[Mailman-Users] installing

Enriko Groen enriko.groen at netivity.nl
Mon Jul 9 09:37:32 CEST 2001

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Carlile [mailto:dagda at eircom.net]
> I am not altogether sure what is to be gained from using 
> linux. I cannot see 
> any significant advantages of it over WIndows. Indeed windows 
> is much less 
> messy and has less bugs. A lot of exaggeration concerning the 
> benefits of 
> Linux. Some just seem to like doing things the hard way. Or 
> can anybody see 
> something I cannot.

Imagine the time you spent on Windows. Don't tell me you knew how to work
with it at once.
Don't think of Windows as a standard; although many people think of this.
Unix is more towards basics, it sticks to these and I feel that in the end
this is better. Just like MacOS sticks to it's basics (being intuative and
newbie friendly).

MicroSoft is just going with the flow to much IMO... They check what's hot
and go in that direction... if it's browsers... promote IExplorer... If it's
messengers... promote Messenger... next thing... .Net. Windows just tries to
much to be the ultimate solution for every (computer-related) "problem".

What you are doing now is comparing to products that have different
backgrounds and different approuches. You pick one as the standard and say:
the other doesn't work like this, so it's bad.

Also you totally skip over the learning curve that every product needs.
Imagine that you are a car mechanic and start working on airplanes. Although
some things might be the same a lot of things will be fairly different while
the goal of both products is transportation.

> It is very frustrating. I have spent hours at it. By the way 
> that guy Cerf 
> who established TCP/IP was in an interview on the tv. He must 
> have made lots 
> of money out of his discovery. Network programming is among the most 
> difficult forms of programming. It really is where it is at.

Like I told you, Karl, and am telling you again:
Unix is not something that feels straight forward from the beginning. If you
are looking for something intuative, MacOS, Windows and BeOS are much better
choices. At least at the beginning.

When you get used to the interface, the way of thinking Unix is so much
better. My company was all WindowsNT based and I'm trying slowly to
introduce FreeBSD machines. I really hate Exchange now and IIS is an
unstable wreck.

With Windows I never loose the feeling that I'm not completly in control of
the machine.

One of my favorite qoutes:
"Unix is user-friendly. It's just very selective about who it's friends

> If I cannot work mailman could I as an alternative use 
> majordomo with windows 
> 98 2nd edition. It is free too.

Just once more:
I think Eudora has something that could function like a mailing list
manager. However it's an email client trying to be a mailing list manager.
Which is not a real good solution.
I'm still pressing you: go with something like Yahoogroups, careless howmuch
you dislike their advertisements. Or find a friendly network operator that
is willing to host your mailinglist.

Then... get a Unix/Linux distribution from the shop WITH A BOOK and start
I can recommend FreeBSD with "The FreeBSD Handbook"; I had good experience
with that. But I'm sure you would be fine with an other choice to (SuSe
Linux seems to be pretty newbie friendly).

>From that point on start learning and maybe in 6 months or so you'll have
your server up and running. Then you could move your list to your own site.

And finally,
this is not really a discussion for the Mailman mailinglist.
Enriko Groen, Hosting manager
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