[Mailman-Users] help with rather time-sensitive dilemma??

Amanda arandall at auntminnie.com
Fri Jul 13 00:13:31 CEST 2001

J C Lawrence wrote:

> Now we're making progress.
> Please repeat the same experiments using your address instead of
> -owner.  They should all succeed this time, but we need to check to
> make absolutely sure where the fences are.

Yeh, works fine. =)

> If I read this right the message some into QMail and is delivered
> successfully.  The question is delivered to what/where.  I'm a
> little curious that it doesn't note that its actually being handed
> to a Mailman wrapper pipe.  Please check very carefully to ensure
> that your aliases are set up to accomplish the following (paths may
> vary):
>   testlist:                    "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"
>   testlist-admin:              "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist"
>   testlist-request:            "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist"
>   testlist-owner:              testlist-admin

qmail aliases are set up differently from sendmail aliases. Each alias is a separate file in the /var/qmail/alias
directory. Here they are:

/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-testlist           |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist
/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-testlist-admin     |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist
/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-testlist-owner     testlist-admin
/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-testlist-request   |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist

The |preline you see is apparently (what the heck do I know?) necessary for qmail to understand what's being piped, or
where it's being piped, or something....  That came from the readme.qmail in the docs. I can try it without the
preline, but something's floating around in the back of my memory about that not working... or at least, being "more

>  Create a text file which contains a standard RFC 2822 message.
>   it really doesn't matter what it is other than the fact that you
>   can recognise it when you see it.
>   Run the following as the appropriate user:
>     $ cat message_file | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist
>   What happens?  Logs?

Sent it from user "alias" (who belongs to the qmail group "nofiles") and got no errors from the terminal.
Syslog has nothing relevant to report.
Servicelog shows:
01/7/12 at 14:10:54: START: telnet pid=5519 from=[my.workstation.ip.address]
01/7/12 at 14:20:04: START: smtp pid=5709 from=
mailman/logs/bounce shows:
14:20:04 2001 (5707) Testlist: arandall at auntminnie.com - exceeds limits (This was the From: in the message)
14:20:04 2001 (5707) Testlist: already disabled arandall at auntminnie.com
mailman/logs/error shows something finally, though it's not directly related to the current test (it's been empty till
Jul 11 12:50:04 2001 (10163) testlist: Bounce recipient loop encountered!
                  (Ie, bounce notification addr, itself, bounces.)
                  Bad admin recipient: arandall at auntminnie.com
mailman/logs/post shows:
Jul 12 14:20:04 2001 (5707) post to testlist from arandall at auntminnie.com, size=20, 1 failures
mailman/logs/smtp shows:
Jul 12 14:20:04 2001 (5707) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.331 secs

> While you're at it, also check correct operation of the -request
> address.

I did cat temp.txt | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist ; the message was from amanda at tux.[foo.bar] this time,
and to testlist-request at tux.[foo.bar].

Jul 12 14:44:02 2001 (5773) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.312 seconds.
None of the other mailman logs show anything for this time frame at all.

 amanda at tux.[foo.bar] got mail on this, however:
Message 1: automated response.
>From testlist-admin at tux.[foo.bar] Thu Jul 12 21:44:03 2001
Delivered-To: amanda at tux.[foo.bar]
Subject: Mailman results for Testlist
From: testlist-request at tux.[foo.bar]
To: amanda at tux.[foo.bar]
X-Ack: no
Sender: testlist-admin at tux.[foo.bar]
Errors-To: testlist-admin at tux.[foo.bar]
X-BeenThere: testlist at tux.[foo.bar]
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: <mailto:testlist-request at tux.[foo.bar]?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:testlist at tux.[foo.bar]>
List-Subscribe: <http://tux.[foo.bar]/mailman/listinfo/testlist>,
        <mailto:testlist-request at tux.[foo.bar]?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Tux's test list <testlist.tux.[foo.bar]>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://tux.[foo.bar]/mailman/listinfo/testlist>,
        <mailto:testlist-request at tux.[foo.bar]?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://tux.[foo.bar]/mailman/private/testlist/>

This is an automated response.

There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
the administrative address <testlist-request at tux.[foo.bar]>.

To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<testlist-request at tux.[foo.bar]> with the word "help" in the
subject line or in the body of the message.

If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
please send your message to <testlist-admin at tux.[foo.bar]>.

The following is a detailed description of the problems.

>>>>> Subject line ignored:
>>>>>   Test
Command? Testing, 1, 2, 3.
Command? .
What I find odd about this is that, except for the addresses of to and from, this is the same test email I use for a
variety of other purposes and it seems to work okay there...

And of course qmail shows the message being sent to amanda at tux :
Jul 12 14:44:02 tux qmail: 994974242.810176 new msg 114919
Jul 12 14:44:02 tux qmail: 994974242.837965 info msg 114919: bytes 1643 from <testlist-admin at tux.[foo.bar]> qp 5775 uid
Jul 12 14:44:02 tux qmail: 994974242.854154 starting delivery 1: msg 114919 to local amanda at tux.[foo.bar]
Jul 12 14:44:02 tux qmail: 994974242.854351 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
Jul 12 14:44:02 tux qmail: 994974243.017196 delivery 1: success:did_1+0+0
Jul 12 14:44:02 tux qmail: 994974243.017511 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
Jul 12 14:44:02 tux qmail: 994974243.059128 end msg 114919

In response to other, newer questions:

(JC)>Got any results from that last business of checking your alias setups?

The aliases are as identical to the docs as I know how to make them.
I did find out when I ran the test - piping the text message right into wrapper - that the GID it's expecting is 450,
which is "nofiles", which belongs to qmail. (Helps if you remember to switch to the RIGHT user. What can I say, I've
had no caffeine yet today. :-) )

(JB)> Then I'd go ahead and install mailman from scratch, I don't think you can
> really trust an RPM install of it with qmail.

I did not use an RPM install of either mailman or qmail. (I don't know where JB got the idea that I had.)

Whee... I just love having everything go crazy at once. I don't get it. The moon isn't full ... is Mercury retrograde?
On top of all else, I just had a techinician show up to fix a CSU that isn't broken. [He was looking for the downstairs
office network, not ours.] (And of course he said, "Oh pardon me, ma'am, I'm so-and-so from such-and-such-company, and
I'm here to replace a piece of equipment that's malfunctioning." I said, which piece of equipment would that be? and he
said, "it's part of your computer and phone system." and I said, WHICH part? to which he said, very slowly, in that
bright tone of voice reserved for very small children and the mentally incapacitated, "It's called a CSU/DSU. Do you
know where the phone room is, or maybe the computer server room?"   I let the guy live... but I may reevaluate that
decision ...)


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