From jock.coats at jcsolutions.co.uk  Mon Apr  1 01:25:28 2002
From: jock.coats at jcsolutions.co.uk (Jock Coats)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:25:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions
References: <3.0.1.32.20020331091328.012a4528@pop.ceinetworks.com>
Message-ID: <3CA79AE8.2010602@jcsolutions.co.uk>

CJ Rhoads wrote:

>First off, I'd like to thank you heartily for the work that you (and other,
>I assume) have done on Mailman.  It is wonderful.
>
>I noticed on the wish list a couple of things that I had hoped Mailman can
>do.  I'd like to verify that the current version cannot do these things and
>find out if there is a workaround.  Alternatively, perhaps I misunderstood
>and simply need to know what I need to do in order to accomplish my
>objectives.
>
>1.  I want my subscribers to be able to subscribe with an email so I can
>ask them for their email and have my web page automatically subscribe them
>(after replying to a confirmation email, of course.  Just like Yahoo groups
>works).  
>
Funny enough I just did this last night for a project.  I'm no great 
shakes as a coder so there may be other ways of doing it but I put the 
following HTML into a web page:

<form target="_blank" Method=POST 
ACTION="http://www.domain.org/mailman/subscribe/listname">
<center>
<span class="pn-normal">Subscribe to our<br>
Campaign 2002<br>
infolist -</span><br>
<span class="pn-title">Working to Win!</span><br><br>
<span class="pn-normal">Your email address:</span><br>
<input type="Text" name="email" size="15"><br>
<input type="hidden" name="pw" value="password">
<input type="hidden" name="pw-conf" value="password">
<input type="hidden" name="digest" value="0">
<input type="Submit" name="email-button" value="Subscribe"><br><br>
or <a href="http://www.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/listname" 
target="_blank"><strong>CLICK HERE</strong></a> for information about 
the list.
</center>
</form>

See it in action at http://wwwoxfordlibdems.org.uk/

>2.  I want to be able to suppress all the long headers sent out in the
>messages.  Most of my subscribers are totally computer illiterate and that
>long page of addresses and useful information will just confuse the heck
>out of them.  I wouldn't mind having it at the bottom, but currently they
>have to scroll to see the actual message - which is not optimum.
>
I don't see them.  Unless in Netscape Mail I turn on all headers.  And I 
would never do that unless I particularly want to trace something.  It's 
only four extra lines isn't it over and above a lot of headers that your 
users will be seeing on a zillion other ordinary e-mails?  Tell them to 
switch off all headers.

>
>Can you help?
>
Hope that helps

Jock

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From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Mon Apr  1 01:10:26 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:10:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about your program
In-Reply-To: <JMEKIOKIIHPIKOOLEMHKCEEMKNAA.theparsons@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203311509000.12910-100000@localhost>

On Mar 30, 2002 at 14:04, theparsons wrote:

>of yahoogroups and their failings.  But...I can't figure out whether your
>program allows attachments to emails, whether it archives those attachments
>and if yes to both those, what are the size limits of attachments to
>individual emails, and the limit to the total amount of archives available.

yes, yes, configurable[0], I dunno.


[0] Total size of an individual email is limited. Mailman doesn't
recognize attachments, it only recognizes mail messages. It doesn't
care abnout content. See the FAQs.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
Back up my hard drive? I can't find the reverse switch!




From listmom at travellercentral.com  Mon Apr  1 04:03:17 2002
From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:03:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting the digest Volume number
Message-ID: <B8CCFFE5.33A25%listmom@travellercentral.com>

How does one reset the digest volume number and issue number.  I am
converting from majordomo to mailman and need to keep the numbering
consistent (i.e.  I want to set the volume to 2002 and the issue to 300)

Thanks Tod




From Thugworld2 at aol.com  Mon Apr  1 04:20:31 2002
From: Thugworld2 at aol.com (Thugworld2 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 21:20:31 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user
Message-ID: <4b.1ae4097e.29d91def@aol.com>

Im new to mailman and im having some trouble. I dont even get how this forum 
works. 

here is the problem 

anyone cause use the name at mailinglist.com. I dont wnat this to happen I want 
to be the only one that can post to it. I check the directions and stated 
only I can send messaged but when I tested it out from a diffrent email 
adress it still went to the approval section. 

the I took off the approval thing and still anyone can send email tomy 
members. IF anyone has AOL or PAL TALk please contact me for better 
understanding. I think a PALTALk room would be good for this. 
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From brooksj at wildhorse.com  Mon Apr  1 06:42:45 2002
From: brooksj at wildhorse.com (Desert Hawk)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 21:42:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] use of patch 413752
Message-ID: <200204010440.g314e5wA038991@ns1.wildhorse.com>

Okay, I'm missing something here, and I'm not sure what.  :)

I'm setting up a new list for use off my home server.  Now using
Mailman 2.0.8, Python 2.1.1, FreeBSD 4.4

Everything went quick and easy until I tried adding features to
strip out MIME'd postings.

I decided to use the patch listed at sourceforge rather than
stripmime or demime.  No reason, just seemed the easier thing
to try.  I may still end up changing my mind  ;)

Downloaded patch 0.16.  Applied the patch (had to manually add the
changes to Defaults.py because my defaults didn't match what the
diffs were looking for).  Made sure all in ~mailman/Mailman was
updated.  Mailman still runs fine.  The HTML in test postings to 
the list is not stripped out. 

I also can't seem to find any "operational" instructions for how 
to activate the new feature...unless the patch is supposed to 
automatically turn it on when added?  If that's the case, what'd 
I miss?

If it matters, the list was created *before* the patch was applied;
does that affect it's operation?

Anyone else here using that patch that can point me in the right 
direction?


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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  1 11:13:54 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:13:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Rich Gordon" <webmaster@bestafs.com> 
   of "Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:49:23 PST." <003501c1d8f5$8b96fd80$5f1efea9@computer2> 
References: <003501c1d8f5$8b96fd80$5f1efea9@computer2> 
Message-ID: <12573.1017652434@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:49:23 -0800 
Rich Gordon <webmaster at bestafs.com> wrote:

> "Message has implicit destination"

> How do I correct this problem?

Have you checked the FAQ?

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  1 11:14:29 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:14:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers, etc... 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Boothe <dboothe@attbi.com> 
   of "Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:22:05 EST." <5.1.0.14.2.20020329191829.00b49548@mail.attbi.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329191829.00b49548@mail.attbi.com> 
Message-ID: <12583.1017652469@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:22:05 -0500 
David Boothe <dboothe at attbi.com> wrote:

> I like some of the features of MailMan a lot but all those headers
> just have to go!  

Have you checked the FAQ?

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  1 11:15:25 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:15:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from CJ Rhoads <CJRhoads@ETMAssociates.com> 
   of "Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:13:28 EST." <3.0.1.32.20020331091328.012a4528@pop.ceinetworks.com> 
References: <3.0.1.32.20020331091328.012a4528@pop.ceinetworks.com> 
Message-ID: <12610.1017652525@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:13:28 -0500 
CJ Rhoads <CJRhoads at ETMAssociates.com> wrote:

> 2.  I want to be able to suppress all the long headers sent out in the
> messages.  Most of my subscribers are totally computer illiterate and
> that long page of addresses and useful information will just confuse
> the heck out of them.  I wouldn't mind having it at the bottom, but
> currently they have to scroll to see the actual message - which is not
> optimum.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jose at abcnet.es  Mon Apr  1 14:20:15 2002
From: jose at abcnet.es (Jose Delgado)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:20:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] data inside text
Message-ID: <037801c1d977$94140480$0a02a8c0@asterix>


Hello,

How can I include the real e-mail address (and manybe data for a user, like
real username, and key) for a MailMan list message inside
the -body text-?

I.e... like "This message is addressed to the person using the e-mail
user at domain.com, please check this e-mail is correct"





From jonas at freesources.org  Mon Apr  1 16:43:41 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:43:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
In-Reply-To: <003501c1d8f5$8b96fd80$5f1efea9@computer2>
References: <003501c1d8f5$8b96fd80$5f1efea9@computer2>
Message-ID: <20020401144341.GD2322@jonas.server0.de>

On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 12:49:23PM -0800, Rich Gordon wrote:
> I'm a new user of mailman.
> 
> I have set my parameters so that I do not
> have to approve any posted messages yet
> anytime someone posts a message it gets
> sent to me for approval with the following reason:
> 
> "Message has implicit destination"
> How do I correct this problem?

You have to set 'Must post have list named in destination (to,cc) field?'
in Privacy Options to No. 
But read FAQ first (www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py, 1.9).

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Be careful with water -- it's full of hydrogen and oxygen!



From jonas at freesources.org  Mon Apr  1 17:40:06 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:40:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig + 2.0.8
Message-ID: <20020401154006.GA4561@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

I'm running self-compiled mailman-2.0.8. (/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8).
Now I want to install the patch for htdig.
but which patch is the right for 2.0.8. And then? Simply copying it to
~/mailman-2.0.8 and type 'patch -p1 patchfile' doesn't make anything.
If I look at the patchfile it looks like run one dir over mailman-2.0.8.
And there are two src-dirs. mailman-2.0.8-index and mailman-2.0.8-htdig.
Isn't there a step-by-step doc what to do? Or do I have to patch manually?

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware.



From rjones at email.unc.edu  Mon Apr  1 19:03:33 2002
From: rjones at email.unc.edu (RUSSELL P JONES)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:03:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail log...
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0204011201270.47366-100000@login9.isis.unc.edu>

Ive been running into problems with getting the listserve mail through the
server. I get no error message in response, but it is not getting
through. Currently the program is configured with-mail-gid=1, and that
group-id is the daemon id. Sendmail logs show the mail successfully
getting forwarded from the alias listserv name to the wrapper, and then
later in the log, a slew of error messages saying something like daemon no
accepting connections from this server, load-average = 24 

something like that...

any ideas?






From cassagne at club-internet.fr  Mon Apr  1 21:20:39 2002
From: cassagne at club-internet.fr (Herve Cassagne)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:20:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change the default value for ACK and DIGEST ?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020401210506.01e79470@mail.club-internet.fr>

Hi folks,


For a new subscriber, by default the setting  account is (ampongst other 
things):
- NOACK (the member does not get acknowledgements of his posts)
- If DIGEST, the format is PLAIN.

I'd like to change the defalt value to :
- ACK: ack (the members do get acknowledgements of their posts),
- DIGEST: MIME

Any clue ?

Best from Paris, France
Herve'





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Apr  1 21:30:20 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:30:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change the default value for ACK and DIGEST ?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020401210506.01e79470@mail.club-internet.fr>
References: <4.2.0.58.20020401210506.01e79470@mail.club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <20020401193020.GB2909@merlins.org>

On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:20:39PM +0200, Herve Cassagne wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> 
> For a new subscriber, by default the setting  account is (ampongst other 
> things):
> - NOACK (the member does not get acknowledgements of his posts)
> - If DIGEST, the format is PLAIN.
> 
> I'd like to change the defalt value to :
> - ACK: ack (the members do get acknowledgements of their posts),
> - DIGEST: MIME
 
This is an option in mailman 2.1 (in beta right now), see
DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py
 
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From cspencer at cait.org  Mon Apr  1 23:18:03 2002
From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:18:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generating HTML archives?
Message-ID: <F396CCC7-45B5-11D6-BE8A-000502594F5E@cait.org>

I have installed and configured mailman on Debian using apache for the 
web server.

I am able to send mail to the list and perform all list management, etc 
successfully.

However, the archives are not being generated at all, though the full 
body of the messages is available.

Any ideas where I should start?

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System and Network Administrator
Center for the Application of Information Technologies
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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Apr  1 23:39:13 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:39:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: generating HTML archives?
In-Reply-To: <F396CCC7-45B5-11D6-BE8A-000502594F5E@cait.org>
References: <F396CCC7-45B5-11D6-BE8A-000502594F5E@cait.org>
Message-ID: <20020401213913.GB18637@hq.newdream.net>

Chris Spencer wrote:

> I have installed and configured mailman on Debian using apache for the 
> web server.
> 
> I am able to send mail to the list and perform all list management, etc 
> successfully.
> 
> However, the archives are not being generated at all, though the full 
> body of the messages is available.
> 
> Any ideas where I should start?

do you have the alias for /pipermail in your apache config?

have you looked in /var/lib/mailman/archives/{public|private} to see if
the html archives are actually being generated?

are there any errors in the mailman logs?

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From eprussell at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  1 08:28:42 2002
From: eprussell at shaw.ca (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:28:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add to wishlist
Message-ID: <3CA7FE1A.93F641E9@shaw.ca>

I am a List Manager on a Lyris produced mailing list.  There are Spam
attacks frequently occurring due to a loophole in the subscription
routine.

A Spam artist trawls the Internet and discovers both the subscription
address and the posting address of the group.

The Spammer prepares an identical message to sell goods or services and
sends one to the subscription address and a short time later to the
posting address (this is my deduction so details could vary). Members
suddenly get a Spam message, which sends them ballistic and they write
message of annoyance to the list.

I intervened and required all new subscribers to be approved.  That's
when I saw the server's advice on a new subscription.  I scrolled down
the subscription request and read the Spam message.

POINT:  It would be GREAT if a mailing list server would reject any
subscription request which contained more than the "subscribe ......."
commands.

I believe our site administrators are interested in the Mailman
software.  I am hoping that the SPAM scam can be defeated with your
software.

Eric Russell



From jose at abcnet.es  Mon Apr  1 13:33:11 2002
From: jose at abcnet.es (Jose Delgado)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:33:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman question
Message-ID: <032d01c1d971$00f7dba0$0a02a8c0@asterix>



Hello,

How can I include the real e-mail address for a MailMan list message inside
the -body text-?

I.e... like "This message is addressed to the person using the e-mail
user at domain.com, please check this e-mail is correct"

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From kayron at olpbc.com  Mon Apr  1 14:08:16 2002
From: kayron at olpbc.com (Ron & Karen Colson)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 07:08:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion
Message-ID: <MDEJJLLPJJANJLHNABEIOEAMCCAA.kayron@olpbc.com>

I would like to add to the wish list the ability to set (or designate) some
subscribers for receiving only, withholding from them the ability to post to
the list.
Ron & Karen Colson
KayRon at olpbc.com


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From tirloni at bs2.com.br  Mon Apr  1 15:38:40 2002
From: tirloni at bs2.com.br (Giovanni P. Tirloni)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:38:40 -0300 (BRT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not delivering
Message-ID: <20020401103503.S80576-100000@aline.bs2.com.br>

Hi,

 I had Mailman 2.0.8 working perfectly last week but for unknown
reason it's not delivering the messages anymore. The email is
sent to "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist" and nothing
happens. This is happening with all (7) mailing lists I have. Any idea
what it could be ? There's nothing in the pending tasks.

Thanks in advance,

 --
 Giovanni P. Tirloni





From scriptures at ifriendly.com  Mon Apr  1 17:32:38 2002
From: scriptures at ifriendly.com (scriptures)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:32:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <000501c1d992$95cd5900$e02ed343@ifriendly.com>

To Webmaster,

I have Mailman 1.1 from iFriendly.com.

How can I set the "General Options" so email addresses
are automatically deleted after three (3) bounces?  


God Bless,

Rosario Abate




From tbaker at advancedautomationinc.com  Mon Apr  1 18:39:15 2002
From: tbaker at advancedautomationinc.com (Ted Baker)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:39:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <LPBBLFHPKGPCJOOJDOKOMEAFDEAA.tbaker@advancedautomationinc.com>

We have created mailing lists through our site at Canaca.com.  Everything is
working great, but we would like the ability to find a person's email
address without having to scroll through the entire list.  Is this possible.

Thanks.





From colin at mackinlay.demon.co.uk  Mon Apr  1 20:32:44 2002
From: colin at mackinlay.demon.co.uk (Colin Mackinlay)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:32:44 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig + 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <20020401154006.GA4561@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.53-0401183244-0b0hxQ&@demon.co.uk>

In <URL:news:local.mailman> on Mon 01 Apr, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm running self-compiled mailman-2.0.8. (/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8).
> Now I want to install the patch for htdig.
> but which patch is the right for 2.0.8. And then? Simply copying it to
> ~/mailman-2.0.8 and type 'patch -p1 patchfile' doesn't make anything.
> If I look at the patchfile it looks like run one dir over mailman-2.0.8.
> And there are two src-dirs. mailman-2.0.8-index and mailman-2.0.8-htdig.
> Isn't there a step-by-step doc what to do? Or do I have to patch manually?
> 
The step by step manual is in the htdig distribution. Have a look at
htdoc/install.html or visit the website www.htdig.org

Stick with it, I did and I am very pleased with the results.

Colin

-- 
Colin Mackinlay




From jock.coats at jcsolutions.co.uk  Tue Apr  2 01:09:35 2002
From: jock.coats at jcsolutions.co.uk (Jock Coats)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:09:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion
References: <MDEJJLLPJJANJLHNABEIOEAMCCAA.kayron@olpbc.com>
Message-ID: <3CA8E8AF.8090804@jcsolutions.co.uk>

Ron & Karen Colson wrote:

> I would like to add to the wish list the ability to set (or designate) 
> some subscribers for receiving only, withholding from them the ability 
> to post to the list.
>
> Ron & Karen Colson
> KayRon at olpbc.com
>
>  
>
How big are your lists?  You can do this now in a small way by giving a 
group of addresses the right to post without moderation.  Privacy 
options I think.

-- 

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************************************************************






From mailman-ml at dettmering.org  Tue Apr  2 00:35:59 2002
From: mailman-ml at dettmering.org (Dirk Dettmering)
Date: Tue,  2 Apr 2002 00:35:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig + 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <20020401154006.GA4561@jonas.server0.de>
References: <20020401154006.GA4561@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <1017700559.3ca8e0cf58cd0@imp.dettmering.org>

Hy,

Jonas Meurer <jonas at freesources.org> wrote:
> I'm running self-compiled mailman-2.0.8.
> (/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8).
> Now I want to install the patch for htdig.
> but which patch is the right for 2.0.8. And then? Simply copying it
> to
> ~/mailman-2.0.8 and type 'patch -p1 patchfile' doesn't make
> anything.
> If I look at the patchfile it looks like run one dir over
> mailman-2.0.8.
> And there are two src-dirs. mailman-2.0.8-index and
> mailman-2.0.8-htdig.
> Isn't there a step-by-step doc what to do? Or do I have to patch
> manually?

You need to patch the sources of mailman.
If you use Redhat and postfix you can use my modified mailman rpm 
package (its the original redhat package patched with both patches and 
repackaged with the name mailman-htdig to avoid the overwriting be 
updates):
ftp://ftp.dettmering.org/pub/linux/mailman/mailman-htdig-2.0.8-1.i386.r
pm
ftp://ftp.dettmering.org/pub/linux/mailman/mailman-htdig-2.0.8-1.src.rp
m

If you want to use them with sendmail do the following:
rpm -i mailman-htdig-2.0.8-1.src.rpm
cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
edit mailman-htdig.spec with the editor of your choice and change lines 
22 and 23:
%define mailgroup mail
%define mailgid   12
Then rebuild the packages with rpm -ba mailman-htdig.spec.

Everything without any warranty!

Bye

Dirk



From mailman at linkpro.net  Tue Apr  2 00:43:03 2002
From: mailman at linkpro.net (Damon Linkous)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:43:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Control over monthly reminder?
Message-ID: <07b601c1d9ce$96bf62e0$9cac5241@webchecker>

My list is on Mailman 2.06 with a virtual host where I only have access to the web admin pages.

The only control I see over the monthly reminder function is whether to send it at all. I'd like to
be able to edit the message to not include mailing the password. I would just include instructions
for retrieving a lost password. Can this be done?

Damon Linkous
Hobie 18 Magnum
Memphis Tennessee
http://www.TheBeachcats.com
http://lists.thebeachcats.com/mailman/listinfo/beachcats





From jonas at freesources.org  Tue Apr  2 01:18:08 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:18:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <000501c1d992$95cd5900$e02ed343@ifriendly.com>
References: <000501c1d992$95cd5900$e02ed343@ifriendly.com>
Message-ID: <20020401231808.GA12490@jonas.server0.de>

On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 10:32:38AM -0500, scriptures wrote:
> I have Mailman 1.1 from iFriendly.com.

I would download newer mailman from list.org. 2.0.8 is the newest version.

I think it's senceless to run older versions.

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.



From jonas at freesources.org  Tue Apr  2 01:49:13 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 01:49:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not able to compile mailman2.1b1
Message-ID: <20020401234913.GA12626@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,
I have big problems with compiling mailman-2.1b1:
I make everything like described in INSTALL. But at 'make install' it says:
---
[ ... ]
Compiling /opt/mailman21//Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /opt/mailman21//Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 44, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths
make: *** [update] Error 1
---

I've installed python2.2 on Debian GNU/Linux with Kernel 2.4.16.
Anybody an idea?

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Claiming that your operating system is the best in the world because more 
people use it is like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world.



From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Tue Apr  2 01:54:19 2002
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 01:54:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & pythonlib install
Message-ID: <3CA8F32B.C4AB4073@musikelit.nu>

What is the best way to make Python 2.2 load the modules in
$prefix/pythonlib? During the make process on MacOS X, the following
message is produced:

> warning: install: modules installed to '/Users/mailman/pythonlib/', 
> which is not in Python's module search path (sys.path) -- you'll have 
> to change the search path yourself

So, how is the Python module search path changed?

	/ Peter Bengtson



From jrhay at haya.qc.ca  Tue Apr  2 07:19:21 2002
From: jrhay at haya.qc.ca (James R. Hay)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:19:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "list not found
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402001707.00aacb40@mail.rocler.qc.ca>

Hi folks,

I'm on the road so don't have not got my usual access to resources so if 
I've missed something just send me in the right dircetion.  Recently I 
created several lists but when we send mail to them they bounce with an 
error "list not found" and a reason of 1.

Any suggestions of where to lok for what didn't get done right?

Thanks very much.

TTFN,
Jim.


James R. Hay                                    jrhay at haya.qc.ca
Hay-Net Networks
P.O. Box 46051
CSP Ctr. Pointe Claire
Pointe Claire, QC
Canada  H9R 5R4




From olwen at ossg.info  Tue Apr  2 07:40:30 2002
From: olwen at ossg.info (Olwen Williams)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:40:30 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list
Message-ID: <3CA9444E.10405@ossg.info>

Mailman is pre-installed with web-hosting I have.  I'm considering
moving a large active list to it.  There are currently over 5000 members
on the Yahoogroups list,  with 50-100 messages a day, fully-moderated by
a panel of moderators.  I feel sure mailman could cope with the volumes,
but can anyone give me a feel for the bandwidth involved with a list of
this size?





From ajithvisu at indiainfo.com  Tue Apr  2 10:26:01 2002
From: ajithvisu at indiainfo.com (viswanathan)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:56:01 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] selective moderated list
Message-ID: <200204020819.g328JtM05432@localhost.localdomain>

hi all

I want to know whether the following is possible with mailman.

I run a mailserver for the domain xyz.com and i have created a list called 
everyone at xyz.com.

All the members who have an email id <at>xyz.com is a member of the list.

Now i want only a selected list of people to send messages to this list.
And for the remaining people it should bounce saying "you are not allowed to 
send mail to this id"

Please help me.

-viswanathan



From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Tue Apr  2 11:00:09 2002
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:00:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Module search path in Python/Mailman
Message-ID: <3CA97319.C89BA466@musikelit.nu>

What is the recommended way to extend Python's module search path when
using Mailman? When compiling Mailman (MacOS X), the following warning appears:

> warning: install: modules installed to '/Users/mailman/pythonlib/', 
> which is not in Python's module search path (sys.path) -- you'll have 
> to change the search path yourself

And when Mailman is run, a posting to the moderated "Mailman" list
results in a message which keeps coming back hundreds of times:

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/Users/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
>     from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
>   File "../Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
> ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO

So: should i use $PYTHONPATH dynamically? Or should i set up a symbolic
link in site-packages plus a .pth file? Does this file need to contain
all the subdirectories (email + japanese and further down?) Do I need to
recompile or is this a dynamic process? Should I add the
/Users/mailman/pythonlib directory somewhere in the ./configure
invocation. 

There is absolutely no documentation about this in the 2.1 Mailman beta
distribution. Searching the Python site reveals several strategies, but
it is difficult to know the optimal one to use with Mailman.

Grateful for any help.

	/ Peter Bengtson



From rsierra at us.es  Tue Apr  2 14:35:36 2002
From: rsierra at us.es (Rafael Sierra del Pino)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:35:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Language support to spanish
Message-ID: <AHEPLLMMMNABGHDBBDDFMEPECNAA.rsierra@us.es>

Hi folks:

Have you got language support to Spanish?


Thanks a lot for your attention.
________________________
Rafael Sierra del Pino
Servicio de Inform?tica y Comunicaciones




From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Tue Apr  2 15:42:53 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:42:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list
References: <3CA9444E.10405@ossg.info>
Message-ID: <003501c1da4c$4b996bc0$0200a8c0@BABA>

Hi,

Assuming an average message size of 10 KB, and an average of 75 e-mails per day,
mailman will be sending out:

0.01 x 75 x 5000 = 3750MB = 3.75 GB per day

(i.e. mail_size_in_MB x mail_per_day x no_of_members)

That works out to 112.5 GB per month.

I suspect your ISP will want to charge you a lot of extra for that kind of
bandwidth usage....

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Olwen Williams" <olwen at ossg.info>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:40 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list


> Mailman is pre-installed with web-hosting I have.  I'm considering
> moving a large active list to it.  There are currently over 5000 members
> on the Yahoogroups list,  with 50-100 messages a day, fully-moderated by
> a panel of moderators.  I feel sure mailman could cope with the volumes,
> but can anyone give me a feel for the bandwidth involved with a list of
> this size?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Tue Apr  2 15:56:20 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:56:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not delivering
References: <20020401103503.S80576-100000@aline.bs2.com.br>
Message-ID: <00a301c1da4f$acf01010$0200a8c0@BABA>

What MTA do you use?  Have you checked that it's working ok?

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Giovanni P. Tirloni" <tirloni at bs2.com.br>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not delivering


> Hi,
>
>  I had Mailman 2.0.8 working perfectly last week but for unknown
> reason it's not delivering the messages anymore. The email is
> sent to "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist" and nothing
> happens. This is happening with all (7) mailing lists I have. Any idea
> what it could be ? There's nothing in the pending tasks.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>  --
>  Giovanni P. Tirloni
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Tue Apr  2 16:23:17 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:23:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list
Message-ID: <00d701c1da51$f0d93f20$0200a8c0@BABA>

Hi,

A quick question: how do you delete a list?

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine




From pinpointsys at btinternet.com  Tue Apr  2 00:08:44 2002
From: pinpointsys at btinternet.com (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:08:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig + 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <20020401154006.GA4561@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020401225303.00ae5a38@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 17:40 01/04/2002 +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'm running self-compiled mailman-2.0.8. (/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8).
>Now I want to install the patch for htdig.
>but which patch is the right for 2.0.8. And then? Simply copying it to
>~/mailman-2.0.8 and type 'patch -p1 patchfile' doesn't make anything.
>If I look at the patchfile it looks like run one dir over mailman-2.0.8.
>And there are two src-dirs. mailman-2.0.8-index and mailman-2.0.8-htdig.
>Isn't there a step-by-step doc what to do? Or do I have to patch manually?

The information at source forge and in the patches says you need to apply 
both of these patches 444879 and then 444884, in that order, to your 
mailman build directory i.e.:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

and from 444879 you need file: indexing-2.0.6.patch

and from 444884 you need file: htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch

Assuming these two files are in the directory above your Mailman build 
directory then from INSIDE your Mailman build directory type the commands:

   patch -p1 < indexing-2.0.6.patch
   patch -p1 < htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch

Then read the file INSTALL.htdig-mm which the second patch should have 
installed in your Mailman build directory and goes into a lot of boring detail.

After installing the patches you have to run ./configure and make install 
to get the integration applied to your running Mailman install directory..


>Bye
>  Jonas




From pinpointsys at btinternet.com  Tue Apr  2 00:11:03 2002
From: pinpointsys at btinternet.com (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:11:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig + 2.0.8
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020401230957.0408c408@mail.btinternet.com>

Correction to patch commands in my initial response.

At 17:40 01/04/2002 +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I'm running self-compiled mailman-2.0.8. (/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8).
>Now I want to install the patch for htdig.
>but which patch is the right for 2.0.8. And then? Simply copying it to
>~/mailman-2.0.8 and type 'patch -p1 patchfile' doesn't make anything.
>If I look at the patchfile it looks like run one dir over mailman-2.0.8.
>And there are two src-dirs. mailman-2.0.8-index and mailman-2.0.8-htdig.
>Isn't there a step-by-step doc what to do? Or do I have to patch manually?

The information at source forge and in the patches says you need to apply 
both of these patches 444879 and then 444884, in that order, to your 
mailman build directory i.e.:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

and from 444879 you need file: indexing-2.0.6.patch

and from 444884 you need file: htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch

Assuming these two files are in the directory above your Mailman build 
directory then from INSIDE your Mailman build directory type the commands:

   patch -p1 < ../indexing-2.0.6.patch
   patch -p1 < ../htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch

Then read the file INSTALL.htdig-mm which the second patch should have 
installed in your Mailman build directory and goes into a lot of boring detail.

After installing the patches you have to run ./configure and make install 
to get the integration applied to your running Mailman install directory..


>Bye
>  Jonas




From sany at sanyips.com  Tue Apr  2 00:20:21 2002
From: sany at sanyips.com (SANY Ski Reporting)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:20:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a common problem I think
Message-ID: <04cd01c1d9cb$698b2640$0b010a0a@studio>

I have read the troubleshooting info about the error I get when trying to
post to my list...but nothing I seem to do will make it work.

I installed Mailman using the Mandrake rpm for 8.2

Has anyone had experiecne with this problem or can you point me in the
direction of more info about it.  Nothing I try seems to make it work.  And
I have read the trouble shooting info that came with the program...


Thanks


Command died with status 2:
    "/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to
    exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 506.  (Reconfigure to take 506?)






---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/26/2002




From olwen at ihug.co.nz  Tue Apr  2 07:35:03 2002
From: olwen at ihug.co.nz (Olwen Williams)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:35:03 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list
Message-ID: <3CA94307.6000505@ihug.co.nz>

Mailman is pre-installed with web-hosting I have.  I'm considering 
moving a large active list to it.  There are currently over 5000 members 
on the Yahoogroups list,  with 50-100 messages a day, fully-moderated by 
a panel of moderators.  I feel sure mailman could cope with the volumes, 
but can anyone give me a feel for the bandwidth involved with a list of 
this size?




From mmatoso at igc.gulbenkian.pt  Tue Apr  2 12:12:35 2002
From: mmatoso at igc.gulbenkian.pt (Maria Matoso)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:12:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscription
Message-ID: <FHEPKDBCJBAMKIAEANKLEEJKCCAA.mmatoso@igc.gulbenkian.pt>

Hello

Can I prevent members from unsubscribing (mandatory membership)?


Maria Matoso
Instituto Gulbenkian de Ci?ncia
Rua da Quinta Grande, 6
2780-156 Oeiras

Tel. + 351 21 440 79 26
Fax  + 351 21 441 08 52




From ralf.blank at historisches-centrum.de  Tue Apr  2 15:36:08 2002
From: ralf.blank at historisches-centrum.de (Ralf Blank)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:36:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request for help
Message-ID: <000901c1da4b$5cc5e500$428125c3@hapc6845>

Hello,

Since last week we have a problem with mailman. Several messages of some
lists were send out to the subscribers in more than one time (up to 4x).

Are there any ideas or instructions for repair this error?

Sincerely,

Ralf




From aaargh at cal052303.student.utwente.nl  Tue Apr  2 15:26:20 2002
From: aaargh at cal052303.student.utwente.nl (Tom van Wietmarschen)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:26:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman HTML filter ?
Message-ID: <20020402132620.GA15197@deepthought.student.utwente.nl>

Hi,

Is there a way to filter HTML mail sent to a Mailman mailing list ?
(the HTML has to be converted to plain text). 
Some users on the mailing list keep sending HTML mail (hotmail...) which 
is kinda annoying.

Aaargh!



From felipe at dorothea.com.br  Tue Apr  2 16:03:58 2002
From: felipe at dorothea.com.br (Felipe Scuciatto dos Santos)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:03:58 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using another smtp with mailman
Message-ID: <3CA9BA4E.D7BB3B41@dorothea.com.br>

Hello !

Sorry for asking you, but a couldn?t find this answer.

First of all ...

I work at a High School .. I?m from Brazil, and I want to use mailman
but I want it to send the mails using another smtp server, I don?t want
the localhost ...

How can I set the IP of my smtp server using the mailman ?????

Thanks lot  .....

-----------------------------------------------
Felipe Scuciatto dos Santos
Instituto Sinodal Dorothea Sch?fke - Inform?tica
http://www.dorothea.com.br
felipe at dorothea.com.br



From ansel at lambdares.com  Tue Apr  2 16:19:32 2002
From: ansel at lambdares.com (Ansel Freniere)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:19:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo Interface?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402091243.027e21b0@pop.lambdares.com>

I am not a member of this list, so flames and other replies should go to 
this return address.

I would like to move our lists to Mailman from Majordomo, but Management 
wants any new system to be backward compatible with the Majordomo e-mail 
command interface.  Does mailman have this capability built in?  The only 
evidence I have found is on the Features page where it mentions 
"Majordomo-style email based commands."  Specifically, if someone signs up 
with majordomo commands, how is their password assigned?

The real question is: What are the issues with migration of existing lists 
from majordomo to mailman?

TIA.

-Ansel.




From quartertone at mac.com  Tue Apr  2 16:24:28 2002
From: quartertone at mac.com (Gary Wang)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:24:28 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list
In-Reply-To: <00d701c1da51$f0d93f20$0200a8c0@BABA>
Message-ID: <579094AE-4645-11D6-8572-0003930418EA@mac.com>

cd ~mailman
bin/rmlist listname
or
bin/rmlist -a listname
if you want to remove archives as well.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 11:23  PM, Baba wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A quick question: how do you delete a list?
>
> --
> Baba the Cat
> www.catbaba.com
> PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
> "I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
> infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
gary c wang
ICQ: 4343405




From alex at phred.org  Tue Apr  2 16:36:34 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 06:36:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list
In-Reply-To: <003501c1da4c$4b996bc0$0200a8c0@BABA>
Message-ID: <20020402062347.S74847-100000@phred.org>

It probably won't be quite that bad though, because your MTA will
probably batch multiple recipients on a message who are in the same
domain.

10kb is also a very large average message size.  The average message
size on my lists is a lot closer to 1kb.

My system hosts two fairly large lists.  One is 1600 members and has
an average of 50 messages per day.  The other is 1000 members and has
an average of 80 messages per day.  I find that my total bandwidth
usage is about 10gb-12gb per month, and that includes personal use of
my DSL connection (ie, it isn't all mail).

Current counters from my MTA:
43.61 day uptime
1,675,934 messages sent
10,198,549,774 bytes

Switching that to per month:
30 days
1,152,901 messages sent
7,015,741,646

In March 5428 messages were sent out on my lists.  That works out to
212 messages sent by my MTA for each message sent by a list on
average (kind of a meaningless number unless I work out how many
recipients each message went to, so that I can figure out how many
messages my MTA sends per recipient).

I am doing one major thing different than most mailman users.  My MTA
is Windows 2000 SMTP Server, which has no problem sending one message
to multiple domains at the same time.  This means that my batching
number is very high (currently mailman sends 1000 recipients to my MTA
per message).  Most people recommend setting this to a much lower
number (5 or 10) on Unix MTAs because they can't send the same message
to two domains at the same time (or that is my understanding).

alex

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Baba wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Assuming an average message size of 10 KB, and an average of 75 e-mails per day,
> mailman will be sending out:
>
> 0.01 x 75 x 5000 = 3750MB = 3.75 GB per day
>
> (i.e. mail_size_in_MB x mail_per_day x no_of_members)
>
> That works out to 112.5 GB per month.
>
> I suspect your ISP will want to charge you a lot of extra for that kind of
> bandwidth usage....
>
> --
> Baba the Cat
> www.catbaba.com
> PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
> "I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
> infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Olwen Williams" <olwen at ossg.info>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list
>
>
> > Mailman is pre-installed with web-hosting I have.  I'm considering
> > moving a large active list to it.  There are currently over 5000 members
> > on the Yahoogroups list,  with 50-100 messages a day, fully-moderated by
> > a panel of moderators.  I feel sure mailman could cope with the volumes,
> > but can anyone give me a feel for the bandwidth involved with a list of
> > this size?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




From Valter at SitiDinamici.com  Tue Apr  2 17:33:26 2002
From: Valter at SitiDinamici.com (Valter Mazzola - SitiDinamici.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:33:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <20020402153327.0417620F60@sitidinamici.homeftp.org>

i'm using mailman 2.1b1, python 2.2. qmail-to-mailman.py

In qmail's current log file i can find:

@400000003caa2c9b1d4d0f7c delivery 67: deferral:
exceptions.OSError_[Errno_2]_No_such_file_or_directory/Line_103/

# cat /home/mailman/.qmail-default
|preline /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py

 thanks,
 valter



From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Tue Apr  2 17:41:13 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:41:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a common problem I think
References: <04cd01c1d9cb$698b2640$0b010a0a@studio>
Message-ID: <001f01c1da5c$d4d46420$0200a8c0@BABA>

The best thing to do is to compile Mailman from source.  The INSTALL file that
comes with the source will tell you all you need to know.  Remember to add:

--with-mail-gid=506

to your configure options.

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine

----- Original Message -----
From: "SANY Ski Reporting" <sany at sanyips.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:20 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a common problem I think


> I have read the troubleshooting info about the error I get when trying to
> post to my list...but nothing I seem to do will make it work.
>
> I installed Mailman using the Mandrake rpm for 8.2
>
> Has anyone had experiecne with this problem or can you point me in the
> direction of more info about it.  Nothing I try seems to make it work.  And
> I have read the trouble shooting info that came with the program...
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Command died with status 2:
>     "/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to
>     exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 506.  (Reconfigure to take 506?)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/26/2002
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Tue Apr  2 17:45:29 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:45:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo Interface?
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402091243.027e21b0@pop.lambdares.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c1da5d$77e2cad0$0200a8c0@BABA>

You can do a lot of stuff in Mailman using just e-mail based commands.

For an idea of what you can do, send an e-mail to
Mailman-Users-request at python.org with the word 'help' in the subject or body.

If a user signs up via e-mail, they will be sent an automatically generated
password.

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ansel Freniere" <ansel at lambdares.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo Interface?


> I am not a member of this list, so flames and other replies should go to
> this return address.
>
> I would like to move our lists to Mailman from Majordomo, but Management
> wants any new system to be backward compatible with the Majordomo e-mail
> command interface.  Does mailman have this capability built in?  The only
> evidence I have found is on the Features page where it mentions
> "Majordomo-style email based commands."  Specifically, if someone signs up
> with majordomo commands, how is their password assigned?
>
> The real question is: What are the issues with migration of existing lists
> from majordomo to mailman?
>
> TIA.
>
> -Ansel.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Tue Apr  2 17:52:03 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:52:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using another smtp with mailman
References: <3CA9BA4E.D7BB3B41@dorothea.com.br>
Message-ID: <005401c1da5e$6567ffa0$0200a8c0@BABA>

Go to the directory in which Mailman is installed, open the file
Mailman/mm_cfg.py in an editor and add the line:

===
SMTPHOST = 'your.smtp.server.here'
===

to the end.

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Felipe Scuciatto dos Santos" <felipe at dorothea.com.br>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:03 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using another smtp with mailman


Hello !

Sorry for asking you, but a couldn?t find this answer.

First of all ...

I work at a High School .. I?m from Brazil, and I want to use mailman
but I want it to send the mails using another smtp server, I don?t want
the localhost ...

How can I set the IP of my smtp server using the mailman ?????

Thanks lot  .....

-----------------------------------------------
Felipe Scuciatto dos Santos
Instituto Sinodal Dorothea Sch?fke - Inform?tica
http://www.dorothea.com.br
felipe at dorothea.com.br

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From danny at terweij.nl  Tue Apr  2 18:23:20 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:23:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML email and archives
Message-ID: <003a01c1da62$b3fae8e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

Hi,

Like Yahoogroups you can view the archived messages in HTML format. (ie,
users sees no html tags).

Currently, mailman is showing the archived mail in plaint text. Can it be
fully html? (and how?)

Groetjes Danny Terweij






From brooksj at wildhorse.com  Tue Apr  2 18:32:44 2002
From: brooksj at wildhorse.com (Desert Hawk)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:32:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] use of MIME stripping plugins
Message-ID: <20020402092132.G14736-100000@ns1.wildhorse.com>

I'm about ready to try Alex's stripmime.pl, because I've tried
every imaginable configuration and can't seem to get the patch from
sourceforge to work at all...and no one here has fessed up yet
that they've got it working on their install.

I even removed the test list and recreated it, to no avail...
pretty multicolored HTML test posts keep coming through  :)

I patched the source, I patched the already installed code, no
change in behavior (meaning no stripping of HTML).  My list guinea
pigs are gonna get annoyed with how many times I've deleted and
recreated this list.

There don't seem to be any docs other than what's in the patch
itself, so I don't know what else there might be that I'm missing.

Does anyone here have this patch working?  The one listed as
"413752 Coerce posts to plain text.* 2001-04-04 17:23 nobody dairiki"

People keep posting references to it to questions about *how* to
strip HTML, but no one seems to want to tell how they got it working  :)

(using FreeBSD 4.4, sendmail 8.11.6, Python 2.1.1, Mailman 2.0.8)


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jo Brooks, Senior Staff Wizard		brooksj at wildhorse dot com
WildHorse.com				"This is a Unix system...I know this!"





From listmom at travellercentral.com  Tue Apr  2 18:54:22 2002
From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 08:54:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting old archives to mailman
Message-ID: <B8CF223E.34192%listmom@travellercentral.com>

Greetings all.

Is it possible to convert old email archives to mailman archives?  I have
switched over to mailman from majordomo and have a large number of archives
I'd like to integrate with the new email archives being generated by
pipermail.




From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Apr  2 18:12:33 2002
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:12:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pre instaled at host (WAS:Traffic with a large list)
In-Reply-To: <E16sPRA-0003od-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402100940.0292c3c0@localhost>

Olwen Williams wrote:
>Mailman is pre-installed with web-hosting I have.

      Do tell, what host is that?


Reality: a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there!
<>< Paul




From skip at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 19:07:09 2002
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:07:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] use of MIME stripping plugins
In-Reply-To: <20020402092132.G14736-100000@ns1.wildhorse.com>
References: <20020402092132.G14736-100000@ns1.wildhorse.com>
Message-ID: <15529.58685.844467.79557@12-248-41-177.client.attbi.com>

    Jo> I'm about ready to try Alex's stripmime.pl, because I've tried every
    Jo> imaginable configuration and can't seem to get the patch from
    Jo> sourceforge to work at all...and no one here has fessed up yet that
    Jo> they've got it working on their install.

    ...

    Jo> (using FreeBSD 4.4, sendmail 8.11.6, Python 2.1.1, Mailman 2.0.8)

I had a little difficulty getting StripMime to work with setndmail.  It
turns out that aliases like

    foo:  "| prog1 | prog2 | ... | progN"

don't work because sendmail (or smrsh) strips everything through the last
pipe character.  You need to write a little shell script that does the above
piping and make it the target of the alias.

That said, I have no idea if this is the cause of your problems, but it
might be worth one last try before throwing in the towel on the sf patch.

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/)



From Valter at SitiDinamici.com  Tue Apr  2 19:13:11 2002
From: Valter at SitiDinamici.com (Valter Mazzola - SitiDinamici.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 19:13:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
In-Reply-To: <20020402153327.0417620F60@sitidinamici.homeftp.org>
References: <20020402153327.0417620F60@sitidinamici.homeftp.org>
Message-ID: <20020402171311.BB8127B701@sitidinamici.homeftp.org>

i've discovered that qmail-to-mailman.py is no longer good wih 
mailman 2.1b1

use instead:

#!/bin/sh
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
    i=$1
    echo Making links to $i...
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-admin
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailowner $i" > .qmail-owner-$i
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/mailman mailcmd $i" > .qmail-$i-request
fi

as you can find at the end of README.QMAIL.

Valter Mazzola -  Software/Databases for Enterprise Web Internet Sites
http://SitiDinamici.com/?mm

----------------------------

On Tuesday 02 April 2002 05:33 pm, Valter Mazzola - SitiDinamici.com wrote:
> i'm using mailman 2.1b1, python 2.2. qmail-to-mailman.py
>
> In qmail's current log file i can find:
>
> @400000003caa2c9b1d4d0f7c delivery 67: deferral:
> exceptions.OSError_[Errno_2]_No_such_file_or_directory/Line_103/
>
> # cat /home/mailman/.qmail-default
>
> |preline /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
>




From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx  Tue Apr  2 19:45:41 2002
From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:45:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Latest version...
Message-ID: <20020402174541.18690.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!!!!

   what is the latest stable version of mailman????


Thanks!!!!

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
La emoci?n e intensidad del deporte en Yahoo! Deportes. http://deportes.yahoo.com.mx



From jpbuse at lambesis.com  Tue Apr  2 19:46:35 2002
From: jpbuse at lambesis.com (Jason Buscema)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:46:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing feedback message
Message-ID: <B8CF2E7B.CDFA%jpbuse@lambesis.com>

I need to edit the email that Mailman sends back to a user that has
unsuccessfully subscribed to a list. I looked in the $MAILMAN/templates/
directory and was unable to locate the file. The email response I am talking
about is the following:

This is an automated response.

There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
the administrative address <mylist at mydomain.com>.

To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<mylist at mydomain.com> with the word "help" in the subject
line or in the body of the message.

If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
please send your message to <mylist-admin at mydomain.com>.

The following is a detailed description of the problems.


***** subscribe 12345 nodigest
>>>>> You are already subscribed!




From jonas at freesources.org  Tue Apr  2 20:38:39 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:38:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Latest version...
In-Reply-To: <20020402174541.18690.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020402174541.18690.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020402183839.GA9241@jonas.server0.de>

On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 11:45:41AM -0600, Alex Sammons wrote:
> Hi there!!!!
> 
>    what is the latest stable version of mailman????

The latest stable is 2.0.8, but I hope that 2.1 is comming soon.

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Definition of Atheism: a non-prophet organization.



From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Tue Apr  2 20:40:35 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:40:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman HTML filter ?
In-Reply-To: <20020402132620.GA15197@deepthought.student.utwente.nl>
References: <20020402132620.GA15197@deepthought.student.utwente.nl>
Message-ID: <20020402184035.GB16592@hq.newdream.net>

Tom van Wietmarschen wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to filter HTML mail sent to a Mailman mailing list ?
> (the HTML has to be converted to plain text). 
> Some users on the mailing list keep sending HTML mail (hotmail...) which 
> is kinda annoying.

read the faq...
and / or do a google search for 'demime'.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From pawal at blipp.com  Tue Apr  2 21:33:32 2002
From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:33:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list stopped archiving
Message-ID: <20020402193332.GR13823@vic20.blipp.com>

A list on a server that I maintain suddenly stopped updating the
pipermail archives a couple of months ago. The mbox file however,
contains all messages posted to the list. I don't really know where to
begin to look for the potential problem, and the other archives works
well. Any suggestions?

-- 
patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal at blipp.com->+46-709580442



From cspencer at cait.org  Tue Apr  2 23:02:18 2002
From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:02:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML archives
Message-ID: <EAAC16F6-467C-11D6-922C-000502594F5E@cait.org>

> Chris Spencer wrote:
>
> I have installed and configured mailman on Debian using apache for the
> web server.
>
> I am able to send mail to the list and perform all list management, etc
> successfully.
>
> However, the archives are not being generated at all, though the full
> body of the messages is available.
>
> Any ideas where I should start?
> ---
> do you have the alias for /pipermail in your apache config?
>
Yes, I have the alias.  It's not an apache specific problem.

> have you looked in /var/lib/mailman/archives/{public|private} to see if
> the html archives are actually being generated?

Yes, the archives are being generated but are empty.

The generated page says:

You can get more information about this list or you can download the 
full raw archive ( 13 KB ).

Currently, there are no archives.

> are there any errors in the mailman logs?

None.

> --
> Will Yardley
> input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >


Any other ideas?

I appreciate the assistance.
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System and Network Administrator
Center for the Application of Information Technologies
www.cait.org     (309) 298-1804     cspencer at cait.org
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From chk at pobox.com  Tue Apr  2 23:16:54 2002
From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: list stopped archiving
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:33:32 +0200".
	 <20020402193332.GR13823@vic20.blipp.com> 
References: <20020402193332.GR13823@vic20.blipp.com>
Message-ID: <9662.1017782214@elisabeth.cfrq.net>

Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Patrik Wallstrom
had to walk into mine and say:
> A list on a server that I maintain suddenly stopped updating the
> pipermail archives a couple of months ago. The mbox file however,
> contains all messages posted to the list. I don't really know where to
> begin to look for the potential problem, and the other archives works
> well. Any suggestions?

The only problem I've ever had with the mailman archiver is with "From "
at the beginning of a line in the middle of a message; that confuses the
mailbox parser. I would edit the .mbox file and then run
${prefix}/bin/arch to rebuild the archives.

(IMHO, it's a bug that mailman wasn't escaping the From when adding the
message to the .mbox file :-)

-- 
Harald Koch     <chk at pobox.com>



From pawal at blipp.com  Tue Apr  2 23:24:42 2002
From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:24:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: list stopped archiving
In-Reply-To: <9662.1017782214@elisabeth.cfrq.net>
References: <20020402193332.GR13823@vic20.blipp.com> <9662.1017782214@elisabeth.cfrq.net>
Message-ID: <20020402212442.GH13823@vic20.blipp.com>

On Tue, 02 Apr 2002, Harald Koch wrote:

> > A list on a server that I maintain suddenly stopped updating the
> > pipermail archives a couple of months ago. The mbox file however,
> > contains all messages posted to the list. I don't really know where to
> > begin to look for the potential problem, and the other archives works
> > well. Any suggestions?
> 
> The only problem I've ever had with the mailman archiver is with "From "
> at the beginning of a line in the middle of a message; that confuses the
> mailbox parser. I would edit the .mbox file and then run
> ${prefix}/bin/arch to rebuild the archives.
> 
> (IMHO, it's a bug that mailman wasn't escaping the From when adding the
> message to the .mbox file :-)

Thanks, I'm running the bin/arch stuff now, takes forever on that huge
archive. Meanwhile, what would the correct escaping on the From test
be in the body?

-- 
patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal at blipp.com->+46-709580442



From tom.b at audiohost.com  Wed Apr  3 00:24:09 2002
From: tom.b at audiohost.com (Thomas Bartke)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:24:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -request address behaviour
Message-ID: <005901c1da95$1c8bf0c0$fdb5a8c0@pacbell.net>

Hi:

mailman is pre-installed on the dedicated server that we are using.

I have a problem getting the -request address of a new list to work. By
default, any mail that I send to the -request address ends up in the default
mailbox of the domain, and there is no reaction whatsoever from the mailing
list.

I noticed that when I add a mailing list, the program automatically creates
mail-forwarders as
mylist-owner at mydomain.com  forward to: mylist-admin at mydomain.com

So, I manually added a forwarder as
mylist-request at mydomain.com  forward to: mylist-admin at mydomain.com

and that actually gets some reaction from the mailing list. Except some
commands - like help - result in an error message that is displayed before
the help page in the return e-mail.


Thomas Bartke
ThB.Music Services, Inc.
http://audiohost.com
tom.b at audiohost.com

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From tom.b at audiohost.com  Wed Apr  3 00:26:01 2002
From: tom.b at audiohost.com (Thomas Bartke)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:26:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing welcome-e-mails
Message-ID: <005f01c1da95$5f5e91a0$fdb5a8c0@pacbell.net>

Hi:

is it at all possible to customize the welcome- and confirmation-messages
that are sent to new subscribers on a per-list basis (other than editing the
templates for the server globally)?
Thomas Bartke
ThB.Music Services, Inc.
http://audiohost.com
tom.b at audiohost.com

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From tneff at bigfoot.com  Wed Apr  3 01:08:38 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:08:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: use of MIME stripping plugins
In-Reply-To: <E16sWiE-00023s-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16sWiE-00023s-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <693509468.1017770918@t283742ghzz>

I tried and shelved stripmime.pl.  Demime kicks its butt & gives much more 
comprehensive service.  My advice is to install and use it instead.



From alex at phred.org  Wed Apr  3 01:29:34 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:29:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: use of MIME stripping plugins
In-Reply-To: <693509468.1017770918@t283742ghzz>
Message-ID: <20020402152526.X23779-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 tneff at bigfoot.com wrote:
> I tried and shelved stripmime.pl.  Demime kicks its butt & gives much more
> comprehensive service.  My advice is to install and use it instead.

They are very different programs with similar end goals.  Demime
has a larger feature set, but requires a more complex install
because it uses a lot of Perl packages.  Some of those packages
have additional resource requirements too (such as creating
temp files during parsing).

Stripmime is package free and simple.  It removes MIME, nothing
less, nothing more.  I'm not sure what features you are putting
under "much more comprehensive service".

Luckily you have two options to pick from.  When I first write
stripmime there weren't any.

alex




From cassagne at club-internet.fr  Wed Apr  3 01:40:40 2002
From: cassagne at club-internet.fr (Herve Cassagne)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:40:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribing safely
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020403013628.00d394a0@mail.club-internet.fr>

Hi,


It is possible to "Mass Subscribe Members" from
the Membership Management page.

How many at a time should I add ? My list is
not very long: only 400 members.

4 times 100, or less, or more ? What is your advice,
  - and why  this ? Safety is my priority of course.

Best,
Herve'


===
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Responsable-mod?rateur du forum JLISTE
(presse et info en ligne) <http://www.jliste.net/jliste.html>
Besoin d'aide? <JLISTE-admin at jliste.net>
===



From jebva at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  3 01:53:15 2002
From: jebva at yahoo.com (David)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:53:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest
Message-ID: <20020402235315.6152.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com>

is there a mail subscribe command that will sub a user to the digest
version of a list rather than the full list?  If for example I have a
list named FOO at BAR.COM I know I can email FOO-request at BAR.COM and
subscribe.  I want users to be able to do the same to sub to the digest
w/o having to go to a web page.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
http://taxes.yahoo.com/



From tom.b at audiohost.com  Wed Apr  3 02:36:14 2002
From: tom.b at audiohost.com (Thomas Bartke)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:36:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] expanded names in template files
Message-ID: <007901c1daa7$90232320$fdb5a8c0@pacbell.net>

Hi:

I would like to use the following python strings in verify.txt:

%(info)s
%(real_name)s
%(description)s

but they don't get expanded.

I spent hours searching the documentation - to no avail...

Does anyone know (or is there any documentation on) how to use variable
names and commands for expansion in the template files?


Thanks,

Thomas Bartke
ThB.Music Services, Inc.
http://audiohost.com
tom.b at audiohost.com

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From listmom at travellercentral.com  Wed Apr  3 02:51:59 2002
From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:51:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Arch doesn't preserve from or subject
Message-ID: <B8CF922F.34372%listmom@travellercentral.com>

Greetings all.  I am in the process of converting all my mail lists from
majordomo to mailman.

I originally archived all my majordomo messages using Mhonarc, and now I'd
like to move them over to mailman (pipermail) archives.  I noticed that when
I run arch against old mailboxes, I have no problem converting them to the
new archives, however, I don't have all the original mail boxes for the
Mhonarc archives so I used mhn2mbox to create mboxes from the web archive.
The mbox recovers fine, but when I run arch against the recovered mbox, It
doesn't pick up the sender or subject.

Below is a comparison of two headers:

Original mbox header:
################################################################
>From owner-pbem2 at travellercentral.com Fri Feb  8 15:48:54 2002
Received: (from majordom at localhost)
    by rhylanor.cordite.com (8.11.4/8.11.0) id g18Nmnl29037
    for pbem2-list; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:48:49 -0800 (PST)
X-Authentication-Warning: rhylanor.cordite.com: majordom set sender to
owner-pbem2 at travellercentral.com using -f
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:48:45 -0800
Subject: [DE PBEM] Background - General Cohen
From: GM <gm at travellercentral.com>
To: Dark Encounters <pbem2 at travellercentral.com>
Message-ID: <B889A3DD.240DD%gm at travellercentral.com>
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Sender: owner-pbem2 at travellercentral.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: pbem2 at travellercentral.com
Content-Length: 8047
Status: RO
X-Status: 
X-Keywords:        
X-UID: 1
################################################################

Here is a header from a mailbox recovered with mhn2mbox:
################################################################
>From webmaster at travellercentral.com Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:22:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Tod Glenn <webmaster at travellercentral.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:22:58 -0800 (PST)
To: <pbem at travellercentral.com>
Subject: [Trav PBEM] Welcome
Message-ID: <B824285E.196AC%webmaster at travellercentral.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
################################################################

Any thought on why arch isn't picking up subject and sender?

--
When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend.
-- 
Tod L Glenn
webmaster at travellercentral.com
http://www.travellercentral.com
http://www.spinwardmarches.com
http://www.solsec.org







From tom.b at audiohost.com  Wed Apr  3 03:37:44 2002
From: tom.b at audiohost.com (Thomas Bartke)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:37:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Envelope-to:"-header
Message-ID: <007e01c1dab0$27634140$fdb5a8c0@pacbell.net>

Hi:

why is it that the "Envelope-to:"-header in posts from my mailing list lists
all recipients? I noticed that he mails from this list (Mailman-Users) only
puts a single e-mail address in the "Envelope-to:"-header. Can we do that,
too?

Thanks,

Thomas Bartke
ThB.Music Services, Inc.
http://audiohost.com
tom.b at audiohost.com

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From brooksj at wildhorse.com  Wed Apr  3 04:31:13 2002
From: brooksj at wildhorse.com (Desert Hawk)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:31:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: use of MIME stripping plugins
Message-ID: <200204030232.g332VDG20321@ns1.wildhorse.com>

the saga continues...don't worry, it has a happy ending   :)

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> 
>     Jo> I'm about ready to try Alex's stripmime.pl, because I've tried every
>     Jo> imaginable configuration and can't seem to get the patch from
>     Jo> sourceforge to work at all...and no one here has fessed up yet that
>     Jo> they've got it working on their install.
> 
>     ...
> 
>     Jo> (using FreeBSD 4.4, sendmail 8.11.6, Python 2.1.1, Mailman 2.0.8)
> 
> I had a little difficulty getting StripMime to work with setndmail.  It
> turns out that aliases like
> 
>     foo:  "| prog1 | prog2 | ... | progN"
> 
> don't work because sendmail (or smrsh) strips everything through the last
> pipe character.  You need to write a little shell script that does the above
> piping and make it the target of the alias.
> 
> That said, I have no idea if this is the cause of your problems, but it
> might be worth one last try before throwing in the towel on the sf patch.

My whole reason for trying the patch first was because it kept the
whole thing Python.  I love Perl to death, and I love Mailman to death, 
and mixing the two just felt like cheating  ;)

So, I started all over with the sourceforge patch, and I got things
working mostly as expected with the help of this archived post:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mailman-users&m=101330900632651&w=2

There were five modules that the patch created, FilteringMimeWriter.py,
PlainText.py, PlaintextMimeWriter.py, multifile.py and richtext.py.  But
they were created outside of the Mailman directory in my source tree, 
so I took a wild guess and put all five in ~mailman/Mailman.

So now, the option to force all posts to plain text shows up in the
General configs page, but now when my guinea pigs try to post, this
error shows up:

File "/home03/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 79, in do_pipeline
	mod = __import__('Mailman.Handlers.' + modname)
ImportError :  No module named PlainText 

now, I'm not all that familiar with Python, so I took another wild 
guess that this error meant that I should have put that code in 
Mailman/Handlers instead, right?

"Let's Play..."

so, I moved PlainText into Handlers, and ran ~/bin/update and waited
for the next qrunner to spawn, which gave me this new error instead:

File "/home03/mailman/Mailman/FilteringMimeWriter.py", line 27, in ?
    from Mailman.pythonlib import multifile
ImportError :  cannot import name multifile

so, figuring that something else was funky, I read the entire patch
itself.  for some reason, the patch created the new files, but didn't 
put them in the all right directories (anyone know why?)  

Once i moved multifile.py into the pythonlib directory, poof, the test 
messages started flowing.

So i've got the sourceforge patch installed, and it appears to be
working.  Talk about your unexpected adventures.... 

Thanks for the input, Alex, Skip.


jo




From embrey at hood.edu  Wed Apr  3 05:59:25 2002
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:59:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pre instaled at host (WAS:Traffic with a
  large list)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402100940.0292c3c0@localhost>
References: <E16sPRA-0003od-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402225722.00b16678@hermes.hood.edu>

My web hosting provider (hostway.com) includes mailman with my we hosting 
package.

Bruce Embrey


At 10:12 AM 4/2/2002 -0600, Paul H Byerly wrote:
>Olwen Williams wrote:
>>Mailman is pre-installed with web-hosting I have.
>
>      Do tell, what host is that?
>
>
>Reality: a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there!
><>< Paul
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Apr  3 06:42:17 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:42:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Envelope-to:"-header
In-Reply-To: <007e01c1dab0$27634140$fdb5a8c0@pacbell.net>
References: <007e01c1dab0$27634140$fdb5a8c0@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <20020403044213.GG29934@merlins.org>

On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:37:44PM -0800, Thomas Bartke wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> why is it that the "Envelope-to:"-header in posts from my mailing list lists
> all recipients? I noticed that he mails from this list (Mailman-Users) only
> puts a single e-mail address in the "Envelope-to:"-header. Can we do that,
> too?

Would you care to tell us what MTA you are using and maybe showing us the
headers of an example message?

My  first guess  is that  your  mailing lists  are  local and  that all  the
receipients are in the same domain, so they all show up in the same RCPT TO,
whereas  when  you get  a  message  from  mailman-users,  you are  the  only
subscribe from your domain, hence the only one in that header.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From chk at pobox.com  Wed Apr  3 07:17:26 2002
From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:17:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Arch doesn't preserve from or subject
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:51:59 -0800".
	 <B8CF922F.34372%listmom@travellercentral.com> 
References: <B8CF922F.34372%listmom@travellercentral.com>
Message-ID: <13638.1017811046@elisabeth.cfrq.net>

> Below is a comparison of two headers:

My first guess would be that the date on the "From " line is formatted
incorrectly by mhn2mbox...

-- 
Harald Koch     <chk at pobox.com>



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Apr  3 08:25:19 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:25:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribing safely
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020403013628.00d394a0@mail.club-internet.fr>
References: <4.2.0.58.20020403013628.00d394a0@mail.club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <20020403062518.GK29934@merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:40:40AM +0200, Herve Cassagne wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> It is possible to "Mass Subscribe Members" from
> the Membership Management page.
> 
> How many at a time should I add ? My list is
> not very long: only 400 members.
> 
> 4 times 100, or less, or more ? What is your advice,
>  - and why  this ? Safety is my priority of course.

IF you have access to the server ~mailman/bin/add_members is a better bet,
but adding 400 addresses through the web should work ok.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From servin at gsd.harvard.edu  Wed Apr  3 18:19:19 2002
From: servin at gsd.harvard.edu (Stephen Ervin)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Taboo-content' filters in Mailman?
Message-ID: <3CAB2B84.EA4AF1AC@gsd.harvard.edu>

Hi;
We are contemplating switching about a dozen school list from majordomo
to mailman.
A feature we find very useful in our chaotic environment is 'Taboo-content'
filters, so for example we can prevent .VBS attachments from
proliferating 
through the lists (or attachments in general, for efficiency sake)

I can't see any mention of such capability in mailman documentation...
Have I missed somthing?
Is there? How do others manage this?

Any tips much appreciated!
TIA

Stephen M Ervin

Director of Computer Resources
Assistant Dean for Information Technology
Harvard Design School

servin at gsd.harvard.edu




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  3 20:46:21 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:46:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ron & Karen Colson" <kayron@olpbc.com> 
   of "Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:08:16 EST." <MDEJJLLPJJANJLHNABEIOEAMCCAA.kayron@olpbc.com> 
References: <MDEJJLLPJJANJLHNABEIOEAMCCAA.kayron@olpbc.com> 
Message-ID: <4807.1017859581@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 07:08:16 -0500 
Ron Kayron Karen Colson <Ron> wrote:

> I would like to add to the wish list the ability to set (or designate)
> some subscribers for receiving only, withholding from them the ability
> to post to the list.  

This is a current feature of 2.1.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  3 20:53:11 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:53:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traffic with a large list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Olwen Williams <olwen@ossg.info> 
   of "Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:40:30 +1200." <3CA9444E.10405@ossg.info> 
References: <3CA9444E.10405@ossg.info> 
Message-ID: <4957.1017859991@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:40:30 +1200 
Olwen Williams <olwen at ossg.info> wrote:

> Mailman is pre-installed with web-hosting I have.  I'm considering
> moving a large active list to it.  There are currently over 5000
> members on the Yahoogroups list, with 50-100 messages a day,
> fully-moderated by a panel of moderators.  I feel sure mailman could
> cope with the volumes, but can anyone give me a feel for the bandwidth
> involved with a list of this size?

Loosely:

  <NumberOfMessages>*(<SizeOfMessage> + 350 bytes)  # slop is for protocol

However that assumes individual delivery of every message (which has its
advantages for things like VERP etc).  If you do RCPT TO bundling you
can reduce this count, but the percentage benefit will depend on the
distribution of your membership addresses over domains and how much they
cluster (eg what percentage is AOL, MSN, Hotmail, etc).

ObQualifier: Odds are strong that mail traffic will not be billed
separately by your ISP and is not counted in bandwidth billing
calculations.  Most/many don't.  Check.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  3 21:33:20 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:33:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman HTML filter ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tom van Wietmarschen <aaargh@cal052303.student.utwente.nl> 
   of "Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:26:20 +0200." <20020402132620.GA15197@deepthought.student.utwente.nl> 
References: <20020402132620.GA15197@deepthought.student.utwente.nl> 
Message-ID: <5809.1017862400@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:26:20 +0200 
Tom van Wietmarschen <aaargh at cal052303.student.utwente.nl> wrote:

> Is there a way to filter HTML mail sent to a Mailman mailing list?

Pease see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  3 21:37:30 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:37:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using another smtp with mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Felipe Scuciatto dos Santos <felipe@dorothea.com.br> 
   of "Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:03:58 -0300." <3CA9BA4E.D7BB3B41@dorothea.com.br> 
References: <3CA9BA4E.D7BB3B41@dorothea.com.br> 
Message-ID: <5912.1017862650@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:03:58 -0300 
Felipe Scuciatto dos Santos <felipe at dorothea.com.br> wrote:

> I work at a High School .. I?m from Brazil, and I want to use mailman
> but I want it to send the mails using another smtp server, I don?t
> want the localhost ...

> How can I set the IP of my smtp server using the mailman ?????

This is a setting in mm_cfg.py.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr  3 21:38:53 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:38:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML email and archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Danny Terweij" <danny@terweij.nl> 
   of "Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:23:20 +0200." <003a01c1da62$b3fae8e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
References: <003a01c1da62$b3fae8e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
Message-ID: <5951.1017862733@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:23:20 +0200 
Danny Terweij <danny at terweij.nl> wrote:

> Currently, mailman is showing the archived mail in plaint text. Can it
> be fully html? (and how?)

Please see the FAQ: 

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From dowdy at cs.colorado.edu  Wed Apr  3 22:54:32 2002
From: dowdy at cs.colorado.edu (Stephen Dowdy)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:54:32 -0700 (mst)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regex for allowed posters?
Message-ID: <200204032054.g33KsWS19531@spudnut.cs.colorado.edu>

I have some lists for a user where the following conditions are required:

	- There's an administrator who doesn't want to moderate
    - posting is restricted to list members
	- Additionally anyone in .*@cs.colorado.edu should be allowed to post

(The intent of this configuration is to have students on a list where any
faculty can send them e-mail w/o intervention, with the hope that this
would reduce the spam volume for the list)

I've seen mention in the archives of using something like:

    posters = ['.*@cs\.colorado\.edu']

however, it never matches anyone, and the admin has to approve the
postings. from glancing at the python code, it looks like 'posters'
checking does only "smart" checking, but no regex.

Is there a way to do what i want, and if not, is there any intention of
making 'posters' support regex?  (and if 'mailman' isn't appropriate for
handling this type of list, can anyone recommend another list manager
(with a web ui) to do this?)

thanks,
--stephen
--
Stephen Dowdy - Systems Administrator - CS Dept - Univ of Colorado at Boulder
dowdy at cs.colorado.edu  --  http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~dowdy/signature.html




From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Wed Apr  3 23:17:54 2002
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:17:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b1 error?
Message-ID: <3CAB7183.BBFFCB3E@musikelit.nu>

When trying to upgrade to 2.1b1 on Linux 7.1, the following appears when
trying to go beyond any administration logon screen:

> Bug in Mailman version 2.1b1
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
> happened. Thanks! 
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 194, in main
>     print doc.Format()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py", line 314, in Format
>     output.append('' %
> TypeError: unsupported operand types for +: 'int' and 'str'

Everything else works - the lists distribute messages as they should,
the configuration args are correct, etc. They only thing that seems not
to work is logging on. 

Another install on MacOS X works perfectly.

	/ Peter Bengtson




From nholtz at docuweb.ca  Wed Apr  3 23:47:59 2002
From: nholtz at docuweb.ca (Neal M. Holtz)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:47:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin passwords made invalid by upgrade to Python 2.2
Message-ID: <20020403214759.GA5975@docuweb.ca>

I'm using mailman 2.0.6 and was using Python 1.5.2

Last week I upgraded to Python 2.2.1c2.  A few days later, it was
noticed that none of the list administrators passwords would work any
more.  I suspect this was related to the Python upgrade (its hard to
tell for sure, but at least one other person has noticed - Jeff
Klassen in
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-March/018342.html
).  There was no reply to that message.  

When I looked at the encrypted password in the list config.db 
I noticed that there were characters in there that were NOT
put there by crypt() (and so the file contained an invalid encryption):

# ./dumpdb ../lists/foro/config.db.last | fgrep password
    'password': 'ix\xeb\xeaA\x9b\xd6\x01\xb3\xd8j\x9dtN\x80\xb8',

A bit strange. Was wondering if anyone knew about this or why it
happened?

Its not a big deal for me, as I was able to change all the passwords
to be workable.

-- 
Neal Holtz                             http://www.docuweb.ca/~nholtz
Dept. of Civil and Environmental Engineering,   Carleton University,   
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 5B6.                   nholtz at docuweb.ca





From Valter at SitiDinamici.com  Thu Apr  4 00:19:18 2002
From: Valter at SitiDinamici.com (Valter Mazzola - SitiDinamici.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:19:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman with mod_python?
Message-ID: <20020403221918.F0E5E65661@sitidinamici.homeftp.org>

it's possible to use mod_python with mailmal to speedup python cgi?

thanks,
valter




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Apr  4 00:40:34 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:40:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1b1 error?
In-Reply-To: <3CAB7183.BBFFCB3E@musikelit.nu>
References: <3CAB7183.BBFFCB3E@musikelit.nu>
Message-ID: <20020403224034.GJ5246@hq.newdream.net>

Peter Bengtson wrote:

> When trying to upgrade to 2.1b1 on Linux 7.1, the following appears
> when trying to go beyond any administration logon screen:

wow - i thought the linux kernel was only up to 2.5.7... where'd you get
this "linux" 7.1 from?

perhaps you're referring to red hat linux v7.1?

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From bwagner at potpie.org  Thu Apr  4 04:30:56 2002
From: bwagner at potpie.org (Bill Wagner)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:30:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b1 make install error
Message-ID: localhost.localdomain

Hi there,

I've got a Mandrake 8.0 box on which I'm trying to install mailman 2.1b1.
I've tried a variety of different options with ./configure, but I simply
get pastthis error I get when doing a 'make install':
...
compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 44, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths
make: *** [update] Error 1

I don't get this error when installing 2.0.8, so I was wondering if anyone on
the list might be able to point me in the right direction.

Thanks!

Bill
-- 
Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest, ugliest,
smelliest ape of them all!

                -- Homer Simpson
                   Lisa's Substitute







From pawal at blipp.com  Thu Apr  4 12:38:06 2002
From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:38:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more on the stop of list archiving
Message-ID: <20020404103806.GV13823@vic20.blipp.com>

I mailed yesterday on the problems I have with the list archiver
stopped working for a list. It seems that the reason for it to fail
suddenly is because of a missing leading header in the .mbox archive.
In the middle of the archive, all mail headers are starting with
Return-path: instead of the leading "From sender at example.com date..."
stuff.

Is there any way to fix this, and what may cause this problem?

-- 
patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal at blipp.com->+46-709580442




From jonas at freesources.org  Thu Apr  4 13:15:17 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:15:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b1 make install error
Message-ID: <20020404111517.GB736@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 06:30:56PM -0800, Bill Wagner wrote:
> I've tried a variety of different options with ./configure, but I simply
> get pastthis error I get when doing a 'make install':
> ...
> compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/update", line 44, in ?
>     import paths
> ImportError: No module named paths
> make: *** [update] Error 1

Yes, I had the same problem. It's because of python. You need version 2.2 and
python2.2-dev (for debian) too. I don't know how the package is called for
mandrake. Search the db for python and dev.

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Linux is user-friendly.  But it is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly.




From jonas at freesources.org  Thu Apr  4 14:52:45 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:52:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up lists without user-passwords
Message-ID: <20020404125245.GA21099@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

I know that this was discussed in the past, but I didn't find anything in my
archiv ;(

How can I turn off user-passwords? I read in the FAQ, that it will be feature
in the future. But the link says nothing. I'm running 2.0.8, and there is no
feature for turning off passwords.
Is it possible otherway?

Bye
 Jonas
 
-- 
The difference between theory and practice, is that in theory, there is no 
difference between theory and practice.




From bwagner at potpie.org  Thu Apr  4 16:41:04 2002
From: bwagner at potpie.org (Bill Wagner)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 06:41:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b1 make install error
In-Reply-To: <20020404111517.GB736@jonas.server0.de>
References: <20020404111517.GB736@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: localhost.localdomain

Jonas Meurer said:
> Yes, I had the same problem. It's because of python. You need version
> 2.2 and python2.2-dev (for debian) too. I don't know how the package is
> called for mandrake. Search the db for python and dev.

Hi Jonas,

Yep, you're right -- I installed the python-2.2 dev package and boom, it's
allgood.  Thanks so much.

Cheers,

Bill
-- 
Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest, ugliest,
smelliest ape of them all!

                -- Homer Simpson
                   Lisa's Substitute







From jhc at unt.edu.ar  Thu Apr  4 16:56:04 2002
From: jhc at unt.edu.ar (Julio Calvo)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:56:04 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Consulta
References: <20020404111517.GB736@jonas.server0.de> localhost.localdomain
Message-ID: <05a701c1dbe8$d7ddaf90$1100010a@unt.edu.ar>

Please can anyone tell me how to change the password of the administrator of
one list ??

Not mmsitepass.

Thanks

Julio





From tmiller at nethawk.com  Thu Apr  4 17:44:42 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 10:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HT:Dig + v2.1
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020404104005.00a85230@mail.nethawk.com>

Will HT:Dig work with v2.1 and the existing patches released for v2.06?  

We are wanting to use HT:Dig with v2.0.8 but I'm not interested in spending a bunch of time getting it to work and then find that we will have problems updating to 2.1 or will have to go through the whole process again.

Tim





From bwagner at potpie.org  Thu Apr  4 18:07:16 2002
From: bwagner at potpie.org (Bill Wagner)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:07:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTA_ALIASES_STYLE in 2.1?
Message-ID: localhost.localdomain

Thanks to Jonas's help on the install problem, I've moved along and created
 the first list.  However, the aliases it says to create are for the
sendmail-esque  /etc/aliases.

In the 2.0.x releases, there was an option you could put in your
Mailman/mm_cfg.py called MTA_ALIASES_STYLE, which, when set to
'qmail',  it would tell you what put in ~aliases/.qmail-*; but that
doesn't seemto exist in  2.1b1.  Has this been changed to something else or has it been
dropped for some reason?

This was in the 2.0.x version of bin/newlist, starting on line 72:

---
QMAIL_ALIAS_TEMPLATE = """
   echo '|preline %(wrapper)s post %(listname)s' >~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s
   echo '|preline %(wrapper)s mailowner %(listname)s'
>~alias/.qmail-%(listname)
s-admin
   echo '|preline %(wrapper)s mailcmd %(listname)s'
>~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-
request
   echo '&%(listname)s-admin' >~alias/.qmail-owner-%(listname)s
   echo '&%(listname)s-admin' >~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-owner
   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s ~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-admin
   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-request~
alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-owner
   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-owner-%(listname)s
"""
---

When I go back , create those files by hand, and go about trying to confirm
a subscription request, I get the following error in my mail log:

Apr  4 07:41:32 oscar qmail: 1017934892.044326 delivery 1471: deferral:
exceptions.OSError_[Errno_2]_No_such_file_or_directory/Line_103/

So it's almost there, but is currently in a holding pattern until I can
get pastthis final step.  If anyone can provide any assistance with this problem, I'd
sure appreciate it.

Thanks again,

Bill
-- 
Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest, ugliest,
 smelliest ape of them all!

                -- Homer Simpson
                   Lisa's Substitute






From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Thu Apr  4 18:19:08 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:19:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped delivering mail after a restart
Message-ID: <021b01c1dbf4$787792d0$0200a8c0@BABA>

I restarted my server (shutdown -r now) and Mailman seems to have stopped
delivering mail (i.e. I send e-mail to the list address, but Mailman is not
sending mail out or archiving).

Any ideas on what could be wrong?

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine





From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Thu Apr  4 18:21:42 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:21:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Consulta
References: <20020404111517.GB736@jonas.server0.de> localhost.localdomain <05a701c1dbe8$d7ddaf90$1100010a@unt.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <022301c1dbf4$d04599d0$0200a8c0@BABA>

Use the site password to log into the list and change the password (you don't
need to know the old list password to do this).

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julio Calvo" <jhc at unt.edu.ar>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:56 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Consulta


> Please can anyone tell me how to change the password of the administrator of
> one list ??
>
> Not mmsitepass.
>
> Thanks
>
> Julio
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Thu Apr  4 18:25:04 2002
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:25:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1b1 error?
References: <E16t9w8-0002oq-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3CAC7E5F.D0665991@musikelit.nu>

> Peter Bengtson wrote:
> 
> > When trying to upgrade to 2.1b1 on Linux 7.1, the following appears
> > when trying to go beyond any administration logon screen:
> 
> wow - i thought the linux kernel was only up to 2.5.7... where'd you get
> this "linux" 7.1 from?
> 
> perhaps you're referring to red hat linux v7.1?

Yes, of course. Any ideas?

	/ Peter




From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Thu Apr  4 18:49:44 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:49:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped delivering mail after a restart
References: <021b01c1dbf4$787792d0$0200a8c0@BABA>
Message-ID: <02bf01c1dbf8$c03f49b0$0200a8c0@BABA>

It's okay now - I deleted everything in the ~mailman/locks directory and now
it's working fine.

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Baba" <webmaster at emeraldshirts.com>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:19 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped delivering mail after a restart


> I restarted my server (shutdown -r now) and Mailman seems to have stopped
> delivering mail (i.e. I send e-mail to the list address, but Mailman is not
> sending mail out or archiving).
>
> Any ideas on what could be wrong?
>
> --
> Baba the Cat
> www.catbaba.com
> PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
> "I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
> infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in  Thu Apr  4 19:06:44 2002
From: ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:36:44 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not like QMAIL ??
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204042230580.13298-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>

Hi All,

I am trying to setup mailing lists using Mailman. I use Sun Solaris
2.8 on Sparc. My mail delivery system is QMAIL.

I have defined a mailing list called mtest. However, attempts to
subscribe to the list donot succeed. They just get into the Mailbox
of the user "mailman".

I am sure there are many who have the QMAIL+MAILMAN combination
working. Can anybody please help me set it up correctly ?

Thanks a lot.

--ajit

|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| Ajit K. Jena              Phone : (Office) +91-22-5767751       |
| Computer Centre                            +91-22-5722545 x8750 |
| Indian Institute of Technology    (Home)   +91-22-5722545 x8068 |
|                                   (Mobile) +91-9820-200112      |
| POWAI, Bombay                     Fax   :  +91-22-5723894       |
| PIN 400076, India                 Email :  ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in   |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|








From jpbuse at lambesis.com  Thu Apr  4 19:42:34 2002
From: jpbuse at lambesis.com (Jason Buscema)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:42:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback mesasge
Message-ID: <B8D1D08A.CFFB%jpbuse@lambesis.com>

Let's try this again...

I need to edit the email that Mailman sends back to a user that has
unsuccessfully subscribed to a list. I looked in the $MAILMAN/templates/
directory and was unable to locate the file. The email response I am talking
about is the following:

This is an automated response.

There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
the administrative address <mylist at mydomain.com>.

To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<mylist at mydomain.com> with the word "help" in the subject
line or in the body of the message.

If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
please send your message to <mylist-admin at mydomain.com>.

The following is a detailed description of the problems.


***** subscribe 12345 nodigest
>>>>> You are already subscribed!





From bwagner at potpie.org  Thu Apr  4 19:44:34 2002
From: bwagner at potpie.org (Bill Wagner)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:44:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not like QMAIL ??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204042230580.13298-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204042230580.13298-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>
Message-ID: localhost.localdomain

Hi Ajit,

You might want to review the README.QMAIL document which should provide all
of the information you'll need to get qmail working with mailman (at least
the 2.0.x releases).  You'll want to pay particular attention to the
'--with-mail-gid' configure option.

Hope that helps,

Bill

ajit k jena said:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to setup mailing lists using Mailman. I use Sun Solaris 2.8
> on Sparc. My mail delivery system is QMAIL.
>
> I have defined a mailing list called mtest. However, attempts to
> subscribe to the list donot succeed. They just get into the Mailbox of
> the user "mailman".
>
> I am sure there are many who have the QMAIL+MAILMAN combination
> working. Can anybody please help me set it up correctly ?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> --ajit
>
> |-----------------------------------------------------------------| |
> Ajit K. Jena              Phone : (Office) +91-22-5767751       | |
> Computer Centre                            +91-22-5722545 x8750 | |
> Indian Institute of Technology    (Home)   +91-22-5722545 x8068 | |
>                               (Mobile) +91-9820-200112      | | POWAI,
> Bombay                     Fax   :  +91-22-5723894       | | PIN
> 400076, India                 Email :  ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in   |
> |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py


-- 
Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest, ugliest,
smelliest ape of them all!

                -- Homer Simpson
                   Lisa's Substitute







From sgreverend at attbi.com  Thu Apr  4 20:07:46 2002
From: sgreverend at attbi.com (Sylvie Greverend)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:07:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval mail
Message-ID: <LPBBKAMOJABFNJEJCKHGKEKOCFAA.sgreverend@attbi.com>

Is it possible not to receive this message :
"Your subscription request has been forwarded to the list administrator
at --- for review."
for a subscription via mail (list-request at --- "subscribe address=--")
Thank you
Sylvie Greverend




From manoj at rii.ricoh.com  Thu Apr  4 22:01:06 2002
From: manoj at rii.ricoh.com (manoj)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:01:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help please, user unknown error!
Message-ID: <NGBBKNPCBMJEGAMIPMBDKEBBCNAA.manoj@rii.ricoh.com>

Hi All,

I installed and configured mailman on my Solaris 8 server and it works fine
as far related to web. I can browse this list on the web and so on so forth.

When I subscribe the list I am also receiving a confirmation mail something
like this
HSCompMan -- confirmation of subscription -- request 626173


When I am hitting reply to this mail, I am getting this error:


The original message was received at Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:09:04 -0800 (PST)
from manoj.crc.ricoh.com [192.20.11.142]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<dhscompman-request at rii.ricoh.com>
dhscompman-request at yellow.crc.ricoh.com
    (expanded from: <dhscompman-request at rii.ricoh.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 dhscompman-request at yellow.crc.ricoh.com  ... User unknown
550 <dhscompman-request at rii.ricoh.com>... User unknown


I made alias on my /etc/aliases file like this.

/etc/aliases
dhscompman:                   "|/public/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
dhscompman"
dhscompman-admin:             "|/public/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
dhscompman"
dhscompman-request:           "|/public/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
dhscompman"
dhscompman-owner:             dhscompman-admin


While I installed mailman I created an account called mailman on this server
as well as a group too.


Can some one help me to solve that problem that what I am doing wrong??


Thanks in advance.

Manoj





From barry at zope.com  Thu Apr  4 22:29:44 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:29:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.9
Message-ID: <15532.47032.741659.783660@anthem.wooz.org>

This message is to announce the release of GNU Mailman 2.0.9 which
fixes a race condition that can cause mail to occasionally be lost,
among other useful fixes.  I recommend anybody running any version of
Mailman 2.0.x to upgrade to 2.0.9, the latest stable release.  Details
of what's changed is included below.

Note that this problem does not affect the Mailman 2.1 betas.

As usual, I've made both full source tarballs and patches available.
See

    http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

for links to download all the patches and the source tarball.  If you
decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first:

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=63042

See also:

    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://www.list.org
    http://mailman.sf.net

Cheers,
-Barry

2.0.9 (02-Apr-2002)

    - Closed a race condition which could, under rare circumstances,
      cause the occasional message to get lost.

    - HTML escape message excerpts and headers on the admindb page so
      JavaScript and other evil tags can't mess up the display.

    - Some additional Python 2.2 compatibility fixes.

    - Unlink the footer logos so as not to bug the python.org and
      gnu.org maintainers as much. :(

    - Fix a crash in the DSN bounce detection module, which could
      cause some bounce messages to remain in the queue.

    - Add the RFC-2822 mandated Date: header on internally generated
      outgoing messages.  Not all MTAs add this field if missing
      (read: Qmail).




From Valter at SitiDinamici.com  Tue Apr  2 17:24:43 2002
From: Valter at SitiDinamici.com (Valter Mazzola - SitiDinamici.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:24:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <20020402152443.B03CC210A1@sitidinamici.homeftp.org>

in qmail's current log file

@400000003caa2c9b1d4d0f7c delivery 67: deferral: 
exceptions.OSError_[Errno_2]_No_such_file_or_directory/Line_103/

i'm using 

k62550:/home/mailman# cat .qmail-default
|preline /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py

mailman 2.1b1, python 2.2

thanks,
valter



From webmaster at travellercentral.com  Tue Apr  2 19:36:56 2002
From: webmaster at travellercentral.com (Tod Glenn)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 09:36:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest separator
Message-ID: <B8CF2C38.341AF%webmaster@travellercentral.com>

Is it possible to change the message separartor in the digest to something
other than --__--__?  How?
--
When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend.
-- 
Tod L Glenn
webmaster at travellercentral.com
http://www.travellercentral.com
http://www.spinwardmarches.com
http://www.solsec.org





From forrie at forrie.com  Wed Apr  3 02:05:00 2002
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:05:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File archive with a mailing list
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020402190305.01f8a0d8@192.168.1.1>

I'm trying to solve a problem we have, which requires some pointer to a 
file archive (that must be authenticated to) which accompanies a Mailman list.

What we've been doing is using "strings -a" to get the passwords out of 
config.db, then putting those into an .htpasswd file.  Obviously very hacky.

I wonder if there's a better way to do this, or if someone has a solution 
to a similar issue.

For example, it would be just as well for us that someone authenticates 
with the web archives (this is a private list) and therein a pointer to the 
file archive is available, where the code just uses that same cookie.


Thanks.




From webmaster at travellercentral.com  Wed Apr  3 02:47:38 2002
From: webmaster at travellercentral.com (Tod Glenn)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:47:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Arch doesn't preserve from or subject
Message-ID: <B8CF912A.34325%webmaster@travellercentral.com>

Greetings all.  I am in the process of converting all my mail lists from
majordomo to mailman.

I originally archived all my majordomo messages using Mhonarc, and now I'd
like to move them over to mailman (pipermail) archives.  I noticed that when
I run arch against old mailboxes, I have no problem converting them to the
new archives, however, I don't have all the original mail boxes for the
Mhonarc archives so I used mhn2mbox to create mboxes from the web archive.
The mbox recovers fine, but when I run arch against the recovered mbox, It
doesn't pick up the sender or subject.

Below is a comparison of two headers:

Original mbox header:
################################################################
>From owner-pbem2 at travellercentral.com Fri Feb  8 15:48:54 2002
Received: (from majordom at localhost)
    by rhylanor.cordite.com (8.11.4/8.11.0) id g18Nmnl29037
    for pbem2-list; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:48:49 -0800 (PST)
X-Authentication-Warning: rhylanor.cordite.com: majordom set sender to
owner-pbem2 at travellercentral.com using -f
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:48:45 -0800
Subject: [DE PBEM] Background - General Cohen
From: GM <gm at travellercentral.com>
To: Dark Encounters <pbem2 at travellercentral.com>
Message-ID: <B889A3DD.240DD%gm at travellercentral.com>
Mime-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Sender: owner-pbem2 at travellercentral.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: pbem2 at travellercentral.com
Content-Length: 8047
Status: RO
X-Status: 
X-Keywords:        
X-UID: 1
################################################################

Here is a header from a mailbox recovered with mhn2mbox:
################################################################
>From webmaster at travellercentral.com Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:22:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Tod Glenn <webmaster at travellercentral.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:22:58 -0800 (PST)
To: <pbem at travellercentral.com>
Subject: [Trav PBEM] Welcome
Message-ID: <B824285E.196AC%webmaster at travellercentral.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
################################################################

Any thought on why arch isn't picking up subject and sender?

--
When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend.
-- 
Tod L Glenn
webmaster at travellercentral.com
http://www.travellercentral.com
http://www.spinwardmarches.com
http://www.solsec.org





From dbroome at finearts.uvic.ca  Thu Apr  4 00:15:32 2002
From: dbroome at finearts.uvic.ca (David Broome)
Date: Wed,  3 Apr 2002 14:15:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman to a new server.
Message-ID: <1017872132.3cab7f04c8324@imp3.finearts.uvic.ca>

Hello,

I was hoping for a FAQ but...

If I am building a new server with the same directory structure as the current 
one what is necessary to copy between the boxen to move all the lists.

Of course the MTA and Apache config elements for mailman will need to be copied 
as well.

Dave,
--
David Broome   Programmer-Analyst.FineArts.UVic.CA  /BSc /CNA /MCP
250.721-6307   dbroome at finearts.uvic.ca                FIA 221




From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Thu Apr  4 12:57:22 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:57:22 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error message
Message-ID: <02040421000117.31369@www>

I have just reveived this error message and cannot make heads or tails of it.

Can anyone tell me what is wrong

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable

Thank you

Greg




From ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in  Thu Apr  4 14:09:08 2002
From: ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:39:08 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not like QMAIL ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204041723490.12444-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>

Hi,

I am trying to setup mailing lists using Mailman. I use Sun Solaris
2.8 on Sparc. My mail delivery system is QMAIL.

I have defined a mailing list called mtest. However, attempts to
subscribe to the list donot succeed. They just get into the Mailbox
of the user "mailman".

I am sure there are many who have the QMAIL+MAILMAN combination
working. Can anybody please help me set it up correctly ?

Thanks a lot.

--ajit

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From chris at longship.org  Thu Apr  4 16:47:44 2002
From: chris at longship.org (Chris Searle)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:47:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail suddenly stopped getting sent out ??
Message-ID: <xmwpu1fsepb.fsf@feynman.osl.manamind.com>

Hi,

OK. sendmail 8.11.6 on RedHat 7.0

Mailman - first 2.0.6 and now 2.0.9

Mailman configured with mail group as mail-gid and apache as cgi-gid.

5 mailing lists - all going fine. Suddenly, mail doesn't get sent
out. No error in the error log. Lots of happy success messages in the
post log. Lots of files in the qfiles directory. Mail just sits there.

If I copy the qrunner line out of mailman users crontab and run it on
the command line

    /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

then all the mail goes out no question.

Disk space is OK.

I have no idea why this suddenly started - and I've upgraded from
2.0.6 to 2.0.9 and its not solved the problem.

I have no real idea how to track the problem down - anyone here can
help?

Thanks

-- 
Chris Searle




From jaredmc at u.washington.edu  Thu Apr  4 20:19:47 2002
From: jaredmc at u.washington.edu (Jared McMahon)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:19:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription Confirmation Error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204041012440.2369-100000@red1.cac.washington.edu>

I just upgraded to 2.1b1 and now any attempt to confirm subscriptions via
the confirm email command result in an "Invalid confirmation string"
error. My pending life is at the default 3 days and the confirmation
attempts happen within hours. The confirm strings in the emails match the
strings in the pending data files.

Has anyone else had this problem? I've been wading through those sections
of code but my python eyes aren't 100% yet (too much perl).

BTW, confirmation via the web interface appears to work flawlessly.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Jared McMahon  :  UCS AST Computer Specialist

206-685-4126 ph   University of Washington
206-616-4224 fx   368, 4545 Building
box 354841        Seattle, WA 98195
--------------------------------------------------------------------





From abw at hosting2000.com  Fri Apr  5 01:31:20 2002
From: abw at hosting2000.com (abw)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 15:31:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020404152215.00a9bc60@k2.synapseglobal.com>

I asked this question earlier and didn't quite get a clear response, so I 
will post it again. I apologize if I have missed any other lectures about it.

The system we are using is an Intel based machine with Solaris x86 version 
8, Mailman 2.0.6, and Qmail 1.03, along with all of the current qmail add ons.

I had a user who lost his domain name and had to re-register with the org 
version. He went into the mailman control panel and changed all com 
versions to org. According to him, the mailman list was working the whole 
time before switching the domain name. Now that this has happened, he 
cannot get his confirmation emails when adding someone to his mailing list.

I went ahead and removed his entire mailing list, then recreated it. He 
added the administrators emails, then went to adding the users. Once again, 
he cannot get the confirmation emails sent. I added his mailing list entry 
to /etc/aliases as I have on another sendmail server, but the newaliases 
command no longer works, and I suspect this might be why he isn't receiving 
the confirmation.

I'm not positive on this, but I don't know what else it can be. The mailing 
list installs fine, but the alias file doesn't seem to update. I looked as 
best for an answer on google, but all I found were others who are trying to 
use qmail and mailman, no real answers. It almost seems that mailman 
doesn't recognize any of the email addresses sent to it. Maybe the aliases 
file has something to do with this problem? The two valid addresses are 
clearly in the administration panel on his list.

Has anybody had success with this? I can't figure out whats wrong. My guess 
is there is a configuration problem somewhere, but where? Mailman? Aliases? 
Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Aaron





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Fri Apr  5 01:46:15 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:46:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman and qmail
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020404152215.00a9bc60@k2.synapseglobal.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020404152215.00a9bc60@k2.synapseglobal.com>
Message-ID: <20020404234615.GD3553@hq.newdream.net>

abw wrote:

> I asked this question earlier and didn't quite get a clear response, so I 
> will post it again. I apologize if I have missed any other lectures about 
> it.

(i think you posted it twice in fact).  i responded to your other
message, although from the wrong address.
 
> I'm not positive on this, but I don't know what else it can be. The
> mailing list installs fine, but the alias file doesn't seem to update.
> I looked as best for an answer on google, but all I found were others
> who are trying to use qmail and mailman, no real answers. It almost
> seems that mailman doesn't recognize any of the email addresses sent
> to it. Maybe the aliases file has something to do with this problem?
> The two valid addresses are clearly in the administration panel on his
> list.

did you read README.QMAIL in the source directory?
not to be rude, but are you using the dot forward package, which is
required for qmail to read standard /etc/aliases style alias files?

by default, qmail uses individual files for aliases instead of one large
flat file.

have you considered switching to EZMLM (which is designed for qmail) or
switching to postfix as your MTA?

 
> Has anybody had success with this? I can't figure out whats wrong. My
> guess is there is a configuration problem somewhere, but where?
> Mailman? Aliases?  Any suggestions?

post your logs.  read README.QMAIL. write a script to generate the right
type of alias files for qmail, or use dot-forward.

the fact that you posted your question twice and didn't include any
logs, or any relevant information other than "it doesn't work" probably
had something to do with the fact that no one responded.

a script like this might work (watch any line wrapping your mail client
might do).

zugzug% cat makenewlist.sh 
#!/bin/sh

for f in $*
do echo "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${f}" > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-$f
echo "|home/mailman/wrapper mailowner ${f}" > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-$f-admin
echo "&{f}-admin" > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-$f-owner
echo "|/home/mailman/wrapper mailcmd ${f}" > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-$f-request
done

actually in the README.QMAIL file, there's a better example:

#!/bin/sh
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
    i=$1
    echo Making links to $i...
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post $i" > .qmail-$i
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-admin
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-owner-$i
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $i" > .qmail-$i-request
fi

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From ajc at polydistortion.net  Fri Apr  5 07:46:08 2002
From: ajc at polydistortion.net (Andrew J Cosgriff)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:46:08 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after 2.0.9 upgrade, admin web pages won't accept any changes
Message-ID: <1yy9g2vgtb.fsf@earthling.aia.aig.com.au>

I've just upgraded Mailman on our Solaris 7 box (Python 2.1.1, Postfix
1.1.7), from 2.0.8 to 2.0.9, this morning.


I first noticed this afternoon that when I went to set somebody's list
subscription to "nomail" via the admin web interface, it ignored me
(ie. I checked nomail, hit submit, and it reloaded the page with
nomail stil unset).  Ok, fine, I've got a command-line tool to twiddle
the nomail flag for somebody, I'll go and do that.


Next, I had to approve a message I sent to a list (I'd used the wrong
>From address).  On the pending requests web page, I checked "approve",
hit "submit", and it reloaded the page with the mail still held,
waiting for my approval.


There's no stray lock files in ~mailman/lock.


I've tried from the following browsers, in case it was a browser
problem...

- galeon 1.2.0 (linux), my usual browser
- opera 6.0b1 (linux) - I even got it to "forget all private data"
  (hence the cookies), and it didn't help
- IE 6.0 under Windows XP

...but the behaviour's the same under all of them.


I tried downgrading to 2.0.8 and the same thing happens, so I'm a
little stuck here.


confused,
 Andrew
-- 
Andrew J Cosgriff <ajc at polydistortion.net>
fashion whitey princess computer sister




From ajc at polydistortion.net  Fri Apr  5 08:00:16 2002
From: ajc at polydistortion.net (Andrew J Cosgriff)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:00:16 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] after 2.0.9 upgrade, admin web pages won't
 accept any changes
In-Reply-To: <1yy9g2vgtb.fsf@earthling.aia.aig.com.au> (Andrew J Cosgriff's
 message of "Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:46:08 +1000")
References: <1yy9g2vgtb.fsf@earthling.aia.aig.com.au>
Message-ID: <1yu1qqvg5r.fsf@earthling.aia.aig.com.au>

Apologies for following up to my own post, but here's a few further
data points :

- my PC and the server's clocks are in sync, so it's not that old
  problem.

- fortunately, it only seems to be happening on a particular list -
  both the "nomail" setting and the message approval that wouldn't
  work were for the same list.  I just had another message approval
  come through on a different list that I was able to approve without
  any trouble at all.

- I'm using the same virtual host to access the web pages as what's
  listed in the lists' "preferred virtual host", if that matters.



ajc wrote :

> I've just upgraded Mailman on our Solaris 7 box (Python 2.1.1, Postfix
> 1.1.7), from 2.0.8 to 2.0.9, this morning.
>
>
> I first noticed this afternoon that when I went to set somebody's list
> subscription to "nomail" via the admin web interface, it ignored me
> (ie. I checked nomail, hit submit, and it reloaded the page with
> nomail stil unset).  Ok, fine, I've got a command-line tool to twiddle
> the nomail flag for somebody, I'll go and do that.
>
>
> Next, I had to approve a message I sent to a list (I'd used the wrong
>>From address).  On the pending requests web page, I checked "approve",
> hit "submit", and it reloaded the page with the mail still held,
> waiting for my approval.
>
>
> There's no stray lock files in ~mailman/lock.
>
>
> I've tried from the following browsers, in case it was a browser
> problem...
>
> - galeon 1.2.0 (linux), my usual browser
> - opera 6.0b1 (linux) - I even got it to "forget all private data"
>   (hence the cookies), and it didn't help
> - IE 6.0 under Windows XP
>
> ...but the behaviour's the same under all of them.
>
>
> I tried downgrading to 2.0.8 and the same thing happens, so I'm a
> little stuck here.
>
>
> confused,
>  Andrew
-- 
Andrew J Cosgriff <ajc at polydistortion.net>
ego missile desert robot memory




From hts at hts.com.au  Fri Apr  5 09:33:56 2002
From: hts at hts.com.au (Steve Farmer)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:33:56 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP log reports access denied
Message-ID: <p0433010db8d3026d7b89@[203.28.219.179]>

Hi all,

I am trying to get mailman running and I am almost there.

However when I try to subscribe, I get no mail back either to admin 
or to my subscription request address.

I have a symbolic link from /home/mailman/mail/wrapper  to  /etc/smrsh/wrapper

I have altered my /etc/aliases file to point to the /etc/smrsh/wrapper

My log at /home/mailman/logs/smtp  reports "All recpients refused: 
(550, '5.0.0 Access denied', 'bcteam-admin at mimas.hts.com.au')


Any ideas ?

Regards
Steve Farmer


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From cassagne at club-internet.fr  Fri Apr  5 09:42:55 2002
From: cassagne at club-internet.fr (Herve Cassagne)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:42:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to forbid REVIEW of subscriber list ?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020405092313.00cf4100@mail.club-internet.fr>

Hi,


I want to be really sure that my subscriber list
cannot be "seen" by anybody.

In most mailing list managers, there is a command
called REVIEW which allows people to get the
subscriber list.

The list owner therefore has to set the list to
NOREVIEW if he wants to keep this list hidden.

I could not find anything such as a REVIEW command
in Mailman - which would imply that the subscriber
list *is* hidden and safe, without having to
change any setting.

But please, could anybody confirm ? !

Thanks,
Herve'




From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Fri Apr  5 10:29:02 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 05 Apr 2002 09:29:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail suddenly stopped getting sent out ??
In-Reply-To: <xmwpu1fsepb.fsf@feynman.osl.manamind.com>
References: <xmwpu1fsepb.fsf@feynman.osl.manamind.com>
Message-ID: <1017995343.14890.3.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 15:47, Chris Searle wrote:

> 5 mailing lists - all going fine. Suddenly, mail doesn't get sent
> out. No error in the error log. Lots of happy success messages in the
> post log. Lots of files in the qfiles directory. Mail just sits there.
> 
> If I copy the qrunner line out of mailman users crontab and run it on
> the command line
> 
>     /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> 
> then all the mail goes out no question.

You *have* checked that crond is running?  That the mailman crontab is
there (in /var/spool/cron ), try restarting crond, and see what the cron
logging has to say.

[If the basic commands work then my suspicion is very strongly that they
aren't being invoked]

	Nigel.

-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Fri Apr  5 16:04:54 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:04:54 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation problem
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317011B1DB2@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

Hello, 
I am trying to  get mailman up and go,
 the box is running
	mailman-2.0.8-1
	exim-3.22.-2
	apache-1.3.23.8
	red hat 7.2

I tried to look through the docs but am not able to find a referecne to were
mailman hooks into the webserver.

from the command line I do a ./newlist test   this works fine.

when the email "Your new mailing list: test" showes up it showes
http://boxname/mailman/admin/test 
	
http://boxname/mailman/listinfo/test
Apache is able to get to ~/mailman/index.html  after I create index.html 

But when or where is admin to be created, along with listinfo?

Ed Rantanen





From bwagner at potpie.org  Fri Apr  5 20:53:11 2002
From: bwagner at potpie.org (Bill Wagner)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:53:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py
Message-ID: localhost.localdomain

Good morning,

I first posted this to the devel list, but figured I'd post it to the
users list to seeif anyone here might have any info on this problem.

I'm running a Mandrake 8.0 box with qmail and have 2.0.9 running fine but
am testing 2.1b1 and have run into a problem.

When passing mail through qmail-to-mailman.py, lines 87 and 88 point to
$prefix/mail/wrapper.  I've done plenty of test installs of 2.1b1, but in
none ofthem is there ever a $prefix/mail/wrapper.  There's a
mail/mailman, but that'snot what qmail-to-mailman.py looks for.  I did a
test and modified it to point tomail/mailman, but that results in a
deferral like:

Apr  5 09:46:25 oscar qmail: 1018028785.696995 delivery 1125: deferral:
Illegal_command:_mailcmd/

So I was wondering if this is a known issue and if anyone might have an
idea of a quick workaround.  Is mail/wrapper now obsolete?

Thanks,

Bill
-- 
Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest,
ugliest, smelliest ape of them all!

                -- Homer Simpson
                   Lisa's Substitute






From bwagner at potpie.org  Fri Apr  5 21:04:46 2002
From: bwagner at potpie.org (Bill Wagner)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:04:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTA_ALIASES_STYLE in 2.1?
In-Reply-To: localhost.localdomain
References: localhost.localdomain
Message-ID: localhost.localdomain

For the record, the "no such file or directory" error is caused by the
qmail-to-mailman.py referring to mail/wrapper which, in 2.1b1, doesn't exist
(been replaced by mail/mailman).

Bill Wagner said:
> Thanks to Jonas's help on the install problem, I've moved along and
> created
> the first list.  However, the aliases it says to create are for the
> sendmail-esque  /etc/aliases.
>
> In the 2.0.x releases, there was an option you could put in your
> Mailman/mm_cfg.py called MTA_ALIASES_STYLE, which, when set to
> 'qmail',  it would tell you what put in ~aliases/.qmail-*; but that
> doesn't seemto exist in  2.1b1.  Has this been changed to something
> else or has it been dropped for some reason?
>
> This was in the 2.0.x version of bin/newlist, starting on line 72:
>
> ---
> QMAIL_ALIAS_TEMPLATE = """
>   echo '|preline %(wrapper)s post %(listname)s'
>   >~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s echo '|preline %(wrapper)s mailowner
>   %(listname)s'
>>~alias/.qmail-%(listname)
> s-admin
>   echo '|preline %(wrapper)s mailcmd %(listname)s'
>>~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-
> request
>   echo '&%(listname)s-admin' >~alias/.qmail-owner-%(listname)s
>   echo '&%(listname)s-admin' >~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-owner
>   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s ~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-admin
>   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-request~
> alias/.qmail-%(listname)s-owner
>   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-owner-%(listname)s
> """
> ---
>
> When I go back , create those files by hand, and go about trying to
> confirm a subscription request, I get the following error in my mail
> log:
>
> Apr  4 07:41:32 oscar qmail: 1017934892.044326 delivery 1471: deferral:
> exceptions.OSError_[Errno_2]_No_such_file_or_directory/Line_103/
>
> So it's almost there, but is currently in a holding pattern until I can
> get pastthis final step.  If anyone can provide any assistance with
> this problem, I'd sure appreciate it.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Bill
> --
> Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest,
> ugliest,
> smelliest ape of them all!
>
>                -- Homer Simpson
>                   Lisa's Substitute
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py


-- 
Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest, ugliest,
smelliest ape of them all!

                -- Homer Simpson
                   Lisa's Substitute







From support at obantec.net  Fri Apr  5 22:44:57 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Support)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:44:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interfaces for list creation
Message-ID: <34aa01c1dce2$c0b21360$0a01a8c0@gamma>

Hi

As subject , has anyone got a link or code for creating lists via web
inplace of shell?
I am comparing majordomo with mailman to decide which to use for my users.
Don't want to re-write stuff that may exist.

Mark






From support at obantec.net  Fri Apr  5 23:24:40 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Support)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 22:24:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interfaces for list creation
References: <004201c1dce5$20d165a0$fdb5a8c0@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <34f201c1dce8$4beb9be0$0a01a8c0@gamma>

Hi Thomas

Yes i am aware of cpanel having used cp3 a year ago.
However @ $99/month it is a little too expensive.
I don't have enough users to justify it as yet.

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Bartke" <tom.b at audiohost.com>
To: "'Support'" <support at obantec.net>
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] web interfaces for list creation


> Mark:
>
> there is a great Web interface integrated in Cpanel 3
http://www.cpanel.net
>
> Thomas Bartke
> ThB.Music Services, Inc.
> http://audiohost.com
> tom.b at audiohost.com
>
> *******************************************************************
> Quality Web Hosting with Cpanel 3, Mailman and features for
> Streaming Multimedia and E-Commerce visit the link below:
> http://audiohost.com/webhosting.htm
> *******************************************************************
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Support
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 12:45 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interfaces for list creation
>
>
> Hi
>
> As subject , has anyone got a link or code for creating lists via web
> inplace of shell?
> I am comparing majordomo with mailman to decide which to use for my users.
> Don't want to re-write stuff that may exist.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From rob at stupidguytalk.org  Fri Apr  5 23:34:04 2002
From: rob at stupidguytalk.org (Rob)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:34:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senmail 8.12 and Mailman 2.0.8
Message-ID: <01e001c1dce9$9c50b470$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>



OK someone out there must be having the same issues with the latest sendmail and the lattes mailman??!!

my problem is this....

sendmail[8757]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(mailman): can not write to queue directory /var/spool/clientmqueue/ (RunAsGid=0, required=100): Permission denied

The new sendmail has a new gid? smmsp ???  it seems mailman can not write to the sendmail spool dir cuz only smmsp is allowed to write to it...

I tried adding mailman to the smmsp group in /etc/group but that did nothign.

When compiling maliman I did this...(on Sun 7)

./configure --prefix=/usr/home/mailman --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-mail-gid=102

the usernmailman and the group mailman have 102 as the gid and uid

and then i get an email back saying....

The original message was received at Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:43:25 -0500 (EST)
from 
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post it"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <it at lists.ca.inter.net>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 102, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

SO anyhelp would be appriciated

Thanks...

Rob Morin(Mr.Legacy)
System Administrator
Montreal, Canada


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From jarrell at vt.edu  Sat Apr  6 05:07:11 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:07:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin passwords made invalid by upgrade to
  Python 2.2
In-Reply-To: <20020403214759.GA5975@docuweb.ca>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020405215837.00a345d0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 04:47 PM 4/3/02 -0500, Neal M. Holtz wrote:
>I'm using mailman 2.0.6 and was using Python 1.5.2
>
>Last week I upgraded to Python 2.2.1c2.  A few days later, it was
>noticed that none of the list administrators passwords would work any
>more.  I suspect this was related to the Python upgrade (its hard to
>tell for sure, but at least one other person has noticed - Jeff
>Klassen in
>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-March/018342.html
>).  There was no reply to that message.
>
>When I looked at the encrypted password in the list config.db
>I noticed that there were characters in there that were NOT
>put there by crypt() (and so the file contained an invalid encryption):
>
># ./dumpdb ../lists/foro/config.db.last | fgrep password
>     'password': 'ix\xeb\xeaA\x9b\xd6\x01\xb3\xd8j\x9dtN\x80\xb8',
>
>A bit strange. Was wondering if anyone knew about this or why it
>happened?

Yea, I'm pretty sure what happened to you is what happened to me.
You weren't actually using crypt before - your 1.5.2 install probably
didn't sucessfully enable the crypt library, so you were using the
other password system.  Python 2+ is much better about finding things,
enables crypt, and suddenly all your passwords are broken, because
by default crypt is enabled.   Try setting USE_CRYPT to 0 in mm_cfg.py





From che at debian.org  Sat Apr  6 07:06:28 2002
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 14:06:28 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in 2.1b1's contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py
In-Reply-To: localhost.localdomain
Message-ID: <0D5B74C8-491C-11D6-99BA-0003931E4DBC@debian.org>

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 03:53 , Bill Wagner wrote:

> When passing mail through qmail-to-mailman.py, lines 87 and 88 point to
> $prefix/mail/wrapper.  I've done plenty of test installs of 2.1b1, but 
> in
> none ofthem is there ever a $prefix/mail/wrapper.

This has been fixed in CVS, I believe.  I sent a patch to Barry a while 
ago
to fix up qmail-to-mailman.py, and he just sent me a note saying he 
applied it.

(Note to all: I'm messing around with Mac OS X's Mail.app program today,
so if it posts this in HTML or RTF or something awful, mea culpa!)

Ben






From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr  6 10:07:22 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 00:07:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interfaces for list creation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Support" <support@obantec.net> 
   of "Fri, 05 Apr 2002 21:44:57 +0100." <34aa01c1dce2$c0b21360$0a01a8c0@gamma> 
References: <34aa01c1dce2$c0b21360$0a01a8c0@gamma> 
Message-ID: <17211.1018080442@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:44:57 +0100 
support  <support at obantec.net> wrote:

> ... has anyone got a link or code for creating lists via web inplace
> of shell?  

This is a feature of 2.1.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From support at obantec.net  Sat Apr  6 11:40:30 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Support)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:40:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interfaces for list creation 
References: <34aa01c1dce2$c0b21360$0a01a8c0@gamma>  <17211.1018080442@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <37ee01c1dd4f$177e42b0$0a01a8c0@gamma>

Hi

I got 3 copies of your reply 3 minutes apart!

Guess i will wait for 2.1 to move from beta to final.

Mark
--
Obantec Support
www.obantec.net 
WebHosting and Domains
Nominet UK Tag Holder
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
To: "Support" <support at obantec.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] web interfaces for list creation 


> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:44:57 +0100 
> support  <support at obantec.net> wrote:
> 
> > ... has anyone got a link or code for creating lists via web inplace
> > of shell?  
> 
> This is a feature of 2.1.  
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?   
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From vik at progsoc.uts.edu.au  Sat Apr  6 11:59:06 2002
From: vik at progsoc.uts.edu.au (Vik)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:59:06 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0.8
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204061953170.18751-100000@sutekh.progsoc.uts.edu.au>

hey,

I'm involved with a production system which is currently running
debian/stable with mailman 1.1 (the debian/stable version of
mailman). However, it is not terribly stable (out-of-control mail loops
have caused various problems including crashing the server)

As such, we are considering upgrading to 2.0.8 (version from
debian/testing). Are there any issues with the upgrade from 1 to 2?

Is 2.x particularly more stable than 1.x ?

Does anyone have any experience doing this (running 2.x on a debian/stable
system)?

cheers,

vik

<http://www.progsoc.org/~vik>
PGP: <http://www.progsoc.org/~vik/pgp.txt>

"I think it would be a good idea." Ghandi, on Western Civilisation





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Apr  6 12:17:40 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 02:17:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204061953170.18751-100000@sutekh.progsoc.uts.edu.au>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204061953170.18751-100000@sutekh.progsoc.uts.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20020406101740.GW10904@hq.newdream.net>

Vik wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any experience doing this (running 2.x on a debian/stable
> system)?

with a little editing, you can build the unstable package on -stable.
i've also built from source on -stable. if you're already using the
package, you might want to use the packaged version, since debian puts
stuff in weird (ie conforming to debian policy) places.

you'll need the debianutils and dh-make packages if you don't already
have them.  i think i needed to comment out the dh_installman line from
debian/rules in the source package as well.

so basically....
1) install the debianutils dpkg-dev and dh-make packages if necessary.
1.5) edit sources list so that you're getting testing or unstable source
packages.
2) apt-get source mailman 
3) edit mailman-2.0.8/debian/rules as necessary (i think just commenting
out the dh_installman line is sufficient).
4) (from within the source directory) $ fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage 
5) # cd .. ; dpkg -i mailman*deb

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From vik at progsoc.uts.edu.au  Sat Apr  6 12:24:34 2002
From: vik at progsoc.uts.edu.au (Vik)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:24:34 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <20020406101740.GW10904@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204062022420.18751-100000@sutekh.progsoc.uts.edu.au>

> 1) install the debianutils dpkg-dev and dh-make packages if necessary.
> 1.5) edit sources list so that you're getting testing or unstable source
> packages.
> 2) apt-get source mailman 
> 3) edit mailman-2.0.8/debian/rules as necessary (i think just commenting
> out the dh_installman line is sufficient).
> 4) (from within the source directory) $ fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage 
> 5) # cd .. ; dpkg -i mailman*deb

yeah - I did all of this, it worked fine on my test system; I'm just a bit
worried about the current lists on the production system - will it work
with lists (and archives) created by mailman 1?

chow

vik

<http://www.progsoc.org/~vik>
PGP: <http://www.progsoc.org/~vik/pgp.txt>

"I think it would be a good idea." Ghandi, on Western Civilisation





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Apr  6 12:30:23 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 02:30:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204062022420.18751-100000@sutekh.progsoc.uts.edu.au>
References: <20020406101740.GW10904@hq.newdream.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204062022420.18751-100000@sutekh.progsoc.uts.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20020406103023.GA22393@hq.newdream.net>

Vik wrote:
> 
> yeah - I did all of this, it worked fine on my test system; I'm just a bit
> worried about the current lists on the production system - will it work
> with lists (and archives) created by mailman 1?

well it *should*.

i installed the debian package of 2.0.8 on a woody machine, and was able
to (with minimal editing / symlinking etc.) to get it to play nice with
files / archives from 1.x, and that was installed from source
originally.

so my guess is that it will work, but definitely backup your old
installation first :>

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From sgreverend at attbi.com  Sat Apr  6 14:08:13 2002
From: sgreverend at attbi.com (Sylvie Greverend)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:08:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe no message - subscribe no confirm+ no approval
Message-ID: <LPBBKAMOJABFNJEJCKHGGEMDCFAA.sgreverend@attbi.com>

Is it possible not to send an unsubscribe message to the person?

Is is possible to have a subscribtion with no confirmation and no approval?

Thank you




From eward at uarc.com  Sat Apr  6 18:12:58 2002
From: eward at uarc.com (Eric Ward)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:12:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced mail going to Postmaster, not Mailman
Message-ID: <p04330102b8d4cebeab62@[166.70.102.67]>

Mailman users:

I've got a problem.

I've recently setup Mailman 2.0.6 on RH 7.2 with Postfix 20011121snapshot using MySQL for user verification (with the virtual features).  I host a handful of different virtual mail domains on this machine, and setup a Mailman list called Natlpower for one of these virtual domains for a client.

They started using the list, and everything seems to be setup properly (that is, people received the messages, and can subscribe and unsubscribe with no problems).  However, they recently subscribed a large list of addresses.  When they sent out the first confirmation of this switch, I as postmaster for the local host received a dozen "Postmaster Copy: Undelivered Mail" messages, saying that this user is over quota, that this user doesn't exist, et cetera.  An example bounce is below, along with my Postfix configuration.

I do not want to receive these e-mails every time someone on the list sends out a message and the Postfix server gets these bounces.  However, I can't redirect all bounces to them, as most bounces won't be for their list.  I know that Mailman is supposed to handle these bounces and take action on them.

What am I supposed to do?  How can I configure Postfix to direct these bounce error messages to the "Errors-To: natlpower-admin at wearepower.org" address that appears in the Mailman message headers?  Or do I have to run a filter program to filter these bounce messages and redirect them to the 'natlpower-admin' alias?  And if the wrapper for this alias receives this bounce message, will it take the appropriate action according to its settings in the "Bounce" admin panel?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Below:  1) Postconf -n output; 2) Example bounce; 3) Maillog entries

--
Eric Ward

[root at tempest root]# postconf -n
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
default_destination_concurrency_limit = 10
default_privs = nobody
default_transport = smtp
home_mailbox = Maildir/
inet_interfaces = all
local_destination_concurrency_limit = 2
luser_relay = ericward at xmission.com
mail_owner = postfix
mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail
maps_rbl_domains = blackholes.mail-abuse.org
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf
mydomain = uarc.com
myhostname = tempest.uarc.com
mynetworks = 127.0.0.1
myorigin = $myhostname
notify_classes = resource, software, bounce, policy
program_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_recipient, check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp, check_relay_domains
transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf
virtual_gid_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/gids.cf
virtual_mailbox_base = /
virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mailboxes.cf
virtual_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/remote_aliases.cf
virtual_uid_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/uids.cf

An example bounce is below:
--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=
Return-Path: <double-bounce at tempest.uarc.com>
Received: from tempest.uarc.com [166.70.102.73] by 166.70.102.66; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:45 -0700
Received: by tempest.uarc.com (Postfix)	id DC54A74535; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0700 (MST)
Delivered-To: root at tempest.uarc.com
Received: by tempest.uarc.com (Postfix)	id 8EB5074540; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0700 (MST)
From: MAILER-DAEMON at tempest.uarc.com (Mail Delivery System)
To: postmaster at tempest.uarc.com
Subject: Postmaster Copy: Undelivered Mail
Message-ID: <20020324014242.8EB5074540 at tempest.uarc.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;	boundary="9E9417453F.1016934162/tempest.uarc.com"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Content-Description: Notification
Content-Type: text/plain

<arizerocs at hotmail.com>: host mx09.hotmail.com[64.4.49.71] said: 552 Requested
    mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation

Content-Description: Delivery error report
Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: dns; tempest.uarc.com
Arrival-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:32 -0700 (MST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; arizerocs at hotmail.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host mx09.hotmail.com[64.4.49.71] said: 552
    Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation

Content-Description: Undelivered Message Headers
Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers

Received: from tempest.uarc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
	by tempest.uarc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9417453F
	for <arizerocs at hotmail.com>; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Welcome to the "Natlpower" mailing list
From: natlpower-request at wearepower.org
To: arizerocs at hotmail.com
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Sender: natlpower-admin at wearepower.org
Errors-To: natlpower-admin at wearepower.org
X-BeenThere: natlpower at wearepower.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: <mailto:natlpower-request at wearepower.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:natlpower at wearepower.org>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.wearepower.org/mailman/listinfo/natlpower>,
	<mailto:natlpower-request at wearepower.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: <natlpower.wearepower.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.wearepower.org/mailman/listinfo/natlpower>,
	<mailto:natlpower-request at wearepower.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.wearepower.org/pipermail/natlpower/>
Message-Id: <20020324014232.9E9417453F at tempest.uarc.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:32 -0700 (MST)
--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=

Maillog Entries:

Mar 23 18:42:32 tempest postfix/cleanup[30818]: 9E9417453F: message-id=<20020324014232.9E9417453F at tempest.uarc.com>
Mar 23 18:42:32 tempest postfix/qmgr[24335]: 9E9417453F: from=<natlpower-admin at wearepower.org>, size=2346, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 23 18:42:32 tempest postfix/smtpd[30788]: 9E9417453F: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]
Mar 23 18:42:41 tempest postfix/smtp[30811]: 9E9417453F: to=<arizerocs at hotmail.com>, relay=mx09.hotmail.com[64.4.49.71], delay=8, status=bounced (host mx09.hotmail.com[64.4.49.71] said: 552 Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation)
Mar 23 18:42:42 tempest postfix/cleanup[30818]: 8EB5074540: message-id=<20020324014242.8EB5074540 at tempest.uarc.com>
Mar 23 18:42:42 tempest postfix/cleanup[30823]: DC54A74535: message-id=<20020324014242.8EB5074540 at tempest.uarc.com>
Mar 23 18:42:42 tempest postfix/qmgr[24335]: 8EB5074540: from=<double-bounce at tempest.uarc.com>, size=2467, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 23 18:42:43 tempest postfix/local[30848]: 8EB5074540: to=<postmaster at tempest.uarc.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent (forwarded as DC54A74535)
Mar 23 18:42:43 tempest postfix/qmgr[24335]: DC54A74535: from=<double-bounce at tempest.uarc.com>, size=2600, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 23 18:42:44 tempest postfix/smtp[30811]: DC54A74535: to=<eward at uarc.com>, relay=uarc.com[166.70.102.66], delay=2, status=sent (250 OK)




From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Sun Apr  7 02:38:58 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 19:38:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having trouble with using Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020406192544.00b91148@mail.ulmschneiders.com>

Hit there-

I am running RHL 7.2 with a PIII-500 and 78mb Ram.
When I type "python" at the prompt - I get the following version output:

         Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul 5 2001, 03:02:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red 
Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386


My install went OK. When I got to the /check_perms I had to use the -f but 
after that I did get a "no problems" message.
I am having trouble setting up the lists. I believe that the mail is being 
refused. Here is my scenario----

I setup the "test" list as described in the documentation - but never 
received an email notifying me how to access the list.
I am also trying to figure out how to setup the httpd.conf to allow access 
to the server via the web. I have added the following
to my httpd.conf file for use of Mailman:
         ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
         Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
and
         <VirtualHost 10.0.0.100>
         ServerAdmin mailman-owner at datatechie.com
         DocumentRoot /home/mailman/
         ServerName mailman.datatechie.com
         ErrorLog mailman-error_log
         TransferLog mailman-access_log
         ServerSignature email
         DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.htm index.shtml
         LogLevel warn
         HostNameLookups off
         </VirtualHost>

I am checking the FAQs and is says to check the crontab and I don't see any 
entries in /etc/crontab for Mailman. I have even run the command crontab 
crontab.in form /$prefix/cron again to test it an there are still noe 
entries in /etc/crontab. Am I doing something wrong?

Then the FAQs said to check the logs and that the aliases are setup 
correctly. The FAQ says that the aliases should be in
~mailman/data/aliases - which I can't even find. and the logs show the 
following error:

SMTP LOG
         Apr 06 19:20:01 2002 (6320) All recipients refused: (111, 
'Connection refused')
         Apr 06 19:20:01 2002 (6320) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.077 
seconds

POST LOG
         Apr 06 18:20:01 2002 (5286) error opening list: test
         Apr 06 18:20:01 2002 (5286) Dequeuing message destined for missing 
list:        /home/mailman/qfiles/8d2ce85b7808e4b734c5057735454ab625fbcfce

SMTP-FAILURE LOG
         Apr 06 19:24:00 2002 (6388) -1 dene at ulmschneiders.com (ignore)

Anyone know how I can fix this?

Also- isn't there "home page" for admin via the web? I have not found an 
"index.htm" anywhere in the Mailman folders.
Where do I point the httpd.conf to for the DocumentRoot?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Dene.
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From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Sun Apr  7 03:08:17 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 20:08:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] troubles with Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020406200650.00b8f748@mail.ulmschneiders.com>

Hi there-

I am running RHL 7.2 with a PIII-500 and 784mb Ram.

My install went OK. When I got to the /check_perms I had to use the -f but 
after that I did get a "no problems" message.
I am having trouble setting up the lists. I believe that the mail is being 
refused. Here is my scenario----

I setup the "test" list as described in the documentation - but never 
received an email notifying me how to access the list.
I am also trying to figure out how to setup the httpd.conf to allow access 
to the server via the web. I have added the following
to my httpd.conf file for use of Mailman:
         ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
         Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
and
         <VirtualHost 10.0.0.100>
         ServerAdmin mailman-owner at datatechie.com
         DocumentRoot /home/mailman/
         ServerName mailman.datatechie.com
         ErrorLog mailman-error_log
         TransferLog mailman-access_log
         ServerSignature email
         DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.htm index.shtml
         LogLevel warn
         HostNameLookups off
         </VirtualHost>

Then the FAQs said to check the logs and that the aliases are setup 
correctly. The FAQ says that the aliases should be in
~mailman/data/aliases - which I can't even find. and the logs show the 
following error:

SMTP LOG
Apr 06 19:20:01 2002 (6320) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused')
Apr 06 19:20:01 2002 (6320) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.077 seconds

POST LOG
Apr 06 18:20:01 2002 (5286) error opening list: test
Apr 06 18:20:01 2002 (5286) Dequeuing message destined for missing list: 
/home/mailman/qfiles/8d2ce85b7808e4b734c5057735454ab625fbcfce

SMTP-FAILURE LOG
Apr 06 19:24:00 2002 (6388) -1 dene at ulmschneiders.com (ignore)

Anyone know how I can fix this?

Also- isn't there "home page" for admin via the web? I have not found an 
"index.htm" anywhere in the Mailman folders.
Where do I point the httpd.conf to for the DocumentRoot?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Dene.
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From william at hq.newdream.net  Fri Apr  5 00:30:22 2002
From: william at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:30:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman does not like QMAIL ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204041723490.12444-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204041723490.12444-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>
Message-ID: <20020404223022.GD20954@hq.newdream.net>

ajit k jena wrote:
[i think you've sent your message twice now]
 
> I am trying to setup mailing lists using Mailman. I use Sun Solaris
> 2.8 on Sparc. My mail delivery system is QMAIL.
> 
> I have defined a mailing list called mtest. However, attempts to
> subscribe to the list donot succeed. They just get into the Mailbox
> of the user "mailman".
> 
> I am sure there are many who have the QMAIL+MAILMAN combination
> working. Can anybody please help me set it up correctly ?

have you read README.QMAIL in the mailman source?
perhaps you could provide some more specifics of how you have mailman
and qmail configured, some log errors or *something*....

you might also check out EZMLM, which is an MLM for qmail.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From Thugworld2 at aol.com  Fri Apr  5 03:43:31 2002
From: Thugworld2 at aol.com (Thugworld2 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:43:31 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems
Message-ID: <15c.b46102b.29de5b43@aol.com>

im new using this feature. 

All I want is for members of my site to sign up and only I can send emails to 
the members. 

The problem is that instead of subscribing members keep sending to entire 
list and I have to go retreive it from pending. I turned the feature off but 
it still goes through they just dont understand to join you have to enter in 
a password etc 

Also why do I have to approve sending my own messages to group 
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From Thugworld2 at aol.com  Fri Apr  5 03:45:06 2002
From: Thugworld2 at aol.com (Thugworld2 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:45:06 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending email
Message-ID: <87.19993bb3.29de5ba2@aol.com>

anyone have any idea why my email address shows when sending emails to group. 
when i send messages to my members if they reply it shows my email adress 
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From nick at netunltd.com.au  Fri Apr  5 07:06:01 2002
From: nick at netunltd.com.au (Nick Cockinos)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:06:01 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How To Setup Crontab
Message-ID: <000001c1dc5f$94ab9080$11960bd2@NETUNLTD.COM.AU>

Hi 
I've been having a problem with Mailman. I can subscribe to a list,
create a list etc, but I can't post to a list or confirm subscriotion.
When I subscribe through the web interface I get an email to reply to
but when I do nothing happens. I've posted this problem before and have
been unsuccesful in getting it working.

When I ps aux for mailman all I get is the grep line, so no running
process. How do I set up my system to start mailman automatically(if
that's what I'm meant to do). I run Debian 2.4??

Thanks in advance

Regards,

Nick Cockinos
Net Unlimited Pty Ltd





From chris at longship.org  Fri Apr  5 08:29:15 2002
From: chris at longship.org (Chris Searle)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 08:29:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mail suddenly stopped getting sent out ??
Message-ID: <xmwlmc2r744.fsf@feynman.osl.manamind.com>

Ack, sorry for bothering everyone - I found I had a dead cron process,
so no wonder the mail wasn't heading out :-(

-- 
Chris Searle




From mox at iki.fi  Fri Apr  5 12:37:08 2002
From: mox at iki.fi (Mox)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:37:08 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a bug in the mailman webpages...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10204051334160.14159-100000@alpha.hut.fi>

Hi,

The webpage at http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/MM21/todo.html
is buggy; it repeats the wishlist items over and over again under each
topic => the list gets very long towards the end...

P.S. Thanks for the Mailman, it's great!

	      Juha 'Mox' Huuhtanen -- mox at iki.fi
		      -- http://iki.fi/mox -- 

	       * Smile, and it comes back to you :) *

  K?ytt?j?n Yst?v?t -> http://usability.hut.fi/kayttajanystavat/
   Aiesec-HUT Human Resources -> http://www.tky.hut.fi/~aiesec/








From scann at jcorporate.com  Fri Apr  5 21:09:22 2002
From: scann at jcorporate.com (Sandra Cann)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:09:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus checking
Message-ID: <NDBBKHNOAIANFPMKELAEEEHDHJAC.scann@jcorporate.com>

Dear Sir,

You are welcome to add us to your list of mailman in use.

On another not - yesterday someone posted an email with a virus - as a
result I have lost quite a few subscribers. Is there a feature to integrate
mailman with a virus checker before it is sent?

--
Sandra Cann
http://www.jcorporate.com
Open and shared standards based Java components

"Our separation from each other is an optical illusion of consciousness."
(Albert Einstein)





From rob at staff.ca.inter.net  Fri Apr  5 23:31:48 2002
From: rob at staff.ca.inter.net (Rob Morin)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:31:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senmail 8.12 and Mailman 2.0.8
Message-ID: <01c901c1dce9$4ade2e10$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>

OK someone out there must be having the same issues with the latest sendmail and the lattes mailman??!!

my problem is this....

sendmail[8757]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(mailman): can not write to queue directory /var/spool/clientmqueue/ (RunAsGid=0, required=100): Permission denied

The new sendmail has a new gid? smmsp ???  it seems mailman can not write to the sendmail spool dir cuz only smmsp is allowed to write to it...

I tried adding mailman to the smmsp group in /etc/group but that did nothign.

When compiling maliman I did this...(on Sun 7)

./configure --prefix=/usr/home/mailman --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-mail-gid=102

the usernmailman and the group mailman have 102 as the gid and uid

and then i get an email back saying....

The original message was received at Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:43:25 -0500 (EST)
from 
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post it"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <it at lists.ca.inter.net>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 102, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

SO anyhelp would be appriciated

Thanks...

Rob Morin(Mr.Legacy)
System Administrator
Montreal, Canada


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From joseph.wheatley at starpower.net  Sat Apr  6 19:11:48 2002
From: joseph.wheatley at starpower.net (Joseph Wheatley)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about creating read-only list
Message-ID: <001d01c1dd8e$24cb91e0$ee763bd0@cable.rcn.com>

Hi! I'm using Mailman through my website host, ipowerweb.com, and have really enjoyed it so far. I do have a rather stupid question, though. How can I set-up a read-only list? I wasn't able to find any options in the configuration program that prevent posting by non-admin people.

Thanks for your help,
Joe
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From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Sun Apr  7 01:19:13 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:19:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble with final steps of install.
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020406150223.00b17210@mail.ulmschneiders.com>

Hit there-

I am running RHL 7.2 with a PIII-500 and 78mb Ram.

When I type "python" at the prompt - I get the following version output:
         Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul  5 2001, 03:02:19)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red 
Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386

I setup the "test" list as described in the documentation - but never 
received an email notifying me how to access the list.
I am also trying to figure out how to setup the httpd.conf to allow access 
to the server via the web. I have added the following
to my httpd.conf file for use of Mailman:
         ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
         Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
and
         <VirtualHost 10.0.0.100>
                 ServerAdmin mailman-owner at datatechie.com
                 DocumentRoot /home/mailman/
                 ServerName  mailman.datatechie.com
                 ErrorLog mailman-error_log
                 TransferLog mailman-access_log
                 ServerSignature email
                 DirectoryIndex  index.php index.html index.htm index.shtml
                 LogLevel  warn
                 HostNameLookups off
         </VirtualHost>

Also- isn't there "home page" for admin via the web? I have not found an 
"index.htm" anywhere in the Mailman folders.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Dene.

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From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Sun Apr  7 04:07:40 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:07:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having trouble with using Mailman
In-Reply-To: <007101c1ddd2$e420a5a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020406192544.00b91148@mail.ulmschneiders.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020406210221.00badcf8@mail.ulmschneiders.com>

I did add the lines to the /etc/aliases file. The newaliases command 
actually returned an error that said:

WARNING: local host name (Morpheus) is not qualified; fix $j in config file
/etc/aliases: 52 aliases, longest 54 bytes, 801 bytes total

I have been trying to find the $j - but I am not sure what config file the 
error is reffering to. Is it reffering to the Snedmail config or the 
Mailman config or something totally different. Any reference I can find 
says the hostname is "morpheus.ulmschneiders.com"

Is that why the SMTP log says the connection is refused? Where do I go form 
here and why am I getting a permission error when
I try to go to http://mailman.ulmschneiders.com? The DNS is pointed 
correctly but it says I do not have permission to access /

Thanks for the help

Dene


At 03:23 AM 4/7/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Did you "after" the command ./new_list copy the listed lines to 
>/etc/aliases ? and then run newaliases ?
>Is there a /mailman/archives/public/test ?
>
>
> >Also- isn't there "home page" for admin via the web? I have not found an 
> "index.htm" anywhere in the Mailman folders.
> >Where do I point the httpd.conf to for the DocumentRoot?
>There is not one.
>Go 
>to 
><http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/>http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/ , 
>this is the document root.
>
>Danny.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:dene at ulmschneiders.com>Dene Ulmschneider
>To: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>mailman-users at python.org
>Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 2:38 AM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] having trouble with using Mailman
>
>Hit there-
>
>I am running RHL 7.2 with a PIII-500 and 78mb Ram.
>When I type "python" at the prompt - I get the following version output:
>
>         Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul 5 2001, 03:02:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red 
> Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386
>
>
>
>My install went OK. When I got to the /check_perms I had to use the -f but 
>after that I did get a "no problems" message.
>I am having trouble setting up the lists. I believe that the mail is being 
>refused. Here is my scenario----
>
>I setup the "test" list as described in the documentation - but never 
>received an email notifying me how to access the list.
>I am also trying to figure out how to setup the httpd.conf to allow access 
>to the server via the web. I have added the following
>to my httpd.conf file for use of Mailman:
>         ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>         Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
>and
>         <VirtualHost 10.0.0.100>
>         ServerAdmin mailman-owner at datatechie.com
>         DocumentRoot /home/mailman/
>         ServerName mailman.datatechie.com
>         ErrorLog mailman-error_log
>         TransferLog mailman-access_log
>         ServerSignature email
>         DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.htm index.shtml
>         LogLevel warn
>         HostNameLookups off
>         </VirtualHost>
>
>I am checking the FAQs and is says to check the crontab and I don't see 
>any entries in /etc/crontab for Mailman. I have even run the command 
>crontab crontab.in form /$prefix/cron again to test it an there are still 
>noe entries in /etc/crontab. Am I doing something wrong?
>
>Then the FAQs said to check the logs and that the aliases are setup 
>correctly. The FAQ says that the aliases should be in
>~mailman/data/aliases - which I can't even find. and the logs show the 
>following error:
>
>SMTP LOG
>         Apr 06 19:20:01 2002 (6320) All recipients refused: (111, 
> 'Connection refused')
>         Apr 06 19:20:01 2002 (6320) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.077 
> seconds
>
>POST LOG
>         Apr 06 18:20:01 2002 (5286) error opening list: test
>         Apr 06 18:20:01 2002 (5286) Dequeuing message destined for 
> missing 
> list:        /home/mailman/qfiles/8d2ce85b7808e4b734c5057735454ab625fbcfce
>
>SMTP-FAILURE LOG
>         Apr 06 19:24:00 2002 (6388) -1 dene at ulmschneiders.com (ignore)
>
>Anyone know how I can fix this?
>
>Also- isn't there "home page" for admin via the web? I have not found an 
>"index.htm" anywhere in the Mailman folders.
>Where do I point the httpd.conf to for the DocumentRoot?
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks Dene.
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From jebva at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  7 08:24:56 2002
From: jebva at yahoo.com (David)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:24:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
Message-ID: <20020407062456.36708.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>

     The debate goes on I know, but here is exactly why these excessive
headers suck.  I want to set up a news list not a discussion list.  The
only person who will be able to post is the list owner.  I don't need
all the junk about how to post to the list on top of each mail since it
is WRONG for the setup in question.  Why the folks who designed this
are on such a power trip over something that damn near renders their
product useless is beyond me.
     I have tried the edits I have been given to nuke these absurd
headers but so far none of them work.  It would be of great benefit if
the whole thing was just taken OUT of he code altogether and let the
list managers set up message fronters/footers with what they want.  I
fail to see why something so simple has to be made into such a crappy
"feature".  Yeah I know quote some absurd SUGGESTED OPTIONAL compliance
standard to me.  It does not change the fact that what I am saying is
right.


Thanks...  I feel much better now!

__________________________________________________
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From alambardi at itsyandy.net  Sun Apr  7 11:16:52 2002
From: alambardi at itsyandy.net (Andrea Lambardi)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:16:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving lists to different server
Message-ID: <200204070916.g379GaO91685@itsyandy.com>

Hello,

I need to move some lists from one server to another. I use 2.0.8 on both.
Will everything work just copying and moving directories and archives?
Any suggestions?

Thanks.

- Andrea Lambardi <alambardi at itsyandy.net>






From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Sun Apr  7 15:57:51 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:57:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having trouble with using Mailman
In-Reply-To: <007101c1ddd2$e420a5a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020406192544.00b91148@mail.ulmschneiders.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020407095154.03224a58@mail.ulmschneiders.com>

OK-

I can now actually get to the listinfo.html located at:
http://mailman.datatechie.com/virus-warnings/listinfo.html but it does not 
allowed me to eveter any info or change any options.

I also have fixed the problem with getting the error when running the 
newaliases command. I am no longer getting the error that the hostname is 
not qualified.

I am still having trouble sending any emails to the address: 
virus-warnings at datatechie.com. The message comes back to me with the 
following errors in the headers:

Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:41:27 -0400
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at Morpheus>
To: <dene at ulmschneiders.com>
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)

The original message was received at Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:41:27 -0400
from [10.0.0.100]
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<virus-warnings at mailman.datatechie.com>
(reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
553 5.3.5 dsltechie.dns2go.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX 
problem?)
554 5.3.5 Local configuration error
550 5.1.1 postmaster at ulmschneiders.com... User unknown
550 5.1.1 postmaster... User unknown
Reporting-MTA: dns; Morpheus
Received-From-MTA: DNS; [192.168.1.2]
Arrival-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:41:27 -0400
Final-Recipient: RFC822; virus-warnings at dsltechie.dns2go.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.3.5
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 5.3.5 system config error
Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:41:27 -0400
Return-Path: <dene at ulmschneiders.com>
Received: from Monster.ulmschneiders.com ([192.168.1.2])
by Morpheus (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g37DfRK11872
for <virus-warnings at mailman.datatechie.com>; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:41:27 -0400
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020407095343.03266e98 at mail.ulmschneiders.com>
X-Sender: deneu at mail.ulmschneiders.com
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:54:19 -0400
To: virus-warnings at dsltechie.dns2go.com
From: Dene Ulmschneider <dene at ulmschneiders.com>
Subject: test to virus-warnings at mailman.datatechie.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Any suggestions would really be appreciated.

Dene



At 03:23 AM 4/7/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Did you "after" the command ./new_list copy the listed lines to 
>/etc/aliases ? and then run newaliases ?
>Is there a /mailman/archives/public/test ?
>
>
> >Also- isn't there "home page" for admin via the web? I have not found an 
> "index.htm" anywhere in the Mailman folders.
> >Where do I point the httpd.conf to for the DocumentRoot?
>There is not one.
>Go 
>to 
><http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/>http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/ , 
>this is the document root.
>
>Danny.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:dene at ulmschneiders.com>Dene Ulmschneider
>To: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>mailman-users at python.org
>Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 2:38 AM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] having trouble with using Mailman
>
>Hit there-
>
>I am running RHL 7.2 with a PIII-500 and 78mb Ram.
>When I type "python" at the prompt - I get the following version output:
>
>         Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul 5 2001, 03:02:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red 
> Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386
>
>
>
>My install went OK. When I got to the /check_perms I had to use the -f but 
>after that I did get a "no problems" message.
>I am having trouble setting up the lists. I believe that the mail is being 
>refused. Here is my scenario----
>
>I setup the "test" list as described in the documentation - but never 
>received an email notifying me how to access the list.
>I am also trying to figure out how to setup the httpd.conf to allow access 
>to the server via the web. I have added the following
>to my httpd.conf file for use of Mailman:
>         ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>         Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
>and
>         <VirtualHost 10.0.0.100>
>         ServerAdmin mailman-owner at datatechie.com
>         DocumentRoot /home/mailman/
>         ServerName mailman.datatechie.com
>         ErrorLog mailman-error_log
>         TransferLog mailman-access_log
>         ServerSignature email
>         DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.htm index.shtml
>         LogLevel warn
>         HostNameLookups off
>         </VirtualHost>
>
>I am checking the FAQs and is says to check the crontab and I don't see 
>any entries in /etc/crontab for Mailman. I have even run the command 
>crontab crontab.in form /$prefix/cron again to test it an there are still 
>noe entries in /etc/crontab. Am I doing something wrong?
>
>Then the FAQs said to check the logs and that the aliases are setup 
>correctly. The FAQ says that the aliases should be in
>~mailman/data/aliases - which I can't even find. and the logs show the 
>following error:
>
>SMTP LOG
>         Apr 06 19:20:01 2002 (6320) All recipients refused: (111, 
> 'Connection refused')
>         Apr 06 19:20:01 2002 (6320) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.077 
> seconds
>
>POST LOG
>         Apr 06 18:20:01 2002 (5286) error opening list: test
>         Apr 06 18:20:01 2002 (5286) Dequeuing message destined for 
> missing 
> list:        /home/mailman/qfiles/8d2ce85b7808e4b734c5057735454ab625fbcfce
>
>SMTP-FAILURE LOG
>         Apr 06 19:24:00 2002 (6388) -1 dene at ulmschneiders.com (ignore)
>
>Anyone know how I can fix this?
>
>Also- isn't there "home page" for admin via the web? I have not found an 
>"index.htm" anywhere in the Mailman folders.
>Where do I point the httpd.conf to for the DocumentRoot?
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks Dene.
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From kri at toxeleia.cftri.org  Sun Apr  7 16:41:01 2002
From: kri at toxeleia.cftri.org (Krishna Rao SN)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:11:01 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Operating System error
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020407095154.03224a58@mail.ulmschneiders.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBLDLFICBLOMMBBEIEIENLCPAA.kri@toxeleia.cftri.org>

Hi Lists,

Installed mailman on RH Linux 6.2 with apache & sendmail

Installation was successful without any errors.

Created a test list with users.
Now If I post a message to the list as auser, my message is delivered to the
list server.

On the server if I type mailq command, the following error message shows:

# mailq
                Mail Queue (1 request)
--Q-ID-- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------
UAA15668      151 Sun Apr  7 20:02 <kri at mylibnet.org>
                 (Operating system error)
                                   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
toxeleia-he lp

Please advice
--krishna

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From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Sun Apr  7 19:38:26 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 13:38:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp connections refused
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020407133445.00b187b0@mail.ulmschneiders.com>

anyone know why I would be getting the following error in 
/home/mailman/logs/smtp ?

Apr 07 13:23:01 2002 (16533) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
refused')
Apr 07 13:23:01 2002 (16533) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.024 seconds

Everything else seems to function OK up until I created the test list. I 
never receive the confirm email telling
how to access the list and I believe this error is why.

Thanks

Dene





From rodolfo at pilas.net  Sun Apr  7 20:18:38 2002
From: rodolfo at pilas.net (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: 07 Apr 2002 15:18:38 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Language support to spanish
In-Reply-To: <AHEPLLMMMNABGHDBBDDFMEPECNAA.rsierra@us.es>
References: <AHEPLLMMMNABGHDBBDDFMEPECNAA.rsierra@us.es>
Message-ID: <1018203525.2487.18.camel@julieta>

El mar, 02-04-2002 a las 09:35, Rafael Sierra del Pino escribi?:
> Hi folks:
> 
> Have you got language support to Spanish?

Mailman 2.1 beta has multilingual support.  Spanish is one of the up to
date supported languages.
 
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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  8 02:28:45 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:28:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus checking 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Sandra Cann" <scann@jcorporate.com> 
   of "Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:09:22 EST." <NDBBKHNOAIANFPMKELAEEEHDHJAC.scann@jcorporate.com> 
References: <NDBBKHNOAIANFPMKELAEEEHDHJAC.scann@jcorporate.com> 
Message-ID: <8941.1018225725@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:09:22 -0500 
Sandra Cann <scann at jcorporate.com> wrote:

> On another not - yesterday someone posted an email with a virus - as a
> result I have lost quite a few subscribers. Is there a feature to
> integrate mailman with a virus checker before it is sent?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  8 02:30:42 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:30:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck 
In-Reply-To: Message from David <jebva@yahoo.com> 
   of "Sat, 06 Apr 2002 22:24:56 PST." <20020407062456.36708.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20020407062456.36708.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <8964.1018225842@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 22:24:56 -0800 (PST) 
jebva  <David> wrote:

> Why the folks who designed this are on such a power trip over
> something that damn near renders their product useless is beyond me.

Have you considered that perhaps Mailman is just not for you?

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claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Apr  8 02:43:03 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:43:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
References: <20020407062456.36708.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3CB0E797.B69F6399@pcraft.com>

David wrote:

> Why the folks who designed this
> are on such a power trip over something that damn near renders their
> product useless is beyond me.
>      I have tried the edits I have been given to nuke these absurd
> headers but so far none of them work.  It would be of great benefit if
> the whole thing was just taken OUT of he code altogether and let the
> list managers set up message fronters/footers with what they want.  I
> fail to see why something so simple has to be made into such a crappy
> "feature".  Yeah I know quote some absurd SUGGESTED OPTIONAL compliance
> standard to me.  It does not change the fact that what I am saying is
> right.

    Hey, no one is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to use Mailman.  Stop barking up the tree and go find a fire hydrant.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Apr  8 03:39:23 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:39:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck 
In-Reply-To: <8964.1018225842@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <B8D642DB.2461C%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 4/7/02 5:30 PM, "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:

> Have you considered that perhaps Mailman is just not for you?

Nope. Not relevant. Don't inject facts into a rant.


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From chris at yonderway.com  Mon Apr  8 04:23:17 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: 07 Apr 2002 22:23:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <20020407062456.36708.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020407062456.36708.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1018232598.25283.47.camel@crab>

On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 01:24, David wrote:
>      The debate goes on I know, but here is exactly why these excessive
> headers suck.  I want to set up a news list not a discussion list.  
[lots of whining deleted]

Maybe you selected the wrong tool for the job?

MySQL, Postfix, Apache and a tiny bit of PHP scripting is probably all
that you really need.

In the meantime I'm very happy for the headers.

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From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Mon Apr  8 04:26:02 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:26:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: smtp connections refused
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020407222538.033d0400@mail.ulmschneiders.com>

>anyone know why I would be getting the following error in 
>/home/mailman/logs/smtp ?
>
>Apr 07 13:23:01 2002 (16533) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection 
>refused')
>Apr 07 13:23:01 2002 (16533) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.024 seconds
>
>Everything else seems to function OK up until I created the test list. I 
>never receive the confirm email telling
>how to access the list and I believe this error is why.
>
>Thanks
>
>Dene





From kri at toxeleia.cftri.org  Mon Apr  8 05:31:37 2002
From: kri at toxeleia.cftri.org (Krishna Rao SN)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:01:37 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Operating system error
Message-ID: <200204080331.JAA18275@toxeleia.cftri.org>

Hi Lists,
 
Installed mailman on RH Linux 6.2 with apache & sendmail
 
Installation was successful without any errors.
 
Created a test list with users.
Now If I post a message to the list as auser, my message is delivered to the list server.
 
On the server if I type mailq command, the following error message shows:
 
# mailq
                Mail Queue (1 request)
--Q-ID-- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------
UAA15668      151 Sun Apr  7 20:02 <kri at mylibnet.org>
                 (Operating system error)
                                   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post toxeleia-he lp
 
Please advice
--krishna 




From giri at ipgen-india.com  Mon Apr  8 09:29:16 2002
From: giri at ipgen-india.com (giri)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:59:16 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <EOEGKPFCBAAEKIPHCOPJKEJNCCAA.giri@ipgen-india.com>

I have downloaded source code for sip1.2.1 for windows.
When i try to compile it gives problem.
Like NMAKE : spstack.mak not found.

Can you please help me out, how shall i proceed.

Regards,
giri.

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From pawal at blipp.com  Mon Apr  8 13:10:54 2002
From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:10:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more archiving troubles
Message-ID: <20020408111054.GG14314@vic20.blipp.com>

I have moved a couple of lists previously hosted on a mailman built
from source installed in /usr/local/mailman, to a new host with a
Debian installed mailman. The lists works fine, but there are problems
with the storage of the list archives. The lists still stores their
mbox files in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/lists.mbox, instead
of the new place. This has to be in the configuration somewhere, how
do I change it?

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From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Mon Apr  8 14:20:22 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:20:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow sendmail
Message-ID: <200204081420.22662.r2d2@yebo.co.za>

Hi

At the moment I have my sendmail set up to relay via another smtp server. It 
all works fine but I would like the mail to be sent directly from the machine 
and not relay.

The problem I'm having is that when mail is received for a list the machine 
locks up my ssh connection. I can't even telnet to port 25 or ping the box. 
However after about 5 minutes the machine is available again and the mail has 
been sent.

This sounds like a DNS problem to me, but I'm not sure where to look. The 
resolv.conf file is correct and DNS lookups from the machine work fine. NIS 
was running on the machine before the mailman installation but I've stopped 
the rpc service and it still hangs.

Any ideas?

-- 
l8r 
./JvdW 

"Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. "
 





From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Mon Apr  8 15:30:43 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:30:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "True" virtual domains [netaktiv.com #99]
Message-ID: <20020408133043.GA7522@staff.netaktiv.com>

We are an ISP and we have several clients requesting a mailing
list. Often, the names collide. No problems with email addresses, we
know how to configure Postfix to have info at company.com and
info at npo.org point to different mailboxes.

But I cannot do the same with Mailman. Mailing lists are apparently
unique, whatever the domain is. So, I must create info-company and
info-npo and set a different host_name for each list. Not a big deal
except that this name appears in messages sent and
info-company at company.com is not really elegant.

I tried changing real_name. As its documentation said, it is
discouraged and, indeed, it does not work (the original name still
appears in messages).




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Apr  8 15:47:52 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:47:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HT:Dig + v2.1
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020404104005.00a85230@mail.nethawk.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020408142429.02eb5fb8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:44 04/04/2002 -0500, Tim Miller wrote:
>Will HT:Dig work with v2.1 and the existing patches released for v2.06?

If you check out:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

you will find that I have posted versions of my Mailman-htdig patches for 
version 2.1. However, changes of the CVS code mean that the patches are 
trying to hit a moving target and I cannot say that they will apply without 
complaint to whatever you extract from the Mailman CVS today. You may have 
to hand fettle the patching if the CVS has moved to a state where the patch 
utility cannot do it alone. When MM 2.1 goes stable I'll post a version of 
the patches to fit.

Unless you really need to use MM 2.1 and are prepared to run beta code I'd 
suggest you stick to 2.0.8. If you decide to go ahead with 2.1 but have 
trouble with the patches let me know and I'll try to find time to rework 
them for the _current_ CVS state.

>We are wanting to use HT:Dig with v2.0.8 but I'm not interested in 
>spending a bunch of time getting it to work and then find that we will have

There are already versions of the patch files that will apply cleanly to 
vanilla MM 2.0.8 posted on sourceforge. All this is in the notes posted 
there for the patches. But to be clear, you need:

1. from patch 444879 the file indexing-2.0.6.patch (this didn't need to 
change from 2.0.6 thru 2.0.7 to 2.0.8)

2. from patch 444884 the file htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch

You shouldn't find it too much of a problem getting the MM 2.0.8 working 
with the MM-htdig integration. See the comments and file names on sourceforge.

>problems updating to 2.1 or will have to go through the whole process again.
>
>Tim





From jebva at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  8 18:35:22 2002
From: jebva at yahoo.com (David)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:35:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <3CB0E797.B69F6399@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20020408163522.52329.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> David wrote:
> 
> > Why the folks who designed this
> > are on such a power trip over something that damn near renders
> their
> > product useless is beyond me.
> >      I have tried the edits I have been given to nuke these absurd
> > headers but so far none of them work.  It would be of great benefit
> if
> > the whole thing was just taken OUT of he code altogether and let
> the
> > list managers set up message fronters/footers with what they want. 
> I
> > fail to see why something so simple has to be made into such a
> crappy
> > "feature".  Yeah I know quote some absurd SUGGESTED OPTIONAL
> compliance
> > standard to me.  It does not change the fact that what I am saying
> is
> > right.
> 
>     Hey, no one is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to use
> Mailman.  Stop barking up the tree and go find a fire hydrant.
> 

Actually itis the only product that my host offers for mailing lists. 
It is a damn good program in all respects other than the programmers
decision to force this on us and wrongfully cite it as following the
standards.  The standards make it optional not forced.  Hell I like
Mailman but just wisk they would change that and stop telling us things
that are not true when we ask how to make it work the way we want.



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From jebva at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  8 18:38:23 2002
From: jebva at yahoo.com (David)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <1018232598.25283.47.camel@crab>
Message-ID: <20020408163823.97202.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Chris Hedemark <chris at yonderway.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 01:24, David wrote:
> >      The debate goes on I know, but here is exactly why these
> excessive
> > headers suck.  I want to set up a news list not a discussion list. 
> 
> [lots of whining deleted]
> 
> Maybe you selected the wrong tool for the job?
> 
> MySQL, Postfix, Apache and a tiny bit of PHP scripting is probably
> all
> that you really need.
> 
> In the meantime I'm very happy for the headers.

It is great that you like the headers.  You should be able to use them
if you want to.  I have no issue with that at all.  If I were running a
pure discussion list I may well opt for one as well.  The program is
damn fine and open source kicks butt.  Kudos for those who wrote it
spending all the time they did.  I just think that the way they say
that leaving the headers in is following standards and that there is no
option to remove them is absurd especially when that is not wht he
standards say.




> 
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From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Apr  8 18:59:51 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:59:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <20020407062456.36708.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>; from jebva@yahoo.com on Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:24:56PM -0800
References: <20020407062456.36708.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020408115951.B15971@sherohman.org>

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:24:56PM -0800, David wrote:
>      The debate goes on I know, but here is exactly why these excessive
> headers suck.  I want to set up a news list not a discussion list.  The
> only person who will be able to post is the list owner.  I don't need
> all the junk about how to post to the list on top of each mail since it
> is WRONG for the setup in question.

Taken from your message's headers:

List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
        <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
        <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

OK, I'll give you that List-Post: isn't applicable to your list.  I'd
even go so far as to suggest that it should be suppressed by default
on any list which does not allow normal list members to post.

And I guess it might be a little silly to include subscription
instructions (the List-Subscribe: header) on messages that only get
sent to people who are already subscribed to the list.

List-Archive:, like List-Post:, seems like Mailman could determine
its applicability programmatically and disable it where it doesn't
apply (i.e., for non-archived lists).  This may already be done, but
I wouldn't know since I don't run any non-archived lists.

But List-Help:, List-Id:, and List-Unsubscribe: all seem like they
would be applicable to your list.

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss




From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Mon Apr  8 19:19:40 2002
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:19:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htDig patch & Mailman 2.0.9
In-Reply-To: <15532.47032.741659.783660@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <15532.47032.741659.783660@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <15537.53548.197135.171531@daimi.au.dk>


Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

 > I recommend anybody running any version of
 > Mailman 2.0.x to upgrade to 2.0.9, the latest stable release.  

The htdig patch by Richard Barrett is not compatible with the new 
version of Mailman. Are there plans for a new revision of this patch?

I enclose the output from applying the patch in Mailman 2.0.9.

Best
Kaja

~/sources/mailman-2.0.9> patch --dry-run -p1 < htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch
patching file INSTALL
patching file INSTALL.htdig-mm
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
Hunk #1 FAILED at 39.
Hunk #2 succeeded at 515 (offset -10 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 558 (offset -3 lines).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 682 (offset -10 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 708 (offset -3 lines).
Hunk #6 FAILED at 763.
Hunk #7 succeeded at 762 (offset -17 lines).
Hunk #8 succeeded at 802 (offset -3 lines).
2 out of 8 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.rej
patching file Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py
patching file Mailman/Cgi/updateTOC.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
Hunk #1 FAILED at 552.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Defaults.py.in.rej
patching file Makefile.in
patching file bin/Makefile.in
patching file bin/blow_away_htdig
patching file cron/Makefile.in
patching file cron/crontab.in.in
patching file cron/nightly_htdig
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig.pl
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig_noshare
patching file src/Makefile.in




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Apr  8 19:21:34 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:21:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <20020408115951.B15971@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <B8D71FAE.248FB%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 4/8/02 9:59 AM, "Dave Sherohman" <esper at sherohman.org> wrote:

> OK, I'll give you that List-Post: isn't applicable to your list.

And I believe in 2.1, mailman won't include headers that aren't relevant to
a list, so an announce-only list won't get list-post. Barry? Is that true? I
know we talked about it.

> And I guess it might be a little silly to include subscription
> instructions (the List-Subscribe: header) on messages that only get
> sent to people who are already subscribed to the list.

Not at all. Messages get forwarded around A LOT. So the list-subscribe is
there so that the person who gets the message from a friend of a friend who
saw it on a mail list has a chance of figuring out how to get onto the list.

> List-Archive:, like List-Post:, seems like Mailman could determine

Again, I think that's a 2.1 thing.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

IMHO: Jargon. Acronym for In My Humble Opinion. Used to flag as an opinion
something that is clearly from context an opinion to everyone except the
mentally dense. Opinions flagged by IMHO are actually rarely humble. IMHO.
    (source: third unabridged dictionary of chuqui-isms).





From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr  8 19:52:38 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:52:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck 
In-Reply-To: Message from David <jebva@yahoo.com> 
   of "Mon, 08 Apr 2002 09:38:23 PDT." <20020408163823.97202.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20020408163823.97202.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <19552.1018288358@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:38:23 -0700 (PDT) 
jebva  <David> wrote:

> I just think that the way they say that leaving the headers in is
> following standards and that there is no option to remove them is
> absurd especially when that is not wht he standards say.

RFC2369 states that they are optional.

Standards language is quite precise, and the definitional of "optional"
is equally precise.

Specifically in this case it means that mail systems are not mandated to
support the headers, that mail systems may choose to support or not to
support the headers while remaining conformant -- but what the standard
doesn't say is that a product must present the choice to support (or
not) RFC2369 headers externally.  

Mailman chooses to implement the RFC2369 headers and in doing so it is
conformant with RFC2369.

Mailman chooses to not allow a (simple) way for the RFC2369 headers to
be disabled.  In doing so it remains conformant.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Apr  8 19:53:55 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:53:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.9 compatible Mailman/htdig integration patches
 posted
In-Reply-To: <15537.53548.197135.171531@daimi.au.dk>
References: <15532.47032.741659.783660@anthem.wooz.org>
 <15532.47032.741659.783660@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020408184715.030a2288@pop.ftel.co.uk>

I have just posted on soruceforge revised versions of both patches needed 
for the Mailman htdig integration.

You will need to apply the following files in the order they are listed to 
the vanilla 2.0.9 build directory:

1. from 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 
file indexing-2.0.9-0.1.patch

2. from 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 
file htdig-2.0.9-0.1.patch

Any problems with these then let me know







From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Apr  8 19:56:46 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:56:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htDig patch & Mailman 2.0.9
In-Reply-To: <15537.53548.197135.171531@daimi.au.dk>
References: <15532.47032.741659.783660@anthem.wooz.org>
 <15532.47032.741659.783660@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020408185411.030aaab0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 19:19 08/04/2002 +0200, Kaja P. Christiansen wrote:


>Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>
>  > I recommend anybody running any version of
>  > Mailman 2.0.x to upgrade to 2.0.9, the latest stable release.
>
>The htdig patch by Richard Barrett is not compatible with the new
>version of Mailman. Are there plans for a new revision of this patch?
>
>I enclose the output from applying the patch in Mailman 2.0.9.

I have just posted to this list a notification of the availability of 
revised, MM 2.0.9 compatible patches on sourceforge.

You will need to apply the following files in the order they are listed to 
the vanilla 2.0.9 build directory:

1. from 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 
file indexing-2.0.9-0.1.patch

2. from 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 
file htdig-2.0.9-0.1.patch

Any problems with these then let me know

>Best
>Kaja
>
>~/sources/mailman-2.0.9> patch --dry-run -p1 < htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch
>patching file INSTALL
>patching file INSTALL.htdig-mm
>patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
>Hunk #1 FAILED at 39.
>Hunk #2 succeeded at 515 (offset -10 lines).
>Hunk #3 succeeded at 558 (offset -3 lines).
>Hunk #4 succeeded at 682 (offset -10 lines).
>Hunk #5 succeeded at 708 (offset -3 lines).
>Hunk #6 FAILED at 763.
>Hunk #7 succeeded at 762 (offset -17 lines).
>Hunk #8 succeeded at 802 (offset -3 lines).
>2 out of 8 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file 
>Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.rej
>patching file Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py
>patching file Mailman/Cgi/updateTOC.py
>patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
>Hunk #1 FAILED at 552.
>1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Defaults.py.in.rej
>patching file Makefile.in
>patching file bin/Makefile.in
>patching file bin/blow_away_htdig
>patching file cron/Makefile.in
>patching file cron/crontab.in.in
>patching file cron/nightly_htdig
>patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig
>patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig.pl
>patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig_noshare
>patching file src/Makefile.in





From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Mon Apr  8 19:57:44 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:57:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] selective moderated list
References: <200204020819.g328JtM05432@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <007201c1df27$c82f5bb0$0200a8c0@BABA>

This can be done in the privacy options in your mailing list administration
page.

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine

----- Original Message -----
From: "viswanathan" <ajithvisu at indiainfo.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] selective moderated list


> hi all
>
> I want to know whether the following is possible with mailman.
>
> I run a mailserver for the domain xyz.com and i have created a list called
> everyone at xyz.com.
>
> All the members who have an email id <at>xyz.com is a member of the list.
>
> Now i want only a selected list of people to send messages to this list.
> And for the remaining people it should bounce saying "you are not allowed to
> send mail to this id"
>
> Please help me.
>
> -viswanathan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From webmaster at emeraldshirts.com  Mon Apr  8 20:03:34 2002
From: webmaster at emeraldshirts.com (Baba)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:03:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman gone slow
Message-ID: <007301c1df27$c8a1f3a0$0200a8c0@BABA>

Hi,

My Mailman installation (v2.0.9) is taking a very long time to send out mails,
and on some lists doesn't appear to be sending out mail at all.

The problem started shortly after a big, but rarely used, 9300 member list was
added to Mailman.  The list admin writes:

===

i've been trying to post to the new mpac_1 all day but nothing.

basically i sent an email @ 11am this morning and resent it again at 3pm and it
STILL hasn't shown up on the moderate screen (now 11:30pm).

===

Previously, a couple of days back, the admin sent an e-mail to the list and it
took 12 hours to turn up on the moderate screen.

Any ideas on what could be causing the problem?

--
Baba the Cat
www.catbaba.com
PGP key at: www.ummah.com/pgpkeys
"I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is
infinitely superior." - Hippolyte Taine





From donna at v1.wustl.edu  Mon Apr  8 20:07:26 2002
From: donna at v1.wustl.edu (Donna Hanlon)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:07:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail suddenly stopped getting sent out ??
References: <E16tGlt-0000R0-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3CB1DC5E.BFEA3E26@v1.wustl.edu>

Sure sounds like your qrunner cron job isn't running.  What happens when
you execute this command logged in as mailman?

crontab -l | grep qrunner

You should get something like this:

* * * * * /usr/local/mailman/Python/bin/python -S
/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

If there is a job like that (not commented out), then make sure crond is
running:

ps -ef | grep cron

> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail suddenly stopped getting sent out ??
> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:47:44 +0200
> From: Chris Searle <chris at longship.org>
> To: mailman-users <mailman-users at python.org>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> OK. sendmail 8.11.6 on RedHat 7.0
> 
> Mailman - first 2.0.6 and now 2.0.9
> 
> Mailman configured with mail group as mail-gid and apache as cgi-gid.
> 
> 5 mailing lists - all going fine. Suddenly, mail doesn't get sent
> out. No error in the error log. Lots of happy success messages in the
> post log. Lots of files in the qfiles directory. Mail just sits there.
> 
> If I copy the qrunner line out of mailman users crontab and run it on
> the command line
> 
>     /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> 
> then all the mail goes out no question.
> 
> Disk space is OK.
> 
> I have no idea why this suddenly started - and I've upgraded from
> 2.0.6 to 2.0.9 and its not solved the problem.
> 
> I have no real idea how to track the problem down - anyone here can
> help?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --
> Chris Searle




From hartzell at kestrel.alerce.com  Mon Apr  8 22:10:32 2002
From: hartzell at kestrel.alerce.com (George Hartzell)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:10:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy options and a "personal" mailing list.
Message-ID: <15537.63800.33957.101259@rosebud.alerce.com>

I'm trying to do something that's a tad out of the ordinary and am
having trouble getting my ducks in a row.

I subscribe to a number of fairly verbose mailing lists and prefer to
receive them as digests since my mail client (vm inside xemacs) has
great tools for bursting digests and letting me zoom through the
messages.

Sadly, most of the sites that host mailing lists have created their
own bizarre, bastardized formats.  I'm really tired of trying to
extend vm's digest burster and/or read them by "hand".

So, I decided to set up my own mailman mailing list, forward the
messages there, subscribe myself to it, and let it digestify them for
me (hurray for mailman's mime digests!).

The problem is that mailman keeps holding the messages for admin
approval, either because the people posting aren't on the list (easy
fix, allow anyone to post) or because
 
  "Blind carbon copies or other implicit destinations are not allowed..."

I've tried adding a variety of permutations of the address that the
list uses in it's "To:" header, including:

  DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint.*
  DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
  DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint at yahoogroups.com

to the alias names field on the privacy page, but messages still get
help for my review.

I'm confused about what should go in the aliases field, values from
the message header or the envelope?  If it's the header, then why
don't any of the lines above match?

Any other thoughts?

g.





From rob at stupidguytalk.org  Mon Apr  8 22:18:16 2002
From: rob at stupidguytalk.org (Rob)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:18:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailma  queueing messages ?
References: <15537.63800.33957.101259@rosebud.alerce.com>
Message-ID: <0e0501c1df3a$8491cf10$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>

Hello mailman seems to be queuing messages in ~mailman/qfiles

I just set it up and I have only one test list named "it" I added 2 members
and both have send right away not in digest mode or so I think I see......

so when I send a message to the address it ends up in the dir .... why? how
can I force it to go and why would it be put there in the first place??

Thanks

Rob Morin(Mr.Legacy)
System Administrator
inter.net/TotalNet
Montreal, Canada


----- Original Message -----
From: "George Hartzell" <hartzell at kestrel.alerce.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:10 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy options and a "personal" mailing list.


>
> I'm trying to do something that's a tad out of the ordinary and am
> having trouble getting my ducks in a row.
>
> I subscribe to a number of fairly verbose mailing lists and prefer to
> receive them as digests since my mail client (vm inside xemacs) has
> great tools for bursting digests and letting me zoom through the
> messages.
>
> Sadly, most of the sites that host mailing lists have created their
> own bizarre, bastardized formats.  I'm really tired of trying to
> extend vm's digest burster and/or read them by "hand".
>
> So, I decided to set up my own mailman mailing list, forward the
> messages there, subscribe myself to it, and let it digestify them for
> me (hurray for mailman's mime digests!).
>
> The problem is that mailman keeps holding the messages for admin
> approval, either because the people posting aren't on the list (easy
> fix, allow anyone to post) or because
>
>   "Blind carbon copies or other implicit destinations are not allowed..."
>
> I've tried adding a variety of permutations of the address that the
> list uses in it's "To:" header, including:
>
>   DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint.*
>   DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>   DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint at yahoogroups.com
>
> to the alias names field on the privacy page, but messages still get
> help for my review.
>
> I'm confused about what should go in the aliases field, values from
> the message header or the envelope?  If it's the header, then why
> don't any of the lines above match?
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
> g.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Apr  8 22:37:27 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:37:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailma  queueing messages ?
In-Reply-To: <0e0501c1df3a$8491cf10$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>
References: <15537.63800.33957.101259@rosebud.alerce.com> <0e0501c1df3a$8491cf10$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>
Message-ID: <20020408203727.GW27878@hq.newdream.net>

Rob wrote:

> Hello mailman seems to be queuing messages in ~mailman/qfiles

please start a new thread when posting a new message, rather than
replying to an existing subject and changing the subject line.

it's not the same thing....

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From jonc at haht.com  Mon Apr  8 22:57:32 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:57:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "True" virtual domains [netaktiv.com #99]
References: <20020408133043.GA7522@staff.netaktiv.com>
Message-ID: <032f01c1df40$0096fa40$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Using Mailman with virtual domains.

 - Create the list using the unique local name
 - Setup the virtual name and point it to the unique local name (for email
and for web)
 - Web admin to list and under General Options set
      "Host name this list prefers" to the virtual host name
      "Base URL for Mailman ..." to the virtual hosting site ***
 - Web admin, Privacy Options, set
      "Alias names (regexps).." list to include both the real and the
virtual name of the list
 - Web admin, Regular/Digest member options
      "Footer added..." manually put in the information you want to show up

*** This step could really hose you.  Make sure that your virtual web site
works or you will loose the ability to access the list config.  If that
happens, go into ~mailman/lists/<listname>/.. and copy "config.db.last" over
the current "config.db".  You will loose all recent changes, but you will
once more be able to access the config of the list.

This should let you setup multiple virtual lists with the same primary name:
  info at backrub.org
  info at ralphismyfriend.edu

The mail for each list will come into your virtual-users tables and be
replaced by the unique local name:
  info-backrub at hostdomain.com
  info-ralphismyfriend-edu at hostdomain.com

>From there they will go to the created mailman lists.  They will be accepted
as valid for the lists (since the lists have that name as well as the
virtual defined as being acceptable).  They will be sent out from Mailman
using the "Host name this list prefers" which is the virtual name.  (note,
your server has to be setup to relay for the virtual domain!).

Really the only tricky parts are the web redirects.

Any critiques or additions are welcome.  Good Luck!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "True" virtual domains [netaktiv.com #99]


> We are an ISP and we have several clients requesting a mailing
> list. Often, the names collide. No problems with email addresses, we
> know how to configure Postfix to have info at company.com and
> info at npo.org point to different mailboxes.
>
> But I cannot do the same with Mailman. Mailing lists are apparently
> unique, whatever the domain is. So, I must create info-company and
> info-npo and set a different host_name for each list. Not a big deal
> except that this name appears in messages sent and
> info-company at company.com is not really elegant.
>
> I tried changing real_name. As its documentation said, it is
> discouraged and, indeed, it does not work (the original name still
> appears in messages).
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From rsterzing at quicklogix.com  Mon Apr  8 23:00:55 2002
From: rsterzing at quicklogix.com (Robert Sterzing)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:00:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ^^Announcment list only and real mail address in the To: field
Message-ID: <OJELJBCJJJJPCFIAJNLDIEEOCDAA.rsterzing@quicklogix.com>

Howdy,

I'm proud to run mailman 2.0.7 on our FreeBSD system. I try to figure out
how to do a announcment list - only. Should I just reject member mails as
the list admin and pretend to be a announcment list? That would be to easy
for me. Any other solution for this tiny problem.

Another problem I'm facing is that I want to put the real email address of
the list member in the To: field of the header. Didn't find a hint for that.
Still get <list-name>@whatever.com. Some list members think that's not very
personal. Well, that's what they think.

Any hints, advises, roumors, jokes. I would appreciate your help.

Robert
SysAd






From carmine at psaworld.com  Sun Apr  7 06:34:16 2002
From: carmine at psaworld.com (carmine at psaworld.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 23:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <002301c1dded$7b827760$6501a8c0@Carmine>

When member_posting_only  is set to yes, is there a setting to DUMP
un-authorized email rather than send it to list admin for review?

Carmine D'Alessandro
carmine at psaworld.com





From Naresh.Sikha at schwab.com  Sun Apr  7 06:50:59 2002
From: Naresh.Sikha at schwab.com (Sikha, Naresh)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:50:59 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply-to header is getting filtered
Message-ID: <5AB8220CC1E6D4118E840002A52CD9D209443A8F@N1025SMX>

Hello,

I have sucessfully set up mailman, but when I try to "reply to all" the
address for the list is not the address for the list.

Here is an example:

List address: gen-dev at w0600dev.dev.schwab.com

But when I reply to all, the address in the email to header is:
gen-dev at Schwab.COM.

My email client is MS Outlook which means that it is first going to an MS
Exchange server. I was wondering, if that had anything to do with it.

Thanks for your help.

-Naresh

Naresh Sikha
Senior Staff, Technology Solutions
Charles Schwab & Co., Inc.
215 Fremont Street / SF215FMT-06-274
San Francisco, CA 94105-2306
W: 415-667-8071
C: 415-235-1342
E: naresh.sikha at schwab.com
WARNING: All email sent to this address will be received by the Charles
Schwab & Co., Inc. corporate email system and is subject to archival and
review by someone other than the recipient.






From bill at rfa.org  Sun Apr  7 17:43:49 2002
From: bill at rfa.org (Bill Eldridge)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:43:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why I want read-only lists
Message-ID: <3CB06935.8030706@rfa.org>

FYI.

Somewhere someone notes, "I don't understand why
someone would want read-only access to a list - why
not open it to everyone"?

A good example is a newsfeed - while some of my
users are authorized to receive AP or Reuters newsfeeds,
none are authorized to post to it. If I have a newsfeed
internal to my organization, some superusers will be
authorized to post to it [APPROVED 100% RFA NEWS STORY],
while most will not.

Having this feature, I can replace pretty expensive
queued news systems with just Mailman.
-- 
--
Bill Eldridge
Radio Free Asia
bill at rfa.org






From ksjones at zoominternet.net  Sun Apr  7 17:47:27 2002
From: ksjones at zoominternet.net (ksjones)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:47:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <004801c1de4b$84b5b960$c5689a18@zoominternet.net>

Is there any way with mailman to get a list of all the subscribed email addresses in text form instead of just the web admin pages.  It is easier to review the list when I can have a couple of people look at the list and confirm the addresses.

Thanks much
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From pat at athb52tcy223e.bc.hsia.telus.net  Sun Apr  7 19:04:29 2002
From: pat at athb52tcy223e.bc.hsia.telus.net (pat taylor)
Date: 07 Apr 2002 10:04:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese mailman
Message-ID: <1018199070.31925.2.camel@athb52tcy223e.bc.hsia.telus.net>

Is there a japanese interface to Mailman kicking around somewhere,I'm
not Japanese but a prospective client is and would like to have a
Japanese interface Thanks Pat Taylor







From halwyn at bigpond.net.au  Mon Apr  8 03:47:33 2002
From: halwyn at bigpond.net.au (Eliza and Zoe)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:47:33 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help :)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408114614.02ddc710@144.135.24.13>

Silly me.  I subscribed someone to my list and made an error in their 
email.  This means that there is an address on the list that doesn't work, 
and we can't remove it because the password went who knows where.

Is there a way out of this?  Can I, as list owner, remove this erroneous 
email address from the list somehow?

Thank you for your help.

Elizabeth Leahy





From info at meesagh.net  Mon Apr  8 09:40:16 2002
From: info at meesagh.net (Meesagh Cultural Center)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:10:16 +0430
Subject: [Mailman-Users] request&questions
Message-ID: <002b01c1ded0$a4634ea0$0c01a8c0@meshkatopky8y9>

hi dears
i have some question:
i use ur mailman from my hosting www.123ehost.com my site is www.meesagh.net i want a part in my index for mailing list i want to subsribe my visitors site and then i want to send them emails but i dont like they see other subscribers and i need a small part in index to they type their emails and just press a key to subscribe and press a link to unsubscribe
pls help me ASP
thanks and best regards
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From matthew at sai.co.za  Mon Apr  8 14:21:34 2002
From: matthew at sai.co.za (Matthew Erasmus)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:21:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slight Problem
Message-ID: <008101c1def7$ece05de0$112821c4@dilbert>

I have a slight problem and have been looking for an answer but can't seem to find anything.

I am using mailman 2.0.8 ,sendmail and python 2.0.1 but with all of our lists we are not getting any footers or headers appended to our outgoing mail. This is becoming quite frustrating as I can't find a solution.

Do you have any ideas ?

Kind Regards

Matthew Erasmus
Systems Administrator SA Internet

+27 033 345 6777
+27 083 267 7424

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From HugAPanda at aol.com  Mon Apr  8 15:17:45 2002
From: HugAPanda at aol.com (HugAPanda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:17:45 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help?
Message-ID: <135.c5a2afb.29e2f279@aol.com>

I have recently moved a list I host from Yahoo to my site. It is a high 
volume mail list (we are expecting a total of about 200 people to switch 
over). 
The biggest complaint is about the headers and footers on digest and the 
archives. Is there anyway to clean those up??

Also, is there a way to delete past posts out of the archive when they become 
outdated??
Thank you
Lisa
planetmurph.com



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From colleen.foster at providentbank.com  Mon Apr  8 19:44:41 2002
From: colleen.foster at providentbank.com (Colleen Foster)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:44:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] piper mail
Message-ID: <scb19ed7.001@providentbank.com>

Does any one use piper mail?  Looking for a person using piper mail??? 
Is there a directory?




From william at hq.newdream.net  Mon Apr  8 22:37:09 2002
From: william at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailma  queueing messages ?
In-Reply-To: <0e0501c1df3a$8491cf10$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>
References: <15537.63800.33957.101259@rosebud.alerce.com> <0e0501c1df3a$8491cf10$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>
Message-ID: <20020408203709.GV27878@hq.newdream.net>

Rob wrote:

> Hello mailman seems to be queuing messages in ~mailman/qfiles

please start a new thread when posting a new message, rather than
replying to an existing subject and changing the subject line.

it's not the same thing....

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From jonc at haht.com  Mon Apr  8 23:20:41 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:20:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help :)
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408114614.02ddc710@144.135.24.13>
Message-ID: <039a01c1df43$3c900980$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Go to the webadmin and under Membership Options find the offending email and
remove any check marks, then click on the "commit" button on the bottom of
the page.

Done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eliza and Zoe" <halwyn at bigpond.net.au>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help :)


> Silly me.  I subscribed someone to my list and made an error in their
> email.  This means that there is an address on the list that doesn't work,
> and we can't remove it because the password went who knows where.
>
> Is there a way out of this?  Can I, as list owner, remove this erroneous
> email address from the list somehow?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Elizabeth Leahy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonas at freesources.org  Mon Apr  8 23:21:48 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:21:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why I want read-only lists
In-Reply-To: <3CB06935.8030706@rfa.org>
References: <3CB06935.8030706@rfa.org>
Message-ID: <20020408212148.GA5748@jonas.server0.de>

On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:43:49PM +0200, Bill Eldridge wrote:
> Somewhere someone notes, "I don't understand why
> someone would want read-only access to a list - why
> not open it to everyone"?
> 
> A good example is a newsfeed - while some of my
> [ ...]

I think there are many examples:
A cvs-logging list, a BTS list (for debbugs), a newsletter,
an announce list etc.

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue...




From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Apr  8 23:23:26 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:23:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy options and a "personal" mailing list.
In-Reply-To: <15537.63800.33957.101259@rosebud.alerce.com>; from hartzell@kestrel.alerce.com on Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:10:32PM -0700
References: <15537.63800.33957.101259@rosebud.alerce.com>
Message-ID: <20020408162326.D15971@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:10:32PM -0700, George Hartzell wrote:
> So, I decided to set up my own mailman mailing list, forward the
> messages there, subscribe myself to it, and let it digestify them for
> me (hurray for mailman's mime digests!).

Nice hack...  Almost makes me sorry I don't do digests, so I can't
use it myself.

> The problem is that mailman keeps holding the messages for admin
> approval, either because the people posting aren't on the list (easy
> fix, allow anyone to post) or because
>  
>   "Blind carbon copies or other implicit destinations are not allowed..."

Similarly easy fix:  Turn off "Must posts have list named in
destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names,
specified below)?"

> I'm confused about what should go in the aliases field, values from
> the message header or the envelope?

The header.

> If it's the header, then why
> don't any of the lines above match?

Have you been trying your address as an alias or the address of the
original mailing list that the message is coming from?  From your
examples, I'd guess you're using the original list's address, but I
would expect that you need to use your own.  Either way, if you've
only tried one, see if the other works.  (And if that doesn't do it,
cut'n'paste the text from the held message's To: header into the list
of acceptable aliases.)

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Apr  8 23:23:15 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:23:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese mailman
References: <1018199070.31925.2.camel@athb52tcy223e.bc.hsia.telus.net>
Message-ID: <03a201c1df43$9846e370$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Mailman has many language interfaces and Japanese is certainly one of them.
If no one on this list can point you to a Japanese version, you should ask
on the international mailman list (instead of this one).
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat taylor" <pat at athb52tcy223e.bc.hsia.telus.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] japanese mailman


> Is there a japanese interface to Mailman kicking around somewhere,I'm
> not Japanese but a prospective client is and would like to have a
> Japanese interface Thanks Pat Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at haht.com  Mon Apr  8 23:25:43 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:25:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
References: <004801c1de4b$84b5b960$c5689a18@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <03ad01c1df43$f0cf39c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

use the Command Line Interface.  Telnet or SSH into your server and move to
the mailman install.  Look in the ~mailman/bin/... directory for commands
which allow you to export and import users via text.

~mailman/bin/list_members <listname>

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: ksjones
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 11:47 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


  Is there any way with mailman to get a list of all the subscribed email
addresses in text form instead of just the web admin pages.  It is easier to
review the list when I can have a couple of people look at the list and
confirm the addresses.

  Thanks much
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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Apr  8 23:28:38 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:28:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why I want read-only lists
References: <3CB06935.8030706@rfa.org>
Message-ID: <03b501c1df44$58ca55f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Mailman allows you to do just that.  You can setup the list so that only a
certain person (or group of persons) can post to the list.  You can also
make it so that all posts are moderated and then only allow the posts you
want.

There are also some easy tweaks to auto-manage the throwing away of
moderated messages.  Look in the FAQ (link is at the bottom of this
message).

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Eldridge" <bill at rfa.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why I want read-only lists


>
> FYI.
>
> Somewhere someone notes, "I don't understand why
> someone would want read-only access to a list - why
> not open it to everyone"?
>
> A good example is a newsfeed - while some of my
> users are authorized to receive AP or Reuters newsfeeds,
> none are authorized to post to it. If I have a newsfeed
> internal to my organization, some superusers will be
> authorized to post to it [APPROVED 100% RFA NEWS STORY],
> while most will not.
>
> Having this feature, I can replace pretty expensive
> queued news systems with just Mailman.
> --
> --
> Bill Eldridge
> Radio Free Asia
> bill at rfa.org
>






From jonc at haht.com  Mon Apr  8 23:29:57 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
References: <002301c1dded$7b827760$6501a8c0@Carmine>
Message-ID: <03bd01c1df44$883a0b00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

There is a work-around for doing just that.  Look in the FAQ (bottom of the
message).
----- Original Message -----
From: <carmine at psaworld.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 12:34 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman


> When member_posting_only  is set to yes, is there a setting to DUMP
> un-authorized email rather than send it to list admin for review?
>
> Carmine D'Alessandro
> carmine at psaworld.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Mon Apr  8 23:37:56 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:37:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Member listing
In-Reply-To: <004801c1de4b$84b5b960$c5689a18@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163520.028fdcd0@paulsfunhouse.com>

*** I added a subject line...which is a really nice thing for YOU to do so 
that people can follow the thread!

Very easily

Send a message to:

[listname]-request at domain.com with a subject line of "who" (no quotes)

Change [listname] to the name of your list and change the domain name also!

This only works if you have the membership viewable by all...but what I do 
is make the switch...send the message and then switch it back really quickly!

Paul

At 10:47 AM 07/04/02, ksjones wrote:
>Is there any way with mailman to get a list of all the subscribed email 
>addresses in text form instead of just the web admin pages.  It is easier 
>to review the list when I can have a couple of people look at the list and 
>confirm the addresses.
>
>Thanks much
         





From goebel at emunix.emich.edu  Mon Apr  8 23:40:06 2002
From: goebel at emunix.emich.edu (Matt Goebel)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 17:40:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate digests being sent out sometimes?
Message-ID: <200204082140.g38Le6w00876@emunix.emich.edu>

Hello,

  We are currently running mailman v2.0.9 on Compaq Tru64 v5.1 with 
sendmail 8.11.6.  Sometimes, not all the time, or to the same users, 
duplicate digests are sent out to subscribers.  I have verified in the
system logs that the machine is indeed sending duplicates, but I'm not
sure if it is mailman or sendmail.

  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Mattias

-- 
Matthew Goebel : goebel at emunix.emich.edu : Unix Jockey @ EMU : Hail Eris
Neo-Student, Net Lurker, Donut consumer, and procrastinating Furry Fan.
 "Always with the negative waves, Moriarty" - Oddball
 "Comfort the troubled, and trouble the comfortable." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer




From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Mon Apr  8 23:40:57 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Subscribers (was: Help :)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408114614.02ddc710@144.135.24.13>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163900.028dcec0@paulsfunhouse.com>

Log into your list....choose "Membership Management" ... find the email 
address that you wish to remove and UNcheck the box under the "Subscr" 
heading...then choose "Submit your changes" at the bottom of the screen.

Paul

At 08:47 PM 07/04/02, Eliza and Zoe wrote:
>Silly me.  I subscribed someone to my list and made an error in their 
>email.  This means that there is an address on the list that doesn't work, 
>and we can't remove it because the password went who knows where.
>
>Is there a way out of this?  Can I, as list owner, remove this erroneous 
>email address from the list somehow?
>
>Thank you for your help.
>
>Elizabeth Leahy





From allenday at 1-up.net  Tue Apr  9 00:15:51 2002
From: allenday at 1-up.net (Allen Day)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping HTML in pipermail
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163900.028dcec0@paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204081513180.28527-100000@kermit.1-up.net>

I asked about this a while ago, and never received a response.  Here we go
again.

How can I prevent pipermail from escaping out the tags in HTML email?  I
want the archived messages to be in HTML form, as they were sent out.

Is this in an FAQ somewhere?

-Allen





From tneff at bigfoot.com  Tue Apr  9 00:12:28 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:12:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Removing those extra List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <E16ufeO-00017U-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16ufeO-00017U-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1030251125.1018289548@tom-9k5kaocfpin>

David <jebva at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually itis the only product that my host offers for mailing lists.
> It is a damn good program in all respects other than the programmers
> decision to force this on us and wrongfully cite it as following the
> standards.  The standards make it optional not forced.  Hell I like
> Mailman but just wisk they would change that and stop telling us things
> that are not true when we ask how to make it work the way we want.

Look, I completely agree with you about this major gotcha with Mailman, 
that its otherwise terrifically brilliant coders happen to have some 
ideological hobbyhorses they ride - there is no use arguing with them about 
it.

The good news is it's open source, so you can patch your installation as 
needed.  I was concerned to read you were unable to patch out the List-*: 
behavior.  What happened when you tried?

Here's a one-byte patch that does it.  Assuming you're running Mailman 
2.0.8/9, just edit the file

	$base/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

and look down at the bottom, where you see an area of code that looks like 
this:

    # First we delete any pre-existing headers because the RFC permist only
    # one copy of each, and we want to be sure it's ours.
    for h, v in headers.items():
        del msg[h]
        # Wrap these lines if they are too long.  78 character width 
probably
        # shouldn't be hardcoded.  The adding of 2 is for the colon-space
        # separator.
        if len(h) + 2 + len(v) > 78:
            v = string.join(string.split(v, ', '), ',\n\t')
        msg[h] = v

Just change that very last line quoted above to say

	#msg[h] = v

in other words, comment the line out.  Save that file, rerun Mailman and 
you should be all set.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Apr  9 03:19:46 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:19:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Removing those extra List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <1030251125.1018289548@tom-9k5kaocfpin>
References: <E16ufeO-00017U-00@mail.python.org>
 <1030251125.1018289548@tom-9k5kaocfpin>
Message-ID: <p05101504b8d7f0fe76e1@[207.149.192.229]>

At 18:12 -0400 4/8/2002, Tom Neff wrote:
>The good news is it's open source, so you can patch your installation as
>needed.  I was concerned to read you were unable to patch out the List-*:
>behavior.  What happened when you tried?

One can patch the installation, if one manages the Mailman installation and
has or develops the skills.

One can't, if one uses the Mailman installation managed as a service by
someone else.  Suitable bribes to that person might help, though.  I think
I remember the OP saying that he was in the using-a-service camp.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA




From techgrrl at beeze.com  Tue Apr  9 04:40:24 2002
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Spam @ Beeze)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:40:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topic Filters in 2.1b1
Message-ID: <02d301c1df6f$e69394c0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

First, I have to say that 2.1b1 is a beautiful thing! It does all things
I've always thought Mailman should. :)

I need help though. When subscribing new members to a list that uses topic
filters, I want the default to be that people receive only those messages
that have a topic and that they not receive the rest. Right now, the default
is that they not receive any of the topics and not receive any of the
non-topics, meaning they get nothing at all!

How do I do this??

-- Sarah
Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Apr  9 05:51:39 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:51:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Removing those extra List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <p05101504b8d7f0fe76e1@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <B8D7B35B.2574D%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 4/8/02 6:19 PM, "John W Baxter" <jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:


> One can't, if one uses the Mailman installation managed as a service by
> someone else.  Suitable bribes to that person might help, though.  I think
> I remember the OP saying that he was in the using-a-service camp.

Of course, maybe, just maybe, the people who spend their time designing,
building, maintaining and operating mailman and mailman-using systems know
something about this topic that people like OP don't.

Nah. He's right. Let's nuke the headers.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties
are largely ceremonial.





From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr  9 08:26:14 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 23:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping HTML in pipermail 
In-Reply-To: Message from Allen Day <allenday@1-up.net> 
   of "Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:15:51 PDT." <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204081513180.28527-100000@kermit.1-up.net> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204081513180.28527-100000@kermit.1-up.net> 
Message-ID: <31749.1018333574@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) 
Allen Day <allenday at 1-up.net> wrote:

> How can I prevent pipermail from escaping out the tags in HTML email?
> I want the archived messages to be in HTML form, as they were sent
> out.

Use an archiver that understands MIME (as per the FAQ).

> Is this in an FAQ somewhere?

As listed in the footer of every message to this list:
 
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Tue Apr  9 12:41:24 2002
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:41:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail looping between two mailman lists' request addresses
Message-ID: <15538.50516.165238.510382@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

It looks like a spammer sent a mail from
adns-announce-request at chiark.greenend.org.uk to
adns-discuss-request at chiark.greenend.org.uk.  In any case, the result
was each -request bot mailing the other repeatedly with error
messages.

How should I prevent this from recurring ?

(I posted a similar message yesterday but it got caught by the 40K
maximum message size limit and the moderator doesn't seem to have
approved it.  Last time I just deleted the offending messages but now
it's happened again, so for the moment I've installed an Exim system
filter to catch mails from -request to -request addresses.)

Ian.

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From delilah at seyyav.pair.com  Tue Apr  9 13:05:27 2002
From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (sean pambianco)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:05:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing pending messages
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0204090702570.2681-100000@seyyav.pair.com>

Hi,

Is it possible to edit messages that are held for approval in the
administrative interface?  The header and the text?

Sean





From ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in  Tue Apr  9 13:10:34 2002
From: ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:40:34 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Query...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204091629150.5663-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>

Hi,

About a week back I had posted a query about configuring Mailman
to co-exist with QMAIL. I got a few answers and finally took the
easy option of setting up a virtualdomain under QMAIL. Now things
are working fine.

I have another issue:

	We have a majordomo setup. There we have a list where most
	of the list members can not post. The posting rights are
	with a designated few (who may or may not be subscribing
	to the list). All the rest are simply recipients.

	How can I implement such a thing under Mailman scheme ?

Hoping to get some useful tips.

Regards.

-- ajit

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From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Tue Apr  9 15:36:31 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:36:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "True" virtual domains [netaktiv.com #99]
In-Reply-To: <032f01c1df40$0096fa40$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <20020408133043.GA7522@staff.netaktiv.com> <032f01c1df40$0096fa40$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020409133631.GA19334@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 04:57:32PM -0400,
 Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> wrote 
 a message of 76 lines which said:

> Using Mailman with virtual domains.

Close but it still does not work. I explain:
 
>  - Create the list using the unique local name

newlist REALNAME

>  - Setup the virtual name and point it to the unique local name (for email
> and for web)

I translated newlist's output to Postfix virtual addresses
("REALNAME:" becomes "VIRTUALNAME at VIRTUALDOMAIN "). It works
for incoming mail.

>  - Web admin to list and under General Options set
>       "Host name this list prefers" to the virtual host name
>       "Base URL for Mailman ..." to the virtual hosting site ***
>  - Web admin, Privacy Options, set
>       "Alias names (regexps).." list to include both the real and the
> virtual name of the list
>  - Web admin, Regular/Digest member options
>       "Footer added..." manually put in the information you want to show up

Done (BTW, I use config_list to do so, it is much easier/faster than
the Web interface.

> happens, go into ~mailman/lists/<listname>/.. and copy "config.db.last" over
> the current "config.db".  You will loose all recent changes, but you will
> once more be able to access the config of the list.

Or use config_list.
 
> This should let you setup multiple virtual lists with the same primary name:
>   info at backrub.org
>   info at ralphismyfriend.edu

Yes but it still fails for OUTGOING mails. The real name still appears
in many places. I can use Postfix's canonical to rewrite what's in the
headers but it is painful.

And some messages like "We have received a request from 62.212.103.139
for subscription of your email address, <bortzmeyer at gitoyen.net>, to the
REALNAME at VIRTUALDOMAIN mailing list." are not subject to customization.
 
I feel inclined to say that Mailman does not really support virtual
domains :-(











From support at obantec.net  Tue Apr  9 15:39:12 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Support)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:39:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual user support
Message-ID: <4ad301c1dfcb$ef7a7660$0a01a8c0@gamma>

Hi

I am trying to use the VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW =1 feature

If i go to
www.domain1.com/mailman/listinfo i see "www.domain1.com Mailing Lists" as
the mail list in page.

if i go to

www.domain2.com/mailman/listinfo i see "www.domain2.com Mailing Lists" as
the mail list in page.

However if i goto the /mailman/admin on either site i see
"proteus.domain.com mailing lists - Admin Links"
(ie. local domain set as default in Default.py)

I assumed it would keep the domainX for any url as these should only be for
the owner of the list in that domain.
It is also letting me see lists (not advertised) when using /infolist/test
which belongs to domain2 when called using url domain1 and lists that belong
to domain1 when calling from domain2

Mark





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Apr  9 15:48:34 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:48:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Query...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204091629150.5663-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.
 in>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409144440.03a62850@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 16:36 09/04/2002 +0530, ajit k jena wrote:

>Hi,
>
>About a week back I had posted a query about configuring Mailman
>to co-exist with QMAIL. I got a few answers and finally took the
>easy option of setting up a virtualdomain under QMAIL. Now things
>are working fine.
>
>I have another issue:
>
>         We have a majordomo setup. There we have a list where most
>         of the list members can not post. The posting rights are
>         with a designated few (who may or may not be subscribing
>         to the list). All the rest are simply recipients.
>
>         How can I implement such a thing under Mailman scheme ?

Look under the 'General posting filter' heading on the 'Privacy Options' 
web GUI page for your list. Reading the details of these three fields, 
particularly the last one, may help you answer your question.

>Hoping to get some useful tips.
>
>Regards.
>
>-- ajit





From todeanna at mis.net  Tue Apr  9 14:58:20 2002
From: todeanna at mis.net (Tod and Deanna Mascle)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:58:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Member listing
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163520.028fdcd0@paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c1dfd7$652571c0$7c351cce@8tjp801>

Paul's method works just dandy except my e-mail program is slow and if your
list is large the e-mail is also.  What I've been doing to backup my lists
is view subscriber list with my admin signin from interface (making sure
that addresses are formatted to include the @, so I have to remember to make
that switch before hand) and just save the web page to my desk top. Then I
have a list of all subscribers.

Deanna

Deanna Mascle
http://www.deannamascle.com
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http://www.justfolks.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Croft" <paul at paulsfunhouse.com>
To: "ksjones" <ksjones at zoominternet.net>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:37 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Member listing


> *** I added a subject line...which is a really nice thing for YOU to do so
> that people can follow the thread!
>
> Very easily
>
> Send a message to:
>
> [listname]-request at domain.com with a subject line of "who" (no quotes)
>
> Change [listname] to the name of your list and change the domain name
also!
>
> This only works if you have the membership viewable by all...but what I do
> is make the switch...send the message and then switch it back really
quickly!
>
> Paul
>
> At 10:47 AM 07/04/02, ksjones wrote:
> >Is there any way with mailman to get a list of all the subscribed email
> >addresses in text form instead of just the web admin pages.  It is easier
> >to review the list when I can have a couple of people look at the list
and
> >confirm the addresses.
> >
> >Thanks much
>
>
>
>
>





From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  9 17:12:58 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: customizing mailman V2.08
Message-ID: <20020409151258.83227.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>

hello List,

I am running mailman ver 2.08 on Solaris 8 with
multiple listadmins the problem some listadmin's are
changing The list admin's email address and also
"Maximum length in Kb of a message body" to 0 which is
choking the servers. Can i customize the mailman so
that these fileds will not be available for the list
admin to change.


Thanks in advance,
Regs
Sunny

__________________________________________________
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From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  9 17:13:11 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: customizing mailman V2.08
Message-ID: <20020409151311.91272.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com>

hello List,

I am running mailman ver 2.08 on Solaris 8 with
multiple listadmins the problem some listadmin's are
changing The list admin's email address and also
"Maximum length in Kb of a message body" to 0 which is
choking the servers. Can i customize the mailman so
that these fileds will not be available for the list
admin to change.


Thanks in advance,
Regs
Sunny

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
http://taxes.yahoo.com/




From mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk  Tue Apr  9 17:20:44 2002
From: mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk (mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:20:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
Message-ID: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15>

all,

does anyone know of a plug-in or a hack to get statistics from a list? i am
looking for something that will generate a monthly / weekly report with
things like: top 10 users, average daily message count, average message size
etc?

anyone know of a feature to do this?

thanks

p.s. great software!!

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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr  9 17:46:53 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:46:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing pending messages 
In-Reply-To: Message from sean pambianco <delilah@seyyav.pair.com> 
   of "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 07:05:27 EDT." <Pine.BSF.4.30.0204090702570.2681-100000@seyyav.pair.com> 
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0204090702570.2681-100000@seyyav.pair.com> 
Message-ID: <5211.1018367213@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:05:27 -0400 (EDT) 
sean pambianco <delilah at seyyav.pair.com> wrote:

> Hi, Is it possible to edit messages that are held for approval in the
> administrative interface?  The header and the text?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr  9 18:00:49 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:00:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Member listing 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Tod and Deanna Mascle" <todeanna@mis.net> 
   of "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:58:20 EDT." <008c01c1dfd7$652571c0$7c351cce@8tjp801> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163520.028fdcd0@paulsfunhouse.com>  <008c01c1dfd7$652571c0$7c351cce@8tjp801> 
Message-ID: <5485.1018368049@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:58:20 -0400 
Tod and Deanna Mascle <todeanna at mis.net> wrote:

> Paul's method works just dandy except my e-mail program is slow and if
> your list is large the e-mail is also.  What I've been doing to backup
> my lists is view subscriber list with my admin signin from interface
> (making sure that addresses are formatted to include the @, so I have
> to remember to make that switch before hand) and just save the web
> page to my desk top. Then I have a list of all subscribers.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Apr  9 18:04:42 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:04:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing pending messages
In-Reply-To: <5211.1018367213@kanga.nu>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0204090702570.2681-100000@seyyav.pair.com> <5211.1018367213@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20020409160441.GO31742@merlins.org>

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:46:53AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:05:27 -0400 (EDT) 
> sean pambianco <delilah at seyyav.pair.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Is it possible to edit messages that are held for approval in the
> > administrative interface?  The header and the text?
> 
> Please see the FAQ:
> 
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Talking about  this, it  seems that the  change to a  pickle files  for held
messages in 2.1  (I'm not sure why the change  BTW) unfortunately makes such
editing hard now, unless I missed something.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr  9 18:11:26 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:11:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing pending messages 
In-Reply-To: Message from Marc MERLIN <marc_news@vasoftware.com> 
   of "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:04:42 PDT." <20020409160441.GO31742@merlins.org> 
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0204090702570.2681-100000@seyyav.pair.com> <5211.1018367213@kanga.nu>  <20020409160441.GO31742@merlins.org> 
Message-ID: <5682.1018368686@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:04:42 -0700 
Marc MERLIN <marc_news at vasoftware.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:46:53AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:05:27 -0400 (EDT) sean pambianco
>> <delilah at seyyav.pair.com> wrote:

>>> Hi, Is it possible to edit messages that are held for approval in
>>> the administrative interface?  The header and the text?
 
>> Please see the FAQ:
 
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> Talking about this, it seems that the change to a pickle files for
> held messages in 2.1 (I'm not sure why the change BTW) unfortunately
> makes such editing hard now, unless I missed something.

<curses>

Damn, I thought that decision had gone the other way.  I hand edit every
message (the wonders of XEmacs) for my major lists, and thus currently
rely on the plain text qfiles being accessible to do that.

I thought v2.1 (don't have an installation to hand) also had a
moderate-by-email setup such that the edited message could be sent in to
be approved (and this removing the matching queue entry)?

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Tue Apr  9 19:09:25 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:09:25 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] transports not working
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831701204284@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

I am not able to build the lists via  email but I can build it with a the
add_member command.
Also the pipermail/test has an error when it comes up. Does mailman use
pipermail?

I copied the config section from the howto into the exim.conf file. 
Also copied the info from creating a list into /etc/aliases then did a
newaliases.

Anybody have an idea where to look for the error below?

delivering message 16uz3P-0000IV-00
LOG: 0 MAIN PANIC DIE
  Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a 
uid for local delivery of |/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post test

Ed Rantanen




From galas at tee.gr  Tue Apr  9 19:16:04 2002
From: galas at tee.gr (Galatoulas Emmanuel)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:16:04 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman 2.0.8
Message-ID: <3CB321D4.4090202@tee.gr>

Hi  all

I would like to set up a list server for our organisation
using Postfix as MTA and Mailman
I have experimented with Mailman 2.1b1 and found that it integrates
very well with Postfix. However I can't say the same for Mailman 2.0.x !!!
Any ideas or tips on how to ease the task of using Mailman 2.0.x  with 
Postfix ???

Thanks

Emmanuel





From tneff at bigfoot.com  Tue Apr  9 21:02:32 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:02:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: editing pending messages
In-Reply-To: <E16uy44-0004Un-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16uy44-0004Un-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1283543156.1018364552@t283742ghzz>

You can edit pending messages in Mailman 2.0.8 with the following patch.  I
have not tested it on 2.0.9 yet.  This method will probably never make the
official FAQ, but it will always be online in gzipped form at

	http://www.panix.com/~tneff/mailman20_edit_patch.gz

First, increase ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT in Mailman/Defaults.py from the
default of 4096 to something bigger like 32768 or -1 for unlimited (a huge
submission may render slowly in the browser!).  Then apply this two-part
patch.

*** Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py.orig	Wed Oct 10 13:31:46 2001
--- Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py	Wed Oct 10 18:30:25 2001
***************
*** 270,275 ****
--- 270,277 ----
              continue
          # get the action comment and reasons if present
          commentkey = 'comment-%d' % request_id
+         headerskey = 'headers-%d' % request_id
+         contentskey = 'fulltext-%d' % request_id
          preservekey = 'preserve-%d' % request_id
          forwardkey = 'forward-%d' % request_id
          forwardaddrkey = 'forward-addr-%d' % request_id
***************
*** 278,285 ****
--- 280,293 ----
          preserve = 0
          forward = 0
          forwardaddr = ''
+         headers = ''
+         contents = ''
          if cgidata.has_key(commentkey):
              comment = cgidata[commentkey].value
+         if cgidata.has_key(headerskey):
+             headers = cgidata[headerskey].value
+         if cgidata.has_key(contentskey):
+             contents = cgidata[contentskey].value
          if cgidata.has_key(preservekey):
              preserve = cgidata[preservekey].value
          if cgidata.has_key(forwardkey):
***************
*** 290,296 ****
          # handle the request id
          try:
              mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment,
!                                 preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
          except (KeyError, Errors.LostHeldMessage):
              # that's okay, it just means someone else has already updated 
the
              # database, so just ignore this id
--- 298,304 ----
          # handle the request id
          try:
              mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment,
!                                 preserve, forward, forwardaddr, headers, 
contents)
          except (KeyError, Errors.LostHeldMessage):
              # that's okay, it just means someone else has already updated 
the
              # database, so just ignore this id

*** Mailman/ListAdmin.py.orig	Wed Oct 10 13:31:46 2001
--- Mailman/ListAdmin.py	Wed Oct 10 18:40:27 2001
***************
*** 122,133 ****
          return type

      def HandleRequest(self, id, value, comment=None, preserve=None,
!                       forward=None, addr=None):
          self.__opendb()
          rtype, data = self.__db[id]
          if rtype == HELDMSG:
              status = self.__handlepost(data, value, comment, preserve,
!                                        forward, addr)
          else:
              assert rtype == SUBSCRIPTION
              status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
--- 122,133 ----
          return type

      def HandleRequest(self, id, value, comment=None, preserve=None,
!                       forward=None, addr=None, headers=None, 
contents=None):
          self.__opendb()
          rtype, data = self.__db[id]
          if rtype == HELDMSG:
              status = self.__handlepost(data, value, comment, preserve,
!                                        forward, addr, headers, contents)
          else:
              assert rtype == SUBSCRIPTION
              status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
***************
*** 172,178 ****
          data = time.time(), sender, msgsubject, reason, filename, msgdata
          self.__db[id] = (HELDMSG, data)

!     def __handlepost(self, record, value, comment, preserve, forward, 
addr):
          # For backwards compatibility with pre 2.0beta3
          if len(record) == 5:
              ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename = record
--- 172,178 ----
          data = time.time(), sender, msgsubject, reason, filename, msgdata
          self.__db[id] = (HELDMSG, data)

!     def __handlepost(self, record, value, comment, preserve, forward, 
addr, headers, contents):
          # For backwards compatibility with pre 2.0beta3
          if len(record) == 5:
              ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename = record
***************
*** 181,186 ****
--- 181,202 ----
              # New format of record
              ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename, msgdata = record
          path = os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, filename)
+         # Handle editing
+         if len(headers)+len(contents):
+            fp = open(path)
+            unixfrom = fp.readline()
+            rest = fp.read()
+            # Parse headers and body
+            parts = string.split(rest,'\n\n')
+            if len(headers) == 0:
+                headers = parts[0]
+            if len(contents) == 0:
+                contents = parts[1]
+            fp.close
+            # Now write the changed result
+            fp = open(path,'w')
+            fp.write(unixfrom + headers + '\n\n' + contents)
+            fp.close
          # Handle message preservation
          if preserve:
              parts = string.split(os.path.split(path)[1], '-')





From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Apr  9 21:16:12 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:16:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Removing those extra List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <B8D7B35B.2574D%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
References: <B8D7B35B.2574D%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <p05101504b8d8e7c8e945@[207.149.192.229]>

At 20:51 -0700 4/8/2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>On 4/8/02 6:19 PM, "John W Baxter" <jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:
>
>
>> One can't, if one uses the Mailman installation managed as a service by
>> someone else.  Suitable bribes to that person might help, though.  I think
>> I remember the OP saying that he was in the using-a-service camp.
>
>Of course, maybe, just maybe, the people who spend their time designing,
>building, maintaining and operating mailman and mailman-using systems know
>something about this topic that people like OP don't.

Indeed.  But I didn't say anything about removing the headers being a good
thing, nor advise how to do it.

>
>Nah. He's right. Let's nuke the headers.

Actually, I want to keep the headers (and I elected to read a virtual
sarcasm smiley above).  But now and then I do read a list with a Windows
Eudora which is not set to suppress them, and I see the counter argument.
(I suppress them in the Mac Eudora I usually use.)

But I think that advice to comment out a line of code should be qualified
by "if you have access to the Mailman installation and want to [do xx] ..."
or something like that.  Whether xx is nuking the List-* headers or
anything else that requires a code change.  Because of the archives, I
think that's true even if it is known that the immediate recipient of the
advice indeed has the needed access to make the change (alternate form:
Because you have access to the Mailman installation, you can [xx]).

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Apr  9 21:26:34 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:26:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15>
Message-ID: <011001c1dffc$763768e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

I'll have to add size to it, but how's this for a start:

Weekly
===
LISTNAM="your list name"
echo -n "Total post to the list $LISTNAM":
grep -i "post to $LISTNAME " ~mailman/logs/post |wc -l
echo " "
echo "Top 10 posters to the list:"
grep -i "post to $LISTNAM " ~mailman/logs/post |cut -f 10 "-d " | \
   sort |uniq -c |sort -r |head -10
===
This assumes that there are a weeks worth of logs in ~mailman/logs/post
I actually run the script on the file ~mailman/logs/post.1 - after the files
have been rotated.
You can, however, run it weekly before you rotate your logs.

If you want monthly stats then you will need to keep 5 weeks of logs.  I
rotate my logs weekly and number the logs as such:
  post - current log for postings
  post.1 - last weeks log for postings
  post.2 - postings from 2 weeks ago
  post.3 - postings from 3 weeks ago
  post.4 - postings from 4 weeks ago
  post.5 - postings from 5 weeks ago

Monthly (run on 1st of the month)
===
LISTNAM="your list name"
MONTH=`date -d "last month" "+%b"`
echo -n "Total post to the list $LISTNAM":
grep -i "post to $LISTNAME " ~mailman/logs/post* |wc -l
echo " "
grep -i "post to $LISTNAM " ~mailman/logs/post* |grep ":$MONTH " | \
   cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c |sort -r |head -10
===

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: <mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics


> all,
>
> does anyone know of a plug-in or a hack to get statistics from a list? i
am
> looking for something that will generate a monthly / weekly report with
> things like: top 10 users, average daily message count, average message
size
> etc?
>
> anyone know of a feature to do this?
>
> thanks
>
> p.s. great software!!
>
> **************
>
>
> Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group
> does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.
> Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not
> accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by
> viruses being passed.  Any views or opinions presented are solely those
> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays
> Group.  Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group
> for operational or business reasons.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at haht.com  Tue Apr  9 22:13:18 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:13:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <011001c1dffc$763768e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Okay, here is the addition of size to the scripts.  I also filter on
"success", as some lists reject mail that is too large.

SIZ=`grep -i "post to $LISTNAM" ~mailman/logs/post |grep success | \
   cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
j=0; for i in $SIZ; do j=$(( i + j )); done; echo "Total bytes" = $j

I'll tweak these and put them in the FAQ - though it's not really a
frequently asked question...

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
To: <mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] list statistics


> I'll have to add size to it, but how's this for a start:
>
> Weekly
> ===
> LISTNAM="your list name"
> echo -n "Total post to the list $LISTNAM":
> grep -i "post to $LISTNAME " ~mailman/logs/post |wc -l
> echo " "
> echo "Top 10 posters to the list:"
> grep -i "post to $LISTNAM " ~mailman/logs/post |cut -f 10 "-d " | \
>    sort |uniq -c |sort -r |head -10
> ===
> This assumes that there are a weeks worth of logs in ~mailman/logs/post
> I actually run the script on the file ~mailman/logs/post.1 - after the
files
> have been rotated.
> You can, however, run it weekly before you rotate your logs.
>
> If you want monthly stats then you will need to keep 5 weeks of logs.  I
> rotate my logs weekly and number the logs as such:
>   post - current log for postings
>   post.1 - last weeks log for postings
>   post.2 - postings from 2 weeks ago
>   post.3 - postings from 3 weeks ago
>   post.4 - postings from 4 weeks ago
>   post.5 - postings from 5 weeks ago
>
> Monthly (run on 1st of the month)
> ===
> LISTNAM="your list name"
> MONTH=`date -d "last month" "+%b"`
> echo -n "Total post to the list $LISTNAM":
> grep -i "post to $LISTNAME " ~mailman/logs/post* |wc -l
> echo " "
> grep -i "post to $LISTNAM " ~mailman/logs/post* |grep ":$MONTH " | \
>    cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c |sort -r |head -10
> ===
>
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:20 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
>
>
> > all,
> >
> > does anyone know of a plug-in or a hack to get statistics from a list? i
> am
> > looking for something that will generate a monthly / weekly report with
> > things like: top 10 users, average daily message count, average message
> size
> > etc?
> >
> > anyone know of a feature to do this?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > p.s. great software!!
> >
> > **************
> >
> >
> > Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group
> > does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.
> > Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not
> > accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by
> > viruses being passed.  Any views or opinions presented are solely those
> > of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays
> > Group.  Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group
> > for operational or business reasons.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From tneff at bigfoot.com  Wed Apr 10 00:23:48 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:23:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Removing those extra List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <E16ut5b-0001YM-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16ut5b-0001YM-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1295618859.1018376628@t283742ghzz>

Sorry, I missed this when it first appeared.

John W Baxter <jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:
> One can patch the installation, if one manages the Mailman installation
> and has or develops the skills.
>
> One can't, if one uses the Mailman installation managed as a service by
> someone else.  Suitable bribes to that person might help, though.  I think
> I remember the OP saying that he was in the using-a-service camp.

Right, if the ISP is offering Mailman as a 'canned' service *AND* you're 
not allowed to install your own copy and use that instead, then you can't 
install any patches.  The good news is that even if the Mailman authors 
were to decide to make the List-* headers a per-list option in 2.1 (which 
they won't), you'd probably have no luck convincing the ISP to upgrade 
anyway.

Sometimes an ISP will offer Mailman as an installable software option via 
checkbox on your web-based server configurator etc... but actually you 
could install your own copy if you wanted to.  In that case, install it 
yourself and patch away.

Personally, I wouldn't run Mailman somewhere I hadn't installed it.

Still on my todo list is a per-list config patch for the headers.




From esisler at westminster.lib.co.us  Wed Apr 10 00:29:51 2002
From: esisler at westminster.lib.co.us (Eric Sisler)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:29:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up an announce only list
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409160538.00a0a860@127.0.0.1>

Greetings!

I'm new to Mailman and I've read the various documentation, FAQ's and 
scanned the archives, but I don't see a definitive answer to setting up an 
"announce only" type list.  I can't quite come up with the solution I want, 
and perhaps there isn't with this version.  Ideally what I'd like is this:

When members (or anyone) try to send to the list, they receive the message 
back in the "autoresponse_postings_text" variable but *NOT* the short 
message indicating that the post is being held pending administrative 
approval (as it won't ever get approved).  In this case, the list 
administrator would only need select "discard" from the "tend to pending 
administrative tasks" page instead of having to word a reply for each posting.

Unfortunately setting "Send mail to poster when their posting is held for 
approval?" to no also seems to disable the autorespond text.  Setting the 
above to yes then sends *both* messages - the short one indicating the 
message is being held for approval and the autorespond text.  The problem 
is the messages conflict - one says the message is being held for approval 
and the other says no posts to this list are allowed.

Another possible solution would be to change the short message to indicate 
no posts are allowed, but I don't see any method of doing so from the web 
interface.  Is there a way?

I'd also like to change the "Welcome to the list" e-mail text, is there a 
way to do this - other than just adding additional text?

If anyone has a better method for setting up an announce only list, I'm all 
eyes.

Any suggestions are appreciated.  Thanks!

-Eric


Eric Sisler <esisler at westminster.lib.co.us>
Applications Specialist
Westminster Public Library
Westminster, CO USA

Linux - Don't fear the Penguin.
Want to know what we use Linux for?
Visit http://gromit.westminster.lib.co.us/linux





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Apr 10 05:43:23 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:43:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up an announce only list
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409160538.00a0a860@127.0.0.1>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409160538.00a0a860@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <200204100341.XAA21578@salsa.haht.com>

All that you ask is easily done with a little scripting...

You'll need to turn off "Send mail to poster when posting is held".  Then 
write a script that looks at the held messages for the specified list in 
~mailman/data/..

grep for the first occurence of "From:" and isolate the senders email address

Send back a canned message:
  mail -s "You are not authorized to post to list at mydomain.com" $FROM < 
~mailman/lists/<listname>/canned_message.txt

Put the script in your mailman crontab and let it execute hourly (at 59 
minutes past the hour).

Make sure the list is setup so that only an elite few can automagically post 
to it... Voila!  Exactly what you want.

Oh, BTW, delete the held message after you respond to it, and (look in the 
FAQ for more details) copy a saved/empty request.db over the current one for 
the list - so that you won't get annoying messages about a pending request.

Work on it for awhile, and let me know if you have any problems.  I'm happy 
to help.

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 09 April 2002 06:29 pm ---
> Greetings!
>
> I'm new to Mailman and I've read the various documentation, FAQ's and
> scanned the archives, but I don't see a definitive answer to setting up an
> "announce only" type list.  I can't quite come up with the solution I want,
> and perhaps there isn't with this version.  Ideally what I'd like is this:
>
> When members (or anyone) try to send to the list, they receive the message
> back in the "autoresponse_postings_text" variable but *NOT* the short
> message indicating that the post is being held pending administrative
> approval (as it won't ever get approved).  In this case, the list
> administrator would only need select "discard" from the "tend to pending
> administrative tasks" page instead of having to word a reply for each
> posting.
>
> Unfortunately setting "Send mail to poster when their posting is held for
> approval?" to no also seems to disable the autorespond text.  Setting the
> above to yes then sends *both* messages - the short one indicating the
> message is being held for approval and the autorespond text.  The problem
> is the messages conflict - one says the message is being held for approval
> and the other says no posts to this list are allowed.
>
> Another possible solution would be to change the short message to indicate
> no posts are allowed, but I don't see any method of doing so from the web
> interface.  Is there a way?
>
> I'd also like to change the "Welcome to the list" e-mail text, is there a
> way to do this - other than just adding additional text?
>
> If anyone has a better method for setting up an announce only list, I'm all
> eyes.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated.  Thanks!
>
> -Eric
>
>
> Eric Sisler <esisler at westminster.lib.co.us>
> Applications Specialist
> Westminster Public Library
> Westminster, CO USA
>
> Linux - Don't fear the Penguin.
> Want to know what we use Linux for?
> Visit http://gromit.westminster.lib.co.us/linux
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From vshlomit at wicc.weizmann.ac.il  Tue Apr  9 10:10:54 2002
From: vshlomit at wicc.weizmann.ac.il (Shlomit Afgin)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 11:10:54 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with cgi-gid and mail-gid
Message-ID: <3CB2A20E.1D2AC1F1@wicc.weizmann.ac.il>

?
We downloaded and compiled mailman-2.0.8 on solaris 2.7 .
The installation was done on mail server running solaris2.7.
We tried to configure our web server (also solaris 2.7) to get the gui
interface for mailman , using nfs mount disk from mail server onto web
server.
We have the cgi-gid on our web server different from gid of the daemon
that runs mail on mail server.
So , we recompiled all the soft with

--with-cgi-gid=88891 and --with-mail-gid=88891.
Everything looked OK and we got giu interface of the first mailing list.

But when we try to post a message to the mailing lits we get the
following error:

.....The following address had permanent fatal errors ....
"|/export/mailman/mail/wrapper post wicclist

.....Transcript of session follows ...

Failure to exec script?? WANTED gid 88891 GOT gid 1.(reconfigure to take
1?)
554 5.3.0 "|/export/mailman/mail/wrapper post wicclist
... unknown mailer error 2.
?

How can we compile mailman to use wrapper in both gid's.
?

Thank you
?

Please send answers to
?

camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il
?
?
?
?
?
?
?





From sztamas at netrix.hu  Tue Apr  9 11:54:28 2002
From: sztamas at netrix.hu (sztamas)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:54:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help: Deleting post approvals from admindb
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204091148200.32326-100000@option.tvnet.hu>

I'd like to remove about 1000 approvals from a list.

I've read the FAQ, and I bet the lines below won't solve my problem.

remove $prefix/archives/private/listname 
edit $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox [optional] 
run $prefix/bin/arch listname 

I've seen the user list archives for the last month, and I was not able to
find a solution.
Thanks for the help.
			Tamas
ps: Please, Carbon Copy to me





From rickyy at pdasia.com  Tue Apr  9 12:12:05 2002
From: rickyy at pdasia.com (Ricky YUEN)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:12:05 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman: gid problem
Message-ID: <010001c1dfaf$00441fe0$dcf245ca@edi22.net>


i have install mailman 2.0.9 on my redhat 7.2.
now i have the following problem:
am i set gid correctly?

#########################
Problem:
cann't access :
http://domain.name/mailman/listinfo/listname  and
http://domain.name/mailman/admin/listname
error:
===== err begin =====
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, ricky at domain.name and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
===== err end =====

#########################
My config:
Apache:
===== apache begin =====
User ricky
Group user
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
ServerAdmin ricky at domain.name
===== apache end =====

Mailman
===== mailman start =====
./configure --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 --with-cgi-gid=user
===== mailman end =====

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From Rama.Kesava.BVTS at pamho.net  Tue Apr  9 13:37:00 2002
From: Rama.Kesava.BVTS at pamho.net (Rama Kesava BVTS)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions
Message-ID: <5415786@pamho.net>

Hi,

I'm considering switching a list of around 9,000 subscribers to Mailman.
Currently we are using eMerge and it's rather bad.

I had a few questions, that I hoped you could answer:

1) How large can the mailing list be? Is 9,000 too large? If not, is there a
way to tell Mailman not to send all the message all at once -- I am thinking
about this so that it all doesn't get bounced back saying "too many
recipients".

2) Do the subscribers have to always confirm their subscription or can the
list owner do this on their behalf? (I am thinking here about
data-convertion, and also circumstances where people ask us to subscribe
them for us because they can't.)

3) If so, can we do a bulk-add then? Does the web-interface allow this?

3) Lastly can it be made so that the subscribers cannot reply to the list? I
believe this is called a closed list? (Our current list is one-way, so to
speak, and we wanted it to remain this way.)

I'd really appreciate it if you would be able to answer these questions for
me. Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Rama Kesava




From michalst at student.matnat.uio.no  Tue Apr  9 15:51:51 2002
From: michalst at student.matnat.uio.no (Michal Marek Stefanczak)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:51:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: <3CB2F1F6.D55E5F72@ifi.uio.no>

Hi!
I have o small problem, and I hope you could help with it. Some days ago
I installed mailman (version 2.0.9), all things work well, besides one.
I have problemmes sending mail to users outside our network. (it has
nothing to do with our firewall). It seems that SMTP is parsing all
emails. It takes the part left to @ (username), and adds it to our
domain.
It looks like this:
my email is:
michalst at ifi.uio.no
If I register to one of the maillinglists, them this happens to my
email.
michalst at localdomain.com , a 'localdomain.com' is added insted off my
original. I think that there is something wrong with the sendmail
configuration, but I haven't yet found it.
Do you know what i shall do??

-Michal





From nbecker at hns.com  Tue Apr  9 16:03:07 2002
From: nbecker at hns.com (Neal D. Becker)
Date: 09 Apr 2002 10:03:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple email addresses
Message-ID: <x88r8lprmuc.fsf@rpppc1.md.hns.com>

I want to subscribe using my home email address, but also want to be
able to post messages from work.  If the list is restricted to
subscribed addresses, how can I do this (or can I do this)?  If not,
can mailman support an option for email aliases?




From keith-a_wolfe at hp.com  Tue Apr  9 20:09:30 2002
From: keith-a_wolfe at hp.com (WOLFE,KEITH A (HP-FtCollins,ex1))
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:09:30 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reading email attachments
Message-ID: <E97137CF9A25D311902E00A0C9F484E00CA7CC52@xfc03.fc.hp.com>

Thank you for your assistance.  I have two questions I was hoping you could
answer:

1) The Mailman features listed at http://www.list.org/features.html indicate
that it supports "Automatic web-based Hypermail-style archiving".  However
our Mailman doesn't allow attachments such as .pdf and .doc files to be
readable because the raw hex is embedded into the email message, whereas our
hypermail archive does.  Is there a way to make the attachments readable in
the Mailman archive?  Without them readable, the archiving value is
diminished.

2) Our archive displays the following at the bottom:
"This archive was generated by Pipermail 0.05 (Mailman edition)."  Is this
the true Mailman, or a variation?  Is this why the attachments aren't
readable?

Thanks,
Keith




From edg at greenberg.org  Wed Apr 10 06:13:38 2002
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:13:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting from a web form
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020409211144.00aef4a0@imap.greenberg.org>

Is there a way to implement posting from a web form (for list members 
authenticated with their passwords)?

Some of my members are asking for this.

The list is an Recreational Vehicles list, and they want to read archives, 
and post message, from public Internet stations in cafes and libraries.

Has anybody done this?

Thanks,
</edg>





From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 10 07:11:50 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:11:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reading email attachments 
In-Reply-To: Message from "WOLFE,KEITH A (HP-FtCollins,ex1)" <keith-a_wolfe@hp.com> 
   of "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:09:30 EDT." <E97137CF9A25D311902E00A0C9F484E00CA7CC52@xfc03.fc.hp.com> 
References: <E97137CF9A25D311902E00A0C9F484E00CA7CC52@xfc03.fc.hp.com> 
Message-ID: <17831.1018415510@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:09:30 -0400 
KEITH A WOLFE <WOLFE> wrote:

> 1) The Mailman features listed at http://www.list.org/features.html
> indicate that it supports "Automatic web-based Hypermail-style
> archiving".  However our Mailman doesn't allow attachments such as
> .pdf and .doc files to be readable because the raw hex is embedded
> into the email message, whereas our hypermail archive does.  Is there
> a way to make the attachments readable in the Mailman archive?
> Without them readable, the archiving value is diminished.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> 2) Our archive displays the following at the bottom: "This archive was
> generated by Pipermail 0.05 (Mailman edition)."  Is this the true
> Mailman, or a variation?  Is this why the attachments aren't readable?

Pipermail is a mail archiving tool that has been mostly abandoned
(outside of Mailman).  It used to be external to Mailman, but is now
only found within Mailman.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 10 07:12:32 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:12:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple email addresses 
In-Reply-To: Message from nbecker@hns.com (Neal D. Becker) 
   of "09 Apr 2002 10:03:07 EDT." <x88r8lprmuc.fsf@rpppc1.md.hns.com> 
References: <x88r8lprmuc.fsf@rpppc1.md.hns.com> 
Message-ID: <17851.1018415552@kanga.nu>

On 09 Apr 2002 10:03:07 -0400 
Neal D Becker <nbecker at hns.com> wrote:

> I want to subscribe using my home email address, but also want to be
> able to post messages from work.  If the list is restricted to
> subscribed addresses, how can I do this (or can I do this)?  If not,
> can mailman support an option for email aliases?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 10 07:14:07 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:14:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Rama Kesava BVTS" <Rama.Kesava.BVTS@pamho.net> 
   of "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:37:00 BST." <5415786@pamho.net> 
References: <5415786@pamho.net> 
Message-ID: <17861.1018415647@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:37 +0100 
Rama Kesava BVTS <Rama.Kesava.BVTS at pamho.net> wrote:

> 1) How large can the mailing list be? Is 9,000 too large? If not, is
> there a way to tell Mailman not to send all the message all at once --
> I am thinking about this so that it all doesn't get bounced back
> saying "too many recipients".

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> 2) Do the subscribers have to always confirm their subscription or can
> the list owner do this on their behalf? (I am thinking here about
> data-convertion, and also circumstances where people ask us to
> subscribe them for us because they can't.)

List-owners can subscribe addresses manually via the web interface or
CLI.

> 3) If so, can we do a bulk-add then? Does the web-interface allow
> this?

Yes.  The CLI is more suited however.

> 3) Lastly can it be made so that the subscribers cannot reply to the
> list? I believe this is called a closed list? (Our current list is
> one-way, so to speak, and we wanted it to remain this way.)

Yes, tho 2.1 (currently in beta) handles this better than 2.0.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 10 07:16:06 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting from a web form 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ed Greenberg <edg@greenberg.org> 
   of "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:13:38 PDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020409211144.00aef4a0@imap.greenberg.org> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020409211144.00aef4a0@imap.greenberg.org> 
Message-ID: <17876.1018415766@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:13:38 -0700 
Ed Greenberg <edg at greenberg.org> wrote:

> Is there a way to implement posting from a web form (for list members
> authenticated with their passwords)?

Yes, see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> Has anybody done this?

Yup.  I've detailed the bits and where to get them in the above FAQ
(under MIME archiving)

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 10 07:46:57 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:46:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking few features for listadmin
In-Reply-To: <20020409151311.91272.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020410054657.938.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>

 I am running mailman ver 2.08 on Solaris 8 with
 multiple listadmins the problem some listadmin's are
 changing The list admin's email address and also
 "Maximum length in Kb of a message body" to 0 which
 is
 choking the servers. Can i customize the mailman so
 that these fileds will not be available for the list
 admin to change.

Regards
DK 


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From mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk  Wed Apr 10 10:34:54 2002
From: mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk (mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:34:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
Message-ID: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D477@RADBUKSDNT15>

thanks jon,

that looks promising!! i will give it a go tonight! talk about quick
turnround....

-------------------------------------------
Mark Johnson - Hardware Install Specialist
Central Hardware Installation Team (CHIT)
B5, Ground Floor, Block 10, Radbroke Hall
Barclays Bank PLC - Great Britain
E-Mail: mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk
Phone: 01565 612510
-------------------------------------------

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com]
> Sent: 09 April 2002 20:27
> To: Johnson, Mark : Enable; mailman-users
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
> 
> 
> I'll have to add size to it, but how's this for a start:
> 
> Weekly
> ===
> LISTNAM="your list name"
> echo -n "Total post to the list $LISTNAM":
> grep -i "post to $LISTNAME " ~mailman/logs/post |wc -l
> echo " "
> echo "Top 10 posters to the list:"
> grep -i "post to $LISTNAM " ~mailman/logs/post |cut -f 10 "-d " | \
>    sort |uniq -c |sort -r |head -10
> ===
> This assumes that there are a weeks worth of logs in 
> ~mailman/logs/post
> I actually run the script on the file ~mailman/logs/post.1 - 
> after the files
> have been rotated.
> You can, however, run it weekly before you rotate your logs.
> 
> If you want monthly stats then you will need to keep 5 weeks 
> of logs.  I
> rotate my logs weekly and number the logs as such:
>   post - current log for postings
>   post.1 - last weeks log for postings
>   post.2 - postings from 2 weeks ago
>   post.3 - postings from 3 weeks ago
>   post.4 - postings from 4 weeks ago
>   post.5 - postings from 5 weeks ago
> 
> Monthly (run on 1st of the month)
> ===
> LISTNAM="your list name"
> MONTH=`date -d "last month" "+%b"`
> echo -n "Total post to the list $LISTNAM":
> grep -i "post to $LISTNAME " ~mailman/logs/post* |wc -l
> echo " "
> grep -i "post to $LISTNAM " ~mailman/logs/post* |grep ":$MONTH " | \
>    cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c |sort -r |head -10
> ===
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:20 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
> 
> 
> > all,
> >
> > does anyone know of a plug-in or a hack to get statistics 
> from a list? i
> am
> > looking for something that will generate a monthly / weekly 
> report with
> > things like: top 10 users, average daily message count, 
> average message
> size
> > etc?
> >
> > anyone know of a feature to do this?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > p.s. great software!!
> >
> > **************
> >
> >
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> Barclays Group
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> > of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays
> > Group.  Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group
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> >
> >
> >
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> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 

Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group
does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.
Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not
accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by
viruses being passed.  Any views or opinions presented are solely those
of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays
Group.  Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group
for operational or business reasons.





From hicking at du.gtn.com  Wed Apr 10 11:46:50 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:46:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b1 and Sendmail intergration
Message-ID: <523966544.1018439210@mahi.du.gtn.com>

Hi folks

Has anyone managed to get the contribited mm-wrapper
script for Mailman/Sendmail intergration running under
2.1b1 ? My machine is FreeBSD 4.5 with Sendmail 8.11.6
and after installing the wrapper, still all list adresses
not manually added to /etc/aliases bounce as undeliverable.

TAI,
Marcel





From francois at chenais.net  Wed Apr 10 15:40:21 2002
From: francois at chenais.net (François Chenais)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:40:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list duplication between 2 servers
Message-ID: <20020410154021.0a7b4f78.francois@chenais.net>

Hello, 

	Because of bad performances, I change the computer which run mailman.
	But I want to transfert the old computer lists datas 
	(archives, configs, users...)


	Is there any way to do that ?

	The old computer uses mailman version 2.0.1 (installed by hand)
	The new computer uses mailman version 2.0.8 (RH 7.2 package)


		Thanks a lot .

		Fran?ois

		
-- 
Woody 3.0
Linux tanna 2.4.14 #3 SMP Thu Dec 6 14:04:03 CET 2001 i686 unknown




From aballest at aurora.edu  Wed Apr 10 16:50:16 2002
From: aballest at aurora.edu (Adriana Ballesteros)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:50:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message approval
Message-ID: <011801c1e09f$0a78df00$570a10ac@aurora.edu>

Hi:
    When a message is posted to a mailing list gets approved even though the adminstrator receives an e-mail indicating that the there is a message waiting to be released, and the administrator does not release it.  The mailing list is set so that the administrator approves every single message that is posted to the mailing list.
    Does anybody have a solution to this problem?

Any assistance will be appreciated.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Adriana Ballesteros

????????????????????????????????????????

Adriana Ballesteros
Programmer/Analyst
Aurora University
347 South Gladstone Avenue
Aurora, IL 60505
630/844-4220
Fax: 630/844-7850

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From aballest at aurora.edu  Wed Apr 10 17:00:00 2002
From: aballest at aurora.edu (Adriana Ballesteros)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:00:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Posting
Message-ID: <013801c1e0a0$66a58fc0$570a10ac@aurora.edu>

Hi:
    When a message is posted to a mailing list gets approved even though the
adminstrator receives an e-mail indicating that the there is a message
waiting to be released, and the administrator does not release it.  The
mailing list is set so that the administrator approves every single message
that is posted to the mailing list.
    Does anybody have a solution to this problem?

Any assistance will be appreciated.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Adriana Ballesteros

????????????????????????????????????????

Adriana Ballesteros
Programmer/Analyst
Aurora University
347 South Gladstone Avenue
Aurora, IL 60505
630/844-4220
Fax: 630/844-7850

????????????????????????????????????????





From aballest at aurora.edu  Wed Apr 10 17:00:00 2002
From: aballest at aurora.edu (Adriana Ballesteros)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:00:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Posting
Message-ID: <013801c1e0a0$66a58fc0$570a10ac@aurora.edu>

Hi:
    When a message is posted to a mailing list gets approved even though the
adminstrator receives an e-mail indicating that the there is a message
waiting to be released, and the administrator does not release it.  The
mailing list is set so that the administrator approves every single message
that is posted to the mailing list.
    Does anybody have a solution to this problem?

Any assistance will be appreciated.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Adriana Ballesteros

????????????????????????????????????????

Adriana Ballesteros
Programmer/Analyst
Aurora University
347 South Gladstone Avenue
Aurora, IL 60505
630/844-4220
Fax: 630/844-7850

????????????????????????????????????????





From eric at meyerweb.com  Wed Apr 10 17:55:08 2002
From: eric at meyerweb.com (Eric A. Meyer)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:55:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <200204091332.g39DWFi28717@rszemeti.demon.co.uk>
References: <20020408163823.97202.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com>
 <200204091332.g39DWFi28717@rszemeti.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <v0422081db8da0b2d1ffc@[192.168.1.31]>

At 14:32 +0100 4/9/02, robin szemeti wrote:
>On Monday 08 April 2002 17:38, David wrote:
>>  just think that the way they say
>>  that leaving the headers in is following standards and that there is no
>>  option to remove them is absurd especially when that is not wht he
>>  standards say.
>
>'no option to remove them' ?? what?
>
>just edit the source, how hard can it be??

    Impossible, in some cases.  Let's take an example: pair.com (a 
very large Web hosting provider, among other things) provides 
accounts with free use of "pairlist."  This is all based on Mailman 
(v2.0.6 at this point), and so far as I can tell the lists are all 
administrated through the Web-based interface.  If an option doesn't 
appear in that interface, then the list admin can't affect that 
function.  For some odd reason, pair.com doesn't want people editing 
the Mailman source that runs all its lists-- can't imagine why that 
would be.
    It's true that many accounts at pair allow for running one's own 
scripts, and that would suffice for many people.  For many others, 
who have cheaper accounts that don't permit shell access or 
customized CGI, it would be a touch more difficult.
    And as a last point... not everyone is fluent enough in Python 
programming to hack the source.  Like me, for example.

>[1] I must say I really don;t get why there is all this jumping up and down
>over what is essentially meta-information in the mail. ANYTHING can be added
>to the headers by mailhosts along the way ... <shrug> if you don;t want to
>look at them then just ignore them .... whats the big deal?

    As others have pointed out, there are cases where one may wish to 
create an "announcements" list under Mailman-- probably because 
that's what a service provider gives a person, and the source is 
beyond their ability to change.  In such one-way lists, the headers 
are largely irrelevant and so are misleading at best.  It might even 
represent a noticeable bandwidth savings to not have them, if 
messages go out with some frequency to a large list.  The 
meta-information headers on the Mailman list I maintain amount to 
just over 0.5KB per message.  Multiple that by 1700 list members and 
about 50 messages per day, and those headers alone represent 42,500KB 
of data per day.  That's a relatively big deal if one is paying for 
the traffic.  And I'm running it via pair.com, so source editing is 
not an option for me.
    Now, I think the headers are very useful for my list and wouldn't 
want to get rid of them, but if they weren't useful then I'd want to 
drop them-- in part to save bandwidth, but also to avoid throwing 
data at the users which doesn't apply.  Without source access, I 
can't do that.  This means that I'm a lot less likely to use Mailman 
for one-way "announcement" lists, or for lists where I think most of 
the traffic will be in short messages.  If I'm limited to using 
Mailman or nothing else, then I might not set up such lists at all.
    Personally, I don't understand why it would be such a big deal to 
offer, as both a Web-based and command-line option, the ability to 
include or omit these headers.  That allows the maintainers to decide 
what's best for their particular list.  I'm sure the option could 
default to "headers on" and nobody would much complain.  Maximum 
flexibility would be afforded by letting admins pick which individual 
headers to keep and which to omit, but I suppose that might be a bit 
much.

--
Eric A. Meyer (eric at meyerweb.com) http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/
Author, "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide" and
"CSS 2.0 Programmer's Reference"  http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/books/




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 10 17:58:00 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:58:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking few features for listadmin
References: <20020410054657.938.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009701c1e0a8$801e1ff0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This is a tough one.  The best way to handle it, is simply lay down the law
and remove admins who break your rules.

In addition to that, you can write a script that checks on list configs
regularly and reports any changes to you.  You can also have the script set
any values back to your preferred defaults for each list, and send a warning
note to the admins of the list.

A harder option is to edit the source code so that some values are not
displayed in the Web-admin.  Those options would have to be set by the
system admin via the command line tools.

...Actually, I just looked at the source code for the admin cgi and you can
easily put in an over-ride for any web-admin chosen variable.  So if they
wanted to change the size of an allowed email, it would look to them as
though they could change it, but whatever value they choose would be
over-ridden when posting. A static value compiled into the admin cgi would
be very easy, and it wouldn't be too hard to have a value dumped in via a
text file or database.

Hope this helps - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "sunny" <hellozappy2k at yahoo.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:46 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking few features for listadmin


>
>  I am running mailman ver 2.08 on Solaris 8 with
>  multiple listadmins the problem some listadmin's are
>  changing The list admin's email address and also
>  "Maximum length in Kb of a message body" to 0 which
>  is
>  choking the servers. Can i customize the mailman so
>  that these fileds will not be available for the list
>  admin to change.
>
> Regards
> DK
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 10 18:04:40 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:04:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help: Deleting post approvals from admindb
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204091148200.32326-100000@option.tvnet.hu>
Message-ID: <00af01c1e0a9$6be3a360$0b04010a@JCARNES>

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp

Basically, you need to:
  rm ~mailman/data/heldmsg-<list-name>-*

Then run the web-based admindb.  The web-based admindb will see that the
messages are no longer on the server and will delete them from the
request.db database.  Once that is done you can make a copy of the empty
request.db (or simply use an empty request.db from an other list), and
automate the process as outlined in the FAQ.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "sztamas" <sztamas at netrix.hu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:54 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help: Deleting post approvals from admindb


> I'd like to remove about 1000 approvals from a list.
>
> I've read the FAQ, and I bet the lines below won't solve my problem.
>
> remove $prefix/archives/private/listname
> edit $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox [optional]
> run $prefix/bin/arch listname
>
> I've seen the user list archives for the last month, and I was not able to
> find a solution.
> Thanks for the help.
> Tamas
> ps: Please, Carbon Copy to me
>
>
>
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Apr 10 18:05:25 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:05:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking few features for listadmin
In-Reply-To: <009701c1e0a8$801e1ff0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <B8D9B0D5.2619E%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 4/10/02 8:58 AM, "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com> wrote:

> This is a tough one.  The best way to handle it, is simply lay down the law
> and remove admins who break your rules.

I've had a couple of fights over this one. It's convinced me to create a
formal "terms and conditions" document outlining rights and responsibilities
of a list admin. Unfortunately, dinking with "reply to" is one of those
things that is forcing that issue, because I have a specific site-wide
standard, and once in a while, I have an admin who won't accept that (more
often, they don't remember, and it's unfair to yell at them because they
don't memorize the rules I don't have written down anywhere). I had that
discussion again this week, in fact.

So I'm going to formalize out a document explaining what the standards are,
and what the expectations for a list admin are. And violations like tweaking
frozen values cause admins to get locked out the frist time, repeated
violations will get an admin replaced or the list shut down. Right now, I'm
working on the "trust you to cooperate" mode, and while 95% of them do just
fine, that's just not good enough, and the fights that entail with that
other 5% just aren't constructive.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Very funny, Scotty. Now beam my clothes down here, will you?






From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 10 18:06:12 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple email addresses
References: <x88r8lprmuc.fsf@rpppc1.md.hns.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c1e0a9$a2a93ea0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Subscribe both addresses, set one of the addresses to "no mail" so that it
will not receive posts, but can still submit posts.

This is in the FAQ.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal D. Becker" <nbecker at hns.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple email addresses


> I want to subscribe using my home email address, but also want to be
> able to post messages from work.  If the list is restricted to
> subscribed addresses, how can I do this (or can I do this)?  If not,
> can mailman support an option for email aliases?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From eric at meyerweb.com  Wed Apr 10 18:26:00 2002
From: eric at meyerweb.com (Eric A. Meyer)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:26:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A few minor questions
Message-ID: <v04220822b8da11779a48@[192.168.1.31]>

Hi,

    Since I decided (probably foolishly) to jump into the headers 
debate, now's probably a good time to end my lurking and ask a couple 
of questions that have been nagging at me.

1) Is it possible to include the subscriber's address in the list's 
footer when using the Web interface?  (That is, no source edits or 
command-line options are possible for me.)  For example, I'd like to 
add a line something like "You are subscribed to the list as 
'eric at meyerweb.com'.  I haven't found any documentation of such an 
attribute.

2) Is there a way to offer users, via the Web-based interface, the 
ability to choose whether or not their Reply-To header gets munged? 
I suspect not, but if there's an option variable I can address via 
the options form, I'll be more than happy to hack the HTML to include 
that option.  Having that as an option would let users decide for 
themselves whether or not they consider munging harmful or useful, 
and act accordingly.

3) Similarly, is there a way in the Web-based options interface to 
let users choose whether or not the list's name is prefixed in the 
Subject line?  Some subscribers filter on the list address, but 
others prefer subject-line filters so that offlist correspondence is 
dumped in the same folder (which I find weird, but that's me).  A few 
people have asked if there's a way to set this as an account option, 
and I couldn't find one, so I thought I'd ask you folks.

    And if any of these are answered in the FAQ, could someone give me 
a keyword or two on which to search?  My searches of the FAQ have 
come up dry so far.  Thanks!

--
Eric A. Meyer (eric at meyerweb.com) http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/
Author, "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide" and
"CSS 2.0 Programmer's Reference"  http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/books/




From dreamboy at aros.net  Wed Apr 10 18:38:52 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:38:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Sympa
Message-ID: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNMEAFCKAA.dreamboy@aros.net>

Dear Mailman Users,

I recently have been stuck into a position at work to choose
a better mailinglist manager for work. We are currently using
Majordomo and we want to move away from Majordomo. 

I came across Mailman and I like what it has to offer. The Web
Interface is very nice. I also came across a mailinglist manager
called Sympa which seemed to have a lot more features. 

I was wondering if anyone has compared the two? Any thoughts or
comments would be appreciated.

Devin Atencio




From ajai at ida.bway.net  Wed Apr 10 18:40:55 2002
From: ajai at ida.bway.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:40:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosting
In-Reply-To: <20020410163901.10828.53034.Mailman@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 12:39:01PM -0400
References: <20020410163901.10828.53034.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020410124055.B15373@ida.bway.net>

When installing Mailman, do you need to have separate installations of Mailman
for each domain or is it possible to have one installation shared by all
virtual domain on a server?

-- 
Aj.
Systems Admin. / Web Developer




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Apr 10 19:10:31 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:10:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Sympa
In-Reply-To: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNMEAFCKAA.dreamboy@aros.net>
Message-ID: <B8D9C017.262B9%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 4/10/02 9:38 AM, "Devin Atencio" <dreamboy at aros.net> wrote:


> a better mailinglist manager for work. We are currently using
> Majordomo and we want to move away from Majordomo.

Smart move. Good for its time, very long in the tooth.

> I came across Mailman and I like what it has to offer. The Web
> Interface is very nice. I also came across a mailinglist manager
> called Sympa which seemed to have a lot more features.

When I was evaluating MLM's a couple of years back to move off of majordomo,
I originally chose Sympa. I found a couple of issues in implementing it that
made me rethink the decision, tried Mailman, and I've been quite happy with
it. I won't mention  what the issues were, because I know the Sympa folks
have made major improvements to Sympa since then and I don't know that my
issues are remotely relevant any more.

My point is to note that either MLM can work for you. Sympa is basically my
second choice, and it's a good, solid MLM. The two have somewhat different
philosophies on things, but both have active user and developer populations
and are under solid development and enhancement. Which one you use, I guess,
comes down to which group you feel more comfortable with and which feature
set best meets your needs. If I weren't working with Mailman, I'd be using
Sympa. 


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen
asleep yet.





From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 10 19:21:41 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:21:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Sympa
References: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNMEAFCKAA.dreamboy@aros.net>
Message-ID: <011f01c1e0b4$2e15cbc0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Sympa looks great.  In features and virtual site support it is half a rev
ahead of Mailman. The only real drawback to Sympa seems to be that some of
the support is only in French.

One nice feature of Sympa is that it uses by default Mhonrc as the archiver.

On the other hand, Mailman is much easier to setup and administer.  If you
are moving from Majordomo, then you'll probably feel right at home using
Sympa.  The setup and administration are similar.  Also both are written in
Perl.
Mailman is written in Python, and is designed to be a web-based application.

On the whole, I'll stay with Mailman.  Not only do I like Python better, but
the web-based admin makes it extremely easy for me to off-load list
management to other folks less technically inclined than myself.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Atencio" <dreamboy at aros.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:38 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Sympa


>
> Dear Mailman Users,
>
> I recently have been stuck into a position at work to choose
> a better mailinglist manager for work. We are currently using
> Majordomo and we want to move away from Majordomo.
>
> I came across Mailman and I like what it has to offer. The Web
> Interface is very nice. I also came across a mailinglist manager
> called Sympa which seemed to have a lot more features.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has compared the two? Any thoughts or
> comments would be appreciated.
>
> Devin Atencio
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jblackwell at dis.umsmed.edu  Wed Apr 10 19:34:24 2002
From: jblackwell at dis.umsmed.edu (James Blackwell)
Date: 10 Apr 2002 12:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Including from field in body
Message-ID: <1018460064.30806.31.camel@pc67-246>

Greetings,

We've got mailman set up here and it's working great.  However, we've
had a request that I am unable to fullfill.  Maybe someone can either
point me in the right direction, or at least tell me that it isn't
possible in mailman.

They want the From address to always be the address of the mailing list
and have the actual From address prepended to the body of the message. 
I can partially accomplish the first part of this by selecting "Hide the
sender of a message" but it puts from as
"listname-admin at uglyhostname.ourdomain.com" rather than from
listname at mailman.ourdomain.com  and I don't see a variable I can stick
in the "Header added to mail sent to regular list members" that would
put the from address in there.

Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.

-- 

Thanks,
--James






From matt at interlynx.net  Wed Apr 10 21:12:18 2002
From: matt at interlynx.net (Matt Lavergne)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:12:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help pls
Message-ID: <000c01c1e0c3$a3985ac0$3809b7d1@interlynx.net>

ok, 

I am setting up mailman 2.0.8 on a freeBSD 4.4 system and when the wrapper is run by teh system (./wrapper post listname) it returns this error

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)

I am pretty sure that this is a simple thing to fix but i am dumbfounded as to what i need to do. 

any help would be great


Matt Lavergne
Tech Support
Interlynx Internet
905-524-5969 x229
1-888-658-5969 x229
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From bnoecker at jabber.com  Wed Apr 10 21:14:40 2002
From: bnoecker at jabber.com (Brian Noecker)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:14:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
Message-ID: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C148003ADA28A@ossex1.corp.webb.net>

Ok, totally new to mailman, but giving it a try.  Currently I have version
2.0.9 runnig on Linux.  The install seemed to work fine.  The ./check_perms
reports things are fine.  I have mailman running as mailman, with group
mailman.  I have a web server running under a different www-data account.  

I think I have some permission issues however, for I tend to see the
following error pop up in different places.  Most notably, when a new user
signs up, they get a "Subscription results" page confirming their sign up,
but with the following at the bottom.
----------------
Content-type: text/html 
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.9
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 
-------------------

In the logs I see:


Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Delivery exception: 
Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process
    mlist.Lock()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
    raise AlreadyLockedError
AlreadyLockedError: 

Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 admin(21776):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(21776): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.9 -----]
admin(21776): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(21776): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(21776):     main()
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 77, in
main
admin(21776):     mlist.Save()
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save
admin(21776):     self.__save(dict)
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in __save
admin(21776):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
admin(21776): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(21776): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08)  [GCC
egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-
admin(21776): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(21776): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(21776): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(21776): sys.path       = /usr
admin(21776): sys.platform   = linux-i386
---------------------------------------------------------------------

I see the OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted error pop up in other
places as well.

Ideas to get me started?




From matt at interlynx.net  Wed Apr 10 21:23:52 2002
From: matt at interlynx.net (Matt Lavergne)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:23:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me #2
Message-ID: <002d01c1e0c5$3fa45d00$3809b7d1@interlynx.net>

not sure the last email went through .... gave me some odd error

ok,

I am setting up mailman 2.0.8 on a freeBSD 4.4 system and when the wrapper
is run by teh system (./wrapper post listname) it returns this error

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)

I am pretty sure that this is a simple thing to fix but i am dumbfounded as
to what i need to do.

any help would be great


Matt Lavergne
Tech Support
Interlynx Internet
905-524-5969 x229
1-888-658-5969 x229





From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 10 22:07:02 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
Message-ID: <20020410200702.64058.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Is there a way i can suppress the following lines from
the "Welcome to the "XXXX" mailing list" message ?

I am using the list for outgoing notifications only
and have made all posts require list admin approval
but I would still like to keep anyone from thinking it
may be possible.

> To post to this list, send your email to:

>  XXXX at YYYY.org

Thanks,
Moshe

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
http://taxes.yahoo.com/




From bnoecker at jabber.com  Wed Apr 10 22:17:05 2002
From: bnoecker at jabber.com (Brian Noecker)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:17:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me #2
Message-ID: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C148003ADA28B@ossex1.corp.webb.net>

I just saw this error when I was attempting to manually run one of the
scripts that accepts incoming post, subscriptions, etc. (for the users
defined in /etc/aliases) as the root user:

Apr 10 10:26:15 development Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?) 

Is your mail running gid 1?  Did you compile with the --with-mail-gid set to
1?

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Lavergne [mailto:matt at interlynx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me #2


not sure the last email went through .... gave me some odd error

ok,

I am setting up mailman 2.0.8 on a freeBSD 4.4 system and when the wrapper
is run by teh system (./wrapper post listname) it returns this error

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)

I am pretty sure that this is a simple thing to fix but i am dumbfounded as
to what i need to do.

any help would be great


Matt Lavergne
Tech Support
Interlynx Internet
905-524-5969 x229
1-888-658-5969 x229



------------------------------------------------------
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Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From bnoecker at jabber.com  Wed Apr 10 22:24:02 2002
From: bnoecker at jabber.com (Brian Noecker)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:24:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
Message-ID: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C148003ADA28C@ossex1.corp.webb.net>

Update on this:

Seems that the problems with the "admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation
not permitted" error stem from the following observations:

the /opt/mailman/lists and /opt/mailman/lists/test/config.db file has
permissions and ownership as such:
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      3072 Apr 10 13:48 test
&
-rw-rw----    1 mailman mailman      3392 Apr 10 13:48 config.db
-rw-rw----    1 www-data mailman      3391 Apr 10 13:47 config.db.last
-rw-rw----    1 www-data mailman      3029 Apr 10 11:47
config.db.tmp.development.corp.jabber.com.21024

Now, as you can see, the config.db.tmp.... files are being created everytime
I make a change that effects the config.db.  The temp file is written by the
www user and looks as if it needs to be re-written as the config.db, but
can't.  We tried chmod 777 on config.db, but no luck.  We then tried chown
www-data.mailman config.db and then it worked fine.

I don't understand why this process is failing.  We have another mailman
install that keeps the mailman.mailman permissions on config.db and works
fine.  

Can anyone explain this, or how the process should work?

thanks,
Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Noecker [mailto:bnoecker at jabber.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:15 PM
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question


Ok, totally new to mailman, but giving it a try.  Currently I have version
2.0.9 runnig on Linux.  The install seemed to work fine.  The ./check_perms
reports things are fine.  I have mailman running as mailman, with group
mailman.  I have a web server running under a different www-data account.  

I think I have some permission issues however, for I tend to see the
following error pop up in different places.  Most notably, when a new user
signs up, they get a "Subscription results" page confirming their sign up,
but with the following at the bottom.
----------------
Content-type: text/html 
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.9
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 
-------------------

In the logs I see:


Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Delivery exception: 
Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 (21776) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process
    mlist.Lock()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
    raise AlreadyLockedError
AlreadyLockedError: 

Apr 10 12:56:55 2002 admin(21776):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(21776): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.9 -----]
admin(21776): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(21776): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(21776):     main()
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 77, in
main
admin(21776):     mlist.Save()
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save
admin(21776):     self.__save(dict)
admin(21776):   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in __save
admin(21776):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
admin(21776): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(21776): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Dec 21 2000, 15:29:08)  [GCC
egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-
admin(21776): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(21776): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(21776): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(21776): sys.path       = /usr
admin(21776): sys.platform   = linux-i386
---------------------------------------------------------------------

I see the OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted error pop up in other
places as well.

Ideas to get me started?


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From philip at cinesite.com  Wed Apr 10 22:22:23 2002
From: philip at cinesite.com (Philip Rowe)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:22:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple emails to lists
Message-ID: <3CB49EFF.9060804@cinesite.com>

Hey,

I've been going through the documentation in order to stop
Mailman from sending multiple emails to users for lists that
contain another list name.

I've added this into my mm_cfg.py file:

DEFAULT_UMBRELLA_LIST = 1

But I believe this only works for new lists not for existing lists?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

-- 
philip rowe
323.468.4412
senior systems administrator


God is busy... may I help you?






From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 10 23:07:41 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:07:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
References: <20020410200702.64058.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <018501c1e0d3$c08b9920$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Web-admin.  Set "send welcome message" to No. It won't send out a welcome
message then.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Moshe Kaye" <jotd2k at yahoo.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?


> Hi all,
>
> Is there a way i can suppress the following lines from
> the "Welcome to the "XXXX" mailing list" message ?
>
> I am using the list for outgoing notifications only
> and have made all posts require list admin approval
> but I would still like to keep anyone from thinking it
> may be possible.
>
> > To post to this list, send your email to:
>
> >  XXXX at YYYY.org
>
> Thanks,
> Moshe
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 10 23:12:16 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:12:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
In-Reply-To: <018501c1e0d3$c08b9920$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020410211216.72028.qmail@web20514.mail.yahoo.com>

Jon,

Thanks for your reply ! How about if I still want the
welcome message but want to change the wording ? Where
does that welcome message template live ?

Thanks again,
Moshe


--- Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> wrote:
> Web-admin.  Set "send welcome message" to No. It
> won't send out a welcome
> message then.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Moshe Kaye" <jotd2k at yahoo.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:07 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is there a way i can suppress the following lines
> from
> > the "Welcome to the "XXXX" mailing list" message ?
> >
> > I am using the list for outgoing notifications
> only
> > and have made all posts require list admin
> approval
> > but I would still like to keep anyone from
> thinking it
> > may be possible.
> >
> > > To post to this list, send your email to:
> >
> > >  XXXX at YYYY.org
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Moshe
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
> > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
> >
>
------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> >
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 


__________________________________________________
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From matt at interlynx.net  Wed Apr 10 23:22:37 2002
From: matt at interlynx.net (Matt Lavergne)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:22:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: help me #2
Message-ID: <009b01c1e0d5$d66e6720$3809b7d1@interlynx.net>

hey guys, 

just a quick thanks to everyone whom replied to me. Its working now.

Thanks a million


Matt Lavergne
Tech Support
Interlynx Internet
905-524-5969 x229
1-888-658-5969 x229





From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 10 23:28:56 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:28:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
References: <20020410211216.72028.qmail@web20514.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <019701c1e0d6$b86ae180$0b04010a@JCARNES>

~mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt

There is also a published work-around for sending different Welcome message
templates for different groups. You can find it either via Google or by
scanning the archives.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Moshe Kaye" <jotd2k at yahoo.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Cc: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?


> Jon,
>
> Thanks for your reply ! How about if I still want the
> welcome message but want to change the wording ? Where
> does that welcome message template live ?
>
> Thanks again,
> Moshe
>
>
> --- Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> wrote:
> > Web-admin.  Set "send welcome message" to No. It
> > won't send out a welcome
> > message then.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Moshe Kaye" <jotd2k at yahoo.com>
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:07 PM
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Is there a way i can suppress the following lines
> > from
> > > the "Welcome to the "XXXX" mailing list" message ?
> > >
> > > I am using the list for outgoing notifications
> > only
> > > and have made all posts require list admin
> > approval
> > > but I would still like to keep anyone from
> > thinking it
> > > may be possible.
> > >
> > > > To post to this list, send your email to:
> > >
> > > >  XXXX at YYYY.org
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Moshe
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
> > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > >
> >
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ:
> > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Apr 11 00:14:40 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:14:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Including from field in body
In-Reply-To: <1018460064.30806.31.camel@pc67-246>
References: <1018460064.30806.31.camel@pc67-246>
Message-ID: <20020410221440.GG4553@hq.newdream.net>

James Blackwell wrote:
 
> We've got mailman set up here and it's working great.  However, we've
> had a request that I am unable to fullfill.  Maybe someone can either
> point me in the right direction, or at least tell me that it isn't
> possible in mailman.

one possibility would be to use procmail or another mail filter type
thingie to modify the headers before piping the message to mailman.
there may be an easier way to do this, but that's the only way i can
think of.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Apr 11 00:50:51 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <200204091332.g39DWFi28717@rszemeti.demon.co.uk>; from robin@rszemeti.demon.co.uk on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:32:14PM +0100
References: <20020408163823.97202.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> <200204091332.g39DWFi28717@rszemeti.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020410175051.B3280@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:32:14PM +0100, robin szemeti wrote:
> if you and a couple of others have this great 'problem' with headers (which 
> are not normally seen unless you specifically ask for 'all headers' in your 
> mail client anyway [1])

Depends on the MUA.  The great source of annoyance, IIRC, is Eudora,
which apparently defaults to showing all headers except those that
are specifically excluded.  (Interestingly enough, that's also how
I've configured mutt on all my accounts.  It's often amusing to see
the things that some people add to their headers...)

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss




From gleblanc at linuxweasel.com  Thu Apr 11 05:04:39 2002
From: gleblanc at linuxweasel.com (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: 10 Apr 2002 20:04:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nested lists and List-Post
Message-ID: <1018494280.2514.16.camel@peecee>

Hi folks!  I've been doing some poking around, trying to figure out some
more of the intricacies of nested-lists.  According to the way that I'm
reading RFC 2369's section on "Supporting Nested Lists", whether or not
List-Post is re-written should be configurable.

My current configuration has a single umbrella list, which has 2 other
lists as members.  All posting is done through the umbrella list, so I'd
like to keep the List-Post headers pointing to that list.

Anybody have a solution for how to get this accomplished?  Thanks,
	Greg

-- 
Portland, Oregon, USA.





From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Thu Apr 11 05:47:37 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:47:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410234715.00b3c720@mail.ulmschneiders.com>

Can someone assist in fixing my install?

I was trying to get SSL working and in attempting that I moved my "data" 
Directory and played with the permissions.
My install has stopped working. Can someone tell me where the data 
directory is supposed to live? I thought it was in
/var/www - but I'm not to sure anymore.

Also - how can I reset the permissions back to the defaults form the install??

Thanks

Dene 





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr 11 07:30:48 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:30:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A few minor questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Eric A. Meyer" <eric@meyerweb.com> 
   of "Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:26:00 EDT." <v04220822b8da11779a48@[192.168.1.31]> 
References: <v04220822b8da11779a48@[192.168.1.31]> 
Message-ID: <1779.1018503048@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:26:00 -0400 
Eric A Meyer <eric at meyerweb.com> wrote:

> 1) Is it possible to include the subscriber's address in the list's
> footer when using the Web interface?  (That is, no source edits or
> command-line options are possible for me.)  For example, I'd like to
> add a line something like "You are subscribed to the list as
> 'eric at meyerweb.com'.  I haven't found any documentation of such an
> attribute.

Not in 2.0, marginally possible in 2.1 (I haven't checked the details,
but it would come in as part of the VERP supports if so).

> 2) Is there a way to offer users, via the Web-based interface, the
> ability to choose whether or not their Reply-To header gets munged? 

No.

2.1 adds a number of variant settings for Reply-To, encluding having the
list append to any extant Reply-To rather than just replacing it.

> 3) Similarly, is there a way in the Web-based options interface to let
> users choose whether or not the list's name is prefixed in the Subject
> line?  

No.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr 11 07:31:34 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosting 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ajai Khattri <ajai@ida.bway.net> 
   of "Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:40:55 EDT." <20020410124055.B15373@ida.bway.net> 
References: <20020410163901.10828.53034.Mailman@mail.python.org>  <20020410124055.B15373@ida.bway.net> 
Message-ID: <1794.1018503094@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:40:55 -0400 
Ajai Khattri <ajai at ida.bway.net> wrote:

> When installing Mailman, do you need to have separate installations of
> Mailman for each domain or is it possible to have one installation
> shared by all virtual domain on a server?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Short story:

  A single installation is fine as long as list names don't collide.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr 11 07:33:23 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:33:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need help pls 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Matt Lavergne" <matt@interlynx.net> 
   of "Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:12:18 EDT." <000c01c1e0c3$a3985ac0$3809b7d1@interlynx.net> 
References: <000c01c1e0c3$a3985ac0$3809b7d1@interlynx.net> 
Message-ID: <1806.1018503203@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:12:18 -0400 
Matt Lavergne <matt at interlynx.net> wrote:

> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take
> 0?)

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr 11 09:41:06 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:41:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dene Ulmschneider <dene@ulmschneiders.com> 
   of "Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:47:37 EDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20020410234715.00b3c720@mail.ulmschneiders.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410234715.00b3c720@mail.ulmschneiders.com> 
Message-ID: <4557.1018510866@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:47:37 -0400 
Dene Ulmschneider <dene at ulmschneiders.com> wrote:

> Can someone assist in fixing my install?  I was trying to get SSL
> working and in attempting that I moved my "data" Directory and played
> with the permissions.  My install has stopped working. Can someone
> tell me where the data directory is supposed to live? I thought it was
> in /var/www - but I'm not to sure anymore.

~mailman/data

> Also - how can I reset the permissions back to the defaults form the
> install??

~mailman/bin/check_perms

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Thu Apr 11 12:35:27 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:35:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosting
In-Reply-To: <1794.1018503094@kanga.nu>
References: <20020410163901.10828.53034.Mailman@mail.python.org> <20020410124055.B15373@ida.bway.net> <1794.1018503094@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20020411103527.GA13963@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:31:34PM -0700,
 J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> wrote 
 a message of 27 lines which said:

> Please see the FAQ:
> 
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Remember that there is absoutely no pointer to this second FAQ, from
Mailman's official home page...
 
> Short story:
> 
>   A single installation is fine as long as list names don't collide.

Which means it does not work. Can you imagine
postfix/qmail/sendmail/whatever saying, "we support virtual addresses,
as long as the names are different"?

See the thread ""True" virtual domains".





From francois at chenais.net  Thu Apr 11 12:38:20 2002
From: francois at chenais.net (François Chenais)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:38:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing datas in config.db
Message-ID: <20020411123820.46e72638.francois@chenais.net>

Hello, 

	I would like to change datas in config.db file

	specialy transform

	  'archive_directory': '/opt/mailman/archives/private/detente',
 	  'private_archive_file_dir': '/opt/mailman/archives/private/detente.mbox',
  	  'public_archive_file_dir': '/opt/mailman/archives/public',

	to 

	  'archive_directory': '/var/mailman/archives/private/detente',
 	  'private_archive_file_dir': '/var/mailman/archives/private/detente.mbox',
  	  'public_archive_file_dir': '/var/mailman/archives/public',



	In fact, I have transfered my list datas from a server to another.
	On the new one, the admin web interface  /mailman/admin shows me 
	my  "detente" list but the 
		- /mailman/listinfo            doesn't work
		- /mailman/listinfo/detente    works

	
	Perhaps it's because of the path in config.db.
	Any idea ?

	Thanks a lot.

		Fran?ois



-- 
Woody 3.0
Linux tanna 2.4.14 #3 SMP Thu Dec 6 14:04:03 CET 2001 i686 unknown



 

	





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Apr 11 13:10:21 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:10:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
In-Reply-To: <3CB49B8D.368.346701@localhost>
References: <3CB49B8D.368.346701@localhost>
Message-ID: <200204111107.HAA09476@salsa.haht.com>

 --- Original Message: Wednesday 10 April 2002 08:07 pm ---
> Jon,
>
> Can you help me find the reference to the work around as the only
> post i found(see below) is a post from Greg Stein in 1999 stating
> that it can't be done but I am hopeful something has been updated.
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-April/001072.html
>
> Thanks,
> Moshe

Well that's ridiculous!  I can think of a work-around right now (without 
having even glanced at the code).

Find the section of mailman that sends out the Message and add a conditional. 
Something like, 
  if welcome.<listname>.txt exists welcome.fil = welcome.<listname>.txt 
  else welcome.fil = welcome.txt

Then simply put in a custom welcome file for any list that you want.  This 
works for any of the other files you want to use in Mailman as well.

I'll see if I can find the official work-around.  If not, I'll look at the 
code and see if I can pinpoint it for you quickly.

Jon Carnes




From joseph.wheatley at starpower.net  Thu Apr 11 13:33:00 2002
From: joseph.wheatley at starpower.net (Joseph Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-only lists--how to create them??
Message-ID: <000a01c1e14c$a4879e80$ee763bd0@cable.rcn.com>

I'm new to MailMan, and have really enjoyed it, but I've been unable to set-up a read-only mailing list.

Are there any installation preferences that I must select to get one started?

Thank you for your time and assistance.

Kind regards,
Joe Wheatley
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From hicking at du.gtn.com  Thu Apr 11 14:08:17 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:08:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Override From header?
Message-ID: <618851331.1018534097@mahi.du.gtn.com>

Is it possible to override the From: header of postings?
For an announcement-only list I'd like to have the message
to apear to come from the list itself or from a default
adress.

Any hints?

TIA,
Marcel




From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Thu Apr 11 14:19:17 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:19:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Override From header?
In-Reply-To: <618851331.1018534097@mahi.du.gtn.com>
References: <618851331.1018534097@mahi.du.gtn.com>
Message-ID: <200204111419.17051.r2d2@yebo.co.za>

Go to "Privacy Options" Right at the bottom set the"Hide the sender of a 
message" option to yes.

l8r
JvdW

On Thursday 11 April 2002 14:08, Marcel Hicking wrote:
> Is it possible to override the From: header of postings?
> For an announcement-only list I'd like to have the message
> to apear to come from the list itself or from a default
> adress.
>
> Any hints?
>
> TIA,
> Marcel
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From hicking at du.gtn.com  Thu Apr 11 14:54:42 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:54:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Override From header?
In-Reply-To: <200204111419.17051.r2d2@yebo.co.za>
References: <200204111419.17051.r2d2@yebo.co.za>
Message-ID: <621636686.1018536882@mahi.du.gtn.com>

Thx!
It's on the spam filter page in 2.1b1.
Not quite where I expected it ;-)

Marcel

--On Donnerstag, 11. April 2002 14:19 +0200 JvdW <r2d2 at yebo.co.za> wrote:

> Go to "Privacy Options" Right at the bottom set the"Hide the sender of a
> message" option to yes.
>
> l8r
> JvdW
>
> On Thursday 11 April 2002 14:08, Marcel Hicking wrote:
>> Is it possible to override the From: header of postings?
>> For an announcement-only list I'd like to have the message
>> to apear to come from the list itself or from a default
>> adress.
>>
>> Any hints?
>>
>> TIA,
>> Marcel
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




-- 
Marcel Hicking
VIA NET.WORKS Deutschland GmbH
Bismarckstrasse 120, D-47057 Duisburg
Geschaeftsfuehrung: Ray D. Samuelson, Matt Nydell
Amtsgericht Duisburg, HRB 7672

Phone: +49 203-3093 100, Fax:+49 203-3093 112
e-mail: m.hicking at vianetworks.de
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From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 11 15:30:06 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:30:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
In-Reply-To: <200204111107.HAA09476@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <20020411133006.7425.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com>

Jon,

Thank you !

As i am just learning Linux/mailman I would appreciate
it if you could tell me what file I need to edit. I
already fixed the list specific HTML pages but I am
unsure where to put that change and would rather not
hack without knowing what I am hacking.

Thanks,
Moshe

> 
> Well that's ridiculous!  I can think of a
> work-around right now (without 
> having even glanced at the code).
> 
> Find the section of mailman that sends out the
> Message and add a conditional. 
> Something like, 
>   if welcome.<listname>.txt exists welcome.fil =
> welcome.<listname>.txt 
>   else welcome.fil = welcome.txt
> 
> Then simply put in a custom welcome file for any
> list that you want.  This 
> works for any of the other files you want to use in
> Mailman as well.
> 
> I'll see if I can find the official work-around.  If
> not, I'll look at the 
> code and see if I can pinpoint it for you quickly.
> 
> Jon Carnes


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From mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk  Thu Apr 11 15:33:11 2002
From: mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk (mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:33:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
Message-ID: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D4AB@RADBUKSDNT15>

don't you change the html via the web interface?

> unsure where to put that change and would rather not
> hack without knowing what I am hacking.

*************



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From hicking at du.gtn.com  Thu Apr 11 16:43:38 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:43:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Override From header?
In-Reply-To: <200204111419.17051.r2d2@yebo.co.za>
References: <200204111419.17051.r2d2@yebo.co.za>
Message-ID: <628172995.1018543418@mahi.du.gtn.com>

One more question on this topic:
Any chance to remove other headers
like X-Mailer, Received etc. as well?
Maybe something like a "header kill filter"
in a "before send to list" handler ?

TIA,
Marcel


--On Donnerstag, 11. April 2002 14:19 +0200 JvdW <r2d2 at yebo.co.za> wrote:

> Go to "Privacy Options" Right at the bottom set the"Hide the sender of a
> message" option to yes.
>
> l8r
> JvdW
>
> On Thursday 11 April 2002 14:08, Marcel Hicking wrote:
>> Is it possible to override the From: header of postings?
>> For an announcement-only list I'd like to have the message
>> to apear to come from the list itself or from a default
>> adress.
>>
>> Any hints?
>>
>> TIA,
>> Marcel
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>




-- 
Marcel Hicking
VIA NET.WORKS Deutschland GmbH
Bismarckstrasse 120, D-47057 Duisburg
Geschaeftsfuehrung: Ray D. Samuelson, Matt Nydell
Amtsgericht Duisburg, HRB 7672

Phone: +49 203-3093 100, Fax:+49 203-3093 112
e-mail: m.hicking at vianetworks.de
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From mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk  Thu Apr 11 16:49:32 2002
From: mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk (mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:49:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Override From header?
Message-ID: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D4B2@RADBUKSDNT15>

can't you do this with your mta? i have exim and in the smtp transport
section i just have a few remove-header lines. and a few add-header lines
too, for the people how are too nosey for their own good!

> One more question on this topic:
> Any chance to remove other headers
> like X-Mailer, Received etc. as well?
> Maybe something like a "header kill filter"
> in a "before send to list" handler ?


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From hicking at du.gtn.com  Thu Apr 11 17:01:59 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:01:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Override From header?
In-Reply-To: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D4B2@RADBUKSDNT15>
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D4B2@RADBUKSDNT15>
Message-ID: <629274048.1018544519@mahi.du.gtn.com>

Ah, yes, interetsing idea, I'll check this!

Thx,
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> can't you do this with your mta? i have exim and in the smtp transport
> section i just have a few remove-header lines. and a few add-header lines
> too, for the people how are too nosey for their own good!
>
>> One more question on this topic:
>> Any chance to remove other headers
>> like X-Mailer, Received etc. as well?
>> Maybe something like a "header kill filter"
>> in a "before send to list" handler ?
>
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From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 11 17:06:10 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:06:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?
In-Reply-To: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D4AB@RADBUKSDNT15>
Message-ID: <20020411150610.26165.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com>

Mark,

yes ! I made the HTML change without a problem. I am
trying to modify the "Welcome To" email that is sent
to new subscribers so that is is list specific.

Moshe

--- mark.l.johnson at barclays.co.uk wrote:
> don't you change the html via the web interface?
> 
>






From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr 11 17:32:27 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:32:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosting 
In-Reply-To: Message from Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@netaktiv.com> 
   of "Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:35:27 +0200." <20020411103527.GA13963@staff.netaktiv.com> 
References: <20020410163901.10828.53034.Mailman@mail.python.org> <20020410124055.B15373@ida.bway.net> <1794.1018503094@kanga.nu>  <20020411103527.GA13963@staff.netaktiv.com> 
Message-ID: <9250.1018539147@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:35:27 +0200 
Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:31:34PM -0700, J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu>
> wrote a message of 27 lines which said:

>> Please see the FAQ:
>> 
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> Remember that there is absoutely no pointer to this second FAQ, from
> Mailman's official home page...

True, however that URL is present in the footer added to every -users
message
 
>> A single installation is fine as long as list names don't collide.

> Which means it does not work. 

That rather depends on what you want to do with virtual domains.

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From sjsobol at roisupply.com  Thu Apr 11 18:11:21 2002
From: sjsobol at roisupply.com (Steven Sobol)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:11:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members
Message-ID: <320568C9A9586E4F97F427648CD8DB32FA12@moo.acclink.com>

If using add_members and typing in a list of addresses on stdin,
how do you specify end of list? EOF/ctrl-D doesn't work for some
reason. (weird!)


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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Apr 11 18:28:51 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:28:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the Welcome message on a per list basis... a shot in the dark
References: <20020411133006.7425.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005601c1e175$f7574740$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Okay, here is the deal...

 - You can simply change the text in subscribeack.txt and you are done.
This changes every welcome message from every list, or

 - You can edit the file ~mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py and change the
following block of text so that it will check for an existence of an
alternative file to 'subscribeack.txt':
===
        # get the text from the template
        text = Utils.maketext(
            'subscribeack.txt',
            {'real_name'   : self.real_name,
             'host_name'   : self.host_name,
             'welcome'     : welcome,
             'emailaddr'   : self.GetListEmail(),
             'listinfo_url': self.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1),
             'optionsurl'  : self.GetOptionsURL(name, absolute=1),
             'password'    : password,
             })
===

The following function added to Deliverer.py may help..."
===
def specwelcome(listname):
    """Return special welcome file for `listname' if it exists."""
    # If a special subscibeack.txt file exists in the lists home directory
    # use that instead of the normal one specified in the templates dir
welcfile = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, listname, 'subscribeack.txt')
if not os.path.exists(welcfile):
     welcfile = "subscribeack.txt"
return welcfile
===

This function looks for a copy of the subscribeack.txt file in the lists
home directory (~mailman/lists/<listname>/..).  If it finds a copy then it
uses that, instead of the common one in ~mailman/templates/...
At least, that is what it's supposed to do!

To use it, you would add the function to Deliverer.py and then replace the
existing line (in Deliverer.py):
            'subscribeack.txt',
with something like:
            specwelcome(name),

===

I'm just hacking code together, so this may or may not hose you.  Still its
a start.  Don't be afraid to play with it and get it working just the way
you want!  Python is extremely readable code (unlike perl!).  Remember to
backup any file before you modify it!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Moshe Kaye" <jotd2k at yahoo.com>
To: <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I suppress ?


> Jon,
>
> Thank you !
>
> As i am just learning Linux/mailman I would appreciate
> it if you could tell me what file I need to edit. I
> already fixed the list specific HTML pages but I am
> unsure where to put that change and would rather not
> hack without knowing what I am hacking.
>
> Thanks,
> Moshe
>
> >
> > Well that's ridiculous!  I can think of a
> > work-around right now (without
> > having even glanced at the code).
> >
> > Find the section of mailman that sends out the
> > Message and add a conditional.
> > Something like,
> >   if welcome.<listname>.txt exists welcome.fil =
> > welcome.<listname>.txt
> >   else welcome.fil = welcome.txt
> >
> > Then simply put in a custom welcome file for any
> > list that you want.  This
> > works for any of the other files you want to use in
> > Mailman as well.
> >
> > I'll see if I can find the official work-around.  If
> > not, I'll look at the
> > code and see if I can pinpoint it for you quickly.
> >
> > Jon Carnes
>
>
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From anna at water.ca.gov  Thu Apr 11 19:24:41 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:24:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing datas in config.db 
In-Reply-To: <20020411160005.8158.5235.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020411102441.00ac2390@storm>

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From esisler at westminster.lib.co.us  Thu Apr 11 20:12:37 2002
From: esisler at westminster.lib.co.us (Eric Sisler)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:12:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the Welcome message on a per list
  basis... a shot in the dark
In-Reply-To: <005601c1e175$f7574740$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <20020411133006.7425.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020411120502.00a111c0@127.0.0.1>

At 12:28 PM 04/11/2002 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:

>Okay, here is the deal...
>
>  - You can simply change the text in subscribeack.txt and you are done.
>This changes every welcome message from every list, or

[snip]

>def specwelcome(listname):
>     """Return special welcome file for `listname' if it exists."""
>     # If a special subscibeack.txt file exists in the lists home directory
>     # use that instead of the normal one specified in the templates dir
>welcfile = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, listname, 'subscribeack.txt')
>if not os.path.exists(welcfile):
>      welcfile = "subscribeack.txt"
>return welcfile
>===
>
>This function looks for a copy of the subscribeack.txt file in the lists
>home directory (~mailman/lists/<listname>/..).  If it finds a copy then it
>uses that, instead of the common one in ~mailman/templates/...
>At least, that is what it's supposed to do!

Have you gotten this snippet of code to work?  I tried and it bombed, 
although I know very little about python so I may have done something 
wrong.  I haven't changed the following line yet:

>To use it, you would add the function to Deliverer.py and then replace the
>existing line (in Deliverer.py):
>             'subscribeack.txt',
>with something like:
>             specwelcome(name),

Another solution would be to edit subscribeack.txt to include just text 
that should be sent to *every* list and add your own text to the "list 
specific text prepended..." box on the general options page.  I'm 
considering doing this to prevent the "to post to the list..." text & 
accompanying e-mail address from being included in the welcome message for 
announce only lists.  The trick will be remembering to add the necessary 
text and list address to lists that do accept posts!

-Eric


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Applications Specialist
Westminster Public Library
Westminster, CO USA

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From kroc at ashes-to-ashes.org  Thu Apr 11 20:16:56 2002
From: kroc at ashes-to-ashes.org (Kroc)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Problem???
Message-ID: <01dd01c1e185$10a42f60$19a07c3f@tlnoc.net>

I have a small problem.  I rebuilt sendmail over the weekend to include RBL and poprelyd.  My mailing lists were working prior to the reconfiguration; however, now when anyone tries to post they get the following error.  

The original message was received at Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:18:49 -0500
from [63.124.160.25]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/lib/apache/htdocs/ashes-to-ashes.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post list"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <list at ashes-to-ashes.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
554 5.3.0 "|/var/lib/apache/htdocs/ashes-to-ashes.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post list"... unknown mailer error 2

People can still sign-up w/out a problem but no one can post.  I have been searching all over, but I can't seem to find the answer.  It replies w/ the following attatchment as well, when it gives the failed mail.

Reporting-MTA: dns; ns2eb2.tri-lakes.net

Received-From-MTA: DNS; [63.124.160.25]

Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:02:38 -0500

Final-Recipient: RFC822; list at ashes-to-ashes.org

X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/var/lib/apache/htdocs/ashes-to-ashes.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post list

Action: failed

Status: 5.0.0

Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 2

Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:02:38 -0500



Thanks for the help.



Ben

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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Apr 11 21:12:27 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:12:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the Welcome message on a per list  basis... a shot in the dark
References: <20020411133006.7425.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020411120502.00a111c0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <011501c1e18c$d1d34700$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Thanks for testing it!  I'll give it a  run tonight myself and tweak it.
Shouldn't be too hard to make it work, though it might work better if I used
a file in the ~mailman/templates/.. directory. It also doesn't need to be a
function - I just thought I would get fancy.

It should be easy to play with and get it to work..
===
I grepped the ~mailman/Mailman/.. dir for subscribeack.txt and found it in
the file Deliverer.py.  Then I peeked at the code in Deliverer.py and saw
that it was a simple import of the text from the file (and then a
translation of some dynamic variables from the text).

So I thought of replacing the default filename with a function call and
having the function return either the default file name (subscribeack.txt),
or a different list specific file name (if it existed).

I hacked it together in email.  Never tested it.  It's not something I'm
likely to use.

I normally don't worry about the welcome message.  For my purposes, if it is
inappropriate, I don't send a welcome message out.

Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Sisler" <esisler at westminster.lib.co.us>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] changing the Welcome message on a per list
basis... a shot in the dark


> At 12:28 PM 04/11/2002 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
>
> >Okay, here is the deal...
> >
> >  - You can simply change the text in subscribeack.txt and you are done.
> >This changes every welcome message from every list, or
>
> [snip]
>
> >def specwelcome(listname):
> >     """Return special welcome file for `listname' if it exists."""
> >     # If a special subscibeack.txt file exists in the lists home
directory
> >     # use that instead of the normal one specified in the templates dir
> >welcfile = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, listname,
'subscribeack.txt')
> >if not os.path.exists(welcfile):
> >      welcfile = "subscribeack.txt"
> >return welcfile
> >===
> >
> >This function looks for a copy of the subscribeack.txt file in the lists
> >home directory (~mailman/lists/<listname>/..).  If it finds a copy then
it
> >uses that, instead of the common one in ~mailman/templates/...
> >At least, that is what it's supposed to do!
>
> Have you gotten this snippet of code to work?  I tried and it bombed,
> although I know very little about python so I may have done something
> wrong.  I haven't changed the following line yet:
>
> >To use it, you would add the function to Deliverer.py and then replace
the
> >existing line (in Deliverer.py):
> >             'subscribeack.txt',
> >with something like:
> >             specwelcome(name),
>
> Another solution would be to edit subscribeack.txt to include just text
> that should be sent to *every* list and add your own text to the "list
> specific text prepended..." box on the general options page.  I'm
> considering doing this to prevent the "to post to the list..." text &
> accompanying e-mail address from being included in the welcome message for
> announce only lists.  The trick will be remembering to add the necessary
> text and list address to lists that do accept posts!
>
> -Eric
>
>
> Eric Sisler <esisler at westminster.lib.co.us>
> Applications Specialist
> Westminster Public Library
> Westminster, CO USA
>
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From esisler at westminster.lib.co.us  Thu Apr 11 21:40:58 2002
From: esisler at westminster.lib.co.us (Eric Sisler)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:40:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the Welcome message on a per list
   basis... a shot in the dark
In-Reply-To: <011501c1e18c$d1d34700$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <20020411133006.7425.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020411120502.00a111c0@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020411133415.00a194b0@127.0.0.1>

At 03:12 PM 04/11/2002 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:

>Thanks for testing it!  I'll give it a  run tonight myself and tweak it.

Thanks for the sample code.  If I knew more about python I'd try and fix it 
myself.  (Learning python is on my "list of things to do", I just haven't 
gotten there yet.)  It does tend to hose other mailman functionality, so if 
you don't want to test it on a production mailman box, let me know.  I'm in 
the process of setting up my first list so mailman hasn't gone live yet and 
I'd be happy to test it.

>Shouldn't be too hard to make it work, though it might work better if I used
>a file in the ~mailman/templates/.. directory. It also doesn't need to be a
>function - I just thought I would get fancy.

I was thinking ~/mailman/templates/subscribeack.[list-name].txt might be a 
good location.

>I hacked it together in email.  Never tested it.  It's not something I'm
>likely to use.
>
>I normally don't worry about the welcome message.  For my purposes, if it is
>inappropriate, I don't send a welcome message out.

Then don't spend a lot of time on it, unless you've nothing better to 
do.  ;-)  It'd be nice to have, but I can probably make my earlier 
suggestion re: short subscribeack.txt file and add the rest to the "list 
specific text prepended..." box on the general options page.  AFAIK, you 
can't include html tags though, which could be a drawback.

-Eric


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Applications Specialist
Westminster Public Library
Westminster, CO USA

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From jonas at freesources.org  Thu Apr 11 22:22:51 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:22:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing datas in config.db
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20020411102441.00ac2390@storm>
References: <20020411160005.8158.5235.Mailman@mail.python.org> <3.0.1.32.20020411102441.00ac2390@storm>
Message-ID: <20020411202251.GA5571@jonas.server0.de>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:24:41AM -0700, Anna Fong wrote:
> #!/bin/sh 
> 
> newroot='/var/mailman' 
> 
> for list in `ls $newroot/lists/detente` 

What does this line do? I don't understand it, and also I have no
lists/detente.

Bye
 Jonas

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From jsignalness at btinet.net  Thu Apr 11 22:43:39 2002
From: jsignalness at btinet.net (Jason Signalness)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:43:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_URL, DEFAULT_HOSTNAME
Message-ID: <3CB5F57B.6090801@btinet.net>

I have a problem.  Some of the email being sent out by mailman (password 
reminders, etc.) are coming from an incorrect DEFAULT_URL.

For example, mail has a "from" field of dsl1234.bti.com, which is 
outdated.  It should be set to cyclend.org. The URL they are coming from 
is the same as the one specified in Defaults.py.

The problem is that I have overridden these variables in the mm_cfg.py. 
  For some reason, the values in mm_cfg.py don't seem to be taking affect.

Thanks,

-- 
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Basin Telecommunications, Inc.
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--










From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Thu Apr 11 23:03:42 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:03:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter-list
Message-ID: <20020411230342.B21270@goldfisch.at>

I'd like to set up a mailinglist where only the list-owner can send
messages. It should merely be kind of a "newsletter". Can this be done
easily with mailman or is there much better software to do this ?

thnx,
peter




From erics at rycks.com  Wed Apr 10 08:53:12 2002
From: erics at rycks.com (Eric Seigne)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:53:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to unsubscribe with mailman ?
Message-ID: <20020410065312.GB13143@rycks.com>

Hello World,
i've installed mailman, an today  some users want to unsubscribe ... and
it's impossible by web interface ! 

here is my installation:
view-source:http://lists.abuledu.org/mailman/listinfo/support
and this is a problem:

<form Method=POST ACTION="../roster/support">
<i>The  subscribers list  is  only available  to  the list  members.</i>
<p>Enter  your  address and  password  to  visit  the subscribers  list:
<p><center>  Address: <input type="Text"  name="roster-email" size="20">
Password:         <input         type="Password"        name="roster-pw"
size="15">&nbsp;&nbsp;<input    name="SubscriberRoster"    type="SUBMIT"
value="Visit Subscriber List" ></center>
</form>
<p>
To change your subscription (set options like digest and delivery modes,
get a  reminder of  your password, or  unsubscribe from  support), enter
your   subscription   email   address:<p><center>   <input   name="info"
type="TEXT" value="" size="30" > <input name="UserOptions" type="SUBMIT"
value="Edit Options" ></center>
</form>

(there is no open form tag for last form ...) 

Is there a solution ? 

Thanks
?ric

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From m.hicking at vianetworks.de  Wed Apr 10 13:20:41 2002
From: m.hicking at vianetworks.de (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:20:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Peronalize postings ?
Message-ID: <529597440.1018444841@mahi.du.gtn.com>

Hi folks

Is there a way to personalize postings? I'm thinking of
something like a search and replace within the posted
message. Say, for an "announcement only" list, a message like

|Hello <<name>>
|
|This is an announcement bla bla
|
|To read on, click
|<a href="http://www.somewhere.org/news?id=22&user=<<email>>">here</a>

gets posted and MM replaces <<name>> etc. with the
appropiate values. I know there is a similar feature in 2.1 for
footers, but I'd like to have more flexibility here.
Maybe an addon program to inject postings into the list?

TIA,
Marcel





From hofer at mac.com  Wed Apr 10 18:22:46 2002
From: hofer at mac.com (Hannes Hofer)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:22:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020410111521.0216e8d8@pop.ruf.rice.edu>

Hi

If a user have been subscribed by a list administrator, how does he/she 
obtain a password?

I am the administrator of a list and I initially mass-added the subscribers 
but opted not to send out the "canned" welcome message (I wrote a welcome 
message on my own). Now I am getting complaints that users can not see the 
subscriber list because they don't have a password. I have not been able to 
find anything about this issue in the documentation.

Thanks for your help

Hannes Hofer





From rob at staff.ca.inter.net  Wed Apr 10 18:33:48 2002
From: rob at staff.ca.inter.net (Rob Morin)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:33:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whay are all my messages sitting in the qfiles dir??
Message-ID: <01b301c1e0ad$7dfef730$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>

Hello... all my messages sent to the list I have are sitting in the ~mailman/qfiles dir?
 Why is this?

I have delivery set for immediate not digest...
I am using 2.0.8 and latest Python and Solaris 2.7

any ideas?

Rob Morin(Mr.Legacy)
System Administrator
Montreal, Canada

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From isc2 at infostat.com  Thu Apr 11 02:19:03 2002
From: isc2 at infostat.com (Infostat Staff)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:19:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding bulk members & passwords
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020410201144.02dadd98@mail.infostat.com>

I just moved my mailing list to Mailman and have several hundred members 
without passwords. I added these members in bulk.  Is there an easy way to 
assign them all an initial password that they can then change?  I don't 
want to give them the list admin password.

Thanks!

Chip Harvey





From corporal_pisang at counter-strike.com.my  Thu Apr 11 09:42:08 2002
From: corporal_pisang at counter-strike.com.my (Corporal Pisang)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:42:08 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email subject
Message-ID: <200204111542.23368.corporal_pisang@counter-strike.com.my>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

Is it possible to put the mail number to add to the subject header ? 
eg: [ListName-8999] for the 8999th posting to the list ?? ive seen some 
mailing list doint that ... im wondering whether mailman is capable to do 
such a thing ???

If there are any FAQ explaining this .. please send the url to me...

Please cc me when replying as i dont subscribe to the mailing list.

Thanks...

- -Ubaida-
mailman user
 
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From m.hicking at vianetworks.de  Thu Apr 11 11:15:07 2002
From: m.hicking at vianetworks.de (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:15:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Override From: header ?
Message-ID: <608461591.1018523707@mahi.du.gtn.com>

Hi folks

How do I override the From: header of postings?
For a announcemnet-only list I want the postings
to apear to come from the list.

Any hints?

TIA,
Marcel





From mike at WebEngage.com  Thu Apr 11 20:06:16 2002
From: mike at WebEngage.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:06:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tsk tsk
Message-ID: <NDBBLLFJLBCNOEKEOOBAKEPBDJAA.mike@WebEngage.com>

By the way, Mailman is brought to you by the Mailman cabal with a capital
leading M and a lowercase c leading cabal. It is incorrect to spell it
"Mailman Cabal" (i.e. you should not use StudlyCaps).
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From mike at WebEngage.com  Thu Apr 11 20:06:16 2002
From: mike at WebEngage.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:06:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tsk tsk
Message-ID: <NDBBLLFJLBCNOEKEOOBAKEPBDJAA.mike@WebEngage.com>

By the way, Mailman is brought to you by the Mailman cabal with a capital
leading M and a lowercase c leading cabal. It is incorrect to spell it
"Mailman Cabal" (i.e. you should not use StudlyCaps).
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From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Thu Apr 11 20:16:56 2002
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some items for the Wish list
Message-ID: <OF800C134B.D4C01A25-ON86256B98.00640B6E@na.jci.com>

1) Allow users to change the email address the list is being sent to

2) Add an "expiration date" to membership which, if enabled, will
automatically unsub member after it passes.

If the "to" could be the person it's addressed to that would be good, but
Since I can't think of a clean way to implement that, I'll leave that off
the list.

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
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From virogen at four-twenty.org  Thu Apr 11 21:41:25 2002
From: virogen at four-twenty.org (ViroGen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:41:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Help
Message-ID: <00cd01c1e190$dda8ec20$22c7e60c@C730986A>

I am using RH 7.2, mailman, and sendmail as my MTA. I can get to the
mail list online and am able to signup. When I hit subscribe.. I never
get an email. I see no errors in my mail log.. No entries at all from
mailman in there either. Sendmail is working, I can send a message to
myself.. I get no errors on the page when I try to subscribe. I have
rebuilt the install several times, no luck. Check_perms came up with no
problems...


  
  

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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Apr 11 23:35:33 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Peronalize postings ?
References: <529597440.1018444841@mahi.du.gtn.com>
Message-ID: <01dc01c1e1a0$cfafb3a0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You want ezmlm.  Harder to install and manage, but it does allow you to
personalize each message.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcel Hicking" <m.hicking at vianetworks.de>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:20 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Peronalize postings ?


> Hi folks
>
> Is there a way to personalize postings? I'm thinking of
> something like a search and replace within the posted
> message. Say, for an "announcement only" list, a message like
>
> |Hello <<name>>
> |
> |This is an announcement bla bla
> |
> |To read on, click
> |<a href="http://www.somewhere.org/news?id=22&user=<<email>>">here</a>
>
> gets posted and MM replaces <<name>> etc. with the
> appropiate values. I know there is a similar feature in 2.1 for
> footers, but I'd like to have more flexibility here.
> Maybe an addon program to inject postings into the list?
>
> TIA,
> Marcel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Apr 11 23:38:18 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:38:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password?
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020410111521.0216e8d8@pop.ruf.rice.edu>
Message-ID: <01e401c1e1a1$31c828b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Direct them to go to the listinfo page for the list, enter their email
address at the bottom of the page and press the submit button. On the next
page there is a link to have their password mailed to them.

The default listinfo page is poorly laid out.  Several folks have suggested
much nicer layouts which make it clear what to do if they have forgotten (or
simply don't know) their password.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hannes Hofer" <hofer at mac.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:22 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password?


> Hi
>
> If a user have been subscribed by a list administrator, how does he/she
> obtain a password?
>
> I am the administrator of a list and I initially mass-added the
subscribers
> but opted not to send out the "canned" welcome message (I wrote a welcome
> message on my own). Now I am getting complaints that users can not see the
> subscriber list because they don't have a password. I have not been able
to
> find anything about this issue in the documentation.
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Hannes Hofer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Apr 11 23:40:32 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:40:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email subject
References: <200204111542.23368.corporal_pisang@counter-strike.com.my>
Message-ID: <01f001c1e1a1$81b52080$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Interesting.... It's not available currently, but it should be an easy
hack...

I'll look at that once I get the by-list-welcome hack working.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Corporal Pisang" <corporal_pisang at counter-strike.com.my>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:42 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email subject


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to put the mail number to add to the subject header ?
> eg: [ListName-8999] for the 8999th posting to the list ?? ive seen some
> mailing list doint that ... im wondering whether mailman is capable to do
> such a thing ???
>
> If there are any FAQ explaining this .. please send the url to me...
>
> Please cc me when replying as i dont subscribe to the mailing list.
>
> Thanks...
>
> - -Ubaida-
> mailman user
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAjy1PloACgkQk/fOZsGmdtv62ACfRPROQbin8T/opIvRQ4tP3P1z
> c5gAn1omyHvkFey9OAyoObmpYRSMlxCy
> =wOBr
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Apr 11 23:41:10 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:41:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whay are all my messages sitting in the qfiles dir??
References: <01b301c1e0ad$7dfef730$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>
Message-ID: <020101c1e1a1$985c13c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Because your cron has stopped running.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rob Morin
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:33 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whay are all my messages sitting in the qfiles
dir??


  Hello... all my messages sent to the list I have are sitting in the
~mailman/qfiles dir?
   Why is this?

  I have delivery set for immediate not digest...
  I am using 2.0.8 and latest Python and Solaris 2.7

  any ideas?

  Rob Morin(Mr.Legacy)
  System Administrator
  Montreal, Canada


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From kri at toxeleia.cftri.org  Fri Apr 12 08:17:29 2002
From: kri at toxeleia.cftri.org (Krishna Rao SN)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:47:29 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password help
Message-ID: <NEBBLDLFICBLOMMBBEIEOECEDAAA.kri@toxeleia.cftri.org>

After changing  the List Administrator password from the general page, now I can login with both old as well as new password.

If I change the password using mmsitepass command, it works only with new password.

Any comment?
--Krishna

From kri at toxeleia.cftri.org  Fri Apr 12 14:12:34 2002
From: kri at toxeleia.cftri.org (Krishna Rao SN)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:42:34 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Help
Message-ID: <200204121212.RAA25854@toxeleia.cftri.org>

After changing  the List Administrator password from the general page, now I can login with both old as well as new password.

If I change the password using mmsitepass command, it works only with new password.

Any comment?
--Krishna




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Apr 11 21:35:51 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
In-Reply-To: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C148003ADA28C@ossex1.corp.webb.net>; from bnoecker@jabber.com on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 02:24:02PM -0600
References: <8D96EDA0AC04D31197B400A0C96C148003ADA28C@ossex1.corp.webb.net>
Message-ID: <20020411123551.D21313@merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 02:24:02PM -0600, Brian Noecker wrote:
> Update on this:
> 
> Seems that the problems with the "admin(21776): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation
> not permitted" error stem from the following observations:
> 
> the /opt/mailman/lists and /opt/mailman/lists/test/config.db file has
> permissions and ownership as such:
> drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      3072 Apr 10 13:48 test
> &
> -rw-rw----    1 mailman mailman      3392 Apr 10 13:48 config.db
> -rw-rw----    1 www-data mailman      3391 Apr 10 13:47 config.db.last
> -rw-rw----    1 www-data mailman      3029 Apr 10 11:47
> config.db.tmp.development.corp.jabber.com.21024
> 
> Now, as you can see, the config.db.tmp.... files are being created everytime
> I make a change that effects the config.db.  The temp file is written by the

Are you running any secure linux kernel with restricted hardlinks?

If so, see README.linux and the script to fix this in crontrib (in the main
source tree)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Apr 11 21:39:22 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:39:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple emails to lists
In-Reply-To: <3CB49EFF.9060804@cinesite.com>; from philip@cinesite.com on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:22:23PM -0700
References: <3CB49EFF.9060804@cinesite.com>
Message-ID: <20020411123922.E21313@merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:22:23PM -0700, Philip Rowe wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I've been going through the documentation in order to stop
> Mailman from sending multiple emails to users for lists that
> contain another list name.

You cannot do this with mailman 2.0
Mailman 2.1  could almost do this,  but is missing the  duplicate Message-ID
tracking patch from Ben (he's still supposed  to work on it :-D), so for now
you can't do it either.

You can  use procmail on  the receipient side,  or reorganize your  lists to
avoid dupes (hierachical lists)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Apr 12 10:55:03 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:55:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_URL, DEFAULT_HOSTNAME
In-Reply-To: <3CB5F57B.6090801@btinet.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412094943.033fa488@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:43 11/04/2002 -0500, Jason Signalness wrote:

>I have a problem.  Some of the email being sent out by mailman (password 
>reminders, etc.) are coming from an incorrect DEFAULT_URL.
>
>For example, mail has a "from" field of dsl1234.bti.com, which is 
>outdated.  It should be set to cyclend.org. The URL they are coming from 
>is the same as the one specified in Defaults.py.
>
>The problem is that I have overridden these variables in the 
>mm_cfg.py.  For some reason, the values in mm_cfg.py don't seem to be 
>taking affect.
>
>Thanks,

Assuming MM 2.0.x: Checking and possibly changing the last field (Base URL 
for Mailman web interface) on the General Options page of the web GUI for 
the list concerned may help; just heed the warning in the detailed 
explanation for the field. I think the url and hostname used in respect of 
a list are extracted dynamically from this list attribute and the value it 
has is set at list creation time to the values obtained from 
mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py. I believe that subsequent changes in 
mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py values do not affect existing lists.





From francois at chenais.net  Fri Apr 12 11:14:54 2002
From: francois at chenais.net (=?ISO-8859-1?B?RnJhbkg=?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:14:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing datas in config.db
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20020411102441.00ac2390@storm>
References: <20020411160005.8158.5235.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<3.0.1.32.20020411102441.00ac2390@storm>
Message-ID: <20020412111454.52e7092f.francois@chenais.net>

Works fine (with many console messages :-).
Thanks a lot Anna.

But my problem steel there :-|

I don't see the list detente in the web listinfo uri :-|

	Fran?ois 


On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:24:41 -0700
Anna Fong <anna at water.ca.gov> wrote:

> Fran?ois,
> 
> 
> Try this from 
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-August/002009.html
> 
> 
> 




From lists at mmf.at  Fri Apr 12 14:09:46 2002
From: lists at mmf.at (Erich Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:09:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to localize in a shared server environment?
Message-ID: <009a01c1e21a$f0df7d10$0100a8c0@quetzalcoatl>

I'm on a shared server with no root access where the provider has set up
Mailman 2.0.8 for use with CPANEL 4.0.

I have created a read-only newsletter-type mailing list in this
configuration and want now to localize all the pages, default mails and
messages with direct user relevance (confirmation, welcome,
reminder-password, etc.) to German language and also partially adapt
them by dropping some options which we need not to give the users. And
as I do this for a customer, I want also translate and adapt the
Membership Management Page of the admin-interface too.

My questions:

1. While editing the HTML-code of the public pages, I see that I have to
replace most of the mailman propriety tags with direct references, as
some of them produce English output and/or do not fit into my formatting
scheme. The new pages seem to work, but I wonder if they won't break
when the hosting company decides to update Mailman to the next release,
as direct URI reference might perhaps change.

2. I can not or only partially change the confirmation, welcome,
reminder, etc. messages by prepending some text to them. Is it possible
to fully localize them and how is it done?

3. I see the last item on the General Options page of the admin
interface is 'Base URL for Mailman web interface'. Can I use this option
to move the pages of the web interface into the user space of my
account? I have probably sufficient Linux knowledge to do a full
installation of Mailman on our development server, if I need direct
access to some of the files to copy them, while I cannot even read them
in the shared environment.

4. Or is it possible to install a localized, or even better multilingual
version of the full Mailman package parallel to the server-wide
installation without help of the hosting company?

Regards,
Erich
--
Erich Schreiber
MultiMediaForge








From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Apr 12 14:58:45 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:58:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Help
In-Reply-To: <200204121212.RAA25854@toxeleia.cftri.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412135344.033ec880@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 17:42 12/04/2002 +0530, Krishna Rao SN wrote:
>After changing  the List Administrator password from the general page, now 
>I can login with both old as well as new password.
>
>If I change the password using mmsitepass command, it works only with new 
>password.
>
>Any comment?
>--Krishna

And that is because:

1. there is a site password, which is set or changed using mmsitepass command.

2. in addition, every list has its own list admin password which is set by 
the newlist command and can be changed through the web GUI.

The site password can be used in place of a list admin password to access 
the admin web GUI page for any list whereas the per list password only 
works for the particular list it is associated with.





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Apr 12 15:53:32 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 12 Apr 2002 15:53:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help please, user unknown error!
In-Reply-To: "manoj"'s message of "Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:01:06 -0800"
References: <NGBBKNPCBMJEGAMIPMBDKEBBCNAA.manoj@rii.ricoh.com>
Message-ID: <DieMessageIdStehtImHeaderUndBrauchtNichtInDieEinleitungszeileUebernommenWerden.m3pu15rpk3.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"manoj" <manoj at rii.ricoh.com> writes:


[...]


> When I am hitting reply to this mail, I am getting this error:
>
> The original message was received at Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:09:04 -0800 (PST)
> from manoj.crc.ricoh.com [192.20.11.142]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <dhscompman-request at rii.ricoh.com>
> dhscompman-request at yellow.crc.ricoh.com
>     (expanded from: <dhscompman-request at rii.ricoh.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 550 dhscompman-request at yellow.crc.ricoh.com  ... User unknown
> 550 <dhscompman-request at rii.ricoh.com>... User unknown
> 
> 
> I made alias on my /etc/aliases file like this.

Did you have rebuild the database after editing your /etc/aliases with
newaliases?


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Apr 12 15:59:31 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 12 Apr 2002 15:59:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newsletter-list
In-Reply-To: pilsl@goldfisch.at's message of "Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:03:42 +0200"
References: <20020411230342.B21270@goldfisch.at>
Message-ID: <DieMessageIdStehtImHeaderUndBrauchtNichtInDieEinleitungszeileUebernommenWerden.m3lmbtrpa4.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

pilsl at goldfisch.at writes:

> I'd like to set up a mailinglist where only the list-owner can send
> messages. It should merely be kind of a "newsletter". Can this be done
> easily with mailman or is there much better software to do this ?

Yes you can. Take a look at the Privacy Options site.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com  Fri Apr 12 16:19:09 2002
From: Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com (Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:19:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email access to archives, MIME troubles
Message-ID: <OF2FC0C434.34CE6043-ON86256B99.004E3A23@na.jci.com>

The list I have set up includes attachments (usually PDF files and binary
database files) and when downloaded via the web link on the archives page,
they come out as a text stream with the MIME-encoded attachments within it.

Is there a way to allow access to the attachments via the web interface
without forcing the victim to do the MIME decoding?

Also, is there a way to interact with the list archives via email, such as
with a "get xxx" command, with xxx being the name of the particular
archive?

Have fun,
Arlen
Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department
DNRC 224

Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com
----------------------------------------------
In God we trust; all others must provide data.
----------------------------------------------
Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.
If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.





From mailman at spambox.dk  Fri Apr 12 17:25:05 2002
From: mailman at spambox.dk (Henrik Larsson)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:25:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regards site email and title in 2.1b1
Message-ID: <1018625105.3cb6fc513ca35@ssl.larsson.it>

On the main listinfo page there is a line like this:
Send questions or comments to mailman at www.foo.bar

I know that i can change the part before the "@", but the part after is defined 
by the url the user enters the site.

Is there a way to change this to mailman at foo.bar, even if the user enters the 
website with www.foo.bar?

The website title also changes if you enters the page with foo.bar or 
www.foo.bar!

Is it possible to allways set the title to: www.foo.bar Mailing Lists

Best regards Henrik







From ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in  Fri Apr 12 17:34:33 2002
From: ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:04:33 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists with some specialization..
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412094943.033fa488@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204122055110.15809-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>

Hi,

I have been successful in creating read-only lists by using
the privacy options. However, I noticed that from such lists
the listmembers can unsubscribe thru the web interface.

Can I somehow change this option so that members can not leave
(captive audience ??) on their own ?

Thanks for your attention. Pl reply to me directly. I will post
a summary.

--ajit

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From rlove at slcdug.org  Fri Apr 12 17:37:28 2002
From: rlove at slcdug.org (Robert Love)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:37:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME Encoding in Digest
Message-ID: <000a01c1e237$f473e840$c0bf0142@lovehome>

I can not find a way to make mime messages in the digest apear as plain text like the other messages.

Is there a way?  Also does anyone know if MonArch handles this if Mailman does not?

Looking at sourceforge it looks like this might be a upcomming feature of 2.1 is this correct?

Thanks!
---
Robert Love
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From alex at laplaza.org  Fri Apr 12 17:44:36 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:44:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <3130CCC6-4E2C-11D6-8A87-0003936A14BE@laplaza.org>

After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new 
archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to 
mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went 
in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get 
created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun 
Solaris 7)

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
     ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in 
ChangeOptions
     lst.Save()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save
     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
     breaklink(pubdir)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in 
breaklink
     reraise()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in 
breaklink
     os.unlink(link)
OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone'



Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents?

I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman.

In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems 
kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup 
copy.


Response appreciated



Alex Chavez  | System Admin
La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org
Taos.  New Mexico  |  505.758.1836





From anna at water.ca.gov  Fri Apr 12 18:31:28 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:31:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing datas in config.db
In-Reply-To: <20020411211901.31061.1811.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020412093128.00ad1100@storm>

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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 12 18:41:39 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:41:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Problem??? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Kroc" <kroc@ashes-to-ashes.org> 
   of "Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:16:56 CDT." <01dd01c1e185$10a42f60$19a07c3f@tlnoc.net> 
References: <01dd01c1e185$10a42f60$19a07c3f@tlnoc.net> 
Message-ID: <29088.1018629699@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:16:56 -0500 
kroc  <kroc at ashes-to-ashes.org> wrote:

>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/var/lib/apache/htdocs/ashes-to-ashes.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> list" (reason: 2) (expanded from: <list at ashes-to-ashes.org>)

>    ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Failure to exec
> script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)  554 5.3.0
> "|/var/lib/apache/htdocs/ashes-to-ashes.org/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> list"... unknown mailer error 2

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 12 18:43:00 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:43:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whay are all my messages sitting in the qfiles dir?? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Rob Morin" <rob@staff.ca.inter.net> 
   of "Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:33:48 EDT." <01b301c1e0ad$7dfef730$df5fbfcc@roblaptop> 
References: <01b301c1e0ad$7dfef730$df5fbfcc@roblaptop> 
Message-ID: <29104.1018629780@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:33:48 -0400 
Rob Morin <rob at staff.ca.inter.net> wrote:

> Hello... all my messages sent to the list I have are sitting in the
> ~mailman/qfiles dir?  Why is this?

You haven't installed the necessary cronjobs.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 12 18:44:16 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding bulk members & passwords 
In-Reply-To: Message from Infostat Staff <isc2@infostat.com> 
   of "Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:19:03 EDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020410201144.02dadd98@mail.infostat.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020410201144.02dadd98@mail.infostat.com> 
Message-ID: <29113.1018629856@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:19:03 -0400 
Infostat Staff <isc2 at infostat.com> wrote:

> I just moved my mailing list to Mailman and have several hundred
> members without passwords. I added these members in bulk.  

They have automatically generated random passwords.  They can request a
copy of their password from the list's page.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 12 18:48:21 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:48:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email access to archives, MIME troubles 
In-Reply-To: Message from Arlen.P.Walker@jci.com 
   of "Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:19:09 CDT." <OF2FC0C434.34CE6043-ON86256B99.004E3A23@na.jci.com> 
References: <OF2FC0C434.34CE6043-ON86256B99.004E3A23@na.jci.com> 
Message-ID: <29372.1018630101@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:19:09 -0500 
Arlen P Walker <Arlen.P.Walker at jci.com> wrote:

> The list I have set up includes attachments (usually PDF files and
> binary database files) and when downloaded via the web link on the
> archives page, they come out as a text stream with the MIME-encoded
> attachments within it.

> Is there a way to allow access to the attachments via the web
> interface without forcing the victim to do the MIME decoding?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> Also, is there a way to interact with the list archives via email,
> such as with a "get xxx" command, with xxx being the name of the
> particular archive?

Not currently and not planned that I know of.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Fri Apr 12 18:26:32 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists with some specialization..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204122055110.15809-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac
 .in>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412094943.033fa488@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020412112512.0268f040@paulsfunhouse.com>

I would hope that this is NOT available and is NEVER made available!  The 
option to unsubscribe should always be there for the subscriber....no 
matter what the list owner may think!

JMHO

Paul

At 10:29 AM 12/04/02, ajit k jena wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have been successful in creating read-only lists by using
>the privacy options. However, I noticed that from such lists
>the listmembers can unsubscribe thru the web interface.
>
>Can I somehow change this option so that members can not leave
>(captive audience ??) on their own ?
>
>Thanks for your attention. Pl reply to me directly. I will post
>a summary.
>
>--ajit





From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 12 19:07:39 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:07:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists with some specialization.. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Croft <paul@paulsfunhouse.com> 
   of "Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:26:32 CDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020412112512.0268f040@paulsfunhouse.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412094943.033fa488@pop.ftel.co.uk>  <5.1.0.14.0.20020412112512.0268f040@paulsfunhouse.com> 
Message-ID: <29891.1018631259@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:26:32 -0500 
Paul Croft <paul at paulsfunhouse.com> wrote:

> I would hope that this is NOT available and is NEVER made available!
> The option to unsubscribe should always be there for the
> subscriber....no matter what the list owner may think!

Captive audience lists are needed/required in various business setups.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From matt at interlynx.net  Fri Apr 12 19:21:19 2002
From: matt at interlynx.net (Matt Lavergne)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:21:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists with some specialization..
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412094943.033fa488@pop.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020412112512.0268f040@paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <020f01c1e246$75f0fbc0$3809b7d1@interlynx.net>

Yes,
But you must remember that for some setups Ie: the setup I am currently
working on where we use the list as a notification tool for changed and
updates to corpret hosting and access solutions.


Matt Lavergne
Tech Support
Interlynx Internet
905-524-5969 x229
1-888-658-5969 x229
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Croft" <paul at paulsfunhouse.com>
To: <ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists with some specialization..


> I would hope that this is NOT available and is NEVER made available!  The
> option to unsubscribe should always be there for the subscriber....no
> matter what the list owner may think!
>
> JMHO
>
> Paul
>
> At 10:29 AM 12/04/02, ajit k jena wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have been successful in creating read-only lists by using
> >the privacy options. However, I noticed that from such lists
> >the listmembers can unsubscribe thru the web interface.
> >
> >Can I somehow change this option so that members can not leave
> >(captive audience ??) on their own ?
> >
> >Thanks for your attention. Pl reply to me directly. I will post
> >a summary.
> >
> >--ajit
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From alex at laplaza.org  Fri Apr 12 20:15:53 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:15:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
Message-ID: <5365E7B4-4E41-11D6-8E15-0003936A14BE@laplaza.org>

After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new 
archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to 
mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went 
in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get 
created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun 
Solaris 7)

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
     ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in 
ChangeOptions
     lst.Save()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save
     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
     breaklink(pubdir)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in 
breaklink
     reraise()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in 
breaklink
     os.unlink(link)
OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone'



Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents?

I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman.

In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems 
kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup 
copy.


Response appreciated



Alex Chavez  | System Admin
La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org
Taos.  New Mexico  |  505.758.1836





From rlove at slcdug.org  Fri Apr 12 20:26:37 2002
From: rlove at slcdug.org (Robert Love)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:26:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
References: <5365E7B4-4E41-11D6-8E15-0003936A14BE@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <004601c1e24f$95d1e860$c0bf0142@lovehome>

Alex,

The files should be owned by mailman from your $Prefix (/usr/local/mailman)
directory run.

 bin/check_perms -f

This will list any permission problems you may have.

Robert Love



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Chavez" <alex at laplaza.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links


> After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new
> archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to
> mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went
> in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get
> created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun
> Solaris 7)
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>      main()
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
>      ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in
> ChangeOptions
>      lst.Save()
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save
>      self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in
> CheckHTMLArchiveDir
>      breaklink(pubdir)
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in
> breaklink
>      reraise()
>    File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in
> breaklink
>      os.unlink(link)
> OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone'
>
>
>
> Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents?
>
> I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman.
>
> In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems
> kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup
> copy.
>
>
> Response appreciated
>
>
>
> Alex Chavez  | System Admin
> La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org
> Taos.  New Mexico  |  505.758.1836
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 12 21:00:54 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:00:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
In-Reply-To: <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <011001c1dffc$763768e0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <200204121858.OAA05430@salsa.haht.com>

Here is the final list stats script.  If you use this script as is, then you 
should run the script just before rotating your Mailman log files.

If you want to run it right after rotating your log files, and your log files 
rotate by adding a .1 to the end of post (so the rotated file would be 
"post.1") then simply change the line:
  POST= ...
and point it to your rotated log file.

Any suggestions or modifications are welcome,

Jon Carnes

====

#! /bin/bash
# Run monthly stats on Meeting maker logs
#  - top 10 users of each list
#  - Number of attempted posts (per list)
#  - Number of Successful posts (per list)
#  - Total bytes sent (per list)
#
POST=~mailman/logs/post

echo "Stats from local Mailman lists:"
  echo -n "   Starting:  "
  head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d "
  echo -n "   Ending:    "
  tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d "
LIST="`/home/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' |sed -n '2,$p'`"
echo " "
for i in $LIST
do
  echo ====== $i ======
  echo -n "Total posts to the list: "
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |wc -l
  echo -n "Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: "
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |grep success |wc -l
  SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
  k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done; echo "  Total bytes" = $k
  echo " "
  echo "Top 10 posters to the list:"
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c \
     |sort -bgr |head -10
  echo " "
done




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 12 22:56:21 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics - sent to list admins
In-Reply-To: <200204121858.OAA05430@salsa.haht.com>
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <200204121858.OAA05430@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <200204122053.QAA09512@salsa.haht.com>

Alright so I modified it right away.  I forgot that originally they wanted to 
mail off the stats to each list admin...

This script lists out certain stats for each list and sends those stats to 
each list admin (and the mailman user).
=== begin script: mm_stats ===
#! /bin/bash
# Run monthly stats on Mailman logs
# Mail stats to each lists admin
#  - Number of attempted posts
#  - Number of Successful posts
#  - Total bytes sent 
#  - top 10 users of each list
#
# Mailman's log file to be examined for stats
POST=~mailman/logs/post

# create temp file to collect stats
TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XXXXXX` || exit 1

LIST="`/home/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' |sed -n '2,$p'`"
for i in $LIST
do
  echo "Stats from local Mailman list: $i" > $TMPFILE
  echo " "  >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "   Starting:  " >> $TMPFILE
  head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "   Ending:    " >> $TMPFILE
  tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d " >> $TMPFILE
  echo " ===" >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "Total posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |wc -l >> $TMPFILE
  echo -n "Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: " >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |grep success |wc -l >> $TMPFILE
  SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
  k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
  echo "  Total bytes" = $k >> $TMPFILE
  echo " "  >> $TMPFILE
  echo "Top 10 posters to the list:" >> $TMPFILE
  grep -i "post to $i " $POST |cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c \
     |sort -bgr |head -10 >> $TMPFILE
  echo " " >> $TMPFILE
  # Mail the collected stats off to the list admin and cc the mailman user
  mail -s "Mailman Stats for List: $i" -c mailman $i-admin <$TMPFILE
done

# remove the temp file
rm $TMPFILE
=== end script: mm_stats ===

The script dumps out the names of all the local Mailman lists and then runs 
through the POST log for each list.  It dumps the stats out to a temp file 
and at the end, emails the contents of the temp file to the list admins (and 
cc's the mailman user).

Unlike some of my other scribblings to the list, this script is tested and 
actually works!  Use it as your own risk, etc...

Again, any suggestions and modifications are welcome.  

Jon Carnes

 --- Original Message: Friday 12 April 2002 03:00 pm ---
> Here is the final list stats script.  If you use this script as is, then
> you should run the script just before rotating your Mailman log files.
>
> If you want to run it right after rotating your log files, and your log
> files rotate by adding a .1 to the end of post (so the rotated file would
> be "post.1") then simply change the line:
>   POST= ...
> and point it to your rotated log file.
>
> Any suggestions or modifications are welcome,
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> ====
>
> #! /bin/bash
> # Run monthly stats on Mailman logs
> #  - top 10 users of each list
> #  - Number of attempted posts (per list)
> #  - Number of Successful posts (per list)
> #  - Total bytes sent (per list)
> #
> POST=~mailman/logs/post
>
> echo "Stats from local Mailman lists:"
>   echo -n "   Starting:  "
>   head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d "
>   echo -n "   Ending:    "
>   tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 "-d "
> LIST="`/home/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' |sed -n '2,$p'`"
> echo " "
> for i in $LIST
> do
>   echo ====== $i ======
>   echo -n "Total posts to the list: "
>   grep -i "post to $i " $POST |wc -l
>   echo -n "Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: "
>   grep -i "post to $i " $POST |grep success |wc -l
>   SIZ=`grep -i "post to $i" $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
>   k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done; echo "  Total bytes" = $k
>   echo " "
>   echo "Top 10 posters to the list:"
>   grep -i "post to $i " $POST |cut -f 10 "-d " |sort |uniq -c \
>
>      |sort -bgr |head -10
>
>   echo " "
> done
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Apr 12 23:28:07 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:28:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists with some specialization..
In-Reply-To: <29891.1018631259@kanga.nu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412094943.033fa488@pop.ftel.co.uk> 
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020412112512.0268f040@paulsfunhouse.com>
 <29891.1018631259@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <p05101503b8dd0147f911@[207.149.192.229]>

At 10:07 -0700 4/12/2002, J C Lawrence wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:26:32 -0500
>Paul Croft <paul at paulsfunhouse.com> wrote:
>
>> I would hope that this is NOT available and is NEVER made available!
>> The option to unsubscribe should always be there for the
>> subscriber....no matter what the list owner may think!
>
>Captive audience lists are needed/required in various business setups.

>From which one unsubscribes by resigning.  Or is that "one resigns by
unsubscribing"?

  --John
-- 
John Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA, USA
I am NOT out of the office.  I will respond if and when I get around to it.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 12 23:35:12 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:35:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
In-Reply-To: <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <200204122132.RAA10816@salsa.haht.com>

Login as root or mailman on your local server

Take the latest script and cut and paste it into a file in /usr/local/sbin/.. 
I called my file "mm_stats".  The latest script is in an earlier email to the 
list.

Next make the new file executable:
  chmod a+x /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats

Now run the file once to test it:
  /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats

You should see no output, and after a few seconds a prompt will come back.  
In a few minutes your mailman user and all your list admins should recieve a 
message indicating the current stats for their lists.

If you rotate your Mailman logs, then run this script (via cron) just before 
you rotate the logs.  If you don't rotate your logs, then look at the FAQ and 
start to do so! <otherwise your logs will grow and grow and grow...>

I've set my logs to rotate on the 1st of every month at 4am.  So I would set 
this script to run at 3:59 am on the 1st of the month:
  su mailman
  crontab -e
    59  3  1  *  *  /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats


 --- Original Message: Wednesday 10 April 2002 05:12 am ---
> Hi,
>
> Can be added that a list-owner gets this via a mail and also the site-admin
> gets a mail?
> How to implement the code? just cut and paste the code in
> /etc/cron.weekly/mailman-stats ?
>
> Danny.
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 12 23:43:04 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:43:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only lists with some specialization..
In-Reply-To: <p05101503b8dd0147f911@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412094943.033fa488@pop.ftel.co.uk> <29891.1018631259@kanga.nu> <p05101503b8dd0147f911@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <200204122140.RAA11016@salsa.haht.com>

At one clients, I do this for their corporate lists.  They add users using a 
script (which If they would pay me, I would make into a web-app).  The script 
modifies a text file which is then synced to the Mailman list hourly. 

"Sync_members" is one of the commands in ~mailman/bin/..

So why use Mailman?  All these lists are moderated and only certain folks can 
post to them without permission, also they already use Mailman for other 
lists and have it installed.

 




From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Apr 13 00:12:41 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:12:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200204122132.RAA10816@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <003801c1e26f$2a4385c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>

Did cut an paste the script.
Did modify some paths (Mine was already installed at /var/mailman (RH7.2))

> Next make the new file executable:
>   chmod a+x /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats

Done.

> Now run the file once to test it:
>   /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats

bash: /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats: bad interpreter: No such file or directory


> You should see no output, and after a few seconds a prompt will come back.

What do i wrong?

Danny Terweij.






From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Sat Apr 13 00:28:04 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:28:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers dont get mail
Message-ID: <20020413002804.B15792@goldfisch.at>

after installing mailman I created a testlist. Configuring via web
works just fine and I added my self as first user. I also can send a
mail and my maillog tells me that the mail was delivered to the
wrapper and .. nothing more.
 I dont receive the mail and it even seems that the mail isnt
processed by mailman, because the archive-symlink (that is established
when the first message is posted) is still not working and
archives/public/test.mbox/ is still emtpy ...

I dont know where to start troubleshooting.  There is no event in the
syslog and no mail in the mailq (dont even know if mailman uses my
local mailer or has its own mailer) 

check_perms dont give any troubles and all files under $prefix are
owned by mailman:mailman


what can my problem be and where can I start troubleshooting ?

thnx,
peter


ps: my sendmail-log
Apr 13 00:17:22 alpha sendmail[16128]: g3CMHMUu016128: to=test at mailman.goldfisch.at, ctladdr=pilsl at goldfisch.at (200/200), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30285, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (g3CMHMaJ016131 Message accepted for delivery)
Apr 13 00:17:22 alpha sendmail[16137]: g3CMHMaJ016131: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", ctladdr=<test at mailman.goldfisch.at> (2/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30070, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent




From ajai at ida.bway.net  Sat Apr 13 00:46:11 2002
From: ajai at ida.bway.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:46:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail+vpopmail+mailman = non-working mailing list solution
In-Reply-To: <20020412213556.12591.78878.Mailman@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 05:35:56PM -0400
References: <20020412213556.12591.78878.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020412184611.A1722@ida.bway.net>

Has anybody here used mailman with qmail+vpopmail?

Im wondering how I do I set up the aliases in vpopmail such that mailman
scripts process incoming messages for the mailing list addresses?

-- 
Aj.
Systems Admin. / Web Developer




From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 13 03:17:56 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Force /mailman/admin to use SSL ?
Message-ID: <3CB74F04.31913.13AFE9F@localhost>

Hi all,

I have enabled SSL on my web site and I would like to know how i can cause anyone that accesses 
http://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/ to default to the SSL enabled page (https://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/) ?

Thanks,
Moshe






From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Apr 13 03:23:21 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:23:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Force /mailman/admin to use SSL ?
In-Reply-To: <3CB74F04.31913.13AFE9F@localhost>
References: <3CB74F04.31913.13AFE9F@localhost>
Message-ID: <20020413012321.GF9615@hq.newdream.net>

Mark Moshe Kaye wrote:
> 
> I have enabled SSL on my web site and I would like to know how i can
> cause anyone that accesses http://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/ to
> default to the SSL enabled page (https://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/) ?

this is more a webserver configuration issue than a mailman issue.  if
you're using apache, you could probably use mod_rewrite to do this;
there are a number of ways of doing what you ask.  i'd suggest asking
this in a forum for whatever webserver software you're using.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 13 04:14:30 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:14:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Force /mailman/admin to use SSL ?
In-Reply-To: <20020413012321.GF9615@hq.newdream.net>
References: <3CB74F04.31913.13AFE9F@localhost>
Message-ID: <3CB75C46.15864.16EC889@localhost>

Will,

Thanks. I figured it out by creating some apache rules in httpd.conf

Please email me @  jotd2k at yahoo.com if you also need this solution as 
it is off topic.

Have a good weekend,
Moshe

On 12 Apr 2002 at 18:23, Will Yardley wrote:

> this is more a webserver configuration issue than a mailman issue.  if
> you're using apache, you could probably use mod_rewrite to do this;
> there are a number of ways of doing what you ask.  i'd suggest asking
> this in a forum for whatever webserver software you're using.
> 
> -- 
> Will Yardley
> input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >
===========================================================
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Courage to walk past the computer without turning it on when
I'm running late for work, And the wisdom to know the difference
between "come to bed now"  meaning "lets have some fun"
and "come to bed NOW" meaning that computer has got to go!!

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 13 05:15:55 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:15:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Force /mailman/admin to use SSL ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Mark Moshe Kaye" <jotd2k@yahoo.com> 
   of "Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:17:56 EDT." <3CB74F04.31913.13AFE9F@localhost> 
References: <3CB74F04.31913.13AFE9F@localhost> 
Message-ID: <7233.1018667755@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:17:56 -0400 
Mark Moshe Kaye <jotd2k at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all, I have enabled SSL on my web site and I would like to know how
> i can cause anyone that accesses http://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/ to
> default to the SSL enabled page (https://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/) ?

Use a redirect under Apache, its quite simple.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 13 05:16:54 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:16:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Force /mailman/admin to use SSL ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Mark Moshe Kaye" <jotd2k@yahoo.com> 
   of "Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:17:56 EDT." <3CB74F04.31913.13AFE9F@localhost> 
References: <3CB74F04.31913.13AFE9F@localhost> 
Message-ID: <7246.1018667814@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:17:56 -0400 
Mark Moshe Kaye <jotd2k at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all, I have enabled SSL on my web site and I would like to know how
> i can cause anyone that accesses http://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/ to
> default to the SSL enabled page (https://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/) ?

Actually, I should have written:

  Use a Rewrite rule under Apache, it really is quite simple.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Apr 13 08:54:20 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:54:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
In-Reply-To: <003801c1e26f$2a4385c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <200204122132.RAA10816@salsa.haht.com> <003801c1e26f$2a4385c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <200204130651.CAA19694@salsa.haht.com>

 
> > Now run the file once to test it:
> >   /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats
>
> bash: /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
>
> > You should see no output, and after a few seconds a prompt will come
> > back.
>
> What do i wrong?
>
> Danny Terweij.

You my friend do not have bash!  Are you running on Solaris?  I'll have to 
check the script to see if work right on Solaris.  I wrote it on Linux.

In the meantime, you can try changing the first line of the script to:
#! /bin/sh

The first line controls which shell runs the script.  I love bash, and 
fortunately for me, most other folks do too, so it's on a huge number of 
machines.  The only boxes I program on that don't have bash on them by 
default are Solaris boxen.  Go figure.

Don't worry about experimenting with the script.  It only writes to a file in 
/tmp/.. The rest of the script is a bunch of reads, etc.

Let me know what happens!

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Apr 13 09:05:02 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:05:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers dont get mail
In-Reply-To: <20020413002804.B15792@goldfisch.at>
References: <20020413002804.B15792@goldfisch.at>
Message-ID: <200204130702.DAA19801@salsa.haht.com>

Install the crontab entries.  If they are installed, make sure that cron is 
running.  If cron is running, look in the crontab for the exact syntax on 
running "qrunner" and run it by hand.

Report any errors you have, along with the version of Mailman you are 
running, and any relevant log entries (~mailman/logs/...)

 --- Original Message: Friday 12 April 2002 06:28 pm ---
> after installing mailman I created a testlist. Configuring via web
> works just fine and I added my self as first user. I also can send a
> mail and my maillog tells me that the mail was delivered to the
> wrapper and .. nothing more.
>  I dont receive the mail and it even seems that the mail isnt
> processed by mailman, because the archive-symlink (that is established
> when the first message is posted) is still not working and
> archives/public/test.mbox/ is still emtpy ...
>
> I dont know where to start troubleshooting.  There is no event in the
> syslog and no mail in the mailq (dont even know if mailman uses my
> local mailer or has its own mailer)
>
> check_perms dont give any troubles and all files under $prefix are
> owned by mailman:mailman
>
>
> what can my problem be and where can I start troubleshooting ?
>
> thnx,
> peter
>
>
> ps: my sendmail-log
> Apr 13 00:17:22 alpha sendmail[16128]: g3CMHMUu016128:
> to=test at mailman.goldfisch.at, ctladdr=pilsl at goldfisch.at (200/200),
> delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30285, relay=localhost
> [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (g3CMHMaJ016131 Message accepted for
> delivery) Apr 13 00:17:22 alpha sendmail[16137]: g3CMHMaJ016131:
> to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test",
> ctladdr=<test at mailman.goldfisch.at> (2/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
> mailer=prog, pri=30070, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jonas at freesources.org  Sat Apr 13 11:58:42 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:58:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing datas in config.db
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20020412093128.00ad1100@storm>
References: <20020411211901.31061.1811.Mailman@mail.python.org> <3.0.1.32.20020412093128.00ad1100@storm>
Message-ID: <20020413095842.GA1717@jonas.server0.de>

On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:31:28AM -0700, Anna Fong wrote:
> Francois has a list called 'detente' and before I really looked closely 
> at the script I threw that in there. 
> 
> In Francois' case and mine, the script would work better if we removed 
> the `do' loop as we are only trying to update one list, not the entire 
> group of lists in ~/lists/ 
> 
> So the script should be modified to read: 

I only have chanded this line:
for list in `ls $newroot/lists`.
Now it updates every list, but this doesn't hurd.

Bye 
 Jonas

-- 
My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?




From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Apr 13 12:59:04 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:59:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <200204122132.RAA10816@salsa.haht.com> <003801c1e26f$2a4385c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200204130651.CAA19694@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <024801c1e2da$39e2d740$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>

> > bash: /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats: bad interpreter: No such file or
directory

> You my friend do not have bash!  Are you running on Solaris?  I'll have to
> check the script to see if work right on Solaris.  I wrote it on Linux.

Hi, i did a mistake.. i edited the script at Windows notepad..... And put it
at my homedir though Samba.
Later i edit it with pico and it worked.. I'll think it was a formating
problem..

It works great now and changed it to my own language. (Only Dutch lists).

Danny Terweij






From tmiller at nethawk.com  Sun Apr 14 18:11:53 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:11:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PW Reminder Override?
In-Reply-To: <200204122132.RAA10816@salsa.haht.com>
References: <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
 <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15>
 <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES>
 <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com>

In Mailman v2.0.8 I would like to override the individual list setting for sending out the monthly password reminders.  Can someone tell me where Mailman checks this setting prior to sending out the reminders?

TIA

Tim





From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Sun Apr 14 20:13:45 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:13:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PW Reminder Override?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com>
References: <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com>
Message-ID: <20020414201345.A2574@goldfisch.at>

if you want to change the frequency : its in the crontab

peter

On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 12:11:53PM -0400, Tim Miller wrote:
> In Mailman v2.0.8 I would like to override the individual list setting for sending out the monthly password reminders.  Can someone tell me where Mailman checks this setting prior to sending out the reminders?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 




From tmiller at nethawk.com  Sun Apr 14 21:42:25 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:42:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PW Reminder Override?
In-Reply-To: <20020414201345.A2574@goldfisch.at>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com>
 <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
 <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15>
 <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES>
 <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414153712.00abdcc8@mail.nethawk.com>

Sorry I was not clearer about this.  

Each list has a setting of whether or not to send out the monthly password reminder ("Send monthly password reminders Y/N").  I want to send them to every list regardless of how this is set.

Tim


At 02:13 PM 4/14/2002, pilsl at goldfisch.at wrote:
>if you want to change the frequency : its in the crontab
>
>peter
>
>On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 12:11:53PM -0400, Tim Miller wrote:
>> In Mailman v2.0.8 I would like to override the individual list setting for sending out the monthly password reminders.  Can someone tell me where Mailman checks this setting prior to sending out the reminders?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> 
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Apr 15 00:52:30 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:52:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PW Reminder Override?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414153712.00abdcc8@mail.nethawk.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414153712.00abdcc8@mail.nethawk.com>
Message-ID: <20020414225230.GJ347@merlins.org>

On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 03:42:25PM -0400, Tim Miller wrote:
> Sorry I was not clearer about this.  
> 
> Each list has a setting of whether or not to send out the monthly password
> reminder ("Send monthly password reminders Y/N").   I want to send them to
> every list regardless of how this is set.

Even if you don't know python, you can look at the cron job that does that
and rip out the check that sets whether the reminder should be sent or not

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From danny at terweij.nl  Mon Apr 15 01:09:20 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:09:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PW Reminder Override?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414153712.00abdcc8@mail.nethawk.com> <20020414225230.GJ347@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <00da01c1e409$68b33c60$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com>

> > Each list has a setting of whether or not to send out the monthly
password
> > reminder ("Send monthly password reminders Y/N").   I want to send them
to
> > every list regardless of how this is set.

> Even if you don't know python, you can look at the cron job that does that
> and rip out the check that sets whether the reminder should be sent or not

That is not his question. The crontab sends every month a reminder.
But only for lists that has the option set to Y.

Tim wants a montly reminder to all the lists, even it is set by a List-Owner
to N.

Danny Terweij.







From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Apr 15 01:14:50 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:14:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PW Reminder Override?
In-Reply-To: <00da01c1e409$68b33c60$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414153712.00abdcc8@mail.nethawk.com> <20020414225230.GJ347@merlins.org> <00da01c1e409$68b33c60$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <20020414231449.GK347@merlins.org>

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 01:09:20AM +0200, Danny Terweij wrote:
> From: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com>
> 
> > > Each list has a setting of whether or not to send out the monthly
> password
> > > reminder ("Send monthly password reminders Y/N").   I want to send them
> to
> > > every list regardless of how this is set.
> 
> > Even if you don't know python, you can look at the cron job that does that
> > and rip out the check that sets whether the reminder should be sent or not
> 
> That is not his question. The crontab sends every month a reminder.
> But only for lists that has the option set to Y.
> 
> Tim wants a montly reminder to all the lists, even it is set by a List-Owner
> to N.

That's what I just said :-)

He can edit the monthly reminder script and make it unconditional.

We could read the script and find the line to remove for him, but he can do
that too :-)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From danny at terweij.nl  Mon Apr 15 01:15:16 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:15:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PW Reminder Override?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020414153712.00abdcc8@mail.nethawk.com> <20020414225230.GJ347@merlins.org> <00da01c1e409$68b33c60$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <20020414231449.GK347@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <00ec01c1e40a$3d33dee0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com>
> > That is not his question. The crontab sends every month a reminder.
> > But only for lists that has the option set to Y.
> > Tim wants a montly reminder to all the lists, even it is set by a
List-Owner
> > to N.

> That's what I just said :-)

> He can edit the monthly reminder script and make it unconditional.

> We could read the script and find the line to remove for him, but he can
do
> that too :-)

Now i think we all understand the job :-)

Danny.






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Apr 15 01:31:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:31:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PW Reminder Override?
In-Reply-To: <00da01c1e409$68b33c60$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414120403.00aaad00@mail.nethawk.com> <20020414225230.GJ347@merlins.org> <00da01c1e409$68b33c60$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <200204142328.TAA22245@salsa.haht.com>

That's what Marc said!  Here this will make it simpler...
Backup the file /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
Edit the file /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
Remove the following two lines

        if not mlist.send_reminders:
            continue

Give it a go.

Jon Carnes
 --- Original Message: Sunday 14 April 2002 07:09 pm ---
> From: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com>
>
> > > Each list has a setting of whether or not to send out the monthly
>
> password
>
> > > reminder ("Send monthly password reminders Y/N").   I want to send them
>
> to
>
> > > every list regardless of how this is set.
> >
> > Even if you don't know python, you can look at the cron job that does
> > that and rip out the check that sets whether the reminder should be sent
> > or not
>
> That is not his question. The crontab sends every month a reminder.
> But only for lists that has the option set to Y.
>
> Tim wants a montly reminder to all the lists, even it is set by a
> List-Owner to N.
>
> Danny Terweij.
>




From petersent at suu.edu  Thu Apr 11 23:52:34 2002
From: petersent at suu.edu (Todd Petersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:52:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery Only
Message-ID: <scb5b14e.071@gwise.suu.edu>

I want to set up a mailman list as a delivery-only list. I want to be
able to send, but I don't want recipients to be able  to respond.

Is that possible?
--
Todd Petersen




From alex at laplaza.org  Fri Apr 12 01:14:30 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:14:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
Message-ID: <E0399D63-4DA1-11D6-98AA-0003936A14BE@laplaza.org>

After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new 
archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to 
mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went 
in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get 
created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun 
Solaris 7)

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
     ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in 
ChangeOptions
     lst.Save()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save
     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
     breaklink(pubdir)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in 
breaklink
     reraise()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in 
breaklink
     os.unlink(link)
OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone'



Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents?

I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman.



Response appreciated


Alex Chavez  | System Admin
La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org
Taos.  New Mexico  |  505.758.1836





From billie at tnhillbillie.net  Fri Apr 12 03:07:21 2002
From: billie at tnhillbillie.net (Billie R. McNamara)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:07:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editability of messages
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020411205746.026ad7f0@mail.rootsquest.com>

We are using version 2.0.8 for a moderated list.  But, we aren't able to 
edit messages before approving them (for example, to delete just one 
inappropriate word).

How can we do this?





From office at mmf.at  Fri Apr 12 12:55:26 2002
From: office at mmf.at (MultiMediaForge Office)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:55:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to localize in a shared server environment?
Message-ID: <006a01c1e210$8efb9110$0100a8c0@quetzalcoatl>

I'm on a shared server with no root access where the provider has set up
Mailman 2.0.8 for use with CPANEL 4.0.

I have created a read-only newsletter-type mailing list in this
configuration and want now to localize all the pages, default mails and
messages with direct user relevance (confirmation, welcome,
reminder-password, etc.) to German language and also partially adapt
them by dropping some options which we need not to give the users. And
as I do this for a customer, I want also translate and adapt the
Membership Management Page of the admin-interface too.

My questions:

1. While editing the HTML-code of the public pages, I see that I have to
replace most of the mailman propriety tags with direct references, as
some of them produce English output and/or do not fit into my formatting
scheme. The new pages seem to work, but I wonder if they won't break
when the hosting company decides to update Mailman to the next release,
as direct URI reference might perhaps change.

2. I can not or only partially change the confirmation, welcome,
reminder, etc. messages by prepending some text to them. Is it possible
to fully localize them and how is it done?

3. I see the last item on the General Options page of the admin
interface is 'Base URL for Mailman web interface'. Can I use this option
to move the pages of the web interface into the user space of my
account? I have probably sufficient Linux knowledge to do a full
installation of Mailman on our development server, if I need direct
access to some of the files to copy them, while I cannot even read them
in the shared environment.

4. Or is it possible to install a localized, or even better multilingual
version of the full Mailman package parallel to the server-wide
installation without help of the hosting company?

Regards,
Erich
--
Erich Schreiber
MultiMediaForge





From ernesto at infamia.com  Fri Apr 12 16:12:06 2002
From: ernesto at infamia.com (Ernesto Gluecksmann)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:12:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server Side Includes
Message-ID: <000801c1e22c$0a0a4c50$0501a8c0@Portable>


Hi all.

New convert from Majordomo.  It wasn't hard to switch once I got around to checking out Mailman's poweress.  It's like coming out of the dark ages into the age of enlightment.  Well, maybe not so dramatic, but definite difference.

My question relates to Server Side Includes.  My websites use these heavily, and I want to know what's the appropriate way of referencing these header and footer pages, so my mailman list information has the same look & feel as the rest of the websites.

Should I drop a couple of symbolic links?  Do I need to update my httpd.conf to reference mailman's list directories and parse those .html files for SSI directives?  Etc.

Basically, where can I get "best practice" information for my situation.  I don't want do something that I really shouldn't do, and I already searched over the FAQ's and this list's FAQ for SSI related info.

Thanks lots,
Ernesto Gluecksmann

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From acchavez at mac.com  Fri Apr 12 16:43:12 2002
From: acchavez at mac.com (Alex Chavez)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:43:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
Message-ID: <9DB1998E-4E23-11D6-8A87-0003936A14BE@mac.com>

After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new 
archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to 
mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went 
in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get 
created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun 
Solaris 7)

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
     ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in 
ChangeOptions
     lst.Save()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save
     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
     breaklink(pubdir)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in 
breaklink
     reraise()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in 
breaklink
     os.unlink(link)
OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone'



Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents?

I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman.



Response appreciated


Alex Chavez  | System Admin
La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org
Taos.  New Mexico  |  505.758.1836





From acchavez at mac.com  Fri Apr 12 17:42:34 2002
From: acchavez at mac.com (Alex Chavez)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:42:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive list
Message-ID: <E8C25193-4E2B-11D6-8A87-0003936A14BE@mac.com>

After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new 
archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to 
mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went 
in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get 
created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun 
Solaris 7)

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
     ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in 
ChangeOptions
     lst.Save()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save
     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
     breaklink(pubdir)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in 
breaklink
     reraise()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in 
breaklink
     os.unlink(link)
OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone'



Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents?

I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman.

In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems 
kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup 
copy.


Response appreciated



Alex Chavez  | System Admin
La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org
Taos.  New Mexico  |  505.758.1836





From acchavez at mac.com  Fri Apr 12 20:02:21 2002
From: acchavez at mac.com (Alex Chavez)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:02:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot create public archive links
Message-ID: <6FC4F7C3-4E3F-11D6-8E15-0003936A14BE@mac.com>

After an ordeal reinstalling Python mailman has not listed any new 
archives. I traced it down to the fact that the links to 
mailman/archived/private do not exist in the public directory. So I went 
in and toggled that option in the admin area. The links do not get 
created and I get this error: (running: Mailman 1.0 python 1.5.2 on Sun 
Solaris 7)

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main
     ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in 
ChangeOptions
     lst.Save()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 794, in Save
     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 245, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
     breaklink(pubdir)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in 
breaklink
     reraise()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in 
breaklink
     os.unlink(link)
OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/anyone'



Anyone know who should own the anyone directory and it's contents?

I tried root daemon and mailman. Keeping the group as mailman.

In fact root owns every file in the mail mailman directory which seems 
kind of fishy. This may be due to recovering the program from a backup 
copy.


Response appreciated


Alex Chavez  | System Admin
La Plaza Telecommunity | laplaza.org
Taos.  New Mexico  |  505.758.1836





From smith at smithellis.com  Fri Apr 12 21:26:44 2002
From: smith at smithellis.com (Smith Ellis)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:26:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Help!
Message-ID: <001401c1e257$fe829f50$0201a8c0@FATMAN>

Hello all.  Very new to Linux, and very new to Mailman.

Mailman default installed with my Red Hat 7.2 system, and I really want
to use it!  However, when I went to confirm that everything was fine
(bin/check_perms) I get the following error:

Traceback (inntermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
      MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID>[0]
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation


I went ahead and tried a test list.  It did send me a mail, but all the
links are 404.  

Apache is running, but I'm not 100% I've added the "cgi-script"
permissions properly, or to the right file.

Can anyone hold my hand a little, and send me some details?

Thanks all,

Smith Ellis

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From danny at poema.yi.org  Sat Apr 13 01:02:51 2002
From: danny at poema.yi.org (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:02:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list statistics
References: <F9D492E13AF8D411B1B100B0D079F82903B1D475@RADBUKSDNT15> <014e01c1e002$fcf70c90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00b801c1e06f$ce3d4c80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200204122132.RAA10816@salsa.haht.com> <003801c1e26f$2a4385c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <009d01c1e276$2c50ddc0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Danny Terweij" <danny at terweij.nl>
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>

> bash: /usr/local/sbin/mm_stats: bad interpreter: No such file or directory

Did sorted out.. it works now. Did cut & paste script by Windows notepad.
Edited again with pico and it works.

Danny Terweij.






From fbarajas at sistec.com.mx  Sat Apr 13 04:18:40 2002
From: fbarajas at sistec.com.mx (=?Windows-1252?Q?Fernando_Barajas_D=EDaz=5FLozano?=)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading
Message-ID: <001501c1e291$8721a930$ab492d0a@fer>

Hi!  How can I upgrade from 2.0.5 to 2.0.9, without reinstalling and without
losing my lists and archives?

Thanks!

_________________________________________________________
Fernando Barajas D?az_Lozano
http://www.sistec.com.mx: Soluciones en Linux, Redes e Internet
http://www.forocomputacion.net: Foro de autoayuda en Computaci?n





From davidno at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 13 05:14:20 2002
From: davidno at hotmail.com (David Norton)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:14:20 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Conversion utility to convert digests into thread structure?
Message-ID: <F26gEpTX5V3GykBbKP700003f38@hotmail.com>

Hello Mailman developers,

Thank you for your efforts in developing the Mailman program.

I do not run the Mailman program myself; I am a subscriber to a list, which 
uses Mailman and where the list administrator has chosen to not use the 
archive function.

This means that I have a collection of digest emails which is not organised 
into discussion threads.

I was wondering whether there exists a utility (Linux and/or Windows) to 
convert the digest email data into a normal thread structure?

I did a brief check of http://mailman.sourceforge.net/ but could not find 
any info on this particular topic.

Thanks again for providing the community with such a worthwhile program.

David
(Sydney, AU)

_________________________________________________________________
Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com





From Giuseppe.Angilella at CT.INFN.IT  Sat Apr 13 11:20:27 2002
From: Giuseppe.Angilella at CT.INFN.IT (Giuseppe G. N. Angilella)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:20:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/mhonarc integration: authentication for private archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204131104520.1343-100000@pcct100.ct.infn.it>

Hi,

I'm managing a mailing list, and I need its archives to show attachments
as separate links, for archival purposes. Access to the mailing list's
archives is rated "private" by mailman.

Browsing the FAQ, the wish-list, and finally the mailman-users discussion
list, I found out that the feature I need is not yet implemented in
pipermail.

Several postings therefore suggested to use MHonArc instead, and one
posting dating back to Oct 12, 2001 by Thierry Jacquemart explained the
details to do so, namely to integrate mailman and mhonarc.

I will not repeat Thierry's message (but, Thierry: THANK YOU very much for
it! Indeed, there was someone [me] who "saved some time", thanks to your
message, as you correctly speculated!). Check it out on the mailman-users
list: browse October 2001.

However, Thierry "noticed that e-mail/password authentication for private
archives doesn't work, but as I don't need it for the moment I didn't
investigate further" (I quote from Thierry's message, omitting the final
smiley, namely ;-) ...

Well, I needed it! So I investigated further and, for the sake/benefit of
others, I briefly say that I just needed to add the following line to my
mm_cfg.py configuration file:

PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'mhonarchives', 'private')

where mhonarchives is the subdir where I actually want to archive my
messages (default for mailman: archive).

By the way, would anyone like to share his main.mrc MHonArc configuration
file with me? Please, reply to my e-mail address directly, as I'm not a
subscriber of these lists.

Thanks everybody.

Giuseppe.





From marticus at louisville.edu  Sat Apr 13 20:48:05 2002
From: marticus at louisville.edu (Derek Evan Mart)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:48:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with custom interface
Message-ID: <20020413184805.GA6510@asgard.marticus.org>

Why does this code fail? "Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8..."

  code from http://www.animesociety.org/test.html

  the list is located at list.marticus.org

  <? $password = "trustno1" ?>
  <FORM class="list" method="POST"
  action="http://list.marticus.org/mailman/subscribe/kias-announce">
  <INPUT type="text" name="email" size="30">
  <INPUT type="hidden" name="pw" value="<? echo $password ?>">
  <INPUT type="hidden" name="pw-conf" value="<? echo $password ?>">
  <INPUT type="submit" name="email-button" value="subscribe">

============
admin(6509): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(6509):   File "/home/list/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(6509):     main()
admin(6509):   File "/home/list/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 76, in
main
admin(6509):     process_form(mlist, doc)
admin(6509):   File "/home/list/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 158, in
process_form
admin(6509):     pw  = form["pw"].value
admin(6509): AttributeError: value
============

It seems to work correctly when I call the program directly:

  http://list.marticus.org/mailman/subscribe/kias-announce  \
   ?email=test&pw=test&pw-conf=test

My reason for doing this is to provide an easy way for my users to
join various mailing lists from a single document. What am I doing
wrong here?

Your time spent on this matter is greatly appreciated.

best,
-- 
Derek Evan Mart "Marticus" - Systems Programmer II
U of L - Electrical & Computer Engineering
The Marticus Project - http://www.marticus.org/
1514 3659 D057 D10C 6BE6  3E68 15BE B181 2F1F 510B
AA C4 72 14 97 6F 14 14  B3 9C BB 6E D8 71 9A 67




From david at johmar.com  Sun Apr 14 03:45:22 2002
From: david at johmar.com (david at johmar.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:45:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet gateway for mailman
Message-ID: <LPBBJIAPPKKFLBHEPEEPIEBGDHAA.david@johmar.com>

You mention 'usenet gateway' for mailman, does this mean your great product
can integrate with a newsgroup, e.g. postings to the newsgroup get sent out
as emails to those who prefer email and emails get automatically posted to
the newsgroup for those who prefer newsgroups?  Or is this too much to ask.

Thanks

David





From richard at imagecraft.com  Mon Apr 15 05:39:25 2002
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard F. Man)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:39:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail loop with auto-responders?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020414203611.028cfbb8@192.168.100.11>

I have 5 mailing lists running under mailman, and I thought it would trap 
auto-responders ("I am out of the office..."), but I just got flooded by 
one such msg. Is there a setting I have missed barring changing the default 
reply-to to Poster?

Barring that, I am going on vacations for a few days myself (with 
auto-responders setting up), is there any way to at least the frequency on 
how fast the loop goes?

Any ideas? Thanks!

// richard http://www.imagecraft.com
[ For technical support, please include all previous replies in your msgs. ]





From kri at toxeleia.cftri.org  Mon Apr 15 05:58:43 2002
From: kri at toxeleia.cftri.org (Krishna Rao SN)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:28:43 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives management
Message-ID: <200204150358.JAA11243@toxeleia.cftri.org>

Hi,

Recently installed mailman on our server.
For testing posted many messages and listed under archives.
Now as a admin of the list, I tried to delete these arcives.
Under Archival options there is no option to refresh the database.

Kindly help me how to refresh the database

--krishna




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Apr 15 11:59:35 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:59:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives management
In-Reply-To: <200204150358.JAA11243@toxeleia.cftri.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020415105838.03c9b318@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:28 15/04/2002 +0530, Krishna Rao SN wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Recently installed mailman on our server.
>For testing posted many messages and listed under archives.
>Now as a admin of the list, I tried to delete these arcives.
>Under Archival options there is no option to refresh the database.
>
>Kindly help me how to refresh the database
>
>--krishna

the script $prefix/bin/arch might be useful





From tneff at bigfoot.com  Mon Apr 15 13:55:01 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:55:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
In-Reply-To: <20020415033446.29700.82480.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020415033446.29700.82480.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1598000234.1018857301@tom-9k5kaocfpin>

"Billie R. McNamara" <billie at tnhillbillie.net> wrote:
> We are using version 2.0.8 for a moderated list.  But, we aren't able to
> edit messages before approving them (for example, to delete just one
> inappropriate word).
>
> How can we do this?

There is a FAQ entry that wants you to hand edit various spool files, but 
you can patch 2.0.8 to allow message editing.

First, increase ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT in Mailman/Defaults.py from the
default of 4096 to something bigger like 32768 or -1 for unlimited (a huge
submission may render slowly in the browser!).  Then apply the patch at

	http://www.panix.com/~tneff/mailman20_edit_patch.gz

and you're in business.




From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Mon Apr 15 16:30:35 2002
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:30:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server Side Includes
In-Reply-To: <000801c1e22c$0a0a4c50$0501a8c0@Portable>
References: <000801c1e22c$0a0a4c50$0501a8c0@Portable>
Message-ID: <20020415143035.GA70114@boole.maths.tcd.ie>

On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 10:12:06AM -0400, Ernesto Gluecksmann wrote:
 
> New convert from Majordomo.  
> It wasn't hard to switch once I got around to checking out Mailman's poweress.  
> It's like coming out of the dark ages into the age of enlightment.  
> Well, maybe not so dramatic, but definite difference.

While I am an enthusiastic user of mailman,
doesn't majordomo still have a well-defined usage,
for essentially private lists like committee minutes?

This is a genuine question --
am I right in assuming that mailman lists are by their nature 
publicly available?


-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland




From che at debian.org  Mon Apr 15 16:55:55 2002
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:55:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server Side Includes
In-Reply-To: <20020415143035.GA70114@boole.maths.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <E34E7128-5080-11D6-A775-0003931E4DBC@debian.org>

On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 11:30 , Timothy Murphy wrote:

> While I am an enthusiastic user of mailman,
> doesn't majordomo still have a well-defined usage,
> for essentially private lists like committee minutes?
>
> This is a genuine question --
> am I right in assuming that mailman lists are by their nature
> publicly available?

Not at all.  At UC Santa Cruz, I set up several Mailman lists that were 
private for just this purpose (committee announcements and minutes) in 
the School of Engineering.

You can get privacy in one of two ways, depending on what your needs are:

1) Do not archive.  Each list can be set to archive or not to archive 
within the list's web admin interface.

2) Set up your web server to require a password or IP/hostname match (or 
both) to allow access to /pipermail/listname/  for each list you want to 
protect.

I did either or both of these as needed.

Ben





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Apr 15 17:44:39 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:44:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server Side Includes
In-Reply-To: <E34E7128-5080-11D6-A775-0003931E4DBC@debian.org>
References: <20020415143035.GA70114@boole.maths.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020415163624.03c9b088@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 23:55 15/04/2002 +0900, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
>On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 11:30 , Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
>>While I am an enthusiastic user of mailman,
>>doesn't majordomo still have a well-defined usage,
>>for essentially private lists like committee minutes?
>>
>>This is a genuine question --
>>am I right in assuming that mailman lists are by their nature
>>publicly available?
>
>Not at all.  At UC Santa Cruz, I set up several Mailman lists that were 
>private for just this purpose (committee announcements and minutes) in the 
>School of Engineering.
>
>You can get privacy in one of two ways, depending on what your needs are:
>
>1) Do not archive.  Each list can be set to archive or not to archive 
>within the list's web admin interface.
>
>2) Set up your web server to require a password or IP/hostname match (or 
>both) to allow access to /pipermail/listname/  for each list you want to 
>protect.
>
>I did either or both of these as needed.
>
>Ben

Surely, if you are using the built-in pipermail archiver, you can also set 
a list's archive to private on the Archive Options web GUI admin page. The 
list archives are then not available through the /pipermail/ URI path 
element but are accessed via the /mailman/private/ path which is serviced 
by the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py script. This script uses cookie 
authentication for which the user credentials are the list member's mail 
address and their associated list password and restricts archive access to 
list members only.

As just a small plug, this archive security is also preserved in the same 
way when the mailman-htdig patches posted on sourceforge are used to 
provide per list archive search.





From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr 15 19:05:43 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:05:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editability of messages 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Billie R. McNamara" <billie@tnhillbillie.net> 
   of "Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:07:21 EDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20020411205746.026ad7f0@mail.rootsquest.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020411205746.026ad7f0@mail.rootsquest.com> 
Message-ID: <11628.1018890343@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:07:21 -0400 
Billie R McNamara <billie at tnhillbillie.net> wrote:

> We are using version 2.0.8 for a moderated list.  But, we aren't able
> to edit messages before approving them (for example, to delete just
> one inappropriate word).

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jerry at sandiego.edu  Mon Apr 15 18:53:08 2002
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:53:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet gateway for mailman
In-Reply-To: <LPBBJIAPPKKFLBHEPEEPIEBGDHAA.david@johmar.com>
References: <LPBBJIAPPKKFLBHEPEEPIEBGDHAA.david@johmar.com>
Message-ID: <p05101508b8e0b374a69e@[199.106.12.16]>

>You mention 'usenet gateway' for mailman, does this mean your great product
>can integrate with a newsgroup, e.g. postings to the newsgroup get sent out
>as emails to those who prefer email and emails get automatically posted to
>the newsgroup for those who prefer newsgroups?  Or is this too much to ask.

This is exactly what it means.

1. You can set the mailing list to automatically send list messages 
to a specific newsgroup. ("gateway to news")

2. You can set the mailing list to automatically check that same 
newsgroup and remail new messages to the mailing list. ("gateway to 
mail")

Those features can be enabled separately (although if both are 
enabled they do have to both use the same newsgroup).

One issue you may run into is that if you require that postings come 
from listmembers, your Usenet readers have to be members of the 
mailing list. You can change this requirement so that mailman allows 
Usenet postings through automatically, but that requires hacking the 
code.

The two changes I've made to make this feature more useful are:

1. Added the ability to put the newsgroup and news host on the list's 
info pages. This change is made in HTMLFormatter.py in the Mailman 
directory: Look for "def GetStandardReplacements(self):" and add the 
following lines:
             '<mm-newsgroup>' : self.linked_newsgroup,
             '<mm-newshost>' : self.nntp_host,

2. Made it so that if the gateway-to-mail option is set, then any 
messages coming from the appropriate newsgroup are allowed as if they 
were from a member. This change is made in "Hold.py" in 
Mailman/Handlers. Look for "def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):" and 
near "if mlist.member_posting_only" change to:

     # postings only from list members?  mlist.posters are allowed in addition
     # to list members.  If not set, then only the members in posters are
     # allowed to post without approval.
     #note: should find some way to compare needgroup and newsgroup 
non-case-sensitively
     #note: should probably also trim whitespace away from both ends
     if mlist.member_posting_only:
         if mlist.gateway_to_mail:
             needgroup = mlist.linked_newsgroup
             newsgroup = msg.getheader('newsgroups')

         posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters))
         if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \
            not (mlist.gateway_to_mail and needgroup and 
newsgroup==needgroup) and \
            not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters):
             # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of
             # explicitly approved posters
             # nor is it from the gatewayed newsgroup
             hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost)
             # no return


Issues: the newsgroup name is case sensitive; and if multiple 
newsgroup names are listed, it will not match. (The latter is 
probably a good thing--you will still have the opportunity to approve 
after verifying that it is not spam.)

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr 15 19:09:22 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:09:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Conversion utility to convert digests into thread structure? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "David Norton" <davidno@hotmail.com> 
   of "Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:14:20 +1000." <F26gEpTX5V3GykBbKP700003f38@hotmail.com> 
References: <F26gEpTX5V3GykBbKP700003f38@hotmail.com> 
Message-ID: <11710.1018890562@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:14:20 +1000 
David Norton <davidno at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I was wondering whether there exists a utility (Linux and/or Windows)
> to convert the digest email data into a normal thread structure?

If you are not using MIME digests you're pretty well out of luck.

Use mimetools or similar to burst the digests into individual messages
and then hand those to you MUA for normal threading.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr 15 19:10:01 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet gateway for mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from <david@johmar.com> 
   of "Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:45:22 BST." <LPBBJIAPPKKFLBHEPEEPIEBGDHAA.david@johmar.com> 
References: <LPBBJIAPPKKFLBHEPEEPIEBGDHAA.david@johmar.com> 
Message-ID: <11758.1018890601@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:45:22 +0100 
david  <david at johmar.com> wrote:

> You mention 'usenet gateway' for mailman, does this mean your great
> product can integrate with a newsgroup, e.g. postings to the newsgroup
> get sent out as emails to those who prefer email and emails get
> automatically posted to the newsgroup for those who prefer newsgroups?

Yes.  This is a standard feature of Mailman.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr 15 19:11:38 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:11:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/mhonarc integration: authentication for private archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Giuseppe G. N. Angilella" <Giuseppe.Angilella@CT.INFN.IT> 
   of "Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:20:27 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204131104520.1343-100000@pcct100.ct.infn.it> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204131104520.1343-100000@pcct100.ct.infn.it> 
Message-ID: <11803.1018890698@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:20:27 +0200 (CEST) 
Giuseppe G N Angilella <Giuseppe.Angilella at CT.INFN.IT> wrote:

> By the way, would anyone like to share his main.mrc MHonArc
> configuration file with me? Please, reply to my e-mail address
> directly, as I'm not a subscriber of these lists.

My setup is detailed in the FAQ under

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

and has pointers to my RCs etc.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From fogal_t at chasma.net  Mon Apr 15 19:55:53 2002
From: fogal_t at chasma.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:55:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems getting mailman to work with qmail
Message-ID: <019701c1e4a6$c9374070$b100000a@fogalt>

Im attempting to setup mailman (v2.0.8) on a FreeBSD machine with qmail,
and not having too much luck. Hopefully some of you have some ideas :)

First problem was that mailman couldnt send out messages. This was fixed
by correctly setting my SMTPHOST in mm_cfg.py.

In accordance with README.QMAIL, ive added some users that qmail runs
under to the 'mailman' group, and then allowed group read-write on the
mailman directory. I was unsure which qmail user actually needed access,
so i setup multiple users to do so:

> grep mailman /etc/group
mailman:*:1010:qmaill,qmails,qmailr
> ps aux | grep qmail
qmails   398  0.0  0.4   940  468 con- I    Tue05PM   0:05.46 qmail-send
qmaill   406  0.0  0.4   880  440 con- I    Tue05PM   0:02.35 splogger
qmail
root     407  0.0  0.3   880  372 con- I    Tue05PM   0:01.19
qmail-lspawn ./Mailbox
qmailr   408  0.0  0.3   880  432 con- I    Tue05PM   0:00.52
qmail-rspawn
qmailq   409  0.0  0.3   868  388 con- I    Tue05PM   0:00.90
qmail-clean
root     416  0.0  0.4   896  480 con- I    Tue05PM   0:02.01
tcpserver -H -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup mail.ch

we have some virtual domains setup, and utilize vpopmail. one domain is
xxx.net, and the domain i want mailman to work with is dev.xxx.net.
> cat /usr/local/vpopmail/domains/dev.xxxx.net/.qmail-default
|/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
| /usr/local/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox

(the qmail-to-mailman.py script is the one from the mailman/contrib/
directory).

python is an acceptable version:
> python
Python 2.2 (#1, Jan  3 2002, 21:54:19)
[GCC 2.95.3 [FreeBSD] 20010315 (release)] on freebsd4
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

if i take out the qmail-to-mailman.py from
domain/dev.xxxx.net/.qmail-default, all mail to dev.xxxx.net bounces, as
it should because of the 'bounce-no-mailbox' line after it.  thus, i
suspect that qmail-to-mailman.py is getting the mail but (silently)
dropping or not doing what it should be doing with it.

/home/mailman/logs has some things of interest:

> tail post
(some lines removed because they are all the same/similar)
Apr 12 21:03:03 2002 (80009) post to test1-work from
test1-work-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=767, 1 failures
Apr 12 21:04:01 2002 (80021) post to test2-mmantest from
test2-mmantest-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=783, 1 failures
Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) post to testproj-test from
testproj-test-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=779, 1 failures
Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) post to test1-work from
test1-work-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=767, 1 failures

> tail smtp
Apr 12 21:04:01 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.199
seconds
Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection
refused')
Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.156
seconds
Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection
refused')
Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.164
seconds
Apr 12 21:04:55 2002 (80029) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.319
seconds
Apr 12 21:05:02 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.458
seconds
Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.416
seconds
Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.432
seconds
Apr 12 21:07:56 2002 (80084) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.296
seconds

> tail qrunner
Apr 12 20:53:02 2002 (79833) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 20:55:03 2002 (79869) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 20:57:02 2002 (79910) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 20:58:02 2002 (79919) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 20:59:02 2002 (79929) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 21:00:03 2002 (79956) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 21:02:02 2002 (79996) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 21:03:02 2002 (80010) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80022) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80047) Could not acquire qrunner lock

anyone have any ideas? is there a place where the i can get more
information on the problem mailman is having besides 'size=767, 1
failures'?
any ideas/help would be much appreciated.

-tom





From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Mon Apr 15 20:16:18 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:16:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin-interface does not work with konqueror
Message-ID: <20020415201618.C2269@goldfisch.at>

Whenever I use the admin-interface with konqueror I get the following
problem:

"Error decoding authorization cookie" after the first submit of
configs. This "sure" is a problem with mailman, cause I use konqueror
very frequently and never got a similar message before.
 Dont have problems with any other browser but with all konquerors I
tried ..


peter




From eje4 at cornell.edu  Mon Apr 15 20:26:44 2002
From: eje4 at cornell.edu (Eric Evans)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:26:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020415141808.00b36648@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu>

Hi,

I have not been able to install Mailman, and I'm hoping someone out there 
may be able to offer some helpful advice.

Configuration: I'm on a Sun workstation with Solaris 8, and running NIS.  I 
have created a user called mailman, and a group called mailman.  The 
mailman user is listed in the local passwd file, i.e. /etc/passwd/.  The 
mailman home directory is /usersm/mailman, and it is owned by user 
mailman.  The setgid bit is set on this directory.  I am logged in as user 
mailman when I try to run the installation.

The problem is that when I run ./configure --prefix=/usersm/mailman, it 
fails with the following error messages:

checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
     import pwd, string
ImportError: No module named pwd
cat: cannot open conftest.out

configure: error:
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined

This is puzzling because I most definitely do have a mailman user 
defined.  Can anyone help me figure out what the problem is here?  Thanks 
very much.

Best wishes,
Eric Evans
Cornell Phonetics Lab
Ithaca, NY







From fogal_t at chasma.net  Mon Apr 15 20:39:34 2002
From: fogal_t at chasma.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:39:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020415141808.00b36648@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <01e801c1e4ac$e3456bd0$b100000a@fogalt>

it sounds to me like you have an old version of python.
get 2.2 from www.python.org, and see if that fixes your problems..

-tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Evans" <eje4 at cornell.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 2:26 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem


> Hi,
>
> I have not been able to install Mailman, and I'm hoping someone out
there
> may be able to offer some helpful advice.
>
> Configuration: I'm on a Sun workstation with Solaris 8, and running
NIS.  I
> have created a user called mailman, and a group called mailman.  The
> mailman user is listed in the local passwd file, i.e. /etc/passwd/.
The
> mailman home directory is /usersm/mailman, and it is owned by user
> mailman.  The setgid bit is set on this directory.  I am logged in as
user
> mailman when I try to run the installation.
>
> The problem is that when I run ./configure --prefix=/usersm/mailman,
it
> fails with the following error messages:
>
> checking for --with-username... mailman
> checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>      import pwd, string
> ImportError: No module named pwd
> cat: cannot open conftest.out
>
> configure: error:
> ***** No "mailman" user found!
> ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
>
> This is puzzling because I most definitely do have a mailman user
> defined.  Can anyone help me figure out what the problem is here?
Thanks
> very much.
>
> Best wishes,
> Eric Evans
> Cornell Phonetics Lab
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From eje4 at cornell.edu  Mon Apr 15 20:45:39 2002
From: eje4 at cornell.edu (Eric Evans)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:45:39 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020415144313.00b59b98@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu>

Hi,

Yes I am in fact using Python 2.2, but unfortunately I still can't get 
configure to run.  This is very frustrating.  If anybody has any further 
suggestions on how to get this thing to work, I would really appreciate 
hearing them.  Thanks....

Eric Evans

>it sounds to me like you have an old version of python.
>get 2.2 from www.python.org, and see if that fixes your problems..
>
>-tom
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eric Evans" <eje4 at cornell.edu>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 2:26 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have not been able to install Mailman, and I'm hoping someone out
>there
> > may be able to offer some helpful advice.
> >
> > Configuration: I'm on a Sun workstation with Solaris 8, and running
>NIS.  I
> > have created a user called mailman, and a group called mailman.  The
> > mailman user is listed in the local passwd file, i.e. /etc/passwd/.
>The
> > mailman home directory is /usersm/mailman, and it is owned by user
> > mailman.  The setgid bit is set on this directory.  I am logged in as
>user
> > mailman when I try to run the installation.
> >
> > The problem is that when I run ./configure --prefix=/usersm/mailman,
>it
> > fails with the following error messages:
> >
> > checking for --with-username... mailman
> > checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
> >    File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
> >      import pwd, string
> > ImportError: No module named pwd
> > cat: cannot open conftest.out
> >
> > configure: error:
> > ***** No "mailman" user found!
> > ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
> >
> > This is puzzling because I most definitely do have a mailman user
> > defined.  Can anyone help me figure out what the problem is here?
>Thanks
> > very much.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Eric Evans
> > Cornell Phonetics Lab
> > Ithaca, NY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From adi at adiraj.org  Mon Apr 15 21:41:25 2002
From: adi at adiraj.org (Adi Fairbank)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:41:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems getting mailman to work with qmail
References: <019701c1e4a6$c9374070$b100000a@fogalt>
Message-ID: <3CBB2CE5.E612F4B2@adiraj.org>

Did you configure mailman with --with-mail-gid=nofiles ?  I don't know about
the rest of your problems, but I got it to work simply by making that one
change.  I'm running on RedHat 7.x.

HTH,
-Adi

tom wrote:
> 
> Im attempting to setup mailman (v2.0.8) on a FreeBSD machine with qmail,
> and not having too much luck. Hopefully some of you have some ideas :)
> 
> First problem was that mailman couldnt send out messages. This was fixed
> by correctly setting my SMTPHOST in mm_cfg.py.
> 
> In accordance with README.QMAIL, ive added some users that qmail runs
> under to the 'mailman' group, and then allowed group read-write on the
> mailman directory. I was unsure which qmail user actually needed access,
> so i setup multiple users to do so:
> 
> > grep mailman /etc/group
> mailman:*:1010:qmaill,qmails,qmailr
> > ps aux | grep qmail
> qmails   398  0.0  0.4   940  468 con- I    Tue05PM   0:05.46 qmail-send
> qmaill   406  0.0  0.4   880  440 con- I    Tue05PM   0:02.35 splogger
> qmail
> root     407  0.0  0.3   880  372 con- I    Tue05PM   0:01.19
> qmail-lspawn ./Mailbox
> qmailr   408  0.0  0.3   880  432 con- I    Tue05PM   0:00.52
> qmail-rspawn
> qmailq   409  0.0  0.3   868  388 con- I    Tue05PM   0:00.90
> qmail-clean
> root     416  0.0  0.4   896  480 con- I    Tue05PM   0:02.01
> tcpserver -H -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup mail.ch
> 
> we have some virtual domains setup, and utilize vpopmail. one domain is
> xxx.net, and the domain i want mailman to work with is dev.xxx.net.
> > cat /usr/local/vpopmail/domains/dev.xxxx.net/.qmail-default
> |/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> | /usr/local/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox
> 
> (the qmail-to-mailman.py script is the one from the mailman/contrib/
> directory).
> 
> python is an acceptable version:
> > python
> Python 2.2 (#1, Jan  3 2002, 21:54:19)
> [GCC 2.95.3 [FreeBSD] 20010315 (release)] on freebsd4
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> 
> if i take out the qmail-to-mailman.py from
> domain/dev.xxxx.net/.qmail-default, all mail to dev.xxxx.net bounces, as
> it should because of the 'bounce-no-mailbox' line after it.  thus, i
> suspect that qmail-to-mailman.py is getting the mail but (silently)
> dropping or not doing what it should be doing with it.
> 
> /home/mailman/logs has some things of interest:
> 
> > tail post
> (some lines removed because they are all the same/similar)
> Apr 12 21:03:03 2002 (80009) post to test1-work from
> test1-work-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=767, 1 failures
> Apr 12 21:04:01 2002 (80021) post to test2-mmantest from
> test2-mmantest-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=783, 1 failures
> Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) post to testproj-test from
> testproj-test-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=779, 1 failures
> Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) post to test1-work from
> test1-work-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=767, 1 failures
> 
> > tail smtp
> Apr 12 21:04:01 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.199
> seconds
> Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection
> refused')
> Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.156
> seconds
> Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection
> refused')
> Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.164
> seconds
> Apr 12 21:04:55 2002 (80029) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.319
> seconds
> Apr 12 21:05:02 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.458
> seconds
> Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.416
> seconds
> Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.432
> seconds
> Apr 12 21:07:56 2002 (80084) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.296
> seconds
> 
> > tail qrunner
> Apr 12 20:53:02 2002 (79833) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 20:55:03 2002 (79869) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 20:57:02 2002 (79910) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 20:58:02 2002 (79919) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 20:59:02 2002 (79929) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 21:00:03 2002 (79956) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 21:02:02 2002 (79996) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 21:03:02 2002 (80010) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80022) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80047) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> 
> anyone have any ideas? is there a place where the i can get more
> information on the problem mailman is having besides 'size=767, 1
> failures'?
> any ideas/help would be much appreciated.
> 
> -tom
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jwildgrube at hotpop.com  Mon Apr 15 21:03:20 2002
From: jwildgrube at hotpop.com (John Wildgrube)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:03:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-subscribe from database
Message-ID: <004d01c1e4b0$35a46db0$e10311ac@JohnWLaptop>

I have a database of clients and their personal information (in a custom
database designed in ACCESS) for my orgaization.  When a new member
joines our organization, I enter their information into this database
and, as part of our organizational benefits, they are automatically
included in one of our member list serve discussion groups.  What I
would like to do it to have their email address to be automatically
subscribed when inputting the information into the ACCESS database --
does Mailman have any ODBC capabilities?

John






From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Apr 15 21:51:27 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:51:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem
Message-ID: <200204151951.g3FJpgWk018909@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> checking for --with-username... mailman
> checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>      import pwd, string
> ImportError: No module named pwd
> cat: cannot open conftest.out
> 
> configure: error:
> ***** No "mailman" user found!
> ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
> 
> This is puzzling because I most definitely do have a mailman user 
> defined.  

Lesson #1 when debugging software problems: ignore all error messages
but the first.

ImportError: No module named pwd

You need to find out why your Python installation is broken 
such that it can't find the pwd module.





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Apr 15 23:09:56 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:09:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
In-Reply-To: <1598000234.1018857301@tom-9k5kaocfpin>
References: <20020415033446.29700.82480.Mailman@mail.python.org> <1598000234.1018857301@tom-9k5kaocfpin>
Message-ID: <20020415210955.GM25045@merlins.org>

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 07:55:01AM -0400, Tom Neff wrote:
> "Billie R. McNamara" <billie at tnhillbillie.net> wrote:
> >We are using version 2.0.8 for a moderated list.  But, we aren't able to
> >edit messages before approving them (for example, to delete just one
> >inappropriate word).
> >
> >How can we do this?
> 
> There is a FAQ entry that wants you to hand edit various spool files, but 
> you can patch 2.0.8 to allow message editing.

I think the patch will be necessary for mailman 2.1, it unfortunately stores
the message on disk in a database format, making hand editing on the mm
server not that easy.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From raik at nettling.com  Mon Apr 15 06:13:53 2002
From: raik at nettling.com (Raik Nettling)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:13:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] create, delete a list
Message-ID: <000201c1e433$f4b93cd0$03010a0a@raiknbpro>

Is there a way to create /delete a list through a web-interface or
e-mail ?
http://www.acme.com/mailman/create doesn't work. I cannot find find a
script for it.
I'm running mailman 2.0.9 on Redhat 7.0.
Thank you,
Raik
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From leihlani.mccubbin at vedante.com  Mon Apr 15 17:36:57 2002
From: leihlani.mccubbin at vedante.com (leihlani mccubbin)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:36:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman??
Message-ID: <CCEJIJHFDMJHFJKBFMHEIEEACAAA.leihlani.mccubbin@vedante.com>

Hi There,

I am trying to create a mailman list where I can e-mail one address and all
my employees within the company will receive the e-mail. EG All at whatever.com
<mailto:All at whatever.com> . I have been playing around with hostway but
cannot set it up there as all the employees have alias?s. Please could you
help me out as I need this done by today.

Thank you,

Leihlani.mccubbin at vedante.com
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From tonyturner at purefamily.net  Mon Apr 15 17:58:30 2002
From: tonyturner at purefamily.net (Tony Turner)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I
Message-ID: <000801c1e496$640ebf80$6701a8c0@toshiba>

I just started using this system and want to do the following:

Send a monthly message to my list. At the end of the message I want to include an 'unsubscribe' link so the subscriber can go to their management area.

Thank you,
Tony Turner
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From fogal_t at chasma.net  Mon Apr 15 23:57:52 2002
From: fogal_t at chasma.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:57:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I
References: <000801c1e496$640ebf80$6701a8c0@toshiba>
Message-ID: <02bc01c1e4c8$975840a0$b100000a@fogalt>

check out cron/mailpasswds.. which should be running (monthly, as youd like it), if you've setup the cron entries already. if it doesnt have the link, it shouldnt be too hard to add it in.

-tom
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony Turner 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:58 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I


  I just started using this system and want to do the following:

  Send a monthly message to my list. At the end of the message I want to include an 'unsubscribe' link so the subscriber can go to their management area.

  Thank you,
  Tony Turner
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From fogal_t at chasma.net  Mon Apr 15 23:59:45 2002
From: fogal_t at chasma.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:59:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems getting mailman to work with qmail
References: <019701c1e4a6$c9374070$b100000a@fogalt> <3CBB2CE5.E612F4B2@adiraj.org>
Message-ID: <02c101c1e4c8$da8cd7a0$b100000a@fogalt>

thanks for the quick response; unfortunately, no such luck :(
fbsd doesnt have a nofiles group, but qmail apparently needs a
'qnofiles' group.. but anyway, mailman didn't work with it.

thanks again, ill keep workin at it.. and let everyone know how i got it
workin (if i do...)

-tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adi Fairbank" <adi at adiraj.org>
To: "tom" <fogal_t at chasma.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] problems getting mailman to work with qmail


> Did you configure mailman with --with-mail-gid=nofiles ?  I don't know
about
> the rest of your problems, but I got it to work simply by making that
one
> change.  I'm running on RedHat 7.x.
>
> HTH,
> -Adi
>
> tom wrote:
> >
> > Im attempting to setup mailman (v2.0.8) on a FreeBSD machine with
qmail,
> > and not having too much luck. Hopefully some of you have some ideas
:)
> >
> > First problem was that mailman couldnt send out messages. This was
fixed
> > by correctly setting my SMTPHOST in mm_cfg.py.
> >
> > In accordance with README.QMAIL, ive added some users that qmail
runs
> > under to the 'mailman' group, and then allowed group read-write on
the
> > mailman directory. I was unsure which qmail user actually needed
access,
> > so i setup multiple users to do so:
> >
> > > grep mailman /etc/group
> > mailman:*:1010:qmaill,qmails,qmailr
> > > ps aux | grep qmail
> > qmails   398  0.0  0.4   940  468 con- I    Tue05PM   0:05.46
qmail-send
> > qmaill   406  0.0  0.4   880  440 con- I    Tue05PM   0:02.35
splogger
> > qmail
> > root     407  0.0  0.3   880  372 con- I    Tue05PM   0:01.19
> > qmail-lspawn ./Mailbox
> > qmailr   408  0.0  0.3   880  432 con- I    Tue05PM   0:00.52
> > qmail-rspawn
> > qmailq   409  0.0  0.3   868  388 con- I    Tue05PM   0:00.90
> > qmail-clean
> > root     416  0.0  0.4   896  480 con- I    Tue05PM   0:02.01
> > tcpserver -H -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup mail.ch
> >
> > we have some virtual domains setup, and utilize vpopmail. one domain
is
> > xxx.net, and the domain i want mailman to work with is dev.xxx.net.
> > > cat /usr/local/vpopmail/domains/dev.xxxx.net/.qmail-default
> > |/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
> > | /usr/local/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox
> >
> > (the qmail-to-mailman.py script is the one from the mailman/contrib/
> > directory).
> >
> > python is an acceptable version:
> > > python
> > Python 2.2 (#1, Jan  3 2002, 21:54:19)
> > [GCC 2.95.3 [FreeBSD] 20010315 (release)] on freebsd4
> > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more
information.
> >
> > if i take out the qmail-to-mailman.py from
> > domain/dev.xxxx.net/.qmail-default, all mail to dev.xxxx.net
bounces, as
> > it should because of the 'bounce-no-mailbox' line after it.  thus, i
> > suspect that qmail-to-mailman.py is getting the mail but (silently)
> > dropping or not doing what it should be doing with it.
> >
> > /home/mailman/logs has some things of interest:
> >
> > > tail post
> > (some lines removed because they are all the same/similar)
> > Apr 12 21:03:03 2002 (80009) post to test1-work from
> > test1-work-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=767, 1 failures
> > Apr 12 21:04:01 2002 (80021) post to test2-mmantest from
> > test2-mmantest-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=783, 1 failures
> > Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) post to testproj-test from
> > testproj-test-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=779, 1 failures
> > Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) post to test1-work from
> > test1-work-request at dev.xxxx.net, size=767, 1 failures
> >
> > > tail smtp
> > Apr 12 21:04:01 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.199
> > seconds
> > Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) All recipients refused: (61,
'Connection
> > refused')
> > Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.156
> > seconds
> > Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) All recipients refused: (61,
'Connection
> > refused')
> > Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80021) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.164
> > seconds
> > Apr 12 21:04:55 2002 (80029) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.319
> > seconds
> > Apr 12 21:05:02 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.458
> > seconds
> > Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.416
> > seconds
> > Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80052) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.432
> > seconds
> > Apr 12 21:07:56 2002 (80084) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.296
> > seconds
> >
> > > tail qrunner
> > Apr 12 20:53:02 2002 (79833) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 20:55:03 2002 (79869) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 20:57:02 2002 (79910) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 20:58:02 2002 (79919) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 20:59:02 2002 (79929) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 21:00:03 2002 (79956) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 21:02:02 2002 (79996) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 21:03:02 2002 (80010) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 21:04:02 2002 (80022) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 12 21:05:03 2002 (80047) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> >
> > anyone have any ideas? is there a place where the i can get more
> > information on the problem mailman is having besides 'size=767, 1
> > failures'?
> > any ideas/help would be much appreciated.
> >
> > -tom
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>





From dreamboy at aros.net  Tue Apr 16 00:00:36 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:00:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Majordomo to Mailman
Message-ID: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNCEHICLAA.dreamboy@aros.net>

Is there a script of any kind to easily convert from
using a Majordomo type of mailinglist to Mailman?





From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Tue Apr 16 00:03:09 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:03:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-subscribe from database
In-Reply-To: <004d01c1e4b0$35a46db0$e10311ac@JohnWLaptop>
References: <004d01c1e4b0$35a46db0$e10311ac@JohnWLaptop>
Message-ID: <20020416000309.C22167@goldfisch.at>

imho mailman is far from accessing odbc-sources.
 
Your solution is to write a small perl-script that accesses you
acessdatabase, checks for new entries after the last call and add this
entries using the add_members program coming with mailman.
 
Of course it does not need to be perl ;)
 
peter

On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 03:03:20PM -0400, John Wildgrube wrote:
> I have a database of clients and their personal information (in a custom
> database designed in ACCESS) for my orgaization.  When a new member
> joines our organization, I enter their information into this database
> and, as part of our organizational benefits, they are automatically
> included in one of our member list serve discussion groups.  What I
> would like to do it to have their email address to be automatically
> subscribed when inputting the information into the ACCESS database --
> does Mailman have any ODBC capabilities?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 




From matt at remedyx.com  Tue Apr 16 00:29:29 2002
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:29:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Majordomo to Mailman
In-Reply-To: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNCEHICLAA.dreamboy@aros.net>
References: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNCEHICLAA.dreamboy@aros.net>
Message-ID: <2102202859.20020415152929@remedyx.com>

Hello Devin,

Monday, April 15, 2002, 3:00:36 PM, Devin Atencio wrote:

> Is there a script of any kind to easily convert from
> using a Majordomo type of mailinglist to Mailman?

Take a look at /home/mailman/bin/digest_arch.  It can convert majordomo digests
into mailbox format.

-- 
Regards,
 Matt                            mailto:matt at remedyx.com





From tneff at bigfoot.com  Tue Apr 16 00:55:33 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:55:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
Message-ID: <2199515.1018896933@t283742ghzz>

I will definitely issue an editing patch for 2.1 when it goes gold.  Since 
this is one of their "we don't think you should WANT to do this" 
hot-buttons, like controlling the List-* headers, I don't want to issue 
patches for prerelease versions and encourage them to do any 
counter-engineering.

--On Monday, April 15, 2002 2:09 PM -0700 Marc MERLIN 
<marc_news at vasoftware.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 07:55:01AM -0400, Tom Neff wrote:
>> "Billie R. McNamara" <billie at tnhillbillie.net> wrote:
>> > We are using version 2.0.8 for a moderated list.  But, we aren't able
>> > to edit messages before approving them (for example, to delete just one
>> > inappropriate word).
>> >
>> > How can we do this?
>>
>> There is a FAQ entry that wants you to hand edit various spool files,
>> but  you can patch 2.0.8 to allow message editing.
>
> I think the patch will be necessary for mailman 2.1, it unfortunately
> stores the message on disk in a database format, making hand editing on
> the mm server not that easy.





From katsu at sra.co.jp  Tue Apr 16 01:00:31 2002
From: katsu at sra.co.jp (WATANABE Katsuhiro)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:00:31 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A break of symmetry regard to generic address
Message-ID: <20020416080031M.katsu@sra.co.jp>

Assume you have two addresses
    generic at generic.dom
and
    specific at specific.generic.dom
, and your mailman's SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1 (default in Defaults.py).
If generic at generic.dom is a member, subscribe request from
specific at specific.generic.dom is rejected because of
`Already a member`. In turn, even if specific at specific.generic.dom
is a member, subscribe request from generic at generic.dom is accepted
gracefully. The consequence of the latter case is having both two
addresses in the list, which is considered conflict in the former case.
I cannot tell whether you should have only one or both two of them,
though I feel a break of symmetry. What do you feel about it?

I have tried above with mailman-2.0.8 .
-- 
WATANABE Katsuhiro




From katsu at sra.co.jp  Tue Apr 16 01:08:13 2002
From: katsu at sra.co.jp (WATANABE Katsuhiro)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:08:13 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A break of symmetry regard to generic address
In-Reply-To: <20020416080031M.katsu@sra.co.jp>
References: <20020416080031M.katsu@sra.co.jp>
Message-ID: <20020416080813V.katsu@sra.co.jp>

WATANABE Katsuhiro <katsu at sra.co.jp> in [Mailman-Users] A break of symmetry regard to generic address
> Assume you have two addresses
>     generic at generic.dom
> and
>     specific at specific.generic.dom

Amendment:
specific at specific.generic.dom should be generic at specific.generic.dom,
or you cannot see any conflicts.
-- 
WATANABE Katsuhiro




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Apr 16 01:30:29 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
Message-ID: <200204152330.g3FNUhWk001813@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Which "they" do you have in mind?

No one that I'm aware of on the Mailman team is against the
idea of editing messages in the moderation process.

> I will definitely issue an editing patch for 2.1 when it goes gold.  Since 
> this is one of their "we don't think you should WANT to do this" 
> hot-buttons, like controlling the List-* headers, I don't want to issue 
> patches for prerelease versions and encourage them to do any 
> counter-engineering.
> 
> --On Monday, April 15, 2002 2:09 PM -0700 Marc MERLIN 
> <marc_news at vasoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 07:55:01AM -0400, Tom Neff wrote:
> >> "Billie R. McNamara" <billie at tnhillbillie.net> wrote:
> >> > We are using version 2.0.8 for a moderated list.  But, we aren't able
> >> > to edit messages before approving them (for example, to delete just one
> >> > inappropriate word).
> >> >
> >> > How can we do this?
> >>
> >> There is a FAQ entry that wants you to hand edit various spool files,
> >> but  you can patch 2.0.8 to allow message editing.
> >
> > I think the patch will be necessary for mailman 2.1, it unfortunately
> > stores the message on disk in a database format, making hand editing on
> > the mm server not that easy.





From tneff at bigfoot.com  Tue Apr 16 01:31:04 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:31:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
In-Reply-To: <200204152330.g3FNUhWk001813@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200204152330.g3FNUhWk001813@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <4330187.1018899064@t283742ghzz>

--On Monday, April 15, 2002 4:30 PM -0700 Dan Mick 
<dmick at utopia.west.sun.com> wrote:
> No one that I'm aware of on the Mailman team is against the
> idea of editing messages in the moderation process.

That's terrific news!

I will issue my patch when 2.1 goes gold.





From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 16 01:45:10 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:45:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-subscribe from database 
In-Reply-To: Message from "John Wildgrube" <jwildgrube@hotpop.com> 
   of "Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:03:20 EDT." <004d01c1e4b0$35a46db0$e10311ac@JohnWLaptop> 
References: <004d01c1e4b0$35a46db0$e10311ac@JohnWLaptop> 
Message-ID: <18868.1018914310@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:03:20 -0400 
John Wildgrube <jwildgrube at hotpop.com> wrote:

> does Mailman have any ODBC capabilities?

Not in 2.0, yes in 2.1 if someone writes a plugin/adaptor.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From katsu at sra.co.jp  Tue Apr 16 02:31:02 2002
From: katsu at sra.co.jp (WATANABE Katsuhiro)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:31:02 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-bin/archives is confused with null params
Message-ID: <20020416093102S.katsu@sra.co.jp>

Almost all web site running mailman has a tiny bug in parameter
handling in $prefix/cgi-bin/archives.

If you knock http://any.site/mailman/archives (or our flagship
http://mail.python.org/mailman/archives for an instance),
you will get: 
    Bug in Mailman version x.yy.zz...
    We're sorry, we hit a bug!
    Please inform the webmaster...
Although the problem has no real harm and fix will come trivially,
I've enjoyed the universality and breadth of the symptom for a while.
-- 
WATANABE Katsuhiro
Software Research Associates, Inc.




From che at debian.org  Tue Apr 16 02:39:36 2002
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:39:36 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server Side Includes
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020415163624.03c9b088@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6DD0A752-50D2-11D6-AE99-0003931E4DBC@debian.org>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 12:44 , Richard Barrett wrote:

> Surely, if you are using the built-in pipermail archiver, you can also 
> set a list's archive to private on the Archive Options web GUI admin 
> page. The list archives are then not available through the /pipermail/ 
> URI path element but are accessed via the /mailman/private/ path which 
> is serviced by the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py script. This script 
> uses cookie authentication for which the user credentials are the list 
> member's mail address and their associated list password and restricts 
> archive access to list members only.

This is fine if you want to restrict to list members, but for academic 
review sorts of lists, you often want to grant archive viewing 
privileges to everyone at the university, or everyone in a certain Unix 
group, etc.

In those cases, using Apache (or whatever) access directives is needed 
and works fine.

Ben





From yuet at wildmail.com  Tue Apr 16 04:35:12 2002
From: yuet at wildmail.com (Lau Yuet)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:35:12 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI error, please help!
Message-ID: <10CBF5BFE95DD94409532826F1E4F2C7@yuet.wildmail.com>

Hi,

I'm new on mailman. I've just installed the mailman version 2.0.9 on 
my machine days ago, running Mandrake 8.1 and Postfix.
I got the following error message when I try to view the listinfo 
page, what should I do to fix the problem? Please kindly help me.

Lewis
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Mailman CGI error!!!
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as 
set by the Web server.
The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed 
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close 
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being 
stored in your syslog: 

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to 
take 48?)


Jesus Christ, our help for 
today, our hope for tomorrow.
http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife!




From lists at mmf.at  Tue Apr 16 04:56:01 2002
From: lists at mmf.at (Erich Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:56:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I set up Mailman without root access?
Message-ID: <000d01c1e4f2$3ec37520$0100a8c0@quetzalcoatl>

I'm on a shared server and need some localization of Mailman to German
which my hosting company cannot provide. Can I set up Mailman in
user-space without root access with full control over the configuration?

Erich
--
Erich Schreiber
MultiMediaForge





From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 16 04:56:49 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:56:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI error, please help! 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Lau Yuet" <yuet@wildmail.com> 
   of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:35:12 +0800." <10CBF5BFE95DD94409532826F1E4F2C7@yuet.wildmail.com> 
References: <10CBF5BFE95DD94409532826F1E4F2C7@yuet.wildmail.com> 
Message-ID: <21599.1018925809@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:35:12 +0800 
Lau Yuet <yuet at wildmail.com> wrote:

> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to
> take 48?)


Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From joseph at femalenetwork.com  Tue Apr 16 04:23:55 2002
From: joseph at femalenetwork.com (Joseph)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:23:55 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get number of members
Message-ID: <005901c1e4ed$c2968130$3401c8be@JOSEPH>

Hello everyon,

Is there a command where i would know how many are subscribed on the list?

thx =)






From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Tue Apr 16 07:27:30 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:27:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing a list of addresses
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111>

is there a way to import multiple users at once (as an admin) into a list 
and make set them as subscribers?
I have an export from a database that I use and I would like to add users 
all at once without emailing them
and asking them to subscribe to a list again.

Thanks

Dene





From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 16 08:07:57 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:07:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get number of members 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Joseph" <joseph@femalenetwork.com> 
   of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:23:55 +1000." <005901c1e4ed$c2968130$3401c8be@JOSEPH> 
References: <005901c1e4ed$c2968130$3401c8be@JOSEPH> 
Message-ID: <24145.1018937277@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:23:55 +1000 
joseph  <joseph at femalenetwork.com> wrote:

> Hello everyon, Is there a command where i would know how many are
> subscribed on the list?

Its on the admin members page.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 16 08:08:36 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:08:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing a list of addresses 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dene Ulmschneider <dene@ulmschneiders.com> 
   of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:27:30 EDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111> 
Message-ID: <24175.1018937316@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:27:30 -0400 
Dene Ulmschneider <dene at ulmschneiders.com> wrote:

> is there a way to import multiple users at once (as an admin) into a
> list and make set them as subscribers?  

~mailman/bin/add_members

> I have an export from a database that I use and I would like to add
> users all at once without emailing them and asking them to subscribe
> to a list again.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From haberland at altus.de  Tue Apr 16 10:56:22 2002
From: haberland at altus.de (Juri Haberland)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:56:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin-interface does not work with konqueror
References: <20020415201618.C2269@goldfisch.at>
Message-ID: <3CBBE736.3040701@altus.de>

pilsl at goldfisch.at wrote:
> Whenever I use the admin-interface with konqueror I get the following
> problem:
> 
> "Error decoding authorization cookie" after the first submit of
> configs. This "sure" is a problem with mailman, cause I use konqueror
> very frequently and never got a similar message before.
>  Dont have problems with any other browser but with all konquerors I
> tried ..

Hmm, so if all other browsers work, why is it a problem of Mailman and
not Konqueror?

Btw, Konqueror 3.0 works fine for me, but 2.x didn't.

Cheers,
Juri

-- 
  If each of us have one object, and we exchange them,
     then each of us still has one object.
  If each of us have one idea,   and we exchange them,
     then each of us now has two ideas.





From pilsl at goldfisch.at  Tue Apr 16 12:42:04 2002
From: pilsl at goldfisch.at (pilsl at goldfisch.at)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:42:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin-interface does not work with konqueror
In-Reply-To: <3CBBE736.3040701@altus.de>
References: <20020415201618.C2269@goldfisch.at> <3CBBE736.3040701@altus.de>
Message-ID: <20020416124204.D3204@goldfisch.at>

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 10:56:22AM +0200, Juri Haberland wrote:
> pilsl at goldfisch.at wrote:
> > Whenever I use the admin-interface with konqueror I get the following
> > problem:
> > 
> > "Error decoding authorization cookie" after the first submit of
> > configs. This "sure" is a problem with mailman, cause I use konqueror
> > very frequently and never got a similar message before.
> >  Dont have problems with any other browser but with all konquerors I
> > tried ..
> 
> Hmm, so if all other browsers work, why is it a problem of Mailman and
> not Konqueror?
> 


cause konqueror doesnt have problems with cookies on any other webpage
:) ok - those arguments dont strike. seems there is an incompatibility
between konqueror 2.x and mailman 2..9.x.

maybe its better with mailman 2.1 or I need to upgrade to konquerer
3.0 ...

thnx,
peter

> Btw, Konqueror 3.0 works fine for me, but 2.x didn't.
> 
> Cheers,
> Juri
> 
> -- 
>   If each of us have one object, and we exchange them,
>      then each of us still has one object.
>   If each of us have one idea,   and we exchange them,
>      then each of us now has two ideas.
> 
> 
> 
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> 




From ian.stanley at shazamteam.com  Tue Apr 16 15:08:53 2002
From: ian.stanley at shazamteam.com (ian stanley)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:08:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restrictions needed
Message-ID: <200204161306.JAA02551@agamemnon.cnchost.com>

Running:
GNU Mailman over postfix

Problem:

I need to setup a departmental mailing list[s], say       

      test at lists.<our_domain_name> 

I must allow posting to other users at our domain [who may/not be on the list]

Posting should be available from dialup  users who are working from home - 
who will have a mail from address of 

     username@<our domain name>

I must also allow posting to other users who are on the list but not on the 
domain [eg external suppliers etc]


Is this to be done in postfix or Mailman?

t.i.a.


Ian Stanley




From valites at geneseo.edu  Tue Apr 16 14:42:56 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:42:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple admin message locking
Message-ID: <3CBC1C50.5000506@geneseo.edu>

How exactly does the requestdb page function?  From playing around with 
it, I've come up with these questions:

When visited, the pending request page loads appropriate messages from 
the qfiles dir into the browser of a list admin.  From there, the admin 
may or may not edit the message & happily send it on it's way out or one 
of the other options.  Ans I correct in what I've come up with so far & 
does the message that gets sent come directly from the message in the 
admin's browser?

What would happen in this situation: Two admins both opened the requetdb 
page at nearly the same time, so that both of them had all pending 
requests in front of them to approve.  The first admin approves a 
message & it gets sent to the list.  The second admin still has this 
message in their browser, and not knowing the first admin has already 
approved it, they too approve it.  Does the message get sent twice? 
I've also denied a message, mindlessly gone back in my browser history & 
approved the previously denied message.  It too appears to have gotten 
sent out.

Are these situations in fact possible?  or is there some other type of 
locking implemented or a way to prevent such situations?





From chk at pobox.com  Tue Apr 16 16:56:58 2002
From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:56:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: admin-interface does not work with konqueror
In-Reply-To: pilsl's message of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:42:04 +0200".
	 <20020416124204.D3204@goldfisch.at> 
References: <20020415201618.C2269@goldfisch.at> <3CBBE736.3040701@altus.de>
            <20020416124204.D3204@goldfisch.at>
Message-ID: <29393.1018969018@elisabeth.cfrq.net>

> cause konqueror doesnt have problems with cookies on any other webpage
> :) ok - those arguments dont strike.

How would you know?

My employer's software uses base64-encoded data for session cookies;
Konquerer (unknown version) returns them to us mangled also. I suggest
you look there first.

-- 
Harald Koch     <chk at pobox.com>




From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 16 17:33:10 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender domain must exist
Message-ID: <20020416153310.19493.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a problem, when i try sending a mail to a list
from outside the domain the following error comes can
any one help me out.


Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to host.anotherdomain.com.:
>>> MAIL From:<me at myhost.int.mydomain.org>
<<< 501 <me at myhost.int.mydomain.org>... Sender domain
must exist
501 <someone at anotherdomain.com>... Data format error

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From fogal_t at chasma.net  Tue Apr 16 17:47:50 2002
From: fogal_t at chasma.net (tom)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:47:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender domain must exist
References: <20020416153310.19493.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c1e55e$104c58d0$b100000a@fogalt>

sounds to me like you have a fake domain setup, which you're using to
send mail from.. the remote server is dropping your mail because it
can't resolve your domain.
just a guess..

-tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "sunny" <hellozappy2k at yahoo.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender domain must exist


> I have a problem, when i try sending a mail to a list
> from outside the domain the following error comes can
> any one help me out.
>
>
> Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to host.anotherdomain.com.:
> >>> MAIL From:<me at myhost.int.mydomain.org>
> <<< 501 <me at myhost.int.mydomain.org>... Sender domain
> must exist
> 501 <someone at anotherdomain.com>... Data format error
>
> __________________________________________________
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>





From sholmes at route-fu.net  Tue Apr 16 18:45:19 2002
From: sholmes at route-fu.net (Seth H Holmes)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:45:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0.8
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161243130.16413-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>

I upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0.9 on my debian system this afternoon. I
downloaded the unstable packages libc6_2.2.5-4_i386.deb and
mailman_2.0.9-1_i386.deb from debian.org. These were all I needed to make
things work and everything is working just fine.

------------------------------------------------
Seth H Holmes
sholmes at route-fu.net	http://www.route-fu.net
sholmes at gbuonline.com	http://www.gbuonline.com
ICQ: 10085439	AIM: sholmes7443





From sholmes at route-fu.net  Tue Apr 16 18:53:27 2002
From: sholmes at route-fu.net (Seth H Holmes)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:53:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lack of sucjects, html and more
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161237010.16413-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>

I have muddled through the list archives and the FAQ for mailman and have
not seen any indication as to a few concerns of mine.

I recently upgraded to Mailman 2.0.9 from... around 1.1 I think. (Talk
about being lazy.) So far, I like what I see. There are a few things I'd
like to be able to do which I have not determined whether or not they are
possible.

1) I want to either reject or hold for approval all messages submitted
   without a subject. I know mailman replaces a blank subject with "(no
   subject)" so there must be some hook in there somewhere. I have tried
   regular expressions such as:

	subject:$
	subject *: *$

   which, if my regexp-fu is correct, should catch blank subject lines.
   And they are not.

2) HTML mail is just wrong. I'd like to strip all HTML from postings
   leaving a plain text document. They may not be pretty put they get the
   message across.

3) Attachments to mailing lists are also wrong and suck up disk space. I'd
   like to find a way to strip attachments from posts and send them to
   either the bit bucket or a specific directory.

I have _no_ experience in python programming and I was lazy enough that I
just installed the Debian package for this. But I'm willing to put in the
effort to rid myself of these three headaches.

Thanks in advance for all advice.

------------------------------------------------
Seth H Holmes
sholmes at route-fu.net	http://www.route-fu.net
sholmes at gbuonline.com	http://www.gbuonline.com
ICQ: 10085439	AIM: sholmes7443







From sholmes at route-fu.net  Tue Apr 16 18:57:56 2002
From: sholmes at route-fu.net (Seth H Holmes)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:57:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lack of sucjects, html and more
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161237010.16413-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161257000.16413-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Seth H Holmes wrote:

> 2) HTML mail is just wrong. I'd like to strip all HTML from postings
>    leaving a plain text document. They may not be pretty put they get the
>    message across.
>
> 3) Attachments to mailing lists are also wrong and suck up disk space. I'd
>    like to find a way to strip attachments from posts and send them to
>    either the bit bucket or a specific directory.

Within moments of sending this message, I found an answer to these two
questions (in the FAQ of all places). The first one still eludes me.

------------------------------------------------
Seth H Holmes
sholmes at route-fu.net	http://www.route-fu.net
sholmes at gbuonline.com	http://www.gbuonline.com
ICQ: 10085439	AIM: sholmes7443





From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 16 19:29:19 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:29:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin-interface does not work with konqueror 
In-Reply-To: Message from Juri Haberland <haberland@altus.de> 
   of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:56:22 +0200." <3CBBE736.3040701@altus.de> 
References: <20020415201618.C2269@goldfisch.at>  <3CBBE736.3040701@altus.de> 
Message-ID: <32167.1018978159@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:56:22 +0200 
Juri Haberland <haberland at altus.de> wrote:
> pilsl at goldfisch.at wrote:

>> "Error decoding authorization cookie" after the first submit of
>> configs. This "sure" is a problem with mailman, cause I use konqueror
>> very frequently and never got a similar message before.  Dont have
>> problems with any other browser but with all konquerors I tried ..

> Hmm, so if all other browsers work, why is it a problem of Mailman and
> not Konqueror?

This is a known problem, that IIRC was based on bugs in Konqueror.  See
the list archives for details.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 16 19:32:17 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:32:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lack of sucjects, html and more 
In-Reply-To: Message from Seth H Holmes <sholmes@route-fu.net> 
   of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:53:27 EDT." <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161237010.16413-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161237010.16413-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net> 
Message-ID: <32281.1018978337@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:53:27 -0400 (EDT) 
Seth H Holmes <Seth> wrote:

> 2) HTML mail is just wrong. I'd like to strip all HTML from postings
> leaving a plain text document. They may not be pretty put they get the
> message across.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

> 3) Attachments to mailing lists are also wrong and suck up disk
> space. I'd like to find a way to strip attachments from posts and send
> them to either the bit bucket or a specific directory.

See the FAQ again, and then you'll probably need to do some procmail
scripting to handle the stripping, storage, etc.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From reed at affero.com  Tue Apr 16 19:34:53 2002
From: reed at affero.com (Christopher Reed)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:34:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: [Sales] OT: Affero
Message-ID: <20020416103453.2a39a42e.reed@affero.com>

Apologies in advance if this feels spammy. I showed it to Barry first 
and he was interested in seeing what people thought of the idea
~~~~
I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots way for people to
donate money to various non-profits & projects such as Apache, Hurd,
EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation might be in response
to some helpful feedback given by that developer in response to a
question; it might be because their name and URL were in some software
they used.  Affero takes a bit off the top for our expenses, which we
think is reasonable given the costs involved in credit card auth and
the like. The software used to deliver the service is open source.

For example, take a look at a link I created below. 

http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=creed&p=Projects

People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of which goes to the
Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.

We're very interested in any comments and feedback on the
site/service. You can check it out at http://www.affero.com.
BTW, we have been told that we should lower the $15.00 minimum.
What do you think about that?

Thanks

Reed

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Offer your feedback and support a worthy cause at Affero
http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=creed&p=KDE

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Office: 415 371 9900
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From yuet at wildmail.com  Tue Apr 16 19:45:16 2002
From: yuet at wildmail.com (Lau Yuet)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:45:16 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not send mail to the list
Message-ID: <7E46C4EB3802DCB4AA3CF2CC2345C40D@yuet.wildmail.com>

Hi,

I've installed mailman 2.0.9 on Mandrake 8.1,
using Postfix as the MTA. After I created a list
called "test1" from the mailman admin webpage,
and add some members to the list, those member's
email account do receive a welcome message.
However, when I try to send a message onto my
list with the email address provided by the
welcome message (test1 at list.no-ip.org), I get a
"Undelivered Mail Returned" Message from the
"MAILER-DEAMON at list.no-ip.org" soon. The error
message is:

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message
returned
below could not be delivered to one or more
destinations.

			The Postfix program

<test1 at list.no-ip.org>: unknown user: "test1"


What should I do? Please kindly help me.

Lewis


Jesus Christ, our help for 
today, our hope for tomorrow.
http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife!




From eje4 at cornell.edu  Tue Apr 16 19:53:31 2002
From: eje4 at cornell.edu (Eric Evans)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:53:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem again
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416134733.00b3cae0@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu>

Hi,

I'm still unable to install Mailman, and as someone pointed out to me 
yesterday, it is because of a Python problem.  When I run configure, a 
module called conftest.py tries to import a module called pwd, which 
unfortunately is not present, anywhere.  Does anyone know where this 
mysterious pwd.py file comes from, or where it normally resides?  It does 
not appear to be a part of the standard Python 2.2 installation.

Thanks a lot,
Eric





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Apr 16 20:06:03 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:06:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem again
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416134733.00b3cae0@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <3CBC680B.50F120EF@utopia.west.sun.com>

In my build (Solaris SPARC), it's not a pwd.py file; it's a
pwd.so, and it's built by this line from Modules/Setup:

pwd pwdmodule.c         # pwd(3)

Eric Evans wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm still unable to install Mailman, and as someone pointed out to me
> yesterday, it is because of a Python problem.  When I run configure, a
> module called conftest.py tries to import a module called pwd, which
> unfortunately is not present, anywhere.  Does anyone know where this
> mysterious pwd.py file comes from, or where it normally resides?  It does
> not appear to be a part of the standard Python 2.2 installation.
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> Eric
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 16 20:18:50 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:18:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem again 
In-Reply-To: Message from Eric Evans <eje4@cornell.edu> 
   of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:53:31 EDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20020416134733.00b3cae0@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416134733.00b3cae0@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu> 
Message-ID: <837.1018981130@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:53:31 -0400 
Eric Evans <eje4 at cornell.edu> wrote:

> Hi, I'm still unable to install Mailman, and as someone pointed out to
> me yesterday, it is because of a Python problem.  When I run
> configure, a module called conftest.py tries to import a module called
> pwd, which unfortunately is not present, anywhere.  Does anyone know
> where this mysterious pwd.py file comes from, or where it normally
> resides?  It does not appear to be a part of the standard Python 2.2
> installation.

$  dpkg -S pwd 
...
python2.1: /usr/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/pwd.so
...

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From barry at zope.com  Tue Apr 16 20:47:23 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
References: <2199515.1018896933@t283742ghzz>
Message-ID: <15548.29115.491837.713818@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "tneff" ==   <tneff at bigfoot.com> writes:

    tneff> I will definitely issue an editing patch for 2.1 when it
    tneff> goes gold.  Since this is one of their "we don't think you
    tneff> should WANT to do this" hot-buttons, like controlling the
    tneff> List-* headers, I don't want to issue patches for
    tneff> prerelease versions and encourage them to do any
    tneff> counter-engineering.

(Coming in late on this thread -BAW)

I have nothing philosophically against editing message while they're
held for approval, I simply think that a decent web interface for this
is problematic, especially if you want to properly handle multiple
character sets and MIME.  I certainly wouldn't deliberately
"counter-engineer" against efforts to produce a usable interface to
such a feature, but it would have to wait until after MM2.1 to be
adopted officially.

-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Tue Apr 16 20:49:28 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:49:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-bin/archives is confused with null params
References: <20020416093102S.katsu@sra.co.jp>
Message-ID: <15548.29240.551160.802470@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "WK" == WATANABE Katsuhiro <katsu at sra.co.jp> writes:

    WK> Almost all web site running mailman has a tiny bug in
    WK> parameter handling in $prefix/cgi-bin/archives.

Folks should remove $prefix/cgi-bin/archives; it's an appendix.

-Barry




From tneff at bigfoot.com  Tue Apr 16 20:59:01 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:59:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
In-Reply-To: <15548.29115.491837.713818@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <15548.29115.491837.713818@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <4531546.1018969141@tom-9k5kaocfpin>

It's difficult to edit message bodies with encoded MIME parts, although one 
can still edit the headers.  For plain text messages, I have found the 
2.0.8 patch (which simply places headers and body in separate editable 
textareas) to be usable.  It sure would be nice if someone would make a 
better textarea editor for Mozilla though!





From fogal_t at chasma.net  Tue Apr 16 21:04:40 2002
From: fogal_t at chasma.net (tom)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:04:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not send mail to the list
References: <7E46C4EB3802DCB4AA3CF2CC2345C40D@yuet.wildmail.com>
Message-ID: <015101c1e579$8f936690$b100000a@fogalt>

unknown user: "test1" - sounds like postfix isnt setup to recognize the
user.
consult postfix's docs on how to add the user to the system.

-tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lau Yuet" <yuet at wildmail.com>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not send mail to the list


> Hi,
>
> I've installed mailman 2.0.9 on Mandrake 8.1,
> using Postfix as the MTA. After I created a list
> called "test1" from the mailman admin webpage,
> and add some members to the list, those member's
> email account do receive a welcome message.
> However, when I try to send a message onto my
> list with the email address provided by the
> welcome message (test1 at list.no-ip.org), I get a
> "Undelivered Mail Returned" Message from the
> "MAILER-DEAMON at list.no-ip.org" soon. The error
> message is:
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message
> returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more
> destinations.
>
> The Postfix program
>
> <test1 at list.no-ip.org>: unknown user: "test1"
>
>
> What should I do? Please kindly help me.
>
> Lewis
>
>
> Jesus Christ, our help for
> today, our hope for tomorrow.
> http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save
Wildlife!
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From joel at webbgroup.net  Tue Apr 16 21:14:39 2002
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:14:39 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner failures
Message-ID: <20020416.79H.01950600@www.webbgroup.net>

I have been searching for a fix for this and haven't found any. I updated last
night to 2.0.9 but it hasn't fixed the problem.


I am able to submit mail without getting bounce errors, but mailman isn't mailing
out the messages.
the qrunner log says:
Could not acquire qrunner lock

the smtp log says:
smtp for 56 recips, completed in 2276.312 seconds

the post log says:
post to <mailing list> from <emailaddress>, size=1602, 55 failures

How can I fix this issue??
--
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
Senior Engineer
WebbGroup Network Systems L.L.C.
webbgroup.net
336.841.7241 x101
336.841.6068 (f)






From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Apr 16 21:15:56 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:15:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lack of sucjects, html and more
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161237010.16413-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161237010.16413-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>
Message-ID: <p05101501b8e226109720@[207.149.192.229]>

At 12:53 -0400 4/16/2002, Seth H Holmes wrote:
>1) I want to either reject or hold for approval all messages submitted
>   without a subject. I know mailman replaces a blank subject with "(no
>   subject)" so there must be some hook in there somewhere. I have tried
>   regular expressions such as:
>
>	subject:$
>	subject *: *$

I haven't read the relevant part of the Mailman code, so I have to pose a
question:
Does the application of regular expressions to the headers of a message
happen before or after Mailman has filled in the subject with "(no
subject)"?

A quick grep of the source finds several matches to the string
   no subject
including repeated calls to
  something = msgsubject = msg.get('subject', '(no subject)')
(with various "something"s).

So it looks as if the message is unchanged, and blank subjects are "fixed"
on the fly.

I suspect you should try using a regular expression which looks for the
   (no subject)
string--alone as the subject, probably, so that you don't catch a message like
...
Subject: Catching messages with Subject: (no subject)
...

This is from a somewhat old Mailman...the instance in Hold.py looks
promising at first glance:

Handlers/CookHeaders.py:            msg['Subject'] = prefix + '(no subject)'
Handlers/Hold.py:         'subject'    : msg.get('subject', '(no subject)'),
Handlers/ToUsenet.py:        msg['Subject'] = subjpref + '(no subject)'
ListAdmin.py:        msgsubject = msg.get('subject', '(no subject)')
Message.py:            subject = '(no subject)'

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA




From sholmes at route-fu.net  Tue Apr 16 21:53:06 2002
From: sholmes at route-fu.net (Seth H Holmes)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:53:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lack of sucjects, html and more
In-Reply-To: <p05101501b8e226109720@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204161551590.24471-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, John W Baxter wrote:

> I suspect you should try using a regular expression which looks for the
>    (no subject)
> string--alone as the subject, probably, so that you don't catch a message like
> ...
> Subject: Catching messages with Subject: (no subject)
> ...

I did try this to no avail. All it catches are the replies to the original
e-mail. But thanks.

------------------------------------------------
Seth H Holmes
sholmes at route-fu.net	http://www.route-fu.net
sholmes at gbuonline.com	http://www.gbuonline.com
ICQ: 10085439	AIM: sholmes7443





From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Tue Apr 16 23:06:05 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:06:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman rpm using exim
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831701285ACC@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

Does anyone know where to find an rpm for mailman
that uses exim and not sendmail?

Ed Rantanen




From mailman at whitworks.com  Tue Apr 16 23:57:44 2002
From: mailman at whitworks.com (mailman at whitworks.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:57:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modifying archive setup
In-Reply-To: <4531546.1018969141@tom-9k5kaocfpin>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204161651150.25668-100000@host.whitworks.com>


I would like to modify the way mailman's archives appear.  I figured out
how to change the archive directories to have .shtml files instead of
.html so I can use server side includes for headers/footers to match the
rest of my site.  Now I need to modify it so the actual files within the
archives end in .html AND a copy in .shtml format.

In other words, I want the file in the archive: 

http://mysite.com/pipermail/myslit_mysite.com/2002-April/000000.html 

to be 2002-April/000000.shtml and 2002-April/000000.html  (one will be a 
printer friendly version and the .shtml file will have headers, footers, 
etc)

Any hints as to where to look to make these changes will be greatly 
appreciated!

Valerie





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Apr 17 00:43:24 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] create, delete a list
In-Reply-To: <000201c1e433$f4b93cd0$03010a0a@raiknbpro>
References: <000201c1e433$f4b93cd0$03010a0a@raiknbpro>
Message-ID: <20020416224323.GA18961@merlins.org>

On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 11:13:53PM -0500, Raik Nettling wrote:
> Is there a way to create /delete a list through a web-interface or
> e-mail ?
> http://www.acme.com/mailman/create doesn't work. I cannot find find a
> script for it.
> I'm running mailman 2.0.9 on Redhat 7.0.

You cannot create or remove lists from the web or by mail in mailman 2.0

You can do so via the web in mailman 2.1, but not by mail (unless you write
a quick interface to do that yourself)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From michael at spconnect.com  Wed Apr 17 01:12:02 2002
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:12:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identifying list owners
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204161611210.9841-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

Is there an easy way of identifying list owners from the command line? 

Thanks
Michael





From rb at islandnet.com  Wed Apr 17 02:48:37 2002
From: rb at islandnet.com (Ron Brogden)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:48:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [FAQ?] customizing Mailman per list
Message-ID: <0204161748370Q.79965@newwilly.islandnet.com>

Howdy.  I definitely apologize in advance if the following are FAQs.  If they 
are, simply point me at the proper documentation and I will scuttle away and 
stop clogging the list with extra flotsam.

=)

I am currently trying to sort out options for fully customizing Mailman on a 
per list basis.  The main bugbears at the moment are:

CGI:

- lack of a site wide header/footer for each list when using the web interface
- lack of a customizable error screen for each list 

Email:

lack of customizable templates for each list

Adding a customizable header/footer for the CGI stage is probably not too 
nasty (theoretically this would just be a case of cloning any of the current 
template editing chunks and then just making the appropriate template call in 
all the relevant spots of the CGI section.  If someone has already done this 
and has some pointers, I would definitely appreciate them.

I tried creating a duplicate of the template directory and setting 
"template_dir" in the specific list's config file but Mailman will not let me 
override this value at this stage (grrrrrr).  I am wondering if a safe 
workaround would be to simply define a new variable in the per list config 
file and then just change the main templates to something like:

%(template_name)s

where "template_name" is a variable defined in the list's config file?  The 
one gotcha I guess would be that the variable would need to be recursive so 
it could plug in on the fly values as needed.

Anyone had any luck with this or have other suggestions on how to make 
Mailman for friendly for per list customization?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can send my way.

Cheers,

Ron

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From gee at geedev.com  Wed Apr 17 04:23:52 2002
From: gee at geedev.com (Gee)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:23:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError with regex and binascii? List has stopped sending
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020416190056.02e436e8@geedev.com>

This is another one of those "now why my list has suddenly stopped 
working"  questions.

I got everything working last night. Sent some test messages. Everything 
worked OK until sometime this afternoon; now messages sent to any of my 
lists disappear into Tumbolia without a notice.

I've double checked my crontab, and made sure that crond is running, so I 
don't think that's the issue. A few data points that may be relevant...

-- Getting this beast to run was a bear 'cause RedHat 7 apparently does not 
cooperate with the #! /usr/bin/env python shebang in the scripts. I kept 
getting an error during configure that Python could not be found. I changed 
all the Python scripts to !#/usr/bin/python2.1 and things worked seemingly 
without error. Mailman installed. Lists were made. Messages were sent 
succesfully. The whole works.

-- When I noticed messages aren't going through, I checked the 
/home/mailman/logs/error file. It is rife with ImportErrors.

One began last night and has been repeating since:

Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594): Traceback (most recent call last):
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 219, in ArchiveMail
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594):     import HyperArch
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 47, in ?
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594):     from Mailman import EncWord
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py", line 21, in ?
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594):     import base64
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594):   File 
"/home/build/fcs/serverxchange/3.0.4/4/lse/prakash4/svc/linux/build/sources/pyt
hon2-2.1.1-2/INSTALL/usr/lib/python2.1/base64.py", line 7, in ?
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594):     import binascii
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 qrunner(22594): ImportError: No module named binascii
Apr 15 10:45:02 2002 (22594) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: testmm

...plus, as you cans see, there's something going on about a corrupt archive.

The other started this afternoon and has been occurring since:

Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706): Traceback (most recent call last):
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", 
line 282, in ?
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):      kids = main(lock)
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", 
line 252, in main
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):      keepqueued = 
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", 
line 121, in dispose_message
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, 
mimemsg):
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 57, in ScanMessages
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):      mod = 
__import__('Mailman.Bouncers.'+modname)
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py", line 34, in ?
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):      import regsub
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", 
line 20, in ?
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):      import regex
Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706): ImportError :  No module named regex

I double check the Pythong directory (/usr/lib/python2.1/) and there, 
indeed, is not regex module there. But the notes in the modules imply that 
there has been some sort of workaround (maybe? I have no experience with 
Python outside of this Mailman install)?

I am assuming that Mailman can indeed play well with Red Hat, but I am at a 
loss of what to do next. Big thanks in advance for any guidance.





From jeme at brelin.net  Wed Apr 17 05:01:59 2002
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:01:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Warnings from cron entries
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204162000360.30652-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

Hi.

I just updated this here Debian system and now I'm getting a warning every
time one of the mailman related cron jobs fire.

These are deprecation warnings and syntax warnings.  None appear to be
fatal.

how can I get the darn thing to hush up about warnings?

J.
-- 
   -----------------
     Jeme A Brelin
    jeme at brelin.net
   -----------------
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 http://www.openlaw.org





From acripps at cfbt.com  Wed Apr 17 10:53:55 2002
From: acripps at cfbt.com (Adam Cripps)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:53:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [newbie] Database?
Message-ID: <OF063CD743.D28BDB3E-ON80256B9E.003030B5@cfbt.com>

I've just started a new job and bring all the joys of Open Source with me.
We currently run Lotus Bloats here and use it for simple web stuff.

However, Bloats doesn't provide a nice interface for mailing lists and I'd
like to set up a standalone server to manage mailing lists. Currently, it
will be a Linux box.  I'm trying to install a test server at home (on my
own box).

As for my questions, does Mailman need a database?  I'm sure I read last
week that it did, but for the life of me cannot find the page that
commented on that.  From Linux's point for view, which is the easiest
database to set up?  I read about BerkelyDB (IIRC) - is that a standard
installation on most linux distros?  If it is, how can I check if it's
installed?

Also, which is the easiest to get Mailman to work with - Postfix, Exim or
sendmail? I know I have Postfix installed at home (and know nothing about
it) but other people on my lug group have suggested Exim. I've tried
installing Exim and it seems to need a load of other stuff. How does
Postfix go with Mailman? Good or bad?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Adam

PS. Sorry if this is a bit off-topic - I have been following the list for
only a week now. If it is, please feel free to reply via email and not on
the list (although that defeats the whole object of a mailing list :-) )


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From hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com  Wed Apr 17 14:28:17 2002
From: hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com (Hakon Brynildsen)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:28:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing settings for multiple lists
References: <F88j3tyfrnwoYnFKwdG00013b8d@hotmail.com> <20020228195830.5AA988800@camel.lrllamas.com> <20020228212224.GR5066@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <3CBD6A61.2BC84B5@framestore-cfc.com>

I know I've seen the answer to this question on this list, but I can't
find it in the archives.

I therefore ask again. (sorry all)

We have ca. 100 lists and I want to change the "Ceiling for acceptable
number of postings" variable for each one.
There is a quick command line way of doing this (A three line shell
script perhaps) but I don't remember how.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Hakon




From philippe.rasquinet at skynet.be  Wed Apr 17 15:20:30 2002
From: philippe.rasquinet at skynet.be (Philippe Rasquinet)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:20:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi, everybody
Message-ID: <200204171319.g3HDJFh15206@durendal.skynet.be>

just to say Hello

...and ask if Mailman handles a ML for each aliases in a single POP account
or if a pop account equal a mailing list.
-- 
Philippe Rasquinet
Actuellement en apprentissage linux: mandrake 8.1
Tournai, Belgique




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 17 17:03:38 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:03:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [newbie] Database?
References: <OF063CD743.D28BDB3E-ON80256B9E.003030B5@cfbt.com>
Message-ID: <005801c1e621$0ddd22f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You don't need to install a separate database.  Not with 2.0.x and not with
2.1.x, but with 2.1.x you *can* use a separate database.

Start out with Sendmail (or Postfix).  Sendmail is extremely easy to use -
though by default is not setup properly (at least in RedHat), still it works
fine and for small lists you won't notice any difference.
If you are dead-set against using Sendmail, then use Postfix.  Both work
fine with Mailman.  Exim and Qmail also work fine with Mailman, but... not
straight out of the box.  You will have to do some configuration tweaking.
Fortunately, all of it is well documented.

If you use smrsh, then you will have to make a link in the smrsh directory
that points to the wrapper which Mailman uses when sending mail.  Smrsh is a
security add-on for Sendmail and other MTA's.

Good Luck.

BTW: this seems to be extremely "on topic"... ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Cripps" <acripps at cfbt.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:53 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [newbie] Database?


> I've just started a new job and bring all the joys of Open Source with me.
> We currently run Lotus Bloats here and use it for simple web stuff.
>
> However, Bloats doesn't provide a nice interface for mailing lists and I'd
> like to set up a standalone server to manage mailing lists. Currently, it
> will be a Linux box.  I'm trying to install a test server at home (on my
> own box).
>
> As for my questions, does Mailman need a database?  I'm sure I read last
> week that it did, but for the life of me cannot find the page that
> commented on that.  From Linux's point for view, which is the easiest
> database to set up?  I read about BerkelyDB (IIRC) - is that a standard
> installation on most linux distros?  If it is, how can I check if it's
> installed?
>
> Also, which is the easiest to get Mailman to work with - Postfix, Exim or
> sendmail? I know I have Postfix installed at home (and know nothing about
> it) but other people on my lug group have suggested Exim. I've tried
> installing Exim and it seems to need a load of other stuff. How does
> Postfix go with Mailman? Good or bad?
>
> Thanks in advance for any comments.
>
> Adam
>
> PS. Sorry if this is a bit off-topic - I have been following the list for
> only a week now. If it is, please feel free to reply via email and not on
> the list (although that defeats the whole object of a mailing list :-) )
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 17 17:06:26 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:06:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Warnings from cron entries
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204162000360.30652-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>
Message-ID: <005e01c1e621$7269a540$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Update your mailman as well.

The warnings are coming from your update of Python.  If you are current on
Mailman (version 2.0.9), then you can simply re-install Mailman right over
top of your current install.  That will make the warnings go away.

If you are not current on Mailman, take this opportunity to bring yourself
up-to-date!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeme A Brelin" <jeme at brelin.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Warnings from cron entries


>
> Hi.
>
> I just updated this here Debian system and now I'm getting a warning every
> time one of the mailman related cron jobs fire.
>
> These are deprecation warnings and syntax warnings.  None appear to be
> fatal.
>
> how can I get the darn thing to hush up about warnings?
>
> J.
> --
>    -----------------
>      Jeme A Brelin
>     jeme at brelin.net
>    -----------------
>  [cc] counter-copyright
>  http://www.openlaw.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 17 17:13:42 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:13:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [newbie] Database? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Adam Cripps" <acripps@cfbt.com> 
   of "Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:53:55 BST." <OF063CD743.D28BDB3E-ON80256B9E.003030B5@cfbt.com> 
References: <OF063CD743.D28BDB3E-ON80256B9E.003030B5@cfbt.com> 
Message-ID: <16969.1019056422@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:53:55 +0100 
Adam Cripps <acripps at cfbt.com> wrote:

> As for my questions, does Mailman need a database?  

No.

> I'm sure I read last week that it did, but for the life of me cannot
> find the page that commented on that.  

v2.1 has a plugin model such that external databases could be used for
the membership roster, but natively it doesn't need a DB.

> From Linux's point for view, which is the easiest database to set up?
> I read about BerkelyDB (IIRC) - is that a standard installation on
> most linux distros?  If it is, how can I check if it's installed?

Seeing as Mailman wouldn't require this, I'll assume you don't need the
answers.

> Also, which is the easiest to get Mailman to work with - Postfix, Exim
> or sendmail? 

I'd start out by reading the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Exim and Postfix are probably equally easy.  My dismal views of Sendmail
have received enough press already.  Given what seems your relative
newness to Linux SysAdm and mail systems I'd probably recommend Exim for
its excellent documentation, sweet integration with mailman (as
documented by Nigel's HOWTO), and general good behaviour.  Postfix would
not necessarily be any more difficult, but the documentation is a bit
rougher, the learning curve a bit steeper, and the ease of integration
with Mailman is neat/slick ways (beyond just making it work) more
complicated.

> I know I have Postfix installed at home (and know nothing about it)
> but other people on my lug group have suggested Exim. I've tried
> installing Exim and it seems to need a load of other stuff. How does
> Postfix go with Mailman? Good or bad?

Postfix goes very easily, as does Exim.  Postfix would not be at all
difficult to set up, but the documentation tends to be heavier going
than the Exim docs, which is one of the reasons I recommended Exim over
the longer term.

Assuming you are running one of the more common Linux distributions,
there should be standard (or at least readily available) packages for
postfix, exim, etc,  Just find/grab and install those.  

Aside: I like, use, and run both Postfix and Exim here.  They are both
admirable MTAs.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 17 17:23:38 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:23:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identifying list owners
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204161611210.9841-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c1e623$d93c8330$0b04010a@JCARNES>

~mailman/bin/config_list -o - <listname>  |grep "owner ="

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ghens" <michael at spconnect.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:12 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identifying list owners


> Is there an easy way of identifying list owners from the command line? 
> 
> Thanks
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From rjones at email.unc.edu  Wed Apr 17 18:28:59 2002
From: rjones at email.unc.edu (RUSSELL P JONES)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through...
In-Reply-To: <005801c1e621$0ddd22f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0204171224570.64466-100000@login0.isis.unc.edu>

Hi, first off, thanks for any help from anyone :)

Everything on my mailman installation is working except for the simple
fact that nothing is getting through. I am not getting a rebounded message
stating htat there is any error, the bin/check_perms test looks good, and
the aliases are successfully forwarding the messages onto the wrapper
(after looking through the var/log/maillog)

Any ideas? Mailman is currently configured --with-mail-gid=1 which is the
group id of the daemon (earlier messages were being bounced back with the
common GID error, saying that it expected like 6 and got 1). the
DefaultUser in sendmail is commented out and set to mailNull

any ideas? Im desparate, im setting up this site for a non-profit for
students and they run like 40 lists off the site and all have been down
for 3 weeks now.

running mailman 2.0.8

Thanks

Russ Jones






From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Wed Apr 17 18:35:28 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:35:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apache problems
Message-ID: <00bb01c1e62d$e1f39b80$800ba8c0@ctews01>


Hi,

Hope someone can help me out.

I installed Mailman OK in my RedHat Linux , but the only thing I can't get right is getting it under my website.
The installation run fine (I think...)

Here's the clue, I am a (very fresh !) newbie with Apache, so I cannot figure out the parts about setting up Mailman under it.

Can anyone just help me getting the last part done?


Regards

Erik


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From o-zone at tdsiena.it  Wed Apr 17 18:37:36 2002
From: o-zone at tdsiena.it (O-Zone)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:37:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP Problem
Message-ID: <20020417163737.EA9C64E984@shining.o-zone.ath.cx>

Hi all,
i've a problem with Mailman 2.0.9 and previous releases. When i post to a 
list X and i Approve the message, message will not be sent with a lot of 
errors message in /logs/smtp_failure e /logs/smtp. 

Il /logs/stmp i see:

Apr 17 17:03:56 2002 (13952) All recipients refused: Server not connected
Apr 17 17:03:56 2002 (13952) smtp for 312 recips, completed in 5152.687 
seconds

Any Ideas ?

-- 
----




From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Wed Apr 17 18:47:36 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:47:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
Message-ID: <00da01c1e62f$93efeb30$800ba8c0@ctews01>

Hi,

Hope someone can help me out.

I installed Mailman OK in my RedHat Linux , but the only thing I can't get
right is getting it under my website.
The installation run fine (I think...)

Here's the clue, I am a (very fresh !) newbie with Apache, so I cannot
figure out the parts about setting up Mailman under it.

Can anyone just help me getting the last part done?


Regards

Erik





From spertus at mills.edu  Wed Apr 17 18:44:19 2002
From: spertus at mills.edu (Ellen Spertus)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:44:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I/O error in Runner.py when archiving under 2.1a3
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020417093456.047a9fd0@ella.mills.edu>

A mailing list of mine works except for archiving.

Whenever a message is processed, the following error shows up in Mailman's 
error log:

Apr 17 09:29:47 2002 (1253) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 5] 
Input/output error
Apr 17 09:29:47 2002 (1253) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 104, in __oneloop
     self.__onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 152, in __onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 70, in _dispose
     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 187, in 
ArchiveMail
     traceback.print_exc()
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/traceback.py", line 210, in print_exc
     print_exception(etype, value, tb, limit, file)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/traceback.py", line 122, in print_exception
     _print(file, 'Traceback (most recent call last):')
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/traceback.py", line 13, in _print
     file.write(str+terminator)
IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error

I am using 2.1a3 on Redhat.

As far as I can tell, the permissions under 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private are correct.  Root and mailman have r/w 
access to everything.

When I manually run "./arch sys 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/sys.mbox/sys.mbox" as either root or 
mailman, the archives are correctly generated.

Any suggestions?

Thank you.

Ellen






From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 17 18:59:59 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:59:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting through... 
In-Reply-To: Message from RUSSELL P JONES <rjones@email.unc.edu> 
   of "Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:28:59 EDT." <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0204171224570.64466-100000@login0.isis.unc.edu> 
References: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0204171224570.64466-100000@login0.isis.unc.edu> 
Message-ID: <19041.1019062799@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:28:59 -0400 (EDT) 
RUSSELL P JONES <RUSSELL> wrote:

> any ideas? Im desparate, im setting up this site for a non-profit for
> students and they run like 40 lists off the site and all have been
> down for 3 weeks now.

Check your cronjobs.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 17 19:02:05 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:02:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP Problem 
In-Reply-To: Message from O-Zone <o-zone@tdsiena.it> 
   of "Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:37:36 +0200." <20020417163737.EA9C64E984@shining.o-zone.ath.cx> 
References: <20020417163737.EA9C64E984@shining.o-zone.ath.cx> 
Message-ID: <19101.1019062925@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:37:36 +0200 
o-zone  <o-zone at tdsiena.it> wrote:

> Apr 17 17:03:56 2002 (13952) All recipients refused: Server not
> connected Apr 17 17:03:56 2002 (13952) smtp for 312 recips, completed
> in 5152.687 seconds

Do you have an MTA running on localhost?  Does it answer on port 25 (try
telnet)?  

Make sure you are using SMTP as your delivery method rather than
SENDMAIL (mm_cfg.py).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Wed Apr 17 19:40:17 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:40:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] refused relay (host)
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD683170128604A@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

I have mailman up and running, I can post to the list, can look at the list
archives from the web.

But when I someone tries to subscribe via the web, an entry in exim_mainlog
shows
2002-04-17 13:36:59  refused relay (host) <username at blah.net> from
<test-admin at blah.net> H=localhost.localdomain (blah.net) [127.0.0.1]

Does the cgi/mailman use a relay? 






From martin at schmitt.li  Wed Apr 17 20:42:11 2002
From: martin at schmitt.li (Martin Schmitt)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:42:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MI:3 - Installing Mailman on Solaris
Message-ID: <20020417204211.A31213@schmitt.li>

(This goes to the Mailman-Users list as well as the Sun Managers list. My
troubleshooting skills are at their very final end here.)

Hi everyone, once again.

I've returned to yet another attempt at installing Mailman 2.0.9 on my shiny 
new Solaris 8 box, and all I'm getting is:

Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex Mailman mail-wrapper: [ID 702911 mail.error] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex postfix/local[12816]: [ID 197553 mail.info] 27FA03846E: to=<testlist-request at f00.net>, relay=local, delay=0, status=deferred (Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?) )

I'm not an idiot, at least not completely, I hope. I know that this is being 
dealt with in a FAQ somewhere, I've read and followed it a few weeks ago, 
but I can't work it out. What more am I supposed to do than rm -Rf'ing 
everything Mailman related and starting over from scratch making really sure 
everything is configured right? You know, retrying over and over gets old 
after a few attempts. I've even backed away from my /opt layout and let 
mailman install to the default location /home/mailman, all to no avail.

I configured Mailman like this:

./configure --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-cgi-gid=httpd --with-mail-gid=postfix

# grep postfix /etc/passwd /etc/group
/etc/passwd:postfix:x:59999:59999::/bin/false:/bin/false
/etc/group:postfix::59999:

# grep mailman /etc/passwd /etc/group
/etc/passwd:mailman:x:59994:59994::/home/mailman:/bin/sh
/etc/group:mailman::59994:

# grep httpd /etc/passwd /etc/group
/etc/passwd:httpd:x:59996:59996::/home/httpd:/bin/false
/etc/group:httpd::59996:

# grep 60001 /etc/passwd /etc/group
/etc/passwd:nobody:x:60001:60001:Nobody:/:
/etc/group:nobody::60001:

# python -V
Python 2.2

# ls -la /home/mailman
total 40
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 .
drwxr-xr-x   5 root     other        512 Mar 17 03:04 ..
drwxrwsr-x   8 root     mailman     1536 Apr 17 13:03 Mailman
drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 archives
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:58 cron
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:04 data
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 filters
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 icons
drwxrwsr-x   3 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:03 lists
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:11 locks
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:05 logs
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 mail
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 qfiles
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 scripts
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 spam
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1536 Apr 17 12:54 templates

/home is a symlink to /usr/home on /usr, which is mounted with the following 
options: 

/usr on /dev/md/dsk/d33 read/write/setuid/intr/largefiles/logging/onerror=panic/dev=1540021 on Sat Mar 16 04:13:16 2002

When sending mail to a list, all I get is:

Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex Mailman mail-wrapper: [ID 702911 mail.error] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex postfix/local[12816]: [ID 197553 mail.info] 27FA03846E: to=<testlist-request at f00.net>, relay=local, delay=0, status=deferred (Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?) )

What is missing? Does anyone of you have Mailman running on Solaris with
Postfix, like I'm trying to do? Does the Fallback to "nobody" has anything
to do with Postfix security? 

The precise script in question looks like this:

# ls -l /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman    36536 Apr 17 12:54 /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

The CGI interface works fine, BTW.

Thanks in advance for all hints,

-martin

-- 
I will talk and Redmond will listen.




From matt at interlynx.net  Wed Apr 17 21:05:51 2002
From: matt at interlynx.net (Matt Lavergne)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:05:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MI:3 - Installing Mailman on Solaris
References: <20020417204211.A31213@schmitt.li>
Message-ID: <008001c1e642$e48a8d80$3809b7d1@interlynx.net>

In your postfix configuration files there should be a line that specifies
what user and group postfix runs as. It looks as if you have it set to run
as nogroup and all you should have to do is change that to run as group
postfix

Matt Lavergne
Tech Support
Interlynx Internet
905-524-5969 x229
1-888-658-5969 x229
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Schmitt" <martin at schmitt.li>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <sunmanagers at sunmanagers.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:42 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MI:3 - Installing Mailman on Solaris


> (This goes to the Mailman-Users list as well as the Sun Managers list. My
> troubleshooting skills are at their very final end here.)
>
> Hi everyone, once again.
>
> I've returned to yet another attempt at installing Mailman 2.0.9 on my
shiny
> new Solaris 8 box, and all I'm getting is:
>
> Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex Mailman mail-wrapper: [ID 702911 mail.error]
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to
take 60001?)
> Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex postfix/local[12816]: [ID 197553 mail.info]
27FA03846E: to=<testlist-request at f00.net>, relay=local, delay=0,
status=deferred (Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999,
GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?) )
>
> I'm not an idiot, at least not completely, I hope. I know that this is
being
> dealt with in a FAQ somewhere, I've read and followed it a few weeks ago,
> but I can't work it out. What more am I supposed to do than rm -Rf'ing
> everything Mailman related and starting over from scratch making really
sure
> everything is configured right? You know, retrying over and over gets old
> after a few attempts. I've even backed away from my /opt layout and let
> mailman install to the default location /home/mailman, all to no avail.
>
> I configured Mailman like this:
>
>
./configure --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-cgi-gid=
httpd --with-mail-gid=postfix
>
> # grep postfix /etc/passwd /etc/group
> /etc/passwd:postfix:x:59999:59999::/bin/false:/bin/false
> /etc/group:postfix::59999:
>
> # grep mailman /etc/passwd /etc/group
> /etc/passwd:mailman:x:59994:59994::/home/mailman:/bin/sh
> /etc/group:mailman::59994:
>
> # grep httpd /etc/passwd /etc/group
> /etc/passwd:httpd:x:59996:59996::/home/httpd:/bin/false
> /etc/group:httpd::59996:
>
> # grep 60001 /etc/passwd /etc/group
> /etc/passwd:nobody:x:60001:60001:Nobody:/:
> /etc/group:nobody::60001:
>
> # python -V
> Python 2.2
>
> # ls -la /home/mailman
> total 40
> drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 .
> drwxr-xr-x   5 root     other        512 Mar 17 03:04 ..
> drwxrwsr-x   8 root     mailman     1536 Apr 17 13:03 Mailman
> drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 archives
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 bin
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 cgi-bin
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:58 cron
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:04 data
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 filters
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 icons
> drwxrwsr-x   3 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:03 lists
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:11 locks
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:05 logs
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 mail
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 qfiles
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 scripts
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 spam
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1536 Apr 17 12:54 templates
>
> /home is a symlink to /usr/home on /usr, which is mounted with the
following
> options:
>
> /usr on /dev/md/dsk/d33
read/write/setuid/intr/largefiles/logging/onerror=panic/dev=1540021 on Sat
Mar 16 04:13:16 2002
>
> When sending mail to a list, all I get is:
>
> Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex Mailman mail-wrapper: [ID 702911 mail.error]
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to
take 60001?)
> Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex postfix/local[12816]: [ID 197553 mail.info]
27FA03846E: to=<testlist-request at f00.net>, relay=local, delay=0,
status=deferred (Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999,
GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?) )
>
> What is missing? Does anyone of you have Mailman running on Solaris with
> Postfix, like I'm trying to do? Does the Fallback to "nobody" has anything
> to do with Postfix security?
>
> The precise script in question looks like this:
>
> # ls -l /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman    36536 Apr 17 12:54
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
>
> The CGI interface works fine, BTW.
>
> Thanks in advance for all hints,
>
> -martin
>
> --
> I will talk and Redmond will listen.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From techgrrl at beeze.com  Wed Apr 17 21:08:31 2002
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:08:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest problems - 2.1b1
Message-ID: <022201c1e643$439c5240$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

I'm having trouble with my digests in 2.1b1. I'm trying to get the "extraneous" headers removed from the digest. I've edited /Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py  to read as:

KEEP = ['Date', 'From', 'To', 'Cc', 'Subject', 'Message-ID', 'Keywords',
        # I believe we should also keep these headers though.
        # 'In-Reply-To', 'References', 'Content-Type', 'MIME-Version',
        # 'Content-Transfer-Encoding', 'Precedence',
        # Mailman 2.0 adds these headers, but they don't need to be kept from
        # the original message: Message
        ]

However, it leaves the additional headers in the digest unless I force a digest to be generated manually. The digest settings are also ignoring the size specified by my list admin. It's set to generate at 50kb, but insists on generated at 30.

Any idea what's up with this and how to make it work?

-- Sarah
Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose






From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Apr 17 19:47:39 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:47:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request: show regex on approval page
Message-ID: <3CBDB53B.890A6DDD@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hi !

new to mailman, and i already have a wish:
would it be complicated to tweak the admin requests page so that it
spits out the regex which caught the message ?
right now, all it says is "suspicious header", which does not really
help with filter debugging.

i haven't the faintest idea of python yet, otherwise i might have
sent a patch, but it does not sound like a big deal to me.

best regards,

j?rn


--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Apr 17 21:15:59 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:15:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] refused relay (host)
References: <13828F680182D511893300508BD683170128604A@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>
Message-ID: <3CBDC9EF.9B65D89A@folkwang-hochschule.de>

"Rantanen, TC1" wrote:
> 
> I have mailman up and running, I can post to the list, can look at the list
> archives from the web.
> 
> But when I someone tries to subscribe via the web, an entry in exim_mainlog
> shows
> 2002-04-17 13:36:59  refused relay (host) <username at blah.net> from
> <test-admin at blah.net> H=localhost.localdomain (blah.net) [127.0.0.1]
> 
> Does the cgi/mailman use a relay?

it looks like your mailer verifies the sender domain of each
incoming message and rejects the mail if it can't be found. this is
becoming more and more common, because spammers often use bogus
domains.

try an existing address.


--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Apr 17 21:57:16 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:57:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MI:3 - Installing Mailman on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <20020417204211.A31213@schmitt.li>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417155507.04428940@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

Basically, what's happening, is that postfix isn't configured how you think it's configured.

You told mailman to expect the wrapper to be invoked by the mail system with a gid of
"postfix", which, from your files below is 59999.  It's telling you it was *not* invoked that
way, it was run with a gid of 60001, which is nobody.

Your two, very simple, choices are:

Re run configure with --with-mail-gid=60001
Reconfigure postfix to run programs as postfix instead of nobody.


At 08:42 PM 4/17/02 +0200, Martin Schmitt wrote:
>Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex Mailman mail-wrapper: [ID 702911 mail.error] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
>Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex postfix/local[12816]: [ID 197553 mail.info] 27FA03846E: to=<testlist-request at f00.net>, relay=local, delay=0, status=deferred (Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?) )
>./configure --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-cgi-gid=httpd --with-mail-gid=postfix
>
># grep postfix /etc/passwd /etc/group
>/etc/passwd:postfix:x:59999:59999::/bin/false:/bin/false
>/etc/group:postfix::59999:
>
># grep mailman /etc/passwd /etc/group
>/etc/passwd:mailman:x:59994:59994::/home/mailman:/bin/sh
>/etc/group:mailman::59994:
>
># grep httpd /etc/passwd /etc/group
>/etc/passwd:httpd:x:59996:59996::/home/httpd:/bin/false
>/etc/group:httpd::59996:
>
># grep 60001 /etc/passwd /etc/group
>/etc/passwd:nobody:x:60001:60001:Nobody:/:
>/etc/group:nobody::60001:
>
># python -V
>Python 2.2
>
># ls -la /home/mailman
>total 40
>drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 .
>drwxr-xr-x   5 root     other        512 Mar 17 03:04 ..
>drwxrwsr-x   8 root     mailman     1536 Apr 17 13:03 Mailman
>drwxrwsr-x   4 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 archives
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 bin
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 cgi-bin
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:58 cron
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:04 data
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 filters
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 icons
>drwxrwsr-x   3 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:03 lists
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:11 locks
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 13:05 logs
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 mail
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 qfiles
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:54 scripts
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      512 Apr 17 12:53 spam
>drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman     1536 Apr 17 12:54 templates
>
>/home is a symlink to /usr/home on /usr, which is mounted with the following 
>options: 
>
>/usr on /dev/md/dsk/d33 read/write/setuid/intr/largefiles/logging/onerror=panic/dev=1540021 on Sat Mar 16 04:13:16 2002
>
>When sending mail to a list, all I get is:
>
>Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex Mailman mail-wrapper: [ID 702911 mail.error] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
>Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex postfix/local[12816]: [ID 197553 mail.info] 27FA03846E: to=<testlist-request at f00.net>, relay=local, delay=0, status=deferred (Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?) )
>
>What is missing? Does anyone of you have Mailman running on Solaris with
>Postfix, like I'm trying to do? Does the Fallback to "nobody" has anything
>to do with Postfix security? 
>
>The precise script in question looks like this:
>
># ls -l /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
>-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman    36536 Apr 17 12:54 /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
>
>The CGI interface works fine, BTW.
>
>Thanks in advance for all hints,
>
>-martin
>
>-- 
>I will talk and Redmond will listen.
>
>
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From anna at water.ca.gov  Wed Apr 17 22:17:20 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:17:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
In-Reply-To: <20020417193601.13284.13056.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020417131720.00a62df0@storm>

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From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Wed Apr 17 22:30:57 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:30:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
References: <3.0.1.32.20020417131720.00a62df0@storm>
Message-ID: <012601c1e64e$c7b46350$800ba8c0@ctews01>

Hi,

thanks for the response

Shouldn't that be srm.conf ???

Not that I am a expert at this, but that's what I read??

Regards

Erik

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Anna Fong
  To: E.J.L.Kemper at cybertech.nl ; mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:17 PM
  Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems


  Go to your installation for apache and update the httpd.conf file
(~/apache/conf/httpd.conf)

  You'll need to add two entries in that file -- an alias for the archives
and an alias to the mailman scripts.

  Locate the aliases section in the httpd.conf file. Add this for the
archives. Be sure to insert your information where applicable.

  ----snip----

  Alias /pipermail/ "/path to your installation of mailman/archives/public/"

  <Directory "/path to your installation of mailman/archives/public">
  Options Indexes MultiViews
  AllowOverride None
  Order allow,deny
  Allow from all
  </Directory>

  ----snip-----


  Add this for the scripts. Be sure to insert your information where
applicable.

  ----snip----
  ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/path to your installation of mailman/cgi-bin/"

  <Directory "/path to your installation of mailman/cgi-bin">
  AllowOverride None
  Options None
  Order allow,deny
  Allow from all
  </Directory>

  ----snip-----







    Message-ID:
    From: "E.J.L. Kemper"
    To:
    Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:47:36 +0200
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="iso-8859-1"
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
    Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
    Precedence: bulk
    List-Help:
    List-Post:
    List-Subscribe: ,

    List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users
    List-Unsubscribe: ,

    List-Archive:

    Hi,

    Hope someone can help me out.

    I installed Mailman OK in my RedHat Linux , but the only thing I can't
get
    right is getting it under my website.
    The installation run fine (I think...)

    Here's the clue, I am a (very fresh !) newbie with Apache, so I cannot
    figure out the parts about setting up Mailman under it.

    Can anyone just help me getting the last part done?


    Regards

    Erik



  --------------------------------------------------------

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  California Data Exchange Center



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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 17 22:40:33 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:40:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
References: <3.0.1.32.20020417131720.00a62df0@storm> <012601c1e64e$c7b46350$800ba8c0@ctews01>
Message-ID: <01ea01c1e650$1f9d9e00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

On RedHat linux (default install) the main Apache configuration file is:
  /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

To find all occurrences of httpd.conf on your machine, you can use:
  locate httpd.conf

Anna's content is perfect.
----- Original Message -----
From: "E.J.L. Kemper" <E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Cc: "Anna Fong" <anna at water.ca.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems


>
> Hi,
>
> thanks for the response
>
> Shouldn't that be srm.conf ???
>
> Not that I am a expert at this, but that's what I read??
>
> Regards
>
> Erik
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Anna Fong
>   To: E.J.L.Kemper at cybertech.nl ; mailman-users at python.org
>   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:17 PM
>   Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
>
>
>   Go to your installation for apache and update the httpd.conf file
> (~/apache/conf/httpd.conf)
>
>   You'll need to add two entries in that file -- an alias for the archives
> and an alias to the mailman scripts.
>
>   Locate the aliases section in the httpd.conf file. Add this for the
> archives. Be sure to insert your information where applicable.
>
>   ----snip----
>
>   Alias /pipermail/ "/path to your installation of
mailman/archives/public/"
>
>   <Directory "/path to your installation of mailman/archives/public">
>   Options Indexes MultiViews
>   AllowOverride None
>   Order allow,deny
>   Allow from all
>   </Directory>
>
>   ----snip-----
>
>
>   Add this for the scripts. Be sure to insert your information where
> applicable.
>
>   ----snip----
>   ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/path to your installation of mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
>   <Directory "/path to your installation of mailman/cgi-bin">
>   AllowOverride None
>   Options None
>   Order allow,deny
>   Allow from all
>   </Directory>
>
>   ----snip-----
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Message-ID:
>     From: "E.J.L. Kemper"
>     To:
>     Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:47:36 +0200
>     MIME-Version: 1.0
>     Content-Type: text/plain;
>     charset="iso-8859-1"
>     Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>     Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
>     Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>     Precedence: bulk
>     List-Help:
>     List-Post:
>     List-Subscribe: ,
>
>     List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users
>     List-Unsubscribe: ,
>
>     List-Archive:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Hope someone can help me out.
>
>     I installed Mailman OK in my RedHat Linux , but the only thing I can't
> get
>     right is getting it under my website.
>     The installation run fine (I think...)
>
>     Here's the clue, I am a (very fresh !) newbie with Apache, so I cannot
>     figure out the parts about setting up Mailman under it.
>
>     Can anyone just help me getting the last part done?
>
>
>     Regards
>
>     Erik
>
>
>
>   --------------------------------------------------------
>
>   Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster
>   California Data Exchange Center
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users
> mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>
>
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From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Wed Apr 17 22:48:43 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:48:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bouncybounce..
Message-ID: <013e01c1e651$439f7e30$800ba8c0@ctews01>

Ok, so it looks like I am getting nowhere...:-(

The newlist command with a test send me a mail (oh yes!) with the site
pointed out, but I get a HTTP 404 error there.

also when I send a mail with help in the subject to the test list the
mailserver bounced it with the following:


The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by
the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'test-request at mail.snip.nl'.
Subject 'help', Account: 'mail.snip.nl', Server: 'mail.snip.nl', Protocol:
SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.1.1 <test-request at mail.snip.nl>... User
unknown', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 550, Error Number:
0x800CCC79

Anyone?

I really want to use Mailman. I looks great on other sites!!!
I think is is a really good product, but I am a newbie at linux, so the
"great install"  aludes me at every move....


Erik






From gee at geedev.com  Wed Apr 17 22:46:04 2002
From: gee at geedev.com (Gee)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:46:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
In-Reply-To: <012601c1e64e$c7b46350$800ba8c0@ctews01>
References: <3.0.1.32.20020417131720.00a62df0@storm>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020417134250.02e96df0@geedev.com>

>thanks for the response
>Shouldn't that be srm.conf ???

Technically, it doesn't matter. You could do either file. On Red Hat, I 
believe standard practice is to make your edits in httpd.conf.






From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Apr 17 22:48:06 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:48:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
References: <3.0.1.32.20020417131720.00a62df0@storm> <5.1.0.14.0.20020417134250.02e96df0@geedev.com>
Message-ID: <3CBDDF86.6B83D451@pcraft.com>

Gee wrote:

> Technically, it doesn't matter. You could do either file. On Red Hat, I
> believe standard practice is to make your edits in httpd.conf.

    Not Red Hat, Apache.  That move was made several versions back.  Apache
still ships with srm.conf and access.conf, but both are empty and is suggested
to make those modifications in httpd.conf.

--
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  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
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From anna at water.ca.gov  Wed Apr 17 23:00:39 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:00:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
In-Reply-To: <012601c1e64e$c7b46350$800ba8c0@ctews01>
References: <3.0.1.32.20020417131720.00a62df0@storm>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020417140039.00a67340@storm>

Mailman docs says srm.conf but Apache recommends httpd.conf

The reason may be that Apache processes the httpd.conf first so you only
want to use the srm.conf to overwrite any defaults.  Read the comments in
your srm.conf file for more detail.




At 10:30 PM 04/17/2002 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>thanks for the response
>
>Shouldn't that be srm.conf ???
>
>Not that I am a expert at this, but that's what I read??
>
>Regards
>
>Erik
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Anna Fong
>  To: E.J.L.Kemper at cybertech.nl ; mailman-users at python.org
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:17 PM
>  Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
>
>
>  Go to your installation for apache and update the httpd.conf file
>(~/apache/conf/httpd.conf)
>
>  You'll need to add two entries in that file -- an alias for the archives
>and an alias to the mailman scripts.
>
>  Locate the aliases section in the httpd.conf file. Add this for the
>archives. Be sure to insert your information where applicable.
>
>  ----snip----
>
>  Alias /pipermail/ "/path to your installation of mailman/archives/public/"
>
>  <Directory "/path to your installation of mailman/archives/public">
>  Options Indexes MultiViews
>  AllowOverride None
>  Order allow,deny
>  Allow from all
>  </Directory>
>
>  ----snip-----
>
>
>  Add this for the scripts. Be sure to insert your information where
>applicable.
>
>  ----snip----
>  ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/path to your installation of mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
>  <Directory "/path to your installation of mailman/cgi-bin">
>  AllowOverride None
>  Options None
>  Order allow,deny
>  Allow from all
>  </Directory>
>
>  ----snip-----
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    Message-ID:
>    From: "E.J.L. Kemper"
>    To:
>    Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:47:36 +0200
>    MIME-Version: 1.0
>    Content-Type: text/plain;
>    charset="iso-8859-1"
>    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
>    Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>    Precedence: bulk
>    List-Help:
>    List-Post:
>    List-Subscribe: ,
>
>    List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users
>    List-Unsubscribe: ,
>
>    List-Archive:
>
>    Hi,
>
>    Hope someone can help me out.
>
>    I installed Mailman OK in my RedHat Linux , but the only thing I can't
>get
>    right is getting it under my website.
>    The installation run fine (I think...)
>
>    Here's the clue, I am a (very fresh !) newbie with Apache, so I cannot
>    figure out the parts about setting up Mailman under it.
>
>    Can anyone just help me getting the last part done?
>
>
>    Regards
>
>    Erik
>
>

--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	





From martin at schmitt.li  Wed Apr 17 22:51:28 2002
From: martin at schmitt.li (Martin Schmitt)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:51:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SUMMARY: MI:3 - Installing Mailman on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <20020417204211.A31213@schmitt.li>; from martin@schmitt.li on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 08:42:11PM +0200
References: <20020417204211.A31213@schmitt.li>
Message-ID: <20020417225128.A32040@schmitt.li>

* Martin Schmitt wrote/schrieb:

> Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex Mailman mail-wrapper: [ID 702911 mail.error] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?)
> Apr 17 13:09:36 vortex postfix/local[12816]: [ID 197553 mail.info] 27FA03846E: to=<testlist-request at f00.net>, relay=local, delay=0, status=deferred (Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 59999, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take 60001?) )

Thanks to Ron Jarrell from the Mailman-Users list who pointed out to me
that Postfix just isn't doing what I assumed it does. It's always executing 
piped aliases as nobody, no matter what Setgid bits are set, and no matter
what users I've set up for postfix' internal use.

Several people pointed out that setting Mailman's expected GID to 60001
could provide the quick way out, but I don't happen to like this solution
without thinking about it carefully. ;-)

I'm going to try to find out how to make Postfix execute specific commands
as specific users.

Thanks all,

-martin

-- 
665: Neigbour of the Beast




From gee at geedev.com  Wed Apr 17 23:18:51 2002
From: gee at geedev.com (Gee)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:18:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
In-Reply-To: <3CBDDF86.6B83D451@pcraft.com>
References: <3.0.1.32.20020417131720.00a62df0@storm>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020417134250.02e96df0@geedev.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020417140917.02e87878@geedev.com>

>     Not Red Hat, Apache.

Yes. Thanks for the catch. What's worse is that I was thinking GNU/Linux in 
general (as opposed to Windows -- I assume it's the same there, but have 
never played with it.)

Meanwhile, any bites on my ImportError issue stated earlier?

An alternate route to solution: has anyone had trouble with Mailman scripts 
and modules being unable to find Python when using the #! /usr/bin/env 
python shebang in Red Hat 7. And if so, what did you do to get around it?

Thanks again in advance.






From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Wed Apr 17 23:44:40 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:44:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
Message-ID: <01a101c1e659$13cd8b40$800ba8c0@ctews01>

Hi,

am I missing something?

in $prefix, wrapper is not made by MAKE INSTALL ??

I am trying to install Mailman 2.09.....

Greetings

Erik







From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Apr 17 23:40:50 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:40:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache problems
In-Reply-To: <01ea01c1e650$1f9d9e00$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <3.0.1.32.20020417131720.00a62df0@storm>
 <012601c1e64e$c7b46350$800ba8c0@ctews01>
 <01ea01c1e650$1f9d9e00$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <p05101502b8e39b8af094@[207.149.192.229]>

"E.J.L. Kemper" <E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL> wrote:
>> Shouldn't that be srm.conf ???

At one time, it would probably have been srm.conf.  A now very common way
to write one's Apache configuration is to combine the classic three files
into the httpd.conf file, and leave the other two as near-empty stubs (just
comments).  This folding together goes back to the late 1990s (and made my
life lots simpler).

If srm.conf doesn't seem to have anything relevant in it, try httpd.conf.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA




From spertus at mills.edu  Thu Apr 18 02:23:42 2002
From: spertus at mills.edu (Ellen Spertus)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:23:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I/O error in Runner.py when archiving under 2.1a3
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020417172336.046513b0@ella.mills.edu>

A mailing list of mine works except for archiving.

Whenever a message is processed, the following error shows up in Mailman's 
error log:

Apr 17 09:29:47 2002 (1253) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 5] 
Input/output error
Apr 17 09:29:47 2002 (1253) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 104, in __oneloop
     self.__onefile(msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 152, in __onefile
     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 70, in _dispose
     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 187, in 
ArchiveMail
     traceback.print_exc()
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/traceback.py", line 210, in print_exc
     print_exception(etype, value, tb, limit, file)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/traceback.py", line 122, in print_exception
     _print(file, 'Traceback (most recent call last):')
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/traceback.py", line 13, in _print
     file.write(str+terminator)
IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error

I am using 2.1a3 on Redhat.

As far as I can tell, the permissions under 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private are correct.  Root and mailman have r/w 
access to everything.

When I manually run "./arch sys 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/sys.mbox/sys.mbox" as either root or 
mailman, the archives are correctly generated.

Any suggestions?

Thank you.

Ellen








From gee at geedev.com  Thu Apr 18 03:50:55 2002
From: gee at geedev.com (Gee)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:50:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError with regex and binascii? List has stopped sending
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020417184059.02ee0008@geedev.com>

A follow-up to my earlier problem. My mail was not going through and I was 
getting lot's of the following excerpt in my /home/mailman/logs/error file:

>Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):   File "/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py", 
>line 20, in ?
>Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706):      import regex
>Apr 16 16:34:02 2002 qrunner(5706): ImportError :  No module named regex

My configuration, for the record is Red Hat 7, Mailman 2.0.9,  Python 2.1.

I added a symbolic link to to re.py in /usr/lib/python2.1 (thanks to 
whoever suggested this):

cd /usr/lib/python2.1
ln -s re.py regex.py

...and suddenly backlogged mail came gushing out! (Including sundry test 
messages -- be warned!)

As I understand it, re.py has some syntax differences from regex.py, so I'm 
not sure yet if this is a viable fix. I'll let you know if something 
unexpected occurs.





From techgrrl at beeze.com  Thu Apr 18 04:03:00 2002
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:03:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest problems - 2.1b1
References: <022201c1e643$439c5240$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <003001c1e67d$2ae1dbf0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

By bad. Forgot to run mailmanctl -restart . Works like a charm now ....

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah K. Miller" <techgrrl at beeze.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest problems - 2.1b1


> I'm having trouble with my digests in 2.1b1. I'm trying to get the "extraneous" headers removed from the digest. I've edited /Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py  to read as:







From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr 18 05:26:27 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:26:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] refused relay (host) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Rantanen, TC1" <ERantanen@osc.uscg.mil> 
   of "Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:40:17 EDT." <13828F680182D511893300508BD683170128604A@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil> 
References: <13828F680182D511893300508BD683170128604A@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil> 
Message-ID: <29548.1019100387@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:40:17 -0400 
TC Rantanen <Rantanen> wrote:

> I have mailman up and running, I can post to the list, can look at the
> list archives from the web.

> But when I someone tries to subscribe via the web, an entry in
> exim_mainlog shows 2002-04-17 13:36:59 refused relay (host)
> <username at blah.net> from <test-admin at blah.net> H=localhost.localdomain
> (blah.net) [127.0.0.1]

> Does the cgi/mailman use a relay?

By default Mailman delivers mail to the local MTA on localhost via SMTP,
yes.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From barry at zope.com  Thu Apr 18 06:32:37 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:32:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.10
Message-ID: <15550.19557.941487.978294@anthem.wooz.org>

Hot on the heels of the last release, I'm announcing Mailman 2.0.10
which fixes a few minor problems.  See the NEWS file entries below.
This is not a critical fix, although it will eliminate a confusing
(but harmless) error message, and could provide better support for
sites which use the qmail MTA.

As usual, I've made both full source tarballs and patches available.
See

    http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

for links to download all the patches and the source tarball.  If you
decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first:

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=63042

See also:

    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://www.list.org
    http://mailman.sf.net

Cheers,
-Barry

2.0.10 (09-Apr-2002)

    - Closed another small race condition.

    - Add the RFC-2822 recommended Message-ID: header on internally
      generated outgoing messages.  Not all MTAs add this field if
      missing (read: Qmail).




From reiner_buehl at hp.com  Thu Apr 18 13:43:13 2002
From: reiner_buehl at hp.com (BUEHL,REINER (HP-Germany,ex1))
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:43:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: computed value for NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much?
Message-ID: <FFE5E286773CD411873400D0B747AC580700006A@goedel.bbn.hp.com>

Hi all,

I am in the process of migrating my mailman installation from a 
HP-UX 10.20 system with python 1.6 to a HP-UX 11.0 system with 
python 2.1. I recompiled mailman from 2.0.10 sources on the new
system and did a check_perms. Everything seems to be ok, but if
I try to access http://localhost/mailman/admin I get the following
error: 

Apr 18 13:32:45 2002 admin(5623):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(5623): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -----]
admin(5623): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(5623): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(5623):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 90, in run_main
admin(5623):     pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
[scriptnam
e])
admin(5623):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 29, in ?
admin(5623):     from Mailman import Utils
admin(5623):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ?
admin(5623):     import random
admin(5623):   File "/opt/python/lib/python2.1/random.py", line 93, in ?
admin(5623):     _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', 1.71552776992141)
admin(5623):   File "/opt/python/lib/python2.1/random.py", line 88, in
_verify
admin(5623):     raise ValueError(
admin(5623): ValueError: computed value for NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much
(com
puted 0, expected 1.10415e+09)
admin(5623): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(5623): sys.version    = 2.1 (#21, Jul  3 2001, 10:47:20)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)]
admin(5623): sys.executable = /opt/python/bin/python
admin(5623): sys.prefix     = /opt/python
admin(5623): sys.exec_prefix= /opt/python
admin(5623): sys.path       = /opt/python
admin(5623): sys.platform   = hp-uxB

Can somebody help me in solving this?

Best regards,
Reiner.




From valites at geneseo.edu  Thu Apr 18 13:46:47 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:46:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.10
References: <15550.19557.941487.978294@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3CBEB227.2080009@geneseo.edu>

When did the race condition occour?

Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> Hot on the heels of the last release, I'm announcing Mailman 2.0.10
> which fixes a few minor problems.  See the NEWS file entries below.
> This is not a critical fix, although it will eliminate a confusing
> (but harmless) error message, and could provide better support for
> sites which use the qmail MTA.
> 
> As usual, I've made both full source tarballs and patches available.
> See
> 
>     http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
> 
> for links to download all the patches and the source tarball.  If you
> decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first:
> 
>     http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=63042
> 
> See also:
> 
>     http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
>     http://www.list.org
>     http://mailman.sf.net
> 
> Cheers,
> -Barry
> 
> 2.0.10 (09-Apr-2002)
> 
>     - Closed another small race condition.
> 
>     - Add the RFC-2822 recommended Message-ID: header on internally
>       generated outgoing messages.  Not all MTAs add this field if
>       missing (read: Qmail).
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 






From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Thu Apr 18 16:29:42 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:29:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo web page
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD683170128659F@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

I would like to change the format of the listinfo page when
/mailman/listinfo is run.

What file is used for the template of the listinfo?

Ed Rantanen




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Apr 18 16:40:24 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 18 Apr 2002 16:40:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get number of members
In-Reply-To: "Joseph"'s message of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:23:55 +1000"
References: <005901c1e4ed$c2968130$3401c8be@JOSEPH>
Message-ID: <m3vgapqdd3.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Joseph" <joseph at femalenetwork.com> writes:

> Is there a command where i would know how many are subscribed on the list?

list_members listname | wc -l


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Apr 18 16:44:04 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 18 Apr 2002 16:44:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get number of members
In-Reply-To: "Joseph"'s message of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:23:55 +1000"
References: <005901c1e4ed$c2968130$3401c8be@JOSEPH>
Message-ID: <m3r8ldqd6z.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Joseph" <joseph at femalenetwork.com> writes:

> Is there a command where i would know how many are subscribed on the list?

http://host.domain.tld/mailman/roaster/listname


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From Tslater at MATC.TEC.OH.US  Thu Apr 18 16:58:44 2002
From: Tslater at MATC.TEC.OH.US (Todd Slater)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:58:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yet another virtual domain question
Message-ID: <scbea6f0.015@matc.tec.oh.us>

I've been scouring the archives regarding Mailman and virtual domains, but can't get it to work. My setup: Mailman 2.0.7, postfix, Linux-Mandrake 8.1.

What I did (following Jon Carnes instructions):

Created new list
Added aliases to /etc/postfix/aliases, ran newaliases
Edited /etc/postfix/virtual to reflect:
myvirtual.com virtual
test at myvirtual.com test
test-request at myvirtual.com test-request (and so on for the other aliases)

Ran postmap /etc/postfix/virtual
Stopped and started postfix.

Went to Web admin, changed Host name this list prefers and Alias names (regexps).

When I attempt to subscribe via the web I get the subscription message which comes from test-request at myvirtual.com, but when I reply to confirm, I get a postfix user not found error, and it says test-request at myrealdomain.com is the address that can't be found.

What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
Todd





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Apr 18 16:54:06 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 18 Apr 2002 16:54:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] importing a list of addresses
In-Reply-To: Dene Ulmschneider's message of "Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:27:30 -0400"
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111>
Message-ID: <m3n0w1qcq9.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Dene Ulmschneider <dene at ulmschneiders.com> writes:

> is there a way to import multiple users at once (as an admin) into a
> list and make set them as subscribers?
> 
> I have an export from a database that I use and I would like to add
> users all at once without emailing them
> 
> and asking them to subscribe to a list again.

As mailmanadmin:

add_members --help

Example: add_members -n file -w n listname

With file is your file with all the emailadresses. Each address in
separate line.

As listadmin:

In the membership management page with and copy & paste in Mass
Subscribe Members field.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Apr 18 19:00:45 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:00:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexes in bounce_matching_headers
Message-ID: <3CBEFBBD.BEE0747D@folkwang-hochschule.de>

[i posted this a while ago, but obviously my subscription had not
yet been processed when it reached the list.
sorry for any dupes that might occur. i'm in a bit of a hurry, so
i'm resending.]


hello mailman users !


a number of questions about regexes in mailman:


in bounce_matching_headers, the "Header:" field is parsed separately
and is not part of the regex, right ?
(i.e. a line
.*SPAM
would _not_ have the effect of catching all mails that contain
"SPAM" in any of their headers ?)
this is not quite clear to me.


in the "details" page, it says that matches are case-insensitive.
however, my shouting filter
Subject: .*[A-Z ]{10,}
seems to work. or am i seeing things ?


after a longish web-search, i dug up
http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html, which i found
quite essential to proper filtering.
i'd vote to have a pointer to that page included in the "details"
page for all options that take regexes. 
can you mention the python function that's used to parse regexes on
the "details" page as well, together with all the flags ? of course
i could RTFS, but it would make things easier for the average
mailman admin.


it would also be nice if that page mentioned to check logs/config
for trivial syntax errors after changing rules.
i found out the hard way :)


is there a table somewhere that lists which regex features are
available with a given python version? i found it quite tedious to
weed through the archives to find out, and the answers were not
always consistent. however, i have asked my admin to upgrade python,
so that problem may be gone already.


i would like to weed out forwarded chain letters and jokecasts
("[Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd:....", i.e. three or more forwards.
this does not work:
Subject: .*(fw.*){3,}
it catches even single forwards, obviously the .* is "greedy".
neither does this:
Subject: .*(fw.{1,5}){3,}
can you let me in on the correct way to do it ?


how do i catch more subtle administrivia, like subjects containing
both the words "list" and "help" in any order in any place ?


do the "forbidden_posters" and "posters" fields accept regexes ?
i have found contradictory answers in the archive.


does anyone have a tried and tested "thou shalt not reply to
digests" filter that i could rip off ?


plus i would really appreciate if some people with more elaborate
spam filters could posts theirs here with a very short description
on what they do. perhaps if we compile a bunch of useful examples, i
could write them up nicely and forward them to the mailman folks to
be included as documentation in the next release.


DISCLAIMER: i don't know python, and i have started to learn regexes
about 2 weeks ago. i'm just a stupid list admin. the problem is,
with spam and bullshit levels ever-increasing, most of us part-time
admins are forced to deal with filtering and other arcane stuff
without really being prepared, which is why i'm nagging for
examples...


best regards, and many thanks in advance,

j?rn


--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From danny at terweij.nl  Thu Apr 18 19:09:40 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:09:40 +0200
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.10
Message-ID: <013601c1e6fb$d40ebd00$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

>----- Original Message ----- 
 >From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at zope.com>
 
 > Hot on the heels of the last release, I'm announcing Mailman 2.0.10
 
 Someone knows when the Redhat RPM will be available ?
  
 I have installed the RH 2.0.8 RPM. /var/mailman is the home...
 
Danny.






From ksargen at trianinvestments.com  Thu Apr 18 20:06:31 2002
From: ksargen at trianinvestments.com (Kimberly Sargen)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:06:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yet another virtual domain question
In-Reply-To: <20020418160004.31818.86182.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B8E45937.52A%ksargen@trianinvestments.com>

on 04/18/2002 9:00 AM, mailman-users-request at python.org at
mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:

> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yet another virtual domain question
> 
> I've been scouring the archives regarding Mailman and virtual domains, but
> can't get it to work. My setup: Mailman 2.0.7, postfix, Linux-Mandrake 8.1.
> 
> What I did (following Jon Carnes instructions):
> 
> Created new list
> Added aliases to /etc/postfix/aliases, ran newaliases
> Edited /etc/postfix/virtual to reflect:
> myvirtual.com virtual
> test at myvirtual.com test
> test-request at myvirtual.com test-request (and so on for the other aliases)
> 
> Ran postmap /etc/postfix/virtual
> Stopped and started postfix.
> 
> Went to Web admin, changed Host name this list prefers and Alias names
> (regexps).
> 
> When I attempt to subscribe via the web I get the subscription message which
> comes from test-request at myvirtual.com, but when I reply to confirm, I get a
> postfix user not found error, and it says test-request at myrealdomain.com is the
> address that can't be found.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> TIA,
> Todd


Hmmmm... That's odd.

I can tell you what we wound up doing on our new server.  We tried for a
week to get it to work in a virtual domain - it just wouldn't work with our
server set up, so we wound up putting it on the root of the machine.  Now,
it's not truly set up as a virtual site, as it would have been under the
software on the machine, so you don't get the nice GUI and that for the back
end, but Mailman WORKS.  It sounds like you got much farther than we did.
Good luck sorting it out.  We couldn't find any info on our particular set
up running mailman, so we had to improvise and compromise.

8)
Kim





From tims at maine.greens.org  Thu Apr 18 20:34:43 2002
From: tims at maine.greens.org (Tim Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:34:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <007401c1e707$b5fc9060$4498c3d8@hppav>

Hi -- thanks for offering such wonderfully useful software!   I now belong to at least four lists using Mailman, and now setting a couple up for the Maine Greens.

I'm new to using Mailman, and wondering how I can set up a read-only or announce-only list.  I've heard it's all in the privacy settings, but don't see how to go about it.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim Sullivan

Communications Coordinator
Maine Green Independent Party
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From matt at interlynx.net  Thu Apr 18 20:28:23 2002
From: matt at interlynx.net (Matt Lavergne)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:28:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
References: <007401c1e707$b5fc9060$4498c3d8@hppav>
Message-ID: <006f01c1e706$d3357300$3809b7d1@interlynx.net>

Tim, 

what i did to get that effect is set the lists to moderated, whereby i have to say yes to anything that comes into the list. and didnt give out the address to post to the list to anyone.


Matt Lavergne
Tech Support
Interlynx Internet
905-524-5969 x229
1-888-658-5969 x229
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tim Sullivan 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:34 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question


  Hi -- thanks for offering such wonderfully useful software!   I now belong to at least four lists using Mailman, and now setting a couple up for the Maine Greens.

  I'm new to using Mailman, and wondering how I can set up a read-only or announce-only list.  I've heard it's all in the privacy settings, but don't see how to go about it.

  Your help will be greatly appreciated.
  Thanks,
  Tim Sullivan

  Communications Coordinator
  Maine Green Independent Party
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From wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk  Thu Apr 18 20:49:23 2002
From: wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:49:23 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent! Guys, I need help!
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111> <m3n0w1qcq9.fsf@mailman.charite.de>
Message-ID: <3CBF1533.2030707@cityu.edu.hk>

Hi all,

I need to setup a mailing list for a discussion group by this Firday, 
but now I'm facing a big problem (Maybe just a minor one for you guys), 
but it definately get me confused! I wish someone can kindly give me 
advice to fix this problem. I really need a hand!!

I'm running Mailman 2.0.9 on Mandrake 8.1, using Postfix-20010228-pl03 
as the MTA. I can send and receive email with the accounts on this 
machine porperly, so I assumed that both the Mandrake Linux and Postfix 
on my machine were well configured.

When I create a list called "test3" with the "newlist" command in the 
terminal, the message shown seems no problem at all.

## test3 mailing list
## created 19-April-2002 apollo
test3:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test3"
test3-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test3"
test3-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test3"
test3-owner:         test3-admin

I do receive an email to notify me a new list "test3" has been created. 
When I add some email address to this list with the web interface, it 
works great! Then all those email accounts receive a welcome email with 
this message "...To post to this list, send your email to: 
test3 at warman.no-ip.com".
Here the problem comes! When I try to post message with this given email 
address "test3 at warman.no-ip.com", I will soonly get an undelivered mail 
by the Mailer-Deamon on my Linux machine, the message looks like this:

This is the Postfix program at host warman.no-ip.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

			The Postfix program

<test3 at warman.no-ip.com>: unknown user: "test3"


------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reporting-MTA: dns; warman.no-ip.com
Arrival-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:49:32 +0800 (HKT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; test3 at warman.no-ip.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "test3"


------------------------------------------------------------------------


Surely I don't have a user called "test3" on my machine, isn't that the 
Mailman should take the job to handling this?! What's wrong? Should I 
add any aliases  somewhere in the Mailman, and turn it back to work??

Best Regards,
Lewis Lau
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From mattb at zope.com  Thu Apr 18 21:14:56 2002
From: mattb at zope.com (Matt Burleigh)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:14:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent! Guys, I need help!
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111> <m3n0w1qcq9.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <3CBF1533.2030707@cityu.edu.hk>
Message-ID: <3CBF1B30.6030604@zope.com>

Lewis Lau wrote:

> ## test3 mailing list
> ## created 19-April-2002 apollo
> test3:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test3"
> test3-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test3"
> test3-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test3"
> test3-owner:         test3-admin


Is this is in the aliases file? I think newaliases need to be run after 
appending this to your aliases file... Restarting postfix won't hurt 
after editing the aliases file either...

-- 
Matt Burleigh
Systems Administrator, Zope Corporation
http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org







From wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk  Thu Apr 18 21:25:25 2002
From: wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:25:25 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent! Guys, I need help!
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111> <m3n0w1qcq9.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <3CBF1533.2030707@cityu.edu.hk> <3CBF1B30.6030604@zope.com>
Message-ID: <3CBF1DA5.2070601@cityu.edu.hk>

Dear guys,

I got it!! It works!! I love you all!! Haha...
So happy now! Thanks for all of your kindly help!

Warmest Regards,
Lewis

Lewis Lau wrote:

> ## test3 mailing list
> ## created 19-April-2002 apollo
> test3:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test3"
> test3-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test3"
> test3-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test3"
> test3-owner:         test3-admin



Is this is in the aliases file? I think newaliases need to be run after 
appending this to your aliases file... Restarting postfix won't hurt 
after editing the aliases file either...

-- 
Matt Burleigh





From rob at stupidguytalk.org  Thu Apr 18 21:25:29 2002
From: rob at stupidguytalk.org (Rob)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:25:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent! Guys, I need help!
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111> <m3n0w1qcq9.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <3CBF1533.2030707@cityu.edu.hk>
Message-ID: <03f901c1e70e$cd5ac180$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>

Yes ofcourse you have to have this in your aliases file or whatever postfix uses for mapping..

## test3 mailing list
## created 19-April-2002 apollo
test3:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test3"
test3-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test3"
test3-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test3"
test3-owner:         test3-admin

then if it is aliases file then run newaliases or whatever the equivalent is on your system...

this will then fool the system into thinking it has a test3 user and send out the mail...

:)

Rob Morin(Mr.Legacy)
System Administrator
inter.net/TotalNet
Montreal, Canada
1.514.487.4707
rob at team.inter.net


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lewis Lau 
  To: Detlef Neubauer 
  Cc: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 2:49 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent! Guys, I need help!


  Hi all,

  I need to setup a mailing list for a discussion group by this Firday, but now I'm facing a big problem (Maybe just a minor one for you guys), but it definately get me confused! I wish someone can kindly give me advice to fix this problem. I really need a hand!!

  I'm running Mailman 2.0.9 on Mandrake 8.1, using Postfix-20010228-pl03 as the MTA. I can send and receive email with the accounts on this machine porperly, so I assumed that both the Mandrake Linux and Postfix on my machine were well configured.

  When I create a list called "test3" with the "newlist" command in the terminal, the message shown seems no problem at all.

  ## test3 mailing list
  ## created 19-April-2002 apollo
  test3:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test3"
  test3-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test3"
  test3-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test3"
  test3-owner:         test3-admin

  I do receive an email to notify me a new list "test3" has been created. When I add some email address to this list with the web interface, it works great! Then all those email accounts receive a welcome email with this message "...To post to this list, send your email to: test3 at warman.no-ip.com".
  Here the problem comes! When I try to post message with this given email address "test3 at warman.no-ip.com", I will soonly get an undelivered mail by the Mailer-Deamon on my Linux machine, the message looks like this:


This is the Postfix program at host warman.no-ip.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

			The Postfix program

<test3 at warman.no-ip.com>: unknown user: "test3"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------Reporting-MTA: dns; warman.no-ip.com
Arrival-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:49:32 +0800 (HKT)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; test3 at warman.no-ip.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "test3"


------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  Surely I don't have a user called "test3" on my machine, isn't that the Mailman should take the job to handling this?! What's wrong? Should I add any aliases  somewhere in the Mailman, and turn it back to work??

  Best Regards,
  Lewis Lau
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From sgibson at reachone.com  Tue Apr 16 00:32:57 2002
From: sgibson at reachone.com (Susie Gibson)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:32:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I delete archived files and emails
Message-ID: <000901c1e4cd$7ed98de0$97fde1cf@susiegibson>

Hi I am running two lists on my web server and do not want to permanently
archive messages- just hold them a week and delete them- there seems to be
no way I know of to do this.
Is there a way to delete archived emails and only keep a week at a time????
thanks in advance- smiles, susie g
Susie Gibson
sgibson at silverringartjewelry.com
http://www.silverringartjewelry.com
***********
Mom for;

The Crafty Christian Newslist
http://66.78.32.3/mailman/listinfo/thecraftychristian_silverringartjewelry.c
om
craftymom at silverringartjewelry.com
---------------
Susie G Jewelry Newslist
http://66.78.32.3/mailman/listinfo/susiegjewelry_silverringartjewelry.com
jewelrymom at silverringartjewelry.com
---------------------
no posting required
***********************
Have a Blessed  day!!!
***********************


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From tneff at grassyhill.org  Tue Apr 16 00:54:51 2002
From: tneff at grassyhill.org (Tom Neff)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:54:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
In-Reply-To: <20020415210955.GM25045@merlins.org>
References: <20020415210955.GM25045@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <2157156.1018896891@t283742ghzz>

I will definitely issue an editing patch for 2.1 when it goes gold.  Since 
this is one of their "we don't think you should WANT to do this" 
hot-buttons, like controlling the List-* headers, I don't want to issue 
patches for prerelease versions and encourage them to do any 
counter-engineering.

--On Monday, April 15, 2002 2:09 PM -0700 Marc MERLIN 
<marc_news at vasoftware.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 07:55:01AM -0400, Tom Neff wrote:
>> "Billie R. McNamara" <billie at tnhillbillie.net> wrote:
>> > We are using version 2.0.8 for a moderated list.  But, we aren't able
>> > to edit messages before approving them (for example, to delete just one
>> > inappropriate word).
>> >
>> > How can we do this?
>>
>> There is a FAQ entry that wants you to hand edit various spool files,
>> but  you can patch 2.0.8 to allow message editing.
>
> I think the patch will be necessary for mailman 2.1, it unfortunately
> stores the message on disk in a database format, making hand editing on
> the mm server not that easy.





From Beachfrontads at aol.com  Wed Apr 17 01:57:26 2002
From: Beachfrontads at aol.com (Beachfrontads at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:57:26 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] first names shown
Message-ID: <3f.a009fed.29ee1466@aol.com>

How do I need to do to keep my user's first names from being shown on their 
mailings?

Julie Wilson
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From Beachfrontads at aol.com  Wed Apr 17 01:58:52 2002
From: Beachfrontads at aol.com (Beachfrontads at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 19:58:52 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] correction!!
Message-ID: <f2.1a23cd76.29ee14bc@aol.com>

I'm very distracted at the moment...please excuse the wording of the last 
e-mail.  I'll re-ask my question:

What can I do to not allow the member's first names from being shown on their 
mailings?

Thanks!
Julie Wilson
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Apr 17 12:41:14 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:41:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexes in bounce_matching_headers
Message-ID: <3CBD514A.E6B9C4F5@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hello mailman users !


a number of questions about regexes in mailman:


in bounce_matching_headers, the "Header:" field is parsed separately
and is not part of the regex, right ?
(i.e. a line
.*SPAM
would _not_ have the effect of catching all mails that contain
"SPAM" in any of their headers ?)
this is not quite clear to me.


in the "details" page, it says that matches are case-insensitive.
however, my shouting filter
Subject: .*[A-Z ]{10,}
seems to work. how come ?


i'm desperately looking for a python-specific regex documentation.
i'm using a php manual (whose regexes are said to be
perl-compatible), but i seem to run into subtle problems. any
pointers ? if there is a concise source of info on this, i'd vote to
have a pointer included in the "details" page for all options that
take regexes. it would also be nice if that page mentioned to check
logs/config for trivial syntax errors after changing rules. i found
out the hard way :)
also, it would be nice to include a table somewhere which regex
features are available with a given python version. i found it quite
tedious to weed through the archives to find out, and the answers
were not always consistent.


i would like to weed out forwarded chain letters and jokecasts
("[Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd:....", i.e. three or more forwards.
this does not work:
Subject: .*(fw.*){3,}
it catches even single forwards, obviously the .* is "greedy".
neither does this:
Subject: .*(fw.{1,5}){3,}
can you let me in on the correct way to do it ?


how do i catch more subtle administrivia, like subjects containing
both the words "list" and "help" in any order in any place ?


do the "forbidden_posters" and "posters" fields accept regexes ?
i have found contradictory answers in the archive.


does anyone have a tried and tested "thou shalt not reply to
digests" filter that i could rip off ?


plus i would really appreciate if some people with more elaborate
spam filters could posts theirs here with a very short description
on what they do. perhaps if we compile a bunch of useful examples, i
could write them up nicely and forward them to the mailman folks to
be included as documentation in the next release.


DISCLAIMER: i don't know python, and i have started to learn regexes
about 2 weeks ago. i'm just a stupid list admin. the problem is,
with spam and bullshit levels ever-increasing, most of us part-time
admins are forced to deal with filtering and other arcane stuff
without really being prepared, which is why i'm nagging for
examples...


best regards, and many thanks in advance,

j?rn


would you mind cc:ing me personally ? i follow mailman-users through
the archive at the moment, and there's quite a lag probably.


--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From dgulbran at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 16:36:08 2002
From: dgulbran at yahoo.com (David Gulbransen)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Questions...
Message-ID: <20020417143608.35928.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com>

Do you have a list for announcements concerning 2.1? I *desparately*
want to install it at my organization, but my admin won't until it is
more stable... thanks!

-David

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From o-zone at zerozone.it  Wed Apr 17 18:35:22 2002
From: o-zone at zerozone.it (O-Zone)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:35:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP Problem
Message-ID: <20020417163523.166E24E984@shining.o-zone.ath.cx>

Hi all,
i've a problem with Mailman 2.0.9 and previous releases. When i post to a 
list X and i Approve the message, message will not be sent with a lot of 
errors message in /logs/smtp_failure e /logs/smtp. 

Il /logs/stmp i see:

Apr 17 17:03:56 2002 (13952) All recipients refused: Server not connected
Apr 17 17:03:56 2002 (13952) smtp for 312 recips, completed in 5152.687 
seconds

Any Ideas ?

-- 

O-Zone 2001 !
WEB @ www.zerozone.it




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Apr 17 19:04:21 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:04:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexes in bounce_matching_headers
Message-ID: <3CBDAB15.6306EFE6@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hello !

i sent the messsage below earlier today, not realizing that
mailman-users is a closed list.
now i have subscribed, and i'm resending the message below.
sorry if any duplicates get through.

Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> 
> hello mailman users !
> 
> a number of questions about regexes in mailman:
> 
> in bounce_matching_headers, the "Header:" field is parsed separately
> and is not part of the regex, right ?
> (i.e. a line
> .*SPAM
> would _not_ have the effect of catching all mails that contain
> "SPAM" in any of their headers ?)
> this is not quite clear to me.
> 
> in the "details" page, it says that matches are case-insensitive.
> however, my shouting filter
> Subject: .*[A-Z ]{10,}
> seems to work. how come ?
> 
> i'm desperately looking for a python-specific regex documentation.
> i'm using a php manual (whose regexes are said to be
> perl-compatible), but i seem to run into subtle problems. any
> pointers ? if there is a concise source of info on this, i'd vote to
> have a pointer included in the "details" page for all options that
> take regexes. it would also be nice if that page mentioned to check
> logs/config for trivial syntax errors after changing rules. i found
> out the hard way :)
> also, it would be nice to include a table somewhere which regex
> features are available with a given python version. i found it quite
> tedious to weed through the archives to find out, and the answers
> were not always consistent.
> 
> i would like to weed out forwarded chain letters and jokecasts
> ("[Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd:....", i.e. three or more forwards.
> this does not work:
> Subject: .*(fw.*){3,}
> it catches even single forwards, obviously the .* is "greedy".
> neither does this:
> Subject: .*(fw.{1,5}){3,}
> can you let me in on the correct way to do it ?
> 
> how do i catch more subtle administrivia, like subjects containing
> both the words "list" and "help" in any order in any place ?
> 
> do the "forbidden_posters" and "posters" fields accept regexes ?
> i have found contradictory answers in the archive.
> 
> does anyone have a tried and tested "thou shalt not reply to
> digests" filter that i could rip off ?
> 
> plus i would really appreciate if some people with more elaborate
> spam filters could posts theirs here with a very short description
> on what they do. perhaps if we compile a bunch of useful examples, i
> could write them up nicely and forward them to the mailman folks to
> be included as documentation in the next release.
> 
> DISCLAIMER: i don't know python, and i have started to learn regexes
> about 2 weeks ago. i'm just a stupid list admin. the problem is,
> with spam and bullshit levels ever-increasing, most of us part-time
> admins are forced to deal with filtering and other arcane stuff
> without really being prepared, which is why i'm nagging for
> examples...
> 
> best regards, and many thanks in advance,
> 
> j?rn
> 
> would you mind cc:ing me personally ? i follow mailman-users through
> the archive at the moment, and there's quite a lag probably.
> 
> --
> Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
> the yellow snow !
>         - Frank Zappa

--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From dalydose at dalydose.com  Wed Apr 17 23:43:29 2002
From: dalydose at dalydose.com (Jeff Daly)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a forum
Message-ID: <NEBBJAIKMKMAOJOLFIDKAEPODKAA.dalydose@dalydose.com>

I know that this is a free program and that you probably don't have time to
support it so I was wondering if there is a forum that could answer my
questions?

My question
Is there a way to subscribe/unsubscribe via email & from a web page?

Thank you,

Jeff Daly
e jeff at dalydose.com





From naughty_nut at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 18 08:35:27 2002
From: naughty_nut at hotmail.com (sheila adada)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 06:35:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman alias
Message-ID: <F114gPasSmz6UuEhjJ80000cb4f@hotmail.com>

Hi

My Debain potato GNU/Linux server is running default setup of GNU Mailman 
2.0.5 and having a couple of mailing lists on that. Now, we want to have 
multiple aliases for the default posting addresses for those lists.

Should I do that by adding an alias in sendmail, or are there better ways of 
doing that?  Secondly, are there any security considerations in doing this ? 
  Any exploits, or likewise.

Thanks and Regards,
Sheila

PS:  I am not subscribed to the mailing list, so I would request you to do 
me a explicit CC too.

_________________________________________________________________
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http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx





From geinitz at novalis-media.de  Thu Apr 18 14:18:31 2002
From: geinitz at novalis-media.de (Juergen Geinitz)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:18:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with LARGE mailing list
Message-ID: <3CBEB997.191E3B1C@novalis-media.de>

Hello,
I have a mailing list here running for one of our customers
which is getting extremely large and therefore slow.
The list is a newsletter list with one post a week - that doesn't
harm me. But I hav about 500 new subscribes a day which makes up to now
about 150000 members - and thats my problem:
the config.db is
-rw-rw----    1 www-data www-data 15587680 Apr 18 14:13 config.db

and therefore is blowing my main memory. Lokk at this output of "top"
31084 www-data  18   0  81M           R    48.7 10.8   0:07
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31262 www-data  20   0  42M           R    48.1  5.5   0:03
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31260 geinitz   13   0 2456           R     0.9  0.3   0:00 top
30983 www-data   9   0  73M do_select S     0.3  9.7   0:11
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31102 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.3  5.6   0:04
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31120 www-data  10   0  73M do_select S     0.3  9.7   0:11
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31219 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.3  5.6   0:04
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31240 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.3  5.6   0:04
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
   11 root       9   0    0 mosix_mem SW    0.1  0.0  10:07 memsorter
30682 www-data   9   0  984 do_select S     0.1  0.1   0:05
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31220 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.1  5.6   0:03
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31222 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.1  5.6   0:03
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
31242 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.1  5.6   0:03
/usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe

so every subscribe is between 40 an 80 M in core. At the moment the
system is running an own apache
for this with a connect limit of 15 which gives 768M main memory used
plus 200M swap. When I remove
the apache limit, the system goes into swapping - more subscribe
requests arrive - less memory
an about 5 minutes later - BANG

Any Idea?
Any hint?

Regards
	Juergen
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From kra at istar.ca  Thu Apr 18 15:30:21 2002
From: kra at istar.ca (Keith Randall)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:30:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug
Message-ID: <3CBECA6D.8B895CF3@istar.ca>

I tried to subscribe to pwac-1, and got this message:

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate
a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman
administrator at this site.

Keith Randall





From gwolf at campus.iztacala.unam.mx  Thu Apr 18 18:58:25 2002
From: gwolf at campus.iztacala.unam.mx (Gunnar Wolf)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:58:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking attachments to all but one person?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0204181047270.19478-100000@campus.iztacala.unam.mx>

Hi,

I have attachments put on hold as a general policy for all of my lists. I
do this by having this line in privacy/bounce_matching_headers:

Content-Type:.*multipart

I want, however, to allow any message posted by a particular person to be
automatically approved, even if they have attachments. I tried adding this
person's mail to privacy/posters, but -of course- it did not work (and I
would have avoided an embarassment if I read the manual first ;-) )

Is there a way to do what I need?

Thank you very much,

-- 
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PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23
Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973  F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF





From glassalien at socal.rr.com  Thu Apr 18 19:03:24 2002
From: glassalien at socal.rr.com (holly)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass adding
Message-ID: <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com>

Hi 

I recently just signed up with pair.com and they use mail man as their list server. Is there a way to mass add all the listmembers without adding them in the subscribe button one by one it's over 1000 addresses

Holly
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From danny at poema.yi.org  Thu Apr 18 19:04:15 2002
From: danny at poema.yi.org (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:04:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.10
References: <15550.19557.941487.978294@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <010601c1e6fb$122e79a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at zope.com>

> Hot on the heels of the last release, I'm announcing Mailman 2.0.10

Someone knows when the Redhat RPM will be available ?

I have installed the RH 2.0.8 RPM. /var/mailman is the home...


Danny.






From danny at lnx.poema.yi.org  Thu Apr 18 19:06:23 2002
From: danny at lnx.poema.yi.org (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:06:23 +0200
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.10
Message-ID: <011b01c1e6fb$5f5880e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at zope.com>
> 
> > Hot on the heels of the last release, I'm announcing Mailman 2.0.10
> 
 Someone knows when the Redhat RPM will be available ?
 
 I have installed the RH 2.0.8 RPM. /var/mailman is the home...


Danny.






From bsimmons at silverden.com  Thu Apr 18 21:18:02 2002
From: bsimmons at silverden.com (Brian Simmons)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:18:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] amount of emails
Message-ID: <03db01c1e70d$c2f03dc0$f8754e3f@WOPR.NET>

is there a limit to how many e-mails Mailman can handle?
10,000 100,000 1,000,000 ?


Brian
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From tims at maine.greens.org  Thu Apr 18 23:18:52 2002
From: tims at maine.greens.org (Tim Sullivan)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:18:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <000b01c1e71e$a42974e0$7c93c3d8@hppav>

Hi -- thanks for offering such wonderfully useful software!   I now 
belong to at least four lists using Mailman, and now setting a couple up 
for the Maine Greens.

I'm new to using Mailman, and wondering how I can set up a read-only or 
announce-only list.  I've heard it's all in the privacy settings, but 
don't see how to go about it.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tim Sullivan

Communications Coordinator
Maine Green Independent Party






From gleblanc at linuxweasel.com  Thu Apr 18 23:21:40 2002
From: gleblanc at linuxweasel.com (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: 18 Apr 2002 14:21:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
In-Reply-To: <2157156.1018896891@t283742ghzz>
References: <20020415210955.GM25045@merlins.org>
	  <2157156.1018896891@t283742ghzz>
Message-ID: <1019164901.3612.6.camel@peecee>

On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 15:54, Tom Neff wrote:
    I will definitely issue an editing patch for 2.1 when it goes gold.  Since 
    this is one of their "we don't think you should WANT to do this" 
    hot-buttons, like controlling the List-* headers, I don't want to issue 

Well, if mailman did List-* headers properly, then people wouldn't want
to edit them, no?  Right now, there aren't even any controls for this on
umbrella lists, which is about the only place that you'd need to edit
them.
	Greg

-- 
Portland, Oregon, USA.





From matt at remedyx.com  Thu Apr 18 23:23:27 2002
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:23:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a forum
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJAIKMKMAOJOLFIDKAEPODKAA.dalydose@dalydose.com>
References: <NEBBJAIKMKMAOJOLFIDKAEPODKAA.dalydose@dalydose.com>
Message-ID: <10310609185.20020418142327@remedyx.com>

Hello Jeff,

Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 2:43:29 PM, Jeff Daly wrote:

> Is there a way to subscribe/unsubscribe via email & from a web page?

If you're referring to the Mailman software, the answer is yes.  The subscribing
and unsubscribing via a web page is basically the default and preferred method
of Mailman.  However, you can do the same via e-mail.  Here's a cut 'n paste
from the auto-reply of this list as an example...

<paste>
If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to
or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your
subscription page at:

  http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/matt%40remedyx.com


You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

  Mailman-Users-request at python.org

with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the
quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions.
</paste>

-- 
Regards,
 Matt                            mailto:matt at remedyx.com





From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Thu Apr 18 23:36:41 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:36:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass adding
In-Reply-To: <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020418163506.02c230e0@paulsfunhouse.com>

Holly

Just copy and paste large sections of subscribers into the subscribe box at 
the bottom of the members page...I don't know if there is a limit to each 
mass ad....but I recently imported a list with over 20,000 subscribers and 
I added them in rather large sections....so a list of over 1000 addresses 
should be able to be added in one group.

Paul

At 12:03 PM 18/04/02, holly wrote:
>Hi
>
>I recently just signed up with pair.com and they use mail man as their 
>list server. Is there a way to mass add all the listmembers without adding 
>them in the subscribe button one by one it's over 1000 addresses
>
>Holly





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Apr 18 23:46:48 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:46:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.10
References: <013601c1e6fb$d40ebd00$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <036f01c1e722$8b1b48d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

<Alec Guinness in a soft whisper>  Don't be afraid, Danny.  Use the
Source... </Alec Guinness>

<Voice barely heard over comm link> What's wrong Danny!?  You've
disconnected from RPM.net... </Voice>

Download the Source.
Read the file called "INSTALL"
./configure
make install

You will need to add a switches to the ./configure command to point to your
install directory (var/mailman)
Enjoy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Terweij" <danny at terweij.nl>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:09 PM
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.10


> >----- Original Message -----
>  >From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at zope.com>
>
>  > Hot on the heels of the last release, I'm announcing Mailman 2.0.10
>
>  Someone knows when the Redhat RPM will be available ?
>
>  I have installed the RH 2.0.8 RPM. /var/mailman is the home...
>
> Danny.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Apr 18 23:49:55 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:49:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I delete archived files and emails
References: <000901c1e4cd$7ed98de0$97fde1cf@susiegibson>
Message-ID: <038401c1e722$fa73ec50$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Write a script to parse through the mbox that the archive email is stored
in, delete the older mail, then re-archive.

It is actually pretty easy.  I'm writing a script that does something
similar right now.

Jon Carnes
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Susie Gibson
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 6:32 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do I delete archived files and emails


  Hi I am running two lists on my web server and do not want to permanently
archive messages- just hold them a week and delete them- there seems to be
no way I know of to do this.
  Is there a way to delete archived emails and only keep a week at a
time????
  thanks in advance- smiles, susie g
  Susie Gibson
  sgibson at silverringartjewelry.com
  http://www.silverringartjewelry.com
  ***********
  Mom for;

  The Crafty Christian Newslist

http://66.78.32.3/mailman/listinfo/thecraftychristian_silverringartjewelry.c
om
  craftymom at silverringartjewelry.com
  ---------------
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  http://66.78.32.3/mailman/listinfo/susiegjewelry_silverringartjewelry.com
  jewelrymom at silverringartjewelry.com
  ---------------------
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From hartzell at kestrel.alerce.com  Thu Apr 18 23:48:54 2002
From: hartzell at kestrel.alerce.com (George Hartzell)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:48:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using a "per-list" subscribeack.txt file, w/ patch
Message-ID: <200204182148.g3ILmsde006861@rosebud.alerce.com>

There was some discussion recently about using a different
subscribeack file for each list.  The last word that I saw was a
proposed patch, and a comment that the patch didn't seem to actually
work.

Turned out that I needed this functionality, and managed to get it to
work.  Understand that I'm a perl programmer (hey, stop throwing
stuff!), and this is the first piece of Python code that I've *ever*
read, let alone touched.  Still, this seems to work.
~mailman/bin/version says: "Using Mailman version 2.0.9", but I didn't
do the install (it's in a verio VPS).

Anyway, here's the patch.  The one that I got from the list almost
worked, this differs in getting the name of the list from
self._internal_name and in passing self as a first argument.

If you try this and it blows up, I found the stuff in
~mailman/logs/errors to be useful.

Hope this help,

g.


===================================================================
RCS file: Deliverer.py,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 Deliverer.py
49c49
<             'subscribeack.txt',
---
>             self.specwelcome(self._internal_name),
113a114,122
> 
>     def specwelcome(self, listname):
>         """Return special welcome file for `listname' if it exists."""
>         # If a special subscibeack.txt file exists in the lists home directory
>         # use that instead of the normal one specified in the templates dir
>         welcfile = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, listname, 'subscribeack.txt')
>         if not os.path.exists(welcfile):
>            welcfile = "subscribeack.txt"
>         return welcfile
sjphoto% 




From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Apr 18 23:59:38 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:59:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] first names shown
In-Reply-To: <3f.a009fed.29ee1466@aol.com>; from Beachfrontads@aol.com on Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:57:26PM -0400
References: <3f.a009fed.29ee1466@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20020418165938.B28966@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:57:26PM -0400, Beachfrontads at aol.com wrote:
> How do I need to do to keep my user's first names from being shown on their 
> mailings?

Short, but not entirely accurate, version:

You don't.  The sender controls how their name is listed according to
their own personal preference.


Longer, more complex, but more accurate version:

In theory, you could run incoming messages through a filter that
strips first names out of the From: header before mailman gets the
message.  In practice, however, this is non-trivial.  Aside from the
obvious matter that my From: could contain "Dave Sherohman
<esper at sherohman.org>", "Sherohman, Dave <esper at sherohman.org>", or
even "esper at sherohman.org <Dave Sherohman>" (I think - it's not
normal usage, but I think I've seen it before), there are also the
more esoteric possibilities such as "Tarzan, Lord of the Jungle
<tarzan at jungle.net>", "Ming the Merciless <ming at flash.net>", or "Sith
Master <vader at sith.edu>".  How it a piece of software going to
accurately determine what is a first name and what isn't?  Good
luck...

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss




From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 00:02:30 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:02:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
References: <20020415033446.29700.82480.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<1598000234.1018857301@tom-9k5kaocfpin>
	<20020415210955.GM25045@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <15551.17014.271050.657394@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MM" == Marc MERLIN <marc_news at vasoftware.com> writes:

    >> There is a FAQ entry that wants you to hand edit various spool
    >> files, but you can patch 2.0.8 to allow message editing.

    MM> I think the patch will be necessary for mailman 2.1, it
    MM> unfortunately stores the message on disk in a database format,
    MM> making hand editing on the mm server not that easy.

I've updated the FAQ entry with some useful information for MM2.1.

-Barry




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Apr 19 00:20:45 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:20:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with LARGE mailing list
References: <3CBEB997.191E3B1C@novalis-media.de>
Message-ID: <039401c1e727$48e802f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Wow, what a cool problem...  I think that v 2.1 (once it is out of beta) is
for you.  You'll be able to move that database into a PostGresSQL database
or any database of your choice.

I do hope that you are running a SCSI disk subsystem (or better).  That will
help immensely with resource problems.

Here is an obscure thought - what if you actually set aside some memory for
a ram drive - say about 64 Mb and then backed up the directory
~mailman/lists/<listname>/.. to the RAM drive, then moved the physical
mapping of that directory and mapped the RAM drive there.

Your database and its backups/rebuilds would all take place in RAM.  They
would be very fast so you would have less simultaneous accesses to the
database.
Every hour copy the database from RAM back to your HD somewhere.

Alternately, you could make your main list an umbrella list and then pull
folks out of the main list and into a sublist.  Mailing addresses starting
with an A would go to one list, the B's to another, the Z's to another list
and any numeric emails to yet another list.  (you would have to add each
sub-list to the main list, just like a user).

Folks would still subscribe to the main/umbrella list.  They would stay
there till that night, when your cron ran a script to pull them out and
re-subscribe them to their proper sublist.

That way all your subscribes are taking place on a nearly empty list... and
you control when all the heavy lifting occurs (the movement of folks into
the larger sub-lists).

You will have to generate your own listinfo page (not really all that hard -
just write a simple html page that does what you want and stick that in
place of the current Listinfo page - using the web admin).  Your list info
page could ask folks to enter their email address and then you would use
some back-end logic to isolate the first letter and transfer them to the
proper Listinfo page.  From there, they would be okay!

Good Luck.  Keep us in the loop and let us know what your do!

Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juergen Geinitz" <geinitz at novalis-media.de>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with LARGE mailing list


> Hello,
> I have a mailing list here running for one of our customers
> which is getting extremely large and therefore slow.
> The list is a newsletter list with one post a week - that doesn't
> harm me. But I hav about 500 new subscribes a day which makes up to now
> about 150000 members - and thats my problem:
> the config.db is
> -rw-rw----    1 www-data www-data 15587680 Apr 18 14:13 config.db
>
> and therefore is blowing my main memory. Lokk at this output of "top"
> 31084 www-data  18   0  81M           R    48.7 10.8   0:07
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31262 www-data  20   0  42M           R    48.1  5.5   0:03
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31260 geinitz   13   0 2456           R     0.9  0.3   0:00 top
> 30983 www-data   9   0  73M do_select S     0.3  9.7   0:11
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31102 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.3  5.6   0:04
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31120 www-data  10   0  73M do_select S     0.3  9.7   0:11
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31219 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.3  5.6   0:04
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31240 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.3  5.6   0:04
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
>    11 root       9   0    0 mosix_mem SW    0.1  0.0  10:07 memsorter
> 30682 www-data   9   0  984 do_select S     0.1  0.1   0:05
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31220 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.1  5.6   0:03
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31222 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.1  5.6   0:03
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
> 31242 www-data   9   0  42M do_select S     0.1  5.6   0:03
> /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman-aldi/scripts/driver subscribe
>
> so every subscribe is between 40 an 80 M in core. At the moment the
> system is running an own apache
> for this with a connect limit of 15 which gives 768M main memory used
> plus 200M swap. When I remove
> the apache limit, the system goes into swapping - more subscribe
> requests arrive - less memory
> an about 5 minutes later - BANG
>
> Any Idea?
> Any hint?
>
> Regards
> Juergen
> --
> novalis media
>   Ein Bereich der Vereinigte Verlagsanstalten GmbH -
>     http://www.vva.de
>     http://www.novalis-media.de
> Geschaeftsfuehrer Stefan Meutsch HRB 658 Duesseldorf
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at haht.com  Fri Apr 19 00:22:03 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a forum
References: <NEBBJAIKMKMAOJOLFIDKAEPODKAA.dalydose@dalydose.com>
Message-ID: <03a001c1e727$779a3460$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Yes this forum supports Mailman.
Yes you can sub/unsub via both email and the web.  The web interface is the
preferred method.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Daly" <dalydose at dalydose.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 5:43 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a forum


> I know that this is a free program and that you probably don't have time
to
> support it so I was wondering if there is a forum that could answer my
> questions?
>
> My question
> Is there a way to subscribe/unsubscribe via email & from a web page?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jeff Daly
> e jeff at dalydose.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jonc at haht.com  Fri Apr 19 00:25:17 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:25:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] first names shown
References: <3f.a009fed.29ee1466@aol.com>
Message-ID: <03b301c1e727$eadedf20$0b04010a@JCARNES>

If you want to change the way that the mailer displays the FROM then you
would have to hack the code a bit, either in Mailman or in your MTA.  The
name comes from the mailer.  Mailman and your MTA (sendmail, postfix, exim,
qmail, etc) merely pass on the name/email address as given.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Beachfrontads at aol.com
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:57 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] first names shown


  How do I need to do to keep my user's first names from being shown on
their mailings?

  Julie Wilson
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 19 04:24:08 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:24:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass adding 
In-Reply-To: Message from "holly" <glassalien@socal.rr.com> 
   of "Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:03:24 PDT." <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com> 
References: <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com> 
Message-ID: <15894.1019183048@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:03:24 -0700 
glassalien  <holly> wrote:

> Hi I recently just signed up with pair.com and they use mail man as
> their list server. Is there a way to mass add all the listmembers
> without adding them in the subscribe button one by one it's over 1000
> addresses

~mailman/bin/add_members.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 19 04:24:51 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:24:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] amount of emails 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Brian Simmons" <bsimmons@silverden.com> 
   of "Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:18:02 CDT." <03db01c1e70d$c2f03dc0$f8754e3f@WOPR.NET> 
References: <03db01c1e70d$c2f03dc0$f8754e3f@WOPR.NET> 
Message-ID: <15906.1019183091@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:18:02 -0500 
Brian Simmons <bsimmons at silverden.com> wrote:

> is there a limit to how many e-mails Mailman can handle?  10,000
> 100,000 1,000,000 ?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Apr 19 04:27:41 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:27:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
Message-ID: <200204190227.g3J2RxbH000975@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 15:54, Tom Neff wrote:
>     I will definitely issue an editing patch for 2.1 when it goes gold.  Since 
>     this is one of their "we don't think you should WANT to do this" 
>     hot-buttons, like controlling the List-* headers, I don't want to issue 
> 
> Well, if mailman did List-* headers properly, then people wouldn't want
> to edit them, no? 

People don't want to edit them; people want to, knee-jerk, remove
them, as "it's noise, I don't want it, it scares me, please make
it go away".

What needs to be fixed?  It may well be fixed in 2.1.

> Right now, there aren't even any controls for this on
> umbrella lists, which is about the only place that you'd need to edit
> them.

Umbrella lists have always confused me, so it wouldn't surprise
me if the List- headers are wrong there.  (Not that I'm responsible
for them, but that I have no experience with umbrella lists.)





From gleblanc at linuxweasel.com  Fri Apr 19 04:47:27 2002
From: gleblanc at linuxweasel.com (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: 18 Apr 2002 19:47:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
In-Reply-To: <200204190227.g3J2RxbH000975@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200204190227.g3J2RxbH000975@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <1019184448.7333.5.camel@peecee>

On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 19:27, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2002-04-15 at 15:54, Tom Neff wrote:
> >     I will definitely issue an editing patch for 2.1 when it goes gold.  Since 
> >     this is one of their "we don't think you should WANT to do this" 
> >     hot-buttons, like controlling the List-* headers, I don't want to issue 
> > 
> > Well, if mailman did List-* headers properly, then people wouldn't want
> > to edit them, no? 
> 
> People don't want to edit them; people want to, knee-jerk, remove
> them, as "it's noise, I don't want it, it scares me, please make
> it go away".
> 
> What needs to be fixed?  It may well be fixed in 2.1.

Shoot, did I say that?  They're actually mostly right, at least. 
Umbrella lists are a corner case here, but that's where I've found
problems (and only then because I was trying to implement some
list-related features in an MUA).

> > Right now, there aren't even any controls for this on
> > umbrella lists, which is about the only place that you'd need to edit
> > them.
> 
> Umbrella lists have always confused me, so it wouldn't surprise
> me if the List- headers are wrong there.  (Not that I'm responsible
> for them, but that I have no experience with umbrella lists.)

Umbrella lists are terribly hard to describe, but a not very tough once
you look at how they're set up in practice.  I can give a detailed
example of what I want to be able to do with them, but I wasn't sure if
anybody was listening, since I didn't get any replies to my post on the
topic.  (or am I discussing this on the wrong list?)
	Greg

-- 
Portland, Oregon, USA.





From chk at pobox.com  Fri Apr 19 05:32:55 2002
From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:32:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 2.1 Questions...
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:36:08 -0700".
	 <20020417143608.35928.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20020417143608.35928.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <26694.1019187175@elisabeth.cfrq.net>

> Do you have a list for announcements concerning 2.1? I *desparately*
> want to install it at my organization, but my admin won't until it is
> more stable... thanks!

Her definition of "stable" and mine don't match, I guess. I've been
running it on 8 production mailing lists pretty much since 2.1b1 was
released, with no problems.

-- 
Harald Koch     <chk at pobox.com>




From sholmes at route-fu.net  Fri Apr 19 06:30:31 2002
From: sholmes at route-fu.net (Seth H Holmes)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:30:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman alias
In-Reply-To: <F114gPasSmz6UuEhjJ80000cb4f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204190028320.8472-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, sheila adada wrote:

> Hi
>
> My Debain potato GNU/Linux server is running default setup of GNU Mailman
> 2.0.5 and having a couple of mailing lists on that. Now, we want to have
> multiple aliases for the default posting addresses for those lists.
>
> Should I do that by adding an alias in sendmail, or are there better ways of
> doing that?  Secondly, are there any security considerations in doing this ?
>   Any exploits, or likewise.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Sheila
>
> PS:  I am not subscribed to the mailing list, so I would request you to do
> me a explicit CC too.

I would say you would need both an alias in sendmail for whatever
addresses you want valid. In addition, you need to set valid aliases for
the list within the list configuration itself. I believe its handled under
the "Privacy" section. (Don't have access to a browser at the moment to
check.)

------------------------------------------------
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sholmes at route-fu.net	http://www.route-fu.net
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From sholmes at route-fu.net  Fri Apr 19 06:33:44 2002
From: sholmes at route-fu.net (Seth H Holmes)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:33:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass adding
In-Reply-To: <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0204190032550.8472-100000@dweezil.route-fu.net>

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, holly wrote:

> I recently just signed up with pair.com and they use mail man as their
> list server. Is there a way to mass add all the listmembers without
> adding them in the subscribe button one by one it's over 1000
> addresses

If you have access to the administrator interface, there is a membership
management page where you can add as many addresses all at once as you'd
like.

Or more than I've tried to add at any one time anyway.


------------------------------------------------
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sholmes at route-fu.net	http://www.route-fu.net
sholmes at gbuonline.com	http://www.gbuonline.com
ICQ: 10085439	AIM: sholmes7443





From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 19 07:36:22 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:36:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Any method to set alias for each member?
In-Reply-To: Message from Lewis Lau <WTLEWIS@cityu.edu.hk> 
   of "Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:57:18 +0800." <5.1.0.14.2.20020419112857.00ac3ec0@mail.cityu.edu.hk> 
References: <"Message from holly <glassalien"@socal.rr.com> <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com> <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com>  <5.1.0.14.2.20020419112857.00ac3ec0@mail.cityu.edu.hk> 
Message-ID: <19033.1019194582@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:57:18 +0800 
Lewis Lau <WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk> wrote:

> Hi, Now I have Mailman 2.0.9 up and run on my Mandrake box. I've
> created a small list (about 20 members) for my students to take group
> discussion. What I exactly wanted is: 1. Hidden the "real email
> address" of the senders when they posting message on the list.
> 2. Each of them should have an alias (different names) showing in the
> email header, so that others are still able to realise who is who.

What you're asking for is not specifically a mailing list but an
anonymiser ala the old anon.penet.fi.  You might want to look into one
of the cypherpunk remailer versions that attempts to retain back
addressability (ie you can reply), and front your mailing list with
that.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk  Fri Apr 19 05:57:18 2002
From: WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:57:18 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any method to set alias for each member?
In-Reply-To: <15894.1019183048@kanga.nu>
References: <"Message from holly <glassalien"@socal.rr.com>
 <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com>
 <015201c1e6fa$fa0db7a0$f6cb1818@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419112857.00ac3ec0@mail.cityu.edu.hk>

Hi,

Now I have Mailman 2.0.9 up and run on my Mandrake box. I've created a 
small list (about 20 members) for my students to take group discussion. 
What I exactly wanted is:
      1. Hidden the "real email address" of the senders when they posting 
message on the list.
      2. Each of them should have an alias (different names) showing in the 
email header, so that others are still able to realise who is who.

I done the first part by set the "Hide the sender of a message, replacing 
it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)" option 
in the "Privacy Option" page to "Yes", now everybody have a fake "From 
address": member at list.somewhere.net, but unfortunately everybody have the 
same "From" alias, "Member-admin" as well! =(

Can somebody tell me how to setup the second part? I sincerely appreciate 
for your kindly help!

Best Regards,
Lewis





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 19 07:44:01 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 01:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using a "per-list" subscribeack.txt file, w/ patch
In-Reply-To: <200204182148.g3ILmsde006861@rosebud.alerce.com>
References: <200204182148.g3ILmsde006861@rosebud.alerce.com>
Message-ID: <200204190541.BAA06817@salsa.haht.com>

Thanks for finishing that up!  I meant to get back to it last week but... to 
much work and not enough time to play.

Jon Carnes

BTW, Perl rocks!
 --- Original Message: Thursday 18 April 2002 05:48 pm ---
> There was some discussion recently about using a different
> subscribeack file for each list.  The last word that I saw was a
> proposed patch, and a comment that the patch didn't seem to actually
> work.
>
> Turned out that I needed this functionality, and managed to get it to
> work.  Understand that I'm a perl programmer (hey, stop throwing
> stuff!), and this is the first piece of Python code that I've *ever*
> read, let alone touched.  Still, this seems to work.
> ~mailman/bin/version says: "Using Mailman version 2.0.9", but I didn't
> do the install (it's in a verio VPS).
>
> Anyway, here's the patch.  The one that I got from the list almost
> worked, this differs in getting the name of the list from
> self._internal_name and in passing self as a first argument.
>
> If you try this and it blows up, I found the stuff in
> ~mailman/logs/errors to be useful.
>
> Hope this help,
>
> g.
>
>
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: Deliverer.py,v
> retrieving revision 1.1
> diff -r1.1 Deliverer.py
> 49c49
> <             'subscribeack.txt',
> ---
>
> >             self.specwelcome(self._internal_name),
>
> 113a114,122
>
> >     def specwelcome(self, listname):
> >         """Return special welcome file for `listname' if it exists."""
> >         # If a special subscibeack.txt file exists in the lists home
> > directory # use that instead of the normal one specified in the templates
> > dir welcfile = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, listname,
> > 'subscribeack.txt') if not os.path.exists(welcfile):
> >            welcfile = "subscribeack.txt"
> >         return welcfile
>
> sjphoto%
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk  Fri Apr 19 06:33:33 2002
From: WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:33:33 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any method to set alias for each member?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419123223.04bec240@mail.cityu.edu.hk>

>Hi,
>
>Now I have Mailman 2.0.9 up and run on my Mandrake box. I've created a 
>small list (about 20 members) for my students to take group discussion. 
>What I exactly wanted is:
>      1. Hidden the "real email address" of the senders when they posting 
> message on the list.
>      2. Each of them should have an alias (different names) showing in 
> the email header, so that others are still able to realise who is who.
>
>I done the first part by set the "Hide the sender of a message, replacing 
>it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)" 
>option in the "Privacy Option" page to "Yes", now everybody have a fake 
>"From address": member at list.somewhere.net, but unfortunately everybody 
>have the same "From" alias, "Member-admin" as well! =(
>
>Can somebody tell me how to setup the second part? I sincerely appreciate 
>for your kindly help!
>
>Best Regards,
>Lewis






From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Apr 19 13:02:34 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:02:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.10 compatible Mailman/htdig integration patches
 posted
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419120023.03e808a8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

I have just posted on soureforge revised versions of one of the patches 
needed for the Mailman htdig integration. The other patch needed no 
revision from its MM 2.0.9 version.

You will now need to apply the following files in the order they are listed 
to the vanilla MM 2.0.10 build directory:

1. from 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 
file indexing-2.0.9-0.1.patch

2. from 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 
file htdig-2.0.10-0.1.patch

Any problems with these then let me know






From robin at reportlab.com  Fri Apr 19 13:35:37 2002
From: robin at reportlab.com (Robin Becker)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:35:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving from yahoo
Message-ID: <dkvmunAJEAw8EwIi@jessikat.demon.co.uk>

I am trying to move two lists from yahoogroups/egroups to mailman. We
would like to preserve and transfer the archive. has anyone else
attempted this?

Some people have kept private partial archives eg gnu nnml and suggest
that this should be easy to convert to mbox form. I know little about
the internals of Mailman, nnml or mbox can anyone suggest a plan?
-- 
Robin Becker




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Apr 19 14:00:55 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 19 Apr 2002 14:00:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent! Guys, I need help!
In-Reply-To: Lewis Lau's message of "Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:25:25 +0800"
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111>
	<m3n0w1qcq9.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <3CBF1533.2030707@cityu.edu.hk>
	<3CBF1B30.6030604@zope.com> <3CBF1DA5.2070601@cityu.edu.hk>
Message-ID: <m3adrzzymg.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Lewis Lau <wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk> writes:

> Dear guys,
> 
> I got it!! It works!! I love you all!! Haha...
> So happy now! Thanks for all of your kindly help!

Sorry Guys,

why did you send all the messages as Cc: to me? I read the list.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From sebold at lcms.org  Fri Apr 19 14:31:58 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:31:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving from yahoo
In-Reply-To: <dkvmunAJEAw8EwIi@jessikat.demon.co.uk> (Robin Becker's message
 of "Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:35:37 +0100")
References: <dkvmunAJEAw8EwIi@jessikat.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <877kn3lvi9.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

On 7 Iyyar 5762, Robin Becker wrote:

> Some people have kept private partial archives eg gnu nnml and suggest
> that this should be easy to convert to mbox form. I know little about
> the internals of Mailman, nnml or mbox can anyone suggest a plan?

[this part of the answer is off-topic to Mailman technically, sorry to
other readers]

As far as Gnus and nnml goes, the easiest thing to do would be to ask
the users with nnml archives to copy them to an nnmbox archive and send
that to you.  That is standard mbox format.  Then you don't have to do
any massaging of data.

In Gnus:

* Enter the mail folder using C-u RET
* M P b
* B c nnmbox:mbox

That (or something close to that, I didn't test it) should generate an
mbox archive, probably in the user's ~/mbox file.  Then they can just
gzip that and send it to you.  Note that you may have to strip
extraneous headers that Gnus added (not sure about that), but I'm
guessing you can accomplish that with a grep -v or something like that.
-- 
Charles Sebold             Shabbat Shalom             7th of Iyyar, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems                http://unix.ois.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***




From sebold at lcms.org  Fri Apr 19 14:33:15 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:33:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent! Guys, I need help!
In-Reply-To: <m3adrzzymg.fsf@mailman.charite.de> (Detlef Neubauer's message
 of "Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:00:55 +0200")
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111>
	<m3n0w1qcq9.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <3CBF1533.2030707@cityu.edu.hk>
	<3CBF1B30.6030604@zope.com> <3CBF1DA5.2070601@cityu.edu.hk>
	<m3adrzzymg.fsf@mailman.charite.de>
Message-ID: <873cxrlvg4.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

On 7 Iyyar 5762, Detlef Neubauer wrote:

> Sorry Guys,
> 
> why did you send all the messages as Cc: to me? I read the list.

Because you didn't have a header that said something like
"Mail-Copies-To: never" or "nobody" in your headers?
-- 
Charles Sebold             Shabbat Shalom             7th of Iyyar, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems                http://unix.ois.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Apr 19 14:41:39 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 19 Apr 2002 14:41:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent! Guys, I need help!
In-Reply-To: Charles Sebold's message of "Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:33:15 -0500"
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416012443.00b1deb0@192.168.1.111>
	<m3n0w1qcq9.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <3CBF1533.2030707@cityu.edu.hk>
	<3CBF1B30.6030604@zope.com> <3CBF1DA5.2070601@cityu.edu.hk>
	<m3adrzzymg.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <873cxrlvg4.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>
Message-ID: <m3ofgfyi64.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Charles Sebold <sebold at lcms.org> writes:

> On 7 Iyyar 5762, Detlef Neubauer wrote:
> 
> > Sorry Guys,
> > 
> > why did you send all the messages as Cc: to me? I read the list.
> 
> Because you didn't have a header that said something like
> "Mail-Copies-To: never" or "nobody" in your headers?

Right! I solve this problem.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 19 15:27:24 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 06:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] force existing users to reautherticate ?
Message-ID: <20020419132724.46729.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I have resurrecting a stale list from another server
and was wondering if it is possible to force the
current subscribers (i added them from a flat file
using the  utility) to re-authenticate ?

I am using mailman 2.0.8/Linux RH 7.2.

Thanks,
Moshe
www.bgaddict.com



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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 19 16:08:18 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:08:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] force existing users to reautherticate ?
In-Reply-To: <20020419132724.46729.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020419132724.46729.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200204191405.KAA19483@salsa.haht.com>

Available in the beta 2.1.x series, but not the current 2.0.x series.

You could dump the list to a file and then try:

for i in `cat file`; do mail -s "subscibe $i" listname-request at myhost.com \ 
    <explain.txt ; done

That will mail a bunch of subscribe's to your lists request function.  You 
should create file called explain.txt that tells folks what is happening:
   This old list has been moved, if you wish to be added to the
   new list, simply reply to this email - otherwise, no action will 
   be taken.

Good Luck
 --- Original Message: Friday 19 April 2002 09:27 am ---
> Hi all,
>
> I have resurrecting a stale list from another server
> and was wondering if it is possible to force the
> current subscribers (i added them from a flat file
> using the  utility) to re-authenticate ?
>
> I am using mailman 2.0.8/Linux RH 7.2.
>
> Thanks,
> Moshe
> www.bgaddict.com
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From robin at reportlab.com  Fri Apr 19 16:07:47 2002
From: robin at reportlab.com (Robin Becker)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:07:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving from yahoo
In-Reply-To: <877kn3lvi9.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>
References: <dkvmunAJEAw8EwIi@jessikat.demon.co.uk>
 <877kn3lvi9.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>
Message-ID: <HGBAGUAzSCw8Ewo$@jessikat.demon.co.uk>

In article <877kn3lvi9.fsf at sebold.lcms.org>, Charles Sebold
<sebold at lcms.org> writes
>On 7 Iyyar 5762, Robin Becker wrote:
>
>> Some people have kept private partial archives eg gnu nnml and suggest
>> that this should be easy to convert to mbox form. I know little about
>> the internals of Mailman, nnml or mbox can anyone suggest a plan?
>
>[this part of the answer is off-topic to Mailman technically, sorry to
>other readers]

thx mucho. I hope my correspondent can do this, but your info looks OK
to me (as  a non-gnus user).  
>
>As far as Gnus and nnml goes, the easiest thing to do would be to ask
>the users with nnml archives to copy them to an nnmbox archive and send
>that to you.  That is standard mbox format.  Then you don't have to do
>any massaging of data.
>
>In Gnus:
>
>* Enter the mail folder using C-u RET
>* M P b
>* B c nnmbox:mbox
>
>That (or something close to that, I didn't test it) should generate an
>mbox archive, probably in the user's ~/mbox file.  Then they can just
>gzip that and send it to you.  Note that you may have to strip
>extraneous headers that Gnus added (not sure about that), but I'm
>guessing you can accomplish that with a grep -v or something like that.

-- 
Robin Becker




From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 17:08:07 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:08:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
References: <20020408115951.B15971@sherohman.org>
	<B8D71FAE.248FB%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <15552.13015.781581.10794@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> writes:

    CVR> On 4/8/02 9:59 AM, "Dave Sherohman" <esper at sherohman.org>
    CVR> wrote:

    >> OK, I'll give you that List-Post: isn't applicable to your
    >> list.

    CVR> And I believe in 2.1, mailman won't include headers that
    CVR> aren't relevant to a list, so an announce-only list won't get
    CVR> list-post. Barry? Is that true? I know we talked about it.

Sort of.  There's actually no concrete notion of an "announce-only"
list; IOW, there's no switch to pull to say this is or isn't an
announce-only list.  In MM2.1, the way to do that is to

- turn on the moderation flag for all members

- set the default moderation action to discard (or hold if you don't
  want to be so strict/nasty).

- turn off the moderation flag for the members who are allowed to post

- add any non-members who are allowed to post to the "accept these
  non-members" list.

That having been said, MM2.1beta2 will have the following controls on
the List-* headers:

- if the site administrator allows it, you can suppress all the List-*
  headers for all messages.  For MM2.1beta2, I'm going to change the
  default to allow list owners to override the headers (the default
  used to be to not allow overrides).

- there will be a separate config option to include the List-Post:
  header.  Set this to No if you're running an announce-only list

- List-Archive: will only be added if your list actually has archives
  enabled.

- List-Id: will always be added for all messages (unless suppression
  of all rfc2369 headers is enabled).

- for non-administrivia messages (i.e. postings), List-Help:,
  List-Unsubscribe:, and List-Subscribe: will be added (unless
  suppression of all rfc2369 headers is enabled).

- for administrivia messages, those three headers will not be
  included, but an X-List-Administrivia: header will be added instead
  (again, unless all are suppressed).

I think that about covers all the bases, and should make everyone
happy (FLW).

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 17:10:20 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:10:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
References: <002301c1dded$7b827760$6501a8c0@Carmine>
Message-ID: <15552.13148.407684.224583@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "carmine" ==   <carmine at psaworld.com> writes:

    carmine> When member_posting_only is set to yes, is there a
    carmine> setting to DUMP un-authorized email rather than send it
    carmine> to list admin for review?

There will be in MM2.1.

-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 17:13:39 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:13:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping HTML in pipermail
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020408163900.028dcec0@paulsfunhouse.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0204081513180.28527-100000@kermit.1-up.net>
Message-ID: <15552.13347.391713.490638@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AD" == Allen Day <allenday at 1-up.net> writes:

    AD> I asked about this a while ago, and never received a response.
    AD> Here we go again.

    AD> How can I prevent pipermail from escaping out the tags in HTML
    AD> email?  I want the archived messages to be in HTML form, as
    AD> they were sent out.

In MM2.1, you'd want to set ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 3

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 17:15:17 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:15:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Removing those extra List-* headers
References: <E16ufeO-00017U-00@mail.python.org>
	<1030251125.1018289548@tom-9k5kaocfpin>
Message-ID: <15552.13445.242008.738705@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TN" == Tom Neff <tneff at bigfoot.com> writes:

    TN> Look, I completely agree with you about this major gotcha with
    TN> Mailman, that its otherwise terrifically brilliant coders
    TN> happen to have some ideological hobbyhorses they ride - there
    TN> is no use arguing with them about it.

I wouldn't say that.  Read my other response to this thread.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 17:19:07 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:19:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topic Filters in 2.1b1
References: <02d301c1df6f$e69394c0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <15552.13675.312051.280431@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "S" == Spam  <techgrrl at beeze.com> writes:

    S> First, I have to say that 2.1b1 is a beautiful thing! It does
    S> all things I've always thought Mailman should. :)

Great!

    S> I need help though. When subscribing new members to a list that
    S> uses topic filters, I want the default to be that people
    S> receive only those messages that have a topic and that they not
    S> receive the rest. Right now, the default is that they not
    S> receive any of the topics and not receive any of the
    S> non-topics, meaning they get nothing at all!

Ah, this is because by default, no user is subscribed to a topic, and
there's no way for the admin to auto-subscribe users to a topic.  To
further complicate things, the default is for users to not receive
messages that match no topics.

I've re-examined the topic stuff and I'm not entirely sure that we've
got the semantics right for the defaults.  Would it help if, by
default, a user were to receive all messages that don't match a topic?

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 17:28:17 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:28:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.10
References: <15550.19557.941487.978294@anthem.wooz.org>
	<3CBEB227.2080009@geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <15552.14225.771478.363797@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MTV" == Mark T Valites <valites at geneseo.edu> writes:

    MTV> When did the race condition occour?

Mailman uses a clever naming scheme to make sure that a partially
written incoming message isn't processed by the qrunner.  It has to do
this because two separate processes are writing the incoming messages
and reading the same messages for processing.  Pretty typical system
design stuff.

The race condition in 2.0.8 occurred because of a disagreement in
which file name extension between the reader and the writer.  The race
could -- very occasionally -- cause email to get lost.  Chuq gave a
very nice explanation of why this happens, and why it's so rare; see
the mailman-developers archives for details.

So 2.0.9 fixes this race condition by making sure the reader and
writer agree on the naming convention being used.  But it had a small
bug in the name lookup routine which would cause spurious error
messages in the log file.  2.0.9 won't lose email because of this bug,
which is why the upgrade to 2.0.10 isn't a critical patch.  You'll
just get some useless errors in the error log, with about the same
(in)frequency as the race condition in 2.0.8.

-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 17:35:39 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:35:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editability of messages
References: <200204190227.g3J2RxbH000975@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <15552.14667.967395.469480@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM> writes:

    DM> Umbrella lists have always confused me, so it wouldn't
    DM> surprise me if the List- headers are wrong there.  (Not that
    DM> I'm responsible for them, but that I have no experience with
    DM> umbrella lists.)

FWIW, they've always confused me too (there were there long before I
took over ;).  I believe I know how it Ought To Be Done so it's likely
that they will go away in MM3.  The feature I have in mind will be so
much more flexible.  It's been discussed in mailman-developers, so I
won't go into details here.

-Barry




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 19 17:53:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:53:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <15552.13015.781581.10794@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <20020408115951.B15971@sherohman.org> <B8D71FAE.248FB%chuqui@plaidworks.com> <15552.13015.781581.10794@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <200204191551.LAA23835@salsa.haht.com>

Makes you kind of want to create a "Meta" admin page with some standard 
setups like Announce-only list, etc.

 




From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Fri Apr 19 17:54:15 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 19 Apr 2002 08:54:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] regexes in bounce_matching_headers
In-Reply-To: <3CBD514A.E6B9C4F5@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <3CBD514A.E6B9C4F5@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <1019231663.17151.284.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Wed, 2002-04-17 at 03:41, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> a number of questions about regexes in mailman:
<snip>
> i'm desperately looking for a python-specific regex documentation.
> i'm using a php manual (whose regexes are said to be
> perl-compatible), but i seem to run into subtle problems. any
> pointers ?

Joern,
Here are a couple of links that may help. Also, take a look in the list
archive for a thread named "Regular Expressions".

http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html

-- 
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 17:57:28 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:57:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
References: <20020408115951.B15971@sherohman.org>
	<B8D71FAE.248FB%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
	<15552.13015.781581.10794@anthem.wooz.org>
	<200204191551.LAA23835@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <15552.15976.538295.583501@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> writes:

    JC> Makes you kind of want to create a "Meta" admin page with some
    JC> standard setups like Announce-only list, etc.

What I have in mind for MM-after-2.1 is to allow the creation of "list
styles" which can be easily applied to any particular list.  Probably
exactly what you're thinking about.

-Barry




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Apr 19 17:59:00 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:59:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and why they suck
In-Reply-To: <200204191551.LAA23835@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <B8E58CD4.297D3%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 4/19/02 8:53 AM, "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Makes you kind of want to create a "Meta" admin page with some standard
> setups like Announce-only list, etc.

Or write up faqs/howtos on how to configure specific standard list styles?
Maybe an operators manual of some sort?


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Very funny, Scotty. Now beam my clothes down here, will you?






From matt at interlynx.net  Fri Apr 19 18:34:51 2002
From: matt at interlynx.net (Matt Lavergne)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:34:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any method to set alias for each member?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020419123223.04bec240@mail.cityu.edu.hk>
Message-ID: <00bf01c1e7c0$211bed60$6400a8c0@INTERLYNX>

hey,

the only way i see of accomplishing the second task is to forget the first.
Granted that will expose the email addresses of the people sending to the
list but it will also take their specified from name insted of their email
address. for example as i type this now according to outlook i am replying
to lewis lau insted of your email address.


Matt Lavergne
Tech Support
Interlynx Internet
905-524-5969 x229
1-888-658-5969 x229
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lewis Lau" <WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 12:33 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any method to set alias for each member?


>
> >Hi,
> >
> >Now I have Mailman 2.0.9 up and run on my Mandrake box. I've created a
> >small list (about 20 members) for my students to take group discussion.
> >What I exactly wanted is:
> >      1. Hidden the "real email address" of the senders when they posting
> > message on the list.
> >      2. Each of them should have an alias (different names) showing in
> > the email header, so that others are still able to realise who is who.
> >
> >I done the first part by set the "Hide the sender of a message, replacing
> >it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)"
> >option in the "Privacy Option" page to "Yes", now everybody have a fake
> >"From address": member at list.somewhere.net, but unfortunately everybody
> >have the same "From" alias, "Member-admin" as well! =(
> >
> >Can somebody tell me how to setup the second part? I sincerely appreciate
> >for your kindly help!
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Lewis
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Fri Apr 19 19:22:22 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:22:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper and SMRSH???
Message-ID: <005e01c1e7c6$c4aae700$800ba8c0@ctews01>


Hi there!



I'm a total newbie, the newest kind... I installed Mailman under
Netmax-linux (Based on RH6) and got the follwing problem, which I even found
in the FAQ:

Problem: I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying, sh: wrapper not
available for sendmail programs
Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell (smrsh). You need to
configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the mail wrapper
($prefix/mail/wrapper) to the directory identifying executables allowed to
run under smrsh.

Some common names for this directory are /var/admin/sm.bin,
/usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh.

Note that on Debian Linux, the system makes /usr/lib/sm.bin, which is wrong,
you will need to create the directory /usr/admin/sm.bin and add the link
there. Note further that any aliases newaliases spits out will need to be
adjusted to point to the secure link to the wrapper.



So: What do I type in to fix this ?



My SMRSH directory is  /usr/sbin





Help!?



Erik








From hillson at iastate.edu  Fri Apr 19 19:28:00 2002
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:28:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscription problem in 2.0.9
Message-ID: <p05111705b8e5eb2a5154@[129.186.242.1]>

I am having a problem with 2.0.9 I have not been able to get the web 
interface to work for subscriptions.

When I attempt to subscribe on the general user web page. I get an 
acknowledgement of the subscription with the note that I will have to 
respond to the email message to confirm my subscription. The email 
message never comes. If I look in the subscription log I see the 
standard entry for a pending subscription.

Apr 15 10:45:53 2002 (9697) help: pending tdh at mac.com  129.186.254.254

However, I never get an email message to confirm the subscription.

I see no errors or abnormalities on the web server side. I am running 
Apache 1.3.22 on
RedHat Linux 7.1.

This happens if I set it to confirm for the subscription 
verification. If I change it to require approval, it works and I can 
approve subscriptions. I do not want to get all the approve and 
disapprove email on most of my lists I just want the user to 
subscribe and confirm.

Any ideas on how to fix this or where to look next?
-- 
--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson                 Computer Services Manager
| hillson at iastate.edu         College of Agriculture
| http://www.ag.iastate.edu   Iowa State University
| (515) 294-1543 phone        B2 Curtiss Hall
| (515) 294-1349 fax          Ames, IA   50011
---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"





From reed at affero.com  Fri Apr 19 19:47:16 2002
From: reed at affero.com (Christopher Reed)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:47:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Projects need Money. You can help!
Message-ID: <20020419104716.52cbf123.reed@affero.com>

Apologies in advance if this feels spammy. I showed it to Barry first 
and he thought the concept was interesting. We both would like to see
what you think of the idea.

~~~~
I have been working with a few folks on a grassroots way for people to
donate money to various non-profits & projects such as Apache, Hurd,
EFF, or even to a given developer.  This donation might be in response
to some helpful feedback given by that developer in response to a
question on a mailing list; it might be because their name and URL were
in some software they used.  To be upfront: Affero adds 10% on top of
the donation for our expenses. We hope this  is reasonable given the
costs involved in credit card auth and the like. There are other sites
out there that don't charge you anything like justgive.org The problem
is justgive.org and other sites like it, are limited to 501c3 charities
and you have to go to the site to donate. Affero is viral network, where
the donation happens after an event. The event being the support givin
on mailing lists.

For example: Jon wants to get his employer to change their privacy
policy but runs into a brick wall. Jon goes to some discussion list
and pleads for help. Jane, and EFF supporter, responds to Jon's plea
and give him some specific ideas and resources about how to turn his
employer around. Jon uses the approach and is successfull. Jon wants
to say thanks to Jane, so he clicks on a URL in her email message. The
URL takes Jon to a webpage where he can give public praise to Jane as
well as donate $50 to her favorite foundations (which includes the GNU
and the ACLU).

The software used to deliver the service is open source. You can click
on the "(0)" any page in our service and download the source.

For example, take a look at a link I created below. 

http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=creed&p=Projects

People can go to that URL and donate money, 35% of which goes to the
Squid, 35% to XFree86 and 30% to FSF Gen Fund-GCC.

We're very interested in any comments and feedback on the
site/service. Sign up and raise some cash for your favorite project!
You can check it out at http://www.affero.net to see some demos.
BTW, we have been told that we should lower the current $15.00 minimum.
What do you think?

Thanks

Reed

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How valuable is my contribution? Share your feedback at Affero:
http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=creed&p=Projects
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Office: 415 371 9900
reed at affero.com
http://www.affero.com




From justin at iago.org  Fri Apr 19 20:22:58 2002
From: justin at iago.org (Justin Sheehy)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:22:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems up through 2.1b1
Message-ID: <x7lmbjk0ot.fsf@ra.iago.org>

I was having some problems with one of the cgis under 2.1a2, but that
sort of thing is to be expected with an alpha release.  I figured that
I'd upgrade to 2.1b1 to see if it helped.  Well, it changed the problem.

All mail to any mailman/wrapper managed addresses now bounce like so:

-----------------------------------------------------
<loopback at iago.org>: Command died with status 1: 
"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper  
    post loopback"  
Reporting-MTA: dns; ra.iago.org  
Arrival-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT)  
  
Final-Recipient: rfc822; loopback at iago.org  
Action: failed  
Status: 5.0.0  
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1:  
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post loopback"  
-----------------------------------------------------

Some of the web page CGI scripts throw tracebacks.  For instance, the
admin membership management page:

-----------------------------------------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 193, in main
    show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 496, in show_results
    form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 823, in membership_options
    qs = cgi.parse_qs(os.environ['QUERY_STRING'])
  File "/usr/local/stow/Python-2.2/lib/python2.2/UserDict.py", line 14, in __getitem__
    def __getitem__(self, key): return self.data[key]
KeyError: QUERY_STRING

Python information:
Variable
Value
sys.version
2.2 (#1, Dec 28 2001, 09:54:53) 
[GCC 2.96 20000306 (experimental)]
sys.executable
/usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix
/usr/local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2
sys.exec_prefix
/usr/local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2
sys.path
/usr/local/bin/../stow/Python-2.2
sys.platform
sunos5
Environment variables:
Variable
Value
HTTP_ACCEPT
text/html, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, */*
AUTH_TYPE
Basic
HTTP_USER_AGENT
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Linux 2.2.12 i386) Opera 5.0  [en]
TZ
US/Eastern
HTTP_REFERER
http://www.iago.org/mailman/admin/in-the-wings
SERVER_NAME
ra
GATEWAY_INTERFACE
CGI/1.1
PYTHONPATH
/home/mailman
REMOTE_ADDR
65.202.32.10
SERVER_SOFTWARE
thttpd/2.21b 23apr2001
SCRIPT_NAME
/mailman/admin
CGI_PATTERN
mailman/**|mailman/*/*
REQUEST_METHOD
GET
HTTP_HOST
www.iago.org
PATH_TRANSLATED
/export/home/thttpd/data/in-the-wings/members
SERVER_PORT
80
SERVER_PROTOCOL
HTTP/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
deflate, gzip, x-gzip, identity, *;q=0
HTTP_COOKIE
in-the-wings+admin=280200000069803dc03c732800000037363130656131663133376434323732313431363033306233366437343037353830353666303238
PATH_INFO
/in-the-wings/members

(sorry for the formatting, it didn't survive cut/paste very well)
-----------------------------------------------------


Did I miss some documentation necessary for the upgrade?  Mailman is
useless on this host at this time.

Thanks for any help.  Please let me know if there is any more info
that I can provide.

-Justin

 





From mrp at pobox.com  Fri Apr 19 21:21:27 2002
From: mrp at pobox.com (Mark Peglow)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing db files for messages
Message-ID: <A53C2016-53CA-11D6-B089-003065D5F2A4@pobox.com>

Hello,

I am running Mailman 2.0.8 on FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE with Python 2.0.1 
and Sendmail 8.11.6.

I have several message file (.msg) with no corresponding .db 
files.  From the logs, it seems that qrunner determined that the db 
files were orphaned and removed them.  Most messages are delivered 
without a problem.

The log entry:

Apr 19 17:08:06 2002 (80652) Unlinking orphaned .db file: 
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/9ce5400cd779c86b3ae5adc4a73790d618d0163f.db

There are no error messages around this (except that qrunner cannot 
open the db file it just removed).

The message file:

-rw-rw-r--  1 mailnull  mailman  -  7735 Apr 19 17:08 
9ce5400cd779c86b3ae5adc4a73790d618d0163f.msg

The system does get busy from time to time (although I cannot 
correlate the failures to system load), so I am guessing that the 
message starts to get queued up (the database file is written) then 
gets held up writing the message file, during which time qrunner 
starts, finds the .db file and no .msg file, so it removes it.

My questions:

1) Is there a way to regenerate the db files so these stuck 
messages can be delivered?  If so, how?

2) Is there a way to keep this from happening in the future?

Thank you in advance for you help with this.

Mark.





From techgrrl at beeze.com  Fri Apr 19 22:05:44 2002
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:05:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topic Filters in 2.1b1
References: <02d301c1df6f$e69394c0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com> <15552.13675.312051.280431@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <00ae01c1e7dd$968fa6f0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at zope.com>
> >>>>> "S" == Spam  <techgrrl at beeze.com> writes:
> 
>     S> I need help though. When subscribing new members to a list that
>     S> uses topic filters, I want the default to be that people
>     S> receive only those messages that have a topic and that they not
>     S> receive the rest. Right now, the default is that they not
>     S> receive any of the topics and not receive any of the
>     S> non-topics, meaning they get nothing at all!
> 
> Ah, this is because by default, no user is subscribed to a topic, and
> there's no way for the admin to auto-subscribe users to a topic.  To
> further complicate things, the default is for users to not receive
> messages that match no topics.
> 
> I've re-examined the topic stuff and I'm not entirely sure that we've
> got the semantics right for the defaults.  Would it help if, by
> default, a user were to receive all messages that don't match a topic?

I poked around a bit too. I think that in truth, by default everybody gets every message, unless they choose some topics, in which case they get only the topics. That works ok in theory.

However, right now, I can't get topics to work. I had 'em working, but now they're not. No matter what I do, I seem to get every post from a list that has topics, whether I've selected them or not. One of my many projects for the weekend is to try to at least isolate when/why it happens and go from there.

 -- Sarah





From justin at iago.org  Fri Apr 19 22:35:30 2002
From: justin at iago.org (Justin Sheehy)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:35:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems up through 2.1b1
References: <x7lmbjk0ot.fsf@ra.iago.org>
Message-ID: <x7it6nh1f1.fsf@ra.iago.org>

Message to self: RTFM.

More appropriately: Read the Fine NEWS File

The bounce problem was due to not having switched "wrapper" to
"mailman" in my aliases.

Now, the problem is somewhat different.

Mail to all of the various mailman-managed addresses goes through.  I
get many lines of the following format in my error log:

Apr 19 16:30:51 2002 (8765) lost data files for filebase:
1019248249.5778871+551c9167abc87d8d6b151ba2dcaccfdc818fee30

Also, I continue to get the same tracebacks on the membership
management pages, which look like a bug.  Did I miss something else in
the docs?  I think I've read them more thoroughly now...

Thanks.

-Justin

 
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 193, in main
>     show_results(mlist, doc, category, subcat, cgidata)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 496, in show_results
>     form.AddItem(membership_options(mlist, subcat, cgidata, doc, form))
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 823, in membership_options
>     qs = cgi.parse_qs(os.environ['QUERY_STRING'])
>   File "/usr/local/stow/Python-2.2/lib/python2.2/UserDict.py", line 14, in __getitem__
>     def __getitem__(self, key): return self.data[key]
> KeyError: QUERY_STRING
> -----------------------------------------------------





From egemen at ergel.net  Fri Apr 19 16:45:47 2002
From: egemen at ergel.net (Egemen Ergel)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:45:47 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.9 attachment questions
Message-ID: <01c201c1e7b0$e8bd3960$9982553e@webeviflyfish>

Is it possible to prevent people sending attachments to the mailing list?

thnx







From sdale at peart.com  Fri Apr 19 18:38:21 2002
From: sdale at peart.com (Stephen A. Dale)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:38:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman subscription limit?
Message-ID: <1019234301.3cc047fda3cd4@secure.peart.com>


Is there a limit to the number of users you can have on a mailman list?  I am
running mailman 2.0.5 on RedHat 7.0.91 with sendmail.

Thanks,
Steve





From noah.swint at pathways-usa.org  Fri Apr 19 20:32:13 2002
From: noah.swint at pathways-usa.org (Noah Swint)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:32:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Footer
Message-ID: <006201c1e7d0$869378b0$9865fea9@oldmightymouse>

Is it possible to change the footer information to include some company 
specific logos and information?

Noah Swint
Pathways Community Network
1908 Cliff Valley Way NE Ste 250
Atlanta, GA 30329

404-584-6591, ext 303
404-584-9006 (fax)
www.pathways-usa.org


Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any 
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and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any 
unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is 
prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please 
contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the 
original message.





From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 23:51:23 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:51:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing db files for messages
References: <A53C2016-53CA-11D6-B089-003065D5F2A4@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <15552.37211.169574.114930@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MP" == Mark Peglow <mrp at pobox.com> writes:

    MP> 1) Is there a way to regenerate the db files so these stuck 
    MP> messages can be delivered?  If so, how?

Not easily, although you can attempt to resend the messages through
the system to get them unstuck.

    MP> 2) Is there a way to keep this from happening in the future?

Upgrade to MM2.0.10.  This is exactly the situation the last two patch
releases fixed.

-Barry






From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 19 23:56:12 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:56:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Topic Filters in 2.1b1
References: <02d301c1df6f$e69394c0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>
	<15552.13675.312051.280431@anthem.wooz.org>
	<00ae01c1e7dd$968fa6f0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <15552.37500.53852.168818@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "SKM" == Sarah K Miller <techgrrl at beeze.com> writes:

    SKM> However, right now, I can't get topics to work. I had 'em
    SKM> working, but now they're not. No matter what I do, I seem to
    SKM> get every post from a list that has topics, whether I've
    SKM> selected them or not. One of my many projects for the weekend
    SKM> is to try to at least isolate when/why it happens and go from
    SKM> there.

Hmm, please try cvs or (if I get it out) beta2.  I just tried some
simple experiments and it seems to be working as documented.

-Barry




From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Sat Apr 20 00:23:10 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:23:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error 126
Message-ID: <012e01c1e7f0$c9f41b30$800ba8c0@ctews01>

I am still stuck at the smrsh.

I am getting error 126 send back to the email?

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (reason: 126)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
/bin/sh: /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper: is a directory
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error
126


strange isn't it?

Erik







From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sat Apr 20 00:26:52 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:26:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman 2.0.9 attachment questions
In-Reply-To: <01c201c1e7b0$e8bd3960$9982553e@webeviflyfish>
References: <01c201c1e7b0$e8bd3960$9982553e@webeviflyfish>
Message-ID: <20020419222652.GA30801@hq.newdream.net>

Egemen Ergel wrote:

> Is it possible to prevent people sending attachments to the mailing list?

use demime or stripmime (see the faq)

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 20 07:35:43 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:35:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.9 attachment questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Egemen Ergel" <egemen@ergel.net> 
   of "Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:45:47 +0300." <01c201c1e7b0$e8bd3960$9982553e@webeviflyfish> 
References: <01c201c1e7b0$e8bd3960$9982553e@webeviflyfish> 
Message-ID: <5364.1019280943@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:45:47 +0300 
Egemen Ergel <egemen at ergel.net> wrote:

> Is it possible to prevent people sending attachments to the mailing
> list?  

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 20 07:36:01 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:36:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman subscription limit? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Stephen A. Dale" <sdale@peart.com> 
   of "Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:38:21 EDT." <1019234301.3cc047fda3cd4@secure.peart.com> 
References: <1019234301.3cc047fda3cd4@secure.peart.com> 
Message-ID: <5373.1019280961@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:38:21 -0400 
Stephen A Dale <sdale at peart.com> wrote:

> Is there a limit to the number of users you can have on a mailman
> list?  I am running mailman 2.0.5 on RedHat 7.0.91 with sendmail.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in  Sat Apr 20 08:30:13 2002
From: ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:00:13 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ownership problems in admindb.py
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204201139210.22417-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>

Hi,

I have setup Mailman and have the following problems with it:

	I have a list called priv where only memebers are allowed
	to post.

	When a non-member posts to the list, it goes for admin
	approval.

	The administratior rejects the posting thru web interface.

	At this point the ownership of /var/lists/priv/configdb and
	/var/lists/priv/configdb.last changes. It changes from
	uid=mailman, gid=nofiles to uid=nobody, gid=nofiles. Also,
	the permission of the files become -rw-rw----

	This happens because apache is running with uid=nobody and
	gid=nofiles. I have configured mailman with uid=mailman and
	gid=nofiles.

	The refusal intimation from the admin never goes ou to the
	poster because the qrunner runs with uid=mailman and gid=nofiles
	and it has no read access to the files /var/lists/priv/configdb*.
	The moment I do "chmod a+r /var/lists/priv/configdb*" the queue
	is cleared and the refusal message reaches the external user.

Can anyone please help me out ? I can not run apache with any other
uid. I am thinking of patching the admindb.py to force the ownership to
uid=mailman and gis=nofiles. This I want to do as a last resort if I
dont find any responses.

Regards.

--ajit

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From walid at netlinx.ws  Sat Apr 20 15:24:54 2002
From: walid at netlinx.ws (walid at netlinx.ws)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:24:54 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any one can Help .... PLZ !!!
Message-ID: <011e01c1e86e$c53cd770$0100a8c0@walid>

Hi All,

I had installed Mailman "version 2.0.10 (101270)" on my website and it seems that it is working fine ....BUT

I can recieve a confirmation email when Subscriping ,but when i replay back there is no welcom email !!

can any one tell me what email account I have to create on my website email system ?

any one can give step by step after installation on my server , ....... ?

thank u all, and wating u !
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From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Sat Apr 20 17:29:57 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:29:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
Message-ID: <015601c1e880$3a72bb20$800ba8c0@ctews01>

Hi everyone,

can anyone please tell me what I should do when I see this?

----snip-------
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
    checkmail()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
    mode = statmode(wrapper)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
    return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper'

------------snip-----------------

please help,

after 4 days toying with all kinds of hickups, i would like to see this
great prog run here...???

Erik







From lior at typo.co.il  Sun Apr 21 04:55:53 2002
From: lior at typo.co.il (Lior Hammer)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:55:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem installing mailman on RedHat Linux
Message-ID: <006001c1e8e0$0fa7ad50$0100000a@hammer>

Hello,
i installed Mailman 2.0.8 on my Redhat linux server.
when i'm trying to send mail to one of the list email addresses
(testlist,testlist-request,etc...), i don't get any response from the
server.
when i'm running `mailq` i get: "Operating system error" about this E-mail.
what is the problem?
Thank you.





From lior at typo.co.il  Sun Apr 21 05:10:01 2002
From: lior at typo.co.il (Lior Hammer)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem installing mailman on RedHat Linux
References: <006001c1e8e0$0fa7ad50$0100000a@hammer>
Message-ID: <008001c1e8e2$072b0f80$0100000a@hammer>

Oops.....
i didn't read README.SENDMAIL
sorry!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lior Hammer" <lior at typo.co.il>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:55 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem installing mailman on RedHat Linux


> Hello,
> i installed Mailman 2.0.8 on my Redhat linux server.
> when i'm trying to send mail to one of the list email addresses
> (testlist,testlist-request,etc...), i don't get any response from the
> server.
> when i'm running `mailq` i get: "Operating system error" about this
E-mail.
> what is the problem?
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From adi at adiraj.org  Sat Apr 20 19:23:11 2002
From: adi at adiraj.org (Adi Fairbank)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:23:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Footer
References: <006201c1e7d0$869378b0$9865fea9@oldmightymouse>
Message-ID: <3CC1A3FF.4CB7EBA6@adiraj.org>

Noah,

Yes.  Take a look at htmlformat.MailmanLogo().  Hack it to add your company
logos instead of python/gnu/mailman.

-Adi

Noah Swint wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to change the footer information to include some company
> specific logos and information?
> 
> Noah Swint
> Pathways Community Network
> 1908 Cliff Valley Way NE Ste 250
> Atlanta, GA 30329
> 
> 404-584-6591, ext 303
> 404-584-9006 (fax)
> www.pathways-usa.org
> 
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> and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any
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> original message.
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From dreamboy at aros.net  Fri Apr 19 20:40:56 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:40:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Majordomo Sytle Commands
In-Reply-To: <15550.19557.941487.978294@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <HPELJEHMNBKHOOGCDOFNKEKKCMAA.dreamboy@aros.net>

I just downloaded and installed Mailman 2.0.10
and I was going through the Mailman features and it
states that Mailman supports Majordomo-style email
based commands is this true for subscribing and
unsubscribing from a list? If so what e-mail would
they need to e-mail and what syntax to use?

Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Devin Atencio




From tmiller at nethawk.com  Sat Apr 20 22:12:20 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 16:12:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Decrypt List Admin Password
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020420155846.00aa00d8@mail.nethawk.com>

I am site admin using Mailman 2.0.8 under Linux.

We have several hundred lists running on our site and I am getting tired of the procedure of changing their passwords when they loose them.  I had intended on running a script to dump them out to a file that I could read and send them their old password but found that they (unlike the users pw) are encrypted.

I have no problem dumping the db file and pulling out the pw, but I do not know how to decrypt it via bash.

Any help with this is appreciated.

Tim





From jvanasco at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 21 01:29:41 2002
From: jvanasco at hotmail.com (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:29:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does Mailman mail, man?
Message-ID: <F2399lHujN13kOJ7Fcy00002a26@hotmail.com>

witty, eh?

i've been dissecting the code to the best of my abilities, but i've come up 
short

it seems to me that Mailman just calls sendmail per To: email address

i'm wondering if i'm missing something -- is it sending to bcc:s, or doing 
crazy things with the envelopes like perl's mail:bulkmail (which will use 
the envelope to send the msg to everyone at one domain in  one shot)

i'm trying to guage the performance of this on my smtp server -- i'm weary 
of postfix  getting inundated w/sendmails from Mailman or disk space issues 
from all these  mail files


_________________________________________________________________
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From whybidmore at netscape.net  Sun Apr 21 01:40:14 2002
From: whybidmore at netscape.net (whybidmore at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 19:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A new Collectibles and Computer auction site
Message-ID: <3EDC2571.7D52E107.10F431A2@netscape.net>

Why choose http://www.whybidmore.com to sell your new and/or used products? 
1. FREE Registration for all users
2. LARGE discounts for sellers that post frequently 
3. NO POSTING CHARGES until July 1, 2002- EXTENDED OFFER!
4. EASY-TO-USE auction format.
5. FREE Classified advertisements until July 1, 2002- EXTENDED OFFER!

Once again, through July 1, 2002, we are offering our registered users to post there auction or classified item with absolutely NO CHARGE.  At the end of June, your account will be credited for any insertion charges.  At www.whybidmore.com, we are committed to bringing you brand name products at the lowest prices. Over the next several months, we will be involved in a massive advertising campaign and within the next few weeks, you will be able to find a broader selection of merchandise including electronics, sports memorabilia and more, giving you even more opportunities to get a great deal on the item of your choice! 



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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sun Apr 21 02:14:58 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:14:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I/O error in Runner.py when archiving under 2.1a3
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020417093456.047a9fd0@ella.mills.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020417093456.047a9fd0@ella.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <20020421001450.GH9494@merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:44:19AM -0700, Ellen Spertus wrote:
> A mailing list of mine works except for archiving.
> 
> I am using 2.1a3 on Redhat.

Ok, if you are using 2.1, you *really* want to use CVS, not snapshots,
unless they just came out.
Barry being a lucky guy invariably fixes a bug or two right after releasing
snapshots :-)

2.1b2 is due out RSN, but you can use CVS right now

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sun Apr 21 02:19:55 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] renaming a mailing list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0204171835160.39461-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0204171835160.39461-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <20020421001955.GI9494@merlins.org>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 06:40:24PM -0400, Fuzzy wrote:
> 
> I discovered that one of my lists "sanctuary-admin" conflicts
> with the admin address of the mailing list "sanctuary", mailman
> is taking the posting address and appending "-admin" and trying
> use that as the admin address. this fails and confuses the
> membership of sanctuary-admin. how can I rename the mailing
> list sanctuary-admin to sanctuary-adm so there isn't a conflict?

It should be in the FAQ. but in the meantime, look at the archives with a
search engine, it's been posted here a few times.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Apr 21 02:38:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:38:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How does Mailman mail, man? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jonathan Vanasco" <jvanasco@hotmail.com> 
   of "Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:29:41 -0000." <F2399lHujN13kOJ7Fcy00002a26@hotmail.com> 
References: <F2399lHujN13kOJ7Fcy00002a26@hotmail.com> 
Message-ID: <17099.1019349526@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:29:41 +0000 
Jonathan Vanasco <jvanasco at hotmail.com> wrote:

> it seems to me that Mailman just calls sendmail per To: email address

It makes a standard SMTP connection to your MTA on localhost (by
default, you can point it elsewhere), delivering messages with bundles
of RCPT To's of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS size (see mm_cfg.py for value).

> i'm trying to guage the performance of this on my smtp server -- i'm
> weary of postfix getting inundated w/sendmails from Mailman or disk
> space issues from all these mail files

I do hope you don't have DELIVERY_MODULE set to Sendmail.  It should be
SMTPDirect for decent performance.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From spertus at mills.edu  Sun Apr 21 02:52:30 2002
From: spertus at mills.edu (Ellen Spertus)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:52:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CVS branches?
In-Reply-To: <20020421001450.GH9494@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0204201746400.15431-100000@ella.mills.edu>

On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> Ok, if you are using 2.1, you *really* want to use CVS, not snapshots,
> unless they just came out.

I could use some advice here.  I took a snapshot because I'm making a lot
of my own changes to the code, i.e., adding dynamic sublists.  My
short-term goal is to do a user test real soon.  My long term goal is for
the changes to be incorporated into Mailman.  It seems my choices are:
- working from a snapshot (what I've been doing)
- getting my own CVS branch

Would you be willing to create a CVS branch for me (call it "mills") that
I can write my changes to, merging in fixes from the main branch?  (I am 
NOT asking for write permission to the main branch.)  Or perhaps you could 
suggest a better mechanism.

Thanks.

Ellen





From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Sun Apr 21 13:08:49 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:08:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any reason why my mails are ignored?
Message-ID: <01ef01c1e924$ea04eb90$800ba8c0@ctews01>


Hello,

Is anybody reading this?

I asked some questions regarding Mailman, but no replys yet.
I do see other peoples mail in the list.


Regards

Erik







From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Sun Apr 21 13:49:13 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:49:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any reason why my mails are ignored?
References: <01ef01c1e924$ea04eb90$800ba8c0@ctews01> <007501c1e928$8ecabee0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <01f701c1e92a$8ecc3390$800ba8c0@ctews01>

Ok, so that's not the problem then..:-)

Maybe the questions are to difficult then?...:-)


Regards

Erik


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danny Terweij" <danny at poema.yi.org>
To: "E.J.L. Kemper" <E.J.L.Kemper at cybertech.nl>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Any reason why my mails are ignored?


> I see it.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "E.J.L. Kemper" <E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:08 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any reason why my mails are ignored?
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Is anybody reading this?
> > 
> > I asked some questions regarding Mailman, but no replys yet.
> > I do see other peoples mail in the list.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Erik
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >





From robin at reportlab.com  Sun Apr 21 17:46:15 2002
From: robin at reportlab.com (Robin Becker)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:46:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie again
Message-ID: <pps7dLAH7tw8Ew+g@jessikat.fsnet.co.uk>

Is there any way to do automatic responses to posting with a python
script?

EG I set up a list support and want it to issue a ticket number.
-- 
Robin Becker




From barrlu at colorandpassion.com  Sun Apr 21 16:10:11 2002
From: barrlu at colorandpassion.com (Barr Lewis)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i would like to unsubscribe
Message-ID: <002e01c1e956$635af850$02641ed0@VAIO>

I cant seem to find the unsubscribe info, wonder if you might point it out to me,
thanks,
Barr
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From jvanasco at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 21 20:56:59 2002
From: jvanasco at hotmail.com (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:56:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another stupid question about mailman's mail handling
Message-ID: <F241g9XuEhG0HbmO5fO000034a2@hotmail.com>

having been told about SMTPdirect.py, i looked through it..

then i looked in the mailman-users and mailman-development archives, but 
couldn't find an answer...

perl's mail::bulkmail will optimize smtp delivery by sending out chunks of 
emails within one domain at once, using multiple addresses w/one file in the 
same envelope...

i was wondering if something like this was implemented, but i dont think 
so... so i'm wondering why its not.

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From stap at dse.nl  Sun Apr 21 22:26:37 2002
From: stap at dse.nl (Jan Stap)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:26:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List creation role per virtual domain?
Message-ID: <006401c1e972$d7a394d0$1001a8c0@walker>

Hello,

where each user on the server gets an account and a subdomain of the server domain. So, suppose the server is called server.domain.com, a user joe gets an account "joe" and is assigned the domain joe.domain.com. Joe has a home page http://joe.domain.com and may send and receive mail on <aliases of choice>@joe.domain.com. Further, Joe may create and maintain one or more mailing lists at joe.domain.com. Ideally, joe should enter his account password at the list creation web page, in order to be able to create a list.

With the multi-domain functionality of Mailman 2.1b1, a user may moderate his lists and change the lists configurations. List creation is however a central role, so each user has to ask the server admin to create a list for him, which does not scale very much. Am I overlooking a feature, or should I create a wrapper script around the create CGI script and adjust the list creation web page to get the desired result?

Thanks very much.

Cheers,

Jan Stap

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Apr 21 22:43:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:43:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another stupid question about mailman's mail handling 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jonathan Vanasco" <jvanasco@hotmail.com> 
   of "Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:56:59 -0000." <F241g9XuEhG0HbmO5fO000034a2@hotmail.com> 
References: <F241g9XuEhG0HbmO5fO000034a2@hotmail.com> 
Message-ID: <27810.1019421826@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:56:59 +0000 
Jonathan Vanasco <jvanasco at hotmail.com> wrote:

> perl's mail::bulkmail will optimize smtp delivery by sending out
> chunks of emails within one domain at once, using multiple addresses
> w/one file in the same envelope...

> i was wondering if something like this was implemented, but i dont
> think so... so i'm wondering why its not.

Mailman sorts the target domains and then batches the list per the
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS as previously noted.  Due to this target domains will be
clustered.  Depending on whether the number of addresses within a
specific target domain is modulo SMTP_MAX_RCPTS, there may or may not be
other domains within a specific bundle (2.1 does a good job here, 2.1
does slightly better).

Note: This is actually a comparitively smaller optimization given an
intelligent and performant MTA ala Postfix or Exim.  It much more
significant for Sendmail.

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From barry at zope.com  Mon Apr 22 00:49:29 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:49:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Decrypt List Admin Password
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020420155846.00aa00d8@mail.nethawk.com>
Message-ID: <15555.16889.444190.202465@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TM" == Tim Miller <tmiller at nethawk.com> writes:

    TM> I have no problem dumping the db file and pulling out the pw,
    TM> but I do not know how to decrypt it via bash.

You can't.  The list admin passwords are not kept in plaintext, and
aren't decryptable.

-Barry




From jarrell at vt.edu  Mon Apr 22 02:29:29 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:29:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any reason why my mails are ignored?
In-Reply-To: <01ef01c1e924$ea04eb90$800ba8c0@ctews01>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421202649.00a6d7e0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 01:08 PM 4/21/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:


>Hello,
>
>Is anybody reading this?
>
>I asked some questions regarding Mailman, but no replys yet.
>I do see other peoples mail in the list.

Maybe because no one had an immediate answer to your question?  Note that 
while several developers often hang out here and answer questions, and 
other knowledgeable users do to, that it's no one's *job* to do so - in 
fact, we all actually have jobs of our own, no doubt much like you.  I'm 
sure no one was intentionally snubbing you.  Honestly, I haven't even 
*seen* your question yet, because I almost never have a chance to catch up 
on mailman-users, I tend to react to subjects that I recognize as being 
something I know I'll be able to answer quickly because I have personal 
experience with it, or ones that look like something's wrong, like yours...





From jarrell at vt.edu  Mon Apr 22 02:32:13 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:32:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error 126
In-Reply-To: <012e01c1e7f0$c9f41b30$800ba8c0@ctews01>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203018.00a5ccd0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:23 AM 4/20/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:

>I am still stuck at the smrsh.
>
>I am getting error 126 send back to the email?
>
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (reason: 126)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>/bin/sh: /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper: is a directory
>554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error
>126

sounds like you screwed up your smrsh config.  if 
/usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper  is a directory, smrsh certainly cant exec 
it.  It's not a mailman issue.





From jarrell at vt.edu  Mon Apr 22 02:37:11 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
In-Reply-To: <015601c1e880$3a72bb20$800ba8c0@ctews01>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203352.00a6d980@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 05:29 PM 4/20/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>can anyone please tell me what I should do when I see this?

Honestly, what you need to do is delete your installed mailman config,
(save mm_cfg.py if you edited it), and go through and reverify your 
settings to configure.  Verify the paths you set, for instance.  Make sure 
the mailman homedir is there, and has the right permissions.  Then 
reinstall.  Because the error below is very self explanatory - an essential 
piece of mailman simply isn't where you told the software you were going to 
put it.

Start at the beginning of the INSTALL file and reverify everything step by 
step.

I'm assuming you're running 2.0something, because in 2.1 there is no 
wrapper program there anymore, it got renamed.  If you're running 
2.1anything then, again, you really need to read the install and upgrade 
files, because there's a *lot* of stuff you needed to do, including 
regenerating all your aliases.


>----snip-------
>Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
>     checkmail()
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
>     mode = statmode(wrapper)
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
>     return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
>OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper'
>
>------------snip-----------------
>
>please help,
>
>after 4 days toying with all kinds of hickups, i would like to see this
>great prog run here...???
>
>Erik
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jvanasco at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 22 04:24:15 2002
From: jvanasco at hotmail.com (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:24:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another stupid question about mailman's mail handling
Message-ID: <F59cca2p757011RycMC0000e067@hotmail.com>

first off -- thanks for both your responses.

second, re:
>Mailman sorts the target domains and then batches the list per the
>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS as previously noted.  Due to this target domains will be
>clustered.  Depending on whether the number of addresses within a
>specific target domain is modulo SMTP_MAX_RCPTS, there may or may not be

from the code i found in SMTPDirect, the only sorting is by tld - com net 
org edu and  'other' in the chunk function

is there another function doing some sort of sorting i'm missing?  I dont 
know much about postfix -- my only frame of reference right now is some 
experience w/the mail::bulkmail in perl that i mentioned earlier -- which 
would submit to smtp by secondary domains.   i think that either you're 
sayingan intelligent mta like postfix will do that all inhouse (say i submit 
  one at a.com two at a.com three at b.com -- one and two will go in the same 
envelope/queuefile and three till go in another) or we're talking about 
totally different things

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From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Mon Apr 22 11:18:18 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:18:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error 126
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203018.00a5ccd0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <001601c1e9de$a78f9160$800ba8c0@ctews01>

But the strange thing is I think, that de installation procedure didn't
build the wrapper file at all.
Some-one from this list send me this file, but that didn't help.

I did however change the error to this....?

------snip------

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (reason: service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <test-request at testserver.nl>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable

--------snip-------------



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu>
To: "E.J.L. Kemper" <E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error 126


> At 12:23 AM 4/20/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:
>
> >I am still stuck at the smrsh.
> >
> >I am getting error 126 send back to the email?
> >
> >   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> >"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> >     (reason: 126)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> >/bin/sh: /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper: is a directory
> >554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer
error
> >126
>
> sounds like you screwed up your smrsh config.  if
> /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper  is a directory, smrsh certainly cant exec
> it.  It's not a mailman issue.





From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Mon Apr 22 11:24:50 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:24:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203352.00a6d980@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <002101c1e9df$8d691ee0$800ba8c0@ctews01>

Hi again,

I am using 2.09 BTW....

I re-installed the whole program several times, starting with MAKE CLEAN
then removing the directory.
So really from scratch....?

>  Then
> reinstall.  Because the error below is very self explanatory - an
essential
> piece of mailman simply isn't where you told the software you were going
to
> put it.

What is that essential piece then?
I am using all the default directory settings....

Greetings


Erik






From mrp at pobox.com  Mon Apr 22 14:59:23 2002
From: mrp at pobox.com (Mark Peglow)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing db files for messages
In-Reply-To: <15552.37211.169574.114930@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <C4817B1A-55F0-11D6-BADE-003065D5F2A4@pobox.com>

On Friday, April 19, 2002, at 04:51 PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

>
>>>>>> "MP" == Mark Peglow <mrp at pobox.com> writes:
>
>     MP> 1) Is there a way to regenerate the db files so these stuck
>     MP> messages can be delivered?  If so, how?
>
> Not easily, although you can attempt to resend the messages through
> the system to get them unstuck.

It takes a little time (Have to read the headers to see where the 
message is going, but this worked great, no messages lost.  Thank 
you.

>
>     MP> 2) Is there a way to keep this from happening in the future?
>
> Upgrade to MM2.0.10.  This is exactly the situation the last two patch
> releases fixed.

In process.

>
> -Barry

Thank you for the help,
Mark.
>
>
>
>





From o-zone at tdsiena.it  Mon Apr 22 16:00:16 2002
From: o-zone at tdsiena.it (O-Zone)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:00:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py
Message-ID: <20020422140018.5750A4E8D1@shining.o-zone.ath.cx>

Hi all, when i modify a file (mm_cfg.py) how i can do "effectively" changes 
to Mailman ? I need to recompile o something similar ?

O-Zone
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon Apr 22 16:46:12 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:46:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] override or change IGNORECASE in bounce_matching_headers ?
Message-ID: <3CC42234.C91EFF44@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hello !

is there any way to override the IGNORECASE flag in
bounce_matching_headers ?
i read about the (?i) statement, but it only says "set flags" in the
docs, nothing about toggling or unsetting.
i'm looking for a solution that will work with python 1.5 (yeah, i
know, but it's not my box).

this is for a shouting filter like
Subject: .*[^a-z]{12,}
to weed out all-caps spam and also wrong charsets that end up as
=23=FE=4E etc...
but it does not work so far.

thanks, 

j?rn



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From wheakory at isu.edu  Mon Apr 22 18:55:14 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:55:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web_page_url change
Message-ID: <3CC44058.79A2563D@isu.edu>

We are going to be changing the name of our Host Name on our Red Hat
Linux box that Mailman 2.0.8 is running on. I would like to change all
the lists and configuration for mailman  over to this new Host Name. I
don't want to setup a CNAME in DNS to keep the old Host Name accessible.

What steps are involved in accomplishing this task. I know you use  the
"withlist" with the command below.

python -i bin/withlist -l mylist
>>>m.web_page_url  'http://newname.com'
>>>m.Save()
>>>^D




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From timhunt at timhunt.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Apr 22 19:55:39 2002
From: timhunt at timhunt.freeserve.co.uk (Tim Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:55:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy issues with the mailman options page.
Message-ID: <MHENIADECBDLADMJNEPAEEGMCIAA.timhunt@timhunt.freeserve.co.uk>

Given someone's email address, say test at add.ress, I can discover whether
they are subscribed to this list by visiting:

<http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/test%40add.ress>

If they are, I could then mail bomb them in a fairly untraceable way by
clicking on the "Mail My Password To Me" button a lot.

This is not a very big deal, and I am sure that I am not the first to think
of it, but I could not find a discussion of it anywhere (e.g. by doing a
Google search of the list archive.) If this is discussed somewhere, I would
be most grateful for a pointer.

As far as I can see there is no easy way round this. Is there an option I
can set as list manager that I have overlooked?

I suppose that one solution to the "Mail My Password To Me" button problem
would be to send out at most one message per hour in response to click on
that button, or something like that.

Tim.






From jarrell at vt.edu  Mon Apr 22 20:07:58 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:07:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error 126
In-Reply-To: <001601c1e9de$a78f9160$800ba8c0@ctews01>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203018.00a5ccd0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422140539.06400120@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:18 AM 4/22/02 +0200, you wrote:

>But the strange thing is I think, that de installation procedure didn't
>build the wrapper file at all.
>Some-one from this list send me this file, but that didn't help.

Ok, what version of mailman are you running?  As I said in my message,
if you're running 2.1+ *there is no program called wrapper*.  If the install
didn't build it, then getting it from someone else is the wrong solution, either
your source tree is horrible corrupted at this point, or you're using the install
instructions for the wrong version!


>I did however change the error to this....?
>
>------snip------
>
>  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>    (reason: service unavailable)
>    (expanded from: <test-request at testserver.nl>)

Sendmail's smrsh either isnt' configured to use wrapper, or wrapper isn't there,
or isn't runnable.  





From gould at cis.ohio-state.edu  Mon Apr 22 20:36:11 2002
From: gould at cis.ohio-state.edu (Joshua Gould)
Date: 22 Apr 2002 14:36:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost messages gated to news?
Message-ID: <vakg01ny410.fsf@darkstar.cis.ohio-state.edu>

Our news server had a disk that became full and the news server
throttled itself during this weekend. We use mailman to gate a few
mailings to news groups.

I've looked around, but it appears that messages gated to the news
server when it was throttled have been lost?? I've looked in the qdirs
and they are empty.

Mailman's logs seem contradictory.

from ~mailman/logs/error

Apr 22 10:22:02 2002 (14222) (ToUsenet) NNTP error for list "foo-list": 400 No space left on device writing article file -- throttling
Apr 22 10:22:02 2002 (14222) (ToUsenet) Message-ID: <mailman.1019485322.14222.cis655 at foo.com>

but at the same time ~mailman/logs/post states:

Apr 22 10:22:03 2002 (14217) post to foo-list from foo at cis.ohio-state.edu, size=566, success

I'm guessing that the gated messages have been lost, but why does one
log file note a success and the other a failure?


  Joshua




From jarrell at vt.edu  Mon Apr 22 20:10:23 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:10:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
In-Reply-To: <002101c1e9df$8d691ee0$800ba8c0@ctews01>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203352.00a6d980@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422140833.064076c0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:24 AM 4/22/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:

>Hi again,
>
>I am using 2.09 BTW....
>
>I re-installed the whole program several times, starting with MAKE CLEAN
>then removing the directory.
>So really from scratch....?

Did you also delete everything under /home/mailman?

What are you feeding as arguments to configure?  Honestly, the error messages
your getting indicate fundamental issues with the way your copy of mailman got configured
and installed; for 99.9% of the world, you do a configure, make, and a make install, and
you're ready.  Unless you don't give configure the right arguments, or it guesses wrong,
and you don't notice.





From gould at cis.ohio-state.edu  Mon Apr 22 20:41:54 2002
From: gould at cis.ohio-state.edu (Joshua Gould)
Date: 22 Apr 2002 14:41:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems
Message-ID: <vakadrvy3rh.fsf@darkstar.cis.ohio-state.edu>

For one list in particular, I am not able to change the password. I am
able to log in with the site password, and when I change the password
it reports a success, but it still reports authentication failure when
I try to use the new password.

I have tried this from numerous browsers, cleared all cookies and
cache, checked for lock files and even ran the check_db utility on the
list's database as well as check_perms.

I am running Mailman 2.0.10 and am stumped.


  Joshua Gould




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr 22 21:00:45 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:00:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py 
In-Reply-To: Message from O-Zone <o-zone@tdsiena.it> 
   of "Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:00:16 +0200." <20020422140018.5750A4E8D1@shining.o-zone.ath.cx> 
References: <20020422140018.5750A4E8D1@shining.o-zone.ath.cx> 
Message-ID: <11666.1019502045@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:00:16 +0200 
o-zone  <o-zone at tdsiena.it> wrote:

> Hi all, when i modify a file (mm_cfg.py) how i can do "effectively"
> changes to Mailman ? I need to recompile o something similar ?

You don't need to do anything.  It will be picked up automatically.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon Apr 22 21:03:08 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:03:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems
References: <vakadrvy3rh.fsf@darkstar.cis.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <3CC45E6C.D607335D@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Joshua Gould wrote:
> 
> For one list in particular, I am not able to change the password. I am
> able to log in with the site password, and when I change the password
> it reports a success, but it still reports authentication failure when
> I try to use the new password.
> 
> I have tried this from numerous browsers, cleared all cookies and
> cache, checked for lock files and even ran the check_db utility on the
> list's database as well as check_perms.
> 
> I am running Mailman 2.0.10 and am stumped.

you know the old password ? i think you have to enter it to change
it - not sure whether the site passwd will do for that - anyone ?
just a guess, but were you using any funky characters ?
or maybe it's the dreaded caps lock key ?
did you check in an xterm that all letters of the password are what
you want them to be ?


--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From admin at artfix.com  Sun Apr 21 02:00:06 2002
From: admin at artfix.com (Marc Ash)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:00:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Question
Message-ID: <p05100312b8e7b0ba8cc8@[63.194.22.239]>

Does Mailman generate unique remove links in the message for one click un-subs by the recipient?

Marc Ash
admin at artfix.com
-- 




From jan at stap.mdcc.cx  Sun Apr 21 22:44:09 2002
From: jan at stap.mdcc.cx (Jan Stap)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:44:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List creation role per virtual domain?
Message-ID: <20020421204409.GC12671@james.stap.mdcc.cx>

Hello,

I am setting up Mailman 2.1b1 at a server, where each user gets an 
account and a subdomain of the server domain. So, suppose the server 
is called server.domain.com, a user joe gets an account "joe" and is 
assigned the domain joe.domain.com. Joe has a home page 
http://joe.domain.com and may send and receive mail on 
<aliases of choice>@joe.domain.com. 

Further, Joe may create and maintain one or more mailing lists at 
joe.domain.com. Ideally, joe should enter his account password at the 
list creation web page, in order to be able to create a list.
 
With the multi-domain functionality of Mailman 2.1b1, a user may 
moderate his lists and change the lists configurations. List creation 
is however a central role, so each user has to ask the server admin 
to create a list for him, which does not scale very much. Am I 
overlooking a feature, or should I create a wrapper script around 
the create CGI script and adjust the list creation web page to get 
the desired result?
 
Thanks very much.
 
Cheers,
 
Jan Stap




From graham at albionsoft.com  Mon Apr 22 14:52:07 2002
From: graham at albionsoft.com (Graham Robinson)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:52:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple message types within a single list?
In-Reply-To: <002101c1e9df$8d691ee0$800ba8c0@ctews01>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203352.00a6d980@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422133432.02e305b0@riff.albionsoft.com>


Hi,

I'm looking for some advice. The scenario is that a client wants me to set 
up a mailing list (or several...) that they can use to keep in touch with 
subscribers to their services. They operate three different levels of 
service, and want to be able to send information specific to each level to 
only those individuals. They also want to be able to send some e-mails to 
everyone, but to allow people to choose which types of message they will or 
won't receive.

Now, I realise I could set this up with some combination of umbrella lists, 
but I can't see how to manage it without having the end users subscribed to 
several different lists, depending on their desires. Is there a better way? 
Any advice much appreciated.

-- 
Graham Robinson
graham at albionsoft.com

Albion Software Engineering Ltd.





From office at uuottawa.com  Mon Apr 22 15:00:05 2002
From: office at uuottawa.com (First Unitarian Congregation of Ottawa)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:00:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <006901c1e9fd$a73ee840$6501a8c0@suezyn>

I need help with having to approve all the conversations due to 'an implicit destination' message.  I thought that the responses to questions could be immediate if everyone or one person were(was) on-line.  Could you please help me with this or at least direct me to the person who could help?

Thanks,
Sue-zyn Kronick, Administrative Secretary
First Unitarian Congregation of Ottawa
office at uuottawa.com

Web: http://www.uuottawa.com

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From sgibson at reachone.com  Mon Apr 22 15:25:04 2002
From: sgibson at reachone.com (Susie Gibson)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:25:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not gettin to the list
Message-ID: <00ba01c1ea01$1da1e2a0$bcfde1cf@susiegibson>

I am not getting the mail out to the list today- so far 2 messages for the
jewelry group, and 5 for the crafty christian group-
the archives do not show these messages as recieved at all. my settings seem
fine- is the server temporarily down???
I am getting email on the same addresses so it is not the web server....
any help is appreciated,smiles, and thanks susie g
Susie Gibson
sgibson at silverringartjewelry.com
http://www.silverringartjewelry.com
***********
The Crafty Christian Newslist
craftymom at silverringartjewelry.com
---------------
Susie G Jewelry Newslist
jewelrymom at silverringartjewelry.com
---------------------
join info
http://www.silverringartjewelry.com/groups.htm
***********************
Have a Blessed  day!!!
***********************


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From tyler at beloit.edu  Mon Apr 22 17:06:57 2002
From: tyler at beloit.edu (Tim Tyler)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Associating name with email address?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422100423.02edacc0@beloit.edu>

Mailman experts,
    One of the owners of a list inquired as to whether it was possible to 
associate a full name with a subscribers email address.  It wasn't obvious 
to me that this was possible.  If it is, how does one associate a full name 
with their subscribed email address?
   Please cc:


Tim Tyler
Network Engineer - Beloit College
tyler at beloit.edu





From charles.kless at exlibrisgroup.com  Mon Apr 22 20:07:07 2002
From: charles.kless at exlibrisgroup.com (Charles Kless)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:07:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to export a list and recreate it.
Message-ID: <26DF89543097D5119DED00D0B7A9361ACB946E@USMAIL01.exlibris-usa.com>

Hello All,

I have never used mailman before, our technician responsible for this
application is away all week.
I believe we have a problem with a few of our lists that will require
exporting the data from the list. 
deleting the list and then recreating it and importing the data back.

How do you do this. I do not know the commands to perform this task?

Thanks

Charles Kless





From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Apr 23 00:07:39 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:07:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Question
In-Reply-To: <p05100312b8e7b0ba8cc8@[63.194.22.239]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422180545.064495c0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 05:00 PM 4/20/02 -0700, Marc Ash wrote:
>Does Mailman generate unique remove links in the message for one click un-subs by the recipient?

Look up at the header :-)

You'll see a:

>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, 
><mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe> 

Since by default mailman attempts to bulk mail you can't get a personalized
link in there *for just that subscriber*, but as long as he's getting mail where he's
subscribed from, the mailto link will work, otherwise they can follow the listinfo link.

If you switch to personalized email (which sends out a *different* email message to
each subscriber, that can have it's contents monkeyed with) you could build custom
links for them, but at the cost of having X seperate notes.





From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Apr 23 00:10:04 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:10:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <006901c1e9fd$a73ee840$6501a8c0@suezyn>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422180831.0644b220@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 09:00 AM 4/22/02 -0400, First Unitarian Congregation of Ottawa wrote:
>I need help with having to approve all the conversations due to 'an implicit destination' message.  I thought that the responses to questions could be immediate if everyone or one person were(was) on-line.  Could you please help me with this or at least direct me to the person who could help?

Who's "on line" has nothing to do with the list.  The list in question has the default setting turned
on that says that the list actually has to be in the header of the note.  I.e. you actually have to
send "to" the list, or "cc" the list.  If you "bcc" a list like that, it gets the note, sees it isn't listed
as a recipient, and decides the note is probably spam, requiring the list owner to approve the note.





From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Apr 23 00:08:23 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:08:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Associating name with email address?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422100423.02edacc0@beloit.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422180810.064488e0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 10:06 AM 4/22/02 -0500, Tim Tyler wrote:
>Mailman experts,
>   One of the owners of a list inquired as to whether it was possible to associate a full name with a subscribers email address.  It wasn't obvious to me that this was possible.  If it is, how does one associate a full name with their subscribed email address?

2.1





From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Apr 23 00:04:58 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:04:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple message types within a single
  list?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422133432.02e305b0@riff.albionsoft.com>
References: <002101c1e9df$8d691ee0$800ba8c0@ctews01>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203352.00a6d980@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422180444.0644c590@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 01:52 PM 4/22/02 +0100, Graham Robinson wrote:


>Hi,
>
>I'm looking for some advice. The scenario is that a client wants me to set up a mailing list (or several...) that they can use to keep in touch with subscribers to their services. They operate three different levels of service, and want to be able to send information specific to each level to only those individuals. They also want to be able to send some e-mails to everyone, but to allow people to choose which types of message they will or won't receive.
>
>Now, I realise I could set this up with some combination of umbrella lists, but I can't see how to manage it without having the end users subscribed to several different lists, depending on their desires. Is there a better way? Any advice much appreciated.

2.1 topic filters?





From anna at water.ca.gov  Tue Apr 23 00:26:34 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Fong, Anna)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:26:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to export a list and recreate it.
Message-ID: <E4DB956556B44246B45B98347EC68ECE0A8402@JOCEX1.ad.water.ca.gov>

Before you take such drastic measure, perhaps you can describe your problem in more detail and someone can give you a more specific fix.



--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	mailman-users-admin at python.org [SMTP:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Charles Kless
> Sent:	Monday, April 22, 2002 11:07 AM
> To:	'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] How to export a list and recreate it.
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have never used mailman before, our technician responsible for this
> application is away all week.
> I believe we have a problem with a few of our lists that will require
> exporting the data from the list. 
> deleting the list and then recreating it and importing the data back.
> 
> How do you do this. I do not know the commands to perform this task?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Charles Kless
> 
> 
> 




From ianpurdie at integritynet.com.au  Tue Apr 23 01:12:59 2002
From: ianpurdie at integritynet.com.au (Ian C. Purdie)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:12:59 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List creation role per virtual domain?
References: <20020421204409.GC12671@james.stap.mdcc.cx>
Message-ID: <3CC498FB.331F3E05@integritynet.com.au>

Jan Stap wrote:

> With the multi-domain functionality of Mailman 2.1b1, a user may
> moderate his lists and change the lists configurations. List creation
> is however a central role, so each user has to ask the server admin
> to create a list for him, which does not scale very much.

Raises an interesting point. Is it feasible for an individual user have strip
mime where other users, as a preference, don't want it?

I've run into the problem where some of my recipients are have their email
blocked by employers because of this issue. Personally I come from the plain
text school of thought.

I don't own the server, but I have my own domain name and own IP and the usual
100 Meg..

Apparently Mailman is common to all users and I'm given to understand strip mime
would affect others who didn't want it.


Ian C. Purdie







From bwagner at potpie.org  Tue Apr 23 01:52:13 2002
From: bwagner at potpie.org (Bill Wagner)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to search archives?
Message-ID: localhost.localdomain

I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I didn't see anything about
it in the FAQ.  There's one used by the Columbia College in Chicago, but is
this a freely available add-on?

This is available at:

http://online.colum.edu/search-listserv.html

Or another which appears to be more mailman esque I've found at:

http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/search/linuxers/

I notice that the latter is running 2.0.10, but is this available in the
2.1 tree?
I'd really appreciate any info anyone might be able to provide.

Thanks in advance,

Bill
-- 
Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest, ugliest,
smelliest ape of them all!

                -- Homer Simpson
                   Lisa's Substitute







From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 23 08:45:06 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:45:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Question 
In-Reply-To: Message from Marc Ash <admin@artfix.com> 
   of "Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:00:06 PDT." <p05100312b8e7b0ba8cc8@[63.194.22.239]> 
References: <p05100312b8e7b0ba8cc8@[63.194.22.239]> 
Message-ID: <22172.1019544306@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:00:06 -0700 
Marc Ash <admin at artfix.com> wrote:

> Does Mailman generate unique remove links in the message for one click
> un-subs by the recipient?  Marc Ash admin at artfix.com

No.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in  Tue Apr 23 10:07:54 2002
From: franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in (Francis Jayakanth)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:37:54 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] looping mails
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204231301110.23883-100000@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>

Dear Member:

We are using mailman for about two years now. We are constantly upgrading
the mailman software as and when the updates are available. We are now
using mailman 2.09 on Redhat Linux 6.0 with sendmail.

Very often we encounter this problem of some posting, which gets into an
infinite loop. The same message will go on repeating indefinitely. We'll
then have to stop sendmail. Get into the qfiles dir. of mailman. Delete
all the qfiles and also delete the lock file from the the locks dir. If we
don't release the lock, the mails again start getting into the qfiles
area.

My question is this. Why does mailman behave in this manner all of
sudden. And how do i overcome this problem. Has anybody else encountered 
this problem. Once it so happened that just before leaving office I
approved couple of messages and then left for the day. The following
morning to my horror there were 400 odd messages to each of the
subscriber! 

Any leads to this problem will be greatly appreciated.

bye,

 - Francis

NCSI, IISc.,
Bangalore, India





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Apr 23 10:18:56 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:18:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to search archives?
In-Reply-To: localhost.localdomain
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423091815.03d759b0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 16:52 22/04/2002 -0700, Bill Wagner wrote:
>I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I didn't see anything about
>it in the FAQ.  There's one used by the Columbia College in Chicago, but is
>this a freely available add-on?
>
>This is available at:
>
>http://online.colum.edu/search-listserv.html
>
>Or another which appears to be more mailman esque I've found at:
>
>http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/search/linuxers/
>
>I notice that the latter is running 2.0.10, but is this available in the
>2.1 tree?
>I'd really appreciate any info anyone might be able to provide.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Bill
>--
>Did you hear that, Marge?  She called me a baboon!  The stupidest, ugliest,
>smelliest ape of them all!
>
>                 -- Homer Simpson
>                    Lisa's Substitute

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp





From support at antenna.nl  Tue Apr 23 14:49:37 2002
From: support at antenna.nl (Antenna Support)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:49:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman loops because of & in an address
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10204231442580.15727-100000@waal.occasio.net>

Dear people,

We just experienced a loop: a message was sent many times because it
wasn't deleted in the /home/mailman/qfiles directory
The error mailed was:

/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

sh: c.lovell at xtra.co.nz: command not found
c... User unknown

It appeared that there was an address added to the list:
m&c.lovell at xtra.co.nz

The loop could only be stopped by removing the .msg and .db file in the
qfiles directory. I also removed this address from the subscribers.

Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening again?

We run mailman 2.0.6 on Redhat Linux and it seems on first sight an error
in the combination python/mailman.

Thanks for bothering,


Tsjebbe de Vries
Antenna Foundation
The Netherlands








From gould at cis.ohio-state.edu  Tue Apr 23 16:30:52 2002
From: gould at cis.ohio-state.edu (Joshua Gould)
Date: 23 Apr 2002 10:30:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems (contd.)
Message-ID: <vakofgawkpv.fsf@darkstar.cis.ohio-state.edu>

>For one list in particular, I am not able to change the password. I am
>able to log in with the site password, and when I change the password
>it reports a success, but it still reports authentication failure when
>I try to use the new password.

>I have tried this from numerous browsers, cleared all cookies and
>cache, checked for lock files and even ran the check_db utility on the
>list's database as well as check_perms.

>I am running Mailman 2.0.10 and am stumped.

I was able to get an error message which should help to fix the
problem. It stated:

"Error decoding authorization cookie"

What do I look at?

I got this message when visiting and before I even entered a password!

http://mailman.foo.com/mailman/admin/newlist


  Joshua




From geinitz at novalis-media.de  Tue Apr 23 16:36:03 2002
From: geinitz at novalis-media.de (Juergen Geinitz)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:36:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with LARGE mailing list
References: <3CBEB997.191E3B1C@novalis-media.de> <039401c1e727$48e802f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <3CC57153.5E190782@novalis-media.de>

Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> Wow, what a cool problem...  I think that v 2.1 (once it is out of beta) is
> for you.
  ...
> 
> Here is an obscure thought - what if you actually set aside some memory for
> a ram drive - say about 64 Mb and then backed up the directory
> ~mailman/lists/<listname>/.. to the RAM drive, then moved the physical
> mapping of that directory and mapped the RAM drive there.
> 

Brilliant idea!! I tried that and it works fine. A new subscribe process
now only needs 1/3 of time inside the system and therefore apache has
almost no need to queue them up. I think that will fill the gap 'til 2.1

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your "obscure thought"

Juergen
-- 
novalis media
  Ein Bereich der Vereinigte Verlagsanstalten GmbH -
    http://www.vva.de
    http://www.novalis-media.de
Geschaeftsfuehrer Stefan Meutsch HRB 658 Duesseldorf




From ckolar at imsa.edu  Tue Apr 23 16:45:08 2002
From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:45:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin through email
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423093441.03dd6a80@staffmail.imsa.edu>

Hi all.  I know that you can do basic (sub/unsub) activities on a list that 
you manage through email.  Through  quick glance I did not turn up a list 
of admin activities that can be gated through mail.  In particular I am 
wondering about pulling a list of list members (including hidden 
members).  Cheers,

--chris



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From mbowman at udcom.com  Tue Apr 23 17:29:13 2002
From: mbowman at udcom.com (mbowman at udcom.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Majordomo - Cobalt RaQ XTR
Message-ID: <OF36A0BB45.8BD780C1-ON85256BA4.005451A9@udcomm.net>

Hi All,

I  work for an ISP who have a number of Cobalt RaQ Servers

Cobalt RaQ3
Cobalt Miva RaQ
Cobalt RaQXTR

Each by default come with majordomo (sigh).

Judging by the comments I have observed that  mailman is far more better
than majordomo.  However I have learned that mailman is not supported on
all Cobalt platforms? is that correct?*

Our Cobalt RaQXTR servers are running

sendmail-8.10.2-C1
python-1.5.2-13 (We need Python 2.1 or later)
perl 5.005_03
gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)

* Has anyone been able to successfully migrate from majordomo to mailman on
all of the Cobalt platforms ?
Can someone provide Installation/Configuration instructions necessary for
the Cobalt OS ?


Regards,

Matthew K Bowman,
Systems Administrator.






From E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL  Tue Apr 23 17:59:29 2002
From: E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL (E.J.L. Kemper)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:59:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203352.00a6d980@lennier.cc.vt.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020422140833.064076c0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <004101c1eadf$d9b21da0$800ba8c0@ctews01>

Ok, you got a point there!

So I reinstalled it again.

./configure   no errors.

but make install, after a very close look gave this...
----snip-----

make[1]: Entering directory `/unpack/mailman-2.0.9/src'
gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python\"" -DHEL
PFUL
 -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HE
ADER
S=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   ./common.c
In file included from /usr/include/errno.h:36,
                 from common.h:27,
                 from ./common.c:20:
/usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/unpack/mailman-2.0.9/src'

-----snip------

so could there be a problem there?????



PS: /usr/include/bits/errno.h:   exists...??

regards

Erik


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu>
To: "E.J.L. Kemper" <E.J.L.Kemper at CyberTech.NL>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrapper


> At 11:24 AM 4/22/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:
>
> >Hi again,
> >
> >I am using 2.09 BTW....
> >
> >I re-installed the whole program several times, starting with MAKE CLEAN
> >then removing the directory.
> >So really from scratch....?
>
> Did you also delete everything under /home/mailman?
>
> What are you feeding as arguments to configure?  Honestly, the error
messages
> your getting indicate fundamental issues with the way your copy of mailman
got configured
> and installed; for 99.9% of the world, you do a configure, make, and a
make install, and
> you're ready.  Unless you don't give configure the right arguments, or it
guesses wrong,
> and you don't notice.





From jonc at haht.com  Tue Apr 23 19:11:20 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:11:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Majordomo - Cobalt RaQ XTR
References: <OF36A0BB45.8BD780C1-ON85256BA4.005451A9@udcomm.net>
Message-ID: <09bb01c1eae9$e36f8260$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Chris Hedemark wrote up a nice HowTo for installing Mailman on a Cobalt RaQ.
You would profit immensly by reading it first.  The install is not a pretty
thing.

You should be able to find his notes in the Archives or failing that, email
him directly.  He's a really nice guy.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mbowman at udcom.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Majordomo - Cobalt RaQ XTR


> Hi All,
>
> I  work for an ISP who have a number of Cobalt RaQ Servers
>
> Cobalt RaQ3
> Cobalt Miva RaQ
> Cobalt RaQXTR
>
> Each by default come with majordomo (sigh).
>
> Judging by the comments I have observed that  mailman is far more better
> than majordomo.  However I have learned that mailman is not supported on
> all Cobalt platforms? is that correct?*
>
> Our Cobalt RaQXTR servers are running
>
> sendmail-8.10.2-C1
> python-1.5.2-13 (We need Python 2.1 or later)
> perl 5.005_03
> gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)
>
> * Has anyone been able to successfully migrate from majordomo to mailman
on
> all of the Cobalt platforms ?
> Can someone provide Installation/Configuration instructions necessary for
> the Cobalt OS ?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthew K Bowman,
> Systems Administrator.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From larry at gadallah.com  Tue Apr 23 20:15:00 2002
From: larry at gadallah.com (Larry Gadallah)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: looping mails
In-Reply-To: <20020423160004.7724.96731.Mailman@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:00:04PM -0400
References: <20020423160004.7724.96731.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020423111500.A15966@dyson.gadallah.com>

FWIW - I just experienced the same symptoms running 2.1b1. _VERY_ embarassing,
especially after telling everyone how Mailman would be so much more fun than
Majordomo.

> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:37:54 +0530 (IST)
> From: Francis Jayakanth <franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] looping mails
> Precedence: bulk
> List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
> List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
> List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> 	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
> List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> 	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
> 
> Dear Member:
> 
> We are using mailman for about two years now. We are constantly upgrading
> the mailman software as and when the updates are available. We are now
> using mailman 2.09 on Redhat Linux 6.0 with sendmail.
> 
> Very often we encounter this problem of some posting, which gets into an
> infinite loop. The same message will go on repeating indefinitely. We'll
> then have to stop sendmail. Get into the qfiles dir. of mailman. Delete
> all the qfiles and also delete the lock file from the the locks dir. If we
> don't release the lock, the mails again start getting into the qfiles
> area.
> 
> My question is this. Why does mailman behave in this manner all of
> sudden. And how do i overcome this problem. Has anybody else encountered 
> this problem. Once it so happened that just before leaving office I
> approved couple of messages and then left for the day. The following
> morning to my horror there were 400 odd messages to each of the
> subscriber! 
> 
> Any leads to this problem will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> bye,
> 
>  - Francis
> 
> NCSI, IISc.,
> Bangalore, India
> 
> 
> 

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From larry at gadallah.com  Tue Apr 23 20:20:27 2002
From: larry at gadallah.com (Larry Gadallah)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:20:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman loops because of & in an address
In-Reply-To: <20020423160004.7724.96731.Mailman@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:00:04PM -0400
References: <20020423160004.7724.96731.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020423112027.A16021@dyson.gadallah.com>

I'm running 2.1b1 and Python 2.2 on FreeBSD 4.5. I had the same problem on a
list with no addresses containing '&' or any other odd characters. I remain
baffled.

Cheers,

> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:49:37 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Antenna Support <support at antenna.nl>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman loops because of & in an address
> Precedence: bulk
> List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
> List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
> List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> 	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
> List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> 	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
> 
> Dear people,
> 
> We just experienced a loop: a message was sent many times because it
> wasn't deleted in the /home/mailman/qfiles directory
> The error mailed was:
> 
> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> 
> sh: c.lovell at xtra.co.nz: command not found
> c... User unknown
> 
> It appeared that there was an address added to the list:
> m&c.lovell at xtra.co.nz
> 
> The loop could only be stopped by removing the .msg and .db file in the
> qfiles directory. I also removed this address from the subscribers.
> 
> Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening again?
> 
> We run mailman 2.0.6 on Redhat Linux and it seems on first sight an error
> in the combination python/mailman.
> 
> Thanks for bothering,
> 
> 
> Tsjebbe de Vries
> Antenna Foundation
> The Netherlands
> 
> 

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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 23 20:26:56 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:26:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Majordomo - Cobalt RaQ XTR 
In-Reply-To: Message from mbowman@udcom.com 
   of "Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:29:13 EDT." <OF36A0BB45.8BD780C1-ON85256BA4.005451A9@udcomm.net> 
References: <OF36A0BB45.8BD780C1-ON85256BA4.005451A9@udcomm.net> 
Message-ID: <32225.1019586416@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:29:13 -0400 
mbowman  <mbowman at udcom.com> wrote:

> However I have learned that mailman is not supported on all Cobalt
> platforms? is that correct?*

That is correct (I work for Cobalt).

> * Has anyone been able to successfully migrate from majordomo to
> mailman on all of the Cobalt platforms ?  

Yes.  Note that doing so voids the support contract with Cobalt.

> Can someone provide Installation/Configuration instructions necessary
> for the Cobalt OS ?

Its basically a lightly modified RedHat box (fairly heavily hacked
kernel).  The version of RH will depend on the individual box (and I
don't remember either).  Simplest route is to check for updates on the
Cobalt FTP site for any of the bits, and if not present, build from raw
sources locally.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 23 21:04:32 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] size of log files
Message-ID: <20020423190432.28614.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Using Linus RH7.2/Mailman 2.0.8.

What is the best way to deal with log files that have
become large, the bounce file in particular is huge. 

If I rename it will mailman notice it is missing and
recreate automatically or do I need to create an empty
file. 

Some advise would be appreciated on best practices for
keeping these file sizes under control.

Thanks,
Moshe






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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 23 21:15:20 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:15:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] size of log files 
In-Reply-To: Message from Mark Moshe Kaye <jotd2k@yahoo.com> 
   of "Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:04:32 PDT." <20020423190432.28614.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20020423190432.28614.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <990.1019589320@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT) 
Mark Moshe Kaye <jotd2k at yahoo.com> wrote:

> What is the best way to deal with log files that have become large,
> the bounce file in particular is huge.

logrotate package.

> If I rename it will mailman notice it is missing and recreate
> automatically or do I need to create an empty file.

It will recreate.

> Some advise would be appreciated on best practices for keeping these
> file sizes under control.

The logrotate conf I use:

/var/log/mailman/bounce {
        weekly
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 4
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/digest {
        monthly
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 4
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/error {
        weekly
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 4
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/post {
        monthly
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 12
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure {
        daily
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 7
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/smtp {
        daily
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 7
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/locks {
        daily
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 7
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/fromusenet {
        daily
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 7
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/qrunner {
        daily
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 7
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/subscribe {
        monthly
        missingok
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 12
        compress
        delaycompress
}

/var/log/mailman/vette {
        weekly
        create 0664 list list
        rotate 4
        compress
        delaycompress
}


-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Apr 23 21:58:17 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:58:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] size of log files 
References: <20020423190432.28614.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com>  <990.1019589320@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <0a4001c1eb01$35d1ef90$0b04010a@JCARNES>

----- Original Message -----
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
To: "Mark Moshe Kaye" <jotd2k at yahoo.com>
Cc: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] size of log files


> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
> Mark Moshe Kaye <jotd2k at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What is the best way to deal with log files that have become large,
> > the bounce file in particular is huge.
>
> logrotate package.

yes, and rotate them at least once a month.  I have summaries sent to me
every week of some of them.

>
> > If I rename it will mailman notice it is missing and recreate
> > automatically or do I need to create an empty file.
>
> It will recreate.

Unless the programing has changed since 2.0.6 - Mailman *will not* recreate
them.  Logrotate will recreate them for you though, if you use that for
rotating and deleting old logs.

>
> > Some advise would be appreciated on best practices for keeping these
> > file sizes under control.
>

I rotate monthly, keep two past copies, and I run stats on the newly rotated
files on the first of the month to send out reports to the admins.





From valites at geneseo.edu  Tue Apr 23 23:18:41 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:18:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204231718250.8078-100000@helios.geneseo.edu>

Where do digested mes

>--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
585-245-5577
585-259-3471 (Cell)





From Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL  Tue Apr 23 23:40:58 2002
From: Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL (Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:40:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages getting rejected by Exchange relays running Webs
 hield
Message-ID: <6134D6233760B64586B40571833DA6A71FF7FE@dasmthfwa001.amedd.army.mil>

All, 
I have set up mailman running on Slackware 8.0 w/ the latest slackware
sendmail patches.  Some of the list subscribers are having mail addressed to
the list bounced by Exchange servers running Webshield SMTP V4.5 MR1a Mail
Service.
Additionally, when a message is sent from Mailman to a user that has to be
relayed through one of these servers, it times out with the log entry "input
channel closed by host".  If it relays through a different path, there are
no problems.

Sometimes the reject messages is simply "host not found" and sometime it is:

Network Associates WebShield SMTP V4.5 MR1a on arwshkhn42 intercepted a mail
from
<username at userdomain.com> which caused the Content Filter MyLife.F to be
triggered.

Even sending from a 'nix box will generate the above if it relays through
the server in question.


This seems to occur during a reply to a message.

The common denominator is Webshield, all other machines, including Exchange,
relay the message just fine.

Is this a problem with Mailman?  Have I configured Sendmail incorrectly?  Or
is this just a result of somebody incorrectly installing/configuring
Webshield?  Any suggestions would be welcome.

Eric B.
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From szahidi at epoor.org  Tue Apr 23 09:45:19 2002
From: szahidi at epoor.org (Shoaib Zahidi)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:45:19 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman with existing mailserver
Message-ID: <000801c1ea9a$d83d1730$0100a8c0@beeztech.local>

Hi,
I would like to use your mailman for my office site, and network. I currently have my local mail accounts hosted with my local ISP, who also hosts our domain and site. I have a window2k based proxy server which connects the clients and let them check their emails, now I want to have mail man for list management. Can u suggest what should I do? Should I get a linux machine and install mailman on it? Also to keep in mind my office has a dedicated dialup connection with the ISP and one static IP. I would really appreciate if I you can advise me howto use mailman with a dialup and static IP 

Thankx.  

Shoaib Zahidi
mailto: szahidi at epoor.org
Phone: 92-051-2201484, 2201558
Fax: 92-051-2274039
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From Mathias.Contraire at socgen.com  Tue Apr 23 10:34:34 2002
From: Mathias.Contraire at socgen.com (CONTRAIRE M DsigTcs)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:34:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in chroot environment
Message-ID: <iss.46e3.3cc51cb7.62834.1@feddefa.fr.socgen.com>

Hello,
 
I am trying to setup mailman in a chroot environment.
It doesn't work and I am wondering if it's possible at all.
 
Has anyone already done it ?
 
Thanks,
Mathias

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From w4wjj at worldnet.att.net  Tue Apr 23 15:35:53 2002
From: w4wjj at worldnet.att.net (EVERETT WORRELL, JR.)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Background on Menu
Message-ID: <000701c1eacb$cd0b1200$99975b0c@default>

The background color GREY prevents you from reading the information because
you are using
DARK Colors for the TEXT.
Please use a LIGHTER COLOR for the BACKGROUND.

Thank you,

Everett Worrell
w4wjj at worldnet.att.net
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From mbowman at udcom.com  Tue Apr 23 16:50:42 2002
From: mbowman at udcom.com (mbowman at udcom.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:50:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman vs Majordomo on Cobalt Platforms
Message-ID: <OF50BF54C5.67546247-ON85256BA4.00513EC3@udcomm.net>

Hi,


For the last year or so I have been involved in administering Sun Cobalt
RaQ 3, 4, Miva and XTR servers whom by defaut come with Majordomo.  I have
found that the Cobalt installation of Majordomo is poor. A number of people
who use Cobalt are suggesting that I look at Mailman as a list management
tool. Before I research any further I wondered if someone can answer the
following questions

1) Will Mailman work on Cobalt RaQs without too much configuration?
2) Does each list have its own config file like majordomo ?
3) How easy is it to setup digests in mailman

Thank you

Matthew Bowman
Systems Administrator





From millemo at centurytel.net  Wed Apr 24 06:29:25 2002
From: millemo at centurytel.net (Jamie)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin password
Message-ID: <00c101c1eb48$a2f32160$15d3ced1@pavilion>

Hi there - 

When we started our mailing list with our hostways domain (acefrehleyonline.com) we never recieved the admin password for the list.  I have been able to manage the list via logging on through sitecontrol and am not asked for a password this way but the co-owner of the site is not able to, once she gets to management options she is asked for a password we don't have.  Can you please resend our password for the mailing list mailto:rocksoldiers at lists.acefrehleyonline.com

Please send it to Parasite.lady at cox.net and millemo at centurytel.net.  Thank you.

Jamie Goralski
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From ernesto at infamia.com  Tue Apr 23 20:50:07 2002
From: ernesto at infamia.com (Ernesto Gluecksmann)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:50:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo.html, header & footer issue...
Message-ID: <000d01c1eaf7$b6323550$0501a8c0@Portable>


Hello folks,

Most of you are probably familiar how to use Server Side Includes on a website to propagate a header & a footer page for a website  This allows you to have to make one change to a file, and be assured that it is used ("propagated") throughout the rest of the website.

Well, what I can not understand how to adequately do, is how to implement this strategy whenever a user is sent to the list's listinfo.html.

There's plenty of references in the archives about how to change the headers for the email message that is sent to the user, and how to change the logos at the bottom of the page.

But these are only superficial changes as far it goes to providing a professional and consistent interface for users and administrators of Mailman list serves.

What do I need to do?

I know that adding an SSI directive in the listinfo.html template itself doesn't work.  And I can't figure out how MM-Mailman-Footer code works, as I was hoping I could hack a MM-Mailman-Header and insert my header files that way.

Some help would be 'preciated,
Ernesto Gluecksmann

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From gclark at ieminc.org  Tue Apr 23 22:09:25 2002
From: gclark at ieminc.org (Gary Clark)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:09:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <B8EB0D84.3C53%gclark@ieminc.org>

I have Mailman set up at our site, but it is not working. Can you recommend
someone who could assist me in getting it running. The problem is that it
just does not send the mail of a normal posting

Gary Clark
IEM. Inc.
Ph: 530.295.3566
fax:530.295.3583
cell:916.439.5238
Email: gclark at ieminc.org






From paul at rubinsoftware.com  Wed Apr 24 00:06:37 2002
From: paul at rubinsoftware.com (Paul Rubin)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:06:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering posts
Message-ID: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOCEIKEAAA.paul@rubinsoftware.com>

Is there any easy way to filter posts so that certain words can cause a post
to be sent to the administrator for approval, as if the list were moderated?


Paul.

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From paul at rubinsoftware.com  Wed Apr 24 00:14:50 2002
From: paul at rubinsoftware.com (Paul Rubin)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:14:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering posts
Message-ID: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOMEILEAAA.paul@rubinsoftware.com>

Is there any easy way to filter posts so that certain words can cause a post
to be sent to the administrator for approval, as if the list were moderated?


Paul.





From Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL  Wed Apr 24 00:25:44 2002
From: Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL (Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:25:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages getting rejected by Exchange
	 relays running Webs hield
Message-ID: <6134D6233760B64586B40571833DA6A71FF801@dasmthfwa001.amedd.army.mil>

Problem solved, the FQDN did not have an MX record associated with it.
Thanks
Eric B.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS
[mailto:Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:41 PM
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages getting rejected by Exchange
relays running Webs hield



All, 
I have set up mailman running on Slackware 8.0 w/ the latest slackware
sendmail patches.  Some of the list subscribers are having mail addressed to
the list bounced by Exchange servers running Webshield SMTP V4.5 MR1a Mail
Service.

Additionally, when a message is sent from Mailman to a user that has to be
relayed through one of these servers, it times out with the log entry "input
channel closed by host".  If it relays through a different path, there are
no problems.

Sometimes the reject messages is simply "host not found" and sometime it is:


Network Associates WebShield SMTP V4.5 MR1a on arwshkhn42 intercepted a mail
from 
<username at userdomain.com> which caused the Content Filter MyLife.F to be 
triggered. 

Even sending from a 'nix box will generate the above if it relays through
the server in question. 


This seems to occur during a reply to a message. 

The common denominator is Webshield, all other machines, including Exchange,
relay the message just fine. 

Is this a problem with Mailman?  Have I configured Sendmail incorrectly?  Or
is this just a result of somebody incorrectly installing/configuring
Webshield?  Any suggestions would be welcome.

Eric B. 

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From sitz at onastick.net  Wed Apr 24 00:32:00 2002
From: sitz at onastick.net (Noah)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:32:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1948 - 12 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20020423220511.8550.8536.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204231824270.13361-100000@stanis.onastick.net>

Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in chroot environment

> Hello,
>
> I am trying to setup mailman in a chroot environment.
> It doesn't work and I am wondering if it's possible at all.
>
> Has anyone already done it ?

I've done it, although it does get a little weird. My wrapper runs setgid
'mailman', and all dirs/files that get written to are owner/group
mailman/mailman (files mode 775, dirs mode 2775). The 'mailman' user will,
of course, have to be in /path/to/chroot/etc/passwd and (depending on how
you set up your jail), in /path/to/chroot/etc/group as well. python and
its associated libs will also need to be in the jail. If this has been
done and you are still experiencing problems (I wouldn't be much
surprised; it took me several hours to get everything working correctly),
more details will be needed (nature of problems, error messages, etc).

Noah "I should write up docs on this" Robin

Here we have a game that combines the charm of a Pentagon briefing
with the excitement of double-entry bookkeeping. I don't get it.
                                        -- Cecil Adams, on D&D





From mattb at zope.com  Wed Apr 24 03:59:28 2002
From: mattb at zope.com (Matt Burleigh)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:59:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin password
References: <00c101c1eb48$a2f32160$15d3ced1@pavilion>
Message-ID: <3CC61180.3080901@zope.com>

Jamie wrote:

> Hi there -
>
>  
>
> When we started our mailing list with our hostways domain 
> (acefrehleyonline.com) we never recieved the admin password for the 
> list.  I have been able to manage the list via logging on through 
> sitecontrol and am not asked for a password this way but the co-owner 
> of the site is not able to, once she gets to management options she is 
> asked for a password we don't have.  Can you please resend our 
> password for the mailing list 
> mailto:rocksoldiers at lists.acefrehleyonline.com
>
>  
>
> Please send it to Parasite.lady at cox.net <mailto:Parasite.lady at cox.net> 
> and millemo at centurytel.net <mailto:millemo at centurytel.net> .  Thank you.
>
>  
>
> Jamie Goralski
>
I think your barking up the wrong tree here. You need to talk to the 
person that setup your Mailman configuration. That person has the password.






From larry at gadallah.com  Wed Apr 24 04:48:08 2002
From: larry at gadallah.com (Larry Gadallah)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:48:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: looping mails
In-Reply-To: <20020423220511.8550.8536.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B5C637F1-572D-11D6-ABB2-00039347ACEC@gadallah.com>

It seems like this is a real bug in 2.1b1, discovered only a few days 
ago. Check out this URL: 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-
developers/2002-April/011589.html

I've grabbed the very latest from CVS, and the patch seems to be in it, 
but I haven't tried it yet to see if the fix works.

Cheers,
--
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33.06.00.612N 117.07.05.916W 210Z   http://www.gadallah.com/~larry
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From kwright at cs.berkeley.edu  Wed Apr 24 07:04:16 2002
From: kwright at cs.berkeley.edu (Kristin Wright)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:04:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts not showing up on new install
Message-ID: <008401c1eb4d$7c448900$8119fea9@192d001>

I have just installed 2.0.9 on linux 7.2. I can create lists, receive mail about creating the lists, and get confirmation messages in response to subscribing. Posts, however, are failing:
    - When I reply to the confirmation message sent to me as a new user, I still don't show up in the 
      list of users 
    - When I post to the list, no post shows up. 

Here's a summary of what I have done (basically followed the INSTALL instructions + configured sendmail.cf
so I could at least send mail):
    - check_perms reports all ok
    - configured the web server (seems to get access scripts/icons okay -- can't tell yet about archives)
    - did the 'crontab crontab.in' in /home/mailman 
    - added appropriate aliases (from output of newlist) to /etc/aliases; ran newaliases
    - put a feature into sendmail.cf hoping that I could at least send mail (maybe I did this wrong -- whatever
        i did did clear out the qfiles dir and stopped the errors from being logged, htough)

Thanks. 

-kw

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From jonas at freesources.org  Wed Apr 24 10:44:50 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:44:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtualhost-depended listinfo/admin -lists
Message-ID: <20020424084450.GB1041@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

At the admin-interface of a list I can give a default hostname (which can
differ from the one in mm_cfg.py). But how can I configure mailman that when
I go to list.host1.com only the lists for this hostname are shown and at
lists.host2.com only the ones for lists.host2.com? Per default every list
expect of the hidden ones are listed.
lists.host2.com and list.host1.com are both virtualhosts for the same server,
and are managed by the same mailman.

Bye 
 Jonas

-- 
My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?




From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Wed Apr 24 14:15:28 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:15:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo.html, header & footer issue...
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317012EBC0F@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

To change the footer or logo area  in listinfo, you need to look at
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py

There is a call there towards the bottom  doc.AddItem(MailmanLogo()) this
goes to
/var/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py also toward the bottom is the MailmanLogo


Read though it and you will see how the footer is built. 

Ed Rantanen

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Ernesto Gluecksmann [SMTP:ernesto at infamia.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:50 PM
> To:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] listinfo.html, header & footer issue...
> 
>  
> Hello folks,
>  
> Most of you are probably familiar how to use Server Side Includes on a
> website to propagate a header & a footer page for a website  This allows
> you to have to make one change to a file, and be assured that it is used
> ("propagated") throughout the rest of the website.
>  
> Well, what I can not understand how to adequately do, is how to implement
> this strategy whenever a user is sent to the list's listinfo.html.
>  
> There's plenty of references in the archives about how to change the
> headers for the email message that is sent to the user, and how to change
> the logos at the bottom of the page.
>  
> But these are only superficial changes as far it goes to providing a
> professional and consistent interface for users and administrators of
> Mailman list serves.
>  
> What do I need to do?
>  
> I know that adding an SSI directive in the listinfo.html template itself
> doesn't work.  And I can't figure out how MM-Mailman-Footer code works, as
> I was hoping I could hack a MM-Mailman-Header and insert my header files
> that way.
>  
> Some help would be 'preciated,
> Ernesto Gluecksmann
>  




From wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk  Wed Apr 24 16:40:28 2002
From: wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:40:28 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* messages in mail header
Message-ID: <3CC6C3DC.8080207@cityu.edu.hk>

Hi all,

I remember some of you guys said that the "List-subscribe", 
"List-unsubscribe" message in the mail header is able to remove in 
Mailman 2.1 Beta, but I couldn't found where to set this up, even I look 
around the list admin page for some many times. Can anyone tell me a 
little bit more about this?

Regards,
Lewis





From linux at mostert.nom.za  Wed Apr 24 18:41:29 2002
From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:41:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface
Message-ID: <010e01c1ebae$e29b25e0$48db19c4@corp.lantic.net>

Hi all
I just installed and my test list is working fine.

I just cannot seem to get my web interface to work.I searched the archives and found what I thought to be theanswer to my problem.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-January/017179.html

But to no avail
If I go to the test url all I get is the apache test page what is the right document root to specify and more importantly what must be in it ??
I use the default install of red-hat 7.2
Something here is eluding me and it is positively driving me nuts :-)
Anything even just a kick to the right readme will be appreciated

Tnx
Mozzi
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 the important bits are


# DocumentRoot: The directory out of which you will serve your
# documents. By default, all requests are taken from this directory, but
# symbolic links and aliases may be used to point to other locations.
#
DocumentRoot "/var/www/html"    

#
    # ScriptAlias: This controls which directories contain server scripts.
    # ScriptAliases are essentially the same as Aliases, except that
    # documents in the realname directory are treated as applications and
    # run by the server when requested rather than as documents sent to the client.
    # The same rules about trailing "/" apply to ScriptAlias directives as to
    # Alias.
    #
    ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/  "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

#
    # "/var/www/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased
    # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured.
    #
    <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin">
        AllowOverride None
        Options None
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
    </Directory>

    #
    # Note that if you include a trailing / on fakename then the server will
    # require it to be present in the URL.  So "/icons" isn't aliased in this
    # example, only "/icons/".  If the fakename is slash-terminated, then the
    # realname must also be slash terminated, and if the fakename omits the
    # trailing slash, the realname must also omit it.
    #
    Alias /icons/ "/home/mailman/icons/"
 
    <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/">
        Options ExecCGI
    </Directory>
    
    <Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public/">
        Options FollowSymLinks
        AllowOverride None
   </Directory>
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From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 24 18:54:36 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:54:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py-unable to update Defaults.py
Message-ID: <20020424165436.65979.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com>

I am running Mailman ver 2.0.10 version of Solaris
2.7.
I have made changes in mm_cfg.py (GZIP Set to 1
message size to 5000KB etc - Did copy and paste of the
entries in Default.py, now the changes are made more
than 2 days ago, and it has not yet appeared/modified
in the Defaults file. Pls help, is there any command
to update the Defaults.py file....

Thanks in advance
regs
Sunny

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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Apr 24 19:29:31 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:29:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm_cfg.py-unable to update Defaults.py 
In-Reply-To: Message from sunny <hellozappy2k@yahoo.com> 
   of "Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:54:36 PDT." <20020424165436.65979.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20020424165436.65979.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20228.1019669371@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:54:36 -0700 (PDT) 
hellozappy2k  <sunny> wrote:

> I am running Mailman ver 2.0.10 version of Solaris
> 2.7.
> I have made changes in mm_cfg.py (GZIP Set to 1 message size to 5000KB
> etc - Did copy and paste of the entries in Default.py, now the changes
> are made more than 2 days ago, and it has not yet appeared/modified in
> the Defaults file. Pls help, is there any command to update the
> Defaults.py file....

You don't need to.  Values et in mm_cfg.py overlay values in
Defaults.py.  

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
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From Thias at BaerenHor.de  Wed Apr 24 19:48:59 2002
From: Thias at BaerenHor.de (Bitterlich, Matthias R.H.)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:48:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't access pipermail
Message-ID: <3CC6F00B.3060506@BaerenHor.de>

I'm learning to operate Mailman 2.0.9.
I played a bit with public and private archives, where private archives 
work fine.
But my public ones won't.
The http://localhost/pipermail/ directory is aliased to the proper 
directory but there are only symolic links to the files and dirs in the 
private directory.
As I figured out the private dir is only accessable for the mailman user 
so the Apache can't read the files there.

So what's wrong and how to solve?

Best regards, M.Bitterlich





From mlecza at newnetco.com  Wed Apr 24 21:11:57 2002
From: mlecza at newnetco.com (Mike Lecza)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:11:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonarc and Private Archive Authentication
Message-ID: <018a01c1ebc3$e7a317e0$2f01010a@lexlaptop>

I follow the same procedure a Guiseppe in this note:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg09107.html
 
and cannot get the Private Authentication working as he describes?  Has
anyone else gotten this working?
 
The only thing that I have different is the location of my archives so I
have:
 
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR='/var/mhonarc/archives'
 
I am not getting the Auth page when I hit the archives.
 
Any help is appreciated.
 
Regards
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From mlecza at newnetco.com  Wed Apr 24 21:13:49 2002
From: mlecza at newnetco.com (Mike Lecza)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:13:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig + mailman + Mhonarc
Message-ID: <018f01c1ebc4$2a21cc60$2f01010a@lexlaptop>

Is there a good doc about setting up htdig with mm + mhonarc?
 
Regards
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From rjones at email.unc.edu  Wed Apr 24 21:20:11 2002
From: rjones at email.unc.edu (RUSSELL P JONES)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:20:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissappearing Admin...
In-Reply-To: <018a01c1ebc3$e7a317e0$2f01010a@lexlaptop>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0204241518560.70690-100000@login7.isis.unc.edu>

Lists are disappearing from the .com/mailman/admin list of mailing lists -
the admin sections still exist, you just have to type out their full url
rather than click on a list from the arrangement on the .com/mailman/admin
page

ANy idea why?

russ jones






From jonc at haht.com  Wed Apr 24 21:37:56 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:37:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissappearing Admin...
References: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0204241518560.70690-100000@login7.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <028201c1ebc7$88e28390$0b04010a@JCARNES>

They have been marked as "private"...?

Web admin over to one of the lists and check the Privacy Options.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RUSSELL P JONES" <rjones at email.unc.edu>
To: <rjones at email.unc.edu>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:20 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissappearing Admin...


> Lists are disappearing from the .com/mailman/admin list of mailing lists -
> the admin sections still exist, you just have to type out their full url
> rather than click on a list from the arrangement on the .com/mailman/admin
> page
>
> ANy idea why?
>
> russ jones
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 24 21:40:42 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:40:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissappearing Admin...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.4.21L1.0204241518560.70690-100000@login7.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <20020424194042.51842.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com>

Russ,

Did you make them private lists ?

In my experience they will no longer appear under
listinfo or admin.

Hope this helps,
Moshe
http://www.bgaddict.com/

--- RUSSELL P JONES <rjones at email.unc.edu> wrote:
> Lists are disappearing from the .com/mailman/admin
> list of mailing lists -
> the admin sections still exist, you just have to
> type out their full url
> rather than click on a list from the arrangement on
> the .com/mailman/admin
> page
> 
> ANy idea why?
> 
> russ jones
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py


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From embrey at hood.edu  Wed Apr 24 21:56:53 2002
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:56:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem running check_perms
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020424154944.02c786e8@hermes.hood.edu>

I currently have a RedHat 7.2 with mailman 2.0.8-1 installed. I have 
several lists installed and they are functioning fine. I am getting some 
errors in the cron jobs relating to qrunner and several others. I decided 
to run check_perms to verify all the perms were correct. Here is the output 
from that command:

[root at helios mailman]# bin/check_perms -f
Traceback (innermost last):
   File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
     MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

Mailman has a user account UID of 41and group account GID of 41. What does 
this error mean and how do I correct it?

Bruce Embrey


Bruce Edward Embrey : Linux/OpenVMS Systems Manager / Campus Email Admin. : 
Hood College
embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 : Fax (301)696-3913





From andross at ghettobox.dhs.org  Wed Apr 24 20:51:04 2002
From: andross at ghettobox.dhs.org (Andross)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:51:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscription (via confirmation)
In-Reply-To: <20020424150417.10149.18686.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204241124390.7926-100000@ghettobox.dhs.org>

Hello,

I'm trying to configure an event notification email list. The problem is
that the prospective users aren't the most accomplished internet users.

I want my list to be unsubscribable via confirmation and not require a
password.

I've found a Mailman wrapper that will accomplish this, but I'd rather use
a mailman feature than a perl & postgress hack. From the 2.1 alpha
announcement I get the idea that mailman 2.1 will support this feature.

Is that correct, and is there anyway to accomplish this with mailman
2.0.9?

Other options would be: a link at the top of the welcome message that
would let the user unsubscribe or any other single action that would
unsubscribe the user.


Thanks for any advice





From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Apr 25 06:09:11 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:09:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
In-Reply-To: <004101c1eadf$d9b21da0$800ba8c0@ctews01>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421203352.00a6d980@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020422140833.064076c0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425000639.04138d50@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 05:59 PM 4/23/02 +0200, E.J.L. Kemper wrote:
>Ok, you got a point there!
>
>So I reinstalled it again.
>
>./configure   no errors.
>
>but make install, after a very close look gave this...
>----snip-----
>
>make[1]: Entering directory `/unpack/mailman-2.0.9/src'
>gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python\"" -DHEL
>PFUL
> -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HE
>ADER
>S=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   ./common.c
>In file included from /usr/include/errno.h:36,
>                 from common.h:27,
>                 from ./common.c:20:
>/usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory
>make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/unpack/mailman-2.0.9/src'
>
>-----snip------
>
>so could there be a problem there?????
>
>
>
>PS: /usr/include/bits/errno.h:   exists...??

Uh, yea, I'd say that was a problem, given that prat of mailman didn't compile.  Look through configure.log, and config.status, and review what configure did.  Configure rarely generates errors unless something majorly bad happens, but it *can* make the wrong guesses!

Note that /usr/include/bits/errno.h *should* exist.
The error you got:

>/usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory


Says that /usr/include/bits/errrno.h at line 25 referred to a file called linux/errno.h, and *that* was what it couldn't find.  I'd review bits/errno.h to see what it's referring to, and verify that that file is there, and as I said, double check what configure actuallys set, because it could have easily screwed up your include file paths.





From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Apr 25 06:12:01 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:12:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* messages in mail header
In-Reply-To: <3CC6C3DC.8080207@cityu.edu.hk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425001115.04138ec0@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 10:40 PM 4/24/02 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I remember some of you guys said that the "List-subscribe", "List-unsubscribe" message in the mail header is able to remove in Mailman 2.1 Beta, but I couldn't found where to set this up, even I look around the list admin page for some many times. Can anyone tell me a little bit more about this?

There's a config setting you have to turn on to allow overrides, which makes the option appear in the admin pages.
*However*, in the *current* cvs, that option is now turned on by default.





From amdlkw at xmission.com  Wed Apr 24 06:53:41 2002
From: amdlkw at xmission.com (Kristin Wright)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:53:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts not showing up on new install
Message-ID: <006501c1eb4c$05a7f620$8119fea9@192d001>

I have just installed 2.0.9 on linux 7.2. I can create lists, receive mail about creating the lists, and get confirmation messages in response to subscribing. Posts, however, are failing:
    - When I reply to the confirmation message sent to me as a new user, I still don't show up in the 
      list of users 
    - When I post to the list, no post shows up. 

Here's a summary of what I have done (basically followed the INSTALL instructions + configured sendmail.cf
so I could at least send mail):
    - check_perms reports all ok
    - configured the web server (seems to get access scripts/icons okay -- can't tell yet about archives)
    - did the 'crontab crontab.in' in /home/mailman 
    - added appropriate aliases (from output of newlist) to /etc/aliases; ran newaliases
    - put a feature into sendmail.cf hoping that I could at least send mail (maybe I did this wrong -- whatever
        i did did clear out the qfiles dir and stopped the errors from being logged, htough)

Thanks. 

-kw

     
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From brujah at brujah.com  Wed Apr 24 10:33:45 2002
From: brujah at brujah.com (Brujah)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:33:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman List Webpage
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020424043200.00a9b420@clickmojo.com>

I couldn't see anything in the INSTALL about the Apache Webpage directories 
where list pages will go.

For instance I get this in email after creating a list from command-line

You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:

     http://www.darkness.com/mailman/admin/test

The web page for users of your mailing list is:

     http://www.darkness.com/mailman/listinfo/test

However, nothing exists on those pages.

What did I miss ?






From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Thu Apr 25 02:00:33 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:00:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?
Message-ID: <000801c1ebec$39ae2d90$0d0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

I'm the net admin at a site which is using postfix and cyrus, and I'm trying to figure out how to integrate mailman into this. I've got it sending out subscription emails, etc., however, do I have to define aliases for the lists? Do I have to create mail folders in cyrus (imap) for mailman? I don't understand how mailman "gets" the mail, I guess that's where I'm a little lost. Has anyone done this? Can it be done? Thank you for your time.

Chris Wiegand
Signal BHN

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From jtowne at turtlehut.com  Thu Apr 25 04:53:39 2002
From: jtowne at turtlehut.com (Jeremy Towne)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:53:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin
Message-ID: <NDBBKKNLILLJHBHDOMHIKENDCKAA.jtowne@turtlehut.com>

I got my link sent to me when I created my list but The link is
Domain.com/mailman/admin/test1 the problem is that I have no admin Dir.
What is going on here.


Jeremy Towne

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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Apr 25 08:27:49 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:27:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman List Webpage 
In-Reply-To: Message from Brujah <brujah@brujah.com> 
   of "Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:33:45 EDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020424043200.00a9b420@clickmojo.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020424043200.00a9b420@clickmojo.com> 
Message-ID: <625.1019716069@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:33:45 -0400 
brujah  <brujah at brujah.com> wrote:

> What did I miss ?

You need to setup the appropriate ScriptAlias etc bits in your Apache
conf.  See the docs.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From mojo at whiteoaks.com  Thu Apr 25 09:11:47 2002
From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <000801c1ebec$39ae2d90$0d0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204250010030.6035-100000@devilrock.whiteoaks.com>

When newlist prints the set of aliases for a list, copy and paste them
into a postfix aliases file, and do a postalias and postfix reload.
Mail to the list will be redirected to the mailman scripts.

Best regards,
Mojo

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Chris Wiegand wrote:

> I'm the net admin at a site which is using postfix and cyrus, and I'm trying to figure out how to integrate mailman into this. I've got it sending out subscription emails, etc., however, do I have to define aliases for the lists? Do I have to create mail folders in cyrus (imap) for mailman? I don't understand how mailman "gets" the mail, I guess that's where I'm a little lost. Has anyone done this? Can it be done? Thank you for your time.
> 
> Chris Wiegand
> Signal BHN
> 
> 

-- 
Morris Jones         <*>
San Rafael, CA
mojo at whiteoaks.com
http://www.whiteoaks.com





From mojo at whiteoaks.com  Thu Apr 25 09:14:38 2002
From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:14:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKKNLILLJHBHDOMHIKENDCKAA.jtowne@turtlehut.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204250012120.6035-100000@devilrock.whiteoaks.com>

admin isn't actually a directory, though I know it looks like one.
The webserver knows that mailman is a program (from the ScriptAlias
command you added to the server config), and it provides the rest of the
path information as parameters to mailman.  Mailman parses the path into
a command "admin" and a list "test1".

Best regards,
Mojo

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Jeremy Towne wrote:

> I got my link sent to me when I created my list but The link is
> Domain.com/mailman/admin/test1 the problem is that I have no admin Dir.
> What is going on here.
> 
> 
> Jeremy Towne
> 
> 

-- 
Morris Jones         <*>
San Rafael, CA
mojo at whiteoaks.com
http://www.whiteoaks.com





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Apr 25 09:24:25 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:24:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm does not handle specialchars in addresses...
Message-ID: <3CC7AF29.656F4E4C@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hello *

i have this one fraggle on my list who keeps on subscribing himself
under an address like
"gonzo"@somewhere.com (yes, with the quotes !).
i first saw that after i did a mass subscription from a majordomo
list. i wanted to delete him for fear of problems, but mailman could
not do that via the web interface. so i asked the site admin to
delete him by hand, hoping that the web interface would prohibit
such phony mail addresses. bad luck. there he is again.

mailman version is 2.0.10 on python 1.5.1, i think it's a redhat
box.

is there some way to set up a strict address checking and reject
everything that's not
[A-Za-z0-9_]*(\.[A-Za-z0-9_]*)?\@([A-Za-z0-9_]*\.)+[A-Za-z]{2,6} (is
.museum the longest tld so far ?)
?
(btw, i'm no {mail|regex} god. if this is bogus, i'd welcome a
pointer to a correct filter.)

mailman should really disallow non-conformant addresses, especially
since it can't handle them properly.

j?rn



--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk  Thu Apr 25 08:15:56 2002
From: WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:15:56 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* messages in mail header
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425141540.00a70300@mail.cityu.edu.hk>

>Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:15:12 +0800
>To: Ron Jarrell <jarrell at vt.edu>
>From: Lewis Lau <WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List-* messages in mail header
>
>
>So, how can I turn it on, in order to make the option appear in the admin 
>pages?
>
>Lewis
>
>At 12:12 AM 4/25/02 -0400, you wrote:
>>At 10:40 PM 4/24/02 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote:
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >I remember some of you guys said that the "List-subscribe", 
>> "List-unsubscribe" message in the mail header is able to remove in 
>> Mailman 2.1 Beta, but I couldn't found where to set this up, even I look 
>> around the list admin page for some many times. Can anyone tell me a 
>> little bit more about this?
>>
>>There's a config setting you have to turn on to allow overrides, which 
>>makes the option appear in the admin pages.
>>*However*, in the *current* cvs, that option is now turned on by default.
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users mailing list
>>Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py






From donna at v1.wustl.edu  Thu Apr 25 15:11:01 2002
From: donna at v1.wustl.edu (Donna Hanlon)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: web interface
Message-ID: <3CC80065.AC0656C6@v1.wustl.edu>

Try these changes -- replace this part:

	<Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public/">
        Options FollowSymLinks
        AllowOverride None
	</Directory>

... with this:

<Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
      Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
      AllowOverride None
      Order allow,deny
      Allow from all
</Directory>

Also, you have two cgi-bin defs:

    <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin">
        AllowOverride None
        Options None
        Order allow,deny
        Allow from all
    </Directory>

    <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/">
        Options ExecCGI
    </Directory>
 
Get rid of the second one.




From linux at mostert.nom.za  Thu Apr 25 16:04:03 2002
From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:04:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface permissions
Message-ID: <01ea01c1ec62$12dfede0$48db19c4@corp.lantic.net>

Hi all
tnx to all who responded I got my web interface up and running :-)
Now I noticed in testing that if I log onto one list
http://<whatever.com>/mailman/admin/test/<whatever>

and I just go in the url and change test with test2 it puts me into that interface immediately and I can view the other persons details.
I can't change anything but I can see it.
I know it is a permissions problem but where.I am always verey carefull to su - to mailman when I work in the mailman directory

Tnx
Mozzi
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From linux at mostert.nom.za  Thu Apr 25 16:40:51 2002
From: linux at mostert.nom.za (Mozzi)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:40:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hostname change
Message-ID: <01f901c1ec67$3361f950$48db19c4@corp.lantic.net>

Hi all
Me again :-)
anyway
I tried to change the hostname of the server.
I want it now to be listserve.<domain>.com
I changed it edited $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
 inserted the following
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'listserve.<domain>.com'
DEFAULT_URL = 'http://listserve.<domain.com/mailman/'

My mail wasn't delivered although I changed the dns's and reverse dns lookups.

Any ideas?
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From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Thu Apr 25 16:48:15 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:48:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204250010030.6035-100000@devilrock.whiteoaks.com>
Message-ID: <000001c1ec68$3cac6710$0d0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

Where do I specify where the scripts are? My main.cf file doesn't mention
mailman anywhere I see... I added /etc/aliases, which had the mailman and
mailman-owner, but it didn't have test and test-owner in it... does mailman
put list aliases somewhere else?

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Morris Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:12 AM
To: Chris Wiegand
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?


When newlist prints the set of aliases for a list, copy and paste them
into a postfix aliases file, and do a postalias and postfix reload.
Mail to the list will be redirected to the mailman scripts.

Best regards,
Mojo

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Chris Wiegand wrote:

> I'm the net admin at a site which is using postfix and cyrus, and I'm
trying to figure out how to integrate mailman into this. I've got it sending
out subscription emails, etc., however, do I have to define aliases for the
lists? Do I have to create mail folders in cyrus (imap) for mailman? I don't
understand how mailman "gets" the mail, I guess that's where I'm a little
lost. Has anyone done this? Can it be done? Thank you for your time.
>
> Chris Wiegand
> Signal BHN
>
>

--
Morris Jones         <*>
San Rafael, CA
mojo at whiteoaks.com
http://www.whiteoaks.com



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From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Thu Apr 25 17:19:56 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:19:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <000001c1ec68$3cac6710$0d0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: <000301c1ec6c$a924d130$0d0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

Okay, I got a little farther, but I have not configured postfix to deliver
mail to mailman, so it'll by default go to cyrus right now. I see in the FAQ
that there's a hint on how to configure it for qmail, how do I tell postfix
to deliver mailman mail to the mailman scripts?? That's the piece I'm
probably missing.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chris Wiegand
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:48 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?


Where do I specify where the scripts are? My main.cf file doesn't mention
mailman anywhere I see... I added /etc/aliases, which had the mailman and
mailman-owner, but it didn't have test and test-owner in it... does mailman
put list aliases somewhere else?

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Morris Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:12 AM
To: Chris Wiegand
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?


When newlist prints the set of aliases for a list, copy and paste them
into a postfix aliases file, and do a postalias and postfix reload.
Mail to the list will be redirected to the mailman scripts.

Best regards,
Mojo

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Chris Wiegand wrote:

> I'm the net admin at a site which is using postfix and cyrus, and I'm
trying to figure out how to integrate mailman into this. I've got it sending
out subscription emails, etc., however, do I have to define aliases for the
lists? Do I have to create mail folders in cyrus (imap) for mailman? I don't
understand how mailman "gets" the mail, I guess that's where I'm a little
lost. Has anyone done this? Can it be done? Thank you for your time.
>
> Chris Wiegand
> Signal BHN
>
>

--
Morris Jones         <*>
San Rafael, CA
mojo at whiteoaks.com
http://www.whiteoaks.com



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Mailman-Users at python.org
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From Joe at 1forlifeministries.com  Thu Apr 25 17:37:10 2002
From: Joe at 1forlifeministries.com (Joe Ulveling)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:37:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with using mailman
Message-ID: <000301c1ec6f$10f08e10$6601a8c0@1forlifeb>

I am using mailman for the first time and I have questions about sending and
replying options.  I have a monthly newsletter that I want to send to a list
of 200 subscribers.  However, I do not want them to be able to see each
others email addresses nor do I want them to be able to "reply to all".  Is
this possible using a public mailing list like mailman?

Joe Ulveling
1 For Life Ministries
Joe at 1forlifeministries.com
770-704-7718

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From mikeraz at patch.com  Thu Apr 25 18:08:58 2002
From: mikeraz at patch.com (mikeraz at patch.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:08:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock error
In-Reply-To: <20020425160004.17198.1451.Mailman@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 12:00:04PM -0400
References: <20020425160004.17198.1451.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020425090858.A12713@patch.com>

My system ran out of disk space and thus, many of the Mailman processes failed.
After freeing up some space Mailman was not delivering mail and I found the 
qrunner logs had several error messages "Could not acquire qrunner lock"

the Mailman locks directory contained several files.  After some trial and
error I just deleted them all.  

Is it safe or advisable to do a `rm -f /home/mailman/locks/*` in a situation
like this?

What is the course of action one should take?

-- 
    Michael Rasmussen  aka  mikeraz
   Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
   "They that give up essential liberty to obtain
   temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
				-- Benjamin Franklin 	
     But keep in mind:
>From Sharp minds come... pointed heads.
-- Bryan Sparrowhawk




From donna at v1.wustl.edu  Thu Apr 25 18:11:05 2002
From: donna at v1.wustl.edu (Donna Hanlon)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: hostname change (Mozzi)
References: <20020425160004.17198.1451.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3CC82A99.66B6955F@v1.wustl.edu>

"Mozzi" <linux at mostert.nom.za> wrote:
> I tried to change the hostname of the server.
> I want it now to be listserve.<domain>.com
> I changed it edited $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
>  inserted the following
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'listserve.<domain>.com'
> DEFAULT_URL = 'http://listserve.<domain.com/mailman/'
> 
> My mail wasn't delivered although I changed the dns's and reverse dns
> lookups.

Check mm_cfg.py for a line defining SMTPHOST, e.g.:
SMTPHOST = 'listserve.<domain>.com'




From mojo at whiteoaks.com  Thu Apr 25 19:55:42 2002
From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <000301c1ec6c$a924d130$0d0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204251054080.13672-100000@devilrock.whiteoaks.com>

It's right there in the alias for the list.  Here's a sample from my aliases:

## test mailing list
## created: 18-Dec-2001 mailman
test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

Notice that the alias for "test" says "pipe the mail into program
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper".

If that doesn't work, look for an error message in the postfix logs.

Best regards,
Mojo

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Chris Wiegand wrote:

> Okay, I got a little farther, but I have not configured postfix to deliver
> mail to mailman, so it'll by default go to cyrus right now. I see in the FAQ
> that there's a hint on how to configure it for qmail, how do I tell postfix
> to deliver mailman mail to the mailman scripts?? That's the piece I'm
> probably missing.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chris Wiegand
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:48 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?
> 
> 
> Where do I specify where the scripts are? My main.cf file doesn't mention
> mailman anywhere I see... I added /etc/aliases, which had the mailman and
> mailman-owner, but it didn't have test and test-owner in it... does mailman
> put list aliases somewhere else?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Morris Jones
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:12 AM
> To: Chris Wiegand
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix + Cyrus + Mailman?
> 
> 
> When newlist prints the set of aliases for a list, copy and paste them
> into a postfix aliases file, and do a postalias and postfix reload.
> Mail to the list will be redirected to the mailman scripts.
> 
> Best regards,
> Mojo
> 
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Chris Wiegand wrote:
> 
> > I'm the net admin at a site which is using postfix and cyrus, and I'm
> trying to figure out how to integrate mailman into this. I've got it sending
> out subscription emails, etc., however, do I have to define aliases for the
> lists? Do I have to create mail folders in cyrus (imap) for mailman? I don't
> understand how mailman "gets" the mail, I guess that's where I'm a little
> lost. Has anyone done this? Can it be done? Thank you for your time.
> >
> > Chris Wiegand
> > Signal BHN
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Morris Jones         <*>
> San Rafael, CA
> mojo at whiteoaks.com
> http://www.whiteoaks.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 

-- 
Morris Jones         <*>
San Rafael, CA
mojo at whiteoaks.com
http://www.whiteoaks.com





From mlecza at newnetco.com  Thu Apr 25 20:44:03 2002
From: mlecza at newnetco.com (Mike Lecza)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:44:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonarc and Private Archive Authentication
In-Reply-To: <018a01c1ebc3$e7a317e0$2f01010a@lexlaptop>
Message-ID: <011101c1ec89$2c4b6da0$2f01010a@lexlaptop>

I figured out what my problem was :-)
 
I had to comment out the following line that was added during Thierry?s
procedure.  Worked great (once I finally got a good grasp on what was
happening ;-)
 
Now to see I I can get it working with the htdig results pages ? If
anyone has any tips your input is welcome.
 
Regards
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lecza
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:12 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonarc and Private Archive Authentication
 
I follow the same procedure a Guiseppe in this note:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg09107.html
 
and cannot get the Private Authentication working as he describes?  Has
anyone else gotten this working?
 
The only thing that I have different is the location of my archives so I
have:
 
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR='/var/mhonarc/archives'
 
I am not getting the Auth page when I hit the archives.
 
Any help is appreciated.
 
Regards
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From mlecza at newnetco.com  Thu Apr 25 21:07:30 2002
From: mlecza at newnetco.com (Mike Lecza)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:07:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig Indexing Private Pages?
Message-ID: <011d01c1ec8c$728a5710$2f01010a@lexlaptop>

Has anyone gotten htdig to index the Private Pages?  When I run htdig it
just indexes the Authentication Page ? Is there a way to get htdig
logged in to index the rest?
 
Regards
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From danny at terweij.nl  Thu Apr 25 21:28:46 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:28:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Message-ID: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

Hi,

When messages are arrived, it sits just there /var/mailman/qfiles between 1 and 45 minutes.
qrunner is running every minute from the cron. Also when manualy start the qrunner nothing happens.

Mailman version 2.0.10
OS: RH 7.2
Base location /var/mailman
Just recently upgraded from 2.0.8

Here some logs :

Error log:

Apr 25 20:49:11 2002 admin(7975): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(7975): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -----]
admin(7975): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(7975): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(7975):     main()
admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 174, in main

And qrunner log :

Apr 25 21:13:04 2002 (1360) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:14:06 2002 (1399) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:14:19 2002 (1405) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:15:10 2002 (1414) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:16:14 2002 (1528) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:17:06 2002 (1538) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:18:06 2002 (1542) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:22:06 2002 (1790) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:23:05 2002 (1795) Could not acquire qrunner lock

How to solve this?

Thanx you.

Groetjes Danny Terweij

 
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From mlecza at newnetco.com  Thu Apr 25 22:12:01 2002
From: mlecza at newnetco.com (Mike Lecza)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:12:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig Indexing Private Pages?
In-Reply-To: <011d01c1ec8c$728a5710$2f01010a@lexlaptop>
Message-ID: <012801c1ec95$75f88cb0$2f01010a@lexlaptop>

For anyone interested in this ? I got indexing working on Private
archives by using the local_urls and local_urls_only options in htdig
:-)
 
Regards
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lecza
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:08 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig Indexing Private Pages?
 
Has anyone gotten htdig to index the Private Pages?  When I run htdig it
just indexes the Authentication Page ? Is there a way to get htdig
logged in to index the rest?
 
Regards
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From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Thu Apr 25 22:51:02 2002
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:51:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock error
In-Reply-To: <20020425090858.A12713@patch.com>
References: <20020425160004.17198.1451.Mailman@mail.python.org>
 <20020425090858.A12713@patch.com>
Message-ID: <p05100308b8ee1a2d1af7@[216.162.173.6]>

Michael,

You should not remove locks unless you are sure they do not belong to 
any running processes.  The files should have PIDs attached to their 
names, so it's not hard to tell.  One tactic might be to comment out 
Mailman's crontab stuff, disable web access for a sec, and then if 
there are no python processes running, remove the locks.  I would 
imagine you could corrupt something if you deleted an active lock.

Attached is a little Perl script that might help....or it might catch 
your box on fire and give you warts.  Read the comments and make sure 
they are true on your OS before running.

	- H


>My system ran out of disk space and thus, many of the Mailman 
>processes failed.
>After freeing up some space Mailman was not delivering mail and I found the
>qrunner logs had several error messages "Could not acquire qrunner lock"
>
>the Mailman locks directory contained several files.  After some trial and
>error I just deleted them all. 
>
>Is it safe or advisable to do a `rm -f /home/mailman/locks/*` in a situation
>like this?
>
>What is the course of action one should take?
>
>--
>     Michael Rasmussen  aka  mikeraz
>    Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
>    "They that give up essential liberty to obtain
>    temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>				-- Benjamin Franklin
>      But keep in mind:
>>From Sharp minds come... pointed heads.
>-- Bryan Sparrowhawk


-- 

Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   775-201-4458
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Apr 25 18:52:41 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:52:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock error
References: <20020425160004.17198.1451.Mailman@mail.python.org> <20020425090858.A12713@patch.com>
Message-ID: <3CC83459.9E81BB46@folkwang-hochschule.de>

mikeraz at patch.com wrote:
> 
> My system ran out of disk space and thus, many of the Mailman processes failed.
> After freeing up some space Mailman was not delivering mail and I found the
> qrunner logs had several error messages "Could not acquire qrunner lock"
> 
> the Mailman locks directory contained several files.  After some trial and
> error I just deleted them all.

this should not be necessary.
you can just kill all the qrunner processes and then delete the
qrunner locks.


--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From joshuae at shaft.bitmine.net  Thu Apr 25 21:18:38 2002
From: joshuae at shaft.bitmine.net (Joshua Eichen)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:18:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Including Off-site Lists
Message-ID: <20020425191838.GA5761@bitmine.net>

Is there a way to have mailing lists that are not hosted on the site appear on the list of lists?

Please reply directly to me because I am not subscribed to the list.

Thank you,
Joshua Eichen

-- 
Bury my heart at Betrand Russellstraat.
keyserver: seattle.keyserver.net
fingerprint: 363E D1F4 8EC0 DDE3 5DC1  056F E8ED 5163 EE1B 2333

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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 26 00:43:38 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:43:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Including Off-site Lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Joshua Eichen <joshuae@shaft.bitmine.net> 
   of "Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:18:38 PDT." <20020425191838.GA5761@bitmine.net> 
References: <20020425191838.GA5761@bitmine.net> 
Message-ID: <14802.1019774618@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:18:38 -0700 
Joshua Eichen <joshuae at shaft.bitmine.net> wrote:

> Is there a way to have mailing lists that are not hosted on the site
> appear on the list of lists?  

Not currently (not without NFS-style mount magic).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 00:41:18 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:41:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <00cc01c1ecaa$5131d3e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

The qfiles dir is growing.. and there is processed only 1 file at the qfiles
dir between 20 and 45 minutes.
Why so slow?
I did : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-May/011257.html
but no results yet.
Danny.


----- Original Message -----
From: Danny Terweij
Hi,

When messages are arrived, it sits just there /var/mailman/qfiles between 1
and 45 minutes.
qrunner is running every minute from the cron. Also when manualy start the
qrunner nothing happens.

Mailman version 2.0.10
OS: RH 7.2
Base location /var/mailman
Just recently upgraded from 2.0.8

Here some logs :

Error log:

Apr 25 20:49:11 2002 admin(7975):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(7975): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -----]
admin(7975): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(7975): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(7975):     main()
admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 174, in main

And qrunner log :

Apr 25 21:13:04 2002 (1360) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:14:06 2002 (1399) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:14:19 2002 (1405) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:15:10 2002 (1414) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:16:14 2002 (1528) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:17:06 2002 (1538) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:18:06 2002 (1542) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:22:06 2002 (1790) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 21:23:05 2002 (1795) Could not acquire qrunner lock

How to solve this?

Thanx you.

Groetjes Danny Terweij





From marmotmaster at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 26 07:13:08 2002
From: marmotmaster at hotmail.com (Matt Eckhaus)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:13:08 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and large lists
Message-ID: <002101c1ece1$0dc31510$0200a8c0@lunchbot>

I'm wondering if anyone can give me information about how Mailman copes
with very large lists - over 100,000 subscribers.

I'm considering using Mailman for our company newsletters, some of which
have over 100k subscribers. I haven't found any examples of Mailman
being used successfully in this kind of situation, so if you are doing
it please let me know. On the other hand, if you don't think that
mailman is suitable I'd love to hear about it too.

Thanks,
Matt

PS. In case anyone is worried - this isn't for spam :)




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Apr 26 10:52:34 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:52:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig Indexing Private Pages?
In-Reply-To: <011d01c1ec8c$728a5710$2f01010a@lexlaptop>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020426094447.03721998@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:07 25/04/2002 -0400, Mike Lecza wrote:

>Has anyone gotten htdig to index the Private Pages?  When I run htdig it 
>just indexes the Authentication Page Is there a way to get htdig logged in 
>to index the rest?

The mailman-htdig integration patches posted on sourceforge were 
specifically designed to deal with this issue automatically. Each list's 
TOC has a search form for the list and URLs returned by htsearch for 
private archives go via a mailman script which enforces the same 
authentication rules as the standard private archive access delivery script 
in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. More importantly, each list's archive is 
indexed independently so that htsearch will not return hits on material 
that cannot then be accessed by the user; the other problem with a common 
index including private archive material is that search results can reveal 
private material even if full access to the archive pages is subsequently 
denied.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103





From pons18 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 26 11:23:41 2002
From: pons18 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sandro=20Pons?=)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:23:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change multiple
Message-ID: <20020426092341.33516.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com>

hello ppl,

im a member of some mailman lists,
im registered using one e-mail address.

is it possible to change the e-mail address
to a new one without unsubscribe and rejoin all the
lists?

is it possible for the mailman admin to change it?
if yes, how to?

thanks & regards


=====
--
Sandro Pons
pons18 at yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/pons18

______________________________________________________________________
Con Yahoo! vinci viaggi per i Mondiali FIFA 2002
http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://lasfida.yahoo.net/




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Apr 26 12:35:12 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 26 Apr 2002 12:35:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change multiple
In-Reply-To: Sandro Pons's message of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:23:41 +0200 (CEST)"
References: <20020426092341.33516.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <werdiemessageidindieeinleitungszeileuebernimmthateineneinleitungsroman.m3ofg6n3xb.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Sandro Pons <pons18 at yahoo.com> writes:

> is it possible to change the e-mail address
> to a new one without unsubscribe and rejoin all the
> lists?

No.

> is it possible for the mailman admin to change it?

No. He must also unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new
address.


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

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From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 13:12:09 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:12:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <00cc01c1ecaa$5131d3e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <015001c1ed13$355048a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

Could some one help?
The qfiles dir is very big at the moment. qrunner proc is running now for 18
ours and still it is proccessing 1 message between 20-45 minutes. There
comes more messages in then out..

Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up?

I am  running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers.


Danny.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Terweij" <danny at terweij.nl>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?


> The qfiles dir is growing.. and there is processed only 1 file at the
qfiles
> dir between 20 and 45 minutes.
> Why so slow?
> I did :
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-May/011257.html
> but no results yet.
> Danny.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Danny Terweij
> Hi,
>
> When messages are arrived, it sits just there /var/mailman/qfiles between
1
> and 45 minutes.
> qrunner is running every minute from the cron. Also when manualy start the
> qrunner nothing happens.
>
> Mailman version 2.0.10
> OS: RH 7.2
> Base location /var/mailman
> Just recently upgraded from 2.0.8
>
> Here some logs :
>
> Error log:
>
> Apr 25 20:49:11 2002 admin(7975):
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(7975): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -----]
> admin(7975): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(7975): Traceback (innermost last):
> admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> admin(7975):     main()
> admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 174, in main
>
> And qrunner log :
>
> Apr 25 21:13:04 2002 (1360) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 25 21:14:06 2002 (1399) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 25 21:14:19 2002 (1405) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 25 21:15:10 2002 (1414) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 25 21:16:14 2002 (1528) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 25 21:17:06 2002 (1538) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 25 21:18:06 2002 (1542) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 25 21:22:06 2002 (1790) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Apr 25 21:23:05 2002 (1795) Could not acquire qrunner lock
>
> How to solve this?
>
> Thanx you.
>
> Groetjes Danny Terweij
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From support at antenna.nl  Fri Apr 26 14:00:02 2002
From: support at antenna.nl (Antenna Support)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:00:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and large lists
In-Reply-To: <002101c1ece1$0dc31510$0200a8c0@lunchbot>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10204261358320.8749-100000@waal.occasio.net>

Dear Matt,

Just to warn you when importing e-mail addresses: there is a bug which
causes Mailman to loop if an imported address contains a & (we had this
problem when changing from majordomo to mailman lists and no solution has 
been provided as yet)

Tsjebbe
Antenna Foundation The Netherlands

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Matt Eckhaus wrote:

> I'm wondering if anyone can give me information about how Mailman copes
> with very large lists - over 100,000 subscribers.
> 
> I'm considering using Mailman for our company newsletters, some of which
> have over 100k subscribers. I haven't found any examples of Mailman
> being used successfully in this kind of situation, so if you are doing
> it please let me know. On the other hand, if you don't think that
> mailman is suitable I'd love to hear about it too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 
> PS. In case anyone is worried - this isn't for spam :)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 26 14:58:04 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
In-Reply-To: <015001c1ed13$355048a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <00cc01c1ecaa$5131d3e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <015001c1ed13$355048a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <200204261255.IAA09469@salsa.haht.com>

Are messages going out from Mailman?  In otherwords, is qrunner stuck on one 
or two messages?

How big are the messages in the queues?

Are you using SMTP direct (in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py)?

what are you using for your MTA (Sendmail is the default for RH 7.2)?

 --- Original Message: Friday 26 April 2002 07:12 am ---
> Could some one help?
> The qfiles dir is very big at the moment. qrunner proc is running now for
> 18 ours and still it is proccessing 1 message between 20-45 minutes. There
> comes more messages in then out..
>
> Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up?
>
> I am  running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers.
>
>
> Danny.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Terweij" <danny at terweij.nl>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
>
> > The qfiles dir is growing.. and there is processed only 1 file at the
>
> qfiles
>
> > dir between 20 and 45 minutes.
> > Why so slow?
> > I did :
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-May/011257.html
>
> > but no results yet.
> > Danny.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Danny Terweij
> > Hi,
> >
> > When messages are arrived, it sits just there /var/mailman/qfiles between
>
> 1
>
> > and 45 minutes.
> > qrunner is running every minute from the cron. Also when manualy start
> > the qrunner nothing happens.
> >
> > Mailman version 2.0.10
> > OS: RH 7.2
> > Base location /var/mailman
> > Just recently upgraded from 2.0.8
> >
> > Here some logs :
> >
> > Error log:
> >
> > Apr 25 20:49:11 2002 admin(7975):
> > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> > admin(7975): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -----]
> > admin(7975): [----- Traceback ------]
> > admin(7975): Traceback (innermost last):
> > admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> > admin(7975):     main()
> > admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 174, in
> > main
> >
> > And qrunner log :
> >
> > Apr 25 21:13:04 2002 (1360) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 25 21:14:06 2002 (1399) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 25 21:14:19 2002 (1405) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 25 21:15:10 2002 (1414) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 25 21:16:14 2002 (1528) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 25 21:17:06 2002 (1538) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 25 21:18:06 2002 (1542) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 25 21:22:06 2002 (1790) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Apr 25 21:23:05 2002 (1795) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> >
> > How to solve this?
> >
> > Thanx you.
> >
> > Groetjes Danny Terweij
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri Apr 26 15:01:44 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:01:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <00cc01c1ecaa$5131d3e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <015001c1ed13$355048a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <3CC94FB8.A4559D45@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Danny Terweij wrote:
> 
> Could some one help?
> The qfiles dir is very big at the moment. qrunner proc is running now for 18
> ours and still it is proccessing 1 message between 20-45 minutes. There
> comes more messages in then out..
> 
> Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up?

no.
 
> I am  running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers.

with such a tiny load, something is defintely wrong....
which mailman version are you running ?
anything in the other logs ?

--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 15:20:15 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:20:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <00cc01c1ecaa$5131d3e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <015001c1ed13$355048a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200204261255.IAA09469@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <002101c1ed25$1a7606c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> Are messages going out from Mailman?  In otherwords, is qrunner stuck on
one
> or two messages?

> How big are the messages in the queues?

Between 1 and 300kb.
Some times  more.

> Are you using SMTP direct (in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py)?

I use the smtpdirect.

> what are you using for your MTA (Sendmail is the default for RH 7.2)?

smtp direct is going to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (sendmail)
And sendmail is configured as proxy (relaying server) to my main smtp server
(win32).
So resolving is done at my win32 machine and is very fast.

Danny.


>  --- Original Message: Friday 26 April 2002 07:12 am ---
> > Could some one help?
> > The qfiles dir is very big at the moment. qrunner proc is running now
for
> > 18 ours and still it is proccessing 1 message between 20-45 minutes.
There
> > comes more messages in then out..
> >
> > Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up?
> >
> > I am  running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers.
> >
> >
> > Danny.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Danny Terweij" <danny at terweij.nl>
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
> >
> > > The qfiles dir is growing.. and there is processed only 1 file at the
> >
> > qfiles
> >
> > > dir between 20 and 45 minutes.
> > > Why so slow?
> > > I did :
> >
> > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-May/011257.html
> >
> > > but no results yet.
> > > Danny.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Danny Terweij
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > When messages are arrived, it sits just there /var/mailman/qfiles
between
> >
> > 1
> >
> > > and 45 minutes.
> > > qrunner is running every minute from the cron. Also when manualy start
> > > the qrunner nothing happens.
> > >
> > > Mailman version 2.0.10
> > > OS: RH 7.2
> > > Base location /var/mailman
> > > Just recently upgraded from 2.0.8
> > >
> > > Here some logs :
> > >
> > > Error log:
> > >
> > > Apr 25 20:49:11 2002 admin(7975):
> > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> > > admin(7975): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -----]
> > > admin(7975): [----- Traceback ------]
> > > admin(7975): Traceback (innermost last):
> > > admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in
run_main
> > > admin(7975):     main()
> > > admin(7975):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 174, in
> > > main
> > >
> > > And qrunner log :
> > >
> > > Apr 25 21:13:04 2002 (1360) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > > Apr 25 21:14:06 2002 (1399) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > > Apr 25 21:14:19 2002 (1405) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > > Apr 25 21:15:10 2002 (1414) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > > Apr 25 21:16:14 2002 (1528) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > > Apr 25 21:17:06 2002 (1538) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > > Apr 25 21:18:06 2002 (1542) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > > Apr 25 21:22:06 2002 (1790) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > > Apr 25 21:23:05 2002 (1795) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > >
> > > How to solve this?
> > >
> > > Thanx you.
> > >
> > > Groetjes Danny Terweij
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 15:23:32 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:23:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <00cc01c1ecaa$5131d3e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <015001c1ed13$355048a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <3CC94FB8.A4559D45@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <002701c1ed25$901ee040$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de>

> > Is it possible to run more qrunner processes? to speed things up?

> no.

Okay.

> > I am  running just 6 lists and between 30-66 subscribers.

> with such a tiny load, something is defintely wrong....
> which mailman version are you running ?

2.0.10, few weeks ago upgraded from 2.0.8

But 2.0.8 was running shortly.. just tested with a test-list.

> anything in the other logs ?

Wich logs do you want to see and how many lines? (did not logrotate, did
just install and going to run tonight)

Danny






From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 15:29:33 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:29:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Message-ID: <004101c1ed26$66eaf960$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

 From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
 > How big are the messages in the queues?
 
 -rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mailman       125 Apr 26 13:49
 00a08f4b7f3eda93337dd0eaed6c43db23eadc53.db
 -rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mailman     19786 Apr 26 13:49
 00a08f4b7f3eda93337dd0eaed6c43db23eadc53.msg
 [cut]
 -rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mailman       126 Apr 26 15:17
 332356b7c7b3a6fde975a8120825344d6e790e9e.db
 -rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mailman      5121 Apr 26 15:17
 332356b7c7b3a6fde975a8120825344d6e790e9e.msg

 I see also :
 
 -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       184 Apr 26 13:48
 08ab0d7e1c5c313381f0ed53abcdc5f462e9addd.db
 -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman   1108955 Apr 26 13:48
 08ab0d7e1c5c313381f0ed53abcdc5f462e9addd.msg
 
 Danny
 
 





From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 15:49:09 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:49:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <00cc01c1ecaa$5131d3e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <015001c1ed13$355048a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200204261255.IAA09469@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <005701c1ed29$24449140$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> Are messages going out from Mailman?  In otherwords, is qrunner stuck on
one
> or two messages?

Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or something else).

With ps ax i see :

 4609 ?        R     41:19 /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner

Danny.







From jbauer at nenshi.net  Fri Apr 26 16:05:51 2002
From: jbauer at nenshi.net (Jim Bauer)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:05:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newuser needs help
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204260918000.20262-100000@lx101.nenshi.net>

Hi,
I am attempting to run mailman a RH 7.2 box with apache and sendmail.

The install went fine.

The problem I have is the apache config portion of the instructions.

Note that I had to install apache to install mailman.  I haven't used 
apache up to this point.

The install is from i386 rpm downloaded from the Red Hat site.

The instructions from that install say:

When the mailman package has finished installing, you will need to:
* run /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass
 to create the mailman administrator password
* edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
 to customize mailman's configuration for your site
* add these lines:
 ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
 Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
 Options +FollowSymlinks
 to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf to configure your web server.

At this point, apache will come up.  
With the basic intall default.  The mailman interface on the http server 
does not.  I believe that I've done the httpd.conf changes incorrectly.

I found the Alias area in the above file.  I added the Alias line there.

I found ScriptAlias area also and added the above line there also.

I found a line with 
Options FollowSymlinks
and changed it to 
Options +followSymlinks

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
-- 
jrb

"The only well-adjusted people in this world...are dead."








From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Apr 26 16:42:01 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 26 Apr 2002 16:42:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newuser needs help
In-Reply-To: Jim Bauer's message of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:05:51 -0400 (EDT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204260918000.20262-100000@lx101.nenshi.net>
Message-ID: <werdiemessageidindieeinleitungszeileuebernimmthateineneinleitungsroman.m3sn5ildxi.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Jim Bauer <jbauer at nenshi.net> writes:

> I found a line with 
> Options FollowSymlinks
> and changed it to 
> Options +followSymlinks
           ^

Is this typo only here or in httpd.conf also?


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Apr 26 17:24:35 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:24:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change multiple 
In-Reply-To: Message from =?iso-8859-1?q?Sandro=20Pons?= <pons18@yahoo.com> 
   of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:23:41 +0200." <20020426092341.33516.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20020426092341.33516.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <26059.1019834675@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:23:41 +0200 (CEST) 
pons18  <iso-8859-1> wrote:

> is it possible to change the e-mail address to a new one without
> unsubscribe and rejoin all the lists?

Currently, no.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 26 18:16:46 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:16:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman loops because of & in an address
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10204231442580.15727-100000@waal.occasio.net>
Message-ID: <15561.32110.391974.879873@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AS" == Antenna Support <support at antenna.nl> writes:

    AS> We just experienced a loop: a message was sent many times
    AS> because it wasn't deleted in the /home/mailman/qfiles
    AS> directory The error mailed was:

    AS> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

    | sh: c.lovell at xtra.co.nz: command not found
    | c... User unknown

    | It appeared that there was an address added to the list:
    | m&c.lovell at xtra.co.nz

    AS> The loop could only be stopped by removing the .msg and .db
    AS> file in the qfiles directory. I also removed this address from
    AS> the subscribers.

    AS> Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening
    AS> again?

Don't use the Sendmail.py DELIVERY_MODULE.  It goes through the shell,
and its input is not properly escaped.  For the same reason,
Sendmail.py is a security problem.

Mailman itself can handle addresses with &'s in them just fine (and I
believe they're legal as per RFC 2822).  Use the SMTPDirect.py
delivery module and you should be fine.

-Barry





From barry at zope.com  Fri Apr 26 18:19:13 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:19:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: looping mails
References: <20020423160004.7724.96731.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<20020423111500.A15966@dyson.gadallah.com>
Message-ID: <15561.32257.119475.330911@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "LG" == Larry Gadallah <larry at gadallah.com> writes:

    LG> FWIW - I just experienced the same symptoms running
    LG> 2.1b1. _VERY_ embarassing, especially after telling everyone
    LG> how Mailman would be so much more fun than Majordomo.

Of course 2.1b1 is still beta software.  When using 2.0.x or 2.1 you
should definitely not use the Sendmail.py delivery module, even if
you're using the sendmail MTA.

By using SMTPDirect.py with an RFC-compliant MTA you should not get
duplicates, although there is a known bug in 2.1b1 that can cause
dupes in certain situations.  This is fixed in cvs and will be part of
2.1b2.

-Barry




From nb at thinkcoach.com  Fri Apr 26 18:22:35 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:22:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and large lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10204261358320.8749-100000@waal.occasio.net>
	(message from Antenna Support on Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:00:02 +0200
	(CEST))
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10204261358320.8749-100000@waal.occasio.net>
Message-ID: <200204261622.g3QGMZ228947@quill.local>

> Just to warn you when importing e-mail addresses: there is a bug which
> causes Mailman to loop if an imported address contains a & (we had this
> problem when changing from majordomo to mailman lists and no solution has 
> been provided as yet)

As the problem seems to have come from the '&' being interpreted
as a shell metacharacter, I suspect that this problem can happen
only if one uses Sendmail.py instead of SMTPDirect.py ...

(Is this correct?)

Greetings, Norbert.

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From Gibsonha at aol.com  Fri Apr 26 19:18:19 2002
From: Gibsonha at aol.com (Gibsonha at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:18:19 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <2f.265a78fe.29fae5db@aol.com>

How do I unsubscribe from your site?

Thanks
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From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx  Fri Apr 26 19:28:27 2002
From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:28:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update list...
Message-ID: <20020426172827.53130.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!!!

   How can i update a list in command line, i mean by
crontab, etc...

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From chris at torfree.net  Fri Apr 26 20:02:55 2002
From: chris at torfree.net (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:02:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change multiple
In-Reply-To: <werdiemessageidindieeinleitungszeileuebernimmthateineneinleitungsroman.m3ofg6n3xb.fsf@mailman.charite.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0204261401000.8745-100000@sheppard1.torfree.net>

On 26 Apr 2002, Detlef Neubauer wrote:

> Sandro Pons <pons18 at yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > is it possible to change the e-mail address
> > to a new one without unsubscribe and rejoin all the
> > lists?
>
> No.
>
> > is it possible for the mailman admin to change it?
>
> No. He must also unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new
> address.

   Can't the site administrator can change it with "clone_member -r"?

-- 
	Chris F.A. Johnson               http://cfaj.freeshell.org
	==========================================================
	-+   Everything in moderation -- including moderation   +-





From chris at torfree.net  Fri Apr 26 20:07:28 2002
From: chris at torfree.net (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update list...
In-Reply-To: <20020426172827.53130.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0204261405060.8745-100000@sheppard1.torfree.net>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, [iso-8859-1] Alex Sammons wrote:

> Hi there!!!
>
>    How can i update a list in command line, i mean by
> crontab, etc...

    Use the command-line utilities (site administrator access required):

          http://www.list.org/admins.html

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	==========================================================
	-+   Everything in moderation -- including moderation   +-





From brian at pro-phile.com  Fri Apr 26 20:19:18 2002
From: brian at pro-phile.com (Brian Teal)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:19:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
References: <20020426160004.30172.75587.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <002301c1ed4e$e399e430$0200a8c0@ddr>

I need to get into the mailman program to get rid of some of the archives,
they are pushing the limit of space on my server. However, when I call up
the login page and fill in my password (which is the correct one) it never
goes anywhere, it just cyles. Any ideas??
ASAP!?!
THANKS!
____________________
Brian
brian at pro-phile.com





From fred at bytesforall.org  Fri Apr 26 18:25:30 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:55:30 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another list for list-admins?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204262154170.1416-100000@localhost.localdomain>

This list seems to be more of a technical list for people setting-up and
maintaining Mailman. Is there some list where non-tech people like me
could share simple ideas on how to get the most of Mailman's features?

For some of my work, please visit http://www.indialists.org

A number of our lists run on Mailman, a fantastic MLM software.

FN
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From matt at remedyx.com  Fri Apr 26 21:24:50 2002
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
In-Reply-To: <002301c1ed4e$e399e430$0200a8c0@ddr>
References: <20020426160004.30172.75587.Mailman@mail.python.org>
 <002301c1ed4e$e399e430$0200a8c0@ddr>
Message-ID: <158389818579.20020426122450@remedyx.com>

Hello Brian,

Friday, April 26, 2002, 11:19:18 AM, Brian Teal wrote:

> I need to get into the mailman program to get rid of some of the archives,
> they are pushing the limit of space on my server. However, when I call up
> the login page and fill in my password (which is the correct one) it never
> goes anywhere, it just cyles. Any ideas??
> ASAP!?!
> THANKS!

I've had this problem, and a clearing of the lock files usually does the
trick.  /path/to/mailman/locks

-- 
Regards,
 Matt                            mailto:matt at remedyx.com





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri Apr 26 21:14:19 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:14:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
References: <20020426160004.30172.75587.Mailman@mail.python.org> <002301c1ed4e$e399e430$0200a8c0@ddr>
Message-ID: <3CC9A70B.C2E692B6@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Brian Teal wrote:
> 
> I need to get into the mailman program to get rid of some of the archives,
> they are pushing the limit of space on my server. However, when I call up
> the login page and fill in my password (which is the correct one) it never
> goes anywhere, it just cyles. Any ideas??

care to elaborate what "just cycles" means ?

if your disks are full, you might need to clean up as root before
you can do anything as a normal user.



--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From brian at pro-phile.com  Fri Apr 26 22:10:13 2002
From: brian at pro-phile.com (Brian Teal)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:10:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
References: <20020426160004.30172.75587.Mailman@mail.python.org> <002301c1ed4e$e399e430$0200a8c0@ddr> <158389818579.20020426122450@remedyx.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c1ed5e$6110e350$0200a8c0@ddr>

They keep appearing. I deleted about 30 of them, but left the listname.lock
file, didn't know if it was OK to delete or not. But they are building
again.
Here's what I've done so far.
Ran check_perms, check_db, both OK.

Uh oh! Here it is in the error file, now what???

Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): Traceback (innermost last):
Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 275, in ?
Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681):      self.__write()
Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write
Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681):      fp.close()
Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): IOError :  [Errno 28] No space left on
device
Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): Traceback (innermost last):
Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 275, in ?
Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998):      self.__write()
Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write
Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998):      fp.close()
Apr 26 08:29:01 2002 qrunner(24998): IOError :  [Errno 28] No spaApr 26
08:32:08 2002 (25760) Delivery exception: [Errno $
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 (25760) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process
    mlist.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write
    fp.close()
IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device

Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): Traceback (innermost last):
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):      kids = main(lock)
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 263, in main
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):      mlist.Save()
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):      self.__lock.refresh()
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):      self.__lock.refresh()
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760):      raise NotLockedError
Apr 26 08:32:08 2002 qrunner(25760): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): Traceback (innermost last):
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):      kids = main(lock)
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 247, in main
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):
mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):      self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):      self.__write()
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692):      fp.close()
Apr 26 08:36:11 2002 qrunner(26692): IOError :  [Errno 28] No space left on
device
Apr 26 08:37:05 2002 post(27189): Traceback (innermost last):
post(27189):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 79, in ?
post(27189):      main()
post(27189):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 74, in main
post(27189):      msg.Enqueue(mlist, toadmin=1)
post(27189):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 178, in Enqueue
post(27189):      dbfp.close()
post(27189): IOError :  [Errno 28] No space left on device
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): Traceback (innermost last):
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):      kids = main(lock)
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 247, in main
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):
mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):      self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):      self.__write()
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 352, in __write
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922):      fp.close()
Apr 26 08:37:22 2002 qrunner(26922): IOError :  [Errno 28] No space left on
device
Apr 26 08:38:01 2002 qrunner(27360): Traceback (innermost last):
Apr 26 08:38:01 2002 qrunner(27360):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 275, in ?
Apr 26 08:38:01 2002 qrunner(27360):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
Apr 26 08:38:01 2002 qrunner(27360):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
Apr 26 08:38:01 200Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537): Traceback (innermost
last):
Apr 26 08:38:01 2002 qrunner(27360):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
Apr 26 08:38:01 200Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537): Traceback (innermost
last):
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537):      kids = main(lock)
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 247, in main
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537):
mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537):      self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537):      os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
Apr 26 12:45:54 2002 qrunner(7537): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/locks/cbr900.lock.pro-$
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566): Traceback (innermost last):
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566):      kids = main(lock)
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 247, in main
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566):
mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT)
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566):      self.__lock.lock(timeout)
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 272, in lock
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566):      os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
Apr 26 12:46:21 2002 qrunner(8566): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/locks/cbr900.lock.pro-$


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Thoene" <matt at remedyx.com>
To: "Brian Teal" <bteal at apensity.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!


Hello Brian,

Friday, April 26, 2002, 11:19:18 AM, Brian Teal wrote:

> I need to get into the mailman program to get rid of some of the archives,
> they are pushing the limit of space on my server. However, when I call up
> the login page and fill in my password (which is the correct one) it never
> goes anywhere, it just cyles. Any ideas??
> ASAP!?!
> THANKS!

I've had this problem, and a clearing of the lock files usually does the
trick.  /path/to/mailman/locks

--
Regards,
 Matt                            mailto:matt at remedyx.com



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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From matt at remedyx.com  Fri Apr 26 22:15:23 2002
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:15:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't log in anymore!
In-Reply-To: <00a701c1ed5e$6110e350$0200a8c0@ddr>
References: <20020426160004.30172.75587.Mailman@mail.python.org>
 <002301c1ed4e$e399e430$0200a8c0@ddr> <158389818579.20020426122450@remedyx.com>
 <00a701c1ed5e$6110e350$0200a8c0@ddr>
Message-ID: <45392851700.20020426131523@remedyx.com>

Hello Brian,

Friday, April 26, 2002, 1:10:13 PM, Brian Teal wrote:

> Apr 26 08:28:00 2002 qrunner(24681): IOError :  [Errno 28] No space left on
> device

Bingo...your out of space on the partition that Mailman is using.  Make
some room and the errors go away...

-- 
Regards,
 Matt                            mailto:matt at remedyx.com





From Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL  Fri Apr 26 23:05:03 2002
From: Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL (Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:05:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Message-ID: <6134D6233760B64586B40571833DA6A71FF82F@dasmthfwa001.amedd.army.mil>

Ok, I am also seeing that problem, below is an excerpt from the faq.  I am
using sendmail for my MTA, how would I turn this off on my box? I looked in
README.SENDMAIL and it didn't address it.
Eric


Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing messages. It seems
that if the MTA has trouble resolving DNS for any recipients, qrunner just
gets really slow clearing the queue. Any ideas? 
A. What's likely happening is that your MTA is doing DNS resolution on
recipients for messages delivered locally (i.e. from Mailman to your MTA via
SMTPDirect.py). This is a Bad Thing. You need to turn off synchronous DNS
resolution for messages originating from the local host. 

In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM for
details. Other MTAs have (of course) different parameters and defaults that
control this. First check the README file for your MTA and then consult your
MTA's own documentation. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danny Terweij [mailto:danny at terweij.nl]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:49 AM
> To: jonc at nc.rr.com; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
> 
> 
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > Are messages going out from Mailman?  In otherwords, is 
> qrunner stuck on
> one
> > or two messages?
> 
> Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or 
> something else).
> 
> With ps ax i see :
> 
>  4609 ?        R     41:19 /usr/bin/python -S 
> /var/mailman/cron/qrunner
> 
> Danny.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 23:17:42 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:17:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
Message-ID: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

How is some processing working?

Someone send a mail to the list.
Mailserver received it.
Wrapper handled it and put the message to the qfiles dir.
So far so good here...

qrunner is running..
What does this qrunner script exacly doing with the qfiles dir?
I need to understand some things. 

See my problem i described before on the list. It is now proccessing qfiles files but it is not yet good and fast enough.

I did change the default values to :

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(5)
LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(10)
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(10)
QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(5)
QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 5

With the default values from mailman it processes 1 message from the qfiles dir between 20 and 45 minutes.
Now it is processing 1 message from the qfiles dir between 4 and 10 minutes.

What i want is process all the files at the qfiles dir at once till its empty. So lets say, 50 messages at the qfiles dir is processed in a few minutes, and not 1 message in 10 minutes.. 
There are more incomming messages then qrunner processing for out. The qfiles dir is growing and growing and growing...

I am not talking about sending messages though the MTA. It is just qrunner that us doing nothing while there are so many *.msg/*.db files are to be processed.

I hope i am now clear enough :-)


btw, there are still al lot of *.msg/*.db files more than 4 ours old.. when are these processed?





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From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 23:39:45 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:39:45 +0200
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
Message-ID: <021d01c1ed6a$e23190e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?

Hmm I wonder some thing...

My mailman linux server is behind a firewall.

[internet]
\/
router
\/
MAIN-SERVER (xxx.yyy.com) (A)
\/
MAILMAN SERVER (lnx.xxx.yyy.com) (B)

When some person sends an mail to test at lnx.xxx.yyy.com , the server (A) sends it to (B).
Webpages are get by http://lnx.xxx.yyy.com/ and Apache redirects it on (A) to http://xxx.yyy.com:81/. This last url is port forwarded from the router to http://internal-ip-server(B):80/ 

Outgoing mail from mailman :
SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (sendmail)
Sendmail is configured to not deliver directly but send all mail to server (A). 

DNS master is (A) (outside requests and backup for internal LAN)
DNS slave is (B) (For internal LAN requests)


So i do not think it is an MTA DNS resolving stuff. Maybe i am wrong but all the DNS resolvings at above situation are on Server (A). Because there are the outgoing messages real processed for the internet. I see there the mx lookups and not on server (B).

Danny.




----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:05 PM
  Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?


  Ok, I am also seeing that problem, below is an excerpt from the faq.  I am using sendmail for my MTA, how would I turn this off on my box? I looked in README.SENDMAIL and it didn't address it.

  Eric 



  Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing messages. It seems that if the MTA has trouble resolving DNS for any recipients, qrunner just gets really slow clearing the queue. Any ideas? 

  A. What's likely happening is that your MTA is doing DNS resolution on recipients for messages delivered locally (i.e. from Mailman to your MTA via SMTPDirect.py). This is a Bad Thing. You need to turn off synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host. 

  In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM for details. Other MTAs have (of course) different parameters and defaults that control this. First check the README file for your MTA and then consult your MTA's own documentation. 



  > -----Original Message----- 
  > From: Danny Terweij [mailto:danny at terweij.nl] 
  > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:49 AM 
  > To: jonc at nc.rr.com; mailman-users at python.org 
  > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? 
  > 
  > 
  > From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com> 
  > > Are messages going out from Mailman?  In otherwords, is 
  > qrunner stuck on 
  > one 
  > > or two messages? 
  > 
  > Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or 
  > something else). 
  > 
  > With ps ax i see : 
  > 
  >  4609 ?        R     41:19 /usr/bin/python -S 
  > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner 
  > 
  > Danny. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > ------------------------------------------------------ 
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  > Mailman-Users at python.org 
  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users 
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From nospam at rhianwen.com  Fri Apr 26 23:50:32 2002
From: nospam at rhianwen.com (Tonie)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another new user looking for help
Message-ID: <200204262150.QAA32554@isis.propagation.net>

I've managed to get Mailman 2.0.10 installed, and it looks like everything's okay except for one problem - which cgi handles the creation of new lists, and where does it show what aliases should be put into the /etc/aliases file?  I looked for a cgi called "create", but it is missing.  The list admin cgi's seem to be working fine.  When I used newlist to create a list, the aliases weren't given.

What's wrong here?

Thanks!

Tonie


_______________________________________________________





From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Apr 26 23:59:58 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:59:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another new user looking for help
References: <200204262150.QAA32554@isis.propagation.net>
Message-ID: <023801c1ed6d$b4eaf600$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

Do you not see :

# ./newlist
Enter the name of the list: testlist
Enter the email of the person running the list: me at domain.com
Initial testlist password:
Entry for aliases file:

## testlist mailing list
## created: 26-Apr-2002 root
testlist:                "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"
testlist-admin:          "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist"
testlist-request:        "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist"
testlist-owner:          testlist-admin

Hit enter to continue with testlist owner notification...

Then copy and paste the list stuff to the etc/aliases , save it and run
newaliases

Then the list is working.

Danny.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tonie" <nospam at rhianwen.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:50 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another new user looking for help


> I've managed to get Mailman 2.0.10 installed, and it looks like
everything's okay except for one problem - which cgi handles the creation of
new lists, and where does it show what aliases should be put into the
/etc/aliases file?  I looked for a cgi called "create", but it is missing.
The list admin cgi's seem to be working fine.  When I used newlist to create
a list, the aliases weren't given.
>
> What's wrong here?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tonie
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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>





From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Apr 27 00:21:07 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:21:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <6134D6233760B64586B40571833DA6A71FF832@dasmthfwa001.amedd.army.mil>
Message-ID: <027601c1ed70$a9a0eae0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?I am using 2.0.10

Never tested 2.0.8 fully. Did setup and test the functionality in 2.0.8 and then 2.0.10 came out and upgraded it.
Now i have about 6 lists. many people are subscribed (30-66) and posted kb is between 1k and 4mb .
Mostly around 300kb.

But it costs ages to empty the whole qfiles dir here...

Danny.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS 
  To: 'Danny Terweij' 
  Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:11 AM
  Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?


  What version of mm are you using? I'm using 2.0.9.  Seems like I've heard a lot of people complain about qrunner running slow.  Is it a problem in 2.0.10?
  Eric
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Danny Terweij [mailto:danny at poema.yi.org]
    Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:36 PM
    To: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS; mailman-users at python.org
    Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?


    Hmm I wonder some thing...

    My mailman linux server is behind a firewall.

    [internet]
    \/
    router
    \/
    MAIN-SERVER (xxx.yyy.com) (A)
    \/
    MAILMAN SERVER (lnx.xxx.yyy.com) (B)

    When some person sends an mail to test at lnx.xxx.yyy.com , the server (A) sends it to (B).
    Webpages are get by http://lnx.xxx.yyy.com/ and Apache redirects it on (A) to http://xxx.yyy.com:81/. This last url is port forwarded from the router to http://internal-ip-server(B):80/ 

    Outgoing mail from mailman :
    SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (sendmail)
    Sendmail is configured to not deliver directly but send all mail to server (A). 

    DNS master is (A) (outside requests and backup for internal LAN)
    DNS slave is (B) (For internal LAN requests)


    So i do not think it is an MTA DNS resolving stuff. Maybe i am wrong but all the DNS resolvings at above situation are on Server (A). Because there are the outgoing messages real processed for the internet. I see there the mx lookups and not on server (B).

    Danny.




    ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS 
      To: mailman-users at python.org 
      Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:05 PM
      Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?


      Ok, I am also seeing that problem, below is an excerpt from the faq.  I am using sendmail for my MTA, how would I turn this off on my box? I looked in README.SENDMAIL and it didn't address it.

      Eric 



      Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing messages. It seems that if the MTA has trouble resolving DNS for any recipients, qrunner just gets really slow clearing the queue. Any ideas? 

      A. What's likely happening is that your MTA is doing DNS resolution on recipients for messages delivered locally (i.e. from Mailman to your MTA via SMTPDirect.py). This is a Bad Thing. You need to turn off synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host. 

      In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM for details. Other MTAs have (of course) different parameters and defaults that control this. First check the README file for your MTA and then consult your MTA's own documentation. 



      > -----Original Message----- 
      > From: Danny Terweij [mailto:danny at terweij.nl] 
      > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:49 AM 
      > To: jonc at nc.rr.com; mailman-users at python.org 
      > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? 
      > 
      > 
      > From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com> 
      > > Are messages going out from Mailman?  In otherwords, is 
      > qrunner stuck on 
      > one 
      > > or two messages? 
      > 
      > Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or 
      > something else). 
      > 
      > With ps ax i see : 
      > 
      >  4609 ?        R     41:19 /usr/bin/python -S 
      > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner 
      > 
      > Danny. 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > ------------------------------------------------------ 
      > Mailman-Users mailing list 
      > Mailman-Users at python.org 
      > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users 
      > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 
      > 

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 27 00:30:50 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:30:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS" <Eric.Bueschel@CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL> 
   of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:05:03 CDT." <6134D6233760B64586B40571833DA6A71FF82F@dasmthfwa001.amedd.army.mil> 
References: <6134D6233760B64586B40571833DA6A71FF82F@dasmthfwa001.amedd.army.mil> 
Message-ID: <2101.1019860250@kanga.nu>




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 27 00:34:19 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:34:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Danny Terweij" <danny@terweij.nl> 
   of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:17:42 +0200." <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
Message-ID: <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:17:42 +0200 
Danny Terweij <danny at terweij.nl> wrote:

> qrunner is running..  What does this qrunner script exacly doing with
> the qfiles dir?  I need to understand some things.

> See my problem i described before on the list. It is now proccessing
> qfiles files but it is not yet good and fast enough.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From davew at coyotetechnical.com  Sat Apr 27 00:46:53 2002
From: davew at coyotetechnical.com (Dave Weiner)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:46:53 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20020426174653.13cvsuq@wiley.coyotetechnical.com.coyotetechnical.com>

Greetings to the list!

I'm having a strange problem.  I'm in the process of moving some lists
from a Sparc Solaris 8 host to a Red Hat Linux (Intel) host.  The lists
appear to be functional, users can log in to modify their settings, and
I can log in using the site password that I set after moving the lists. 
However, in tests, the list owner is unable to log in using the admin
password.  I know I can easily reset it, but I'm curious as to the
why's.... when I do bin/dump_db lists/listname/config.db on both
machines, the encrypted owners password is identical.  Is this just a
weirdness?

TIA,

Dave




From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Apr 27 00:55:08 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:55:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>  <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

Please explain where to look? (section, paragraph and so on..)

Every one can say "see/read the FAQ". But i did not see any relevanting on
my questions in the FAQ.

Searching on : qrunner is slow, technical details qrunner, qfiles
And more search strings.

I  got returned:

Mailman FAQ Search Results
No hits.

Danny.

----- Original Message -----
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
To: "Danny Terweij" <danny at terweij.nl>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)


> On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:17:42 +0200
> Danny Terweij <danny at terweij.nl> wrote:
>
> > qrunner is running..  What does this qrunner script exacly doing with
> > the qfiles dir?  I need to understand some things.
>
> > See my problem i described before on the list. It is now proccessing
> > qfiles files but it is not yet good and fast enough.
>
> Please see the FAQ:
>
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> --
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>
>





From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Sat Apr 27 02:17:49 2002
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:17:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
In-Reply-To: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <p05100309b8ef9c5ed758@[216.162.173.6]>

Danny,

Here are some ways I have discovered of making Mailman really painfully slow:

	1) Use Sendmail for your outgoing MTA and have it do DNS checks on
            relayed mail.  Pick an email address out on the net and test it from
	   your Mailman machine with something like 'mail -v
	   youraccount at hotmail.com'.  By the way, turning off DNS checks in
	   sendmail usually makes it an open relay. Yeah!

	2) Have slow or broken DNS.  What happens when you do something like,
	   'nslookup hotmail.com' from your Mailman server?

	3) Leave old lock files lying around in ~mailman/locks/.  This works
	   especially well on really old versions of mailman.

	4) Populate your mailing lists with email addresses from the corners of
	   the earth with the worst connections and shakiest DNS.

Good luck!

	- H

>How is some processing working?
>
>Someone send a mail to the list.
>Mailserver received it.
>Wrapper handled it and put the message to the qfiles dir.
>So far so good here...
>
>qrunner is running..
>What does this qrunner script exacly doing with the qfiles dir?
>I need to understand some things.
>
>See my problem i described before on the list. It is now proccessing 
>qfiles files but it is not yet good and fast enough.
>
>I did change the default values to :
>
>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
>LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(5)
>LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(10)
>QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(10)
>QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(5)
>QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 5
>
>With the default values from mailman it processes 1 message from the 
>qfiles dir between 20 and 45 minutes.
>Now it is processing 1 message from the qfiles dir between 4 and 10 minutes.
>
>What i want is process all the files at the qfiles dir at once till 
>its empty. So lets say, 50 messages at the qfiles dir is processed 
>in a few minutes, and not 1 message in 10 minutes..
>There are more incomming messages then qrunner processing for out. 
>The qfiles dir is growing and growing and growing...
>
>I am not talking about sending messages though the MTA. It is just 
>qrunner that us doing nothing while there are so many *.msg/*.db 
>files are to be processed.
>
>I hope i am now clear enough :-)
>
>
>btw, there are still al lot of *.msg/*.db files more than 4 ours 
>old.. when are these processed?
>
>
>
>
>
>Danny Terweij
>
>


-- 

Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   775-201-4458




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 27 02:32:10 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Danny Terweij" <danny@terweij.nl> 
   of "Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:55:08 +0200." <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu>  <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
Message-ID: <3689.1019867530@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:55:08 +0200 
Danny Terweij <danny at terweij.nl> wrote:

> Please explain where to look? (section, paragraph and so on..)

The FAQ is not that long...

> Every one can say "see/read the FAQ". But i did not see any
> relevanting on my questions in the FAQ.

You're not having a qrunner problem, but an MTA and DNS lookup problem.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From todeanna at mis.net  Fri Apr 26 19:45:57 2002
From: todeanna at mis.net (Tod and Deanna Mascle)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:45:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {SPAMFILTER} Unsubscribe problems
Message-ID: <002201c1ed4a$39332320$113e1cce@8tjp801>

I seem to have a lot of people who have email programs that mailman doesn't like at least when it comes to unsubscribing--mine included!  Many can subscribe via email without a problem but there doesn't seem to be an easy way to unsubscribe because the e-mail method always generates problems.  I've been manually unsubscribing people but it is time-consuming and folks get irritated because mailman won't handle it.  Is there some magic formula I'm missing?  Currently using listname-request at domain.com?subject=unsubscribe format.

Thanks,
Deanna

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From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Apr 27 02:50:45 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:50:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-)
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <p05100309b8ef9c5ed758@[216.162.173.6]>
Message-ID: <030e01c1ed85$9102d600$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Harold Paulson" <haroldp at sierraweb.com>
> Danny,

Hi Paul.

> Here are some ways I have discovered of making Mailman really painfully
slow:
>
> 1) Use Sendmail for your outgoing MTA and have it do DNS checks on
>             relayed mail.  Pick an email address out on the net and test
it from
>    your Mailman machine with something like 'mail -v
>    youraccount at hotmail.com'.  By the way, turning off DNS checks in
>    sendmail usually makes it an open relay. Yeah!

[root at lnx root]# mail -v xxx at hotmail.com
Subject: Test
Cc:
xxx at hotmail.com... Connecting to xx.xx.xx. via relay...
220 xx.xx.xx Ready for action (Mailtraq 1.1.6.1177/SMTP)
>>> EHLO lnx.xx.xx.xx
250 xx.xx.xx
>>> MAIL From:<root at lnx.xx.xx.xx>
250 receiving from root at lnx.xx.xx.xx
>>> RCPT To:<xxx at hotmail.com>
250 will send to xxx at hotmail.com
>>> DATA
354 send the message, terminate with "."
>>> .
250 received the message, thanks
xx at hotmail.com... Sent (received the message, thanks)
Closing connection to xx.xx.xx.
>>> QUIT
221 have a nice day (SMTP Closing)
[root at lnx root]#

Very fast. No problem here.

> 2) Have slow or broken DNS.  What happens when you do something like,
>    'nslookup hotmail.com' from your Mailman server?

[root at lnx root]# nslookup hotmail.com
Note:  nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases.
Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead.  Run nslookup with
the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing.
Server:         192.168.0.1
Address:        192.168.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   hotmail.com
Address: 64.4.54.7
Name:   hotmail.com
Address: 64.4.43.7
Name:   hotmail.com
Address: 64.4.44.7
Name:   hotmail.com
Address: 64.4.45.7
Name:   hotmail.com
Address: 64.4.52.7
Name:   hotmail.com
Address: 64.4.53.7

[root at lnx root]#

And with dig :

[root at lnx root]# dig hotmail.com

; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> hotmail.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24642
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 6, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 4

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;hotmail.com.                   IN      A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      A       64.4.54.7
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      A       64.4.43.7
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      A       64.4.44.7
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      A       64.4.45.7
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      A       64.4.52.7
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      A       64.4.53.7

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      NS      ns1.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      NS      ns2.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      NS      ns3.hotmail.com.
hotmail.com.            3600    IN      NS      ns4.hotmail.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns1.hotmail.com.        3600    IN      A       216.200.206.140
ns2.hotmail.com.        3600    IN      A       216.200.206.139
ns3.hotmail.com.        3600    IN      A       209.185.130.68
ns4.hotmail.com.        3600    IN      A       64.4.29.24

;; Query time: 189 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.0.1#53(192.168.0.1)
;; WHEN: Sat Apr 27 02:48:49 2002
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 261

[root at lnx root]#

Is this good or bad?


> 3) Leave old lock files lying around in ~mailman/locks/.  This works
>    especially well on really old versions of mailman.

No old lock files there.

> 4) Populate your mailing lists with email addresses from the corners of
>    the earth with the worst connections and shakiest DNS.

:-) I am in holland and only dutch and some belgium people subscribed.
So no strange corners here also :-)


> Good luck!

> >I did change the default values to :
> >
> >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
> >LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(5)
> >LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(10)
> >QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = minutes(10)
> >QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = minutes(5)
> >QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 5

But are these fine or not? What are good value's?


Danny.







From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Apr 27 03:07:42 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:07:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu>  <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>  <3689.1019867530@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <031601c1ed87$eec2db80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>

> > Please explain where to look? (section, paragraph and so on..)

> The FAQ is not that long...

Nope, just read almost all but no answers :-(

> > Every one can say "see/read the FAQ". But i did not see any
> > relevanting on my questions in the FAQ.

> You're not having a qrunner problem, but an MTA and DNS lookup problem.

My question is , what are the technical details of qrunner?
>From starting qrunner till sending out the message.

Then i maybe got the working of qrunner. Now i do not see any clue why
MTA/DNS is related to picking up a message from the qfiles dir.

My vision on qrunner :
Heyyy i have got a new file in the qfile dir. lets doing something with it.
When finished that mail.. lets check if there is another.. yeah i found
another one.. lets do something with it... lets see. hmmzz. nothing
left..EXIT. In meanwhile when nothing is there and qrunner did exit its
proc, crontab starts every minute qrunner. When nothing found.. exit. When
found files.. start the whole process again.
(So i see it)

So if anyone can me explain how it is working then i am happy.

For now i do not think it is an MTA/DNS problem, but qrunner is the problem.
It sits there in memory and is doing nothing at all. (besides checking
between 4 and 10 minutes the qfiles dir).

Why is every minute the qrunner logfile files with :
Apr 25 02:00:15 2002 (10140) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:01:09 2002 (10203) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:02:11 2002 (10239) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:03:09 2002 (10251) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:04:09 2002 (10260) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:05:20 2002 (10270) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:06:09 2002 (10348) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:07:10 2002 (10384) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:08:09 2002 (10396) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:09:09 2002 (10404) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:10:23 2002 (10415) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:12:11 2002 (10520) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:13:09 2002 (10530) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:14:07 2002 (10534) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:15:17 2002 (10543) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:16:11 2002 (10605) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:17:09 2002 (10642) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:18:09 2002 (10646) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:19:08 2002 (10650) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:20:14 2002 (10664) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:21:10 2002 (10727) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:22:08 2002 (10770) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:23:08 2002 (10774) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Apr 25 02:24:08 2002 (10778) Could not acquire qrunner lock

This costs me lots of hard drive space for useless information.
Is it a faillure?

Danny.







From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 27 03:24:37 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:24:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Danny Terweij" <danny@terweij.nl> 
   of "Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:07:42 +0200." <031601c1ed87$eec2db80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu> <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <3689.1019867530@kanga.nu>  <031601c1ed87$eec2db80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
Message-ID: <4567.1019870677@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:07:42 +0200 
Danny Terweij <danny at terweij.nl> wrote:
> From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>

>> You're not having a qrunner problem, but an MTA and DNS lookup
>> problem.

> My question is, what are the technical details of qrunner?

Not much really, for the bit you're interested in it iterates across the
qfiles directory taking each message in turn and processing/delivering
it appropriately.  There's little magic or mystery there -- look at the
source -- its quite trivial.

> Then i maybe got the working of qrunner. Now i do not see any clue why
> MTA/DNS is related to picking up a message from the qfiles dir.

Sure -- again, read the FAQ, and read the archives of this list.

The basic story is that sendmail (which I recommend you move away from)
is not accepting each address handed to it on a RCPT TO until it has
done a DNS verify against the domain.  This is slow.  It is especially
slow if you don't have a local cacheing name server.  Even if you do it
is slow.  If name resolution is broken or poorly set up on your machine
it can take up to 2 minutes per address just to attempt the name
resolution.

Summary: Install a cacheing name server and configure your MTA to not do
DNS verifies on RCPT TOs.  This is covered clearly and in great detail
in the FAQ.

> My vision on qrunner : Heyyy i have got a new file in the qfile
> dir. lets doing something with it.  When finished that mail.. lets
> check if there is another.. yeah i found another one.. lets do
> something with it... lets see. hmmzz. nothing left..EXIT. In meanwhile
> when nothing is there and qrunner did exit its proc, crontab starts
> every minute qrunner. When nothing found.. exit. When found
> files.. start the whole process again.  (So i see it)

Right.

> For now i do not think it is an MTA/DNS problem, but qrunner is the
> problem.  It sits there in memory and is doing nothing at
> all. (besides checking between 4 and 10 minutes the qfiles dir).

<sigh>

> This costs me lots of hard drive space for useless information.  Is it
> a faillure?

No, a warning.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Apr 27 03:37:58 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:37:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu> <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <3689.1019867530@kanga.nu>  <031601c1ed87$eec2db80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>  <4567.1019870677@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <033c01c1ed8c$298263e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

----- Original Message -----
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>

> > Then i maybe got the working of qrunner. Now i do not see any clue why
> > MTA/DNS is related to picking up a message from the qfiles dir.

> Sure -- again, read the FAQ, and read the archives of this list.

> The basic story is that sendmail (which I recommend you move away from)
> is not accepting each address handed to it on a RCPT TO until it has
> done a DNS verify against the domain.  This is slow.  It is especially
> slow if you don't have a local cacheing name server.  Even if you do it
> is slow.  If name resolution is broken or poorly set up on your machine
> it can take up to 2 minutes per address just to attempt the name
> resolution.
>
> Summary: Install a cacheing name server and configure your MTA to not do
> DNS verifies on RCPT TOs.  This is covered clearly and in great detail
> in the FAQ.

You are reffering to :

       /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \
               -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=NNNN,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1
?

And i use :

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
# SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = '127.0.0.1'
SMTPPORT = 25

127.0.0.1 is sendmail.
This is doing the DNS lookups?
Can i just do SMTPHOST = '192.168.0.1' witch is another SMTP server at my
LAN (windows 2000 server with Mailtraq )?
Is it then not using sendmail and DNS troubles at all?

> > My vision on qrunner : Heyyy i have got a new file in the qfile
[cut]
> Right.

Thank you.

> > This costs me lots of hard drive space for useless information.  Is it
> > a faillure?

> No, a warning.

What are the actions to prevent it?
So this file must be in normal operation empty?


Danny.





From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 27 04:31:57 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:31:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Danny Terweij" <danny@terweij.nl> 
   of "Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:37:58 +0200." <033c01c1ed8c$298263e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu> <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <3689.1019867530@kanga.nu> <031601c1ed87$eec2db80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <4567.1019870677@kanga.nu>  <033c01c1ed8c$298263e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> 
Message-ID: <5652.1019874717@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:37:58 +0200 
Danny Terweij <danny at terweij.nl> wrote:

> You are reffering to :

>        /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \
> -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=NNNN,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 ?

That's one possible address, tho not one I'm fond of.

> And i use :

> DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' # SMTP host and port, when
> DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = '127.0.0.1' SMTPPORT = 25

> 127.0.0.1 is sendmail.  This is doing the DNS lookups?  

Note that NNN above is not 25.

In the case that you are running against a reasonably default Sendmail
setup, yes, sendmail will be calling gethostbyname() and other
sillinesses during the SMTP transaction.  Do an strace to see.

> Can i just do SMTPHOST = '192.168.0.1' witch is another SMTP server at
> my LAN (windows 2000 server with Mailtraq )?  Is it then not using
> sendmail and DNS troubles at all?

1) Yes.

2) No, it won't use your local MTA at all.

3) That depends on the configuration of your other MTA (I don't know or
use Microsoft tools and so can't answer there).

> What are the actions to prevent it?  So this file must be in normal
> operation empty?

Get your mail system fast enough that deliveries are able to happen
before new instances of qrunner are spawned.

  Note: I run several multi-thousand subscriber lists and I have no lock
  contention.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 27 04:50:59 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:50:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
In-Reply-To: Message from J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> 
   of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:31:57 PDT." <5652.1019874717@kanga.nu> 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu> <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <3689.1019867530@kanga.nu> <031601c1ed87$eec2db80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <4567.1019870677@kanga.nu> <033c01c1ed8c$298263e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>  <5652.1019874717@kanga.nu> 
Message-ID: <5792.1019875859@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:31:57 -0700 
J C Lawrence <J> wrote:

> Note: I run several multi-thousand subscriber lists and I have no lock
> contention.

Minor stats:

  On a not very chunky system (PII-333) running a fairly untuned postfix
  can reliably sustain 1400 remote deliveries per minute (its actually a
  pretty stock Debian/testing install). The same system, which has a
  reasonable but not great IO chain (F/W SCSI III, single partition for
  /var which also holds /var/logs), can reliably spool (for remote
  delivery) in excess of 8,000 messages per minute (ie discrete SMTP
  transactions, not just RCPT TO's).  I don't know if it can do more or
  what the actual top value is as I've not tried to find it and I've not
  had enough traffic to sustain loads at that level long enough.

  Note: Qrunner in 2.0 won't sustain that rate of spool entries as it is
  single threaded.  I've created and sustained that level in previous
  tests running local custom qrunner variants against a hashed/split
  qfiles directory and thus plexing Postfix that way.

You've talked previously of lists with low double digit numbers of
subscribers, and of having what you insist are qrunner performance
problems at that level.

Again, qrunner is not your problem.  An i486-33 with a bad IDE IO chain
can easily, trivially, reliably sustain 20+ SMTP transactions (spool or
remote delivery) per minute (I've done this).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Apr 27 07:58:08 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:58:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20020426174653.13cvsuq@wiley.coyotetechnical.com.coyotetechnical.com>
Message-ID: <B8EF8C00.2D7D2%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

You probably updated either the version of python or the version of mailman,
right? There was a change made to the encrpytion to close a security hole.
Side effect is the old encrypted passwords no longer work.

So you need to reset the passwords for the lists.


On 4/26/02 3:46 PM, "Dave Weiner" <davew at coyotetechnical.com> wrote:

> appear to be functional, users can log in to modify their settings, and
> I can log in using the site password that I set after moving the lists.
> However, in tests, the list owner is unable to log in using the admin
> password.  I know I can easily reset it, but I'm curious as to the

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet:
    And they all died happily ever after





From danny at terweij.nl  Sat Apr 27 10:39:08 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:39:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still want it faster :-) 
References: <01dc01c1ed67$cd7fbe40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <2161.1019860459@kanga.nu> <028f01c1ed75$6a0d5620$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <3689.1019867530@kanga.nu> <031601c1ed87$eec2db80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <4567.1019870677@kanga.nu>  <033c01c1ed8c$298263e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>  <5652.1019874717@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <03bd01c1edc6$ffb5da20$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>

> On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:37:58 +0200
> Danny Terweij <danny at terweij.nl> wrote:

> > You are reffering to :
>
> >        /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \
> > -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=NNNN,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 ?
>
> That's one possible address, tho not one I'm fond of.
>
> > And i use :
>
> > DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' # SMTP host and port, when
> > DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = '127.0.0.1' SMTPPORT = 25
>
> > 127.0.0.1 is sendmail.  This is doing the DNS lookups?
>
> Note that NNN above is not 25.


I did implement above.(started sendmail with port 250 and SMTPPORT = 250)
Still same result. processing 1 message between 4-10 minutes.
Then i did SMTPHOST = '192.162.0.1' SMTPPORT = 25 .... No results. also
slow.

** Now i am stuck with it, i am sure when i install exim or postfix it will
be slow also. **

My System :
[root at lnx root]# free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:         94120      91832       2288          4       2292      12052
-/+ buffers/cache:      77488      16632
Swap:       192772      54628     138144
[root at lnx root]#

Pentium 120
RH 7.2 (No GUI).
2x 40Gb HD , 7200RPM IDE

Stats :
 10:42am  up 21 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.64, 1.17, 0.87
70 processes: 68 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 42.4% user,  4.8% system,  0.0% nice, 52.7% idle
Mem:    94120K av,   56748K used,   37372K free,       4K shrd,    2684K
buff
Swap:  192772K av,   29868K used,  162904K free                   37316K
cached



Danny.






From peet at infosite.ru  Sat Apr 27 12:33:10 2002
From: peet at infosite.ru (Peter V. Saveliev)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:33:10 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman newbie
Message-ID: <20020427143310.0934bb70.peet@infosite.ru>

Hello!

I've just installed mailman on freeBSD 2.2.7, and I've got some
questions.

1) -----------------------------------------

su-2.00# ./mmsitepass 
New Password: (123)
Again to confirm password: (123)
Password change failed.

su-2.00# cat /var/mailman/data/adm.pw 
$1$OZ$gxdQsg5Vid78rN6.pc6hZ1
(it's 123 ;))

and when I create new list, I type 123 as password, and I cannot login
through web-interface: Authetication failed. There are no errors in
httpd.errors.log

What I'm doing wrong?

2) -----------------------------------------

How I can transform majordomo lists of recipients to mailman lists?



Thanks, Peter.

PS: sorry my bad english.




From jonas at freesources.org  Sat Apr 27 14:52:11 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:52:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no answers to my questions
Message-ID: <20020427125211.GA1048@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

I asked several questions, and I never got an answer.
Now my question: Why? Are these questions to hard (better in devel-list) or to
FAQ, or with too little information or what?
Because all questions are very important for me.
I everytime give a sencefull subject, but other mails without any subject get
10-20 responses. Why?

My last mails:
[Mailman-Users] virtualhost-depended listinfo/admin -lists (24 April)
Setting up lists without user-passwords (4 April)
Not able to compile mailman2.1b1 (2 April, already fixed)

Thanks
   Jonas
   
-- 
On the 8th day, god created Linux.




From macnut at macnuthome.com  Sat Apr 27 15:32:34 2002
From: macnut at macnuthome.com (Victor Daniel the MacNut)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:32:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is Not Responding
Message-ID: <20020427093234.B14322@macnuthome.com>

Hello,
I'm new to this list and new to Mailman. I installed Mailman on a Debian box with exim as the MTA (mail server). I get the listinfo and list admin pages up, but any attempt to subscribe via the web form produces no result: no subscription confirmation message, any attempt to send to the list address results in a "no such user" bounce, etc.

What's up? Why do my subscription requests via the web form seem to go into a black hole?
Any ideas?

The MacNut
http://www.macnuthome.com




From katsu at sra.co.jp  Sat Apr 27 15:56:58 2002
From: katsu at sra.co.jp (WATANABE Katsuhiro)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:56:58 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list affects Reply-To: and pipermail is confused
Message-ID: <20020427225658J.katsu@sra.co.jp>

If you set reply_goes_to_list option to 1(set Reply-To: back to
the list), pipermail archiver is confused because Reply-To: field
has the list address itself while pipermail expects Reply-To: has
the original poster's address.

I agree, its yet another reason to avoid setting reply_goes_to_list
option to 1. As for me, the most preferrable solution is modifying
$prefix/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py to care reply_goes_to_list
option when pipermail refers Reply-To: field. At least, it would be
fair if the above pipermail's behavior were mentioned somewhere
in the documentation.

I checked on Mailman-2.0.8.
-- 
WATANABE Katsuhiro.
Software Research Associates, Inc.




From nb at thinkcoach.com  Sat Apr 27 17:15:35 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:15:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another list for list-admins?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204262154170.1416-100000@localhost.localdomain>
	(message from Frederick Noronha on Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:55:30 +0530
	(IST))
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204262154170.1416-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200204271515.g3RFFZU03199@quill.local>

Frederick Noronha <fred at bytesforall.org> wrote:

> This list seems to be more of a technical list for people setting-up and
> maintaining Mailman. Is there some list where non-tech people like me
> could share simple ideas on how to get the most of Mailman's features?

I'm pretty sure that there's no such list (specific to Mailman)
yet, so I'm creating one.... it'll get its own domain name
listowner.org and it'll have a policy that through the act of
posting, contributions are placed under GNU Free Documentation
License (so that it will possible to use posted texts e.g. in a
"Mailman List-Owner's Manual").

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com




From katsu at sra.co.jp  Sat Apr 27 17:50:19 2002
From: katsu at sra.co.jp (WATANABE Katsuhiro)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:50:19 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail cannot parse Date: correctly
Message-ID: <20020428005019I.katsu@sra.co.jp>

Pipermail cannot recognize Date: field like
    Date: Wed,3 Apr 2002 14:58:26 +0800
correctly, though it understands
    Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:58:26 +0800
perfectly. Remember that RFC2822 says a space(FWS) at the head of
"date" is optional, not mandatory:
> date-time       =       [ day-of-week "," ] date FWS time [CFWS]
> date            =       day month year
> day             =       ([FWS] 1*2DIGIT) / obs-day

You can notice the symptom of this bug when you browse date.html in
the pipermail archive and find some messages posted on 3rd Apr are
at the tail of the date-sorted list of April.

Precisely speaking, the problem is inherited from
$prefix/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py . I've checked on Mailman 2.0.8.
-- 
WATANABE Katsuhiro
Software Research Associates, Inc.





From fred at bytesforall.org  Sat Apr 27 18:41:54 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:11:54 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another list for list-admins?
In-Reply-To: <200204271515.g3RFFZU03199@quill.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204272210510.727-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Great! I'd like to be part of that list. If I could help in any way
(including volunteering time), let me know.
 _____             _           _      _
|  ___| __ ___  __| | ___ _ __(_) ___| | __   Freelance Journo, Goa India
| |_ | '__/ _ \/ _` |/ _ \ '__| |/ __| |/ /   linuxinindia.pitas.com
|  _|| | |  __/ (_| |  __/ |  | | (__|   <    www.bytesforall.org
|_|  |_|  \___|\__,_|\___|_|  |_|\___|_|\_\   opennews.indianissues.org
--
Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783
Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference


On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Norbert Bollow wrote:


> Frederick Noronha <fred at bytesforall.org> wrote:
> 
> > This list seems to be more of a technical list for people setting-up and
> > maintaining Mailman. Is there some list where non-tech people like me
> > could share simple ideas on how to get the most of Mailman's features?
> 
> I'm pretty sure that there's no such list (specific to Mailman)
> yet, so I'm creating one.... it'll get its own domain name
> listowner.org and it'll have a policy that through the act of
> posting, contributions are placed under GNU Free Documentation
> License (so that it will possible to use posted texts e.g. in a
> "Mailman List-Owner's Manual").
> 
> Greetings, Norbert.
> 
> 





From barry at zope.com  Sat Apr 27 18:35:43 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 12:35:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and large lists
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10204261358320.8749-100000@waal.occasio.net>
	<200204261622.g3QGMZ228947@quill.local>
Message-ID: <15562.54111.885260.384107@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "NB" == Norbert Bollow <nb at thinkcoach.com> writes:

    >> Just to warn you when importing e-mail addresses: there is a
    >> bug which causes Mailman to loop if an imported address
    >> contains a & (we had this problem when changing from majordomo
    >> to mailman lists and no solution has been provided as yet)

    NB> As the problem seems to have come from the '&' being
    NB> interpreted as a shell metacharacter, I suspect that this
    NB> problem can happen only if one uses Sendmail.py instead of
    NB> SMTPDirect.py ...

    NB> (Is this correct?)

I believe so.
-Barry




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 27 19:44:53 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:44:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no answers to my questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jonas Meurer <jonas@freesources.org> 
   of "Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:52:11 +0200." <20020427125211.GA1048@jonas.server0.de> 
References: <20020427125211.GA1048@jonas.server0.de> 
Message-ID: <14848.1019929493@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:52:11 +0200 
Jonas Meurer <jonas at freesources.org> wrote:

> I asked several questions, and I never got an answer.  

Nobody has an obligation to answer.  In general, people answer those
questions that either interest them or which they have experience with.
Questions that are FAQs tend to not get answered.

> Setting up lists without user-passwords (4 April)

This BTW is a FAQ (per subject).

I won't comment further on them as they're no longer in my spool.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Apr 27 19:46:38 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:46:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is Not Responding 
In-Reply-To: Message from Victor Daniel the MacNut <macnut@macnuthome.com> 
   of "Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:32:34 EDT." <20020427093234.B14322@macnuthome.com> 
References: <20020427093234.B14322@macnuthome.com> 
Message-ID: <14880.1019929598@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:32:34 -0400 
Victor Daniel the MacNut <macnut at macnuthome.com> wrote:

> Hello, I'm new to this list and new to Mailman. I installed Mailman on
> a Debian box with exim as the MTA (mail server). I get the listinfo
> and list admin pages up, but any attempt to subscribe via the web form
> produces no result: no subscription confirmation message, any attempt
> to send to the list address results in a "no such user" bounce, etc.

> What's up? Why do my subscription requests via the web form seem to go
> into a black hole?  Any ideas?

Check the contents of /var/log/mailman and /var/log/exim.  Without
knowing what is being logged, its difficult to diagnose.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sat Apr 27 23:57:59 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in chroot environment
In-Reply-To: <iss.46e3.3cc51cb7.62834.1@feddefa.fr.socgen.com>
References: <iss.46e3.3cc51cb7.62834.1@feddefa.fr.socgen.com>
Message-ID: <20020427215758.GK12548@merlins.org>

On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:34:34AM +0200, CONTRAIRE M DsigTcs wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> I am trying to setup mailman in a chroot environment.
> It doesn't work and I am wondering if it's possible at all.
  
It  is possible,  you can  run anything  in a  chroot environment. For  that
matter, you  can install  Red Hat inside  a Debian system  or the  other way
around.

It's  just  a   matter  of  copying  "enough"  things   inside  your  chroot
environment,  which  includes part  of  /dev,  /etc,  your web  server.  and
probably the incoming part of your mail software.

It is going to be a lot of work and it's probably going to provide you with
very little benefit.
Also, if you wonder how you should be doing all this, it probably means that
yoy shouldn't be doing it (unless it's purely to learn)
  
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From ianpurdie at integritynet.com.au  Sun Apr 28 01:40:37 2002
From: ianpurdie at integritynet.com.au (Ian C. Purdie)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:40:37 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another list for list-admins?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204262154170.1416-100000@localhost.localdomain> <200204271515.g3RFFZU03199@quill.local>
Message-ID: <3CCB36F5.B7EF00F3@integritynet.com.au>

Norbert Bollow wrote:

> Frederick Noronha <fred at bytesforall.org> wrote:
>
> > This list seems to be more of a technical list for people setting-up and
> > maintaining Mailman. Is there some list where non-tech people like me
> > could share simple ideas on how to get the most of Mailman's features?
>
> I'm pretty sure that there's no such list (specific to Mailman)
> yet, so I'm creating one.... it'll get its own domain name
> listowner.org and it'll have a policy that through the act of
> posting, contributions are placed under GNU Free Documentation
> License (so that it will possible to use posted texts e.g. in a
> "Mailman List-Owner's Manual").

Excellent idea Norbert.

I can't speak for others but I'm certain a great many Mailman users must be in
the same position as myself. My host runs and maintains Mailman. Hence most
topics on this list tend to be inapplicable.

I had been hoping to see answers to questions such as:

1.  Using the Mailman Web interface, all I and others have access to, how do we
create a newsletter list i.e. I'm the only poster, everyone else being a
recipient.

2.  How can I apply strip mime selectively to my news group list? Other people
with my host using Mailman want to retain the HTML feature.

My problem principally is that with our news group [separate from 1 above], many
subscribers use their place of employment [work related topics] to receive email
and, those work places complain loudly about receiving HTML mail and bounce it.

Ian C. Purdie
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/







From embrey at hood.edu  Sun Apr 28 03:40:18 2002
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:40:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when running check_perms
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020427213859.021ffdb8@hermes.hood.edu>

I currently have a RedHat 7.2 with mailman 2.0.8-1 installed. I have 
several lists installed and they are functioning fine. I am getting some 
errors in the cron jobs relating to qrunner and several others. I decided 
to run check_perms to verify all the perms were correct. Here is the output 
from that command:

[root at helios mailman]# bin/check_perms -f
Traceback (innermost last):
File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

Mailman has a user account UID of 41and group account GID of 41. What does 
this error mean and how do I correct it?
Bruce Embrey


Bruce Edward Embrey : VMS /Linux Systems Manager /Campus Email Admin :
Hood College : embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 : Fax (301)696-3913






From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sun Apr 28 04:30:03 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:30:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Valid Characters
Message-ID: <20020427193003.61d4d2d4.raquel@thericehouse.net>

Please forgive my ignorance.  I'm a new Mailman administrator,
having just installed version 2.0.10 yesterday.  I'm wondering what
the valid characters are for list names (using newlist)?  Thank you!

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
If we value the pursuit of knowledge, we must be free to follow
wherever that search may lead us.  The free mind is not a barking
dog, to be tethered on a ten-foot chain.
  --Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.

                              
                              




From andross at ghettobox.dhs.org  Sat Apr 27 20:35:42 2002
From: andross at ghettobox.dhs.org (Andross)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:35:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {SPAMFILTER} Unsubscribe problems
In-Reply-To: <002201c1ed4a$39332320$113e1cce@8tjp801>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204271132200.2720-100000@ghettobox.dhs.org>

I found this site helps
http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm

unfortunately his persmissions are WRONG! don't set your unsubscribe
script perms 755 instead use 750 (not world readable), and then chgrp
it to group 'list' or whatever group you run mailman as.

I use this for my email list and I set the reply-to to be the remove addy.
It's an announcement list, so all replies go to the proper place to
unsubscribe.


On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Tod and Deanna Mascle wrote:

> I seem to have a lot of people who have email programs that mailman
> doesn't like at least when it comes to unsubscribing--mine included!
> Many can subscribe via email without a problem but there doesn't seem
> to be an easy way to unsubscribe because the e-mail method always
> generates problems.  I've been manually unsubscribing people but it is
> time-consuming and folks get irritated because mailman won't handle
> it.  Is there some magic formula I'm missing?  Currently using
> listname-request at domain.com?subject=unsubscribe format.






From andross at ghettobox.dhs.org  Sat Apr 27 20:54:52 2002
From: andross at ghettobox.dhs.org (Andross)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is Not Responding
In-Reply-To: <20020427093234.B14322@macnuthome.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204271140350.2720-100000@ghettobox.dhs.org>

As the other user said, check your logs (perhaps /var/log/exim/mainlogs)

did you copy the stuff from here:
/usr/share/doc/mailman/README.EXIM.gz
into your exim.config?

that fixed it for me...


Also... I gave up trying to get mailman from Potato to work and used the
Woody version (mailman 2.0.9), this required recompiling and installing
dpkg, suidmanager, and sysvinit all from woody: (apt-get source NAME, cd
NAME-ver, dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc, then install the deb)


On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Victor Daniel the MacNut wrote:

> I'm new to this list and new to Mailman. I installed Mailman on a
> Debian box with exim as the MTA (mail server). I get the listinfo and
> list admin pages up, but any attempt to subscribe via the web form
> produces no result: no subscription confirmation message, any attempt
> to send to the list address results in a "no such user" bounce, etc.
>
> What's up? Why do my subscription requests via the web form seem to go
> into a black hole? Any ideas?





From jonas at freesources.org  Sun Apr 28 15:31:38 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:31:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no answers to my questions
In-Reply-To: <14848.1019929493@kanga.nu>
References: <20020427125211.GA1048@jonas.server0.de> <14848.1019929493@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20020428133138.GA3604@jonas.server0.de>

On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 10:44:53AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > I asked several questions, and I never got an answer.  
> 
> Nobody has an obligation to answer.  In general, people answer those
> questions that either interest them or which they have experience with.
> Questions that are FAQs tend to not get answered.

I didn't say that anyone has an obligation. I just want to know if I make
s.th. wrong.

> > Setting up lists without user-passwords (4 April)
> 
> This BTW is a FAQ (per subject).
> 
> I won't comment further on them as they're no longer in my spool.

I did find it, but this FAQ-entry says really nothing!

Bye 
 Jonas

-- 
Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue...




From barry at zope.com  Sun Apr 28 18:30:36 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:30:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another list for list-admins?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204262154170.1416-100000@localhost.localdomain>
	<200204271515.g3RFFZU03199@quill.local>
	<3CCB36F5.B7EF00F3@integritynet.com.au>
Message-ID: <15564.9132.171847.365312@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "ICP" == Ian C Purdie <ianpurdie at integritynet.com.au> writes:

    ICP> I had been hoping to see answers to questions such as:

    ICP> 1.  Using the Mailman Web interface, all I and others have
    ICP> access to, how do we create a newsletter list i.e. I'm the
    ICP> only poster, everyone else being a recipient.

    ICP> 2.  How can I apply strip mime selectively to my news group
    ICP> list? Other people with my host using Mailman want to retain
    ICP> the HTML feature.

Personally, I think both of these items are on-topic for
mailman-users.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Apr 28 18:33:15 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:33:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when running check_perms
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020427213859.021ffdb8@hermes.hood.edu>
Message-ID: <15564.9291.643062.340616@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BE" == Bruce Embrey <embrey at hood.edu> writes:

    BE> I currently have a RedHat 7.2 with mailman 2.0.8-1
    BE> installed. I have several lists installed and they are
    BE> functioning fine. I am getting some errors in the cron jobs
    BE> relating to qrunner and several others. I decided to run
    BE> check_perms to verify all the perms were correct. Here is the
    BE> output from that command:

    | [root at helios mailman]# bin/check_perms -f
    | Traceback (innermost last):
    | File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
    | MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
    | TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

    BE> Mailman has a user account UID of 41and group account GID of
    BE> 41. What does this error mean and how do I correct it?  Bruce
    BE> Embrey

It probably means your MAILMAN_GID is set to a string instead of an
integer.  Are you sure you did

    MAILMAN_GID = 41

instead of

    MAILMAN_GID = '41'

?
-Barry




From valites at geneseo.edu  Sun Apr 28 21:01:50 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:01:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pushing through a single digest message ahead of time
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204281456180.14027-100000@helios.geneseo.edu>

Due to some unfortuneate circumstances this past week at my place of
employment, some of the administration wanted to push out a single message
that was sent to a list completely composed of digest members.  To say
there have been a few different problems on my mail server this last week
would be an understatement.  For those reason, I did not want to push out
all of the queued digest messages like the cronjob does.  Is there a way
to push the digest to a single list?  Or even better, just a single
message of that digest to the individual list?

>--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
585-245-5577
585-259-3471 (Cell)





From danny at terweij.nl  Sun Apr 28 22:57:28 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:57:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Summary, whats next?
Message-ID: <010001c1eef7$4ebfa5c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

Hello,

Still no success of fast processing the qfiles dir.

WITH DEFAULT MAILMAN VALUES at Default.py file

I did do the following :
Using SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (Normal Sendmail)
Using SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 250 (Sendmail no DNS resolving
according the FAQ)
Using SMTPDirect module to 192.168.0.1 port 25 (Another SMTP server running
on windows 2000)
Using Sendmail module

All  methods are the same results. qrunner is processing just 1 message at
the time and the next message at the qfiles dir is processed about 10
minutes later.

So qrunner is processing the qfiles dir for about 10 messages in 1 hour.
Because there are more than 10 messages comming in .. the qfiles dir is
growing and growing.

Now you may tell me what i now can try to make qrunner faster processing.

Mailman 2.0.10
Pentium 120, 96Mb ram
2x40gb HDD
Redhat 7.2

Greetings,
Danny Terweij







From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Apr 29 00:33:09 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:33:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Summary, whats next?
In-Reply-To: <010001c1eef7$4ebfa5c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
References: <010001c1eef7$4ebfa5c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <200204282230.SAA01873@salsa.haht.com>

Try creating a test list in your /etc/aliases on the box (non-local email 
addresses) and send to the list. Monitor the queue while you are doing it.  
Does this list move out quickly?  How does the speed compare with qrunner 
handling a Mailman list?

I'm guessing that either your sendmail is having some weird timout, or that 
you box is too heavily loaded with other processes...

What does "top" give you when you look at it?  How much processor is 
available? How much memory is being used?  Is it swapping alot?

How big is your Swap on your box?  How much of your swap are you using while 
sending to a list?

Are you running your box in Run Level 3 or in Run Level 5 (graphical user 
interface)?  Please run it in 3 - your machine is fairly under powered for RH 
7.2 so it is not going to be able to handle Run Level 5 very quickly.

Have you updated your kernel from the default install:
   up2date -f -i kernel, kernel-headers

How much space do you have on your box - are any of the filesystems running 
low on space?
   df -h

Of key importance for space is the /var area used to handle the mail queue.

Since Mailman in general runs extremely fast - even on low processor boxes, I 
would focus on your system and its load to see if the bottle neck is there.

Good Luck 
 --- Original Message: Sunday 28 April 2002 04:57 pm ---
> Hello,
>
> Still no success of fast processing the qfiles dir.
>
> WITH DEFAULT MAILMAN VALUES at Default.py file
>
> I did do the following :
> Using SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (Normal Sendmail)
> Using SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 250 (Sendmail no DNS resolving
> according the FAQ)
> Using SMTPDirect module to 192.168.0.1 port 25 (Another SMTP server running
> on windows 2000)
> Using Sendmail module
>
> All  methods are the same results. qrunner is processing just 1 message at
> the time and the next message at the qfiles dir is processed about 10
> minutes later.
>
> So qrunner is processing the qfiles dir for about 10 messages in 1 hour.
> Because there are more than 10 messages comming in .. the qfiles dir is
> growing and growing.
>
> Now you may tell me what i now can try to make qrunner faster processing.
>
> Mailman 2.0.10
> Pentium 120, 96Mb ram
> 2x40gb HDD
> Redhat 7.2
>
> Greetings,
> Danny Terweij
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From danny at terweij.nl  Mon Apr 29 02:39:27 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:39:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Summary, whats next?
References: <010001c1eef7$4ebfa5c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200204282230.SAA01873@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <017d01c1ef16$51ae9740$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>

> Try creating a test list in your /etc/aliases on the box (non-local email
> addresses) and send to the list. Monitor the queue while you are doing it.
> Does this list move out quickly?  How does the speed compare with qrunner
> handling a Mailman list?

I have a few test lists, local adresses and non-local adresses (separated).
Both same results.

When a external message is comming in, it is in just seconds transfered to
the qfiles dir.
That part of mailman is working speedy and fine.

> I'm guessing that either your sendmail is having some weird timout, or
that
> you box is too heavily loaded with other processes...

No heavy loads.

> What does "top" give you when you look at it?  How much processor is
> available? How much memory is being used?  Is it swapping alot?

top not running qrunner:
  2:19am  up  4:21,  1 user,  load average: 1.17, 1.54, 1.58
66 processes: 65 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states:  1.9% user,  2.3% system,  0.0% nice, 95.7% idle
Mem:    94124K av,   44044K used,   50080K free,       4K shrd,    2760K
buff
Swap:  192772K av,   31316K used,  161456K free                   23684K
cached

top running qrunner:
  2:23am  up  4:25,  1 user,  load average: 1.46, 1.58, 1.58
68 processes: 65 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 97.5% user,  2.4% system,  0.0% nice,  0.0% idle
Mem:    94124K av,   63608K used,   30516K free,       4K shrd,    4384K
buff
Swap:  192772K av,   31252K used,  161520K free                   33332K
cached

  PID USER     PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
 8288 mailman   14   0  8388 8388  1388 R    92.7  8.9   1:56 python

Using standard python 1.5.2 orso from RH 7.2 dist.
Also python 2 installed here.. invoked as command python2 (for mm2.1 when it
comes out :-) )

> How big is your Swap on your box?  How much of your swap are you using
while
> sending to a list?

See above...

> Are you running your box in Run Level 3 or in Run Level 5 (graphical user
> interface)?  Please run it in 3 - your machine is fairly under powered for
RH
> 7.2 so it is not going to be able to handle Run Level 5 very quickly.

No GUI, i have an unsupported video card. X wont start. So i use level 3 all
times and don't start X.
(even no monitor attached to this box.. doing all remote)

> Have you updated your kernel from the default install:
>    up2date -f -i kernel, kernel-headers

I have 2.4.9-31, latest from up2date.
Also using apt for latest releases.

> How much space do you have on your box - are any of the filesystems
running
> low on space?
>    df -h


Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdb1              38G   17G   19G  46% /
/dev/hda1              49M  7.6M   38M  17% /boot
none                   46M     0   45M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda2             455M   98M  334M  23% /prv
/dev/hdc1              38G   14G   22G  38% /users

> Of key importance for space is the /var area used to handle the mail
queue.

/var sitting on / and 19gb free.

> Since Mailman in general runs extremely fast - even on low processor
boxes, I
> would focus on your system and its load to see if the bottle neck is
there.

The heavy load is when qrunner is running. The linux box is not doing other
heavy tasks.

Running :
mrtg
squid
mysql
httpd
dhcpd
named
webmin
sendmail
pop3
samba

All above is not used often, except mrtg every 5 mins and sendmail.

> Good Luck

Maybe you see something wrong...

Danny Terweij.


>  --- Original Message: Sunday 28 April 2002 04:57 pm ---
> > Hello,
> >
> > Still no success of fast processing the qfiles dir.
> >
> > WITH DEFAULT MAILMAN VALUES at Default.py file
> >

[cutted]






From b.j.smith at ieee.org  Mon Apr 29 03:08:34 2002
From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith)
Date: 28 Apr 2002 21:08:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Favorite NNTP server for Mailman???
Message-ID: <1020042515.6599.48.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com>

Just need a NNTP server for Linux that is also hosting Mailman lists. 
The NNTP server will only be for the lists, nothing more.  No
propagation features needed outside of to/from Mailman.

So, what's everyone's favorite?  I want to say I've seen several people
comment in the past on a lightweight NNTP server for Linux that is much
easier to configure than INN, but I cannot think of it.  Thanx in
advance ...

-- Bryan

-- 
They "sell" software "like a book" so they can sell it en masse
without a written agreement.  But if you want to "transfer" it,
they say it's not "like a book" but "licensed" under agreement.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Bryan J. Smith, SmithConcepts, Inc.   mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org
Engineers and IT Professionals     http://www.SmithConcepts.com






From mjtuazon at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 26 10:10:56 2002
From: mjtuazon at pacbell.net (Manuel Tuazon)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:10:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Technical Assistance
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020426010745.00a7f8c8@postoffice.pacbell.net>

Anyone,

Whenever I log on to the Administrative Authentication page in order to 
approve my own email postings, I always get the following message below 
after clicking "Submit All Data":

Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your
browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect.
"Session cookies are used in Mailman's administrative interface so that you
don't need to re-authenticate with every administrative operation. This
cookie will expire automatically when you exit your browser, or you can
explicitly expire the cookie by hitting the Logout link under Other
Administrative Activities (which you'll see once you successfully log in).



However, the email still doesn't get approved. Today is the first day that 
I have encountered the above message. Has the moderator's approval 
procedure been changed. Does anyone know what should I do?  I'd appreciate 
any help.

Thanks,

Manuel Tuazon
Mailman User






From contacto at todoenlaces.com  Fri Apr 26 13:07:40 2002
From: contacto at todoenlaces.com (Todoenlaces)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:07:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Comentaries about Mailman
Message-ID: <000a01c1ed12$985e5dc0$0100a8c0@teleline>

Hi,

Ive a mailist of 1000 users and I want know if is posible send emails with Mailman in HTML format.

I have the database of the users with In-link (in-link.net)

Thanks,


I?aki Barahona
 
contacto at todoenlaces.com
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From danny at poema.yi.org  Fri Apr 26 15:28:41 2002
From: danny at poema.yi.org (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:28:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <01f501c1ec8f$6b79afe0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <00cc01c1ecaa$5131d3e0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <015001c1ed13$355048a0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200204261255.IAA09469@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c1ed26$486fa120$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> How big are the messages in the queues?

-rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mailman       125 Apr 26 13:49
00a08f4b7f3eda93337dd0eaed6c43db23eadc53.db
-rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mailman     19786 Apr 26 13:49
00a08f4b7f3eda93337dd0eaed6c43db23eadc53.msg
[cut]
-rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mailman       126 Apr 26 15:17
332356b7c7b3a6fde975a8120825344d6e790e9e.db
-rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mailman      5121 Apr 26 15:17
332356b7c7b3a6fde975a8120825344d6e790e9e.msg


I see also :

-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       184 Apr 26 13:48
08ab0d7e1c5c313381f0ed53abcdc5f462e9addd.db
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman   1108955 Apr 26 13:48
08ab0d7e1c5c313381f0ed53abcdc5f462e9addd.msg

Danny






From snajder at science.upjs.sk  Fri Apr 26 17:04:14 2002
From: snajder at science.upjs.sk (Lubomir Snajder)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:04:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem with approval
Message-ID: <001001c1ed33$a17a33e0$a624c59e@lubos>

Dear friends,

I am owner and also moderator of a mailing list (didinfo at list.upjs.sk) run
under Mailman 2.0.8.
When someone write e-mail message to this moderated mailing list, naturaly I
have to approve this message.
Web environment is very nice (some years ago a used programs listproc,
majordomo) but if I do some changes to e-mail message which waiting for my
approval and then I approve it, the original message will come to members of
mailing list without my changes.
Can you help me and give me some advice how to solve this problem.

Many thanks in advance.

Best wishes

Lubomir Snajder

University of P.J.Safarik
Faculty of Science
Department of Informatics
Jesenna 5, 04154 Kosice
SLOVAKIA






From danny at poema.yi.org  Fri Apr 26 23:35:54 2002
From: danny at poema.yi.org (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:35:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?
References: <6134D6233760B64586B40571833DA6A71FF82F@dasmthfwa001.amedd.army.mil>
Message-ID: <01ea01c1ed6a$584c5b80$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>

RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?Hmm I wonder some thing...

My mailman linux server is behind a firewall.

[internet]
\/
router
\/
MAIN-SERVER (xxx.yyy.com) (A)
\/
MAILMAN SERVER (lnx.xxx.yyy.com) (B)

When some person sends an mail to test at lnx.xxx.yyy.com , the server (A) sends it to (B).
Webpages are get by http://lnx.xxx.yyy.com/ and Apache redirects it on (A) to http://xxx.yyy.com:81/. This last url is port forwarded from the router to http://internal-ip-server(B):80/ 

Outgoing mail from mailman :
SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (sendmail)
Sendmail is configured to not deliver directly but send all mail to server (A). 

DNS master is (A) (outside requests and backup for internal LAN)
DNS slave is (B) (For internal LAN requests)


So i do not think it is an MTA DNS resolving stuff. Maybe i am wrong but all the DNS resolvings at above situation are on Server (A). Because there are the outgoing messages real processed for the internet. I see there the mx lookups and not on server (B).

Danny.




----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:05 PM
  Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ?


  Ok, I am also seeing that problem, below is an excerpt from the faq.  I am using sendmail for my MTA, how would I turn this off on my box? I looked in README.SENDMAIL and it didn't address it.

  Eric 



  Q. I'm getting really terrible performance for outgoing messages. It seems that if the MTA has trouble resolving DNS for any recipients, qrunner just gets really slow clearing the queue. Any ideas? 

  A. What's likely happening is that your MTA is doing DNS resolution on recipients for messages delivered locally (i.e. from Mailman to your MTA via SMTPDirect.py). This is a Bad Thing. You need to turn off synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host. 

  In Exim, the value to edit is receiver_verify_hosts. See README.EXIM for details. Other MTAs have (of course) different parameters and defaults that control this. First check the README file for your MTA and then consult your MTA's own documentation. 



  > -----Original Message----- 
  > From: Danny Terweij [mailto:danny at terweij.nl] 
  > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 6:49 AM 
  > To: jonc at nc.rr.com; mailman-users at python.org 
  > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay for qrunner ? 
  > 
  > 
  > From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com> 
  > > Are messages going out from Mailman?  In otherwords, is 
  > qrunner stuck on 
  > one 
  > > or two messages? 
  > 
  > Every message is going out. But qrunner is very slow (or 
  > something else). 
  > 
  > With ps ax i see : 
  > 
  >  4609 ?        R     41:19 /usr/bin/python -S 
  > /var/mailman/cron/qrunner 
  > 
  > Danny. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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  > Mailman-Users at python.org 
  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users 
  > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 
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From docfxit at theoffice.la  Sun Apr 28 07:20:35 2002
From: docfxit at theoffice.la (Gary Kuznitz)
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:20:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove "This is a multipart message in MIME format"
Message-ID: <3CCB2433.20088.E14ACE@localhost>

Hi,

I am getting this message in email I receive from Mailman ver. 2.0.10

 This is a multipart message in MIME format.
 --
 [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]

I originaly thought it was coming from the email client I am using so I asked 
Pegasus Tech Support how to remove it.  There answer was:
There's nothing we can do about this.  If you look at the message 
headers,you'll see that something decided to strip out the other 
parts and leave only the plain text portion for you.  

x-plaintext: Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative

I think the Mailman list server is doing this for you.  There 
probably are options in the list to allow you to receive the whole 
message intact instead of it slicing and dicing it beforehand.

Is there something I can do to remove these messages from the 
email?

Thank you,

Gary Kuznitz





From barry at zope.com  Mon Apr 29 08:13:38 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:13:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pushing through a single digest message ahead of time
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204281456180.14027-100000@helios.geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <15564.58514.171795.635095@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MTV" == Mark T Valites <valites at geneseo.edu> writes:

    MTV> Is there a way to push the digest to a single list?

Not by default, but it ought to be a simple hack of cron/senddigests.
    
    MTV> Or even better, just a single message of that digest to the
    MTV> individual list?

Not without some Python programming.

Note that in MM2.1, you'll be able to send out `urgent' messages that
bypass digests and disabled deliveries, getting the message out to the
entire list membership immediately.

-Barry




From support at antenna.nl  Mon Apr 29 08:50:19 2002
From: support at antenna.nl (Antenna Support)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:50:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and large lists
In-Reply-To: <200204261622.g3QGMZ228947@quill.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10204290849400.18532-100000@waal.occasio.net>

Dear Norbert,

This is indeed what was mailed to me last Friday, so I presume you are
right.

Greetings,

Tsjebbe

============================================================================
              Stichting Antenna / Antenna Foundation
         *** Networking for Progress, Not for Profit ***
      
   Michael Polman     Tsjebbe de Vries    	Jurjen Wouda
   Susan Broens       Mark Keaney               Chantal Rosmuller

E-mail      : support at antenna.nl and support at vrouwen.net
Service Desk: Tel. (9.30-12.30, 13.30-16.30 hrs): (+31) 024-3603407
Pieper/Pager: Tel. 06 20759401  Telefax: 024-6752848
Snail-mail  : P.O. Box 1513, 6501 BM Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Website/URL : http://www.antenna.nl and http://www.vrouwen.net
============================================================================



On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Norbert Bollow wrote:

> > Just to warn you when importing e-mail addresses: there is a bug which
> > causes Mailman to loop if an imported address contains a & (we had this
> > problem when changing from majordomo to mailman lists and no solution has 
> > been provided as yet)
> 
> As the problem seems to have come from the '&' being interpreted
> as a shell metacharacter, I suspect that this problem can happen
> only if one uses Sendmail.py instead of SMTPDirect.py ...
> 
> (Is this correct?)
> 
> Greetings, Norbert.
> 
> -- 
> A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
> Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
> Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
> List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From fred at bytesforall.org  Mon Apr 29 09:09:48 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:39:48 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Way to block virii?
In-Reply-To: <20020429042357.14842.67303.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204291238550.1268-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Is there any way to block virus using Mailman? I know it's possible to
block e-mails that cross a certain size limit, but these days virii come
in small sizes too... 
Any way to just keep out *all* attachments? FN
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From valites at geneseo.edu  Mon Apr 29 14:17:20 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:17:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pushing through a single digest message ahead
 of time
In-Reply-To: <15564.58514.171795.635095@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204290814150.25383-100000@helios.geneseo.edu>

>     MTV> Is there a way to push the digest to a single list?
>
> Not by default, but it ought to be a simple hack of cron/senddigests.

I figured I could go there, but hacking it under pressure proabably
wouldn't have been a good idea at the time.

>
>     MTV> Or even better, just a single message of that digest to the
>     MTV> individual list?
>
> Not without some Python programming.
>

Ouch, it didn't need to go out that bad... :)

> Note that in MM2.1, you'll be able to send out `urgent' messages that
> bypass digests and disabled deliveries, getting the message out to the
> entire list membership immediately.

That's good news to hear - gotta go find that box I installed 2.1 on and
start playing with it again...





From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Apr 29 14:26:22 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 29 Apr 2002 05:26:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Way to block virii?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204291238550.1268-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204291238550.1268-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1020083183.4599.78.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 00:09, Frederick Noronha wrote:
> Is there any way to block virus using Mailman? I know it's possible to
> block e-mails that cross a certain size limit, but these days virii come
> in small sizes too... 
> Any way to just keep out *all* attachments? FN

Frederick,
This is what I do.

Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting filters
Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp.

    Content-Type: .*octet
    Content-Type: .*oda
    Content-Type: .*audio
    Content-Type: .*image
    Content-Type: .*alternative
    Content-Type: .*digest
    Content-Type: .*mixed
    Content-Type: .*rich
    Content-Type: .*html
    Content-Type: .*video

Rejection Message:
Please configure your email client [1] to send text/plain messages to
this list. Instead of attachments, you should include any diagnostic
information as in-line text in the main message body.

[1] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html

Details:
Only messages with a Content-type: of "text/plain" and
"multipart/signed" are automatically posted to the list. All other
content-types are held for administrative action.

If you have any questions about this policy, please send them to
<yourlist-admin at yourdomain>.


-- 
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From angelo at colegioanchieta.g12.br  Mon Apr 29 16:26:47 2002
From: angelo at colegioanchieta.g12.br (Angelo Marcos Rigo)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:26:47 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Brazilian portuguese
Message-ID: <FA9927022B14E0458886F26129CBF2030E74D7@AEX01.anchieta.local>

Hi 
i would like to ask you
if mailman has support to Brazilian portuguese or portuguese messages ?
if the subscribe unsubscribe messages can be in portuguese messages , or
if i can 
edit the messages translating english to portuguese?

Thank?s

?ngelo Marcos Rigo
Webmaster Col?gio Anchieta
angelo at colegioanchieta.g12.br
Visite nosso site www.colegioanchieta.g12.br





From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Mon Apr 29 16:37:54 2002
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:37:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with checkdbs...
Message-ID: <20020429093754.A11791@austin.ibm.com>

I currently running mailman to host a few small lists, which
is running quite well.

However, I have 1 list out of twenty which needs checkdbs to 
run every 30 minutes between 8am and 5pm.  That is easy, except
for the side effect that all list admins get the same service.

Not yet being python literate, I'm a little reticent to go hacking
checkdbs to support an input list arg.

Has anyone come up with a method of having different checkdbs timings
for different lists ?

Thanks.

Mike





From fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu  Mon Apr 29 17:57:59 2002
From: fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu (Myron Freeman)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:57:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up limited access mailing list with mailman-2.1b1
Message-ID: <20020429155759.GB14984@gosalyn-mallard.mit.edu>

Hi.

I'm playing around and testing out mailman-2.1b1 and I would like to
set up a mailing list that has many members but only a few special
people can post to.  I can't seem to find the "member_posting_only"
option mentioned in the mailman-2.0.X posts.  Has this functionality
changed for 2.1?

-Myron 

--
Myron Freeman
MIT EECS ECF
fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu





From barry at zope.com  Mon Apr 29 18:15:49 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove "This is a multipart message in MIME format"
References: <3CCB2433.20088.E14ACE@localhost>
Message-ID: <15565.29109.951723.968693@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GK" == Gary Kuznitz <docfxit at theoffice.la> writes:

    GK> I think the Mailman list server is doing this for you.

Nope, because MIME-stripping isn't supported until MM2.1, and it
doesn't mark the messages this way anyway.  Something else is doing
this filtering.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Mon Apr 29 18:18:10 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:18:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up limited access mailing list with mailman-2.1b1
References: <20020429155759.GB14984@gosalyn-mallard.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <15565.29250.462188.906452@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MF" == Myron Freeman <fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu> writes:

    MF> I'm playing around and testing out mailman-2.1b1 and I would
    MF> like to set up a mailing list that has many members but only a
    MF> few special people can post to.  I can't seem to find the
    MF> "member_posting_only" option mentioned in the mailman-2.0.X
    MF> posts.  Has this functionality changed for 2.1?

Yes.  To do this, turn on the moderation flag for all users, and set
the action-on-moderation to one of reject, hold, or discard.

Then for the privileged posters, either turn off their moderation flag
(if they're members), or add them to the accept_these_nonmembers box
in the Privacy options.

-Barry




From reiner_buehl at hp.com  Mon Apr 29 18:25:38 2002
From: reiner_buehl at hp.com (BUEHL,REINER (HP-Germany,ex1))
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:25:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: computed value for NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much?
Message-ID: <FFE5E286773CD411873400D0B747AC580732DFE8@goedel.bbn.hp.com>

Hi all,

I am in the process of migrating my mailman installation from a 
HP-UX 10.20 system with python 1.6 to a HP-UX 11.0 system with 
python 2.1. I recompiled mailman from 2.0.10 sources on the new
system and did a check_perms. Everything seems to be ok, but if
I try to access http://localhost/mailman/admin I get the following
error: 

Apr 18 13:32:45 2002 admin(5623):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(5623): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.10 -----]
admin(5623): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(5623): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(5623):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 90, in run_main
admin(5623):     pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(),
[scriptnam
e])
admin(5623):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 29, in ?
admin(5623):     from Mailman import Utils
admin(5623):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ?
admin(5623):     import random
admin(5623):   File "/opt/python/lib/python2.1/random.py", line 93, in ?
admin(5623):     _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', 1.71552776992141)
admin(5623):   File "/opt/python/lib/python2.1/random.py", line 88, in
_verify
admin(5623):     raise ValueError(
admin(5623): ValueError: computed value for NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much
(com
puted 0, expected 1.10415e+09)
admin(5623): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(5623): sys.version    = 2.1 (#21, Jul  3 2001, 10:47:20)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)]
admin(5623): sys.executable = /opt/python/bin/python
admin(5623): sys.prefix     = /opt/python
admin(5623): sys.exec_prefix= /opt/python
admin(5623): sys.path       = /opt/python
admin(5623): sys.platform   = hp-uxB

Can somebody help me in solving this?

Best regards,
Reiner.




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr 29 18:30:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:30:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Way to block virii? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Frederick Noronha <fred@bytesforall.org> 
   of "Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:39:48 +0530." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204291238550.1268-100000@localhost.localdomain> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204291238550.1268-100000@localhost.localdomain> 
Message-ID: <13370.1020097846@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:39:48 +0530 (IST) 
Frederick Noronha <fred at bytesforall.org> wrote:

> Is there any way to block virus using Mailman? I know it's possible to
> block e-mails that cross a certain size limit, but these days virii
> come in small sizes too... Any way to just keep out *all* attachments? 

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From briert at cepu.ca  Mon Apr 29 18:37:52 2002
From: briert at cepu.ca (Timothy Brier)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:37:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postings held for approval - mailman 2.10
Message-ID: <00f601c1ef9c$34fb5df0$2800a8c0@cep.ca>

What is the fastest way to delete all postings held for approval for a list?


Thanks,

Tim.
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From tsf at opus.sirt.Arizona.EDU  Mon Apr 29 19:12:34 2002
From: tsf at opus.sirt.Arizona.EDU (Ted Frohling)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:12:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain name aliases
Message-ID: <20020429101234.6e3ab941.tsf@opus.sirt.arizona.edu>

Apologies in advance if this has been asked and answered here, haven't
seen it.

I have a list that requires posts come from registered subscribers.  Our 
mail admins have recently instituted a web mail system that uses a different
domain name for the sender.  All us humans know it's the same place, but 
mailman sees them as distinctly different.  Is there a way to make mailman
see u.arizona.edu and email.arizona.edu as the same?

thanks,

ted


-- 
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    520.621.4834     Security Incident Response Team       CCIT Room 126
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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Apr 29 19:51:21 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:51:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postings held for approval - mailman 2.10 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Timothy Brier" <briert@cepu.ca> 
   of "Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:37:52 EDT." <00f601c1ef9c$34fb5df0$2800a8c0@cep.ca> 
References: <00f601c1ef9c$34fb5df0$2800a8c0@cep.ca> 
Message-ID: <15328.1020102681@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:37:52 -0400 
Timothy Brier <briert at cepu.ca> wrote:

> What is the fastest way to delete all postings held for approval for a
> list?  

rm ~mailman/data/held-listname-*

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From rob at stupidguytalk.org  Mon Apr 29 21:13:28 2002
From: rob at stupidguytalk.org (Rob)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:13:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postings held for approval - mailman 2.10 
References: <00f601c1ef9c$34fb5df0$2800a8c0@cep.ca>  <15328.1020102681@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <020001c1efb1$f35c8020$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>

Ok well what if you do not want to have to approve held posts and just
rather have them deleted...

I mean anyhting other than listed members go to trash without approvel or
notice?

Rob Morin(Mr.Legacy)
System Administrator
inter.net/TotalNet
Montreal, Canada
rob at team.inter.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
To: "Timothy Brier" <briert at cepu.ca>
Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postings held for approval - mailman 2.10


> On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:37:52 -0400
> Timothy Brier <briert at cepu.ca> wrote:
>
> > What is the fastest way to delete all postings held for approval for a
> > list?
>
> rm ~mailman/data/held-listname-*
>
> --
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 29 21:18:54 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recipients email address in footer
Message-ID: <20020429191854.9559.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

It is possible to configure mailman 2.0.8 to put the
recipients email address in the footer of an outgoing
message ? 

This would make it easier to resolve issues with
forwarded bouncing messages.

TIA,
Moshe

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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Apr 29 21:40:23 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:40:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postings held for approval - mailman 2.10 
References: <00f601c1ef9c$34fb5df0$2800a8c0@cep.ca>  <15328.1020102681@kanga.nu> <020001c1efb1$f35c8020$df5fbfcc@roblaptop>
Message-ID: <016401c1efb5$b455b780$0b04010a@JCARNES>

See the FAQ, there are a couple of work-arounds that do just that.

BTW: the link to the FAQ is:
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <rob at stupidguytalk.org>
To: "Timothy Brier" <briert at cepu.ca>; "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postings held for approval - mailman 2.10


> Ok well what if you do not want to have to approve held posts and just
> rather have them deleted...
>
> I mean anyhting other than listed members go to trash without approvel or
> notice?
>
> Rob Morin(Mr.Legacy)
> System Administrator
> inter.net/TotalNet
> Montreal, Canada
> rob at team.inter.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
> To: "Timothy Brier" <briert at cepu.ca>
> Cc: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Postings held for approval - mailman 2.10
>
>
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:37:52 -0400
> > Timothy Brier <briert at cepu.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > What is the fastest way to delete all postings held for approval for a
> > > list?
> >
> > rm ~mailman/data/held-listname-*
> >
> > --
> > J C Lawrence
> > ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> > claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From nb at thinkcoach.com  Mon Apr 29 21:47:01 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:47:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recipients email address in footer
In-Reply-To: <20020429191854.9559.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> (message from
	Mark Moshe Kaye on Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:18:54 -0700 (PDT))
References: <20020429191854.9559.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200204291947.g3TJl1m03668@quill.local>

Mark Moshe Kaye <jotd2k at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It is possible to configure mailman 2.0.8 to put the
> recipients email address in the footer of an outgoing
> message ? 

With Qmail it's posible... for details see

http://mailman.cis.to/qmail-verh/

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59         Fax +41 1 972 20 69        http://norbert.ch
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com




From todd at somahq.com  Mon Apr 29 22:37:21 2002
From: todd at somahq.com (Todd Marek)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail based password reminder function?
Message-ID: <E79A9807-5BB0-11D6-BCEB-000393823F90@somahq.com>

Hello-
First off thanks to the developers for an incredible piece of software!  
I do have one question though.  I read through the documentation and 
used my e-mail to request the available commands.  One command that I am 
looking for is a password reminder command that can be sent through the 
e-mail subject.  I saw that there is one on the user management page but 
we are trying to avoid having users use that right now and instead use a 
small form on our site to subscribe/unsubscribe and have their password 
sent to them.
Thanks for any help-
Todd Marek





From MMunday at MFSConsulting.de  Mon Apr 29 22:52:42 2002
From: MMunday at MFSConsulting.de (Mitch Munday)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:52:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting Users in Mailman
Message-ID: <01f501c1efbf$ce8529b0$6e00a8c0@mmoffice>

Hi,

We have been trialling Mailmann for the last couple of weeks on a test machine, however over the period of the test we have gained many 100's of users. We now wish to reinstall mailman on a more permanent server without losing the users which are currently registered with us.

Is there anywhere of being able to export the entire users out of mailman?

Your help in this matter is greatly appreciated.

Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
best regards,

Mitch Munday

MFS Consulting
Heidturmweg 33
D-33100 Paderborn
Germany

eMail mmunday at mfsconsulting.de
url http://www.mfsconsulting.de

tel +49 5251 871889-0
fax +49 5251 871889-99
voip voip.mfsconsulting.de


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From robinson at main.nc.us  Mon Apr 29 20:40:23 2002
From: robinson at main.nc.us (Robbie Robinson)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:40:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about automatic blocking
Message-ID: <3CCD9397.88CB03C0@main.nc.us>

Hello,
We use mailman and are pleased with it, sort of. I just took
over admin  of a few lists that have to be open to non-member
postings (webmaster and such). I get about 40 message a day
that are held for approval due to being larger than the 
allowed size. Without exception these are either spam or
a virus. It's good to catch them but I'd like to have mailman
automatically discard them. Is this possible?
-- 
Robbie Robinson <robinson at main.nc.us>
Network Administrator
Mountain Area Info Network
34 Wall St, Suite 407
Asheville, NC  28801 
828-255-0182




From todd at somahq.com  Mon Apr 29 22:28:27 2002
From: todd at somahq.com (Todd Marek)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:28:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail based password reminder function?
Message-ID: <A975EDC4-5BAF-11D6-BCEB-000393823F90@somahq.com>

Hello-
First off thanks for an incredible piece of software!  I had one 
question though.  I read through the documentation and used my e-mail to 
request the available commands.  One command that I am looking for is a 
password reminder command that can be sent through the e-mail subject.  
I saw that there is one on the user management page but we are trying to 
avoid having users use that right now and instead use a small form on 
our site to subscribe/unsubscribe and have their password sent to them.
Thanks for any help-
Todd Marek





From jimmc at irobot.com  Mon Apr 29 22:25:01 2002
From: jimmc at irobot.com (Jim McCormack)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:25:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wildcard for member_posting_only revisited
Message-ID: <3CCDAC1D.BC4C26CC@irobot.com>

Hello All:

I have been scouring the archives and etc looking for the appropriate
way to restrict posting to any poster from my domain.

I saw some postings that implied that the "posters" field could accept
regular expressions.  I quickly gave up on this though, as subsequent
postings seemed to imply that procmail was the true answer.

Jo Brooks posted probably the most helpful answer I could find. (see
below, many thanks Joe!)

I have some questions about the implimentation of it though, and thought
I would ask some questions to make sure I understand it correctly:

1)  Using the procmail script below, the mailing list should not be set
to member posting only?  It seems like a message which passes by the
first rule in the procmail script gets posted as normal.  Therefore if I
had member_posting_only enabled it would be held for moderator approval?

2)  Messages that do not match the domain listed in the procmail script
are then sent to mail list owner directly?  That is to say, the message
no longer flows through the normal approve/reject/discard and etc web
interface?  If the message was indeed a valid message for the mailing
list then the mailowner would have to forward the email to the mailing
list?

It seems like this is the way it is working for me.  I just want to make
sure I am not missing something.

Cheers!


Jim McCormack


> List:     mailman-users
> Subject:  Re: [Mailman-Users] (Q) Rejecting mail from outside local system
> From:     Jo Brooks <jobrooks at us.dhl.com>
> Date:     2001-11-05 15:51:24
> [Download message RAW]
> 
> Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > 
> > Is there a simple way of only allowing posters
> > from a given domain or domains?
> > Eg can I use wildcards (eg *@*.tcd.ie) when specifying allowed posters?
> 
> I had to cook up a procmail filter and add it to the filters
> directory.  Seems to have worked for the several lists that wanted
> to implement it, so I must've gotten it right  :)
> 
> I'm rather new to procmail, so it took a whole lot of scouring thru
> the mailman-users and majordomo-users archives at marc.theaimsgroup.com
> but those examples helped immensely.   This is what I ended up with,
> in a filter I called "restricts":
> 
>         :0
>         * !^From:.*@.*\.dhl\.com
>         |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner ${MAILMAN}
>         
>         :0
>         |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN}
> 
> and the alias entry looks like:
> 
> testing: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN='testing' /home/mailman/filters/r
> estricts"
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Jo Brooks
> DHL Worldwide Express
> Systems Support Group
>




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon Apr 29 22:06:52 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:06:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Summary, whats next?
References: <010001c1eef7$4ebfa5c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200204282230.SAA01873@salsa.haht.com> <017d01c1ef16$51ae9740$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <3CCDA7DC.B397938D@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hi danny.

i have no idea what's wrong, and i don't know python, but if such
things happen to me, i try strace.
my suggestion is disable the mailman cronjobs, invoke qrunner by
hand under strace (strace <command>) and see if it hangs or loops
somewhere. it will spew out a lot of garbage, but in some cases,
there are useful hints for mere mortals in it.

just a guess,

j?rn


Danny Terweij wrote:
> 
> 
> top not running qrunner:
>   2:19am  up  4:21,  1 user,  load average: 1.17, 1.54, 1.58
> 66 processes: 65 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU states:  1.9% user,  2.3% system,  0.0% nice, 95.7% idle
> Mem:    94124K av,   44044K used,   50080K free,       4K shrd,    2760K
> buff
> Swap:  192772K av,   31316K used,  161456K free                   23684K
> cached
> 
> top running qrunner:
>   2:23am  up  4:25,  1 user,  load average: 1.46, 1.58, 1.58
> 68 processes: 65 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU states: 97.5% user,  2.4% system,  0.0% nice,  0.0% idle
> Mem:    94124K av,   63608K used,   30516K free,       4K shrd,    4384K
> buff
> Swap:  192772K av,   31252K used,  161520K free                   33332K
> cached
> 
>   PID USER     PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
>  8288 mailman   14   0  8388 8388  1388 R    92.7  8.9   1:56 python
> 

--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon Apr 29 22:08:21 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:08:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A problem with approval
References: <001001c1ed33$a17a33e0$a624c59e@lubos>
Message-ID: <3CCDA835.D27388D@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Lubomir Snajder wrote:
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> I am owner and also moderator of a mailing list (didinfo at list.upjs.sk) run
> under Mailman 2.0.8.
> When someone write e-mail message to this moderated mailing list, naturaly I
> have to approve this message.
> Web environment is very nice (some years ago a used programs listproc,
> majordomo) but if I do some changes to e-mail message which waiting for my
> approval and then I approve it, the original message will come to members of
> mailing list without my changes.
> Can you help me and give me some advice how to solve this problem.

see the faq about "editing messages".



--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From garyprice at qwest.net  Tue Apr 30 09:16:57 2002
From: garyprice at qwest.net (Gary Price)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:16:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail list aliases
Message-ID: <3CCE44E9.1030605@qwest.net>

mailman 2.0.10 install file says:

Running newlist will generate a list of aliases 
that must be added to the system. 

Could someone give an example of how to do add
these aliases with qmail 1.03?

Thanks

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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 30 09:28:18 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:28:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exporting Users in Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Mitch Munday" <MMunday@MFSConsulting.de> 
   of "Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:52:42 PDT." <01f501c1efbf$ce8529b0$6e00a8c0@mmoffice> 
References: <01f501c1efbf$ce8529b0$6e00a8c0@mmoffice> 
Message-ID: <28450.1020151698@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:52:42 -0700 
Mitch Munday <MMunday at MFSConsulting.de> wrote:

> Is there anywhere of being able to export the entire users out of
> mailman?

~mailman/bin/list_members.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From nb at thinkcoach.com  Tue Apr 30 10:20:45 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:20:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail list aliases
In-Reply-To: <3CCE44E9.1030605@qwest.net> (garyprice@qwest.net)
References: <3CCE44E9.1030605@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <200204300820.g3U8Kjf06905@quill.local>

> Could someone give an example of how to do add
> these aliases with qmail 1.03?

I make separate Mailman installations for each user account
which runs Mailman (under a virtual domain, controlled from
/var/qmail/control/virtualdomains ), then set up the following
in that user's home directory:

echo "|preline $prefix/mail/wrapper post $list">.qmail-$list
echo "|preline $prefix/mail/wrapper mailowner $list">.qmail-$list-admin
echo "|preline $prefix/mail/wrapper mailowner $list">.qmail-$list-owner
echo "|preline $prefix/mail/wrapper mailcmd $list">.qmail-$list-request

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59         Fax +41 1 972 20 69        http://norbert.ch
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com




From WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk  Tue Apr 30 10:18:53 2002
From: WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:18:53 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Aliases for subscribers?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020430160447.00aa2dc0@mail.cityu.edu.hk>

Dear friends,

Let say I have a subscriber with email address "wtlewis at somewhere.com" on a 
member-only list, then he also have an email alias 
"lewis.lau at somewhere.com" refer to the same email account. Is that any way 
to tell the mailman these two email addresses are actually the same person, 
so that this member can post message onto the list no matter the message is 
from "wtlewi at somewhere.com" or from "lewis.lau at somewhere.com"?

I've tried to add the email alias onto the list as well, but this cause a 
problem that the subscriber will receive duplicate message.

Regards,
Lewis





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Tue Apr 30 12:50:38 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:50:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Aliases for subscribers?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020430160447.00aa2dc0@mail.cityu.edu.hk>
Message-ID: <3CCE76FE.4696F796@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Lewis Lau wrote:
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> Let say I have a subscriber with email address "wtlewis at somewhere.com" on a
> member-only list, then he also have an email alias
> "lewis.lau at somewhere.com" refer to the same email account. Is that any way
> to tell the mailman these two email addresses are actually the same person,
> so that this member can post message onto the list no matter the message is
> from "wtlewi at somewhere.com" or from "lewis.lau at somewhere.com"?
> 
> I've tried to add the email alias onto the list as well, but this cause a
> problem that the subscriber will receive duplicate message.

read the FAQ !!!!

especially the part about adding secondary mail addresses to the
list and the nifty option to disable mail delivery for them.

--
Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat
the yellow snow !
	- Frank Zappa




From mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de  Tue Apr 30 13:04:42 2002
From: mihail.tsagidis at bay4you.de (Mihail Tsagidis)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:04:42 +0200
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Password?
In-Reply-To: <01e401c1e1a1$31c828b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDIEIACCAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>

Hello,

As an administrator of a list only, how is it possible to change a password to
a specific one of a user that you manually subscribe via web-interface?

Because i would like to choose a specific (for all members equal password) for
every one I manually subscribe (as a list admin).

Thanks,
Michael T.

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]Im Auftrag von Jon Carnes
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. April 2002 23:38
> An: mailman-users at python.org; Hannes Hofer
> Betreff: Re: [Mailman-Users] Password?
>
>
> Direct them to go to the listinfo page for the list, enter their email
> address at the bottom of the page and press the submit button. On the next
> page there is a link to have their password mailed to them.
>
> The default listinfo page is poorly laid out.  Several folks have suggested
> much nicer layouts which make it clear what to do if they have forgotten (or
> simply don't know) their password.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannes Hofer" <hofer at mac.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:22 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password?
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > If a user have been subscribed by a list administrator, how does he/she
> > obtain a password?
> >
> > I am the administrator of a list and I initially mass-added the
> subscribers
> > but opted not to send out the "canned" welcome message (I wrote a welcome
> > message on my own). Now I am getting complaints that users can not see the
> > subscriber list because they don't have a password. I have not been able
> to
> > find anything about this issue in the documentation.
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> >
> > Hannes Hofer
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Tue Apr 30 14:15:02 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:15:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yet another virtual domain question
In-Reply-To: <scbea6f0.015@matc.tec.oh.us>
References: <scbea6f0.015@matc.tec.oh.us>
Message-ID: <20020430121502.GA20795@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 10:58:44AM -0400,
 Todd Slater <Tslater at MATC.TEC.OH.US> wrote 
 a message of 36 lines which said:

> test at myvirtual.com test
> test-request at myvirtual.com test-request (and so on for the other aliases)

Anyway, it will not work. Since Mailman identifies lists by the name
(without @domain.com), if you need a second "test" list in another
domain, you'll have no way to do it.

> When I attempt to subscribe via the web I get the subscription
> message which comes from test-request at myvirtual.com, but when I reply
> to confirm, I get a postfix user not found error, and it says
> test-request at myrealdomain.com is the address that can't be found.

People who requests help for free on a mailing list should at least
try not to hide information. If you give the actual names and not
fakes, I could study the case (I suspect myvirtual.com is actually a
CNAME).





From waller at osb.wff.nasa.gov  Tue Apr 30 14:54:39 2002
From: waller at osb.wff.nasa.gov (Alan L. Waller)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:54:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Summary, whats next?
In-Reply-To: <010001c1eef7$4ebfa5c0$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020430083445.00adad18@osb.wff.nasa.gov>

Set up a caching DNS server on the Mailman server, this is installed by 
default in RH7.2 just start it by

/etc/rc.d/init.d/named start

These are the final value I found via many hours of testing to get the max 
performance out of my server with 550 lists and about 400,000 users

This is found in /your local dir/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py

#####
# VARIABLES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF YOUR LISTS, THE PERFORMANCE OF YOUR
# HARDWARE, NETWORK AND GENERAL MAIL HANDLING CAPABILITIES, ETC.


# Set this to true to turn on MailList object lock debugging messages, which
# will be written to logs/locks.  If you think you're having lock problems, or
# just want to tune the locks for your system, turn on lock debugging.
LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING = 1


# This variable specifies how long the lock will be retained for a specific
# operation on a mailing list.  Watch your logs/lock file and if you see a lot
# of lock breakages, you might need to bump this up.  However if you set this
# too high, a faulty script (or incorrect use of bin/withlist) can prevent the
# list from being used until the lifetime expires.  This is probably one of
# the most crucial tuning variables in the system.
LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(15)


# This variable specifies how long an attempt will be made to acquire a list
# lock by the qrunner process.  If the lock acquisition times out, the message
# will be re-queued for later delivery.
LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(15)


# cron/qrunner lock lifetime.  This is probably the second most crucial tuning
# variable in the system.  See the notes for LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME above.  Watch
# your logs/smtp file and make sure that QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME is set longer
# than the longest period you see here.  It is a bad thing if multiple
# qrunners run at the same time.
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(48)


# Two other qrunner resource management variables.  The first controls the
# maximum lifetime of any single qrunner process, and the second controls the
# maximum number of messages a single qrunner process will, er, process.
# Exceeding either limit causes qrunner to exit, reclaiming system resources
# and deleting the lock.  Other qrunners will then process the remaining
# messages.  Set either to None to inhibit this resource check.
QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = hours(4)
QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 150000

Regards,

Al


At 10:57 PM 4/28/2002 +0200, Danny Terweij wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Still no success of fast processing the qfiles dir.
>
>WITH DEFAULT MAILMAN VALUES at Default.py file
>
>I did do the following :
>Using SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 25 (Normal Sendmail)
>Using SMTPDirect module to 127.0.0.1 port 250 (Sendmail no DNS resolving
>according the FAQ)
>Using SMTPDirect module to 192.168.0.1 port 25 (Another SMTP server running
>on windows 2000)
>Using Sendmail module
>
>All  methods are the same results. qrunner is processing just 1 message at
>the time and the next message at the qfiles dir is processed about 10
>minutes later.
>
>So qrunner is processing the qfiles dir for about 10 messages in 1 hour.
>Because there are more than 10 messages comming in .. the qfiles dir is
>growing and growing.
>
>Now you may tell me what i now can try to make qrunner faster processing.
>
>Mailman 2.0.10
>Pentium 120, 96Mb ram
>2x40gb HDD
>Redhat 7.2
>
>Greetings,
>Danny Terweij
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py







From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Tue Apr 30 15:44:52 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:44:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] distributing to sub-lists via headers
Message-ID: <3CCE9FD4.5080405@iem.kug.ac.at>

hi list!

my problem is such:
i want to set up a list with several sub-lists,
for example:
"mylist" (parent)
"mylist-dev" (child)
"mylist-announce" (child)

if a mail is sent to "mylist" with a header like
[dev] or [mylist-dev] it should be resent via
the "mylist-dev"-sublist.
the same for the announcement-list

additionally i would like following "mylist-announce" behaviour:
if a mail is sent to this list, it would be distributed via both 
"mylist" and "mylist-announce", but only once to members who are 
subscribed to both lists (i think this has been discussed on this list 
before with the conclusio, that someone's patch didn't make it into 
mailman-2.1 but i have lost those mails...)

is this possible ?
i am currently using mailman-2.0.9-1 on a debian/woody system.

mfg.csa.r
IOhannes m zmoelnig





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Apr 30 16:01:10 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 30 Apr 2002 16:01:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change multiple
In-Reply-To: "Chris F.A. Johnson"'s message of "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:02:55 -0400 (EDT)"
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0204261401000.8745-100000@sheppard1.torfree.net>
Message-ID: <werdiemessageidindieeinleitungszeileuebernimmthateineneinleitungsroman.m3u1pt9tg9.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Chris F.A. Johnson" <chris at torfree.net> writes:

> On 26 Apr 2002, Detlef Neubauer wrote:
> 
> > Sandro Pons <pons18 at yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > > is it possible to change the e-mail address
> > > to a new one without unsubscribe and rejoin all the
> > > lists?
>
> > > is it possible for the mailman admin to change it?
> >
> > No. He must also unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new
> > address.
> 
>    Can't the site administrator can change it with "clone_member -r"?

Oh, you right.

But it's work for the admin. Why he should do this? :-)


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Tue Apr 30 16:59:03 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 30 Apr 2002 07:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ Wizard
Message-ID: <1020178744.14944.79.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

I noticed that most of the answers in the Mailman FAQ wizard [1] assume
that you have site admin access. Many of us are only list managers.
Solutions to problems that work for site admins may not work for list
managers.

Is there a preferred way to modify the FAQ Wizard for answers to list
manager questions? Specifically for list managers without site admin
access.

[1] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From devdas at worldgatein.net  Mon Apr 29 16:53:38 2002
From: devdas at worldgatein.net (Devdas Bhagat)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:23:38 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Way to block virii?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204291238550.1268-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 12:39:48PM +0530
References: <20020429042357.14842.67303.Mailman@mail.python.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204291238550.1268-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20020429202338.B6272@rivendell.worldgatein.net>

On 29/04/02 12:39 +0530, Frederick Noronha wrote:
> Is there any way to block virus using Mailman? I know it's possible to
> block e-mails that cross a certain size limit, but these days virii come
> in small sizes too... 
> Any way to just keep out *all* attachments? FN
Demime.pl
As usual, google is your best friend.

Devdas Bhagat




From Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL  Tue Apr 30 17:23:57 2002
From: Eric.Bueschel at CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL (Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:23:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Webshield bombs sending to Mailman
Message-ID: <6134D6233760B64586B40571833DA6A71FF83E@dasmthfwa001.amedd.army.mil>



Anyone have any idea what could be causing this:

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Webshield SMTP V4.5 MR1a Mail Service [mailto:Webshield SMTP V4.5
MR1a Mail Service] 
Sent:	Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:02 AM
To:	auser at somedomain.com
Subject:	Returned Mail: Error During Delivery

------ Here is your List of Failed Recipients ------
<mailman at mydomain.com>


Destination mail server returned error code 250.
-------- Here Is Your Returned Mail --------

Mailman is running on Slackware Linux using Sendmail 8.11. As near as I can
tell, sendmail's error code 250 means that everything was a success.  I
don't get it.
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From dave at flanigan.net  Tue Apr 30 04:31:34 2002
From: dave at flanigan.net (David Flanigan)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:31:34 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post Install Question
Message-ID: <20020430113134.M79986@flanigan.net>

Hello Oh great gurus or Mailman: 

 First, awesome program. Many thanks to those who have taken there time to 
put create such a wonderful tool. 

 Now my question. Everything is working well except for the web page view of 
the mail archives. When I try to view the archives I get a 404 error from 
apache that says "The page cannot be found". 

 Now my diligent searching of the FAQ has led me to verify I have Apache 
configured correctly (which I believe I do). I have sent the first message so 
that there should be something in the archive. 

 Here is my httpd.conf entries for mailman (my prefix is /var/mailman):

    ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"
    Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
    <Directory "/var/mailman/archives/public/">
        Options FollowSymLinks
    </Directory>

 My error.log says the following: 

[Tue Apr 30 11:10:54 2002] [error] [client <ip addr>] File does not 
exist: /var/mailman/archives/public/test/

 Looking into that directory, indeed it dose not exist (after I following the 
sym link from public to private. There is a test.mbox directory, but no test. 
The test.mbox directory is empty as well. 

 I am getting e-mails sent to this test list, and subscription is working 
fine. Not sure where to look. 

 Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. 
--
Kind Regards, 
David A. Flanigan

dave at flanigan.net
http://www.flanigan.net





From feorag at antipope.org  Tue Apr 30 18:34:46 2002
From: feorag at antipope.org (Feorag NicBhride)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:34:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam filtering.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204301719040.22162-100000@raq981.uk2net.com.antipope.org>

My mailing list is already set up to hold posts from non-members but I'm
getting very fed up of having to manually reject spam. In particular, it's
Yahoo! addresses which are the biggest sinners. Has anyone written any
kind of Mailman add-on that will allow me to:

* automatically reject (rather than hold) non-member posts from certain
  domains, and

* send off an automatic complaint with full headers etc to the relevant
  abuse address?

bb
Feorag

-- 
The Pagan Prattle Online      -      Loony Fundie Nonsense for the Masses
               http://www.antipope.org/feorag/e-prattle/





From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Apr 30 19:16:14 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Aliases for subscribers? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lewis Lau <WTLEWIS@cityu.edu.hk> 
   of "Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:18:53 +0800." <5.1.0.14.2.20020430160447.00aa2dc0@mail.cityu.edu.hk> 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020430160447.00aa2dc0@mail.cityu.edu.hk> 
Message-ID: <2033.1020186974@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:18:53 +0800 
Lewis Lau <WTLEWIS at cityu.edu.hk> wrote:

> Let say I have a subscriber with email address "wtlewis at somewhere.com"
> on a member-only list, then he also have an email alias
> "lewis.lau at somewhere.com" refer to the same email account. Is that any
> way to tell the mailman these two email addresses are actually the
> same person, so that this member can post message onto the list no
> matter the message is from "wtlewi at somewhere.com" or from
> "lewis.lau at somewhere.com"?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Apr 30 19:22:58 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:22:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam filtering.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204301719040.22162-100000@raq981.uk2net.com.antipope.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204301719040.22162-100000@raq981.uk2net.com.antipope.org>
Message-ID: <200204301719.NAA02353@salsa.haht.com>

The 2.1.x version is for you (but is still in beta).  If you look in the FAQ, 
you will see a workaround that is good for the 2.0.x version


Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

 --- Original Message: Tuesday 30 April 2002 12:34 pm ---
> My mailing list is already set up to hold posts from non-members but I'm
> getting very fed up of having to manually reject spam. In particular, it's
> Yahoo! addresses which are the biggest sinners. Has anyone written any
> kind of Mailman add-on that will allow me to:
>
> * automatically reject (rather than hold) non-member posts from certain
>   domains, and
>
> * send off an automatic complaint with full headers etc to the relevant
>   abuse address?
>
> bb
> Feorag




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Apr 30 20:35:49 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:35:49 -0700
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Password?
In-Reply-To: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDIEIACCAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
References: <JHEKLBGMBHPFIBJOBIFDIEIACCAA.mihail.tsagidis@bay4you.de>
Message-ID: <p05111703b8f4939db739@[192.168.1.50]>

At 13:04 +0200 4/30/2002, Mihail Tsagidis wrote:
>As an administrator of a list only, how is it possible to change a password to
>a specific one of a user that you manually subscribe via web-interface?
>
>Because i would like to choose a specific (for all members equal password) for
>every one I manually subscribe (as a list admin).

Given that you do not have access to the command line tools or the Mailman
source, I think the best you can do is subscribe the users via the mail
interface, specifying the desired (constant) password.

I would use (Mac) Eudora "stationery" for that (where the stationery fills
in everything but the address being subscribed)...I don't know how to do it
in Outlook (which you used to send your message to the list).

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Apr 30 20:42:00 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:42:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain name aliases
In-Reply-To: <20020429101234.6e3ab941.tsf@opus.sirt.arizona.edu>
References: <20020429101234.6e3ab941.tsf@opus.sirt.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <p05111705b8f494cffecc@[192.168.1.50]>

At 10:12 -0700 4/29/2002, Ted Frohling wrote:
>Apologies in advance if this has been asked and answered here, haven't
>seen it.
>
>I have a list that requires posts come from registered subscribers.  Our
>mail admins have recently instituted a web mail system that uses a different
>domain name for the sender.  All us humans know it's the same place, but
>mailman sees them as distinctly different.  Is there a way to make mailman
>see u.arizona.edu and email.arizona.edu as the same?

Header rewriting (ugh!) in the MTA which directs the mail to Mailman (or
via procmail) would be one way.  Mailman source code changes (ugh!) would
be another.  Duplicating the entire set of u.arizona.edu addresses as
email.arizona.edu (set to no mail) would be yet another (UGH!).

Did the admins have a strong reason for what they did (they may well have).

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA




From julia.lytle at usm.edu  Tue Apr 30 21:13:52 2002
From: julia.lytle at usm.edu (Judy Lytle)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:13:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need off
Message-ID: <3CCEECF0.805F6AEB@usm.edu>

Hi......somehow I  find myself getting 100 e-mails daily on the
mailman-users.  I have tried to get off of the list......but when I try,
the message says I am not on the list.  PlEASE get me off.  I can't find
my own e-mails due to the 100 daily e-mails from this server.  THANKS
Julia Lytle





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Apr 30 21:39:30 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:39:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need off
In-Reply-To: <3CCEECF0.805F6AEB@usm.edu>
References: <3CCEECF0.805F6AEB@usm.edu>
Message-ID: <200204301936.PAA07574@salsa.haht.com>

Well Judy, your timing is great!

You should receive an email from the list tomorrow that indicates exactly 
which of your many fashionable email addresses is subscribed *and* it will 
contain your password so that you can actually unsubscribe yourself.

The link to use for such activities will also be inclued in the email...

Best of luck!
 --- Original Message: Tuesday 30 April 2002 03:13 pm ---
> Hi......somehow I  find myself getting 100 e-mails daily on the
> mailman-users.  I have tried to get off of the list......but when I try,
> the message says I am not on the list.  PlEASE get me off.  I can't find
> my own e-mails due to the 100 daily e-mails from this server.  THANKS
> Julia Lytle
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Apr 30 22:34:06 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:34:06 -0700
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] Password?
Message-ID: <p05111706b8f4af834134@[192.168.1.50]>

In response to:

At 13:04 +0200 4/30/2002, Mihail Tsagidis wrote:
>As an administrator of a list only, how is it possible to change a password to
>a specific one of a user that you manually subscribe via web-interface?
>
>Because i would like to choose a specific (for all members equal password) for
>every one I manually subscribe (as a list admin).

I wrote:

Given that you do not have access to the command line tools or the Mailman
source, I think the best you can do is subscribe the users via the mail
interface, specifying the desired (constant) password.

I would use (Mac) Eudora "stationery" for that (where the stationery fills
in everything but the address being subscribed)...I don't know how to do it
in Outlook (which you used to send your message to the list).

  AFTERTHOUGHT
Actually, I wouldn't use Eudora for the task, but a suitable web page which
can forge the appropriate mail message.  Forging what is needed in Eudora
would involve changing a "personality" for each outgoing message.

One of our list owners does exactly that for a couple of lists, so that
unsubscribing can also be done via her forms without password.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA




From embrey at hood.edu  Tue Apr 30 23:41:27 2002
From: embrey at hood.edu (Bruce Embrey)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:41:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need off
In-Reply-To: <3CCEECF0.805F6AEB@usm.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020430173852.00b28310@hermes.hood.edu>

Dear Judy,

Perhaps you might want to consider changing your subscription mode to 
digest. This feature would cut down on the number of emails you receive 
while still providing you with the dialog that is exchanged here.

Bruce


At 02:13 PM 4/30/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi......somehow I  find myself getting 100 e-mails daily on the
>mailman-users.  I have tried to get off of the list......but when I try,
>the message says I am not on the list.  PlEASE get me off.  I can't find
>my own e-mails due to the 100 daily e-mails from this server.  THANKS
>Julia Lytle
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Bruce Edward Embrey : OpenVMS/Linux Systems Manager / Campus Email Admin. :
Hood College: embrey at hood.edu : Phone (301)696-3927 : Fax (301)696-3913





From lakhani at MIT.EDU  Tue Apr 30 04:41:18 2002
From: lakhani at MIT.EDU (Karim R. Lakhani)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:41:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] does GNU Mailman keep list of all members joined
Message-ID: <3CCE044E.9A552465@mit.edu>

hi all,

hi i was wondering if GNU Mailman keeps track of all users that have
subscribed (ever) to the list.  Thus is there a data base that tracks
current active users and those that have unsubscribed as well? 

thanks 

Karim
-- 
===============================================
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MIT Sloan School of Management
MIT Free/Open Source Software Research Project
e-mail: lakhani at mit.edu
voice:  617-851-1224
fax:    617-344-0403
http://opensource.mit.edu
http://freesoftware.mit.edu
http://mit.edu/lakhani/www
==============================================




From smaynard at agric.uwa.edu.au  Tue Apr 30 07:37:02 2002
From: smaynard at agric.uwa.edu.au (Sandra Maynard)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:37:02 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] your software
Message-ID: <v04003a02b8f3dd88f8cc@[130.95.204.57]>

dear Mailman,
I currently use your Mailman software at work , through my univesity
system, and a fabulous system  it is indeed. Do you have any equivalent
software that would work on the web, but not using the linux operating
system? Anything more user friendly for us computer morons?

Cheers

========================================================
Sandra Maynard
Training & Extension Officer
Centre for Land Rehabilitation
University of WA
35 Stirling H'Way , CRAWLEY , WA , 6009
Australia
Ph : 08 9380 3827   	International: + 61 8 9380 3827
Fax: 08 9380 1050            "       :       + 61 8 9380 1050

CRICOS Provider Code No: 00126G

Email to:<mailto:sandra.maynard at uwa.edu.au>

Check our web site for training courses:

http://www.clr.uwa.edu.au
=========================================================
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"People successfully managing change"
 http://www.apen.org.au






From chris at centralmanclc.com  Tue Apr 30 13:19:02 2002
From: chris at centralmanclc.com (Chris Puttick)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:19:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks
Message-ID: <02Apr30.121318bst.119042@harry.trinity.manchester.sch.uk>

To everybody who's contributed to the development of this package: nice work
:-)

No questions, no problems, just neat.

I'd be very willing to contribute my time in the future to documentation
(I'd love to help with coding, but it's not my area...). Let me know if I
can be of use.

Regards

Chris Puttick
IT Manager
Central Manchester City Learning Centre
+44 (0)161 212 1972/70
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From rschaffner at gzea.com  Tue Apr 30 13:25:13 2002
From: rschaffner at gzea.com (Richard Schaffner - Manchester)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:25:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listserver Question
Message-ID: <01e101c1f03b$5dee0060$beebb5cd@gza.com>

I apologize for bothering you, but I have two quick questions.  I recently
changed Listserver packages and now use Mailman version 2.0.8.  In general,
I have found the package to be a significant improvements over other similar
Listserver packages.  Given my limited experience with computer systems, the
package is relatively easy to run and flexible and I sincerely appreciate
your contribution in putting this together.

Two questions, though:

1) I have set the Listserver to moderated format so that messages go to a
queue awaiting my approval.  This works well, but when I make revisions to
queued messages, those changes are ***not*** reflected on the messages
actually posted.  I am sure it must be a setting issue, but I have been all
over the site and have not been able to figure out how to fix this.

2) Is there a way I can block posts from certain addresses from ever
reaching the queue?

Regards,

I. Richard Schaffner, Jr., P.G., C.G.W.P.
Technical Specialist, GZA GeoEnvironmental, Inc. (http://www.gza.net)
Moderator, Bioremediation Discussion Group (http://bioremediationgroup.org)
E-mail: rschaffner at gza.com
Phone: 603.623.3600
Fax: 603.624.9463





From kambri at texinthecity.com  Tue Apr 30 22:51:27 2002
From: kambri at texinthecity.com (Kambri Crews)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:51:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <003b01c1f088$cd65bda0$c8010115@salsns.com>

Is there a way to store more info other than email  addresses?  I would like to store subscriber's first & last names, addresses and other information.

Thanks in advance!

Kambri

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From talk at dvdtalk.com  Tue Apr 30 23:21:57 2002
From: talk at dvdtalk.com (Geoffrey Kleinman)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:21:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions about Mailman
Message-ID: <LOBBJIAFDJPEJCANDIOHOECJOPAA.talk@dvdtalk.com>

Hi,

We've been in Lyris Hell for a number of months and are looking to move to
another product. Been looking over Mailman and it looks really good.

A couple of questions:

Which version of Python do you recommend running. We have 1.5.2 installed
should we use a more recent version?
We have a total of 290K members, will Mailman support this?
Which MTA do you recommend, We use Qmail on our other server but would be
open to using something else for Mailman?

Finally, what's the speed of send out of Mailman v. a Lyris?

Thanks in Advance,
Geoff

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Kleinman.com, Inc.
Email: talk at DVDTalk.com
Phone: 503.977.2928 Fax: 702.995.9303

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