From kirk at braille.uwo.ca  Sat Sep  1 01:06:32 2001
From: kirk at braille.uwo.ca (Kirk Reiser)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:06:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad address holding up entire list
Message-ID: <E15cxMu-0002Ob-00@speech.braille.uwo.ca>

Hi Folks:  I am having a problem which I've had once or twice before
but have never found a solution for.  First of all I am running exim
as my mta and mailman 2.0.6.  I am not exactly sure whether it's a
mailman problem or an exim configuration problem.

This particular list is a fairly high traffic list usually between 30
and 70 messages a day.  I noticed I hadn't received any mail from the
list in about a day and thought that very odd indeed.  The only error
I find is in smtp-failure.  The message reads something to the affect
of:

451 mail at address (Cannot access <mail at address> at this time - please
try again later).

I see this error/warning over and over in the smtp-failure file.  I
have removed the address from the mailing list but I suspect because
there is mail already queued to go out the address is still blocking
the list.

I have checked the exim logs and they just say that the incoming mail
is successfully deliver to the mailman wrapper.

Any suggestions would greatefully be accepted.  My list members are
screaming and I can't find a solution short of editing the messages in
the queue but that would be a real pain.

  Kirk



From will at willspc.net  Sat Sep  1 06:04:34 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:04:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist creation Interfaces
Message-ID: <001401c1329b$3a970520$0a00a8c0@WillHomeNet.com>

I know globalhosting has a newlist creation web interface.  Does anyone
else have one?  Does anyone know of existing perl scripts/web forms that
could be used elsewhere?  I really would rather not re-invent the wheel,
but would like to have a newlist creation web interface for mailman.

Thanks in advance for any assitance...

--Will




From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Sat Sep  1 07:02:04 2001
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:02:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist creation Interfaces
In-Reply-To: <001401c1329b$3a970520$0a00a8c0@WillHomeNet.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010831215957.01bb22d0@mail.sbdsl.com>

There's one that comes with Webmin, but it doesn't work on my 
installation.  I don't know if there's a configuration error, or if it's 
for an old version of Mailman, or what.  Anybody know what the status of 
the Webmin module is?

Rob


At 12:04 AM 9/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I know globalhosting has a newlist creation web interface.  Does anyone
>else have one?  Does anyone know of existing perl scripts/web forms that
>could be used elsewhere?  I really would rather not re-invent the wheel,
>but would like to have a newlist creation web interface for mailman.
>
>Thanks in advance for any assitance...
>
>--Will
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Sat Sep  1 18:39:06 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 09:39:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nubie install question
In-Reply-To: <20010831185109.ZPBU4874.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010901093737.034586d0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 12:50 PM 8/31/01, Chris Herrnberger wrote:
 >Greetings all:
 >
 >Installed the latest version of mailman and all works fairly well. Upon
 >creating the described test list and subscribing to the same list generates
 >the following error message:
 >
 >
 >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
 >554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2

There are 202 posts in the archive of this list that discuss the "wanted 
gid" error:

http://search.python.org/query.html?col=lists&ht=0&qp=&qt=%22WANTED+gid%22&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=0&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=1

You will find your frequently asked question's answer by reading these 
posts, probably by just reading the post summary/snippet on the search 
results URL listed above.

jc


 >
 >System is SuSE 7.2 workstation running python 2.0 with latest mailman
 >tarball. The check perm program reports no errors, hence Im thinking this
 >must be an MTA issue with is a stock SuSE sendmail install.
 >
 >All other components appear to be working at this time. Any advise as to how
 >and where I can sort this error out would be appreciated.
 >
 >Best and thanks
 >
 >Chris Herrnberger
 >
 >------------------------------------------------------
 >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
 >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From goldman at hatewatch.org  Sat Sep  1 18:56:48 2001
From: goldman at hatewatch.org (David Goldman)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changine the "from" line
Message-ID: <HIEDJIEGHKKAIDDKJLHAAEDHCCAA.goldman@hatewatch.org>

We use mailman for our list and would like to have the "from:" line read
news at hatewatch.org instead
of the web providers address...any suggestions?

David Goldman
Executive Director, HateWatch.org
email: goldman at hatewatch.org
internet: http://hatewatch.org
Newsletter: http://hatewatch.org/mailman/listinfo/news_hatewatch.org
--
HateWatch.org is a not for profit organization monitoring the evolving
problem of online bigotry.





From chris123 at magma.ca  Sat Sep  1 20:04:39 2001
From: chris123 at magma.ca (Chris Herrnberger)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:04:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nubie install question
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010901093737.034586d0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010901093737.034586d0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <20010901170507.GKZN1414.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>

On September 1, 2001 11:39 am, JC Dill wrote:

> There are 202 posts in the archive of this list that discuss the "wanted
> gid" error:

It get even worse. It's right there in the readme in large print. Thanks for 
your response JC, every now and then we simply need a gentle kick in the but 
to get off our duffs.....


Best and thanks

Chris



From will at willspc.net  Sat Sep  1 21:12:07 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:12:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist creation Interfaces
Message-ID: <000b01c1331a$0387eb10$0a00a8c0@WillHomeNet.com>

Rob,

I have webmin installed. It has a majordomo interface, but I don't see a
mailman one?

Can you point me to it somewhere?  I'm also having difficulties getting
to www.webmin.com  I can get to sourceforge.net, but don't see a webmin
mailman add on there either.

--Will




From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Sat Sep  1 22:06:13 2001
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:06:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist creation Interfaces
In-Reply-To: <000b01c1331a$0387eb10$0a00a8c0@WillHomeNet.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010901130421.021ef120@mail.sbdsl.com>

There's a third party modules link on the webmin site to:

http://webmin.thirdpartymodules.com/?page=Servers

The Mailman module is listed there.  There's also an email link to the 
developer, and I've sent him a message asking about mailman 2.0 compatibility.

If you install it and it runs for you, let me know.

Rob

At 03:12 PM 9/1/01 -0400, Will Nordmeyer wrote:
>Rob,
>
>I have webmin installed. It has a majordomo interface, but I don't see a
>mailman one?
>
>Can you point me to it somewhere?  I'm also having difficulties getting
>to www.webmin.com  I can get to sourceforge.net, but don't see a webmin
>mailman add on there either.
>
>--Will
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dredd at megacity.org  Sat Sep  1 22:03:22 2001
From: dredd at megacity.org (Derek Balling)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:03:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] First Time Setup - unable to confirm a sub
Message-ID: <p0510100cb7b6eed4b22c@[192.168.123.171]>

So I've set up mailman, obviously something is wrong. :)

If I go to the web interface and subscribe to "test", I get sent the 
token. However, when I mail the token back (hit reply, send, just 
like I do everywhere else) it seems to blackhole the confirmation. It 
doesn't tell me "bad", it doesn't actually confirm it, and I'm still 
left in the pending-subs list.

As far as sendmail is concerned, the wrapper script happily took it:

Sep  1 12:54:16 minbar sm-mta[5870]: f81JsFTf005870: from=<dredd at megacity.org>,
size=1168, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<p0510100ab7b6ed605ad1@[192.168.123.171]>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA, relay=smc.megacity.org [198.144.200.174]
Sep  1 12:54:17 minbar sm-mta[5873]: f81JsFTf005870: 
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test", 
ctladdr=<test-request at megacity.org> (2/0), delay=00:00:01, x
delay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31183, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

Anyone have any thoughts?

D


-- 
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| dredd at megacity.org  | "Conan! What is best in life?"          |
|  Derek J. Balling   | "To crush your enemies, see them        |
|                     |    driven before you, and to hear the   |
|                     |    lamentation of their women!"         |
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+



From will at willspc.net  Sat Sep  1 23:56:57 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:56:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases
Message-ID: <000401c13331$06f04bf0$0a00a8c0@WillHomeNet.com>

When I create a new list, if I'm doing it as mailman, I can't add
entries to the aliases file since it's owned by root.  Also, when I try
running newaliases, I get a permission denied.

Currently, when I run newaliases as root, after manually adding
something to the aliases file, it doesn't seem to take.  I still can't
e-mail to that new alias I created.  I get a no such user here error.
Whether it's a mailman alias, or just a personal one I created.  What's
wrong?

My permissions on my aliases files are:
[admin at raq /etc]$ ls -l aliases*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1109 Aug 31 19:13 aliases
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20480 Sep  1 17:33 aliases.db
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1609 Aug 24 16:16 aliases.majordomo
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20480 Sep  1 17:33 aliases.majordomo.db
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   259 Jul  5 20:36 aliases.majordomo.master
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   737 Jul  5 20:36 aliases.master

Thanks for all your help everyone.  




From will at willspc.net  Sun Sep  2 00:17:02 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:17:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper problem
Message-ID: <000701c13333$d3d6e870$0a00a8c0@WillHomeNet.com>

On further testing, my aliases file has:

willslist:               "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post willslist"
willslist-admin:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
willslist"
willslist-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd willslist"
willslist-owner:         willslist-admin

>From root, I sent mail to willslist...  I got the following error:

For some reason it wanted to run /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper which is a link
to a wrapper program within majordomo.

Why is sendmail running that wrapper program, when the desired wrapper
program is stored within the aliases file?

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post willslist"
    (expanded from: willslist)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper: error: Not running with proper UID and GID.
    Make certain that wrapper is installed setuid, and if so,
    recompile with POSIX flags.
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post willslist"... Internal error

Sorry for all the messages today, I'm trying to get this up & running
for a client by Monday.

--Will




From danirosen at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  2 10:18:32 2001
From: danirosen at hotmail.com (Dani Rosen)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 01:18:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending subscription info to my email
Message-ID: <LAW2-OE15QFbHMMswHH000034ec@hotmail.com>

Hi,

I've been busy customizing the subscription page for my mailing list all day and am quite stuck with some stuff:

The mailman program only requires an email and a password, however, I'd like to get more information from my subscribers to go to my email. 
My subscription page is: http://216.118.112.2/mailman/listinfo/rsad_digizoneinc.com
 
The action command:

<FORM onSubmit="return formCheck()" name="rsad" action="../subscribe/rsad_digizoneinc.com" method="post">

goes to the mailman python script I cannot reach or edit because I'm not a sysadmin. 

My goal is to get the form data to me by email as well as process it to the python script of mailman. I tried various Javascript combinations to get multiple "actions" in one form with the help of:
http://developer.irt.org/script/1302.htm
http://developer.irt.org/script/880.htm
http://developer.irt.org/script/374.htm

but none of that worked.

I then tried to see whether I can parse the data to a perl script and have that perform two actions - one - send me an email with the data, and two - send the data to the python script. Let the Perl script act as an in-betweener. However, while I know in Perl how to send emails with the form data, I don't know how to repost that to a new action in the perl script - without hitting another "submit" button.
 
If I had access to the subscription script, I probably could have done something with it there.

Any ideas on how to get the other subscription info to my email as well as to mailman?

thanks,

Dani.

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From dmuth at claws-and-paws.com  Sun Sep  2 01:00:49 2001
From: dmuth at claws-and-paws.com (Doug Muth)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 19:00:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing 2.0.6 as a different user
Message-ID: <20010901190049.A7984@dmuth.ppp.ot.net>

	Hi folks,

	I'm presently running a Mailman 1.1 installation that I'm trying
to upgrade to 2.0.6, and am running into a bit of a problem.  Since I run
multiple installations of Mailman on my system, rather than running it
under the mailman user, I run each installation under its own user.  

	Under normal circumstances, the CGIs are executed as the user on
that machine that owns the installation, with the daemon group (which
Sendmail runs as on my box) having some access as well.  This works fine
with 1.1.

	However, I have a bit of a problem with 2.0.6: the file
cron/qrunner appears to recreate the file lists/<listname>/config.db.  The
end result is that the group ownership on the file is set to the user
owning mailman, and therein is the problem: any programs that Sendmail
spawns can no longer read the file, including the Mailman scripts.

	So, at this point, I'm pretty much out of things to try, other
than to possibly attempt rewriting qrunner to preserve the permissions on
config.db.  And I'm not going to do that, because I have no desire to
create a fork in the code. :-)

	Any suggestions would be much appreciated.  Please CC me, as I am
not subscribed to this mailing list.

	Thanks,

-- 
<Doug Muth> ----- <http://www.claws-and-paws.com/> ----- <ICQ:  14112246>



From peteris at digitaly.com  Sun Sep  2 13:34:02 2001
From: peteris at digitaly.com (Peter Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:34:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header in mailman messages
Message-ID: <a05100308b7b7c8f7c43a@[151.33.119.161]>

Hi,

I've taken a dedicated server where in the cpanel we get the option 
of using your mailing list mailman software.

Everything works fine but I'd love to get rid of the extensive header 
sent with each messagge.

How would I do that?

thanks

Peter Smith - serverity.com



From dagilbert at west.raytheon.com  Mon Sep  3 06:02:59 2001
From: dagilbert at west.raytheon.com (David A Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:02:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives not showing threading
Message-ID: <OFDC35D614.E1A21921-ON88256ABC.0015E72F@rsc.raytheon.com>

I am using mailman-2.0.6 on RedHat Linux 6.2 machine. None of mail archives
show the indented threading when the view by thread sort is selected.  All
messages are left-justified. Is there any configuration of mailman,
pipermail, etc, that needs to be done to enable this?

Thanks,

David Gilbert
dagilbert at west.raytheon.com




From loic at breat.net  Mon Sep  3 13:53:34 2001
From: loic at breat.net (loic at breat.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:53:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & newsgroups with hypermail
Message-ID: <2116.193.251.91.229.999518014.squirrel@webmail.breat.net>


Hi! 

I'm using Hypermail and Mailman. Mailman is just for
getting posts from newsgroups, and Hypermail converts
posts from newsgroups and mailing lists to HTML format.

My problem is simple : when I get news, the mbox file
from Mailman, analyzed by Hypermail is huge. I often get
errors like "no swap space", and it crashed my FreeBSD :(

Is there a way to "rotate" or "archive" (or anything you want) 
mbox files that become bigger and bigger every day, so
that Hypermail doesn't has to read the entier mbox file
each time new posts are downloaded from newsgroups ?

Thx,

--
Loic





From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Sep  3 20:15:04 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 11:15:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & newsgroups with hypermail
In-Reply-To: <2116.193.251.91.229.999518014.squirrel@webmail.breat.net>
References: <2116.193.251.91.229.999518014.squirrel@webmail.breat.net>
Message-ID: <p05101002b7b978d879bc@[207.149.192.229]>

At 13:53 +0200 9/3/2001, <loic at breat.net> wrote:
>Hi!
>
>
>Is there a way to "rotate" or "archive" (or anything you want)
>mbox files that become bigger and bigger every day, so
>that Hypermail doesn't has to read the entier mbox file
>each time new posts are downloaded from newsgroups ?

Look at the Archival Options page in the list's Admin web area.

Select appropriate answer to the "How often..." question.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From a.balmashnov at tue.nl  Mon Sep  3 20:58:28 2001
From: a.balmashnov at tue.nl (A.Balmashnov)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:58:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring umbrella-list summary
Message-ID: <336107069.20010903205828@tue.nl>

Hello mailman-users,

I'm going to write down the way of managing umbrella-list. I've found
that there are couple of tricky things which is not known for novice in
mail-list management. May be this way is not optimal and not correct
,)
I think that you always can explain to me what I'm doing wrong.

Let we have two lists L1 and L2 that we would like to mention in our
umbrella list (let say UL) at domain server.com

General option for all lists:
  Privacy:
    Must posts be approved by an administrator?
    (NO)

Steps:

1. Create new list UL with options
   General:
     Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead of
     directly to user.  (YES)
     ; if this option set to YES - this list is umbrella_list %) Am I
     ; right?
   Privacy:
     Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
     (YES)
     Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc
     destination names for this list.
     ([Uu][Ll]@[Ss][Ee][Rr][Vv][Ee][Rr].[Cc][Oo][Mm])
     
2. Subscribe lists L1 and L2 for list UL
     
3. Change the options for L1
   Privacy:
     Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc
     destination names for this list.
     ([Uu][Ll]@[Ss][Ee][Rr][Vv][Ee][Rr].[Cc][Oo][Mm]
      [Ll]1@[Ss][Ee][Rr][Vv][Ee][Rr].[Cc][Oo][Mm]
     )
     ; to allow direct posting of messages from the list UL to the L1
   
4. Change the options for L2
   Privacy:
     Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc
     destination names for this list.
     ([Uu][Ll]@[Ss][Ee][Rr][Vv][Ee][Rr].[Cc][Oo][Mm]
      [Ll]2@[Ss][Ee][Rr][Vv][Ee][Rr].[Cc][Oo][Mm]
     )
     ; to allow direct posting of messages from the list UL to the L2
   
5. Change the options for UL
   Privacy:
     Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without
     implicit approval requirement. (See "Restrict ... to list
     members" for whether or not this is in addition to allowing
     posting by list members
     (Add here a members of lists L1 and L2)

So, after this steps you can also subscribe a members (not a lists)
for UL (but only through the Web-interface, I guess).

Is it Ok?

Thank you for your attention.

-- 
Best regards,
 A.Balmashnov                          mailto:a.balmashnov at tue.nl




From plp at actcom.co.il  Mon Sep  3 22:02:37 2001
From: plp at actcom.co.il (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:02:37 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman results for Mailman-Users (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10109032200350.556-100000@plp.plp.home.org>

Hi,

I'm new here and I was trying to unsubscribe by email. How do I quote a
space in the password (see below) ? (Also, why does the system accept a
password with a space in it if it cannot handle it ?).

thanks,

Peter

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 16:51:01 -0400
From: mailman-users-request at python.org
To: plp at plp.plp.home.org
Subject: Mailman results for Mailman-Users

This is an automated response.

There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
the administrative address <mailman-users-request at python.org>.

To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<mailman-users-request at python.org> with the word "help" in the subject
line or in the body of the message.

If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
please send your message to <mailman-users-admin at python.org>.

The following is a detailed description of the problems.


***** unsubscribe "it's me"
>>>>> me" is not subscribed to this list.





From brent-nordquist at bethel.edu  Tue Sep  4 00:30:54 2001
From: brent-nordquist at bethel.edu (Brent J. Nordquist)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:30:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patch: list_members/sync_members and nomail/hide options
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109031724520.1952-500000@kepler.acns.bethel.edu>

Inspired by nomail.py by Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>, I've made
some patches to 2.0.6 (attached) that allow list_members and sync_members
to deal with the "nomail" and "hide" options (using a new -N flag).  This
is to allow me to add multiple addresses for each user, with all but one
set to "nomail+hide", to solve the only-members-can-post problem.

I want to emphasise that this is pretty much a hack.  I've been coding in
Python for (/me checks watch) about 2 1/2 hours now <grin> but this seems
to do what I needed, so I'm offering it in case others find it helpful.

-- 
Brent J. Nordquist <brent-nordquist at bethel.edu> N0BJN
Yahoo!: Brent_Nordquist / AIM: BrentJNordquist / ICQ: 76158942
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--- list_members.orig	Mon Sep  3 17:23:59 2001
+++ list_members	Mon Sep  3 15:53:44 2001
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@
 
 """List all the members of a mailing list.
 
-Usage: %(program)s [-o file] [-r] [-d] [-p] [-h] listname
+Usage: %(program)s [-o file] [-r] [-d] [-p] [-N] [-h] listname
 
 Where:
 
@@ -39,6 +39,11 @@
         Output member addresses case preserved the way they were added to the
         list.  Otherwise, addresses are printed in all lowercase.
 
+    --nomail
+    -N
+        After each email address, also print the status of the nomail and
+        hide options (in that order).
+
     --help
     -h
         Print this help message and exit.
@@ -58,6 +63,7 @@
 import paths
 from Mailman import MailList
 from Mailman import Errors
+from Mailman import mm_cfg
 
 program = sys.argv[0]
 
@@ -73,8 +79,8 @@
     try:
         opts, args = getopt.getopt(
             sys.argv[1:],
-            'dpro:h',
-            ['digest', 'regular', 'preserve', 'output=', 'help'])
+            'dpro:Nh',
+            ['digest', 'regular', 'preserve', 'output=', 'nomail', 'help'])
     except getopt.error, msg:
         usage(1, msg)
 
@@ -82,6 +88,7 @@
         usage(1)
 
     listname = string.lower(args[0])
+    nomail = None
     outfile = None
     regular = None
     digest = None
@@ -90,6 +97,8 @@
     for opt, arg in opts:
         if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
             usage(0)
+        elif opt in ('-N', '--nomail'):
+            nomail = 1
         elif opt in ('-o', '--output'):
             outfile = arg
         elif opt in ('-r', '--regular'):
@@ -129,10 +138,46 @@
         sys.stdout = fp
         if regular:
             for addr in rmembers:
-                print addr
+                print addr,
+                if nomail:
+                    try:
+                        if mlist.user_options[addr] & mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
+                            print "yes",
+                        else:
+                            print "no",
+                    except:
+                        print "no",
+                        pass
+                    try:
+                        if mlist.user_options[addr] & mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription:
+                            print "yes",
+                        else:
+                            print "no",
+                    except:
+                        print "no",
+                        pass
+                print
         if digest:
             for addr in dmembers:
-                print addr
+                print addr,
+                if nomail:
+                    try:
+                        if mlist.user_options[addr] & mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
+                            print "yes",
+                        else:
+                            print "no",
+                    except:
+                        print "no",
+                        pass
+                    try:
+                        if mlist.user_options[addr] & mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription:
+                            print "yes",
+                        else:
+                            print "no",
+                    except:
+                        print "no",
+                        pass
+                print
     finally:
         sys.stdout = stdout
 
-------------- next part --------------
#! /usr/bin/env python
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

"""List all the members of a mailing list.

Usage: %(program)s [-o file] [-r] [-d] [-p] [-N] [-h] listname

Where:

    --output file
    -o file
        Write output to specified file instead of standard out.

    --regular
    -r
        Print just the regular (non-digest) members.

    --digest
    -d
        Print just the digest members.

    --preserve
    -p
        Output member addresses case preserved the way they were added to the
        list.  Otherwise, addresses are printed in all lowercase.

    --nomail
    -N
        After each email address, also print the status of the nomail and
        hide options (in that order).

    --help
    -h
        Print this help message and exit.

    listname is the name of the mailing list to use.

Note that if neither -r or -d is supplied, both regular members are printed
first, followed by digest members, but no indication is given as to address
status.

"""

import sys
import string
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Errors
from Mailman import mm_cfg

program = sys.argv[0]

def usage(status, msg=''):
    print __doc__ % globals()
    if msg:
        print msg
    sys.exit(status)



def main():
    try:
        opts, args = getopt.getopt(
            sys.argv[1:],
            'dpro:Nh',
            ['digest', 'regular', 'preserve', 'output=', 'nomail', 'help'])
    except getopt.error, msg:
        usage(1, msg)

    if len(args) <> 1:
        usage(1)

    listname = string.lower(args[0])
    nomail = None
    outfile = None
    regular = None
    digest = None
    preserve = None

    for opt, arg in opts:
        if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
            usage(0)
        elif opt in ('-N', '--nomail'):
            nomail = 1
        elif opt in ('-o', '--output'):
            outfile = arg
        elif opt in ('-r', '--regular'):
            regular = 1
        elif opt in ('-d', '--digest'):
            digest = 1
        elif opt in ('-p', '--preserve'):
            preserve = 1

    if regular is None and digest is None:
        regular = digest = 1

    if outfile:
        try:
            fp = open(outfile, 'w')
        except IOError:
            print 'Could not open file for writing:', outfile
            sys.exit(1)
    else:
        fp = sys.stdout

    try:
        mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
    except Errors.MMListError, e:
        print 'No such list "%s"\n%s' % (listname, e)
        sys.exit(1)

    if preserve:
        rmembers = mlist.GetDeliveryMembers()
        dmembers = mlist.GetDigestDeliveryMembers()
    else:
        rmembers = mlist.GetMembers()
        dmembers = mlist.GetDigestMembers()

    stdout = sys.stdout
    try:
        sys.stdout = fp
        if regular:
            for addr in rmembers:
                print addr,
                if nomail:
                    try:
                        if mlist.user_options[addr] & mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
                            print "yes",
                        else:
                            print "no",
                    except:
                        print "no",
                        pass
                    try:
                        if mlist.user_options[addr] & mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription:
                            print "yes",
                        else:
                            print "no",
                    except:
                        print "no",
                        pass
                print
        if digest:
            for addr in dmembers:
                print addr,
                if nomail:
                    try:
                        if mlist.user_options[addr] & mm_cfg.DisableDelivery:
                            print "yes",
                        else:
                            print "no",
                    except:
                        print "no",
                        pass
                    try:
                        if mlist.user_options[addr] & mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription:
                            print "yes",
                        else:
                            print "no",
                    except:
                        print "no",
                        pass
                print
    finally:
        sys.stdout = stdout


if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()
-------------- next part --------------
--- sync_members.orig	Mon Sep  3 17:23:55 2001
+++ sync_members	Mon Sep  3 17:15:59 2001
@@ -61,6 +61,13 @@
         against.  Email addresses must appear one per line.  If filename is
         `-' then stdin is used.
 
+    --nomail
+    -N
+        Expect two fields following each email address, each containing
+        `yes' or `no' to reflect the status of the nomail and hide options
+        (in that order), as produced by `list_members -N'.  These fields
+        are used ONLY IF ADDING the address; otherwise they are ignored.
+
     --help
     -h
         Print this message.
@@ -76,6 +83,7 @@
 from Mailman import MailList
 from Mailman import Errors
 from Mailman import Utils
+from Mailman import mm_cfg
 
 
 
@@ -116,6 +124,9 @@
     filename = None
     listname = None
     notifyadmin = None
+    nomail = None
+    nomailopt = {}
+    hideopt = {}
 
     i = 1
     while i < len(sys.argv):
@@ -152,6 +163,9 @@
         elif startswith(opt, '-a=') or startswith(opt, '--notifyadmin='):
             notifyadmin = yesno(opt)
             i = i + 1
+        elif opt in ('-N', '--nomail'):
+            nomail = 1
+            i = i + 1
         elif opt[0] == '-':
             usage(1, 'Illegal option: ' + opt)
         else:
@@ -186,7 +200,15 @@
             del filemembers[i]
             print 'Ignore  :  %30s' % addr
 
-    # first filter out any invalid addresses
+    # if in --nomail mode, split those fields out into separate lists
+    if nomail:
+        for i in range(len(filemembers)-1, -1, -1):
+            fields = string.split(filemembers[i])
+            filemembers[i] = fields[0]
+            nomailopt[fields[0]] = fields[1]
+            hideopt[fields[0]] = fields[2]
+
+    # filter out any invalid addresses
     filemembers = Utils.ParseAddrs(filemembers)
     invalid = 0
     for addr in filemembers:
@@ -239,6 +261,17 @@
                     mlist.ApprovedAddMember(addr, pw, digest,
                                             welcome, notifyadmin)
                 print 'Added  : %30s (%30s)' % (laddr, addr)
+                # if in --nomail mode, hack the account flags
+                # (clone_member doesn't inspire us to use SetUserOption())
+                if nomail:
+                    if yesno(nomailopt[addr]):
+                        if not dryrun:
+                            mlist.user_options[addr] = mlist.user_options[addr] | mm_cfg.DisableDelivery;
+                        print 'NoMail : %30s (%30s)' % (laddr, addr)
+                    if yesno(hideopt[addr]):
+                        if not dryrun:
+                            mlist.user_options[addr] = mlist.user_options[addr] | mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription;
+                        print 'Hide   : %30s (%30s)' % (laddr, addr)
             except Errors.MMAlreadyAMember:
                 pass
 
-------------- next part --------------
#! /usr/bin/env python
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

"""Synchronize a mailing list's membership with a flat file.

This script is useful if you have a Mailman mailing list and a sendmail
:include: style list of addresses (also as is used in Majordomo).  For every
address in the file that does not appear in the mailing list, the address is
added.  For every address in the mailing list that does not appear in the
file, the address is removed.  Other options control what happens when an
address is added or removed.

Usage: %(program)s [options] -f file listname

Where `options' are:

    --no-change
    -n
        Don't actually make the changes.  Instead, print out what would be
        done to the list.

    --welcome-msg[=<yes|no>]
    -w[=<yes|no>]
        Sets whether or not to send the newly added members a welcome
        message, overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting
        is.  With -w=yes or -w, the welcome message is sent.  With -w=no, no
        message is sent.

    --digest[=<yes|no>]
    -d[=<yes|no>]
        Selects whether to make newly added members receive messages in
        digests.  With -d=yes or -d, they become digest members.  With -d=no
        (or if no -d option given) they are added as regular members.

    --notifyadmin[=<yes|no>]
    --a[=<yes|no>]
        Specifies whether the admin should be notified for each subscription
        or unsubscription.  If you're adding a lot of addresses, you
        definitely want to turn this off!  With -a=yes or -a, the admin is
        notified.  With -a=no, the admin is not notified.  With no -a option,
        the default for the list is used.

    --file <filename | ->
    -f <filename | ->
        This option is required.  It specifies the flat file to synchronize
        against.  Email addresses must appear one per line.  If filename is
        `-' then stdin is used.

    --nomail
    -N
        Expect two fields following each email address, each containing
        `yes' or `no' to reflect the status of the nomail and hide options
        (in that order), as produced by `list_members -N'.  These fields
        are used ONLY IF ADDING the address; otherwise they are ignored.

    --help
    -h
        Print this message.

    listname
        Required.  This specifies the list to synchronize.
"""

import sys
import string

import paths
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Errors
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman import mm_cfg



program = sys.argv[0]

def usage(status, msg=''):
    print __doc__ % globals()
    if msg:
        print msg
    sys.exit(status)



def startswith(s, prefix):
    return s[:len(prefix)] == prefix

def endswith(s, suffix):
    return s[-len(suffix):] == suffix



def yesno(opt):
    i = string.find(opt, '=')
    yesno = string.lower(opt[i+1:])
    if yesno in ('y', 'yes'):
        return 1
    elif yesno in ('n', 'no'):
        return 0
    else:
        usage(1, 'Bad choice: ' + yesno)
        # no return


def main():
    dryrun = 0
    digest = 0
    welcome = None
    filename = None
    listname = None
    notifyadmin = None
    nomail = None
    nomailopt = {}
    hideopt = {}

    i = 1
    while i < len(sys.argv):
        opt = sys.argv[i]
        if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
            usage(0)
        elif opt in ('-n', '--no-change'):
            dryrun = 1
            i = i + 1
            print 'Dry run mode'
        elif opt in ('-d', '--digest'):
            digest = 1
            i = i + 1
        elif startswith(opt, '-d=') or startswith(opt, '--digest='):
            digest = yesno(opt)
            i = i + 1
        elif opt in ('-w', '--welcome-msg'):
            welcome = 1
            i = i + 1
        elif startswith(opt, '-w=') or startswith(opt, '--welcome-msg='):
            welcome = yesno(opt)
            i = i + 1
        elif opt in ('-f', '--file'):
            if filename is not None:
                usage(1, 'Only one -f switch allowed')
            try:
                filename = sys.argv[i+1]
            except IndexError:
                usage(1, 'No argument to -f given')
            i = i + 2
        elif opt in ('-a', '--notifyadmin'):
            notifyadmin = 1
            i = i + 1
        elif startswith(opt, '-a=') or startswith(opt, '--notifyadmin='):
            notifyadmin = yesno(opt)
            i = i + 1
        elif opt in ('-N', '--nomail'):
            nomail = 1
            i = i + 1
        elif opt[0] == '-':
            usage(1, 'Illegal option: ' + opt)
        else:
            try:
                listname = string.lower(sys.argv[i])
                i = i + 1
            except IndexError:
                usage(1, 'No listname given')
            break
        
    if listname is None or filename is None:
        usage(1, 'Must have a listname and a filename')

    # read the list of addresses to sync to from the file
    if filename == '-':
        filemembers = sys.stdin.readlines()
    else:
        try:
            fp = open(filename)
        except IOError, (code, msg):
            usage(1, 'Cannot read address file: %s: %s' % (filename, msg))
        try:
            filemembers = fp.readlines()
        finally:
            fp.close()

    # strip out lines we don't care about, they are comments (# in first
    # non-whitespace) or are blank
    for i in range(len(filemembers)-1, -1, -1):
        addr = string.strip(filemembers[i])
        if addr == '' or addr[:1] == '#':
            del filemembers[i]
            print 'Ignore  :  %30s' % addr

    # if in --nomail mode, split those fields out into separate lists
    if nomail:
        for i in range(len(filemembers)-1, -1, -1):
            fields = string.split(filemembers[i])
            filemembers[i] = fields[0]
            nomailopt[fields[0]] = fields[1]
            hideopt[fields[0]] = fields[2]

    # filter out any invalid addresses
    filemembers = Utils.ParseAddrs(filemembers)
    invalid = 0
    for addr in filemembers:
        try:
            Utils.ValidateEmail(addr)
        except Errors.EmailAddressError:
            print 'Invalid :  %30s' % addr
            invalid = 1
    if invalid:
        print 'You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.'
        sys.exit(1)

    # get the locked list object
    try:
        mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)
    except Errors.MMListError, e:
        print 'No such list "%s"\n%s' % (listname, e)
        sys.exit(1)

    try:
        # get the list of addresses currently subscribed
        addrs = {}
        needsadding = {}
        for addr in (mlist.GetDeliveryMembers() +
                     mlist.GetDigestDeliveryMembers()):
            addrs[string.lower(addr)] = addr

        for addr in filemembers:
            # any address found in the file that is also in the list can be
            # ignored.  if not found in the list, it must be added later
            laddr = string.lower(addr)
            if addrs.has_key(laddr):
                del addrs[laddr]
            else:
                needsadding[laddr] = addr

        if not needsadding and not addrs:
            print 'Nothing to do.'
            sys.exit(0)

        # addrs contains now all the addresses that need removing
        for laddr, addr in needsadding.items():
            pw = Utils.MakeRandomPassword()
            # should not already be subscribed, otherwise our test above is
            # broken.  Bogosity is if the address is listed in the file more
            # than once.  Second and subsequent ones trigger an
            # MMAlreadyAMember error.  Just catch it and go on.
            try:
                if not dryrun:
                    mlist.ApprovedAddMember(addr, pw, digest,
                                            welcome, notifyadmin)
                print 'Added  : %30s (%30s)' % (laddr, addr)
                # if in --nomail mode, hack the account flags
                # (clone_member doesn't inspire us to use SetUserOption())
                if nomail:
                    if yesno(nomailopt[addr]):
                        if not dryrun:
                            mlist.user_options[addr] = mlist.user_options[addr] | mm_cfg.DisableDelivery;
                        print 'NoMail : %30s (%30s)' % (laddr, addr)
                    if yesno(hideopt[addr]):
                        if not dryrun:
                            mlist.user_options[addr] = mlist.user_options[addr] | mm_cfg.ConcealSubscription;
                        print 'Hide   : %30s (%30s)' % (laddr, addr)
            except Errors.MMAlreadyAMember:
                pass

        for laddr, addr in addrs.items():
            # should be a member, otherwise our test above is broken
            if not dryrun:
                mlist.DeleteMember(addr, admin_notif=notifyadmin)
            print 'Removed: %30s (%30s)' % (laddr, addr)

        mlist.Save()
    finally:
        mlist.Unlock()


if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()

From rageth at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  4 05:18:46 2001
From: rageth at yahoo.com (Gareth Swarbrick)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:18:46 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1425 - 4 msgs
In-Reply-To: <E15e2GA-0006Z9-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E15e2GA-0006Z9-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <a05100305b7b9f3fdcdf0@[149.171.164.64]>

I was reading this post with interest at yet another solution to the 
problem that many of us seem to face:
* We want to exclude posters to those in the list and a set of 'other' users
* We need to do this in a manageable way and minimise errors

This sounds like a good alternative presented by Brent - ie subscribe 
the 'other' users as silent members to automatically include them in 
the list. Idealy I have been waiting for a regexp in the 'Addresses 
of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit 
approval requirement' options but in the meantime have implement my 
own solution. I thought I might share it with the group and it's 
still probably the best for us at present.

I manage 116 lists at our School - one for every subject and some 
extra lists for staff. All staff needs to be able to post but I want 
to keep the lists closed to outsiders. My solution was to write a 
'reconfig' script to go through all posts and change a configuration 
option. It's very simple and looks like this:
#!/bin/csh
# output 'listname : owner' for all lists
if (($1 == "") || (! -e {$1:r}.conf)) then
     echo "Reconfigures all lists according to file.conf"
     echo "Usage: reconfig file.conf"
else
     foreach i (~mailman/lists/*)
         set this=`basename $i`
         echo "Changing configuration for list: $this"
         ~mailman/bin/config_list -i ${1:r}.conf $this
     end
endif

it is given a .conf file which contains the reconfiguration option. 
In my case a list of posters, posters.conf, who can post to the list. 
I add a poster to poster.conf then run the reconfig script. This 
makes general changes to all scripts fairly painless, as long as you 
know the configuration keyword and format. The only drawback is that 
at present I have to go back to any lists that are open and remove 
the posters, otherwise *only* these posters can post to these lists...

Gareth.

>Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:30:54 -0500 (CDT)
>From: "Brent J. Nordquist" <brent-nordquist at bethel.edu>
>Reply-To: "Brent J. Nordquist" <brent-nordquist at bethel.edu>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109031724520.1952-500000 at kepler.acns.bethel.edu>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1485577760-804192951-999556254=:1952"
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patch: list_members/sync_members and 
>nomail/hide options
>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>Precedence: bulk
>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>
>Inspired by nomail.py by Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>, I've made
>some patches to 2.0.6 (attached) that allow list_members and sync_members
>to deal with the "nomail" and "hide" options (using a new -N flag).  This
>is to allow me to add multiple addresses for each user, with all but one
>set to "nomail+hide", to solve the only-members-can-post problem.
>
>I want to emphasise that this is pretty much a hack.  I've been coding in
>Python for (/me checks watch) about 2 1/2 hours now <grin> but this seems
>to do what I needed, so I'm offering it in case others find it helpful.
>
>--
>Brent J. Nordquist <brent-nordquist at bethel.edu> N0BJN
>Yahoo!: Brent_Nordquist / AIM: BrentJNordquist / ICQ: 76158942
>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="list_members.patch"
>Content-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109031730540.1952 at kepler.acns.bethel.edu>
>Content-Description:
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="list_members.patch"
>
>Attachment converted: Zaphod:list_members.patch (TEXT/R*ch) (0002CBFF)
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=list_members
>Content-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109031730541.1952 at kepler.acns.bethel.edu>
>Content-Description:
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=list_members
>
>Attachment converted: Zaphod:list_members (TEXT/R*ch) (0002CC00)
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="sync_members.patch"
>Content-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109031730542.1952 at kepler.acns.bethel.edu>
>Content-Description:
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sync_members.patch"
>
>Attachment converted: Zaphod:sync_members.patch (TEXT/R*ch) (0002CC01)
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=sync_members
>Content-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109031730543.1952 at kepler.acns.bethel.edu>
>Content-Description:
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=sync_members
>
>Attachment converted: Zaphod:sync_members (TEXT/R*ch) (0002CC02)
>--__--__----
>Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-description: Digest Footer
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


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From wiebe at isnhome.net  Sun Sep  2 22:23:16 2001
From: wiebe at isnhome.net (Wiebe van der Worp)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 22:23:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <20010811112850.1aa742a9.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <000401c133ed$18e3c2d0$0800a8c0@thunderchild>

I ran into the same problem. Unfortunatedly I can't 'su' to 'mailman'.

Are there other suggestions to complete remove some lists?

Regards Wiebe van der Worp

> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ricardo F. Kustner
> Shekar Pasumarthi <shekarp at pcweb.com> wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to remove a list....I keep getting the following error...
> >   bin/rmlist bench
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >    File "bin/rmlist", line 44, in ?
> >      from Mailman import mm_cfg
> > ImportError: No module named Mailman
> 
> Please try it again as user mailman ('su mailman' if you're root)
> 
> Kinda weird though, I regularly do ~mailman/bin/remove_member as root w/o
> problem (though I'm not sure if it's advisable... it could be that the
> root permission messes up some permissions)
> 



From hemanta at tivo.com  Mon Sep  3 09:55:27 2001
From: hemanta at tivo.com (Hemanta Swain)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to see the listinfo ( mailing lists ) after mailman migration to version 2.x.
Message-ID: <DCECLHIAKKOMAOMAEPLBKEEICCAA.hemanta@tivo.com>

Hi,

I have migrated mailman service from a old server running  mailman version
1.x to a new server with new mailman version 2.x. Everything works fine for
both new as well as old mailing lists. But, I am not able to see old mailing
lists on listinfo page. Is there anything I missed during migration of old
mailing lists. I am able to see both new as well as old mailing lists on
admin page.
Any help on this is highly appreciated.
Thanks
-Hemanta




From mark at quiz.minc.org  Mon Sep  3 17:03:18 2001
From: mark at quiz.minc.org (Mark De Silva)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:03:18 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109032258250.18175-100000@quiz.minc.org>

Hi, I installed mailman and went through that GID problem, but managed to
set it to run with the correct GID of 2. I'm on a Linux running
slackware with the 2.4.5 kernal, default sendmail 8.11.4. The web page is
fine and everything shows up, but when I try to subscribe via the web
interface or send a mail to any of the mailing lists, I get nothing at
all. No welcome mail no nothing. I looked through the /var/adm/messages
and it shows that the confirmation mail from a subscribing user goes to
the |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd <listname> so I know the mail is
reaching the mailman. Is it something to do with the wrapper?

Has anyone experienced this and can offer some help? Would really
appreciate it. Thank you.

regards,
Mark

(PS: Would appreciate if you mail me at this address if possible too.
Thanks)







From lilpuppie at mindspring.com  Tue Sep  4 06:25:14 2001
From: lilpuppie at mindspring.com (Jeremy Olmen)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:25:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install: mailman archive not working
Message-ID: <017601c134f9$9817eb50$a101010a@fargel.com>

I am having a hard time going to
http://lilpup.mymachine.com/mailman/archives, whenever I do it generates:


We're sorry, we hit a Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can
bugfind this information in the Mailman error logs.


I have freshly installed mailman 2.0.6 on a FreeBSD 4.4-RC and a 4.3-STABLE
machine, making sure I followed the INSTALL file to the letter, and I can't
seem to get to that page. I always get a traceback logged in my error log
file, which reads:

Sep 03 18:13:28 2001 admin(2099):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(2099): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
admin(2099): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(2099): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(2099):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 91, in run_main
admin(2099):     module = getattr(pkg, scriptname)
admin(2099): AttributeError: archives
admin(2099): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(2099): sys.version    = 2.0 (#2, Aug 31 2001, 19:01:55)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release) [FreeBSD]]
admin(2099): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(2099): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(2099): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(2099): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(2099): sys.platform   = freebsd4
admin(2099): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(2099):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/www/data
admin(2099):    SERVER_ADDR: 10.1.1.162
admin(2099):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(2099):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(2099):    REMOTE_ADDR: 10.1.1.161
admin(2099):    UNIQUE_ID: O5QAiAoBAaIAAAEdCB8
admin(2099):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
admin(2099):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(2099):    SERVER_NAME: lilpup.fargel.com
admin(2099):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(2099):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows
NT 5.0)
admin(2099):    HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/v
nd.ms-excel, application/msword, */*
admin(2099):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/archives
admin(2099):    QUERY_STRING:
admin(2099):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/home/mailman/cgi-bin/archives
admin(2099):    HTTP_HOST: lilpup.fargel.com
admin(2099):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(2099):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.19 Server at
lilpup.fargel.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(2099):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/archives
admin(2099):    SERVER_ADMIN: lilpuppie at mindspring.com
admin(2099):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix)
admin(2099):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(2099):    HTTP_COOKIE: test:admin
admin(2099):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(2099):    REMOTE_PORT: 1271


I have posted some articles to a test list, and it seems that everything is
being created correctly in /home/mailman/archives/public/. Everything else
about this server that I've tested so far works wonderfully.

I have searched the web for this problem, and I have found that there are a
number of active mailman servers with this same error. Is this an Apache
mis-configuration? I have seen this same problem from people using versions
of mailman going all the way back to 2.0beta1, so I am inclined to think it
is a server-config problem, not a bug within mailman but i really do not
know. Any and all help with this problem is greatly appreciated.


Thank you,

Jeremy Olmen
lilpuppie at mindspring.com





From sonamc at ce.com.au  Tue Sep  4 06:44:36 2001
From: sonamc at ce.com.au (Sonam Chauhan)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:44:36 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list, reply_to_address, "Submit" from 
 webinterface
References: <20010830233202.X12456@hub.net.astrum.ch>
Message-ID: <3B945C34.66491426@ce.com.au>

Matthias Leisi wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having a problem which I can't seem to solve for myself. The setup:
> 
>  * Mailman 2.0.6
>  * Apache 1.3.19
> 
> Setting up Mailman was easy, administration via the webinterface works, and
> I can send mails to list members without problems. But, I can't seem to
> _save_ any changes to reply_goes_to_list and reply_to_address in a
> consistent manner.
> 
> The list ist test at lists.astrum.ch:
> 
>  * When I set reply_goes_to_list to "This list", Reply-To: in outgoing
>    mails gets set to "test at astrum.ch".
>  * When I set reply_goes_to_list is set to "Explicit address", the field
>    "Explicit Reply-To:-Header" as entered there is not the same as in the
>    Reply-To:-Header being set in outgoing mails.
> 
> E.g., I set "foo at lists.astrum.ch" to be put in Reply-To:, but still
> "test at astrum.ch" is being put in the outgoing mails.

Try setting lists.astrum.ch to be the default "servername" in the main
config page.
It worked for me. Warning: take note of the details mentioned about this
setting.

> /Sometimes/, I can't save the content of the "Explicit Reply-To-Header"-
> field; when I try to empty it and press "Submit", it pops up with the same
> content as before (it does not seem to be a problem with the browser, as I
> tested with Mozilla 0.9.3 and Lynx 2.8.3dev9.
> 
> Any ideas?

No ideas, but I can confirm this... that the "Explicit Reply-To-Header"-
field has popped up with the same field for me too. Looks like a bug, 
though I haven't duplicated it. 


-- 
Electronic Commerce
Corporate Express Australia Ltd.
Phone: +61-2-9335-0725 Fax: +61-2-9335-0753



From matthias at astrum.ch  Tue Sep  4 08:35:13 2001
From: matthias at astrum.ch (Matthias Leisi)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:35:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list, reply_to_address, "Submit" from webinterface
In-Reply-To: <3B945C34.66491426@ce.com.au>; from sonamc@ce.com.au on Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 02:44:36PM +1000
References: <20010830233202.X12456@hub.net.astrum.ch> <3B945C34.66491426@ce.com.au>
Message-ID: <20010904083513.B720@hub.net.astrum.ch>

> > E.g., I set "foo at lists.astrum.ch" to be put in Reply-To:, but still
> > "test at astrum.ch" is being put in the outgoing mails.
> 
> Try setting lists.astrum.ch to be the default "servername" in the main
> config page.
> It worked for me. Warning: take note of the details mentioned about this
> setting.

Shame on me. It was a problem with sendmail masquerading from
"lists.astrum.ch" to "astrum.ch" (through MASQUERADE_AS('...')- and
FEATURE('masquerade_envelope')-m4-macros). Together with an incomplete
delegation of nameservers (I took over the primary NS just a few days ago),
this caused major confusion.

Lessons learned:

 * Make double sure your DNS setup is correct.
 * sendmails Masquerading-stuff also applies to Reply-To:-
   header rewriting.

So, nothing blame mailman for.


> No ideas, but I can confirm this... that the "Explicit Reply-To-Header"-
> field has popped up with the same field for me too. Looks like a bug, 
> though I haven't duplicated it. 

ACK. I also tried to duplicate - to no avail. I now set the default to
"This List", which is required for the most part of my lists anyway.

Overall, mailman just works perfect :)

Matthias



From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Tue Sep  4 17:19:51 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:19:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <000401c133ed$18e3c2d0$0800a8c0@thunderchild>
References: <20010811112850.1aa742a9.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010904081848.03daaeb0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 01:23 PM 9/2/01, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
 >I ran into the same problem. Unfortunatedly I can't 'su' to 'mailman'.

Then have whoever CAN 'su mailman' on your system (someone who has root) do 
it for you.

jc




From atropos at fates.org  Tue Sep  4 17:35:23 2001
From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:35:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.6, MacOS X Server 10.0.4, "We've caught a bug!"
Message-ID: <19324224.999603323@mrspeel.fates.org>

At first this wasn't consistently happening but now it is.

History:
Upgraded Apache using the instructions at StepWise, with a little 
assistance from another site I've forgotten. Apache itself seems to be 
quite stable and is hosting three domains.

Installed current stable release of Postfix per directions on StepWise, 
everything seems to be running smoothly (procmail is local delivery agent, 
if that makes any difference).

Followed suggestion of waterknot1 at mac.com on 05 August 2001 and modified 
ownership of admin, admindb, listinfo and subscribe scripts to www:mailman, 
to help prevent the quite-annoying permission denied errors.

Followed Apple TIL to avoid CGI POST errors (apache is manually started 
using apachectl instead of StartupItems).

Attempt to log in to administer a test list: 
http://www.fates.net/mailman/admin/mrsgale-test; enter password, get error: 
"Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but 
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs."

Traceback from ~mailman/logs/error:

Sep 04 11:22:11 2001 admin(6533): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(6533): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
admin(6533): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(6533): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(6533):   File "/users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(6533):     main()
admin(6533):   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 83, in main
admin(6533):     cgidata = cgi.FieldStorage(keep_blank_values=1)
admin(6533):   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 503, in 
__in
it__
admin(6533):     self.read_urlencoded()
admin(6533):   File "/users/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 575, in 
read
_urlencoded
admin(6533):     qs = self.fp.read(self.length)
admin(6533): IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor
admin(6533): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(6533): sys.version    = 2.1 (#4, 05/17/01, 18:34:21)
[GCC Apple DevKit-based CPP 6.0alpha]
admin(6533): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(6533): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(6533): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(6533): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(6533): sys.platform   = darwin1
admin(6533): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(6533):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /Volumes/Storage/Web Domains/Fates.net
admin(6533):    SERVER_ADDR: 209.9.63.99
admin(6533):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(6533):    CONTENT_LENGTH: 16
admin(6533):    CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(6533):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /Volumes/Storage/Web 
Domains/Fates.net/mrsgale-
test
admin(6533):    REMOTE_ADDR: 209.9.63.100
admin(6533):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Darwin) PHP/4.0.6 DAV/1.0.2
admin(6533):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(6533):    __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING: 0x46:0:0
admin(6533):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en, de, fr, nl, it, ja, es
admin(6533):    REMOTE_PORT: 50633
admin(6533):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(6533):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(6533):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.5 (compatible; OmniWeb/4.0.5; 
Mac_Pow
erPC)
admin(6533):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: utf-8, iso-10646-ucs-2, iso-8859-1, 
macinto
sh, windows-1252, *
admin(6533):    HTTP_ACCEPT: application/futuresplash, application/rtf, 
applicat
ion/sdp, application/x-itool, application/x-rtsp, 
application/x-shockwave-flash,
 audio/basic, audio/mpeg, audio/vnd.qcelp, audio/wav, audio/x-aiff, 
audio/x-midi
, image/gif, image/jpeg, image/pict, image/png, image/tiff, 
image/x-macpaint, im
age/x-photoshop, image/x-quicktime, image/x-targa, image/x-xbitmap, 
image/xbm, t
ext/html, text/plain, video/flc, video/quicktime, video/x-msvideo, */*
admin(6533):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/mrsgale-test
admin(6533):    QUERY_STRING:
admin(6533):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(6533):    PATH_INFO: /mrsgale-test
admin(6533):    HTTP_HOST: www.fates.net
admin(6533):    REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(6533):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 Server at 
fates.net Por
t 80</ADDRESS>

admin(6533):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(6533):    SERVER_ADMIN: atropos at fates.net
admin(6533):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /users/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(6533):    PYTHONPATH: /users/mailman
admin(6533):    HTTP_REFERER: 
http://www.fates.net/mailman/admin/mrsgale-test
admin(6533):    HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
admin(6533):    SERVER_NAME: fates.net

The "bad file descriptor" has me concerned, but aside from that... anyone 
have any suggestions?

-- 
David B. O'Donnell - atropos at fates.org - www.fates.org
Help rescue cats in need: Fancy Cats Rescue Team, www.fancycats.org



From director at aibcenter.com  Tue Sep  4 18:39:34 2001
From: director at aibcenter.com (Ray Gabriel,  host/founder AIB)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Eliminate Headers in Digests?
In-Reply-To: <E15eIdU-0007Y1-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010904103401.02da3cd0@pop.aibcenter.com>

Hi All,

Someone asked the question the other
day but I haven't seen the answer:

-------------------------------------
Is there anyway to eliminate most of
the ugly HEADERS in digests? 
-------------------------------------

I have a large list (7000+ daily) 
and the headers take up a lot of
space and look awful in a digest.
I am sending this to 200 countries.

I'm currently using MajorDomo 1.9+
and can easily eliminate all but the
SUBJECT: and FROM: in digest without
editing them after they are sent. I'd
love to upgrade to mailman though.

Thanks in advance for advice!

Ray Gabriel
www.aibcenter.com 




From hdung at lending4all.com  Tue Sep  4 20:37:47 2001
From: hdung at lending4all.com (Huy K Dung)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with Mailman 2.1.1
Message-ID: <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F01AB93@elephant.lending4all.com>

Sep  4 13:27:32 mbogo sendmail[24301]: f84HRVb24301:
from=<hdung at lending4all.com>, size=2143, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F012881 at elephant.lending4all.com>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=Daemon0, relay=www.newenglandmerchantscorp.com
[65.168.142.50]
Sep  4 13:27:32 mbogo sendmail[24302]: f84HRVb24301:
to="|/home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper post test",
ctladdr=<test at mbogo.lending4all.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=prog, pri=31428, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

that's what i see in the maillog file but nothing seems to get to Mailman.
please help!!! thanks.

i have the following configurations:

linux 7.0
sendmail 8.11.0
python 2.1.1
mailman 2.0.6

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From list at lumerman.com  Tue Sep  4 20:46:47 2001
From: list at lumerman.com (list)
Date: Tue,  4 Sep 2001 11:46:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configurations on submission results page
Message-ID: <040901247.42406@webbox.com>

Hello,
I'm a bit new to the whole mailman configuration thing and am
a bit stumped.

I'm trying to configure the background color of the submission
results page. I sucessfully edit the HTML with the new background
color and look and feel configurations, but when viewed, my background
is still white.

If I look at the HTML code there appears to be THREE (3) body
tags, 2 of which are not in my pasted HTML (see below snippet).


Any help would be appreciated.
David


--- code snippet ---
<HTML>
<HEAD>
</HEAD>
<BODY
<BODY bgcolor="#ffffff">
<!-- $Revision: 1.4 $ -->
<html>
<head><title>Jclist Subscription results</title></head>
<body bgcolor="#9999FF">

<h1>Jclist Subscription results</h1>
Confirmation from your email address is required, to prevent
anyone from subscribing you without permission. Instructions
are being sent to you at david at aaa.com. Please note your subscription
will not start until you confirm your subscription.

</body>
</html>

</BODY>
</HTML>






From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Sep  4 21:20:28 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:20:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
In-Reply-To: <3B8FDB7B.B84BA4C1@tripos.com>; from jperez@tripos.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 01:46:19PM -0500
References: <3B8FDB7B.B84BA4C1@tripos.com>
Message-ID: <20010904152028.B3087@mems-exchange.org>

On 31 August 2001, John Perez said:
> I am working on a project for my company in which a group of people will
> be sending email that needs to be sent to the rest of the group (typical
> mail list).  However, I need my members to be able to send emails with
> attachments, so the the email, with attachments can be viewed, archived,
> et...  Will Mailman allow me to use attachments?

Yes, but:

  * you'll probably have to crank up the default minimum message
    size, which is 40 kB -- entirely appropriate for most publich
    mailing lists, but probably not for your needs

  * Pipermail -- the default archiver supplied with Mailman --
    doesn't understand MIME.  It just shows the raw MIME message
    bodies, which are interesting, but not what your users
    want.  (And doesn't really take advantage of the web's
    capabilities, alas.)

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From will at willspc.net  Tue Sep  4 21:52:29 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:52:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID/UID problems...
Message-ID: <000201c1357b$2207a360$0200a8c0@Home.WillNet.com>

Is there any way to teach wrapper to just shut up and accept from most
any user?  I had it working, then it isn't then it is.
 
If not, what's the best uid/gid to teach it to run as?
 
--Will
 
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From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Tue Sep  4 23:07:42 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:07:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Give me this day my daily CRON error....
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010904170646.038bbf34@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

Every day, I get the following Cron error from the machine I'm running my
mailing lists on:

>Return-Path: mailman at ultranet.kom.cx
>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:00:02 -0400 (EDT)
>From: mailman at ultranet.kom.cx (Cron Daemon)
>To: mailman at ultranet.kom.cx
>Subject: Cron <mailman at ultranet> /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
>X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
>X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
>X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
>X-Cron-Env: <USER=mailman>
>
>Traceback (innermost last):
>  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 59, in main
>    mlist.Save()
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 879, in Save
>    self.SaveRequestsDb()
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 93, in SaveRequestsDb
>    self.__closedb()
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 80, in __closedb
>    fp = open(self.__filename, 'w')
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/foo-list/request.db'

The list seems to be running happily enough. What's the error mean, and
what do I do about it?

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "Talk about passing the time..." 
     -Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI



From mark at quiz.minc.org  Tue Sep  4 23:07:57 2001
From: mark at quiz.minc.org (Mark De Silva)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:07:57 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help with Mailman 2.1.1
In-Reply-To: <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F01AB93@elephant.lending4all.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109050505060.18667-100000@quiz.minc.org>

I have the same problem - I can't even get people to subscribe. Did you
have a problem with wrapper GID? Something like "looking for 12 but got
2"? After I rectified the problem with --with-mail-gid=2 in the configure,
it stopped complaining but I could'nt subscribe and I can't post. My mail
log shows the same as your, but nothing is delivered. Posted this problem
2 days ago but no one has responded. If you do happen to fix it pls let me
know how you did it. Thanks.

best regards,
Mark


On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Huy K Dung wrote:

> Sep  4 13:27:32 mbogo sendmail[24301]: f84HRVb24301:
> from=<hdung at lending4all.com>, size=2143, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F012881 at elephant.lending4all.com>,
> proto=ESMTP, daemon=Daemon0, relay=www.newenglandmerchantscorp.com
> [65.168.142.50]
> Sep  4 13:27:32 mbogo sendmail[24302]: f84HRVb24301:
> to="|/home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper post test",
> ctladdr=<test at mbogo.lending4all.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
> mailer=prog, pri=31428, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
> that's what i see in the maillog file but nothing seems to get to Mailman.
> please help!!! thanks.
>
> i have the following configurations:
>
> linux 7.0
> sendmail 8.11.0
> python 2.1.1
> mailman 2.0.6
>
>




From techgrrl at beeze.com  Tue Sep  4 23:54:20 2001
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:54:20 -0700
Subject: Archiver (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments)
References: <3B8FDB7B.B84BA4C1@tripos.com> <20010904152028.B3087@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <018c01c1358c$276a5c60$0200010a@home.beeze.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Ward" <gward at mems-exchange.org>

>   * Pipermail -- the default archiver supplied with Mailman --
>     doesn't understand MIME.  It just shows the raw MIME message
>     bodies, which are interesting, but not what your users
>     want.  (And doesn't really take advantage of the web's
>     capabilities, alas.)

That reminds me ...

Can anyone recommend an archiver that will work nicely with Mailman? It needs to have a search function *and* deal gracefully with attachments.

 -- Sarah






From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Sep  5 00:39:40 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:39:40 -0700
Subject: Archiver (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Sarah K. Miller" <techgrrl@beeze.com> 
   of "Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:54:20 PDT." <018c01c1358c$276a5c60$0200010a@home.beeze.com> 
References: <3B8FDB7B.B84BA4C1@tripos.com> <20010904152028.B3087@mems-exchange.org>  <018c01c1358c$276a5c60$0200010a@home.beeze.com> 
Message-ID: <3471.999643180@2wire.com>

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:54:20 -0700 
Sarah K Miller <techgrrl at beeze.com> wrote:

> Can anyone recommend an archiver that will work nicely with
> Mailman? It needs to have a search function *and* deal gracefully
> with attachments.

I'm not aware of any that fit that bill.  Archiving and search
functionality are very distinct functionalities.  For archiving I
generally recommend MHonArc:

  http://www.mhonarc.org/

For search indexing I like MnoGoSearch:

  http://www.mnogosearch.org/

I use both at Kanga.Nu:

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

See prior list posts for details on how to integrate and directions
to my configs/setup.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From dmelton at banzuke.com  Wed Sep  5 01:17:11 2001
From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:17:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Archiver (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments) 
In-Reply-To: <3471.999643180@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109041611140.25243-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>

I've got one list with a huge archive...over 30,000 messages.
I have been using HTDig, but I'd like to find something that
needs less space for search index files.  Any thoughts on how
mnoGoSearch compares, in terms of disk space and performance?

Thanks much,
  Dave Melton

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:54:20 -0700 
> Sarah K Miller <techgrrl at beeze.com> wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone recommend an archiver that will work nicely with
> > Mailman? It needs to have a search function *and* deal gracefully
> > with attachments.
> 
> I'm not aware of any that fit that bill.  Archiving and search
> functionality are very distinct functionalities.  For archiving I
> generally recommend MHonArc:
> 
>   http://www.mhonarc.org/
> 
> For search indexing I like MnoGoSearch:
> 
>   http://www.mnogosearch.org/
> 
> I use both at Kanga.Nu:
> 
>   http://www.kanga.nu/archives/
> 
> See prior list posts for details on how to integrate and directions
> to my configs/setup.
> 
> 




From James.Ashton at anu.edu.au  Wed Sep  5 01:33:49 2001
From: James.Ashton at anu.edu.au (James Ashton)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:33:49 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella list issues
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010903172138.02d083c8@syseng.anu.edu.au>

I'm just automating about 50 lists with mailman and, as far as I can tell 
from the documentation and archives of this list, there are problems with 
umbrella lists.  Am I correct in assuming that mailman (as of 2.0.5) doesn't 
treat umbrella lists differently except in the way it addresses reminders to 
the list owner?  If so this would seem to have some major drawbacks:

*  Duplicate emails to members of multiple sub-lists

*  Modification of the subject line and addition of footers by multiple 
lists in a list hierarchy.

*  Requirement to authorise messages to umbrella lists multiple times.

The last one is a real killer for us.  Say I set a 40KB limit for all lists 
and then want to authorise a larger message sent to an overall master list 
which has nearly 30 sub-lists nested up to three levels deep.  It looks to 
me like I'm going to need to authorise the same email 30 times!

I've seen discussion on this subject in this list's archives with a 
suggestion for mailman umbrella lists to properly understand sub-lists.  
This would mean having mailman expanding list membership for umbrella lists 
in a single step rather than just sending email to each of the mailman 
sub-lists.  This would solve all of the above problems.  Has anyone 
implemented this and/or are there plans to integrate this into future 
mailman versions?

--
James Ashton                    VK1XJA                    System Administrator
http://wwwsyseng.anu.edu.au/~jaa             Department of Systems Engineering
Voice +61 2 6125 8675  Research School of Information Sciences and Engineering
FAX   +61 2 6125 8660                           Australian National University
Email James.Ashton at anu.edu.au                      Canberra ACT 0200 Australia




From pug at pug.net  Wed Sep  5 02:07:14 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:07:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella list issues
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010903172138.02d083c8@syseng.anu.edu.au>; from James.Ashton@anu.edu.au on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:33:49AM +1000
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010903172138.02d083c8@syseng.anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20010904190714.B5543@stardock.pug.net>

James Ashton (James.Ashton at anu.edu.au) said something that sounded like:
> Am I correct in assuming that mailman (as of 2.0.5) doesn't 
> treat umbrella lists differently except in the way it addresses reminders to 
> the list owner? 

This is true.

> If so this would seem to have some major drawbacks:
> *  Duplicate emails to members of multiple sub-lists
> *  Modification of the subject line and addition of footers by multiple 
> lists in a list hierarchy.
> *  Requirement to authorise messages to umbrella lists multiple times.

Correct on all three accounts. This is how I get around these issues:

#!/bin/csh
foreach name (`cat /opt/depot/mailman/announce.src`)
  /opt/depot/mailman/bin/list_members $name >> /etc/mailman.announce
end
sort -iu -o /etc/mailman.announce /etc/mailman.announce
/opt/depot/mailman/bin/sync_members -w=n -d=n -a=n -f /etc/mailman.announce umbrella_list >& /dev/null

This allows me to keep a list of sub-lists - one per line in the file
/opt/depot/mailman/announce.src - and to sync them up to the umbrella list.
This umbrella list does not allow anyone to subscribe to it and all
posts to it are moderated.

I don't delete the master file /etc/mailman.announce so that I can look
through it if needed.

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From josi at globalmargin.com  Wed Sep  5 03:55:35 2001
From: josi at globalmargin.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ignacio_Franqueiro?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:55:35 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gid problem
Message-ID: <004901c135ad$ef9331a0$0e0a0a0a@admin2>

Hi.

I?m using Mailman with Redhat 7.0, with Qmail and Plesk as general administrating tool.

I installed Mailman till the point of create test list. I can subscribe emails to that list, ok.

I created aliases through Plesk and then edited the .qmail field with the corresponding function for each one.

When I send message to the list or to any of the other aliases, I get this error in /var/log/maillog:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 10033, GOT gid 110.  (Reconfigure to take 110?)

What?s the problem here?

Thank you in advance.

Jos? Ignacio Franqueiro

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From josi at globalmargin.com  Wed Sep  5 06:38:06 2001
From: josi at globalmargin.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?Sm9z6SBJZ25hY2lvIEZyYW5xdWVpcm8=?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:38:06 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gid problem
Message-ID: <931658905.20010905013806@globalmargin.com>

Hi.

I?m  using  Mailman  with  Redhat 7.0, with Qmail and Plesk as general
administration tool.

I installed Mailman till the point of create test list. I can subscribe
emails to that list, ok.

I created aliases through Plesk and then edited the .qmail field with
the corresponding function for each one.

When I send message to the list or to any of the other aliases, I get
this error in /var/log/maillog:

> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 10033, GOT gid 110.  (Reconfigure
> to take 110?)

What?s the problem here?

Thank you in advance.

Jos? Ignacio Franqueiro





From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Wed Sep  5 06:58:11 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:58:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gid problem
In-Reply-To: <931658905.20010905013806@globalmargin.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010904215720.03bb60a0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 09:38 PM 9/4/01, Jos? Ignacio Franqueiro wrote:

 >When I send message to the list or to any of the other aliases, I get
 >this error in /var/log/maillog:
 >
 >> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 10033, GOT gid 110.  (Reconfigure
 >> to take 110?)

This is covered in the readme.

There are also 202 posts in the archive of this list that discuss the 
"wanted gid" error:

http://search.python.org/query.html?col=lists&ht=0&qp=&qt=%22WANTED+gid%22&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=0&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=1

You will find your frequently asked question's answer by reading these 
posts, probably by just reading the post summary/snippet on the search 
results URL listed above.

jc




From donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie  Wed Sep  5 13:27:46 2001
From: donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie (donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:27:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=5BMailman=2DUsers=5D=20configurations=20on=20submission=20result?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?s=20page?=
Message-ID: <3B94AE3100000523@hawk.dcu.ie>

David,

This is a known bug in HTMLFormatter.py, where some of tags are set in the
html file (eg subscribe.html) and others are set in the actually Mailman
code.

It may be fixed in Mailman 2.0.6, will definately be fixed in 2.1.
If you do a search through the Mailman-Users archives you should find a
number of threads on the topic.

Regards

Donal
--Sysops--
DCU

--- original message ---
Hello,
I'm a bit new to the whole mailman configuration thing and am
a bit stumped.

I'm trying to configure the background color of the submission
results page. I sucessfully edit the HTML with the new background
color and look and feel configurations, but when viewed, my background
is still white.

If I look at the HTML code there appears to be THREE (3) body
tags, 2 of which are not in my pasted HTML (see below snippet).


Any help would be appreciated.
David


--- code snippet ---
<HTML>
<HEAD>
</HEAD>
<BODY
<BODY bgcolor="#ffffff">
<!-- $Revision: 1.4 $ -->
<html>
<head><title>Jclist Subscription results</title></head>
<body bgcolor="#9999FF">

<h1>Jclist Subscription results</h1>
Confirmation from your email address is required, to prevent
anyone from subscribing you without permission. Instructions
are being sent to you at david at aaa.com. Please note your subscription
will not start until you confirm your subscription.

</body>
</html>

</BODY>
</HTML>











From will at willspc.net  Wed Sep  5 18:43:23 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:43:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo vs. mailman wrapper program
Message-ID: <021701c13629$e1f826a0$6701d50a@mackerel>

OK... here's the latest...

My RAQ3 came with majordomo installed...  
in the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory is a hardlink to the wrapper program within majordomo:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  28 Sep  1 18:45 wrapper -> /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper              


When I tried sending mail to willslist-admin, I get this error...

   ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner willslist"
    (expanded from: willslist-admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/local/majordomo/mailowner failed: No such file or directory
    Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
    HOME is HOME=/usr/local/majordomo,
    PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin,
    SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
    MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf
451 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner willslist"... Operating system error
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 5 days old                                   


How do I fix THIS headache?


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From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Wed Sep  5 19:24:18 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:24:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Creation
Message-ID: <3B965FC2.C56825CD@unc.edu>

What exaclty is going on here

[mailman at mill96 mailman]$ bin/newlist
Enter the name of the list: jeff
Enter the email of the person running the list: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
Initial jeff password:
Entry for aliases file:

## jeff mailing list
## created: 05-Sep-2001 mailman
jeff:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post jeff"
jeff-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner jeff"
jeff-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jeff"
jeff-owner:              jeff-admin

Hit enter to continue with jeff owner notification...

********************************************************

Once my list creation process reaches the point of owner notification...
it just hangs (forever)... is this a permissions problem?  Have I
connfigure a GID incorrectly?

Thanks

Jeff




From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Wed Sep  5 19:30:50 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:30:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional info
Message-ID: <3B96614A.46B51D0D@unc.edu>

sorry to post twice for the same issue but thought that maybe this would
help...

I ran

[root at mill96 mailman-2.0.6]# python -c'import os; print os.getgid()'
0

I get '0' for the GID as you can see above... is this weird.. normal?

Thanks for the info

Jeff




From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Wed Sep  5 19:46:44 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:46:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional info
References: <A19EEC21DB90D411B40900D0B7B4F8E73264F3@alermx.alerton.com>
Message-ID: <3B966504.E3363534@unc.edu>

Thanks for the quick response Kevin ---

Here is what I have

[mailman at mill96 mailman]$ python -c'import os; print os.getgid()'
502
[mailman at mill96 mailman]$ cat /etc/group | grep 502
mailman::502:

So.. looks like this is grabbing the GID of the user Mailman.... is that
correct?
Just for your convenience here is a "cat" of my group file, relevant to
mailman

[mailman at mill96 mailman]$ cat /etc/group

mail::12:mail
admin::110:root,mailman
nobody::99:
webd:x:48:
postfix:x:89:
mailman::502:

Thanks

Jeff



Kevin Devin wrote:

> It appears to me that your are receiving the GID for the user whom you're
> logged in as... in this case root.  Try logging in as the mailman user or
> yourself and running it again and see what you come up with.
>
> -KHD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Baldwin [mailto:jeff_baldwin at unc.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:31 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional info
>
> sorry to post twice for the same issue but thought that maybe this would
> help...
>
> I ran
>
> [root at mill96 mailman-2.0.6]# python -c'import os; print os.getgid()'
> 0
>
> I get '0' for the GID as you can see above... is this weird.. normal?
>
> Thanks for the info
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
**If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried --
unknown**

============================================
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Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:  (919) 966-9920
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============================================





From will at willspc.net  Wed Sep  5 22:17:01 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:17:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo vs. mailman wrapper program
References: <021701c13629$e1f826a0$6701d50a@mackerel> <p05100306b7bc1248e1c5@[4.3.93.135]>
Message-ID: <032e01c13648$00421300$6701d50a@mackerel>

Got a new one...

I did the link as that doc mentioned.  (not sure why I missed that doc for the first several days of install attempt)...

Now, in 
/usr/adm/sm.bin, I have
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           26 Sep  5 13:46 mm_wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           17 Jul  5 20:42 procmail -> /usr/bin/procmail
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           27 Jul  5 20:42 vacation.pl -> /usr/local/sbin/vacation.pl
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           28 Sep  1 18:45 wrapper -> /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper                                            


My alias file has:
## mytest mailing list
## created: 05-Sep-2001 mailman
mytest:                  "|mm_wrapper post mytest"
mytest-admin:            "|mm_wrapper mailowner mytest"
mytest-request:          "|mm_wrapper mailcmd mytest"                          

Sep  5 15:43:01 raq sendmail[9019]: PAA09019: from=<NONE>, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] 

If I change the aliases to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper, I get...
Sep  5 16:06:12 raq sendmail[10027]: QAA10025: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mytest", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error     

if I run the ./wrapper mailowner mytest from the console prompt, it seems to give me the first error again:
Sep  5 16:09:02 raq sendmail[10154]: QAA10154: from=<NONE>, size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]  


I really don't like how stupid I'm looking at this point...

I would GREATLY appreciate any advice, input, etc... (short of random confirmations that I'm stupid please. :-))

--Will

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Josh Rabinowitz 
  To: Will Nordmeyer 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo vs. mailman wrapper program


  Dear Will:

  I think this problem is explained in the file README.SENDMAIL
  in the mailman-2.0.6 distribution-- here is the relevant
  excerpt:

    --- excerpt from README.SENDMAIL ---
    ...
    For example, if you've installed Mailman in the standard location, you
    can just execute these commands (you might have to do these as root):

       % cd /etc/smrsh
       % ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper

      One complication: if you're running Majordomo and Mailman
    simultaneously (i.e. in the process of migrating from MD to MM :),
    then you might have a small problem because Majordomo also uses a
    program called `wrapper'.  In this case, Paul Tomblin suggests calling
    the Mailman symlink `mailman_wrapper', and changing the alias entries
    to call this instead of `wrapper'.  You might want to hack bin/newlist
    to output this instead.
    ...
    --- end excerpt ---

  It sounds like /usr/adm/sm.bin is your equivalent of /etc/smrsh, so 
  probably you can address it by setting up a dir with the appropriate 
  links - -write back if you want.

  -joshr

  >OK... here's the latest...
  >
  >My RAQ3 came with majordomo installed... 
  >in the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory is a hardlink to the wrapper 
  >program within majordomo:
  >
  >lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  28 Sep  1 18:45 wrapper -> 
  >/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper             
  >
  >
  >When I tried sending mail to willslist-admin, I get this error...
  >
  >    ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
  >"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner willslist"
  >     (expanded from: willslist-admin)
  >
  >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  >wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/local/majordomo/mailowner failed: No 
  >such file or directory
  >     Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
  >     HOME is HOME=/usr/local/majordomo,
  >     PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin,
  >     SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
  >     MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf
  >451 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner willslist"... Operating 
  >system error
  >Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
  >Will keep trying until message is 5 days old                                  
  >
  >How do I fix THIS headache?



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From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Wed Sep  5 23:26:26 2001
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:26:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gid problem
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010904215720.03bb60a0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
References: <931658905.20010905013806@globalmargin.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905161759.046740a0@pop.cs.uchicago.edu>

At 11:58 PM 9/4/01, J C Dill wrote:


>This is covered in the readme.
>
>There are also 202 posts in the archive of this list that discuss the 
>"wanted gid" error:
  [...]

Indeed, it's a *V*FAQ.

But is there room here to revive the idea of making the error message a 
little more self-explanatory?  Yes, I know it has the "(Reconfigure to take 
___?)" question, which helps.  But I suggest that "wanted" and "got" are 
less than ideal.

  I can't offer something equally terse, but at a little greater verbiage 
how about something more like "configured to take gid ___" and "was run 
under gid ___"?  Naturally these are just "wanted" and "got" in more words 
but to my ear that sort of spelling it out does assist comprehension.

Other suggestions along this line?

Regards,

Mitch Marks




--
Mitchell Marks
CUIP Tech Coordinator    http://cuip.uchicago.edu
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
5640 S Ellis Ave  AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637

Telephone:  Ofc 773-702-6041
         Fax 702-8212
         Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166
Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu
         Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with 
cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu
         Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at corecomm.net

      I remember you well in the Chelsea Hotel
you were famous your heart was a legend
You told me again you preferred handsome men
but for me you would make an exception.
      And clenching your fist for the ones like us
who are oppressed by the figures of beauty
You fixed yourself you said never mind
we are ugly but we have the music.
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From vchoi at interlegis.gov.br  Wed Sep  5 23:31:47 2001
From: vchoi at interlegis.gov.br (Vitor Choi Feitosa)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:31:47 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ENC: Questions about using mailman
Message-ID: <JCENKGMKPHBKDOLNJNCPCEEFCAAA.vchoi@interlegis.gov.br>

Hi there,

	I got a rather complex situation in my organization. The email service is
provided by a software called NTMail, running on NT 4.0.
	I would like to install mailman to take advantage of its mailing list
features but I am afraid that it will not do the work. I plan to install it
on a linux server, receiving messages through NTMail and sending email to
list subscribers through postfix.
	Is it possible? Does anyone here ever tried that?

TIA,
	Vitor.




From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Wed Sep  5 23:43:28 2001
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:43:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gid problem
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905164315.05cb67e0@pop.cs.uchicago.edu>

At 11:58 PM 9/4/01, J C Dill wrote:


>This is covered in the readme.
>
>There are also 202 posts in the archive of this list that discuss the 
>"wanted gid" error:
  [...]

Indeed, it's a *V*FAQ.

But is there room here to revive the idea of making the error message a 
little more self-explanatory?  Yes, I know it has the "(Reconfigure to take 
___?)" question, which helps.  But I suggest that "wanted" and "got" are 
less than ideal.

  I can't offer something equally terse, but at a little greater verbiage 
how about something more like "configured to take gid ___" and "was run 
under gid ___"?  Naturally these are just "wanted" and "got" in more words 
but to my ear that sort of spelling it out does assist comprehension.

Other suggestions along this line?

Regards,

Mitch Marks




--
Mitchell Marks
CUIP Tech Coordinator    http://cuip.uchicago.edu
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
5640 S Ellis Ave  AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637

Telephone:  Ofc 773-702-6041
         Fax 702-8212
         Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166
Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu
         Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with 
cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and mmar at midway.uchicago.edu
         Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at corecomm.net

We conserve charge: This message sent with 100% recycled electrons!




From claw at 2wire.com  Thu Sep  6 00:32:13 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:32:13 -0700
Subject: Archiver (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Melton <dmelton@banzuke.com> 
   of "Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:17:11 PDT." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109041611140.25243-100000@nishi.banzuke.com> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109041611140.25243-100000@nishi.banzuke.com> 
Message-ID: <9059.999729133@2wire.com>

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:17:11 -0700 (PDT) 
Dave Melton <dmelton at banzuke.com> wrote:

> I've got one list with a huge archive...over 30,000 messages.  

<nod>

I have a little under 100,000 messages archived at Kanga.Nu, and
just over 700,000 archived on my system at home.

> I have been using HTDig, but I'd like to find something that needs
> less space for search index files.  

MnoGoSearch used an SQL DB for its indexes rather than a custom DM
implementation.  The DB size is directly and significantly affected
by your configuration; minimum token length to index, use of
stopwords, use of sing/emulti/crc mode (or crc-multi etc), and so
forth.  Depending on your config the change in index size can easily
be more than an order of magnitude.

> Any thoughts on how mnoGoSearch compares, in terms of disk space
> and performance?

The best I can comment is that I need to do some postgresql tuning
on my installation, and that I haven't done it yet.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From will at willspc.net  Thu Sep  6 00:49:43 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:49:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gid problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905161759.046740a0@pop.cs.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <002501c1365d$0ec14490$0a00a8c0@WillHomeNet.com>

First suggestion I'd give.
 
Accept more than 1 GID. make it an array of valid GIDs. it's a simple
change to make in wrapper at least.  
 
--Will
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Marks
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:26 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gid problem
 
At 11:58 PM 9/4/01, J C Dill wrote:




This is covered in the readme.

There are also 202 posts in the archive of this list that discuss the
"wanted gid" error:
 [...]

Indeed, it's a *V*FAQ.

But is there room here to revive the idea of making the error message a
little more self-explanatory?  Yes, I know it has the "(Reconfigure to
take ___?)" question, which helps.  But I suggest that "wanted" and
"got" are less than ideal.

 I can't offer something equally terse, but at a little greater verbiage
how about something more like "configured to take gid ___" and "was run
under gid ___"?  Naturally these are just "wanted" and "got" in more
words but to my ear that sort of spelling it out does assist
comprehension.  

Other suggestions along this line?

Regards,

Mitch Marks





--
Mitchell Marks 
CUIP Tech Coordinator    http://cuip.uchicago.edu
<http://cuip.uchicago.edu/> 
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
5640 S Ellis Ave  AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637 

Telephone:  Ofc 773-702-6041   
        Fax 702-8212   
        Home (v.m. only, ok any time) 241-7166
Email: Primary address: mitch at cuip.uchicago.edu
        Alternate UofC addresses (use especially to report problems with
cuip.uchicago.edu): mitchell at cs.uchicago.edu and
mmar at midway.uchicago.edu
        Off-campus (ISP) address: mmarks at corecomm.net

     I remember you well in the Chelsea Hotel
you were famous your heart was a legend
You told me again you preferred handsome men
but for me you would make an exception.
     And clenching your fist for the ones like us
who are oppressed by the figures of beauty
You fixed yourself you said never mind
we are ugly but we have the music.
(L. Cohen, "Chelsea Hotel #2", 1971)
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From benwa at ocentrix.com  Thu Sep  6 00:49:47 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:49:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gid problem (Includes Patch
  against 2.0.6)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905161759.046740a0@pop.cs.uchicago.edu>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010904215720.03bb60a0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
 <931658905.20010905013806@globalmargin.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010905143204.00a7db90@mail.ocentrix.com>

(my advanced apologies for hitting both the -users and -developers 
lists.  I thought it would be applicable to both)

I agree that this error message is pretty ambiguous.  I participated in a 
thread about this started by Harold Paulson whom I thought had a pretty 
good idea of how to fix this.

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-April/010955.html

Since then I've seen this question asked, answered, and ignored many times 
on the list.  I realize that the error message says "Please read the 
INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the  --with-cgi-gid 
configure option", however I don't really see any reason that this 
shouldn't be more explicit.  I'm all for terseness, and I would rather see 
this list become more terse and the error message grow.

As I mentioned in the April thread, I think that the message should read:

"Mailman CGI error! Mailman was compiled to use GID 48, but
the web server is running as GID 99.  You must run
./configure again --with-cgi-gid=99, or reconfigure your web
server."

Instead of just whining about it like I did last time I figured I'd put 
together the following patch against 2.0.6 to common.c to make it do just 
that.  I've tested this on my machine and it works just fine.

----------begin patch------------
*** ./src/common.c.bak  Wed Sep  5 14:51:51 2001
--- ./src/common.c      Wed Sep  5 14:57:43 2001
***************
*** 124,129 ****
         if (parentgid != mygid) {
                 fatal(ident, GID_MISMATCH,
!                     "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid %ld, GOT gid %ld.  "
!                     "(Reconfigure to take %ld?)",
                       parentgid, mygid, mygid);
         }
--- 124,131 ----
         if (parentgid != mygid) {
                 fatal(ident, GID_MISMATCH,
!                     "Mailman CGI error! Mailman was compiled to use\n  "
!                       "GID %ld, but the web server is running as GID %ld.\n "
!                       "You must run ./configure again with the option\n "
!                       "--with-cgi-gid=%ld, or reconfigure your web server.",
                       parentgid, mygid, mygid);
         }
----------end patch------------

I hope this is useful,

- Ben

P.S.  Notice that the line separator I'm using is just the UNIX 
separator.  I imagine if someone wants to port this to Windows this will 
need to be fixed, but I don't know enough about python to find a platform 
portable line separator.  Is there such a thing? ( in Perl it's $/ )




From xnoellardin at sopra.com  Thu Sep  6 10:31:02 2001
From: xnoellardin at sopra.com (Xavier NOEL LARDIN)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:31:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem... User unknown
Message-ID: <200109060826.KAA00620@dns1.sopra.com>

So, i have intalled Mailman on a server (redHat). I use sendmail for my MTA, and Apache for my web server.
the problem is when i send a message to an existant list, i have tle following message : User unknown !
I have tested this in few lists, and i obtain the same result !
Nowever, when i add member to my list, this person receive correctly the welcoming message.
So can you help me please.

Thanks



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Sep  6 11:22:35 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 02:22:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Eliminate Headers in Digests? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ray Gabriel, host/founder AIB" <director@aibcenter.com> 
   of "Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:39:34 MDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20010904103401.02da3cd0@pop.aibcenter.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010904103401.02da3cd0@pop.aibcenter.com> 
Message-ID: <9586.999768155@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:39:34 -0600 
Ray Gabriel <Ray> wrote:

> Is there anyway to eliminate most of the ugly HEADERS in digests? 

Currently no.  The List-* headers are defined by RFC 2369 and
(arguably) should be present.  This is a FAQ -- please check the
list archives for previous exhaustive discussions.

> I have a large list (7000+ daily) and the headers take up a lot of
> space and look awful in a digest.  

Use/mandate MIME digests.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Thu Sep  6 12:05:43 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 06 Sep 2001 11:05:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem... User unknown
In-Reply-To: <200109060826.KAA00620@dns1.sopra.com>
References: <200109060826.KAA00620@dns1.sopra.com>
Message-ID: <999770748.1373.18.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Thu, 2001-09-06 at 09:31, Xavier NOEL LARDIN wrote:
> So, i have intalled Mailman on a server (redHat). I use sendmail for my MTA, and Apache for my web server.
> the problem is when i send a message to an existant list, i have tle following message : User unknown !
> I have tested this in few lists, and i obtain the same result !
> Nowever, when i add member to my list, this person receive correctly the welcoming message.
> So can you help me please.

Have you made the lists known to sendmail - probably by adding them into
the alias file (the entry to add to the alias file is output by newlist
when you create the list).  Also you may need to run newaliases or
whatever is needed by your MTA to make the aliases known.

	Nigel.





From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep  6 20:12:22 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:12:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Creation
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0109052151220.54878-100000@login6.isis.unc.edu>
References: 
 <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0109052151220.54878-100000@login6.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <p05101000b7bd6aac0248@[207.149.192.229]>

Ouch!  My previous answer is inoperative.  (That's such a useful sentence. ;-)

Sorry to tell you what you already know.

And I have to bow out:  I don't know what's happening, beyond the message
going off (for sending) to code I haven't examined which seems pointed
toward Mailman's queuing mechanism.  Could there be a stale lock lurking?

   --John

At 21:54 -0400 9/5/2001, Jeff Baldwin wrote:
>I guess I should of made my problem a little "clearer".  I have ran
>Mailman successfully in the past, when I say it hangs at the point where I
>am "to hit enter to send list info to admin."
>
>I mean, I can hit "enter" "k" "s" "any-key" and it just sits there, as if
>it is trying to send the message but can't for some reason, it just sits
>theer till I CTRL-D or CTRL-C to kill it.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jeff
>
>On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, John W Baxter wrote:
>
>> >What exaclty is going on here
>> >
>> >[mailman at mill96 mailman]$ bin/newlist
>> >Enter the name of the list: jeff
>> >Enter the email of the person running the list: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
>> >Initial jeff password:
>> >Entry for aliases file:
>> >
>> >## jeff mailing list
>> >## created: 05-Sep-2001 mailman
>> >jeff:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post jeff"
>> >jeff-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner jeff"
>> >jeff-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jeff"
>> >jeff-owner:              jeff-admin
>> >
>> >Hit enter to continue with jeff owner notification...
>> >
>> >********************************************************
>> >
>> >Once my list creation process reaches the point of owner notification...
>> >it just hangs (forever)... is this a permissions problem?  Have I
>> >connfigure a GID incorrectly?
>>
>> The source code is your friend...what's happening is that the list has been
>> created...the script is giving you a chance to jump into your web browser
>> and make any "little adjustments" you think are appropriate to this
>> particular list before the script sends off the new list message to the
>> list administrator.  That saves you from messing with mm_cfg.py for little
>> one-off changes.
>>
>> There is a comment at the top of the newlist script saying that (in
>> different words).
>>
>> Of course, the pause is more appropriate when the mailman administrator and
>> the list administrator are different people than in your situation with
>> this list.
>>
>>   --John
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA
>>

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From AdamP at abag.ca.gov  Thu Sep  6 21:02:32 2001
From: AdamP at abag.ca.gov (Adam Parrish)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:02:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrative interface failure
Message-ID: <sb9765ff.008@groupwise.abag.ca.gov>

Hello. We're currently running Mailman 2.0.5 on a Solaris 7 machine with Python 2.1.1c1. One of our list administrators was recently trying to add 100+ addresses at a time to a list through the web administration interface. This operation will usually succeed the first time, but when he tries to do the next batch, the administration interface stops responding and /home/mailman/logs/error is updated with the following cryptic abracadabra: 

Sep 06 10:29:14 2001 (1659) Delivery exception: 0 
Sep 06 10:29:14 2001 (1659) Traceback (most recent call last): 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline 
func(mlist, msg, msgdata) 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 74, in process 
deliver(admin, msgtext, chunk, refused) 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 210, in deliver 
refused = conn.sendmail(envsender, recips, msgtext) 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 496, in sendmail 
(code,resp)=self.rcpt(each, rcpt_options) 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 379, in rcpt 
return self.getreply() 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py", line 281, in getreply 
line = self.file.readline() 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 141, in sigterm_handler 
sys.exit(0) 
SystemExit: 0 

>From what I've read in the list archives, the "Delivery exception" line usually seems to give an actual description of the error, which is why this particular error message seems remarkable to me. 

Of course, if our list administrator only adds a reasonable number (50 or so) of addresses at a time, everything is peachy. And, of course, once I delete the lock files, the admin interface works fine. So this might be a case of "'it hurts when I move my arm like this!' 'well, then don't move your arm like that!'," but just the same I'd like to see if other people have had this problem. Anyone? 

Thanks, 
Adam Parrish 




From will at willspc.net  Thu Sep  6 21:21:03 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:21:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not sending mail to admin, etc.
Message-ID: <035501c13709$14cc4810$6701d50a@mackerel>

Hello AGAIN. :-)

NOW, when I send mail (mail dummy-admin), I get the following entries in my maillog... and no sent message.

Sep  6 15:08:31 raq sendmail[4246]: PAA04244: 
to="|mm_wrapper mailowner dummy",
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
Sep  6 15:09:00 raq sendmail[4275]: PAA04275: 
from=<NONE>, 
size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]

The first entry is the actual mail command I entered.  the 2nd entry is from the qrunner cron job I think...

mm_wrapper is in /usr/adm/sm.bin and a link to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

[root at raq sm.bin]# pwd
/usr/adm/sm.bin
[root at raq sm.bin]# ls -al
total 2
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  1024 Sep  5 16:01 .
drwxr-xr-x   3 root root  1024 Jul  5 20:35 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      26 Sep  5 13:46 mm_wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      17 Jul  5 20:42 procmail -> /usr/bin/procmail
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      27 Jul  5 20:42 vacation.pl -> /usr/local/sbin/vacation.pl
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      28 Sep  1 18:45 wrapper -> /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper          



If somebody would help the poor ignorant newbie, me... that would be soo wonderful!!!                                                       
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From christopher at schulte.org  Tue Sep  4 22:43:53 2001
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:43:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One message in ./qfiles hold up entire show (qrunner)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010904153126.0481e830@pop.schulte.org>

I noticed messages were not being processed by mailman to my MTA.  With MTA 
(postfix) and mailman (2.0.6) logs, I narrowed it down to one bounced 
message from a remote site that caused this error when qrunner tried to run 
and clear out the mailman queue:

Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389): Traceback (innermost last):
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", 
line 282, in ?
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):      kids = main(lock)
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", 
line 252, in main
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):      keepqueued = 
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", 
line 121, in dispose_message
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, 
mimemsg):
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):      addrs = func(msg)
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389):      if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 
'multipart/report' or \
Sep 04 15:16:09 2001 qrunner(20389): TypeError :  read-only character 
buffer, None

When I moved the offending messages out of the queue, qrunner ran just fine 
and 12,000 queued messages went out.

I'm running Mailman 2.0.6 and python:
Python 1.5.2 (#2, Jul 11 2000, 07:30:30)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] 
on freebsd4.

Because I don't want to spam the list with tons of message text, the 
messages that caused mailman to hang are located here:

http://smtp.schulte.org/smtp/mailman-bad-messages/

I will leave these up for as long as their required to debug this problem.

Is this a problem which I can fix, or perhaps some bug?  I see similar 
message in the list archive from 6-12 months ago, but nothing new.

Thanks,

--chris




From mtearle at tearle.com  Wed Sep  5 05:56:50 2001
From: mtearle at tearle.com (Mark Tearle)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:56:50 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella list issues
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010903172138.02d083c8@syseng.anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0109051155010.11944-100000@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, James Ashton wrote:

> I'm just automating about 50 lists with mailman and, as far as I can tell
> from the documentation and archives of this list, there are problems with
> umbrella lists.  Am I correct in assuming that mailman (as of 2.0.5) doesn't
> treat umbrella lists differently except in the way it addresses reminders to
> the list owner?  If so this would seem to have some major drawbacks:
>
[1] > *  Duplicate emails to members of multiple sub-lists
>
> *  Modification of the subject line and addition of footers by multiple
> lists in a list hierarchy.
>
[3] > *  Requirement to authorise messages to umbrella lists multiple times.
>
> The last one is a real killer for us.  Say I set a 40KB limit for all lists
> and then want to authorise a larger message sent to an overall master list
> which has nearly 30 sub-lists nested up to three levels deep.  It looks to
> me like I'm going to need to authorise the same email 30 times!
>
> I've seen discussion on this subject in this list's archives with a
> suggestion for mailman umbrella lists to properly understand sub-lists.
> This would mean having mailman expanding list membership for umbrella lists
> in a single step rather than just sending email to each of the mailman
> sub-lists.  This would solve all of the above problems.  Has anyone
> implemented this and/or are there plans to integrate this into future
> mailman versions?
>

See my patch/code that does something similar (solves 1 and 3) at:
	http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2001-September/009527.html

Of course, this is against 2.1a3 so YMMV.

Yours
Mark
-- 
Mark Tearle - mark at tearle.com  "Happiness, it seems to me, consists of
                                two things:  first, in being where you belong,
and second - and best - in comfortably going through everyday life, that is,
having had a good nights sleep and not being hurt by new shoes"  - Fontane




From murphys at teltec.dcu.ie  Wed Sep  5 14:05:04 2001
From: murphys at teltec.dcu.ie (Sean Murphy)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:05:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem accessing list admin interface
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010905125801.985G-100000@khumbu>

Hi,

I'm having problems accessing the admin interface for one of my lists. I'm
moving lists from my (mailman based) mail system to another mailman
system. Both systems run mailman v2.0.

I want to copy two particular lists. I had a look at the archives of the
mailing list to get some pointers on how to do this (I think this should
be in the FAQ). There, somebody suggested simply copying the
~mailman/lists/mylist directory and the appropriate directories from the
archives dir.

I copied the files from mylist directory on my system to the mylist dir on
the other system (config.db etc). I then tried to load up the admin
interface to see if the configuration of the list had changed. I got the
login page with a big error message saying that there is a bug in mailman.
I guessed that this might perhaps be to do with my not configuring the
archives properly so I ignored it and tried to log in. I could not gain
access to the admin interface and every time I tried to load up the admin
interface to this list my browser simply hangs. I've reverted to the old
files in that dir and even killed the list and recreated it, but to no
avail. All the other lists on my system appear to be working fine.

Has anyone got any ideas what the problem could be?

TIA,
Sean.





From jllanos at kictribe.org  Wed Sep  5 19:32:09 2001
From: jllanos at kictribe.org (James A Llanos JR)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:32:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <JMECLPMIOJIFFNPLAEDEGELLCAAA.jllanos@kictribe.org>

I just started to use Mailman and I am having trouble getting the lists to
work. I installed Mailman and setup lists but when I try to test it and send
mail to one of the lists it does not work. What do I do?




From bam at bamgraphics.com  Wed Sep  5 21:24:02 2001
From: bam at bamgraphics.com (bam)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 15:24:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] embed html
Message-ID: <3B967BD1.9CD3CBD7@bamgraphics.com>

Hi. I've been placed in charge of the e-burst of some of our clients -
our network administrator suggested we use mailman for this. Sorry for
the low-end question, but I am a newbie. I have a question about sending
e-mails to those signed up for the burst: how do I send html based
e-mails and where would I place the content for the burst that I will
send?




From baldwinj at email.unc.edu  Thu Sep  6 03:54:21 2001
From: baldwinj at email.unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:54:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Creation
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b7bc5f567612@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0109052151220.54878-100000@login6.isis.unc.edu>

I guess I should of made my problem a little "clearer".  I have ran
Mailman successfully in the past, when I say it hangs at the point where I
am "to hit enter to send list info to admin."  

I mean, I can hit "enter" "k" "s" "any-key" and it just sits there, as if
it is trying to send the message but can't for some reason, it just sits
theer till I CTRL-D or CTRL-C to kill it.

Thanks

Jeff

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, John W Baxter wrote:

> >What exaclty is going on here
> >
> >[mailman at mill96 mailman]$ bin/newlist
> >Enter the name of the list: jeff
> >Enter the email of the person running the list: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
> >Initial jeff password:
> >Entry for aliases file:
> >
> >## jeff mailing list
> >## created: 05-Sep-2001 mailman
> >jeff:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post jeff"
> >jeff-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner jeff"
> >jeff-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jeff"
> >jeff-owner:              jeff-admin
> >
> >Hit enter to continue with jeff owner notification...
> >
> >********************************************************
> >
> >Once my list creation process reaches the point of owner notification...
> >it just hangs (forever)... is this a permissions problem?  Have I
> >connfigure a GID incorrectly?
> 
> The source code is your friend...what's happening is that the list has been
> created...the script is giving you a chance to jump into your web browser
> and make any "little adjustments" you think are appropriate to this
> particular list before the script sends off the new list message to the
> list administrator.  That saves you from messing with mm_cfg.py for little
> one-off changes.
> 
> There is a comment at the top of the newlist script saying that (in
> different words).
> 
> Of course, the pause is more appropriate when the mailman administrator and
> the list administrator are different people than in your situation with
> this list.
> 
>   --John
> 
> 
> -- 
> John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA
> 




From baldwinj at email.unc.edu  Thu Sep  6 03:56:14 2001
From: baldwinj at email.unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:56:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Creation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109060717250.19099-100000@quiz.minc.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0109052154500.54878-100000@login6.isis.unc.edu>

As I meentioned in my prior e-mail, it hangs while trying to send the
conf. message , even after I hit enter or whatever.  This is why I am
wondering if maybe I have set the wrong GID or something for the
"mail-gid" and it can't send the mail for some reason.

Jef

On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Mark De Silva wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> 
> You have to hit enter. What its doing is showing you what to add to your
> /etc/mail/aliases (or /etc/aliases depending on which flavour of UNIX you
> are running). When you hit enter it will mail the email address of the
> person running the list with the information you keyed in.
> 
> If you want to get rid of that stuff, try the -q in the newlist command :
> 
> ./bin/newlist -q <listname-to-create>
> 
> rgds,
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Jeff Baldwin wrote:
> 
> > What exaclty is going on here
> >
> > [mailman at mill96 mailman]$ bin/newlist
> > Enter the name of the list: jeff
> > Enter the email of the person running the list: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
> > Initial jeff password:
> > Entry for aliases file:
> >
> > ## jeff mailing list
> > ## created: 05-Sep-2001 mailman
> > jeff:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post jeff"
> > jeff-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner jeff"
> > jeff-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jeff"
> > jeff-owner:              jeff-admin
> >
> > Hit enter to continue with jeff owner notification...
> >
> > ********************************************************
> >
> > Once my list creation process reaches the point of owner notification...
> > it just hangs (forever)... is this a permissions problem?  Have I
> > connfigure a GID incorrectly?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> 




From bje at air.net.au  Thu Sep  6 08:13:31 2001
From: bje at air.net.au (Ben Elliston)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:13:31 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration gotcha
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109061611210.7925-100000@mailhub.air.net.au>

I got tripped up by not paying close attention to this line in the
installation instructions:

Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public mailing list
archives: For example, in Apache:

   Alias /pipermail/	$varprefix/archives/public/

I missed the trailing /.  I wonder if the docs should spell this point out
more clearly?  At first, I thought something more drastic was wrong.

Cheers, Ben





From gjenkins at schwabservices.com  Thu Sep  6 16:25:27 2001
From: gjenkins at schwabservices.com (Greg Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:25:27 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello
Message-ID: <NFBBJECLKLGBLMEEBNCECEPLCFAA.gjenkins@schwabservices.com>

i wanted to know if there were a way to automatically add names to a mailing
list via a web page.
example,

someone goes to a webpage and puts in their email address. that address is
then added to the list and the list admin can send an email to an email
address that disperses to everyone on the list without having to make
updates themself.

thanks,

Greg Jenkins
202.861.0000  P
202.861.8005  F


                                   1219 Connecticut Avenue, Suite 400
                                            Washington, DC 20036
                                          www.SchwabServices.com




From emil at iixnetworks.net  Tue Sep  4 14:41:08 2001
From: emil at iixnetworks.net (Emil Djagoredo)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:41:08 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: <3B94CBE4.4080409@iixnetworks.net>

Hi, I am Emil
I have compile and installing mailman on
slackware 8. 

mailman -----> /usr/local/mailman
I can see admin interfaces trough web. 
The problem are every 5 minutes i have messages like the following 

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/isoc-id/config.db'

would someone  tell me how to fix this problem thank's






From howanitz at nindo.com  Thu Sep  6 23:29:04 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:29:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <JMECLPMIOJIFFNPLAEDEGELLCAAA.jllanos@kictribe.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109061625270.18035-100000@chauncer.greenshire.com>

Can you subscribe through the web interface?  If not, I think most likely
you did not configure your alias file properly, or forgot to add the
wrapper to /etc/smrsh (if in use...)  I would sugest reading the
instructions again, deleting the current test list, and adding a new test
list to see if you can get that one to work.

-- 

-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, James A Llanos JR wrote:

> I just started to use Mailman and I am having trouble getting the lists to
> work. I installed Mailman and setup lists but when I try to test it and send
> mail to one of the lists it does not work. What do I do?




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Thu Sep  6 23:50:43 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:50:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <JMECLPMIOJIFFNPLAEDEGELLCAAA.jllanos@kictribe.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010906142503.00a94820@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 09:32 AM 9/5/2001 -0800, James A Llanos JR wrote:
>I just started to use Mailman and I am having trouble getting the lists to
>work. I installed Mailman and setup lists but when I try to test it and send
>mail to one of the lists it does not work. What do I do?

Step 1.

Rewrite your question including exact error messages, system information, 
and version information for Mailman, Python, and your MTA. This will give 
readers a better idea of what problem you're having.

Step 2.

Leave words like "Help" out of the subject line and replace them with more 
descriptive terms that apply to your situation.  This  will hopefully get 
more people to read your question.

Good luck,

- Ben



>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Fri Sep  7 00:18:45 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:18:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
In-Reply-To: <3B94CBE4.4080409@iixnetworks.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010906151455.00a62bd0@mail.ocentrix.com>

Emil,

This looks like a permissions issue ;)  Try running 
/usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms.  If it reports any problems run it with 
the -f option and  that should fix it.  What version of Mailman are you 
running.

- Ben

At 07:41 PM 9/4/2001 +0700, Emil Djagoredo wrote:
>Hi, I am Emil
>I have compile and installing mailman on
>slackware 8.
>mailman -----> /usr/local/mailman
>I can see admin interfaces trough web. The problem are every 5 minutes i 
>have messages like the following
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
>    process_lists(lock)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
>    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
>    self.Load()
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
>    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
>    fp = open(dbfile)
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
>'/usr/local/mailman/lists/isoc-id/config.db'
>
>would someone  tell me how to fix this problem thank's
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From matthias at astrum.ch  Fri Sep  7 00:23:30 2001
From: matthias at astrum.ch (Matthias Leisi)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:23:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's password generation
Message-ID: <20010907002330.O20619@hub.net.astrum.ch>

A user of mine showed me the following odd behaviour: When subscribing by
mail (foo-request at host), one gets assigned a password "foo" (yes, the list
name is being used as the password). 

Am I missing something, and if yes, what is it?

Regards,
Matthias



From Donal.Hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie  Fri Sep  7 01:06:33 2001
From: Donal.Hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie (Donal Hunt)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 00:06:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem accessing list admin interface
Message-ID: <3B980179.A422986@mail.dcu.ie>

Sean,

Here's a message Barry wrote up a while ago on the subject and is probably
the best way to do it...
Hope it helps - Feel free to give us a buzz if you get stuck.

Regards

Donal
--Sysops--
DCU

Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:25:14 -0400
To: Michael Olivier <michaelo at excitehome.net>
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Cc: mailman-developers at python.org
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] How to rename a list


A while ago Michael asked about the canonical way to rename a mailing
list.  Turns out that I had to do this for one of the zope.org lists,
although I didn't get to it before my vacation.  As an exercise I
decided to write up the steps as a FAQ entry, then move the zope.org
list and see how close I got.  I was suprised that I didn't have to
change a thing, but the real test will be for one of you to try to
follow the recipe and find the gotchas.

I append the FAQ entry below.  It looks imposing, and that's enough of
a reason why the current situation sucks, but renaming a list just
isn't a common enough task IMO that it's worth spending time improving
for MM2.1.  Let's put it on the slate for the next version, though.

And though it seems like a lot of stuff, it really isn't.  I was able
to follow the instructions and rename the list in about 5 minutes.
There's a lot of detail because you want to be as cautious as possible
so that no posts or web hits are reaching the list until the move is
complete.

Comments, questions?

-Barry

(P.S. Michael, I hope this helps!)

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
Q. How do I rename a list?

A. Renaming a list is currently a bit of a pain to do completely
   correctly, especially if you want to make sure that the old list
   contacts are automatically forwarded to the new list.  This ought
   to be easier. :(

   The biggest problem you have is how to stop mail and web traffic to
   your list during the transition, and what to do about any mail
   undelivered to the old list after the move.  I don't think there
   are any foolproof steps, but here's how you can reduce the risk:

   - Temporarily disable qrunner.  To do this, you need to edit the
     user `mailman's crontab entry.  Execute the following command,
     commenting out the qrunner line when you're dropped into your
     editor.  Then save the file and quit the editor.

     % crontab -u mailman -e

   - Turn off your mail server.  This is mostly harmless since remote
     MTAs will just keep retrying until you turn it back on, and it's
     not going to be off for very long.

   - Next turn off your web server if possible.  This of course means
     your entire site will be off-line while you make the switch and
     this may not be acceptable to you.  The next best suggestion is
     to set up your permanent redirects now for the list you're
     moving.  This means that anybody looking for the list under its
     old name will be redirected to the new name, but they'll get
     errors until you've completed the move.

     Let's say the old name is "oldname" and the new name is
     "newname".  Here are some Apache directives that will do the
     trick, though YMMV:

     RedirectMatch permanent /mailman/(.*)/oldname(.*) 
http://www.dom.ain/mailman/$1/newname$2
     RedirectMatch permanent /pipermail/oldname(.*)    
http://www.dom.ain/pipermail/newname$1

     Add these to your httpd.conf file and restart Apache.

   - Now cd to the directory where you've installed Mailman.  Let's
     say it's /usr/local/mailman:

     % cd /usr/local/mailman

     and cd to the `lists' subdirectory:

     % cd lists

     You should now see the directory `oldname'.  Move this to
     `newname':

     % mv oldname newname

   - Now cd to the private archives directory:

     % cd ../archives/private

     You will need to move the oldname's .mbox directory, and the
     .mbox file within that directory.  Don't worry about the public
     archives; the next few steps will take care of them without
     requiring you to fiddle around in the file system:

     % mv oldname.mbox newname.mbox
     % mv newname.mbox/oldname.mbox newname.mbox/newname.mbox

   - You now need to run the `bin/move_list' script to update some of
     the internal archiver paths.  IMPORTANT: Skip this step if you
     are using Mailman 2.1!

     % cd ../..
     % bin/move_list newname

   - You should now regenerate the public archives:

     % bin/arch newname

   - You'll likely need to change some of your list's configuration
     options, especially if you want to accept postings addressed to
     the old list on the new list.  Visit the admin interface for your
     new list:

     o Go to the General options

     o Change the "real_name" option to reflect the new list's name,
       e.g. "Newname"

     o Change the subject prefix to reflect the new list's name,
       e.g. "[Newname] " (yes, that's a trailing space character).

     o Optionally, update other configuration fields like info,
       description, or welcome_msg.  YMMV.

     o Save your changes

     o Go to the Privacy options

     o Add the old list's address to acceptable_aliases.
       E.g. "oldname at dom.ain".  This way, (after the /etc/aliases
       changes described below) messages posted to the old list will
       not be held by the new list for "implicit destination"
       approval.

     o Save your changes

   - Now you want to update your /etc/aliases file to include the
     aliases for the new list, and forwards for the old list to the
     new list.  Note that these instructions are for Sendmail style
     alias files, adjust to the specifics of how your MTA is set up.

     o Find the lines defining the aliases for your old list's name

     o Copy and paste them just below the originals.

     o Change all the references of "oldname" to "newname" in the
       pasted stanza.

     o Now change the targets of the original aliases to forward to
       the new aliases.  When you're done, you will end up with
       /etc/aliases entries like the following (YMMV):

       # Forward the oldname list to the newname list
       oldname:         newname at dom.ain
       oldname-request: newname-request at dom.ain
       oldname-admin:   newname-admin at dom.ain
       oldname-owner:   newname-owner at dom.ain

       newname:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post newname"
       newname-admin:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
newname"
       newname-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd newname"
       newname-owner:   newname-admin

     o Run newaliases

   - Before you restart everything, you want to make one last check.
     You're looking for files in the qfiles/ directory that may have
     been addressed to the old list but weren't delivered before you
     renamed the list.  Do something like the following:

     % cd /usr/local/mailman/qfiles
     % grep oldname *.msg

     If you get no hits, skip to the next step, you've got nothing to
     worry about.

     If you did get hits, then things get complicated.  I warn you
     that the rest of this step is untested. :(

     For each of the .msg files that were destined for the old list,
     you need to change the corresponding .db file.  Unfortunately
     there's no easy way to do this.  Anyway...

     Save the following Python code in a file called 'hackdb.py':

     -------------------------hackdb.py
     import sys
     import marshal
     fp = open(sys.argv[1])
     d = marshal.load(fp)
     fp.close()
     d['listname'] = sys.argv[2]
     fp = open(sys.argv[1], 'w')
     marshal.dump(d, fp)
     fp.close()
     -------------------------

     And then for each file that matched your grep above, do the
     following:

     % python hackdb.py reallylonghexfilenamematch1.db newname

   - It's now safe to turn your MTA back on.

   - Turn your qrunner back on by running

     % crontab -u mailman -e

     again and this time uncommenting the qrunner line.  Save the file
     and quit your editor.

   - Rejoice, you're done.  Send $100,000 in shiny new pennies to the
     Mailman cabal as your downpayment toward making this easier for
     the next list you have to rename. :)



From dgz at matesz.hu  Fri Sep  7 13:28:49 2001
From: dgz at matesz.hu (Dicso Geza)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 13:28:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Date of users' registration
Message-ID: <3B98AF71.AC29E4D@matesz.hu>

Dear all!

How can I get the date of Mailman users' registration time?

I need the exact date of last user added to a list. 

TIA

-- 
Dicso Geza




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Sep  7 14:47:50 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 07 Sep 2001 14:47:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Date of users' registration
In-Reply-To: Dicso Geza's message of "Fri, 07 Sep 2001 13:28:49 +0200"
References: <3B98AF71.AC29E4D@matesz.hu>
Message-ID: <m3k7zbgoax.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Dicso Geza <dgz at matesz.hu> writes:

> How can I get the date of Mailman users' registration time?
> 
> I need the exact date of last user added to a list. 

$HOME/logs/subscribe

grep new logs/subscribe | grep listname | grep user at domain.tld

 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Sep  7 15:27:05 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 07 Sep 2001 15:27:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Date of users' registration
In-Reply-To: Detlef Neubauer's message of "07 Sep 2001 14:47:50 +0200"
References: <3B98AF71.AC29E4D@matesz.hu> <m3k7zbgoax.fsf@mailman.charite.de>
Message-ID: <m3y9nrku6u.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Detlef Neubauer <detlef.neubauer at charite.de> writes:

> Dicso Geza <dgz at matesz.hu> writes:
> 
> > How can I get the date of Mailman users' registration time?
> > 
> > I need the exact date of last user added to a list. 
> 
> $HOME/logs/subscribe
> 
> grep new logs/subscribe | grep listname | grep user at domain.tld

Sorry, i was wrong. Try this

grep new logs/subscribe | grep listname | tail -n 1

This gives you last subscriber include the date of subscibtion.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From ste at research.bell-labs.com  Fri Sep  7 20:22:58 2001
From: ste at research.bell-labs.com (Shaun Erickson)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:22:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists are advertised, but don't show up on user listinfo page
Message-ID: <3B991082.1070802@research.bell-labs.com>

My lists are advertised, but they don't show up on the user listinfo 
page (http://listserver/mailman/listinfo) but do on the admin page 
(http://listserver/mailman/admin). I cannot for the life of me figure 
out why they aren't showing up, and I haven't a clue as to where to 
start ... suggestions? Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I 
thank you in advance.

I'm running mailman_2.0beta6, though it didn't work when it was version 
1.1 either.

     -ste




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep  7 20:27:48 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 11:27:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists are advertised, but don't show up on
	user listinfo page
In-Reply-To: <3B991082.1070802@research.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <B7BE5FB3.677D%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 9/7/01 11:22 AM, "Shaun Erickson" <ste at research.bell-labs.com> wrote:

> I'm running mailman_2.0beta6, though it didn't work when it was version
> 1.1 either.

First, upgrade to the current non-beta mailman release, since huge numbers
of bugs have been fixed since b6 and it's silly to debug something that has
been obsolete for that long.


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and convincing people you know what you're talking about, even when you're
making it up as you go along. (chuq von rospach, 1992)







From howanitz at nindo.com  Fri Sep  7 20:30:02 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:30:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists are advertised, but don't show up on user
 listinfo page
In-Reply-To: <3B991082.1070802@research.bell-labs.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109071328590.20158-100000@chauncer.greenshire.com>

They will only show up with the fully qualified domain name.  I.E.
listserver.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo

-- 

-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Shaun Erickson wrote:

> My lists are advertised, but they don't show up on the user listinfo
> page (http://listserver/mailman/listinfo) but do on the admin page
> (http://listserver/mailman/admin). I cannot for the life of me figure
> out why they aren't showing up, and I haven't a clue as to where to
> start ... suggestions? Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I
> thank you in advance.
>
> I'm running mailman_2.0beta6, though it didn't work when it was version
> 1.1 either.
>
>      -ste
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Sep  7 23:54:17 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging failed admin login attempts (seems to be none)
Message-ID: <p05101000b7bef04d5445@[207.149.192.229]>

One of our web developers, whose client's Majordomo list is about to be
phased over to Mailman (2.0.1...I know...it will be 2.0.6 when I find a
round tuit this weekend), says the client is unable to access his admin
pages.

We both think that he is using a wrong password.

The research into the issue suggests to me that no logging of attempts to
log into a lists admin page using a wrong password is done.  At best, the
attempts can be inferred--in the web server logs--from a
GET
POST
sequence to an admin login page, not followed by a GET of the next page one
reaches (and the various little parts of the page).

I would think that .../logs/error would be a decent place to record a
failure.  (There isn't a lot of information to log...timestamp, IP address,
and fact of failure, probably.)

   --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From a.kotian at comstocksys.com  Sat Sep  8 03:37:42 2001
From: a.kotian at comstocksys.com (Ashwin Kotian)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:37:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to view archives page
Message-ID: <3B997666.3D0E13DE@comstocksys.com>

I've installed Mailman 2.0.6 & have been so far successful in setting it
up except for a problem with the Mailing List Archives link. I get the
following error when I click on the link for archives:

You don't have permission to access /pipermail/iaxess/ on this server

where iaxess is my list name. I have created this list as mailman but
still get this error .
My DocumentRoot for Default Apache server is /var/www/ while the
DocumentRoot for the Virtual server running Mailman is
/var/mailman/cgi-bin. Also I've created a default Alias of /pipermail/
to /var/mailman/archives/public/ but still I'm unable to access the
link.

There are two symbolic links in the /var/mailman/archives/public/
directory which are as follows:

lrwxrwxrwx    1 mailman  mailman        38 Sep  6 16:16 iaxess ->
/var/mailman/archives/private/iaxess
lrwxrwxrwx    1 mailman  mailman        43 Sep  6 16:16 iaxess.mbox ->
/var/mailman/archives/private/iaxess.mbox

But the /var/mailman/archives/private/iaxess file or folder doesn't even
exist . I've been scratching my brains over this for a very long time
but still haven't got the archive link to work.
Please help.

Thanks a lot.




From dredd at megacity.org  Sat Sep  8 16:45:38 2001
From: dredd at megacity.org (Derek Balling)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 07:45:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Hide Sender" option
Message-ID: <p05101011b7bfdf44b9f0@[192.168.123.171]>

When mailman goes through the effort of "hiding" the sender, it 
strips out the Sender,Reply-To,From, etc.

It DOESN'T, though, strip out the RECEIVED headers, allowing it to 
point right back at the sender. :-/

Is there any easy way (for a non-python-enabled user) to add this 
level of anonymity?

D

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From kdeepakin at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  8 16:54:02 2001
From: kdeepakin at yahoo.com (Deepak K)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 07:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help needed
Message-ID: <20010908145402.54452.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear All,
	
	I am a newbie to mailman. I have successfully setup
mailman in a RH6.2 system. the mailman version i have
setup is 2.0.6. Things are working fine. I have couple
of doubts in fine tuning mailman configuration

a) how to make the mailman to show the attachments as
attachments. whenever, someone sees the list of mails
on the server, as of now, it opens the attachments and
it is being shown as simple binary text format. this
essentially means that mailman is not able to
recognize attachments. how do i make the mailman to
understand attachments so that attachments are shown
as attachments

b) whether i can show date and time as a suffix to
each mail.

any help would be highly appreciable

thanks
k.deepak


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From seebach at mobilixnet.dk  Sat Sep  8 18:46:41 2001
From: seebach at mobilixnet.dk (Martin Seebach)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:46:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Files are missing in cgi-bin
Message-ID: <200109081646.SAA99177@commando.mobilixnet.dk>

Hello,

I have spend most of the day trying to get mailman to work on my Debian-Potato server. Everything seems go fine, and I can create a new list using newlist etc. but the cgi-bin directory is empty except for a file, "-data". What could I hvae done wrong to get this error?

Best regards,
Martin Seebach



From kachel at muenster.de  Sat Sep  8 18:56:46 2001
From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:56:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to view archives page
In-Reply-To: <3B997666.3D0E13DE@comstocksys.com>
References: <3B997666.3D0E13DE@comstocksys.com>
Message-ID: <7716312075.20010908185646@muenster.de>

Hello Ashwin,

On Saturday, September 08, 2001, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to view archives page

> My DocumentRoot for Default Apache server is /var/www/ while the
> DocumentRoot for the Virtual server running Mailman is
> /var/mailman/cgi-bin. Also I've created a default Alias of /pipermail/
> to /var/mailman/archives/public/ but still I'm unable to access the
> link.

> There are two symbolic links in the /var/mailman/archives/public/
> directory which are as follows:

Here is the problem, I think. Did you set the Option FollowSymlinks in
the access.conf file of your Apache for the Directory
/var/mailman/archives/public
If the Option isn't set you will get thar error.

Bye
Markus

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Sep  8 19:32:35 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 10:32:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help needed 
In-Reply-To: Message from Deepak K <kdeepakin@yahoo.com> 
   of "Sat, 08 Sep 2001 07:54:02 PDT." <20010908145402.54452.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20010908145402.54452.qmail@web11708.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <9096.999970355@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 07:54:02 -0700 (PDT) 
Deepak K <Deepak> wrote:

> a) how to make the mailman to show the attachments as
> attachments. whenever, someone sees the list of mails on the
> server, as of now, it opens the attachments and it is being shown
> as simple binary text format. this essentially means that mailman
> is not able to recognize attachments. how do i make the mailman to
> understand attachments so that attachments are shown as
> attachments

FWIW this is a FAQ.

There are two places where Mailman doesn't handle MIME:  text
digests and the internal pipermail archiver.  

  If your users are complaining about seeing MIME content in text
  digests, have them use MIME digests.  Or more simply, just move
  all your digest users over to MIME digests and disable text
  digests entirely.

  If you need to handle MIME in the message archiver you'll need an
  external archiver.  Pipermail is not that capable currently.  I
  recommend and use MHonArc See previous list messages for details.

> b) whether i can show date and time as a suffix to each mail.

The internal archiver currently does not support this.  Use an
external archiver.

-- 
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From will at willspc.net  Sun Sep  9 18:37:32 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not sending mail...
Message-ID: <001f01c1394d$ba4bf650$0200a8c0@Home.WillNet.com>

I think if I get THIS fixed, I JUST MIGHT have mailman up & running.  So
PLEASE. if anyone can help.  I would be soooo grateful.    
 
I'm on my Cobalt RAQ3.
 
Sendmail V8.9.3.
 
Mailman V2.0.6
 
mm_wrapper is a link in the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory pointing over to
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
 
When I send mail to mytest-admin, here's what appears in the maillog.
 
 
Sep  9 12:23:51 raq sendmail[19675]: MAA19675: 
from=admin, size=55, class=0, pri=30055, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<200109091623.MAA19675 at raq.willspc.net>, 
relay=admin at localhost
Sep  9 12:23:52 raq sendmail[19677]: MAA19675: 
to="|mm_wrapper mailowner mytest", 
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
 
That seems to queue the message up. then at the next minute, I get the
following.  I assume it is the translation message going from mailman's
mail processing routine forwarding it to the real list owner's address.
But it doesn't work.
 
Sep  9 12:24:01 raq sendmail[19703]: MAA19703: 
from=<NONE>, 
size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost
[127.0.0.1]
 
I don't understand what the problem is.  The mail never gets delivered
to where it is supposed to.  What's my stupid mistake. I know it's mine.
I admit it. I just don't know what it is. or how to fix it. :-)
 
--Will
 
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From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sun Sep  9 20:03:54 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:03:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not sending mail...
In-Reply-To: <001f01c1394d$ba4bf650$0200a8c0@Home.WillNet.com>
References: <001f01c1394d$ba4bf650$0200a8c0@Home.WillNet.com>
Message-ID: <20010909200354.34709882.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:37:32 -0400
"Will Nordmeyer" <will at willspc.net> wrote:

> That seems to queue the message up. then at the next minute, I get the
> following.  I assume it is the translation message going from mailman's
> mail processing routine forwarding it to the real list owner's address.
> But it doesn't work. 
> Sep  9 12:24:01 raq sendmail[19703]: MAA19703: 
> from=<NONE>, 
> size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost
> [127.0.0.1]  
> I don't understand what the problem is.  The mail never gets delivered
> to where it is supposed to.  What's my stupid mistake. I know it's mine.
> I admit it. I just don't know what it is. or how to fix it. :-)

Does you mail setup allow relaying mail through localhost?

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Sun Sep  9 23:20:33 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:20:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions question
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010909170942.012b3874@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

How should permissions be set on the following file:

'/home/mailman/lists/listname/request.db'?

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "Talk about passing the time..." 
     -Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI



From emil at iixnetworks.net  Fri Sep  7 00:54:57 2001
From: emil at iixnetworks.net (emil at iixnetworks.net)
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 05:54:57 +0700 (JAVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010906151455.00a62bd0@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010907055457.emil@iixnetworks.net>

Ben,

On 06-Sep-2001 Ben Burnett wrote:
> Emil,
> 
> This looks like a permissions issue ;)  Try running 
> /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms.
i have checked it. login with users mailman, it says no problem found
I used mailman ver 2.0.1

Thank's



From Snarg at enia.net  Sun Sep  9 12:21:05 2001
From: Snarg at enia.net (Snarg (BJ))
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 06:21:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <003401c13919$25ec66e0$8186140a@gnet.net>

When people try to send out post to my mailing list it is returned to the with the error,,,,
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  Mailinglist at projecthelpme.com
    unknown local-part "mailinglist" in domain "projecthelpme.com"

 PLEASE HELP
SNARG
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From gadys01 at netvision.net.il  Sun Sep  9 19:55:06 2001
From: gadys01 at netvision.net.il (Gady)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:55:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] foreign languages
Message-ID: <005301c13958$92146540$0e5d003e@g>

Hi,

I am building a mailing list in Hebrew.
The users' html pages are customizable and it works fine.
though I wish it would be more customizable.
The main problem is that the auto-email messages (like the
confirmation of subscription -- request) come in English and it's NOT
customizable.
Can someone give me an idea?

To members who know Hebrew and have Hebrew support on the browser,
The mailing list url is
http://ns7.u-build-it.net/mailman/listinfo/parents_metukim.co.il
(still under construction)

Thanks
Gady




From datb at cobweb.com.au  Mon Sep 10 06:50:11 2001
From: datb at cobweb.com.au (Dat Bui)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:20:11 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configurations
Message-ID: <009d01c139b4$13025120$3353190a@chariot.net.au>

Hi there, please help with my configuration problem.

I want to create a list where only a few select can post to it. This is no
problem with Mailman but if a non-priviledged user posts to the list it goes
into the "posting held for approval" section where I (the list admin)
discard all postings. Is there a way to discard all non priviledged users?

Thanks in inticipation,
Dat




From padma at bodhipines.com  Mon Sep 10 07:25:36 2001
From: padma at bodhipines.com (Fern Engle)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I install Mailman on a hosted site?
Message-ID: <004e01c139b9$07a56f60$c4f23842@sc.rr.com>

Hi,

Mailman looks like a great mailing list program.  I am working with a friend who currently has a web site hosted by Prohosting.com.  She runs a mailing list from it using EZMLM which is provided by prohosting.  The list has nearly 550 subscribers and generates 100-200 posts a day.

After reading the install procedures for Mailman I have to admit that I am not quite up to dealing with the install as of yet.  I am guessing, but I would say I am at an intermediate level of ability when it comes to installing various CGI or PHP scripts.  "Cron" has no meaning to me, alas!

I do apologize for my ineptitude, but is there any way we can use the Mailman software even though the site and mailing list is hosted by Prohosting.com?  They do have Python and I know the path.

Thank you for your kind and patience indulgence!

Fern Engle
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From selinger at idefix.s.bawue.de  Mon Sep 10 09:42:13 2001
From: selinger at idefix.s.bawue.de (Joachim F. Selinger)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:42:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding older mails to the Archives - date not used?
Message-ID: <20010910074218.24CF548897@bender.bawue.de>

Hi!

I'm using Mailman for quite some time but now, I ran into a problem.

I was trying to add a bunch of older mails run from a different mailsystem
into the archive using the mbox file and the 'arch' command. It works but
only halfway. I never get the older mails sorted into different months and
years, they all end up in the same (the current and actually only) month.
What do I have to do to get them sorted correctly by sent date?

Thanks for any help!
Jocki
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From benwa at ocentrix.com  Mon Sep 10 09:48:31 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:48:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] foreign languages
In-Reply-To: <005301c13958$92146540$0e5d003e@g>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010910003755.03610ec0@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 07:55 PM 9/9/01 +0200, Gady wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am building a mailing list in Hebrew.
>The users' html pages are customizable and it works fine.
>though I wish it would be more customizable.
>The main problem is that the auto-email messages (like the
>confirmation of subscription -- request) come in English and it's NOT
>customizable.
>Can someone give me an idea?

Greetings,

You should post a message to the mailman-i18n at python.org mailing 
list.  That is the list where different language packs for Mailman are 
being discussed.

Mailman-i18n mailing list
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-i18n

I haven't seen anyone posting there about Hebrew specifically, but I do 
know that there are some people on the list that can help you find all the 
little bits that need translating.  For starters however you can change a 
lot of the text that Mailman sends out in it's auto reply email by editing 
all of the files in the templates directory.  Some of these files are used 
as templates for the list specific html pages that you can edit through 
each lists admin interface.  Changing them will only affect the lists you 
make after the changes are made, so this might be a good way to avoid 
translating them each time you make a list.  The rest of the templates are 
files that are sent out at different times to various people by 
Mailman.  These ones are shared by all of the lists so if you change them 
they'll affect all lists no matter when they are created.  If you read each 
of the files it should be pretty evident when they are sent out and what 
they are for even if the name isn't all that clear.

Good luck,

Ben




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Mon Sep 10 09:55:38 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configurations
In-Reply-To: <009d01c139b4$13025120$3353190a@chariot.net.au>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010910005059.00a15110@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 02:20 PM 9/10/01 +0930, Dat Bui wrote:
>Hi there, please help with my configuration problem.
>
>I want to create a list where only a few select can post to it. This is no
>problem with Mailman but if a non-priviledged user posts to the list it goes
>into the "posting held for approval" section where I (the list admin)
>discard all postings. Is there a way to discard all non priviledged users?

Currently (ver. <= 2.0.6) there is no way to automatically do this.  It is 
however an FAQ and if you search the archives at search.python.org you may 
find a patch, solution, or other interesting answer.

http://search.python.org/query.html?col=lists&ht=0&qp=&qt=auto+reject+held+mailman+non-member&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=0&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=1

Good luck,

Ben




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Mon Sep 10 09:59:12 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:59:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I install Mailman on a hosted site?
In-Reply-To: <004e01c139b9$07a56f60$c4f23842@sc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010910005630.00a0c2f0@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 01:25 AM 9/10/01 -0400, Fern Engle wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Mailman looks like a great mailing list program.  I am working with a 
>friend who currently has a web site hosted by Prohosting.com.  She runs a 
>mailing list from it using EZMLM which is provided by prohosting.  The 
>list has nearly 550 subscribers and generates 100-200 posts a day.
>
>After reading the install procedures for Mailman I have to admit that I am 
>not quite up to dealing with the install as of yet.  I am guessing, but I 
>would say I am at an intermediate level of ability when it comes to 
>installing various CGI or PHP scripts.  "Cron" has no meaning to me, alas!
>
>I do apologize for my ineptitude, but is there any way we can use the 
>Mailman software even though the site and mailing list is hosted by 
>Prohosting.com?  They do have Python and I know the path.

There are some hosting providers that will allow you to install and run a 
system like Mailman.
This question is, however, better directed to Prohosting.com.  If they 
won't do it I know there are readers of this list who would host a list for 
you.  If you ask nicely and greenly : )

Good luck,

Ben




From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Mon Sep 10 10:44:54 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 10 Sep 2001 09:44:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Hide Sender" option
In-Reply-To: <p05101011b7bfdf44b9f0@[192.168.123.171]>
References: <p05101011b7bfdf44b9f0@[192.168.123.171]>
Message-ID: <1000111499.1483.2.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Sat, 2001-09-08 at 15:45, Derek Balling wrote:
> When mailman goes through the effort of "hiding" the sender, it 
> strips out the Sender,Reply-To,From, etc.
> 
> It DOESN'T, though, strip out the RECEIVED headers, allowing it to 
> point right back at the sender. :-/
> 
> Is there any easy way (for a non-python-enabled user) to add this 
> level of anonymity?

Nope.
You also need to be aware that in general *removing* received headers is
a bad idea - they tend to be used as the last ditch failsafe against
mail loops.   You could probably edit them into absolute bare minimum
form with anonymised data - however you need to save them somewhere
because at some point there will be a mail problem where you need those
original received headers to diagnose.

	Nigel.





From dredd at megacity.org  Mon Sep 10 15:37:14 2001
From: dredd at megacity.org (Derek Balling)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 06:37:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Hide Sender" option
In-Reply-To: <1000111499.1483.2.camel@gaspode.localnet>
References: <p05101011b7bfdf44b9f0@[192.168.123.171]>
 <1000111499.1483.2.camel@gaspode.localnet>
Message-ID: <p05101003b7c272402cbb@[192.168.123.171]>

At 9:44 AM +0100 9/10/01, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
>On Sat, 2001-09-08 at 15:45, Derek Balling wrote:
>>  When mailman goes through the effort of "hiding" the sender, it
>>  strips out the Sender,Reply-To,From, etc.
>>
>>  It DOESN'T, though, strip out the RECEIVED headers, allowing it to
>>  point right back at the sender. :-/
>>
>>  Is there any easy way (for a non-python-enabled user) to add this
>>  level of anonymity?
>
>Nope.
>You also need to be aware that in general *removing* received headers is
>a bad idea - they tend to be used as the last ditch failsafe against
>mail loops.   You could probably edit them into absolute bare minimum
>form with anonymised data - however you need to save them somewhere
>because at some point there will be a mail problem where you need those
>original received headers to diagnose.

I could live with the mail loops (since I know the small crew 
involved, and know that's not likely to happen that they'll be 
looping the mail BACK to the list), but it seems disingenuous to call 
it "hide sender" when to really doesn't do that very well. :)

D

-- 
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| dredd at megacity.org  | "Conan! What is best in life?"          |
|  Derek J. Balling   | "To crush your enemies, see them        |
|                     |    driven before you, and to hear the   |
|                     |    lamentation of their women!"         |
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+



From donal.hunt at dcu.ie  Mon Sep 10 15:49:19 2001
From: donal.hunt at dcu.ie (Donal Hunt)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:49:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configurations
References: <E15gLoV-00024p-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3B9CC4DF.76F316B9@dcu.ie>

Dat,

I few months ago I wrote a python script to do just that.  Have a look
through the archives for "clear_requests" or something similar.

Regards

Donal
--Sysops--
DCU

>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] configurations
> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:20:11 +0930
> From: "Dat Bui" <datb at cobweb.com.au>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> 
> Hi there, please help with my configuration problem.
> 
> I want to create a list where only a few select can post to it. This
> is no
> problem with Mailman but if a non-priviledged user posts to the list
> it goes
> into the "posting held for approval" section where I (the list admin)
> discard all postings. Is there a way to discard all non priviledged
> users?
> 
> Thanks in inticipation,
> Dat
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------



From donal.hunt at dcu.ie  Mon Sep 10 15:50:45 2001
From: donal.hunt at dcu.ie (Donal Hunt)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:50:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions question
Message-ID: <3B9CC535.4ACC68DE@dcu.ie>

Jonathon,

On my Mailman 2.0 and 2.0.2 installs the request.db permissions are:

-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        2 Sep  9 17:08 request.db

Regards

Donal
--Sysops--
DCU

> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions question
> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:20:33 -0400
> From: Jonathan Andrew Sheen <jsheen at leviathanstudios.com>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> 
> How should permissions be set on the following file:
> 
> '/home/mailman/lists/listname/request.db'?
> 
> Jonathan Andrew Sheen
> 
> http://www.leviathanstudios.com
> Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
> jsheen at leviathanstudios.com
> 
>      "Talk about passing the time..."
>      -Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------



From gwhite78 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 10 17:08:43 2001
From: gwhite78 at hotmail.com (GINA WHITE)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:08:43 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <F65yR30nuhHR2k6R6WY0000f0d2@hotmail.com>

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From thorson at metlogic.com  Mon Sep 10 20:28:50 2001
From: thorson at metlogic.com (Bill Thorson)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:28:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains on Redhat 7.x
Message-ID: <3B9D0662.5050308@metlogic.com>

I'm very new to mailman so could use some good advice.
I've got mailman working on Redhat 7.1 hosting multiple
domains.  After reading many previous messages it seems
my approach is much different from most of the others
and doesn't suffer from some of their shortcomings.

This installation seems to be working well.  I have
written up the procedures and would like you experts
to take a look.  I'm not sure my approach is either
proper or secure.

	http://metlogic.com/virtual/mailman.html

Please let me know what you think.

Bill




From padma at bodhipines.com  Mon Sep 10 07:05:03 2001
From: padma at bodhipines.com (Fern Engle)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:05:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I install Mailman on a hosted site
Message-ID: <000a01c139b6$27982cc0$c4f23842@sc.rr.com>

Hi,

Mailman looks like a great mailing list program.  I am working with a friend who currently has a web site hosted by Prohosting.com.  She runs a mailing list from it using EZMLM which is provided by prohosting.  The list has nearly 550 subscribers and generates 100-200 posts a day.

After reading the install procedures for Mailman I have to admit that I am not quite up to dealing with the install.  I am guessing but I would say I am at an intermediate level of ability when it comes to installing various CGI or PHP scripts.  "Cron" has no meaning to me, alas!

I do apologize for my ineptitude, but is there any way we can use the Mailman software even though the site and mailing list is hosted by Prohosting.com?

Thank you for your kind and patience indulgence!

Fern Engle
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From este4 at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 10 14:47:58 2001
From: este4 at earthlink.net (Joe Aaron Este)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:47:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] looking to run your software
Message-ID: <4.1.20010910084313.03c5ecb0@mail.earthlink.net>

i  own a fairly popular site called wigsalon.com - we sell wigs

mailing list size about 10,000  readying for 20,000

i was about to buy a program called mailer mailer

when my son who SQL programs my site in NYC said that you had the best product
but it ran in UNIX or some code or computer  that i did not have

he said i should get in touch with a company that uses your product 
and resells it in a user-friendly format i guess

can you please send me a list of such companies ..if they exist ???

or give me some advice

thanks


Joe Aaron Este
Internet Director
Paris Boutique Wig Salon
URL: <http://www.wigsalon.com/>www.wigsalon.com
email: info at wigsalon.com
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From jaco at xs4all.nl  Mon Sep 10 20:21:35 2001
From: jaco at xs4all.nl (Jaco Lockhorst)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:21:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk/ Announce question
Message-ID: <744472501.20010910202135@xs4all.nl>

Every month we send out a dutch ezine with 30.000 subscribers
(www.smallzine.nl). We are currently using Lyris Listmanager (lyris.com) to
manage this bulk mailing. Actually we are paying a company that has a Lyris
license. We are considering to use Mailman, because it is cheaper and may be
better. I know there has been discussion about using Mailman for announcement
lists. I know how to set the 'Privacy Options'. However I have some additional
questions.

The advantage of Lyris is that it will try again to send the same message if
that initially fails and it seems sensible to retry. Lyris uses a built-in mail
server. It will try several times with for example an hour interval to deliver a
message. This means a provider with a temporary mailserverproblem does not
create a problem for the subscribers using that provider. They will only get
their ezine email a bit later.

>From the Mailman manual I learnt Mailman has good bounce handling options too.
However decisions to unsubscribe seem to be based on the number of days or
messages in sequence that were bounced. This is not effective for an ezine. Most
ezines only sent out one message per week/month and are serious about making
sure those few messages get delivered to all subscribers.

The second issue that concerns us is the list of subscribers. It would be a
disaster if spammers got this list with 30.000 subscribers. I think you need to
get root access to see the Mailman subscribers list. However, hackers do get
root access sometimes and it would be better if the list was also encrypted. As
ezines/announcementlists only send out a few messages it is no problem to type
the decryption password at these moments.

Maybe with a few additional features -as suggested above- Mailman can also help
the users in the announcement / ezine category. Finally we would like to know if
there are large ezines that use Mailman and how they like it.

Jaco





From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Mon Sep 10 23:56:01 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:56:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk/ Announce question
In-Reply-To: <744472501.20010910202135@xs4all.nl>
References: <744472501.20010910202135@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20010910235601.32f44895.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

Hi,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:21:35 +0200
Jaco Lockhorst <jaco at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Bounce Handling

Since Mailman hands the messages over to the MTA on the localhost and it's
standard procedure for a MTA to try redeliver a message for a certain
period of time, I don't see much difference... Unless Lyris tries to
redeliver even when it gets "mailbox not found" errors? Which would seem
kinda odd to me...

> However decisions to unsubscribe seem to be based on the number of days
> or messages in sequence that were bounced. This is not effective for an
> ezine. Most ezines only sent out one message per week/month and are
serious > about making sure those few messages get delivered to all
subscribers.

You can tweak with the timing if that's what you want... though it's the
MTA's job to try to redeliver messages (if you want your MTA to keep
trying more often and/or for a longer period I'm sure it's possible to
configure that)

> The second issue that concerns us is the list of subscribers. It would
> be a disaster if spammers got this list with 30.000 subscribers. I think
you
> need to get root access to see the Mailman subscribers list. 

If you have the listadmin password you can get it through the webui
(though not directly download it)

> However, hackers do get root access sometimes and it would be better if
the
> list was also encrypted. 

That's kind of a weird way of looking at system security... if your data
is that secret, you'd better prevent root access from the 'net
altogether... If your system gets comprimised I'd be worried about more
than just the subscriberslist.

> Maybe with a few additional features -as suggested above- Mailman can
> also help the users in the announcement / ezine category. 

For a real specific setup you might need to make some changes...
I believe the new 2.1 code will have some more specific announce list
options, but it won't include everything you wish... but then, the source
is available :)

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo



From donfede at casagrau.org  Tue Sep 11 07:11:27 2001
From: donfede at casagrau.org (Federico Grau)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:11:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Files are missing in cgi-bin
In-Reply-To: <200109081646.SAA99177@commando.mobilixnet.dk>; from seebach@mobilixnet.dk on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 06:46:41PM +0200
References: <200109081646.SAA99177@commando.mobilixnet.dk>
Message-ID: <20010911011127.E17705@casagrau.org>

On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 06:46:41PM +0200, Martin Seebach wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have spend most of the day trying to get mailman to work on my Debian-Potato server. Everything seems go fine, and I can create a new list using newlist etc. but the cgi-bin directory is empty except for a file, "-data". What could I hvae done wrong to get this error?
> 
> Best regards,
> Martin Seebach

hi Marting,

when you say files are missing, do you mean from the web interface or in the
actual directory list.  it worked pretty much straight out of the box on
potato for me.  Below are the only apache(ssl) edits we needed to make:

    ### in srm.conf, added
    Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

    Alias /mailman/private/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/


    ### in access.conf, added (instead of having users type out full path)
    # Redirect main (plaintext) page to plaintext mailman site
    RedirectMatch permanent ^/$ https://mailman.epic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/

/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman is a softlink to /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin (yeah
sounds confusing but it makes sense if you think about it :-D) and that
directory has the following files in it:
    donfede at mailman:/etc/apache-ssl$ ls -l /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
    total 80
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5332 May 29  2000 admin
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 admindb
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 archives
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 edithtml
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5344 May 29  2000 handle_opts
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 listinfo
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 options
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 private
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5332 May 29  2000 roster
    -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5340 May 29  2000 subscribe

any more details on your config/problem?
donfede






From donfede at casagrau.org  Tue Sep 11 07:48:38 2001
From: donfede at casagrau.org (Federico Grau)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and privacy
Message-ID: <20010911014838.B17950@casagrau.org>

Hi folks,

We have an announcement mailing list (happens to be rather large, 16k) running
on debian potato / mailman 1.1.  We have sent out a couple mailings and so far
its worked ok, were still ironing out some kinks here and there.  

However, we are concerned with the privacy of the subscribers.  We initially
noticed that anyone could see 1) if a user was subscribed 2) if they happened
to be on vacation (or some other user option) simply by visiting the default
list page and entering the users email... it is not until the user tries to
make changes that their password is requested.

Potentially someone could try random addresses, or addresses of people they
were targeting, to see if they happened to be subscribed or not.

We temporarily "bypassed" that problem by removing the option for a user to
view/change their options from the web.  

However, now we realize that simply trying to subscribe to an email return
back that X user is already subscribed to the list!  Again, someone could
enter random or targeted addresses to see if people are subscribed or not.

I have yet to do a full round of research on my own, but as this issue is
getting hot under my seat I was wondering if people on the list had
constructive feedback?

thanks,
donfede




From Colin.Spier at pipinghotnetworks.com  Tue Sep 11 12:43:45 2001
From: Colin.Spier at pipinghotnetworks.com (Colin Spier)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:43:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outlook Meeting Requests
Message-ID: <NDBBLCPHGLOPOCELHCIHIEENCKAA.Colin.Spier@pipinghotnetworks.com>

Hi,

We're running Mailman 2.0.5 and everything is fine except that Outlook
meeting requests don't work when sent through a mailing list - instead of
showing a meeting request message, Outlook shows a text message that
apparently contains all the meeting request info, e.g.

    BEGIN:VCALENDAR
    PRODID:-//Microsoft, Corporation//Outlook 9.0 MIMEDIR//EN
    VERSION:2.0
    METHOD:REQUEST
    BEGIN:VEVENT

I know this serves us right for using Outlook, and that it's probably an
Outlook bug.  I just wonder if anyone has identified a fix/workaround for
this problem?

Thanks in advance,

Colin
--
Colin Spier
PipingHot Networks Ltd.
mailto://colin.spier at pipinghotnetworks.com
http://www.pipinghotnetworks.com






From cassio at tudodebom.com.br  Tue Sep 11 16:22:30 2001
From: cassio at tudodebom.com.br (Cassio O. Camilo)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:22:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AJUDA
Message-ID: <1000218150.3b9e1e265cb2b@webmail.tudodebom.com.br>

Ola lista, estou tentando instalar o mailman em meu servidor, porem recebo a 
seguinte mensagem quando tento enviar um email para a lista: 
"unknow mailer error 1". Gostaria de saber o que devo fazer. Obrigado.

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From nb at thinkcoach.com  Tue Sep 11 16:59:03 2001
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:59:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I install Mailman on a hosted site
In-Reply-To: <000a01c139b6$27982cc0$c4f23842@sc.rr.com> (padma@bodhipines.com)
References: <000a01c139b6$27982cc0$c4f23842@sc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200109111459.f8BEx3a07699@quill.local>

> Mailman looks like a great mailing list program.  I am working with a =
> friend who currently has a web site hosted by Prohosting.com.  She runs =
> a mailing list from it using EZMLM which is provided by prohosting.

This implies that prohosting is using Qmail as MTA.  That is
good news, because it means that you don't need root access
in order to install Mailman.

> I do apologize for my ineptitude, but is there any way we can use the =
> Mailman software even though the site and mailing list is hosted by =
> Prohosting.com?

If you have shell access to the server, then the answer is yes.

<Shameless_Plug>
Contact me off-list if you're looking for someone who can set
this up for you, for a reasonable fee.
</Shameless_Plug>

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
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Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com  Tue Sep 11 17:38:30 2001
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:38:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists don't show up
Message-ID: <20010911173830.B7857@innominate.com>

I have an interesting problem: Although almost all lists on 
http://www.innominate.org/mailman/listinfo
are public, I only get to see the one you see now.

Also, on the http://www.innominate.org/mailman/admin, one also just
sees those three lists, but there are still e.g.

http://www.innominate.org/mailman/listinfo/avcheck

This problem was there with version 2.1a3 and version 2.0.5 of mailman.

-- 
Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com                           innominate AG
+49.(0)30.308806-62  fax: -77                         networking people
The same people that tell you that a Linux program is as good as a
WinNT program would also tell you it's better to wipe your ass with a
belt sander instead of toilet paper. I can hear them now -- "It may
not look as good but it's faster and does a more thorough job!  






From arandall at auntminnie.com  Tue Sep 11 17:56:29 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:56:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman filtering problem
References: <OF491EFF1A.22600E0F-ON48256AC2.000F00BD@asiandevbank.org>
Message-ID: <3B9E342D.1ED205EF@auntminnie.com>

Allan,

You must have misinterpreted my mail - I'm not using spamdetect.py to
filter my mail. I do have some familiarity with using regexp's to
filter mail based on sender, subject, body, or a combination of the
above, although it's not going to help you much in this particular
instance - what you need is not a list of regular expressions to help
you weed out crap, but assistance in editing the Python file itself.
::shrug:: Sorry ... maybe someone else on the list can offer some
advice.

Thanks,
=)
Amanda


Allan Garcia wrote:

>
> hello,
> ive seen through your post regarding blocking a certain body of the
> message from not propagating to the list. ive edited the
> Spamdetect.py and let it recreate it and still i can't block the
> message that has the out of the office expression. below is my
> Spamdetect.py file and hope you can shed light to my problem. btw
> when i changed it to subject, then it can block an email that has
> the subject i will be out of the office in it.
>
> KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('None', 'i will be out of the office')]
>
>
> ^L
> def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
>     if msgdata.get('approved'):
>         return
>     for header, regex in KNOWN_SPAMMERS:
>         cre = re.compile(regex, re.IGNORECASE)
>         if header is None:
>                 text = msg.body
>         else:
>             text = msg.get(header)
>             if not text:
>                 continue
>         mo = cre.search(text)
>         if mo:
>             # we've detected spam, so throw the message away
>             raise SpamDetected
>
>
>
> regards,
> allan
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From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Tue Sep 11 18:12:31 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:12:31 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem to gate_news
Message-ID: <20010911131231.5aec6574.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>

Since some minutes ago I am receiving these reports form the cron daemon:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 232, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 213, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 147, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 83, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 999, in Load
    raise Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError, e
Mailman.Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseError: bad marshal data


Can you give me some idea to fix this problem?



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From sbrooks at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 11 18:49:48 2001
From: sbrooks at earthlink.net (Sam Brooks)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:49:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I install Mailman on a hosted site/Reply
References: <000a01c139b6$27982cc0$c4f23842@sc.rr.com> <200109111459.f8BEx3a07699@quill.local>
Message-ID: <001401c13ae1$c60edd00$f892b3d1@oemcomputer>

"Norbert Bollow" <nb at thinkcoach.com> said;

> <Shameless_Plug>
> Contact me off-list if you're looking for someone who can set
> this up for you, for a reasonable fee.
> </Shameless_Plug>

Reply;

A "shameless" endorsement for Mr Bollow.

He set up my mailman listserver at alist4u.com.
The man is a veritable mailman "guru."
His service/expertise is excellent and
his fees are more than reasonable.
Very happy in all respects. :-)

Sam Brooks
mailman-owner at alist4u.com
http://www.alist4u.com






From omar at colnodo.apc.org  Tue Sep 11 19:17:27 2001
From: omar at colnodo.apc.org (Omar F. Martinez)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:17:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordom2mailman
References: <OF491EFF1A.22600E0F-ON48256AC2.000F00BD@asiandevbank.org> <3B9E342D.1ED205EF@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <00df01c13ae5$a2182e20$021619c8@colnodo.org.co>

Hello..

Exists any tool to migrate my majordom-list to mailman?

Thanks!

Omar Martinez
Soporte Tecnico - Colnodo
http://www.colnodo.org.co
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From arandall at auntminnie.com  Tue Sep 11 20:20:36 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:20:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not sending mail...
References: <001f01c1394d$ba4bf650$0200a8c0@Home.WillNet.com>
Message-ID: <3B9E55F4.F6CA3946@auntminnie.com>

Hi Will,

I dunno if someone has answered your questions or not... As a further
disclaimer, I don't do sendmail for unixlike entities, and consider it
to be more closely related to voodoo than system administration ...
Having said that, I will toss out some random spaghetti and see if
anything sticks. :-)

Is your mailing list admin's email address local to the Mailman box,
or elsewhere?
And if it's remote... Are you able to remotely send and receive mail
to/from your mail accounts on that box? (for example, can you pop your
mail successfully?)
And if you don't have a pop server running, I'm betting if you
installed one, you might have the same problem, and you just might get
a message telling you "Relaying is not allowed" or some such bargle
...
in which case, you might want to look at the hosts.allow - or the
equivalent thereof on your system, depending on whether or not you're
using tcpd - and see what your settings are there. I had some rather
bizarre funkiness that made it silently accept "localhost" (its
installed default in my case) with no whining whatsoever, but would
not actually allow any mail via mailman or remote users, unless I
explicitly set it to 127.0.0.1. Which is precisely the opposite of
what it says in my trusty little book here, but hey, docs in the Linux
world so far have proved to be excellent doorstops and monitor
elevation devices... Anyway, that miraculously solved both the
problems with Mailman and the intermittent wackiness with my POP
server.

Your mileage may vary.... let me know if it helps you, though ...

=)
Amanda


Will Nordmeyer wrote:

> I think if I get THIS fixed, I JUST MIGHT have mailman up &
> running
So PLEASE
 if anyone can help
I would be soooo grateful

>
> I?m on my Cobalt RAQ3

>
> Sendmail V8.9.3.
>
> Mailman V2.0.6
>
> mm_wrapper is a link in the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory pointing over
> to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
>
> When I send mail to mytest-admin, here?s what appears in the
> maillog

>
> Sep9 12:23:51 raq sendmail[19675]: MAA19675:
>
> from=admin, size=55, class=0, pri=30055, nrcpts=1,
>
> msgid=<200109091623.MAA19675 at raq.willspc.net>,
>
> relay=admin at localhost
>
> Sep9 12:23:52 raq sendmail[19677]: MAA19675:
>
> to="|mm_wrapper mailowner mytest",
>
> delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
>
> That seems to queue the message up
 then at the next minute, I get
> the following.I assume it is the translation message going from
> mailman?s mail processing routine forwarding it to the real list
> owner?s address
But it doesn?t work

>
> Sep9 12:24:01 raq sendmail[19703]: MAA19703:
>
> from=<NONE>,
>
> size=0, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost
> [127.0.0.1]
>
> I don?t understand what the problem is
The mail never gets delivered
> to where it is supposed to.What?s my stupid mistake
 I know it?s
> mine
 I admit it
 I just don?t know what it is
 or how to fix it. J
>
> --Will
>




From omar at colnodo.apc.org  Tue Sep 11 21:11:48 2001
From: omar at colnodo.apc.org (Omar F. Martinez)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordom2mailman
Message-ID: <002101c13af5$9b401030$021619c8@colnodo.org.co>

Hello..

Exists any tool to migrate my majordom-list to mailman?

Thanks!

Omar Martinez
Soporte Tecnico - Colnodo
http://www.colnodo.org.co




From mike at grouse.net.au  Wed Sep 12 08:59:25 2001
From: mike at grouse.net.au (Mike Barnes)
Date: 12 Sep 2001 16:59:25 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists to a new server
Message-ID: <1000277985.14965.21.camel@bag-of-chickens>

I have a slight problem with an installation/upgrade.

The nutshell version is that the whole setup was packed up and moved
from server A to server B, and upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0.6 in the
process. Everything went OK except for one small thing.

The base path of the installation changed from /localhome/mailman to
/var/mailman and while we're mostly functional there are errors cropping
up related to the archive paths. After doing some digging and a couple
of recursive greps, I've discovered there is a reference to
/localhome/mailman kept in the config.db file under lists/listname.

If I put in a symlink from /localhome/mailman to /var/mailman, no
errors. A newly created list has no problems.

So - what's the format of that db file, anyway? I know bugger all about
Python, so I'm not getting much from flipping through the source. Why is
there a field in there that can't be edited from the admin tools? Why
does it need the path from a config file for an individual list when it
should surely pull it from a common config?

(I feel like a three year old  ... why, why, why? Sorry.)

Anyway - I have about 30 lists to deal with, so if someone could suggest
a solution for me, I'd be a much happier person. :)

Thanks,
Mike.







From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Sep 12 09:08:35 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:08:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists to a new server
References: <1000277985.14965.21.camel@bag-of-chickens>
Message-ID: <3B9F09F3.F7BE1AB6@pcraft.com>

Mike Barnes wrote:

> The base path of the installation changed from /localhome/mailman to
> /var/mailman and while we're mostly functional there are errors cropping
> up related to the archive paths. After doing some digging and a couple
> of recursive greps, I've discovered there is a reference to
> /localhome/mailman kept in the config.db file under lists/listname.

	This is what ./bin/move_list is for:

	./bin/move_list -h

Move a list to a new directory.

What this really does is just update the three archive list attributes
public_archive_file_dir, private_archive_file_dir, and archive_directory
by
recalculating them based on the new Defaults.  It then saves the list.

Usage:
    move_list [options] listname

Options:
    --help
    -h
        Print this help message and exit.

listname must be a valid mailing list name and is required.



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From mike at grouse.net.au  Wed Sep 12 12:27:02 2001
From: mike at grouse.net.au (Mike Barnes)
Date: 12 Sep 2001 20:27:02 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists to a new server
In-Reply-To: <3B9F09F3.F7BE1AB6@pcraft.com>
References: <1000277985.14965.21.camel@bag-of-chickens> 
	<3B9F09F3.F7BE1AB6@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <1000290442.14965.35.camel@bag-of-chickens>

> 	This is what ./bin/move_list is for:

Thanks very much for the pointer.

Might I humbly suggest to the powers that be that this be casually
mentioned in the UPGRADING document? It's not really an upgrade issue as
such, but the rest of the text in that document implies that there's not
much to deal with when upgrading, and I figured using a fresh copy while
leaving the working install alone would be a sensible thing.

I really expected that since I was supplying a prefix during the
install, that such things would be dealt with during the upgrade.

Anyway, all is well now - so thanks again.

Mike.





From valankar at mmdmedical.com  Wed Sep 12 17:11:05 2001
From: valankar at mmdmedical.com (Lord Valankar)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:11:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Problem - host name
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109121101380.20122-100000@anhur.mmdmedical.com>

Hello all,
	Hopefully this will be an easy question. When I installed Mailman
on our server the admin page incorrectly lists the host as
anhur.mmdmedical.com (this is the host name, but not the name needed for
mail which should be just mmdmedical.com)
	I've corrected this for the test list I created using the web
admin interface buy seting the host name with no trouble but when I try to
set it in the $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py it has no effect. and still lists
the link for the mailman owner as mailman-owner at anhur.mmdmedical.com (This
link won't work due to the way I have mail set up. it needs to be
mailman-owner at mmdmedical.com)
	Do I need to recompile again after changing this somewhere else or
am I just needing someone to hit me on the forhead with another clue by
four }:8>

	Thanks in advance!
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From bestb at lao.on.ca  Wed Sep 12 21:51:10 2001
From: bestb at lao.on.ca (Bruce Best (CRO))
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Bulk" subscriptions
Message-ID: <55675C2D7AA8D411A94500508B66062D0123D170@cheetah>

I notice that in the Mailman admin pages, it is simple to subscribe many
email addresses to a single list. Is it similarly possible to easily
subscribe (or unsubscribe, or make other admin changes to) a single email to
many lists?

This has to do with migrating from Majordomo. We manage 12 lists, and had
set up a web form subscription page, and generally subscribers belong to all
12 lists. In most cases, if a subscriber wanted to make changes, they would
want to make the same changes to every list. It would be redundant and
annoying for them to have to visit 12 separate webpages, to enter their
password 12 times, to make an administrative change (to put 12 separate
lists on "hold" during vacation, for instance), when they used to be able to
do that from one single web page, with one "click". I would really like to
avoid adding this inconvenience. I haven't been able to figure out how to
implement this in Mailman.

Again, any suggestions would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Bruce




From donaven at scseaside.com  Thu Sep 13 00:43:55 2001
From: donaven at scseaside.com (Donaven Staab)
Date: 12 Sep 2001 15:43:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Will Mailman do this?
Message-ID: <935670584donaven@scseaside.com>

Thank you for your time with this.

I have just lost a hosting account service that allowed my company to e-mail information updates to a large list of subscribers and I need to replace that service.

I have since started a new hosting account and am looking to install software that could supply the service of emailing securely to a large list from one individual.

The subscribers need to be able to unsubscribe and subscribe from a web page form. I also need to be able to add my current list (2500 addresses) to this system.

What I've been able to read about Mailman does not answer my question and I feel that is it more of a "digest" application. I do still think that with the right settings and interface is could do as an bulk e-mail notification tool. Subscribers do not reply to the list. They reply only to the sender.

Will Mailman do this?

Thank you again for your time and I'd appreciate any input or recommendations.
I'm running Apache on Solaris.

Kindest Regards,
Donaven Staab
Web Master
Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk




From jm at netconcepts.com  Thu Sep 13 01:21:48 2001
From: jm at netconcepts.com (Jason Morehouse)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:21:48 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User & password export
In-Reply-To: <E15hJHY-0000dq-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109131119570.8672-100000@jm.netconcepts.com>

Are there any scripts that allow me to dump a list of users and
passwords?  I've checked out the list_member script, but because I've
rarely worked with python, there isn't much I could make from in.

Thanks in advance,
-Jason

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From bram at nip.be  Thu Sep 13 01:39:13 2001
From: bram at nip.be ([NIP] Bram)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:39:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID
Message-ID: <006201c13be4$242129e0$0500000a@voyager>

Hi,

I guess this question has been asked a lot, but I've tried all the
possible solutions I could find in the archive and none of them fixed my
problem. Every time the wrapper gets invoked from sendmail, it returns
this to the maillog:

---
Sep 13 01:31:36 dell sendmail[24530]: f8CNVaJ24530: from=<***@***>,
size=1636, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<005d01c13be3$31a49850$0500000a at voyager>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
relay=pop3.***.be [195.130.132.40]
Sep 13 01:31:37 dell sendmail[24531]: f8CNVaJ24530:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system",
ctladdr=<nip-system-admin@***.***> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30977, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
---

So far, everything is okay. But, the mail never arrived. So I thought,
let's run "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system" manually:

$ /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 1012.  (Reconfigure to
take 1012?)

Now I'm in doubt... I do a "make clean" and then I configure with:
- --with-mail-gid
- --with-cgi-gid

?

I've reconfigured about 20 times now and I already got it to see "gid
1012" (which is the group of the actual wrapper), but now I'm a bit
affraid to have to start all over again (and I really mean: 'again').

So, what do I do next?

I'm logged in as the mailman user on a Red Hat Linux system with
Sendmail as MTA (shame on me).

Thanks!

Bram
http://brammeke.net .. ICQ 5960864





From Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com  Thu Sep 13 10:00:51 2001
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:00:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists don't show up
In-Reply-To: <20010911173830.B7857@innominate.com>
References: <20010911173830.B7857@innominate.com>
Message-ID: <20010913100051.K19796@innominate.com>

On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:38:30PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
> I have an interesting problem: Although almost all lists on 
> http://www.innominate.org/mailman/listinfo
> are public, I only get to see the one you see now.
> 
> Also, on the http://www.innominate.org/mailman/admin, one also just
> sees those three lists, but there are still e.g.
> 
> http://www.innominate.org/mailman/listinfo/avcheck
> 
> This problem was there with version 2.1a3 and version 2.0.5 of mailman.

Problem solved: If I use http://innominate.org/mailman/listinfo, all
the lists show up.

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one letter at once and has to go looking for a grownup whenever it
wants to deliver to mail to other towns. Often opens parcels to look
for shiney things inside then just delivers the wrapping paper onwards. 





From kachel at muenster.de  Thu Sep 13 10:33:30 2001
From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:33:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Will Mailman do this?
In-Reply-To: <935670584donaven@scseaside.com>
References: <935670584donaven@scseaside.com>
Message-ID: <1722826263.20010913103330@muenster.de>

Hello Donaven,

On Thursday, September 13, 2001, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] Will Mailman do this?

> I have since started a new hosting account and am looking to install
> software that could supply the service of emailing securely to a
> large list from one individual.

first of all your hoster must have Phyton installed, it isn't working
without it. There are 2 ways to do, what you wanted. first is to let
only one address write to the list. But if someone is spoofing your
mail-address, he could send to the list, too. Second ist more secure.
you set up a moderated list and approve all of your postings over the
website of mailman.

> The subscribers need to be able to unsubscribe and subscribe from a
> web page form. I also need to be able to add my current list (2500
> addresses) to this system.

That is a built-in function of mailman and there are other options,
that can be set (i.e. turn off delivery temporarily for vacation).
There is a mass subscribing-field on the admin pages for your list
where you can subscribe all your old addresses. Or you can use the
add_members at the command line. It is more advanced and can send a
second message that informs your subscribers that you are running a
new software and that there are some changes.

> What I've been able to read about Mailman does not answer my
> question and I feel that is it more of a "digest" application. I do
> still think that with the right settings and interface is could do
> as an bulk e-mail notification tool. Subscribers do not reply to the
> list. They reply only to the sender.

No, Mailman is a mailing list robot with digest and archiving
functionality. I'm hosting two announcement lists and three discussion
list here and they are running fine.

Bye
Markus

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From will at willspc.net  Thu Sep 13 18:17:11 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:17:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID
References: <006201c13be4$242129e0$0500000a@voyager>
Message-ID: <013f01c13c6f$8cb9fc80$6701d50a@mackerel>

Bram,

Here's somethings I did...
1)  Do the install --with-mail-gid=12.
2)  make a link to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper  in the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory.  (at least that's where it was on mine).  If a wrapper link exists, change the name of this one to something else.
3)  Take the /home/mailman/mail info directory specifier out of the aliases file. Make the wrapper call match whatever the link in 2 is.  No directory qualifier.
4)  Run New Aliases.



After doing that...  it finally did start working for me...  

--Will



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: [NIP] Bram 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:39 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID


  Hi,

  I guess this question has been asked a lot, but I've tried all the
  possible solutions I could find in the archive and none of them fixed my
  problem. Every time the wrapper gets invoked from sendmail, it returns
  this to the maillog:

  ---
  Sep 13 01:31:36 dell sendmail[24530]: f8CNVaJ24530: from=<***@***>,
  size=1636, class=0, nrcpts=1,
  msgid=<005d01c13be3$31a49850$0500000a at voyager>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
  relay=pop3.***.be [195.130.132.40]
  Sep 13 01:31:37 dell sendmail[24531]: f8CNVaJ24530:
  to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system",
  ctladdr=<nip-system-admin@***.***> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
  xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30977, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
  ---

  So far, everything is okay. But, the mail never arrived. So I thought,
  let's run "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system" manually:

  $ /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system
  Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 1012.  (Reconfigure to
  take 1012?)

  Now I'm in doubt... I do a "make clean" and then I configure with:
  - --with-mail-gid
  - --with-cgi-gid

  ?

  I've reconfigured about 20 times now and I already got it to see "gid
  1012" (which is the group of the actual wrapper), but now I'm a bit
  affraid to have to start all over again (and I really mean: 'again').

  So, what do I do next?

  I'm logged in as the mailman user on a Red Hat Linux system with
  Sendmail as MTA (shame on me).

  Thanks!

  Bram
  http://brammeke.net .. ICQ 5960864




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From pmedina at mardelhosting.com  Thu Sep 13 18:20:42 2001
From: pmedina at mardelhosting.com (Pablo E. Medina)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:20:42 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID
References: <006201c13be4$242129e0$0500000a@voyager> <013f01c13c6f$8cb9fc80$6701d50a@mackerel>
Message-ID: <019a01c13c70$0f97e0e0$6c8a3fc8@cimarron>

Bram

Try the following

Login as root
execute su - mail

Then try $ /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system

You will see everything is ok.. So the gid for mail is 12 and that is the
gid expected.
At least with this you will be sure it?s not an instalation issue
I have the same problem and i am working in it since a week ago.

Also try the following : Take the source code of any message sended to your
list (those who never arrived) , and put it in a text file, let?s say
message.

Then execute :  $ /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post your-list < message.

Please tell me what happens. When i make this, the message is spreaded ok.
But when i send a message throw normal operation (a mail client) the mail
never arrives.

Pablo
----- Original Message -----
From: Will Nordmeyer
To: [NIP] Bram ; mailman-users at python.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] GID


Bram,

Here's somethings I did...
1)  Do the install --with-mail-gid=12.
2)  make a link to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper  in the /usr/adm/sm.bin
directory.  (at least that's where it was on mine).  If a wrapper link
exists, change the name of this one to something else.
3)  Take the /home/mailman/mail info directory specifier out of the aliases
file. Make the wrapper call match whatever the link in 2 is.  No directory
qualifier.
4)  Run New Aliases.



After doing that...  it finally did start working for me...

--Will



----- Original Message -----
From: [NIP] Bram
To: mailman-users at python.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:39 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID


Hi,

I guess this question has been asked a lot, but I've tried all the
possible solutions I could find in the archive and none of them fixed my
problem. Every time the wrapper gets invoked from sendmail, it returns
this to the maillog:

---
Sep 13 01:31:36 dell sendmail[24530]: f8CNVaJ24530: from=<***@***>,
size=1636, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<005d01c13be3$31a49850$0500000a at voyager>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
relay=pop3.***.be [195.130.132.40]
Sep 13 01:31:37 dell sendmail[24531]: f8CNVaJ24530:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system",
ctladdr=<nip-system-admin@***.***> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30977, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
---

So far, everything is okay. But, the mail never arrived. So I thought,
let's run "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system" manually:

$ /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner nip-system
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 1012.  (Reconfigure to
take 1012?)

Now I'm in doubt... I do a "make clean" and then I configure with:
- --with-mail-gid
- --with-cgi-gid

?

I've reconfigured about 20 times now and I already got it to see "gid
1012" (which is the group of the actual wrapper), but now I'm a bit
affraid to have to start all over again (and I really mean: 'again').

So, what do I do next?

I'm logged in as the mailman user on a Red Hat Linux system with
Sendmail as MTA (shame on me).

Thanks!

Bram
http://brammeke.net .. ICQ 5960864




From joshr-mailman at joshr.com  Thu Sep 13 18:59:22 2001
From: joshr-mailman at joshr.com (Josh Rabinowitz)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:59:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML from email appearing in archives?
Message-ID: <p05100303b7c6965e4d57@[209.246.81.41]>

Dear Mailman users:

This seems like it should be an FAQ but I couldn't find the question 
answered anywhere. I'm running an archiving list using Mailman but 
some users post email with HTML tags in it, and these appear verbatim 
in the email archives - I see text like
   ... <x-html><!x-stuff-for-pete base="" src="" id="0" charset=""><P> ...
in the html files created by the archives.

What is the recommended way to deal with this problem of HTML tags 
appearing in the email archives (I'm using Mailman 2.06 with 
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2)?

Thanks in advance
joshr



From david at midrange.com  Thu Sep 13 19:17:57 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:17:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML from email appearing in archives?
In-Reply-To: <no.id> from "Josh Rabinowitz" at Sep 13, 2001 12:59:22 PM
Message-ID: <200109131717.f8DHHwu31007@linux.midrange.com>

There's a great patch on the sourceforge project site that will allow
you to strip out HTML from the list on a per list basis.
 
> This seems like it should be an FAQ but I couldn't find the question 
> answered anywhere. I'm running an archiving list using Mailman but 
> some users post email with HTML tags in it, and these appear verbatim 
> in the email archives - I see text like
>    ... <x-html><!x-stuff-for-pete base="" src="" id="0" charset=""><P> ...
> in the html files created by the archives.
> What is the recommended way to deal with this problem of HTML tags 
> appearing in the email archives (I'm using Mailman 2.06 with 
> ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2)?



From WayneR at strosniders.com  Thu Sep 13 19:15:20 2001
From: WayneR at strosniders.com (Wayne Ringling)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:15:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is certain text in mailman modules.
Message-ID: <951703DE931CD511A80600A0C9825BAA27A0@BETH-EMAIL>

 I am looking to change the below text on my 2.1a2 install,  but I have been
thru every module and can't find it.

The test as follows:

"In order to change your membership option, you must first log in by giving
your membership password in the section below. If you don't remember your
membership password, you can have it emailed to you by clicking on the
button below. If you just want to unsubscribe from this list, click on the
Unsubscribe button and a confirmation message will be sent to you. "

It shows up a the subscription page when you request to make changes or
unsubscribe.

Thanks for any info

Wayne



From tania_r76 at starmedia.com  Thu Sep 13 20:52:34 2001
From: tania_r76 at starmedia.com (Tania Rodriguez)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:52:34 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership restrcitions
Message-ID: <20010913185234.FEHX22631.fep02-svc.starmedia.com@webmail.starmedia.com>

Hi everybody

I have several lists running as notification only list, so it's very important for our organization that non member can unsubscribe... my question here is:
how can I avoid any member to be able to unsubscribe for him/herfself??

is it possible?.. I'm using Mailman-2.1a2

Hope somebody can help me.. thanks

-Tania R.

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From jobrooks at us.dhl.com  Thu Sep 13 21:20:49 2001
From: jobrooks at us.dhl.com (Jo Brooks)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:20:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership restrcitions
References: <20010913185234.FEHX22631.fep02-svc.starmedia.com@webmail.starmedia.com>
Message-ID: <3BA10711.D263FA99@us.dhl.com>

Tania Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody
> 
> I have several lists running as notification only list, so it's very
> important for our organization that non member can unsubscribe... my
> question here is:
> how can I avoid any member to be able to unsubscribe for him/herself??
> 
> is it possible?.. I'm using Mailman-2.1a2
> 
> Hope somebody can help me.. thanks
> 
> -Tania R.

I don't know if this fully solves the problem or not, but on all 
our internal lists, we don't want people randomly subscribing to
lists they shouldn't be on, nor unsubbing from lists they are 
already on (we leave that fun to the list admins).

I modified the listinfo.html page in $MAILMAN/lists/<listname>
so that users could only choose to see the list rosters.  No
archives, no subscribing/unsubscribing.  It's also set this way
in the templates directory for future lists that come along.

This prevents people from using the web interface for that, but 
I don't believe that would prevent anyone from using the -request
process from doing the same thing (if/when they care to figure that
out, and most won't).

Using 2.0.6 and Python 2.1, and so far, so good.

I did find a quirk in the HTML, some odd nesting of the Form-Start
and Form-End statements, but once I figured out where the stray was, 
the resulting form was exactly as I'd wanted it.


JoJo Brooks
DHL Worldwide Express



From hmunoz at rimisp.cl  Tue Sep 11 04:15:51 2001
From: hmunoz at rimisp.cl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Hern=E1n?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Mu=F1oz?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:15:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem GLIBC_2.2
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910200400.02616d10@200.29.30.57>

I'am trying  install the mailman under linux 2.4 - 2.2 , RedHat . and I get 
the follow error message ..... .


File "bin/update", line 32, in ?
     from Mailman import MailList
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
     import socket
ImportError: symbol __sysconf, version GLIBC_2.2 not defined in file 
libc.so.6 with link time reference


Advance thank.




From seebach at bigfoot.com  Tue Sep 11 13:23:23 2001
From: seebach at bigfoot.com (Martin Seebach)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:23:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Files are missing in cgi-bin
References: <200109081646.SAA99177@commando.mobilixnet.dk> <20010911011127.E17705@casagrau.org>
Message-ID: <004201c13ab4$2eb36e80$0200000a@llnote014>

That all looks right to me.
The files are missing from the directory listing itself


Regards,
Martin Seebach

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Federico Grau" <donfede at casagrau.org>
To: "Martin Seebach" <seebach at mobilixnet.dk>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Files are missing in cgi-bin


> On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 06:46:41PM +0200, Martin Seebach wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have spend most of the day trying to get mailman to work on my Debian-Potato server. Everything seems go fine, and I can create a new list using newlist etc. but the cgi-bin directory is empty except for a file, "-data". What could I hvae done wrong to get this error?
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Martin Seebach
> 
> hi Marting,
> 
> when you say files are missing, do you mean from the web interface or in the
> actual directory list.  it worked pretty much straight out of the box on
> potato for me.  Below are the only apache(ssl) edits we needed to make:
> 
>     ### in srm.conf, added
>     Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
> 
>     Alias /mailman/private/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/
> 
> 
>     ### in access.conf, added (instead of having users type out full path)
>     # Redirect main (plaintext) page to plaintext mailman site
>     RedirectMatch permanent ^/$ https://mailman.epic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/
> 
> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman is a softlink to /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin (yeah
> sounds confusing but it makes sense if you think about it :-D) and that
> directory has the following files in it:
>     donfede at mailman:/etc/apache-ssl$ ls -l /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>     total 80
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5332 May 29  2000 admin
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 admindb
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 archives
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 edithtml
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5344 May 29  2000 handle_opts
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 listinfo
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 options
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5336 May 29  2000 private
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5332 May 29  2000 roster
>     -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5340 May 29  2000 subscribe
> 
> any more details on your config/problem?
> donfede
> 
> 
> 




From will.partain at motorola.com  Tue Sep 11 19:33:15 2001
From: will.partain at motorola.com (Will Partain)
Date: 11 Sep 2001 18:33:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: majordom2mailman
In-Reply-To: <00df01c13ae5$a2182e20$021619c8@colnodo.org.co>
References: <OF491EFF1A.22600E0F-ON48256AC2.000F00BD@asiandevbank.org>
	<3B9E342D.1ED205EF@auntminnie.com>
	<00df01c13ae5$a2182e20$021619c8@colnodo.org.co>
Message-ID: <rwad74xoco4.fsf_-_@lanark.sps.mot.com>

"Omar F. Martinez" <omar at colnodo.apc.org> writes:

> Exists any tool to migrate my majordom-list to mailman?

The notes I wrote up (including scripts) are at
http://ark.sourceforge.net/mailman-notes.html

If you get the (team) Sidai tarball from the
http://ark.sourceforge.net/ releases/downloads, it has a
*sample* script in sidai/mailman-utils/from-majordomo.sample.

I make *no guarantees* about how well any of this will work;
backup early and often; you can make a Big Mess if it goes
wrong; your mileage may vary...

Will



From egoetschel at yabyum.ch  Wed Sep 12 11:59:49 2001
From: egoetschel at yabyum.ch (Edi Goetschel)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:59:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error with"Message has implicit destination"
Message-ID: <0c0401c13b71$c4fad280$f67ce6c2@tantra>

My list works fine for about a month. Now suddenly every post is hold
because "Message has implicit destination". Ich changed nothing in the
Alias-names-Field of the privacy options, where I defined Tantra as
[Tt][Aa][Nn][Tr][Aa].

Any idea?

Best regards

Edi




From bestb at lao.on.ca  Wed Sep 12 19:26:56 2001
From: bestb at lao.on.ca (Bruce Best (CRO))
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:26:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can list owner set user passwords?
Message-ID: <55675C2D7AA8D411A94500508B66062D0123D16E@cheetah>

I am managing 12 lists with about 40-60 subscribers per list, which have
recently been migrated from Majordomo to Mailman (due to a change at our
service provider). Many subscribers belong to most or all of the 12 lists.
The mailing lists are hosted by a third-party provider, so we do not have
site administrator privileges.

With Majordomo, we had an HTML form subscription page set up on a private
website that submitted requests via email to Majordomo. Subscribers could
make changes to all their subscriptions by visiting just the one page,
selecting the appropriate radio buttons, entering their email address, and
clicking "submit". 

Now, with Mailman, each user has been assigned a different password for each
list. This means subscribers will soon be getting 12 separate emails with 12
separate passwords, one for each list they are subscribed to, with
instructions pointing to 12 different websites to make changes to their
subscription options. I am not looking forward to the confused calls &
emails we will get when this happens, and would like to make this transition
as transparent as possible for our subscribers (who also happen to be our
clients).

My questions are as follows;

1. Can the requirement for passwords to make subscription changes in Mailman
be turned off altogether? I know it is insecure, but at the moment the
additional security from Majordomo will be nothing but a headache. The lists
are not advertised, and we will probably adjust the current Majordomo
subscription page to Mailman, and remove the server-based subscription
pages.

2. Another solution that would ease the transition considerably is if we
could change it so that each user's password would be the same for all our
lists. Can the list owner set just one password for a particular email
address that would apply to a group of lists?


Thanks. Any constructive suggestions would be welcome.
 
Bruce



From ian at darwinsys.com  Wed Sep 12 21:07:58 2001
From: ian at darwinsys.com (Ian Darwin)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:07:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] full name field
Message-ID: <200109121907.f8CJ7wO04401@darwinsys.com>

Is this the most-requested feature, or what? People have been
asking for it (see the archives) for years. If I were a typical
whiner I'd ask "Why not just put it in?", but as a freeware
developer I know better -- I just don't know Python well
enough yet. :-)  But hey, it really would be nice
to have this feature.  (Full disclosure: my wife who
maintains a couple of lists on my site keeps asking for it too).

One of the emails in the archive asks "what are the issues?"
My first cut is that (at the very least) one would need to add
an option for this on a per-list basis, then change 
the way the list is stored to include this info (includes handle the 
"missing data" case gracefully for backwards compatibility), modify the way
"bulk input" is parsed, and modify the HTML form both
for end-user signup and the HTML that displays the membership list.
Oh, and add an item like "Display full name in
list if not logged in as administrator" in the privacy options.
And test it.

And I presume there's actually more than that; this is just
a shot from the hip (in case anybody's wondering why it hasn't
happened yet).

Ian Darwin
ian at darwinsys.com



From ian at darwinsys.com  Wed Sep 12 21:18:40 2001
From: ian at darwinsys.com (Ian Darwin)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:18:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing email address?
Message-ID: <200109121919.f8CJJOj25722@darwinsys.com>

Is it feasible to change a user without deleting and re-adding them?
I didn't see a way of doing this (in 2.0.6, that is) and it looks as
though the email is used like a primary database key. It's just
a convenience thing, but a lot of my users change dialup accounts
fairly often.

TIA
Ian Darwin
ian at darwinsys.com



From dominique.storm.lokzinsky at drc.dk  Thu Sep 13 10:13:46 2001
From: dominique.storm.lokzinsky at drc.dk (Dominique Lokzinsky)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:13:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay problem
Message-ID: <sba086f0.069@df_mail>

i have set up mailman on my linux box and it also works fine as long as
i subscribe adresses from our own domain.
when i subscribe adresses from other domains i get an entry in my
maillog that says "we do not relay".
it has to do something with sending mail to an alias i.e. mylist-admin
,I think, but how do I solve this problem?

thanks in advance!





From joshr-garbage at joshr.com  Thu Sep 13 18:55:30 2001
From: joshr-garbage at joshr.com (Josh Rabinowitz)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:55:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML from email appearing in archives?
Message-ID: <p05100300b7c693b2aca7@[209.246.81.41]>

Dear Mailman users:

This seems like it should be an FAQ but I couldn't find the question 
answered anywhere. I'm running an archiving list using Mailman but 
some users post email with HTML tags in it, and these appear verbatim 
in the email archives - I see text like
   ... <x-html><!x-stuff-for-pete base="" src="" id="0" charset=""><P> ...
in the html files created by the archives.

What is the recommended way to deal with this problem of HTML tags 
appearing in the email archives (I'm using Mailman 2.06 with 
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2)?

Thanks in advance
joshr
-- 



From ROOTERMAN1 at aol.com  Thu Sep 13 20:23:36 2001
From: ROOTERMAN1 at aol.com (ROOTERMAN1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:23:36 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman software for boat list
Message-ID: <6c.fe7b15a.28d253a8@aol.com>

Hello how do you download boat list of upcoming sale of MMA how many people 
have such requirements Mac os10 , etc., no windows, etc., what do you have to 
be a developer to participate I am just a novice.
Thanks for any info
Donald
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Sep 13 23:25:02 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:25:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem GLIBC_2.2
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910200400.02616d10@200.29.30.57>; from hmunoz@rimisp.cl on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 08:15:51PM -0600
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910200400.02616d10@200.29.30.57>
Message-ID: <20010913172501.A4969@mems-exchange.org>

On 10 September 2001, Hern?n Mu?oz said:
> I'am trying  install the mailman under linux 2.4 - 2.2 , RedHat . and I get 
> the follow error message ..... .
> 
> 
> File "bin/update", line 32, in ?
>      from Mailman import MailList
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
>      import socket
> ImportError: symbol __sysconf, version GLIBC_2.2 not defined in file 
> libc.so.6 with link time reference

You forgot to state the basics: What version of Python?  What version of
Mailman?  What compiler?  What version of gcc?

Did you compile Python yourself?

Did you compile Mailman yourself?

Were they compiled on the same system as you're running them on with
*no* changes to the system?

If you answered "no" to any of those last three questions, you should
build Mailman yourself *on the system where you're going to run it.

If that doesn't work, build your own Python and then build Mailman.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Sep 14 00:06:57 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:06:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay problem
References: <sba086f0.069@df_mail>
Message-ID: <3BA12E01.A953EAAF@auntminnie.com>

Hi Dominique,

There's a lot of "X" unknown factors based on your message below, but
here's a SWAG(tm) ... are you using tcpd? if so, what's your hosts.allow
say?

::waving arms above computer, hollering in some exotic arcane language,
wearing scary-looking medicine woman face paint::

=)
Amanda, the friendly neighborhood computer shaman (yeah, right)


Dominique Lokzinsky wrote:

> i have set up mailman on my linux box and it also works fine as long as
> i subscribe adresses from our own domain.
> when i subscribe adresses from other domains i get an entry in my
> maillog that says "we do not relay".
> it has to do something with sending mail to an alias i.e. mylist-admin
> ,I think, but how do I solve this problem?
>
> thanks in advance!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From howanitz at nindo.com  Fri Sep 14 01:20:22 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:20:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] relay problem
In-Reply-To: <sba086f0.069@df_mail>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109131819030.2008-100000@chauncer.greenshire.com>

Can you send email from another domain to a normal account on that system?

-- 
-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Dominique Lokzinsky wrote:

> i have set up mailman on my linux box and it also works fine as long as
> i subscribe adresses from our own domain.
> when i subscribe adresses from other domains i get an entry in my
> maillog that says "we do not relay".
[SNIP]




From rcozzani at zia.ms.it  Fri Sep 14 08:24:44 2001
From: rcozzani at zia.ms.it (Riccardo Cozzani)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:24:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange warning
In-Reply-To: <sba086f0.069@df_mail>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10109140822260.5598-100000@icaro.zia.ms.it>

Hi all,

on my server mailman qrunner returns:

Database (2.4.9) != program (2.4.7) version.

I'm running mailman 2.0.5.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Riccardo





From skalman at cpf.nu  Fri Sep 14 09:59:16 2001
From: skalman at cpf.nu (Mikael Karmalm)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:59:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID problem!
Message-ID: <000b01c13cf3$26e8b930$d80049d4@karmalm>

Hello!

I?m trying to install Mailman, but I got this error message

Mailman CGI error!!!
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by
the Web server.
The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored
in your syslog:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to take
48?)

I really don?t understand what I should do!
I?m running RedHat 7.1 whit Postfix and Apache.

Please help

/M




From josi at globalmargin.com  Fri Sep 14 10:15:50 2001
From: josi at globalmargin.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?Sm9z6SBJZ25hY2lvIEZyYW5xdWVpcm8=?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 05:15:50 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Avoiding auto-response in moderated lists
Message-ID: <5611212312.20010914051550@globalmargin.com>

Hi.

I?m running Mailman v2.0.6.

I?m  creating  a  moderated  list, but I?d like to avoid the automated
response  to posters advicing that "your email is being held until the
list moderator can review it for approval".

In the Auto-responder section of the Administration site I set to "No"
the  question  "Should  Mailman  send an auto-response to mailing list
posters?", but this didn?t seem to work.

So, how can I do it?

Thank you in advance.

Josi





From listmgr at perilpoint.com  Fri Sep 14 14:32:21 2001
From: listmgr at perilpoint.com (Bradford Shaw)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:32:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner/qfiles question
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010914072333.063f7d50@perilpoint.com>

Hello,

I just noticed the mailman/logs/qrunner file which is over 13MB in size. 
Looking through it, the majority of it contains this statement:

Sep 14 12:21:02 2001 (5785) Exception reading qfile: 
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ecfb05a87351302572145f10e0989d9b14999aeb
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ecfb05a87351302572145f10e0989d9b14999aeb.db'

Can someone tell me what is causing this?

Best wishes,
Bradford "Biff" Shaw
List Administrator
PerilPoint Communications Inc.
http://www.perilpoint.com






From thierry.engels at nrb.be  Fri Sep 14 17:01:51 2001
From: thierry.engels at nrb.be (Thierry Engels)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:01:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multilingual users
Message-ID: <3BA21BDF.EA3A2695@nrb.be>

Hi everybody,

I'am very new to mailman, but it seems that this product is near to "what we ever dreamed, but never dare to ask".
Anyway, there's still some unanswered questions about this product :

Is there any way to "easily" add some multilingual support on mailman.
   - Giving the user a way to select his prefered language (at subscription ?)
   - using "by language" mail and web templates

Any hints on this whould be appreciated.

Thierry ENGELS





From user1 at acosmo.com  Fri Sep 14 17:29:05 2001
From: user1 at acosmo.com (Peter Lee)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:29:05 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22reqest help=22?= bounce error
Message-ID: <20010914152905.19860.qmail@mail.acosm.com>

Hello there, 

I am using mailman with qmail.
I have setup a test list called "test" on a virtual domain "acosmo.com"
I have, in the home dir of "acosmo.com", .qmail-test-request
|/usr/local/bin/preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test
and other .qmail-test-* files. 

When I send a message to test-request at acosmo.com I get a bounce for an error 
I do not understand (see below). Yet, I do not see any error logged in the 
mailman log or the smtpd/qmail log. 

Would you please give me a hint on what is the problem? 

Bounced error message
==============================================
The following is a detailed description of the problems. 

Command? Return-Path: <mann at termcap.com>
Command? Delivered-To: acosmo.com-test-request at acosmo.com
Command? Received: (qmail 19629 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 ...
Command? Received: from unknown (HELO mail.acosm.com) (65.204.201.6)
Command? by 65.166.201.175 with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 14:55:20 -0000
>>>>> 
>>>>> Too many errors encountered; the rest of the message is ignored:
> Received: (qmail 3199 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 14:58:42 -0000
> Received: from unknown (HELO wsatl50014) (mann at termcap.com@65.204.201.3)
>   by mail-t1.acosm.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 14:58:42 -0000
> From: "Mann Suite" <mann at termcap.com>
> To: "Test-Request at Acosmo. Com" <test-request at acosmo.com>
> Subject: help
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:52:30 -0400
> Message-ID: <ECELJBLKCKOJJPLDKHLMGEIODCAA.mann at termcap.com>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> 	charset="US-ASCII"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200
> Importance: Normal
> In-Reply-To: <ECELJBLKCKOJJPLDKHLMAEIODCAA.mann at termcap.com>

================
Sincerely,
Peter 

 

================================================
>>>>>>>> Visit http://www.acosmo.com  <<<<<<<<<



From bram at nip.be  Fri Sep 14 18:56:33 2001
From: bram at nip.be ([NIP] Bram)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:56:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID (cont.) --> hostname
Message-ID: <002f01c13d3e$35a49610$01000001@voyager>

Hi!

I solved the GID problem. I completely started over from scratch and now
it works. But still one problem, well, two actually:

I have Apache configured to use http://mailman.domain.tld, but Mailman
still thinks it's on http://dell.domain.tld. How can I let Mailman know
that it's accessable at mailman.domain.tld?

Same problem for the mails: it sends mails ... at dell.domain.tld, instead
of plain ... at domain.tld. Here too: how can I let Mailman know what
hostname to use?

Big thanks!

Bram





From chris at launchcyte.com  Fri Sep 14 22:13:30 2001
From: chris at launchcyte.com (Chris J. Babyak)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:13:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Error
Message-ID: <01d301c13d59$b9023d80$2700a8c0@launchcyte.com>

Greetings,

I realize this is probably posted to the list almost daily, however I've
gone through previous posts, and haven't found a solution that works.

I've installed mailman 2.0.6 with sendmail, and placed a sym link to the
wrapper in /etc/smrsh as listed in the docs.

Here's my configure options:
./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=2 --with-username=533 --w
ith-groupname=536

The daemon uid/gid are 2.

When I send to the test list, I get this:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"
    (expanded from: <testlist at domain.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 2, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"... unknown mailer error 2

GID 12 in my system is the mail user as set by my linux distrib, but I've
specifically set the GID above, from the first install.  I've reinstalled
about 5 times now.

All CGI and scripts seem to run fine, other than this.  Running it from the
command line as daemon runs ok.

Thanks,

Chris







From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Sep 14 22:40:32 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:40:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID (cont.) --> hostname
References: <002f01c13d3e$35a49610$01000001@voyager>
Message-ID: <3BA26B40.7A792431@auntminnie.com>

Hiya Bram,

In the admin interface, there's a box for "Hostname this computer prefers"
or some such. That should help with your prob...er, right, never call it a
problem, it's an "issue," or a "situation."

::hmm, maybe she got too much brainwashing doing support engineering::
=)
Amanda



"[NIP] Bram" wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I solved the GID problem. I completely started over from scratch and now
> it works. But still one problem, well, two actually:
>
> I have Apache configured to use http://mailman.domain.tld, but Mailman
> still thinks it's on http://dell.domain.tld. How can I let Mailman know
> that it's accessable at mailman.domain.tld?
>
> Same problem for the mails: it sends mails ... at dell.domain.tld, instead
> of plain ... at domain.tld. Here too: how can I let Mailman know what
> hostname to use?
>
> Big thanks!
>
> Bram
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Sep 14 22:48:31 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:48:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ISO mail header guru
Message-ID: <3BA26D1F.A43EBC1@auntminnie.com>

Not necessarily in relation to Mailman in particular, but I'm having
an issue getting certain kinds of mail distributed properly to some
mail clients - attachments that are supposed to be dispositioned
inline are dispositioning as full attachments instead. If anyone out
there is an expert on mail headers - particularly MIME, content-type,
and content-disposition - I'd appreciate the privilege of bending your
ear for a bit and seeing if you can offer any helpful suggestions.

If you want to give it a shot, please respond to me off-list, as
there's no need to bombard the people with fully Mailman-specific
questions with this only vaguely-related babble...


=)
Amanda





From billlist at nycap.rr.com  Fri Sep 14 23:14:55 2001
From: billlist at nycap.rr.com (William A. Hoffman)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:14:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help no mail getting out (FreeBSD?, Sendmail, mailman?)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914171235.034e8128@pop.nycap.rr.com>


I have been using mailman for the vtkusers list for about a year now.
Everything was going quite well, until a disk crashed. I was able
to recover the old, lists and everything seemed to be going well.

I am running this:
FreeBSD 4.4-RC3
mailman-2.0.6

About three days ago the mail stopped.


As far as the logs I am getting a bunch of this stuff:
....
Sep 14 16:30:03 2001 (12593) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:31:02 2001 (12663) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:32:02 2001 (12667) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:33:02 2001 (12675) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:34:01 2001 (12689) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:35:02 2001 (12708) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:36:02 2001 (12724) Could not acquire qrunner lock


logs/smtp
Sep 10 16:19:02 2001 (87765) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.641 seconds
Sep 10 16:45:45 2001 (2181) smtp for 654 recips, completed in 443.366 seconds
Sep 10 16:49:46 2001 (5068) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 225.345 seconds
... all the times are very long now after this point.

logs/smtp-failure
Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)
Sep 14 09:29:04 2001 (75288) 450 rodrigod at dc.ufscar.br (4.7.1 <rodrigod at dc.ufsca
r.br>... Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)
Sep 14 09:32:32 2001 (75592) 450 rodrigod at dc.ufscar.br (4.7.1 <rodrigod at dc.ufsca
r.br>... Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)

logs/posts
Sep 14 09:21:32 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from tedyvtk at gogo.com.br, size=401
9, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:24:03 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from tedyvtk at gogo.com.br, size=417
3, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:26:33 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from dalleyg at dma.org, size=570, 1 
failures
Sep 14 09:29:04 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from krw at viz-solutions.com, size=6
97, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:32:32 2001 (75592) post to vtkusers from charlie.chang at nchc.gov.tw, si
ze=2325, 1 failures


Very little mail seems to be getting out.


I found this on google groups:
From: Marc MERLIN <marc_news at v...>
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 7:14 pm
Subject: [Exim] name resolution with mailman and exim


Ok, so here's the deal:
Sourceforge hosts a lot of mailing lists with mailman, and I'm helping with
their new setup.


Mailman will spool all the incoming mailing list posts and run through the
queue once a minute with a single threaded process, and that process takes
every post and feeds them to (currently) sendmail.
One mail from, and lots of rcpt to (batches of 100 I think).
Actually, you can tell mailman not to spool and talk to the MTA directly,
but that was unreliable apparently.



The problem is that some list subscribers are in countries where DNS is slow
and unreliable.


Any ideas for a fix would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

-Bill



I have been using mailman for the vtkusers list for about a year now.
Everything was going quite well, until a disk crashed. I was able
to recover the old, lists and everything seemed to be going well.

I am running this:
FreeBSD 4.4-RC3
mailman-2.0.6

About three days ago the mail stopped.


As far as the logs I am getting a bunch of this stuff:
....
Sep 14 16:30:03 2001 (12593) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:31:02 2001 (12663) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:32:02 2001 (12667) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:33:02 2001 (12675) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:34:01 2001 (12689) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:35:02 2001 (12708) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:36:02 2001 (12724) Could not acquire qrunner lock


logs/smtp
Sep 10 16:19:02 2001 (87765) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.641 seconds
Sep 10 16:45:45 2001 (2181) smtp for 654 recips, completed in 443.366 seconds
Sep 10 16:49:46 2001 (5068) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 225.345 seconds
... all the times are very long now after this point.

logs/smtp-failure
Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)
Sep 14 09:29:04 2001 (75288) 450 rodrigod at dc.ufscar.br (4.7.1 <rodrigod at dc.ufsca
r.br>... Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)
Sep 14 09:32:32 2001 (75592) 450 rodrigod at dc.ufscar.br (4.7.1 <rodrigod at dc.ufsca
r.br>... Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)

logs/posts
Sep 14 09:21:32 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from tedyvtk at gogo.com.br, size=401
9, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:24:03 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from tedyvtk at gogo.com.br, size=417
3, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:26:33 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from dalleyg at dma.org, size=570, 1 
failures
Sep 14 09:29:04 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from krw at viz-solutions.com, size=6
97, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:32:32 2001 (75592) post to vtkusers from charlie.chang at nchc.gov.tw, si
ze=2325, 1 failures


Very little mail seems to be getting out.


I found this on google groups:
From: Marc MERLIN <marc_news at v...>
Date: Fri Nov 3, 2000 7:14 pm
Subject: [Exim] name resolution with mailman and exim


Ok, so here's the deal:
Sourceforge hosts a lot of mailing lists with mailman, and I'm helping with
their new setup.


Mailman will spool all the incoming mailing list posts and run through the
queue once a minute with a single threaded process, and that process takes
every post and feeds them to (currently) sendmail.
One mail from, and lots of rcpt to (batches of 100 I think).
Actually, you can tell mailman not to spool and talk to the MTA directly,
but that was unreliable apparently.



The problem is that some list subscribers are in countries where DNS is slow
and unreliable.


Any ideas for a fix would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

-Bill


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From benwa at ocentrix.com  Fri Sep 14 23:19:33 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:19:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multilingual users
In-Reply-To: <3BA21BDF.EA3A2695@nrb.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010914141717.03c99e70@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 05:01 PM 9/14/2001 +0200, Thierry Engels wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I'am very new to mailman, but it seems that this product is near to "what 
>we ever dreamed, but never dare to ask".
>Anyway, there's still some unanswered questions about this product :
>
>Is there any way to "easily" add some multilingual support on mailman.
>    - Giving the user a way to select his prefered language (at 
> subscription ?)
>    - using "by language" mail and web templates
>
>Any hints on this whould be appreciated.

Currently multilingual support is not an easy thing to do with mailman.  To 
join in on discussion of future multilingual efforts subscribe to the 
mailman-i18n at python.org mailing list and keep an eye on the 
mailman-developers at python.org list.

Good luck,

- Ben




From mikael at utfors.net  Fri Sep 14 09:49:50 2001
From: mikael at utfors.net (Mikael Karmalm)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:49:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID problem!
Message-ID: <000901c13cf1$d5e89920$d80049d4@karmalm>

Hello!

I?m trying to install Mailman, but I got this error message

Mailman CGI error!!!
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by
the Web server.
The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored
in your syslog:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to take
48?)

I really don?t understand what I should do!
I?m running RedHat 7.1 whit Postfix and Apache.

Please help

/M




From kristian at casasuperior.com  Fri Sep 14 11:57:46 2001
From: kristian at casasuperior.com (Hans Kristian Fjeld)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:57:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External subscribers bounce
Message-ID: <3BA1D49A.DF0F34F5@casasuperior.com>

I've installed and configured mailman and everything seems to be
working,
except that for some reason, mailman is unable to deliver mail to any of
the list subscribers with addresses that are not in the same domain as
the
server running mailman. All such addresses are reported by mailman to
bounce.

The same server runs sendmail and normally delivers mail to external
domains
without problems.

My system is:
mailman 2.0.1
RedHat Linux 7.1
sendmail 8.11.2

Does anyone have a quick solution to this?

thanks,
Hans Kristian Fjeld
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From nalinda at consultcity.com  Fri Sep 14 21:34:39 2001
From: nalinda at consultcity.com (Nalinda Prematilake)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:34:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python cannot find openssl
Message-ID: <62CA02FBE7EBD14DA5AFB5402D03438903C2D6@cci.consultcity.com>

Hi Folks,
I am trying to install mailman software and it keeps asking libssl.so.0.9.6.
Can someone please tell me where I can find this? I thought openssll will do
the trick but to no avail.

TIA

PS: Please send answer directly to me as I have not subscribed to the group.

--
Nalinda



From bill.hoffman at kitware.com  Fri Sep 14 22:36:07 2001
From: bill.hoffman at kitware.com (Bill Hoffman)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:36:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help FreeBSD?, Sendmail, mailman?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010914162522.034a2958@pop.nycap.rr.com>

I have been using mailman for the vtkusers list for about a year now.
Everything was going quite well, until a disk crashed.   I was able
to recover the old, lists and everything seemed to be going well.

I am running this:
FreeBSD 4.4-RC3
mailman-2.0.6

About three days ago the mail stopped.


As far as the logs I am getting a bunch of this stuff:
....
Sep 14 16:30:03 2001 (12593) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:31:02 2001 (12663) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:32:02 2001 (12667) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:33:02 2001 (12675) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:34:01 2001 (12689) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:35:02 2001 (12708) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 14 16:36:02 2001 (12724) Could not acquire qrunner lock


logs/smtp
Sep 10 16:19:02 2001 (87765) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.641 seconds
Sep 10 16:45:45 2001 (2181) smtp for 654 recips, completed in 443.366 seconds
Sep 10 16:49:46 2001 (5068) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 225.345 seconds
... all the times are very long now after this point.

logs/smtp-failure
 Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)
Sep 14 09:29:04 2001 (75288) 450 rodrigod at dc.ufscar.br (4.7.1 <rodrigod at dc.ufsca
r.br>... Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)
Sep 14 09:32:32 2001 (75592) 450 rodrigod at dc.ufscar.br (4.7.1 <rodrigod at dc.ufsca
r.br>... Can not check MX records for recipient host dc.ufscar.br)

logs/posts
Sep 14 09:21:32 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from tedyvtk at gogo.com.br, size=401
9, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:24:03 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from tedyvtk at gogo.com.br, size=417
3, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:26:33 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from dalleyg at dma.org, size=570, 1 
failures
Sep 14 09:29:04 2001 (75288) post to vtkusers from krw at viz-solutions.com, size=6
97, 1 failures
Sep 14 09:32:32 2001 (75592) post to vtkusers from charlie.chang at nchc.gov.tw, si
ze=2325, 1 failures


Very little mail seems to be getting out.


I found this on google groups:
>From:  Marc MERLIN <marc_news at v...>
>Date:  Fri Nov 3, 2000  7:14 pm
>Subject:  [Exim] name resolution with mailman and exim
>
>
>Ok, so here's the deal:
>Sourceforge hosts a lot of mailing lists with mailman, and I'm helping with
>their new setup.
>
>
>Mailman will spool  all the incoming mailing list posts  and run through the
>queue once a  minute with a single threaded process,  and that process takes
>every post and feeds them to (currently) sendmail.
>One mail from, and lots of rcpt to (batches of 100 I think).
>Actually, you can  tell mailman not to  spool and talk to  the MTA directly,
>but that was unreliable apparently.
>
>
>
>The problem is that some list subscribers are in countries where DNS is slow
>and unreliable.


Any ideas for a fix would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

-Bill





From ramos at ciclo.com.mx  Fri Sep 14 22:45:52 2001
From: ramos at ciclo.com.mx (Jose Ramos)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:45:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help installing MailMan on RedHat 7.1 Linux
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010914133429.01bc8068@192.168.1.43>

Hi guys,

First of all my deepest sympathies ... the Mexican Family is highly tied to 
the United States and feel it's own brothers and sisters where the victims 
in this barbaric act.

If it's possible I need some help for Mailman setting up. I'm receiving a 
CGI error when I try to open a mailing list in the web page saying "Failure 
to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48". I know gid 99 is "nobody" in my 
Linux RedHat 7.1 ... I already use --with-cgi-gid configure option like 
this "% make -- with-cgi-gid=99" and it keep giving me the same error.

Also attempt to add 'alternate' members to groups and use the 
'securelinux_fix.py' from /contrib but have same error. You're already 
familiarized with error page like this in 
http://liberte.ciclo.com.mx/mailman/listinfo/test

By the way I needed to place a space before 'with' (like this "% make -- 
with-cgi-gid=99") cause otherwise I obtain an error. My compiler is 
gcc-2.96-85 and Python 1.5.2-30

Is there a help page I can consult? ... thanks a lot.

----------
   Ing. Jose Ramos E.
  http://ciclo.com.mx
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From eric.brueggmann at amd.com  Sat Sep 15 00:49:06 2001
From: eric.brueggmann at amd.com (Eric Brueggmann)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:49:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-mail configuration.
Message-ID: <20010914154906.A22880@speed.amd.com>

Hello,

        I'm trying to find some documentation on how to configure and quiry
mailman w/o using the web.  I see Christopher  started the documentation "User
Documentation: v1.0" but there is nothing under the heading on page 7.  I'm
just trying to figure out how to do the following through e-mail:

1) Get lists members.  I think its..  "who <listname>" in majordomo.
2) Add and remove members from different lists in one e-mail.


						Thanks for your time,
                                                Eric B.






From nb at thinkcoach.com  Sat Sep 15 11:21:33 2001
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:21:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] you can move terrorism-related discussions off to this list
Message-ID: <200109150921.f8F9LXq30745@quill.local>

There have been problems with terrorism-related discussions on
multiple mailing lists... (I do not consider it a problem when
some people express compassion, but there is a problem when then
others respond with anti-American remarks that are very
unappropriate to the situation, and a flame war develops out of
that.)  The best response IMHO is to moderate the affected lists
for a while _and_ move the compassionate discussions to a
separate mailing list.  I have created a list for this purpose,
see http://stop-terror.net/

BTW if someone is interested in serving as list-owner/moderator
for that list.... I'm willing to run this list, but if someone
is interested in taking it over, that'd be even better :-)

Greetings, Norbert.

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Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From fball at franciscans.com  Sat Sep 15 21:20:24 2001
From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:20:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting the admin password
In-Reply-To: <200109150921.f8F9LXq30745@quill.local>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010915141911.01b6d928@mail.jfredball.com>

Is there a way to assign a new admin password to Mailman?  It's been a 
couple of months since I set it up, and I've managed to forget/lose my own 
password for the program.




From lnxgeek at us.ibm.com  Sat Sep 15 21:29:30 2001
From: lnxgeek at us.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:29:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting the admin password
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010915141911.01b6d928@mail.jfredball.com>; from fball@franciscans.com on Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:20:24PM -0500
References: <200109150921.f8F9LXq30745@quill.local> <4.3.2.7.2.20010915141911.01b6d928@mail.jfredball.com>
Message-ID: <20010915152930.A17233@us.ibm.com>

On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:20:24PM -0500, J. Frederick Ball OEF wrote:
> Is there a way to assign a new admin password to Mailman?  It's been a 
> couple of months since I set it up, and I've managed to forget/lose my own 
> password for the program.

You don't say what version of mailman you have but check for the
"mmsitepass" command in the mailman/bin directory.

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (lnxgeek at us.ibm.com)
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From brian at intersurge.com  Sun Sep 16 00:57:31 2001
From: brian at intersurge.com (Brian Farkas)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:57:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending multiple copies / looping
Message-ID: <001201c13e39$cdf79f60$fe950e18@smateo1.sfba.home.com>

We've been receiving numerous reports over the past couple of weeks that Mailman has been apparently looping and sending multiple copies of the same message to list subscribers. We've found that we can stop this from deleting the files in the qfiles directory, but are unsure of how to obtain a permanent fix. We are using Mailman 2.0.6.... 

If anyone has experienced this problem before, or has any insight to offer into what might be causing it, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Brian Farkas
 
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From brian at intersurge.com  Sun Sep 16 01:08:32 2001
From: brian at intersurge.com (Brian Farkas)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:08:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending multiple copies/looping
Message-ID: <002801c13e3b$581a5d80$fe950e18@smateo1.sfba.home.com>

We've been receiving numerous reports over the past couple of weeks that
Mailman has been apparently looping and sending multiple copies of the same
message to list subscribers. We've found that we can stop this from deleting
the files in the qfiles directory, but are unsure of how to obtain a
permanent fix. We are using Mailman 2.0.6....

If anyone has experienced this problem before, or has any insight to offer
into what might be causing it, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance.

Brian Farkas





From user1 at acosmo.com  Sun Sep 16 18:30:25 2001
From: user1 at acosmo.com (Peter Lee)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:30:25 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] version 2.1 bugs and questions
In-Reply-To: <002801c13e3b$581a5d80$fe950e18@smateo1.sfba.home.com> 
References: <002801c13e3b$581a5d80$fe950e18@smateo1.sfba.home.com>
Message-ID: <20010916163025.22527.qmail@mail.acosm.com>

Hi, 

I just tried version 2.1 alpha 2. I found these things not working: 

(1) In the listinfo and subscribe pages, if I use a different language 
(e.g., big5) other than English, it does not work. Very often I am 
redirected to the wrong page when I click a button. 

(2) When I send mail to list1-request at acosmo.com, with subject help, and 
tempty body, I get this kind of error: 

***** confirm d8a9b4624b2ce84f1f70538af4e26899cab2d415
Command? > -----Original Message-----
Command? > From: list1-admin at acosmo.com [mailto:list1-admin at acosmo....
Command? > list1-request at acosmo.com
Command? > Sent: None
>>>>> 
>>>>> Too many errors encountered; the rest of the message is ignored:

The lines quoted here are actully from an earlier message. 

(3) In the archive, how can a user view and download mime attachement?
Are you planning to add such features? Currently they show up as
 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C13EA9.38AC84F0
Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
	name="file-16.doc"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename="file-16.doc" 

BE5qDwAETkpTdGFyIERvY3VtZW50AAIAAAQJAAAAgD8AAIA/AACAPwAAgD8BAQEAAAABAAAAAAAA 

 

Thank you! 

Regards,
Peter 

 

================================================
>>>>>>>> Visit http://www.acosmo.com  <<<<<<<<<



From Jean.Peccoud at e-notebooks.com  Sun Sep 16 01:26:03 2001
From: Jean.Peccoud at e-notebooks.com (Jean Peccoud)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partial deliveries of messages - not all list members get the postings
Message-ID: <NFBBIGHHKLAMLCCLCPBAAEKCCCAA.Jean.Peccoud@e-notebooks.com>

Hi!

I have Mailman 2.0.3 installed on a Red Hat 6.2 system.

I have been using the system for a while without apparent difficulties.
Recently however, I realized that only a small fractions of list subscribers
are getting their copies of the messages sent to the list.

I did some experiments with a test list having 12 addresses that I can
access. The number of messages sent varies from times to times but is
somewhere between 1 and 3. The addresses that do get the messages are not
always the same and I could not identify any specific parttern. The problem
occurs with several lists having different sets of members.

No error is reported in any of the Mailman log files. The smtp file entry
actually says that the 12 messages were send:

Sep 15 15:33:01 2001 (32427) smtp for 12 recips, completed in 0.123 seconds

The sendmail log files clearly shows that only 2 or 3 members were sent the
message.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Cheers.

PS: please send a copy of any reply to this email address.
_________________________
Jean Peccoud, Ph.D.
e-NoteBooks, Inc.
Ph: 866-212-0539 / 206-336-5562




From ed at halley.cc  Sun Sep 16 20:56:38 2001
From: ed at halley.cc (Ed Halley)
Date: 16 Sep 2001 14:56:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A new wishlist item:  options to clean up inbound or digests.
Message-ID: <1000666598.12960.34.camel@speare3>

I do not use the Mailman server myself, but I am a member on several
Mailman-driven lists.  I usually sign up with the digest form, as that
fills my mailbox with fewer messages.

One frustration I have with any digesting software, and Mailman is no
exception, is that the digest is not very smart:  it leaves in lots of
redundant noise that could be removed from the summary.

Of course, it won't be possible to make the digest software overcome the
lack of etiquette that its users display, but there are a few
automatable anti-noise features I'd like to see.

These can either be hardwired into Mailman, or they can be made into
orthogonally selectable options.  These can be done on the input side,
or on the digest output side, either way.

Option 1:  Remove Tail List Signature from Inbound
  When receiving a message to a list, if the last N consecutive lines
  match the list's own signature lines (ignoring leading regex
  [\[\]\|\>\t ]*), remove those lines from the inbound message.
  Also remove a line preceding the N lines which is exactly "--",
  the standard signature-follows mark.  Defaults off if O#2 below
  is also implemented, defaults on if not.

Option 2:  Remove Redundant List Signatures from Inbound
  Like O#1 above, except it looks through all lines of the message,
  not just the tailing N lines.  Defaults on.

Option 3:  Remove Redundant Blank Lines from Inbound
  Any multiple consecutive lines that are blank (again ignoring
  leading regex [\[\]\|\>\t ]*) are removed.  Only one consecutive
  blank line is allowed.  Defaults on.

Option 4:  Remove Personal Signatures from Inbound
  Any trailing lines following the standard signature-follows mark,
  a line exactly "--", are removed.  Defaults off.

Option 5:  Maximum Reply Quotation Level from Inbound
  For any line beginning with the regex [\[\]\|\>][\[\]\|\>\t\ ]*,
  count the non-whitespace characters in the match.  If the
  count is greater than the chosen maximum, replace it (and similar
  consecutive lines) with a line that reads "[ deep reply quotations
  edited out by Mailman for brevity ]".  Rationale:  people have
  seen the deeply quoted material several times.  Defaults to off, but
  suggests a maximum of 3 levels if turned on.

Other options are to perform O#2, O#3, O#5 only when compiling a
digest, and not for all inbound messages.  This makes for a condensed
digest, while leaving direct-from-list inbound messages alone.

Unfortunately, this has to be a set of admin configured options; to
offer this as an individually adjustable set of digesting options would
require compiling all requested permutations of digest options.

I think the actual processing load will be tolerable for any human
usable mail list, and would only be a problem for machines that
host many dozens of very active Mailman lists.  The benefits, on the
other hand, will be mightily popular with Mailman-list mail recipients,
for the lower signal-to-noise ratio of their daily digests or emails.

(I'm not on mailman-users at python.org, so if you'd like to reply, reply
directly. Thanks.)

-- 
[ e d @ h a l l e y . c c ]



From jo_soares at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 17 11:54:26 2001
From: jo_soares at yahoo.com (Joao Borsoi Soares)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 05:54:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change defaults...
Message-ID: <3BA5C852.5C0BD98D@yahoo.com>

Hello list,

I'm new in mailman and python. Can someone help me on how to compile a
.py to a .pyc? I made changes in the Defaults.py.

Thanks.
Joao




From swan at omnisp.ru  Mon Sep 17 16:24:49 2001
From: swan at omnisp.ru (Anatoly V.Lebedev)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:24:49 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] creating list
Message-ID: <200109171424.SAA13301@jack.omni.spb.ru>

Hello!

Today, all day trying to install and configure mailman.

Think that install it, but, can't to configure..

Create a list "temp" .. add yser to list from veb-interfase, user get a letter and replay to it. that's all..

after it - nothing happens..

where mistake?..



From g.w.vanmourik at student.utwente.nl  Mon Sep 17 16:27:12 2001
From: g.w.vanmourik at student.utwente.nl (G.W. van Mourik)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:27:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe box without password?
Message-ID: <200109171426.QAA07890@studict.student.utwente.nl>

Hi there,

Thanks for the great Mailman program. I intend to use it at as a announce list 
on a website. What I want is that people fill in their e-mail address in a box that 
is integrated in the site and just have to press a button. Is it possible to get 
around the two "enter your password" boxes? If so, would somebody be so 
kind to tell me? Thanks a lot!

cheers,
GW





From fgoossens at reference.be  Mon Sep 17 16:47:52 2001
From: fgoossens at reference.be (Frank Goossens)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:47:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe box without password?
Message-ID: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2F51F@pathfinder.reference.be>

for a customer of ours we wrote a small application (in vbscript/ asp, as
the customer is on an NT-box for now) to present the user with a
subscription-form (asking for e-mail-address and some personal data) of our
own (so we by-pass the mailman subscription interface entirely).

all input is stored in a database (for crm-purposes) and the e-mail-address
is added to a simple text-file (maillistname_add or maillistname_remove)
which is on a samba-share on the linux-server on which mailman resides (but
you could just as well ftp those files over between the two servers on a
regular basis). 

the text-file is processed by a (cronned) shellscript that uses the
add_members and remove_members mailman-commands to perform the actual
subscription.. i'm sure there are easier ways, but this proved to be very
flexible and extensible, without us having to change mailman's code.

(we previously even had the asp repost the e-mail-address to one of the
pages inside the mailman administrative interface, but that did not prove to
flexible .. ;-)

good luck!
frank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: G.W. van Mourik [mailto:g.w.vanmourik at student.utwente.nl]
> Sent: maandag 17 september 2001 16:27
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe box without password?
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Thanks for the great Mailman program. I intend to use it at 
> as a announce list 
> on a website. What I want is that people fill in their e-mail 
> address in a box that 
> is integrated in the site and just have to press a button. Is 
> it possible to get 
> around the two "enter your password" boxes? If so, would 
> somebody be so 
> kind to tell me? Thanks a lot!
> 
> cheers,
> GW
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Sep 17 16:57:39 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:57:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change defaults...
In-Reply-To: <3BA5C852.5C0BD98D@yahoo.com>; from jo_soares@yahoo.com on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 05:54:26AM -0400
References: <3BA5C852.5C0BD98D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010917105739.C1136@mems-exchange.org>

On 17 September 2001, Joao Borsoi Soares said:
> I'm new in mailman and python. Can someone help me on how to compile a
> .py to a .pyc? I made changes in the Defaults.py.

Usually, do nothing.  The next time Python imports the .py file, it
automatically recompiles it.

Note that the user running Python must be able to write to the
directory containing the code.  If this is a CGI process, then it's
quite possible (highly desirable even) that the user will not be able to
write the .pyc file.  In that case, Python will always have to re-parse
the .py file, slowing things down a bit.

In that case you can use the compileall module/script supplied with
Python.  If Python is in /usr/local:
  /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/lib/python2.1/compileall.py ~mailman/Mailman

...or something like that.  This is from memory, your mileage may vary.
RTFM: "pydoc compileall".

      Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From dan at ssc.com  Mon Sep 17 17:20:26 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:20:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe box without password?
In-Reply-To: <200109171426.QAA07890@studict.student.utwente.nl>
References: <200109171426.QAA07890@studict.student.utwente.nl>
Message-ID: <20010917082026.A2840@ssc.com>

On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 04:27:12PM +0200, G.W. van Mourik wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Thanks for the great Mailman program. I intend to use it at as a announce list 
> on a website. What I want is that people fill in their e-mail address in a box that 
> is integrated in the site and just have to press a button. Is it possible to get 
> around the two "enter your password" boxes? If so, would somebody be so 
> kind to tell me? Thanks a lot!
> 

One way is to use the email interface.  

A form on your web page needs to point at a small CGI or equivalent, that
sends email to the list request address, apparently originating
from the requestor we'll call "new at someplace.org":

To: your-list-request at yoursite.whatever
From: new at someplace.org
Subject: subscribe
( a blank line )

in the headers.  This can be accomplished in the CGI if it constructs
such an email and passes it to, for example, "sendmail -t".  
Sendmail (or in my case, Postfix) may have to be configured to consider 
the webserver user as a trusted user.

For an example of such a form, see 

http://www.linuxjournal.com, where you may initiate a subscription to
either or both of two lists, one under mailman, one under majordomo,
from the small form at the top of the right-hand column.

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From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Sep 17 17:21:54 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:21:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change defaults...
In-Reply-To: <3BA5C852.5C0BD98D@yahoo.com>
References: <3BA5C852.5C0BD98D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05101000b7cbc4781b52@[207.149.192.229]>

At 5:54 -0400 9/17/2001, Joao Borsoi Soares wrote:
>I'm new in mailman and python. Can someone help me on how to compile a
>.py to a .pyc? I made changes in the Defaults.py.

Python will notice the changes the next time it is told to import
Defaults.py, and compile a new Defaults.pyc.

You can force it to happen by doing (in a suitable location)
python
import Defaults.py
<control-D>
but there is no real need to do so.

*Most* changes which one is tempted to make in Defaults.py should instead
be made in mm_cfg.py, which is imported after Defaults.py and so can change
any value found in Defaults.py.  The install process for a Mailman upgrade
will leave your mm_cfg.py alone but replace the Defaults.py file.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From user1 at acosmo.com  Mon Sep 17 17:28:53 2001
From: user1 at acosmo.com (Peter Lee)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:28:53 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: version 2.1 bugs and questions
In-Reply-To: <20010916163025.22527.qmail@mail.acosm.com> 
References: <002801c13e3b$581a5d80$fe950e18@smateo1.sfba.home.com>
            <20010916163025.22527.qmail@mail.acosm.com>
Message-ID: <20010917152853.30231.qmail@mail.acosm.com>

It looks like the list engine thinks everything in the message body are 
commands. If I send a message with only help in the body, it works fine. But 
if I send such a message from yahoo webmail, I get 

The useful help plus
Command? _________________________________________________________
Command? Do You Yahoo!?
Command? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com 

I think it should probably should just ignore the message body. Is there 
such a setting? 

Regards,
Peter
=======================
Peter Lee writes: 

> Hi,  
> 
> I just tried version 2.1 alpha 2. I found these things not working:  
> 
> (1) In the listinfo and subscribe pages, if I use a different language 
> (e.g., big5) other than English, it does not work. Very often I am 
> redirected to the wrong page when I click a button.  
> 
> (2) When I send mail to list1-request at acosmo.com, with subject help, and 
> tempty body, I get this kind of error:  
> 
> ***** confirm d8a9b4624b2ce84f1f70538af4e26899cab2d415
> Command? > -----Original Message-----
> Command? > From: list1-admin at acosmo.com [mailto:list1-admin at acosmo....
> Command? > list1-request at acosmo.com
> Command? > Sent: None
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Too many errors encountered; the rest of the message is ignored:
> 
> The lines quoted here are actully from an earlier message.  
> 
> (3) In the archive, how can a user view and download mime attachement?
> Are you planning to add such features? Currently they show up as
> ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C13EA9.38AC84F0
> Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
> 	name="file-16.doc"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Disposition: attachment;
> 	filename="file-16.doc"  
> 
> BE5qDwAETkpTdGFyIERvY3VtZW50AAIAAAQJAAAAgD8AAIA/AACAPwAAgD8BAQEAAAABAAAAAA 
> AA  
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!  
> 
> Regards,
> Peter  
> 
>  
> 
> ================================================
>>>>>>>>> Visit http://www.acosmo.com  <<<<<<<<<
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 


================================================
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From mikeo at quiltropolis.net  Mon Sep 17 18:10:51 2001
From: mikeo at quiltropolis.net (Mike Ober)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:10:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ability to moderate a single member
References: <E15j0q4-0007Yv-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <009001c13f93$52729d30$98c8a8c0@ffeddc.firstfed.com>

Has anyone developed the ability to moderate a single member instead of
a whole list?

thanks
MIke







From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Mon Sep 17 18:17:53 2001
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:17:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating user list from YahooGroups
Message-ID: <20010917111753.A3185@austin.ibm.com>

Anyone got a script from migrating a YahooGroups
member list to Mailman?

The exported list from YG is a CSV list of 10-15
fields.  Yes, I can write a script, just trying
to not reinvent the wheel.

Mike
mhm at austin.ibm.com



From fball at franciscans.com  Mon Sep 17 18:34:35 2001
From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:34:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ability to moderate a single member
In-Reply-To: <009001c13f93$52729d30$98c8a8c0@ffeddc.firstfed.com>
References: <E15j0q4-0007Yv-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010917113352.019ddec8@mail.jfredball.com>

At 11:10 AM 9/17/2001, Mike Ober wrote:

>Has anyone developed the ability to moderate a single member instead of
>a whole list?

Under privacy options:

         Addresses whose postings are always held for approval.




From donal.hunt at dcu.ie  Mon Sep 17 18:50:34 2001
From: donal.hunt at dcu.ie (Donal Hunt)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:50:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: version 2.1 bugs and questions
Message-ID: <3BA629D9.8797DA51@dcu.ie>

Peter,

if you put:

"end" or "--" 

after the last command it will ignore the rest of the message including
any footers you may have.

Incidentally someone was asking about help for email commands over the
weekend.  If you send a mail with the subject "help" to
<listname>-request at host, where <listname> is the name of your list and
host is you Mailman host you'll get an email back with all the email
commands.

Regards

Donal
--Sysops--
DCU

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
It looks like the list engine thinks everything in the message body are 
commands. If I send a message with only help in the body, it works fine.
But 
if I send such a message from yahoo webmail, I get 

The useful help plus
Command? _________________________________________________________
Command? Do You Yahoo!?
Command? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com 

I think it should probably should just ignore the message body. Is there 
such a setting? 

Regards,
Peter
=======================
Peter Lee writes: 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Sep 17 18:46:33 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:46:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe box without password? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Frank Goossens <fgoossens@reference.be> 
   of "Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:47:52 +0200." <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2F51F@pathfinder.reference.be> 
References: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2F51F@pathfinder.reference.be> 
Message-ID: <21761.1000745193@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:47:52 +0200 
Frank Goossens <fgoossens at reference.be> wrote:

> the text-file is processed by a (cronned) shellscript that uses
> the add_members and remove_members mailman-commands to perform the
> actual subscription.. i'm sure there are easier ways, but this
> proved to be very flexible and extensible, without us having to
> change mailman's code.

This exposes an interesting aspect of add_members:

  It can't add users to the pending request queue so that they then
  must confirm to have actually subscribed.

Not a horrible thing, but could be improved.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From rsinha at math.umd.edu  Mon Sep 17 19:08:05 2001
From: rsinha at math.umd.edu (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:08:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosting and mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109171306200.1271-100000@poseidon.sitedomain.com>

I'm a little lost, what uid/gid does a virtual hosting apache process run
under? (vanilla redhat 7.1 other than security and httpd.conf (and
unrelated stuff))

any caveats I should know about?

How do I convince a mailman list its foo at virtual.com as opposed to
foo at random.server.net?

Thanks!

	-RS




From Jean.Peccoud at e-notebooks.com  Mon Sep 17 20:10:08 2001
From: Jean.Peccoud at e-notebooks.com (Jean Peccoud)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:10:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Partial deliveries of messages - not all list members get the postings
Message-ID: <NFBBIGHHKLAMLCCLCPBAIEKICCAA.Jean.Peccoud@e-notebooks.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: Jean Peccoud [mailto:Jean.Peccoud at e-notebooks.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:26 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Partial deliveries of messages - not all list members get the
postings


Hi!

I have Mailman 2.0.3 installed on a Red Hat 6.2 system.

I have been using the system for a while without apparent difficulties.
Recently however, I realized that only a small fractions of list subscribers
are getting their copies of the messages sent to the list.

I did some experiments with a test list having 12 addresses that I can
access. The number of messages sent varies from times to times but is
somewhere between 1 and 3. The addresses that do get the messages are not
always the same and I could not identify any specific parttern. The problem
occurs with several lists having different sets of members.

No error is reported in any of the Mailman log files. The smtp file entry
actually says that the 12 messages were send:

Sep 15 15:33:01 2001 (32427) smtp for 12 recips, completed in 0.123 seconds

The sendmail log files clearly shows that only 2 or 3 members were sent the
message.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Cheers.

PS: please send a copy of any reply to this email address.
_________________________
Jean Peccoud, Ph.D.
e-NoteBooks, Inc.
Ph: 866-212-0539 / 206-336-5562




From tyler at beloit.edu  Mon Sep 17 21:22:37 2001
From: tyler at beloit.edu (Tim Tyler)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:22:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users problem?
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20010917141111.00b3ef00@pop3.norton.antivirus>

  Mailman experts,
    I have an owner of a list that cut and paste a lot of user addresses 
along with their full name at the end of their address into the 
subscription field.  For some reason it allowed the 
subscriptions.  However, it won't allow the owner to remove any names 
individually or collectively since they all appear to be invalid 
addresses.   The only way I could remove it was to go into the shell 
account and use the remove_members command.  Questions?
    1. Shouldn't the subscription method have stopped these addresses if 
they were invalid in the first place?
    2. Shouldn't it be possible for the owner to remove any addresses even 
if they are invalid (with spaces, etc)?  Any thoughts on this?
    3. Any hope for a feature to allow owners one or two clicks to 
unsubscribe all  users from their list in the future?  Having to click next 
to each name for very large subscriptions can be a pain and I don't really 
want to allow shell access to the remove_members command if I can help it.
  Tim

Note: I am currently using mailman 2.03 on an AIX 4.3 system.


Tim Tyler
Network Engineer - Beloit College
tyler at beloit.edu




From dredd at megacity.org  Mon Sep 17 22:48:29 2001
From: dredd at megacity.org (Derek Balling)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:48:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripping received headers, redux
Message-ID: <p0510100cb7cc10f19b84@[216.145.52.64]>

I mentioned this once before and the general response I got was "it 
uses them for loop detection, so it leaves them alone", but for 
anonymous lists (especially ones dealing with sensitive subjects) 
those received headers can easily give away the identity of the 
person sending the message, which is a Bad Thing.

The X-Been-There flag SHOULD be catching loop detection, so I'm not 
worried if this "loop detection of last resort" is removed.

This really (IMHO) should be there if we want to be able to consider 
anonymous lists anonymous. Right now, they're WORSE than anonymous 
because they give the ILLUSION of anonymity. :(

D

-- 
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| dredd at megacity.org  | "... And so it begins ... "             |
|  Derek J. Balling   |         - Ambassador Kosh, Babylon 5    |
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+



From user1 at acosmo.com  Tue Sep 18 02:02:59 2001
From: user1 at acosmo.com (Peter Lee)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:02:59 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] patch for vpopmail to make it working with maildrop and mailman automatically
In-Reply-To: <courier.3BA66E94.00004544@ny.email-scan.com> 
References: <000e01c13f96$e6fae090$09c7bccc@staffserver>
            <courier.3BA66E94.00004544@ny.email-scan.com>
Message-ID: <20010918000259.5120.qmail@mail.acosm.com>

patch for vpopmail to make it working with maildrop and mailman 
automatically. Apply the patch to vdelivermail.c and replace your existing 
/home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail, your virtual domain is ready for mailman 
based lists and maildrop based filters (except autoreply does not work and I 
do not know why). 

My mailman is installed in
/home/mailman/$domain
version 2.1 

My maildrop has WITHCOURIER defined so that it checks the $HOME env 
variable. 

My vpopmail version is 4.10.35 

================================================= 


 --- vpopmail-4.10.35/vdelivermail.org   Sun Sep 16 18:48:42 2001
+++ vpopmail-4.10.35/vdelivermail.c     Mon Sep 17 19:36:31 2001
@@ -42,6 +42,8 @@
char TheUserFull[AUTH_SIZE];
char TheDomain[AUTH_SIZE];
char TheDir[AUTH_SIZE];
+char ListDir[AUTH_SIZE];
+char ListCmd[AUTH_SIZE];
char CurrentDir[AUTH_SIZE];
char DeliveredTo[AUTH_SIZE];
struct vqpasswd *vpw;
@@ -49,8 +51,13 @@
char bounce[AUTH_SIZE];
int CurrentQuotaSizeFd; 

+
+#define QMAIL_EXT
+
#ifdef QMAIL_EXT
char TheUserExt[AUTH_SIZE]; /* the User with '-' and following chars out if 
any */
+char TheExt[AUTH_SIZE]; /* Ext after the User with and '-' */
+char TheLastExt[AUTH_SIZE]; /* The last ext after the User with and '-' */
#endif 

#define FILE_SIZE 156
@@ -79,6 +86,10 @@
void run_command(char *prog);
void checkuser(void);
void usernotfound(void);
+int islistaddr(void);
+int processlistcmd(void);
+int havemailfilter(void);
+int usemaildrop(void); 

static char local_file[156];
static char local_file_new[156];
@@ -90,6 +101,7 @@
 */
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
+
    /* get the arguments to the program and setup things */
    get_arguments(argc, argv); 

@@ -101,9 +113,19 @@
    }
#endif 

+    /* List management addresses */
+    if ( islistaddr() == 1 ) {
+       (void) processlistcmd();
+        /* printf("ListDir=%s\n",ListDir); */
+    }
+
    /* get the user from vpopmail database */
 -    if ((vpw=vauth_getpw(TheUser, TheDomain)) != NULL ) {
 -        checkuser();
+    else if ((vpw=vauth_getpw(TheUser, TheDomain)) != NULL ) {
+      if ( havemailfilter() == 1 ) {
+       (void) usemaildrop();
+       /* printf("MailCmd=%s\n",ListCmd);  */
+        }
+       else checkuser();
    }
#ifdef QMAIL_EXT
    /* try and find user that matches the QmailEXT address if: no user 
found, */
@@ -111,7 +133,11 @@
    else if ( strncmp(TheUser, TheUserExt, AUTH_SIZE) != 0 ) {
        /* get the user from vpopmail database */
        if ((vpw=vauth_getpw(TheUserExt, TheDomain)) != NULL ) {
 -           checkuser();
+         if ( havemailfilter() == 1 ) {
+           (void) usemaildrop();
+           printf("MailCmd=%s\n",ListCmd);
+         }
+         else checkuser();
        }
       else {
           usernotfound();
@@ -130,12 +156,13 @@
/*
 * Get the command line arguments and the environment variables.
 * Force addresses to be lower case and set the default domain
+ * Default: vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox
 */
void get_arguments(int argc, char **argv)
{
 char *tmpstr;
#ifdef QMAIL_EXT
 - int i;
+ int i,j;
#endif 

    if (argc != 3) {
@@ -176,15 +203,106 @@
        if (TheUser[i] == '-' ) {
            break;
        }
 -
        TheUserExt[i] = TheUser[i];
    }
 -
    TheUserExt[i] = 0;
+
+    /* Now i is either at the end of string or points to the 1st - */
+    for(j = i; TheUser[j] != 0; j++) {
+        if (j>i) TheExt[j-i-1] = TheUser[j];
+    }
+    TheExt[j-i] = 0;
+
+    /* Now j is either at the end of string */
+    for(i = j; i >= 0; i--) {
+        if (TheUser[i] == '-' ) break;
+    }
+
+    /* Now i is either at the beginning of string or points to the last - 
*/
+    if (i>0) {
+       for (j = i; TheUser[j] != 0; j++) {
+           if (j>i) TheLastExt[j-i-1] = TheUser[j];
+       }
+       TheLastExt[j-i] = 0;
+    }
+    else TheLastExt[0] = 0;
+
#endif 

    vget_real_domain(TheDomain,AUTH_SIZE); 

+    /*printf("TheDomain=%s TheUser=%s TheUserExt=%s TheExt=%s 
TheLastExt=%s\n",
+           TheDomain, TheUser, TheUserExt, TheExt, TheLastExt);
+    */
+}
+
+
+int islistaddr(void)
+{
+    DIR *mydir;
+
+    /* snprintf(ListDir, AUTH_SIZE, "%s/Maildir/", vpw->pw_dir); */
+    snprintf(ListDir, AUTH_SIZE, "/home/mailman/%s/lists/%s", TheDomain, 
TheUserExt);
+
+    if ( (mydir = opendir(ListDir)) == NULL )  {
+         return(0);
+    }
+    closedir(mydir);
+    /* printf("ListDir=%s\n",ListDir); */
+
+    return(1);
+}
+
+int processlistcmd(void)
+{
+    if ( strncmp(TheLastExt, "", AUTH_SIZE) == 0 ) {
+       snprintf(ListCmd, AUTH_SIZE, "| /home/mailman/%s/mail/wrapper %s 
%s", TheDomain, "post", TheUserExt);
+       return deliver_mail(ListCmd, "NOQUOTA");
+    }
+    else if ( strncmp(TheLastExt, "request", AUTH_SIZE) == 0 ) {
+       snprintf(ListCmd, AUTH_SIZE, "| /home/mailman/%s/mail/wrapper %s 
%s", TheDomain, "mailcmd", TheUserExt);
+       return deliver_mail(ListCmd, "NOQUOTA");
+    }
+    else if (( strncmp(TheLastExt, "admin", AUTH_SIZE) == 0 ) ||
+             ( strncmp(TheLastExt, "owner", AUTH_SIZE) == 0 ))  {
+       snprintf(ListCmd, AUTH_SIZE, "| /home/mailman/%s/mail/wrapper %s 
%s", TheDomain, "mailowner", TheUserExt);
+       return deliver_mail(ListCmd, "NOQUOTA");
+    }
+    else if (( strncmp(TheLastExt, "join", AUTH_SIZE) == 0 ) ||
+             ( strncmp(TheLastExt, "subscribe", AUTH_SIZE) == 0 ))  {
+       snprintf(ListCmd, AUTH_SIZE, "| /home/mailman/%s/mail/wrapper %s 
%s", TheDomain, "join", TheUserExt);
+       return deliver_mail(ListCmd, "NOQUOTA");
+    }
+    else if (( strncmp(TheLastExt, "leave", AUTH_SIZE) == 0 ) ||
+             ( strncmp(TheLastExt, "unsubscribe", AUTH_SIZE) == 0 ))  {
+       snprintf(ListCmd, AUTH_SIZE, "| /home/mailman/%s/mail/wrapper %s 
%s", TheDomain, "leave", TheUserExt);
+       return deliver_mail(ListCmd, "NOQUOTA");
+    }
+    else {
+        printf("Sorry, invalid list command\n");
+       printf("TheUser=%s TheUserExt=%s TheExt=%s TheLastExt=%s\n",
+           TheUser, TheUserExt, TheExt, TheLastExt);
+        /* exit 100 causes the email to be bounced back */
+        vexit(100);
+       return 100;
+    }
+}
+
+int havemailfilter(void)
+{
+    FILE *fs;
+    snprintf(ListDir, AUTH_SIZE, "%s/.mailfilter", vpw->pw_dir);
+    if ( (fs = fopen(ListDir,"r")) == NULL ) {
+        return(0);
+    }
+    fclose(fs);
+    return(1);
+}
+
+int usemaildrop(void)
+{
+    snprintf(ListCmd, AUTH_SIZE, "| /usr/bin/env HOME=%s DEFAULT=./Maildir 
/usr/local/bin/maildrop -V 1",  vpw->pw_dir);
+    return deliver_mail(ListCmd, "NOQUOTA");
} 

#ifdef VALIAS
@@ -401,6 +519,7 @@
        return(-3);
    } 

+
    /* This is a directory/Maildir location */
    if ( *address == '/' ) { 

@@ -472,8 +591,8 @@
            "%sDelivered-To: %s\n", getenv("RPLINE"), dtline);
    } 

 -    if ( lseek(0, SEEK_SET, 0L) < 0 ) {
 -        printf("lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
+    if ( lseek(0, 0L, SEEK_SET) < 0 ) {
+        printf("DeliverMail: lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
        return(errno);
    } 

@@ -648,8 +767,8 @@
 while (*prog==' ') ++prog;
 while (*prog=='|') ++prog; 

 -    if ( lseek(0, SEEK_SET, 0L) < 0 ) {
 -        printf("lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
+    if ( lseek(0, 0L, SEEK_SET) < 0 ) {
+        printf("RunCmd: lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
        return;
    } 

@@ -698,7 +817,10 @@
       return(1);
    } 

 -    lseek(0,SEEK_SET,0L);
+    if ( lseek(0, 0L, SEEK_SET) < 0 ) {
+        printf("IsLooping: lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
+    }
+
    while(fgets(loop_buf,sizeof(loop_buf),stdin)!=NULL){ 

        /* if we find the line, return error (looping) */
@@ -765,8 +887,9 @@
 -        printf("lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
+    if ( lseek(0, 0L, SEEK_SET) < 0 ) {
+        printf("DeliverMail: lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
        return(errno);
    } 

@@ -648,8 +767,8 @@
 while (*prog==' ') ++prog;
 while (*prog=='|') ++prog; 

 -    if ( lseek(0, SEEK_SET, 0L) < 0 ) {
 -        printf("lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
+    if ( lseek(0, 0L, SEEK_SET) < 0 ) {
+        printf("RunCmd: lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
        return;
    } 

@@ -698,7 +817,10 @@
       return(1);
    } 

 -    lseek(0,SEEK_SET,0L);
+    if ( lseek(0, 0L, SEEK_SET) < 0 ) {
+        printf("IsLooping: lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
+    }
+
    while(fgets(loop_buf,sizeof(loop_buf),stdin)!=NULL){ 

        /* if we find the line, return error (looping) */
@@ -765,8 +887,9 @@
 ssize_t message_size;
 ssize_t bytes; 

 -    if ( lseek(0, SEEK_SET, 0L) < 0 ) {
 -        printf("lseek error %d\n", errno);
+    if ( lseek(0, 0L, SEEK_SET) < 0 ) {
+        printf("GetMsgSize lseek errno=%d\n", errno);
+       printf("  Errno EBADF=%i ESPIPE=%i EINVAL=%i\n",EBADF, ESPIPE, 
EINVAL);
        return(-1);
    } 

 

================================================
>>>>>>>> Visit http://www.acosmo.com  <<<<<<<<<



From gagbey at ghana.com  Tue Sep 18 10:16:50 2001
From: gagbey at ghana.com (Agbenya Adotey)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:16:50 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie
Message-ID: <002a01c1401a$48582c70$0384acd5@ghana.com>

Hi all,
I'm new to this list but i want to install XFree86 server version 4.1.0. on an i386 platform.
I'm running freebsd 4.2.
Can someone give me a helping hand as i want to use the Xwindows install a lot of applications on a test computer.

Regards,
Agbenya Adotey
Network Computer Systems
P.M.B
Osu-Accra
Ghana.
http://www.ghana.com
or www.ghana.com.gh


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From hans-peter.zahno at unifr.ch  Tue Sep 18 11:21:11 2001
From: hans-peter.zahno at unifr.ch (Hans-Peter Zahno)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:21:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set a new password for a list admin
Message-ID: <E15jH43-0002k9-00@siufuxpc04.unifr.ch>

Hi,

How can I set a new password (as site admin) for a list admin ?
(In case the list admin can't remember his password..)

or can the list admin get his admin password be mailed like as
a member?

Thanks for yur help!
Regards
Hans-Peter




From li.st at gmx.net  Tue Sep 18 17:20:19 2001
From: li.st at gmx.net (li.st)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:20:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post failures !
Message-ID: <LMEMJCPMJJKCMGOIBALEGENDCDAA.li.st@gmx.net>

hi there!

I'm still looking for a solution for the following strange error:

any idear, why all posts from test-request at localhost to an 
external adress fail, while posts from external adresses or from 
test-request at localhost to localhost adresses succeed?

============
Sep 16 13:26:01 2001 (19082) post to users from li.st at gmx.net, 
size=2265, success
Sep 18 12:33:14 2001 (30862) post to test from 
test-request at localhost, size=735, 1 failures
Sep 18 16:55:37 2001 (32171) post to test from 
test-request at localhost, size=735, 1 failures
============


cu,
Michael




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Sep 18 17:27:03 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:27:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post failures !
In-Reply-To: <LMEMJCPMJJKCMGOIBALEGENDCDAA.li.st@gmx.net>; from li.st@gmx.net on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:20:19PM +0200
References: <LMEMJCPMJJKCMGOIBALEGENDCDAA.li.st@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20010918112703.A1640@mems-exchange.org>

On 18 September 2001, li.st said:
> hi there!
> 
> I'm still looking for a solution for the following strange error:
> 
> any idear, why all posts from test-request at localhost to an 
> external adress fail, while posts from external adresses or from 
> test-request at localhost to localhost adresses succeed?

You haven't mentioned which MTA you're using, or given any excerpts from
its log.

You haven't demonstrated a manual replication of *exactly* what Exim
does when it sends a message.  (Ie. connect to localhost:25 and submit a
list message with multiple recipients.)  My guess is that doing so will
reveal why your MTA is rejecting these messages.

I don't think you mentioned which OS you're running.  You may have
mentioned your Mailman and Python versions, but I don't remember.

If people haven't answered, it's probably because you haven't given
enough information.

        Greg



From gagbey at ghana.com  Wed Sep 19 00:25:45 2001
From: gagbey at ghana.com (Agbenya Adotey)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:25:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <3BA7C9E8.2C1FA94F@ghana.com>

Hi all,

I'm new on this list.

My question is , how do install and configure Xfree86 Server on a
freebsd 4.2 box?

Also though i have disabled the telnetd daemon on this box because of
the recent security concern, is it neccessary to upgrade to version 4.4
of freebsd?

Thanks for the response.

Agbenya Adotey

N.C.S

P.M.B

Osu-Accra

Ghana

http://www.ghana.com.gh

or http://www.ghana.com




From alex at dpcgroup.com  Tue Sep 18 07:45:36 2001
From: alex at dpcgroup.com (Alex Lau)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives?
References: <E15jH43-0002k9-00@siufuxpc04.unifr.ch>
Message-ID: <3BA6DF80.FF85E636@dpcgroup.com>

Should I just set up the pipermail as an alias in apache?




From support at gn.apc.org  Tue Sep 18 18:38:48 2001
From: support at gn.apc.org (GreenNet User Support)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:38:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Messages from Archives
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010918172101.7440A-100000@nfs1.gn.apc.org>

We are running mailman with about 30 separate lists and need to know how
to remove postings from an archive.

Regards,

Phil Carr

GreenNet Support

    
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From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Tue Sep 18 19:55:22 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:55:22 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup subscribers and settings
Message-ID: <20010918145522.38ef6c73.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>

Is there are any way to backup subscribed users and setting of a mail
list?

(into a way that I can restore it if something happens with my server)


-- 
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     -=((____________________________________________________))=-

 Public GnuPG key: http://www.keyserver.net 1024D/57153363 2001-06-02
 key fingerprint = DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0  48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363



From Clark.Cooper at vc3.com  Tue Sep 18 21:03:03 2001
From: Clark.Cooper at vc3.com (Clark Cooper)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:03:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] masthead.txt
Message-ID: <03b201c14074$8ec03630$7b008d0a@sc.slr.com>

I have a situation where the contents of $MAILMAN/templates/masthead.txt
appears when someone replies to a posted message.  How can this be
turned off?
 
thanks,
Clark
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Sep 18 22:25:41 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:25:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup subscribers and settings 
In-Reply-To: Message from Rodolfo Pilas <rodolfo@linux.org.uy> 
   of "Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:55:22 -0300." <20010918145522.38ef6c73.rodolfo@linux.org.uy> 
References: <20010918145522.38ef6c73.rodolfo@linux.org.uy> 
Message-ID: <8132.1000844741@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:55:22 -0300 
Rodolfo Pilas <rodolfo at linux.org.uy> wrote:

> Is there are any way to backup subscribed users and setting of a
> mail list?

~/bin/config_list

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From li.st at gmx.net  Wed Sep 19 10:27:59 2001
From: li.st at gmx.net (li.st)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:27:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post failures !
In-Reply-To: <20010918112703.A1640@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <LMEMJCPMJJKCMGOIBALEMENHCDAA.li.st@gmx.net>

right, my fault!

here's what the previous email lacked:
I'm
running red hat 7.1
mailman-2.0.1-2 with sendmail-8.11.2-14

pine is working on any external domains. so i suppose that sendmail accepts
what mailman would need to deliver external accounts.
sending anything to a local email, there's no log line in the logs/post
file. only if external users post anything, there's a line, but if an
external user wants to join the e.g the test-list, the test-request fails.

the /var/mailman/logs/post file:
============
Sep 16 13:26:01 2001 (19082) post to users from li.st at gmx.net,
size=2265, success
Sep 18 12:33:14 2001 (30862) post to test from
test-request at liland.org, size=735, 1 failures
Sep 18 16:55:37 2001 (32171) post to test from
test-request at liland.org, size=735, 1 failures
============

the /var/mailman/logs/smtp file:
============
Sep 18 12:32:50 2001 (30856) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 5.385 seconds
Sep 18 12:33:14 2001 (30862) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 11.580 seconds
Sep 18 16:55:37 2001 (32171) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.201 seconds
Sep 19 08:42:02 2001 (4493) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.088 seconds
============

the problem is, that there is'nt any mail within the sendmail que, although
mailman requests a failure. how can i track the mail.

the relevant /etc/sendmail.cf file sections:
============
# Alias for this host
Cwliland.org
Cwlocalhost ganimed.liland.org smtp.liland.org
Fw/etc/mail/sendmail.cw
# Virtual email domain
# who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading)
DMliland.org
# Smart host
DS
# Use this mailer to reach the Smart host
DNsmtp
# Central host for local mail
DHsmtp.liland.org
============

thx for any hint.

michael.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Greg Ward
>Sent: Dienstag, 18. September 2001 17:27
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] post failures !
>
>
>On 18 September 2001, li.st said:
>> hi there!
>>
>> I'm still looking for a solution for the following strange error:
>>
>> any idear, why all posts from test-request at localhost to an
>> external adress fail, while posts from external adresses or from
>> test-request at localhost to localhost adresses succeed?
>
>You haven't mentioned which MTA you're using, or given any excerpts from
>its log.
>
>You haven't demonstrated a manual replication of *exactly* what Exim
>does when it sends a message.  (Ie. connect to localhost:25 and submit a
>list message with multiple recipients.)  My guess is that doing so will
>reveal why your MTA is rejecting these messages.
>
>I don't think you mentioned which OS you're running.  You may have
>mentioned your Mailman and Python versions, but I don't remember.
>
>If people haven't answered, it's probably because you haven't given
>enough information.
>
>        Greg
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From howanitz at nindo.com  Wed Sep 19 13:36:11 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 06:36:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post failures !
In-Reply-To: <LMEMJCPMJJKCMGOIBALEMENHCDAA.li.st@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109190633010.13188-100000@chauncer.greenshire.com>

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, li.st wrote:
[SNIP]
> pine is working on any external domains. so i suppose that sendmail accepts
> what mailman would need to deliver external accounts.
> sending anything to a local email, there's no log line in the logs/post
> file. only if external users post anything, there's a line, but if an
> external user wants to join the e.g the test-list, the test-request fails.
[SNIP]

A local user can join the test-list by email?  Have you tested this?




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Sep 19 15:22:02 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:22:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Canned moderation responses?
Message-ID: <20010919092202.A996@mems-exchange.org>

Just wondering if Mailman supports any sort of "canned" moderation
responses.  I don't see anything in the admin interface, so I'm
doubtful.  I'm thinking of a pop-up menu that lets you select from one
of, eg.:

  * Please post plain text, not HTML
  * Please use a meaningful subject line
  * Please learn to use a library; don't ask the list to do
    your homework/thesis for you

Obviously these would have to be customized per-list, and there should
still be room for custom responses.

If it's not already lurking in there, has anyone thought of adding such
a feature?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From li.st at gmx.net  Wed Sep 19 15:39:49 2001
From: li.st at gmx.net (li.st)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:39:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post failures !
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109190633010.13188-100000@chauncer.greenshire.com>
Message-ID: <LMEMJCPMJJKCMGOIBALEAENPCDAA.li.st@gmx.net>

fixed the problem.

the error arised, because sendmail denied relaying!
although mailman was a trusted sendmail user, external domains did'nt work.

yep!


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Howanitz [mailto:howanitz at nindo.com]
>Sent: Mittwoch, 19. September 2001 13:36
>To: li.st
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] post failures !
>
>
>On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, li.st wrote:
>[SNIP]
>> pine is working on any external domains. so i suppose that 
>sendmail accepts
>> what mailman would need to deliver external accounts.
>> sending anything to a local email, there's no log line in the logs/post
>> file. only if external users post anything, there's a line, but if an
>> external user wants to join the e.g the test-list, the 
>test-request fails.
>[SNIP]
>
>A local user can join the test-list by email?  Have you tested this?
>



From rsinha at math.umd.edu  Wed Sep 19 16:39:05 2001
From: rsinha at math.umd.edu (Rahul Sinha)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:39:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery Problems, Virtual Hosting
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109191035410.17829-100000@poseidon.sitedomain.com>

well here it goes,

poseidon.sitedomain.com is hosting (www.)debate.umcp.org

there are two mailing lists, "team" and "announce"

the web side of the hosting works fine.

mail send to those lists does not bounce

any mail sent by those lists (or by mailman itself) does not get sent,
mail is just sitting in qfiles (and yes, the crond is running qrunner)

(I've included tails of the relevant logs)

If anyone needs any more info, let me know...

==> post <==
Sep 19 10:35:01 2001 (17800) post to team from rsinha at math.umd.edu,
size=133, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) post to announce from
mailman-owner at debate.umcp.org, size=1323, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) post to announce from
mailman-owner at poseidon.sitedomain.com, size=69, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) post to team from
mailman-owner at debate.umcp.org, size=1307, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) post to team from
team-request at debate.umcp.org, size=752, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) post to team from
team-request at debate.umcp.org, size=1178, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) post to team from
mailman-owner at poseidon.sitedomain.com, size=64, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) post to team from rsinha at math.umd.edu,
size=133, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) post to announce from
mailman-owner at debate.umcp.org, size=1323, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) post to announce from
mailman-owner at poseidon.sitedomain.com, size=69, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) post to team from
mailman-owner at debate.umcp.org, size=1307, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) post to team from
team-request at debate.umcp.org, size=752, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) post to team from
team-request at debate.umcp.org, size=1178, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) post to team from
mailman-owner at poseidon.sitedomain.com, size=64, 1 failures
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) post to team from rsinha at math.umd.edu,
size=133, 1 failures

==> smtp <==
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds

==> smtp-failure <==
Sep 19 10:35:01 2001 (17800) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:36:01 2001 (17831) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)
Sep 19 10:37:00 2001 (17837) -1 rsinha at math.umd.edu (ignore)






From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Sep 19 20:15:45 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:15:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Canned moderation responses? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Ward <gward@mems-exchange.org> 
   of "Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:22:02 EDT." <20010919092202.A996@mems-exchange.org> 
References: <20010919092202.A996@mems-exchange.org> 
Message-ID: <26044.1000923345@2wire.com>

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:22:02 -0400 
Greg Ward <gward at mems-exchange.org> wrote:

> Just wondering if Mailman supports any sort of "canned" moderation
> responses.  I don't see anything in the admin interface, so I'm
> doubtful.  

It doesn't currently (in release or alpha).  I agree it would be a
nice idea (and one I've wanted for a while but haven't gotten off my
lazy arse to do).

FWLIW My list would enclude:

  Please fully attribute all quoted text as per <list URL> --
  Moderator

  Please place new text below the quote it refers to and trim the
  quote as per <list URL) -- Moderator

  This thread is currently being actively moderated due to signal
  concerns.  Your post was not accepted at this time due to a value
  judgment by the Moderator.  Please check the list archives for a
  previous post by the moderator on this thread -- Moderator

  Off-topic -- Moderator

  Thread closed by Moderator decree -- Moderator

  Message posted to <alternate list> instead -- Moderator

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From lampman at newact.com  Wed Sep 19 20:51:31 2001
From: lampman at newact.com (Michael Lampman)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:51:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL?
Message-ID: <p0501040eb7ce97f3e62e@[205.223.189.82]>

I have a  large mailing list of about 500.  Concurrently there is a 
maintained MySQL  database that includes a column with these email 
addresses.

Would there be any possibility of  getting mailman to draw the list 
from MySQL thus making updates automatic?

Michael



From valites at geneseo.edu  Wed Sep 19 21:06:25 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:06:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message and approval notification mails not being sent
Message-ID: <3BA8ECB1.8050506@geneseo.edu>

I have a RH 7.1 box running mailman-2.0.6.  It does most of the tasks 
assigned to it, with the exceptoin of two...

1 - It puts messages that need approval in the approval queue, but does 
not notify the list admin they need to approve them.
2 - When adding a new user through the web interface and selecting to 
send the new user a welcome message, it succesfully adds the     user, 
however does not send the welcome message to them.

After looking through the sendmail logs and other logs, it looks like 
neither of the failed messages is even making it to the MTA. The two 
problems seem to be related... Anyone know if I'm missing something?




From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Sep 19 21:12:39 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:12:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Lampman <lampman@newact.com> 
   of "Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:51:31 EDT." <p0501040eb7ce97f3e62e@[205.223.189.82]> 
References: <p0501040eb7ce97f3e62e@[205.223.189.82]> 
Message-ID: <26393.1000926759@2wire.com>

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:51:31 -0400 
Michael Lampman <lampman at newact.com> wrote:

> Would there be any possibility of getting mailman to draw the list
> from MySQL thus making updates automatic?

The version of Mailman currently in Alpha supports such operations
via a plugin layer.  You'll have to write the adaptor for your DB to
fit Mailman.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 19 21:18:17 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:18:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message and approval notification mails not being sent 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Mark T. Valites" <valites@geneseo.edu> 
   of "Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:06:25 EDT." <3BA8ECB1.8050506@geneseo.edu> 
References: <3BA8ECB1.8050506@geneseo.edu> 
Message-ID: <24572.1000927097@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:06:25 -0400 
Mark T Valites <valites at geneseo.edu> wrote:

> After looking through the sendmail logs and other logs, it looks
> like neither of the failed messages is even making it to the
> MTA. The two problems seem to be related... Anyone know if I'm
> missing something?

The Mailman cron jobs?

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From thorson at metlogic.com  Wed Sep 19 22:02:14 2001
From: thorson at metlogic.com (Bill Thorson)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:02:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosting and mailman
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109191527290.18988-100000@poseidon.sitedomain.com>
Message-ID: <3BA8F9C6.8000706@metlogic.com>

Rahul Sinha wrote:

>Well, the only prob is I use sendmail, so there is no /etc/vmail, and
>thats the part that is broken....
>
>The website works fine, mail can be sent into the virtual domained
>addresses fine, mailman just can't send any mail...
>

I use sendmail too.  Mine is on a default, unchanged Redhat 7.1 system. 
 Maybe
you need to use linuxconf to set these things up.  Look at the menu I 
get when
I run linuxconf's mailconf module; /sbin/mailconf

      Sendmail configurator
      This package allows you to configure
      Sendmail, the mail delivery system

                          Basic
       Configure  basic information
                  special (domain) routing
                  complex (user) routing
                  masquerading rules
                  mail to fax gateway
                  virtual email domain
       Manage     the mail queue
       Setting    user aliases
                  virtual domain user aliases
                  Virtual POP accounts (mail only)
       Generate   /etc/sendmail.cf
                    Anti-spam filters
       Setting    Rejected senders
                  'Relay for' by IP
                  'Relay for' by name
                  Relay to hosts


I used "Virual email domain" to add my virtual domain.  Then you can use
"virtual domain user aliases" to add the specific mailman aliases or you
can add them by hand in the proper /etc/vmail/aliases.DOMAIN file.

Hope this helps.

Bill






From BarrytheJEW at aol.com  Tue Sep 18 05:48:03 2001
From: BarrytheJEW at aol.com (BarrytheJEW at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:48:03 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman lists
Message-ID: <fc.c4fbb50.28d81df3@aol.com>

Hello my name is Barry W.  Grubbs and I am very new to this.  Is it possible 
to have an open subscription to a mailing list, so you don't have to have a 
password to join?  What I want is for people to be able to subscribe to my 
mailing list and have it start coming to them.  Nothing fancy.  Is that 
possible?  If so, how would I go about it step by step.  Also where can I 
find a downloadable user manual so I can print it out for future use?  Thank 
you for your time!

Barry W. Grubbs
4855 Sher-Ray Forest
Pace, FL. 32571
splitfaceonline.com



From m.steindl at gmx.net  Tue Sep 18 17:04:39 2001
From: m.steindl at gmx.net (Michael Steindl)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:04:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post failures !
Message-ID: <LMEMJCPMJJKCMGOIBALEIENCCDAA.m.steindl@gmx.net>

hi there!

I'm still looking for a solution for the following strange error:

any idear, why all posts from test-request at localhost to an external adress
fail, while posts from external adresses or from test-request at localhost to
localhost adresses succeed?

============
Sep 16 13:26:01 2001 (19082) post to users from li.st at gmx.net, size=2265,
success
Sep 18 12:33:14 2001 (30862) post to test from test-request at localhost,
size=735, 1 failures
Sep 18 16:55:37 2001 (32171) post to test from test-request at localhost,
size=735, 1 failures
============





cu,
Michael




From cassio at tudodebom.com.br  Tue Sep 18 18:23:17 2001
From: cassio at tudodebom.com.br (Cassio O. Camilo)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <1000830197.3ba774f5ad43a@webmail.tudodebom.com.br>

help me !!!
I?m install mailman list and it?s running well.
but i need change the header of the mail.
is it possible ?

tanks !
by !

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  ?v?   _by_______________   ?v?
/(   )\     Cassio Camilo  /(   )\
  ^ ^                        ~ ~ 

-------------------------------------------------
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From jelena at beritrans.com  Wed Sep 19 10:58:40 2001
From: jelena at beritrans.com (Jelena)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:58:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting information
Message-ID: <NEBBKECFKLNHAKOLEJMDGELIHPAA.jelena@beritrans.com>

Dear Sirs,

We would like to get information about the bug attached below, because we've
got problems with it.
Could you please help us to solve the difficulty.

__________________________________________________________________________



Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 104, in main
    cookie='admin')
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in
WebAuthenticate
    return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in
CheckCookie
    if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
IndexError: string index out of range





---------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Environment variables:
Variable Value
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /home/webpages/beritrans.com/htdocs
SERVER_ADDR  194.176.36.225
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
SERVER_PORT  80
PATH_TRANSLATED  /home/webpages/beritrans.com/htdocs/ctcnews
REMOTE_ADDR  62.32.63.50
UNIQUE_ID  O6b3P8CoZP4AAE9MPbo
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  lt
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
SERVER_NAME  beritrans.com
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
*/*
REQUEST_URI  /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/ctcnews
PATH  /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin
QUERY_STRING
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /home/webpages/beritrans.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admin
PATH_INFO  /ctcnews
HTTP_HOST  beritrans.com
REQUEST_METHOD  GET
SERVER_SIGNATURE
SCRIPT_NAME  /cgi-bin/mailman/admin
SERVER_ADMIN  webmaster at home.beritrans.lan
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) Debian/GNU PHP/4.0.3pl1
PYTHONPATH  /var/lib/mailman
HTTP_COOKIE  testing=1
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
REMOTE_PORT  64267

____________________________________________________________________

We are looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Respectfully,
Jelena Merkulova
Information manager
UAB "Beritrans"

phone: 370-6-345122
fax: 370-6-341638
e'mail: jelena at beritrans.com






From kfischer at cgd.ucar.edu  Wed Sep 19 17:57:41 2001
From: kfischer at cgd.ucar.edu (Kathy Fischer)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:57:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] quick question
Message-ID: <200109191557.JAA14468@bearmtn-e0.cgd.ucar.edu>

Or so I think!

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to change the name of a mailman
mailing list?

We have a few mail lists, that the names need to be changed on.  We want
to keep the subscriptions the same though.  Can I just change the name
on the list, and update our alias file to reflect the changes?  Or, is
it more involved, or possibly not possible?

Thanks,
Kathy
=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
Kathleen Fischer		(303) 497-1644
NCAR - CGD Information Systems	kfischer at ucar.edu
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From axmml at uaa.alaska.edu  Wed Sep 19 18:11:55 2001
From: axmml at uaa.alaska.edu (Mary Lade)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 08:11:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001201c14125$cdaf7cf0$0472e589@ITS161I6RKCY5Q>

Is there away to use Mailman without a web interface?

Thanks,

Mary M. Lade
N/SOC
Systems Technician
Information Technology Services
voice 907.786.1139
mailto:axmml at uaa.alaska.edu





From bob at step.polymtl.ca  Wed Sep 19 22:02:40 2001
From: bob at step.polymtl.ca (Robert Walker)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:02:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Alias problem . . .
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0109191552360.7602-100000@step.polymtl.ca>

Hello,
	I am having problems installing mailman. Actually it installed
allright (./configure, make, make install) . . . But I keep receiving
message 403 from apache (You are not authorized to view this page).
The Apache conf shows:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /our_mailman_dir/cgi-bin/

and I get the following message in the Apache logs:
 client denied by server configuration: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

I also tried adding the directive
Alias /mailman/ /our_mailman_dir/
but Apache gives a 404 error. . . .

I believe the perms are allright (r-x for other and rwx for
mailman/mailman)


What can I do ?

We also had problems compiling mailman without suing to root, it keep
saying mailman user does not exist (Even if it did) . . .


Thanks a lot
Good Day
Robert Walker




From pagee at spotteddog.com  Wed Sep 19 23:15:56 2001
From: pagee at spotteddog.com (Patrick Agee)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:15:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error 550 User Unknown
Message-ID: <OOEAJNMEDCNHFBOABKIFAEEGDNAA.pagee@spotteddog.com>

Ok, I have Mailman 2.0.6 installed with Python 1.6.1 on a Cobalt RaQ2
running Sendmail on a Mips. I setup a list called testspot and according to
the directions I added

testspot:                "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testspot"
testspot-admin:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testspot"
testspot-request:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testspot"
testspot-owner:          testspot-admin

to /etc/aliases and also to /etc/aliases.majordomo
I then run /usr/bin/newaliases

	I then went to the subscription site, subscribed and received the email
that I must reply to in order to get on the list. Hit reply, send and then
get
The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by
the server. Server Response: '550<testspot at mydomain.com>...User unknown'.

I have searched through the list archives for a fix and have not found one,
all posted responses say to add aliases to aliases and run newaliases which
I have done repeatedly to make sure it is done. Not sure where else to turn
in order to get this thing going.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.




Patrick Agee
Spotted Dog Computers
AOC Valued Reseller
APC Certified Reliability Provider
Microsoft System Builder
345 Poplar Fork Rd.
Axton, VA 24054
540-650-1718 Voice
540-648-6021 Fax
www.spotteddog.com
pagee at spotteddog.com




From maillist at spotteddog.com  Wed Sep 19 23:38:25 2001
From: maillist at spotteddog.com (Mailing List, Spotted Dog)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Error 550 User Unknown
Message-ID: <OOEAJNMEDCNHFBOABKIFMEEGDNAA.maillist@spotteddog.com>

Ok, I have Mailman 2.0.6 installed with Python 1.6.1 on a Cobalt RaQ2
running Sendmail on a Mips. I setup a list called testspot and according to
the directions I added

testspot:                "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testspot"
testspot-admin:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testspot"
testspot-request:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testspot"
testspot-owner:          testspot-admin

to /etc/aliases and also to /etc/aliases.majordomo
I then run /usr/bin/newaliases

	I then went to the subscription site, subscribed and received the email
that I must reply to in order to get on the list. Hit reply, send and then
get
The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by
the server. Server Response: '550<testspot at mydomain.com>...User unknown'.

I have searched through the list archives for a fix and have not found one,
all posted responses say to add aliases to aliases and run newaliases which
I have done repeatedly to make sure it is done. Not sure where else to turn
in order to get this thing going.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.




Patrick Agee
Spotted Dog Computers
AOC Valued Reseller
APC Certified Reliability Provider
Microsoft System Builder
345 Poplar Fork Rd.
Axton, VA 24054
540-650-1718 Voice
540-648-6021 Fax
www.spotteddog.com
pagee at spotteddog.com




From fgoossens at reference.be  Thu Sep 20 00:08:11 2001
From: fgoossens at reference.be (Frank Goossens)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:08:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL?
Message-ID: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D902652C5B@PATHFINDER>

you could consider writing a cronned script (perl/ python/ whatever can
access mysql) that gets the e-mails out of the database (all of them), saves
them in a temp-file and which uses the remove_member and add_member mailman
(python) scripts to first remove (all) and then add (all) the users?

you could make it (and your database design) even more complex by using
flags in your table to mark entries as 'to be added' and 'to be removed',
have the script interpret those flags and clear them (+ remove removed
entries) from the table. 

but i'd stick to the simpler solution ;-)

frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lampman
To: mailman-users at python.org
Sent: 9/19/01 8:51 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL?

I have a  large mailing list of about 500.  Concurrently there is a 
maintained MySQL  database that includes a column with these email 
addresses.

Would there be any possibility of  getting mailman to draw the list 
from MySQL thus making updates automatic?

Michael

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From james at FuturisTech.net  Thu Sep 20 02:10:18 2001
From: james at FuturisTech.net (James Watson)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:10:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Case-sensitivity and advertised lists
Message-ID: <20010919201018.T22456@thunder.int.futuristech.net>

Howdy.

I've just started playing with Mailman, version 2.0.6.  I've noticed an odd
behavior with the listinfo page.  After creating a couple of test lists,
I realized that neither were showing up on the default listinfo page,
even though both were set to be advertised.  They did, however, show up
on the default admin page.  I know zilch about Python, but I did locate
this snippet of code in listinfo.py:

        if mlist.advertised:
            if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and \
                    http_host and \
                    string.find(http_host, mlist.web_page_url) == -1 and \
                    string.find(mlist.web_page_url, http_host) == -1:
                # List is for different identity of this host - skip it.
                continue
            else:
                advertised.append(mlist)

I gather that the string.find()'s are comparing the http_host string, which
comes from the browser, to the web_page_url string, which is configurable
for each list.  This appears to be a case-sensitive comparison, and it
results in the end user getting different results according to how he
capitalizes the host name in his browser. At least, this is the case with
my browser: Netscape 4.77 on Linux.

admin.py does not do this check, so all advertised lists show up on the
default admin page.

I'm working around this by setting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py. I
assume there's an easy way to fix this in the code, but I'll let someone
who has at least seen more than 1 Python script suggest it. :-)

Thanks,
-James

-- 
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james at FuturisTech.net                        716 South Main St.        
(229) 985 - 7515                             Moultrie, GA 31768       
www.FuturisTech.net                                                   <><



From yod at pnews.org  Thu Sep 20 07:33:19 2001
From: yod at pnews.org (Nisan)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:33:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <001201c14125$cdaf7cf0$0472e589@ITS161I6RKCY5Q>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109200130070.30450-100000@atlantic.net>

I have the same question. Usually I'm using a non-graphical browser anyway
(Lynx) and it is a bit awkward to access the web interface and work from
there. I'm a bit hazy about the commands. The mail request to join is
easy, but what about the admin changing user's options using command line
without going into mailman to do it? Can you do it with e-mail?
 I'm using Mailman on a virtual server so I do not have the correct
permissions to get into the /mail folder in Mailman to set commands that
way.

Hank

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Mary Lade wrote:

> Is there away to use Mailman without a web interface?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary M. Lade
> N/SOC
> Systems Technician
> Information Technology Services
> voice 907.786.1139
> mailto:axmml at uaa.alaska.edu
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com  Thu Sep 20 09:59:08 2001
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:59:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] German translation of Mailman-2.1?
Message-ID: <20010920095908.B7217@innominate.com>

Hi!

I've seen the message catalogs for mm-2.1, but I cannot find the
template files for a German translation. Does anybody have these?

-- 
Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com                           innominate AG
+49.(0)30.308806-62  fax: -77                         networking people
God does not play dice.
            -- Einstein





From alessio at albourne.com  Thu Sep 20 11:34:16 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:34:16 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL?
References: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D902652C5B@PATHFINDER>
Message-ID: <3BA9B818.8C884DCF@albourne.com>

Frank Goossens wrote:

> e-mails out of the database (all of
> them), saves them in a temp-file and which uses the remove_member and
> add_member mailman (python) scripts to first remove (all) and then add
> (all) the users?

~mailman/bin/sync_members is enough. I use such a script and it's fine.

-- 
Alessio F. Bragadini		alessio at albourne.com
APL Financial Services		http://village.albourne.com
Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

"It is more complicated than you think"
		-- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925



From matthias at astrum.ch  Thu Sep 20 15:54:59 2001
From: matthias at astrum.ch (Matthias Leisi)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:54:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Maximum messages per hour" not working?
Message-ID: <20010920155459.E18167@hub.net.astrum.ch>

Hi,

I'm confused about the "Maximum number of messages your list gets in an
hour"-Setting under the "Bounce options" (max_posts_between_bounces). Is
this setting meant to limit the number of messages to a list within an hour,
or does it have a different meaning? 

The name of the variable and the descriptive text seem to be somewhat
contradictory.

Thx,
Matthias
y



From jo_soares at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 20 15:27:42 2001
From: jo_soares at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Borsoi Soares)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:27:42 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Templates...
Message-ID: <3BA9EECE.CE72C2EF@intrasystems.com.br>

Hello list.

I would like to use HTML messages in the subscription confirmation and
welcome messages (templates verify.txt and subscribeack.txt). I think I
will not be able to do that just changing the templates because it
should be information in the mail headers... Can anyone help me with
that?

Thanks.
Joao.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Sep 20 16:49:09 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 07:49:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Maximum messages per hour" not working?
In-Reply-To: <20010920155459.E18167@hub.net.astrum.ch>
References: <20010920155459.E18167@hub.net.astrum.ch>
Message-ID: <p05101001b7cfb136cf5f@[207.149.192.229]>

At 15:54 +0200 9/20/2001, Matthias Leisi wrote:
>'m confused about the "Maximum number of messages your list gets in an
>hour"-Setting under the "Bounce options" (max_posts_between_bounces). Is
>this setting meant to limit the number of messages to a list within an hour,
>or does it have a different meaning?
>
>The name of the variable and the descriptive text seem to be somewhat
>contradictory.

It has to do with bounce processing.  Two bounces a week apart from one
address aren't very significant on a list like this one (with several
messages per hour).  They are highly significant on a list with one message
a week.  It's a hint to the bounce processing (and could probably be named
and described better:  I have the feeling that the bounce processing has
advanced since the setting was created, named, and described).

It doesn't control the rate of message flow.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From eric at persson.tm  Fri Sep 21 02:16:06 2001
From: eric at persson.tm (Eric Persson)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listusers in database
Message-ID: <3BAA86C6.9E9429B2@persson.tm>

Hi !

I'm new to the list, so this topic might have been discussed before. Is
it possible to store subscribers in a database for example mysql?

//eric



From gagbey at ghana.com  Fri Sep 21 00:16:55 2001
From: gagbey at ghana.com (Agbenya Adotey)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:16:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-server 4.1.0
Message-ID: <3BAA6AD7.5195E997@ghana.com>

Hi All,
I'm very new to this list.
Please can some help with how to configure and install Xserver 4.1.0 on
an i386 platform with Freebsd 4.2 running.

Regards,
Agbenya Adotey.




From michael at firewing.org  Thu Sep 20 17:26:13 2001
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson (firewing))
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:26:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listusers in database
In-Reply-To: <3BAA86C6.9E9429B2@persson.tm>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010920082509.00b068f8@mail.firewing.org>

Didn't someone just ask this, like, yesterday. In this case, I'd read the 
archived messages that have already been sent on this topic (and 
incorporate with any additional messages you receive if any on the topic).


At 05:16 PM 9/20/2001 -0700, Eric Persson wrote:
>Hi !
>
>I'm new to the list, so this topic might have been discussed before. Is
>it possible to store subscribers in a database for example mysql?
>
>//eric
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From michael at firewing.org  Thu Sep 20 17:30:14 2001
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson (firewing))
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:30:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-server 4.1.0
In-Reply-To: <3BAA6AD7.5195E997@ghana.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010920082629.00b0f9f0@mail.firewing.org>

? This is the mailman mailing list. Is this really meant for the mailman 
list? It seems like this question is better sent to (I hope I'm not 
presuming too much) to the BSD list(s) or to some general Unix newbies group.

I'm not sure why someone would send an X question here. Perhaps someone can 
straighten me out.

At 03:16 PM 9/20/2001 -0700, Agbenya Adotey wrote:
>Hi All,
>I'm very new to this list.
>Please can some help with how to configure and install Xserver 4.1.0 on
>an i386 platform with Freebsd 4.2 running.
>
>Regards,
>Agbenya Adotey.
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From valites at geneseo.edu  Thu Sep 20 17:35:36 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:35:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message and approval notification mails not being sent
References: <3BA8ECB1.8050506@geneseo.edu> <24572.1000927097@kanga.nu>  <3BA8F270.1040408@geneseo.edu> <29555.1000954910@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3BAA0CC8.1060504@geneseo.edu>

Still no luck with getting emails for welcomes and approvals...
When firing the qrunner command that's in cron from shell, it appears to 
goe fine.  When invking it with the -v option, ie.:

/usr/bin/python/ -S -v /home/mailman/cron/qrunner,

I get the following in /home/mailman/logs/errors:

Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear __builtin__._
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.path
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.argv
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.ps1
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.ps2
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.exitfunc
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.exc_type
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.exc_value
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.exc_traceback
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.last_type
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.last_value
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # clear sys.last_traceback
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # restore sys.stdin
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # restore sys.stdout
Sep 20 11:23:11 2001 qrunner(26106): # restore sys.stderr

I get nothing in syslog, maillog, or mailq.

I have been adding test users from the command line with the -w y arg in 
addition to through the web interface.  I have been trying to follow 
what actually happens in the add_members code, but not knowing python, 
I've been getting a little lost in the code.  And I'm not sure if the 
above messages are significant or just from the verbose switch...


J C Lawrence wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:30:56 -0400 
>Mark T Valites <valites at geneseo.edu> wrote:
>
>>Cronjobs all appear to be running.  I've run them all from command
>>line with success too.  Is there/ which of the cronjobs sends
>>welcomes & which sends a message that approval is needed?
>>
>
>qrunner.
>


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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Sep 20 17:46:13 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:46:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] quick question
In-Reply-To: <200109191557.JAA14468@bearmtn-e0.cgd.ucar.edu>; from kfischer@cgd.ucar.edu on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:57:41AM -0600
References: <200109191557.JAA14468@bearmtn-e0.cgd.ucar.edu>
Message-ID: <20010920114613.A1199@mems-exchange.org>

On 19 September 2001, Kathy Fischer said:
> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to change the name of a mailman
> mailing list?

This is apparently a FAQ, but it's not in the actual FAQ document.

> We have a few mail lists, that the names need to be changed on.  We want
> to keep the subscriptions the same though.  Can I just change the name
> on the list, and update our alias file to reflect the changes?  Or, is
> it more involved, or possibly not possible?

It is indeed more involved, *if* you want to do it right.  Roll up your
sleeves, make yourself a nice big cup of coffee, and see
  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-August/013459.html
for the extremely gory details.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From rbacker at fenderusa.com  Thu Sep 20 18:18:06 2001
From: rbacker at fenderusa.com (Rick Backer)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:18:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many open files in system when sending out email list
Message-ID: <008f01c141ef$d4b67100$12fc020a@fender>

Too many open files in system
I get this error after sending out a email to are list. The size of the list is 149271. Does someone know what is happening to create this error
Thanks
Rick 
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Sep 20 18:37:11 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too many open files in system when sending out email list
In-Reply-To: <008f01c141ef$d4b67100$12fc020a@fender>; from rbacker@fenderusa.com on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 09:18:06AM -0700
References: <008f01c141ef$d4b67100$12fc020a@fender>
Message-ID: <20010920123711.A1406@mems-exchange.org>

On 20 September 2001, Rick Backer said:
> Too many open files in system
> 
> I get this error after sending out a email to are list. The size of
> the list is 149271. Does someone know what is happening to create this
> error

Yes, there are too many open files in the system.  That's about as clear
as kernel error messages come -- what more could you want?

BTW, you haven't mentioned which OS you're running, which Mailman
version, which Python version, or which MTA you're using.  All of these
are relevant.  How can anyone possibly give concrete answers without a
concrete question?

        Greg



From rbacker at fenderusa.com  Thu Sep 20 19:53:48 2001
From: rbacker at fenderusa.com (Rick Backer)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:53:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help getting error Too many open files in system when sending
Message-ID: <00fd01c141fd$3306cea0$12fc020a@fender>

Too many open files in system

I get this error after sending out a email to are list. The size of the list is 149271. Does someone know what is happening to create this error

I am running mailman ver 2.0.5 on a Ghz amd with 512 mem, using OS linux,GNU  kernel 2.2.19 ver  and MTA of Exim ver 3.12-10

Thanks
Rick 
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From Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com  Thu Sep 20 20:04:54 2001
From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:04:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help getting error Too many open files in system when sending
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c141fd$3306cea0$12fc020a@fender>
References: <00fd01c141fd$3306cea0$12fc020a@fender>
Message-ID: <20010920200454.M12006@innominate.com>

On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 10:53:48AM -0700, Rick Backer wrote:

> I get this error after sending out a email to are list. The size of
> the list is 149.271 Does someone know what is happening to create this
> error  

What does the log say?

> I am running mailman ver 2.0.5 on a Ghz amd with 512 mem, using OS
> linux,GNU  kernel 2.2.19 ver  and MTA of Exim ver 3.12-10  

Boost the Kernel Limits for open files etc according to:
http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#moby-linux
(yes, it's also valid for Exim)

BTW, Postfix's about 50% faster:
http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/postfix/vsqmail.html

-- 
Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.com                           innominate AG
+49.(0)30.308806-62  fax: -77                         networking people
To sysadmin or not to sysadmin... that is the question, whether tis
nobler in the minde to suffer the slings and arrowes of outragious
fortune, or climb to the top of the building with a fucking high-power
rifle and scope. 





From matthias at astrum.ch  Thu Sep 20 20:08:11 2001
From: matthias at astrum.ch (Matthias Leisi)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:08:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Maximum messages per hour" not working?
In-Reply-To: <p05101001b7cfb136cf5f@[207.149.192.229]>; from jwblist@olympus.net on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 07:49:09AM -0700
References: <20010920155459.E18167@hub.net.astrum.ch> <p05101001b7cfb136cf5f@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <20010920200811.J18167@hub.net.astrum.ch>

> >'m confused about the "Maximum number of messages your list gets in an
> >hour"-Setting under the "Bounce options" (max_posts_between_bounces). Is
>[..] 
> messages per hour).  They are highly significant on a list with one message
> a week.  It's a hint to the bounce processing (and could probably be named
> and described better:  I have the feeling that the bounce processing has
> advanced since the setting was created, named, and described).

Thank you for the explanation. Then, I have a suggestion: introduce a
setting on limiting and/or throttling the maximum number of messages within
a certain timeframe. 

We just had a night during which an ill-formed vacation program kept sending
messages to a list over and over again, and such a setting would reduce the
effect on user stupidity ,)

Regards,
Matthias



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Sep 20 20:12:19 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:12:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help getting error Too many open files in system when sending
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c141fd$3306cea0$12fc020a@fender>; from rbacker@fenderusa.com on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 10:53:48AM -0700
References: <00fd01c141fd$3306cea0$12fc020a@fender>
Message-ID: <20010920141219.A1752@mems-exchange.org>

On 20 September 2001, Rick Backer said:
> Too many open files in system
> 
> I get this error after sending out a email to are list. The size of the list is 149271. Does someone know what is happening to create this error
> 
> I am running mailman ver 2.0.5 on a Ghz amd with 512 mem, using OS linux,GNU  kernel 2.2.19 ver  and MTA of Exim ver 3.12-10

We had a similar problem on a similar system (only difference is that
we're running a 2.4 kernel).  From Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in
the Linux kernel source tree:

"""
The kernel  allocates file handles dynamically, but doesn't free them again at
this time.

The value  in  file-max  denotes  the  maximum number of file handles that the
Linux kernel will allocate. When you get a lot of error messages about running
out of  file handles, you might want to raise this limit. The default value is
4096. To change it, just write the new number into the file:

  # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max 
  4096 
  # echo 8192 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max 
  # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max 
  8192 


This method  of  revision  is  useful  for  all customizable parameters of the
kernel - simply echo the new value to the corresponding file.

The three  values  in file-nr denote the number of allocated file handles, the
number of  used file handles, and the maximum number of file handles. When the
allocated file  handles  come close to the maximum, but the number of actually
used ones  is  far  behind,  you've  encountered  a peak in your usage of file
handles and you don't need to increase the maximum.
"""

On a machine as powerful as yours, you can probably have many tens of
thousands of open files.  On our server (also with 512 MB of RAM), we
do
  echo 24576 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max
at boot time, and our "Too many open files" problem disappeared.
However, our largest list is only ~1600 subscribers.  You're two orders
of magntitude ahead of that -- wow.

Another thing you forgot to mention: how Mailman feeds messages to Exim.
I'll assume you do the standard thing and set DELIVERY_MODULE to
"SMTPDirect".

What is your setting of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS, BTW?  This is a very important
parameter that controls how many recipients Mailman asks Exim (or
whatever MTA you're using) to handle at a time.  A higher number means
less parallelism, but fewer messages in the queue.  We turned it down
from 500 (Mailman's default) to 100 to increase parallelism.  For a list
as large as yours, I'm not sure what the optimal setting is.  I hope you
have a big, fast disk for your Exim queue and logs.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From steve at neptune.on.ca  Thu Sep 20 20:44:07 2001
From: steve at neptune.on.ca (Steve Mickeler)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:44:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] solaris8 + mailman + postfix problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109201437300.16079-100000@triton.neptune.on.ca>


OS: Solaris 8 on an e420R

Postix Ver: 19991231-pl13

Mailman Ver: 2.0.6

When sending mail to a list, its not being delivered.

The messages are being sent to the $prefix/qfiles dir and just sitting
there.

The qrunner cron job is not running, and I'm not sure why.

Output from /var/cron/log shows:

<  mailman 15107 c Thu Sep 20 14:41:00 2001 rc=1
>  CMD: /usr/local/bin/python -S /export/home/mailman/cron/qrunner
>  mailman 15297 c Thu Sep 20 14:42:00 2001
! bad user (mailman) or setgid failed (mailman) Thu Sep 20 14:42:00 2001
<  mailman 15297 c Thu Sep 20 14:42:00 2001 rc=1


If I run /usr/local/bin/python -S /export/home/mailman/cron/qrunner from
command line as user mailman, it sends the messages to the list that were
stuck in the $prefix/qfiles dir.

I compiled mailman with:

./configure  --prefix=/export/home/mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody
--with-mail-gid=mailman

It compiled and installed fine.

No errors in the $prefix/logs/


Any suggestions ?


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From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Fri Sep 21 01:10:36 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:10:36 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup subscribers and settings
In-Reply-To: <B7D0283C.AC4E%tjalling.kathleen@wxs.nl>
References: <20010918145522.38ef6c73.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>
	<B7D0283C.AC4E%tjalling.kathleen@wxs.nl>
Message-ID: <20010920201036.50ad4e3b.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>

El Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:11:56 +0200
Tjalling Kikkert <tjalling.kathleen at wxs.nl> ha escrito:

> On 18-09-2001 19:55 Rodolfo Pilas wrote:

> > Is there are any way to backup subscribed users and setting of a mail
> > list?

> Try ./list_members name_of_list in mailman. All addresses will be sent
> to
> standard out, ./list_members -o file_to_write_addresses_to name_of_list
> and
> you're there.. :-)

You are right!   With the attached two scripts you can obtain a complete
tgz of the mailserver configuration.
This backup is to be run one time a day.

Of course it is very simple; in Python somebody can do something better
but I do not know python.  I sent this idea and scripts to
mailman-developers to the Mailman hackers.

-- 

 Rodolfo Pilas                  Quien los puso a estos tipos donde estan,
 rodolfo at linux.org.uy           Quien los deja seguir en su lugar,
 http://rodolfo.pilas.net       Quien los baja ahora de su altar,
 ICQ #17461636                  Quien les paga para que hagan lo que haran
 http://xtralinux.org           -=# Apocalipsis Now % Cuarteto de Nos #=-

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From 57j at starband.net  Fri Sep 21 03:01:23 2001
From: 57j at starband.net (57j)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:01:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting html posts and attachments
Message-ID: <IBENJIODPBOKFFDNGDNBKEECCGAA.57j@starband.net>

I am changing hosting services and am converting a couple of email lists
from majordomo to mailman. I currently use the regexps listed below in the
taboo headers/body section of the majordomo config file. Can someone tell me
the correct way to translate these for use in the mailman Privacy - Bounce
matching headers section?

Also, is there a way other than putting them in a password protected
directory to make the html pages for the lists inaccessible.

Thanks for your help,
Cathy


/password/
/hahaha/
/^content-type:\s*application/i
/^content-type:\s*text\/enriched/i
/^content-type:\s.*\bapplication/i
/^content-type:\s.*\btext\/enriched\b/i
/^content-type:\s.*enrich/i
/^content-type:\s*application\/ms-tnef/i
/^content-transfer-encoding:\s*base64/i
/^content-disposition:\s*attachment/i
/^X-MS-Attachment/i
/X\-Spanska\:\ Yes/
/important\ message/i
/\.doc/i
/virus/i
/ILOVEYOU/i
/^subject: ndn: /i
/^subject:\s*RCPT:/i
/^subject:\s*Delivery Confirmation\b/i
/^subject:\s*NON-DELIVERY of:/i
/^subject:\s*Undeliverable Message\b/i
/^subject:\s*Receipt Confirmation\b/i
/^subject:\s*Failed mail\b/i
/^subject:\s*Returned mail\b/i
/^subject:\s*unable to deliver mail\b/i
/^subject:\s.*\baway from my mail\b/i
/snowwhite/i
/^begin\s644/i
/^\s+winmail.dat/i
/^begin\s+[0-9]+\s+winmail.dat/i
/^begin\s+[0-7]+\x\S+\s*$/i
/important\ message/i
/\.doc/i
/Messages Appearing in this Digest Issue/
/I am out of the office/i
/<param>/




From jfesler at gigo.com  Fri Sep 21 04:24:34 2001
From: jfesler at gigo.com (Jason Fesler)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:24:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting html posts and attachments
In-Reply-To: <IBENJIODPBOKFFDNGDNBKEECCGAA.57j@starband.net>
Message-ID: <20010920192318.Q95799-100000@heaven.gigo.com>

> I am changing hosting services and am converting a couple of email lists
> from majordomo to mailman. I currently use the regexps listed below in the
> taboo headers/body section of the majordomo config file. Can someone tell me
> the correct way to translate these for use in the mailman Privacy - Bounce
> matching headers section?

Instead of restricting such posts, I neuter them.

http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html

Snarfs the *TEXT* of the message, tosses the rest of the crap.





From samarta at ci.uc.pt  Fri Sep 21 18:49:31 2001
From: samarta at ci.uc.pt (Joao Sa Marta)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:49:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing <MM-Mailman-Footer>
Message-ID: <DAELJEGEBHFNLMLDGBJPAEKBCLAA.samarta@ci.uc.pt>

Greetings,
I am using Mailman 2.0.5 and need to change the footer of the
General list information page.
How can I change the <MM-Mailman-Footer> variable ?
Is there any MM variable that contains the addresses of the list
administrators?



Best regards ,

===============================|===================================
=    Joao Sa Marta             |  Email: samarta at ci.uc.pt         =
=    Centro de Informatica     |  Tel:   239 853170               =
=    da Universidade de        |  Fax:   239 853189               =
=    Coimbra                   |                                  =
=    Apartado 3080             |                                  =
=    3049 Coimbra CODEX        |                                  =
===============================|===================================






From samarta at ci.uc.pt  Fri Sep 21 19:05:34 2001
From: samarta at ci.uc.pt (Joao Sa Marta)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:05:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing  MM-Mailman-Footer
Message-ID: <DAELJEGEBHFNLMLDGBJPAEKFCLAA.samarta@ci.uc.pt>

Greetings,
I am using Mailman 2.0.5 and need to change the footer of the
General list information page.
How can I change the <MM-Mailman-Footer> variable ?
Is there any MM variable that contains the addresses of the list
administrators?



Best regards ,

===============================|===================================
=    Joao Sa Marta             |  Email: samarta at ci.uc.pt         =
=    Centro de Informatica     |  Tel:   239 853170               =
=    da Universidade de        |  Fax:   239 853189               =
=    Coimbra                   |                                  =
=    Apartado 3080             |                                  =
=    3049 Coimbra CODEX        |                                  =
===============================|===================================






From michael at firewing.org  Fri Sep 21 19:24:23 2001
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson (firewing))
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:24:23 -0700
Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Changing  MM-Mailman-Footer
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010921102319.00afdde8@mail.firewing.org>

If you have access via a browser you can use the admin interface option to 
adjust the footer. For non-digest, it's under "Regular member (non-digest) 
Options."



>From: "Joao Sa Marta" <samarta at ci.uc.pt>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
>Importance: Normal
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing  MM-Mailman-Footer
>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 (101270)
>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:05:34 +0100
>
>
>Greetings,
>I am using Mailman 2.0.5 and need to change the footer of the
>General list information page.
>How can I change the <MM-Mailman-Footer> variable ?
>Is there any MM variable that contains the addresses of the list
>administrators?
>
>
>
>Best regards ,
>
>===============================|===================================
>=    Joao Sa Marta             |  Email: samarta at ci.uc.pt         =
>=    Centro de Informatica     |  Tel:   239 853170               =
>=    da Universidade de        |  Fax:   239 853189               =
>=    Coimbra                   |                                  =
>=    Apartado 3080             |                                  =
>=    3049 Coimbra CODEX        |                                  =
>===============================|===================================
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From tania_r76 at starmedia.com  Fri Sep 21 20:25:26 2001
From: tania_r76 at starmedia.com (Tania Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:25:26 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help please!!
Message-ID: <20010921182526.YSHX22631.fep02-svc.starmedia.com@webmail.starmedia.com>

Hi 

I'm running Mailman-2.1a2 and I got a big problem. I have a mailing list called "modulos" and everything seemed to be ok, you know, every single message was well delivered, but today I got an alarm from my monitoring system... THERE WERE NO INODES LEFT!!! in the partition where Mailman is installed

There were about 30000 files named like this heldmsg-modulos-99999.txt they started creating since 3 days ago, located in /usr/local/mailman/data The content of this files is:
>From MAILER-DAEMON at myhost.org.mx Mon Sep 17 11:43:38 2001

Can anyone tell me why happened this?

Thank you in advence...

-Tania R.

PS I deleted all those files.

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From sungashe at home.com  Fri Sep 21 20:32:04 2001
From: sungashe at home.com (Solomon Ungashe)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:32:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding Text Footer
Message-ID: <00b001c142cb$b61665c0$1e570c41@frmt1.sfba.home.com>


Hi,

I am trying to set up a mailman mailing list but I have problem including a text footer that describes the list.  Erasing the default footer and typing in the desired text does not seem to work.  Can some one help me please?  Thanks

Solomon
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From radio at broadcast.net  Thu Sep 20 03:27:13 2001
From: radio at broadcast.net (Ray Topp)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:27:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Delete
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010919182224.00956400@pop3.rconnect.com>

Is there any way to mass-delete the entire list of members.

We maintain a separate email address list, to purge dupes,
etc., and we load it to Mailman each time our newsletter is distributed.

We can do this at the server, but is there a way to do it remotely,
within the admin web-pages?

Thanks --> Ray T.


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From mtearle at tearle.com  Thu Sep 20 05:27:59 2001
From: mtearle at tearle.com (Mark Tearle)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:27:59 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL? 
In-Reply-To: <26393.1000926759@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0109201126490.20126-100000@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:51:31 -0400
> Michael Lampman <lampman at newact.com> wrote:
>
> > Would there be any possibility of getting mailman to draw the list
> > from MySQL thus making updates automatic?
>
> The version of Mailman currently in Alpha supports such operations
> via a plugin layer.  You'll have to write the adaptor for your DB to
> fit Mailman.

An example membership adaptor (for the Alpha) can be found at:

	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=457706&group_id=103&atid=300103

Yours
Mark
-- 
Mark Tearle - mark at tearle.com

"Questions are never indiscreet. Answers sometimes are." --- Oscar Wilde




From rick at iexcelinlife.com  Thu Sep 20 18:13:20 2001
From: rick at iexcelinlife.com (Rick Backer)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 09:13:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending out list and getting error message of Too many open files in system
Message-ID: <007401c141ef$2aaaa460$12fc020a@fender>

Too many open files in system
I get this error after sending out a email to are list. The size of the list is 149271. Does someone know what is happening to create this error
Thanks
Rick 
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From cjohnson at standard.net  Thu Sep 20 18:49:56 2001
From: cjohnson at standard.net (Christopher Johnson)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:49:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Open Subscription
Message-ID: <006901c141f4$4773c680$85059696@snet011>

Has anyone heard of a way to open the subscriptions on lists so that they
don't require that email confirmation? I've used mailman for many mailing
lists but I still have to use majordomo for automated lists because if this
one little thing.

===
Christopher Johnson
Standard-Examiner/StandardNET
(801)625-4336




From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Sep 21 23:44:29 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:44:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman lists
In-Reply-To: <fc.c4fbb50.28d81df3@aol.com>; from BarrytheJEW@aol.com on Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 11:48:03PM -0400
References: <fc.c4fbb50.28d81df3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20010921144429.Y9882@magic.merlins.org>

On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 11:48:03PM -0400, BarrytheJEW at aol.com wrote:
> Hello my name is Barry W.  Grubbs and I am very new to this.  Is it possible 
> to have an open subscription to a mailing list, so you don't have to have a 
> password to join?  What I want is for people to be able to subscribe to my 

Yes, edit ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, and add this:
# does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions?
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1

You should absolutely not use this feature for a machine on the internet.
Running open lists which allow any person to spam another one with unchecked
subscriptions will get your server blackholed.
However, for use on an intranet, that's fine.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From donfede at casagrau.org  Sat Sep 22 02:42:18 2001
From: donfede at casagrau.org (Federico Grau)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:42:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending out list and getting error message of Too many open files in system
In-Reply-To: <007401c141ef$2aaaa460$12fc020a@fender>; from rick@iexcelinlife.com on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 09:13:20AM -0700
References: <007401c141ef$2aaaa460$12fc020a@fender>
Message-ID: <20010921204218.D29330@casagrau.org>

On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 09:13:20AM -0700, Rick Backer wrote:
> Too many open files in system
> I get this error after sending out a email to are list. The size of the list is 149271. Does someone know what is happening to create this error
> Thanks
> Rick 

hello Rick,

first, sorry I do not have an answer... but ... 

does your list have 150k subscribers, or is the size of the list configuration
file 150k ?  I am curious becuase we have recently begun using mailman (v1.1)
for an announcement list of 16k users and wanted to compare notes on
experiences.

donfede





From bob at step.polymtl.ca  Sat Sep 22 06:31:45 2001
From: bob at step.polymtl.ca (Robert Walker)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 00:31:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with wrapper
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0109220019170.27085-100000@step.polymtl.ca>

Hi,
	I am experiencing some problems with the mailman wrapper. Actually
I believe it's a sendmail problem but I thought that maybe some of you had
had similar problems and could therefore guide me. . .
	I am still running majordomo so I setted up a symlink called
mailman_wrapper

$ ls -l /usr/local/etc/smrsh.bin/
wrapper -> /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
mailma_wrapper -> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper

I have also changed the lines in /etc/mail/aliases to reflect the previous
changes (I have even patched bin/newlists).
Every time I try to send an email to a mailing list I get the
following message back from sendmail

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post testmailman"
    (reason: service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <testmailman at step.polymtl.ca>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: mailman_wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post testmailman"...
Service unavailable


 . . . This problem is dealt with in the sendmail FAQ
(http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.34) but they recommand
making a symlink from smrsh.bin/foo to path/foo . . .which I have already
done. . . The permissions to access mailman_wrapper seem allright
(according to bin/check_perms)

and the syslog only shows
---------
...
Sep 22 00:28:11 step smrsh: uid 1: attempt to use mailman_wrapper post
testmailman
Sep 22 00:28:11 step smrsh: uid 1: attempt to use mailman_wrapper post
testmailman
Sep 22 00:28:11 step sendmail[27330]: f8M4SBM27329:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/m
ailman_wrapper post testmailman", ctladdr=<testmailman at step.polymtl.ca>
(1/0), del
ay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30047, dsn=5.0.0,
stat=Service unav
ailable
...
----



Any thoughts ?

Thanks
Robert Walker





From gustavo at ccs.univali.br  Sat Sep 22 17:20:13 2001
From: gustavo at ccs.univali.br (Gustavo Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:20:13 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user
Message-ID: <3BACAC2D.53243F1E@ccs.univali.br>

Hi pals

i?ve just installed mailman v2.0.6, taking all the steps from the
INSTALL file.
i?m running an MTA with smrsh, for precaution, i?ve created the symbolic
link under /etc/smrsh for the wrapper (README.SENDMAIL)
the software is installed and running, i can create a list, modify its
description, use the administrative interface and so on. When i create a
list, the mailman sends e-mail for users subscribed, etc, etc.
but when i try to send the confirmation to list-request at myhost, the MTA
returns
5.1.1 <list-request at myhost> User unknown...
the same happens with --> list at myhost

any guess?

best regards

Gustavo Schroeder



From matthias at astrum.ch  Sat Sep 22 17:50:48 2001
From: matthias at astrum.ch (Matthias Leisi)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 17:50:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user
In-Reply-To: <3BACAC2D.53243F1E@ccs.univali.br>; from gustavo@ccs.univali.br on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 12:20:13PM -0300
References: <3BACAC2D.53243F1E@ccs.univali.br>
Message-ID: <20010922175048.R18167@hub.net.astrum.ch>

> description, use the administrative interface and so on. When i create a
> list, the mailman sends e-mail for users subscribed, etc, etc.
> but when i try to send the confirmation to list-request at myhost, the MTA
> returns
> 5.1.1 <list-request at myhost> User unknown...
> the same happens with --> list at myhost

Did you copy the output of the newlist-command to /etc/aliases (or maybe
/etc/mail/aliases on your system)? Did you call 'newaliases' after changing
the file?

Regards,
Matthias



From howanitz at nindo.com  Sat Sep 22 18:46:00 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:46:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with wrapper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0109220019170.27085-100000@step.polymtl.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109221143230.20233-100000@chauncer.greenshire.com>

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Robert Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 	I am experiencing some problems with the mailman wrapper. Actually
> I believe it's a sendmail problem but I thought that maybe some of you had
> had similar problems and could therefore guide me. . .
> 	I am still running majordomo so I setted up a symlink called
> mailman_wrapper
>
> $ ls -l /usr/local/etc/smrsh.bin/
> wrapper -> /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
> mailma_wrapper -> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper

Here you are showing the link as named: mailma_wrapper

[SNIP]
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post testmailman"
>     (reason: service unavailable)
[SNIP]

Here you are calling: mailman_wrapper

maybe you should rename your link?




From howanitz at nindo.com  Sat Sep 22 18:48:36 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:48:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown user
In-Reply-To: <3BACAC2D.53243F1E@ccs.univali.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109221147270.20233-100000@chauncer.greenshire.com>

What is in your alias file?

-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Gustavo Schroeder wrote:

> Hi pals
>
> i?ve just installed mailman v2.0.6, taking all the steps from the
> INSTALL file.
[SNIP]
> but when i try to send the confirmation to list-request at myhost, the MTA
> returns
> 5.1.1 <list-request at myhost> User unknown...
[SNIP]




From surf at theflow.de  Sat Sep 22 19:27:21 2001
From: surf at theflow.de (Florian Munz)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 19:27:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription-problem / qmail-to-mailman
Message-ID: <010001c1438b$de0a0bc0$0100a8c0@florian>

Hello,

I'm new to Mailman and I've tried to install it today. I use qmail as MTA
and I created a virtual domain for Mailman. I use the qmail-to-mailman
script and have the following problem:

I can create a new list, everything works fine, the admin-page, the
list-info-page. But if I try to subscribe to the list I still get the
confirmation-mail. But when I reply to this, nothing happens. No
welcome-mail and on the admin-page aren't any subscriptions listed. The
subscribe-log shows:

Sep 22 17:26:40 2001 (9389) test: pending surf at theflow.de  172.178.29.49

In the pending_subscriptions.db the mail-adress is also listed.

What can be wrong? Permission-problem? check_perm reports no error. Do you
need additional information?

Thanks in advance,

Florian




From bob at step.polymtl.ca  Sat Sep 22 20:16:54 2001
From: bob at step.polymtl.ca (Robert Walker)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:16:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with wrapper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109221143230.20233-100000@chauncer.greenshire.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0109221414580.21607-100000@step.polymtl.ca>

Sorry that was a typo here's the cut and paste

$ ls -l /usr/local/etc/smrsh.bin/mailman_wrapper
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     other         39 Sep 21 23:26 mailman_wrapper ->
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper

Robert Walker

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Keith Howanitz wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Robert Walker wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > 	I am experiencing some problems with the mailman wrapper. Actually
> > I believe it's a sendmail problem but I thought that maybe some of you had
> > had similar problems and could therefore guide me. . .
> > 	I am still running majordomo so I setted up a symlink called
> > mailman_wrapper
> >
> > $ ls -l /usr/local/etc/smrsh.bin/
> > wrapper -> /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper
> > mailma_wrapper -> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper
>
> Here you are showing the link as named: mailma_wrapper
>
> [SNIP]
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post testmailman"
> >     (reason: service unavailable)
> [SNIP]
>
> Here you are calling: mailman_wrapper
>
> maybe you should rename your link?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From donfede at casagrau.org  Sat Sep 22 22:12:42 2001
From: donfede at casagrau.org (Federico Grau)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:12:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy problems with web interface
Message-ID: <20010922161242.A31566@casagrau.org>

Hello:

We're running a 16K member mailing list on version 1.1
and running into a significant privacy issue regarding
membership management.

As distributed, Mailman makes it trivial to discover 
if a given address is in fact a subscriber. If you suspect
dev at null.com has joined a list, go to the user page and
enter his address to subscribe; you'll get back a revealing
reply 'You already belong, dummy'..

We initially yanked large chunks of html from the general list
information page, but that removes all web-based user options.

Our ideal outcome is a General List Info Page with two actions:

    No password section:
    Current users get passwords (if any) mailed; with the web page
    not saying if any address is subscribed or not. If not a
    subscriber, Mailman would send a "subscription confirmation"
    notice to the potential member. (This also alerts the 'victim'
    of potential abuse.)

    Password presented sections:
    Users w/ password see no feedback until after entering a valid ID
    and pw; i.e. both non-existent users and existing ones w/bad pw's
    are both met with "Sorry, wrong password" as in a *nix login.

We looked at modifying the html on the user pages but the python
module "handle_opts" seems hard-coded into giving revealing responses.
We also glanced at Mailman 2.0.6 but it seemed to offer the same
behavior.

Has anyone else already looked into this issue, and proposed code to
solve it? We are considering writing a patch for "handle_opts" and and
submitting it but 1) don't want to fork the code, and 2) don't want
to duplicate/waste the effort.

thanks,
David and Federico






From 57j at starband.net  Sun Sep 23 05:05:44 2001
From: 57j at starband.net (57j)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:05:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting html posts and attachments
In-Reply-To: <20010920192318.Q95799-100000@heaven.gigo.com>
Message-ID: <IBENJIODPBOKFFDNGDNBKEEOCGAA.57j@starband.net>

According to the webpage, demime seems to be an add on for Majordomo. If it
is also available for MailMan I might be interested in using it in the
future. For now I would like to bounce html posts and attachments. Is there
anyway to do this with MailMan list?

Thanks, Cathy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Fesler [mailto:jfesler at gigo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:25 PM
To: 57j
Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] restricting html posts and attachments



> I am changing hosting services and am converting a couple of email lists
> from majordomo to mailman. I currently use the regexps listed below in the
> taboo headers/body section of the majordomo config file. Can someone tell
me
> the correct way to translate these for use in the mailman Privacy - Bounce
> matching headers section?

Instead of restricting such posts, I neuter them.

http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html

Snarfs the *TEXT* of the message, tosses the rest of the crap.






From michael at spconnect.com  Sun Sep 23 01:44:47 2001
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:44:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No explicit destination
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109221642540.30189-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

I need to have a list accept Bcc e-mails. In the mm_config.py, I had put:

DEFAULT_REQUIRE_EXPLICIT_DESTINATION = 0

It does not seem to work.

This is for a mailman 2.03 list.

Need help with this.

Thanks
Michael

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From yod at pnews.org  Mon Sep 24 02:38:53 2001
From: yod at pnews.org (Nisan)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:38:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Turning off non-text
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109200130070.30450-100000@atlantic.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0109232037490.4498-100000@atlantic.net>

Without the addons is there a provision in the configuration that I may
have missed for turning off non-text to keep it from appearing in the
list. On LISTSERVER we can set the config for NOMIME. Any such similar
provision here?

Hank




From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Sep 21 23:48:16 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:48:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending out list and getting error message of Too many open files in system
In-Reply-To: <007401c141ef$2aaaa460$12fc020a@fender>; from rick@iexcelinlife.com on Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 09:13:20AM -0700
References: <007401c141ef$2aaaa460$12fc020a@fender>
Message-ID: <20010921144816.Z9882@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 09:13:20AM -0700, Rick Backer wrote:
> Too many open files in system
> I get this  error after sending out  a email to are list. The  size of the
> list is 149271. Does someone know what is happening to create this error

Of course, if you told us what OS you were using, that'd give us more of a
chance to help.
On linux, try this:
# Set number of open filehandles to 64K instead of 4K
echo 65536 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max

Marc
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Sep 21 23:54:40 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help please!!
In-Reply-To: <20010921182526.YSHX22631.fep02-svc.starmedia.com@webmail.starmedia.com>; from tania_r76@starmedia.com on Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 02:25:26PM -0400
References: <20010921182526.YSHX22631.fep02-svc.starmedia.com@webmail.starmedia.com>
Message-ID: <20010921145440.A9882@magic.merlins.org>

On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 02:25:26PM -0400, Tania Rodriguez wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> I'm running Mailman-2.1a2 and I got a big problem. I have a mailing list called "modulos" and everything seemed to be ok, you know, every single message was well delivered, but today I got an alarm from my monitoring system... THERE WERE NO INODES LEFT!!! in the partition where Mailman is installed
> 
> There were about 30000 files named like this heldmsg-modulos-99999.txt they started creating since 3 days ago, located in /usr/local/mailman/data The content of this files is:
> >From MAILER-DAEMON at myhost.org.mx Mon Sep 17 11:43:38 2001
> 
> Can anyone tell me why happened this?

Sure: something is spamming your modulos list, but the headers do not
contain the list name, so messages are held.
You then have either no list admin for that list, or whoever is list admin
is not acting on the admin messages, so more messages pile up until you run
out of inodes

Marc
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From notele at gmx.de  Sun Sep 23 00:27:09 2001
From: notele at gmx.de (NoTele)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:27:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions concerning Mailman
Message-ID: <005c01c143b5$b8505ae0$0201a8c0@hobbes>

Hello...

I'd like to know if there exists an manual for your program, and if so, where could I find it?

Greetings...

Patrick Zimmer
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From michael at firewing.org  Mon Sep 24 06:05:50 2001
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson - fw)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:05:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions concerning Mailman
In-Reply-To: <005c01c143b5$b8505ae0$0201a8c0@hobbes>
Message-ID: <NBEDIDMNHNJJPNOFMJHLMEOKDDAA.michael@firewing.org>

Why not here:

http://www.list.org/

leads to:


http://web.aurora.edu/~ckolar//mailman/
http://www.list.org/admins.html
http://www.list.org/faq.html


As well as numerous other places, like the package itself?
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of NoTele
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 3:27 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions concerning Mailman


Hello...

I'd like to know if there exists an manual for your program, and if so,
where could I find it?

Greetings...

Patrick Zimmer




From surf at theflow.de  Mon Sep 24 13:02:42 2001
From: surf at theflow.de (Florian Munz)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:02:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail/vmailmgr
Message-ID: <00ad01c144e8$771e4b20$0100a8c0@florian>

Hello,

is anybody using Mailman with qmail _and_ vmailmgr? Please email me.

thanks,

Florian Munz




From valites at geneseo.edu  Mon Sep 24 15:09:19 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:09:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem subscribing to lists via web
Message-ID: <3BAF307F.5060207@geneseo.edu>

I'm having a problem here when any user tries to subscribe to a list via 
the web.  When adding them from command line, it works fine.  This is 
the dump I get to the mailman error log.  Ideas?

Sep 24 08:46:44 2001 admin(21891): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(21891): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
admin(21891): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(21891): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(21891):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(21891):     main()
admin(21891):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 53, 
in main
admin(21891):     process_form(mlist, doc)
admin(21891):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 164, 
in process_form
admin(21891):     mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
admin(21891):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 982, in 
AddMember
admin(21891):     cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
admin(21891):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 67, in new
admin(21891):     db = self.__load()
admin(21891):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 97, in __load
admin(21891):     return marshal.load(fp)
admin(21891): EOFError: EOF read where object expected
admin(21891): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(21891): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Aug  5 2001, 17:38:46)  [GCC 3.0]
admin(21891): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(21891): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(21891): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(21891): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(21891): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(21891): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(21891):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/mailman//DIR//mail./NAME/.edu
admin(21891):   SERVER_ADDR: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
admin(21891):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(21891):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 86
admin(21891):   HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
admin(21891):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(21891):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/mailman//DIR//mail./NAMR/ .edu/orientation-l
admin(21891):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix)
admin(21891):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(21891):   UNIQUE_ID: O68rM4nuAWQAAATMGmo
admin(21891):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(21891):   REMOTE_ADDR: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
admin(21891):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(21891):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(21891):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.12; 
Mac_PowerPC)
admin(21891):   HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(21891):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/orientation-l
admin(21891):   HTTP_UA_CPU: PPC
admin(21891):   HTTP_EXTENSION: Security/Remote-Passphrase
admin(21891):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(21891):   PATH_INFO: /orientation-l
admin(21891):   HTTP_HOST: mail./NAME/.edu
admin(21891):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(21891):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 Server at 
mailman./NAME/.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(21891):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe
admin(21891):   SERVER_ADMIN: root@/NAME/.edu
admin(21891):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin//subscribe
admin(21891):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(21891):   HTTP_REFERER: 
http://mail./NAME/.edu/mailman/listinfo/orientation-l
admin(21891):   TZ: US/Eastern
admin(21891):   SERVER_NAME: mailman./NAME/.edu
admin(21891):   REMOTE_PORT: 5017Sep 24 08:46:44 2001 admin(21891):






From jkenton at iastate.edu  Mon Sep 24 20:09:10 2001
From: jkenton at iastate.edu (Jeffrey M. Kenton)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:09:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?
Message-ID: <p0501041cb7d5265c90d1@[129.186.123.32]>

I am trying to use Mailman 2.0.6 to set up some email lists, but the 
general options page refers to a setting called Umbrella_list. I 
don't see any other references to an umbrella_list except where it 
says:

Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists, 
according to setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting.

Where do I need to tell this list that it is an umbrella list for other lists?

Barring this, how can I set this list to accept messages sent from 
other mailman lists?

Thanks

Jeff
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____________________________________________________________
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N058A Lagomarcino                        jkenton at iastate.edu
Ames, IA 50011                                  515 294 0228

    "Security is a process, not a product." - Bruce Schneier



From jonc at haht.com  Mon Sep 24 20:47:54 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?
References: <p0501041cb7d5265c90d1@[129.186.123.32]>
Message-ID: <000f01c14529$6c0a3af0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Read the details for the selection:
  Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead of directly to
user.

This is the option directly above where you set the suffix for Umbrella
lists.
The phrasing is odd and (IMO) should actually read: Is this an Umbrella list
(a list that includes other mailman lists): yes or no

I just joined the list today, so I hope I'm not out of bounds...

Jon Carnes
Long-time Mailman user, first time email-list

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey M. Kenton" <jkenton at iastate.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 2:09 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?


> I am trying to use Mailman 2.0.6 to set up some email lists, but the
> general options page refers to a setting called Umbrella_list. I
> don't see any other references to an umbrella_list except where it
> says:
>
> Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists,
> according to setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting.
>
> Where do I need to tell this list that it is an umbrella list for other
lists?
>
> Barring this, how can I set this list to accept messages sent from
> other mailman lists?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
> --
> ____________________________________________________________
> Jeff Kenton                College of Education Tech Support
> N058A Lagomarcino                        jkenton at iastate.edu
> Ames, IA 50011                                  515 294 0228
>
>     "Security is a process, not a product." - Bruce Schneier
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From antoche at altern.org  Mon Sep 24 10:22:36 2001
From: antoche at altern.org (Antoine Bouthors)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:22:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list password lost
Message-ID: <006a01c144d2$11914ac0$030267c1@antoche>

Hi, I'm the manager of the orion3d-dev at lists.sourceforge.net list, and I forgot its password, so no one can modify its parameters or validate admin requests. Is there a way to retrieve it somewhere ? I found nothing about it in the Mailman doc.

Thank you for your help and your great lists,
Antoine Bouthors
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From bga at bug-br.org.br  Mon Sep 24 21:23:31 2001
From: bga at bug-br.org.br (Bruno G. Albuquerque)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:23:31 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD + Mailman 2.06 + Sendmail problem.
Message-ID: <00038ebb28091d8c_mailit@listas.no.com.br>

Hello.

    I'm not sure if this is the right place to look for help, but I hope so. 
I running Mailman in a FreeBSD box with sendmail as the MTA and I'm having a 
problem.

   The queued files are taking *AGES* to get processed. For instnce, since 
yesterday I have 35 *.msg files in the qfiles dir and no email has been 
delivered to the list in this period. Looking at the dates in the lock files, 
I can see that qrunner is actually taking some minutes to run 5 to 10, but 
after it finishes running it looks it did nothing at all (no emails are 
delivered)! I couldn't find anything relevant in the qrunner log file.

    BTW, I did read the FAQ and I saw the first answer in the FAQ may be the 
answer to my problem, but I scanned the sendmail.cf file from top to bottom 
and couldn't find an option to configure the DNS resolution. Anyway, qrunner 
seems to be the problem as it simply does nothign after running.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks!

    -Bruno
   
-- 
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      Grupo Brasileiro de Usuarios de BeOS - Presidente
                                   http://www.bug-br.org.br




From jobrooks at us.dhl.com  Mon Sep 24 23:36:04 2001
From: jobrooks at us.dhl.com (Jo Brooks)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD + Mailman 2.06 + Sendmail problem.
References: <00038ebb28091d8c_mailit@listas.no.com.br>
Message-ID: <3BAFA744.AB3A37E@us.dhl.com>

If you have archiving enabled, check the size of the archive if this 
is a high traffic list.

I ran into this problem a month or so ago, with one of our internal
lists.  It was taking so long to add the message to the archives
that the qrunner process could never finish processing the messages
and deliver them.  The messages would get posted to the archives
successfully, but never ever get delivered...they'd just stay in 
the qfiles directory.

And only that one list was affected...all the other lists on that
server were fine.  

By pure dumb luck, I discovered that the archive that I had thought
was disabled had grown to 26Mb and was still climbing.

This even slowed down access to the admin webpages to the point
of uselessness, but once I finally got in and turned off archiving,
everything went back to its normal speedy self.

I also never heard anyone say if they've seen this problem before,
or if there's a workaround (we are not archiving, so it's not a
problem, but i'd imagine that it could prove to be a major issue
for someone out there).


JoJo Brooks
DHL Worldwide Express


"Bruno G. Albuquerque" wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
>     I'm not sure if this is the right place to look for help, but I hope so.
> I running Mailman in a FreeBSD box with sendmail as the MTA and I'm having a
> problem.
> 
>    The queued files are taking *AGES* to get processed. For instnce, since
> yesterday I have 35 *.msg files in the qfiles dir and no email has been
> delivered to the list in this period. Looking at the dates in the lock files,
> I can see that qrunner is actually taking some minutes to run 5 to 10, but
> after it finishes running it looks it did nothing at all (no emails are
> delivered)! I couldn't find anything relevant in the qrunner log file.
> 
>     BTW, I did read the FAQ and I saw the first answer in the FAQ may be the
> answer to my problem, but I scanned the sendmail.cf file from top to bottom
> and couldn't find an option to configure the DNS resolution. Anyway, qrunner
> seems to be the problem as it simply does nothign after running.
> 
>     Any ideas?
> 
>     Thanks!
> 
>     -Bruno
> 
> --
> Bruno G. Albuquerque     bga at bug-br.org.br     BeDevId #15362
>       Grupo Brasileiro de Usuarios de BeOS - Presidente
>                                    http://www.bug-br.org.br
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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Sep 24 23:43:35 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:43:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list password lost
References: <006a01c144d2$11914ac0$030267c1@antoche>
Message-ID: <005601c14541$f6c5e640$0b04010a@JCARNES>

As far as I know there is no way to retrieve the password, but do not
despair, an admin for that box can reset the administrative password for
you.  When logged into the box that runs the Mailman app, the admin can
changed to the Mailman home directory and go to the ./bin subdir and set the
administrative password for your list.

If you don't have that power, you'll have to get the local admin to do it
for you.

HTH - Jon Carnes
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Antoine Bouthors
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:22 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list password lost


  Hi, I'm the manager of the orion3d-dev at lists.sourceforge.net list, and I
forgot its password, so no one can modify its parameters or validate admin
requests. Is there a way to retrieve it somewhere ? I found nothing about it
in the Mailman doc.

  Thank you for your help and your great lists,
  Antoine Bouthors
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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Sep 24 23:50:57 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:50:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD + Mailman 2.06 + Sendmail problem.
References: <00038ebb28091d8c_mailit@listas.no.com.br>
Message-ID: <005c01c14542$fe5ab4c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Just a thought but have you setup the smrsh entry for Mailman...
  wrapper -> ~mailman/mail/wrapper

Sendmail defaults to using smrsh (in linux the smrsh directory is
/etc/smrsh).  Sendmail will only let mail run scripts and sub-programs that
have a link in the smrsh subdirectory.

Does any mail ever get processed?  Does any Mailman mail ever get processed?

HtH - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruno G. Albuquerque" <bga at bug-br.org.br>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD + Mailman 2.06 + Sendmail problem.


> Hello.
>
>     I'm not sure if this is the right place to look for help, but I hope
so.
> I running Mailman in a FreeBSD box with sendmail as the MTA and I'm having
a
> problem.
>
>    The queued files are taking *AGES* to get processed. For instnce, since
> yesterday I have 35 *.msg files in the qfiles dir and no email has been
> delivered to the list in this period. Looking at the dates in the lock
files,
> I can see that qrunner is actually taking some minutes to run 5 to 10, but
> after it finishes running it looks it did nothing at all (no emails are
> delivered)! I couldn't find anything relevant in the qrunner log file.
>
>     BTW, I did read the FAQ and I saw the first answer in the FAQ may be
the
> answer to my problem, but I scanned the sendmail.cf file from top to
bottom
> and couldn't find an option to configure the DNS resolution. Anyway,
qrunner
> seems to be the problem as it simply does nothign after running.
>
>     Any ideas?
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     -Bruno
>
> --
> Bruno G. Albuquerque     bga at bug-br.org.br     BeDevId #15362
>       Grupo Brasileiro de Usuarios de BeOS - Presidente
>                                    http://www.bug-br.org.br
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From byang at utmem.edu  Tue Sep 25 00:19:14 2001
From: byang at utmem.edu (Bili Yang)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:19:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to set to disable or approval needed for emails with attachment?
Message-ID: <NEBBIBADIMKAGJALGKIEAECECBAA.byang@utmem.edu>

Hi, everyone,

Is anybody know how to set to disable or approval needed for emails with
attachment with mailman 2.0.1?

Thanks!

Bili Yang





From maillist at spotteddog.com  Tue Sep 25 01:24:42 2001
From: maillist at spotteddog.com (Mailing List, Spotted Dog)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:24:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senddigests still running
Message-ID: <OOEAJNMEDCNHFBOABKIFCEOPDNAA.maillist@spotteddog.com>

	I noticed by watching the output of top -c that every minute or so as it
should qrunner executes and goes away. I have had the mailman running on my
server for a couple days now and noticed that senddigests.py is still
running. It has an elapsed time of around 57 hours right now. To make
things more distinct, there are two instances of it running. They are only
using 1.1 of cpu and 7.7 or mem, which isn't a lot but,
1. should they still be running?
2. should it be two of them running?
3. I have no "Digest-mode users, so should it be running at all?

	It is a Cobalt RaQ2 Mips, 32MB ram, MIPS processor, Red Hat Variant with
Sendmail, Mailman-2.0.6 and Python 1.6.1




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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Sep 25 03:03:53 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:03:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD + Mailman 2.06 + Sendmail problem.
References: <00038ebb28091d8c_mailit@listas.no.com.br> <005c01c14542$fe5ab4c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00038ebd4def865a_mailit@listas.no.com.br>
Message-ID: <002301c1455d$f3320060$6501a8c0@anncons2>

Hmmm... What does the lock file directory look like?  (In other words, are
the files locked...)

I had a problem where one of my admins upgraded his browser to a special one
that didn't do cookies right and he would regularly lock up the queues that
he was admin-ing.  The ~mailman/lock directory showed the processes and keep
the queues locked.

Jon Carnes




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Tue Sep 25 03:48:16 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:48:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109241847180.24691-100000@pretorious.net>

I've just spent most of an entire evening trying to understand where
Mailman (i.e., the scripts that build Mailman - configure & make - and
Mailman itself) gets its identity from. I'm attempting to install Mailman
on the host charlie. charlie is the web host for pretorious.net and
funkymonkeybutt.com. A reverse-DNS lookup of charlie's IP address
will return pretorious.net. Mailman will only be accessible via
www.funkymonkey.com (once I get it installed and configured correctly).

I've tried modifying the 'www' and 'url' values of configure and
configure.in

I've tried passing --host and --target to ./configure

I've tried modifying Mailman/mm_cfg.py

...and nothing seems to work in a predictable manner. _Sometimes_ the
values that the cgi scripts return (via HTTP) contain the hostname
'charlie' and _sometimes_ they contain one of the values set using the
methods listed above. e.g., If I use `hostname www.funkymonkeybutt.com` to
temporarily set the hostname env value, `make` begins using pretorious.net
instead of charlie.  And Mailman pretty much ignores the Mailman/mm_cfg.py
values.

Everyone seems to talk about Mailman like it practically installs itself
and then goes about laying golden eggs. What could possibly be causing me
to be the only person on this list with basic installation?

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Tue Sep 25 05:50:33 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:50:33 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CPU Usage in 2.1a2
Message-ID: <20010925005033.113b636a.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>

Hello,

Perhaps somebody can explain me why I have a task (mailman) to eat all of
my CPU:

60 processes: 56 sleeping, 4 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states:  5.1% user, 94.8% system,  0.0% nice,  0.0% idle
Mem:   259688K av,  154984K used,  104704K free,       0K shrd,   90484K
buff
Swap:  385552K av,   12004K used,  373548K free                   25160K
cached

  PID USER     PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
25893 root      14   0  3688 3688  2468 R    99.0  1.4   2:42 python
bin/mailmanctl start
25899 root       2   0   924  924   732 R     0.7  0.3   0:01 top


Sometimes I have two python task eating 50% of my CPU each one.

It is normal?
How many time these task are overload the CPU?

-- 

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From dball at wcom.ca  Tue Sep 25 05:57:03 2001
From: dball at wcom.ca (David Ball)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:57:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CPU Usage in 2.1a2
In-Reply-To: <20010925005033.113b636a.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10109242352290.4969-100000@troll160.uunet.ca>

	I have experienced the same problem recently (v2.0.6), and ended
up
having to disable the Mailman web interface as Python2.1 procs were taking
down my
machine (a mere P75 w/16MB or ram, which may account for the problem).
Unless I killed the processes immediately, all daemons would eventually
shut down (sshd, apache, even login), requiring me to reboot the
machine when I got home.

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Rodolfo Pilas wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Perhaps somebody can explain me why I have a task (mailman) to eat all of
> my CPU:
> 
> 60 processes: 56 sleeping, 4 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU states:  5.1% user, 94.8% system,  0.0% nice,  0.0% idle
> Mem:   259688K av,  154984K used,  104704K free,       0K shrd,   90484K
> buff
> Swap:  385552K av,   12004K used,  373548K free                   25160K
> cached
> 
>   PID USER     PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
> 25893 root      14   0  3688 3688  2468 R    99.0  1.4   2:42 python
> bin/mailmanctl start
> 25899 root       2   0   924  924   732 R     0.7  0.3   0:01 top
> 
> 
> Sometimes I have two python task eating 50% of my CPU each one.
> 
> It is normal?
> How many time these task are overload the CPU?
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Rodolfo Pilas                  Quien los puso a estos tipos donde estan,
>  rodolfo at linux.org.uy           Quien los deja seguir en su lugar,
>  http://rodolfo.pilas.net       Quien los baja ahora de su altar,
>  ICQ #17461636                  Quien les paga para que hagan lo que haran
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> 
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>    key fingerprint = DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0  48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch  Tue Sep 25 08:43:43 2001
From: alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch (Alain Chappuis)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:43:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?
Message-ID: <3BB0279F.2BE57AEE@medecine.unige.ch>

>Read the details for the selection:
>  Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead of directly to
>user.

>This is the option directly above where you set the suffix for Umbrella
>lists.
>The phrasing is odd and (IMO) should actually read: Is this an Umbrella list
>(a list that includes other mailman lists): yes or no

>I just joined the list today, so I hope I'm not out of bounds...

Okay, but please more details, What does it make understand by 
Umbrella? It's for the sun?...or what others.

For we who do not speak very well English, I did not
understand the sens of this option yet. 
(I am very new in this mailing list!)

Thank you in advance for your precision.
Alain.
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From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Tue Sep 25 09:05:48 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109241847180.24691-100000@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109242354340.25138-100000@pretorious.net>

More head-scratching: I've basically removed any traces of the
hostname/domain pretorious.net. Starting with fresh source code...

I've set the system name using `hostname www`

I've set the system domain name using `domainname funkymonkeybutt.com`

I've set the options --build, --host, and --target when using ./configure.

I've configured DEFAULT_HOSTNAME and DEFAULT_URL in Mailman/mm_cfg.py to
correct the values (i.e., pretorious.net) in Mailman/Default.py,

...but this flaming hunk of python still pulls the wrong values out of its
butt! (i.e., pretorious.net) Am I on Candid Camera or something?!

Aaaagghh!!!

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Tue Sep 25 09:21:28 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010924235931.02e8ee98@gopostal.onlinepolicy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109250015440.25138-100000@pretorious.net>

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

> At 12:05 AM 9/25/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >More head-scratching: I've basically removed any traces of the
> >hostname/domain pretorious.net.
> >
> >...but this flaming hunk of python still pulls the wrong values out of its
> >butt! (i.e., pretorious.net) Am I on Candid Camera or something?!
>
> What's the reverse DNS lookup of your primary IP address?

Reverse-DNS returns pretorious.net for the server's _only_ IP address:
216.163.153.154.

It gets wierder, though: Now cgi-bin/admin and cgi-bin/listinfo can't
agree on the text that's displayed across the light-blue banner at the top
of the page: admin displays "pretorious.net mailing lists"  and listinfo
tells visitors about the "www.funkymonkeybutt.com Mailing Lists"

The flame burns higher and the hunk flies farther...

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Tue Sep 25 09:40:39 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109242354340.25138-100000@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109250027030.25138-100000@pretorious.net>

Here are the system values that I set before configuring:

  `hostname www`
  `hostname funkymonkeybutt.com`

Here are the settings I used to configure Mailman:

  --build=funkymonkeybutt.com
  --host=www
  --target=/cgi-bin/mailman

...and the values I used in Mailman/mm-cfg.py (Pay special attention to
the capitalization of the values):

  DEFAULT_HOSTNAME=Funkymonkeybutt.com
  DEFAULT_URL=fUnkymonkeybutt.com

Here are the only places that I'm seeing those values reflected:

  cgi-bin/admin: The banner across the top... Funkymonkeybutt.com
  cgi-listinfo: The banner across the top... www.funkymonkeybutt.com

What strikes me is:
1. The two different values IN THE SAME LOCATION on the page.
2. The fact that I never used the entire string "www.funkymonkeybutt.com"
   during configuration.
3. grep'ing the $prefix directory recursively reveal only two instances of
   the string "pretorious.net" - Both are in Mailman/Defaults.py - yet
   the same string still finds it's way into the mailman-owner address.

It's not vaporware, it's crack-ware! Pass me the lighter, please.

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From alessio at albourne.com  Tue Sep 25 09:53:59 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:53:59 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this a feature or a bug?
Message-ID: <3BB03817.FA6C25F@albourne.com>

I have a brand-new installed Mailman 2.0.6 on mydomain.com. I set up an
announcement list configured as follow:

host_name		mydomain.com (default)
reply_goes_to_list	Explicit Address
reply_to_address	info at otherdomain.com

In fact, I want to force all replies to some contact address on another
domain.

Messages go out fine, but the Reply-To header is created as
Reply-To: info at mydomain.com

Mailman seems to use the host_name to create the reply address even if
it's set to some other domain. Is it a bug? A feature? Or maybe a
problem with my MTA (Sendmail)?

TIA

-- 
Alessio F. Bragadini		alessio at albourne.com
APL Financial Services		http://village.albourne.com
Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

"It is more complicated than you think"
		-- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925



From matthias at astrum.ch  Tue Sep 25 11:05:23 2001
From: matthias at astrum.ch (Matthias Leisi)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:05:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this a feature or a bug?
In-Reply-To: <3BB03817.FA6C25F@albourne.com>; from alessio@albourne.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:53:59AM +0300
References: <3BB03817.FA6C25F@albourne.com>
Message-ID: <20010925110523.G16654@hub.net.astrum.ch>

> reply_to_address	info at otherdomain.com
>[..] 
> Messages go out fine, but the Reply-To header is created as
> Reply-To: info at mydomain.com

Do you use sendmails MASQUERADE_AS and/or any of the masquerade FEATUREs?
Sendmail has puzzled me with those settings and reply_to_address, until I
turned all the masquerading-stuff of.

HTH,
Matthias



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Sep 25 15:40:38 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:40:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?
References: <3BB0279F.2BE57AEE@medecine.unige.ch>
Message-ID: <004301c145c7$a9a7f610$0b04010a@JCARNES>

An Umbrella List is a list of other lists.
For example, you have the following lists running in Mailman:
  ThreeBlindMice: Minnie at farm.org, Mighty at cartoon.net, Mickey at disney.com
  ThreeBears: Smokey at usda.gov, Little at pbs.org, Momma at mgoose.net
  ThreeMenNaTub: Rub at tub.org, Dub at tub.org, Little at pbs.org

You can create an Umbrella List called, "Threesomes" and instead of people,
it will contain the above list names.  When you send email to Threesomes, it
goes to each of the individual lists...
  Threesomes: ThreeBlindMice at mylists.com, ThreeBears at mylists.com,
ThreeMenNaTub at mylists.com

When mailman sends out a monthly password reminder, it sends an email to
every person in its lists.  If it did that for the Umbrella List
"Threesomes", then it would treat "ThreeBlindMice" as an ordinary user.
Mailman would send an email to "ThreeBlindMice" that contained the password
for subscribing or unsubscribing it to the list "ThreeSomes".  Everyone on
the "ThreeBlindMice" list would receive that message with the password.  Now
that is fine in the case of Minnie and Mighty, but Mickey has been known to
do a few silly things in his time...

You can keep Mickey from getting the password by telling Mailman to send
this type of information to "ThreeBlindMice-owner" instead of to
"ThreeBlindMice".

By making "Threesomes" into an Umbrella List, you can tell Mailman to add
"-owner" to any notices, confirmations and passwords that it sends out to
list members.

Personally, I would like to see Umbrella Lists do more than just that.  IMO,
they should only send one message out to each actual user, regardless of how
many lists that user is on.  Currently, if a user is on multiple lists that
are under one Umbrella list, then that user will receive multiple mailings
from one message sent to the Umbrella list.  In the example above,
Little at pbs.org would receive two messages everytime someone sent an email to
"Threesomes".

BTW: there is a work around for that using a script and a cron job to create
a separate mass list - but that's not pretty.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alain Chappuis" <alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch>
To: "Mailmain" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?


> >Read the details for the selection:
> >  Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead of directly to
> >user.
>
> >This is the option directly above where you set the suffix for Umbrella
> >lists.
> >The phrasing is odd and (IMO) should actually read: Is this an Umbrella
list
> >(a list that includes other mailman lists): yes or no
>
> >I just joined the list today, so I hope I'm not out of bounds...
>
> Okay, but please more details, What does it make understand by
> Umbrella? It's for the sun?...or what others.
>
> For we who do not speak very well English, I did not
> understand the sens of this option yet.
> (I am very new in this mailing list!)
>
> Thank you in advance for your precision.
> Alain.
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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Sep 25 15:49:39 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:49:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this a feature or a bug?
References: <3BB03817.FA6C25F@albourne.com>
Message-ID: <005401c145c8$ebfd8240$0b04010a@JCARNES>

>, I want to force all replies to some contact address on another
> domain.
>
> Messages go out fine, but the Reply-To header is created as
> Reply-To: info at mydomain.com
>
> Mailman seems to use the host_name to create the reply address even if
> it's set to some other domain. Is it a bug? A feature? Or maybe a
> problem with my MTA (Sendmail)?
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Alessio F. Bragadini alessio at albourne.com

Interesting...  You can, of course, create a local alias that forwards to
the address you want, and then just use that local alias in the Explicit
address.

BTW: what MTA are you using?  Sendmail, Postfix, Exim...





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Sep 25 17:08:07 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:08:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109250027030.25138-100000@pretorious.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109242354340.25138-100000@pretorious.net> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109250027030.25138-100000@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <20010925110807.A1067@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 September 2001, eric-mailman at pretorious.net said:
> Here are the system values that I set before configuring:
> 
>   `hostname www`
>   `hostname funkymonkeybutt.com`

A Unix host has one hostname.  One.  Typically, that hostname has *no
dots* in it -- ie. DNS domain names just don't enter into it.  (ISTR
that Red Hat really likes hostnames with dots in them, though.)

> Here are the settings I used to configure Mailman:
> 
>   --build=funkymonkeybutt.com
>   --host=www
>   --target=/cgi-bin/mailman

Umm, where did you get the idea that those are even remotely relevant?
>From "./configure --help" (for *any* autoconf-generated configure script
-- this has nothing to do with Mailman):

  Host type:
    --build=BUILD           configure for building on BUILD [BUILD=HOST]
    --host=HOST             configure for HOST [guessed]
    --target=TARGET         configure for TARGET [TARGET=HOST]

These options are for cross-compilation.  If you're not building Mailman
on architecture FOO to run on architecture BAR, they are utterly
irrelevant.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From alaric at babcom.com  Tue Sep 25 17:40:26 2001
From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:40:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?
In-Reply-To: <004301c145c7$a9a7f610$0b04010a@JCARNES>; from jonc@haht.com on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:40:38AM -0400
References: <3BB0279F.2BE57AEE@medecine.unige.ch> <004301c145c7$a9a7f610$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20010925084026.B19462@babylon5.babcom.com>

Might I suggest that the following very clear explanation be added to the 
mailman documentation?


On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:40:38AM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> An Umbrella List is a list of other lists.
> For example, you have the following lists running in Mailman:
>   ThreeBlindMice: Minnie at farm.org, Mighty at cartoon.net, Mickey at disney.com
>   ThreeBears: Smokey at usda.gov, Little at pbs.org, Momma at mgoose.net
>   ThreeMenNaTub: Rub at tub.org, Dub at tub.org, Little at pbs.org
> 
> You can create an Umbrella List called, "Threesomes" and instead of people,
> it will contain the above list names.  When you send email to Threesomes, it
> goes to each of the individual lists...
>   Threesomes: ThreeBlindMice at mylists.com, ThreeBears at mylists.com,
> ThreeMenNaTub at mylists.com
> 
> When mailman sends out a monthly password reminder, it sends an email to
> every person in its lists.  If it did that for the Umbrella List
> "Threesomes", then it would treat "ThreeBlindMice" as an ordinary user.
> Mailman would send an email to "ThreeBlindMice" that contained the password
> for subscribing or unsubscribing it to the list "ThreeSomes".  Everyone on
> the "ThreeBlindMice" list would receive that message with the password.  Now
> that is fine in the case of Minnie and Mighty, but Mickey has been known to
> do a few silly things in his time...
> 
> You can keep Mickey from getting the password by telling Mailman to send
> this type of information to "ThreeBlindMice-owner" instead of to
> "ThreeBlindMice".
> 
> By making "Threesomes" into an Umbrella List, you can tell Mailman to add
> "-owner" to any notices, confirmations and passwords that it sends out to
> list members.
> 
> Personally, I would like to see Umbrella Lists do more than just that.  IMO,
> they should only send one message out to each actual user, regardless of how
> many lists that user is on.  Currently, if a user is on multiple lists that
> are under one Umbrella list, then that user will receive multiple mailings
> from one message sent to the Umbrella list.  In the example above,
> Little at pbs.org would receive two messages everytime someone sent an email to
> "Threesomes".
> 
> BTW: there is a work around for that using a script and a cron job to create
> a separate mass list - but that's not pretty.


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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Sep 25 18:57:04 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD + Mailman 2.06 + Sendmail problem. 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Bruno G. Albuquerque" <bga@bug-br.org.br> 
   of "Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:23:31 -0300." <00038ebb28091d8c_mailit@listas.no.com.br> 
References: <00038ebb28091d8c_mailit@listas.no.com.br> 
Message-ID: <22725.1001437024@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:23:31 -0300 
Bruno G Albuquerque <bga at bug-br.org.br> wrote:

> Hello.  I'm not sure if this is the right place to look for help,
> but I hope so. I running Mailman in a FreeBSD box with sendmail as
> the MTA and I'm having a problem.

1) You're running Sendmail.  You'd be wise to change to a more
performant MTA.  Recommend either Exim or Postfix depending on your
background and needs (see archives for discussion).

2) Its likely you have Sendmail configured to do DNS verifies os
messages received from localhost (and everywhere else).  Turn it
off.  This is a major performance burner.

3) Install a local cacheing name server.

4) More recent versions of Mailman handle the queues better than
older.

> BTW, I did read the FAQ and I saw the first answer in the FAQ
> may be the answer to my problem, but I scanned the sendmail.cf
> file from top to bottom and couldn't find an option to configure
> the DNS resolution. 

Chuq Von Rospach has posted instructions here or to -developers (see
the archives).

> Anyway, qrunner seems to be the problem as it simply does nothign
> after running.

Without seeing your system I can't say exactly that it is doing.  If
you're running an older Mailman version it may just be lock
contention.  Try removing ~/locks/*, and then running qrunner from
the appropriate UID which watching the relevant logs (both Mailman's
and your MTAs).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Tue Sep 25 20:00:22 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:00:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20010925110807.A1067@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109251053510.25138-100000@pretorious.net>

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Greg Ward wrote:

> On 25 September 2001, eric-mailman at pretorious.net said:
> > Here are the system values that I set before configuring:
> >
> >   `hostname www`
> >   `hostname funkymonkeybutt.com`
>
> A Unix host has one hostname.  One...

A typo on my part: I used `domainname funkymonkeybutt.com`
                           ^^^^^^^^^^
> > Here are the settings I used to configure Mailman:
> >
> >   --build=funkymonkeybutt.com
> >   --host=www
> >   --target=/cgi-bin/mailman
>
> Umm, where did you get the idea that those are even remotely relevant?

<sarcasm>Given the overwhelmingly thorough documentation that comes with
Mailman, I can't imagine why anyone would experiment with anything that
remotely resembles a glimpse of hope but isn't referenced in the
documentation.</sarcasm>

>From "./configure --help" (for *any* autoconf-generated configure script
> -- this has nothing to do with Mailman):
>
>   Host type:
>     --build=BUILD           configure for building on BUILD [BUILD=HOST]
>     --host=HOST             configure for HOST [guessed]
>     --target=TARGET         configure for TARGET [TARGET=HOST]
>
> These options are for cross-compilation.  If you're not building Mailman
> on architecture FOO to run on architecture BAR, they are utterly
> irrelevant.

So do you have any answers? Or just bullets to shoot holes in my [futile]
attempts to get Mailman to function logically?

I was just using these to see if they had any affect at all on the way
Mailman functions. They don't. Now I know why. Thanks.

Bah humbug!

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Sep 25 20:25:16 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:25:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109251053510.25138-100000@pretorious.net>
References: <20010925110807.A1067@mems-exchange.org> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109251053510.25138-100000@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <20010925142516.A9363@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 September 2001, eric-mailman at pretorious.net said:
> <sarcasm>Given the overwhelmingly thorough documentation that comes with
> Mailman, I can't imagine why anyone would experiment with anything that
> remotely resembles a glimpse of hope but isn't referenced in the
> documentation.</sarcasm>

I can sympathize.  I don't like underdocumented software either.

> So do you have any answers? Or just bullets to shoot holes in my [futile]
> attempts to get Mailman to function logically?

No, sorry, I should have mentioned I didn't have any useful ideas -- I
just know that using cross-compilation options won't have much effect.

One possibility is to see what the system resolver thinks your hostname
is.  Try this:

  $ python
  Python 2.1 (#2, May  8 2001, 10:50:59) 
  [GCC 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/Linux)] on linux2
  Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
  >>> from socket import *
  >>> gethostname()
  'cthulhu'
  >>> gethostbyname("cthulhu")
  '127.0.0.1'
  >>> gethostbyname_ex("cthulhu")
  ('cthulhu', ['localhost'], ['127.0.0.1'])

On my system, this is all determined by /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts:

  $ cat /etc/hostname 
  cthulhu
  $ head -1 /etc/hosts
  127.0.0.1       cthulhu localhost

(NB. gethostbyname_ex() returns the canonical hostname, a list of
aliases, and a list of IP addresses.)

You might also want to see what the kernel thinks the hostname is:

  >>> os.uname()[1]
  'cthulhu'

One thing that *might* work is to add your FQDN to /etc/hosts, so the
resolver in libc (which is what Python's socket.gethost*() functions
use) knows about it.

        Greg



From valites at geneseo.edu  Tue Sep 25 22:00:28 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:00:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing subject and from fields
Message-ID: <3BB0E25C.8010108@geneseo.edu>

    I was curious if there was a way to (in effect masq, or at least 
make a little less obvious) the fact that mail being sent to a user on a 
list was indeed being sent to a list.  More specifically, here's what I 
am looking for.  
   
1. I would like to change the: from "listname-request", to something 
more along the lines of: from "Our Department", or something similar...

2.  Subject line.  Instead of telling them they are on a list, somthing 
along the lines of "Thanks for your interest in our group"...

I played a little with a previous thread that suggested to use alias for 
a slightly different end, but I didn't think it would acheive what I was 
aiming for.  Perhaps there is still promise in this thought...




From mmwarner at unr.edu  Tue Sep 25 22:53:12 2001
From: mmwarner at unr.edu (Michael Warner)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:53:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FrontBase database
Message-ID: <200109252047.NAA10862@equinox.unr.edu>

How difficult is it to use FrontBase as the storage location for the 
name and email address list
and message content storage for Mailman?  If such is possible, what is 
entailed?  Are there
models, examples available?

Mike W.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 25 23:25:07 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:25:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing subject and from fields
In-Reply-To: <01092517072000.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3BB0E25C.8010108@geneseo.edu> <01092517072000.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <01092517250702.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 25 September 2001 16:00, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>     I was curious if there was a way to (in effect masq, or at least
> make a little less obvious) the fact that mail being sent to a user on
> a list was indeed being sent to a list.

It's Opensource, so the answer is always yes... but how much are willing
to work in order to bend it to your will.

> 1. I would like to change the: from "listname-request", to something
> more along the lines of: from "Our Department", or something similar...

The sender is not munged on ordinary messages to the list, so you can make
the sender be whomever you want it to seem to be.  I don't think it would
be easy to rid the email of other extraneous header parts - but who
the heck knows to look there?  Still feel free to plunge into the Python
code and expunge it (if that's your will)!

> 2.  Subject line.  Instead of telling them they are on a list, somthing
> along the lines of "Thanks for your interest in our group"...

You can make the Prefix to the subject be anything you like.  You can
make it the complete subject you want, and then leave the message you
send blank, or you can leave the Prefix blank, and just send the message
with whatever subject you want.

If you want to always over-ride the subject, then you'll have to dive
into the Python code.  That one though should be fairly easy to find and
modify.

Remember! Always use your powers for good...

Jon Carnes



From admin at ycgroup.com  Mon Sep 24 19:05:04 2001
From: admin at ycgroup.com (YCG)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:05:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing moderator approval messages
Message-ID: <3BAF67C0.1110@ycgroup.com>

Postings to list never make it to the moderator for approval.

Do you know someone I can hire to fix this problem or do you have any
idea what it might be?

Thanks,
Cory



From bga at bug-br.org.br  Mon Sep 24 23:57:17 2001
From: bga at bug-br.org.br (Bruno G. Albuquerque)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:57:17 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FreeBSD + Mailman 2.06 + Sendmail problem.
References: <00038ebb28091d8c_mailit@listas.no.com.br> <005c01c14542$fe5ab4c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <00038ebd4def865a_mailit@listas.no.com.br>

Hello Jon. Thanks for your answer.

Em Monday, September 24 2001, 18:50:57, Jon Carnes (jonc at haht.com) disse:

>Just a thought but have you setup the smrsh entry for Mailman...
>  wrapper -> ~mailman/mail/wrapper
>
>Sendmail defaults to using smrsh (in linux the smrsh directory is
>/etc/smrsh).  Sendmail will only let mail run scripts and sub-programs that
>have a link in the smrsh subdirectory.

Yeah, I know. this is all set and working.

>Does any mail ever get processed?  

Yep. I run 3 mailing lists there and till this weekend, all of them were 
working as expected. Also, this is not the first time I had this problem and 
when that happened I recreated all lists and it started working again. As I 
told, it looks qrunner runs but does not process any mail at all.

>Does any Mailman mail ever get processed?

It used to. :)

-Bruno

-- 
Bruno G. Albuquerque     bga at bug-br.org.br     BeDevId #15362
      Grupo Brasileiro de Usuarios de BeOS - Presidente
                                   http://www.bug-br.org.br




From eric at pretorious.net  Tue Sep 25 01:36:52 2001
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:36:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109241619550.24239-100000@localhost.localdomain>

I've just spent most of an entire evening trying to understand where
Mailman (i.e., the scripts that build Mailman - configure & make - and
Mailman itself) gets its identity from. I'm attempting to install Mailman
on the host charlie. charlie is the web host for pretorious.net and
funkymonkeybutt.com. A reverse-DNS lookup of charlie's IP address
will return pretorious.net. Mailman will only be accessible via
www.funkymonkey.com (once I get it installed and configured correctly).

I've tried modifying the 'www' and 'url' values of configure and
configure.in

I've tried passing --host and --target to ./configure

I've tried modifying Mailman/mm_cfg.py

...and nothing seems to work in a predictable manner. _Sometimes_ the
values that the cgi scripts return (via HTTP) contain the hostname
'charlie' and _sometimes_ they contain one of the values set using the
methods listed above. e.g., If I use `hostname www.funkymonkeybutt.com` to
temporarily set the hostname env value, `make` begins using pretorious.net
instead of charlie.  And Mailman pretty much ignores the Mailman/mm_cfg.py
values.

Everyone seems to talk about Mailman like it practically installs itself
and then goes about laying golden eggs. What could possibly be causing me
to be the only person on this list with basic installation?

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From henner at verion.de  Tue Sep 25 10:33:57 2001
From: henner at verion.de (Joerg Henner)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:33:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] automated Subscribtions
Message-ID: <20010925103357.C9031@tux.verion.de>

hi,

i have some questions on how to subscribe users automatically:

- is there already a Template for external-use, that WEB-Users can
  subscribe to a MailMan's Mailing-List ?
- is there a way using an own CGI-Script to subscribe users ?
- what kind to syntax-checking does the internal "subscribe" CGI, which
  comes within the MailMan TGZ-Archive i've downloaded ?


You see, many questions - hope you can help me.

Greetings,
-- 
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Verion New Media GmbH                    Fax:  +49 (7 11) 62 10 27-25
Schlo?stra?e 98 * D-70176 Stuttgart      Web: http://www.verion.de



From stevenj at ab-initio.mit.edu  Tue Sep 25 19:37:45 2001
From: stevenj at ab-initio.mit.edu (Steven G. Johnson)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:37:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list archives not updating?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109251323070.3192-100000@ab-initio.mit.edu>

Hi, I am using Mailman 2.0.6 on Debian/stable/x86 (exim 3.12, apache
1.3.9), and I am having a problem with the mailing list archives
accessible but not updating for new messages received.  (I am not using
the Debian package of mailman; mine is installed from source.)

The problem occurred when I moved mailman over to a new server a couple of
months ago.  Everything seemed to be working fine--email is going through
the list, the cgi admin interface works, and the old archives are
viewable--but the archive isn't being updated to reflect new messages.

I've gone through the installation instructions again, run the check_perms
script, tried updating to 2.0.6 (I had been using an earlier version,
2.0.4 maybe?), but to no avail.  The FAQ entries seem to pertain to the
archives not being viewable at all, which is not the case for me.  Doing
'crontab -l' as the mailman user reveals that the crontab.in file seems to
be correctly loaded.  I've also tried running
	/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
manually (this seemes to be the relevant line in the crontab).

Can anyone suggest something else to try, or where to look?  (I'm not even
sure where the messages-to-be-archived are stored.)

Thanks for any suggestions.

Cordially,
Steven G. Johnson




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Sep 25 23:07:20 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:07:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing subject and from fields
In-Reply-To: <3BB0E25C.8010108@geneseo.edu>
References: <3BB0E25C.8010108@geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <01092517072000.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 25 September 2001 16:00, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>     I was curious if there was a way to (in effect masq, or at least
> make a little less obvious) the fact that mail being sent to a user on a
> list was indeed being sent to a list.  

It's Opensource, so the answer is always yes... but how much are willing to 
work in order to bend it to your will.

> 1. I would like to change the: from "listname-request", to something
> more along the lines of: from "Our Department", or something similar...

The sender is not munged on ordinary message to the list, so you can make 
the sender be whomever you want it to seem to be.  I don't think it would 
be easy to rid the email of the other extraneous header parts - but who the 
heck knows to look there?  Still feel free to plunge into the Python code 
and expunge it (if that's your will)!

> 2.  Subject line.  Instead of telling them they are on a list, somthing
> along the lines of "Thanks for your interest in our group"...

You can make the Prefix to the subject be anything you like.  You can make 
it the complete subject you want, and then leave the message you send 
blank, or you can leave the Prefix blank, and just send the message with 
whatever subject you want.

If you want to always over-ride the subject, then you'll have to dive into 
the Python code.  That one though should be fairly easy to find and modify.

Remember to always use your powers for good...

Jon



From paul at coxcentral.com  Wed Sep 26 02:24:32 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:24:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109241619550.24239-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from eric@pretorious.net on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 16:36:52 -0700
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109241619550.24239-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010925192432.E6182@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Monday, Sep 24, 2001, Eric Pretorious wrote:

> I've just spent most of an entire evening trying to understand where
> Mailman (i.e., the scripts that build Mailman - configure & make - and
> Mailman itself) gets its identity from. I'm attempting to install Mailman
> on the host charlie. charlie is the web host for pretorious.net and
> funkymonkeybutt.com. A reverse-DNS lookup of charlie's IP address
> will return pretorious.net. Mailman will only be accessible via
> www.funkymonkey.com (once I get it installed and configured correctly).

Why don't you just edit mm_cfg.py to contain the hostname that you want?
It's easy... here's the relevant part of mine:

=====

###############################################
# Here's where we get the distributed defaults.

from Defaults import *

##################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.

MAILMAN_URL = 'http://www.list.org/'

# Site-specific settings
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'coxcentral.com'
# DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash!
DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://lists.coxcentral.com/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/archives'

MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

=====

Note that you have to have MAILMAN_OWNER in there (even though it looks
the same as the default) because you're changing the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME.

-- 
Paul Cox <paul at coxcentral dot com>
Kernel: 2.4.7-12.3mdk  -  Uptime: 7 days 12 hours 24 minutes.



From benwa at ocentrix.com  Wed Sep 26 02:33:58 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:33:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME?
In-Reply-To: <20010925192432.E6182@anne.coxcentral.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109241619550.24239-100000@localhost.localdomain> <20010925192432.E6182@anne.coxcentral.com>
Message-ID: <0109251733580E.17866@va05>

On Tuesday 25 September 2001 05:24 pm, Paul Cox wrote:
> On Monday, Sep 24, 2001, Eric Pretorious wrote:
> > I've just spent most of an entire evening trying to understand where
> > Mailman (i.e., the scripts that build Mailman - configure & make - and
> > Mailman itself) gets its identity from. I'm attempting to install Mailman
> > on the host charlie. charlie is the web host for pretorious.net and
> > funkymonkeybutt.com. A reverse-DNS lookup of charlie's IP address
> > will return pretorious.net. Mailman will only be accessible via
> > www.funkymonkey.com (once I get it installed and configured correctly).
>
> Why don't you just edit mm_cfg.py to contain the hostname that you want?
> It's easy... here's the relevant part of mine:
>

This will only affect new lists as they are created.  If you wan't to change 
lists that already exist you'll need to log into the web interface for your 
list (if you can!) and change the value for the option:

	"Base URL for Mailman web interface. The URL must end in a
	single "/". See also the details for an important warning when
	changing this value."

(the last option on the General Options page)

if you have issues with the address that the lists are sending out in their 
emails then you need to change the value for the option"
	"Host name this list prefers."

(second to last option)

if you don't like these two methods you could always do some bin/withlist 
black magic.

- Ben

ps. Mailman 2.0.6 is assumed since it wasn't specified.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Sep 26 04:07:03 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:07:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing moderator approval messages
In-Reply-To: <3BAF67C0.1110@ycgroup.com>
References: <3BAF67C0.1110@ycgroup.com>
Message-ID: <01092522070300.08196@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 24 September 2001 13:05, YCG wrote:
> Postings to list never make it to the moderator for approval.
>
Need lots more to answer that question.  

Do any of your lists work - pass mail out to the members of the lists?  
Is it just the moderator part that doesn't work? 
What level of moderation do you have set for the list?
Have you setup the moderation manually to know email addresses that work?
What is your MTA? (sendmail, postfix, exim,...)
Did you setup the aliases for the list properly so that it mixes properly 
with your MTA?
Do you see the messages to be approved/discarded/rejected when you go to 
the web pages and look at the administrative requests?

Help us help you by being as detailed (and on point) as you can.  
If you want to give me the web-site and admin password for the group, I'll 
be happy to look at the setup for you - but you really should try to take a 
wack at solving it yourself rather than hand out passwords to strangers 
acrosss the internet....  



From spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv  Wed Sep 26 20:14:16 2001
From: spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv (spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:14:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicates
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010926131147.032e2080@pop3.norton.antivirus>

One of my mailing lists has evidently decided to start sending a certain 
message out got my group over and over again.   First time it did that I 
got about 86 copies of it.  One guy said he got around 100 and another gal 
said she got 80 of them.  I thought it would be marked as sent in the mail 
man Q but just today we all got the same message again about 80 copies of 
it.  If I don't get this resolved quick I'm going to be loosing my people.

I don't know who to talk to or where to get help for this problem.  I don't 
know where the mailer thing keeps the messages on Q or how to remove them 
from Q out there.

Can someone help me please ?

Thanks

...Bryon




From dan at ssc.com  Wed Sep 26 20:29:27 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicates
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010926131147.032e2080@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010926131147.032e2080@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <20010926112927.B5887@ssc.com>

On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:14:16PM -0500, spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv wrote:
> One of my mailing lists has evidently decided to start sending a certain 
> message out got my group over and over again.   First time it did that I 
> got about 86 copies of it.  One guy said he got around 100 and another gal 
> said she got 80 of them.  I thought it would be marked as sent in the mail 
> man Q but just today we all got the same message again about 80 copies of 
> it.  If I don't get this resolved quick I'm going to be loosing my people.
> 
> I don't know who to talk to or where to get help for this problem.  I don't 
> know where the mailer thing keeps the messages on Q or how to remove them 
> from Q out there.
> 
> Can someone help me please ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> ...Bryon

Take a careful look at the "Received" headers.  Is this really a 
case of mailman sending the message out repeatedly, or is somebody 
outside looping it back to the posting address, minus the loop prevention 
headers?

Your MTA (postfix, sendmail, exim, mmdf, qmail, whatever) logs 
may help.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com>   Technical Manager & Editor
 SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549   Phone:  206-782-8808
 Seattle, WA  98155-0549    URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/
-----------------------------------------------------------------



From laloc at cats.ucsc.edu  Thu Sep 27 01:02:44 2001
From: laloc at cats.ucsc.edu (Lalo Castro)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:02:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner lock
Message-ID: <3BB25E94.A30D84F0@cats.ucsc.edu>

Hello,
    I recently installed mailman  2.0.6 on our OpenBsd 2.9 mail machine,
running python 1.5.2.  Our qrunner is taking an extraordinarily long
time to get going.  450 second smtp cycles.
    The qrunner log shows 'Could not acquire qrunner lock'.
    The smtp error log shows:   smtp-failure:Sep 26 15:16:31 2001 (1628)
450 who at saaczpl.org (4.7.1 <who at saaczpl.org>... Can not check MX records
for recipient host saaczpl.org)
    And the general error log is:
error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995): Traceback (innermost last):
error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):      kids = main(lock)
error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):      lock.refresh()
error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):      raise NotLockedError
error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995): Mailman.LockFile .
NotLockedError

    Is there a conflict that mailmans qrunner could be having with
another process?  It seems like from what we've read that qrunner is
working (there is a lock file), but that there's a conflict somewhere
with another process or message.  Has anyone else had this same problem?

    Thanks
            Lalo




From dmunoz at VisionCore.com  Thu Sep 27 01:15:17 2001
From: dmunoz at VisionCore.com (Douglas M. Munoz)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:15:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade - 2.0beta2 > 2.0.6
Message-ID: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEIEKKEDAA.dmunoz@VisionCore.com>

I looked around and am just not sure the best way to do this upgrade. Can
someone point me to some documentation that spells it out pretty clearly?

Thanks

Douglas M. Munoz / Network Consultant
VisionCore Consulting Inc.




From user1 at acosmo.com  Thu Sep 27 03:54:47 2001
From: user1 at acosmo.com (Peter Lee)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:54:47 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gb and big5 interface problem?
Message-ID: <20010927015447.25815.qmail@mail.acosm.com>

Hi, 

I tried the gb and big5 interface in mailmail 2.1a.
Some of the submit buttons do not work. For example, on the listinfo page, 
if a user click Subscribe after filling the email and password, nothing 
happens. But if the user then switches the "View this page in" to Enlish, he 
would see a page saying subscription done. Hope you can look into this 
problem. 

Sincerely,
Peter 


================================================
>>>>>>>> Visit http://www.acosmo.com  <<<<<<<<<



From user1 at acosmo.com  Thu Sep 27 03:56:41 2001
From: user1 at acosmo.com (Peter Lee)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:56:41 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there any way to restrict posting on only one email address?
Message-ID: <20010927015641.25828.qmail@mail.acosm.com>

For an annoucement list I would like subscribers not to be able to post.
Is there any way to restrict posting on only one email or few address? 

Thanks.
Peter 


================================================
>>>>>>>> Visit http://www.acosmo.com  <<<<<<<<<



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Sep 27 05:10:32 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:10:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade - 2.0beta2 > 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEIEKKEDAA.dmunoz@VisionCore.com>
References: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEIEKKEDAA.dmunoz@VisionCore.com>
Message-ID: <01092623103204.01088@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 26 September 2001 19:15, Douglas M. Munoz wrote:
> I looked around and am just not sure the best way to do this upgrade. Can
> someone point me to some documentation that spells it out pretty clearly?
>
> Thanks
>
> Douglas M. Munoz / Network Consultant
> VisionCore Consulting Inc.

I would use the mailman command line tools to dump out the users from each 
group (and their settings), and then backup the current install.  Next, if 
the upgrade doesn't go as planned - install the new Mailman and then feed 
the users in using its command line tools.

Good luck




From john at zimetcomm.com  Thu Sep 27 08:33:52 2001
From: john at zimetcomm.com (John Zimet)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:33:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicates
In-Reply-To: <20010926112927.B5887@ssc.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010926131147.032e2080@pop3.norton.antivirus> <20010926112927.B5887@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <20010927073209.F714.JOHN@zimetcomm.com>

Hello,

This is a newbie question.

I just installed mailman. Messages sent to it manage to make it to the
archive but are not relayed to subscribers. All the right buttons appear
to be ticked. 

Could someone help please.

Best Regards
John

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  John Zimet           Berkhamsted, UK

  john at zimetcomm.com
  http://www.zimetcomm.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From john at zimetcomm.com  Thu Sep 27 08:47:43 2001
From: john at zimetcomm.com (John Zimet)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:47:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Japanese and Mailman
Message-ID: <20010927074516.F719.JOHN@zimetcomm.com>

On an English Solarix site

The English mailman GUI mangles Japanese on the GUI level but the
archived Japanese is OK. Would the Japanese version of Mailman do any
better on the English Solarix or is the menu language all that is
different?


Best Regards
John

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  John Zimet           Berkhamsted, UK

  john at zimetcomm.com
  http://www.zimetcomm.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From xnoellardin at sopra.com  Thu Sep 27 10:25:39 2001
From: xnoellardin at sopra.com (Xavier NOEL LARDIN)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:25:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need a precison
Message-ID: <200109270822.KAA25997@dns2.sopra.com>

I have Mailman 2.0.5 on a redhat 7.2 server.
in <Membership Management> I see 30 users max...
today I have several lists of 20 or 25 persons, but if my list is more than
30, how can i do ?
Because in few days it will be the case....
Thanks.
Regards

Xavier




From mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk  Thu Sep 27 12:46:35 2001
From: mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk (mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:46:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello
Message-ID: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82901DA22C2@RADBUKSDNT15>

Hello all,

I have recently got mailman up and running and am very impressed with the
system.

I have a query though, is it possible for people to subscribe, unsubscribe,
change mode etc without ever using the mailing lists web interface. My
problem is that I am running the list on a server on my home lan behind an
adsl router. I am not quite yet ready to open up port 80 on my firewall to
let the outside world in. So I want the users to manage their subscriptions
through mail only. Anyone any thoughts, ideas, experiences?

Also FYI, i have it running on a Slackware 7.1 box with Exim as the MTA.

--------------------------------------------
Mark Johnson
Thunderous Solutions Ltd
 31 Vale House Drive. SK13 1BT. England.
 Web: www.thunderoussolutions.com
 E-Mail: info at thunderoussolutions.com
 Phone: (+44)7971 226412
--------------------------------------------

Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does
not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views
or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of the Barclays Group.





From mailman at puzzlesol.com  Thu Sep 27 15:01:00 2001
From: mailman at puzzlesol.com (mailman)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:01:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010927085836.00b0f1e8@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Hi,

It says in the feature list that it does virtual domains, but I couldn't 
find anything in the doc about doing it, any idea ?
I've RTFM many time before posting.

I have everything working fine for one domain, and the web interface would 
work with any virtual domain BUT the domain the list is belonging to is the 
one used to actually install the software :

I have : whateverlist at puzzlesol.com instead of whateverlist at myclientsdomain.com

Do I have to make a separate installation for each domain OR where are the 
instructions ?

Best Regards,

.......................................................................
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Author of/ Auteur de "Se lancer en affaires dans Internet"
ISBN 2-89521-001-2; ISBN 2-89472-062-9
SOLUTIONS PUZZLE SOLUTIONS INC.,
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CANADA Tel.: (514) 998-7658 - Fax: (514) 409-2030
E-MAIL eduguay at puzzlesol.com; WEB: http://www.puzzlesol.com
Puzzle Solutions : Providing WebObjects Hosting and Developement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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PGP Public key at: http://www.puzzlesol.com/pgpkey.txt
or finger eduguay at puzzlesol.com

"The best way to predict the future is to invent it" Alan Kay
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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..........................................................................




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Sep 27 15:49:29 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:49:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner lock
References: <3BB25E94.A30D84F0@cats.ucsc.edu>
Message-ID: <00ef01c1475b$3ac24210$0b04010a@JCARNES>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lalo Castro" <laloc at cats.ucsc.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:02 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner lock


> Hello,
>     I recently installed mailman  2.0.6 on our OpenBsd 2.9 mail machine,
> running python 1.5.2.  Our qrunner is taking an extraordinarily long
> time to get going.  450 second smtp cycles.
>     The qrunner log shows 'Could not acquire qrunner lock'.
>     The smtp error log shows:   smtp-failure:Sep 26 15:16:31 2001 (1628)
> 450 who at saaczpl.org (4.7.1 <who at saaczpl.org>... Can not check MX records
> for recipient host saaczpl.org)

Well "saaczpl.org" is non-existent.  So that is a valid error.
Plus that error happens almost 2 hours after the qrunner error.

>     And the general error log is:
> error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995): Traceback (innermost last):
> error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):   File
> "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?

I believe that line is:
    mlist = open_list(listname)

So the error occurs when it tries to access the file with the email
addresses in it.  Some other process must have this file locked open.

> error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):      kids = main(lock)
> error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):   File
> "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 195, in main
> error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):      lock.refresh()
> error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
> error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995):      raise NotLockedError
> error:Sep 26 13:40:32 2001 qrunner(2995): Mailman.LockFile .
> NotLockedError
>
>     Is there a conflict that mailmans qrunner could be having with
> another process?  It seems like from what we've read that qrunner is
> working (there is a lock file), but that there's a conflict somewhere
> with another process or message.  Has anyone else had this same problem?
>
I've never had this problem... well I had a similar problem with one of my
admins using an experimental browser that left processes hanging and a ton
of lock files in the lock directory.  I had to kill the left over processes
and then delete the lock files.  Fortunately, the lock file names identify
the processes.

No matter how much I whacked this guy, he wouldn't stop screwing up his
Mailman lists with his POS MS-beta browser so I wrote this script which
kills the dead processes and then removes the lock files.
===
#!/bin/bash
# Kill current Mailman processes and then remove lock files
# Jeff B is running a misconfigured browser and locks up the admin interface
# on a daily basis...  Jon C
for i in `ls /home/mailman/locks |cut -f7 -d. `; do kill $i; done
rm -f /home/mailman/locks/*
===

It shouldn't hurt to stop the processes and kill the lock files.

Jon Carnes




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Sep 27 16:04:36 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:04:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there any way to restrict posting on only one email address?
References: <20010927015641.25828.qmail@mail.acosm.com>
Message-ID: <00fb01c1475d$59f5dbe0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

----- Original Message -----
> For an annoucement list I would like subscribers not to be able to post.
> Is there any way to restrict posting on only one email or few address?
>
> Thanks.
> Peter

You will find everything you need under "Privacy Options" in the Admin/setup
interface.
===
Must posts be approved by an administrator - Yes

Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
approval requirement. - Addresses of those allowed to post.

===
This sets up the list so that the allowed posters can post freely and anyone
else's post goes to the admins for approval (or to be discarded).  If you
always want to discard the queued up posts waiting for approval, then setup
a cron job to delete them:
  rm ~mailman/data/heldmsg-LISTNAME-*






From jonc at haht.com  Thu Sep 27 16:10:25 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:10:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicates
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010926131147.032e2080@pop3.norton.antivirus> <20010926112927.B5887@ssc.com> <20010927073209.F714.JOHN@zimetcomm.com>
Message-ID: <010301c1475e$27470bf0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> Hello,
>
> This is a newbie question.
>
> I just installed mailman. Messages sent to it manage to make it to the
> archive but are not relayed to subscribers. All the right buttons appear
> to be ticked.
>
> Could someone help please.
>
> Best Regards
> John

Sounds like a problem in integrating it with your MTA (sendmail, postfix,
exim....).  You must have setup the aliases right since the mail is making
it to Mailman.  You should check in your maillogs and in your system logs
and see if there are any errors or warnings.

A common problem with Sendmail is that users forget to add a link in their
/etc/smrsh directory:
   wrapper -> ~mailman/mail/wrapper





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Sep 27 16:19:16 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:19:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need a precison
References: <200109270822.KAA25997@dns2.sopra.com>
Message-ID: <010d01c1475f$639e79c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> I have Mailman 2.0.5 on a redhat 7.2 server.
> in <Membership Management> I see 30 users max...
> today I have several lists of 20 or 25 persons, but if my list is more
than
> 30, how can i do ?
> Because in few days it will be the case....
> Thanks.
> Regards
>
> Xavier

If you have more than 30 users, then you will see several links in the place
of the names.  Each link leads to a page with 30 names on it.  The "30"
limit is just the maximum number of users you can display on one page.  Once
you exceed that number the membership administration moves to several web
pages (as many as it takes to see all members, displaying them 30 at a
time).

Note, this variable is configurable in the file:
   ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

For convenience, I changed mine to 100:

  # How many members to display at a time on the admin cgi to unsubscribe
them
  # or change their options?
  # DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30
  DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Sep 27 16:41:21 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:41:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade - 2.0beta2 > 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEIEKKEDAA.dmunoz@VisionCore.com>
References: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEIEKKEDAA.dmunoz@VisionCore.com>
Message-ID: <20010927104121.A802@mems-exchange.org>

On 26 September 2001, Douglas M. Munoz said:
> I looked around and am just not sure the best way to do this upgrade. Can
> someone point me to some documentation that spells it out pretty clearly?

What about the file UPGRADING in the Mailman source distribution?

        Greg



From jonc at haht.com  Thu Sep 27 16:58:38 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:58:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82901DA22C2@RADBUKSDNT15>
Message-ID: <015101c14764$e442a880$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> I have recently got mailman up and running and am very impressed with the
> system.
>
> I have a query though, is it possible for people to subscribe,
unsubscribe,
> change mode etc without ever using the mailing lists web interface. My
> problem is that I am running the list on a server on my home lan behind an
> adsl router. I am not quite yet ready to open up port 80 on my firewall to
> let the outside world in. So I want the users to manage their
subscriptions
> through mail only. Anyone any thoughts, ideas, experiences?
>
> Also FYI, i have it running on a Slackware 7.1 box with Exim as the MTA.

Every list has a LISTNAME-request address that is specifically for the
purpose of handling email requests.  If you have a list called
"slackwarerocks" then folks can subscribe to it by sending an email to
"slackwarerocks-request".  The subject should be something like:
  subscribe myname at mydomain.com

Likewise they can unsubscribe, as well as a host of other options.  Take a
scan through the Docs for more details.




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Sep 27 17:15:55 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:15:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010927085836.00b0f1e8@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <016001c14767$4e270c30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

>
> I have : whateverlist at puzzlesol.com instead of
whateverlist at myclientsdomain.com
>
Assuming that when you setup the virtual site, you set it up in both Apache
and in Sendmail (or whatever MTA you use), so that the clients web and email
are handled by you - it is easy.

Alias whateverlist at myclientsdomain.com to whateverlist at puzzlesol.com.  For
virtual domains this is usually done in a file called
/etc/mail/virtusertable but you could just as easily do it in your
/etc/aliases file (assuming the use of Sendmail syntax...).

Also tell Mailman that the hostname this list prefers is
"myclientsdomain.com" (under General Options of the Admin interface).  Be
sure to adjust the Base URL as well (assuming you have the virtual site
setup under Apache).




From s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com  Thu Sep 27 20:16:30 2001
From: s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com (s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:16:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman failing to use /mailman/alias when calling .cgi scripts
Message-ID: <OFE6CA2181.82B22403-ON86256AD4.00644C4B@accenture.com>

My mailman install fails to use the /mailman/ alias when making calls to
cgi scripts.

For example:  When I click on the mailman admin interface link, it directs
me here:

http://<mydomain.com>/admin/grnds-user     as opposed to
http://<mydomain.com>/mailman/admin/grnds-user

So, if i put the following in my httpd.conf file, it works fine...

ScriptAlias    /    /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/        as opposed to
ScriptAlias    /mailman/     /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/

However, this screws up other areas of my web application.  Thus, I really
need mailman to use the /mailman/ alias when executing the cgi-scripts.  Is
there some special parameter i need to pass the .configure script to tell
mailman to use the alias.

Regards,

S. Slade Gauntt
Global ACT - Component Delivery Architecture
Dallas: 672/2715, 214.853.2715
Infomart: 214.462.6357
Email: s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com
Fax: 214.462.6727


This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain
privileged or confidential information.  If you have received it in error,
please notify the sender immediately and delete the original.  Any other
use of the email by you is prohibited.




From user1 at acosmo.com  Thu Sep 27 21:49:12 2001
From: user1 at acosmo.com (Peter Lee)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:49:12 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error code from 2.1a
In-Reply-To: <20010927015447.25815.qmail@mail.acosm.com> 
References: <20010927015447.25815.qmail@mail.acosm.com>
Message-ID: <20010927194912.28463.qmail@mail.acosm.com>

I am getting this error if I change the DefaultLanguage to gb and
then back to en: 

Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
   main()
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 166, in main
   change_options(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1129, in change_options
   admin_notif=send_admin_notif)
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1293, in ApprovedAddMembers
   self.SetPreferredLanguage(name, lang)
 File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1577, in 
SetPreferredLanguage
   assert lang in self.GetAvailableLanguages()
AssertionError 

Would you please let me know what is going on? 

Thanks. 

================================================
>>>>>>>> Visit http://www.acosmo.com  <<<<<<<<<



From lists at openunix.de  Thu Sep 27 23:33:49 2001
From: lists at openunix.de (Franz Georg =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6hler?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:33:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mail-From: Authentification
Message-ID: <20010927233349.A1581@fgk.bofh.hanau.net>

Hi everybody,
I'm currently running mailman 1.1 and experiencing problems with
mailman's recognition of member's posts.
Mailman by default checks if the envelope sender is subscribed to the
list, if not, the post is forwarded to the list admin.
There is an option 'USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER', which, if set to '0', will
cause mailman to use the sender:-Header instead.

Unfortunately, I need mailman to just use the from:-Header as
authentification, due to the fact that exim prevents me from changing my
sender header to the address which i'm using on mailing lists.

Is there a way to accomplish this?



-- 
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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| 0x5E7A588D                                               -- Mark Twain   |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+



From anmar at anmar.org  Wed Sep 26 07:16:08 2001
From: anmar at anmar.org (Anmar M. Al-Massari)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 06:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] support of attachments?
Message-ID: <00bf01c1464a$597e2cd0$0200a8c0@anmar>

hi,
i just want to know does mailman supports mail attachments?

and great job guys..

Anmar




From vwilkes at knosysinc.com  Wed Sep 26 17:19:24 2001
From: vwilkes at knosysinc.com (Vaughn Wilkes)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:19:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Message
Message-ID: <39A872BD0C81D311949200902728523CA840C1@workstation.production>

Attached is a error message that we just started getting...can you help us
out.  Thanks.

 <<list serv bug2.doc>> 

Vaughn Wilkes
IT Engineer
ProClarity Corporation
vwilkes at proclarity.com

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From golburgh at stis.net  Wed Sep 26 19:21:18 2001
From: golburgh at stis.net (golburgh)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:21:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail list
Message-ID: <000a01c146af$d0ae75c0$01650a65@petescomputer>

hi, does this allow me to develope or acquire an e mail llist? i am interested in obesity in the Miami, Dade County, Florida area.
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From noel at koethe.net  Wed Sep 26 23:42:11 2001
From: noel at koethe.net (Noel Koethe)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:42:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mail2news gateway
Message-ID: <20010926234211.B19333@hopi.hostsharing.net>

Hello,

I had the mail2news gateway of mailman (2.0.6) runing but it stopped
working. I dont know why.:(
The error message ist this:

Sep 20 19:05:03 2001 qrunner(8777): Traceback (innermost last):
Sep 20 19:05:03 2001 qrunner(8777):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py", line 59, in process
Sep 20 19:05:03 2001 qrunner(8777):     do_child(mlist, msg)
Sep 20 19:05:03 2001 qrunner(8777):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py", line 151, in do_child
Sep 20 19:05:03 2001 qrunner(8777):     if line[0] not in " \t":
Sep 20 19:05:03 2001 qrunner(8777): NameError: line

The mailinglist still work and the archiv too, only the gateway not.

Any idea what is the problem?

thx.

-- 
	No?l K?the



From eduguay at puzzlesol.com  Thu Sep 27 05:10:17 2001
From: eduguay at puzzlesol.com (eduguay at puzzlesol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:10:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010926230345.024d3ee0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Hi,

It says in the feature list that it does virtual domains, but I couldn't 
find anything in the doc about doing it, any idea ?
I've RTFM many time before posting.

I have everything working fine for one domain, and the web interface would 
work with any virtual domain BUT the domain the list is belonging to is the 
one used to actually install the software :

I have : whateverlist at puzzlesol.com instead of whateverlist at myclientsdomain.com

Do I have to make a separate installation for each domain OR where are the 
instructions ?

Best Regards,


.......................................................................
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ISBN 2-89521-001-2; ISBN 2-89472-062-9
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CANADA Tel.: (514) 998-7658 - Fax: (514) 409-2030
E-MAIL eduguay at puzzlesol.com; WEB: http://www.puzzlesol.com
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PGP Public key at: http://www.puzzlesol.com/pgpkey.txt
or finger eduguay at puzzlesol.com

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
         ? Benjamin Franklin
..........................................................................




From vtb at odin.di.uoa.gr  Thu Sep 27 09:41:57 2001
From: vtb at odin.di.uoa.gr (Georgatos Vaggelis)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:41:57 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: <3BB25E94.A30D84F0@cats.ucsc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109271035340.11500-100000@odin.di.uoa.gr>

The same problem appeared last day on our mailhost (cnl.di.uoa.gr) running
mailman 2.0.6 on RedHat 7.1 (kernel 2.4.3/sendmail 8.11.6) but it seems bind
to a speciffic email message with many attachments (word documents) when
that message was removed from the qrunner queue all returnd to normal.

-- 
Georgatos Evaggelos
Communication Networks Laboratory
Network Administrator




From shackel at abacus.maths.uq.edu.au  Thu Sep 27 10:35:03 2001
From: shackel at abacus.maths.uq.edu.au (Paul Shackel)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:35:03 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web errors
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10109271834090.2858-100000@abacus.maths.uq.edu.au>

I am getting this error:

[error] (8)Exec format error: exec of /data/mailman/cgi-bin/admin failed
[error] [client 130.102.160.26] Premature end of script headers: /data/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

Mailman is installed on Solaris 8 and is being nfs mounted to a freebsd
4.3 based web server.

Do I need to recompile the cgi-bin dir for freebsd.

thanks

paul
-- 




From s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com  Thu Sep 27 19:39:04 2001
From: s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com (s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:39:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman failing to use /mailman/alias when calling .cgi scripts
Message-ID: <OFBC8DC69B.74B52B12-ON86256AD4.005FDDA4@accenture.com>

My mailman install fails to use the /mailman/ alias when making calls to
cgi scripts.

For example:  When I click on the mailman admin interface link, it directs
me here:

http://<mydomain.com>/admin/grnds-user     as opposed to
http://<mydomain.com>/mailman/admin/grnds-user

So, if i put the following in my httpd.conf file, it works fine...

ScriptAlias    /    /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/        as opposed to
ScriptAlias    /mailman/     /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/

However, this screws up other areas of my web application.  Thus, I really
need mailman to use the /mailman/ alias when executing the cgi-scripts.  Is
there some special parameter i need to pass the .configure script to tell
mailman to use the alias.

Regards,

S. Slade Gauntt
Global ACT - Component Delivery Architecture
Email: s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com


This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain
privileged or confidential information.  If you have received it in error,
please notify the sender immediately and delete the original.  Any other
use of the email by you is prohibited.




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Thu Sep 27 14:34:51 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:04:51 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Message
In-Reply-To: <39A872BD0C81D311949200902728523CA840C1@workstation.production>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109271804270.7421-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sep 26, 2001 at 09:19, Vaughn Wilkes wrote:

>Attached is a error message that we just started getting...can you help us
>out.  Thanks.
>
> <<list serv bug2.doc>> 

Please resubmit as plain text. Your proprietary format is unreadable.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
Corrupt REALITY.SYS: Reboot universe (y/n)?




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Sep 28 05:43:39 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:43:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman failing to use /mailman/alias when calling .cgi scripts
References: <OFBC8DC69B.74B52B12-ON86256AD4.005FDDA4@accenture.com>
Message-ID: <004901c147cf$c44a71a0$6501a8c0@anncons2>

> My mailman install fails to use the /mailman/ alias when making calls to
> cgi scripts.
>
> For example:  When I click on the mailman admin interface link, it directs
> me here:
>
> http://<mydomain.com>/admin/grnds-user     as opposed to
> http://<mydomain.com>/mailman/admin/grnds-user
>
> So, if i put the following in my httpd.conf file, it works fine...
>
> ScriptAlias    /    /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/        as opposed to
> ScriptAlias    /mailman/     /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
> However, this screws up other areas of my web application.  Thus, I really
> need mailman to use the /mailman/ alias when executing the cgi-scripts.
Is
> there some special parameter i need to pass the .configure script to tell
> mailman to use the alias.
>
> Regards,
>
> S. Slade Gauntt
> Global ACT - Component Delivery Architecture
> Email: s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com
>
In the admin setup, under "General Options" what is the Base URL set to?
Based on your example above, it should be:
  http://<mydomain.com>/mailman/

If you left off the /mailman/ on the end, then that would account for what
you described...

Jon Carnes




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Fri Sep 28 09:56:40 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:56:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20010925142516.A9363@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109280038420.32298-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Greg Ward wrote:

> One possibility is to see what the system resolver thinks your hostname
> is.  Try this:
>
>   $ python
>   Python 2.1 (#2, May  8 2001, 10:50:59)
>   [GCC 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/Linux)] on linux2
>   Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>   >>> from socket import *
>   >>> gethostname()
>   'cthulhu'
>   >>> gethostbyname("cthulhu")
>   '127.0.0.1'
>   >>> gethostbyname_ex("cthulhu")
>   ('cthulhu', ['localhost'], ['127.0.0.1'])
>
> On my system, this is all determined by /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts:
>
>   $ cat /etc/hostname
>   cthulhu
>   $ head -1 /etc/hosts
>   127.0.0.1       cthulhu localhost
>
> One thing that *might* work is to add your FQDN to /etc/hosts, so the
> resolver in libc (which is what Python's socket.gethost*() functions
> use) knows about it.

Greg:

Thanks for the suggestions.

Before configuring Mailman this time, I used `hostname www` and
`domainname funkYmonkeybutt.com` to set these values. I also entered the
FQDN "www.fuNkymonkeybutt.com" in /etc/hosts. (Again, pay special
attention capitalization...)

Using the python functions that you used above, gethostname() returned
"www" and gethostbyname("www") returned the system's IP address.

Mailman, though, failed to take the bait and instead used the
pretorious.net values [from a reverse-DNS of pretorious.net I suppose] in
the blue banner across the top of the cgi-bin/admin page. From somewhere -
only God knows where - Mailman found the FQDN that I had intended and used
it in the blue banner across the top of the cgi-bin/listinfo page. (The
FQDN doesn't have any of the upper-case typing that I've been using in
order to identify where Mailman is getting its info so I am still
stumped!)

Thanks, again.

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Fri Sep 28 10:08:13 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:08:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME?
In-Reply-To: <20010925192432.E6182@anne.coxcentral.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109280105230.32298-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Paul Cox wrote:

> Why don't you just edit mm_cfg.py to contain the hostname that you want?
> It's easy... here's the relevant part of mine:
>
> ###############################################
> # Here's where we get the distributed defaults.
>
> from Defaults import *
>
> ##################################################
> # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
>
> MAILMAN_URL = 'http://www.list.org/'
>
> # Site-specific settings
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'coxcentral.com'
> # DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash!
> DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://lists.coxcentral.com/mailman/'
> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/archives'
>
> MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

Paul:

Sheer brilliance! The MAILMAN_OWNER setting puts me over-the-top. I think
I'll just it "good" and move on to customizing the general HTML.

Thanks!

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Sep 28 15:10:30 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:10:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] support of attachments?
In-Reply-To: <00bf01c1464a$597e2cd0$0200a8c0@anmar>
References: <00bf01c1464a$597e2cd0$0200a8c0@anmar>
Message-ID: <20010928091030.A492@mems-exchange.org>

On 26 September 2001, Anmar M. Al-Massari said:
> i just want to know does mailman supports mail attachments?

Yes, just like any other low-level mail-handling tool.  MIME messages
look like any other messages to Mailman, and it happily passes them on
to list subscribers.  The main problem with MIME and Mailman is that the
default archiver, Pipermail, knows nothing about MIME.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Sep 28 15:13:24 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:13:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman failing to use /mailman/alias when calling .cgi scripts
In-Reply-To: <004901c147cf$c44a71a0$6501a8c0@anncons2>
References: <OFBC8DC69B.74B52B12-ON86256AD4.005FDDA4@accenture.com> <004901c147cf$c44a71a0$6501a8c0@anncons2>
Message-ID: <20010928091324.B492@mems-exchange.org>

On 27 September 2001, Jon Carnes said:
> In the admin setup, under "General Options" what is the Base URL set to?
> Based on your example above, it should be:
>   http://<mydomain.com>/mailman/
> 
> If you left off the /mailman/ on the end, then that would account for what
> you described...

I suspect that if you even leave off the trailing slash, you would have
the problem described.  The description set off "trailing slash" bells
in my head.

        Greg



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Sep 28 15:18:20 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:18:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mail-From: Authentification
In-Reply-To: <20010927233349.A1581@fgk.bofh.hanau.net>
References: <20010927233349.A1581@fgk.bofh.hanau.net>
Message-ID: <20010928091820.C492@mems-exchange.org>

On 27 September 2001, Franz Georg K?hler said:
> Unfortunately, I need mailman to just use the from:-Header as
> authentification, due to the fact that exim prevents me from changing my
> sender header to the address which i'm using on mailing lists.

If you have root privileges on the Exim server in question, I rather
doubt this: there are very few things that Exim won't let you do, given
enough time grovelling through the manual.  Also, if you're a trusted
users to that Exim server, you can get away with a lot more
(eg. supplying an enveloper sender with "exim -f").

Have you tried using an MUA (eg. mutt) that lets you set the "Sender"
header yourself?

If all else fails, what about resubscribing to the Mailman list as the
address that you're stuck with using?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From xnoellardin at sopra.com  Fri Sep 28 17:16:19 2001
From: xnoellardin at sopra.com (Xavier NOEL LARDIN)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:16:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clear archives
Message-ID: <200109281516.RAA02049@dns2.sopra.com>

I have  in my server : mailman 2.0.5. and i wonder if i clear some messages
from an archieve ?
I think, I could clear the file in the server... but is there an other way ?

thanks fur your help

Xavier






From jkenton at iastate.edu  Fri Sep 28 18:04:34 2001
From: jkenton at iastate.edu (Jeffrey M. Kenton)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:04:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disaster Recovery - 2 Questions
Message-ID: <p05010405b7da4f03702a@[129.186.123.32]>

Mailman is an excellent solution for our use here, however, I have 
two questions regarding two levels of disaster: Loss of List admin 
password, Server Crash.

Maybe my questions are self-explanatory now, but here goes anyway: if 
the manager of a particular list loses the admin password for that 
list, how can I, as the site administrator, regenerate one?

And, when setting up Mailman there was a small amount of compilation 
work. To transfer the files from a backup onto another server, do I 
just need to transfer the entire file structure of the install 
location (i.e. /home/mailman) ?

Thanks

Jeff
-- 
____________________________________________________________
Jeff Kenton                College of Education Tech Support
N058A Lagomarcino                        jkenton at iastate.edu
Ames, IA 50011                                  515 294 0228

    "Security is a process, not a product." - Bruce Schneier



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 28 18:48:40 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:48:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disaster Recovery - 2 Questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jeffrey M. Kenton" <jkenton@iastate.edu> 
   of "Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:04:34 CDT." <p05010405b7da4f03702a@[129.186.123.32]> 
References: <p05010405b7da4f03702a@[129.186.123.32]> 
Message-ID: <6033.1001695720@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:04:34 -0500 
Jeffrey M Kenton <jkenton at iastate.edu> wrote:

> Maybe my questions are self-explanatory now, but here goes anyway:
> if the manager of a particular list loses the admin password for
> that list, how can I, as the site administrator, regenerate one?

You can use the site password to (re)set a specific list's admin
password via that list's admin page.

> And, when setting up Mailman there was a small amount of
> compilation work. To transfer the files from a backup onto another
> server, do I just need to transfer the entire file structure of
> the install location (i.e. /home/mailman) ?

Yes, with big caveats:

  -- Must be same architecture (eg x86)
       If not, recompile. 
  -- Must have same hostname
       Need to reset list configs with with_list
  -- Must have same VHostname
       Need to reset list configs with with_list
  -- Must be installed in same filesystem location
       Need to reset list configs with with_list
  -- Must have (reasonably) same version of libC
       If not, recompile. 
  -- Must have Python installed in same location
       Edit #! lines in Python scripts etc
  -- Must have same or later version of Python (Probably) 
       Likely safe.

Barry:  Want to drop this in the FAQ?  Its a good (if not terribly
frequent) question.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com  Fri Sep 28 19:54:55 2001
From: s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com (s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:54:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman failing to use /mailman/alias when calling .cgi
 scripts
Message-ID: <OF0D42643E.E2BF1EDC-ON86256AD5.00622867@accenture.com>

Jon:

Thanks, this solved the problem.  I changed the DEFAULT_URL in my mm_cfg.py
file so that the BASE_URL on all my new lists now defaults to this value.
I figured it was something simple.

Thanks again,

S. Slade Gauntt
Global ACT - Component Delivery Architecture
Email: s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com



                                                                                                                          
            "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>                                                                                  
            Sent by:                            To:     <mailman-users at python.org>, S. Slade                              
            mailman-users-admin at python.o        Gauntt/Internal/Accenture at Accenture                                       
            rg                                  cc:                                                                       
                                                Subject:     Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman failing to use /mailman/alias    
                                                when calling .cgi scripts                                                 
            09/27/2001 10:43 PM                                                                                           
            Please respond to "Jon                                                                                        
            Carnes"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                          




> My mailman install fails to use the /mailman/ alias when making calls to
> cgi scripts.
>
> For example:  When I click on the mailman admin interface link, it
directs
> me here:
>
> http://<mydomain.com>/admin/grnds-user     as opposed to
> http://<mydomain.com>/mailman/admin/grnds-user
>
> So, if i put the following in my httpd.conf file, it works fine...
>
> ScriptAlias    /    /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/        as opposed to
> ScriptAlias    /mailman/     /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
> However, this screws up other areas of my web application.  Thus, I
really
> need mailman to use the /mailman/ alias when executing the cgi-scripts.
Is
> there some special parameter i need to pass the .configure script to tell
> mailman to use the alias.
>
> Regards,
>
> S. Slade Gauntt
> Global ACT - Component Delivery Architecture
> Email: s.slade.gauntt at accenture.com
>
In the admin setup, under "General Options" what is the Base URL set to?
Based on your example above, it should be:
  http://<mydomain.com>/mailman/

If you left off the /mailman/ on the end, then that would account for what
you described...

Jon Carnes


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From jim at ebizq.net  Fri Sep 28 20:24:36 2001
From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:24:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing listinfo HTML
Message-ID: <025e01c1484a$d3f7d9a0$6e01a8c0@jim>

Hello folks. I was wondering how to customize the listinfo HTML page to include my site's custom headers and footers - similar to how Apple customized their listinfo page. I can customize a per-list listinfo page, but I would like to modifiy the main listinfo page... Any suggestions on how to do that?

-jim
Webmaster
eBizQ
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From jonc at haht.com  Fri Sep 28 22:13:44 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:13:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clear archives
References: <200109281516.RAA02049@dns2.sopra.com>
Message-ID: <00e701c1485a$13029f40$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> I have  in my server : mailman 2.0.5. and i wonder if i clear some
messages
> from an archieve ?
> I think, I could clear the file in the server... but is there an other way
?
>
> thanks fur your help
>
> Xavier
>
In the past, I've just edited the Archive files.  On the bright side, you
should be able to just delete what you want and then re-archive using the
"archive" command in ~mailman/bin/

If anyone knows a better way, I would be happy to learn it as well.  If push
comes to shove, I could always write one (as a contribution for this
wonderful application).

Jon Carnes




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Sep 28 22:20:54 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:20:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing listinfo HTML
References: <025e01c1484a$d3f7d9a0$6e01a8c0@jim>
Message-ID: <00f601c1485b$13043070$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> Hello folks. I was wondering how to customize the listinfo HTML page to
include my site's
> custom headers and footers - similar to how Apple customized their
listinfo page. I can
> customize a per-list listinfo page, but I would like to modifiy the main
listinfo page... Any
> suggestions on how to do that?
>
> -jim

I think you will find what you seek, in the ~mailman/templates/...
subdirectory.  You are probably interested in modifying "listinfo.html"

Jon Carnes




From jim at ebizq.net  Fri Sep 28 22:34:28 2001
From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:34:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing listinfo HTML
References: <025e01c1484a$d3f7d9a0$6e01a8c0@jim> <00f601c1485b$13043070$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <006a01c1485c$f87e4360$6e01a8c0@jim>

That one is the template for list specific pages. Not the main listinfo page that list all the lists on the site.

Something tells me I might have to edit pyhton code to achieve the result I desire.

-jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
To: "Jim Kutter" <webmaster at ebizq.net>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customizing listinfo HTML


> > Hello folks. I was wondering how to customize the listinfo HTML page to
> include my site's
> > custom headers and footers - similar to how Apple customized their
> listinfo page. I can
> > customize a per-list listinfo page, but I would like to modifiy the main
> listinfo page... Any
> > suggestions on how to do that?
> >
> > -jim
> 
> I think you will find what you seek, in the ~mailman/templates/...
> subdirectory.  You are probably interested in modifying "listinfo.html"
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From nmontano at laplaza.org  Fri Sep 28 22:56:06 2001
From: nmontano at laplaza.org (Nancy Montano)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:56:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is "Error decoding authorization cookie?"
Message-ID: <3BB4E3E6.D5E64562@laplaza.org>

One of the list managers is unable to manage his mailing lists.  He
longs in to the admin page of his lists but when he tries to submit a
change or attempt any other administrative duty, he receives the
following:

"Error decoding authorization cookie".

He recently moved out of the area and is now using a Satellite
connection.  This is the only change he has made.  He checked his system

and has everything set up the same.  I checked to make sure he was using

the correct email address for administering his site.

Any help is appreciated.

Nancy Montano

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 28 22:51:04 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:51:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What is "Error decoding authorization cookie?"
In-Reply-To: <3BB4E3E6.D5E64562@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <B7DA30C8.12E8%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 9/28/01 1:56 PM, "Nancy Montano" <nmontano at laplaza.org> wrote:

> "Error decoding authorization cookie".
> 
> He recently moved out of the area and is now using a Satellite
> connection.  This is the only change he has made.

That's enough -- he's now going through a proxy server, and I've seen
problems with those dealing with cookies on other servers. I'm not surprised
it also has issues with mailman.





From listener at eunum.com  Tue Sep 25 09:40:39 2001
From: listener at eunum.com (listener at eunum.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:40:39 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:40:39 +0800 (CST)
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From pjcd at sun.ac.za  Fri Sep 28 09:55:08 2001
From: pjcd at sun.ac.za (John Dovey)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:55:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Message
References: <39A872BD0C81D311949200902728523CA840C1@workstation.production>
Message-ID: <00e301c147f2$e4de0da0$664ae892@jsgbib.sun.ac.za>

Bug MessageHere it is in plain text.

Bug in Mailman version 1.1
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:
 
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
    lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock
    os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
error: (2, 'No such file or directory')
 
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
      Variable
     Value
     
      DOCUMENT_ROOT 
     /var/www 
     
      UNIQUE_ID 
     QpnjCtihjAUAAAFxAvI 
     
      HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
     gzip, deflate 
     
      SERVER_PORT 
     80 
     
      PATH_TRANSLATED 
     /var/www/list_chp 
     
      REMOTE_ADDR 
     216.161.140.1 
     
      HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
     en-us 
     
      GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
     CGI/1.1 
     
      SERVER_NAME 
     listserv.proclarity.com 
     
      HTTP_CONNECTION 
     Keep-Alive 
     
      HTTP_USER_AGENT 
     Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) 
     
      HTTP_ACCEPT 
     image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */* 
     
      REQUEST_URI 
     /mailman/admin/list_chp 
     
      PATH 
     /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin 
     
      QUERY_STRING 
      
     
      SCRIPT_FILENAME 
     /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin 
     
      PATH_INFO 
     /list_chp 
     
      HTTP_HOST 
     listserv.knosysinc.com 
     
      REQUEST_METHOD 
     GET 
     
      SERVER_SIGNATURE 
      
     
      SCRIPT_NAME 
     /mailman/admin 
     
      SERVER_ADMIN 
     root at localhost 
     
      SERVER_SOFTWARE 
     Apache/1.3.3 (Unix) Debian/GNU 
     
      PYTHONPATH 
     /home/mailman 
     
      HTTP_COOKIE 
     list_chp:admin="(lp0\012S'216.161.140.1'\012p1\012aI1116568071\012aI1116578871\012aI-1176618751\012a." 
     
      SERVER_PROTOCOL 
     HTTP/1.1 
     
      REMOTE_PORT 
     64775 
     
      HTTP_REFERER 
     http://listserv.knosysinc.com/mailman/admin 
     

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vaughn Wilkes 
  To: 'mailman-users at python.org' 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:19 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Message


  Attached is a error message that we just started getting...can you help us out.  Thanks. 

  <<list serv bug2.doc>> 

  Vaughn Wilkes 
  IT Engineer 
  ProClarity Corporation 
  vwilkes at proclarity.com 

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From fgk at bofh.hanau.net  Fri Sep 28 16:01:55 2001
From: fgk at bofh.hanau.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Franz_Georg_K=F6hler?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:01:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mail-From: Authentification
In-Reply-To: <20010928091820.C492@mems-exchange.org>
References: <20010927233349.A1581@fgk.bofh.hanau.net> <20010928091820.C492@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20010928160155.A439@fgk.bofh.hanau.net>

On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 09:18:20AM -0400, Greg Ward <gward at mems-exchange.org> wrote:
> On 27 September 2001, Franz Georg K?hler said:
>> Unfortunately, I need mailman to just use the from:-Header as
>> authentification, due to the fact that exim prevents me from changing my
>> sender header to the address which i'm using on mailing lists.
> 
> If you have root privileges on the Exim server in question, I rather
> doubt this: there are very few things that Exim won't let you do, given
> enough time grovelling through the manual.  Also, if you're a trusted
> users to that Exim server, you can get away with a lot more
> (eg. supplying an enveloper sender with "exim -f").
> 
> Have you tried using an MUA (eg. mutt) that lets you set the "Sender"
> header yourself?

exim would quash mutt's sender header.
> 
> If all else fails, what about resubscribing to the Mailman list as the
> address that you're stuck with using?

I don't want to change the mailserver's configuration, I just want
mailman to use the from: header instead of the sender:-header for
authentification.

Is this possible?

If not, this should be noted as a feature request.



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From stormlrd at bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com  Fri Sep 28 17:55:52 2001
From: stormlrd at bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com (stormlrd)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:55:52 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to run these together?
Message-ID: <01092903555207.01147@bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com>

Hi,

Can Mailman-2.0.6 be run in conjunction to an exim setup using   
http://www.netd.co.za/mysql-mail/ as the configuration?

Where do the aliases that are generated by the newlist command go? in the 
/etc/aliases file or the auth tables in the mysql db?

My Mailman is generating a subscription email - but doesn't seem to be 
getting my reply for confirmation, as i do not get the second email (welcome).

Is this fixed by addressing the "other tweaks" section in the Mailman 
README.EXIM file?

Cheers,
Paul



From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Sat Sep 29 05:53:37 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:53:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing users
In-Reply-To: <20010927015641.25828.qmail@mail.acosm.com>
Message-ID: <3BB4F151.31854.6683096@localhost>

I'm in the process of converting from another list 
server to Mail-Man.  I see that I can add users through 
the admin web interface, but I am concerned.

When someone adds themselves to a list, they are 
prompted for a password.  When I add a list, there is no 
password prompt.

How does this get resolved?  Is the password no big 
deal?  Are they asked to enter a password at some point 
in the future?

Enquiring minds want to know...
Thanks,
Mike
-- 
Mike Avery                            
MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
                                    Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
                                         (970)-642-0244 (office)
                                             FAX: (970)-642-0282
                                                   ICQ: 16241692
                                             AOL IM: MAvery81230

* Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other 
way *

A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
 System hackers swap on demand.





From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Sat Sep 29 05:57:31 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:57:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing archives
In-Reply-To: <20010927015641.25828.qmail@mail.acosm.com>
Message-ID: <3BB4F23B.19095.66BC1FB@localhost>

I'm in the process of migrating from another list 
server, Mercury by David Harris.  One of the important 
things in the old mailing list is the archives.  So, I'd like 
to convert them or migrate them.  The existing archives 
are flat text files, not even mime.  There are delimiters 
at the end of each message that seem to be pretty 
unambiguous.

Has anyone imported archives from another list server 
into Mailman?  If so, do you have any advice or 
guidance?

Thanks,
Mike
-- 
Mike Avery                            
MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
                                    Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
                                         (970)-642-0244 (office)
                                             FAX: (970)-642-0282
                                                   ICQ: 16241692
                                             AOL IM: MAvery81230

* Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other 
way *

A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
    Schizophrenia beats eating alone





From jonc at haht.com  Sat Sep 29 07:14:13 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:14:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing users
References: <3BB4F151.31854.6683096@localhost>
Message-ID: <00c801c148a5$9425e640$6501a8c0@anncons2>

> I'm in the process of converting from another list
> server to Mail-Man.  I see that I can add users through
> the admin web interface, but I am concerned.
>
> When someone adds themselves to a list, they are
> prompted for a password.  When I add a list, there is no
> password prompt.
>
> How does this get resolved?  Is the password no big
> deal?  Are they asked to enter a password at some point
> in the future?
>
> Enquiring minds want to know...
> Thanks,
> Mike
> --
> Mike Avery

When you add a user to the list, Mailman autogenerates a password for them.
If you have Mailman send a welcome message to each person that you add then
they will get their passwords in the Welcome message.

Otherwise, you can trigger Mailman to send the passwords out (which it
normally does monthly anyway), or any individual can go to the listinfo
interface and put in their email address to have their password mailed to
them.

Jon Carnes




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Sat Sep 29 06:45:12 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:45:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Publicly-advertised lists not listed by listinfo
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109282141110.8068-100000@charlie.pretorious.net>

Hello:

Does anyone have an idea what might be causing this schizophrenic
behavior:

* admin [correctly] lists the "publicly advertised mailing lists".

* listinfo does not.

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Sat Sep 29 07:16:44 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (cont'd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109282216140.8068-100000@charlie.pretorious.net>

Paul Cox's recommendations (DEFAULT_HOSTNAME, DEFAULT_URL, and
DEFAULT_OWNER) patched things up pretty nicely. There still seems to be
some discrepancy in the values that Mailman uses to identify itself (in
the blue banner across the top of the page):

* admin uses the DEFAULT_HOSTNAME value in Mailman/mm_cfg.py

* listinfo seems to use the lower-case values of either:
  a. the --host & --build options (not likely) or
  b. the `hostname` & `domainname` system values.

Is there a logical explanation for this? (Schizophrenia does not count!)
Is there rememdy?

Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA





From eric at pretorious.net  Sat Sep 29 07:10:12 2001
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (cont'd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109250027030.25138-100000@pretorious.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109282148470.8068-100000@charlie.pretorious.net>

Paul Cox's recommendations (DEFAULT_HOSTNAME, DEFAULT_URL, and
DEFAULT_OWNER) patched things up pretty nicely. There still seems to be
some discrepancy in the values that Mailman uses to identify itself (in
the blue banner across the top of the page):

* admin uses the DEFAULT_HOSTNAME value in Mailman/mm_cfg.py

* listinfo seems to use the lower-case values of either:
  a. the --host & --build options (not likely) or
  b. the `hostname` & `domainname` system values.

Is there a logical explanation for this? (Schizophrenia does not count!)
Is there rememdy?

Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From eric at pretorious.net  Sat Sep 29 07:14:41 2001
From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:14:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (cont'd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109282213450.8068-100000@charlie.pretorious.net>

Paul Cox's recommendations (DEFAULT_HOSTNAME, DEFAULT_URL, and
DEFAULT_OWNER) patched things up pretty nicely. There still seems to be
some discrepancy in the values that Mailman uses to identify itself (in
the blue banner across the top of the page):

* admin uses the DEFAULT_HOSTNAME value in Mailman/mm_cfg.py

* listinfo seems to use the lower-case values of either:
  a. the --host & --build options (not likely) or
  b. the `hostname` & `domainname` system values.

Is there a logical explanation for this? (Schizophrenia does not count!)
Is there rememdy?

Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From cgreer at midsouth.rr.com  Sun Sep 30 00:00:32 2001
From: cgreer at midsouth.rr.com (Chris Greer)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:00:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scaling Mailman
Message-ID: <3BB64480.7169BD0C@midsouth.rr.com>

We've been using Mailman for a while now, (still actually
running Version 1.1).
We've started to hit some problems with high message volumes to
individual list.  We are seeing multiple python processes trying
to deliver to the same mailing list, and getting hung waiting on
CPU.  

As we start loking into ways to solve this problem, I thought
I'd send a note out to see if other people are seeing this type
behavior and what they are doing to solve it.

Can Mailman be run on multiple receiving mail servers and safely
NFS mount the mailman directory ?   Or do we only get more CPU
capacity by going to a bigger box?

Have there been any performance enhancements between the current
version and the 1.1 version that we are running?  I've been trying
to find a Changelog, and haven't found what I'm looking for so far.

We are also using python 1.5.2.  I'm not sure what has changed 
in that distribution as well.  We are seeing some python processes
seem to have a fairly high memory footprint.

Right now we are running on Solaris, and for political and financial
reasons, that will probably not change in the next year or so.

We are also running our lists on the mail server with users.  We are
strongly considering moving the lists to a separate list server.

If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate them.

Thanks
Chris G.



From drechsau at Geeks.ORG  Sun Sep 30 01:29:15 2001
From: drechsau at Geeks.ORG (Mike Horwath)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:29:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scaling Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3BB64480.7169BD0C@midsouth.rr.com>; from cgreer@midsouth.rr.com on Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 05:00:32PM -0500
References: <3BB64480.7169BD0C@midsouth.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20010929182915.A43311@Geeks.ORG>

On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 05:00:32PM -0500, Chris Greer wrote:
> Right now we are running on Solaris, and for political and financial
> reasons, that will probably not change in the next year or so.

Solaris is cool.

> We are also running our lists on the mail server with users.  We are
> strongly considering moving the lists to a separate list server.

I would seperate it off and you should get some gain that way.

Also, what MTA are you using?

With Postfix, I can deliver 30K messages pretty damn quick.  When I
was still using Sendmail and Mailman 1.0 - it would be a few hours.

Qmail should be almost as fast :)

-- 
Mike Horwath           IRC: Drechsau         drechsau at Geeks.ORG
Home: 763-540-6815  1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN  55427
Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself
through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period.



From cgreer at midsouth.rr.com  Sun Sep 30 01:40:34 2001
From: cgreer at midsouth.rr.com (Chris Greer)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:40:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scaling Mailman
References: <3BB64480.7169BD0C@midsouth.rr.com> <20010929182915.A43311@Geeks.ORG>
Message-ID: <3BB65BF2.4607E355@midsouth.rr.com>

We are currently using sendmail, but are investigating postfix.

Chris G.

Mike Horwath wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 05:00:32PM -0500, Chris Greer wrote:
> > Right now we are running on Solaris, and for political and financial
> > reasons, that will probably not change in the next year or so.
> 
> Solaris is cool.
> 
> > We are also running our lists on the mail server with users.  We are
> > strongly considering moving the lists to a separate list server.
> 
> I would seperate it off and you should get some gain that way.
> 
> Also, what MTA are you using?
> 
> With Postfix, I can deliver 30K messages pretty damn quick.  When I
> was still using Sendmail and Mailman 1.0 - it would be a few hours.
> 
> Qmail should be almost as fast :)
> 
> --
> Mike Horwath           IRC: Drechsau         drechsau at Geeks.ORG
> Home: 763-540-6815  1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN  55427
> Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself
> through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period.



From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Sun Sep 30 01:49:49 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:49:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?
In-Reply-To: <004301c145c7$a9a7f610$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109291646500.8068-100000@charlie.pretorious.net>

Jon:

Thanks for the very-informative example. This list (and this software)
could use more contributors like you!

Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:

> An Umbrella List is a list of other lists.
> For example, you have the following lists running in Mailman:
>   ThreeBlindMice: Minnie at farm.org, Mighty at cartoon.net, Mickey at disney.com
>   ThreeBears: Smokey at usda.gov, Little at pbs.org, Momma at mgoose.net
>   ThreeMenNaTub: Rub at tub.org, Dub at tub.org, Little at pbs.org
>
> By making "Threesomes" into an Umbrella List, you can tell Mailman to add
> "-owner" to any notices, confirmations and passwords that it sends out to
> list members.
>
> Jon Carnes




From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Sep 30 02:33:02 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:33:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOSTNAME? (cont'd) 
In-Reply-To: Message from <eric-mailman@pretorious.net> 
   of "Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:16:44 PDT." <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109282216140.8068-100000@charlie.pretorious.net> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109282216140.8068-100000@charlie.pretorious.net> 
Message-ID: <5394.1001809982@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:16:44 -0700 (PDT) 
eric-mailman  <eric-mailman at pretorious.net> wrote:

> * listinfo seems to use the lower-case values of either: 

Domainnames are case insensitive.  Many/most apps follow a
semi-standard pattern of case squashing them to prevent/reduce
confusion.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jtwhitlock at kih.net  Sun Sep 30 04:14:56 2001
From: jtwhitlock at kih.net (JT Whitlock)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:14:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages
Message-ID: <004a01c14955$b3d4cc80$7b895940@jtw>

Since downloading your service last night I have received at least a dozen letters from all over the nation with questions on how to best use your service.
I am just a flunky at computer use, so most of the questions asked are totally unknown to me.  This sudden turn out of emails makes me think of a chat line, is that part of your service.

Like I said, I am for the most part computer dumb

jtwhitlock at kih.com
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From lists at openunix.de  Sun Sep 30 17:07:42 2001
From: lists at openunix.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Franz_Georg_K=F6hler?=)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:07:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mail-From: Authentification
In-Reply-To: <20010927233349.A1581@fgk.bofh.hanau.net>; from lists@openunix.de on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 11:33:49PM +0200
References: <20010927233349.A1581@fgk.bofh.hanau.net>
Message-ID: <20010930170742.A24235@orion.bofh.hanau.net>

On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 11:33:49PM +0200, Franz Georg K?hler <lists at openunix.de> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> I'm currently running mailman 1.1 and experiencing problems with
> mailman's recognition of member's posts.

I don't seem to have this problem on this list, are there any changes
since v. 1.1 related to this?






From miki at canaan.co.il  Sun Sep 30 19:01:30 2001
From: miki at canaan.co.il (Ben-Nes Michael)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:01:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members by other users
Message-ID: <00b401c149d1$8d484200$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il>

Hi

I need to be able executing remove_members by other users ( like nobody )

Is it possible ?

--------------------------
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Internet Service Providers
Ben-Nes Michael - Manager
Tel: 972-4-6991122
http://sites.canaan.co.il
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Sep 30 23:10:39 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:10:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members by other users
In-Reply-To: <00b401c149d1$8d484200$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il>
References: <00b401c149d1$8d484200$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il>
Message-ID: <01093017103900.00987@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 30 September 2001 13:01, Ben-Nes Michael wrote:
> Hi
>
> I need to be able executing remove_members by other users ( like nobody )
>
> Is it possible ?

The program is open-source, so yes, you can make it do whatever you like.

There is a binary called "remove_members" in ~mailman/bin/...  it can 
remove anyone from any list.   Of course you need telnet or ssh access to 
the server to use it.  If you need to make this possible via the web, then 
you will need to do some writing (or selective deleting).

You could always make available to the public the Admin "membership 
management" page.  Though I would disable the add function in this case 
(for the publicly available page).

Doing that would be fairly easy, I would estimate an experienced 
admin/hacker could do it in about 6 hours.

Good luck - Jon Carnes



From jtwhitlock at kih.net  Sun Sep 30 23:43:09 2001
From: jtwhitlock at kih.net (JT Whitlock)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unscribe> jtwhitlock@kih.net
Message-ID: <003301c149f8$e606b1c0$a8895940@jtw>

Please unscribe jtwhitlock at kih.net.  I signed up by mistake, mostly due to being a partial dummy with computers.
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