From bcrockett at home.com Mon Jan 1 03:23:10 2001 From: bcrockett at home.com (Brad Crockett) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:23:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Run a list from a POP3 account Message-ID: I'm looking for mailing list software that will let me administer a mailing list using only a single pop3 account. I don't have my own domain - I only have a DHCP connection with Shaw @Home. Is there such a beast out there? Brad Crockett b crockett at home dot com -- From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG Mon Jan 1 03:43:32 2001 From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: <3A4FA52C.DD446AF4@west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Dan Mick wrote: > This means the message has an implicit destination. Does this term have a standardized or well-understood meaning outside of Mailman? If not, "list posting address does not appear in To: or CC: headers" would be a far more useful message. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk at QueerNet.ORG PO Box 14309 San Francisco, CA 94114 "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From jeffrey at thompsonic.com Mon Jan 1 04:00:47 2001 From: jeffrey at thompsonic.com (Jeffrey Thompson) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Admin Interface ... Pretty Please!! Message-ID: <3A4FF2DE.CF4206C1@thompsonic.com> I would like to see these MailMan TODO items added. Do we have an ETA on when these might be done? If we had an admin email interface (a nice feature of Majordomo) that would make it a lot easier to administrate the list (IE, approve a subscriptions on a closed list). > - Provide an email interface to all administrative commands > - Add -join and -remove addresses for easy subscription, > unsubscription > - For email subscribes, keep an audit of where requests are coming > from, and send the original request headers in the confirmation > message. Helps track down subscribe bombs. Thanks for a nice, functional mailing list system and I hope it continues to get better! Jeffrey Thompson From jeffrey at thompsonic.com Mon Jan 1 04:07:01 2001 From: jeffrey at thompsonic.com (Jeffrey Thompson) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why Have Admin Login On Subscriber List Info Page? Message-ID: <3A4FF455.18918834@thompsonic.com> On the listinfo HTML page, http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/a-list says: A-List Subscribers The subscribers list is only available to the list administrator. Enter your admin address and password to visit the subscribers list: Admin address: Password: My question: Why even offer access to it on the info page? The note in the first line is enough. The admin enters through the admin page, and then has this option there. -- Jeffrey Thompson Use Linux, because rebooting is for adding new hardware. From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Mon Jan 1 04:13:51 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:13:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why Have Admin Login On Subscriber List Info Page? References: <3A4FF455.18918834@thompsonic.com> Message-ID: <3A4FF5EF.AC6647BD@west.sun.com> Jeffrey Thompson wrote: > > On the listinfo HTML page, http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/a-list > says: > > A-List Subscribers > The subscribers list is only available to the list > administrator. > Enter your admin address and password to visit the subscribers > list: > > Admin address: Password: > > My question: > Why even offer access to it on the info page? Because you can set the list options so that it's available to normal subscribers. See Privacy Options/Membership exposure. From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 1 04:28:47 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:28:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: Message from "Roger B.A. Klorese" of "Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:43:32 PST." References: Message-ID: <27629.978319727@kanga.nu> On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:43:32 -0800 (PST) Roger B A Klorese wrote: > On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Dan Mick wrote: >> This means the message has an implicit destination. > Does this term have a standardized or well-understood meaning > outside of Mailman? If not, "list posting address does not appear > in To: or CC: headers" would be a far more useful message. "Implicit" is a standard english word that is in general use and is defined in typical dictionaries. It also happens to be used correctly by Mailman. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From bcrockett at home.com Mon Jan 1 04:31:33 2001 From: bcrockett at home.com (Brad Crockett) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:31:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Run a list from a POP3 account Message-ID: >mailing list using only a single pop3 account. I don't have my own domain No takers? OK, here's a thought. If I set up procmail and aliases properly, I might be able to get everything done by scanning the subject (or body?) of the message, and have all list-bound email come in on the same email address. It seems to me, though, that it would be an up-hill battle to have the subscribers receive the correct instructions for submitting list requests. All of the docs out there for mailman say to use different addresses for each request, and the system is set up to auto-respond with those same instructions. Brad Crockett b crockett at home dot com -- From reb at taco.com Mon Jan 1 04:48:43 2001 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:48:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why Have Admin Login On Subscriber List Info Page? In-Reply-To: <3A4FF455.18918834@thompsonic.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001231224523.036adfd8@taco.com> At 10:07 PM 12/31/2000 -0500, you wrote: >On the listinfo HTML page, http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/a-list >says: > > A-List Subscribers > The subscribers list is only available to the list > administrator. > Enter your admin address and password to visit the subscribers > list: > > Admin address: Password: > >My question: >Why even offer access to it on the info page? The note in the first line >is >enough. The admin enters through the admin page, and then has this >option there. I wondered the same things and just removed this option from the pages for all my lists. It was quite easy, just comment out (or remove) the offending code from the HTML. On the HTML form for "General list information page" page I changed this: to this: reb From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Mon Jan 1 06:21:12 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:51:12 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe wrapper Message-ID: I'm writing a wrapper in perl to implement confirmed-unsubscribes (initiated via a webform, unless your subscribers can stick to the required email format). Is there anything I should know? -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Computer lie #1: you'll never use all that disk space. From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Mon Jan 1 09:08:36 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 08:08:36 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: Message from J C Lawrence of "Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:28:47 PST." <27629.978319727@kanga.nu> Message-ID: claw at kanga.nu said: > "Implicit" is a standard english word that is in general use and is > defined in typical dictionaries. It also happens to be used correctly > by Mailman. You might want to have a look at this message http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20000710/019372.h tml and maybe reconsider the use of any words of more than one syllable in error messages :-) The other thing that leads to the Implicit destination error is when the domain part is not quite what the system expects - ie a hostname is used rather than a mail domain - this is basically a list config error in many cases. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From zvrba at iskon.hr Mon Jan 1 10:50:05 2001 From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba (BoyGenius)) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:50:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why Have Admin Login On Subscriber List Info Page? In-Reply-To: <3A4FF455.18918834@thompsonic.com>; from jeffrey@thompsonic.com on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 10:07:01PM -0500 References: <3A4FF455.18918834@thompsonic.com> Message-ID: <20010101105005.A611@zax.private.hr> On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 10:07:01PM -0500, Jeffrey Thompson wrote: > > My question: > Why even offer access to it on the info page? The note in the first line > is > enough. The admin enters through the admin page, and then has this > option there. > You can edit the HTML code for public pages per list. So just remove the code that offers access and that would be it. I have similarly removed the option for unsubscription from the public pages for one of my lists. From hazndoc at earthlink.net Mon Jan 1 15:25:06 2001 From: hazndoc at earthlink.net (Michael Parks) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 09:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lostpassword Message-ID: <3A509341.6C82B034@earthlink.net> From jeffrey at thompsonic.com Mon Jan 1 15:37:28 2001 From: jeffrey at thompsonic.com (Jeffrey Thompson) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 09:37:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #955 - 18 msgs References: <20010101121902.E414BE81B@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <3A509628.5A6B71D0@thompsonic.com> > Well, after finally wrestling my OS X Server system into running the > very useful Mailman program, I've dumped it in favor of the Mac OS X > Public Beta, and the fun is starting all over. > > I'm running into an odd error, one that most likely has a very simple > fix. I get the following: > > -------------------- > > [rock:OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0] root# ./configure > loading cache ./config.cache > checking for --with-python... no > checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python > checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python > checking Python version... 2.0 > checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c > checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes > checking for true... (cached) /usr/bin/true > checking for --without-gcc... no > checking for gcc... (cached) cc > checking whether the C compiler (cc ) works... yes > checking whether the C compiler (cc ) is a cross-compiler... no > checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes > checking whether cc accepts -g... (cached) yes > checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes > checking for --with-var-prefix... no > checking for --with-username... mailman > checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py [1152] > /usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py' > cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory > > configure: error: > ***** No "mailman" user found! > ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined > ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file). Please see the INSTALL > ***** file for details. > [rock:OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0] root# > > -------------------- > > I do indeed have a "mailman" user... I'm guessing that it's a file > permission thing rather than a username problem, but God knows I'm no > expert. When I take out that section from the configure file, it > skips down to the next section, has apparent trouble opening > conftest.py, and tells me that I don't, for example, have a group > named "mailman,' which I do. Oddly, when I try to install > with-username=root, it actually works. Any other user name fails. > > Many thanks for your help. > Sounds like an ownership problem. You have some things in mailman owned by root. Try this as root from the mailman root directory: cd /something/mailman chown -R mailman.mailman . then try running you make again and see if that helps Jeffrey Thompson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010101/8603cb23/attachment.html From lmarzke at adelphia.net Mon Jan 1 16:11:48 2001 From: lmarzke at adelphia.net (Lee Marzke) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 10:11:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Run a list from a POP3 account In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010101100853.00a1da20@kronos> Brad, Get an account at www.dynip.com for your server then you can set up all the incoming email accounts that you need. At 07:31 PM 12/31/00 -0800, you wrote: > >mailing list using only a single pop3 account. I don't have my own domain > >No takers? OK, here's a thought. If I set up procmail and aliases >properly, I might be able to get everything done by scanning the subject >(or body?) of the message, and have all list-bound email come in on the >same email address. > >It seems to me, though, that it would be an up-hill battle to have the >subscribers receive the correct instructions for submitting list requests. >All of the docs out there for mailman say to use different addresses for >each request, and the system is set up to auto-respond with those same >instructions. > > >Brad Crockett >b crockett at home dot com >-- > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ABeth85 at aol.com Mon Jan 1 16:58:59 2001 From: ABeth85 at aol.com (ABeth85 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:58:59 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <2d.57fe196.27820343@aol.com> i don't remember signing up and i would like to discontinue my membership -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010101/b73ab79c/attachment.htm From jeffrey at thompsonic.com Mon Jan 1 17:24:08 2001 From: jeffrey at thompsonic.com (Jeffrey Thompson) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:24:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Feature Request: View Archive By Admin Only Message-ID: <3A50AF28.1AD87E0D@thompsonic.com> I have a little problem: I would like to run an anonymous mailing list with an archive (Developers: good job on making the mailing list anonymous). The archive looks great. It's anonymous. But on the archive page, you have a link: download the full raw archive the problem: It contains all the header (un-anonymous) information of all the people that posted to the list. That defeats the anonymous feature. I have removed the link from the page, and I'll probably adjust the web server to turn off viewing of that particular file and write my own password protected page (I might peek at how MailMan authenticates the Admins and offer a patch :-), but it would be nice to have an additional option in the Archive Section: View Archive By Admin Only It would be nice to still have the link on the Archive page, but only allow admins to access it. Thanks! -- Jeffrey Thompson From johnny at cathat.net Mon Jan 1 17:42:51 2001 From: johnny at cathat.net (Johnny Fuerst) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:42:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Happy New Year! Message-ID: <20010101104251.A13782@cathat.net> I know, everyone, this is an off topic post, but I just wanted to write in, saying that this year is probably sure to bring in many new things, and I think with each others help, we will all have a better mailman for it come the following new year. Happy New Year!!! Great Work, Everyone! Sincerely, Johnny -- On Behalf Of: Johnny Fuerst, Governor ................ governor at cathat.net Opinions stated in this message are mine and mine alone, and do not necessarily represent those of my ISP/employer! .period. ------------------------------------------------------------ 'I Desire Compassion, and not a Sacrifice.' 'La Vida E Bella' ____________________________ Random Quote: You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. johnny at cathat.net From davek at mail.commercedata.com Mon Jan 1 19:18:46 2001 From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:18:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] vixie cron Message-ID: <200101011818.LAA05088@mail.commercedata.com> Hi folks. I've noticed references in the docs to bug problems in the Redhat version of crond. I'm having strange problems with crond on my Redhat server (vixie cron), and I'm wondering whether anyone else has some insight to offer. Basically this entry works: * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner But this one doesn't: * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /storage/virtual/mydomain.net/home/mailman.cgi/cron/qrunner I'd been banging my head against this one for a while before I realized the cron entry wasn't running. The entries themselves are correct, but qrunner won't qrun. TIA for any ideas! Dave Klingler From dsafar at aport2000.ru Mon Jan 1 22:40:09 2001 From: dsafar at aport2000.ru (Dana) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 00:40:09 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dana Message-ID: <000701c0743b$72aff300$fd1552c3@rcomputer> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010102/0f899c46/attachment.html From blitztec at bigpond.net.au Mon Jan 1 19:54:19 2001 From: blitztec at bigpond.net.au (blitztec at bigpond.net.au) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 04:54:19 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & MySQL Message-ID: <20010102045419.A2848@bigpond.net.au> Has anyone on this list ever tried to get Mailman to interface with a SQL database for storage of member addresses and such. Was just wundering from the perspective that it would be easyer to intergrate a mailing list in to a site if you could simply dump new members in to a MySQL table, or atleast have some way of searching all mailing lists in a particular domain to find out what mailing lists user X at Y.com is registered too. Appoligies if this email is on the wrong discussion list. >From Mitchell Smith From dave at imailbox.com Mon Jan 1 20:05:42 2001 From: dave at imailbox.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:05:42 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about 'Preserve Option' Message-ID: <00c201c07425$d8a86360$d119893e@baselineW98> Hello I am running Mailman 2.0 and having a problem with the 'Preserve Message Option'. According to the documentation, it should save the message into an 'admin' page, regardless of the secondary action that takes place (delete, forward etc). The 'Database Updated' message is shown when this option is used. I can't however, work out how to access / view the 'Preserved Messages' page. Can anybody please advise of the url / command / procedure? Many thanks DAve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email server is running an evaluation copy of the MailShield anti- spam software. Please contact your email administrator if you have any questions about this message. MailShield product info: www.mailshield.com From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 1 20:38:32 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:38:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & MySQL In-Reply-To: Message from blitztec@bigpond.net.au of "Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:54:19 +1000." <20010102045419.A2848@bigpond.net.au> References: <20010102045419.A2848@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <21266.978377912@kanga.nu> On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 04:54:19 +1000 blitztec wrote: > Has anyone on this list ever tried to get Mailman to interface > with a SQL database for storage of member addresses and such. Although the discussion has faltered recently there has been discussion of supporting features like this (and LDAP et al) for v3 on the mailman-developers list (which bodes to have a very different basic architecture). -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Jan 1 20:45:09 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:45:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & MySQL In-Reply-To: <21266.978377912@kanga.nu> References: <20010102045419.A2848@bigpond.net.au> <21266.978377912@kanga.nu> Message-ID: At 11:38 AM -0800 1/1/01, J C Lawrence wrote: >Although the discussion has faltered recently I don't think taking a break for the holidays qualifies as faltering. Some of us have been off with family and taking a bit of a holiday from pretty much everything... (and using the time to try to finish up other projects that have been hanging around, in my case) -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) We're visiting the relatives. Cover us. From MJGram at aol.com Mon Jan 1 21:54:14 2001 From: MJGram at aol.com (MJGram at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:54:14 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why am I on your List? Message-ID: More importantly, I'd like to get off of your list. I don't remember subscribing. From jeffrey at thompsonic.com Mon Jan 1 23:44:06 2001 From: jeffrey at thompsonic.com (Jeffrey Thompson) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 17:44:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Feature Request: A Half-Moderator Message-ID: <3A510836.8418A284@thompsonic.com> On my mailing list I have a real trouble maker (currently removed). So, I was just thinking, whether I could ask one list member, whether he would be willing to moderate this man's postings. If we could flag individual members for approving other's messages, a half-moderator in a sense, then that would further reduce the work of the "full moderators" So, the question is: Could a person become a half-moderator, who can approve messages of a person flagged for message moderating, but who would not be a full moderator who can see all the members email addresses, archives, etc.? I don't have the time to do the moderating of all the messages. But at the same time, I don't want to open up the management of my entire list. There are lots of people with psychological problems for whom such a feature on a mailing list would be good, to have their "personal mentor" moderate their postings. What do you think? The alternative would be, let him send his messages to this person first, and after checking them, the other member sends them to the list. But do we have an option of "only receiving messages" but "not submitting messages to the list"? I can't remember to have seen that. That in itself might also be a good feature to add in general. Have separate address lists of "readers" and "writers" for the list. Usually writers would be readers too. I have seen that you can specify people who can send without being members, i.e. not receiving. But I would need it the other way around. Or did I just overlook that? Thanks for any help you can give, Jeffrey Thompson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's quite easy to have only a particular address (or a few) moderated. Go to the "Privacy options" section of the administrative interface. Find the section titled "Addresses whose postings are always held for approval." enter the address there (in all lower case, I believe). Postings from the cretin ... er ... user will then always cause you to be asked for approval. The user *WILL* be notified of this when he tries to post. I had to do this to someone and he got a clue rather fast. reb From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Jan 2 00:08:32 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 15:08:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] vixie cron References: <200101011818.LAA05088@mail.commercedata.com> Message-ID: <3A510DF0.D574000E@west.sun.com> Could it be a pathnamelength problem? (Doesn't cron send any error mail or log any errors about what's going on?) Try making /tmp/foo that has #!/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/python -S /storage/virtual/mydomain.net/home/mailman.cgi/cron/qrunner making it executable, and putting *it* in the cron entry, just for grins. Dave Klingler wrote: > > Hi folks. I've noticed references in the docs to bug problems in the Redhat > version of crond. I'm having strange problems with crond on my Redhat server > (vixie cron), and I'm wondering whether anyone else has some insight to offer. > > Basically this entry works: > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner > > But this one doesn't: > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /storage/virtual/mydomain.net/home/mailman.cgi/cron/qrunner > > I'd been banging my head against this one for a while before I realized the > cron entry wasn't running. The entries themselves are correct, but qrunner > won't qrun. > > TIA for any ideas! > Dave Klingler > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ian at octayne.com Tue Jan 2 01:57:01 2001 From: ian at octayne.com (Ian Clarke) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:57:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in as an administrator Message-ID: <20010101165701.B1260@technic.uprizer.com> Hi, I have just installed MailMan 2.0 on my Redhat 7.0 i686 system. I have configured everything, and all seems to be working well, except that whenever I try to log in to any of the administraton pages for any of the lists I have created, it says "Authentication failed" despite the fact that I am convinced that I am using the correct password. Even the site-admin password doesn't work. The "error" log is empty, nor are there any other logs (either in the mailman log directory - or in /var/log/messages) that seem to shed light on the problem. Can anyone advise? Many thanks, Ian Clarke. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010101/d5d12735/attachment.pgp From lj at mandala-designs.com Tue Jan 2 02:07:45 2001 From: lj at mandala-designs.com (Leonard Jacobs) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:07:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] interpreting logs/error data Message-ID: <3A50E391.19188.AA09F4F@localhost> I have been using Mailman 2.0 with python 2.0 successfully to subscribe members and to send out messages. Today, while processing the monthly password mailings, I noticed errors in the log file. Is there a way to understand this data from the error file? ============================================== Jan 01 06:31:41 2001 (29076) Delivery exception: Jan 01 06:31:41 2001 (29076) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 68, in process mlist.Save() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save self.__lock.refresh() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh raise NotLockedError NotLockedError: Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): Traceback (most recent call last): Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 278, in ? Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): kids = main(lock) Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 258, in main Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): mlist.Save() Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): self.__lock.refresh() Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): raise NotLockedError Jan 01 18:05:36 2001 qrunner(2767): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError ============================================== Thanks. ------------------ Leonard Jacobs www.mandala-designs.com (508) 359-5473 From info8 at networkshosts.com Mon Jan 1 22:29:11 2001 From: info8 at networkshosts.com (info8 at networkshosts.com) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 16:29:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Learn How To Boost Windows reliability! 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OR To be removed mailto:remove at www3.networkshosts.com?Subject=REMOVE From lj at mandala-designs.com Tue Jan 2 03:29:52 2001 From: lj at mandala-designs.com (Leonard Jacobs) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:29:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automated monthly mailings Message-ID: <3A50F6D0.17364.AEBCFE7@localhost> My monthly confirmation messages went out as scheduled this morning. Unfortunately a large number of these automated emails from one of my lists, e.g., "LIST1" were sent out as though originating from the original "Test" list, so bounce messages were sent back to that list, i.e., "Test". Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks. ------------------ Leonard Jacobs www.mandala-designs.com (508) 359-5473 From bcrockett at home.com Tue Jan 2 07:07:40 2001 From: bcrockett at home.com (Brad Crockett) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:07:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request Notices Message-ID: I have `What steps are required for subscription' set to require approval, and `Should administrator get immediate notice of new requests...' set to yes. When sending a test subscription request (from an alternate email account), I do not get any email to the administrator inbox. The request shows up on the administrative requests web page, though. Is there another flag I have to set somewhere so that I get an email right away when someone asks for a subscription? -- Brad Crockett Duncan BC Canada b crockett at home dot com From claw at kanga.nu Tue Jan 2 07:18:26 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:18:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] New Feature Request: A Half-Moderator In-Reply-To: Message from Jeffrey Thompson of "Mon, 01 Jan 2001 17:44:06 EST." <3A510836.8418A284@thompsonic.com> References: <3A510836.8418A284@thompsonic.com> Message-ID: <28419.978416306@kanga.nu> On Mon, 01 Jan 2001 17:44:06 -0500 Jeffrey Thompson wrote: > On my mailing list I have a real trouble maker (currently > removed). So, I was just thinking, whether I could ask one list > member, whether he would be willing to moderate this man's > postings. Ooooo! Iinteresting, private moderation queues -- I hadn't considered that. Doing that with the current Mailman design would be difficult or even downright painful. Given the modular architecture we've discussed so far for v3 this could be done by dropping in moderation modules that filtered which contents of the moderation queue were presented on some moderation login basis. You'd have to replace the moderation message listing modules obviously, and replace the account management modules so as to support the extra data/fields... Cute. > What do you think? The alternative would be, let him send his > messages to this person first, and after checking them, the other > member sends them to the list. But do we have an option of "only > receiving messages" but "not submitting messages to the list"? I > can't remember to have seen that. Taht doesn't exist currently, no, but you could fake it with a procmail filter sitting before the list which diverted posts that match some pattern. > That in itself might also be a good feature to add in general. > Have separate address lists of "readers" and "writers" for the > list. Usually writers would be readers too. I have seen that you > can specify people who can send without being members, i.e. not > receiving. But I would need it the other way around. Or did I just > overlook that? If we run with the abstracted UserAccount model which possesses one ore more EmailAddresses etc model we've discussed for v3 this works quite easily as it is email addresses which subscribe to lists, and accounts which post. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From liu.dongsheng at etang.net Tue Jan 2 11:39:16 2001 From: liu.dongsheng at etang.net (Tonny Liu) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:39:16 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to configure aliases in two server? References: <19341122131712.28786@mail.music.vt.edu> <009101c07168$d564e2b0$5405a8c0@tonny> <3A4CE2F5.39B8494D@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <001301c074a8$431e2270$5405a8c0@tonny> Thank you, Dan Mick. I encountered another problem: It looks to me that /home/mailman/mail/wrapper didn't run well in my server. I excute the following command: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner first" I found a message in mail log file: "Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 508. (Reconfigure to take 508?)." In my server, gid of group "mail" is 12. and the usr executed the above command is a member of the group whose id is 508. BTW, the mode of wrapper is "-rwxr-sr-x". could you or any one else tell me why? thanks very much... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Mick" To: "Tonny Liu" ; Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to configure aliases in two server? > > > Tonny Liu wrote: > > > > Dear Everyone: > > I installed mailman in one computer, and using the MTA(qmail) which runs on another computer, after I created a new list,how to add the list of aliases generated? for example: I add one line into the /etc/aliases of MTA server > > spt: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post spt" > > but how can MTA find "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper "? > > Well, pretty obviously, the MTA has to be able to forward to the host actually running > Mailman. How about making the aliases say "spt: spt at mailman-host", > and then have mailman-host run an incoming MTA only? From wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 2 13:24:02 2001 From: wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu (Gary Wilson) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 07:24:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Message-ID: <02d401c074b6$e48400e0$0200a8c0@nyc.rr.com> I am preparing to upgrade from 2.0beta5 to the 2.0 release version. In the Upgrading text file included with the distribution it says: Mailman will NOT upgrade the template files for existing lists. Chuq Von Rospach gives some useful advice in this message to the users mailing list: http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/007523.html That link is not good (I think the archives have been moved to a different server?). Anyway could someone post the correct link or pass along the information on what needs to be done to correctly upgrade from the beta version. Thanks, Gary From yelias at yahoo.com Tue Jan 2 17:01:39 2001 From: yelias at yahoo.com (Elias Yosef) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:01:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] please remove my e-mail Message-ID: <20010102160139.21624.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sir Some one is abusing your mailing list by subscribing a whole bunch of people to his mailing list "pol.ethiopia at lists.sn.apc.org" with out asking for permission. And he continued to ignore requests to remove people from his list. This is illegal and it is considered violation of people?s privacy. I am asking to see if you can look in to this matter and take a disciplinary action to this individual by tracing his account. Thanks in advance Elias ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Jan 2 17:07:27 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:07:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading In-Reply-To: <02d401c074b6$e48400e0$0200a8c0@nyc.rr.com> References: <02d401c074b6$e48400e0$0200a8c0@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: At 7:24 AM -0500 1/2/01, Gary Wilson wrote: >Anyway could someone post the correct link or pass along the information on >what needs to be done to correctly upgrade from the beta version. the trick is to upgrade all of the templates. The easy way to do this is (using tcsh): cd ~mailman/lists foreach i (*) cp ../templates/* $i end Taht'll copy in fresh copies of the templates to each list area and update them. Do this after you do a make install. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) We're visiting the relatives. Cover us. From Ww4477 at aol.com Tue Jan 2 18:47:51 2001 From: Ww4477 at aol.com (Ww4477 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:47:51 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] can I set the NO SUBJECT line not to come up Message-ID: <61.a1da986.27836e47@aol.com> Hi I am a new mailing list manager using Mailman on my website, most of my subscribers are getting the messages on text pagers or cell phone, is there a way when I send a message without a Subject that the line saying NO SUBJECT should not come up, also some times I am sending the message to the list thru a 2-way pager T900 it has no option of a SUBJECT line, it just takes up valuable character space on the pagers. also I selected the option at privacy options to hide the sender of the message and replace with the list name then it comes up the List-Admin at Domain.com, can I set to come up just the list name? The list is for an organization of 100 volunteers how get short messages on the pagers and phone's when a request is sent out they call me that they are available, any help is appreciated. Thank You From bob at nleaudio.com Tue Jan 2 19:22:50 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:22:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automated monthly mailings References: <3A50F6D0.17364.AEBCFE7@localhost> Message-ID: <3A521C7A.5AB41B80@nleaudio.com> Yes, I noticed a bounce message to my main hostname, not to the listowner. (I have several virtual domains, and mailman lists on them). Looks like the monthly mailer is a waste of resources. Bob From jerenkrantz at ebuilt.com Tue Jan 2 19:44:39 2001 From: jerenkrantz at ebuilt.com (Justin Erenkrantz) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:44:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large files and qrunner hanging with Mailman-2.0... Message-ID: <20010102104438.C21272@ebuilt.com> Hello all, We have seen a problem with the Mailman-2.0 series (with Python-2.0 on Solaris-x86) with large .msg files (typically over 5MB) with attachments which cause qrunner to go into an infinite loop (I've seen it run over a weekend to no avail). Qrunner holds the lock and hence causes everything else to stop until I kill off qrunner, clear out the locks, and remove the offending message (the db and msg file). I believe that I have been able to track the problem down to the HandlerAPI.DeliverToList call (through a variety of debugging calls and syslog calls). I don't have enough time right now to track it down further. Attaching to the qrunner process via truss after it goes into this bad state shows that there is a constant stream of brk() system calls. (Guessing that it is doing some sort of heap allocation?) Has anyone seen this? Are there any known fixes? Any tips to try and isolate this problem further? Or, do I need to write a script to watch qrunner and kill it off? (I saw Barry's post on mailman-developer regarding the rework of qrunner.) It's getting to be a real pain-in-the-butt. =-) We can't limit the size of the messages (we tried, but we got overruled by management on that one). We've seen this problem with Mailman-2.0b3, and I upgraded to 2.0 final on Friday - to no avail... Thanks in advance, Justin Erenkrantz jerenkrantz at ebuilt.com From barry at digicool.com Tue Jan 2 22:56:39 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:56:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage? References: <000b01c06d65$d216adc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers> <200012240609.XAA29857@mail.commercedata.com> Message-ID: <14930.20119.122563.810228@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "DK" == Dave Klingler writes: DK> Essentially the problem here is just to pass a piece of DK> information from a program with no privileges running as DK> nobody to a program with the ability to update the aliases DK> file and run newlist. As more MTAs gain the ability to "magically" recognize new mailing lists, the hurdles to a ttw (through the web) newlist decrease. There are recipes for Exim and Postfix -- scan the archives, and btw, Wieste sent me an email with some better ideas than I'd posted before, but haven't tried yet. Writing a CGI shouldn't be too hard, except that Mailman's current CGI generating scripts are in serious need of rewriting. For other, non-automagic MTAs, I envision a simple pluggable framework for sticking in your own post-list-creation scripts. That way you could add some setuid thingy that e.g. runs newaliases and HUPs your MTA. One issue is: who gets to create and delete new lists? Probably only those with the site password. -Barry From barry at digicool.com Tue Jan 2 23:08:27 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:08:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading and templates References: Message-ID: <14930.20827.822288.852987@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "JC" == Jesse Chan-Norris writes: JC> http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/007523.html JC> This url appears to be 404 (there was just a rebuild of the JC> archives or something similar, correct?) Use this one instead: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/006826.html (I'll update the docos for the 2.0.1 release). -Barry From barry at digicool.com Tue Jan 2 23:39:51 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:39:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading results in duplicate Python files ? References: <19341122131712.28786@mail.music.vt.edu> Message-ID: <14930.22711.922073.335049@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "MD" == Michael Dunston writes: MD> I recently upgraded both Python (1.52 -> 2.0) and Mailman MD> (2.0b5 -> 2.0) and now appear to have duplicate python files MD> in the 'Mailman' directory. (Mac OSXS 1.2) MD> ex: aliases.py | aliases.pyc | Bouncer.py | Bouncer.pyc | etc. MD> Does anyone know what the '.pyc' files are and if it is safe MD> to simply remove them? THanks for any suggestions. Sorry if someone else has already answered this (my email is still in a pitiful state). Short answer: leave them alone, they're normal for Python. `.pyc' files contain the Python bytecodes compiled from a corresponding `.py' Python source file. When Python imports a module, and it finds the module in a .py file that is newer than the corresponding .pyc file (or if the .pyc file doesn't exist yet), it byte-compiles the code, and caches the bytecodes in the .pyc file. That way, subsequent imports of that module are much faster -- they don't have to run through the compiler. All this happens automatically so you don't have to worry about it. Removing them won't help you because Python will just regenerate them. Little known fact 1: .pyc files are actually Python marshals of code objects, plus 8 bytes of leading magic (version numbers, magic numbers, etc.). Little known fact 2: There are also .pyo files which are optimized bytecode caches, generated when Python is run with the -O option. ain't-guido-clever?-ly y'rs, -Barry From barry at digicool.com Tue Jan 2 23:50:08 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:50:08 -0500 Subject: Admin chunksize (was: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo?) References: <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers> <5.0.2.1.0.20001229091338.03999b78@taco.com> Message-ID: <14930.23328.652053.941880@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "P" == Phydeaux writes: P> I've not had this problem, but I tried to change the chunk size P> via the mm_cfg.py file. I set this: P> DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100 P> with no effect. I still get chunks of 30. I could change it in P> Defaults.py but I'd rather not have my changes wiped out P> if/when I upgrade. Besides, all the other things I changed P> worked fine. Does anyone have a clue? In Mailman 2.0 the chunk size is stored as a list attribute (mlist.admin_member_chunksize). I think this was done to allow list admins to customize the membership page, but there's no web interface for changing this value. While this is bogus, it won't change right away, so the best way to change the chunksize is use bin/withlist or bin/config_list from the command line. -Barry From barry at digicool.com Tue Jan 2 23:52:03 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:52:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Mailing Lists References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001229100556.045cc070@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: <14930.23443.904525.382555@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "CV" == Christopher VanOosterhout writes: CV> 1) ABOUT MMSITEPASS COMMAND What if my some odd chance a user CV> selects the password set using the mmsitepass command? Will CV> they be allowed to use that password? If so, they could in CV> fact access anything ... right? Right. CV> Now with that in mind, what if I want to use the mmsitepass CV> for various maintenance operations during a period of time and CV> then remove it to tighten security. Can the password be CV> revoked/removed and then re-invoked from time to time? Yes, just remove or rename the data/adm.pw file when you want to revoke the site password. -Barry From matt at thoene.net Tue Jan 2 22:46:30 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:46:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron question In-Reply-To: <14930.22711.922073.335049@anthem.wooz.org> from "Barry A. Warsaw" at Jan 02, 2001 05:39:51 PM Message-ID: <200101022146.NAA15284@thoene.net> Cron question...why would I need for cron to retry failed deliveries once per minute? Do any of you keep this setting as is? It's filling up my cron log big time. Thanks for the input. -Matt From barry at digicool.com Tue Jan 2 23:56:41 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:56:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_list References: <20001228170943.E9902@gandalf.merlins.org> Message-ID: <14930.23721.267882.573193@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN writes: On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:11:25PM -0500, Kenneth Jacker wrote: > I'd like to use "config_list" to transfer list ALPHA's configuration > to a new list BETA. Is this the recommended procedure? > > > 1) bin/config_list -o config.ALPHA ALPHA > > 2) cp config.ALPHA config.BETA > > 3) Use an editor to change all occurrences of "ALPHA" in > "config.BETA" to "BETA" > > 4) bin/newlist BETA > > 5) bin/config_list -i config.BETA BETA MM> You will lose your list membership if you do that. You shouldn't, since the list attributes containing membership information aren't dumped by config_list -o. Remember one interesting thing about config_list that I think most people are not aware of: you can dump a list's configuration with config_list -o, then edit the resulting file, removing any configuration variables that you don't want to change. When you suck the edited file back into the list with config_list -i, only the listed variables will be changed. You could use this, e.g. to change the web_page_url value for all your lists. Just create a file that contains -------------------- snip snip -------------------- web_page_url = 'http://mynew.site.com/mailman/' -------------------- snip snip -------------------- and then config_list -i this into all your lists using a shell loop. Viola! All other list configuration variables will stay unchanged. -Barry From raphaelc at squaretrade.com Tue Jan 2 23:19:26 2001 From: raphaelc at squaretrade.com (Raphael Crawford-Marks) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:19:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Intermittent error message: FW: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Message-ID: Anyone seen this error message before? It's mailed to the list admin occasionally, but nothing appears to be broken. -----Original Message----- From: CronDaemon [mailto:mailman at user-error.net]On Behalf Of Cron Daemon Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:34 AM To: mailman at user-error.net Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 84, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 38, in ? from Mailman import Errors File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py", line 22, in ? class MMListError(Exception): pass NameError: Exception From bob at nleaudio.com Wed Jan 3 00:04:28 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:04:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0final bin/withlist patch for -r and -l available References: <200012202355.PAA25995@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3A525E7C.5A82AE8@nleaudio.com> Hi Barry, I'd really rather see entirely new versions, instead of patches. Makes it much more difficult for newbies when they have to patch stuff. I still have not seen any clear, concise doc file explaining how to implement your patches. Bob From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 3 00:11:25 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:11:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron question References: <200101022146.NAA15284@thoene.net> Message-ID: <3A52601D.BB630FFF@west.sun.com> Matt Thoene wrote: > > Cron question...why would I need for cron to retry failed deliveries once per minute? Well, to answer the question you asked explicitly: so the failed deliveries get changed into successful deliveries. For the question you didn't ask: virtually all mail is sent by qrunner from cron, so cron is a necessary part of sending mail at all, much less failed deliveries. > Do any of you keep this setting as is? It's filling up my cron log big time. Ah, so *maybe* you're asking "why does it need to be so frequent"? See above: any list mail will wait until qrunner sends it. Doesn't need to be "each minute" if you don't mind delays on list posts. Note that I often run qrunner by hand, too, to flush something out immediately; perhaps that model is more appropriate for some announce-only lists or the like. As for "cron logs"...is this really a worry? I've got about a megabyte in log and olog on Solaris. A megabyte is ignorable in these days of "20GB is entry-level" disks. Anyway, if it's a problem, you can turn off cron logging, too. From marc_news at valinux.com Wed Jan 3 00:18:36 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:18:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_list In-Reply-To: <14930.23721.267882.573193@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@digicool.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:56:41PM -0500 References: <20001228170943.E9902@gandalf.merlins.org> <14930.23721.267882.573193@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20010103001835.A874@gandalf.merlins.org> On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:56:41PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN writes: > > On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:11:25PM -0500, Kenneth Jacker wrote: > > I'd like to use "config_list" to transfer list ALPHA's configuration > > to a new list BETA. Is this the recommended procedure? > > > > > > 1) bin/config_list -o config.ALPHA ALPHA > > > > 2) cp config.ALPHA config.BETA > > > > 3) Use an editor to change all occurrences of "ALPHA" in > > "config.BETA" to "BETA" > > > > 4) bin/newlist BETA > > > > 5) bin/config_list -i config.BETA BETA > > MM> You will lose your list membership if you do that. > > You shouldn't, since the list attributes containing membership > information aren't dumped by config_list -o. Note that he did a newlist BETA. If he had done cp lists/ALPHA/config.db lists/BETA/config.db, and then a move_list BETA, that would have kept the list membership, but a newlist BETA creates an empty list, and even though he's going to copy all the attributes, it's still going to be empty afterwards. All that said, it doesn't matter because he didn't want to copy the membership. > Remember one interesting thing about config_list that I think most > people are not aware of: you can dump a list's configuration with > config_list -o, then edit the resulting file, removing any > configuration variables that you don't want to change. When you suck > the edited file back into the list with config_list -i, only the > listed variables will be changed. Yeah, that's very useful, I've used it more than once. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From dmunoz at meyersgroup.com Wed Jan 3 00:34:04 2001 From: dmunoz at meyersgroup.com (Douglas Munoz) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:34:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think I found a solution, but wanted to check with the list to see if I am correct. I was poking around the excerpts and found that people were sending messages to my list "resume at foo.bar" with addresses such as "resume at foo.bar; resume at jobs.com; resume at frank.com; resume at blah.com; etc." What I did was go into list admin and under privacy options, did the following: Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting >>> 1 This was changed from the default of 10. Should this solve the problem? =Doug= "Douglas Munoz" writes: | I am running a very small, un-moderated list for the internal staff of my | company. It is basically set up to allow non-members (job seekers) to post | messages (resumes) to list members (HR). | | Every couple of days I will get notification that a message requires | administrative review. The reason given is: | | Reason: Message has implicit destination | | I can't seem to figure out what is going on. I have looked through the | message excerpt on each to find a common thread, but no luck. When I saw this it was because of an To: header like this: To: Friends Where one of the addr's was the mailinglis address. Hmm...perhaps there should be a "Don't warn on implicit addresses" switch? Lgb From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 3 01:07:16 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:07:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination References: Message-ID: <3A526D34.B5351748@west.sun.com> Douglas Munoz wrote: > > I think I found a solution, but wanted to check with the list to see if I am > correct. > I was poking around the excerpts and found that people were sending messages > to my list "resume at foo.bar" with addresses such as "resume at foo.bar; > resume at jobs.com; resume at frank.com; resume at blah.com; etc." I think there's information in here but I can't see it. What do you mean "with address such as resume at foo.bar; resume at jobs.com; etc.", exactly? Do you mean messages that had To: resume at foo.bar; resume at jobs.com or To: resume at foo.bar, resume at jobs.com or To: resume at foo.bar and others with To: resume at jobs.com or what? In the first case, I *think* that's an illegal address; AFAIK, ';' is not allowed in an email address; but if not, it's effectively the same as the second case. In the second case, that's multiple addresses on one To: line, which includes the list address you gave, so shouldn't be a problem. In the third case, the first message is to the list, so shouldn't cause a problem, but the second message is *not* to the list, and will definitely cause a problem. > What I did was go > into list admin and under privacy options, did the following: > > Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting >>> 1 > > This was changed from the default of 10. Should this solve the problem? ??? "Implicit destination" means, as has been said, "the list address is not mentioned in To: or Cc:"; the *number* of recipients doesn't affect and isn't affected by the *content* of recipients. No, this has nothing to do with the problem of seeing messages held for approval because of implicit destination addresses. > =Doug= > > "Douglas Munoz" writes: > > | I am running a very small, un-moderated list for the internal staff of my > | company. It is basically set up to allow non-members (job seekers) to post > | messages (resumes) to list members (HR). > | > | Every couple of days I will get notification that a message requires > | administrative review. The reason given is: > | > | Reason: Message has implicit destination > | > | I can't seem to figure out what is going on. I have looked through the > | message excerpt on each to find a common thread, but no luck. > > When I saw this it was because of an To: header like this: > > To: Friends > > Where one of the addr's was the mailinglis address. > > Hmm...perhaps there should be a "Don't warn on implicit addresses" > switch? > > Lgb > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From larsbj at lyx.org Wed Jan 3 01:13:02 2001 From: larsbj at lyx.org (Lars Gullik Bjønnes) Date: 03 Jan 2001 01:13:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: <3A526D34.B5351748@west.sun.com> References: <3A526D34.B5351748@west.sun.com> Message-ID: Dan Mick writes: | Douglas Munoz wrote: | > | > I think I found a solution, but wanted to check with the list to see if I am | > correct. | > I was poking around the excerpts and found that people were sending messages | > to my list "resume at foo.bar" with addresses such as "resume at foo.bar; | > resume at jobs.com; resume at frank.com; resume at blah.com; etc." | | I think there's information in here but I can't see it. What do you mean | "with address such as resume at foo.bar; resume at jobs.com; etc.", exactly? | Do you mean messages that had No... if you move to clicks up the thread you will see: (this is in the text that you qouted as well) To: Friends This is flagged as implici destinaion by mailman. Lgb From ian at octayne.com Wed Jan 3 02:02:49 2001 From: ian at octayne.com (Ian Clarke) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:02:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a new filter Message-ID: <20010102170249.A4067@technic.uprizer.com> I have created a new filter in the style of bowa-strip and am unsure of how to use it for a mailing list. Could someone let me know? For your interest, I have copied the filter below - it is designed to spamproof email addresses in emails forwarded to Usenet. Ian. -- # import gnu_public_license import sys, __main__, string input = sys.stdin.readlines() for x in range(len(input)): if (string.find(input[x],"From") != -1): input[x] = string.replace(input[x], "@", "@nospam.") # __main__.mailman_text = string.join(input,'') for x in input: print x -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A megabyte is ignorable in > these days of "20GB is entry-level" disks. syslog-ng can be a good friend for cases like this as you can filter your logs with a much finer grain (and therefore rotate them more finely as well). -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 3 03:10:01 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:10:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination Message-ID: <200101030208.SAA07170@utopia.west.sun.com> > | > I think I found a solution, but wanted to check with the list to see if I am > | > correct. > | > I was poking around the excerpts and found that people were sending messages > | > to my list "resume at foo.bar" with addresses such as "resume at foo.bar; > | > resume at jobs.com; resume at frank.com; resume at blah.com; etc." > | > | I think there's information in here but I can't see it. What do you mean > | "with address such as resume at foo.bar; resume at jobs.com; etc.", exactly? > | Do you mean messages that had > > No... if you move to clicks up the thread you will see: > (this is in the text that you qouted as well) > > To: Friends > > This is flagged as implicit destinaion by mailman. "two clicks up" means nothing on a mailing list; I delete incoming mail after I've read it. But yes, I see that your problem is also buried far below in the quoted text. Your problem statement is clear, and may well be a bug. But I didn't respond to your problem statement, I responded to dmunoz's, and his statement was not clearly the same as yours; it's not yet clear whether his *problem* is the same as yours, either. That's why I asked for clarification. Since you've now posted your problem twice, though, and in case it's really what dmunoz means: Your problem address, namely: To: Friends is a strange-looking address, so I tried to interpret it using RFC822, the "standard" for Internet mail addresses. The only thing it vaguely resembles is something I've never seen in practice, a "group" address. Given first the standard "phrase route-addr" parse, which calls "Friends" the "phrase" (ignored) and "" the "route-addr" part, we could attempt to interpret route-addr as a "group", perhaps: group = phrase ":" [#mailbox] ";" But it's missing "phrase" and ":", and I don't see anything in RFC822 identifying those as optional. "phrase" must be at least one "word", and ":" is not optional. Also, it doesn't look like "group" addresses are legal inside "route-addr"s, so it's already got problems that it's inside the <>. So I don't know what that address is, but I claim it's not an RFC822 mail address. The program that generated it would be interesting to know. I also don't know for sure, but I don't think those are the kind of addresses that dmunoz was seeing. From barry at digicool.com Wed Jan 3 04:46:47 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:46:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0final bin/withlist patch for -r and -l available References: <200012202355.PAA25995@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A525E7C.5A82AE8@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <14930.41127.182620.220642@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "B" == Bob writes: B> I'd really rather see entirely new versions, instead of B> patches. Makes it much more difficult for newbies when they B> have to patch stuff. I still have not seen any clear, concise B> doc file explaining how to implement your patches. The `patch' program is a pretty standard utility on most Un*xes, especially the free ones. The patch files are generated by the `diff' program and serve as input to patch. The 2.0.1 release will be distributed both as a gzip'd tarball and as a context diff (since the changes are small enough). They can usually be installed by cd'ing to the directory you unpacked the Mailman source into, and executing patch -p0 < patch-file -Barry From barry at digicool.com Wed Jan 3 04:50:01 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:50:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_list References: <20001228170943.E9902@gandalf.merlins.org> <14930.23721.267882.573193@anthem.wooz.org> <20010103001835.A874@gandalf.merlins.org> Message-ID: <14930.41321.184784.69367@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN writes: MM> Note that he did a newlist BETA. If he had done cp MM> lists/ALPHA/config.db lists/BETA/config.db, and then a MM> move_list BETA, that would have kept the list membership, but MM> a newlist BETA creates an empty list, and even though he's MM> going to copy all the attributes, it's still going to be empty MM> afterwards. MM> All that said, it doesn't matter because he didn't want to MM> copy the membership. You're right. Sorry, I misread the original message. -Barry From davek at mail.commercedata.com Wed Jan 3 05:18:01 2001 From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:18:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] vixie cron In-Reply-To: <3A510DF0.D574000E@west.sun.com> from "Dan Mick" at Jan 01, 2001 03:08:32 PM Message-ID: <200101030418.VAA21577@mail.commercedata.com> Hmmm. I'd tried running a script similar to the one you've got below, but not out of tmp just to shorten the pathname. I tried running it out of tmp, but no dice. It might be something stupid but it leaves no logs (that I've found yet, anyway) and it really makes me scratch my head. I ended up doing something like what you've got below, throwing it in a while loop with a sleep, and running IT as my cron daemon, carrying a few extra processes as extra baggage. I try not to think about it, but I can't stop. Thanks! Dave Klingler > Could it be a pathnamelength problem? (Doesn't cron send any error mail or log > any errors about what's going on?) > > Try making /tmp/foo that has > #!/bin/sh > /usr/local/bin/python -S /storage/virtual/mydomain.net/home/mailman.cgi/cron/qrunner > > making it executable, and putting *it* in the cron entry, just for grins. > > Dave Klingler wrote: > > > > Hi folks. I've noticed references in the docs to bug problems in the Redhat > > version of crond. I'm having strange problems with crond on my Redhat server > > (vixie cron), and I'm wondering whether anyone else has some insight to offer. > > > > Basically this entry works: > > > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner > > > > But this one doesn't: > > > > * * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /storage/virtual/mydomain.net/home/mailman.cgi/cron/qrunner > > > > I'd been banging my head against this one for a while before I realized the > > cron entry wasn't running. The entries themselves are correct, but qrunner > > won't qrun. > > > > TIA for any ideas! > > Dave Klingler > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jtrigg at huiekin.org Wed Jan 3 05:52:07 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:52:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination In-Reply-To: <3A526D34.B5351748@west.sun.com> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010102234928.01e6b380@mail.huiekin.org> At 07:07 PM 1/2/01, Dan Mick wrote: >??? "Implicit destination" means, as has been said, "the list address is >not mentioned >in To: or Cc:"; the *number* of recipients doesn't affect and isn't >affected by >the *content* of recipients. No, this has nothing to do with the problem of >seeing messages held for approval because of implicit destination addresses. However, what I've seen is that if the address in the To: header does not match the canonical listname (case-sensitive) I got the "Implicit destination" error until I either put a case-insensitive regexp into the "equivalent addresses" field or turned off the "require explicit destination" setting. Jim Trigg From dgc at uchicago.edu Wed Jan 3 11:47:36 2001 From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 04:47:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Upgrading In-Reply-To: ; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 08:07:27AM -0800 References: <02d401c074b6$e48400e0$0200a8c0@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010103044736.D4909@smack.uchicago.edu> On 2001.01.02, in , "Chuq Von Rospach" wrote: > At 7:24 AM -0500 1/2/01, Gary Wilson wrote: > > >Anyway could someone post the correct link or pass along the information on > >what needs to be done to correctly upgrade from the beta version. > > the trick is to upgrade all of the templates. The easy way to do this > is (using tcsh): > > cd ~mailman/lists > foreach i (*) > cp ../templates/* $i > end > > Taht'll copy in fresh copies of the templates to each list area and > update them. Do this after you do a make install. But that blows away any per-list customizations. You might want to take note of lists which have been customized, and deal with them manually. Depends on your customers and your lists. What I've done is to copy my old templates to ~mailman/old-templates, then: cd ~mailman for file in old-templates/*.html; do file=`basename $file` old=`sum old-templates/$file | cut "-d " -f1` new=`sum lists/$list/$file | cut "-d " -f1` if [ "$old" = "$new" ]; then rm -f lists/$list/$file fi done for file in templates/*.html; do file=`basename $file` if [ ! -f lists/$list/$file ]; then cp -p templates/$file lists/$list/$file fi done This works in my situation, but could be simpler or harder for others. In particular, that will require downtime - start HTTP and SMTP servers afterward. BTW, that's bourne code. I mention that since I see that Chuq's example was in csh (though it probably works in zsh, god help us). -- -D. dgc at uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago From zope at TheWebsons.com Wed Jan 3 15:32:12 2001 From: zope at TheWebsons.com (Ben Ocean) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:32:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't Install Mailman Until Install GCC!!! Message-ID: Hi; Forgive these newbie questions, but I *really* want to install Mailman!!! I tried the GCC list but my questions weren?t answered. For the record, I own my own server and it runs RedHat 6.2 (and I?m really not as dumb as these questions may make me appear :) There they have the following installation instructions. My questions are embedded: >>> Like most GNU software, GCC must be configured before it can be built. This document describes the recommended configuration procedure for both native and cross targets. <<< I?m not developing software: I only want to install Mailman. Is this considered *native* or *cross-target*? >>> We use srcdir to refer to the toplevel source directory for GCC; we use objdir to refer to the toplevel build/object directory. <<< What is *toplevel source directory* and *toplevel build/object directory*? Can you give me an example? >>> First, we highly recommend that GCC be built into a separate directory than the sources which does not reside within the source tree. This is how we generally build GCC; building where srcdir == objdir should still work, but doesn't get extensive testing; building where objdir is a subdirectory of srcdir is unsupported. <<< What does this mean? Can you give me an example? >>> Second, when configuring a native system, either "cc" or "gcc" must be in your path or you must set CC in your environment before running configure. Otherwise the configuration scripts may fail. <<< What does this mean? Can you give an example? TIA, BenO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anybody give me a tip please.... regards - -- John Read NewNet Marketing Waldweg 15 83558 Maitenbeth Tel: +49-8076-8879818 Fax: +49-8076-8879819 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOlM4SdflThNvxm27EQJ0CgCfZIF6JM6KQ9sejMSwQupeqzZTZJkAnRUv +Zgo3rZ16i9DrvBoaOUwjqID =6HPm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aaron2000 at hosting2000.com Wed Jan 3 17:09:47 2001 From: aaron2000 at hosting2000.com (aaron) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:09:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing mailman Message-ID: <000a01c0759f$9bfbe380$0900a8c0@blah> Hello, I have a fairly basic question, but I cannot seem to find the answers anywhere. I have a customer who is using a mailing list and would like to change the confirmation and welcome letters. I looked over the administration list and cannot find how to change them. Perhaps I am just overlooking it. How might I go about this? 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Nothing is logged >>>in the /home/mailman/logs/.... >>>Can anybody give me a tip please.... I have now fixed the problem by restoring the site password with mmsitepass. I still do not know what happened, as it was not possible to access anything even after restoring the backup of the sub-directories!! Just out of interest is there a password information stored somewhere else other than "lists", "data", etc. regards -- John Read NewNet Marketing Waldweg 15 83558 Maitenbeth Tel: +49-8076-8879818 Fax: +49-8076-8879819 From SUSSANDOZ at aol.com Wed Jan 3 20:17:31 2001 From: SUSSANDOZ at aol.com (SUSSANDOZ at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:17:31 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need to remove... Message-ID: <9a.e4b6e13.2784d4cb@aol.com> one of my subscribers to my real estate mail that goes out Friday, but I can't find my page to remove. I am Susan Sandoz, RE/MAX Central, Denver, CO. Please advise. Thanks. Susan Susan Sandoz Broker Associate, ABR RE/MAX Central Alliance 1873 S. Bellaire St., #700 Denver, CO 80222 1-800-747-7362, X636 1-303-759-6636 1-303-818-6636 (Cell) URL: http://www.susansandoz.com E-mail: sussandoz at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010103/362c6128/attachment.html From debb at holcatw.com Tue Jan 2 17:47:23 2001 From: debb at holcatw.com (Debb Walker) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:47:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello? Message-ID: I can not reach the link on your FAQ page for archives: http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000173.html ****************************** Debb Walker, Senior Supervisor Have YOUR party of choice! MINIMUM $50 in merchandise for home or catalog shows! Cookin' the American Way, Gifts by House of Lloyd, Christmas Around the World Have your OWN HOME business! http://www.holcatw.com From matt at thoene.net Wed Jan 3 21:19:02 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:19:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need to remove... References: <9a.e4b6e13.2784d4cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <3A538936.2A0EE338@thoene.net> SUSSANDOZ at aol.com wrote: > > one of my subscribers to my real estate mail that goes out Friday, but > I > can't find my page to remove. I am Susan Sandoz, RE/MAX Central, > Denver, CO. > Please advise. Thanks. Susan Do you mean you can't find your "admin" page? Try www.susansandoz.com/mailman/admin/ -Matt From reb at taco.com Wed Jan 3 22:48:42 2001 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:48:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A future feature? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010103164656.02cdf650@taco.com> It would be *really* nice to have a name field associated with each email address. I run lists that are mainly closed, and sometimes it's rather difficult to determine whether someone who has unsubscribed from a list at one address and is now subscribing with another is really the same person. This would also be handy for numerous other reasons. Just another one for the hopper! reb From MikeT at scitechsoft.com Wed Jan 3 23:30:51 2001 From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:30:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can not post to list Message-ID: <3A53379B.26455.53A337A@localhost> I can not mail a mailman user on my system. Only root and admin can revieve mail on this machine. If i write "Test" the name of a list on mailman i get: Unknown user: test at mailmanXXXXXX.com Should the list create the user to accept incoming mail for the list or did i miss something during setup. Also I do not have a /pipermail/test directory in my $prefix directory. Should this have been created when the list was created. The list appears to be functional with the exception of being able to post to it. Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks miket ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SciTech Software, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael E. Todd Chico, CA 95928 530-894-8400 #151 From matt at thoene.net Wed Jan 3 23:41:03 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:41:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can not post to list References: <3A53379B.26455.53A337A@localhost> Message-ID: <3A53AA7F.D4D39272@thoene.net> MikeT at scitechsoft.com wrote: > > I can not mail a mailman user on my system. Only root and admin > can revieve mail on this machine. If i write "Test" the name of a list > on mailman i get: > Unknown user: test at mailmanXXXXXX.com > Should the list create the user to accept incoming mail for the list > or did i miss something during setup. > Also I do not have a /pipermail/test directory in my $prefix directory. > Should this have been created when the list was created. The list > appears to be functional with the exception of being able to post to > it. Did you create the proper aliases in your aliases file? If using Sendmail, you'll need to put: test: "|/pathtoyourmailmanwrapper post test" test-admin: "|/pathtoyourmailmanwrapper mailowner test" test-request: "|/pathtoyourmailmanwrapper mailcmd test" test-owner: test-admin -Matt From hedemark at bops.com Wed Jan 3 23:50:41 2001 From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:50:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A future feature? Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC2139FF52@cascabella.rtp.bops.com> I second that one! -----Original Message----- From: Phydeaux [mailto:reb at taco.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 4:49 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] A future feature? It would be *really* nice to have a name field associated with each email address. I run lists that are mainly closed, and sometimes it's rather difficult to determine whether someone who has unsubscribed from a list at one address and is now subscribing with another is really the same person. This would also be handy for numerous other reasons. Just another one for the hopper! reb ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From vtsaran at nimbus.ocis.temple.edu Thu Jan 4 08:14:54 2001 From: vtsaran at nimbus.ocis.temple.edu (Victor Tsaran) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:14:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Up-to-date version Message-ID: <000001c0761f$5e3577c0$b8059ed8@wang> Hello listers! What is the most current version of Mailman? Thanks, Vic ******* ******* ******* have you thought of visiting Cybertsar's Internet Kingdom? It is still alive! Here is the URL: http://go.to/vtsaran or http://kickme.to/vtsaran ******* ******* ******* From jcrey at uma.es Thu Jan 4 09:18:23 2001 From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:18:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman spanish References: Message-ID: <3A5431CF.371ACE13@uma.es> root wrote: > > Hello all!! > > help in tradution in mailman english a mailman spanish... That is already done. Wait for next Mailman release. Cheers -- ___ / F \ [[[]]]] ( O O ) #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------# | Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es) | | Servicio Central de inform?tica | | Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a | #----------------------------------------------# # Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| # #----------------------------------------------# From fraktal at gmx.de Thu Jan 4 09:32:25 2001 From: fraktal at gmx.de (Oliver Gassner) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:32:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman spanish In-Reply-To: <3A5431CF.371ACE13@uma.es> References: <3A5431CF.371ACE13@uma.es> Message-ID: Your (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya ) mail on Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:18:23 +0100: >Wait for next Mailman release. Which will be out when? ;) OG -- Oliver Gassner Literatur Online: http://www.carpe.com Voice: 07042 978272 -- Fax 07042 940656 From demian at csbs.utah.edu Thu Jan 4 11:22:08 2001 From: demian at csbs.utah.edu (Demian Hanks) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:22:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission problems with new install... Message-ID: <3A544ED0.3258E166@csbs.utah.edu> I'm setting up a new Mailman server to replace an old one, and I'm running into the "Bug in Mailman 2.0..." message when I try to go to the initial admin page, or even the base listinfo.cgi page. It appears that there is a permission problem with perms on the config.db file and/or the lock directory. As far as I can tell the cgi-bin is working for other sites, but this one still has problems. I can't see any differences in perm between my functional server and this new one. I will attach the traceback below. The machine is running Solaris 2.6, patched current. When calling .edu/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/test3 I wind up with the attached traceback. Any suggestions? -Demian Jan 04 03:14:16 2001 admin(6878): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(6878): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----] admin(6878): [----- Traceback ------] admin(6878): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(6878): main() admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main admin(6878): mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__ admin(6878): self.Load() admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load admin(6878): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load admin(6878): fp = open(dbfile) admin(6878): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/export/space/mailman/lists/test3/config.db' admin(6878): [----- Python Information -----] admin(6878): sys.version = 2.0 (#1, Dec 6 2000, 22:04:56) [GCC 2.8.1] admin(6878): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python admin(6878): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(6878): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local admin(6878): sys.path = /usr/local admin(6878): sys.platform = sunos5 admin(6878): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(6878): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /export/space/mailman admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip admin(6878): HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache admin(6878): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(6878): PATH_TRANSLATED: /export/space/mailman/test3 admin(6878): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.14 admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en admin(6878): REMOTE_PORT: 2984 admin(6878): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(6878): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* admin(6878): REQUEST_URI: /cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/test3 admin(6878): QUERY_STRING: admin(6878): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /export/space/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi admin(6878): PATH_INFO: /test3 admin(6878): REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(6878): SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi admin(6878): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at csbs.utah.edu admin(6878): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(6878): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman admin(6878): HTTP_COOKIE: SITESERVER=ID=0d32b49f441ad4d07be8d46527013a72 admin(6878): TZ: US/Mountain admin(6878): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: demian.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 339 bytes Desc: Card for Demian Hanks Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010104/b4864334/attachment.vcf From richarde at eskom.co.za Thu Jan 4 11:34:04 2001 From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:34:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission problems with new install... Message-ID: Have you tried the check_perms script yet? You should find it in the ~mailman/bin directory. -- Richard Ellerbrock richarde at eskom.co.za >>> Demian Hanks 2001/01/04 12:22:08 >>> I'm setting up a new Mailman server to replace an old one, and I'm running into the "Bug in Mailman 2.0..." message when I try to go to the initial admin page, or even the base listinfo.cgi page. It appears that there is a permission problem with perms on the config.db file and/or the lock directory. As far as I can tell the cgi-bin is working for other sites, but this one still has problems. I can't see any differences in perm between my functional server and this new one. I will attach the traceback below. The machine is running Solaris 2.6, patched current. When calling .edu/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/test3 I wind up with the attached traceback. Any suggestions? -Demian Jan 04 03:14:16 2001 admin(6878): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(6878): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----] admin(6878): [----- Traceback ------] admin(6878): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(6878): main() admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main admin(6878): mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__ admin(6878): self.Load() admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load admin(6878): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load admin(6878): fp = open(dbfile) admin(6878): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/export/space/mailman/lists/test3/config.db' admin(6878): [----- Python Information -----] admin(6878): sys.version = 2.0 (#1, Dec 6 2000, 22:04:56) [GCC 2.8.1] admin(6878): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python admin(6878): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(6878): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local admin(6878): sys.path = /usr/local admin(6878): sys.platform = sunos5 admin(6878): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(6878): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /export/space/mailman admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip admin(6878): HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache admin(6878): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(6878): PATH_TRANSLATED: /export/space/mailman/test3 admin(6878): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.14 admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en admin(6878): REMOTE_PORT: 2984 admin(6878): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(6878): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* admin(6878): REQUEST_URI: /cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/test3 admin(6878): QUERY_STRING: admin(6878): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /export/space/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi admin(6878): PATH_INFO: /test3 admin(6878): REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(6878): SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi admin(6878): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at csbs.utah.edu admin(6878): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(6878): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman admin(6878): HTTP_COOKIE: SITESERVER=ID=0d32b49f441ad4d07be8d46527013a72 admin(6878): TZ: US/Mountain admin(6878): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 From zope at TheWebsons.com Thu Jan 4 16:20:46 2001 From: zope at TheWebsons.com (Ben Ocean) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:20:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!! 2nd Request!!! Message-ID: Hi; How can I install Mailman if I can?t install GCC??? How can I install GCC when the instructions for installing it are written in Greek??? Look, I?m not brain-dead, but it appears that whoever wrote the following intended to keep GCC from being installed by all but a handful of techno-nerds: >>> Like most GNU software, GCC must be configured before it can be built. This document describes the recommended configuration procedure for both native and cross targets. <<< I just want to get Mailman up and running. I?ll install it on a few sites on the machine. I?m not developing anything. So I assume that?s *native*? >>> We use srcdir to refer to the toplevel source directory for GCC; we use objdir to refer to the toplevel build/object directory. <<< That?s nice. Plain English, this means what? Could someone give me an *example* to show me how this applies? >>> First, we highly recommend that GCC be built into a separate directory than the sources which does not reside within the source tree. This is how we generally build GCC; building where srcdir == objdir should still work, but doesn't get extensive testing; building where objdir is a subdirectory of srcdir is unsupported. <<< First off, this sentence doesn?t even make sense (the English is so poor). Can someone give me an example of this one, too? >>> Second, when configuring a native system, either "cc" or "gcc" must be in your path or you must set CC in your environment before running configure. Otherwise the configuration scripts may fail. <<< What path? An example here would help as well, thank you. I?m obviously not as sophisticated as you high-level developers that put this page together, but as a suggestion, if you?d like to get people that are ramping up the computer language curve using your software, take a page out of Jakob Nielsen?s book (any of them) and make the site a little more user-friendly. If you want to keep it a private club, then hey, you?re doing a great job, keep up the good work. I?d *still* appreciate it if someone would be so kind as to help me get what appears to be the killer app in mail programs going on my machine by answering these simple questions. Thanks. BenO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010104/956a3e39/attachment.html From root at castor.cic.ipn.mx Thu Jan 4 16:54:27 2001 From: root at castor.cic.ipn.mx (root) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:54:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman spanish (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:32:25 +0100 From: Oliver Gassner To: Juan Carlos Rey Anaya Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman spanish Your (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya ) mail on Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:18:23 +0100: >Wait for next Mailman release. Which will be out when? ;) who??? i am not, OG -- Oliver Gassner Literatur Online: http://www.carpe.com Voice: 07042 978272 -- Fax 07042 940656 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Thu Jan 4 17:10:45 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:10:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!! 2nd Request!!! In-Reply-To: Message from "Ben Ocean" of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:20:46 PST." Message-ID: [Additional (slightly more relevant) lists trimmed] If you don't have a development toolchain installed on your system then you have 2 solutions:- 1. Acquire a pre-built one Does your vendor have a site (either run by them or by users) with current gnu tools? If so get the packages from there. See eg http://www.sunfreeware.com/ http://freeware.sgi.com/index-by-alpha.html also see Walnut Creek and GNU who sell CDs of binaries. 2. Build your own Do this if you are into serious pain since you obviously have not been down this path before. You probably need not just the compiler, but a good variety of the other gnu tools. You also need at least a partially working toolchain already on your box to build the new toolchain. If not then you need to go back to stage 1. For GCC you need a working(ish) basic compiler and several GB of build space. You will need to build the compiler native. No other info can be given here because you didn't give any clues at all as to what sort of box you are building this on.... To build python I guess you will need a substantial set of additional tools, although I have never built it myself. Questions regarding the building of gcc and python should not be further discussed on this (mailman) list. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From scott at emji.net Thu Jan 4 17:56:26 2001 From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/python and cron Message-ID: <6404255.978609386@wdhcp23.emji.net> trying to execute the following statement from within a cron script(perl): /home/mailman/bin/add_members -n $sfilename -w y $list 1>>/home/mailman/to_do/subs.log 2>>/home/mailman/to_do/subs.log it works fine from the command line, but when run under cron i get the following error in the log: env: python: No such file or directory any ideas what i can do to fix this? thanx s -- Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net voice : 1-888-258-8959 fax : 1-919-363-4425 From davek at mail.commercedata.com Thu Jan 4 18:12:33 2001 From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:12:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!! 2nd Request!!! In-Reply-To: from "Ben Ocean" at Jan 04, 2001 07:20:46 AM Message-ID: <200101041712.KAA12089@mail.commercedata.com> > How can I install Mailman if I can?t install GCC??? How can I install GCC > when the instructions for installing it are written in Greek??? Look, I?m > not brain-dead, but it appears that whoever wrote the following intended to > keep GCC from being installed by all but a handful of techno-nerds: Excellent! We'll accept that since you're complaining about it, you're willing to improve the documentation yourself. Many of the open source projects currently being developed suffer from a dearth of documentation because the developers are too busy trying to improve them to write instructions. There are just not enough unselfish folks like you who are frustrated enough with what's there to sit down and improve it for others' sakes. If you'd like to get some beginning help, check out the docs at www.linuxdoc.org. Here again, keep in mind that this documentation is written by volunteers and enthusiasts. And you put your finger on it; gcc is a development tool, meant for a developer audience, a fierce crowd of staunch techno-nerds if ever there was one. You can also find good help at the O'Reilly publisher's website, www.oreilly.com, where many beginners go to learn how to be techno-nerds. > I?d *still* appreciate it if someone > would be so kind as to help me get what appears to be the killer app in mail > programs going on my machine by answering these simple questions. Thanks. > BenO Again, excellent! The best way to show that appreciation is to keep careful notes and help out! If you get really stumped, there are probably people on this list who would be willing to straighten you out in return for monetary compensation, as well. Dave Klingler From andrews at stusoft.com Thu Jan 4 18:21:06 2001 From: andrews at stusoft.com (Andrew Stubbs) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:21:06 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Small config error Message-ID: <005c01c07672$b9630ec0$fdfea8c0@localnet> I have what seems to be a small config error. Installed all ok etc. But when a user sends back a confirmation to the subscribe request, they never get confirmed. Looking at syslog the incoming message was handed off to the mailman wrapper prog ok, but nothing seems to happen after that. Ideas appreciated Andrew From davek at mail.commercedata.com Thu Jan 4 18:32:12 2001 From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:32:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission problems with new install... In-Reply-To: from "Richard Ellerbrock" at Jan 04, 2001 12:34:04 PM Message-ID: <200101041732.KAA12665@mail.commercedata.com> Excellent! Someone else has the same problem I have. I can't offer any help, but I can say that I've run into this problem too on two of my virtual servers and maybe now we can track down what we have in common. My installations are on virtual servers in chrooted environments. Can you offer some details on the differences between your working installation and your non-working one? Like you, I've already installed Mailman and have successfully created working installations. For some reason, though, my virtual installations always need to have the permissions changed to be fairly permiscuous in order to get things to work. I've checked the UID and GID of my working vs. non-working installations; both match. The permissions of my working vs. non-working installations match as well. Dave Klingler > >>> Demian Hanks 2001/01/04 12:22:08 >>> > I'm setting up a new Mailman server to replace an old one, and I'm running into the > "Bug in Mailman 2.0..." message when I try to go to the initial admin page, or even the > base listinfo.cgi page. > > It appears that there is a permission problem with perms on the config.db file and/or the > lock directory. As far as I can tell the cgi-bin is working for other sites, but this one > still has problems. I can't see any differences in perm between my functional server and > this new one. I will attach the traceback below. The machine is running Solaris 2.6, > patched current. > > When calling .edu/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/test3 > I wind up with the attached traceback. > > Any suggestions? > > -Demian > > > Jan 04 03:14:16 2001 admin(6878): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > admin(6878): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----] > admin(6878): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(6878): Traceback (most recent call last): > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > admin(6878): main() > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main > admin(6878): mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__ > admin(6878): self.Load() > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load > admin(6878): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load > admin(6878): fp = open(dbfile) > admin(6878): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/export/space/mailman/lists/test3/config.db' > admin(6878): [----- Python Information -----] > admin(6878): sys.version = 2.0 (#1, Dec 6 2000, 22:04:56) > [GCC 2.8.1] > admin(6878): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python > admin(6878): sys.prefix = /usr/local > admin(6878): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local > admin(6878): sys.path = /usr/local > admin(6878): sys.platform = sunos5 > admin(6878): [----- Environment Variables -----] > admin(6878): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /export/space/mailman > admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip > admin(6878): HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache > admin(6878): SERVER_PORT: 80 > admin(6878): PATH_TRANSLATED: /export/space/mailman/test3 > admin(6878): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.14 > admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en > admin(6878): REMOTE_PORT: 2984 > admin(6878): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive > admin(6878): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) > admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 > admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, > image/png, */* > admin(6878): REQUEST_URI: /cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/test3 > admin(6878): QUERY_STRING: > admin(6878): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /export/space/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi > admin(6878): PATH_INFO: /test3 > admin(6878): REQUEST_METHOD: GET > admin(6878): SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi > admin(6878): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at csbs.utah.edu > admin(6878): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 > admin(6878): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman > admin(6878): HTTP_COOKIE: SITESERVER=ID=0d32b49f441ad4d07be8d46527013a72 > admin(6878): TZ: US/Mountain > admin(6878): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Thu Jan 4 20:02:43 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:32:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] procmail and mailman Message-ID: mailman wants the home directory group writeable, but procmail doesn't like that. Now how do I use procmail with the mailman user? I want to run a few perl scripts with access to $mailman/bin/*. It's for that wrapper I'm writing. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Thu Jan 4 20:08:44 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:38:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: procmail and mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2001 at 00:32, Satya wrote: >I want to run a few perl scripts with access to $mailman/bin/*. It's for >that wrapper I'm writing. Uh... the programs in bin are all world executable. Is that required? Does this mean anyone one the box can fool around with the mailman lists? -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see The sigmonster ate my sig and all I got was this stupid tagline. From ltinor at nsi-ins.ca Thu Jan 4 20:10:38 2001 From: ltinor at nsi-ins.ca (Lady Tinor) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:10:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information request Message-ID: <01C07658.1DE7BD20.ltinor@nsi-ins.ca> Our organization is considering using the Mailman software to administer its listserv(s) and while looking at your website, a few questions have raised. Could you please provide, as soon as possible, some information on the following isues: Subscribe/unsubscribe features: we would prefer that members subscribing to our list(s) would not have to use a password to subscribe. It appears that we might be able to avoid this by using the "mailto: " function. However, is there a way that the member would be able to unsubscribe WITHOUT using a password? It is mentioned under the "feature information" on your website that the software uses "majordomo-style email based commands". It is my understanding that with majordomo style commands one would simply need to write "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Can Mailman do the same. We do NOT want our member to have to use a password for such functions AND we do NOT want them to receive any regular "password notification" at all. The only information our member(s) should receive are our periodic announcement and nothing else. Is this possible? A immediate reply to this email would be greatly appreciated since we are currently considering your software for our uses, and need to make a decision in the near future. Thank you. Lady Tinor Computer Systems Administrator From davek at mail.commercedata.com Thu Jan 4 20:24:47 2001 From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:24:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] permission problems with new install... In-Reply-To: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024151AAA7@DIGISCENTSNT> from "Brian Beers" at Jan 04, 2001 10:47:47 AM Message-ID: <200101041924.MAA15937@mail.commercedata.com> Hi Brian. > It is a permissions problem. Well, yes it is, and no it's not. > If you go over the instructions very carefully and resent the permissions on > the /home/mailman directory, and subdirectories, it should fix it. Well, like I've said I've done a careful comparison to figure out what's happening. Permissions between working and non-working installations are *exactly* alike, which points to a UID or GID problem, but then the UID and GID are set alike as well. That fact says that UID or GID are being reset along the way, a detail I've looked for by using strace and following the process step by step. I haven't figured out what's happening yet, but maybe soon... Like I said, this is Mailman working in chrooted virtual machines, which is a strange animal for some reason. Thanks! Dave Klingler At some point today, I said > Excellent! Someone else has the same problem I have. I can't offer any > help, > but I can say that I've run into this problem too on two of my virtual > servers > and maybe now we can track down what we have in common. My installations > are on virtual servers in chrooted environments. Can you offer some details > on the differences between your working installation and your non-working > one? > > Like you, I've already installed Mailman and have successfully created > working > installations. For some reason, though, my virtual installations always > need > to have the permissions changed to be fairly permiscuous in order to get > things to work. I've checked the UID and GID of my working vs. non-working > installations; both match. The permissions of my working vs. non-working > installations match as well. > > Dave Klingler > > > >>> Demian Hanks 2001/01/04 12:22:08 >>> > > I'm setting up a new Mailman server to replace an old one, and I'm running > into the > > "Bug in Mailman 2.0..." message when I try to go to the initial admin > page, or even the > > base listinfo.cgi page. > > > > It appears that there is a permission problem with perms on the config.db > file and/or the > > lock directory. As far as I can tell the cgi-bin is working for other > sites, but this one > > still has problems. I can't see any differences in perm between my > functional server and > > this new one. I will attach the traceback below. The machine is running > Solaris 2.6, > > patched current. > > > > When calling .edu/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/test3 > > I wind up with the attached traceback. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > -Demian > > > > > > Jan 04 03:14:16 2001 admin(6878): > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > admin(6878): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----] > > admin(6878): [----- Traceback ------] > > admin(6878): Traceback (most recent call last): > > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > > admin(6878): main() > > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in > main > > admin(6878): mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) > > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in > __init__ > > admin(6878): self.Load() > > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load > > admin(6878): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) > > admin(6878): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in > __load > > admin(6878): fp = open(dbfile) > > admin(6878): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > > '/export/space/mailman/lists/test3/config.db' > > admin(6878): [----- Python Information -----] > > admin(6878): sys.version = 2.0 (#1, Dec 6 2000, 22:04:56) > > [GCC 2.8.1] > > admin(6878): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python > > admin(6878): sys.prefix = /usr/local > > admin(6878): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local > > admin(6878): sys.path = /usr/local > > admin(6878): sys.platform = sunos5 > > admin(6878): [----- Environment Variables -----] > > admin(6878): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /export/space/mailman > > admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip > > admin(6878): HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache > > admin(6878): SERVER_PORT: 80 > > admin(6878): PATH_TRANSLATED: /export/space/mailman/test3 > > admin(6878): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.14 > > admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en > > admin(6878): REMOTE_PORT: 2984 > > admin(6878): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive > > admin(6878): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) > > admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 > > admin(6878): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, > image/pjpeg, > > image/png, */* > > admin(6878): REQUEST_URI: /cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/test3 > > admin(6878): QUERY_STRING: > > admin(6878): SCRIPT_FILENAME: > /export/space/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi > > admin(6878): PATH_INFO: /test3 > > admin(6878): REQUEST_METHOD: GET > > admin(6878): SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi > > admin(6878): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at csbs.utah.edu > > admin(6878): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 > > admin(6878): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman > > admin(6878): HTTP_COOKIE: > SITESERVER=ID=0d32b49f441ad4d07be8d46527013a72 > > admin(6878): TZ: US/Mountain > > admin(6878): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Thu Jan 4 20:39:56 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:09:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information request In-Reply-To: <01C07658.1DE7BD20.ltinor@nsi-ins.ca> Message-ID: On Jan 4, 2001 at 14:10, Lady Tinor wrote: >password? It is mentioned under the "feature information" on your website >that the software uses "majordomo-style email based commands". It is my >understanding that with majordomo style commands one would simply need to >write "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Can Mailman do the same. > We do NOT want our member to have to use a password for such functions AND >we do NOT want them to receive any regular "password notification" at all. > The only information our member(s) should receive are our periodic >announcement and nothing else. Is this possible? Uh, I'm working on adding a bag on the side. Can any mailman developers tell us if such functions are going to be integrated into mailman? Or shall I continue developing the wrapper? -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see DOS never says excellent command or filename... From reb at taco.com Thu Jan 4 20:44:59 2001 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:44:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information request In-Reply-To: <01C07658.1DE7BD20.ltinor@nsi-ins.ca> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010104143829.037fa870@taco.com> At 02:10 PM 1/4/2001 -0500, Lady Tinor wrote: >Subscribe/unsubscribe features: we would prefer that members subscribing to >our list(s) would not have to use a password to subscribe. It appears that >we might be able to avoid this by using the "mailto: " function. However, >is there a way that the member would be able to unsubscribe WITHOUT using a >password? It is mentioned under the "feature information" on your website >that the software uses "majordomo-style email based commands". It is my >understanding that with majordomo style commands one would simply need to >write "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Can Mailman do the same. > We do NOT want our member to have to use a password for such functions AND >we do NOT want them to receive any regular "password notification" at all. > The only information our member(s) should receive are our periodic >announcement and nothing else. Is this possible? You can certainly configure lists to not have a monthy password reminder. As far as subscriptions go, however, you have three choices -- none of which involve entering a password: confirm -- Does not require a password, but requires that a user reply to a confirmation message in order to validate that he intended to subscribe require approval -- An administrator checks off a box and submits a form to confirm that the user is allowed to join confirm+approval -- Both of the above. Confirmation is a good thing (TM) because it prevents people from signing each other up for unwanted mail. As far as passwords go, at a minimum one is required for a user to unsubscribe himself. An administrator can easily unsubscribe a user by filling out a form. After having used a number of other packages I'd say that Mailman is the best I've seen. You may not think you want passwords, confirmation, etc. but it really does come in handy and prevent a lot of unauthorized subscriptions and unsubscriptions. reb From jw at w3internet.com Thu Jan 4 20:44:56 2001 From: jw at w3internet.com (Jeff Warnica) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:44:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information request In-Reply-To: <01C07658.1DE7BD20.ltinor@nsi-ins.ca> Message-ID: While I dont speek with the authority of someone who has done any work on Mailman, I think I can anwser you question based on the usual response to the password issue. It is generaly acknolaged that passwords are a good thing. Mailman can be configured to mail out reminders monthly, or on demand, so loosing them is a non-issue. I think that the main developers are not interested in changing this feature, or changing the double opt in for remote subscriptions either. Agian, both are a good thing and within the goals of the project (as I understand them). Also, by the tone of you message I think you quite confused by what mailman is. No one is making money off of it, and the unecessarly formal language isnt going to impress anyone (quite possibly the opposite). As a user Ive use a lot of mailing list systems, and I can say that mailman is the best Ive come accross. Looking over the virtual shoulder of a majordom instalation, and actualy running mailman as a sysadmin, I can say its good on the that end too (even if it is writen in python). > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Lady Tinor > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:11 PM > To: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information request > > > > Our organization is considering using the Mailman software to administer > its listserv(s) and while looking at your website, a few questions have > raised. Could you please provide, as soon as possible, some > information on > the following isues: > > Subscribe/unsubscribe features: we would prefer that members > subscribing to > our list(s) would not have to use a password to subscribe. It > appears that > we might be able to avoid this by using the "mailto: " function. > However, > is there a way that the member would be able to unsubscribe > WITHOUT using a > password? It is mentioned under the "feature information" on > your website > that the software uses "majordomo-style email based commands". It is my > understanding that with majordomo style commands one would simply need to > write "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Can Mailman do the same. > We do NOT want our member to have to use a password for such > functions AND > we do NOT want them to receive any regular "password > notification" at all. > The only information our member(s) should receive are our periodic > announcement and nothing else. Is this possible? > > A immediate reply to this email would be greatly appreciated since we are > currently considering your software for our uses, and need to make a > decision in the near future. Thank you. > > Lady Tinor > Computer Systems Administrator > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From scott at emji.net Thu Jan 4 21:10:22 2001 From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:10:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/python and cron In-Reply-To: <6404255.978609386@wdhcp23.emji.net> Message-ID: <7104099.978621022@wdhcp23.emji.net> ok. i found the answer and thought i'd post it in case anyone else runs into this. the environment variables under the cron user(root on this system) did not included /usr/local/bin which is where python was installed. doing a: ln -s /usr/local/bin/python /usr/bin/python fixed it. i expect change the paths for root would similarily work. s --On Thursday, January 4, 2001 11:56 AM -0500 "Scott R. Every" wrote: > trying to execute the following statement from within a cron script(perl): > /home/mailman/bin/add_members -n $sfilename -w y $list > 1>>/home/mailman/to_do/subs.log 2>>/home/mailman/to_do/subs.log > > it works fine from the command line, but when run under cron i get the > following error in the log: env: python: No such file or directory > > any ideas what i can do to fix this? > > thanx > > s > > > -- > Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net > EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net > voice : 1-888-258-8959 fax : 1-919-363-4425 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Scott R. Every - mailto:scott at emji.net EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net voice : 1-888-258-8959 fax : 1-919-363-4425 From brb at isilver-inc.com Thu Jan 4 21:34:56 2001 From: brb at isilver-inc.com (Ben Blakely) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Locking errors Message-ID: <3A54DE70.A2043C78@isilver-inc.com> Hi, I'm having an intermittent locking problem with Mailman (version 2.0) on a Slackware 7.1 (kernel 2.2.17) system. Apparently at random times, the Web/cgi interface will become broken, and all page requests to /mailman/admin will either give an "Internal Server Error" (apache logs show nothing but a premature end of script headers) or simply not return a response for quite awhile and eventually give a "Document Contains No Data" error (browser flavor seems to be irrelavent, this has happened on IE and Netscape and on both Windows and X-Windows). Taking a closer look, I find that there will be a buildup of lockfiles in the /home/mailman/locks directory, and some hung python processes. I turned on the lock debugging, and the logs/locks file contains this sort of entry: Jan 03 10:08:06 2001 (14469) bentest.lock laying claim Jan 03 10:08:06 2001 (14469) bentest.lock waiting for claim Jan 03 10:08:33 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:34 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:34 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:35 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:37 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:37 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:39 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:41 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:41 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking Jan 03 10:08:42 2001 (14469) bentest.lock lifetime has expired, breaking And on and on. Now, the really weird thing is that this will start happening to me on one browser, and I can hop over to another workstation and, pull the admin interface with no problems, yet it will continue to not work on the original station. It seems that if I kill off all the running python processes, delete everything in the locks directory, and think good thoughts, it will sometimes start working again, but some times it continues to not work. Any thoughts on where my problem might be? Ben Blakely Systems Admin I-Silver, Inc. brb at isilver-inc.com From m at whiteywillpay.net Thu Jan 4 21:50:39 2001 From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:50:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] passwords for bulk-subscribed users Message-ID: Hi all, When you bulk-add users via the Membership Managment page in Mailman, how do these users get passwords to control their list status? Matt Singerman | "This is just more of the usual conservative m at whiteywillpay.net | Christian hysteria over teenagers http://whiteywillpay.net/ | swallowing miles of cock." From mikal at wayne.goldweb.com.au Thu Jan 4 10:51:42 2001 From: mikal at wayne.goldweb.com.au (Michael Still) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:51:42 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Help!! 2nd Request!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Ben Ocean wrote: > How can I install Mailman if I can?t install GCC??? How can I install GCC > when the instructions for installing it are written in Greek??? Look, I?m > not brain-dead, but it appears that whoever wrote the following intended to > keep GCC from being installed by all but a handful of techno-nerds: Might I suggest that the phrasing of your email makes it less likely to be answered? Calling someone a techno-nerd (presumably that it a bas thing), and then asking for help seems counter productive. What OS are you using? Why don't you just download the relevant packaged gcc for your OS? In fact, is there a packaged version of mailman for your OS? Cheers, Mikal - -- Michael Still (mikal at stillhq.com) - Panda PDF Generation Library (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=panda&page=index.htm) - PandaLex PDF Parsing Library (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=pandalex&page=index.htm) - PandaScript PDF Scripting Interface (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=pandascript&page=index.htm) - GPG Public Key at http://www.stillhq.com/mikal.asc and on pgp.net keyservers "To read makes our speaking english good" -- Xander, Buffy the Vampire Slayer in "I Robot, You Jane" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6VEezlhS32Mrx370RAttHAKCZwkmmRfufx5RZxzyoKA9f+jDj4ACeMiWD 7SfXfVIBmTUrII9VtiGLWDI= =4nzF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Jan 4 22:09:31 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:09:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] passwords for bulk-subscribed users References: Message-ID: <3A54E68B.AD5736A@west.sun.com> Matt Singerman wrote: > > Hi all, > > When you bulk-add users via the Membership Managment page in Mailman, how > do these users get passwords to control their list status? Randomly assigned, just like they are when the subscribe request comes in via email without the "password=" keyword. From MikeT at scitechsoft.com Thu Jan 4 23:22:27 2001 From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:22:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail/Aliases not working Message-ID: <3A548723.11858.9824DAA@localhost> Using the listinfo page it is possible to subscribe as long as the subscriber does not have to confirm with a mail because they never get a confirmation letter. >From the membership management page I can subscribe through the Mass Subscribe Members box. This does not send a welcome message when checked to do so. none of the internal mail aliases appear to be set up, the mailman- owner@###.scitechsoft.com: mail never gets forwarded. The option "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Pig Archives." does not work. The link to http://###.scitechsoft.com/pipermail/pig/ Forbidden You do not have permission to access the requested file on this server. Thanks for any help miket ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SciTech Software, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael E. Todd Chico, CA 95928 530-894-8400 #151 From chris at torresen.com Thu Jan 4 23:23:34 2001 From: chris at torresen.com (Christopher VanOosterhout) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:23:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation for Mailman Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010104171716.04e9b100@192.168.0.7> Greetings All, I am currently completing an implementation of the Mailman program on our servers. I do not pretend to understand all the ins and outs of why it works however it seems to work very well. As I have been exploring around the program and watching this thread it seems as if there are so many great features associated with this program that are not documented. Many of the issues I am talking about may seem very elementary to more seasoned system administrators but they can become a bit of a stumbling block for people like me. Now I also understand that any time you take on a project that you (I) do not fully understand there is the opportunity for frustration ... but I have also learned that even more so there is the opportunity to learn. With that in mind, I am wondering if there is an organized effort toward further documentation? If so I would like to contribute. I have some things that I have found (not a lot but more everyday) that I think would have been easier if there was more extensive and organized documentation. I do not want to step on anybody's toes here ... however I would like to start working on some additional documentation for the program. Who would be the best people to contact for this. I look forward to "repaying" (at least in part) the people who have worked so hard on the coding of this program. Christopher - Christopher VanOosterhout Torresen Marine, Inc. Internet Division http://www.torresen.com 3126 Lake Shore Drive Muskegon, Michigan 49441 231-759-8596 From webmaster at isu.edu Thu Jan 4 23:41:04 2001 From: webmaster at isu.edu (Webmaster) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:41:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming Mailing List Message-ID: <3A54FC00.AE9ADA51@isu.edu> What is the procedure in Renaming a Mailing List in Mailman 2.0? Please email me directly . Thanks -- ############################### Webmaster webmaster at isu.edu Computing & Communications ################################ From thomas at ifi.uio.no Thu Jan 4 23:48:22 2001 From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:48:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning off digest Message-ID: What happens if I set "How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out?" to 0 (zero)? One of my lists is a newsletter and I want the digest version of the list to behave the exact same way as the ordinary list version (i.e., send the new issue of the newsletter immediately to all the subscribers). Thomas Gramstad thomas at ifi.uio.no From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Jan 5 01:27:11 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation for Mailman Message-ID: <200101050025.QAA10889@utopia.west.sun.com> Chris Kolar has a project, and I'm sure he would welcome the help. See the pages starting at www.list.org for a link to his stuff. > Greetings All, > > I am currently completing an implementation of the Mailman program on our > servers. I do not pretend to understand all the ins and outs of why it > works however it seems to work very well. > > As I have been exploring around the program and watching this thread it > seems as if there are so many great features associated with this program > that are not documented. Many of the issues I am talking about may seem > very elementary to more seasoned system administrators but they can become > a bit of a stumbling block for people like me. Now I also understand that > any time you take on a project that you (I) do not fully understand there > is the opportunity for frustration ... but I have also learned that even > more so there is the opportunity to learn. > > With that in mind, I am wondering if there is an organized effort toward > further documentation? If so I would like to contribute. > > I have some things that I have found (not a lot but more everyday) that I > think would have been easier if there was more extensive and organized > documentation. I do not want to step on anybody's toes here ... however I > would like to start working on some additional documentation for the > program. Who would be the best people to contact for this. > > I look forward to "repaying" (at least in part) the people who have worked > so hard on the coding of this program. > > Christopher > > > > > - > Christopher VanOosterhout > Torresen Marine, Inc. > Internet Division > http://www.torresen.com > 3126 Lake Shore Drive > Muskegon, Michigan 49441 > 231-759-8596 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From wandalb at zoomnet.net Fri Jan 5 01:21:51 2001 From: wandalb at zoomnet.net (Wanda Shepherd) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:21:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WW2 Message-ID: <3A55139E.903F62@zoomnet.net> Hi Trying to find info on Edward Helton, Whitley Ky. 303rd Bomb Squad. Killed April 1943, buried in Belguim. Thanks, Wanda Brewer Shepherd From cht at ccil.org Fri Jan 5 06:30:43 2001 From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:30:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3A54FC00.AE9ADA51@isu.edu> Message-ID: Me too. Del Thomas, Cite is no substitute for sight. On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Webmaster wrote: > What is the procedure in Renaming a Mailing List in Mailman 2.0? > > Please email me directly . Thanks > > -- > ############################### > Webmaster > webmaster at isu.edu > Computing & Communications > ################################ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From PBoshoff at mweb.com Fri Jan 5 09:31:05 2001 From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:31:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many addresses can you put in a list (restrictions per list)? Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE94F@za14nt02.mweb.com> Hi, I need to know the answer ASAP!! please. How many addresses can you put in a list (restrictions per list)? Pieter Boshoff Unix Admin <<...OLE_Obj...>> +27 11 3407256 +27 083 6004095 From Susan.Mueller at tmp.com Fri Jan 5 13:52:31 2001 From: Susan.Mueller at tmp.com (Mueller, Susan) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:52:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removal from mailing list Message-ID: <957A3819FF42D411BDBF00B0D03D119A3EE226@WI00IS001.tmp.com> Please take my name off the mailing list immediately. There is a virus on all your emails. Not once or twice, but its been going on for awhile Sue Mueller Account Executive, Directional Marketing tmp.worldwide 7825 Washington Avenue South, Suite 800 Minneapolis, MN 55439 p) 952 903-4632 f) 952-941-9010 susan.mueller at tmp.com www.tmp.com www.monster.com From Chuck at Statronics.com Fri Jan 5 14:46:12 2001 From: Chuck at Statronics.com (Charles W. Statkus) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:46:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors after installing Postfix Message-ID: <000001c0771d$de7f1040$2800a8c0@statdomain> I can't get rid of this: Jan 5 09:40:24 mail postfix/local[29125]: 75172FBD: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2: " /home/ma ilman/mail/wrapper post test". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 501, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) ) I have done the following many times: Problem: I use Postfix for my MTA and the mail wrapper programs are logging complaints about the wrong GID. Solution: Create a separate aliases file for Postfix in its main.cf config file under the variable alias_maps. Put the file somewhere in Mailman's home directory, or somewhere else where the user mailman has write access to it; as user mailman call Postfix's postalias on the alias file. % postalias the-alias-file Also as user mailman, run % python -c'import os; print os.getgid()' This should print out the group id that Mailman should be configured to expect when the mail wrapper programs are run. Call it thegid. Rebuild Mailman with % ./configure --with-mail-gid=thegid I also tried --with-mail-gid= 501 and --with-mail-gid= mailman The alias file works, I can redirect aliases. What do I do next? Thanks, Chuck [root at mail /home]# ls -l total 28 ..... drwxrwsrwx 18 root mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:38 mailman [root at mail mailman]# ls -l total 2980 drwxrwsr-x 8 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 Mailman -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1661 Jan 5 09:38 aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 20480 Jan 5 09:38 aliases.db drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 25 10:50 archives drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 bin drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 cgi-bin -rw------- 1 root mailman 2916352 Dec 25 12:07 core drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 cron drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 data drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 filters drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 icons drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 30 10:19 lists drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:46 locks drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 29 21:39 logs drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 mail -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 22 Dec 30 10:08 memb drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 4 17:12 qfiles drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 scripts drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 25 10:50 spam drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 templates -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 35665 Dec 30 09:42 wrapper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010105/b0e88900/attachment.htm From Chuck at Statronics.com Fri Jan 5 14:53:04 2001 From: Chuck at Statronics.com (Charles W. Statkus) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:53:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors after installing postfix Message-ID: <000001c0771e$d4081e80$2800a8c0@statdomain> I can't get rid of this: Jan 5 09:40:24 mail postfix/local[29125]: 75172FBD: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2: " /home/ma ilman/mail/wrapper post test". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 501, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) ) I have done the following many times: Problem: I use Postfix for my MTA and the mail wrapper programs are logging complaints about the wrong GID. Solution: Create a separate aliases file for Postfix in its main.cf config file under the variable alias_maps. Put the file somewhere in Mailman's home directory, or somewhere else where the user mailman has write access to it; as user mailman call Postfix's postalias on the alias file. % postalias the-alias-file Also as user mailman, run % python -c'import os; print os.getgid()' This should print out the group id that Mailman should be configured to expect when the mail wrapper programs are run. Call it thegid. Rebuild Mailman with % ./configure --with-mail-gid=thegid I also tried --with-mail-gid= 501 and --with-mail-gid= mailman The alias file works, I can redirect aliases. What do I do next? Thanks, Chuck [root at mail /home]# ls -l total 28 ..... drwxrwsrwx 18 root mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:38 mailman [root at mail mailman]# ls -l total 2980 drwxrwsr-x 8 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 Mailman -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1661 Jan 5 09:38 aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 20480 Jan 5 09:38 aliases.db drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 25 10:50 archives drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 bin drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 cgi-bin -rw------- 1 root mailman 2916352 Dec 25 12:07 core drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 cron drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 data drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 filters drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 icons drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 30 10:19 lists drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:46 locks drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 29 21:39 logs drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 mail -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 22 Dec 30 10:08 memb drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 4 17:12 qfiles drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 scripts drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 25 10:50 spam drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 templates -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 35665 Dec 30 09:42 wrapper From davek at mail.commercedata.com Fri Jan 5 17:25:40 2001 From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:25:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors after installing postfix In-Reply-To: <000001c0771e$d4081e80$2800a8c0@statdomain> from "Charles W. Statkus" at Jan 05, 2001 08:53:04 AM Message-ID: <200101051625.JAA18708@mail.commercedata.com> Hi Charles. If I read your post right, you're building with the wrong GID. Try configuring with --with-mail-gid=99. Dave Klingler > > I can't get rid of this: > > Jan 5 09:40:24 mail postfix/local[29125]: 75172FBD: > to= com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 2: " > /home/ma > ilman/mail/wrapper post test". Command output: Failure to exec script. > WANTED gid > 501, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) ) > > I have done the following many times: > Problem: I use Postfix for my MTA and the mail wrapper programs are logging > complaints about the wrong GID. > Solution: Create a separate aliases file for Postfix in its main.cf config > file under the variable alias_maps. Put the file somewhere in Mailman's home > directory, or somewhere else where the user mailman has write access to it; > as user mailman call Postfix's postalias on the alias file. > > % postalias the-alias-file > > Also as user mailman, run > % python -c'import os; print os.getgid()' > > This should print out the group id that Mailman should be configured to > expect when the mail wrapper programs are run. Call it thegid. Rebuild > Mailman with > > % ./configure --with-mail-gid=thegid > > I also tried --with-mail-gid= 501 and --with-mail-gid= mailman > > The alias file works, I can redirect aliases. > > What do I do next? > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > [root at mail /home]# ls -l > total 28 > ..... > drwxrwsrwx 18 root mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:38 mailman > > > [root at mail mailman]# ls -l > total 2980 > drwxrwsr-x 8 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 Mailman > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1661 Jan 5 09:38 aliases > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 20480 Jan 5 09:38 aliases.db > drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 25 10:50 archives > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 bin > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 cgi-bin > -rw------- 1 root mailman 2916352 Dec 25 12:07 core > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 cron > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 data > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 filters > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 icons > drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 30 10:19 lists > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:46 locks > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 29 21:39 logs > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 mail > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 22 Dec 30 10:08 memb > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 4 17:12 qfiles > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 scripts > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 25 10:50 spam > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 5 09:35 templates > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 35665 Dec 30 09:42 wrapper > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From tyler at mkfightclub.net Fri Jan 5 18:25:30 2001 From: tyler at mkfightclub.net (Tyler) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:25:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Software Posting Problem Message-ID: <005101c0773c$8178e1e0$e698f7d1@nexus> Hi: I am using the program through an installation on the my web host's server. They told me that I was doing everything correctly and to contact you. Since they installed the program on the server and not me, I'm not sure what I can do about it, but maybe you can advise. Here's the problem: My lists are refusing to allow subscribers to post directly to the list. Even though the box for "messages do not require approval" is checked, every single message sent to the list is sent to the moderator for approval - including messages from me - the moderator! This is the message that is sent when a valid subscriber attempts to post to the list: "...Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has implicit destination." What does that mean? The 'implicit destination' is the exact list address in the "To" field. I've tried posting with every possible combination - valid subscribers, using the listname-owner, listname-admin, putting the addresses in the box marked "Addresses that specifically DO NOT require moderator approval," and still, every single message bounces back to me with a request to log in and approve it. Even when I post directly from the designated moderator's address, it still comes right back to me in a matter of seconds asking me to log in and approve my own request. I posted to the HostRocket support board, and everyone else using Mailman reported the exact same thing happening. It doesn't seem to matter what settings you put in - I've tried ALL of them - every message goes to the moderator. This appears to be the only hitch in the entire program. Headers, footers, archives, welcome/goodbye messages, etc., all perform perfectly. I'm running two lists on eGroups I'm desperate to move before the Yahoo merger goes into effect, so if you could tell me what my web host needs to do to get this resolved, I would appreciate it. This is a copy of the response I received when I filed a trouble ticket with HostRocket: Your trouble ticket has gotten a response: ************ Hello Tyler, It doesn't sound like you are doing anything wrong, it sounds like that is a problem with the script. You should report the error to that authors of the script. John Reyes HostRocket.com Support You can respond to this by Clicking Here. ************ Since the whole purpose of a mailing list is the ability to post messages, I don't think this qualifies as a bug, but rather a faulty installation of some sort, or an update patch missing. They are using Version 2.0 Thank you, Tyler From be at berdmann.de Fri Jan 5 18:24:23 2001 From: be at berdmann.de (Bernhard R. Erdmann) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug in sync_members? Message-ID: <3A560347.13E124CE@berdmann.de> Hi, I've got a list with 9900 email addresses, each one on it's own line: $ bin/sync_members -w=no -d=no -a=no -f - news < members.txt Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/sync_members", line 257, in ? main() File "bin/sync_members", line 240, in main welcome, notifyadmin) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1051, in ApprovedAddMember raise e, v Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError How to solve? Yours, Bernie From barry at digicool.com Fri Jan 5 18:31:41 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:31:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0.1 Message-ID: <14934.1277.810270.449651@anthem.wooz.org> Hi folks, I've finally gotten the 2.0.1 release uploaded to SourceForge. This is a bug fix release only, see below for details. It's being distributed as a gzip'd tarball like usual, and also as a patchfile against the 2.0 source tree. If you grab the patchfile, you'll want to cd into your 2.0 source, and apply it like so: % patch -p1 < mailman-2.0-2.0.1.diff Note that you'll likely need GNU patch for this to work properly. Currently only http://mailman.sourceforge.net is updated, but the list.org and gnu.org sites should be updated soon. The release information on SF is at http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=19948 Enjoy, -Barry [From the NEWS file] 2.0.1 (03-Jan-2001) Bug fix release, namely fixes a buglet in bin/withlist affecting the -l and -r flags; also a problem that can cause qrunner to stop processing mail after disk-full events (SourceForge bug 127199). From be at berdmann.de Fri Jan 5 18:53:27 2001 From: be at berdmann.de (Bernhard R. Erdmann) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:53:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug in sync_members? References: <3A560347.13E124CE@berdmann.de> Message-ID: <3A560A17.C9A6213A@berdmann.de> > I've got a list with 9900 email addresses, each one on it's own line: > > $ bin/sync_members -w=no -d=no -a=no -f - news < members.txt > Traceback (innermost last): > File "bin/sync_members", line 257, in ? > main() > File "bin/sync_members", line 240, in main > welcome, notifyadmin) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1051, in > ApprovedAddMember > raise e, v > Mailman.Errors.MMBadEmailError There were lines containing spaces like: user name at som.dom.org After clearing these lines, sync_members had no problems. From cwiggers at libertysidecars.com Fri Jan 5 20:01:18 2001 From: cwiggers at libertysidecars.com (cwiggers) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:01:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe me Message-ID: <002401c07749$e2e5c1c0$0201a8c0@justus> unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(doesn't seem to be a FAQ, but I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask) Thanks in advance, Seer -- Seer Snively seer at nethelpnow.com Network Administrator NetHelp International From jtrigg at huiekin.org Fri Jan 5 21:29:26 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:29:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password In-Reply-To: <6463.977858902@kanga.nu> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010105152702.01e09770@mail.huiekin.org> At 02:28 PM 12/26/00, J C Lawrence wrote: >On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:08:39 -0500 >Jim Trigg wrote: > > > I lost the email giving me my list admin password for one list. > > The site admin claims that there is no way to either recover or > > reset that password, and that I have to recreate the list. Is > > that true, or can he use the site admin password to get access to > > the list administrative page and reset the password that way? It > > looks to me from the documentation that he should be able to. > >They can do exactly as you suggest. However internal security >concerns, especially those surrounding forgery and impersonation may >preculde them from doing what you ask. Then may I suggest to the Mailman development team that a way to get the administrative password emailed to the listed administrators would be useful (analogous to the button on the user options page to email the user password to the user). I find that being forced to recreate the list simply because I forgot a password is rather unfortunate. Jim Trigg From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Fri Jan 5 22:45:25 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:45:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning off digest References: Message-ID: <3A564075.7D00852F@west.sun.com> Thomas Gramstad wrote: > > What happens if I set "How big in Kb should a digest be before it > gets sent out?" to 0 (zero)? > One of my lists is a newsletter and I want the digest version of > the list to behave the exact same way as the ordinary list version > (i.e., send the new issue of the newsletter immediately to all the > subscribers). Looks to me like every message will be formatted up into a digest, completely destroying the point of having a digest at all... From jtrigg at huiekin.org Fri Jan 5 23:04:58 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:04:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning off digest In-Reply-To: <3A564075.7D00852F@west.sun.com> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010105170333.01cee420@mail.huiekin.org> At 04:45 PM 1/5/01, you wrote: >Thomas Gramstad wrote: > > What happens if I set "How big in Kb should a digest be before it > > gets sent out?" to 0 (zero)? > > One of my lists is a newsletter and I want the digest version of > > the list to behave the exact same way as the ordinary list version > > (i.e., send the new issue of the newsletter immediately to all the > > subscribers). > >Looks to me like every message will be formatted up into a digest, completely >destroying the point of having a digest at all... That seems to be his idea, so what he really wants to do is disable the digest option completely. (Set the setting "Can list members choose to receive list traffic bunched in digests?" on the Digest-member Options page to No.) Jim Trigg From jon at latchkey.com Fri Jan 5 23:38:34 2001 From: jon at latchkey.com (Jon Stevens) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:38:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error on macosx pb 2 Message-ID: using mailmain 2.0.1 Darwin takahe 1.2 Darwin Kernel Version 1.2: Sat Sep 16 15:09:23 PDT 2000; root:xnu/xnu-103.1.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc when I do a make install: Compiling /usr/local/etc/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ... Compiling /usr/local/etc/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ... Compiling /usr/local/etc/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 32, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/usr/local/etc/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 45, in ? from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver File "/usr/local/etc/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ? from Archiver import * File "/usr/local/etc/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 33, in ? from Mailman import Mailbox File "/usr/local/etc/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 23, in ? import mailbox File "/usr/local/etc/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 27, in ? class Mailbox(mailbox.UnixMailbox): AttributeError: UnixMailbox It fails. I also get errors like that if I attempt to run bin/newlist Any ideas? thx. -jon From umjishow at yahoo.co.kr Sat Jan 6 00:23:12 2001 From: umjishow at yahoo.co.kr (showgirl) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:23:12 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-users´Ô. "½ß¼î"¿¡¿ä. ½Å³âÀλçµå¸³´Ï´Ù. Message-ID: <20010105232010.23140E7A6@mail.python.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010106/48ec8266/attachment.html From yann.forget at ynternet.org Sat Jan 6 03:06:00 2001 From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:06:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working Message-ID: <3A567D88.D9BE8DDD@ynternet.org> Hi, Mailman stopped working on our server. There is no error messages in any log files. We have a dozen mailing lists. Mailman does answer any post whatsoever any more. Web interface still works. List creation and subscription requests work when sent from the Web page. But there is no answer after sending the confirmation mail. I still have such Postfix logs : Jan 6 03:01:23 bull postfix/local[29967]: C9B017E65: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("| /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test") Any idea where to start looking for ? Thanks, Yann From yann.forget at ynternet.org Sat Jan 6 03:12:18 2001 From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:12:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working References: <3A567D88.D9BE8DDD@ynternet.org> Message-ID: <3A567F02.DBDA5D02@ynternet.org> Sorry I didn't precise: It's a Debian Potato with mailman_2.0final-1.deb package. Yann Forget a ?crit : > > Hi, > > Mailman stopped working on our server. > There is no error messages in any log files. > We have a dozen mailing lists. Mailman > does answer any post whatsoever any more. > > Web interface still works. List creation > and subscription requests work when sent > from the Web page. But there is no answer > after sending the confirmation mail. > > I still have such Postfix logs : > > Jan 6 03:01:23 bull postfix/local[29967]: C9B017E65: > to=, relay=local, delay=1, > status=sent ("| /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test") > > Any idea where to start looking for ? > > Thanks, From dj at pcisys.net Sat Jan 6 03:38:54 2001 From: dj at pcisys.net (D.J. Atkinson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:38:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working In-Reply-To: <3A567D88.D9BE8DDD@ynternet.org> Message-ID: I had a similar experience a few weeks ago. Turned out that there were messages stuck in the mailman queue (~mailman/qfiles) that were causing some problems because the queue was taking too long to process. (Due to using SMTPDirect and some messages having STMP errors.) If you look in ~mailman/qfiles and see many files there, AND your cron jobs are still running, this is one possible cause. In addition to carefully cleaning out the qfiles directory, I set the following in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD = hours(36) QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(30) This shortens the time that messages will be kept in the mailman queue, and increases the time that qrunner will run to keep processing files. I've also been having to keep a very close eye on the queue to make sure things keep moving. When I see an address that causes files to build up in the queue, I'll use the mmsitepass to go in and set that address to nomail to keep it from getting worse. [Its not ideal, but I'm hoping to hold out until they redo the qrunner program to separate processing of new and bounced messages.] I hope this helps with your problem.. DJ On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Yann Forget wrote: >Hi, > >Mailman stopped working on our server. >There is no error messages in any log files. >We have a dozen mailing lists. Mailman >does answer any post whatsoever any more. > >Web interface still works. List creation >and subscription requests work when sent >from the Web page. But there is no answer >after sending the confirmation mail. > >I still have such Postfix logs : > >Jan 6 03:01:23 bull postfix/local[29967]: C9B017E65: >to=, relay=local, delay=1, >status=sent ("| /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test") > >Any idea where to start looking for ? > >Thanks, > >Yann > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- o o o o o o o . . . _______ o _____ _____ ____________________ ____] D D [_||___ ._][__n__n___|DD[ [ \_____ | D.J. Atkinson | | dj at pcisys.net | >(____________|__|_[___________]_|__________________|_|_______________| _/oo OOOO OOOO oo` 'ooooo ooooo` 'o!o o!o` 'o!o o!o` -+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+- Visit my web page at http://www.pcisys.net/~dj From jwblist at olympus.net Sat Jan 6 03:38:19 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:38:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010105152702.01e09770@mail.huiekin.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010105152702.01e09770@mail.huiekin.org> Message-ID: At 15:29 -0500 1/5/01, Jim Trigg wrote: >At 02:28 PM 12/26/00, J C Lawrence wrote: >>On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:08:39 -0500 >>Jim Trigg wrote: >> >> > I lost the email giving me my list admin password for one list. >> > The site admin claims that there is no way to either recover or >> > reset that password, and that I have to recreate the list. Is >> > that true, or can he use the site admin password to get access to >> > the list administrative page and reset the password that way? It >> > looks to me from the documentation that he should be able to. >> >>They can do exactly as you suggest. However internal security >>concerns, especially those surrounding forgery and impersonation may >>preculde them from doing what you ask. > >Then may I suggest to the Mailman development team that a way to get the >administrative password emailed to the listed administrators would be >useful (analogous to the button on the user options page to email the user >password to the user). I find that being forced to recreate the list >simply because I forgot a password is rather unfortunate. > Well, to be sent back, the admin password would have to be kept around. Which is a security issue, about which something would have to be done. Theft of the admin password for a list is a more serious matter than theft of a subscriber's password. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Sat Jan 6 03:46:31 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:46:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password Message-ID: <200101060244.SAA17329@utopia.west.sun.com> > >> > I lost the email giving me my list admin password for one list. > >> > The site admin claims that there is no way to either recover or > >> > reset that password, and that I have to recreate the list. Is > >> > that true, or can he use the site admin password to get access to > >> > the list administrative page and reset the password that way? It > >> > looks to me from the documentation that he should be able to. > >> > >>They can do exactly as you suggest. However internal security > >>concerns, especially those surrounding forgery and impersonation may > >>preculde them from doing what you ask. > > > >Then may I suggest to the Mailman development team that a way to get the > >administrative password emailed to the listed administrators would be > >useful (analogous to the button on the user options page to email the user > >password to the user). I find that being forced to recreate the list > >simply because I forgot a password is rather unfortunate. > > > Well, to be sent back, the admin password would have to be kept around. > Which is a security issue, about which something would have to be done. > Theft of the admin password for a list is a more serious matter than theft > of a subscriber's password. This discussion is going down the wrong path; clearly, if an ISP is providing Mailman services, it must also supply the "reset list password" service or "reset site password" service, one of the two. That's just life in the Service Provider industry. If that means they have to authenticate you-on-the-phone as who you say you are, well, that's no different from any other task they have to do at your direction. From bob at nleaudio.com Sat Jan 6 05:15:29 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff @ NLE) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:15:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly passwords really broken References: Message-ID: <3A569BE1.36C3E776@nleaudio.com> I just noticed in perusing my mail log these facts: Over 1000 messages were sent from "test-admin at nleaudio.com"... Which is quite something, given that there are only two subscribers to this first "test" list. Obviously many of the subscribers from other lists got an email from this address. Over 1000 messages were sent from "mailman-owner"@ my machine's FQDN, which also is rather bogus. I am running Mailman 2.0rc1, running about 15 lists under different virtual domains. Has any of this been fixed in Mailman 2.0.1? Is 2.0.1 available yet? Bob From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Sat Jan 6 05:38:36 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:38:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly passwords really broken Message-ID: <200101060436.UAA19248@utopia.west.sun.com> > I just noticed in perusing my mail log these facts: > > Over 1000 messages were sent from "test-admin at nleaudio.com"... Which is > quite something, given that there are only two subscribers to this first > "test" list. Obviously many of the subscribers from other lists got an > email from this address. Sure, this might well be the well-known, much-discussed, and not-much- we-can-do-about-it-right-now password reminder. > Over 1000 messages were sent from "mailman-owner"@ my machine's FQDN, which > also is rather bogus. Why? > I am running Mailman 2.0rc1, running about 15 lists under different virtual > domains. Has any of this been fixed in Mailman 2.0.1? I don't see any problem description. There's also no time period mentioned. > Is 2.0.1 available yet? I saw the announcement on this list, and from sourceforge. From listen at best4y.net Sat Jan 6 05:55:58 2001 From: listen at best4y.net (Roland Reichmann) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 05:55:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I get no postings Message-ID: <014d01c0779c$f73c46a0$b356fea9@reichmann> Hi there, I have a problem: the MM doesn't deliver the postings. I can subscribe and unsubscribe, can send password (the monthly ones) but I get no postings Pls. Help Roland Reichmann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010106/0f531f5b/attachment.htm From bob at nleaudio.com Sat Jan 6 05:46:36 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff @ NLE) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:46:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly passwords really broken References: <200101060436.UAA19248@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3A56A32C.E3D344BD@nleaudio.com> Hi Dan & All, > I don't see any problem description. There's also no time period > mentioned. What is wrong with the picture of a mailing list that is not in use (with only two members - me and me) sending out 1000+ emails for password reminders the first of the month??? I'd say that's a problem description. I also saw one of the emails sent out was on one of the other lists - not the "test" list. That's a second (but probably really the same bug) problem. Bob From listen at best4y.net Sat Jan 6 06:16:51 2001 From: listen at best4y.net (Roland Reichmann) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:16:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get no postings from MM Message-ID: <017601c0779f$e1bae040$b356fea9@reichmann> Hi there, I have a problem: the MM doesn't deliver the postings. I can subscribe and unsubscribe, can send password (the monthly ones) but I get no postings Pls. Help Roland Reichmann From listen at best4y.net Sat Jan 6 06:35:05 2001 From: listen at best4y.net (Roland Reichmann) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:35:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <01c401c077a2$6e0989a0$b356fea9@reichmann> Hi Liste, if I post my test-list I get 3 Emails to test at ns.best4y.at and no Email to the three list members. In the Header of the message is following line: X-Authentication-Warning: ns.best4y.at: mailman set sender to test-admin at ns.best4y.at using -f PlsHelp Roland Reichmann From stevenj at gil-galad.mit.edu Sat Jan 6 07:44:28 2001 From: stevenj at gil-galad.mit.edu (Steven G. Johnson) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:44:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists subscribing to lists without duplication? Message-ID: I'd like to have one mailing list be able to subscribe to another list (on the same server, of course), but not to have duplication for people who are subscribed to both lists. (This is a really nice feature of MIT's Project Athena mailing lists, by the way.) I couldn't find anything on this in the Mailman documentation, but on looking through the source code it seems like it is not supported as far as I can tell. Can anyone confirm? If so, is there interest in adding such a feature in the future? Cordially, Steven G. 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FOR DETAILS CALL 1 888 248 0765 if you are outside the USA, please fax 240 337 8325 Webhosting International From yann.forget at ynternet.org Sat Jan 6 15:33:38 2001 From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:33:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working References: <200101060230.SAA16947@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3A572CC2.B60807E5@ynternet.org> Dan Mick a ?crit : > > Is cron still working? Try restarting it. > > > > Mailman stopped working on our server. > > > There is no error messages in any log files. > > > We have a dozen mailing lists. Mailman > > > does answer any post whatsoever any more. Yes, that was it. Thanks for your input ! Yann From jwblist at olympus.net Sat Jan 6 18:51:42 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:51:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly passwords really broken In-Reply-To: <3A56A32C.E3D344BD@nleaudio.com> References: <200101060436.UAA19248@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A56A32C.E3D344BD@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: At 23:46 -0500 1/5/01, Bob Puff @ NLE wrote: >Hi Dan & All, > >> I don't see any problem description. There's also no time period >> mentioned. > >What is wrong with the picture of a mailing list that is not in use (with >only two members - me and me) sending out 1000+ emails for password >reminders the first of the month??? I'd say that's a problem description. >I also saw one of the emails sent out was on one of the other lists - not >the "test" list. That's a second (but probably really the same bug) >problem. Indeed...that is the well-known and much discussed problem we as mailman users can't do much about right now (to paraphrase). It does *need* to be fixed (the administrator of a small list does not want to get complaints from the members of a much larger list about the monthly reminders). I haven't looked at the code, so I don't know how hard the fix would be...but it hasn't been done yet, which is an indication of non-triviality. 2.0.1 is out (see SourceForge). It was announced in this list and in the mailman-announce list. Its release notes do not mention fixing the above, so the problem quite likely isn't fixed in 2.0.1. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From barry at digicool.com Sat Jan 6 23:30:23 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:30:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stop working References: <3A567D88.D9BE8DDD@ynternet.org> Message-ID: <14935.40063.33493.971949@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "DJA" == D J Atkinson writes: DJA> If you look in ~mailman/qfiles and see many files there, AND DJA> your cron jobs are still running, this is one possible cause. BTW, if this /is/ your problem, Mailman 2.0.1 might help. -Barry From barry at digicool.com Sat Jan 6 23:32:04 2001 From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:32:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly passwords really broken References: <200101060436.UAA19248@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A56A32C.E3D344BD@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <14935.40164.21625.844327@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "BP" == Bob Puff writes: BP> What is wrong with the picture of a mailing list that is not BP> in use (with only two members - me and me) sending out 1000+ BP> emails for password reminders the first of the month??? I'd BP> say that's a problem description. It's a known misfeature of Mailman 2.0.x. When crafting the password reminder for an address, Mailman picks the first public list it finds and uses that as the from address of the reminder. Yes it's bogus, and yes it'll (eventually) be fixed. -Barry From spades at galaxynet.org Sun Jan 7 01:37:01 2001 From: spades at galaxynet.org (Spades) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 08:37:01 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error sending mail to list Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010107083701.01579328@smtp.magix.com.sg> I got this error after all , any idea? > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) >554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sg-outing"... unknown mailer error 2 From irwanhadi at phxby.com Sun Jan 7 04:55:45 2001 From: irwanhadi at phxby.com (Irwan Hadi) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:55:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem accessing from web Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010106205226.02459390@pop.softhome.net> I got problem with mailman, that is everytime I access the site it always give [Sun Jan 7 10:43:05 2001] [error] [client 129.123.230.12] File does not exist: /home/mailman/html/mailman/admin/testing But in that directory [root at server mailman]# pwd /home/mailman [root at server mailman]# ls -ls total 43 18 -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 16854 Jan 7 10:42 Mailbox 2 drwxrwsr-x 8 mailman mailman 2048 Jan 7 10:42 Mailman 1 drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 1024 Apr 14 2000 archives 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:42 bin 1 drwxrwsr-x 3 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:42 cgi-bin 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:42 cron 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:42 data 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:42 filters 2 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 2048 Dec 24 17:23 html 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:42 icons 1 drwxrwsr-x 3 mailman mailman 1024 Dec 24 16:55 lists 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:45 locks 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Dec 24 16:55 logs 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:42 mail 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root mailman 8 Jan 7 10:42 mailman -> cgi-bin/ 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:09 qfiles 4 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3901 Dec 24 16:36 qmail-to-mailman.py 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 10:42 scripts 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Dec 24 14:50 spam 2 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 2048 Jan 7 10:42 templates 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Apr 14 2000 tmp [root at server mailman]# and in httpd.conf I put ServerAdmin XXX at XXX DocumentRoot /home/mailman/html/ Options FollowSymLinks ServerName milis.xxx.org ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/lain/milis-error_log TransferLog /var/log/httpd/lain/milis-access_log ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ So what's wrong then ? Thanks From bob at nleaudio.com Sun Jan 7 05:51:51 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff @ NLE) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:51:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives without the archives? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010106205226.02459390@pop.softhome.net> Message-ID: <3A57F5E7.1459BC86@nleaudio.com> I've got a list in which I don't want even the private archives, but I do want all messages posted to get added to the mbox file (only), so that I -could- build up archives at a later date if needed. Is this directly or indirectly possible? If it takes mods, where would I look? Bob From irwanhadi at phxby.com Sun Jan 7 06:23:21 2001 From: irwanhadi at phxby.com (Irwan Hadi) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:23:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem accessing from web In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010106205226.02459390@pop.softhome.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010106221831.024631a0@pop.softhome.net> At 08:55 PM 1/6/01 -0700, Irwan Hadi wrote: >I got problem with mailman, that is everytime I access the site it always >give >[Sun Jan 7 10:43:05 2001] [error] [client 129.123.230.12] File does not >exist: >/home/mailman/html/mailman/admin/testing I'm done with that problem, that's because I forgot to put ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ in httpd.conf Now I have another problem, it seems mailman is a bit slow in delivering mail, in meaning that as soon as the mail to be delivered arrived at server and delivered to mailman, mailman needs about 40 seconds before qmail starts deliver the message to the subscribers. Is this the right thing ? because in EZMLM, I noticed as soon as the mail arrived at server and delivered to the directory, EZMLM will start deliver the mail almost at that time ? Thanks From yellofish at home.com Sun Jan 7 07:41:52 2001 From: yellofish at home.com (Mike B.) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:41:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python stops working Message-ID: I've used older versions of mailman (I just got 2.0) and this has never happened. I go to the page for any of the lists, admin or subscribe, and watch the processes under linux top for apache. python will start, run for about 3 secconds, and then the CPU usage goes to zero, and the priority drops to 0. It just sits there like that until long after the browser gives up or I kill the process manually. Has this happened to anyone else? How do I fix it? I just upgraded to python 2.0 as well, version 1.5.2 never returned from any scripts, ever. Thanks a lot, --Mike B. / Yellofish software From yellofish at home.com Sun Jan 7 07:47:18 2001 From: yellofish at home.com (Mike B.) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:47:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python stops working: more Message-ID: I forgot, I also got these errors when I first ran the base admin page for my main (first (test) ) list: Jan 06 22:18:52 2001 admin(8091): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(8091): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----] admin(8091): [----- Traceback ------] admin(8091): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(8091): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(8091): main() admin(8091): File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 138, in main admin(8091): mlist.Save() admin(8091): File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save admin(8091): self.__save(dict) admin(8091): File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save admin(8091): os.link(fname, fname_last) admin(8091): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted admin(8091): [----- Python Information -----] admin(8091): sys.version = 2.0 (#1, Dec 8 2000, 17:37:37) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Linux-Mandrake 7.2)] admin(8091): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(8091): sys.prefix = /usr admin(8091): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(8091): sys.path = /usr admin(8091): sys.platform = linux-i386 admin(8091): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(8091): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html admin(8091): SERVER_ADDR: 24.1.10.211 admin(8091): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate admin(8091): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(8091): PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/yfmuddev admin(8091): REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.0.253 admin(8091): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us admin(8091): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(8091): SERVER_NAME: www.yf-soft.com admin(8091): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(8091): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) admin(8091): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg , application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, * /* admin(8091): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/yfmuddev admin(8091): QUERY_STRING: admin(8091): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin admin(8091): PATH_INFO: /yfmuddev admin(8091): HTTP_HOST: yf-soft.com admin(8091): REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(8091): SERVER_SIGNATURE: admin(8091): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin admin(8091): SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost admin(8091): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.14 (Linux-Man drake/2mdk) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a PHP/4.0.3pl1 ApacheJServ/1.1.2 admin(8091): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman admin(8091): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(8091): REMOTE_PORT: 1484 Jan 06 22:32:19 2001 (8171) Someone tried to access the admin interface for a no n-existent list: test I'm not sure what most of that (the real error part) means, any help would be greatly appreciated. --Mike B. / Yellofish Software From irwanhadi at phxby.com Sun Jan 7 08:11:12 2001 From: irwanhadi at phxby.com (Irwan Hadi) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:11:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python stops working: more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010107001030.0246c380@pop.softhome.net> At 11:47 PM 1/6/01 -0700, Mike B. wrote: >I forgot, I also got these errors when I first ran the base admin page for >my main (first (test) ) list: have you run ~/bin/check_perms ? and also ~/bin/check_perms -f From eichlan at yf-soft.com Sun Jan 7 08:18:23 2001 From: eichlan at yf-soft.com (Eichlan) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:18:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python stops working: more In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010107001030.0246c380@pop.softhome.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I tried all that, all of the diagnostic stuff says that everything is fine. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Irwan Hadi Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:11 AM To: Mike B.; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Python stops working: more At 11:47 PM 1/6/01 -0700, Mike B. wrote: >I forgot, I also got these errors when I first ran the base admin page for >my main (first (test) ) list: have you run ~/bin/check_perms ? and also ~/bin/check_perms -f ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Sun Jan 7 17:51:57 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:21:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper: -password +confirmation Message-ID: I'm sure you're sick of hearing this already, but I'm attempting a wrapper for mailman using procmail and perl (and MySQL, working on not *needing* MySQL). I've got a preliminary thing which DOES NOT WORK and should not even be released yet. If anyone wants a look, get . REPEAT: This does NOT WORK. It's not even a real release. It's only being put out by me to see if anyone else thinks it'll be useful. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Black holes were created when God divided by zero! From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 7 20:01:51 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:01:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!! 2nd Request!!! In-Reply-To: Message from "Ben Ocean" of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:20:46 PST." References: Message-ID: <21372.978894111@kanga.nu> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:20:46 -0800 Ben Ocean wrote: > How can I install Mailman if I can?t install GCC??? Find a pre-packaged GCC for your platform of choice. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 7 20:12:21 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:12:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information request In-Reply-To: Message from Lady Tinor of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:10:38 EST." <01C07658.1DE7BD20.ltinor@nsi-ins.ca> References: <01C07658.1DE7BD20.ltinor@nsi-ins.ca> Message-ID: <22116.978894741@kanga.nu> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:10:38 -0500 Lady Tinor wrote: > Our organization is considering using the Mailman software to > administer its listserv(s) and while looking at your website, a > few questions have raised. Could you please provide, as soon as > possible, some information on the following isues: > It appears that we might be able to avoid this by using the > "mailto: " function. However, is there a way that the member would > be able to unsubscribe WITHOUT using a password? No. This is intended for a future version but is not currently the case. If you'd care to submit a patch which adds this feature I'm sure it would be warmly received. > Can Mailman do the same. We do NOT want our member to have to use > a password for such functions AND we do NOT want them to receive > any regular "password notification" at all. The only information > our member(s) should receive are our periodic announcement and > nothing else. Is this possible? Currently passwords are required for unsubscriptions. Changing this would require a patch to the Mailman sources. It is quite possible to configure Mailman to not send password reminders. > A immediate reply to this email would be greatly appreciated since > we are currently considering your software for our uses, and need > to make a decision in the near future. Thank you. Should you wish to add such supports to Mailman you can find the compleat sources on Sourceforge ready for your patch: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/ -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 7 20:15:40 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:15:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] passwords for bulk-subscribed users In-Reply-To: Message from Matt Singerman of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:50:39 EST." References: Message-ID: <22350.978894940@kanga.nu> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:50:39 -0500 (EST) Matt Singerman wrote: > When you bulk-add users via the Membership Managment page in > Mailman, how do these users get passwords to control their list > status? They are assigned randomly generated passwords. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 7 20:18:49 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:18:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation for Mailman In-Reply-To: Message from Christopher VanOosterhout of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:23:34 EST." <5.0.2.1.2.20010104171716.04e9b100@192.168.0.7> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010104171716.04e9b100@192.168.0.7> Message-ID: <22561.978895129@kanga.nu> On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:23:34 -0500 Christopher VanOosterhout wrote: > With that in mind, I am wondering if there is an organized effort > toward further documentation? Not explicitly. There are some fairly good PDFs that are part of the current release. You might get together with their author and see what you can work out. > If so I would like to contribute. This is most excellant. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 7 20:19:32 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:19:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning off digest In-Reply-To: Message from Thomas Gramstad of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:48:22 +0100." References: Message-ID: <22630.978895172@kanga.nu> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:48:22 +0100 Thomas Gramstad wrote: > I want the digest version of the list to behave the exact same way > as the ordinary list version (i.e., send the new issue of the > newsletter immediately to all the subscribers). Why not just disable digests for that list? -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 7 20:23:40 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:23:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many addresses can you put in a list (restrictions per list)? In-Reply-To: Message from Pieter Boshoff of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:31:05 +0200." <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE94F@za14nt02.mweb.com> References: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE94F@za14nt02.mweb.com> Message-ID: <22890.978895420@kanga.nu> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:31:05 +0200 Pieter Boshoff wrote: > How many addresses can you put in a list (restrictions per list)? I've gone up to ~150K without too much trouble. Others have been playing with low order million subscriber lists. Beware that depending on your host and MTA setup you'll hit critical performance based problems that will require careful system configuration to get around well before getting to this point. See the list archives for some discussion of the problems and their avenues of resolution (there are no recipes as the problem is general, just approaches). -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 7 20:29:26 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:29:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Trigg of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:29:26 EST." <5.0.2.1.0.20010105152702.01e09770@mail.huiekin.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net> <5.0.2.1.0.20010105152702.01e09770@mail.huiekin.org> Message-ID: <23276.978895766@kanga.nu> On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:29:26 -0500 Jim Trigg wrote: > Then may I suggest to the Mailman development team that a way to > get the administrative password emailed to the listed > administrators would be useful (analogous to the button on the > user options page to email the user password to the user). Ouch. With the current mailman architecture hat would be difficult to do in a way that could be easily contained within a site's security envelope, whatever that may be. > I find that being forced to recreate the list simply because I > forgot a password is rather unfortunate. You can access any list, no matter its password, using the site password. You do not need to recreate. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 7 20:32:59 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:32:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Mick of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:46:31 PST." <200101060244.SAA17329@utopia.west.sun.com> References: <200101060244.SAA17329@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <23515.978895979@kanga.nu> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:46:31 -0800 (PST) Dan Mick wrote: > This discussion is going down the wrong path; clearly, if an ISP > is providing Mailman services, it must also supply the "reset list > password" service or "reset site password" service, one of the > two. That's just life in the Service Provider industry. If that > means they have to authenticate you-on-the-phone as who you say > you are, well, that's no different from any other task they have > to do at your direction. This is why the site password works fine to access and change list configs. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From yellofish at home.com Sun Jan 7 21:51:28 2001 From: yellofish at home.com (Mike B.) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python stops working: hard link restrictions Message-ID: I found the info about my problem in the README files, finnally, and found an error message while logged in as mailman. I'm using securelinux and hardlinks are turned off, or some suchness. Good thing to know if it mysteriously dies, but one thing, how do I turn off the hard link restrictions? Thanks a lot, --Mike B. / Yellofish Software From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sun Jan 7 22:12:15 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:12:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many addresses can you put in a list (restrictions per list)? In-Reply-To: <22890.978895420@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On 1/7/01 11:23 AM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: > Beware that > depending on your host and MTA setup you'll hit critical performance > based problems that will require careful system configuration to get > around well before getting to this point. This is the important point -- Mailman can handle it, but only if it's on a system with the resources to handle it. Mailman isn't the limitation... -- When did my wild oats turn to prunes and All Bran? From tom.moore at landslidedesign.com Mon Jan 8 04:55:54 2001 From: tom.moore at landslidedesign.com (Tom Moore) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:55:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #955 - 18 msgs In-Reply-To: <3A509628.5A6B71D0@thompsonic.com> References: <20010101121902.E414BE81B@mail.python.org> <3A509628.5A6B71D0@thompsonic.com> Message-ID: At 9:37 AM -0500 1/1/01, Jeffrey Thompson wrote: >Sounds like an ownership problem.... It was, and thank you for your help. I got past that point in the install, and have hit another roadblock. Does anything pop to mind when you see this?: [rock:~] root# cd /private/var/root/Library/OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0 [rock:OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0] root# ./configure loading cache ./config.cache checking for --with-python... no checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python checking Python version... 2.0 checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking for true... (cached) /usr/bin/true checking for --without-gcc... no checking for gcc... (cached) cc checking whether the C compiler (cc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (cc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether cc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes checking for --with-var-prefix... no checking for --with-username... mailman checking for mailman UID... 113 checking for --with-groupname... mailman checking for mailman GID... 10 checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 6 checking for CGI wrapper GID... (cached) 70 checking for CGI extensions... no checking for default fully qualified host name... rock checking for default URL host component... rock checking for strerror... (cached) yes ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1545] checking for setregid... (cached) yes ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1545] checking for syslog... (cached) yes ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1545] checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) cc -E -traditional-cpp checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1770] checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1807] checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1918] checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1971] creating ./config.status ./config.status: permission denied: conftest.subs [41] ./config.status: permission denied: conftest.s1 [101] mkdir: misc: Permission denied creating misc/paths.py sed: ./misc/paths.py.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: misc/paths.py [181] mkdir: Mailman: Permission denied creating Mailman/Defaults.py sed: ./Mailman/Defaults.py.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Defaults.py [181] mkdir: Mailman: Permission denied creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist sed: ./Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist [181] mkdir: src: Permission denied creating src/Makefile sed: ./src/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: src/Makefile [181] mkdir: misc: Permission denied creating misc/Makefile sed: ./misc/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: misc/Makefile [181] mkdir: bin: Permission denied creating bin/Makefile sed: ./bin/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: bin/Makefile [181] mkdir: Mailman: Permission denied creating Mailman/Makefile sed: ./Mailman/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Makefile [181] mkdir: Mailman/Cgi: No such file or directory creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile sed: ./Mailman/Cgi/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Cgi/Makefile [181] mkdir: Mailman/Logging: No such file or directory creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile sed: ./Mailman/Logging/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Logging/Makefile [181] mkdir: Mailman/Archiver: No such file or directory creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile sed: ./Mailman/Archiver/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Archiver/Makefile [181] mkdir: Mailman/pythonlib: No such file or directory creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile sed: ./Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile [181] mkdir: Mailman/Handlers: No such file or directory creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile sed: ./Mailman/Handlers/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Handlers/Makefile [181] mkdir: Mailman/Bouncers: No such file or directory creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile sed: ./Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile [181] mkdir: templates: Permission denied creating templates/Makefile sed: ./templates/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: templates/Makefile [181] mkdir: cron: Permission denied creating cron/Makefile sed: ./cron/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: cron/Makefile [181] mkdir: filters: Permission denied creating filters/Makefile sed: ./filters/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: filters/Makefile [181] mkdir: scripts: Permission denied creating scripts/Makefile sed: ./scripts/Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: scripts/Makefile [181] mkdir: cron: Permission denied creating cron/crontab.in sed: ./cron/crontab.in.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: no such file or directory: cron/crontab.in [181] creating Makefile sed: ./Makefile.in: No such file or directory ./config.status: permission denied: Makefile [181] [rock:OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0] root# ---------- Again, many thanks. Tom -- Tom Moore President, Landslide Design tom.moore at landslidedesign.com 11 Forest Ave., Rockville, MD 20850 phone: 301.762.0627 fax: 301.762.5156 From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Mon Jan 8 08:10:27 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:10:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #955 - 18 msgs References: <20010101121902.E414BE81B@mail.python.org> <3A509628.5A6B71D0@thompsonic.com> Message-ID: <3A5967E3.164876F3@west.sun.com> Does the fact that your prompt is root# mean that you *are* root? If so, then no, on any Unix I know of, there's no way you should be setting permission failures. Tom Moore wrote: > > At 9:37 AM -0500 1/1/01, Jeffrey Thompson wrote: > > >Sounds like an ownership problem.... > > It was, and thank you for your help. I got past that point in the > install, and have hit another roadblock. Does anything pop to mind > when you see this?: > > [rock:~] root# cd /private/var/root/Library/OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0 > [rock:OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0] root# ./configure > loading cache ./config.cache > checking for --with-python... no > checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python > checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python > checking Python version... 2.0 > checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c > checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes > checking for true... (cached) /usr/bin/true > checking for --without-gcc... no > checking for gcc... (cached) cc > checking whether the C compiler (cc ) works... yes > checking whether the C compiler (cc ) is a cross-compiler... no > checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes > checking whether cc accepts -g... (cached) yes > checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes > checking for --with-var-prefix... no > checking for --with-username... mailman > checking for mailman UID... 113 > checking for --with-groupname... mailman > checking for mailman GID... 10 > checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay > checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 6 > checking for CGI wrapper GID... (cached) 70 > checking for CGI extensions... no > checking for default fully qualified host name... rock > checking for default URL host component... rock > checking for strerror... (cached) yes > ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1545] > checking for setregid... (cached) yes > ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1545] > checking for syslog... (cached) yes > ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1545] > checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) cc -E -traditional-cpp > checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes > ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1770] > checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes > ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1807] > checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes > checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t > ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1918] > checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes > ./configure: permission denied: confdefs.h [1971] > creating ./config.status > ./config.status: permission denied: conftest.subs [41] > ./config.status: permission denied: conftest.s1 [101] > mkdir: misc: Permission denied > creating misc/paths.py > sed: ./misc/paths.py.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: misc/paths.py [181] > mkdir: Mailman: Permission denied > creating Mailman/Defaults.py > sed: ./Mailman/Defaults.py.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Defaults.py [181] > mkdir: Mailman: Permission denied > creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist > sed: ./Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist [181] > mkdir: src: Permission denied > creating src/Makefile > sed: ./src/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: src/Makefile [181] > mkdir: misc: Permission denied > creating misc/Makefile > sed: ./misc/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: misc/Makefile [181] > mkdir: bin: Permission denied > creating bin/Makefile > sed: ./bin/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: bin/Makefile [181] > mkdir: Mailman: Permission denied > creating Mailman/Makefile > sed: ./Mailman/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Makefile [181] > mkdir: Mailman/Cgi: No such file or directory > creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile > sed: ./Mailman/Cgi/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Cgi/Makefile [181] > mkdir: Mailman/Logging: No such file or directory > creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile > sed: ./Mailman/Logging/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Logging/Makefile [181] > mkdir: Mailman/Archiver: No such file or directory > creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile > sed: ./Mailman/Archiver/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Archiver/Makefile [181] > mkdir: Mailman/pythonlib: No such file or directory > creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile > sed: ./Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile [181] > mkdir: Mailman/Handlers: No such file or directory > creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile > sed: ./Mailman/Handlers/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Handlers/Makefile [181] > mkdir: Mailman/Bouncers: No such file or directory > creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile > sed: ./Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile [181] > mkdir: templates: Permission denied > creating templates/Makefile > sed: ./templates/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: templates/Makefile [181] > mkdir: cron: Permission denied > creating cron/Makefile > sed: ./cron/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: cron/Makefile [181] > mkdir: filters: Permission denied > creating filters/Makefile > sed: ./filters/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: filters/Makefile [181] > mkdir: scripts: Permission denied > creating scripts/Makefile > sed: ./scripts/Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: scripts/Makefile [181] > mkdir: cron: Permission denied > creating cron/crontab.in > sed: ./cron/crontab.in.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: no such file or directory: cron/crontab.in [181] > creating Makefile > sed: ./Makefile.in: No such file or directory > ./config.status: permission denied: Makefile [181] > [rock:OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0] root# > ---------- > > Again, many thanks. > > Tom > -- > > Tom Moore > President, Landslide Design > tom.moore at landslidedesign.com > 11 Forest Ave., Rockville, MD 20850 > phone: 301.762.0627 fax: 301.762.5156 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG Mon Jan 8 08:18:43 2001 From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:18:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #955 - 18 msgs In-Reply-To: <3A5967E3.164876F3@west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > Does the fact that your prompt is root# mean that you *are* root? > If so, then no, on any Unix I know of, there's no way you should be setting > permission failures. ...without an NFS mount, that is. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk at QueerNet.ORG PO Box 14309 San Francisco, CA 94114 "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 8 08:39:39 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:39:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #955 - 18 msgs In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Mick of "Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:10:27 PST." <3A5967E3.164876F3@west.sun.com> References: <20010101121902.E414BE81B@mail.python.org> <3A509628.5A6B71D0@thompsonic.com> <3A5967E3.164876F3@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <7198.978939579@kanga.nu> On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:10:27 -0800 Dan Mick wrote: > Does the fact that your prompt is root# mean that you *are* root? > If so, then no, on any Unix I know of, there's no way you should > be setting permission failures. Unless its over NFS or some other network file system, *OR* there are either ACL/MACs or capabilities involved with some sort of secure/trusted kernel. Root is no longer always really root. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From jerry at travel.com.tw Mon Jan 8 09:38:17 2001 From: jerry at travel.com.tw (Jerry Liang) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:38:17 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-responder Message-ID: <3A597C79.9FB44F91@travel.com.tw> Dear Sir/Madam: I have tried to install mailman-2.0.1 on my linux server. After the installation, I created a new list and tried to subscribe to this list. However, the mail accounts for the auto-responders were not built. listname at yourhost.com -- the general posting address listname-request at ... -- the automated "request bot" address listname-admin at ... -- the human administrator address Thus, I can't subscribe to any list. Could you please tell me where possibily I might did wrong? Best Regards, Jerry Liang From jwt at OnJapan.net Mon Jan 8 10:42:40 2001 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:42:40 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <01c401c077a2$6e0989a0$b356fea9@reichmann>; from listen@best4y.net on Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:35:05AM +0100 References: <01c401c077a2$6e0989a0$b356fea9@reichmann> Message-ID: <20010108184240.A23382@server.onjapan.net> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:35:05AM +0100, Roland Reichmann wrote: > In the Header of the message is following line: > > X-Authentication-Warning: ns.best4y.at: mailman set sender to > test-admin at ns.best4y.at using -f You should investigate making your mailman user a "trusted user" of your MTA (sendmail, I'd guess). From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Mon Jan 8 13:42:43 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:12:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-responder In-Reply-To: <3A597C79.9FB44F91@travel.com.tw> Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2001 at 16:38, Jerry Liang wrote: >After the installation, I created a new list and tried to subscribe to >this list. However, the mail accounts for the auto-responders were not >built. > >listname at yourhost.com -- the general posting address [etc.] You have to add them manually to your /etc/aliases file, and run newaliases. That's assuming you're using sendmail. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Dinner not ready...(A)bort (R)etry (P)izza From tom.moore at landslidedesign.com Mon Jan 8 14:38:32 2001 From: tom.moore at landslidedesign.com (Tom Moore) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:38:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: problem installing as root In-Reply-To: <3A5967E3.164876F3@west.sun.com> References: <20010101121902.E414BE81B@mail.python.org> <3A509628.5A6B71D0@thompsonic.com> <3A5967E3.164876F3@west.sun.com> Message-ID: Yes, sir. I'm logged in as root and I'm sitting right at the machine administering it (It's not over NFS or anything like that). I was wondering, from the look of it, if perhaps Python itself didn't have permission to do the install (which is probably stupid -- Python probably gets its authority from whoever's running it...) Thank you all for for applying your gray cells to this. Tom >Does the fact that your prompt is root# mean that you *are* root? >If so, then no, on any Unix I know of, there's no way you should be setting >permission failures. -- Tom Moore President, Landslide Design tom.moore at landslidedesign.com 11 Forest Ave., Rockville, MD 20850 phone: 301.762.0627 fax: 301.762.5156 From fred at mail.rons.net.cn Mon Jan 8 23:39:48 2001 From: fred at mail.rons.net.cn (Hong Feng) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:39:48 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to install Mailman on ZOPE's web server? Message-ID: <01010906421400.03689@magpie> Hi, we are moving our web server from Apache to ZOPE, and I wonder how to install Mailman to the web server coming with ZOPE. Any tips? thanks, Frederic -- ========================================================================= Hong Feng/President & CEO RON's Datacom Co., Ltd. Email: fred at mail.rons.net.cn http://www.rons.net.cn ========================================================================= From davek at mail.commercedata.com Mon Jan 8 17:16:06 2001 From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:16:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-responder In-Reply-To: <3A597C79.9FB44F91@travel.com.tw> from "Jerry Liang" at Jan 08, 2001 04:38:17 PM Message-ID: <200101081616.JAA07365@mail.commercedata.com> Hi Jerry. > I have tried to install mailman-2.0.1 on my linux server. > > After the installation, I created a new list and tried to subscribe to > this list. However, the mail accounts for the auto-responders were not > built. > > listname at yourhost.com -- the general posting address > listname-request at ... -- the automated "request bot" address > listname-admin at ... -- the human administrator address You need to add these yourself to your /etc/aliases file (and run newaliases) if you use sendmail or any other mailer which uses that method, or somehow generate the aliases if you use another mailer which doesn't. Try running "bin/newlist testlist" and check out the aliases the program gives you at the end of the list creation process. Dave Klingler From wheakory at isu.edu Mon Jan 8 18:03:29 2001 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:03:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming Mailing List Message-ID: <3A59F2E1.4E19E424@isu.edu> What is the procedure for Renaming a mailman mailing list in Mailman 2.0. Nobody seems to know the answer or steps. Kory Wheatley From webmaster at hip-hop.ro Mon Jan 8 18:45:24 2001 From: webmaster at hip-hop.ro (Tavi - Hip-Hop.Ro) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message-ID: Hi! I am using Mailman, the GNU Mailing List Manager, version 2, and I cannot figure out if I can make my list read-only. Please tell me if it has this feature and if yes what I should do. Thank you very much! Tavi M. http://216.74.71.64/mailman/listinfo/list_hip-hop.ro -- Romanian Hip-Hop! http://hip-hop.ro webmaster at hip-hop.ro From brazell at bmh.com Mon Jan 8 20:20:15 2001 From: brazell at bmh.com (Natr Brazell) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:20:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving servers Message-ID: I want to change my mail man server, so I installed the newer version of mailman from my old server. Now I need to move all my mailing lists etc to the new server. How? Thanks for any help in advance. Nate Brazell From MikeT at scitechsoft.com Mon Jan 8 22:08:42 2001 From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:08:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendail alternative Message-ID: <3A59BBDA.9534.FB86E7E@localhost> While trying to get mailman to work correctly I have found that sendmail has been altered and or modified by the manufacture of our server. We are currently using a Cobalt raq 4. I can not get mailman or the raq4 to accept a post to a list. The server also will not alias correctly. Would Qmail be a good choice for a second MTA, Are there procedures to use a second MTA. Thank You miket ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SciTech Software, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael E. Todd Chico, CA 95928 530-894-8400 #151 From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Mon Jan 8 22:31:12 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:31:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #955 - 18 msgs References: <20010101121902.E414BE81B@mail.python.org> <3A509628.5A6B71D0@thompsonic.com> <3A5967E3.164876F3@west.sun.com> <7198.978939579@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3A5A31A0.F7C5F28F@west.sun.com> J C Lawrence wrote: > > On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:10:27 -0800 > Dan Mick wrote: > > > Does the fact that your prompt is root# mean that you *are* root? > > If so, then no, on any Unix I know of, there's no way you should > > be setting permission failures. > > Unless its over NFS or some other network file system, *OR* there > are either ACL/MACs or capabilities involved with some sort of > secure/trusted kernel. > > Root is no longer always really root. Very true; I hadn't imagined NFS until after I sent the lette, but that's a good point. Don't Install Software Over NFS. From rob at 2guyshosting.com Mon Jan 8 22:28:34 2001 From: rob at 2guyshosting.com (M. Robert Martin) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:28:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendail alternative In-Reply-To: <3A59BBDA.9534.FB86E7E@localhost> Message-ID: I use Qmail as my primary server ("Secure, Reliable, Efficient: Pick Three") and Mailman has performed very well with it. I recall from my first installation of Qmail that, as part of the "official" installation procedure, you pass through steps that would allow you to use Qmail as a secondary server (i.e. Sendmail could stay.) I vaguely recall a ./configure argument giving a path to the MTA command, so you should be able to build using qmail-inject as your preferred MTA, or /var/qmail/bin/sendmail as a sendmail-compliant interface to Qmail. One of the developers or really good users will probably be able to confirm the existence of the ./configure argument -- I've only installed a dozen times over the last 18 months, and rarely have had the kinds of problems that lets you learn the "nuts and bolts" of an application like this. Meanwhile, good luck! Rob Martin On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 MikeT at scitechsoft.com wrote: > While trying to get mailman to work correctly I have found that sendmail > has been altered and or modified by the manufacture of our server. We > are currently using a Cobalt raq 4. I can not get mailman or the raq4 to > accept a post to a list. The server also will not alias correctly. > > Would Qmail be a good choice for a second MTA, Are there procedures > to use a second MTA. > > > Thank You > miket > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SciTech Software, Inc. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Michael E. Todd > Chico, CA 95928 > 530-894-8400 #151 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 8 22:57:37 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:57:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #955 - 18 msgs In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Mick of "Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:31:12 PST." <3A5A31A0.F7C5F28F@west.sun.com> References: <20010101121902.E414BE81B@mail.python.org> <3A509628.5A6B71D0@thompsonic.com> <3A5967E3.164876F3@west.sun.com> <7198.978939579@kanga.nu> <3A5A31A0.F7C5F28F@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <32628.978991057@kanga.nu> On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:31:12 -0800 Dan Mick wrote: > J C Lawrence wrote: >> On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:10:27 -0800 Dan Mick >> wrote: >> Unless its over NFS or some other network file system, *OR* there >> are either ACL/MACs or capabilities involved with some sort of >> secure/trusted kernel. >> >> Root is no longer always really root. > Very true; I hadn't imagined NFS until after I sent the lette, but > that's a good point. Don't Install Software Over NFS. And that doesn't even count capabilities etc. We're already starting to see Linux distributions which install capability-based kernels by default. I have little doubt they'll become common before too long (I'm already playing with them here). It gets really scary when the file has 777 permissions and you *still* can't read or write to it. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From dmelton at banzuke.com Tue Jan 9 00:07:48 2001 From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:07:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP error "All recipients refused" Message-ID: I've been a happy Mailman user for many months, with absolutely no problems. I just rebuilt my server from scratch using RHL 7.0 (previous installation was RHL 6.1). Everything else is back on the air, but I can't seem to get Mailman going again. I rebuilt and reinstalled from the current distribution, created a test list, and subscribed myself to it. Problem is, I can't get Mailman to send anything! ~mailman/logs/smtp is growing rapidly, with lines like - Jan 08 02:51:03 2001 (24659) All recipients refused: host not found Jan 08 02:51:03 2001 (24659) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.067 seconds When it says "host not found", how do I tell what host it was trying to reach? Seems like that would help narrow it down to whether Mailman is sending to the wrong place or sendmail isn't listening... Oh yeah, here are the relevant product versions - Linux (RHL 7.0) 2.2.16-22 mailman version 2.0 sendmail version 8.11.0 python version 1.5.2 Any troubleshooting advice (or simply pointing out my obvious dumb mistake) would be welcome. Let me know if you need any other info. Thanks in advance, Dave Melton From blarson at compu.net Mon Jan 8 23:34:10 2001 From: blarson at compu.net (Bill Larson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:34:10 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <019601c079c3$1ec84980$2223f8d8@compu.net> Version information mailman: 2.0 Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 Procmail: v3.13.1 webserver: Apache/1.3.12 I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 seconds Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 seconds Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 seconds This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not get the confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is recorded each time Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ [ipaddress] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? From matt at mail.ltlb.com Mon Jan 8 23:40:40 2001 From: matt at mail.ltlb.com (Matt Starnes) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:40:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relaying error message Message-ID: <3A5A41E7.ED7B35D4@mail.ltlb.com> Hello, this is a new install of Mailman, latest version, on a new PC. I have mailman successfully running on one of our other servers, but am getting the Sendmail Relaying Denied error. I believe I have everything setup correctly. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Matt From MRlist at ActiveState.com Tue Jan 9 01:07:28 2001 From: MRlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:07:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] why member's email is taken as No-memeber posting and put into pending? Message-ID: <20010108160304.AFC9.MRLIST@activestate.com> Hi There, I got a problem here, I have couple member post only mailists, but I found there are some member posted emails are put into pending also with the information "Non-members are not allowed to post messages to this list.", so I am wondring how this happened, and if there is a solution? My system Qmail+Mailman2.0 Thanks, you guys! From blarson at compu.net Tue Jan 9 01:15:00 2001 From: blarson at compu.net (Bill Larson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:15:00 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My last message. Message-ID: <001d01c079d1$34cab700$2223f8d8@compu.net> I had digest mode on by mistake if you have sent a response reguarding the NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ [ipaddress] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA problem please send me a copy via email blarson at compu.net Bill Larson Network Administrator , Compu-Net Enterprises Local: (931) 920-0043 Toll free: (877) 920-1429 From siew_chin at yahoo.com Tue Jan 9 10:41:41 2001 From: siew_chin at yahoo.com (Yee Siew Chin) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:41:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] other administrative login Message-ID: <20010109094141.5961.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com> hi does mailman have extra login for administrative on mailman? perhaps, can different mailling list have different logins? rgds, yee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Jan 9 11:16:27 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:16:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] other administrative login References: <20010109094141.5961.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A5AE4FB.2FB2C908@west.sun.com> Yee Siew Chin wrote: > > hi > > does mailman have extra login for administrative on > mailman? Maybe you mean the "site password"? > perhaps, can different mailling list have different logins? Each mailing list *does* have its own password. Does this answer either question? It's difficult to tell exactly what your questions are. From bmo at semo.net Tue Jan 9 18:35:47 2001 From: bmo at semo.net (Bill Ormsby) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:35:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c07a62$9b9830c0$64a891d1@c2i5c4> unsubscribe bmo at semo.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010109/412bdbdb/attachment.html From cwieland at uci.edu Tue Jan 9 17:21:13 2001 From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:21:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new site Message-ID: Hello all I've posted this before but I didn't get any responses. I'am looking at replacing our aging CREN Listproc with Mailman and am interested in how robust it is, we have just over 400 lists with the majority having ~50 subscribers and a few in excess of ~2000 with several messages sent per day. Can someone share what they're running and how satisfied they are with the Mailman solution and any other nuances I may not realize in switching. Thanks in advance. Con Wieland University of California at Irvine From andrews at stusoft.com Tue Jan 9 19:37:55 2001 From: andrews at stusoft.com (Andrew Stubbs) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:37:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Addon ? Message-ID: <003f01c07a6b$4b60ac50$fdfea8c0@localnet> Is anyone aware of a mailman addon that would give egroups type file exchange areas for each mailing list so that members of the list can upload a file instead of sending to everyone on the list. This would enable those that wanted the file to download it. I know I could do it manually and put a link on the list page, but then it would not be subject to the same security settings as the list. Andrew From dstcruz at southern.edu Tue Jan 9 22:04:00 2001 From: dstcruz at southern.edu (Daniel Santa Cruz) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:04:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated Lists Message-ID: One of my list administrators is trying to run a list in which he can moderate the messages being sent to the list. Well, that is not a problem, the question is, can he modify this messages? I've been trying to find a solution for him, so anything will be appreciated. Thanks a ton. Daniel Santa Cruz. From blarson at compu.net Tue Jan 9 22:36:17 2001 From: blarson at compu.net (Bill Larson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:36:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help Message-ID: <00ac01c07a84$33204b00$2223f8d8@compu.net> Version information mailman: 2.0 Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 Procmail: v3.13.1 webserver: Apache/1.3.12 I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 seconds Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 seconds Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 seconds This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not get the confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is recorded each time Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ [ipaddress] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Jan 9 23:01:40 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:01:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help Message-ID: <200101092159.NAA22588@utopia.west.sun.com> Well, let's see: the error message says: All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating domain', or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, or something like that? > Version information > mailman: 2.0 > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > Procmail: v3.13.1 > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > requires domain address') > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 seconds > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > requires domain address') > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > requires domain address') > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 seconds > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > requires domain address') > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 seconds > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not get the > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is recorded > each time > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ [ipaddress] > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Jan 9 23:02:13 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:02:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP error "All recipients refused" Message-ID: <200101092200.OAA22598@utopia.west.sun.com> > I've been a happy Mailman user for many months, with absolutely no > problems. I just rebuilt my server from scratch using RHL 7.0 (previous > installation was RHL 6.1). Everything else is back on the air, but I > can't seem to get Mailman going again. I rebuilt and reinstalled from the > current distribution, created a test list, and subscribed myself to it. > > Problem is, I can't get Mailman to send anything! > > ~mailman/logs/smtp is growing rapidly, with lines like - > > Jan 08 02:51:03 2001 (24659) All recipients refused: host not found > Jan 08 02:51:03 2001 (24659) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.067 seconds > > > When it says "host not found", how do I tell what host it was trying to > reach? Seems like that would help narrow it down to whether Mailman > is sending to the wrong place or sendmail isn't listening... How about the sendmail logs? From blarson at compu.net Tue Jan 9 23:13:07 2001 From: blarson at compu.net (Bill Larson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:13:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help References: <200101092159.NAA22588@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <00d601c07a89$589bfd20$2223f8d8@compu.net> You tell me what to check for and I will tell you what it says :) It is not however in the /etc/HOSTNAME or the /etc/sysconfig/network file ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Mick" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating domain', > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > or something like that? > > > > Version information > > mailman: 2.0 > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > requires domain address') > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 seconds > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > requires domain address') > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > requires domain address') > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 seconds > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > requires domain address') > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 seconds > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not get the > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is recorded > > each time > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ [ipaddress] > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rob at 2guyshosting.com Tue Jan 9 23:03:44 2001 From: rob at 2guyshosting.com (M. Robert Martin) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:03:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help In-Reply-To: <200101092159.NAA22588@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the domain if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The connecting machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? Rob Martin On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating domain', > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > or something like that? > > > > Version information > > mailman: 2.0 > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > requires domain address') > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 seconds > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > requires domain address') > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > requires domain address') > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 seconds > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > requires domain address') > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 seconds > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not get the > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is recorded > > each time > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ [ipaddress] > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From blarson at compu.net Tue Jan 9 23:22:50 2001 From: blarson at compu.net (Bill Larson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:22:50 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help References: Message-ID: <00f201c07a8a$b3ee7a80$2223f8d8@compu.net> Ok one issue here. This problem is occuring during the creation of the lists via the newlist command from the bin directory. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Robert Martin" To: "Dan Mick" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > > > I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the domain > if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is > supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The connecting > machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would > mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from > /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? > > Rob Martin > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating domain', > > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > > or something like that? > > > > > > > Version information > > > mailman: 2.0 > > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation > > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > requires domain address') > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 seconds > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > requires domain address') > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > requires domain address') > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 seconds > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > requires domain address') > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 seconds > > > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not get the > > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is recorded > > > each time > > > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ [ipaddress] > > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > From rob at 2guyshosting.com Tue Jan 9 23:18:33 2001 From: rob at 2guyshosting.com (M. Robert Martin) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:18:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help In-Reply-To: <00f201c07a8a$b3ee7a80$2223f8d8@compu.net> Message-ID: 1. i don't think that Mailman is doing the SMTP itself during the bin/newlist command. the notification email is just landing in mailman's queue if i understand it correctly. you'd have the same problem for all mailman mail. 2. that reminds me. can you send yourself email on the machine? 3. what is in /etc/HOSTNAME? 4. in mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py, what is "DEFAULT_HOST_NAME" set to? (is it right?) can't guarantee i'm going the right direction, but it's better than sitting around with nothing to check, right? ;) robm On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Bill Larson wrote: > Ok one issue here. This problem is occuring during the creation of the lists > via the newlist command from the bin directory. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Robert Martin" > To: "Dan Mick" > Cc: ; > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > > > > > > > > I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the domain > > if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is > > supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The connecting > > machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would > > mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from > > /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? > > > > Rob Martin > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > > > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > > > > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > > > > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > > > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating domain', > > > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > > > or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > Version information > > > > mailman: 2.0 > > > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation > > > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > requires domain address') > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 > seconds > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > requires domain address') > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 > seconds > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > requires domain address') > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 > seconds > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > requires domain address') > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 > seconds > > > > > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not > get the > > > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is > recorded > > > > each time > > > > > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ > [ipaddress] > > > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > From blarson at compu.net Tue Jan 9 23:36:25 2001 From: blarson at compu.net (Bill Larson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:36:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help References: Message-ID: <010b01c07a8c$99ba2fe0$2223f8d8@compu.net> [root at ns1 mailman]# nslookup ns1.compu.net Answer crypto-validated by server: Server: ns1.compu.net Address: 216.248.35.2 Answer crypto-validated by server: Name: ns1.compu.net Address: 216.248.35.2 [root at ns1 mailman]# cat /etc/HOSTNAME ns1.compu.net [root at ns1 mailman]# cat /etc/sysconfig/network NETWORKING=yes FORWARD_IPV4=false HOSTNAME=ns1.compu.net DOMAINNAME=compu.net GATEWAY=216.248.35.1 GATEWAYDEV=eth0 >From Defaults.py # Site-specific settings DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'ns1.compu.net' ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Robert Martin" To: "Bill Larson" Cc: "Dan Mick" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > > 1. i don't think that Mailman is doing the SMTP itself during the > bin/newlist command. the notification email is just landing in mailman's > queue if i understand it correctly. you'd have the same problem for all > mailman mail. > 2. that reminds me. can you send yourself email on the machine? > 3. what is in /etc/HOSTNAME? > 4. in mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py, what is > "DEFAULT_HOST_NAME" set to? (is it right?) > > can't guarantee i'm going the right direction, but it's better than > sitting around with nothing to check, right? ;) > > robm > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Bill Larson wrote: > > > Ok one issue here. This problem is occuring during the creation of the lists > > via the newlist command from the bin directory. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M. Robert Martin" > > To: "Dan Mick" > > Cc: ; > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the domain > > > if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is > > > supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The connecting > > > machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would > > > mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from > > > /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? > > > > > > Rob Martin > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > > > > > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > > > > > > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > > > > > > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > > > > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating domain', > > > > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > > > > or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version information > > > > > mailman: 2.0 > > > > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > > > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > > > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > > > > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation > > > > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 > > seconds > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 > > seconds > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 > > seconds > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 > > seconds > > > > > > > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not > > get the > > > > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is > > recorded > > > > > each time > > > > > > > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ > > [ipaddress] > > > > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > > > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > From dmelton at banzuke.com Wed Jan 10 00:37:46 2001 From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:37:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP error "All recipients refused" In-Reply-To: <200101092200.OAA22598@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: Many thanks to Nigel Metheringham, who pointed me in the right direction, and all the others who gave good suggestions! The sendmail logs were interesting by their silence on the matter. None of the outgoing Mailman traffic was even getting to sendmail. Mailman had SMTPHOST set to 'localhost', but localhost wasn't defined in /etc/hosts. Not sure why it wasn't there, but it wasn't. I added 'localhost 127.0.0.1' to /etc/hosts and, within a few seconds, the system coughed up a large furball of queued mail. All better now! Thanks again to everyone, Dave On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > I've been a happy Mailman user for many months, with absolutely no > > problems. I just rebuilt my server from scratch using RHL 7.0 (previous > > installation was RHL 6.1). Everything else is back on the air, but I > > can't seem to get Mailman going again. I rebuilt and reinstalled from the > > current distribution, created a test list, and subscribed myself to it. > > > > Problem is, I can't get Mailman to send anything! > > > > ~mailman/logs/smtp is growing rapidly, with lines like - > > > > Jan 08 02:51:03 2001 (24659) All recipients refused: host not found > > Jan 08 02:51:03 2001 (24659) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.067 seconds > > > > > > When it says "host not found", how do I tell what host it was trying to > > reach? Seems like that would help narrow it down to whether Mailman > > is sending to the wrong place or sendmail isn't listening... > > How about the sendmail logs? From rob at 2guyshosting.com Tue Jan 9 23:30:14 2001 From: rob at 2guyshosting.com (M. Robert Martin) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:30:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help In-Reply-To: <010b01c07a8c$99ba2fe0$2223f8d8@compu.net> Message-ID: looks complete from here. (what name server 'crypto-validates'? is there a new djbdns?) have you tried watching the mail process with ngrep, or telnetting into port 25 and entering valid commands? sorry, i seem to be reduced to the troubleshooting process rather than suggestions on where the problem is. perhaps someone else can help? rob martin On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Bill Larson wrote: > [root at ns1 mailman]# nslookup ns1.compu.net > Answer crypto-validated by server: > Server: ns1.compu.net > Address: 216.248.35.2 > > Answer crypto-validated by server: > Name: ns1.compu.net > Address: 216.248.35.2 > > [root at ns1 mailman]# cat /etc/HOSTNAME > ns1.compu.net > > [root at ns1 mailman]# cat /etc/sysconfig/network > NETWORKING=yes > FORWARD_IPV4=false > HOSTNAME=ns1.compu.net > DOMAINNAME=compu.net > GATEWAY=216.248.35.1 > GATEWAYDEV=eth0 > > >From Defaults.py > > # Site-specific settings > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'ns1.compu.net' > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Robert Martin" > To: "Bill Larson" > Cc: "Dan Mick" ; > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > > > > > > 1. i don't think that Mailman is doing the SMTP itself during the > > bin/newlist command. the notification email is just landing in mailman's > > queue if i understand it correctly. you'd have the same problem for all > > mailman mail. > > 2. that reminds me. can you send yourself email on the machine? > > 3. what is in /etc/HOSTNAME? > > 4. in mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py, what is > > "DEFAULT_HOST_NAME" set to? (is it right?) > > > > can't guarantee i'm going the right direction, but it's better than > > sitting around with nothing to check, right? ;) > > > > robm > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Bill Larson wrote: > > > > > Ok one issue here. This problem is occuring during the creation of the > lists > > > via the newlist command from the bin directory. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "M. Robert Martin" > > > To: "Dan Mick" > > > Cc: ; > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the > domain > > > > if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is > > > > supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The > connecting > > > > machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would > > > > mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? > > > > > > > > Rob Martin > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > > > > > > > > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > > > > > > > > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > > > > > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating > domain', > > > > > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > > > > > or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version information > > > > > > mailman: 2.0 > > > > > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > > > > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > > > > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > > > > > > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the > installation > > > > > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > helo > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 > > > seconds > > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > helo > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 > > > seconds > > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > helo > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 > > > seconds > > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > helo > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 > > > seconds > > > > > > > > > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does > not > > > get the > > > > > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is > > > recorded > > > > > > each time > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ > > > [ipaddress] > > > > > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > > > > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Jan 9 23:58:08 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:58:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help Message-ID: <200101092256.OAA25221@utopia.west.sun.com> It looks to me like the mail sent by Mailman would have to end up getting its HELO command from smtplib.py's _get_fqdn_hostname(); that uses gethostname() and then gethostbyaddr() to come up with a hostname. Perhaps something is wrong with your machine configuration such that gethostname/gethostbyaddr fail to come up with a fqdn. > > I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the domain > > if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is > > supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The connecting > > machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would > > mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from > > /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? > > > > Rob Martin > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > > > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > > > > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > > > > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > > > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating domain', > > > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > > > or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > Version information > > > > mailman: 2.0 > > > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation > > > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > requires domain address') > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 > seconds > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > requires domain address') > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 > seconds > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > requires domain address') > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 > seconds > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > requires domain address') > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 > seconds > > > > > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not > get the > > > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is > recorded > > > > each time > > > > > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ > [ipaddress] > > > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From blarson at compu.net Wed Jan 10 00:07:43 2001 From: blarson at compu.net (Bill Larson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:07:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help References: <200101092256.OAA25221@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <001c01c07a90$faf1be00$2223f8d8@compu.net> This is a 2+ year server. Nothing else has ever had a problem including sending mail. As for the crypto validated part i am running BIND 9.0.0. If you let me know how to check it I can verify that the _get_fqdn_hostname() is working properly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Mick" To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > It looks to me like the mail sent by Mailman would have to end up getting > its HELO command from smtplib.py's _get_fqdn_hostname(); that uses > gethostname() and then gethostbyaddr() to come up with a hostname. > Perhaps something is wrong with your machine configuration such > that gethostname/gethostbyaddr fail to come up with a fqdn. > > > > I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the domain > > > if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is > > > supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The connecting > > > machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would > > > mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from > > > /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? > > > > > > Rob Martin > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > > > > > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > > > > > > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > > > > > > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > > > > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating domain', > > > > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > > > > or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version information > > > > > mailman: 2.0 > > > > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > > > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > > > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > > > > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the installation > > > > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 > > seconds > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 > > seconds > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 > > seconds > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 > > seconds > > > > > > > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does not > > get the > > > > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is > > recorded > > > > > each time > > > > > > > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ > > [ipaddress] > > > > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > > > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 10 00:21:35 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:21:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help Message-ID: <200101092319.PAA26704@utopia.west.sun.com> Bill, I'm sorry, I'm not a "everything about your Unix box" consultant. I've given you some mailman-specific help. Good luck. > This is a 2+ year server. Nothing else has ever had a problem including > sending mail. As for the crypto validated part i am running BIND 9.0.0. If > you let me know how to check it I can verify that the _get_fqdn_hostname() > is working properly. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Mick" > To: ; ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > > > > It looks to me like the mail sent by Mailman would have to end up getting > > its HELO command from smtplib.py's _get_fqdn_hostname(); that uses > > gethostname() and then gethostbyaddr() to come up with a hostname. > > Perhaps something is wrong with your machine configuration such > > that gethostname/gethostbyaddr fail to come up with a fqdn. > > > > > > I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the > domain > > > > if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is > > > > supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The > connecting > > > > machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would > > > > mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? > > > > > > > > Rob Martin > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > > > > > > > > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > > > > > > > > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > > > > > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating > domain', > > > > > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > > > > > or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version information > > > > > > mailman: 2.0 > > > > > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > > > > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > > > > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > > > > > > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the > installation > > > > > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > helo > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 > > > seconds > > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > helo > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 > > > seconds > > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > helo > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 > > > seconds > > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > helo > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 > > > seconds > > > > > > > > > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does > not > > > get the > > > > > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is > > > recorded > > > > > > each time > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ > > > [ipaddress] > > > > > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > > > > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > From blarson at compu.net Wed Jan 10 00:43:01 2001 From: blarson at compu.net (Bill Larson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:43:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help References: <200101092319.PAA26704@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <001101c07a95$e7b098c0$2223f8d8@compu.net> It was a valiant attempt and I greatly appreciate it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Mick" To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > Bill, I'm sorry, I'm not a "everything about your Unix box" consultant. > I've given you some mailman-specific help. Good luck. > > > This is a 2+ year server. Nothing else has ever had a problem including > > sending mail. As for the crypto validated part i am running BIND 9.0.0. If > > you let me know how to check it I can verify that the _get_fqdn_hostname() > > is working properly. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Mick" > > To: ; ; > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] My second request for help > > > > > > > It looks to me like the mail sent by Mailman would have to end up getting > > > its HELO command from smtplib.py's _get_fqdn_hostname(); that uses > > > gethostname() and then gethostbyaddr() to come up with a hostname. > > > Perhaps something is wrong with your machine configuration such > > > that gethostname/gethostbyaddr fail to come up with a fqdn. > > > > > > > > I was wondering the same thing more or less. Would Mailman drop the > > domain > > > > > if the "Preferred Domain for this list" is blank? The HELO command is > > > > > supposed to identify the connecting machine as I recall. The > > connecting > > > > > machine is the SMTP portion of the MTA, right? Presumably, that would > > > > > mean that Sendmail doesn't know it's own name. Does that come from > > > > > /etc/HOSTNAME on RedHat? > > > > > > > > > > Rob Martin > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let's see: the error message says: > > > > > > > > > > > > All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 helo requires domain address') > > > > > > > > > > > > That seems to me to point directly to "no domain address" in the > > > > > > HELO command. Is it possible you haven't set your 'originating > > domain', > > > > > > or that some admin or subscriber address doesn't have a domain part, > > > > > > or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version information > > > > > > > mailman: 2.0 > > > > > > > Sendmail: 8.11.1/8.11.1 > > > > > > > Procmail: v3.13.1 > > > > > > > webserver: Apache/1.3.12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I more than likely missed a simple step somewhere in the > > installation > > > > > > > process however I am gettng the following errors in the logs/smtp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > > helo > > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > > Jan 08 14:49:14 2001 (22489) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.032 > > > > seconds > > > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > > helo > > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > > Jan 08 15:28:02 2001 (26219) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.033 > > > > seconds > > > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > > helo > > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > > Jan 08 16:07:59 2001 (28077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.094 > > > > seconds > > > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 > > helo > > > > > > > requires domain address') > > > > > > > Jan 08 16:18:15 2001 (28675) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.153 > > > > seconds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is after I run the bin/newlist command. The list owner does > > not > > > > get the > > > > > > > confirmation email and in the sendmail logs the following error is > > > > recorded > > > > > > > each time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan 8 HH:MM:SS hostname sendmail[PID]: NOQUEUE: IDENT:ident@ > > > > [ipaddress] > > > > > > > did not issue MAIL/EXPN/V > > > > > > > RFY/ETRN during connection to MTA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions or questions on a resolution to this problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > From steve.mcdonald at med.monash.edu.au Wed Jan 10 03:13:28 2001 From: steve.mcdonald at med.monash.edu.au (Steve McDonald) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:13:28 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] amending someone's email address Message-ID: Apologies if this is in the documentation somewhere - I have tried looking! Question: I'm the administrator for a number of lists and often receive a message from a list member alerting me to a change in their email address. Can I amend their email address for them or do they have to re-subscribe to the list using their new address? Many thanks in advance. Steve McDonald From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Wed Jan 10 03:18:55 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:18:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] amending someone's email address Message-ID: <200101100217.SAA04478@utopia.west.sun.com> > Apologies if this is in the documentation somewhere - I have tried looking! > > Question: > I'm the administrator for a number of lists and often receive a message from > a list member alerting me to a change in their email address. Can I amend > their email address for them or do they have to re-subscribe to the list > using their new address? Unsub/resub is the only answer I know of. Either of you can do it. From claw at kanga.nu Wed Jan 10 05:40:30 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:40:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated Lists In-Reply-To: Message from Daniel Santa Cruz of "Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:04:00 EST." References: Message-ID: <24304.979101630@kanga.nu> On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:04:00 -0500 (EST) Daniel Santa Cruz wrote: > One of my list administrators is trying to run a list in which he > can moderate the messages being sent to the list. Well, that is > not a problem, the question is, can he modify this messages? Currently, no. I've been desultorily poking at doing such, but have been distracted by other sundries such as work. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From bob at nleaudio.com Wed Jan 10 06:58:01 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff @ NLE) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:58:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives without the archives? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010106205226.02459390@pop.softhome.net> Message-ID: <3A5BF9E9.96F10BF3@nleaudio.com> Re-posting this one, as I didn't see anyone pick up on it. I've got a list in which I don't want even the private archives, but I do want all messages posted to get added to the mbox file (only), so that I -could- build up archives at a later date if needed. Is this directly or indirectly possible? If it takes mods, where would I look? Bob From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 10 07:40:46 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:40:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives without the archives? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010106205226.02459390@pop.softhome.net> <3A5BF9E9.96F10BF3@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <3A5C03EE.9DFE2E75@west.sun.com> "Bob Puff @ NLE" wrote: > > Re-posting this one, as I didn't see anyone pick up on it. > > I've got a list in which I don't want even the private archives, but I do > want all messages posted to get added to the mbox file (only), so that I > -could- build up archives at a later date if needed. Is this directly or > indirectly possible? If it takes mods, where would I look? Looks to me like you can set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX to 1 and get that effect exactly. See comments in Defaults.py. (If you set it, set it in mm_cfg.py, as always.) From PBoshoff at mweb.com Wed Jan 10 10:21:30 2001 From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:21:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help with wapper! Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE962@za14nt02.mweb.com> I am running a redhat server with exim as my mta - I get this message when sending mail to a list. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: bus-sol-jhb at camilla.mweb.co.za Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command: /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from za14nt02.mweb.co.za ([196.2.142.131] helo=za14nt02.mweb.com) by camilla.mweb.co.za with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #8) id 14GH7O-0005mk-00 for bus-sol-jhb at camilla.mweb.co.za; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:00:30 +0200 Received: by za14nt02.mweb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:15:09 +0200 Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE961 at za14nt02.mweb.com> From: Pieter Boshoff To: "'bus-sol-jhb at camilla.mweb.co.za'" Subject: test Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:14:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" test2 Pieter Boshoff Unix Admin Pieter Boshoff Unix Admin <<...OLE_Obj...>> +27 11 3407256 +27 083 6004095 From mdiehn at vicinity.com Wed Jan 10 14:12:04 2001 From: mdiehn at vicinity.com (Mike Diehn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:12:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] amending someone's email address In-Reply-To: ; from steve.mcdonald@med.monash.edu.au on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 01:13:28PM +1100 References: Message-ID: <20010110081204.A31121@tupelo.vicinity.com> * Steve McDonald (steve.mcdonald at med.monash.edu.au) [01 09, 2001 21:20]: > > Apologies if this is in the documentation somewhere - I have tried looking! > > Question: > I'm the administrator for a number of lists and often receive a message from > a list member alerting me to a change in their email address. Can I amend > their email address for them or do they have to re-subscribe to the list > using their new address? You can do it for them, but you'll be unsubscribing them and resubscribing them under their new email address. Remember, Mailman has no understanding of "people." It knows only email addresses. So, to mailman, mikediehn at domain.com is a completely different thing to michaeldiehn at domain.com. Mike From mdiehn at vicinity.com Wed Jan 10 14:15:31 2001 From: mdiehn at vicinity.com (Mike Diehn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help with wapper! In-Reply-To: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE962@za14nt02.mweb.com>; from PBoshoff@mweb.com on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:21:30AM +0200 References: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE962@za14nt02.mweb.com> Message-ID: <20010110081531.B31121@tupelo.vicinity.com> Are you certain that bus-sol-jhb at camilla.mweb.co.za is a valid email address? The machine camilla.mweb.co.za appears not to know about bus-sol-jhb. Mike * Pieter Boshoff (PBoshoff at mweb.com) [01 10, 2001 04:25]: > I am running a redhat server with exim as my mta - I get this message when > sending mail to a list. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > bus-sol-jhb at camilla.mweb.co.za > Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command: > /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ > > Return-path: > Received: from za14nt02.mweb.co.za ([196.2.142.131] helo=za14nt02.mweb.com) > by camilla.mweb.co.za with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #8) > id 14GH7O-0005mk-00 > for bus-sol-jhb at camilla.mweb.co.za; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:00:30 +0200 > Received: by za14nt02.mweb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > id ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:15:09 +0200 > Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE961 at za14nt02.mweb.com> > From: Pieter Boshoff > To: "'bus-sol-jhb at camilla.mweb.co.za'" > Subject: test > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:14:09 +0200 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > test2 > Pieter Boshoff > Unix Admin > > > Pieter Boshoff > Unix Admin > <<...OLE_Obj...>> > +27 11 3407256 > +27 083 6004095 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jerrya at jerrya.net Wed Jan 10 15:14:11 2001 From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:14:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive rebuild issue Message-ID: In trying to rebuild a list's archives, it appears that ~/bin/arch puts a lock on the list, and no mail goes through. Is this the correct behavior? (Mailman 2.0.1, Python 1.5.2) Thanks! -- Jerry Adlersfluegel From webpastor at sacredheartatlanta.org Wed Jan 10 16:51:38 2001 From: webpastor at sacredheartatlanta.org (Sacred Heart Webpastor) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:51:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent posting? Message-ID: <3A5C850A.22E9C7F9@sacredheartatlanta.org> I am working with two non-profit sites and have recently signed-up for Mailman (version 2.0beta6) lists through our service provider (hostway.com). We would like to set up both lists as announcement systems: i.e. only one or two administrators can post messages to it, subscribers flat-out cannot post at all (the administrator does not even get an approval request). However, I have not found an option to configure the lists in this way. Can this be done? Can you suggest any site or documentation where I could learn how to do this? .Dennis McCarthy -- "Webpastor" Website Maintenance webpastor at sacredheartatlanta.org Sacred Heart Catholic Church Archdiocese of Atlanta Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://www.sacredheartatlanta.org/ From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Wed Jan 10 18:18:25 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:48:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: wrapper: -password +confirmation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jan 7, 2001 at 22:21, Satya wrote: >I'm sure you're sick of hearing this already, but I'm attempting a wrapper >for mailman using procmail and perl (and MySQL, working on not *needing* >MySQL). It's me again. Isn't there a way to get procmail and mailman to play together nicely? procmail complains about ~mailman's home directory being too open. drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 1024 Jan 7 22:05 /home/mailman/ Making it g-w makes check_perms complain. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see All programmers are optimists. From Jennifer.Pendergast at xor.com Wed Jan 10 18:45:35 2001 From: Jennifer.Pendergast at xor.com (Jennifer Pendergast) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:45:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] XOR Research Studies Message-ID: <3A5C9FBF.B140EC75@xor.com> Greetings! I work for XOR Inc., an Internet managed services provider. We are currently looking to increase our database with local people in the Boulder/Denver area that have computer and Internet experience with all levels of expertise to participate in our research studies. As a participant, you would be asked to give comments and feedback and you will be paid for your valuable advice ? compensation varies between $50-$150, for only a 1-2 hour time commitment. To register as a participant for a future study, please visit http://userexperience.xor.com/ and complete the online registration form. All the information you provide will be kept strictly confidential, as we DO NOT sell, trade, or give out this information. Please feel free to share the URL with spouses, friends, and co-workers, as we love to see new faces!! If you should have questions about our company or our research, please visit our corporate web site at www.xor.com or call (720) 406-4303 or (720) 406-4194. Thank you for your help!!! User Experience Department XOR Inc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: more info.doc Type: application/msword Size: 25088 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010110/e49342ec/attachment.doc From mdiehn at vicinity.com Wed Jan 10 18:46:45 2001 From: mdiehn at vicinity.com (Mike Diehn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:46:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent posting? In-Reply-To: <3A5C850A.22E9C7F9@sacredheartatlanta.org>; from webpastor@sacredheartatlanta.org on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 10:51:38AM -0500 References: <3A5C850A.22E9C7F9@sacredheartatlanta.org> Message-ID: <20010110124645.D8806@tupelo.vicinity.com> * Sacred Heart Webpastor (webpastor at sacredheartatlanta.org) [01 10, 2001 10:55]: > > I am working with two non-profit sites and have recently signed-up for > Mailman (version 2.0beta6) lists through our service provider > (hostway.com). > > We would like to set up both lists as announcement systems: i.e. only > one or two administrators can post messages to it, subscribers flat-out > cannot post at all (the administrator does not even get an approval > request). However, I have not found an option to configure the lists in > this way. You might make this work. Read the details section of this "Privacy Options" page option: Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement. (See "Restrict ... to list members" for whether or not this is in addition to allowing posting by list members (Details) The option it references is the one above it: Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) (Details) Setting those appropriately will cause the list to hold all postings for admin approval except for those sent from the email addresses listed in the first option I gave. You might find some way of simply dumping messages held for approval instead of actually holding them for you. Something in the auto responder might also be useful. Cheers, Mike From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jan 10 20:34:07 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:34:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent posting? In-Reply-To: <20010110124645.D8806@tupelo.vicinity.com>; from mdiehn@vicinity.com on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:46:45PM -0500 References: <3A5C850A.22E9C7F9@sacredheartatlanta.org> <20010110124645.D8806@tupelo.vicinity.com> Message-ID: <20010110133407.D13700@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 12:46:45PM -0500, Mike Diehn wrote: > * Sacred Heart Webpastor (webpastor at sacredheartatlanta.org) [01 10, 2001 10:55]: > > We would like to set up both lists as announcement systems: i.e. only > > one or two administrators can post messages to it, subscribers flat-out > > cannot post at all (the administrator does not even get an approval ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > request). However, I have not found an option to configure the lists in ^^^^^^^ > > this way. > Setting those appropriately will cause the list to hold all > postings for admin approval *sigh* Why is it that every time the question, "How do I configure the list to reject all non-admin postings without making the admin manually reject them?" comes up, someone has to respond with, "Easy - just tell the list to hold non-admin posts for approval."? "Hold for approval" is not the same as "reject unconditionally without admin intervention". -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From - at andrian.com.ua Wed Jan 10 21:50:13 2001 From: - at andrian.com.ua (=?koi8-r?B?4c7E0snBziDi1cTBzsPP1w==?=) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:50:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] my e-mail adress Message-ID: <14131532434.20010110225013@andrian.com.ua> Sorry for my lame question, but why I can't subscribe to email adress, which begins with "-" (like - at andrian.com.ua) ? What does it mean "Your subscription is not allowed because the email address you gave is insecure" ? Other lists are not aginst my e-mail. -- Best regards, Andrian Budantsov. mailto:- at andrian.com.ua From claw at kanga.nu Wed Jan 10 23:13:39 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:13:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives without the archives? In-Reply-To: Message from "Bob Puff @ NLE" of "Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:58:01 EST." <3A5BF9E9.96F10BF3@nleaudio.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010106205226.02459390@pop.softhome.net> <3A5BF9E9.96F10BF3@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <31833.979164819@kanga.nu> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:58:01 -0500 Bob Puff @ NLE wrote: > Re-posting this one, as I didn't see anyone pick up on it. I've > got a list in which I don't want even the private archives, but I > do want all messages posted to get added to the mbox file (only), > so that I -could- build up archives at a later date if needed. Is > this directly or indirectly possible? If it takes mods, where > would I look? The simple route would be to use an external archiver which builds the mboxes as you wish (I do this pointing to a procmail recipe which builds MH folders). Another approach would be to use Mailman's archiving but to edit the archives mention out of the list HTML, and then set up Apache to dissallow access (404) to the directories the archives for that list are in. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From soros_gergely at nextra.hu Wed Jan 10 23:56:31 2001 From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:56:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub Message-ID: <022c01c07b58$b5e50ec0$2102a3d5@newbie> Thanks for this great piece of software, we are happy users of Mailman. If there is a wishlist for Mailman, I'd like to add two requests to it: Per-list subscribe confirm messages similar to the welcome message. By the way, it'd be nice to be able to edit the whole welcome message, not just a portion of it. Option to configure the list to allow passwordless unsubscription. We have some lists with users having problems unsubscribing and keeping a note of multiple passwords when they are subbed to several lists. They don't seem to understand the instructions no matter how clearly we try to word these. It's a constant pain for list admins to deal with each of these users personally. This is being an urgent issue, so maybe someone can show me the right directions for patching Mailman 2.0. We have a separate domain for the lists on a modified Redhat 6.2 system with Sendmail. My idea is creating an alias, e.g. listname-off at domain.com that will call a Python script to remove the email address specified in the From: header of the mail. The problem is that I'm completely new to Python and don't have the few days now to learn it. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Gergely Soros From techgrrl at beeze.com Thu Jan 11 01:41:20 2001 From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:41:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Locks Hanging Message-ID: <01b301c07b67$37c35510$0b00a8c0@home.beeze.com> I'm having a reoccuring problem with locks hanging on some of the lists I administer. Does anyone know specifically what causes the locks/processes to hang so we can attempt to avoid doing whatever it is?? -- Sarah From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Jan 11 03:03:19 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:03:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Locks Hanging Message-ID: <200101110201.SAA13445@utopia.west.sun.com> > I'm having a reoccuring problem with locks hanging on some of the lists I > administer. Does anyone know specifically what causes the locks/processes to > hang so we can attempt to avoid doing whatever it is?? Are the processes hung, when you look, or dead? Is there anything in logs/error? From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Jan 11 03:07:46 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:07:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub Message-ID: <200101110206.SAA14009@utopia.west.sun.com> > From: "Gergely Soros" > To: > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub > X-Beenthere: mailman-users at python.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 (101270) > List-Post: > List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users > List-Archive: > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:56:31 +0100 > > Thanks for this great piece of software, we are happy users of Mailman. > > If there is a wishlist for Mailman, I'd like to add two requests to it: > > Per-list subscribe confirm messages similar to the welcome message. > By the way, it'd be nice to be able to edit the whole welcome message, > not just a portion of it. 1) you can have this today with a patch of mine on Sourceforge. 2) it's almost-certainly coming in 2.1 with I18N support. > Option to configure the list to allow passwordless unsubscription. > My idea is creating an alias, e.g. listname-off at domain.com that will > call a Python script to remove the email address specified in the > From: header of the mail. The problem is that I'm completely new > to Python and don't have the few days now to learn it. You don't need a Python script; just take the email to listname-off and format up another email: To: '-request@' Subject: "unsubscribe
" or Subject: "unsubscribe
" That should do it. From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Thu Jan 11 03:12:56 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:42:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub In-Reply-To: <022c01c07b58$b5e50ec0$2102a3d5@newbie> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2001 at 23:56, Gergely Soros wrote: >Option to configure the list to allow passwordless unsubscription. *thunch*thunch*thunch* That's the sound of me banging my head on my keyboard. This is exactly the wrapper I'm working on, but procmail and mailman don't want to play nicely... -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see But I thought you did the backups! From MRlist at ActiveState.com Thu Jan 11 03:25:26 2001 From: MRlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:25:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return-Path Problem Message-ID: <20010110181722.4A68.MRLIST@activestate.com> Let's see we have mail list ABC at list.foo.com people normally post message to ABC at foo.com, after mailman delivered the message to subscribers,mailman will organize the mail header become like this: Return-Path: . . . From:XXX at XXX.com To:ABC at list.foo.com so , when some stupid mail client program reply such a email message, then ABC-admin at list.foo.com was taken as reply email address instead of ABC at list.foo.com. My question is can we change the way mailman to organize message somehow, then the email address ABC-admin won't get the email it should not get? From MRlist at ActiveState.com Thu Jan 11 03:27:24 2001 From: MRlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:27:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Am I the only one get this problem? member posted email was put into pending? Message-ID: <20010110182547.4A6A.MRLIST@activestate.com> Hi There, I got a problem here, I have couple member post only mailists, but I found there are some member posted emails are put into pending also with the information "Non-members are not allowed to post messages to this list.", so I am wondring how this happened, and if there is a solution? My system Qmail+Mailman2.0 Thanks, you guys! From jerrya at jerrya.net Thu Jan 11 03:28:58 2001 From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:28:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Locks Hanging In-Reply-To: <01b301c07b67$37c35510$0b00a8c0@home.beeze.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Sarah K. Miller wrote: > I'm having a reoccuring problem with locks hanging on some of the > lists I administer. Does anyone know specifically what causes the > locks/processes to hang so we can attempt to avoid doing whatever it > is?? I can't offer an answer, but I wanted to reply to say that I also had something happen the other day where my list got locked up. That is, there were lock files that appeared to be stuck which prevented access to the web pages and posting. -- Jerry Adlersfluegel From trevor at jpj.net Thu Jan 11 04:07:01 2001 From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:07:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Am I the only one get this problem? member posted email was put into pending? In-Reply-To: <20010110182547.4A6A.MRLIST@activestate.com> Message-ID: > I have couple member post only mailists, but I found there are some > member posted emails are put into pending also with the information > "Non-members are not allowed to post messages to this list.", so I am > wondring how this happened, Most likely, they are people who post from more than one address. Mailman only keeps track of the subscribers' e-mail addresses, not their names. > and if there is a solution? Have the members subscribe all the addresses from which they post. Tell them to set the nomail flag for the accounts which should not receive messages. -- Trevor Johnson http://jpj.net/~trevor/gpgkey.txt From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Jan 11 04:21:57 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:21:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return-Path Problem Message-ID: <200101110320.TAA17209@utopia.west.sun.com> > From: Eric Wang > To: mailman-users at python.org > X-Filtered-By: PerlMx makes it fast and easy. See http://www.ActiveState.com/Products/PerlMx/Header > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return-Path Problem > X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 (101270) > List-Post: > List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users > List-Archive: > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:25:26 -0800 > > Let's see we have mail list ABC at list.foo.com > > people normally post message to ABC at foo.com, after mailman delivered the > message to subscribers,mailman will organize the mail header become like > this: > Return-Path: > . > . > . > From:XXX at XXX.com > To:ABC at list.foo.com > > so , when some stupid mail client program reply such a email message, > then ABC-admin at list.foo.com was taken as reply email address instead of > ABC at list.foo.com. > > My question is can we change the way mailman to organize message > somehow, then the email address ABC-admin won't get the email it should > not get? 1) I'm almost certain Mailman doesn't set it; the MTAs somewhere along the path are. return-path doesn't appear in the mailman code in any capitalization (except one comment). 2) read http://cr.yp.to/immhf/envelope.html; according to djb, it *must* be set to ABC-admin; any other setting would be wrong. 3) order of headers can't matter to an email client; any such client is *horribly* broken. What email client are we talking about? From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG Thu Jan 11 04:36:25 2001 From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:36:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return-Path Problem In-Reply-To: <200101110320.TAA17209@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > 2) read http://cr.yp.to/immhf/envelope.html; according to djb, it > *must* be set to ABC-admin; any other setting would be wrong. I don't say this often, but he's absolutely right. The Return-Path *must* be set to the injector into this delivery stream, which is the list's administration address. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE rogerk at QueerNet.ORG PO Box 14309 San Francisco, CA 94114 "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!" -- Paul Rudnick From bob at nleaudio.com Thu Jan 11 04:58:45 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff @ NLE) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub References: <200101110206.SAA14009@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3A5D2F75.C1952A26@nleaudio.com> Dan, > You don't need a Python script; just take the email to listname-off > and format up another email: > > To: '-request@' > Subject: "unsubscribe
" or > Subject: "unsubscribe
" > > That should do it. Can you give the poor soul a little more example on how this email is to be "formatted up"? Bob From eichlan at yf-soft.com Thu Jan 11 05:26:48 2001 From: eichlan at yf-soft.com (Eichlan) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:26:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python stops working: hard link restrictions Message-ID: I found the info about my problem in the README files, finnally, and found an error message while logged in as mailman. I'm using securelinux and hardlinks are turned off, or some suchness. Good thing to know if it mysteriously dies, but one thing, how do I turn off the hard link restrictions? Thanks a lot, --Mike B. / Yellofish Software From marian.heddesheimer at t-online.de Thu Jan 11 09:43:02 2001 From: marian.heddesheimer at t-online.de (Marian Heddesheimer) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:43:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to allow posting withou approval? Message-ID: <3A5D7216.A6538671@t-online.de> my host is using mailman 2.0 and I set up a list where all people should be able to post. But every posting is held for approval even if I checked in privacy options: Must posts be approved by an administrator? : NO Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) : NO The Message is: As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: mylist at mydomain.com From: marian.heddesheimer at t-online.de Subject: test2 Reason: Message has implicit destination I suspect, there must be a problem with the list address, because of mentioning the "implicit destination" as reason. I have sent the posting to "mylist at mydomain.com" (mydomain.com is just an example). what am I doing wrong here? Marian -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:marian at heddesheimer.de programmer and book author http://www.heddesheimer.de heddesheimer online-training http://www.rent-a-tutor.com English language only ------------------------------------------------------------------- From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Thu Jan 11 11:06:09 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:06:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Return-Path Problem In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Mick of "Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:21:57 PST." <200101110320.TAA17209@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM said: > 1) I'm almost certain Mailman doesn't set it; the MTAs somewhere along > the path are. return-path doesn't appear in the mailman code in any > capitalization (except one comment). Return-Path: should be set by the delivering MTA on final delivery - it should not appear in a message in transit. Its basically a place to put the envelope-from address into although it may be munged in some way (ie source route back - can you remember UUCP). Eric Wang said:- > My question is can we change the way mailman to organize message > somehow, then the email address ABC-admin won't get the email it should > not get? That mail client is broken. Get it fixed or stop using it. Do not break other software to match its broken view of the world. The only way to "fix" this is to make the list address the envelope-from address - that means all the bounces go to the list as well. Do you *really want this??? Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM said: > 2) read http://cr.yp.to/immhf/envelope.html; according to djb, it > *must* be set to ABC-admin; any other setting would be wrong. > 3) order of headers can't matter to an email client; any such client > is *horribly* broken. > What email client are we talking about? Whole hearted agree there - and if we find what mail client it is, and it puts a signature line in the headers, we should probably prevent it sending to, subscribing or confirming a subscription to the list - it will make life so much better all round. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From soros_gergely at nextra.hu Thu Jan 11 11:26:49 2001 From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:26:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub References: <200101110206.SAA14009@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A5D2F75.C1952A26@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <008101c07bb9$091dfba0$a802a3d5@newbie> Dan, > > You don't need a Python script; just take the email to listname-off > > and format up another email: > > > > To: '-request@' > > Subject: "unsubscribe
" or > > Subject: "unsubscribe
" > > > > That should do it. > > Can you give the poor soul a little more example on how this email is to be > "formatted up"? Yes, please, is it somewhere in the direction of etc/mail/aliases listname-off: "|/bin/mail -s 'unsubscribe list-password ??' < /dev/null" ? Thanks Poor Soul From mmasciullo_esterno at bci.it Thu Jan 11 12:33:09 2001 From: mmasciullo_esterno at bci.it (Massimo Masciullo) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:33:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] other user's information in MailMan Message-ID: <3A5D99F4.867D2E47@bci.it> Is it possible to record some other user's information in MailMan during registration? I mean not only email. Does it exist any version that does it? Or is there anybody who changed MailMan that way? Thanks a lot. Massimo From bud at sistema.it Thu Jan 11 12:15:31 2001 From: bud at sistema.it (Bud P. Bruegger) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:15:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bi-lingual mailing list w/ automatic translation? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010111120509.023038c0@mail.sistema.it> Hello everyone, I'm currently running a bi-lingual mailing list (English and French) using mailman and was wondering whether anyone has experience/ideas on how one could go about automatic translation. Vaguely, I thought to run two lists, one for each language. Both lists would subscribe to each other, just that messages are translated in between by GPL Trans... (Not ideal since it wouldn't easily handle mixed language messges). Any ideas? many thanks --bud PS. Would you please cc your answer to bud at sistema.it since I'm not subscribed to the list. /----------------------------------------------------------------- | Bud P. Bruegger, Ph.D. | Sistema (www.sistema.it) | Via U. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010111/548057c0/attachment.html From dmelton at banzuke.com Thu Jan 11 15:51:15 2001 From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] from chemlabs@erols.com REMOVE ME In-Reply-To: <003501c07bd4$60452000$b4faa4d8@0017554356> Message-ID: With an email address like that, I'd suggest you start buying your "chemicals" from a different supplier. They're making you irritable! Seriously, just go to http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users and unsubscribe yourself. Relax, and have a good day, Dave On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, erm wrote: > i NEVER WANT TO GET ANYTHING FROM DICKEL AGAIN > I HAVE ASKED BEFORE AND NOW I GET 10-15 MAILS AT A TIME FROM YOU ALL THE SAME, ALL SAYING THE SAME THING > STOP > STOP > STOP SENDING ME MAIL TO ME From m.hubbard at ic.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 15:33:26 2001 From: m.hubbard at ic.ac.uk (Hubbard, Matt) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:33:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] something for the wish list? Message-ID: Hi, I'm evaluating mailing list software before upgrading an aging and distinctly unimpressive Majordomo system. Mailman looks like an ideal replacement for the existing service and will indeed be a significant improvement. There are some features that I haven't managed to locate in the current version of Mailman and don't appear to be in the wish list. So... here are my suggestions that I humbly ask you to consider (my copy of python in a nutshell is now on order). 1. Ability to disable certain features through the global configuration in a similar way to the "ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE" option. More specifically to be able to disallow the private rosters being visible to anyone. This probably comes under the "Allow the admin to disable option settings by users" wish list item, but I thought I'd mention this as desirable specific anyway. 2. As part of the "One account per user per site" and usage auditing wish list features, a mechanism to attempt to counter mass subscribes by "spider" software... perhaps merely an option to notify the site administrator when one user is subscribed to a certain proportion of the hosted lists. Then the administrator can personally investigate whether its legitimate usage or something trawling for email addresses. 3. Include a timestamp along with the originating IP address with the subscription confirmation messages. Cheers, Matt. From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jan 11 16:46:06 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:46:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] something for the wish list? In-Reply-To: ; from m.hubbard@ic.ac.uk on Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:33:26PM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20010111094606.B15437@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:33:26PM -0000, Hubbard, Matt wrote: > 1. Ability to disable certain features through the global configuration in a > similar way to the "ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE" option. More specifically to be > able to disallow the private rosters being visible to anyone. This probably > comes under the "Allow the admin to disable option settings by users" wish > list item, but I thought I'd mention this as desirable specific anyway. One of the per-list settings available on the web admin interface's "Privacy Options" page is "Who can view subscription list? Anyone / List members / List admin only". Is that what you're looking for? -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Thu Jan 11 16:54:22 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:54:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to allow posting withou approval? In-Reply-To: <3A5D7216.A6538671@t-online.de>; from marian.heddesheimer@t-online.de on Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:43:02AM +0100 References: <3A5D7216.A6538671@t-online.de> Message-ID: <20010111095422.C15437@sherohman.org> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:43:02AM +0100, Marian Heddesheimer wrote: > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > I suspect, there must be a problem with the list address, because of mentioning the > "implicit destination" as reason. I have sent the posting to "mylist at mydomain.com" > (mydomain.com is just an example). You suspect correctly. This error indicates that Mailman doesn't see any address it recognizes as referring to the list in either the To: or Cc: header. There are three ways to fix this (listed in order from most to least desirable, based on the criterion of not making it easier to spam the list): 1) Edcuate your users to send messages to the real list address. 2) On the "Privacy Options" page, add the address people are currently using under "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list." 3) On the "Privacy Options" page, turn off "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?" -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Thu Jan 11 17:37:02 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:37:02 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] something for the wish list? In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Sherohman of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:46:06 CST." <20010111094606.B15437@sherohman.org> Message-ID: esper at sherohman.org said: > One of the per-list settings available on the web admin interface's > "Privacy Options" page is "Who can view subscription list? Anyone / > List members / List admin only". Is that what you're looking for? I think actually a per installation override of this needs to be available. In the EU it is very likely that setting this to anything other than "List Admin Only" would put you in breach of data protection legislation. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From m.hubbard at ic.ac.uk Thu Jan 11 17:44:29 2001 From: m.hubbard at ic.ac.uk (Hubbard, Matt) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:44:29 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] something for the wish list? Message-ID: > > 1. Ability to disable certain features through the global configuration in a > > similar way to the "ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE" option. More specifically to be > > able to disallow the private rosters being visible to anyone. This probably > > comes under the "Allow the admin to disable option settings by users" wish > > list item, but I thought I'd mention this as desirable specific anyway. > > One of the per-list settings available on the web admin interface's "Privacy > Options" page is "Who can view subscription list? Anyone / List members / > List admin only". Is that what you're looking for? Dave, I saw that, and no, that's not what I'm after. In the "Default.py", the lines: | # Private_roster == 0: anyone can see, 1: members only, 2: admin only. | DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 0 Refers to the default setting for the option you mention, you are able to change the default setting for this by editing "mm_cfg.py". What I am suggesting to be a useful feature is for the site administrator to make a global policy so that "PRIVATE_ROSTER = 0" is not an available option for the list administrators. A specific example of a global policy enforcement regarding list behaviour. I want to prevent any list from ever having an "open" roster (or just the "list members"). I can currently change the default behaviour, but I couldn't stop a list administrator from changing it back. Cheers, Matt. From jtrigg at huiekin.org Thu Jan 11 18:02:28 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:02:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] something for the wish list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010111115942.01da36e0@mail.huiekin.org> At 11:44 AM 1/11/01, Hubbard, Matt wrote: >In the "Default.py", the lines: >| # Private_roster == 0: anyone can see, 1: members only, 2: admin only. >| DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 0 >Refers to the default setting for the option you mention, you are able to >change the default setting for this by editing "mm_cfg.py". > >What I am suggesting to be a useful feature is for the site administrator to >make a global policy so that "PRIVATE_ROSTER = 0" is not an available option >for the list administrators. Actually, what I think would be better than individual configuration by option is a global option "Do not allow a list looser security than global". So for example if the PRIVATE_ROSTER default was set to 1 (list members only), a list admin could set it to 2 (admin only) but not to 0 (public). This setting would also affect things like archive access, whether non-members can post to the list, etc. Jim Trigg From haroldp at sierraweb.com Thu Jan 11 18:30:36 2001 From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:30:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] broken links on list mgt page Message-ID: Hi, I have a really weird bug in one - and only one - of the lists I'm running. I can log into the mgr page at /mailman/admin/listname, but all of the links on that page are in the form: /mailman/listinfo/listname/admin/listname/members If I simply type in the correct URL of any of the inner pages, it requires me to login again, but it does let me in. However, all the links are again broken, including the forms, so it's not too useful. Any ideas? - H -- Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 From cht at ccil.org Thu Jan 11 20:06:59 2001 From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:06:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Am I the only one get this problem? member posted email was put into pending? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a members only list with some people who are subscribed from more than one address. One address is held for approval even though I have subscribed it several times. Does the statement below mean that a member can only have one address? Does the not confirming a post have anything to do with this problem. Del Thomas > > Most likely, they are people who post from more than one address. Mailman > only keeps track of the subscribers' e-mail addresses, not their names. > > > and if there is a solution? > > Have the members subscribe all the addresses from which they post. Tell > them to set the nomail flag for the accounts which should not receive > messages. > -- > Trevor Johnson > http://jpj.net/~trevor/gpgkey.txt > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jtrigg at huiekin.org Thu Jan 11 18:32:36 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:32:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to allow posting withou approval? In-Reply-To: <20010111095422.C15437@sherohman.org> References: <3A5D7216.A6538671@t-online.de> <3A5D7216.A6538671@t-online.de> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010111123049.01dcaec0@mail.huiekin.org> At 10:54 AM 1/11/01, Dave Sherohman wrote: >On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:43:02AM +0100, Marian Heddesheimer wrote: > > Reason: Message has implicit destination > > > > I suspect, there must be a problem with the list address, because of > mentioning the > > "implicit destination" as reason. I have sent the posting to > "mylist at mydomain.com" > > (mydomain.com is just an example). > >You suspect correctly. This error indicates that Mailman doesn't see any >address it recognizes as referring to the list in either the To: or Cc: >header. There are three ways to fix this (listed in order from most to least >desirable, based on the criterion of not making it easier to spam the list): > >1) Edcuate your users to send messages to the real list address. But I don't want it to be case-sensitive. I've had a situation where the list name is "list at domain.com", and the "public name of this list" is "List". If I send a message to "List at domain.com" it will be posted, but if I send it to "list at domain.com", it will give me the "implicit destination" error. I don't think that this is sensible behavior. This also sounds to me like what Marian was attempting to describe, although she might not have realized that the "public name" was not the same case as the address she sent to. Jim Trigg From trevor at jpj.net Thu Jan 11 18:45:52 2001 From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:45:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Am I the only one get this problem? member posted email was put into pending? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have a members only list with some people who are subscribed from > more than one address. One address is held for approval even though I > have subscribed it several times. I don't know what would cause that. If you forwarded one of the problem messages in its entirety (with permission of the subscriber, I'd hope), someone might see the trouble. > Does the statement below mean that a member can only have one address? No, just the contrary. What I meant was just that if, for instance, I have several e-mail addresses, Mailman won't "know" that they belong to Trevor Johnson. It only keeps track of e-mail addresses, not people. > Does the not confirming a post have anything to do with this problem. > > Most likely, they are people who post from more than one address. Mailman > > only keeps track of the subscribers' e-mail addresses, not their names. > > > > > and if there is a solution? > > > > Have the members subscribe all the addresses from which they post. Tell > > them to set the nomail flag for the accounts which should not receive > > messages. -- Trevor Johnson http://jpj.net/~trevor/gpgkey.txt From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Jan 11 22:20:05 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:20:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub References: <200101110206.SAA14009@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A5D2F75.C1952A26@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <3A5E2385.61DADE9D@west.sun.com> "Bob Puff @ NLE" wrote: > > Dan, > > > You don't need a Python script; just take the email to listname-off > > and format up another email: > > > > To: '-request@' > > Subject: "unsubscribe
" or > > Subject: "unsubscribe
" > > > > That should do it. > > Can you give the poor soul a little more example on how this email is to be > "formatted up"? > > Bob Sorry, I guess I stuttered or something. One can send email to unsubscribe. That email's format is documented in the help message text for every list. The email's format is: To: -request@ Subject: unsubscribe
So you need to create such an email and send it. The time at which you need to create such an email and send it is when an email is sent to listname-off (or whatever you create as the unsubscribe alias). From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Jan 11 22:21:04 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:21:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub References: <200101110206.SAA14009@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A5D2F75.C1952A26@nleaudio.com> <008101c07bb9$091dfba0$a802a3d5@newbie> Message-ID: <3A5E23C0.E2F4EF0F@west.sun.com> Gergely Soros wrote: > > Dan, > > > > You don't need a Python script; just take the email to listname-off > > > and format up another email: > > > > > > To: '-request@' > > > Subject: "unsubscribe
" or > > > Subject: "unsubscribe
" > > > > > > That should do it. > > > > Can you give the poor soul a little more example on how this email is to be > > "formatted up"? > > Yes, please, is it somewhere in the direction of > etc/mail/aliases > > listname-off: "|/bin/mail -s 'unsubscribe list-password ??' < /dev/null" > > ? Yes, but since you'll have to extract the address from the mail and use it in the subject where the ?? are, it's going to have to be a program. (At least with sendmail; maybe other MTAs let you write processing into your aliases; dunno.) From bob at nleaudio.com Thu Jan 11 22:34:18 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff @ NLE) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:34:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub References: <200101110206.SAA14009@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A5D2F75.C1952A26@nleaudio.com> <3A5E2385.61DADE9D@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3A5E26DA.301805FD@nleaudio.com> Hi Dan, Ok, now can you show us an example of a simple script to do this? I think the key here is retrieving the password from the database. The other thing I was thinking about is this: instead of Mailman mailing you back a "bd syntax" message when you only give it an unsubscribe command, how about it mailing you an email with the subject like "unsubscribe " - already built, so the user can simply reply to the message to confirm unsubscription. This gives the security of the verification, and the ease. It also looks a lot like the initial subscription confirmation, making that a bit more "logical". Bob From bob at nleaudio.com Thu Jan 11 22:38:44 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff @ NLE) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:38:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub References: <200101110206.SAA14009@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A5D2F75.C1952A26@nleaudio.com> <3A5E2385.61DADE9D@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3A5E27E4.36C75988@nleaudio.com> Oops, sorry, I forgot we were talking about using the site password. Ok, we still need to pass the parameter of the person's email address. His example looks close, what is missing? Bob > Yes, please, is it somewhere in the direction of > etc/mail/aliases > > listname-off: "|/bin/mail -s 'unsubscribe list-password ??' < /dev/null" > > ? From jpb at creol.ucf.edu Thu Jan 11 22:40:11 2001 From: jpb at creol.ucf.edu (Joe Block) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:40:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] more stuff for the wish list Message-ID: <3A5E283B.1AED56AD@creol.ucf.edu> It'd be nice if there was a command line chmod-like utility for users - there have been occasions where it would have been extremely nice to be able to do something like chsub +nomail +hide -digest listname email1 email2 ... emailN I've only got a few hundred users on my lists and it's already getting cumbersome to do these sorts of additions when I'm only adding 10 or 15 new grad students. Barring a command line option, it'd be nice to have a listbox on the membership page to mass-unsubscribe. And it'd be nice to have a checkbox list identical to the ones for each email listing so that we can simultaneously subscribe several users and preset them to a specific option set. I'd like to thank the developer team for making my life simpler - I only have small (<1000 member) lists, but mailman has still made administering them a lot easier. jpb -- Joe Block University of Central Florida School of Optics/CREOL Network/Systems Administrator Social graces are the packet headers of everyday life. From marc_news at valinux.com Thu Jan 11 22:53:01 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can HTML archiving be done asynchronously? Message-ID: <20010111135300.R10329@marc.merlins.org> I've recently disabled HTML archiving on sourceforge's mailman because after some tests I found that on big lists, it looked like qrunner has to wait while the list archive is updated after each post. It's not a huge deal until you have lists with many posts, and at that time, updating the HTML pages takes a long time. Mailman is still doing the text archiving though, which is fast. Every night, mailman runs ~mailman/cron/nightly_gzip Is there a way to tell pipermail to update its web archives asynchronously, from cron too? Thanks Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Jan 11 23:02:15 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:02:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-list confirm and passwordless unsub References: <200101110206.SAA14009@utopia.west.sun.com> <3A5D2F75.C1952A26@nleaudio.com> <3A5E2385.61DADE9D@west.sun.com> <3A5E27E4.36C75988@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <3A5E2D67.1229E657@west.sun.com> "Bob Puff @ NLE" wrote: > > Oops, sorry, I forgot we were talking about using the site password. Ok, we > still need to pass the parameter of the person's email address. His example > looks close, what is missing? As I've said, it needs to be a program. > > Bob > > > Yes, please, is it somewhere in the direction of > > etc/mail/aliases > > > > listname-off: "|/bin/mail -s 'unsubscribe list-password ??' < /dev/null" > > > > ? From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Jan 12 00:35:13 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:35:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] more stuff for the wish list Message-ID: <200101112333.PAA17032@utopia.west.sun.com> > It'd be nice if there was a command line chmod-like utility for users - > there have been occasions where it would have been extremely nice to be > able to do something like > > chsub +nomail +hide -digest listname email1 email2 ... emailN Yeah; I'd like that too. It would be a pretty simple withlist hack; I'll look into it. > Barring a command line option, it'd be nice to have a listbox on the > membership page to mass-unsubscribe. You know there *is* a command line options, right? bin/remove_members From bob at nleaudio.com Fri Jan 12 04:04:10 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff @ NLE) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:04:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic unsubscription Message-ID: <3A5E742A.F377D76B@nleaudio.com> Ok guys, here's my feeble attempt (that works!) to allow someone to unsubscribe by simply sending an email to a certain address. First, set up your aliases file with the additional entry: test-unsub: "|/home/mailman/test-unsub" Now, put this little script file in /home/mailman: #!/bin/bash # # Mailman auto unsubscription # sp="xxxx" #site password ladr="test-request at yourdomain.com" #list -request address # # read fl ; addr="`echo $fl | awk '{print $2}'`" ; echo "unsubscribe $sp $addr" | mail -s "unsubscribe $sp $addr" $ladr Modify the SP= and the LADR= lines as needed for your list. Save the file. Now CHMOD 755 the file. That's it! The only disadvantage so far is that because the mailer runs under the permissions from Mailman, the reply "you've been unsubscribed" message goes to your mailman address. If someone wants to elaborate on this, I'd suggest using sendmail, and making the "from:" address be the same as the original sender (what is extracted here). Have fun! Bob From jtrigg at huiekin.org Fri Jan 12 04:56:10 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:56:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bi-lingual mailing list w/ automatic translation? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010111120509.023038c0@mail.sistema.it> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010111225509.021f4ba0@mail.huiekin.org> At 06:15 AM 1/11/01, Bud P. Bruegger wrote: >I'm currently running a bi-lingual mailing list (English and French) using >mailman and was wondering whether anyone has experience/ideas on how one >could go about automatic translation. Vaguely, I thought to run two >lists, one for each language. Both lists would subscribe to each other, >just that messages are translated in between by GPL Trans... (Not ideal >since it wouldn't easily handle mixed language messges). Any ideas? Create an additional email account "list-trans". Subscribe it to both lists, and configure procmail such that any message received from list A is run through GPL Trans and sent to list B, and vice versa. Jim Trigg From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Fri Jan 12 07:35:57 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:05:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic unsubscription In-Reply-To: <3A5E742A.F377D76B@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2001 at 22:04, Bob Puff @ NLE wrote: >Ok guys, here's my feeble attempt (that works!) to allow someone to >unsubscribe by simply sending an email to a certain address. [etc] >That's it! The only disadvantage so far is that because the mailer runs >under the permissions from Mailman, the reply "you've been unsubscribed" >message goes to your mailman address. If someone wants to elaborate on >this, I'd suggest using sendmail, and making the "from:" address be the same >as the original sender (what is extracted here). That's it! Perfect! Instead of your unsub script, I'll call a Perl script that'll extract the from address and do SMTP... -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Press every key to continue. From dan at ssc.com Fri Jan 12 07:46:18 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:46:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic unsubscription In-Reply-To: ; from satyap@satya.virtualave.net on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 12:05:57PM +0530 References: <3A5E742A.F377D76B@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <20010111224618.B21657@ssc.com> On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 12:05:57PM +0530, Satya wrote: > On Jan 11, 2001 at 22:04, Bob Puff @ NLE wrote: > > >Ok guys, here's my feeble attempt (that works!) to allow someone to > >unsubscribe by simply sending an email to a certain address. > [etc] > > >That's it! The only disadvantage so far is that because the mailer runs > >under the permissions from Mailman, the reply "you've been unsubscribed" > >message goes to your mailman address. If someone wants to elaborate on > >this, I'd suggest using sendmail, and making the "from:" address be the same > >as the original sender (what is extracted here). > > That's it! Perfect! Instead of your unsub script, I'll call a Perl script > that'll extract the from address and do SMTP... Or check out "formail". That sort of thing is what formail is for. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Correspondent SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-7733 x123 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Fri Jan 12 08:31:41 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:01:41 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic unsubscription In-Reply-To: <20010111224618.B21657@ssc.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2001 at 22:46, Dan Wilder wrote: >On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 12:05:57PM +0530, Satya wrote: >> That's it! Perfect! Instead of your unsub script, I'll call a Perl script >> that'll extract the from address and do SMTP... > >Or check out "formail". Yessssss.... procmail|formail|perl|sendmail... That'll work best. Perl is in there to futz around with data(bases|files) looking for confirm codes, sending confirmation emails, etc. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Coffee not found: user halted From p.riding at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk Fri Jan 12 11:24:15 2001 From: p.riding at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk (Phil Riding) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:24:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: amending someone's email address In-Reply-To: <20010110021402.B5233EDF6@mail.python.org> Message-ID: on 10/1/01 3:14 am, Steve McDonald wrote: > I'm the administrator for a number of lists and often receive a message from > a list member alerting me to a change in their email address. Can I amend > their email address for them or do they have to re-subscribe to the list > using their new address? As far as I know, you can't amend the address as such - you need to unsubscribe the 'old' address and then resubscribe them using the new address (or you could tell them to do the same using their subscription page). Regards Phil Riding From sthillay at fr.uu.net Fri Jan 12 12:57:59 2001 From: sthillay at fr.uu.net (Stephane Thillay) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:57:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin authentication failed 'cause of cookie Message-ID: <14942.61767.445419.464853@pc4.clemenceau2.iway.fr> Hi, I'm working on a fresh install with Mailman 2.0.1, Python 2.0 and Apache 1.3.14 on a Solaris 2.6 box. I can't reach the administrative web page for my lists. Each time I enter the passwd (in myhost/mailman/admin/mylist) I receive a "Authentication failed" message followed by the password form. I tried to compare with a 'magic ports' installation on a FreeBSD 4.2 box, This one works fine, Then I discoverd that the Solaris box doesn't send the cookie named 'mylist:admin'. Whatever password I use (list or site), access is blocked. In the mailing list archive, I found a message talking about an update of Python from 1.5.5 to 2.0 that avoid proper authentication. (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-January/008812.html) So I tried Python 1.6 and 1.5.2 without any success. Any ideas ? STh From yd-chris at yanmardirect.com Fri Jan 12 14:26:19 2001 From: yd-chris at yanmardirect.com (Christopher VanOosterhout) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:26:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] amending (you can do this) someone's email address In-Reply-To: References: <20010110021402.B5233EDF6@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010112082439.02a7d1b0@www.yanmardirect.com> In fact, Mailman does include a function to do this. You can use the command line clone_member command and not only change for a specific list but for all lists hosted by a particular Mailman program. Chris At 10:24 AM 1/12/2001 +0000, Phil Riding wrote: >on 10/1/01 3:14 am, Steve McDonald wrote: > > > I'm the administrator for a number of lists and often receive a message > from > > a list member alerting me to a change in their email address. Can I amend > > their email address for them or do they have to re-subscribe to the list > > using their new address? > >As far as I know, you can't amend the address as such - you need to >unsubscribe the 'old' address and then resubscribe them using the new >address (or you could tell them to do the same using their subscription >page). > > >Regards > >Phil Riding > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010112/60b8175f/attachment.htm From manolism at nicomedia.math.upatras.gr Fri Jan 12 14:52:06 2001 From: manolism at nicomedia.math.upatras.gr (manolism at nicomedia.math.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:52:06 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime encoding ? Message-ID: Is there a way to have binary attachments not encoded in the list archives? (a link to the file would be easier for people browsing through the archives) From jpb at creol.ucf.edu Fri Jan 12 17:01:23 2001 From: jpb at creol.ucf.edu (Joe Block) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] still another thing, now that I'm thinking of wish list stuff References: <20010110021402.B5233EDF6@mail.python.org> <5.0.2.1.2.20010112082439.02a7d1b0@www.yanmardirect.com> Message-ID: <3A5F2A52.7B0383FF@creol.ucf.edu> Christopher VanOosterhout wrote: > > In fact, Mailman does include a function to do this. You can use the > command line clone_member command and not only change for a specific > list but for all lists hosted by a particular Mailman program. I can do that as the site admin, but individual listadmins can't. And one more thing - it'd be nice if there was a moderator-only status - I've got lists where I'd like to have someone be able to approve postings but not make any changes to the list configuration. jpb -- Joe Block University of Central Florida School of Optics/CREOL Network/Systems Administrator Social graces are the packet headers of everyday life. From atkisson at lsit.ucsb.edu Fri Jan 12 19:13:10 2001 From: atkisson at lsit.ucsb.edu (Brian J. Atkisson) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:13:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing articles from mailman archive Message-ID: I hoping someone can help here... I need to purge last year's articles from a mailman list. I already tried: rm -rf $prefix/archives/private/listname $prefix/bin/arch listname However, this didn't work. When I ran the arch command, it simply rebuilt the entire archive. I would be grateful for any suggestions! Thanks, Brian J. Atkisson Systems Administrator College of Letters & Science University of California, Santa Barbara atkisson at lsit.ucsb.edu From jerrya at jerrya.net Fri Jan 12 20:13:32 2001 From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:13:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing articles from mailman archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Brian J. Atkisson wrote: > I hoping someone can help here... I need to purge last year's articles from > a mailman list. I already tried: > > rm -rf $prefix/archives/private/listname > $prefix/bin/arch listname > > However, this didn't work. When I ran the arch command, it simply rebuilt > the entire archive. I would be grateful for any suggestions! Before you run arch, you have to edit your listname.mbox file to remove last year's articles. -- Jerry Adlersfluegel From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Fri Jan 12 22:21:10 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:21:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] amending (you can do this) someone's email address References: <20010110021402.B5233EDF6@mail.python.org> <5.0.2.1.2.20010112082439.02a7d1b0@www.yanmardirect.com> Message-ID: <3A5F7546.5272752D@west.sun.com> Well, sorta. clone_member means you end up with user 'b' who has the same attributes as user 'a', but it doesn't get rid of user 'a'. clone_member followed by a remove_members might be pretty painless, though; nice find. Christopher VanOosterhout wrote: > > In fact, Mailman does include a function to do this. You can use the command line clone_member command and not only > change for a specific list but for all lists hosted by a particular Mailman program. > > Chris > > At 10:24 AM 1/12/2001 +0000, Phil Riding wrote: > > > on 10/1/01 3:14 am, Steve McDonald wrote: > > > > > I'm the administrator for a number of lists and often receive a message from > > > a list member alerting me to a change in their email address. Can I amend > > > their email address for them or do they have to re-subscribe to the list > > > using their new address? > > > > As far as I know, you can't amend the address as such - you need to > > unsubscribe the 'old' address and then resubscribe them using the new > > address (or you could tell them to do the same using their subscription > > page). > > > > > > Regards > > > > Phil Riding > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From bob at nleaudio.com Fri Jan 12 23:54:25 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:54:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic unsubscription References: Message-ID: <3A5F8B21.A9031FBE@nleaudio.com> Please keep me posted on your success with the perl! If I knew more about Perl I would have tried it. Still learning this script stuff! Bob Satya wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2001 at 22:04, Bob Puff @ NLE wrote: > > >Ok guys, here's my feeble attempt (that works!) to allow someone to > >unsubscribe by simply sending an email to a certain address. > [etc] > > >That's it! The only disadvantage so far is that because the mailer runs > >under the permissions from Mailman, the reply "you've been unsubscribed" > >message goes to your mailman address. If someone wants to elaborate on > >this, I'd suggest using sendmail, and making the "from:" address be the same > >as the original sender (what is extracted here). > > That's it! Perfect! Instead of your unsub script, I'll call a Perl script > that'll extract the from address and do SMTP... > > -- > Satya. > US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see > Press every key to continue. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From soros_gergely at nextra.hu Sat Jan 13 01:08:38 2001 From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:08:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic unsubscription References: <3A5E742A.F377D76B@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <050a01c07cf5$02c26560$9602a3d5@newbie> You're a god, Bob! I've modified the scriptlet so you can pass the name of the list, the aliases line should look like: listname-unsub: "|/home/mailman/test-unsub listname" and the line changed in the script: ladr="$1-request at yourdomain.com" #list -request address > That's it! The only disadvantage so far is that because the mailer runs > under the permissions from Mailman, the reply "you've been unsubscribed" > message goes to your mailman address. If someone wants to elaborate on > this, I'd suggest using sendmail, and making the "from:" address be the same > as the original sender (what is extracted here). The sitepassword would then be mailed to the member, wouldn't it? Thanks for your help. Gergely Soros From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Sat Jan 13 06:22:43 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:52:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? Message-ID: How do I get the address from which the mail was sent, if I want to reply with a confirmation request? Is it acceptable to parse the From: header for the following Perl regexp: .*(<|\w)\@(>|\w) And the resulting match would be the address to which I can reply? -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see My other computer is a HAL 9000. From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Sat Jan 13 06:47:23 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:47:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? Message-ID: <200101130545.VAA07201@utopia.west.sun.com> It's almost always more complicated than you think. See formail, for instance, or the rfc822 stuff in Python/Mailman. I think your algorithm would be too simple. > How do I get the address from which the mail was sent, if I want to reply > with a confirmation request? Is it acceptable to parse the From: header > for the following Perl regexp: > > .*(<|\w)\@(>|\w) > > And the resulting match would be the address to which I can reply? From mlednor at tower.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 12 23:26:31 2001 From: mlednor at tower.demon.co.uk (Mark Lednor) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:26:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] amending someone's email address References: Message-ID: <3A5F8497.D9B52216@tower.demon.co.uk> Steve McDonald wrote: > > I'm the administrator for a number of lists and often receive a message from > a list member alerting me to a change in their email address. Can I amend > their email address for them or do they have to re-subscribe to the list > using their new address? If you have access to the mailman account on the box then you can use clone_member to copy the member's profile to the new address, and delete the old address, in one operation. Regards, Mark. -- WhoAmI: Mark Lednor (aka mlednor at cix) Disclaimer: Work : mark.lednor at controls.eurotherm.co.uk My Views ... Email : mark at lednor.com or mark at lednor.org My Fault! Demon : mlednor at tower.demon.co.uk & http://www.tower.demon.co.uk/ From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Sat Jan 13 17:03:57 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:33:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: <200101130545.VAA07201@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2001 at 21:47, Dan Mick wrote: >It's almost always more complicated than you think. See >formail, for instance, or the rfc822 stuff in Python/Mailman. Com-pli-cated. I'm in no mood to make sense of RFC 822 right now, and Python still eludes me. If anyone wants, it's a single function that needs modification. After I release the program, someone can rip out my regexp and install proper code. Here's the one I'm going to use, though: $pa_addr=~s/(.*)(<|\s)(.*?\@.*?)(>|\s)(.*)/$3/; -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Reality is for people who can't handle Star Trek. From griffin at Mail.Whidbey.Net Sat Jan 13 18:29:28 2001 From: griffin at Mail.Whidbey.Net (John G. Lussmyer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:29:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan installation web page problems? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010113092849.01ffdcb8@Mail.Whidbey.Net> I was just reading up on Mailman at your web site, and found the installation page seems to be missing most of it's content. http://www.list.org/install-start.html -- John G. Lussmyer mailto:Griffin at Whidbey.Net Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com From claw at kanga.nu Sat Jan 13 18:34:39 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:34:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: Message from Satya of "Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:33:57 +0530." References: Message-ID: <7496.979407279@kanga.nu> On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:33:57 +0530 (IST) Satya wrote: > Com-pli-cated. I'm in no mood to make sense of RFC 822 right now, > and Python still eludes me. > $pa_addr=~s/(.*)(<|\s)(.*?\@.*?)(>|\s)(.*)/$3/; Which is broken, and yes, I'll let you read the RFC to find out why. If you want to do it right, with low effort, make the call-out to formail. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Sat Jan 13 18:41:23 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:11:23 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: <7496.979407279@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On Jan 13, 2001 at 09:34, J C Lawrence wrote: [re a regexp I posted, and am to embarassed to quote] >Which is broken, and yes, I'll let you read the RFC to find out >why. If you want to do it right, with low effort, make the call-out >to formail. Yes, I should make the effort to do it right. I just upgraded mailman to the latest, and instead of futzing with Perl and trying to circumvent the mail system security, I'll hack mailman directly. Gotta learn Python... -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see It ALWAYS goes wrong, especially if it's mission critical! From claw at kanga.nu Sat Jan 13 19:27:00 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:27:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: Message from Satya of "Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:11:23 +0530." References: Message-ID: <11513.979410420@kanga.nu> On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:11:23 +0530 (IST) Satya wrote: > Gotta learn Python... I recommend the O'Reilly books. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sat Jan 13 19:31:20 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:31:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: <7496.979407279@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On 1/13/01 9:34 AM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: > Which is broken, and yes, I'll let you read the RFC to find out > why. Or you can look at Mail::Address in the perl CPAN libraries, which does it properly, and which will give you an idea why this regex is way too simplistic -- and wrong. -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome [ = = ] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message... From James.D.Williams at noaa.gov Sat Jan 13 19:49:29 2001 From: James.D.Williams at noaa.gov (James D Williams) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems setting up Web interface for mm 2.0.1 Message-ID: <634c568e.568e634c@noaa.gov> I'm using python 2.0 and gcc 2.95.2. mailman 2.0.1 seemed to configure and install OK. The 'check' program indicated no problems. The SMTP portion seems to work OK. QUESTION: How does one set up the Web interface to mailman??? I followed all directions in the INSTALL file, but how does the mailman URL get activated???? Nothing in the documentation indicates this. After running 'newlist' to create a list, I received (via email) instructions about going to mailman/admin/ and mailman/listinfo/. HOWEVER, neither of these directories/files was created. What gives??? Incidentally, I tried running 'newlist' as mailman and as root --- made no difference: these directories/files were never created. I think for those of us first-time installers, the documentation could be beefed up a bit to include more information about how the web interfaces get built (and WHERE the html files get placed). Or is there a bug here? Thanks for any assistance. --- Jim Williams NOAA/National Weather Service From jwblist at olympus.net Sun Jan 14 04:03:48 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:03:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:31 -0800 1/13/01, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: >> Which is broken, and yes, I'll let you read the RFC to find out >> why. > >Or you can look at Mail::Address in the perl CPAN libraries, which does it >properly, and which will give you an idea why this regex is way too >simplistic -- and wrong. Or one can look at Mastering Regular Expressions page 316 which contains, in highly compressed micro type, a 6,598 byte (he says) regular expression for matching email addresses. (The previous several pages develop the RE.) Jeffrey E. F. Friedl O'Reilly (of course)--I have the first edition, January, 1997. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sun Jan 14 07:49:08 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:49:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/13/01 7:03 PM, "John W Baxter" wrote: > Or one can look at Mastering Regular Expressions page 316 which contains, > in highly compressed micro type, a 6,598 byte (he says) regular expression > for matching email addresses. Thanx. I remembered that, went looking for it, and couldn't remember which book it was in... -- Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome [ = = ] Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you. Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. From johnblock at storeshop.com Sun Jan 14 15:27:17 2001 From: johnblock at storeshop.com (John Block) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:27:17 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Want to install mailman on my server? Please? Message-ID: Hi all, I've been trying and failed, can anyone please do it for me? It's apache running on linux. Thanks, John From rick at niof.net Sun Jan 14 18:37:41 2001 From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:37:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie feature request Message-ID: <20010114123741.C5599@tc.niof.net> I've been bitten again. I normally run junkbuster so cookies are turned off. Can mailman check for this situation and alert that cookies are not functioning instead of just asking again for the name/password with no indication of why? -- "The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights." -- Alan Greenspan Rick Pasotto email: rickp at telocity.com From ranger at befunk.com Sun Jan 14 18:49:43 2001 From: ranger at befunk.com (Benjamin Reed) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:49:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No such list mailman Message-ID: <026001c07e52$6053da20$0201a8c0@bennet> I'm getting the weirdest thing I've ever seen, somewhere in upgrading apache and mailman (knew I shouldn't have done both at once), my CGIs just stopped working right. If you go to http://www.djiab.org/mailman/listinfo -- you'll see that even with no input, it's trying to find a list name "mailman", but I'm not sure where it's getting that value. I have nothing related to mailman in my apache conf except for the ScriptAlias /mailman and Alias /pipermail entries, and the only other thing I could think of that might affect it is mod_rewrite, but my rewrite logs show mailman requests passing through. Any ideas what's going on here? I can't find anything in the list archives, but then, it appears your archives aren't searchable, so I could only search on subject line per-month, so I may have missed something. TIA, Ben -- Ben Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick (ranger at befunk.com) http://defiance.dyndns.org/ / http://radio.scenespot.org/ A preposition is something one should never end a sentence with. Now playing on Defiance Radio: Gentle Death by Excessive Force From davek at mail.commercedata.com Sun Jan 14 19:30:37 2001 From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:30:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems setting up Web interface for mm 2.0.1 In-Reply-To: <634c568e.568e634c@noaa.gov> from "James D Williams" at Jan 13, 2001 01:49:29 PM Message-ID: <200101141830.LAA24971@mail.commercedata.com> > > QUESTION: How does one set up the Web interface to mailman??? These are scripts, Jim. If you run them through Apache, the url /mailman/listinfo/ runs a script called listinfo in the cgi-bin directory, with the argument . In Apache, you need a line in your httpd.conf file that sets a scriptalias to that cgi-bin directory, essentially like so: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman.cgi/archives/public/ These two directives are in fact in the installation instructions if you follow them to the letter. After you make these entries, you need to send Apache a SIGHUP (kill - SIGHUP httpd's pid running as root) or on newer Apache installations, "/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl restart". That tells it to reread its configuration files. Good luck! Dave Klingler From jwblist at olympus.net Sun Jan 14 19:34:26 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:34:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No such list mailman In-Reply-To: <026001c07e52$6053da20$0201a8c0@bennet> References: <026001c07e52$6053da20$0201a8c0@bennet> Message-ID: At 12:49 -0500 1/14/01, Benjamin Reed wrote: >I'm getting the weirdest thing I've ever seen, somewhere in upgrading apache >and mailman (knew I shouldn't have done both at once), my CGIs just stopped >working right. > >If you go to http://www.djiab.org/mailman/listinfo -- you'll see that even >with no input, it's trying to find a list name "mailman", but I'm not sure >where it's getting that value. > >I have nothing related to mailman in my apache conf except for the >ScriptAlias /mailman and Alias /pipermail entries, and the only other thing >I could think of that might affect it is mod_rewrite, but my rewrite logs >show mailman requests passing through. Should be ScriptAlias /mailman/ ... and Alias /pipermail/ ... I believe. (That's what works here.) (Perhaps you just left the trailing / off in your message, in which case the problem is something else.) --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From ranger at befunk.com Sun Jan 14 19:46:00 2001 From: ranger at befunk.com (Benjamin Reed) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:46:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No such list mailman References: <026001c07e52$6053da20$0201a8c0@bennet> Message-ID: <033501c07e5a$3d11b160$0201a8c0@bennet> > Should be > ScriptAlias /mailman/ ... > and > Alias /pipermail/ ... > I believe. (That's what works here.) > > (Perhaps you just left the trailing / off in your message, in which case > the problem is something else.) Sorry, I have the full ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ and such, I was just summarizing for brevity. I guess in the long run I failed. ;) Somehow, even when called with "no arguments", so to say, by going to http://www.djiab.org/mailman/listinfo, the script is somehow deciding to look for the "mailman" list. I'm not familiar with python enough to trace back how it's parsing out the HTTP paths and deciding it's arguments (/mailman/listinfo/djiab, for example), but it's almost acting like it's either misinterpreting the /mailman/ bit, or apache's turning it into a local filename first so it's ending up as /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo and it's parsing out wrong, or something. I'm not sure what to think. -- Ben Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick (ranger at befunk.com) http://defiance.dyndns.org/ / http://radio.scenespot.org/ A preposition is something one should never end a sentence with. Now playing on Defiance Radio: Cafe Europa by Deep Forest From Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE Mon Jan 15 09:37:32 2001 From: Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE (Florian Weimer) Date: 15 Jan 2001 09:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John W Baxter writes: > Or one can look at Mastering Regular Expressions page 316 which contains, > in highly compressed micro type, a 6,598 byte (he says) regular expression > for matching email addresses. Something has to be wrong. The mail address syntax described in RFC 822 in is definitely not regular, that's why a regular expression matching mail addresses does not exist. From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Mon Jan 15 10:50:16 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:50:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I get the from address? In-Reply-To: Message from John W Baxter of "Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:03:48 PST." Message-ID: jwblist at olympus.net said: > Or one can look at Mastering Regular Expressions page 316 which > contains, in highly compressed micro type, a 6,598 byte (he says) > regular expression for matching email addresses. (The previous > several pages develop the RE.) Jeffrey E. F. Friedl O'Reilly (of > course)--I have the first edition, January, 1997. Or those that can't type that much RE correctly (which certainly includes me), see http://public.yahoo.com/~jfriedl/regex/email-opt.pl http://public.yahoo.com/~jfriedl/regex/email-unopt.pl The errata are also on that site http://public.yahoo.com/~jfriedl/regex/ Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From maccran at hotmail.com Mon Jan 15 13:35:51 2001 From: maccran at hotmail.com (wisan watcharinporn) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:35:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have Problem Message-ID: Hello I have problem When I try to open http://127.0.0.1/mailman/listinfo this massage it come on " Mailman CGI error!!! The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server. The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 49. (Reconfigure to take 49?) " what i should do ? I install on Linux REDHAT (7.0) mailman download from gnu and follow instrution in INSTALL file when use ./configure i see it correct GID and UID of mailman user and mailman group and check_perms it say No problems found and another step i follow instrution in INSTALL file THANK YOU PIPA _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From moshez at zadka.site.co.il Tue Jan 16 02:04:40 2001 From: moshez at zadka.site.co.il (Moshe Zadka) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:04:40 +0200 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie feature request In-Reply-To: <20010114123741.C5599@tc.niof.net> References: <20010114123741.C5599@tc.niof.net> Message-ID: <20010116010440.F2B8AA828@darjeeling.zadka.site.co.il> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:37:41 -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote: > I've been bitten again. > > I normally run junkbuster so cookies are turned off. Can mailman check > for this situation and alert that cookies are not functioning instead of > just asking again for the name/password with no indication of why? How would mailman know? All it sees is you (someone it has never authenticated, by lack of cookies) trying to access an administrative page. -- Moshe Zadka This is a signature anti-virus. Please stop the spread of signature viruses! From rick at niof.net Mon Jan 15 18:07:29 2001 From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:07:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie feature request In-Reply-To: <20010116010440.F2B8AA828@darjeeling.zadka.site.co.il>; from moshez@zadka.site.co.il on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:04:40AM +0200 References: <20010114123741.C5599@tc.niof.net> <20010116010440.F2B8AA828@darjeeling.zadka.site.co.il> Message-ID: <20010115120729.K5599@tc.niof.net> On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:04:40AM +0200, Moshe Zadka wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:37:41 -0500, Rick Pasotto > wrote: > > I've been bitten again. > > > > I normally run junkbuster so cookies are turned off. Can mailman > > check for this situation and alert that cookies are not functioning > > instead of just asking again for the name/password with no > > indication of why? > > How would mailman know? All it sees is you (someone it has never > authenticated, by lack of cookies) trying to access an administrative > page. Many sites tell me 'you do not have cookies enabled.' If you set a cookie and then can't read it back it's clear that cookies are not enabled. -- "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization." -- Mikhail Gorbachev Rick Pasotto email: rickp at telocity.com From esper at sherohman.org Mon Jan 15 18:15:45 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:15:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie feature request In-Reply-To: <20010116010440.F2B8AA828@darjeeling.zadka.site.co.il>; from moshez@zadka.site.co.il on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:04:40AM +0200 References: <20010114123741.C5599@tc.niof.net> <20010116010440.F2B8AA828@darjeeling.zadka.site.co.il> Message-ID: <20010115111545.A3970@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:04:40AM +0200, Moshe Zadka wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:37:41 -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote: > > I normally run junkbuster so cookies are turned off. Can mailman check > > for this situation and alert that cookies are not functioning instead of > > just asking again for the name/password with no indication of why? > > How would mailman know? All it sees is you (someone it has never authenticated, > by lack of cookies) trying to access an administrative page. Just a theory from someone who has seen similar things done before, but in obnoxious ways... When an admin page is accessed and no cookie is present, issue a (dummy) cookie and a redirect to the same URL. Just be sure to add an extra CGI arg (...?missingcookie=1 or somesuch), which is the step that many cookie- happy sites forget, causing the page to reload continually for those of us with cookies disabled. When they come back the second time, with 'missingcookie' set, check for the presence of the dummy cookie. If it's there, they have cookies turned on but haven't logged in, so they should be sent to the login page. If it's missing, they have cookies turned off (or they manually went directly to the no-cookie-reload URI...) and should be sent to a modified login page with an added statement to the effect of, "You have cookies turned off. You can't do admin stuff until you turn them on." (I do a fair bit of apache module programming, but never use cookies. This should work, though, based on what I've read about them.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From fkintzel at avaya.com Mon Jan 15 18:48:04 2001 From: fkintzel at avaya.com (Kintzel, Fred W (Fred)) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Selecting a switch type for a Provision project. Message-ID: <78F8A7599812D211A57C00805F9F91E0018172AA@nj0117exch002u.wh.lucent.com> I have trouble knowing which switch type to use for a project. There are 24 to choose from (G3-IV, G3-RV, ECS-R8, ECS-R6.3.1, etc.). Does anyone know where to find a list of these switch types and what they pertain to? Thank-you in advance for any input. Fred Kintzel Software Associate Avaya Inc. 2855 N. Franklin Rd. Indianapolis, In. 46219 317/917-5617 Voice & Fax fkintzel at avaya.com From MikeT at scitechsoft.com Tue Jan 16 00:37:41 2001 From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:37:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] copy a list Message-ID: <3A631945.29028.105860E@localhost> I am trying to copy or clone a list. Is it possible to make a list with my perfected options and then clone it to have another name with all the same attributes. I have been through the files in $prefix/bin, this is where i would have expected to find a command of this type. Am I missing it, or is it not possible. Thanks for any help! miket ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SciTech Software, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael E. Todd Chico, CA 95928 530-894-8400 #151 From bob at nleaudio.com Tue Jan 16 02:28:27 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:28:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscription Script, try #2 References: Message-ID: <3A63A3BB.5B1E92C5@nleaudio.com> Ok guys, here's my second shot at this unsubscription script. This time I used sendmail, and made the message look like it came from the person, so they get the unsubscription confirmation message. But there is a serious problem. First though, here is the script: #!/bin/bash # # Mailman auto unsubscription by Bob Puff 01/15/01 # # Call from your aliases file like: # test-unsub: /home/mailman/unsub test-request at yourdomain.com # sp="xxxxx" # Put your site password here # read fl ; addr="`echo $fl | awk '{print $2}'`" ; # Yeah, it's crude, but it gets the user's address most of the time echo "From: $addr" > /tmp/$addr echo "To: $1" >> /tmp/$addr echo "Subject: unsubscribe $sp $addr" >> /tmp/$addr echo "" >> /tmp/$addr echo "unsubscribe $sp $addr" >> /tmp/$addr echo "" >> /tmp/$addr /usr/lib/sendmail -f $addr $1 < /tmp/$addr rm /tmp/$addr Now to the problem. Mailman kicks back the line to the user, along with the message "succeeded." The big problem is that it reveals the site password! It would be much nicer to have mailman reply with, "You have successfully unsubscribed from xxx." If we use the remove member file in /bin, I suspect we're back at square 1 with no message being sent to the user. I suppose the script could generate this message, but it would be nicer to have Mailman do it. Ideas? Bob From bob at nleaudio.com Tue Jan 16 03:09:04 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:09:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscription Script, Try #3 References: Message-ID: <3A63AD40.47E69168@nleaudio.com> Ok, think I figured out a safe way. I used the -admin as the From: address in the mail to Mailman. Also added a return message to the originating person confirming their unsubscription. So far, this looks to be good! Call it with a couple parameters in your aliases file. Here is the script. Put this in /home/mailman, or wherever else you would like it: #!/bin/bash # # Mailman auto unsubscription by Bob Puff 01/15/01 # # Pass two parameters to this script: # /home/mailman/unsub # Call from your aliases file like: # test-unsub: /home/mailman/unsub test yourdomain.com # sp="xxxxx" # *** Put your site password here *** # # read fl ; addr="`echo $fl | awk '{print $2}'`" ; # Yeah, it's crude, but it gets the user's address most of the time echo "From: $1-admin@$2" > /tmp/$addr echo "To: $1-request@$2" >> /tmp/$addr echo "Subject: unsubscribe $sp $addr" >> /tmp/$addr echo "" >> /tmp/$addr echo "unsubscribe $sp $addr" >> /tmp/$addr echo "" >> /tmp/$addr /usr/lib/sendmail -f $1-admin@$2 $1-request@$2 < /tmp/$addr rm /tmp/$addr # send the unsub to mailman, and clean up echo "From: $1-admin@$2" > /tmp/$addr echo "To: $addr" >> /tmp/$addr echo "Subject: Unsubscription Confirmation" >> /tmp/$addr echo "" >> /tmp/$addr echo "This message is to confirm your unsubscription request to" >> /tmp/$addr echo "the $1 list. You will receive no more messages from" >> /tmp/$addr echo "this list. Thank you." >> /tmp/$addr echo "" >> /tmp/$addr /usr/lib/sendmail -f $1-admin@$2 $addr < /tmp/$addr rm /tmp/$addr # send msg to the person, and clean up From techgrrl at beeze.com Tue Jan 16 04:17:23 2001 From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:17:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner lock problems Message-ID: <00bb01c07f6a$dabaa5a0$0b00a8c0@home.beeze.com> My qrunner log is filling up with: Jan 15 19:12:04 2001 (183) Could not acquire qrunner lock What causes qrunner to not be able to get a lock? The only thing I can see in the logs at the particular time this one was generated was a successful post to one of the lists. Thanks for any help. -- Sarah From Thomas at travelhacker.com Tue Jan 16 04:37:16 2001 From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (Thomas Speight) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:37:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration file for Virtual Account Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010115192845.02bb19f0@mail.rockygorge.com> I am using Mailman through a virtual account. My list which has 1500 subscribers has not emailed all of the members for a week some receive them but others do not. Would there be a problem if the former hosting company did not shut down the old account? My current hosting company says that the Mailman list setup for me does not have a configuration file [unsure if it is tad.cfg (tad being the name of the list)or what?]. This list has only members in the Digest mode. It there a config file for each list and what is it named? Thanks for your guidance. Thomas From soros_gergely at nextra.hu Tue Jan 16 04:51:54 2001 From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:51:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscription Script, Try #3 References: <3A63AD40.47E69168@nleaudio.com> Message-ID: <048001c07f6f$b1ea65c0$8b02a3d5@newbie> Thanks for all your efforts, Bob! We are using your script on our live lists with great success. I'm sure many lists will find this useful and I'm hoping to see it in one of the future Mailman releases as a built-in feature. A 'confirmed unsubscription' similar to this but with a 'pending unsubscriptions' db and random numbers would be the final step, but we're more than satisfied now. Gergely Soros ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Puff at NLE" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscription Script, Try #3 > Ok, think I figured out a safe way. I used the -admin as the From: address in the mail to Mailman. Also added a return message to the originating person confirming their unsubscription. So far, this looks to be good! > > Call it with a couple parameters in your aliases file. > > Here is the script. Put this in /home/mailman, or wherever else you would like it: > > #!/bin/bash > # > # Mailman auto unsubscription by Bob Puff 01/15/01 > # > # Pass two parameters to this script: > # /home/mailman/unsub > > # Call from your aliases file like: > # test-unsub: /home/mailman/unsub test yourdomain.com > # > sp="xxxxx" # *** Put your site password here *** > # > # > read fl ; > addr="`echo $fl | awk '{print $2}'`" ; > # Yeah, it's crude, but it gets the user's address most of the time > > echo "From: $1-admin@$2" > /tmp/$addr > echo "To: $1-request@$2" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "Subject: unsubscribe $sp $addr" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "unsubscribe $sp $addr" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "" >> /tmp/$addr > > /usr/lib/sendmail -f $1-admin@$2 $1-request@$2 < /tmp/$addr > rm /tmp/$addr # send the unsub to mailman, and clean up > > echo "From: $1-admin@$2" > /tmp/$addr > echo "To: $addr" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "Subject: Unsubscription Confirmation" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "This message is to confirm your unsubscription request to" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "the $1 list. You will receive no more messages from" >> /tmp/$addr > echo "this list. Thank you." >> /tmp/$addr > echo "" >> /tmp/$addr > > /usr/lib/sendmail -f $1-admin@$2 $addr < /tmp/$addr > rm /tmp/$addr # send msg to the person, and clean up > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From lindsey at mallorn.com Tue Jan 16 05:31:40 2001 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:31:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscription Script, Try #3 In-Reply-To: <048001c07f6f$b1ea65c0$8b02a3d5@newbie>; from soros_gergely@nextra.hu on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 04:51:54AM +0100 References: <3A63AD40.47E69168@nleaudio.com> <048001c07f6f$b1ea65c0$8b02a3d5@newbie> Message-ID: <20010115223140.C382@mallorn.com> > We are using your script on our live lists with great success. > I'm sure many lists will find this useful and I'm hoping to see it > in one of the future Mailman releases as a built-in feature. A > 'confirmed unsubscription' similar to this but with a 'pending > unsubscriptions' db and random numbers would be the final > step, but we're more than satisfied now. I just looked at the script for the first time, and it looks pretty good. Kudos, Bob! I did have one comment about the use of /tmp for the temporary file... Since /tmp isn't a secured directory, it's possible for someone to exploit the known filename... For example, if I create a symlink from /tmp/bobo at example.com to a file owned by the user that sendmail runs as, then send mail to your script with a From address of bobo at example.com it'll overwrite the original file. You're probably better off creating a directory like ~mailman/tmp, giving your script permissions to use it, then using that... Of course, this only applies if people have access to your systems, but it's still good practice (heck, you could exploit it via a .procmailrc or a .forward, too). I don't know if anyone mentioned this or not, but the script should probably only be readable by the user that can execute it, otherwise your mmsitepass password could be readable by others too (again, via .procmailrc, .forward, etc)... Chris From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Tue Jan 16 06:42:43 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:12:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscription Script, Try #3 In-Reply-To: <048001c07f6f$b1ea65c0$8b02a3d5@newbie> Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2001 at 04:51, Gergely Soros wrote: >We are using your script on our live lists with great success. >I'm sure many lists will find this useful and I'm hoping to see it >in one of the future Mailman releases as a built-in feature. A >'confirmed unsubscription' similar to this but with a 'pending >unsubscriptions' db and random numbers would be the final I'm about to post my Perl version of the same thing, which implements a web interface (as well as email[0]) and uses MySQL[1] to save confirm codes and stuff. Did I mention it asks for a confirmation email, like majordomo? It's on version 0.1 devel right now. [0] Parsing from addresses is still a problem. I'm looking for formail clues right now, the next release should be better. [1] One of the things on the todo list is an ability to use flat files instead, for those who don't have MySQL. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Back up my hard drive? I can't find the reverse switch! From amj at mqqn.net Tue Jan 16 07:15:35 2001 From: amj at mqqn.net (Aaron M. Johnson) Date: 16 Jan 2001 00:15:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto restore list archives, configuration post hardware crash Message-ID: <8766jgrpiw.fsf@blue.mqqn.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi: I received the following message during an attempt to restore a mailman installation. When our mailing list servers' hard drive crashed we decided to reinstall the OS from scratch. This is a Debian box currently running mailman debian package version 1.1-6. I don't recall which version was on the system prior to the crash. If its important I could dig it up. For backup of the archives I made a tar file of /var/lib/mailman and restored it on top of the new installation. That lead to some problems. Jan 12 05:14:30 hippo postfix/local[1180]: 40FB1B929: to=, relay=local, delay=3, status=bounced (Command died with status 1: "/var/lib /mailman/mail/wrapper post staff". Command output: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? mlist.Post(msg, approved=from usenet) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1362, in Post footer = self.msg_footer % d) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 162, in DeliverToList cmdproc.write("%d\n" % self.num_spawns) AttributeError: num_spawns ) the error occurs with both old lists and newly created ones. It occurs in various forms with three SMTP clients; sendmail, exim, postfix. Can someone make sense of this debug output? I am a novice in python but would like to learn more. This has me stumped. I am pretty sure it has to do with what I unpacked from the tar file. I am not sure if it was incorrect permissions, file ownership or what that caused the error. Mailman appears to work after purging all configuration files and only adding new lists without restore the old ones. If possible I would like to be able to restore the old archives, admin passwords, etc in an automated fashion. Tips? thank you, aa -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.5, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBOmPm6xdQj3PH58qBAQH3fgQAjkg/PloGd+Oda6vbkQQHUirvY1Tkc/dP BZx7dFXmuw3gIs6LGq+DMPqhIPZaOn6SDIXeknxuBGKIQ3SAaNWAT6n0j4eY/d7G aPvVHakrMckztuFn6wAeCjgxkVcK9yprDHIsezZWGg/TW05YAM1aQ4g8SipKkLcA heUXMJk4tQU= =imIg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vanhorn at whidbey.com Tue Jan 16 08:11:01 2001 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:11:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] copy a list References: <3A631945.29028.105860E@localhost> Message-ID: <3A63F405.B4E6EBC@whidbey.com> It's a piece of cake, and one that I am very appreciative of since my first client had me set up five new lists all at once. The key is config_list in the script directory (/home/mailman/bin by default). Get the right syntax from the help page, of course, but basically you setup all of your lists with new_list, configure one of them all the way through to the last detail, and then run config_list -o which creates a Python file with all the controlling attributes. You edit that file, either deleting or commenting out the parts that are not universal, and then run it in reverse: config_list -i Not quite as intuitive as us object-oriented user types might prefer, but close. And it does work. Van MikeT at scitechsoft.com wrote: > > I am trying to copy or clone a list. > > Is it possible to make a list with my perfected options and then clone it to have > another name with all the same attributes. > I have been through the files in $prefix/bin, this is where i would have expected to > find a command of this type. Am I missing it, or is it not possible. > > Thanks for any help! > miket > > From claw at kanga.nu Tue Jan 16 08:55:04 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:55:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto restore list archives, configuration post hardware crash In-Reply-To: Message from amj@mqqn.net (Aaron M. Johnson) of "16 Jan 2001 00:15:35 CST." <8766jgrpiw.fsf@blue.mqqn.net> References: <8766jgrpiw.fsf@blue.mqqn.net> Message-ID: <12371.979631704@kanga.nu> On 16 Jan 2001 00:15:35 -0600 Aaron M Johnson wrote: > I received the following message during an attempt to restore a > mailman installation. When our mailing list servers' hard drive > crashed we decided to reinstall the OS from scratch. This is a > Debian box currently running mailman debian package version 1.1-6. > I don't recall which version was on the system prior to the crash. > If its important I could dig it up. For backup of the archives I > made a tar file of /var/lib/mailman and restored it on top of the > new installation. That lead to some problems. 1.1 is *old*. The current Debian package is 2.0. You'll need to do the following: # dpkg --purge mailman Then, untar your mailman backup in a DIFFERENT directory, and copy the contents of .../lists to /var/lib/mailman/lists. Additionally, if you are using an alias file, copy that over as well, and reconfigure your MTA appropriately. Next examine .../Mailman/mm_cfg.py in your backup set for values you tweaked for your local installation. With care, comparing it against the current contents of the new Mailman's mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py, move any necessary customisations over. Finally use the bin/update script to move your config.db files in for each list over to the new format, and then run check_perms and fix as appropriate. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From mdunston at music.vt.edu Tue Jan 16 10:42:26 2001 From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (Michael Dunston) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:42:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor archive problem after upgrade.. Message-ID: <19341211031410.10581@mail.music.vt.edu> I recently upgraded both Mailman (2.0b5 -> 2.0) and Python (1.42 -> 2.0) and just noticed that the HTML archives are being created differently. In the old system, the individual HTML archived messages listed the poster's name and email address at the top of the page. For all messages after the upgrade, this is now being created as the poster's name with the list address (instead of the user's email). it was: Tom Smith tsmith at domain.com now is: Tom Smith list at listaddress.com Is this normal? Can anyone offer any insight into this? Thanks in advance for any enlightenment. . . . . . . . . . . . Michael From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Jan 16 13:15:02 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:15:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor archive problem after upgrade.. References: <19341211031410.10581@mail.music.vt.edu> Message-ID: <3A643B46.4C439A02@west.sun.com> Michael Dunston wrote: > > I recently upgraded both Mailman (2.0b5 -> 2.0) and Python (1.42 -> 2.0) > and just noticed that the HTML archives are being created differently. > > In the old system, the individual HTML archived messages listed the > poster's name and email address at the top of the page. For all messages > after the upgrade, this is now being created as the poster's name with > the list address (instead of the user's email). > > it was: Tom Smith tsmith at domain.com > now is: Tom Smith list at listaddress.com > > Is this normal? Can anyone offer any insight into this? Thanks in > advance for any enlightenment. It's not that way for me. That's odd. From dzeiss at stud.uni-goettingen.de Tue Jan 16 13:30:28 2001 From: dzeiss at stud.uni-goettingen.de (Daniel Zeiss) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:30:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] high cpu / mem usage thru mailman Message-ID: <18999181333.20010116133028@stud.uni-goettingen.de> Hello, for some time I am a happy user of the Mailman mailinglist system. Everything done very nicely. But on my Athlon 500 Mhz and 128 MB the Mailman cronjob uses up to 120 MB und uses 60 % CPU though I just have 4 very low traffic mailinglists running. (and this buy default all 5 Minutes) Is that normal for Mailman? Is it pythons fault? As Linux I use the Suse 7.0. Thank you for your answers. bye Daniel From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Tue Jan 16 16:11:56 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:41:56 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscription Script, Try #3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2001 at 11:12, Satya wrote: >I'm about to post my Perl version of the same thing, which implements a >web interface (as well as email[0]) and uses MySQL[1] to save confirm >codes and stuff. Did I mention it asks for a confirmation email, like >majordomo? It's up at http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw >[0] Parsing from addresses is still a problem. I'm looking for formail >clues right now, the next release should be better. I've implemented formail now. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of magnetic tape." -- Andrew Tanenbaum From sthillay at fr.uu.net Tue Jan 16 17:00:28 2001 From: sthillay at fr.uu.net (Stephane Thillay) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:00:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Admin authentication failed 'cause of cookie In-Reply-To: Stephane Thillay's message of 12 January 2001 12:57:59 +0100 References: <14942.61767.445419.464853@pc4.clemenceau2.iway.fr> Message-ID: <14948.28700.800181.186987@pc4.clemenceau2.iway.fr> le 12/1/2001, 12:57:59, Stephane Thillay ?crivait : > > I can't reach the administrative web page for my lists. Each time I > enter the passwd (in myhost/mailman/admin/mylist) I receive a > "Authentication failed" message followed by the password form. > > box, This one works fine, Then I discoverd that the Solaris box > doesn't send the cookie named 'mylist:admin'. > Here was the problem : there are two 'python' on the test machine I use. The one for the system, and mine for a self dependant package I want to build. The local python is used when I create new mailing list or when I update the site password. And my python is used by the cgi's. Of course, the two version use different crypt library... I changed the PATH (for command line operations) and everything works fine. STh From James.D.Williams at noaa.gov Tue Jan 16 19:21:55 2001 From: James.D.Williams at noaa.gov (James D Williams) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems setting up Web interface for mm 2.0.1 Message-ID: Thanks, Dave, for your help... Actually, I followed those directions, but it turns out that whoever configured our apache created two 'conf' directories in different places on the system. Unfortunately, I modified the httpd.conf file in the wrong directory last week. Ugh... After adding ScriptAlias, etc to the correct conf file on the system, I still needed to 'open up' permissions to both the cgi-bin and pipermail directories in mailman to permit apache to run scripts in them, etc. Finally, after making these additional changes to httpd.conf, mailman worked. Thanks again for answering my mail. mailman looks to be a nice listserver.... -- Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Klingler Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems setting up Web interface for mm 2.0.1 > > > > QUESTION: How does one set up the Web interface to mailman??? > > These are scripts, Jim. If you run them through Apache, the url > /mailman/listinfo/ runs a script called listinfo in the cgi- > bin > directory, with the argument . > > In Apache, you need a line in your httpd.conf file that sets a > scriptaliasto that cgi-bin directory, essentially like so: > > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ > Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman.cg > These two directives are in fact in the installation instructions > if you > follow them to the letter. After you make these entries, you need > to send > Apache a SIGHUP (kill - SIGHUP httpd's pid running as root) or on > newerApache installations, "/usr/locait to reread its configuration > files. > Good luck! > Dave Klingler > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From cjones at ecmarket.com Tue Jan 16 20:15:07 2001 From: cjones at ecmarket.com (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:15:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman Message-ID: <3A649DBB.5020907@ecmarket.com> I was wondering if someone can help me with an issue I'm having with Postfix and Mailman. When I create a list and try to subscribe to it, I get this error from Postfix: Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thanks. -- chris jones network administrator, ecmarket (www.ecmarket.com) cjones at ecmarket.com - 604.638.2300 x 111 From gossamer at tertius.net.au Tue Jan 16 20:22:57 2001 From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:22:57 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix and Mailman In-Reply-To: <3A649DBB.5020907@ecmarket.com>; from cjones@ecmarket.com on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 11:15:07AM -0800 References: <3A649DBB.5020907@ecmarket.com> Message-ID: <20010117062256.X9226@tertius.net.au> Chris Jones wrote: > Command died with status 2: > "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec > script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) Did you read the FAQ? (umm, this one IS in the faq, right?) bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer at tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : That is your future - charting the unknown possibilities of : existence. -- Q, ST:TNG From jsintz at ohiohistory.org Tue Jan 16 20:23:14 2001 From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B01D5EE3E@COM> Chris, The error message says it all :-) Re-run the configure script and include --with-mail-gid=99 You'll need to do a make clean. The install file gives step by step instructions on configuring Mailman as well as how to re-configure if you screw up the first time(s). For the most part, follow these instructions WORD-for-WORD. Jamey > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Jones [SMTP:cjones at ecmarket.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:15 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman > > I was wondering if someone can help me with an issue I'm having with > Postfix and Mailman. When I create a list and try to subscribe to it, I > get this error from Postfix: > > > Command died with status 2: > "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec > script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) > > Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thanks. > > -- > chris jones > network administrator, ecmarket (www.ecmarket.com) > cjones at ecmarket.com - 604.638.2300 x 111 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From cbsbass at yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 20:53:18 2001 From: cbsbass at yahoo.com (cbsbass) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:53:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive by thread vs subject Message-ID: <20010116195318.89642.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> What determines the thread association in the archive by thread? Is it the way the user response to the original email? Some of the archives by thread I look at have the same subject but display in different areas in the archive list. Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jsintz at ohiohistory.org Tue Jan 16 20:53:17 2001 From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:53:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching the list archives?? Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B01D5EE3F@COM> Are there any plans or is anyone working on making the mailman-users list searchable? For instance maybe an eGroups.com archive. Yes, I am aware that according to the listinfo page the archives of the list are searchable by using the general Python.org site (following the hint info). However, unless I'm a complete idiot (arguable), I have NEVER once gotten any results for any search...including a search for just "mailman". I hate bugging the list with common questions that have been asked and answered a dozen times so a working archives search for us newbies would be awesome. Thanks!! Jamey From ddunaway at corp.netcom.ca Tue Jan 16 20:59:11 2001 From: ddunaway at corp.netcom.ca (Dave Dunaway (ncc0296)) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:59:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix and Mailman In-Reply-To: <20010117062256.X9226@tertius.net.au>; from gossamer@tertius.net.au on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:22:57AM +1100 References: <3A649DBB.5020907@ecmarket.com> <20010117062256.X9226@tertius.net.au> Message-ID: <20010116145911.B89622@corp.netcom.ca> It's clearly indicated in the README that comes with the source. On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:22:57AM +1100, Bek Oberin wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > Command died with status 2: > > "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec > > script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) > > Did you read the FAQ? > > (umm, this one IS in the faq, right?) > > > bekj > > -- > : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- > : gossamer at tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ > : That is your future - charting the unknown possibilities of > : existence. -- Q, ST:TNG > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Dave Dunaway [ddunaway at corp.attcanada.ca] Systems Administrator, AT&T Canada, IES tel: (416)341-5932, fax: (416)341-5943 From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jan 16 21:25:53 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:25:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFC List Headers vs Windows Eudora Message-ID: There was a discussion in December about the RFC ... mailing list headers, and the fact that the current Eudora shows them by default. The solution is trivial for (recent) Mac Eudora versions (however, it probably isn't for the 1.x versions some folks still use). However, for Windows, there was just a seeming conclusion that it is necessary to edit Eudora.ini, but no details on what to put there. Or at least not that I found in the mailman-users archives. [We certainly aren't going to recommend reverting to Lookout Express, until Microsoft figures out that executing anything that remotely resembles an executable is a Bad Thing.] Is there a recipe somewhere? Or a better solution? (No, we aren't going to disable the headers, but our lists do have some Win Eudora users, most of whom won't buy the *right* answer (switch to Mac Eudora) ;-)). (One might hope for a solution based on the mechanism or a plugin. I didn't have any luck at the www.eudora.com site just now. Thanks. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From vanhorn at whidbey.com Tue Jan 16 21:38:34 2001 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:38:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old stupid messages in archives References: <3A649DBB.5020907@ecmarket.com> <20010117062256.X9226@tertius.net.au> <20010116145911.B89622@corp.netcom.ca> Message-ID: <3A64B14A.A9CB462A@whidbey.com> When I setup one of the lists here I had quite a sequence of "this is a test after xxxx at hh:mm" sorts of messages, and they are hanging out in the archive. It looks like I can probably edit the file /home/mailman/archives/public/.mbox/.mbx and delete the offending messages, but I really don't want to break things. Has anyone tried this? Did it work? Van From gossamer at tertius.net.au Tue Jan 16 21:42:37 2001 From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:42:37 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Old stupid messages in archives In-Reply-To: <3A64B14A.A9CB462A@whidbey.com>; from vanhorn@whidbey.com on Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:38:34PM -0800 References: <3A649DBB.5020907@ecmarket.com> <20010117062256.X9226@tertius.net.au> <20010116145911.B89622@corp.netcom.ca> <3A64B14A.A9CB462A@whidbey.com> Message-ID: <20010117074236.A9226@tertius.net.au> G. Armour Van Horn wrote: > When I setup one of the lists here I had quite a sequence of "this is a > test after xxxx at hh:mm" sorts of messages, and they are hanging out in > the archive. > It looks like I can probably edit the file > /home/mailman/archives/public/.mbox/.mbx > and delete the offending messages, but I really don't want to break > things. > Has anyone tried this? Did it work? *declares herself this week's official grump* RTFM. It's there. bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer at tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : The journey not the arrival, matters; the voyage, not the : landing. -- Paul Theroux From jcn at storytime.org Tue Jan 16 21:46:48 2001 From: jcn at storytime.org (jcn at storytime.org) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:46:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching the list archives?? In-Reply-To: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B01D5EE3F@COM> Message-ID: There is an archive of mailman-users posts at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/ It's searchable and just seems to suffer from a lag in the posts actually showing up in a timely manner sometimes (the service gets a lot of mail going through it). Better than nothing though. jcn On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, James Sintz wrote: > Are there any plans or is anyone working on making the mailman-users list > searchable? For instance maybe an eGroups.com archive. > > Yes, I am aware that according to the listinfo page the archives of the list > are searchable by using the general Python.org site (following the hint > info). However, unless I'm a complete idiot (arguable), I have NEVER once > gotten any results for any search...including a search for just "mailman". > > I hate bugging the list with common questions that have been asked and > answered a dozen times so a working archives search for us newbies would be > awesome. > > Thanks!! > > Jamey > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From mentor at alb-net.com Tue Jan 16 22:06:38 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:06:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor archive problem after upgrade.. In-Reply-To: <19341211031410.10581@mail.music.vt.edu> Message-ID: I get the same thing on my lists. And yes, I have upgraded to Python 2.0 and Mailman 2.0.1. ?? later, Mentor On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, at 04:42, Michael Dunston wrote: > I recently upgraded both Mailman (2.0b5 -> 2.0) and Python (1.42 -> 2.0) > and just noticed that the HTML archives are being created differently. > > In the old system, the individual HTML archived messages listed the > poster's name and email address at the top of the page. For all messages > after the upgrade, this is now being created as the poster's name with > the list address (instead of the user's email). > > it was: Tom Smith tsmith at domain.com > now is: Tom Smith list at listaddress.com > > Is this normal? Can anyone offer any insight into this? Thanks in > advance for any enlightenment. > > . . . . . . . . . . . > Michael > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jsintz at ohiohistory.org Tue Jan 16 22:07:10 2001 From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:07:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching the list archives?? Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B01D5EE43@COM> Perfect! Thanks!!!! Now if only the Mailman site would put a link to this archive on the mailman-users listinfo page. Jamey > -----Original Message----- > From: jcn at storytime.org [SMTP:jcn at storytime.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:47 PM > To: James Sintz > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] searching the list archives?? > > > There is an archive of mailman-users posts at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/ > > It's searchable and just seems to suffer from a lag in the posts actually > showing up in a timely manner sometimes (the service gets a lot of mail > going through it). > > Better than nothing though. > > jcn > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, James Sintz wrote: > > > Are there any plans or is anyone working on making the mailman-users > list > > searchable? For instance maybe an eGroups.com archive. > > > > Yes, I am aware that according to the listinfo page the archives of the > list > > are searchable by using the general Python.org site (following the hint > > info). However, unless I'm a complete idiot (arguable), I have NEVER > once > > gotten any results for any search...including a search for just > "mailman". > > > > I hate bugging the list with common questions that have been asked and > > answered a dozen times so a working archives search for us newbies would > be > > awesome. > > > > Thanks!! > > > > Jamey > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > From jtrigg at huiekin.org Tue Jan 16 22:35:51 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:35:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFC List Headers vs Windows Eudora In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116163137.0201cc30@mail.huiekin.org> At 03:25 PM 1/16/01, John W Baxter wrote: >There was a discussion in December about the RFC ... mailing list headers, >and the fact that the current Eudora shows them by default. The solution >is trivial for (recent) Mac Eudora versions (however, it probably isn't for >the 1.x versions some folks still use). Can you send me the details on how to do it with Mac Eudora? While I use Win Eudora (don't ask), some of the folks subscribed to my lists run Mac Eudora. Also, similar pointers for other mail clients would be appreciated. Partial list of clients I'd like information on: Pegasus Mail for Windows (I think it handles it without user intervention?) Pegasus Mail for Mac Eudora for Windows Musashi (Macintosh) Elm (Unix) Pine (Unix) PC-Pine (Windows) Mutt (Unix) When I migrated a list from Majordomo to Mailman, the number of added headers being displayed was one of the disadvantages noticed. Thanks, Jim Trigg From jtrigg at huiekin.org Tue Jan 16 23:36:58 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:36:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFC List Headers vs Windows Eudora In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116163137.0201cc30@mail.huiekin.org> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116173435.025a58e0@mail.huiekin.org> At 04:35 PM 1/16/2001, I wrote: >At 03:25 PM 1/16/01, John W Baxter wrote: >>There was a discussion in December about the RFC ... mailing list headers, >>and the fact that the current Eudora shows them by default. The solution >>is trivial for (recent) Mac Eudora versions (however, it probably isn't for >>the 1.x versions some folks still use). > >Can you send me the details on how to do it with Mac Eudora? While I use >Win Eudora (don't ask), some of the folks subscribed to my lists run Mac >Eudora. > >Eudora for Windows I have found the Windows Eudora setting. It is TabooHeaders. (It's amazing what you'll find in the manual...) You can't effectively do it through x-eudora-settings, because of the possibility of munging previous customization. But if you edit the eudora.ini file and either add the setting or add to the list of headers not to be displayed unless "Blah blah blah" is selected, that should do the trick. Jim Trigg From jwblist at olympus.net Wed Jan 17 00:35:12 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:35:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFC List Headers vs Windows Eudora In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116163137.0201cc30@mail.huiekin.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116163137.0201cc30@mail.huiekin.org> Message-ID: In Mac Eudora (recent versions) install the Esoteric Settings plugin which ships with Eudora (copy it from the Extra Plugins folder to the Eudora Stuff folder in the most recent versions). Then in Special->Settings, find the Boring Headers icon in the list, and type in the headers you want to hide (I leave List-Post exposed) one per line. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From robo at antileague.com Wed Jan 17 01:35:38 2001 From: robo at antileague.com (RoB-O) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:35:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help Message-ID: <3A64E8DA.7938CF3C@antileague.com> i have installed mailman and everything seems to work up to the point that when i try to subscribe to the list, when replying to join i receve this error message ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd webopps" > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd webopps"... Service unavailable > i have checked sendmail and it shows the users for the mailman groups...... please help! From matt at thoene.net Wed Jan 17 02:07:03 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:07:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help In-Reply-To: <3A64E8DA.7938CF3C@antileague.com> Message-ID: You need to do a symbolic link in /etc/smrsh to your mailman wrapper program. I forget why (maybe someone else on the list can explain) but trust me it'll work. :] cd /etc/smrsh ln -s /path/to/mailman/wrapper wrapper -Matt ::-----Original Message----- ::From: mailman-users-admin at python.org ::[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of RoB-O ::Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 4:36 PM ::To: mailman-users at python.org ::Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help :: :: ::i have installed mailman and everything seems to work up to the point ::that when i try to subscribe to the list, when replying to join i ::receve this error message :: :: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ::> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd webopps" ::> (expanded from: ) ::> ::> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ::> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs ::> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd webopps"... Service ::unavailable ::> :: ::i have checked sendmail and it shows the users for the mailman ::groups...... ::please help! :: :: :: :: ::------------------------------------------------------ ::Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org ::http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users :: From ivaldes at hal-pc.org Wed Jan 17 04:09:08 2001 From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:09:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Names along with e-mail's? Message-ID: <3A650CD4.2DD29E7F@hal-pc.org> Hello all, I'm using mailman for a student organization that requires membership before being able to access the discussion list. Since it is a student club, members come and go frequently so we'd like to include names along with e-mail id's on the subscription list so that we can easily identify an id with its owner and delete them as members graduate. I notice that on the membership management list it stores the e-mail's only. Is it possible to add names as well as e-mail id's to membership management without maintaining a cross reference list somewhere else? Thanks, -- IV From robo at antileague.com Wed Jan 17 05:33:05 2001 From: robo at antileague.com (RoB-O) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:33:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing default footer Message-ID: <3A652081.4EC44EF0@antileague.com> hello: how do i remove the default footer in mailman? From matt at thoene.net Wed Jan 17 06:39:28 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:39:28 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing default footer In-Reply-To: <3A652081.4EC44EF0@antileague.com> Message-ID: Rob-O, This can be done in the administrative web interface. It's in the 'non-digest' area... -Matt ::-----Original Message----- ::From: mailman-users-admin at python.org ::[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of RoB-O ::Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:33 PM ::To: mailman-users at python.org ::Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing default footer :: :: ::hello: ::how do i remove the default footer in mailman? :: :: :: ::------------------------------------------------------ ::Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org ::http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users :: From egyed at npp.hu Wed Jan 17 07:31:00 2001 From: egyed at npp.hu (Egyed =?iso-8859-2?Q?J=F3zsef?=) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:31:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get all members list Message-ID: <3A653C24.43FBB528@npp.hu> From tib at tigerknight.org Wed Jan 17 07:32:48 2001 From: tib at tigerknight.org (Tib) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:32:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user message Message-ID: is there any way to re-send the new user welcome message to people who are on the list already? Or if not, can I remove people from the list without them being notified somehow and then resubscribe them so that they do get the welcome message? Tib From daniel at yipyip.com Wed Jan 17 07:31:42 2001 From: daniel at yipyip.com (Daniel Einspanjer) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:31:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with wrapper execution Message-ID: <3A653C4E.1A3F2A59@yipyip.com> I installed Mailman on my Redhat 6.2 system that is running Apache and Exim. When doing the configure, I specified --with-mail-gid=12 which is the group for my "mail" account. I created the mailman account and am using the default home directory for it. Exim is configured to use the "mail" user and group. Whenever a message is sent to the mail list address, a delivery failure notification comes back with the following information: -- A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: test at miraclelabs.com: Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper -- Note that I can't see what the arguments being handed to wrapper are. I don't know if this is normal for exim or if it is the source of my problem. Could anyone give me some advice on how to troubleshoot this problem? I do not see any more information on my /var/log/maillog file, and there is no information in the ./mailman/logs directory pertaining to this. Daniel From dzeiss at stud.uni-goettingen.de Wed Jan 17 12:19:45 2001 From: dzeiss at stud.uni-goettingen.de (Daniel Zeiss) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:19:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange Cron Error message Message-ID: <110181837272.20010117121945@stud.uni-goettingen.de> Hello , daily I get this message: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main send_list_digest(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 53, in send_list_digest ToDigest.inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 176, in inject_digest msg = digest.asText() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 245, in asText return self.Present(mime=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in Present lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_footer % self.TemplateRefs()) ValueError: unsupported format character 'M' (0x4d) Thats wrong?? I cant find an "M" 's in my webinterface. bye Daniel From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 17 12:55:14 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:55:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange Cron Error message References: <110181837272.20010117121945@stud.uni-goettingen.de> Message-ID: <3A658822.8BCB11BF@west.sun.com> self.__mlist.digest_footer % self.TemplateRefs() means "substitute all the printf-like format characters in self.__mlist.digest_footer with directory refs from self.TemplateRefs()". There must be a %M (or perhaps % M) in your digest_footer entry. If you must have it, double the % (i.e. %%M). Daniel Zeiss wrote: > > Hello , > > daily I get this message: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main > send_list_digest(mlist) > File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 53, in send_list_digest > ToDigest.inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 176, in inject_digest > msg = digest.asText() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 245, in asText > return self.Present(mime=0) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in Present > lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_footer % self.TemplateRefs()) > ValueError: unsupported format character 'M' (0x4d) > > Thats wrong?? I cant find an "M" 's in my webinterface. > > bye > > Daniel > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com Wed Jan 17 11:29:19 2001 From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:29:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible Bug!!! Message-ID: <3A6573FF.DED3D242@opensourcedirectory.com> Yes I was wondering if this would be a bug. I can make a mailing list via the ./newlist name email address password and then press to send the confirmation email. Ok that works fine. But here is where the trouble starts. If I run the Mailman newlist all on one command. Example : ./newlist mailinglistname Admin at list.org secretpassword then it ask's me to press to send the confirmation email... I still get the confirmation email with the password in it. I click on the link which brings me to the authentication page. Putting in the password that I inserted does nothing but bring up the authentication failed page. It looks as like the lists are created without a password when I run mailman on one single command line. Is this normal? is this a bug? anyone else experience something like that? if so how can I fix it... I really have to get it to run on a single command line so that I can put a script in the cron to add mailing lists. Thanks again From kmccann at bellanet.org Wed Jan 17 15:59:44 2001 From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:59:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing an archive from another system Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010117093228.00d0cc90@internet.idrc.ca> Hello, I now have Mailman up and running. Many thanks to all who have contributed to it. I'm a long-time admin of Listproc and Lyris and if I can contribute to the cause in any way, let me know. I would like to import an archive from another system into the archive of a new Mailman list. I thought it would be a cinch but I have run into difficulties. This is what I did as a test: - created testing-l list on Mailman system - sent one message to create the archive - created a .mbox file from the archive on the other system (it was a Lyris list, also called testing-l, and I exported the archive into an mbox format file. - deleted /home/mailman/archives/testing-l directory - deleted /home/mailman/archives/private/testing-l.mbox/testing-l.mbox file and replaced it with the like-named, exported .mbox file So far so good, right? Then I did: bin/arch testing-l I went to refresh my testing-l archive web page and now I have a link to "download the full archive", which is great, but I no longer have the "by thread, by author, etc." stuff below. Instead, I see "There are currently no archives." So, my question is: does /bin/arch care if the .mbox file was created on a different system (eg To: headers would have testing-l at lyris.myorg.com instead of testing-l at mailman.myorg.com)? Or does the problem lie elsewhere? I have checked ownership and file permissions on the imported .mbox file - that's fine. Thanks in advance for any help, Kevin McCann From mats at laplaza.org Wed Jan 17 17:04:31 2001 From: mats at laplaza.org (Mats Wichmann) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:04:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFC List Headers vs Windows Eudora In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116173435.025a58e0@mail.huiekin.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116163137.0201cc30@mail.huiekin.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010117090333.00ff8410@mail.laplaza.org> >>Eudora for Windows >I have found the Windows Eudora setting. It is TabooHeaders. (It's >amazing what you'll find in the manual...) Could someone post an actual snippet from the .ini file showing what it would look like? I didn't quite follow the explanation.... Thanks From jtrigg at huiekin.org Wed Jan 17 17:20:20 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFC List Headers vs Windows Eudora In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010117090333.00ff8410@mail.laplaza.org> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010116173435.025a58e0@mail.huiekin.org> <5.0.2.1.0.20010116163137.0201cc30@mail.huiekin.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010117111703.024706b0@mail.huiekin.org> At 11:04 AM 1/17/2001, you wrote: > >>Eudora for Windows > >I have found the Windows Eudora setting. It is TabooHeaders. (It's > >amazing what you'll find in the manual...) > >Could someone post an actual snippet from the .ini file >showing what it would look like? I didn't quite follow >the explanation.... [Settings] TabooHeaders=X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,List- Note: all but the last item are the default setting. Jim Trigg From daniel at yipyip.com Wed Jan 17 17:30:02 2001 From: daniel at yipyip.com (Daniel Einspanjer) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:30:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with wrapper execution In-Reply-To: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE99C@za14nt02.mweb.com> Message-ID: I resolved this problem. It was with my exim.conf file. When I read the README.EXIM and copied the settings listed therein to my exim config file, it had two settings, MAILMAN_UID and MAILMAN_GID. In the README it listed these as exim, exim. I changed them to mailman mailman, but this was incorrect. It was in fact supposed to be the user and group that exim runs under. For me, this was mail, mail. When I changed this option, it worked perfectly! On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:24:54 +0200, Pieter Boshoff ?wrote: >Hi, > >this is a permissions problem! I had the same problem when first installing >mailman. > >Pieter Boshoff >Unix Admin >M-WEB Business Solutions >+27 11 3407256 > -- Daniel Einspanjer daniel at yipyip.com http://www.yipyip.com From bappell at eclectechs.com Wed Jan 17 17:46:52 2001 From: bappell at eclectechs.com (Brian) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:46:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] posting Message-ID: <012001c080a5$1807d6e0$20f6abd0@valinet.com> Hi, I was wondering if you know of a way to change the e-mail address for posting messages. Thanks, Brian From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Wed Jan 17 19:02:59 2001 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and NNTP Server? Message-ID: System: I have a new Mailman installation (not modified at all) and a new DNEWS (nntp server) installation. I want my Mailman/NNTP postings to "work" with each other. Like, when you send an email to a Mailman list I want it to post to the nntp group automagically and vice versa. Is this normal? I haven't done it yet and don't really know where to start. Please reply directly as I do not know if my list subscription is working yet (i just resubscribed). -robert From edelrio at icm.csic.es Wed Jan 17 19:11:18 2001 From: edelrio at icm.csic.es (Evilio del Rio) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:11:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. Message-ID: Hello, Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for approval, just reject, full stop. Cheers, ________________________________________________________________ Evilio Jose del Rio Silvan Institut de Ciencies del Mar edelrio at icm.csic.es http://members.es.tripod.de/Evilio/ "Tocar? Stoickhov, parar? Bakero i xutar? Koeman..." - J. M. Puyal From brad at agendacomputing.com Wed Jan 17 21:59:20 2001 From: brad at agendacomputing.com (Bradley D. LaRonde) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:59:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin receiving messages even though not subscribed Message-ID: <013501c080c8$5e394540$01170e0a@vaio4> I'm not subscribed to a certain list, but I am listed as the admin (general option number 2). I still get copies of the messages to the list, but strangely delayed and bursty. I'm using Mailman 2.0beta5. Any ideas? Please e-mail me directly as I am not subscribed to this list. Thank you. Regards, Brad From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jan 17 22:46:14 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:46:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. In-Reply-To: ; from edelrio@icm.csic.es on Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 07:11:18PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20010117154614.D8397@sherohman.org> On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 07:11:18PM +0100, Evilio del Rio wrote: > Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member > posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for approval, > just reject, full stop. No, or at least not entirely within Mailman. ISTR someone proposing a trick with dummy list addresses and a bcc: to the list using a real address which only the admins know about, but that's the closest I've seen to a way to do automatic rejection of non-admin mail. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From jtrigg at huiekin.org Wed Jan 17 23:02:39 2001 From: jtrigg at huiekin.org (Jim Trigg) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:02:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. In-Reply-To: <20010117154614.D8397@sherohman.org> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010117170101.023ab060@mail.huiekin.org> At 04:46 PM 1/17/2001, you wrote: >On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 07:11:18PM +0100, Evilio del Rio wrote: > > Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member > > posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for approval, > > just reject, full stop. > >No, or at least not entirely within Mailman. ISTR someone proposing a trick >with dummy list addresses and a bcc: to the list using a real address which >only the admins know about, but that's the closest I've seen to a way to do >automatic rejection of non-admin mail. But he's not looking for auto-rejection of non-admin mail, just of non-subscriber mail. However, what you seem to be saying is that there's no way to auto-reject any mail; any rejected mail will always get held for an admin to decide what to do. Is that a true statement? Jim Trigg From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 17 23:05:30 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:05:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. References: Message-ID: <3A66172A.98293335@west.sun.com> Evilio del Rio wrote: > > Hello, > > Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member > posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for approval, > just reject, full stop. Adding header patterns to SpamDetect.py is one way, although not trivial. Adding "check for list membership" wouldn't be that hard, but it would take some actual Python coding. I could see if I could hack something like that up if there were sufficient interest. Proposal: a modification to SpamDetect.py to auto-reject, with no reply message, mail from non-subscribers (on lists with "subscriber posting only" set). Anyone besides Evilio dying for this? From A.Levenetz at bigfoot.com Wed Jan 17 23:28:36 2001 From: A.Levenetz at bigfoot.com (Alexander Levenetz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:28:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Again: German characters in subject cause trouble Message-ID: <5351455659.20010117232836@bigfoot.com> Hello everybody, I asked this question quite a while ago but got no answer, so here it is again: I looks like - well, it's a fact - that mails with those German characters (a, o and u with dots on top - ?, ? , ? [if you can read that]) in the subject cause problems when one replies to them. They keep on adding the Re: and [listname] till the subject line is full of them and the subject itself not readable anymore. It would be nice if someone could look in to that as I know a lot of German lists besides the ones I run that use mailman and that have this problem. No one seems to have a solution so far, though ("avoid these characters" is _not_ a solution). We run Mailman 2.0. Any help very much appreciated, Alexander -- "The only people who keep 'welcome' messages are the people who don't need them anyway." From wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 17 23:58:25 2001 From: wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu (Gary Wilson) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:58:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. References: <3A66172A.98293335@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <016401c080d8$ff98d030$4100a8c0@wwpublish.com> I would love to have this option (but can't help with the Python coding, not knowing Python). Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Mick" To: "Evilio del Rio" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. Evilio del Rio wrote: > > Hello, > > Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member > posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for approval, > just reject, full stop. Adding header patterns to SpamDetect.py is one way, although not trivial. Adding "check for list membership" wouldn't be that hard, but it would take some actual Python coding. I could see if I could hack something like that up if there were sufficient interest. Proposal: a modification to SpamDetect.py to auto-reject, with no reply message, mail from non-subscribers (on lists with "subscriber posting only" set). Anyone besides Evilio dying for this? ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Jan 18 02:48:00 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:48:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. Message-ID: <200101180146.RAA29729@utopia.west.sun.com> OK, well, this seems to work. I hacked up SpamDetect.py into a new module, grabbed code from Hold.py to get the sender and look for the member_posting_only option, and do a similar rejection trick to SpamDetect for throwing the message away. It also logs a message to ~mailman/logs/discard every time it rejects a non-subscriber post, so you can see that it's working. Add the following file to ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ as RejectNonSub.py. Then enable the feature by editing HandlerAPI.py (in the same directory) and adding RejectNonSub to the beginning of LIST_PIPELINE, so it looks like this: LIST_PIPELINE = ['RejectNonSub', 'SpamDetect', 'Approve', 'Replybot', . . . If you want to disable the feature, just remove the RejectNonSub from LIST_PIPELINE (or save a backup copy of HandlerAPI.py and just restore it). Here's RejectNonSub.py. As always with Python, indentation is important. # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. """Do immediate rejection of non-subscriber posts for lists with member_posting_only set. """ import HandlerAPI import string from Mailman import Utils from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog class NonMemberDetected(HandlerAPI.DiscardMessage): """The message was posted by a non-subscriber""" def process(mlist, msg, msgdata): listname = mlist.internal_name() adminaddr = listname + '-admin' sender = msg.GetSender() # Special case an ugly sendmail feature: If there exists an alias of the # form "owner-foo: bar" and sendmail receives mail for address "foo", # sendmail will change the envelope sender of the message to "bar" before # delivering. This feature does not appear to be configurable. *Boggle*. if not sender or sender[:len(listname)+6] == adminaddr: sender = msg.GetSender(use_envelope=0) if msgdata.get('approved'): return if mlist.member_posting_only: posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters)) if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \ not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters): # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of # explicitly approved posters syslog('discard', 'mail to %s from non-subscriber %s discarded' \ % (listname, sender)) raise NonMemberDetected > I would love to have this option (but can't help with the Python coding, not > knowing Python). > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Mick" > To: "Evilio del Rio" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. > > > > > Evilio del Rio wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member > > posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for approval, > > just reject, full stop. > > Adding header patterns to SpamDetect.py is one way, although not trivial. > Adding "check for list membership" wouldn't be that hard, but it would > take some actual Python coding. I could see if I could hack something > like that up if there were sufficient interest. > > Proposal: a modification to SpamDetect.py to auto-reject, with no > reply message, mail from non-subscribers (on lists with "subscriber posting > only" set). Anyone besides Evilio dying for this? > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ken at bilbo.edu.uy Thu Jan 18 12:39:14 2001 From: ken at bilbo.edu.uy (Kenneth Irving) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:39:14 -0300 (GRNLNDST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. Message-ID: Dan Mick wrote: >Evilio del Rio wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member >> posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for >approval, >> just reject, full stop. > >Adding header patterns to SpamDetect.py is one way, although not trivial. >Adding "check for list membership" wouldn't be that hard, but it would >take some actual Python coding. I could see if I could hack something >like that up if there were sufficient interest. > >Proposal: a modification to SpamDetect.py to auto-reject, with no >reply message, mail from non-subscribers (on lists with "subscriber >posting >only" set). Anyone besides Evilio dying for this? YES!!! I think this would be a very convenient feature, and don't understand why it hasn't been implemented yet. Although delivering non-member mail to a moderator is "politically correct" and convenient, because eventually non-member mail might be of interest to a certain mail list, it would be also convenient to have an option to auto-reject (with or wihtout reply message) non-member email. In fact I'm moderating a list in which this feature would be desirable. best regards Kenneth From mobleyb at nationwide.com Thu Jan 18 13:46:32 2001 From: mobleyb at nationwide.com (mobleyb at nationwide.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Purchasing email lists Message-ID: I'm interestred in purchasing some wmail lists. Is this a service you provide? Brian Mobley From mabran3 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu Thu Jan 18 10:57:23 2001 From: mabran3 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu (Mike Brancato) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:57:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nothing returned from posts. Message-ID: <20010118045723.A20211@ronco.netlab.uky.edu> i'm using exim as my MTA. when i post to a list, i get nothing in trurn, no error, nothing. the sending completes, then the machine later complains... 2001-01-18 04:32:56 14JBRA-0005DQ-00 <= mabran3 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu U=mabran3 P=local S=506 id=20010118043256.A20046 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu 2001-01-18 04:32:57 14JBRA-0005DQ-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post miketest-admin do i need to re-install with the mail GID set differently? i'm kinda stumped here. mike From lundman at lundman.net Thu Jan 18 12:56:10 2001 From: lundman at lundman.net (Jorgen Lundman) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:56:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PGP for Mailman Message-ID: <3A66D9DA.9FEFDBD@lundman.net> Always wanted to have a mailing-list handler that could optionally use PGP :) * So that users subscribed could (optionally) send in their public PGP key, and have all emails delivered to them from then on encoded. * Ask the server for its public key so mails could be sent to the list encrypted * Optional Header keywords in emails to specify delivery of mail to users only with PGP keys specified. But perhaps I'll just be flamed for such an idea... :) Lund -- Jorgen "Lord" Lundman Technology Manager, Unix Administrator Phone: +44 (020)8659-1860 Mobile: (07958)642-918 Pager: 07958642918 at one2one.net "Rare is the person who can weigh the faults of others without putting his thumb on the scales": Byron J. Langenfeld From lindhardt at skjoldhoej.dk Thu Jan 18 15:35:15 2001 From: lindhardt at skjoldhoej.dk (Jens Lindhardt) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:35:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error from mailman Message-ID: <002a01c0815b$df8c6120$d49fedd5@skjoldhoej.dk> Can anybody help me I get following error from mailman, evry night. Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in main time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt') AttributeError: strptime /Jens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010118/23527e9e/attachment.html From mats at laplaza.org Thu Jan 18 04:55:29 2001 From: mats at laplaza.org (Mats Wichmann) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:55:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reject non-member postings. In-Reply-To: <3A66172A.98293335@west.sun.com> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010117205013.0294e640@mail.laplaza.org> At 02:05 PM 01/17/2001 -0800, Dan Mick wrote: > > >Evilio del Rio wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member >> posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for approval, >> just reject, full stop. > >Adding header patterns to SpamDetect.py is one way, although not trivial. >Adding "check for list membership" wouldn't be that hard, but it would >take some actual Python coding. I could see if I could hack something >like that up if there were sufficient interest. > >Proposal: a modification to SpamDetect.py to auto-reject, with no >reply message, mail from non-subscribers (on lists with "subscriber posting >only" set). Anyone besides Evilio dying for this? I've got one particular list that's being spammed to death and I have to get on the web to discard all the postings. I've only once had a legitimate posting from a non-subscriber (she'd changed email addresses without fixing her subscription) so I don't mind tossing it all. This would help, yes. I wouldn't say I'm /dying/ for it... From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at Thu Jan 18 17:17:50 2001 From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:17:50 +0100 (MEZ) Subject: [Mailman-Users] PGP for Mailman In-Reply-To: <3A66D9DA.9FEFDBD@lundman.net> from Jorgen Lundman at "Jan 18, 2001 11:56:10 am" Message-ID: <200101181617.RAA95504@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at> According to Jorgen Lundman: > Always wanted to have a mailing-list handler that could optionally use > PGP :) > [...] > But perhaps I'll just be flamed for such an idea... :) No, PGP enhanced list managers are certainly an interesting thing. What you described is more or less an encrypted one to many mail exploder. This would be nice to have. Another configuration might be have a configuration where list members are only allowed to post with signed messages. This might be useful in situations where it is desirable to deliver important information without delay. +gg -- Gerhard.Gonter at wu-wien.ac.at Fax: +43/1/31336/702 g.gonter at ieee.org Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Thu Jan 18 17:21:45 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:21:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nothing returned from posts. In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Brancato of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:57:23 EST." <20010118045723.A20211@ronco.netlab.uky.edu> Message-ID: mabran3 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu said: > i'm using exim as my MTA. when i post to a list, i get nothing in > trurn, no error, nothing. the sending completes, then the machine > later complains... > 2001-01-18 04:32:56 14JBRA-0005DQ-00 <= mabran3 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu > U=mabran3 P=local S=506 id=20010118043256.A20046 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu > 2001-01-18 04:32:57 14JBRA-0005DQ-00 Neither the system_aliases > director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery > of |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post miketest-admin That means it cannot run the pipe command because there is no uid/gid associated with your aliases director. See http://www.exim.org/exim-html-3.20/doc/html/spec_20.html#SEC595 However you will do better going to http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html and reconfiguring exim that way, whilst removing all the mailman references from your aliases files. Nigel. > do i need to re-install with the mail GID set differently? -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From dan at ssc.com Thu Jan 18 17:23:36 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:23:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Purchasing email lists In-Reply-To: ; from mobleyb@nationwide.com on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 07:46:32AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010118082336.B28291@ssc.com> On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 07:46:32AM -0500, mobleyb at nationwide.com wrote: > I'm interestred in purchasing some wmail lists. Is this a service you > provide? > > Brian Mobley > Yikes! I hope not! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Correspondent SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-7733 x123 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From vps at pobox.com Thu Jan 18 21:39:25 2001 From: vps at pobox.com (Van Sederburg) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:39:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recognize REPLY-TO as a subscribed user? Message-ID: <200101181439.AA550240568@mailhost.directlink.net> It appears that Mailman looks only at the FROM address to determine whether the sender is a member of the list. Is there any way to make it check the REPLY-TO address as well? Some of my subscribers send mail from various accounts, with a reply-to address that is a filtering account that redirects mail where they want it based on subject or sender or whatever. If they subscribed to the list with their REPLY-TO address, they can never send mail to it successfully, because the FROM never matches it. Any thoughts? I've scanned the FAQ's and such and don't see any mention of this. Thanks for any help. Van Sederburg From jsaville at ksconline.com Thu Jan 18 18:12:46 2001 From: jsaville at ksconline.com (Jim Saville) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:12:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] performance/usage guidelines for Mailman Message-ID: <000a01c08171$e4692f00$277ca8c0@topaz> Are there any guidelines for hardware/software configurations for using the Mailman program. For example, I am working with an organization which wants to run 5-20 lists with most lists running about 2000 subscribers. I am planning on using a Pentium 133 with 228Mb RAM and a 4Gb hd running RH6.2 Linux, Sendmail 8.9.3, and Mailman 2.0. Is this an adequate configuration? Can someone supply configuration guidelines? Thank you very much for your time and information. Jim Saville Kaleidoscope Systems -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010118/76bb8ae8/attachment.htm From adanti at freedomforum.org Thu Jan 18 18:20:45 2001 From: adanti at freedomforum.org (Andrea Danti) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cost of service Message-ID: <9BA8EA456304D311BD800008C79185660201A86C@mailsrv.freedomforum.org> Hi- I am interested in your service and have looked at your website, but was wondering what the cost of installation is? Could you email me back with some info? Thanks, Andrea V.Danti From lindsey at mallorn.com Thu Jan 18 22:04:40 2001 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:04:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PGP for Mailman In-Reply-To: <3A66D9DA.9FEFDBD@lundman.net>; from lundman@lundman.net on Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 11:56:10AM +0000 References: <3A66D9DA.9FEFDBD@lundman.net> Message-ID: <20010118150440.F4881@mallorn.com> > Always wanted to have a mailing-list handler that could optionally use > PGP :) > > * So that users subscribed could (optionally) send in their public PGP > key, and have all emails delivered to them from then on encoded. > > * Ask the server for its public key so mails could be sent to the list > encrypted > > * Optional Header keywords in emails to specify delivery of mail to > users only with PGP keys specified. > > But perhaps I'll just be flamed for such an idea... :) I think it's a good idea... Sympa (www.sympa.org) does this via S/MIME encryption with X509 certificates... Chris From marc_news at valinux.com Thu Jan 18 21:12:51 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:12:51 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie feature request In-Reply-To: <20010114123741.C5599@tc.niof.net>; from rick@niof.net on Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 12:37:41PM -0500 References: <20010114123741.C5599@tc.niof.net> Message-ID: <20010119071251.G1651@gandalf.linux.conf.au> On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 12:37:41PM -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote: > I've been bitten again. > > I normally run junkbuster so cookies are turned off. Can mailman check > for this situation and alert that cookies are not functioning instead of > just asking again for the name/password with no indication of why? Actually, better: I'm not a cookie expert, but I think that some cookies are saved on disk and other cookies (session cookies?) are kept in memory and lost when the browser is closed. Junkbuster does let session cookies through apparently. Would it be possible for mailman to issue a session cookie if the regular cookie didn't go through? Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From cjones at ecmarket.com Thu Jan 18 23:01:05 2001 From: cjones at ecmarket.com (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:01:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman Message-ID: <3A6767A1.6010406@ecmarket.com> I've encountered a problem with mailman and postfix that I'm having a hard time troubleshooting becuase I'm not getting any errors from syslog. If I enter my email address and password through the web interface to subscribe to a new list I get mail asking me to reply as a confirmation, but after I reply I don't getting any thing back telling me that I'm on the list. And if I go into the maillog all it says is: Jan 18 13:52:13 hummer postfix/local[28502]: 5934B5F105: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2") Any help would be a appreciated. Thanks. -- chris jones network administrator, ecmarket (www.ecmarket.com) cjones at ecmarket.com - 604.638.2300 x 111 From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Jan 18 23:01:11 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:01:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] So all you people that wanted autoreject... Message-ID: <3A6767A7.96C262CC@west.sun.com> ...give me some feedback on my solution. From cjones at ecmarket.com Fri Jan 19 03:18:00 2001 From: cjones at ecmarket.com (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:18:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman Message-ID: <3A67A3D8.6080200@ecmarket.com> I've encountered a problem with mailman and postfix that I'm having a hard time troubleshooting becuase I'm not getting any errors from syslog. If I enter my email address and password through the web interface to subscribe to a new list I get mail asking me to reply as a confirmation, but after I reply I don't getting any thing back telling me that I'm on the list. And if I go into the maillog all it says is: Jan 18 13:52:13 hummer postfix/local[28502]: 5934B5F105: to= , relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2") Any help would be a appreciated. Thanks. -- chris jones network administrator, ecmarket (www.ecmarket.com) cjones at ecmarket.com - 604.638.2300 x 111 From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Jan 19 04:11:28 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:11:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cost of service Message-ID: <200101190309.TAA14308@utopia.west.sun.com> "mailman-users at python.org" is described at http://www.list.org/lists.html, and at the URL below. Please tell me how you think it involves some "service" or "cost of installation". > Hi- > I am interested in your service and have looked at your website, but was > wondering what the cost of installation is? Could you email me back with > some info? > Thanks, > Andrea V.Danti > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From arild.faxvaag at medisin.ntnu.no Thu Jan 18 23:13:30 2001 From: arild.faxvaag at medisin.ntnu.no (Arild Faxvaag) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:13:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use of Mailman in Scandinavia Message-ID: <071b01c0819b$e4832d90$53adf181@medisin.ntnu.no> Hi. I am considering using Mailman in a private network (for hospitals and primary care physician in Norway). In scandinavia, we have these characters ?, ? , ? and ?. How does these look like in a mailman webarchive? Regards Arild Faxvaag -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010118/935afe3e/attachment.html From cjones at ecmarket.com Thu Jan 18 23:45:32 2001 From: cjones at ecmarket.com (Chris Jones) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:45:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman Message-ID: <3A67720C.1010704@ecmarket.com> I've encountered a problem with mailman and postfix that I'm having a hard time troubleshooting becuase I'm not getting any errors from syslog. If I enter my email address and password through the web interface to subscribe to a new list I get mail asking me to reply as a confirmation, but after I reply I don't getting any thing back telling me that I'm on the list. And if I go into the maillog all it says is: Jan 18 13:52:13 hummer postfix/local[28502]: 5934B5F105: to= , relay=local, delay=0, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2") Any help would be a appreciated. Thanks. -- chris jones network administrator, ecmarket (www.ecmarket.com) cjones at ecmarket.com - 604.638.2300 x 111 From james at keppel.com.au Fri Jan 19 00:40:21 2001 From: james at keppel.com.au (James Groth) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:40:21 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many reciepients Message-ID: <004c01c081a8$0747aac0$3100a8c0@jamesg> Simple question, has anybody tried using mailman with millions of email addresses like around 10 million? Thanx James. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010119/f085dfaf/attachment.htm From claw at kanga.nu Fri Jan 19 04:54:44 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:54:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] performance/usage guidelines for Mailman In-Reply-To: Message from "Jim Saville" of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:12:46 EST." <000a01c08171$e4692f00$277ca8c0@topaz> References: <000a01c08171$e4692f00$277ca8c0@topaz> Message-ID: <1535.979876484@kanga.nu> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:12:46 -0500 Jim Saville wrote: > I am working with an organization which wants to run 5-20 lists > with most lists running about 2000 subscribers. An interesting statistic, which you miss, is the number of posts per day to a given list (of a given number of subscribers). This dictates what your mail loads will be. > I am planning on using a Pentium 133 with 228Mb RAM and a 4Gb hd > running RH6.2 Linux, Sendmail 8.9.3, and Mailman 2.0. While I'll grumble (I have to) about the selection of sendmail (I'd advocate Postfix od Exim instead), and you'll need to be careful to update and secure your Linux installation (RH 6.2 has a number of well known holes), yes, this will work fine for (fairly large thumb sucking sound) up to in the neighorhood of: 20 lists each with an average of 2,000 members, each receiving an average of 100 posts a day (2K inbound, 4M boutound, assuming 33% collapsing due to duplicate domains, 2.6M outbound) give or take 15%, and assuming excellent network connectivity, no real DNS troubles, (you'll want to run a local DNS cache -- I like DJBdns), a better choice of MTA, good tuning in general, etc. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From alex at phred.org Fri Jan 19 05:54:03 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:54:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] performance/usage guidelines for Mailman In-Reply-To: <000a01c08171$e4692f00$277ca8c0@topaz> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Jim Saville wrote: > Are there any guidelines for hardware/software configurations for > using the Mailman program. For example, I am working with an > organization which wants to run 5-20 lists with most lists running > about 2000 subscribers. I am planning on using a Pentium 133 with > 228Mb RAM and a 4Gb hd running RH6.2 Linux, Sendmail 8.9.3, and > Mailman 2.0. Is this an adequate configuration? Can someone supply > configuration guidelines? It is important to know the volume of your lists as well as their size. My Mailman machine is a Pentium-200 with 64megs of RAM and a couple of gigs of disk running FreeBSD. This machine has two very active lists (40-50msgs/day) of 600+ subscribers and a number of lower volume lists (10 or less msgs/day) of various numbers of subscribers. It seems to handle this load with no problems. My current bottleneck is my internet bandwidth, which sometimes bogs down when the lists are very busy. I'm current running a different machine as my MTA, but I've used Sendmail on this box as the MTA with similar load levels with no problems. I would guess that you'll be fine if your lists are low volume. alex From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jan 19 02:40:55 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:40:55 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime encoding ? In-Reply-To: ; from manolism@nicomedia.math.upatras.gr on Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 03:52:06PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20010119124055.K888@gandalf.linux.conf.au> On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 03:52:06PM +0200, manolism at nicomedia.math.upatras.gr wrote: > Is there a way to have binary attachments not encoded in the list > archives? Not with pipermail, the default archiver. If you change archivers, then yes. See the docs and this list archives for answers to your question. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From ipinneri at reference.be Fri Jan 19 10:22:30 2001 From: ipinneri at reference.be (Ivano Pinneri) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:22:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mutiple subscribe/unsubscribe texts Message-ID: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D90125A983@pathfinder.reference.be> Hiya, We have the problem (pleasure :) of using Mailman in a multilingual environment. That means we would like to give subscribe/unsubscribe messages in different languages depending on which list they subscribe to. So can you have different messages sent out depending on the mailing list? Is this easy, hard or "wait 'til 3.0"? Thanks [I v a n o] [GSM][+32][0][479][499557] ipinneri at reference.be From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Fri Jan 19 10:31:14 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:31:14 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] cookie feature request In-Reply-To: Message from Marc MERLIN of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:12:51 +1100." <20010119071251.G1651@gandalf.linux.conf.au> Message-ID: marc_news at valinux.com said: > Junkbuster does let session cookies through apparently. Not to my knowlege. It certainly doesn't by default and I have never seen a config to do that. > Would it be > possible for mailman to issue a session cookie if the regular cookie > didn't go through? The mailman cookie is phrased so that it should never be saved to disk - ie it is a session cookie rather than a permanent. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From arild.faxvaag at medisin.ntnu.no Fri Jan 19 11:23:21 2001 From: arild.faxvaag at medisin.ntnu.no (Arild Faxvaag) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:23:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?B?dGVzdCDmLCD4LCD0LCDl?= Message-ID: <07fb01c08201$d9d1fe10$53adf181@medisin.ntnu.no> ?, ?, ?, ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010119/2dd6a0b9/attachment.html From edelrio at icm.csic.es Fri Jan 19 11:32:10 2001 From: edelrio at icm.csic.es (Evilio del Rio) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:32:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] So all you people that wanted autoreject...(It was: Re: Reject non-member postings.) In-Reply-To: <3A6767A7.96C262CC@west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > ... (cut from previous replies) >Evilio del Rio wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Is there any way to configure a list to ALWAYS reject ANY non-member >> posting to a restricted list. I do not want them to be held for approval, >> just reject, full stop. > >Adding header patterns to SpamDetect.py is one way, although not trivial. >Adding "check for list membership" wouldn't be that hard, but it would >take some actual Python coding. I could see if I could hack something >like that up if there were sufficient interest. > >Proposal: a modification to SpamDetect.py to auto-reject, with no >reply message, mail from non-subscribers (on lists with "subscriber posting >only" set). Anyone besides Evilio dying for this? > ... >OK, well, this seems to work. I hacked up SpamDetect.py into a new >module, grabbed code from Hold.py to get the sender and look for the >member_posting_only option, and do a similar rejection trick to >SpamDetect >for throwing the message away. It also logs a message to >~mailman/logs/discard every time it rejects a non-subscriber post, so you >can see that it's working. >... > > ....give me some feedback on my solution. > Hi Mick, Thank you for your interest and your solution. I didn't test it yet because two reasons (correct me if I am wrong): a) It puts the rejection mode for all the site and not on a list-by-list basis. b) It conflicts with another patch to mailman (Hold.py) that we have here that converts the 'posters' setting into a regular expression (this was done to allow a members-posters-only meta-list). I think that the right way is: a) To create a setting for the lists called 'non_members_post_action' (or similar) with three possible values ('Hold for approval', 'Reject' and 'Discard'). b) To incorporate this action in the present message path (maybe this should be the caller of Hold.py) I would like to work on this but I would appreciare any help because I am not an expert in python. And maybe it's time to change this discussion to the developers list (so I post to it also). Tia, ________________________________________________________________ Evilio Jose del Rio Silvan Institut de Ciencies del Mar edelrio at icm.csic.es http://members.es.tripod.de/Evilio/ "Something touched me deep inside the day the music died" - D. McLean From claw at kanga.nu Fri Jan 19 11:52:51 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:52:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use of Mailman in Scandinavia In-Reply-To: Message from "Arild Faxvaag" of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:13:30 +0100." <071b01c0819b$e4832d90$53adf181@medisin.ntnu.no> References: <071b01c0819b$e4832d90$53adf181@medisin.ntnu.no> Message-ID: <30002.979901571@kanga.nu> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:13:30 +0100 Arild Faxvaag wrote: > How does these look like in a mailman webarchive? Bad. You are going to need to use an external archiver that correctly processes MIME and international charactersets, such as MHonArc. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From PBoshoff at mweb.com Fri Jan 19 13:58:52 2001 From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:58:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives? Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FE9B2@za14nt02.mweb.com> Hi, I'd like to know if it is possible for viewing the list archives via the Web be restricted to list members only. Two reasons: 1. Reduces trawling for addresses by spammers - although Mailman can be set to hide the email nature of these, that's done in a standard way which is easily detectable by any decent trawler. 2. Forum members have always been able to fetch past digests for perusal, and unsubscribed people haven't. I believe this has contributed positively to the nature of the forum, and I think it helps to explain the differences between the forum and the (in my view) appalling on-Web fora the M&G runs; and I think those differences are worth preserving. Pieter Boshoff Unix Admin <<...OLE_Obj...>> +27 11 3407256 +27 083 6004095 From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Fri Jan 19 10:21:42 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:51:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] In-Reply-To: <3A6767A7.96C262CC@west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Jan 18, 2001 at 14:01, Dan Mick wrote: >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] So all you people that wanted autoreject... > >...give me some feedback on my solution. And all you people who wanted unsubscribe without passwords ... :-) -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see I can't believe my computer's on fire. From margy at gurus.com Fri Jan 19 15:16:18 2001 From: margy at gurus.com (Margaret Levine Young) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:16:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of list configuration Message-ID: <4.1.20010119090426.00ad6bc0@mail.iecc.com> I'm one of the site managers of a ListProc site that may be moving to MailMan. (I'm the person who holds the list managers' and subscribers' hands.) We have almost 200 lists with about 16,000 subscribers total. I would like to be able to find out all the lists that are managed by a particular manager, all the lists that are moderated, all the list that are set to allow non-subscribers to post, all the closed lists, all the lists that have had configuration changes in the last week -- you get the picture. I want to query the database of list configuration data. I'm looking for ideas for how best to do this. Right now I have a demented system that sends e-mail to ListProc, gets list configuration reports back, and reads the e-mail messages from Eudora into a Microsoft Access database. I'd like to switch to a Linux-based system. I'm thinking of learning Python, Perl, or Tcl, learning how the list configuration info is stored by MailMan, and writing some scripts to read the configuration data, summarize it, and create reports in HTML. Does that sound right? Is there a more sensible way? Thanks in advance for your help! If I produce anything remotely useful, I'll be happy to share it. Margy Levine Young Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" and "Poor Richard's Building Online Communities" . Looking for kids' videos? Check out From mailman at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us Fri Jan 19 16:24:06 2001 From: mailman at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:24:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] You don't have permission to access Message-ID: I have installed Mailman with the Redhat rpm, and configured everything, but I get a Forbidden: You don't have permission to access error when I go to mysite/mailman/ I have tried various settings for users and group ownership of the cgi files, but can't seem to get it to work. Any suggestions? Mike From schnippel at forumone.com Fri Jan 19 17:08:51 2001 From: schnippel at forumone.com (Greg Schnippel) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:08:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changes log available? Message-ID: I'm trying to find a list of the changes that have been made between two versions of Mailman.. We upgraded our current version of Mailman to the 2.0 Final release and now need to justify the upgrade to our client (??!!?!) so I was hoping there was a list of the patches that were implemented in the newer version. Thanks, Greg From esper at sherohman.org Fri Jan 19 17:58:52 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:58:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie feature request In-Reply-To: <20010119071251.G1651@gandalf.linux.conf.au>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 07:12:51AM +1100 References: <20010114123741.C5599@tc.niof.net> <20010119071251.G1651@gandalf.linux.conf.au> Message-ID: <20010119105852.E13530@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 07:12:51AM +1100, Marc MERLIN wrote: > Junkbuster does let session cookies through apparently. I use Junkbuster and have seen no evidence of this. It allows cookies to be set by sites I tell it are allowed to set them and no others. Period. > Would it be possible for mailman to issue a session cookie if the regular > cookie didn't go through? Based on the observed behaviour of Mailman, it appears to me that it uses session cookies only. (If I shut down Netscape and restart it, I have to log back in to Mailman. That's how session cookies act.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From ejc at twcny.rr.com Fri Jan 19 18:18:40 2001 From: ejc at twcny.rr.com (elly) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:18:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman help needed (please please please) Message-ID: Greetings, I am trying to get Mailman to work. I have read through the common problems, FAQ's, and have followed all the INSTALL and README.SENDMAIL instructions and created a symbolic link in /etc/smrsh ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper But I am continuing to get smrsh "service unavailable" errors. I am using Linux RH 7.0 with Apache and Sendmail. Python 1.5 is installed. I have attached the tail of the /var/log/maillog file as a text file. ------------------- The original message was received at Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:45:54 -0500 from exchange.cs.cornell.edu [128.84.97.8] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper_mailcmd_test" (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper_mailcmd_test not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper_mailcmd_test"... Service unavailable ----------------- The professor I am doing this for is very anxious to get this up and running for a release of OpenArchives.org next week. I would be very grateful for any help you can provide. Thank you, elly ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ellen J. Cramer Digital Libraries Research Computer Science Cornell University -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: maillog.txt Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010119/13441091/attachment.txt From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Fri Jan 19 18:27:49 2001 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:27:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and NNTP Server? Message-ID: System: I have a new Mailman installation (not modified at all) and a new DNEWS (nntp server) installation. I want my Mailman/NNTP postings to "work" with each other. Like, when you send an email to a Mailman list I want it to post to the nntp group automagically and vice versa. Is this normal? I haven't done it yet and don't really know where to start. Please reply directly as I do not know if my list subscription is working yet (i just resubscribed). -robert From katie at scs.agilent.com Fri Jan 19 20:18:54 2001 From: katie at scs.agilent.com (Katherine Dukelow) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:18:54 PST Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive creation Message-ID: <200101191918.LAA17100@charm.scs.agilent.com> Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to manually add messages to a list archive. Any ideas? Thanks, Katie From Thomas at travelhacker.com Fri Jan 19 20:44:50 2001 From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (Thomas at travelhacker.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:44:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual host needed In-Reply-To: <20010119042002.37552101CE@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010119114216.03f349f0@travelhacker.com> I need a virtual host that has Mailman. Thanks. Thomas From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Fri Jan 19 23:04:33 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:04:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of list configuration References: <4.1.20010119090426.00ad6bc0@mail.iecc.com> Message-ID: <3A68B9F1.73136EE7@west.sun.com> The only easy interface for retrieving that sort of info now is something like bin/config_list or bin/dumpdb, followed by a "grep" for the item you're looking for. It's enough to extract the info from Mailman, but it requires significant script hackery to do the sorts of extracts you want to do. Margaret Levine Young wrote: > > I'm one of the site managers of a ListProc site that may be moving to > MailMan. (I'm the person who holds the list managers' and subscribers' > hands.) We have almost 200 lists with about 16,000 subscribers total. > > I would like to be able to find out all the lists that are managed by a > particular manager, all the lists that are moderated, all the list that are > set to allow non-subscribers to post, all the closed lists, all the lists > that have had configuration changes in the last week -- you get the > picture. I want to query the database of list configuration data. > > I'm looking for ideas for how best to do this. Right now I have a demented > system that sends e-mail to ListProc, gets list configuration reports back, > and reads the e-mail messages from Eudora into a Microsoft Access database. > I'd like to switch to a Linux-based system. I'm thinking of learning > Python, Perl, or Tcl, learning how the list configuration info is stored by > MailMan, and writing some scripts to read the configuration data, summarize > it, and create reports in HTML. Does that sound right? Is there a more > sensible way? > > Thanks in advance for your help! If I produce anything remotely useful, > I'll be happy to share it. > > Margy Levine Young > Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" and "Poor > Richard's Building Online Communities" . Looking > for kids' videos? Check out > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ctwyrth at infiniteidentity.com Fri Jan 19 22:01:49 2001 From: ctwyrth at infiniteidentity.com (C. Thomas Wyrth) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:01:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Mac OS X (darwin) Message-ID: Hey all! I'm trying to find out if anyone has set up and successfully used Mailman on a Mac OS X Server system. The Mailman page on the GNU website says it will run on most "Un*x like" systems, but I haven't seen anything to say that covers Darwin (Apple's implementation of the Unix kernel). I do know that Mailman is powering the users listfor the Mac OS X Server discussion group off of Apple's website, but I can't find any details (even from calling) as to what type of machine they are running it on. Anyone who knows exactly, details would be appreciated. I don't need it to run any huge lists, just a few short company ones. If it matters, I'd be installing it on a G4 500, with 512MB RAM, a 36GB ultra scsi2 HD, running OS X Server v1.2, which is currently the web server (running Apache 1.3.9) for my company. It is integrated with another G4 500 machine running AppleShare IP 6.3.1, which serves as our mail server. Thanks -- C. THOMAS WYRTH Account Executive, Infinite Identity ctwyrth at infiniteidentity.com http://www.infiniteidentity.com (860) 257-4837 (860) 721-8041 FAX 25 Farmstead Rd. Wethersfield, CT 06109 -- From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 20 03:55:14 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:55:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site Admin vs List Admin Message-ID: <3A68FE12.EE78CE2F@pcraft.com> Probably simple enough question, but: If I login to the admin page of one of my lists, using the _site-admin_ password, and I decide to change the admin password at the bottom of that screen, what is it changing? The list-admin password, or the site-admin password? AMK4 -- H | Hi, I'm currently out of my mind. Please leave a message. BEEEEP! |____________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . eFax 248.671.0909 http://www.pcraft.com . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 .................. . . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 20 04:01:38 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site Admin vs List Admin (D'oph!) Message-ID: <3A68FF92.A162C5F0@pcraft.com> I just realized something - I can't change the list-admin password without knowing the old one. Okay, so how do I do that? One of the admins forgot her password to log in, how do I reset this for her? AMK4 -- H | Hi, I'm currently out of my mind. Please leave a message. BEEEEP! |____________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . eFax 248.671.0909 http://www.pcraft.com . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 .................. . . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Sat Jan 20 04:09:02 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:09:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site Admin vs List Admin Message-ID: <200101200307.TAA29093@utopia.west.sun.com> > From: "Ashley M. Kirchner" > If I login to the admin page of one of my lists, using the > _site-admin_ password, and I decide to change the admin password at the > bottom of that screen, what is it changing? The list-admin password, or > the site-admin password? list password. The only way to change the site password is with bin/mmsitepass. From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Sat Jan 20 04:20:59 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:20:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site Admin vs List Admin (D'oph!) Message-ID: <200101200319.TAA29478@utopia.west.sun.com> > I just realized something - I can't change the list-admin password > without knowing the old one. Yes you can. > Okay, so how do I do that? One of the > admins forgot her password to log in, how do I reset this for her? Use the site password. Anywhere the list password or a user password will work, so will the site password. For just this reason. From marc_news at valinux.com Sat Jan 20 02:33:02 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:33:02 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] cookie feature request In-Reply-To: ; from Nigel.Metheringham@InTechnology.co.uk on Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:31:14AM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20010120123302.C888@gandalf.linux.conf.au> On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:31:14AM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > > marc_news at valinux.com said: > > Junkbuster does let session cookies through apparently. > > Not to my knowlege. It certainly doesn't by default and I have never > seen a config to do that. Mmmh, then I have to figure out why junkbuster does let some cookies through when the from site definitely isn't in my allowed list of cookie sites (I had assume that junkbuster might allow cookies that aren't saved to disk) > > Would it be > > possible for mailman to issue a session cookie if the regular cookie > > didn't go through? > > The mailman cookie is phrased so that it should never be saved to disk > - ie it is a session cookie rather than a permanent. Ok, so I have another problem then, never mind about what I said :-) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From midnight at the-oasis.net Sat Jan 20 05:58:05 2001 From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem user Message-ID: <3A68D48D.5209.444647F5@localhost> How do I stop a problem user fron resubscribing after I kick them off? I have a user that has an endlessly full mailbox, causing lots of bounces and loops. I remove him, he resubs. I have blocked him in my qmail badmailfrom list, but that doesn't keep him from using the web interface to subscribe, but it keeps him from replying to the subscription notification. Is there a better way? -- Phil Barnett mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net WWW http://www.the-oasis.net/ FTP Site ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Sat Jan 20 06:14:04 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem user Message-ID: <200101200512.VAA03509@utopia.west.sun.com> Well, you could set subscription method to "approve", and just keep rejecting him until he gives up... > How do I stop a problem user fron resubscribing after I kick them > off? I have a user that has an endlessly full mailbox, causing lots of > bounces and loops. I remove him, he resubs. I have blocked him in > my qmail badmailfrom list, but that doesn't keep him from using the > web interface to subscribe, but it keeps him from replying to the > subscription notification. Is there a better way? From soros_gergely at nextra.hu Sat Jan 20 06:21:11 2001 From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 06:21:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] References: Message-ID: <002801c082ae$b27b0160$5302a3d5@newbie> From: "Satya" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:21 AM > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] So all you people that wanted autoreject... > > > >...give me some feedback on my solution. > > And all you people who wanted unsubscribe without passwords ... :-) I've set up your Perl solution without problems on a test site and it worked okay. On the live site I'm still using the shell script by Bob Puff at NLE as our current problem is not the lack of the confirmation system but the following: many people are sending their messages to listname-unsubscribe at domain from a different address than what they are subscribed as. Of course they don't auto-receive any feedback when the action has failed, only the mail user receives Mailman's standard "problems with the email commands" message. As a temp solution I'm manually sending instructions to re-send the message from the proper address (which is confusing for them as well, they have to check the headers of the list post mail...). Anyway, the dream-unsubscribe-script would first check the list db, if the addrss is there, send the confirm message otherwise send one with the instructions. I know this could get difficult and probably involve too much work, pls tell me your thoughts. Gergely From david at kenpro.com.au Sat Jan 20 08:25:29 2001 From: david at kenpro.com.au (David) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 18:25:29 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] script in /etc/aliases Message-ID: Using RH linux, sendmail, mailman 2.0 I have a script set up in my /etc/aliases file thus: ## forum mailing list ## created: December 2000 mailman forum: "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post forum" ...... and the mail sent to this address bounces like this: *************************************** ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post forum" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: cannot use | in command 554 "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post forum"... Service unavailable *************************************** Alex, who wrote the script, says it works on FreeBSD. Can anyone suggest why it may not work on linux? I've also tried it with spaces around the pipe. TIA, David. (for the record, the script strips mime attachments.. it's at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl) From Zulfan at kompascyber.com Sun Jan 21 02:20:59 2001 From: Zulfan at kompascyber.com (hadi f) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:20:59 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] DimitriCyrus@netscape.net Message-ID: <000a01c08348$6bfcfdc0$6ffd92ca@iloc> subscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010121/cd3eb99d/attachment.html From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Sun Jan 21 02:54:10 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 07:24:10 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] In-Reply-To: <002801c082ae$b27b0160$5302a3d5@newbie> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2001 at 06:21, Gergely Soros wrote: >From: "Satya" >> And all you people who wanted unsubscribe without passwords ... :-) >[...] our current problem is not the lack of the >confirmation system but the following: many people are sending their >messages to listname-unsubscribe at domain from a different address than >what they are subscribed as. Of course they don't auto-receive any feedback >when the action has failed, only the mail user receives Mailman's standard >"problems with the email commands" message. As a temp solution I'm This happens with my Perl mailman wrapper? >of the list post mail...). Anyway, the dream-unsubscribe-script would first >check the list db, if the addrss is there, send the confirm message otherwise >send one with the instructions. I know this could get difficult and probably >involve too much work, pls tell me your thoughts. This is simple enough, we can use bin/list_members and search that. The problem lies in getting access to the data. mailman home directory has permissions which are too loose for procmail. No other user has the permissions to access the list config files. One could have a mailman-owned cron job put all that data into a database, and the scripts can then read the data from there. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see LOTUS - Let only the users suffer From soros_gergely at nextra.hu Sun Jan 21 03:52:42 2001 From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:52:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] References: Message-ID: <004601c08355$4b3fb8e0$0f02a3d5@newbie> From: "Satya" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 2:54 AM > >[...] many people are sending their > >messages to listname-unsubscribe at domain from a different address than > >what they are subscribed as. Of course they don't auto-receive any feedback > >when the action has failed, only the mail user receives Mailman's standard > >"problems with the email commands" message. As a temp solution I'm > > This happens with my Perl mailman wrapper? No, with the shell script, gotta reinstall your Perl wrapper to see how it reacts... > > >of the list post mail...). Anyway, the dream-unsubscribe-script would first > >check the list db, if the addrss is there, send the confirm message otherwise > >send one with the instructions. I know this could get difficult and probably > >involve too much work, pls tell me your thoughts. > > This is simple enough, we can use bin/list_members and search that. The > problem lies in getting access to the data. mailman home directory has > permissions which are too loose for procmail. No other user has the > permissions to access the list config files. > > One could have a mailman-owned cron job put all that data into a database, > and the scripts can then read the data from there. Actually we do have a root-owned daily cron job that dumps members of all lists to files for backup, we could duplicate these files and chown them so the Perl script can either copy the members to MySQL or grep the files in realtime when a request arrives (this can take awhile with lists of 10.000 ??). The MySQL solution is probably safer, we can lock the db when updating the lists. Interesting! By the way, am I the only person on Earth with list members who are having trouble using the passwords to unsubscribe? Or am I the only one who got tired of manually unsubscribing these problem users? Gergely From ray at hinesfamily.com Sat Jan 20 23:05:19 2001 From: ray at hinesfamily.com (Raymond Hines III) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:00:19 -0005 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman attributes In-Reply-To: <004601c08355$4b3fb8e0$0f02a3d5@newbie> Message-ID: <3A6A0A73.20345.9DFA44@localhost> Folks, I have doggedly searched through all the FAQs and documentation for Mailman and have failed in my mission to find a list of all the attributes you can use in MailMan. For example, I'd like to know the attribute keyword for, say, a subscriber's email address to use in a template. Anyone have a list of it? Thanks, Ray From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Sun Jan 21 04:54:02 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:54:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman attributes References: <3A6A0A73.20345.9DFA44@localhost> Message-ID: <3A6A5D5A.A474DBE4@west.sun.com> Raymond Hines III wrote: > > Folks, > > I have doggedly searched through all the FAQs and documentation for > Mailman and have failed in my mission to find a list of all the attributes you > can use in MailMan. > > For example, I'd like to know the attribute keyword for, say, a subscriber's > email address to use in a template. > > Anyone have a list of it? Some are listed on the pages to which you can apply edits (see, for instance, mailman/admin//?VARHELP=nondigest/msg_footer). "a subscriber's email address" appears in no substitute list, because that would imply, as has been discussed to death here, that every message was custom per subscriber, which destroys the economies of scale involved in a mailing list. If you want to do something like "send a mail to every subscriber", it's relatively easy to make a shell script that does that using bin/list_members to get the member names (I do this every so often to remind 'disabled' users to re-enable themselves if their mailbox is now empty again). From ray at hinesfamily.com Sun Jan 21 00:27:24 2001 From: ray at hinesfamily.com (Raymond Hines III) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:22:24 -0005 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman attributes In-Reply-To: <3A6A5D5A.A474DBE4@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3A6A1DB0.22032.E920BC@localhost> ---> Not too long ago, Dan Mick said: > "a subscriber's email address" appears in no substitute list, because that would > imply, as has been discussed to death here, that every message was custom per > subscriber, which destroys the economies of scale involved in a mailing list. If > you want to do something like "send a mail to every subscriber", it's relatively > easy to make a shell script that does that using bin/list_members to get the > member names (I do this every so often to remind 'disabled' users to re-enable > themselves if their mailbox is now empty again). Ah. I was looking for a way to put in the footer below something like: "Your subscribed email address is: ray at hinesfamily.com" Quite a few unsubs are folks who are trying to unsub different email addresses and don't know which ones are part of our list. I know, I know... clueless, but... :) Thanks, Ray From david at kenpro.com.au Sun Jan 21 08:58:22 2001 From: david at kenpro.com.au (David) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:58:22 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] trimming archives Message-ID: I have just set up a new list, and have a number of test messages in the archive that I would rather weren't there. Is there an easy way to do this - ie, selectively delete threads or messages? David. From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Sun Jan 21 09:04:26 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:04:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trimming archives References: Message-ID: <3A6A980A.50E69757@west.sun.com> David wrote: > > I have just set up a new list, and have a number of test messages in the > archive that I would rather weren't there. > > Is there an easy way to do this - ie, selectively delete threads or > messages? Depends on what you mean by easy, but you can just edit the .mbox file, delete the archives, and run bin/arch to regenerate them. From david at kenpro.com.au Sun Jan 21 10:01:32 2001 From: david at kenpro.com.au (David) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:01:32 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] trimming archives In-Reply-To: <3A6A980A.50E69757@west.sun.com> Message-ID: Does this mean that every thing is built based on the mbox file, in my case: /archives/private/forum.mbox/forum.mbox ? If I edit the offending emails from that file, do I then run mailman at host ~$ rm -rf /home/mailman/archives/private/forum/* mailman at host ~$ /bin/arch forum /archives/private/forum.mbox/forum.mbox Sorry to be pedantic, but I don't want to lose the archive that I need to keep by making a dumb mistake. Many thanks... David On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > David wrote: > > > > I have just set up a new list, and have a number of test messages in the > > archive that I would rather weren't there. > > > > Is there an easy way to do this - ie, selectively delete threads or > > messages? > > Depends on what you mean by easy, but you can just edit the .mbox file, > delete the archives, and run bin/arch to regenerate them. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Sun Jan 21 05:11:02 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:41:02 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] In-Reply-To: <004601c08355$4b3fb8e0$0f02a3d5@newbie> Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2001 at 03:52, Gergely Soros wrote: >By the way, am I the only person on Earth with list members who are having >trouble using the passwords to unsubscribe? Or am I the only one who got tired >of manually unsubscribing these problem users? You're not the only one. "How do I set mailman to not use passwords?" used to be an FAQ. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see ebius tagline. This is a moebius tagline. This is a mo From matt at thoene.net Sun Jan 21 17:39:02 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:39:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman lists to new server Message-ID: Hello, I have MailMan running perfectly on our web server. Unfortunately the server needs a total overhaul which includes a re-install of the OS (RedHat 6.2). After I complete the re-install of RH and MailMan, what is the best way to get my MailMan files and info back on this box? Is it just a copy over of the '/home/mailman/lists' directory? Thanks. -Matt From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Sun Jan 21 19:43:11 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:13:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks files in the locks directory Message-ID: Am I supposed to remove old (older than a day) lockfiles from the locks/ directory? I've got: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 65 Jan 13 10:43 .lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Jan 13 22:50 Engrs.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Jan 13 22:50 GRE.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mail mailman 75 Dec 11 23:10 engrs.archiver.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mail mailman 71 Jan 9 23:15 gre.archiver.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 82 Oct 6 07:44 tsec-placement.archiver.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mail mailman 72 Jan 10 23:07 tsec.archiver.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 73 Aug 15 00:04 tseccommittees.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mail mailman 86 Nov 2 00:04 tseccommittees2000.archiver.lock -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see My other computer is a HAL 9000. From vanhorn at whidbey.com Mon Jan 22 09:38:08 2001 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:38:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Out-of-office replies References: Message-ID: <3A6BF170.7B610B78@whidbey.com> One of my Majordomo lists recently went nuts because of a subscriber who left town with an autoreply in place, one that responded to every incoming message. Obviously, such a feedback loop had quite an impact - luckily I caught it in less than two hours when "only" 114 of these messages had been sent out from the list. I've had the same thing happen in the distant past with a Mercury list. Does Mailman provide any protection from this? Van From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Mon Jan 22 10:38:15 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:38:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman attributes In-Reply-To: Message from "Raymond Hines III" of "Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:22:24 -0005." <3A6A1DB0.22032.E920BC@localhost> Message-ID: ray at hinesfamily.com said: > Ah. I was looking for a way to put in the footer below something like: > "Your subscribed email address is: ray at hinesfamily.com" > Quite a few unsubs are folks who are trying to unsub different email > addresses and don't know which ones are part of our list. I know, I > know... clueless, but... Thats one of the best reasons for having the monthly reminder messages :-) Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Mon Jan 22 12:30:41 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:00:41 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks files in the locks directory In-Reply-To: <3A6BFB56.F0EF7F4F@west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2001 at 01:20, Dan Mick wrote: >They shouldn't be a problem, but also shouldn't be around; I'd check >logs/error and see if you can see anything going wrong. -rw-rw-r-- 1 mail mailman 290 May 25 2000 bounce -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12715 Jan 18 01:15 digest -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 19426 Dec 4 14:34 error -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 70565 May 29 2000 fromusenet -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 334082 Jan 13 22:51 locks -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 674 Jan 18 01:15 post -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 131643 Jan 21 07:15 smtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 25612 Jan 21 07:15 subscribe -rw-rw-r-- 1 mail mailman 3314 Jan 18 01:10 vette logs/error hasn't been touched in a while. >Satya wrote: >> Am I supposed to remove old (older than a day) lockfiles from the locks/ >> directory? I've got: -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Sector not found (A)bort, (R)etry, (C)offee? From cht at ccil.org Mon Jan 22 22:59:59 2001 From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:59:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome messages Message-ID: Hi, I am admin for a set of small lists between 20 and 300 members. As I tried to improve the welcome message it became too long and I wondered if there was a way that there could be several automated messages that would go out at day 1 day 3 and day 5 for example. Is this possible? Del From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Mon Jan 22 18:07:15 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:37:15 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2001 at 09:02, Harold Paulson wrote: >I don't think that there is any requirement for the mailman user's >home dir to be the directory in which the mailman software was >installed. Couldn't you keep the mailman home dir somewhere like >"/home/mailman" and the actual install dir somewhere like >"/usr/local/mailman". Hmm. I never thought of that. OTOH, I, and perhaps many others, have installed mailman in /home/mailman. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see Due to circumstances beyond our control, we regret to inform you that circumstances are beyond our control. --Paul Benoit From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Mon Jan 22 18:32:43 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:02:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2001 at 07:24, Satya wrote: >One could have a mailman-owned cron job put all that data into a database, >and the scripts can then read the data from there. This is done, get MailmanWrapper 0.3 (-password +confirm) from http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see DOS never says excellent command or filename... From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 22 20:01:06 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:01:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Out-of-office replies In-Reply-To: Message from "G. Armour Van Horn" of "Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:38:08 PST." <3A6BF170.7B610B78@whidbey.com> References: <3A6BF170.7B610B78@whidbey.com> Message-ID: <14155.980190066@kanga.nu> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:38:08 -0800 G Armour Van Horn wrote: > One of my Majordomo lists recently went nuts because of a > subscriber who left town with an autoreply in place, one that > responded to every incoming message. Obviously, such a feedback > loop had quite an impact - luckily I caught it in less than two > hours when "only" 114 of these messages had been sent out from the > list. I've had the same thing happen in the distant past with a > Mercury list. It is amazing how many vacation implementation are written by the (hopefully terminally) clueless. > Does Mailman provide any protection from this? Unless the vacation program quotes back the message it is reponding to, it is difficult for Mailman to distinguish between a vacation loop and am active poster. That said, implementing something like Formail's MsgID cache for Mailman, except instead of cacheing MessageIDs cacheing MD5's of message bodies might be a good idea... -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 22 20:03:55 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:03:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] In-Reply-To: Message from Satya of "Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:37:15 +0530." References: Message-ID: <14267.980190235@kanga.nu> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:37:15 +0530 (IST) Satya wrote: > Hmm. I never thought of that. OTOH, I, and perhaps many others, > have installed mailman in /home/mailman. Some of us have Mailman splattered all over the filesystem in attempt to honour the FHS: binaries in /usr/bin, logs in /var/log, list setups under /var/lib, CGIs under /usr/lib/cgi-bin, etc. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From fundamyf at andinanet.net Mon Jan 22 20:15:29 2001 From: fundamyf at andinanet.net (fundamyf) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:15:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] alianza Message-ID: <000801c084a7$b00caf00$de15fea9@fundamyf> hola somos gaia ecuador integrantes de la alianza esperamos estar en contacto con ustedes a trav?s de esta red somos parte del grupo geocultural ecuador y nuestros temas de inter?s prioritario son cosmovisi?n andina, pedagog?a holistica, bioarquitectura, literatura y arte y planificaci?n participativa un saludo diego velasco andrade coordinador -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lindsey) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:19:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Out-of-office replies In-Reply-To: <14155.980190066@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 11:01:06AM -0800 References: <3A6BF170.7B610B78@whidbey.com> <14155.980190066@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20010122131945.C1022@mallorn.com> > Unless the vacation program quotes back the message it is reponding > to, it is difficult for Mailman to distinguish between a vacation > loop and am active poster. That said, implementing something like > Formail's MsgID cache for Mailman, except instead of cacheing > MessageIDs cacheing MD5's of message bodies might be a good idea... All of my messages have an X-MD5SUM: header added, so doing this with formail is easy... Just use this instead of the traditional formail -D line: formail -RX-MD5SUM: From: -R "" A -rD 8192 idcache If you don't have an X-MD5SUM: header, you could add one. Here's the whole blob, including the formail test to see if a message is a duplicate: :0 * B ?? ()^^\/((.*$)*|.*) { MD5SUM=`echo $MATCH | /usr/bin/md5sum` :0 * MD5SUM ?? ()^^\/................................ { MD5SUM = "$MATCH" } :0 fhw | formail -I"X-MD5SUM: $MD5SUM" } :0 Whc: msgid.lock | formail -RX-MD5SUM: From: -R "" A -rD 8192 md5sum.cache # Message-Id: was in the cache, so bounce the message to the admin :0 a ! admin at example.com Chris From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Mon Jan 22 20:46:59 2001 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] alianza Message-ID: Yeah, beans & burritos to you too... :) -----Original Message----- From: fundamyf [mailto:fundamyf at andinanet.net] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:15 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] alianza hola somos gaia ecuador integrantes de la alianza esperamos estar en contacto con ustedes a trav?s de esta red somos parte del grupo geocultural ecuador y nuestros temas de inter?s prioritario son cosmovisi?n andina, pedagog?a holistica, bioarquitectura, literatura y arte y planificaci?n participativa un saludo diego velasco andrade coordinador -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010122/8e063971/attachment.html From tpot at linuxcare.com.au Mon Jan 22 21:01:22 2001 From: tpot at linuxcare.com.au (Tim Potter) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:01:22 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Out-of-office replies In-Reply-To: <20010122131945.C1022@mallorn.com> References: <3A6BF170.7B610B78@whidbey.com> <14155.980190066@kanga.nu> <20010122131945.C1022@mallorn.com> Message-ID: <14956.37266.828577.500842@stamp-collection.linuxcare.com.au> Christopher P. Lindsey writes: > > Unless the vacation program quotes back the message it is reponding > > to, it is difficult for Mailman to distinguish between a vacation > > loop and am active poster. That said, implementing something like > > Formail's MsgID cache for Mailman, except instead of cacheing > > MessageIDs cacheing MD5's of message bodies might be a good idea... I have some filters set up to catch things like this but it doesn't work 100% of the time, especially on the French and German out of office auto replies. Unfortunately I don't think there is any foolproof method of catching them. The correct solution is for mailman to mark the messages as Precedence: bulk, which it does, and for the vacation software to not reply to messages marked as such. There is a lot of dodgy software out there that doesn't conform to this though. The sad thing is mailman also sets the errors-to header to point at the admin address so vacation software that replies to list mail and sends it to the list is doubly broken. I usually send a message off to people who have spammed the list with their replies and then manaully bounce them. Tim. From klaus at mueller.sh Mon Jan 22 22:10:24 2001 From: klaus at mueller.sh (Klaus =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=FCller?=) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:10:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <3A6CA1C0.7010409@mueller.sh> Is there any chance for the administrator, to define a list of email adresses to start with? This means, without the people having to subscribe. Thank you, Klaus Mueller From gears at netair.com Mon Jan 22 22:58:23 2001 From: gears at netair.com (Greg Gears) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:58:23 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <3A6CA1C0.7010409@mueller.sh> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010122155411.00ab9fa8@localhost> At 10:10 PM 1/22/2001 +0100, explained Klaus M?ller, >Is there any chance for the administrator, to define a list of email >adresses to start with? This means, without the people having to subscribe. > >Thank you, >Klaus Mueller Absolutely. As per the add_members help file: Add members to a list from the command line. Usage: add_members [-n ] [-d ] [-c ] [-w ] [-h] listname Where: --non-digest-members-file -n A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one address per line. This list of people become non-digest members. If is `-', read addresses from stdin. --digest-members-file -d Similar to above, but these people become digest members. --changes-msg= -c set whether or not to send the list members the `there's going to be big changes to your list' message. defaults to no. --welcome-msg= -w set whether or not to send the list members a welcome message, overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting is. --help -h Print this help message and exit. listname The name of the Mailman list you are adding members to. It must already exist. You must supply at least one of -n and -d options. At most one of the files can be `-'. -- Greg Gears gears at netair.com Never anthropomorphize computers. They hate that. From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Mon Jan 22 23:06:33 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:06:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <200101222204.OAA29865@utopia.west.sun.com> Of course. The admin can do this at any time, not just starting. There are interfaces for adding users through the web admin pages or from the command line (bin/add_members). You can send a welcome or not at subscribe time, and require confirmation or not by setting the appropriate list option before doing the subscribe. Did you look at the admin pages or bin/ at all before you asked this question? > Is there any chance for the administrator, to define a list of email > adresses to start with? This means, without the people having to subscribe. > > Thank you, > Klaus Mueller From gdinwiddie at min.net Tue Jan 23 03:33:58 2001 From: gdinwiddie at min.net (George Dinwiddie) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:33:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual host needed In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010119114216.03f349f0@travelhacker.com> from "Thomas@travelhacker.com" at Jan 19, 1 11:44:50 am Message-ID: <200101230233.VAA08620@min.net> Thomas, I use nethollywood.com and find they give me good value for the money. - George > Thomas at travelhacker.com said: > > I need a virtual host that has Mailman. Thanks. Thomas -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- George Dinwiddie gdinwiddie at alberg30.org The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in sailing. http://www.Alberg30.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From dzeiss at stud.uni-goettingen.de Tue Jan 23 09:24:32 2001 From: dzeiss at stud.uni-goettingen.de (Daniel Zeiss) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:24:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] high cpu and mem usage Message-ID: <29213774465.20010123092432@stud.uni-goettingen.de> Hello, I have troubles running mailman, as a very low traffic mailinglist system. top states: 24238 mailman 16 0 154M 89M 252 R 0 28.8 73.6 1:13 python thats 154M and 73.6 CPU % for doing ...nothing, because there are no emails coming thru the lists. This is on a Athlon 500 with 256 MB RAM. Can you tell me why mailman needs so much space and cpu usage, or is there an error somewhere (in my config / in mailman program)? Thanks! bye Daniel From zvrba at iskon.hr Tue Jan 23 14:10:38 2001 From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:10:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe approval... Message-ID: <20010123141038.E4590@iskon.hr> I have several mailing list with very important notifications. I would like that all unsubscription requests come to the list administrator(s). So that noone can remove himself from the list without administrator approval. Is that possible to do with Mailman (it was with Majordomo)? From rob at 2guyshosting.com Tue Jan 23 16:07:01 2001 From: rob at 2guyshosting.com (M. Robert Martin) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:07:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help deleting/editing a message from the archives In-Reply-To: <20010123141038.E4590@iskon.hr> Message-ID: Hi, We have a non-subscriber who was quoted with personal details mentioned by an indiscrete subscriber to a subscriber-only-can-post list with public archives. Anyway, this non-subscriber did a web search on himself and located the archive, and made a polite request with a compelling argument to please be removed from the archive. The indiscrete subscriber apologized to the list admins and politely asked if we would kindly comply with that request. My technical question is, has anyone written something of a procedure for this? If not, could someone provide something from their experience, and could we in turn submit a procedure back to this list? My political question is, how have other list admins dealt with this kind of request? "Hi, Mr. List Admin, I was really drunk when I wrote that and I really didn't mean what I said..." or similar requests? Thanks for your input! Rob Martin From reb at taco.com Tue Jan 23 16:28:28 2001 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor archive problem after upgrade.. Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010123101029.01d972f0@taco.com> On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, at 04:42, Michael Dunston wrote: > I recently upgraded both Mailman (2.0b5 -> 2.0) and Python (1.42 -> 2.0) > and just noticed that the HTML archives are being created differently. > > In the old system, the individual HTML archived messages listed the > poster's name and email address at the top of the page. For all messages > after the upgrade, this is now being created as the poster's name with > the list address (instead of the user's email). > > it was: Tom Smith tsmith at domain.com > now is: Tom Smith list at listaddress.com > > Is this normal? Can anyone offer any insight into this? Thanks in > advance for any enlightenment. IMHO this is NOT just an upgrade problem... I have the same problem on one of my lists, and I am using Python 2.0 and initially installed Mailman 2.0 and then upgraded to 2.01. Only one of my numerous lists suffers from this problem. I tried wiping out the archives and each time they get recreated with the same problem. I just tried creating a new, test, list and it seems to function fine (I used the default options). Does anyone have any idea what is wrong here? reb From dj at pcisys.net Tue Jan 23 16:42:19 2001 From: dj at pcisys.net (D.J. Atkinson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:42:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor archive problem after upgrade.. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010123101029.01d972f0@taco.com> Message-ID: I'd guess it's related to the setting of "reply_goes_to_list" [General Options page of the list admin interface, described as "Where are replies to list messages directed?"] If this is set so that replies default to the sender, the archive shows the sender's email address. If the default reply goes to the list, the archive shows the list address. It seemed pretty consistent across the lists I checked. On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Phydeaux wrote: >On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, at 04:42, Michael Dunston wrote: > > I recently upgraded both Mailman (2.0b5 -> 2.0) and Python (1.42 -> 2.0) > > and just noticed that the HTML archives are being created differently. > > > > In the old system, the individual HTML archived messages listed the > > poster's name and email address at the top of the page. For all messages > > after the upgrade, this is now being created as the poster's name with > > the list address (instead of the user's email). > > > > it was: Tom Smith tsmith at domain.com > > now is: Tom Smith list at listaddress.com > > > > Is this normal? Can anyone offer any insight into this? Thanks in > > advance for any enlightenment. > >IMHO this is NOT just an upgrade problem... > >I have the same problem on one of my lists, and I am using Python 2.0 >and initially installed Mailman 2.0 and then upgraded to 2.01. Only one >of my numerous lists suffers from this problem. I tried wiping out the >archives and each time they get recreated with the same problem. > >I just tried creating a new, test, list and it seems to function fine (I >used the default options). Does anyone have any idea what is wrong here? > >reb > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- o o o o o o o . . . _______ o _____ _____ ____________________ ____] D D [_||___ ._][__n__n___|DD[ [ \_____ | D.J. Atkinson | | dj at pcisys.net | >(____________|__|_[___________]_|__________________|_|_______________| _/oo OOOO OOOO oo` 'ooooo ooooo` 'o!o o!o` 'o!o o!o` -+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+- Visit my web page at http://www.pcisys.net/~dj From reb at taco.com Tue Jan 23 16:48:18 2001 From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor archive problem after upgrade.. In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010123101029.01d972f0@taco.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010123104456.035aec90@taco.com> At 08:42 AM 1/23/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I'd guess it's related to the setting of "reply_goes_to_list" [General >Options page of the list admin interface, described as "Where are replies >to list messages directed?"] If this is set so that replies default to the >sender, the archive shows the sender's email address. If the default >reply goes to the list, the archive shows the list address. It seemed >pretty consistent across the lists I checked. I don't think that's it -- all of my lists have this set the same -- they have the default value of "poster" set for this... reb From haroldp at sierraweb.com Tue Jan 23 18:03:11 2001 From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:03:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >On Jan 22, 2001 at 09:02, Harold Paulson wrote: > >>I don't think that there is any requirement for the mailman user's >>home dir to be the directory in which the mailman software was >>installed. Couldn't you keep the mailman home dir somewhere like >>"/home/mailman" and the actual install dir somewhere like >>"/usr/local/mailman". > >Hmm. I never thought of that. OTOH, I, and perhaps many others, have >installed mailman in /home/mailman. So why not 'chsh mailman' to "/home/procmailman"? - H >-- >Satya. >US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see >Due to circumstances beyond our control, we regret to inform you that >circumstances are beyond our control. --Paul Benoit -- Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 From robo at antileague.com Tue Jan 23 18:31:04 2001 From: robo at antileague.com (RoB-O) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:31:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do i make an announcement list only? Message-ID: <01012309324501.16863@league4l.listserv.ath.cx> i would like to add an announcment only list for a customer.... can some one tell me how? i am new to linux, since converting from a win based os thx much! From vtsaran at nimbus.ocis.temple.edu Tue Jan 23 20:10:23 2001 From: vtsaran at nimbus.ocis.temple.edu (Victor Tsaran) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:10:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove archives from the Mailman lists? Message-ID: <006401c08570$27d86ba0$d53c9ed8@wang> Hello, guys! I cannot figure out if there is a way to remove the archive from my Mailman list. We are using Mailman version 2.0 beta 2. BTW, some time ago I suggested that the current version of the program be posted on the main website, however, seen no changes so far. Best, Victor ******* ******* ******* have you thought of visiting Cybertsar's Internet Kingdom? It is still alive! Here is the URL: http://go.to/vtsaran or http://kickme.to/vtsaran ******* ******* ******* From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Tue Jan 23 21:21:54 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:51:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without passwords [was So all you people that wanted autoreject...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2001 at 09:03, Harold Paulson wrote: On Jan 22, 2001 at 09:02, I quoted Harold Paulson(?): >>>I don't think that there is any requirement for the mailman user's >>>home dir to be the directory in which the mailman software was >>>installed. Couldn't you keep the mailman home dir somewhere like Then I (Satya) wrote: >>Hmm. I never thought of that. OTOH, I, and perhaps many others, have >>installed mailman in /home/mailman. And he said: >So why not 'chsh mailman' to "/home/procmailman"? Why would I change mailman's login shell to /home/procmailman? PS: Please quote properly. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr From lennu at tietoverkot.net Tue Jan 23 22:12:30 2001 From: lennu at tietoverkot.net (Len Merikanto) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:12:30 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] duh! Message-ID: Been wondering, installed succesfully mailing list but is there a way to forge the from address into diffrent than the real hostname? now when something is posted people see its coming from blaa at blaa.com anyway to make it like bluu at foo.com? might have missed thin in rtfm but i didnt find it atleast easilly on any manual. Len Merikanto, Phone: +358968691950 Tietoverkot Oy Mobile: +358409008494 Munkkisaarenkatu 2 Fax: +358968691935 00150 Helsinki, Finland From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jan 23 22:52:33 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:52:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duh! In-Reply-To: ; from lennu@tietoverkot.net on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 11:12:30PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20010123155232.A5716@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 11:12:30PM +0200, Len Merikanto wrote: > Been wondering, installed succesfully mailing list > but is there a way to forge the from address into diffrent than the real > hostname? > > now when something is posted people see its coming from blaa at blaa.com > anyway to make it like bluu at foo.com? On the General Options page of the web admin interface, set "Host name this list prefers." to the hostname you want used. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From clutchtown at hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 21:49:32 2001 From: clutchtown at hotmail.com (Space Center) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:49:32 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: Hello, I am currently using Mailman to try and start a newsletter, but have no idea as to how I should go about doing this. I pretty much want it to be read-only. People submit their email address at my site, they get signed up (after confirmation email), and I send a newsletter on a regular basis. I don't want people replying or seeing who else is on the list. Could someone please help me with this? I hope this is the correct list to do this at. Alex Chiu _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From jake at dsmci.com Tue Jan 16 18:56:39 2001 From: jake at dsmci.com (Jake Miller) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:56:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP Message-ID: I installed mailman and now I'm getting errors when the cron runs for the digests. Here are the error messages, can anyone help? Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main send_list_digest(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest mlist.Save() File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Also I looking into automating the creation of lists either through php and mysql plus some cron entries to update the aliases file, or a cgi with some flat file databases if I'm feeling lazy. Jake From vanhorn at whidbey.com Tue Jan 23 23:47:49 2001 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:47:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duh! References: <20010123155232.A5716@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <3A6E0A14.FFC4207E@whidbey.com> That would be too easy! I would assume that we at least have to create a DNS entry (probably both A and MX along with a reverse) for the host name and setup an alias for it in Apache. Anything else, from those that have done this? Van Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 11:12:30PM +0200, Len Merikanto wrote: > > Been wondering, installed succesfully mailing list > > but is there a way to forge the from address into diffrent than the real > > hostname? > > > > now when something is posted people see its coming from blaa at blaa.com > > anyway to make it like bluu at foo.com? > > On the General Options page of the web admin interface, set "Host name this > list prefers." to the hostname you want used. > > -- From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Wed Jan 24 00:07:53 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:07:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove archives from the Mailman lists? Message-ID: <200101232306.PAA18734@utopia.west.sun.com> > Hello, guys! > I cannot figure out if there is a way to remove the archive from my Mailman > list. We are using Mailman version 2.0 beta 2. 'rm'. > BTW, some time ago I suggested that the current version of the program be > posted on the main website, however, seen no changes so far. If by "main website" you mean "www.list.org", the "current versions" from 2.0beta3 all the way through 2.0.1 have been posted there. From matt at thoene.net Wed Jan 24 01:56:03 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:56:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved mailman to new server, gid problems... Message-ID: I've moved mailman to my new server by copying all contents of /home/mailman. I'm now getting a mailman cgi error stating that "The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server". I know what this means but I'm wondering if it's fixable without having to re-install MailMan. If I do have to re-install, is it possible to upload the mailman info from one server to the other? Thanks. -Matt From jack at valko.org Wed Jan 24 03:48:33 2001 From: jack at valko.org (Jack Valko) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:48:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: using swish-e searching with mailman lists Message-ID: Is this worth reworking for Mailman 2? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Jack Valko [mailto:jack at valko.org] Sent: 27 August, 2000 00:56 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: using swish-e searching with mailman lists I've created a HOWTO on including SWISH-E searching into list archives. It's available at http://www.valko.org/mailmanswish-e/. The changes are rolled into my 1.1 installation, and I'll upgrade it to 2.0 as soon as it comes out of beta. Drop me a line if you have comments or questions, J From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Wed Jan 24 04:08:42 2001 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:08:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved mailman to new server, gid problems... Message-ID: <200101240306.TAA00848@utopia.west.sun.com> > I've moved mailman to my new server by copying all contents of > /home/mailman. I'm now getting a mailman cgi error stating that "The > expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the > Web server". I know what this means but I'm wondering if it's fixable > without having to re-install MailMan. If I do have to re-install, is it > possible to upload the mailman info from one server to the other? I've repeatedly rebuilt Mailman from source and installed it over the top of my existing /home/mailman without problems. (the list-specific info is all in lists/ and archives/, and those directories aren't touched by make install.) This is what all of the instructions about "upgrading" Mailman are for. From esper at sherohman.org Wed Jan 24 04:10:57 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:10:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duh! In-Reply-To: <3A6E0A14.FFC4207E@whidbey.com>; from vanhorn@whidbey.com on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 02:47:49PM -0800 References: <20010123155232.A5716@sherohman.org> <3A6E0A14.FFC4207E@whidbey.com> Message-ID: <20010123211057.M5716@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 02:47:49PM -0800, G. Armour Van Horn wrote: > That would be too easy! If you don't want to believe me... > I would assume that we at least have to create a > DNS entry (probably both A and MX along with a reverse) for the host > name and setup an alias for it in Apache. You asked how to control the return address on outgoing mail and I told you how. Your new batch of questions are all non-mailman-specific and are related to general mail and web server setup issues. They also have no effect on outgoing mail, only incoming traffic. Since you asked about configuring how mailman sends outgoing mail, I assumed that you had already taken care of them. Anyhow... The DNS records only affect incoming traffic. If you want the lists to receive incoming mail on different virtual hosts, then yes, you need to set up an A record for each hostname receiving mail with MX records pointing at your mail server. For the web interface to mailman, you can actually run all of your lists' admin interfaces from a single hostname, so no, mailman doesn't require that anything be set up in DNS or that you set up virtual hosts in apache. It just makes things more convenient. (If I wanted to, I could set up a mailman-users list on my box that directs replies to python.org. It would confuse the hell out of people trying to use it, but mailman would neither know nor care that it's running on a machine with no connection to python.org.) You only need one reverse-lookup per IP address. This is a Good Thing, given that you can only have one per IP address. The reverse-lookup tables map IP address to (canonical) hostname. If there's only one address, it only maps to one name. > Anything else, from those that > have done this? Hmm. Let's see... I run an even dozen lists on 4 domains (all hosted on the same box). Does that qualify me as having "done this"? -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From matt at thoene.net Wed Jan 24 05:08:35 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:08:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved mailman to new server, gid problems... In-Reply-To: <200101240306.TAA00848@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: ::> I've moved mailman to my new server by copying all contents of ::> /home/mailman. I'm now getting a mailman cgi error stating that "The ::> expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid ::as set by the ::> Web server". I know what this means but I'm wondering if it's fixable ::> without having to re-install MailMan. If I do have to re-install, is it ::> possible to upload the mailman info from one server to the other? :: ::I've repeatedly rebuilt Mailman from source and installed it over ::the top of my existing /home/mailman without problems. (the ::list-specific info is all in lists/ and archives/, and those ::directories aren't touched by make install.) :: ::This is what all of the instructions about "upgrading" Mailman ::are for. Thanks Dan but why would I look to "upgrading" instructions when this really isn't what I was doing? I literally saved my entire /home/mailman directory (recursively of course), blasted the machine with an entirely new Linux distribution, and copied the /home/mailman directory and it's contents back over. I then re-installed MailMan. This wasn't really an upgrade so I didn't think to look at the upgrade instructions for help. I will now. Thanks. -Matt From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 24 05:15:19 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:15:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved mailman to new server, gid problems... Message-ID: <200101240413.UAA02651@utopia.west.sun.com> > ::> I've moved mailman to my new server by copying all contents of > ::> /home/mailman. I'm now getting a mailman cgi error stating that "The > ::> expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid > ::as set by the > ::> Web server". I know what this means but I'm wondering if it's fixable > ::> without having to re-install MailMan. If I do have to re-install, is it > ::> possible to upload the mailman info from one server to the other? > :: > ::I've repeatedly rebuilt Mailman from source and installed it over > ::the top of my existing /home/mailman without problems. (the > ::list-specific info is all in lists/ and archives/, and those > ::directories aren't touched by make install.) > :: > ::This is what all of the instructions about "upgrading" Mailman > ::are for. > > Thanks Dan but why would I look to "upgrading" instructions when this really > isn't what I was doing? I literally saved my entire /home/mailman directory > (recursively of course), blasted the machine with an entirely new Linux > distribution, and copied the /home/mailman directory and it's contents back > over. I then re-installed MailMan. This wasn't really an upgrade re-install with existing lists == upgrade, yes. That's what I was trying to say. From vmro-mnm at bredband.net Wed Jan 24 06:03:59 2001 From: vmro-mnm at bredband.net (VMRO-MNM) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:03:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] READ ABOUT MACEDONIA Message-ID: <000801c085c3$12dd8c00$304670d5@bredbandsbolaget.se> READ ABOUT MACEDONIA! www.vmro-mnm.com THE TRUTH ABOUT MACEDONIA AND THE MACEDONIAN NATION! Message From: The Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM (Macedonian for the Macedonians). Tihs is not a commercial. This is about a nation that has suffered deeply, a nation the world has forgotten about. The Macedoian nation has been robbed of its history, traditions, culture, identity, land and so on. Everything the athenians, the "bulgarians", the serbs and rhe "albanians" are writing is really Macedonian. We Macedonians have suffered enough.We want to to show the world our struggle for for justice. The media of the western world has never showed the truth about Macedonia, only "propaganda news". This is the only wey for us to make our voices heard and to inform the world. If you want to know the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation, please visit the web site: www.vmro-mnm.com Alo "atina", "sofija", "belgrad" i "tirana" ovde MAKEDONIJA! Hallo "athens", "sofija", "belgrad" and "tirana" here is MACEDONIA! MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE! MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS! JAS SUM MAKEDONEC A NE FYROMEC! NIE SME MAKEDONCI A NE FYROMCI! VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKATA ZEMJA! VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD! LONG LIVE MACEDONIAN! LONG LIVE THE MACEDONIAN NATION! MACEDONIA BELONGS TO THE MACEDONIANS NO ONE ELSE. Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet President of the Organization VMRO-MNM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010124/3f928fd4/attachment.htm From matt at thoene.net Wed Jan 24 06:20:06 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:20:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug? In-Reply-To: <200101240413.UAA02651@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: I've got MailMan working to a point...I created a list and it sent me the confirmation. Clicked the link for the admin page and it looked ok except for this at the bottom of the page... Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1 "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. " I can't find anything in any logs, /var/log nor /home/mailman/logs, that tells me why this is happening. It also seems to be creating lock files in /mailman/locks that prevent any of the links from working. If I get on the box and rm the locks, the links work. Anybody know what this may be? -Matt From sabidussi at nextra.at Wed Jan 24 16:21:43 2001 From: sabidussi at nextra.at (Menega Sabidussi) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:21:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 6 questions References: <20010124050103.CFCA1F1FD@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <3A6EF307.C5297213@nextra.at> hello people, please forgive me for asking quesions that i am sure have been repeated over and over. if there is a collection of faq somewhere that answer mine please direct me there. if not i would be grateful indeed for whatever you can tell me. currently i am still in the phase where i have to decide if mailman is the program of choice and if it is if i will be requiring a dedicated server or if i could make do with a virtual account that has mailman pre-installed. if some of my questions seem very ignorant programming- and installationwise then that is the case but i learn very fast and have no fear of going into delicate server areas. just throw info at me and i'll figure it from there. 1. do i need root access to do such things as bugpatch the program (for instance not letting attachments through) and collect my archives if and when i would like to change providers? 2. can i plug-in a decent "search archives" feature? i saw a link to a perl script posted here, does that go into the cgi-bin or must it be placed in installation specific directories or rather do i have to enter a configuration file not normally accessable in a virtual account? 3. what must one do to enable "posting from the web"? 4. i've gathered that when moving my list to mailman i can mass-subscribe users. in what form and when in the procedure are they issued the random passwords i have seen mentioned here? 5. where is the password file stored? i would like to hitch it together with ftp access permissions. 6. who knows of a provider offering virtual accounts where one could set up mailman in an accessable and flexible way????????? thank you for any help. kind regards menega sabidussi From franks at rivo.wag-ur.nl Wed Jan 24 16:41:40 2001 From: franks at rivo.wag-ur.nl (Frank Storbeck) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:41:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] postings seem to go to /dev/null Message-ID: L.S. I just installed mailman 2.0.1 for the first time. Everything goes smoothly, even creating a new list with the name "test". After this I cannot subscribe myself via the e-mail. Via the http interface however this works fine: i get the e-mail asking me to confirm the subscription. But then replying doesn't seem to trigger any action (I get no confirmation). I can subscribe myself via the http interface and then I get the confirmation. After this postings to test don't trigger anything and the directory /home/mailman/archives/public/test.mbox remains empty. When I send a posting via the command line interface (using mail) I get a notification from /home/mailman/bin/wrapper that the the mail has been sent. We are using a SUN SPARC enterprise platform 1000E running under Solaris 2.7. What am I doing wrong? regards Frank Storbeck Bobbeleweg 6 1871 HB Schoorl phone +31 72 5092910 / 06 26 546 790 PGP public key available at From robo at antileague.com Wed Jan 24 17:02:07 2001 From: robo at antileague.com (RoB-O) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:02:07 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can some one help a newbie?? Message-ID: <01012408032700.23559@league4l.listserv.ath.cx> hello all.... I am just looking for some simple help.. got a question... how do i set up a discussion only list?? is is part of the "newlist" options?? thankx in advance! Rob From mat at iphrase.com Wed Jan 24 17:15:59 2001 From: mat at iphrase.com (Walker, Mathew) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:15:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] allow posting by domain? Message-ID: <3BF50BC1C2B5D411A06700508BD94D61241862@exchange2.iphrase.com> I've inheritted a Mailman 1.1 list server for our company. It's been just fine, but I was wondering how I can restrict posting to the list to ***@iphrase.com. Most of our lists are typically member_posting_only but I want to allow the rest of the company to post to them without having to be subscribed to them. I noticed the field right beneath the member_posting_only option to add specific people. However, can you add something like *@iphrase.com to allow any iphrase address to post? -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- Mathew Walker - mat at iphrase.com Technical Support Engineer iPhrase: One Step Information Access. www.iphrase.com From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Jan 24 22:34:23 2001 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:34:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can some one help a newbie?? References: <01012408032700.23559@league4l.listserv.ath.cx> Message-ID: <3A6F4A5F.E043511B@west.sun.com> RoB-O wrote: > > hello all.... > I am just looking for some simple help.. got a question... > how do i set up a discussion only list?? is is part of the "newlist" options?? What is the difference between a "discussion-only list" and a "mailing list"? From BOSA2001 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 22:59:19 2001 From: BOSA2001 at AOL.COM (BOSA2001 at AOL.COM) Date: 24 Jan 2001 21:59:19 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BETTER THAN VISA REBATES-MASTERGOLD Message-ID: <20010124215919.32348.qmail@phl7.note.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010124/36091164/attachment.html From matt at thoene.net Wed Jan 24 23:01:12 2001 From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:01:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ::-----Original Message----- ::From: mailman-users-admin at python.org ::[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Matt Thoene ::Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:20 PM ::To: mailman-users at python.org ::Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug? :: :: ::I've got MailMan working to a point...I created a list and it sent me the ::confirmation. Clicked the link for the admin page and it looked ok except ::for this at the bottom of the page... :: ::Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1 :: ::"We're sorry, we hit a bug! ::Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of ::traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but ::the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. " :: ::I can't find anything in any logs, /var/log nor /home/mailman/logs, that ::tells me why this is happening. It also seems to be creating ::lock files in ::/mailman/locks that prevent any of the links from working. If I ::get on the ::box and rm the locks, the links work. :: ::Anybody know what this may be? :: ::-Matt Yes you idiot...it's a permissions issue! Man, after two days of this "upgrade" it all came down to permissions... -Matt From BOSA2001 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 23:14:20 2001 From: BOSA2001 at AOL.COM (BOSA2001 at AOL.COM) Date: 24 Jan 2001 22:14:20 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] BETTER THAN VISA REBATES-MASTERGOLD Message-ID: <20010124221420.17375.qmail@phl7.note.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010124/c7d27dda/attachment.htm From wcampbel at nas.edu Wed Jan 24 23:18:57 2001 From: wcampbel at nas.edu (William Campbell) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:18:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization Message-ID: <852569DE.007AD061.00@smtpmta.nas.edu> I know through the admin GUI you can customize certain screens for each list. Is there a way to customize the look of the actual admin. listinfo.cgi scripts? B From bob at nleaudio.com Thu Jan 25 00:11:04 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:11:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ownership References: <852569DE.007AD061.00@smtpmta.nas.edu> Message-ID: <3A6F6108.C7E2CC70@nleaudio.com> Hello, By accident, I just did a chown xx.xx -R to my whole mailman directory. I've gone through and changed everything back to what it was when I last backed up, but the web interface still fails, with a permission error on the config.db file. It works when I chown it to nobody.mailman, but that's not the way it -was- working! It looks like the CGIs are running under "nobody" instead of "mailman". How can I fix this? Bob From gossamer at tertius.net.au Thu Jan 25 01:06:51 2001 From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:06:51 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 6 questions In-Reply-To: <3A6EF307.C5297213@nextra.at>; from sabidussi@nextra.at on Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 04:21:43PM +0100 References: <20010124050103.CFCA1F1FD@mail.python.org> <3A6EF307.C5297213@nextra.at> Message-ID: <20010125110651.I20124@tertius.net.au> Menega Sabidussi wrote: > 1. do i need root access to do such things as > bugpatch the program (for instance not letting attachments through) > and collect my archives if and when i would like to change providers? If the program's installed as root (which it usually is), then yeah you do. > 3. what must one do to enable "posting from the web"? Not possible. > 4. i've gathered that when moving my list to mailman i can > mass-subscribe users. in what form and when in the procedure are they > issued the random passwords i have seen mentioned here? It's something you do from the command line, with root access, and yes you get random passwords. > 5. where is the password file stored? > i would like to hitch it together with ftp access permissions. Somewhere in a Python database file thingy. I have no idea. You'd need a python script to get them out. bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer at tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : Everyone takes the limits of his own vision for the limits of : the world. -- Arthur Schopenhauer From ned at greatbridge.com Thu Jan 25 01:54:11 2001 From: ned at greatbridge.com (Ned Lilly) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:54:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 6 questions References: <20010124050103.CFCA1F1FD@mail.python.org> <3A6EF307.C5297213@nextra.at> <20010125110651.I20124@tertius.net.au> Message-ID: <3A6F7932.9E8956C1@greatbridge.com> Bek Oberin wrote: > Menega Sabidussi wrote: > > > 3. what must one do to enable "posting from the web"? > > Not possible. We've got that working in a prototype on our site, and will contribute the patch as soon as we clean it up. BTW, we're also looking at porting the message storage (and user info, etc) to a PostgreSQL backend. Has anybody else done anything along these lines? Regards, Ned Lilly VP Hacker Relations Great Bridge, LLC From MikeT at scitechsoft.com Thu Jan 25 02:43:47 2001 From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:43:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list locking up Message-ID: <3A6F1453.25834.1927D428@localhost> I have one list locking up, It will not respond. I can not even bring this list up with a browser. I can monitor, update, edit and do everything else with all my other lists, but one will not respond. All the files and perms look good. Any help is greatly appreciated... Thanks -miket From Wittmann.R at t-online.de Thu Jan 25 12:47:18 2001 From: Wittmann.R at t-online.de (Mein Name) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:47:18 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c086c4$94a57fc0$0200000a@p133> Bitte l?schen Sie mein E-mail-Adresse Wittmann.R at t-online.de aus Ihren Verteiler. mfg Wittmann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010125/f45574ab/attachment.html From barney at technobridge.com Thu Jan 25 12:22:42 2001 From: barney at technobridge.com (Barney Carney) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:22:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does an administrator remove addresses from a list? Message-ID: <3A700C82.512F2561@technobridge.com> I am sorry, but I cannot find a reference to how the list manager removes members from the list if they do not have access to the addressee's password, and is there a place in the Doc where this is described? Your assistance appreciated... ...barney From dmick at west.sun.com Thu Jan 25 13:31:19 2001 From: dmick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 04:31:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does an administrator remove addresses from a list? References: <3A700C82.512F2561@technobridge.com> Message-ID: <3A701C97.1DB90003@west.sun.com> Barney Carney wrote: > > I am sorry, but I cannot find a reference to how the list > manager removes members from the list if they do not have > access to the addressee's password, Any time you need a password, the order is: user, list, admin. (i.e. the list or admin password works.) Also, bin/remove_members doesn't require a password. > and is there a place in > the Doc where this is described? bin/remove_members is self-documenting. Not much about Mailman is really documented. Please help. From mkaminer at yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 15:19:18 2001 From: mkaminer at yahoo.com (matt kaminer) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:19:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] host name showing up in email Message-ID: <20010125141918.21176.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com> Under general options, I changed the host name information from host1.domain.com to host2.domain.com (both host1 and host2 are the same machine according to my DNS server). But when sending out lists, mailman insists on using "host1" Am I missing something? What else do I need to change to fix this. Is there a global change for all mailing lists? or do I need to do this for each list? thanks, matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From ckolar at aurora.edu Thu Jan 25 17:08:33 2001 From: ckolar at aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:08:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] accessing admin pages: hit and miss Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125100323.02080f50@admin.aurora.edu> Hi everyone. We are running 2.01 (upgraded from 1.0) under DEC True64 4.0F. Most of the lists are working just fine, but there has been some weirdness with a recently created batch. When we access /mailman/admin to work on the lists we are able to get into some, but others the request times out before we get the login screen. Among the five lists in question this error seems to be at random, but we seem to have access for a half day, then the ones that work and don't work seem to shift. Anyway, there is nothing in the server logs that helps us out, so I was wondering if anyone has ever seen anything like this. I am wondering if it is possible that apache needs to have more child processes available, or if there is another setting that needs to be tweaked. To see it in action, try: mail.aurora.edu/mailman/admin then try accessing the sek315-* lists, my guess is that you will reach the authentication screen for some, but not all. Thanks in advance, sorry that I have to rush off this note before a meeting, it is not elegant. --chris From mailman at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us Thu Jan 25 19:01:29 2001 From: mailman at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:01:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding search capabilities Message-ID: I'm wanting to add search capabilities to my lists, and have downloaded htdig. I'm not sure how to configure it to work with the mailing lists though. Can someone give me some guidance in the area? Mike Tuller From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Thu Jan 25 20:31:07 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:01:07 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.01 or 2.0.1? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125100323.02080f50@admin.aurora.edu> Message-ID: On Jan 25, 2001 at 10:08, Christopher Kolar wrote: >Hi everyone. We are running 2.01 (upgraded from 1.0) under DEC True64 Okay, is it 2.01 or 2.0.1? (Sorry to pick on Mr. Kolar, but this has been bugging me for a while now. Nothing personal, his post is just an insertion point.) -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see DOS: Defunct Operating System From ckolar at aurora.edu Thu Jan 25 21:00:25 2001 From: ckolar at aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:00:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.01 or 2.0.1? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125100323.02080f50@admin.aurora.edu> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125135939.020828a0@admin.aurora.edu> At 01:31 PM 1/25/2001, Satya wrote: >On Jan 25, 2001 at 10:08, Christopher Kolar wrote: > > >Hi everyone. We are running 2.01 (upgraded from 1.0) under DEC True64 > >Okay, is it 2.01 or 2.0.1? > >(Sorry to pick on Mr. Kolar, but this has been bugging me for a while >now. Nothing personal, his post is just an insertion point.) 2.0.1 -- I am just too lazy when I type. --chris From voodoo at voodooland.net Fri Jan 26 00:07:40 2001 From: voodoo at voodooland.net (Voodoo Chief) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:07:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman? Message-ID: <3611.206.252.171.62.980464060.squirrel@voodooland.net> I am having a problem with mailman, and was hoping someone out there might have had the same thing happen, and could help me out a bit. I am running on FreeBSD 4.2 with newer apache web server and postfix for mail. I am having a small problem with mailman, i can get everything to work fine except that users cannot subscribe I have to add them manually. when a user goes to the subscription page, they put in the address like normal, they get the message saying they need to reply for confirmation. Then when they reply. nothing more happens, and i dont get an admin confirmation either. Any ideas why the confirmation process isnt working. I checked the mail logs, and receives the message but nothing gets returned thanks in advance for any help. -- Voodoo Chief voodoo at voodooland.net From Pumpkin027 at aol.com Fri Jan 26 03:05:48 2001 From: Pumpkin027 at aol.com (Pumpkin027 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:05:48 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello Message-ID: i can't figure out how to unsubscribe. could you please help me? thank you From KATDANCEN at aol.com Fri Jan 26 06:14:01 2001 From: KATDANCEN at aol.com (KATDANCEN at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:14:01 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] WSA lists Message-ID: <65.f084e87.27a26199@aol.com> How can I get my name removed for these lists?????? From mabran3 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu Fri Jan 26 06:24:50 2001 From: mabran3 at ronco.netlab.uky.edu (Mike Brancato) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving a list to a new home Message-ID: <20010126002450.A18375@ronco.netlab.uky.edu> I have a list, currently hosted by another LUG at a different University that we want to move to this machine. The current machine is running mailman v1.1 and we want to move that lists to this machine runnign mailman v2.0.1. Are teh lists configuration stuff still compatible? I haven't seen any docs on this, so if someone would explain the major steps to be had, and the problems to avoid, or a url, that would be great! -- Mike Brancato From claw at kanga.nu Fri Jan 26 08:17:15 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:17:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: 6 questions In-Reply-To: Message from Ned Lilly of "Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:54:11 EST." <3A6F7932.9E8956C1@greatbridge.com> References: <20010124050103.CFCA1F1FD@mail.python.org> <3A6EF307.C5297213@nextra.at> <20010125110651.I20124@tertius.net.au> <3A6F7932.9E8956C1@greatbridge.com> Message-ID: <13571.980493435@kanga.nu> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:54:11 -0500 Ned Lilly wrote: > Bek Oberin wrote: >> Menega Sabidussi wrote: >> >> > 3. what must one do to enable "posting from the web"? >> >> Not possible. > We've got that working in a prototype on our site, and will > contribute the patch as soon as we clean it up. I currently do this by using MHonArc as an external archiver to generate PHP files of the messages, which then support the ability to post replies via the web. Its proven fairly popular with my list members. > BTW, we're also looking at porting the message storage (and user > info, etc) to a PostgreSQL backend. Has anybody else done > anything along these lines? I've toyed with it but haven't taken the leap. The PHP files that I have MHonArc creating are simple lists of variable assignments. It would be fairly easy to take these sets of variable assignments and use them as the source data for SQL INSERT commands. In fact I've played with a couple basic fault intolerant scripts to do this and they worked for as far as I was interested in taking them then. The really intersting stuff, which I was looking towards but never got as far as, was then dynamically building appropriately threaded and extracted-view indexes from the SQL side (you can get really interesting on that score). Note: MHonArc re-writes preciously archived messages to patch in forward pointers (threads etc) as relevant. This would need to be accounted for. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Fri Jan 26 11:23:00 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:23:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding search capabilities In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Tuller of "Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:01:29 CST." Message-ID: mailman at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us said: > I'm wanting to add search capabilities to my lists, and have > downloaded htdig. I'm not sure how to configure it to work with the > mailing lists though. Can someone give me some guidance in the area? There should be a couple of patches on sourceforge to do fully integrated htdig (see http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/ for an example). If you can't make that work, prod me and I'll redo the diffs against my current codebase, but I don't know of any differences I have in other than that patchset against 2.0.1 Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From maren at leizaola.com Fri Jan 26 09:29:06 2001 From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:29:06 +0800 (Taipei Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming the public name of a list. In-Reply-To: <20010126002450.A18375@ronco.netlab.uky.edu> Message-ID: Hello, What will happen if I create a list called "xyz" I then rename it "xyz UK" and list keep the xyz at domain.com in the aliases. I am using V1.1 What will be the negative impact to rename the public name? I am setting up about 20 lists identically just with different names. Can I copy the master config into many directories in the lists subdirectory? Will this work properly? How about creating the list name using newlist command and then copying the config files/html from the master lists' config into the new subdirectories that newlist created? Regards, Maren. From roessler at does-not-exist.org Fri Jan 26 13:26:14 2001 From: roessler at does-not-exist.org (Thomas Roessler) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 06:26:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0.1: Quoted text in the archive. Message-ID: <20010126062614.A22925@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> The attached simple patch seems to fix the display of quoted text in the web version of the list archives. Of course, setting SHOWBR is mostly a matter of taste. However, making the addition fo
's in the quoted text depend on whether or not SHOWHTML is set looks a bit fishy to me. WK: You may wish to re-create your HTML archives. ;-) -- Thomas Roessler -------------- next part -------------- --- HyperArch.py.bak Fri Jan 26 13:16:05 2001 +++ HyperArch.py Fri Jan 26 13:16:20 2001 @@ -566,7 +566,7 @@ ALLOWHTML = 1 # "Lines between " handled as is. SHOWHTML = 0 # Eg, nuke leading whitespace in html manner. IQUOTES = 1 # Italicize quoted text. - SHOWBR = 0 # Add
onto every line + SHOWBR = 1 # Add
onto every line def __init__(self, maillist, unlock=1): # can't init the database while other processes are writing to it! @@ -1021,7 +1021,7 @@ quoted = quoted.end(0) prefix=CGIescape(L[:quoted]) + '' suffix='' - if self.SHOWHTML: + if self.SHOWBR: suffix=suffix+'
' if not last_line_was_quoted: prefix='
'+prefix From cshobe at AixOS.net Fri Jan 26 15:06:50 2001 From: cshobe at AixOS.net (Casey Allen Shobe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:06:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Qmail not working Message-ID: <4833.199.164.21.2.980518010.squirrel@aixos.net> I'm having strange problems with Mailman, because I don't know what I'm doing. Help would be *greatly* appreciated. I can look at the mailing list via the web, so it's interfacing with Apache correctly. When I created a list using the command line, I even got a confirmation email. However, I can't sign any other email accounts up via the web, no response is ever received. I tried signing up via email, or sending a post to the list, and get a "no such user" reply back from qmail. The README.QMAIL file is really bad - I cannot understand what it is trying to tell me to do, and I think that's the problem. Additionally, mailman keeps generating syslog errors, trying to call sendmail. In a directory where the sendmail bin doesn't even exist. Qmail's 'sendmail' binary is ini /usr/sbin. Here are the last two entries in my syslog since my last reboot (last night when I removed some hardware): Jan 25 19:00:06 aixos crond[285]: unable to exec /usr/lib/sendmail -t, user -oem, output to sink null Jan 26 01:00:06 aixos crond[1417]: unable to exec /usr/lib/sendmail -t, user -oem, output to sink null I'm in the dark, and could use some help. Thanks in advance, -- Casey Allen Shobe cshobe at aixos.net From m at whiteywillpay.net Fri Jan 26 17:34:48 2001 From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:34:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing archives? Message-ID: Hallo all, I am trying to remove a list's archives, but I am having a hard time figuring out how. I trying moving the listname.mbox file to listname.mbox.OLD, and then touching a new listnamee.mbox. I set permissions/ownership to match the old file, then ran arch: ./arch listname /usr/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox However, this did not work. Am I just doing this completely wrong? What is the proper way to delete archives? PS - I am not on this mailing list, so please send replies to my email address. Thanks. Matt Singerman | "This is just more of the usual conservative m at whiteywillpay.net | Christian hysteria over teenagers http://whiteywillpay.net/ | swallowing miles of cock." From yann.forget at ynternet.org Fri Jan 26 18:06:21 2001 From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:06:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the name of a list Message-ID: <3A71AE8D.A881022C@ynternet.org> Hi, I want to change the name of a list. All parameters should remain the same. The members of the old list should become members of the new list. What are the step required ? Please, CC to yann.forget at ynternet.org as I am not subscriber. Thanks, Yann From rannirl at otherkin.net Fri Jan 26 18:58:18 2001 From: rannirl at otherkin.net (rannirl at otherkin.net) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:58:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Features I haven't found yet... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010126095818.A26500@otherkin.net> I just installed mailman, so far so good, seems to do most of what I am looking for. However, there's a couple of things I have not seen that I would like. 1) Replying to archive messages - for the lists I am managing, a significant portion of the users would prefer to read their listmail on the web, rather than having a large number of messages accumulate in their mailboxes. The archives allow this, but the default install does not provide any way for them to reply (other than cut&paste into a mail program, whichs is obviously a non-optimal solution). 2) Grouping management functions by user - it appears that all lists function independently. There seems to be no way to say "which lists on this server am I subscribed to" and other operations of a similar type. Is there a known way to provide either of these, or am I on my own here. Thanks, Malcolm From marc_news at valinux.com Fri Jan 26 20:29:12 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:29:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change the name of a list In-Reply-To: <3A71AE8D.A881022C@ynternet.org>; from yann.forget@ynternet.org on Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:06:21PM +0100 References: <3A71AE8D.A881022C@ynternet.org> Message-ID: <20010126112911.F16403@marc.merlins.org> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:06:21PM +0100, Yann Forget wrote: > Hi, > > I want to change the name of a list. > All parameters should remain the same. > The members of the old list should become > members of the new list. rename the list in the admin page rename the list directory and files on disk to the new name run ~mailman/bin/movelist newlistname Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From MikeT at scitechsoft.com Sat Jan 27 00:11:51 2001 From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:11:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] size limits Message-ID: <3A7193B7.2526.22E9D382@localhost> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 695 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010126/5ba8004b/attachment.bin From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Sat Jan 27 01:35:52 2001 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:35:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad URL in Defaults.py Message-ID: The URL that is set in Defaults.py is still http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman.html which is the old mailman site as opposed to http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ It is probably impossible to go an fix this on each and every installation of mailman, so if I was maintaining that page, I'd make mailman.html a symlink to index.html -akop From DrEagle at earthlink.net Sat Jan 27 04:23:12 2001 From: DrEagle at earthlink.net (Dr. Thomas C. Eagle) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:23:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing host_name for mailman Message-ID: <017f01c08810$7e3c28e0$6401a8c0@sprintion.com> I want the host domain to be "list.newsummit.org" while my real host domain is "eaglesystems.newsummit.org" How do I make the change to be "list.newsummit.org"? Can it be done? If is can, where do I make the changes. Thanks, Tom Eagle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010126/ae4ef887/attachment.html From jha at washucsc.org Sat Jan 27 05:28:21 2001 From: jha at washucsc.org (John Aughey) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:28:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correction to rmlist Message-ID: The rmlist command has a --archives option. It's documented as --archives and in the usage it shows --archives, but argument check checkes for --archive (without the trailing s). This is an easy fix. John From esper at sherohman.org Sat Jan 27 08:12:07 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:12:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing host_name for mailman In-Reply-To: <017f01c08810$7e3c28e0$6401a8c0@sprintion.com>; from DrEagle@earthlink.net on Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 09:23:12PM -0600 References: <017f01c08810$7e3c28e0$6401a8c0@sprintion.com> Message-ID: <20010127011207.A1629@sherohman.org> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 09:23:12PM -0600, Dr. Thomas C. Eagle wrote: > I want the host domain to be "list.newsummit.org" > while my real host domain is "eaglesystems.newsummit.org" > > How do I make the change to be "list.newsummit.org"? > > Can it be done? If is can, where do I make the changes. Web admin interface, General Options page. "Host name this list prefers." (You'll probably also want to set "Base URL for Mailman web interface" to match.) -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From kjwkp82 at hanmail.net Sat Jan 27 12:36:23 2001 From: kjwkp82 at hanmail.net (±èÁöÀº) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:36:23 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Çâ¼ö¸¦ µµ¸Å°¡°ÝÀ¸·Î »ê´Ù???? Message-ID: <050dc5241111b11SMTP3@smtp3.thrunet.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010127/6baf0e2d/attachment.htm From sal at tcdi.com Sat Jan 27 13:33:56 2001 From: sal at tcdi.com (Sal Batlle) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:33:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements in a Digest Message-ID: <002001c0885d$7d5607a0$5429a8c0@tcdi.com> Hi, Are there any known problems with attachments and digest. One of my users decided to get a daily digest, however, attachments are converted to plain text and included in the body of the digest. Can anyone shed some light on this little problem? Thanks, Sal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010127/0d552d9c/attachment.html From sal at tcdi.com Sat Jan 27 14:04:44 2001 From: sal at tcdi.com (Sal Batlle) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:04:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements in a Digest Message-ID: <000701c08861$caa52640$5429a8c0@tcdi.com> Hi, Are there any known problems with attachments and digest. One of my users decided to get a daily digest, however, attachments are converted to plain text and included in the body of the digest. Can anyone shed some light on this little problem? Thanks, Sal From cpr at emsoftware.com Sat Jan 27 19:09:11 2001 From: cpr at emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:09:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie (admin authorization) problem with MM 1.2 and IE 5.5 Message-ID: <001101c0888c$52394da0$6601a8c0@EM2> I'm having the strangest problem with the administration cookie and IE 5.5 on one particular Win2K machine on a newly-installed Mailman 1.2 setup. I've got two mailing lists, and neither of their administrative cookies will "stick" appropriately. With Netscape 6 on the same machine, all's well. With IE 5.5 on another NT 4.0 machine, all's well. With Netscape 4.5 on a MacOS 9 Powerbook, all's well. I've tried scouring the disk for any bogus cookie, but no cookies show up for mailman. Other cookies (e.g., New York Times) seem to work fine in IE 5.5. I checked the mailman-users archive and saw the messages re: similar problems, but my URLs jive (clearly, or none of the browsers should work). For a while I think I had MM misconfigured (mm_cfg.py) when using IE 5.5, which might suggest a "stuck" broken cookie somewhere, but I sure can't find any. Any ideas appreciated. -- Cheers! Chris Ryland Em Software, Inc. www.emsoftware.com From claw at kanga.nu Sat Jan 27 20:15:50 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:15:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements in a Digest In-Reply-To: Message from "Sal Batlle" of "Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:33:56 EST." <002001c0885d$7d5607a0$5429a8c0@tcdi.com> References: <002001c0885d$7d5607a0$5429a8c0@tcdi.com> Message-ID: <11227.980622950@kanga.nu> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:33:56 -0500 Sal Batlle wrote: > Hi, Are there any known problems with attachments and digest. One > of my users decided to get a daily digest, however, attachments > are converted to plain text and included in the body of the > digest. Tell him to use MIME digests instead. -- J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From sweetsue at sweethomes.com Sat Jan 27 14:27:00 2001 From: sweetsue at sweethomes.com (sweetsue at sweethomes.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:27 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.01 not sending messages Message-ID: <200101272027.f0RKRWO28742@ns.sweethomes.com> I have several lists and they have all ceased posting. I checked and cleared the qfiles area and did a bit of minor tweaking (as prescribed in other related postings on this) and it hasn't done any good. Mail gets processed as it should then sits in the qfiles area. I'm running on Linux and am using sendmail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Susanne Bullo From dan.mick at west.sun.com Sat Jan 27 22:15:09 2001 From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:15:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie (admin authorization) problem with MM 1.2 and IE 5.5 References: <001101c0888c$52394da0$6601a8c0@EM2> Message-ID: <3A733A5D.61FA8321@west.sun.com> What's Mailman 1.2? I don't remember any such release. Chris Ryland wrote: > > I'm having the strangest problem with the administration cookie and IE 5.5 > on one particular Win2K machine on a newly-installed Mailman 1.2 setup. > > I've got two mailing lists, and neither of their administrative cookies will > "stick" appropriately. > > With Netscape 6 on the same machine, all's well. With IE 5.5 on another NT > 4.0 machine, all's well. With Netscape 4.5 on a MacOS 9 Powerbook, all's > well. > > I've tried scouring the disk for any bogus cookie, but no cookies show up > for mailman. > > Other cookies (e.g., New York Times) seem to work fine in IE 5.5. > > I checked the mailman-users archive and saw the messages re: similar > problems, but my URLs jive (clearly, or none of the browsers should work). > > For a while I think I had MM misconfigured (mm_cfg.py) when using IE 5.5, > which might suggest a "stuck" broken cookie somewhere, but I sure can't find > any. > > Any ideas appreciated. > -- > Cheers! > Chris Ryland > Em Software, Inc. > www.emsoftware.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From cpr at emsoftware.com Sun Jan 28 08:06:00 2001 From: cpr at emsoftware.com (Chris Ryland) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:06:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie (admin authorization) problem with MM 1.2 and IE 5.5 References: <001101c0888c$52394da0$6601a8c0@EM2> Message-ID: <00aa01c088f8$d78812e0$6601a8c0@EM2> FYI, as Dan Mick kindly suggested, I upgraded to Mailman 2.0.1 and these problems disappeared. -- Cheers! Chris Ryland Em Software, Inc. www.emsoftware.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ryland" To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:09 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie (admin authorization) problem with MM 1.2 and IE 5.5 > I'm having the strangest problem with the administration cookie and IE 5.5 > on one particular Win2K machine on a newly-installed Mailman 1.2 setup. From kunathma at pilot.msu.edu Sun Jan 28 05:26:55 2001 From: kunathma at pilot.msu.edu (Marcel Kunath) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:26:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] base url dead end Message-ID: <200101280426.f0S4Qtb25292@pilot07.cl.msu.edu> Hi, I got a problem with Mailman. I had a list set up everything works fine. Then I did something stupid. I went to General Options and changed: Base URL for Mailman web interface. from: http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/ to: http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/ I submitted changes and it accepted. I then tried to change it back but now the path of mailman is wrong. Now due to the path being wrong the submission process to reverse the change doesn't work anymore either, of course. This is a dead end and I am caught in it. I think this could be considered a bug and Mailman should prevent Admins from entering a base URL which destroys their ability to administer the lists. How do I get the old base URL back??? Thanks, mk From dan.mick at west.sun.com Sun Jan 28 05:40:22 2001 From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:40:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] base url dead end References: <200101280426.f0S4Qtb25292@pilot07.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: <3A73A2B6.F1F0175@west.sun.com> Marcel Kunath wrote: > I think this could be considered a bug and Mailman should prevent Admins from > entering a base URL which destroys their ability to administer the lists. Yes, it's been discussed. > How do I get the old base URL back??? Use bin/config_list; you can use a file containing only web_page_url like so: web_page_url = 'http://www.yourhost.com/mailman/' with the command bin/config_list -i From mail at crazykiller.de Sun Jan 28 05:57:33 2001 From: mail at crazykiller.de (Crazykiller) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:57:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman Message-ID: <000d01c088e6$d6a950d0$426b22d4@crazykiller> Hello guys, i got some problems with sendmail and dunno what it wants to tell me... The original message was received at Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:51:39 +0100 from mailman at localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" (expanded from: test) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; will.figgn.de Arrival-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:51:39 +0100 Final-Recipient: RFC822; test at will.figgn.de X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper post test at will.figgn.de Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:51:39 +0100 [ Part 3: "Included Message" ] Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:51:39 +0100 From: mailman To: test Subject: test blablabla Jan 28 05:51:39 will sendmail[4345]: FAA04345: from=mailman, size=34, class=0, pri=30034, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200101280451.FAA04345 at will.figgn.de>, relay=mailman at localhost Jan 28 05:51:39 will smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper post test Jan 28 05:51:39 will sendmail[4347]: FAA04345: to="|/usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Service unavailable Jan 28 05:51:39 will sendmail[4347]: FAA04345: FAA04347: DSN: Service unavailable Jan 28 05:51:39 will sendmail[4347]: FAA04347: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent Greets Crazy From siew_chin at yahoo.com Sun Jan 28 13:09:58 2001 From: siew_chin at yahoo.com (Yee Siew Chin) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:09:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman Message-ID: <20010128120958.24587.qmail@web2303.mail.yahoo.com> try to do the following:- ln -sn /usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper remember to restart sendmail before trying it rgds, yee --- Crazykiller wrote: > Hello guys, > > i got some problems with sendmail and dunno what it > wants to tell me... > > The original message was received at Sun, 28 Jan > 2001 05:51:39 +0100 > from mailman at localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal > errors ----- > "|/usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" > (expanded from: test) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 "|/usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper post > test"... Service unavailable > > [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ] > > Reporting-MTA: dns; will.figgn.de > Arrival-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:51:39 +0100 > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; test at will.figgn.de > X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; > |/usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper post > test at will.figgn.de > Action: failed > Status: 5.5.0 > Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:51:39 +0100 > > > [ Part 3: "Included Message" ] > > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:51:39 +0100 > From: mailman > To: test > Subject: test > > blablabla > > > Jan 28 05:51:39 will sendmail[4345]: FAA04345: > from=mailman, size=34, > class=0, pri=30034, nrcpts=1, > msgid=<200101280451.FAA04345 at will.figgn.de>, > relay=mailman at localhost > Jan 28 05:51:39 will smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use > wrapper post test > Jan 28 05:51:39 will sendmail[4347]: FAA04345: > to="|/usr/local/src/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", > delay=00:00:00, > xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Service > unavailable > Jan 28 05:51:39 will sendmail[4347]: FAA04345: > FAA04347: DSN: Service > unavailable > Jan 28 05:51:39 will sendmail[4347]: FAA04347: > to=root, delay=00:00:00, > xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent > > Greets > > Crazy > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From maren at leizaola.com Mon Jan 29 04:23:24 2001 From: maren at leizaola.com (Maren S. Leizaola) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:23:24 +0800 (Taipei Standard Time) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending multiple reminders. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Can someone tell me how many reminders for confirmation mailman sends, how can I configure this? Regards, Maren. From mjs at blitz-technology.net Mon Jan 29 06:11:28 2001 From: mjs at blitz-technology.net (Mitchell) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:11:28 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminders Message-ID: <20010129151128.A9780@blitz-technology.net> Is it possible to turn password reminders off for just one user? situation here. I have 2 mailing lists program-announce and program-users I want any email I send to program-announce sent to the program-users list as well so I subscribe program-users to program-announce no worries. however Mailman sends out a password reminder on the 1st of every month nd I really don't want all the subscribers of program-users to get the password for the list subscription. So can I turn off password reminders for program-users?? any hints appreciated. Thanks From esper at sherohman.org Mon Jan 29 08:15:37 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:15:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password reminders In-Reply-To: <20010129151128.A9780@blitz-technology.net>; from mjs@blitz-technology.net on Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 03:11:28PM +1000 References: <20010129151128.A9780@blitz-technology.net> Message-ID: <20010129011537.A587@sherohman.org> On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 03:11:28PM +1000, Mitchell wrote: > nd I really don't want all the subscribers of program-users to get the > password for the list subscription. > > So can I turn off password reminders for program-users?? > > any hints appreciated. Do it a different way: On the Privacy Options page for program-users, add program-announce-admin to the list of "Addresses whose postings are always held for approval." That should stop password reminders (or anything else from program-announce-admin) from going to program-users without your explicit consent. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk Mon Jan 29 16:15:38 2001 From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:15:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Python and mailman Message-ID: <051801c08a06$593a3e40$2614348f@shu.ac.uk> We are currently using Python version 1.5.1 and Mailman version 1.0. We wish to move to Mailman version 2.0. In preparation for this I installed Python version 2.0. A bad thing was noticed ;-) mail was accepted into mailman but not distributed out. Looking at the smtp-failures log file I see messages of the following type 28 10:07:04 2001 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['A.D.Person at shu.ac.uk', 'J.Someone at shu.ac.uk']: Jan 29 10:09:26 2001 TrySMTPDelivery: exceptions.TypeError / connect requires exactly 1 argument; 2 given (dequeued) Is/was this a known problem and if so can I expect the same thing using version 1.5.2 of Python (the minimum for installing version 2 of mailman)? Regards Incidentally [to add to the list of MTA mailman is known to work with] I have installed it with Nexor's PP or Mailer software and will write up the installation quirks if anyone is interest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010129/894eb81f/attachment.html From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca Mon Jan 29 18:07:51 2001 From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding out all the list administrator on a site In-Reply-To: <059201c08a07$6ce190a0$2614348f@shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Ray Gardener wrote: > We will be upgrading our Mailman installation shortly and I wish to > notify all the list admins of this. Is there straightforward way of > collecting all the mail addresses using a script? You may find this method useful. I have a mailman list named owners-list which I use to distribute information to mailman list owners. I use the attached owners-update script to keep it up-to-date. I have my own newlist and rmlist wrapper scripts that call owners-update. The other script named owners displays all list owners. -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ -------------- next part -------------- #!/bin/sh # # for each list # use config_list to extract and print list owner addresses # end # pass the list of owners to sync_members to update owners-list # # Todd Pfaff # Feb 17 2000 # cd $HOME/lists for list in *; do eval ` \ config_list -o - $list \ | grep '^owner' \ | tr -d "\[\],'" \ | sed \ -e 's/ = /="/' \ -e 's/$/"/' \ ` for o in $owner; do echo $o done done \ | sort -u \ | sync_members -a=no -w=no -f - owners-list -------------- next part -------------- #!/bin/sh list=$1 if [ "$list" = "" ]; then echo usage: $0 listname exit 1 fi eval ` \ config_list -o - $list \ | grep '^owner' \ | tr -d "\[\],'" \ | sed \ -e 's/ = /="/' \ -e 's/$/"/' \ ` for o in $owner; do echo $o done From cbsbass at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 19:35:56 2001 From: cbsbass at yahoo.com (cbsbass) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:35:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.01 not sending messages Message-ID: <20010129183556.12347.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> --- sweetsue at sweethomes.com wrote: > I have several lists and they have all ceased > posting. I checked and cleared the qfiles area and > did a bit of minor tweaking (as prescribed in other > related postings on this) and it hasn't done any > good. Mail gets processed as it should then sits in > the qfiles area. Verify the qrunner script is running from your mailman cron jobs. You might also try running the script manully to see if that's the problem. -bret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Jan 29 22:33:19 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:33:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscriptions Message-ID: <3A75E19F.C011B9BA@pcraft.com> When doing a mass subscribe through the web interface, mailman loves sending out one message per subscriber to the admin of the list. In other words, if I typed in 100 emails in the text field and hit Submit, I will get 100 emails, each one with a different subscriber's email in it. Is there a way to make mailman send out ONE email, containing all the subscriptions in it? AMK4 -- W | | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. |____________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 SysAdmin / Websmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . eFax 248.671.0909 http://www.pcraft.com . 3550 Arapahoe Ave #6 .................. . . . . Boulder, CO 80303, USA From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Jan 29 22:45:07 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:45:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q2: Mass _UN_subscribing Message-ID: <3A75E463.C545F8B5@pcraft.com> When unsubscribing an email through the web interface (by unselecting the 'subscr' box) , is there a way to tell Mailman _NOT_ to send out an unsubscribe message to said address? AMK4 -- W | | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. |____________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 SysAdmin / Websmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . eFax 248.671.0909 http://www.pcraft.com . 3550 Arapahoe Ave #6 .................. . . . . Boulder, CO 80303, USA From dan.mick at west.sun.com Mon Jan 29 23:49:10 2001 From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:49:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Python and mailman References: <051801c08a06$593a3e40$2614348f@shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3A75F366.E67349DB@west.sun.com> Known problem with old Python code. Upgrade to Mailman 2.0.1 and all will be well again. (Mailman started supporting Python 2.0 sometime around 2.0beta3 if I remember right.) > Ray Gardener wrote: > > We are currently using Python version 1.5.1 and Mailman version 1.0. We wish to move to Mailman version 2.0. In > preparation for this I installed Python version 2.0. A bad thing was noticed ;-) mail was accepted into mailman but > not distributed out. Looking at the smtp-failures log file I see messages of the following type > > 28 10:07:04 2001 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['A.D.Person at shu.ac.uk', 'J.Someone at shu.ac.uk']: > Jan 29 10:09:26 2001 TrySMTPDelivery: exceptions.TypeError / connect requires exactly 1 argument; 2 given (dequeued) > > > Is/was this a known problem and if so can I expect the same thing using version 1.5.2 of Python (the minimum for > installing version 2 of mailman)? > > > Regards > > Incidentally [to add to the list of MTA mailman is known to work with] I have installed it with Nexor's PP or Mailer > software and will write up the installation quirks if anyone is interest. From dan.mick at west.sun.com Mon Jan 29 23:49:58 2001 From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:49:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding out all the list administrator on a site References: <059201c08a07$6ce190a0$2614348f@shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3A75F396.3CAA96C6@west.sun.com> Grovel through the outputs of either bin/config_list or bin/dumpdb with grep/awk. Use "ls lists/*" to generate a list of lists. > Ray Gardener wrote: > > We will be upgrading our Mailman installation shortly and I wish to notify all the list admins of this. Is there > straightforward way of collecting all the mail addresses using a script? > > Regards > > Ray > > > From dan.mick at west.sun.com Mon Jan 29 23:54:11 2001 From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:54:11 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q2: Mass _UN_subscribing References: <3A75E463.C545F8B5@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3A75F493.807F2D18@west.sun.com> No. It looks like bin/remove_members also sends an unsubscribe. If it were important enough, you could temporarily set the goodbye_msg to null; that would stop it. Or you could hack a copy of bin/remove_members to include "userack=0" in the call to DeleteMember(). "Ashley M. Kirchner" wrote: > > When unsubscribing an email through the web interface (by > unselecting the 'subscr' box) , is there a way to tell Mailman _NOT_ to > send out an unsubscribe message to said address? > > AMK4 > > -- > W | > | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. > |____________________________________________________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > SysAdmin / Websmith . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . eFax 248.671.0909 > http://www.pcraft.com . 3550 Arapahoe Ave #6 > .................. . . . . Boulder, CO 80303, USA > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ejc at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 30 03:14:28 2001 From: ejc at twcny.rr.com (elly) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:14:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host server change - info needed Message-ID: Hi, Can anyone tell me how to export and import users/passwords and archives from one mail list server to another server. I need to be able to tell the original server host administrator what files he needs to export for me to import into the new server host. I am using Mailman with Linux RH 7.0, Apache, and Sendmail. Thank you, elly ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ellen J. Cramer Digital Libraries Research Computer Science Cornell University From canario.joe at teleline.es Tue Jan 30 03:38:29 2001 From: canario.joe at teleline.es (CJoe) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:38:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFCs ... (mailman+mailer) ... Message-ID: <7535299950.20010130023829@teleline.es> dear all, i was truly happy to get to know of the existence of mailman (and its features) from our sysadmin, a few days ago; it is truly nice to read mailman has most of the features commercial & expensive listserv has ... i have a few questions: (a) does mailman make a copy of the message to each of the recipients (as majordomo does) or does it work in the form of a (listserv) job such as //V22.5y JOB Echo=yes DISTRIBUTE MAIL //TO DD * recipient1 at xy.domain recipient2 at xy.domain recipient3 at xy.domain recipient ... n ... at xy.domain /* //DATA DD *,EOF,Res=Disk Date: day month year time From: name of sender, address of sender Subject: subject To: Dear colleagues, ... bla bla blah ... ___ end of message i.e. sending the message with distribution list to a server and "exploding" the contents due to some routing tables arrangement, saving much bandwidth and cpu time, etc. ... The example above is a critical factor for the acceptance of Mailman. In this respect, Majodomo is truly poor (excuse me); (b) also, i would like to know of any "good combination" of a mailer (other than sendmail) and mailman ... and ... (c) if which (if any) linux or bsd distribution is stable for large emailing lists. cheers, canario.joe at teleline.es ___ From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com Tue Jan 30 03:55:53 2001 From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:55:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFCs ... (mailman+mailer) ... Message-ID: <200101300254.SAA00502@utopia.west.sun.com> > (a) does mailman make a copy of the message to each of the > recipients (as majordomo does) or does it work in the form > of a (listserv) job such as > i.e. sending the message with distribution list to a server > and "exploding" the contents due to some routing tables > arrangement, saving much bandwidth and cpu time, etc. ... yes, although I can't believe Majordomo doesn't do that as well. Mailman will send mail to N users using M SMTP transactions (or invocations of sendmail if you have it so configured), where M = N / (some constant). From paragmehta at mailmetoday.com Tue Jan 30 07:11:53 2001 From: paragmehta at mailmetoday.com (Parag Mehta) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:11:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help to block posts ! Message-ID: <20010130061153.37599E725@mail.python.org> Hi ALl can any one let me know how can we block html posts to the lists and bounce them back to the sender saying no html posts allowed or nay other custom message. regards, parag mehta Parag Mehta e-mail: paragmehta at mailmetoday.com From gorg at sun1.imbi.uni-freiburg.de Tue Jan 30 10:24:59 2001 From: gorg at sun1.imbi.uni-freiburg.de (Georg Koch) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:24:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding out all the list administrator on a site In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:01:21 EST." <20010129170121.3D376F01E@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <200101300924.KAA29400@sun6.imbi.uni-freiburg.de> > We will be upgrading our Mailman installation shortly and I wish to notify > all the list admins of this. Is there straightforward way of collecting all > the mail addresses using a script? Ray, here is my script. #!/bin/sh # output 'listname : owner' for all lists for i in ../lists/*; do this=`basename $i` printf "$this : " config_list -o - $this | egrep '^owner =' | cut -f2 -d"'" done I redirect the output in a file 'owners' for quick reference (and to 'sync_members' a listowners list that I use to announce such things ) Best wishes Georg -- -- Georg Koch (gorg at ami1.ukl.uni-freiburg.de) | Phone: +49 761 203 6710 German Cochrane Centre | Fax: +49 761 203 6712 Mail: Institute of Medical Biometry and Medical Informatics Stefan-Meier-Strasse 26, D-79104 Freiburg, Germany ...................................................................... Do you know what a kibibit, mebibyte, or gibibyte is? go to http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html to find out! -- -- Georg Koch (gorg at ami1.ukl.uni-freiburg.de) | Phone: +49 761 203 6710 German Cochrane Centre | Fax: +49 761 203 6712 Mail: Institute of Medical Biometry and Medical Informatics Stefan-Meier-Strasse 26, D-79104 Freiburg, Germany ...................................................................... Do you know what a kibibit, mebibyte, or gibibyte is? go to http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html to find out! From terry at brothersfamily.net Tue Jan 30 12:57:00 2001 From: terry at brothersfamily.net (Terry Brothers) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:57:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate entries Message-ID: <01aa01c08ab3$c16f4d90$97d5d4d3@BF.TBMENTERPRISES.COM> How does mailman handle duplicate entries in a list? Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mat at iphrase.com Tue Jan 30 15:43:16 2001 From: mat at iphrase.com (Walker, Mathew) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:43:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting by Domain Message-ID: <3BF50BC1C2B5D411A06700508BD94D612418BC@exchange2.iphrase.com> Is there a way I can allow posting from specified domains only to a list? i.e. only people from "purple.com" can post to the 'purple' mailing list. -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- Mathew Walker - mat at iphrase.com From hillson at iastate.edu Tue Jan 30 16:57:48 2001 From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:57:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list password Message-ID: Sorry if this is a RTFM questions, but I can not find the answer the docs I have. How do you change the password in a list you create and you forgot it. I created a list for a user and he typed in his password for it and not he can not remember it. I need to get create a new password for him. thanks, Tom -- /--------------------------------------------------------- | Tom Hillson Computer Services Manager | hillson at iastate.edu College of Agriculture | http://www.ag.iastate.edu Iowa State University | (515) 294-1543 phone B2 Curtiss Hall | (515) 294-1349 fax Ames, IA 50011 >--------------------------------------------------------- |"The only thing I have too much of is too little time" \--------------------------------------------------------- From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jan 30 17:43:03 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:43:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFCs ... (mailman+mailer) ... In-Reply-To: <7535299950.20010130023829@teleline.es>; from canario.joe@teleline.es on Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 02:38:29AM +0000 References: <7535299950.20010130023829@teleline.es> Message-ID: <20010130104303.B18891@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 02:38:29AM +0000, CJoe wrote: > i.e. sending the message with distribution list to a server > and "exploding" the contents due to some routing tables > arrangement, saving much bandwidth and cpu time, etc. ... Mailman does it the smart way. > (b) also, i would like to know of any "good combination" of > a mailer (other than sendmail) and mailman ... I run Mailman with exim and it seems to work well, although my largest list is only ~250 members. I can't comment on how well it scales to truly large lists. > (c) if which (if any) linux or bsd distribution is stable > for large emailing lists. I run Mailman on a Debian system, but, again, I only deal in relatively small lists. I doubt that you'd have any OS-related difficulties, though. Your MTA is far more likely than your OS to cause problems. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From esper at sherohman.org Tue Jan 30 17:47:49 2001 From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:47:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list password In-Reply-To: ; from hillson@iastate.edu on Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:57:48AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010130104749.C18891@sherohman.org> On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 09:57:48AM -0600, Thomas Hillson wrote: > Sorry if this is a RTFM questions, but I can not find the answer the > docs I have. How do you change the password in a list you create and > you forgot it. > > I created a list for a user and he typed in his password for it and > not he can not remember it. I need to get create a new password for > him. You can do this through the normal web admin interface by using the list or site admin password in place of the old user password. You can also change list admin passwords using the site admin password. -- SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres and at home. - SGI job posting Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+ From jake at dsmci.com Tue Jan 30 19:45:41 2001 From: jake at dsmci.com (Jake Miller) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:45:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't Administer Lists Message-ID: OK, I have mailman almost all the way set up. There are a few problems though. I can't administer the list on the web, and I can't subscribe to any lists. I can view subscribers, and view the list info page, but the admin page just never comes up. I've run check perms and everything is ok. I'm stumped. Jake From greatofferlist at usa.net Tue Jan 30 21:55:29 2001 From: greatofferlist at usa.net (greatofferlist at usa.net) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:55:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi, Just for you. Bonus for opening this Email!!! Message-ID: <20010130205529.54E0FE94B@mail.python.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010130/e5d2a210/attachment.html From hillson at iastate.edu Tue Jan 30 22:20:38 2001 From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:20:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limiting Mail Headers Message-ID: Is there any way to limit the headers attached to the beginning of the mail message? I have some lists that are special restricted lists and should not have headers like this as no one but a restricted list can send mail to the list and no one can subscribe or unsubscribe. They also have no archives as they are just one-way information lists for a different management groups. thanks, Tom -- /--------------------------------------------------------- | Tom Hillson Computer Services Manager | hillson at iastate.edu College of Agriculture | http://www.ag.iastate.edu Iowa State University | (515) 294-1543 phone B2 Curtiss Hall | (515) 294-1349 fax Ames, IA 50011 >--------------------------------------------------------- |"The only thing I have too much of is too little time" \--------------------------------------------------------- From jl at simegen.com Tue Jan 30 22:42:05 2001 From: jl at simegen.com (jl) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:42:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3.0 Message-ID: <001e01c08b05$8304c880$42018aac@x> Mail-men and women! I am President of Sime~Gen Inc. which owns www.simegen.com -- and I'm not a tech. Our techs have just installed and deployed Mailman for our growing number of Lists and Newsletters, and I've just today begun to explore its capabilities. I found your site www.list.org and the wishlist listing. You've got just about everything I was wishing for in your WishList Page. The most important item for me is the ability of users to turn off the email-reminders of passwords. I would add the ability to import or "migrate" lists from other software and retain the user's customized settings, and the ability to upgrade from the current Mailman version to 3.0 without any users losing their customized settings. So may I ask WHEN could you reasonably expect to release 3.0? 1 year? 3 years? Eagerly, Jacqueline Lichtenberg President Sime~Gen Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010130/ce25180e/attachment.htm From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jan 31 01:24:47 2001 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:24:47 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] send no password supported ? Message-ID: <3A775B4F.B84EDF6F@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, When a user subscribe to a list, he gets welcome message which states: > You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the > Web page noted above. But I can find any feature relating this on /mailman/options//
page. Is this feature really supported ? -- Tokio Kikuchi From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jan 31 01:31:23 2001 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:31:23 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] send no password supported ? References: <3A775B4F.B84EDF6F@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3A775CDB.8F5461E6@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> sorry for the typo. or may my poor english. Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > Hi, > > When a user subscribe to a list, he gets welcome message > which states: > > > You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the > > Web page noted above. > > But I can find any feature relating this on ^^NOT > /mailman/options//
page. > > Is this feature really supported ? > > -- > Tokio Kikuchi From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com Wed Jan 31 01:42:26 2001 From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:42:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] send no password supported ? Message-ID: <200101310040.QAA06383@utopia.west.sun.com> left hand column, second yellow bar says Your Password Forgotten Your Password? Click this button to have your password emailed to your list delivery address. ------------------------- | Email My Password To Me | ------------------------- That pretty clearly looks like that feature to me. > sorry for the typo. or may my poor english. > > Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > When a user subscribe to a list, he gets welcome message > > which states: > > > > > You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the > > > Web page noted above. > > > > But I can find any feature relating this on > ^^NOT > > > /mailman/options//
page. > > > > Is this feature really supported ? > > > > -- > > Tokio Kikuchi > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Jan 31 02:03:14 2001 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:03:14 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] send no password supported ? References: <200101310040.QAA06383@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3A776452.DC7195E1@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Dan Mick wrote: > > ------------------------- > | Email My Password To Me | > ------------------------- > > That pretty clearly looks like that feature to me. Well, it looks like another language problem. (I am working on traslating into japanese.) The welcome mail says: > If you forget your password, don't worry, you will receive a monthly > reminder telling you what all your %(host_name)s mailing list passwords > are, and how to unsubscribe or change your options. There is also a > button on your options page that will email your current password to > you. So, it is a duplicate statement. > > > > > You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the > > > > Web page noted above. This sounds like the page has another option like, Mail your password monthly: [x] ON [ ] OFF -- Tokio Kikuchi From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com Wed Jan 31 03:28:36 2001 From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:28:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] send no password supported ? Message-ID: <200101310226.SAA10710@utopia.west.sun.com> > Dan Mick wrote: > > > > ------------------------- > > | Email My Password To Me | > > ------------------------- > > > > That pretty clearly looks like that feature to me. > > Well, it looks like another language problem. > (I am working on traslating into japanese.) > > The welcome mail says: > > > If you forget your password, don't worry, you will receive a monthly > > reminder telling you what all your %(host_name)s mailing list passwords > > are, and how to unsubscribe or change your options. There is also a > > button on your options page that will email your current password to > > you. > > So, it is a duplicate statement. No; the monthly reminder is automatic (and can be disabled for the whole list by the list admin). The "get my password right now" is available to anyone at any time, but they have to go to the web page to make it happen. > > > > > You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the > > > > > Web page noted above. > > This sounds like the page has another option like, > > Mail your password monthly: > [x] ON [ ] OFF Well, there are two different features, but the "have your password mailed to you" refers to the "button on your options page". Monthly reminders are different. From rick at neverslow.com Wed Jan 31 06:00:58 2001 From: rick at neverslow.com (Rick VanNorman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:00:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems running under OpenBSD In-Reply-To: <004f01be4cc2$f003cd60$3c05a8c0@tonny> References: <200101310040.QAA06383@utopia.west.sun.com> <004f01be4cc2$f003cd60$3c05a8c0@tonny> Message-ID: <200101302100580347.0113E0E9@mail.neverslow.com> Hello group, I have successfully run Mailman on several Linux boxes. Recently, we have moved all of our servers to OpenBSD, and I've been trying to get the mailing lists ported with no success. 1. Using OpenBSD v2.8 2. Running Postfix for MTA 3. Installed per FAQ for postfix. 4. Installed per README.BSD The problems start when I try to create a new list. The newlist script hangs on sending owner notification message, and eventually times out. Here is the content of logs/smtp: Jan 31 09:12:25 2001 (1640) All recipients refused: (60, 'Connection timed out') Jan 31 09:12:25 2001 (1640) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 75.015 seconds and smtp-failure: Jan 31 09:12:26 2001 (1640) -1 rick at neverslow.com (ignore) and post: Jan 31 09:12:25 2001 (1640) post to test3 from mailman-owner at mars.neverslow.com, size=1324, 1 failures My system maillog has no references to mailman at all. I put a simple debug message (no python expert, I !!!!) in newlist just after building the message, and it printed on stdio what I think is a reasonable message which should have been sent to owner. I'm not even sure what other information I should include here. Any help or suggestions are appreciated, any stupid things I have overlooked are welcome, any ideas at all! Thanks, Rick VanNorman > From Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE Wed Jan 31 14:45:31 2001 From: Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE (Florian Weimer) Date: 31 Jan 2001 14:45:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Speeding up delivery Message-ID: Is it possible to tell Mailman to send outgoing mail for a mailing list in several separate batches? My mailer (Exim) delivers a message for multiple recipients sequentially. Of course, this is more efficient in terms of network usage, but processing several batches in parallel is faster (and network bandwidth isn't an issue here). In addition, administrative requests are not handled until the cron/qrunner script is run---I'd prefer if they were dealt with immediately. Did I miss some config options? I'm running Mailman 2.0.1. Thanks, -- Florian Weimer Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE University of Stuttgart http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/ RUS-CERT +49-711-685-5973/fax +49-711-685-5898 From amy at emji.net Wed Jan 31 14:55:14 2001 From: amy at emji.net (Amy Dollison) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:55:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML coding Message-ID: <4195573.3189920114@adhcp46.emji.net> Hello, We are currently using your mailman software at our company. We would like to give a different look and feel to each client for how the email lists work. I've discovered how to change the html code to some extent, but how do I change text in the already established text areas? What I mean is, if we don't want to give the client the option of viewing other subscribers, how would I go about taking out that text and changing other text in the html code when all I can see in the html code is - I look forward to your feedback. Thanks, Amy -- amy dollison art director emji 888-258-8959 - x152 www.emji.net From dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk Wed Jan 31 15:05:55 2001 From: dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk (Dominic Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:05:55 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin cgi not working Message-ID: <20010131140555.Q22625@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> I've just today started having problems with the web admin interface hanging on the initial load (ie when clicking from the bottom of the listinfo page, say.) The only thing I can explain this by is the upgrade of a small web-based mail program called Neomail (http://neomail.sourceforge.net/) which appears to have caused the problem. However, I can't see anything that would cause this - they operate from completely different directories and neomail should not have altered any other config files. The listinfo pages still seem to work fine. The error I get is as follows: [Wed Jan 31 13:38:57 2001] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin (accompanied by an http error message) and then on subsequent loads the page just hangs, and no further errors are generated. The error message appeared again when I tried an hour later. There are no relevant entries in mailman's own error log. Ideas? -- Dominic Hargreaves | http://dom.magd.ox.ac.uk/ 07976 569915 | You can get my PGP key from my web site. "Only two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" - Albert Einstein From jtwamley at thphys.may.ie Sun Jan 28 16:21:16 2001 From: jtwamley at thphys.may.ie (Jason Twamley) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:21:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to put an image on the Listinfo Public page? Message-ID: <3A7438EC.5C893539@thphys.may.ie> Dear All, I have a mailman listserver and would like to know how I can put an image on this page http://planck.thphys.may.ie/mailman/listinfo/qip I have tried ...you can see the boob here..what does one do? Cheers Jason -- Dr. Jason Twamley Dept. Math Physics National University of Ireland Maynooth, Co. Kildare Tel: (353) 1-708-3553 Fax: (353) 1-708-3967 Email: jtwamley at thphys.may.ie http://www.thphys.may.ie/staff/jtwamley.htm ____________________________________________ Time present and time past Are both perhaps present in time future, And time future contained in time past. If all time is eternally present All time is unredeemable. What might have been is an abstraction Remaining a perpetual possibility Only in a world of speculation. Burnt Norton T.S. Elliot From spaceling at iname.com Wed Jan 31 18:15:20 2001 From: spaceling at iname.com (A.N.Varady) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:15:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] my kludge for reverse sorting mailman's pipermail "sort by date" page Message-ID: <3A784828.1624CCF9@iname.com> Hi, I'm just learning PERL and am using mailman with pipermail. I wanted to add a pipermail generated archive page to my website. So I wrote a little code to turn the html of the "date" sorted page upside down. And I used an SSI and some PHP to add the reverse sorted page to my website. I'm a total novice so this will probably look highly inelegant to more experienced hackers. Maybe my example will be of interest or use to someone, or maybe someone has some comments or improvements for me. First, the link to where this is all happening: http://simpletone.com/pacman/ In this example, I have a page called news.shtml, and a php script called import.php (I need the shtml to tell the web server I'm using Server Side Includes in my page). In my news.shtml I add: import.php looks like this: read.html is the page printed by my reverse sorting PERL script. The script looks like this: --------------------------------------- #!/usr/bin/perl $infile = "/home/mailman/archives/private/philly_ambient/2001-January/date.html"; open (IN, $infile); $text = ''; while ($line = ) { chomp ($line); $text = $text . $line; } my (@lines); $text =~ s/\
  • $out"); foreach $l (@newlines) { print OUT $l; print $l; } close(OUT); -------------------------------------------------------- To get all of this smoothly working for my site I've set this script to run in crontab. I also have another script to find and replace certain strings in read.html that make the page look bad or cause problems). I don't recommend using this script on the pipermail generated thread page. There are two many
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    • tags which make the reversed page look bad. I don't know python, so I don't think I can fix pipermail's sorting problem. Hopefully someone is working on it. I've also had problems with pipermail failing to resolve an author name from email sent from AOL email addresses. Mhonarc doesn't have this bug, but it has other annoying ones for me, so i have to use pipermail for archiving now. If you try to use this script you migh Aharon From bob at nleaudio.com Wed Jan 31 18:26:39 2001 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:26:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to put an image on the Listinfo Public page? References: <3A7438EC.5C893539@thphys.may.ie> Message-ID: <3A784ACF.53A55CC6@nleaudio.com> > I have a mailman listserver and would like to know how I can put an > image on this page > http://planck.thphys.may.ie/mailman/listinfo/qip > I have tried ...you can see the boob here..what does one do? Fully specify the url for the pic. Your URL is bad. Bob From vanhorn at whidbey.com Wed Jan 31 21:14:39 2001 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:14:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML coding References: <4195573.3189920114@adhcp46.emji.net> Message-ID: <3A78722F.82543201@whidbey.com> I haven't tried this myself yet, but I'm assuming that as long as every tag continues to be present on the page it doesn't have to be actually visible to visitors. You should be able to surround some of that info with comment tags: for example, should prevent that data from appearing. Changing the content of those tags to something else would require actually modifying the Mailman code, something that I'm not about to attempt myself. Van Amy Dollison wrote: > > Hello, > > We are currently using your mailman software at our company. We would like > to give a different look and feel to each client for how the email lists > work. I've discovered how to change the html code to some extent, but how > do I change text in the already established text areas? What I mean is, if > we don't want to give the client the option of viewing other subscribers, > how would I go about taking out that text and changing other text in the > html code when all I can see in the html code is - > > > I look forward to your feedback. > Thanks, > Amy > > -- > amy dollison > art director > emji > > 888-258-8959 - x152 > www.emji.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Sign up now for Twisted History, a decidedly skewed look at the events that have brought us from the Neanderthal Age to the Network Era. Daily looks at the madness we've been through, birthdays of the famous and infamous, quotes from the giants of the ages. http://www.twistedhistory.com mailto:twisted at whidbey.com?subject=Subscribe_TM ---------------------------------------------------------- From jmatos at math.ist.utl.pt Wed Jan 31 20:21:02 2001 From: jmatos at math.ist.utl.pt (Joao Palhoto Matos) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:21:02 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: accessing admin pages: hit and misses Message-ID: <3A78659E.212F93C3@math.ist.utl.pt> Hi: We have been experiencing troubles similar to Mr. Kolar. For one of our lists accessing the admin interface has become impossible, the request times out, etc. We are also running mailman 2.0.1 under Digital Unix 4.0 E (which later bacame TrUnix). This being too much of a coincidence I wonder if someone has found an explanation. Two approved are somewhere in limbo. Looking at logs hasn't helped. -- Jo?o Palhoto Matos http://www.math.ist.utl.pt/~jmatos Departamento de Matem?tica Instituto Superior T?cnico Lisboa mailto:jmatos at math.ist.utl.pt From JohnJ at mindquake.com Wed Jan 31 23:03:55 2001 From: JohnJ at mindquake.com (John Jones) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:03:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List down? Message-ID: <48C91D47909B3447A26FF7BEE68B33F52BE665@pestilence.internal.mindquake.com> The links from the list.org website in the lists area (that lead to the mailman pages on python.org) are dead. I am trying to subscribe, but cannot. From dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk Wed Jan 31 23:05:15 2001 From: dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk (Dominic Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:05:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin cgi not working In-Reply-To: <200101312150.NAA07541@utopia.west.sun.com>; from dmick@utopia.west.sun.com on Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 01:51:58PM -0800 References: <200101312150.NAA07541@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20010131220515.K32356@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 01:51:58PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote: > > > [Wed Jan 31 13:38:57 2001] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of > > script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin > > Since you say there aren't errors in mailman's log, I assume this > is in the web server's log? Aren't both Neomail and Mailman > heavily assisted by the web server? Are you *sure* Neomail didn't > change something about the web server configuration, like maybe > something to do with CGI scripts? Yes, this is Apache's error_log > > > and then on subsequent loads the page just hangs, and no further errors > > are generated. > > Doubtless because there's a lock file around from the CGI script > exiting prematurely. Indeed. Of course, now I try it 6 hours later, it appears to work. No changes that I could see. Gah. Black magic at work, I feel. I'll report back if I have further problems. Cheers, -- Dominic Hargreaves | http://dom.magd.ox.ac.uk/ You can get my PGP key from my web site. "Only two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" - Albert Einstein From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com Wed Jan 31 23:02:51 2001 From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:02:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Speeding up delivery Message-ID: <200101312200.OAA08297@utopia.west.sun.com> > Is it possible to tell Mailman to send outgoing mail for a mailing > list in several separate batches? It already does. > My mailer (Exim) delivers a message > for multiple recipients sequentially. Of course, this is more > efficient in terms of network usage, but processing several batches in > parallel is faster (and network bandwidth isn't an issue here). Oh, do you mean "simultaneous batches"? If your Python is built with threads, you can use mm_cfg's MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS. I've never tried it. As with everything you can set in mm_cfg, see Defaults.py for documentation, and set it in mm_cfg.py if you decide to try it. > In addition, administrative requests are not handled until the > cron/qrunner script is run---I'd prefer if they were dealt with > immediately. Yeah; I know Barry's working on redoing some of that stuff for 2.1. Right now, it runs as a queue message, just like all the rest of it. I don't see any good reason that you couldn't invoke " ~mailman/cron/qrunner" from the mail alias that accepts commands, or from the end of the CGI script that sends commands. From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com Wed Jan 31 22:51:58 2001 From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:51:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin cgi not working Message-ID: <200101312150.NAA07541@utopia.west.sun.com> > I've just today started having problems with the web admin interface > hanging on the initial load (ie when clicking from the bottom of the > listinfo page, say.) > > The only thing I can explain this by is the upgrade of a small web-based > mail program called Neomail (http://neomail.sourceforge.net/) which > appears to have caused the problem. However, I can't see anything that > would cause this - they operate from completely different directories and > neomail should not have altered any other config files. > > The listinfo pages still seem to work fine. > > The error I get is as follows: > > [Wed Jan 31 13:38:57 2001] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of > script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin Since you say there aren't errors in mailman's log, I assume this is in the web server's log? Aren't both Neomail and Mailman heavily assisted by the web server? Are you *sure* Neomail didn't change something about the web server configuration, like maybe something to do with CGI scripts? > and then on subsequent loads the page just hangs, and no further errors > are generated. Doubtless because there's a lock file around from the CGI script exiting prematurely.