[Mailman-Users] help with rather time-sensitive dilemma??
J C Lawrence
claw at 2wire.com
Wed Jul 11 01:52:36 CEST 2001
ObApologia: I'm not a QMail user so no betting please.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:21:47 -0700
arandall <Amanda> wrote:
> The qmail-users mailing list has been zero help. In fact nobody
> even had any suggestions... So I turn once again to youse folks.
Given their parochial attitude regarding EZMLM that's not
> Here's what's happening. I subscribe my local account on the
> server where Mailman and qmail reside (amanda at tux) [hey, don't
> blame me for the corny server name!]. I get a confirmation of my
If the list is configured to also send an alert to the owner, does
the owner also receive one? (bottom of first admin page)
> I send a message from amanda at tux to testlist at tux. A message is
> sent back to amanda at tux informing me that my post has been held
> for moderator approval; that message to my user does arrive. The
> message awaiting approval does show up in the admin web
> interface. The admin does NOT get email notification that there's
> a post waiting for approval (and I should be getting that,
> shouldn't I?
If configured as such. (bottom of first admin page)
> I have it set to notify as posts come in, not at the end of the
Then you should get an alert.
What happens if you run mail or mailx from the command line and
send a message to the owner address (testlist-owner at tux)? Does it
What happens if you telnet to port 25 on the localhost and
hand-write a message to the owner address? Does it
Repeat the last with the FQDN for the host.
What happens if you use 'sendmail -t' to send a message to the
owner? Does it get delivered?
Which delivery model are you using under Mailman: sendmail or
SmptDirect? (recommend SmtpDirect)
> qmail logs show the message (114919) from amanda at tux to local
> testlist at tux delivered successfully at 15:15. (the post) one
> message (114919, same as above) delivered successfully from
> testlist-admin at tux to testlist-admin at tux at 15:16. one message
> (115070) being delivered successfully from testlist-admin at tux to
> testlist-admin at tux at 15:16; one message (114919) delivered
> successfully from amanda at tux to amanda at tux at 15:20. (presumably
> the notification that my post is being held for approval?)
> That's it. Nothing, nada. There are no errors showing refused
> connections, timeouts, etc in the qmail logs (and these show up
> very nicely when mail doesn't send, at least under other
> [non-mailman] circumstances). The actual message never arrives in
> any subscriber's box. In fact, from what I can see of the above,
> the message is never being sent OUT to the list. Here's another
> clue - Mailman bounce logs show the following (at present, this
> email address is the admin!):
> 15:17:01 (6301) Testlist: arandall at auntminnie.com - 2 more allowed
> over -521998 secs 15:37:03 (6420) Testlist:
> arandall at auntminnie.com - 2 more allowed over -523201 secs
> 15:37:03 (6420) Testlist: arandall at auntminnie.com - 1 more allowed
> over -523201 secs 15:37:04 (6420) Testlist:
> arandall at auntminnie.com - 0 more allowed over -523201 secs
Urk. That's bad.
> Now, qmail can send mail to arandall at auntminnie.com without
> issue. I do it all the time... So why does Mailman think it's
If you do the above analysis steps (mailx and hand-write SMTP) you
should have a much better idea of what may be happening, especially
if you also watch your mail logs.
J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu
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