[Mailman-Users] Update: Postfix/Mailman breaks (somewhat) upon sending out to list of 300+ users

Ted M Harapat ted-mailman at mob.net
Fri Nov 9 00:04:05 CET 2001

Okay, I ran xtail on several of the files when I restarted postfix to see if 
that would show many anything. And it did! Here's what I received. 

*** error ***
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285): Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 
282, in ?
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):      kids = main(lock)
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 
195, in main
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):      lock.refresh()
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):   
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):      raise NotLockedError
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  

*** smtp ***
Nov 08 16:56:31 2001 (30412) smtp for 257 recips, completed in 3207.858 seconds
Nov 08 16:56:29 2001 (30285) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 (30285) smtp for 257 recips, completed in 3323.412 seconds
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 (30412) All recipients refused: please run connect() first

*** smtp-failure ***
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 (30285) -1 some-email-addy at aol.com (ignore) 

(repeat above line 257 times, one for each missed mail in the list)

These errors look like they are going to be helpful... unfortunately, not to 
me. Rather only to people who understand them, especially the ones within 
the "error" file. Can anyone help me translate and see whatever I've broken or 
possibly misconfigured?



Quoting Ted M Harapat <ted-mailman at mob.net>:

> Hello all. Any suggestions and ideas on this problem are welcome.
> First of all, I recently switched to postfix after many years with
> sendmail and 
> qmail. I really like it. So then I got majordomo working with it, then
> someone 
> suggested I try Mailman and I really love this system. Thank you FSF &
> Python!
> So it's easy enough to set up with a little looking around. I set it up
> and set 
> up 4 lists on it. 3 of them with under 20 people on it, and one (for my
> father) 
> over 300 people. The smaller lists work perfectly. That is, until my
> father 
> sends out to his list of 300+ people. According to the mail logs, the
> incoming 
> mail to the server is received to the list and it is sent back to my
> father for 
> approval (as I have set it up intentionally). So he approves it, and it
> sends 
> emails out to exactly 53 of the 300+ members. Then it stops sending with
> no 
> errors (I've checked all of postfix's and syslog's logs). Not only that,
> but 
> everything else with Mailman is then foobarred. Now when any of the
> smaller 
> lists send to it, postfix records receiving it but then it doesn't do
> the next 
> step such as sending it out to the users on the list or going to the
> admin for 
> approval. It (Mailman) just stops dead cold. No more outgoing traffic or
> errors 
> explaining why. 
> So, upon examining every log I could think of, I finally just Reload
> postfix 
> using the included scripts. Then, all of a sudden, everything starts 
> processing. All mail waiting to go to the admins for approval or waiting
> to go 
> to the end users on all the different lists are suddenly sent out as
> quickly 
> and efficiently as everything normally goes with Mailman. All mail
> except the 
> remaining 240+ people on my dad's list. Mail to those listmembers has 
> disappeared.
> So.... I decided to try this again. Same thing. Dad sends mail out to
> the list, 
> it goes to exactly 53 people and dies again, and makes Postfix go goofy
> again. 
> Outside of this combined Postfix/Mailman problem, the mail server acts
> as 
> normal, processing all other traffic. I almost suspect that this is much
> more 
> of a Mailman than postfix problem. I think I'm good enough with postfix
> to know 
> if its a problem there and it doesn't appear to be. But I can't be sure
> because 
> it is partially resolved just by my reloading the MTA. 
> Strangely enough, these 53 users are the exact same 53 from the first
> time. 
> I've checked over mailing lists for the last few months reading a lot of
> things 
> (since what an email of this subject would be called) and didn't find
> anything. 
> And nothing on this is in the FAQs or Manuals that I can tell. 
> Anyone have any idea? Anything at all? 
> HELP! 
> -ted
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