[Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

[Ted M Harapat]

Hello Scott. 

So far, everything is keeping the "mailman:mailman" settings through all the 
cron jobs running (over the two days I've been working on this). The only other 
file permissions anywhere in the setup are the ones owned by "nobody:mailman". 
I'm pretty sure thats because apache created them and their group was set by 
either the sticky bit or the SGID cgi files. I don't think whats happening to 
you is similar to what's happening to me.

I'm sure you've heard this before, but make sure your cron is running the 
included cron jobs as "mailman".

-ted

Quoting Scott Spence <scott at noggon.com>:

> Ted,
> 
> as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron
> job
> runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
> cron to be run as mailman:mailman) This may help me trouble shoot a
> problem I have been happening where the permissions are changing to be
> mail:mail (in my case) and thereby not allowing the webserver to
> access
> them.
> 
> If the cookie problem is likely rember to restart your browser (or open
> a
> new one) these are sometimes loaded on program launch (MS IE anyway)
> and
> even if you have deleted the cookie this will be required.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Scott
> 
>  On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ted M Harapat wrote:
> 
> > Well, I did look around the install and compared it to my other
> system's 2.0.6
> > install and it seemed very similar in the way the rights were set. The
> config.db
> > file (in this particular list) is owned by nobody (which apache is
> running as)
> > and group of mailman. In fact, I just checked and every file in the
> mailman home
> > dir is either owned by the user or group of mailman.
> >
> > After my previous email to you, I even did something far fetched to
> make sure I
> > could write to it. I made a copy of the mailman home dir (preserving
> > permissions) and did a recursive chmod 777 against the original
> mailman
> > directory. And then ran the website... it STILL didn't let me save
> info. I
> > wouldn't think so otherwise but with results like that, I would think
> that it
> > must be something outside of that directory. I deleted that directory
> and copied
> > my backup dir back over it.
> >
> > I just don't have any ideas... I could reinstall it again.. but I'm
> not so sure
> > that doing so would help me.
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> >
> > > Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db
> of
> > > your
> > > test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the
> > > ~mailman/logs/...
> > > Also are there any errors in the apache logs?
> > >
> > > Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or
> info!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thats a great idea.
> > > >
> > > > Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list
> server
> > > and
> > > virtual
> > > > website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx
> to
> > > the
> > > > localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I
> > > authenticated
> > > and went
> > > > to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened.
> I
> > > told
> > > lynx
> > > > to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
> > > >
> > > > I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many
> past
> > > archives but
> > > > am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
> > > >
> > > > -ted
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes
> the
> > > > > virtual
> > > > > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to
> "think" it
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens
> when
> > > you
> > > > > access
> > > > > the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really
> nice
> > > way
> > > > > to
> > > > > troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's
> doing)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > > > To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings
> or
> > > info!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape
> 4.79
> > > but
> > > > > the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > thing happened.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should
> add.
> > > The
> > > > > hostname
> > > > > > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a
> brand
> > > new
> > > > > system
> > > > > thats
> > > > > > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply
> set
> > > up
> > > > > my
> > > > > local
> > > > > > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it.
> Oh,
> > > and
> > > > > this
> > > > > is also
> > > > > > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why
> I
> > > had
> > > > > to do
> > > > > that
> > > > > > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Could either of those two things matter?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -ted
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question... 
> Undoubtedly
> > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle
> the
> > > new
> > > > > cookie
> > > > > > > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie,
> the
> > > > > > > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus
> none
> > > of
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > changes are accepted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions
> of
> > > IE
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web
> > > site
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that
> > > works...
> > > > > except
> > > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad
> things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> > > > > > > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings
> or
> > > info!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past
> year
> > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > worked
> > > > > > > near
> > > > > > > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked
> > > out.
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > > installed
> > > > > > > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and
> sent
> > > some
> > > > > mails
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface
> to
> > > start
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > configure
> > > > > > > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the
> > > problem
> > > > > started.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > put in
> > > > > > > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went
> to
> > > that
> > > > > next
> > > > > > > page
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried
> > > > > non-useradd
> > > > > > > features and
> > > > > > > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've
> checked
> > > > > > > permissions to
> > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in
> his
> > > home
> > > > > > > directory.
> > > > > > > I even
> > > > > > > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall
> but
> > > that
> > > > > > > produced
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so
> > > > > drastically
> > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I
> can't
> > > > > figure
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > out. Can
> > > > > > > > anyone make any suggestions?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and
> they
> > > are
> > > > > > > reporting
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > errors related to the mailman account or directories or
> > > > > permissions.
> > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > appears perfectly correct.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please advise.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -ted
> > > > > > > >
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