:23 2001 From: xnoellardin at sopragroup.com (Xavier NOEL-LARDIN) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:32:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header ?????? Message-ID: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE7AA@exchange.an.sopra> Hi, I have installed mailman few weeks ago, and it's a great product. I have a question about smtp header. When I receive a message and i look the header, i don't appear in recipient ! How it's possible ? How the server send in my mailbox the message. without my adress in yhe header ? Is there a hidden header. or a smtp solution which doesn't appear in the hearder? Thanks in advance Regards, Xavier NOEL-LARDIN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011214/0f280d10/attachment.html From thomas at urgent.rug.ac.be Fri Dec 14 20:38:41 2001 From: thomas at urgent.rug.ac.be (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:38:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman newbie trouble Message-ID: Hi, I installed mailman 2.0.8, not for use as a discussion list, but as an announcement lists. The server runs Linux with qmail. My problem is simple: mailman doesn't queue messages to qmail that are supposed to be delivered to other domains. So, let's consider my server, called morse, fullname morse.mydomain.org, and some more background information. It accepts mail for the domain mydomain.org and forwards it to another mailserver (einstein.mydomain.org) where users locally read their mail. It also sends mail on behalf of those users. Now, when I accept my message for posting to this list, the post gets delivered to all the users of mydomain.org, but none get delivered to users of other (external) domains. I don't think qmail is to blame because qmail isn't even receiving the mails to send on. To make sure, I have tried sending outbound mail from the mailman account (using pine) and that works. The logs of mailman also show that mails bounce, but not why. Now my question is : * how can I gather more debug output to know what is going on ? * does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this ? I've been trying things all day but I can't get any further... Thanks, Thomas The Dave/Dina Project : future TV today ! - http://davedina.apestaart.org/ <-*- -*-> I work all day and I won't fight when it feels right then it's wrong now the fireworks in me are all gone <-*- thomas at apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ From jason at prismatix.com Sat Dec 15 02:33:35 2001 From: jason at prismatix.com (Jason Bobier) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:33:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug: subscribe.py et al. produce bad html Message-ID: Hey there, Look at the html produced by subscribe.py it looks like: <MM-List-Name> Subscription results

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I don't know anything about the code of mailman or python, but it looks like the problem is that doc = Document() rather than doc = HeadlessDocument(). I think that the problem exists on a couple of other generated pages too. Thanx, Jason -- Jason A. Bobier jason at prismatix.com Tech Lead, PGP Macintosh Products http://www.prismatix.com/ Network Associates, Inc. Nothing's constant PGPKey: Fingerprint: 7809 7E6E BCCA 903D 4618 9740 EB10 9DF9 F6F8 3318 From mi at alma.ch Sun Dec 16 12:49:46 2001 From: mi at alma.ch (Milivoj Ivkovic) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:49:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] silent removal? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011216124727.0323bae0@net1.alma.local> Is it possible to remove a list member silently (without a removal-confirmation message sent to the member)? Thanks. From Berean at C-Squad.org Sun Dec 16 23:18:33 2001 From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:18:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing vacation autoresponder mail bombs Message-ID: Ha a problem recently where someone used a vacation autoresponder without setting their subscription to nomail. That went over big :D Is there any workaround in Mailman to prevent this from happening again? The members want the Reply-To setting set for the list, so I dont want to set a reply to that goes to personal members. Im hoping there's a possible solution, modifying sendmail settings or something. Thanks for any help! Frank From marc_news at vasoftware.com Sun Dec 16 23:39:35 2001 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:39:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing vacation autoresponder mail bombs In-Reply-To: ; from Berean@C-Squad.org on Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 05:18:33PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20011216143935.M8633@magic.merlins.org> On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 05:18:33PM -0500, The Berean wrote: > Is there any workaround in Mailman to prevent this from happening again? Yes, ban the domain the autoreponder came from if it's from the MTA, or ban the Email it came from if it's a home cooked script. Unfortunately, there isn't much more you can do with broken autoresponders. > The members want the Reply-To setting set for the list, so I dont want to Sometimes what your members want is not as relevant as to what the best setting is. I personally tell them that they can't have reply-to munging, and that there are lots of reasons why: http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html (contains a copy of an old post I made on this list about this topic) > set a reply to that goes to personal members. Im hoping there's a possible > solution, modifying sendmail settings or something. Thanks for any help! You can always put some logic to refuse more than x posts from a certain Email per unit of time, or compute CRCs on messages that you are getting and refusing messages you already got, but it'll be hard to implement and tune, and won't be foolproof. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Dec 17 00:02:02 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:02:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing vacation autoresponder mail bombs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/16/01 2:18 PM, "The Berean" wrote: > Is there any workaround in Mailman to prevent this from happening again? Shoot anyone who does it, preferably in public, preferably in the virtual kneecaps, to convince all of your othre users not to be so stupid. A misbehaving or badly written mailbot is not something ANYONE can protect themselves from, because, by definition, they don't follow the rules people can use to protect themselves from these things. > The members want the Reply-To setting set for the list When you set reply-to to the list, you light the fuse on the time-bomb of a mailing list being hit by a stupid mailbot. The only question is how long the fuse is, not whether it's lit. that's your first problem, because you're telling all those mailbots to bomb the list. From kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at Mon Dec 17 10:19:24 2001 From: kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at (Dipl.-Ing. Edith Kemeny) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:19:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011217101913.00b1c520@pc6064.mos.siemens.at> Hi! I did not encount an error and this is no error report. I have a following problem, can you help me, or can you tell me, how can help me? I have a list created. Listname: testlist If I send a mail to 'testlist-request at pcc101.mos.siemens.at' or to 'testlist at pcc101.mos.siemens.at' with subject "help" or with body content "confirm xxxxxx" I always get the following anser: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist"... User unknown or the following error: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; pcc101.mos.siemens.at Received-From-MTA: DNS; scesie13.sie.siemens.at Arrival-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:14:26 +0100 What should I do, what is wrong? Thank you for your help. Best Regards DI Edith Kemeny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011217/a4f2b6be/attachment.htm From hicking at du.gtn.com Mon Dec 17 13:22:00 2001 From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:22:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie: How to dissallove posting to lists Message-ID: <3C1DF178.26315.52AA6601@localhost> Hi I'm new to mailman. So bear with me if this is a too simpel question ;-) I could find anything in the docs. How can I set up an "announcement only" mailing list? That is: No subscriber is to be allowed to post to the list (postings, if possible, should be answered with an appropriate message) Only the listadmin (or, better, a different, selected person) should be able to post to the list. Preferedly using a web page. Could anyone hint me in the right direction? TIA, Marcel -- __ .? `. : :' ! Enjoy `. `? Debian/GNU Linux `- From KUJALA at jylk.jyu.fi Mon Dec 17 13:50:17 2001 From: KUJALA at jylk.jyu.fi (Osmo Kujala) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:50:17 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating to different architechture Message-ID: <01KBZ8MYGG4E90MT6Y@jylk.jyu.fi> Hi We are going to transfer ~300 Mailman lists from Linux/Intel to Linux/Alpha. I guess bata base files are 32/64bit sensitive? What would be the easiest way to do the transfer? (Our current version is version 2.0beta5) regards Osmo Kujala From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Dec 17 14:56:19 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:56:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie: How to dissallove posting to lists In-Reply-To: <3C1DF178.26315.52AA6601@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011217134951.03a6b2e0@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 13:22 17/12/2001 +0100, Marcel Hicking wrote: >Hi > >I'm new to mailman. So bear with me if this is a too >simpel question ;-) I could find anything in the docs. > >How can I set up an "announcement only" mailing list? >That is: No subscriber is to be allowed to post to the >list (postings, if possible, should be answered with an >appropriate message) > >Only the listadmin (or, better, a different, selected >person) should be able to post to the list. Preferedly >using a web page. > >Could anyone hint me in the right direction? > >TIA, >Marcel >-- You can do this using the General posting filters on the Privacy Options page of the list admin web GUI for the list concerned. Set member_posting_only to No and put the e-mail address(es) of whoever is to be allowed to post to the list in the posters field. A post from anyone else get referred to the admin. From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 17 16:18:45 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:18:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron Jobs In-Reply-To: <3C1A98BF.1D85740D@scbbs.com> References: <3C1A98BF.1D85740D@scbbs.com> Message-ID: <20011217101845.A19470@mems-exchange.org> On 14 December 2001, Ron Parker said: > Just installed mailman. Working. Followed instructions for installing > cron. Noticed all these cron jobs running when I do ps aux. Is this > normal? If not, how can I reduce the number of these things running > (taking a lot of processor resources). Thanks. [...snipped ps output with lots of gate_news and qrunner jobs running after consuming many tens of minutes of CPU time...] No, that most certainly is *not* normal Mailman behaviour. Which OS, Python version, and MTA are you using? AFAIK, it should be safe to kill all those gate_news and qrunner processes. Also, if you're not using Mailman's mail-to-news gateway feature, you don't need to run the gate_news cron job at all -- you can just comment it out of your crontab. However, as anyone who has read this list for more than 3 days knows, Mailman fails completely if you don't run qrunner frequently (like every minute). So you can't disable that cron job. What I would do is this: * disable the qrunner job temporarily * send a message to your test list * as the "mailman" user, run qrunner manually -- eg. just copy and paste the commented-out command line from your crontab. See what happens. * re-enable the cron job, send another message to test, and wait for the next minute to roll around and qrunner to run -- see what happens. (Does it empty the queue and move on, or sit there sucking up CPU?) Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 17 16:39:12 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:39:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating to different architechture In-Reply-To: <01KBZ8MYGG4E90MT6Y@jylk.jyu.fi> References: <01KBZ8MYGG4E90MT6Y@jylk.jyu.fi> Message-ID: <20011217103912.B19470@mems-exchange.org> On 17 December 2001, Osmo Kujala said: > We are going to transfer ~300 Mailman lists from Linux/Intel > to Linux/Alpha. I guess bata base files are 32/64bit sensitive? Mailman's config.db files are in Python's "marshal" format, which is platform-neutral but could theoretically change across Python versions. (I did a quick test a few weeks ago, and the same config.db worked with Python 1.5.2, 2.0, 2.1, and the not-yet-released 2.2 -- so I wouldn't worry about it.) > What would be the easiest way to do the transfer? > (Our current version is version 2.0beta5) Choose your poison: tar, cpio cp, rsync, scp, ... whatever works for you. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Dec 17 16:44:52 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:44:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header ?????? In-Reply-To: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE7AA@exchange.an.sopra> References: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE7AA@exchange.an.sopra> Message-ID: <20011217104452.C19470@mems-exchange.org> On 14 December 2001, Xavier NOEL-LARDIN said: > I have installed mailman few weeks ago, and it's a great product. > I have a question about smtp header. ^^^^^^^^^^^ There's no such thing as an SMTP header. There is an SMTP conversation and an RFC 2822 header. > When I receive a message and i look the header, i don't appear in > recipient ! How it's possible ? You need to learn how Internet email works. Hint: there's more to it than the RFC 2822 header, which is what you see in your MUA. There have been several books published on this in the last year or so; look for titles like "Programming Internet Email" for starters. Or you could go read RFCs 2821 and 2822, but RFCs are not tutorials. > Is there a hidden header. or a smtp solution which doesn't appear in the > hearder? You're on the right track: SMTP is most certainly involved. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From poper at fedro.ugr.es Mon Dec 17 17:19:29 2001 From: poper at fedro.ugr.es (Antonio M / PoPeR) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:19:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem trying to delete a mailing list in Cpanel, please help! Message-ID: <003401c18716$9c4e6c20$d511d696@poper> Hi all, My host provider preinstalled Mailman with CPanel/WHM server controller, I'm a newbie so I did this mistake: I have tried to create a mailing list, so I have used 'pop-page' as the list name. I have noticed since I did that I can't receive any e-mail sent to pop-page at pop-page.net, which is the main pop account of my site. I think the cause of this is that pop-page at pop-page.net is now being used by the mailing list. So I've tried to delete the list, but I can't. I get this message: ------- List Deleted The list pop-page at pop-page.net was successfully deleted. Remove the components of a mailing list with impunity - beware! This removes (almost) all traces of a mailing list. By default, the lists archives are not removed, which is very handy for retiring old lists. Usage: rmlist [-a] [-h] listname Where: --archives -a remove the lists archives too --help -h print this help message and exit List does not exist: "poppage_pop-page.net" -------- Although in the line it says 'the list was successfully deleted' when I go back to the mailing list maintenance, the list is still there. I think it can't be deleted because it's my main pop account, but, at the same time, I can't use this account because it's used by the mailing list!, so could you help me, please? I want to delete the mailing list in order to use the pop account. Thanks in advance Kind regards, Antonio J. Martinez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011217/b77d063a/attachment.html From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Mon Dec 17 18:01:27 2001 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:01:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] similar problem... Message-ID: <20011217170127.22768.qmail@web14901.mail.yahoo.com> Well, in fact i have a similar problem, i have a mailing list where just the subscribers be allow to post (all of them are user1 at mail.com, user2 at mail.com,user3 at mail.com... except one user included in the list usern at mylist.mail.com who can?t post and his posters are send to the administrator to be approval of course i don?t want to receive those messages, i want to that user could post without that filter....what can i do????? Thanks!!!! At 13:22 17/12/2001 +0100, Marcel Hicking wrote: >Hi > >I'm new to mailman. So bear with me if this is a too >simpel question ;-) I could find anything in the docs. > >How can I set up an "announcement only" mailing list? >That is: No subscriber is to be allowed to post to the >list (postings, if possible, should be answered with an >appropriate message) > >Only the listadmin (or, better, a different, selected >person) should be able to post to the list. Preferedly >using a web page. > >Could anyone hint me in the right direction? > >TIA, >Marcel >-- You can do this using the General posting filters on the Privacy Options page of the list admin web GUI for the list concerned. Set member_posting_only to No and put the e-mail address(es) of whoever is to be allowed to post to the list in the posters field. A post from anyone else get referred to the admin. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Dec 17 19:06:36 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:06:36 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] similar problem... In-Reply-To: <20011217170127.22768.qmail@web14901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011217174312.038c4be0@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 11:01 17/12/2001 -0600, Alex Sammons wrote: >Well, in fact i have a similar problem, i have a >mailing list where just the subscribers be allow to >post (all of them are user1 at mail.com, >user2 at mail.com,user3 at mail.com... except one user >included in the list usern at mylist.mail.com who can?t >post and his posters are send to the administrator to >be approval of course i don?t want to receive those >messages, i want to that user could post without that >filter....what can i do????? > >Thanks!!!! You do not say what how you are applying your posting restrictions for the list or indicate why you think this single user's posts are going via the admin. Assuming you are using MM 2.0.X Set moderated to No, member_posting_only to Yes and leave the posters field empty on the Privacy Options page of the list admin web GUI for the list concerned. This should let all the list's members post to the list without going via the admin, regardless of the domains of their e-mail addresses. Non-subscriber postings to the list will go to the admin as will any others qualified by your Spam-specific filters etc. >At 13:22 17/12/2001 +0100, Marcel Hicking wrote: > >Hi > > > >I'm new to mailman. So bear with me if this is a too > >simpel question ;-) I could find anything in the >docs. > > > >How can I set up an "announcement only" mailing list? > >That is: No subscriber is to be allowed to post to >the > >list (postings, if possible, should be answered with >an > >appropriate message) > > > >Only the listadmin (or, better, a different, selected > >person) should be able to post to the list. >Preferedly > >using a web page. > > > >Could anyone hint me in the right direction? > > > >TIA, > >Marcel > >-- > >You can do this using the General posting filters on >the Privacy >Options >page of the list admin web GUI for the list concerned. > >Set member_posting_only to No and put the e-mail >address(es) of whoever >is >to be allowed to post to the list in the posters >field. A post from >anyone >else get referred to the admin. > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From cwieland at uci.edu Mon Dec 17 19:57:02 2001 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:57:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list owners Message-ID: Happy Holidays Does anyone have a script to get a list of all the list owners. I want to make a list-owners list to use for announcements and updates. Thanks in advance. Con From mi at alma.ch Mon Dec 17 20:39:01 2001 From: mi at alma.ch (Milivoj Ivkovic) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:39:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header ?????? In-Reply-To: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE7AA@exchange.an.sopra> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011217201841.032b7240@net1.alma.local> >When I receive a message and i look the header, i don't appear in >recipient ! How it's possible ? >How the server send in my mailbox the message& without my adress in yhe >header ? >Is there a hidden header& or a smtp solution which doesn't appear in the >hearder? The To: headers are not used by the mail server to send mail. The conversation between a client and a server goes something like this (S: = server responses, C: = client commands): # telnet localhost 25 S:< 220 net1.alma.ch ESMTP Postfix C:> HELO localhost S:< 250 net1.alma.ch C:> mail from: S:< 250 Ok C:> rcpt to: S:< 250 Ok C:> rcpt to: S:< 250 Ok C:> data S:< 354 End data with . Now is when the client sends all headers, followed by an empty line and the body of the message. The To: and From: headers here (which will appear in the receiving mailer) can be anything, including completely bogus (often done by spammers). The server really send the mail to the recipients given in the "Rcpt to:" commands, and completely ignores the To: header which is just part of the Data stream. SMTP servers answer on port 25, so you can read the SMTP RFCs (822 and/or 2822) and play with your server through telnet if you are interested. Hope this helps. From gfieldus at csu.edu.au Mon Dec 17 23:38:47 2001 From: gfieldus at csu.edu.au (Fieldus, Glenn) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:38:47 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manually Setting Subscriber Passwords Message-ID: <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA014CD203@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au> Hello Everybody, My apologies if this question has been asked before. I have searched the archives and found nothing useful. Our University has adopted a 'single sign-on' authentication process for our staff and students, where each may access a variety of services (NT Domain, Proxy, Mail, various web services etc) with one username and password for each user. They are required to periodically change their passwords in order to have continued access to these services. I have been asked to explore whether Mailman (v2.0.6) can be configured to set a defined password for each subscriber, in line with our single sign-on implementation. Is this possible? Our subject lists are created automatically at the start of each semester, and students are required to be subscribed to the list for the duration of their enrollment in the subject. What needs to happen is that when a user changes their password, their Mailman password needs to change accordingly. Without going into the pros and cons of single sign-on authentication, (I don't get paid to make the decisions, I just carry them out), I am looking for a script that will perform the required change. I have established that Mailman uses a Python database of some description. I'm not fluent in Python however, and to avoid re-inventing the wheel, can I ask if anyone has knocked up a script that can do what I'm after? Thanks and Regards, Division of Information Technology Glenn Fieldus Charles Sturt University Systems Admin NSW Australia _________________________________________________ ..the trouble with life is, there is no background music. From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 17 23:58:55 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:58:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manually Setting Subscriber Passwords In-Reply-To: Message from "Fieldus, Glenn" of "Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:38:47 +1100." <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA014CD203@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au> References: <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA014CD203@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au> Message-ID: <17783.1008629935@kanga.nu> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:38:47 +1100 Glenn Fieldus wrote: > I have been asked to explore whether Mailman (v2.0.6) can be > configured to set a defined password for each subscriber, in line > with our single sign-on implementation. Is this possible? This is possible, if painful, under Mailman 2.0.* (you'll have to write some custom with_list scripts to handle the updates, and then also disable the PW change fields from the web UI). Instead I'd recommend looking to Mailman 2.1.* along with an external data store (eg SQL or LDAP) for your membership rolls. Much simpler, much cleaner, fewer/no synchronisation problems. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From moseleymm at hank.org Tue Dec 18 00:27:51 2001 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:27:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list & security Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011217152751.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> To setup an announce-only list, you add the people that can send to "posters": If member_posting_only is 'no', then only the posters listed here will be able to post without admin approval What options are available to prevent spoofing one of those addresses? I know I can set Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields) Is there anything else? I suppose it would it be safer to approve all requests and then when sending out an announcement approve my own messages. I used a list manager a while back where you could add "approve: password" to the body of the message to all posting of that message. But, of course, you type "aprove" by mistake and then there's your password sent to everyone. I wonder if for announce only lists it would be a good idea to have a form-based method to send the email (just a little more secure than SMTP). Another nice feature for announce only lists would be to bounce/drop all mail sent to the list *except* a few listed addresses. The to add security, set the list to require approval for those messages. Any of that make sense? Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From moseleymm at hank.org Tue Dec 18 00:32:39 2001 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:32:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> Someone posted a few days or so ago asking about list sizes. Was there any response to that query? I've got a list of about 11,000 currently on Solaris/Sendmail/listproc that I'm thinking of moving to Linux/(qmail|Postfix)/mailman. Only one message a week is sent. Anyone running a list that big on Mailman? Any special setup required? Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From cewatts at frontier.net Tue Dec 18 00:44:15 2001 From: cewatts at frontier.net (Charlie Watts) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:44:15 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Bill Moseley wrote: > Someone posted a few days or so ago asking about list sizes. Was there any > response to that query? > > I've got a list of about 11,000 currently on Solaris/Sendmail/listproc that > I'm thinking of moving to Linux/(qmail|Postfix)/mailman. Only one message > a week is sent. > > Anyone running a list that big on Mailman? Any special setup required? Sure, one of my lists is that big. Nothing fancy required. If you want it to go fast, make sure your mail server if set up to handle whatever sort of volume you are looking for. I think some folks here have -much- bigger lists ... -- Charlie Watts cewatts at frontier.net Frontier Internet, Inc. http://www.frontier.net/ From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Dec 18 00:54:56 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:54:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: On 12/17/01 3:32 PM, "Bill Moseley" wrote: > I've got a list of about 11,000 currently on Solaris/Sendmail/listproc that > I'm thinking of moving to Linux/(qmail|Postfix)/mailman. Only one message > a week is sent. > > Anyone running a list that big on Mailman? Any special setup required? Yes. No. Make sure you have your MTA tuned well, especially with DNS lookups on accept turned off. And realize that it's going to take some time, and with mailman single-threaded in 2.0.x, while it's delivering, all the other lists will wait. But it works fine on my E250/sendamil box. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Dec 18 01:26:51 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:26:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: Message from Bill Moseley of "Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:32:39 PST." <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: <18527.1008635211@kanga.nu> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:32:39 -0800 Bill Moseley wrote: > Someone posted a few days or so ago asking about list sizes. Was > there any response to that query? Yup, and its already in the FAQ. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From moseleymm at hank.org Tue Dec 18 02:22:37 2001 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:22:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <18527.1008635211@kanga.nu> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> At 04:26 PM 12/17/01 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: >On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:32:39 -0800 >Bill Moseley wrote: > >> Someone posted a few days or so ago asking about list sizes. Was >> there any response to that query? > >Yup, and its already in the FAQ. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp Now, anyone available to fill in the blanks for qmail or Postfix tuning? > >-- >J C Lawrence >---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. >claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? >http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From dan at ssc.com Tue Dec 18 03:01:56 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:01:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: <20011217180156.A21975@ssc.com> On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 05:22:37PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: > At 04:26 PM 12/17/01 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: > >On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:32:39 -0800 > >Bill Moseley wrote: > > > >> Someone posted a few days or so ago asking about list sizes. Was > >> there any response to that query? > > > >Yup, and its already in the FAQ. > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.015.htp > > Now, anyone available to fill in the blanks for qmail or Postfix tuning? I'll try to start that ball rolling. As lists get larger, Postfix delivery with out-of-the box configuration really slows down. The bottlenecks I've found are queue length and number of SMTP processes, both of which default to values too small for large lists. I began noticing pretty severe rate limiting at about 10,000 deliveries on a list. To get the number of SMTP processes up, change "default_process_limit" in main.cf. default_process_limit = 150 gave results I could live with. There's an active message queue which also became a sticky wicket for us. Two limits which affect this, and the values I arrived at by experiment are: qmgr_message_active_limit = 40000 qmgr_message_recipient_limit = 40000 Default on both of these is 1000, as of the Postfix version I initially installed. The comments in the config file say: # The qmgr_message_active_limit parameter limits the number of # messages in the active queue. # The qmgr_message_recipient_limit parameter limits the number of # in-memory recipients. This parameter also limits the size of the # short-term, in-memory destination status cache. With these changes in place, a K6-350 with 128M RAM delivers messages averaging perhaps 3K over a medium-speed DSL, without entirely saturating the DSL, at load average below 2.0, without impinging on swap. It'll reach 20,000 recipients in a couple of hours. Another common recommendation with Postfix is to set disable_dns_lookups = yes a measure others have reported favorably on, but which I have not yet tried. After changing parameters in main.cf, run "postfix reload" then look at the process table to see if the postfix processes are running, and how many smtp processes are working at it. mailq gives a report of what's in process and is a great help in tuning. A crude index of what's out there is mailq | grep '^[A-Z0-9]' | wc -l and variations. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From claw at kanga.nu Tue Dec 18 03:39:54 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:39:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Wilder of "Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:01:56 PST." <20011217180156.A21975@ssc.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <20011217180156.A21975@ssc.com> Message-ID: <19247.1008643194@kanga.nu> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:01:56 -0800 Dan Wilder wrote: > With these changes in place, a K6-350 with 128M RAM delivers > messages averaging perhaps 3K over a medium-speed DSL, without > entirely saturating the DSL, at load average below 2.0, without > impinging on swap. It'll reach 20,000 recipients in a couple of > hours. Without those changes in place (more exctly, using the Debian/Linux defaults) a Dual PII-333 on the end of a Tier 2 T3 has regularly sustained just under 1,400 deliveries (to target MX) per minute for me. While I've not maintained that level for more than single digit minutes (not enough traffic) that sums to 80K messages per hour. I've been happy enough with those numbers for the box in question that I haven't looked further. And no, it doesn't even begin to saturate available b/w. > disable_dns_lookups = yes I do have this set. I also have a local copy of BIND 9 listening on localhost only. > mailq FWVLIW I typically have between 1,500 and 2K messages in my queue on that machine (my hobby box), all for slow/down MXes. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Dec 18 05:31:31 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:31:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Manually Setting Subscriber Passwords In-Reply-To: <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA014CD203@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au> References: <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA014CD203@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au> Message-ID: <01121723313105.01001@anncons.nc.rr.com> On Monday 17 December 2001 17:38, Fieldus, Glenn wrote: > Our subject lists are created automatically at the start of each > semester, and students are required to be subscribed to the list for the > duration of their enrollment in the subject. What needs to happen is that > when a user changes their password, their Mailman password needs to > change accordingly. Without going into the pros and cons of single > sign-on authentication, (I don't get paid to make the decisions, I just > carry them out), I am looking for a script that will perform the required > change. It sounds like the user is going to be subscribed automatically to the subject... and not allowed to unsubscribe. If that is the case, then who the heck cares what their MM password is? Assign each list some obscure password and as you add each user, use that password (or let MM create a random one for each user). Don't mail the passwords out to folks. Create your own interface to allow the users to manipulate their mail accounts allowing the only choice I'm sure you want them to have: digest or regular mail Use as authentication the users one password. In the background, pass any changes on to Mailman using the secret password of the list (or even just the admin password for the list). You'll have to do a little work setting up your cgi, but its all fairly simple (especially if you use the exec option and just script it...). Good Luck - Jon Carnes From dan at ssc.com Tue Dec 18 05:33:23 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:33:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <19247.1008643194@kanga.nu> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <20011217180156.A21975@ssc.com> <19247.1008643194@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20011217203323.A23359@ssc.com> On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 06:39:54PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:01:56 -0800 > Dan Wilder wrote: > > > With these changes in place, a K6-350 with 128M RAM delivers > > messages averaging perhaps 3K over a medium-speed DSL, without > > entirely saturating the DSL, at load average below 2.0, without > > impinging on swap. It'll reach 20,000 recipients in a couple of > > hours. > > Without those changes in place (more exctly, using the Debian/Linux > defaults) a Dual PII-333 on the end of a Tier 2 T3 has regularly > sustained just under 1,400 deliveries (to target MX) per minute for > me. While I've not maintained that level for more than single digit > minutes (not enough traffic) that sums to 80K messages per hour. > I've been happy enough with those numbers for the box in question > that I haven't looked further. I began to see signs of thrashing some place between a couple of thousand recipients, and 10,000. There was what appeared to be a phase transition of sorts, above which waits began to predominate and I believe delivery rate may have even gone down. I'm not getting anything like 1400 deliveries/minute (I don't think). I'll try measuring delivery rate during this week's large announce-lists posting, then next week set disable_dns_lookups and see what change there may be. The DSL does get to be pretty much of a nuisance to run vi on over an ssh connection, when the list mail is going out. The local copy of BIND is something I'd neglected to mention. We use split DNS, with internal copies of BIND claiming to be definitive for our domain, forwarding queries with respect to other domains outside. The mailing list server does auxilliary duty as second internal MX server, so there's a copy of BIND running on it, as well as Postfix/Mailman. It looks to itself first for all name resolution. > And no, it doesn't even begin to saturate available b/w. > > > disable_dns_lookups = yes > > I do have this set. I also have a local copy of BIND 9 listening on > localhost only. > > > mailq > > FWVLIW I typically have between 1,500 and 2K messages in my queue on > that machine (my hobby box), all for slow/down MXes. > Things look a lot like that for a while after an announce list posting here, too. I only try to measure delivery rate while the list server is still running 150 smtp processes. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From alex at phred.org Tue Dec 18 06:05:19 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:05:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <20011217203323.A23359@ssc.com> Message-ID: <20011217205822.W32391-100000@phred.org> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Dan Wilder wrote: > The DSL does get to be pretty much of a nuisance to run vi on > over an ssh connection, when the list mail is going out. I used to have issues with this, but my solution was to turn on dummynet (http://cs.baylor.edu/~donahoo/tools/dummy/) on my firewall and limit SMTP to use half of my outbound bandwidth (I get 256kbps, SMTP gets 128kbps of that). Interactive sessions are a lot more pleasant to work with now. I know a lot more about Windows SMTP server than Postfix, but outbound delivery rate on machines is generally limited by the number of io's per second that a disk can do. If you want to saturate a fast link with small messages you'll probably need to stripe your queue/spool directory across multiple disks. Performance on the Windows SMTP stack will also greatly improve if you increase the rcpt to batching that Mailman uses. On many Unix MTAs that will slow you down, because the MTA can't send the same message to multiple destinations at the same time. My Mailman configuration uses Unix for running Mailman, and Windows 2000 SMTP Server for outbound email. I doubt many (if any) other people are using this configuration, but if people are interested in more detail on configuring Windows 2000 SMTP for maximum performance I can help out quite a bit. alex From claw at kanga.nu Tue Dec 18 07:36:09 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:36:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Wilder of "Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:33:23 PST." <20011217203323.A23359@ssc.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <20011217180156.A21975@ssc.com> <19247.1008643194@kanga.nu> <20011217203323.A23359@ssc.com> Message-ID: <20499.1008657369@kanga.nu> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:33:23 -0800 Dan Wilder wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 06:39:54PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:01:56 -0800 Dan Wilder >> wrote: >> Without those changes in place (more exctly, using the >> Debian/Linux defaults) a Dual PII-333 on the end of a Tier 2 T3 >> has regularly sustained just under 1,400 deliveries (to target >> MX) per minute for me. While I've not maintained that level for >> more than single digit minutes (not enough traffic) that sums to >> 80K messages per hour. I've been happy enough with those numbers >> for the box in question that I haven't looked further. > I began to see signs of thrashing some place between a couple of > thousand recipients, and 10,000. There was what appeared to be a > phase transition of sorts, above which waits began to predominate > and I believe delivery rate may have even gone down. The largest load I've thrown on that box was 10K spool entries with 50K RCPT TOs. A more typical load is 3K spool entries and 15K RCPT TOs from a single qrunner dump. (Yeah, I do 5 per on RCPT TOs and I hand moderate in messages in batches) At those levels I've not noticed any thrashing. > I'm not getting anything like 1400 deliveries/minute (I don't > think). A typical average for me (given that the box also does web duty and a bunch of other bits) is ~700 per minute (40K per hour), but that's when the spool is well stuffed with dead mail, PostgresQL is getting hit via Apache from other quarters, etc. 1,400/minute is more typical when running off a fairly clean slate with a pre-stuffed DNS cache. > I'll try measuring delivery rate during this week's large > announce-lists posting, then next week set disable_dns_lookups and > see what change there may be. Cool. BTW: I like David Schweikert's MailGraph tool for Postfix stat collection/graphing . Quite sweet if rather CPU intensive. http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~dws/software/mailgraph/ > The DSL does get to be pretty much of a nuisance to run vi on over > an ssh connection, when the list mail is going out. Hehn. I tend to SSH in to the firewall, then SSH to the target box with X11 forwarding turned on all the way so I can run XEmacs on the target and have it display locally... -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Dec 18 07:37:20 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:37:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: Message from alex wetmore of "Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:05:19 PST." <20011217205822.W32391-100000@phred.org> References: <20011217205822.W32391-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <20509.1008657440@kanga.nu> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:05:19 -0800 (PST) alex wetmore wrote: > My Mailman configuration uses Unix for running Mailman, and > Windows 2000 SMTP Server for outbound email. I doubt many (if > any) other people are using this configuration, but if people are > interested in more detail on configuring Windows 2000 SMTP for > maximum performance I can help out quite a bit. Why not add that data to the FAQ? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From msivakum at npd.hcltech.com Tue Dec 18 11:47:14 2001 From: msivakum at npd.hcltech.com (Mohana Sundaram) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:17:14 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archieving MIME format messages. Message-ID: <024d01c187b1$5bb56420$4464a8c0@hcltech.com> Hi all, I have a problem in archieving messages posted to the list in HTML format using a POP3 client. I have pasted the diplay below. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C187B3.70E0C900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C187B3.70E0C900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C187B3.70E0C900- - But if I select plain text option while posting it is archieving properly. Please help me in resolving this. Thanks, - Mohan. From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Tue Dec 18 12:00:46 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 18 Dec 2001 11:00:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <20011217203323.A23359@ssc.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <20011217180156.A21975@ssc.com> <19247.1008643194@kanga.nu> <20011217203323.A23359@ssc.com> Message-ID: <1008673247.9471.17.camel@gaspode.localnet> Dan, Have stolen your messages almost verbatim and put them into the postfix tuning part of the FAQ. [I'm currently aiming to get content on there - someone or even me can clean these up later] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.004.htp -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Tue Dec 18 13:16:20 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:16:20 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mails are not being posted to registered Subscribers In-Reply-To: <20509.1008657440@kanga.nu> References: <20011217205822.W32391-100000@phred.org> <20509.1008657440@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20011218.12162000@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear All I have configured Mailman version 2.0.5 on kernel 2.2.14-12 (Redhat 6.1) Am using sendmail 8.9.3. and apache 1.3.12. The install and configuration went well, and i have created a sample list named test. I am able to view the mailman list information and am able authenticate as admin using browser. Also i get the welcome mail. The mailman also sends mail to subscribers for confirmation, but when i reply to it. With Re: ok or with the unique id. Next stage ,i am unable to receive list mails. Where is problem and howto solve, it is a technical or functional problem. Logs of mailman are listed below: Subscribe: Nov 28 16:51:08 2001 (1624) test: new ganlinux at naturesoft.net Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) test: pending somasekar_s at naturesoft.net 192.168.0. Smtp: Nov 28 16:32:28 2001 (13977) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.304 seconds Nov 28 16:51:10 2001 (1624) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.942 seconds Nov 28 17:04:24 2001 (2460) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.021 seconds Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.428 seconds Dec 01 05:00:04 2001 (8178) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.543 seconds Dec 01 05:00:07 2001 (8175) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.576 seconds Dec 11 10:00:55 2001 (19005) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.959 seconds Please help out on this.. as am totally struck at this stage Regards Ganeshh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/18/01, 12:07:20 PM, J C Lawrence wrote regarding Re: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists : > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:05:19 -0800 (PST) > alex wetmore wrote: > > My Mailman configuration uses Unix for running Mailman, and > > Windows 2000 SMTP Server for outbound email. I doubt many (if > > any) other people are using this configuration, but if people are > > interested in more detail on configuring Windows 2000 SMTP for > > maximum performance I can help out quite a bit. > Why not add that data to the FAQ? > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011218/dd70d50c/attachment.htm From poper at fedro.ugr.es Tue Dec 18 13:21:34 2001 From: poper at fedro.ugr.es (Antonio M / PoPeR) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:21:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie error! Message-ID: <006a01c187be$8939ff20$f311d696@poper> Hi all, My host provider preinstalled Mailman with CPanel/WHM server controller, I'm a newbie so I did this mistake: I have tried to create a mailing list, so I have used 'pop-page' as the list name. I have noticed since I did that I can't receive any e-mail sent to pop-page at pop-page.net, which is the main pop account of my site. I think the cause of this is that pop-page at pop-page.net is now being used by the mailing list. So I've tried to delete the list, but I can't. I get this message: ------- List Deleted The list pop-page at pop-page.net was successfully deleted. Remove the components of a mailing list with impunity - beware! This removes (almost) all traces of a mailing list. By default, the lists archives are not removed, which is very handy for retiring old lists. Usage: rmlist [-a] [-h] listname Where: --archives -a remove the lists archives too --help -h print this help message and exit List does not exist: "poppage_pop-page.net" -------- Although in the line it says 'the list was successfully deleted' when I go back to the mailing list maintenance, the list is still there. I think it can't be deleted because it's my main pop account, but, at the same time, I can't use this account because it's used by the mailing list!, so could you help me, please? I want to delete the mailing list in order to use the pop account. Thanks in advance Kind regards, Antonio J. Martinez From tass at kenderhome.com Tue Dec 18 14:06:26 2001 From: tass at kenderhome.com (Tass) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:06:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <20011217180156.A21975@ssc.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Dan Wilder wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 05:22:37PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: > To get the number of SMTP processes up, change "default_process_limit" > in main.cf. > > default_process_limit = 150 If you have 512M of Ram set it to 200, it will give you a lot of room. > There's an active message queue which also became a sticky wicket > for us. Two limits which affect this, and the values I arrived > at by experiment are: > > qmgr_message_active_limit = 40000 > qmgr_message_recipient_limit = 40000 > > Default on both of these is 1000, as of the Postfix version I initially > installed. The comments in the config file say: Unless newer versions have been fixed, there is a max of 10K or 50K, depending on source version. I had to edit teh source and recompile to get it up to the 75K+ range. > disable_dns_lookups = yes I have found this to be no real change. On a PIII-500 with 512M I am getting 100K-120K/hr on a T1 connection with avg message of 6.1K. A good thing to do is to have hash_queue_names = incoming, defer, deferred active bounce flush hash_queue_depth = 2 the hashed structure gave us an increase of 20% in soeed. If most of your email is going to a few domains that you know are good at handling email you can also set default_destination_concurrency_limit = 15 -- |Tass Chapman| tass at kenderhome.com : PGP key @ pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 | | http://www.kenderhome.com : KEYID: 0x5BC152A1 | |ICQ UIN:394570 | -- From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Tue Dec 18 15:01:09 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:01:09 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie error! In-Reply-To: <006a01c187be$8939ff20$f311d696@poper> References: <006a01c187be$8939ff20$f311d696@poper> Message-ID: <20011218.14010900@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear All I have configured Mailman version 2.0.5 on kernel 2.2.14-12 (Redhat 6.1) Am using sendmail 8.9.3. and apache 1.3.12. The install and configuration went well, and i have created a sample list named test. I am able to view the mailman list information and am able authenticate as admin using browser. Also i get the welcome mail. The mailman also sends mail to subscribers for confirmation, but when i reply to it. With Re: ok or with the unique id. Next stage ,i am unable to receive list mails. Where is problem and howto solve, it is a technical or functional problem. Logs of mailman are listed below: Subscribe: Nov 28 16:51:08 2001 (1624) test: new ganlinux at naturesoft.net Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) test: pending somasekar_s at naturesoft.net 192.168.0. Smtp: Nov 28 16:32:28 2001 (13977) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.304 seconds Nov 28 16:51:10 2001 (1624) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.942 seconds Nov 28 17:04:24 2001 (2460) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.021 seconds Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.428 seconds Dec 01 05:00:04 2001 (8178) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.543 seconds Dec 01 05:00:07 2001 (8175) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.576 seconds Dec 11 10:00:55 2001 (19005) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.959 seconds Please help out on this.. as am totally struck at this stage Regards Ganeshh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/18/01, 5:51:34 PM, "Antonio M / PoPeR" wrote regarding [Mailman-Users] Newbie error!: > Hi all, > My host provider preinstalled Mailman with CPanel/WHM server controller, I'm > a newbie so I did this mistake: I have tried to create a mailing list, so I > have used 'pop-page' as the list name. I have noticed since I did that I > can't receive any e-mail sent to pop-page at pop-page.net, which is the main > pop account of my site. I think the cause of this is that > pop-page at pop-page.net is now being used by the mailing list. So I've tried > to delete the list, but I can't. I get this message: > ------- > List Deleted > The list pop-page at pop-page.net was successfully deleted. > Remove the components of a mailing list with impunity - beware! > This removes (almost) all traces of a mailing list. By default, the lists > archives are not removed, which is very handy for retiring old lists. > Usage: > rmlist [-a] [-h] listname > Where: > --archives > -a > remove the lists archives too > --help > -h > print this help message and exit > List does not exist: "poppage_pop-page.net" > -------- > Although in the line it says 'the list was successfully deleted' when I go > back to the mailing list maintenance, the list is still there. I think it > can't be deleted because it's my main pop account, but, at the same time, I > can't use this account because it's used by the mailing list!, so could you > help me, please? I want to delete the mailing list in order to use the pop > account. > Thanks in advance > Kind regards, > Antonio J. Martinez > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011218/4dacd2c8/attachment.html From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Tue Dec 18 15:39:25 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:39:25 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in Mailman Posting of mail to subcribers In-Reply-To: <18527.1008635211@kanga.nu> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <18527.1008635211@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20011218.14392500@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear All I have configured Mailman version 2.0.5 on kernel 2.2.14-12 (Redhat 6.1) Am using sendmail 8.9.3. and apache 1.3.12. The install and configuration went well, and i have created a sample list named test. I am able to view the mailman list information and am able=20 authenticate as admin using browser. Also i get the welcome mail.=20 The mailman also sends mail to subscribers for confirmation, but when=20 i reply to it. With Re: ok or with the unique id. Next stage ,i am unable to receive list mails. Where is problem and howto solve, it is a technical or functional problem. Logs of mailman are listed below: Subscribe: Nov 28 16:51:08 2001 (1624) test: new ganlinux at naturesoft.net Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) test: pending somasekar_s at naturesoft.net=20 192.168.0. Smtp: Nov 28 16:32:28 2001 (13977) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.304 seconds Nov 28 16:51:10 2001 (1624) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.942 seconds Nov 28 17:04:24 2001 (2460) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.021 seconds Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.428 seconds Dec 01 05:00:04 2001 (8178) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.543 seconds Dec 01 05:00:07 2001 (8175) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.576 seconds Dec 11 10:00:55 2001 (19005) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.959 seconds =20 Please help out on this.. as am totally struck at this stage Regards Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011218/a6233019/attachment.htm From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Tue Dec 18 15:59:14 2001 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:59:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from sendmail Message-ID: <20011218155912.K6139@belnet.be> Hello, I have been test driving mailman for some days now. I quite like it! Now I have some majordomo mailing lists and I'm concidering to transfer them to mailman. Are their gotchas involved in the transfer? Any documentation online? I do have some small questions though. I can't seem to find an equivalent for the majordomo `taboo_headers` More specific how to get rid of html messages on my mailing list. Am I supposed to filter this myself (I mean procmail) Also when I go to the listinfo page. I can't see the current lists. Mailman tells me `There currently are no publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists ...` However in the options for the lists I did specify in the Privacy Options, to `Advertise the list when people ask what lists are on this machine` Is there another option to be set? Best Regards, -Jeroen- -- jeroen.valcke at belnet.be http://www.belnet.be From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be Tue Dec 18 16:06:00 2001 From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:06:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from sendmail In-Reply-To: <20011218155912.K6139@belnet.be>; from jeroen.valcke@belnet.be on Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 03:59:14PM +0100 References: <20011218155912.K6139@belnet.be> Message-ID: <20011218160556.L6139@belnet.be> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 03:59:14PM +0100, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > I can't seem to find an equivalent for the majordomo `taboo_headers` > More specific how to get rid of html messages on my mailing list. Am I > supposed to filter this myself (I mean procmail) Ok?, sorry just found the FAQ and this one is in there. 1.8 - 4.15 -- jeroen.valcke at belnet.be http://www.belnet.be From moseleymm at hank.org Tue Dec 18 16:06:05 2001 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:06:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <20011217180156.A21975@ssc.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217153239.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011217172237.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011218070605.01fd70d0@pop3.hank.org> At 06:01 PM 12/17/01 -0800, Dan Wilder wrote: ... >With these changes in place, a K6-350 with 128M RAM delivers >messages averaging perhaps 3K over a medium-speed DSL, >without entirely saturating the DSL, at load average below >2.0, without impinging on swap. It'll reach 20,000 >recipients in a couple of hours. > >Another common recommendation with Postfix is to set > >disable_dns_lookups = yes > >a measure others have reported favorably on, but which >I have not yet tried. I fear I'm missing something obvious... I'm not sure I follow the "disable_dns_lookups = yes" recommendation I've seen posted here a few times. Is that assuming that all mail is delivered to some "smart host" that then does the MX lookups? Obviously, the MX must be looked up someplace. (But then why not set SMTPHOST to point to the smart host and deliver directly from Mailman to the smarthost?) Or is the idea to get the mail out of mailman as soon as possible? Hum, coffee is tickling memory cells... Seems like I remember with sendmail a way to say "don't do DNS lookups during SMTP session" (but obviously lookup MX for delivery). But that's seems different than Postfix's disable_dns_lookups: disable_dns_lookups Disable DNS lookups. This means that mail must be forwarded via a smart relay host. Thanks, Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From mel at vanyel.herald.co.uk Tue Dec 18 16:20:45 2001 From: mel at vanyel.herald.co.uk (Melanie Dymond Harper) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:20:45 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patches 2.0.7 -> 2.0.8? Message-ID: <200112181520.PAA19814@vanyel.herald.co.uk> Hi folks, Is there a diff file or set of patches for the changes from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8? Thanks Mel From camel at lrllamas.com Tue Dec 18 16:26:23 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:26:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail>>postfix Message-ID: <20011218152623.82D038282@camel.lrllamas.com> Thanks all for your help in the conversion. One thing I really like is the cron logs (albeit a bit lengthy) from postfix that tell me exactly what happened in the last 24 hours (bounces, sent, differed, rejected etc.) - and the small matter of the "open relay" problem being closed for good.. Again, thanks. Now, any postfix tuning would be helpful. -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From cdh at CompleteIS.com Tue Dec 18 16:34:24 2001 From: cdh at CompleteIS.com (Chris Halverson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:34:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail>>postfix In-Reply-To: <20011218152623.82D038282@camel.lrllamas.com> (Jay S Curtis's message of "Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:26:23 -0500") References: <20011218152623.82D038282@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: Jay S Curtis writes: > differed, rejected etc.) - and the small matter of the "open relay" problem > being closed for good.. I currently use both Postfix and Sendmail in production systems. Sendmail hasn't had a default open realy issue since around 8.10, and maybe earlier (8.9.6?), which is quite old by now. You have to go out of your way (via the access db) to allow relaying. Don't get me wrong, my 19991231 version of Postfix is still running like gangbusters and has had zero problems since the day it was installed, however, sendmail isn't as bad as it once was (and the mc config is trivial to do, so that's gone away too). cdh -- Chris D. Halverson Complete Internet Solutions From scottbird7 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 18 16:34:14 2001 From: scottbird7 at hotmail.com (Scott Armstrong) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:34:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Handling in Archives Message-ID: I want to thank the developers for such a top notch open source product. There are obviously areas that could be improved and I gather from what I've read that 2.1 has many new features. I realize that this code is targetted at handling pipermail archives, but it would be nice if private.py would reference an external text file of content type mappings or use the CERN .meta files. In my environment, I've replaced pipermail with the updated hypermail and I've kept the default path so I can retain Mailman's authentication. While trying to determine why archived attachments were coming back in binary format, I discovered that the code is, shall we say, rather primitive. def content_type(path): if path[-3:] == '.gz': path = path[:-3] if path[-4:] == '.txt': return 'text/plain' return 'text/html' I've manually added the types that are needed in my environment, but it would be nice to see the code updated so I don't have to reapply the change with each incremental update. I'm currently at version 2.0.8 Thanks, Scott ============================================================ Scott Armstrong _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From camel at lrllamas.com Tue Dec 18 16:45:28 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:45:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail>>postfix - obtw... In-Reply-To: References: <20011218152623.82D038282@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: <20011218154528.6E0BF8276@camel.lrllamas.com> Run one of the "relaycheck" utilities from a point outside your network and you may find you **do** have an open relay. I was shocked to find this to be true using 8.11.12 of sendmail - and nothing I changed in the config would close it.... so I got rid of it. On Tuesday 18 December 2001 10:34 am, you wrote: > Jay S Curtis writes: > > differed, rejected etc.) - and the small matter of the "open relay" > > problem being closed for good.. > > I currently use both Postfix and Sendmail in production > systems. Sendmail hasn't had a default open realy issue since around > 8.10, and maybe earlier (8.9.6?), which is quite old by now. You have > to go out of your way (via the access db) to allow relaying. > > Don't get me wrong, my 19991231 version of Postfix is still running > like gangbusters and has had zero problems since the day it was > installed, however, sendmail isn't as bad as it once was (and the mc > config is trivial to do, so that's gone away too). > > cdh -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From jonc at haht.com Tue Dec 18 16:52:31 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list owners References: Message-ID: <017701c187dc$00f95660$0b04010a@JCARNES> PieceOfCake. The program ~mailman/bin/list_lists will dump out the listnames. Redirect the output to a file and then add "-admin at localhost" on to the end of each listname. The only caveat is that you have to throw-away the first line of output which says something like, "430 matching mailing lists found:" ~mailman/bin/list_lists |grep -v "matching mailing lists found:" \ |awk '{print $1"-admin at locahost" }' Dump to a file or whatever you like and mail away! Enjoy. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Con Wieland" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] list owners > Happy Holidays > > Does anyone have a script to get a list of all the list owners. I want to > make a list-owners list to use for announcements and updates. > > Thanks in advance. > > Con > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From cdh at CompleteIS.com Tue Dec 18 16:53:21 2001 From: cdh at CompleteIS.com (Chris Halverson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:53:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail>>postfix - obtw... In-Reply-To: <20011218154528.6E0BF8276@camel.lrllamas.com> (Jay S Curtis's message of "Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:45:28 -0500") References: <20011218152623.82D038282@camel.lrllamas.com> <20011218154528.6E0BF8276@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: Jay S Curtis writes: > Run one of the "relaycheck" utilities from a point outside your network > and you may find you **do** have an open relay. I was shocked to find this > to be true using 8.11.12 of sendmail - and nothing I changed in the config > would close it.... so I got rid of it. Of course, Postfix will also generally trigger these as being "open", when in fact they are not. I routinely check my machines from off network, and have been probed by Orbs, Orbz, RBL, etc. and never had any problems with my sendmail installs. My Postfix ones, due to the nature of how postfix works (ie. it accepts the mail before rejecting it due to the fact that the programs are split up as opposed to a monolithic program like sendmail pre-8.12, 8.12+ uses two separate (one non-suid) programs much like postfix), are sometimes reported as open. This may be "fixed" in newer Postfixes, but I have never had an open sendmail relay for at least the past 5 years. cdh -- Chris D. Halverson Complete Internet Solutions From hicking at du.gtn.com Tue Dec 18 17:07:56 2001 From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:07:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internation lists / translation? Message-ID: <3C1F77EC.3459.589F988B@localhost> Hi I need to set up several lists for international use. Some will be aimed at german customers, others at french/english etc. Is there any way of having international responses send out to subscribers? Maybe even change the web interface language depending on what list I click on in the list overview? I noticed several template file like refuse.txt in /etc/mailman/ (that's Debian Linux) but changing these would change the language for _every_ list. TIA, Marcel From TDyson at sybex.com Tue Dec 18 17:21:57 2001 From: TDyson at sybex.com (TDyson at sybex.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:21:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling bouncing addresses Message-ID: Can somebody point me to details on the bounce message handling? v2.0.8 Here are the things I have set Try to figure out error messages automatically? Yes Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally bad before we take action : 1 Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before we consider removing them from the list: 1 Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour. : 1 Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected. Disable and notify me So I added a bogus address to the list. The list owner is getting bounce messages from destination MTAs (yahoo and our internal mail server). Mailman either isn't getting the info it needs or isn't reacting to what info it is getting. TIA, Thom Dyson Director of Information Services Sybex, Inc. From dan at ssc.com Tue Dec 18 17:38:06 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:38:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail>>postfix - obtw... In-Reply-To: References: <20011218152623.82D038282@camel.lrllamas.com> <20011218154528.6E0BF8276@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: <20011218083806.A24852@ssc.com> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 09:53:21AM -0600, Chris Halverson wrote: > Jay S Curtis writes: > > > Run one of the "relaycheck" utilities from a point outside your network > > and you may find you **do** have an open relay. I was shocked to find this > > to be true using 8.11.12 of sendmail - and nothing I changed in the config > > would close it.... so I got rid of it. > > Of course, Postfix will also generally trigger these as being "open", > when in fact they are not. I routinely check my machines from off > network, and have been probed by Orbs, Orbz, RBL, etc. and never had > any problems with my sendmail installs. My Postfix ones, due to the > nature of how postfix works (ie. it accepts the mail before rejecting > it due to the fact that the programs are split up as opposed to a > monolithic program like sendmail pre-8.12, 8.12+ uses two separate > (one non-suid) programs much like postfix), are sometimes reported as > open. This may be "fixed" in newer Postfixes, but I have never had an > open sendmail relay for at least the past 5 years. You must be talking about older Postfixes. We've been running Postfix on four internet-exposed servers for a couple of years now, with no relay complaints, correct or defective. I don't know what those relaycheck utilities do. Here's a snapshot of mine. From a third-party host: telnet www.ssc.com 25 Trying 209.61.186.36... Connected to www.ssc.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 www.ssc.com ESMTP Postfix helo sunsite.unc.edu 250 www.ssc.com mail from: 250 Ok rcpt to: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied www.ssc.com runs Postfix of some but not great antiquity, totally stock so far as its anti-relay settings go. >From cascadia.a42.com I telnet to it and give a forged helo. It accepts that. That's a reasonable thing to do, amazingly enough. I then announce a forged envelope-from, which it again accepts, and specify envelope-to an innocent third-party victim. Who is actually me. I guess that disposes of any claim of innocence! At that point, after a short delay, Postfix lowers the boom with a 554. If I go on and say: data I get 503 Error: need RCPT command Not sure what more a relaycheck utility could expect. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at haht.com Tue Dec 18 18:55:53 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:55:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling bouncing addresses References: Message-ID: <026d01c187ed$3fdc5dd0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Check the logs under ~mailman/logs/.. You should see the bounces there and notes about the bounces indicating first bounce, second bounce, etc - number of bounces left before the user is removed from the active list (in of seconds). Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling bouncing addresses > > Can somebody point me to details on the bounce message handling? v2.0.8 > > Here are the things I have set > > Try to figure out error messages automatically? Yes > Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally bad before we take > action : 1 > Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before we > consider removing them from the list: 1 > Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour. : 1 > Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected. Disable and notify > me > > So I added a bogus address to the list. The list owner is getting bounce > messages from destination MTAs (yahoo and our internal mail server). > Mailman either isn't getting the info it needs or isn't reacting to what > info it is getting. > > TIA, > > Thom Dyson > Director of Information Services > Sybex, Inc. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Dec 18 19:39:39 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:39:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/18/01 5:06 AM, "Tass" wrote: >> default_process_limit = 150 > > If you have 512M of Ram set it to 200, it will give you a lot of room. Maybe. Maybe not. One of the things you need to do when setting up your MTA is figure out what your network can take. It makes no sense (in fact, it hurts throughput significantly) if you have more processes attempting to send mail than your network can handle. If you're on a 384K DSL, you have to tune much different than if you're on an T1. And you're gated by your slowest link, not your closest one. One of the things you need to do, then, is try increasingly large numbers of parallel delivery processes, and watch your network patterns. What I usually do is look for when dropped packets and/or retries start going up. Once you get there, you've basically saturated your slowest network link, bceause stuff is disappearing into the void. Once that happens, your overall throughput will start going down, because your processes will be fighting for the network, losing packets, retrying, waiting for each other's packets to get out of the way, and generally creating minor chaos at the TCP layer. So what I do is I ramp up delivery until this point happens, then back it off by about 10%. If (as with the SSH guys a couple of days ago) you want to reserve more bandwidth, back it off more. A really rough way to estimate this, if you don't want to get nerdy, is to use "ping". Ping, for instance, the router on the far side of your WAN link, and wait for packets to start dropping. That'll tell you when that link fills up. If you're seeing significant collisions, retries or dropped packets, you're overfilling your network and hurting performance. Better 50 mail processes cooperating than 60 getting in each other's way. And I think it's best to manage this by rate-limiting the MTA, which you can test and tune fairly easily. >> disable_dns_lookups = yes > > I have found this to be no real change. > On a PIII-500 with 512M I am getting 100K-120K/hr on a T1 connection with > avg message of 6.1K. Then I'd guess you have a fairly small group of domains you deal with. The wider your subscribers wander, especially if you cross continents, the more you'll see issues with slow DNS. Better to turn it off and let the Mta deal with it asynchronously. > If most of your email is going to a few domains that you know are good at > handling email you can also set > > default_destination_concurrency_limit = 15 As long as you don't flood them and piss them off. Be careful over-ramping to a single domain. From dan at ssc.com Tue Dec 18 20:29:26 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:29:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists [Postfix] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011218112926.A25380@ssc.com> I'd like to emphasize that YMMV. As Chuq notes, don't take my numbers or anybody else's and apply them blindly. What fits one site will fit badly on others. Change one thing at a time, in some orderly way that lets you evaluate impact of changes. Important things I can think of immediately that will vary by site include: -- Bandwidth to internet -- Size of email postings -- Number of postings -- Number of recipients -- Number of recipient domains -- Ease and reliability of reaching recipient domains and their DNS -- Amount of RAM, processer speed, disk speed in mailserver -- Other load the mailserver may be under -- How fast the list mail needs to be delivered -- Proximity of nearest DNS cache All of these may impact the optimum tuning. On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 10:39:39AM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 12/18/01 5:06 AM, "Tass" wrote: > > >> default_process_limit = 150 > > > > If you have 512M of Ram set it to 200, it will give you a lot of room. > > Maybe. Maybe not. > > One of the things you need to do when setting up your MTA is figure out what > your network can take. It makes no sense (in fact, it hurts throughput > significantly) if you have more processes attempting to send mail than your > network can handle. > > If you're on a 384K DSL, you have to tune much different than if you're on > an T1. And you're gated by your slowest link, not your closest one. > > One of the things you need to do, then, is try increasingly large numbers of > parallel delivery processes, and watch your network patterns. What I usually > do is look for when dropped packets and/or retries start going up. Once you > get there, you've basically saturated your slowest network link, bceause > stuff is disappearing into the void. Once that happens, your overall > throughput will start going down, because your processes will be fighting > for the network, losing packets, retrying, waiting for each other's packets > to get out of the way, and generally creating minor chaos at the TCP layer. > > So what I do is I ramp up delivery until this point happens, then back it > off by about 10%. If (as with the SSH guys a couple of days ago) you want to > reserve more bandwidth, back it off more. > > A really rough way to estimate this, if you don't want to get nerdy, is to > use "ping". Ping, for instance, the router on the far side of your WAN link, > and wait for packets to start dropping. That'll tell you when that link > fills up. > > If you're seeing significant collisions, retries or dropped packets, you're > overfilling your network and hurting performance. Better 50 mail processes > cooperating than 60 getting in each other's way. And I think it's best to > manage this by rate-limiting the MTA, which you can test and tune fairly > easily. > > >> disable_dns_lookups = yes > > > > I have found this to be no real change. > > On a PIII-500 with 512M I am getting 100K-120K/hr on a T1 connection with > > avg message of 6.1K. > > Then I'd guess you have a fairly small group of domains you deal with. The > wider your subscribers wander, especially if you cross continents, the more > you'll see issues with slow DNS. Better to turn it off and let the Mta deal > with it asynchronously. > > > If most of your email is going to a few domains that you know are good at > > handling email you can also set > > > > default_destination_concurrency_limit = 15 > > As long as you don't flood them and piss them off. Be careful over-ramping > to a single domain. > > Yes. I've got default_destination_concurrency_limit = 5 and also smtp_destination_recipient_limit = 10 in postfix/main.cf because of piss-off problems with a few recipient domains. These don't seem to affect our overall delivery rate much, because no one domain accounts for more than a few percent of total subscribers. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Tue Dec 18 20:40:58 2001 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:40:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] delte queue... Message-ID: <20011218194058.79024.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> hello there!!! How can i delete the mail queue?????.... Thanks!!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From dan at ssc.com Tue Dec 18 20:50:10 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:50:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] delte queue... In-Reply-To: <20011218194058.79024.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011218194058.79024.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011218115010.A25455@ssc.com> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 01:40:58PM -0600, Alex Sammons wrote: > > hello there!!! > > How can i delete the mail queue?????.... With great caution. And, depends on your MTA. The answer I'd suggest is "If you can't figure out yourself how to delete the mail queue on an MTA, you aren't likely to be able to figure out how to fix it after you break it trying to delete the mail queue. So don't do it". -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From claw at kanga.nu Tue Dec 18 21:02:07 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:02:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach of "Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:39:39 PST." References: Message-ID: <26129.1008705727@kanga.nu> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:39:39 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 12/18/01 5:06 AM, "Tass" wrote: >>> disable_dns_lookups = yes >> I have found this to be no real change. On a PIII-500 with 512M >> I am getting 100K-120K/hr on a T1 connection with avg message of >> 6.1K. > Then I'd guess you have a fairly small group of domains you deal > with. The wider your subscribers wander, especially if you cross > continents, the more you'll see issues with slow DNS. Better to > turn it off and let the Mta deal with it asynchronously. Uhh, Chuq, from the man page: disable_dns_lookups Disable DNS lookups. This means that mail must be forwarded via a smart relay host. AFAICT Postfix will only do DNS verifies if you set one the (E)HELO/MAIL FROM: etc checks as detailed here: http://www.postfix.org/uce.html#smtpd_helo_required And unless you set that, Postfix does not DNS verifies until attempted delivery time. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From cwieland at uci.edu Tue Dec 18 21:29:22 2001 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:29:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list owners In-Reply-To: <017701c187dc$00f95660$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: Message-ID: Cool, Thanks!!! Have a great Holiday At 7:52 AM -0800 12/18/01, Jon Carnes wrote: >PieceOfCake. > >The program ~mailman/bin/list_lists will dump out the listnames. Redirect >the output to a file and then add "-admin at localhost" on to the end of each >listname. The only caveat is that you have to throw-away the first line of >output which says something like, "430 matching mailing lists found:" > > ~mailman/bin/list_lists |grep -v "matching mailing lists found:" \ > |awk '{print $1"-admin at locahost" }' > >Dump to a file or whatever you like and mail away! Enjoy. > >Jon Carnes >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Con Wieland" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:57 PM >Subject: [Mailman-Users] list owners > > >> Happy Holidays >> >> Does anyone have a script to get a list of all the list owners. I want to >> make a list-owners list to use for announcements and updates. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Con >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Tue Dec 18 21:33:31 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:33:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] delete mail queue... References: <20011218194058.79024.qmail@web14914.mail.yahoo.com> <20011218115010.A25455@ssc.com> Message-ID: <030e01c18803$42425f50$0b04010a@JCARNES> ditto... But, if you are running sendmail on RH Linux, you can look at your queue by typing in: /usr/sbin/sendmail -bp Here's an example of the output: NAA20852 2235 Fri Dec 14 13:14 MAILER-DAEMON (Deferred: Connection refused by prophet.qa.haht.com.) NAA21610 16176 Fri Dec 14 13:26 MAILER-DAEMON (Deferred: Connection refused by maillist.newsfactor.com.) === Deleting is fairly easy, but really you should know what you are doing first... For Sendmail the queue directory (in RH Linux) is /var/spool/mqueue/... Looking at the directory, you will see a bunch of file that start with: df..., qf..., or xf... After that the file name contains a combination of 3 letters and 5 numbers. This second part matches the output you got from the "sendmail -bp" command. Here is an example: dfNAA20852 dfNAA21610 qfNAA20852 qfNAA21610 === If you wanted to delete the Message NAA20852 (to netsaint at prophet.qa.haht.com) you would move to the queue directory and: rm ??NAA20852 Boom! The message is now gone from your queue. Please note, that if you are going to be playing with your queued up messages, you should STOP SENDMAIL first: /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail stop Take care and good luck! Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Wilder" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] delte queue... > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 01:40:58PM -0600, Alex Sammons wrote: > > > > hello there!!! > > > > How can i delete the mail queue?????.... > > With great caution. And, depends on your MTA. > > The answer I'd suggest is "If you can't figure out yourself > how to delete the mail queue on an MTA, you aren't > likely to be able to figure out how to fix it after you > break it trying to delete the mail queue. So don't do it". > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor > SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 > Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dan at ssc.com Tue Dec 18 21:39:22 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:39:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: <26129.1008705727@kanga.nu> References: <26129.1008705727@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20011218123922.A25607@ssc.com> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 12:02:07PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:39:39 -0800 > Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > On 12/18/01 5:06 AM, "Tass" wrote: > > >>> disable_dns_lookups = yes > > >> I have found this to be no real change. On a PIII-500 with 512M > >> I am getting 100K-120K/hr on a T1 connection with avg message of > >> 6.1K. > > > Then I'd guess you have a fairly small group of domains you deal > > with. The wider your subscribers wander, especially if you cross > > continents, the more you'll see issues with slow DNS. Better to > > turn it off and let the Mta deal with it asynchronously. > > > Uhh, Chuq, from the man page: > > disable_dns_lookups > Disable DNS lookups. This means that mail must be > forwarded via a smart relay host. Maybe I'm being stoopid or something. Supposing I have a list server, which I wish to deliver directly to the subscribers, rather than making use of a presumably bigger, better connected, or faster smarthost. Then I want to do precisely what I've done: that is, leave disable_dns_lookups = no the default? Or have I got something backward? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From rodolfo at linux.org.uy Tue Dec 18 22:57:09 2001 From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: 18 Dec 2001 18:57:09 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bsddb python module Message-ID: <1008712630.761.9.camel@claudia> I have a MM 2.1a3 with Pyton 2.0 + Postfix working very well. By the other way I try to install MM 2.1a3 with Pyton 2.1.1 but I can not create lists because I do not have the module bsddb (required by dbhash). Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 199, in process_request __import__(modname) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 25, in ? import dbhash File "/var/tmp/python-root//usr/lib/python2.1/dbhash.py", line 5, in ? import bsddb ImportError: No module named bsddb In the first system I can not locate the bsddb* module file, but an import bsddb works. I downloaded bsddb3-3.3.0 and try to install (python setup.py install) but I can not compile it. Can anybody help me to have bsddb installed? (My sistem is a SuSE 7.3 Professional and I do not understand Python language) -- Rodolfo Pilas Quien los puso a estos tipos donde estan, rodolfo at linux.org.uy Quien los deja seguir en su lugar, http://rodolfo.pilas.net Quien los baja ahora de su altar, ICQ #17461636 Quien les paga para que hagan lo que haran http://xtralinux.org -=# Apocalipsis Now % Cuarteto de Nos #=- Public GnuPG key: http://www.keyserver.net 1024D/57153363 2001-06-02 key fingerprint = DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0 48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363 From arpajian at syr.edu Tue Dec 18 23:07:30 2001 From: arpajian at syr.edu (Dean Arpajian) Date: 18 Dec 2001 17:07:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin queue Message-ID: <944056400arpajian@syr.edu> Where are the held posts (the ones awaiting allow/deny/reject) stored? And can they be easily stripped - w/o breaking mailman? tia. -Dean From jmeurer at gmx.de Wed Dec 19 00:46:07 2001 From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:46:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + courier Message-ID: <20011218234607.GA4592@testsystem.server0.de> Hello, Has anyone mailman running with courier as mailserver? On the server where I have to install mailman courier is used as mailserver. Are there any problems, or can I use it without troubles. I've installed mailman without troubles, and the webinterface works well. I also was able to make a new list, and I got a mail that I have a new list. And I was able to subscribe myself over the admins- webinterface. But I'm not able to send mail to the list. But I don't really know if the problem is at courier, dns or mailman. Has anyone mailman running with courier? Thanks Jonas -- Error in operating: add beer! From poper at fedro.ugr.es Wed Dec 19 00:47:11 2001 From: poper at fedro.ugr.es (Antonio M / PoPeR) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:47:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a mailing list Message-ID: <001501c1881e$5182af40$fc10d696@poper> Hi, How can I delete a mailing list using CPanel 4? I use Cpanel to admin my site, I used to create a mailing list, now when I try to delete the list, it doesn`t work: List Deleted The list pop-page at pop-page.net was successfully deleted. Remove the components of a mailing list with impunity - beware! This removes (almost) all traces of a mailing list. By default, the lists archives are not removed, which is very handy for retiring old lists. Usage: rmlist [-a] [-h] listname Where: --archives -a remove the lists archives too --help -h print this help message and exit List does not exist: "poppage_pop-page.net" ---- Althought the first line says that the list has been deleted, it doesn't. How can I delete the list using Cpanel? is there another alternative (not using Cpanel) to do it? Thanks From jimmy at nccom.com Wed Dec 19 02:24:43 2001 From: jimmy at nccom.com (Jim Gottlieb) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:24:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting cgi-gid right Message-ID: <20011218172443.P1313@nccom.com> We're retiring the machine running majordomo, so I figure this is a good excuse to switch to Mailman. I've built and installed and set up the 'test' list as suggested in the INSTALL file, but when I try accessing the web page, I get: Mailman CGI error!!! The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server. I have tried rebuilding it with a few different cgi-gid definitions, but still can't get past this. I created a cgi-bin script that does nothing but create a file and it shows: -rw------- 1 nobody daemon 0 Dec 18 14:59 /tmp/cgi confirming for me that the web server is running as group daemon, and I did a full reconfigure and rebuild of mailman with --with-cgi-gid=daemon but I still get this error. Is there some place I can see what GID it wants and what GID it is seeing? syslog shows: Mailman cgi-wrapper (admin): No such file or directory So is some file missing or is it the GID mismatch? What's a good way to debug this? Running Mailman 2.0.7 under Solaris 8 and Python 1.5.2. Thanks for any help. From moseleymm at hank.org Wed Dec 19 02:42:07 2001 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:42:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting cgi-gid right Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011218174207.01d54390@pop3.hank.org> (sorry for the duplicate to come -- sent from wrong email address) At 05:24 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Jim Gottlieb wrote: > The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as > set by the Web server. >confirming for me that the web server is running as group daemon, and I >did a full reconfigure and rebuild of mailman with >--with-cgi-gid=daemon I'm going to respond, although I might be wrong. I got hung up on this, too, and I wonder if I either got it wrong or if the INSTALL doc was confusing. It didn't make sense that they should be setguid as the webserver process as then they wouldn't have access. Did I get this messed up? > ls -l cgi-bin total 320 -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 30302 Nov 26 10:27 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 30306 Nov 26 10:27 admindb ... Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From mojo at whiteoaks.com Wed Dec 19 02:50:10 2001 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:50:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms problems ... Message-ID: Hi ... I'm having a good time setting up a replacement box for my mail and web server, switching to postfix for MTA, and moving a lists over from my old mailman server (2.0.6 to 2.0.8). A couple of issues I've noticed: 1. I was surprised that the --with-mail-gid needed to be "mailman" and not the "postfix" user. Wasn't it the other way around for sendmail? 2. I'm moving my lists over by taring and restoring the list data files ($prefix/lists//*) and the archive files. 2 a. check_perms is an important step after doing this. =) 2 b. check_perms failed to find that the ownership for request.db wasn't set correctly (to "apache" the cgi-gid). I discovered the issue by comparing the permissions with those of a newly created test list. Otherwise, it appears that I'll be able to proceed apace. (I'm upgrading whiteoaks.com from a pentium 90 with 24 mb ram to a P-III 1 GHz with 512 mb, using RedHat 7.2.) Happy Holidays, Mojo -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo at whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From moseleymm at hank.org Wed Dec 19 02:56:44 2001 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:56:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting cgi-gid right In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011218174207.01d54390@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011218175644.01e620fc@pop3.hank.org> Ah hell, ignore that last post. I remember it being confusing, but looking at my notes I see that I did set the guid to match what my web server is running as. And Jim's issue is different, I think. I'll go quietly back to my scotch now. At 05:42 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: >It didn't make sense that they should be setguid as the webserver process >as then they wouldn't have access. Did I get this messed up? > >> ls -l cgi-bin >total 320 >-rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 30302 Nov 26 10:27 admin >-rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 30306 Nov 26 10:27 admindb >... > > > > > >Bill Moseley >mailto:moseley at hank.org > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From jnewkid at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 03:43:05 2001 From: jnewkid at hotmail.com (Jason Newkid) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:43:05 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email address tag Message-ID: I've spent the past 7 hours upgrading a server from freebsd 2.2 to 4.4 and mailman 1.0 with python 1.5.1 to the current version. FUN FUN FUN In the past few months I've noticed more and more people signing up for lists using services that offer mail redirects. The problem is when they bounce I can't find the original email address it was sent to. What im looking for is the mailman tag to represent email address the email was sent to. So hopefully in the footer i can put This email was sent to % mm_user_email . (or like MM-User-Email) and maybe in the header put X-MailMan-Sent-To: % mm_user_email (or like MM-User-Email) But what is the syntax or tag to print the users' email address in an email? I was not able to find it after going through the 45 megs of archives. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 19 03:46:20 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:46:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin queue In-Reply-To: <944056400arpajian@syr.edu> References: <944056400arpajian@syr.edu> Message-ID: <01121821462000.01438@anncons.nc.rr.com> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp On Tuesday 18 December 2001 17:07, Dean Arpajian wrote: > Where are the held posts (the ones awaiting allow/deny/reject) stored? > And can they be easily stripped - w/o breaking mailman? > > tia. > > -Dean > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 19 03:58:35 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:58:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + courier In-Reply-To: <20011218234607.GA4592@testsystem.server0.de> References: <20011218234607.GA4592@testsystem.server0.de> Message-ID: <01121821583501.01438@anncons.nc.rr.com> I don't run courier with Mailman, but the problem seems common enough. Check your log files both for courier and Mailman (~mailman/logs/...) The most common problem is getting the wrapper to run properly with your MTA (courier in your case). What group ID does your courier install run as? Part of mailman's install needs to know the GID so that when courier calls the wrapper program it allows it to be run. As a security measure, only processes with the GID of the MTA can run mailman's wrapper program. Jon Carnes On Tuesday 18 December 2001 18:46, Jonas Meurer wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone mailman running with courier as mailserver? > On the server where I have to install mailman courier is used as > mailserver. Are there any problems, or can I use it without troubles. > I've installed mailman without troubles, and the webinterface works > well. I also was able to make a new list, and I got a mail that I > have a new list. And I was able to subscribe myself over the admins- > webinterface. But I'm not able to send mail to the list. But I don't > really know if the problem is at courier, dns or mailman. > > Has anyone mailman running with courier? > > Thanks > Jonas From claw at kanga.nu Wed Dec 19 04:08:27 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:08:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big Lists In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Wilder of "Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:39:22 PST." <20011218123922.A25607@ssc.com> References: <26129.1008705727@kanga.nu> <20011218123922.A25607@ssc.com> Message-ID: <29116.1008731307@kanga.nu> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:39:22 -0800 Dan Wilder wrote: > Maybe I'm being stoopid or something. Nahh, its just a confusion between the default phraseology under Sendmail being different from the phraseology under Postfix. > Supposing I have a list server, which I wish to deliver directly > to the subscribers, rather than making use of a presumably bigger, > better connected, or faster smarthost. Then leave disable_dns_lookups set to no. You may also want to ensure that the various SPAM and header checks are not enabled. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Dec 19 04:48:02 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:48:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email address tag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01121822480203.01438@anncons.nc.rr.com> This is a feature of the alpha version v2.1. You might want to look through the Dev list's archives... or live without that feature for two months till v2.1 is ready for prime time. Jon Carnes On Tuesday 18 December 2001 21:43, Jason Newkid wrote: > I've spent the past 7 hours upgrading a server from freebsd 2.2 to 4.4 > and mailman 1.0 with python 1.5.1 to the current version. FUN FUN FUN > > In the past few months I've noticed more and more people signing up for > lists using services that offer mail redirects. The problem is when they > bounce I can't find the original email address it was sent to. > What im looking for is the mailman tag to represent email address the > email was sent to. > > So hopefully in the footer i can put > This email was sent to % mm_user_email . (or like MM-User-Email) > > and maybe in the header put > X-MailMan-Sent-To: % mm_user_email (or like MM-User-Email) > > But what is the syntax or tag to print the users' email address in an > email? > > I was not able to find it after going through the 45 megs of archives. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Wed Dec 19 07:41:41 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:41:41 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Functional problem In-Reply-To: <3C1F77EC.3459.589F988B@localhost> References: <3C1F77EC.3459.589F988B@localhost> Message-ID: <20011219.6414100@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear All I have configured Mailman version 2.0.5 on kernel 2.2.14-12 (Redhat 6.1) Am using sendmail 8.9.3. and apache 1.3.12. The install and configuration went well, and i have created a sample list named test. I am able to view the mailman list information and am able=3D20 authenticate as admin using browser. Also i get the welcome mail.=3D20 The mailman also sends mail to subscribers for confirmation, but=20 when=3D20 i reply to it. With Re: ok or with the unique id. Next stage ,i am unable to receive list mails. Where is problem and howto solve, it is a technical or functional problem. Logs of mailman are listed below: Subscribe: Nov 28 16:51:08 2001 (1624) test: new ganlinux at naturesoft.net Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) test: pending=20 somasekar_s at naturesoft.net=3D20 192.168.0. Smtp: Nov 28 16:32:28 2001 (13977) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.304 seconds Nov 28 16:51:10 2001 (1624) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.942 seconds Nov 28 17:04:24 2001 (2460) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.021 seconds Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.428 seconds Dec 01 05:00:04 2001 (8178) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.543 seconds Dec 01 05:00:07 2001 (8175) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.576 seconds Dec 11 10:00:55 2001 (19005) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.959 seconds =3D20 Please help out on this.. as am totally struck at this stage Regards Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/4e46c088/attachment.html From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Dec 19 11:53:15 2001 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:53:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got the bug screen Message-ID: I've been fiddling with redirects from www.forumsyd.net/lists to www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo but in no way been touching the Mailman files. All of a sudden I get Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 We're sorry, we hit a bug! I include the error log but the only thing I can see is admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' Q: what permissions should this file have? ---------------------------------------- log file ------------------------------------------------ Dec 19 12:22:13 2001 admin(1471): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(1471): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----] admin(1471): [----- Traceback ------] admin(1471): Traceback (innermost last): admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(1471): main() admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 38, in main admin(1471): FormatListinfoOverview() admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 84, in FormatListinfoOverview admin(1471): mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__ admin(1471): self.Load() admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load admin(1471): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load admin(1471): fp = open(dbfile) admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' admin(1471): [----- Python Information -----] admin(1471): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, 01:35:43) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 admin(1471): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(1471): sys.prefix = /usr admin(1471): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(1471): sys.path = /usr admin(1471): sys.platform = linux-i386 admin(1471): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(1471): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /www/htdocs admin(1471): SERVER_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, compress admin(1471): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 admin(1471): QUERY_STRING: admin(1471): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo admin(1471): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(1471): HTTP_HOST: www.forumsyd.net admin(1471): REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(1471): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
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admin(1471): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo admin(1471): SERVER_ADMIN: martin at hauntedhousesw.com admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en admin(1471): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo admin(1471): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman admin(1471): REMOTE_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 admin(1471): SERVER_NAME: www.forumsyd.net admin(1471): REMOTE_PORT: 1113 admin(1471): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Lynx/2.8.4dev.16 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 admin(1471): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 admin(1471): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/html, text/plain, audio/mod, image/*, video/*, video/mpeg, application/pgp, application/pgp, application/pdf, message/partial, message/external-body, application/postscript, x-be2, application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, text/enriched, x-sun-attachment, audio-file, postscript-file, default, mail-file, sun-deskset-message, application/x-metamail-patch, application/msword, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01 mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." From hunter at userfriendly.net Wed Dec 19 12:52:50 2001 From: hunter at userfriendly.net (Michael B. Weiner) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from majordomo References: Message-ID: <3C207F92.20908@userfriendly.net> I am running RedHat 7.2 linux 2.4.9.-13 with mailman-2.0.6-1, sendmail-8.11.6-3 and apache-1.3.22-2 all rpm built and installed by redhat's installation upgrade. I have been trying to get my active mailing lists migrated over from majordomo but seem to have run into a snag i cannot unravel. I can setup the list via command line (i.e. /var/mailman/bin/newlist) and add the alias entry to the /etc/mail/alias file and perform a newaliaes just fine and see it rebuilt. I can then hit the test list via webbrowser (i.e. http://www.userfriendly.net/mailman/admin/test-list) and go through the configuration ok. However when i go to subscribe as a user, i do not get any welcome message, nor can i post to the list. In other words, it seems to be all setup but no emails ever get generated or sent even though i have it set to send all subs/unsubs to the list manager. They never get a sub request nor does the user ever get an email concerning the confirmation nor instructions. I do see the following in the /var/log/maillog: Dec 19 06:34:33 ns1 sendmail[9812]: fBJBYWR09811: to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post test-list", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30553, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent but mysteriously never get the emails. Does any one have any ideas or suggestions? -- Michael B. Weiner, Linux+, Linux+ SME Systems Administrator/Partner The UserFriendly Network (UFN) -- Linux Registered User #94900 Have you been counted? http://counter.li.org PGP: 30 1D CC BA 30 30 63 35 CD 58 E0 89 A9 17 CC C0 8C 55 F7 72 ......... Escape the 'Gates' of Hell `:::' ....... ...... ::: * `::. ::' ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: `::. :' ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::. ::: .::. .:: ::. `::::. .:' ::. ...:::.....................::' .::::.. -- From jmeurer at gmx.de Wed Dec 19 13:56:19 2001 From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:56:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + courier In-Reply-To: <01121821583501.01438@anncons.nc.rr.com> References: <20011218234607.GA4592@testsystem.server0.de> <01121821583501.01438@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20011219125619.GC1652@testsystem.server0.de> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 09:58:35PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > I don't run courier with Mailman, but the problem seems common enough. > Check your log files both for courier and Mailman (~mailman/logs/...) > > The most common problem is getting the wrapper to run properly with your > MTA (courier in your case). What group ID does your courier install run > as? Part of mailman's install needs to know the GID so that when courier > calls the wrapper program it allows it to be run. Mh, the courier-log says: Dec 19 12:49:46 server01 courierd: completed,id=000008C9.3C207EDA.00001F96 Dec 19 12:49:46 server01 courierd: Waiting. shutdown time=none, wakeup time=none, queuedelivering=1, inprogress=1 Dec 19 12:49:46 server01 courieresmtp: id=000008E9.3C207EDA.00001F9A,from=,addr=<"|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post admins"@server01.steindlberger.de>: 250 Ok. 3C207EDA.00001F9D Dec 19 12:49:46 server01 courierd: newmsg,id=0000095B.3C207EDA.00001F9D Dec 19 12:49:47 server01 courieresmtp: id=000008E9.3C207EDA.00001F9A,from=,addr=<"|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post admins"@server01.steindlberger.de>,size=14924,success: delivered: server01.steindlberger.de [217.115.138.231] Dec 19 12:49:48 server01 courieresmtp: id=000008C9.3C207EDB.00001FA3,from=<>,addr=,size=17364,status: success Dec 19 12:49:48 server01 courierd: completed,id=000008C9.3C207EDB.00001FA3 Dec 19 12:49:48 server01 courierd: Waiting. shutdown time=Wed Dec 19 13:45:41 2001, wakeup time=Wed Dec 19 13:45:41 2001, queuedelivering=0, inprogress=0 Then I get a mail: Subject: NOTICE: mail delivery status. This is a delivery status notification from server01, running the Courier mail server, version 0.34.1. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- UNDELIVERABLE MAIL Your message to the following recipients cannot be delivered: : server01.steindlberger.de [217.115.138.231]: >>> DATA <<< 546 Routing loop detected -- too many Received: headers. Bye Jonas -- Push to test. Release to detonate. From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Wed Dec 19 15:48:52 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:48:52 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Functional problem In-Reply-To: <20011219.6414100@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> References: <3C1F77EC.3459.589F988B@localhost> <20011219.6414100@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Message-ID: <20011219.14485200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear All I have configured Mailman version 2.0.5 on kernel 2.2.14-12 (Redhat 6.1) Am using sendmail 8.9.3. and apache 1.3.12. The install and configuration went well, and i have created a sample list named test. I am able to view the mailman list information and am able=3D20 authenticate as admin using browser. Also i get the welcome mail.=3D20 The mailman also sends mail to subscribers for confirmation, but=20 when=3D20 i reply to it. With Re: ok or with the unique id. Next stage ,i am unable to receive list mails. Where is problem and howto solve, it is a technical or functional problem. Logs of mailman are listed below: Subscribe: Nov 28 16:51:08 2001 (1624) test: new ganlinux at naturesoft.net Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) test: pending=20 somasekar_s at naturesoft.net=3D20 192.168.0. Smtp: Nov 28 16:32:28 2001 (13977) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.304 seconds Nov 28 16:51:10 2001 (1624) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.942 seconds Nov 28 17:04:24 2001 (2460) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.021 seconds Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.428 seconds Dec 01 05:00:04 2001 (8178) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.543 seconds Dec 01 05:00:07 2001 (8175) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.576 seconds Dec 11 10:00:55 2001 (19005) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.959 seconds =3D20 Please help out on this.. as am totally struck at this stage Regards Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/d307a07c/attachment.htm From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Wed Dec 19 15:49:37 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:49:37 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Functional problem In-Reply-To: <20011219.6414100@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> References: <3C1F77EC.3459.589F988B@localhost> <20011219.6414100@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Message-ID: <20011219.14493700@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear All I have configured Mailman version 2.0.5 on kernel 2.2.14-12 (Redhat 6.1) Am using sendmail 8.9.3. and apache 1.3.12. The install and configuration went well, and i have created a sample list named test. I am able to view the mailman list information and am able=3D20 authenticate as admin using browser. Also i get the welcome mail.=3D20 The mailman also sends mail to subscribers for confirmation, but=20 when=3D20 i reply to it. With Re: ok or with the unique id. Next stage ,i am unable to receive list mails. Where is problem and howto solve, it is a technical or functional problem. Logs of mailman are listed below: Subscribe: Nov 28 16:51:08 2001 (1624) test: new ganlinux at naturesoft.net Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) test: pending=20 somasekar_s at naturesoft.net=3D20 192.168.0. Smtp: Nov 28 16:32:28 2001 (13977) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.304 seconds Nov 28 16:51:10 2001 (1624) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.942 seconds Nov 28 17:04:24 2001 (2460) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.021 seconds Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.428 seconds Dec 01 05:00:04 2001 (8178) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.543 seconds Dec 01 05:00:07 2001 (8175) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.576 seconds Dec 11 10:00:55 2001 (19005) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.959 seconds =3D20 Please help out on this.. as am totally struck at this stage Regards Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/d589a406/attachment.html From simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Fri Dec 21 03:41:50 2001 From: simon at imaginemedia.co.uk (Simon, imagine media) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:41:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') Message-ID: Have just moved one of our servers over to new box and also upgraded mailman to 2.0.6 from 2.0.4. I can send to all lists but despite the qrunner cron running I get the following messages in logs/smtp; Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds I have seen other posts about this by nothing that works for me. Sendmail is running and serving mail for other pop3 accounts. Running Readhat 7.1. I am fresh out of ideas! All help would be gratefully received. Simon ***************** Simon Lorenz Systems Modelling Imagine Media Ltd simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Kennel House, Hammersley Lane, Penn, Bucks, HP10 8HE, UK t 01494 812890 f 01494 813151 m 07977 149955 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011221/9e066e64/attachment.htm From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 16:53:34 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:53:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') References: Message-ID: <004801c188a5$55e0ecf0$0b04010a@JCARNES> qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused')Check out /etc/mail/access and make sure that you have entries similar to the following in there for "localhost": localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY === if not, add the entries and do a 'make' in that directory. Also, check out your /etc/sendmail.cf file for the following line (or similar line): # file containing names of hosts for which we receive email Fw/etc/sendmail.cw Then check the file /etc/sendmail.cw . Put any aliases for your machine name in there. Note: most modern sendmail distributions but this file in /etc/mail/..., but I'm an old fart so I still use the "old" ways. Here is an example from my file: haht.com mailhost.haht.com mailhost.dev.haht.com mailhost.support.haht.com mailhost.marketing.haht.com mailhost.esg.haht.com mailhost.srvr.haht.com mercury.dev.haht.com mercury.srvr.haht.com hahtsite.com hahtcommerce.com Sendmail will accept mail from any of these domains as being local to this server. HtH's, Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon, imagine media To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') Have just moved one of our servers over to new box and also upgraded mailman to 2.0.6 from 2.0.4. I can send to all lists but despite the qrunner cron running I get the following messages in logs/smtp; Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds I have seen other posts about this by nothing that works for me. Sendmail is running and serving mail for other pop3 accounts. Running Readhat 7.1. I am fresh out of ideas! All help would be gratefully received. Simon ***************** Simon Lorenz Systems Modelling Imagine Media Ltd simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Kennel House, Hammersley Lane, Penn, Bucks, HP10 8HE, UK t 01494 812890 f 01494 813151 m 07977 149955 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/cfb7b448/attachment.html From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 16:56:01 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:56:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Functional problem References: <3C1F77EC.3459.589F988B@localhost> <20011219.6414100@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> <20011219.14493700@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Message-ID: <004e01c188a5$a87a8e30$0b04010a@JCARNES> [Mailman-Users] Mailman Functional problemCheck your MTA (sendmail) logs. They will tell you what is going on. More than likely you have a routing problem with Sendmail. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Ganesh HariHaran To: mailman-users at python.org ; Ganesh HariHaran Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Functional problem Dear All I have configured Mailman version 2.0.5 on kernel 2.2.14-12 (Redhat 6.1) Am using sendmail 8.9.3. and apache 1.3.12. The install and configuration went well, and i have created a sample list named test. I am able to view the mailman list information and am able=3D20 authenticate as admin using browser. Also i get the welcome mail.=3D20 The mailman also sends mail to subscribers for confirmation, but=20 when=3D20 i reply to it. With Re: ok or with the unique id. Next stage ,i am unable to receive list mails. Where is problem and howto solve, it is a technical or functional problem. Logs of mailman are listed below: Subscribe: Nov 28 16:51:08 2001 (1624) test: new ganlinux at naturesoft.net Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) test: pending=20 somasekar_s at naturesoft.net=3D20 192.168.0. Smtp: Nov 28 16:32:28 2001 (13977) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.304 seconds Nov 28 16:51:10 2001 (1624) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.942 seconds Nov 28 17:04:24 2001 (2460) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.021 seconds Nov 28 17:14:56 2001 (3195) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.428 seconds Dec 01 05:00:04 2001 (8178) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.543 seconds Dec 01 05:00:07 2001 (8175) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 4.576 seconds Dec 11 10:00:55 2001 (19005) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.959 seconds =3D20 Please help out on this.. as am totally struck at this stage Regards Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/d25bba3b/attachment.htm From gdunn at inscriber.com Wed Dec 19 17:06:59 2001 From: gdunn at inscriber.com (Graham Dunn) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') In-Reply-To: <004801c188a5$55e0ecf0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <004801c188a5$55e0ecf0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011219160659.GD70344@inscriber.com> On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 10:53:34AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: [snip] > > Also, check out your /etc/sendmail.cf file for the following line (or > similar line): > # file containing names of hosts for which we receive email > Fw/etc/sendmail.cw > > Then check the file /etc/sendmail.cw . Put any aliases for your machine > name in there. > Note: most modern sendmail distributions but this file in /etc/mail/..., > but I'm an old fart so I still use the "old" ways. To do it the "new" way ... in your .mc file: define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names') /etc/mail/local-host-names must exist, even if it's empty. Graham From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 17:28:45 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:28:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + courier References: <20011218234607.GA4592@testsystem.server0.de> <01121821583501.01438@anncons.nc.rr.com> <20011219125619.GC1652@testsystem.server0.de> Message-ID: <005501c188aa$3b3ac650$0b04010a@JCARNES> Again, I don't run Courier, but it looks as if Courier is treating the script as an email address. It is not running the wrapper program. I googled up Courier and found this reference: http://courier.sourceforge.net/makealiases.html Look at the heading: PROGRAM OR MAILBOX ALIASES, it explains how to setup Courier to run programs. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Meurer" To: "mailman-users" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman + courier > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 09:58:35PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > I don't run courier with Mailman, but the problem seems common enough. > > Check your log files both for courier and Mailman (~mailman/logs/...) > > > > The most common problem is getting the wrapper to run properly with your > > MTA (courier in your case). What group ID does your courier install run > > as? Part of mailman's install needs to know the GID so that when courier > > calls the wrapper program it allows it to be run. > > Mh, the courier-log says: > Dec 19 12:49:46 server01 courierd: completed,id=000008C9.3C207EDA.00001F96 > Dec 19 12:49:46 server01 courierd: Waiting. shutdown time=none, wakeup time=none, queuedelivering=1, inprogress=1 > Dec 19 12:49:46 server01 courieresmtp: id=000008E9.3C207EDA.00001F9A,from=,addr=<"|/opt/mai lman/mail/wrapper post admins"@server01.steindlberger.de>: 250 Ok. 3C207EDA.00001F9D > Dec 19 12:49:46 server01 courierd: newmsg,id=0000095B.3C207EDA.00001F9D > Dec 19 12:49:47 server01 courieresmtp: id=000008E9.3C207EDA.00001F9A,from=,addr=<"|/opt/mai lman/mail/wrapper post admins"@server01.steindlberger.de>,size=14924,success: delivered: server01.steindlberger.de [217.115.138.231] > Dec 19 12:49:48 server01 courieresmtp: id=000008C9.3C207EDB.00001FA3,from=<>,addr=,size=173 64,status: success > Dec 19 12:49:48 server01 courierd: completed,id=000008C9.3C207EDB.00001FA3 > Dec 19 12:49:48 server01 courierd: Waiting. shutdown time=Wed Dec 19 13:45:41 2001, wakeup time=Wed Dec 19 13:45:41 2001, queuedelivering=0, inprogress=0 > > Then I get a mail: > Subject: NOTICE: mail delivery status. > > This is a delivery status notification from server01, > running the Courier mail server, version 0.34.1. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > UNDELIVERABLE MAIL > > Your message to the following recipients cannot be delivered: > > : > server01.steindlberger.de [217.115.138.231]: > >>> DATA > <<< 546 Routing loop detected -- too many Received: headers. > > > Bye > Jonas > > > > -- > Push to test. Release to detonate. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 17:49:57 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from majordomo References: <3C207F92.20908@userfriendly.net> Message-ID: <007f01c188ad$312c6f80$0b04010a@JCARNES> We really need to document this and add it to the FAQ... if it's not already there. Check the mailman logs ~mailman/logs/... and see what they indicate. It's likely one of two problems: The first is that the gid for your email wasn't correctly compiled into the wrapper when you installed mailman. The wrapper will print an error in the log files (~mailman/logs/...) telling you that it got the wrong gid. This is a security measure and easy to fix, but you have to re-install and specify the proper gid used by your MTA (sendmail, postfix, qmail, exim, etc...) The second and more insidious problem is local routing. This is all inside the MTA. You will need to make sure that localhost is allowed to route via your MTA. Also Postfix has a few old releases in which delivery via localhost is broken and cannot be turned on. If you have Postfix, you must upgrade (or downgrade... but who would do that!). Some MTA's such as Sendmail use SMRSH and won't let the wrapper be used by the MTA until the wrapper is properly identified to SMRSH. For Sendmail, check out /etc/mail/access and make sure that you have entries similar to the following in there for "localhost": localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY Hope this helps, Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael B. Weiner" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] migrating from majordomo > I am running RedHat 7.2 linux 2.4.9.-13 with mailman-2.0.6-1, > sendmail-8.11.6-3 and apache-1.3.22-2 all rpm built and installed by > redhat's installation upgrade. I have been trying to get my active > mailing lists migrated over from majordomo but seem to have run into a > snag i cannot unravel. I can setup the list via command line (i.e. > /var/mailman/bin/newlist) and add the alias entry to the /etc/mail/alias > file and perform a newaliaes just fine and see it rebuilt. I can then > hit the test list via webbrowser (i.e. > http://www.userfriendly.net/mailman/admin/test-list) and go through the > configuration ok. However when i go to subscribe as a user, i do not get > any welcome message, nor can i post to the list. In other words, it > seems to be all setup but no emails ever get generated or sent even > though i have it set to send all subs/unsubs to the list manager. They > never get a sub request nor does the user ever get an email concerning > the confirmation nor instructions. I do see the following in the > /var/log/maillog: > > Dec 19 06:34:33 ns1 sendmail[9812]: fBJBYWR09811: > to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post test-list", > ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, > xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30553, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > > but mysteriously never get the emails. > > Does any one have any ideas or suggestions? > > -- > Michael B. Weiner, Linux+, Linux+ SME > Systems Administrator/Partner > The UserFriendly Network (UFN) > -- > Linux Registered User #94900 Have you been counted? http://counter.li.org > > PGP: 30 1D CC BA 30 30 63 35 CD 58 E0 89 A9 17 CC C0 8C 55 F7 72 > > ......... Escape the 'Gates' of Hell > `:::' ....... ...... > ::: * `::. ::' > ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: `::. :' > ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::. > ::: .::. .:: ::. `::::. .:' ::. > ...:::.....................::' .::::.. > -- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From chris at launchcyte.com Wed Dec 19 17:51:45 2001 From: chris at launchcyte.com (Chris J. Babyak) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:51:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message for new members Message-ID: <003d01c188ad$715cc730$f000a8c0@chrisxp> Hi, I'd like to know if there is a way to change the welcome message that is sent out. I know that I can add my own messages in addtion to what is sent from subscribeack.txt; however, I'd like to chanage the entire message for a specific list. Is there a way to specify a specific subscribeack.txt per list? Thanks, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/545588d6/attachment.html From simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Fri Dec 21 05:15:54 2001 From: simon at imaginemedia.co.uk (Simon, imagine media) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:15:54 +0100 Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon + Graham Thanks for the pointers, but sill nothing i have looked at all the files sugested and they are as follows. /etc/mail/access contains; localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY /etc/sendmail.cf points to: # file containing names of hosts for which we receive email Fw/etc/mail/local-host-names /etc/mail/local-host-names contains: localhost imagineinternet.co.uk lists.tomorrows-leaders.net etc... I get the same error messages even if sendmail is not running, there are no locks files, and I am obviously missing some thing! I have just reinstalled as per the dist. notes and sill nothing, and Christmas is fast approaching ;-} Simon ***************** Simon Lorenz Systems Modelling Imagine Media Ltd simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Kennel House, Hammersley Lane, Penn, Bucks, HP10 8HE, UK t 01494 812890 f 01494 813151 m 07977 149955 From: "Jon Carnes" Organization: HAHT Commerce Reply-To: "Jon Carnes" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:53:34 -0500 To: "Simon, imagine media" , Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') Check out /etc/mail/access and make sure that you have entries similar to the following in there for "localhost": localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY === if not, add the entries and do a 'make' in that directory. Also, check out your /etc/sendmail.cf file for the following line (or similar line): # file containing names of hosts for which we receive email Fw/etc/sendmail.cw Then check the file /etc/sendmail.cw . Put any aliases for your machine name in there. Note: most modern sendmail distributions but this file in /etc/mail/..., but I'm an old fart so I still use the "old" ways. Here is an example from my file: haht.com mailhost.haht.com mailhost.dev.haht.com mailhost.support.haht.com mailhost.marketing.haht.com mailhost.esg.haht.com mailhost.srvr.haht.com mercury.dev.haht.com mercury.srvr.haht.com hahtsite.com hahtcommerce.com Sendmail will accept mail from any of these domains as being local to this server. HtH's, Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon, imagine media To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') Have just moved one of our servers over to new box and also upgraded mailman to 2.0.6 from 2.0.4. I can send to all lists but despite the qrunner cron running I get the following messages in logs/smtp; Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds I have seen other posts about this by nothing that works for me. Sendmail is running and serving mail for other pop3 accounts. Running Readhat 7.1. I am fresh out of ideas! All help would be gratefully received. Simon ***************** Simon Lorenz Systems Modelling Imagine Media Ltd simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Kennel House, Hammersley Lane, Penn, Bucks, HP10 8HE, UK t 01494 812890 f 01494 813151 m 07977 149955 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011221/15f17307/attachment.htm From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 18:49:54 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:49:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connectionrefused') References: Message-ID: <00a501c188b5$914152c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> FW: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused')Let's see if we can isolate the probelm. What happens when you mail to the folks individually? What is your list set to use as it's base address (for mail)? Look in the web-admin at the bottom of the General Options page. What happens if you mail to the folks individually from an email client setup as the test-list-admin at host_base_address.com? Jon Carnes >> Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) All recipients refused: >> (111, 'Connection refused') >> Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) smtp for 1 recips, >> completed in 0.003 seconds >> >> I have seen other posts about this by nothing that works for me. >> Sendmail is running and serving mail for other pop3 accounts. >> Running Readhat 7.1. I am fresh out of ideas! All help would >> be gratefully received. From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 19:21:57 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:21:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got the bug screen References: Message-ID: <00ca01c188ba$0b63d0b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> You will need to modify a setting in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file (see the Defaults.py file for information). I think the setting is: # When set, the listinfo web page overview of lists on the machine will be # confined to only those lists whose web_page_url configuration option host is # included within the URL by which the page is visited - only those "on the # virtual host". If unset, then all lists are included in the overview. The # admin page overview always includes all the lists. VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Skjoldebrand" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:53 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got the bug screen > I've been fiddling with redirects from > www.forumsyd.net/lists to > www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo but in no way been > touching the Mailman files. All of a sudden I get > > Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > I include the error log but the only thing I can see is > > admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' > > Q: what permissions should this file have? > > ---------------------------------------- log file > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Dec 19 12:22:13 2001 admin(1471): > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > admin(1471): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----] > admin(1471): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(1471): Traceback (innermost last): > admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line > 96, in run_main > admin(1471): main() > admin(1471): File > "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 38, in main > admin(1471): FormatListinfoOverview() > admin(1471): File > "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 84, in > FormatListinfoOverview > admin(1471): mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) > admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", > line 79, in __init__ > admin(1471): self.Load() > admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", > line 892, in Load > admin(1471): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) > admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", > line 869, in __load > admin(1471): fp = open(dbfile) > admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' > admin(1471): [----- Python Information -----] > admin(1471): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, > 01:35:43) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 > admin(1471): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python > admin(1471): sys.prefix = /usr > admin(1471): sys.exec_prefix= /usr > admin(1471): sys.path = /usr > admin(1471): sys.platform = linux-i386 > admin(1471): [----- Environment Variables -----] > admin(1471): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /www/htdocs > admin(1471): SERVER_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 > admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, compress > admin(1471): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) > PHP/4.0.6 > admin(1471): QUERY_STRING: > admin(1471): SCRIPT_FILENAME: > /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo > admin(1471): SERVER_PORT: 80 > admin(1471): HTTP_HOST: www.forumsyd.net > admin(1471): REQUEST_METHOD: GET > admin(1471): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.20 > Server at www.forumsyd.net Port 80
> > admin(1471): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo > admin(1471): SERVER_ADMIN: martin at hauntedhousesw.com > admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en > admin(1471): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo > admin(1471): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman > admin(1471): REMOTE_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 > admin(1471): SERVER_NAME: www.forumsyd.net > admin(1471): REMOTE_PORT: 1113 > admin(1471): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Lynx/2.8.4dev.16 > libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 > admin(1471): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 > admin(1471): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 > admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/html, text/plain, > audio/mod, image/*, video/*, video/mpeg, application/pgp, > application/pgp, application/pdf, message/partial, > message/external-body, application/postscript, x-be2, > application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, text/enriched, > x-sun-attachment, audio-file, postscript-file, default, > mail-file, sun-deskset-message, > application/x-metamail-patch, application/msword, > text/sgml, */*;q=0.01 > > > > mvh/ Regards, > > Martin S. > CTO, Forum Syd > > "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at kanga.nu Wed Dec 19 20:11:47 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:11:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') In-Reply-To: Message from "Simon, imagine media" of "Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:41:50 +0100." References: Message-ID: <3100.1008789107@kanga.nu> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:41:50 +0100 imagine media Simon wrote: > Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) All recipients refused: (111, > 'Connection refused') Dec 19 15:20:02 2001 (24016) smtp for 1 > recips, completed in 0.003 seconds Your MTA is refusing the posts. See your MTA logs for details (most likely it is refusing to relay). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at Mon Dec 17 09:36:41 2001 From: kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at (Dipl.-Ing. Edith Kemeny) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:36:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011217092725.00b1eb00@pc6064.mos.siemens.at> Hi! I did not encount an error and this is no error report. I have a following problem, can you help me, or can you tell me, how can help me? I have a list created. Listname: testlist If I send a mail to 'testlist-request at pcc101.mos.siemens.at' or to 'testlist at pcc101.mos.siemens.at' with subject "help" or with body content "confirm xxxxxx" I always get the following anser: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist"... User unknown or the following error: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; pcc101.mos.siemens.at Received-From-MTA: DNS; scesie13.sie.siemens.at Arrival-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:14:26 +0100 What should I do, what is wrong? Thank you for your help. Best Regards DI Edith Kemeny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011217/b4c83d11/attachment.html From poper at fedro.ugr.es Mon Dec 17 12:35:39 2001 From: poper at fedro.ugr.es (Antonio M / PoPeR) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:35:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem trying to delete a mail-list in Cpanel, please help! Message-ID: <004d01c186ee$f517ca40$1810d696@poper> Hi all, My host provider preinstalled Mailman with CPanel/WHM server controller, I'm a newbie so I did this mistake: I have tried to create a mailing list, so I have used 'pop-page' as the list name. I have noticed since I did that I can't receive any e-mail sent to pop-page at pop-page.net, which is the main pop account of my site. I think the cause of this is that pop-page at pop-page.net is now being used by the mailing list. So I've tried to delete the list, but I can't. I get this message: ------- List Deleted The list pop-page at pop-page.net was successfully deleted. Remove the components of a mailing list with impunity - beware! This removes (almost) all traces of a mailing list. By default, the lists archives are not removed, which is very handy for retiring old lists. Usage: rmlist [-a] [-h] listname Where: --archives -a remove the lists archives too --help -h print this help message and exit List does not exist: "poppage_pop-page.net" -------- Although in the line it says 'the list was successfully deleted' when I go back to the mailing list maintenance, the list is still there. I think it can't be deleted because it's my main pop account, but, at the same time, I can't use this account because it's used by the mailing list!, so could you help me, please? I want to delete the mailing list in order to use the pop account. Thanks in advance Kind regards, Antonio J. Martinez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011217/00fb4892/attachment.htm From gzlatanov at moon.alliant.edu Mon Dec 17 18:33:06 2001 From: gzlatanov at moon.alliant.edu (George Zlatanov) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:33:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong version Message-ID: <003501c18720$e3c02c10$000310ac@alliant.edu> Hello, Mailman version for download from list.org location is version 2.0.7 and it should be 2.0.8. George From bumgarner at apple.com Mon Dec 17 19:35:37 2001 From: bumgarner at apple.com (Do=?ISO-8859-1?B?8Q==?=a Bumgarner) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:35:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about web admin for Mailman Message-ID: I am an admin for a list that uses Mailman on a Linux server. It is a moderated list, and between a recent increase in spam and a lack of attention to the backlog on my part, there are now somewhere around 400 messages waiting for "admin approval" (read: to be deleted). The problem I'm encountering is this: There are so many messages now that when I try to load the admin web page to process them, the page is so large that it loads partially, and then freezes my browser. This leads me to two questions: 1) Where are the messages waiting for approval stored? Can the server admin delete them directly from a folder or mailbox, bypassing the web admin? 2) Is there a way to do a mass or group delete from the web admin? All of the "needs approval" messages on my particular list are spam. Can I either pipe them directly to the trash, or even scan them on the web admin page and select a "delete all" function, rather than having to mark them one at a time? I'd really appreciate any help you can suggest. A frustrated list admin, Dona Bumgarner From david at gitman.net Tue Dec 18 15:32:34 2001 From: david at gitman.net (David Gitman) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:32:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate emails with wildcard aliasing Message-ID: <005001c187d0$d5807f00$6400a8c0@ack> I'm receiving duplicate emails from the mailman lists I subscribe to. List's using any other manager don't have this problem. I'm using wildcard aliasing for my domain. Could that be causing the duplicates? Thanks, David Gitman david at gitman.net www.gitman.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011218/c86a51ad/attachment.html From fil at rezo.net Tue Dec 18 21:41:07 2001 From: fil at rezo.net (Fil) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:41:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no way to comile: bumps on SimpleCookie Message-ID: <20011218214107.A31357@orwell.bok.net> I'm sorry it's been weeks and I don't understand why "make install" fails on my setup (current cvs). Each time it stops here: Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/mailbox.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 47, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 58, in ? from Mailman.SecurityManager import SecurityManager File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 62, in ? from Cookie import SimpleCookie as Cookie ImportError: cannot import name SimpleCookie make: *** [update] Error 1 -- Fil From moseley at hank.org Wed Dec 19 02:40:59 2001 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:40:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting cgi-gid right In-Reply-To: <20011218172443.P1313@nccom.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011218174059.01fcf114@pop3.hank.org> At 05:24 PM 12/18/01 -0800, Jim Gottlieb wrote: > The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as > set by the Web server. >confirming for me that the web server is running as group daemon, and I >did a full reconfigure and rebuild of mailman with >--with-cgi-gid=daemon I'm going to respond, although I might be wrong. I got hung up on this, too, and I wonder if I either got it wrong or if the INSTALL doc was confusing. It didn't make sense that they should be setguid as the webserver process as then they wouldn't have access. Did I get this messed up? > ls -l cgi-bin total 320 -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 30302 Nov 26 10:27 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 30306 Nov 26 10:27 admindb ... Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Wed Dec 19 18:22:58 2001 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:22:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] limiting posting Message-ID: Is there a setting to allow only administrators to post to the list? I've been trying to find one I noticed that the one list that Mailman hosts for developers makes a comment that only the administrators can post. TIF, Ron Warning: Dates on your calendar are closer than they appear. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 4939 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/58c3fd5d/attachment.rtf From gizim69 at juno.com Wed Dec 19 18:35:22 2001 From: gizim69 at juno.com (gizim69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:35:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List Addon Message-ID: <20011219.113529.-365519.10.GiZiM69@JuNo.CoM> Is there away to have mailman parse HTML emails and force them to be plain/text or is that in the works? ~ GiZiM ~ Reading your email since 1993' Programming is like sex, one screw up and your have to support it for the rest of your life D.A.R.E - Drugs Are Really Expensive ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From dabad at cidadei.com.br Wed Dec 19 21:48:09 2001 From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:48:09 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe without pass? Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C49E@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Hi, Sometime ago, I sent a message asking about some pacth that make the subscription without password... I mean, I wanna authenticate an user only with with it?s email address.... do you have some direction?? Tks. Daniel Martins Abad Analista de Suporte Tel: 3365-0186 dabad at cidadei.com.br #ICQ-64604947 Voc? tem o Webmail gratuito do Cidade Internet? http://webmail.cidadeinternet.com.br From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 22:10:28 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:10:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about web admin for Mailman References: Message-ID: <022001c188d1$961ab680$0b04010a@JCARNES> In general look at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp more specifically, cd ~mailman/data/ rm heldmsg-* Be sure to fill in the ... This will delete the messages but will not remove the record of the messages stored in a database called request.db. Still once you do this, you can go to the webadmin and after a long pause, it will detect that the held messages have been deleted. The web-admin will then empty the request.db database. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Do?a Bumgarner" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about web admin for Mailman > > I am an admin for a list that uses Mailman on a Linux server. It is a > moderated list, and between a recent increase in spam and a lack of > attention to the backlog on my part, there are now somewhere around 400 > messages waiting for "admin approval" (read: to be deleted). The problem > I'm encountering is this: There are so many messages now that when I try to > load the admin web page to process them, the page is so large that it loads > partially, and then freezes my browser. This leads me to two questions: > > 1) Where are the messages waiting for approval stored? Can the server admin > delete them directly from a folder or mailbox, bypassing the web admin? > > 2) Is there a way to do a mass or group delete from the web admin? All of > the "needs approval" messages on my particular list are spam. Can I either > pipe them directly to the trash, or even scan them on the web admin page and > select a "delete all" function, rather than having to mark them one at a > time? > > I'd really appreciate any help you can suggest. > > A frustrated list admin, > > Dona Bumgarner > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 22:12:59 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:12:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem trying to delete a mail-list in Cpanel, please help! References: <004d01c186ee$f517ca40$1810d696@poper> Message-ID: <022c01c188d1$eff97510$0b04010a@JCARNES> Dude, The only one who can help you is the sysadmin of the server. Talk to the IT people or support folks at the ISP. We're not being rude, we just can't help you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio M / PoPeR To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:35 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem trying to delete a mail-list in Cpanel, please help! Hi all, My host provider preinstalled Mailman with CPanel/WHM server controller, I'm a newbie so I did this mistake: I have tried to create a mailing list, so I have used 'pop-page' as the list name. I have noticed since I did that I can't receive any e-mail sent to pop-page at pop-page.net, which is the main pop account of my site. I think the cause of this is that pop-page at pop-page.net is now being used by the mailing list. So I've tried to delete the list, but I can't. I get this message: ------- List Deleted The list pop-page at pop-page.net was successfully deleted. Remove the components of a mailing list with impunity - beware! This removes (almost) all traces of a mailing list. By default, the lists archives are not removed, which is very handy for retiring old lists. Usage: rmlist [-a] [-h] listname Where: --archives -a remove the lists archives too --help -h print this help message and exit List does not exist: "poppage_pop-page.net" -------- Although in the line it says 'the list was successfully deleted' when I go back to the mailing list maintenance, the list is still there. I think it can't be deleted because it's my main pop account, but, at the same time, I can't use this account because it's used by the mailing list!, so could you help me, please? I want to delete the mailing list in order to use the pop account. Thanks in advance Kind regards, Antonio J. Martinez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/c347eecc/attachment.html From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 22:20:23 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:20:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem References: <5.0.0.25.2.20011217092725.00b1eb00@pc6064.mos.siemens.at> Message-ID: <023b01c188d2$f8bcd880$0b04010a@JCARNES> You have an "I" (that's a capital letter i) in the aliases file where a "|" (that's the character for pipe) should be. The actual line in your /etc/aliases file should read: testlist: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist" The pipe character "|" tells sendmail to transfer control to a external program and send the email as data to that program. If you have made an error this grave, you might want to look at hiring someone or bringing in a friend with a little more experience to help you out. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Dipl.-Ing. Edith Kemeny To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:36 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem Hi! I did not encount an error and this is no error report. I have a following problem, can you help me, or can you tell me, how can help me? I have a list created. Listname: testlist If I send a mail to 'testlist-request at pcc101.mos.siemens.at' or to 'testlist at pcc101.mos.siemens.at' with subject "help" or with body content "confirm xxxxxx" I always get the following anser: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist"... User unknown or the following error: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "I/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; pcc101.mos.siemens.at Received-From-MTA: DNS; scesie13.sie.siemens.at Arrival-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:14:26 +0100 What should I do, what is wrong? Thank you for your help. Best Regards DI Edith Kemeny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/a51c3c14/attachment.htm From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 22:27:42 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:27:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] limiting posting References: Message-ID: <025701c188d3$fe1db000$0b04010a@JCARNES> Yes. In the web-admin go to the Privacy page. Read the options on that page. It's easy. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] limiting posting Is there a setting to allow only administrators to post to the list? I've been trying to find one.I noticed that the one list that Mailman hosts for developers makes a comment that only the administrators can post. TIF, Ron Warning: Dates on your calendar are closer than they appear. From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 22:29:56 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:29:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List Addon References: <20011219.113529.-365519.10.GiZiM69@JuNo.CoM> Message-ID: <026501c188d4$4dd53ff0$0b04010a@JCARNES> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List Addon > Is there away to have mailman parse HTML emails and force them to be > plain/text > or is that in the works? > > ~ GiZiM ~ > Reading your email since 1993' > Programming is like sex, one screw up and your have to support it for the > rest of your life > D.A.R.E - Drugs Are Really Expensive From jonc at haht.com Wed Dec 19 22:31:42 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:31:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe without pass? References: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C49E@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Message-ID: <026e01c188d4$8d5affc0$0b04010a@JCARNES> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.005.htp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Abad" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe without pass? > Hi, > > Sometime ago, I sent a message asking about some pacth that make the > subscription without password... I mean, I wanna authenticate an user only > with with it?s email address.... do you have some direction?? > > Tks. > > > Daniel Martins Abad > Analista de Suporte > Tel: 3365-0186 > dabad at cidadei.com.br > #ICQ-64604947 > > Voc? tem o Webmail gratuito do Cidade Internet? > http://webmail.cidadeinternet.com.br > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ise at tao.ca Wed Dec 19 23:48:44 2001 From: ise at tao.ca (ISE) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:48:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MSGs in queue stuck Message-ID: Hello, I'm running mailman 2.0.8 on a FreeBSD system with postfix as a MTA. Mailman is running around 25 lists perfectly, minus one. For some strange reason, all the posts to this list are amassing in the "qfiles" directory. The list is unmoderated, so that is not the problem. Any ideas why this list is stuck? Thanks, Michael Caplan Institute for Social Ecology http://www.social-ecology.org/ 1118 Maple Hill Road Plainfield, VT, 05667 USA General Tel. / Fax.: 1 (802) 454-8493 From ise at tao.ca Thu Dec 20 00:05:20 2001 From: ise at tao.ca (ISE) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:05:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: MSGs in queue stuck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Strike my question. Duh! Check the error logs! Wrong permissions for the mbox... -----Original Message----- From: ISE [mailto:ise at tao.ca] Sent: December 19, 2001 5:49 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: MSGs in queue stuck Hello, I'm running mailman 2.0.8 on a FreeBSD system with postfix as a MTA. Mailman is running around 25 lists perfectly, minus one. For some strange reason, all the posts to this list are amassing in the "qfiles" directory. The list is unmoderated, so that is not the problem. Any ideas why this list is stuck? Thanks, Michael Caplan Institute for Social Ecology http://www.social-ecology.org/ 1118 Maple Hill Road Plainfield, VT, 05667 USA General Tel. / Fax.: 1 (802) 454-8493 From chris at platypus.net.au Thu Dec 20 04:48:23 2001 From: chris at platypus.net.au (Chris Goh) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:48:23 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troubleshooting mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004e01c18909$2d3d5630$96b56dcb@platypus.net.au> Hi all, I have just installed mailman and I am not sure how to debug this problem. Exim mainlogs yeild. 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kb-00 <= me at mydomain.com H=mymachine.mydomain.com (chris) [111.111.111.111] P=smtp S=1526 id=004d01c18908$892fa7f0$96b56dcb at mydomain.com 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kb-00 ** platypus-request at mydomain.com D=list_request_director T=list_request_transport: Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kh-00 <= <> R=16GuIz-0005kb-00 U=mail P=local S=2465 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kb-00 Error message sent to me at mydomain.com 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kb-00 Completed 2001-12-20 13:55:39 16GuIz-0005kh-00 => chris D=amavis_director T=amavis 2001-12-20 13:55:39 16GuIz-0005kh-00 Completed I am trying to find out what error 2 is from wrapper. Thanks for any help . Regards Chris G From hunter at userfriendly.net Thu Dec 20 06:14:19 2001 From: hunter at userfriendly.net (Michael B. Weiner) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from majordomo References: <3C207F92.20908@userfriendly.net> <007f01c188ad$312c6f80$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <3C2173AB.7090402@userfriendly.net> THANK you jon, some very good advice indeed. Here are some snippets from /var/mailman/logs/post: Dec 20 00:01:07 2001 (29336) post to test-list from root at userfriendly.net, size=153, 2 failures Dec 20 00:01:07 2001 (29336) post to test-list from mweiner at ag.com, size=870, 2 failures Dec 20 00:01:08 2001 (29336) post to test-list from test-list-admin at userfriendly.net, size=374, 1 failures Dec 20 00:01:08 2001 (29336) post to test-list from test-list-admin at userfriendly.net, size=307, 1 failures Dec 20 00:01:08 2001 (29336) post to test-list from mweiner at ag.com, size=832, 2 failures Dec 20 00:01:08 2001 (29336) post to test-list from test-list-admin at userfriendly.net, size=396, 1 failures /var/mailman/logs/smtp: Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 0.011 seconds Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.071 seconds /var/mailman/logs/smtp-failure: Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 test-list-admin at userfriendly.net (ignore) Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 hunter at userfriendly.net (ignore) Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 hunter at userfriendly.net (ignore) Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 mweiner at ag.com (ignore) Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 test-list-admin at userfriendly.net (ignore) as for the mta and smrsh, here is what i found in /etc/smrsh: 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 4 09:31 slocal -> /usr/lib/nmh/slocal* 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Dec 18 21:27 wrapper -> /var/mailman/mail/wrapper* and i checked and the local entries were indeed in /etc/mail/access but found this in the /etc/sendmail.cf Mprog, P=/usr/sbin/smrsh, Any further ideas or suggestions? Regards -- Jon Carnes wrote: >We really need to document this and add it to the FAQ... if it's not already >there. > >Check the mailman logs ~mailman/logs/... and see what they indicate. It's >likely one of two problems: > >The first is that the gid for your email wasn't correctly compiled >into the wrapper when you installed mailman. The wrapper will >print an error in the log files (~mailman/logs/...) telling you that it >got the wrong gid. This is a security measure and easy to fix, >but you have to re-install and specify the proper gid used by your >MTA (sendmail, postfix, qmail, exim, etc...) > >The second and more insidious problem is local routing. This is >all inside the MTA. You will need to make sure that localhost is >allowed to route via your MTA. Also Postfix has a few old >releases in which delivery via localhost is broken and cannot be >turned on. If you have Postfix, you must upgrade (or downgrade... >but who would do that!). Some MTA's such as Sendmail use >SMRSH and won't let the wrapper be used by the MTA until the >wrapper is properly identified to SMRSH. > >For Sendmail, check out /etc/mail/access and make sure that you >have entries similar to the following in there for "localhost": > localhost.localdomain RELAY > localhost RELAY > 127.0.0.1 RELAY > >Hope this helps, > >Jon Carnes > -- Michael B. Weiner, Linux+, Linux+ SME Systems Administrator/Partner The UserFriendly Network (UFN) -- Linux Registered User #94900 Have you been counted? http://counter.li.org PGP: 30 1D CC BA 30 30 63 35 CD 58 E0 89 A9 17 CC C0 8C 55 F7 72 ......... Escape the 'Gates' of Hell `:::' ....... ...... ::: * `::. ::' ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: `::. :' ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::. ::: .::. .:: ::. `::::. .:' ::. ...:::.....................::' .::::.. -- From john at nisus.com Thu Dec 20 06:16:51 2001 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:16:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases & 550 User unknown? Message-ID: OK I was experience the black hole effect with postings to the list; now I'm getting bounces. /etc/aliases looks like this mailman: me at other.f.q.d.n mailman-owner: mailman ## listname mailing list ## created: 2001-11-21 mailman listname: "|/Users/mailman/Documents/mailman/bin/mail/wrapper post listname" listname-admin: "|/Users/mailman/Documents/mailman/bin/mail/wrapper mailowner listname" listname-request: "|/Users/mailman/Documents/mailman/bin/mail/wrapper mailcmd listname" listname-owner: listname-admin and I did the newaliases. When I try to send to listname at this.f.q.d.n it bounces with <<< 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown hmmmmm, as does <<< 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown Restarting the system doesn't help. /Users/mailman/Documents/mailman/bin/mail/wrapper is a global read+executable. sendmail lets me send out from that system, and I can also send messages to my username on it. Just for the heck of it, I rmlisted it, and then did a newlist, cut & pasted the stuff for the /etc/aliases and did the newaliases thing... but no change. What am I missing? Mac OS X 10.1.1 sendmail 8.10.2-26.2 mailman 2.0.7 Apache 1.3.22 John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From chris at platypus.net.au Thu Dec 20 06:25:08 2001 From: chris at platypus.net.au (Chris Goh) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:25:08 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troubleshooting mailman In-Reply-To: <004e01c18909$2d3d5630$96b56dcb@platypus.net.au> Message-ID: <006301c18916$b1291530$96b56dcb@platypus.net.au> Hi all, I've been snooping around my system. I discovered this is what caused my problem - Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1245. (Reconfigure to take 1245?) I recompiled with-mail-gid. So now it doesnt return an error. Its down to learning how to use it now....wish me luck... Thanks everyone anyways... REgards -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chris Goh Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 13:48 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troubleshooting mailman Hi all, I have just installed mailman and I am not sure how to debug this problem. Exim mainlogs yeild. 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kb-00 <= me at mydomain.com H=mymachine.mydomain.com (chris) [111.111.111.111] P=smtp S=1526 id=004d01c18908$892fa7f0$96b56dcb at mydomain.com 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kb-00 ** platypus-request at mydomain.com D=list_request_director T=list_request_transport: Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kh-00 <= <> R=16GuIz-0005kb-00 U=mail P=local S=2465 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kb-00 Error message sent to me at mydomain.com 2001-12-20 13:55:37 16GuIz-0005kb-00 Completed 2001-12-20 13:55:39 16GuIz-0005kh-00 => chris D=amavis_director T=amavis 2001-12-20 13:55:39 16GuIz-0005kh-00 Completed I am trying to find out what error 2 is from wrapper. Thanks for any help . Regards Chris G ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Dec 20 06:41:43 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:41:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from majordomo In-Reply-To: <3C2173AB.7090402@userfriendly.net> References: <007f01c188ad$312c6f80$0b04010a@JCARNES> <3C2173AB.7090402@userfriendly.net> Message-ID: <01122000414306.01277@anncons.nc.rr.com> Are you out of disk space? On Thursday 20 December 2001 00:14, Michael B. Weiner wrote: > THANK you jon, some very good advice indeed. Here are some snippets from > /var/mailman/logs/post: > > Dec 20 00:01:07 2001 (29336) post to test-list from > root at userfriendly.net, size=153, 2 failures > Dec 20 00:01:07 2001 (29336) post to test-list from mweiner at ag.com, > size=870, 2 failures > Dec 20 00:01:08 2001 (29336) post to test-list from > test-list-admin at userfriendly.net, size=374, 1 failures > Dec 20 00:01:08 2001 (29336) post to test-list from > test-list-admin at userfriendly.net, size=307, 1 failures > Dec 20 00:01:08 2001 (29336) post to test-list from mweiner at ag.com, > size=832, 2 failures > Dec 20 00:01:08 2001 (29336) post to test-list from > test-list-admin at userfriendly.net, size=396, 1 failures > > /var/mailman/logs/smtp: > Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection > refused') > Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection > refused') > Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 0.011 > seconds Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) All recipients refused: (111, > 'Connection refused') > Dec 20 00:03:03 2001 (29414) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.071 > seconds > > /var/mailman/logs/smtp-failure: > Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 test-list-admin at userfriendly.net (ignore) > Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 hunter at userfriendly.net (ignore) > Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 hunter at userfriendly.net (ignore) > Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 mweiner at ag.com (ignore) > Dec 20 00:04:03 2001 (29429) -1 test-list-admin at userfriendly.net (ignore) > > as for the mta and smrsh, here is what i found in /etc/smrsh: > 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 4 09:31 slocal -> > /usr/lib/nmh/slocal* > 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Dec 18 21:27 wrapper -> > /var/mailman/mail/wrapper* > > and i checked and the local entries were indeed in /etc/mail/access > > but found this in the /etc/sendmail.cf > Mprog, P=/usr/sbin/smrsh, > > Any further ideas or suggestions? > > Regards > -- > > Jon Carnes wrote: > >We really need to document this and add it to the FAQ... if it's not > > already there. > > > >Check the mailman logs ~mailman/logs/... and see what they indicate. > > It's likely one of two problems: > > > >The first is that the gid for your email wasn't correctly compiled > >into the wrapper when you installed mailman. The wrapper will > >print an error in the log files (~mailman/logs/...) telling you that it > >got the wrong gid. This is a security measure and easy to fix, > >but you have to re-install and specify the proper gid used by your > >MTA (sendmail, postfix, qmail, exim, etc...) > > > >The second and more insidious problem is local routing. This is > >all inside the MTA. You will need to make sure that localhost is > >allowed to route via your MTA. Also Postfix has a few old > >releases in which delivery via localhost is broken and cannot be > >turned on. If you have Postfix, you must upgrade (or downgrade... > >but who would do that!). Some MTA's such as Sendmail use > >SMRSH and won't let the wrapper be used by the MTA until the > >wrapper is properly identified to SMRSH. > > > >For Sendmail, check out /etc/mail/access and make sure that you > >have entries similar to the following in there for "localhost": > > localhost.localdomain RELAY > > localhost RELAY > > 127.0.0.1 RELAY > > > >Hope this helps, > > > >Jon Carnes From pjc at tecate.off-road.com Thu Dec 20 07:14:17 2001 From: pjc at tecate.off-road.com (pjc@off-road.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:14:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Traffic Count References: <3.0.3.32.20011217152751.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: <140e01c1891d$8e66c040$6401a8c0@pjcoffice> Hi All, I am almost done with converting a dozen or so very busy lists from Majordomo to Mailman. I'd like to have a clue what the traffic is per list. has anyone created a way to do this on a per list basis? Thanks much From marc at perkel.com Thu Dec 20 08:19:57 2001 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:19:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Problem - Exim - Child Process Error Message-ID: <3C21911D.807C4A61@perkel.com> This is the error I'm getting. Running Redhat 7.2. What am I doing wrong? pipe to |/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post testmailman generated by testmailman at eff.org Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command: /var/mailman/mail/wrapper From kevin at upbeats.com Thu Dec 20 09:37:47 2001 From: kevin at upbeats.com (Kevin Phillips) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:37:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity Message-ID: <3C21A35B.31CB8BCF@upbeats.com> Hi, I'm Kevin and new to this list. Love mailman - it's great! Are there any capacity limitations as far as the number of names mailman can handle at a single time? Our company has a list of several million opt-in names that we want to transfer to mailman. So I guess it's two questions: 1)Can mailman administrate that many addresses? 2)Can mailman send to that many addresses at once (or does it need to be broken up into chunks)? Thanks! Kevin From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 20 10:01:54 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:01:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity In-Reply-To: Message from Kevin Phillips of "Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:37:47 PST." <3C21A35B.31CB8BCF@upbeats.com> References: <3C21A35B.31CB8BCF@upbeats.com> Message-ID: <8975.1008838914@kanga.nu> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:37:47 -0800 Kevin Phillips wrote: > Are there any capacity limitations as far as the number of names > mailman can handle at a single time? Explicitly no. In terms of runtime resource consumption, yes. > Our company has a list of several million opt-in names that we > want to transfer to mailman. Interesting. That is a suspiciously large number given that the second largest known list on the planet has just over 2 million subscribers. > 1)Can mailman administrate that many addresses? Technically, yes. Practically, no, especially not under 2.0.*. 2.1.* may work if used with an external data store (eg LDAP) for the subscriber base (there are some architectural questions in that regard). > 2)Can mailman send to that many addresses at once (or does it need > to be broken up into chunks)? Yes. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Wed Dec 19 21:26:12 2001 From: simon at imaginemedia.co.uk (Simon, imagine media) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:26:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') In-Reply-To: <20011219175525.GB83513@inscriber.com> Message-ID: The problem is definitely related to the interface settings for python to sendmail mailing. PHP and Pine both send email successfully to both locally and remotely hosted addresses. For interest I have found similar errors reported by Zope users: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zope/message/2645 Initially smtp was not running. This has now been set-up through Xinetd and is running: netstat -a Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 *:pop3 *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *:http *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 ns0.imagineinterne:smtp *:* LISTEN But still messages in qfiles are not being posted, and we get the same error in logs/smtp: Dec 20 09:12:03 2001 (10830) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Dec 20 09:12:03 2001 (10830) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds Which is not too helpful. Thoughts please?! Simon ***************** Simon Lorenz Systems Modelling Imagine Media Ltd simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Kennel House, Hammersley Lane, Penn, Bucks, HP10 8HE, UK t 01494 812890 f 01494 813151 m 07977 149955 From: Graham Dunn Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:55:25 -0500 To: "Simon, imagine media" Subject: Re: FW: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 05:15:54AM +0100, Simon, imagine media wrote: [snip] > > I get the same error messages even if sendmail is not running, there are > no locks files, and I am obviously missing some thing! I have just > reinstalled as per the dist. notes and sill nothing, and Christmas is > fast approaching ;-} Can you telnet to port 25 on this machine? I wonder if you've got a firewall rule or something lying around. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011219/5f0cfd08/attachment.html From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 20 10:32:52 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:32:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') In-Reply-To: Message from "Simon, imagine media" of "Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:26:12 +0100." References: Message-ID: <9208.1008840772@kanga.nu> On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:26:12 +0100 imagine media Simon wrote: > Which is not too helpful. Thoughts please?! Will you relay messages received from localhost? Will your MTA relay for the domain the list is sending from? (check your MTA logs). Note: Please do not send HTML to mailing lists. Its a great way to get yourself ignored. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Wed Dec 19 22:45:22 2001 From: simon at imaginemedia.co.uk (Simon, imagine media) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:45:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') In-Reply-To: <9208.1008840772@kanga.nu> Message-ID: I am sure that both localhost + the list domain are relayed through sendmail. How would you suggest I best test this to closly mirror the way qrunner trys to mail? simon ***************** Simon Lorenz Systems Modelling Imagine Media Ltd simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Kennel House, Hammersley Lane, Penn, Bucks, HP10 8HE, UK t 01494 812890 f 01494 813151 m 07977 149955 > From: J C Lawrence > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:32:52 -0800 > To: "Simon, imagine media" > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') > > On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:26:12 +0100 > imagine media Simon wrote: > >> Which is not too helpful. Thoughts please?! > > Will you relay messages received from localhost? > > Will your MTA relay for the domain the list is sending from? (check > your MTA logs). > > Note: Please do not send HTML to mailing lists. Its a great way to > get yourself ignored. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Thu Dec 20 06:27:00 2001 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:27:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got the bug screen In-Reply-To: <00ca01c188ba$0b63d0b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <00ca01c188ba$0b63d0b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: jonc at haht.com writes: >You will need to modify a setting in your >~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file >(see the Defaults.py file for information). I think the >setting is: > ># When set, the listinfo web page overview of lists on the >machine will be ># confined to only those lists whose web_page_url >configuration option host >is ># included within the URL by which the page is visited - >only those "on the ># virtual host". If unset, then all lists are included in >the overview. >The ># admin page overview always includes all the lists. >VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 It was set to 1in Defaults.py and I tried setting it to 0 in mm_cfg.py, restarted apache but it didn't solve the problem. Anyway, I fail to see how this would affect Mailman giving a bug report just because I accessed it through a redirect? It has worked nicely untill now - but now I get a bug report every time I access www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo - either directly or through a redirect. The admin page works though. Martin S >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Martin Skjoldebrand" > >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:53 AM >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got the bug screen > > >> I've been fiddling with redirects from >> www.forumsyd.net/lists to >> www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo but in no way been >> touching the Mailman files. All of a sudden I get >> >> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 >> We're sorry, we hit a bug! >> >> I include the error log but the only thing I can see is >> >> admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >> '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' >> >> Q: what permissions should this file have? >> >> ---------------------------------------- log file >> ------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> Dec 19 12:22:13 2001 admin(1471): >> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >> admin(1471): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----] >> admin(1471): [----- Traceback ------] >> admin(1471): Traceback (innermost last): >> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line >> 96, in run_main >> admin(1471): main() >> admin(1471): File >> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 38, in main >> admin(1471): FormatListinfoOverview() >> admin(1471): File >> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 84, in >> FormatListinfoOverview >> admin(1471): mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) >> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >> line 79, in __init__ >> admin(1471): self.Load() >> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >> line 892, in Load >> admin(1471): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) >> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >> line 869, in __load >> admin(1471): fp = open(dbfile) >> admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >> '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' >> admin(1471): [----- Python Information -----] >> admin(1471): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, >> 01:35:43) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 >> admin(1471): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python >> admin(1471): sys.prefix = /usr >> admin(1471): sys.exec_prefix= /usr >> admin(1471): sys.path = /usr >> admin(1471): sys.platform = linux-i386 >> admin(1471): [----- Environment Variables -----] >> admin(1471): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /www/htdocs >> admin(1471): SERVER_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 >> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, compress >> admin(1471): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) >> PHP/4.0.6 >> admin(1471): QUERY_STRING: >> admin(1471): SCRIPT_FILENAME: >> /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo >> admin(1471): SERVER_PORT: 80 >> admin(1471): HTTP_HOST: www.forumsyd.net >> admin(1471): REQUEST_METHOD: GET >> admin(1471): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.20 >> Server at www.forumsyd.net Port 80
>> >> admin(1471): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo >> admin(1471): SERVER_ADMIN: martin at hauntedhousesw.com >> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en >> admin(1471): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo >> admin(1471): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman >> admin(1471): REMOTE_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 >> admin(1471): SERVER_NAME: www.forumsyd.net >> admin(1471): REMOTE_PORT: 1113 >> admin(1471): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Lynx/2.8.4dev.16 >> libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 >> admin(1471): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 >> admin(1471): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 >> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/html, text/plain, >> audio/mod, image/*, video/*, video/mpeg, application/pgp, >> application/pgp, application/pdf, message/partial, >> message/external-body, application/postscript, x-be2, >> application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, text/enriched, >> x-sun-attachment, audio-file, postscript-file, default, >> mail-file, sun-deskset-message, >> application/x-metamail-patch, application/msword, >> text/sgml, */*;q=0.01 >> >> >> >> mvh/ Regards, >> >> Martin S. >> CTO, Forum Syd >> >> "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive >mad." >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." From hunter at userfriendly.net Thu Dec 20 12:53:26 2001 From: hunter at userfriendly.net (Michael B. Weiner) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:53:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from majordomo References: <007f01c188ad$312c6f80$0b04010a@JCARNES> <3C2173AB.7090402@userfriendly.net> <01122000414306.01277@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3C21D136.2050900@userfriendly.net> No i have 4.2G free on the disk Jon Carnes wrote: >Are you out of disk space? > -- Michael B. Weiner, Linux+, Linux+ SME Systems Administrator/Partner The UserFriendly Network (UFN) -- Linux Registered User #94900 Have you been counted? http://counter.li.org PGP: 30 1D CC BA 30 30 63 35 CD 58 E0 89 A9 17 CC C0 8C 55 F7 72 ......... Escape the 'Gates' of Hell `:::' ....... ...... ::: * `::. ::' ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: `::. :' ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::. ::: .::. .:: ::. `::::. .:' ::. ...:::.....................::' .::::.. -- From camel at lrllamas.com Thu Dec 20 12:51:37 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:51:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List Addon - strip all put photos????? In-Reply-To: <026501c188d4$4dd53ff0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <20011219.113529.-365519.10.GiZiM69@JuNo.CoM> <026501c188d4$4dd53ff0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011220115137.A31FA8289@camel.lrllamas.com> Will any of these allow a one specific type of attachment (like JPG) and filter out or strip all others?? (Listserv did this a while ago) On Wednesday 19 December 2001 04:29 pm, you wrote: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp > > > Is there away to have mailman parse HTML emails and force them to be > > plain/text > > or is that in the works? > > > > ~ GiZiM ~ > > Reading your email since 1993' > > Programming is like sex, one screw up and your have to support it for the > > rest of your life > > D.A.R.E - Drugs Are Really Expensive > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From hicking at du.gtn.com Thu Dec 20 14:48:41 2001 From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:48:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity In-Reply-To: <8975.1008838914@kanga.nu> References: Message from Kevin Phillips of "Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:37:47 PST." <3C21A35B.31CB8BCF@upbeats.com> Message-ID: <3C21FA49.23049.4FACDA8@localhost> J C Lawrence 20 Dec 2001, at 1:01: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:37:47 -0800 > Kevin Phillips wrote: > > > Are there any capacity limitations as far as the number of > > names mailman can handle at a single time? > > Explicitly no. In terms of runtime resource consumption, > yes. > > > Our company has a list of several million opt-in names > > that we want to transfer to mailman. > > Interesting. That is a suspiciously large number given that > the second largest known list on the planet has just over 2 > million subscribers. Just out of curiosity: Which one is this? And what would be the largest? From camel at lrllamas.com Thu Dec 20 15:01:06 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:01:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity In-Reply-To: <3C21FA49.23049.4FACDA8@localhost> References: <3C21A35B.31CB8BCF@upbeats.com> <3C21FA49.23049.4FACDA8@localhost> Message-ID: <20011220140107.36A43828C@camel.lrllamas.com> It *used* to be Art Bell's list... On Thursday 20 December 2001 08:48 am, you wrote: > J C Lawrence 20 Dec 2001, at 1:01: > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:37:47 -0800 > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From jonc at haht.com Thu Dec 20 16:24:23 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:24:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Traffic Count References: <3.0.3.32.20011217152751.024c7a60@pop3.hank.org> <140e01c1891d$8e66c040$6401a8c0@pjcoffice> Message-ID: <006d01c1896a$6765ad60$0b04010a@JCARNES> You should be able to write something up fairly easily that uses the logs and sends you a daily running tally. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pjc at off-road.com" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:14 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Traffic Count > Hi All, > > I am almost done with converting a dozen or so very busy lists from > Majordomo to Mailman. > > I'd like to have a clue what the traffic is per list. has anyone created a > way to do this on a per list basis? > > Thanks much > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Dec 20 16:33:32 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:33:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity In-Reply-To: <8975.1008838914@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On 12/20/01 1:01 AM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: >> Are there any capacity limitations as far as the number of names >> mailman can handle at a single time? > > Explicitly no. In terms of runtime resource consumption, yes. I'd be very wary, unless you have really large iron. The current mailman data structures would struggle with that much data. With 2.1 and an external database datastore, it will be better, but what that means is still unknown since we haven't tested it. I'd expect the bounce processing and the add/remove functions would have a big problem processing in a timely manner on Mailman 2.0.x. It's just not designed for this large a subscriber set. Also -- you can't just say "can it handle this?" -- you have to define "how quickly". If it can take a week to deliver, well, you could house this on a TRS-80. You need to understand what your performance requirements are, and size is just ONE piece of that. > Interesting. That is a suspiciously large number given that the > second largest known list on the planet has just over 2 million > subscribers. Really? I manage two larger than that (neither on mailman). I know I'm not the two largest lists, either. Not by a long-shot. I think your data is outdated. From marc at perkel.com Thu Dec 20 19:16:16 2001 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:16:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shell Error 2 ??? Message-ID: <3C222AF0.8B51785C@perkel.com> I'm having problems installing mailman. I installed it but I get this error (running with exim) This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: pipe to |/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post testmailman generated by testmailman at eff.org Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command: /var/mailman/mail/wrapper Does anyone know what causes this? From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 20 20:52:46 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:52:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') In-Reply-To: Message from "Simon, imagine media" of "Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:45:22 +0100." References: Message-ID: <6423.1008877966@kanga.nu> On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:45:22 +0100 imagine media Simon wrote: > I am sure that both localhost + the list domain are relayed > through sendmail. How would you suggest I best test this to closly > mirror the way qrunner trys to mail? Telnet to "localhost smtp" and then manually drive SMTP to send a message (and watch what happens). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Dec 20 20:56:35 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:56:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach of "Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:33:32 PST." References: Message-ID: <6599.1008878195@kanga.nu> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:33:32 -0800 Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 12/20/01 1:01 AM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: >> Interesting. That is a suspiciously large number given that the >> second largest known list on the planet has just over 2 million >> subscribers. > Really? I manage two larger than that (neither on mailman). Hurm. In my context above I'm assuming that "list" does not cover marketing lists per se but only what we'd historically/'net-wise consider a "mailing list" -- which really only seams to mean double-opt-in nowadays. > I know I'm not the two largest lists, either. Not by a > long-shot. I think your data is outdated. Could very well be. It was taken from a couple of the list moderators lists where it was repeated and confirmed. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Dec 20 21:02:37 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:02:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity In-Reply-To: <6599.1008878195@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On 12/20/01 11:56 AM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: >> Really? I manage two larger than that (neither on mailman). > > Hurm. In my context above I'm assuming that "list" does not cover > marketing lists per se but only what we'd historically/'net-wise > consider a "mailing list" Sorry, a list is a list. Especially since the original message was about a large opt-in list, which I take to mean e-marketing sort of by default. From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Thu Dec 20 22:25:03 2001 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:25:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a new list Message-ID: <20011220150350.B4160-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Running FreeBSD 4.4/Postfix/Mailman 2.0.5 I installed mailman via FreeBSD ports hierarchy a few days ago. I am playing around trying to get a test mailing list celled 'test'. Afterreading Chris Kolar's docs and the list.org docs, I got brave enough to try running the ./bin/newuser script. I got the following: pc047113# python -i newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: legg at iastate.edu Initial test password: Traceback (most recent call last): File "newlist", line 220, in ? main() File "newlist", line 169, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 786, in Create self.__lock.lock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock self.__write() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/locks/.l ock.pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu.4164' >>> I have a feeling there is something fundamental that I am missing here, and it is probably something rather stupid. This has stumped me for three days now though. Perhaps Mailman isn't running or something was missed during the ports install. Never found any docs where it was installed. Found lots of web documents on the user/list manager end of the software, but does anybody know of any further HOWTOs, docs for me to reference (interested in more administrative/installation)? Would I be better off removing it from ports and then downloading/compiling/installing manually? From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 20 22:26:54 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a new list In-Reply-To: <20011220150350.B4160-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Message-ID: I'm running a very similar setup with freeBSD 4.3/Postfix/mailman v2.08. In my opinion you'd be better off skipping the bsd port and just downloading the src for the latest stable mailman, ie: v.2.08. From there it should be a very clean and painless install. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Tim Legg Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:25 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a new list Running FreeBSD 4.4/Postfix/Mailman 2.0.5 I installed mailman via FreeBSD ports hierarchy a few days ago. I am playing around trying to get a test mailing list celled 'test'. Afterreading Chris Kolar's docs and the list.org docs, I got brave enough to try running the ./bin/newuser script. I got the following: pc047113# python -i newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: legg at iastate.edu Initial test password: Traceback (most recent call last): File "newlist", line 220, in ? main() File "newlist", line 169, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 786, in Create self.__lock.lock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock self.__write() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/locks/.l ock.pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu.4164' >>> I have a feeling there is something fundamental that I am missing here, and it is probably something rather stupid. This has stumped me for three days now though. Perhaps Mailman isn't running or something was missed during the ports install. Never found any docs where it was installed. Found lots of web documents on the user/list manager end of the software, but does anybody know of any further HOWTOs, docs for me to reference (interested in more administrative/installation)? Would I be better off removing it from ports and then downloading/compiling/installing manually? ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From chris at platypus.net.au Thu Dec 20 23:11:57 2001 From: chris at platypus.net.au (Chris Goh) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:11:57 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Problem - Exim - Child Process Error In-Reply-To: <3C21911D.807C4A61@perkel.com> Message-ID: <000201c189a3$572bb000$966d3acb@platypus.net.au> hi marc. the logs are kept in the mailman/logs dir....it will show that it has problem with gid.....you need to reconfig with set-gid=mailman....then make install again.... least that was what i did to fix it.... -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Marc Perkel Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 17:20 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Problem - Exim - Child Process Error This is the error I'm getting. Running Redhat 7.2. What am I doing wrong? pipe to |/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post testmailman generated by testmailman at eff.org Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command: /var/mailman/mail/wrapper ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From bob at bob.usuhs.mil Thu Dec 20 23:18:33 2001 From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:18:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] loops with "out of office/vacation" autoresponders Message-ID: <3C2263B9.39005CA4@bob.usuhs.mil> I've just been bitten by a "vacation" autoresponder setting up a loop with a mailman list I just started up. 5000 messages were sent to the members of the list before it was caught. This is not the first time that I've seen a massive loop response to an email listserver at our institution, (where many users use Groupwise). A few months ago we had a similar problem with a Majordomo list and the Groupwise "vacation" feature. I removed the offending member name, but now there appears to be a loop between the Groupwise server and the list-request address. Why do I not see more of this on other lists that I participate in? I manage the Xforms list, using Majordomo. I've never seen such a loop on Xforms. What is happening that makes lists here at USU so problematic when the "reply ot all members" feature is enabled? How do listservers in general deal with "vacation" autoresponder loops? Bob Williams From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Thu Dec 20 16:48:04 2001 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited Posting Message-ID: Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to allow only list admins to post to a list. I noticed that one of the developer lists for Mailman Announce List seems to be set up similar to what I want to do. The Mailman site states that only core developers can post to the list, yet others can subscribe to the list. When I want to configure my list, the tightest control (automatic) I can seem to get over the list is to allow only subscribers to post to the list. I don't want to have to review every post that gets sent to the list. If you know of a way to allow only list administrators to post to a list, please let me know. Thanks, Ron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 5328 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011220/9bd2c28f/attachment.rtf From dabad at cidadei.com.br Thu Dec 20 21:41:40 2001 From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:41:40 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible?? Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C4AA@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Hi, I?m using mailman nowadays but what I really need is to authenticate an user without use password... could it be possible??? I wanna subscribe any users without password. Does anybody knows about some pacth?? Tks, Daniel Martins Abad From davidd at ph.ucla.edu Thu Dec 20 23:08:58 2001 From: davidd at ph.ucla.edu (David Dow) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:08:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] file attachments Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011220140748.03ceca30@gholam.ph.ucla.edu> Hi, how do you strip file attachments from messages sent to mailman? I can't find that option in setup... thanks. David davidd at ph.ucla.edu http://gholam.ph.ucla.edu/~davidd/ Compromise. Such an adjustment of conflicting interests as gives each adversary the satisfaction of thinking he has got what he ought not to have, and is deprived of nothing except what was justly his due. Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914), U.S. author. The Devil?s Dictionary (1881-1906). From joe at bram.net Thu Dec 20 23:14:31 2001 From: joe at bram.net (Joe Saladino) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:14:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] html email Message-ID: <003a01c189a3$b320a460$1b427143@tornado> Hi: I have been using Majordomo for some time now and it is causing a problem with things like long html links. I was wondering if Mailman will work with HTML code or just plain text like Majordomo and if it will support attachments. Thanks for your help - Later, Joe Saladino [joe at freedomcommittee.com] Freedom & Privacy Committee [http://www.freedomcommittee.com] =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= Voice: (661) 267-0234 Fax: (503) 210-0369 Cell: (503) 209-6806 =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011220/459f34bf/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Thu Dec 20 23:35:21 2001 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:35:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] loops with "out of office/vacation" autoresponders In-Reply-To: <3C2263B9.39005CA4@bob.usuhs.mil> References: <3C2263B9.39005CA4@bob.usuhs.mil> Message-ID: <15394.26537.182587.247321@beluga.mojam.com> [ ... 5000 "I'm away for the holidays" messages - what fun ... ] Robert> Why do I not see more of this on other lists that I participate Robert> in? I manage the Xforms list, using Majordomo. I've never seen Robert> such a loop on Xforms. What is happening that makes lists here Robert> at USU so problematic when the "reply ot all members" feature is Robert> enabled? The broken vacation program replies to the Reply-To address which is ... shazam! ... the entire list. That message gets forwarded to the email address of the person vacationing in the Bahamas and the cycle repeats. I would think the potential damage this can cause is severe enough in repy-to-all lists to motivate list managers to not set up their lists that way. Assuming Xforms is set up as a reply-to-all list, perhaps Majordomo has more sophisticated heuristics in place than Mailman about such stuff. It wouldn't be the first time a more mature program had more features than a less mature program. (I'm not saying Mailman isn't mature, just that since Majordomo has been around longer, it's had more time to collect such features.) It may just also be that you've been blessed with good luck on the Xforms list and haven't run into such problems. Runaway vacation programs are, in the grand scheme of things, actually fairly rare. I run the Mojam and Musi-Cal websites. We have an auto-notify feature that lets people subscribe to specific searches. When new stuff turns up, it sends them a message. In addition, the websites themselves supports a couple email aliases that function (in part) as autoresponders. Over the nearly eight years I'm been running this stuff I've only encountered 20-30 instances of such bad responders. Now that your users have seen the potential damage from such runaway responders, you might explain to them that the reply-to-all setup had a hand in this debacle and ask them if they'd prefer that "feature" be turned off... -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From alex at phred.org Thu Dec 20 23:37:20 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:37:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] file attachments In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011220140748.03ceca30@gholam.ph.ucla.edu> Message-ID: <20011220143530.G69653-100000@phred.org> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, David Dow wrote: > Hi, how do you strip file attachments from messages sent to mailman? > I can't find that option in setup... You get a 3rd party tool which strips it, or you download the unsupported patches to do so from sourceforge. http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl is one tool http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html is another tool alex From claw at kanga.nu Fri Dec 21 00:00:18 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:00:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] loops with "out of office/vacation" autoresponders In-Reply-To: Message from Robert Williams of "Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:18:33 EST." <3C2263B9.39005CA4@bob.usuhs.mil> References: <3C2263B9.39005CA4@bob.usuhs.mil> Message-ID: <12927.1008889218@kanga.nu> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:18:33 -0500 Robert Williams wrote: > Why do I not see more of this on other lists that I participate > in? A more clueful user base? > How do listservers in general deal with "vacation" autoresponder > loops? Ultimately there is nothing you can do. Any system you build will rely on some levels of standards compliance, and, well, unsurprisingly the problem is due to vacation programs not complying to standards. This is one of the many reasons I hand moderate my lists. Another common approach is to limit the number of posts a given user can make per day/period without moderation overview. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From joe at bram.net Thu Dec 20 23:47:40 2001 From: joe at bram.net (Joe Saladino) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:47:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] html email Message-ID: <000001c189a8$54a40170$1b427143@tornado> Hi: I have been using Majordomo for some time now and it is causing a problem with things like long html links. I was wondering if Mailman will work with HTML code or just plain text like Majordomo and if it will support attachments. Thanks for your help From deanna at indymedia.org Fri Dec 21 04:07:43 2001 From: deanna at indymedia.org (Deanna Phillips) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner and db errors. Message-ID: <20011220220743.A19630@iglou.com> Hi, We recently moved our old Mailman list server (sendmail and Mailman 2.0) to a new machine (Postfix and Mailman 2.0.6). Since then I've noticed that qfiles seem to be getting corrupted: from ~mailman/logs/qrunner, lots of messages like this: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/d9e9154a49f2cdce2ffc5d74855a3e1eac85c331.db' Dec 20 21:47:01 2001 (20660) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/d9e9154a49f2cdce2ffc5d74855a3e1eac85c331 At first there were just a few messages in the qfiles directory causing these errors, and I deleted them, only to find it happen again to new messages that appear to be error-free, regular old mail messages when I look at the qfiles/*.msg versions. Also, in the error log, lots and lots of these: Dec 20 21:57:04 2001 (20959) Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected Dec 20 21:57:04 2001 (20959) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 140, in process hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in hold_for_approval mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage self.__opendb() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb self.__db = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected And the nightly crons are failing: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main count = mlist.NumRequestsPending() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending self.__opendb() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb self.__db = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected And yet, with all these errors, things seem to be working all right. Most messages are getting delivered, except for the odd ones that cause the errors in the qrunner log. By reading the archives of this list I get the impression that this is caused by a corrupted db file somewhere, but when I run ~mailman/bin/check_db I am told that they are all fine. Anyone know what's going on? Thanks very much, Deanna From twchiou at ms6.hinet.net Fri Dec 21 09:43:42 2001 From: twchiou at ms6.hinet.net (hinet) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:43:42 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman VS. Base64 encoding In-Reply-To: <20011214183009.DC39E81AD@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: Dear all, It seems Mailman 2.0.6 can't process the base64 encoding e-mail, so the Footer can't be appended to the e-mail correctly, and the archives are all base64 encoded, do anyone has any suggesttion? regards Caleb From rodolfo at linux.org.uy Fri Dec 21 13:32:29 2001 From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: 21 Dec 2001 09:32:29 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs] Message-ID: <1008937950.2718.1.camel@claudia> Somebody can explain me what this message means?? Thank you. -----Mensaje reenviado----- From: Cron Daemon Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs Date: 20 Dec 2001 12:00:02 -0500 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 104, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 67, in main text = text + '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 82, in pending_requests when, addr, passwd, digest, lang = mlist.GetRecord(id) ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 21 15:20:17 2001 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:20:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs] In-Reply-To: <1008937950.2718.1.camel@claudia> References: <1008937950.2718.1.camel@claudia> Message-ID: <15395.17697.924439.562163@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> Rodolfo> Somebody can explain me what this message means?? ... Rodolfo> when, addr, passwd, digest, lang = mlist.GetRecord(id) Rodolfo> ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size It means that the list or tuple returned by mlist.GetRecord(id) didn't have a length of 5. To figure out what size it is, you might try this: stuff = mlist.GetRecord(id) print ">> output:", stuff when, addr, passwd, digest, lang = stuff -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From andreas at rittershofer.de Fri Dec 21 18:29:07 2001 From: andreas at rittershofer.de (Andreas Rittershofer) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:29:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] force system wide settings Message-ID: <20011221173325.DF781BAC0@mx.headlight.de> Is it possible as a site administrator to force side wide settings, which cannot be overridden by a list owner? For example, I want to strictly set a message size limit of 40kB, so even a list owner cannot set a greater limit. Is this possible? How? mfg ar -- mailto:andreas at rittershofer.de http://www.rittershofer.de PGP-Public-Key http://www.rittershofer.de/ari.htm From andreas at rittershofer.de Fri Dec 21 21:36:08 2001 From: andreas at rittershofer.de (Andreas Rittershofer) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:36:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] force system wide settings In-Reply-To: <014401c18a51$d8e16a00$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011221204028.BB319BAD6@mx.headlight.de> On 21 Dec 01, at 14:00, Jon Carnes wrote: > You can setup a cron job that run nightly and uses > ~mailman/bin/config_list to dump out each lists configuration and check on > the settings. You can then have the script reset the message size limit > to 40kb if an admin has raised it. Thanks for the idea, but is there no way built in to Mailman? This one isn't really straight. mfg ar -- mailto:andreas at rittershofer.de http://www.rittershofer.de PGP-Public-Key http://www.rittershofer.de/ari.htm From marc at perkel.com Fri Dec 21 21:50:42 2001 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:50:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Message-ID: <3C23A0A2.E5B7CD7@perkel.com> I can't seem to find documentation on this. I have 3 lists ListA ListB and ListC Now I want to make an umbrella list - ListABC I want it so that only members of ListA - ListB and ListC can send to ListABC How do I do that? From hillson at iastate.edu Fri Dec 21 22:39:53 2001 From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:39:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange qfiles behavior Message-ID: I have had three lists now show a strange problem, they que up a message to send to a list and just stop. The message is never sent. But messages sent to the server before and after this are sent. Can anyone give me any ideas where to start on this on. It is Running on RedHat 7.2 on a Dell 2400 Server with Dual PII 600, 512mb Ram, 12gb Ram for MTA is Sendmail. I see no errors in any of the logs. The only way I know I have a problem is to send a message and not get a copy of it. When I look in the qfiles the message is there, but it does not go out. If I send another message to the same list it may or may not get stopped. If I clear all messages from the qfiles and send the message again it goes through. This is an intermittent problem and Tom -- /--------------------------------------------------------- | Tom Hillson Computer Services Manager | hillson at iastate.edu College of Agriculture | http://www.ag.iastate.edu Iowa State University | (515) 294-1543 phone B2 Curtiss Hall | (515) 294-1349 fax Ames, IA 50011 --------------------------------------------------------- |"The only thing I have too much of is too little time" From cwieland at uci.edu Fri Dec 21 23:04:49 2001 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:04:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do you use the Mailman-htdig integration patches? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011130113639.0301f008@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: Happy Holidays Just catching up on some of the archives so forgive my belated response. I use and would like to see the patches integrated in 2.1 I think it's very usefulI. I maintain a fairly active server with ~500 (and growing) lists at UCI. My two cents Con Wieland University of California at Irvine At 3:57 AM -0800 11/30/01, Richard Barrett wrote: >Having posted Mailman-htdig integration patches on sourceforge and >subsequently maintained them I am interested in finding out how many sites >have adopted the patches and want to continue using them. The patches I'm >referring to are: > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&at >id=300103 > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&at >id=300103 > >and their earlier incarnations 401669/401670: > >I'm asking for two reasons: > >1. to gauge the likely demand for MM 2.1 compatible version of the patch >and how urgently it is needed. btw: I've got a MM 2.1a3 compatible version >of the patches about to be tested and hope to post them on sourceforge next >week. > >2. to see if there is sufficient demand for the patch being integrated with >the main development trunk of MM. If enough users say they want it then >presumably the primary MM developers will consider a request to fold the >patch into the main development line post the MM 2.1 release. My motives >here are fairly selfish in that I'd like to avoid having to redevelop and >test the patch again for the next major MM release after 2.1 > >Reply off list would probably be appropriate. I will collate the responses >and post to the list a summary of the interest expressed. > >Thanks > >Richard > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From hunter at userfriendly.net Sat Dec 22 00:11:50 2001 From: hunter at userfriendly.net (Michael B. Weiner) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:11:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem References: <5.0.0.25.2.20011217092725.00b1eb00@pc6064.mos.siemens.at> <023b01c188d2$f8bcd880$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <3C23C1B6.9050102@userfriendly.net> Does anyone on the list have experience with the redhat mailman RPM install? I am having difficulty getting this working and was curious as to whether it was me or what? I am running RedHat Release 7.2 Linux 2.4.9 with apache-1.3.22 sendmail-8.11.6 mailman-2.0.8 Regards -- Michael B. Weiner, Linux+, Linux+ SME Systems Administrator/Partner The UserFriendly Network (UFN) -- Linux Registered User #94900 Have you been counted? http://counter.li.org PGP: 30 1D CC BA 30 30 63 35 CD 58 E0 89 A9 17 CC C0 8C 55 F7 72 ......... Escape the 'Gates' of Hell `:::' ....... ...... ::: * `::. ::' ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: `::. :' ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::. ::: .::. .:: ::. `::::. .:' ::. ...:::.....................::' .::::.. -- From mojo at whiteoaks.com Sat Dec 22 02:17:19 2001 From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:17:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem In-Reply-To: <3C23C1B6.9050102@userfriendly.net> Message-ID: I'm using mailman on RedHat 7.2, and I saw that it was installed with the system. But I backed away from using the rpm, and built a fresh install from scratch. It's really pretty simple, and makes it easier to keep up on patches. The problems I saw were that the mailman $prefix directory was in /var instead of /home (non mailman default), and the version included was 2.0.6, not the latest. Mojo On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Michael B. Weiner wrote: > Does anyone on the list have experience with the redhat mailman RPM > install? I am having difficulty getting this working and was curious as > to whether it was me or what? > > I am running RedHat Release 7.2 Linux 2.4.9 with apache-1.3.22 > sendmail-8.11.6 mailman-2.0.8 > > Regards > > -- Morris Jones <*> San Rafael, CA mojo at whiteoaks.com http://www.whiteoaks.com From jessica at anticlockwise.com Sat Dec 22 04:00:46 2001 From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:00:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] what to do when you have list *and* list -admin? Message-ID: <200112220300.fBM30kC32540@lenin.anticlockwise.com> I'm using mailman at home for some lists, and really like it. I'm now setting it up for someone who has been hosting a whole bunch of lists. Unfortunately, I've doscovered that in two cases, he has bot and -admin lists. This doesn't work with mailman because I need to put -admin into the aliases file for . For example, if we have lists foo and foo-admin, i'd wind up with foo: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post foo" foo-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner foo" foo-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foo" foo-owner: foo-admin foo-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post foo-admin" foo-admin-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner foo-admin" foo-admin-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foo-admin" foo-admin-owner: foo-admin-admin But... I can't wind up with two foo-admin aliases, so this doesn't work. How should I deal with this? (Other than telling these guys they either can't use mailman or they can't have a list called "something-admin" if they also have a list called "something". I definitely want to use mailman, so I hope there's a solution!) Thanks!! --jessica From kachel at muenster.de Sat Dec 22 08:33:39 2001 From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:33:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] what to do when you have list *and* list -admin? In-Reply-To: <200112220300.fBM30kC32540@lenin.anticlockwise.com> References: <200112220300.fBM30kC32540@lenin.anticlockwise.com> Message-ID: <1701865322.20011222083339@muenster.de> Hello Jessica, hi all, On 22 Dec 2001, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] what to do when you have list *and* list -admin? > How should I deal with this? (Other than telling these guys they > either can't use mailman or they can't have a list called "something-admin" > if they also have a list called "something". I definitely want to use > mailman, so I hope there's a solution!) I thing, that it is the best solution to change the name for the second list. Many list-robots use -admin as the adress for the Admin or Moderator of the list, for example Mailman and Majordomo. So it is nearly a standard, because it is often used. On my system all Mailinglists have -ml appended. To take your Example: foo-ml: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post foo-ml" foo-ml-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner foo-ml" foo-ml-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foo-ml" foo-ml-owner: foo-ml-admin foo-admin-ml: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post foo-admin-ml" foo-admin-ml-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner foo-admin-ml" foo-admin-ml-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foo-admin-ml" foo-admin-ml-owner: foo-admin-ml-admin If you can see there is no problem with this combination. Another positiv reason is that you can see if it is a normal address or a mailinglist. Hope you understand it, because my english isn't the best. Bye Markus -- E-Mail: kachel at muenster.de Homepage: http://www.kachelonline.de From viju123 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 10:59:14 2001 From: viju123 at yahoo.com (Vijay Kamath) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:59:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail bounces while trying to post Message-ID: <20011222095914.67009.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I have just installed mailman and the installation went smoothly. I also did all the post installation steps i.e creating the crontab entries and editing the aliases file. I also ran the newaliases program manaully. I created a test list and tried to post a message but the message bounced back with the error message from the list server stating that the recipient does not exist. Please can someone help me how to figure this out. Thanks in advance, Vijay. I will live forever, or die trying. "When the world has no fences, who the hell needs Gates !!! " "If you think of MS-DOS as mono, and Windows as stereo, then Linux is Dolby Pro-Logic Surround Sound with Bass Boost and all the music is free." -- Brendan Bradley --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011222/edf0addd/attachment.htm From bob at bob.usuhs.mil Sat Dec 22 11:08:12 2001 From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 05:08:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] loops with "out of office/vacation" autoresponders References: <3C2263B9.39005CA4@bob.usuhs.mil> <12927.1008889218@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3C245B8C.39AE2E77@bob.usuhs.mil> J C Lawrence wrote: > ... > unsurprisingly the problem is due to vacation programs not complying > to standards. > > This is one of the many reasons I hand moderate my lists. Another > common approach is to limit the number of posts a given user can > make per day/period without moderation overview. Yes...limit the number of posts... How is this done with Mailman? I've looked at the admin documentation and inspected the configuration tool, and I don't see such an animal. Bob Willaims From claw at kanga.nu Sat Dec 22 11:05:29 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 02:05:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] loops with "out of office/vacation" autoresponders In-Reply-To: Message from Robert Williams of "Sat, 22 Dec 2001 05:08:12 EST." <3C245B8C.39AE2E77@bob.usuhs.mil> References: <3C2263B9.39005CA4@bob.usuhs.mil> <12927.1008889218@kanga.nu> <3C245B8C.39AE2E77@bob.usuhs.mil> Message-ID: <10320.1009015529@kanga.nu> On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 05:08:12 -0500 Robert Williams wrote: > Yes...limit the number of posts... How is this done with Mailman? Currently Mailman does not support such a feature. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Sat Dec 22 12:19:17 2001 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:19:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman unuseable! Message-ID: jonc at haht.com writes: >>You will need to modify a setting in your >>~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file >>(see the Defaults.py file for information). I think the >>setting is: >> >># When set, the listinfo web page overview of lists on the >>machine will be >># confined to only those lists whose web_page_url >>configuration option host >>is >># included within the URL by which the page is visited - >>only those "on the >># virtual host". If unset, then all lists are included in >>the overview. >>The >># admin page overview always includes all the lists. >>VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 > It was set to 1in Defaults.py and I tried setting it to 0 in mm_cfg.py, restarted apache but it didn't solve the problem. Anyway, I fail to see how this would affect Mailman giving a bug report just because I accessed it through a redirect? It has worked nicely untill now - but now I get a bug report every time I access www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo - either directly or through a redirect. The admin page works though. Martin S >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Martin Skjoldebrand" >> >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:53 AM >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got the bug screen >> >> >>> I've been fiddling with redirects from >>> www.forumsyd.net/lists to >>> www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo but in no way been >>> touching the Mailman files. All of a sudden I get >>> >>> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 >>> We're sorry, we hit a bug! >>> >>> I include the error log but the only thing I can see is >>> >>> admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >>> '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' >>> >>> Q: what permissions should this file have? >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- log file >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dec 19 12:22:13 2001 admin(1471): >>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>> admin(1471): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----] >>> admin(1471): [----- Traceback ------] >>> admin(1471): Traceback (innermost last): >>> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line >>> 96, in run_main >>> admin(1471): main() >>> admin(1471): File >>> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 38, in >main >>> admin(1471): FormatListinfoOverview() >>> admin(1471): File >>> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 84, in >>> FormatListinfoOverview >>> admin(1471): mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) >>> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >>> line 79, in __init__ >>> admin(1471): self.Load() >>> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >>> line 892, in Load >>> admin(1471): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) >>> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >>> line 869, in __load >>> admin(1471): fp = open(dbfile) >>> admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >>> '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' >>> admin(1471): [----- Python Information -----] >>> admin(1471): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, >>> 01:35:43) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 >>> admin(1471): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python >>> admin(1471): sys.prefix = /usr >>> admin(1471): sys.exec_prefix= /usr >>> admin(1471): sys.path = /usr >>> admin(1471): sys.platform = linux-i386 >>> admin(1471): [----- Environment Variables -----] >>> admin(1471): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /www/htdocs >>> admin(1471): SERVER_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 >>> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, compress >>> admin(1471): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) >>> PHP/4.0.6 >>> admin(1471): QUERY_STRING: >>> admin(1471): SCRIPT_FILENAME: >>> /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo >>> admin(1471): SERVER_PORT: 80 >>> admin(1471): HTTP_HOST: www.forumsyd.net >>> admin(1471): REQUEST_METHOD: GET >>> admin(1471): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.20 >>> Server at www.forumsyd.net Port 80
>>> >>> admin(1471): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo >>> admin(1471): SERVER_ADMIN: martin at hauntedhousesw.com >>> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en >>> admin(1471): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo >>> admin(1471): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman >>> admin(1471): REMOTE_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 >>> admin(1471): SERVER_NAME: www.forumsyd.net >>> admin(1471): REMOTE_PORT: 1113 >>> admin(1471): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Lynx/2.8.4dev.16 >>> libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 >>> admin(1471): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 >>> admin(1471): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 >>> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/html, text/plain, >>> audio/mod, image/*, video/*, video/mpeg, >application/pgp, >>> application/pgp, application/pdf, message/partial, >>> message/external-body, application/postscript, x-be2, >>> application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, text/enriched, >>> x-sun-attachment, audio-file, postscript-file, default, >>> mail-file, sun-deskset-message, >>> application/x-metamail-patch, application/msword, >>> text/sgml, */*;q=0.01 >>> >>> >>> >>> mvh/ Regards, >>> >>> Martin S. >>> CTO, Forum Syd >>> >>> "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive >>mad." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From kd5de at nwla.com Sat Dec 22 14:15:26 2001 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:15:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cosmetic Changes Message-ID: <3C24876E.CB1C2B44@nwla.com> Is there a way to modify the global list info page for a site. I have 12 list on one server that belong to one client. On the global list info page (where all the list available are displayed) the email link for questions and comments points to mailman-owner at servername. Can I modify this to point to the list administrator for the list. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From hunter at userfriendly.net Sat Dec 22 17:59:54 2001 From: hunter at userfriendly.net (Michael B. Weiner) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Problem References: Message-ID: <3C24BC0A.3060406@userfriendly.net> I figured it all out....and actually it takes a some small amount of understanding of how python and the python-interpreter work. When making ANY changes to ANY of the *.py files under mailman, you must delete the corresponding *.pyc (compiled py for faster processing through the python interpreter). Example, i modified the ~/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and in order to re-read that module back into the python-interpreter again only this time read the new information modified in the .py do this: /var/mailman/Mailman# python Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul 5 2001, 03:02:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> import mm_cfg >>> (A CTRL-D exits the interpreter) then an ls -la will show that the *.pyc has been created and that is the module currently in the python-interpreter's memory. Same applies with the ~/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py and any others....when making changes, remove the old *.pyc and re-import into the python-interpreter to re-read the changes. Regards -- Michael B. Weiner, Linux+, Linux+ SME Systems Administrator/Partner The UserFriendly Network (UFN) -- Linux Registered User #94900 Have you been counted? http://counter.li.org PGP: 30 1D CC BA 30 30 63 35 CD 58 E0 89 A9 17 CC C0 8C 55 F7 72 ......... Escape the 'Gates' of Hell `:::' ....... ...... ::: * `::. ::' ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: `::. :' ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::. ::: .::. .:: ::. `::::. .:' ::. ...:::.....................::' .::::.. -- From jessica at anticlockwise.com Sat Dec 22 20:32:24 2001 From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:32:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] what to do when you have list *and* list -admin? In-Reply-To: Message from Markus Kachel of "Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:33:39 +0100." <1701865322.20011222083339@muenster.de> Message-ID: <200112221932.fBMJWOC25586@lenin.anticlockwise.com> Markus Kachel wrote: > >I thing, that it is the best solution to change the name for the >second list. Many list-robots use -admin as the adress for the >Admin or Moderator of the list, for example Mailman and Majordomo. So >it is nearly a standard, because it is often used. Hi Markus, I definitely understand - and I agree with you completely! But, the ultimate decision doesn't lie in my hands, as the lists have been around for a while and are run by someone else, who may not want to change the names. :/ I've asked if we can change them, but don't have an answer yet. Meantime, I'm going to see if I can change mailman to use something else, just in case the answer comes back "no". --jessica From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Sat Dec 22 20:55:28 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:55:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman Problem References: <3C24BC0A.3060406@userfriendly.net> Message-ID: <3C24E530.CE9F2E67@utopia.west.sun.com> > When making ANY changes to ANY of the *.py files under mailman, you must > delete the corresponding *.pyc (compiled py for faster processing > through the python interpreter). Not true; the interpreter compares the dates and regenerates the .pyc if necessary. Without clock glitches, that should work fine. From lists at xpec.com Sat Dec 22 21:06:06 2001 From: lists at xpec.com (J.D. Bronson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:06:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011222140019.00a72c28@molson.xpec.com> I have an issue I need some advice on. We use the gate_news feature to get usenet news -> to email and it works well. It is set as default to poll each 5mins. I have suddenly and unexplainably run into a problem with my NNTP provider (giganews.com)... I get AUTHENTICATION REQUIRED even when I am supplying the correct login/pass. So...after contacting them - I discovered the following: We are indeed connecting each 5mins, but authenticating more than 1X. I have 12 lists that I created that 'suck' news feeds. It seems that the script will login/logout for each of these groups (rather than login 1X and grab ALL the news from ALL the groups at once)...this happening all at once is annoying the AUTH server and therefore denying access with a stupid error. I usually get a few posts for the 1st few groups and then BOMB out. What can I do to correct this supposed incorrect behavior? I am running mailman 2.0.8 under OpenBSD 3.0 - any comments or advice would be appreciated. The NNTP provider claims this is not their issue to fix, and I have a problem with that. But, since they are unwilling to do anything, I need to 'shim' it on my end. Jeff From sdenny at casadenny.com Sun Dec 23 02:03:04 2001 From: sdenny at casadenny.com (Stephen Denny) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:03:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Password Reminders Not Sent Message-ID: I found this (below) in the archives. Is it still true on 2.0.7 - one public list is necessary? Regards, Stephen Dan Mick dan.mick at west.sun.com Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:54:50 -0800 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacopo Silva wrote: > > Hi all, > my (2) mailman installations (2.0.1) seem to > work ok, but I still cannot get the sending of > monthly password reminders. > [snip] > even if I exec python -S mailpasswds manually I do not > get nothing sent to users, but the script exits normally. > > How can I debug this failure? What am I missing? There has to be at least one public list for the reminders to work. I'm not sure why this is. -- Stephen Denny sdenny at casadenny.com From bryan_lists at netmeme.org Sun Dec 23 19:06:26 2001 From: bryan_lists at netmeme.org (Bryan Field-Elliot) Date: 23 Dec 2001 11:06:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman a good fit for bulk mailing? Message-ID: <1009130786.20400.34.camel@c1593933-a.boulder1.co.home.com> I run a website wherein potential customers are volunteering their email addresses in order to receive product updates, etc. Again, just to be clear -- I run an *opt-in* mailing list of ads for a company. We've gotten started with Mailman (2.0.8), and while it's a great discussion engine, it doesn't seem to be very well suited for bulk mailing etc. For example, I was asked, "how do I know which people have received which mailings, etc.?", and of course I had no good answer based upon Mailman's capabilities. My questions are: 1. Are there features or usage patterns of Mailman (2.0.8) which are recommended for my use cases? 2. Will Mailman 2.1 have more features in this area? 3. Is there some other package entirely which I should be looking at, rather than Mailman? (GPL or similarly-licensed, preferably). Thank you, Bryan From pavel at papillon.ntu.edu.au Mon Dec 24 04:33:42 2001 From: pavel at papillon.ntu.edu.au (Pavel Stulik) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:03:42 +0930 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic removal of boced users Message-ID: <20011224033343.EFDCD14DE7@papillon.ntu.edu.au> Hello, could you please help me to solve this problem. I am running Mailman 2.0.3 on RedHat using postfix-20010202-4. Everything works fine but if I set up a few bogus users, they are not automaticaly removed when email bounces. They are even in config.db. After running ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ./config.db, I can find in output: 'bounce_info': { 'tdgfg at fgetryg.hgj': [1009155062.41, 49.0, 56.0], 'ytrj at htrj.jfl': [1009155000.4, 49.0, 56.0]}, Bounce configuration is set up as follows: ## Bounce options # # Policies regarding systematic processing of bounce messages, to help # automate recognition and handling of defunct addresses. # Try to figure out error messages automatically? # # legal values are: # 0 = "No" # 1 = "Yes" bounce_processing = 1 # Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally bad before we # take action minimum_removal_date = 1 # Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before # we consider removing them from the list minimum_post_count_before_bounce_action = 1 # Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour. (Yes, bounce # detection finds this info useful) max_posts_between_bounces = 5 # Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected. # # legal values are: # 0 = "Do nothing" # 1 = "Disable and notify me" # 2 = "Disable and DON'T notify me" # 3 = "Remove and notify me" automatic_bounce_action = 3 I would expect that bouncing users should be removed immediatelly, or should I wait 5 days? Thank for your help. Pavel ------------------------------------------------------- -- Pavel Stulik System Support Officer Information Technology Division Northern Territory University Darwin NT 0909 Australia Ph. (08)8946 6639 From marc at perkel.com Mon Dec 24 19:48:14 2001 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:48:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Message-ID: <3C27786E.396487DC@perkel.com> I don't quite understand how to do an umbrella list. I I have 3 lists ListA ListB and ListC I have another list ListABC that sends to the other three lists. I want to be able to send to ListABC - but when I do - the message gets moderated. And I can't seem to get past that even though I'm running the system open. Anyone know how to fix that? From kd5de at nwla.com Tue Dec 25 14:14:57 2001 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 07:14:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcement Only List Message-ID: <3C287BD1.6A570C82@nwla.com> I mentioned this little problem last week with no reply so maybe try a different approach. I have a client with 12 list 11 of them are normal but #12 is going to become a big problem after 1/1/02 when it becomes active. This list is set up to send a daily message to the subscribers. the message is driven by a perl script. I have set up an Explicit Reply address in the General options and in the Privacy section I have Restrict Posting off and allow posting only from the perl script and the list administrator. But I for see a huge problem. The list is currently public, but the announcements don't begin until the first of the year. Already the list has 500+ members and the list admin. has already be hit with a dozen that have tried to post to the list. I realize that what I need to do must be done with withlist from what I read. But how do I use withlist to remove the CC: address from outgoing messages and strip the two lines from the welcome message that say: To post to this list send email to: xxx at xxx.xxx (List name) In other word totally hide the address of the list from the users! If someone would be so kind as to lend a hand then this ISP will have a chance to have a Happy New Year. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Wed Dec 26 05:32:55 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 04:32:55 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Error In-Reply-To: <3C16295F.16154AB@abs-comptech.com> References: <15381.40753.337709.33595@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> <3C16295F.16154AB@abs-comptech.com> Message-ID: <20011226.4325500@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear all After providing the email address and password and while submitting the subscribe button. I get the following error. Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. Log file : /home/mailman/logs/error Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/bin/add_members", line 221, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/bin/add_members", line 170, in main ml = MailList.MailList(listname) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 77, in __init__ self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 286, in lock self.__sleep() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 424, in __sleep time.sleep(interval) Where is the problem and howto solve this. Am unable to subscribe to list. Where is the problem, and howto troubleshoot? Thanks Regards Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011226/90b2c802/attachment.html From mrjackin at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 26 06:28:37 2001 From: mrjackin at yahoo.co.uk (sam) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:58:37 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration doubt Message-ID: <009201c18dce$3e5769a0$910110ac@samsi> Hello All, I am using mailman as announcement list. i want to deny list users from posting mail to list. Is it possible in mailman. please cc to mrjackin at yahoo.co.uk for your replies. Thanks Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011226/238867c4/attachment.htm From michelle at primelogic.com Wed Dec 26 22:01:46 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:01:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail Message-ID: Gentle friends, I'm having a problem with Mailman 2.06, running on FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE. It has been working perfectly up until now, serving three lists. All of a sudden it won't send out mail posted to a list, although the wrapper receives it. Here's the most recent post made by the moderator of the largest (1500) list: Dec 25 20:41:05 straylight sendmail[48896]: fBQ4f4U48896: from=, size=66192, class=0, nrcpts=1, >msgid=, proto=ES MTP, daemon=MTA, relay=imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37] Dec 25 20:41:06 straylight sendmail[48897]: fBQ4f4U48896: to="|/usr/local/mailma n/mail/wrapper post fishlink", ctladdr= (1/0 ), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=95692, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent The cron jobs seem to be running every minute: 68546 ?? I 0:00.00 cron: running job (cron) 68550 ?? Is 0:00.01 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner 68554 ?? I 0:00.67 /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner But I'm getting this message in /usr/local/mailman/logs: Dec 25 20:48:01 2001 (48945) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:49:02 2001 (48948) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:50:02 2001 (48956) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:51:02 2001 (48960) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:52:01 2001 (48968) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:54:02 2001 (48977) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:55:03 2001 (48986) Could not acquire qrunner lock Lock files are being created: /usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al total 4 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:07 . drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 qrunner.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.68866 /usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al total 4 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:46 . drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 qrunner.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.69414 Oddly, the times on the lockfiles are off, set in the future. Here's the current time: /usr/local/mailman/locks# date Wed Dec 26 12:47:11 PST 2001 I removed the locks as a test but they were recreated with different numeric extensions. /usr/local/mailman/logs/post has no entries corresponding to the post above. Also, if the problem is solved the list owner will not want all three of his attempts to post to be delivered. Is there a means to delete the last two attempts so his subscribers won't be spammed with the same newsletter? Hope someone can shed some light, because I'm at a loss here. .\\ichelle --------------------- Michelle Brownsworth System Administrator PrimeLogic Corporation http://www.primelogic.com From ridalski at nandomedia.com Wed Dec 26 22:13:14 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:13:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is anything showing up in mailman's error log? $prefix/mailman/logs/error. There could be something there to shed some light on this. As far as, getting rid of the extra postings, if they're still floating around the qfiles dir, just delete the corrosponding .msg, and .db files for the extra posting... be sure to leave at least one set however so it does go out. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Brownsworth Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:02 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail Gentle friends, I'm having a problem with Mailman 2.06, running on FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE. It has been working perfectly up until now, serving three lists. All of a sudden it won't send out mail posted to a list, although the wrapper receives it. Here's the most recent post made by the moderator of the largest (1500) list: Dec 25 20:41:05 straylight sendmail[48896]: fBQ4f4U48896: from=, size=66192, class=0, nrcpts=1, >msgid=, proto=ES MTP, daemon=MTA, relay=imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37] Dec 25 20:41:06 straylight sendmail[48897]: fBQ4f4U48896: to="|/usr/local/mailma n/mail/wrapper post fishlink", ctladdr= (1/0 ), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=95692, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent The cron jobs seem to be running every minute: 68546 ?? I 0:00.00 cron: running job (cron) 68550 ?? Is 0:00.01 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner 68554 ?? I 0:00.67 /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner But I'm getting this message in /usr/local/mailman/logs: Dec 25 20:48:01 2001 (48945) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:49:02 2001 (48948) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:50:02 2001 (48956) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:51:02 2001 (48960) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:52:01 2001 (48968) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:54:02 2001 (48977) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 25 20:55:03 2001 (48986) Could not acquire qrunner lock Lock files are being created: /usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al total 4 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:07 . drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 qrunner.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.68866 /usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al total 4 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:46 . drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 qrunner.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.69414 Oddly, the times on the lockfiles are off, set in the future. Here's the current time: /usr/local/mailman/locks# date Wed Dec 26 12:47:11 PST 2001 I removed the locks as a test but they were recreated with different numeric extensions. /usr/local/mailman/logs/post has no entries corresponding to the post above. Also, if the problem is solved the list owner will not want all three of his attempts to post to be delivered. Is there a means to delete the last two attempts so his subscribers won't be spammed with the same newsletter? Hope someone can shed some light, because I'm at a loss here. .\\ichelle --------------------- Michelle Brownsworth System Administrator PrimeLogic Corporation http://www.primelogic.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From michelle at primelogic.com Wed Dec 26 22:30:49 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:30:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Is anything showing up in mailman's error log? $prefix/mailman/logs/error. >There could be something there to shed some light on this. As far as, >getting rid of the extra postings, if they're still floating around the >qfiles dir, just delete the corrosponding .msg, and .db files for the extra >posting... be sure to leave at least one set however so it does go out. > > > -Richard Idalski Nope, not a thing in the error log; that was the first place I looked. Thanks for the tip about the qfiles dir, though. .\\ichelle >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Brownsworth >Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:02 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail > > >Gentle friends, > >I'm having a problem with Mailman 2.06, running on FreeBSD >4.4-RELEASE. It has been working perfectly up until now, serving >three lists. All of a sudden it won't send out mail posted to a >list, although the wrapper receives it. Here's the most recent post >made by the moderator of the largest (1500) list: > >Dec 25 20:41:05 straylight sendmail[48896]: fBQ4f4U48896: >from=>, size=66192, class=0, nrcpts=1, >>msgid=, proto=ES >MTP, daemon=MTA, relay=imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37] >Dec 25 20:41:06 straylight sendmail[48897]: fBQ4f4U48896: >to="|/usr/local/mailma >n/mail/wrapper post fishlink", >ctladdr= (1/0 >), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=95692, >dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > >The cron jobs seem to be running every minute: > >68546 ?? I 0:00.00 cron: running job (cron) >68550 ?? Is 0:00.01 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S >/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >68554 ?? I 0:00.67 /usr/local/bin/python -S >/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner > >But I'm getting this message in /usr/local/mailman/logs: > >Dec 25 20:48:01 2001 (48945) Could not acquire qrunner lock >Dec 25 20:49:02 2001 (48948) Could not acquire qrunner lock >Dec 25 20:50:02 2001 (48956) Could not acquire qrunner lock >Dec 25 20:51:02 2001 (48960) Could not acquire qrunner lock >Dec 25 20:52:01 2001 (48968) Could not acquire qrunner lock >Dec 25 20:54:02 2001 (48977) Could not acquire qrunner lock >Dec 25 20:55:03 2001 (48986) Could not acquire qrunner lock > >Lock files are being created: > >/usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al >total 4 >drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:07 . >drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. >-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 qrunner.lock >-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 >qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.68866 >/usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al >total 4 >drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:46 . >drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. >-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 qrunner.lock >-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 >qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.69414 > >Oddly, the times on the lockfiles are off, set in the future. Here's >the current time: > >/usr/local/mailman/locks# date >Wed Dec 26 12:47:11 PST 2001 > >I removed the locks as a test but they were recreated with different >numeric extensions. > >/usr/local/mailman/logs/post has no entries corresponding to the post above. > >Also, if the problem is solved the list owner will not want all three >of his attempts to post to be delivered. Is there a means to delete >the last two attempts so his subscribers won't be spammed with the >same newsletter? > >Hope someone can shed some light, because I'm at a loss here. > >.\\ichelle >--------------------- >Michelle Brownsworth >System Administrator >PrimeLogic Corporation >http://www.primelogic.com > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From koto at mynetix.de Wed Dec 26 23:20:22 2001 From: koto at mynetix.de (Andreas Kotowicz) Date: 26 Dec 2001 23:20:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in importing mbox-files Message-ID: <1009405230.1144.55.camel@monster.koto.lan> hi, i've just installed mailman 2.0.8 and have set up a mailinglist. everything works fine and now I wanted to convert the old mbox archiv file to mailman. so I did a "cat oldarchiv >> archiv.mbox" and then a "bin/arch archiv". most of the mails get converted correctly but the mails from december 2000 get into december 2001. this happens for all archives i try to convert. the headers in those mails are fine so i don't really see where the problem is. maybe someone can help. thanks, andreas From michelle at primelogic.com Thu Dec 27 00:29:06 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:29:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > One thing I've had to do before is to ps jax |grep qrunner, kill any >running qrunner processes, and then cd to the locks dir, and delete any >remaing locks, so a clean instance of qrunner can start next time the cron >is processed. Probably not the best thing to do, but I have had to do it >before. > > -Richard Idalski Okay, I tried that but it didn't seem to help, so I rebooted the system. Still no joy. From the qrunner log: Dec 26 15:11:02 2001 (855) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:12:02 2001 (879) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:13:02 2001 (886) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:14:02 2001 (896) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:14:24 2001 (898) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:15:03 2001 (914) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:16:01 2001 (929) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:17:02 2001 (933) Could not acquire qrunner lock And new locks have been created: /usr/local/mailman/logs# ls -al ../locks/ total 4 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 15:28 . drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 27 00:57 qrunner.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 27 00:57 qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.71237 The strange thing is, Mailman's three lists were working perfectly until the 24th. I ran check_perms to see if permissions had gotten changed somehow, but they're okay. But there's something I'm not comprehending here. A working system shouldn't just suddenly stop working. .\\ichelle >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Brownsworth >Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:31 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Cc: Richard Idalski >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail > > >>Is anything showing up in mailman's error log? $prefix/mailman/logs/error. >>There could be something there to shed some light on this. As far as, >>getting rid of the extra postings, if they're still floating around the >>qfiles dir, just delete the corrosponding .msg, and .db files for the extra >>posting... be sure to leave at least one set however so it does go out. >> >> >> -Richard Idalski > > >Nope, not a thing in the error log; that was the first place I >looked. Thanks for the tip about the qfiles dir, though. > >.\\ichelle > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >>[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Brownsworth >>Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:02 PM >>To: mailman-users at python.org >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail >> >> >>Gentle friends, >> >>I'm having a problem with Mailman 2.06, running on FreeBSD >>4.4-RELEASE. It has been working perfectly up until now, serving >>three lists. All of a sudden it won't send out mail posted to a >>list, although the wrapper receives it. Here's the most recent post >>made by the moderator of the largest (1500) list: >> >>Dec 25 20:41:05 straylight sendmail[48896]: fBQ4f4U48896: >>from=>>, size=66192, class=0, nrcpts=1, >>>msgid=, proto=ES >>MTP, daemon=MTA, relay=imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37] >>Dec 25 20:41:06 straylight sendmail[48897]: fBQ4f4U48896: >>to="|/usr/local/mailma >>n/mail/wrapper post fishlink", >>ctladdr= (1/0 >>), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=95692, >>dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent >> >>The cron jobs seem to be running every minute: >> >>68546 ?? I 0:00.00 cron: running job (cron) >>68550 ?? Is 0:00.01 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S >>/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >>68554 ?? I 0:00.67 /usr/local/bin/python -S >>/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >> >>But I'm getting this message in /usr/local/mailman/logs: >> >>Dec 25 20:48:01 2001 (48945) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:49:02 2001 (48948) Could not acquire qrunner lock > >Dec 25 20:50:02 2001 (48956) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:51:02 2001 (48960) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:52:01 2001 (48968) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:54:02 2001 (48977) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:55:03 2001 (48986) Could not acquire qrunner lock >> >>Lock files are being created: >> >>/usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al >>total 4 >>drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:07 . >>drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. >>-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 qrunner.lock >>-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 >>qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.68866 >>/usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al >>total 4 >>drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:46 . >>drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. >>-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 qrunner.lock >>-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 >>qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.69414 >> >>Oddly, the times on the lockfiles are off, set in the future. Here's >>the current time: >> >>/usr/local/mailman/locks# date >>Wed Dec 26 12:47:11 PST 2001 >> >>I removed the locks as a test but they were recreated with different >>numeric extensions. >> >>/usr/local/mailman/logs/post has no entries corresponding to the post >above. >> >>Also, if the problem is solved the list owner will not want all three >>of his attempts to post to be delivered. Is there a means to delete >>the last two attempts so his subscribers won't be spammed with the >>same newsletter? >> >>Hope someone can shed some light, because I'm at a loss here. >> >>.\\ichelle >>--------------------- >>Michelle Brownsworth >>System Administrator >>PrimeLogic Corporation >>http://www.primelogic.com >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From michelle at primelogic.com Thu Dec 27 03:48:12 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:48:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail Message-ID: I don't know if this is relevant to the problem, but I do have my MTA (sendmail) configured to resolve domains. Could the large number of undelivered messages in qfiles cause Mailman to choke on the timeouts and resolve errors it's no doubt getting from sendmail? .\\ichelle --------------------- Michelle Brownsworth System Administrator PrimeLogic Corporation http://www.primelogic.com From michelle at primelogic.com Thu Dec 27 05:01:09 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:01:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail Message-ID: Update: I removed all the 120 or so files from the qfiles directory, with the exception of the original newsletter posting to the list, and the newsletter started going out almost immediately to the 1880 subscribers. So what was it about those files that caused Mailman to choke? I've saved them for later examination, but it was necessary to use the steam-shovel approach since the two-day delay in sending out his newsletter was causing the client to go into cardiac arrest. Any thoughts? .\\ichelle > One thing I've had to do before is to ps jax |grep qrunner, kill any >running qrunner processes, and then cd to the locks dir, and delete any >remaing locks, so a clean instance of qrunner can start next time the cron >is processed. Probably not the best thing to do, but I have had to do it >before. > > -Richard Idalski Okay, I tried that but it didn't seem to help, so I rebooted the system. Still no joy. From the qrunner log: Dec 26 15:11:02 2001 (855) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:12:02 2001 (879) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:13:02 2001 (886) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:14:02 2001 (896) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:14:24 2001 (898) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:15:03 2001 (914) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:16:01 2001 (929) Could not acquire qrunner lock Dec 26 15:17:02 2001 (933) Could not acquire qrunner lock And new locks have been created: /usr/local/mailman/logs# ls -al ../locks/ total 4 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 15:28 . drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 27 00:57 qrunner.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 27 00:57 qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.71237 The strange thing is, Mailman's three lists were working perfectly until the 24th. I ran check_perms to see if permissions had gotten changed somehow, but they're okay. But there's something I'm not comprehending here. A working system shouldn't just suddenly stop working. .\\ichelle >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Brownsworth >Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:31 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Cc: Richard Idalski >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail > > >>Is anything showing up in mailman's error log? $prefix/mailman/logs/error. >>There could be something there to shed some light on this. As far as, >>getting rid of the extra postings, if they're still floating around the >>qfiles dir, just delete the corrosponding .msg, and .db files for the extra >>posting... be sure to leave at least one set however so it does go out. >> >> >> -Richard Idalski > > >Nope, not a thing in the error log; that was the first place I >looked. Thanks for the tip about the qfiles dir, though. > >.\\ichelle > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >>[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Brownsworth >>Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:02 PM >>To: mailman-users at python.org >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail >> >> >>Gentle friends, >> >>I'm having a problem with Mailman 2.06, running on FreeBSD >>4.4-RELEASE. It has been working perfectly up until now, serving >>three lists. All of a sudden it won't send out mail posted to a >>list, although the wrapper receives it. Here's the most recent post >>made by the moderator of the largest (1500) list: >> >>Dec 25 20:41:05 straylight sendmail[48896]: fBQ4f4U48896: >>from=>>, size=66192, class=0, nrcpts=1, >>>msgid=, proto=ES >>MTP, daemon=MTA, relay=imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37] >>Dec 25 20:41:06 straylight sendmail[48897]: fBQ4f4U48896: >>to="|/usr/local/mailma >>n/mail/wrapper post fishlink", >>ctladdr= (1/0 > >), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=95692, >>dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent >> >>The cron jobs seem to be running every minute: >> >>68546 ?? I 0:00.00 cron: running job (cron) >>68550 ?? Is 0:00.01 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S >>/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >>68554 ?? I 0:00.67 /usr/local/bin/python -S >>/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner >> >>But I'm getting this message in /usr/local/mailman/logs: >> >>Dec 25 20:48:01 2001 (48945) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:49:02 2001 (48948) Could not acquire qrunner lock > >Dec 25 20:50:02 2001 (48956) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:51:02 2001 (48960) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:52:01 2001 (48968) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:54:02 2001 (48977) Could not acquire qrunner lock >>Dec 25 20:55:03 2001 (48986) Could not acquire qrunner lock >> >>Lock files are being created: >> >>/usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al >>total 4 >>drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:07 . >>drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. >>-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 qrunner.lock >>-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 21:52 >>qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.68866 >>/usr/local/mailman/locks# ls -al >>total 4 >>drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 26 12:46 . >>drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. >>-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 qrunner.lock >>-rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 69 Dec 26 22:28 >>qrunner.lock.straylight.primelogic.com.69414 >> >>Oddly, the times on the lockfiles are off, set in the future. Here's >>the current time: >> >>/usr/local/mailman/locks# date >>Wed Dec 26 12:47:11 PST 2001 >> >>I removed the locks as a test but they were recreated with different >>numeric extensions. >> >>/usr/local/mailman/logs/post has no entries corresponding to the post >above. >> >>Also, if the problem is solved the list owner will not want all three >>of his attempts to post to be delivered. Is there a means to delete >>the last two attempts so his subscribers won't be spammed with the >>same newsletter? >> >>Hope someone can shed some light, because I'm at a loss here. >> >>.\\ichelle >>--------------------- >>Michelle Brownsworth >>System Administrator >>PrimeLogic Corporation >>http://www.primelogic.com >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Dec 27 16:00:15 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, actually, I had a very similar problem to this on my system, that all the configuring of sendmail short of making it an open relay could not fix. I eventually switched to postfix and I havent had a single problem since. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Brownsworth [mailto:michelle at primelogic.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 9:48 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Cc: Richard Idalski Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail I don't know if this is relevant to the problem, but I do have my MTA (sendmail) configured to resolve domains. Could the large number of undelivered messages in qfiles cause Mailman to choke on the timeouts and resolve errors it's no doubt getting from sendmail? .\\ichelle --------------------- Michelle Brownsworth System Administrator PrimeLogic Corporation http://www.primelogic.com From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Thu Dec 27 17:02:18 2001 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:02:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] -request errors and password question Message-ID: When I send -request messages to my list, for example list-request at mail.mydomain.org, I receive errors like this: This is an automated response. There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the administrative address . To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to with the word "help" in the subject line or in the body of the message. The odd thing is that the correct result of the -request command is usually below this "error" message. Anyone have an idea what might be going on? I use MS Outlook, and I discovered that I can get around these "error" messages if I use the built-in editor rather than Word as my email editor and set the mail format to plain text. Are there any other options? I rather dislike plain text email...would like to at least be able to use HTML. Also, I would like to configure a list so that the subscribers are not required to have passwords. Is this possible with Mailman? Ron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 1378 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011227/db7d9573/attachment.rtf From michelle at primelogic.com Thu Dec 27 19:42:55 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:42:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Yes, actually, I had a very similar problem to this on my system, that all >the configuring of sendmail short of making it an open relay could not fix. >I eventually switched to postfix and I havent had a single problem since. > > -Richard Idalski Okay, given that a slew of messages are undeliverable due to domain resolution problems, which Mailman nevertheless keeps trying to deliver, apparently clogging things up, how do I clear them out? Delete all files from the qfiles directory again? Also, I don't believe Mailman processed the entire list, since my address was in the list and I haven't received the post yet. .\\ichelle >-----Original Message----- >From: Michelle Brownsworth [mailto:michelle at primelogic.com] >Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 9:48 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Cc: Richard Idalski >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail > > >I don't know if this is relevant to the problem, but I do have my MTA >(sendmail) configured to resolve domains. Could the large number of >undelivered messages in qfiles cause Mailman to choke on the timeouts >and resolve errors it's no doubt getting from sendmail? > >.\\ichelle >--------------------- >Michelle Brownsworth >System Administrator >PrimeLogic Corporation >http://www.primelogic.com From bryan_lists at netmeme.org Thu Dec 27 21:18:15 2001 From: bryan_lists at netmeme.org (Bryan Field-Elliot) Date: 27 Dec 2001 13:18:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman a good fit for bulk mailing? In-Reply-To: <1009130786.20400.34.camel@c1593933-a.boulder1.co.home.com> References: <1009130786.20400.34.camel@c1593933-a.boulder1.co.home.com> Message-ID: <1009484295.9655.0.camel@c1593933-a.boulder1.co.home.com> I run a website wherein potential customers are volunteering their email addresses in order to receive product updates, etc. Again, just to be clear -- I run an *opt-in* mailing list of ads for a company. We've gotten started with Mailman (2.0.8), and while it's a great discussion engine, it doesn't seem to be very well suited for bulk mailing etc. For example, I was asked, "how do I know which people have received which mailings, etc.?", and of course I had no good answer based upon Mailman's capabilities. My questions are: 1. Are there features or usage patterns of Mailman (2.0.8) which are recommended for my use cases? 2. Will Mailman 2.1 have more features in this area? 3. Is there some other package entirely which I should be looking at, rather than Mailman? (GPL or similarly-licensed, preferably). Thank you, Bryan From michelle at primelogic.com Thu Dec 27 23:06:53 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:06:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail Message-ID: My mailhost is chugging away, trying over and over to deliver to a large batch of addresses with a .gov domain that doesn't resolve; this particular .gov nameserver is obviously having problems. And it's not from the sendmail's mail queue; /var/spool/mqueue/ is completely empty. It's Mailman reattempting to send to the problem addresses. So what can I do about this? Is there a way to force mailman to skip the problem recipients for this go-round, without having to modify hundreds of individual member configurations? That would be a gawd-awful thrash, and besides, the .gov DNS problems are likely temporary. How and where does Mailman keep track of the messages to be reattempted? Can I clear out some files from a directory or something? To complicate matters, I don't think that the 1800-member list has been processed entirely, so some members with kosher addresses haven't yet received their newsletter. The client is demanding to know what kind of bogus mailing list software we're running, he never had this kind of problem with Majordomo, etc., etc. Bah! .\\ichelle --------------------- Michelle Brownsworth System Administrator PrimeLogic Corporation http://www.primelogic.com From admin at upbeats.com Fri Dec 21 00:12:03 2001 From: admin at upbeats.com (Kevin Phillips) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:12:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity-size of mailing lists Message-ID: <3C227042.DB4665FD@upbeats.com> I just got off the phone with the former marketing consultant for Cybergold/My Points and who designed some of the marketing for AOL, Netscape, McAfee, and on. He said the Cybergold opt-in list (people actually subscribed) was 10 million which they sent out every month. We just did a test run of 50,000 and the server came to a grinding halt. ooops! I'm going to get in touch with the technology manager who handles the Cybergold mailings and find out how they do it. Kevin (the new-guy) From contactus at dramashare.org Fri Dec 21 21:22:45 2001 From: contactus at dramashare.org (Drama Share) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:22:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a subscriber Message-ID: <000b01c18a5d$4077f700$99a90a0a@Main> Can you tell me if, (and if so where), a subscriber can be blocked, other than through just using the moderate features. Thanks John From milnes1 at rcn.com Fri Dec 21 23:19:36 2001 From: milnes1 at rcn.com (Ralph Milnes) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Wish List - Bounces Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011221171245.00b8fc20@pop.rcn.com> Allow a number of days option before admin bounces are automatically deleted from the "pending administrative requests" area. List administrators get at least daily notices of admin requests, so they can see when they really need to tend to one. Most requests are spam submissions from non-members that are only discarded. It would be nice if the system just deleted those requests if they stayed unattended to over a certain period of time. For example, I'd pick 2 weeks -- to give me enough time to come back from vacation to deal with any accumulated requests. But otherwise, I'd just appreciate it if the system just deleted the requests after 14 days and saved me the trouble of tending to all the requests. Ralph From watin at linkpeople.com Sun Dec 23 16:12:34 2001 From: watin at linkpeople.com (watin) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:12:34 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me!!! Message-ID: <018901c18bc4$3ff58370$6601010a@linkpeople.com> Mailman CGI error!!! The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server. The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48. (Reconfigure to take 48?) OS: redhat7.2 maiman:mailman-2.0.5 question -----> how to fix it !!!!! Please tell me!!!! thanks!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011223/becbe325/attachment.htm From pavel at papillon.ntu.edu.au Mon Dec 24 04:23:37 2001 From: pavel at papillon.ntu.edu.au (Pavel Stulik) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:53:37 +0930 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic removal of boced users Message-ID: <3C269FB9.5020804@papillon.ntu.edu.au> Hello, could you please help me to solve this problem. I am running Mailman 2.0.3 on RedHat using postfix-20010202-4. Everything works fine but if I set up a few bogus users, they are not automaticaly removed when email bounces. They are even in config.db. After running ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ./config.db, I can find in output: 'bounce_info': { 'tdgfg at fgetryg.hgj': [1009155062.41, 49.0, 56.0], 'ytrj at htrj.jfl': [1009155000.4, 49.0, 56.0]}, Bounce configuration is set up as follows: ## Bounce options # # Policies regarding systematic processing of bounce messages, to help # automate recognition and handling of defunct addresses. # Try to figure out error messages automatically? # # legal values are: # 0 = "No" # 1 = "Yes" bounce_processing = 1 # Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally bad before we # take action minimum_removal_date = 1 # Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before # we consider removing them from the list minimum_post_count_before_bounce_action = 1 # Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour. (Yes, bounce # detection finds this info useful) max_posts_between_bounces = 5 # Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected. # # legal values are: # 0 = "Do nothing" # 1 = "Disable and notify me" # 2 = "Disable and DON'T notify me" # 3 = "Remove and notify me" automatic_bounce_action = 3 I would expect that bouncing users should be removed immediatelly, or should I wait 5 days? Thank for your help. Pavel From gtnet at ircnet.hu Mon Dec 24 16:37:39 2001 From: gtnet at ircnet.hu (gtnet at ircnet.hu) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:37:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help Message-ID: Hi! first of all, Merry Xmas! i've a little problem with mailman. I've just installed the lastest one onto my System ( Linux 2.2.19 with exim ) ircnet.hu/mailman/listinfo work well. i've subscribed to the test mail-list, received the confirmation mail AND WHEN! i tried to answer back the confrimation i got this in my syslog: 2001-12-24 15:45:59 16IWMZ-00075e-00 <= gtnet at ircnet.hu U=gtne P=local-esmtp S=454 id=Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0112241545540.27250-100000 at ircnet.hu 2001-12-24 15:45:59 16IWMZ-00075e-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test i've followed the intall instructions .. and do not know where the problem is. Please help me if you can. Thanks in advance GTnet From mikejwilson at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 24 17:10:28 2001 From: mikejwilson at sympatico.ca (Michael Wilson) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:10:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin problems in Mailman Message-ID: <000801c18c95$8393c5c0$e637fea9@t8j1e9> Hi Mailman, I am the admin person for a Mailman group and I have found that the mailout to all the subscribed members doesn't work. I first send the message I want to the list address. I appears in the admin area asking me to approve, defer etc. I approve it and submit data, but it is still not sent to the List members. What is going on? Thanks for any hints. Michael J. Wilson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011224/136e0da9/attachment.html From gsperling at glsrms.com Tue Dec 25 08:35:26 2001 From: gsperling at glsrms.com (Gregg Sperling) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:35:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect version on www.list.org! Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011225013452.02cfd378@stormie.glsrms.com> I was referred to download the Mailman tarball from www.list.org. It has version 2.0.7. Once I actually read through the www.list.org website when I was having bug problems with 2.0.7, I found out there was a 2.0.8 on sourceforge. Somebody should either update the www.list.org website to have the latest version, or redirect download requests to sourceforge. Just a suggestion. From mrjackin at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 26 05:49:51 2001 From: mrjackin at yahoo.co.uk (sam) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:19:51 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration doubt Message-ID: <005601c18dc8$c48a5420$910110ac@samsi> Hello All, I am using mailman as announcement list. i want to deny list users from posting mail to list. Is it possible in mailman. please cc to mrjackin at yahoo.co.uk for your replies. Thanks Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011226/b8e3c7d1/attachment.htm From matthew at sublunar.com Wed Dec 26 09:26:28 2001 From: matthew at sublunar.com (Matthew Easton) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:26:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:Re:Re:Re:- I'm drowning in Re's Message-ID: <200112260826.fBQ8QTh05744@penelope.sublunar.com> This might be a feature request. I've got Mailman 2.0.8 with sendmail on RedHat 7.2. It's a test box on a private network. My subject headers get longer and longer with each post and reply. Like this: Subject: [Mynewtest] Re: [Mynewtest] Re: [Mynewtest] Re: [Mynewtest] Yet another fascinating post Annoying if you have extended conversations. It's not clear to me whether this is a problem with my mail client ( I'm testing with squirrelmail, an open source webmail app.) or with my Mailman configuration. Regardless of the source, I think it would be useful if Mailman were able to automatically trim the superfluous "Re: [Mytest]" repetitions. Anyone come up against this and can give me a clue? Thank you. -- Matthew Easton Sublunar Networks http://sublunar.com From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Wed Dec 26 20:46:58 2001 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:46:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] -request errors and password question Message-ID: When I send -request messages to my list, for example list-request at mail.mydomain.org, I receive errors like this: This is an automated response. There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the administrative address . To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to with the word "help" in the subject line or in the body of the message. The odd thing is that the correct result of the -request command is usually below this "error" message. Anyone have an idea what might be going on? Also, I would like to configure a list so that the subscribers are not required to have passwords. Is this possible? Ron From david at listserv.qwickrate.com Wed Dec 26 22:36:36 2001 From: david at listserv.qwickrate.com (David) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:36:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help Message-ID: <200112262136.fBQLaa201537@listserv.qwickrate.com> I have installed Rhat 7.2 and Mailman 2.0.6 and all is working except for the mail processing. I get the messages and approve them, but they are never sent. The following error is logged in the smtp log: All reipients refused: (111, Connection refused) Sendmail is able to send and receive mail. Is there something I need to have opened specifically for Mailman? Any help would be greatly appreciated. From jsimmons at goblin.punk.net Thu Dec 27 01:44:54 2001 From: jsimmons at goblin.punk.net (Jeff Simmons) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:44:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.8 vs Konqueror 2.2 Message-ID: <200112270044.fBR0itv17390@goblin.punk.net> I recently upgraded my Mailman installation from 2.0.5 to 2.0.8, and it seems to have broken the cookie placement feature on the Konqueror 2.2 web browser. I can no longer use Konqueror to admin Mailman. Any admin submissions or page changes give a "Error decoding authorization cookie" message, and a subsequent dump back to the admin login page. This does NOT happen when using either Netscape or Mozilla. For me, this is a minor glitch, and I plan to upgrade my Konqueror (and KDE) to 2.2.2 RSN. Just thought I'd let somebody know. -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons at goblin.punk.net Simmons Consulting - Network Engineering, Administration, Security "You guys, I don't hear any noise. Are you sure you're doing it right?" - My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult From david at midrange.com Thu Dec 27 23:49:11 2001 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:49:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me!!! In-Reply-To: <018901c18bc4$3ff58370$6601010a@linkpeople.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011227164816.0240d500@linux.midrange.com> At 09:12 AM 12/23/2001, you wrote: >The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed >incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close >attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being >stored in your syslog: >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48. (Reconfigure to take 48?) > question -----> how to fix it !!!!! > Please tell me!!!! thanks!! Um, not to be too obvious ... but what about reading the message and following the suggestion? david From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Thu Dec 27 23:52:23 2001 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:52:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ouch Message-ID: Would I be correct in surmising that the mailman-users list is having some difficulties? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 1213 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011227/25a7e047/attachment.rtf From tim at maths.tcd.ie Thu Dec 27 23:54:59 2001 From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:54:59 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Q) How to keep real addresses with email addresses Message-ID: <20011227225459.A66407@boole.maths.tcd.ie> This question has probably been discussed at length before. But how do people incorporate mailman with a "database" -- perhaps in XML format -- containing other information about list members, eg their real names, addresses etc ? Am I right in assuming that mailman will not allow email address in the form "tim at maths.tcd.ie " as majordomo does ? In my case I'd rather keep more info than that (for a society) in XML format, and then keep that in sync with the mailman list. This surely must be something quite a lot of list-owners would like? Is there a standard way of doing it? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie tel: 086-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From lothian at cs.utk.edu Fri Dec 28 00:05:32 2001 From: lothian at cs.utk.edu (Josh Lothian) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing auto-response message Message-ID: <20011227180532.A16509@corona.cs.utk.edu> Hi all, Quick question: I have scoured the menus, and I have found no way to customize the message returned when a non-member posts to a members only list, on a list-by-list basis. Any suggestions? Thanks, -josh -- Josh Lothian lothian at cs.utk.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll give you a hint, /etc/mail/access and /etc/mail/addess.db Kev From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Dec 28 05:10:42 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:10:42 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Performance Message-ID: <20011228.4104200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear List I have strange problems with mailman. Am using the following tools and respective versions. Apache 1.3.13 sendmail 8.9 mailman 2.0.6 RH 6.1 Python 1.5.2 I have 2 problems: Problem 1: I created 2 lists named forum and response respectively, it was working fine for almost a day and there were 6 users subscribed to each list. Suddenly my mailman stopped working and its not delivering mails sent by the subscribers to the list, and when new users are subscribed, they are not getting acknowlegment mail. To put it in nut shell, the mailman is very erratic, everytime, i have to reinitiate the crontab.in for cron and restart the qrunner process. I really dunno what is the permanent solution for this. Please guide me for a permanent solution to this problem. Problem 2: when i use my browser to subscribe to the list, i get an error "Bug in Mailman" Thanks in advance Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011228/49822e7f/attachment.html From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Dec 28 10:58:38 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:58:38 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Erratic Mailman/ whats the solution Message-ID: <20011228.9583800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear List I have strange problems with mailman. Am using the following tools and respective versions. Apache 1.3.13 sendmail 8.9 mailman 2.0.6 RH 6.1 Python 1.5.2 I have 2 problems: Problem 1: I created 2 lists named forum and response respectively, it was working fine for almost a day and there were 6 users subscribed to each list. Suddenly my mailman stopped working and its not delivering mails sent by the subscribers to the list, and when new users are subscribed, they are not getting acknowlegment mail. To put it in nut shell, the mailman is very erratic, everytime, i have to reinitiate the crontab.in for cron and restart the qrunner process. I really dunno what is the permanent solution for this. Please guide me for a permanent solution to this problem. Problem 2: when i use my browser to subscribe to the list, i get an error "Bug in Mailman" Thanks in advance Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011228/38681637/attachment.htm From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Dec 28 11:02:45 2001 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:02:45 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail is Erratic, please help Message-ID: <20011228.10024500@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear List I have strange problems with mailman. Am using the following tools and respective versions. Apache 1.3.13 sendmail 8.9 mailman 2.0.6 RH 6.1 Python 1.5.2 I have 2 problems: Problem 1: I created 2 lists named forum and response respectively, it was working fine for almost a day and there were 6 users subscribed to each list. Suddenly my mailman stopped working and its not delivering mails sent by the subscribers to the list, and when new users are subscribed, they are not getting acknowlegment mail. To put it in nut shell, the mailman is very erratic, everytime, i have to reinitiate the crontab.in for cron and restart the qrunner process. I really dunno what is the permanent solution for this. Please guide me for a permanent solution to this problem. Problem 2: when i use my browser to subscribe to the list, i get an error "Bug in Mailman" Thanks in advance Ganeshh From tech at murrain.net Fri Dec 28 15:57:47 2001 From: tech at murrain.net (Michelle Murrain) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:57:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Database connections Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011228095442.027327a0@murrain.net> Hi Folks, Has anyone set up a system to synchronize in any way a SQL database (like PostgreSQL or MySQL) and a mailman mailing list? If so, how did you do it? Any code available? Is there a way to use a SQL database as the subscriber list for mailman? If a tool like this does not exist, would it be of help to anyone here if I built one? (FYI, I am a Perl programmer primarily, so it will be a perl-based tool). .Michelle --------------------------------------- Michelle Murrain tech at murrain.net AIM:pearlbear0 http://www.murrain.net/ for pgp public key From david at midrange.com Fri Dec 28 19:40:49 2001 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:40:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Conditionally strip headers? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011228123942.024c7e00@linux.midrange.com> Folks: Does anyone know of a way to get Mailman 2.0.8 to strip some headers from messages? I get a lot of Lotus Notes/Domino users on my list and their mail systems tend to add a LOT of garbage to the messages ... all of them prefixed with "X-Notes". Thanks! david From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Fri Dec 28 22:09:04 2001 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:09:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unauthorized Message-ID: Anyone have an idea why I get a 403 (Unauthorized to view this page) error when I try to view my list archives? Do I need to chmod something? TIF, Ron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 424 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011228/41c0add3/attachment.rtf From hanno at yourchoice.nl Sat Dec 29 03:25:02 2001 From: hanno at yourchoice.nl (Hanno Liem) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 03:25:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic bounce handling Message-ID: <20011229032501.C731@yourchoice.nl> Hi all, I have a short question to which I could not find anything in the archives or on the web. Silly perhaps, but: ... is automatic bounce detection automatically enabled when you activate it on the status page? I wonder how this would work then - because as far as I can see, bounces go to the person who sent the posting to the list, and is never seen by mailman?! The way I *thought* it should work is by putting a reply-to header in the message which redirects to the mailman 'bounce handler' script. Am I wrong here or do I misunderstand? Please enlighten me :-) kind regards and a happy new year to all, Han -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hanno Liem | hann0 on IRC | hanno at yourchoice.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought. But I do know that World War IV will be fought with rocks and spears." -- Albert Einstein From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Sat Dec 29 03:45:42 2001 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:45:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble with mailman install In-Reply-To: <20011229032501.C731@yourchoice.nl> Message-ID: I have just a few questions that weill help me greatly with installing mailman on RH 6.2. I am using a 2.0.8 tar ball, is $prefix actually /home/mailman or /home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8 ? When I try to run bin/check_perms it always fails with the same message saying there is an error in line 38 and i'm not running it from the $prefix directory. I tried running it from any location with the same results. thanks.. From admin at blindi.net Sat Dec 29 04:58:40 2001 From: admin at blindi.net (Thomas Hoellriegel) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 04:58:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] funny errors in /home/mailman/logs/error Message-ID: hi, i installed mailman 2.08 under suse-linux. i have a question: what error is this in my logfile? Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): kids = main(lock) Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): os.unlink(root+'.db') Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/qfiles/996a9e524b3b9897ad5b738bf84cb8abc70e2b60.db' i don.t create or delete a file in /home/mailman/qfiles. i have this error at anytime after to send a mail to a list. can your help me please? thankx. --------------- tel : 089 693 75 214 homepage: http://www.blindi.net blinde-misc mailingliste f?r blinde. anmeldung unter: http://www.blindi.net/mailman/listinfo/blinde-misc From claw at kanga.nu Sat Dec 29 06:58:45 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:58:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capacity-size of mailing lists In-Reply-To: Message from Kevin Phillips of "Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:12:03 PST." <3C227042.DB4665FD@upbeats.com> References: <3C227042.DB4665FD@upbeats.com> Message-ID: <6595.1009605525@kanga.nu> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:12:03 -0800 Kevin Phillips wrote: > We just did a test run of 50,000 and the server came to a grinding > halt. ooops! What MTA, what hardware, how configured, how tuned? I'm going to get in touch with the technology > manager who handles the Cybergold mailings and find out how they > do it. The very first hack is setting the number of RCPT TOs per message as high as you reasonably can. The exact choice will vary depending on your MTA and MTA's behaviour (sites like AOL filter on over-large RCPT TO lists, and the RFC recommends no more than 100). Past that you start wanting to spread the load about among multiple systems, and to reduce IO loads and contentions on spindles, and so forth. Chuq has commented on his smurf army. I've done similar not-quite-the-same things with domain based routing (different systems dedicated to handling deliveries to specific domain subsets (see BugTraq's list architecture for details/inspiration as well as the LServe docs and so forth) The core problem is that it is inherently an IO constrained problem, and standard MTA's are explicitly NOT built to be friendly to such -- which essentially means you get to write your own MTA (non trivial). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Sat Dec 29 07:00:16 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:00:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: Message from Michelle Brownsworth of "Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:06:53 PST." References: Message-ID: <6617.1009605616@kanga.nu> On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:06:53 -0800 Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > My mailhost is chugging away, trying over and over to deliver to a > large batch of addresses with a .gov domain that doesn't resolve; > this particular .gov nameserver is obviously having problems. And > it's not from the sendmail's mail queue; /var/spool/mqueue/ is > completely empty. It's Mailman reattempting to send to the > problem addresses. Configure your MTA to not do DNS verifies on deliveries from localhost. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Sat Dec 29 07:02:38 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:02:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Database connections In-Reply-To: Message from Michelle Murrain of "Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:57:47 EST." <5.1.0.14.0.20011228095442.027327a0@murrain.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011228095442.027327a0@murrain.net> Message-ID: <6656.1009605758@kanga.nu> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:57:47 -0500 Michelle Murrain wrote: > Hi Folks, Has anyone set up a system to synchronize in any way a > SQL database (like PostgreSQL or MySQL) and a mailman mailing > list? If so, how did you do it? Any code available? Is there a way > to use a SQL database as the subscriber list for mailman? There's been some discussion of such, IIRC with a couple scripts to handle the synchronisation. > If a tool like this does not exist, would it be of help to anyone > here if I built one? (FYI, I am a Perl programmer primarily, so it > will be a perl-based tool). You'd do better to write a plugin for Mailman 2.1 (which allows you to store the membership rolls in an external backing store, if given the appropriate plugin). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From marc at perkel.com Sat Dec 29 07:08:29 2001 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:08:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it? Message-ID: <3C2D5DDD.1660C10C@perkel.com> I have a problem. I created a list and dumped a bunch of emails into it. It sent an initial message to everyone - but one person is on vacation and the autoresponder responded. Now Mailman and the Autoresponder are sending messages back and forth. How do I make mailman ignore autoresponders? From john at nisus.com Sat Dec 29 08:53:09 2001 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:53:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: > Kevin Brouelette 2001-12-27 18:28:50 -0800 wrote: >> Drama Share wrote: >> Can you tell me if, (and if so where), a subscriber can be blocked, >> other than through just using the moderate features. > If you are using Sendmail you may block them before they > even get handed off to mailman. > I'll give you a hint, > /etc/mail/access and > /etc/mail/addess.db Good hint. Once one has jiggered permissions, created the /etc/mail/access done the makemap to create the /etc/mail/access.db how does one go about telling sendmail to actually make use of it (the default "data-base", the README says, is /etc/mail/access and gives that weird form makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access but I see in the doc that he says "By default, the data-base is /etc/mail/access.db; it's built from the text file /etc/mail/access by a Makefile..."). Please, clarify. I can see that I need to edit either a .m4 or .mc file (which I do not know, and there are dozens of them), and then run it through m4 using m4 or ./Build in the cf directory, which latter doesn't appear to be there (ahh, Build is not there, but cf/ is). I can see that when I find the right file, I need to make sure it has the line FEATURE(access_db, `hash /etc/mail/access.db')dnl Does the .cf file have to be named config.cf for sendmail to find and use it? What directory should be its residence? And what does "For 'traditional' versions, ${CFDIR} ***MUST*** be '..'" mean, since, normally, ".." means merely the directory just above the current directory but says not what one's current directory should be when one is trying this? Oh, and don't forget to restore the permissions, and don't forget: chmod go-w / /etc /etc/mail /usr /var /var/spool /var/spool/mqueue chown root / /etc /etc/mail /usr /var /var/spool /ver/spool/mqueue >>> Mac OS X 10.1.2 (not OS X Server) >>> sendmail 8.10.2-26.2 >>> mailman 2.0.7 >>> Apache 1.3.22 John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From marc_news at vasoftware.com Fri Dec 28 15:04:28 2001 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:04:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending out mail In-Reply-To: ; from michelle@primelogic.com on Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 10:42:55AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20011228150428.E2751@merlins.org> On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 10:42:55AM -0800, Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > >Yes, actually, I had a very similar problem to this on my system, that all > >the configuring of sendmail short of making it an open relay could not fix. > >I eventually switched to postfix and I havent had a single problem since. > > > > -Richard Idalski > > > Okay, given that a slew of messages are undeliverable due to domain > resolution problems, which Mailman nevertheless keeps trying to > deliver, apparently clogging things up, how do I clear them out? > Delete all files from the qfiles directory again? Also, I don't > believe Mailman processed the entire list, since my address was in > the list and I haven't received the post yet. Your problem is sendmail, not mailman. Mailman gave batches of addresses to sendmail, sendmail is chocking on them. Like others, I have solved the problem by not using sendmail anymore (exim in my case) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From nb at thinkcoach.com Sat Dec 29 10:51:05 2001 From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:51:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it? In-Reply-To: <3C2D5DDD.1660C10C@perkel.com> (message from Marc Perkel on Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:08:29 -0800) References: <3C2D5DDD.1660C10C@perkel.com> Message-ID: <200112290951.fBT9p5H05904@quill.local> > I have a problem. I created a list and dumped a bunch of emails into it. > It sent an initial message to everyone - but one person is on vacation > and the autoresponder responded. Now Mailman and the Autoresponder are > sending messages back and forth. > > How do I make mailman ignore autoresponders? Only broken autoresponders are a problem, as the others will ignore Mailman. Please share the specifics of the loop. Does the list do Reply-To: munging? Does the broken autoresponder put some header into its messages which makes it possible to unambiguously recognize them as coming from a robot? Greetings, Norbert. -- A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month http://cisto.com From hanno at yourchoice.nl Sat Dec 29 11:01:19 2001 From: hanno at yourchoice.nl (Hanno Liem) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:01:19 +0100 Subject: [hanno@yourchoice.nl: Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic bounce handling] Message-ID: <20011229110119.E731@yourchoice.nl> (argh, forgot the CC header) ----- Forwarded message from Hanno Liem ----- Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:58:17 +0100 From: Hanno Liem To: John W Baxter Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic bounce handling On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:30:15PM -0800, John W Baxter wrote: > >I have a short question to which I could not find anything in the archives > >or on the web. Silly perhaps, but: > > > >... is automatic bounce detection automatically enabled when you activate it > >on the status page? I wonder how this would work then - because as far as I > >can see, bounces go to the person who sent the posting to the list, and is > >never seen by mailman?! > > > >The way I *thought* it should work is by putting a reply-to header in the > >message which redirects to the mailman 'bounce handler' script. > > Sensible mail transport agents (MTAs) totally ignore the Reply-To: header, > and send bounces to the envelope sender (which a mail user usually doesn't > see). That address points back to the list's admin address. > > For the mailman-users list, the address is: > > Return-path: Hi John, thanx for your reply. I just checked - and in emails going out of my own mailman list, the 'return-path' header set to the poster of the message! And I did not see any place in the webinterface to change it?! One reason why this may be caused is because the 'reply-to' option is still set to the poster's address (this is an announcement mailing list, always sends mail from info@). I think it is a slight bug in Mailman that once this address is set, you cannot wipe it any more. I used to have an explicit reply-to header, but then stopped being silly and set it to 'poster'. Still cannot remove the address from the webinterface though. (I can change it to something else, but if I leave it empty and hit Submit, it comes up unchanged) Perhaps mailman sets the 'Return-path:' header to this address? grtz Han (cc:'ed to users-list in case any of the developers wants to know) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hanno Liem | hann0 on IRC | hanno at yourchoice.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought. But I do know that World War IV will be fought with rocks and spears." -- Albert Einstein From kd5de at nwla.com Sat Dec 29 16:01:04 2001 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:01:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix Message-ID: <3C2DDAB0.838A0FFE@nwla.com> Ok Mailmanners; I have one server that is running 14 list and these list are getting bigger by the hour. This is a physically hosted box and is a bit shy on horsepower. Currently running sendmail 8.10 and I can already foresee problems when the list reach the 1000 mark. I am considering Postfix, but this box has Front Page extensions installed. Has anyone else attemped such a deal and what are the problems I am looking at. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From ptomblin at xcski.com Sat Dec 29 17:01:22 2001 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:01:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it? In-Reply-To: <200112290951.fBT9p5H05904@quill.local>; from nb@thinkcoach.com on Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 10:51:05AM +0100 References: <3C2D5DDD.1660C10C@perkel.com> <200112290951.fBT9p5H05904@quill.local> Message-ID: <20011229110122.D23189@allhats.xcski.com> Quoting Norbert Bollow (nb at thinkcoach.com): > Only broken autoresponders are a problem, as the others will > ignore Mailman. Unfortunately, people insist on using that festering stink-hole of security violations known as Outhouse Excess, and the autoresponder on it is as broken as the rest of it. I've had to kick three people off my lists over the holidays because of these stupid "I'm out of the office" messages. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - spaf (1992) From jwise at newroads.org Sat Dec 29 17:40:11 2001 From: jwise at newroads.org (Joe Wise) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:40:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list server and mailman Message-ID: <000001c19087$7cfb1920$6501a8c0@newroads.org> Is there anyone using mailman as a list-server who can help a newbie? I am a physics teacher at a school in Santa Monica and I want to have my class on a list. Thanks, jwise at newroads.org From david at midrange.com Sat Dec 29 17:38:45 2001 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:38:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list server and mailman In-Reply-To: <000001c19087$7cfb1920$6501a8c0@newroads.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011229103752.025a4e10@linux.midrange.com> At 10:40 AM 12/29/2001, Joe Wise wrote: >Is there anyone using mailman as a list-server who can help a newbie? I am >a physics teacher at a school in Santa Monica and I want to have my class on >a list. Not to be too obvious, but just about everyone here is using mailman as a listserv ... and we're here to help newbies :) Post your question and I'd wager someone can help. david From jwise at newroads.org Sat Dec 29 18:09:32 2001 From: jwise at newroads.org (Joe Wise) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:09:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-serve Message-ID: <000101c1908b$95f1f300$6501a8c0@newroads.org> I thought so. Here goes. I set up a new list and it sends me a confirmation e-mail that I have a new list set up. I go to the website to configure my list as the administrator. I then try to join my list. I get an e-mail saying that I have to respond in order for my request to be validated. I resspond and get a mail daemon saying that the user is not known. Any help? Joe From david at midrange.com Sat Dec 29 18:08:29 2001 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:08:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-serve In-Reply-To: <000101c1908b$95f1f300$6501a8c0@newroads.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011229110714.02557ea8@linux.midrange.com> At 11:09 AM 12/29/2001, Joe Wise wrote: >I thought so. Here goes. I set up a new list and it sends me a >confirmation e-mail that I have a new list set up. I go to the website to >configure my list as the administrator. I then try to join my list. I get >an e-mail saying that I have to respond in order for my request to be >validated. I resspond and get a mail daemon saying that the user is not >known. Question the first: What version of Mailman are you using? Question the second: Did you register the aliases for the list with your mail server? david From skip at pobox.com Sat Dec 29 19:56:34 2001 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:56:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman doesn't understand email address details? Message-ID: <15406.4578.36107.353393@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com> I started experimenting with Jason Mastaler's TMDA spam fighting tool a few days ago. It allows you to generate time-sensitive reply addresses in outgoing mail like skip+dated+1009986941.df094a at pobox.com. Many MTAs support the use of such "detail" information. I discovered that Mailman doesn't, however. This makes it impossible to use dated addresses with closed mailing lists. Any chance that Mailman will recognize such addresses in the future? -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From marc at perkel.com Sat Dec 29 19:53:05 2001 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:53:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it? References: <3C2D5DDD.1660C10C@perkel.com> <200112290951.fBT9p5H05904@quill.local> Message-ID: <3C2E1111.1DF526FD@perkel.com> Norbert Bollow wrote: > > I have a problem. I created a list and dumped a bunch of emails into it. > > It sent an initial message to everyone - but one person is on vacation > > and the autoresponder responded. Now Mailman and the Autoresponder are > > sending messages back and forth. > > > > How do I make mailman ignore autoresponders? > > Only broken autoresponders are a problem, as the others will > ignore Mailman. > Yes - but - I'm about to dump 20,000 names into a list and there are probably a LOT of broken autoresponders out there. > Please share the specifics of the loop. I think the issue is that I dumped the names into the join box and it sent an initial message from "list-admin" and the autoresponder is replying to list-admin. > > Does the list do Reply-To: munging? > No > > Does the broken autoresponder put some header into its messages > which makes it possible to unambiguously recognize them as coming > from a robot? > I think it's a dumb responder. From nb at thinkcoach.com Sat Dec 29 19:57:43 2001 From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:57:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email looping - autoresponders - how to stop it? In-Reply-To: <3C2E1111.1DF526FD@perkel.com> (message from Marc Perkel on Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:53:05 -0800) References: <3C2D5DDD.1660C10C@perkel.com> <200112290951.fBT9p5H05904@quill.local> <3C2E1111.1DF526FD@perkel.com> Message-ID: <200112291857.fBTIvhr03010@quill.local> Marc Perkel wrote: > Yes - but - I'm about to dump 20,000 names into a list and there are probably > a LOT of broken autoresponders out there. > > > Please share the specifics of the loop. > > I think the issue is that I dumped the names into the join box and it sent an > initial message from "list-admin" and the autoresponder is replying to > list-admin. You could change the list-admin alias to deliver to a mailbox, then add those 20,000 new subscribers, then wait a day or so, then change the list-admin alias back. Greetings, Norbert. -- A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month http://cisto.com From claw at kanga.nu Sat Dec 29 22:42:48 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:42:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list server and mailman In-Reply-To: Message from "Joe Wise" of "Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:40:11 PST." <000001c19087$7cfb1920$6501a8c0@newroads.org> References: <000001c19087$7cfb1920$6501a8c0@newroads.org> Message-ID: <11660.1009662168@kanga.nu> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:40:11 -0800 Joe Wise wrote: > Is there anyone using mailman as a list-server who can help a > newbie? I am a physics teacher at a school in Santa Monica and I > want to have my class on a list. Sure, what do you need? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From ad3u at cms.mail.virginia.edu Sun Dec 30 03:59:23 2001 From: ad3u at cms.mail.virginia.edu (Anand Desai) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password for posting to announce-only list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200112300259.VAA12051@www.mail.Virginia.EDU> Hi, I'm new to this list, so I apologize if my question appeared soon before, but I didn't see it in the archives. I'm setting up an announce-only Mailman list for a weekly newsletter with about 1200 members, so it's very important that no unauthorized users can post. Is there a way to configure Mailman to require a password for posting? I'm worried that a fake message appearing to come from the address of an authorized poster would be sent to the list. Ideally I would like to have several addresses from which messages could be posted with a password or some other means of authentication. If messages can be posted from the Web interface with a password, that would be OK as well. Thanks in advance! --Anand Desai From michelle at primelogic.com Sun Dec 30 04:46:02 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:46:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: <6617.1009605616@kanga.nu> References: <6617.1009605616@kanga.nu> Message-ID: >On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:06:53 -0800 >Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > >> My mailhost is chugging away, trying over and over to deliver to a >> large batch of addresses with a .gov domain that doesn't resolve; >> this particular .gov nameserver is obviously having problems. And >> it's not from the sendmail's mail queue; /var/spool/mqueue/ is >> completely empty. It's Mailman reattempting to send to the >> problem addresses. > >Configure your MTA to not do DNS verifies on deliveries from >localhost. > >-- >J C Lawrence >---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. >claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? >http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. But since none of the subscribers are local, I don't see how that will help in this situation. And as I said, the batch of reattempts didn't seem to be coming from sendmail's mail queue. The only explanation is that Mailman must have a means of keeping track of failed deliveries. .\\ichelle --------------------- Michelle Brownsworth System Administrator PrimeLogic Corporation http://www.primelogic.com From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Sun Dec 30 07:26:19 2001 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:26:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help setting up mailing list Message-ID: I sent a message with no responses so i'll try agian. I am having difficulty getting a mailing list to work, when I create a new list, it doesn't send a message to me (root) telling me which page to to go or how to subscribe. I don't think this is a permission problem but bin/check_perms will not run correctly from any directory. Does anyone know why I wouldn't recieve a message when I create a new list? I see that the mailman logs say failure but doesn't say why and var/log/messages doesn't report anything. thanks.. From dan at ssc.com Sun Dec 30 08:10:15 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:10:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix In-Reply-To: <3C2DDAB0.838A0FFE@nwla.com> References: <3C2DDAB0.838A0FFE@nwla.com> Message-ID: <20011229231015.C18094@ssc.com> What possible relationship would there be between Postfix and Front Page Extensions???!!!??? Aside from the usual problems entailed in converting from one MTA to another (i.e., learning how to port any local peculiarities in setup and config from sendmail to Postfix), I for one would not forsee any peculiarities. 1000 recipients should be well within reach of default configuration with Postfix. One caveat: if the box is really limited and you are relying on it to deliver other mail in a timely manner, you may see delays of other mail, especially if very many list recipients require multiple attempts before delivery is successful. On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:01:04AM -0600, mel wrote: > Ok Mailmanners; I have one server that is running 14 list and these list are > getting bigger by the hour. This is a physically hosted box and is a bit shy > on horsepower. Currently running sendmail 8.10 and I can already foresee > problems when the list reach the 1000 mark. I am considering Postfix, but this > box has Front Page extensions installed. Has anyone else attemped such a deal > and what are > the problems I am looking at. > Mel > -- > -------------------------- > System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com > Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 > -------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From benny at bennyvision.com Sun Dec 30 08:47:58 2001 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:47:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help setting up mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Justin Zygmont wrote: > I am having difficulty getting a mailing list to work, when I create a new > list, it doesn't send a message to me (root) telling me which page to to > go or how to subscribe. I don't think this is a permission problem but > bin/check_perms will not run correctly from any directory. If check_perms doesn't run correctly, how are you sure it's not a permissions problem? What directory are you trying to run check_perms from? What are the permissions on ~mailman/bin/check_perms? What error messages do you get when you try to run check_perms? What does /var/log/maillog say about things? > Does anyone know why I wouldn't recieve a message when I create a new > list? I see that the mailman logs say failure but doesn't say why and > var/log/messages doesn't report anything. What do the various log files in ~mailman/logs say? Toss us a bone here - we're not mindreaders. :) We need some more information to try to help. Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The onions are irritating my buttocks." - Sluggy Freelance 10-12-1998 From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Sun Dec 30 09:42:25 2001 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 03:42:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: problems setting up a mailing list Message-ID: Thanks for the reply, this info should help out more... here is the output of bin/check_perms: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ? checkmail() File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail mode = statmode(wrapper) File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper' here's the last 10 lines of logs/post Dec 30 03:34:02 2001 (32690) post to procomm-general from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1327, 1 failures Dec 30 03:34:02 2001 (32690) post to test from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1283, 1 failures Dec 30 03:35:04 2001 (32694) post to procomm-general from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1327, 1 failures Dec 30 03:35:05 2001 (32694) post to test from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1283, 1 failures Dec 30 03:36:01 2001 (32698) post to procomm-general from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1327, 1 failures Dec 30 03:36:01 2001 (32698) post to test from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1283, 1 failures Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) post to procomm-general from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1327, 1 failures Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) post to test from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1283, 1 failures Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) post to procomm-general from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1327, 1 failures Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) post to test from mailman-owner at solarflow, size=1283, 1 failures here's the last 10 lines of logs/smtp: Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) All recipients refused: host not found Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.071 seconds Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) All recipients refused: host not found Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.123 seconds Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) All recipients refused: host not found Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.072 seconds Dec 30 03:39:02 2001 (32717) All recipients refused: host not found Dec 30 03:39:02 2001 (32717) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.115 seconds Dec 30 03:39:03 2001 (32717) All recipients refused: host not found Dec 30 03:39:03 2001 (32717) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.073 seconds here's the last 10 lines of logs/smtp-failure: Dec 30 03:35:04 2001 (32694) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:35:05 2001 (32694) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:36:01 2001 (32698) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:36:01 2001 (32698) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:39:02 2001 (32717) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) Dec 30 03:39:03 2001 (32717) -1 root at solarflow.dyndns.org (ignore) From benny at bennyvision.com Sun Dec 30 09:50:29 2001 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:50:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: problems setting up a mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Justin Zygmont wrote: > here is the output of bin/check_perms: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ? > checkmail() > File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail > mode = statmode(wrapper) > File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode > return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper' OK, THAT is a problem. If wrapper isn't there, no mail is going to be handled. How did you install Mailman (pardon me if you mentioned it in a previous post, I'm just catching up on my email)? RPM? From source? .deb? > here's the last 10 lines of logs/smtp: > > Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) All recipients refused: host not found > Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.071 seconds > Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) All recipients refused: host not found > Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.123 seconds > Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) All recipients refused: host not found > Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.072 seconds > Dec 30 03:39:02 2001 (32717) All recipients refused: host not found > Dec 30 03:39:02 2001 (32717) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.115 seconds > Dec 30 03:39:03 2001 (32717) All recipients refused: host not found > Dec 30 03:39:03 2001 (32717) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.073 seconds It looks like your mailserver (or whatever host Mailman is running on) can't resolve hostnames. Check to make sure your local host has both 'localhost' and 'your-FQDN' in it's /etc/hosts file to be safe. Also, make sure your MTA can resolve the hostname and domain you subscribed yourself with. It'll need to relay from localhost (this can be a problem with QMail). Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The onions are irritating my buttocks." - Sluggy Freelance 10-12-1998 From dwchin at umich.edu Sun Dec 30 13:39:37 2001 From: dwchin at umich.edu (David Chin) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:39:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying the List-* headers Message-ID: <20011230123937.82AD8362@tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu> Howdy, Couldn't find this question in the FAQ, though it seems like it would be a common one to ask. Is there a way to modify the List-* headers that go out with each message? I'd like to have it so that the mailto: URI comes before the http: URI, since it sux to have a browser come up when all you need to do is send a message to listname-unsubscribe or whatnot. Ta in advance, --Dave Chin dwchin at umich.edu From dwchin at umich.edu Sun Dec 30 13:54:30 2001 From: dwchin at umich.edu (David Chin) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:54:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create script missing in 2.0.8 installation Message-ID: <20011230125430.846DD362@tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu> Hullo, I just installed mailman 2.0.8, and was able to use the command-line to create a test list, and also a functioning (non-test) list. However, there seems to be no "create" script as the documentation seems to suggest. Is this right? Or is my install broken? --Dave Chin dwchin at umich.edu From david at midrange.com Sun Dec 30 14:04:41 2001 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:04:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] create script missing in 2.0.8 installation Message-ID: <4055.192.168.1.10.1009717481.squirrel@webmail.midrange.com> > I just installed mailman 2.0.8, and was able to use the command-line to > create a test list, and also a functioning (non-test) list. However, > there seems to be no "create" script as the documentation seems to > suggest. Is this right? Or is my install broken? Check in the bin directory for the 'newlist' command. david From dwchin at umich.edu Sun Dec 30 14:10:20 2001 From: dwchin at umich.edu (David Chin) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:10:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create script missing in 2.0.8 installation In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011230140048.0241af08@mail.venus.it> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011230140048.0241af08@mail.venus.it> Message-ID: <20011230131020.C4823362@tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu> In message <5.1.0.14.2.20011230140048.0241af08 at mail.venus.it>, Luigi Rosa write s: > At 30/12/2001 07.54 -0500, David Chin wrote: > > >I just installed mailman 2.0.8, and was able to use the command-line to > >create a test list, and also a functioning (non-test) list. However, there > >seems to be no "create" script as the documentation seems to suggest. Is > >this right? Or is my install broken? > > AFAIK, there is no such script: you have to create the list and then > cut-and-paste the aliases into your alias file. My mistake: I was looking at the 2.1 docs, instead of the 2.0.* docs. Cheers, --Dave Chin dwchin at umich.edu From admin at blindi.net Sun Dec 30 15:53:09 2001 From: admin at blindi.net (Thomas Hoellriegel) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:53:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors and questions mailman Message-ID: hi, i setup a mailinglist for blind folks. i have differently questions: 1. a non-subscriber send a message to my list. mailman give i reply. i Approve the message, go on the submit-button. the message will only saved in the archiv. is this option disabled, mailman send the message to the subscribers. is this a mailman-bug? 2. then a subscriber send a mail to my list, mailman say the following error in /home/mailman/logs/error: Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): Traceback (most recent call last): Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): kids = main(lock) Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): os.unlink(root+'.db') Dec 26 19:08:01 2001 qrunner(31906): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/qfiles/996a9e524b3b9897ad5b738bf84cb8abc70e2b60.db' can your help me pleas? thankx. --------------- tel : 089 693 75 214 homepage: http://www.blindi.net blinde-misc mailingliste f?r blinde. anmeldung unter: http://www.blindi.net/mailman/listinfo/blinde-misc From dwchin at umich.edu Sun Dec 30 16:31:27 2001 From: dwchin at umich.edu (David Chin) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:31:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying the List-* headers In-Reply-To: <20011230123937.82AD8362@tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu> References: <20011230123937.82AD8362@tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu> Message-ID: <20011230153127.1C6FD362@tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu> In message <20011230123937.82AD8362 at tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu>, David Chin w rites: > > Is there a way to modify the List-* headers that go out with each message? > I'd like to have it so that the mailto: URI comes before the http: URI, > since it sux to have a browser come up when all you need to do is send a > message to listname-unsubscribe or whatnot. Found the appropriate thing in $prefix/Mailman/CookHeaders.py: # DWCHIN: change subfieldfmt to put the mailto: link first #subfieldfmt = '<%s>, ' subfieldfmt = ', <%s>' listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1) # # TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we # leave it in for historical reasons. #headers = { # 'List-Id' : listid, # 'List-Help' : '' % requestaddr, # 'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'), # 'List-Subscribe' : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''), # 'List-Post' : '' % mlist.GetListEmail(), # } # DWCHIN: change headers to put the mailto: link first headers = { 'List-Id' : listid, 'List-Help' : '' % requestaddr, 'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (requestaddr, 'un', listinfo), 'List-Subscribe' : subfieldfmt % (requestaddr, '', listinfo), 'List-Post' : '' % mlist.GetListEmail(), } # Cheers, --Dave dwchin at umich.edu From backdoc at crotchett.com Sun Dec 30 18:10:16 2001 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:10:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config questions Message-ID: <032b01c19154$da87d560$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> I am setting up my first list server on FreeBSD. I used the ports/packages to install Mailman. Anyway, following the setup directions on the Mailman website has raised a couple of questions. The first question is in regards to the warning in the Mailman online documentation to not be root while running ./configure. Since I didn't have to run configure, and since I was root when I installed the Mailman pkg, I was concerned that I might need change the owners from root to mailman. The group is already set to mailman. But, the owner is root for all of the files (recursively) in /usr/local/mailman/*. So, should I chown -R mailman /usr/local/mailman? The second question that I ran into was while checking permissions. As root, the permissions checked OK. But, I wanted to run the permissions as mailman. So, I tried to su to mailman. But, su'ing to mailman returns the message, "This account is currently not available". Now that I have gone back and re-read the directions again, I see that they tell you to "become the user that did the installation (and that owns all the files in $prefix), or root". So, going to user mailman wouldn't have worked anyway. But, here again, it seems like root and the "user that did the installation" should not be the same. My question here is, why can't I su to mailman? I thought it might be because no password was set for mailman. So, I gave it one. Was that a mistake? The ability to su to mailman looks like it is going to be a problem when I get to the crontab step. Thanks in advance, Darren From wun at luna.nl Sun Dec 30 20:56:26 2001 From: wun at luna.nl (wun at luna.nl) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:56:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject line Message-ID: <13su2uo3qgc5gbi47titdfq54vi0nl46pk@4ax.com> Hello, I am new to Mailman. I have searched thru FAQs and manuals but cannot find the answer there. I want to block discussions about viruses and stuff like that on the list, and I'd like to do that by putting a filter on the word 'virus' in the subject line. Where should I add that filter? In the Privacy Block (Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp.)??? And what is the syntax? Thanks Ary From cewatts at frontier.net Sun Dec 30 22:24:25 2001 From: cewatts at frontier.net (Charlie Watts) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:24:25 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > >On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:06:53 -0800 > >Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > > > >> My mailhost is chugging away, trying over and over to deliver to a > >> large batch of addresses with a .gov domain that doesn't resolve; > >> this particular .gov nameserver is obviously having problems. And > >> it's not from the sendmail's mail queue; /var/spool/mqueue/ is > >> completely empty. It's Mailman reattempting to send to the > >> problem addresses. > > > >Configure your MTA to not do DNS verifies on deliveries from > >localhost. > > But since none of the subscribers are local, I don't see how that > will help in this situation. And as I said, the batch of reattempts > didn't seem to be coming from sendmail's mail queue. The only > explanation is that Mailman must have a means of keeping track of > failed deliveries. Perhaps a re-phrasing: configure your MTA to blindly accept mail from localhost without verifying that the *destination* domain is valid. Many MTA configurations won't accept mail that they know they can't deliver - if the destination domain doesn't resolve, there's no point in accepting it. So the MTA reports, typically, a temporary SMTP error. Sounds like Mailman is trying, over and over, to get these messages into the MTA. If you instead configure your MTA to accept the message, it will accept it and immediately generate a bounce. Mailman does the right thing with bounces. Here's an example: my list of SMTPD restrictions from postfix. I reject mail for unknown recipient domains - but I have an exception list for my list servers. /etc/postfix/class_host_exception includes localhost and a few other machines that I let dump blindly into the system. smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/class_host_exception, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_invalid_hostname, permit This can also speed up injection into the MTA, if that's important to you. -- Charlie Watts cewatts at frontier.net Frontier Internet http://www.frontier.net/ From michelle at primelogic.com Sun Dec 30 23:37:08 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:37:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Michelle Brownsworth wrote: >> >On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:06:53 -0800 >> >Michelle Brownsworth wrote: >> > >> >> My mailhost is chugging away, trying over and over to deliver to a >> >> large batch of addresses with a .gov domain that doesn't resolve; >> >> this particular .gov nameserver is obviously having problems. And >> >> it's not from the sendmail's mail queue; /var/spool/mqueue/ is >> >> completely empty. It's Mailman reattempting to send to the >> >> problem addresses. >> > >> >Configure your MTA to not do DNS verifies on deliveries from >> >localhost. >> >> But since none of the subscribers are local, I don't see how that >> will help in this situation. And as I said, the batch of reattempts >> didn't seem to be coming from sendmail's mail queue. The only >> explanation is that Mailman must have a means of keeping track of >> failed deliveries. > >Perhaps a re-phrasing: configure your MTA to blindly accept mail from >localhost without verifying that the *destination* domain is valid. > >Many MTA configurations won't accept mail that they know they can't >deliver - if the destination domain doesn't resolve, there's no point in >accepting it. So the MTA reports, typically, a temporary SMTP error. > >Sounds like Mailman is trying, over and over, to get these messages into >the MTA. > >If you instead configure your MTA to accept the message, it will accept it >and immediately generate a bounce. Mailman does the right thing with >bounces. > >Here's an example: my list of SMTPD restrictions from postfix. I reject >mail for unknown recipient domains - but I have an exception list for my >list servers. /etc/postfix/class_host_exception includes localhost and a >few other machines that I let dump blindly into the system. > >smtpd_recipient_restrictions = > check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/class_host_exception, > reject_unknown_sender_domain, > reject_unknown_recipient_domain, > reject_unauth_pipelining, > permit_mynetworks, > reject_unauth_destination, > reject_non_fqdn_sender, > reject_non_fqdn_recipient, > reject_invalid_hostname, > permit > >This can also speed up injection into the MTA, if that's important to you. > >-- >Charlie Watts >cewatts at frontier.net >Frontier Internet >http://www.frontier.net/ That makes good sense, Charlie. Only problem is, I don't know how to accomplish it in sendmail without enabling FEATURE(relay_local_from), something I am loath to do for security reasons. According to cf/README in the sendmail source: FEATURE(relay_local_from) Allows relaying if the domain portion of the mail sender is a local host. This should only be used if absolutely necessary as it opens a window for spammers. Specifically, they can send mail to your mail server that claims to be from your domain (either directly or via a routed address), and you will go ahead and relay it out to arbitrary hosts on the Internet. If anyone on the list can tell me how to configure sendmail to accept mail from localhost without checking for a valid domain either without using FEATURE(relay_local_from) or using it without compromising security, I would greatly appreciate it. .\\ichelle --------------------- Michelle Brownsworth System Administrator PrimeLogic Corporation http://www.primelogic.com From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 31 04:21:10 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:21:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying the List-* headers In-Reply-To: Message from David Chin of "Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:39:37 EST." <20011230123937.82AD8362@tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu> References: <20011230123937.82AD8362@tenaya.physics.lsa.umich.edu> Message-ID: <22383.1009768870@kanga.nu> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:39:37 -0500 David Chin wrote: > Is there a way to modify the List-* headers that go out with each > message? I'd like to have it so that the mailto: URI comes before > the http: URI, since it sux to have a browser come up when all you > need to do is send a message to listname-unsubscribe or whatnot. Without modifying the source, no (not that this wouldn't be a Good Thing). Note: that the order and precedence with which an agent handles multiple alternate values in the List-Header is up to the agent in question. Its quite reasonable _as_well_for agents to be configurable as to which they prick and vive precedence to. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 31 04:24:30 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:24:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: Message from Michelle Brownsworth of "Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:37:08 PST." References: Message-ID: <22461.1009769070@kanga.nu> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:37:08 -0800 Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > That makes good sense, Charlie. Only problem is, I don't know how > to accomplish it in sendmail without enabling > FEATURE(relay_local_from), something I am loath to do for security > reasons. According to cf/README in the sendmail source: You have just found one of the larger reasons Sendmail is well thought on these lists. > If anyone on the list can tell me how to configure sendmail to > accept mail from localhost without checking for a valid domain > either without using FEATURE(relay_local_from) or using it without > compromising security, I would greatly appreciate it. Chuq Von Rospach has posted extensive details on the area to the -developers list. Search the archives (it may also have been copied to the FAQ by now). Best advice: Install a decent MTA. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From Jorgen.Skogstad at Sun.COM Fri Dec 28 23:26:15 2001 From: Jorgen.Skogstad at Sun.COM (Jorgen Skogstad - Sun Norway - System Specialist - Professional Services) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:26:15 +0-100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reg. configuration of new lists / wrong urls in admin interface .. Message-ID: <200112282221.fBSMLXh28143@sunno.Norway.Sun.COM> Kindest .. I'm having a few problems with my setup of Mailman. I've configured Aolserver v3.x to run Mailman as a cgi application. Now I can configure a new mailing list and see it in the listing/first page; http://www..no/mailman/admin I can click on the test list .. and login and then is forwarded to the administrative interface; http://www..no/mailman/admin/test This is when the problem starts; all urls listed in the "header" here are given wrong; in essence all urls here are missing the "mailman" part of the url which of course gives an error when clicked as the target url then does not reach the "cgi enabled page 'domain'". The urls on this page are; http://www..no/admin/test/members http://www..no/admin/test/privacy http://www..no/admin/test/nondigest http://www..no/admin/test/bounce . . . and so forth. I've tried the following things; 1) Verified the Defaults.py script; DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www..no/mailman/' ... which should be correct .. 2) Not put anything in the mm_cfg.py file .. ... which should make the lists use the "Defaults.py" file; DEFAULT_URL ... but urls are still wrong .. 3) Used config_list to export all list information .. edited it to reflect the correct url .. imported it again .. and the urls end up wrong again. . how on earth can I get this to work?! Would appriciate any input .. as I'm at a dead end here. I really do not want to hack around in the code as I am not a Python expert .. at least not yet. ;) Anyone have some tips they could share as to what I can do next? Would be greatly apriciated! All of you have a real nice day! -- Med vennlig hilsen, J?rgen Skogstad /\ System Specialist \\ \ \ \\ / Sun Microsystems AS / \/ / / Ullev?l Stadion / / \//\ N-0805 Oslo, NORWAY \//\ / / / / /\ / Phone: + 47 23 36 96 00 / \\ \ Cellular: + 47 92 41 30 23 \ \\ Fax: + 47 23 26 96 01 \/ EMail: jorgen.skogstad at Norway.Sun.Com Web: www.sun.no BTW; Opinions formed by myself in informal mailings are mine and not of my employer. From Jorgen.Skogstad at Sun.COM Fri Dec 28 23:26:57 2001 From: Jorgen.Skogstad at Sun.COM (Jorgen Skogstad - Sun Norway - System Specialist - Professional Services) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:26:57 +0-100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reg. my latest post / wrong admin interface urls .. Message-ID: <200112282222.fBSMMFh28165@sunno.Norway.Sun.COM> . just wanted to inform you guys of a test I did: I changed the entry for the default urls of a list by using "config_list". I changed the web_page_url entry from: web_page_url = 'http://www..no/mailman/' . to: web_page_url = 'http://www..no/mailman//' . and for some bogus reason it now seems to work. My setup is Mailman v2.0.7, Aolserver v3.2 (I think!) w/cgi enabled config, running mailman on the mailserver and exported to the web server through nfs. As such; this seems to be a bug .. is this a know "feature" or shoud this be reported as one? Anyways; happy hacking! -- Med vennlig hilsen, J?rgen Skogstad /\ System Specialist \\ \ \ \\ / Sun Microsystems AS / \/ / / Ullev?l Stadion / / \//\ N-0805 Oslo, NORWAY \//\ / / / / /\ / Phone: + 47 23 36 96 00 / \\ \ Cellular: + 47 92 41 30 23 \ \\ Fax: + 47 23 26 96 01 \/ EMail: jorgen.skogstad at Norway.Sun.Com Web: www.sun.no BTW; Opinions formed by myself in informal mailings are mine and not of my employer. From handyman at strato.net Sat Dec 29 13:06:37 2001 From: handyman at strato.net (Dick Chagnot) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:06:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup help Message-ID: <002901c19061$46f567c0$7edc2d40@default> Hello: I have a website named service-handyman.com hosted by YGC. They furnish mailman as their webmail handling program. I am attempting to setup a list to receive a form from my site to furnish the first name and email address of visitors that wish to subscribe to my newsletter. I would like to set this up so that when they click on the subscribe button, the name and email address is added to the subscriber list. All the attempts I have tried attempt to post the information to the list and I get an administrative request to accept or reject the information for POSTING. I want the submitted name and address added to the maillist not posted. How do I set this up? YGC advised me to use the subscribe form but it contains passwords, no name input and other info I do not need. Please help. Thanks Dick Chagnot service-handyman.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011229/14991f49/attachment.htm From layton at socket.net Sat Dec 29 20:38:57 2001 From: layton at socket.net (Layton Light) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:38:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do you have any say in who uses your software? Message-ID: I recently tried to unsubscribe to a e-mail list that I had been on quite a while due to it switching over to your software and the resulting chaos and poor attitude shown by the list administrator. The site is at: http://lists.off-road.com/mailman/listinfo/toy4x4 Below is an un-edited transcript of the e-mail exchange between the administrator and myself. Is this the kind of example you want to set for the success of your software? Fri 12/28/2001 7:16 AM Sent to: toy4x4-admin at lists.off-road.com I have "unsubscribed" as directions listed and got a successful unsubscribe response from the automated system. You can see by the header info that I am still getting list mail a day after unsubscribing. Say what you will about the idiots who can't do it. There's something screwed up here! Please remove me. Layton Light Fri 12/28/2001 11:13 PM Sent to: toy4x4-owner at lists.off-road.com I will send as many e-mails as necessary to get this stuff to stop coming to me. I am UNSUBSCRIBED! According to the web page and I'm still getting stuff. STOP IT PLEASE! Fri 12/28/2001 11:57 PM From: PJC at ORC_OFFICE [pjc at mail.off-road.com] When did you unsubscribe? Sat 12/29/2001 8:25 AM Sent to: PJC at ORC_OFFICE I unsubscribed on Wednesday morning (11/26/01). The mail has stopped now. Did you do something or was there some sort of lag time involved here? I am fairly computer and internet savvy and have been on other lists with no problems. The problems I'm seeing on this list do seem unusual. Good luck with it. It's winter and my truck is in storage, so I'll probably re-subscribe in the spring. Thanks, Layton Light Sat 12/29/2001 10:25 AM From: pjc at off-road.com [pjc at tecate.off-road.com] Just as I said in numerous emails to every list, there is a lag time. Sat 12/29/2001 12:29 PM Sent to: pjc at off-road.com Well how long is this lag time supposed to be? I just got 30 more e-mails after un-subscribing on Wednesday for crying out loud! I've never, and I mean NEVER, had this problem on any of about 5 or 6 other lists I've subscribed-to and un-subscribed-from a dozen times! And I've never seen a list so disrupted, with so many pissed off people, by either lousy software or lousy administration of software in my life! Fix it, or find someone who can! Layton Light Sat 12/29/2001 12:37 PM From: pjc at off-road.com [pjc at tecate.off-road.com] You are now banned. As you can see, he did not fix the problem. He only banned me to keep from hearing my criticism. I am still getting e-mail from the list and may have to resort to contacting my ISP to bounce their stuff back to them. If this is licensed in any way, I think he should have the license yanked, as he obviously doesn't know how to use your software! Sign up for the list to see how much of it has been taken over by people in the same position as me who are unable to un-subscribe or to get mail to stop coming from the list! Layton Light From artie at melbourne.net Sun Dec 30 22:12:38 2001 From: artie at melbourne.net (Artie Stevens) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:12:38 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Radiomail Message-ID: We have had a hard drive blow out and lost our admin password. Is there any way of it being emailed to the registered administrator? Artie From bertha at yetta.net Mon Dec 31 05:04:01 2001 From: bertha at yetta.net (That Funky Chick) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:04:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List management via e-mail Message-ID: <20011230230401.A4763@yetta.net> Hi there! One of the list managers here is coming from majordomo, and would like to know if he can continue to do list configuration via e-mail. I couldn't find anything about it on the list.org site, or in Chris Kolar's excellent documentation. Is this possible, or is he restricted to web-based management now? Thanks for any help you can give! -Bertha -- Windows 3.1 - From the people who brought you EDLIN. From reed at icpdas.com Mon Dec 31 08:47:30 2001 From: reed at icpdas.com (Reed Lai) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:47:30 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] decoding bug of non-ascii MIME encoded subject Message-ID: <20011231154730.A3114@dan.icpdas.com> Pipermail 0.05 (Mailman edition) does not seem to decode non-ascii MIME subject correctly under some conditions, even the "Prefix for subject line of list postings" has been emptied. Attached ma1 files are captured before ma2 files. The messages sent by Reed Lai are subjected with iso-8859-1 encoding for big5 characters. The messages sent by SunnyCat are subjected with big5 encoding for big5 characters. The decoding seems to be determined by last message. -- Reed Lai (key #1) http://w3.icpdas.com/reed/ Fingerprint 7EB3 6A2B 3C32 64E9 232C D7F7 61BF F5B2 7199 EAD3 ICP DAS Co., Ltd. http://www.icpdas.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01C18FC2.A4D5FFC0-- >From sunny at icpdas.com Mon Dec 31 03:01:33 2001 From: sunny at icpdas.com (SunnyCat) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:01:33 +0800 Subject: =?big5?B?pKSk5bT6uNUz?= Message-ID: <002d01c191a7$744db460$0e1ea8c0 at ICPDAS.COM> ???????D????3 >From reed at icpdas.com Mon Dec 31 03:29:24 2001 From: reed at icpdas.com (Reed Lai) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:29:24 +0800 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A4=A4=A4=E5=B4=FA=B8=D53?= In-Reply-To: <002d01c191a7$744db460$0e1ea8c0 at ICPDAS.COM>; from sunny at icpdas.com on Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 11:01:33AM +0800 References: <002d01c191a7$744db460$0e1ea8c0 at ICPDAS.COM> Message-ID: <20011231112924.A2706 at dan.icpdas.com> Reply test. On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 11:01:33AM +0800, SunnyCat wrote: > ???????D????3 > > ___________________________________________ > ICPDAS Test mailing list -- Test at icpdas.com > http://www.icpdas.com/mailman/listinfo/test -- Reed Lai (key #1) http://w3.icpdas.com/reed/ Fingerprint 7EB3 6A2B 3C32 64E9 232C D7F7 61BF F5B2 7199 EAD3 ICP DAS Co., Ltd. http://www.icpdas.com/ >From sunny at icpdas.com Mon Dec 31 03:50:08 2001 From: sunny at icpdas.com (SunnyCat) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:50:08 +0800 Subject: =?big5?B?pKSk5bzQw0S0+rjVNA==?= Message-ID: <003701c191ae$3daefde0$0e1ea8c0 at ICPDAS.COM> ???????D????4 From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Mon Dec 31 08:28:30 2001 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:28:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: problems setting up a mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for your reply, I installed mailman with the 2.0.8 tarfile. I checked the tar file and mail/wrapper doesn't exist within it, i'm not sure if this is supposed to get created diring the 'make install' or not. I am running sendmail and I know it will resolv hostnames, etc fine. All mail services work ok for me. On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, C. Bensend wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Justin Zygmont wrote: > > > here is the output of bin/check_perms: > > > > Traceback (innermost last): > > File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ? > > checkmail() > > File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail > > mode = statmode(wrapper) > > File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode > > return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] > > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper' > > OK, THAT is a problem. If wrapper isn't there, no mail > is going to be handled. > > How did you install Mailman (pardon me if you mentioned it in > a previous post, I'm just catching up on my email)? RPM? From > source? .deb? > > > here's the last 10 lines of logs/smtp: > > > > Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) All recipients refused: host not found > > Dec 30 03:37:02 2001 (32701) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.071 seconds > > Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) All recipients refused: host not found > > Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.123 seconds > > Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) All recipients refused: host not found > > Dec 30 03:38:02 2001 (32704) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.072 seconds > > Dec 30 03:39:02 2001 (32717) All recipients refused: host not found > > Dec 30 03:39:02 2001 (32717) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.115 seconds > > Dec 30 03:39:03 2001 (32717) All recipients refused: host not found > > Dec 30 03:39:03 2001 (32717) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.073 seconds > It looks like your mailserver (or whatever host Mailman is > running on) can't resolve hostnames. Check to make sure > your local host has both 'localhost' and 'your-FQDN' in > it's /etc/hosts file to be safe. > > Also, make sure your MTA can resolve the hostname and domain > you subscribed yourself with. It'll need to relay from > localhost (this can be a problem with QMail). > > Benny > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "The onions are irritating my buttocks." - Sluggy Freelance > 10-12-1998 > > From michelle at primelogic.com Mon Dec 31 08:48:21 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:48:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: <22461.1009769070@kanga.nu> References: <22461.1009769070@kanga.nu> Message-ID: >On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:37:08 -0800 >Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > >> That makes good sense, Charlie. Only problem is, I don't know how >> to accomplish it in sendmail without enabling >> FEATURE(relay_local_from), something I am loath to do for security >> reasons. According to cf/README in the sendmail source: > >You have just found one of the larger reasons Sendmail is well >thought on these lists. > >> If anyone on the list can tell me how to configure sendmail to >> accept mail from localhost without checking for a valid domain >> either without using FEATURE(relay_local_from) or using it without >> compromising security, I would greatly appreciate it. > >Chuq Von Rospach has posted extensive details on the area to the >-developers list. Search the archives (it may also have been copied >to the FAQ by now). > >Best advice: Install a decent MTA. > >-- >J C Lawrence >---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. >claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? >http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Okay, okay... I know when to throw in the towel. :^) I'll investigate Postfix, with the hope that it's better than Qmail. After running it on a server for a couple of years, I don't care for Qmail at all. .\\ichelle From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 31 09:21:28 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:21:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: Message from Michelle Brownsworth of "Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:48:21 PST." References: <22461.1009769070@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <25112.1009786888@kanga.nu> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:48:21 -0800 Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > Okay, okay... I know when to throw in the towel. :^) I'll > investigate Postfix, with the hope that it's better than > Qmail. > After running it on a server for a couple of years, I don't care > for Qmail at all. I like, run, and generally recommend both Postfix and Exim. They each have significant advantages depending on your loads. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From kd5de at nwla.com Mon Dec 31 14:45:04 2001 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:45:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Brain Dead Message-ID: <3C306BE0.D89FAE22@nwla.com> Well I am know to have my "Senior Moments", But this morning I have experienced total brain death. I am trying to get the copyright character into a footer on a Announce Only list that is a daily devoitional that is published by one of my clients. I think that I tried everything under the sun but the right syntax. Someone help this old grouch please. BTW this is the list server that is verylow in horsepower and I have cloned the whole mess to a test box and trying so far in vain to get postfix to work in a total virtual domain setup. But since all 14 of the list are announce only and they become active at midnight tonight maybe it will hold up until I can get postfix up on a better server. Thanks for the postfix hints and kinks. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From davidk at expressdata.net Mon Dec 31 16:49:24 2001 From: davidk at expressdata.net (David Krebsbach) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:49:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Sendmail issue Message-ID: The server platform is RedHat version 7.2, Sendmail 8.11 and Mailman 2.08. My problem is an error generated when the post script is run. If my sendmail config file MTA entry is set for the correct IP an error is generated in the mailman/smtp error log "connection refused", but I can send email back and forth through Sendmail. If I put the loopback address 127.0.0.1 for the MTA in my sendmail config file the postings will go out but mail cannot be sent back to the server since the loopback address is in the config file not the correct ip address. I found a couple of archives referring to the connection refused error, but I could not find any response to correct the problem. Any guidance would be appreciated. From kd5de at nwla.com Mon Dec 31 17:15:49 2001 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:15:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Sendmail issue References: Message-ID: <3C308F35.E3A7AFEC@nwla.com> Well David by default Red Hat 7.2 does not port mail through the LAN. I had to do two thing first of all in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc I had to dnl this line DAEMON_OPTIONS (`Port_SMTP, ADDR=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA`) and rebuild the sendmail.cf and Then in the /etc/mail/access I had to add 127.0.0.1 RELAY and also the DOMAIN and the IP range thereof for Relay. Sorry I haven't been paying attention to the list much very bust day. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From p150 at paradogs.com Mon Dec 31 17:35:15 2001 From: p150 at paradogs.com (P150 - EiTheL Corp.) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:35:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about setting qmail + vpopmail Message-ID: <00e201c19219$2041b7a0$1201a8c0@triniti> Hi there, Im sure some asked it befire but i cant find it in archives. Im using qmail + vpopmail to set virtualhosts and i dont know hot to setup alias and other things to run mailman. Someone could help me please? thks in advance. From davidk at expressdata.net Mon Dec 31 17:35:53 2001 From: davidk at expressdata.net (David Krebsbach) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Sendmail issue Message-ID: I appreciate the response, but if I add the loopback address(127.0.0.1) in my sendmail.cf file I cannot receive mail sent to the machine from the outside since my MX or mail DNS entry is mapped to an IP other than the local loopback. -----Original Message----- From: mel [mailto:kd5de at nwla.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:16 AM To: David Krebsbach Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Sendmail issue Well David by default Red Hat 7.2 does not port mail through the LAN. I had to do two thing first of all in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc I had to dnl this line DAEMON_OPTIONS (`Port_SMTP, ADDR=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA`) and rebuild the sendmail.cf and Then in the /etc/mail/access I had to add 127.0.0.1 RELAY and also the DOMAIN and the IP range thereof for Relay. Sorry I haven't been paying attention to the list much very bust day. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jhemrick at leo.gov Mon Dec 31 19:27:37 2001 From: jhemrick at leo.gov (James Hemrick) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner not sending out messages Message-ID: <3C30AE19.FA210A9F@leo.gov> Hello, Have a weird problem with Mailman. For older lists, when messages are approved they are mailed out. For newer lists, the messages are approved then they vanish. The messages are not posted to the list. Today I figured out that if I run qrunner by hand, the messages will be posted. If the cron runs Qrunner then the messages are lost. Anyone know why this would happen? I get no error messages Redhat 6.1 Python 1.5.3 Mailman 2.0.1 cron /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner. Jim From gdunn at inscriber.com Mon Dec 31 19:40:41 2001 From: gdunn at inscriber.com (Graham Dunn) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:40:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: References: <22461.1009769070@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20011231184040.GA31910@inscriber.com> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:48:21PM -0800, Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > To: mailman-users at python.org > From: Michelle Brownsworth > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail > Cc: J C Lawrence > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:48:21 -0800 > [snip] > > Okay, okay... I know when to throw in the towel. :^) I'll > investigate Postfix, with the hope that it's better than Qmail. > After running it on a server for a couple of years, I don't care for > Qmail at all. In your .mc file, define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `deferred') This will stop sendmail from doing DNS queries upon accepting the mail. It's intended for situations where you want to prevent DNS lookups (dialup, mainly). I hope that does what you want. Graham From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 31 20:40:10 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:40:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: <20011231184040.GA31910@inscriber.com> Message-ID: This works, and works well, but If I'm correct also creates an open-relay, for security reasons this is usually unacceptable. This was the primary reason I switched to postfix, same functionality minus the security gap. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Graham Dunn Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:41 PM To: Michelle Brownsworth Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:48:21PM -0800, Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > To: mailman-users at python.org > From: Michelle Brownsworth > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail > Cc: J C Lawrence > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:48:21 -0800 > [snip] > > Okay, okay... I know when to throw in the towel. :^) I'll > investigate Postfix, with the hope that it's better than Qmail. > After running it on a server for a couple of years, I don't care for > Qmail at all. In your .mc file, define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `deferred') This will stop sendmail from doing DNS queries upon accepting the mail. It's intended for situations where you want to prevent DNS lookups (dialup, mainly). I hope that does what you want. Graham ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From michelle at primelogic.com Mon Dec 31 21:22:16 2001 From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:22:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >This works, and works well, but If I'm correct also creates an open-relay, >for security reasons this is usually unacceptable. This was the primary >reason I switched to postfix, same functionality minus the security gap. > > -Richard Idalski I appreciate Graham's suggestion, but after having a good look-see at Postfix last night, I'm leaning toward giving it a shot. It certainly comes well-recommended. However, it might be wise to investigate Exim as well. Any thoughts as to relative strengths and weaknesses, features, ease of configuration, security, etc. between the two? .\\ichelle >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Graham Dunn >Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:41 PM >To: Michelle Brownsworth >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail > > >On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:48:21PM -0800, Michelle Brownsworth wrote: >> To: mailman-users at python.org >> From: Michelle Brownsworth >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail >> Cc: J C Lawrence >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:48:21 -0800 >> >[snip] >> >> Okay, okay... I know when to throw in the towel. :^) I'll >> investigate Postfix, with the hope that it's better than Qmail. >> After running it on a server for a couple of years, I don't care for >> Qmail at all. > >In your .mc file, > >define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `deferred') > >This will stop sendmail from doing DNS queries upon accepting the mail. >It's intended for situations where you want to prevent DNS lookups (dialup, >mainly). > >I hope that does what you want. > >Graham > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 31 21:30:09 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:30:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As far as ease of configuration goes, postfix was a snap. It's basically a drop in replacement for sendmail, simpley backup you sendmail binaries, ie; /usr/bin/mailq /usr/bin/newaliases, and /usr/sbin/sendmail. If you have any problems with postfix reverting back to sendmail is as easy as repacing the new binaries with the old. That came in handy as I was working out bugs on a live system. This was on a FreeBSD 4.3 system running mailman 2.08. I've never run Exim so I know not of the ease of it's transition. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Brownsworth [mailto:michelle at primelogic.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:22 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Cc: Richard Idalski; Graham Dunn Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail >This works, and works well, but If I'm correct also creates an open-relay, >for security reasons this is usually unacceptable. This was the primary >reason I switched to postfix, same functionality minus the security gap. > > -Richard Idalski I appreciate Graham's suggestion, but after having a good look-see at Postfix last night, I'm leaning toward giving it a shot. It certainly comes well-recommended. However, it might be wise to investigate Exim as well. Any thoughts as to relative strengths and weaknesses, features, ease of configuration, security, etc. between the two? .\\ichelle >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Graham Dunn >Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:41 PM >To: Michelle Brownsworth >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail > > >On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:48:21PM -0800, Michelle Brownsworth wrote: >> To: mailman-users at python.org >> From: Michelle Brownsworth >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail >> Cc: J C Lawrence >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:48:21 -0800 >> >[snip] >> >> Okay, okay... I know when to throw in the towel. :^) I'll >> investigate Postfix, with the hope that it's better than Qmail. >> After running it on a server for a couple of years, I don't care for >> Qmail at all. > >In your .mc file, > >define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `deferred') > >This will stop sendmail from doing DNS queries upon accepting the mail. >It's intended for situations where you want to prevent DNS lookups (dialup, >mainly). > >I hope that does what you want. > >Graham > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Dec 31 21:33:39 2001 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:33:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.bsdtoday.com/2000/September/Features274.html Is a good how-to for installing postfix on BSD. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Brownsworth Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:22 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Cc: Richard Idalski; Graham Dunn Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail >This works, and works well, but If I'm correct also creates an open-relay, >for security reasons this is usually unacceptable. This was the primary >reason I switched to postfix, same functionality minus the security gap. > > -Richard Idalski I appreciate Graham's suggestion, but after having a good look-see at Postfix last night, I'm leaning toward giving it a shot. It certainly comes well-recommended. However, it might be wise to investigate Exim as well. Any thoughts as to relative strengths and weaknesses, features, ease of configuration, security, etc. between the two? .\\ichelle >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Graham Dunn >Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:41 PM >To: Michelle Brownsworth >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail > > >On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:48:21PM -0800, Michelle Brownsworth wrote: >> To: mailman-users at python.org >> From: Michelle Brownsworth >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail >> Cc: J C Lawrence >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:48:21 -0800 >> >[snip] >> >> Okay, okay... I know when to throw in the towel. :^) I'll >> investigate Postfix, with the hope that it's better than Qmail. >> After running it on a server for a couple of years, I don't care for >> Qmail at all. > >In your .mc file, > >define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `deferred') > >This will stop sendmail from doing DNS queries upon accepting the mail. >It's intended for situations where you want to prevent DNS lookups (dialup, >mainly). > >I hope that does what you want. > >Graham > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From moseleymm at hank.org Mon Dec 31 22:24:04 2001 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:24:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix (was Problems with undeliverable mail) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011231132404.02557548@pop3.hank.org> At 03:30 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Richard Idalski wrote: >As far as ease of configuration goes, postfix was a snap. It's basically a >drop in replacement for sendmail, simpley backup you sendmail binaries, ie; >/usr/bin/mailq /usr/bin/newaliases, and /usr/sbin/sendmail. If you have any >problems with postfix reverting back to sendmail is as easy as repacing the >new binaries with the old. That came in handy as I was working out bugs on a >live system. Does anyone know if it's possible to run Postfix on a high port while sendmail is still running? e.g. not install Postfix's sendmail binary over real sendmail? -- Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 31 23:43:48 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:43:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: Message from Graham Dunn of "Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:40:41 EST." <20011231184040.GA31910@inscriber.com> References: <22461.1009769070@kanga.nu> <20011231184040.GA31910@inscriber.com> Message-ID: <29994.1009838628@kanga.nu> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:40:41 -0500 Graham Dunn wrote: > On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:48:21PM -0800, Michelle Brownsworth > wrote: > In your .mc file, > define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `deferred') > This will stop sendmail from doing DNS queries upon accepting the > mail. It's intended for situations where you want to prevent DNS > lookups (dialup, mainly). > I hope that does what you want. It has the side effect of disabling many of Sendmail's anti-spam traps. You may also want to re-examine the Mail-followup-To: header you are inserting: Mail-followup-to: Graham Dunn , Michelle Brownsworth , mailman-users at python.org Note the first address. <> -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From Davin.Overland at shaw.ca Mon Dec 31 18:47:28 2001 From: Davin.Overland at shaw.ca (Davin Overland) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:47:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi Message-ID: <000a01c19223$37364a20$f5ab4318@ok.shawcable.net> We've been running version 207 for linux for a while, and with the recent update to 208 mailman has been eating a ton of cpu resources (i.e. 90% of cpu time). What can we do to reduce that to a sane level? Davin Overland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011231/69fc4af5/attachment.html From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 31 23:51:51 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:51:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with undeliverable mail In-Reply-To: Message from Michelle Brownsworth of "Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:22:16 PST." References: Message-ID: <30040.1009839111@kanga.nu> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:22:16 -0800 Michelle Brownsworth wrote: > I appreciate Graham's suggestion, but after having a good look-see > at Postfix last night, I'm leaning toward giving it a shot. Its an admirable MTA. > However, it might be wise to investigate Exim as well. Any > thoughts as to relative strengths and weaknesses, features, ease > of configuration, security, etc. between the two? Please see my notes in the Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.002.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Mon Dec 31 23:57:47 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:57:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix (was Problems with undeliverable mail) In-Reply-To: Message from Bill Moseley of "Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:24:04 PST." <3.0.3.32.20011231132404.02557548@pop3.hank.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20011231132404.02557548@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: <30091.1009839467@kanga.nu> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:24:04 -0800 Bill Moseley wrote: > At 03:30 PM 12/31/01 -0500, Richard Idalski wrote: > Does anyone know if it's possible to run Postfix on a high port > while sendmail is still running? e.g. not install Postfix's > sendmail binary over real sendmail? Sure, its possible. You'll just need to exercise especial care with the configure line and config files. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.