From jonc at haht.com  Fri Feb  1 00:38:48 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:38:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies?
References: <00be01c1a926$46e13420$9208ff0a@office.uniserve.ca>
Message-ID: <022801c1aab0$6eff36b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

In IE 6 you will need to set your security setting for that site:
>From the menu of IE v6:
  Tools
    Internet Options
      Security (tab)
        Trusted Sites (the green check mark)
        "Sites..." button
          Require server Verification (https:) - remove click
          Add your site in the "Add this web site..." area

Once you do that, IE will allow Mailman's cgi to operate properly with the
Cookie that it stores locally on your machine.

If someone else could verify this behavior we should post it to the FAQ...

Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keenan Tims" <ktims at uniserve.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:37 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies?


> Just installed MM at my site, all the list functions seem fine, but I'm
> having trouble with the cookie authentication on the admin portion of the
> web interface.  I can log in with out a problem, but as soon as I click on
> any links, or click submit, it says the cookie verification failed.  Seems
> to work fine with links, but IE6 (at least) has problems.
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Keenan Tims
> ktims at uniserve.com
> UNIServe Online Technical Support
> Toll Free: 1-877-864-7378x329 Lower Mainland: 604-856-6281x329
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> "The sender intends this message for a specific recipient and, as it may
> contain information that is privileged or confidential, any use,
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> necessarily those of the company".
>
>
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:26:53 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing mailman
References: <000f01c1a90b$8c7e33e0$88dafea9@awesome>
Message-ID: <3C59D2BD.E70DEA95@pcraft.com>

Ben Kempner wrote:

> How do you customize the colors, appearance, etc of mailman?

    Through the list admin interface.  Second column, third link:

    Edit the HTML for the public list pages.

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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:35:56 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:35:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial problems.
References: <02013017164401.25150@john>
Message-ID: <3C59D4DC.76E8AFD0@pcraft.com>

john at wexfordpress.com wrote:

> smtp:
> Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
> refused')Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003
> seconds

    Your system is not allowing mail to be delivered.  This is an MTA problem,
not Mailman.  Check your MTA (in this case Exim).  I don't know how Exim works,
but you may have to check whether it's actually up and running, and allowing
mail to be delivered.  Try telnetting to port 25, see what you get:  telnet
localhost 25

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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:31:07 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:31:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to properly backup mailman
References: <3C57A5CF.5E564828@webphilippines.com>
Message-ID: <3C59D3BB.F71D9CB1@pcraft.com>

Ferdinand Mangio wrote:

> Thanks for creating such an outstanding software.
> My question is how to properly backup Mailman on Linux 6.2 using tar
> command, because I'm having difficulty on this.

  Personally, I backup the following on my list server:

  /home/mailman
  /usr/local/apache (mailman config is in there)
  /var/spool/cron/mailman (single file)

  And I do all of that in one fell swoop:

  tar cfI - /home/mailman /usr/local/apache /var/spool/cron/mailman > \
    /backup/mailman.`/bin/date +\%Y\%m\%d`.tar.bz2


  This creates 'mailman.20020130.tar.bz2'
  Since my backup runs every night, I get nice daily backups, with dates
in them.


--
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:31:55 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:31:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aol users
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0201301540510.38688-100000@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <3C59D3EB.DF529287@pcraft.com>

sean pambianco wrote:

> Are there any known issues regarding aol subscribers to mailman lists?

    The only problems I've ever run up again with AOL users are that 99%
of them post in HTML format and don't know, or can not turn it off, and
the level of spam also tends to increase a bit.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:33:51 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:33:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot the password
References: <OF7D21A290.E87CDCB2-ON86256B51.005EE7E6@wivnet.com>
Message-ID: <3C59D45F.123D7D2E@pcraft.com>

gtaylor at wivnet.com wrote:

> I have created a mailing list and now I have forgotten the password.  How
> can I reset the password?  Thanks a ton for any info you can give.

    You'll have to reset it through the site admin login.  If you are the
site admin, then log in to the list interface, using the site admin
password.  Under General Options (the first page that comes up), scroll all
the way down, enter the SITE ADMIN password for the current one, then  set a
new one.  The beauty of the site admin login...

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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:37:54 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:37:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman compatible with reader?
References: <20020130.222143.-399383.0.mailtophil@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3C59D552.57B76CEB@pcraft.com>

mailtophil at juno.com wrote:

> Is there Reader software that works with Mailman digests?

    Could you please restate your question more clearly?

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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:39:14 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:39:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with new Mailman installation
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0201311351200.29721-100000@sunhalle106>
Message-ID: <3C59D5A1.28EE21F@pcraft.com>

Goeran Moritz Zaengerlein wrote:

> post to test from mailman-owner at servername.de size=1346, 1 failures
> in smtp:
> All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused')
> smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds
> and in smtp-failure:
> -1 zaengerl at in.tum.de (ignore)

    Connection refused usually points to your MTA not accepting the message
for delivery.  Can you verify that sendmail is up and running, and accepts,
and delivers email?

--
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  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:37:18 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:37:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and  Windows 2000 Server
References: <023801c1a942$7c5119b0$6501a8c0@amy>
Message-ID: <3C59D52E.24D6E6D5@pcraft.com>

Amy Hern wrote:

> My server runs on Windows 2000 Server.  Is the Mailman program
> compatible with this server software?  Are there any documentations
> for me to refer to to help me with the installation and running
> process?

    Hi Amy,

    From the Requirements page:

    Mailman currently runs only on Unix-y systems, such as Linux,
    Solaris, *BSD, etc. It should work on MacOSX but not earlier
    versions of MacOS. It probably does not work on Windows, although
    it's possible you could get it running on a Cygwin system (please
    let the developer community know if you have success with this!)

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  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb  1 00:40:30 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:40:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
References: <sc56c3f3.073@SAC_MAIL.CORP.EDFUND.ORG>
Message-ID: <3C59D5EE.767F4B04@pcraft.com>

Cynthia Nakagawa wrote:

> Is there any way to disable the password per list.  We do not like to use a password for all the lists.

    Nope, sorry.


> Is there any way to set one default password for all users.

    Password generation gets done internally when a user gets added.  So no, unless you want to manually
edit every single user.


> If not do you have to manually have the user go to the website and change it for all lists?

    Pretty much.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Feb  1 02:40:24 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:40:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <3C59D5EE.767F4B04@pcraft.com>
References: <sc56c3f3.073@SAC_MAIL.CORP.EDFUND.ORG>
 <3C59D5EE.767F4B04@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <p05101404b87f9f87c3e6@[207.149.192.229]>

At 16:40 -0700 1/31/2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>Cynthia Nakagawa wrote:
>
>> Is there any way to disable the password per list.  We do not like to
>>use a password for all the lists.
>
>    Nope, sorry.

Well, there's a way which somewhat works.

1.  Don't advertise the list on the Mailman page.  To be safer, mess up the
web server setup so the list's pages can't work.

2.  Disable the list's monthly reminders.  Hack Mailman to not send the
password with the welcome message.

3.  Provide a web page of your own which generates an email-based subscribe
request when the user clicks your form's subscribe button (whatever you
call it).  In that email, set the password to a known, constant value.
     Hint:  send subject help to listname-request at your.domain (or any
same-version Mailman installation for that matter) to learn the email
format.

4.  Provide an unsubscribe form which generates the mail-based unsubscribe
command, using the password you (think you) know.  (The unsubscribe will
generate a failure for a user who has managed to

Problems:  once your users figure out what's up, you're list is open to the
unsubscribe wars the passwords are intended to help stop, PLUS it is open
to digest vs message wars, no-mail wars, etc.  (By sufficiently messing up
the web server setup, you can force much of that to be done via email.)

But in a smallish, friendly group, it works OK.

  --John (who thinks it's easier to deal with the password fear and
loathing in most cases, and doesn't recommend the above for most
situations:  use a different MLM instead)

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From arcas at cantv.net  Fri Feb  1 04:52:27 2002
From: arcas at cantv.net (Anne Strebe)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:52:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery failure
Message-ID: <023201c1aad4$1a650020$3bd5c4a1@computer>

After our three lists were down yesterday and we found out that our Linux
system did have a power outage due to snow storms in Minesota, we were able
to recover the lists from the backup. We can now access all three lists
through the control panel, but

1)    around 9.00 pm EST we got the "bug message" for each list when trying
to access the administrator's section.

2)    Since 11.00 pm EST, the page does not load at all

3)    A test message to one of the lists brings the following return
message:

Which steps should we do next to re-activate the mailing lists?

Thanks, Anne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mail Delivery System" <Mailer-Daemon at hydro.sourcedns.com>
To: <arcas at cantv.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:44 PM
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender


> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>   pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post
tf-board_tolefriends.com
>     generated by Tf-board at tolefriends.com
>     Child process of virtual_address_pipe transport returned 1 from
command:
>     /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper
>
> The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
>
> ------ pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post
tf-board_tolefriends.com
>        generated by Tf-board at tolefriends.com ------
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in main
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
>   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79,
in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891,
in Load
>     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
>   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868,
in __load
>     fp = open(dbfile)
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/tf-board_tolefriends.com/config.db
'
>
> ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------
>
> Return-path: <arcas at cantv.net>
> Received: from rs9s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net ([200.44.32.49])
> by hydro.sourcedns.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1)
> id 16WUd0-00048v-00
> for Tf-board at tolefriends.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:44:42 -0500
> Received: from computer (nas1-058.ras.poz.cantv.net [161.196.213.59])
> by rs9s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.10.2/8.10.2/2.0) with SMTP id
g113ifd32012
> for <Tf-board at tolefriends.com>; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:44:41 -0400
> Message-ID: <01fa01c1aad2$cab1f980$3bd5c4a1 at computer>
> Reply-To: "Anne Strebe" <arcas at cantv.net>
> From: "Anne Strebe" <arcas at cantv.net>
> To: <Tf-board at tolefriends.com>
> Subject:
> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:44:19 -0400
> Organization: Arcas del Arte
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
>
>
>
>
>
> Anne Strebe, SDP, FPDA
> Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela
> arcas at cantv.net
> http://tolefriends.com
> http://arcas.paintwebs.com
> http://paintwebs.com
> ******************************
> Rom. 8:28
>




From lcalvin at interaccess.com  Fri Feb  1 05:10:30 2002
From: lcalvin at interaccess.com (Lynn Calvin)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:10:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL subscribers and mailman?
In-Reply-To: <E16WUo0-0007Or-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020131220808.05d30990@pop.interaccess.com>

At 10:56 PM 1/31/02 -0500, you wrote:
>sean pambianco wrote:
>
> > Are there any known issues regarding aol subscribers to mailman lists?
>
>     The only problems I've ever run up again with AOL users are that 99%
>of them post in HTML format and don't know, or can not turn it off, and
>the level of spam also tends to increase a bit.
We've only got a week and a half of mailman, (just converted 11,000 total 
subscribers on160 different lists) but our AOL subscribers are 
*profoundly*  grateful for no-mime digests which are very clean compared to 
listproc's, which we were using previously.


-- 
Lynn Calvin
lcalvin at interaccess.com
listmgr at uua.org (as part of the list management  volunteer team).
Co-Moderator UU-Community Mailing List




From stone at hkust.se  Fri Feb  1 06:07:27 2002
From: stone at hkust.se (Magnus Stenman)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 06:07:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery failure
References: <023201c1aad4$1a650020$3bd5c4a1@computer>
Message-ID: <3C5A228F.6C743C@hkust.se>

You stuffed up the ownerships/permissions on the files/directories
while restoring from backup. 

Specifically this file was not possible to read:
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/tf-board_tolefriends.com/config.db

maybe try to run the included "check_perms"
or have a look at the backups for the proper attributes of the files.


/magnus

Anne Strebe wrote:
> 
> After our three lists were down yesterday and we found out that our Linux
> system did have a power outage due to snow storms in Minesota, we were able
> to recover the lists from the backup. We can now access all three lists
> through the control panel, but
> 
> 1)    around 9.00 pm EST we got the "bug message" for each list when trying
> to access the administrator's section.
> 
> 2)    Since 11.00 pm EST, the page does not load at all
> 
> 3)    A test message to one of the lists brings the following return
> message:
> 
> Which steps should we do next to re-activate the mailing lists?
> 
> Thanks, Anne
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mail Delivery System" <Mailer-Daemon at hydro.sourcedns.com>
> To: <arcas at cantv.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:44 PM
> Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
> 
> > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
> >
> > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
> >
> >   pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> tf-board_tolefriends.com
> >     generated by Tf-board at tolefriends.com
> >     Child process of virtual_address_pipe transport returned 1 from
> command:
> >     /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper
> >
> > The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
> >
> > ------ pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> tf-board_tolefriends.com
> >        generated by Tf-board at tolefriends.com ------
> >
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in main
> >     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
> >   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79,
> in __init__
> >     self.Load()
> >   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891,
> in Load
> >     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
> >   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868,
> in __load
> >     fp = open(dbfile)
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/tf-board_tolefriends.com/config.db
> '
> >
> > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------
> >
> > Return-path: <arcas at cantv.net>
> > Received: from rs9s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net ([200.44.32.49])
> > by hydro.sourcedns.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1)
> > id 16WUd0-00048v-00
> > for Tf-board at tolefriends.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:44:42 -0500
> > Received: from computer (nas1-058.ras.poz.cantv.net [161.196.213.59])
> > by rs9s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.10.2/8.10.2/2.0) with SMTP id
> g113ifd32012
> > for <Tf-board at tolefriends.com>; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:44:41 -0400
> > Message-ID: <01fa01c1aad2$cab1f980$3bd5c4a1 at computer>
> > Reply-To: "Anne Strebe" <arcas at cantv.net>
> > From: "Anne Strebe" <arcas at cantv.net>
> > To: <Tf-board at tolefriends.com>
> > Subject:
> > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:44:19 -0400
> > Organization: Arcas del Arte
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > X-Priority: 3
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anne Strebe, SDP, FPDA
> > Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela
> > arcas at cantv.net
> > http://tolefriends.com
> > http://arcas.paintwebs.com
> > http://paintwebs.com
> > ******************************
> > Rom. 8:28
> >
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Fri Feb  1 10:40:51 2002
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:40:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies
In-Reply-To: <46.219ecc75.298871c0@aol.com>
References: <46.219ecc75.298871c0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <02020109405105.23959@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

if "MM-version > 2.06" and "browser is konqueror" 
	then MM don't will work with passwords.

- oliver



> > Can you tell me why I get the message "error decoding authorization cookie"
> when I try to access private archives.
> Thank you




From jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi  Fri Feb  1 11:01:06 2002
From: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:01:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Icons aren't showing
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020201115414.026cf828@laatikko.saunalahti.fi>

Hi there,

I can't get the footer images showing, there's just empty boxes instead of 
them.

The mm_cfg.py looks like this:
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'


and httpd.conf:
Alias /icons/ /home/mailman/icons/
<Directory /home/mailman/icons/>
         Options Indexes MultiViews
         AllowOverride None
         Order allow,deny
         Allow from all
</Directory>

I don't understand how it's still not working. The images are in the 
/home/mailman/icons folder with read access for everyone.
When I look at the source of the pages 
(http://kepardi.cc.tut.fi/mailman/listinfo), it looks like everything was 
OK and the path to the images is /icons/. Still the images aren't there.

TIA,
Jarkko



--
Jarkko Laine                                               Tel: +358-50-3588858
Tampere University of Technology                 Email: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi
Industrial Management                      




From e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl  Fri Feb  1 11:30:26 2002
From: e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl (Erik van der Meulen)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:30:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Alias
Message-ID: <20020201113026.A20199@avondel.nl>

Dear List - this is a RTFM I know, but in case of Apache the FM is
hudge, so I hope somebody can pull this right out of the hat...

My Mailman (1.1) documentation reads:

   Configure your Web server to point to the Pipermail public
   mailing list archives:
   For example, in Apache:
     Alias /pipermail/ $prefix/archives/public/

My question is: in what file does this go, and where exactly?
I have access.conf and httpd.conf

Other thing is that I would like to alias the name:
www.myhost.nl/cgi-bin/mailman to something a little
easier like www.myhost.nl/mailman. Again, I would
like to know how to do this in Apache.

Thanks a lot, best regards.

--
  Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>



From mas at codix.net  Fri Feb  1 11:55:40 2002
From: mas at codix.net (Michael Styer)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:55:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] external data store/setting and changing member passwords
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202011050490.26535-100000@alzirr.codix.net>

Hi there,

I was just reading through the archives from December and I came across a
mention that in MM2.1, it will be/is possible to store list member
information in an external datastore, eg. an SQL database. 

This would be a big help to me, because I'd like to be able to set and
change the passwords for list members programmatically from another
database, and currently I can't see any way of doing that using the
existing Mailman interface scripts. 

So, I have two questions:

1) Can someone confirm that storing member data, eg. passwords, in an
external SQL database will be possible in MM2.1?

2) Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might go about setting the
password for users added programmatically to lists, rather than having
Mailman choose arbitrary passwords itself?

Thanks for your help.

mas

-- 
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phone: 020 7603 5723	107 Shepherd's Bush Rd
fax: 020 7603 2504	London W6 7LP




From jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi  Fri Feb  1 12:12:24 2002
From: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:12:24 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Apache Alias
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.30.0202011307210.23225-100000@lehtori.cc.tut.fi>

Erik wrote:
>My question is: in what file does this go, and where exactly?
>I have access.conf and httpd.conf

In the hhtpd.conf, works at least for me in the end of the file.

>Other thing is that I would like to alias the name:
>www.myhost.nl/cgi-bin/mailman to something a little
>easier like www.myhost.nl/mailman. Again, I would
>like to know how to do this in Apache.

In the same file:
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/

Regards,
Jarkko


--
Jarkko Laine				jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi
Tampere University of Technology
Industrial Engineering and Management	+358-(0)50-3588858




From info at atomic.fr  Fri Feb  1 13:06:17 2002
From: info at atomic.fr (Atomic)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:06:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer
Message-ID: <00a501c1ab18$daba6ce0$d201a8c0@titi>

Hi

I ran a mailman list for few months,

I would like to put the email address of the addressee in the footer but I
don't know how to do can someone help me ?

the server is : Apache/1.3.22

thanks in advance

Christian Chataignier





From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Fri Feb  1 13:11:58 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 01 Feb 2002 12:11:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer
In-Reply-To: <00a501c1ab18$daba6ce0$d201a8c0@titi>
References: <00a501c1ab18$daba6ce0$d201a8c0@titi>
Message-ID: <1012565518.23158.13.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 12:06, Atomic wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I ran a mailman list for few months,
> 
> I would like to put the email address of the addressee in the footer but I
> don't know how to do can someone help me ?

You cannot do this with Mailman.
To do so means each recipients mail must be individually generated,
rather than a standard mail being passed to the MTA in multi-recipient
batches.

It might be possible to do this in a sufficiently broken MTA.

It is a seriously bad idea for all sorts of reasons.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Feb  1 13:26:11 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 01 Feb 2002 13:26:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email?
In-Reply-To: "Ben Kempner"'s message of "Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:54:43 -0700"
References: <001801c1a9c7$f757d880$88dafea9@awesome>
Message-ID: <m3wuxxl76k.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Ben Kempner" <ben at jibmedia.com> writes:

> Where can I find documentation (or can anyone tell me?) on how to
> unsubscribe/subscribe people to my mailing list via emails instead
> of the web-interface?

Send a mail to the listname-request at mailman.server address with the
word "help" in to the body or subject. Only "help". In the answer you
get the instuctions. It's only for listmembers, not for listadmins.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Feb  1 13:46:27 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 01 Feb 2002 13:46:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to properly backup mailman
In-Reply-To: "Ferdinand E. Mangio"'s message of "Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:42:12 +0800"
References: <000101c1aa00$e2f232d0$0c00a8c0@gent>
Message-ID: <m3r8o5l68s.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Ferdinand E. Mangio" <ferdinand.mangio at webphilippines.com> writes:

> My question is how to properly backup mailman on linux 6.2 using tar.

man tar

tar cf /tmp/backup.tar /etc /home/mailman

 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.



From jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi  Fri Feb  1 13:56:40 2002
From: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:56:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Icons aren't showing
In-Reply-To: <1012567134.10255.22.camel@eme_lap>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020201115414.026cf828@laatikko.saunalahti.fi>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20020201115414.026cf828@laatikko.saunalahti.fi>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020201145059.026e8080@127.0.0.1>

Thanks for your help, Erik, but it didn't help for me. Instead I found out 
that there is an icons directory in /var/www, which isn't even under the 
html-root. Still Apache thinks that /icons/ directory under the web root 
means that directory. And this though I explicitely made an alias /icons/ 
to the /home/mailman/icons.

So I changed the alias and IMAGE_LOGOS to /mm_icons/ and it started working 
immediately.

Conclusion: Don't use the default /icons/ alias for logos, if you're using 
Apache. It seems to be working for the most, but not for everybody, 
including me.

-jarkko-

At 13:38 1.2.2002 +0100, you wrote:
>On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 11:01, Jarkko Laine wrote:
>
> > I can't get the footer images showing, there's just empty boxes instead of
> > them.
> >
> > The mm_cfg.py looks like this:
> > # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
> > IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'
>
>Hi again, maybe I can return the favour now.
>I have found that it needed the full URL (including http://etc.)
>to work. Not sure why, bit it did the trick.
>
>--
>   Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>

--
Jarkko Laine                                               Tel: +358-50-3588858
Tampere University of Technology                 Email: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi
Industrial Management                      




From nb at thinkcoach.com  Fri Feb  1 15:11:17 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:11:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer
In-Reply-To: <1012565518.23158.13.camel@gaspode.localnet> (message from Nigel
	Metheringham on 01 Feb 2002 12:11:58 +0000)
References: <00a501c1ab18$daba6ce0$d201a8c0@titi> <1012565518.23158.13.camel@gaspode.localnet>
Message-ID: <200202011411.g11EBHJ21625@quill.local>

> > I would like to put the email address of the addressee in the footer but I
> > don't know how to do can someone help me ?
> 
> You cannot do this with Mailman.
> To do so means each recipients mail must be individually generated,
> rather than a standard mail being passed to the MTA in multi-recipient
> batches.
> 
> It might be possible to do this in a sufficiently broken MTA.

It's possible with qmail (with the qmail-verh patch).

> It is a seriously bad idea for all sorts of reasons.

If you use qmail anyway, there will be no disadvantage from
putting the addressee's email address into the footer.

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
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Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From keithp at keithp.com  Fri Feb  1 16:54:41 2002
From: keithp at keithp.com (Keith Packard)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:54:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:40:51 GMT."
             <02020109405105.23959@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> 
Message-ID: <E16Wg1R-0003t2-00@localhost>

Around 9 o'clock on Feb 1, Oliver Egginger wrote:

> if "MM-version > 2.06" and "browser is konqueror" 
> 	then MM don't will work with passwords.

For some reason, konqueror sends back cookies with " marks around them.

Keith Packard        XFree86 Core Team        Compaq Cambridge Research Lab





From tdavis at birddog.com  Sat Feb  2 04:09:55 2002
From: tdavis at birddog.com (tdavis at birddog.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:09:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in qrunner
Message-ID: <3C5B5883.3070000@birddog.com>

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
     lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
     self.__write()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.hermes.18918'


What does this mean?  Mailman owns the lockfiles.

-- 
Terry Davis
Systems Administrator
BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
(402) 829-6059




From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Feb  2 06:11:35 2002
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: 02 Feb 2002 14:11:35 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in qrunner
In-Reply-To: <3C5B5883.3070000@birddog.com>
References: <3C5B5883.3070000@birddog.com>
Message-ID: <87k7tw4ge0.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "tdavis" == tdavis  <tdavis at birddog.com> writes:

    tdavis> What does this mean?  Mailman owns the lockfiles.

Does it own the directory where they're being created?  Or is that
what you mean by "owns the lockfiles"?


-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
              Don't ask how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From keli at kmdsz.ro  Sat Feb  2 16:10:13 2002
From: keli at kmdsz.ro (Kelemen Zoltan)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:10:13 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everithing loks fine, but it just won't work
Message-ID: <1012662613.3c5c0155a11b3@www.kmdsz.ro>

I just installed mailman 2.0.8 , configured it properly (well at least I think so :) ), and even created my very first test-list. 

I've got the mail, confirming it was created, added the aliases to the alias file and everything but when I wanted to check out the web interface it wasn't working.

It ain't working in the sense that it soesn't accepts any new subscriptions, it doesn't accept any kind of password (neither admin nor site)... otherwise, I can see the list, it's there, it has been created, I "just" can't access it.

Take a look at it youselves:

http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/admin

or

http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/listinfo

the admin password for list "teszt" is "teszt".

HELP!

 thnx,
  zOLtaN



From tdavis at birddog.com  Sat Feb  2 17:46:52 2002
From: tdavis at birddog.com (tdavis at birddog.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 10:46:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everithing loks fine, but it just won't work
References: <1012662613.3c5c0155a11b3@www.kmdsz.ro>
Message-ID: <3C5C17FC.6000505@birddog.com>

did you set up the cronjobs for the mailman user?  Particularly the 
qrunner cronjob?  Look in 'qfiles' and see if there are messages in there.

Kelemen Zoltan wrote:

> I just installed mailman 2.0.8 , configured it properly (well at least I think so :) ), and even created my very first test-list. 
> 
> I've got the mail, confirming it was created, added the aliases to the alias file and everything but when I wanted to check out the web interface it wasn't working.
> 
> It ain't working in the sense that it soesn't accepts any new subscriptions, it doesn't accept any kind of password (neither admin nor site)... otherwise, I can see the list, it's there, it has been created, I "just" can't access it.
> 
> Take a look at it youselves:
> 
> http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/admin
> 
> or
> 
> http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/listinfo
> 
> the admin password for list "teszt" is "teszt".
> 
> HELP!
> 
>  thnx,
>   zOLtaN
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


-- 
Terry Davis
Systems Administrator
BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
(402) 829-6059




From tdavis at birddog.com  Sat Feb  2 17:59:34 2002
From: tdavis at birddog.com (tdavis at birddog.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 10:59:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everithing loks fine, but it just won't work
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202021752460.12587-100000@corvin.kmdsz.ro>
Message-ID: <3C5C1AF6.60308@birddog.com>

hrm, simple question but did you verify that you are subscribed to the 
list?   What does maillog say on your smtp server?

Kelemen Zoltan wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 tdavis at birddog.com wrote:
> 
> 
>>did you set up the cronjobs for the mailman user?  Particularly the 
>>qrunner cronjob?  Look in 'qfiles' and see if there are messages in there.
>>
> 
> I did do what the INSTALL said: 
> crontab crontab.in 
> (or something alike). I suppose that should've done the job, because I 
> have a mailman file in /var/spool/cron, and it looks just like the one I 
> wanted to put there. (the deafult, except news gating commented out)
> 
> qfiles is empty. that's good or bad?
> 
>  
> 
>>Kelemen Zoltan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It ain't working in the sense that it soesn't accepts any new subscriptions, it doesn't accept any kind of password (neither admin nor site)... otherwise, I can see the list, it's there, it has been created, I "just" can't access it.
>>>http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/listinfo
>>>


-- 
Terry Davis
Systems Administrator
BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
(402) 829-6059




From keli at corvin.kmdsz.ro  Sat Feb  2 17:19:47 2002
From: keli at corvin.kmdsz.ro (Kelemen Zoltan)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:19:47 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everithing loks fine, but it just won't work
In-Reply-To: <3C5C1AF6.60308@birddog.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202021813160.12986-100000@corvin.kmdsz.ro>

well, I wasn't subscribed to it, but that didn't help. The web interface 
still ain't working, or won't accept ANYTHING from me, just keeps 
returning default answers (i guess).

my maillog doesn't say anythig special... (and it's pretty boring lookin 
through it, because I run a webmail script, and then it's full of imap 
authentication stuff :) )

the logs of mailman don't say a word...I managed to add myself as a new 
user with the command-line program in mailman/bin.. that worked. I sent a 
mail, that worked too. It's clearly just the webinterface that's fishy...
Oh. and the message appeared in the archives too...

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 tdavis at birddog.com wrote:

> hrm, simple question but did you verify that you are subscribed to the 
> list?   What does maillog say on your smtp server?
> 
> Kelemen Zoltan wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 tdavis at birddog.com wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>did you set up the cronjobs for the mailman user?  Particularly the 
> >>qrunner cronjob?  Look in 'qfiles' and see if there are messages in there.
> >>
> > 
> > I did do what the INSTALL said: 
> > crontab crontab.in 
> > (or something alike). I suppose that should've done the job, because I 
> > have a mailman file in /var/spool/cron, and it looks just like the one I 
> > wanted to put there. (the deafult, except news gating commented out)
> > 
> > qfiles is empty. that's good or bad?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >>Kelemen Zoltan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>It ain't working in the sense that it soesn't accepts any new subscriptions, it doesn't accept any kind of password (neither admin nor site)... otherwise, I can see the list, it's there, it has been created, I "just" can't access it.
> >>>http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/listinfo
> >>>
> 
> 
> 




From tdavis at birddog.com  Sat Feb  2 18:37:17 2002
From: tdavis at birddog.com (tdavis at birddog.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:37:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everithing loks fine, but it just won't work
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202021813160.12986-100000@corvin.kmdsz.ro>
Message-ID: <3C5C23CD.3080906@birddog.com>

then you are in business, kinda.  I think if you specify the web-gid 
incorrectly, it gives you an informative screen telling you what you did 
wrong.  Are you using apache on the webserver?  Paste the relavent 
config information from your apache config.


Kelemen Zoltan wrote:

> well, I wasn't subscribed to it, but that didn't help. The web interface 
> still ain't working, or won't accept ANYTHING from me, just keeps 
> returning default answers (i guess).
> 
> my maillog doesn't say anythig special... (and it's pretty boring lookin 
> through it, because I run a webmail script, and then it's full of imap 
> authentication stuff :) )
> 
> the logs of mailman don't say a word...I managed to add myself as a new 
> user with the command-line program in mailman/bin.. that worked. I sent a 
> mail, that worked too. It's clearly just the webinterface that's fishy...
> Oh. and the message appeared in the archives too...
> 
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 tdavis at birddog.com wrote:
> 
> 
>>hrm, simple question but did you verify that you are subscribed to the 
>>list?   What does maillog say on your smtp server?
>>
>>Kelemen Zoltan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 tdavis at birddog.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>did you set up the cronjobs for the mailman user?  Particularly the 
>>>>qrunner cronjob?  Look in 'qfiles' and see if there are messages in there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I did do what the INSTALL said: 
>>>crontab crontab.in 
>>>(or something alike). I suppose that should've done the job, because I 
>>>have a mailman file in /var/spool/cron, and it looks just like the one I 
>>>wanted to put there. (the deafult, except news gating commented out)
>>>
>>>qfiles is empty. that's good or bad?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>>Kelemen Zoltan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It ain't working in the sense that it soesn't accepts any new subscriptions, it doesn't accept any kind of password (neither admin nor site)... otherwise, I can see the list, it's there, it has been created, I "just" can't access it.
>>>>>http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/listinfo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>


-- 
Terry Davis
Systems Administrator
BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
(402) 829-6059




From keli at corvin.kmdsz.ro  Sat Feb  2 17:46:51 2002
From: keli at corvin.kmdsz.ro (Kelemen Zoltan)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:46:51 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everithing loks fine, but it just won't work
In-Reply-To: <3C5C23CD.3080906@birddog.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202021840030.13187-100000@corvin.kmdsz.ro>

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 tdavis at birddog.com wrote:
yep, apache server, here comes config stuff:
user,group both set to apache. (note: I configured mailman with 
--with-cgi-gid='apache www nobody' otpion)

then, inside <ifmodule mod_alias>
 ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

    Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

    <Directory "/home/mailman/archives">
       Options +FollowSymlinks
    </Directory>

I guess that's all that's mailman-related... but this should work too, 
because i f*d it up a few times, before it started to work (well before 
it started to act like it at least) ;)

> then you are in business, kinda.  I think if you specify the web-gid 
> incorrectly, it gives you an informative screen telling you what you did 
> wrong.  Are you using apache on the webserver?  Paste the relavent 
> config information from your apache config.
> 
> 




From mitol at optushome.com.au  Sun Feb  3 03:30:43 2002
From: mitol at optushome.com.au (Joe Mizzi)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:30:43 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail + mailman
Message-ID: <002201c1ac5a$c80528e0$93f3a4cb@vic.optushome.com.au>

Im having some trouble with large posts (around 400k, their html) 
Each time mailman sends these large posts out, it gets to about the 3rd or 4th user then just hangs qmail.
Qmail then needs to be restarted to work again

I know this isn't a qmail mailing list but help would be greatly appreciated

Joe
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From support at haxial.com  Fri Feb  1 09:05:11 2002
From: support at haxial.com (Haxial)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:05:11 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users confused about unsubscribing
Message-ID: <200202010804.g1184U401419@mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Hi, first of all I'd like to say that Mailman is great.

However, there's one thing about it that I think could be improved.  I 
find that users are confused about how to unsubscribe, and then they 
email me asking me to remove them from the list because they couldn't 
figure it out themselves.  It's irritating having to answer that question.

I think what happens is this:  the user receives another message from the 
mailing list, and decides they no longer want to be on the list.  So they 
look to the instructions at the bottom of the email.  There is the URL 
there, so they click the URL which takes them to the lists page.  Then 
they see the sections/titles on that page:

   About Discussion
   Using Discussion
   Subscribing to Discussion
   Discussion Subscribers

But wait, there's no option there for unsubscribing!  So then they email 
me asking how to unsubscribe.

Yes, I know if you look more carefully, if you read the text at the end 
of the "Discussion Subscribers" section, it says:   "To change your 
subscription (set options like digest and delivery modes, get a reminder 
of your password, or unsubscribe from Discussion), enter your 
subscription email address".  And then click "Edit Options", and THEN on 
that second page you can enter your password to unsubscribe.

But users don't see that.  I even missed it myself the first time.   It's 
easy to miss because it's a single word in a sentence that is talking 
about something completely unrelated (editing options).

What would be much better is if you added another title/section similar 
to the "Subscribing to Discussion" section but titled "Unsubscribing".  
And you type in your email address and your password, and click the 
"Unsubscribe" button.  Then it would be clear and obvious.

Thanks.

________________________________________________________
http://www.haxial.com                 support at haxial.com




From epulido at cabgc.org  Fri Feb  1 12:45:37 2002
From: epulido at cabgc.org (Esther Pulido)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:45:37 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just a question - Language support
Message-ID: <000801c1ab15$f8432f20$e401a8c0@esther>

Hallo, I am Esther Pulido from Spain, Canary Island. 

I have just installed mailman in my webmail server and everything is working right. The problem is that the users of this server do not understand much English. Have you got language support, so that they may receive the admin-messages in Spanish?

Thanks a lot for your attention.

Esther Pulido

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From Nicolas.Gauthier at cnes.fr  Fri Feb  1 14:32:28 2002
From: Nicolas.Gauthier at cnes.fr (Gauthier Nicolas)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:32:28 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List categories
Message-ID: <200202011346.g11DkEs06835@cnes.fr>

Hi,

after having searched a bit in the Python archives and in Mailman Whishlist of mailman software, I post a question here: I use mailman since about 3 days (!!), and I realise that we're going to need list categories. Is it possible to do this, may be using another software ?

Thanks very much for any pointer on that topic,

N. Gauthier.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> CNES 18, Av. Edouard Belin
> 31401 Toulouse Cedex 4  France  Email : Nicolas.Gauthier at cnes.fr
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



From rhaine at vianetworks.nl  Fri Feb  1 16:37:05 2002
From: rhaine at vianetworks.nl (Ralph Haine)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:37:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing without the use of passwords?
Message-ID: <FOECICANHPNEOJEBBJKDEELGCEAA.rhaine@vianetworks.nl>

Dear Reader(s),

Currently im trying to help one on our customers solving a problem dealing
with people wanting to unsubscribe from a certain mailing list. The customer
is using mailman for the first time and asked me wether its possible for
people on the list, to unsubscribe without having to use their password.(the
password that they get sent in the monthly reminder)

I've been looking through the FAQ, and the only answer i found is that it
doesnt seem possible what this customer wants.
I didnt find a box to tick/untick which has an option to make it an
unsubscription possible without a password.

On the old mailinglist system this customer was using it was possible.

I would be very pleased if you could answer this question for me. I
personally expect that its not possible what this customer wants.

Kind regards,

Ralph Haine
Via.NET.Works Netherlands Support.




From mark at baloghsaildesigns.com  Fri Feb  1 16:36:39 2002
From: mark at baloghsaildesigns.com (Mark Balogh)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.7
Message-ID: <B8802037.2C72%mark@baloghsaildesigns.com>

Would you please tell me how much space is required on the server to run
Mailman 2.0.7? Same question for the necessary Python software.

Thanks,
Mark Balogh
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From rene at comunica2.net  Fri Feb  1 17:34:07 2002
From: rene at comunica2.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Nieuwburg?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:34:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
Message-ID: <006301c1ab3e$4df66540$a044243e@Ren>

I don't know what happened since version 2.06, but could you consider adding some archival options:

- Other archive formats like zip.(somehow my WinRar does not read the format while it usually does).

- The ability to archive Text-only, or HTML. It will be hard to explain to some to put their email program in text - only. Result is an unreadable code. Do you know of any utility to convert it into plain text or HTML?

For the rest a good program. 

Ren?


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From mark at accessidaho.org  Fri Feb  1 20:50:14 2002
From: mark at accessidaho.org (Mark Fyffe)
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:50:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysterious bounce
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0202011220460.20714-100000@tsuke>

Hello:

I'm attempting to set up mailman 2.0.8:

Solaris 8
Python 2.1.2
Qmail 1.03

I send a message to a list "developers". Everything seems fine, the
message is received by mailman, gets archived.  There no errors dumped to
syslog or to $prefix/logs/error, nor are any messages reported by qmail
after the message has been delivered to mailman.

The message is not sent back out to the members of the list, and the
following appears in the "bounce" log file:

Feb 01 14:18:02 2002 (26342) Developers: mark at accessidaho.org - 1 more
allowed over 430138 secs

Other than this, there is no evidence of the bounce, or even of mailman
trying to send the mail.  Since I get the list owner's info message when
creating the list, I'm convinced that mailman knows how to send mail, but
it doesn't appear to by trying to distribute the message to the list.

The only other log messages to appear anywhere, including syslog, after
mailman has received the mail are:

logs/smtp: Feb 01 14:18:02 2002 (26342) smtp for 1 recips, completed in
0.257 seconds
logs/post: Feb 01 14:18:02 2002 (26342) post to developers from
mark at accessidaho.org, size=366, 1 failures

Blah :-)  Any help?

bucky





From webmaster at womenfreebies.com  Sat Feb  2 18:08:59 2002
From: webmaster at womenfreebies.com (women)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:08:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <023f01c1ac0c$50332a40$5f490b0a@sk.sympatico.ca>

Hello I was wondering how many subscribers can this program handle? Do you know anyone with a big list. I have 61,000 and was wondering if it can handle it without timing out and how long would it take to send it out? James
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From mitol at optushome.com.au  Sun Feb  3 04:36:24 2002
From: mitol at optushome.com.au (Joe Mizzi)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:36:24 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail and Mailman
Message-ID: <01a901c1ac63$f4d19440$93f3a4cb@vic.optushome.com.au>

Im having some trouble with large posts (around 400k, their html)=20
Each time mailman sends these large posts out, it gets to about the 3rd =
or 4th user then just hangs qmail.
Qmail then needs to be restarted to work again

I know this isn't a qmail mailing list but help would be greatly =
appreciated

Joe





From mj at percomp.de  Sun Feb  3 09:20:52 2002
From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 09:20:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listreminder without PWs
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020203091114.00beba20@127.0.0.1>

Hi,

As we have chosen to use SSL with the Mailman-Interface it would be nice to 
get more protection for the passwords.

1.) How can we send the list reminders without the PWs?

2.) How can we limit User- and Listadministration from WEB only (no e-mail)?

3.) What about the e-mail itself? Any ideas, how to encrypt the e-mails, so 
that non-list-members will not be able to read them?

4.) Certainly there are more steps to be taken to make MailMan more secure. 
We have already chosen QMail, Apache and RSBAC to protect the system but 
are there any plans/implementations to improve MailMan in such direction?

Reg.

Matthias J?nichen




From mj at percomp.de  Sun Feb  3 09:37:51 2002
From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 09:37:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020203093745.00c8d490@127.0.0.1>

At 17:34 01.02.02 +0100, Ren? Nieuwburg wrote:
>I don't know what happened since version 2.06, but could you consider 
>adding some archival options:
>
>- Other archive formats like zip.(somehow my WinRar does not read the 
>format while it usually does).
>
>- The ability to archive Text-only, or HTML. It will be hard to explain to 
>some to put their email program in text - only. Result is an unreadable 
>code. Do you know of any utility to convert it into plain text or HTML?

even if you use TEXT, but have nonstandard chars in the text/subject like 
"???" the archives become unreadable.

I think the problem here is that the format it is stored in the archives is 
the only "transportable" one. If we strip html, the message might loose 
significant information, if we transform into something Windows-readable it 
might not readable by MACs or UNIX.

BUT I agree for the Web-Interface: to view the archives the mails must be 
transformed into something readable.

Reg.

Matthias J?nichen




From mj at percomp.de  Sun Feb  3 10:22:40 2002
From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:22:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020203102230.00cfee90@<percomp>>

At 09:08 02.02.02 -0800, women wrote:
>Hello I was wondering how many subscribers can this program handle? Do you 
>know anyone with a big list. I have 61,000 and was wondering if it can 
>handle it without timing out and how long would it take to send it out? James

I'd say: As Mailman works in batch-mode and uses the underlaying 
Mail-Program (qmail?) to send out the mails the question would rather be 
"HOW to HANDLE that amount of users"!!

What Q-Mail does if it gets a batch (or several batches) of 61.000 Mails at 
a time just depends on your infrastructure.

For handling that amout of users you could perhaps use MailMans 
Umbrella-List-Feature and split the Users on different sublist. Perhaps 
handling these sublist on different systems could also help to adress the 
above problem.


Matthias J?nichen




From e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl  Sun Feb  3 11:52:48 2002
From: e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl (Erik van der Meulen)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:52:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug against Mozilla?
Message-ID: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl>

Hi - I have just installed Mailman 1.2.4 (thanks to the support on this
list!) and I have come across the following:

If I hit the 'send' button after composing a mail, I get the hour glass
and that never goes away. The message does get send in the background,
but the compose window remains.
This happens in Mozilla 0.9.7, in the MS flavours I have checked this
functions as one would expect.

Any ideas?

Regards.

--
  Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>



From e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl  Sun Feb  3 11:57:08 2002
From: e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl (Erik van der Meulen)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:57:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug against Mozilla? - Please ignore
In-Reply-To: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl>; from e.van.der.meulen@avondel.nl on Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 11:52:48AM +0100
References: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl>
Message-ID: <20020203115708.A23740@avondel.nl>

On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 11:52:48 +0100, Erik van der Meulen wrote:

> Hi - I have just installed Mailman 1.2.4 (thanks to the support on this
> list!) and I have come across the following:

Oops - please ignore previous post, it was supposed to go to the
Squirrelmail-list - Sorry

--
  Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>



From mj at percomp.de  Sun Feb  3 13:57:03 2002
From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:57:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Subject-Routine
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020203135405.00cf6190@127.0.0.1>

Hi,

I found a bug and would like to know how to patch:

a subject with a special Character like "???" "German Umlate" causes the 
subject to look like this on repeated replies:

Subject: [Test] Re: [Test] Re: [Test] hall?le mit Umlaut

Any ideas?
Matthias J?nichen




From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  3 16:54:24 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:54:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup
Message-ID: <20020203155424.29650.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com>

I am not able to continue...as i have executed 
"make install " on a solaris 2.8,and when i try
accessing webservername.domain/mailman it says file
not found...pls help..
regs
dk

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From keli at kmdsz.ro  Sun Feb  3 17:19:54 2002
From: keli at kmdsz.ro (Kelemen Zoltan)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:19:54 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman setup
In-Reply-To: <20020203155424.29650.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020203155424.29650.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1012753194.3c5d632a92731@www.kmdsz.ro>

Id?zet sunny <hellozappy2k at yahoo.com>:

> I am not able to continue...as i have executed 
> "make install " on a solaris 2.8,and when i try
> accessing webservername.domain/mailman it says file
> not found...pls help..

make install is not enough to do the job. You have to manually config your 
webserver too, and then some other stuff. Read INSTALL carefully... there's 
quite a lot to do :(

 zOLtaN



From molnarc at pandmservices.com  Sun Feb  3 19:01:03 2002
From: molnarc at pandmservices.com (Christopher Molnar)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:01:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question on adding field to config database
Message-ID: <200202031301.03688.molnarc@pandmservices.com>

This may be a strange question, but I need to make a few patches to mailman 
(which I will happily contribute once I have figured it all out) but the idea 
is that I need to add a field to the "gateway" page: 

linked_distribution

I can get it on the page, I have tracked down pretty much how to get it all 
setup, except for adding the field to the list databases.

How can I add a gield to the config.db for a list (or prefferably all the 
lists on a single server) ?

Thanks,
-Chris



From jerry at gaberts.com  Sun Feb  3 20:00:21 2002
From: jerry at gaberts.com (Jerry Gabert)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:00:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe jerry@gaberts.com from mailman listserve
Message-ID: <000001c1ace5$07924800$6501a8c0@oemcomputer>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb  3 21:25:19 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:25:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listreminder without PWs
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020203091114.00beba20@127.0.0.1>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020203091114.00beba20@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <02020315251902.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 03 February 2002 03:20, Matthias Jaenichen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As we have chosen to use SSL with the Mailman-Interface it would be nice
> to get more protection for the passwords.
>
> 1.) How can we send the list reminders without the PWs?

Remove the job out of mailman's cron that sends out the reminder.  Add your 
own message and have cron send that instead, if you want a monthly 
reminder.

>
> 2.) How can we limit User- and Listadministration from WEB only (no
> e-mail)?

Set the list so that it does not look for Administriva, then reroute the 
list-request alias to /dev/null or to an autoresponder that sends back a 
note telling folks to use the web.

>
> 3.) What about the e-mail itself? Any ideas, how to encrypt the e-mails,
> so that non-list-members will not be able to read them?

This is interesting...  There are actually MTA's that will do this for you 
- that will encrypt the mail leaving the server, and decrypt the mail 
coming to the server.  
You could also run the mail bodies through a pre-processor that encrypted 
the bodies using something like gpg.  Procmail will allow you to do this.   
For it to work properly, you will need to have a savvy user group.  They 
will have to be smart enough to decrypt the message on their end.

>
> 4.) Certainly there are more steps to be taken to make MailMan more
> secure. We have already chosen QMail, Apache and RSBAC to protect the
> system but are there any plans/implementations to improve MailMan in such
> direction?

I can't speak for the direction of Mailman.  It's open source though, so 
feel free to pull it in the direction you would like to see it go.  All 
contributions are accepted.

Jon Carnes



From semck83 at mailandnews.com  Sun Feb  3 21:26:55 2002
From: semck83 at mailandnews.com (Stephen McKeown)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:26:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bug
Message-ID: <MABBJCDEIFLEPBKOPLIIKEIPCCAA.semck83@mailandnews.com>

Hi all,

When I try to access my list info page, or any other list page or admin
page, I get the following error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.


This just started. I buy my hosting from a company, and they have great
support, but I haven't heard back yet on this one so I thought it might help
if I could give them some pointers on what to do. Or if you could suggest a
solution I could do myself.

Many thanks,
Stephen




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb  3 21:31:53 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing without the use of passwords?
In-Reply-To: <FOECICANHPNEOJEBBJKDEELGCEAA.rhaine@vianetworks.nl>
References: <FOECICANHPNEOJEBBJKDEELGCEAA.rhaine@vianetworks.nl>
Message-ID: <02020315315303.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Look through the Archives.  There are several schemes for doing this.  
There are even some patches that modify Mailman so that certain lists do 
not use passwords.

Jon Carnes

On Friday 01 February 2002 10:37, Ralph Haine wrote:
> Dear Reader(s),
>
> Currently im trying to help one on our customers solving a problem
> dealing with people wanting to unsubscribe from a certain mailing list.
> The customer is using mailman for the first time and asked me wether its
> possible for people on the list, to unsubscribe without having to use
> their password.(the password that they get sent in the monthly reminder)
>
> I've been looking through the FAQ, and the only answer i found is that it
> doesnt seem possible what this customer wants.
> I didnt find a box to tick/untick which has an option to make it an
> unsubscription possible without a password.
>
> On the old mailinglist system this customer was using it was possible.
>
> I would be very pleased if you could answer this question for me. I
> personally expect that its not possible what this customer wants.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ralph Haine
> Via.NET.Works Netherlands Support.



From support at percomp.de  Sun Feb  3 09:30:26 2002
From: support at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 09:30:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <006301c1ab3e$4df66540$a044243e@Ren>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020203092143.00c53240@127.0.0.1>

At 17:34 01.02.02 +0100, Ren? Nieuwburg wrote:
>I don't know what happened since version 2.06, but could you consider 
>adding some archival options:
>
>- Other archive formats like zip.(somehow my WinRar does not read the 
>format while it usually does).
>
>- The ability to archive Text-only, or HTML. It will be hard to explain to 
>some to put their email program in text - only. Result is an unreadable 
>code. Do you know of any utility to convert it into plain text or HTML?

even if you use TEXT, but have nonstandard chars in the text/subject like 
"???" the archives become unreadable.

I think the problem here is that the format it is stored in the archives is 
the only "transportable" one. If we strip html, the message might loose 
significant information, if we transform into something Windows-readable it 
might not readable by MACs or UNIX.

BUT I agree for the Web-Interface: to view the archives the mails must be 
transformed into something readable.

Reg.


Matthias J?nichen
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From mikil at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Sun Feb  3 11:43:42 2002
From: mikil at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Michel Lewinger)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:43:42 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0202031239080.9325-100000@sansana.bgu.ac.il>

Hi there. We use MailMan (I concede the correct spelling to you !!!), and
I'm quite happy with all the options. Very comprehensive package.

I'd like to suggest the addition of an attachment filter that allows only
a list of administrator's explicitly defined file types to pass, i.e.,
thus avoiding the sending of e-mail virii to the list.

Cheers,

Miki Lewinger
Ben-Gurion University of the Negev
Israel




From lists at kinkhorst.com  Sun Feb  3 16:06:17 2002
From: lists at kinkhorst.com (Thijs Kinkhorst)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:06:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [SM-USERS] Bug against Mozilla?
In-Reply-To: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl>
References: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl>
Message-ID: <63444.131.211.125.112.1012748777.squirrel@aphrodite.jaze.net>

> If I hit the 'send' button after composing a mail, I get the hour glass
> and that never goes away. The message does get send in the background,
> but the compose window remains.
> This happens in Mozilla 0.9.7, in the MS flavours I have checked this
> functions as one would expect.

This is a bug in Mozilla 0.9.7 which has been fixed in more recent nightly
builds.


Thijs Kinkhorst





From ivan at inviosoftware.com  Sun Feb  3 20:07:47 2002
From: ivan at inviosoftware.com (Ivan F. Poddubny)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:07:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [SM-USERS] Bug against Mozilla?
In-Reply-To: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.42.0202031106140.28099-100000@bastardo-asp.finestra.net>

On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Erik van der Meulen wrote:

> Hi - I have just installed Mailman 1.2.4 (thanks to the support on this
> list!) and I have come across the following:
>
> If I hit the 'send' button after composing a mail, I get the hour glass
> and that never goes away. The message does get send in the background,
> but the compose window remains.
> This happens in Mozilla 0.9.7, in the MS flavours I have checked this
> functions as one would expect.

This is well-known Mozilla 0.9.7 bug. Check buglist on Mozilla.org for
more information. Workarond -- downgrade to 0.9.6 or use Opera/IE.

	--ivan





From semck83 at prodigy.net  Sun Feb  3 21:23:54 2002
From: semck83 at prodigy.net (Stephen McKeown)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:23:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bug
Message-ID: <MABBJCDEIFLEPBKOPLIIEEIPCCAA.semck83@prodigy.net>

Hi all,

When I try to access my list info page, or any other list page or admin
page, I get the following error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.


This just started. I buy my hosting from a company, and they have great
support, but I haven't heard back yet on this one so I thought it might help
if I could give them some pointers on what to do. Or if you could suggest a
solution I could do myself.

Many thanks,
Stephen




From henry_lu007 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  3 22:16:21 2002
From: henry_lu007 at hotmail.com (Henry Lu)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:16:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and LDAP
Message-ID: <OE21Ne0PaLI9mK6PYzD000189b5@hotmail.com>

Hi,
My company's mailing list data is stored in LDAP. Can I use Mailman to manage the mailing list data in LDAP? If yes, how?
Thanks
Henry

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From hedemark at duke.edu  Mon Feb  4 00:27:33 2002
From: hedemark at duke.edu (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:27:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL back end to Mailman?
Message-ID: <036201c1ad0a$5b9d53c0$0b01a8c0@tuna>

Boy is it hard doing a search for this stuff because of the infrastructural
uses of both components causing their names to be archived in many totally
unrelated places...

A little birdy said that Mailman was going to support a MySQL back end in
2.1.  Is this true?  If so I can't find anything about that on the Mailman
web site.  Where can I learn more about this?  And how close is it to being
ready for general consumption?

Reason I ask is I am currently building a PHP system for managing clubs and
would like to use Mailman as the mailing list manager instead of having to
waste lots of time reinventing the wheel and coming up short.  The
membership database will be kept in MySQL which I would like Mailman to use.

Thanks,
Chris





From bree at wave.co.nz  Mon Feb  4 02:56:10 2002
From: bree at wave.co.nz (brenda and fred)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:56:10 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello Mailmen and Mailwomen
Message-ID: <001b01c1ad1f$1f12c600$18d060cb@home>

I was just checking out Mailman to see if its suitable for our organisation
where can I get a look at the administrative interface (whithout installing it myself)?
does it support headers and footers?
can it filter atachments if wanted?
can anyone be bothered answering a lot of stupid questions about it?
thanks
fred
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Feb  4 03:41:53 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:41:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bug
References: <MABBJCDEIFLEPBKOPLIIEEIPCCAA.semck83@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <3C5DF4F1.3D8F5CC4@pcraft.com>

Stephen McKeown wrote:

> This just started. I buy my hosting from a company, and they have great
> support, but I haven't heard back yet on this one so I thought it might help
> if I could give them some pointers on what to do. Or if you could suggest a
> solution I could do myself.

    There's nothing we can do without being able to look at the logs.  This is something your hosting company needs to resolve.

--
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Feb  4 04:17:45 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:17:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and LDAP
In-Reply-To: <OE21Ne0PaLI9mK6PYzD000189b5@hotmail.com>
References: <OE21Ne0PaLI9mK6PYzD000189b5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <02020322174501.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Install the alpha version 2.1.  It allows you to use an external database 
for the mailling list.

Jon Carnes
===
On Sunday 03 February 2002 16:16, Henry Lu wrote:
> Hi,
> My company's mailing list data is stored in LDAP. Can I use Mailman to
> manage the mailing list data in LDAP? If yes, how? Thanks
> Henry

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Feb  4 04:26:16 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MySQL back end to Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <036201c1ad0a$5b9d53c0$0b01a8c0@tuna>
References: <036201c1ad0a$5b9d53c0$0b01a8c0@tuna>
Message-ID: <02020322261602.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Hay Chris!

AFAIK, Mailman 2.1 is not going to be fixed to use any particular external 
database, but will have the hooks to use any external database.  Someone, 
perhaps you, will have to write the interface from Mailman to the database 
format.  

Someone may have already written such an interface for MySQL.  If they 
haven't yet, I'm sure it will come soon.  You should ask on the Dev list 
though, as this list is only for current production releases.

Good luck, and if you need any help in re-inventing this wheel, let me 
know, I've written a few...

Jon
===
On Sunday 03 February 2002 18:27, Chris Hedemark wrote:
> Boy is it hard doing a search for this stuff because of the
> infrastructural uses of both components causing their names to be
> archived in many totally unrelated places...
>
> A little birdy said that Mailman was going to support a MySQL back end in
> 2.1.  Is this true?  If so I can't find anything about that on the
> Mailman web site.  Where can I learn more about this?  And how close is
> it to being ready for general consumption?
>
> Reason I ask is I am currently building a PHP system for managing clubs
> and would like to use Mailman as the mailing list manager instead of
> having to waste lots of time reinventing the wheel and coming up short. 
> The membership database will be kept in MySQL which I would like Mailman
> to use.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Feb  4 04:31:00 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:31:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello Mailmen and Mailwomen
In-Reply-To: <001b01c1ad1f$1f12c600$18d060cb@home>
References: <001b01c1ad1f$1f12c600$18d060cb@home>
Message-ID: <02020322310003.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 03 February 2002 20:56, brenda and fred wrote:
> does it support headers and footers?

Yes.

> can it filter atachments if wanted?

No.  That is a function of many other programs that work with your MTA 
(sendmail, qmail, exim, postfix,...).  For a recommended list of such 
programs see the Users list FAQ



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Feb  4 06:04:46 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:04:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies
In-Reply-To: <E16Wg1R-0003t2-00@localhost>; from keithp@keithp.com on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:54:41AM -0800
References: <02020109405105.23959@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <E16Wg1R-0003t2-00@localhost>
Message-ID: <20020203210446.B3390@merlins.org>

On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:54:41AM -0800, Keith Packard wrote:
> 
> Around 9 o'clock on Feb 1, Oliver Egginger wrote:
> 
> > if "MM-version > 2.06" and "browser is konqueror" 
> > 	then MM don't will work with passwords.
> 
> For some reason, konqueror sends back cookies with " marks around them.

But this should mean that konqueror somehow works with mailman 2.05, right?
(I have a konqueror user complaining that it's not working either)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Mon Feb  4 06:09:34 2002
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 05:09:34 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail option via browser throws an error
Message-ID: <20020204.5093400@ganeshh.naturesoft.com>

Hi all

So long!!

I get an error when clicking the "Go to list archieve" from the admin 
interface.

"Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
but the
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. "

My error log file says like this..
admin(6872): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(6872):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/
admin(6872):    SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.0.11
admin(6872):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(6872):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(6872):    PATH_TRANSLATED: 
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/public//general/
admin(6872):    REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.0.11
admin(6872):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) 
ApacheJServ/1.1.1 PHP/4.0.
1pl2
admin(6872):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(6872):    REMOTE_PORT: 2218
admin(6872):    SERVER_NAME: ganeshh.naturesoft.com
admin(6872):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(6872):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 
2.2.14-12 i686
)
admin(6872):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(6872):    HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, 
image/pjpeg
, image/png, */*
admin(6872):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/archives/public//general/
admin(6872):    QUERY_STRING:
admin(6872):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/archives
admin(6872):    PATH_INFO: /public//general/
admin(6872):    HTTP_HOST: ganeshh.naturesoft.com
admin(6872):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(6872):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.12 Server at 
ganeshh.natur
esoft.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(6872):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/archives
admin(6872):    SERVER_ADMIN: root at ganeshh.lateralsoftware.com
admin(6872):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(6872):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(6872):    HTTP_COOKIE: 
general:admin=28020000006989155e3c73280000003832616
561383761356636353061396138303163653033623931336434373138633766343063
6166
admin(6872):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(6872):    HTTP_REFERER: 
http://ganeshh.naturesoft.com/mailman/admin/general
^[[B                                                                   
                   


Please Advice
Regards
Ganeshh 

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From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Mon Feb  4 07:20:28 2002
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 06:20:28 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail option via browser throws an error
Message-ID: <20020204.6202800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com>

Hi all

So long!!

I get an error when clicking the "Go to list archieve" from the admin
interface.

"Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. "

My error log file says like this..
admin(6872): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(6872):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/
admin(6872):    SERVER_ADDR: 192.168.0.11
admin(6872):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(6872):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(6872):    PATH_TRANSLATED:
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/public//general/
admin(6872):    REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.0.11
admin(6872):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) 
ApacheJServ/1.1.1
PHP/4.0.
1pl2
admin(6872):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(6872):    REMOTE_PORT: 2218
admin(6872):    SERVER_NAME: ganeshh.naturesoft.com
admin(6872):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(6872):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux
2.2.14-12 i686
)
admin(6872):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(6872):    HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg
, image/png, */*
admin(6872):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/archives/public//general/
admin(6872):    QUERY_STRING:
admin(6872):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/archives
admin(6872):    PATH_INFO: /public//general/
admin(6872):    HTTP_HOST: ganeshh.naturesoft.com
admin(6872):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(6872):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.12 Server at
ganeshh.natur
esoft.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(6872):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/archives
admin(6872):    SERVER_ADMIN: root at ganeshh.lateralsoftware.com
admin(6872):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(6872):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(6872):    HTTP_COOKIE:
general:admin=28020000006989155e3c73280000003832616
561383761356636353061396138303163653033623931336434373138633766343063
6166
admin(6872):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(6872):    HTTP_REFERER:
http://ganeshh.naturesoft.com/mailman/admin/general
^[[B                                                                   
                  


Please Advice
Regards
Ganeshh 

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From sjaniska at inet.hr  Mon Feb  4 10:20:02 2002
From: sjaniska at inet.hr (Sasa Janiska)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:20:02 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crons don't run (Mailman & Htdig)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202041012110.12682-100000@gaura.nitai.hr>

Hi!

Recently I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 on my SuSE box.

I patched Mailman with the patches which enable integration with Htdig
(thank you Richard for your help!) to have searchable archives.

Two list are created (test & test2) for testing on my localhost.

Posting, searching .. everything is fine except that my crons for
rebuilding archives don't work.

I installed crontab.in as: crontab -u mailman cronatab.in and there is
mailman file in my /var/spool/cron/tabs.

There is no mailman user in /var/spool/cron/deny, and I even put mailman
in /var/spool/cron/allow, but still - nothing.

What can be wrong?

Any idea?

Sincerely,
Sasa





From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Mon Feb  4 11:38:31 2002
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:38:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies
In-Reply-To: <20020203210446.B3390@merlins.org>
References: <02020109405105.23959@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <E16Wg1R-0003t2-00@localhost> <20020203210446.B3390@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <02020410383102.01572@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

I havn't tried MM 2.05 but 2.06 was still working.
Since 2.07 it doesn't work.
Other people reporting the same:
http://bugs.kde.org/db/36/36524.html
http://bugs.kde.org/db/35/35153.html


> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:54:41AM -0800, Keith Packard wrote:
> > Around 9 o'clock on Feb 1, Oliver Egginger wrote:
> > > if "MM-version > 2.06" and "browser is konqueror"
> > > 	then MM don't will work with passwords.
> >
> > For some reason, konqueror sends back cookies with " marks around them.
>
> But this should mean that konqueror somehow works with mailman 2.05, right?
> (I have a konqueror user complaining that it's not working either)
>
> Marc




From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be  Mon Feb  4 11:17:49 2002
From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:17:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail on Solaris 8
Message-ID: <gr079p$IXu5tEgFxUfTzk9nUKKGh_UF4kFMl3tfF6a0fuQ9Na2TCMo9Fi@[127.0.0.1]>

Sendmail in Solaris 8 uses "smrsh" to check mail wrappers.
The problem is that it needs the wrapper (or a link to) to be 
in /var/adm/sm.bin.
Mailman 2.0.7 provides a directory "mail" (under EXEC_PREFIX) to tell were to 
find this wrapper.
The problem is that Sendmail doesn't like that and insist to use only what is 
in /var/adm/sm.bin.
I would like not to have to modify the lines printed by "newlist" to 
match /var/adm/sm.bin/wrapper instead of /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
I can only (rather badly, I think) replace the line in mm_cfg.py:
WRAPPER_DIR     = os.path.join(EXEC_PREFIX, 'mail')
with 
WRAPPER_DIR     = '/var/adm/sm.bin'

Maybe am I wrong?
Is there a better way to do this?
Wouldn't it be possible to make it better in Mailman 2.0.8 or 2.1?




From devdas at worldgatein.net  Mon Feb  4 12:53:04 2002
From: devdas at worldgatein.net (Devdas Bhagat)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:23:04 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello Mailmen and Mailwomen
In-Reply-To: <001b01c1ad1f$1f12c600$18d060cb@home>; from bree@wave.co.nz on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 02:56:10PM +1300
References: <001b01c1ad1f$1f12c600$18d060cb@home>
Message-ID: <20020204172304.I23195@rivendell.worldgatein.net>

On 04/02/02 14:56 +1300, brenda and fred wrote:
> I was just checking out Mailman to see if its suitable for our organisation
> where can I get a look at the administrative interface (whithout installing 
> it myself)?
Hmmm, quite a few people do provide mailman lists. See if you know any
sourceforge list admin.

> does it support headers and footers?
Yes.

> can it filter atachments if wanted?
Depends, you may want to tie in external software for this.

> can anyone be bothered answering a lot of stupid questions about it?
This list. So long as you read the INSTALL and FAQ first.

Devdas Bhagat



From e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl  Mon Feb  4 13:16:24 2002
From: e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl (Erik van der Meulen)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:16:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces from Hotmail
Message-ID: <20020204131624.B11085@avondel.nl>

Dear Mailman people - I have managed to setup mailman and am very
pleased (after operating an old Majordomo list server for years).

On thing I do much appreciate is the option to detect bounces and take
action accordingly. Unfortunately it seems that the majority of bounces
that I receive pass through the filter. They are the 'mailbox full'
messages from Hotmail users. I receive many of those and would like
Mailman to set the 'nomail' option for as soon as possible.

Does anyone have a proper solution for that available? I would be much
helped! Thanks all.

--
  Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>



From sjaniska at inet.hr  Mon Feb  4 13:46:28 2002
From: sjaniska at inet.hr (Sasa Janiska)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:46:28 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner error (2.0.8)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202041341130.19686-100000@gaura.nitai.hr>

Hi!

Recently I posted that my crons don't work, but I just discovered some
errors in Mailman log files.

In qrunner log there is following:

Feb 04 12:01:01 2002 (15869) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
 /var/spool/mailman/qfiles/386e8adf9c3b966180d9d5db1109a3f59c722914.db

and in the error log:

Feb 04 12:01:01 2002 qrunner(15869): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 04 12:01:01 2002 qrunner(15869):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line
 282, in ?
Feb 04 12:01:01 2002 qrunner(15869):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 04 12:01:01 2002 qrunner(15869):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line
 202, in main
Feb 04 12:01:01 2002 qrunner(15869):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Feb 04 12:01:01 2002 qrunner(15869): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file
or
 directory:
 '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/386e8adf9c3b966180d9d5db1109a3f59c722914.db'

What does it mean and what is the solution?

Sincerely,
Sasa





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Feb  4 14:27:46 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:27:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crons don't run (Mailman & Htdig)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202041012110.12682-100000@gaura.nitai.hr>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020204131509.02a115e8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:20 04/02/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi!
>
>Recently I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 on my SuSE box.
>
>I patched Mailman with the patches which enable integration with Htdig
>(thank you Richard for your help!) to have searchable archives.
>
>Two list are created (test & test2) for testing on my localhost.
>
>Posting, searching .. everything is fine except that my crons for
>rebuilding archives don't work.

If searching of your lists is working from the list TOC page (the form 
added by the Mailman-htdig integration patch) how were the search indexes 
built if cron did not run nightly_htdig script. Did you run it 
nightly_htdig by hand from the command line or what.

>I installed crontab.in as: crontab -u mailman cronatab.in and there is
>mailman file in my /var/spool/cron/tabs.

what do you get out when you enter the following command (as root)?

     crontab -u mailman -l

does the crontab contain a line that looks like this?

     19 2 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig

are the zipped versions of the list archives being updated by the following 
crontab entry?

     27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip


>There is no mailman user in /var/spool/cron/deny, and I even put mailman
>in /var/spool/cron/allow, but still - nothing.
>
>What can be wrong?
>
>Any idea?
>
>Sincerely,
>Sasa
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl  Mon Feb  4 14:37:32 2002
From: e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl (Erik van der Meulen)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:37:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crons don't run (Mailman & Htdig)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020204131509.02a115e8@pop.ftel.co.uk>; from R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 01:27:46PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202041012110.12682-100000@gaura.nitai.hr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020204131509.02a115e8@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020204143732.A12322@avondel.nl>

I have been installing Mailman on Debian. I have noticed that the
package does not use a user.group 'mailman', but has user 'list'.
You might want to 'grep' your /etc/passwd to check.

Regards.

--
  Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>



From sda at mail.torand.org  Mon Feb  4 15:23:14 2002
From: sda at mail.torand.org (Scott Anderson)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:23:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Alias
References: <20020201113026.A20199@avondel.nl>
Message-ID: <3C5E9952.5060806@mail.torand.org>

I am making the assumption that you are not versed in Apache.

the current apache server software uses only the httpd.conf file. Older 
versions have three files: srm.conf, access.conf and httpd.conf.

I run apache 1.3.14 and it still has the three files broken out, so I am 
assuming that is how yours is.

Either way, the directive is in the httpd.conf file

edit this files and look for a line something like this:

# Aliases: Add here as many aliases as you need (with no limit). The 
format is
# Alias fakename realname

The directive below allows you to alias the directories, in mine I have 
this for pipermail

Alias /pipermail/ /opt/mailman/archives/public/

<Directory "/opt/mailman/archives/public/">
     Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
     AllowOverride None
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all
</Directory>

The directory directive defines how the access to the directory. Look at 
the manual for a more indepth explaination.

Below this you should also find a ScriptAlias directive. This is how you 
alias your script directory

Mine looks like this:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/opt/mailman/cgi-bin/"

<Directory "/opt/mailman/cgi-bin">
     AllowOverride None
     Options ExecCGI
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all
</Directory>


If you have any more questions let me know

Erik van der Meulen wrote:

> Dear List - this is a RTFM I know, but in case of Apache the FM is
> hudge, so I hope somebody can pull this right out of the hat...
> 
> My Mailman (1.1) documentation reads:
> 
>    Configure your Web server to point to the Pipermail public
>    mailing list archives:
>    For example, in Apache:
>      Alias /pipermail/ $prefix/archives/public/
> 
> My question is: in what file does this go, and where exactly?
> I have access.conf and httpd.conf
> 
> Other thing is that I would like to alias the name:
> www.myhost.nl/cgi-bin/mailman to something a little
> easier like www.myhost.nl/mailman. Again, I would
> like to know how to do this in Apache.
> 
> Thanks a lot, best regards.
> 
> --
>   Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> 


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From sjaniska at inet.hr  Mon Feb  4 15:39:48 2002
From: sjaniska at inet.hr (Sasa Janiska)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:39:48 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crons don't run (Mailman & Htdig)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020204131509.02a115e8@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202041523020.23665-100000@gaura.nitai.hr>

On Today, -0000, Richard Barrett wrote:

> If searching of your lists is working from the list TOC page (the form
> added by the Mailman-htdig integration patch) how were the search indexes
> built if cron did not run nightly_htdig script. Did you run it
> nightly_htdig by hand from the command line or what.

Yes, I run it from the command line.

> what do you get out when you enter the following command (as root)?
>
>      crontab -u mailman -l

I get listing of croantab.in file.


> does the crontab contain a line that looks like this?
>
>      19 2 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
>

Yet, I just changed the time to 30 10 ..

> are the zipped versions of the list archives being updated by the following
> crontab entry?
>
>      27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

In Defaults.py I have GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES = 0, but now I see that in
crontab.in it is stated that it should be defined in mm_cfg.py.

Is this a problem?

Now, I just checked and see that the crontab file which was installed
today at 10AM, run at 10:30AM as specified in it.

However, only public archives is re-indexed, while private is not.

But, it's one step closer :-)

What to check next?

Sincerely,
Sasa





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Feb  4 16:58:54 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crons don't run (Mailman & Htdig)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202041523020.23665-100000@gaura.nitai.hr>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020204131509.02a115e8@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020204154126.0345dd00@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:39 04/02/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>On Today, -0000, Richard Barrett wrote:
>
> > If searching of your lists is working from the list TOC page (the form
> > added by the Mailman-htdig integration patch) how were the search indexes
> > built if cron did not run nightly_htdig script. Did you run it
> > nightly_htdig by hand from the command line or what.
>
>Yes, I run it from the command line.
>
> > what do you get out when you enter the following command (as root)?
> >
> >      crontab -u mailman -l
>
>I get listing of croantab.in file.
>
>
> > does the crontab contain a line that looks like this?
> >
> >      19 2 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
> >
>
>Yet, I just changed the time to 30 10 ..
>
> > are the zipped versions of the list archives being updated by the following
> > crontab entry?
> >
> >      27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
>
>In Defaults.py I have GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES = 0, but now I see that in
>crontab.in it is stated that it should be defined in mm_cfg.py.
>
>Is this a problem?
>
>Now, I just checked and see that the crontab file which was installed
>today at 10AM, run at 10:30AM as specified in it.
>
>However, only public archives is re-indexed, while private is not.
>
>But, it's one step closer :-)

In fact think that we are all the way there. There is no real distinction 
between private and public archives when it comes to the way the script 
nightly_htdig works to build the htdig indexes, although the distinction is 
made when it comes to subsequently accessing those search indexes via the 
list's search form.

The mailman-htdig integration builds and maintains separate htdig index 
files for each list. These are in the directory 
$prefix/archives/private/<listname>/htdig for each list.

When nightly_htdig runs it checks, for each list in turn, the time of the 
most recent post to the list. If that post was after the time it last ran 
rundig to construct the list's search index, it reruns rundig. Otherwise it 
doesn't and the modification date/time on the index files will not change. 
This is to avoid rebuilding indexes when there has not been changes in the 
indexed material since the last indexing operation.

If you want to check what I have said then run nightly_htdig by hand with 
the -v flag. This will cause the script to output a line for each file 
saying it is skipping the list because there are no recent posts or it is 
htdig'ing the list archive if there are recent posts. If you run the script 
twice in quick succession, it usually doesn't do any htdig'ing the second 
time around.

If  you still think there is something wrong with all this then let me know

>What to check next?
>
>Sincerely,
>Sasa
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From sda at mail.torand.org  Mon Feb  4 17:50:15 2002
From: sda at mail.torand.org (Scott Anderson)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:50:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail on Solaris 8
References: <gr079p$IXu5tEgFxUfTzk9nUKKGh_UF4kFMl3tfF6a0fuQ9Na2TCMo9Fi@[127.0.0.1]>
Message-ID: <3C5EBBC7.2040307@mail.torand.org>

Why can't you create a link to /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
  in /var/adm/sm.bin?

Jerome Warnier wrote:

> Sendmail in Solaris 8 uses "smrsh" to check mail wrappers.
> The problem is that it needs the wrapper (or a link to) to be 
> in /var/adm/sm.bin.
> Mailman 2.0.7 provides a directory "mail" (under EXEC_PREFIX) to tell were to 
> find this wrapper.
> The problem is that Sendmail doesn't like that and insist to use only what is 
> in /var/adm/sm.bin.
> I would like not to have to modify the lines printed by "newlist" to 
> match /var/adm/sm.bin/wrapper instead of /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
> I can only (rather badly, I think) replace the line in mm_cfg.py:
> WRAPPER_DIR     = os.path.join(EXEC_PREFIX, 'mail')
> with 
> WRAPPER_DIR     = '/var/adm/sm.bin'
> 
> Maybe am I wrong?
> Is there a better way to do this?
> Wouldn't it be possible to make it better in Mailman 2.0.8 or 2.1?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> 


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From David.Proffitt at itn.co.uk  Mon Feb  4 18:40:01 2002
From: David.Proffitt at itn.co.uk (Proffitt, David)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:40:01 -0000 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a 'read-only' list
Message-ID: <C581C881C57FD3119FFD00204840156407B58308@POST1>

Hello

I need to set up an 'announcement' type list

I need to guarantee (if this is possible) that *only* the list admin can
post

Is there a standard way of doing this?

I've flagged the list as moderated and restricted access to the admin pages
to the local network (in the apache config)

Is there a way to inject the messages directly into Mailman on the server? -
In which case I considered removing the main list alias so any posts to it
would bounce

Any thoughts appreciated


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From sjaniska at inet.hr  Mon Feb  4 19:25:30 2002
From: sjaniska at inet.hr (Sasa Janiska)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:25:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crons don't run (Mailman & Htdig)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020204154126.0345dd00@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202041922270.2662-100000@gaura.nitai.hr>

On Today, -0000, Richard Barrett wrote:

Hi Richard!
> In fact think that we are all the way there. There is no real distinction
> between private and public archives when it comes to the way the script
> nightly_htdig works to build the htdig indexes, although the distinction is
> made when it comes to subsequently accessing those search indexes via the
> list's search form.

Yes, you're right.

> If you want to check what I have said then run nightly_htdig by hand with
> the -v flag. This will cause the script to output a line for each file
> saying it is skipping the list because there are no recent posts or it is
> htdig'ing the list archive if there are recent posts. If you run the script
> twice in quick succession, it usually doesn't do any htdig'ing the second
> time around.

After sending one message to pirvate list and running by hand, the
script run, but before it reproted that it skipped lists because there
wer no new posts.

Just another question: I put GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES = 0 in mm_cfg.py.

Is something else neede to get gzipp-ed archives?

Thank you very much for your help.
Sincerely,
Sasa




From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca  Mon Feb  4 22:10:01 2002
From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:10:01 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and sendmail under RH 7.2
Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF624AC54@HERITAGE-SRV-1>

Hi,
This is more a sendmail than an mailman question, but here goes:

I have a brand spanking new RH 7.2 server on which I set mailman up. All
went well, except that when I try to register to the test mailing list, my
server refuses connection. Ther confirmtion request is received by the
external server (from which I try to subscribe). The mailq of the external
server  shows that the confirmation request reply is held due to connection
refusal from the new mailman server.

I am a bit new to RH 7.2 I usually install 6.2. Is there some sort of a new
twist to make sendmail work under RH 7.2 ?

Thanks

MGL
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Feb  4 22:16:57 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:16:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and sendmail under RH 7.2
References: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF624AC54@HERITAGE-SRV-1>
Message-ID: <3C5EFA48.F1E23F71@pcraft.com>

Lafleur Maurice wrote:

> I am a bit new to RH 7.2 I usually install 6.2. Is there some sort of
> a new twist to make sendmail work under RH 7.2 ?

    Yes, read the release notes.  RH7.x has sendmail default to only
listen on 127.0.0.1 (localhost), and refuse any other connection.  You
need to reconfigure your sendmail.cf to allow for external connections.

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From nick at outerscape.net  Mon Feb  4 22:13:29 2002
From: nick at outerscape.net (Nick Riemondi)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:13:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email database
Message-ID: <3C5EF979.2030500@outerscape.net>

Anyone know where the list databases are kept?  I can't seem to find 
them.  Basically I've got a postgres database full of addresses I'd like 
to populate some lists with, without having to send emails for each 
entry.  If I could just write the mailman entries myself, I'd be a happy 
man.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Nick




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Feb  4 22:25:09 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:25:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email database
References: <3C5EF979.2030500@outerscape.net>
Message-ID: <3C5EFC34.7B415C6D@pcraft.com>

Nick Riemondi wrote:

> Anyone know where the list databases are kept?

    In the config.db file.  You can use the tools in the bin directory for
list member management:

    ./bin/add_members
    ./bin/remove_members
    ./bin/sync_members

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From nb at cisto.com  Mon Feb  4 14:14:59 2002
From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:14:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello Mailmen and Mailwomen
In-Reply-To: <20020204172304.I23195@rivendell.worldgatein.net> (message from
	Devdas Bhagat on Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:23:04 +0530)
References: <001b01c1ad1f$1f12c600$18d060cb@home> <20020204172304.I23195@rivendell.worldgatein.net>
Message-ID: <200202041314.g14DExv06670@quill.local>

> On 04/02/02 14:56 +1300, brenda and fred wrote:
> > I was just checking out Mailman to see if its suitable for
> > our organisation where can I get a look at the
> > administrative interface (whithout installing it myself)?

I have a demo at

http://yourdomain.cis.to/mailman/admin/demo

(this is the standard admin interface with some minimal
modifications to make it accessible without password and to
prevent website visitors from messing things up.)

Greetings, Norbert.

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From mailman at robertjshepherd.com  Mon Feb  4 22:36:34 2002
From: mailman at robertjshepherd.com (Robert J Shepherd)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:36:34 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin stuff
Message-ID: <LJBBJFALANLHFJPIMOICAEMKHIAA.mailman@robertjshepherd.com>

In Utils.py lurks the list of admin*strivia phrases that cause mail to be held for m*deration.

Can anyone tell me what the numbers bracketed after each administrivia phrase mean?

They take the form of

"word": (0,0),

TIA

Robert




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb  4 23:57:00 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces from Hotmail
References: <20020204131624.B11085@avondel.nl>
Message-ID: <01c701c1adcf$4191bc30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

A typical way of handling this is either with a pre-processor for the mail
(like procmail) or to add appropriate text to the "Hold posts with
header..." (in the web-admin under the Privacy Options).

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik van der Meulen" <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>
To: "Mailman User List" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:16 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces from Hotmail


> Dear Mailman people - I have managed to setup mailman and am very
> pleased (after operating an old Majordomo list server for years).
>
> On thing I do much appreciate is the option to detect bounces and take
> action accordingly. Unfortunately it seems that the majority of bounces
> that I receive pass through the filter. They are the 'mailbox full'
> messages from Hotmail users. I receive many of those and would like
> Mailman to set the 'nomail' option for as soon as possible.
>
> Does anyone have a proper solution for that available? I would be much
> helped! Thanks all.
>
> --
>   Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Feb  5 01:56:47 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:56:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email database 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Riemondi <nick@outerscape.net> 
   of "Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:13:29 CST." <3C5EF979.2030500@outerscape.net> 
References: <3C5EF979.2030500@outerscape.net> 
Message-ID: <26879.1012870607@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:13:29 -0600 
Nick Riemondi <nick at outerscape.net> wrote:

> Anyone know where the list databases are kept?  I can't seem to
> find them.  Basically I've got a postgres database full of
> addresses I'd like to populate some lists with, without having to
> send emails for each entry.  If I could just write the mailman
> entries myself, I'd be a happy man.  Can anyone point me in the
> right direction?

~/bin/add_members
~/lists/<listname>config.db

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From john at nisus.com  Tue Feb  5 06:57:22 2002
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:57:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
Message-ID: <l03130301b88522946eb1@[207.215.130.171]>

> Sun, 2002-02-03 09:37:51 +0100 Matthias Jaenichen wrote:
> even if you use TEXT, but have nonstandard chars in the text/subject like
> "???" the archives become unreadable.

> I think the problem here is that the format it is stored in the archives is
> the only "transportable" one. If we strip html, the message might loose
> significant information, if we transform into something Windows-readable it
> might not readable by MACs or UNIX.

Store the Unicode where a vast number of characters are "standard".
Windoze & Macintosh can both handle it that I know.  <http://www.unicode.org>
Besides, if people want to use XML, it's needed.

As to your question about encodings in a Subject:, there is provision
for specifying encoding.  Not all versions of all e-mail clients
support them.  <plug> Nisus Email does. </plug>

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice
<http://gosc.nisus.com/~giovanni>





From e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl  Tue Feb  5 07:55:13 2002
From: e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl (Erik van der Meulen)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:55:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces from Hotmail
In-Reply-To: <01c701c1adcf$4191bc30$0b04010a@JCARNES>; from jonc@haht.com on Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 05:57:00PM -0500
References: <20020204131624.B11085@avondel.nl> <01c701c1adcf$4191bc30$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020205075513.A25319@avondel.nl>

On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 17:57:00 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

> A typical way of handling this is either with a pre-processor for the mail
> (like procmail) or to add appropriate text to the "Hold posts with
> header..." (in the web-admin under the Privacy Options).

Thanks for that. I do use procmail and would be able to filter and
ignore those message like that. It seems that the option 'Hold posts
with header' does just do that too.
I would have liked to use the bounce detect feature from Mailman (which
adds to /var/log/mailman/bounces and shuts down user accounts
automatically after a number of pre-specified bounces. I was hoping that
I could adapt its detection mechanism in some way to catch those Hotmal
'mailbox full' messages, rather than just filtering 'm. I use Mailman
1.1, maybe those features are better in new releases?

Best regards.

--
  Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>



From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca  Tue Feb  5 14:09:47 2002
From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:09:47 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly *AND* daily digest from the same list
Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DBC@HERITAGE-SRV-1>

Is there a way to have MM generate both daily *and* weekly digest of the
same mailing list?

Thanks,

MGL
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From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue Feb  5 14:24:10 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 05 Feb 2002 13:24:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly *AND* daily digest from the same list
In-Reply-To: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DBC@HERITAGE-SRV-1>
References: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DBC@HERITAGE-SRV-1>
Message-ID: <1012915450.13085.12.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 13:09, Lafleur Maurice wrote:
> Is there a way to have MM generate both daily *and* weekly digest of the
> same mailing list?

No.  Asking again won't help either [See *note] 

Nearest compromise is starting a second list which is digest only and is
subscribed to the first list (or the original alias into the list
duplicates the message to both lists).

Frankly I fail to see while this is useful.  If you have a low traffic
list where some days don't have any messages then your daily digests
just won't happen on some days.  If you have a higher traffic list then
your weekly digests will be flushed several times a week by the size
constraint - taking the size constraint off will result in digests that
are too big to be read comfortably.

	Nigel.

[*Note]
It seems to be getting more common that people posting queries to the
list believe they are owed timely answers and keep repeating the
question until someone answers.  Its worked in this case - which means I
am sending the wrong signal out here.  So starting from now, when I see
a repeated question like this I will either ignore it or privately flame
the originator depending on how bad a day its been.  Pretty much the
same applies to those who mail me privately apparently believing I owe
them answers to their problems, and my employers pay me to answer their
questions.




From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  5 15:49:48 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 06:49:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup Problem--unable to access mailman tru web!
Message-ID: <20020205144948.79516.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
I am done with the Mailman-2.0.8 installation, the
problem is with the accessing the mailman tru the web
when i try reaching http://domainname.com/mailman 
it says "404 not found". i have added the 
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" in

my apache httpd.conf and restared the apache.. 
what's next what am i missing....?? I have done
everthing until the "Final Setup" in the INSTALL
Document.
Pls help
TIA.

Regs
DK

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From cae at bklyn.org  Tue Feb  5 16:06:50 2002
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:06:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup Problem--unable to access mailman tru web!
In-Reply-To: <20020205144948.79516.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020205144948.79516.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020205150650.GB23946@tela.bklyn.org>

On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 06:49:48AM -0800, sunny wrote:

> Hi All, I am done with the Mailman-2.0.8 installation, the problem
> is with the accessing the mailman tru the web when i try reaching
> http://domainname.com/mailman it says "404 not found". i have added
> the ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" in

	Thats because there is no index.html or any other page/script
	in the cgi-bin dir that Apache can use as the index.  You want
	to use the URL http://domainname.com/mailman/listinfo

-- 
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Feb  5 16:08:47 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:08:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup Problem--unable to access mailman
  tru web!
In-Reply-To: <20020205144948.79516.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020205150609.03437e78@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 06:49 05/02/2002 -0800, sunny wrote:
>Hi All,
>I am done with the Mailman-2.0.8 installation, the
>problem is with the accessing the mailman tru the web
>when i try reaching http://domainname.com/mailman
>it says "404 not found". i have added the
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" in

the URL you are trying to use is incomplete as it doesn't include the name 
of the Mailman CGI script you want to run.

Try using these URLs:

http://domainname.com/mailman/listinfo

http://domainname.com/mailman/admin


>my apache httpd.conf and restared the apache..
>what's next what am i missing....?? I have done
>everthing until the "Final Setup" in the INSTALL
>Document.
>Pls help
>TIA.
>
>Regs
>DK




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb  5 16:13:10 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly *AND* daily digest from the same list
References: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DBC@HERITAGE-SRV-1> <1012915450.13085.12.camel@gaspode.localnet>
Message-ID: <006201c1ae57$9ffdc240$0b04010a@JCARNES>

First of all Nigel has a great solution:  include a second list as a member
of the first list and let the second list's archives be weekly.

Second, not every Mailman guru reads the list on a daily basis - and they
certainly don't cruise the archives looking for problems that haven't been
solved - soooo... I think it is perfectly legitimate to wait a few days or a
week and resubmit a question.

Just my 2?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Metheringham" <Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk>
To: "Lafleur Maurice" <MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] weekly *AND* daily digest from the same list


> On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 13:09, Lafleur Maurice wrote:
> > Is there a way to have MM generate both daily *and* weekly digest of the
> > same mailing list?
>
> No.  Asking again won't help either [See *note]
>
> Nearest compromise is starting a second list which is digest only and is
> subscribed to the first list (or the original alias into the list
> duplicates the message to both lists).
>
> Frankly I fail to see while this is useful.  If you have a low traffic
> list where some days don't have any messages then your daily digests
> just won't happen on some days.  If you have a higher traffic list then
> your weekly digests will be flushed several times a week by the size
> constraint - taking the size constraint off will result in digests that
> are too big to be read comfortably.
>
> Nigel.
>
> [*Note]
> It seems to be getting more common that people posting queries to the
> list believe they are owed timely answers and keep repeating the
> question until someone answers.  Its worked in this case - which means I
> am sending the wrong signal out here.  So starting from now, when I see
> a repeated question like this I will either ignore it or privately flame
> the originator depending on how bad a day its been.  Pretty much the
> same applies to those who mail me privately apparently believing I owe
> them answers to their problems, and my employers pay me to answer their
> questions.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mas at codix.net  Tue Feb  5 16:14:22 2002
From: mas at codix.net (Michael Styer)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:14:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases and new lists?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202051511500.3019-100000@alzirr.codix.net>

Hi there,

Just a quick question regarding the interaction of mailman and
/etc/aliases.

I'm building a system to automate the creation of new mailman lists based
on information in a database, and I'm doing this by calling the newlist
script. I was under the impression that creating a new list this way did
everything necessary to create the list, but I've just had someone suggest
to me that my script will need to edit /etc/aliases as well in order for
the list to function properly.

Is this true?

If so, can anyone explain what I would need to add to /etc/aliases for
each list in order to make them function correctly?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Regards,

mike

-- 
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phone: 020 7603 5723	107 Shepherd's Bush Rd
fax: 020 7603 2504	London W6 7LP




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb  5 16:27:11 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:27:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces from Hotmail
References: <20020204131624.B11085@avondel.nl> <01c701c1adcf$4191bc30$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020205075513.A25319@avondel.nl>
Message-ID: <006a01c1ae59$950268d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Well, you can always write that functionality into your setup.  Filter the
messages out with procmail and have it make a log entry with the offending
mailbox.  Run a nightly or weekly script that rotates your logs and looks
for excessive bouncing.  If someone's email bounces too much:
  #! /bin/bash
  # Find em and delete em from all my mailman lists
  #   $1 is the offending email address to be removed
  LIST="`~mailman/bin/find_member $1`"
  for i in $LIST
  do
    ~mailman/bin/remove_members $i $1
  done

===
I know that you would rather have Mailman do it for you (and one day it
probably will) but thanks to Mailman being Opensource you can extend and
adapt its functionality now.

Good Luck!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik van der Meulen" <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; "Mailman User List"
<mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces from Hotmail


> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 17:57:00 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>
> > A typical way of handling this is either with a pre-processor for the
mail
> > (like procmail) or to add appropriate text to the "Hold posts with
> > header..." (in the web-admin under the Privacy Options).
>
> Thanks for that. I do use procmail and would be able to filter and
> ignore those message like that. It seems that the option 'Hold posts
> with header' does just do that too.
> I would have liked to use the bounce detect feature from Mailman (which
> adds to /var/log/mailman/bounces and shuts down user accounts
> automatically after a number of pre-specified bounces. I was hoping that
> I could adapt its detection mechanism in some way to catch those Hotmal
> 'mailbox full' messages, rather than just filtering 'm. I use Mailman
> 1.1, maybe those features are better in new releases?
>
> Best regards.
>
> --
>   Erik van der Meulen <e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl>





From KUJALA at jylk.jyu.fi  Tue Feb  5 16:44:02 2002
From: KUJALA at jylk.jyu.fi (Osmo Kujala)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:44:02 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly *AND* daily digest from the same list
Message-ID: <01KDX9938PV695MLVB@jylk.jyu.fi>


How about: Subscribe list with two email addresses. Maybe
Firstname.Surname at domain and username at domain.

Osmo



From cae at bklyn.org  Tue Feb  5 16:45:42 2002
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:45:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases and new lists?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202051511500.3019-100000@alzirr.codix.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202051511500.3019-100000@alzirr.codix.net>
Message-ID: <20020205154542.GB1637@tela.bklyn.org>

On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 03:14:22PM +0000, Michael Styer wrote:

> list, but I've just had someone suggest to me that my script will
> need to edit /etc/aliases as well in order for the list to function
> properly.  Is this true?  If so, can anyone explain what I would
> need to add to /etc/aliases for each list in order to make them
> function correctly?

	By default, newlist doensn't modify /etc/aliases.  If you run
	newlist -o /etc/aliases, it will add the aliases for you (it
	appends to the file).  You may then need to run your
	appropriate MTA's "newaliases" command if it has one.

	A plug for exim (my MTA of choice): you can configure exim such
	that no entries in /etc/aliases are required at all.  See this
	URL for details and configuration file snippets:

	http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

	Three cheers for Mailman, and three more for exim!

-- 
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    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust |  computer on their desk, else how could they
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  |  read their mail?



From jonathan.bird at usask.ca  Tue Feb  5 16:55:03 2002
From: jonathan.bird at usask.ca (Jonathan Bird)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:55:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permissions error with config.db
Message-ID: <B77C1F92-1A50-11D6-8384-00039315BE7A@usask.ca>

Here is error message:

Cron <mailman at ussu1> /sw/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
     process_lists(lock)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
     self.Load()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
     fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/usr/local/mailman/lists/ussu_test2/config.db'


Now is this permissions regarding the Python process? I *temporarily* 
changed the permissions of the config.db to 0777. The email waiting to 
be sent in the list was sent and seems to work but then the permissions 
of the config.db are rewritten to the proper permissions automagically.

Did I miss something here with the install?

Regards,
Jonathan

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From KUJALA at jylk.jyu.fi  Tue Feb  5 16:51:16 2002
From: KUJALA at jylk.jyu.fi (Osmo Kujala)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:51:16 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly *AND* daily digest from the same list
In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:44:02 +0200 (EET)"
 <01KDX9938PV695MLVB@jylk.jyu.fi>
Message-ID: <01KDX9HZUI5M95MLVB@jylk.jyu.fi>

I wrote (late in the evening)

> How about: Subscribe list with two email addresses. Maybe
> Firstname.Surname at domain and username at domain.

Sorry, subject was weekly and daily digest. This won't do it of course.
(would for normal and digest mode). At least version 2.0.8 doesn't have
digest frequency as user option.             Delete...Delete...

Osmo



From mj at percomp.de  Tue Feb  5 20:03:24 2002
From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:03:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <l03130301b88522946eb1@[207.215.130.171]>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020205200039.0289c530@<percomp>>

At 21:57 04.02.02 -0800, jgo wrote:
> > Sun, 2002-02-03 09:37:51 +0100 Matthias Jaenichen wrote:
> > even if you use TEXT, but have nonstandard chars in the text/subject like
> > "???" the archives become unreadable.
>
> > I think the problem here is that the format it is stored in the archives is
> > the only "transportable" one. If we strip html, the message might loose
> > significant information, if we transform into something Windows-readable it
> > might not readable by MACs or UNIX.
>
>Store the Unicode where a vast number of characters are "standard".
>Windoze & Macintosh can both handle it that I know.  <http://www.unicode.org>
>Besides, if people want to use XML, it's needed.
>
>As to your question about encodings in a Subject:, there is provision
>for specifying encoding.  Not all versions of all e-mail clients
>support them.  <plug> Nisus Email does. </plug>

I am not sure what you want to tell me...

It is MailMan that does not handle the Subcejt correctly. If the is a 
"umlaut" (UniCode-Char) in the string it would add the String [TEST] 
repeatedly. This is a bug in the routin that checks if the "[<listname>]" 
already exists.

Reg.

Matthias J?nichen




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Feb  5 20:27:18 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:27:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly *AND* daily digest from the same list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lafleur Maurice <MLAFLEUR@cegep-heritage.qc.ca> 
   of "Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:09:47 EST." <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DBC@HERITAGE-SRV-1> 
References: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DBC@HERITAGE-SRV-1> 
Message-ID: <6963.1012937238@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:09:47 -0500 
Lafleur Maurice <MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca> wrote:

> Is there a way to have MM generate both daily *and* weekly digest
> of the same mailing list?

The trivial way is to subscribe a second list to the first, and have
the second list do weekly digests.

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From daryl at weblane.com  Tue Feb  5 19:57:37 2002
From: daryl at weblane.com (Daryl Williams)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:57:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives
Message-ID: <3C602B21.1020802@weblane.com>

folks,

maybe my eyes are getting old. i've tried rtfm without success.
i'm trying to find out if there is a way to view html formated
messages in the mailman archives. i have seen the line in
the mailman features page that states "there are hooks in mailman
for external archivers such as mhonarc", however i could not
find any documentation on how to access these hooks. any
help or suggestions appreciated. i am running mailman 2.0.3
on solaris 2.6. thanks in advance.

daryl




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb  5 21:45:28 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:45:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives
References: <3C602B21.1020802@weblane.com>
Message-ID: <013a01c1ae86$0c6e4b10$0b04010a@JCARNES>

MHonArc is easy to use an external Archiver (though it may not be easy to
setup...).  Once the Archive program is setup, you add the archiver as a
user on the list - from then on it collects posts and archives them.

Mailman comes complete with pipermail.  Pipermail is a nice/tiny archiver
that works great on text messages, but is utterly hopeless in the world of
Mime and html.  I believe v2.1 of Mailman will still come with Pipermail,
but folks still recommend that you install a stand-alone archive program
such as MHonArc if you do any serious archiving.

To find MHonArc, following the bouncing URL:
  http://www.nacs.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl Williams" <daryl at weblane.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives


> folks,
>
> maybe my eyes are getting old. i've tried rtfm without success.
> i'm trying to find out if there is a way to view html formated
> messages in the mailman archives. i have seen the line in
> the mailman features page that states "there are hooks in mailman
> for external archivers such as mhonarc", however i could not
> find any documentation on how to access these hooks. any
> help or suggestions appreciated. i am running mailman 2.0.3
> on solaris 2.6. thanks in advance.
>
> daryl
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From daryl at weblane.com  Tue Feb  5 21:19:02 2002
From: daryl at weblane.com (Daryl Williams)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 12:19:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives
References: <3C602B21.1020802@weblane.com> <013a01c1ae86$0c6e4b10$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <3C603E36.9040301@weblane.com>

>Once the Archive program is setup, you add the archiver as a
>user on the list - from then on it collects posts and archives them.

i like that :) seems very appropriate somehow. thanks for your reply jon.

daryl

Jon Carnes wrote:

>MHonArc is easy to use an external Archiver (though it may not be easy to
>setup...).  Once the Archive program is setup, you add the archiver as a
>user on the list - from then on it collects posts and archives them.
>
>Mailman comes complete with pipermail.  Pipermail is a nice/tiny archiver
>that works great on text messages, but is utterly hopeless in the world of
>Mime and html.  I believe v2.1 of Mailman will still come with Pipermail,
>but folks still recommend that you install a stand-alone archive program
>such as MHonArc if you do any serious archiving.
>
>To find MHonArc, following the bouncing URL:
>  http://www.nacs.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html
>
>Jon Carnes
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daryl Williams" <daryl at weblane.com>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:57 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] html formated archives
>
>
>>folks,
>>
>>maybe my eyes are getting old. i've tried rtfm without success.
>>i'm trying to find out if there is a way to view html formated
>>messages in the mailman archives. i have seen the line in
>>the mailman features page that states "there are hooks in mailman
>>for external archivers such as mhonarc", however i could not
>>find any documentation on how to access these hooks. any
>>help or suggestions appreciated. i am running mailman 2.0.3
>>on solaris 2.6. thanks in advance.
>>
>>daryl
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>






From gfieldus at csu.edu.au  Wed Feb  6 02:07:50 2002
From: gfieldus at csu.edu.au (Fieldus, Glenn)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:07:50 +1100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way (as site admin) to customise global footers?
Message-ID: <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA014CD2F5@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au>

Hi Everyone,

Is there a way to remove the 'web_page_url' from global list footers by
default?

Also, is there a way to customize global footers to include a bit of blurb
specific to our site?

Regards,                  Division of Information Technology 
Glenn Fieldus             Charles Sturt University
Systems Admin             NSW Australia
____________________________________________________________
..the trouble with life is, there's no background music.




From hosting at analoghosting.com  Wed Feb  6 03:02:11 2002
From: hosting at analoghosting.com (Ryan LeBlanc)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:02:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <01c601c1aeb2$4a7ca920$6401a8c0@mustang>

I just started using mailman, and am hoping somebody can help me with a
problem I am having.

I have virtual domains setup on my server, and I can get mailman working
with them, except for one thing.

I manually update the config.db using bin/config_list, and setup all the
paths for the virtual domain.  The problem comes in when I try to use a
different posting address.  for example, say I set up a list name:
test_domain1.com

Well, the posting address is test_domain1.com at domain1.com, and it works just
fine.  However, I would like to use test at domain1.com.  When I do that, I get
a bounce from Mailman saying the message was addressed implicitly.

So, either, there is an option in config.db I can't change with
bin/config_list, or the setting that checks the address is stored elsewhere.

I looked into bin/withlist, but I unfortunately do not know Python, so I
don't even know where to start with it.  I was able to do a little with it,
but I don't know all the objects I can use.  I was able to get
GetEmailRequest to display, only because it was mentioned in the examples.

Thanks for any help

Ryan LeBlanc
hosting at analoghosting.com





From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Feb  6 03:26:14 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:26:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [SM-USERS] Bug against Mozilla?
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.42.0202031106140.28099-100000@bastardo-asp.finestra.net>
References: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.42.0202031106140.28099-100000@bastardo-asp.finestra.net>
Message-ID: <p05101412b88644777197@[207.149.192.229]>

At 11:07 -0800 2/3/2002, Ivan F. Poddubny wrote:
>This is well-known Mozilla 0.9.7 bug. Check buglist on Mozilla.org for
>more information. Workarond -- downgrade to 0.9.6 or use Opera/IE.

Does the recent Mozilla 0.9.8 fix it?

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  6 03:44:40 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:44:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicitly addressed error - virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <01c601c1aeb2$4a7ca920$6401a8c0@mustang>
References: <01c601c1aeb2$4a7ca920$6401a8c0@mustang>
Message-ID: <02020521444002.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

First of all dude, make an attempt at a Subject.... It helps us help you, 
and it helps others later on when they seach the archives.  That said, here 
is an easy answer to the problem.

In the web-admin under Privacy options: "Alias names (regexps) which 
qualify as explicit... " put in the email address you want your list to 
accept.

Jon Carnes

On Tuesday 05 February 2002 21:02, Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
> I just started using mailman, and am hoping somebody can help me with a
> problem I am having.
>
> I have virtual domains setup on my server, and I can get mailman working
> with them, except for one thing.
>
> I manually update the config.db using bin/config_list, and setup all the
> paths for the virtual domain.  The problem comes in when I try to use a
> different posting address.  for example, say I set up a list name:
> test_domain1.com
>
> Well, the posting address is test_domain1.com at domain1.com, and it works
> just fine.  However, I would like to use test at domain1.com.  When I do
> that, I get a bounce from Mailman saying the message was addressed
> implicitly.
>
> So, either, there is an option in config.db I can't change with
> bin/config_list, or the setting that checks the address is stored
> elsewhere.
>
> I looked into bin/withlist, but I unfortunately do not know Python, so I
> don't even know where to start with it.  I was able to do a little with
> it, but I don't know all the objects I can use.  I was able to get
> GetEmailRequest to display, only because it was mentioned in the
> examples.
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Ryan LeBlanc
> hosting at analoghosting.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From hosting at analoghosting.com  Wed Feb  6 05:00:16 2002
From: hosting at analoghosting.com (Ryan LeBlanc)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:00:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicitly addressed error - virtual domains
References: <01c601c1aeb2$4a7ca920$6401a8c0@mustang> <02020521444002.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000701c1aec2$cd3f4a10$6401a8c0@mustang>

Thanks!  And sorry about leaving out the subject.

I have one more question.  Can I change the address the list uses when it
sends out reminders and welcome messages?

Thanks,

Ryan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Ryan LeBlanc" <hosting at analoghosting.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] implicitly addressed error - virtual domains


> First of all dude, make an attempt at a Subject.... It helps us help you,
> and it helps others later on when they seach the archives.  That said,
here
> is an easy answer to the problem.
>
> In the web-admin under Privacy options: "Alias names (regexps) which
> qualify as explicit... " put in the email address you want your list to
> accept.
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> On Tuesday 05 February 2002 21:02, Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
> > I just started using mailman, and am hoping somebody can help me with a
> > problem I am having.
> >
> > I have virtual domains setup on my server, and I can get mailman working
> > with them, except for one thing.
> >
> > I manually update the config.db using bin/config_list, and setup all the
> > paths for the virtual domain.  The problem comes in when I try to use a
> > different posting address.  for example, say I set up a list name:
> > test_domain1.com
> >
> > Well, the posting address is test_domain1.com at domain1.com, and it works
> > just fine.  However, I would like to use test at domain1.com.  When I do
> > that, I get a bounce from Mailman saying the message was addressed
> > implicitly.
> >
> > So, either, there is an option in config.db I can't change with
> > bin/config_list, or the setting that checks the address is stored
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > I looked into bin/withlist, but I unfortunately do not know Python, so I
> > don't even know where to start with it.  I was able to do a little with
> > it, but I don't know all the objects I can use.  I was able to get
> > GetEmailRequest to display, only because it was mentioned in the
> > examples.
> >
> > Thanks for any help
> >
> > Ryan LeBlanc
> > hosting at analoghosting.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
>





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Feb  6 05:58:38 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:58:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicitly addressed error - virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <000701c1aec2$cd3f4a10$6401a8c0@mustang>
References: <01c601c1aeb2$4a7ca920$6401a8c0@mustang> <02020521444002.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <000701c1aec2$cd3f4a10$6401a8c0@mustang>
Message-ID: <02020523583805.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Web-admin, General Options page, near the bottom: "Host name this list 
prefers."

That lets you change the host part of the automated email messages.  If 
that is not enough, then turn off the welcome messages and the reminders 
(options in the web-admin).  Then you can write scripts that handle both 
the welcome messages and the reminders.  

Look in ~mailman/bin/.. for commands that will let you dump out to a file 
the email addresses of a list.  You can also grep through the 
~mailman/logs/.. for new subscriptions and use that to send out your own 
welcome messages for specific lists (if you are so inclined)

Jon Carnes
===
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 23:00, Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
> Thanks!  And sorry about leaving out the subject.
>
> I have one more question.  Can I change the address the list uses when it
> sends out reminders and welcome messages?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: "Ryan LeBlanc" <hosting at analoghosting.com>;
> <mailman-users at python.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] implicitly addressed error - virtual domains
>
> > First of all dude, make an attempt at a Subject.... It helps us help
> > you, and it helps others later on when they seach the archives.  That
> > said,
>
> here
>
> > is an easy answer to the problem.
> >
> > In the web-admin under Privacy options: "Alias names (regexps) which
> > qualify as explicit... " put in the email address you want your list to
> > accept.
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> >
> > On Tuesday 05 February 2002 21:02, Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
> > > I just started using mailman, and am hoping somebody can help me with
> > > a problem I am having.
> > >
> > > I have virtual domains setup on my server, and I can get mailman
> > > working with them, except for one thing.
> > >
> > > I manually update the config.db using bin/config_list, and setup all
> > > the paths for the virtual domain.  The problem comes in when I try to
> > > use a different posting address.  for example, say I set up a list
> > > name: test_domain1.com
> > >
> > > Well, the posting address is test_domain1.com at domain1.com, and it
> > > works just fine.  However, I would like to use test at domain1.com. 
> > > When I do that, I get a bounce from Mailman saying the message was
> > > addressed implicitly.
> > >
> > > So, either, there is an option in config.db I can't change with
> > > bin/config_list, or the setting that checks the address is stored
> > > elsewhere.
> > >
> > > I looked into bin/withlist, but I unfortunately do not know Python,
> > > so I don't even know where to start with it.  I was able to do a
> > > little with it, but I don't know all the objects I can use.  I was
> > > able to get GetEmailRequest to display, only because it was mentioned
> > > in the examples.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help
> > >
> > > Ryan LeBlanc
> > > hosting at analoghosting.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From homeport at usnaweb.org  Wed Feb  6 06:46:10 2002
From: homeport at usnaweb.org (Homeport)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:46:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to list returned
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202052344450.20965-100000@host253.rice.iit.edu>

My mailman installation seems to be working fine but when I send mail to 
the list I get this response:

usna-alumni at usnaweb.org; Action: Failed; Status: 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address)
    Remote MTA usnaweb.org: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.1.1 
<usna-alumni at usnaweb.org>... User unknown

Do I have to establish an explicit user for each mailing list?
If so, how do I pipe mail to Mailman?

If not, what am I doing wrong?

Thanks, 

--Ray

Ray Trygstad
Editor, http://homeport.usnaweb.org/





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Feb  6 07:22:24 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:22:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies
In-Reply-To: <02020410383102.01572@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
References: <02020109405105.23959@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <E16Wg1R-0003t2-00@localhost> <20020203210446.B3390@merlins.org> <02020410383102.01572@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: <20020206062224.GH29629@merlins.org>

On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 10:38:31AM +0000, Oliver Egginger wrote:
> > > For some reason, konqueror sends back cookies with " marks around them.
> >
> > But this should mean that konqueror somehow works with mailman 2.05, right?
> > (I have a konqueror user complaining that it's not working either)
>
> I havn't tried MM 2.05 but 2.06 was still working.
> Since 2.07 it doesn't work.
> Other people reporting the same:
> http://bugs.kde.org/db/36/36524.html
> http://bugs.kde.org/db/35/35153.html

Some other person reported the same problem to me today (against mailman on
lists.sf.net, which is based on mm 2.0.5), and I just reproduced it with
konqueror 2.2.1 on my laptop right now.

However, I  think I "solved" the  mystery. The SF.net mailman does  have the
cookie patch that used  to crash python 1.5.x in some  cases, and that patch
is probably  what breaks konqueror  now (and  I'm guessing that's  the patch
that went in mm 2.07)

Either way, as long as I know it's a konqueror problem, that's fine :-)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From hosting at analoghosting.com  Wed Feb  6 07:50:08 2002
From: hosting at analoghosting.com (Ryan LeBlanc)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:50:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore
Message-ID: <001c01c1aeda$84e0e7c0$6401a8c0@mustang>

I am continuing my work on getting mailman working, and need to figure out
where some data is stored.  For example:

When I run the following on list Jack_domainname.com:

----------------------------
root at porsche /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
Loading list: jack_analoghost.com (unlocked)
>>> print m.GetListEmail()
Jack at domainname.com
>>>
Finalizing

-----------------------------

What file is it pulling that information from?  I can't seem to find it with
grep in the mailman home dir.  Once I do find it, I need to change it ;o)

Thanks for you help

Ryan LeBlanc
hosting at analoghosting.com





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Feb  6 07:54:41 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:54:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore
Message-ID: <200202060655.WAA21824@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Hint: it's not in a "file" per se; that information is part of the
MailList object, which is stored in the marshal 'config.db' in
the list data directory.

But surely you can change this with web commands.  Figure out
what you want to change, and there's certainly going to be
a web admin interface to change it (in 90% of cases).

> I am continuing my work on getting mailman working, and need to figure out
> where some data is stored.  For example:
> 
> When I run the following on list Jack_domainname.com:
> 
> ----------------------------
> root at porsche /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
> Loading list: jack_analoghost.com (unlocked)
> >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> Jack at domainname.com
> >>>
> Finalizing
> 
> -----------------------------
> 
> What file is it pulling that information from?  I can't seem to find it with
> grep in the mailman home dir.  Once I do find it, I need to change it ;o)
> 
> Thanks for you help
> 
> Ryan LeBlanc
> hosting at analoghosting.com




From waldowda at plu.edu  Wed Feb  6 07:59:44 2002
From: waldowda at plu.edu (Dean Waldow)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:59:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminder is always sent twice?
Message-ID: <3C60D460.6020106@plu.edu>

Hi,

Sorry if this is a simple one but all of my email lists seem to be 
sending out the monthly reminder twice to each user.  Is there a simple 
way to understand why this is happening and how to fix it?

Thanks for any suggestions!

Dean Waldow
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dean Waldow, Associate Professor      (253) 535-7533
Department of Chemistry               (253) 536-5055 (FAX)
Pacific Lutheran University           waldowda at plu.edu
Tacoma, WA  98447   USA               http://www.chem.plu.edu/waldow/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
CIRRUS <http://cirrus.chem.plu.edu/> -- Chem <http://www.chem.plu.edu/>
------------------------------------------------------------------------





From hosting at analoghosting.com  Wed Feb  6 08:03:46 2002
From: hosting at analoghosting.com (Ryan LeBlanc)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:03:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore
References: <200202060655.WAA21824@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <002501c1aedc$855876d0$6401a8c0@mustang>

I may have just been staring at this monitor for too long today, but I think
that setting is one of the 10% :-\

When I use dumpdb, it doesn't show in there, neither does it show up in the
output of config_list -o

I know it is possible to change it, because it is currently being done on a
server I have that uses cPanel.  Of course, they aren't going to tell me how
they did it :-\

Ryan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <hosting at analoghosting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore


> Hint: it's not in a "file" per se; that information is part of the
> MailList object, which is stored in the marshal 'config.db' in
> the list data directory.
>
> But surely you can change this with web commands.  Figure out
> what you want to change, and there's certainly going to be
> a web admin interface to change it (in 90% of cases).
>
> > I am continuing my work on getting mailman working, and need to figure
out
> > where some data is stored.  For example:
> >
> > When I run the following on list Jack_domainname.com:
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > root at porsche /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
> > Loading list: jack_analoghost.com (unlocked)
> > >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> > Jack at domainname.com
> > >>>
> > Finalizing
> >
> > -----------------------------
> >
> > What file is it pulling that information from?  I can't seem to find it
with
> > grep in the mailman home dir.  Once I do find it, I need to change it
;o)
> >
> > Thanks for you help
> >
> > Ryan LeBlanc
> > hosting at analoghosting.com
>
>
>
>





From hosting at analoghosting.com  Wed Feb  6 09:17:07 2002
From: hosting at analoghosting.com (Ryan LeBlanc)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:17:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore
References: <200202060655.WAA21824@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <005101c1aee6$ad671690$6401a8c0@mustang>

Upon more investigating, I need to change the value of "_internal_name":

--------------------
root at corvette /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
Loading list: jack_domainname.com (unlocked)
>>> print m.GetListEmail()
jack_domainname.com at domainname.com
>>> print m._internal_name
jack_domainname.com
--------------------

However, the following seems to work, but doesn't save permanently:

-----------------------
root at corvette /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
Loading list: jack_domainname.com (unlocked)
>>> m.Lock()
>>> print m._internal_name
jack_domainname.com
>>> m._internal_name = "jack"
>>> print m._internal_name
jack
>>> print m.GetListEmail()
Jack at domainame.com
>>> m.Save()
>>>
Unlocking (but not saving) list: jack
Finalizing
-----------------------

 The next time I run the withlist script, the old values are still there.

Anyone know how to get that value to save permanently?  I haven't touched
python until today, so am limping along.

Thanks!

Ryan LeBlanc
hosting at analoghosting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <hosting at analoghosting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore


> Hint: it's not in a "file" per se; that information is part of the
> MailList object, which is stored in the marshal 'config.db' in
> the list data directory.
>
> But surely you can change this with web commands.  Figure out
> what you want to change, and there's certainly going to be
> a web admin interface to change it (in 90% of cases).
>
> > I am continuing my work on getting mailman working, and need to figure
out
> > where some data is stored.  For example:
> >
> > When I run the following on list Jack_domainname.com:
> >
> > ----------------------------
> > root at porsche /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
> > Loading list: jack_analoghost.com (unlocked)
> > >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> > Jack at domainname.com
> > >>>
> > Finalizing
> >
> > -----------------------------
> >
> > What file is it pulling that information from?  I can't seem to find it
with
> > grep in the mailman home dir.  Once I do find it, I need to change it
;o)
> >
> > Thanks for you help
> >
> > Ryan LeBlanc
> > hosting at analoghosting.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
>





From molly11 at cstone.net  Wed Feb  6 14:50:03 2002
From: molly11 at cstone.net (Molly Cliborne)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:50:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list?
Message-ID: <B8869EBA.FFFB%molly11@cstone.net>

Hello out there--  I'm new to Mailman and would like to know if it's
possible to create read-only announcement type list using this software.  If
there is an FAQ, I apologize but I could not find it.  Would appreciate any
assistance out there.  Best wishes--

Molly

--
Molly Cliborne
http://www.north-node.com






From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb  6 15:24:43 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:24:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminder is always sent twice?
References: <3C60D460.6020106@plu.edu>
Message-ID: <005801c1af1a$05a451f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Check the cron entry for the password reminder:

  su mailman
  crontab -e

    #
    # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
    0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
    #

Check for more than one entry that mails out the passwords, or a cron timing
value to active it twice in the same month.  The above cronjob will run at
"0" minutes past the "5"th hour on the "1"st day of the month, for every
month, no matter what day of the week it is (Sun, Mon, ... Sat).  It will
run Python loading the script: /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Waldow" <waldowda at plu.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:59 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminder is always sent twice?


> Hi,
>
> Sorry if this is a simple one but all of my email lists seem to be
> sending out the monthly reminder twice to each user.  Is there a simple
> way to understand why this is happening and how to fix it?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Dean Waldow
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dean Waldow, Associate Professor      (253) 535-7533
> Department of Chemistry               (253) 536-5055 (FAX)
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From margy at gurus.com  Wed Feb  6 16:14:40 2002
From: margy at gurus.com (Margaret Levine Young)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web page design
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206101139.030537a8@imap.iecc.com>

We just moved abotu 150 lists to Mailman, and overall we're loving it (see 
www.uua.org/mailman/listinfo for the lists). However, our subscribers are 
consistently confused by the web pages and messages that Mailman sends. For 
the next version, would you be open to a redesign of the default pages that 
subscribers see? I know we can change them, but I think that Mailman should 
ship with clearer default pages.

For example, the listinfo page (e.g., 
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>) doesn't have a 
heading "How to Unsubscribe," which is one of the two main reasons that 
people go there. Unsubscription info is there, but it's buried at the 
bottom of the page.

Margy Levine Young <margy at gurus.com>
Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" <http://net.gurus.com> and "Poor
Richard's Building Online Communities" <http://www.topfloor.com>. Looking
for kids' videos? Check out <http://www.greattapes.com>




From cae at bklyn.org  Wed Feb  6 16:37:39 2002
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:37:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web page design
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206101139.030537a8@imap.iecc.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206101139.030537a8@imap.iecc.com>
Message-ID: <20020206153738.GA13126@tela.bklyn.org>

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:14:40AM -0500, Margaret Levine Young wrote:

> For example, the listinfo page (e.g.,
> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>) doesn't
> have a heading "How to Unsubscribe," which is one of the two main
> reasons that people go there. Unsubscription info is there, but it's
> buried at the bottom of the page.

	You can modify the HTML template for the listinfo pages at
	http://yourserver/mailman/edithtml/listname

	Take a look at http://mail.etree.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
	for an example of what the results might look like.  Not
	saying this is a design paragon, just an example of what you
	can do.

	I do agree, though, that "UNSUBSCRIBE HERE!" should be
	available someplace obvious.  It is far and away the biggest
	source of admin requests.  People are often not
	willing (capable?) of reading an entire web page to figure it
	out for themselves, so they end up emailing the admins.
	Making it prominent on the page is a big help on cutting down
	on useless requests.

-- 
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  |       Vulcans worship peace above all.
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust |       		-- McCoy, "Return to Tomorrow",
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  |       		stardate 4768.3



From simon at imaginemedia.co.uk  Wed Feb  6 16:43:33 2002
From: simon at imaginemedia.co.uk (Simon, imagine media)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:43:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 Invalid domain name')
Message-ID: <B886FFA5.AA0E%simon@imaginemedia.co.uk>

No mail is being sent to any list members since moving to new server (redhat
7.1). I am getting "All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 Invalid domain
name')" in logs/smtp. I know this is some thing to do with sendmail/dns
settings, but cannot set the Dj option in sendmail.cf as this is a virtual
hosting server with hundreds of domains/emails. What other options / configs
should I test. All help appreciated as I am losing sleep!!

Simon




From margy at gurus.com  Wed Feb  6 16:56:49 2002
From: margy at gurus.com (Margaret Levine Young)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:56:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web page design
In-Reply-To: <20020206153738.GA13126@tela.bklyn.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206101139.030537a8@imap.iecc.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020206101139.030537a8@imap.iecc.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206105409.01378760@imap.iecc.com>

>         You can modify the HTML template for the listinfo pages at
>         http://yourserver/mailman/edithtml/listname

Yes, I know, and we're doing that, but I'm suggesting that in the next rev, 
the default pages should start out better.

>         Take a look at http://mail.etree.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
>         for an example of what the results might look like.  Not
>         saying this is a design paragon, just an example of what you
>         can do.

Here's my first cut at a redesign:

    http://www.uua.org/mailman/listinfo/uua-list-owners-discuss


Margy Levine Young <margy at gurus.com>
Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" <http://net.gurus.com> and "Poor
Richard's Building Online Communities" <http://www.topfloor.com>. Looking
for kids' videos? Check out <http://www.greattapes.com>




From homeport at usnaweb.org  Wed Feb  6 18:04:40 2002
From: homeport at usnaweb.org (Homeport)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:04:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to list returned
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202052344450.20965-100000@host253.rice.iit.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202061053320.25742-100000@host253.rice.iit.edu>

I found my own answer in the documentation: 

"Create a test list
Create a list named test. To do so, run the program $prefix/bin/newlist. 
You will be prompted for the name of the list, as well as the email 
address of the person running the list. Put your own email address as the 
list administrator's address. 
Running newlist will generate a list of aliases that must be added to the 
system. If you are running Sendmail, you may add the lines output directly 
to the file /etc/aliases. You may need to run the command newaliases (all 
as root). Now the mailing address for your list as well as its 
administrative addresses will be set up. If you are not running Sendmail, 
consult your MTA's documentation for information on adding aliases."

The list of aliases that is created is only displayed to the screen. How 
hard would it be to have the newlist command place a file with the alias 
information in the directory created under /var/mailman/lists?

Just a thought.

Thanks,

--Ray

Ray Trygstad
Editor, http://homeport.usnaweb.org/


On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Homeport wrote:

> My mailman installation seems to be working fine but when I send mail to 
> the list I get this response:
> 
> usna-alumni at usnaweb.org; Action: Failed; Status: 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address)
>     Remote MTA usnaweb.org: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.1.1 
> <usna-alumni at usnaweb.org>... User unknown
> 
> Do I have to establish an explicit user for each mailing list?
> If so, how do I pipe mail to Mailman?
> 
> If not, what am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> --Ray
> 
> Ray Trygstad
> Editor, http://homeport.usnaweb.org/
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca  Wed Feb  6 17:45:12 2002
From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:45:12 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo
Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DCB@HERITAGE-SRV-1>

The list server I am setting up is only used for lists. I want the default
page from apache to be my.server.org/mailman/listinfo directly. I tried to
make a symlink between /var/www/html/index.html and
/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :

ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo /var/www/html/index.html

but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I browse my server.

If I access http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo directly it works fine. 

I know it is something real simple and obvious but I can't seem to think
strait today.

Thanks

MGL
--
Maurice G. Lafleur  +------------------------------------------------+ 
Teacher             + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412                  + 
Heritage College    + Fax:   +1(819).776.7364                        + 
325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca          + 
Hull. Qc.           +------------------------------------------------+
Canada               
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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb  6 18:07:58 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:07:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 Invalid domain name')
References: <B886FFA5.AA0E%simon@imaginemedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00cb01c1af30$d3cfda70$0b04010a@JCARNES>

If this isn't in the FAQ, it is certainly discussed widely in the
archives...

>> I am a bit new to RH 7.2 I usually install 6.2. Is there some sort of
>> a new twist to make sendmail work under RH 7.2 ?
>
> Yes, read the release notes.  RH7.x has sendmail default to only
> listen on 127.0.0.1 (localhost), and refuse any other connection.
> You need to reconfigure your sendmail.cf to allow for external
> connections.

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon, imagine media" <simon at imaginemedia.co.uk>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:43 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 Invalid domain
name')


> No mail is being sent to any list members since moving to new server
(redhat
> 7.1). I am getting "All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 Invalid domain
> name')" in logs/smtp. I know this is some thing to do with sendmail/dns
> settings, but cannot set the Dj option in sendmail.cf as this is a virtual
> hosting server with hundreds of domains/emails. What other options /
configs
> should I test. All help appreciated as I am losing sleep!!
>
> Simon
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From robert at einsle.de  Wed Feb  6 18:25:21 2002
From: robert at einsle.de (Robert Einsle)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:25:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Err: setting Admin-Password on one Mailmanlist
Message-ID: <20020206172523.0AEB0C5A7E0@router.tk.einsle.de>

Hello all

I'va a Problem I don't understand. 

I'm using mailman 2.0.8 on my system. When i go with the side-Password
to one of my Lists, and i set the Admin-Password new, i cannot login
with this newly set password to the list. I can only connect via the
side-password-list. I've looked about the rights on 
/var/lib/mailman/lists/afu-kurs (afu-kurs is the name of the List with
the password-Prob), but i cannot see an difference to other Lists.
This Prob is only one of my Mailman-Lists.

Where can i look for my Prob

Thanks very lot.

Regards

Robert Einsle



From cae at bklyn.org  Wed Feb  6 18:27:16 2002
From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:27:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: (501, '5.0.0 Invalid domain name')
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c1af30$d3cfda70$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <B886FFA5.AA0E%simon@imaginemedia.co.uk> <00cb01c1af30$d3cfda70$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020206172715.GA18582@tela.bklyn.org>

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 12:07:58PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:

> If this isn't in the FAQ, it is certainly discussed widely in the
> archives...
> 
> >> I am a bit new to RH 7.2 I usually install 6.2. Is there some sort of
> >> a new twist to make sendmail work under RH 7.2 ?
> >
> > Yes, read the release notes.  RH7.x has sendmail default to only
> > listen on 127.0.0.1 (localhost), and refuse any other connection.
> > You need to reconfigure your sendmail.cf to allow for external
> > connections.
> 
> Good Luck

	FWIW, sendmail is an exceedingly poor MTA when it comes to
	Mailman.  The only way to get it to have reasonable throughput
	seems to be to put it in DeliveryMode=defer, which makes it
	hard to get posts out the door quickly.  They will get held up
	until the next queue run, and that can take a long time if
	there are DNS resolution problems or connection delays.
	Putting sendmail into defer mode seems to be the only way to
	stop it doing DNS resolution on every "RCPT TO:<luser at domaon>"
	that it gets.

	I HIGHLY recommend using any other MTA besides sendmail.  Exim
	is my MTA of choice, but I understand qmail and postfix are
	also good.

-- 
Caleb Epstein |  bklyn . org  |
    cae at    | Brooklyn Dust |         Go 'way!  You're bothering me!
bklyn dot org |   Bunny Mfg.  |



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Feb  6 18:33:26 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:33:26 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo
In-Reply-To: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DCB@HERITAGE-SRV-1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206170111.02e2fcf8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:45 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice wrote:

>The list server I am setting up is only used for lists. I want the default 
>page from apache to be my.server.org/mailman/listinfo directly. I tried to 
>make a symlink between /var/www/html/index.html and 
>/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :
>
>ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo /var/www/html/index.html

This will not work as you are trying to link a static page to a cgi script. 
The link is fine but Apache cannot interpret this as you want.

Asdsuming you have mod_rewrite installed, the following Apache re-write 
rules will work to "transparently" redirect the URI '/' and '/index.html' 
to the cgi-script

RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]
RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]

Whether you will get any knock-on problems with the browser interpreting 
relative links on the pages returned incorrectly is another issue. If that 
happens your may want to use the rewrite rules to redirect / and /index.html:

RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]
RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]


>but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I browse my server.
>
>If I access 
><http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo>http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo 
>directly it works fine.
>
>I know it is something real simple and obvious but I can't seem to think 
>strait today.
>
>Thanks
>
>MGL
>--
>Maurice G. Lafleur  +------------------------------------------------+
>Teacher             + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412                  +
>Heritage College    + Fax:   +1(819).776.7364                        +
>325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca          +
>Hull. Qc.           +------------------------------------------------+
>Canada
>J8Y 6T3




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Feb  6 19:24:51 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:24:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web page design
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206105409.01378760@imap.iecc.com>
Message-ID: <B886B4F3.11288%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 2/6/02 7:56 AM, "Margaret Levine Young" <margy at gurus.com> wrote:

> Here's my first cut at a redesign:
> 
>   http://www.uua.org/mailman/listinfo/uua-list-owners-discuss

Not at all bad. You might also look at
<http://plaidworks.com/mailman/listinfo/sharks> to see what I've done. A
number of us have hacked the listinfo pages, and I've sent my changes back
to Barry as well...


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach (chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/)
Will Geek for hardware.





From bob at trailofstars.org  Wed Feb  6 20:38:55 2002
From: bob at trailofstars.org (Robert Smith)
Date: Wed,  6 Feb 2002 12:38:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing HTML in archive and admin interface
Message-ID: <20020206193855.82ED28ED7@adam.trailofstars.org>

Does anyone know of a way to customize the archive and administrative 
interfaces for a particular list?  I've figured out everything else, 
and even had the archives customized somewhat, but when I ran arch to 
make sure they wouldn't be overwritten they were...of 
course...overwritten.

Thanks for the help that anybody can provide on this!

Robert Smith





From nhasan at nadmm.com  Wed Feb  6 20:46:03 2002
From: nhasan at nadmm.com (Nadeem Hasan)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:46:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix
Message-ID: <3C6187FB.253C5A04@nadmm.com>

Hi all,

I am trying to use mailman with postfix. I recompiled mailman as
described in /usr/share/doc/packages/mailman/README.SuSE by using:

--with-cgi-gid=$NOGROUPGID --with-mail-gid=$NOGROUPGID

$NOGROUPGID expands to "nogroup" (gid 65534). Now, I get the following
error from mailman wrapper when I try to test:

WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 28.  (Reconfigure to take 28?)

Where gid 28 is "mdom". Did I miss anything here? What more do
I have to do to make it work so that I don't make postfix any less
secure?

Cheers,
--
Nadeem Hasan
nhasan at nadmm.com
http://www.nadmm.com/



From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca  Wed Feb  6 20:47:46 2002
From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:47:46 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo
Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DCD@HERITAGE-SRV-1>

Thanks for the suggestion, but I am  not sure of the exact meaning of your
solution.

Here's what Ii understand:

I checked my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file and yes it says:

LoadModule rewrite_module     modules/mod_rewrite.so

in the file.

Then I copied the lines you suggest in that file (I placed them right after
the ScriptAlias lines)
I restarted the httpd daemon (killall -HUP httpd) and accessed my site. Same
page as before. Am I missing a step?

Thanks

MGL

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
> Sent: February 6, 2002 12:33 PM
> To: Lafleur Maurice; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo
> 
> 
> At 11:45 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice wrote:
> 
> >The list server I am setting up is only used for lists. I 
> want the default 
> >page from apache to be my.server.org/mailman/listinfo 
> directly. I tried to 
> >make a symlink between /var/www/html/index.html and 
> >/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :
> >
> >ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo /var/www/html/index.html
> 
> This will not work as you are trying to link a static page to 
> a cgi script. 
> The link is fine but Apache cannot interpret this as you want.
> 
> Asdsuming you have mod_rewrite installed, the following 
> Apache re-write 
> rules will work to "transparently" redirect the URI '/' and 
> '/index.html' 
> to the cgi-script
> 
> RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]
> RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]
> 
> Whether you will get any knock-on problems with the browser 
> interpreting 
> relative links on the pages returned incorrectly is another 
> issue. If that 
> happens your may want to use the rewrite rules to redirect / 
> and /index.html:
> 
> RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]
> RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]
> 
> 
> >but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I browse my server.
> >
> >If I access 
> ><http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo>http://my.server.org/m
ailman/listinfo 
>directly it works fine.
>
>I know it is something real simple and obvious but I can't seem to think 
>strait today.
>
>Thanks
>
>MGL
>--
>Maurice G. Lafleur  +------------------------------------------------+
>Teacher             + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412                  +
>Heritage College    + Fax:   +1(819).776.7364                        +
>325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca          +
>Hull. Qc.           +------------------------------------------------+
>Canada
>J8Y 6T3
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From Clark.Cooper at vc3.com  Wed Feb  6 20:56:20 2002
From: Clark.Cooper at vc3.com (Clark Cooper)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] .signature to posts
Message-ID: <022301c1af48$593f6ec0$7b008d0a@sc.slr.com>

Is there a way in Mailman to append text to each posts as done with a
.signature file?
 
Thank you,
Clark Cooper
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From twarfield at astcorp.com  Wed Feb  6 21:14:29 2002
From: twarfield at astcorp.com (Tom Warfield)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:14:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] on behalf of
Message-ID: <003901c1af4a$e1f93190$a15c03cf@astcorp.com>

How do I get mailman just to put the persons email address instead of
saying list-manager-admin at something.com on behalf of Sender Name
Someone at somewhere.com

I just want it to state only someone at somewhere.com in the from field.

Thanks!
Tom 




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Feb  6 23:01:39 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:01:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore
Message-ID: <200202062202.OAA24367@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

So you want to "rename a list".  That's not easy.  Barry posted
a procedure last August for doing this, in message ID
<15227.19242.722021.175539 at anthem.wooz.org>; check out the archives
for that message, and see if it works for you.  If so, we could
perhaps add it to the Mailman FAQ.

It may be easier just to dump the subscriber list, create a new
list, and restore it.  You'll lose user options and archives
(at least without some extra manual work), but perhaps that's
acceptable.

The reason you can't just change it is that directories are named
based on the list name, among other reasons.

> Upon more investigating, I need to change the value of "_internal_name":
> 
> --------------------
> root at corvette /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
> Loading list: jack_domainname.com (unlocked)
> >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> jack_domainname.com at domainname.com
> >>> print m._internal_name
> jack_domainname.com
> --------------------
> 
> However, the following seems to work, but doesn't save permanently:
> 
> -----------------------
> root at corvette /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
> Loading list: jack_domainname.com (unlocked)
> >>> m.Lock()
> >>> print m._internal_name
> jack_domainname.com
> >>> m._internal_name = "jack"
> >>> print m._internal_name
> jack
> >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> Jack at domainame.com
> >>> m.Save()
> >>>
> Unlocking (but not saving) list: jack
> Finalizing
> -----------------------
> 
>  The next time I run the withlist script, the old values are still there.
> 
> Anyone know how to get that value to save permanently?  I haven't touched
> python until today, so am limping along.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Ryan LeBlanc
> hosting at analoghosting.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Mick" <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <hosting at analoghosting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore
> 
> 
> > Hint: it's not in a "file" per se; that information is part of the
> > MailList object, which is stored in the marshal 'config.db' in
> > the list data directory.
> >
> > But surely you can change this with web commands.  Figure out
> > what you want to change, and there's certainly going to be
> > a web admin interface to change it (in 90% of cases).
> >
> > > I am continuing my work on getting mailman working, and need to figure
> out
> > > where some data is stored.  For example:
> > >
> > > When I run the following on list Jack_domainname.com:
> > >
> > > ----------------------------
> > > root at porsche /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
> > > Loading list: jack_analoghost.com (unlocked)
> > > >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> > > Jack at domainname.com
> > > >>>
> > > Finalizing
> > >
> > > -----------------------------
> > >
> > > What file is it pulling that information from?  I can't seem to find it
> with
> > > grep in the mailman home dir.  Once I do find it, I need to change it
> ;o)
> > >
> > > Thanks for you help
> > >
> > > Ryan LeBlanc
> > > hosting at analoghosting.com
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mitol at optushome.com.au  Wed Feb  6 23:10:36 2002
From: mitol at optushome.com.au (Joe Mizzi)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:10:36 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail
Message-ID: <004a01c1af5b$1b20be60$93f3a4cb@vic.optushome.com.au>

All hotmail address do not recieve anything from my mailing list. All other domains work. Why is this?
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From PieterB at CCMA.org.za  Tue Feb  5 11:59:19 2002
From: PieterB at CCMA.org.za (Pieter Bothma)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:59:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as autoresponder
Message-ID: <CD378E9075F7F940A7CC98AA4CDE555B0BED9C@ccmablmexch.ccma.org.za>

Hi

Any documentation on how to use Mailman as autoresponder?

Thanks a mil.

Pieter



From chilts at birdbrained.org  Tue Feb  5 15:24:19 2002
From: chilts at birdbrained.org (Chris Hilts)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:24:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [SM-USERS] Bug against Mozilla?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.42.0202031106140.28099-100000@bastardo-asp.finestra.net>
References: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl> <Pine.LNX.4.42.0202031106140.28099-100000@bastardo-asp.finestra.net>
Message-ID: <20020205142419.GA6169@birdbrained.org>

On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 11:07:47AM -0800, Ivan F. Poddubny wrote:
> This is well-known Mozilla 0.9.7 bug. Check buglist on Mozilla.org for
> more information. Workarond -- downgrade to 0.9.6 or use Opera/IE.

IMHO, downgrading to 0.9.6 is a non-option.  Downloading the most recent nightly build is probably better in
this case.

Chris Hilts
chilts at birdbrained.org

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From icon at duke.edu  Tue Feb  5 15:36:23 2002
From: icon at duke.edu (Konstantin Riabitsev)
Date: 05 Feb 2002 09:36:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [SM-USERS] Bug against Mozilla?
In-Reply-To: <20020205142419.GA6169@birdbrained.org>
References: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl>
	<Pine.LNX.4.42.0202031106140.28099-100000@bastardo-asp.finestra.net> 
	<20020205142419.GA6169@birdbrained.org>
Message-ID: <1012919789.29758.3.camel@hagrid>

On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 09:24, Chris Hilts wrote:
> IMHO, downgrading to 0.9.6 is a non-option.  Downloading the most recent nightly build is probably better in
> this case.

Or, you can grab a fresh 0.9.8. ;)

-- 
 0>  Konstantin ("Icon") Riabitsev
/ )  Duke University Physics Sysadmin
 ~   www.phy.duke.edu/~icon/pubkey.asc
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From chilts at birdbrained.org  Tue Feb  5 15:42:57 2002
From: chilts at birdbrained.org (Chris Hilts)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:42:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [SM-USERS] Bug against Mozilla?
In-Reply-To: <1012919789.29758.3.camel@hagrid>
References: <20020203115248.A23650@avondel.nl> <Pine.LNX.4.42.0202031106140.28099-100000@bastardo-asp.finestra.net> <20020205142419.GA6169@birdbrained.org> <1012919789.29758.3.camel@hagrid>
Message-ID: <20020205144257.GA6246@birdbrained.org>

On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 09:36:23AM -0500, Konstantin Riabitsev wrote:
> Or, you can grab a fresh 0.9.8. ;)

Whoopsie.  My bad - I didn't realize 0.9.8 was out. Thanks Konstantin.
(Now I guess I should upgrade and see if they have an announcement list)

Chris


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From donna at v1.wustl.edu  Tue Feb  5 17:32:30 2002
From: donna at v1.wustl.edu (Donna Hanlon)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:32:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] never get instructions on how to visit the list
Message-ID: <3C60091E.4ACF83DB@v1.wustl.edu>

Hi,

After installing mailman-2.0.6 on Linux RedHat 7.1, I ran newlist test
and added the resulting aliases to /etc/asiases and ran newaliases.  I
never get the email explaining how to visit the list.  Here are the
lines from /var/log/maillog:

Feb  5 09:17:47 myhost sendmail[1664]: g15FHlB01664: tcpwrappers myhost,
127.0.0.1) rejection
Feb  5 09:17:47 myhost sendmail[1664]: NOQUEUE: myhost [127.0.0.1] did
not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA

Here are log files from /usr/local/mailman/logs:

sh-2.04$ for file in * ; do echo "---$file---" ; cat $file ; done
---bounce---
Feb 05 09:17:47 2002 (1663) Test: donna at v1.wustl.edu - first
---error---
---post---
Feb 05 09:17:47 2002 (1663) post to test from mailman-owner at pulvinar,
size=1280, 1 failures
---smtp---
Feb 05 09:17:47 2002 (1663) All recipients refused: (550, '5.0.0 Access
denied', 'test-admin at pulvinar')
Feb 05 09:17:47 2002 (1663) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.042
seconds

I'm guessing I don't have sendmail configured properly.

Donna



From nhasan at nadmm.com  Tue Feb  5 17:43:13 2002
From: nhasan at nadmm.com (Nadeem Hasan)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix on SuSE
Message-ID: <3C600BA1.DFA9CD81@nadmm.com>

Hi all,

I am trying to use mailman with postfix. I recompiled mailman as
described in /usr/share/doc/packages/mailman/README.SuSE by using:

--with-cgi-gid=$NOGROUPGID --with-mail-gid=$NOGROUPGID

$NOGROUPGID expands to "nogroup" (gid 65534). Now, I get the following
error from mailman wrapper when I try to test:

WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 28.  (Reconfigure to take 28?)

Where gid 28 is "mdom". Did I miss anything here? What more do
I have to do to make it work so that I don't make postfix any less
secure?

Cheers,
--
Nadeem Hasan
nhasan at nadmm.com
http://www.nadmm.com/



From rcardona at asc.upenn.edu  Wed Feb  6 00:52:22 2002
From: rcardona at asc.upenn.edu (Richard Cardona)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:52:22 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RHL 7.2 and mailman-2.0.8-1.i386.rpm problems
Message-ID: <ECC6F7B330A26C40B652962C47DEA258068648@ASC02.asc.upenn.edu>

I apologize if this has been covered somewhere, but I haven't been able to
find it.

I installed the rpm and followed all the instructions in the
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/README.REDHAT file.

In a nutshell, it instructs the user to run
mmsitepass
enable sendmail to accept outside connections
add configurations to httpd (ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
--etc)

I've done that.

I can create lists, use the web interface (http://myserver/mailman/admin)

etc...

I can subscribe users, they get a welcome message, all seems to work up to
this point.

***

If I send mail to the list from myserver, I get a message bounced back to
me:

The original message was received at Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:35:47 -0500
from rcardona at localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
support at hector.asc.upenn.edu
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 5.1.1 support at hector.asc.upenn.edu... User unknown

****
If I send mail to the list from another server, it disappears.

***

Any suggestions?


Thanks

Rich Cardona




From homeport at host253.rice.iit.edu  Wed Feb  6 02:53:55 2002
From: homeport at host253.rice.iit.edu (Homeport - The USNA Alumni Online Community)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:53:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail to list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202051950230.19207-100000@host253.rice.iit.edu>

My mailman installation seems to be working fine but when I send mail to 
the list I get this response:

usna-alumni at usnaweb.org; Action: Failed; Status: 5.1.1 (bad destination 
mailbox address)
    Remote MTA usnaweb.org: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.1.1 
<usna-alumni at usnaweb.org>... User unknown

Do I have to establish an explicit user for each mailing list?
If so, how do I pipe mail to Mailman?

If not, what am I doing wrong?

Thanks, 

--Ray

Ray Trygstad
Editor, http://homeport.usnaweb.org/





From jessica at anticlockwise.com  Wed Feb  6 03:06:44 2002
From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:06:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What do you think of this idea to keep external people from subscribing?
Message-ID: <200202060206.g1626jb18200@lenin.anticlockwise.com>

I've got a bunch of lists which I want to have set so that anyone can
subscribe themselves very easily.

However - I want only people on my internal network to be able to do this.

The web interface is accessible only internally, so that's easy.

But listname-request at foo.com is still there - random outsiders could
email that and get subscribed.

Would I lose anything *important* if I simply removed the listname-request
alias from my aliases, disabling that way of subscribing?

--jessica




From fphilippo at auchan.com  Wed Feb  6 10:24:27 2002
From: fphilippo at auchan.com (Francois PHILIPPO)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:24:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + LDAP
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020206101844.00a5f778@pop3.auchan.com>

hi,

I 've just read an article about mailman and ldap. I'm interrested in.
I need to manage mailing via an LDAP (store all mailing information - quota 
- users ... in an LDAP)
- is it possible with mailman ?
- where could I find documentation about this ?


thanx




From fmaquiaveli at ativactv.com.br  Wed Feb  6 19:51:22 2002
From: fmaquiaveli at ativactv.com.br (Fernando Maquiaveli)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:51:22 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default password
Message-ID: <NEBBJOEKLKCMJKNPKNCFMELIDIAA.fmaquiaveli@ativactv.com.br>

Hi

When a user is added using membership management (mass subscripion members
option), what is the default password for new members.
Tank you.

Fernando Maquiaveli
Ativa S/A Corretora de t?tulos e valores
Email: fmaquiaveli at ativactv.com.br
Fone: 55 11 3168-5088
Fax:  55 11 3168-4001





From dlhbloom at mindspring.com  Wed Feb  6 19:27:42 2002
From: dlhbloom at mindspring.com (Diana H. Bloomfield)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <3C61759D.4E8880F5@mindspring.com>

I've written a couple of people about this, and I get conflicting
answers.  Here's my question.  I belong(ed) to a discussion group for a
couple of years.  Because the posts were so frequent, I opted for the
digest version.  If people don't send in their e-mail in plain text, all
the HTML coding and MIME junk comes across.  In the last few months
especially, this became intolerable, with most of the digests filling an
entire page with this stuff.

I asked the list moderator to do something.  He didn't write in to the
list at all, until someone else did, reminding everyone to send in
e-mails in plain text.  Only then did he write something reminding
everyone.  That works for about a day.  I waited a few weeks and asked
again if there was nothing he could do to filter this mess out.  He said
he "worked all day," had not time to spend on it, suggested I start my
own list, and said his server would not allow him any filtering
capabilities.  He uses Mailman 2.0.  Is this true?  He said he would
have to moderate each e-mail individually and manually bounce each one
back to the sender.

I have read up on Mailman, and from what I can tell, Mailman does have
the capability to do the automatic filtering (or whatever you call it).
So is the list manager a liar, just stupid, or incompetent?  Is there
any scenario that would not allow Mailman 2.0 to accomplish this task
and this list manager to implement this?

Thanks for your answer.  I ended up unsubscribing, because the junk was
so intolerable.  I was getting more junk than messages.

--D. Bloomfield




From john at wexfordpress.com  Wed Feb  6 20:14:25 2002
From: john at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:14:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default url.
Message-ID: <02020614142503.00299@publish>

I use Mailman on my home system, which is known locally as localhost
but on the internet as publish.wexfordpress.net. 

When I create a mailing list it uses localhost. This is embedded in a 
config.db file.

1. How do I change the url in an existing list.

2. How do I set up mailman to always use publish.wexfordpress.net as the url?

Thanks,

John culleton



From super.aorta at ntlworld.com  Wed Feb  6 22:03:47 2002
From: super.aorta at ntlworld.com (SA products)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:03:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid question:
Message-ID: <3C619A33.E6A0F98E@ntlworld.com>

I would like to write a program to capture mail (on a system using
IMAP and Exim) and
parse the email to administer a database- I have so far got my mail
parsing etc working fine
and I am reading the email using the c-client  library.  This has not
proved great as the c-client
library is throwing "unknown" errors "at random" (ie I can say when or
why it does this and it
does not seem to be related to the input).


So I am looking for another way to read the email from my IMAP inbox so
I can parse it, act on it,
save it somewhere and then delete it.


Any hints?- where would you start looking in mailman to extract these
features


Thanks matt




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb  6 23:33:35 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:33:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
References: <3C61759D.4E8880F5@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <01f701c1af5e$50641f10$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Your harried list manager is telling you the truth.  Now leave him alone!

Okay, he's telling the truth but he is leaving out that there are ways to
enforce text only emails on a list.  It would involve adding a preprocessor
to the mailing list.  For some folks that is easily accomplished (do-able in
about  four hours), but for folks who have never done it before, it can be a
real time-sink to get up and running.

You could, of course do the research for him... Pop on to www.google.com and
start searching for MTA add-ons like mimedefang.

Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana H. Bloomfield" <dlhbloom at mindspring.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:27 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question


> I've written a couple of people about this, and I get conflicting
> answers.  Here's my question.  I belong(ed) to a discussion group for a
> couple of years.  Because the posts were so frequent, I opted for the
> digest version.  If people don't send in their e-mail in plain text, all
> the HTML coding and MIME junk comes across.  In the last few months
> especially, this became intolerable, with most of the digests filling an
> entire page with this stuff.
>
> I asked the list moderator to do something.  He didn't write in to the
> list at all, until someone else did, reminding everyone to send in
> e-mails in plain text.  Only then did he write something reminding
> everyone.  That works for about a day.  I waited a few weeks and asked
> again if there was nothing he could do to filter this mess out.  He said
> he "worked all day," had not time to spend on it, suggested I start my
> own list, and said his server would not allow him any filtering
> capabilities.  He uses Mailman 2.0.  Is this true?  He said he would
> have to moderate each e-mail individually and manually bounce each one
> back to the sender.
>
> I have read up on Mailman, and from what I can tell, Mailman does have
> the capability to do the automatic filtering (or whatever you call it).
> So is the list manager a liar, just stupid, or incompetent?  Is there
> any scenario that would not allow Mailman 2.0 to accomplish this task
> and this list manager to implement this?
>
> Thanks for your answer.  I ended up unsubscribing, because the junk was
> so intolerable.  I was getting more junk than messages.
>
> --D. Bloomfield
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb  6 23:48:46 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:48:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid question:
References: <3C619A33.E6A0F98E@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <01fd01c1af60$6f97b8e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

First off, this is not a mailman question... but there are a lot of savvy
folks on the list, so you just might find what your looking for.

Second, I do a lot of things via email-triggers.  It is very simple to do,
but then of course I use one of the greatest MTA's ever: Sendmail!  <I know,
but I just had to put that dig in... after all the bad press Sendmail gets>.

Normally I send the email directly to a specific address on the server and
use the aliases file to parse the mail via a script.  Something like this:
  restart_vpn:  |"/usr/local/sbin/mail_restart_vpn"

when mail comes into my server addressed to "restart_vpn" it sends the mail
to the script /usr/local/sbin/mail_restart_vpn.  The script parses the
subject line looking for the proper password (and its just as easy to parse
the body of the email) and then reacts as I've instructed it.

Take a look at "man bash" and spend the night in front of your monitor
reading...

If you want to kick off scripts based on email that comes directly to your
account, then you might want to use a preprocessor like Procmail.  Your
system may already use procmail, in which case you can have it redirect mail
based on many different criteria, or even have it kick off scripts for you.

Failing all that, you might want to simply use "grep" and "cut" to isolate
data out of your mailbox and then feed that isolated data into your
programs.

Good luck, and have fun learning -

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "SA products" <super.aorta at ntlworld.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:03 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid question:


>
> I would like to write a program to capture mail (on a system using
> IMAP and Exim) and
> parse the email to administer a database- I have so far got my mail
> parsing etc working fine
> and I am reading the email using the c-client  library.  This has not
> proved great as the c-client
> library is throwing "unknown" errors "at random" (ie I can say when or
> why it does this and it
> does not seem to be related to the input).
>
>
> So I am looking for another way to read the email from my IMAP inbox so
> I can parse it, act on it,
> save it somewhere and then delete it.
>
>
> Any hints?- where would you start looking in mailman to extract these
> features
>
>
> Thanks matt
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb  6 23:51:12 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:51:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default url.
References: <02020614142503.00299@publish>
Message-ID: <020301c1af60$c695c5b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

web-admin
  general options page
    "Base URL... "

Be careful, and get it right or you'll have to restore the list from the
config.db.last

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Culleton" <john at wexfordpress.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default url.


> I use Mailman on my home system, which is known locally as localhost
> but on the internet as publish.wexfordpress.net.
>
> When I create a mailing list it uses localhost. This is embedded in a
> config.db file.
>
> 1. How do I change the url in an existing list.
>
> 2. How do I set up mailman to always use publish.wexfordpress.net as the
url?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John culleton
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb  6 23:55:20 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:55:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What do you think of this idea to keep external people from subscribing?
References: <200202060206.g1626jb18200@lenin.anticlockwise.com>
Message-ID: <021101c1af61$5a904f60$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Try it, it should work fine.  Your users will be stuck using the web, but
that's not so bad.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica Koeppel" <jessica at anticlockwise.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What do you think of this idea to keep external
people from subscribing?


>
> I've got a bunch of lists which I want to have set so that anyone can
> subscribe themselves very easily.
>
> However - I want only people on my internal network to be able to do this.
>
> The web interface is accessible only internally, so that's easy.
>
> But listname-request at foo.com is still there - random outsiders could
> email that and get subscribed.
>
> Would I lose anything *important* if I simply removed the listname-request
> alias from my aliases, disabling that way of subscribing?
>
> --jessica
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb  6 23:53:39 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default password
References: <NEBBJOEKLKCMJKNPKNCFMELIDIAA.fmaquiaveli@ativactv.com.br>
Message-ID: <020901c1af61$1e1d9bf0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Mailman assigns a random password.  You can use various tools such as
~mailman/bin/dbdump to examine the database and see the password that each
user has.  You will also find several scripts for playing with users
passwords in the FAQ (check out the Apache htaccess link to mailman
passwords).

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fernando Maquiaveli" <fmaquiaveli at ativactv.com.br>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default password


> Hi
>
> When a user is added using membership management (mass subscripion members
> option), what is the default password for new members.
> Tank you.
>
> Fernando Maquiaveli
> Ativa S/A Corretora de t?tulos e valores
> Email: fmaquiaveli at ativactv.com.br
> Fone: 55 11 3168-5088
> Fax:  55 11 3168-4001
>
>
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From dlin at meyersgroup.com  Thu Feb  7 00:30:40 2002
From: dlin at meyersgroup.com (David Lin)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:30:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists transfer
Message-ID: <000c01c1af66$4ab53880$9402000a@wirv6iljz>

Hi,

New to Linux + Mailman.  I have a Red Hat 6.2 with Mailman 2.0beta2 and
going to build a Red Hat 7.2 with Mailman 2.0.8.  I have three list on the
old box where I need to transfer to the new one.  Can someone please direct
me a way?  thanks.

David




From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Thu Feb  7 00:51:13 2002
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: 06 Feb 2002 20:51:13 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix
In-Reply-To: <3C6187FB.253C5A04@nadmm.com>
References: <3C6187FB.253C5A04@nadmm.com>
Message-ID: <1013039474.2416.45.camel@julieta>

El mi?, 06-02-2002 a las 16:46, Nadeem Hasan escribi?:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am trying to use mailman with postfix. I recompiled mailman as
> described in /usr/share/doc/packages/mailman/README.SuSE by using:
> 
> --with-cgi-gid=$NOGROUPGID --with-mail-gid=$NOGROUPGID
> 
> $NOGROUPGID expands to "nogroup" (gid 65534). Now, I get the following
> error from mailman wrapper when I try to test:
> 
> WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 28.  (Reconfigure to take 28?)
> 
> Where gid 28 is "mdom". Did I miss anything here? What more do
> I have to do to make it work so that I don't make postfix any less
> secure?

Try with --with-mail-gid=mdom 

However, I suggest you to uninstall SuSE's mailman package, download the
package from MM site and 

./configure --prefix=/usr/lib/mailman
--with-var-prefix=/var/spool/mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman
--with-cgi-gid=nogroup

make install

cd /usr/lib/mailman

bin/check_perms 

bin/mailmanctl start


The above directories of $PREFIX are the original SuSE's mailman
installation.

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From morgan at hahaha.org  Thu Feb  7 01:32:54 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:32:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relay access denied
Message-ID: <87wuxqp1vt.fsf@hahaha.org>

I'm trying to run mailman 2.0.8 on NetBSD 1.5.1 with postfix. When I create
a list and it tries to send mail to a valid external address (for the list
owner), postfix doesn't send the message and I see this in maillog:

  Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied

I've created user and group mailman, mailman. User mailman is in group
mailman.

As another user, I've done './configure --with-mail-gid=mailman', then
'sudo make DIRSETGID=: install', then 'chown -R mailman *' in
/home/mailman. (ref: README.BSD)

I've added a local alias map to /etc/postfix/main.cf:

  alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/home/mailman/aliases

The file /home/mailman/aliases looks like this:

  ## test mailing list
  ## created: 06-Feb-2002 mailman
  test:			"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
  test-admin:		"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
  test-request:		"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
  test-owner:		test-admin

If I do 'praliases -f aliases' as mailman I see my aliases.

The command 'hostname' reports 'www.ourdomain.com', and 
'/usr/sbin/postconf | grep ourd' reports:

  mydomain = ourdomain.com
  myhostname = mail.ourdomain.com

The mailman account can directly email the external address that is the
owner of the 'test' list and the mail is delivered.

I'm at a loss. Can you help me out? 

Morgan



From ereiss at webwillow.com  Thu Feb  7 03:33:23 2002
From: ereiss at webwillow.com (Ed Reiss)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:33:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible to change $DATE$ display format?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206183115.02197f40@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I'd like to change the format with which $DATE$ is displayed in the
general (by date) archive from:

Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:13:10 -0700 (MST)
to
Wed, Feb 6 2002 16:13:10 -0700 (MST)

Thanks for any help.

Regards,
Ed Reiss




From stephen at xemacs.org  Thu Feb  7 06:12:30 2002
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: 07 Feb 2002 14:12:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <01f701c1af5e$50641f10$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <3C61759D.4E8880F5@mindspring.com>
	<01f701c1af5e$50641f10$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <87heotnadd.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Jon" == Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> writes:

    Jon> It would involve adding a preprocessor to the mailing list.
    Jon> For some folks that is easily accomplished (do-able in about
    Jon> four hours), but for folks who have never done it before, it
    Jon> can be a real time-sink to get up and running.

And some list managers are not site admins.

I've been waiting since October for my sysadmin to set up a way for me
to maintain an /etc/procmail/my_list, which would make things a lot
cleaner than relaying through my (otherwise unused for mail) personal
account.  But many list managers won't have either of those options.


-- 
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University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
              Don't ask how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From marina at reliance.it  Thu Feb  7 07:03:05 2002
From: marina at reliance.it (marina)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:03:05 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests
In-Reply-To: <E16YaHP-0007VN-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16YaHP-0007VN-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <p04330101b887c02dc5bd@[192.164.0.2]>

Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in 2.1?

The reason I'm asking is that, even though I do have access to a 
competent Python programmer, we manage a large mailing list on a 
server that we do not have admin access to. We get daily complaints 
from Internet users about the formatting of the digests.

For those who have never seen this digest problem, I include an 
excerpt from yesterday's digest for the Mailman-user group (no 
criticism of the poster, btw - this is a common problem).

Thanks,

marina
<http://www.soapnaturally.org>


[snip]
  >
  >------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF47.26790A10
  >Content-Type: text/html;
  >	charset="iso-8859-1"
  >
  ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
  ><HTML>
  ><HEAD>
  ><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
  ><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">
  ><TITLE>RE: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo</TITLE>
  ></HEAD>
  ><BODY>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks for the suggestion, but I am&nbsp; not sure 
of the exact meaning of your solution.</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Here's what Ii understand:</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>I checked my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file and 
yes it says:</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>LoadModule rewrite_module&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
modules/mod_rewrite.so</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>in the file.</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Then I copied the lines you suggest in that file (I 
placed them right after the ScriptAlias lines)</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>I restarted the httpd daemon (killall -HUP httpd) 
and accessed my site. Same page as before. Am I missing a step?</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>MGL</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ><P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; From: Richard Barrett [<A 
HREF="mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk">mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk</A>]</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: February 6, 2002 12:33 PM</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To: Lafleur Maurice; mailman-users at python.org</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Point directly 
to listinfo</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; At 11:45 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice 
wrote:</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;The list server I am setting up is only 
used for lists. I </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; want the default </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;page from apache to be 
my.server.org/mailman/listinfo </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; directly. I tried to </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;make a symlink between 
/var/www/html/index.html and </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo 
/var/www/html/index.html</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; This will not work as you are trying to link 
a static page to </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; a cgi script. </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; The link is fine but Apache cannot interpret 
this as you want.</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Asdsuming you have mod_rewrite installed, the 
following </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Apache re-write </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; rules will work to &quot;transparently&quot; 
redirect the URI '/' and </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; '/index.html' </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; to the cgi-script</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Whether you will get any knock-on problems 
with the browser </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; interpreting </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; relative links on the pages returned 
incorrectly is another </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; issue. If that </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; happens your may want to use the rewrite 
rules to redirect / </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; and /index.html:</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo 
[R,L]</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I 
browse my server.</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;If I access </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;&lt;<A 
HREF="http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo" 
TARGET="_blank">http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo</A>&gt;<A 
HREF="http://my.server.org/m" 
TARGET="_blank">http://my.server.org/m</A></FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>ailman/listinfo </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;directly it works fine.</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;I know it is something real simple and obvious 
but I can't seem to think </FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;strait today.</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;Thanks</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;MGL</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;--</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;Maurice G. Lafleur&nbsp; 
+------------------------------------------------+</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT 
SIZE=2>&gt;Teacher&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
+ Voice: +1(819).778.2270 
X1412&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
+</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;Heritage College&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; + 
Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp; 
+1(819).776.7364&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
+</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: 
mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
+</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;Hull. 
Qc.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
+------------------------------------------------+</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;Canada</FONT>
  ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;J8Y 6T3</FONT>
  ></P>
  >
  ></BODY>
  ></HTML>
  >------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF47.26790A10--




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Feb  7 11:10:06 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:10:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo
In-Reply-To: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DCD@HERITAGE-SRV-1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020207095933.031453b8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:47 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice wrote:

>Thanks for the suggestion, but I am  not sure of the exact meaning of your 
>solution.
>
>Here's what Ii understand:
>
>I checked my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file and yes it says:
>
>LoadModule rewrite_module     modules/mod_rewrite.so
>
>in the file.
>
>Then I copied the lines you suggest in that file (I placed them right 
>after the ScriptAlias lines)
>I restarted the httpd daemon (killall -HUP httpd) and accessed my site. 
>Same page as before. Am I missing a step?

Looks like your Apache is dynamically loading modules as you have:

LoadModule rewrite_module     modules/mod_rewrite.so

and below that somewhere I'd expect the following line:

AddModule mod_rewrite.c

And you need to add the following lines:

RewriteEngine On
RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]
RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]

I suspect the only thing that was missing was the RewriteEngine On. Add 
that and restart Apache.

>Thanks
>
>MGL
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Barrett 
> [<mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk>mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
> > Sent: February 6, 2002 12:33 PM
> > To: Lafleur Maurice; mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo
> >
> >
> > At 11:45 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice wrote:
> >
> > >The list server I am setting up is only used for lists. I
> > want the default
> > >page from apache to be my.server.org/mailman/listinfo
> > directly. I tried to
> > >make a symlink between /var/www/html/index.html and
> > >/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :
> > >
> > >ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo /var/www/html/index.html
> >
> > This will not work as you are trying to link a static page to
> > a cgi script.
> > The link is fine but Apache cannot interpret this as you want.
> >
> > Asdsuming you have mod_rewrite installed, the following
> > Apache re-write
> > rules will work to "transparently" redirect the URI '/' and
> > '/index.html'
> > to the cgi-script
> >
> > RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]
> > RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]
> >
> > Whether you will get any knock-on problems with the browser
> > interpreting
> > relative links on the pages returned incorrectly is another
> > issue. If that
> > happens your may want to use the rewrite rules to redirect /
> > and /index.html:
> >
> > RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]
> > RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]
> >
> >
> > >but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I browse my server.
> > >
> > >If I access
> > ><<http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo>http://my.server.org/mailman/li 
> stinfo>http://my.server.org/m
>ailman/listinfo
> >directly it works fine.
> >
> >I know it is something real simple and obvious but I can't seem to think
> >strait today.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >MGL
> >--
> >Maurice G. Lafleur  +------------------------------------------------+
> >Teacher             + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412                  +
> >Heritage College    + Fax:   +1(819).776.7364                        +
> >325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca          +
> >Hull. Qc.           +------------------------------------------------+
> >Canada
> >J8Y 6T3




From solignani at solignani.it  Thu Feb  7 12:37:06 2002
From: solignani at solignani.it (Solignani Tiziano)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:37:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send a mail to all subscribers of several list
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPKEKHCJAA.solignani@solignani.it>

	Hello everybody,

	I just subscribed. I installed mailman a month ago and I love it.

	Do you by any chance know I can send a message to all the
subscribers of several lists, avoiding of course duplicates?

	Do I have to build a sort of super-list and subscribe to that super
list the other lists?

	I guess it should be done that way, but before doing messes I would
like to get to know your opinion.

	Thank you very much and have you all a good day.

--- Avv. Tiziano Solignani
via Bonesi n. 15 - Vignola (MO)
tel. 059 76.19.26 - fax 059 77.04.535
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From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Thu Feb  7 14:02:47 2002
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: 07 Feb 2002 10:02:47 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send a mail to all subscribers of several list
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPKEKHCJAA.solignani@solignani.it>
References: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPKEKHCJAA.solignani@solignani.it>
Message-ID: <1013086968.2466.6.camel@julieta>

El jue, 07-02-2002 a las 08:37, Solignani Tiziano escribi?:
> 	Hello everybody,
> 
> 	I just subscribed. I installed mailman a month ago and I love it.
> 
> 	Do you by any chance know I can send a message to all the
> subscribers of several lists, avoiding of course duplicates?

With $PREFIX/bin/list_members you can obtain text files with member
list.  Then a simple   cat * | sort | uniq   of all member files, you
will obtain that you wish.

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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Feb  7 14:27:48 2002
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:27:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests
In-Reply-To: <p04330101b887c02dc5bd@[192.164.0.2]>
References: <E16YaHP-0007VN-00@mail.python.org>
        <p04330101b887c02dc5bd@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <15458.32980.705986.606658@localhost.localdomain>

    marina> Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in
    marina> 2.1?

Sounds like your users have selected so-called "plain text" digests.  If
it's possible for them to use MIME digests, the problem should go away.
Some folks (like those using AOL I think) can't, however.

-- 
Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/)



From sebold at lcms.org  Thu Feb  7 14:32:06 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:32:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] .signature to posts
In-Reply-To: <022301c1af48$593f6ec0$7b008d0a@sc.slr.com> (Clark Cooper's
 message of "Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:56:20 -0500")
References: <022301c1af48$593f6ec0$7b008d0a@sc.slr.com>
Message-ID: <87sn8dmn8p.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

On 24 Shevat 5762, Clark Cooper wrote:

> Is there a way in Mailman to append text to each posts as done with a
> .signature file?

On the web admin interface, go to page "Regular-member (non-digest)
Options" and change the option labeled "Footer added to mail sent to
regular list members".  Is that what you were after?
-- 
Charles Sebold                                      25th of Shevat, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems                http://unix.ois.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***



From solignani at solignani.it  Thu Feb  7 15:47:20 2002
From: solignani at solignani.it (Solignani Tiziano)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:47:20 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] .signature to posts]
Message-ID: <1104.151.42.60.162.1013093240.squirrel@www.solignani.it>

Charles Sebold said:
> On 24 Shevat 5762, Clark Cooper wrote:
>
>> Is there a way in Mailman to append text to each posts as done with a
>> .signature file?
>
> On the web admin interface, go to page "Regular-member (non-digest)
> Options" and change the option labeled "Footer added to mail sent to
> regular list members".  Is that what you were after?
> --
> Charles Sebold                                      25th of Shevat,

BTW how can I add taglines, i.e. random strings picked frpm a text file
where they lies every one on a separate line. ALmost every list manager
has tag lines administration, but I did not find them in mailman...

Cheers,

---- Avv. Tiziano Solignani
via Bonesi n. 15 - Vignola (MO)
tel. 059 76.19.26 - fax 059 77.04.535
mail: solignani at solignani.it
web: http://www.solignani.it
chat: avv_tiziano_solignani at hotmail.com

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-- 

---- Avv. Tiziano Solignani
via Bonesi n. 15 - Vignola (MO)
tel. 059 76.19.26 - fax 059 77.04.535
mail: solignani at solignani.it
web: http://www.solignani.it
chat: avv_tiziano_solignani at hotmail.com

PC Open magazine - www.pcopen.agepe.it
"rarest jewel is a true heart"





From solignani at solignani.it  Thu Feb  7 15:55:12 2002
From: solignani at solignani.it (Solignani Tiziano)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:55:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send a mail to all subscribers of several list
In-Reply-To: <1013086968.2466.6.camel@julieta>
References: <1013086968.2466.6.camel@julieta>
Message-ID: <1116.151.42.60.162.1013093712.squirrel@www.solignani.it>

Rodolfo Pilas said:
> El jue, 07-02-2002 a las 08:37, Solignani Tiziano escribi?:
>> 	Hello everybody,
>>
>> 	I just subscribed. I installed mailman a month ago and I love it.
>>
>> 	Do you by any chance know I can send a message to all the
>> subscribers of several lists, avoiding of course duplicates?
>
> With $PREFIX/bin/list_members you can obtain text files with member
> list.  Then a simple   cat * | sort | uniq   of all member files, you
> will obtain that you wish.

Thanks. And what about building an umbrella list? The way you suggested I
should repeat the whole thing every time I have to send a message to
everyone...

Tiziano





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Feb  7 18:39:01 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:39:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send a mail to all subscribers of several list 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Solignani Tiziano" <solignani@solignani.it> 
   of "Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:37:06 +0100." <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPKEKHCJAA.solignani@solignani.it> 
References: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPKEKHCJAA.solignani@solignani.it> 
Message-ID: <6785.1013103541@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:37:06 +0100 
Solignani Tiziano <solignani at solignani.it> wrote:

> 	Do you by any chance know I can send a message to all the
> subscribers of several lists, avoiding of course duplicates?

This is not currently supported, and additionally, be aware that
some subscribers to the various lists will not only want, but demand
the duplicates and will be upset if they don't receive them.

Why?

The most common reason is that they filter their mail into folders
and if you don't send the duplicates all but one of those folders
ends up without a message.  This can be particularly troublesome if
you read some folders more frequently than others, are trying to
maintain a compleat archive of certain lists, or do automated
processing of list messages.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From gbranch at co.caldwell.nc.us  Thu Feb  7 20:14:48 2002
From: gbranch at co.caldwell.nc.us (Greg Branch)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:14:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't get mailman to send e-mail
Message-ID: <001201c1b00b$b61b5d20$9865fea9@D2N9L311>

It runs and i can set up list andadminister them and when you subscribe the maillog say that is was sent, but it doesn't actually send them. I am running Sendmail. Any help would be appreciated..


Greg Branch
Caldwell County Information Technology
gbranch at co.caldwell.nc.us
828-757-1330
Visit our Website: http://www.co.caldwell.nc.us

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From morgan at hahaha.org  Thu Feb  7 20:32:43 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:32:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Relay access denied
In-Reply-To: <87wuxqp1vt.fsf@hahaha.org> (Morgan Fletcher's message of "Wed,
 06 Feb 2002 16:32:54 -0800")
References: <87wuxqp1vt.fsf@hahaha.org>
Message-ID: <87y9i5f5pg.fsf@hahaha.org>

Morgan Fletcher <morgan at hahaha.org> writes:
> I'm trying to run mailman 2.0.8 on NetBSD 1.5.1 with postfix. When I create
> a list and it tries to send mail to a valid external address (for the list
> owner), postfix doesn't send the message and I see this in maillog:
>
>   Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied

It was a configuration error. Default.py had:

SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

But postfix's main.cf had:

myhostname = mail.ourdomain.com

I needed to set SMTPHOST to 'mail' in mm_cfg.py to make mailman work.

Morgan




From gbranch at co.caldwell.nc.us  Thu Feb  7 20:33:43 2002
From: gbranch at co.caldwell.nc.us (Greg Branch)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:33:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman isn't sending mail out
Message-ID: <002701c1b00e$5a98d240$9865fea9@D2N9L311>

Mailman seems to be working in all aspects except it just will not send e-mail out to subscribers.My qfiles have all the messages in it i guess it just hasn't sent them. Any ideas?
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb  7 21:23:28 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:23:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman isn't sending mail out
References: <002701c1b00e$5a98d240$9865fea9@D2N9L311>
Message-ID: <3C62E23F.192FA67C@pcraft.com>

Greg Branch wrote:

> Mailman seems to be working in all aspects except it just will not
> send e-mail out to subscribers.My qfiles have all the messages in it i
> guess it just hasn't sent them. Any ideas?

    Have you checked your MTA's log files lately?

--
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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Feb  7 21:44:52 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Program for dumping out users passwords...
Message-ID: <015c01c1b018$4ae32b70$0b04010a@JCARNES>

#! /bin/bash
# Script to dump out the text passwords of Mailman users
# Input is a valid Mailman list
#
LIST="`~mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' | \
          grep -iw $1 2>/dev/null |tr [A-Z] [a-z] `"
if [ "xxx$LIST" = "xxx" ]; then
   echo "ERROR: missing valid listname"
   echo "  "
   echo "You must choose a valid Mailman list on this server:"
   ~mailman/bin/list_lists
   echo " "
   echo "ERROR: command aborted!"
   exit 0
fi
#
# Dump the database to text
~mailman/bin/dumpdb ~mailman/lists/$LIST/config.db >/tmp/~mm.$LIST
#
# Isolate the password section of the database
STRT=`grep -n "'passwords': {" /tmp/~mm.$LIST |cut -f1 -d: `
sed -n "$STRT,\$p" /tmp/~mm.$LIST >/tmp/~mm2.$LIST
rm /tmp/~mm.$LIST
#
echo $1":"
for i in `/home/mailman/bin/list_members $LIST `
do
  PASS=`grep -i $i /tmp/~mm2.$LIST |head -1 |cut -f4 "-d'"`
  if [ "xxx$PASS" = "xxx" ]; then PASS="#blank_password#" ; fi
  echo "  "$i "   " $PASS
done
rm /tmp/~mm2.$LIST

# Jon Carnes




From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org  Thu Feb  7 23:01:27 2002
From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:01:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set nomail on gina1380
Message-ID: <H00000c5001bd5f1.1013119286.mail.emm.org@MHS>



From xyllah at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  6 22:14:36 2002
From: xyllah at hotmail.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:14:36 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore
Message-ID: <F60CxLJQHRWT5K5TEOY0000a1c6@hotmail.com>



>From: "Dan Mick" <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Last time I had this problem, I deleted the list, moved it and made a new 
list, and took the old archives and rebuilt them with Mhonarq and put a link 
on the info page to the old archives. FWIW.


>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>
>So you want to "rename a list".  That's not easy.  Barry posted
>a procedure last August for doing this, in message ID
><15227.19242.722021.175539 at anthem.wooz.org>; check out the archives
>for that message, and see if it works for you.  If so, we could
>perhaps add it to the Mailman FAQ.
>
>It may be easier just to dump the subscriber list, create a new
>list, and restore it.  You'll lose user options and archives
>(at least without some extra manual work), but perhaps that's
>acceptable.
>
>The reason you can't just change it is that directories are named
>based on the list name, among other reasons.
>
> > Upon more investigating, I need to change the value of "_internal_name":
> >
> > --------------------
> > root at corvette /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
> > Loading list: jack_domainname.com (unlocked)
> > >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> > jack_domainname.com at domainname.com
> > >>> print m._internal_name
> > jack_domainname.com
> > --------------------
> >
> > However, the following seems to work, but doesn't save permanently:
> >
> > -----------------------
> > root at corvette /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist Jack_domainname.com
> > Loading list: jack_domainname.com (unlocked)
> > >>> m.Lock()
> > >>> print m._internal_name
> > jack_domainname.com
> > >>> m._internal_name = "jack"
> > >>> print m._internal_name
> > jack
> > >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> > Jack at domainame.com
> > >>> m.Save()
> > >>>
> > Unlocking (but not saving) list: jack
> > Finalizing
> > -----------------------
> >
> >  The next time I run the withlist script, the old values are still 
>there.
> >
> > Anyone know how to get that value to save permanently?  I haven't 
>touched
> > python until today, so am limping along.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ryan LeBlanc
> > hosting at analoghosting.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Mick" <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <hosting at analoghosting.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email address datastore
> >
> >
> > > Hint: it's not in a "file" per se; that information is part of the
> > > MailList object, which is stored in the marshal 'config.db' in
> > > the list data directory.
> > >
> > > But surely you can change this with web commands.  Figure out
> > > what you want to change, and there's certainly going to be
> > > a web admin interface to change it (in 90% of cases).
> > >
> > > > I am continuing my work on getting mailman working, and need to 
>figure
> > out
> > > > where some data is stored.  For example:
> > > >
> > > > When I run the following on list Jack_domainname.com:
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------
> > > > root at porsche /home/mailman/bin> python -i withlist 
>Jack_domainname.com
> > > > Loading list: jack_analoghost.com (unlocked)
> > > > >>> print m.GetListEmail()
> > > > Jack at domainname.com
> > > > >>>
> > > > Finalizing
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------------
> > > >
> > > > What file is it pulling that information from?  I can't seem to find 
>it
> > with
> > > > grep in the mailman home dir.  Once I do find it, I need to change 
>it
> > ;o)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for you help
> > > >
> > > > Ryan LeBlanc
> > > > hosting at analoghosting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>


_________________________________________________________________
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From vic.wallace at telus.net  Wed Feb  6 23:28:12 2002
From: vic.wallace at telus.net (wallace)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:28:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing  "On behalf of".
Message-ID: <FJENKODCPBIGKPFCPJJFKEBLCAAA.vic.wallace@telus.net>

Hi All,

Is it possible to remove the "On behalf of" in the 'From' field for a
particular list only.

Thanks,
Victor.





From kc at immolation.net  Thu Feb  7 19:11:41 2002
From: kc at immolation.net (kc)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:11:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe question
Message-ID: <3C62C35D.6000809@immolation.net>

Is there anyway to subcribe  someone automatically to the digested 
lists?   without having a list that is strictly digested?


if you can email me back I would appreciate it.

kc Xmission





From dmassey at korrnet.org  Thu Feb  7 20:09:09 2002
From: dmassey at korrnet.org (David Massey)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Version 1.1 versus 2.07
Message-ID: <NEBBKBPLOLIKHJHIPJEKAEPECOAA.dmassey@korrnet.org>

Hi. KORRnet is a community electronic network based in Knoxville, Tenn. We
have been operating 1.1 for quite sometime. We wish to upgrade to 2.07.
However, I have the following questions:

	1) What's involved in converting the lists & files created in 1.1 over to
2.07?
	2) Does 2.07 allow the list manager or individual subscriber to include the
individual's name as well as the email address? Our list managers complain
that it is hard to keep track of a long list of email addresses without a
full name identifier.
	3) We plan on using Mailman as a community bulletin board for a project
called "One Community, One Book," sponsored by our local library. Everyone
in the county will be encouraged to read the same book and then attend
discussion groups at library branches and bookstores. KORRnet will host the
online discussion using Mailman. (Obvious advantage: you can check into the
archives without receiving the messages but you can opt to receive the
messages).
	The problem is, this project is starting soon. I am not sure we can convert
fast enough. Does 2.07 offer substantial improvements over 1.1 in these
bulletin board type functions?

Any advice would be appreciated.

David Massey
Executive Director
KORRnet (Knoxville-Oak Ridge Regional Network)
865-215-5999
dmassey at korrnet.org





From chris at jazzpiano.com  Fri Feb  8 00:43:13 2002
From: chris at jazzpiano.com (Chris Calabrese)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:43:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Appears as Attachments -- How to change format?
Message-ID: <028f01c1b031$355280d0$1674ea18@dellp4>

When a list member receives a digest, all of the messages in the digest are
separate attachments. This makes it really difficult to read through the
digest--you have to open each message individually, instead of scrolling
through the digest. (I'm using Outlook Express.) It looks like the digests
are multipart messages (and each message has complete headers). I found an
option in the list administrator page to make the digests "plain" or "mime,"
but switching from one to the other has no effect. The server is using qmail
(if that makes any difference).

Is there any way to get digests to appear as one long message in Outlook
Express, instead of each message as an individual attachment?

~ Chris Calabrese





From scott at roadtechsystems.com.au  Fri Feb  8 00:54:06 2002
From: scott at roadtechsystems.com.au (Scott Ragen)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:54:06 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Openmail & Mailman
Message-ID: <NFBBLCDJEKCJCFJNNCAGEELPCJAA.scott@roadtechsystems.com.au>

Hi Mailman Users,
I am trialing openmail on a Linux box, and want to use Mailman as well.
I have installed Mailman, without openmail it works find, but with openmail,
there is a small problem.
I receive an error when trying to send to our list all:
smrsh: wrapper.post.all not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
It seems that with Openmail, if an alias on sendmail has a space (" "), it
throws in a "."
Is there a work around in mailman that I could use?
If necessary I could attach my sendmail.cf file for viewing, and just if you
need to know, Openmail uses Sendmail as a transport agent.

Thanks,

Scott

--
Scott Ragen
Technical Support - Roadtech Systems Ltd
Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294
www.roadtechsystems.com.au





From marina at reliance.it  Fri Feb  8 04:30:56 2002
From: marina at reliance.it (marina)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:30:56 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests
In-Reply-To: <15458.32980.705986.606658@localhost.localdomain>
References: <E16YaHP-0007VN-00@mail.python.org>       
 <p04330101b887c02dc5bd@[192.164.0.2]>
 <15458.32980.705986.606658@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <p04330107b888f372098a@[192.164.0.2]>

Dear Skip,

At 7:27 AM -0600 7/2/02 [dmy], Skip Montanaro wrote about [Subject] 
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
  >    marina> Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in
  >    marina> 2.1?
  >
  >Sounds like your users have selected so-called "plain text" digests.  If
  >it's possible for them to use MIME digests, the problem should go away.
  >Some folks (like those using AOL I think) can't, however.
  >
  >--


Thank you for your suggestion.

I'm not an AOL user, I use Eudora (and have been using it for over 7 
years), and I have changed my digest options to MIME, as suggested - 
but still, I keep getting plain text digests with all the garbage 
that currently comes with them.

I believe I do have some computer expertise, and some members on the 
list have computer science degrees (although they are outnumbered by 
newbies), but still haven't been able to get digests in a readable 
form. How can I expect to be able to explain what to do, to those who 
don't even know what plain text means??

Nearly all the members of our mailing list do not use AOL. The 
problem is not what email program Internet users use. The problem is 
the format of the digests coming from Mailman.

 From what I can gather, because this is not new, this is considered 
to be a low priority problem in the development of the software. 
However, most Internet users coming into contact with Mailman for the 
first time, who happen to select the digest option, experience 
Mailman for being messy and hard to read.

This is not good for promoting the use of Mailman, despite all the 
wonderful things that it does internally - which unfortunately they 
aren't able to appreciate.

We have many people often complaining to us, and wanting to know why 
we don't move to Yahoogroups, which "is much easier to use and read", 
they say. This is the marketing pression we get bombarded with, and 
we would like to know what we can tell them about what's happening in 
the future about this problem, because we really believe that Mailman 
is fundamentally a wonderful product, and we want to see it survive 
and thrive.

Many thanks for your help,

marina
<http://www.soapnaturally.org>



From aaron at 2wrongs.net  Fri Feb  8 05:49:02 2002
From: aaron at 2wrongs.net (aaron)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:49:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner is eating my messages alive
Message-ID: <012b01c1b05b$ee65dc50$969d5c42@partnersintl.net>

I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on FresBSD 4.5-RELEASE with Python 2.1.1 and
Apache 1.3.22...

and qrunner is killing most of the messages that the in the ~/qfiles
directory. a typical log entry from ~/logs/qrunner is:

Feb 07 23:29:17 2002 (16588) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/d44a0095efd6c432087f07eaeef2f37fbb4a2c04.db
Feb 07 23:31:02 2002 (16658) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 07 23:32:02 2002 (16687) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 07 23:32:41 2002 (16652) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ae84a6fb202d6e89c9628aef00c37f033694961e.db
Feb 07 23:34:01 2002 (20606) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/780e56e6a782d380fddb8657e4fa647e6ad45625.db
Feb 07 23:34:01 2002 (20606) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/780e56e6a782d380fddb8657e4fa647e6ad45625.db

and in ~/logs/error i see:

Feb 07 23:40:42 2002 qrunner(20640): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 07 23:40:42 2002 qrunner(20640):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Feb 07 23:40:42 2002 qrunner(20640):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 07 23:40:42 2002 qrunner(20640):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main
Feb 07 23:40:42 2002 qrunner(20640):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Feb 07 23:40:42 2002 qrunner(20640): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory:
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/419298e2e6e9a12ee29a90ac211bef496292350c.db'

so it seems like qrunner is crashing when trying to unlink the files.

the result is that almost no messages are going out over any of my lists.

the strange thing is that all ~/qfiles/*.msg files seem to have
~/qfiles/*.db files... so why does qrunner think the .db files are orphaned?

help?!




From ral at codewan.com.ph  Fri Feb  8 08:13:14 2002
From: ral at codewan.com.ph (Lito A. Lampitoc)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:13:14 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] separate web server
Message-ID: <3C637A8A.94A890E0@codewan.com.ph>

Hi All,

I have two servers that work as http and mail, I already have mailman
already working on my mail server and right now its also running apache.
How am I going to reconfigure my mailman to run on a different web
server and mail server? I have read mailman
documentations but there is no detailed explanation on how to do it. Any
reference you may give or is there anyone on the list kind enough to
give me instruction on how to do it?


Thank you very much in advance.

--
Lito A. Lampitoc
Foundation for Communication Initiatives                phone:+63(2)8941345
CodeWAN Project                                 http://www.codewan.com.ph
--
Things which matter most must not be in the mercy of things which
 matter least" - Goethe.


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From ac at sevencs.com  Fri Feb  8 09:00:25 2002
From: ac at sevencs.com (Andreas Czerniak)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:00:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Program for dumping out users passwords...
In-Reply-To: <015c01c1b018$4ae32b70$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <015c01c1b018$4ae32b70$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <485870000.1013155225@czerny>

Hi,

yep, thanks - a single fix to find 'list_members $LIST':

-- On 07.02.2002 15:44:52 -0500 Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> wrote:

> [...]
> sed -n "$STRT,\$p" /tmp/~mm.$LIST >/tmp/~mm2.$LIST
> rm /tmp/~mm.$LIST
>#
> echo $1":"

> for i in `/home/mailman/bin/list_members $LIST `

> do
>   PASS=`grep -i $i /tmp/~mm2.$LIST |head -1 |cut -f4 "-d'"`
> [...]

change to:

for i in `~mailman/bin/list_members $LIST `


Thx. Andreas.





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Feb  8 11:39:00 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:39:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] separate web server
In-Reply-To: <3C637A8A.94A890E0@codewan.com.ph>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020208095940.02abdc08@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:13 08/02/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I have two servers that work as http and mail, I already have mailman 
>already working on my mail server and right now its also running apache. 
>How am I going to reconfigure my mailman to run on a different web server 
>and mail server? I have read mailman
>documentations but there is no detailed explanation on how to do it. Any 
>reference you may give or is there anyone on the list kind enough to give 
>me instruction on how to do it?

Mailman's INSTALL document contains a hint as to how to split mail 
distribution and web GUI on different machines. It has a couple of comments 
that relate:

<quote>
     ....
     Make sure that you have write permissions to the target
     installation directory, and permission to create a setgid file in
     the file system where it resides (NFS and other mounts can be
     configured to inhibit setgid settings).
     ...
     - If you plan on running your MTA and web server on different
       machines, sharing Mailman installations via NFS, be sure that
       the clocks on those two machines are synchronized closely.  You
       might take a look at the file Mailman/LockFile.py; the constant
       CLOCK_SLOP helps the locking mechanism compensate for clock skew
       in this type of environment.
     ....
</quote>

In other words you need to use some file sharing mechanism so that both the 
mail server and web server can access the Mailman files.

At a basic level all you have to do is:

1. ensure both servers can access the mailman install directory using NFS.

2. ensure the uids and gids are common to both systems.

3. get Mailman working on your mail server.

4. ensure the information in the httpd.conf used by the Apache server 
refers to the mailman file path as it sees it through NFS.

5. adjust as necessary to get it working.

Most of this is straight UNIX admin stuff and what you do in detail depends 
on how your local network is run. For instance:

1. have you already got NFS in use for file sharing on your LAN.

2. are you are using NIS for distributing passwd, group and automount maps.

3. are you using something else for distributing information, LDAP for instance

I'm not trying to palm you off but there are so many variations on how 
networks and sharing/distribution can be set up that a single, simple 
step-by-step guide is more difficult to write than you might imagine.

If you have UNIX guru then I'd discuss the problem with him. Otherwise you 
will need collect the information about how your network is setup and ask 
again if you are still having problems doing it yourself
.

>
>
>Thank you very much in advance.
>--
>Lito A. Lampitoc
>Foundation for Communication Initiatives                phone:+63(2)8941345
>CodeWAN 
>Project 
><http://www.codewan.com.ph>http://www.codewan.com.ph
>--
>Things which matter most must not be in the mercy of things which
>  matter least" - Goethe.
>




From mitol at optushome.com.au  Fri Feb  8 12:08:13 2002
From: mitol at optushome.com.au (Joe Mizzi)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:08:13 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Log Files
Message-ID: <00d401c1b090$fd16e5c0$93f3a4cb@vic.optushome.com.au>

How can i suppress Alert messages from log files?
My logs are getting waaay to big because of an error i know about
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From marina at reliance.it  Fri Feb  8 12:27:04 2002
From: marina at reliance.it (marina)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:27:04 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests
Message-ID: <p04330103b88966826de3@[192.164.0.2]>

At 12:32 AM -0500 8/2/02 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: 
[Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
  >I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
  >heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
  >www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
  >to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
  >soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)
  >

Thanks Delpy. Yes, it is related to users who do not turn off their 
HTML or RTF or other fancy formatting options.

I for one hate and damn the day when somebody thought of adding this 
"feature" to e-mail. Unfortunately, it's now common practice on the 
Internet and we must live with it.

As my example demonstrated, even people on this mailing list 
(inadvertently or not) post their messages in HTML format, and even 
the Mailman distribution used by [Mailman-Users] doesn't use any of 
the patches we cannot use (even if we wanted to).

As you point out, I too have heard rumours that 2.1 may include this 
fix. That would indeed be wonderful news we could convey to our many 
disgruntles members. Does anybody know for sure, is this true or not.

Many thanks,

marina
<http://www.soapnaturally.org>



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  8 13:10:26 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:10:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Log Files
In-Reply-To: <00d401c1b090$fd16e5c0$93f3a4cb@vic.optushome.com.au>
References: <00d401c1b090$fd16e5c0$93f3a4cb@vic.optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <02020807102603.00941@anncons.nc.rr.com>

What is the error?  Is it a Python error/warning, an MTA warning, or one 
directly from Mailman?

When I've had problems like this - mainly warnings about routines being 
deprecated - I've either upgraded to remove the deprecated routines, or 
gone into Python's source code and removed the warning statement (then do a 
"make" and "make install").  I really love OpenSource!

Jon Carnes
===
On Friday 08 February 2002 06:08, Joe Mizzi wrote:
> How can i suppress Alert messages from log files?
> My logs are getting waaay to big because of an error i know about

----------------------------------------
Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Description: 
----------------------------------------



From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Fri Feb  8 13:18:23 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 08 Feb 2002 12:18:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests
In-Reply-To: <p04330103b88966826de3@[192.164.0.2]>
References: <p04330103b88966826de3@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <1013170708.22866.41.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 11:27, marina wrote:
> At 12:32 AM -0500 8/2/02 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: 
> [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests:
>   >I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
>   >heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
>   >www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
>   >to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
>   >soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)

We use the patches to coerce postings to plain text on exim.org.  See
Mailman patch #413752

URL (which will probably break in transit) is:-

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103


	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]




From lcalvin at interaccess.com  Thu Feb  7 13:12:52 2002
From: lcalvin at interaccess.com (Lynn Calvin)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 06:12:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web only
In-Reply-To: <E16YmtM-0002mI-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020207061119.00ab0ce0@pop.interaccess.com>

At 06:39 AM 2/7/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] What do you think of this idea to keep 
>external people from subscribing?
>Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:55:20 -0500
>Organization: HAHT Commerce
>
>Try it, it should work fine.  Your users will be stuck using the web, but
>that's not so bad.

The web  interface is usable but less desirable for persons with limited/no 
vision who use a screen reader, so accessibility could be an issue if it is 
an issue for any of your internal subscribers.

-- 
Lynn Calvin
lcalvin at interaccess.com
listmgr at uua.org (as part of the list management  volunteer team).
Co-Moderator UU-Community Mailing List




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Feb  8 16:26:05 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 08 Feb 2002 16:26:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases and new lists?
In-Reply-To: Michael Styer's message of "Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:14:22 +0000 (GMT)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202051511500.3019-100000@alzirr.codix.net>
Message-ID: <m3u1ssm1v6.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Michael Styer <mas at codix.net> writes:

> If so, can anyone explain what I would need to add to /etc/aliases for
> each list in order to make them function correctly?

My MTA ist Postfix. I have added in main.cf

,----
| alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases.mailman
| alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases.mailman
`----

and /etc/aliases.mailman is

,----
| -rw-rw-r--  1 root  mailman  11227 Feb  8 15:24 /etc/aliases.mailman
`----

When i create a new list, i use

,----
| newlist -o /etc/aliases.mailman ...
`----

This apped the listaliases to the file /etc/aliases.mailman.

The last step ist to rebuild the aliases database with the command
newaliases. Normaly only root can execute newaliases. But with sudo,
mailman also can execute this.

,----[ /etc/sudoers ]
| mailman mailman=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/newaliases
`----

Thats my way.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Feb  8 16:31:30 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 08 Feb 2002 16:31:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce only list?
In-Reply-To: Molly Cliborne's message of "Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:50:03 -0500"
References: <B8869EBA.FFFB%molly11@cstone.net>
Message-ID: <m3pu3gm1m5.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Molly Cliborne <molly11 at cstone.net> writes:

> I'm new to Mailman and would like to know if it's possible to create
> read-only announcement type list using this software.

Yes.

Privacy Options -> Must post be approved by an administrator?  [ ] No [X] Yes


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Feb  8 16:47:09 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 08 Feb 2002 16:47:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up a 'read-only' list
In-Reply-To: "Proffitt, David"'s message of "Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:40:01 -0000"
References: <C581C881C57FD3119FFD00204840156407B58308@POST1>
Message-ID: <m3lme4m0w2.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Proffitt, David" <David.Proffitt at itn.co.uk> writes:

> I need to set up an 'announcement' type list
> 
> I need to guarantee (if this is possible) that *only* the list admin can
> post
> 
> Is there a standard way of doing this?
> 
> I've flagged the list as moderated and restricted access to the admin pages
> to the local network (in the apache config)

Privacy Options

Must post be approved ...   [ ] No  [X] Yes

Addresses of members accepted
for posting to this list without     address.they.can.post.without.approved at server.tld
implicit approval requirement.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.



From gbranch at co.caldwell.nc.us  Fri Feb  8 17:06:57 2002
From: gbranch at co.caldwell.nc.us (Greg Branch)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:06:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Behind a firewall help
Message-ID: <014301c1b0ba$a27bc2f0$9865fea9@D2N9L311>

I can get sendmail to work behind firewall, I can get mailman to work behind firewall, but not them both. It all works fine out from behind it. The part that is not happening behind the firewall is sending the messages to the list members, they are all staying in the qfiles. Any ideas, thanks
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From camel at lrllamas.com  Fri Feb  8 18:07:38 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:07:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digests wouldn'd send
Message-ID: <20020208170738.67D188003@camel.lrllamas.com>

First time I've ever seen this message..
Anyone know what might cause it?

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
From: root (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/www/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/www/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/var/www/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 46, in send_list_digest
    mlist.Lock()
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 224, in lock
    self.__touch()
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 370, in __touch
    os.utime(filename or self.__tmpfname, (t, t))
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted:
 '/var/www/mailman/locks/camelid.lock.camel.lrllamas.com.3602'

-------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Jay S. Curtis



From valites at geneseo.edu  Fri Feb  8 19:21:02 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] backing up pending administrative requests
Message-ID: <9BEF7486-1CC0-11D6-B386-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

I finally have a solution to my fried config.db problem.  While I could 
copy the config.dbs & relevant files to another machine & make it work, 
I copying them to a new install on the same machine didn't buy me 
anything.

So the solution is basically: foreach list in old install, make a new 
list  with the new install, feed config_list -o from old install into 
config_list -i for new install, and copy archives/private/list_name* 
over.  Out of the current ~500 or so lists, I have around 6 that have 
pending administrative requests.  I can get info out of a dump of 
request.db, but I'm not sure what it means, and what will break if I 
don't treat them differently from the ones without pending requests.  
Where is the info mentioned from the request.db kept & what do I need to 
do with it?

Since htdig is compiling without too much pain, I also plan to integrate 
Richard Barrett's mailman-htdig patch into the new install.

Any heads ups before I roll this whole thing next weekend?

 >--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
716-245-5577
716-259-3471(Cell)




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  8 20:03:34 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:03:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] backing up pending administrative requests
In-Reply-To: <9BEF7486-1CC0-11D6-B386-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>
References: <9BEF7486-1CC0-11D6-B386-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <02020814033404.00940@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> Out of the current ~500 or so lists, I have around 6 that have
> pending administrative requests.  I can get info out of a dump of
> request.db, but I'm not sure what it means, and what will break if I
> don't treat them differently from the ones without pending requests.
> Where is the info mentioned from the request.db kept & what do I need to
> do with it?

You can ignore the pending requests if you like, but you will have to copy 
a blank one into the new lists (or use the blank one that is already there).

The pending requests are either folks wanting to subscribe to the list or 
messages waiting to be approved.  If they are messages waiting to be 
approved, you will find copies in the old ~mailman/data directory.  Read 
the files in there, and if something is worth passing on, simply drop a 
note to the sender of the message telling them to re-submit as the mail was 
not delivered properly.

Good Luck with the setup.

Jon Carnes



From jas at nysia.org  Fri Feb  8 20:56:15 2002
From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder S. Hayre)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:56:15 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] having specific email addresses in the To: field
Message-ID: <5192C0BB8100D211B52C0000C0D86F01224266@msp01.nysia.org>

Hi guys.  Anybody know if any of the future releases will be able to put the
actual email address of the recipient in the To: field instead of just
having the lists email address.   I don't believe this is possible in the
current stable version.

Jas




From abwatson at mail.arc.nasa.gov  Fri Feb  8 21:05:50 2002
From: abwatson at mail.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Watson)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:05:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing message headers
Message-ID: <p0510030fb889ddf35792@[143.232.72.120]>

No doubt a common newbie question, but is there a way to remove some 
of the headers from each message sent from my list? I refer to the 
stuff like this:

At 2:33 PM -0500 2/8/02, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>X-No-Archive: yes
>X-Ack: no
>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 (101270)
>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

I realize some of this may be necessary to proper function 
(X-BeenThere?) but some is clearly not.

-Andrew



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Feb  8 21:07:56 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:07:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests 
In-Reply-To: Message from marina <marina@reliance.it> 
   of "Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:30:56 +1100." <p04330107b888f372098a@[192.164.0.2]> 
References: <E16YaHP-0007VN-00@mail.python.org> <p04330101b887c02dc5bd@[192.164.0.2]> <15458.32980.705986.606658@localhost.localdomain>  <p04330107b888f372098a@[192.164.0.2]> 
Message-ID: <30205.1013198876@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:30:56 +1100 
marina  <marina at reliance.it> wrote:

> I'm not an AOL user, I use Eudora (and have been using it for over
> 7 years), and I have changed my digest options to MIME, as
> suggested - but still, I keep getting plain text digests with all
> the garbage that currently comes with them.

This is a problem with either your Mailman installation, or your
account.  Its not a problem with Mailman per se as Mailman is quite
capable of emitting both RFC 1153 and MIME digests to different
users as per their config (I do this with my lists).  The correct
address at this point is finding out why your changes in account
configuration (in regard to digests) are not taking effect, and
fixing that.

How to find out what's wrong will mostly involve digging around in
your log files, examining your Mailman configs, and watching
Mailman's operation across a digest run.  Somewhere in there
something is going wrong due to some error, (mis)configuration or
other oddity on your site.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb  8 21:32:38 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:32:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing message headers
In-Reply-To: <p0510030fb889ddf35792@[143.232.72.120]>
References: <p0510030fb889ddf35792@[143.232.72.120]>
Message-ID: <02020815323807.00940@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Friday 08 February 2002 15:05, Andrew Watson wrote:
> No doubt a common newbie question, but is there a way to remove some
> of the headers from each message sent from my list? I refer to the
> stuff like this:
>
> At 2:33 PM -0500 2/8/02, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> >X-No-Archive: yes
> >X-Ack: no
> >Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> >X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
> >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 (101270)
> >List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
> >List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
> >List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> >	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
> >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users
> > <mailman-users.python.org> List-Unsubscribe:
> > <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> > <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> >List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>
> I realize some of this may be necessary to proper function
> (X-BeenThere?) but some is clearly not.
>
> -Andrew
>



Its quite easy to do.  You edit one file - please backup the file before 
you edit it!:
  ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

  headers = {
      'List-Id'         : listid,
      'List-Help'       : '<mailto:%s?subject=help>' % requestaddr,
      'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
      'List-Subscribe'  : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
      'List-Post'       : '<mailto:%s>' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
      }


Feel free to delete any of the lines inside the "headers" clause, but I 
would recommend that you leave 'List-Id'.

BTW: I strongly feel that this should be in the FAQ, even though I fully 
agree that the problem is with the Mail client (the MUA) and not with 
Mailman.

Jon Carnes



From sebold at lcms.org  Fri Feb  8 22:27:59 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:27:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] goodbye_msg problem?
Message-ID: <878za3mzog.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

When one of our lists has the following as goodbye_msg, it breaks the
unsubscribe message.  Some of the headers are inserted _after_ the
goodbye message.  Any ideas?  Running Debian's Mailman 2.0.8 from
woody.

This is from the list config:

goodbye_msg ="""Goodbye, sorry to see you leave! 
NOTE: If you have unsubscribed in order to change your e-mail address please go to: http://lists.lcms.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/this-list and enter your new e-mail address.

Thank you"""

And this is what the message looks like:

X-From-Line: this-list-admin at lists.lcms.org  Fri Feb 08 14:48:02 2002
Return-path: <this-list-admin at lists.lcms.org>
Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lcms.org (PMDF V5.2-32 #40908)
 id <01KE1A5LIJW08XD5RQ at lcms.org> for sebold at lcms.org
 (ORCPT rfc822;sebold at lcms.org); Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:52:02 CST
Received: from rf4.cuis.edu ([66.99.8.16]) by lcms.org (PMDF V5.2-32 #40908)
 with ESMTP id <01KE1A5KKKRC9ARGO3 at lcms.org> for sebold at lcms.org
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Fri Feb  8 22:51:46 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:51:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What do you think of this idea to keep external people from subscribing?
In-Reply-To: <021101c1af61$5a904f60$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <200202060206.g1626jb18200@lenin.anticlockwise.com> <021101c1af61$5a904f60$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020208215145.GI21505@merlins.org>

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 05:55:20PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Try it, it should work fine.  Your users will be stuck using the web, but
> that's not so bad.

Just for info, that's what I've done at my company for the last 2.5Y :-)

I want them to  use the authenticated web interface to be *really* sure it's
them.

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Fri Feb  8 23:15:58 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:15:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digests wouldn'd send
In-Reply-To: <20020208170738.67D188003@camel.lrllamas.com>
References: <20020208170738.67D188003@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <20020208221558.GL21505@merlins.org>

On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 12:07:38PM -0500, Jay S Curtis wrote:
> First time I've ever seen this message..
> Anyone know what might cause it?
> 
> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
> From: root (Cron Daemon)
> To: mailman
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/var/www/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/var/www/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
>     send_list_digest(mlist)
>   File "/var/www/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 46, in send_list_digest
>     mlist.Lock()
>   File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock
>     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>   File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 224, in lock
>     self.__touch()
>   File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 370, in __touch
>     os.utime(filename or self.__tmpfname, (t, t))
> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted:
>  '/var/www/mailman/locks/camelid.lock.camel.lrllamas.com.3602'

1) Make sure your permissions are right (~mailman/check_perms -f

2) If you run linux with restricted hardlinks and/or grsecurity, check
   the README.linux file

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From morgan at hahaha.org  Sat Feb  9 04:00:34 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:00:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
Message-ID: <878za3tl4d.fsf@hahaha.org>

I'm switching a 1700-person mailing list from majordomo to mailman. I like
mailman a lot, so far, so does the list admin. But there's one thing
missing: The ability to differentiate between and filter out HTML/RTF
messages and MIME attachments. Our list's policy is: no HTML, no
attachments. With majordomo we had long taboo_body and taboo_headers lists
containing things like this:

  /Content-Type: text\/html/

Is there a way with Mailman 2.0.8 to filter out HTML and attachments,
per-list?

The closest thing I could find to it was this patch, which washes all
messages to ASCII text, as far as I can tell.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103&func=detail&aid=413752

Is this patch the only solution? Any caveats that I should know about, WRT
the patch?

Thanks,

Morgan



From alex at phred.org  Sat Feb  9 05:35:59 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:35:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
In-Reply-To: <878za3tl4d.fsf@hahaha.org>
Message-ID: <20020208203340.L53232-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
> With majordomo we had long taboo_body and taboo_headers lists
> containing things like this:
>
>   /Content-Type: text\/html/
>
> Is there a way with Mailman 2.0.8 to filter out HTML and attachments,
> per-list?

Look at the privacy page (under list admin) for "Hold posts with..."

> The closest thing I could find to it was this patch, which washes all
> messages to ASCII text, as far as I can tell.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103&func=detail&aid=413752

There are also two perl-based solutions that can be installed in front
of Mailman or Majordomo.  I wrote one of them
(http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html -- it also links to DEMIME,
the other option) and have been using it for almost two years on my
lists.

alex




From lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com  Sat Feb  9 08:39:54 2002
From: lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com (Larry Hansford)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 02:39:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't Add Lists After Upgrade
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020209022840.03aa8880@64.65.196.198>

I was running Red Hat 7.0, Postfix, and Mailman 2.0.6, and have been 
running with that setup since 2.0.6 was released.

I upgraded the server to Red Hat 7.2, but did not change anything 
else.  After the upgrade, all of the exists lists continued to 
work.  However, I could no longer add new lists.  If I issue a 
/home/mailmain/bin/newlist command, it accepts the new list name, e-mail 
address, and password, and then hangs while attempting to create the 
list.  After a period of time waiting, if I abort the creation process and 
check the status, I find that it created the directory for the list under 
/home/mailman/lists but did not create any files in the directory.

I downloaded Mailman 2.0.8 and ran "make install".  After the install I ran 
the check_perms and it did not report any errors.  All of the existing 
lists continue to function, including allowing me to access the admin pages 
with the web browser.  But, I still cannot create a new list.

Are there other configuration changes I need to make with this install?

Thanks!

Larry




From jhankins at hankinsbay.com  Sat Feb  9 20:21:19 2002
From: jhankins at hankinsbay.com (Jim Hankins)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:21:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble with reply-to option
Message-ID: <014801c1b19e$f4558900$0601a8c0@hankinsbay.net>

I'm trying to set up a mail list so that when a user replies to a post, it goes to whole list but no matter what I use for the reply to option ie

Poster (default)
This list
or explicit address (and put the specific address in the next line) the reply to always ends up being the original sender.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Running under Rhat Linux 7.2

runninging mailman-2.0.8


Thanks!


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From jhankins at hankinsbay.com  Sat Feb  9 20:27:25 2002
From: jhankins at hankinsbay.com (Jim Hankins)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist and aliases integration
Message-ID: <015701c1b19f$ce5be590$0601a8c0@hankinsbay.net>

When you create a newlist with the newlist cmd, is it supposed to automatically update the aliases file?  I noticed it didn't and I set the new list name as an alias and pointed it to the mailman user. Is this correct?

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From fball at franciscans.com  Fri Feb  8 20:34:57 2002
From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:34:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
In-Reply-To: <20020208203340.L53232-100000@phred.org>
References: <878za3tl4d.fsf@hahaha.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020208133402.00aefeb8@mail.jfredball.com>

At 08:35 PM 2/8/2002 -0800, alex wetmore wrote:

> > Is there a way with Mailman 2.0.8 to filter out HTML and attachments,
> > per-list?
>
>Look at the privacy page (under list admin) for "Hold posts with..."

I want to look at your solution, but in the meantime, what could be placed 
in the "Hold posts with" area to stop HTML and attachments??




From douglas at gpc.peachnet.edu  Sat Feb  9 22:04:25 2002
From: douglas at gpc.peachnet.edu (Douglas B. Jones)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:04:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] converting archives from listproc to mailman
Message-ID: <008301c1b1ad$5afaa9c0$0101a8c0@gpc.peachnet.edu>

Hi,

Is there a script already written that would automatically
convert listproc archives to mailman ones? Also, are mailman
archives searchable?

Thanks,
Cheers,
Douglas



From jhankins at hankinsbay.com  Sat Feb  9 22:54:21 2002
From: jhankins at hankinsbay.com (Jim Hankins)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:54:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject line prepend option not working
Message-ID: <018d01c1b1b4$54e30bc0$0601a8c0@hankinsbay.net>

I've noticed that my subject line prepend option for the lists are not
working.  In fact it seems the only thing that does work is the emails get
distributed to the users, other options such as reply to etc are not
working, the reply to goes straight to the user.  Any help would be greatly
appeciated.!





From mas at codix.net  Sun Feb 10 00:18:41 2002
From: mas at codix.net (Michael Styer)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:18:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist and aliases integration
In-Reply-To: <015701c1b19f$ce5be590$0601a8c0@hankinsbay.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202092312320.32138-100000@rigel.codix.net>

On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Jim Hankins wrote:

> When you create a newlist with the newlist cmd, is it supposed to
> automatically update the aliases file?  I noticed it didn't and I set
> the new list name as an alias and pointed it to the mailman user. Is
> this correct?

Hi Jim,

I've just had a variation on this question very helpfully answered by this
list; look in this month's archives for '/etc/aliases'. The short answer
is that newlist prints to sdout what should be appended to /etc/aliases,
and if called with the '-o <filename>' option also appends it to that
file, which suggests that you should really be calling 
'newlist -o /etc/aliases <listname>' etc. to get it to do the right thing. 

Check out the archived thread and e-mail me if you have more questions.

-mas

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fax: 020 7603 2504	London W6 7LP




From Elena at rlindsay.net  Sat Feb  9 23:17:53 2002
From: Elena at rlindsay.net (Elena)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:17:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation of Mailman on dedicated server...
In-Reply-To: <20020208203340.L53232-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLDGGMNMDINLKJPNAIEFLGJAA.Elena@rlindsay.net>

I was just recently told by my web host that I needed to obtain a dedicated
server due to too much traffic in my site.  In the process I find out that
now I have enough room to run my two mailing lists of my customers.
However, I have NO IDEA how to install this program and getting it to run
properly.

Is there anyone in this list that would be willing to help me with this?
I've spoken with my web host but they don't seem to be too interested in
getting paid to do this.

Any help would be appreciated.  I only need it installed and running, I will
maintain it.  Thanks.

Renae




From Brian.J.Watson at compaq.com  Fri Feb  8 00:18:23 2002
From: Brian.J.Watson at compaq.com (Brian J. Watson)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 15:18:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking multi-part messages with HTML
Message-ID: <3C630B3F.170CF00A@compaq.com>

For the lists that I manage on SourceForge, I would like to block all
emails with 'content-type: text/html'. This would significantly reduce
the amount of spam that appear on my lists. I've added that expression
to the bounce_matching_header (privacy) option, and it seems to block
message that contain just HTML. For multi-part messages, however, it
doesn't seem to recognize that a message contains a text/html part, and
merrily lets it through.

Is there a way to block multi-part messages that have a text/html part?
The version of Mailman used by SourceForge is 2.0.5.

Thanks.

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From delpy at sover.net  Fri Feb  8 06:32:47 2002
From: delpy at sover.net (Delpy)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:32:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests
References: <E16YaHP-0007VN-00@mail.python.org> <p04330101b887c02dc5bd@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <010901c1b062$0e434de0$6601a8c0@sanmik.com>

I think this may have something to do with HTML posts to the lists. I've
heard filtering for this will be an option in 2.1. In the interim,
www.exim.org (the MTA I'm using w/OpenBSD 2.9) uses Mailman 2.08 and manages
to ship decent digests. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the secret... As
soon as I get a round-to-it, I'll ask ;)


----- Original Message -----
From: "marina" <marina at reliance.it>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:03 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML formatting in digests


> Will the formatting of email messages in digests be fixed in 2.1?
>
> The reason I'm asking is that, even though I do have access to a
> competent Python programmer, we manage a large mailing list on a
> server that we do not have admin access to. We get daily complaints
> from Internet users about the formatting of the digests.
>
> For those who have never seen this digest problem, I include an
> excerpt from yesterday's digest for the Mailman-user group (no
> criticism of the poster, btw - this is a common problem).
>
> Thanks,
>
> marina
> <http://www.soapnaturally.org>
>
>
> [snip]
>   >
>   >------_=_NextPart_001_01C1AF47.26790A10
>   >Content-Type: text/html;
>   > charset="iso-8859-1"
>   >
>   ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
>   ><HTML>
>   ><HEAD>
>   ><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1">
>   ><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version
5.5.2653.12">
>   ><TITLE>RE: [Mailman-Users] Point directly to listinfo</TITLE>
>   ></HEAD>
>   ><BODY>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks for the suggestion, but I am&nbsp; not sure
> of the exact meaning of your solution.</FONT>
>   ></P>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Here's what Ii understand:</FONT>
>   ></P>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>I checked my /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file and
> yes it says:</FONT>
>   ></P>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>LoadModule rewrite_module&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> modules/mod_rewrite.so</FONT>
>   ></P>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>in the file.</FONT>
>   ></P>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Then I copied the lines you suggest in that file (I
> placed them right after the ScriptAlias lines)</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>I restarted the httpd daemon (killall -HUP httpd)
> and accessed my site. Same page as before. Am I missing a step?</FONT>
>   ></P>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks</FONT>
>   ></P>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>MGL</FONT>
>   ></P>
>   >
>   ><P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; From: Richard Barrett [<A
> HREF="mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk">mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk</A>]</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Sent: February 6, 2002 12:33 PM</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; To: Lafleur Maurice;
mailman-users at python.org</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Point directly
> to listinfo</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; At 11:45 06/02/2002 -0500, Lafleur Maurice
> wrote:</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;The list server I am setting up is only
> used for lists. I </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; want the default </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;page from apache to be
> my.server.org/mailman/listinfo </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; directly. I tried to </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;make a symlink between
> /var/www/html/index.html and </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;/home/mailmna/cgi-bin/listinfo :</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;ln -s /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> /var/www/html/index.html</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; This will not work as you are trying to link
> a static page to </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; a cgi script. </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; The link is fine but Apache cannot interpret
> this as you want.</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Asdsuming you have mod_rewrite installed, the
> following </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Apache re-write </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; rules will work to &quot;transparently&quot;
> redirect the URI '/' and </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; '/index.html' </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; to the cgi-script</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [PT]</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo
[PT]</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Whether you will get any knock-on problems
> with the browser </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; interpreting </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; relative links on the pages returned
> incorrectly is another </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; issue. If that </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; happens your may want to use the rewrite
> rules to redirect / </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; and /index.html:</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RewriteRule ^/$ /mailman/listinfo [R,L]</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; RewriteRule ^/index.html$ /mailman/listinfo
> [R,L]</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;but I get a Mailman CGI error page when I
> browse my server.</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;If I access </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt;&lt;<A
> HREF="http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo"
> TARGET="_blank">http://my.server.org/mailman/listinfo</A>&gt;<A
> HREF="http://my.server.org/m"
> TARGET="_blank">http://my.server.org/m</A></FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>ailman/listinfo </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;directly it works fine.</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;I know it is something real simple and obvious
> but I can't seem to think </FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;strait today.</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;Thanks</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;MGL</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;--</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;Maurice G. Lafleur&nbsp;
> +------------------------------------------------+</FONT>
>   ><BR><FONT
>
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> Qc.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From delpy at sover.net  Sat Feb  9 05:42:32 2002
From: delpy at sover.net (Delpy)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:42:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
References: <878za3tl4d.fsf@hahaha.org>
Message-ID: <004a01c1b124$30e186b0$6601a8c0@sanmik.com>

There are other solutions but this seem the best - until 2.1 ;) Caveats are
explained in the patch. I got taken for a ride immediately by applying the
patch to the working directory (don't do that). What needs to be done in the
*install* directory is make clean, apply the patch, ./configure [your
options], make install. After this, at
http://your.list.server/mailman/admin/yourlist/general , you'll find an
option entitled:
"Convert all mail to the list into plain text format?"

Thanks to Nigel Metheringham for pointing out the patch.

Cheers!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Morgan Fletcher" <morgan at hahaha.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Cc: "Herb Peyerl" <hpeyerl at beer.org>; "Gary Bjork" <gbjork at d-web.com>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:00 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list


> I'm switching a 1700-person mailing list from majordomo to mailman. I like
> mailman a lot, so far, so does the list admin. But there's one thing
> missing: The ability to differentiate between and filter out HTML/RTF
> messages and MIME attachments. Our list's policy is: no HTML, no
> attachments. With majordomo we had long taboo_body and taboo_headers lists
> containing things like this:
>
>   /Content-Type: text\/html/
>
> Is there a way with Mailman 2.0.8 to filter out HTML and attachments,
> per-list?
>
> The closest thing I could find to it was this patch, which washes all
> messages to ASCII text, as far as I can tell.
>
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103&func=detail&aid=413
752
>
> Is this patch the only solution? Any caveats that I should know about, WRT
> the patch?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Morgan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From abwatson at mindspring.com  Sat Feb  9 07:13:32 2002
From: abwatson at mindspring.com (Andrew Watson)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:13:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird "@" treatment
Message-ID: <p05100302b88a6cd4b7d6@[10.0.1.2]>

I subscribe to my own list e.g. "mylist" at abc.com with the name 
e.g. sam at abc.com.
In the welcome message, the subscriber page is given as

   http://www.abc.com/mailman/options/mylist/sam%40abc.com

The heading on that page is:

mylist Configuration for sam at abc.com

Eevrything works fine.
But why is the "@" symbol being interpreted this way and can it be suppressed?

-Andrew
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From silvestri at stcc.mass.edu  Sun Feb 10 00:33:11 2002
From: silvestri at stcc.mass.edu (Tony Silvestri)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:33:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing Installation Instructions?
Message-ID: <001701c1b1c2$24592bc0$0401a8c0@stccmass.org>

In this page:  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-start.html  it mentions

"Mailman is configured using the standard GNU autoconf software. You first need to prepare your system as outlined in the sections below, and then configure and install the Mailman software."

Well there isn't any sections.  Can you provide some setup info?

Thanks
Tony

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb 10 04:14:10 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:14:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing Installation Instructions?
In-Reply-To: <001701c1b1c2$24592bc0$0401a8c0@stccmass.org>
References: <001701c1b1c2$24592bc0$0401a8c0@stccmass.org>
Message-ID: <02020922141002.00944@anncons.nc.rr.com>

If you have downloaded the source via tarball then expand the source:
  tar -xzf mailman-2.0.8.tar.gz

This will create a sub-directory and populate it with the source code.
Move to this directory and read the file INSTALL...

Basicly it tells you to find the GID's for the Web server and for the Mail 
server.  If they are standard (web GID=nobody, mail GID=mail) then run:
   ./configure 
If they are non-standard, then you will have to include them as options of 
the ./configure command.
Next, run:
  make install

There is no need to run a "make" first (to compile the executables).  Each 
script is compiled automagically the first time it is run.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

=== 
On Saturday 09 February 2002 18:33, Tony Silvestri wrote:
> In this page:  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-start.html  it
> mentions
>
> "Mailman is configured using the standard GNU autoconf software. You
> first need to prepare your system as outlined in the sections below, and
> then configure and install the Mailman software."
>
> Well there isn't any sections.  Can you provide some setup info?
>
> Thanks
> Tony

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From esper at sherohman.org  Sun Feb 10 16:19:39 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:19:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird "@" treatment
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b88a6cd4b7d6@[10.0.1.2]>; from abwatson@mindspring.com on Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:13:32PM -0800
References: <p05100302b88a6cd4b7d6@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20020210091939.A2358@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 10:13:32PM -0800, Andrew Watson wrote:
> I subscribe to my own list e.g. "mylist" at abc.com with the name 
> e.g. sam at abc.com.
> In the welcome message, the subscriber page is given as
> 
>    http://www.abc.com/mailman/options/mylist/sam%40abc.com

%40 = character ASCII 40 (hex)/64 (decimal) = @

> The heading on that page is:
> 
> mylist Configuration for sam at abc.com
> 
> Eevrything works fine.

Yep.

> But why is the "@" symbol being interpreted this way

Probably because the option "Show member addrs so they're not
directly recognizable as email addrs?" on the Privacy Options page is
turned on.

> and can it be suppressed?

Yes, by turning that option off, assuming that you're the list
administrator.  But be aware that, if you do so, your list archive will
become more susceptible to address harvesters and your subscribers may
receive more spam as a result.

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss



From mj at percomp.de  Sun Feb 10 16:27:31 2002
From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:27:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Malformed subjects
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020210162626.00c304e0@127.0.0.1>

Hi,

What script is handling the subject of a mail that has been sent to a list 
and places the [<list>]?

Reg.
Matthias J?nichen




From houghi at houghi.org  Sun Feb 10 17:13:56 2002
From: houghi at houghi.org (houghi)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:13:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache configuration
Message-ID: <20020210171356.A32463@pizza>

I seem to have problems to get the link between Apache and Mailman
running. I did the instaltion with SuSE 7.3 with yast and followed all the
instuctions given in the INSTALL. (Or so I think) I am able to make a new
list, delete the list. But I am not able to surf to the page mentioned in
the email.

I kan not find the directory /admin/test anywhere (as in http://pizza.houghi/admin/test) or /listinfo/test

I added the following to /etc/httpd/httpd.conf
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/lib/mailman/archives/public/
and
ScriptAlias /mailman/  "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"

I have rebooted apache

I then get: The requested URL /admin/test was not found on this server.
I think this is very normal, as I did not point anything to the directory
where 'admin/test' or 'listinfo/test' should be.

Can anybody explain me what I have done wrong, have forgoten or what extra
info you might need.

houghi
-- 
Ass, n.:
	The masculine of "lass".



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb 10 17:41:50 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:41:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache configuration
In-Reply-To: <20020210171356.A32463@pizza>
References: <20020210171356.A32463@pizza>
Message-ID: <048004941160a22FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

The script alias you added was "mailman" so you should go to your base 
install and /mailman/...
  http://pizza.houghi/mailman/admin/test
  http://pizza.houghi/mailman/listinfo

All scripts are accessed via your "mailman" script-alias. The same is true of 
the archive cgi's which you access using the "pipermail" script-alias that 
you also added.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
(running the new Mandrake 8.2 Beta, and loving it!)

On Sunday 10 February 2002 11:13 am, houghi wrote:
> I seem to have problems to get the link between Apache and Mailman
> running. I did the instaltion with SuSE 7.3 with yast and followed all the
> instuctions given in the INSTALL. (Or so I think) I am able to make a new
> list, delete the list. But I am not able to surf to the page mentioned in
> the email.
>
> I kan not find the directory /admin/test anywhere (as in
> http://pizza.houghi/admin/test) or /listinfo/test
>
> I added the following to /etc/httpd/httpd.conf
> Alias /pipermail/ /usr/lib/mailman/archives/public/
> and
> ScriptAlias /mailman/  "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
> I have rebooted apache
>
> I then get: The requested URL /admin/test was not found on this server.
> I think this is very normal, as I did not point anything to the directory
> where 'admin/test' or 'listinfo/test' should be.
>
> Can anybody explain me what I have done wrong, have forgoten or what extra
> info you might need.
>
> houghi



From houghi at houghi.org  Sun Feb 10 19:28:18 2002
From: houghi at houghi.org (houghi)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:28:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache configuration
In-Reply-To: <048004941160a22FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>
References: <20020210171356.A32463@pizza> <048004941160a22FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20020210192818.A22033@pizza>

On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 11:41:50AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> The script alias you added was "mailman" so you should go to your base 
> install and /mailman/...
>   http://pizza.houghi/mailman/admin/test
>   http://pizza.houghi/mailman/listinfo
> 
> All scripts are accessed via your "mailman" script-alias. The same is true of 
> the archive cgi's which you access using the "pipermail" script-alias that 
> you also added.

All I had to do was change DEFAULT_URL in Mailman/mm_cfg.py. Thanks for
pointing me in the right direction.

Now the real fun can start with the internal mailinglist.

houghi
-- 
Earn cash in your spare time -- blackmail your friends



From jerry at gaberts.com  Sun Feb 10 20:08:01 2002
From: jerry at gaberts.com (Jerry Gabert)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:08:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Unsubscribe jerry@gaberts.com
In-Reply-To: <20020210091939.A2358@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <001a01c1b266$42b5bee0$6501a8c0@oemcomputer>





From mike at netlyncs.com  Sun Feb 10 21:54:32 2002
From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:54:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email admin options
Message-ID: <006601c1b275$26d733c0$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com>

Do all admin functions have to be done via web?  Or can an admin do things
via email, like approve emails/subscriptions and the like?  Is there a
document on this somewhere?  I can't seem to find any help on it.

Thanks,

Mike Chambers
Madisonville, KY
Netlyncs




From autosort at subdimension.com  Sun Feb 10 22:11:55 2002
From: autosort at subdimension.com (Ben Franske)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:11:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1
Message-ID: <000601c1b277$91bb2d20$15780d90@btoshiba>

Any recent timeframe on betas or final, are we still looking at the end
of Q1 2002 for a final 2.1 release? I patiently await the new features,
especially finally getting rid of subscriber passwords for unsubscribes.

Thanks,
Ben




From morgan at hahaha.org  Sun Feb 10 22:55:43 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:55:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
In-Reply-To: <20020208203340.L53232-100000@phred.org> (alex wetmore's
 message of "Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:35:59 -0800 (PST)")
References: <20020208203340.L53232-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <874rkp6ly8.fsf@hahaha.org>

alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> writes:
>> Is there a way with Mailman 2.0.8 to filter out HTML and attachments,
>> per-list?
>
> Look at the privacy page (under list admin) for "Hold posts with..."

A lot of the mail encoded with HTML doesn't have anything in the header
warning you the contents are HTML.

I just looked at a message written by a user, using "Microsoft Outlook
Express 6.00.2600.0000", and there's nothing in the header suggesting HTML
is used. The message is formatted with HTML, however.

> There are also two perl-based solutions that can be installed in front
> of Mailman or Majordomo.  I wrote one of them
> (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html -- it also links to DEMIME,
> the other option) and have been using it for almost two years on my
> lists.

Thanks, I'll check them out!

morgan





From alex at phred.org  Sun Feb 10 23:28:55 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:28:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
In-Reply-To: <874rkp6ly8.fsf@hahaha.org>
Message-ID: <20020210142818.K53232-100000@phred.org>

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
> alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> writes:
> >> Is there a way with Mailman 2.0.8 to filter out HTML and attachments,
> >> per-list?
> >
> > Look at the privacy page (under list admin) for "Hold posts with..."
>
> A lot of the mail encoded with HTML doesn't have anything in the header
> warning you the contents are HTML.
>
> I just looked at a message written by a user, using "Microsoft Outlook
> Express 6.00.2600.0000", and there's nothing in the header suggesting HTML
> is used. The message is formatted with HTML, however.

The content-type header is the key.  HTML messages will often be of
multipart/alternate, but might be text/html.

alex




From keli at kmdsz.ro  Sun Feb 10 23:56:13 2002
From: keli at kmdsz.ro (Kelemen Zoltan)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:56:13 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? web interface not working
Message-ID: <1013381773.3c66fa8dc7680@mail.kmdsz.ro>

Hi. I installed mailman 2.0.8. on RedHat 7.2 with apache, and everything's fine, Mailman is running without problems, except that the web interface does not work- it's there, I can see it, but if I fill out ANY mailman form (incl. passwords for admin pages, user-info updates etc...), the next page (wich should 'respond' to the form ) acts like if it hasn't gotten anything from the previous form...

it this sounds a bit confusing, try it yourselves: 
http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/listinfo/teszt
and try to subscribe for example. It will (probably) tell you that you must supply an email address and a password whatever you entered (or not) there...

Actually, it doesn't work the way it's supposed to work... but after I took a look at a page's source, and then tried to access the URL of the "action" of the form, with all the variables as a GET query , it works...

Example: instead of entering the password 'teszt' in the proper 'box' on http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/admin/teszt I've written in the locator bar the address: http://www.kmdsz.ro/mailman/admin/teszt?adminpw=teszt 

anybody have a clue?

 best regards,
   zOLtaN



From ivaldes at hal-pc.org  Mon Feb 11 01:40:46 2002
From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:40:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Data gathering.
Message-ID: <3C67130E.1000608@hal-pc.org>

Is there an easy way to put extra user data gathered off of the 
registration page into a database? For example, if I added Name, rank 
and serial number fields onto the web interface page, how would I 
collect that data into say a text file or other database?
-- IV





From ivaldes at hal-pc.org  Mon Feb 11 01:46:53 2002
From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:46:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Data gathering.
References: <3C67130E.1000608@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <3C67147D.2010504@hal-pc.org>

Ignacio Valdes wrote:

> Is there an easy way to put extra user data gathered off of the 
> registration page into a database? For example, if I added Name, rank 
> and serial number fields onto the web interface page, how would I 
> collect that data into say a text file or other database?
> -- IV

I should have added: collect data if you don't have root, i.e. my 
Mailman is running on my ISP's box. I do have a Zope/CMF site which I 
manage, but I don't know how to get the data over to it.  I also don't 
have root on the Zope/CMF site, b/c it runs on my ISP, but I do have 
control panel access.
-- IV




From adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au  Mon Feb 11 04:05:58 2002
From: adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au (Andrew Devenish-Meares)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:05:58 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Confirm not working
Message-ID: <20020211030558.GA14478@unesa.une.edu.au>

Hi all,

I've just installed Mailman 2.0.8 from the Debian package on my system.  I am
using exim as my MTA

I've created lists, and the web interface works, allowing me to mass-subscribe
people to the lists.

However, when people use the web interface they get the message asking them
to confirm their subscription.

When they reply to the message nothing happens.  There are a number of requests
in pending_subscriptions.db.

When I try and post to the list nothing comes through.

Any hints, tips, suggestions or otherwise?

Thanks


Andrew Devenish-Meares
adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au



From mike at netlyncs.com  Mon Feb 11 04:17:37 2002
From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:17:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Confirm not working
References: <20020211030558.GA14478@unesa.une.edu.au>
Message-ID: <01d401c1b2aa$a8560a40$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Devenish-Meares" <adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:05 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Confirm not working


> I've created lists, and the web interface works, allowing me to
mass-subscribe
> people to the lists.
>
> However, when people use the web interface they get the message asking
them
> to confirm their subscription.

If your subscribing the users yourself as admin, then there is no reason to
have them confirm anything.  The only thing they will receive (if you have
that configured to do so) is a welcome email.  They should automatically be
able to send to your list.

Have you also subscribed yourself to the list?  If you post your URL I can
try subscribing myself to test since I'm not on it.

Mike




From damion at moyer-sims.com  Mon Feb 11 04:22:29 2002
From: damion at moyer-sims.com (Damion Moyer-Sims)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:22:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce lists?
Message-ID: <EKEPJJNIFDOIFJAPHHCAOEKGCCAA.damion@moyer-sims.com>

Hello all--

I just switched to a new host that offers Mailman services.  I'm attempting
to set up an Announce list, but can't seem to find the proper combination of
settings.  I pored over both the settings, and the Manager's docs, but
couldn't find any info.  Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Damion




From mike at netlyncs.com  Mon Feb 11 04:39:24 2002
From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:39:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Confirm not working
References: <20020211030558.GA14478@unesa.une.edu.au> <01d401c1b2aa$a8560a40$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com> <20020211032801.GA14965@unesa.une.edu.au>
Message-ID: <01ff01c1b2ad$b305c270$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Devenish-Meares" <adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au>
To: "Mike Chambers" <mike at netlyncs.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Confirm not working


> I've mass-subscibes the people to the lists for our staff, etc, but not to
> a number of other lists where people will subscribe themselves.  I am also
> subscribed to a number of the lists, and no posts appear to come through.
>
> Try:  http://unesa.une.edu.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ne-larp/

I subscribed and got the confirmation email and I hit reply, but nothing
back yet.  When the list was created was the appropriate entries made into
the alias file?  Did you install the mailman package or someone else and
your just using it?   Do you know if the appropriate crontab is setup?

Mike




From adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au  Mon Feb 11 04:46:36 2002
From: adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au (Andrew Devenish-Meares)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:46:36 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Confirm not working
In-Reply-To: <01ff01c1b2ad$b305c270$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com>
References: <20020211030558.GA14478@unesa.une.edu.au> <01d401c1b2aa$a8560a40$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com> <20020211032801.GA14965@unesa.une.edu.au> <01ff01c1b2ad$b305c270$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com>
Message-ID: <20020211034636.GA15300@unesa.une.edu.au>

On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 09:39:24PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Devenish-Meares" <adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au>
> To: "Mike Chambers" <mike at netlyncs.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Confirm not working
> 
> 
> > I've mass-subscibes the people to the lists for our staff, etc, but not to
> > a number of other lists where people will subscribe themselves.  I am also
> > subscribed to a number of the lists, and no posts appear to come through.
> >
> > Try:  http://unesa.une.edu.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ne-larp/
> 
> I subscribed and got the confirmation email and I hit reply, but nothing
> back yet.  When the list was created was the appropriate entries made into
> the alias file?  Did you install the mailman package or someone else and
> your just using it?   Do you know if the appropriate crontab is setup?

The enties in the /etc/aliases file are:

## NE-LARP mailing list
ne-larp at unesa.une.edu.au:                   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post
 ne-larp"
ne-larp-admin at unesa.une.edu.au:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mail
owner ne-larp"
ne-larp-request at unesa.une.edu.au:           "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mail
cmd ne-larp"
owner-ne-larp at unesa.une.edu.au:             ne-larp-admin
ne-larp-owner at unesa.une.edu.au:             ne-larp-admin

I installed the binary package using aptitude.

There is an entry in cron.d for qrunner.

Cheers!

Andrew Devenish-Meares
adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au



From gary at rollanet.org  Sun Feb 10 21:58:22 2002
From: gary at rollanet.org (Gary Mills)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:58:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion
Message-ID: <NDBBKPGPELOPPAKLOEJDAECEEMAA.gary@rollanet.org>

I am writing to make a suggestion for your software.  Actually it's not a
suggestion, it's a request.  Would it be possible to have Mailman remove
attachments and strip away all HTML and RTF formatting from messages before
they are posted?

If this feature already exists please tell me how and where to use it.  If
it doesn't exist, please consider making it an option for your users.  The
viruses are running amuck and creating havoc on e-mail lists despite my
repeated cautions to the recipients of my e-mail list.

Thanks,

Gary Mills
Rolla, Missouri




From abwatson at mindspring.com  Mon Feb 11 02:40:21 2002
From: abwatson at mindspring.com (Andrew Watson)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:40:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscribers
Message-ID: <p05100301b88cce64d529@[10.0.1.2]>

I recently migrated a list to mailman, and after setup and testing, I 
tried to move the list of subscribers to the new list. I did this by 
pasting about 20 addresses, one per line, into the text box on the 
Membership Management page of the configuration site. That seemed to 
work. Emboldened, I pasted in another 700. After churning for a 
while, I got some message from the browser about not finding 
something. When I look at the membership page now, it says there are 
720 subscribers, and shows them all.
But... I received email confirmations only for the first 20. Are the 
others really subscribed? Is there a file I can examine to check? And 
is there a problem with adding subscribers in this way?
-- 

Andrew



From adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au  Mon Feb 11 07:17:37 2002
From: adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au (Andrew Devenish-Meares)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:17:37 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Confirm not working
In-Reply-To: <20020211034636.GA15300@unesa.une.edu.au>
References: <20020211030558.GA14478@unesa.une.edu.au> <01d401c1b2aa$a8560a40$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com> <20020211032801.GA14965@unesa.une.edu.au> <01ff01c1b2ad$b305c270$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com> <20020211034636.GA15300@unesa.une.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20020211061737.GA18201@unesa.une.edu.au>

> 
> I installed the binary package using aptitude.
> 
> There is an entry in cron.d for qrunner.

Just to mention, the problem I was having was dealing with exim's need for 
uid's for the system_alias and address_pipe definitions in exim.conf

Thanks for all your help.

Andrew Devenish-Meares
adevenis at tunefm.une.edu.au



From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com  Mon Feb 11 07:29:58 2002
From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:29:58 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mailing problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020208095940.02abdc08@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020208095940.02abdc08@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020211.6295800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com>

HI Richard

I moved my mailman and sendmail server to another machine since i had 
to work on ipmasq kernel.

I moved the apache, sendmail mailbox and /home/mailman directories..

my mail server is working fine and so too my apache with mailman web 
interface.

As i forgot to link mailman wrapper to /etc/smrsh file , it threw me 
error like this..

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sysadmin"
    (expanded from: <sysadmin at naturesoft.net>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/natarajan_vp.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/archive_ff.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/joseph.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/claus.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/patrick.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/wilfred.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/premsagar.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/paul_r.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/saugatac.lock"
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sysadmin"... Service unavailable
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/felix.lock"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/sivakumar_j.lock"

Then, after realising the mistake.. i linked the wrapper file to 
/etc/smrsh

The /etc/aliases file was already moved  also..

Now, when i snd a mail to any of the lists, the mails are not 
delived... i dont have any messages in the error logs also,.

What is the problem, how to solve it..
Warm regards
Ganeshh







From solignani at solignani.it  Mon Feb 11 08:37:15 2002
From: solignani at solignani.it (Solignani Tiziano)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:37:15 +0100
Subject: R: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKPGPELOPPAKLOEJDAECEEMAA.gary@rollanet.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPIEBHCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>

> I am writing to make a suggestion for your software.  Actually it's not a
> suggestion, it's a request.  Would it be possible to have Mailman remove
> attachments and strip away all HTML and RTF formatting from
> messages before
> they are posted?

	That would be wonderful. I see groups at yahoo working this way: every mail
get converted to plain text before being distributed to the subscribers and
every attachment is cut away. Besides security stuff, I cannot stand html
postings... Maybe there is a software which we can use with mailman to do
such a job.

	Tiziano




From solignani at solignani.it  Mon Feb 11 08:41:49 2002
From: solignani at solignani.it (Solignani Tiziano)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:41:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending a mail to all sub every now and then
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPCEBICKAA.solignani@solignani.it>

	Do you know if it is possible with mailman to send a message to all
subscriber say once a month, f.e. with the policy of the list or other
useful reminders?
	I know you can autoreply to people who send mail to the list, I just would
like the message to reach all subscribers, even the ones who never sent any
mail to the list.
	Maybe it is necessary to use another external software?


---- Avv. Tiziano Solignani
via Bonesi n. 15 - Vignola (MO)
tel. 059 76.19.26 - fax 059 77.04.535
mail: solignani at solignani.it
chat: avv_tiziano_solignani at hotmail.com

www.solignani.it - portale di diritto, fatti, opinioni




From solignani at solignani.it  Mon Feb 11 11:11:01 2002
From: solignani at solignani.it (Solignani Tiziano)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:11:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list and administrator
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPIEBPCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>

	How come in moderated list posts from administrator needs approval from the
administrator itself? Do you know if there is a workaround for this? I have
a list which I would like to use for announcement only, so that I set it to
moderated (each post requires approval), but every time I post something I
have to get on line and to approve my own post... Is there a wat to define
an email address which never requires approval? Or to let mailman recognize
the administrator's address? Thank you for your attention.


--- Avv. Tiziano Solignani
via Bonesi n. 15 - Vignola (MO)
tel. 059 76.19.26 - fax 059 77.04.535
mail: solignani at solignani.it
chat: avv_tiziano_solignani at hotmail.com

www.solignani.it portale di diritto, fatti, opinioni






From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Feb 11 11:27:59 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:27:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman mailing problem
In-Reply-To: <20020211.6295800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020208095940.02abdc08@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020208095940.02abdc08@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211101927.0325da90@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 06:29 11/02/2002 +0000, Ganesh HariHaran wrote:

>HI Richard
>
>I moved my mailman and sendmail server to another machine since i had
>to work on ipmasq kernel.
>
>I moved the apache, sendmail mailbox and /home/mailman directories..
>
>my mail server is working fine and so too my apache with mailman web
>interface.
>
>As i forgot to link mailman wrapper to /etc/smrsh file , it threw me
>error like this..
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sysadmin"
>     (expanded from: <sysadmin at naturesoft.net>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/natarajan_vp.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/archive_ff.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/joseph.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/claus.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/patrick.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/wilfred.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/premsagar.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/paul_r.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/saugatac.lock"
>sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
>554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sysadmin"... Service unavailable
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/felix.lock"
>procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/sivakumar_j.lock"
>
>Then, after realising the mistake.. i linked the wrapper file to
>/etc/smrsh
>
>The /etc/aliases file was already moved  also..
>
>Now, when i snd a mail to any of the lists, the mails are not
>delived... i dont have any messages in the error logs also,.

You could start by looking at:

1. verifying you have installed Mailman's crontab on the new machine (and 
removed them from the old one?).

2. in Mailman $prefix/logs/qrunner to verify it is running regularly.

2. in your MTA log to see if it is delivering to Mailman.

3. in Mailman's $prefix/logs/post for entries corresponding to the maillog 
entries

4. in Mailman's preifx/logs/smtp for entrie corresponding to the logs/post 
entries

>What is the problem, how to solve it..
>Warm regards
>Ganeshh




From mj at percomp.de  Mon Feb 11 11:29:15 2002
From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:29:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list and administrator
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020211112911.00ad8f00@pop3.percomp.de>

At 11:11 11.02.02 +0100, Solignani Tiziano wrote:
>         How come in moderated list posts from administrator needs 
> approval from the
>administrator itself? Do you know if there is a workaround for this? I have
>a list which I would like to use for announcement only, so that I set it to
>moderated (each post requires approval), but every time I post something I
>have to get on line and to approve my own post... Is there a wat to define
>an email address which never requires approval? Or to let mailman recognize
>the administrator's address? Thank you for your attention.


But you accept, that EVERYONE could then fake your adress and send e-mail 
to that list?

Reg.


Matthias J?nichen




From simon at imaginemedia.co.uk  Mon Feb 11 10:53:10 2002
From: simon at imaginemedia.co.uk (Simon, imagine media)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:53:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Senmail Service unavailable bounce!!
Message-ID: <B88D4506.AB9D%simon@imaginemedia.co.uk>

hello all,

I am getting "dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable" messages from sendmail
for some addresses in my list! Mailman is working correctly for other
addresses (see below):

Feb 11 00:05:07 localhost sendmail[13628]: g1B052913626:
to=<munchpup at hotmail.com>,<katrinakirk at hotmail.com>, delay=00:00:05,
xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=esmtp, pri=199930, relay=mx04.hotmail.com.
[64.4.56.135], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Requested mail action okay, completed)


But bounces other addresses:

Feb 11 00:05:08 localhost sendmail[13628]: g1B052913626:
to=<bigfish at mac.com>, delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp,
pri=199930, relay=smtp-mx.mac.com. [204.179.120.49], dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service
unavailable
Feb 11 00:05:08 localhost sendmail[13628]: g1B052913626: g1B058913628: DSN:
Service unavailable

I can successfully send to the bounced address (both as root and mailman
users) via elm from the same box:

elm -s "Testing Webmaster email" bigfish at mac.com < /dev/null

Feb 11 09:49:13 localhost sendmail[21942]: g1B9nDi21942: from=root,
size=223, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<200202110949.g1B9nDi21942 at ns0.imagineinternet.co.uk>,
relay=root at localhost
Feb 11 09:49:17 localhost sendmail[21945]: g1B9nDi21942: to=bigfish at mac.com,
ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:04, xdelay=00:00:04, mailer=esmtp,
pri=30223, relay=smtp-mx.mac.com. [204.179.120.49], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(g1B9plV7021606 Message accepted for delivery)


I need a way of finding out why Mailman cant send to these addresses.

Simon





From mj at percomp.de  Mon Feb 11 12:14:05 2002
From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:14:05 +0100
Subject: R: [Mailman-Users] moderated list and administrator
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPEECDCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020211112911.00ad8f00@pop3.percomp.de>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020211121256.00cb2e60@pop3.percomp.de>

At 12:03 11.02.02 +0100, Solignani Tiziano wrote:
> > But you accept, that EVERYONE could then fake your adress and send e-mail
> > to that list?
> >

Check this option under Privacy:

"Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit 
approval requirement"

Reg.



Matthias J?nichen




From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Mon Feb 11 13:22:09 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:22:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting mailman to work at all
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10202110716470.9617-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>

I've installed mailman-1.1 on a solaris 5.7 box with the latest apache and
python. I can create a list and access, modify the config web pages but mail
never goes through.

While it passed check_perm, all files were installed root:mailman. I changed
them to mailman:mailman but that didn't make a difference. What should 
ownership be?

The ~mailman/logs/smtp-failures say:

TrySMTPDelivery: To ['someone at wherever.com']:
TrySMTPDelivery:    exceptions.TypeError  / connect() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)  (dequeued)

Any idea what might be wrong?

TIA


 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland 
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies   




From tirloni at bs2.com.br  Mon Feb 11 13:28:54 2002
From: tirloni at bs2.com.br (Giovanni P. Tirloni)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:28:54 -0200 (BRST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using aliases
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202111024060.12968-100000@vanessa.bs2.com.br>

Hi,

  I've recently installed Mailman on one of our servers and everything
 works just fine except for one thing. I created a list
 test at listas.bs2.com.br and that works but if I create an alias
 test at bs2.com.br forwarding to test at listas.bs2.com.br and post to that
 alias Mailman holds my post for approval but if I post to the list
 itself (test at listas.bs2.com.br) it won't hold. What could this be ?

Thanks in advance,

 -- 
 Giovanni P. Tirloni




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Feb 11 13:38:24 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:38:24 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using aliases
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202111024060.12968-100000@vanessa.bs2.com.b
 r>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211123649.029ae178@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:28 11/02/2002 -0200, Giovanni P. Tirloni wrote:
>Hi,
>
>   I've recently installed Mailman on one of our servers and everything
>  works just fine except for one thing. I created a list
>  test at listas.bs2.com.br and that works but if I create an alias
>  test at bs2.com.br forwarding to test at listas.bs2.com.br and post to that
>  alias Mailman holds my post for approval but if I post to the list
>  itself (test at listas.bs2.com.br) it won't hold. What could this be ?

When you go to the Administrative requests page of the admin web gui why 
does it say it is holding the posting??

If you go to the Privacy options page of the web admin gui and look at the 
first option under the 'Spam specific posting filers' you will probably 
find that the setting for 'Must posts have list named in destination (to, 
cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)' is 'yes'.

That is probably why, when the post comes via another list, it is being 
held: the list is not explicitly in the To field.

Try putting the umbrella list in the next field 'Alias names (regexps) 
which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list'.

>Thanks in advance,
>
>  --
>  Giovanni P. Tirloni
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Feb 11 13:42:07 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:42:07 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting mailman to work at all
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10202110716470.9617-100000@forest.umiacs.umd
 .edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211123839.029ae178@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Why would you install Mailman 1.1 when the latest version is 2.0.8, which 
is available from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0.8.tgz.

You'll find getting support is much easier if you run the current stable 
release.

At 07:22 11/02/2002 -0500, Dave  Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
>I've installed mailman-1.1 on a solaris 5.7 box with the latest apache and
>python. I can create a list and access, modify the config web pages but mail
>never goes through.
>
>While it passed check_perm, all files were installed root:mailman. I changed
>them to mailman:mailman but that didn't make a difference. What should
>ownership be?
>
>The ~mailman/logs/smtp-failures say:
>
>TrySMTPDelivery: To ['someone at wherever.com']:
>TrySMTPDelivery:    exceptions.TypeError  / connect() takes exactly 1 
>argument (2 given)  (dequeued)
>
>Any idea what might be wrong?
>
>TIA
>
>
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave 
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  David Stern                                            University of 
> Maryland
>                 Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 11 15:44:54 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:44:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Data gathering.
References: <3C67130E.1000608@hal-pc.org> <3C67147D.2010504@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <014d01c1b30a$ae128a20$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Your best bet (beyond gaining the trust of your ISP) is to setup a dynamic
site under your control.  Set up web pages similar to the look and feel of
Mailman's that ask the same questions and get the same data (plus any
additional data). Download and store the data into your database, then use
mailman's email functions to perform the requested changes or additions.

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ignacio Valdes" <ivaldes at hal-pc.org>
To: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Data gathering.


> Ignacio Valdes wrote:
>
> > Is there an easy way to put extra user data gathered off of the
> > registration page into a database? For example, if I added Name, rank
> > and serial number fields onto the web interface page, how would I
> > collect that data into say a text file or other database?
> > -- IV
>
> I should have added: collect data if you don't have root, i.e. my
> Mailman is running on my ISP's box. I do have a Zope/CMF site which I
> manage, but I don't know how to get the data over to it.  I also don't
> have root on the Zope/CMF site, b/c it runs on my ISP, but I do have
> control panel access.
> -- IV
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From solignani at solignani.it  Mon Feb 11 21:19:49 2002
From: solignani at solignani.it (Solignani Tiziano)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:19:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invio in corso posta elettronica: stripmime-alt
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPCEDACKAA.solignani@solignani.it>

maybe this could do (removes attachments and converts to plain text)
let's give it a try.

Tiziano  
I file sono stati allegati e sono pronti per l'invio con il messaggio.
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From abwatson at mail.arc.nasa.gov  Mon Feb 11 22:17:00 2002
From: abwatson at mail.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Watson)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:17:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify the piperman configuration
Message-ID: <p0510031db88de2c2b6f5@[143.232.72.120]>

I have a new list which is archived.
How do I modify the piperman configuration (e.g. the heading at top 
of archive pages, order of by-date list, etc.?
-- 

Andrew



From cmaujean at premierelink.com  Mon Feb 11 23:56:10 2002
From: cmaujean at premierelink.com (Christopher Maujean)
Date: 11 Feb 2002 14:56:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email based subscriptions
Message-ID: <1013468171.13128.946.camel@zen.premierelink.com>

--
I am using coldfusion to send a mail based subscription request to one
of my lists and I would like to disable the auto-generated message: 

***** subscribe sldfhsfr nodigest address=blah at blah.com Succeeded 

is there any way to do this?

-- 
Christopher Maujean
IT Director, Premierelink Communications
cmaujean at premierelink.com
http://www.premierelink.com/
541-344-8575x305

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From rene at vtwebwizard.com  Tue Feb 12 01:01:01 2002
From: rene at vtwebwizard.com (Rene Churchill)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL & SMTP_MAX_RCPTS
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211185550.02d05040@www.vtwebwizard.com>

Hi folks,

I'm getting what I think is an odd response from AOL.  My client is sending a large (too bloody large) HTML email newsletter out.  It runs 40-50k each week.  If I attempt to set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to anything higher than one, AOL appears to discard the newsletter.   The performance stinks with SMTP_MAX_RCPTS set that low.  Has anybody else run into this problem?

As a workaround, the AOL members have been moved to a separate mailing list.  Is there any way of setting SMTP_MAX_RCTPS on a per-list basis?  The vast majority of the list is non-AOL and I'd like to speed up their portion of the process at a minimum.

Thanks,
        Rene


--
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                 http://www.vtwebwizard.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 12 05:00:35 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:00:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email based subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <1013468171.13128.946.camel@zen.premierelink.com>
References: <1013468171.13128.946.camel@zen.premierelink.com>
Message-ID: <08fdf4700040c22FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

There are many ways to do this.  The best way is to edit the source code.  
That would stop all email success messages from being sent.

Jon Carnes



From cmaujean at premierelink.com  Tue Feb 12 05:08:10 2002
From: cmaujean at premierelink.com (Christopher Maujean)
Date: 11 Feb 2002 20:08:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email based subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <08fdf4700040c22FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>
References: <1013468171.13128.946.camel@zen.premierelink.com> 
	<08fdf4700040c22FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1013486890.12003.1015.camel@zen.premierelink.com>

Where in the source would I find this functionality? I don't know
python, and will be flying by the seat of my pants on this one. What are
the binary files that seem to match each source file, do I need to
compile somehow after editing the source? 

On Mon, 2002-02-11 at 20:00, Jon Carnes wrote:
> There are many ways to do this.  The best way is to edit the source code.  
> That would stop all email success messages from being sent.
> 
> Jon Carnes
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From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Feb 12 05:39:44 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:39:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list and administrator
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPIEBPCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>
References: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPIEBPCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>
Message-ID: <p0510140eb88e4caa2d4d@[207.149.192.229]>

At 11:11 +0100 2/11/2002, Solignani Tiziano wrote:
>Is there a way to define
>an email address which never requires approval?

yes...and it will work fine until someone notices that he or she can send
anything at all to your list by forging the message so that it is from you.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Feb 12 05:56:38 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email based subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <1013486890.12003.1015.camel@zen.premierelink.com>
References: <1013468171.13128.946.camel@zen.premierelink.com> <08fdf4700040c22FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com> <1013486890.12003.1015.camel@zen.premierelink.com>
Message-ID: <0de4a5056040c22FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

This should get you started: 
 - Mailman is written very modular.  Each module does a specific part of the 
process of the listserver.
 - Look in ~mailman/Mailman for the module (or sub-program) that is sending 
the success message from the email subscribe
 - The source code is in a file with the extension .py, the compiled source 
is in a file named after the module with an extension of .pyc.
 - When run via Python, it checks the source to see if it has a recent 
compiled version - the .pyc file. If that file exists and it was created at 
the same time or later than the module was last changed, then it executes the 
compiled program.  Otherwise it deletes the old compiled version and 
recompiles the source automagically.  Very cool.
 - Python is extremely easy to read and figure out.  Give it a run and you'll 
soon be programming in it with ease.

You can also check out the users lists archives.  My self and many others 
have written extensively about modifying the source code.  You will even find 
lists of various modules and their functions.  I'm not saying its all 
documented, but a lot of it is.

If you need a knudge or two in the right direction, I'll help you out a bit, 
but I don't have any cycles open till Friday.  Good Luck - Jon Carnes
===
On Monday 11 February 2002 11:08 pm, Christopher Maujean wrote:
> Where in the source would I find this functionality? I don't know
> python, and will be flying by the seat of my pants on this one. What are
> the binary files that seem to match each source file, do I need to
> compile somehow after editing the source?
>
> On Mon, 2002-02-11 at 20:00, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > There are many ways to do this.  The best way is to edit the source code.
> > That would stop all email success messages from being sent.
> >
> > Jon Carnes



From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Tue Feb 12 10:19:41 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 12 Feb 2002 09:19:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL & SMTP_MAX_RCPTS
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211185550.02d05040@www.vtwebwizard.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211185550.02d05040@www.vtwebwizard.com>
Message-ID: <1013505581.14864.7.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 00:01, Rene Churchill wrote:
> I'm getting what I think is an odd response from AOL. 
> My client is sending a large (too bloody large) HTML email
> newsletter out.  It runs 40-50k each week.  If I attempt to set
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to anything higher than one, AOL appears to discard
> the newsletter.   The performance stinks with SMTP_MAX_RCPTS set
> that low.  Has anybody else run into this problem?

Try talking to the AOL folks and see if they have a spamtrap whitelist
they can add you to.

Alternatively, I'd tackle this by modding the MTA configuration - in
exim use the max_rcpts option on the smtp transport and set it down to
one for AOL (not sure if its an expandable option, if not you need to
peel AOL off in a different router and pass them to their own special
smtp transport).

It still sucks your bandwidth but the list split is done elsewhere.

	Nigel.
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[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]




From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Tue Feb 12 10:51:49 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:51:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Beginner] Moving a mailing list to another machine
Message-ID: <20020212095149.GA11750@netaktiv.com>

[Warning: I begin with Mailman but I've read the documentation.]

I'm trying to move many lists from one machine to another. Is it
sufficient to move /var/lib/mailman/lists and
/var/lib/mailman/archives and the aliases file or are there other
things I should take care of?

I noticed in the Site Administrator Documentation the script move_file
but without explanations of the way to use it.




From rommel at suse.de  Tue Feb 12 13:24:06 2002
From: rommel at suse.de (Heiko Rommel)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:24:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] value of Sender: field for outgoing member postings
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202121317390.7993-100000@Poincare.suse.de>

Hi,

I would like to set the Sender field for outgoing messages to

Sender: owner-<listname>@some.domain

instead of

Sender: <listname>-admin at some.domain

How can this be accomplished ?
What kind of problems will I have to face (if any) ?

Heiko

BTW: Mailman version 2.0.8




From S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk  Tue Feb 12 16:41:29 2002
From: S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk (Steve Lay)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:41:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DOS security issue.
Message-ID: <a05101406b88ee2e2bc3d@[131.111.152.194]>

This is probably the wrong place to raise this, sorry, but I wonder if
anybody else has had the same trouble we've just had.

We're running 2.0.8 with exim and recently a user sent a message with the
following sort of "To:" header..

To: listname at listserver.domain>

Notice the trailing '>' character.

Mailman processed this message just fine and sent it out to several hundred
subscribers.  A small group of these messages failed with 550 result codes
from the remote SMTP servers, mostly from one fairly large ISP.

Putting aside the issue of whether or not this is a valid reason for
returning a 550 result code, a malicious user could (a) use this technique
to exclude users from a discussion or (b) bump these users from the list by
sending a flurry of messages that result in their subscriptions being
disabled or revoked.

Clearly mailman cannot parse and validate all message headers, but those
that it examines (such as "To:") should probably be rejected if they
contain syntax errors.

What do other list server owners think?




From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Tue Feb 12 16:52:09 2002
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:52:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Question
In-Reply-To: <20020108003747.M38651-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu>; from mail_man@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:45:30AM -0600
References: <20020108003747.M38651-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu>
Message-ID: <20020212165142.C9040@belnet.be>

On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:45:30AM -0600, Tim Legg wrote:
> FreeBSD 4.4, Postfix
> 
> I am preparing to install mailman-2.0.8 on my system according to my
> INSTALL document.  In step 1, I was told to create user and group mailman
> by modifying the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files.
> 
> Is it good enough to create these accounts/groups by placing them alone on
> a single line, or should I fill in the other atributes?
> 
> In FreeBSD, /etc/passwd and /etc/group have the fields delimited by
> colons.  I am not entirely clear on what each of these fields represent,
> but should I know what to enter for the shell path, home dir path, real
> name, et cetera?

What's wrong with using standard tools like useradd and groupadd?
Should be available on FreeBSD too, I guess?

-- 
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
http://www.belnet.be



From mailman at linkpro.net  Tue Feb 12 18:26:44 2002
From: mailman at linkpro.net (Damon Linkous)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:26:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search the archives?
Message-ID: <0b4701c1b3ea$71ca7f60$5cad5041@webchecker>

Are the Mailman generated archives searchable? I've looked through the list.org site and don't see
any reference, and the Mailman list I'm on doesn't have that feature. Can it be added?

Second, the list I'd like to move to Mailman is a group at Yahoo, at least half the list uses the
web interface to send and receive messages to the list, is there a webmail interface for Mailman?

Thanks from a Mailman newbie,

Damon Linkous, MCIWD
Memphis Tennessee
http://www.TailoredWebDesign.com
"Web Design That Fits"




From bill-mailman at carpenter.ORG  Tue Feb 12 19:23:43 2002
From: bill-mailman at carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:23:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts
Message-ID: <2695-Tue12Feb2002102343-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG>

[[This is so irritating (after a while) that I can't believe it's not
a more popular gripe.  Feel free to rub my nose in the obvious
solution.]]

I help run a very low volume mailing list.  Most days, there are no
postings.  Sometimes weeks can go by with no postings.  Every day,
though, we get lots of spam.  On weekends, it's at least a couple
dozen a day.  All of this spam gets trapped by the "members only" list
option.

So far, so good.

It's sort of tedious to go through the web interface to clear out
50-100 spams.  Click, scroll, click, scroll, ... fall asleep, click,
scroll, ....

I wish one of these things were available:

1.  A configuration setting that would automatically "reject"
non-member postings, just as if I had gone through the web interface
and selected "reject" for each message.  (We don't want to
automatically "discard" non-member posts because we do get the
occasional legit non-member posting.  That's the same reason we don't
run a spam filter that silently discards traffic.)

-or-

2.  A configuration setting that would automatically mark non-member
postings as "reject" instead of "defer" in the web interface.  That
way, we'd just have to do one submit to clear out the crap and then
could easily see if there was something interesting in the queue.

So, is there anything like either of those in some place I haven't
looked?
-- 
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From mrash at drshouse.com  Tue Feb 12 19:54:07 2002
From: mrash at drshouse.com (Mark Ash)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:54:07 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper seems to not be sgid'ing..
Message-ID: <20020212.18540700.3940721686@thedr.drshouse.com>

Am trying to run mailman v2.0.8 with postfix on SuSE v7.2.  Am getting 
the error at the bottom of the page.  I've rebuilt, installed and 
configured  mailman.  I built it using the correct gid values for mail 
and cgi.
I ran the check_perms and when it's set to what it ideally wants, wrapper 
is mail.mail  and sgid.
Even if I chgrp postfix wrapper and leave it sgid, I get the same error.  
It's like the sgid is failing.
I can use some help... Everything associated with mailman seems to be 
ready, just can't mail to it.  All users that aren't mailing-list related 
can send and receive mail just fine.  This seems to be specific to 
wrapper not sgid'ing..



Gid	name		Comment
==================================
51	postfix	mail runs as this
65534	nogroup	web runs as this

Feb 12 11:21:34 thedr postfix/local[5508]: 254ED15E733: 
to=<testing at drshouse.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command 
died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testing". Command 
output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 51, GOT gid 65534.  
(Reconfigure to take 65534?) )
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From sebold at lcms.org  Tue Feb 12 20:41:45 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:41:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] goodbye_msg problem?
In-Reply-To: <878za3mzog.fsf@sebold.lcms.org> (Charles Sebold's message of
 "Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:27:59 -0600")
References: <878za3mzog.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>
Message-ID: <87bseuo5c6.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

On 26 Shevat 5762, Charles Sebold wrote:

> When one of our lists has the following as goodbye_msg, it breaks the
> unsubscribe message.  Some of the headers are inserted _after_ the
> goodbye message.  Any ideas?  Running Debian's Mailman 2.0.8 from
> woody.

No responses from the list, but I found a workaround for now, until I
learn enough Python to prepare a patch.  (Thank heaven for free
software!  Without the source I wouldn't have had any idea where to
start.)

For goodbye messages to work, start the goodbye message with two blank
lines.  The web interface appears to drop one of them, and you are left
with one.  Then goodbye messages will work.

I guess the algorithm that determines where to put the headers in the
final outgoing email gets confused, since wrapping the goodbye_msg
removes the starting CR?  Maybe I'm confused but I think I'm on the
right track.
-- 
Charles Sebold                                      30th of Shevat, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems                http://unix.ois.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***



From rommel at suse.de  Tue Feb 12 22:36:00 2002
From: rommel at suse.de (Heiko Rommel)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:36:00 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts
In-Reply-To: <2695-Tue12Feb2002102343-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202122232570.18537-100000@Poincare.suse.de>

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, WJCarpenter wrote:

> [[This is so irritating (after a while) that I can't believe it's not
> a more popular gripe.  Feel free to rub my nose in the obvious
> solution.]]
>
> I help run a very low volume mailing list.  Most days, there are no
> postings.  Sometimes weeks can go by with no postings.  Every day,
> though, we get lots of spam.  On weekends, it's at least a couple
> dozen a day.  All of this spam gets trapped by the "members only" list
> option.
>
> So far, so good.
>
> It's sort of tedious to go through the web interface to clear out
> 50-100 spams.  Click, scroll, click, scroll, ... fall asleep, click,
> scroll, ....
>
> I wish one of these things were available:
>
> 1.  A configuration setting that would automatically "reject"
> non-member postings, just as if I had gone through the web interface
> and selected "reject" for each message.  (We don't want to
> automatically "discard" non-member posts because we do get the
> occasional legit non-member posting.  That's the same reason we don't
> run a spam filter that silently discards traffic.)
>
> -or-
>
> 2.  A configuration setting that would automatically mark non-member
> postings as "reject" instead of "defer" in the web interface.  That
> way, we'd just have to do one submit to clear out the crap and then
> could easily see if there was something interesting in the queue.
>
> So, is there anything like either of those in some place I haven't
> looked?

Both issues sound to me as if you would like to run a MTA in front off
Mailman which protects your lists from all that crap ;-)

Split horizon mail services come to my mind when I here this.

Heiko




From rommel at suse.de  Tue Feb 12 22:39:49 2002
From: rommel at suse.de (Heiko Rommel)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:39:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper seems to not be sgid'ing..
In-Reply-To: <20020212.18540700.3940721686@thedr.drshouse.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202122236330.18537-100000@Poincare.suse.de>

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Mark Ash wrote:

> Am trying to run mailman v2.0.8 with postfix on SuSE v7.2.  Am getting
> the error at the bottom of the page.  I've rebuilt, installed and
> configured  mailman.  I built it using the correct gid values for mail
> and cgi.
> I ran the check_perms and when it's set to what it ideally wants, wrapper
> is mail.mail  and sgid.
> Even if I chgrp postfix wrapper and leave it sgid, I get the same error.
> It's like the sgid is failing.
> I can use some help... Everything associated with mailman seems to be
> ready, just can't mail to it.  All users that aren't mailing-list related
> can send and receive mail just fine.  This seems to be specific to
> wrapper not sgid'ing..
>

Try to upgrade to a newer package of mailman for SuSE Linux.

In

/etc/mailman.cgi-group

and

/etc/mailman.mail-group

specify the UIDs that are used by the appropriate subsystem:

If you use Sendmail:

/etc/mailman.mail-group: 2

If Postfix:

/etc/mailman.mail-group: 65534


Heiko




From rommel at suse.de  Tue Feb 12 22:42:12 2002
From: rommel at suse.de (Heiko Rommel)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:42:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] goodbye_msg problem?
In-Reply-To: <87bseuo5c6.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202122240360.18537-100000@Poincare.suse.de>

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Charles Sebold wrote:

> On 26 Shevat 5762, Charles Sebold wrote:
>
> > When one of our lists has the following as goodbye_msg, it breaks the
> > unsubscribe message.  Some of the headers are inserted _after_ the
> > goodbye message.  Any ideas?  Running Debian's Mailman 2.0.8 from
> > woody.
>
> No responses from the list, but I found a workaround for now, until I
> learn enough Python to prepare a patch.  (Thank heaven for free
> software!  Without the source I wouldn't have had any idea where to
> start.)
>
> For goodbye messages to work, start the goodbye message with two blank
> lines.  The web interface appears to drop one of them, and you are left
> with one.  Then goodbye messages will work.
>
> I guess the algorithm that determines where to put the headers in the
> final outgoing email gets confused, since wrapping the goodbye_msg
> removes the starting CR?  Maybe I'm confused but I think I'm on the
> right track.

Sound to me as there is a concurrency between buffered and unbuffered output,
i.e. on faster systems two blank linkes may not be sufficient.

Maybe I'm wrong ...

Heiko




From rommel at suse.de  Tue Feb 12 22:31:33 2002
From: rommel at suse.de (Heiko Rommel)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:31:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search the archives?
In-Reply-To: <0b4701c1b3ea$71ca7f60$5cad5041@webchecker>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202122229590.18537-100000@Poincare.suse.de>

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Damon Linkous wrote:

> Are the Mailman generated archives searchable? I've looked through the list.org site and don't see
> any reference, and the Mailman list I'm on doesn't have that feature. Can it be added?
>
> Second, the list I'd like to move to Mailman is a group at Yahoo, at least half the list uses the
> web interface to send and receive messages to the list, is there a webmail interface for Mailman?
>
> Thanks from a Mailman newbie,
>

What about using MHonArc

http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html#whatis

?

Heiko




From morgan at hahaha.org  Tue Feb 12 23:00:19 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:00:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search the archives?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202122229590.18537-100000@Poincare.suse.de> (Heiko
 Rommel's message of "Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:31:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202122229590.18537-100000@Poincare.suse.de>
Message-ID: <87it92l5sc.fsf@hahaha.org>

Heiko Rommel <rommel at suse.de> writes:
> What about using MHonArc
>
> http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html#whatis

MHonArc just archives. Wilma wraps MHonArc and Glimpse to get you
search-able archives:

  http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo/#wilma

I have set up a large archive that is indexed and search-able by
wilma. It's OK, but the search syntax required by glimpse isn't for
everyone, and I found that after about the 400MB mark, glimpse would
corrupt its own indices when doing nightly incremental updates.

I'm going to try the pipermail<->htdig integration patches when we switch
the list to mailman, soon.

Morgan








From thomas.maier at eun.org  Mon Feb 11 10:26:37 2002
From: thomas.maier at eun.org (Thomas Maier)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:26:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list now shown in admin list
Message-ID: <NEBBJLBBCLGKJAHCJEMJEEILDEAA.thomas.maier@eun.org>

Dear all,

I have created a new mailing list but it is not listed in the admin
interface. But typing in the mailing lists directory name in the URL works
fine. So the list exists, we are even using it for two weeks now, but it
simply doesn?t show up in the admin interface.
Help would be appriciated.

Greetinx,
Thomas

We are using Mailman on 2.0.5 on RedHat 6.2

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From support at percomp.de  Mon Feb 11 11:27:27 2002
From: support at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:27:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list and administrator
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPIEBPCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020211112717.00cb3460@pop3.percomp.de>

At 11:11 11.02.02 +0100, Solignani Tiziano wrote:
>         How come in moderated list posts from administrator needs 
> approval from the
>administrator itself? Do you know if there is a workaround for this? I have
>a list which I would like to use for announcement only, so that I set it to
>moderated (each post requires approval), but every time I post something I
>have to get on line and to approve my own post... Is there a wat to define
>an email address which never requires approval? Or to let mailman recognize
>the administrator's address? Thank you for your attention.


But you accept, that EVERYONE could then fake your adress and send e-mail 
to that list?

Reg.

Matthias J?nichen
(IT-Security Engineer, MSc)
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From waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov  Mon Feb 11 13:38:32 2002
From: waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov (Alan L. Waller)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enforcing ASCII in a list
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020208133402.00aefeb8@mail.jfredball.com>
References: <20020208203340.L53232-100000@phred.org>
 <878za3tl4d.fsf@hahaha.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020211073738.00a796a8@osb.wff.nasa.gov>

Content-Type: .*multipart
Content-Type: .*mixed
Content-Type: .*rich





>I want to look at your solution, but in the meantime, what could be placed 
>in the "Hold posts with" area to stop HTML and attachments??






From rsalz at zolera.com  Mon Feb 11 18:41:52 2002
From: rsalz at zolera.com (Rich Salz)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:41:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature requests
Message-ID: <3C680260.2080103@zolera.com>

It would be nice to search the membership list for a text string, to 
find a particular bouncing member.

It would be nice to be able to download the mailing list.

-- 
Zolera Systems, http://www.zolera.com
Information Integrity, XML Security




From cathy at eskimo.com  Mon Feb 11 20:23:34 2002
From: cathy at eskimo.com (cathy munro)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:23:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing to plain text
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20020211111941.0219e530@mail.eskimo.com>

I hope you can help.  we're using mailman for two lists for greyhound 
rescue and adoption.  we would like to have the lists only accept plain 
text but we can't seem to make it work that way.  there is an option to 
check for plain text in the membership options and everyone has that 
checked - we're still getting html formatted messages which make the 
digests look terrible.

Is there a way to strip the html formatting before it reaches the list?  I 
can't seem to find that option in the faq.  tech support at my isp don't 
have a clue.

thanks for any help you can give us.

cathy munro




From martin at glancynet.com  Tue Feb 12 17:34:18 2002
From: martin at glancynet.com (Martin)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error decoding authorization cookie
Message-ID: <000801c1b3e3$1dee9e50$f901a8c0@glancynet.com>

Every time I try to admin the site I receive  "Error decoding authorization cookie" Any suggestions on how to fix this.

Martin Gnyp
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From eric at imountaindesign.com  Tue Feb 12 18:16:17 2002
From: eric at imountaindesign.com (Eric Baker)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:16:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <00a901c1b3e9$005aff40$1ea8a8c0@winlaptop>

I've just had a number of sites migrated to a new server using the Mailman list software. The new software has a lot of nice features, but I'd like a more basic list program. I just need for people to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe. I'd like the list administrator to be the ONLY one to be able to email the list, reaching all the list subscribers and the admin. being the only one who can read the list and make changes to subscribers. Subscribers are NOT allowed to post to the list. This would now be a discussion list or even a forum, with the admin. being able to control the postings. This is too much. I need a simple list program on this new server.

Can you help? Do you have stripped-down version? Can I tweak the current version of Mailman (2.0.8) on this server? 
Thank you.

Eric
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From alex at phred.org  Tue Feb 12 23:17:43 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search the archives?
In-Reply-To: <87it92l5sc.fsf@hahaha.org>
Message-ID: <20020212140522.O53232-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
> Heiko Rommel <rommel at suse.de> writes:
> > What about using MHonArc
> >
> > http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html#whatis
>
> MHonArc just archives. Wilma wraps MHonArc and Glimpse to get you
> search-able archives:
>
>   http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo/#wilma
>
> I have set up a large archive that is indexed and search-able by
> wilma. It's OK, but the search syntax required by glimpse isn't for
> everyone, and I found that after about the 400MB mark, glimpse would
> corrupt its own indices when doing nightly incremental updates.

I built a searchable archive using Windows 2000, Index Server, and
Windows SMTP Server.  I can share the code for this if anyone
is interested...

The index is automatically updated as new messages are found, so there
is no nightly run of anything.  Messages are generally searchable
within a minute of having been posted to the list.  It isn't Mailman
specific, and I'm hosting archives for lists that use other products
as well as my Mailman lists.  To the mailing list system the archiver
simply looks like another subscriber.

http://search.bikelist.org is the user interface for it.

My current archive has 341,509 messages (1.5gb) and the catalog file
is 340megs.

alex




From honerkamp at danet.com  Tue Feb 12 23:13:55 2002
From: honerkamp at danet.com (Robbie Honerkamp)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:13:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and qmail and vpopmail, oh my..
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020212170630.00a67ff0@wheresmymailserver.com>

Fast question: Can I configure mailman to recognize two mail UIDs?

Long version:

I'm running qmail and vpopmail. vpopmail is a virtual domain system that 
works with
qmail.

Both programs have their own UIDs: Qmail uses 1012, vpopmail uses 89. Both 
interact
with Mailman. Obviously this causes a problem:

    Feb 12 15:41:42 server1 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. 
WANTED gid 89, GOT gid 1012.
    (Reconfigure to take 1012?)

I'm not yet up to speed enough with Python to go mucking around in the 
scripts.. are
there any other vpopmail users running Mailman who have solved this problem?

Thanks,
Robbie




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Feb 12 23:35:15 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:35:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing to plain text
Message-ID: <200202122235.g1CMZrcW002583@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I hope you can help.  we're using mailman for two lists for greyhound 
> rescue and adoption.  we would like to have the lists only accept plain 
> text but we can't seem to make it work that way.  there is an option to 
> check for plain text in the membership options and everyone has that 
> checked - we're still getting html formatted messages which make the 
> digests look terrible.
> 
> Is there a way to strip the html formatting before it reaches the list?  I 
> can't seem to find that option in the faq.  tech support at my isp don't 
> have a clue.

So, if I go to the FAQ and search for "HTML", I get a bunch of
hits; the third one is 1.8 How do I turn off HTML messages/attachments?
which is surely your man.

Upshot: only with external programs in MM 2.0.x.




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Feb 12 23:49:01 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:49:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature requests
Message-ID: <200202122249.g1CMndcW004068@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> It would be nice to search the membership list for a text string, to 
> find a particular bouncing member.

1) find_member does that from the command line
2) 2.1 has a feature like that on the web page (regexp, in fact)
 
> It would be nice to be able to download the mailing list.

You mean the subscriber roster?  There's list_members
(but not through the web interface AFAIK).





From grange at umich.edu  Wed Feb 13 00:05:46 2002
From: grange at umich.edu (Steve Gray)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:05:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Newbie Questions
Message-ID: <3C699FCA.EBD12ABC@umich.edu>

I'm new to Mailman and I couldn't find answers to these questions easily
in the documentation:

(1) I'm concerned about mailstorms. What storm prevention mechanisms are
in place? I can see that if we checked not metoo for every subscriber,
that would prevent mailstorms. I have the sense, though, that people
like getting copies of what they post so they can be sure it was posted.
Is there something else that addresses the mailstorm issue?

2) One of the lists I've been asked to set up is more of a newsletter
than a list. They want to be able to send messages to subscribers, but
don't want them to be able to talk back (other than to quit the list).
Will mailman let us do that?

Is there some other place I should be looking for answers to these type
of questions?

Steve

--
Steve Gray
Legal Services Technology Network
Ann Arbor, Michigan
734.998.6100 x.25
http://www.lstech.org





From rcs at malibyte.net  Wed Feb 13 01:56:53 2002
From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:56:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Minor Mailman problem
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202121652260.13286-100000@firefox.malibyte.net>

I received the monthly reminder from mailman earlier this month 
regarding the two mailing lists that I administer.  I noted an 
error in the message, as follows:

"If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to
mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain.  Thanks!"
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There's no problem with the domain name anywhere else.  Messages 
get through to the lists and the admin stuff is dealt with 
correctly.

I'm running 2.0.8-1 on RedHat Linux 7.2/kernel 2.4.9.

Any help in pinpointing the problem will be appreciated...thanks!

-- Bob --
________________________________________
Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA
http://www.malibyte.net

"The weather is here - wish you were beautiful." - J. Buffett





From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 12 23:16:42 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error decoding authorization cookie
References: <000801c1b3e3$1dee9e50$f901a8c0@glancynet.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c1b412$f3d3ce80$680ba8c0@mvbdc>

That's a browser specific problem.  What browser are you using?

Also, I have seen this problem with some IE installs where the standard security is properly set (note, it is NOT set too high).  To get IE to work in this circumstance you will have to mark the site as a trusted site in your browser.

Jon Carnes
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:34 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error decoding authorization cookie


  Every time I try to admin the site I receive  "Error decoding authorization cookie" Any suggestions on how to fix this.

  Martin Gnyp
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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 12 23:41:24 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:41:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts
References: <2695-Tue12Feb2002102343-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG>
Message-ID: <010f01c1b416$67ea40d0$680ba8c0@mvbdc>

Interesting.  That wouldn't be too hard to write up...  For my purposes I
just toss anything that gets held and I like that setup, but I can see your
point.

Still the real solution here is to stop spam from entering your site period.
You should look at using the RBL and a few other anti-spaming tools.  These
are all part of your MTA.  And really that is where anti-spam measure really
should be taken...

Jon Carnes (just one man's opinion...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "WJCarpenter" <bill-mailman at carpenter.ORG>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts


> [[This is so irritating (after a while) that I can't believe it's not
> a more popular gripe.  Feel free to rub my nose in the obvious
> solution.]]
>
> I help run a very low volume mailing list.  Most days, there are no
> postings.  Sometimes weeks can go by with no postings.  Every day,
> though, we get lots of spam.  On weekends, it's at least a couple
> dozen a day.  All of this spam gets trapped by the "members only" list
> option.
>
> So far, so good.
>
> It's sort of tedious to go through the web interface to clear out
> 50-100 spams.  Click, scroll, click, scroll, ... fall asleep, click,
> scroll, ....
>
> I wish one of these things were available:
>
> 1.  A configuration setting that would automatically "reject"
> non-member postings, just as if I had gone through the web interface
> and selected "reject" for each message.  (We don't want to
> automatically "discard" non-member posts because we do get the
> occasional legit non-member posting.  That's the same reason we don't
> run a spam filter that silently discards traffic.)
>
> -or-
>
> 2.  A configuration setting that would automatically mark non-member
> postings as "reject" instead of "defer" in the web interface.  That
> way, we'd just have to do one submit to clear out the crap and then
> could easily see if there was something interesting in the queue.
>
> So, is there anything like either of those in some place I haven't
> looked?
> --
> bill at carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter)    PGP 0x91865119
> 38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25    73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mike at netlyncs.com  Wed Feb 13 05:11:49 2002
From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:11:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin features via email vs web
Message-ID: <008101c1b444$8f5ce450$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com>

Can an admin do mailman functions via email, like approve emails on a
moderated list, instead of using the web?

Mike Chambers
Madisonville, KY
Netlyncs




From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Wed Feb 13 09:31:43 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:31:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error decoding authorization cookie
In-Reply-To: <000801c1b3e3$1dee9e50$f901a8c0@glancynet.com>
References: <000801c1b3e3$1dee9e50$f901a8c0@glancynet.com>
Message-ID: <20020213083143.GA6721@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 11:34:18AM -0500,
 Martin <martin at glancynet.com> wrote 
 a message of 38 lines which said:

> Every time I try to admin the site I receive  "Error decoding authorization cookie" Any suggestions on how to fix this.

I've seen the problem with Konqueror but it was apparently because I
changed the URL in the list configuration and Mailman was confused by
the old cookie. Suppressing the cookie solved the problem (try with a
fresh browser, one which does not have the cookie, to be sure).




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Feb 13 10:54:02 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:54:02 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing to plain text
In-Reply-To: <200202122235.g1CMZrcW002583@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213095221.03c99920@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:35 12/02/2002 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:

> > I hope you can help.  we're using mailman for two lists for greyhound
> > rescue and adoption.  we would like to have the lists only accept plain
> > text but we can't seem to make it work that way.  there is an option to
> > check for plain text in the membership options and everyone has that
> > checked - we're still getting html formatted messages which make the
> > digests look terrible.
> >
> > Is there a way to strip the html formatting before it reaches the list?  I
> > can't seem to find that option in the faq.  tech support at my isp don't
> > have a clue.
>
>So, if I go to the FAQ and search for "HTML", I get a bunch of
>hits; the third one is 1.8 How do I turn off HTML messages/attachments?
>which is surely your man.
>
>Upshot: only with external programs in MM 2.0.x.

That is not what the FAQ entry 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp says. 
It also refers to a patch for Mailman that works well:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103 



>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Wed Feb 13 11:53:36 2002
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:53:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem changing defaults
Message-ID: <20020213115334.D12635@belnet.be>

Hello,
Just installed mailman and made a test list. All works fine except some
minor inconveniences. I can't seem to change the defaults.
I would like to change DEFAULT_LOGOS, DEFAULT_HOSTNAME, DEFAULT_URL As
said in the instructions you must add this to mm_cfg.py file (which I
copied first from mm_cfg.py.dist) However no change. I browsed the
mailing list and somebody suggested removing the corresponding .pyc
file. Doesn't solve my problem either.

Is there some magic trick?

Regards
-Jeroen-

-- 
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
http://www.belnet.be



From mer9990 at lion.kingsley.co.za  Wed Feb 13 13:11:57 2002
From: mer9990 at lion.kingsley.co.za (Kingsley Tech User)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:11:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping users from sending posts
Message-ID: <20020213141157.D12024@lion.kingsley.co.za>

Hi All

How can i stop subscribers from sending mail to the list?
The thing is that I have a weekly newsletter I want to send 
to the list of subscribers, but I don't want anyone but myself
to be able to send to the list.  It's not gonna be a 
discussion list, but more a newsletter / info update list.

I see in the config that you can either have everyone or only
subscribers sending to the list, but I want nobody but myself
to be able to do this.

Many thanks

Wadeegh Hendricks (Cape Town, South Africa)



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Feb 13 13:18:57 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:18:57 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem changing defaults
In-Reply-To: <20020213115334.D12635@belnet.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213121631.03bf7260@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:53 13/02/2002 +0100, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
>Hello,
>Just installed mailman and made a test list. All works fine except some
>minor inconveniences. I can't seem to change the defaults.
>I would like to change DEFAULT_LOGOS, DEFAULT_HOSTNAME, DEFAULT_URL As
>said in the instructions you must add this to mm_cfg.py file (which I
>copied first from mm_cfg.py.dist) However no change. I browsed the
>mailing list and somebody suggested removing the corresponding .pyc
>file. Doesn't solve my problem either.

Don't mean to be rude but you are editing the mm_cfg.py that doing 'make 
install' put in file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and not the one in your 
Mailman build directory?

>Is there some magic trick?
>
>Regards
>-Jeroen-
>
>--
>jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
>http://www.belnet.be
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Feb 13 13:25:23 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:25:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping users from sending posts
In-Reply-To: <20020213141157.D12024@lion.kingsley.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213121927.03c05910@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:11 13/02/2002 +0200, Kingsley Tech User wrote:
>Hi All
>
>How can i stop subscribers from sending mail to the list?
>The thing is that I have a weekly newsletter I want to send
>to the list of subscribers, but I don't want anyone but myself
>to be able to send to the list.  It's not gonna be a
>discussion list, but more a newsletter / info update list.
>
>I see in the config that you can either have everyone or only
>subscribers sending to the list, but I want nobody but myself
>to be able to do this.

Assuming you are using MM 2.0.X, if you read ALL the 'details' provided on 
the admin GUI Privacy Options page for the three options under the 
sub-heading 'General posting filters' you will see how to achieve your 
objective.

>Many thanks
>
>Wadeegh Hendricks (Cape Town, South Africa)
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Wed Feb 13 14:05:24 2002
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:05:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem changing defaults
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213121631.03bf7260@pop.ftel.co.uk>; from R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:18:57PM +0000
References: <20020213115334.D12635@belnet.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020213121631.03bf7260@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020213140522.E12635@belnet.be>

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:18:57PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote:
> Don't mean to be rude but you are editing the mm_cfg.py that doing 'make 
> install' put in file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and not the one in your 
> Mailman build directory?

Do you mean, one must recompile everytime you change these defaults?

Indeed I'm editing $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py since this is instructed in
the manual.
I quote from the manual
 
    - The file $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py contains a number of
      defaults for your installation.  If any of these are incorrect,
      override them in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, NOT IN Defaults.py!
      See the comments in Defaults.py for details.  Once a list is
      created, editing many of these variables will have no effect
      (you need to configure your lists through the web admin
      interface or through the command line script bin/config_list).

Where prefix is your install dir.
Can somebody clarify this?


-- 
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
http://www.belnet.be



From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Feb 13 14:16:16 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:16:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts
In-Reply-To: <010f01c1b416$67ea40d0$680ba8c0@mvbdc>
References: <2695-Tue12Feb2002102343-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG> <010f01c1b416$67ea40d0$680ba8c0@mvbdc>
Message-ID: <20020213131616.9202A8742@camel.lrllamas.com>

I agree with you on stopping spam prior to reaching the list(s),  but some 
times it takes a long time before the spammers IP address hits the RBL(s)
(I have 6 RBL entries in my postfix config - ORBIZ, RBL, DS etc.)
There is just no good reason NOT to have the option to auto reject admin 
requests based on a simple set of paramaters - IP or DNS block.
The RBL list_reject function will catch up after a while, but until that time
I could be preemptive and take immediate action. ALSO (wish list)
A list of banned address prevented from posting a subscription request.

On Tuesday 12 February 2002 05:41 pm, you wrote:
> Interesting.  That wouldn't be too hard to write up...  For my purposes I
> just toss anything that gets held and I like that setup, but I can see your
> point.
>
> Still the real solution here is to stop spam from entering your site
> period. You should look at using the RBL and a few other anti-spaming
> tools.  These are all part of your MTA.  And really that is where anti-spam
> measure really should be taken...
>
> Jon Carnes (just one man's opinion...)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WJCarpenter" <bill-mailman at carpenter.ORG>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:23 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts
>
> > [[This is so irritating (after a while) that I can't believe it's not
> > a more popular gripe.  Feel free to rub my nose in the obvious
> > solution.]]
> >
> > I help run a very low volume mailing list.  Most days, there are no
> > postings.  Sometimes weeks can go by with no postings.  Every day,
> > though, we get lots of spam.  On weekends, it's at least a couple
> > dozen a day.  All of this spam gets trapped by the "members only" list
> > option.
> >
> > So far, so good.
> >
> > It's sort of tedious to go through the web interface to clear out
> > 50-100 spams.  Click, scroll, click, scroll, ... fall asleep, click,
> > scroll, ....
> >
> > I wish one of these things were available:
> >
> > 1.  A configuration setting that would automatically "reject"
> > non-member postings, just as if I had gone through the web interface
> > and selected "reject" for each message.  (We don't want to
> > automatically "discard" non-member posts because we do get the
> > occasional legit non-member posting.  That's the same reason we don't
> > run a spam filter that silently discards traffic.)
> >
> > -or-
> >
> > 2.  A configuration setting that would automatically mark non-member
> > postings as "reject" instead of "defer" in the web interface.  That
> > way, we'd just have to do one submit to clear out the crap and then
> > could easily see if there was something interesting in the queue.
> >
> > So, is there anything like either of those in some place I haven't
> > looked?
> > --
> > bill at carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter)    PGP 0x91865119
> > 38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25    73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Feb 13 14:19:08 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:19:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem changing defaults
In-Reply-To: <20020213140522.E12635@belnet.be>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213121631.03bf7260@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <20020213115334.D12635@belnet.be>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020213121631.03bf7260@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213131408.037dde50@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:05 13/02/2002 +0100, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:18:57PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote:
> > Don't mean to be rude but you are editing the mm_cfg.py that doing 'make
> > install' put in file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and not the one in your
> > Mailman build directory?
>
>Do you mean, one must recompile everytime you change these defaults?

I did not say anything like that.

>Indeed I'm editing $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py since this is instructed in
>the manual.
>I quote from the manual
>
>     - The file $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py contains a number of
>       defaults for your installation.  If any of these are incorrect,
>       override them in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, NOT IN Defaults.py!
>       See the comments in Defaults.py for details.  Once a list is
>       created, editing many of these variables will have no effect
>       (you need to configure your lists through the web admin
>       interface or through the command line script bin/config_list).
>
>Where prefix is your install dir.
>Can somebody clarify this?

My original question was intended to clarify that you had done the right thing.

Some changes in defaults put in mm_cfg.py do not affect existing mail lists 
because the default value is transferred into the list's own config when 
the list is created. It might be worth creating a second test list and 
seeing if that picks up the original or revised defaults.


>--
>jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
>http://www.belnet.be
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From davekle at city-net.com  Wed Feb 13 14:49:50 2002
From: davekle at city-net.com (David Kleber)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:49:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy settings
Message-ID: <00f301c1b495$4f617b80$402690c6@davekle>

Okay, please be easy on me 'cause I'm really a newbe at this...

I've been running my first mail list with version 2.0.8 for about 8 months
and I'm having a hard time understanding the proper privacy settings.

Here's the way I need to have my list set up:

I only want to give a few people posting privileges to my list WITHOUT the
messages being held for approval.  I would like some of these addresses to
be able to post without approval who are NOT subscribers to my list.

I want the rest of the list subscribers to be able to post, but I DO want
their posts to be held for approval.

Could someone please tell me if what I'm trying to do is possible and if so
what the proper combination of settings would be in the General Posting
Filter section under the Privacy Settings in the Administrative Interface?

    - Must posts be approved by an administrator?

    - Restrict posting privilege to list members?

    - And of course I understand that I will need to list the specific
e-mail addresses in the "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this
list without implicit approval requirement" field.

Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide.

-Dave Kleber, KB3FXI
www.PA-SitRep.com
http://pa-sitrep.com/mailman/listinfo/pa_pa-sitrep.com




From rlfrank at paradigm-omega.com  Wed Feb 13 15:41:37 2002
From: rlfrank at paradigm-omega.com (Robin Lynn Frank)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:41:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this possible?
Message-ID: <20020213144141.5295.53699.TMDA@omega.paradigm-omega.net>

We have Mailman installed on a Mandrake Linux 8.1.  We have been testing 
internally on our LAN as a local mailing list and it works as advertised.

Now, here comes the really strange question.  Our office is in a very remote 
area and uses solar power as its sole source of electricity.  For that 
reason, 24/7 computer operation and static IP addresses are not possible.  We 
have the usual hosted web and mail services.  The email client used here is 
capable of redirecting mail to a specific address (ie., 
list at paradigm-omega.com) to a local address such as list at localhost..  My 
question is can anyone tell me if this approach will work, or if there is a 
better way??  TIA!
-- 
Robin Lynn Frank
Director of Operations
Paradigm-Omega, LLC

Current Linux kernel 2.4.8-26mdk uptime: 1 hour 0 minutes.
(This computer runs on solar power.
Do not look for long uptimes.)
 www.paradigm-omega.com * www.paradigm-omega.net



From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Wed Feb 13 16:00:27 2002
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:00:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem changing defaults
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213131408.037dde50@pop.ftel.co.uk>; from R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:19:08PM +0000
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213121631.03bf7260@pop.ftel.co.uk> <20020213115334.D12635@belnet.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020213121631.03bf7260@pop.ftel.co.uk> <20020213140522.E12635@belnet.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020213131408.037dde50@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020213160024.Q12635@belnet.be>

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:19:08PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote:
> I did not say anything like that.

Oke, sorry I misunderstood you

> Some changes in defaults put in mm_cfg.py do not affect existing mail lists 
> because the default value is transferred into the list's own config when 
> the list is created. It might be worth creating a second test list and 
> seeing if that picks up the original or revised defaults.

Oke, I tried this. Created a second list afther I edited the mm_cfg.py
file. However no luck. Same problem.

I removed Mailman from the system. Reconfigured and recompiled.
Now with this fresh install when I point my browser to the url
http://vivaldi.belnet.be/mailman/listinfo/
I don't have the images displayed at the bottom of the page although I
have the var IMAGE_LOGOS set. There is also an email address which is
incorrect On the page it says "(Send questions or comments to
mailman-owner at vivaldi.)" although I have the DEFAULT_HOSTNAME set to
'vivaldi.belnet.be'

So I would guess I am doing something wrong with mm_cfg.py file?

Thanks
-Jeroen-

-- 
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
http://www.belnet.be



From rommel at suse.de  Wed Feb 13 16:27:41 2002
From: rommel at suse.de (Heiko Rommel)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:27:41 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] value of Sender: field for outgoing member
 postings
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202121317390.7993-100000@Poincare.suse.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0202131623480.29367-100000@Poincare.suse.de>

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Heiko Rommel wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to set the Sender field for outgoing messages to
>
> Sender: owner-<listname>@some.domain
>
> instead of
>
> Sender: <listname>-admin at some.domain
>
> How can this be accomplished ?
> What kind of problems will I have to face (if any) ?
>
> Heiko
>
> BTW: Mailman version 2.0.8
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

A colleague of mine helped me with this.
He wrote:

---- snip ----

It looks like this is hardcoded and mailman creators won't let it to be
modified. So, you can change 'GetAdminEmail' in MailList.py to your needs.
It is very easy, but notice, that even in current CVS there is no move to make
it configuratable -- so, you'll probably have to patch it every time... :-(

It is easy, just change:
    def GetAdminEmail(self):
                return '%s-admin@%s' % (self._internal_name, self.host_name)

to:
    def GetAdminEmail(self):
                return 'owner-%s@%s' % (self._internal_name, self.host_name)

---- snip ----

Works fine.
However, one should add an alias owner-<listname> to the list of aliases.




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb 13 14:37:01 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this possible?
References: <20020213144141.5295.53699.TMDA@omega.paradigm-omega.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c1b493$85372360$680ba8c0@mvbdc>

Should work fine.  I assume that your mail is queued up for you while your
site is down...

You will need internal aliases for the list itself and for the list-request
address as well as the list-admin address.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Lynn Frank" <rlfrank at paradigm-omega.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this possible?


> We have Mailman installed on a Mandrake Linux 8.1.  We have been testing
> internally on our LAN as a local mailing list and it works as advertised.
>
> Now, here comes the really strange question.  Our office is in a very
remote
> area and uses solar power as its sole source of electricity.  For that
> reason, 24/7 computer operation and static IP addresses are not possible.
We
> have the usual hosted web and mail services.  The email client used here
is
> capable of redirecting mail to a specific address (ie.,
> list at paradigm-omega.com) to a local address such as list at localhost..  My
> question is can anyone tell me if this approach will work, or if there is
a
> better way??  TIA!
> --
> Robin Lynn Frank
> Director of Operations
> Paradigm-Omega, LLC
>
> Current Linux kernel 2.4.8-26mdk uptime: 1 hour 0 minutes.
> (This computer runs on solar power.
> Do not look for long uptimes.)
>  www.paradigm-omega.com * www.paradigm-omega.net
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb 13 14:46:30 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:46:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts
References: <2695-Tue12Feb2002102343-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG> <010f01c1b416$67ea40d0$680ba8c0@mvbdc> <20020213131616.9202A8742@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c1b494$d830f090$680ba8c0@mvbdc>

Interestingly enough, both Sendmail and Postfix have the options you
mentioned.  In sendmail you would typically edit the /etc/mail/access file
and then run "make".

The nice thing about that file is that you can reject from any ip or
ip-range and provide a clear reject message as to why they are being
rejected.  I do this all the time (while waiting for a site to bet blasted
via the RBL of my choice).
BTW: I have found that SpamCop is a good way of busting new IP-ranges and
getting them added quickly to the reject list.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay S Curtis" <camel at lrllamas.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts


> I agree with you on stopping spam prior to reaching the list(s),  but some
> times it takes a long time before the spammers IP address hits the RBL(s)
> (I have 6 RBL entries in my postfix config - ORBIZ, RBL, DS etc.)
> There is just no good reason NOT to have the option to auto reject admin
> requests based on a simple set of paramaters - IP or DNS block.
> The RBL list_reject function will catch up after a while, but until that
time
> I could be preemptive and take immediate action. ALSO (wish list)
> A list of banned address prevented from posting a subscription request.
>
> On Tuesday 12 February 2002 05:41 pm, you wrote:
> > Interesting.  That wouldn't be too hard to write up...  For my purposes
I
> > just toss anything that gets held and I like that setup, but I can see
your
> > point.
> >
> > Still the real solution here is to stop spam from entering your site
> > period. You should look at using the RBL and a few other anti-spaming
> > tools.  These are all part of your MTA.  And really that is where
anti-spam
> > measure really should be taken...
> >
> > Jon Carnes (just one man's opinion...)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "WJCarpenter" <bill-mailman at carpenter.ORG>
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:23 PM
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts
> >
> > > [[This is so irritating (after a while) that I can't believe it's not
> > > a more popular gripe.  Feel free to rub my nose in the obvious
> > > solution.]]
> > >
> > > I help run a very low volume mailing list.  Most days, there are no
> > > postings.  Sometimes weeks can go by with no postings.  Every day,
> > > though, we get lots of spam.  On weekends, it's at least a couple
> > > dozen a day.  All of this spam gets trapped by the "members only" list
> > > option.
> > >
> > > So far, so good.
> > >
> > > It's sort of tedious to go through the web interface to clear out
> > > 50-100 spams.  Click, scroll, click, scroll, ... fall asleep, click,
> > > scroll, ....
> > >
> > > I wish one of these things were available:
> > >
> > > 1.  A configuration setting that would automatically "reject"
> > > non-member postings, just as if I had gone through the web interface
> > > and selected "reject" for each message.  (We don't want to
> > > automatically "discard" non-member posts because we do get the
> > > occasional legit non-member posting.  That's the same reason we don't
> > > run a spam filter that silently discards traffic.)
> > >
> > > -or-
> > >
> > > 2.  A configuration setting that would automatically mark non-member
> > > postings as "reject" instead of "defer" in the web interface.  That
> > > way, we'd just have to do one submit to clear out the crap and then
> > > could easily see if there was something interesting in the queue.
> > >
> > > So, is there anything like either of those in some place I haven't
> > > looked?
> > > --
> > > bill at carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter)    PGP 0x91865119
> > > 38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25    73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Wed Feb 13 17:53:22 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:53:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Beginner] Moving a mailing list to another machine
In-Reply-To: <20020212095149.GA11750@netaktiv.com>
References: <20020212095149.GA11750@netaktiv.com>
Message-ID: <20020213165322.GA13983@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 10:51:49AM +0100,
 Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com> wrote 
 a message of 14 lines which said:

> I'm trying to move many lists from one machine to another. Is it
> sufficient to move /var/lib/mailman/lists and
> /var/lib/mailman/archives and the aliases file or are there other
> things I should take care of?

Well, noone replied but I tried and apparently it works. Pay attention
to owner/protections and do not forget to read the error log file
afterwards.




From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Wed Feb 13 18:03:17 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:03:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the list password (when you do not know it)
Message-ID: <20020213170317.GA14465@staff.netaktiv.com>

How can I change the list password when I forgot (actually never knew)
it? config_list does not save it in its output file.

Dumping the list, deleting and recreating?






From morgan at hahaha.org  Wed Feb 13 18:03:59 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:03:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message body filtering?
Message-ID: <878z9x2u0w.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

The list admin I'm working with filters for expletives with majordomo, and
redirects matching posts to his admin queue. Is there a way to filter the
message body with Mailman?

Morgan



From bill-mailman at carpenter.ORG  Wed Feb 13 20:03:11 2002
From: bill-mailman at carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:03:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-rejecting non-subscriber posts
In-Reply-To: <010f01c1b416$67ea40d0$680ba8c0@mvbdc>
References: <2695-Tue12Feb2002102343-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG>
	<010f01c1b416$67ea40d0$680ba8c0@mvbdc>
	<20020213131616.9202A8742@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <2127-Wed13Feb2002110311-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG>

jon> Interesting.  That wouldn't be too hard to write up...  For my
jon> purposes I just toss anything that gets held and I like that
jon> setup, but I can see your point.

Well, if "just toss everything" means cranking through the web
interface and clicking "discard" for each, that's the same amount of
tediousness.  If you mean just periodically ditching messages from the
mailman queue behind the scenes, that's not an option for everybody.

Also, don't forget that not everyone who admins a mailing list is also
an admin for the machine (and maybe they don't even have shell access,
etc).

jon> Still the real solution here is to stop spam from entering your
jon> site period.  You should look at using the RBL and a few other

jay> I agree with you on stopping spam prior to reaching the list(s),
jay> but some times it takes a long time before the spammers IP

Well, yes and no.  It's a bit of "wrong tool for the job".

In my particular case, I just want to make it easier to administer a
members-only list.  Mailman is very close to giving me just what I
want.  It knows exactly who the list members are without any guesswork
at all.  It's not clear to me that doing RBLs, blacklists, and other
anti-spam stuff would be less hassle in the end.  They're all
heuristic in at least some minimal sense.

If someone gets a bounce that says something to the effect of "members
only, subscribe and then post", it's easy for them to fix that up
themselves.  (In fact, most of the time they may have just sent their
posting from the wrong variation on their personal email address
collection.  Other times they just didn't realize the list was
members-only; maybe they just browse the archives periodically to read
it.)

If someone gets a bounce that says something to the effect of "we
think your ISP harbors spammers, so make them fix it or go away",
that's a lot trickier for someone to get past.  Some people don't have
a different account/place from which to send mail.  If that's so, they
can't even send the admin a message asking to be approved on a one-off
basis.  That's an OK policy for many mailing lists (e.g., "Big Tom's
Fly Fishing and Croquet Interest Group"), but for lots of other lists
unfettered community input can be rather more important (ie, most IETF
lists and the like).

Anyhow, this isn't meant as a rant against various anti-spam measures.
They certainly have their place and proven value in many contexts.
RBLs, etc, are certainly the "real solution" for some problems, but
not for this one.  I'm just looking for the greater precision a
Mailman solution could give.

Thanks!
-- 
bill at carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter)    PGP 0x91865119
38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25    73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3




From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Feb 13 20:53:04 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:53:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the list password (when you do not
 know it)
In-Reply-To: <20020213170317.GA14465@staff.netaktiv.com>
References: <20020213170317.GA14465@staff.netaktiv.com>
Message-ID: <p05101400b89073e94c23@[207.149.192.229]>

At 18:03 +0100 2/13/2002, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>How can I change the list password when I forgot (actually never knew)
>it? config_list does not save it in its output file.
>
>Dumping the list, deleting and recreating?

It depends.  If you control the site and know the Mailman site password,
log into the list's admin pages with that password and change the list
password.  If you aren't in that position, request that service of the
provider.

If you (or the provider's people) also don't know the site password, run
the script (or have them run it) which sets the site password, then return
to the first paragraph.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From solignani at solignani.it  Wed Feb 13 21:02:29 2002
From: solignani at solignani.it (Solignani Tiziano)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:02:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing request of subscription result page
Message-ID: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPEEGKCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>

How can 	 change this text?

"Confirmation from your email address is required, to prevent anyone from
subscribing you without permission. Instructions are being sent to you at
tiziolonne at libero.it. Please note your subscription will not start until you
confirm your subscription. "

I went to etc/mailman, saw the templates but it seems that text is provided
by a variable.

Do you know where I can change it?

This is English and confuses some users of mine...

Thank you.


---- Avv. Tiziano Solignani
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From jllanos at kictribe.org  Wed Feb 13 23:01:45 2002
From: jllanos at kictribe.org (James A Llanos Jr)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:01:45 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <BIEMIJDMLDAKFBGJIEICOEDOCDAA.jllanos@kictribe.org>


I am a site administrator and while working with Mailman I attempted to
discard or reject a notice going to my helpdesk emailing list and this is
the error I get. What do I do?











Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3


We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

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From jllanos at kictribe.org  Wed Feb 13 23:17:33 2002
From: jllanos at kictribe.org (James A Llanos Jr)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:17:33 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help?
Message-ID: <BIEMIJDMLDAKFBGJIEICEEDPCDAA.jllanos@kictribe.org>

I am a site administrator and while working with Mailman I attempted to
discard or reject a notice going to my helpdesk emailing list and this is
the error I get. What do I do?


BUG in Mailman version 2.0.3

We?re sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
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From greve at gnu.org  Wed Feb 13 17:13:21 2002
From: greve at gnu.org (Georg C. F. Greve)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:13:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with private archive in mailman 2.0.8
Message-ID: <m3r8npicm6.fsf@reason.gnu-hamburg>

Hi all,

I'm having a problem with Mailman 2.0.8 under Debian GNU/Linux that I
can't track down right now, so I thought I'd ask on this list.

The FSF Europe is running a list with a private list archive and when
people try to access that archive, they get prompted for login/email
and password.

When both are entered, one gets to the archive-overview, but when
selecting the actual threads/authors/full archive or anything else,
the password screen pops back up.

The problem existed under Galeon & Mozilla with Cookies enabled, so it
seems to be on the side of mailman. Unfortunately the mailman logfiles
seem to contain no information about the nature of the problem.

Any help would be appreciated,

Regards,
Georg

-- 
Georg C. F. Greve                                       <greve at gnu.org>
Free Software Foundation Europe	                 (http://fsfeurope.org)
Brave GNU World	                           (http://brave-gnu-world.org)
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From spjaiswal at pacific.net.sg  Thu Feb 14 10:16:42 2002
From: spjaiswal at pacific.net.sg (Om Prakas)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:16:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with MailMan
Message-ID: <00fb01c1b538$51430fb0$b800a8c0@OPJAISWAL>

i have a problem with my mailman setting or configuration.. i use sendmail only. and this wat i get when i do a test using the test list.

when i send a email this is the reply:
  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<test at sdslhub.com>
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 <test at sdslhub.com>... User unknown)

Why is this so? i dunt know why i get this. please help me.


Om Prakas
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Feb 14 00:00:27 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:00:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing to plain text
Message-ID: <200202132301.g1DN16cW028907@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> > > Is there a way to strip the html formatting before it reaches the list?  I
> > > can't seem to find that option in the faq.  tech support at my isp don't
> > > have a clue.
> >
> >So, if I go to the FAQ and search for "HTML", I get a bunch of
> >hits; the third one is 1.8 How do I turn off HTML messages/attachments?
> >which is surely your man.
> >
> >Upshot: only with external programs in MM 2.0.x.
> 
> That is not what the FAQ entry 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp says. 
> It also refers to a patch for Mailman that works well:
> 
> 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&ati
d=300103 

Yeah.  If you'll look at the edit history for that FAQ entry, you'll
see that I added that URL after the first person told me about
that patch.




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Feb 14 00:04:25 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:04:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the list password (when you do not know it)
Message-ID: <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> How can I change the list password when I forgot (actually never knew)
> it? config_list does not save it in its output file.
> 
> Dumping the list, deleting and recreating?

This, too, is answered in the FAQ.




From mer9990 at lion.kingsley.co.za  Thu Feb 14 09:25:34 2002
From: mer9990 at lion.kingsley.co.za (Kingsley Tech User)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:25:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman mail and web question
Message-ID: <20020214102534.A3355@lion.kingsley.co.za>

Hi

Can mailman use mail and web servers running on seperate other
machines.  The webserver seems easy to do, but how does the 
mail server config then change?

Thanks

Wadeegh



From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Thu Feb 14 09:42:02 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:42:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the list password (when you do not know it)
In-Reply-To: <20020213170317.GA14465@staff.netaktiv.com>
References: <20020213170317.GA14465@staff.netaktiv.com>
Message-ID: <20020214084202.GC32160@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 06:03:17PM +0100,
 Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com> wrote 
 a message of 11 lines which said:

> How can I change the list password when I forgot (actually never knew)
> it? config_list does not save it in its output file.

Thanks to Matthew Malthouse and John W Baxter, the solution is to use
the site password (I know it).

The trick is that the admin Web page asks you for the "Current
password" of the list and, since I do not know it, I had to give the
present SITE password. Then, in the "New password" field, I indicate
the new LIST password. Confusing but it works ("Thou can use the site
password each time the list password is asked")




From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Thu Feb 14 09:43:54 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:43:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the list password (when you do not know it)
In-Reply-To: <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <20020214084354.GD32160@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 03:04:25PM -0800,
 Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM> wrote 
 a message of 7 lines which said:

> > How can I change the list password when I forgot (actually never knew)
...
> This, too, is answered in the FAQ.

No, the FAQ <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html> does
not mention changing passwords.



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Feb 14 12:08:11 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:08:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the list password (when you do
  not know it)
In-Reply-To: <20020214084354.GD32160@staff.netaktiv.com>
References: <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
 <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214110716.03d35770@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:43 14/02/2002 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 03:04:25PM -0800,
>  Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM> wrote
>  a message of 7 lines which said:
>
> > > How can I change the list password when I forgot (actually never knew)
>...
> > This, too, is answered in the FAQ.
>
>No, the FAQ <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html> does
>not mention changing passwords.
Wrong FAQ: see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Thu Feb 14 12:33:41 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:33:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Better two than none? (Was: Changing the list password (when you do not know it)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214110716.03d35770@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <5.1.0.14.2.20020214110716.03d35770@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020214113341.GA13372@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 11:08:11AM +0000,
 Richard Barrett <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk> wrote 
 a message of 12 lines which said:

> >> This, too, is answered in the FAQ.
> >
> >No, the FAQ <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html> does
> >not mention changing passwords.
> Wrong FAQ: see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Great, there are two FAQ and the second one is referenced from the
first, in the "How do you spell Mailman" section, whih I always
ignored :-(

And why at python.org and not on Mailman's site?



From jonc at haht.com  Thu Feb 14 17:18:03 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:18:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Better two than none? (Was: Changing the list password (when you do not know it)
References: <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <5.1.0.14.2.20020214110716.03d35770@pop.ftel.co.uk> <20020214113341.GA13372@staff.netaktiv.com>
Message-ID: <003201c1b573$2f2d77e0$060ba8c0@mv.haht.com>

Understandable confusion.  This "list of mailman users" maintains its own
FAQ (the one at Python).  The older FAQ at gnu.org was not being updated and
it gets tiring (and a bit ridiculous) to answer the same question over a
hundred times.

I only wish that the footer for this list indicated the FAQ for this list.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com>
To: "Richard Barrett" <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:33 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Better two than none? (Was: Changing the list
password (when you do not know it)


> On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 11:08:11AM +0000,
>  Richard Barrett <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk> wrote
>  a message of 12 lines which said:
>
> > >> This, too, is answered in the FAQ.
> > >
> > >No, the FAQ <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html> does
> > >not mention changing passwords.
> > Wrong FAQ: see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> Great, there are two FAQ and the second one is referenced from the
> first, in the "How do you spell Mailman" section, whih I always
> ignored :-(
>
> And why at python.org and not on Mailman's site?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Feb 14 17:50:51 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:50:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing request of subscription result page
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPEEGKCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>
References: <NEBBKJCPCKCIAPHDDMGPEEGKCKAA.solignani@solignani.it>
Message-ID: <p05101401b891990173c1@[207.149.192.229]>

At 21:02 +0100 2/13/2002, Solignani Tiziano wrote:
>"Confirmation from your email address is required, to prevent anyone from
>subscribing you without permission. Instructions are being sent to you at
>tiziolonne at libero.it. Please note your subscription will not start until you
>confirm your subscription. "
>
>I went to etc/mailman, saw the templates but it seems that text is provided
>by a variable.
>
>Do you know where I can change it?
>
>This is English and confuses some users of mine...

The confirmation process confuses a significant number of
English-as-a-first-language people as well.

Not so much the above from the web page, but the message which requests
confirmation, which has both a subject and a beginning of the body which
can easily be read to mean "this is a confirmation of your subscription".
[If one reads the whole message, there's no confusion, but it's really
rather too easy to read a little and think..."Oh good, I've subscribed.
I'm done."]

We modified the email message for our purposes; I think things are improved
in Mailman 2.1.  You might want to subscribe to the "Playground" list at
http://mail.python.org/mailman-21/listinfo/playground

Also note that Mailman 2.1 has had a lot of internationalization work done
on it.  It is coming soon.

Iscriviti a Playground completando il seguente modulo.
   Ti verr? inviato un messaggio con richiesta di conferma, per evitare che
terzi possano cancellarti senza il tuo consensoQuesta ? una lista pubblica,
questo significa che la lista dei membri ? aperta a chiunque (ma noi
oscuriamo gli indirizzi affinch? non siano facilmente identificabili dagli
spammers).

(I don't know whether the accented characters will make it through.)
  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Feb 14 18:11:37 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:11:37 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Better two than none? (Was: Changing the
  list password (when you do not know it)
In-Reply-To: <003201c1b573$2f2d77e0$060ba8c0@mv.haht.com>
References: <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
 <200202132305.g1DN55cW029281@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020214110716.03d35770@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <20020214113341.GA13372@staff.netaktiv.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214170623.039ad528@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 08:18 14/02/2002 -0800, Jon Carnes wrote:
>Understandable confusion.  This "list of mailman users" maintains its own
>FAQ (the one at Python).  The older FAQ at gnu.org was not being updated and
>it gets tiring (and a bit ridiculous) to answer the same question over a
>hundred times.
>
>I only wish that the footer for this list indicated the FAQ for this list.
>
>Jon Carnes

Interesting you should say that as yesterday I e-mailed the following 
suggestion to Mailman-Users-admin at python.org in the hope it would get 
through the noise of the list and be acted upon. Only got a canned response 
saying don't expect a personal response. Don't much mind if the FAQ's URL 
is added to the list's footer.

I said:

It might be worth adding a link (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py) 
for the Mailman FAQ to the footers of mail distributed by the Mailman-Users 
list.

It would make the FAQ more accessible and might help reduce the incidence 
of repeated queries about some topics that are posted to the list.

Is it also worth adding a link to the FAQ to 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users, for the same reason?


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com>
>To: "Richard Barrett" <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk>
>Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:33 AM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Better two than none? (Was: Changing the list
>password (when you do not know it)
>
>
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 11:08:11AM +0000,
> >  Richard Barrett <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk> wrote
> >  a message of 12 lines which said:
> >
> > > >> This, too, is answered in the FAQ.
> > > >
> > > >No, the FAQ <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html> does
> > > >not mention changing passwords.
> > > Wrong FAQ: see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >
> > Great, there are two FAQ and the second one is referenced from the
> > first, in the "How do you spell Mailman" section, whih I always
> > ignored :-(
> >
> > And why at python.org and not on Mailman's site?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From nmontano at laplaza.org  Thu Feb 14 18:40:09 2002
From: nmontano at laplaza.org (Nancy Montano)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:40:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List members not receiving posts
Message-ID: <3C6BF679.2993AB71@laplaza.org>

I have a list where list members (who use us as their ISP and have email
accounts with us) are not receiving the posts. List members with
different domain email accounts are receiving the posts???? I received a
message from the server regarding a cron job.  Here is  the message.
What do I have to do to fix it?

Thanks in advance for any help.  Nancy

Your "cron" job on elvis
/usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue

produced the following output:

Logging error: <StampedLogger to
'/usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failures'>
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in
__get_f
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files')
Original log message:
(24, 'Too many open files')
Feb 14 06:43:24 2002 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['anthony at laplaza.org',
'anubis at laplaza.org', 'bhau at laplaza.org',
'billg at laplaza.org', 'bnorris at laplaza.org', 'carguel at laplaza.org',
'cgunn at laplaza.org', 'choopy at laplaza.org',
'cork at laplaza.org', 'darwincr at laplaza.org', 'delmargo at laplaza.org',
'ensenar at laplaza.org', 'erichwwk at laplaza.org',
'frannie at laplaza.org', 'fvuotto at laplaza.org', 'gnideon at laplaza.org',
'hartline at laplaza.org', 'hedlund at laplaza.org',
'helenh at laplaza.org', 'jdb at laplaza.org', 'jmstuts at laplaza.org',
'johncain at laplaza.org', 'jsc at laplaza.org',
'jtucker at laplaza.org', 'lafon at laplaza.org', 'leonila at laplaza.org',
'lknapp at laplaza.org', 'mats at laplaza.org',
'melrnap at laplaza.org', 'mitchell at laplaza.org', 'mjontill at laplaza.org',
'moody at laplaza.org', 'morten at laplaza.org',
'ms at laplaza.org', 'nmontano at laplaza.org', 'nobones at laplaza.org',
'outback at laplaza.org', 'pb at laplaza.org',
'pdone at laplaza.org', 'pterrym1 at laplaza.org', 'rjcain at laplaza.org',
'robinski at laplaza.org', 'tomashat at laplaza.org',
'totem at laplaza.org', 'tweety1 at laplaza.org', 'wayne at laplaza.org',
'wgrace at laplaza.org', 'wizard at laplaza.org']:
Feb 14 06:43:24 2002 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPSenderRefused  / (550, '5.0.0 Access
denied',
'anyone-admin at laplaza.org')  (deferred)
Feb 14 06:43:24 2002 TrySMTPDelivery:  MTA 'localhost' relaying
restrictions probably too strict
Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'>
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in
__get_f
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files')
Original log message:
(24, 'Too many open files')
Feb 14 06:43:24 2002 processQueue: Processing of queue file
/usr/local/mailman/data/mm_q.23495.1 failed:
Feb 14 06:43:24 2002 processQueue:       exceptions.IOError  / (24, 'Too
many open files')
Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'>
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in
__get_f
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files')
Original log message:
(24, 'Too many open files')
Feb 14 06:43:24 2002 processQueue: Processing of queue file
/usr/local/mailman/data/mm_q.23505.1 failed:
Feb 14 06:43:24 2002 processQueue:       exceptions.IOError  / (24, 'Too
many open files')


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From morgan at hahaha.org  Thu Feb 14 18:52:14 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:52:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering message body content?
Message-ID: <87ofishrxt.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

I asked this yesterday, got no reply, so again: Is there any way to filter
for message body content with Mailman?

Morgan





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Feb 14 19:32:26 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:32:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering message body content?
References: <87ofishrxt.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <010001c1b585$f3f96450$060ba8c0@mv.haht.com>

Not with Mailman.  You'll need to use a pre-processor like procmail (or
mimedefang).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Morgan Fletcher" <morgan at hahaha.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:52 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering message body content?


> I asked this yesterday, got no reply, so again: Is there any way to filter
> for message body content with Mailman?
>
> Morgan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From john at nisus.com  Thu Feb 14 21:31:34 2002
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:31:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the list password (when you do not
 know it)
Message-ID: <l03130331b891ce509144@[207.215.130.171]>

> At 2002-02-14 09:43:54 +0100 Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>> On Wed, 2002 Feb 13 at 15:04:25 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
>>> How can I change the list password when I forgot (actually never knew)
>> This, too, is answered in the FAQ.

> No, the FAQ <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html> does
> not mention changing passwords.

The other FAQ, which doesn't get mentioned quite enough:
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>


John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice
<http://gosc.nisus.com/~giovanni>                      <http://www.nisus.com>





From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Thu Feb 14 21:21:38 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:21:38 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setup
Message-ID: <02021507311700.05849@www>

I've just recently installed Mailman-2.0.8 with Python 1.5.2 on RedHat 6.1.

The installation went great until users try to subscribe.  Users can subscribe
OK via the web page but no confirmation email is sent and they are not added
to the list. The only email received by the user is an error message.
 
Any ideas on what I may have not carried out during the installation.

Greg



From mailman at midicase.com  Fri Feb 15 05:11:09 2002
From: mailman at midicase.com (Mike Goins)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:11:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Mohnarc
Message-ID: <001a01c1b5d6$cbf8e600$0200a8c0@se.mediaone.net>

I'm not to fond of Mailman's archiving system and 
would like to use Mohnarc (which I am already 
familiar with) instead.  Has anyone used both 
these together? If so, how?

Thanks

(searching the usual places did not yield anything(



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Feb 15 05:17:48 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:17:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Mohnarc
Message-ID: <200202150418.g1F4IScW007673@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I'm not to fond of Mailman's archiving system and 
> would like to use Mohnarc (which I am already 
> familiar with) instead.  Has anyone used both 
> these together? If so, how?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> (searching the usual places did not yield anything(

Apparently the 'usual places' don't include the FAQ?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.4




From aaron at mutualaid.org  Fri Feb 15 05:32:49 2002
From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:32:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck and not going out...
Message-ID: <010c01c1b5d9$d2e10ee0$9a9d5c42@partnersintl.net>

I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on FresBSD 4.5-RELEASE with Python 2.1.1 and
Apache 1.3.22...

None of my lists are sending out messages and qrunner seems to be stuck
attempting to resend the same messages, see below:

following is from ~/logs/post

Feb 14 21:09:14 2002 (10480) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 21:15:22 2002 (10780) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures
Feb 14 21:46:09 2002 (10780) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 21:51:56 2002 (11133) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures
Feb 14 22:16:04 2002 (11133) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 22:22:01 2002 (11313) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures
Feb 14 22:45:44 2002 (11313) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 22:50:51 2002 (11544) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures
Feb 14 23:15:45 2002 (11544) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 23:20:46 2002 (11910) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures

and the following is from ~/logs/smtp

Feb 14 21:09:14 2002 (10480) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1611.472
seconds
Feb 14 21:15:22 2002 (10780) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 321.519 seconds
Feb 14 21:46:09 2002 (10780) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1847.106
seconds
Feb 14 21:51:56 2002 (11133) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 296.023 seconds
Feb 14 22:16:04 2002 (11133) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1447.830
seconds
Feb 14 22:22:01 2002 (11313) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 301.015 seconds
Feb 14 22:45:44 2002 (11313) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1423.400
seconds
Feb 14 22:50:51 2002 (11544) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 291.205 seconds
Feb 14 23:15:45 2002 (11544) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1493.861
seconds
Feb 14 23:20:46 2002 (11910) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 286.054 seconds

A little help?

TIA,

Aaron






From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Feb 15 05:45:28 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:45:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck and not going out...
Message-ID: <200202150446.g1F4k7cW008054@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

See what your MTA is doing with those messages.  Mailman thinks
all the recipients failed.

> I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on FresBSD 4.5-RELEASE with Python 2.1.1 and
> Apache 1.3.22...
> 
> None of my lists are sending out messages and qrunner seems to be stuck
> attempting to resend the same messages, see below:
> 
> following is from ~/logs/post
> 
> Feb 14 21:09:14 2002 (10480) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 21:15:22 2002 (10780) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
> failures
> Feb 14 21:46:09 2002 (10780) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 21:51:56 2002 (11133) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
> failures
> Feb 14 22:16:04 2002 (11133) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 22:22:01 2002 (11313) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
> failures
> Feb 14 22:45:44 2002 (11313) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 22:50:51 2002 (11544) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
> failures
> Feb 14 23:15:45 2002 (11544) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 23:20:46 2002 (11910) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
> failures
> 
> and the following is from ~/logs/smtp
> 
> Feb 14 21:09:14 2002 (10480) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1611.472
> seconds
> Feb 14 21:15:22 2002 (10780) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 321.519 seconds
> Feb 14 21:46:09 2002 (10780) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1847.106
> seconds
> Feb 14 21:51:56 2002 (11133) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 296.023 seconds
> Feb 14 22:16:04 2002 (11133) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1447.830
> seconds
> Feb 14 22:22:01 2002 (11313) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 301.015 seconds
> Feb 14 22:45:44 2002 (11313) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1423.400
> seconds
> Feb 14 22:50:51 2002 (11544) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 291.205 seconds
> Feb 14 23:15:45 2002 (11544) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1493.861
> seconds
> Feb 14 23:20:46 2002 (11910) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 286.054 seconds
> 
> A little help?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From aaron at mutualaid.org  Fri Feb 15 07:07:59 2002
From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:07:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck and not going out...
References: <010c01c1b5d9$d2e10ee0$9a9d5c42@partnersintl.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c1b5e7$1ed82880$9a9d5c42@partnersintl.net>

The solution to my problem was to make the following changes to sendmail:

- turn off relay_based_on_mx
- turn on accept_unresolvable_domains.

once I did this, mailman released all of the messages it has been holding
for days...

----- Original Message -----
From: "aaron" <aaron at mutualaid.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:32 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck and not going out...


> I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on FresBSD 4.5-RELEASE with Python 2.1.1 and
> Apache 1.3.22...
>
> None of my lists are sending out messages and qrunner seems to be stuck
> attempting to resend the same messages, see below:
>
> following is from ~/logs/post
>
> Feb 14 21:09:14 2002 (10480) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org,
size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 21:15:22 2002 (10780) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367,
7
> failures
> Feb 14 21:46:09 2002 (10780) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org,
size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 21:51:56 2002 (11133) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367,
7
> failures
> Feb 14 22:16:04 2002 (11133) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org,
size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 22:22:01 2002 (11313) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367,
7
> failures
> Feb 14 22:45:44 2002 (11313) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org,
size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 22:50:51 2002 (11544) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367,
7
> failures
> Feb 14 23:15:45 2002 (11544) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org,
size=13253,
> 20 failures
> Feb 14 23:20:46 2002 (11910) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367,
7
> failures
>
> and the following is from ~/logs/smtp
>
> Feb 14 21:09:14 2002 (10480) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1611.472
> seconds
> Feb 14 21:15:22 2002 (10780) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 321.519
seconds
> Feb 14 21:46:09 2002 (10780) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1847.106
> seconds
> Feb 14 21:51:56 2002 (11133) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 296.023
seconds
> Feb 14 22:16:04 2002 (11133) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1447.830
> seconds
> Feb 14 22:22:01 2002 (11313) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 301.015
seconds
> Feb 14 22:45:44 2002 (11313) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1423.400
> seconds
> Feb 14 22:50:51 2002 (11544) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 291.205
seconds
> Feb 14 23:15:45 2002 (11544) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1493.861
> seconds
> Feb 14 23:20:46 2002 (11910) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 286.054
seconds
>
> A little help?
>
> TIA,
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From morgan at hahaha.org  Fri Feb 15 09:15:49 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:15:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting majordomo archives to pipermail
Message-ID: <87ofirgnyi.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

I've got 360MB of ASCII majordomo archives, all files in the form
listname.YYYYMM. I'd like to grandfather them into the pipermail archives
our list will be creating, once it's run by mailman.

How do the monthly text archives from majordomo correspond to the files
down in archives/private?

I tried concatenating the first six months of majordomo archives into
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox, then running 'bin/arch
listname'. It looked like it worked, but it's slow. I had to iterate the
process a couple times, because some old messages were misinterpreted as
very recent. (February 2002, instead of late 1996)

Is the mbox file just one giant text file that keeps growing?

Did I do it the right way? Is there any documentation for the version of
pipermail that comes with mailman?

Morgan



From bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com  Fri Feb 15 11:28:16 2002
From: bortzmeyer at netaktiv.com (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:28:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Setup
In-Reply-To: <02021507311700.05849@www>
References: <02021507311700.05849@www>
Message-ID: <20020215102816.GA32065@staff.netaktiv.com>

On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 07:21:38AM +1100,
 Greg Rees <greg at countryhardware.com.au> wrote 
 a message of 14 lines which said:

> OK via the web page but no confirmation email is sent and they are not added
> to the list. The only email received by the user is an error message.

Forwarding it on the list would have been a good idea...
  
> Any ideas on what I may have not carried out during the installation.

Check $MAILMAN/logs/error.



From chrisw at opera.com  Fri Feb 15 13:57:49 2002
From: chrisw at opera.com (Christian Westgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:57:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy/posters
Message-ID: <20020215135749.7a9d4bbd.chrisw@opera.com>

Why is privacy/posters not a (regexps) like privacy/acceptable_aliases?

 This would enable me to set all from my domain as posters even
 though they are not members.

 all-departments
  sub-department-1 (with some members)
  sub-department-2 (with some members)
  sub-department-3 (with some members)

 all-departments is privacy/member_posting_only
 I don't want to list all members of sub1, 2 and 3 as posters to all-dep...


When on list is (child) member of another list, you get multiple footers, any idea?

Also where did umbrella settings go?

-- 
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Software Developer ++
Linux Team
Opera Software ASA

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Copyright Opera Software - ? All rights reserved.



From daniel at kellnerweg.de  Fri Feb 15 14:55:49 2002
From: daniel at kellnerweg.de (Daniel Zeiss)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:55:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers counter
Message-ID: <E16birC-0001OC-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>

Hello,

I would like to put a counter on a website with how many people are actually 
subscribed to one mailinglist using mailman.

How is that possible?

bye
	Daniel



From daniel at kellnerweg.de  Fri Feb 15 14:58:34 2002
From: daniel at kellnerweg.de (Daniel Zeiss)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:58:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] use mailman db with php?
Message-ID: <E16bits-0001pk-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>

Hi,

is it possible to manipulate a mailman mailing list with php scripts, where I 
have no root access to the machine? (using my ISP)

The trouble is, that I want to make my own subscription form which is parsed 
by a php script for storing data in a database and afterwards subscribing to 
the mailman list.

bye
	Daniel



From daniel at kellnerweg.de  Fri Feb 15 15:02:44 2002
From: daniel at kellnerweg.de (Daniel Zeiss)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:02:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no HTML mail
Message-ID: <E16biyy-0001tF-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>

Hello

is it somehow possible to tell mailman to stop or convert HTML mails to plain 
text mails?

If not, how could I do it anyway? (other programs, procmail??)

bye 
	Daniel



From dmarti at zgp.org  Fri Feb 15 15:31:24 2002
From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:31:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers counter
In-Reply-To: <E16birC-0001OC-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>; from daniel@kellnerweg.de on Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 02:55:49PM +0100
References: <E16birC-0001OC-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>
Message-ID: <20020215063124.A8320@zgp.org>

begin Daniel Zeiss quotation of Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 02:55:49PM +0100:

> I would like to put a counter on a website with how many people are actually 
> subscribed to one mailinglist using mailman.

You can do:

~mailman/bin/list_members $LISTNAME > $WEBDIR/subscriber-count.txt

in your crontab, and include the subscriber-count.txt file in your
page with a server-side include.  (substute your list name and web
site directory for $LISTNAME and $WEBDIR)

-- 
Don Marti                                          
http://zgp.org/~dmarti       Join the Distributed Unisys Google Experiment.
dmarti at zgp.org                 <a href="http://burnallgifs.org/">Unisys</a>
KG6INA                                                          everywhere. 



From daniel at kellnerweg.de  Fri Feb 15 15:54:01 2002
From: daniel at kellnerweg.de (Daniel Zeiss)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:54:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers counter
In-Reply-To: <20020215063124.A8320@zgp.org>
References: <E16birC-0001OC-00@mail.kellnerweg.de> <20020215063124.A8320@zgp.org>
Message-ID: <E16bjlY-00031A-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>

Hi,

> You can do:
> ~mailman/bin/list_members $LISTNAME > $WEBDIR/subscriber-count.txt
> in your crontab, and include the subscriber-count.txt file in your

No, that wont work.

"IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/usr/local/mailman/lists/medizin/config.db'"

because I am not root at the machine. (ISP)

Also this would give me the actual list of subscribers, I just wont the 
number, something like:

	1092 people subscribed 

where 1092 is the actual number of subscribers.

bye
	Daniel



From daniel at kellnerweg.de  Fri Feb 15 16:03:27 2002
From: daniel at kellnerweg.de (Daniel Zeiss)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:03:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] localization
Message-ID: <E16bjuf-0003Ws-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>

Hi,

is it possible to localize each list?
That means making one list spanish, the other english ...
without only editing HTML code, but also have welcome message etc in this 
language?

bye
	Daniel



From matt at actuality.co.uk  Fri Feb 15 16:03:51 2002
From: matt at actuality.co.uk (Matthew Thompson)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:03:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers counter
In-Reply-To: <E16bjlY-00031A-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>
Message-ID: <39099642-2225-11D6-9150-00039345B712@actuality.co.uk>

On Friday, February 15, 2002, at 02:54 PM, Daniel Zeiss wrote:

> Hi,
>
>> You can do:
>> ~mailman/bin/list_members $LISTNAME > $WEBDIR/subscriber-count.txt
>> in your crontab, and include the subscriber-count.txt file in your
>
> No, that wont work.
>
> "IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/usr/local/mailman/lists/medizin/config.db'"

Have you considered a little php script that runs under cron and reads in 
the number of lines in your members file. It could be written to output 
the number of lines to a small text file that could be read back in.

www.php.net has all the code snippets for reading files - it's quite easy.

M at t :o)

--
Matthew Thompson - actuality consulting ltd.
matt at actuality.co.uk




From daniel at kellnerweg.de  Fri Feb 15 16:14:48 2002
From: daniel at kellnerweg.de (Daniel Zeiss)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:14:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers counter
In-Reply-To: <39099642-2225-11D6-9150-00039345B712@actuality.co.uk>
References: <39099642-2225-11D6-9150-00039345B712@actuality.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E16bk5e-0003dB-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>

Hi,

> >
> > "IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> > '/usr/local/mailman/lists/medizin/config.db'"
>
> Have you considered a little php script that runs under cron and reads in
> the number of lines in your members file. It could be written to output
> the number of lines to a small text file that could be read back in.

Yes, I have, ..
...but I can not run the mailman programs because I have no root account. And 
it seems that my mailman password is not good enough to give it as parameter 
to the programs to open the db.
I just can edit my lists from the webinterface. So I was wondering if there 
is some sort of webfunction from mailman that I could include into my 
webpages.
The problem with cron is also, that I would have to run it every 10 minutes 
to have a more or less actual number but this drains ressources my ISP is 
perhaps not willing to give me. On the otherhand, if it is something which is 
just called when the webpages are visited it is less ressources. (based on a 
low traffic website)

bye
	Daniel



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Fri Feb 15 17:18:18 2002
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:18:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] use mailman db with php?
In-Reply-To: <E16bits-0001pk-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>
References: <E16bits-0001pk-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>
Message-ID: <0202151618181V.15586@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

> is it possible to manipulate a mailman mailing list with php scripts, where
> I have no root access to the machine? (using my ISP)

Hopefully not ...


>
> The trouble is, that I want to make my own subscription form which is

Use mailmans mail-interface.


- oliver 



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Fri Feb 15 16:18:23 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 15 Feb 2002 15:18:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers counter
In-Reply-To: <39099642-2225-11D6-9150-00039345B712@actuality.co.uk>
References: <39099642-2225-11D6-9150-00039345B712@actuality.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1013786303.27541.73.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Fri, 2002-02-15 at 15:03, Matthew Thompson wrote:
> Have you considered a little php script that runs under cron and reads in 
> the number of lines in your members file. It could be written to output 
> the number of lines to a small text file that could be read back in.

Nice idea, but Mailman has no members file or analog of it - everything
is in config.db (for Mailman 2.0.x - Mailman 2.1 is different).

	Nigel.





From nb at thinkcoach.com  Fri Feb 15 15:52:20 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:52:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] use mailman db with php?
In-Reply-To: <E16bits-0001pk-00@mail.kellnerweg.de> (message from Daniel Zeiss
	on Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:58:34 +0100)
References: <E16bits-0001pk-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>
Message-ID: <200202151452.g1FEqKZ06783@quill.local>

> is it possible to manipulate a mailman mailing list with php
> scripts, where I have no root access to the machine? (using my
> ISP)
> 
> The trouble is, that I want to make my own subscription form which is parsed 
> by a php script for storing data in a database and afterwards subscribing to 
> the mailman list.

Your php script could make HTTP POSTs to the Mailman admin pages.

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From davekle at city-net.com  Fri Feb 15 16:38:01 2002
From: davekle at city-net.com (David Kleber)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:38:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Privacy Settings in the Administrative Interface
Message-ID: <002b01c1b636$c0e050e0$d92690c6@davekle>

I've been running my first mail list with version 2.0.8 for about 8 months
and I'm having a hard time understanding the proper privacy settings.

Here's the way I need to have my list set up:

I only want to give a few people posting privileges to my list WITHOUT the
messages being held for approval.  I want the rest of the list subscribers
to be
able to post, but I DO want their posts to be held for approval.

Could someone please tell me what the proper combination of settings would
be in the General Posting Filter section under the Privacy Settings in the
Administrative Interface?

    - Must posts be approved by an administrator? [yes or no]

    - Restrict posting privilege to list members? [yes or no]

    - And of course I understand that I will need to list the specific
e-mail addresses in the "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this
list without implicit approval requirement" field.

Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide.

-Dave Kleber, KB3FXI
www.PA-SitRep.com
http://pa-sitrep.com/mailman/listinfo/pa_pa-sitrep.com





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 15 17:50:14 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:50:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers counter
In-Reply-To: <E16birC-0001OC-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>
References: <E16birC-0001OC-00@mail.kellnerweg.de>
Message-ID: <0f5880450160f22FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>

On Friday 15 February 2002 08:55 am, Daniel Zeiss wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to put a counter on a website with how many people are
> actually subscribed to one mailinglist using mailman.
>
> How is that possible?
>
> bye
> 	Daniel

Setup a cron job to dump out the member list and then count it and dump it to 
a file:
  ~mailman/bin/list_members <list-name> |wc -l > filename

The script can also easily build a web page with the information

Good Luck!

Jon Carnes



From mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com  Fri Feb 15 17:55:55 2002
From: mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com (Maurice  Lafleur)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:55:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts require approval when this option is not set
Message-ID: <200202151655.g1FGtt129799@superglide.netfx-2000.net>

Hi again,

Here's a difficulty I am facing with two of the 4 lists I set up under MM:

All posts going to the list are held for approval by an admin when this option is NOT activated in the setup of the lists. I checked my 
admin pages and compared the broken lists with the working ones and I see no difference. Any point as to where and what to look for?

Regards,

MGL


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From morgan at hahaha.org  Fri Feb 15 18:02:47 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:02:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure in bin/arch
Message-ID: <873d02he4o.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

I have a 360MB listname.mbox file, which is concatenated from six years of
majordomo archives. I tried archiving the mbox using bin/arch (via the
built-in pipermail), and got this:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/arch", line 129, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/arch", line 118, in main
    archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 526, in processUnixMa
ilbox
    a = articleClass(m, self.sequence)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 207, in __init__
    self.__super_init(message, sequence, keepHeaders)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 175, in __init__
    self._set_date(message)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 419, in _set_date
    self.__super_set_date(message)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 228, in _set_date
    date = message.getdate_tz('Date')
  File "/usr/pkg/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py", line 371, in getdate_tz
    return parsedate_tz(data)
  File "/usr/pkg/lib/python2.0/rfc822.py", line 828, in parsedate_tz
    if data[0][-1] in (',', '.') or string.lower(data[0]) in _daynames:
IndexError: list index out of range

The sourceforge site is down right now, I'll report this when its up.

I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on Python 2.0, NetBSD 1.5.1. I've applied these
patches:

  mailman-2.0.8-plaintext-0.16.patch
  indexing-2.0.6.patch
  htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch

The mbox has some older messages for which pipermail apparently punts,
setting their date to February 2002. I will look into a work-around which
splits and then rebuilds the mbox with better date formatting. Not sure how
to go about that..

The list has been served by majordomo for six years, with the archives
parsed and displayed by mhonarc and searchable by glimpse via wilma. We're
switching to mailman, and I'd like to try pipermail+htdig.

Can pipermail be expected to parse such a large archive? The machine has
lots of CPU, RAM and disk space.

Any advice?

Morgan





From mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com  Fri Feb 15 17:52:50 2002
From: mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com (Maurice  Lafleur)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:52:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import Majordomo Archives
Message-ID: <200202151652.g1FGqoN29504@superglide.netfx-2000.net>

Hi everyone,

I have my MM installation almost all under control except for a quirk that I'll ask about later, but for now I need to know if there is a way to 
import old MJ archive files into the MM archives created and maintained by MM?

Thanks,

MGL


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From rcs at malibyte.net  Fri Feb 15 18:28:03 2002
From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:28:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck and not going out...
In-Reply-To: <000b01c1b5e7$1ed82880$9a9d5c42@partnersintl.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202150924570.11875-100000@firefox.malibyte.net>

Be careful!!  This is an invitation to some significant 
headaches.  A friend of mine found his mail server was being used 
as a relay by most of the People's Republic of China (literally 
about 10,000 messages per hour through his little Pentium-200 
mail server) until he shut this option OFF.

YMMV - Good luck - Bob


On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, aaron wrote:

> The solution to my problem was to make the following changes to sendmail:
> 
> - turn on accept_unresolvable_domains.
> 
> once I did this, mailman released all of the messages it has been holding
> for days...

-- 
________________________________________
Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA
http://www.malibyte.net

"The weather is here - wish you were beautiful." - J. Buffett





From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Fri Feb 15 18:28:22 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:28:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering with procmail
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10202151146460.27537-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>

Anyone have any experience filtering with procmail with mailman2.0.8? The FAQ 
gives hints but seems to be incomplete.

Given a list called test, with entries in aliases as
test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

the FAQ says to just modify test to be 
test:"|/usr/local/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=test /etc/procmailrc-mailman"

What about the other entries?

does /etc/procmailrc-mailman need any special permissions?

TIA





 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland 
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies   




From mbray at ctiusa.com  Fri Feb 15 18:25:11 2002
From: mbray at ctiusa.com (Michael Bray)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:25:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple host name problem
Message-ID: <F87E26EEDC5D2E46823CB87B6583B8410AF3DC@mail.ctiusa.com>

I've just set up Mailman, and things look pretty good...  But I am
having a problem with different results being returned for different
host names that I want to use the same list configuration.   For
example, I want 'http://www.xyz.com/mailman/listinfo' and
'http://xyz.com/mailman/listinfo' to both go to the same list
information.  (I do have the correct settings in DNS to provide the IP
address for 'xyz.com', which is the same IP as for 'www.xyz.com'.)  When
my users go to the 'xyz.com' site, they see the lists correctly.  When
they go to the 'www.xyz.com' site, mailman says that there are no
publicly accessible lists on this server.
 
Is there a configuration setting I can use in one of the mailman files
to tell it that 'www.xyz.com' and 'xyz.com' should be treated as the
same site?  Alternatively, is there something in Apache configuration
that I can use to accomplish this?
 
Thanks for any help you can provide...
 
Michael Bray
 

From morgan at hahaha.org  Fri Feb 15 18:51:02 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:51:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple host name problem
In-Reply-To: <F87E26EEDC5D2E46823CB87B6583B8410AF3DC@mail.ctiusa.com> ("Michael
 Bray"'s message of "Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:25:11 -0500")
References: <F87E26EEDC5D2E46823CB87B6583B8410AF3DC@mail.ctiusa.com>
Message-ID: <87zo2ad46x.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

"Michael Bray" <mbray at ctiusa.com> writes:
> I am having a problem with different results being returned for different
> host names that I want to use the same list configuration.  For example,
> I want 'http://www.xyz.com/mailman/listinfo' and
> 'http://xyz.com/mailman/listinfo' to both go to the same list
> information.  (I do have the correct settings in DNS to provide the IP
> address for 'xyz.com', which is the same IP as for 'www.xyz.com'.)  When
> my users go to the 'xyz.com' site, they see the lists correctly.  When
> they go to the 'www.xyz.com' site, mailman says that there are no
> publicly accessible lists on this server.

I had to make this change to my apache.conf, so that
http://www.ourdomain.com/mailman and http://domain.com/mailman were equally
available.

*** 1023,1031 ****
  </VirtualHost>
  
  <VirtualHost nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn>
! ServerName www.ourdomain.com
  Documentroot /some/dir/ourdmain/htdocs
  ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/some/dir/ourdmain/cgi-bin/"
  ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/ourdomain/http_error.log
  CustomLog /var/log/httpd/ourdomain/http_access.log common
  </VirtualHost>
--- 1023,1033 ----
  </VirtualHost>
  
  <VirtualHost nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn>
! ServerName ourdomain.com
! ServerAlias *.ourdomain.com
  Documentroot /some/dir/ourdomain/htdocs
  ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/some/dir/ourdomain/cgi-bin/"
+ ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
  ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/ourdomain/http_error.log
  CustomLog /var/log/httpd/ourdomain/http_access.log common
  </VirtualHost>

(Actually, it's broader than Mailman - without this change
http://ourdomain.com wasn't handled properly.)

I've got the "Host name this list prefers." set to 'ourdomain.com' and
"Base URL for Mailman web interface. The URL must end in a single "/". See
also the details for an important warning when changing this value." set to
'http://www.ourdomain.com/mailman/'.

Morgan



From morgan at hahaha.org  Fri Feb 15 20:35:43 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:35:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] incremental updating of pipermail?
Message-ID: <87eljma67k.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Is there a way to build out pipermail's archives incrementally, with older
archives?

Could I sequentially add month-long chunks of majordomo archives to
listname.mbox, updating pipermail as I go?

I'm trying to get around bin/arch, and I can't edit a 360MB file...

Morgan




From BBodnyk at fciconnect.com  Fri Feb 15 21:40:44 2002
From: BBodnyk at fciconnect.com (Bodnyk, Bruce W)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:40:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Installing Mailman
Message-ID: <8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968E762@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com>

Hi,

I'm attempting to install Mailman 2.0.8 on Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 and am
having problems.
The install seemed to go smoothly up until I created the test list. That
seemed to go ok
and I got an email from mail-owner about the new list including the URLs of
the two web
pages. However when I try and go to them I'm told that the page is not
found.

When I try and send a help command to
test-request at etlinux1.tron.am.fciconnect.com
I get the message shown below. I'm rather new to Linux. It seemed
like the Apache install went OK because I can get to the standard
info page.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!
Bruce

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. The following address(es) failed:

  test-request at etlinux1.tron.am.fciconnect.com:
    generated |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test:
    Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:

------ |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test ------

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 31.  (Reconfigure to take 31?)




Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

Phone: (717) 938-7543
Fax: (717) 938-7224
E-Mail: bbodnyk at fciconnect.com





From mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com  Fri Feb 15 22:04:10 2002
From: mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com (Maurice  Lafleur)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:04:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import Majordomo Archives
Message-ID: <200202152104.g1FL4An01607@superglide.netfx-2000.net>

The archives are simply flat files (no HTML at all). All I want to do is add them (gzipped) to the list of available archives.

Regards,

(BTW I have no idea what MHonArc are...)

> Assuming that the archives are MHonArc archives then you can just take
> the 'dump' file which is in mbox format and put in the private archive
> directory for pipermail and then bin/arch the archive. Both Archivers
> use the same format of spoolfile because they are both email to HTML
> converters. 
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 08:52:50AM -0800, Maurice  Lafleur wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I have my MM installation almost all under control except for a quirk that I'll ask about later, but for now I need to know if there is a 
way to 
> > import old MJ archive files into the MM archives created and maintained by MM?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > MGL
> > 
> > 
> > Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com
> > Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, 100% better, and 100% yours!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> -- 
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> Copyright 2002       Mike Richardson, Room G98, Manchester Computing
> University of Manchester, M13 9PL     doctor at mcc.ac.uk    Int: 56009
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> First door on left.   URL http://kira.mcc.ac.uk/  Ext: 0161 275 6009 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> "If anything happens to my daughter I have a 45 and shovel" Clueless
> 
> 





From rbp at netcanvas.com  Fri Feb 15 23:18:17 2002
From: rbp at netcanvas.com (Rodrigo Borges Pereira)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:18:17 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + multiple instalations + qmail = help needed
Message-ID: <016101c1b66e$ae92d240$0200a8c0@gasbutano>

Hi all!

I'm having a weird problem here, need some help.

I have two installations of Mailman on my system, one for each domain
(let's say lists.domain1 and lists.domain2).

I'm using a directory structure like /var/mailman/domain. Qmail is
configured to point lists.domain1 to user 'mailman' and lists.domain2 to
user 'mailman1'.

I then user qmail-to-mailman.py.

Each compilation was properly configured to reflect the path and uid.

Problem:

lists.domain1 works fine but lists.domain2 does not. 

I have a 'test' list created, that appears on the web and on the file
structure (/var/mailman/domain2/lists/test). 

But everytime a mail is sent to test at lists.domain2, qmail-to-mailman.py
bounces.

I took a look at the code, and the ideia i got is that
qmail-to-mailman.py bounces if 'test' is not found under directory
'lists'. So, for some reason that i can't see, 'test' isn't found, but
it's there!

I already tried everything i could remember.. The installations seem
correct to me (at least one is working, i can't spot the difference
between them.

Any help will be appreciated.

TIA.





From amit at shaktipro.com  Thu Feb 14 10:45:57 2002
From: amit at shaktipro.com (Amit Shanker)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:15:57 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without knowing the password?
Message-ID: <027201c1b53c$6a980f20$2d00a8c0@AMIT>

Hello,

I am new to Mailman. I am trying to setup the list for a Newsletter where I
would be subscribing (mass subscribing) people from an existing database.
I do not plan to send them a welcome message ( and therefore the password
does not reach them)

I want to allow the members to unsubscribe from the list if they send the
"unsubscribe" mail to the list.
I am able to do this but that option requires the members to know the
password also and therefore they have to send a mail with subject like:
unsubscribe <password>

I do not want them to work with passwords. ie. If they send a mail from
their mail account with "unsubscribe" or "remove" in the subject it should
work.
I plan to add the following line in the footer of the mail message
To unsubscribe :
mailto:elearning-news-request at shaktipro.com?subject=unsubscribe

Please let me know how I can do this.

Thankyou
Amit

PS: I do not want the members to go to website and first request the
password.


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From jonas at freesources.org  Thu Feb 14 15:46:14 2002
From: jonas at freesources.org (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:46:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set up a read-only list?
Message-ID: <20020214144614.GA1362@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

How can I set up a read-only list? So that I can add/del subscribers,
the subscribers can del themselfs, and the world can subscribe for
reading only.

Thanks
   Jonas

-- 
The difference between theory and practice, is that in theory, there is no 
difference between theory and practice.



From GINSINS at aol.com  Thu Feb 14 15:36:36 2002
From: GINSINS at aol.com (GINSINS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:36:36 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still confused
Message-ID: <e.1a2c68b1.299d2574@aol.com>

Hey,
My host provider supplies us with python email. I'm proud of myself, because 
I  was actually able to install names in my mail list (a year after I started 
my site!).  But where do I learn HTML code?  Is it standard for every server? 
In other words, if I borrow what I see in letters coming to me, will that 
work?
GInger
TastyFaith.com



From rmk at arm.linux.org.uk  Thu Feb 14 18:32:32 2002
From: rmk at arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:32:32 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with mailman header regexps
Message-ID: <20020214173232.E21743@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

Hi,

Please CC: me with any responses; I'm not subscribed to these mailman
lists.

I'm desperately trying to get mailman to filter HTML-encoded email
from my mailing lists.  The problem is no matter what I try it still
gets through.

It appears that some of my regexps work, but some don't; this has been
annoying me for some time now, and I'm now at the point of considering
dropping mailman unless a solution to this problem can be found.

The message in question had the following headers:

> Reply-To: guisee9 at lycos.com
> From: ???????? <guisee9 at lycos.com>
> To:  <linux-arm-kernel at lists.arm.linux.org.uk>
> Subject: [????]?????? ?????? ?????? ??????????
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987"
> X-User: 2.62-figjdliv-lilkhn-Ddigq
> Message-Id: <E16bPBd-0004Xc-00 at www.linux.org.uk>

We've had all of the following in "bounce matching headers":

Content-type: \(text\/html\|multipart\/alternative\)
Content-type: \(text/html\|multipart/alternative\)
Content-type \(text/html\|multipart/alternative\)

(the last is definitely wrong; mailman complains in the config log).
None of these have worked.  The full regexp list is currently:

Subject: \(xxx\|ndn:\|RCPT:\|Delivery Confirmation\|NON-DELIVERY of\|Undeliverable message\|Receipt Confirmation\|\(Failed\|Returned\|unable to deliver\|away from my\) mail\|autoreply\|millionaire\|money\|ADV\|=?ISO-20220JP?\|Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs\|China-diesel\|invitation\|really works for me\|DVD Movies\|Tax Free\|Rated\|Credit\|\$\|MobiCam\)
Content-type: \(text\/html\|multipart\/alternative\)
Date: ..\s...\s..\s.*:..:..\s..\s*$
Date: .*=\?.*\?=
X-Mailer: eMerge
X-EM-Registration: .*
X-Mailman-Version: .*
To: linux-\(arm\|arm-announce\)\@lists.arm.linux.org.uk
CC: linux-\(arm\|arm-announce\)\@lists.arm.linux.org.uk

Note that the last two definitely have worked.

This is mailman 2.0.8.

Also, I'm pretty concerned that mailman developers don't take bug reports
seriously.  I have a bug report in the system against mailman that has sat
there since April 7th 2001 - 414502.  The nature of this bug is such that
mail content can cause mailman's queue runner to stop processing mail
(because it dies each time it hits this particular message).  If mail
content can crash mailman, maybe mail content can be used to exploit
mailman?  Well, I've had nothing back, apart from soneone else confirming
the problem.

Does anyone actually process any mailman bug reports?

-- 
Russell King (rmk at arm.linux.org.uk)                The developer of ARM Linux
             http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/personal/aboutme.html




From peter at castandcrew.com  Thu Feb 14 19:42:25 2002
From: peter at castandcrew.com (Peter Blajev)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:42:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup mailman restuctions
Message-ID: <3C6C0511.5FABFBB8@castandcrew.com>

Hi

how can I setup a read-only list?
I need a list like Mailman-announce where very few people can post.
Please advice.

Thanks
Peter



From c9707044 at dcc.online.pt  Thu Feb 14 19:46:00 2002
From: c9707044 at dcc.online.pt (c9707044 at dcc.online.pt)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:46:00 +0000 (WET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and NFS
Message-ID: <1013712360.3c6c05e8bcdc9@webmail.dcc.online.pt>

I there :)

I?ve installed mailman in my MTA machine and I exported it by nfs to my 
webserver (so I have a mailman link in my document root t o/home/net/mailman)
everything looked fine until i noticed that the pipermail archive didn?t work. 
So when I went looking for the problem, I noticed that the link inside public 
archives was red (meaning that wasn?t liking anything).
Is this beacause of nfs exporting or because when trying to make the aliases 
the file that it should update is not the one on the webserver but the one on 
the MTA machine. I really don?t understand how this should be done, because I 
must have to separated machines!

So, anyone can help me?

Thanks 
Pedro  



From Neal.Coombes at telus.net  Fri Feb 15 02:23:11 2002
From: Neal.Coombes at telus.net (Neal E. Coombes)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:23:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Wishlist
Message-ID: <3C6C62FF.2E78EF9B@telus.net>

I was looking over the Mailman website and came across this page:
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/MM21/todo.html

I noticed that in every section of the todo list it actually repeats the
entire todo list from the very beginning to the end of that section...
as opposed to from the beginning of the section to the end of the
section.  Take a look and I think you'll see what I mean.

I've taken the liberty to correct the issue myself and attached is the
html file.  Please note that I didn't actually make any changes of the
items in the todo, I just changed the format so that it didn't repeat
the same thing over and over.  It's still the 11 July 2001 list.

Feel free to contact me for any other help.

Take care,

Neal E. Coombes
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From mike at midicase.com  Fri Feb 15 05:06:28 2002
From: mike at midicase.com (Mike Goins)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:06:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Mohnarc
Message-ID: <001801c1b5d6$24941d80$0200a8c0@se.mediaone.net>

I'm not to fond of Mailman's archiving system and would like
to use Mohnarc (which I am already familiar with) instead.
Has anyone used both these together? If so, how?

Thanks

(searching the usual places did not yield anything(




From aaron at mutualaid.org  Fri Feb 15 05:26:52 2002
From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:26:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages not going out...
Message-ID: <00f001c1b5d8$fe2908b0$9a9d5c42@partnersintl.net>

I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on FresBSD 4.5-RELEASE with Python 2.1.1 and
Apache 1.3.22...

None of my lists are sending out messages and qrunner seems to be stuck
attempting to resend the same messages, see below:

following is from ~/logs/post

Feb 14 21:09:14 2002 (10480) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 21:15:22 2002 (10780) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures
Feb 14 21:46:09 2002 (10780) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 21:51:56 2002 (11133) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures
Feb 14 22:16:04 2002 (11133) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 22:22:01 2002 (11313) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures
Feb 14 22:45:44 2002 (11313) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 22:50:51 2002 (11544) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures
Feb 14 23:15:45 2002 (11544) post to list1 from a at somwhere.org, size=13253,
20 failures
Feb 14 23:20:46 2002 (11910) post to list2 from b at nowhere.com, size=8367, 7
failures

and the following is from ~/logs/smtp

Feb 14 21:09:14 2002 (10480) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1611.472
seconds
Feb 14 21:15:22 2002 (10780) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 321.519 seconds
Feb 14 21:46:09 2002 (10780) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1847.106
seconds
Feb 14 21:51:56 2002 (11133) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 296.023 seconds
Feb 14 22:16:04 2002 (11133) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1447.830
seconds
Feb 14 22:22:01 2002 (11313) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 301.015 seconds
Feb 14 22:45:44 2002 (11313) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1423.400
seconds
Feb 14 22:50:51 2002 (11544) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 291.205 seconds
Feb 14 23:15:45 2002 (11544) smtp for 20 recips, completed in 1493.861
seconds
Feb 14 23:20:46 2002 (11910) smtp for 7 recips, completed in 286.054 seconds

A little help?

TIA,

Aaron




From gsh at ku.edu  Fri Feb 15 07:04:40 2002
From: gsh at ku.edu (Greg Harris)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:04:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] md5 passwords
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020215000319.00b00e08@10.1.1.2>

Hi, I'm trying to locate where mailman stores the md5 password hashes for 
the subscribers to the list so I can use the list to authenticate other 
tasks (share the same password hash file).  Could you tell me where it 
is?  Thanks

Greg




From jim0jim at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 15 12:39:01 2002
From: jim0jim at hotmail.com (Flipp Moutt)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:39:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prevent non-company email entries
Message-ID: <F20f33AQJE7zRHVDBcs000041e7@hotmail.com>

I'm looking at the "bounce_matching_headers" variable and it works great, 
but what I want to do is to reject all email that does not contain 
'.*@company.com'
What is the NOT regex for that?
I've tried
From: ! .*@company.com    and
! From: .*@company.com    and a bunch others like that.

I'm running out of ideas..

Thanks
Jim


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From kn_satheesh at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 15 18:40:59 2002
From: kn_satheesh at yahoo.com (Satheesh Kolathur)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:40:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman configuration problems
Message-ID: <20020215174059.55088.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a problem with configuring Mailman.

I am installing Mailman 1.1 because I do not have the latest version of
Python and there is a ripple effect if i need to upgrade the software.

So I decided to go with Mailman 1.1 with a compatible version of
Python. 

I need support for virtual hosts. I was wondering if Mailman 1.1
supports it.

Also, I successfully installed Mailman and created a test list.
I got an email to my account with a link to the mailman administrator
site.
When i check the link http://www.openmp.org/mailman/admin/satheeshtest
it says 

"Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
unable to complete your request..........."

Mu suexec_log is as below
---------
[2002-02-15 12:05:55]: info: (target/actual) uid: (ompweb/ompweb) gid:
(ompweb/ompweb) cmd: index.cgi
[2002-02-15 12:06:14]: info: (target/actual) uid: (ompweb/ompweb) gid:
(ompweb/ompweb) cmd: index.cgi
[2002-02-15 12:06:57]: info: (target/actual) uid: (ompweb/ompweb) gid:
(ompweb/ompweb) cmd: index.cgi
---------

I have no idea whats has gone wrong. But I do not find the directory
mailman/admin/satheeshtest in www.openmp.org. Who creates it?
It is a named virtual host.

Any help on this would be appreciated.

Thanks & Regards
Satheesh

PS: Do you think Hypermail is any easier to install/configure ??


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From BBodnyk at fciconnect.com  Fri Feb 15 21:30:06 2002
From: BBodnyk at fciconnect.com (Bodnyk, Bruce W)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:30:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Installing Mailman
Message-ID: <8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968E75F@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com>

Hi,

I'm attempting to install Mailman 2.0.8 on Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 and am
having problems.
The install seemed to go smoothly up until I created the test list. That
seemed to go ok
and I got an email from mail-owner about the new list including the URLs of
the two web
pages. However when I try and go to them I'm told that the page is not
found.

When I try and send a help command to
test-request at etlinux1.tron.am.fciconnect.com
I get the message shown below. I'm rather new to Linux. It seemed
like the Apache install went OK because I can get to the standard
info page.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!
Bruce

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. The following address(es) failed:

  test-request at etlinux1.tron.am.fciconnect.com:
    generated |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test:
    Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:

------ |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test ------

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 31.  (Reconfigure to take 31?)



Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

Phone: (717) 938-7543
Fax: (717) 938-7224
E-Mail: bbodnyk at fciconnect.com





From james at obrienpc.net  Sat Feb 16 00:45:58 2002
From: james at obrienpc.net (James O'Brien)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:45:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail error
Message-ID: <PMEGJBOFEDJGCDHGKGIKMEPOCAAA.james@obrienpc.net>

Greetings. I have a problem and I really need some help! I receive the
following error when I try to access
http://obrienpc.net/mailman/admin/alert_obrienpc.net either through the
administrative interface or though my website.

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.


I don't know much about this system and could use some helpful
troubleshooting advice.


Thank you!

James O'Brien
www.obrienpc.net




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 16 00:58:10 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:58:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] md5 passwords -- not!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020215000319.00b00e08@10.1.1.2>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020215000319.00b00e08@10.1.1.2>
Message-ID: <000bf5857230f22FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>

Dude... you are in for a rude awakening.  What version of Mailman are you 
using?  I'm going to guess that you are on the latest non-alpha release: 
vesion 2.0.8...  (nothing like having to guess at the details so that you can 
help someone!)

The passwords are stored in plain text inside of the mailing lists database 
(~mailman/lists/<list_name>/config.db).  You can look at the archives from 
two weeks ago to find a script that dumps out the passwords for each user.
You can look at the FAQ to see a script that takes those username/password 
paris and creates an Apache access file.

Good Luck

Jon Carnes

On Friday 15 February 2002 01:04 am, Greg Harris wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to locate where mailman stores the md5 password hashes for
> the subscribers to the list so I can use the list to authenticate other
> tasks (share the same password hash file).  Could you tell me where it
> is?  Thanks
>
> Greg
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dan at ssc.com  Sat Feb 16 01:30:33 2002
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:30:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still confused
In-Reply-To: <e.1a2c68b1.299d2574@aol.com>
References: <e.1a2c68b1.299d2574@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20020215163033.A1728@ssc.com>

HTML is a standard protocol, interpreted by browsers.  Basic
HTML takes me about a half-hour to teach a beginner, with another
half-hour session covering additional topics needed for elementary
website maintenance.

Try keying

learn html

into 

http://www.google.com

for pointers to several tutorials.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 09:36:36AM -0500, GINSINS at aol.com wrote:
> Hey,
> My host provider supplies us with python email. I'm proud of myself, because 
> I  was actually able to install names in my mail list (a year after I started 
> my site!).  But where do I learn HTML code?  Is it standard for every server? 
> In other words, if I borrow what I see in letters coming to me, will that 
> work?
> GInger
> TastyFaith.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From johnsonamichael at qwest.net  Sat Feb 16 01:37:57 2002
From: johnsonamichael at qwest.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:37:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still confused
In-Reply-To: <20020215163033.A1728@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <NBEDIDMNHNJJPNOFMJHLMEJNECAA.johnsonamichael@qwest.net>

Here's one for him. I don't know how good it is. 

A Beginner's Guide to HTML 

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Internet/WWW/HTMLPrimer.html

I would search google more specifically: 'html tutorial'. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Wilder
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:31 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] still confused
> 
> 
> HTML is a standard protocol, interpreted by browsers.  Basic
> HTML takes me about a half-hour to teach a beginner, with another
> half-hour session covering additional topics needed for elementary
> website maintenance.
> 
> Try keying
> 
> learn html
> 
> into 
> 
> http://www.google.com
> 
> for pointers to several tutorials.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 09:36:36AM -0500, GINSINS at aol.com wrote:
> > Hey,
> > My host provider supplies us with python email. I'm proud of 
> myself, because 
> > I  was actually able to install names in my mail list (a year 
> after I started 
> > my site!).  But where do I learn HTML code?  Is it standard for 
> every server? 
> > In other words, if I borrow what I see in letters coming to me, 
> will that 
> > work?
> > GInger
> > TastyFaith.com
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com>   Technical Manager & Editor
>  SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549   Phone:  206-782-8808
>  Seattle, WA  98155-0549    URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 




From kpierre at fit.edu  Sat Feb 16 01:46:41 2002
From: kpierre at fit.edu (Kervin Pierre)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news->mail gateway not working
Message-ID: <3C6DABF1.9090102@fit.edu>

Hi,

I have got mailman to post the mail->news messages but any messages that 
are sent to the newsgroup do not get posted to the mailing list.

The cron job returns this message...

Subject: Cron <mailman at gloria> /usr/bin/python -S
     /home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
     main()
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
     process_lists(lock)
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists
     conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist)
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 78, in open_newsgroup
     r,c,f,l,n = conn.group(mlist.linked_newsgroup)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 260, in group
     resp = self.shortcmd('GROUP ' + name)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 210, in shortcmd
     return self.getresp()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 184, in getresp
     raise NNTPTemporaryError(resp)
Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPTemporaryError: 411 No such group flt.acm

But I know for a fact that the newsgroup works, and plus mail->news *is* 
working fine.  What can be wrong with the news->mail part?

The newsgroup has no user restrictions.

Thanks,
--Kervin

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From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Sat Feb 16 10:15:00 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:15:00 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error messages users get
Message-ID: <02021620284900.00791@www>

I have just installed Mailman and users can't subscribe to the list. I'm using
RedHat 6.1, Sendmail, Apache, Python 1.5.2 and Mailman-2.0.8.

Here is an extract of an error message a user received.

Can anyone solve this mystery

>Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
>
>The original message was received at Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:44:59 +1100
>from mail.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.58]
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>lunch at countryhardware.com.au
>     (expanded from: mailman)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>550 lunch at countryhardware.com.au... User unknown
>Reporting-MTA: dns; www
>Arrival-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:44:59 +1100
>
>Final-Recipient: RFC822; <mailman-owner at mail.countryhardware.com.au>
>X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; lunch at www
>Action: failed
>Status: 5.1.1
>Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:45:38 +1100



From jim at rossberry.com  Sat Feb 16 15:05:23 2002
From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:05:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and NFS
In-Reply-To: <1013712360.3c6c05e8bcdc9@webmail.dcc.online.pt>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202160904120.1379-100000@newross.rossberry.private>

First thing to check is the ownership and permissions of the files the
archive needs to change.  User and group ids (numbers, not just the
names) must be the same on both machines for nfs to work right.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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614-404-1897                                     http://www.rossberry.com

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 c9707044 at dcc.online.pt wrote:

> I there :)
> 
> I?ve installed mailman in my MTA machine and I exported it by nfs to my 
> webserver (so I have a mailman link in my document root t o/home/net/mailman)
> everything looked fine until i noticed that the pipermail archive didn?t work. 
> So when I went looking for the problem, I noticed that the link inside public 
> archives was red (meaning that wasn?t liking anything).
> Is this beacause of nfs exporting or because when trying to make the aliases 
> the file that it should update is not the one on the webserver but the one on 
> the MTA machine. I really don?t understand how this should be done, because I 
> must have to separated machines!
> 
> So, anyone can help me?
> 
> Thanks 
> Pedro  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Feb 16 17:54:42 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:54:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error messages users get
References: <02021620284900.00791@www>
Message-ID: <3C6E8ED1.87B09150@pcraft.com>

Greg Rees wrote:

> I have just installed Mailman and users can't subscribe to the list. I'm using
> RedHat 6.1, Sendmail, Apache, Python 1.5.2 and Mailman-2.0.8.
>
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> >550 lunch at countryhardware.com.au... User unknown

    Did you add the four aliases that mailman spits out at the end of a new list creation to sendmail's alias file, and regenerated it (with 'newaliases')?

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From flavio at stat.com.br  Sun Feb 17 00:04:52 2002
From: flavio at stat.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:04:52 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web CGI Error - newbie question
Message-ID: <IFEIIFBBEJKCEEDEJMOFKELACNAA.flavio@stat.com.br>

Hello,


I installed mailman 2.0.8 rpm pack .  But it?s a RPM pack. When I try
http://www.gral.com.br/mailman/admin/linuxrj I?m receiving this error. My
mailman works fine, but Apache interface not

/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
  Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
  <Directory /var/mailman/archives>
    Options +FollowSymlinks
  </Directory>


Please I need a Help

Fl?vio

Rio de Janeiro - Brasil



Mailman CGI error!!!
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by
the Web server.
The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored
in your syslog:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to take
48?)

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From etnojens at au.dk  Sat Feb 16 11:18:43 2002
From: etnojens at au.dk (Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kj=E6rulff?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:18:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where do I find server space for Mailman?
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020216111843.00add008@mail1.stofanet.dk>

Dear Sir / Madam,

Could you advice me where I can find web-host / server which can host a
mailinglist that I own? Contrary to my expectation, I am having much
dificulty finding such a facility here in Denmark.

I don't know if I am correct, that Mailman can run simultanously with the
listserv software called ezmlm?

The list I am the list-owner for is currently running on ezmlm, and has
around 500 subscribers. My current server-provider will shut down the list
in two weeks time, so I quite urgently need to find an alternative, which
is not too costly.

THe list is focussed on anthropology, and subscribers mainly belong to the
academic environment in Denmark. Lingua Franca of the lsit is mainly Danish.

I have for some time planned to make the list simultanously accessible via
ezmlm (email) and Mailman (WWW) and this is why I specifically contact you
as Mailman specialists.

Hope you have advice // Best regards, Jens Kjaerulff




From billp at worldwit.org  Sat Feb 16 23:04:50 2002
From: billp at worldwit.org (Bill Phillips)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:04:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman information
Message-ID: <00d501c1b735$f9bedf30$6687e541@znyc3bphillip2>

Hello,

Can you put me in contact with any contractors or consultants who can configure and program Mailman to operate on our Linux box?

Many thanks,

Bill Phillips
Online Strategy Director
WorldWIT, Inc.
www.worldwit.org
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb 17 03:36:21 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:36:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman information
In-Reply-To: <00d501c1b735$f9bedf30$6687e541@znyc3bphillip2>
References: <00d501c1b735$f9bedf30$6687e541@znyc3bphillip2>
Message-ID: <0557f0536021122FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

I strongly recommend Chris Hedemark.  He setup the Mailman mailing list for 
my organization (TriLUG.org), and did a wonderful job.  He's really a great 
guy and I've recommened him to other folks as well.  I've CC'ed him - so you 
should have his address.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

===
On Saturday 16 February 2002 05:04 pm, Bill Phillips wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can you put me in contact with any contractors or consultants who can
> configure and program Mailman to operate on our Linux box?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Bill Phillips
> Online Strategy Director
> WorldWIT, Inc.
> www.worldwit.org



From chris at yonderway.com  Sun Feb 17 05:07:24 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: 16 Feb 2002 23:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman information
In-Reply-To: <0557f0536021122FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>
References: <00d501c1b735$f9bedf30$6687e541@znyc3bphillip2> 
	<0557f0536021122FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1013918845.9206.20.camel@crab>

Thank you very much Jon.

Yes I've done quite a few Mailman implementations and would be happy to
talk to you about your own needs.

Drop me a line, let me know what you'd like to get out of Mailman, and
we'll take it from there.

Best regards,
Chris Hedemark

On Sat, 2002-02-16 at 21:36, Jon Carnes wrote:
> I strongly recommend Chris Hedemark.  He setup the Mailman mailing list for 
> my organization (TriLUG.org), and did a wonderful job.  He's really a great 
> guy and I've recommened him to other folks as well.  I've CC'ed him - so you 
> should have his address.
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> ===
> On Saturday 16 February 2002 05:04 pm, Bill Phillips wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can you put me in contact with any contractors or consultants who can
> > configure and program Mailman to operate on our Linux box?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Bill Phillips
> > Online Strategy Director
> > WorldWIT, Inc.
> > www.worldwit.org
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sat Feb 16 06:53:14 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:53:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscribers
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b88cce64d529@[10.0.1.2]>; from abwatson@mindspring.com on Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 05:40:21PM -0800
References: <p05100301b88cce64d529@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20020215215314.C16460@merlins.org>

On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 05:40:21PM -0800, Andrew Watson wrote:
> I recently migrated a list to mailman, and after setup and testing, I 
> tried to move the list of subscribers to the new list. I did this by 
> pasting about 20 addresses, one per line, into the text box on the 
> Membership Management page of the configuration site. That seemed to 
> work. Emboldened, I pasted in another 700. After churning for a 
> while, I got some message from the browser about not finding 
> something. When I look at the membership page now, it says there are 
> 720 subscribers, and shows them all.

So they should be subscribed.
Note that for so many people, you want to use the cli
~mailman/bin/add_members

> But... I received email confirmations only for the first 20. Are the 
> others really subscribed? Is there a file I can examine to check? And 

Yes.
You can do ~mailman/list_members listname to double check if you wish

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Sat Feb 16 07:09:15 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:09:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin features via email vs web
In-Reply-To: <008101c1b444$8f5ce450$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com>; from mike@netlyncs.com on Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 10:11:49PM -0600
References: <008101c1b444$8f5ce450$0301a8c0@netlyncs.com>
Message-ID: <20020215220915.F16460@merlins.org>

On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 10:11:49PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote:
> Can an admin do mailman functions via email, like approve emails on a
> moderated list, instead of using the web?

You need mailman 2.1cvs for that.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From sbt at ginkwunk.net  Sun Feb 17 18:39:18 2002
From: sbt at ginkwunk.net (sbt)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:39:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list members not subscribed
Message-ID: <20020217123918.C1436@ana.ne.mediaone.net>

Hi all,

I have had a mailman list for a couple of months.  When I first started 
it, new members subscribed without any problems.  Now when a new 
members subscribes, although my MTA logs show appropriate mail going 
back and forth, the new members do not appear on the subscriber list 
page and do not receive the list mail.

Any ideas?  I apologize in advance if this is a rank newbie question, 
but I don't see it in the documentation.

Streph



From daniel.haischt at daniel-s-haischt.biz  Sun Feb 17 19:23:25 2002
From: daniel.haischt at daniel-s-haischt.biz (Daniel S. Haischt)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:23:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail -> news gateway does not work
Message-ID: <KBEJKFJFJEMGJGGGIEPKGECACBAA.daniel.haischt@daniel-s-haischt.biz>

hello,

i am running mailman 2.1a4 in conjunction with INN. 

i configured mailman to forward each post to the list 
to my local news server. 

unfortunatly i am getting the following error ... 

---------8<-------------8<------------------8<-------- 
(NNTPDirect) NNTP error for list "mobilepm-dev": 441 
437 No colon-space in "From daniel.haischt at daniel-s- 
haischt.biz Sun Feb 17 18:39:49 2002" header 
--------->8------------->8------------------>8-------- 

the news to mailing list part works as expected. 

With best regards/Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Daniel S. Haischt IT Consulting
_______________________________
[revolutionary and alpha geek]

Daniel S. Haischt
Grabenstrasse 11
D-71083 Herrenberg
G E R M A N Y

FON:      +49 -7032-992909
FAX:      +49 -7032-992910
CELLULAR: +49 -172-7668936

email:    mail at daniel-s-haischt.biz
web:      http://www.daniel-s-haischt.biz

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GCS dx s:- a- C++ UB++++ P+++ L++++ E W+++ N+++ o-- K- w--- 
O++ M++ V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+++ 5+ X+++ R+ tv++ b+++ DI+ D+++ 
G e++ h-- r+ y+++++ 
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------




From morgan at hahaha.org  Mon Feb 18 02:14:14 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:14:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks, max cpu, postfix, qrunner ugliness
Message-ID: <87wuxb4mmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

I just used bin/add_members to build out the ~1800 members of our mailing
list.

Now, python (2.0) is wedging itself everytime it's launched:

  PID USERNAME PRI NICE   SIZE   RES STATE     TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
 4246 mailman   57    0    24M   23M run       8:22 98.44% 98.44% python

I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on Python 2.0, NetBSD 1.5.1,
Postfix-20010228-pl03, machine is beefy.

I think our list is hitting some sort of postfix limitation, but I'm not
sure what it is. 

If I HUP the qrunner process, delete its two lock files, I can re-launch it
and some mail will be delivered, but then the qrunner process will wedge
itself again. I've got qrunner commented out in mailman's crontab until I
can figure this out.

Please advise!

Morgan



From morgan at hahaha.org  Mon Feb 18 02:53:37 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:53:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks, max cpu, postfix, qrunner ugliness
In-Reply-To: <87wuxb4mmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net> (Morgan Fletcher's message
 of "Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:14:14 -0800")
References: <87wuxb4mmx.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <87ofin4kta.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Morgan Fletcher <morgan at hahaha.org> writes:

> I just used bin/add_members to build out the ~1800 members of our mailing
> list.
>
> Now, python (2.0) is wedging itself everytime it's launched:
>
>   PID USERNAME PRI NICE   SIZE   RES STATE     TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
>  4246 mailman   57    0    24M   23M run       8:22 98.44% 98.44% python

I meant to write that qrunner is wedging itself.

> I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on Python 2.0, NetBSD 1.5.1,
> Postfix-20010228-pl03, machine is beefy.
>
> I think our list is hitting some sort of postfix limitation, but I'm not
> sure what it is. 
>
> If I HUP the qrunner process, delete its two lock files, I can re-launch it
> and some mail will be delivered, but then the qrunner process will wedge
> itself again. I've got qrunner commented out in mailman's crontab until I
> can figure this out.

I also should have written that of the 1800 or so subscribed address, I
think as many as 400 may be dead and bouncing.

Morgan
-- 
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
>> Morgan Fletcher       63 FJ40, 76 FJ55, 94 FJ80 TLCA #5973, Oakland, CA <<
>> Illegitimi non carborundum              http://www.birfield.com/~morgan <<



From aaron at mutualaid.org  Mon Feb 18 03:51:46 2002
From: aaron at mutualaid.org (aaron)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:51:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck and not going out...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202150924570.11875-100000@firefox.malibyte.net>
Message-ID: <010d01c1b827$349c7a30$9a9d5c42@partnersintl.net>

> > The solution to my problem was to make the following changes to
sendmail:
> >
> > - turn on accept_unresolvable_domains.
>>
> Be careful!!  This is an invitation to some significant
> headaches.  A friend of mine found his mail server was being used
> as a relay by most of the People's Republic of China (literally
> about 10,000 messages per hour through his little Pentium-200
> mail server) until he shut this option OFF.

This doesn't allow anyone to relay off of my server, it just tells sendmail
that it can accept mail for domains that it can no resolve... it does not
effect who can relay off my host, just what they can relay.




From cewatts at frontier.net  Mon Feb 18 04:18:43 2002
From: cewatts at frontier.net (Charlie Watts)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:18:43 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks, max cpu, postfix, qrunner ugliness
In-Reply-To: <87ofin4kta.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.44.0202172015210.2416-100000@eggplant.frontier.net>

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
> Morgan Fletcher <morgan at hahaha.org> writes:
>
> > I just used bin/add_members to build out the ~1800 members of our mailing
> > list.
> >
> > Now, python (2.0) is wedging itself everytime it's launched:
> >
> >   PID USERNAME PRI NICE   SIZE   RES STATE     TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
> >  4246 mailman   57    0    24M   23M run       8:22 98.44% 98.44% python
>
> I meant to write that qrunner is wedging itself.
>
> > I'm running Mailman 2.0.8 on Python 2.0, NetBSD 1.5.1,
> > Postfix-20010228-pl03, machine is beefy.
> >
> > I think our list is hitting some sort of postfix limitation, but I'm not
> > sure what it is.

Why do you think it's postfix? That doesn't make sense, based on what
you've said.

Anyway, I'd ktrace/strace that python instance, see what it's doing. And
look in your mail logs - is it actively dumping things into postfix, or
has it not even gotten there, or has it started and paused?

Is python just sitting there busy-waiting?

-- 
Charlie Watts
cewatts at frontier.net
Frontier Internet, Inc.
http://www.frontier.net/




From morgan at hahaha.org  Mon Feb 18 04:35:14 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:35:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks, max cpu, postfix, qrunner ugliness
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.44.0202172015210.2416-100000@eggplant.frontier.net> (Charlie
 Watts's message of "Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:18:43 -0700 (Mountain Standard
 Time)")
References: <Pine.WNT.4.44.0202172015210.2416-100000@eggplant.frontier.net>
Message-ID: <87y9hr31jh.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Charlie Watts <cewatts at frontier.net> writes:
>> > I think our list is hitting some sort of postfix limitation, but I'm not
>> > sure what it is.
>
> Why do you think it's postfix? That doesn't make sense, based on what
> you've said.

Yeah, it's python/qrunner that's wedged, postfix seems OK.

> Anyway, I'd ktrace/strace that python instance, see what it's doing. And
> look in your mail logs - is it actively dumping things into postfix, or
> has it not even gotten there, or has it started and paused?
>
> Is python just sitting there busy-waiting?

I 'ktrace -dp pid', waited five minutes, did 'ktrace -c', then 'kdump |
less'.

It's just an endless stream of:

  7272 python   CALL  break(0x9892000)
  7272 python   RET   break 0
  7272 python   CALL  break(0x9892000)
  7272 python   RET   break 0
  7272 python   CALL  break(0x96a6000)
  7272 python   RET   break 0
  7272 python   CALL  break(0x96a6000)
  7272 python   RET   break 0
  7272 python   CALL  break(0x9892000)
  7272 python   RET   break 0

I also should mention that I tested this mailman installation for about a
month with a small list (~30 addresses) with no problems, and for about a
week with a larger list (~400 addresses), also with no problems. Both those
lists contained valid addresses. We did test subscribing an address to the
second list, then removing the user that was subscribed at the user's host,
and mailman successfully unsubscribed it after it bounced for a while.

Now the 1800-member list is generating a ton of bounces, and I have a
feeling that's what's choking qrunner. But I may have been biased by
reading this:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=449550

Morgan



From jeff at xsusio.com  Mon Feb 18 05:28:38 2002
From: jeff at xsusio.com (Jeffrey Davis)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:28:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Institution requires standard header/footer on all pages...
Message-ID: <FAB59363-2427-11D6-84EB-000A277A4A0A@xsusio.com>

Our Institution requires standard header/footer on all page. (They also 
require that we stick to a standard color palette)

I have been able to successfully change the header/footer specific lists
http://studentorgs.utmb.edu/mailman/listinfo/fpsa

But have not been able to figure out how to add my header/footer to the 
main info page:
http://studentorgs.utmb.edu/mailman/listinfo

I have a good understanding of HTML but very limited understanding of 
python scripts.

Any solutions?

-Jeffrey Davis
UTMB School of Medicine, Year 4




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Feb 18 05:57:41 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:57:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Institution requires standard
	header/footer on all pages...
In-Reply-To: <FAB59363-2427-11D6-84EB-000A277A4A0A@xsusio.com>
Message-ID: <B895C9C5.14B1F%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 2/17/02 8:28 PM, "Jeffrey Davis" <jeff at xsusio.com> wrote:

> Our Institution requires standard header/footer on all page. (They also
> require that we stick to a standard color palette)

I use mod_layout (www.tangent.org) for that. Much easier than hacking the
code. 

Standard color templates might require a little tweaking, but that's easy.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach (chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/)
Will Geek for hardware.

The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet:
    And they all died happily ever after




From jeff at xsusio.com  Mon Feb 18 06:11:49 2002
From: jeff at xsusio.com (Jeffrey Davis)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:11:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Our Institution requires standard header/footer on all pages...
In-Reply-To: <B895C9C5.14B1F%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <03120214-242E-11D6-84EB-000A277A4A0A@xsusio.com>

That would work but  our server has many subsites (not all are in 
virtual server blocks)

Looks like a nice mod though!
On Sunday, February 17, 2002, at 10:57 PM, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

>
> On 2/17/02 8:28 PM, "Jeffrey Davis" <jeff at xsusio.com> wrote:
>
>> Our Institution requires standard header/footer on all page. (They also
>> require that we stick to a standard color palette)
>
> I use mod_layout (www.tangent.org) for that. Much easier than hacking 
> the
> code.
>
> Standard color templates might require a little tweaking, but that's 
> easy.
>
>
> --
> Chuq Von Rospach (chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/)
> Will Geek for hardware.
>
> The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet:
>     And they all died happily ever after




From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Mon Feb 18 07:53:45 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:53:45 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still having Problems
Message-ID: <0202181759210D.00791@www>

Hi

I've just install mailman-2.0.8 on RedHat 6.1.

It seem that users can partially subscribe, that is, connect and subscribe,
receive their email in return to send confirmation, send confirmation and never
receive their welcome message.

Anyone with any ideas on what is happening.

Regards

Greg



From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Mon Feb 18 10:12:13 2002
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:12:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem changing defaults
In-Reply-To: <20020213115334.D12635@belnet.be>; from jeroen.valcke@belnet.be on Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:53:36AM +0100
References: <20020213115334.D12635@belnet.be>
Message-ID: <20020218101211.B8510@belnet.be>

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:53:36AM +0100, Jeroen Valcke wrote:
> Hello,
> Just installed mailman and made a test list. All works fine except some
> minor inconveniences. I can't seem to change the defaults.
> I would like to change DEFAULT_LOGOS, DEFAULT_HOSTNAME, DEFAULT_URL As
> said in the instructions you must add this to mm_cfg.py file (which I
> copied first from mm_cfg.py.dist) However no change. I browsed the
> mailing list and somebody suggested removing the corresponding .pyc
> file. Doesn't solve my problem either.
> 
> Is there some magic trick?

Ok. I still haven't found a solution for this one. I changed mm_cfg.py
several times. Tried fixing by deleting the *.pyc files. Even
reinstalled mailman. No luck!

Is it possible that the problem is related to the python version. 
I use version 2.2 By the way why are there several (five) different
python version advertised on the Python web-site?

Regards,
-Jeroen-

-- 
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
http://www.belnet.be



From flavio at stat.com.br  Mon Feb 18 12:55:36 2002
From: flavio at stat.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:55:36 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission deny
Message-ID: <IFEIIFBBEJKCEEDEJMOFGEBECOAA.flavio@stat.com.br>

Dear users

My cron always send it to my mail admin account. How can I solve that

Thanks

Fl?vio
Rio de Janeiro - Brasil

Traceback (innermost last):
File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
self.__write()
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.gral.com.br.803'




From cewatts at frontier.net  Mon Feb 18 13:32:56 2002
From: cewatts at frontier.net (Charlie Watts)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:32:56 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks, max cpu, postfix, qrunner ugliness
In-Reply-To: <87y9hr31jh.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.44.0202180527440.2416-100000@eggplant.frontier.net>

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
> Charlie Watts <cewatts at frontier.net> writes:
> > Anyway, I'd ktrace/strace that python instance, see what it's doing. And
> > look in your mail logs - is it actively dumping things into postfix, or
> > has it not even gotten there, or has it started and paused?
> >
> > Is python just sitting there busy-waiting?
>
> I 'ktrace -dp pid', waited five minutes, did 'ktrace -c', then 'kdump |
> less'.
<snip ktrace output with qrunner busy-waiting>

Try taking qrunner out of cron, sending a message to the list, and
starting qrunner under ktrace. Then do the 'kdump | less' and you should
be able to see where it changes to busy-waiting ...

Is it a lock issue?

> I also should mention that I tested this mailman installation for about
> a month with a small list (~30 addresses) with no problems, and for
> about a week with a larger list (~400 addresses), also with no problems.
> Both those lists contained valid addresses. We did test subscribing an
> address to the second list, then removing the user that was subscribed
> at the user's host, and mailman successfully unsubscribed it after it
> bounced for a while.
>
> Now the 1800-member list is generating a ton of bounces, and I have a
> feeling that's what's choking qrunner. But I may have been biased by
> reading this:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=449550

Probably not quite the same - in that, qrunner is -dying-. Yours is just
spinning its wheels.

Hrm. I've got 11k users in a list, and know of folks with 100k user lists.

-- 
Charlie Watts
cewatts at frontier.net
Frontier Internet, Inc.
http://www.frontier.net/




From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se  Mon Feb 18 13:42:22 2002
From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:42:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Storing extended ASCII messages
Message-ID: <fc.000f6cfb0020a5d8000f6cfb0020a5d8.20a5e6@forumsyd.se>

When I sent a message containing words with the characters
?, ? and ? to my list the message is 
totally garbled when stored in the archives. The extended
characters are apparently coded (=55 etc).
How do I fix this?

mvh/ Regards,

Martin S.
CTO, Forum Syd

"To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even
more so." 


 




From flavio at stat.com.br  Mon Feb 18 14:35:57 2002
From: flavio at stat.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:35:57 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron Permission denied
Message-ID: <IFEIIFBBEJKCEEDEJMOFKECACOAA.flavio@stat.com.br>

Dear users

My cron always send it to my mail admin account. How can I solve that

Thanks

Fl?vio
Rio de Janeiro - Brasil

Traceback (innermost last):
File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
self.__write()
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.gral.com.br.803'




From davekle at city-net.com  Mon Feb 18 15:21:51 2002
From: davekle at city-net.com (David Kleber)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:21:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help on Privacy Options Settings
Message-ID: <001901c1b887$9c0a48e0$392790c6@davekle>

With a list of specific e-mail addresses in the "Addresses of members
accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement"
field, should I have the "Must posts be approved by an administrator?"
setting set to "YES" if I want all other subscribers' posts held for
approval EXCEPT for those that are specifically listed?

I've read the FAQ and it isn't very clear on how these settings work.

ANY help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

-Dave Kleber, KB3FXI
www.PA-SitRep.com
http://64.91.232.133/mailman/listinfo/pa_pa-sitrep.com




From valites at geneseo.edu  Mon Feb 18 16:01:02 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configlist with password
Message-ID: <532EB1FE-2480-11D6-A2A8-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

I rolled a big mailman upgrade this weekend that fixed my corrupted 
dbs.  Since I was used to using the mmsite password, I never thought to 
check whether the original list passwd was saved with configlist -o.  To 
my dismay & just a few phones calls, I find it is not.  I found that I 
could feed the old encrypted passwd back into config_list -i and make it 
work.  Whipping up some quick shell looping, I was able to create a 
directory of files listname-passwd of the format: password = 
'encrypted_paswd"

ex.

password =  '\261\271\251r\314\330\311b\244s\220\233\227\000~\264'


Feeding this into another for loop, I got several lists in, but then all 
the config_lists started to hang.  The example above is one that did so 
(this is a real passwd.  If anyone decrypts it, who knows what it'll 
be...)  I found the majority of them hung.  Is there something wrong 
with the format of the file?  escape or special characters?

Is there a better way to do what I am trying to do?  Anyway to make 
config_list do what I want?

 >--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
716-245-5577
716-259-3471(Cell)




From mailman_users_subscribed at mortencb.cx  Mon Feb 18 16:04:40 2002
From: mailman_users_subscribed at mortencb.cx (Morten-Christian Bernson)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:04:40 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in archive
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0202181603150.34146-100000@mcb.kj.uib.no>

I wonder if there is a patch so attachments can be showed as downloadable
files in the archive?  It's not really very useful to get jpeg images, exe
files and whatnot as text in the browser when browsing the archive or a
list where binary files are posted as well.






From mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com  Mon Feb 18 17:06:11 2002
From: mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com (Maurice  Lafleur)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:06:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML mail and attachments
Message-ID: <200202181606.g1IG6Bf21574@superglide.netfx-2000.net>

I need to stop HTML mail and posts with attachments to reach mailing lists. 

How do I do this?

Regards,

Maurice Lafleur


Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com
Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, 100% better, and 100% yours!





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Feb 18 17:29:06 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:29:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML mail and attachments
In-Reply-To: <200202181606.g1IG6Bf21574@superglide.netfx-2000.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020218162832.0357f220@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 08:06 18/02/2002 -0800, Maurice  Lafleur wrote:
>I need to stop HTML mail and posts with attachments to reach mailing lists.
>
>How do I do this?
>
>Regards,
>
>Maurice Lafleur

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp




From morgan at hahaha.org  Mon Feb 18 17:46:24 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:46:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] locks, max cpu, postfix, qrunner ugliness
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.44.0202180527440.2416-100000@eggplant.frontier.net> (Charlie
 Watts's message of "Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:32:56 -0700 (Mountain Standard
 Time)")
References: <Pine.WNT.4.44.0202180527440.2416-100000@eggplant.frontier.net>
Message-ID: <871yfiybz3.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Charlie Watts <cewatts at frontier.net> writes:
>> I 'ktrace -dp pid', waited five minutes, did 'ktrace -c', then 'kdump |
>> less'.
> <snip ktrace output with qrunner busy-waiting>
>
> Try taking qrunner out of cron, sending a message to the list, and
> starting qrunner under ktrace. Then do the 'kdump | less' and you should
> be able to see where it changes to busy-waiting ...

That was done with no qrunner in crontab at the time. I did get more
interesting data when I launched qrunner with ktrace, but still couldn't
track it down. 

> Is it a lock issue?

After each HUP I'd check for mailman processes, wait for there to be none,
then clean out the locks

> Hrm. I've got 11k users in a list, and know of folks with 100k user lists.

I believe I fixed the problem. I don't know the exact cause. I sent a
message via script to each of the 1800+ subscribers to the majordomo
list. I got back about 200 bounces. I removed all of those addresses from
the mailman list. I grep-ed through the qfiles directory for bounce
messsages, including one really crazy bounce caused by a majordomo list
server address being subscribed. (Majordomo was replying, quoting the
welcome message with "> ", over and over and over. I wonder if python saw
redirects in all the garbage.) I shrank the number of files in qfiles from
over 800 to around 60 human-authored posts. Ran qrunner. It succeeded. I
put the cron job back in place that runs it every minute, and it's been
humming along for about 10 hours with no problem.

This would probably be a good test case for mailman: add some percentage of
known dead addresses to a list and see what mailman does. 

Thanks for your help, it seems to be working now.

Morgan
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From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Mon Feb 18 18:28:33 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:28:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber options
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218112336.02667340@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>

Hello

I am in the process of moving some rather large announce only lists from 
Topica to my own server using Mailman.  I have looked for solutions to my 
problems but cannot find them...so I am going to ask here and hope someone 
can help me.

Currently I see that I can veiw 30 subscribers at a time...is there anyway 
to view more?  One of my lists has in excess of 20,000 subscribers and 
looking at them 30 at a time is too difficult to handle!

Is there a search feature for subcribers so that I could search for 
joe at joesdomain.com and be instantly taken to the options for that user?

In addition to the above...is there an easy way to unsubscribe users 
without having to use the password feature?  With large lists 
administrating using a password is very hard...especially with clueless 
users!  ;)

My lists are humour related and all opt-in...but I KNOW that someone is 
going to demand that I unsubscribe them...if I have to search through 
20,000 subs 30 at a time...that is way too tedious!

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Paul




From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Mon Feb 18 18:28:13 2002
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: 18 Feb 2002 14:28:13 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] statistics
Message-ID: <1014053294.3200.32.camel@julieta>

I remember when I was a FidoNet node used a small software to produce
statistics of trafic of an echoarea (a mail list).  Said statistics had
i.e. the 10 best poster, the biggest thread, etc. I had a cron that
posted the statistics results into the proper list one time a month.

Can you tell me if exists something like this to use with mailman?

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From pareilly at tcd.ie  Mon Feb 18 19:01:28 2002
From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email admin + / ?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.30.0202181801160.35067-100000@web2.tcd.ie>

Hi,

I've been using mailman for a while and it's great.
I have 2 questions

1) how can I auto-subscribe someone to a list, without accessing the
   web page, but by sending an email ? In majordomo this would be like
   sending an "approve" message with the users details...

2) I've mailman installed at http://lists.domain.com/
   Can I assign th root web folder to /mailman/listinfo ?
   I think thould break things. Basically I just want the public
   page showing what lists are here to come up at the
   base URL of http://lists.domain.com/


Thanks

Paul





From kirby at korrnet.org  Mon Feb 18 19:02:59 2002
From: kirby at korrnet.org (Joe Kirby)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:02:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms problems
Message-ID: <3C7141D3.69CB3FEA@korrnet.org>

My lists are working just fine, and all of the command line admin
features work.

When I go to http://server/mailman/admin/listname and enter my site
password, I get an error back saying "Authorization Failed". I have
tried setting the site password using mmsitepass. Everything worked fine
last month. I can't thing if anything that I have done other than apply
the RedHat upgrades.

Any suggestions?

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From kirby at korrnet.org  Mon Feb 18 19:05:19 2002
From: kirby at korrnet.org (Joe Kirby)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Check_perms (Part II)
Message-ID: <3C71425F.714E47B@korrnet.org>

Sorry! I forgot to show the problem with check_perms.

When I try to run ./check_perms :


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./check_perms", line 50, in ?
    MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation


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From morgan at hahaha.org  Mon Feb 18 19:44:06 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:44:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms problems
In-Reply-To: <3C7141D3.69CB3FEA@korrnet.org> (Joe Kirby's message of "Mon,
 18 Feb 2002 13:02:59 -0500")
References: <3C7141D3.69CB3FEA@korrnet.org>
Message-ID: <874rkevde1.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Joe Kirby <kirby at korrnet.org> writes:

> My lists are working just fine, and all of the command line admin
> features work.
>
> When I go to http://server/mailman/admin/listname and enter my site
> password, I get an error back saying "Authorization Failed". I have
> tried setting the site password using mmsitepass. Everything worked fine
> last month. I can't thing if anything that I have done other than apply
> the RedHat upgrades.

I've found that I had to clear my browser's cache and clean out mailman's
admin cookie(s) when I've made network changes.

Morgan
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From BBodnyk at fciconnect.com  Mon Feb 18 20:01:01 2002
From: BBodnyk at fciconnect.com (Bodnyk, Bruce W)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Threads
Message-ID: <8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968E783@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com>

Hi,

I just got Mailman up and running. I've been doing some testing by posting
messages to a
list I created and then replying to them. I see that Mailman maintains an
archive that you
can view in a variety of different ways one of which is by thread.

I would have expected that replies to a thread to be indented but all the
postings and replies
are lined up starting at the same column of the page. Does something need to
be done to
enable replies to a posting to be indented or does Mailman just not do this?

Thanks!
Bruce

Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

Phone: (717) 938-7543
Fax: (717) 938-7224
E-Mail: bbodnyk at fciconnect.com





From romaniuc at nib.unicamp.br  Mon Feb 18 20:19:54 2002
From: romaniuc at nib.unicamp.br (Alan Romaniuc)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:19:54 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No response
Message-ID: <3C7153D9.AD574E15@nib.unicamp.br>


Hi,

    I?m running (or trying) mailman, using postfix on FreBSD 4.5 ....
after I?ve solved all problems (like GID 65534 problems) my mailman does
not give answer.... I try to subscribe or send a e-mail to the list biut
nothing happens.... maillog is OK and mailman/logs/* too.......

    Can anyone help me?????




From scott at noggon.com  Mon Feb 18 19:58:45 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:58:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problems during new setup ([Errno 13] Permission denied)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202181749410.11255-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

Hi all Python/Mailman experts,

I am having problems setting up Mailman (1.1 and 2.05, 2.08 and 2.07) My
problem seems to revolve around permissions. I configured mailman with the
following command line (as suggested by the exim-howto):

./configure --with-mail-gid=8 --with-cgi-gid=65534
--prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-ownername=mail --with-ownergroup=mail
--with-username=mail --host=noggon.com --with-groupname=mail

Firstly almost all installed files need their permissions changed (using
bin/check_perms bad gid (has: scott, expected mail) (fixing)) - is this a
normal part of installation?

Once all steps in the INSTALL file have been done then begin the errors
(in the apache error log):

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 71, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'

But what I do not understand is that the permission on the error file seem
as I would expect!:
-rw-rw-r--    1 mail     mail    0 Feb 18 18:22 /var/lib/mailman/logs/error

It seems as though the webserver must have write permission to the
logs/error file - this makes sense as the error is being created by the
cgi-bin script. But annoying! and not picked up by check_perms

Correcting the permissions (so the webserver has access to the files)
seems to put the permissions in a loop of webserver->mail->webserver
(each change causing an error).

Creating a list using bin/newlist also causes problems because the list
files (esp. /var/lib/mailman/lists/test/config.db) does not allow the
webserver to read it - so viewing details of this list causes an error

I have searched high and low for others having similar problems but none
give insight into a solution.

I would appreicate any help

Thanks

Scott

Additional information:

The exim configuration (as per the Howto) seems to function fine.


- My exim (MTA) runs as mail:mail
- Apache runs as nobody:nogroup
- apache 1.3.9-14
- exim           3.12-10.2
- python-base 1.5.2-10potato Python 1.5.2 (#0, Dec 27 2000, 13:59:38)
[GCC 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/Linux)] on linux2

-- error log from $prefix/logs/error

admin(11163): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.7 -----]
admin(11163): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(11163): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(11163):   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in
run_main
admin(11163):     main()
admin(11163):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 69,
in main
admin(11163):     mlist.Lock()
admin(11163):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in
Lock
admin(11163):     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
admin(11163):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in
lock
admin(11163):     self.__write()
admin(11163):   File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in
__write
admin(11163):     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
admin(11163): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/lib/mailman/locks/test.lock.kiko.11163'
admin(11163): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(11163): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#0, Dec 27 2000, 13:59:38)  [GCC
2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/Linux)]
admin(11163): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(11163): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(11163): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(11163): sys.path       = /usr
admin(11163): sys.platform   = linux2
admin(11163): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(11163):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/noggon/
admin(11163):   SERVER_ADDR: 195.149.61.228
admin(11163):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(11163):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 77
admin(11163):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(11163):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/noggon/test
admin(11163):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(11163):   UNIQUE_ID: PHE9WMOVPeQAACckJ3w
admin(11163):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-gb
admin(11163):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(11163):   REMOTE_ADDR: 213.98.26.235
admin(11163):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(11163):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(11163):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0;
Windows 98)
admin(11163):   HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(11163):   REQUEST_URI: /cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe/test
admin(11163):   PATH: /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin
admin(11163):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(11163):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/www/noggon/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe
admin(11163):   PATH_INFO: /test
admin(11163):   HTTP_HOST: www.noggon.com
admin(11163):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(11163):   SERVER_SIGNATURE:
admin(11163):   SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe
admin(11163):   SERVER_ADMIN: scott at noggon.com
admin(11163):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) Debian/GNU
admin(11163):   PYTHONPATH: /var/lib/mailman
admin(11163):   HTTP_COOKIE:
test:admin=280200000069db27713c732800000038353934663736313965333039303735393865363033663136313239303534373037306537333832
admin(11163):   SERVER_NAME: www.noggon.com
admin(11163):   REMOTE_PORT: 60795
admin(11163):   HTTP_REFERER: http://www.noggon.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/test









From jeff at xsusio.com  Mon Feb 18 22:04:44 2002
From: jeff at xsusio.com (Jeffrey Davis)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:04:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to search archives?
Message-ID: <220A91E4-24B3-11D6-88A7-0003930931C4@xsusio.com>

"new to mailman" has this comment:

I wanted to be  a good problem solver and search the lists archives for 
my answers but realized that mailman doesn't have a search engine (aside 
from downloading the tar.gzip archive and grepping it!)

Is there some python plugin that could be used?

Sorry if this question has been asked before




From mitol at optushome.com.au  Mon Feb 18 22:13:57 2002
From: mitol at optushome.com.au (Joe Mizzi)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:13:57 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe users without confirmation
Message-ID: <001c01c1b8c1$2dcb9480$0100a8c0@vic.optushome.com.au>

How would i be able to subscribe users through the web interface without having them reply to a confirmation email?

Joe
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From yung at sinapsisglobal.com  Tue Feb 19 00:27:15 2002
From: yung at sinapsisglobal.com (yung)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:27:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMAIL+MAILMAN
Message-ID: <MMEOIICPCCPHKCCNEEJDCEGPCDAA.yung@sinapsisglobal.com>

Hello guys,

I am trying to use MAILMAN with QMAIL, so I was wondering if there was some
documentation on it somewhere?. Also wish to know how to add domains on a
mailman, from installation, administration, to user adding and stuff.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
Yung
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Feb 18 22:26:48 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:26:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe users without confirmation
In-Reply-To: <001c01c1b8c1$2dcb9480$0100a8c0@vic.optushome.com.au>
References: <001c01c1b8c1$2dcb9480$0100a8c0@vic.optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <20020218212648.GF16613@merlins.org>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 08:13:57AM +1100, Joe Mizzi wrote:
> How would i  be able to subscribe users through  the web interface without
> having them reply to a confirmation email?

You can write a small CGI that calls 
~mailman/bin/remove_members listname email

Of course, it then lets me unsubscribe you, but in some cases that's an
acceptable tradeoff

Marc
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From scott at noggon.com  Mon Feb 18 21:35:38 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:35:38 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to search archives?
In-Reply-To: <220A91E4-24B3-11D6-88A7-0003930931C4@xsusio.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202182018030.11371-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

Hi Jeffrey,

Take a look at this thread:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-October/014447.html

The patch uses htdig and is on sourgeforge

I think this should *either* be an included feature (it is on the
wishlist) or, in the meantime, in the FAQ doc

Cheers

Scott


On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Jeffrey Davis wrote:

> "new to mailman" has this comment:
>
> I wanted to be  a good problem solver and search the lists archives for
> my answers but realized that mailman doesn't have a search engine (aside
> from downloading the tar.gzip archive and grepping it!)
>
> Is there some python plugin that could be used?
>
> Sorry if this question has been asked before
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>






From yung at sinapsisglobal.com  Tue Feb 19 00:49:59 2002
From: yung at sinapsisglobal.com (yung)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:49:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN + QMAIL
Message-ID: <MMEOIICPCCPHKCCNEEJDAEHBCDAA.yung@sinapsisglobal.com>

Hello guys,

I am trying to use MAILMAN with QMAIL, so I was wondering if there was some
documentation on it somewhere?. Also wish to know how to add domains on a
mailman, from installation, administration, to user adding and stuff.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
Yung



From paul-l at integration.qc.ca  Tue Feb 19 00:54:25 2002
From: paul-l at integration.qc.ca (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about digests and accents
Message-ID: <20020218235425.GV13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>

Hi,

I have a problem with digests generated by MailMan, when messages contain
accents. The topics are displaying them incorrectly and so do the plain text
digests.

I did my own research around the subject and couldn't find much about it, it
looks like it's a limitation of the current version of MailMan. Before
declaring the case closed, though, I would like to ask if anyone found a
solution to this or if someone can provide me with some hints to a solution.

Thank you,

		  Paul

-- 
I intend to live forever - so far so good.




From Steve at Brainstorm.co.uk  Tue Feb 19 03:38:22 2002
From: Steve at Brainstorm.co.uk (Steve Crook)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:38:22 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Message too big" doesn't get an error
Message-ID: <3C71BA9E.DFA93B82@Brainstorm.co.uk>

I'm fairly new to Mailman, somebody else set it up on our site
and has now left.

It seems to be working well except ...

When a list has a message size limit & something larger than that
is sent to the list there doesn't seem to be any message sent to
warn either the person who posted the message that was too big
or to the list manager.

I tried to search the SourceForge bug page at
http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=103 but it's down for
maintenance.

I tried to use the Python.Org advanced search page at
http://search.python.org but that doesn't seem to know anything
about Python Mailing list Archives

Obviously not my day :)

    Steve





From fball at franciscans.com  Tue Feb 19 05:08:02 2002
From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:08:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Message too big" doesn't get an error
In-Reply-To: <3C71BA9E.DFA93B82@Brainstorm.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218220518.02b34008@mail.jfredball.com>

At 02:38 AM 2/19/2002 +0000, Steve Crook wrote:

>When a list has a message size limit & something larger than that
>is sent to the list there doesn't seem to be any message sent to
>warn either the person who posted the message that was too big
>or to the list manager.

Under General Options, have you set:

         Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?

to "Yes"?

The list manager(s), if listed in the second field on that same page, are 
notified that (listname) post from (sender's address) requires approval, 
and are invited to visit the admin page, where they are notified of the 
reason the post is held -- i.e., the message is too big.  Happens fairly 
regularly on one of my lists.

Fred




From Steve at Brainstorm.co.uk  Tue Feb 19 06:34:35 2002
From: Steve at Brainstorm.co.uk (Steve Crook)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:34:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Message too big" doesn't get an error
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218220518.02b34008@mail.jfredball.com>
Message-ID: <3C71E3EB.DBFCDF79@Brainstorm.co.uk>

"J. Frederick Ball OEF" wrote:

> At 02:38 AM 2/19/2002 +0000, Steve Crook wrote:
>
> >When a list has a message size limit & something larger than that
> >is sent to the list there doesn't seem to be any message sent to
> >warn either the person who posted the message that was too big
> >or to the list manager.
>
> Under General Options, have you set:
>
>          Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?
>
> to "Yes"?

Yes, that is set to "Yes"


>
> The list manager(s), if listed in the second field on that same page, are
> notified that (listname) post from (sender's address) requires approval,
> and are invited to visit the admin page, where they are notified of the
> reason the post is held -- i.e., the message is too big.  Happens fairly
> regularly on one of my lists.
>
> Fred

And the list manager is explicitly specified with their full email address

But it doesn't send any message to either the list manager OR the
person who sent the message that was too big. The message that
is too big isn't distributed to the list and it isn't in the archive

It just goes into a black hole & is never seen again.

But the sender doesn't know this, if they weren't a list member they
wouldn't expect anything (if posting isn't restricted to list members)
so assume that the message was sent and distributed OK

    Steve





From stephen at xemacs.org  Tue Feb 19 08:26:22 2002
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: 19 Feb 2002 16:26:22 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber options
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218112336.02667340@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218112336.02667340@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <87it8ulyox.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Croft <paul at paulsfunhouse.com> writes:

    Paul> Currently I see that I can veiw 30 subscribers at a
    Paul> time...is there anyway to view more?

I think you have to hack the source, but it's not hard.  Probably you
don't need to, though.

    Paul> Is there a search feature for subcribers so that I could
    Paul> search for joe at joesdomain.com and be instantly taken to the
    Paul> options for that user?

Not exactly.  The standard member admin page contains not only the
current page of 30 users, but a list of links, one for each page.  So
you can randomly access each batch of 30.

    Paul> In addition to the above...is there an easy way to
    Paul> unsubscribe users without having to use the password
    Paul> feature?

I assume you're referring to the user password; that's irrelevant to
the admin.  Once authorized for the admin functions, the admin just
checks or unchecks appropriate toggles on the member admin page, then
hits Submit.  Only the users need their own passwords.  For the admin,
once authorized, the password is replaced by a cookie, which lasts for
your browser session (although you can explicitly log out if you'll be
away from your desk or something).



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              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From jessica at anticlockwise.com  Tue Feb 19 04:25:03 2002
From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:25:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From: vs. Sender: and MS Outlook
Message-ID: <20020219032508.DC19E40E@lenin.anticlockwise.com>

Oh no. I've just discovered that Outlook replies to the "Sender:"
field, over the "From:" field in many situations. It uses "From:" when
you hit "Reply", but it uses "Sender:" to display the "From:" field in
certain places (only some places! it's crazy!), and worst of all, it
uses Sender: when you respond to Outlook calendar announcements.

This is bad in our environment, where nearly everyone uses Outlook,
and people often send meeting announcement to the all-company list.
Now that I've moved our lists to mailman, all of these calendar responses
go to the list-admin (me!). Yuck.

There's no way I'm going to be able to get these people to stop using
Outlook, so I'm looking for other solutions to this problem. 

Do you think it'd be a *really* bad idea for me to modify mailman
to not include the Sender: field at all?

I realize it's contrary to RFC 822.. But is it actually *bad* in any
practical sense that I'm not realizing?

Does anyone here follow these things and know what Microsoft's
position on this is? It seems pretty clear to me that their using
the "Sender:" header like that is just *wrong*, but maybe I'm
missing something.

--jessica





From hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com  Tue Feb 19 10:20:08 2002
From: hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com (Hakon Brynildsen)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:20:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe users without confirmation
References: <001c01c1b8c1$2dcb9480$0100a8c0@vic.optushome.com.au> <20020218212648.GF16613@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <3C7218C8.E0EA48B2@framestore-cfc.com>

You can also change some default parameters in mm_cfg.py, but listen to
Merlin's warning.


Output from Defaults.py : 
> # SUBSCRIBE POLICY
> # 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1) **
> # 1 - confirmation required for subscribes
> # 2 - admin approval required for subscribes
> # 3 - both confirmation and admin approval required
> #
> # ** please do not choose option 0 if you are not allowing open
> # subscribes (next variable)
> DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 1
> 
> # does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions?
> ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 0


Marc MERLIN wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 08:13:57AM +1100, Joe Mizzi wrote:
> > How would i  be able to subscribe users through  the web interface without
> > having them reply to a confirmation email?
> 
> You can write a small CGI that calls
> ~mailman/bin/remove_members listname email
> 
> Of course, it then lets me unsubscribe you, but in some cases that's an
> acceptable tradeoff
> 
> Marc
> --
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> 
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> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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IS - Framestore CFC



From BBodnyk at fciconnect.com  Tue Feb 19 14:26:09 2002
From: BBodnyk at fciconnect.com (Bodnyk, Bruce W)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:26:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Performance
Message-ID: <8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968E78C@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com>

I'm running mailman on a Compaq 450Mz Pentium II with 512Mb of memory.
I started adding users by sending an email to the list-request and the email
has about 50 names on it. I'm finding that Mailman is adding at max two
people
per minute.

I'm wondering whether this machine may be too slow to serve as a mail
exploder.
Or possibly there may be some customizations or tweaking I can do to speed
up the Mailman processing.

Any thoughts!

Thanks!
Bruce

Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

Phone: (717) 938-7543
Fax: (717) 938-7224
E-Mail: bbodnyk at fciconnect.com





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Feb 19 16:20:00 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 19 Feb 2002 16:20:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email admin + / ?
In-Reply-To: Paul Reilly's message of "Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:01:28 +0000 (GMT)"
References: <Pine.OSF.4.30.0202181801160.35067-100000@web2.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <m3n0y5xzvj.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Paul Reilly <pareilly at tcd.ie> writes:

> 2) I've mailman installed at http://lists.domain.com/
>    Can I assign th root web folder to /mailman/listinfo ?
>    I think thould break things. Basically I just want the public
>    page showing what lists are here to come up at the
>    base URL of http://lists.domain.com/

,----[ /etc/httpd/httpd.conf ]
| ...
| DocumentRoot "/home/mailman"
| RedirectMatch ^/$ "http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/"
| ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
| Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
| ...
`----


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Feb 19 16:23:19 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 19 Feb 2002 16:23:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set up a read-only list?
In-Reply-To: Jonas Meurer's message of "Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:46:14 +0100"
References: <20020214144614.GA1362@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <m3it8txzq0.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Jonas Meurer <jonas at freesources.org> writes:

> How can I set up a read-only list?

Sorry, it's a FAQ. Please browse the archive.


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Feb 19 16:29:36 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 19 Feb 2002 16:29:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML mail and attachments
In-Reply-To: "Maurice  Lafleur"'s message of "Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:06:11 -0800"
References: <200202181606.g1IG6Bf21574@superglide.netfx-2000.net>
Message-ID: <m3eljhxzfj.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Maurice  Lafleur" <mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com> writes:

> I need to stop HTML mail and posts with attachments to reach mailing lists. 
> 
> How do I do this?

stripmime => http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html
demime => http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

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From mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com  Tue Feb 19 18:02:24 2002
From: mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com (Maurice  Lafleur)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:02:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime and aliases
Message-ID: <200202191702.g1JH2OI04833@superglide.netfx-2000.net>

Hi every one,

I am having the hardest time setting up stripmime. It is something you will (probably) find trivial, and it should be too, but I can't get it to 
work.

I installed stripmime in /etc/local/bin, set the permission to 755, created a symlink in /etc/smrsh (called stripmime.pl) that points to 
/usr/local/bin/stripmime andfinally set the aliases as follows:

## test mailing list
## created: 18-Feb-2002 mailman
test:                    "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

I, of course, issued the newaliases command.

If I send an HTML mail to the "test" it flows directly to the list unchanged. 

When I test stripmime.pl with an HTML mail at the console like:

/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl ugly-mail.html

it comes out cleaned out by the script.

Here's an except from maillog, showing that stripmime seems to be invoked:

Feb 18 13:16:42 ommadawn sendmail[7471]: g1IIGSj07470: to="|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test",
       ctladdr=<test at ommadawn.cegep-heritage.qc.ca> (8/0), delay=00:00:14, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=461547, dsn=2.0.0, 
stat=Sent

So, fools me. I can't make sense of all this. Help please!!

Regards,
MGL


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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Feb 19 18:03:51 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:03:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe users without confirmation
In-Reply-To: <3C7218C8.E0EA48B2@framestore-cfc.com>
References: <001c01c1b8c1$2dcb9480$0100a8c0@vic.optushome.com.au> <20020218212648.GF16613@merlins.org> <3C7218C8.E0EA48B2@framestore-cfc.com>
Message-ID: <20020219170351.GA21939@merlins.org>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 09:20:08AM +0000, Hakon Brynildsen wrote:
> You can also change some default parameters in mm_cfg.py, but listen to
> Merlin's warning.

Actually I read "unsubscribe" instead of subscribe. For open unsubscribes in
mailman 2.0, you need a CGI gateway.
For open subscribes, you should use the mailman setting here:

> > # does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions?
> > ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 0
 
> Marc MERLIN wrote:
> > Of course, it then lets me unsubscribe you, but in some cases that's an
> > acceptable tradeoff

Actually it's different.
Open unsubscribes on the internet can be acceptable.'
Open subscriber _never_ are.

In other words, you should never have a list on the internet where people
can subscribe other people against their weill.
If you do, you can eventually get subscribed to the MAPS blacklist
http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/3wayhandshake.txt

Marc

PS: add_members has a bug where if you feed it a list of members on the
command line, it indeed doesn't work. You have to feed them via pipe
and use -n -
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From nmontano at laplaza.org  Tue Feb 19 18:13:24 2002
From: nmontano at laplaza.org (Nancy Montano)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:13:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages stuck
Message-ID: <3C7287B3.710F8FEB@laplaza.org>

We host multiple mailing lists.  Last week we had a power outage and the
server that mailman reside on went down.  Since then no messages are
being received by subscribers.  They are getting posted to the mailing
lists archives.  I received  the following from the serve reagrding one
of the mailing lists.  Anyone out there has any suggestions????

Your "cron" job on elvis
> /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue
>
> produced the following output:
>
> Logging error: <StampedLogger to
> '/usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp-failures'>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in
> __get_f
> IOError: (24, 'Too many open files')
> Original log message:
> (24, 'Too many open files')

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From Elena at rlindsay.net  Tue Feb 19 20:29:30 2002
From: Elena at rlindsay.net (Elena)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:29:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with footer strings.
In-Reply-To: <00f301c1b495$4f617b80$402690c6@davekle>
Message-ID: <LNBBLDGGMNMDINLKJPNACEFPGKAA.Elena@rlindsay.net>

I'm trying to change the footers on my mailing list but keep getting an
"invalid footer" message.  If I have a statement that's 20 words long, how
should I enter the string?

Sorry, I'm new at this, I don't understand the instructions and the guy who
helped me with the installation of the list is out of town.  Thanks






From morgan at hahaha.org  Tue Feb 19 20:43:56 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:43:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Performance
In-Reply-To: <8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968E78C@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com> ("Bodnyk,
 Bruce W"'s message of "Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:26:09 -0500")
References: <8C2CC3E3AA09284EA73C305B2D25F59968E78C@exet.tron.am.fciconnect.com>
Message-ID: <87lmdpjlz7.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

"Bodnyk, Bruce W" <BBodnyk at fciconnect.com> writes:
> I'm running mailman on a Compaq 450Mz Pentium II with 512Mb of memory.  I
> started adding users by sending an email to the list-request and the
> email has about 50 names on it. I'm finding that Mailman is adding at max
> two people per minute.
>
> I'm wondering whether this machine may be too slow to serve as a mail
> exploder.  Or possibly there may be some customizations or tweaking I can
> do to speed up the Mailman processing.

I built out a mailing list with 1800 members with bin/add_members, and it
was slow to add them. I later found out the drag was due mostly to all the
bounces that were coming back. (There were over two hundred dead addresses
in that set.)

Machine is a P3/550MHz with 512MB RAM, running NetBSD 1.5.1.

It's only been a few days, but I have seen no performance problems with
mailman delivery since. We're running postfix for the MTA. Cleaning out the
dead addresses was critical. We average about 100 messages a day.

My only real problem right now is trying to push 360MB worth of majordomo
archives through pipermail without crashing pipermail.

Morgan

















From ted-mailman at mob.net  Tue Feb 19 21:40:42 2002
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:40:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
Message-ID: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net>

Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and it worked near 
flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out. I've installed 
2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday. 

It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some mails to them. 
So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start to configure 
them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem started. I put in 
all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that next page as 
normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd features and 
the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked permissions to make 
sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home directory. I even 
decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that produced the 
same results. I can't imagine that there is something so drastically different 
from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't figure it out. Can 
anyone make any suggestions?

I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they are reporting no 
errors related to the mailman account or directories or permissions. It all 
appears perfectly correct. 

Please advise.


-ted



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 19 21:27:08 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:27:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you are using
Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new cookie
layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of your
changes are accepted.

Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE have the
same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site with your
Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works... except maybe
it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!


> Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and it worked
near
> flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out. I've
installed
> 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
>
> It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some mails to
them.
> So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start to
configure
> them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem started. I
put in
> all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that next page
as
> normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd
features and
> the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked permissions to
make
> sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home directory.
I even
> decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that produced
the
> same results. I can't imagine that there is something so drastically
different
> from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't figure it
out. Can
> anyone make any suggestions?
>
> I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they are reporting
no
> errors related to the mailman account or directories or permissions. It
all
> appears perfectly correct.
>
> Please advise.
>
>
> -ted
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ted-mailman at mob.net  Tue Feb 19 22:17:35 2002
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:17:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net> <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <1014153455.3c72c0ef415d9@www.mob.net>

Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this. 

After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79 but the same 
thing happened.

I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add. The hostname 
isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand new system thats 
about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set up my local 
hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh, and this is also 
a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I had to do that 
host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up. 

Could either of those two things matter? 

Thanks.

-ted

Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:

> This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you are
> using
> Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new cookie
> layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of your
> changes are accepted.
> 
> Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE have
> the
> same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site with
> your
> Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works... except
> maybe
> it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
> 
> 
> > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and it
> worked
> near
> > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out. I've
> installed
> > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> >
> > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some mails
> to
> them.
> > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start to
> configure
> > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem started.
> I
> put in
> > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that next
> page
> as
> > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd
> features and
> > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> permissions to
> make
> > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home
> directory.
> I even
> > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that
> produced
> the
> > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so drastically
> different
> > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't figure
> it
> out. Can
> > anyone make any suggestions?
> >
> > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they are
> reporting
> no
> > errors related to the mailman account or directories or permissions.
> It
> all
> > appears perfectly correct.
> >
> > Please advise.
> >
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 19 21:52:23 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net> <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <1014153455.3c72c0ef415d9@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <025e01c1b987$54a09c60$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the virtual
hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it is the
domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when you access
the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice way to
troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?

Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!


> Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
>
> After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79 but the
same
> thing happened.
>
> I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add. The
hostname
> isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand new system
thats
> about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set up my
local
> hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh, and this
is also
> a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I had to do
that
> host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
>
> Could either of those two things matter?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -ted
>
> Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
>
> > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you are
> > using
> > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new cookie
> > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of your
> > changes are accepted.
> >
> > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE have
> > the
> > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site with
> > your
> > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works... except
> > maybe
> > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
> >
> >
> > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and it
> > worked
> > near
> > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out. I've
> > installed
> > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > >
> > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some mails
> > to
> > them.
> > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start to
> > configure
> > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem started.
> > I
> > put in
> > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that next
> > page
> > as
> > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd
> > features and
> > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> > permissions to
> > make
> > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home
> > directory.
> > I even
> > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that
> > produced
> > the
> > > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so drastically
> > different
> > > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't figure
> > it
> > out. Can
> > > anyone make any suggestions?
> > >
> > > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they are
> > reporting
> > no
> > > errors related to the mailman account or directories or permissions.
> > It
> > all
> > > appears perfectly correct.
> > >
> > > Please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > > -ted
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ted-mailman at mob.net  Tue Feb 19 22:49:04 2002
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:49:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <025e01c1b987$54a09c60$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net> <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <1014153455.3c72c0ef415d9@www.mob.net> <025e01c1b987$54a09c60$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <1014155344.3c72c85056747@www.mob.net>

Thats a great idea.

Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list server and virtual 
website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx to the 
localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I authenticated and went 
to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened. I told lynx 
to Always accept cookies so I know it's working. 

I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many past archives but 
am finding nothing related to this exact problem.

-ted

Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:

> Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the
> virtual
> hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it is
> the
> domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when you
> access
> the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice way
> to
> troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
> 
> 
> > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> >
> > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79 but
> the
> same
> > thing happened.
> >
> > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add. The
> hostname
> > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand new
> system
> thats
> > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set up
> my
> local
> > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh, and
> this
> is also
> > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I had
> to do
> that
> > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> >
> > Could either of those two things matter?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> >
> > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you
> are
> > > using
> > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new
> cookie
> > > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of
> your
> > > changes are accepted.
> > >
> > > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE
> have
> > > the
> > > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site
> with
> > > your
> > > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works...
> except
> > > maybe
> > > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and
> it
> > > worked
> > > near
> > > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out.
> I've
> > > installed
> > > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some
> mails
> > > to
> > > them.
> > > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start
> to
> > > configure
> > > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem
> started.
> > > I
> > > put in
> > > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that
> next
> > > page
> > > as
> > > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried
> non-useradd
> > > features and
> > > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> > > permissions to
> > > make
> > > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home
> > > directory.
> > > I even
> > > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that
> > > produced
> > > the
> > > > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so
> drastically
> > > different
> > > > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't
> figure
> > > it
> > > out. Can
> > > > anyone make any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they are
> > > reporting
> > > no
> > > > errors related to the mailman account or directories or
> permissions.
> > > It
> > > all
> > > > appears perfectly correct.
> > > >
> > > > Please advise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -ted
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 19 22:14:11 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:14:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net> <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <1014153455.3c72c0ef415d9@www.mob.net> <025e01c1b987$54a09c60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <1014155344.3c72c85056747@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <029501c1b98a$60528250$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db of your
test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the ~mailman/logs/...
Also are there any errors in the apache logs?

Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!


> Thats a great idea.
>
> Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list server and
virtual
> website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx to the
> localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I authenticated
and went
> to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened. I told
lynx
> to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
>
> I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many past
archives but
> am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
>
> -ted
>
> Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
>
> > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the
> > virtual
> > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it is
> > the
> > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when you
> > access
> > the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice way
> > to
> > troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
> >
> >
> > > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> > >
> > > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79 but
> > the
> > same
> > > thing happened.
> > >
> > > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add. The
> > hostname
> > > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand new
> > system
> > thats
> > > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set up
> > my
> > local
> > > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh, and
> > this
> > is also
> > > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I had
> > to do
> > that
> > > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> > >
> > > Could either of those two things matter?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -ted
> > >
> > > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> > >
> > > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you
> > are
> > > > using
> > > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new
> > cookie
> > > > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > > > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of
> > your
> > > > changes are accepted.
> > > >
> > > > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE
> > have
> > > > the
> > > > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works...
> > except
> > > > maybe
> > > > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> > > >
> > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and
> > it
> > > > worked
> > > > near
> > > > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out.
> > I've
> > > > installed
> > > > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > > > >
> > > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some
> > mails
> > > > to
> > > > them.
> > > > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start
> > to
> > > > configure
> > > > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem
> > started.
> > > > I
> > > > put in
> > > > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that
> > next
> > > > page
> > > > as
> > > > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried
> > non-useradd
> > > > features and
> > > > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> > > > permissions to
> > > > make
> > > > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home
> > > > directory.
> > > > I even
> > > > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that
> > > > produced
> > > > the
> > > > > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so
> > drastically
> > > > different
> > > > > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't
> > figure
> > > > it
> > > > out. Can
> > > > > anyone make any suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they are
> > > > reporting
> > > > no
> > > > > errors related to the mailman account or directories or
> > permissions.
> > > > It
> > > > all
> > > > > appears perfectly correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please advise.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -ted
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >




From morgan at hahaha.org  Tue Feb 19 22:31:04 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:31:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <1014153455.3c72c0ef415d9@www.mob.net> (Ted M Harapat's message
 of "Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:17:35 -0600 (CST)")
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net>
	<020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
	<1014153455.3c72c0ef415d9@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <87bself9bb.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Ted M Harapat <ted-mailman at mob.net> writes:
> > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some mails
> > > to them.  So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to
> > > start to configure them and add the users to the lists. Here's where
> > > the problem started.  I put in all the info and hit "Submit Your
> > > Changes" and it went to that next page as normal but none of my
> > > changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd features and the same
> > > thing happened... nothing was saving!
> 
> Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this. 

Try deleting your mailman-generated cookies and emptying your cache(s).

I am serving a list for a virtual domain. I've got apache and postfix set
up to serve the domain properly, including http://domain.xxx/mailman and
http://www.domain.xxx/mailman, and I've told the list to "prefer" that host
name and to use http://www.domain.xxx/mailman for the base URL.

When I tried accessing that URL using the "real" hostname, the cookies
broke and I had to delete them and empty my cache.

Let me know if you'd like anything from my config files.

FWIW, I'm using Mozilla 0.9.8 on Linux.

Morgan





From ted-mailman at mob.net  Tue Feb 19 23:39:39 2002
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:39:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <029501c1b98a$60528250$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net> <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <1014153455.3c72c0ef415d9@www.mob.net> <025e01c1b987$54a09c60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <1014155344.3c72c85056747@www.mob.net> <029501c1b98a$60528250$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <1014158379.3c72d42bc9b29@www.mob.net>

Well, I did look around the install and compared it to my other system's 2.0.6 
install and it seemed very similar in the way the rights were set. The config.db 
file (in this particular list) is owned by nobody (which apache is running as) 
and group of mailman. In fact, I just checked and every file in the mailman home 
dir is either owned by the user or group of mailman.

After my previous email to you, I even did something far fetched to make sure I 
could write to it. I made a copy of the mailman home dir (preserving 
permissions) and did a recursive chmod 777 against the original mailman 
directory. And then ran the website... it STILL didn't let me save info. I 
wouldn't think so otherwise but with results like that, I would think that it 
must be something outside of that directory. I deleted that directory and copied 
my backup dir back over it. 

I just don't have any ideas... I could reinstall it again.. but I'm not so sure 
that doing so would help me. 

-ted

Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:

> Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db of
> your
> test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the
> ~mailman/logs/...
> Also are there any errors in the apache logs?
> 
> Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
> 
> 
> > Thats a great idea.
> >
> > Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list server
> and
> virtual
> > website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx to
> the
> > localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I
> authenticated
> and went
> > to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened. I
> told
> lynx
> > to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
> >
> > I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many past
> archives but
> > am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> >
> > > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the
> > > virtual
> > > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it
> is
> > > the
> > > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when
> you
> > > access
> > > the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice
> way
> > > to
> > > troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or
> info!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> > > >
> > > > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79
> but
> > > the
> > > same
> > > > thing happened.
> > > >
> > > > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add.
> The
> > > hostname
> > > > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand
> new
> > > system
> > > thats
> > > > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set
> up
> > > my
> > > local
> > > > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh,
> and
> > > this
> > > is also
> > > > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I
> had
> > > to do
> > > that
> > > > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> > > >
> > > > Could either of those two things matter?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > -ted
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly
> you
> > > are
> > > > > using
> > > > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the
> new
> > > cookie
> > > > > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > > > > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none
> of
> > > your
> > > > > changes are accepted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of
> IE
> > > have
> > > > > the
> > > > > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web
> site
> > > with
> > > > > your
> > > > > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that
> works...
> > > except
> > > > > maybe
> > > > > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > > > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or
> info!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year
> and
> > > it
> > > > > worked
> > > > > near
> > > > > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked
> out.
> > > I've
> > > > > installed
> > > > > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent
> some
> > > mails
> > > > > to
> > > > > them.
> > > > > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to
> start
> > > to
> > > > > configure
> > > > > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the
> problem
> > > started.
> > > > > I
> > > > > put in
> > > > > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to
> that
> > > next
> > > > > page
> > > > > as
> > > > > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried
> > > non-useradd
> > > > > features and
> > > > > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> > > > > permissions to
> > > > > make
> > > > > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his
> home
> > > > > directory.
> > > > > I even
> > > > > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but
> that
> > > > > produced
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so
> > > drastically
> > > > > different
> > > > > > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't
> > > figure
> > > > > it
> > > > > out. Can
> > > > > > anyone make any suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they
> are
> > > > > reporting
> > > > > no
> > > > > > errors related to the mailman account or directories or
> > > permissions.
> > > > > It
> > > > > all
> > > > > > appears perfectly correct.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please advise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -ted
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From ted-mailman at mob.net  Wed Feb 20 00:00:56 2002
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:00:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <87bself9bb.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net> <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <1014153455.3c72c0ef415d9@www.mob.net> <87bself9bb.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1014159656.3c72d92887b2c@www.mob.net>

Hi Morgan. 

I may be interested in those files. I'd love to determine what I'm doing wrong 
with this setup though. 

I tried clearing both the cookies and the cache locally and I even restarted 
each of the browsers. That didn't work. So I booted up my linux workstation in 
my cube and launced Netscape there after I set my /etc/hosts file to point that 
hostname to that IP. That came up with the same problems. I should have known 
that it would considering that lynx on the list server's CLI did that too. I'm 
not sure what is stopping me. Especially considering that my version of 2.0.6 
Mailman is on the very same version of linux (with different packages 
installed) as this new 2.0.8 install. 

I'll try some more things but I may write you to ask for those configurations 
if all else fails. 

-ted

Quoting Morgan Fletcher <morgan at hahaha.org>:

> Ted M Harapat <ted-mailman at mob.net> writes:
> > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some
> mails
> > > > to them.  So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface
> to
> > > > start to configure them and add the users to the lists. Here's
> where
> > > > the problem started.  I put in all the info and hit "Submit Your
> > > > Changes" and it went to that next page as normal but none of my
> > > > changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd features and the
> same
> > > > thing happened... nothing was saving!
> > 
> > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this. 
> 
> Try deleting your mailman-generated cookies and emptying your
> cache(s).
> 
> I am serving a list for a virtual domain. I've got apache and postfix
> set
> up to serve the domain properly, including http://domain.xxx/mailman
> and
> http://www.domain.xxx/mailman, and I've told the list to "prefer" that
> host
> name and to use http://www.domain.xxx/mailman for the base URL.
> 
> When I tried accessing that URL using the "real" hostname, the cookies
> broke and I had to delete them and empty my cache.
> 
> Let me know if you'd like anything from my config files.
> 
> FWIW, I'm using Mozilla 0.9.8 on Linux.
> 
> Morgan
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From scott at noggon.com  Tue Feb 19 22:02:31 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:02:31 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <1014158379.3c72d42bc9b29@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192059030.31494-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

Ted,

as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron job
runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
cron to be run as mailman:mailman) This may help me trouble shoot a
problem I have been happening where the permissions are changing to be
mail:mail (in my case) and thereby not allowing the webserver to access
them.

If the cookie problem is likely rember to restart your browser (or open a
new one) these are sometimes loaded on program launch (MS IE anyway) and
even if you have deleted the cookie this will be required.

Cheers

Scott

 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ted M Harapat wrote:

> Well, I did look around the install and compared it to my other system's 2.0.6
> install and it seemed very similar in the way the rights were set. The config.db
> file (in this particular list) is owned by nobody (which apache is running as)
> and group of mailman. In fact, I just checked and every file in the mailman home
> dir is either owned by the user or group of mailman.
>
> After my previous email to you, I even did something far fetched to make sure I
> could write to it. I made a copy of the mailman home dir (preserving
> permissions) and did a recursive chmod 777 against the original mailman
> directory. And then ran the website... it STILL didn't let me save info. I
> wouldn't think so otherwise but with results like that, I would think that it
> must be something outside of that directory. I deleted that directory and copied
> my backup dir back over it.
>
> I just don't have any ideas... I could reinstall it again.. but I'm not so sure
> that doing so would help me.
>
> -ted
>
> Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
>
> > Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db of
> > your
> > test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the
> > ~mailman/logs/...
> > Also are there any errors in the apache logs?
> >
> > Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
> >
> >
> > > Thats a great idea.
> > >
> > > Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list server
> > and
> > virtual
> > > website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx to
> > the
> > > localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I
> > authenticated
> > and went
> > > to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened. I
> > told
> > lynx
> > > to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
> > >
> > > I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many past
> > archives but
> > > am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
> > >
> > > -ted
> > >
> > > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> > >
> > > > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the
> > > > virtual
> > > > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when
> > you
> > > > access
> > > > the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?
> > > >
> > > > Jon Carnes
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or
> > info!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79
> > but
> > > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > thing happened.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add.
> > The
> > > > hostname
> > > > > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand
> > new
> > > > system
> > > > thats
> > > > > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set
> > up
> > > > my
> > > > local
> > > > > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh,
> > and
> > > > this
> > > > is also
> > > > > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I
> > had
> > > > to do
> > > > that
> > > > > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could either of those two things matter?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > -ted
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > > > using
> > > > > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the
> > new
> > > > cookie
> > > > > > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > > > > > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none
> > of
> > > > your
> > > > > > changes are accepted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of
> > IE
> > > > have
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web
> > site
> > > > with
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that
> > works...
> > > > except
> > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > > > > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or
> > info!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year
> > and
> > > > it
> > > > > > worked
> > > > > > near
> > > > > > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked
> > out.
> > > > I've
> > > > > > installed
> > > > > > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent
> > some
> > > > mails
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to
> > start
> > > > to
> > > > > > configure
> > > > > > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the
> > problem
> > > > started.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > put in
> > > > > > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to
> > that
> > > > next
> > > > > > page
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried
> > > > non-useradd
> > > > > > features and
> > > > > > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> > > > > > permissions to
> > > > > > make
> > > > > > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his
> > home
> > > > > > directory.
> > > > > > I even
> > > > > > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but
> > that
> > > > > > produced
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so
> > > > drastically
> > > > > > different
> > > > > > > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't
> > > > figure
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > out. Can
> > > > > > > anyone make any suggestions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they
> > are
> > > > > > reporting
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > errors related to the mailman account or directories or
> > > > permissions.
> > > > > > It
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > appears perfectly correct.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please advise.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -ted
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:05:38 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:05:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192059030.31494-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3C72CC32.1376EF78@pcraft.com>

Scott Spence wrote:

> as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron job
> runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
> cron to be run as mailman:mailman)

    If your MM cron runs as the user mailman, it will retain the mailman permissions.

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From ted-mailman at mob.net  Wed Feb 20 00:15:35 2002
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:15:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192059030.31494-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192059030.31494-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1014160534.3c72dc9702e7a@www.mob.net>

Hello Scott. 

So far, everything is keeping the "mailman:mailman" settings through all the 
cron jobs running (over the two days I've been working on this). The only other 
file permissions anywhere in the setup are the ones owned by "nobody:mailman". 
I'm pretty sure thats because apache created them and their group was set by 
either the sticky bit or the SGID cgi files. I don't think whats happening to 
you is similar to what's happening to me.

I'm sure you've heard this before, but make sure your cron is running the 
included cron jobs as "mailman".

-ted

Quoting Scott Spence <scott at noggon.com>:

> Ted,
> 
> as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron
> job
> runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
> cron to be run as mailman:mailman) This may help me trouble shoot a
> problem I have been happening where the permissions are changing to be
> mail:mail (in my case) and thereby not allowing the webserver to
> access
> them.
> 
> If the cookie problem is likely rember to restart your browser (or open
> a
> new one) these are sometimes loaded on program launch (MS IE anyway)
> and
> even if you have deleted the cookie this will be required.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Scott
> 
>  On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ted M Harapat wrote:
> 
> > Well, I did look around the install and compared it to my other
> system's 2.0.6
> > install and it seemed very similar in the way the rights were set. The
> config.db
> > file (in this particular list) is owned by nobody (which apache is
> running as)
> > and group of mailman. In fact, I just checked and every file in the
> mailman home
> > dir is either owned by the user or group of mailman.
> >
> > After my previous email to you, I even did something far fetched to
> make sure I
> > could write to it. I made a copy of the mailman home dir (preserving
> > permissions) and did a recursive chmod 777 against the original
> mailman
> > directory. And then ran the website... it STILL didn't let me save
> info. I
> > wouldn't think so otherwise but with results like that, I would think
> that it
> > must be something outside of that directory. I deleted that directory
> and copied
> > my backup dir back over it.
> >
> > I just don't have any ideas... I could reinstall it again.. but I'm
> not so sure
> > that doing so would help me.
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> >
> > > Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db
> of
> > > your
> > > test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the
> > > ~mailman/logs/...
> > > Also are there any errors in the apache logs?
> > >
> > > Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or
> info!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thats a great idea.
> > > >
> > > > Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list
> server
> > > and
> > > virtual
> > > > website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx
> to
> > > the
> > > > localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I
> > > authenticated
> > > and went
> > > > to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened.
> I
> > > told
> > > lynx
> > > > to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
> > > >
> > > > I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many
> past
> > > archives but
> > > > am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
> > > >
> > > > -ted
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes
> the
> > > > > virtual
> > > > > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to
> "think" it
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens
> when
> > > you
> > > > > access
> > > > > the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really
> nice
> > > way
> > > > > to
> > > > > troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's
> doing)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > > > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings
> or
> > > info!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape
> 4.79
> > > but
> > > > > the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > thing happened.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should
> add.
> > > The
> > > > > hostname
> > > > > > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a
> brand
> > > new
> > > > > system
> > > > > thats
> > > > > > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply
> set
> > > up
> > > > > my
> > > > > local
> > > > > > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it.
> Oh,
> > > and
> > > > > this
> > > > > is also
> > > > > > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why
> I
> > > had
> > > > > to do
> > > > > that
> > > > > > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could either of those two things matter?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -ted
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question... 
> Undoubtedly
> > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle
> the
> > > new
> > > > > cookie
> > > > > > > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie,
> the
> > > > > > > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus
> none
> > > of
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > changes are accepted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions
> of
> > > IE
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web
> > > site
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that
> > > works...
> > > > > except
> > > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad
> things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > > > > > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings
> or
> > > info!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past
> year
> > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > worked
> > > > > > > near
> > > > > > > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked
> > > out.
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > > installed
> > > > > > > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and
> sent
> > > some
> > > > > mails
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface
> to
> > > start
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > configure
> > > > > > > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the
> > > problem
> > > > > started.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > put in
> > > > > > > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went
> to
> > > that
> > > > > next
> > > > > > > page
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried
> > > > > non-useradd
> > > > > > > features and
> > > > > > > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've
> checked
> > > > > > > permissions to
> > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in
> his
> > > home
> > > > > > > directory.
> > > > > > > I even
> > > > > > > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall
> but
> > > that
> > > > > > > produced
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so
> > > > > drastically
> > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I
> can't
> > > > > figure
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > out. Can
> > > > > > > > anyone make any suggestions?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and
> they
> > > are
> > > > > > > reporting
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > errors related to the mailman account or directories or
> > > > > permissions.
> > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > appears perfectly correct.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please advise.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -ted
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> Scott Mobile: +34 65 337 8573
> Fiona Mobile: +34 65 337 8574
> 



From scott at noggon.com  Tue Feb 19 22:17:46 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:17:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <3C72CC32.1376EF78@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192114220.31494-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

Hi Ashley,

But according to Ted's posting his config.db had the nobody:mailman
permission - not the mailman:mailman permission - so when the cron is run
the permissions will change from nobody:mailman to mailman:mailman
(rw-rw----) right?

To avoid this should the cron be run as nobody:nogroup - and the mailman
group is retained resulting in nobody:mailman?

Thanks for your help with this - I have nearly no hair left!

Scott

 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Scott Spence wrote:
>
> > as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron job
> > runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
> > cron to be run as mailman:mailman)
>
>     If your MM cron runs as the user mailman, it will retain the mailman permissions.
>
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>
>
>
>

Scott Mobile: +34 65 337 8573
Fiona Mobile: +34 65 337 8574





From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org  Sun Feb 17 13:43:27 2002
From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:43:27 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Support for filtering list postings thru external tools?
Message-ID: <200202171243.g1HChS736343@minnie.tuhs.org>

Hi,
	I have searched through the Mailman documentation and the source
code for a way of invoking an external mail filter. My main interest is
to integrate SpamAssassin (http://spamassassin.org/) into Mailman so
that some/most spam mail will get held for approval.

Has anybody done any work to add this functionality? I'm Python illiterate
unfortunately, but I'm assuming that adding some extra configuration
directives and an os.pipe() call in one of the Handlers would do the trick.

Many thanks in advance,
	Warren



From Jim.Klachan at nserc.ca  Mon Feb 18 17:38:29 2002
From: Jim.Klachan at nserc.ca (Jim.Klachan at nserc.ca)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:38:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "aliases"
Message-ID: <C6C8C6B9B0C10E4BB76336A46629600F012DF2D7@ntmail1>

Hi, we would like to have one announce-only mailing list that could be
referred to using two different names. The goal is to support a list with
bilingual announcements where the list could be referenced by either
language. Has anyone done something like this?

	Jim



From cescobar1 at worldbank.org  Mon Feb 18 20:33:39 2002
From: cescobar1 at worldbank.org (cescobar1 at worldbank.org)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:33:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <OF2B007025.5AB0EF44-ON85256B64.006B5F25@worldbank.org>

Will I be able to use Mailman with qmail? Do you know if it will allow us to
generate HTML or text messages, based on the user's profile?
_______________________________________
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Development Gateway
www.developmentgateway.org
email: cescobar1 at worldbank.org
Phone: 202 473 2770
Fax: 202-522-7479






From skebo at adelphia.net  Tue Feb 19 00:27:26 2002
From: skebo at adelphia.net (Mike Brzezinski)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:27:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modifying senddigest's behavior
Message-ID: <02021815272604.01536@morrigan.coreliant.net>

How would I go about changing senddigest so that it would only compile and 
send a digest for only one of my digests, rather than all of them.  Right now 
senddigest grabs all lists under $prefix/lists/ and checks for lists that are 
to be sent in digest format. 

I would like to something like:
30 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests  //sends all 
except foo and bar
30 1 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/sendfoo  //sends foo only
30 2 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/sendbar  //sends bar only

foo and bar would have 'Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size 
threshold isn't reached?' set to 'no'.

Note: my knowledge of Python ~0




From larryk at claire.org  Tue Feb 19 19:34:00 2002
From: larryk at claire.org (Larry Kostmayer)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:34:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumb question
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10202191032440.21926-100000@funbox>

Hi all,

I'm pretty sure I know that answer to this, but I need to ask to be sure.
Is it possible to run Mailman on one machine and the MTA (sendmail) on
another?

Thanks,

-Larry
 

-- 
Larry Kostmayer

"Imagine all the people, sharing all the world."
                          -- John Lennon




From ben at jibemedia.com  Tue Feb 19 22:15:44 2002
From: ben at jibemedia.com (Ben Kempner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:15:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email?
References: <001801c1a9c7$f757d880$88dafea9@awesome> <m3wuxxl76k.fsf@mailman.charite.de>
Message-ID: <000d01c1b98a$9f265740$0400000a@awesome>

I tried this several times and never got an email back.  I've checked
everything three times it seems like, but nothing seems to work to get it to
send me help.

Do you know another way I can find out the commands?

Much appreciated,
Ben

----- Original Message -----
From: "Detlef Neubauer" <detlef.neubauer at charite.de>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email?


> "Ben Kempner" <ben at jibmedia.com> writes:
>
> > Where can I find documentation (or can anyone tell me?) on how to
> > unsubscribe/subscribe people to my mailing list via emails instead
> > of the web-interface?
>
> Send a mail to the listname-request at mailman.server address with the
> word "help" in to the body or subject. Only "help". In the answer you
> get the instuctions. It's only for listmembers, not for listadmins.
>
>
>  Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>  Detlef Neubauer
>
> --
> .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:23:08 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:23:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "aliases"
References: <C6C8C6B9B0C10E4BB76336A46629600F012DF2D7@ntmail1>
Message-ID: <3C72D04B.DCF59F4B@pcraft.com>

Jim.Klachan at nserc.ca wrote:

> Hi, we would like to have one announce-only mailing list that could be
> referred to using two different names. The goal is to support a list with
> bilingual announcements where the list could be referenced by either
> language. Has anyone done something like this?

    You can create two aliases, pointing to the same list:

test: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

check: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
check: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
check: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

    Note though that the email being sent FROM the list will always reflect
whatever the actual list name is.  In the above case, that would be 'test'.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:27:10 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:27:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumb question
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10202191032440.21926-100000@funbox>
Message-ID: <3C72D13E.BE701930@pcraft.com>

Larry Kostmayer wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I know that answer to this, but I need to ask to be sure.
> Is it possible to run Mailman on one machine and the MTA (sendmail) on
> another?

    It is, although this isn't necessarily a mailman setup issue, but more an
MTA's issue.  I have a specific server I use for outgoing messages and one for
incoming:

    scanner    ---->   mailman    ---->   outgoing
    server             server             server

    All the machines are running an MTA, setup as follows:

    scanner server uses the MTA's internal forwarding to the mailman server for
delivery.
    mailman server uses the MTA's smart relay to drop outgoing messages onto
the outgoing server which then delivers to the world.


--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:28:15 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:28:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email?
References: <001801c1a9c7$f757d880$88dafea9@awesome> <m3wuxxl76k.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <000d01c1b98a$9f265740$0400000a@awesome>
Message-ID: <3C72D17F.6F38ADC1@pcraft.com>

Ben Kempner wrote:

> I tried this several times and never got an email back.  I've checked
> everything three times it seems like, but nothing seems to work to get it to
> send me help.

    What happens when you send a message to <list>-request@<host> with 'help' in
the subject?  Help us help you.  What error message(s) are you getting, if any.
Check your MTA's logs, check mailman's logs.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:33:09 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:33:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
References: <OF2B007025.5AB0EF44-ON85256B64.006B5F25@worldbank.org>
Message-ID: <3C72D2A4.EDF37F84@pcraft.com>

cescobar1 at worldbank.org wrote:

> Will I be able to use Mailman with qmail? Do you know if it will allow us to
> generate HTML or text messages, based on the user's profile?

    There are README files specific to mailman+qmail in the distribution that
you can read to help you set it up properly.  As for text/plain or text/html,
mailman currently doesn't make any effort in distinguishing these.  So, if
someone posts in text/plain ot text/html, the message will be delivered to
everyone as such.  Subscribers don't have control over how their messages are
delivered (except for digests).

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:28:15 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:28:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email?
References: <001801c1a9c7$f757d880$88dafea9@awesome> <m3wuxxl76k.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <000d01c1b98a$9f265740$0400000a@awesome>
Message-ID: <3C72D17F.6F38ADC1@pcraft.com>

Ben Kempner wrote:

> I tried this several times and never got an email back.  I've checked
> everything three times it seems like, but nothing seems to work to get it to
> send me help.

    What happens when you send a message to <list>-request@<host> with 'help' in
the subject?  Help us help you.  What error message(s) are you getting, if any.
Check your MTA's logs, check mailman's logs.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:37:35 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:37:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192114220.31494-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3C72D3AF.562CD65@pcraft.com>

Scott Spence wrote:

> But according to Ted's posting his config.db had the nobody:mailman
> permission - not the mailman:mailman permission - so when the cron is run
> the permissions will change from nobody:mailman to mailman:mailman
> (rw-rw----) right?

    My crontask runs as mailman.mailman, however the webserver runs as httpd.daemon.
Whenever something comes through over the web, config.db becomes httpd.mailman, however as
soon as the next crontask runs, everything becomes mailman.mailman again.

    All the files ought to be owned by mailman.mailman, and the sticky bit should help in
retaining the permissions even after the web server has changed.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:35:17 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:35:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Support for filtering list postings thru external 
 tools?
References: <200202171243.g1HChS736343@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <3C72D325.1CC3480B@pcraft.com>

Warren Toomey wrote:

> Has anybody done any work to add this functionality? I'm Python illiterate
> unfortunately, but I'm assuming that adding some extra configuration
> directives and an os.pipe() call in one of the Handlers would do the trick.

    Make life easier on yourself: don't tackle mailman, but tackle your MTA
instead.  I use MIMEDefang combined with SpamAssassin, hooked into my MTA.
This gives me the advantage of being able to scan _everything_ that comes in to
the machine, not only those destined for mailman.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.








From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 19 23:58:27 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:58:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands via email?
References: <001801c1a9c7$f757d880$88dafea9@awesome> <m3wuxxl76k.fsf@mailman.charite.de> <000d01c1b98a$9f265740$0400000a@awesome> <3C72D17F.6F38ADC1@pcraft.com> <002b01c1b999$0868b820$0400000a@awesome>
Message-ID: <3C72D893.767D2D09@pcraft.com>

Ben Kempner wrote:

> I've tried both help just in the subject, just the body, both subject and
> message, as the admin, as user, nothing seems to work.  I get no error
> message I just simply don't get an email.

    a) 'help' has to be in the subject
    b) it works as a subscribed user
    c) make sure the user can actually accept mail (nomail is not set)


> Mailman's logs don't have
> anything,

    It should record that it received an email and posted it to the wrapper.


> I'm not sure how to check my MTA's log... could you explain?

    Not knowing what MTA you're using, I can't do this.  If you're using
sendmail, look in /var/log/maillog.


> Lastly, is there any online documentation I could read and bookmark for
> future reference so I don't have to send an email everytime?

    There are...

    http://www.list.org

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Wed Feb 20 00:11:55 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:11:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020219170913.02b1c630@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>

Hi All

Okay...sent my first message to my Mailman list today that was transferred 
from Topica...I had a bunch of bouncing members at Topica...but I added 
them anyway because I have heard that some of the "free" list servers 
bouncing routines don't work too well....anyway it has resulted in me 
getting quite a few bounce notices direct to my mailbox from the various 
members whose mailboxes are full!

Isn't Mailman supposed to handle the bouncers for you?  Why are they coming 
to me?  Is there a setting that I can change...or is this something that I 
am going to have to deal with?

TIA

Paul




From mpieklik at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 20 00:27:44 2002
From: mpieklik at yahoo.com (Matthew Pieklik)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:27:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web archives not being updated
Message-ID: <20020219232744.18084.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone, I had mailman 2.0.8 up and running for
a while and it was working well.  I just installed a
new mail system (courier) and had to recompile mailman
to accept gid of 302 instead of 1.
I reinstalled the executables for mailman, removed the
original mailing list, recreated my mailing list and
everything works except the web archives.
The only error I can find in the logs are from
qrunner, which is 
"Feb 19 15:13:02 2002 (89) Could not acquire qrunner
lock".

Does anyone have an idea of what is wrong, or what to
check?
Thanks,
Matt

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From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Wed Feb 20 00:41:14 2002
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:41:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting posting to just the admin?
Message-ID: <20020219174114.A3519@austin.ibm.com>

Is it possible to restrict to just the admin of a list?
If so, what is the right combination of options ?

using mailman 2.08 on RH 7.2

Mike



From scott at noggon.com  Wed Feb 20 00:01:32 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:01:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <3C72D3AF.562CD65@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192234360.9414-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

Sorry Ashley,

May be I am missing something here:
The sticky bit is on the group id so the group stays as mailman.

-My webserver (apache) runs as nobody:nogroup

-The config.db file has permissions -rw-rw---- (./ drwxrwsr-x)

-mailman cron runs and changes nobody:mailman to mailman:mailman

How can a webserver running as nobody:nogroup modify config.db once it
becomes owned by mail:mail? .. it could (I suppose) if nobody somehow also
run under group mail but this _can't_ be right.

Or are there subtle things about the cgi scripts (SUID) that I do not know
about when run with apache.

Thanks for your help - I am determined to understand this.

I did try your idea that all files should be owned by mail:mail and I just
got the bug page (why has Printing of traceback and other system
information has been explicitly inhibited?) and in the error file:
Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

permissions on this file:

-rw-rw----    1 mail     mail

***
Considering all the above I have found this in my /etc/fstab:

# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options><dump>  <pass>
/dev/hda5 	/usr 		ext2 	rw        0       2

Should this be 'defaults'?--------------^^^

I am not an fstab expert but could THIS be my problem? the python
executables likely reside here (as does apache) but not the mailman
scripts - what do you think? perhaps "defaults" (that includes suid) may
be a better option..

****

cheers

scott



On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Scott Spence wrote:
>
> > But according to Ted's posting his config.db had the nobody:mailman
> > permission - not the mailman:mailman permission - so when the cron is run
> > the permissions will change from nobody:mailman to mailman:mailman
> > (rw-rw----) right?
>
>     My crontask runs as mailman.mailman, however the webserver runs as httpd.daemon.
> Whenever something comes through over the web, config.db becomes httpd.mailman, however as
> soon as the next crontask runs, everything becomes mailman.mailman again.
>
>     All the files ought to be owned by mailman.mailman, and the sticky bit should help in
> retaining the permissions even after the web server has changed.
>
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>
>
>
>
>

Scott Mobile: +34 65 337 8573
Fiona Mobile: +34 65 337 8574




From tdavis at birddog.com  Wed Feb 20 01:10:27 2002
From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis)
Date: 19 Feb 2002 18:10:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
Message-ID: <1014163832.9944.6.camel@td>

Is it possible to force a digest somehow? Like with a command either
sent over email or directly out of cron on the box?

-- 
Terry Davis
Systems Administrator
BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
(402) 829-6059
www.birddog.com




From Darran.Carey at csiro.au  Wed Feb 20 01:35:49 2002
From: Darran.Carey at csiro.au (Darran.Carey at csiro.au)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:35:49 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A number of problems
Message-ID: <116D27C8E12BD411B3AB00B0D022B0B86E136F@yate.wa.csiro.au>

Does anyone have suggestions for the following issues:

1. qrunner consistently complains about there being no disk space although
there is plenty.

2. A moderated list we have is not sending notifications to the list
administrator even
   though we have configured it to do so.

3. When messages are put into the archive the sender address is changed to
listname at domainname.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Darran.



From johnsonamichael at qwest.net  Wed Feb 20 01:50:36 2002
From: johnsonamichael at qwest.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:50:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
In-Reply-To: <1014163832.9944.6.camel@td>
Message-ID: <NBEDIDMNHNJJPNOFMJHLAEOLECAA.johnsonamichael@qwest.net>

Always helps to help oneself and do a bit of reading.

http://www.list.org/admins.html

Cron scripts
Mailman comes with a number of scripts that are typically only run by cron.
However, it is generally okay for the site administrator to run these
scripts manually, say to force a sending of accumulated digests, or to mail
out member passwords, etc. You generally run these by invoking the Python
executable on them, like so:
% cd /home/mailman
% python -S cron/senddigests

The -S option is an optimization and (minor) security recommendation; it
inhibits Python's implicit import site on initialization. Not all of these
scripts support the --help option. Here is a brief description of what the
cron scripts do:
<snip>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Terry Davis
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:10 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
>
>
> Is it possible to force a digest somehow? Like with a command either
> sent over email or directly out of cron on the box?
>
> --
> Terry Davis
> Systems Administrator
> BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
> (402) 829-6059
> www.birddog.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>





From tdavis at birddog.com  Wed Feb 20 03:16:00 2002
From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:16:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
In-Reply-To: <NBEDIDMNHNJJPNOFMJHLKEOKECAA.johnsonamichael@qwest.net>
References: <NBEDIDMNHNJJPNOFMJHLKEOKECAA.johnsonamichael@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <1014171360.3c7306e03861c@secure.birddog.com>

Thank you and excuse me for my laziness.  :(

This suggests all lists.  Can this be done on a per list or per user basis?

Thank you once again!

-- 
Terry Davis
Systems Administrator
BirdDog Solutions, Inc.


Quoting Michael Johnson <johnsonamichael at qwest.net>:

 Always helps to help oneself and do a bit of reading.
 
 http://www.list.org/admins.html
 
 Cron scripts
 Mailman comes with a number of scripts that are typically only run by cron.
 However, it is generally okay for the site administrator to run these
 scripts manually, say to force a sending of accumulated digests, or to mail
 out member passwords, etc. You generally run these by invoking the Python
 executable on them, like so:
 % cd /home/mailman
 % python -S cron/senddigests
 
 The -S option is an optimization and (minor) security recommendation; it
 inhibits Python's implicit import site on initialization. Not all of these
 scripts support the --help option. Here is a brief description of what the
 cron scripts do:
 <snip>
 
 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
 > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Terry Davis
 > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:10 PM
 > To: mailman-users at python.org
 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
 >
 >
 > Is it possible to force a digest somehow? Like with a command either
 > sent over email or directly out of cron on the box?
 >
 > --
 > Terry Davis
 > Systems Administrator
 > BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
 > (402) 829-6059
 > www.birddog.com
 >
 >
 > ------------------------------------------------------
 > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
 > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 >
 >
 
 





From scott at noggon.com  Wed Feb 20 07:22:35 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:22:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <3C72FC57.7BD9F7D2@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202200611470.27618-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

But, you see, I did use those cgi-gid and mail-gid flags:

./configure --with-mail-gid=8 --with-cgi-gid=65534
--prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-ownername=mail --with-ownergroup=mail
--prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-username=mail --host=noggon.com
--with-groupname=mail

And, yes I just checked that 8 is the guid mail and 65534 is the guid
nogroup.

The mail:mail (not mailman:mailman) setup is due to following the
exim with mailman howto (debian sets up exim to run as mail:mail NOT
exim:exim).

Quote (from mailman README.EXIM aka mailman exim howto):

# home dir for mailman
MAILMAN_HOME=/home/mailman
# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
# user and group for mailman
MAILMAN_UID=exim
MAILMAN_GID=exim

What do you think?

This is why I have acted so desperate to look at the fstab file..

~:-( - i.e. one hair left!

scott

 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner
wrote:

> Scott Spence wrote:
>
> > How can a webserver running as nobody:nogroup modify config.db once it
> > becomes owned by mail:mail? .. it could (I suppose) if nobody somehow also
> > run under group mail but this _can't_ be right.
>
>     Remember when you first configured mailman and compiled it?  You were supposed to tell it
> what your cgi-gid is, and your mail-gid.  This is where those two come into play.  They play
> together, mailman allows the webserver to touch its files, and when done, reverts it back.
>
>
> > I did try your idea that all files should be owned by mail:mail and I just
> > got the bug page (why has Printing of traceback and other system
> > information has been explicitly inhibited?) and in the error file:
> > Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
>
>     Actually, the whole thing should be owned by mailman, not mail.  After all, it's mailman
> that runs the cron tasks, and it's mailman that does all the processing of lists administrivia.
>
>     Don't mess with your fstab.  Unless you're prepared to yank a few more hairs out of your
> head. :)  fstab is a system wide setting that doesn't affect (adversely enough) any function of
> how a program runs or doesn't.  If fstab is setup to only allow read, or write on a device,
> you'd be having way more problems that just mailman not running.
>
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>
>
>
>

Scott Mobile: +34 65 337 8573
Fiona Mobile: +34 65 337 8574





From GVolp at vistec.net  Wed Feb 20 15:17:48 2002
From: GVolp at vistec.net (Gerald Volp)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:17:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] owner of config.db is changing to wwwrun
Message-ID: <0202201517480G.15997@cicero>

Hi Folks,

I'm a Newbie to mailman, I installed it yesterday, fist time.

My problem is: Every time I call the administrators web interface for a list 
and submit a change, the file owner of that list's config.db changes from 
"mailman" to "wwwrun", which is the user that runs apache.
This keeps the list from working properly and produces lots of errormails to 
the mailman-owner.

What have I done wrong?

Looking forward to any help.

Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
  (best regards)

Gerald Volp

VISTEC Internet Service GmbH
Tel.: +49-611-22038 Fax: -22701
gav at vistec.de http://vistec.de



From moussaf at enda.sn  Wed Feb 20 14:48:33 2002
From: moussaf at enda.sn (Moussa Fall)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:48:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list not appearing on the web
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020220134539.009559c0@enda.sn>

Hi,

One of my lists is not appearing anymore on the web interface. No problem 
with my other lists. Any clue?

Thank you.

moussa



From scott at noggon.com  Wed Feb 20 14:12:39 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:12:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] owner of config.db is changing to wwwrun
In-Reply-To: <0202201517480G.15997@cicero>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202201304380.30876-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

Hi Gerald,

I too am having the same problem - you may be interested in the thread:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-February/017718.html

or my origional posting that has all the details:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-February/017665.html

After you have read these let me know if your configuration and details
are similar to mine. Perhaps together we can work this out!

Cheers

Scott

(I am not using hair growth forumula!)


On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Gerald Volp wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm a Newbie to mailman, I installed it yesterday, fist time.
>
> My problem is: Every time I call the administrators web interface for a list
> and submit a change, the file owner of that list's config.db changes from
> "mailman" to "wwwrun", which is the user that runs apache.
> This keeps the list from working properly and produces lots of errormails to
> the mailman-owner.
>
> What have I done wrong?
>
> Looking forward to any help.
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
>   (best regards)
>
> Gerald Volp
>
> VISTEC Internet Service GmbH
> Tel.: +49-611-22038 Fax: -22701
> gav at vistec.de http://vistec.de
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

Scott Mobile: +34 65 337 8573
Fiona Mobile: +34 65 337 8574




From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Wed Feb 20 15:34:20 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:34:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020220062338.00bd8d80@pop.mindspring.com>

What type of regexp does Mailman use in Privacy Options - Hold posts?

   BRE POSIX
   ERE POSIX
   BRE GNU
   ERE GNU
   Perl
   Python

--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=1000&page_id=4




From hicking at du.gtn.com  Wed Feb 20 16:34:34 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:34:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
Message-ID: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost>

Hi

I'd like to have a moderated (here: announcements only)
list where I have an additional admin ("moderator") who
would be allowed nothing but approve or reject postings
(which usually would be only his own postings /
announcements)

Any hints?

TIA, Marcel




From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Feb 20 17:31:17 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:31:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list not appearing on the web
References: <4.2.0.58.20020220134539.009559c0@enda.sn>
Message-ID: <3C73CF55.2620FA36@pcraft.com>

Moussa Fall wrote:

> One of my lists is not appearing anymore on the web interface. No problem
> with my other lists. Any clue?

    Has it been turned off in the Privacy Options?

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Feb 20 18:42:48 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:42:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202200611470.27618-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3C73E018.1F9E1954@pcraft.com>

Scott Spence wrote:

> ./configure --with-mail-gid=8 --with-cgi-gid=65534
> --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-ownername=mail --with-ownergroup=mail
> --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-username=mail --host=noggon.com
> --with-groupname=mail

    Um, where did you get --with-ownername and --with-ownergroup from?  Those two options don't exist
in the configure script.

  --with-username       specify a user name other than "mailman"
  --with-groupname      specify a group name other than "mailman"
  --with-mail-gid       specify GID mail programs run as
  --with-cgi-gid        specify GID CGI programs run as

    Also, the --host option doesn't imply a domain name.  The --host option is the type of machine.
This is relevant is you're using a cross-compiler.  And you only need --prefix once.  And with the
above configuration, your crontask _must_ be owned by mail:mail, nor mailman:mailman.



    I run sendmail as mail:mail, and mailman as mailman:mailman and my webserver as httpd:daemon.  My
configure looks something like this:

    ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=daemon

    I don't need to suply --with-username nor --with-groupname since they stay as mailman:mailman.
The crontask runs as mailman:mailman.  I also don't supply a --prefix since it's installed under the
user mailman's directory.  For you, this changes obviously, however it's not mandatory.


--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From jerry at sandiego.edu  Wed Feb 20 19:13:37 2002
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:13:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically approving non-member Usenet postings to gatewayed
 list?
Message-ID: <p05101403b89995f88abe@[199.106.12.16]>

I've seen a couple of questions about this, but no answers yet; 
before I start working on it myself I thought I'd ask one more time. 
Has anyone solved the problem where a list which is gatewayed to a 
Usenet newsgroup requires approval for Usenet postings? (Since Usenet 
posters are not usually members of the mailing list.) I.e., I want 
usenet postings to come through to the list without requiring 
approval due to the sender not being a member. But I want normal 
posts to get blocked if they do not come from a member, since e-mail 
can come from anywhere and we do get spam on the list if I turn that 
off. (Newsgroups postings will only come from our local server.)

It looks like (Mailman 2.0.8) I can hack into process() in Hold.py to 
modify the section for "if mlist.member_posting_only:". (This depends 
on whether I have access to headers there or not.)

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi



From paul-l at integration.qc.ca  Wed Feb 20 19:16:37 2002
From: paul-l at integration.qc.ca (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:16:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost>
References: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost>
Message-ID: <20020220181637.GT13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>

Hi,

http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html describes
"Posting privileges explained" somewhere. What you should do is to have
"Posting restricted to members" set to No, and have some Implicitly approved
people. I just tested this and it works fine.

Is this what you were trying to do?

Paul

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Marcel Hicking wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'd like to have a moderated (here: announcements only)
> list where I have an additional admin ("moderator") who
> would be allowed nothing but approve or reject postings
> (which usually would be only his own postings /
> announcements)
> 
> Any hints?
> 
> TIA, Marcel

-- 
I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol. 




From sdeibel at wingide.com  Wed Feb 20 19:28:34 2002
From: sdeibel at wingide.com (Stephan R.A. Deibel)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:28:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in old lists web subscribe after 2.0.8 upgrade
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0202201324450.1248-100000@pangolin.archaeopteryx.com>

Hi,

I updated mailman from 1.0rc1 to 2.0.8 and for all the old lists
created before the update the web page for subscribing always says:

You must supply a valid email address.
You must supply a valid password, and confirm it.

Even when values are filled in.

They otherwise work fine, e.g. when subscribing via the email interface.

There is no entry of a traceback in the logs or any other indication
of error and I've verified that the html for the new lists is the
same as for the old, as far as the form tag and fields.

Any idea how to fix this?  Since new lists work, I was hoping there's
a way to reset something somewhere to avoid the problem...

Thanks for any info,

- Stephan

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www.wingide.com                              Take Flight!




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Feb 20 19:40:52 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:40:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <1014151242.3c72b84ae6d52@www.mob.net> <020501c1b983$cd8a6ce0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020220184051.GN16613@merlins.org>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:27:08PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you are using
> Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new cookie
> layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of your
> changes are accepted.
> 
> Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE have the
> same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site with your
> Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works... except maybe
> it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.

Ok. Konqueror, now IE.
Forgive me if I missed the answer here: but technically, who is at fault?
- the browsers
- mailman
- the cookie specs for being ambiguous

?

Tnanks,
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From scott at noggon.com  Wed Feb 20 19:11:39 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:11:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <20020220184051.GN16613@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202201808420.1152-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

I think this could be a case of P3P being implemented.

http://www.w3.org/P3P/p3pfaq.html

http://www.w3.org/P3P/

don't you?

Scott


On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Marc MERLIN wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:27:08PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you are using
> > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new cookie
> > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of your
> > changes are accepted.
> >
> > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE have the
> > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site with your
> > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works... except maybe
> > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
>
> Ok. Konqueror, now IE.
> Forgive me if I missed the answer here: but technically, who is at fault?
> - the browsers
> - mailman
> - the cookie specs for being ambiguous
>
> ?
>
> Tnanks,
> Marc
> --
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From sysop at scbbs.com  Wed Feb 20 20:29:29 2002
From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:29:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner CRON jobs
Message-ID: <3C73F919.90102@scbbs.com>

I am running mailman on Linux 7.2 system with qmail.  I keep getting 
multiple instances of the qrunner CRON job:

30949 ?        S      0:00 CROND
30950 ?        R      8:54 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
14812 ?        S      0:00 CROND
14813 ?        R      4:46 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

I evenutally get so many that my system just stops completely.  I can 
kill them, but they just keep coming back.

a.What causes this to happen?
b. How do I prevent it?

Thanks, much.

-ron

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From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Feb 20 21:32:06 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:32:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <20020220181637.GT13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>
References: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost>
 <20020220181637.GT13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <p05101402b899b79f5ab8@[207.149.192.229]>

At 13:16 -0500 2/20/2002, Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
>Implicitly approved
>people. I just tested this and it works fine.

Implicitly approved people (addresses) can be forged.  Easily.

Over on the developer list, I recently suggested using digitally signed
messages as the implicit approval mechanism.  Now, we're pretty much
talking people rather than addresses (throw out the key if one gets
compromised).

The responses were all about various ways to implicitly approve addresses.
No response that I recall seeing discussed digital signatures.

Oh, well.

  --John

-- 
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Feb 20 21:37:28 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:37:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner CRON jobs
References: <3C73F919.90102@scbbs.com>
Message-ID: <3C740908.DDF44389@pcraft.com>

Ron Parker wrote:

> a.What causes this to happen?

    This is usually an indication that your qrunner can't complete a full run
within 60 seconds (the default time interval between qrunners).  Try running
your qrunner task manually and see how long it takes.


> b. How do I prevent it?

    Adjust the crontask and give it a larger interval.

--
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From paul-l at integration.qc.ca  Wed Feb 20 21:44:13 2002
From: paul-l at integration.qc.ca (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <p05101402b899b79f5ab8@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost> <20020220181637.GT13636@koala.integration.qc.ca> <p05101402b899b79f5ab8@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <20020220204413.GY13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>

Well, that's the solution with the current Mailman. Something stronger
(digital signatures) would, of course, be desirable but I don't think it's
going to happen in the very near future.

Thinking about it, maybe such a solution can be implemented with procmail and
gpg. Mailman would accept everything that comes to it but procmail would
intercept all emails before Mailman can even get them and test the signature
using gpg. I don't know if anybody actually did it but it should be possible,
if the requirements for security are high.

Paul

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, John W Baxter wrote:

> At 13:16 -0500 2/20/2002, Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
> >Implicitly approved
> >people. I just tested this and it works fine.
> 
> Implicitly approved people (addresses) can be forged.  Easily.
> 
> Over on the developer list, I recently suggested using digitally signed
> messages as the implicit approval mechanism.  Now, we're pretty much
> talking people rather than addresses (throw out the key if one gets
> compromised).
> 
> The responses were all about various ways to implicitly approve addresses.
> No response that I recall seeing discussed digital signatures.
> 
> Oh, well.
> 
>   --John
> 
> -- 
> John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Wed Feb 20 21:54:40 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 07:54:40 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More problems
Message-ID: <02022108031306.07785@www>

When subscribers try to subscribe to the list, a confirmation message is sent
but they are not added to the list, hence when they send their confirmation
back, they are still not added and there is no welcome message sent out.

If you go to the web page as an administrator, you can add users to the list,
manually and a welcome message is sent to the new users.

When a message is sent to the list, the list doesn't sent out the message to
the subscribers list.

Greg

Lucky my hair is very short and I cannot grab hold of it otherwise I would have
none left. This is a very frustrating experience.
 



From sysop at scbbs.com  Wed Feb 20 22:15:20 2002
From: sysop at scbbs.com (Ron Parker)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:15:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner CRON jobs
References: <3C73F919.90102@scbbs.com> <3C740908.DDF44389@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3C7411E8.7070601@scbbs.com>

Here is what's in my mailman crond

#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

How would I change this to retry failed deliveries say, once per 5 minutes?

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>Ron Parker wrote:
>
>>a.What causes this to happen?
>>
>
>    This is usually an indication that your qrunner can't complete a full run
>within 60 seconds (the default time interval between qrunners).  Try running
>your qrunner task manually and see how long it takes.
>
>
>>b. How do I prevent it?
>>
>
>    Adjust the crontask and give it a larger interval.
>
>--
>W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
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From paul-l at integration.qc.ca  Wed Feb 20 22:13:35 2002
From: paul-l at integration.qc.ca (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More problems
In-Reply-To: <02022108031306.07785@www>
References: <02022108031306.07785@www>
Message-ID: <20020220211335.GZ13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>

Just a question, did you run bin/check_perms to make sure all the permisions
on the files are fine? What do the logs say? Anything in the log/errors that
could give you a hint about what's going on?

Paul

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Greg Rees wrote:

> 
> When subscribers try to subscribe to the list, a confirmation message is sent
> but they are not added to the list, hence when they send their confirmation
> back, they are still not added and there is no welcome message sent out.
> 
> If you go to the web page as an administrator, you can add users to the list,
> manually and a welcome message is sent to the new users.
> 
> When a message is sent to the list, the list doesn't sent out the message to
> the subscribers list.
> 
> Greg
> 
> Lucky my hair is very short and I cannot grab hold of it otherwise I would have
> none left. This is a very frustrating experience.
>  
> 
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From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Wed Feb 20 22:15:50 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:15:50 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More problems
In-Reply-To: <20020220211335.GZ13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>
References: <02022108031306.07785@www> <20020220211335.GZ13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <02022108175607.07785@www>

Yes, I ran check_perms and it reported "no problems found"

The /home/mailman/logs/error are clean (empty). No problems there.


On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
> Just a question, did you run bin/check_perms to make sure all the permisions
> on the files are fine? What do the logs say? Anything in the log/errors that
> could give you a hint about what's going on?
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Greg Rees wrote:
> 
> > 
> > When subscribers try to subscribe to the list, a confirmation message is sent
> > but they are not added to the list, hence when they send their confirmation
> > back, they are still not added and there is no welcome message sent out.
> > 
> > If you go to the web page as an administrator, you can add users to the list,
> > manually and a welcome message is sent to the new users.
> > 
> > When a message is sent to the list, the list doesn't sent out the message to
> > the subscribers list.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > Lucky my hair is very short and I cannot grab hold of it otherwise I would have
> > none left. This is a very frustrating experience.
> >  
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
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> 
> 
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From johnsonamichael at qwest.net  Wed Feb 20 22:26:31 2002
From: johnsonamichael at qwest.net (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:26:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner CRON jobs
In-Reply-To: <3C7411E8.7070601@scbbs.com>
Message-ID: <NBEDIDMNHNJJPNOFMJHLGEPMECAA.johnsonamichael@qwest.net>

Look at the actual crontab. I believe there's a default entry which you
could use as an example. In fact, checking mine (which I commented out):

# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
#0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S
/usr/local/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news

You can see how the entries are set up. When all else fails, why not read up
on cron and familiarize yourself with it. It's definitely not mailman
specific and useful to know... man pages are a good start.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Parker
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:15 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner CRON jobs


Here is what's in my mailman crond

#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

How would I change this to retry failed deliveries say, once per 5 minutes?

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

Ron Parker wrote:
a.What causes this to happen?
    This is usually an indication that your qrunner can't complete a full
runwithin 60 seconds (the default time interval between qrunners).  Try
runningyour qrunner task manually and see how long it takes.
b. How do I prevent it?
    Adjust the crontask and give it a larger interval.--W | I haven't lost
my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
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From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Wed Feb 20 22:33:09 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:33:09 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More problems
In-Reply-To: <200202202129.g1KLTZAk011353@bulk.resource.org>
References: <200202202129.g1KLTZAk011353@bulk.resource.org>
Message-ID: <02022108382308.07785@www>

> > 
> > Yes, I ran check_perms and it reported "no problems found"
> > 
> > The /home/mailman/logs/error are clean (empty). No problems there.
> 
> does your logs/subscibe show the subscribe requests?

All requests are set for "PENDING"

> 
> if not, does your mail server log show the request mail coming in to your
> server and being accepted?

Where are the mail server logs found. 

> 
> does logs/smtp show outbound mail successfully sent?

Log/smpt show everything is completed

but the logs/post show a failure

Greg



From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Feb 20 23:22:18 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:22:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <20020220204413.GY13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>
References: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost>
 <20020220181637.GT13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>
 <p05101402b899b79f5ab8@[207.149.192.229]>
 <20020220204413.GY13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <p05101408b899d0de4589@[207.149.192.229]>

At 15:44 -0500 2/20/2002, Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
>Well, that's the solution with the current Mailman. Something stronger
>(digital signatures) would, of course, be desirable but I don't think it's
>going to happen in the very near future.

The mailman-developer list is mostly not about Mailman 2.0.x.  It's about
the future.  It's about to switch more futureward than it is now, as
Mailman 2.1.x moves to this list (except for patch discussions, etc).  And
I explicitly spoke about the future.
>
>Thinking about it, maybe such a solution can be implemented with procmail and
>gpg. Mailman would accept everything that comes to it but procmail would
>intercept all emails before Mailman can even get them and test the signature
>using gpg. I don't know if anybody actually did it but it should be possible,
>if the requirements for security are high.

I don't WANT to put procmail in front of the lists.  In my hands, procmail
is the single thing which can most easily discard all mail without much
trace.  Mailman shouldn't--in the future--make me learn the darn thing.  If
I wanted to do the digital signature thing *today*, procmail and gpg or
some such combination would be the way (OK...over enough time to learn
procmail, not "today" unless I hire it out).

   --John (last touched a procmail recipe about 6 years ago)

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From ted-mailman at mob.net  Thu Feb 21 03:24:48 2002
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:24:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192234360.9414-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192234360.9414-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1014258288.3c745a70b146e@www.mob.net>

Solution Found!

Okay, I found what was wrong after playing with nearly countless area of the 
system. I had set DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py to be:

DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://virtualhost.mydomain.net/'

instead of

DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://virtualhost.mydomain.net/mailman/'

As soon as I changed it to that, it was as if all the scripts and tools 
magically started working even though I had added a number of 
Redirect/ScriptAlias/Alias lines in apache's conf files before to make sure that 
they were accessing it. 

I had it set that original config to hopefully direct anyone to 
http://virtualhost.mydomain.net (instead of http://nonvirtual.mydomain.net) 
thinking that somewhere there'd be a URL that would send them to the opening 
page of my list-server's virtual website instead of to the mailman subdirectory. 
Apparently this is a required setting. I'm not even sure why they give me the 
option to change it considering the consequences.... but whatever the reason, 
I've switched it back and now its all working and I've been working on getting 
all my lists in place for good. 

Thank you to the 5 or 6 people who were kind enough to offer many suggestions 
and send me conf files to try out on my system. I really appreciate the support 
(even though it didn't pinpoint this setting that I missed). Hopefully my 
Solution post will lead someone else down the right track in the future.

-ted



From jessica at anticlockwise.com  Thu Feb 21 01:48:36 2002
From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:48:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From: vs. Sender: and MS Outlook
Message-ID: <20020221004842.123A39B@lenin.anticlockwise.com>

Oh no. I've just discovered that Outlook replies to the "Sender:"
field, over the "From:" field in many situations. It uses "From:" when
you hit "Reply", but it uses "Sender:" to display the "From:" field in
certain places (only some places! it's crazy!), and worst of all, it
uses Sender: when you respond to Outlook calendar announcements.

This is bad in our environment, where nearly everyone uses Outlook,
and people often send meeting announcement to the all-company list.
Now that I've moved our lists to mailman, all of these calendar responses
go to the list-admin (me!). Yuck.

There's no way I'm going to be able to get these people to stop using
Outlook, so I'm looking for other solutions to this problem. 

Do you think it'd be a *really* bad idea for me to modify mailman
to not include the Sender: field at all?

I realize it's contrary to RFC 822.. But is it actually *bad* in any
practical sense that I'm not realizing?

Does anyone here follow these things and know what Microsoft's
position on this is? It seems pretty clear to me that their using
the "Sender:" header like that is just *wrong*, but maybe I'm
missing something.

--jessica

ps: apologies if you've seen this already. I haven't gotten any
responses and am just trying again. I'm really curious to know people's
opinions on this. I hate to do something against the RFC just because
so many people are using software that doesn't respect the RFC. it
just seems *wrong*. But I do need a practical solution. :/ For now
I have a procmail filter just filing them away for me, but really, I
need these things to go back to the person who should be getting them.





From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Thu Feb 21 01:55:51 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:55:51 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More problems
Message-ID: <02022108031306.07785@www>

When subscribers try to subscribe to the list, a confirmation message is sent
but they are not added to the list, hence when they send their confirmation
back, they are still not added and there is no welcome message sent out.

If you go to the web page as an administrator, you can add users to the list,
manually and a welcome message is sent to the new users.

When a message is sent to the list, the list doesn't sent out the message to
the subscribers list.

Greg

Lucky my hair is very short and I cannot grab hold of it otherwise I would have
none left. This is a very frustrating experience.
 



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 21 03:29:26 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman information
In-Reply-To: <004f01c1ba75$9de8e370$7a321a3f@znyc3bphillip2>
References: <00d501c1b735$f9bedf30$6687e541@znyc3bphillip2> <1013918845.9206.20.camel@crab> <004f01c1ba75$9de8e370$7a321a3f@znyc3bphillip2>
Message-ID: <068bd0129021522FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>

This is probably best discussed off-list, but...

Yes, Mailman can handle that kind of load.  I run it on a few servers that 
are ancient and handle 8,000 to 20,000 messages/day with no problems, and 
I've setup a few servers that do ~50,000 messages/day and scarcly notice the 
load.

We have discussed (in this group) the maintainence and setup of large Mailman 
lists quite thoroughly.  I'm an advocate of using decent hardware with a SCSI 
disk subsystem for the hardware side, and then using an optimized MTA like 
Postfix to push the mail around the internet. 

Currently Mailman does its digests based on size (and date).  You set a 
threshold value like 300kb and once the amount of accumulated messages reach 
that value (or it's the end of the day), Mailman sends out the Archive 
message.  The threshold value is set in the Web-Admin interface, and if you 
want to send out an archive every 10 messages, then you would have to use the 
average message size and multiply by 10. 

You can tweak this - after all its open source... of course the more 
tweaking, the longer the install, and the more cost to you.

The current non-beta version of Mailman (v2.0.8) supports static variables in 
the Archive headers but does not add a different header to each Archive 
message - However this is easily modified in the code.  What sort of header 
message do you want added to each archive?

Jon Carnes
 
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 08:17 pm, Bill Phillips wrote:
> Hi Chris and Jon,
>
> Thanks very much for getting back to me.
>
> Jon, I'm hoping you can tell me a bit about Mailman and its limitatins.  If
> we could use it the way we desire, I would contract you to set it up for
> us. Can we impliment Mailman for up to 100 lists with with up to 30,000
> subscribers?  Some of the lists have a lot of traffic, maybe 50 messages
> per day while others have just a few.  Our biggest list is about 4,000 --
> that's the list that gets 50 messages a day.
>
> We would like to set the digest to a set number of messages, say 10 and
> insert different header messages in each digest.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Bill Phillips
> home - 312-492-7351
>
> our site is www.worldwit.org
>



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 21 04:33:27 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:33:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From: vs. Sender: and MS Outlook
In-Reply-To: <20020221004842.123A39B@lenin.anticlockwise.com>
References: <20020221004842.123A39B@lenin.anticlockwise.com>
Message-ID: <0082e2333031522FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

We use Outlook here with no problems.  Have your users fill in the "Reply To" 
for the account setup in their email.  Due to other problems with Outlook 
this has been our default install for many years.

Hope that helps - Jon Carnes

On Wednesday 20 February 2002 07:48 pm, Jessica Koeppel wrote:
> Oh no. I've just discovered that Outlook replies to the "Sender:"
> field, over the "From:" field in many situations. It uses "From:" when
> you hit "Reply", but it uses "Sender:" to display the "From:" field in
> certain places (only some places! it's crazy!), and worst of all, it
> uses Sender: when you respond to Outlook calendar announcements.
>
> This is bad in our environment, where nearly everyone uses Outlook,
> and people often send meeting announcement to the all-company list.
> Now that I've moved our lists to mailman, all of these calendar responses
> go to the list-admin (me!). Yuck.
>
> There's no way I'm going to be able to get these people to stop using
> Outlook, so I'm looking for other solutions to this problem.
>
> Do you think it'd be a *really* bad idea for me to modify mailman
> to not include the Sender: field at all?
>
> I realize it's contrary to RFC 822.. But is it actually *bad* in any
> practical sense that I'm not realizing?
>
> Does anyone here follow these things and know what Microsoft's
> position on this is? It seems pretty clear to me that their using
> the "Sender:" header like that is just *wrong*, but maybe I'm
> missing something.
>
> --jessica
>
> ps: apologies if you've seen this already. I haven't gotten any
> responses and am just trying again. I'm really curious to know people's
> opinions on this. I hate to do something against the RFC just because
> so many people are using software that doesn't respect the RFC. it
> just seems *wrong*. But I do need a practical solution. :/ For now
> I have a procmail filter just filing them away for me, but really, I
> need these things to go back to the person who should be getting them.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 21 04:39:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:39:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <1014258288.3c745a70b146e@www.mob.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202192234360.9414-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz> <1014258288.3c745a70b146e@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <03b364038031522FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>

Your real problem was that you were *too* clever.  Normally if someone does 
that, nothing works because they are not clever enough to setup redirect 
first!

Congratulations...
===
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 09:24 pm, Ted M Harapat wrote:
> Solution Found!
>
> Okay, I found what was wrong after playing with nearly countless area of
> the system. I had set DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py to be:
>
> DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://virtualhost.mydomain.net/'
>
> instead of
>
> DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://virtualhost.mydomain.net/mailman/'
>
> As soon as I changed it to that, it was as if all the scripts and tools
> magically started working even though I had added a number of
> Redirect/ScriptAlias/Alias lines in apache's conf files before to make sure
> that they were accessing it.
>
> I had it set that original config to hopefully direct anyone to
> http://virtualhost.mydomain.net (instead of http://nonvirtual.mydomain.net)
> thinking that somewhere there'd be a URL that would send them to the
> opening page of my list-server's virtual website instead of to the mailman
> subdirectory. Apparently this is a required setting. I'm not even sure why
> they give me the option to change it considering the consequences.... but
> whatever the reason, I've switched it back and now its all working and I've
> been working on getting all my lists in place for good.
>
> Thank you to the 5 or 6 people who were kind enough to offer many
> suggestions and send me conf files to try out on my system. I really
> appreciate the support (even though it didn't pinpoint this setting that I
> missed). Hopefully my Solution post will lead someone else down the right
> track in the future.
>
> -ted
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From romaniuc at nib.unicamp.br  Thu Feb 21 05:33:36 2002
From: romaniuc at nib.unicamp.br (Alan ER. Romaniuc)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:33:36 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name
Message-ID: <3C7478A0.95DF650D@nib.unicamp.br>

Hi,

    My hostname is "XXXX.domain", but when Mailman sends e-mail, I would
like that the sender was "listname at YYYY.domain",  How can I do that???


Thx





From chris at yonderway.com  Thu Feb 21 05:45:43 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: 20 Feb 2002 23:45:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name
In-Reply-To: <3C7478A0.95DF650D@nib.unicamp.br>
References: <3C7478A0.95DF650D@nib.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <1014266744.12376.15.camel@crab>

On Wed, 2002-02-20 at 23:33, Alan ER. Romaniuc wrote:
>     My hostname is "XXXX.domain", but when Mailman sends e-mail, I would
> like that the sender was "listname at YYYY.domain",  How can I do that???

Edit /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py




From ted-mailman at mob.net  Thu Feb 21 06:12:50 2002
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:12:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name
In-Reply-To: <1014266744.12376.15.camel@crab>
References: <3C7478A0.95DF650D@nib.unicamp.br> <1014266744.12376.15.camel@crab>
Message-ID: <1014268370.3c7481d2d161a@www.mob.net>

Actually, make this change in  /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

Specifically, set DEFAULT_HOST_NAME to the desired name... such as:

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'YYYY.domain'

-ted

Quoting Chris Hedemark <chris at yonderway.com>:

> On Wed, 2002-02-20 at 23:33, Alan ER. Romaniuc wrote:
> >     My hostname is "XXXX.domain", but when Mailman sends e-mail, I
> would
> > like that the sender was "listname at YYYY.domain",  How can I do
> that???
> 
> Edit /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py




From romaniuc at nib.unicamp.br  Thu Feb 21 06:01:22 2002
From: romaniuc at nib.unicamp.br (Alan ER. Romaniuc)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 02:01:22 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name
References: <3C7478A0.95DF650D@nib.unicamp.br> <1014266744.12376.15.camel@crab>
Message-ID: <3C747F22.E32BE1E3@nib.unicamp.br>


I've tryed it, but it doesn't work.... . Homepages are fine , but when an User
receives a e-mail, he still receives listname at XXXX.domain......

Chris Hedemark wrote:

> On Wed, 2002-02-20 at 23:33, Alan ER. Romaniuc wrote:
> >     My hostname is "XXXX.domain", but when Mailman sends e-mail, I would
> > like that the sender was "listname at YYYY.domain",  How can I do that???
>
> Edit /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Thu Feb 21 06:04:09 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:04:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome letter
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020220230219.02ebd080@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>

Hi

Is there anyway to edit the standard welcome letter that goes out with 
Mailman subscriptions?  I know that we can append stuff to the top of the 
letter...but my plan is not to run with the features or web addresses that 
Mailman uses because they are too cumbersome for "unsavvy" users!  I like 
the simple approach!

Can we completely delete the welcome letter and send a more user friendly one?

TIA

Paul




From jeff at xsusio.com  Thu Feb 21 08:25:05 2002
From: jeff at xsusio.com (Jeffrey Davis)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:25:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I custumize the ROOT listinfo page ...
In-Reply-To: <E16dlOl-0006H5-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20682C6E-269C-11D6-BBE2-000A277A4A0A@xsusio.com>

Sorry for posting this question again. Just thought that I would clarify 
the question:

I am trying to custumize the root listinfo page 
(http://studentorgs.utmb.edu/mailman/listinfo)
Our institution requires a standard header and footer.
http://studentorgs.utmb.edu/mailman/listinfo/fpsa
I have made the individual listinfo pages compliant with this 
requirement but have not found any template files to edit that change 
the root listinfo page.

Thanks in advance for your help.

-Jeffrey Davis




From rcs at malibyte.net  Thu Feb 21 09:19:23 2002
From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:19:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group error message
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202210018210.7243-100000@firefox.malibyte.net>

Hey all - could someone tip me off as to the problem here?

[mailman at firefox: ~]$ /var/mailman/bin/check_perms
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
    MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

TIA - Bob
-- 
________________________________________
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http://www.malibyte.net

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From john at nisus.com  Thu Feb 21 09:39:08 2002
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:39:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
Message-ID: <l03130336b89a5fe4aba3@[207.215.130.171]>

> At 2002-02-20 13:16:37 -0500 Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
>> On Wed, 2002-02-20, Marcel Hicking wrote:
>> I'd like to have a moderated (here: announcements only)
>> list where I have an additional admin ("moderator") who
>> would be allowed nothing but approve or reject postings
>> (which usually would be only his own postings /
>> announcements)

> http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html
> describes "Posting privileges explained" somewhere.  What you
> should do is to have "Posting restricted to members" set to No,
> and have some Implicitly approved people.  I just tested this
> and it works fine.

> Is this what you were trying to do?

I suspect the reason this one gets asked repeatedly is that it's
counter-intuitive.  "Posting restricted to members" is separate
from the issue of "Posting allowed only from specific e-mail
addresses".

And people think of it different ways, too.  We see different
terms used.  Is it a "moderated" list, or a "news-letter", or a
"send-only" list?  "Moderated" to me means potentially anyone
(or only subscribers) could submit material, but only some would
be distributed.  "News-letters" or "send-only" or "distribution"
or "one-way" list means many receive but only 1 or a few can send,
whether it's "moderated" or not.

Maybe a little judicious rewording or reorganization could make the
settings clearer, and some inclusion of the different terms might
make the FAQ entry easier to find.

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice
<http://gosc.nisus.com/~giovanni>                      <http://www.nisus.com>





From john at nisus.com  Thu Feb 21 10:05:32 2002
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:05:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
Message-ID: <l03130339b89a6872ae2a@[207.215.130.171]>

> At Wed, 2002-02-20 12:32:06 -0800 John W Baxter wrote:
>> At 2002-02-20 13:16 -0500, Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
>> Implicitly approved people.  I just tested this and it works fine.

> Implicitly approved people (addresses) can be forged.  Easily.

> Over on the developer list, I recently suggested using digitally
> signed messages as the implicit approval mechanism.  Now, we're
> pretty much talking people rather than addresses (throw out the
> key if one gets compromised).

> The responses were all about various ways to implicitly approve
> addresses.  No response that I recall seeing discussed digital
> signatures

I'd like to have something like what digital signatures promise
to be.  OTOH, I'd much rather have something more like what
Digicash promised to be, i.e. credentials AND anonymity.

The trouble is that now, the certification scams put the worst
scum in the world at the top of the "trust" tree, and the
encryption is much much too weak.  People rely on it too much
as it is compared to its real reliability.

I used to work with a guy who had developed a couple proprietary
operating systems.  They used an 8 character username & 8 char
pass-word, primarily because that's about as much random cruft
that people can remember, especially if they have a dozen of
them.  Once you get over 9, you've violated "the magic number
7 plus or minus 2".  Anyway, he knew this, so he used to use
very easily guessed pass-words, figuring that it didn't matter,
no practical thing he could do would really be secure, anyway,
so the heck with it.

If you solve that one, you'll be set for life.

"Experiments by psychologists such as those of [George] Miller
 [1956 March "The Magical #7, + or - 2" _The Psychological Review_
 vol 63 #12 pg 86], suggest that the maximum number of chunks of
 information that an individual can simultaneously comprehend is
 on the order of 7, plus or minus 2." --- Grady Booch 1991
 _Object-Oriented Design with Applications_ pg 14

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice
<http://gosc.nisus.com/~giovanni>                      <http://www.nisus.com>





From hicking at du.gtn.com  Thu Feb 21 12:11:32 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:11:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Terms, was: Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <l03130336b89a5fe4aba3@[207.215.130.171]>
Message-ID: <3C74E3F4.29932.2434FD5E@localhost>

jgo <john at nisus.com> 21 Feb 2002 at 0:39:

> > At 2002-02-20 13:16:37 -0500 Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2002-02-20, Marcel Hicking wrote:
> >> I'd like to have a moderated (here: announcements only)
> >> list where I have an additional admin ("moderator") who
> >> would be allowed nothing but approve or reject postings
> >> (which usually would be only his own postings /
> >> announcements)
> 
> > http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html
> > describes "Posting privileges explained" somewhere.  What you
> > should do is to have "Posting restricted to members" set to No,
> > and have some Implicitly approved people.  I just tested this
> > and it works fine.
> 
> > Is this what you were trying to do?
> 
> I suspect the reason this one gets asked repeatedly is that it's
> counter-intuitive.  "Posting restricted to members" is separate
> from the issue of "Posting allowed only from specific e-mail
> addresses".

Sorry, though I got that celar enough:
This is an announcement-only list, ie. in your
terms a "news-letter".


> And people think of it different ways, too.  We see different
> terms used.  Is it a "moderated" list, or a "news-letter", or a
> "send-only" list?  "Moderated" to me means potentially anyone
> (or only subscribers) could submit material, but only some would
> be distributed.  "News-letters" or "send-only" or "distribution"
> or "one-way" list means many receive but only 1 or a few can send,
> whether it's "moderated" or not.
> 
> Maybe a little judicious rewording or reorganization could make the
> settings clearer, and some inclusion of the different terms might
> make the FAQ entry easier to find.

Definetly ACK!
Suggestion:

Open list: A list where everyone can post to directly.
Every posting will be distributed automatically. This what 
you might call an ordinary discussion list.

Open list (members only): A list where only list member can 
post to directly. Every posting will be distributed to the 
list directly.

Moderated list: A list where everyone can post to but where
every posting needs to be confirmed by the list 
moderator/admin before it will be distributed to the list. 
So potentially not every posting will be distributed.

Moderated list (members only): A list where only list 
member can post to and where every posting needs to be 
confirmed by the list moderator/admin before it will be 
distributed to the list.

Announcement list: A read only, one way list. Nobody except 
the list admin can post to this list. [I'd go for 
announcemnet instead of news, more general usage]

Send-only list: A list where everyone can post to but where
no posting will be distributed. So this is just for 
collection.

Send-only list (members only): A list where only list 
members can post to but where no posting will be 
distributed. So this is just for collection.

Just a quick first though ;-)


Cheers, Marcel

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 : :' !  Enjoy
 `. `?  Debian/GNU Linux
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From hicking at du.gtn.com  Thu Feb 21 12:11:32 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:11:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <20020220181637.GT13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>
References: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost>
Message-ID: <3C74E3F4.54.2434FCB4@localhost>

Paul-Catalin Oros <paul-l at integration.qc.ca> 20 Feb 2002 at 
13:16:

> Hi,
> 
> http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html describes
> "Posting privileges explained" somewhere. What you should do is to have
> "Posting restricted to members" set to No, and have some Implicitly approved
> people. I just tested this and it works fine.
> 
> Is this what you were trying to do?

Hmm, sort of. I was thinking about using the implicit email 
adress posting allowed thing, but since From etc header can 
be most easily faked, I don't think this is very secure?
What do you think?

Thx, Marcel

-- 
   __
 .?  `.
 : :' !  Enjoy
 `. `?  Debian/GNU Linux
   `-




From scott at noggon.com  Thu Feb 21 11:39:48 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:39:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More problems
In-Reply-To: <02022108175607.07785@www>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202211039120.6241-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

Could be a permissions problem (I know these well!) check your webserver
and mail logs too!!

Scott
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Greg Rees wrote:

>
> Yes, I ran check_perms and it reported "no problems found"
>
> The /home/mailman/logs/error are clean (empty). No problems there.
>
>
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
> > Just a question, did you run bin/check_perms to make sure all the permisions
> > on the files are fine? What do the logs say? Anything in the log/errors that
> > could give you a hint about what's going on?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Greg Rees wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > When subscribers try to subscribe to the list, a confirmation message is sent
> > > but they are not added to the list, hence when they send their confirmation
> > > back, they are still not added and there is no welcome message sent out.
> > >
> > > If you go to the web page as an administrator, you can add users to the list,
> > > manually and a welcome message is sent to the new users.
> > >
> > > When a message is sent to the list, the list doesn't sent out the message to
> > > the subscribers list.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > Lucky my hair is very short and I cannot grab hold of it otherwise I would have
> > > none left. This is a very frustrating experience.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> > --
> > Man: I know how to please a woman. Woman: Then please leave me alone.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

Scott Mobile: +34 65 337 8573
Fiona Mobile: +34 65 337 8574




From scott at noggon.com  Thu Feb 21 12:43:20 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:43:20 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <3C73E018.1F9E1954@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202211100550.6241-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

I got  --with-ownername and  --with-ownergroup from the INSTALL file:

----------8<-----------

 - Add a new user called `mailman'.  Typically this is added to
      your /etc/passwd file.  If username `mailman' is already in use,
      choose something else unique and see the --with-ownername flag
      below.

    - Add a new group called `mailman'.  Typically this is added to
      your /etc/group file.  The Mailman files will be installed under
      the `mailman' group, with the set-group-id bit.  This is so both
      the web based and mail based programs will have the proper write
      permissions.  If groupname `mailman' is already in use, choose
      something else unique and see the --with-ownergroup below.

---------8<--------

However looking again there is nothing further "below" - perhaps this is a
mistake in the docs?

Perhaps these should be (respectively):

  --with-username       specify a user name other than "mailman"
  --with-groupname      specify a group name other than "mailman"

This INSTALL file *MUST* be wrong - surely??

Note taken about the HOST directive and double '--prefix'. I must have
been getting desperate!

I have made all necessary changes - taking into consideration the above
and other suggestions you made: I still get the following error in the web
error log:

Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'

I go though changing these permissions and get the same problem (ie
basically SGID is not working..), I am at the conslusion that the issue is
with my fstab - I think it must have 'defaults' set not JUST 'rw' I am
however in Spain at the moment and the server is in the UK - I will wait
until I am closer *just in case*

If you have any further suggestions please let me know. I will create a
bug report about the INSTALL docs unless you have another idea..

<snip>

> cross-compiler.  And you only need --prefix once.  And with the above
> configuration, your crontask _must_ be owned by mail:mail, nor
> mailman:mailman.

you mean "or" not "nor"  right?-----------------------------^^^^^

Cheers - Thanks so much for you help with this! (I am bald now)

Scott




From scott at noggon.com  Thu Feb 21 13:11:00 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:11:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: owner of config.db
In-Reply-To: <02022113074402.20176@cicero>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202211145070.6241-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

Hi Gerald,

I wish I could say that is my solution - I am still having problems and am
sure it is to do with the httpd or python binary not running on a suid
partition - therefore I am going to ask for further info from the list and
if required make changes later (when I am closer to the machine)

I would appreicate knowing if your fstab options that are on the partition
of python or apache or mailman have the suid (or 'defaults') options
specified.

Cheers

Scott

PS I include this into the mailing list for its information.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Gerald Volp wrote:

> Scott,
> We solved the problem here.
> We looked over it again and changed one or two things. The main problem
> probably was, that I was root, when I ran "./make install". That caused the
> subdirectories of /home/mailman to be incorrect (SUID).
> I understand now: The change of config.db to wwwrun is not the problem,
> that's just the way it ist, but the cron scripts of mailman quickly get it
> back to mailman's ownership. And THIS did not work out and produced me lots
> of errors. mailman had no rights to get back the files into his own
> ownership. :-(
> We deleted the whole tree of /home/mailman and ran ./configure and ./make
> install again, beeing user mailman.
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
>   (best regards)
>
> Gerald Volp
>
> VISTEC Internet Service GmbH
> Tel.: +49-611-22038 Fax: -22701
> gav at vistec.de http://vistec.de
>

Scott Mobile: +34 65 337 8573
Fiona Mobile: +34 65 337 8574






From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Feb 21 16:09:58 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 21 Feb 2002 16:09:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I custumize the ROOT listinfo page ...
In-Reply-To: Jeffrey Davis's message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:25:05 -0600"
References: <20682C6E-269C-11D6-BBE2-000A277A4A0A@xsusio.com>
Message-ID: <m34rka6fcp.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Jeffrey Davis <jeff at xsusio.com> writes:

> I am trying to custumize the root listinfo page
> (http://studentorgs.utmb.edu/mailman/listinfo)
> 
> Our institution requires a standard header and footer.
> http://studentorgs.utmb.edu/mailman/listinfo/fpsa
> I have made the individual listinfo pages compliant with this
> requirement but have not found any template files to edit that change
> the root listinfo page.

$MAILMANHOME/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Feb 21 16:15:32 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 21 Feb 2002 16:15:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome letter
In-Reply-To: Paul Croft's message of "Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:04:09 -0600"
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020220230219.02ebd080@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <m3zo2250iz.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Paul Croft <paul at paulsfunhouse.com> writes:

> Is there anyway to edit the standard welcome letter that goes out with
> Mailman subscriptions?

$EDITOR $MAILMANHOME/templates/subscribeack.txt


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From valites at geneseo.edu  Thu Feb 21 16:28:32 2002
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:28:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] masthead.txt
Message-ID: <AA12347A-26DF-11D6-86DB-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

After going to the mm-2.0.8 this weekend, one of our list admins whined 
that their digested lists were now having the information from the 
masthead.txt file prepended to their messages.  Apparently the last site 
admin had previously made the file an empty file so no information would 
be passed.  I see under Digest member options there is a section for a 
header to each list, yet it is already blank.  Besides putting a if 
listname=complainer's_list clause in the code somewhere, is there a 
proper place to define this in a config file or otherwise?


 >--))> >--))>
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
1 College Circle - 124b1 South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
716-245-5577
716-259-3471(Cell)




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb 21 16:52:04 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:52:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202211100550.6241-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3C7517A4.19A12A2@pcraft.com>

Scott Spence wrote:

> This INSTALL file *MUST* be wrong - surely??

    They are misleading...


> Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
>
> I go though changing these permissions and get the same problem (ie
> basically SGID is not working..).....I think it must have 'defaults' set not JUST 'rw'

    FYI, _all_ of my servers running mailman have 'defaults' set in fstab.  As I said before, your fstab (theoretically) has nothing to do with it.  The 'defaults' setting in fstab sets the following options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async

    One thing I forgot to ask you before...  When you configured, made and ran make install, what user were you logged in as?

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From alex at laplaza.org  Thu Feb 21 17:20:01 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:20:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8  ?
Message-ID: <DB32020C-26E6-11D6-9435-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>

What does this mean and how do I fix it?

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.


running python 2.1.1 and mailman 2.0.8 on a solaris sparc


......:::  Alex Chavez  :  System Admin :::......
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Feb 21 18:04:19 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:04:19 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8  ?
In-Reply-To: <DB32020C-26E6-11D6-9435-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020221165834.03173a80@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:20 21/02/2002 -0700, Alex Chavez wrote:
>What does this mean and how do I fix it?

Respectively: Mailman code hit an exception when it was executed. Depends 
on what went wrong.

What does it say in the $prefix/logs/error file about the time the error 
was reported? And what were you doing when this error was reported?


>Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but 
>the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
>
>
>running python 2.1.1 and mailman 2.0.8 on a solaris sparc
>
>......:::  Alex Chavez  :  System Admin :::......
>La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org
>:   Taos.  New Mexico   :   505.758.1836    :
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From alex at laplaza.org  Thu Feb 21 18:36:31 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:36:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 ? more info
Message-ID: <8B4E41C5-26F1-11D6-9435-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>

I got mailman 2.0.8 installed but can't access it through the web.

I did this:
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/
and I even did this
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6

here is the "set" printout:

root at elvis logs $ set
BASH=/usr/sbin/bash
BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="03" [2]="0" [3]="1" [4]="release" 
[5]="sparc-sun-solaris2.7")
BASH_VERSION='2.03.0(1)-release'
COLUMNS=80
DIRSTACK=()
EUID=0
GROUPS=()
HISTFILE=//.bash_history
HISTFILESIZE=500
HISTSIZE=500
HOME=/
HOSTNAME=elvis
HOSTTYPE=sparc
HZ=
IFS='
'
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6
LINES=25
LOGNAME=root
MACHTYPE=sparc-sun-solaris2.7
MAILCHECK=60
OLDPWD=/usr/local/ssl/lib
OPTERR=1
OPTIND=1
OSTYPE=solaris2.7
PATH=/usr/ccs/bin/:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin/adminscripts
PIPESTATUS=([0]="0")
PPID=10892
PS1='\u at elvis \W $ '
PS2='> '
PS4='+ '
PWD=/usr/local/mailman/logs
SHELL=/sbin/sh
SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comments:
emacs
SHLVL=1
TERM=vt100
TZ=US/Mountain
UID=0
_=error
root at elvis logs $
root at elvis logs $ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/
root at elvis logs $ set
BASH=/usr/sbin/bash
BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="03" [2]="0" [3]="1" [4]="release" 
[5]="sparc-sun-solaris2.7")
BASH_VERSION='2.03.0(1)-release'
COLUMNS=80
DIRSTACK=()
EUID=0
GROUPS=()
HISTFILE=//.bash_history
HISTFILESIZE=500
HISTSIZE=500
HOME=/
HOSTNAME=elvis
HOSTTYPE=sparc
HZ=
IFS='
'
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/
LINES=25
LOGNAME=root
MACHTYPE=sparc-sun-solaris2.7
MAILCHECK=60
OLDPWD=/usr/local/ssl/lib
OPTERR=1
OPTIND=1
OSTYPE=solaris2.7
PATH=/usr/ccs/bin/:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin/adminscripts
PIPESTATUS=([0]="0")
PPID=10892
PS1='\u at elvis \W $ '
PS2='> '
PS4='+ '
PWD=/usr/local/mailman/logs
SHELL=/sbin/sh
SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comments:
emacs
SHLVL=1
TERM=vt100
TZ=US/Mountain
UID=0
_=LD_LIBRARY_PATH
root at elvis logs $


+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

This is the error log:

Feb 21 10:25:10 2002 admin(25778): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(25778): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
admin(25778): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(25778): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in 
run_main
admin(25778):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 
31, in
?
admin(25778):     import urllib
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
admin(25778):     import socket
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/socket.py", line 41, in ?
admin(25778):     from _socket import *
admin(25778): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/bin/python: fatal: 
libssl.so.0.9.6: ope
n failed: No such file or directory
admin(25778): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(25778): sys.version    = 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 25 2001, 04:37:28)
[GCC 3.0.1]
admin(25778): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(25778): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(25778): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(25778):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs
admin(25778):   SERVER_ADDR: 204.151.72.2
admin(25778):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(25778):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(25778):   REMOTE_ADDR: 204.151.72.17
admin(25778):   UNIQUE_ID: PHUtdsyXSAIAAEC6FXo
admin(25778):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(25778):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(25778):   SERVER_NAME: laplaza.org
admin(25778):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(25778):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.12; 
Mac_PowerPC
)
admin(25778):   HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(25778):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo
admin(25778):   HTTP_UA_CPU: PPC
admin(25778):   HTTP_EXTENSION: Security/Remote-Passphrase
admin(25778):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
admin(25778):   HTTP_HOST: laplaza.org
admin(25778):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(25778):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.9 Server at 
laplaza.org Po
rt 80</ADDRESS>

admin(25778):   HTTP_IF_MODIFIED_SINCE: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:22:34 GMT
admin(25778):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
admin(25778):   SERVER_ADMIN: hostmaster at laplaza.org
admin(25778):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.9 (Unix)
admin(25778):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
admin(25778):   TZ: US/Mountain
admin(25778):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(25778):   REMOTE_PORT: 49307
admin(25778):   HTTP_UA_OS: MacOS

+--------------------------------------------------------------------+



......:::  Alex Chavez  :  System Admin :::......
La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org
:   Taos.  New Mexico   :   505.758.1836    :
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From paul-l at integration.qc.ca  Thu Feb 21 19:18:41 2002
From: paul-l at integration.qc.ca (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:18:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <3C74E3F4.54.2434FCB4@localhost>
References: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost> <3C74E3F4.54.2434FCB4@localhost>
Message-ID: <20020221181841.GG24148@koala.integration.qc.ca>

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Marcel Hicking wrote:

> Paul-Catalin Oros <paul-l at integration.qc.ca> 20 Feb 2002 at
> 13:16:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html describes
> > "Posting privileges explained" somewhere. What you should do is to have
> > "Posting restricted to members" set to No, and have some Implicitly approved
> > people. I just tested this and it works fine.
> >
> > Is this what you were trying to do?
> 
> Hmm, sort of. I was thinking about using the implicit email
> adress posting allowed thing, but since From etc header can
> be most easily faked, I don't think this is very secure?
> What do you think?

I don't think Mailman in its current incarnation can do more than that. So you
would probably have to ressort to external filters. An idea would be to build
a system that does digital signatures verification. Or if you want something
simpler, just use a filter that checks for a certain header to be present,
then forwards the email to the list. Of course, you should drop the header
before it gets to the list. All other emails would be silently dropped.


Someone here on the list expressed his disdain of Procmail. I didn't have bad
experiences myself with it, even if I can't consider myself a Procmail power 
user. I think a solution that simply checks for a header and drops emails that
don't have it should be fairly easy to implement.

Another option would be to use mail server restrictions to achieve a similar
result. Something like denying all email that doesn't come from the local
host to the list, have all messages that come to the list arrive to you, and
you would manually post them to the list, from the local host.

These are just some ideas, I'm sure other people have greater and better ones,

		  Paul




From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Thu Feb 21 19:23:05 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:23:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020220062338.00bd8d80@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>

At 2002-02-20 06:34 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote:
>What type of regexp does Mailman use in Privacy Options - Hold posts?

I think I found the answer after digging through the code.

It appears that the Python re module is used. Does this mean we can use the 
Python re module extensions in "Hold posts"?

ref.
http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html

MailList.py
for line in string.split(self.bounce_matching_headers, '\n'):
     stripped = string.strip(line)
     if not stripped or (stripped[0] == "#"):
         # Skip blank lines and lines *starting* with a '#'.
         continue
     else:
         try:
             h, e = re.split(":[ \t]*", stripped, 1)
             try:
                 re.compile(e)
                 all.append((h, e, stripped))
             except re.error, cause:
                 # The regexp in this line is malformed -- log it
                 # and ignore it
                 syslog('config',
                        '%s - bad regexp %s [%s] '
                        'in bounce_matching_header line %s'
                        % (self.real_name, `e`, `cause`, `stripped`))
         except ValueError:
             # Whoops - some bad data got by:
             syslog('config', '%s - bad bounce_matching_header line %s'
                    % (self.real_name, `stripped`))
return all

--
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From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Wed Feb 20 19:38:50 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:38:50 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan and Iplanet!
Message-ID: <01a201c1ba3d$d71c1dc0$3900a8c0@PS3>

Hi there,
 
 I've been installing MailMan on a SunSparc/Solaris Machine.
 My MTA is an Iplanet Messaging Server 4.15
 I've compiled Mailman without errors. Created a list called humor.
Redirected all mail to humor at myhost to be run on
/usr/local/mail/mailman/wrapper post humor
 Now I send an email to humor at myhost and no error is given . but no mail
returns to the users belonging to the list humor!
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks
 
  Sergio
 

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From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Wed Feb 20 19:44:45 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:44:45 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan and Iplanet!
Message-ID: <01a901c1ba3e$aa889120$3900a8c0@PS3>

Hi there,

 I've been installing MailMan on a SunSparc/Solaris Machine.
 My MTA is an Iplanet Messaging Server 4.15
 I've compiled Mailman without errors. Created a list called humor.
Redirected all mail to humor at myhost to be run on
/usr/local/mail/mailman/wrapper post humor
 Now I send an email to humor at myhost and no error is given . but no mail
returns to the users belonging to the list humor!

Any ideas?

Thanks

  Sergio



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From scott at noggon.com  Thu Feb 21 19:12:25 2002
From: scott at noggon.com (Scott Spence)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:12:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
In-Reply-To: <3C7517A4.19A12A2@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202211808110.6241-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Scott Spence wrote:
>
> > This INSTALL file *MUST* be wrong - surely??
>
>     They are misleading...

i.e. Misname a feature of the ./configure utility? - very misleading! ;-)

>
>
> > Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
> >
> > I go though changing these permissions and get the same problem (ie
> > basically SGID is not working..).....I think it must have 'defaults' set not JUST 'rw'
>
>     FYI, _all_ of my servers running mailman have 'defaults' set in
> fstab.  As I said before, your fstab (theoretically) has nothing to do
> with it.  The 'defaults' setting in fstab sets the following options:
> rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async
>
yes, that is why I think defaults is likely to be a better option than rw

If I change it i think I have to reboot (or re-mount) for it to take
effect - right?

>     One thing I forgot to ask you before...  When you configured, made
> and ran make install, what user were you logged in as?

i made it as myself- not root (I see what you are getting at) - I made
sure I (as a normal user) had write access to the directory.

Somthing interesting I did was copy the apache binary and create a
differnet conf file on the non rw mounted partition - no change - perhaps
it is because python is running from there also..

:-(

Scott
>
> --
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>
>
>

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Fiona Mobile: +34 65 337 8574




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb 21 20:22:25 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:22:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202211808110.6241-100000@kiko.noggon.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3C7548F0.E9398A87@pcraft.com>

Scott Spence wrote:

> If I change it i think I have to reboot (or re-mount) for it to take
> effect - right?

    Just remount should do.  Unless it's the root drive (/)


> i made it as myself- not root (I see what you are getting at) - I made
> sure I (as a normal user) had write access to the directory.

    Actually, I was trying to find out whether you did it as the user mailman runs under, or
someone else.  If it's been done as a user other than what mailman runs as, you're just asking
for trouble.

    AMK4

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From root at awenet.com  Wed Feb 20 00:31:41 2002
From: root at awenet.com (Charlie ROOT)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:31:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.33.0202191522270.64120-100000@awenet.com>

Hi all,

I'm trying to correlate posts logged in logs/post with messages sent in
logs/smtp.  The idea is to be able to say, "subscriber W posted a message
of size X to list Y which was delivered to Z subscribers", allowing the
generation of some per-list and per-site statistics.  Question:

Aug 05 01:51:31 2001 (46470) post to Y from W, size=X, 1 failures
                      ^^^^^
What is that number?  Any help appreciated...

Thanks,

-Bill





From tdavis at birddog.com  Wed Feb 20 01:05:43 2002
From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis)
Date: 19 Feb 2002 18:05:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
Message-ID: <1014163549.9944.2.camel@td>

Is it possible to force a digest somehow? Like with a command either
sent over email or directly out of cron on the box?

-- 
Terry Davis
Systems Administrator
BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
(402) 829-6059
www.birddog.com




From xyllah at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 20 02:28:37 2002
From: xyllah at hotmail.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:28:37 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
Message-ID: <F16RFuuyC4sTktQVpZJ00006729@hotmail.com>

No idea. I'd check the documentation. I believe (and I haven't researched 
this) that it will trigger digests for all lists on that particular Mailman 
system. I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will pipe in that knows a bit more 
about it.


>From: "Terry Davis" <tdavis at birddog.com>
>
>Thank you and excuse me for my laziness.  :(
>
>This suggests all lists.  Can this be done on a per list or per user basis?
>
>Thank you once again!
>
>--
>Terry Davis
>Systems Administrator
>BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
>
>
>Quoting Michael Johnson <johnsonamichael at qwest.net>:
>
>  Always helps to help oneself and do a bit of reading.
>
>  http://www.list.org/admins.html
>
>  Cron scripts
>  Mailman comes with a number of scripts that are typically only run by 
>cron.
>  However, it is generally okay for the site administrator to run these
>  scripts manually, say to force a sending of accumulated digests, or to 
>mail
>  out member passwords, etc. You generally run these by invoking the Python
>  executable on them, like so:
>  % cd /home/mailman
>  % python -S cron/senddigests
>
>  The -S option is an optimization and (minor) security recommendation; it
>  inhibits Python's implicit import site on initialization. Not all of 
>these
>  scripts support the --help option. Here is a brief description of what 
>the
>  cron scripts do:
>  <snip>
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>  > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Terry Davis
>  > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:10 PM
>  > To: mailman-users at python.org
>  > Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
>  >
>  >
>  > Is it possible to force a digest somehow? Like with a command either
>  > sent over email or directly out of cron on the box?
>  >
>  > --
>  > Terry Davis
>  > Systems Administrator
>  > BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
>  > (402) 829-6059
>  > www.birddog.com
>  >
>  >
>  > ------------------------------------------------------
>  > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>  >
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>


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From delpy at sover.net  Wed Feb 20 06:00:13 2002
From: delpy at sover.net (Delpy)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backups
Message-ID: <004701c1b9cb$7b3f2500$6601a8c0@sanmik.com>

I can't find any reference to this possible issue:

Is it OK to simply tar the Mailman directory and call that a backup? I ask
because I'm not sure what the issues are surrounding this while the Mailman
cron entries may or may not be running at the moment of tar. In the end, I'd
like to be in a position to restore Mailman on a brand new OS load with no
hassles as well as a possible restore to the current machine. Anyone with
any practical experience willing to share?

Thanks!




From nilza at prodemge.gov.br  Wed Feb 20 14:00:43 2002
From: nilza at prodemge.gov.br (Nilza Penha Silva)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:00:43 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
Message-ID: <3C739DFB.E73843D2@prodemge.gov.br>

I use Postfix for my MTA and when I send mail to the list I get back
mail saying:

                        The Postfix program

<prodemge at fapemig.br>: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post prodemge". Command output:
Failure to
    exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 60001.  (Reconfigure to take
60001?)

What does it mean? Why does it want GID 1?
What I have to do to solve this problem?

Thanks,

Nilza Silva - Prodemge - Brasil
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From david at professional-traders.com  Wed Feb 20 14:57:09 2002
From: david at professional-traders.com (David Henkin)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:57:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Help
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220085451.028c28e8@incoming.laser.net>

Folks, 2 months ago I requested a reply from "consultants"
unfortunately I deleted the list.

If you can help me with mailman on a consulting basis please advise.


David Henkin
o) 703-793-3180
f)  703-793-3381
2 way pager proftrad at airmessage.net
email david at professional-traders.com




From tony at craftech.com  Wed Feb 20 16:11:23 2002
From: tony at craftech.com (Antonio Rocha)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Footer
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220101018.02c13ec0@pop3.craftech.com>

Hi,
Is it possible to add my logo to the mailman footer, and how?

Thanks
Tony
-----------------------------------------------
Antonio Rocha                Voice 610-566-0980
CrafTech Computer Solutions    Fax 610-566-9340
113 Old State Road            tony at craftech.com
Media, PA 19063         http://www.craftech.com
-----------------------------------------------




From doug.harris at infosphere.com  Wed Feb 20 16:56:04 2002
From: doug.harris at infosphere.com (doug.harris at infosphere.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:56:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Threads
Message-ID: <C228AB6B600CD611A60E0090274ED9BE0C0AA8@mail.infosphere.com>

I am having the same problem, but only from Outlook.  If the mail is sent
via sendmail it threads fine.  I am having our SysAdmin people look at our
Exchange Server to determine if it is stripping headers from the email
posts.  See the link below:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-July/012994.html

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Bodnyk, Bruce W [mailto:BBodnyk at fciconnect.com]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 1:01 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Threads


Hi,

I just got Mailman up and running. I've been doing some testing by posting
messages to a
list I created and then replying to them. I see that Mailman maintains an
archive that you
can view in a variety of different ways one of which is by thread.

I would have expected that replies to a thread to be indented but all the
postings and replies
are lined up starting at the same column of the page. Does something need to
be done to
enable replies to a posting to be indented or does Mailman just not do this?

Thanks!
Bruce

Bruce W. Bodnyk
Staff Engineer, CAE Development
FCI Electronics
825 Old Trail Road
Etters, PA 17319-9351

Phone: (717) 938-7543
Fax: (717) 938-7224
E-Mail: bbodnyk at fciconnect.com



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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From paul at IntegrationNewMedia.com  Wed Feb 20 21:40:56 2002
From: paul at IntegrationNewMedia.com (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <p05101402b899b79f5ab8@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <3C73D01A.10329.1FFF78E9@localhost> <20020220181637.GT13636@koala.integration.qc.ca> <p05101402b899b79f5ab8@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <20020220204056.GX13636@koala.integration.qc.ca>

Well, that's the solution with the current Mailman. Something stronger
(digital signatures) would, of course, be desirable but I don't think it's
going to happen in the very near future.

Thinking about it, maybe such a solution can be implemented with procmail and
gpg. Mailman would accept everything that comes to it but procmail would
intercept all emails before Mailman can even get them and test the signature
using gpg. I don't know if anybody actually did it but it should be possible,
if the requirements for security are high.

Paul

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, John W Baxter wrote:

> At 13:16 -0500 2/20/2002, Paul-Catalin Oros wrote:
> >Implicitly approved
> >people. I just tested this and it works fine.
> 
> Implicitly approved people (addresses) can be forged.  Easily.
> 
> Over on the developer list, I recently suggested using digitally signed
> messages as the implicit approval mechanism.  Now, we're pretty much
> talking people rather than addresses (throw out the key if one gets
> compromised).
> 
> The responses were all about various ways to implicitly approve addresses.
> No response that I recall seeing discussed digital signatures.
> 
> Oh, well.
> 
>   --John
> 
> -- 
> John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
The hardness of butter is directly proportional to the softness of the bread.




From billp at worldwit.org  Thu Feb 21 02:17:56 2002
From: billp at worldwit.org (Bill Phillips)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:17:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman information
References: <00d501c1b735$f9bedf30$6687e541@znyc3bphillip2> <0557f0536021122FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com> <1013918845.9206.20.camel@crab>
Message-ID: <004f01c1ba75$9de8e370$7a321a3f@znyc3bphillip2>

Hi Chris and Jon,

Thanks very much for getting back to me.

Jon, I'm hoping you can tell me a bit about Mailman and its limitatins.  If
we could use it the way we desire, I would contract you to set it up for us.
Can we impliment Mailman for up to 100 lists with with up to 30,000
subscribers?  Some of the lists have a lot of traffic, maybe 50 messages per
day while others have just a few.  Our biggest list is about 4,000 -- that's
the list that gets 50 messages a day.

We would like to set the digest to a set number of messages, say 10 and
insert different header messages in each digest.

Thanks again,

Bill Phillips
home - 312-492-7351

our site is www.worldwit.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hedemark" <chris at yonderway.com>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Cc: "Bill Phillips" <billp at worldwit.org>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman information


> Thank you very much Jon.
>
> Yes I've done quite a few Mailman implementations and would be happy to
> talk to you about your own needs.
>
> Drop me a line, let me know what you'd like to get out of Mailman, and
> we'll take it from there.
>
> Best regards,
> Chris Hedemark
>
> On Sat, 2002-02-16 at 21:36, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > I strongly recommend Chris Hedemark.  He setup the Mailman mailing list
for
> > my organization (TriLUG.org), and did a wonderful job.  He's really a
great
> > guy and I've recommened him to other folks as well.  I've CC'ed him - so
you
> > should have his address.
> >
> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> >
> > ===
> > On Saturday 16 February 2002 05:04 pm, Bill Phillips wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Can you put me in contact with any contractors or consultants who can
> > > configure and program Mailman to operate on our Linux box?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill Phillips
> > > Online Strategy Director
> > > WorldWIT, Inc.
> > > www.worldwit.org
> --
> ***********************************************************
> | Chris Hedemark
> | Hillsborough, NC
> | http://yonderway.com/chris
> | GPG Public Key - http://yonderway.com/chris/hedemark.gpg
> ***********************************************************
>
>




From =?iso-8859-7?Q?=CA=E1=EC=E1=F1=E9=E1=ED=DC=EA=E7=F2_=C3=E9=DC=ED=ED?=  Thu Feb 21 13:43:13 2002
From: =?iso-8859-7?Q?=CA=E1=EC=E1=F1=E9=E1=ED=DC=EA=E7=F2_=C3=E9=DC=ED=ED?= (=?iso-8859-7?Q?=CA=E1=EC=E1=F1=E9=E1=ED=DC=EA=E7=F2_=C3=E9=DC=ED=ED?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:43:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments
Message-ID: <202BD8D18C46D411B7420004AC9D486A3B91B6@MMAIL>

hi 

Iam managing the Hellas Freediving List 
via mailman ver 2.0.3
Iam very satisfied but I can't find some option to disable sending
attachments! is there any ? please give me a piece of advice! 

thanks a lot
kamarianakis giannis
athens 



From rahulsjohari at hoboe.com  Thu Feb 21 14:22:43 2002
From: rahulsjohari at hoboe.com (Rahul S. Johari)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:22:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug
Message-ID: <200202211322.g1LDMhp31190@mail24.bigmailbox.com>

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From gsmith at shoptalk.com  Thu Feb 21 18:43:26 2002
From: gsmith at shoptalk.com (Garrett Smith)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:43:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Question
Message-ID: <NFBBJIAMCLIPPPBAIPHFIEHOCBAA.gsmith@shoptalk.com>

I checked the wish list and features page of your Web site, and couldn't
find any mention of whether Mailman support subscribing and unsubscribing
via e-mail.  For example, can a user subscribe by simply sending a message
to subscribeme at somedomain.com?

Thanks,
Garrett
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From paul-l at integration.qc.ca  Thu Feb 21 23:17:43 2002
From: paul-l at integration.qc.ca (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:17:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Footer
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220101018.02c13ec0@pop3.craftech.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220101018.02c13ec0@pop3.craftech.com>
Message-ID: <20020221221742.GI24148@koala.integration.qc.ca>

Are you talking about the web pages or about the actual messages sent to
lists?

Paul

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Antonio Rocha wrote:

> Hi,
> Is it possible to add my logo to the mailman footer, and how?
> 
> Thanks
> Tony
> -----------------------------------------------
> Antonio Rocha                Voice 610-566-0980
> CrafTech Computer Solutions    Fax 610-566-9340
> 113 Old State Road            tony at craftech.com
> Media, PA 19063         http://www.craftech.com
> -----------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From sebold at lcms.org  Thu Feb 21 23:28:47 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:28:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments
In-Reply-To: <202BD8D18C46D411B7420004AC9D486A3B91B6@MMAIL>
 =?iso-8859-7?q?(=CA=E1=EC=E1=F1=E9=E1=ED=DC=EA=E7=F2_=C3=E9=DC=ED=ED=E7=F2's?=
 message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:43:13 +0200")
References: <202BD8D18C46D411B7420004AC9D486A3B91B6@MMAIL>
Message-ID: <874rkalba8.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

On 9 Adar 5762, ???????????? ??????? wrote:

> Iam very satisfied but I can't find some option to disable sending
> attachments! is there any ? please give me a piece of advice! 

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp

This is the most up-to-date FAQ on Mailman, and the entry above shows
most of the most common solutions.

This has been coming up very often lately, so you should probably check
the archives next time, too.
-- 
Charles Sebold                                         9th of Adar, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems                http://unix.ois.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***



From ayrous at usis.minsa.gob.pe  Fri Feb 22 00:04:27 2002
From: ayrous at usis.minsa.gob.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ayrous?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:04:27 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Help_Mailman?=
Message-ID: <1350.10.10.4.5.1014332667.squirrel@usismail.usis.minsa.gob.pe>

Necesito ayuda me esta saliendo el siguiente error a la hora que corro el 
siguiente comando

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?)

Thank`s




From ayrous at usis.minsa.gob.pe  Fri Feb 22 00:06:28 2002
From: ayrous at usis.minsa.gob.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ayrous?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:06:28 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Help_Mailman?=
Message-ID: <1359.10.10.4.5.1014332788.squirrel@usismail.usis.minsa.gob.pe>

Necesito ayuda me esta saliendo el siguiente error a la hora que corro el 
siguiente comando: ./wrapper post soporte

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?)

Thank`s




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Feb 22 00:51:32 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:51:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug
References: <200202211322.g1LDMhp31190@mail24.bigmailbox.com>
Message-ID: <006401c1bb32$b0801ef0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

I've never put a "." in a mailing list name before...  I can't think of a
reason why it wouldn't take that, but has the list worked in the past? Do
other lists on the site work?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahul S. Johari" <rahulsjohari at hoboe.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:22 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug


> Hi,
>
> I'm writing this just to report a bug in your Mailing List System. On
trying to log on to my Administration page, i'm getting this error since
yesterday :
>
> "Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8
>
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs."
>
> This is the page i'm trying to log onto :
> http://hamster.nocdns.com/mailman/admin/mjimm_mjimm.com
>
> Thanks,
> Rahul S. Johari
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "None of it is 'Best', if it's second best. Cause i know only one number,
and that is 'One'. Cause there's 3 types of people in the world. Those who
dont' know what's happening. Those who know but dont' care what's happening.
And people like us who makes those things happen."
>                            - Rahul S. "2shy" Johari
>                              Producer, Mjimm.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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From jonc at haht.com  Fri Feb 22 00:52:33 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:52:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Question
References: <NFBBJIAMCLIPPPBAIPHFIEHOCBAA.gsmith@shoptalk.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c1bb32$d4d71970$0b04010a@JCARNES>

mailman already supports subscribe and unsubscribe via email.  Users can
also change their preferences via email.

Jon Carnes
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Garrett Smith
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:43 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Question


  I checked the wish list and features page of your Web site, and couldn't
find any mention of whether Mailman support subscribing and unsubscribing
via e-mail.  For example, can a user subscribe by simply sending a message
to subscribeme at somedomain.com?

  Thanks,
  Garrett
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From jonc at haht.com  Fri Feb 22 01:06:30 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
References: <F16RFuuyC4sTktQVpZJ00006729@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601c1bb34$c80e2bf0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

POC!  Copy the file ~mailman/cron/senddigests to
~mailman/cron/send<listname>digest
Next, edit the new file so that it only runs the digest for <listname>
  (get rid of the first "for" statement and in the second statement, change
'listname' to '"<listname>"')

I think that should work.  If not play with it a bit on a test list.  It
shouldn't take more than an hour to get it working the way you want.

Now when you want to send a digest for that specific list run:
  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/send<listname>digest

Hope this helps,
   Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Johnson" <xyllah at hotmail.com>
To: <tdavis at birddog.com>; <johnsonamichael at qwest.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] send digest command


>
> No idea. I'd check the documentation. I believe (and I haven't researched
> this) that it will trigger digests for all lists on that particular
Mailman
> system. I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will pipe in that knows a bit more
> about it.
>
>
> >From: "Terry Davis" <tdavis at birddog.com>
> >
> >Thank you and excuse me for my laziness.  :(
> >
> >This suggests all lists.  Can this be done on a per list or per user
basis?
> >
> >Thank you once again!
> >
> >--
> >Terry Davis
> >Systems Administrator
> >BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
> >
> >
> >Quoting Michael Johnson <johnsonamichael at qwest.net>:
> >
> >  Always helps to help oneself and do a bit of reading.
> >
> >  http://www.list.org/admins.html
> >
> >  Cron scripts
> >  Mailman comes with a number of scripts that are typically only run by
> >cron.
> >  However, it is generally okay for the site administrator to run these
> >  scripts manually, say to force a sending of accumulated digests, or to
> >mail
> >  out member passwords, etc. You generally run these by invoking the
Python
> >  executable on them, like so:
> >  % cd /home/mailman
> >  % python -S cron/senddigests
> >
> >  The -S option is an optimization and (minor) security recommendation;
it
> >  inhibits Python's implicit import site on initialization. Not all of
> >these
> >  scripts support the --help option. Here is a brief description of what
> >the
> >  cron scripts do:
> >  <snip>
> >
> >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> >  > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Terry Davis
> >  > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:10 PM
> >  > To: mailman-users at python.org
> >  > Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Is it possible to force a digest somehow? Like with a command either
> >  > sent over email or directly out of cron on the box?
> >  >
> >  > --
> >  > Terry Davis
> >  > Systems Administrator
> >  > BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
> >  > (402) 829-6059
> >  > www.birddog.com
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > ------------------------------------------------------
> >  > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>
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From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Feb 22 01:06:31 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:06:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
References: <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <p05101404b89b3b934796@[207.149.192.229]>

At 10:23 -0800 2/21/2002, Mike Noyes wrote:
>It appears that the Python re module is used. Does this mean we can use the
>Python re module extensions in "Hold posts"?
>
>ref.
>http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
>http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html

You ought to be able to use regular expressions as they are in the version
of Python which is in use to run Mailman.  Currently, I think that means
that the answer is "yes or no" unless we know that version number.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jonc at haht.com  Fri Feb 22 01:35:14 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:35:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Berdmann!  get MIMEDEFANG!!!
Message-ID: <000a01c1bb38$cba07da0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Mimedefang can be found at:
  http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/

Get it!  Use it!

===
For anyone else, I have a nice procmail script that auto responds to
Berdmann's obnoxious auto response... I will gladly share it with folks.

Jon Carnes
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From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Fri Feb 22 01:38:56 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:38:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <p05101404b89b3b934796@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>

At 2002-02-21 16:06 -0800, John W Baxter wrote:
>At 10:23 -0800 2/21/2002, Mike Noyes wrote:
> >It appears that the Python re module is used. Does this mean we can
> >use the Python re module extensions in "Hold posts"?
> >
> >ref.
> >http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
> >http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html
>
>You ought to be able to use regular expressions as they are in the
>version of Python which is in use to run Mailman.  Currently, I think
>that means that the answer is "yes or no" unless we know that version
>number.

John,
Thanks for responding. The Mailman version is 2.0.5 patched by Marc MERLIN 
on SourceForge. The Python version is 1.5.

I'd like to use the (?!...) negative lookahead assertion, but I'm not 
having much luck. :-(

This string doesn't work correctly.

Content-Type: .*(?!plain--signed)

Note: I'm not very good with regexp, and I have no programming experience 
with Python.

--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=1000&page_id=4




From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Feb 22 02:05:16 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:05:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>
References: <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <p05101408b89b49578167@[207.149.192.229]>

At 16:38 -0800 2/21/2002, Mike Noyes wrote:
>Thanks for responding. The Mailman version is 2.0.5 patched by Marc MERLIN
>on SourceForge. The Python version is 1.5.
>
>I'd like to use the (?!...) negative lookahead assertion, but I'm not
>having much luck. :-(

That version of Python is too old for what you want to do (I'm almost
certain).  Someone who actually knows can specify which version the redone
regular expressions appeared in.

  --John


-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Feb 22 03:35:42 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:35:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backups
In-Reply-To: <004701c1b9cb$7b3f2500$6601a8c0@sanmik.com>
References: <004701c1b9cb$7b3f2500$6601a8c0@sanmik.com>
Message-ID: <0f64d3735021622FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

Pretty much that's what I do, and it's worked well for over a year.  Don't 
forget to back up the /etc/aliases file as well, and your /etc/httpd/conf 
directory.

Jon Carnes
===
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 12:00 am, Delpy wrote:
> I can't find any reference to this possible issue:
>
> Is it OK to simply tar the Mailman directory and call that a backup? I ask
> because I'm not sure what the issues are surrounding this while the Mailman
> cron entries may or may not be running at the moment of tar. In the end,
> I'd like to be in a position to restore Mailman on a brand new OS load with
> no hassles as well as a possible restore to the current machine. Anyone
> with any practical experience willing to share?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From pburkett at callatg.com  Fri Feb 22 01:48:40 2002
From: pburkett at callatg.com (Paul Burkett)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:48:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMail documentation
Message-ID: <20020221164840.5a7d7f3b.pburkett@callatg.com>

Who do I contract concerning the README.QMAIL, I don't get it one bit and I need to ask a few questions.

-- 
Paul Burkett
ATG Intern
http://www.red-fusion.org/



From tim at 7thheaven.org  Fri Feb 22 04:45:55 2002
From: tim at 7thheaven.org (tim)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:45:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group error message
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202210018210.7243-100000@firefox.malibyte.net>
Message-ID: <3C75BEF3.2080909@7thheaven.org>

Bob Sully wrote:

>Hey all - could someone tip me off as to the problem here?
>
>[mailman at firefox: ~]$ /var/mailman/bin/check_perms
>Traceback (innermost last):
>  File "/var/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
>    MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
>TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation
>
Yes... you are probably using a crudded up Defaults.py.
I've found that some RPMs of mailman seem to have MAILMAN_UID = 'mailman',
and MAILMAN_GID = 'mailman', which clearly breaks the Python code.

If you open Defaults.py and change them to whatever the numerical value of
mailman is in your /etc/passwd and /etc/group, it'll work.

>





From hicking at du.gtn.com  Fri Feb 22 09:32:13 2002
From: hicking at du.gtn.com (Marcel Hicking)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:32:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list: admin vs moderator
In-Reply-To: <20020221181841.GG24148@koala.integration.qc.ca>
References: <3C74E3F4.54.2434FCB4@localhost>
Message-ID: <3C76101D.16781.28C97239@localhost>

Paul-Catalin Oros <paul-l at integration.qc.ca> 21 Feb 2002 at 
13:18:

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Marcel Hicking wrote:
[...]
> > Hmm, sort of. I was thinking about using the implicit email
> > adress posting allowed thing, but since From etc header can
> > be most easily faked, I don't think this is very secure?
> > What do you think?
> 
> I don't think Mailman in its current incarnation can do more than that. So you
> would probably have to ressort to external filters. An idea would be to build
> a system that does digital signatures verification. Or if you want something
> simpler, just use a filter that checks for a certain header to be present,
> then forwards the email to the list. Of course, you should drop the header
> before it gets to the list. All other emails would be silently dropped.

Although, this is would mean the security depends on
no one knowing the "secret" header line. Not much I
would trust in... An if I go into pre-filtering the
postings with procmail, I'd prefer proper gpg sigs 
then. Should be ok for low volume lists, but I 
agree that this is actually not the idea of an
"intergrated" maillist manager. 

Any ideas if 2.1 would go further than this?


Cheers, Marcel


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 `. `?  Debian/GNU Linux
   `-




From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 22 12:31:54 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:31:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail Delay and domain problems.
Message-ID: <20020222113155.18422.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All,

I have mailman ver 2.0.8 running on Solaris 2.8, I run
sendmail 8.11.3(which came along with the OS)

I am having the problems in delay in getting the email
sent when i create an mailling list or when i send a
group mail, I have set the DS entry in sendmail.cf to
mailrelay.domainname.com 

and also like to know how to set the user name at
domain name. Eg if  my domain name is ap.mydom.com
then the mailman server name is "fly" then if a mail
sent by me(zappy at ap.mydom.com) will go to
zappy at fly.ap.mydom.com , Now how to make it appear in
the email as zappy at ap.mydom.com,
TIA,
Regs
DK

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From nb at thinkcoach.com  Fri Feb 22 13:33:46 2002
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:33:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220085451.028c28e8@incoming.laser.net> (message
	from David Henkin on Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:57:09 -0500)
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220085451.028c28e8@incoming.laser.net>
Message-ID: <200202221233.g1MCXkU14903@quill.local>

> Folks, 2 months ago I requested a reply from "consultants"
> unfortunately I deleted the list.
> 
> If you can help me with mailman on a consulting basis please advise.

I can :-)

Also, since this seems to be such an FAQ, I've added it as
question 1.5 to the "Mailing List FAQ" which I'm starting at
http://maillist.info/

Consultants who offer help with GNU Mailman are invited to add
themselves there (the site uses the Python FAQ wizard, so you
can add yourself.  Overly blatant self-promotion will be
edited down though :-)

I'd like to also invite those who can recommend a consultant 
to do so, there.

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A founder of the http://DotGNU.org project and Steering Committee member
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name   http://cisto.com



From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Fri Feb 22 16:47:31 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:47:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <p05101408b89b49578167@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020222073454.00bd0a50@pop.mindspring.com>

At 2002-02-21 17:05 -0800, John W Baxter wrote:
>At 16:38 -0800 2/21/2002, Mike Noyes wrote:
> >Thanks for responding. The Mailman version is 2.0.5 patched by Marc
> >MERLIN on SourceForge. The Python version is 1.5.
> >
> >I'd like to use the (?!...) negative lookahead assertion, but I'm not
> >having much luck. :-(
>
>That version of Python is too old for what you want to do (I'm almost
>certain).  Someone who actually knows can specify which version the
>redone regular expressions appeared in.

John,
It looks like the regexp was redone in v1.5.
ref.
http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex-to-re/regex-to-re.html


I erroneously got the Python version from the SF shell server. The SF list 
server is on a different machine, and I was unable to locate the Python 
version from the Mailman list manager pages. :-(

Marc MERLIN knows which version of Python runs on the SF list server. I 
hope he is reading this thread, so he can enlighten us.

--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=1000&page_id=4




From alex at laplaza.org  Fri Feb 22 17:50:06 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:50:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 ?
Message-ID: <399326C6-27B4-11D6-8118-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>

I'm running mailman 2.0.8 with python 2.1.1 on a solaris 7 spac.
and I keep getting these messages in my error log when I try to view the 
mailman webpage.

admin(25778):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line
31, in
?
admin(25778):     import urllib
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
admin(25778):     import socket
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/socket.py", line 41, in ?
admin(25778):     from _socket import *
admin(25778): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/bin/python: fatal:
libssl.so.0.9.6: ope
n failed: No such file or directory
admin(25778): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(25778): sys.version    = 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 25 2001, 04:37:28)
[GCC 3.0.1]
admin(25778): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(25778): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.platform   = sunos5

I know its a python issue has anyone else had any success with this on a 
sun?
will mailman 2.0.8 run on python 1.5.1?( I'm almost ready to go back)
can anybody give me a clue what to try next?

Ive already tried to modify the LD_LIRARY see below:

root at elvis logs $ set
BASH=/usr/sbin/bash
BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="03" [2]="0" [3]="1" [4]="release"
[5]="sparc-sun-solaris2.7")
BASH_VERSION='2.03.0(1)-release'
COLUMNS=80
DIRSTACK=()
EUID=0
GROUPS=()
HISTFILE=//.bash_history
HISTFILESIZE=500
HISTSIZE=500
HOME=/
HOSTNAME=elvis
HOSTTYPE=sparc
HZ=
IFS='
'
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/
LINES=25
LOGNAME=root
MACHTYPE=sparc-sun-solaris2.7
MAILCHECK=60
OLDPWD=/usr/local/ssl/lib
OPTERR=1
OPTIND=1
OSTYPE=solaris2.7
PATH=/usr/ccs/bin/:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin/adminscripts
PIPESTATUS=([0]="0")
PPID=10892
PS1='\u at elvis \W $ '
PS2='> '
PS4='+ '
PWD=/usr/local/mailman/logs
SHELL=/sbin/sh
SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comments:
emacs
SHLVL=1
TERM=vt100
TZ=US/Mountain
UID=0
_=LD_LIBRARY_PATH
root at elvis logs $


thanks

......:::  Alex Chavez  :  System Admin :::......
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From Albert.C.Smith at questdiagnostics.com  Fri Feb 22 18:01:49 2002
From: Albert.C.Smith at questdiagnostics.com (Smith, Albert C)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:01:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 ?
Message-ID: <A3B36DCDC0D6D511AEF200508BB850CC14E008@wndsx-nt34.cl.na.sb.com>

I had this same problem. You will need to upgrade to Python 2.2 to get it to
work.

Albert Smith
Unix Administrator
Quest Diagnostics Inc.
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Pager:	800-946-4646 pin 1723803
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Chavez [mailto:alex at laplaza.org]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:50 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 ?


I'm running mailman 2.0.8 with python 2.1.1 on a solaris 7 spac.
and I keep getting these messages in my error log when I try to view the 
mailman webpage.

admin(25778):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line
31, in
?
admin(25778):     import urllib
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
admin(25778):     import socket
admin(25778):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/socket.py", line 41, in ?
admin(25778):     from _socket import *
admin(25778): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/bin/python: fatal:
libssl.so.0.9.6: ope
n failed: No such file or directory
admin(25778): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(25778): sys.version    = 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 25 2001, 04:37:28)
[GCC 3.0.1]
admin(25778): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(25778): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(25778): sys.platform   = sunos5

I know its a python issue has anyone else had any success with this on a 
sun?
will mailman 2.0.8 run on python 1.5.1?( I'm almost ready to go back)
can anybody give me a clue what to try next?

Ive already tried to modify the LD_LIRARY see below:

root at elvis logs $ set
BASH=/usr/sbin/bash
BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="2" [1]="03" [2]="0" [3]="1" [4]="release"
[5]="sparc-sun-solaris2.7")
BASH_VERSION='2.03.0(1)-release'
COLUMNS=80
DIRSTACK=()
EUID=0
GROUPS=()
HISTFILE=//.bash_history
HISTFILESIZE=500
HISTSIZE=500
HOME=/
HOSTNAME=elvis
HOSTTYPE=sparc
HZ=
IFS='
'
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/
LINES=25
LOGNAME=root
MACHTYPE=sparc-sun-solaris2.7
MAILCHECK=60
OLDPWD=/usr/local/ssl/lib
OPTERR=1
OPTIND=1
OSTYPE=solaris2.7
PATH=/usr/ccs/bin/:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin/adminscr
ipts
PIPESTATUS=([0]="0")
PPID=10892
PS1='\u at elvis \W $ '
PS2='> '
PS4='+ '
PWD=/usr/local/mailman/logs
SHELL=/sbin/sh
SHELLOPTS=braceexpand:hashall:histexpand:monitor:history:interactive-comment
s:
emacs
SHLVL=1
TERM=vt100
TZ=US/Mountain
UID=0
_=LD_LIBRARY_PATH
root at elvis logs $


thanks

......:::  Alex Chavez  :  System Admin :::......
La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org
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From rcs at malibyte.net  Fri Feb 22 18:27:04 2002
From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:27:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group error message
In-Reply-To: <3C75BEF3.2080909@7thheaven.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0202220926110.23037-100000@firefox.malibyte.net>

Thanks, Tim - that fixed it.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, tim wrote:

> Yes... you are probably using a crudded up Defaults.py.
> I've found that some RPMs of mailman seem to have MAILMAN_UID = 'mailman',
> and MAILMAN_GID = 'mailman', which clearly breaks the Python code.
> 
> If you open Defaults.py and change them to whatever the numerical value of
> mailman is in your /etc/passwd and /etc/group, it'll work.

-- Bob --
________________________________________
Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA
http://www.malibyte.net

"The weather is here - wish you were beautiful." - J. Buffett





From roger at faccat.br  Fri Feb 22 20:24:23 2002
From: roger at faccat.br (Roger Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:24:23 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need help
Message-ID: <1014405863.3c769ae7812be@correio.faccat.br>

 I need help for run the mailman. The error: 
" Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected
  traceback (innermost last):
    File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 177, in process
    File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in in 
hold_for_approval
    File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 144, in HoldMessage
    File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
EOFError: EOF read where object expected "

My Mailman is a Version 2.0.8, released on Nov 27 2001.

Thanks RW



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From mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com  Fri Feb 22 20:37:02 2002
From: mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com (Maurice  Lafleur)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:37:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime and aliases **SOLVED**
Message-ID: <200202221937.g1MJb2Y25728@superglide.netfx-2000.net>

Just to keep you up to speed with the most recent findings on stripmime.pl running unde RH7.2, here's the scoop.

As presented on the stripmime web site, the alias does not work. I had to do the following workaround (helped by a linux guru from 
another list I am a member):

1. Create a small script in /etc/smrsh (e.g. call it
       "/etc/smrsh/strip" or whatever):

       #!/bin/bash
       /usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper "$@"

 2. Change your alias to:

       test: "|/etc/smrsh/strip post test"

3. newaliases

adn Voila!, it works.

Best regards,


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From roger at faccat.br  Fri Feb 22 21:26:23 2002
From: roger at faccat.br (Roger Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:26:23 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected" <-- I need help for this!
Message-ID: <1014409583.3c76a96f94b20@correio.faccat.br>

  I need help for run the mailman. The error: 


    " Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected
      traceback (innermost last):
        File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 177, in
    process
        File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in in
    hold_for_approval
        File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 144, in
    HoldMessage
        File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 69, in
    __opendb
    EOFError: EOF read where object expected "



  My Mailman is a Version 2.0.8, released on Nov 27 2001.

                       Thanks, Roger Wagner



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From alex at laplaza.org  Fri Feb 22 22:17:04 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:17:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install error
Message-ID: <8510481A-27D9-11D6-8118-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>

I'm trying to install python 2.2 on solaris 7 os 5.7 sparc.

the configure --with-gcc seemed to go well.

but I get this err msg when I run make:

root at elvis Python-2.2 $ make
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Modules/python.o Modules/python.c
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/acceler.o Parser/acceler.c
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/grammar1.o Parser/grammar1.c
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/listnode.o Parser/listnode.c
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/node.o Parser/node.c
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/parser.o Parser/parser.c
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/parsetok.o Parser/parsetok.c
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/tokenizer.o Parser/tokenizer.c
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1375: error: unknown opcode 
".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1375: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1468: error: unknown opcode 
".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1468: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1642: error: unknown opcode 
".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1642: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1737: error: unknown opcode 
".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccWJW1i7.s", line 1737: error: statement 
syntax
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Parser/tokenizer.o'
root at elvis Python-2.2 $

how do I correct this?


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From waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov  Fri Feb 22 21:20:49 2002
From: waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov (Alan L. Waller)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:20:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime and aliases **SOLVED**
In-Reply-To: <200202221937.g1MJb2Y25728@superglide.netfx-2000.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020222151833.00a891f8@osb.wff.nasa.gov>

That's interesting as I run RH7.2 and it works as advertised on the 
stripmime web site....

Al



>1. Create a small script in /etc/smrsh (e.g. call it
>        "/etc/smrsh/strip" or whatever):
>
>        #!/bin/bash
>        /usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper "$@"
>
>  2. Change your alias to:
>
>        test: "|/etc/smrsh/strip post test"
>
>3. newaliases






From mpieklik at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 22 23:11:01 2002
From: mpieklik at yahoo.com (Matthew Pieklik)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:11:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] request for help with archiving again
Message-ID: <20020222221101.38791.qmail@web20608.mail.yahoo.com>

I recently changed my smtp MTA from sendmail to
courier-mta, now web archiving no longer works using
mailman 2.0.8.  
>From what I can tell it has to do with the differences
in the headers between the two MTAs.
Does anyone know if this would be considered a problem
with Courier, or pipermail?  Any suggestions on how to
fix?
Thanks.
Matt

This header works (from sendmail)
----------------------------------------
>From mpieklik at yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 12:26:22 2002
Received: from web20603.mail.yahoo.com
(web20603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.161])
        by darksun.aerospace.com. (8.12.2/8.12.2) with
SMTP id g0LKQM3E007258
        for <kps-internal at aerospace.com>; Mon, 21 Jan
2002 12:26:22 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID:
<20020121202540.90674.qmail at web20603.mail.yahoo.com>
Received: from [209.213.212.199] by
web20603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002
12:25:40 PST
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:25:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Matthew Pieklik <mpieklik at yahoo.com>
To: kps-internal at aerospace.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Subject: [KPS-Internal] test
Sender: kps-internal-admin at aerospace.com
Errors-To: kps-internal-admin at aerospace.com
X-BeenThere: kps-internal at aerospace.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8
Precedence: bulk




Does not work (from courier-mta)
-----------------------------------
Received: from web20610.mail.yahoo.com
(web20610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.168])
  by darksun with esmtp; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:58:29
-0800
Message-ID:
<20020222205742.66926.qmail at web20610.mail.yahoo.com>
Received: from [209.213.212.199] by
web20610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002
12:57:42 PST
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:57:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Matthew Pieklik <mpieklik at yahoo.com>
To: kps-internal at aerospace.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: [Kps-internal] hello, anyone there??
Sender: kps-internal-admin at aerospace.com
Errors-To: kps-internal-admin at aerospace.com
X-BeenThere: kps-internal at aerospace.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8
Precedence: bulk


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From hillson at iastate.edu  Fri Feb 22 23:27:18 2002
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:27:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.8 problems
Message-ID: <p05101008b89c22cfb1c0@[129.186.242.1]>

I have two problems happening right now with MailMan 2.0.8

The first involves qrunner, what happens is that a list gets locked 
and no mail will go through it. This is what is shown in the log. The 
lock is created in the locks directory, the qrunner process is no 
longer running and the message is not sent. If I delete the lock 
files and the waiting message files the list works again. Is there 
someway I can get the messages sent without having to have to user 
resend them? Can the qrunner be started to send out the qfiles?

Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608): Traceback (innermost last):
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):   File 
"/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):   File 
"/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 263, in main
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):      mlist.Save()
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):   File 
"/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):      self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):   File 
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):      makelink(privdir, pubdir)
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):   File 
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608):      os.symlink(old, new)
Feb 22 09:05:21 2002 qrunner(22608): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such 
file or directory


The second error just started, on a couple of my lists when the web 
subscription interface is used by a user or admin user and error 
message is given, but the user is subscribed, however no confirming 
email is sent to the admin or the user. Any ideas on what is 
happening here. None of these lists are archived, so I am not sure 
why it is giving these archive errors. I checked the preferences on 
them all to make sure of no archiving.

Feb 22 09:54:14 2002 admin(23277): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(23277): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
admin(23277): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(23277): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(23277):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(23277):     main()
admin(23277):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 154, in main
admin(23277):     ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
admin(23277):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 899, 
in ChangeOptions
admin(23277):     digest, send_welcome_msg)
admin(23277):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1124, 
in ApprovedAddMembers
admin(23277):     self.Save()
admin(23277):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
admin(23277):     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
admin(23277):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", 
line 256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
admin(23277):     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
admin(23277):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", 
line 42, in makelink
admin(23277):     os.symlink(old, new)

Any ideas on what is happening and how I can fix it.

thanks,
-- 

--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
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| hillson at iastate.edu         College of Agriculture
| http://www.ag.iastate.edu   Iowa State University
| (515) 294-1543 phone        B2 Curtiss Hall
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From MikeT at scitechsoft.com  Sat Feb 23 00:08:38 2002
From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:08:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News Gateway not spam
Message-ID: <3C765EF6.30511.14DCF7C@localhost>

I am curios how to stop a news group poster from getting spammed 
by my list server.  When he writes the news group that is connected 
to my list server via "Mail-to-News and News-to-Mail gateway 
services."

Does that make sense?

In the case a list member of the suspect group is not reachable.  
Can I change the "return-path" of newsgroup postings?  So the 
poster on the news group does not get un-wanted undeliverable 
mail from my list server.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Regards
MikeT






From morgan at hahaha.org  Sat Feb 23 00:59:22 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:59:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.8 problems
In-Reply-To: <p05101008b89c22cfb1c0@[129.186.242.1]> (Thomas Hillson's
 message of "Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:27:18 -0600")
References: <p05101008b89c22cfb1c0@[129.186.242.1]>
Message-ID: <87pu2xvzj9.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Thomas Hillson <hillson at iastate.edu> writes:
> The first involves qrunner, what happens is that a list gets locked and no
> mail will go through it. 

Tom, when I first moved my 1800-member list to mailman, it had upwards of
200 dead addresses. Those 200 dead addresses caused a lot of bounces, and
for some reason the bounces seemed to reach critical mass, wedging the CPU
and causing qrunner to abend. Qrunner was in cron, subsequent qrunner
attempts started stacking up in the locks directory. First thing I did was
to comment the qrunner cron job.

I sent email to all 1800 addresses with a script: "I am getting ready to
change the list, here's the status." (et cetera) I got back about 250
bounces, and I removed those addresses with bin/remove_members. Then I
carefully deleted all the bounces from the qfiles directory, one *.msg/*.db
pair at a time. I made sure no qrunner or other mailman processes were
running, cleaned out all the locks and ran qrunner. It's been humming along
at one-minute intervals since with no problems. List is ~1620 addresses,
about 100 messages a day, none larger than 30kb.

Morgan




From tdavis at birddog.com  Fri Feb 22 10:52:40 2002
From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis)
Date: 22 Feb 2002 03:52:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
In-Reply-To: <008601c1bb34$c80e2bf0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <F16RFuuyC4sTktQVpZJ00006729@hotmail.com> 
	<008601c1bb34$c80e2bf0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <1014371566.3949.6.camel@td>

This works perfectly.  I thank you very much for responding to my
email!  I think I need to learn a bit of python.

On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 18:06, Jon Carnes wrote:
> POC!  Copy the file ~mailman/cron/senddigests to
> ~mailman/cron/send<listname>digest
> Next, edit the new file so that it only runs the digest for <listname>
>   (get rid of the first "for" statement and in the second statement, change
> 'listname' to '"<listname>"')
> 
> I think that should work.  If not play with it a bit on a test list.  It
> shouldn't take more than an hour to get it working the way you want.
> 
> Now when you want to send a digest for that specific list run:
>   /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/send<listname>digest
> 
> Hope this helps,
>    Jon Carnes
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Johnson" <xyllah at hotmail.com>
> To: <tdavis at birddog.com>; <johnsonamichael at qwest.net>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
> 
> 
> >
> > No idea. I'd check the documentation. I believe (and I haven't researched
> > this) that it will trigger digests for all lists on that particular
> Mailman
> > system. I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will pipe in that knows a bit more
> > about it.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Terry Davis" <tdavis at birddog.com>
> > >
> > >Thank you and excuse me for my laziness.  :(
> > >
> > >This suggests all lists.  Can this be done on a per list or per user
> basis?
> > >
> > >Thank you once again!
> > >
> > >--
> > >Terry Davis
> > >Systems Administrator
> > >BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > >Quoting Michael Johnson <johnsonamichael at qwest.net>:
> > >
> > >  Always helps to help oneself and do a bit of reading.
> > >
> > >  http://www.list.org/admins.html
> > >
> > >  Cron scripts
> > >  Mailman comes with a number of scripts that are typically only run by
> > >cron.
> > >  However, it is generally okay for the site administrator to run these
> > >  scripts manually, say to force a sending of accumulated digests, or to
> > >mail
> > >  out member passwords, etc. You generally run these by invoking the
> Python
> > >  executable on them, like so:
> > >  % cd /home/mailman
> > >  % python -S cron/senddigests
> > >
> > >  The -S option is an optimization and (minor) security recommendation;
> it
> > >  inhibits Python's implicit import site on initialization. Not all of
> > >these
> > >  scripts support the --help option. Here is a brief description of what
> > >the
> > >  cron scripts do:
> > >  <snip>
> > >
> > >
> > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > >  > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > >  > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Terry Davis
> > >  > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:10 PM
> > >  > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > >  > Subject: [Mailman-Users] send digest command
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Is it possible to force a digest somehow? Like with a command either
> > >  > sent over email or directly out of cron on the box?
> > >  >
> > >  > --
> > >  > Terry Davis
> > >  > Systems Administrator
> > >  > BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
> > >  > (402) 829-6059
> > >  > www.birddog.com
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > ------------------------------------------------------
> > >  > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > >  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------------------------
> > >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
-- 
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Systems Administrator
BirdDog Solutions, Inc.
(402) 829-6059
www.birddog.com




From garry at mrbean.insider.org  Fri Feb 22 10:57:27 2002
From: garry at mrbean.insider.org (Garry Glendown)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:57:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman running berzerk ... :-(
Message-ID: <3C761607.4255B387@mrbean.insider.org>

OK, before I start - I had Mailman 2.0beta something set up for quite a
while, running several lists without any problems ... yesterday, I moved
a list with 650+ members to this machine ... so far, so good - I sent a
mail out, which worked fine, too ... except that after it was sent, it
was sent again. And again. And again. After about 4 1/2 runs, I stopped
sendmail, removed the list's aliases-entries.
This morning, I installed 2.0.8 into the same location, and the web
interface had 2.0.8 as version number, too. Anyway, after leaving for
work, it started again, continuously re-sending the mail from last
night, with same headers, dates, etc ... what is going one? If there an
option somewhere that I accidently activated that says something like
"keep on sending every mail as a line performance test" ?

Tnx, -gg



From onartech at hol.gr  Fri Feb 22 18:29:39 2002
From: onartech at hol.gr (Onar Art & Design Web Dep.)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:29:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Problem
Message-ID: <002201c1bbc6$824bd0d0$fe78a8c0@stratos>

Hello

I would like to create a mailing list for my web site but all i would like to do is to ask for the users e-mail and hold it so i can notify him regarding the changes that i make to my web site. I don;t want to allow them to send messages to the whole list :-)

I can hide the messase that says " if you want to post a message to the entyre list send a mail to the thisaddress at mylist.com ", but what i someone can guess this address ?


Any help would be really appreciated.

Thanks In advance 

sunrider
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From frank at slpoa.net  Fri Feb 22 19:29:02 2002
From: frank at slpoa.net (Frank Baillie)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:29:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <NEBBKPOCGJCOELPGMHGDKEICCHAA.frank@slpoa.net>

Hi:

Can I delete members from the list instead of ticking the 'nomail' button ?

Frank Baillie
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Feb 23 03:42:02 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help?
References: <001d01c109bd$304b6180$b4897841@delrio.com>
Message-ID: <3C77017A.D8DE996D@pcraft.com>

Eris wrote:

> I need some assistance if possible i get the following errors after reading your trouble shooting i still have no idea what im doing wrong. ***** Installation directory /home/mailman is not configured properly!
> ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /home/mailman
> ***** Permissions should be at least 02775: /home/mailman

    It tells you what the permission is supposed to be.  Try 'chmod 02775 /home/mailman' and run configure again.

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Feb 23 03:49:19 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:49:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
References: <NEBBKPOCGJCOELPGMHGDKEICCHAA.frank@slpoa.net>
Message-ID: <3C77032F.3B3CF9CB@pcraft.com>

Frank Baillie wrote:

> Can I delete members from the list instead of ticking the 'nomail' button ?

    Tick the 'subscr' instead.  Or use ./bin/remove_members

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From randall_fred at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 23 06:00:36 2002
From: randall_fred at hotmail.com (Fred Randall)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:00:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bulk Membership changes
Message-ID: <F260Q0s6WPookhkaiZe00014f08@hotmail.com>

IS there a tool that allows the modification of the membership database 
remotely so a new copy of the file can be uploaded.  What tools are 
available for membership management besides the admin page and the local 
command line utilities?

thanks for any help

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Feb 23 06:04:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:04:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News Gateway not spam
In-Reply-To: <3C765EF6.30511.14DCF7C@localhost>
References: <3C765EF6.30511.14DCF7C@localhost>
Message-ID: <0e9d91604051722FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

Mailman is Open Source so you should be able to modify the news to mail 
gateway and change the sender so that it is always <listname>-admin.

Yes, yes, yes.  You believe it is beyond your abilities or it will take a 
monstrous amount of work on your part, alas, but you are wrong.  Take a look 
at the code.  It's very easy to read and edit.

Find the program/script that Mailman uses for the News-to-Mail gateway by 
looking at the Cron entries for the Mailman user.  They are well documented, 
and should identify the script for you.

  ~mailman/cron/gate_news

Now that you know the name of the script and its location, you can back up 
the script and then edit it.  As a first try you might add the following line 
right before the comment: # Post the message to the locked list,

  msg['From'] = "<listname>-admin at mydomain.com"

I've no idea what the msg function is but... Python is increadably logical.

Good luck,
Jon Carnes

On Friday 22 February 2002 06:08 pm, MikeT at scitechsoft.com wrote:
> I am curios how to stop a news group poster from getting spammed
> by my list server.  When he writes the news group that is connected
> to my list server via "Mail-to-News and News-to-Mail gateway
> services."
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> In the case a list member of the suspect group is not reachable.
> Can I change the "return-path" of newsgroup postings?  So the
> poster on the news group does not get un-wanted undeliverable
> mail from my list server.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help!
>
> Regards
> MikeT
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From stephen at xemacs.org  Sat Feb 23 07:48:16 2002
From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: 23 Feb 2002 15:48:16 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News Gateway not spam
In-Reply-To: <0e9d91604051722FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>
References: <3C765EF6.30511.14DCF7C@localhost>
	<0e9d91604051722FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <87ofig66dr.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

>>>>> "Jon" == Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> writes:

    Jon> Take a look at the code.  It's very easy to read and edit.

Not only that, but remarkably often the obvious change is the correct
one.  So-o-o-o-o cool!


-- 
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences     http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
              Don't ask how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.



From fred at bytesforall.org  Sat Feb 23 19:06:18 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:36:18 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some suggestions... and queries
In-Reply-To: <E16eS5X-00025H-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202232324350.688-100000@localhost.localdomain>

I am a new Mailman user from India, and would like to thank all our
friends out there who have done a great job in putting this excellent
software together.

Just to give a little background about myself: I've been involved with
mailing lists since from about 1995-96. Because of our slow Internet
connectivity, the fact that we could share and tune into so much
information was a real boon for us living in Third World countries like
India.

In the past, it was largely Majordomo. Because it was free, that was the
only thing we could afford (what with the crazy dollar-rupee exchange
rate, and also that proprietorial software is usually priced keeping First
World earning-levels in mind.

In the last couple of years, I have been working increasingly on
GNU/Linux. When someone recently suggested Mailman, I got a chance to test
it out as a list-admin, and immediately fell in love with it too.

Some of its facilities are very helpful. Particularly:
* Archiving of postings
* Ease of removing/subscribers via the Net interface
* Bounce-control features etc etc

Members requiring a password to unsubscribe is one major problem. But I
understand this is being worked on.

If one had a wishlist for new features, it might include:
* The ability to subscribe/unsubscribe members (and also approve
  postings) via email.Imagine the plight of those of us still dependent
  on slow Internet connections (I live in a village and travel 8 kms
  when I need the Net for work beyond e-mail.)
* Ability to put up photographs, files on the list-archive...
  as permitted by yahoogroups.com
* Ability to download Yahoogroups archives and convert to
  mbox format, as possible using yahoo2mbox
  URL: http://freshmeat.net/projects/yahoo2mbox/

Is this a realistic wish list? Do let me have your feedback.
FN
--
Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa * India 832.409490 / 409783
BYTESFORALL www.bytesforall.org  * GNU-LINUX http://linuxinindia.pitas.com
Email fred at bytesforall.org * SMS 9822122436 at attcell.net * Saligao Goa India
Writing with a difference... on what makes *the* difference






From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Sat Feb 23 22:24:50 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:24:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading members?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020223152312.00ab57e0@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>

Hi

Is it possible to download my membership into my computer so that I can 
search for members instead of having to go on site for it?  Reason I ask is 
that sometime people don't necessarily know their email address when they 
complain to you...but by reading headers you can usually find the 
address...I find it much easier to search off-line than on the site!

TIA

Paul




From morgan at hahaha.org  Sat Feb 23 23:09:57 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:09:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading members?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020223152312.00ab57e0@mail.paulsfunhouse.com> (Paul
 Croft's message of "Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:24:50 -0600")
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020223152312.00ab57e0@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <87u1s7rgsq.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Paul Croft <paul at paulsfunhouse.com> writes:
> Is it possible to download my membership into my computer so that I can
> search for members instead of having to go on site for it?  Reason I ask is
> that sometime people don't necessarily know their email address when they
> complain to you...but by reading headers you can usually find the
> address...I find it much easier to search off-line than on the site!

If you have shell access to the machine, do something like this:

  ~mailman/bin/list_members listname > /tmp/listname

Then you can scp or ftp /tmp/listname to your machine and do whatchalike.

Morgan





From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Sun Feb 24 00:06:49 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:06:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some suggestions... and queries
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202232324350.688-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202231502030.17718-100000@localhost>

On Feb 23, 2002 at 23:36, Frederick Noronha wrote:

>Members requiring a password to unsubscribe is one major problem. But I
>understand this is being worked on.

Yeah, it should be available in 2.1. In the meantime, you can use my
Perlish scripts from
http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
Murphy was an optimist.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Feb 24 00:26:28 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:26:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading members?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020223152312.00ab57e0@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020223152312.00ab57e0@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <00d311826231722FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

~mailman/bin/list_members 

On Saturday 23 February 2002 04:24 pm, Paul Croft wrote:
> Hi
>
> Is it possible to download my membership into my computer so that I can
> search for members instead of having to go on site for it?  Reason I ask is
> that sometime people don't necessarily know their email address when they
> complain to you...but by reading headers you can usually find the
> address...I find it much easier to search off-line than on the site!
>
> TIA
>
> Paul
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From mmendelson at intowndenver.com  Sun Feb 24 02:22:44 2002
From: mmendelson at intowndenver.com (Michael Mendelson)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:22:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounced e-mail/Mystery User
Message-ID: <JPEGLOMDIBDBFHDCAEBJEEFFCIAA.mmendelson@intowndenver.com>

I've been testing Mailman at my site, and so far I LOVE it.  However, I'm
working on one or possibly two problems.

First, the "MYSTERY USER"
One user has signed up but does not receive his confirmation notice.  I can
send e-mails to him directly at the same address.  I have tried this both on
the list's "General page" and from the admin console.

Second (possibly related) "NOT RECEIVING BOUNCED E-MAIL"
As a list administrator I never receive bounced e-mails, even when I sign up
a garbage address.  I have toyed with the Bounce Options, especially "Try to
figure out error messages automatically?", with the same result.  Entries
appear in the Bounced log, but I don't get the detail I need to figure out
my first problem.

All other features work great.  I need to sort out this problem(s) before
really using the product.

My mail server is qmail.

Thanks, all!


Michael Mendelson
In Town Consulting, LLC
303-715-4487




From rogerhc at pacbell.net  Sun Feb 24 08:51:19 2002
From: rogerhc at pacbell.net (Roger Chrisman)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:51:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail + Py v1.5.2 == OK?
Message-ID: <p05101428b89e061213a8@[66.122.214.51]>

Hi.

Could someone tell me, will Mailman work OK (reliably) with Sendmail 
and Python v1.5.2?

My virtual Web host only has Sendmail, and Python v1.5.2. I do not 
get root access so getting Postfix, Exim, or Qmail probably means 
getting another Web host. (any suggestions?) I could put Python v2 
into my site's cgi-bin I think, but might, particularly if v1.5.2 
would work just as well.

Thank you for any advice. I am new to this (have been hosting my 
lists on Yahoogroups, but that is getting old and I would love to 
keep improving as I learn).

Roger :-)
teflchina.com
Teaching English as a Foreign Language in China



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Sun Feb 24 14:05:57 2002
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:05:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing question-or-comments-addr at listinfo+admin
Message-ID: <20020224130557.GA8491@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

How can I change the 'send question or comments to'-Addr on the main-
listinfo and admin-page? The domain isn't right. I've set
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, but this mail-addr is still another hostname.

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
On the 8th day, god created Linux.



From jaharrod at cox.net  Sun Feb 24 01:18:02 2002
From: jaharrod at cox.net (James A. Harrod)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:18:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Problems
Message-ID: <p05010407b89dde2a4f1c@[68.5.48.227]>

Hello Group-

I am a new administrator for a Mailman list which has been set up at 
the University of California, Irvine, to run a jazz discussion list. 
The original list ran using ezmlm software, but the server was hacked 
severely in January.  Attempts to get ezmlm running again were 
unsuccessful and the programmer responsible for setting us up chose 
to go with Mailman -- which I find to be an excellent alternative, 
much more user friendly with great features like the web interface 
and automatic archiving of messages.

Some of our members who are subscribed in the digest mode are having problems.

Here is a sample complaint:

"Is anyone else experiencing the inconvenience of having to download the jwc
digest and then having to unzip the mime coded attachment to be downloaded? 
One winds up with a series individual files, each of which has to be opened
to read the individual message.  I think possibly this may happening only to
AOL users.  It started after we came back to the UCI system a few days ago."

and another non aol user:

"I subscribed to the digest, but rather than getting a packet of 
messages, I get a bundle of attachments. If I want to read the 
messages, I have to open the attachments one by one, hardly the 
convenience a digest should produce. What am I doing wrong?"

I double checked and the digest preference is set to "plain text", 
and not mime.

I have also noticed that the same message received as an individual 
post appears in the digest mode with lots of html type code 
cluttering the message.  Does this stem from the individual sending 
the message and how they have their email software configured?

Regards-

Jim Harrod
Jazz West Coast List Moderator
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From mmendelson at obee.intown.biz  Sun Feb 24 02:13:34 2002
From: mmendelson at obee.intown.biz (Michael Mendelson)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not receiving bounced e-mail
Message-ID: <JPEGLOMDIBDBFHDCAEBJGEFECIAA.mmendelson@obee.intown.biz>

I've been testing at my site, and so far I LOVE it.  However, I'm working on
one or possibly two problems.

First, the "MYSTERY USER"
One user has signed up but does not receive his confirmation notice.  I can
send e-mails to him directly at the same address.  I have tried this both on
the list's "General page" and from the admin console.

Second (possibly related) "NOT RECEIVING BOUNCED E-MAIL"
As a list administrator I never receive bounced e-mails, even when I sign up
a garbage address.  I have toyed with the Bounce Options, especially "Try to
figure out error messages automatically?", with the same result.  Entries
appear in the Bounced log, but I don't get the detail I need to figure out
my first problem.

All other features work great.  I need to sort out this problem(s) before
really using the product.

My mail server is qmail.

Thanks, all!




From romereak at earthlink.net  Sun Feb 24 03:04:04 2002
From: romereak at earthlink.net (Rory Romero/Sydney Eaker)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:04:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search
Message-ID: <3C784A14.68FC9A3E@earthlink.net>

I'm having a lot of trouble performing searches in the archives. I've
tried everything I know but it always returns with "no items found."
I've even entered items that I know for a fact are there; yet, it still
returns with "no items found". what am I doing wrong?

Rory




From jessica at anticlockwise.com  Mon Feb 25 07:41:31 2002
From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:41:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing qfiles .db files - messages don't get sent
Message-ID: <20020225064136.0151D9B@lenin.anticlockwise.com>

I'm running mailman 2.0.8 on OpenBSD 2.9, with Python 2.0.

I noticed that my qrunner log file was getting big - it was
full of errors like this:

Feb 24 21:08:37 2002 (26363) Exception reading qfile: /local/mailman/qfiles/bdc2a3863d4738f59ad367ba32b011997f9db914
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/local/mailman/qfiles/bdc2a3863d4738f59ad367ba32b011997f9db914.db'

Indeed, there is no .db file, but there *is* a .msg file.

mailman at mail2:~/qfiles>ls -l bdc2a3863d4738f59ad367ba32b011997f9db914.msg 
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman  214866 Feb 23 11:53 bdc2a3863d4738f59ad367ba32b011997f9db914.msg

And there is, in the qrunner log earlier in time, a message to this
effect:

Feb 23 11:53:02 2002 (21034) Unlinking orphaned .db file: /local/mailman/qfiles/bdc2a3863d4738f59ad367ba32b011997f9db914.db

I've now got about 25 of these .msg files with no .db files.

In each case, the message contained in .msg has NOT been sent to
the list! Yikes. We've missed some important messages, it looks like.

But at least I've still got these .msg files. The questions I have
are:

1) is there any way to recreate the .db files, or in any other manner, 
get these messages sent out? 

2) does anyone know why this might be happening, and what I can
do to prevent it?

I'm wondering if perhaps whatever's writing the .db and .msg files
is writing the .db first, and then the .msg, and qrunner is occasionally
catching that a .db exists with out a .msg, removing the .db, then
the .msg gets written out, getting left all alone without its .db.

It does look like Message.py writes the .db first, then the .msg,
so maybe this is indeed what's happening? I'm not entirely sure if
Message.py is the only place these files are written, nor am I sure
how/when/where the stuff in Message.py is called/used. I'm hoping
someone already knows what's going on here - or is more familiar
with the code and can give me a hand.

I'm tempted to change Message.py to write the .msg first.

But even if I've correctly identified the source of the problem
and I make this change and this prevents the problem from recurring
in the future - I've still got a whole bunch of messages in .msg
files that need to go out.

--jessica



From jessica at anticlockwise.com  Mon Feb 25 08:44:23 2002
From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:44:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing qfiles .db files - messages don't get sent 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jessica Koeppel <jessica@anticlockwise.com> 
   of "Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:41:31 PST." <20020225064136.0151D9B@lenin.anticlockwise.com> 
Message-ID: <20020225074428.6F01A9B@lenin.anticlockwise.com>

>1) is there any way to recreate the .db files, or in any other manner, 
>get these messages sent out? 

I figured out that I could cat the stranded .msg file through
"mail/wrapper post <listname>". 

where listname was the appropriate list for the file in question.  I
moved all these stranded .msg files to a temporary dir to get them out
of the way, then used this method to re-send them.  All my previously
stranded messages are sent out now.

>2) does anyone know why this might be happening, and what I can
>do to prevent it?

>I'm tempted to change Message.py to write the .msg first.

I went ahead and did this, as it seemed incredibly harmless
to do. The change is precisely, in Message.py:

Was: 

        # Write the data file
        dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')
        marshal.dump(msgdata, dbfp)
        dbfp.close()
        # If it doesn't already exist, or if the text of the message has
        # changed, write the message file to disk.
        if not existsp or dirty:
            msgfp = Utils.open_ex(msgfile, 'w')
            msgfp.write(text)
            msgfp.close()

Is now:

        # If it doesn't already exist, or if the text of the message has
        # changed, write the message file to disk.
        if not existsp or dirty:
            msgfp = Utils.open_ex(msgfile, 'w')
            msgfp.write(text)
            msgfp.close()
        # Write the data file
        dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')
        marshal.dump(msgdata, dbfp)
        dbfp.close()

After making this change and re-"post"ing each of the previously
stuck .msg files, qrunner behaved unexpectedly. Each time it ran,
on the minute via cron, it would send *one* file from qfiles.
Just one, and exit. The next run at the next minute would send another
message. Eventually, after enough minutes, the queue was empty.

I noticed an entry like this in the log for each file:

Feb 24 23:34:14 2002 (11588) Unlinking orphaned .db file: /local/mailman/qfiles/ba7b4c0187245ffa075d0b6478c8e9427aace895.db
Feb 24 23:40:04 2002 (14974) Unlinking orphaned .db file: /local/mailman/qfiles/a5c144d54936ee94281b619a1e5b09ad273049d4.db

Odd. Maybe each run would send one file and remove the .msg file
but then for some reason exit. Then on the next run the .db file
would be removed because it was orphaned?

No, I just sent a test message. in the "post" log:

Feb 24 23:40:03 2002 (14974) post to testlist2 from mailman at there.com, size=145, success

In the qrunner log:

Feb 24 23:40:04 2002 (14974) Unlinking orphaned .db file: /local/mailman/qfiles/a5c144d54936ee94281b619a1e5b09ad273049d4.db

So that had to be the same qrunner run, at 23:40.

Hrm, this doesn't seem right, does it? mailman shouldn't be having
to clean up an orphaned .db file every time it sends a message.

But the *only* thing I changed is Message.py, and I don't see how
my change could have caused this.

Hoping for help from someone more familiar with the code...

thanks,
--jessica




From kirez at cornell.edu  Mon Feb 25 08:33:06 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:33:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list: can only view 6-7K of message!
Message-ID: <002f01c1bdce$ab3f75a0$6401a8c0@asics>

(I mistakenly sent this email to Christopher Kolar first...)

My list managers are asking me why they can only see 6-7 K of a message
through the mailman web interface. They need to be able to see the whole
message to decide whether to approve it or not (moderated lists).

Right now they're forwarding the messages to themselves, reading the whole
thing, then going back to the MailMan web interface to approve/discard. This
is extremely frustrating for them.

Can we change this? Is there a solution to this problem? I read the
manager's documentation... it says, in "Other Administrative Activities":

"2.  When you operate a moderated list, you will use this feature to accept
or reject postings following the same guidelines as for non-members postings
above."

...so that's completely unhelpful...

thanks,

Kirez Korgan, owner, wetheliving.com





From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Mon Feb 25 11:03:17 2002
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:03:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Defaults still not working
Message-ID: <20020225110312.C10114@belnet.be>

Hello,

Sometime ago I already posted this problem. I got some suggestions but
no luck resolving the problem.

Apparantly when I add vars to the mm_cfg.py file in the directory
$PREFIX/Mailman these don't get into the Defautls.py file.
Vars like IMAGE_LOGOS, DEFAULT_URL, DEFAULT_HOSTNAME, MAILMAN_OWNER.

Now even worse. I changed some vars in the Defaults.py file -I know this
is not the way it should be done-  For example I changed the IMAGE_LOGOS
and apparantly it gets in the Defaults.pyc file oke. I checked this with
the 'strings' command. However when I reload the page still no images. I
even restarted the webserver (BTW, is this necessary). I even removed
the Defaults.pyc file and when reloading the page I noticed the
Defaults.pyc was regenerated. 

What is going on here. This one is driving me crazy. So any help would
be greatly appreciated.

info:
SunOS vivaldi 5.8 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-250
Mailman 2.0.8
Python 2.2

-Jeroen-

-- 
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
http://www.belnet.be



From jeroen.valcke at belnet.be  Mon Feb 25 11:47:16 2002
From: jeroen.valcke at belnet.be (Jeroen Valcke)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:47:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail + Py v1.5.2 == OK?
In-Reply-To: <p05101428b89e061213a8@[66.122.214.51]>; from rogerhc@pacbell.net on Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 11:51:19PM -0800
References: <p05101428b89e061213a8@[66.122.214.51]>
Message-ID: <20020225114714.F10114@belnet.be>

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 11:51:19PM -0800, Roger Chrisman wrote:
> Could someone tell me, will Mailman work OK (reliably) with Sendmail 
> and Python v1.5.2?
> 
> My virtual Web host only has Sendmail, and Python v1.5.2. I do not 
> get root access so getting Postfix, Exim, or Qmail probably means 
> getting another Web host. 

To install Mailman you will need root access. Since you need to create a
user, group and directory for Mailman.

-- 
jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
http://www.belnet.be



From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Sun Feb 24 12:55:58 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:55:58 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with SOLARIS and IPLANET
Message-ID: <001101c1bd2a$3968f360$3900a8c0@PS3>

Hi there,
 
  Is anyone using Mailman with Solaris and Iplanet/Netscape Messaging?
  Do you know where I can get some help with that configuration?
  I`ve compiled OK. Did configure Iplanet to forward list addresses to
the Mailman script! No error is given on the logs . but when I send an
email to one list .. the subscribers never receive it!
 
Any help will be appreciated!
 
      Sergio Sousa
 

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From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Sun Feb 24 13:00:11 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:00:11 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001a01c1bd2a$cfdda4d0$3900a8c0@PS3>

Hi there,

  Is anyone using Mailman with Solaris and Iplanet/Netscape Messaging?
  Do you know where I can get some help with that configuration?
  I`ve compiled OK. Did configure Iplanet to forward list addresses to
the Mailman script! No error is given on the logs . but when I send an
email to one list .. the subscribers never receive it!

Any help will be appreciated!

      Sergio Sousa



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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 15:19:03 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Defaults still not working
References: <20020225110312.C10114@belnet.be>
Message-ID: <010001c1be07$610153d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Create a new list and see if the changes take hold in that one.

Some of the values in the mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py files are stored locally
in a list once the list is created.  These values cannot be over-ridden by
changing the values again in mm_cfg.py.  To change them, you'll have to muck
about with the config of each specific list.

BTW: if you want to change the logos, you can simply copy your logos over
the current ones, but you know that already...

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeroen Valcke" <jeroen.valcke at belnet.be>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:03 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Defaults still not working


> Hello,
>
> Sometime ago I already posted this problem. I got some suggestions but
> no luck resolving the problem.
>
> Apparantly when I add vars to the mm_cfg.py file in the directory
> $PREFIX/Mailman these don't get into the Defautls.py file.
> Vars like IMAGE_LOGOS, DEFAULT_URL, DEFAULT_HOSTNAME, MAILMAN_OWNER.
>
> Now even worse. I changed some vars in the Defaults.py file -I know this
> is not the way it should be done-  For example I changed the IMAGE_LOGOS
> and apparantly it gets in the Defaults.pyc file oke. I checked this with
> the 'strings' command. However when I reload the page still no images. I
> even restarted the webserver (BTW, is this necessary). I even removed
> the Defaults.pyc file and when reloading the page I noticed the
> Defaults.pyc was regenerated.
>
> What is going on here. This one is driving me crazy. So any help would
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> info:
> SunOS vivaldi 5.8 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-250
> Mailman 2.0.8
> Python 2.2
>
> -Jeroen-
>
> --
> jeroen.valcke at belnet.be
> http://www.belnet.be
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 15:27:51 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:27:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list: can only view 6-7K of message!
References: <002f01c1bdce$ab3f75a0$6401a8c0@asics>
Message-ID: <010801c1be08$9b3d5bb0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The amount of the message that is copied for preview is set in:
  ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py  (or Defaults.py):

===
# how many bytes of a held message post should be displayed in the admindb
web
# page?  Use a negative number to indicate the entire message, regardless of
# size (though this will slow down rendering those pages).
ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT = 4096
===

Be sure to add these lines to the file mm_cfg.py and then edit as
appropriate.

NOTE:  the admin does not display the actual email message but a *copy* of
the email message.  This distinction is important, because even though you
may edit the copy of the message displayed in the Admin window, the actual
message remains unchanged...  Some folks are confused by this.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:33 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list: can only view 6-7K of message!


> (I mistakenly sent this email to Christopher Kolar first...)
>
> My list managers are asking me why they can only see 6-7 K of a message
> through the mailman web interface. They need to be able to see the whole
> message to decide whether to approve it or not (moderated lists).
>
> Right now they're forwarding the messages to themselves, reading the whole
> thing, then going back to the MailMan web interface to approve/discard.
This
> is extremely frustrating for them.
>
> Can we change this? Is there a solution to this problem? I read the
> manager's documentation... it says, in "Other Administrative Activities":
>
> "2.  When you operate a moderated list, you will use this feature to
accept
> or reject postings following the same guidelines as for non-members
postings
> above."
>
> ...so that's completely unhelpful...
>
> thanks,
>
> Kirez Korgan, owner, wetheliving.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From hillson at iastate.edu  Mon Feb 25 16:05:02 2002
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:05:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.8 problems
In-Reply-To: <87pu2xvzj9.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
References: <p05101008b89c22cfb1c0@[129.186.242.1]>
 <87pu2xvzj9.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <p05101402b8a002c35f53@[129.186.242.1]>

These lists vary from 10 users to 150 and there are not dead 
addresses as they have been running for over 6 months clean, then the 
problem crops up where the qrunner justs starts messing up. I have 
over 100 lists on my servers and only about six that are causing 
problems.

At 3:59 PM -0800 2/22/02, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
>Thomas Hillson <hillson at iastate.edu> writes:
>>  The first involves qrunner, what happens is that a list gets locked and no
>>  mail will go through it.
>
>Tom, when I first moved my 1800-member list to mailman, it had upwards of
>200 dead addresses. Those 200 dead addresses caused a lot of bounces, and
>for some reason the bounces seemed to reach critical mass, wedging the CPU
>and causing qrunner to abend. Qrunner was in cron, subsequent qrunner
>attempts started stacking up in the locks directory. First thing I did was
>to comment the qrunner cron job.
>
>I sent email to all 1800 addresses with a script: "I am getting ready to
>change the list, here's the status." (et cetera) I got back about 250
>bounces, and I removed those addresses with bin/remove_members. Then I
>carefully deleted all the bounces from the qfiles directory, one *.msg/*.db
>pair at a time. I made sure no qrunner or other mailman processes were
>running, cleaned out all the locks and ran qrunner. It's been humming along
>at one-minute intervals since with no problems. List is ~1620 addresses,
>about 100 messages a day, none larger than 30kb.
>
>Morgan
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


-- 

--Tom
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson                 Computer Services Manager
| hillson at iastate.edu         College of Agriculture
| http://www.ag.iastate.edu   Iowa State University
| (515) 294-1543 phone        B2 Curtiss Hall
| (515) 294-1349 fax          Ames, IA   50011
>---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"



From waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov  Mon Feb 25 16:38:02 2002
From: waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov (Alan L. Waller)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:38:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.8 problems
In-Reply-To: <p05101402b8a002c35f53@[129.186.242.1]>
References: <87pu2xvzj9.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
 <p05101008b89c22cfb1c0@[129.186.242.1]>
 <87pu2xvzj9.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020225102133.00aaeb10@osb.wff.nasa.gov>

At 09:05 AM 2/25/2002 -0600, Thomas Hillson wrote:
>These lists vary from 10 users to 150 and there are not dead addresses as 
>they have been running for over 6 months clean, then the problem crops up 
>where the qrunner justs starts messing up. I have over 100 lists on my 
>servers and only about six that are causing problems.
>
>At 3:59 PM -0800 2/22/02, Morgan Fletcher wrote:
>>Thomas Hillson <hillson at iastate.edu> writes:
>>>  The first involves qrunner, what happens is that a list gets locked and no
>>>  mail will go through it.


I have about 600 lists with about 400,000 subscribers. I fought this same 
problem for a while until I started bumping the lock timer values in 
/var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py

I appeared to me that qrunner would time out before all the messages were 
delivered, however the queue is not as you expect in that the oldest should 
get sent first. Does not happen this way it looks to me that the new stuff 
was being sent and then another qrunner timeout and the old messages just 
got pushed further and further down. I had multiple qrunner sessions, 
multiple lock files, and eventually the software would just seem to 
hibernate deleted the contents of /var/mailman/locks and then it would run 
for another 12-24 hours.

This is what is working for me.... BTW my server is now steadily delivering 
14 e-mails per second average 24/7


# This variable specifies how long the lock will be retained for a specific
# operation on a mailing list.  Watch your logs/lock file and if you see a lot
# of lock breakages, you might need to bump this up.  However if you set this
# too high, a faulty script (or incorrect use of bin/withlist) can prevent the
# list from being used until the lifetime expires.  This is probably one of
# the most crucial tuning variables in the system.
LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(15)


# This variable specifies how long an attempt will be made to acquire a list
# lock by the qrunner process.  If the lock acquisition times out, the message
# will be re-queued for later delivery.
LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT = seconds(15)


# cron/qrunner lock lifetime.  This is probably the second most crucial tuning
# variable in the system.  See the notes for LIST_LOCK_LIFETIME above.  Watch
# your logs/smtp file and make sure that QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME is set longer
# than the longest period you see here.  It is a bad thing if multiple
# qrunners run at the same time.
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(48)


# Two other qrunner resource management variables.  The first controls the
# maximum lifetime of any single qrunner process, and the second controls the
# maximum number of messages a single qrunner process will, er, process.
# Exceeding either limit causes qrunner to exit, reclaiming system resources
# and deleting the lock.  Other qrunners will then process the remaining
# messages.  Set either to None to inhibit this resource check.
QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = hours(4)
QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 150000

YMMV,

Al





From jomccall at informaxinc.com  Mon Feb 25 17:02:03 2002
From: jomccall at informaxinc.com (Joseph McCall)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:02:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeat messages
Message-ID: <002901c1be15$c4daf880$10144c0a@intranet>

Although I know the answer will be "check your MTA" I thought I'd throw this
one out to the list anyway.

RH 7.1 + Postfix (chroot'd) + Mailman 2.0.8

Sending out a newsletter to ~12000 subscribers. One group of addresses, all
at the same domain, received multiple copies of the email (~20 each). Every
entry in maillog is identical except for the timestamp and shows status=sent
(250 Ok). IP's and names replaced to protected the harassed.

Feb 24 23:31:03 lists postfix/smtp[13929]: 049AA27294:
to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
status=sent (250 Ok)
Feb 24 23:32:04 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: C9FC2272AC:
to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
status=sent (250 Ok)
Feb 24 23:33:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: C1A7B272AC:
to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
status=sent (250 Ok)
Feb 24 23:34:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: 8F5C1272AC:
to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
status=sent (250 Ok)
Feb 24 23:35:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: 35766272AC:
to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
status=sent (250 Ok)
Feb 24 23:36:03 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: EFED6272AC:
to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
status=sent (250 Ok)

It's doing this retry every minute, per qrunner cron job I suppose.

Users are only subscribed once, strings on config.db show the users have
three entries each (which everyone appears to have).

In Postfix I've altered the queue lifetime and set the minimal retry time to
10 hours to limit repeated sends.

To top it all off, after shutting down Postfix and clearing the queues, the
repeats started again once Postfix was back up. Shutdown, cleared
everything, rebooted the server, back up, same problem. Two addresses at the
same domain continue to get hammered. Recursive grep'ing on mailman
directory shows only the config.db and config.db.last file have entries for
the user's names.

Any ideas? What else can I check?

Joe McCall
UNIX Administrator
Informax, Inc.
http://www.informaxinc.com






From alex at laplaza.org  Mon Feb 25 17:02:28 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:02:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.8 with python 1.5.1
Message-ID: <113DCB2D-2A09-11D6-8882-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>

Is any one successfully  using mailman 2.0.8 with python 1.5.1?


I haven't been able to upgrade to python 2.1.1 or 2.2 and now I 
considering going back to 1.5.1.


......:::  Alex Chavez  :  System Admin :::......
La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org
:   Taos.  New Mexico   :   505.758.1836    :
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From webmaster at carpemail.com  Mon Feb 25 17:27:56 2002
From: webmaster at carpemail.com (webmaster)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:27:56 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] webmail issues
Message-ID: <T594a8931d8ac1785b31b0@pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk>

Hello, i am starting a webmail service, we are using  webumake mail 
to serve this service. 

My service is aimed at a niche market in which yahoo groups are 
popular, but webumake mail does not work with yahoo groups, but 
webumake support claim it will work will Mailman.

I have setup a test list and tried this, although i have been able to 
register and receive the confirmation email, it fails to register new 
user and account cannot receive email from list.


The list does work as i have signed up with normal pop account, 
webumake give the following reasons why it will not work:

------------------------
The problem is that email received into the catchall account must 
have the intended recipient somewhere in the email header for 
WebUMake Mail (and any such web-based email product, for that matter) 
to determine who the email is intended for. Unfortunately, some 
mailing list software persists in defying RFC's and doesn't 
provide the recipient information in the standard headers. We have 
developed a method to check the last Received: header element and 
check it for the "for" text that on most SMTP servers contains the 
recipient (though this isn't where it should appear, it should 
_always_ be in the To: or Cc: fields according to RFC's).

If your mail is not being received into WebUMake then the last 
Received: header record is not being formatted with a "for" statement 
for the intended recipient by your SMTP server either and so the 
product has no way of knowing who the email is for.

If you can configure mailman to send the emails and include the 
recipient in the To: field, or configure your SMTP server to 
specifying the "for" element of the Received: header record then 
WebUMake Mail will pick it up.
------------------------

Is there any particular setting i have to change?


many thanks 
-- 
webmaster, webmaster at carpemail.com on 25/02/2002




From bh at udev.org  Mon Feb 25 17:42:22 2002
From: bh at udev.org (Henrion Benjamin)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:42:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix, mailman and virtual
Message-ID: <20020225174222.B7822@localhost>

Hello,

I must set up different ml with postfix/virtual. Which syntax must I use
to do this? (what's your experience with that?)

Thanks

BNJ



From roger at faccat.br  Mon Feb 25 18:40:38 2002
From: roger at faccat.br (Roger Wagner)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:40:38 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery exception on Mailman
Message-ID: <1014658838.3c7a7716ccdae@correio.faccat.br>

Hi

I need a help for anybody because have this problem :

Error Log showed this: 

    Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected
    Traceback (innermost last):
      File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 177, in process
      File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 218,in 
hold_for_approval
      File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 144, in HoldMessage
      File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
    EOFError: EOF read where object expected



      I'm running Mailman 2.0.8, released on Nov 27 2001.

                           Thanks, Roger Wagner


-------------------------------------------------
This mail sent through IMP: correio.faccat.br



From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 18:30:39 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] webmail issues
References: <T594a8931d8ac1785b31b0@pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <021701c1be22$24eaaed0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You will need to either move to Mailman v2.1 (in alpha) or use ezmlm.
Webumake requires each message to be sent individually and the header to be
set to the exact individual.  That functionality is an option in version 2.1
of Mailman, and a built-in "feature" of ezmlm.

That's fine but it really removes a great deal of functionality from
Mailman.  Part of Mailman's existing optimizations is that it will send one
email to a mailserver that will go to many individuals on that mailserver.
As an example, if you have 400 people from aol on your list, Mailman will
only send out 8 messages to aol's mailservers and let aol break those
messages out to each individual.  This is much more efficient than sending
400 individual emails.

I'm curious though about the functionality of Webumake.  Is it actually
acting as your MTA?  does it supercede Sendmail or can it work in
conjunction with Sendmail?  If the two can work together, then you should be
able to eat your cake, and have it too.  Sendmail has no problems in sending
out to a general list.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "webmaster" <webmaster at carpemail.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:27 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] webmail issues


> Hello, i am starting a webmail service, we are using  webumake mail
> to serve this service.
>
> My service is aimed at a niche market in which yahoo groups are
> popular, but webumake mail does not work with yahoo groups, but
> webumake support claim it will work will Mailman.
>
> I have setup a test list and tried this, although i have been able to
> register and receive the confirmation email, it fails to register new
> user and account cannot receive email from list.
>
>
> The list does work as i have signed up with normal pop account,
> webumake give the following reasons why it will not work:
>
> ------------------------
> The problem is that email received into the catchall account must
> have the intended recipient somewhere in the email header for
> WebUMake Mail (and any such web-based email product, for that matter)
> to determine who the email is intended for. Unfortunately, some
> mailing list software persists in defying RFC's and doesn't
> provide the recipient information in the standard headers. We have
> developed a method to check the last Received: header element and
> check it for the "for" text that on most SMTP servers contains the
> recipient (though this isn't where it should appear, it should
> _always_ be in the To: or Cc: fields according to RFC's).
>
> If your mail is not being received into WebUMake then the last
> Received: header record is not being formatted with a "for" statement
> for the intended recipient by your SMTP server either and so the
> product has no way of knowing who the email is for.
>
> If you can configure mailman to send the emails and include the
> recipient in the To: field, or configure your SMTP server to
> specifying the "for" element of the Received: header record then
> WebUMake Mail will pick it up.
> ------------------------
>
> Is there any particular setting i have to change?
>
>
> many thanks
> --
> webmaster, webmaster at carpemail.com on 25/02/2002
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 18:31:53 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.8 with python 1.5.1
References: <113DCB2D-2A09-11D6-8882-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <021d01c1be22$50e27b30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

What problems are you having in upgrading to 2.2?  Have you tried to do it
via the tarball?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Chavez" <alex at laplaza.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:02 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.8 with python 1.5.1


> Is any one successfully  using mailman 2.0.8 with python 1.5.1?
>
>
> I haven't been able to upgrade to python 2.1.1 or 2.2 and now I
> considering going back to 1.5.1.
>
>
> ......:::  Alex Chavez  :  System Admin :::......
> La Plaza Telecommunity : www.laplaza.org
> :   Taos.  New Mexico   :   505.758.1836    :
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From cheesefactory at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 25 18:35:56 2002
From: cheesefactory at yahoo.com (Paul Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:35:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting sent (could not acquire qrunner lock, segfault)
Message-ID: <20020225173556.50067.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com>

hi ...

my config: linux, python 1.5.2, mailman 2.0.8, sendmail.

all has been working well for months.

recently, i had a problem where not mail would get send ... the qrunner log
file said "could not acquire qrunner lock." i deleted the lock files and all
was well.

however, this time the problem won't go away. i delete the lock files, rerun
python, but i just see the same error.

here's the tail of an strace:
# strace  /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

stat("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub", 0xbfffdb68) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsubmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.py", O_RDONLY) = 6
fstat(6, {st_mode=S_ISVTX|0270, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.pyc", O_RDONLY) = 7
fstat(7, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|S_ISUID|S_ISGID|0512, st_rdev=makedev(111, 234),
...}) = 0
mmap(0, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) =
0x4001c000
read(7, "\231N\r\n\31Q\2068c\0\0\0\0\2\0\0"..., 4096) = 4096
read(7, "\177\257\0d\1\0o\16\1\1\177\260\0"..., 4096) = 965
close(7)                                = 0
munmap(0x4001c000, 4096)                = 0
close(6)                                = 0
stat("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex", 0xbfffdb68) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regexmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT
(No such file or directory)
open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.py", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.pyc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
close(5)                                = 0
brk(0x2184000)                          = 0x2184000
brk(0x2185000)                          = 0x2185000
brk(0x2186000)                          = 0x2186000
brk(0x2187000)                          = 0x2187000
brk(0x2188000)                          = 0x2188000
brk(0x2189000)                          = 0x2189000
brk(0x218a000)                          = 0x218a000
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

and of course my qrunner log file:
Feb 25 12:27:02 2002 (18950) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 25 12:28:06 2002 (18960) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 25 12:29:04 2002 (18973) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 25 12:30:04 2002 (18977) Could not acquire qrunner lock

permissions are okay:
# ./check_perms 
No problems found

the list is okay:
# ./check_db all
/home/mailman/lists/all/config.db is fine
/home/mailman/lists/all/config.db.last is fine

help, please.

Paul


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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 18:38:51 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:38:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeat messages
References: <002901c1be15$c4daf880$10144c0a@intranet>
Message-ID: <022301c1be23$49cb5640$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Looks like the lock files are not working... is the "sticky" bit set
properly on the directory structure?

It looks like qrunner is kicking off every minute (as it is set to do...)
and that it is processing the message in the queue as though no other
qrunner process is running.  The only reason I can think of for it to do
that, would be the lock file not working.  Ordinarily qrunner would see the
lock file on the list and then ignore those messages.

Ahhhh... Here is a long shot - Look at the message headers and see if the
messages are looping.  Could your list be a member of your list?  That would
have the same effect.  Also, someone on the list forwarding their mail to
the list would cause similar damage - those tricky end users!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph McCall" <jomccall at informaxinc.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:02 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeat messages


> Although I know the answer will be "check your MTA" I thought I'd throw
this
> one out to the list anyway.
>
> RH 7.1 + Postfix (chroot'd) + Mailman 2.0.8
>
> Sending out a newsletter to ~12000 subscribers. One group of addresses,
all
> at the same domain, received multiple copies of the email (~20 each).
Every
> entry in maillog is identical except for the timestamp and shows
status=sent
> (250 Ok). IP's and names replaced to protected the harassed.
>
> Feb 24 23:31:03 lists postfix/smtp[13929]: 049AA27294:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:32:04 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: C9FC2272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:33:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: C1A7B272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:34:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: 8F5C1272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:35:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: 35766272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:36:03 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: EFED6272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
>
> It's doing this retry every minute, per qrunner cron job I suppose.
>
> Users are only subscribed once, strings on config.db show the users have
> three entries each (which everyone appears to have).
>
> In Postfix I've altered the queue lifetime and set the minimal retry time
to
> 10 hours to limit repeated sends.
>
> To top it all off, after shutting down Postfix and clearing the queues,
the
> repeats started again once Postfix was back up. Shutdown, cleared
> everything, rebooted the server, back up, same problem. Two addresses at
the
> same domain continue to get hammered. Recursive grep'ing on mailman
> directory shows only the config.db and config.db.last file have entries
for
> the user's names.
>
> Any ideas? What else can I check?
>
> Joe McCall
> UNIX Administrator
> Informax, Inc.
> http://www.informaxinc.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From paul-l at integration.qc.ca  Mon Feb 25 18:38:07 2002
From: paul-l at integration.qc.ca (Paul-Catalin Oros)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search
In-Reply-To: <3C784A14.68FC9A3E@earthlink.net>
References: <3C784A14.68FC9A3E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20020225173807.GX24148@koala.integration.qc.ca>

As far as I know, there's no search archives functionnality comming with the
default Mailman. This means you did some custom setup to have this. If that's
the case, nobody can help unless you describe what's your setup, what search
engine are you using, etc.

Regards,

		  Paul

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Rory Romero/Sydney Eaker wrote:

> I'm having a lot of trouble performing searches in the archives. I've
> tried everything I know but it always returns with "no items found."
> I've even entered items that I know for a fact are there; yet, it still
> returns with "no items found". what am I doing wrong?
> 
> Rory
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 18:40:37 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:40:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery exception on Mailman
References: <1014658838.3c7a7716ccdae@correio.faccat.br>
Message-ID: <022b01c1be23$89dd9ea0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Looks like the database of the list is corrupt.  There is a tool for
checking the database in ~mailman/bin/...

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Wagner" <roger at faccat.br>
To: "Lista de discuss?es Mailman" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:40 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery exception on Mailman


> Hi
>
> I need a help for anybody because have this problem :
>
> Error Log showed this:
>
>     Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected
>     Traceback (innermost last):
>       File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 177, in
process
>       File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 218,in
> hold_for_approval
>       File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 144, in
HoldMessage
>       File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
>     EOFError: EOF read where object expected
>
>
>
>       I'm running Mailman 2.0.8, released on Nov 27 2001.
>
>                            Thanks, Roger Wagner
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> This mail sent through IMP: correio.faccat.br
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From roger at faccat.br  Mon Feb 25 19:09:06 2002
From: roger at faccat.br (Roger Wagner)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:09:06 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery exception on Mailman
Message-ID: <1014660546.3c7a7dc25c92e@correio.faccat.br>

Hi

      I need help because have this problem:

Error Log showed this:

Feb 22 15:00:09 2002 (5582) Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected
Feb 22 15:00:09 2002 (5582) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in 
  do_pipeline 
  File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 168, in process
  File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/handlers/Hold.py", line 218,in
hold_for_approval
  File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 144, in HoldMessage
  File: "./usrlib/mailman/Mailman/Listadmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
EOFError: EOF read where object expected


      I'm running Mailman 2.0.8, released on Nov 27 2001.

                           Thanks, Roger Wagner

-------------------------------------------------
This mail sent through IMP: correio.faccat.br



From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 19:04:55 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:04:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting sent (could not acquire qrunner lock, segfault)
References: <20020225173556.50067.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <025801c1be26$ee1b0f30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Check the rights on your directory structure and on the Mailman files.
There is a program in ~mailman/bin/... for doing this.  Could you have
modified it so that root owns everything (accidentally)?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Schreiber" <cheesefactory at yahoo.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:35 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting sent (could not acquire qrunner
lock, segfault)


> hi ...
>
> my config: linux, python 1.5.2, mailman 2.0.8, sendmail.
>
> all has been working well for months.
>
> recently, i had a problem where not mail would get send ... the qrunner
log
> file said "could not acquire qrunner lock." i deleted the lock files and
all
> was well.
>
> however, this time the problem won't go away. i delete the lock files,
rerun
> python, but i just see the same error.
>
> here's the tail of an strace:
> # strace  /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
>
> stat("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub", 0xbfffdb68) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
> directory)
> open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file
or
> directory)
> open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsubmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such
> file or directory)
> open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.py", O_RDONLY) = 6
> fstat(6, {st_mode=S_ISVTX|0270, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
> open("/usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.pyc", O_RDONLY) = 7
> fstat(7, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|S_ISUID|S_ISGID|0512, st_rdev=makedev(111, 234),
> ...}) = 0
> mmap(0, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) =
> 0x4001c000
> read(7, "\231N\r\n\31Q\2068c\0\0\0\0\2\0\0"..., 4096) = 4096
> read(7, "\177\257\0d\1\0o\16\1\1\177\260\0"..., 4096) = 965
> close(7)                                = 0
> munmap(0x4001c000, 4096)                = 0
> close(6)                                = 0
> stat("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex", 0xbfffdb68) = -1 ENOENT (No
such
> file or directory)
> open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
> such file or directory)
> open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regexmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1
ENOENT
> (No such file or directory)
> open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.py", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
> such file or directory)
> open("/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/regex.pyc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
> such file or directory)
> close(5)                                = 0
> brk(0x2184000)                          = 0x2184000
> brk(0x2185000)                          = 0x2185000
> brk(0x2186000)                          = 0x2186000
> brk(0x2187000)                          = 0x2187000
> brk(0x2188000)                          = 0x2188000
> brk(0x2189000)                          = 0x2189000
> brk(0x218a000)                          = 0x218a000
> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
>
> and of course my qrunner log file:
> Feb 25 12:27:02 2002 (18950) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Feb 25 12:28:06 2002 (18960) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Feb 25 12:29:04 2002 (18973) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Feb 25 12:30:04 2002 (18977) Could not acquire qrunner lock
>
> permissions are okay:
> # ./check_perms
> No problems found
>
> the list is okay:
> # ./check_db all
> /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db is fine
> /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db.last is fine
>
> help, please.
>
> Paul
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games
> http://sports.yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mmendelson at intowndenver.com  Mon Feb 25 19:06:35 2002
From: mmendelson at intowndenver.com (Michael Mendelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:06:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Bounced e-mail/Mystery User
In-Reply-To: <JPEGLOMDIBDBFHDCAEBJEEFFCIAA.mmendelson@intowndenver.com>
Message-ID: <JPEGLOMDIBDBFHDCAEBJAEGDCIAA.mmendelson@intowndenver.com>

FOUND A SOLUTION.  Thought I'd go ahead and post it for posterity.

The solution to both problems lies in the qmail setup, and communcations
between mailman and Qmail.

What I found (in subsequent testing) is that messages to local addresses
were delivered and others were not.  Further, there was no entry in the
qmail log for them.

By default, Mailman uses a module called "SMTPDirect" (which uses SMTP) to
communicate with the mail server.  For qmail, the Sendmail module needs to
be used.

The reason is that qmail only accepts smtp requests to send mail to local
addresses.  This is why only SOME addresses were working.  This is
configurable within qmail, but would expose your mail server to a security
vulnerability.

Add this to mm_cfg.py:

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

End of this chapter.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Mendelson [mailto:mmendelson at intowndenver.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 6:23 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Bounced e-mail/Mystery User
>
>
>
> I've been testing Mailman at my site, and so far I LOVE it.
> However, I'm working on one or possibly two problems.
>
> First, the "MYSTERY USER"
> One user has signed up but does not receive his confirmation
> notice.  I can send e-mails to him directly at the same address.
> I have tried this both on the list's "General page" and from the
> admin console.
>
> Second (possibly related) "NOT RECEIVING BOUNCED E-MAIL"
> As a list administrator I never receive bounced e-mails, even
> when I sign up a garbage address.  I have toyed with the Bounce
> Options, especially "Try to figure out error messages
> automatically?", with the same result.  Entries appear in the
> Bounced log, but I don't get the detail I need to figure out my
> first problem.
>
> All other features work great.  I need to sort out this
> problem(s) before really using the product.
>
> My mail server is qmail.
>
> Thanks, all!
>




From cheesefactory at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 25 19:08:45 2002
From: cheesefactory at yahoo.com (Paul Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:08:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail not getting sent (could not acquire qrunner lock, segfault)
In-Reply-To: <025801c1be26$ee1b0f30$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020225180845.20415.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> wrote:
> Check the rights on your directory structure and on the Mailman files.
> There is a program in ~mailman/bin/... for doing this.  Could you have
> modified it so that root owns everything (accidentally)?


already tried:

> > permissions are okay:
> > # ./check_perms
> > No problems found
> >
> > the list is okay:
> > # ./check_db all
> > /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db is fine
> > /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db.last is fine


Paul

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games
http://sports.yahoo.com



From kirez at cornell.edu  Mon Feb 25 19:34:31 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:34:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
Message-ID: <006101c1be2b$1180f620$6401a8c0@asics>

It seems that Mailman makes a copy of a message appear in the admindb, for
moderators to process (accept or reject).

My moderators want to EDIT the message, however.

Is it possible to config Mailman so that they can edit the message through
the admindb / viewer?

cheers,
Kirez




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 21:02:14 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
References: <006101c1be2b$1180f620$6401a8c0@asics>
Message-ID: <02f301c1be37$51f3b790$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Yes.  Mailman is open source software and is very easy to modify.  Someone
has already made a patch that does exactly that (allows the admin to
view/edit the copy of the message, and then replaces the original message
with the copy).

The original message is in ~mailman/held/..
Each message is stored in a file of the form: heldmsg-<list_name>-xxxx

If you don't want to hack Mailman, you can let your admins edit the files
directly.  You can link this directory to a common access point and give
your admins rights to it (or you can mount it via samba...).  Then your
admins can easily edit the messages directly.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:34 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb


> It seems that Mailman makes a copy of a message appear in the admindb, for
> moderators to process (accept or reject).
>
> My moderators want to EDIT the message, however.
>
> Is it possible to config Mailman so that they can edit the message through
> the admindb / viewer?
>
> cheers,
> Kirez
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From kirez at cornell.edu  Mon Feb 25 20:21:28 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:21:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
References: <006101c1be2b$1180f620$6401a8c0@asics> <02f301c1be37$51f3b790$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <00d801c1be31$a06345e0$6401a8c0@asics>

How do I find and install, or re-create, this patch that someone else made
to allow the admin to edit the copy of the message and then replace the
original message with the copy?

Kirez


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
To: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb


> Yes.  Mailman is open source software and is very easy to modify.  Someone
> has already made a patch that does exactly that (allows the admin to
> view/edit the copy of the message, and then replaces the original message
> with the copy).
>
> The original message is in ~mailman/held/..
> Each message is stored in a file of the form: heldmsg-<list_name>-xxxx
>
> If you don't want to hack Mailman, you can let your admins edit the files
> directly.  You can link this directory to a common access point and give
> your admins rights to it (or you can mount it via samba...).  Then your
> admins can easily edit the messages directly.
>
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
> To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:34 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
>
>
> > It seems that Mailman makes a copy of a message appear in the admindb,
for
> > moderators to process (accept or reject).
> >
> > My moderators want to EDIT the message, however.
> >
> > Is it possible to config Mailman so that they can edit the message
through
> > the admindb / viewer?
> >
> > cheers,
> > Kirez
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 22:24:50 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:24:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
References: <006101c1be2b$1180f620$6401a8c0@asics> <02f301c1be37$51f3b790$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00d801c1be31$a06345e0$6401a8c0@asics>
Message-ID: <034a01c1be42$dbd62cd0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Google search turned up:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2001-October/009686.html

This was written for Mailman v2.0.6
===
*** Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py.orig Wed Oct 10 13:31:46 2001
--- Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py      Wed Oct 10 18:30:25 2001
***************
*** 270,275 ****
--- 270,277 ----
              continue
          # get the action comment and reasons if present
          commentkey = 'comment-%d' % request_id
+         headerskey = 'headers-%d' % request_id
+         contentskey = 'fulltext-%d' % request_id
          preservekey = 'preserve-%d' % request_id
          forwardkey = 'forward-%d' % request_id
          forwardaddrkey = 'forward-addr-%d' % request_id
***************
*** 278,285 ****
--- 280,293 ----
          preserve = 0
          forward = 0
          forwardaddr = ''
+         headers = ''
+         contents = ''
          if cgidata.has_key(commentkey):
              comment = cgidata[commentkey].value
+         if cgidata.has_key(headerskey):
+             headers = cgidata[headerskey].value
+         if cgidata.has_key(contentskey):
+             contents = cgidata[contentskey].value
          if cgidata.has_key(preservekey):
              preserve = cgidata[preservekey].value
          if cgidata.has_key(forwardkey):
***************
*** 290,296 ****
          # handle the request id
          try:
              mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment,
!                                 preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
          except (KeyError, Errors.LostHeldMessage):
              # that's okay, it just means someone else has already updated
the
              # database, so just ignore this id
--- 298,304 ----
          # handle the request id
          try:
              mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment,
!                                 preserve, forward, forwardaddr, headers,
contents)
          except (KeyError, Errors.LostHeldMessage):
              # that's okay, it just means someone else has already updated
the
              # database, so just ignore this id
*** Mailman/ListAdmin.py.orig   Wed Oct 10 13:31:46 2001
--- Mailman/ListAdmin.py        Wed Oct 10 18:40:27 2001
***************
*** 122,133 ****
          return type

      def HandleRequest(self, id, value, comment=None, preserve=None,
!                       forward=None, addr=None):
          self.__opendb()
          rtype, data = self.__db[id]
          if rtype == HELDMSG:
              status = self.__handlepost(data, value, comment, preserve,
!                                        forward, addr)
          else:
              assert rtype == SUBSCRIPTION
              status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
--- 122,133 ----
          return type

      def HandleRequest(self, id, value, comment=None, preserve=None,
!                       forward=None, addr=None, headers=None,
contents=None):
          self.__opendb()
          rtype, data = self.__db[id]
          if rtype == HELDMSG:
              status = self.__handlepost(data, value, comment, preserve,
!                                        forward, addr, headers, contents)
          else:
              assert rtype == SUBSCRIPTION
              status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
***************
*** 172,178 ****
          data = time.time(), sender, msgsubject, reason, filename, msgdata
          self.__db[id] = (HELDMSG, data)

!     def __handlepost(self, record, value, comment, preserve, forward,
addr):
          # For backwards compatibility with pre 2.0beta3
          if len(record) == 5:
              ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename = record
--- 172,178 ----
          data = time.time(), sender, msgsubject, reason, filename, msgdata
          self.__db[id] = (HELDMSG, data)

!     def __handlepost(self, record, value, comment, preserve, forward,
addr, headers, contents):
          # For backwards compatibility with pre 2.0beta3
          if len(record) == 5:
              ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename = record
***************
*** 181,186 ****
--- 181,202 ----
              # New format of record
              ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename, msgdata = record
          path = os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, filename)
+         # Handle editing
+         if len(headers)+len(contents):
+            fp = open(path)
+            unixfrom = fp.readline()
+            rest = fp.read()
+            # Parse headers and body
+            parts = string.split(rest,'\n\n')
+            if len(headers) == 0:
+                headers = parts[0]
+            if len(contents) == 0:
+                contents = parts[1]
+            fp.close
+            # Now write the changed result
+            fp = open(path,'w')
+            fp.write(unixfrom + headers + '\n\n' + contents)
+            fp.close
          # Handle message preservation
          if preserve:
              parts = string.split(os.path.split(path)[1], '-')



===
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb


> How do I find and install, or re-create, this patch that someone else made
> to allow the admin to edit the copy of the message and then replace the
> original message with the copy?
>
> Kirez
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
> To: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
>
>
> > Yes.  Mailman is open source software and is very easy to modify.
Someone
> > has already made a patch that does exactly that (allows the admin to
> > view/edit the copy of the message, and then replaces the original
message
> > with the copy).
> >
> > The original message is in ~mailman/held/..
> > Each message is stored in a file of the form: heldmsg-<list_name>-xxxx
> >
> > If you don't want to hack Mailman, you can let your admins edit the
files
> > directly.  You can link this directory to a common access point and give
> > your admins rights to it (or you can mount it via samba...).  Then your
> > admins can easily edit the messages directly.
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
> > To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:34 PM
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
> >
> >
> > > It seems that Mailman makes a copy of a message appear in the admindb,
> for
> > > moderators to process (accept or reject).
> > >
> > > My moderators want to EDIT the message, however.
> > >
> > > Is it possible to config Mailman so that they can edit the message
> through
> > > the admindb / viewer?
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > Kirez
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Feb 25 23:05:27 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:05:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.8 HTML Weirdness
Message-ID: <3C7AB527.5C62699E@pcraft.com>

    Okay, I'm not going insane, I don't think.  However, I just found out a
problem with 2.0.8.  After editing the subscription page and adding custom
<body> tags, I went back and tried subscribing myself again (from a different
email), and the html page returned didn't look anything like what I had set.
So I glanced at the source only to find this:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
</HEAD>
<BODY
<BODY bgcolor="#ffffff">
<!-- $Revision: 1.4 $ -->
<html>
<head><title>Test Subscription results</title></head>
<body bgcolor=#dfdfdf text=#3c3c3c>
<h1>Test Subscription results</h1>
    [...snip...]
  </tr>
</table>
</address>
</body>
</html>

</BODY>
</HTML>


    It appears as if MM is adding a header and footer to this, from the
starting <HTML> to that odd <BODY tag (without the closing carret), and then
again at the bottom.

    I'm about to try the 2.0 beta, see if that's any better.

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From ramavtar at cal2.vsnl.net.in  Mon Feb 25 17:02:53 2002
From: ramavtar at cal2.vsnl.net.in (Prakash Singhania)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:32:53 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how many numbers of email id enter in one mailing list
Message-ID: <012e01c1be15$e2bb4940$fe72c5cb@sdf>

Dear Sir,

If I am create one mailing list on our server, then how many email ids enter in one mailing list?

15000 email ids enter in one mailing list, then mailing list is working properly and  how much time taken to send mail to all 15000 email ids.

Thanking you

Prakash Singhania


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From mike.mills at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 25 18:43:54 2002
From: mike.mills at earthlink.net (Mike Mills)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:43:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Question
Message-ID: <002c01c1be24$046df660$67d9b3d1@millshome>

I have an umbrella list that is created from 9 other lists using the
techniques recommended in the FAQ's.  I just realized that when extracting
the members from a list to create the umbrella list that those members who
have the NO MAIL option selected are still included and become members of
the umbrella list.  Bounce management also sets the NO MAIL flag.  Any
suggestions on how to exclude members who have NO MAIL set when building the
Umbrella list?

The script that creates the umbrella list:
#! /bin/sh
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:$HOME/bin:$HOME/usr/bin:$HOME/usr/local/bi
n
export PATH
#lets start with an empty file
echo " " >/tmp/all_list
#now define the lists that comprise the all list
List='list1 list2 list3 list4 list5 list6 list7 list8'
#and now bring them together
for entry in $List
do
 /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members $entry >>/tmp/all_list
done
#now eliminate duplicates
cat /tmp/all_list |sort -u >/tmp/all_all_list
#now update the alllist list
 /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -f /tmp/all_all_list alllist>/dev/null
#and clean up the temp files
rm /tmp/all_list
rm /tmp/all_all_list



Mike Mills
mike.mills at earthlink.net






From guettli at thomas-guettler.de  Mon Feb 25 18:47:59 2002
From: guettli at thomas-guettler.de (Thomas Guettler)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:47:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
Message-ID: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de>

Hi!

Is it possible to get a web-frontend to a mailinglist? 

I think about a forum where you have threaded display of the messages
and can post messages through the web without subscribing.

Would be nice to have a bridge between these two "worlds"

Please CC to me, I am not on the list.

 thomas

-- 
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http://www.thomas-guettler.de




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Feb 25 23:27:28 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:27:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de>
Message-ID: <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com>

Thomas Guettler wrote:

> Is it possible to get a web-frontend to a mailinglist?
>
> I think about a forum where you have threaded display of the messages
> and can post messages through the web without subscribing.

    Mailman-to-news, which is already present in Mailman does essentially that.



> Please CC to me, I am not on the list.

    Why not?  There's a great deal of help here...

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From kirez at cornell.edu  Mon Feb 25 22:30:34 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:30:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
References: <006101c1be2b$1180f620$6401a8c0@asics> <02f301c1be37$51f3b790$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00d801c1be31$a06345e0$6401a8c0@asics> <034a01c1be42$dbd62cd0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <016601c1be43$a9c34ec0$6401a8c0@asics>

This should have been incorporated into v2.0.8... unless there's some danger
or problem with it (so I'm concerned there may be).

I'm not intense enough to manage my lists on forked code, and I want to be
forward-compatible with coming versions of Mailman, so... should I take my
question to mailman-developers?

Kirez


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
To: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb


> Google search turned up:
>
>
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2001-October/009686.html
>
> This was written for Mailman v2.0.6
> ===
> *** Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py.orig Wed Oct 10 13:31:46 2001
> --- Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py      Wed Oct 10 18:30:25 2001
> ***************
> *** 270,275 ****
> --- 270,277 ----
>               continue
>           # get the action comment and reasons if present
>           commentkey = 'comment-%d' % request_id
> +         headerskey = 'headers-%d' % request_id
> +         contentskey = 'fulltext-%d' % request_id
>           preservekey = 'preserve-%d' % request_id
>           forwardkey = 'forward-%d' % request_id
>           forwardaddrkey = 'forward-addr-%d' % request_id
> ***************
> *** 278,285 ****
> --- 280,293 ----
>           preserve = 0
>           forward = 0
>           forwardaddr = ''
> +         headers = ''
> +         contents = ''
>           if cgidata.has_key(commentkey):
>               comment = cgidata[commentkey].value
> +         if cgidata.has_key(headerskey):
> +             headers = cgidata[headerskey].value
> +         if cgidata.has_key(contentskey):
> +             contents = cgidata[contentskey].value
>           if cgidata.has_key(preservekey):
>               preserve = cgidata[preservekey].value
>           if cgidata.has_key(forwardkey):
> ***************
> *** 290,296 ****
>           # handle the request id
>           try:
>               mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment,
> !                                 preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
>           except (KeyError, Errors.LostHeldMessage):
>               # that's okay, it just means someone else has already
updated
> the
>               # database, so just ignore this id
> --- 298,304 ----
>           # handle the request id
>           try:
>               mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment,
> !                                 preserve, forward, forwardaddr, headers,
> contents)
>           except (KeyError, Errors.LostHeldMessage):
>               # that's okay, it just means someone else has already
updated
> the
>               # database, so just ignore this id
> *** Mailman/ListAdmin.py.orig   Wed Oct 10 13:31:46 2001
> --- Mailman/ListAdmin.py        Wed Oct 10 18:40:27 2001
> ***************
> *** 122,133 ****
>           return type
>
>       def HandleRequest(self, id, value, comment=None, preserve=None,
> !                       forward=None, addr=None):
>           self.__opendb()
>           rtype, data = self.__db[id]
>           if rtype == HELDMSG:
>               status = self.__handlepost(data, value, comment, preserve,
> !                                        forward, addr)
>           else:
>               assert rtype == SUBSCRIPTION
>               status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
> --- 122,133 ----
>           return type
>
>       def HandleRequest(self, id, value, comment=None, preserve=None,
> !                       forward=None, addr=None, headers=None,
> contents=None):
>           self.__opendb()
>           rtype, data = self.__db[id]
>           if rtype == HELDMSG:
>               status = self.__handlepost(data, value, comment, preserve,
> !                                        forward, addr, headers, contents)
>           else:
>               assert rtype == SUBSCRIPTION
>               status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
> ***************
> *** 172,178 ****
>           data = time.time(), sender, msgsubject, reason, filename,
msgdata
>           self.__db[id] = (HELDMSG, data)
>
> !     def __handlepost(self, record, value, comment, preserve, forward,
> addr):
>           # For backwards compatibility with pre 2.0beta3
>           if len(record) == 5:
>               ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename = record
> --- 172,178 ----
>           data = time.time(), sender, msgsubject, reason, filename,
msgdata
>           self.__db[id] = (HELDMSG, data)
>
> !     def __handlepost(self, record, value, comment, preserve, forward,
> addr, headers, contents):
>           # For backwards compatibility with pre 2.0beta3
>           if len(record) == 5:
>               ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename = record
> ***************
> *** 181,186 ****
> --- 181,202 ----
>               # New format of record
>               ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename, msgdata = record
>           path = os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, filename)
> +         # Handle editing
> +         if len(headers)+len(contents):
> +            fp = open(path)
> +            unixfrom = fp.readline()
> +            rest = fp.read()
> +            # Parse headers and body
> +            parts = string.split(rest,'\n\n')
> +            if len(headers) == 0:
> +                headers = parts[0]
> +            if len(contents) == 0:
> +                contents = parts[1]
> +            fp.close
> +            # Now write the changed result
> +            fp = open(path,'w')
> +            fp.write(unixfrom + headers + '\n\n' + contents)
> +            fp.close
>           # Handle message preservation
>           if preserve:
>               parts = string.split(os.path.split(path)[1], '-')
>
>
>
> ===
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
> To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
>
>
> > How do I find and install, or re-create, this patch that someone else
made
> > to allow the admin to edit the copy of the message and then replace the
> > original message with the copy?
> >
> > Kirez
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
> > To: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in
admindb
> >
> >
> > > Yes.  Mailman is open source software and is very easy to modify.
> Someone
> > > has already made a patch that does exactly that (allows the admin to
> > > view/edit the copy of the message, and then replaces the original
> message
> > > with the copy).
> > >
> > > The original message is in ~mailman/held/..
> > > Each message is stored in a file of the form: heldmsg-<list_name>-xxxx
> > >
> > > If you don't want to hack Mailman, you can let your admins edit the
> files
> > > directly.  You can link this directory to a common access point and
give
> > > your admins rights to it (or you can mount it via samba...).  Then
your
> > > admins can easily edit the messages directly.
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
> > > To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
> > >
> > >
> > > > It seems that Mailman makes a copy of a message appear in the
admindb,
> > for
> > > > moderators to process (accept or reject).
> > > >
> > > > My moderators want to EDIT the message, however.
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to config Mailman so that they can edit the message
> > through
> > > > the admindb / viewer?
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > Kirez
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Feb 25 23:44:51 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
References: <006101c1be2b$1180f620$6401a8c0@asics> <02f301c1be37$51f3b790$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00d801c1be31$a06345e0$6401a8c0@asics> <034a01c1be42$dbd62cd0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <016601c1be43$a9c34ec0$6401a8c0@asics>
Message-ID: <005b01c1be4e$09965c20$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Either that or do it the way that I do - which is edit the source file in
~mailman/data./...

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb


> This should have been incorporated into v2.0.8... unless there's some
danger
> or problem with it (so I'm concerned there may be).
>
> I'm not intense enough to manage my lists on forked code, and I want to be
> forward-compatible with coming versions of Mailman, so... should I take my
> question to mailman-developers?
>
> Kirez
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
> To: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in admindb
>
>
> > Google search turned up:
> >
> >
>
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2001-October/009686.html
> >
> > This was written for Mailman v2.0.6
> > ===
> > *** Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py.orig Wed Oct 10 13:31:46 2001
> > --- Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py      Wed Oct 10 18:30:25 2001
> > ***************
> > *** 270,275 ****
> > --- 270,277 ----
> >               continue
> >           # get the action comment and reasons if present
> >           commentkey = 'comment-%d' % request_id
> > +         headerskey = 'headers-%d' % request_id
> > +         contentskey = 'fulltext-%d' % request_id
> >           preservekey = 'preserve-%d' % request_id
> >           forwardkey = 'forward-%d' % request_id
> >           forwardaddrkey = 'forward-addr-%d' % request_id
> > ***************
> > *** 278,285 ****
> > --- 280,293 ----
> >           preserve = 0
> >           forward = 0
> >           forwardaddr = ''
> > +         headers = ''
> > +         contents = ''
> >           if cgidata.has_key(commentkey):
> >               comment = cgidata[commentkey].value
> > +         if cgidata.has_key(headerskey):
> > +             headers = cgidata[headerskey].value
> > +         if cgidata.has_key(contentskey):
> > +             contents = cgidata[contentskey].value
> >           if cgidata.has_key(preservekey):
> >               preserve = cgidata[preservekey].value
> >           if cgidata.has_key(forwardkey):
> > ***************
> > *** 290,296 ****
> >           # handle the request id
> >           try:
> >               mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment,
> > !                                 preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
> >           except (KeyError, Errors.LostHeldMessage):
> >               # that's okay, it just means someone else has already
> updated
> > the
> >               # database, so just ignore this id
> > --- 298,304 ----
> >           # handle the request id
> >           try:
> >               mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment,
> > !                                 preserve, forward, forwardaddr,
headers,
> > contents)
> >           except (KeyError, Errors.LostHeldMessage):
> >               # that's okay, it just means someone else has already
> updated
> > the
> >               # database, so just ignore this id
> > *** Mailman/ListAdmin.py.orig   Wed Oct 10 13:31:46 2001
> > --- Mailman/ListAdmin.py        Wed Oct 10 18:40:27 2001
> > ***************
> > *** 122,133 ****
> >           return type
> >
> >       def HandleRequest(self, id, value, comment=None, preserve=None,
> > !                       forward=None, addr=None):
> >           self.__opendb()
> >           rtype, data = self.__db[id]
> >           if rtype == HELDMSG:
> >               status = self.__handlepost(data, value, comment, preserve,
> > !                                        forward, addr)
> >           else:
> >               assert rtype == SUBSCRIPTION
> >               status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
> > --- 122,133 ----
> >           return type
> >
> >       def HandleRequest(self, id, value, comment=None, preserve=None,
> > !                       forward=None, addr=None, headers=None,
> > contents=None):
> >           self.__opendb()
> >           rtype, data = self.__db[id]
> >           if rtype == HELDMSG:
> >               status = self.__handlepost(data, value, comment, preserve,
> > !                                        forward, addr, headers,
contents)
> >           else:
> >               assert rtype == SUBSCRIPTION
> >               status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
> > ***************
> > *** 172,178 ****
> >           data = time.time(), sender, msgsubject, reason, filename,
> msgdata
> >           self.__db[id] = (HELDMSG, data)
> >
> > !     def __handlepost(self, record, value, comment, preserve, forward,
> > addr):
> >           # For backwards compatibility with pre 2.0beta3
> >           if len(record) == 5:
> >               ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename = record
> > --- 172,178 ----
> >           data = time.time(), sender, msgsubject, reason, filename,
> msgdata
> >           self.__db[id] = (HELDMSG, data)
> >
> > !     def __handlepost(self, record, value, comment, preserve, forward,
> > addr, headers, contents):
> >           # For backwards compatibility with pre 2.0beta3
> >           if len(record) == 5:
> >               ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename = record
> > ***************
> > *** 181,186 ****
> > --- 181,202 ----
> >               # New format of record
> >               ptime, sender, subject, reason, filename, msgdata = record
> >           path = os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, filename)
> > +         # Handle editing
> > +         if len(headers)+len(contents):
> > +            fp = open(path)
> > +            unixfrom = fp.readline()
> > +            rest = fp.read()
> > +            # Parse headers and body
> > +            parts = string.split(rest,'\n\n')
> > +            if len(headers) == 0:
> > +                headers = parts[0]
> > +            if len(contents) == 0:
> > +                contents = parts[1]
> > +            fp.close
> > +            # Now write the changed result
> > +            fp = open(path,'w')
> > +            fp.write(unixfrom + headers + '\n\n' + contents)
> > +            fp.close
> >           # Handle message preservation
> >           if preserve:
> >               parts = string.split(os.path.split(path)[1], '-')
> >
> >
> >
> > ===
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
> > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in
admindb
> >
> >
> > > How do I find and install, or re-create, this patch that someone else
> made
> > > to allow the admin to edit the copy of the message and then replace
the
> > > original message with the copy?
> > >
> > > Kirez
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
> > > To: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in
> admindb
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes.  Mailman is open source software and is very easy to modify.
> > Someone
> > > > has already made a patch that does exactly that (allows the admin to
> > > > view/edit the copy of the message, and then replaces the original
> > message
> > > > with the copy).
> > > >
> > > > The original message is in ~mailman/held/..
> > > > Each message is stored in a file of the form:
heldmsg-<list_name>-xxxx
> > > >
> > > > If you don't want to hack Mailman, you can let your admins edit the
> > files
> > > > directly.  You can link this directory to a common access point and
> give
> > > > your admins rights to it (or you can mount it via samba...).  Then
> your
> > > > admins can easily edit the messages directly.
> > > >
> > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
> > > > To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config for moderator to edit posts in
admindb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It seems that Mailman makes a copy of a message appear in the
> admindb,
> > > for
> > > > > moderators to process (accept or reject).
> > > > >
> > > > > My moderators want to EDIT the message, however.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible to config Mailman so that they can edit the message
> > > through
> > > > > the admindb / viewer?
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > Kirez
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From alex at laplaza.org  Tue Feb 26 00:17:14 2002
From: alex at laplaza.org (Alex Chavez)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:17:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem python 2.2 on solaris 7
Message-ID: <CDCBAD0E-2A45-11D6-9362-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>

I'm not able to install Python 2.2 on a solaris 7 os5.7 sparc box. Can 
anyone help? The output and error msg are below:

root at elvis /var $ cd /tmp
root at elvis /tmp $ cd Python-2.2
root at elvis Python-2.2 $ ./configure --with-gcc
loading cache ./config.cache
checking MACHDEP... sunos5
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for --with-cxx=<compiler>... no
checking for c++... (cached) c++
checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) works... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) is a cross-compiler... yes
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for AIX... no
checking for minix/config.h... (cached) no
checking for Cygwin environment... (cached) no
checking for mingw32 environment... (cached) no
checking for executable suffix... (cached) no
checking for --with-suffix...
checking for case-insensitive build directory... no
checking LIBRARY... libpython$(VERSION).a
checking LINKCC... $(PURIFY) $(CC)
checking LDLIBRARY... libpython$(VERSION).a
checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
checking for ar... (cached) ar
checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
checking for --with-pydebug... no
checking whether gcc accepts -OPT:Olimit=0... (cached) no
checking whether gcc accepts -Olimit 1500... (cached) no
checking whether pthreads are available without options... (cached) no
checking whether gcc accepts -Kpthread... (cached) no
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for dlfcn.h... (cached) yes
checking for fcntl.h... (cached) yes
checking for grp.h... (cached) yes
checking for limits.h... (cached) yes
checking for langinfo.h... (cached) yes
checking for locale.h... (cached) yes
checking for ncurses.h... (cached) no
checking for poll.h... (cached) yes
checking for pthread.h... (cached) yes
checking for signal.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdarg.h... (cached) yes
checking for stddef.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for thread.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for utime.h... (cached) yes
checking for termios.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/audioio.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/file.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/lock.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/modem.h... (cached) no
checking for db_185.h... (cached) no
checking for db.h... (cached) no
checking for sys/param.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/poll.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/select.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/socket.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/time.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/times.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/un.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/utsname.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/wait.h... (cached) yes
checking for pty.h... (cached) no
checking for term.h... (cached) yes
checking for libutil.h... (cached) no
checking for ndbm.h... (cached) yes
checking for db1/ndbm.h... (cached) no
checking for gdbm/ndbm.h... (cached) no
checking for sys/resource.h... (cached) yes
checking for netpacket/packet.h... (cached) no
checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... (cached) yes
checking for opendir in -ldir... (cached) no
checking for clock_t in time.h... yes
checking for mode_t... (cached) yes
checking for off_t... (cached) yes
checking for pid_t... (cached) yes
checking return type of signal handlers... (cached) void
checking for size_t... (cached) yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking size of int... (cached) 4
checking size of long... (cached) 4
checking size of void *... (cached) 4
checking size of char... (cached) 1
checking size of short... (cached) 2
checking size of float... (cached) 4
checking size of double... (cached) 8
checking size of fpos_t... (cached) 8
checking for long long support... yes
checking size of long long... (cached) 8
checking for uintptr_t support... no
checking size of off_t... (cached) 8
checking whether to enable large file support... yes
checking size of time_t... (cached) 4
checking for pthread_t... yes
checking size of pthread_t... (cached) 4
checking for --enable-toolbox-glue... no
checking for --enable-framework... no
checking for dyld... no
checking SO... .so
checking LDSHARED... $(CC) -shared
checking CCSHARED... -fPIC
checking LINKFORSHARED...
checking CFLAGSFORSHARED...
checking for dlopen in -ldl... (cached) yes
checking for shl_load in -ldld... (cached) no
checking for t_open in -lnsl... (cached) yes
checking for socket in -lsocket... (cached) yes
checking for --with-libs... no
checking for --with-signal-module... yes
checking for --with-dec-threads... no
checking for --with-threads... yes
checking for _POSIX_THREADS in unistd.h... yes
checking for mach/cthreads.h... (cached) no
checking for --with-pth... no
checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... yes
checking if PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM is supported... (cached) yes
checking for pthread_sigmask... (cached) yes
checking for usconfig in -lmpc... (cached) no
checking for thr_create in -lthread... (cached) yes
checking if --enable-ipv6 is specified... no
checking for --with-cycle-gc... yes
checking for --with-pymalloc... no
checking for --with-wctype-functions... no
checking for --with-sgi-dl... no
checking for --with-dl-dld... no
checking for dlopen... (cached) yes
checking DYNLOADFILE... dynload_shlib.o
checking MACHDEP_OBJS... MACHDEP_OBJS
checking for alarm... (cached) yes
checking for chown... (cached) yes
checking for chroot... (cached) yes
checking for clock... (cached) yes
checking for confstr... (cached) yes
checking for ctermid... (cached) yes
checking for ctermid_r... (cached) yes
checking for execv... (cached) yes
checking for flock... (cached) no
checking for fork... (cached) yes
checking for fsync... (cached) yes
checking for fdatasync... (cached) no
checking for fpathconf... (cached) yes
checking for ftime... (cached) yes
checking for ftruncate... (cached) yes
checking for gai_strerror... (cached) no
checking for getgroups... (cached) yes
checking for getlogin... (cached) yes
checking for getpeername... (cached) yes
checking for getpid... (cached) yes
checking for getpwent... (cached) yes
checking for getwd... (cached) yes
checking for hstrerror... (cached) no
checking for inet_pton... (cached) no
checking for kill... (cached) yes
checking for link... (cached) yes
checking for lstat... (cached) yes
checking for mkfifo... (cached) yes
checking for mktime... (cached) yes
checking for mremap... (cached) no
checking for nice... (cached) yes
checking for pathconf... (cached) yes
checking for pause... (cached) yes
checking for plock... (cached) yes
checking for poll... (cached) yes
checking for pthread_init... (cached) no
checking for putenv... (cached) yes
checking for readlink... (cached) yes
checking for select... (cached) yes
checking for setegid... (cached) yes
checking for seteuid... (cached) yes
checking for setgid... (cached) yes
checking for setgroups... (cached) yes
checking for setlocale... (cached) yes
checking for setregid... (cached) yes
checking for setreuid... (cached) yes
checking for setsid... (cached) yes
checking for setpgid... (cached) yes
checking for setuid... (cached) yes
checking for setvbuf... (cached) yes
checking for snprintf... (cached) yes
checking for sigaction... (cached) yes
checking for siginterrupt... (cached) yes
checking for sigrelse... (cached) yes
checking for strftime... (cached) yes
checking for strptime... (cached) yes
checking for symlink... (cached) yes
checking for sysconf... (cached) yes
checking for tcgetpgrp... (cached) yes
checking for tcsetpgrp... (cached) yes
checking for tempnam... (cached) yes
checking for timegm... (cached) no
checking for times... (cached) yes
checking for tmpfile... (cached) yes
checking for tmpnam... (cached) yes
checking for tmpnam_r... (cached) yes
checking for truncate... (cached) yes
checking for uname... (cached) yes
checking for unsetenv... (cached) no
checking for waitpid... (cached) yes
checking for _getpty... (cached) no
checking for getpriority... (cached) yes
checking for openpty... (cached) no
checking for openpty in -lutil... (cached) no
checking for forkpty... (cached) no
checking for forkpty in -lutil... (cached) no
checking for fseek64... (cached) no
checking for fseeko... (cached) yes
checking for fstatvfs... (cached) yes
checking for ftell64... (cached) no
checking for ftello... (cached) yes
checking for statvfs... (cached) yes
checking for dup2... (cached) yes
checking for getcwd... (cached) yes
checking for strdup... (cached) yes
checking for strerror... (cached) yes
checking for memmove... (cached) yes
checking for getpgrp... (cached) yes
checking for setpgrp... (cached) yes
checking for gettimeofday... (cached) yes
checking for getaddrinfo... no
checking for getnameinfo... (cached) no
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) 
yes
checking whether struct tm is in sys/time.h or time.h... (cached) time.h
checking for tm_zone in struct tm... (cached) no
checking for tzname... (cached) yes
checking for st_rdev in struct stat... (cached) yes
checking for st_blksize in struct stat... (cached) yes
checking for st_blocks in struct stat... (cached) yes
checking for time.h that defines altzone... (cached) yes
checking whether sys/select.h and sys/time.h may both be included... yes
checking for addrinfo... (cached) no
checking for sockaddr_storage... (cached) no
checking whether char is unsigned... (cached) no
checking for working const... (cached) yes
checking for working volatile... yes
checking for working signed char... yes
checking for prototypes... yes
checking for variable length prototypes and stdarg.h... yes
checking for bad exec* prototypes... no
checking if sockaddr has sa_len member... no
checking for bad static forward... (cached) no
checking whether va_list is an array... no
checking for gethostbyname_r... (cached) yes
checking gethostbyname_r with 6 args... no
checking gethostbyname_r with 5 args... yes
checking for __fpu_control... (cached) no
checking for __fpu_control in -lieee... (cached) no
checking for --with-fpectl... no
checking for --with-libm=STRING... default LIBM="-lm"
checking for --with-libc=STRING... default LIBC=""
checking for hypot... (cached) yes
checking what malloc(0) returns... (cached) nonnull
checking for wchar.h... (cached) yes
checking size of wchar_t... (cached) 0
checking what type to use for unicode... unsigned short
checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... (cached) yes
checking whether right shift extends the sign bit... (cached) yes
checking for getc_unlocked() and friends... (cached) yes
checking for rl_pre_input_hook in -lreadline... (cached) no
checking for rl_completion_matches in -lreadline... (cached) no
checking for broken nice()... (cached) no
checking whether mvwdelch is an expression... (cached) yes
checking whether WINDOW has _flags... (cached) yes
checking for socklen_t... (cached) yes
checking for build directories... done
creating ./config.status
creating Makefile.pre
creating Modules/Setup.config
creating pyconfig.h
pyconfig.h is unchanged
creating Setup
creating Setup.local
creating Makefile
root at elvis Python-2.2 $ make
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/tokenizer.o Parser/tokenizer.c
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1375: error: unknown opcode 
".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1375: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1468: error: unknown opcode 
".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1468: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1642: error: unknown opcode 
".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1642: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1737: error: unknown opcode 
".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1737: error: statement 
syntax
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Parser/tokenizer.o'
root at elvis Python-2.2 $ make install
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/tokenizer.o Parser/tokenizer.c
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1375: error: unknown opcode 
".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1375: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1468: error: unknown opcode 
".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1468: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1642: error: unknown opcode 
".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1642: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1737: error: unknown opcode 
".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1737: error: statement 
syntax
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Parser/tokenizer.o'
root at elvis Python-2.2 $


......:::  Alex Chavez  :  System Admin :::......
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:   Taos.  New Mexico   :   505.758.1836    :
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 26 00:30:05 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:30:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem python 2.2 on solaris 7
References: <CDCBAD0E-2A45-11D6-9362-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <3C7AC8FD.32E40BD7@pcraft.com>

Alex Chavez wrote:

> I'm not able to install Python 2.2 on a solaris 7 os5.7 sparc box. Can
> anyone help? The output and error msg are below:

    This is a Python problem, and you've posted to Mailman's user list.  You
might get better luck if you post to python-help at python.org, or alternatively,
browse its newsgroup news:comp.lang.python

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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Feb 26 02:01:37 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:01:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>
References: <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com> <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com> <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20020226010137.GD4035@merlins.org>

On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 04:38:56PM -0800, Mike Noyes wrote:
> John,
> Thanks for responding. The Mailman version is 2.0.5 patched by Marc MERLIN 
> on SourceForge. The Python version is 1.5.
 
Are you talking about the python version on lists.sourceforge.net?
Because if so:
usw-sf-list1:~# python -V       
Python 2.1.1

> Content-Type: .*(?!plain--signed)
> 
> Note: I'm not very good with regexp, and I have no programming experience 
> with Python.

BTW, be careful, bad regexes tend to break older mailmans :-)

(Yes, I'm hoping sf.net will be able  to switch to mailman 2.1 soon, but not
quite on 2.1a4+ yet :-D)

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Feb 26 02:05:04 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:05:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020222073454.00bd0a50@pop.mindspring.com>
References: <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com> <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com> <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com> <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com> <4.2.2.20020222073454.00bd0a50@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20020226010504.GE4035@merlins.org>

On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 07:47:31AM -0800, Mike Noyes wrote:
> Marc MERLIN knows which version of Python runs on the SF list server. I 
> hope he is reading this thread, so he can enlighten us.

Already  done, but  please, if  you need  sf.net support,  submit a  support
request on the sf.net web site.
When I'm  in *I  got 3000 Emails  to catch up  with in  the car to  and from
Tahoe*, I can assure  you that I read my list mail  rather quickly, so don't
rely on my noticing a request here :-)

Marc
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From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Tue Feb 26 02:18:40 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:18:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <20020226010137.GD4035@merlins.org>
References: <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221100304.00be24d0@pop.mindspring.com>
 <4.2.2.20020221162806.00bdc220@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020225170815.00af5f00@pop.mindspring.com>

At 2002-02-25 17:01 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
>Are you talking about the python version on lists.sourceforge.net?
>Because if so:
>usw-sf-list1:~# python -V
>Python 2.1.1

Marc,
Yes. Thanks for the information. :-)

I believe this is a valid list manager question. That's why I asked here 
instead of SF. I apologize if I went about this in the wrong manner. I 
didn't initially realize the Python version would make a difference in the 
types of valid regexps.

> > Content-Type: .*(?!plain--signed)
> >
> > Note: I'm not very good with regexp, and I have no programming
> > experience with Python.
>
>BTW, be careful, bad regexes tend to break older mailmans :-)

Will a variation of the (?!...) negative lookahead assertion above work 
with Mailman in Privacy Options - Hold posts?

--
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From brooksj at wildhorse.com  Tue Feb 26 05:51:17 2002
From: brooksj at wildhorse.com (Desert Hawk)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:51:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] seeking possible new tool
Message-ID: <200202260448.g1Q4mX6L048392@ns1.wildhorse.com>

With all the site admins here, someone must have come up with a
script to do this already, so I ask here first (that, and I don't
know Python in order to try it myself  :)

Is there a script  equivalent of list_members that one could use 
to print out the real addresses of all the current list admins?

This would make it easier to find out what lists need to be changed
when an admin leaves the company and not have to wade through all
lists to find that out.

Which brings up another question...what happens when the -admin
address becomes invalid?  I have several lists whose owners have
since left my current place of employment (and I am not far behind
them), but where do those bounces end up?


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From mailman at linkpro.net  Tue Feb 26 06:58:08 2002
From: mailman at linkpro.net (Damon Linkous)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:58:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de> <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <045e01c1be8a$9106f0c0$59ac5241@webchecker>

I've searched for information on the Mailman-to-news since I'm looking for a way to allow answering
list messages from the web also. Is there documentation online about this? Does it require running a
private news server?

Thanks,

Damon Linkous

> Thomas Guettler wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to get a web-frontend to a mailinglist?
> >
> > I think about a forum where you have threaded display of the messages
> > and can post messages through the web without subscribing.
>
>     Mailman-to-news, which is already present in Mailman does essentially that.
>
>
>
> > Please CC to me, I am not on the list.
>
>     Why not?  There's a great deal of help here...
>
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From kirez at cornell.edu  Tue Feb 26 06:07:36 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:07:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change a list name
Message-ID: <02b201c1be83$81dcd0d0$6401a8c0@asics>

I know you're not supposed to. But I have to.

The question is, can I change a list's name and still preserve all the
subscribers' preferences, and painlessly continue to use the original
archives?

By default, I understand I must simply create a new list and start from
scratch. But I'm looking for a way to just change the name, keep the
subscribers' options, keep the configuration, keep the archives.

Can anyone help me?

cheers,
Kirez





From Corley.Kinnane at uts.edu.au  Wed Feb 27 00:54:29 2002
From: Corley.Kinnane at uts.edu.au (Corley Kinnane)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:54:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transferring Mailman to another box
Message-ID: <3C7C2035.8020100@uts.edu.au>

Hi,
    I am trying to transfer a Mailman configuration to another system.
Currently I've setup Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.08 and checked that the 
old aliases file delivers mail.
Mailman's CGI works fine, subscription to a list works and even sends 
the "reply to"-to-subscribe email to the potential user.
The problem seems to be in the wrapper, mail to a list just disappears.
Any Ideas ? , things I should check ?

Corley.

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From cheesefactory at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 26 10:05:39 2002
From: cheesefactory at yahoo.com (Paul Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:05:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transferring Mailman to another box
In-Reply-To: <3C7C2035.8020100@uts.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20020226090539.56938.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Corley Kinnane <Corley.Kinnane at uts.edu.au> wrote:
>     I am trying to transfer a Mailman configuration to another system.
> Currently I've setup Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.08 and checked that the 
> old aliases file delivers mail.
> Mailman's CGI works fine, subscription to a list works and even sends 
> the "reply to"-to-subscribe email to the potential user.
> The problem seems to be in the wrapper, mail to a list just disappears.
> Any Ideas ? , things I should check ?

Try the instructions used for renaming a list:
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/listwork/2001-November/001740.html

i.e. issuing move_list and arch commands.

I moved a list, and it took some fiddling to get it working. Upgrading to a
new version of mailman tends to have the side effect of cleaning up some
cruft and getting things going again.

Paul

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From greg at countryhardware.com.au  Tue Feb 26 11:23:30 2002
From: greg at countryhardware.com.au (Greg Rees)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:23:30 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing HTML files
Message-ID: <0202262127280C.00795@www>

Where do I find the html files that you see when you connect to the list, not
the file that mailman offers you to edit so that the appearance of the
displayed page can be changed, dramatically.

HTH

Greg



From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Mon Feb 25 12:10:21 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:10:21 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
In-Reply-To: <1014658838.3c7a7716ccdae@correio.faccat.br>
Message-ID: <006201c1bded$043b0480$3900a8c0@PS3>

Is this correct?
I don't see any post about Iplanet .... I ask some questions about it,
and nobody answer!
Can anyone just tell me if it is possible put this solution to work?
IPLANET+MAILMAN+SOLARIS

Thanks again,

 Sergio Sousa


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From hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com  Tue Feb 26 12:10:51 2002
From: hakon.brynildsen at framestore-cfc.com (Hakon Brynildsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:10:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing HTML files
References: <0202262127280C.00795@www>
Message-ID: <3C7B6D3B.925BB440@framestore-cfc.com>

I'm not sure which page you are looking for, but most of the text/html
files mailman uses is found under 
$HOME/mailman/templates/

Greg Rees wrote:
> 
> Where do I find the html files that you see when you connect to the list, not
> the file that mailman offers you to edit so that the appearance of the
> displayed page can be changed, dramatically.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Greg
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From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Mon Feb 25 12:32:18 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:32:18 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem python 2.2 on solaris 7
In-Reply-To: <CDCBAD0E-2A45-11D6-9362-0030656BCC12@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <006e01c1bdf0$14f51010$3900a8c0@PS3>

Try the binary package on www.sunfreeware.com

  Sergio

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Sent: segunda-feira, 25 de Fevereiro de 2002 23:17
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem python 2.2 on solaris 7

I'm not able to install Python 2.2 on a solaris 7 os5.7 sparc box. Can 
anyone help? The output and error msg are below:

root at elvis /var $ cd /tmp
root at elvis /tmp $ cd Python-2.2
root at elvis Python-2.2 $ ./configure --with-gcc
loading cache ./config.cache
checking MACHDEP... sunos5
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for --with-cxx=<compiler>... no
checking for c++... (cached) c++
checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) works... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler (c++  ) is a cross-compiler... yes
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for AIX... no
checking for minix/config.h... (cached) no
checking for Cygwin environment... (cached) no
checking for mingw32 environment... (cached) no
checking for executable suffix... (cached) no
checking for --with-suffix...
checking for case-insensitive build directory... no
checking LIBRARY... libpython$(VERSION).a
checking LINKCC... $(PURIFY) $(CC)
checking LDLIBRARY... libpython$(VERSION).a
checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
checking for ar... (cached) ar
checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
checking for --with-pydebug... no
checking whether gcc accepts -OPT:Olimit=0... (cached) no
checking whether gcc accepts -Olimit 1500... (cached) no
checking whether pthreads are available without options... (cached) no
checking whether gcc accepts -Kpthread... (cached) no
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for dlfcn.h... (cached) yes
checking for fcntl.h... (cached) yes
checking for grp.h... (cached) yes
checking for limits.h... (cached) yes
checking for langinfo.h... (cached) yes
checking for locale.h... (cached) yes
checking for ncurses.h... (cached) no
checking for poll.h... (cached) yes
checking for pthread.h... (cached) yes
checking for signal.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdarg.h... (cached) yes
checking for stddef.h... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for thread.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for utime.h... (cached) yes
checking for termios.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/audioio.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/file.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/lock.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/modem.h... (cached) no
checking for db_185.h... (cached) no
checking for db.h... (cached) no
checking for sys/param.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/poll.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/select.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/socket.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/time.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/times.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/un.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/utsname.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/wait.h... (cached) yes
checking for pty.h... (cached) no
checking for term.h... (cached) yes
checking for libutil.h... (cached) no
checking for ndbm.h... (cached) yes
checking for db1/ndbm.h... (cached) no
checking for gdbm/ndbm.h... (cached) no
checking for sys/resource.h... (cached) yes
checking for netpacket/packet.h... (cached) no
checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... (cached) yes
checking for opendir in -ldir... (cached) no
checking for clock_t in time.h... yes
checking for mode_t... (cached) yes
checking for off_t... (cached) yes
checking for pid_t... (cached) yes
checking return type of signal handlers... (cached) void
checking for size_t... (cached) yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking size of int... (cached) 4
checking size of long... (cached) 4
checking size of void *... (cached) 4
checking size of char... (cached) 1
checking size of short... (cached) 2
checking size of float... (cached) 4
checking size of double... (cached) 8
checking size of fpos_t... (cached) 8
checking for long long support... yes
checking size of long long... (cached) 8
checking for uintptr_t support... no
checking size of off_t... (cached) 8
checking whether to enable large file support... yes
checking size of time_t... (cached) 4
checking for pthread_t... yes
checking size of pthread_t... (cached) 4
checking for --enable-toolbox-glue... no
checking for --enable-framework... no
checking for dyld... no
checking SO... .so
checking LDSHARED... $(CC) -shared
checking CCSHARED... -fPIC
checking LINKFORSHARED...
checking CFLAGSFORSHARED...
checking for dlopen in -ldl... (cached) yes
checking for shl_load in -ldld... (cached) no
checking for t_open in -lnsl... (cached) yes
checking for socket in -lsocket... (cached) yes
checking for --with-libs... no
checking for --with-signal-module... yes
checking for --with-dec-threads... no
checking for --with-threads... yes
checking for _POSIX_THREADS in unistd.h... yes
checking for mach/cthreads.h... (cached) no
checking for --with-pth... no
checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... yes
checking if PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM is supported... (cached) yes
checking for pthread_sigmask... (cached) yes
checking for usconfig in -lmpc... (cached) no
checking for thr_create in -lthread... (cached) yes
checking if --enable-ipv6 is specified... no
checking for --with-cycle-gc... yes
checking for --with-pymalloc... no
checking for --with-wctype-functions... no
checking for --with-sgi-dl... no
checking for --with-dl-dld... no
checking for dlopen... (cached) yes
checking DYNLOADFILE... dynload_shlib.o
checking MACHDEP_OBJS... MACHDEP_OBJS
checking for alarm... (cached) yes
checking for chown... (cached) yes
checking for chroot... (cached) yes
checking for clock... (cached) yes
checking for confstr... (cached) yes
checking for ctermid... (cached) yes
checking for ctermid_r... (cached) yes
checking for execv... (cached) yes
checking for flock... (cached) no
checking for fork... (cached) yes
checking for fsync... (cached) yes
checking for fdatasync... (cached) no
checking for fpathconf... (cached) yes
checking for ftime... (cached) yes
checking for ftruncate... (cached) yes
checking for gai_strerror... (cached) no
checking for getgroups... (cached) yes
checking for getlogin... (cached) yes
checking for getpeername... (cached) yes
checking for getpid... (cached) yes
checking for getpwent... (cached) yes
checking for getwd... (cached) yes
checking for hstrerror... (cached) no
checking for inet_pton... (cached) no
checking for kill... (cached) yes
checking for link... (cached) yes
checking for lstat... (cached) yes
checking for mkfifo... (cached) yes
checking for mktime... (cached) yes
checking for mremap... (cached) no
checking for nice... (cached) yes
checking for pathconf... (cached) yes
checking for pause... (cached) yes
checking for plock... (cached) yes
checking for poll... (cached) yes
checking for pthread_init... (cached) no
checking for putenv... (cached) yes
checking for readlink... (cached) yes
checking for select... (cached) yes
checking for setegid... (cached) yes
checking for seteuid... (cached) yes
checking for setgid... (cached) yes
checking for setgroups... (cached) yes
checking for setlocale... (cached) yes
checking for setregid... (cached) yes
checking for setreuid... (cached) yes
checking for setsid... (cached) yes
checking for setpgid... (cached) yes
checking for setuid... (cached) yes
checking for setvbuf... (cached) yes
checking for snprintf... (cached) yes
checking for sigaction... (cached) yes
checking for siginterrupt... (cached) yes
checking for sigrelse... (cached) yes
checking for strftime... (cached) yes
checking for strptime... (cached) yes
checking for symlink... (cached) yes
checking for sysconf... (cached) yes
checking for tcgetpgrp... (cached) yes
checking for tcsetpgrp... (cached) yes
checking for tempnam... (cached) yes
checking for timegm... (cached) no
checking for times... (cached) yes
checking for tmpfile... (cached) yes
checking for tmpnam... (cached) yes
checking for tmpnam_r... (cached) yes
checking for truncate... (cached) yes
checking for uname... (cached) yes
checking for unsetenv... (cached) no
checking for waitpid... (cached) yes
checking for _getpty... (cached) no
checking for getpriority... (cached) yes
checking for openpty... (cached) no
checking for openpty in -lutil... (cached) no
checking for forkpty... (cached) no
checking for forkpty in -lutil... (cached) no
checking for fseek64... (cached) no
checking for fseeko... (cached) yes
checking for fstatvfs... (cached) yes
checking for ftell64... (cached) no
checking for ftello... (cached) yes
checking for statvfs... (cached) yes
checking for dup2... (cached) yes
checking for getcwd... (cached) yes
checking for strdup... (cached) yes
checking for strerror... (cached) yes
checking for memmove... (cached) yes
checking for getpgrp... (cached) yes
checking for setpgrp... (cached) yes
checking for gettimeofday... (cached) yes
checking for getaddrinfo... no
checking for getnameinfo... (cached) no
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) 
yes
checking whether struct tm is in sys/time.h or time.h... (cached) time.h
checking for tm_zone in struct tm... (cached) no
checking for tzname... (cached) yes
checking for st_rdev in struct stat... (cached) yes
checking for st_blksize in struct stat... (cached) yes
checking for st_blocks in struct stat... (cached) yes
checking for time.h that defines altzone... (cached) yes
checking whether sys/select.h and sys/time.h may both be included... yes
checking for addrinfo... (cached) no
checking for sockaddr_storage... (cached) no
checking whether char is unsigned... (cached) no
checking for working const... (cached) yes
checking for working volatile... yes
checking for working signed char... yes
checking for prototypes... yes
checking for variable length prototypes and stdarg.h... yes
checking for bad exec* prototypes... no
checking if sockaddr has sa_len member... no
checking for bad static forward... (cached) no
checking whether va_list is an array... no
checking for gethostbyname_r... (cached) yes
checking gethostbyname_r with 6 args... no
checking gethostbyname_r with 5 args... yes
checking for __fpu_control... (cached) no
checking for __fpu_control in -lieee... (cached) no
checking for --with-fpectl... no
checking for --with-libm=STRING... default LIBM="-lm"
checking for --with-libc=STRING... default LIBC=""
checking for hypot... (cached) yes
checking what malloc(0) returns... (cached) nonnull
checking for wchar.h... (cached) yes
checking size of wchar_t... (cached) 0
checking what type to use for unicode... unsigned short
checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... (cached) yes
checking whether right shift extends the sign bit... (cached) yes
checking for getc_unlocked() and friends... (cached) yes
checking for rl_pre_input_hook in -lreadline... (cached) no
checking for rl_completion_matches in -lreadline... (cached) no
checking for broken nice()... (cached) no
checking whether mvwdelch is an expression... (cached) yes
checking whether WINDOW has _flags... (cached) yes
checking for socklen_t... (cached) yes
checking for build directories... done
creating ./config.status
creating Makefile.pre
creating Modules/Setup.config
creating pyconfig.h
pyconfig.h is unchanged
creating Setup
creating Setup.local
creating Makefile
root at elvis Python-2.2 $ make
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/tokenizer.o Parser/tokenizer.c
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1375: error: unknown opcode

".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1375: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1468: error: unknown opcode

".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1468: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1642: error: unknown opcode

".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1642: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1737: error: unknown opcode

".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/cceLZ6AH.s", line 1737: error: statement 
syntax
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Parser/tokenizer.o'
root at elvis Python-2.2 $ make install
gcc -c -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -I. -I./Include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -o Parser/tokenizer.o Parser/tokenizer.c
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1375: error: unknown opcode

".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1375: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1468: error: unknown opcode

".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1468: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1642: error: unknown opcode

".subsection"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1642: error: statement 
syntax
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1737: error: unknown opcode

".previous"
/usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp/ccOpFBYd.s", line 1737: error: statement 
syntax
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `Parser/tokenizer.o'
root at elvis Python-2.2 $


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From sean at hdnet.org  Tue Feb 26 13:15:43 2002
From: sean at hdnet.org (sean at hdnet.org)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:15:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Features
Message-ID: <3C7B988F.19556.15A9AB6@localhost>

Hi

I hope this is the right place to ask these questions.  If not then 
please let me know where I should ask.  Thanks.

I have installed Mailman 2.0.8 and am evaluating it to possible use 
in place of Lyris.  I have some questions about some features that 
don't appear to be there but they may be in the the next release.

The one feature set that seems to be missing is admin commands 
via email.  The most important to me being the moderating via 
email.  Are these in the development version or planned for the 
future?  The other thing is that pipermail does not seem to handle 
attachments.  Is there a way that I can get around this.  The 
original message that is submitted for moderation is not included in 
the moderation notification.  This would be related to moderating via 
email more than anything.

The last question.  How do I setup more than one moderator for a 
list and how do I handle more than one domain ie. virtual hosting 
within mailman.

Thanks
Sean



From waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov  Tue Feb 26 14:23:53 2002
From: waller at osb1.wff.nasa.gov (Alan L. Waller)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] seeking possible new tool
In-Reply-To: <200202260448.g1Q4mX6L048392@ns1.wildhorse.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020226082301.00a9fc40@osb.wff.nasa.gov>

>
>Is there a script  equivalent of list_members that one could use
>to print out the real addresses of all the current list admins?

#!/bin/sh
cd /var/mailman/lists
for LIST in `ls`; do
   echo -n $LIST
   ../bin/config_list -o - $LIST | grep "owner =" | cut -f2 -d=
done






From chrisabraham at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 26 15:50:56 2002
From: chrisabraham at yahoo.com (Chris Abraham)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:50:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My Pipermail Archives?
In-Reply-To: <E16fW5J-0006no-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020226145056.13048.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All:

I am a member of iMeme.net and we have supercool access to Mailman accounts and
I have ssh access to that I can enjoy the access to $/home/mailman/bin etc...

Only thing is, I cannot get my archives to work -- ala
http://lists.cultureflux.com/mailman/listinfo/cultureflux -- the link,
http://lists.cultureflux.com/private/cultureflux/ does not exist.

Should I add the rewrite to the .conf file for apache or what?  What should I
look for, what should I check, and how should I debug?

Thanks in advance!

Chris

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From hillson at iastate.edu  Tue Feb 26 17:10:31 2002
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:10:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive question
Message-ID: <p05101403b8a1637107f4@[129.186.242.1]>

I am getting archives created under mailman 2.0.8, but none of my 
mailing lists are setup to create archives. I keep checking to make 
sure they are not set to archive, and I keep getting archives 
created. What is happening here, is there a bug where if it was set 
to create archives the first time it is used is always creates an 
archive file?
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From mprescott at fuse.net  Tue Feb 26 18:07:42 2002
From: mprescott at fuse.net (Mick Prescott)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:07:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link from web site directs users to wrong place
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226120248.0299d598@pop.fuse.net>

Hello all,

Please forgive a new mail list user what could be some very basic 
questions. One of my users reported the link to the Subscribe page for my 
mail list takes them to an error page
"'page not found' error - http://nkemmaus.com/pipermail/nkemmaus_nkemmaus.com/

My efforts to reproduce this, are unsuccessful since when I click on this 
link I don't get the same error.

The actual Link is: http://nkemmaus.com/mailman/listinfo/nkemmaus_nkemmaus.com

Is it me?
Could there be something else wrong?

Anyone know?

Mick

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From morgan at hahaha.org  Tue Feb 26 18:31:21 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:31:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link from web site directs users to wrong place
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226120248.0299d598@pop.fuse.net> (Mick
 Prescott's message of "Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:07:42 -0500")
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226120248.0299d598@pop.fuse.net>
Message-ID: <87y9hgf8uu.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>

Mick Prescott <mprescott at fuse.net> writes:
> Please forgive a new mail list user what could be some very basic
> questions. One of my users reported the link to the Subscribe page for my
> mail list takes them to an error page "'page not found' error
> -http://nkemmaus.com/pipermail/nkemmaus_nkemmaus.com/ My efforts to
> reproduce this, are unsuccessful since when I click on this link I don't
> get the same error.  The actual Link is:
> http://nkemmaus.com/mailman/listinfo/nkemmaus_nkemmaus.com Is it me?
> Could there be something else wrong?  Anyone know?  Mick

This is an uneducated guess:

Assuming you're running apache, you probably have something like this in
your conf file:

  Alias /pipermail "/home/mailman/archives/public"

If so, try this instead:

  Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

Morgan



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 26 18:47:54 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:47:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link from web site directs users to wrong place
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226120248.0299d598@pop.fuse.net> <87y9hgf8uu.fsf@fletcher.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <00de01c1beed$b82f2ab0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Neh!  He is talking about the Archives link.

Go to the listinfo page and at the bottom of the first section is a link to
your archives.  Since your archives don't exist, the link gives an error.
You should edit out that line to remove the link (or fix the problem with
your archives...)

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Morgan Fletcher" <morgan at hahaha.org>
To: "Mick Prescott" <mprescott at fuse.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Link from web site directs users to wrong place


> Mick Prescott <mprescott at fuse.net> writes:
> > Please forgive a new mail list user what could be some very basic
> > questions. One of my users reported the link to the Subscribe page for
my
> > mail list takes them to an error page "'page not found' error
> > -http://nkemmaus.com/pipermail/nkemmaus_nkemmaus.com/ My efforts to
> > reproduce this, are unsuccessful since when I click on this link I don't
> > get the same error.  The actual Link is:
> > http://nkemmaus.com/mailman/listinfo/nkemmaus_nkemmaus.com Is it me?
> > Could there be something else wrong?  Anyone know?  Mick
>
> This is an uneducated guess:
>
> Assuming you're running apache, you probably have something like this in
> your conf file:
>
>   Alias /pipermail "/home/mailman/archives/public"
>
> If so, try this instead:
>
>   Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
>
> Morgan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 26 20:27:05 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:27:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Question
References: <002c01c1be24$046df660$67d9b3d1@millshome>
Message-ID: <00ee01c1befb$9362f7d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Good question...  Okay, here is start.  These two lines list out the email
addresses that are set to NOMAIL for a specific list.

=== No Mail users ===
~mailman/bin/dumpdb ../lists/<list-name>/config.db | grep "@" |grep ": 1" |
sed "s/'user_options'//" | cut -f2 "-d'"

~mailman/bin/dumpdb ../lists/<list-name>/config.db | grep "@" |grep ": 9" |
sed "s/'user_options'//" | cut -f2 "-d'"


User_options 1 and 9 signify nomail:
  1 is no mail and digest
  9 is no mail and regular

If the first user of a list has the NOMAIL option then 'user options'
appears in front of it, and the cut doesn't get the email address.  To
handle this minor problem, I use sed to edit it out if it occurs.

You can use these two lines to gather all the NOMAIL users from each of your
lists and then grep those users out before adding the folks on the list to
the total.  Once you get it working, how about posting the modified version
so we can add it to the FAQ as well.

Thanks - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mills" <mike.mills at earthlink.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:43 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella List Question


> I have an umbrella list that is created from 9 other lists using the
> techniques recommended in the FAQ's.  I just realized that when extracting
> the members from a list to create the umbrella list that those members who
> have the NO MAIL option selected are still included and become members of
> the umbrella list.  Bounce management also sets the NO MAIL flag.  Any
> suggestions on how to exclude members who have NO MAIL set when building
the
> Umbrella list?
>
> The script that creates the umbrella list:
> #! /bin/sh
>
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:$HOME/bin:$HOME/usr/bin:$HOME/usr/local/bi
> n
> export PATH
> #lets start with an empty file
> echo " " >/tmp/all_list
> #now define the lists that comprise the all list
> List='list1 list2 list3 list4 list5 list6 list7 list8'
> #and now bring them together
> for entry in $List
> do
>  /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members $entry >>/tmp/all_list
> done
> #now eliminate duplicates
> cat /tmp/all_list |sort -u >/tmp/all_all_list
> #now update the alllist list
>  /usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members -f /tmp/all_all_list
alllist>/dev/null
> #and clean up the temp files
> rm /tmp/all_list
> rm /tmp/all_all_list
>
>
>
> Mike Mills
> mike.mills at earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From kirez at cornell.edu  Tue Feb 26 19:59:58 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:59:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reverse-chronological order for archives?
Message-ID: <037a01c1bef7$c9fdfd70$6401a8c0@asics>

How can I change the default from chronological order to
reverse-chronological order for the archives of all my lists?

Yesterday, with Jon Carnes' help, I made changes to Defaults.py; while this
works for new lists, how do I get those changes to extend to lists that were
already configured?

cheers,
Kirez






From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 26 21:26:38 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
References: <006201c1bded$043b0480$3900a8c0@PS3>
Message-ID: <012c01c1bf03$e49aec90$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Of course it is possible to get Mailman working with Iplanet.  Read the
INSTALL file really well and do what it says.

For the web part, Iplanet has to have some way of activating a CGI.  Setup
the CGI's as described in the INSTALL file.  The script alias /mailman/ has
to be setup to go to ~mailman/cgi-bin/

If you want archives to work, then you have to accommodate pipermail as
well: /pipermail/ ==> ~mailman/archives/public

Additionally, when you install Mailman, you have to know what group ID that
Iplanet runs as.  Mailman only allows users in that Group to access it's CGI
programs and its scripts.

For the MTA part, all you need is the ability to put in aliases (that run
scripts).

Iplanet is supposed to provide you with basic web functions, and basic
messaging functions.  Of course it goes well beyond those two simple things.
Still, if it can *do* those two simple things, then it can work with
mailman.

None of us are going to figure out the details for you - we don't have the
time.  If you don't have the time either, then hire someone to figure it
out.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sergio Sousa" <ssousa at whatevernet.com>
To: "'Lista de discuss?es Mailman'" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with
IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?


> Is this correct?
> I don't see any post about Iplanet .... I ask some questions about it,
> and nobody answer!
> Can anyone just tell me if it is possible put this solution to work?
> IPLANET+MAILMAN+SOLARIS
>
> Thanks again,
>
>  Sergio Sousa
>
>
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> Se o receptor desta mensagem n?o for o destinat?rio indicado, fica
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> Em tal situa??o, o receptor dever? destruir a presente mensagem e por
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> may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you
> should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply
> email.
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>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From sebold at lcms.org  Tue Feb 26 21:50:19 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:50:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] byte-compiling mm_cfg.py?
Message-ID: <87n0xwarxw.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

Should mm_cfg.py be byte-compiled?

I would think not, unless one were prepared to recompile it every time
mm_cfg.py is changed.  Is that correct?

(Debian's default install allows one to recompile changed Python source
by running "dpkg-reconfigure mailman", and it will automatically
generate a .pyc of your mm_cfg file; when I realized that, I wondered if
perhaps some of my old options were being propagated in place of newer
ones.)
-- 
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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Feb 26 21:52:25 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:52:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reverse-chronological order for archives?
References: <037a01c1bef7$c9fdfd70$6401a8c0@asics>
Message-ID: <014e01c1bf07$7ea98640$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Remember that you are not supposed to change ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py.
All the changes should be in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.
This only matters for when you upgrade, as Mailman will overwrite the file:
Defaults.py, but will leave mm_cfg.py alone.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:59 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reverse-chronological order for archives?


> How can I change the default from chronological order to
> reverse-chronological order for the archives of all my lists?
>
> Yesterday, with Jon Carnes' help, I made changes to Defaults.py; while
this
> works for new lists, how do I get those changes to extend to lists that
were
> already configured?
>
> cheers,
> Kirez
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From chitrak at watson.chemical.missouri.edu  Tue Feb 26 22:22:18 2002
From: chitrak at watson.chemical.missouri.edu (chitrak at watson.chemical.missouri.edu)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:22:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't create output: Permission denied
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10202261517440.16905-100000@watson.chemical.missouri.edu>

I have seen variations of this in the archive, however I do not get any
gid or uid errors.
550 /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mersenne... Can't create output:
Permission denied

I am using RH 6.2 and Mailman version 2.0.8

I created my mailman user and group a
I have installed into the default dir /home/mailman 
Followed all the other install instructions. ( Probably except one or else
this would be working :) )

I can subscribe to a list, however  when I recieve my confirmation and try
to reply to my confirmation I get

550 /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mersenne... Can't create output:
Permission denied

thanks for any input or advice

Randy




From ayrous at usis.minsa.gob.pe  Tue Feb 26 22:52:46 2002
From: ayrous at usis.minsa.gob.pe (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ayrous?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:52:46 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Help?=
Message-ID: <3652.10.10.18.2.1014760366.squirrel@usismail.usis.minsa.gob.pe>

Friends because it happens east error:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd informatica"
    (reason: service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <informatica-request at listasis.minsa.gob.pe>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable


Ayrous
------





From pgrimpo at inspirmedia.org  Tue Feb 26 04:47:54 2002
From: pgrimpo at inspirmedia.org (Phil Grimpo)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:47:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail commands
Message-ID: <C2F2F2084C17D611B123009027DC823C0219E1@CLCSERVER1>

What e-mail commands can be used with Mailman?  What's the syntax?  I can't
find documentation anywhere.
 
Thanks for the help.
 
-Grimps
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From damon at linkpro.net  Tue Feb 26 06:42:51 2002
From: damon at linkpro.net (Damon)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:42:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de> <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <040501c1be88$6ed27300$59ac5241@webchecker>

I've searched for information on the Mailman-to-news since I'm looking for a way to allow answering
list messages from the web also. Is there documentation online about this? Does it require running a
private news server?

Thanks,

Damon Linkous

Sorry to Ashley for two copies of this, I'm not used to lists that "Reply" goes to an individual
instead of the list.

> Thomas Guettler wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to get a web-frontend to a mailinglist?
> >
> > I think about a forum where you have threaded display of the messages
> > and can post messages through the web without subscribing.
>
>     Mailman-to-news, which is already present in Mailman does essentially that.
>
>
>
> > Please CC to me, I am not on the list.
>
>     Why not?  There's a great deal of help here...
>
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From damon at linkpro.net  Tue Feb 26 06:51:16 2002
From: damon at linkpro.net (Damon)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:51:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de> <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <044701c1be89$9b5c50c0$59ac5241@webchecker>

I've searched for information on the Mailman-to-news since I'm looking for a way to allow answering
list messages from the web also. Is there documentation online about this? Does it require running a
private news server?

Thanks,

Damon Linkous

> Thomas Guettler wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to get a web-frontend to a mailinglist?
> >
> > I think about a forum where you have threaded display of the messages
> > and can post messages through the web without subscribing.
>
>     Mailman-to-news, which is already present in Mailman does essentially that.
>
>
>
> > Please CC to me, I am not on the list.
>
>     Why not?  There's a great deal of help here...
>
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From SimonR at galileosa.co.za  Tue Feb 26 07:48:07 2002
From: SimonR at galileosa.co.za (Simon Richards)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:48:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems with Mailman
Message-ID: <54CF91468241D511AAFA00508B5EFDDBF08F@GALILEOSA_EXCHG>

Hi there,


I am trying to get Mailman working on a SuSE 7.3 box, and being a newbie, I
appear to have a few problems, it looks like permission problems somewhere
but i'm not sure, is there anywhere I can get installation support, I have
gone through the install document (a 100 times), but I still can't find the
problem. 
I may be doing something "newbieish" but I am not sure. 

Any support would be appreciated, of If I could  be pointed to an install
document that is more specific (about the original permissions, or the
Suid's or whatever, before the installation starts


 


Email: simonr at galileosa.co.za <mailto:simonr at galileosa.co.za> 






From doug at hunley.homeip.net  Tue Feb 26 17:51:27 2002
From: doug at hunley.homeip.net (Douglas J Hunley)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:51:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad marshal date?
Message-ID: <200202261651.g1QGpTWZ010767@hunley.homeip.net>

mailman just started telling me that one of my lists  has a corrupt archive. 
it also says 'bad marshal date' 
is this fixable?
I'm not on the list, so please 'cc' me on replies. thanks
-- 
Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778
Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org

Unix is an operating system, OS/2 is half an operating system, Windows
is a shell, and DOS is a boot partition virus.
-- Peter H. Coffin



From jerry at sandiego.edu  Tue Feb 26 23:18:30 2002
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:18:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Letting newsgroup messages into members-only lists
Message-ID: <p0510141ab8a1b77f6f2a@[199.106.12.16]>

A few people once asked about letting gatewayed newsgroup postings 
through to members-only lists automatically. I think I have this (and 
would appreciate comments on what I've done).

Note that this opens up the possibility of spam: all a spammer has to 
do is add a "Newsgroup:" header with the correct newsgroup, and their 
messages will get through. (But then technically, all they had to do 
in the past was find a member, and set their messages from that 
member. Since they don't do the latter, I'm not too worried about 
this one.)

This is for Mailman 2.0.8.

In ~/Mailman/Handlers/ there is a file called 'Hold.py'. This 
apparently is what does the work of shunting inappropriate mail off 
to administrators for approval.

In it, there is a section that says:

     if mlist.member_posting_only:
         posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters))
         if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \
            not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters):
             # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of
             # explicitly approved posters
             hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost)
             # no return

This is fairly obvious (assuming I've parsed it correctly): if 
member_posting_only is set for the list, then hold all messages 
unless they come from a member or are on the list of valid posters.

Change it to:

     if mlist.member_posting_only:
         if mlist.gateway_to_news:
             needgroup = string.lower(mlist.linked_newsgroup)
             newsgroup = string.lower(msg.getheader('newsgroups'))

         posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters))
         if not mlist.IsMember(sender) and \
            not (mlist.gateway_to_news and needgroup and 
newsgroup==needgroup) and \
            not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters):
             # the sender is neither a member of the list, nor in the list of
             # explicitly approved posters
             # nor is it from the gatewayed newsgroup
             hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NonMemberPost)
             # no return

This, if "gateway_to_news" is set, grabs the newsgroup name that 
gatewaying is set for, and if one is available, also grabs the value 
of the Newsgroup: header in the message. It adds one more "unless" to 
the "hold all messages unless" logic: unless gatewaying is set up and 
there is a newsgroup set for gatewaying and the value of the 
newsgroup header matches the newsgroup we're gatewaying to.

Note that crossposted messages will not get through--but they will be 
available for administrative approval. I see this as a feature, not a 
bug :*)

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi



From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 26 23:32:09 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:32:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail commands
References: <C2F2F2084C17D611B123009027DC823C0219E1@CLCSERVER1>
Message-ID: <3C7C0CE9.393AEFA0@pcraft.com>

Phil Grimpo wrote:

> What e-mail commands can be used with Mailman? What's the syntax? I can't
> find documentation anywhere.
>

    You should get a reply with the commands if you send a message to

    <list>-request@<your.mailman.server>

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 26 23:35:01 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
References: <3652.10.10.18.2.1014760366.squirrel@usismail.usis.minsa.gob.pe>
Message-ID: <3C7C0D95.4208578@pcraft.com>

Ayrous wrote:

> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd informatica"
>     (reason: service unavailable)
>     (expanded from: <informatica-request at listasis.minsa.gob.pe>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

    You're running smrsh, so you need to create a symlink for Mailman's wrapper
to work.

    If you have smrsh in /etc/smrsh, you need to link the wrapper there:

    cd /etc/smrsh
    ln -sf /home/mailman/mail/wrapper ./

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 26 23:36:22 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:36:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems with Mailman
References: <54CF91468241D511AAFA00508B5EFDDBF08F@GALILEOSA_EXCHG>
Message-ID: <3C7C0DE5.C0CC53A6@pcraft.com>

Simon Richards wrote:

> it looks like permission problems somewhere
> but i'm not sure

    Can you be a little bit more specific?  How far into the installation did
you get, which step? What is the error you're getting?  We may be able to help
if we know a bit more.

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 26 23:45:38 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:45:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de> <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com> <044701c1be89$9b5c50c0$59ac5241@webchecker>
Message-ID: <3C7C1012.E14CB751@pcraft.com>

Damon wrote:

> I've searched for information on the Mailman-to-news since I'm looking for a way to allow answering
> list messages from the web also. Is there documentation online about this? Does it require running a
> private news server?

    From the nntp_host description page:

----------
nntp_host (gateway): The Internet address of the machine your News server is running on.

The News server is not part of Mailman proper. You have to already have access to a NNTP server, and
that NNTP server has to recognize the machine this mailing list runs on as a machine capable of reading
and posting news.
----------


    So the answer here is, yes you need one.  Unless you can ask your ISP to allow you to use their NNTP
server...or arrange something else.

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From jerry at sandiego.edu  Tue Feb 26 23:43:23 2002
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:43:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <044701c1be89$9b5c50c0$59ac5241@webchecker>
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de>
 <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com> <044701c1be89$9b5c50c0$59ac5241@webchecker>
Message-ID: <p0510141cb8a1bf323d36@[199.106.12.16]>

>I've searched for information on the Mailman-to-news since I'm 
>looking for a way to allow answering
>list messages from the web also. Is there documentation online about 
>this? Does it require running a
>private news server?

Yes, or at least working with a news provider that allows you to add 
newsgroups--though in the latter case you've got to deal with a wider 
audience.

I think what the other poster was recommending was using newsgroups 
*instead* of a web forum. Otherwise, once you've got the newsgroup 
running you still need to create the Usenet-Web gateway software. 
We've done it, but it required programming (I don't know if there are 
any off-the-shelf solutions for Usenet-Web gateways).

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi



From chitrak at watson.chemical.missouri.edu  Tue Feb 26 23:50:03 2002
From: chitrak at watson.chemical.missouri.edu (chitrak at watson.chemical.missouri.edu)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:50:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't create output: Permission denied
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10202261517440.16905-100000@watson.chemical.missouri.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10202261649010.16905-100000@watson.chemical.missouri.edu>

Well the problem is solved. When some suggest to read all the information
on install and configure, then that is what you need to do. I did not read
the README.SENDMAIL

problem solved



On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 chitrak at watson.chemical.missouri.edu wrote:

> I have seen variations of this in the archive, however I do not get any
> gid or uid errors.
> 550 /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mersenne... Can't create output:
> Permission denied
> 
> I am using RH 6.2 and Mailman version 2.0.8
> 
> I created my mailman user and group a
> I have installed into the default dir /home/mailman 
> Followed all the other install instructions. ( Probably except one or else
> this would be working :) )
> 
> I can subscribe to a list, however  when I recieve my confirmation and try
> to reply to my confirmation I get
> 
> 550 /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mersenne... Can't create output:
> Permission denied
> 
> thanks for any input or advice
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Feb 27 00:30:28 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:30:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] byte-compiling mm_cfg.py?
In-Reply-To: <87n0xwarxw.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>
References: <87n0xwarxw.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>
Message-ID: <p05101407b8a1c9c12cf1@[207.149.192.229]>

At 14:50 -0600 2/26/2002, Charles Sebold wrote:
>Should mm_cfg.py be byte-compiled?
>
>I would think not, unless one were prepared to recompile it every time
>mm_cfg.py is changed.  Is that correct?

Let Python do its thing.  When a module is imported (which is what
mm_cfg.py is and what happens to it in Mailman), and Python finds a .pyc
file with a modified date older than that of the .py file, the .pyc is
remade.

It's not supposed to be possible to import a stale .pyc file.  BUT...I
suspect that with a little help from the touch command, one could confuse
things.  (Modify the .py file, then set its modified date back using touch.
Don't do this for mission critical code.)

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From mailman at linkpro.net  Wed Feb 27 00:55:05 2002
From: mailman at linkpro.net (Damon Linkous)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:55:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de> <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com> <044701c1be89$9b5c50c0$59ac5241@webchecker> <p0510141cb8a1bf323d36@[199.106.12.16]>
Message-ID: <013601c1bf21$0436a2c0$63a82243@webchecker>

What I was really looking for is what the original poster asked (and what this thread subject is).
I'm building a new home for an active Yahoo Group, a lot of the members read and post to the mail
list exclusively from the Yahoo Group. I haven't found anything that would let Mailman (or any other
mail list software) do the same thing.

I only asked about the News Gateway because it was mentioned as a standard Mailman feature, it seems
like a Web Gateway would be a lot more popular.

Any Ideas?

Damon Linkous

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Stratton" <jerry at sandiego.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist


>I've searched for information on the Mailman-to-news since I'm
>looking for a way to allow answering
>list messages from the web also. Is there documentation online about
>this? Does it require running a
>private news server?

Yes, or at least working with a news provider that allows you to add
newsgroups--though in the latter case you've got to deal with a wider
audience.

I think what the other poster was recommending was using newsgroups
*instead* of a web forum. Otherwise, once you've got the newsgroup
running you still need to create the Usenet-Web gateway software.
We've done it, but it required programming (I don't know if there are
any off-the-shelf solutions for Usenet-Web gateways).

Jerry
--
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Feb 27 01:06:17 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:06:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Forum Frontend to Mailinglist
References: <20020225174759.GA715@thomas-guettler.de> <3C7ABA50.E786EE3B@pcraft.com> <044701c1be89$9b5c50c0$59ac5241@webchecker> <p0510141cb8a1bf323d36@[199.106.12.16]> <013601c1bf21$0436a2c0$63a82243@webchecker>
Message-ID: <3C7C22F8.EB02700E@pcraft.com>

Damon Linkous wrote:

> What I was really looking for is what the original poster asked (and what this thread subject is).
> I'm building a new home for an active Yahoo Group, a lot of the members read and post to the mail
> list exclusively from the Yahoo Group. I haven't found anything that would let Mailman (or any other
> mail list software) do the same thing.
>
> I only asked about the News Gateway because it was mentioned as a standard Mailman feature, it seems
> like a Web Gateway would be a lot more popular.

    You may be better of building a Forum with email capabilities.  There are a few of those around.
You can either log onto the forum to read and reply to messages, or use the email interface to
post/receive messages.  Unfortunately, this is outside the scope of Mailman (even the News gateway is).

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From will at willspc.net  Wed Feb 27 03:42:49 2002
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:42:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No such user...
Message-ID: <004d01c1bf38$7265ea00$1600a8c0@WILLSPC.LOCAL>

Got mailman 2.0.6 installed
Sendmail 8.9.3
Python 2.2
Apache 1.3.6
 
Created a new list (testlist), 
Added the entries to aliases
## templist mailing list
## created: 26-Feb-2002 mailman
templist:                "|mm_wrapper post templist"
templist-admin:          "|mm_wrapper mailowner templist"
templist-request:        "|mm_wrapper mailcmd templist"
templist-owner:          templist-admin
 
in /usr/adm/sm.bin mm_wrapper points to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
Ran newaliases
Did a restart of sendmail
 
When I e-mail to testlist-admin at mydomain.com
 
The following entry goes into in my maillog
Feb 26 21:30:03 raq sendmail[8780]: VAA08780:
<testlist-admin at willspc.net>... No such user here
 
What didn't I do?  What am I missing?  HELP!!! :-D
 
And on a side note, is there a browser interface for creating a new list
somewhere?  I REALLY would rather not do it manually for each client.
:-)
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From kirez at cornell.edu  Wed Feb 27 05:23:35 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:23:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reverse-chronological order
Message-ID: <006b01c1bf46$866eaa60$6401a8c0@asics>

I would expect this is a very standard concern that people have: by default,
all my archives are in chronological order -- which is patently stupid. This
means that new messages accumulate toward the bottom, so on a high-volume
list, you must scroll down the page to see the newest message.

My question is: how can I change my archives to reverse-chronological order?
I was surprised that there was no toggle for this in the admindb.

cheers,
Kirez




From fball at franciscans.com  Wed Feb 27 07:15:04 2002
From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:15:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail commands
In-Reply-To: <3C7C0CE9.393AEFA0@pcraft.com>
References: <C2F2F2084C17D611B123009027DC823C0219E1@CLCSERVER1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020227001420.00addae8@mail.jfredball.com>

At 03:32 PM 2/26/2002 -0700, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>Phil Grimpo wrote:
>
> > What e-mail commands can be used with Mailman? What's the syntax? I can't
> > find documentation anywhere.
> >
>
>     You should get a reply with the commands if you send a message to
>
>     <list>-request@<your.mailman.server>

That results in a beautifully-blank message coming back to you, unless the 
word "help" is placed in the subject line.

:-)

Fred




From sean at hdnet.org  Wed Feb 27 07:11:23 2002
From: sean at hdnet.org (sean at hdnet.org)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:11:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Features
In-Reply-To: <14530523563.20020226161641@freemail.hu>
References: <3C7B988F.19556.15A9AB6@localhost>
Message-ID: <3C7C94AB.19458.53369B4@localhost>

Hi

> sho> The one feature set that seems to be missing is admin commands
> sho> via email.  The most important to me being the moderating via
> sho> email.  Are these in the development version or planned for the
> Yes, Mailman version 2.1 is capable for admin commands via email. You
> can approve/deny any held message or (un)subscription if you reply to
> the listaddress and use the APPROVE: header with the necessary admin
> password.

Now for the next question.  What is the status of Mailman 2.1 like? 
 Is it stable enough to use in a production environment?  I am 
unsure as I have not been following this branch recently.
 
> The Pipermail is the weakest point of Mailman, you should try another
> archiving software, such as MHonarc or Hypermail. They can do a lot of
> trick and they can co-work with Mailman.

Thanks.  I will look into using it then.  Any suggestion of which 
would be better?  I have used mhonarc before and it works well but 
not sure about Hypermail or their interaction with Mailman.  Which 
set of documentation would I be able to find how to do this in?
 
Thanks for the help.

Cheers
Sean
---
Sean Preston      sean at hdnet.org



From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Tue Feb 26 12:15:29 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:15:29 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
In-Reply-To: <012c01c1bf03$e49aec90$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <000601c1beb6$e652b5b0$3900a8c0@PS3>

Hi there,

 Thanks for your comments. At the present I have Iplanet Messaging as
Mail server and Apache as WebServer.
 
 The web server component is working Ok. I just followed the
instructions.

 About the mail server the situation is:

  - The aliases for the mailing list are created.
  - Every mail for the list is redirected to the wrapper
  - I`ve tested the redirection of the mail with another script ... and
it worked.
  - No error appears on the iplanet logs
  - No error appears on the Mailman logs
  - UID`s are correct

Anyway ... when I send an email to the list, the users never receive it
back!

Any idea of what can be wrong, or who can I debug the process?

 Thanks again,

        Sergio Sousa
  

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Jon Carnes
Sent: ter?a-feira, 26 de Fevereiro de 2002 20:27
To: Sergio Sousa; 'Lista de discuss?es Mailman'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with
IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?

Of course it is possible to get Mailman working with Iplanet.  Read the
INSTALL file really well and do what it says.

For the web part, Iplanet has to have some way of activating a CGI.
Setup
the CGI's as described in the INSTALL file.  The script alias /mailman/
has
to be setup to go to ~mailman/cgi-bin/

If you want archives to work, then you have to accommodate pipermail as
well: /pipermail/ ==> ~mailman/archives/public

Additionally, when you install Mailman, you have to know what group ID
that
Iplanet runs as.  Mailman only allows users in that Group to access it's
CGI
programs and its scripts.

For the MTA part, all you need is the ability to put in aliases (that
run
scripts).

Iplanet is supposed to provide you with basic web functions, and basic
messaging functions.  Of course it goes well beyond those two simple
things.
Still, if it can *do* those two simple things, then it can work with
mailman.

None of us are going to figure out the details for you - we don't have
the
time.  If you don't have the time either, then hire someone to figure it
out.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sergio Sousa" <ssousa at whatevernet.com>
To: "'Lista de discuss?es Mailman'" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with
IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?


> Is this correct?
> I don't see any post about Iplanet .... I ask some questions about it,
> and nobody answer!
> Can anyone just tell me if it is possible put this solution to work?
> IPLANET+MAILMAN+SOLARIS
>
> Thanks again,
>
>  Sergio Sousa
>
>
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From jmeurer at gmx.de  Wed Feb 27 13:04:43 2002
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:04:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing contact-addr at listinfo+admin-mainpage
Message-ID: <20020227120443.GA2193@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

I already have posted this 1 week ago. Can nobody help me?
How can I change the 'send question or comments to'-Addr on the main-
listinfo and admin-page? The domain isn't right. I've set
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, but this mail-addr is still another hostname.

Bye
 Jonas

 
-- 
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when it is bad, it is better than nothing. -- Dick Brandon



From n-tropy at n-tropy.com  Wed Feb 27 15:34:58 2002
From: n-tropy at n-tropy.com (Flint Heart)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:34:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd Issues after install.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202270918440.1447-100000@chaos>

I seem to be encountering a VERY odd issue with mailman.  My system is a
bit odd to start with.  Its running debian stable with the 2.4 series
kernel and reiserfs fs.  Trying to log in as a user on the web causes a 
listing of allot of the contents of /dev/ .  seems like several of the web
interface pages work in this fashion.. I can admin things properly but
users just have no luck and I don't like the idea of a script dumping a
listing of the contents of my /dev/  Has anyone seen anything similar or 
have any suggestions for me to try.
Thanks,
N-Tropy




From sebold at lcms.org  Wed Feb 27 15:56:03 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:56:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] byte-compiling mm_cfg.py?
In-Reply-To: <p05101407b8a1c9c12cf1@[207.149.192.229]> (John W Baxter's
 message of "Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:30:28 -0800")
References: <87n0xwarxw.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>
	<p05101407b8a1c9c12cf1@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <87wuwzotx8.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>

On 14 Adar 5762, John W. Baxter wrote:

>>I would think not, unless one were prepared to recompile it every time
>>mm_cfg.py is changed.  Is that correct?
> 
> Let Python do its thing.  When a module is imported (which is what
> mm_cfg.py is and what happens to it in Mailman), and Python finds a
> .pyc file with a modified date older than that of the .py file, the
> .pyc is remade.
> 
> It's not supposed to be possible to import a stale .pyc file.  BUT...I
> suspect that with a little help from the touch command, one could
> confuse things.  (Modify the .py file, then set its modified date back
> using touch.  Don't do this for mission critical code.)

Thanks for the tip, I thought I remembered somebody saying that.

What happens if the .py and .pyc are owned by root:root, perm 644, and
Mailman is not running as root (of course)?  That's how Debian sets it
up.  Would Python import the .py or the .pyc, since it shouldn't be able
to remake the .pyc automatically?
-- 
Charles Sebold                                        15th of Adar, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems                http://unix.ois.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Wed Feb 27 16:39:14 2002
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:39:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wildcards in members accepted for posting
Message-ID: <20020227153914.GA4880@jonas.server0.de>

Hello,

Is it possible to set wildcards in the field 'Addresses of members
accepted for postings to this list without implicit approval
requirement' in Privacy Options?
Like every addr from domain xyz.com is allowed to post without approval
requirement.
If yes, how?
*@xyz.com
or
xyz.com

Thanks
   Jonas

-- 
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benutzen? Benutzt du auch N?gel, um einen Hammer in die Wand zu
schlagen?    --    Phillipp Schulte in doc



From anna at water.ca.gov  Wed Feb 27 18:41:51 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:41:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with
  IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020227094151.00ac4e40@storm>

> Can anyone just tell me if it is possible put this solution to work?
> IPLANET+MAILMAN+SOLARIS

Yes, I have Mailman on Solaris working with iPlanet.  However, I am using
sendmail as the mail server.
--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb 27 18:50:29 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:50:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing contact-addr at listinfo+admin-mainpage
References: <20020227120443.GA2193@jonas.server0.de>
Message-ID: <016001c1bfb7$3eeb4150$0b04010a@JCARNES>

As a last resort you can always go into the web-admin and simply edit the
page to show the proper information.
When editing the page, you will want to replace: <MM-Mailman-Footer> with
any html or text that you wish to appear instead.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonas Meurer" <jmeurer at gmx.de>
To: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:04 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing contact-addr at listinfo+admin-mainpage


> Hello,
>
> I already have posted this 1 week ago. Can nobody help me?
> How can I change the 'send question or comments to'-Addr on the main-
> listinfo and admin-page? The domain isn't right. I've set
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, but this mail-addr is still another hostname.
>
> Bye
>  Jonas
>
>
> --
> Documentation is like sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; and
> when it is bad, it is better than nothing. -- Dick Brandon
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb 27 18:57:53 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:57:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
References: <000601c1beb6$e652b5b0$3900a8c0@PS3>
Message-ID: <016801c1bfb8$47778f30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

>  Thanks for your comments. At the present I have Iplanet Messaging as
> Mail server and Apache as WebServer.
>
>  The web server component is working Ok. I just followed the
> instructions.
>
>  About the mail server the situation is:
>
>   - The aliases for the mailing list are created.
>   - Every mail for the list is redirected to the wrapper
>   - I`ve tested the redirection of the mail with another script ... and
> it worked.
>   - No error appears on the iplanet logs
>   - No error appears on the Mailman logs
>   - UID`s are correct

I assume you mean GID's here, since mailman does not use UID's but does use
Group ID's to check for rights...

>
> Anyway ... when I send an email to the list, the users never receive it
> back!
>
> Any idea of what can be wrong, or who can I debug the process?
>

Did you create a user called mailman and a group called mailman?  Did you
setup the crontab for the user mailman so that it runs qrunner every minute?
What happens when you run qrunner manually (check out the cron entries for
the valid format)?

Jon Carnes




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Feb 27 19:03:31 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reverse-chronological order
References: <006b01c1bf46$866eaa60$6401a8c0@asics>
Message-ID: <017401c1bfb9$10ac0b10$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Interestingly enough, my archives all have the latest emails at the top
(what you call reverse chronological order).  That seems to be the default.
I'm using Mailman version 2.0.8.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirez Korgan" <kirez at cornell.edu>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reverse-chronological order


> I would expect this is a very standard concern that people have: by
default,
> all my archives are in chronological order -- which is patently stupid.
This
> means that new messages accumulate toward the bottom, so on a high-volume
> list, you must scroll down the page to see the newest message.
>
> My question is: how can I change my archives to reverse-chronological
order?
> I was surprised that there was no toggle for this in the admindb.
>
> cheers,
> Kirez
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Tue Feb 26 19:24:14 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:24:14 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with     IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20020227100908.00ab71d0@storm>
Message-ID: <006801c1bef2$cb411e10$3900a8c0@PS3>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anna Fong [mailto:anna at water.ca.gov]
> Sent: quarta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2002 18:09
> To: Sergio Sousa
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with
> IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
> 
> Sergio,
> 
> In a subsequent message, you mentioned that you have the aliases
created.
> Did you run newaliases to rebuild the database for the mail aliases
file?


Iplanet Messaging Server doesn't require to run newaliases. In fact,
what I did wasn't create aliases ... but new users on LDAP that have
there emails as the aliases that should be created for each list.

> 
> You also mentioned that the redirection of the mail with another
script
> worked.  I assume you ran it locally.  Did you register the alias for
your
> list?

Yes .. it was run locally. What I did was create a script that writes de
input (the mail that arrives to the list alias) to a file. What I mean
with that is Iplanet is processing well the mail and sending it to the
script. When I replace with the correct script
(|/usr/local/mailman/wrapper post list) nothing happens.

> Also, did you check your syslog, system messages, or system mail?
> (/var/log/syslog, /var/adm/messages, /var/mail/)

For Iplanet ... and for Solaris ... everything is OK! Tha problem must
be on the wrapper application! Or in my Mailman configuration!

> Hope this helps,
> Anna
> 
> 
 Thanks for your support,

     Sergio Sousa

> 
> At 05:40 PM 02/26/2002 -0000, you wrote:
> >Thanks for your answer.
> >But my problem is that I use Iplanet Messaging as MTA ... anda Apache
as
> >WebServer.
> >I`ll try to find out what is the problema!
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> >    Sergio
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Anna Fong [mailto:anna at water.ca.gov]
> >Sent: quarta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2002 17:42
> >To: mailman-users at python.org
> >Cc: ssousa at whatevernet.com
> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with
> >IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
> >
> >> Can anyone just tell me if it is possible put this solution to
work?
> >> IPLANET+MAILMAN+SOLARIS
> >
> >Yes, I have Mailman on Solaris working with iPlanet.  However, I am
> >using
> >sendmail as the mail server.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster
> California Data Exchange Center



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From ezuck at nsicomm.com  Wed Feb 27 19:32:51 2002
From: ezuck at nsicomm.com (Eric Zuck)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to address is missing hostname.
Message-ID: <004d01c1bfbd$29f39d00$a5010a0a@nsicomm.com>

I am currently using mailman version 2.01.

I am set up on a Linux box (Redhat 7.0): say foobar in domain mydomain.com

Everything is woking pretty much OK.

I can post by sending to list at foobar.mydomain.com

The problem is that when I do a reply (replis are configured as to 'this
list'), the reply goes to:
    list at mydomain.com
When I want them to go to
    list at foobar.mydomain.com

I can get around this by setting an explicit return-to address, but this
doesn't work for the -owner etc. lists.

Is there something dimple that I can do? Something I've overlooked? Some
documentation I haven't read? (If RTFM, which manual?)


Thanks,
-Eric Zuck




From mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com  Wed Feb 27 21:53:16 2002
From: mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com (Maurice  Lafleur)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:53:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Release 2.1
Message-ID: <200202272053.g1RKrGL02858@superglide.netfx-2000.net>

Is it known yet:

A) When will MM 2.1 be available
B) If it will incorporate foreign language support for admin and lookup pages


Best regards,

MGL

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From jroesch at brainstorm-radio.net  Wed Feb 27 21:58:22 2002
From: jroesch at brainstorm-radio.net (Juergen Roesch)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:58:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error?
Message-ID: <039a01c1bfd1$7e9e7af0$1500a8c0@juergen>

Hello,


i have configged all as given in the INSTALL. And the Hosts in mm_cfg.py are also right.

but in the website the links have a ../ in front of all.

so the links from http://bsradio.tv/mailman/admin for the testlist goes to http://bsradio.tv/admin/test and that file doesn't exist.

Whats wrong???

thanx 4 help

Juergen
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Feb 27 22:14:46 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:14:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Release 2.1
Message-ID: <200202272115.g1RLFacW023309@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> A) When will MM 2.1 be available

Beta1 is due soon.  There were some bugs this week that were stomped
last night.  (I don't speak for Barry so I won't say anything about
schedules.)

> B) If it will incorporate foreign language support for admin and lookup pages

Absolutely.
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/NEWS?rev=2.28&con
tent-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup






From fdiaz at salvador.edu.ar  Wed Feb 27 13:53:23 2002
From: fdiaz at salvador.edu.ar (Eduardo Fabian Diaz Velez)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:53:23 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in Mailman 2.0.6
Message-ID: <NEBBLBINMLDOAOGGLHJBAEBEDAAA.fdiaz@salvador.edu.ar>

Hello ..

I Install the version 2.0.6 and  gives the following error, they could help
me
Thank you,
Fabian


@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 66, in run_main
    from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 18, in ?
    import time
ImportError: No module named time
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.2 (#1, Feb 26 2002, 13:08:59)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)]
sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
sys.path       = /usr/local
sys.platform   = sunos5
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
        SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.22 Ben-SSL/1.44 (Unix)
        SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
        SERVER_ADMIN: sistemas at salvador.edu.ar
        SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
        SERVER_SIGNATURE:
        REQUEST_METHOD: GET
        HTTP_HOST: www.mail.salvador.edu.ar
        SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
        QUERY_STRING:
        TZ: GMT+3
        REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin
        HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
        HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
        HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
        SERVER_NAME: www.mail.salvador.edu.ar
        REMOTE_ADDR: 200.47.54.72
        REMOTE_PORT: 2288
        HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: es-ar
        SERVER_PORT: 80
        GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
        HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
        SERVER_ADDR: 10.250.6.2
        DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs




From cms at balius.com  Wed Feb 27 19:29:55 2002
From: cms at balius.com (cms at balius.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:29:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with
 IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
Message-ID: <68c086cf.86cf68c0@amotken.com>

Serigo,

NMS and iMS are _not_ the same product.  I hate what we (I work for 
Sun) did with the branding.  Most products we simply rebranded iPlanet 
but when it comes to mail that really is not fair and it could be the 
same thing for other products as well.

iMS is the best components of 3 products, PMDF (MTA), SIMS (Domain 
Hosting), and NMS (store,pop,imap,webmail).  Note that SIMS gets its 
MTA from PMDF as well.

>From the other posts that I've read you are using NMS 4.15.  If your 
software license premits it upgrade to iMS as fast as you can.  (iMS 
5.2 may have just RTM'd today.)  I've done such upgrades not hard to 
do.  The learning curve is the MTA.

While I run mailman here at home, due to local issues, it runs on a 
different machine than iMS.  Mailman uses the local MTA (sendmail) 
which then forwards everything off to iMS for delivery.

Eventually I'll migrate the mailman installation I have running over to 
be all iMS.  Majordomo and Mailman have similar interfaces with the MTA 
(wrapper) and since I know that Majordomo has been done with PMDF, I'm 
willing to bet that Mailman can be integrated with iMS.

As for NMS, I am blissfully ignorant about most parts of it.  I know 
many us in Sun can not wait until that product is EOL'd.

Regards,
Chad



----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with 
IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?

> >  Thanks for your comments. At the present I have Iplanet 
> Messaging as
> > Mail server and Apache as WebServer.
> >
> >  The web server component is working Ok. I just followed the
> > instructions.
> >
> >  About the mail server the situation is:
> >
> >   - The aliases for the mailing list are created.
> >   - Every mail for the list is redirected to the wrapper
> >   - I`ve tested the redirection of the mail with another script 
> ... and
> > it worked.
> >   - No error appears on the iplanet logs
> >   - No error appears on the Mailman logs
> >   - UID`s are correct
> 
> I assume you mean GID's here, since mailman does not use UID's but 
> does use
> Group ID's to check for rights...
> 
> >
> > Anyway ... when I send an email to the list, the users never 
> receive it
> > back!
> >
> > Any idea of what can be wrong, or who can I debug the process?
> >
> 
> Did you create a user called mailman and a group called mailman?  
> Did you
> setup the crontab for the user mailman so that it runs qrunner 
> every minute?
> What happens when you run qrunner manually (check out the cron 
> entries for
> the valid format)?
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From jmeurer at gmx.de  Wed Feb 27 23:49:10 2002
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:49:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing contact-addr at listinfo+admin-mainpage
In-Reply-To: <016001c1bfb7$3eeb4150$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <20020227120443.GA2193@jonas.server0.de> <016001c1bfb7$3eeb4150$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20020227224910.GA8125@jonas.server0.de>

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 12:50:29PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > How can I change the 'send question or comments to'-Addr on the main-
> > listinfo and admin-page? The domain isn't right. I've set
> > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, but this mail-addr is still another hostname.

> As a last resort you can always go into the web-admin and simply edit the
> page to show the proper information.
> When editing the page, you will want to replace: <MM-Mailman-Footer> with
> any html or text that you wish to appear instead.

Ok, I found the problem.
There is an option MAILMAN_OWNER in Defaults.py. And DEFAULT_HOSTNAME is
used. But I redefine DEFAULT_HOSTNAME in mm_cfg.py. So MAILMAN_OWNER was set
with the wrong Defaults.py-hostname. Now I just redefine MAILMAN_OWNER in
mm_cfg.py, and it works well.

Thanks
   Jonas
   
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From jroesch at brainstorm-radio.net  Thu Feb 28 00:16:27 2002
From: jroesch at brainstorm-radio.net (Juergen Roesch)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:16:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error?
References: <039a01c1bfd1$7e9e7af0$1500a8c0@juergen>
Message-ID: <058001c1bfe4$c8840af0$1500a8c0@juergen>

the original problem was removed...

but now i have a new:

The original message was received at Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:37:59 +0100
from smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tescht"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <tescht-request at bsradio.tv>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 47.  (Reconfigure to take 47?)
554 5.3.0 "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tescht"... unknown mailer error 2


could somone help?



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Juergen Roesch 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:58 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error?


  Hello,


  i have configged all as given in the INSTALL. And the Hosts in mm_cfg.py are also right.

  but in the website the links have a ../ in front of all.

  so the links from http://bsradio.tv/mailman/admin for the testlist goes to http://bsradio.tv/admin/test and that file doesn't exist.

  Whats wrong???

  thanx 4 help

  Juergen
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From sterling at sumgai.co.uk  Thu Feb 28 01:33:38 2002
From: sterling at sumgai.co.uk (E. Sterling Wall)
Date: 28 Feb 2002 00:33:38 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email administration
Message-ID: <1014856420.1782.152.camel@basil.localdomain>

Hello,

	I am wondering if there is a way to subscribe users as an admin using
an email interface. What I am trying to do is write a script that will
take information from a new member sign up form at one Web site and
subscribe that individual to email lists on a different server. That's
why neither the command line interface nor the Web-based interface
really serve this particular purpose.

	I did mess with the listname-request at server option, but that signs
people up as themselves, and so the request still needs to be approved
by an admin on the Website. The whole point of this is to take out the
extra subscription steps that the volunteer admins are doing now while
still ensuring that the users are going through the correct Membership
Form (ie not subscribing to the listserv without having signed up as a
member of the organization). 

	What I need is an equivalent to the majordomo email command where you
send something like 
subscribe <address> <admin-password> . Does such a thing exist?

- sterling
-- 

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http://www.sumgai.co.uk
p. 01628 780738
m. 07880 642194




From scba at beeze.com  Thu Feb 28 02:43:54 2002
From: scba at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:43:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending Subscriptions
Message-ID: <018b01c1bff9$627792d0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

I used dumpdb on pending_subscriptions.db and found a whole list of
subscriptions in there waiting to be processed. However, I don't know what
lists they're for. Is there any way to find out? I tried looking at the
individual requests.db for each list, but they are all empty. We have over
80 lists on our system and I don't relish the idea of having to go to the
web interface for each one to check for pending subscriptions!

-- Sarah
Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Feb 28 04:08:26 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending Subscriptions
In-Reply-To: <018b01c1bff9$627792d0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>
References: <018b01c1bff9$627792d0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <0bd2c4307031c22FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

Is there no header information stored with the requests?  The header should 
contain the TO: which indicates the requested list.

 --- Original Message: Wednesday 27 February 2002 08:43 pm ---
> I used dumpdb on pending_subscriptions.db and found a whole list of
> subscriptions in there waiting to be processed. However, I don't know what
> lists they're for. Is there any way to find out? I tried looking at the
> individual requests.db for each list, but they are all empty. We have over
> 80 lists on our system and I don't relish the idea of having to go to the
> web interface for each one to check for pending subscriptions!
>
> -- Sarah
> Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ssousa at whatevernet.com  Wed Feb 27 12:04:17 2002
From: ssousa at whatevernet.com (Sergio Sousa)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:04:17 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I Suppose that MailMan doesn't work with IPLANET/NETSCAPE Messaging?
In-Reply-To: <016801c1bfb8$47778f30$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <001d01c1bf7e$7fbc5cc0$3900a8c0@PS3>

 
> I assume you mean GID's here, since mailman does not use UID's but
does
> use
> Group ID's to check for rights...

Yes .. I was talking about the GID.


> Did you create a user called mailman and a group called mailman?  Did
you
> setup the crontab for the user mailman so that it runs qrunner every
> minute?
> What happens when you run qrunner manually (check out the cron entries
for
> the valid format)?

Yes I did all that ... except run qrunner manually. And the problem was
on the cron daemon. Thanks for all your help.
Now everything is working very well!!

Thanks all,

   		Sergio Sousa


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From paul at rubinsoftware.com  Thu Feb 28 15:53:07 2002
From: paul at rubinsoftware.com (Paul Rubin)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting all list members
Message-ID: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOKEMHDMAA.paul@rubinsoftware.com>

I am trying to support someone who wants to manage the subscriber list off
of mailman and then upload the current list to mailman.  Adding may members
is easy, but removal is a problem.  I determined that I could make a script
that:
  1.. config_list -o
  2.. rmlist
  3.. newlist
  4.. config_list -i
This only has one short coming, the list password.  I can get the list
owner's e-mail from the config but not the password.  Can anyone suggest a
way to recover the password?

Thanks.
Paul.
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From freymann at scaryg.shacknet.nu  Thu Feb 28 16:38:43 2002
From: freymann at scaryg.shacknet.nu (ScaryG)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:38:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install Mailman 2.0 - odd python errors in cron jobs
Message-ID: <20020228103843.4f4e1dc8.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>

Hey folks!

I installed mailman2.0 yesterday on one of my FreeBSD (4.4-R) systems. I
installed Python from ports:

Python 2.2 (#1, Feb 27 2002, 14:11:31)
GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release) [FreeBSD]] on freebsd4

Everything is working fine, except for when the cron jobs run, each one
spits back some python errors. I get about 4-5 emails with these error
messages every 3 or 4 minutes. This means HUNDREDS in a day and they are
really annoying!

I get stuff like:

/home/mailman/cron/qrunner:0: SyntaxWarning: name '_listcache' is assigned
to before global declaration/usr/local/lib/python2.2/regsub.py:15:
DeprecationWarning: the regsub module is deprecated; please use re.sub() 
DeprecationWarning)

and

/usr/local/lib/python2.2/regsub.py:15: DeprecationWarning: the regsub
module is deprecated; please use re.sub()  DeprecationWarning)

I added a filter rule to direct the cron job emails to the trash and got
442 back in about a 12 hour period.

Any suggestions on how to tame this beast?

Thanks.
Gerry.



From freymann at scaryg.shacknet.nu  Thu Feb 28 17:07:19 2002
From: freymann at scaryg.shacknet.nu (ScaryG)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:07:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install Mailman 2.0 - odd python errors in cron jobs
In-Reply-To: <200202281542.JAA12450@goldenrod.propagation.net>
References: <20020228103843.4f4e1dc8.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>
	<200202281542.JAA12450@goldenrod.propagation.net>
Message-ID: <20020228110719.27bcdbdb.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu>

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:47:14 -0500
Chris Hedemark <chris at yonderway.com> wrote:

> What *specific* version of Mailman are you running?

 I downloaded mailman-2.0.tar.gz

> And Python?

 That was noted in my message as well...

> > Python 2.2 (#1, Feb 27 2002, 14:11:31)
> > GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release) [FreeBSD]] on freebsd4

gf.



From bramk at gx.nl  Thu Feb 28 18:08:23 2002
From: bramk at gx.nl (Bram de Kruijff)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:08:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thread not shown allthough In-Reply-To present
Message-ID: <6C9EC88CAD726B49A43EE2E2B2AD6E534EB6C8@maul.gx.nl>

Hi all,

allthough I found a lot of questions about why mailman/pipermail
doesn't show threads when mail is transferred by outlook/exchange
in the archives, unfortuanatly no answer solves my problem ;( 

I read in one of the posts that threading is done based on..

- Message-ID
- References
- In-Reply-To

.. and that it should even fallback on topic if all else fails...

But then why doesn't it work? According to the mbox of my archive
mesasages sent by outlook/exchange users don't contain a References
header but DO contain Message-ID and In-Reply-To headers.
In the same archive messages sent with mutt do contain a References
header and are shown threaded

Does pipermail realy check the In-Reply-To?
Is something wrong with the format used? eg;
 
In-Reply-To: <6C9EC88CAD726B49A43EE2E2B2AD6E5383E93C at maul.gx.nl>

any ideas?
thanks in advance!

Bram
_____________________________________________________________
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From max at lsit.ucsb.edu  Thu Feb 28 19:04:55 2002
From: max at lsit.ucsb.edu (Max Kalika)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:04:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner errors and delays
Message-ID: <14750000.1014919495@valkyrie>

Greetings list,

We have been noticing intermittent qrunner errors (in the qrunner log) like 
the following:

Feb 28 09:30:00 2002 (29548) Exception reading qfile: 
/mail/lists/qfiles/4a892b3f09e5f910ea6baa3362cf6048ef09c865
EOF read where object expected

The error log also has a ton of these:

Feb 28 09:52:00 2002 qrunner(31630): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 28 09:52:00 2002 qrunner(31630):   File 
"/usr/local/webapps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Feb 28 09:52:00 2002 qrunner(31630):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 28 09:52:00 2002 qrunner(31630):   File 
"/usr/local/webapps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main
Feb 28 09:52:00 2002 qrunner(31630):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Feb 28 09:52:00 2002 qrunner(31630): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or 
directory: '/mail/lists/qfiles/dca77c
d596314ee9e3eeaf047b21f34c179dc16e.db

This may be related to random delays on some lists (from 20 minutes to 
several hours)

Would anyone have any information on how to resolve this?  Thanks in 
advance.

Here's the system setup:

SYSTEM:
  linux kernel 2.4.16; glibc 2.2.4; gcc-2.95.3; python 2.1.2; mailman 2.0.8
  sendmail 8.11.6

PERMISSIONS:
drwxrwsr-x   10 mailman  mailman       240 Apr 15  2001 lists
drwxrwsr-x    4 root     mailman        96 Apr 15  2001 lists/archives
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman     11072 Feb 28 09:54 lists/data
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman        80 Jan  5 18:03 lists/filters
drwxrwsr-x  490 root     mailman     13520 Feb 25 09:47 lists/lists
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman       336 Feb 28 09:56 lists/locks
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman       280 Sep 13 14:10 lists/logs
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      2736 Feb 28 09:56 lists/qfiles
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman       448 Feb 25 21:37 lists/spam

drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan  5 18:03 mailman/bin
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan  5 18:03 mailman/cgi-bin
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan  5 18:04 mailman/cron
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan  5 18:03 mailman/icons
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan  5 18:03 mailman/mail
drwxrwsr-x    8 root     mailman      4096 Feb 13 11:16 mailman/Mailman
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan  5 18:04 mailman/scripts
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 Jan  7 09:38 mailman/templates

# ./check_perms
No problems found

CRONTAB:
  30   15    *    *    1-5   mailman /usr/local/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/webapps/mailman/cron/checkdbs
  00   12    *    *    *     mailman /usr/local/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/webapps/mailman/cron/senddigests
 */2   *     *    *    *     mailman /usr/local/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/webapps/mailman/cron/qrunner


---max kalika
--max at lsit.ucsb.edu
-lsit systems administrator



From camel at lrllamas.com  Thu Feb 28 20:03:31 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
Message-ID: <20020228190331.7DA778800@camel.lrllamas.com>

Someone remind me how to fix this (or make it stop)

Feb 28 10:25:02 2002 (15932) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 28 10:53:02 2002 (16194) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 28 13:50:03 2002 (17701) Could not acquire qrunner lock
etc..etc..etc..
-- 
Jay S. Curtis
MM 2.0.8



From kirez at cornell.edu  Thu Feb 28 19:07:19 2002
From: kirez at cornell.edu (Kirez Korgan)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why did the archive quit updating?
Message-ID: <02fb01c1c082$c45dfd20$6401a8c0@asics>

Messages are going out by email, but the web archive has not shown any new
messages for several hours.

What is the likely cause? What can I do to fix it?  I'm running v.2.0.8 on a
Linux box with Apache.

Kirez




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Feb 28 20:39:21 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:39:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: <20020228190331.7DA778800@camel.lrllamas.com>
References: <20020228190331.7DA778800@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <20020228193921.GO5066@merlins.org>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:03:31PM -0500, Jay S Curtis wrote:
> Someone remind me how to fix this (or make it stop)
> 
> Feb 28 10:25:02 2002 (15932) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Feb 28 10:53:02 2002 (16194) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Feb 28 13:50:03 2002 (17701) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> etc..etc..etc..

check if qrunner is running
yes) do a strace -f -p pidofqrunner 
     to see what it's busy doing
no)  remove the qrunner lock in ~mailman/locks/

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Feb 28 20:54:05 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:54:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: <F88j3tyfrnwoYnFKwdG00013b8d@hotmail.com>
References: <F88j3tyfrnwoYnFKwdG00013b8d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20020228195405.GQ5066@merlins.org>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 07:48:45PM +0000, Michael Johnson wrote:
> More importantly, how to prevent such things as future occurences. 
> Certainly, manually checking and removing the lock may work on a per 
> instance basis, but, in reality, it appears less than ideal. This problem 
> happens way to frequently. Would changing the frequency depending the 
> system of qrunner cron alleviate difficult locks? Is this a race condition 
> issue with qrunner?

Unless you  are having  crashes (like  a bad  message crashing  qrunner), in
which case, it should show up in your mailman logs (~mailman/logs/), qrunner
doesn't just casually die and leave a lock behind.
At least, it doesn't on my sites.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From camel at lrllamas.com  Thu Feb 28 20:58:30 2002
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: <F88j3tyfrnwoYnFKwdG00013b8d@hotmail.com>
References: <F88j3tyfrnwoYnFKwdG00013b8d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20020228195830.5AA988800@camel.lrllamas.com>

Hmmm.. qrunner not running & no lockfile found
(using postfix)
Am I barking up the wrong tree?

On Thursday 28 February 2002 02:48 pm, you wrote:
> More importantly, how to prevent such things as future occurences.
> Certainly, manually checking and removing the lock may work on a per
> instance basis, but, in reality, it appears less than ideal. This problem
> happens way to frequently. Would changing the frequency depending the
> system of qrunner cron alleviate difficult locks? Is this a race condition
> issue with qrunner?
>
>
> From: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com>
>
<<snip>>



From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Feb 28 22:22:25 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:22:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
In-Reply-To: <20020228195830.5AA988800@camel.lrllamas.com>
References: <F88j3tyfrnwoYnFKwdG00013b8d@hotmail.com> <20020228195830.5AA988800@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <20020228212224.GR5066@merlins.org>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:58:30PM -0500, Jay S Curtis wrote:
> Hmmm.. qrunner not running & no lockfile found
> (using postfix)
> Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Hold on, so you are saying that your qrunner is running once a minute from
cron, that it complains that it's finding a lockfile and hence doesn't run,
but that you can't find a lockfile?

If so, run the cron entry by hand under strace
Something like:
su - mailman
strace -f /usr/bin/python -S /var/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

Hopefully that will give you a clue as to why it's not running

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From jomccall at informaxinc.com  Thu Feb 28 16:02:53 2002
From: jomccall at informaxinc.com (Joseph McCall)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeat messages - FollowUp-Summary
In-Reply-To: <022301c1be23$49cb5640$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <004701c1c068$fff3bce0$10144c0a@intranet>

All the permissions look good and the headers don't indicate looping
membership. Some good ideas and certainly appreciated.

The final clue to the puzzle (I think) is that the last two times this has
occurred (previously with Mailman 2.0.5):

	a) the recipients had left the company we were mailing to
	b) they had set up forwarding and
	c) they had set up auto-reply ("I no longer am with...")
	d) (interesting) the receiving mail systems were both running Novell
GroupWise

I'm taking the low-road and blaming the receiving end not returning proper
notification of delivery (though my logs show that they deliveries were
successful).

Anywho, thanks for the replies!

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:39 PM
To: Joseph McCall; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Repeat messages


Looks like the lock files are not working... is the "sticky" bit set
properly on the directory structure?

It looks like qrunner is kicking off every minute (as it is set to do...)
and that it is processing the message in the queue as though no other
qrunner process is running.  The only reason I can think of for it to do
that, would be the lock file not working.  Ordinarily qrunner would see the
lock file on the list and then ignore those messages.

Ahhhh... Here is a long shot - Look at the message headers and see if the
messages are looping.  Could your list be a member of your list?  That would
have the same effect.  Also, someone on the list forwarding their mail to
the list would cause similar damage - those tricky end users!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph McCall" <jomccall at informaxinc.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:02 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeat messages


> Although I know the answer will be "check your MTA" I thought I'd throw
this
> one out to the list anyway.
>
> RH 7.1 + Postfix (chroot'd) + Mailman 2.0.8
>
> Sending out a newsletter to ~12000 subscribers. One group of addresses,
all
> at the same domain, received multiple copies of the email (~20 each).
Every
> entry in maillog is identical except for the timestamp and shows
status=sent
> (250 Ok). IP's and names replaced to protected the harassed.
>
> Feb 24 23:31:03 lists postfix/smtp[13929]: 049AA27294:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:32:04 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: C9FC2272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:33:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: C1A7B272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:34:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: 8F5C1272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:35:02 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: 35766272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=0,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
> Feb 24 23:36:03 lists postfix/smtp[14206]: EFED6272AC:
> to=<name at replaced.com>, relay=smtp.replaced.com[1.2.3.4], delay=1,
> status=sent (250 Ok)
>
> It's doing this retry every minute, per qrunner cron job I suppose.
>
> Users are only subscribed once, strings on config.db show the users have
> three entries each (which everyone appears to have).
>
> In Postfix I've altered the queue lifetime and set the minimal retry time
to
> 10 hours to limit repeated sends.
>
> To top it all off, after shutting down Postfix and clearing the queues,
the
> repeats started again once Postfix was back up. Shutdown, cleared
> everything, rebooted the server, back up, same problem. Two addresses at
the
> same domain continue to get hammered. Recursive grep'ing on mailman
> directory shows only the config.db and config.db.last file have entries
for
> the user's names.
>
> Any ideas? What else can I check?
>
> Joe McCall
> UNIX Administrator
> Informax, Inc.
> http://www.informaxinc.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From sub at sub.unibe.ch  Thu Feb 28 17:30:34 2002
From: sub at sub.unibe.ch (Daniel Furter (SUB))
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:30:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe all
Message-ID: <a05100311b8a40a89148c@[130.92.166.230]>

hello

in the mailman version 2.0beta5 we have installed at our university 
the <subscribe all> button in the menu <administrative requests for 
mailing list> has disappeared. i appreciated this function very much. 
now i have to click dozens of times to subscribe all new members. 
before i had to click just once. please but the <subscribe all> 
button back in the new mailman versions.

thanks.
dAniel furter



From matthewb at saepio.com  Thu Feb 28 17:37:15 2002
From: matthewb at saepio.com (Matthew Boeckman)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:37:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] old emails into mailman?
Message-ID: <3C7E5CBB.4000403@saepio.com>

Hello list!

	We have just started using mailman for our techsupport stuff, and I 
wanted to try and propogate the archives with some old emails we have, 
without actually re-spamming the existing list. Is this as easy as 
catting them to the listname.mbox files? Is there anything that would 
need to be done to get these into the archives?

TIA!

-- 
Matthew Boeckman			(816) 777-2160
Manager - Systems Integration		Saepio Technologies
== 
						==
/earth is 98% full ... please delete anyone you can.




From bramk at gx.nl  Thu Feb 28 17:45:50 2002
From: bramk at gx.nl (Bram de Kruijff)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:45:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thread not shown allthough In-Reply-To present
Message-ID: <6C9EC88CAD726B49A43EE2E2B2AD6E534EB6C6@maul.gx.nl>

Hi all,

allthough I found a lot of questions about why mailman/pipermail
doesn't show threads when mail is transferred by outlook/exchange
in the archives, but unfortuanatly no answer that solves the 
problem ;( 

I read in one of the posts that threading is done based on;

- Message-ID
- References
- In-Reply-To

But then why doesn't it work? According to the mbox of my archive
mesasages sent by outlook/exchange users don't contain a References
header but DO contain Message-ID and In-Reply-To headers.
In the same archive messages sent with mutt do contain a References
header and are shown threaded

Does pipermail realy check the In-Reply-To?
Is something wrong with the format used? eg;
 
In-Reply-To: <6C9EC88CAD726B49A43EE2E2B2AD6E5383E93C at maul.gx.nl>

any ideas?
thanks in advance!

Bram
_____________________________________________________________
  Bram de Kruijff___________ <GX> creative online development
_______________________ http://www.gx.nl | mailto:bramk at gx.nl




From fdiaz at salvador.edu.ar  Thu Feb 28 20:32:15 2002
From: fdiaz at salvador.edu.ar (Eduardo Fabian Diaz Velez)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:32:15 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pro
Message-ID: <NEBBLBINMLDOAOGGLHJBCEDEDAAA.fdiaz@salvador.edu.ar>

Hello ..

I Install the version 2.0.6 or 2.0.8 and  gives the following error, they
could help me

Installation options
./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=
nobody


Thank you,
Fabian

[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 66, in run_main
    from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 18, in ?
    import time
ImportError: No module named time
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.2 (#1, Feb 26 2002, 13:08:59)
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)]
sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
sys.path       = /usr/local
sys.platform   = sunos5
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
        SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.22 Ben-SSL/1.44 (Unix)
        SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
        SERVER_ADMIN: sistemas at salvador.edu.ar
        SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
        SERVER_SIGNATURE:
        REQUEST_METHOD: GET
        HTTP_HOST: www.mail.salvador.edu.ar
        SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
        QUERY_STRING:
        TZ: GMT+3
        REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin
        HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
        HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
        HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
        SERVER_NAME: www.mail.salvador.edu.ar
        REMOTE_ADDR: 200.47.54.70
        REMOTE_PORT: 4122
        HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: es-ar
        SERVER_PORT: 80
        GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
        HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
        SERVER_ADDR: 10.250.6.2
        DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs




From xyllah at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 28 19:48:45 2002
From: xyllah at hotmail.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:48:45 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
Message-ID: <F88j3tyfrnwoYnFKwdG00013b8d@hotmail.com>

More importantly, how to prevent such things as future occurences. 
Certainly, manually checking and removing the lock may work on a per 
instance basis, but, in reality, it appears less than ideal. This problem 
happens way to frequently. Would changing the frequency depending the system 
of qrunner cron alleviate difficult locks? Is this a race condition issue 
with qrunner?


>From: "Marc MERLIN" <marc_news at vasoftware.com>
>To: "Jay S Curtis" <camel at lrllamas.com>
>CC: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner lock
>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:39:21 -0800
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>
>On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 02:03:31PM -0500, Jay S Curtis wrote:
> > Someone remind me how to fix this (or make it stop)
> >
> > Feb 28 10:25:02 2002 (15932) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Feb 28 10:53:02 2002 (16194) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Feb 28 13:50:03 2002 (17701) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > etc..etc..etc..
>
>check if qrunner is running
>yes) do a strace -f -p pidofqrunner
>      to see what it's busy doing
>no)  remove the qrunner lock in ~mailman/locks/
>
>Marc
>--
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>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet 
>cooking
>
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Thu Feb 28 23:36:34 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:36:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe all
In-Reply-To: <a05100311b8a40a89148c@[130.92.166.230]>
References: <a05100311b8a40a89148c@[130.92.166.230]>
Message-ID: <20020228223633.GV5066@merlins.org>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 05:30:34PM +0100, Daniel Furter (SUB) wrote:
> hello
> 
> in the mailman version 2.0beta5 we have installed at our university 
> the <subscribe all> button in the menu <administrative requests for 
> mailing list> has disappeared. i appreciated this function very much. 
> now i have to click dozens of times to subscribe all new members. 
> before i had to click just once. please but the <subscribe all> 
> button back in the new mailman versions.

You should start by upgrading to 2.0.8

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com  Thu Feb 28 23:43:50 2002
From: mlafleur at linuxfreemail.com (Maurice  Lafleur)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:43:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] old emails into mailman?
Message-ID: <200202282243.g1SMhoT18115@superglide.netfx-2000.net>

Hi Matthew,

here's what I do, hoping it's the right thing. PLEASE ANYONE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG :-)

I cat the old archive file (I've got tons of them) one year at the time with the list.mbox file:

#cd ~/archive/private/list.mbox
#cat old-archive.txt list.mbox > newlist.mbox

Then I temporarily save the old mbox:

#mv list.mbox list.mbox.keep

then I rename the new mbox to the right name:

#mv newlist.mbox list.mbox

I save the old archive folder

#mv ~/archive/private/list ~/archive/private/list.keep

Finally, I rebuild the new archive:

#~/bin/arch list

After chewing on the new message file the system write the new archive file.
I check it from a browser and if it works I dump:

rm -rf ~/archive/private/list.keep
rm ~/archive/private/list.mbox/list.mbox.keep

I'm just wondering about one thing: my server is very small scale memory and cpu-wise (200 mmx/ 64M ram). Last time I added a year to 
the archive it took the system well over 2 hours to reconstruct the archive file. And it seems to be getting worse every time I add a new 
year to the archive file. Is this normal? Do I need to reconstruct the archive file one year a the time or I could just cat all the remaining 
years in front of the current messages in the file and let the system chew on that for a (very) long while once and for all?

good luck to you Matthew

and thanks to the rest of you guys

MGL

> Hello list!
> 
> 	We have just started using mailman for our techsupport stuff, and I 
> wanted to try and propogate the archives with some old emails we have, 
> without actually re-spamming the existing list. Is this as easy as 
> catting them to the listname.mbox files? Is there anything that would 
> need to be done to get these into the archives?
> 
> TIA!
> 
> -- 
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> Manager - Systems Integration		Saepio Technologies
> == 
> 						==
> /earth is 98% full ... please delete anyone you can.
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From dhowsden at morganmyers.com  Thu Feb 28 23:51:53 2002
From: dhowsden at morganmyers.com (Darrel Howsden)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman configuration question
Message-ID: <06256B6E.007D9A3F.00@scooby.morganmyers.com>


Is it possible to configure Mailman to use the To: vs the Bcc: areas for
outgoing postings?  Our concern is that someone may subscribe to a list from a
hotmail account and if they have the Junk Mail feature turned on with Delete
Immediately, they'll never see any of the posts.

Darrel Howsden
IT Manager
Morgan & Myers