From barry at zope.com Tue Jan 1 00:58:41 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:58:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.1 alpha 4 Message-ID: <15408.64433.621204.651734@anthem.wooz.org> Hi all, Just wanted to let you know that I've released Mailman 2.1 alpha 4. Below is the big list of changes with this release. This will be the last alpha release for 2.1, but this still leaves open the possibility of a few new features in MM2.1. I've got everything in that I intend to get in. If you've got a pet new feature -- and have code that implements it -- please do remind me about it now and I'll work on getting in what I can for the first beta. Apologies for falling so far behind in the mailing list traffic. This is admittedly a bit of a rushed release. I really wanted to get this out before the end of the year (in my timezone at least ;). Depending on my other real-job commitments, I'll be spending all my spare time getting bugs fixed and moving toward the 2.1 final release. I'm shooting for release by the Python conference in February, but I don't know if I'll make it. Cheers, and happy new year to you all. I-swear-the-X-Oblique-Strategy-was-chosen-random-ly y'rs, -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- 2.1 alpha 4 (31-Dec-2001) - The administrative requests database page (admindb) has been redesigned for better usability when there are lots of held postings. Changes include: o A summary page which groups held messages by sender email address. On this page you can dispose of all the sender's messages in one action. You can also view the details of all the sender's messages, or the details of a single message. You can also add the sender to one of the list's sender filters. o A details page where you can view all messages, just those for a particular sender, or just a single held message. This details page is laid out the same as the old admindb page. o The instructions have been shorted on the summary and details page, with links to more detailed explanations. - Bounce processing o Mailman now keeps track of the reason a member's delivery has been disabled: explicitly by the administrator, explicitly by the user, by the system due to excessive bounces, or for (legacy) unknown reasons. o A new bounce processing algorithm has been implemented (we might actually understand this one ;). When an address starts bouncing, the member gets a "bounce score". Hard (fatal) bounces score 1.0, while soft (transient) bounces score 0.5. List administrators can specify a bounce threshold above which a member gets disabled. They can also specify a time interval after which, if no bounces are received from the member, the member's bounce score is considered stale and is thrown away. o A new cron script, cron/disabled, periodically sends notifications to members who are bounce disabled. After a certain number of warnings the member is deleted from the list. List administrators can control both the number of notifications and the amount of time between notifications. Notifications include a confirmation cookie that the member can use to re-enable their subscription, via email or web. o New configuration variables to support the bounce processing are DEFAULT_BOUNCE_SCORE_THRESHOLD, DEFAULT_BOUNCE_INFO_STALE_AFTER, DEFAULT_BOUNCE_YOU_ARE_DISABLED_WARNINGS, DEFAULT_BOUNCE_YOU_ARE_DISABLED_WARNINGS_INTERVAL. - Privacy and security o Sender filters can now be regular expressions. If a line starts with ^ it is taken as a (raw string) regular expression, otherwise it is a literal email address. o Fixes in 2.0.8 ported forward: prevent cross-site scripting exploits. - Mail delivery o Aliases have all been changed so that there's more consistency between the alias a message gets delivered to, and the script & queue runner that handles the message. I've also renamed the mail wrapper script to `mailman' from `wrapper' to avoid collisions with other MLM's. You /will/ need to regenerate your alias files with bin/genaliases, and you may need to update your smrsh (Sendmail) configs.a Bounces always go to listname-bounces now, since administration has been separated from bounce processing. listname-admin is obsolete. o VERP support! This greatly improves the accuracy of bounce detection. Configuration variables which control this feature include VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL, VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES, VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS, VERP_REGEXP, and VERP_FORMAT. The latter two must be tuned to your MTA. o A new alias mailman-loop at dom.ain is added which directs all output to the file $prefix/data/owner-bounces.mbox. This is used when sending messages to the site list owners, as the final fallback for bouncing messages. o New configuration variable POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS which should be set if you are using the Postfix MTA and want Mailman to play nice with Postfix-style virtual domains. - Miscellaneous o Better interoperability with Python 2.2. o MailList objects now record the date (in seconds since epoch) that they were created. This is in a hidden attribute `created_at'. o bin/qrunner grows a -s/--subproc switch which is usually used only when it's started from mailmanctl. o bin/newlist grows a -l/--language option so that the list's preferred language can be set from the command line. o cron changes: admin reminders go out at 8am local time instead of 10pm local time. - Pipermail archiver o MIME attachments are scrubbed out into separate files which can be viewed by following a link in the original article. Article contains an indication of the size of the attachment, its type, and other useful information. o New script bin/cleanarch which can be used to `clean' an .mbox archive file by fixing unescaped embedded Unix From_ lines. o New configuration variable ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER in Defaults.py.in which names the module that Pipermail should use to scrub articles of MIME attachments. o New configuration variable ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER which describes how the scrubber should handle text/html attachments. o PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL has change its semantics. It is now an absolute url, with the hostname and listname parts interpolated into it on a per-list basis. o Pipermail should now provide the proper character set in the Content-Type: header for archived articles. - Internationalization o Czech translations by Dan Ohnesorg. o The Hungarian charset has be fixed to be iso-8859-2. o The member options login page now has a language selection widget. - Building, configuration o email-0.96 package is required (see the misc directory). o New recipes for integrating Mailman and Sendmail, contributed by David Champion. From kd5de at nwla.com Tue Jan 1 13:07:40 2002 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 06:07:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A bit of a problem Message-ID: <3C31A68C.D9377F68@nwla.com> First of all Happy 2002 Well the new list server went online this morning and all went well at 2 AM when it sent out 63 from my perl script, but things were a bit weird at 5 AM when it sent out about 700 password reminders for all of the list. First thing I noticed was that all of the bounces were for one list, second thing that was weird is that there were 84 bounces on a list that only had 64 members. I do know where the bounces came from but they were not the list that the /home/mailman/log/bounce reported. Is this a bug? Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From barry at zope.com Tue Jan 1 15:29:09 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0500 Subject: Browser problems (was Re: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8) References: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org> <200111281306.fASD6jY26933@camel.lrllamas.com> <15365.1301.182637.627419@anthem.wooz.org> <0111281857150U.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <15409.51125.34468.508675@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "OE" == Oliver Egginger writes: OE> "Error decoding authorization cookie" As soon as Konqueror try OE> to read the authorization cookie. Only tested for MM 2.07 OE> (yet) and all relevant versions of Konqueror. Konqueror 2.2.2 OE> (KDE 2.2.2) inclusive. In MM 2.06 the problem didn't exists. OE> Opera, Netscape, Mozilla, MS-Explorer and Lynx are working OE> pretty good with MM 2.07. I will try MM 2.08 as time permits. I've posted before about the interop problems with Konq and MM2.0.8 (check the archives). These should all be cleared up with MM2.1. I will note that I've seen quite a few regressions with Mozilla 0.9.7 Linux. Moz 0.9.6 seemed to work very well, but I've noticed two problems with the latest release. - Moz seems to have problems with the mass subscribe forms, which AFAICT differ from other forms only in that it has an `enctype="multipart/form-data"' attribute on the
tag. Submitting either the mass subscribe or mass remove forms just hangs. This worked fine in Moz 0.9.6 and works fine w/ NS, and Konq. - Moz 0.9.7 seems to ignore https and other encrypted connections. The lil' lock icon never locks! This doesn't affect MM directly, although it certainly affects sites like SF which use SSL. I haven't reported these to the Mozilla group yet, and I'm also wondering if anybody else has noticed these problems. -Barry From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jan 1 18:22:27 2002 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:22:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A bit of a problem In-Reply-To: <3C31A68C.D9377F68@nwla.com> References: <3C31A68C.D9377F68@nwla.com> Message-ID: At 6:07 -0600 1/1/2002, mel wrote: >First thing >I noticed was that all of the bounces were for one list, second thing that was >weird is that there were 84 bounces on a list that only had 64 members. I do >know where the bounces came from but they were not the list that the >/home/mailman/log/bounce reported. Is this a bug? I think so. Or, it's a "surprising artifact of legacy code." It's been adjusted in Mailman 2.1, coming soon. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From kd5de at nwla.com Tue Jan 1 18:34:56 2002 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:34:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A bit of a problem References: <3C31A68C.D9377F68@nwla.com> Message-ID: <3C31F340.E33BDBEE@nwla.com> John W Baxter wrote: > > At 6:07 -0600 1/1/2002, mel wrote: > >First thing > >I noticed was that all of the bounces were for one list, second thing that was > >weird is that there were 84 bounces on a list that only had 64 members. I do > >know where the bounces came from but they were not the list that the > >/home/mailman/log/bounce reported. Is this a bug? > > I think so. Or, it's a "surprising artifact of legacy code." > > It's been adjusted in Mailman 2.1, coming soon. > > --John > > -- > John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA > Well Just as long as when day 5 of the bounce run comes along the users in the correct list are tagged for admin attention. From trades at teleteam.net Tue Jan 1 17:10:37 2002 From: trades at teleteam.net (Josh,Stu,David) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:10:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic Question Message-ID: <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> Can mailman be downloaded to a Windows 98 computer and be used as a mailing server ? Peaceful Trading, Joshua Pena, Armour Associates LLC your email > my alpha pager: armour at airmessage.net numeric/alpha pager: (770) 247-9392 office) (770) 908-8599 email: trades at teleteam.net Yahoo IM proftrader1 From drechsau at Geeks.ORG Tue Jan 1 20:30:35 2002 From: drechsau at Geeks.ORG (Mike Horwath) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:30:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic Question In-Reply-To: <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net>; from trades@teleteam.net on Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:10:37AM -0500 References: <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> Message-ID: <20020101133035.B25346@Geeks.ORG> On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:10:37AM -0500, Josh,Stu,David wrote: > Can mailman be downloaded to a Windows 98 computer and be used as > a mailing server ? Mailman is not a mailing server, it is a mailing list server. -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. From mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk Wed Jan 2 11:05:11 2002 From: mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk (mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:05:11 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders References: <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <20020101133035.B25346@Geeks.ORG> Message-ID: <005101c19374$f9401360$0700005a@ppc.com> Hello All, I received a reminder of my password to this mailing list this morning and presume that the mailing list I am running will do likewise in a couple of days time. The mailing list I run is one which passwords are not needed because people opt-in to the mailing list, no welcome message was distributed, so no password has been displayed to anyone. Is there a way, does anyone know, of turning off the monthly reminders? I am currently running mailman 2.0.5 but is not hosted in-house and I have little to no control over upgrading. Many thanks, Mark Fried AlphaCadia Plc. From ridalski at nandomedia.com Wed Jan 2 15:42:58 2002 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders In-Reply-To: <005101c19374$f9401360$0700005a@ppc.com> Message-ID: It should be nothing more than a matter of commenting out a cron entry. Simply comment out this line for mailman's cron # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. #0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds If it hasn't sent out yet I imagine that it is already commented out. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:05 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders Hello All, I received a reminder of my password to this mailing list this morning and presume that the mailing list I am running will do likewise in a couple of days time. The mailing list I run is one which passwords are not needed because people opt-in to the mailing list, no welcome message was distributed, so no password has been displayed to anyone. Is there a way, does anyone know, of turning off the monthly reminders? I am currently running mailman 2.0.5 but is not hosted in-house and I have little to no control over upgrading. Many thanks, Mark Fried AlphaCadia Plc. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From drechsau at Geeks.ORG Wed Jan 2 17:46:17 2002 From: drechsau at Geeks.ORG (Mike Horwath) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:46:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic Question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net>; from trades@teleteam.net on Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 05:51:09AM -0500 References: <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <20020101133035.B25346@Geeks.ORG> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net> Message-ID: <20020102104617.A33171@Geeks.ORG> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 05:51:09AM -0500, trades at teleteam.net wrote: > I dont have the intelligence to use it without someones help is > there a person like you that I can pay to help me embrace technology > I have a mailing ;ist of about 4000 names and I am presently using > EXTRACTOR but it is not efficient. Can I pay you to help me ?? You should ask on the mailing list whether anyone is willing to help. That is not my business, I operate an ISP. > Peaceful Trading, > > David Henkin, Service Concepts International > 9500 Forest Lane # 540, Dallas TX 75243 > o) 214-221-5123 f) 214-453-8204 > > > > > At 13:30 1/1/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: > >On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:10:37AM -0500, Josh,Stu,David wrote: > > > Can mailman be downloaded to a Windows 98 computer and be used as > > > a mailing server ? > > > >Mailman is not a mailing server, it is a mailing list server. > > > >-- > >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG > >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 > >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself > >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. > -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. From goubeaux at education.ucsb.edu Tue Jan 1 23:03:57 2002 From: goubeaux at education.ucsb.edu (John Goubeaux) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:03:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.08 html archive problem Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020101132218.00a41710@kady.education.ucsb.edu> Folks: I am running a new install of mailman 2.08 with Python 2.2 all seems to be working fine ...except my list archives do not show up in html, ie looks like pipermail is failing to 'fire up" the link to archives works, and i get the option to download the "full raw archive" (which works) which should indicate that it is not a webserver link issue? but the page then reads: Currently, there are no archives. the config settings appear to be in order with: ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 i have removed and reinstalled the list and messages are archived but will not show up in html. am i missing something obvious?? any clues and or ways to trouble-shoot pipermail to see where it might be failing are appreciated. thanks in advance From marc at merlins.org Wed Jan 2 10:19:35 2002 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:19:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ alexandria-Support Requests-497696 ] mailman authentication broken Message-ID: <20020102101935.I6661@merlins.org> I seemed to remember that the cookie problem with mailman and konqueror was only for recent versions of mailman 2.0 and didn't affect 2.0.5 (which is what lists.sourceforge.net still runs due to the 8 or so patches I have against it, and the fact that we didn't seem to need to upgrade to the newer versions) So: does the cookie/konqueror problem also affect 2.0.5 or is this a separate problem? Thanks Marc ----- Forwarded message from noreply at sourceforge.net ----- X-From_: nobody at sourceforge.net Tue Jan 01 11:18:41 2002 To: noreply at sourceforge.net From: noreply at sourceforge.net Subject: [ alexandria-Support Requests-497696 ] mailman authentication broken Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:18:39 -0800 Support Requests item #497696, was opened at 2001-12-29 13:41 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=497696&group_id=1 Category: Mailing Lists Group: Second Level Support Status: Open Priority: 5 Submitted By: Tavis Rudd (tavis_rudd) Assigned to: Marc Merlin (marcmerlin) Summary: mailman authentication broken Initial Comment: Mailman's authentication mechanism on the administrative pages is broken for all of the 6 lists that I manage. Nothing has changed on the client side since it worked last. After successfully entering the admin interface with my password I get an error message saying "Error decoding authorization cookie" when trying to view the next authenticated page. I cleared the cookie cache and tried again, but the problem continued. This is with Konqueror/KDE 2.2 on Linux. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Tavis Rudd (tavis_rudd) Date: 2002-01-01 11:18 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=239334 The same thing happens when I try Konqueror 2.2 on another machine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Marc Merlin (marcmerlin) Date: 2002-01-01 00:36 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=6500 Mmmh, we have many konqueror users and you are the first one to complain. I seem to remember that more recent mailmans had a bug with cookies and konqueror, but the one on SF.net shouldn't have the bug. To rule out weird things, do you mind trying from another machine with konqueror? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Tavis Rudd (tavis_rudd) Date: 2001-12-30 12:00 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=239334 It just worked with IE, but as Konqueror hasn't had any cookie problems with other applications I think this a bug in Mailman's cookie parsing rather than a bug in Konqueror. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Marc Merlin (marcmerlin) Date: 2001-12-30 11:46 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=6500 Check whether this also happens if you use another browser. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=497696&group_id=1 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From trades at teleteam.net Wed Jan 2 11:51:09 2002 From: trades at teleteam.net (trades at teleteam.net) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 05:51:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic Question In-Reply-To: <20020101133035.B25346@Geeks.ORG> References: <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net> I dont have the intelligence to use it without someones help is there a person like you that I can pay to help me embrace technology I have a mailing ;ist of about 4000 names and I am presently using EXTRACTOR but it is not efficient. Can I pay you to help me ?? Peaceful Trading, David Henkin, Service Concepts International 9500 Forest Lane # 540, Dallas TX 75243 o) 214-221-5123 f) 214-453-8204 At 13:30 1/1/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: >On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:10:37AM -0500, Josh,Stu,David wrote: > > Can mailman be downloaded to a Windows 98 computer and be used as > > a mailing server ? > >Mailman is not a mailing server, it is a mailing list server. > >-- >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. From Martin at glancynet.com Wed Jan 2 17:50:00 2002 From: Martin at glancynet.com (Martin Gnyp) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Help Message-ID: Hi, Everytime I try to admin the list for admin tasksI get a "Error Decoding Authorization Cookie" Any suggestions :-) Martin Gnyp From mrosario at larumbamusical.com Wed Jan 2 18:06:17 2002 From: mrosario at larumbamusical.com (Miguel Rosario) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:06:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CHANGING CONFIRMATION MESSAGES Message-ID: I have MailMan in my site: www.larumbamusical.com which is an all-spanish content site, and would like to change the subscription confirmation messages into Spanish, how can I do that? Miguel From moseleymm at hank.org Wed Jan 2 19:57:44 2002 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:57:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20020102105744.022d0a90@pop3.hank.org> Hum, After a reboot on one machine I started getting these every minute from qrunner: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 83, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: No module named Mailman /home/mailman> ll Mailman -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 5824 Nov 26 10:27 Mailman I'd really enjoy a little education, so If someone has time to explain a little how to debug (rather than just how to fix) that would be very much appreciated. Thanks, BTW can http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py be added to http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman.html? -- Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From jessica at anticlockwise.com Wed Jan 2 20:13:40 2002 From: jessica at anticlockwise.com (Jessica Koeppel) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:13:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders In-Reply-To: Message from "Richard Idalski" of "Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:42:58 EST." Message-ID: <200201021913.g02JDeb31777@lenin.anticlockwise.com> There is also a per-list option, which I believe controls this. (I haven't actually experimented to make sure it works as I expect it to, though!). On the list's General Options page, a little more than half way down, you'll find "Send monthly password reminders or no?". So you ought to be able to turn this off only for lists where it's inappropriate, but leave it on (leave the cron job on!) for lists where it is appropriate. --jessica "Richard Idalski" wrote: >It should be nothing more than a matter of commenting out a cron entry. > > Simply comment out this line for mailman's cron > ># 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. >#0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds > >If it hasn't sent out yet I imagine that it is already commented out. > > > -Richard Idalski > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of >mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:05 AM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders > > > >Hello All, > >I received a reminder of my password to this mailing list this morning and >presume that the mailing list I am running will do likewise in a couple of >days time. The mailing list I run is one which passwords are not needed >because people opt-in to the mailing list, no welcome message was >distributed, so no password has been displayed to anyone. > >Is there a way, does anyone know, of turning off the monthly reminders? I am >currently running mailman 2.0.5 but is not hosted in-house and I have little >to no control over upgrading. > >Many thanks, > >Mark Fried >AlphaCadia Plc. > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From tep at SDSC.EDU Wed Jan 2 21:04:40 2002 From: tep at SDSC.EDU (Tom Perrine) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:04:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] rung 2.1 and 2.0.8 in parallel?? Message-ID: <200201022004.g02K4ek03132@lart.sdsc.edu> Has anyone tried running the 2.1 and 2.0.8 version on the same host at the same time? I'd like to move some lists to 2.1 now, so I can start contributing new code to the 2.1 effort, but I still have lists that I want to run on 2.0.8 until 2.1 is really finished. --tep -- Tom E. Perrine (tep at SDSC.EDU) | San Diego Supercomputer Center http://www.sdsc.edu/~tep/ | Voice: +1.858.534.5000 "The French are glad to die for love..." - Moulin Rouge From david at midrange.com Wed Jan 2 21:08:47 2002 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:08:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] rung 2.1 and 2.0.8 in parallel?? In-Reply-To: <200201022004.g02K4ek03132@lart.sdsc.edu> References: <200201022004.g02K4ek03132@lart.sdsc.edu> Message-ID: <36526.208.248.38.130.1010002127.squirrel@webmail.midrange.com> Tom Perrine said: > Has anyone tried running the 2.1 and 2.0.8 version on the same host at > the same time? Yep, works fine. Just install 2.1 in a different location and point your aliases to the new location. Might not be a bad idea to create a new userid & group for the new mailman version, but I have no hard evidence of this. david From jhemrick at leo.gov Wed Jan 2 21:18:13 2002 From: jhemrick at leo.gov (James Hemrick) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:18:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner not sending out some messages Message-ID: <3C336B05.54DF09DC@leo.gov> Hello, Have a weird problem with Mailman. For older lists, when messages are approved they are mailed out. For newer lists, the messages are approved then they vanish. The messages are not posted to the list. Today I figured out that if I run qrunner by hand, the messages will be posted. If the cron runs Qrunner then the messages are lost. Anyone know why this would happen? I get no error messages Redhat 6.1 Python 1.5.3 Mailman 2.0.1 cron /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner. Jim From mhm at austin.ibm.com Wed Jan 2 09:28:02 2002 From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:28:02 +0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] retrieving posts from archives Message-ID: <20020102142802.A1851@austin.ibm.com> Running the Mailman 2.07 (yeah, I know I need to upgrade), I have a list that is being used to distribute lecture notes. Notes are sent to the list as an attachment to a message. Question is how does one pull said attachment out of pipermail without having to down load the entire archive ? Thanks Mike From drechsau at Geeks.ORG Thu Jan 3 02:02:44 2002 From: drechsau at Geeks.ORG (Mike Horwath) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:02:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic Question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102113238.00a3d840@mail.teleteam.net>; from trades@teleteam.net on Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:33:00AM -0500 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net> <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <20020101133035.B25346@Geeks.ORG> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net> <20020102104617.A33171@Geeks.ORG> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102113238.00a3d840@mail.teleteam.net> Message-ID: <20020102190244.A37564@Geeks.ORG> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:33:00AM -0500, trades at teleteam.net wrote: > Mike do you mean on the web page there is a list if users ?? In mailman, there will be a list of users who you are emailing to. But if you need help getting something setup, someone here on the mailman-users at python.org mailing list might be able to help. > At 10:46 1/2/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 05:51:09AM -0500, trades at teleteam.net wrote: > > > I dont have the intelligence to use it without someones help is > > > there a person like you that I can pay to help me embrace technology > > > I have a mailing ;ist of about 4000 names and I am presently using > > > EXTRACTOR but it is not efficient. Can I pay you to help me ?? > > > >You should ask on the mailing list whether anyone is willing to help. > > > >That is not my business, I operate an ISP. > > > > > Peaceful Trading, > > > > > > David Henkin, Service Concepts International > > > 9500 Forest Lane # 540, Dallas TX 75243 > > > o) 214-221-5123 f) 214-453-8204 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 13:30 1/1/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: > > > >On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:10:37AM -0500, Josh,Stu,David wrote: > > > > > Can mailman be downloaded to a Windows 98 computer and be used as > > > > > a mailing server ? > > > > > > > >Mailman is not a mailing server, it is a mailing list server. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG > > > >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 > > > >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself > > > >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. > > > > > > >-- > >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG > >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 > >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself > >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. > -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Thu Jan 3 09:30:31 2002 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:30:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CHANGING CONFIRMATION MESSAGES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02010308303107.01315@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Thats very easy. Switch to your Mailman directory. (for instance /home/mailman) There is a subdirectory called "templates", where you will find all templates as textfiles. Take a look at the "verify.txt" file. - oliver > I have MailMan in my site: www.larumbamusical.com which is an all-spanish > content site, and would like to change the subscription confirmation > messages into Spanish, how can I do that? > > Miguel > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From info at frizon.org Thu Jan 3 10:07:55 2002 From: info at frizon.org (Frizon Development) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:07:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I guess.... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103100447.01f987b8@mail.frizon.org> ... that this questions has been brought up before, but perhaps someone can point me to the answer.... I run RedHat 7.0 with PostFix, currently trying to install Mailman 2.0.8 and it is not working to good... mostly GID problems... Help! I've found two answers on the net regarding changing GIDs with ./configure.. the problem is this... The sourcecode, compiled, wont work at all... and the RPMS / SRPMS will work, but claim errors on the GID part... From simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Wed Jan 2 21:34:25 2002 From: simon at imaginemedia.co.uk (Simon, imagine media) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:34:25 +0100 Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] qfiles building up + (111, 'Connection refused') In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Morning David, I have solved my problem! Just to recap for others I was having the following problem: Messages in qfiles are not being posted, and I had this error in logs/smtp: "Dec 20 09:12:03 2001 (10830) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') Dec 20 09:12:03 2001 (10830) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.002 seconds" After checking everything many times and rebuilding Mailman etc it turns out that Sendmail was binding only to the loopback interface by default, so when Mailman tried to send out on localhost:25 the connection was refused as there was now smtp service bound to this port. Running 'netstat -a' or 'lsof -i | grep sendmail' gave: sendmail 24441 root 4u IPv4 32620009 TCP ns0.imagineinternet.co.uk:smtp (LISTEN) But we should see: sendmail 24441 root 4u IPv4 32620009 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) if mailman is to work! Note last two fields showing localhost.localdomain:smtp in first example (rather than *:smtp)! To fix this you will need to tinker with /usr/share/sendmail-cf/cf/redhat.mc and look for: dnl This changes sendmail to only listen on the loopback device 127.0.0.1 dnl and not on any other network devices. Comment this out if you want dnl to accept email over the network. DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA') Do what it suggests and comment (dnl) out the 'DAEMON_OPTIONS' line and save the file. Then 'make redhat.cf' and 'cp redhat.cf /etc/sendmail.cf' Every thing should then work! Good luck and Happy New Year! Simon ***************** Simon Lorenz Systems Modelling Imagine Media Ltd simon at imaginemedia.co.uk Kennel House, Hammersley Lane, Penn, Bucks, HP10 8HE, UK t 01494 812890 f 01494 813151 m 07977 149955 > From: David Krebsbach > Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:32:30 -0500 > To: "'simon at imaginemedia.co.uk'" > Subject: Mailman problem > > I am having the same problem with RH7.2 and Mailman 2.08. I can send and > recieve email fine with sendmail when my MTA entry in the sendmail.cf file > is my correct IP address, but I get connection refused when Mailman tries > posting to the list. If I change my IP address to the local > loopback(127.0.0.1) in my sendmail.cf file I can send email through Mailman > but cannot send back to the list from the outside since my MTA in sendmail > is set to the loopback instead of my correct mail DNS. Have you solved it > yet?? From mel at vanyel.herald.co.uk Thu Jan 3 12:24:05 2002 From: mel at vanyel.herald.co.uk (Melanie Dymond Harper) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:24:05 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong message count in digests Message-ID: <200201031124.LAA04649@vanyel.herald.co.uk> Hi, Mailman 2.0.7 on Linux; one of my lists seems to have problems deciding how many messages in a digest. Subject line of the digest says (e.g.) 23 messages, but body and the "Today's Topics:" list contain only 21. No messages appear to be getting dropped. Any suggestions? I don't see anything in the FAQ or in the list archives... Cheers Mel From lguzik at guttmacher.org Thu Jan 3 17:19:14 2002 From: lguzik at guttmacher.org (Guzik, Louis) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't discard requests Message-ID: <2FF02D6FA969D511977100306E0793AC51B2F7@agi-ny8.agi-ny.org> When attempting to discard post requests I get the following. Bug in Mailman version 1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main HandleRequests(doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in HandleRequests list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in HandlePostRequest self.LogMsg("vette", note) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 835, in LogMsg logf.write(msg % args + '\n') TypeError: not enough arguments for format string How do I recover from this? Can I clear out the post requests from the shell without using the web interface? -Thanks From David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jan 3 18:42:33 2002 From: David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk (David Osborne) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:42:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sharing a Mailman installation between two systems Message-ID: <20020103174233.A21348@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> We've got two systems for serving our lists, with the more powerful primary system sharing its Mailman installation via NFS with the less powerful secondary. Under Mailman 1.0, this worked fine: I adjusted aliases for the less important lists so they were processed on the secondary system, taking load off the primary. Yesterday, I upgraded to Mailman 2.0.7 and with the change in the method of queue running, the main system now does all the work -- the secondary only does the initial handling of the injection of a message into Mailman from the MTA (Exim 3.22), while the delivery of the message to the subscribers for all the lists now takes place on the primary. Is it possible to configure my two systems to work as they did under MM 1.0 and share the load? thanks -- David Osborne david.osborne at nottingham.ac.uk Academic Computing Services The University of Nottingham Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~cczdao/ From trades at teleteam.net Wed Jan 2 17:33:00 2002 From: trades at teleteam.net (trades at teleteam.net) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:33:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic Question In-Reply-To: <20020102104617.A33171@Geeks.ORG> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net> <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <20020101133035.B25346@Geeks.ORG> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102113238.00a3d840@mail.teleteam.net> Mike do you mean on the web page there is a list if users ?? At 10:46 1/2/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: >On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 05:51:09AM -0500, trades at teleteam.net wrote: > > I dont have the intelligence to use it without someones help is > > there a person like you that I can pay to help me embrace technology > > I have a mailing ;ist of about 4000 names and I am presently using > > EXTRACTOR but it is not efficient. Can I pay you to help me ?? > >You should ask on the mailing list whether anyone is willing to help. > >That is not my business, I operate an ISP. > > > Peaceful Trading, > > > > David Henkin, Service Concepts International > > 9500 Forest Lane # 540, Dallas TX 75243 > > o) 214-221-5123 f) 214-453-8204 > > > > > > > > > > At 13:30 1/1/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: > > >On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:10:37AM -0500, Josh,Stu,David wrote: > > > > Can mailman be downloaded to a Windows 98 computer and be used as > > > > a mailing server ? > > > > > >Mailman is not a mailing server, it is a mailing list server. > > > > > >-- > > >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG > > >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 > > >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself > > >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. > > > >-- >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. From renegade at xscanners.org Wed Jan 2 19:40:52 2002 From: renegade at xscanners.org (renegade) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and postfix Message-ID: i have installed and configured mailman under openbsd 3.0 and postfix. i have the following in my /etc/aliases mailman: renegade at xscanners.org mailman-owner: mailman zm: "|/usr/local/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post zm" zm-admin: "|/usr/local/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner zm" zm-request: "|/usr/local/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd zm" zm-owner: zm-admin but it is not send mail out, and is trying to send to localhost. what else or other steps need to be done to get it to wotj with postfix, i have looke din all docs, and could not find out any more info. tia From RGrant at TrinityNH.org Wed Jan 2 22:08:31 2002 From: RGrant at TrinityNH.org (Rich Grant) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message questions Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102160616.00a950c0@eag.com> I've got a welcome message that I want to go out to a list. The text I have goes out just fine but then there is a bunch of stuff added to the bottom of it that discusses things like changing digest mode, password etc. Lists a password and more. I want to get rid of all that stuff but can't figure out where it is hidden. Can anyone help me out? And I'm a REAL Mailman Novice at this point. Rich Grant - A/V Ministry Leader and Webmaster Trinity Baptist Church, 33 Lund Rd, Nashua, NH 03060-4284 603-881-5619 (my day phone) 603-883-9704 (my 24-hour fax) Email: RGrant at TrinityNH.org Web: http://www.TrinityNH.org From nkatic at foi.hr Thu Jan 3 13:46:35 2002 From: nkatic at foi.hr (Nino Katic) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:46:35 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question Message-ID: Hi, I want to restrict postings to only one (admin) address, so that no one else can post to the list. How to do this? Nino From ahearn at accuvia.com Thu Jan 3 21:52:02 2002 From: ahearn at accuvia.com (Hearn, Allison) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:52:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please assist Message-ID: I need to extract my member list into an excel spreadsheet. Is this possible? If so, please provide me with instructions. Thanks-- Allison Hearn Toll free: 800/287-1811 Direct phone: 301/944-1205 Fax: 301/926-6174 From nkatic at foi.hr Thu Jan 3 22:29:01 2002 From: nkatic at foi.hr (Nino Katic) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:29:01 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question Message-ID: How to restrict posts only to administrator of the list, so that no one else can post to it, only receive posts? Nino From kd5de at nwla.com Thu Jan 3 23:27:40 2002 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:27:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question References: Message-ID: <3C34DADC.C81CFF20@nwla.com> In the Admin. pages. Privacy Options. Under General Posting filters. Restrict Posting Privilege: Set this to No. the next section Addresses of Members just enter the authorized poster or posters. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 4 00:22:23 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:22:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please assist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02010318222301.01199@anncons.nc.rr.com> Check out the commands in ~mailman/bin/.. you want to use "list_members". The exact syntax would be something like: ~mailman/bin/list_members mylist > mylist.txt The file "mylist.txt" will then contain a text list with one email address per line. This should be extremely easy to import into a spreadsheet (even an "excel" spreadsheet...) Jon Carnes On Thursday 03 January 2002 15:52, Hearn, Allison wrote: > I need to extract my member list into an excel spreadsheet. Is this > possible? If so, please provide me with instructions. > > Thanks-- > > Allison Hearn > Toll free: 800/287-1811 > Direct phone: 301/944-1205 > Fax: 301/926-6174 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From david at midrange.com Fri Jan 4 05:19:26 2002 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:19:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SSL oddity Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103210616.01ac1418@linux.midrange.com> Folks: I've been playing around with using Mailman in a self-signed SSL enabled Apache server on my RH 7.2 system. Nothing seems to work properly ... the pages display fine, but no input is processed. It works fine when I use standard web access. Any suggestions? Thanks! david From encargado at bohol.org Fri Jan 4 05:47:23 2002 From: encargado at bohol.org (Basil Sumodobila) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:47:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Virtual Host Message-ID: <00d001c194da$e85d6220$0501010a@skypad.com> I just recently looked at various listservers (Liststar,Majordomo,Sympa, and Mailman). I have been able to install all of them except Sympa due to compications with MySQL which it requires for its database and I am giving up on that one. Of the 3 I have installed and tested I like Mailman the most due to its web-based admin and archiving facility and looking at the list of users it looks impressive, Apple, Dell, etc. I decided to concentrate on Mailman. My plan is to set up Mailman on a virtual host. Right now my test machine is connected by cable modem, but would not like the day-to-day babysitting of this server. Besides running a server is not allowed by my cable provider. I would like to sign up with with web-hosting company where I can install Mailman and have them take care of the server 24/7. Has anybody done this?. It seems like it can be intalled on a virtual web host but maybe there are some steps which would require root access to the server, then it will not be possible. I would appreciate any input. Thanks in advance Basil Sumodobila webmaster at bohol.org From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Jan 4 06:20:50 2002 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:20:50 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is erratic Message-ID: <20020104.5205000@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Hello!! I use mailman 2.0.6 with sendmail 8.9 and apache 1.3.12 on redhat 6.2 I have 3 lists...on it on a valid domain and static ip/ but this mailman is erratic... where it doesnt posts mails to its subscribers constantly... i have to remore the crontab.in file and add it again , i have kill the qrunner process and delete all files under /home/mailman/locks directory.. My sendmail is working fine as my regular mails are working fine.. how to solve this from once and for all.. thanks in advance rgds Ganeshh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020104/ab1f0d32/attachment.htm From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Jan 4 06:42:19 2002 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:42:19 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Erratic Message-ID: <20020104.5421900@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Hello!! I use mailman 2.0.6 with sendmail 8.9 and apache 1.3.12 on redhat 6.2 I have 3 lists...on it on a valid domain and static ip/ but this mailman is erratic... where it doesnt posts mails to its subscribers constantly... i have to remore the crontab.in file and add it again , i have kill the qrunner process and delete all files under /home/mailman/locks directory.. My sendmail is working fine as my regular mails are working fine.. how to solve this from once and for all.. thanks in advance rgds Ganeshh From csmende at neubayern.net Fri Jan 4 06:51:06 2002 From: csmende at neubayern.net (Christopher Mende) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:51:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass User Changes Message-ID: Hello everyone, Just started using Mailman last week after scrapping majordomo/majorcool stuff. So far I'm enjoying the switch immensely. I've run into one snag, though. Before setting default option of Plain vs Mime on a list that has about 300 regular and 200 digested members, I added the digested members. I need to switch all the digest users from Mime to Plain. I'd like to do that without having to manualy remove and add them. Has anyone dealt with this so before? What command lines can I tie together to make this happen, or how can I modify a db directly? Thanks so much! ~Christopher -- -- csmende at neubayern.net http://neubayern.net 719.210.6868 From kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at Fri Jan 4 08:29:13 2002 From: kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at (Dipl.-Ing. Edith Kemeny) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:29:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me!!! In-Reply-To: <018901c18bc4$3ff58370$6601010a@linkpeople.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020104082123.00b3d820@pc6064.mos.siemens.at> HI! You should reinstall mailman with the right parameters: Solution: % make clean % ./configure --with-the-right-options => ./configure --with-cgi-gdi="write here the same value for group, which you are using in httpd.conf, it is maybe: nobody" % make install Best wishes: Edith Kemeny At 23:12 23.12.2001 +0800, you wrote: > >Mailman CGI error!!! > > > >The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set >by the Web server. > >The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed >incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close >attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being >stored in your syslog: >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48. (Reconfigure to take 48?) > > OS: redhat7.2 > maiman:mailman-2.0.5 > question -----> how to fix it !!!!! > Please tell me!!!! thanks!! > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020104/ce1793c4/attachment.html From PBoshoff at mweb.com Fri Jan 4 08:28:28 2002 From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:28:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 16JFqa-0000bA-00 <> *** frozen *** Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB903402D8B2C4@za14nt02.mweb.com> Hi, please can anybody explain this message to me. I use Mailman version 2.0.1 and Exim as my MTA. when I run the command mailq I get the following: 30m 2.5K 16MNzN-0004Ri-00 <> *** frozen *** memberlist2-admin at africasia.co.za > Pieter Boshoff > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > unix sys admin > Tel: +27 11 340 7256 > Fax: +27 11 340 7288 > Cell: +27 83 600 4095 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > M-WEB Business Solutions > Making it happen. > > Go shopping @ http://shopping.mweb.co.za > Get your business online @ http://business.mweb.com > > From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Fri Jan 4 10:35:11 2002 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 04 Jan 2002 09:35:11 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 16JFqa-0000bA-00 <> *** frozen *** In-Reply-To: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB903402D8B2C4@za14nt02.mweb.com> References: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB903402D8B2C4@za14nt02.mweb.com> Message-ID: <1010136912.3306.12.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 07:28, Pieter Boshoff wrote: > please can anybody explain this message to me. I use Mailman version 2.0.1 > and Exim as my MTA. > when I run the command mailq I get the following: > > 30m 2.5K 16MNzN-0004Ri-00 <> *** frozen *** > memberlist2-admin at africasia.co.za Exim by default freezes (ie stops attempting delivery but leaves on queue) undeliverable bounce messages. The message there is a bounce message (ie from <>), so its likely that the address memberlist2-admin at africasia.co.za is undeliverable in some way (or was at the time of the freeze). Most likely reason for this is someone sending a message to an unknown user of yours from an undeliverable sender address - bounce message cannot then be delivered. In this case the address looks as though its one of your Mailman admin addresses so probably failed for a different reason. Suggest you check through your exim logs for 16MNzN-0004Ri-00 - you should also be able to discover the message log entries fro the message that generated the bounce. Try using exim -d5 -bt memberlist2-admin at africasia.co.za to find out if that address can be resolved, and to hopefully give hints as to whats wrong. [First guess, look at permissions on your alias files] Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From scott at scottrogers.org Fri Jan 4 16:42:09 2002 From: scott at scottrogers.org (Scott Rogers) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:42:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers Message-ID: <003f01c19536$60c7e450$0366a8c0@air2web.com> All, I have Mailman installed and working ( for nine months now ). Yesterday I rebooted my server for the first time in four months. Today, Mailman works (send mail) but the Admin interface doesn't. I receive 'Internal Server Error' in the browser window. in httpd/error.log I receive the 'Premature end of headers' error, I recieve no error in syslog (messages) or maillog. I can force the GID error to show up in maillog by executing mailman/cgi-bin/admin from the command line, but I don't get that when visiting the admin page from the browser. Help? Thank you, Scott Rogers BTW, the list server is running at www.highcountryrugby.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020104/82042ac3/attachment.htm From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Fri Jan 4 16:47:02 2002 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:47:02 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] My mailman installation is Erractic Message-ID: <20020104.15470200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Hello!! I use mailman 2.0.6 with sendmail 8.9 and apache 1.3.12 on redhat 6.2 I have 3 lists...on it on a valid domain and static ip/ but this mailman is erratic... where it doesnt posts mails to its subscribers constantly... i have to remore the crontab.in file and add it again , i have kill the qrunner process and delete all files under /home/mailman/locks directory.. My sendmail is working fine as my regular mails are working fine.. how to solve this from once and for all.. thanks in advance rgds Ganeshh From skip at pobox.com Fri Jan 4 17:28:06 2002 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:28:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers In-Reply-To: <003f01c19536$60c7e450$0366a8c0@air2web.com> References: <003f01c19536$60c7e450$0366a8c0@air2web.com> Message-ID: <15413.55318.406718.796526@beluga.mojam.com> Scott> I have Mailman installed and working ( for nine months now ). Scott> Yesterday I rebooted my server for the first time in four months. Scott> Today, Mailman works (send mail) but the Admin interface doesn't. Scott> I receive 'Internal Server Error' in the browser window. Scott> in httpd/error.log I receive the 'Premature end of headers' error, Scott> I recieve no error in syslog (messages) or maillog. What's the full traceback? It should be in error.log and will probably help pinpoint the source of the problem. -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From scott at scottrogers.org Fri Jan 4 18:11:59 2002 From: scott at scottrogers.org (Scott Rogers) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:11:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers References: <003f01c19536$60c7e450$0366a8c0@air2web.com> <15413.55318.406718.796526@beluga.mojam.com> Message-ID: <005e01c19542$ed88cbf0$0366a8c0@air2web.com> Here's the kicker... If I change the apache user to allow me to su to it from root, then execute the /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin program, it works fine and outputs HTML. If I excecute it as another user, I get the following message in my /var/log/messages file: Jan 4 09:54:49 dot Mailman cgi-wrapper (admin): Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501. (Reconfigure to take 501?) Where 46 = GID of apache . Thanks... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Montanaro" To: "Scott Rogers" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers > > Scott> I have Mailman installed and working ( for nine months now ). > Scott> Yesterday I rebooted my server for the first time in four months. > Scott> Today, Mailman works (send mail) but the Admin interface doesn't. > > Scott> I receive 'Internal Server Error' in the browser window. > Scott> in httpd/error.log I receive the 'Premature end of headers' error, > Scott> I recieve no error in syslog (messages) or maillog. > > What's the full traceback? It should be in error.log and will probably help > pinpoint the source of the problem. > > -- > Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From skip at pobox.com Fri Jan 4 18:25:14 2002 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:25:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers In-Reply-To: <005e01c19542$ed88cbf0$0366a8c0@air2web.com> References: <003f01c19536$60c7e450$0366a8c0@air2web.com> <15413.55318.406718.796526@beluga.mojam.com> <005e01c19542$ed88cbf0$0366a8c0@air2web.com> Message-ID: <15413.58746.142926.169536@beluga.mojam.com> Scott> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501. (Reconfigure Scott> to take 501?) Scott> Where 46 = GID of apache . Did your apache runtime GID change? Sounds like Mailman needs to be reconfigured with the correct --with-* flags and reinstalled. -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From scott at scottrogers.org Fri Jan 4 18:28:44 2002 From: scott at scottrogers.org (Scott Rogers) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:28:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers References: <003f01c19536$60c7e450$0366a8c0@air2web.com> <15413.55318.406718.796526@beluga.mojam.com> <005e01c19542$ed88cbf0$0366a8c0@air2web.com> <15413.58746.142926.169536@beluga.mojam.com> Message-ID: <006901c19545$c5ae48a0$0366a8c0@air2web.com> Skip, I apologize for the typo in my last message. Apache's GID is still 48... not 46. Sorry. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Montanaro" To: "Scott Rogers" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers > > Scott> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501. (Reconfigure > Scott> to take 501?) > > Scott> Where 46 = GID of apache . > > Did your apache runtime GID change? Sounds like Mailman needs to be > reconfigured with the correct --with-* flags and reinstalled. > > -- > Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From thomas at obidobi.net Fri Jan 4 18:56:08 2002 From: thomas at obidobi.net (Thomas Åhlen) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:56:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto? subject and footer change Message-ID: <056001c19549$16e74110$234455d4@nova> I have just setup a Mailman mailinglist and want to change some things, but can't find howto. 1. The subject of all messages sent to the list are appended with [listname]. I don't want that feature, is it possible to remove? 2. I want to change the footer that are appended to all messages. If thats in a template which template should I change? Thanks. Thomas From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Jan 4 19:13:17 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:13:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto? subject and footer change In-Reply-To: <056001c19549$16e74110$234455d4@nova> References: <056001c19549$16e74110$234455d4@nova> Message-ID: <02010413131701.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> On Friday 04 January 2002 12:56, Thomas ?hlen wrote: > I have just setup a Mailman mailinglist and want to change some things, > but can't find howto. > > 1. The subject of all messages sent to the list are appended with > [listname]. I don't want that feature, is it possible to remove? Go to the web-admin page for your list. You change this on the General Options page (the first one that pops up). > > 2. I want to change the footer that are appended to all messages. If > thats in a template which template should I change? Again, look in the web-admin for your list and go to the Regular Member Options page. > > Thanks. > Thomas Welcome. Jon From scott at scottrogers.org Fri Jan 4 19:53:00 2002 From: scott at scottrogers.org (Scott Rogers) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:53:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers References: <003f01c19536$60c7e450$0366a8c0@air2web.com> <15413.55318.406718.796526@beluga.mojam.com> <005e01c19542$ed88cbf0$0366a8c0@air2web.com> <15413.58746.142926.169536@beluga.mojam.com> Message-ID: <008e01c19551$09fd7660$0366a8c0@air2web.com> Thanks to Skip and all of you out there on the list.... I figured out the problem. As it turns out, it was an IE6 'cookie' problem. While I did not determine why the error message in Auth.authenticate didn't show up in any log files, when I deleted all cookies from IE it worked like a champ. thank you, Scott Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Montanaro" To: "Scott Rogers" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Headers > > Scott> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501. (Reconfigure > Scott> to take 501?) > > Scott> Where 46 = GID of apache . > > Did your apache runtime GID change? Sounds like Mailman needs to be > reconfigured with the correct --with-* flags and reinstalled. > > -- > Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org Fri Jan 4 20:03:05 2002 From: galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org (George Galang) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:03:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 functionality Message-ID: 2.1 Just curious if it is possible to add the configuration variables of each list, how often a moderator gets notified of administrative requests? -- George Galang - 9803004 From tep at SDSC.EDU Fri Jan 4 20:19:31 2002 From: tep at SDSC.EDU (Tom Perrine) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:19:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SSL oddity In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103210616.01ac1418@linux.midrange.com> (message from David Gibbs on Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:19:26 -0600) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020103210616.01ac1418@linux.midrange.com> Message-ID: <200201041919.g04JJV809485@lart.sdsc.edu> >>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:19:26 -0600, David Gibbs said: David> Folks: David> I've been playing around with using Mailman in a self-signed SSL enabled David> Apache server on my RH 7.2 system. David> Nothing seems to work properly ... the pages display fine, but no input is David> processed. David> It works fine when I use standard web access. David> Any suggestions? David> Thanks! David> david I've got this working with no problems. Here are the versions of the software I'm running: mailman 2.0.8 sendmail 8.12.0 (plus some patches) Apache: 1.3.20 (plus some patches) I'm running the Apache server as nobody, sendmail is set-gid to smmsp as recomended and mailman has its own account. Did you check the logs for any error messages? Did you have a running SSL server before trying mailman? Did you check the ownership of the CGI programs? Does your SSL server run as the same UID as the regular server? In general, everything is very vanilla on my systems, modulo lots of security patches. --tep -- Tom E. Perrine (tep at SDSC.EDU) | San Diego Supercomputer Center http://www.sdsc.edu/~tep/ | Voice: +1.858.534.5000 "The French are glad to die for love..." - Moulin Rouge From JRADKE1 at wi.rr.com Fri Jan 4 20:37:44 2002 From: JRADKE1 at wi.rr.com (James Radke) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:37:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - newletter, and importing members? Message-ID: <007b01c19557$4825e160$2001a8c0@stratecon.net> Hello, I am looking at mailman as one possible solution for providing a mailing list for up to 10,000 recipients. This would be for a client who would like to send a newsletter as well as promotional offers to their customers. First of all, would mailman be a good selection for this functionality? We would need to: 1.) Create a list with members from a file provided by the client from their database (Microsoft SQL server database), or in flat file format to be imported; and then 2.) Allow only the client to submit "mail" to the list? Finally we would need to: 3.) Allow the recipients to "opt out" of receiving any future mailings via automated e-mail request handling? How tough would this be to implement something like this? Is most of this standard usage for this application? Thanks for any and all opinions! Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020104/8545088a/attachment.html From claw at kanga.nu Fri Jan 4 22:55:34 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:55:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass User Changes In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher Mende" of "Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:51:06 MST." References: Message-ID: <15782.1010181334@kanga.nu> On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:51:06 -0700 Christopher Mende wrote: > I need to switch all the digest users from Mime to Plain. I'd like > to do that without having to manualy remove and add them. You'll need to write a short script to hand to with_list to edit the list database. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Fri Jan 4 22:57:48 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:57:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My mailman installation is Erractic In-Reply-To: Message from Ganesh HariHaran of "Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:47:02 GMT." <20020104.15470200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> References: <20020104.15470200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Message-ID: <15824.1010181468@kanga.nu> On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:47:02 GMT Ganesh HariHaran wrote: > but this mailman is erratic... where it doesnt posts mails to its > subscribers constantly... What do the logs say? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Fri Jan 4 22:58:46 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:58:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto? subject and footer change In-Reply-To: Message from "Thomas hlen" of "Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:56:08 +0100." <056001c19549$16e74110$234455d4@nova> References: <056001c19549$16e74110$234455d4@nova> Message-ID: <15839.1010181526@kanga.nu> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:56:08 +0100 thomas > wrote: > I have just setup a Mailman mailinglist and want to change some > things, but can't find howto. > 1. The subject of all messages sent to the list are appended with > [listname]. I don't want that feature, is it possible to remove? > 2. I want to change the footer that are appended to all > messages. If thats in a template which template should I change? Both options are present in the list's web administrative interface. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jsignalness at btinet.net Fri Jan 4 23:22:28 2002 From: jsignalness at btinet.net (Jason Signalness) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:22:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain name switch ignored by mailman Message-ID: <3C362B24.9080203@btinet.net> Hello, I recently installed mailman onto a Red Hat 7.1 box running sendmail. Mailman works great, except that I have reconfigured it to use the cyclend.com domain name as the default. It was originally set to something else. It seems to ignore this setting and, when emailing outgoing messages (like password reminders) it uses the old domain name. I want to abolish this old domain name, but am unsure how to go about doing so. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. -- Jason Signalness, System Administrator Cyclend.com jason at cyclend.com -- From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu Fri Jan 4 23:34:55 2002 From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:34:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting posts from specific members Message-ID: Is it possible to restrict posts from some members? Namely, to prevent joe at somewhere.com from posting? (yet allow all other members to post without having to manually approve each post?) thanks -- Paul L. Schumacher Winona State University Computer Science Department From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Fri Jan 4 23:58:31 2002 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Restricting posts from specific members Message-ID: Sure...just add their address(es) to the "Addresses whose postings are always held for approval" box on the privacy settings page. Ron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 (28505) Delivery exception: Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 (28505) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process mlist.Lock() File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock raise AlreadyLockedError AlreadyLockedError: Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): Traceback (innermost last): Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): kids = main(lock) Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 263, in main Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): mlist.Save() Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): makelink(privdir, pubdir) Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): os.symlink(old, new) Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Czerniak ac at sevencs.com SevenCs GmbH Fax: +49 40 8515440 Hamburg Germany From jimmy at nccom.com Sat Jan 5 02:06:02 2002 From: jimmy at nccom.com (Jim Gottlieb) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:06:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] fixing archive Message-ID: <20020104170602.Q18290@nccom.com> Hi. I'm a recent mailman convert and have my list all up and running. Now it's on to the details, like why my archive doesn't work. My archive directory looks (in part) like: kxt/2001-December: total 10 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Dec 31 13:23 ./ drwxrwsr-x 5 mailman mailman 512 Dec 31 17:11 ../ -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 6596 Dec 31 13:23 000000.html lrwxrwxrwx 1 mailman mailman 11 Dec 31 13:23 index.html -> thread.html so it seems that only the last message is there, presumably because it kept using 000000 as the message number. There's also no thread.html file. I also notice that the error log has entries like: Jan 04 14:32:02 2002 qrunner(14377): Traceback (innermost last): Jan 04 14:32:02 2002 qrunner(14377): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 221, in ArchiveMail Jan 04 14:32:03 2002 qrunner(14377): h.processUnixMailbox(f, HyperArch.Article) Jan 04 14:32:03 2002 qrunner(14377): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 528, in processUnixMailbox Jan 04 14:32:03 2002 qrunner(14377): self.add_article(a) Jan 04 14:32:03 2002 qrunner(14377): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 931, in add_article Jan 04 14:32:03 2002 qrunner(14377): self._charsets[cs] = self._charsets.get(cs, 0) + 1 Jan 04 14:32:03 2002 qrunner(14377): TypeError: unhashable type Jan 04 14:32:03 2002 (14377) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: kxt Do I just need to initialize the archive? How do I do this? I do have 27 3 * * * /opt/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip running from cron though I don't know if this is related. Thanks... From anibal at videotron.ca Fri Jan 4 06:53:51 2002 From: anibal at videotron.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 00:53:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't get listinfo to show my lists Message-ID: <3C35436F.9F79AAE2@videotron.ca> Hi all, I just finished installing mailman 2.0.8 under linux redhat 6.2. Great job at documenting the installation! Not even a glitch! Now, the internal name of the machine where this system is running is machinea.domain.com. That name is also accessible through internet, but we rarely use that name, we use domain.com to relay mail. So, I modified the list within the admin pages and where it says: Host name this list prefers it used to say (by default): machinea.domain.com and I replaced that by domain.com Everything works fine. I can subscribe and send email to listname at domain.com and it works fine. However, when I go to the listinfo page the link to the listname is not there anymore and this happened when I modified that 'Host name this list prefers' option. However, when I go the listinfo page I get a link to 'the list admin overview page', and if I go there I can see the lists named. Of course, those links are for the login admin page. So, the question is: how do I get the lists to show up under listinfo when I do modify that 'Host name this list prefers' option? Any pointers will be greatly appreciated, -Anibal From jocelyn at location1.org Fri Jan 4 23:03:12 2002 From: jocelyn at location1.org (Jocelyn Ruggiero) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:03:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble with Mailman Message-ID: <002d01c1956b$9a96d4e0$2d41b5cc@location1.org> Hello...I am writing because of a problem I am having with our locone mailing list. I am trying to send out a notice to our email list, but when I submit an email to locone at location1.org, I do not see it in pending Administrative requests. I have done this twice to no avail. Any suggestions? Thanks so Much Jocelyn Ruggiero Assistant Director Location One 26 Greene Street New York, NY 10013 212-334-3347 www.location1.org From edbaur at iximd.com Sat Jan 5 03:03:23 2002 From: edbaur at iximd.com (Edmund H. Baur) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:03:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick Question... Message-ID: <3C365EEB.20206@iximd.com> Looked over your site and couldn't find an answer... Is there anyway as a User, which I am to mass-delete everyone from a list??? in Version 2.0.8??? , Ed Baur From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Sat Jan 5 08:21:28 2002 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 07:21:28 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] My mailman installation is Erractic In-Reply-To: <15824.1010181468@kanga.nu> References: <20020104.15470200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> <15824.1010181468@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20020105.7212800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> I get an constant error in the error log file as follows Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): Traceback (innermost last): Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): kids = main(lock) Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 263, in main Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): mlist.Save() Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): self.__save(dict) Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in __save Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): os.link(fname, fname_last) Jan 05 12:26:17 2002 qrunner(17203): OSError : [Errno 1] Operation not permitted smtp log Jan 03 14:55:02 2002 (17486) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.122 seconds Jan 03 14:55:02 2002 (17486) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.047 seconds Jan 03 14:55:02 2002 (17486) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.154 seconds Jan 03 14:55:03 2002 (17486) smtp for 18 recips, completed in 0.258 seconds Jan 03 14:56:01 2002 (17557) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.042 second qrunner log Jan 05 12:44:02 2002 (17379) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 05 12:46:04 2002 (17399) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 05 12:47:02 2002 (17438) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 05 12:48:02 2002 (17448) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 05 12:49:02 2002 (17458) Could not acquire qrunner lock whats the remedy, how to make mailman stable and running... please help... Thanks in advance Ganeshh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 1/5/02, 3:27:48 AM, J C Lawrence wrote regarding Re: [Mailman-Users] My mailman installation is Erractic : > On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:47:02 GMT > Ganesh HariHaran wrote: > > but this mailman is erratic... where it doesnt posts mails to its > > subscribers constantly... > What do the logs say? > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at kanga.nu Sat Jan 5 10:11:31 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 01:11:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My mailman installation is Erractic In-Reply-To: Message from Ganesh HariHaran of "Sat, 05 Jan 2002 07:21:28 GMT." <20020105.7212800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> References: <20020104.15470200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> <15824.1010181468@kanga.nu> <20020105.7212800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Message-ID: <21434.1010221891@kanga.nu> On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 07:21:28 GMT Ganesh HariHaran wrote: > I get an constant error in the error log file as follows What does check_perms report? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From backdoc at crotchett.com Sat Jan 5 17:05:06 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:05:06 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list aliases Message-ID: <0c2801c19602$bed64920$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> In setting up Mailman with Posftix on a FreeBSD box, I have gotten to the point of creating a test list. I am following the the documentation on the mailman web page. I am not understanding the step where it says, "running newlist will generate a list of aliases that must be added to the system". The question is, "where are the aliases"? I think that I could add them if I new where they were. Thanks, Darren From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Jan 5 17:16:54 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lockfile problems In-Reply-To: <187150000.1010187412@wave> References: <187150000.1010187412@wave> Message-ID: <02010511165400.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com> >From the log trace below, it looks like you are missing your Archive directories (or the rights are not correct for access). Jon Carnes On Friday 04 January 2002 18:36, Andreas Czerniak wrote: > Hi, > > i use MailMan 2.0.8 and have upgrade from v2.0.6 / v2.0.1 (python v1.5.2) > on a linux box. > > After this upgrade i have heavy problems with locks in mailman/locks > The Webpages can't access all processes are stopped. > > In mailman/logs/error can i find following "Delivery exception", but why > ? > > Thx in advanced for help. > > regards, > Andreas. > > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 (28505) Delivery exception: > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 (28505) Traceback (innermost last): > File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, > in do_pipeline > func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, > in process > mlist.Lock() > File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock > self.__lock.lock(timeout) > File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock > raise AlreadyLockedError > AlreadyLockedError: > > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): Traceback (innermost last): > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File > "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): kids = main(lock) > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File > "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 263, in main > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): mlist.Save() > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File > "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File > "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in > CheckHTMLArchiveDir > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): makelink(privdir, pubdir) > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): File > "/usr/local/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in > makelink Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): os.symlink(old, new) > Jan 04 18:32:48 2002 qrunner(28505): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or > directory > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Andreas Czerniak > ac at sevencs.com SevenCs GmbH > Fax: +49 40 8515440 Hamburg > Germany > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From tmiller at nethawk.com Sat Jan 5 17:18:42 2002 From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:18:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Taboo Body? In-Reply-To: <0c2801c19602$bed64920$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020105111549.009f03e0@pop.nethawk.com> Have Mailman 2.0.8 running on several hundred lists. Would like to implement Taboo Body on a per list basis. Any ideas? TIA Tim From backdoc at crotchett.com Sat Jan 5 20:24:37 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:24:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list aliases References: <0c2801c19602$bed64920$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> <20020105112953.A16407@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: <0c7901c1961e$9dd2aea0$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Thanks. Yes, I did run newlist. So, I'm sure the aliases were echoed to my screen. It was about 2:00 am, though. And, since I am new to all of this (Postfix and mail servers in general), evidently I made the decision that I was too tired and mistake prone to read up on where Postfix keeps its aliases. I didn't know if Postfix used /etc/aliases or not. I have /etc/aliases on my box. But, I didn't know if that was left over from Sendmail. All I did after running newlist was make myself a note to do copy the aliases after I got some rest. Darren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Tomblin" To: "Darren" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] test list aliases > Quoting Darren (backdoc at crotchett.com): > > I am not understanding the step where it says, "running newlist will > > generate a list of aliases that must be added to the system". The question > > is, "where are the aliases"? I think that I could add them if I new where > > they were. > > Did you run newlist? Did you see where it printed out on the screen > something like: > > ## rafm mailing list > ## created: 13-Feb-2001 mailman > rafm: "|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post rafm" > rafm-admin: "|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner rafm" > rafm-request: "|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd rafm" > owner-rafm: rafm-admin > rafm-owner: rafm-admin > > That's where they are, and you should cut and paste them into your system > alias file. > > -- > Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody > "You can get anything you want on Alice's NNTP server." > From ptomblin at xcski.com Sat Jan 5 20:55:07 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:55:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list aliases In-Reply-To: <0c7901c1961e$9dd2aea0$6401a8c0@crotchett.com>; from backdoc@crotchett.com on Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 01:24:37PM -0600 References: <0c2801c19602$bed64920$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> <20020105112953.A16407@allhats.xcski.com> <0c7901c1961e$9dd2aea0$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Message-ID: <20020105145507.B26391@allhats.xcski.com> Quoting Darren (backdoc at crotchett.com): > Thanks. Yes, I did run newlist. So, I'm sure the aliases were echoed to my > screen. It was about 2:00 am, though. And, since I am new to all of this > (Postfix and mail servers in general), evidently I made the decision that I > was too tired and mistake prone to read up on where Postfix keeps its > aliases. I didn't know if Postfix used /etc/aliases or not. I have > /etc/aliases on my box. But, I didn't know if that was left over from > Sendmail. Yes, that's where postfix keeps its aliases. I configured my postfix to use two alias files, /etc/alaises and /etc/mailman_aliases (and gave the mailman user write access to /etc/mailman_aliases) to make thing easier. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody Recursion: n., see Recursion. From ac at sevencs.com Sat Jan 5 21:29:18 2002 From: ac at sevencs.com (Andreas Czerniak) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:29:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can i change the archive directory ? Message-ID: <17510000.1010262558@czerny> Hi, i have a simple question. Can i change the archive directory in the config.db's files some lists ? In use: MailMan v2.0.8 ; linux box. Regards, Andreas. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Czerniak - Fax: +49 40 8515440 SevenCs GmbH Hamburg Germany From leoradunz at msn.com Sat Jan 5 03:45:36 2002 From: leoradunz at msn.com (Leo Radunz) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:45:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List problems Message-ID: <000301c19602$0eddc340$a1c7e53f@hppav> Hello. I have two mailing lists at my domain. The first list, I manually enter the addys. The second, the members sign up themselves. Well that isn't working all of the time. Some can't. They get all of the confirm emails, but they do not show up on the list. Any suggestions would be most helpful. Please reply to: Leo at mail2my.com Thank you. Leo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 12/19/2001 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020104/a656a6ec/attachment.html From eyesoar at pronetisp.net Sun Jan 6 04:59:10 2002 From: eyesoar at pronetisp.net (WH) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:59:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman User Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020105225120.009ff740@pop3.norton.antivirus> Hi - I am looking for somewhere to place a small mailing list for a 501(C)3 non-profit club. We are a group of about 120 soaring/sailplane enthusiasts who would like to stay in touch via an e-mail list. Due to our small size we cannot justify setting up our own server, and our web-hosting company (Verio) does not offer e-mail list support. Where can I get a modest e-mail list account for this group? We are willing to pay a small monthly service fee if necessary. We would be able to manage the list for ourselves, I'm certain. Thanks for any suggestions you might have. Wade Hooke (webmaster at harrishillsoaring.org) Harris Hill Soaring Elmira, NY http://www.harrishillsoaring.org From stuart at professional-traders.com Sat Jan 5 13:10:18 2002 From: stuart at professional-traders.com (Stuart Schoengold) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 07:10:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Basic Question In-Reply-To: <20020102190244.A37564@Geeks.ORG> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102113238.00a3d840@mail.teleteam.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net> <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <3C31DF7D.F62B7506@teleteam.net> <20020101133035.B25346@Geeks.ORG> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102054904.00a05a10@mail.teleteam.net> <20020102104617.A33171@Geeks.ORG> <5.1.0.14.2.20020102113238.00a3d840@mail.teleteam.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020105071010.00a24610@mail.professional-traders.com> thanks Mike At 19:02 1/2/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: >On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:33:00AM -0500, trades at teleteam.net wrote: > > Mike do you mean on the web page there is a list if users ?? > >In mailman, there will be a list of users who you are emailing to. > >But if you need help getting something setup, someone here on the >mailman-users at python.org mailing list might be able to help. > > > At 10:46 1/2/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: > > >On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 05:51:09AM -0500, trades at teleteam.net wrote: > > > > I dont have the intelligence to use it without someones help is > > > > there a person like you that I can pay to help me embrace technology > > > > I have a mailing ;ist of about 4000 names and I am presently using > > > > EXTRACTOR but it is not efficient. Can I pay you to help me ?? > > > > > >You should ask on the mailing list whether anyone is willing to help. > > > > > >That is not my business, I operate an ISP. > > > > > > > Peaceful Trading, > > > > > > > > David Henkin, Service Concepts International > > > > 9500 Forest Lane # 540, Dallas TX 75243 > > > > o) 214-221-5123 f) 214-453-8204 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 13:30 1/1/02 -0600, Mike Horwath wrote: > > > > >On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:10:37AM -0500, Josh,Stu,David wrote: > > > > > > Can mailman be downloaded to a Windows 98 computer and be used as > > > > > > a mailing server ? > > > > > > > > > >Mailman is not a mailing server, it is a mailing list server. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG > > > > >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 > > > > >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself > > > > >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG > > >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 > > >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself > > >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. > > > >-- >Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG >Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 >Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself >through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. From michel.cote22 at videotron.ca Sun Jan 6 07:25:12 2002 From: michel.cote22 at videotron.ca (=?iso-8859-1?B?TWljaGVsIEP0dOk=?=) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I use an email interface to subscribe members? Message-ID: <003901c1967a$e8887cc0$41e1c918@michelcote> HI all, I?m wondering if it?s possible to use an email based interface similar to what I?d have using a majordomo? The reason I?m asking is that I wish to be able to subscribe people using my character creation form. First I need to say that my site is to support a Play By Email Game and I handle player subscription via PHP forms and MYSQL. Here?s how it would work. First someone send in a personal profile. When I accept this profile I wish to simply click one button which would send an email to the mailing-list admin tool to subscribe the new player?s email. I do not have direct access to the mailman software since I?m renting space on the server. Thanks for any info. Michel C?t? encounters at millenniumsend.org GM of Millennium's End Encounters http://MillenniumsEnd.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020106/ad3a4d13/attachment.htm From dan at ssc.com Sun Jan 6 07:42:46 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:42:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman User In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20020105225120.009ff740@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <4.2.0.58.20020105225120.009ff740@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <20020105224245.A28574@ssc.com> On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 10:59:10PM -0500, WH wrote: > Hi - > > I am looking for somewhere to place a small mailing list for a 501(C)3 > non-profit club. We are a group of about 120 soaring/sailplane enthusiasts > who would like to stay in touch via an e-mail list. > > Due to our small size we cannot justify setting up our own server, and our > web-hosting company (Verio) does not offer e-mail list support. > > Where can I get a modest e-mail list account for this group? We are > willing to pay a small monthly service fee if necessary. > > We would be able to manage the list for ourselves, I'm certain. > > Thanks for any suggestions you might have. > > Wade Hooke (webmaster at harrishillsoaring.org) > Harris Hill Soaring > Elmira, NY > > http://www.harrishillsoaring.org Well, you've already got a domain name. If anybody with our club has the inclination and knowledge to set up/install a Linux or BSD server on surplus PC hardware (I'm talking the sort that should be available for a couple hundred US dollars or less), that's sufficient to install Mailman. All you need from your web hosting provider is an email forward to the list's posting address. You should be able to stick the server in a broom closet and forget about it. So long as it's a broom closet with a DSL, cable modem, or for the volume you're talking, even a 56K ppp connection. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From backdoc at crotchett.com Sun Jan 6 07:51:52 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] more group id problems Message-ID: <0d5601c1967e$9f8f5120$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> While first setting up Mailman to work with my system (Apache, Postfix and FreeBSD), I ran into a mismatch of GID's. I worked around it by changing Apache to run as user and group to nobody. As far as I can tell, this works fine. Now I am running into more GID errors. This time it is while trying to confirm a registration. Below is part of the error message I received. You will notice that it says, "WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 65534". The mail logs shows basically the same error. The suggestion is to reconfigure. I assume that means running ./configure again. Of course, with the ports system, I never ran it the first time. So, I'm wondering, I can edit the gid's somewhere else? I did see some references to the GID in the Makefile. But, hopefully, there will be an easier way. Anyone know what I should do? Thanks, Darren The Postfix program : Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 65534. (Reconfigure to take 65534?) From backdoc at crotchett.com Sun Jan 6 07:58:41 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:58:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] public lists Message-ID: <0d5e01c1967f$93c10cc0$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Sorry to bombard the list with questions. But, I thought it might be too confusing to put them all in one message. I have one more coming. Anyway, if you go to my website, it will kindly tell you that it has no public mailing lists available. However, I have one that should be listed as being public. How do I do that. I've looked through the admin pages for it. But, I've come up empty. The closest I get is to making the list of members public. But, that's not what I'm looking for. Thanks, Darren From backdoc at crotchett.com Sun Jan 6 08:00:29 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:00:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list Message-ID: <0d5f01c1967f$d435e780$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> I am installing Postfix and Mailman on FreeBSD. I've found the rmlist file and have attempted to use it (from within the /bin directory). But, for some reason, my list keeps showing up. I've tried following the link to the list from localhost using lynx. The page returns, "No such list hinds". That's what the error logs say too. Jan 05 23:09:33 2002 (54196) listinfo: no such list "hinds": If you go to $mydomain/mailman/admin and follow the calculus link, you will get the opportunity to put in a password. However, if you do this from localhost via lynx, you will get the "no such list" error. Here is what happens. When I run ./list_lists, I get the list I created during installation: fbsd# ./list_lists 2 matching mailing lists found: Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] Test - [no description available] When I try to remove it, I get: fbsd# ./rmlist Hinds\ calculus\ ii Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. Removing list info fbsd# ./list_lists 2 matching mailing lists found: Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] Test - [no description available] fbsd# ./rmlist -a Hinds\ calculus\ ii Removing list info hinds calculus ii private archives not found as /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hinds calculus ii Removing private archives Removing public archives Removing public archives fbsd# ./list_lists 2 matching mailing lists found: Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] Test - [no description available] Can you remove a list by just deleting the related directory in /lists/ and its archives? Thanks, Darren From ac at sevencs.com Sun Jan 6 15:51:04 2002 From: ac at sevencs.com (Andreas Czerniak) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:51:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Can i change the archive directory ? In-Reply-To: <17510000.1010262558@czerny> References: <17510000.1010262558@czerny> Message-ID: <89610000.1010328664@czerny> sorry guys - the right answer was: RTFM :-) Thx. Andreas. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Czerniak - Fax: +49 40 8515440 SevenCs GmbH Hamburg Germany From denny at desertcactus.com Sun Jan 6 18:22:54 2002 From: denny at desertcactus.com (denny ladwig) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:22:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman taboo's ? Message-ID: I am converting from Majordomo. I have several "Taboo Body" words in some of the lists. I have not seen where/how to do this in Mailman ? If somebody could point me to the correct area of the documentation it would be appreciated tks in advance -- From jr at online.no Sun Jan 6 20:16:57 2002 From: jr at online.no (Jørn Reidel) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:16:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import users with preset password Message-ID: <002101c196e6$b62929c0$64f04382@eline.no> I have several thousands email addresses in another system, that I wish to import into MailMan. All the users already have a password, so I don't want to give them a new one. I can't find any options for importing with a preset password, but there must be a way to do this? Regards, Jorn Reidel From micah at riseup.net Sun Jan 6 21:12:27 2002 From: micah at riseup.net (Micah Anderson) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:12:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch python errors, bad marshall data Message-ID: <20020106121226.F5509@riseup.net> The archives of a particular list went astray, so I tried to run arch to re-pickle them, it went for some time (we have archives for a couple years), up until December of this year, then it puked, anyone know how to fix this?? 2001-December Traceback (innermost last): File "./arch", line 129, in ? main() File "./arch", line 118, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 528, in processUnixMailbox self.add_article(a) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 928, in add_article self.__super_add_article(article) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 567, in add_article article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 601, in get_parent_info if parentID and not self.database.hasArticle(archive, parentID): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 267, in hasArticle self.__openIndices(archive) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 245, in __openIndices t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 68, in __init__ self.load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 173, in load self.dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data Thanks! Micah From tep at SDSC.EDU Sun Jan 6 22:41:49 2002 From: tep at SDSC.EDU (Tom Perrine) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:41:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch python errors, bad marshall data In-Reply-To: <20020106121226.F5509@riseup.net> (message from Micah Anderson on Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:12:27 -0800) References: <20020106121226.F5509@riseup.net> Message-ID: <200201062141.g06Lfnt12486@lart.sdsc.edu> >>>>> On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:12:27 -0800, Micah Anderson said: Micah> The archives of a particular list went astray, so I tried to run arch Micah> to re-pickle them, it went for some time (we have archives for a Micah> couple years), up until December of this year, then it puked, anyone Micah> know how to fix this?? I have no idea if this is related, but my experience may be interesting... I have a mailing list that has been running since 1994. It has about 20,000 messages in the non-Mailman archives. I have been importing and re-importing it into Mailman, as I was playing with some Mailman options and also correcting corruption in the original archives as part of migration into Mailman. The first few times I cat'ed all the archive files together and ran "arch" on the resulting huge mbox file. This took overnight, most likely because the machine was heavily into swap, and trying to compute long lists of links, etc. Later, I started "arch"-ing the individual files separately. This stayed out of swap and typically runs all the files in less than an hour! I guess what I'm getting at is that the "arch" program uses LOTS of memory when building some of the indexes, and that incremental "arch"-ing may be more efficient and less likely to exercise memory-related bugs in Mailman, Python, or the underlying system. It will also avoid the situations where you hit the pre-process memory limits, which is what I *suspect* has happened to you. -- Tom E. Perrine (tep at SDSC.EDU) | San Diego Supercomputer Center http://www.sdsc.edu/~tep/ | Voice: +1.858.534.5000 "The French are glad to die for love..." - Moulin Rouge From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Mon Jan 7 03:13:10 2002 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:13:10 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing main listinfo page? Message-ID: (Disclaimer: have tried searching the archives, but 'listinfo' is a singularly unproductive search term, due to the footer... :) I'd like to customize the main listinfo page, the one showing all the lists on the host. I don't really know python (yet) but I can easily see what the listinfo.py file is doing, and if I make changes there, they get reflected in the page. This doesn't seem like the direction I want to take, as it seems likely that future upgrades of Mailman may wipe out my changes, so I guess I want to copy the listinfo.py script to a new file and start again. My question is, how on earth does this work? When I go to the URL http://www.mysite.com/mailman/listinfo that is actually referring to the /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo binary, right? Is this a compiled python file? Like .pyc files? The listinfo.pyc and the listinfo file in the cgi-bin aren't the same file from their sizes, so I'm just wondering how this works, I assume the second file calls the listinfo.py file somehow... ? Anyway, I'm about to go searching through the python.org site to get a better grip on all this, but I guess I was just wondering if anyone had any simple suggestions for coming up with an alternative listinfo page... Cheers, nigel -- N i g e l K e r s t e n | College of Fine Arts, [Systems Administrator] | Uni.of.NSW.Sydney.Australia. nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au | ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624 "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder, how I keep from going under" - Grandmaster Flash. From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Mon Jan 7 04:04:13 2002 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:04:13 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing main listinfo page? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, so it's apparently ok for me to customise this page, and I'll get warned when I upgrade. Now for another question... ;) that possibly belongs more on the Dev list, but here goes... I'd like to merge my listinfo page into the rest of my site, so I'd like to use style sheets... My only problem is that I can't see how on earth I can insert anything before the tag in the Document() call in the listinfo page... ? The relevant bit seems to be in htmlformat.py, here... class Document(Container): title = None def SetTitle(self, title): self.title = title def Format(self, indent=0, **kws): tab = ' ' * indent output = ['Content-type: text/html', '', tab, '', '' ] if self.title: output.append('%s%s' % (tab, self.title)) output.append('%s' % tab) output.append('%s wrote: > (Disclaimer: have tried searching the archives, but 'listinfo' is a > singularly unproductive search term, due to the footer... :) > > > I'd like to customize the main listinfo page, the one showing all the lists > on the host. I don't really know python (yet) but I can easily see what the > listinfo.py file is doing, and if I make changes there, they get reflected > in the page. > > This doesn't seem like the direction I want to take, as it seems likely that > future upgrades of Mailman may wipe out my changes, so I guess I want to > copy the listinfo.py script to a new file and start again. > > My question is, how on earth does this work? When I go to the URL > http://www.mysite.com/mailman/listinfo that is actually referring to the > /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo binary, right? > > Is this a compiled python file? Like .pyc files? > > The listinfo.pyc and the listinfo file in the cgi-bin aren't the same file > from their sizes, so I'm just wondering how this works, I assume the second > file calls the listinfo.py file somehow... ? > > Anyway, I'm about to go searching through the python.org site to get a > better grip on all this, but I guess I was just wondering if anyone had any > simple suggestions for coming up with an alternative listinfo page... > > > Cheers, > > > nigel -- N i g e l K e r s t e n | College of Fine Arts, [Systems Administrator] | Uni.of.NSW.Sydney.Australia. nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au | ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624 "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder, how I keep from going under" - Grandmaster Flash. From micah at riseup.net Mon Jan 7 09:39:32 2002 From: micah at riseup.net (Micah Anderson) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:39:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch python errors, bad marshall data In-Reply-To: <200201062141.g06Lfnt12486@lart.sdsc.edu> References: <20020106121226.F5509@riseup.net> <200201062141.g06Lfnt12486@lart.sdsc.edu> Message-ID: <20020107003932.L5509@riseup.net> The machine must have crashed just as a new message was being added, so the pipermail.pck file was corrupt. The fix is to move the old ~malman/archives/public/listname directory out of the way completely and rerun ~mailman/bin/arch on the list, which I've done, and all is good. On Sun, 06 Jan 2002, Tom Perrine wrote: > >>>>> On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:12:27 -0800, Micah Anderson said: > > Micah> The archives of a particular list went astray, so I tried to run arch > Micah> to re-pickle them, it went for some time (we have archives for a > Micah> couple years), up until December of this year, then it puked, anyone > Micah> know how to fix this?? > > I have no idea if this is related, but my experience may be > interesting... > > I have a mailing list that has been running since 1994. It has about > 20,000 messages in the non-Mailman archives. I have been importing > and re-importing it into Mailman, as I was playing with some Mailman > options and also correcting corruption in the original archives as > part of migration into Mailman. > > The first few times I cat'ed all the archive files together and ran > "arch" on the resulting huge mbox file. This took overnight, most > likely because the machine was heavily into swap, and trying to > compute long lists of links, etc. > > Later, I started "arch"-ing the individual files separately. This > stayed out of swap and typically runs all the files in less than an > hour! > > I guess what I'm getting at is that the "arch" program uses LOTS of > memory when building some of the indexes, and that incremental > "arch"-ing may be more efficient and less likely to exercise > memory-related bugs in Mailman, Python, or the underlying system. > > It will also avoid the situations where you hit the pre-process memory > limits, which is what I *suspect* has happened to you. > > -- > Tom E. Perrine (tep at SDSC.EDU) | San Diego Supercomputer Center > http://www.sdsc.edu/~tep/ | Voice: +1.858.534.5000 > "The French are glad to die for love..." - Moulin Rouge From mdv at unsavoury.net Mon Jan 7 19:58:06 2002 From: mdv at unsavoury.net (Maarten de Vries) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:58:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix refuses to relay for Mailman Message-ID: <20020107195658.C22635-100000@manhattan.unsavoury.net> Hi all, if this next question has been asked and answered before I'm sorry, but I've spent all afternoon in vain google'ing to find that answer. Here's what's wrong. I run Mailman 2.0.8 with Postfix (20010228.8_1), on a machine which I'll call 'A.domain.name' here. I've installed Mailman as 'B.domain.name' (yes, 'B.domain.name' has a valid A-record), so when for instance a user is added to a list, an e-mail will be sent from 'list-admin at B.domain.name' to 'user at external.domain'. This gives the following error: Jan 7 17:55:23 A postfix/smtpd[22053]: reject: RCPT from localhost[127.0.0.1]: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; from= to= Obviously, Postfix doesn't want to relay mail for host 'B', which is on the same server. I've tried tons of different options in main.cf (of course followed everytime by a 'postfix reload', but no cigar. What am I missing here? How do I tell Postfix to relay for host 'B'? I know that this might not be the right list to post this on, but since I'm told that Mailman is developed mainly on Postfix, I was hoping to find some answers here still :-) Thanks in advance, -- mdv at unsavoury.net all rights reserved, all wrongs reversed From dan at ssc.com Mon Jan 7 20:11:00 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:11:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix refuses to relay for Mailman In-Reply-To: <20020107195658.C22635-100000@manhattan.unsavoury.net> References: <20020107195658.C22635-100000@manhattan.unsavoury.net> Message-ID: <20020107111100.E15553@ssc.com> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:58:06PM +0100, Maarten de Vries wrote: > Hi all, > > if this next question has been asked and answered before I'm sorry, but > I've spent all afternoon in vain google'ing to find that answer. > > Here's what's wrong. I run Mailman 2.0.8 with Postfix (20010228.8_1), on a > machine which I'll call 'A.domain.name' here. I've installed Mailman as > 'B.domain.name' (yes, 'B.domain.name' has a valid A-record), so when for > instance a user is added to a list, an e-mail will be sent from > 'list-admin at B.domain.name' to 'user at external.domain'. This gives the > following error: > > Jan 7 17:55:23 A postfix/smtpd[22053]: reject: RCPT from > localhost[127.0.0.1]: 554 : Recipient address > rejected: Relay access denied; from= > to= > > Obviously, Postfix doesn't want to relay mail for host 'B', which is on > the same server. I've tried tons of different options in main.cf (of > course followed everytime by a 'postfix reload', but no cigar. > > What am I missing here? How do I tell Postfix to relay for host 'B'? > > I know that this might not be the right list to post this on, but since > I'm told that Mailman is developed mainly on Postfix, I was hoping to find > some answers here still :-) > > Thanks in advance, > -- > mdv at unsavoury.net > all rights reserved, all wrongs reversed > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Did you add B.domain.name to your host's "mydestination" list? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ridalski at nandomedia.com Mon Jan 7 21:12:23 2002 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:12:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix refuses to relay for Mailman In-Reply-To: <20020107195658.C22635-100000@manhattan.unsavoury.net> Message-ID: Here's what I have in my main.cf file relay_domains = $mydestination, /etc/postfix/relay-domains the relay-domains is simple file with all the domains I relay for listed in it. -Richard Idalski -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Maarten de Vries Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:58 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix refuses to relay for Mailman Hi all, if this next question has been asked and answered before I'm sorry, but I've spent all afternoon in vain google'ing to find that answer. Here's what's wrong. I run Mailman 2.0.8 with Postfix (20010228.8_1), on a machine which I'll call 'A.domain.name' here. I've installed Mailman as 'B.domain.name' (yes, 'B.domain.name' has a valid A-record), so when for instance a user is added to a list, an e-mail will be sent from 'list-admin at B.domain.name' to 'user at external.domain'. This gives the following error: Jan 7 17:55:23 A postfix/smtpd[22053]: reject: RCPT from localhost[127.0.0.1]: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; from= to= Obviously, Postfix doesn't want to relay mail for host 'B', which is on the same server. I've tried tons of different options in main.cf (of course followed everytime by a 'postfix reload', but no cigar. What am I missing here? How do I tell Postfix to relay for host 'B'? I know that this might not be the right list to post this on, but since I'm told that Mailman is developed mainly on Postfix, I was hoping to find some answers here still :-) Thanks in advance, -- mdv at unsavoury.net all rights reserved, all wrongs reversed ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Mon Jan 7 22:13:34 2002 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:13:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] several questions Message-ID: I'm setting up a few lists and have several questions. First, although I have the administrivia option set to 0 ("No"), I still continue receiving a lot of post approval messages. It wouldn't be so bad, but most of the posts are from people in the list's "Addresses of members accepted for posting". What gives? Also, I have the list set to autoreply when someone posts to it. I want it to reply except in the case where the poster is in the "Addresses of members accepted for posting" list. Unfortunately, everyone gets the autoreply. Any way to set this the way I want it? Also, I don't want my list members to have to use a password. Is there a way around passwords in mailman, or are they gonna have to live with it? TIF, Ron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 1021 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020107/5cc9efba/attachment.rtf From mark at amplex.net Mon Jan 7 23:00:32 2002 From: mark at amplex.net (Mark Radabaugh (Amplex)) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:00:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problems with IE, Netscape works OK Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107162534.00a815b8@mailsrv.amplex.net> I seem to have major problems using Internet Explorer with my installation of Mailman 2.0.8 on a FreeBSD/Apache box. If I do not create a list called 'mailman' then IE complains every time that the list mailman doesn't exist when you go to http://mailman.amplex.net/mailman/listinfo. If I do create the list called mailman then you always end up at http://mailman.amplex.net/mailman/listinfo/mailman when you try to visit the listinfo page. The same problem occurs under the admin pages - without a mailman list it complains and won't let you into any of the sites. With the mailman list in existence then the only thing that comes up is the 'mailman' list but you can't do anything with it. With Netscape everything works fine.... Clearing cookies doesn't seem to have much affect at all... Any ideas? Mark Radabaugh Amplex From backdoc at crotchett.com Mon Jan 7 23:09:57 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:09:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list References: <0d5f01c1967f$d435e780$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> <20020107104034.A1344@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <045001c197c8$0b6b0160$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> I gave this a try. Is there a more brutal way? What if I manually delete references to it in /mailman/lists and /mailman/archives? Darren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Szilard Vizi" To: "Darren" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] removing a list > Hello, > > Darren writes: > > When I try to remove it, I get: > > fbsd# ./rmlist Hinds\ calculus\ ii > Try to remove the list like this: > ./rmlist "Hinds calculus ii" > > Szilard Vizi > ------------- > mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu UIN:10676592 > From admin at upbeats.com Sun Jan 6 08:03:23 2002 From: admin at upbeats.com (Kevin Phillips) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:03:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman User References: <4.2.0.58.20020105225120.009ff740@pop3.norton.antivirus> <20020105224245.A28574@ssc.com> Message-ID: <3C37F6BA.CFD88022@upbeats.com> Hi Wade, I'm new here so I hope this is not a newbie mistake - I don't use opt-in listserves for advertising but since you asked I can offer you a place for your non-profit to host your email list. We currently provide email listserves for all of our clients who host with us but we can make special arrangements since you only need a list and not a web hosting package. We also discount all services for non-profit organizations and organizations helping the disabled community. If you're interested, you can contact me off this list at kevin at upbeats.net. We own both www.upbeats.com (independent artists) and www.upbeats.net (web hosting). Cheers, Kevin BTW, this is a great list here at python.org- it's helped us a lot! Dan Wilder wrote: > On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 10:59:10PM -0500, WH wrote: > > Hi - > > > > I am looking for somewhere to place a small mailing list for a 501(C)3 > > non-profit club. We are a group of about 120 soaring/sailplane enthusiasts > > who would like to stay in touch via an e-mail list. > > > > Due to our small size we cannot justify setting up our own server, and our > > web-hosting company (Verio) does not offer e-mail list support. > > > > Where can I get a modest e-mail list account for this group? We are > > willing to pay a small monthly service fee if necessary. > > > > We would be able to manage the list for ourselves, I'm certain. > > > > Thanks for any suggestions you might have. > > > > Wade Hooke (webmaster at harrishillsoaring.org) > > Harris Hill Soaring > > Elmira, NY > > > > http://www.harrishillsoaring.org > > Well, you've already got a domain name. > > If anybody with our club has the inclination and knowledge to > set up/install a Linux or BSD server on surplus PC hardware (I'm > talking the sort that should be available for a couple hundred > US dollars or less), that's sufficient to install Mailman. > > All you need from your web hosting provider is an email forward > to the list's posting address. You should be able to stick > the server in a broom closet and forget about it. So long > as it's a broom closet with a DSL, cable modem, or for the > volume you're talking, even a 56K ppp connection. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor > SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 > Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From steinar_eliassen at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 16:10:50 2002 From: steinar_eliassen at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Steinar=20Eliassen?=) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:10:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature i REALLY miss in gnu/mailman Message-ID: <20020106151050.26037.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> Due to the very nice web-based interface to GNU/Mailman, i have taken nearly all my mailinglists from Majordomo to GNU/Mailman. But in this time of HUGE ammont of email viruses, there is just ONE THING i miss with mailman, that should be VERY simple to implement... GNU/Mailman can bounce messages that contain stuff in the header of a message like TABOO_HEADER in Majordomo, but lacks the TABOO_BODY (bounce emails that contains certain stuff in the body of the message). This is VERY handy for bouncing emails that contains executables, WORD doduments, Java / VB scripts and simular, _very_ handy to stop viruses from coming to the list! :) I hope this can be implemented! :) ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Norge - no.yahoo.com From mail at it-careernet.com Mon Jan 7 16:15:59 2002 From: mail at it-careernet.com (ITC) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:15:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for NT Servers ? Message-ID: <005301c1978e$4e3dd5b0$2984adac@WEB01> Hello, Do you have a Mailman version that runs on a NT platform, or know were I can find one. Sincere regards, Roger Krieger MARCO POLO RALLY Tel +1 978 287 4855 43 Partridge Lane Fax +1 978 287 0198 Carlisle, MA 01741 Cell +1 508 560 3556 USA Unified Messaging Germany: Tel +49 69 25577 920 Please join our mailing list: http://www.topica.com/lists/RALLY2000/ rally at it-careernet.com www.it-careernet.com/rally2000, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020107/4060a4d7/attachment.htm From abonilla at cielap.org Mon Jan 7 17:39:07 2002 From: abonilla at cielap.org (Anicia Bonilla) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:39:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] information needed Message-ID: <001b01c19799$d4333240$6101a8c0@domaincom> Hello, Can I use this software to do my listserve. I send a newsletter and announcements every quarterly. Is there any hidden cost to use this ? How do I get started? I use outlook for e-mail and maximizer (contact manager) for my database sending messages out. Is this compatible to do this job(newsletter). Please advise. Any comments is greatly appreciated. thank you. Anicia Bonilla Office Administrator The Canadian Institute for Environmental Law and Policy 517 College Street, Suite 400 Toronto, Ontario M6G 4A2 Tel: 416-923-3529 Fax: 416-923-5949 Email:cielap at cielap.org From sxpst1 at seyyav.pair.com Mon Jan 7 20:24:48 2002 From: sxpst1 at seyyav.pair.com (sxpst1 at seyyav.pair.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:24:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] digests thresholds being ignored Message-ID: <20020107192448.15017.qmail@seyyav.pair.com> Hi, I have been experiencing some problems with mailman ignoring the send daily digest option. It seems to wait for the threshold to be triggered and sometimes it even ignores that. Are there any obivous problems that cause such behavior or is there something that I can check as to why the digests are being sent out? Thanks, Sean From dgiambra at tahoe.com Mon Jan 7 21:06:52 2002 From: dgiambra at tahoe.com (Dana Giambra) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:06:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems establishing new list Message-ID: <014b01c197b6$e23d3a30$c100050a@dana> I have recently moved my hosting for http://www.giambraplace.com to hostfinity.com and Mailman is used for mailing list. I set up a new mailing list (Cfcollectors) and did a test subscribe to make sure it was functional before I transfer subscribers from the previous list, but it doesn't appear to be working. I received a copy of the new subscriber (dana at giambraplace.com) at my admin e-mail address: cflist at giambraplace.com, but I (the subscriber) never received a welcome message confirming the subscription? I have "Send welcome message when people subscribe" set as "yes" under general options. When I look at the subscribers list it shows no subscribers??? I changed the DNS to the new hostfinity name servers on January 5 and the change in the WhoIs database. Would the problem with the list be related to waiting for the change to propagate across the net, or is there something else I've done incorrectly? Thank you for your assistance, Dana Giambra giambraplace.com dana at giambraplace.com P.S. I'm sending this message from my work e-mail address -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020107/0ed5a10f/attachment.html From cfudge at interactive-projects.com Tue Jan 8 00:23:23 2002 From: cfudge at interactive-projects.com (Chris Fudge) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:23:23 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no email back Message-ID: Hi, I have installed Mailman (i believe) correctly. When I try to setup a test list it appears to create one correctly, however I do not recieve an email to the address I specify as administrator for the list. Any info that may help would be greatly appreciated ( I have looked ta user groups/faq's and have not found anything of help). I am using red hat 6.1, python 2.0.1. Kind Regards Chris Fudge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020107/a49a9d4e/attachment.htm From dan at ssc.com Tue Jan 8 00:44:22 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:44:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] information needed In-Reply-To: <001b01c19799$d4333240$6101a8c0@domaincom> References: <001b01c19799$d4333240$6101a8c0@domaincom> Message-ID: <20020107154422.C16658@ssc.com> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:39:07AM -0500, Anicia Bonilla wrote: > Hello, > > Can I use this software to do my listserve. I send a newsletter and > announcements every quarterly. Is there > any hidden cost to use this ? How do I get started? I use outlook for e-mail > and maximizer (contact manager) > for my database sending messages out. Is this compatible to do this > job(newsletter). Please advise. > Any comments is greatly appreciated. > > thank you. > > Anicia Bonilla > Office Administrator > The Canadian Institute for Environmental Law and Policy > 517 College Street, Suite 400 > Toronto, Ontario > M6G 4A2 > Tel: 416-923-3529 Fax: 416-923-5949 > Email:cielap at cielap.org > If you have or can acquire a UNIX or Linux or BSD server on which you might set up Mailman, it shouldn't matter how you originate the messages, as long as they're available as standard protocols at some point in the process. That is, generate the messages as you will, and email them to the list server. So far as I'm aware, nobody has yet gotten Mailman running on NT or its cousins. There's no charge for the software, and no charge for the excellent support the software enjoys through this mailing list. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mdv at unsavoury.net Tue Jan 8 00:51:36 2002 From: mdv at unsavoury.net (Maarten de Vries) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:51:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix refuses to relay for Mailman In-Reply-To: <20020107111100.E15553@ssc.com> Message-ID: <20020108005046.D22953-100000@manhattan.unsavoury.net> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Dan Wilder wrote: > Did you add B.domain.name to your host's "mydestination" list? I've tried that, yeah- didn't work. Please keep in mind that this is about _outgoing_ mail. -- mdv at unsavoury.net all rights reserved, all wrongs reversed From dan at ssc.com Tue Jan 8 00:53:19 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:53:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature i REALLY miss in gnu/mailman In-Reply-To: <20020106151050.26037.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020106151050.26037.qmail@web9401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020107155319.E16658@ssc.com> On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 04:10:50PM +0100, Steinar Eliassen wrote: > Due to the very nice web-based interface to GNU/Mailman, i have taken nearly > all my mailinglists from Majordomo to GNU/Mailman. But in this time of HUGE > ammont of email viruses, there is just ONE THING i miss with mailman, that > should be VERY simple to implement... > > GNU/Mailman can bounce messages that contain stuff in the header of a message > like TABOO_HEADER in Majordomo, but lacks the TABOO_BODY (bounce emails that > contains certain stuff in the body of the message). This is VERY handy for > bouncing emails that contains executables, WORD doduments, Java / VB scripts > and simular, _very_ handy to stop viruses from coming to the list! :) > > I hope this can be implemented! :) > > ______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Norge - no.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > No doubt there are plans in progress. Meantime, you can achieve very flexible screening by front-ending mailman's submission address with procmail, or any one of several other filters. I myself wouldn't even consider operating a mailing list without a screening filter on the front end. That's what we did with our Majordomo lists, and that's what we do now that all our lists have been moved to Mailman. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mi at alma.ch Tue Jan 8 01:06:50 2002 From: mi at alma.ch (Mi) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:06:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big mail not stopped despite limit Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108010259.02f085f0@net1.alma.local> Hi, A 600K. mail just went through one of my lists, even though there is a limit at 40K. It's a (badly it seems) moderated list. Would that override the size limit? Thanks, Mi From fball at franciscans.com Tue Jan 8 02:04:59 2002 From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:04:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big mail not stopped despite limit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108010259.02f085f0@net1.alma.local> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020107190422.01aa2530@mail.jfredball.com> At 06:06 PM 1/7/2002, Mi wrote: >A 600K. mail just went through one of my lists, even though there is a >limit at 40K. > >It's a (badly it seems) moderated list. Would that override the size limit? Sure, if someone with admin privileges for that list approved the message to go through. Fred From mark at amplex.net Tue Jan 8 02:10:20 2002 From: mark at amplex.net (Mark Radabaugh) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:10:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problems with IE, Netscape works OK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Harold Paulson wrote: > Mark, > > what do your Alias-es look like in your Apache config? > > - H > -- > > Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design > haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com > VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 > Knew I should have included that :-) ServerAdmin support at amplex.net ServerName mailman.amplex.net DocumentRoot /www/mailman ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/home/mailman/cgi-bin/" Options FollowSymLinks Alias /icons/ "/usr/home/mailman/icons/" Alias /pipermail/ "usr/home/mailman/archives/public/" Mark From Gfmhome at aol.com Tue Jan 8 02:22:25 2002 From: Gfmhome at aol.com (Gfmhome at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:22:25 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1700 - 12 msgs Message-ID: <153.6e90c01.296ba3d1@aol.com> please remove me from this list. Thanks. Gfmhome at aol.com From marc_news at vasoftware.com Mon Jan 7 08:15:44 2002 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:15:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] arch python errors, bad marshall data In-Reply-To: <200201062141.g06Lfnt12486@lart.sdsc.edu>; from tep@SDSC.EDU on Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:41:49PM -0800 References: <20020106121226.F5509@riseup.net> <200201062141.g06Lfnt12486@lart.sdsc.edu> Message-ID: <20020107081544.C6712@merlins.org> On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:41:49PM -0800, Tom Perrine wrote: > I guess what I'm getting at is that the "arch" program uses LOTS of > memory when building some of the indexes, and that incremental > "arch"-ing may be more efficient and less likely to exercise > memory-related bugs in Mailman, Python, or the underlying system. I was asking about this recently (never had the time to try it out): So you are saying that arch can be fed let's say weekly or monthly mbox files and it will correctly generate the archive? I've considered doing this on setups where I can't afford to run arch for every single message posted (and delay qrunner as a result), but where I should be able to run it for batches of messages once a night (strace has shown me that arch is very slow at editing the huge HTML pages to add one message at the bottom, but my hope is that if you add a batch, it does not incrementally add the messages one per one) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From denny at desertcactus.com Tue Jan 8 04:41:49 2002 From: denny at desertcactus.com (denny ladwig) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Administrator question Message-ID: Folks - As a list admin. I have been able to "unsubscribe" other people using "email" as in: unsubscribe (admin passwd) somebody at foobar.com However I can't seem to get it to accept a subscribe message sent as follows: subscribe (admin passwd) nodigest address=somebody at foobar.com Using the syntax above it wants to subscribe the originator of the email (me) vice the person specified in the line. What am I doing wrong ? tks denny -- From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Tue Jan 8 05:59:40 2002 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:59:40 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] My mailman installation is Erractic In-Reply-To: <21434.1010221891@kanga.nu> References: <20020104.15470200@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> <15824.1010181468@kanga.nu> <20020105.7212800@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> <21434.1010221891@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20020108.4594000@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> check_perms script output NO problems found what is the next step to do do??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 1/5/02, 2:41:31 PM, J C Lawrence wrote regarding Re: [Mailman-Users] My mailman installation is Erractic : > On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 07:21:28 GMT > Ganesh HariHaran wrote: > > I get an constant error in the error log file as follows > What does check_perms report? > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Tue Jan 8 07:45:30 2002 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:45:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Question Message-ID: <20020108003747.M38651-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> FreeBSD 4.4, Postfix I am preparing to install mailman-2.0.8 on my system according to my INSTALL document. In step 1, I was told to create user and group mailman by modifying the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files. Is it good enough to create these accounts/groups by placing them alone on a single line, or should I fill in the other atributes? In FreeBSD, /etc/passwd and /etc/group have the fields delimited by colons. I am not entirely clear on what each of these fields represent, but should I know what to enter for the shell path, home dir path, real name, et cetera? TIA Tim Legg From dan at ssc.com Tue Jan 8 07:56:51 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:56:51 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Question In-Reply-To: <20020108003747.M38651-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> References: <20020108003747.M38651-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <20020107225651.A17948@ssc.com> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:45:30AM -0600, Tim Legg wrote: > FreeBSD 4.4, Postfix > > I am preparing to install mailman-2.0.8 on my system according to my > INSTALL document. In step 1, I was told to create user and group mailman > by modifying the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files. > > Is it good enough to create these accounts/groups by placing them alone on > a single line, or should I fill in the other atributes? > > In FreeBSD, /etc/passwd and /etc/group have the fields delimited by > colons. I am not entirely clear on what each of these fields represent, > but should I know what to enter for the shell path, home dir path, real > name, et cetera? > > TIA > > Tim Legg > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > You'll probably have to fill all those fields in. Try man 5 passwd man 5 group for some hints. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com Tue Jan 8 08:58:09 2002 From: ganeshh at lateralsoftware.com (Ganesh HariHaran) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 07:58:09 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Kind attn: about long standing problems of Mailman Message-ID: <20020108.7580900@ganeshh.naturesoft.com> Dear List I have a my mailman running unstabe for a long time. I dont have a permanent break to this problem. I have mailed to lists many times about the same , but i havent able to come out of it. I need your esteemed help on this to solve this problem. The details: Tools: Redhat 6.2 with static IP and domain name Sendmail 8.9 Apache 1.3.12 Mailman 2.0.6 No. of Lists running is 3 The Problem the list mails are not postings to subscribers at all. The Logs: qrunner: Jan 08 13:14:01 2002 (25531) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 08 13:15:01 2002 (25546) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 08 13:17:01 2002 (25577) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 08 13:18:01 2002 (25596) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 08 13:19:01 2002 (25619) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jan 08 13:20:02 2002 (25675) Could not acquire qrunner lock error: Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 (22214) Delivery exception: Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 (22214) Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process mlist.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1339, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock raise AlreadyLockedError AlreadyLockedError: Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): Traceback (innermost last): Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): kids = main(lock) Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 263, in main Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): mlist.Save() Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): self.__save(dict) Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in __save Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): os.link(fname, fname_last) Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 qrunner(22214): OSError : [Errno 1] Operation not permitted smtp: Jan 02 23:58:01 2002 (3289) smtp for 10 recips, completed in 0.979 seconds Jan 03 14:55:02 2002 (17486) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.122 seconds Jan 03 14:55:02 2002 (17486) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.047 seconds Jan 03 14:55:02 2002 (17486) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.154 seconds Jan 03 14:55:03 2002 (17486) smtp for 18 recips, completed in 0.258 seconds Jan 03 14:56:01 2002 (17557) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.042 seconds Jan 08 10:37:45 2002 (20987) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 5.368 seconds Subscribe: Jan 03 20:16:14 2002 (24044) employeens: pending edwinraj at naturesoft.net edwinraj at naturesoft.net Jan 04 09:43:11 2002 (29159) forum: pending cognitix at yahoo.com cognitix at yahoo.com Jan 05 02:13:35 2002 (14262) employeens: pending edwin_l at naturesoft.net edwin_l at naturesoft.net Jan 05 19:41:12 2002 (20113) employeens: pending sathya_r at naturesoft.net sathya_r at naturesoft.net Jan 06 15:45:14 2002 (28020) employeens: pending shankar_j at naturesoft.net shankar_j at naturesoft.net Jan 08 11:14:45 2002 (22214) test: pending ganeshh at naturesoft.net ganeshh at naturesoft.net My qrunner daemon is constantly running... What should be the ownership and file rights to mailman directory and subdirectory and key files.. where could be the problem and how to solve this.. i am ready to reinstall this... if someone can give me clear instructions for installing it. Please help me out on this... Thanks in Advance Regards Ganeshh From claw at kanga.nu Tue Jan 8 10:03:22 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:03:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Question In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Wilder of "Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:56:51 PST." <20020107225651.A17948@ssc.com> References: <20020108003747.M38651-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> <20020107225651.A17948@ssc.com> Message-ID: <30687.1010480602@kanga.nu> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:56:51 -0800 Dan Wilder wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:45:30AM -0600, Tim Legg wrote: >> FreeBSD 4.4, Postfix >> I am preparing to install mailman-2.0.8 on my system according to >> my INSTALL document. In step 1, I was told to create user and >> group mailman by modifying the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files. >> >> Is it good enough to create these accounts/groups by placing them >> alone on a single line, or should I fill in the other atributes? > You'll probably have to fill all those fields in. My preference: # adduser --in-group mailman mailman Then edit /etc/shadow (if you're using shadow passwords, or /etc/passwd and set the passwd to "*" while making sure that the user's shell is something like /bin/flase, /dev/null, or similar. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at Tue Jan 8 10:31:44 2002 From: kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at (Dipl.-Ing. Edith Kemeny) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:31:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] not posting to the list Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020108101641.00b47cd0@pc6064.mos.siemens.at> Dear All I use mailman 2.0.7 (and RedHat Linux 6.2) I can create a list and user can also subscribe to the list via web The problem is: THE MAILS; WHICH I SEND TO THE LIST, WILL NOT BE POSTED /home/mailman/logs "error" - is emty "smtp" and "grunner" - not exist, it it wrong with something? "post" and "subscribe" - seem to be all rigth: "post": Jan 04 14:28:55 2002 (949) post to test1 from mailman-owner at pcc101.mos.siemens.at, size=1335, success Jan 04 14:35:09 2002 (1038) post to test1 from test1-request at pcc101.mos.siemens.at, size=786, success Jan 04 14:35:39 2002 (1043) post to test1 from test1-request at pcc101.mos.siemens.at, size=786, success Jan 04 14:36:43 2002 (1056) post to test1 from test1-request at pcc101.mos.siemens.at, size=780, success "subscribe": Jan 04 14:35:09 2002 (1038) test1: pending ekemeny at pcc101.mos.siemens.at 158.226.12.147 Jan 04 14:35:39 2002 (1043) test1: pending kemenye at pc6064.mos.siemens.at 158.226.12.147 Jan 04 14:36:43 2002 (1056) test1: pending edith.kemeny at siemens.at 158.226.12.147 /var/log "cron": root (01/08-10:25:00-8254) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news) mailman (01/08-10:26:01-8259) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner) root (01/08-10:26:01-8260) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner) mailman (01/08-10:26:59-8271) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner) root (01/08-10:26:59-8272) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner) "maillog": Jan 8 10:26:24 pcc101 sendmail[8263]: KAA08262: to=/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test1, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=*file*, stat=Sent Jan 8 10:26:44 pcc101 sendmail[8266]: KAA08266: from=, size=769, class=0, pri=30769, nrcpts=1, msgid=<07449BC3DF01D3119B1F0800060D98A205D7BF33 at vies197a.sie.siemens.at>, proto=ESMTP, relay=scesie13.sie.siemens.at [158.226.135.3] Jan 8 10:26:44 pcc101 sendmail[8267]: KAA08266: to=/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test1, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=*file*, stat=Sent Is there some other file to find the problem? Why does not exist the file grunner in /home/mailman/logs? Thank you for help Best regards DI Edith Kemeny From info at frizon.org Tue Jan 8 10:37:36 2002 From: info at frizon.org (Frizon Development) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:37:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat 7.0 + Postfix + Mailman Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108103707.00d51960@mail.frizon.org> Anyone have a howto to make config work? //Mattias From devdas at worldgatein.net Tue Jan 8 11:00:24 2002 From: devdas at worldgatein.net (Devdas Bhagat) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:30:24 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat 7.0 + Postfix + Mailman In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108103707.00d51960@mail.frizon.org>; from info@frizon.org on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:37:36AM +0100 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108103707.00d51960@mail.frizon.org> Message-ID: <20020108153024.B1140@rivendell.worldgatein.net> On 08/01/02 10:37 +0100, Frizon Development wrote: > Anyone have a howto to make config work? First install Apache. Then compile and install postfix. In /etc/postfix/main.cf (default config file), add the domains your lists will be on to mydestination if this is a primary domain for you box. If it is a virtual host, virtual_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/virtual,hash:/etc/postfix/mailman in /etc/postfix/mailman lists.dom.ain OK list at dom.ain list_list list-request at dom.ain list_list-request ....... In /etc/aliases list_list: "|/path/to/list/wrapper post" .......... Basically, use virtual to pass to aliases which passes to the appropriate pipe/script. This is explained in detail in the INSTALL file. Devdas Bhagat From subhasis at iopb.res.in Tue Jan 8 13:33:29 2002 From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:03:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail Message-ID: Hello, I am very new in this. I configure Mailman just 2 days back. I am able to creat a list as "test" and add member to that. If any of thise member is sending a mail to that "test" list all of them should get it, no one is able to get that. However all the members are able to get "Test digest, Vol 1 #1 - 6 msgs" and this contains all the messages that the members of that list sent. Waht could be the problem.... Please help me, thanks in advance. -- With Best Regards, Subhasis Mahapatra Institute Of Physics,BBSR. From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Tue Jan 8 13:38:08 2002 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hierarchical mailing-lists? Message-ID: I would like to have all members of various mailing-lists to be automatically subscribed to one mailing-list joining them all. In fact, I would like to send to all Unix admins of all my servers (at least one mailing-list per server) with one single list. Maybe I'm not taking the problem the right way. Tell me so! From dabad at cidadei.com.br Tue Jan 8 14:48:08 2002 From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:48:08 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patches! Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C4CA@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Hi all! Anyone knows how to use mailman without pass?? Is it possible? I couldn?t find a path for it... I really need this! Tks all!! Daniel From vizisz at freemail.hu Tue Jan 8 14:43:04 2002 From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Szilard Vizi) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:43:04 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hierarchical mailing-lists? In-Reply-To: ; from jwarnier@mrbc.irisnet.be on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:38:08PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20020108144304.E1511@freemail.hu> Hello, Jerome Warnier writes: > I would like to have all members of various mailing-lists to be automatically > subscribed to one mailing-list joining them all. You need a script something like this: ----------------------join.sh---------------------------------- #!/bin/bash find /home/mailman/lists/ -type d|sed 's/\/home\/mailman\/lists\///g' > /tmp/listnames for i in `cat /tmp/listnames`; do /home/mailman/bin/list_members $i > /tmp/member1; done sort /tmp/member1|uniq > /tmp/members /home/mailman/bin/sync_members --welcome-msg=no -f /tmp/members $1 rm -f /tmp/listnames /tmp/member1 /tmp/members ---------------------join.sh----------------------------------- Run like this: % ./join.sh joined_mailinglist_name After that remove the unwanted mailing-lists, keep only the joined mailinglist. I haven't tested this script, please be carefully with it and modify for your configuration. Bye, Szilard Vizi ------------- mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu UIN:10676592 From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Tue Jan 8 16:03:19 2002 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:03:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hierarchical mailing-lists? Message-ID: How? > Why not building an umbrella list ? > > > I would like to have all members of various mailing-lists to be > > automatically subscribed to one mailing-list joining them all. > > > > In fact, I would like to send to all Unix admins of all my servers (at > > least one mailing-list per server) with one single list. > > > > Maybe I'm not taking the problem the right way. Tell me so! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > This mail has been checked by exiscan. > To be safe, please scan the mail attachements with your local virus scanner ! > From subhasis at iopb.res.in Tue Jan 8 16:20:58 2002 From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:50:58 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: hi, If some user has subscribed in a mailing list as Digest mode, how can the user can conver to regular mode? What is the way the list-owner can conver that user to regular mode? thanx in advance. -- With Best Regards, Subhasis Mahapatra Institute Of Physics,BBSR. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 8 16:54:41 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:54:41 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108155209.02c77c18@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 20:50 08/01/2002 +0530, Subhasis Mahapatra wrote: >hi, > >If some user has subscribed in a mailing list as Digest mode, how can the >user can conver to regular mode? > >What is the way the list-owner can conver that user to regular mode? >thanx in advance. Change the 'digest' check box for the user concerned on the Membership Management page of the admin web GUI. Alternatively the user can make the change for them self by going via the listinfo page for the list, entering their subscription e-mail address and clicking the Edit Options button. On the form then returned they can change their own digest option. Mailman has it all, you just need to look at the web interfaces provided! >-- >With Best Regards, >Subhasis Mahapatra >Institute Of Physics,BBSR. > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From macdaddy at bluesmobile.com Tue Jan 8 16:56:04 2002 From: macdaddy at bluesmobile.com (Matthew Shames) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:56:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] special characters in name and address Message-ID: <388ADC5C-0450-11D6-BFEF-0030654877C0@bluesmobile.com> Hey folks, I hope you don't mind another question from a Mailman "newbie". I am another of the Mac enthusiasts who have moved over to OS X in the past couple of years, and am enjoying expanding my knowledge to include some UNIX basics. I've noticed a strange problem whereby Mailman appears to munge the "From" address when it contains both a name and an address, and the name contains a period. The setup: Mailman 2.0.7 on OS X 10.1.2, with Postfix (20010228-pl08) as the MTA. The list in question is called "test", and restricts postings to subscribed users. If I send a message, and the "From" header is set to: Matthew E. Shames Mailman rejects it because it states that it is being sent from matthewe.shames at bluesmobile.com. Additionally, it tries to send a bounce message to matthewe.shames at bluesmobile.com, which is not a valid address, so the postmaster (also me) gets notified. Now, if I set the "From" header to: Matthew Shames the message goes through without any incident. Additionally, if I set member_posting_only to false, messages from either scenario make it through without incident. I'm not completely sure if this is a postfix issue, or a mailman issue, or something else. However, I don't seem to have this issue when sending non-list mail through postfix. I hope this makes sense--I'd be happy to explain further. If anyone has any insights, I'd be most grateful. Thanks, matt From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 8 16:58:38 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:58:38 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hierarchical mailing-lists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108155807.02c77c18@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 16:03 08/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: >How? Why not look at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp > > Why not building an umbrella list ? > > > > > I would like to have all members of various mailing-lists to be > > > automatically subscribed to one mailing-list joining them all. > > > > > > In fact, I would like to send to all Unix admins of all my servers (at > > > least one mailing-list per server) with one single list. > > > > > > Maybe I'm not taking the problem the right way. Tell me so! > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > This mail has been checked by exiscan. > > To be safe, please scan the mail attachements with your local virus > scanner ! > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From info at frizon.org Tue Jan 8 17:01:02 2002 From: info at frizon.org (Frizon Development) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:01:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installed problems... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108165834.00dc5538@mail.frizon.org> For anyone thats installed mailman using a RPM file you might have found that together with postfix this generates a dilemma. Namely on the cgi part... "/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd users". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?)" This is the 2.0.3 specifically designed for RH 7.0... I've tried 2.0.8 also with the same result... So how to fix this without recompiling? And since its a RPM it doesnt have any sources.. and the ./configure would have to about a mile long to get it to work again... From subhasis at iopb.res.in Tue Jan 8 17:00:25 2002 From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:30:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108155209.02c77c18@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: thanks Richard , Is there any way to do it without web-based interface.... user can do it through email and that I have tested. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Richard Barrett wrote: > Change the 'digest' check box for the user concerned on the Membership > Management page of the admin web GUI. > > Alternatively the user can make the change for them self by going via the > listinfo page for the list, entering their subscription e-mail address and > clicking the Edit Options button. On the form then returned they can change > their own digest option. > > Mailman has it all, you just need to look at the web interfaces provided! -- With Best Regards, Subhasis Mahapatra Institute Of Physics,BBSR. From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Tue Jan 8 16:30:13 2002 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:30:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) subhasis - digest Message-ID: The easy way to do it would be to go to your membership management page...you can administer your site via web pages if setup properly. Go to the membership management page and unselect the digest option for the members that are not to receive digests. Ron -----Original Message----- From: subhasis [mailto:subhasis at iopb.res.in] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:21 AM To: mailman-users Cc: subhasis Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) hi, If some user has subscribed in a mailing list as Digest mode, how can the user can conver to regular mode? What is the way the list-owner can conver that user to regular mode? thanx in advance. -- With Best Regards, Subhasis Mahapatra Institute Of Physics,BBSR. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 1284 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020108/cfc15129/attachment.rtf From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 8 17:33:08 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:33:08 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] special characters in name and address In-Reply-To: <388ADC5C-0450-11D6-BFEF-0030654877C0@bluesmobile.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108161540.00aa1960@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 09:56 08/01/2002 -0600, Matthew Shames wrote: >Hey folks, > >I hope you don't mind another question from a Mailman "newbie". I am >another of the Mac enthusiasts who have moved over to OS X in the past >couple of years, and am enjoying expanding my knowledge to include some >UNIX basics. > >I've noticed a strange problem whereby Mailman appears to munge the "From" >address when it contains both a name and an address, and the name contains >a period. The setup: Mailman 2.0.7 on OS X 10.1.2, with Postfix >(20010228-pl08) as the MTA. The list in question is called "test", and >restricts postings to subscribed users. If I send a message, and the >"From" header is set to: > >Matthew E. Shames > >Mailman rejects it because it states that it is being sent from >matthewe.shames at bluesmobile.com. Additionally, it tries to send a bounce >message to matthewe.shames at bluesmobile.com, which is not a valid address, >so the postmaster (also me) gets notified. > >Now, if I set the "From" header to: > >Matthew Shames > >the message goes through without any incident. Additionally, if I set >member_posting_only to false, messages from either scenario make it >through without incident. This is not a Mailman issue but a failure to conform to RFC822 issue. The '.' character is a special character in a mail header field while 'Matthew', 'E' and 'Shames' are atoms. Because of the special character you need to quote the string. You should be saying: "Matthew E. Shames" The missing quotes are leading to a parsed result which is at variance with your desires. The other form you used: Matthew Shames is OK because 'Matthew' and 'Shames' are both atoms and hence the string does not require quoting. If you are really sad, mad or bad see http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html >I'm not completely sure if this is a postfix issue, or a mailman issue, or >something else. However, I don't seem to have this issue when sending >non-list mail through postfix. > >I hope this makes sense--I'd be happy to explain further. If anyone has >any insights, I'd be most grateful. > >Thanks, > > >matt > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 8 17:41:08 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:41:08 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108155209.02c77c18@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108163444.00aa1960@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 21:30 08/01/2002 +0530, Subhasis Mahapatra wrote: >thanks Richard , >Is there any way to do it without web-based interface.... >user can do it through email and that I have tested. There is no e-mail admin interface on MM 2.0.X so I guess the simple answer is no. I guess you could use the $prefix/bin/[add|remove|sync]_members scripts with some shell glue but the admin web GUI is so much simpler. >On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Richard Barrett wrote: > > > Change the 'digest' check box for the user concerned on the Membership > > Management page of the admin web GUI. > > > > Alternatively the user can make the change for them self by going via the > > listinfo page for the list, entering their subscription e-mail address and > > clicking the Edit Options button. On the form then returned they can > change > > their own digest option. > > > > Mailman has it all, you just need to look at the web interfaces provided! > >-- >With Best Regards, >Subhasis Mahapatra >Institute Of Physics,BBSR. From macdaddy at bluesmobile.com Tue Jan 8 17:48:05 2002 From: macdaddy at bluesmobile.com (Matthew Shames) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:48:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] special characters in name and address In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108161540.00aa1960@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <7C8450A2-0457-11D6-ABAD-0030654877C0@bluesmobile.com> Thanks Richard--I should have done a little more checking before sending the message to the list. In fact, it appears to be a problem with the OS X mail client--other clients that I was able to test correctly quoted the name portion of the header. Thanks again... matt On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 10:33 AM, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 09:56 08/01/2002 -0600, Matthew Shames wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> I hope you don't mind another question from a Mailman "newbie". I am >> another of the Mac enthusiasts who have moved over to OS X in the past >> couple of years, and am enjoying expanding my knowledge to include >> some UNIX basics. >> >> I've noticed a strange problem whereby Mailman appears to munge the >> "From" address when it contains both a name and an address, and the >> name contains a period. The setup: Mailman 2.0.7 on OS X 10.1.2, with >> Postfix (20010228-pl08) as the MTA. The list in question is called >> "test", and restricts postings to subscribed users. If I send a >> message, and the "From" header is set to: >> >> Matthew E. Shames >> >> Mailman rejects it because it states that it is being sent from >> matthewe.shames at bluesmobile.com. Additionally, it tries to send a >> bounce message to matthewe.shames at bluesmobile.com, which is not a >> valid address, so the postmaster (also me) gets notified. >> >> Now, if I set the "From" header to: >> >> Matthew Shames >> >> the message goes through without any incident. Additionally, if I set >> member_posting_only to false, messages from either scenario make it >> through without incident. > > This is not a Mailman issue but a failure to conform to RFC822 issue. > The '.' character is a special character in a mail header field while > 'Matthew', 'E' and 'Shames' are atoms. Because of the special character > you need to quote the string. You should be saying: > > "Matthew E. Shames" > > The missing quotes are leading to a parsed result which is at variance > with your desires. > > The other form you used: > > Matthew Shames > > is OK because 'Matthew' and 'Shames' are both atoms and hence the > string does not require quoting. > > If you are really sad, mad or bad see > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html > >> I'm not completely sure if this is a postfix issue, or a mailman >> issue, or something else. However, I don't seem to have this issue >> when sending non-list mail through postfix. >> >> I hope this makes sense--I'd be happy to explain further. If anyone >> has any insights, I'd be most grateful. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 8 17:53:02 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:53:02 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM installed problems... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108165834.00dc5538@mail.frizon.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108164400.02c8ca88@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 17:01 08/01/2002 +0100, Frizon Development wrote: >For anyone thats installed mailman using a RPM file you might have found >that together with postfix this generates a dilemma. > >Namely on the cgi part... > >"/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd users". Command output: Failure to > exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?)" > >This is the 2.0.3 specifically designed for RH 7.0... I've tried 2.0.8 >also with the same result... > >So how to fix this without recompiling? And since its a RPM it doesnt have >any sources.. and the ./configure would have to about a mile long to get >it to work again... > The Mailman installation from source is really simple and trouble free. If I were you I would deinstall the rpm versions, download Mailman from http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0.8.tgz, unzip and untar the file and follow the instructions in the INSTALL file. >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at kanga.nu Tue Jan 8 18:38:54 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:38:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hierarchical mailing-lists? In-Reply-To: Message from "Jerome Warnier" of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:38:08 +0100." References: Message-ID: <3558.1010511534@kanga.nu> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:38:08 +0100 Jerome Warnier wrote: > I would like to have all members of various mailing-lists to be > automatically subscribed to one mailing-list joining them all. > In fact, I would like to send to all Unix admins of all my servers > (at least one mailing-list per server) with one single list. Use umbrella lists and subscribe all the minor lists to a master list. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From dabad at cidadei.com.br Tue Jan 8 19:40:58 2002 From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:40:58 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sign up without password?? Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C4CD@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Is it possible? Somebody knows where can I find some patch for it?? I wanna all my users to submit without use passwords... only with e-mail address. Tks all! Daniel From ghoffman at sumaato.com Tue Jan 8 19:24:12 2002 From: ghoffman at sumaato.com (Garey Hoffman) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:24:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] integrate SQL database with Mailman Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108111747.0291f100@sumaato.com> Has anyone integrated a SQL database (MySQL or PostGres) with Mailman? I tried to find the answer in the archives and FAQ but I may not have looked long enough. Has this been asked before? Can anyone point me in the direction of a patch or other info? Specifically, I'd like to store all my email addresses, passwords and other list options (for each list) in database tables to work with an existing system. TIA, ---Garey From dan at ssc.com Tue Jan 8 19:28:05 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:28:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sign up without password?? In-Reply-To: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C4CD@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> References: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C4CD@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Message-ID: <20020108102805.A7581@ssc.com> On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 03:40:58PM -0300, Daniel Abad wrote: > Is it possible? Somebody knows where can I find some patch for it?? > I wanna all my users to submit without use passwords... only with e-mail > address. > > Tks all! > > > Daniel > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > AFAIK Mailman presently requires no passwords to sign up. A "subscribe" elicits an email containing a cookie, which when returned to the list server elicits a signup. At that time a password is emailed to the user. Nor does Mailman require users to use a password to submit a posting. Only for option change, including unsubscribe, is a password required. The sequence: -- user sends "subscribe" email to listserver or signs up on web page -- listserver sends confirming email containing cookie to user -- user returns confirming email to listserver -- listserver enrolls user is an example of what's called "double-opt-in". Be aware that you open yourself up to (perhaps justified) spam complaints, if for example I can sign up helpless_victim at notme.com by merely sending a "subscribe" to your list containing a forgery of his email address in the "From:" header line of my email. You'll also considerably increase your work as a list admin, as people are very prone to entering incorrect email addresses on web forms. Bounces consume a disproportionate amount of machine cycles on your MTA, and some will require hand resolution. Passwords or not, you'd be well-advised to preserve double opt-in. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue Jan 8 21:04:04 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] corrupt archive, help Message-ID: <20020108200404.GO11098@mrbill.net> Looks like I've got a corrupt archive: Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): Traceback (most recent call last): Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "../Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", l ine 221, in ArchiveMail Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /pipermail.py", line 528, in processUnixMailbox Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.add_article(a) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperArch.py", line 928, in add_article Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.__super_add_article(article) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /pipermail.py", line 567, in add_article Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): article.parentID = parentID = self.get_ parent_info(arch, article) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /pipermail.py", line 601, in get_parent_info Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): if parentID and not self.database.hasAr ticle(archive, parentID): Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperDatabase.py", line 267, in hasArticle Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.__openIndices(archive) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperDatabase.py", line 245, in __openIndices Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, arch ive + '-' + i)) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperDatabase.py", line 68, in __init__ Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.load() Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperDatabase.py", line 173, in load Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.dict = marshal.load(fp) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): ValueError: bad marshal data Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 (29784) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: rescue Ack! Any suggestions on how to fix it? -- Bill Bradford mrbill at mrbill.net Austin, TX From miket at scitechsoft.com Tue Jan 8 21:05:01 2002 From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:05:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logs/Monitor Message-ID: <3C3AE06D.24460.9488B@localhost> I have been having a problem with the server not sending messages. I Upgraded to 2.0.8 and played with the lock files and hundreds of messages are being sent now. Is there a way to Monitor the outbound traffic to see what lists are sending mail, and how many messages/recipients were there. I would also like an automated way to make sure the lists are responding and not locked up daily, short of mailing a dummy list daily. Can I look at a file and see what was or was not sent out on a given day. Regards MikeT From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Tue Jan 8 21:40:27 2002 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:40:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Question In-Reply-To: <30687.1010480602@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20020108143819.D39952-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:56:51 -0800 > Dan Wilder wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:45:30AM -0600, Tim Legg wrote: > >> FreeBSD 4.4, Postfix > > >> I am preparing to install mailman-2.0.8 on my system according to > >> my INSTALL document. In step 1, I was told to create user and > >> group mailman by modifying the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files. > >> > >> Is it good enough to create these accounts/groups by placing them > >> alone on a single line, or should I fill in the other atributes? > > > You'll probably have to fill all those fields in. > > My preference: > > # adduser --in-group mailman mailman > > Then edit /etc/shadow (if you're using shadow passwords, or > /etc/passwd and set the passwd to "*" while making sure that the > user's shell is something like /bin/flase, /dev/null, or similar. Is there any reason the password must be a "*"? It seams that this could be a security risk. Couldn't anybody just login as mailman and know that the password is "*" and do all kinds of mean things? From sebold at lcms.org Tue Jan 8 21:51:54 2002 From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:51:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Question In-Reply-To: <20020108143819.D39952-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> (Tim Legg's message of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:40:27 -0600 (CST)") References: <20020108143819.D39952-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <87wuys5zx1.fsf@sebold.lcms.org> On 24 Teveth 5762, Tim Legg wrote: > Is there any reason the password must be a "*"? It seams that this > could be a security risk. Couldn't anybody just login as mailman and > know that the password is "*" and do all kinds of mean things? The value is not the actual password, but the one-way encryption of the password; in other words, if your password, hashed, is "*", then you can get in. Pretty much impossible; the effect is to disable logins on this account for anyone but root. -- Charles Sebold 24th of Teveth, 5762 LCMS - Office of Information Systems http://unix.ois.org/ *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily *** *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod *** From claw at kanga.nu Tue Jan 8 23:13:00 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:13:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Question In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Legg of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:40:27 CST." <20020108143819.D39952-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> References: <20020108143819.D39952-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <6796.1010527980@kanga.nu> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:40:27 -0600 (CST) Tim Legg wrote: > Is there any reason the password must be a "*"? It seams that > this could be a security risk. Couldn't anybody just login as > mailman and know that the password is "*" and do all kinds of mean > things? '*', like '!' is a flag value that indicates that the account cannot be authenticated with a password. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From acrum at mathcs.hood.edu Tue Jan 8 23:26:56 2002 From: acrum at mathcs.hood.edu (Atsuko Crum) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:26:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set password for members? Message-ID: <3C3B7230.E12F4A00@mathcs.hood.edu> Hi. Recently I installed Mailman 2.0.8 on Red Hat 6.2. Everything is working fine so far. Now I have a question. I added members by using a command "add_members". So currently they do not have password. If they want to change their options, they need their password. I accessed the membership management page for the list, but it does not seems to have a section for setting password there. How can I set their password? Thank you for your assistance. Atsuko Crum From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed Jan 9 00:46:37 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:46:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] running "arch" but keeping older html archives? Message-ID: <20020108234637.GF11098@mrbill.net> I've got HTML archives of a list dating back to 1999, but only a .mbox archive of the list going back about six months. Is there any way to use arch to re-build the archives of say, January 2002, *without* losing the links to the older archives on the archives/private//index.html page? Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill at mrbill.net Austin, TX From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Wed Jan 9 01:15:19 2002 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:15:19 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing main listinfo page? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just in case anyone wants to do what I asked about doing, which is to customise the listinfo page to include stuff in the section, mainly stylesheets and javascript, the easiest way I found appeared to be to change the creation of 'doc' in /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, from doc= Document() To doc = HeadlessDocument() And then manually inserting all the HEAD stuff before the table data gets written to 'doc'. Nigel On 7/1/02 2:04 PM, "Nigel Kersten" wrote: > Ok, so it's apparently ok for me to customise this page, and I'll get warned > when I upgrade. > > Now for another question... ;) that possibly belongs more on the Dev list, > but here goes... > > > I'd like to merge my listinfo page into the rest of my site, so I'd like to > use style sheets... My only problem is that I can't see how on earth I can > insert anything before the tag in the Document() call in the > listinfo page... ? > > The relevant bit seems to be in htmlformat.py, here... > > class Document(Container): > title = None > > def SetTitle(self, title): > self.title = title > > def Format(self, indent=0, **kws): > tab = ' ' * indent > output = ['Content-type: text/html', > '', > tab, > '', > '' > ] > if self.title: > output.append('%s%s' % (tab, self.title)) > output.append('%s' % tab) > output.append('%s > > > I guess I could just hack it and add something to insert data before this, > but this definitely seems like bad form to go messing with this module... ? > > > > Nigel -- N i g e l K e r s t e n | College of Fine Arts, [Systems Administrator] | Uni.of.NSW.Sydney.Australia. nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au | ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624 "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder, how I keep from going under" - Grandmaster Flash. From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Wed Jan 9 01:54:39 2002 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:54:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install Question In-Reply-To: <6796.1010527980@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20020108184617.A40259-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> So I should modify the FreeBSD /etc/master.passwd and change the encrypted password to '*'? Is this the method in which you describe? I already ran adduser and created the user and group mailman. I asserted the shell to be /dev/null [excerpt from /etc/passwd] mail_man:*:1000:1000:Tim Legg:/home/mail_man:/bin/csh mailman:*:1003:999:Mailman Daemon:/home/mailman:/dev/null The one on top is the address in which I subscribe to this list with. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:40:27 -0600 (CST) > Tim Legg wrote: > > > Is there any reason the password must be a "*"? It seams that > > this could be a security risk. Couldn't anybody just login as > > mailman and know that the password is "*" and do all kinds of mean > > things? > > '*', like '!' is a flag value that indicates that the account cannot > be authenticated with a password. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > From benny at bennyvision.com Wed Jan 9 03:12:33 2002 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:12:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] List subscription emails dateless. Message-ID: Hey folks, Just a quick question for people a bit more familiar with the source code for Mailman... I just set up a new list (I've run Mailman in a previous life) that I've moved into production. Everything is working perfectly, except for one little annoyance. The emails that go out to list admins when someone subscribes arrive without a Date: header. Mind you, it's simple enough to check the full headers of the message, but it's nice to have it specified. I _think_ this is an issue (not problem) with Mailman, but it could be something weird with the way Mailman delivers to QMail on localhost. Could someone point me to the code that generates these emails, so I can write a patch for it? It's _not_ a problem in my eyes, just one of those things I think would be nice. :) Stats: OpenBSD 2.8 STABLE Mailman 2.0.8 QMail 1.03 Thanks folks! Benny ps: It's perfectly possible I don't have something specified correctly within QMail that prevents this, but I don't see this with any of the other hundred emails that show up for me in a day. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. --Rules of the Air, #8 From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Wed Jan 9 04:54:33 2002 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:54:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I don't really know what is right or wrong In-Reply-To: <3C3AE06D.24460.9488B@localhost> Message-ID: <20020108213352.V42223-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Hello, I am trying to follow the instructions as best as I can, but I don't think I am understanding it correctly. Is there any better document other than the INSTALL document that comes with mailman-208? I honestly can't see myself installing mailman by using this document. Here are some questions/problems I came across anyway. In step 1, I was to create an installation directory which is referred to as $prefix. The next paragraph told me that /home/mailman is the default. I copied the tarball into this directory for installation and followed the remaining steps. In step 2 I ran ./configure The directory where my source code was present was /home/mailman/ and since that was the default, I didn't have to chenge that. make install worked perfectly but check_perms found 333 problems. At the end of step 3, I am told to run check_perms from a location other than the source directory. I thought the install directory and source directory were the same thing and that make install would just copy the files to where ever they need to be. But now I am told that they need to be different. Where was I supposed to save my soucre then? Is /home/mailman the right place, or did I screw up royally doing that? I honestly don't have any idea what is going on anymore. I am probably beyond any hope at this point, now that neither the FreeBSD ports version worked or my building it manually. Is this really meant to be run under FreeBSD? At how awkward this install is, I am beginning to have my doubts. I also don't know what all that set-group-id stuff is about or how python works. It took forever to find that there is no Run command for 'Run bin/check/perms' as written in Step 3. What I need is a step-by-step description telling me what I need to type in order to get this thing installed on a freshly installed version of FreeBSD. Is there anything that can be done? From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Wed Jan 9 04:57:14 2002 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:57:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: several messages In-Reply-To: <6796.1010527980@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2002 at 14:40, Tim Legg wrote: >Is there any reason the password must be a "*"? It seams that this could >be a security risk. Couldn't anybody just login as mailman and know that >the password is "*" and do all kinds of mean things? As JCL says, that's a flag, not a password. /etc/passwd stores passwords encrypted by the crypt() function. The encrypted string is always the same length, and the first two octets (bytes? characters?) are the 'salt' used to encrypt the password. Using the salt and the plain password with the crypt utility or the crypt() function, we can get the encrypted string. Compare with stored string; match means the plain text password is correct, mismatch means it is incorrect. Going the other way -- decrypting the encrypted string -- is very, very, difficult. Now a password string consisting of just *, !, !!, or x is not a valid encrypted password. The first two or three indicate the account does not allow logins i.e. is disabled (root can, of course, su to it anytime). x I've seen used to indicate the password is stored in /etc/shadow for greater security. passwd is world-readable, shadow is not. HTH. -- Satya. Never attribute to malloc what can be easily explained by stupidity. From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 9 05:01:12 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:01:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set password for members? In-Reply-To: <3C3B7230.E12F4A00@mathcs.hood.edu> References: <3C3B7230.E12F4A00@mathcs.hood.edu> Message-ID: <02010823011205.01079@anncons.nc.rr.com> When you added the members using "add_members" Mailman assigned random passwords to each of the people. You can have Mailman send out the passwords to each person as you add them. Since you did not do that, you can run the Password emailing cron job now, and have Mailman send each user their current password. Look in ~mailman/cron for the crontab entries and read the comments to figure out the exact command to send out the passwords. There are other ways of doing this, but that works... Jon Carnes On Tuesday 08 January 2002 17:26, Atsuko Crum wrote: > Hi. > > Recently I installed Mailman 2.0.8 on Red Hat 6.2. Everything is working > fine so far. Now I have a question. I added members by using a command > "add_members". So currently they do not have password. If they want to > change their options, they need their password. I accessed the > membership management page for the list, but it does not seems to have a > section for setting password there. How can I set their password? > > Thank you for your assistance. > > Atsuko Crum > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From moseleymm at hank.org Wed Jan 9 05:01:09 2002 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:01:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20020108200109.02037558@pop3.hank.org> I asked this a week or so ago without response, I believe. Mailman on a test machine has quit working (it's only a test installation so not real lists are down). I'm seeing: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 29, in ? from Mailman import MailList ImportError: No module named Mailman But when those started I also had some disk errors in my /var/log/messages file, which, due to the timing, I assume are related. I don't know python, so I'm just wondering how to find out what exactly is bothering Mailman. I seem to have a module named Mailman, but I'm not sure how python looks for its modules: > pwd /home/mailman > ll Mailman -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1649 Jan 2 15:33 Mailman Thanks, -- Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From michael at spconnect.com Wed Jan 9 05:47:58 2002 From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:47:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020108200109.02037558@pop3.hank.org> Message-ID: On the mailman page, it states taht mailman 2.1 is still alpha. I would like to move to it. Is it worth my time or should I wait? From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 9 05:54:30 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:54:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I don't really know what is right or wrong In-Reply-To: <20020108213352.V42223-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> References: <20020108213352.V42223-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <02010823543006.01079@anncons.nc.rr.com> The archives have a better step-by-step of the setup but here is a little more detail: You should copy the source to some directory, it really doesn't matter where. I like to use /usr/src/mailman/... Once you have the source expanded into that directory (download the source as a tar.gz file and use "tar -xzf ..." to expand it), then you can start the install. I've only installed it on Linux - and works great. Create a group on the local server named "mailman". Create a user on the local server named "mailman" and add him to the group "mailman". Create a home directory for the user mailman (usually /home/mailman). Make sure that the user "mailman" and group "mailman" own the directory. Do you have "sendmail" installed as your MTA (mail-server)? Mailman works with many different MTA's but 2.08 assumes that you are using a sendmail compliant mail-server and gives you messages compliant with Sendmail. Surprisingly, you will find that its integration with Postfix, Exim, and Qmail are actually tighter and make Mailman ultimately easier to use... but I digress. Find out what Group-ID your MTA runs as, then find out what Group-ID your Web server runs as. You will need these to run the ./configure program. The INSTALL text lays this out fairly nicely, and if you are confused about it, you can simply run install without specifying the GID's. Later if there are problems, you can look at the error logs in Mailman, and they will point out the proper GID's that you should have used Once you run "./configure" and then "make install" you will find that the install has put multiple files into the home directory that you created for the user "mailman". >From this point you can edit the file: ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (using Default.py as the guide), and then you can create your lists using ~mailman/bin/newlist To run "check_perms", change to the directory ~mailman/bin/ and run ./check_perms. ~mailman means the home directory for the users "mailman" (/home/mailman) Hope this helps... Jon Carnes On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:54, Tim Legg wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to follow the instructions as best as I can, but I don't > think I am understanding it correctly. Is there any better document > other than the INSTALL document that comes with mailman-208? I honestly > can't see myself installing mailman by using this document. > > Here are some questions/problems I came across anyway. > > In step 1, I was to create an installation directory which is referred to > as $prefix. The next paragraph told me that /home/mailman is the > default. I copied the tarball into this directory for installation and > followed the remaining steps. In step 2 I ran ./configure The directory > where my source code was present was /home/mailman/ and since that was > the default, I didn't have to chenge that. make install worked perfectly > but check_perms found 333 problems. At the end of step 3, I am told to > run check_perms from a location other than the source directory. > > I thought the install directory and source directory were the same thing > and that make install would just copy the files to where ever they need > to be. But now I am told that they need to be different. Where was I > supposed to save my soucre then? Is /home/mailman the right place, or > did I screw up royally doing that? > > I honestly don't have any idea what is going on anymore. I am probably > beyond any hope at this point, now that neither the FreeBSD ports version > worked or my building it manually. Is this really meant to be run under > FreeBSD? At how awkward this install is, I am beginning to have my > doubts. > > I also don't know what all that set-group-id stuff is about or how python > works. It took forever to find that there is no Run command for 'Run > bin/check/perms' as written in Step 3. > > What I need is a step-by-step description telling me what I need to type > in order to get this thing installed on a freshly installed version of > FreeBSD. Is there anything that can be done? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Wed Jan 9 05:55:05 2002 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:55:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <200201090455.UAA28158@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > On the mailman page, it states taht mailman 2.1 is still alpha. I would > like to move to it. Is it worth my time or should I wait? Well, I'm using it happily. It adds a lot. Try it out at least on a test list. From claw at kanga.nu Wed Jan 9 06:29:50 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:29:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1 In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Ghens of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:47:58 PST." References: Message-ID: <10890.1010554190@kanga.nu> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:47:58 -0800 (PST) Michael Ghens wrote: > On the mailman page, it states taht mailman 2.1 is still alpha. I > would like to move to it. Is it worth my time or should I wait? That rather depends on your needs, your level of general SysAdm expertise and ability debug/work around any problem you may find -- and yes, there are still problems/bugs being found and fixed. That said, there are also sites with it in useful production (with some hand holding). My decision and reasoning: I wouldn't roll 2.1 into production yet (and I'm keenly awaiting several 2.1 features) as I'm a rather lazy SysAdm and don't want to invest in the extra babysitting and monitoring that would be involved at this stage. Caveat Emptor. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From backdoc at crotchett.com Wed Jan 9 06:47:47 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:47:47 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I don't really know what is right or wrong References: <20020108213352.V42223-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> <02010823543006.01079@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <0a9e01c198d1$2b6af060$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Well, your instructions are very nice and well written. Except, don't forget about cron and editing apache. However, in Tim's case, he is installing on FreeBSD. This changes things if he decides to use the ports system. He can install following your directions, but installing via the FreeBSD ports is a little different. For example, you do not have to create a mailman user or mailman group. It is done for you. The mailman directory is not /home/mailman. It is /usr/local/mailman. The port install of mailman has flaws, but I believe that the ports is still the way to go. If he going to use the ports, he should do it a little differently. Please let me know if it helps or has holes in it. Until the ports are fixed, he might try this: (This assumses Postfix and Apache are already installed) cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman make --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-cgi-gid=www make clean make install chown -R mailman:mailman /usr/local/mailman crontab -u mailman /usr/local/mailman/cron/crontab.in (do I need a -e after mailman?) Add the following lines to /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf after you see the cgi stuff already there, add a pointer to the new mailman cgi stuff. The cgi stuff that is already in there looks like this: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/usr/local/www/cgi-bin/" # # "/usr/local/www/cgi-bin" should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured. # AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all ############## Add your stuff to httpd.conf here #################### ## The following stanza was copied from: ## http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/joey/mailman.shtml ## It makes mailman work ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" AllowOverride None Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" ## End of mailman stanza ## ################################################################### Restart apache with "apachectl restart". Change directories to the /usr/local/mailman/bin and run newlist with the following two commands. (note, you have to be in that directory when your run it -- so do it like this) cd /usr/local/mailman/bin ./newlist Cut and paste the aliases it creates to the /etc/aliases file run newaliases by typing "newaliases" as root restart Postfix with "postfix reload" edit /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py according to the INSTALL file or the online documentation. You should be good to go. Go to www.yourdomain.com/mailman/listinfo. Or, www.localhost.com/mailman/listinfo if you are on the host machine. You really need to look read through the mailman install documentation. Darren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Carnes" To: "Tim Legg" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I don't really know what is right or wrong > The archives have a better step-by-step of the setup but here is a little > more detail: > > You should copy the source to some directory, it really doesn't matter > where. I like to use /usr/src/mailman/... > > Once you have the source expanded into that directory (download the source > as a tar.gz file and use "tar -xzf ..." to expand it), then you can start > the install. > > I've only installed it on Linux - and works great. > > Create a group on the local server named "mailman". Create a user on the > local server named "mailman" and add him to the group "mailman". Create a > home directory for the user mailman (usually /home/mailman). Make sure > that the user "mailman" and group "mailman" own the directory. > > Do you have "sendmail" installed as your MTA (mail-server)? Mailman works > with many different MTA's but 2.08 assumes that you are using a sendmail > compliant mail-server and gives you messages compliant with Sendmail. > Surprisingly, you will find that its integration with Postfix, Exim, and > Qmail are actually tighter and make Mailman ultimately easier to use... but > I digress. > > Find out what Group-ID your MTA runs as, then find out what Group-ID your > Web server runs as. You will need these to run the ./configure program. > > The INSTALL text lays this out fairly nicely, and if you are confused about > it, you can simply run install without specifying the GID's. Later if > there are problems, you can look at the error logs in Mailman, and they > will point out the proper GID's that you should have used > > Once you run "./configure" and then "make install" > you will find that the install has put multiple files into the home > directory that you created for the user "mailman". > > From this point you can edit the file: ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (using > Default.py as the guide), and then you can create your lists using > ~mailman/bin/newlist > > To run "check_perms", change to the directory ~mailman/bin/ and run > ./check_perms. > > ~mailman means the home directory for the users "mailman" (/home/mailman) > > Hope this helps... > > Jon Carnes > On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:54, Tim Legg wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am trying to follow the instructions as best as I can, but I don't > > think I am understanding it correctly. Is there any better document > > other than the INSTALL document that comes with mailman-208? I honestly > > can't see myself installing mailman by using this document. > > > > Here are some questions/problems I came across anyway. > > > > In step 1, I was to create an installation directory which is referred to > > as $prefix. The next paragraph told me that /home/mailman is the > > default. I copied the tarball into this directory for installation and > > followed the remaining steps. In step 2 I ran ./configure The directory > > where my source code was present was /home/mailman/ and since that was > > the default, I didn't have to chenge that. make install worked perfectly > > but check_perms found 333 problems. At the end of step 3, I am told to > > run check_perms from a location other than the source directory. > > > > I thought the install directory and source directory were the same thing > > and that make install would just copy the files to where ever they need > > to be. But now I am told that they need to be different. Where was I > > supposed to save my soucre then? Is /home/mailman the right place, or > > did I screw up royally doing that? > > > > I honestly don't have any idea what is going on anymore. I am probably > > beyond any hope at this point, now that neither the FreeBSD ports version > > worked or my building it manually. Is this really meant to be run under > > FreeBSD? At how awkward this install is, I am beginning to have my > > doubts. > > > > I also don't know what all that set-group-id stuff is about or how python > > works. It took forever to find that there is no Run command for 'Run > > bin/check/perms' as written in Step 3. > > > > What I need is a step-by-step description telling me what I need to type > > in order to get this thing installed on a freshly installed version of > > FreeBSD. Is there anything that can be done? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From backdoc at crotchett.com Wed Jan 9 06:55:42 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:55:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list removal and making a list public Message-ID: <0ab401c198d2$469357a0$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> I have two questions. Question 1: How do you make a list public? I know how use the url to get to it. See, http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo/test. But, if you go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo, you will get a message from mailman that says "Welcome! There currently are no publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on www.kneedeep.org". I do have the option on in the privacy area of the admin set to "make it available to listinfo". Question 2: I have 2 test lists that I want to delete. I have tried ./rmlist from the bin directory many times without success. Can I just remove the references to it in the /list directory and the archives? Thanks, Darren From moseleymm at hank.org Wed Jan 9 07:34:19 2002 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:34:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman In-Reply-To: <200201090430.UAA27635@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20020108223419.0294df58@pop3.hank.org> At 08:30 PM 01/08/02 -0800, Dan Mick wrote: >Is the cron running as user mailman? Is user mailman's home dir >/home/mailman? /etc/passwd:mailman:x:506:105::/home/mailman:/bin/bash /etc/group:mailman:x:105: > ll -d /home/mailman drwxrwsr-x 19 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 2 15:33 /home/mailman/ >> ImportError: No module named Mailman So, is there a way to get a better error message (e.g. No such file or directory/Permission denied?) > >> I asked this a week or so ago without response, I believe. >> >> Mailman on a test machine has quit working (it's only a test installation >> so not real lists are down). >> >> I'm seeing: >> >> Traceback (innermost last): >> File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 29, in ? >> from Mailman import MailList >> ImportError: No module named Mailman >> >> But when those started I also had some disk errors in my /var/log/messages >> file, which, due to the timing, I assume are related. >> >> I don't know python, so I'm just wondering how to find out what exactly is >> bothering Mailman. >> >> I seem to have a module named Mailman, but I'm not sure how python looks >> for its modules: >> >> > pwd >> /home/mailman >> >> > ll Mailman >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1649 Jan 2 15:33 Mailman >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Bill Moseley >> mailto:moseley at hank.org >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > -- Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From lawa at gmx.at Wed Jan 9 08:34:51 2002 From: lawa at gmx.at (Gregor Hlawacek) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:34:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop users from UNsubcribing Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I am using the Mailmanlist in a studentshostel and want to have some lists to Inform all students about things going on in the hostel. For this I created a list and added all the stutents. I want to make shure that everybody knows about the things I tell them, so I have to be sure that nobody unsubscribes the list. The only thing I found is that mailman informs me about the fact that someone unsubscribed but I didn't find a possibility to stop them from unsubscribing. tia Gregor - -- Gregor Hlawacek Austria http://www.unileoben.ac.at/~m9327555/ May the source be with you! This posting is 100% M$ free. Guaranteed by Tux, the friendly penguin. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Weitere Infos: siehe http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjw78p8ACgkQer3X+/vN825YBgCfSm+pWCVtdyp/eFHvGJIhH1iu ih8AoLC3DNGWQ63w6TWW+7GIQDTmROg0 =Qhj9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Jan 9 11:02:29 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:02:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list removal and making a list public In-Reply-To: <0ab401c198d2$469357a0$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020109095043.0297f960@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 23:55 08/01/2002 -0600, Darren wrote: >I have two questions. >Question 1: > >How do you make a list public? I know how use the url to get to it. See, >http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo/test. But, if you go to >http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo, you will get a message from >mailman that says "Welcome! There currently are no publicly-advertised >mailman mailing lists on www.kneedeep.org". why not use the Privacy Options Section of the admin web GUI for the list concerned to set its 'advertised' option (the first one on the page)? you might also like to decide whether you want newly created lists to be advertised by default. If so ensure the value of DEFAULT_LIST_ADVERTISED = 1 in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and if necessary override this in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py >I do have the option on in the privacy area of the admin set to "make it >available to listinfo". > >Question 2: > >I have 2 test lists that I want to delete. I have tried ./rmlist from the >bin directory many times without success. Can I just remove the references >to it in the /list directory and the archives? it would help if you said how "without success" manifested itself. Are you running rmlist as a user with appropriate privileges, e.g as root or mailman? if use the -a option on rmlist the list archives are also deleted (as revealed by running rmlist with the -h option). >Thanks, >Darren > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From backdoc at crotchett.com Wed Jan 9 17:01:17 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:01:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list removal and making a list public Message-ID: <0b8c01c19926$e021c100$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Thank you very much for your suggestions. I've marked the parts that I cut and pasted from the screen output with "# from screen>" and put all of it at the bottom of page. I hope this helps the readability of this post. Unfortunately, my DEFAULT_LIST_ADVERTISED variable is already =1 in Defaults.py. I didn't change this. So, I guess the default setting is to make the new lists public. And, I also have that option set correctly in the privacy section. The only other information that I know to include is that the Welcome page displays differently depending on whether I'm logging in from localhost or from another computer that gets routed outside the LAN and then back in. Note below that the list name "Hinds calculus ii" does not match the error message echoed to screen output generated by "lynx localhost/mailman/admin". The error message says "No such list hinds" (not "No such list Hinds calculus ii). This might be related to the problem of not being able to delete the list. Maybe lists with spaces in the name is causing some of the problems. As far as what I've tried to do to remove the list, the output below pretty much speaks for itself. But, to summarize, I have tried using qoutes and escaping the spaces in the list name. Again, can I just delete the references to the lists I want to delete from /lists and /archives? Thanks for helping, Darren If you will go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo, you can see for yourself the output generated there (neither test list shows up). Likewise, you can go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/admin and see that both lists show up there and if you follow the link to Hinds calulus ii, it will give you a log in prompt (that is different from what you get when you view it from localhost). >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx localhost/mailman/listinfo": # from screen> localhost Mailing Lists # from screen> # from screen> Welcome! # from screen> # from screen> Below is a listing of all the public mailing lists on # from screen> localhost. Click on a list name to get more # from screen> information about the list, or to subscribe, unsubscribe, # from screen> and change the preferences on your subscription. # from screen> To visit the info page for an unadvertised list, open a URL # from screen> similar to this one, but with a '/' and the # from screen> list name appended. # from screen> # from screen> List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview # from screen> page to find the management interface for your # from screen> list. # from screen> # from screen> (Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at localhost.) # from screen> # from screen> # from screen> List Description # from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] # from screen> ____________________________________________________________________________ # from screen> # from screen> Delivered by Mailman # from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home # from screen> page # from screen> Python home page # from screen> GNU home page # from screen> >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx localhost/mailman/admin": # from screen> kneedeep.org mailing lists - Admin Links # from screen> # from screen> # from screen> # from screen> No such list hinds # from screen> # from screen> Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman # from screen> mailing lists on kneedeep.org. Click on a list name # from screen> to visit the configuration pages for that list. To visit # from screen> the administrators configuration page for an # from screen> unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with # from screen> a '/' and the right list name appended. # from screen> # from screen> General list information can be found at the mailing list # from screen> overview page. # from screen> # from screen> (Send questions and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.) # from screen> # from screen> # from screen> List Description # from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] # from screen> test This is a test list and will soon be deleted. # from screen> ____________________________________________________________________________ # from screen> # from screen> Delivered by Mailman # from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home # from screen> page # from screen> Python home page # from screen> GNU home page # from screen> Here is what I have tried in order to delete the list. # from screen> fbsd# whoami # from screen> root # from screen> fbsd# pwd # from screen> /usr/local/mailman/bin # from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists # from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: # from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] # from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon # from screen> be deleted. # from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist "Hinds calculus ii" # from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. # from screen> Removing list info # from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist -a "Hinds calculus ii" # from screen> Removing list info # from screen> hinds calculus ii private archives not found as # from screen> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hinds calculus ii # from screen> Removing private archives # from screen> Removing public archives # from screen> Removing public archives # from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists # from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: # from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] # from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon # from screen> be deleted. # from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist \Hinds\ calculus\ ii # from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. # from screen> Removing list info # from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists # from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: # from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] # from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon # from screen> be deleted. From mel at vanyel.herald.co.uk Wed Jan 9 17:43:11 2002 From: mel at vanyel.herald.co.uk (Melanie Dymond Harper) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:43:11 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages? Message-ID: <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk> Hi folks, I've got some users who hit "reply-to-all" and thus wind up with two copies of the message coming towards the list concerned. I realise that the best way round this is user education (!), but is there any code within Mailman which will spot duplicates and ignore them? It is duplicates with the same Message-ID with which I'm concerned. Pipermail doesn't let the dupes into the archives but they still show up in digests and in the text archive. Cheers Mel From ptomblin at xcski.com Wed Jan 9 17:58:22 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:58:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages? In-Reply-To: <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk>; from mel@vanyel.herald.co.uk on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 04:43:11PM +0000 References: <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020109115822.B18039@allhats.xcski.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 04:43:11PM +0000, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > I've got some users who hit "reply-to-all" and thus wind up with two > copies of the message coming towards the list concerned. I realise that > the best way round this is user education (!), but is there any code within > Mailman which will spot duplicates and ignore them? It is duplicates with > the same Message-ID with which I'm concerned. Run the list mail through procmail before going to the list. (I already wrote up how to do that in the faq.) In the procmail filter, put the following code up near the top: :0 Whc: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 /tmp/msgid.cache :0 a: /dev/null The first bit keeps a message id cache of the last 8192 message ids recieved on the list, and the second bit deletes any messages whose message id matches one in the cache. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody Things should be as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- Albert Einstein From claw at kanga.nu Wed Jan 9 18:21:33 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 09:21:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages? In-Reply-To: Message from Melanie Dymond Harper of "Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:43:11 GMT." <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk> References: <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk> Message-ID: <17121.1010596893@kanga.nu> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:43:11 GMT Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > I've got some users who hit "reply-to-all" and thus wind up with > two copies of the message coming towards the list concerned. Then their MUAs are seriously broken. > I realise that the best way round this is user education (!)... No, the solution is to get them to use an actually working and correct MUA. > ... is there any code within Mailman which will spot duplicates > and ignore them? It is duplicates with the same Message-ID with > which I'm concerned. Preface your list with a procmail recipe which calls formail. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From tdavis at birddog.com Wed Jan 9 18:26:04 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:26:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant get webpage to work Message-ID: <3C3C7D2C.3070006@birddog.com> Hello, I am having some difficulty getting the web part of mailman to work. I wanted to create a V-host in apache called lists.domain.com and point everything to a directory. But I am not quiet sure what directory to point it to. Also, it defaults to the path of http://lists/mailman/listinfo/listname I cannot find mailman or listinfo directories in anything I extracted from mailman. The instructions are kinda sparse in the docs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Jan 9 18:27:10 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:27:10 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list removal and making a list public In-Reply-To: <0b8c01c19926$e021c100$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020109162744.03ad4e28@pop.ftel.co.uk> Darren I'll try to deal with some of what you have said below At 10:01 09/01/2002 -0600, Darren wrote: >Thank you very much for your suggestions. I've marked the parts that I cut >and pasted from the screen output with "# from screen>" and put all of it at >the bottom of page. I hope this helps the readability of this post. > >Unfortunately, my DEFAULT_LIST_ADVERTISED variable is already =1 in >Defaults.py. I didn't change this. So, I guess the default setting is to >make the new lists public. And, I also have that option set correctly in >the privacy section. The only other information that I know to include is >that the Welcome page displays differently depending on whether I'm logging >in from localhost or from another computer that gets routed outside the LAN >and then back in. The absence of lists and the difference in presentation depending on the IP address specified in the URL used to access the MM web GUI suggests the problem you are having results form MM's virtual hosting feature. If you changef the value of VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py then the problem would probably go away; but read on before you do that. Looking at your site through http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/admin, it gives an e-mail address for the mailman owner mailman-owner at localhost as which suggests that DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'localhost' in your $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. You really want to set DEFAULT_HOST_NAME to the IP name of your host through which you expect the MM web GUI to be accessed in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: localhost won't provide communication for a user on another machine. You also want to set MAILMAN_OWNER to include the IP name of your machine in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. As an aside, do your own test and accessing through a fully qualified domain name for your mailman machine not 'localhost'. That way you'll see your installation as your users will; they can never access it through 'localhost' I hope. >Note below that the list name "Hinds calculus ii" does not match the error >message echoed to screen output generated by "lynx localhost/mailman/admin". >The error message says "No such list hinds" (not "No such list Hinds >calculus ii). This might be related to the problem of not being able to >delete the list. Maybe lists >with spaces in the name is causing some of the problems. I suspect that if you said the following on the command line it might work: lynx "localhost/mailman/admin/hinds calculus ii" The following URL certainly does work from my machine using Netscape: http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo/hinds%20calculus%20ii However, spaces in list names are not a good idea. Bear in mind that the the list name is going to be the local part of what must be a valid Internet addr-spec as described in RFC2822 section 3.4.1 as well as being a directory name and part of file names in your file system, and part of URIs for accessing through the web GUI. That means that when it is used the local part has to be quoted (enclosed in double quotes) to be valid if it contains spaces or special characters like '.'. In all honesty I'm not even sure if MM is programmed to cope with all the possible implications of this. Why make life difficult. Just keep list names short and do not allow embedded whitespace, puncutation etc - all those things that need to be escaped in URLs, on command lines and in mail address specifications. Stick to a-zA-Z0-9-_ characters in your list names and you won't go far wrong. >As far as what I've tried to do to remove the list, the output below pretty >much speaks for itself. But, to summarize, I have tried using qoutes and >escaping >the spaces in the list name. Again, can I just delete the references to the >lists I want to delete from /lists and /archives? I'm not sure as to why you are having the deletion problem. Given that you've not really got started with Mailman I'd: 1. treat what's happened so far as good experience of what can go wrong 2. blow away your 2.0.5 install 3. download 2.0.8 from http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0.8.tgz 4. redo you installation from mailman-2.0.8.tgz 5. check your $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py following installation and see if the variables discussed look sensible 6. avoid creating lists with names that will cause problems. Take heart, it took me three or four goes when I first installed MM to get an installation that worked right cheers Richard >Thanks for helping, >Darren > >If you will go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo, you can see for >yourself the output generated there (neither test list shows up). >Likewise, you can go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/admin and see that >both lists show up there and if you follow the link to Hinds calulus >ii, it will give you a log in prompt (that is different from what you get >when you view it from localhost). > > >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx >localhost/mailman/listinfo": > ># from screen> localhost Mailing Lists > ># from screen> ># from screen> Welcome! ># from screen> ># from screen> Below is a listing of all the public mailing lists on ># from screen> localhost. Click on a list name to get more ># from screen> information about the list, or to subscribe, unsubscribe, ># from screen> and change the preferences on your subscription. ># from screen> To visit the info page for an unadvertised list, open a URL ># from screen> similar to this one, but with a '/' and the ># from screen> list name appended. ># from screen> ># from screen> List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview ># from screen> page to find the management interface for your ># from screen> list. ># from screen> ># from screen> (Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at localhost.) ># from screen> ># from screen> ># from screen> List Description ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] ># from screen> >____________________________________________________________________________ ># from screen> ># from screen> Delivered by Mailman ># from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home ># from screen> page ># from screen> Python home page ># from screen> GNU home page ># from screen> > > >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx >localhost/mailman/admin": > ># from screen> kneedeep.org mailing lists - Admin Links ># from screen> ># from screen> # from screen> ># from screen> No such list hinds ># from screen> ># from screen> Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman ># from screen> mailing lists on kneedeep.org. Click on a list name ># from screen> to visit the configuration pages for that list. To visit ># from screen> the administrators configuration page for an ># from screen> unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with ># from screen> a '/' and the right list name appended. ># from screen> ># from screen> General list information can be found at the mailing list ># from screen> overview page. ># from screen> ># from screen> (Send questions and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.) ># from screen> ># from screen> ># from screen> List Description ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] ># from screen> test This is a test list and will soon be deleted. ># from screen> >____________________________________________________________________________ > ># from screen> ># from screen> Delivered by Mailman ># from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home ># from screen> page ># from screen> Python home page ># from screen> GNU home page ># from screen> > >Here is what I have tried in order to delete the list. > ># from screen> fbsd# whoami ># from screen> root > ># from screen> fbsd# pwd ># from screen> /usr/local/mailman/bin > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon ># from screen> be deleted. > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist "Hinds calculus ii" ># from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. ># from screen> Removing list info > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist -a "Hinds calculus ii" ># from screen> Removing list info ># from screen> hinds calculus ii private archives not found as ># from screen> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hinds calculus ii ># from screen> Removing private archives ># from screen> Removing public archives ># from screen> Removing public archives > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon ># from screen> be deleted. > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist \Hinds\ calculus\ ii ># from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. ># from screen> Removing list info > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon ># from screen> be deleted. From dan at ssc.com Wed Jan 9 18:32:38 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:32:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages? In-Reply-To: <20020109115822.B18039@allhats.xcski.com> References: <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk> <20020109115822.B18039@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: <20020109093238.A11299@ssc.com> Add method to FAQ, please!! The means you describe is something I've been intending to figure out how to do with procmail for ages ... been waiting to find that Round Tuit. Thanks! On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:58:22AM -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 04:43:11PM +0000, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > > I've got some users who hit "reply-to-all" and thus wind up with two > > copies of the message coming towards the list concerned. I realise that > > the best way round this is user education (!), but is there any code within > > Mailman which will spot duplicates and ignore them? It is duplicates with > > the same Message-ID with which I'm concerned. > > Run the list mail through procmail before going to the list. (I already > wrote up how to do that in the faq.) In the procmail filter, put the > following code up near the top: > > :0 Whc: msgid.lock > | formail -D 8192 /tmp/msgid.cache > > :0 a: > /dev/null > > The first bit keeps a message id cache of the last 8192 message ids > recieved on the list, and the second bit deletes any messages whose > message id matches one in the cache. > > > -- > Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody > Things should be as simple as possible, but not simpler. > -- Albert Einstein > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ptomblin at xcski.com Wed Jan 9 18:32:52 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:32:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages? In-Reply-To: <17121.1010596893@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:21:33AM -0800 References: <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk> <17121.1010596893@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20020109123252.A20137@allhats.xcski.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:21:33AM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:43:11 GMT > Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > > I've got some users who hit "reply-to-all" and thus wind up with > > two copies of the message coming towards the list concerned. > > Then their MUAs are seriously broken. The people I see who do it are using Outhouse, so yes, their MUAs are seriously broken, by definition. > > I realise that the best way round this is user education (!)... > > No, the solution is to get them to use an actually working and > correct MUA. The problem is that Outhouse is a tarpit - it doesn't matter how many problems you point out that Outhouse has, both in complete purposeful ignorance of the RFCs and common sense and the multitude of security holes, it seems impossible to get people to change to something decent. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "All life is transitory. A dream. We all come together in the same place at the end of time. If I don't see you again here, I will see you in a little while in the place where no shadows fall." - Delenn From ptomblin at xcski.com Wed Jan 9 19:17:58 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages? In-Reply-To: <20020109093238.A11299@ssc.com>; from dan@ssc.com on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:32:38AM -0800 References: <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk> <20020109115822.B18039@allhats.xcski.com> <20020109093238.A11299@ssc.com> Message-ID: <20020109131758.B21495@allhats.xcski.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:32:38AM -0800, Dan Wilder wrote: > Add method to FAQ, please!! Done. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "Outside of a dog, a good book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx From jonc at haht.com Wed Jan 9 20:23:32 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:23:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list removal and making a list public References: <0b8c01c19926$e021c100$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Message-ID: <015301c19943$213b7d90$0b04010a@JCARNES> Yes, you can simply delete it manually from ~mailman/lists/.. and ~mailman/archives/.. Oddly enough, Mailman simply scans the subdirectories in ~mailman/lists/ and queries the file config.db in the sub-dir for the name and properties of the lists that it displays. It does not have a central database of mailing lists. Each list is stand-alone. This makes Mailman quite modular, which is all-in-all a very good design. Make sure that you have the Group SU-ID set for the ~mailman directory (and for the ../lists subdirectory), and that the group owner is "mailman". If the cgi-script "listinfo" cannot read the subdirectories under ~mailman/lists then it will not display any as public. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- > > Note below that the list name "Hinds calculus ii" does not match the error > message echoed to screen output generated by "lynx localhost/mailman/admin". > The error message says "No such list hinds" (not "No such list Hinds > calculus ii). This might be related to the problem of not being able to > delete the list. Maybe lists > with spaces in the name is causing some of the problems. > > As far as what I've tried to do to remove the list, the output below pretty > much speaks for itself. But, to summarize, I have tried using qoutes and > escaping > the spaces in the list name. Again, can I just delete the references to the > lists I want to delete from /lists and /archives? > > Thanks for helping, > Darren > > If you will go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo, you can see for > yourself the output generated there (neither test list shows up). > Likewise, you can go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/admin and see that > both lists show up there and if you follow the link to Hinds calulus > ii, it will give you a log in prompt (that is different from what you get > when you view it from localhost). > > >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx > localhost/mailman/listinfo": > > # from screen> localhost Mailing Lists > > # from screen> > # from screen> Welcome! > # from screen> > # from screen> Below is a listing of all the public mailing lists on > # from screen> localhost. Click on a list name to get more > # from screen> information about the list, or to subscribe, unsubscribe, > # from screen> and change the preferences on your subscription. > # from screen> To visit the info page for an unadvertised list, open a URL > # from screen> similar to this one, but with a '/' and the > # from screen> list name appended. > # from screen> > # from screen> List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview > # from screen> page to find the management interface for your > # from screen> list. > # from screen> > # from screen> (Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at localhost.) > # from screen> > # from screen> > # from screen> List Description > # from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] > # from screen> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > # from screen> > # from screen> Delivered by Mailman > # from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home > # from screen> page > # from screen> Python home page > # from screen> GNU home page > # from screen> > > >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx > localhost/mailman/admin": > > # from screen> kneedeep.org mailing lists - Admin Links > # from screen> > # from screen> # from screen> > # from screen> No such list hinds > # from screen> > # from screen> Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman > # from screen> mailing lists on kneedeep.org. Click on a list name > # from screen> to visit the configuration pages for that list. To visit > # from screen> the administrators configuration page for an > # from screen> unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with > # from screen> a '/' and the right list name appended. > # from screen> > # from screen> General list information can be found at the mailing list > # from screen> overview page. > # from screen> > # from screen> (Send questions and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.) > # from screen> > # from screen> > # from screen> List Description > # from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] > # from screen> test This is a test list and will soon be deleted. > # from screen> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > # from screen> > # from screen> Delivered by Mailman > # from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home > # from screen> page > # from screen> Python home page > # from screen> GNU home page > # from screen> > > Here is what I have tried in order to delete the list. > > # from screen> fbsd# whoami > # from screen> root > > # from screen> fbsd# pwd > # from screen> /usr/local/mailman/bin > > # from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > # from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > # from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > # from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > # from screen> be deleted. > > # from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist "Hinds calculus ii" > # from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. > # from screen> Removing list info > > # from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist -a "Hinds calculus ii" > # from screen> Removing list info > # from screen> hinds calculus ii private archives not found as > # from screen> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hinds calculus ii > # from screen> Removing private archives > # from screen> Removing public archives > # from screen> Removing public archives > > # from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > # from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > # from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > # from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > # from screen> be deleted. > > > # from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist \Hinds\ calculus\ ii > # from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. > # from screen> Removing list info > > # from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > # from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > # from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > # from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > # from screen> be deleted. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From tdavis at birddog.com Wed Jan 9 21:00:40 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:00:40 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list access Message-ID: <3C3CA168.1050405@birddog.com> I want to only allow access to my lists from people with @domain.com addresses. Is this possible? -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From tdavis at birddog.com Wed Jan 9 21:33:48 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:33:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail coming from different hostname than specified Message-ID: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> Hello, Support here has been great. Things are working out well. With one exception. I have an a-record set up that I am using (lists). When I send an email to listname-request at lists.domain.com, the response comes back from listname-request at hostname.domain.com where hostname is the actual hostname of the server. How can I fix this? I have the following set: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.domain.com' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists/mailman' thank you! -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 9 21:55:31 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:55:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail coming from different hostname than specified References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> Message-ID: <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> Terry Davis wrote: > I have the following set: > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.domain.com' > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists/mailman' In which file? They need to be in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: grep DEFAULT mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.diarist.net' # DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash! DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists.diarist.net/mailman/' [ NOTE: the system itself is battle.yeehaw.net running three different [lists] domains, hence the 'lists.diarist.net' in the PATH info ] -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From tdavis at birddog.com Wed Jan 9 21:48:36 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:48:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail coming from different hostname than specified References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> Yes, that is in my mm_cfg.py file. Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > Terry Davis wrote: > > >>I have the following set: >>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.domain.com' >>DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists/mailman' >> > > In which file? They need to be in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: > > grep DEFAULT mm_cfg.py > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.diarist.net' > # DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash! > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists.diarist.net/mailman/' > > [ NOTE: the system itself is battle.yeehaw.net > running three different [lists] domains, hence the > 'lists.diarist.net' in the PATH info ] > > > -- > W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 > http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. > > -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From backdoc at crotchett.com Wed Jan 9 21:53:14 2002 From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:53:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list removal and making a list public References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020109162744.03ad4e28@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <0c2201c1994f$a8752480$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Richard and all, Thanks. I appreciate your help and advice. With your suggestions, I upgraded and now have a working list. For the benefit of others who may find this thread via the archives, I will just add a couple of comments. I had to stray from the INSTALL file just a little bit because I had originally used the ports to install Mailman. Therefore, I already had a mailman user and mailman group. Because FreeBSD ports creates the group and user automagically, I couldn't do some things as user mailman that the INSTALL asks be done. For example, the ./configure. I tried #su mailman -c . But, mailman doesn't have a shell on my box. So, I did it as root and then chown -R the mailman directory. Also, when adding to the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'yourdomain' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.yourdomain.org/mailman/' You must also add this: MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME Just looking at it, you might not think so at first. But, if you don't, MAILMAN_OWNER will take the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME part from the lines above it in Default.py instead of your edits in mm_cfg.py. Also, whenever you are editing your list preferences via a browser, it seems to matter that you save your changes between pages. I found out the hard way. I made a bunch of changes across several pages. The only page's changes that got saved was the last page. Oh. And, don't use list names with spaces :). Good luck. Darren > The absence of lists and the difference in presentation depending on the IP > address specified in the URL used to access the MM web GUI suggests the > problem you are having results form MM's virtual hosting feature. If you > changef the value of VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py > then the problem would probably go away; but read on before you do that. > > Looking at your site through http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/admin, it > gives an e-mail address for the mailman owner mailman-owner at localhost as > which suggests that DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'localhost' in your > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. You really want to set DEFAULT_HOST_NAME to > the IP name of your host through which you expect the MM web GUI to be > accessed in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: localhost won't provide > communication for a user on another machine. You also want to set > MAILMAN_OWNER to include the IP name of your machine in > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. > > As an aside, do your own test and accessing through a fully qualified > domain name for your mailman machine not 'localhost'. That way you'll see > your installation as your users will; they can never access it through > 'localhost' I hope. > > >Note below that the list name "Hinds calculus ii" does not match the error > >message echoed to screen output generated by "lynx localhost/mailman/admin". > >The error message says "No such list hinds" (not "No such list Hinds > >calculus ii). This might be related to the problem of not being able to > >delete the list. Maybe lists > >with spaces in the name is causing some of the problems. > > I suspect that if you said the following on the command line it might work: > > lynx "localhost/mailman/admin/hinds calculus ii" > > The following URL certainly does work from my machine using Netscape: > > http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo/hinds%20calculus%20ii > > However, spaces in list names are not a good idea. Bear in mind that the > the list name is going to be the local part of what must be a valid > Internet addr-spec as described in RFC2822 section 3.4.1 as well as being a > directory name and part of file names in your file system, and part of URIs > for accessing through the web GUI. That means that when it is used the > local part has to be quoted (enclosed in double quotes) to be valid if it > contains spaces or special characters like '.'. In all honesty I'm not even > sure if MM is programmed to cope with all the possible implications of this. > > Why make life difficult. Just keep list names short and do not allow > embedded whitespace, puncutation etc - all those things that need to be > escaped in URLs, on command lines and in mail address specifications. Stick > to a-zA-Z0-9-_ characters in your list names and you won't go far wrong. > > > >As far as what I've tried to do to remove the list, the output below pretty > >much speaks for itself. But, to summarize, I have tried using qoutes and > >escaping > >the spaces in the list name. Again, can I just delete the references to the > >lists I want to delete from /lists and /archives? > > I'm not sure as to why you are having the deletion problem. Given that > you've not really got started with Mailman I'd: > > 1. treat what's happened so far as good experience of what can go wrong > > 2. blow away your 2.0.5 install > > 3. download 2.0.8 from > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0.8.tgz > > 4. redo you installation from mailman-2.0.8.tgz > > 5. check your $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py following installation and see if > the variables discussed look sensible > > 6. avoid creating lists with names that will cause problems. > > Take heart, it took me three or four goes when I first installed MM to get > an installation that worked right > > > cheers > > Richard > > >Thanks for helping, > >Darren > > > >If you will go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo, you can see for > >yourself the output generated there (neither test list shows up). > >Likewise, you can go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/admin and see that > >both lists show up there and if you follow the link to Hinds calulus > >ii, it will give you a log in prompt (that is different from what you get > >when you view it from localhost). > > > > >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx > >localhost/mailman/listinfo": > > > ># from screen> localhost Mailing Lists > > > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Welcome! > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Below is a listing of all the public mailing lists on > ># from screen> localhost. Click on a list name to get more > ># from screen> information about the list, or to subscribe, unsubscribe, > ># from screen> and change the preferences on your subscription. > ># from screen> To visit the info page for an unadvertised list, open a URL > ># from screen> similar to this one, but with a '/' and the > ># from screen> list name appended. > ># from screen> > ># from screen> List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview > ># from screen> page to find the management interface for your > ># from screen> list. > ># from screen> > ># from screen> (Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at localhost.) > ># from screen> > ># from screen> > ># from screen> List Description > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] > ># from screen> > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Delivered by Mailman > ># from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home > ># from screen> page > ># from screen> Python home page > ># from screen> GNU home page > ># from screen> > > > > >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx > >localhost/mailman/admin": > > > ># from screen> kneedeep.org mailing lists - Admin Links > ># from screen> > ># from screen> # from screen> > ># from screen> No such list hinds > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman > ># from screen> mailing lists on kneedeep.org. Click on a list name > ># from screen> to visit the configuration pages for that list. To visit > ># from screen> the administrators configuration page for an > ># from screen> unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with > ># from screen> a '/' and the right list name appended. > ># from screen> > ># from screen> General list information can be found at the mailing list > ># from screen> overview page. > ># from screen> > ># from screen> (Send questions and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.) > ># from screen> > ># from screen> > ># from screen> List Description > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] > ># from screen> test This is a test list and will soon be deleted. > ># from screen> > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > > > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Delivered by Mailman > ># from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home > ># from screen> page > ># from screen> Python home page > ># from screen> GNU home page > ># from screen> > > > >Here is what I have tried in order to delete the list. > > > ># from screen> fbsd# whoami > ># from screen> root > > > ># from screen> fbsd# pwd > ># from screen> /usr/local/mailman/bin > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > ># from screen> be deleted. > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist "Hinds calculus ii" > ># from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. > ># from screen> Removing list info > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist -a "Hinds calculus ii" > ># from screen> Removing list info > ># from screen> hinds calculus ii private archives not found as > ># from screen> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hinds calculus ii > ># from screen> Removing private archives > ># from screen> Removing public archives > ># from screen> Removing public archives > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > ># from screen> be deleted. > > > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist \Hinds\ calculus\ ii > ># from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. > ># from screen> Removing list info > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > ># from screen> be deleted. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 9 22:04:57 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:04:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail coming from different hostname than specified References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> Message-ID: <3C3CB079.A2A056E@pcraft.com> Terry Davis wrote: > Yes, that is in my mm_cfg.py file. Can you run 'strings' against the .pyc file, see if the settings match with .py ? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ridalski at nandomedia.com Wed Jan 9 21:59:13 2002 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:59:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail coming from different hostname than specified In-Reply-To: <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> Message-ID: WOuld this not be more of a problem with either your MTA's aliases file, or with your MTA's configuration file tacking the wrong name on there? For instance if you're running sendmail check your sendmail.cf file to see what it has, or if you're running postfix chekc the main.cf file. Not sure if that would have any bearing, but worth a look. -Richard -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Terry Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:49 PM To: ashley at pcraft.com Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mail coming from different hostname than specified Yes, that is in my mm_cfg.py file. Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > Terry Davis wrote: > > >>I have the following set: >>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.domain.com' >>DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists/mailman' >> > > In which file? They need to be in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: > > grep DEFAULT mm_cfg.py > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'lists.diarist.net' > # DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash! > DEFAULT_URL = 'http://lists.diarist.net/mailman/' > > [ NOTE: the system itself is battle.yeehaw.net > running three different [lists] domains, hence the > 'lists.diarist.net' in the PATH info ] > > > -- > W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 > http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. > > -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 9 22:09:27 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:09:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail coming from different hostname than specified References: Message-ID: <3C3CB187.6A9CD034@pcraft.com> Richard Idalski wrote: > WOuld this not be more of a problem with either your MTA's aliases file, or > with your MTA's configuration file tacking the wrong name on there? For > instance if you're running sendmail check your sendmail.cf file to see what > it has, or if you're running postfix chekc the main.cf file. Not sure if > that would have any bearing, but worth a look. That would be more with the MASQUERADING option, rather than the alias file, but yes it's entirely possible his MTA is masquerading all outgoing email - that was my next suggestion. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From tdavis at birddog.com Wed Jan 9 22:02:35 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:02:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail coming from different hostname than specified References: <3C3CB187.6A9CD034@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3C3CAFEB.6070104@birddog.com> I use sendmail. I have the hostname and fqdn lists.domain.com in my Fw file. If it was masquerading all mail out with this hostname, then all my email would say it was from user at hostname.domain.com rather than user at domain.com like it is now. Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > Richard Idalski wrote: > > >>WOuld this not be more of a problem with either your MTA's aliases file, or >>with your MTA's configuration file tacking the wrong name on there? For >>instance if you're running sendmail check your sendmail.cf file to see what >>it has, or if you're running postfix chekc the main.cf file. Not sure if >>that would have any bearing, but worth a look. >> > > That would be more with the MASQUERADING option, rather than the alias > file, but yes it's entirely possible his MTA is masquerading all outgoing email > - that was my next suggestion. > > -- > W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 > http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. > > -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From twarfield at astcorp.com Wed Jan 9 22:16:44 2002 From: twarfield at astcorp.com (Tom Warfield) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:16:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Marketing List Message-ID: <002501c19952$f06121b0$a15c03cf@astcorp.com> I have several things I am under the gun to figure out and make mailman do for our marketing list. Basicaly what we are using the mailman software for is to send marketing information to our customers and etc. Of course they have to sign up for this and all that good stuff. Right now I have a webpage that is setup for someone to sign up into the marketing list then when they hit submit it goes into our database as well as subscribes the person to the appropriate lists in mailman. Things I want to see and cant figure out: 1) For my application I don't really need the password options im seeing and have just been using a default password for each user. Can I get rid of the password features? This would make life easier and get rid of the lame default passwords im forcing into the system. 2) Unsubscribe page. I am trying to create a webpage to unsubscribe the person from anything they don't want to be on. So basically what I am wanting to do is when the person receives an email from us it will read on the bottom "If you no longer wish to get this spam click here to be removed" which will take them to a webpage that lets them choose what they are going to unsubscribe from and provide there email address. When they press submit it sends it to mailman and also gets put into our DB. Mailman removes them and presto..everyone is happy. 3) Would also like to see a line at the bottom of each message that is sent out that reads: This message was originally sent to: I have read that you cant do this with mailman, from FAQ's, and to check out your MTA. Were using Postfix...im wondering if anyone has accomplished this? I am sure there is more, but my brain is fried right now...time to take a break. Hopefully I will have some good ideas in my inbox by the time I get back :) Thanks in advance! Tom Warfield From tdavis at birddog.com Wed Jan 9 22:41:16 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:41:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not being nice... References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> <3C3CB079.A2A056E@pcraft.com> <3C3CAF15.1000100@birddog.com> <3C3CB1F8.EB4DF01F@pcraft.com> <3C3CB01D.1040901@birddog.com> <3C3CB28D.84102884@pcraft.com> <3C3CB163.2010007@birddog.com> <3C3CB4F3.B0EC15D1@pcraft.com> <3C3CB3CB.109@birddog.com> <3C3CB84F.A8C8F697@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3C3CB8FC.2020905@birddog.com> I am really confused. If any developers can help me/us out with this, it would be greatly appreciated. Mailman is using hostname.domain.com as the domain of the lists. Like listname-request at hostname.domain.com versus using what I have specified in my mm_cfg.py file. Thank you Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > Terry Davis wrote: > > >>hrm.... >> >> 'host_name': 'lists.birddog.com', >> > > Okay, so that should also match the hostname visible in the admin pages (want to verify that?). > What the hee... This is where I personally would nuke everything, including my sendmail config, and > start rom scratch. However, I would push this back up to the list and wait for one of the developers > to answer... This has me baffled as well. > > -- > W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 > http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. > > -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From tdavis at birddog.com Wed Jan 9 23:07:29 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:07:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not being nice... References: Message-ID: <3C3CBF21.7080402@birddog.com> no, user at domain.com Raymond Tant wrote: > Your problem might be in your MTA. Does your local user mail show up as > user at hostname.doman.org? > > Ray > > >>>>Terry Davis 01/09/02 03:41PM >>> >>>> > I am really confused. If any developers can help me/us out with this, > it would be greatly appreciated. > > Mailman is using hostname.domain.com as the domain of the lists. Like > listname-request at hostname.domain.com versus using what I have specified > in my mm_cfg.py file. > > Thank you > > Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > > >>Terry Davis wrote: >> >> >> >>>hrm.... >>> >>> 'host_name': 'lists.birddog.com', >>> >>> >> Okay, so that should also match the hostname visible in the admin pages (want to verify that?). >>What the hee... This is where I personally would nuke everything, including my sendmail config, and >>start rom scratch. However, I would push this back up to the list and wait for one of the developers >>to answer... This has me baffled as well. >> >>-- >>W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. >> +-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 >> IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 >> Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 >> http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. >> >> >> > > > -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From tdavis at birddog.com Thu Jan 10 00:10:45 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:10:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not being nice... References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> <3C3CB079.A2A056E@pcraft.com> <3C3CAF15.1000100@birddog.com> <3C3CB1F8.EB4DF01F@pcraft.com> <3C3CB01D.1040901@birddog.com> <3C3CB28D.84102884@pcraft.com> <3C3CB163.2010007@birddog.com> <3C3CB4F3.B0EC15D1@pcraft.com> <3C3CB3CB.109@birddog.com> <3C3CB84F.A8C8F697@pcraft.com> <3C3CB857.2060102@birddog.com> <3C3CBB8E.4593E0D0@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3C3CCDF5.9050707@birddog.com> I figured out the problem with the hostname being used vs the name I specified. I am quite embarrassed to admit it but it should be a lesson that everyone should learn from. The name I was using was being used before as a web host. http://lists.domain.com/ I changed it and turned it into a mail host. I forgot to change it from a CNAME to an A record. This is why they tell you not to point CNAMEs and MX records. :) Thank you to all for trying. Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > Terry Davis wrote: > > >>well, just FYI, I deleted and re-created the list with the new 'hacked' >>scripts and it still comes from hostname.domain.com. stupid. >> > > Go kick sendmail... :) Honestly, I don't think this is Mailman anymore. > > -- > W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 > http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. > > -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From macdaddy at bluesmobile.com Tue Jan 8 03:17:42 2002 From: macdaddy at bluesmobile.com (Matthew E. Shames) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:17:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] special characters in name and address Message-ID: Hey folks, I hope you don't mind another question from a Mailman "newbie". I am another of the Mac enthusiasts who have moved over to OS X in the past couple of years, and am enjoying expanding my knowledge to include some UNIX basics. I've noticed a strange problem whereby Mailman appears to munge the "From" address when it contains both a name and an address, and the name contains a period. The setup: Mailman 2.0.7 on OS X 10.1.2, with Postfix (20010228-pl08) as the MTA. The list in question is called "test", and restricts postings to subscribed users. If I send a message, and the "From" header is set to: Matthew E. Shames Mailman rejects it because it states that it is being sent from matthewe.shames at bluesmobile.com. Additionally, it tries to send a bounce message to matthewe.shames at bluesmobile.com, which is not a valid address, so the postmaster (also me) gets notified. Now, if I set the "From" header to: Matthew Shames the message goes through without any incident. Additionally, if I set member_posting_only to false, messages from either scenario make it through without incident. I'm not completely sure if this is a postfix issue, or a mailman issue, or something else. However, I don't seem to have this issue when sending non-list mail through postfix. I hope this makes sense--I'd be happy to explain further. If anyone has any insights, I'd be most grateful. Thanks, matt From jlg177 at cs.columbia.edu Tue Jan 8 04:08:12 2002 From: jlg177 at cs.columbia.edu (Joanna L. Gilberti) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:08:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing lists Message-ID: Hi, I TA for Professor Jean-Claude Franchitti, and have been managing the mailing list for the courses. I would like to archive the mailing list as well as reuse it for the next semester. If this is possible, how do I go about doing that so that the mailing list is not deleted? Thanks, Joanna From buddika at vcs.informatics.lk Tue Jan 8 11:45:19 2002 From: buddika at vcs.informatics.lk (Prasanna Buddika) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:45:19 +0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help me Message-ID: Hi, I am using Mailman Version: 2.0.4 in Linux red hat 7.1. And sendmail is running as a mail server. I have configured everything. But when I send a mail to a group account it doesn't goes to the accounts in the list. So please help me to solve this. Thanks, Regards, Buddika --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/02 From albie at natura.di.uminho.pt Tue Jan 8 13:38:05 2002 From: albie at natura.di.uminho.pt (Alberto Manuel B. Simoes) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:38:05 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] update Message-ID: <20020108123805.B7254@natura.di.uminho.pt> HellO! I had a server running mailman. Meanwhile, the machine was hacked. I reinstalled everything, but now my lists does not work (the wrapper says 'bad list name'). On the other hand, the web administrative interface is working. Thanks for a answer Alberto From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue Jan 8 20:41:41 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:41:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ack! corrupt archive? Message-ID: <20020108194141.GF11098@mrbill.net> Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): Traceback (most recent call last): Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "../Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", l ine 221, in ArchiveMail Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /pipermail.py", line 528, in processUnixMailbox Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.add_article(a) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperArch.py", line 928, in add_article Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.__super_add_article(article) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /pipermail.py", line 567, in add_article Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): article.parentID = parentID = self.get_ parent_info(arch, article) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /pipermail.py", line 601, in get_parent_info Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): if parentID and not self.database.hasAr ticle(archive, parentID): Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperDatabase.py", line 267, in hasArticle Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.__openIndices(archive) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperDatabase.py", line 245, in __openIndices Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, arch ive + '-' + i)) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperDatabase.py", line 68, in __init__ Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.load() Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver /HyperDatabase.py", line 173, in load Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): self.dict = marshal.load(fp) Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 qrunner(29784): ValueError: bad marshal data Jan 08 13:36:06 2002 (29784) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: rescue Any idea how to fix this? Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill at mrbill.net Austin, TX From zse at sch.bme.hu Wed Jan 9 10:48:33 2002 From: zse at sch.bme.hu (Zse) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:48:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost passwd Message-ID: <001201c198f2$cda8bda0$86d74298@relax> Hi! What can I do, if I lost my mailman list password? how can I change it? Thx Tamas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020109/54078e53/attachment.htm From p.lord at russet.org.uk Wed Jan 9 18:46:59 2002 From: p.lord at russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:46:59 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] blocking MIME Message-ID: <200201091746.RAA06574@jrpc.cs.man.ac.uk> Hello all I'd like to block all MIME messages going to a mailman mailing list, or alternatively hold them up for moderation. This is partly so that I can block HTML mail because its annoying, and pretty much everything else to avoid the mail virus problem. Is there a simple way that I can achieve this from within mailman. Currently the only option I can think of is prefiltering mail, and killing all mime. Cheers Phil From fraz at smartowner.co.uk Wed Jan 9 19:27:54 2002 From: fraz at smartowner.co.uk (fraz at smartowner.co.uk) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:27:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman post Installation Problems Message-ID: <20020109182754.55bfc5af.fraz@smartowner.co.uk> Mailman segfaults as soon as any command (including initial password setup) is run System is Mandrake 7.2 # rpm -qa | grep python python-1.5.2-12mdk rpm-python-3.0.5-27mdk python-devel-1.5.2-12mdk -- Fraz White http://www.smartowner.co.uk "Obscurum per obscurious, ignotium per ignotius" From JGrantham at mcglinchey.com Wed Jan 9 21:10:46 2002 From: JGrantham at mcglinchey.com (Grantham, Jeff) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:10:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: <37D4C47C2B4C144592128158DED9C8A034332F@jackson-exch.mcglinchey.com> I have installed Mailman according to your directions. Only thing is, whenever I try to go to that page I get a Permission denied error. Any ideas where to start to look? I went back and checked all the steps to installation and have not forgotten anything. I am running RedHat 7.2 python 1.5.2. Thanks, Jeff Grantham Network Administrator McGlinchey Stafford jgrantham at mcglinchey.com Confidentiality Statement "The information contained in this electronic message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the owner of the email address listed as the recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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This is > partly so that I can block HTML mail because its annoying, and pretty > much everything else to avoid the mail virus problem. > > Is there a simple way that I can achieve this from within > mailman. Currently the only option I can think of is prefiltering > mail, and killing all mime. I've written a script for doing this. You can find it at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html I believe Mailman 2.1 will have this functionality built in. alex From ptomblin at xcski.com Thu Jan 10 01:47:28 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] blocking MIME In-Reply-To: <200201091746.RAA06574@jrpc.cs.man.ac.uk>; from p.lord@russet.org.uk on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:46:59PM +0000 References: <200201091746.RAA06574@jrpc.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020109194728.A9513@allhats.xcski.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:46:59PM +0000, Phillip Lord wrote: > I'd like to block all MIME messages going to a mailman > mailing list, or alternatively hold them up for moderation. This is http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.013.htp -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "The Americans have said ``Ni'' and they want their shrubbery" - Harry Teasley predicts a Bush victory, 8Mar2000 From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Jan 10 04:02:15 2002 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:02:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ignoring duplicate messages? In-Reply-To: <20020109123252.A20137@allhats.xcski.com> References: <200201091643.QAA17848@vanyel.herald.co.uk> <17121.1010596893@kanga.nu> <20020109123252.A20137@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: At 12:32 -0500 1/9/2002, Paul Tomblin wrote: >The problem is that Outhouse is a tarpit - it doesn't matter how many >problems you point out that Outhouse has, both in complete purposeful >ignorance of the RFCs and common sense and the multitude of security >holes, it seems impossible to get people to change to something decent. And just when you get someone convinced, the Boss says "everyone will use Outhouse and nothing else". --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From barry at zope.com Thu Jan 10 04:19:27 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:19:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not being nice... References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> <3C3CB079.A2A056E@pcraft.com> <3C3CAF15.1000100@birddog.com> <3C3CB1F8.EB4DF01F@pcraft.com> <3C3CB01D.1040901@birddog.com> <3C3CB28D.84102884@pcraft.com> <3C3CB163.2010007@birddog.com> <3C3CB4F3.B0EC15D1@pcraft.com> <3C3CB3CB.109@birddog.com> <3C3CB84F.A8C8F697@pcraft.com> <3C3CB8FC.2020905@birddog.com> Message-ID: <15421.2111.428607.547634@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "TD" == Terry Davis writes: TD> Mailman is using hostname.domain.com as the domain of the TD> lists. Like listname-request at hostname.domain.com versus using TD> what I have specified in my mm_cfg.py file. One thing to remember is that the lists' database cache values such as the "web page url" and the hostname. So once a list is created, setting these in mm_cfg.py won't help. In Mailman 2.0.x you can change them through the web (but be careful because if you mess up web_page_url you're list will be unaccessible from the web). In Mailman 2.1, you can change hostname (i.e. the host part of email addresses) through the web but not web_page_url (the prefix of the url), so you'll have to change the latter from the command line. -Barry From ashley at pcraft.com Thu Jan 10 04:21:15 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:21:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not being nice... References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> <3C3CB079.A2A056E@pcraft.com> <3C3CAF15.1000100@birddog.com> <3C3CB1F8.EB4DF01F@pcraft.com> <3C3CB01D.1040901@birddog.com> <3C3CB28D.84102884@pcraft.com> <3C3CB163.2010007@birddog.com> <3C3CB4F3.B0EC15D1@pcraft.com> <3C3CB3CB.109@birddog.com> <3C3CB84F.A8C8F697@pcraft.com> <3C3CB8FC.2020905@birddog.com> <15421.2111.428607.547634@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <3C3D08AA.58A2D11E@pcraft.com> "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > One thing to remember is that the lists' database cache values such as > the "web page url" and the hostname. So once a list is created, > setting these in mm_cfg.py won't help. We checked that. They're correct. It had to do with his DNS setup. Not Mailman. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From barry at zope.com Thu Jan 10 04:39:58 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not being nice... References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> <3C3CB079.A2A056E@pcraft.com> <3C3CAF15.1000100@birddog.com> <3C3CB1F8.EB4DF01F@pcraft.com> <3C3CB01D.1040901@birddog.com> <3C3CB28D.84102884@pcraft.com> <3C3CB163.2010007@birddog.com> <3C3CB4F3.B0EC15D1@pcraft.com> <3C3CB3CB.109@birddog.com> <3C3CB84F.A8C8F697@pcraft.com> <3C3CB8FC.2020905@birddog.com> <15421.2111.428607.547634@anthem.wooz.org> <3C3D08AA.58A2D11E@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <15421.3342.661721.44199@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "AMK" == Ashley M Kirchner writes: AMK> We checked that. They're correct. It had to do with his AMK> DNS setup. Not Mailman. Ah cool. Thanks guys for providing such good advice to others on this list. -Barry From ashley at pcraft.com Thu Jan 10 04:42:39 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:42:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not being nice... References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> <3C3CB079.A2A056E@pcraft.com> <3C3CAF15.1000100@birddog.com> <3C3CB1F8.EB4DF01F@pcraft.com> <3C3CB01D.1040901@birddog.com> <3C3CB28D.84102884@pcraft.com> <3C3CB163.2010007@birddog.com> <3C3CB4F3.B0EC15D1@pcraft.com> <3C3CB3CB.109@birddog.com> <3C3CB84F.A8C8F697@pcraft.com> <3C3CB8FC.2020905@birddog.com> <15421.2111.428607.547634@anthem.wooz.org> <3C3D08AA.58A2D11E@pcraft.com> <15421.3342.661721.44199@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <3C3D0DAF.81B7E347@pcraft.com> "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > Ah cool. Thanks guys for providing such good advice to others on this > list. I try. :) Mailman Users group has been a great source of help to me...it's time I return the favor. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From matt at prosapia.com Thu Jan 10 04:42:27 2002 From: matt at prosapia.com (matt at prosapia.com) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:42:27 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Heavy load for newsletter question Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020109193527.00a99968@prosapia.com> I've recently moved a 50,000 user list from some web-based newsletter software over to Mailman. This list is purely a newsletter where the users cannot post messages to the list. First of all, are there any optimizations I can use for a newsletter-type list? Second, since I've moved to Mailman, I've noticed a huge increase in load when sending out mail to the list. I'm currently using sendmail. The system is a 866MHz P3 with 256MB of RAM running RedHat 7.1. The server also hosts a website with near 2 million hits a day (about 48% static pages, 48% SSI pages, 4% CGI). Right now the load average is 0.37, 1.02, 8.45. Its a little high from Mailman doing its thing. Any suggestions for a new Mailman user? Thanks! -Matt From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Jan 10 04:52:06 2002 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:52:06 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not being nice... In-Reply-To: <3C3CB8FC.2020905@birddog.com> References: <3C3CA92C.1020102@birddog.com> <3C3CAE43.F449F2EC@pcraft.com> <3C3CACA4.9010300@birddog.com> <3C3CB079.A2A056E@pcraft.com> <3C3CAF15.1000100@birddog.com> <3C3CB1F8.EB4DF01F@pcraft.com> <3C3CB01D.1040901@birddog.com> <3C3CB28D.84102884@pcraft.com> <3C3CB163.2010007@birddog.com> <3C3CB4F3.B0EC15D1@pcraft.com> <3C3CB3CB.109@birddog.com> <3C3CB84F.A8C8F697@pcraft.com> <3C3CB8FC.2020905@birddog.com> Message-ID: At 15:41 -0600 1/9/2002, Terry Davis wrote: >I am really confused. If any developers can help me/us out with this, >it would be greatly appreciated. > >Mailman is using hostname.domain.com as the domain of the lists. Like >listname-request at hostname.domain.com versus using what I have specified >in my mm_cfg.py file. > >Thank you What did you have specified when the lists were created? If it was not what it is now, you'll need to do some fiddling with the older lists (since I haven't done such fiddling, I'm not the one to advise). --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Jan 10 05:00:20 2002 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:00:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: several messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 19:57 -0800 1/8/2002, Satya wrote: >Going the other way -- decrypting the encrypted string -- is very, >very, difficult. It's not all that hard, hence shadow passwords, and also different methods of encrypting. In the mid-90s, a high end desktop machine was said to be able to produce a working password, given the encrypted one, in half a day or so, by brute force (and without raising red flags by testing with the system in question). (The 8-character password limit inherent in using crypt() puts a nice constraint on the brute force method's maximum time.) --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From mburton at jo.birdsense.com Thu Jan 10 05:58:49 2002 From: mburton at jo.birdsense.com (mburton at jo.birdsense.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:58:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman Message-ID: <3C3CAF09.10338.F0E33D@localhost> Hi folks, I am giving Mailman 2.8 a try again after about a couple years away from it. It looks like it has matured quite a bit in that time and I am excited to reevaluate it. I have installed it with very little trouble on the surface. I have created a test list called BCtest without problem and accessed the admin pages with no problems. The problem comes in when I try to subscribe to the list. Any help will be greatly appreciated. System - Linux Mandrake 7.2 Kernel - 2.2.17-21mdksecure Postfix version - not readily available (ok, I'm braindead after working all day with Win2K issues ) Apache version - 1.3.12 I am getting an error at the commad line level that reads: Security: denied hard link to 1015:509 for UID 99, EUID 99, process python:22213 User ID 1015 is mailman Group ID 509 is mailman UID 99 is nobody (apache runs as user nobody) EUID 99 is also nobody (again, this is what apache runs as) ---- The traceback log contains the following: Jan 09 17:45:58 2002 admin(22099): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(22099): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----] admin(22099): [----- Traceback ------] admin(22099): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(22099): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(22099): main() admin(22099): File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 154, in main admin(22099): ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc) admin(22099): File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 899, in ChangeOptions admin(22099): digest, send_welcome_msg) admin(22099): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1124, in ApprovedAddMembers admin(22099): self.Save() admin(22099): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 857, in Save admin(22099): self.__save(dict) admin(22099): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in __save admin(22099): os.link(fname, fname_last) admin(22099): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted admin(22099): [----- Python Information -----] admin(22099): sys.version = 2.2 (#1, Jan 9 2002, 06:41:05) [GCC 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)] admin(22099): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(22099): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(22099): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local admin(22099): sys.path = /usr/local admin(22099): sys.platform = linux2 admin(22099): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(22099): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */* admin(22099): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form- urlencoded admin(22099): HTTP_REFERER: http://www.birdsense.com/mailman/admin/bctest/members admin(22099): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) admin(22099): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman admin(22099): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin admin(22099): SERVER_ADMIN: root at jo.birdsense.com admin(22099): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin admin(22099): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.12 Server at www.birdsense.com Port 80
admin(22099): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(22099): HTTP_HOST: www.birdsense.com admin(22099): PATH_INFO: /bctest/members admin(22099): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(22099): QUERY_STRING: admin(22099): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/bctest/members admin(22099): CONTENT_LENGTH: 102 admin(22099): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) admin(22099): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(22099): HTTP_COOKIE: bctest:admin=280200000069eff13c3c7328000000666365376237333 53661633337316561616532333230366461386438616164303639623 065303063; birdclick=lastv0:978023299&lastv1:978023299&vpage:0 admin(22099): SERVER_NAME: www.birdsense.com admin(22099): REMOTE_ADDR: 10.10.10.2 admin(22099): REMOTE_PORT: 1130 admin(22099): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us admin(22099): PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/bctest/members admin(22099): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(22099): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(22099): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate admin(22099): SERVER_ADDR: 64.24.214.247 admin(22099): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs From tmiller at nethawk.com Thu Jan 10 06:07:18 2002 From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] blocking MIME In-Reply-To: <200201091746.RAA06574@jrpc.cs.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110000456.009ffa10@pop.nethawk.com> At 12:46 PM 1/9/02, Phillip Lord wrote: > Hello all > > I'd like to block all MIME messages going to a mailman >mailing list, or alternatively hold them up for moderation. This is >partly so that I can block HTML mail because its annoying, and pretty >much everything else to avoid the mail virus problem. > > Is there a simple way that I can achieve this from within >mailman. Currently the only option I can think of is prefiltering >mail, and killing all mime. Yes, and you don't need a script to do it. Add the following lines (reg exps) to your taboo headers section. Content-Type: .*multipart Content-Type: .*mixed Content-Type: .*rich It will kick them out for approval. Tim From tdavis at birddog.com Thu Jan 10 07:09:29 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:09:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname - first letter capitalized Message-ID: <3C3D3019.70109@birddog.com> This seems a bit weird to me. When I create a new list "foobar-list", the name turns out to be "Foobar-list". This seems not correct to me. If I type all lower cased, I expect that. Am I off base here? Thanks for your thoughts. From ashley at pcraft.com Thu Jan 10 07:15:19 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:15:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname - first letter capitalized References: <3C3D3019.70109@birddog.com> Message-ID: <3C3D3177.376CE7B5@pcraft.com> Terry Davis wrote: > This seems a bit weird to me. When I create a new list "foobar-list", the name turns out to be "Foobar-list". This seems not correct to me. If I type all lower cased, I expect that. Am I off base here? Does it really matter though? Most MTA's I'm aware of are case insensitive, so sending email to 'foobar-list' or 'Foobar-list' will still go to the same list. You can always change the case of the list name on the administration page, but as far as your MTA goes, it _shouldn't_ matter. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From tdavis at birddog.com Thu Jan 10 07:27:07 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:27:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname - first letter capitalized References: <3C3D3019.70109@birddog.com> <3C3D3177.376CE7B5@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3C3D343B.6010202@birddog.com> Well, I am thinking more along the lines of cosmetics. When the person receives an email the FROM would say Foobar-list at lists.domain.com versus foobar-list at lists.domain.com. This is a almost a silly discussion but I expected it to be lower-cased since that is that I typed. BUT The RFCs state that you have to retain case in user addresses, in the event that the machine at the other end needs that information. Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > Terry Davis wrote: > > >>This seems a bit weird to me. When I create a new list "foobar-list", the name turns out to be "Foobar-list". This seems not correct to me. If I type all lower cased, I expect that. Am I off base here? >> > > Does it really matter though? Most MTA's I'm aware of are case insensitive, so sending email to 'foobar-list' or 'Foobar-list' will still go to the same list. You can always change the case of the list name on the administration page, but as far as your MTA goes, it _shouldn't_ matter. > > -- > H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 > http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From ashley at pcraft.com Thu Jan 10 07:42:10 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:42:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname - first letter capitalized References: <3C3D3019.70109@birddog.com> <3C3D3177.376CE7B5@pcraft.com> <3C3D343B.6010202@birddog.com> Message-ID: <3C3D37C2.F5BEF85F@pcraft.com> Terry Davis wrote: > Well, I am thinking more along the lines of cosmetics. When the person > receives an email the FROM would say Foobar-list at lists.domain.com versus > foobar-list at lists.domain.com. Myah, cosmetics. I suppose you could change Mailman/MailList.py. Look for the following: self.real_name = '%s%s' % (string.upper(self._internal_name[0]), self._internal_name[1:]) ...and change it to: self.real_name = '%s%s' % (self._internal_name[0], self._internal_name[1:]) Any new list created from that point on will all be lowercase. AMK4 PS: My first reply to this thread was returned with an error from mail.birddog.com -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 10 11:26:29 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:26:29 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman In-Reply-To: <3C3CAF09.10338.F0E33D@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110101830.02e2f080@pop.ftel.co.uk> I think this should be re-titled 'Mailman problem under 'secure' Linux kernels. I have seen this problem reported recently on this list by another user. While I do not run any 'secure' version of linux kernel, I think the problem results from restrictions on the creation of hard links under such kernels. My understanding is that in a attempt to prevent denial of service attacks based on disk quotas, there is a kernel patch which restricts who can create hard links: I believe the EUID of the link creator has to match the UID of the file owner. This explains why the error code is 1 (Operation not Permitted) rather than say 13 (Permission Denied). I do not know any way round the problem - maybe someone else does - other than not using this 'security' patch. At 20:58 09/01/2002 -0800, mburton at jo.birdsense.com wrote: >Hi folks, > >I am giving Mailman 2.8 a try again after about a couple years >away from it. It looks like it has matured quite a bit in that time >and I am excited to reevaluate it. I have installed it with very little >trouble on the surface. I have created a test list called BCtest >without problem and accessed the admin pages with no problems. >The problem comes in when I try to subscribe to the list. Any help >will be greatly appreciated. > >System - Linux Mandrake 7.2 >Kernel - 2.2.17-21mdksecure >Postfix version - not readily available (ok, I'm braindead after >working all day with Win2K issues ) >Apache version - 1.3.12 > >I am getting an error at the commad line level that reads: > >Security: denied hard link to 1015:509 for UID 99, EUID 99, >process python:22213 > >User ID 1015 is mailman >Group ID 509 is mailman >UID 99 is nobody (apache runs as user nobody) >EUID 99 is also nobody (again, this is what apache runs as) >---- >The traceback log contains the following: > >Jan 09 17:45:58 2002 admin(22099): >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >admin(22099): [----- Mailman >Version: 2.0.8 -----] >admin(22099): [----- Traceback ------] >admin(22099): Traceback >(most recent call last): >admin(22099): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in >run_main >admin(22099): main() >admin(22099): File >"../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 154, in main >admin(22099): ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc) >admin(22099): File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 899, in >ChangeOptions >admin(22099): digest, send_welcome_msg) >admin(22099): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line >1124, in ApprovedAddMembers >admin(22099): self.Save() >admin(22099): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line >857, in Save >admin(22099): self.__save(dict) >admin(22099): File >"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in __save >admin(22099): os.link(fname, fname_last) >admin(22099): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted >admin(22099): [----- Python Information -----] >admin(22099): sys.version = 2.2 (#1, Jan 9 2002, 06:41:05) >[GCC 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)] >admin(22099): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python >admin(22099): sys.prefix = /usr/local >admin(22099): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local >admin(22099): sys.path = /usr/local >admin(22099): sys.platform = linux2 >admin(22099): [----- Environment Variables -----] >admin(22099): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, >image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, >application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */* >admin(22099): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form- >urlencoded >admin(22099): HTTP_REFERER: >http://www.birdsense.com/mailman/admin/bctest/members >admin(22099): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) >admin(22099): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman >admin(22099): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin >admin(22099): SERVER_ADMIN: root at jo.birdsense.com >admin(22099): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin >admin(22099): SERVER_SIGNATURE: >
Apache/1.3.12 Server at www.birdsense.com Port >80
> >admin(22099): REQUEST_METHOD: POST >admin(22099): HTTP_HOST: www.birdsense.com >admin(22099): PATH_INFO: /bctest/members >admin(22099): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 >admin(22099): QUERY_STRING: >admin(22099): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/bctest/members >admin(22099): CONTENT_LENGTH: 102 >admin(22099): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; >MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) >admin(22099): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive >admin(22099): HTTP_COOKIE: >bctest:admin=280200000069eff13c3c7328000000666365376237333 >53661633337316561616532333230366461386438616164303639623 >065303063; birdclick=lastv0:978023299&lastv1:978023299&vpage:0 >admin(22099): SERVER_NAME: www.birdsense.com >admin(22099): REMOTE_ADDR: 10.10.10.2 >admin(22099): REMOTE_PORT: 1130 >admin(22099): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us >admin(22099): PATH_TRANSLATED: >/usr/local/apache/htdocs/bctest/members >admin(22099): SERVER_PORT: 80 >admin(22099): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 >admin(22099): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate >admin(22099): SERVER_ADDR: 64.24.214.247 >admin(22099): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Thu Jan 10 11:52:13 2002 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:52:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hierarchical mailing-lists? Message-ID: I didn't find that link by myself, sorry. I did not know anyway that that was called "Umbrella-list". Anyway, that's not what I want. I want exactly the same as what he says in this FAQ: an Umbrella-list who smartly identifies members belonging to multiple lists and doesn't send the same message twice. But, the script proposed is not enough dynamic for me. And I don't see any way to get it to do what I want exactly. What if a user goes on vacation, does he have to switch delivery off any single list he belongs to? > At 16:03 08/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: > >How? > > Why not look at > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp > > > > Why not building an umbrella list ? > > > > > > > I would like to have all members of various mailing-lists to be > > > > automatically subscribed to one mailing-list joining them all. > > > > > > > > In fact, I would like to send to all Unix admins of all my servers (at > > > > least one mailing-list per server) with one single list. > > > > > > > > Maybe I'm not taking the problem the right way. Tell me so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > This mail has been checked by exiscan. > > > To be safe, please scan the mail attachements with your local virus > > scanner ! > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > This mail has been checked by exiscan. > To be safe, please scan the mail attachements with your local virus scanner ! > From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Thu Jan 10 12:24:43 2002 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty listinfo Message-ID: I get an empty listinfo page. What may I have done wrong? At the beginning, it sometimes displayed some of the lists, but now, they're all gone. Thanks From subhasis at iopb.res.in Thu Jan 10 12:42:22 2002 From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:12:22 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] control over the the list member.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello to ALL I am new to mailman. I want to make a list where subscription is controled by a person. But a list member can change the options or even unsubscribe himself but no one can subscribe by himself by his own. Is it possible through mailman???? -- With Best Regards, Subhasis Mahapatra Institute Of Physics,BBSR. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 10 12:40:58 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:40:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hierarchical mailing-lists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110111804.03b71800@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 11:51 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: >I didn't find that link by myself, sorry. >I did not know anyway that that was called "Umbrella-list". > >Anyway, that's not what I want. >I want exactly the same as what he says in this FAQ: an Umbrella-list who >smartly identifies members belonging to multiple lists and doesn't send the >same message twice. As the FAQ says Umbrella list do not do that and there are good reasons for this being so, which is why it is so. When you have a moment analyse the logic required for the more general case, when the sub-lists of an umbrella list are not all lists maintained by a single mailman installation; what then is the general method to prevent multiple deliveries to any given message to each single user? Umbrella lists seek to deal with that more general case as best they can. If umbrella lists do not meet your need then I think you will find some recipes posted in the mailman-users archives for cron runnable scripts to generate and maintain consolidated superlists from the memberships of other lists. Such a script can eliminate posting duplications in the way you desire. I've forwarded to you under separate cover a post from Pug Bainter dated Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:07:14 -0500 which might get you started >But, the script proposed is not enough dynamic for me. And I don't see any >way >to get it to do what I want exactly. >What if a user goes on vacation, does he have to switch delivery off any >single >list he belongs to? Sorry but I've missed the point are you making with the reference to user vacation? > > At 16:03 08/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: > > >How? > > > > Why not look at > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp > > > > > > Why not building an umbrella list ? > > > > > > > > > I would like to have all members of various mailing-lists to be > > > > > automatically subscribed to one mailing-list joining them all. > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I would like to send to all Unix admins of all my > servers (at > > > > > least one mailing-list per server) with one single list. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I'm not taking the problem the right way. Tell me so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This mail has been checked by exiscan. > > > > To be safe, please scan the mail attachements with your local virus > > > scanner ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > > >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > This mail has been checked by exiscan. > > To be safe, please scan the mail attachements with your local virus > scanner ! > > From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 10 13:18:07 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:18:07 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty listinfo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110120649.03b71800@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 12:24 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: >I get an empty listinfo page. >What may I have done wrong? > >At the beginning, it sometimes displayed some of the lists, but now, they're >all gone. So, what have you changed recently? Assuming MM 2.0.X, factors affecting whether a list appears on listinfo (as opposed to admin) are: 1. the value of the list's 'advertised' option (the first one on the page) of the Privacy Options Section of the list's admin web GUI 2. the value of VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py. If this is set to true (usually 1) then you may be experiencing the effect of Mailman Virtual Host feature. In that case the address of the URL used to access listinfo is compared with the list's 'web_page_url' option (the last one of the General Options Section of the list's admin web GUI. If they do not match, the list is not added to the listinfo page returned. >Thanks > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 10 13:21:46 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] control over the the list member.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110121837.03bb8b78@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 17:12 10/01/2002 +0530, Subhasis Mahapatra wrote: >Hello to ALL > >I am new to mailman. >I want to make a list where subscription is controled by a person. But a >list member can change the options or even unsubscribe himself but no one >can subscribe by himself by his own. > >Is it possible through mailman???? Assuming you are using MM 2.0.X set the 'subscribe_policy' option of the Privacy Options Section of the list's admin web GUI to 'require approval' >-- >With Best Regards, >Subhasis Mahapatra >Institute Of Physics,BBSR. > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Thu Jan 10 13:27:05 2002 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:27:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hierarchical mailing-lists? Message-ID: > At 11:51 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: > >I didn't find that link by myself, sorry. > >I did not know anyway that that was called "Umbrella-list". > > > >Anyway, that's not what I want. > >I want exactly the same as what he says in this FAQ: an Umbrella-list who > >smartly identifies members belonging to multiple lists and doesn't send the > >same message twice. > > As the FAQ says Umbrella list do not do that and there are good reasons for > this being so, which is why it is so. When you have a moment analyse the > logic required for the more general case, when the sub-lists of an umbrella > list are not all lists maintained by a single mailman installation; what > then is the general method to prevent multiple deliveries to any given > message to each single user? Umbrella lists seek to deal with that more > general case as best they can. Oh, it's so sad. > > If umbrella lists do not meet your need then I think you will find some > recipes posted in the mailman-users archives for cron runnable scripts to > generate and maintain consolidated superlists from the memberships of other > lists. Such a script can eliminate posting duplications in the way you > desire. I've forwarded to you under separate cover a post from Pug Bainter > dated Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:07:14 -0500 which might get you started I will check that. > > >But, the script proposed is not enough dynamic for me. And I don't see any > >way > >to get it to do what I want exactly. > >What if a user goes on vacation, does he have to switch delivery off any > >single > >list he belongs to? > > Sorry but I've missed the point are you making with the reference to user > vacation? You can switch delivery off if you need. For example, if you go on vacation. With the script you pointed me to, the user would have to do it for each list, because that script only gets membership information, not individual. But maybe it is possible to also get such individual information (delivery options)? Thanks gratefully From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Thu Jan 10 13:31:42 2002 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:31:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty listinfo Message-ID: > At 12:24 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: > >I get an empty listinfo page. > >What may I have done wrong? > > > >At the beginning, it sometimes displayed some of the lists, but now, they're > >all gone. > > So, what have you changed recently? Just added lists. But it didn't work well (it appeared sometimes, sometimes not) since the very beginning. > > Assuming MM 2.0.X, factors affecting whether a list appears on listinfo (as > opposed to admin) are: > > 1. the value of the list's 'advertised' option (the first one on the page) > of the Privacy Options Section of the list's admin web GUI I first thought that was the problem. > > 2. the value of VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or > mm_cfg.py. If this is set to true (usually 1) then you may be experiencing > the effect of Mailman Virtual Host feature. In that case the address of the > URL used to access listinfo is compared with the list's 'web_page_url' > option (the last one of the General Options Section of the list's admin web > GUI. If they do not match, the list is not added to the listinfo page returned. How do disable this feature? I don't need it. By the way, could a web proxy change this? > > >Thanks > > From mburton at jo.birdsense.com Thu Jan 10 14:19:41 2002 From: mburton at jo.birdsense.com (Mike Burton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:19:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman under 'secure' Linux kernels In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110101830.02e2f080@pop.ftel.co.uk> References: <3C3CAF09.10338.F0E33D@localhost> Message-ID: <3C3D246D.18221.DF4FD@localhost> Thank you, Richard. This sounds like a reasonable answer to what is happening. I'm not sure that I want to reload Lunix to accomplish setting up Mailman. I certainly hope there is a workaround that someone can share. I also didn't mention that this was only through the web interface. I can use the mail interface to subscribe without incident. Oh well, guess I'll just have to sit back and see if there is an answer for this problem that comes forth. Otherwise I guess I'm just not going to be able to consider Mailman on my system. Bummer... Thanks again, Mike On 10 Jan 2002, at 10:26, Richard Barrett wrote: > I think this should be re-titled 'Mailman problem under 'secure' Linux > kernels. > > I have seen this problem reported recently on this list by another > user. > > While I do not run any 'secure' version of linux kernel, I think the > problem results from restrictions on the creation of hard links under > such kernels. My understanding is that in a attempt to prevent denial > of service attacks based on disk quotas, there is a kernel patch which > restricts who can create hard links: I believe the EUID of the link > creator has to match the UID of the file owner. This explains why the > error code is 1 (Operation not Permitted) rather than say 13 > (Permission Denied). > > I do not know any way round the problem - maybe someone else does - > other than not using this 'security' patch. From MGargett at comshare.com Thu Jan 10 15:22:38 2002 From: MGargett at comshare.com (Matt A. Gargett) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:22:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo-style email adding, without confirmation from end user? Message-ID: <30DD20CF1CE7C7438CD34E6187A0ABBD0A8731@AA-ES5.comshare.com> I have several lists that people sign up for from a webpage (not the mailman based webpage) within our Customer Support website. They click a checkbox next to a list, and an email is generated by the web server to that list subscribing them. This is the only interface for the users to subscribe or unsubscribe from these lists. I don't want the users to have to reply to an email confirming their subscription. Is there a way to do this? - Matt A. Gargett IT Support Comshare, Inc. From moseleymm at hank.org Thu Jan 10 15:28:14 2002 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:28:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20020108223419.0294df58@pop3.hank.org> References: <200201090430.UAA27635@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20020110062814.02732fe4@pop3.hank.org> Dan Mick hit me over the head and suggested strace, so full strace output can be seen at: http://hank.org/images/mailman.txt This all started after a reboot one day. I've run make install from the distribution directory again, just in case some file was missing, but that didn't change anything. Of course, I'm not clear what mailman is having trouble with. It stat's for /home/mailman/Mailman, finds it, then tries to open other files. /home/mailman/Mailman exists, so I'm not sure why it doesn't open it. At this point I'm just as interested to learn how debug and to fix (instead of just fixing it). stat("/home/mailman/Mailman", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1649, ...}) = 0 open("/home/mailman/Mailman.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/home/mailman/Mailmanmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/home/mailman/Mailman.py", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/home/mailman/Mailman.pyc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) ... -- Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 10 16:08:57 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:08:57 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty listinfo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110140740.03bd01c8@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 13:31 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: > > At 12:24 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: > > >I get an empty listinfo page. > > >What may I have done wrong? > > > > > >At the beginning, it sometimes displayed some of the lists, but now, > they're > > >all gone. > > > > So, what have you changed recently? >Just added lists. But it didn't work well (it appeared sometimes, sometimes >not) since the very beginning. > > > > Assuming MM 2.0.X, factors affecting whether a list appears on listinfo > (as > > opposed to admin) are: > > > > 1. the value of the list's 'advertised' option (the first one on the page) > > of the Privacy Options Section of the list's admin web GUI >I first thought that was the problem. > > > > 2. the value of VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or > > mm_cfg.py. If this is set to true (usually 1) then you may be experiencing > > the effect of Mailman Virtual Host feature. In that case the address of > the > > URL used to access listinfo is compared with the list's 'web_page_url' > > option (the last one of the General Options Section of the list's admin > web > > GUI. If they do not match, the list is not added to the listinfo page >returned. >How do disable this feature? I don't need it. Putting a line saying the following in your $prefix/mailman/mm_cfg.py file should do it: VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 >By the way, could a web proxy change this? I wouldn't expect it to but the address comparison is based on information obtained each time $prefix/Maillman/Cgi/listinfo.py is run as a cgi script. Some esoteric configurations might have an effect: for instance if you have a load balancing front end proxy server redirecting incoming requests to one of multiple back end servers which have different names where the browsers concerned do not include a Host: HTTP header. The code establishes the host name the request was made to as follows: 1. First preference is what the browser put in the Host: header of the request; if your browser is HTTP/1.1 compliant this header should be present and some HTTP/1.0 browsers also add it. 2. In the absence of a Host: header the second preference is what the HTTP Server put in the SERVER_NAME CGI environment variable. This will, hopefully, have come from an applicable ServerName directive in the Apache config file for the request being serviced. If you have failed to put a ServerName directive in httpd.conf then the SERVER_NAME is likely to be whatever is found with a gethostbyaddr lookup on the server's IP number which may or may not be the name that the browser machine (or possibly a proxy making the request on behalf of a brwoser) looked up to determine the IP number of the machine it was going to make the request too. 3. Otherwise, the contents of DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py is used. The code looks for the host name is has determined to be the same as the one in the list's 'web_page_url' parameter. If it is the list is added to the listinfo page. So it will all depend on what your browser does and your server's configuration and maybe on intermediate HTTP proxy servers. > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Thu Jan 10 16:22:47 2002 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:22:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Empty listinfo Message-ID: > At 13:31 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: > > > At 12:24 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: > > > >I get an empty listinfo page. > > > >What may I have done wrong? > > > > > > > >At the beginning, it sometimes displayed some of the lists, but now, > > they're > > > >all gone. > > > > > > So, what have you changed recently? > >Just added lists. But it didn't work well (it appeared sometimes, sometimes > >not) since the very beginning. > > > > > > Assuming MM 2.0.X, factors affecting whether a list appears on listinfo > > (as > > > opposed to admin) are: > > > > > > 1. the value of the list's 'advertised' option (the first one on the page) > > > of the Privacy Options Section of the list's admin web GUI > >I first thought that was the problem. > > > > > > 2. the value of VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or > > > mm_cfg.py. If this is set to true (usually 1) then you may be experiencing > > > the effect of Mailman Virtual Host feature. In that case the address of > > the > > > URL used to access listinfo is compared with the list's 'web_page_url' > > > option (the last one of the General Options Section of the list's admin > > web > > > GUI. If they do not match, the list is not added to the listinfo page > >returned. > >How do disable this feature? I don't need it. I've done it and it works fine, now. I can see all my public mailing-lists. It's really fine to find such competent people! Thanks a lot. From jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be Thu Jan 10 16:25:46 2002 From: jwarnier at mrbc.irisnet.be (Jerome Warnier) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:25:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from web interface Message-ID: Is there a mean to create new lists from a web interface? Even if not integrated with Mailman, I would be interested in. Thanks From mrh at ling.ohio-state.edu Thu Jan 10 16:38:17 2002 From: mrh at ling.ohio-state.edu (Matt Hyclak) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:38:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically Reject Non-Member Posts Message-ID: <20020110103817.B4689@ling.ohio-state.edu> I have a user that wants Mailman to silently remove non-member posts, i.e. not leave them for his approval. Is this possible with the current setup in 2.0.8 or will I have to hack something in to do it? Thanks in advance, Matt -- Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 10 16:53:49 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:53:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from web interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110155311.033d7618@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 16:25 10/01/2002 +0100, Jerome Warnier wrote: >Is there a mean to create new lists from a web interface? >Even if not integrated with Mailman, I would be interested in. Coming in Mailman 2.1 I believe but its only at alpha 4 release state at the moment. >Thanks > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From barry at zope.com Thu Jan 10 16:59:43 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:59:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman under 'secure' Linux kernels References: <3C3CAF09.10338.F0E33D@localhost> <3C3D246D.18221.DF4FD@localhost> Message-ID: <15421.47727.466118.279943@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "MB" == Mike Burton writes: MB> Thank you, Richard. This sounds like a reasonable answer to MB> what is happening. I'm not sure that I want to reload Lunix MB> to accomplish setting up Mailman. I certainly hope there is a MB> workaround that someone can share. I also didn't mention that MB> this was only through the web interface. I can use the mail MB> interface to subscribe without incident. Oh well, guess I'll MB> just have to sit back and see if there is an answer for this MB> problem that comes forth. Otherwise I guess I'm just not MB> going to be able to consider Mailman on my system. Bummer... Has README.LINUX not helped? 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Name: check_perms_grsecurity.py Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020110/a5ba5e26/attachment-0001.pot From jonc at haht.com Thu Jan 10 17:24:56 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically Reject Non-Member Posts References: <20020110103817.B4689@ling.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <005c01c199f3$576fec60$0b04010a@JCARNES> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Hyclak" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically Reject Non-Member Posts > I have a user that wants Mailman to silently remove non-member posts, i.e. > not leave them for his approval. Is this possible with the current setup in > 2.0.8 or will I have to hack something in to do it? > > Thanks in advance, > Matt > > -- > Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 10 17:25:28 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:25:28 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman under 'secure' Linux kernels In-Reply-To: <15421.47727.466118.279943@anthem.wooz.org> References: <3C3CAF09.10338.F0E33D@localhost> <3C3D246D.18221.DF4FD@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110161927.032936f0@pop.ftel.co.uk> Barry - thanks for bringing some rtfm to bear and sorry for wasting your time. MM 2.0.8 $build/README.LINUX reads as follows which seems define the problem and solution pretty clearly: ------------------------------------------------------------ Mailman - The GNU Mailing List Management System Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA GNU/LINUX ISSUES GNU/Linux seems to be the most popular platform on which to run Mailman, which really shouldn't be a big surprise. Here are some hints on getting Mailman to run on Linux: If you are running secure_linux, you probably have restricted hardlinks turned on. Gergely Madarasz says that this not only restricts hardlinks in /tmp, but also in any non +t directory. This can cause "Operation not permitted" errors in MailList.Save() -- you will see a traceback. You must turn restricted hardlinks off. This is also known under the name of Openwall Security Patches. There is a workaround for this problem, you can use securelinux_fix.py in the contrib directory (see the README.securelinux_fix.py). Note that the script will not work until you move it in your installed Mailman tree in the bin directory. ------------------------------------------------------------ At 10:59 10/01/2002 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "MB" == Mike Burton writes: > > MB> Thank you, Richard. This sounds like a reasonable answer to > MB> what is happening. I'm not sure that I want to reload Lunix > MB> to accomplish setting up Mailman. I certainly hope there is a > MB> workaround that someone can share. I also didn't mention that > MB> this was only through the web interface. I can use the mail > MB> interface to subscribe without incident. Oh well, guess I'll > MB> just have to sit back and see if there is an answer for this > MB> problem that comes forth. Otherwise I guess I'm just not > MB> going to be able to consider Mailman on my system. Bummer... > >Has README.LINUX not helped? I'm attaching a few files from Mailman >2.1 just in case they have more useful or up-to-date information. >The script itself is probably too MM2.1-centric, but it might be >useful so I'm including it for completeness. > >-Barry > >-------------------- snip snip -------------------- >Mailman - The GNU Mailing List Management System >Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. >59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA > > >GNU/LINUX ISSUES > > GNU/Linux seems to be the most popular platform on which to run > Mailman. Here are some hints on getting Mailman to run on Linux: > > If you are getting errors with hard link creations and/or you are using > a special secure kernel (securelinux/openwall/grsecurity), see > contrib/README.check_perms_grsecurity. > > Note that if you are using Linux Mandrake in secure mode, you are > probably > concerned by this. > > >Local Variables: >mode: text >indent-tabs-mode: nil >End: >The check_perms_grsecurity.py script, if copied in your installed >~mailman/bin/ directory and run from there will modify permissions of >files so that Mailman with extra restrictions imposed by linux kernel security >patches like securelinux/openwall in 2.2.x or grsecurity in 2.4.x > >The way it works is that it makes sure that the UID of any script that >touches config.pck is `mailman'. What this means however is that >scripts in ~mailman/bin will now only work if run as user mailman or >root (the script then changes its UID and GID to mailman). >To make grsecurity happy, we remove the group writeable bit on a directories >that contain binaries. > >Enjoy >Marc MERLIN / - 2001/12/10 >#! @PYTHON@ ># ># Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. ># ># This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or ># modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License ># as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 ># of the License, or (at your option) any later version. ># ># This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, ># but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of ># MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the ># GNU General Public License for more details. ># ># You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License ># along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software ># Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. > >"""Fixes for running Mailman under the `secure-linux' patch or grsecurity. > >Run check_perms -f and only then check_perms_grsecurity.py -f >Note that you will have to re-run this script after a mailman upgrade and >that check_perms will undo part of what this script does > >If you use Solar Designer's secure-linux patch, it prevents a process from >linking (hard link) to a file it doesn't own. >Grsecurity (http://grsecurity.net/) can have the same restriction depending >on how it was built, including other restrictions like preventing you to run >a program if it is located in a directory writable by a non root user. > >As a result Mailman has to be changed so that the whole tree is owned by >Mailman, and the CGIs and some of the programs in the bin tree (the ones >that lock config.pck files) are SUID Mailman. The idea is that config.pck >files have to be owned by the mailman UID and only touched by programs that >are UID mailman. >At the same time, We have to make sure that at least 3 directories under >~mailman aren't writable by mailman: mail, cgi-bin, and bin > >Binary commands that are changed to be SUID mailman are also made unreadable >and unrunnable by people who aren't in the mailman group. This shouldn't >affect much since most of those commands would fail work if you weren't part >of the mailman group anyway. >Scripts in ~mailman/bin/ are not made suid or sgid, they need to be run by >user mailman or root to work. > >Marc / >2000/10/27 - Initial version for secure_linux/openwall and mailman 2.0 >2001/12/09 - Updated version for grsecurity and mailman 2.1 >""" > >import sys >import os >import paths >import re >import glob >from Mailman import mm_cfg >from Mailman.mm_cfg import MAILMAN_UID, MAILMAN_GID >from stat import * > ># Directories that we don't want writable by mailman. >dirstochownroot= ( 'mail', 'cgi-bin', 'bin' ) > ># Those are the programs that we patch so that they insist being run under the ># mailman uid or as root. >binfilestopatch= ( 'add_members', 'change_pw', 'check_db', 'clone_member', > 'config_list', 'newlist', 'qrunner', 'remove_members', > 'rmlist', 'sync_members', 'update', 'withlist' ) > >def main(argv): > binpath = paths.prefix + '/bin/' > droplib = binpath + 'CheckFixUid.py' > > if len(argv) < 2 or argv[1] != "-f": > print __doc__ > sys.exit(1) > > print "Making select directories owned and writable by root only" > for dir in dirstochownroot: > dirpath = paths.prefix + '/' + dir > os.chown(dirpath, 0, MAILMAN_GID) > os.chmod(dirpath, 02755) > print dirpath > > print > > file = paths.prefix + '/data/last_mailman_version' > print "Making" + file + "owned by mailman (not root)" > os.chown(file, MAILMAN_UID, MAILMAN_GID) > print > > if not os.path.exists(droplib): > print "Creating " + droplib > fp = open(droplib, 'w', 0644) > fp.write("""import sys >import os >from Mailman.mm_cfg import MAILMAN_UID, MAILMAN_GID > >class CheckFixUid: > if os.geteuid() == 0: > os.setgid(MAILMAN_GID) > os.setuid(MAILMAN_UID) > if os.geteuid() != MAILMAN_UID: > print "You need to run this script as root or mailman because it > was configured to run" > print "on a linux system with a security patch which restricts > hard links" > sys.exit() >""") > fp.close() > else: > print "Skipping creation of " + droplib > > > print "\nMaking cgis setuid mailman" > cgis = glob.glob(paths.prefix + '/cgi-bin/*') > > for file in cgis: > print file > os.chown(file, MAILMAN_UID, MAILMAN_GID) > os.chmod(file, 06755) > > print "\nMaking mail wrapper setuid mailman" > file= paths.prefix + '/mail/wrapper' > os.chown(file, MAILMAN_UID, MAILMAN_GID) > os.chmod(file, 06755) > print file > > print "\nEnsuring that all config.db/pck files are owned by Mailman" > cdbs = glob.glob(paths.prefix + '/lists/*/config.db*') > cpcks = glob.glob(paths.prefix + '/lists/*/config.pck*') > > for file in cdbs + cpcks: > stat = os.stat(file) > if (stat[ST_UID] != MAILMAN_UID or stat[ST_GID] != MAILMAN_GID): > print file > os.chown(file, MAILMAN_UID, MAILMAN_GID) > > print "\nPatching mailman scripts to change the uid to mailman" > > for script in binfilestopatch: > filefd = open(script, "r") > file = filefd.readlines() > filefd.close() > > patched = 0 > try: > file.index("import CheckFixUid\n") > print "Not patching " + script + ", already patched" > except ValueError: > file.insert(file.index("import paths\n")+1, "import > CheckFixUid\n") > for i in range(len(file)-1, 0, -1): > object=re.compile("^([ ]*)main\(").search(file[i]) > # Special hack to support patching of update > object2=re.compile("^([ ]*).*=[ > ]*main\(").search(file[i]) > if object: > print "Patching " + script > file.insert(i, > object.group(1) + "CheckFixUid.CheckFixUid()\n") > patched=1 > break > if object2: > print "Patching " + script > file.insert(i, > object2.group(1) + "CheckFixUid.CheckFixUid()\n") > patched=1 > break > > if patched==0: > print "Warning, file "+script+" couldn't be patched." > print "If you use it, mailman may not function properly" > else: > filefd=open(script, "w") > filefd.writelines(file) > >main(sys.argv) From David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk Thu Jan 10 18:41:31 2002 From: David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk (David Osborne) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:41:31 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sharing a Mailman installation between two systems In-Reply-To: <20020103174233.A21348@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>; from David.Osborne@nottingham.ac.uk on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 05:42:33PM +0000 References: <20020103174233.A21348@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020110174131.C5026@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> Just for the record, if anyone's interested, I solved my problem by installing a full Mailman installation on the secondary system, then mounting just the lists and locks directories from the primary. The secondary could then see the lists it should be handling, but users could still use the web interface on the primary to update their subscriptions to those lists. There was a small problem of the qrunner lock files clashing on the two systems, which I fixed by getting the qrunner on the secondary system to append its hostname so the lockfile name was different. David On Thu, Jan 3 2002 at 17:42:33 +0000, David Osborne wrote > We've got two systems for serving our lists, with the more powerful > primary system sharing its Mailman installation via NFS with the less > powerful secondary. Under Mailman 1.0, this worked fine: I adjusted > aliases for the less important lists so they were processed on the > secondary system, taking load off the primary. > > Yesterday, I upgraded to Mailman 2.0.7 and with the change in the > method of queue running, the main system now does all the work -- the > secondary only does the initial handling of the injection of a message > into Mailman from the MTA (Exim 3.22), while the delivery of the > message to the subscribers for all the lists now takes place on the > primary. > > Is it possible to configure my two systems to work as they did under > MM 1.0 and share the load? -- David Osborne david.osborne at nottingham.ac.uk Academic Computing Services The University of Nottingham Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~cczdao/ From jerry at eepopp.org Thu Jan 10 18:41:54 2002 From: jerry at eepopp.org (jerry at eepopp.org) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:41:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] procmail recipes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020110174154.GB26892@cs.eepopp.org> Hi I'm looking for procmail recipes to use with mailman and mhonarc. I have looked at Mailmain Entry FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp in the FAQ there is this: >My entire setup except for the procmail recipes can be found here: >ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives/ I look for the procmail recipes at this site but they aren't there. Anybody know of another site that might have procmail recipes. Thanks From claw at kanga.nu Thu Jan 10 19:21:36 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:21:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] procmail recipes In-Reply-To: Message from jerry@eepopp.org of "Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:41:54 CST." <20020110174154.GB26892@cs.eepopp.org> References: <20020110174154.GB26892@cs.eepopp.org> Message-ID: <31147.1010686896@kanga.nu> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:41:54 -0600 jerry wrote: > I have looked at > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp > in the FAQ there is this: >> My entire setup except for the procmail recipes can be found >> here: ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives/ > I look for the procmail recipes at this site but they aren't > there. Yes, because they are system specific and entirely trivial. Example: :0 Whf | formail -z -R 'From ' X-Envelope-From: ...deletia... :0 * ^X-envelope-from: .*-admin at kanga.nu { ...deletia... :0 w: Lists/MUD-Dev-L/$LOCKEXT * ^Sender: *mud-dev-admin | rcvstore +Lists/MUD-Dev-L/archive ...deletia... } As mentioning in the FAQ entry I wrote above, I use MH folders for mailstores. I do this for a wide range of reasons most of which come down to personal preference (I actively dislike mbox) and ease of integration with other bits of my system. YMWV. > Anybody know of another site that might have procmail recipes. I suggest starting out by reading the procmail main pages. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From MikeT at scitechsoft.com Thu Jan 10 19:20:23 2002 From: MikeT at scitechsoft.com (MikeT at scitechsoft.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:20:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News Gateway Message-ID: <3C3D6AE7.5021.4D29B6@localhost> I am running Mailman 2.0.8 Every time I try to use the Mail-News and News-Mail gateways I get error messages. Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 78, in open_newsgroup r,c,f,l,n = conn.group(mlist.linked_newsgroup) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 260, in group resp = self.shortcmd('GROUP ' + name) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 210, in shortcmd return self.getresp() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 184, in getresp raise NNTPTemporaryError(resp) Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPTemporaryError: 480 Permission denied There are no items in $mailman/locks, The news server is open explicitly for this server to Read,Post Any help is greatly appreciated Thank You MikeT From dan at ssc.com Thu Jan 10 19:42:24 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:42:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] procmail recipes In-Reply-To: <31147.1010686896@kanga.nu> References: <20020110174154.GB26892@cs.eepopp.org> <31147.1010686896@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20020110104224.B18747@ssc.com> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:21:36AM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:41:54 -0600 > jerry wrote: > > > I have looked at > > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp > > > in the FAQ there is this: > > >> My entire setup except for the procmail recipes can be found > >> here: ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives/ > > > I look for the procmail recipes at this site but they aren't > > there. > > Yes, because they are system specific and entirely trivial. > Example: > > :0 Whf > | formail -z -R 'From ' X-Envelope-From: > ...deletia... > :0 > * ^X-envelope-from: .*-admin at kanga.nu > { > ...deletia... > :0 w: Lists/MUD-Dev-L/$LOCKEXT > * ^Sender: *mud-dev-admin > | rcvstore +Lists/MUD-Dev-L/archive > ...deletia... > } > > As mentioning in the FAQ entry I wrote above, I use MH folders for > mailstores. I do this for a wide range of reasons most of which > come down to personal preference (I actively dislike mbox) and > ease of integration with other bits of my system. YMWV. > > > Anybody know of another site that might have procmail recipes. > > I suggest starting out by reading the procmail main pages. Pay special attention to the quickstart notes at the end of man procmail and man procmailrc As always with Unix man pages, follow the references in each page to other man pages, until you find yourself retracing the same territory. A number of websites are referenced in the man pages. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From camel at lrllamas.com Thu Jan 10 20:09:01 2002 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm 2.0.8 & postfix memory usage Message-ID: <20020110190902.1F3958450@camel.lrllamas.com> I've noticed what seems to be a memory leak after upgrading to 2.0.8 and removing sendmail in favor of postfix. I'm running RH 7.2 enterprise version with KDE 2.2.2 etc etc. Anyone else seeing this? the used swap/background memory usage continues to grow slowly until MM/Postfix shuts down with an oom error. Does Kmail have a big leak? (if anyone knows) -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From tdavis at birddog.com Thu Jan 10 22:16:03 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:16:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp gateway | list to NNTP works but NNTP to list does not Message-ID: <3C3E0493.6060101@birddog.com> There is an option in the gateway setup that says: Should new posts to the newsgroup be sent to the mailing list? I have that marked as yes but I am not seeing new posts to the nntp group being shot over to the mailing list. What am I missing here? Thank you! -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From ptomblin at xcski.com Thu Jan 10 22:27:58 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:27:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] procmail recipes In-Reply-To: <20020110174154.GB26892@cs.eepopp.org>; from jerry@eepopp.org on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:41:54AM -0600 References: <20020110174154.GB26892@cs.eepopp.org> Message-ID: <20020110162758.A30392@allhats.xcski.com> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:41:54AM -0600, jerry at eepopp.org wrote: > Hi > > I'm looking for procmail recipes to use with mailman and mhonarc. I use "The Spambouncer" from Catherine Hampton. http://www.spambouncer.org/ I invoke it with the following in /etc/procmailrcs/mailman # Set up for Hampton's rules HOME=/usr/home/mailman SPAMFOLDER=${HOME}/Mail/spam BLOCKFOLDER=${HOME}/Mail/blocked CONTROL=${HOME}/Mail/control LOGFILE=${HOME}/Mail/log FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail SBDIR=/etc/mail/sb/ BLOCKREPLY=SILENT FREEMAIL=NONE NOLOOP=postmaster at xcski.com PATTERNMATCHING=SILENT SPAMREPLY=SILENT GLOBALNOBOUNCE=/etc/mail/sb/nobounce RBLCHECK=yes DULCHECK=yes INCLUDERC=$SBDIR/sb.rc :0 |/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN} -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody `And when you've been *plonk*ed by Simon C., you've been *plonked* by someone who knows when, and why, and how.' - Mike Andrews, asr From tdavis at birddog.com Thu Jan 10 23:44:33 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:44:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? Message-ID: <3C3E1951.1080705@birddog.com> I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list without a password. I understand this can be dangerous but this is a controlled list and my users are going to be sub-par as far as intelligence goes. I notice that when I do a mass subscribe, it auto-generates a password for every user, if I could make that blank somehow, that would rock. But would the password being blank mean there is no password? Thank you! -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From tdavis at birddog.com Fri Jan 11 00:02:17 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:02:17 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110145456.032097e0@mail.firewing.org> Message-ID: <3C3E1D79.80407@birddog.com> Michael Johnson (firewing) wrote: > If nothing else (security concerns aside), it'll alleviate confusion on > subscribers' part who often get frustrated when they don't realize (or > read the message they are sent or the information pages) that to unsub > they need their password. > > At 04:44 PM 1/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >> I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list without >> a password. I understand this can be dangerous but this is a >> controlled list and my users are going to be sub-par as far as >> intelligence goes. I notice that when I do a mass subscribe, it >> auto-generates a password for every user, if I could make that blank >> somehow, that would rock. But would the password being blank mean >> there is no password? >> >> Thank you! >> >> -- >> Terry Davis >> Systems Administrator >> BirdDog Solutions, Inc. >> (402) 829-6059 >> www.birddog.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > I agree, but that doesnt answer my question of how. :) Thank you -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From john at nisus.com Thu Jan 10 23:45:26 2002 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:45:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sendmail + mailman In-Reply-To: <20020108113926.B26933@geeklair.net> References: ; from john@nisus.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:02:58AM -0800 Message-ID: > At 2002-01-08 11:39:27 -0500 "Daniel J. Luke" wrote: >> On Tue, 2002 Jan 08 at 00:02:58 -0800, jgo wrote: >> Anyone know of likely things that could be going wrong, here? > > By default, sendmail on OS X doesn't use the alias file (it uses NetInfo). > > Either modify your sendmail.cf file to use the alias file, It says it's using /etc/mail/aliases but... > or put your aliases into the /alias directory of netinfo -- > > Here's an example: > % niutil -read . /aliases/foo > name: foo > members: "|/path/to/bar.pl" Yes! That was a significant step. I looked at the niutil man page, but ended up just adding them in via the NetInfo GUI since there were just a few. Now, it complains: smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs and I do recall mention of smrsh, but ignored it after not seeing smrsh anywhere (using sudo find / ...) at the time. >> Oh, and one other thing. For some unknown reason, the permissions on some >> of the /etc files/directories keeps changing back to allow group write! >> ...is there any reason this should happen? >> >> Mac OS X 10.1.2 >> Mailman 2.0.7 > > Sometimes Installer.app packages stomp over permissions on your > filesystem (for example, every time I install an OS update from > Apple, I have to fix the permissions on / on my machine). Sounds like a reasonable explanation. I had done a sw update from Apple each time before it did that. John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From john at nisus.com Fri Jan 11 01:08:24 2002 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:08:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh Message-ID: There have been a number of questions on this... and answers, but I don't quite see an answer that works... yet. I'm getting the dreaded smrsh error. smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 "|/Users/mailman/Documents/mailman/bin/mail/wrapper post third"... Service unavailable When I do a grep smrsh /etc/mail/sendmail.cf I get ##### $ld: smrsh.m4,v 1.1.1.3 2000/06/10 00:40:36 wsanchez Exp $ ##### Mprog, P=/usr/libexec/smrsh, F=lsDFMoqeu9, S=EnfFromL/HdrFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, D=$z:/, A=smrsh -c $u and I don't see an /etc/mail/sendmail.mc or /etc/sendmail.mc I don't have a directory named /etc/smrsh or /etc/mail/smrsh or /private/etc/smrsh or /private/etc/mail/smrsh sudo mkdir /etc/mail/smrsh cd /etc/mail/smrsh sudo ln -s /Users/mailman/Documents/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper doesn't result in any change. When I do sudo find / -name smrsh -print I get only /usr/libexec/smrsh When I do sudo strings -a /usr/libexec/smrsh | egrep /etc I get nothing. These I found in my sub-set of the archives, trimmed a bit. Perhaps we could collect the set of solutions and add an entry to: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Jon Carnes" 2001-10-15 16:37:08 -0400 wrote: Be sure that the path to "wrapper" is correct (~mailman/mail/wrapper), and that you have a link to that file in your /etc/smrsh directory (if you use Sendmail and have smrsh turned on). Jon Carnes 2001-10-26 14:45:01 -0400 wrote: Smrsh is used by Sendmail to specify exactly which scripts that Sendmail is allowed to run. Sendmail will only run scripts that have a link in /etc/smrsh David Pierron 2001-10-26 15:13:18 -0400 wrote: Yeah, it's a sendmail thing... creating a sym link to it from wrapper fixes it... Graham Dunn 2001-11-06 10:21:42 -0500 wrote: Thank you, it is already there. [root at ns root]# ls -l /etc/smrsh total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Nov 6 08:20 mailman_wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Feb 1 2001 vacation -> /usr/bin/vacation* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Nov 5 15:14 wrapper -> /usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper* [root at ns root]# Albert E. Whale 2001-11-06 10:35:19 -0500 wrote: Arrgh! Sendmail 8.12.1 moved smrsh to /usr/adm/sm.bin. Jonas Meurer 2001-11-13 22:38:31 +0100 wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 10:11:45PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote: > In README-SENDMAIL there stands that I have to make a symlink in /etc/smrsh, > but there is no directory /etc/smrsh. I use Debian GNU/Linux. Which > directory is equal to /etc/smrsh, or in which directory do I have to > make the symlink? Ok, I've found the directory. It was /usr/lib/sm.bin/. Jon Carnes 2001-11-26 17:39:56 -0500 wrote: Looks like a smrsh problem. You need to create a link from /home/mailman/mail/wrapper to the smrsh directory. Agustina Buccella 2001-11-30 09:04:44 -0400 wrote: I installed mailman in Suse 7.1 with sendmail 8.10.2. When I confirm my subscription to my "probandolista" list I get the following mail delivery: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd probandolista"... Service unavailable I configured the /etc/mail/aliases with the following options: probandolista: "|/usr/mailman/mail/wrapper post probandolista" ... and the /etc/smrsh directory: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Nov 28 15:40 wrapper -> /usr/mailman/mail/wrapper* Dan Wilder 2001-11-30 08:36:36 -0800 wrote: The Python.org website has a mailing list search engine which nets 270 hits on "smrsh", mostly to mailman-users. The first says: > Try putting a symlink in your /etc/smrsh directory pointing to wrapper: > cd /etc/smrsh > ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper David R. Johnson 2001-12-03 16:07:32 wrote: smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd lug"... Service unavailable what is going wrong here? i already created the symbolic link from /usr/sbin/smrsh cd /usr/sbin/smrsh ln -s /var/www/html/mailman/mail/wrapper and restarted the sendmail service. What have i not done? Michael Lynn 2001-12-04 18:02:19 -0500 wrote: /usr/sbin/smrsh is an executable... you probably wanted to cd /etc/smrsh before symbolically linking. Bernd Zimmermann 2001-12-05 09:22:24 +0100 wrote: When I disable smrsh in sendmail all works fine, but with smrsh I got a "local configuration error" mail from sendmail. In sendmail.mc smrsh is activated: FEATURE(smrsh, `/usr/lib/sm.bin/smrsh')dnl In /usr/lib/sm.bin/smrsh the link to wrapper is created like the installation maual requires but it dont work. I am using debian. In the INSTALL file is written not to use /usr/lib/sm.bin because it is an error in debain. Instead one should use /usr/admin/sm.bin, but this dont work at all - because of config in sendmail.mc. Michael Lynn 2001-12-05 22:54:41 -0500 wrote: In /etc/mail/sendmail.mc you should have: FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh')dnl #(your smrsh may be installed in another dir) This feature enables sendmail to use sendmail restricted shell. Sendmail simply references the FEATURE value when attempting to execute programs in the aliases. First, let's check where your smrsh is located ... using find or which. it should be in the directory referenced above in the sendmail.mc file. If it's not there then modify the FEATURE statement to point to the location. ---snip [root at phaedrus mail]# cd / [root at phaedrus /]# find . -name smrsh -print ./etc/smrsh ./usr/sbin/smrsh ---snip The first directory is the working directory... the second is the executable. Like I said before - yours may be different so execute the find and see where they are for you. When you have smrsh enabled in sendmail.mc - you should then link the wrapper to mailman thusly: ---snip [root at phaedrus mail]# ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper [root at phaedrus mail]# ls -l /etc/smrsh total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Nov 30 13:11 wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper ---snip make sure you replace /home/mailman/mail/wrapper with the path to your actual wrapper. This worked for me - I hope it works for you. Regarding the fact that the INSTALL on debian has a problem - I cannot help you there - I am using RedHat. It really should not matter however, once you locate the two things you need - the smrsh working directory and the actual shell executable (smrsh) - then put the reference to the executable into the sendmail.mc. Skip Montanaro 2001-12-10 23:52:49 -0600 wrote: /usr/sbin/smrsh was compiled with /etc/smrsh as its CMDDIR, verified with the strings command: # strings -a /usr/sbin/smrsh | egrep /etc /etc/smrsh /etc/smrsh contains a link to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: # ls -l /etc/smrsh/wrapper lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Mar 14 2001 /etc/smrsh/wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper* which, when dereferenced, seems fine to me: # ls -lL /etc/smrsh/wrapper -rwxr-sr-x 1 skip mailman 39212 Dec 10 13:41 /etc/smrsh/wrapper* Albert E. Whale 2001-12-11 10:37:11 -0500 wrote; Ran into the same problem myself. The difference you are reporting is the wrapper program in /etc/smrsh and in /home/mailman/mail/. It's difficult to maintain separate copies or to update the copies as necessary. You should change the /etc/smrsh/wrapper entry into a Logical link in /home/mailman/mail/wrapper. That way when you update the /home/mailman/mail/wrapper program the same happens in the /etc/smrsh/wrapper. Albert E. Whale 2001-12-11 10:42:23 -0500 wrote: One more thing that I forgot to mention earlier, Sendmail 8.12.1 and smrsh also use the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory. I am not certain, but this may be in place of the /etc/smrsh directory. Skip Montanaro 2001-12-11 10:02:05 -0600 wrote: Albert> You should change the /etc/smrsh/wrapper entry into a Logical Albert> link in /home/mailman/mail/wrapper... Albert> One more thing that I forgot to mention earlier, Sendmail 8.12.1 Albert> and smrsh also use the /usr/adm/sm.bin directory. Thanks for the suggestions, however, smsrh was compiled with /etc/smrsh as the link directory and /etc/smrsh/wrapper is a symlink to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper already. Michael B. Weiner 2001-12-20 00:14:19 -0500 wrote: as for the mta and smrsh, here is what i found in /etc/smrsh: 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 4 09:31 slocal -> /usr/lib/nmh/slocal* 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Dec 18 21:27 wrapper -> /var/mailman/mail/wrapper* and i checked and the local entries were indeed in /etc/mail/access but found this in the /etc/sendmail.cf Mprog, P=/usr/sbin/smrsh, John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From me at RichRamos.com Fri Jan 11 01:21:20 2002 From: me at RichRamos.com (Rich Ramos) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:21:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: sendmail + mailman In-Reply-To: References: ; from john@nisus.comon Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:02:58AM -0800 Message-ID: <6248152.1010686880@[0.0.0.0]> >> By default, sendmail on OS X doesn't use the alias file (it uses NetInfo). >> >> Either modify your sendmail.cf file to use the alias file, > > It says it's using /etc/mail/aliases but... > >> or put your aliases into the /alias directory of netinfo -- >> >> Here's an example: >> % niutil -read . /aliases/foo >> name: foo >> members: "|/path/to/bar.pl" > > Yes! That was a significant step. I looked at the niutil man page, > but ended up just adding them in via the NetInfo GUI since there > were just a few. My system seems to work differently than jgo's. My system uses NetInfo by default, but if I uncomment the line in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf to use the file /etc/mail/aliases, it then uses BOTH NetInfo and /etc/mail/aliases. Is this the expected behavior? (it doesn't seem to be the way it's working on jgo's system based on his posts) -Rich -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020110/41ea1deb/attachment.pgp From bob at nleaudio.com Fri Jan 11 03:14:12 2002 From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:14:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? References: Message-ID: <3C3E4A74.3DFBCBFC@nleaudio.com> Check out http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm Bob From tdavis at birddog.com Fri Jan 11 03:11:20 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:11:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp gateway | list to NNTP works but NNTP to list does not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1010715080.3c3e49c84620f@secure.birddog.com> ummm, its in the administration pages in the news mail gateway section. -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 Quoting Justin Zygmont : > hi, where did you setup that option? > > > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Terry Davis wrote: > > > There is an option in the gateway setup that says: > > Should new posts to the newsgroup be sent to the mailing list? > > > > I have that marked as yes but I am not seeing new posts to the nntp > > group being shot over to the mailing list. What am I missing here? > > > > Thank you! > > > > -- > > Terry Davis > > Systems Administrator > > BirdDog Solutions, Inc. > > (402) 829-6059 > > www.birddog.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Fri Jan 11 03:40:53 2002 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:40:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman Message-ID: <200201110241.SAA09955@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Hmm. It looks as though the from Mailman import won't work as expected (i.e. "use the module search path to look for a path named Mailman and look for in there") unless Mailman contains __init__.py. Does it? (It can be empty, but it must exist). (The "import" documentation is shady at best.) > Dan Mick hit me over the head and suggested strace, so full strace output > can be seen at: > > http://hank.org/images/mailman.txt > > This all started after a reboot one day. I've run make install from the > distribution directory again, just in case some file was missing, but that > didn't change anything. > > Of course, I'm not clear what mailman is having trouble with. It stat's > for /home/mailman/Mailman, finds it, then tries to open other files. > /home/mailman/Mailman exists, so I'm not sure why it doesn't open it. > > At this point I'm just as interested to learn how debug and to fix (instead > of just fixing it). > > stat("/home/mailman/Mailman", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1649, ...}) = 0 > open("/home/mailman/Mailman.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > open("/home/mailman/Mailmanmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file > or directory) > open("/home/mailman/Mailman.py", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > open("/home/mailman/Mailman.pyc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > directory) > ... > > > > > -- > Bill Moseley > mailto:moseley at hank.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From mburton at jo.birdsense.com Fri Jan 11 03:41:42 2002 From: mburton at jo.birdsense.com (Mike Burton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:41:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman under 'secure' Linux kernels In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110161927.032936f0@pop.ftel.co.uk> References: <15421.47727.466118.279943@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <3C3DE066.15546.3CAD4B@localhost> Oops... Thanks... I suppose some more research was due on my end. Not a good excuse, but I already attested to being brain-dead after a gruelling day of working as a NT4/Win2K admin. We are migrating from to Win2K and it's a nightmare. I really would rather be working in a Posix environment any day. My most sincere apologies for wasting your time gentlemen. BTW, that fixed the problem sure enough... Thanks again. Take care, Mike On 10 Jan 2002, at 16:25, Richard Barrett wrote: > Barry - thanks for bringing some rtfm to bear and sorry for wasting > your time. [BIG CLIP] From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Fri Jan 11 03:50:46 2002 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:50:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman Message-ID: <200201110250.SAA10392@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Indeed: from http://www.python.org/doc/essays/packages.html: (note particularly the first parenthetical comment): What If I Have a Module and a Package With The Same Name? You may have a directory (on sys.path) which has both a module spam.py and a subdirectory spam that contains an __init__.py (without the __init__.py, a directory is not recognized as a package). In this case, the subdirectory has precedence, and importing spam will ignore the spam.py file, loading the package spam instead. If you want the module spam.py to have precedence, it must be placed in a directory that comes earlier in sys.path. (Tip: the search order is determined by the list of suffixes returned by the function imp.get_suffixes(). Usually the suffixes are searched in the following order: ".so", "module.so", ".py", ".pyc". Directories don't explicitly occur in this list, but precede all entries in it.) > Hmm. It looks as though the > > from Mailman import > > won't work as expected (i.e. "use the module search path to look for > a path named Mailman and look for in there") unless > Mailman contains __init__.py. Does it? (It can be empty, but it > must exist). > > (The "import" documentation is shady at best.) > > > Dan Mick hit me over the head and suggested strace, so full strace output > > can be seen at: > > > > http://hank.org/images/mailman.txt > > > > This all started after a reboot one day. I've run make install from the > > distribution directory again, just in case some file was missing, but that > > didn't change anything. > > > > Of course, I'm not clear what mailman is having trouble with. It stat's > > for /home/mailman/Mailman, finds it, then tries to open other files. > > /home/mailman/Mailman exists, so I'm not sure why it doesn't open it. > > > > At this point I'm just as interested to learn how debug and to fix (instead > > of just fixing it). > > > > stat("/home/mailman/Mailman", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1649, ...}) = 0 > > open("/home/mailman/Mailman.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > > directory) > > open("/home/mailman/Mailmanmodule.so", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file > > or directory) > > open("/home/mailman/Mailman.py", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > > directory) > > open("/home/mailman/Mailman.pyc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or > > directory) > > ... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bill Moseley > > mailto:moseley at hank.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From autosort at subdimension.com Fri Jan 11 05:49:39 2002 From: autosort at subdimension.com (Ben Franske) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:49:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <000a01c19a5b$607b2870$6901a8c0@btoshiba> I'm trying to install Mailman on a Linux Mandrake box. When I attempt to run ./configure I get the error: bash: ./configure: bad interpreter: No such file or directory I've checked and on this box /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash It's been a long time since I did much on a **ix (Irix last time hehe) box and it could certainly be something really stupid I forgot about. In any event any help anyone can offer is appreciated much! --Ben Franske CCNA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020110/703e4fe3/attachment.htm From autosort at subdimension.com Fri Jan 11 05:57:57 2002 From: autosort at subdimension.com (Ben Franske) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:57:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ./configure error Message-ID: <001101c19a5c$89ce1e20$6901a8c0@btoshiba> I'm trying to install Mailman on a Linux Mandrake box. When I attempt to run ./configure I get the error: bash: ./configure: bad interpreter: No such file or directory I've checked and on this box /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash It's been a long time since I did much on a **ix (Irix last time hehe) box and it could certainly be something really stupid I forgot about. In any event any help anyone can offer is appreciated much! --Ben Franske CCNA From barry at zope.com Fri Jan 11 07:09:00 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Once again, fame and fortune can be yours Message-ID: <15422.33148.232474.736964@anthem.wooz.org> A few years ago we ran a Mailman logo contest, had quite a few very good submissions, and eventually chose a logo by The Dragon De Monsyne. Now with the advent of favicons I'd like to run another mini-contest. I admit shameful jealousy in seeing more and more cool favicons in my Mozilla tabs, and I want one for Mailman too. Of course, I'm a musician[1] not an artist, so I need your help. I sort of think it ought to be a play on the circle in the cancellation mark logo. Maybe with the words "MAIL LIST" replaced with "Mailman" (bonus to get the "GNU" in there). But hey, feel free to ignore me as much as I ignore my lead singer when he suggests bass parts. :) I don't want to stiffle anyone's creativity! One caveat: please assign copyright to the FSF if we accept your logo. Enjoy, -Barry [1] Don't worry, you all will be forced to buy several copies of my new CD "The Mailman Never Delivers Twice" on my self-owned label Pumpichank Records, when it's released later this year. It'll include the sure-to-be-top-10 Mailman theme song, "Is That A Python In Your Pocket (Or Are You Just Glad To Hack Me)?". From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Fri Jan 11 07:08:22 2002 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:08:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ./configure error In-Reply-To: <001101c19a5c$89ce1e20$6901a8c0@btoshiba> Message-ID: it is looking for python in a different directory, you must check the path it is looking for to see. I just made a symbolic link to fix that. On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Ben Franske wrote: > I'm trying to install Mailman on a Linux Mandrake box. When I attempt to > run ./configure I get the error: > bash: ./configure: bad interpreter: No such file or directory > I've checked and on this box /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash It's been > a long time since I did much on a **ix (Irix last time hehe) box and it > could certainly be something really stupid I forgot about. In any event > any help anyone can offer is appreciated much! > > --Ben Franske > CCNA > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Fri Jan 11 07:55:34 2002 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:55:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions Message-ID: when I get to the 'make install' step everythink looks fine except for this last part: Upgrading from version 0x0 to 0x20008f0 no lists == nothing to do, exiting Please let me know if this is still ok, or I have midded something. I cannot get meail man to work and i've tried several times. I just want to verify this to make sure i'm getting it right, --with-mail-gid should be the GID of 'DefaultUser' in /etc/sendmail.cf? the DefaultUser is 'mail' and it's GID is 12 thanks.. From ptomblin at xcski.com Fri Jan 11 13:36:32 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:36:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Once again, fame and fortune can be yours In-Reply-To: <15422.33148.232474.736964@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@zope.com on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:09:00AM -0500 References: <15422.33148.232474.736964@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20020111073632.C4704@allhats.xcski.com> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:09:00AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > Of course, I'm a musician[1] not an artist, so I need your help. God knows there's nothing artistic about playing music. Especially bass. > I sort of think it ought to be a play on the circle in the > cancellation mark logo. Maybe with the words "MAIL LIST" replaced > with "Mailman" (bonus to get the "GNU" in there). But hey, feel free > to ignore me as much as I ignore my lead singer when he suggests bass > parts. :) I don't want to stiffle anyone's creativity! Remember that the favicon.ico has to be really tiny. I forgot the exact dimensions, but you can pretty much forget about intelligible words. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody Illiterate? Write for help! From tdavis at birddog.com Fri Jan 11 16:51:57 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:51:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions References: Message-ID: <3C3F0A1D.5010204@birddog.com> are you upgrading your mailman or is it a new install ? Justin Zygmont wrote: > when I get to the 'make install' step everythink looks fine except for > this last part: > > Upgrading from version 0x0 to 0x20008f0 > no lists == nothing to do, exiting > > Please let me know if this is still ok, or I have midded something. I > cannot get meail man to work and i've tried several times. > > > I just want to verify this to make sure i'm getting it right, > --with-mail-gid should be the GID of 'DefaultUser' in /etc/sendmail.cf? > the DefaultUser is 'mail' and it's GID is 12 > > thanks.. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From dan at ssc.com Fri Jan 11 17:01:45 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:01:45 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Once again, fame and fortune can be yours In-Reply-To: <20020111073632.C4704@allhats.xcski.com> References: <15422.33148.232474.736964@anthem.wooz.org> <20020111073632.C4704@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: <20020111080145.E14988@ssc.com> On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 07:36:32AM -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:09:00AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > Of course, I'm a musician[1] not an artist, so I need your help. > > God knows there's nothing artistic about playing music. Especially bass. > > > I sort of think it ought to be a play on the circle in the > > cancellation mark logo. Maybe with the words "MAIL LIST" replaced > > with "Mailman" (bonus to get the "GNU" in there). But hey, feel free > > to ignore me as much as I ignore my lead singer when he suggests bass > > parts. :) I don't want to stiffle anyone's creativity! > > Remember that the favicon.ico has to be really tiny. I forgot the exact > dimensions, but you can pretty much forget about intelligible words. 16x16 pixels. We were just barely able to get an "LJ" logo on linuxjournal.com. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From barry at zope.com Fri Jan 11 17:52:52 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:52:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman References: <200201110241.SAA09955@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <15423.6244.512974.951910@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick writes: DM> Hmm. It looks as though the DM> from Mailman import DM> won't work as expected (i.e. "use the module search path to DM> look for a path named Mailman and look for in there") DM> unless Mailman contains __init__.py. Does it? (It can be DM> empty, but it must exist). DM> (The "import" documentation is shady at best.) That usually happens if the install was broken or you're trying to run Mailman out of the unpack directory instead of the install directory. Mailman has to "path-hack" to get all the right stuff onto sys.path, which is why "make install" creates a paths.py file and Mailman always imports that before any other Mailman specific modules. (Note that "import paths" doesn't have to be in every file.) -Barry From moseleymm at hank.org Fri Jan 11 18:06:21 2002 From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:06:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman In-Reply-To: <15423.6244.512974.951910@anthem.wooz.org> References: <200201110241.SAA09955@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20020111090621.02f5415c@pop3.hank.org> At 11:52 AM 01/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >That usually happens if the install was broken or you're trying to run >Mailman out of the unpack directory instead of the install directory. Hi Barry, I assume the install is broken, but I'm trying to find out what exactly is broken. >Mailman has to "path-hack" to get all the right stuff onto sys.path, >which is why "make install" creates a paths.py file and Mailman always >imports that before any other Mailman specific modules. (Note that >"import paths" doesn't have to be in every file.) The installation had been working perfectly. I can't really remember exactly what happened. I can't remember if I had a drive error, rebooted and then cron started reporting the Mailman error, or if it all stared with the Mailman error. Regardless, I'm trying to understand what exactly is broken. I've run make install again, hoping to replace any files that might have been removed when I ran e2fsck. So what should I look for? I could just reinstall from scratch, but I'd like to be able to understand the problem in case it ever pops up again. Thanks, -- Bill Moseley mailto:moseley at hank.org From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Fri Jan 11 19:44:53 2002 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:44:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions In-Reply-To: <3C3F0A1D.5010204@birddog.com> Message-ID: this is a new install, straight from tar.gz and it still doesn't create the wrapper program and who knows what else. On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Terry Davis wrote: > are you upgrading your mailman or is it a new install ? > > Justin Zygmont wrote: > > > when I get to the 'make install' step everythink looks fine except for > > this last part: > > > > Upgrading from version 0x0 to 0x20008f0 > > no lists == nothing to do, exiting > > > > Please let me know if this is still ok, or I have midded something. I > > cannot get meail man to work and i've tried several times. > > > > > > I just want to verify this to make sure i'm getting it right, > > --with-mail-gid should be the GID of 'DefaultUser' in /etc/sendmail.cf? > > the DefaultUser is 'mail' and it's GID is 12 > > > > thanks.. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > From benny at bennyvision.com Fri Jan 11 20:33:09 2002 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:33:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Justin Zygmont wrote: > this is a new install, straight from tar.gz and it still doesn't create > the wrapper program and who knows what else. Time to see _exactly_ what's happening... Could you use 'script' to document the steps (and all output) you're taking from tarball, right up to where you do an 'ls -l' and don't see a 'wrapper'? Ie, the untarring, the build, and everything. Something isn't quite logical here. Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. --Rules of the Air, #8 From tdavis at birddog.com Fri Jan 11 21:12:28 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:12:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110145456.032097e0@mail.firewing.org> Message-ID: <3C3F472C.6070506@birddog.com> Anyone have an answer for me here? Here is my original question: I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list without a password. How can I setup a list this way? Michael Johnson (firewing) wrote: > If nothing else (security concerns aside), it'll alleviate confusion on > subscribers' part who often get frustrated when they don't realize (or > read the message they are sent or the information pages) that to unsub > they need their password. > > At 04:44 PM 1/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >> I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list without >> a password. I understand this can be dangerous but this is a >> controlled list and my users are going to be sub-par as far as >> intelligence goes. I notice that when I do a mass subscribe, it >> auto-generates a password for every user, if I could make that blank >> somehow, that would rock. But would the password being blank mean >> there is no password? >> >> Thank you! >> >> -- >> Terry Davis >> Systems Administrator >> BirdDog Solutions, Inc. >> (402) 829-6059 >> www.birddog.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From tdavis at birddog.com Fri Jan 11 21:28:19 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:28:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? References: Message-ID: <3C3F4AE3.9040301@birddog.com> Hrm, ya and you cant even specify a blank password when subscribing, that makes things harder. Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org wrote: > unfortunately, i don't have an answer to that one yet...i'm looking > though...and trying to do something similar. Most of the users on my > list fall into the computer illiterate category too... > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: tdavis [mailto:tdavis at birddog.com] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:12 PM > To: mailman-users > Cc: tdavis > Subject: FW: Re: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? > > > Anyone have an answer for me here? Here is my original question: > I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list without a > > password. How can I setup a list this way? > > > > Michael Johnson (firewing) wrote: > > >>If nothing else (security concerns aside), it'll alleviate confusion >> > on > >>subscribers' part who often get frustrated when they don't realize (or >> > >>read the message they are sent or the information pages) that to unsub >> > >>they need their password. >> >>At 04:44 PM 1/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >>>I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list >>> > without > >>>a password. I understand this can be dangerous but this is a >>>controlled list and my users are going to be sub-par as far as >>>intelligence goes. I notice that when I do a mass subscribe, it >>>auto-generates a password for every user, if I could make that blank >>>somehow, that would rock. But would the password being blank mean >>>there is no password? >>> >>>Thank you! >>> >>>-- >>>Terry Davis >>>Systems Administrator >>>BirdDog Solutions, Inc. >>>(402) 829-6059 >>>www.birddog.com >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------ >>>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > From tdavis at birddog.com Fri Jan 11 21:47:20 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:47:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp gateway | list to NNTP works but NNTP to list does not Message-ID: <3C3F4F58.60002@birddog.com> My question was, I want to keep a newsgroup and a list in sync. I am seeing that when a post is made to the list, the mailman updates the newsgroup, but if a new post is made to the newsgroup, the list is NOT updated. What am I missing? Thank you all for your patience with me. Terry >ummm, its in the administration pages in the news mail gateway section. >-- >Terry Davis >Systems Administrator >BirdDog Solutions, Inc. >(402) 829-6059 >Quoting Justin Zygmont : > hi, where did you setup that option? > > > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Terry Davis wrote: > > > There is an option in the gateway setup that says: > > Should new posts to the newsgroup be sent to the mailing list? > > > > I have that marked as yes but I am not seeing new posts to the nntp > > group being shot over to the mailing list. What am I missing here? > > > > Thank you! > > > > -- > > Terry Davis > > Systems Administrator > > BirdDog Solutions, Inc. > > (402) 829-6059 > > www.birddog.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Fri Jan 11 22:54:02 2002 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:54:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how can i delete messages... Message-ID: <20020111215402.30295.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there!!!! how can i delete messages hold to approval whitout the graphical interface? ... I have a lot of messages of a person who isn?t included in a list and he tried to post a message as you can imagine i want to delete avoiding the gui. Thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From zse at sch.bme.hu Thu Jan 10 10:56:41 2002 From: zse at sch.bme.hu (Zse) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:56:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman lost list passwd Message-ID: <001801c199bd$2c387250$86d74298@relax> Hi! What can I do, if I lost my mailman list password? how can I change it? Thx Tamas ps: plz Cc in private, I'm not on your list - yet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020110/9607baff/attachment.html From Steve.Ader at alcoa.com Thu Jan 10 17:35:00 2002 From: Steve.Ader at alcoa.com (Ader, Steve) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:35:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does this feature exist? Message-ID: I am setting up my first two Mailman discussion lists (these are both Private Lists) and wanted to know if the feature exists to ask for the subscribers name when I'm asking for their email address? Where can I find the answer. Steve Ader From ppag at internet.gr Fri Jan 11 13:26:32 2002 From: ppag at internet.gr (Paschalis Pagonidis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:26:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Mailman's bug Message-ID: Dear developers, There are 2 weeks since I'm trying to fix a bug in Mailman. The ISP I work for, has some mailing lists, managed by Mailman, and most of subscribers, are sending mails through Windows (especially M$ Outlook). As known, Outlook sends every e-mail using multipart e-mail format, something that Mailman doesn't manage well. The bug is that when MaiLman tries to put a header & footer to the message's body. When the mail's content type is text/plain, then everything is ok. But when it is multipart/*, header & footer are positioned to wrong place. The worst case is when sending an multipart e-mail with attachements!! I'm trying 2 weeks to fix the problem (I think I found it), but I would like to inform you about this bug (if you didn't already know about it :-), and ask you a few questions: - It is in your plans to fix this bug in the near future? (e.g. in version 2.1?) - I want to add to header, the recipient's name. Is there a variable for that? e.g. %(recipient) - If not how could I add such info to header? I also send you an attachement (replaces Devorate.py) which fixes the above bug, but it is not secure enough & well tested. However it might help you fix the bug. Thanks a lot, Paschalis Pagonidis (ppag at dsg.internet.gr) Systems Engineer Internet Hellas www.internet.gr Hellas (Greece) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020111/6b8d4edc/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Smith {775} 882-9441 fax 882-9056 Carson City, NV 89703 From homeschool at erols.com Fri Jan 11 21:14:38 2002 From: homeschool at erols.com (skytwin) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help Message-ID: <002701c19adc$98c64da0$74732c42@oemcomputer> hello, i'm attempting to set up a general email bank for people who have expressed interest in our company. can i do this through mailman? thank you, adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020111/1ef1f5d3/attachment.htm From allan at pumpchurch.org Fri Jan 11 22:01:01 2002 From: allan at pumpchurch.org (Allan White) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:01:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! I think I broke the Mailmain mailing list page... Message-ID: ...when I edited the HTML to make it look like my site. I've set up this page to let new users subscribe to my list: http://www.pumpchurch.org/mailman/listinfo/pump-list_pumpchurch.org The 'subscribe' button does nothing when clicked. As far as I can tell, all the important code is there in the subscription submission area (like the Python includes) -code below*. Can anyone think of what the deal is? I wish there was a "restore default" button on the form. At the least, would anyone be willing to email me the default code that appears in a new install of Mailman? This would be from the 'Edit HTML for General List' page (/edithtml/[listname]/listinfo.html). Thanks for your help! I don' wanna reinstall it... =P Sincerely and with great humility, Allan White www.pumpchurch.org *

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When I attempt to > run ./configure I get the error: > bash: ./configure: bad interpreter: No such file or directory > I've checked and on this box /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash It's been > a long time since I did much on a **ix (Irix last time hehe) box and it > could certainly be something really stupid I forgot about. In any event > any help anyone can offer is appreciated much! > > --Ben Franske > CCNA > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Fri Jan 11 23:56:22 2002 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:56:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman lost list passwd Message-ID: <200201112256.OAA25084@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > Hi! > What can I do, if I lost my mailman list password? > how can I change it? FAQ 3.8 (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py) From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Sat Jan 12 00:06:55 2002 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost mailing-list password Message-ID: Hint Hint: you DON'T lose your mailing list password...you should have it memorized. ;-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BDY.RTF Type: application/rtf Size: 351 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020111/fbd1cc4d/attachment.rtf From Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org Sat Jan 12 00:27:09 2002 From: Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org (Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:27:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stone Age Message-ID: Forgive me for being a bit sarcastic but doesn't preventing list members from unsubscribing reek of stone age practices? 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Message-ID: <000901c19b13$78352fc0$e940d096@arkansastech.net> We received a post whose e-mail was not on the membership list. -__--__-- Message: 4 From: "AMBROSE MOMOH" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:42:46 To: ati at mail.k12.ar.us Subject: [ATI] PRIVATE PROPOSA AMBROSE MOMOH LAGOS-NIGERIA DEAR FRIEND PRIVATE PROPOSAL A very good day to you. We have an immediate business proposal that involves US$ 26,400,000. (Twenty Six Million,Four Hundred Thousand,United States Dollars) which we will like to invest with you in your country, Please do not hesitate to send me a response intimating me of your interest. Once I receive a message from you notifying me of your interest, the details of the transaction/the terms and condition of sharing regarding the business would then be brought to your knowledge. Your urgent response will be highly appreciated and will swiftly bring us to the commencement of the transaction. We hope to conclude this transaction within 10-14 working days. Do not forget to contact me on the receipt of this message via my email address and fax number 234 1 7593963. I would also need you to send to me your confidential Telephone/Fax numbers and an alternate email address if the one used in reaching you is not confidential enough , This would be needed for the transaction.Please your confidentiality would be highly appreciated. I urgently await your response. Best Regards, AMBROSE MOMOH From winky51 at bellsouth.net Fri Jan 11 23:54:00 2002 From: winky51 at bellsouth.net (Al Sousa) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:54:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? Message-ID: <008f01c19af2$dc6a4640$6501a8c0@main1> I need Mailman to do a few things and I am having trouble finding them. I have a subscriber list of 240,000 users that recieve mail everyday from my humor site. They don't post, they don't read archives, they don't do anything but get the mail. Whay I need this to do is the following. Enter subscribers: I fgured that out. An automated place to unsubscribe for people: I saw that but it seemed complicated for users. Is there something that they can do one step? like using a form to send to Mailman with just an email and an unsubscribe button. As above but for subscribing. How do I send out newsletters? Al www.wowfunny.com From gary at gdma.com Sun Jan 13 00:23:31 2002 From: gary at gdma.com (Gary McClellan) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:23:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding old Majordomo archives Message-ID: <003b01c19bc0$2651b680$6601a8c0@gm8507> I've just started using Mailman after getting tired of Yahoo Groups (which I went to after getting tired of maintaining Majordomo). Would it work if I copy the old Majordomo archives to my list.mbox file and use the appropriate script to re-parse the mbox? From benny at bennyvision.com Sun Jan 13 06:19:05 2002 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:19:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions (fwd) Message-ID: Whoops, I meant to cc the list on this - hopefully, it will help someone searching in the archives at a later time, too. :) Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. --Rules of the Air, #8 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:14:02 -0600 (CST) From: C. Bensend To: Justin Zygmont Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] a few questions On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Justin Zygmont wrote: > ok, here it is, I spent some time on this so far so any help would be > appreciated. It still looks to me like make doesn't finish. Thanks for > your help! Hey Justin, From your script output: make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/src' gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADER S=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./common.c In file included from /usr/include/errno.h:36, from common.h:27, from ./common.c:20: /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1 You'll notice that this error came when it entered the directory 'src', where the mail-wrapper.c file lives. Hence, it didn't build _anything_ in that directory. Hence, no wrapper. :( Now, to fix it... On one of my linux boxen, I did a 'locate errno.h'. It appears in '/usr/include/errno.h', and from the output of 'rpm -qf /usr/include/errno.h': hostname (user)% rpm -qf /usr/include/errno.h glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 You need to install the glibc-devel package, and I bet it will work perfectly. :) You _are_ running on linux, if I remember correctly? HTH! Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. --Rules of the Air, #8 From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Sun Jan 13 08:00:00 2002 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:00:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hmm, I thought I almost had it but when I check, here's what I get: [jzygmont]# rpm -q glibc-devel glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 [jzygmont]# find / -name errno.h find: /proc/6/fd: Permission denied /usr/include/bits/errno.h /usr/include/errno.h /usr/include/sys/errno.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/arch/errno.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/bsd/errno.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/errno.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/generic/errno.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/linux/errno.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/linuxmt/errno.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/msdos/errno.h /usr/lib/bcc/include/sys/errno.h [jzygmont]# exit any ideas? I really have to thank you for your help so far. On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, C. Bensend wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Justin Zygmont wrote: > > > ok, here it is, I spent some time on this so far so any help would be > > appreciated. It still looks to me like make doesn't finish. Thanks for > > your help! > > Hey Justin, > > From your script output: > > > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/src' > gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python\"" > -DHELPFUL > -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 > -DSTDC_HEADER > S=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./common.c > In file included from /usr/include/errno.h:36, > from common.h:27, > from ./common.c:20: > /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory > make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1 > > > You'll notice that this error came when it entered the directory > 'src', where the mail-wrapper.c file lives. Hence, it didn't > build _anything_ in that directory. Hence, no wrapper. :( > > Now, to fix it... On one of my linux boxen, I did a 'locate > errno.h'. It appears in '/usr/include/errno.h', and from the > output of 'rpm -qf /usr/include/errno.h': > > hostname (user)% rpm -qf /usr/include/errno.h > glibc-devel-2.1.3-15 > > You need to install the glibc-devel package, and I bet it > will work perfectly. :) You _are_ running on linux, if > I remember correctly? > > HTH! > > Benny > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' > landing is one after which they can use the plane again. > --Rules of the Air, #8 > > > From ptomblin at xcski.com Sun Jan 13 14:13:17 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:13:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from benny@bennyvision.com on Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:19:05PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20020113081316.A10438@allhats.xcski.com> Quoting C. Bensend (benny at bennyvision.com): > from common.h:27, > from ./common.c:20: > /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory > make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1 > > Now, to fix it... On one of my linux boxen, I did a 'locate > errno.h'. It appears in '/usr/include/errno.h', and from the > output of 'rpm -qf /usr/include/errno.h': No, the compiler was looking for , not . The word "linux" is a clue - the include file is part of the kernel distribution, not part of the compiler. If you want to compile just about anything in Linux, you have to install the kernel headers package. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody My brother went to Florida, and all he bought me was this stupid election. - George W. Bush From csmende at neubayern.net Sun Jan 13 18:01:35 2002 From: csmende at neubayern.net (Christopher Mende) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:01:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just some simple operations Message-ID: <2122.24.221.201.219.1010941295.squirrel@neubayern.net> Can anyone help me figure out how to do something simple like get a dump on the commandline of 1) all users on a list 2) with regular subscription or 3) digest subscription? Or just a way to switch one property for all users? For example, if they're a digest member, switch their digest preference from mime to non-mime. I've gotten some great input on using the withlist binary... and have successfully used the examples given me and by the manpages. However, I have no idea what the db structure is, nor can I seem to find any decent documentation on it in order to do what I actually am attempting. My greenness with python doesn't help either. Currently when digests go out it sends it with every single post as a mime attachment! An email with 80 attachments. Ugh. So you can probably see why I want to switch. If figure if I can just dump all regular subscribers to a text file, and digestsubscribers, I'll just recreate the same list, and have the correct default digestoptions set before I mass-subscribe the digest guys. Just trying to figure out the easiest way of doing this, and not finding the support I need. If there is somewhere I can go, please let me know! :-) ~C From benny at bennyvision.com Sun Jan 13 18:25:21 2002 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:25:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20020113081316.A10438@allhats.xcski.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Paul Tomblin wrote: > > Now, to fix it... On one of my linux boxen, I did a 'locate > > errno.h'. It appears in '/usr/include/errno.h', and from the > > output of 'rpm -qf /usr/include/errno.h': > > No, the compiler was looking for , not . The word > "linux" is a clue - the include file is part of the kernel distribution, > not part of the compiler. If you want to compile just about anything in > Linux, you have to install the kernel headers package. Good point, Paul... Once I re-read this after getting some _sleep_, I noticed my error. Thanks for the correction, hope this helps Justin. :) Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. --Rules of the Air, #8 From csmende at neubayern.net Sun Jan 13 18:40:30 2002 From: csmende at neubayern.net (Christopher Mende) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:40:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just some simple operations In-Reply-To: <20020113091226.R88110-100000@phred.org> References: <20020113091226.R88110-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <2375.24.221.201.219.1010943630.squirrel@neubayern.net> I shall now go hide my head in the sand!!! Easy as pie: list_members -d listname > filename remove_members -f filename listname (change default digest delivery to plain) add_members -d filename listname Done, and everyone is happy. Thanks a ton -- glad I didn't have to go the withlist route. :-) ~C > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Christopher Mende wrote: >> Can anyone help me figure out how to do something simple like get a >> dump on the commandline of 1) all users on a list 2) with regular >> subscription or 3) digest subscription? > > bin/list_members > > alex From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 13 22:30:09 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:30:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just some simple operations In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher Mende" of "Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:01:35 MST." <2122.24.221.201.219.1010941295.squirrel@neubayern.net> References: <2122.24.221.201.219.1010941295.squirrel@neubayern.net> Message-ID: <27450.1010957409@kanga.nu> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:01:35 -0700 (MST) Christopher Mende wrote: > Currently when digests go out it sends it with every single post > as a mime attachment! An email with 80 attachments. Ugh. Not quite. There are many technical advantages to MIME digests, and depending on the MUA you use, end-user advantages as well (the fact that the more common Windows MUAs handle them poorly is beside the point). > So you can probably see why I want to switch. Not really. Its a user choice -- let them pick the digest type they prefer. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From csmende at neubayern.net Sun Jan 13 23:33:33 2002 From: csmende at neubayern.net (Christopher Mende) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:33:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just some simple operations In-Reply-To: <27450.1010957409@kanga.nu> References: <27450.1010957409@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3571.24.221.201.219.1010961213.squirrel@neubayern.net> I should have been more explicit -- it is actually at the request of the usersthat we stick with a strictly text digest. Largely likely due to the fact thattheir MUA's don't handle it as they should. Thanks to you all I should be able to keep 'em happy -- for now! :) ~C > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:01:35 -0700 (MST) > Christopher Mende wrote: > >> Currently when digests go out it sends it with every single post as a >> mime attachment! An email with 80 attachments. Ugh. > > Not quite. There are many technical advantages to MIME digests, and > depending on the MUA you use, end-user advantages as well (the fact > that the more common Windows MUAs handle them poorly is beside the > point). > >> So you can probably see why I want to switch. > > Not really. Its a user choice -- let them pick the digest type they > prefer. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 14 04:25:48 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:25:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just some simple operations In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher Mende" of "Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:33:33 MST." <3571.24.221.201.219.1010961213.squirrel@neubayern.net> References: <27450.1010957409@kanga.nu> <3571.24.221.201.219.1010961213.squirrel@neubayern.net> Message-ID: <31630.1010978748@kanga.nu> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:33:33 -0700 (MST) Christopher Mende wrote: > I should have been more explicit -- it is actually at the request > of the users that we stick with a strictly text digest. Note they could all, quite easily, have selected to receive text digests instead of MIME digests. Its part of their subscription options. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From morten at wtf.dk Mon Jan 14 15:20:01 2002 From: morten at wtf.dk (Morten Brix Pedersen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:20:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons Message-ID: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> Hi, At my company, we have a rather big amount of websites where users can subscribe to newsletters and more. Now we are having the problem that more than 3000 messages are coming back as mailer demons, and a person has to delete these e-mails automatically. All the e-mail addresses lies in an Oracle database. Question: Is it possible to set up Mailman to do this?: 1) When a mailer-demon is received for the Xth time, Mailman executes a program to delete the user from our Oracle database (and delete it from Mailmans database) 2) All e-mails not being mailer-demons, should still go through to the right person. That is, if an e-mail is being sent to foo at bar.com, then mailer-demons should be filtered of, and normal e-mails should still be sent to the appropriate person. Thanks in advance. - Morten. From maillists at summitmedia.com.ph Mon Jan 14 16:21:35 2002 From: maillists at summitmedia.com.ph (maillists at summitmedia.com.ph) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:21:35 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords Message-ID: Hi! Is there a way that I can force to send the Monthly Reminder before the end of the month? I tried to change the server's date/time, nothing happened. :) I really just want to send all the member of our list their passwords. Thanks in advance. fritz senior systems administrator summit interactive, inc. www.fhm.com.ph | www.femalenetwork.com | www.candymag.com --- +basta ikaw Lord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020114/8ea76984/attachment.htm From maillists at summitmedia.com.ph Mon Jan 14 16:28:34 2002 From: maillists at summitmedia.com.ph (maillists at summitmedia.com.ph) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:28:34 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords Message-ID: Oh I'm sorry. I think I sent the last message in html mode. I really am sorry folks. fritz senior systems administrator summit interactive, inc. www.fhm.com.ph | www.femalenetwork.com | www.candymag.com --- +basta ikaw Lord -----Original Message----- From: maillists at summitmedia.com.ph [mailto:maillists at summitmedia.com.ph] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 11:22 PM To: Mailman Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords Hi! Is there a way that I can force to send the Monthly Reminder before the end of the month? I tried to change the server's date/time, nothing happened. :) I really just want to send all the member of our list their passwords. Thanks in advance. fritz senior systems administrator summit interactive, inc. www.fhm.com.ph | www.femalenetwork.com | www.candymag.com --- +basta ikaw Lord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020114/dd9a2a4c/attachment.html From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Jan 14 16:27:22 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:27:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords References: Message-ID: <3C42F8DA.A74A7347@pcraft.com> maillists at summitmedia.com.ph wrote: > Is there a way that I can force to send the Monthly Reminder before the end of the month? > I tried to change the server's date/time, nothing happened. :) Monthly reminders run once am onth, based on your crontask. By default this is at 5AM on the first of each month: # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /people/mailman/cron/mailpasswds Change that to whatever time and day you want (read 'man crontab'). -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From maillists at summitmedia.com.ph Mon Jan 14 16:34:02 2002 From: maillists at summitmedia.com.ph (maillists at summitmedia.com.ph) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:34:02 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords Message-ID: Oh thank you! Thank you! Thank you so much!!! You have helped me a lot! Thanks again. I think it is sending right now. I just set it to send right now. :) Thanks again!!! fritz senior systems administrator summit interactive, inc. www.fhm.com.ph | www.femalenetwork.com | www.candymag.com --- +basta ikaw Lord -----Original Message----- From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 11:27 PM To: maillists at summitmedia.com.ph Cc: Mailman Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords maillists at summitmedia.com.ph wrote: > Is there a way that I can force to send the Monthly Reminder before the end of the month? > I tried to change the server's date/time, nothing happened. :) Monthly reminders run once am onth, based on your crontask. By default this is at 5AM on the first of each month: # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /people/mailman/cron/mailpasswds Change that to whatever time and day you want (read 'man crontab'). -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020114/78a3f8f8/attachment.htm From maillists at summitmedia.com.ph Mon Jan 14 16:47:00 2002 From: maillists at summitmedia.com.ph (maillists at summitmedia.com.ph) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:47:00 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords Message-ID: Oh thank you! Thank you! Thank you so much!!! You have helped me a lot! Thanks again. I think it is sending right now. I just set it to send right now. :) Thanks again!!! fritz senior systems administrator summit interactive, inc. www.fhm.com.ph | www.femalenetwork.com | www.candymag.com --- +basta ikaw Lord -----Original Message----- From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 11:27 PM To: maillists at summitmedia.com.ph Cc: Mailman Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords maillists at summitmedia.com.ph wrote: > Is there a way that I can force to send the Monthly Reminder before the end of the month? > I tried to change the server's date/time, nothing happened. :) Monthly reminders run once am onth, based on your crontask. By default this is at 5AM on the first of each month: # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /people/mailman/cron/mailpasswds Change that to whatever time and day you want (read 'man crontab'). -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020114/459ee4d2/attachment.html From vd at paradigma.co.pt Mon Jan 14 17:00:55 2002 From: vd at paradigma.co.pt (Vitor Domingos) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:00:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sync mailman passwords to .htaccess ? Message-ID: <012401c19d14$a9dffca0$7aa788c1@morpheus> Hi, Is there a way to syncronize mailman passwords with an .htaccess file ? I want the email and password to be used as a valid user thru a private site. -- Cheers, Vitor Domingos From autosort at subdimension.com Mon Jan 14 17:15:27 2002 From: autosort at subdimension.com (Ben Franske) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:15:27 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Designing a PHP interface Message-ID: <000001c19d16$ae6572d0$6901a8c0@btoshiba> I know this isn't a PHP support forum, but I thought that some of you might have some ideas for me. I'm working on a PHP front end to the command line commands for Mailman. I've been working on this for quite a while and can't seem to get it, must be missing something. I've tried using the backtick, the system() and exec() functions and more, but this just doesn't seem like it's working because the list is never created, I haven't even gotten to the aliases part... What I'd like to do is run the command: "/bin/su -c /home/mailman/bin/newlist $list_name $owner $passwd1 | grep : | grep -v file:" I also need to send a \r (CR) after $passwd1 before the first grep and I need to capture the output of it and append all that to a sendmail aliases file. It would be nice to be able to remove the list as well it involves running: "/bin/su -c /home/mailman/bin/rmlist -a $list_name" and then removing the aliases (for that list) from the sendmail file. PERL snippits that accomplish this are included below. Thanks for your help! --Ben The PERL code (for adding) is below: sub createNewList { if ($_[2] eq "") { error($text{erArgs}); } $listName = $_[0]; $adminEmail = $_[1]; $listPassword = $_[2]; #this command is a cludge, if they change the output it may #mess the whole thing up $commandLine = "su -c '".$config{newlist_exec}." $listName $adminEmail $listPassword' ".$config{exec_as_user}."| grep : | grep -v file:|"; #this will only add the newlist to mailman, we still need to #add the aliases open(RESULT, $commandLine ) || return 0; print $text{txtAlias}."
    \n"; while () { $line = $_; $line =~ s/\"/\"/; $line =~ s/\"\n/\"/; $line =~ s/\n//; system("echo \'$line\' >> $config{aliases_file} "); print "$line
    "; } close(RESULT); system("su -c '$config{newaliases_command}' "); # system("$config{newaliases_command}"); } The PERL code (for removing) is below: sub deleteList { if ($_[0] eq "") { error($text{erListName}); } $listName = $_[0]; $delArchives = $_[1]; if ($delArchives) { $cmdLine = "su -c '$config{rmlist_exec} -a $listName' $config{exec_as_user}"; } else { $cmdLine = "su -c '$config{rmlist_exec} $listName' $config{exec_as_user}"; } open(OUTPUT, "$cmdLine |" )||error($text{erExecution}); while () { print "$_
    "; } close(OUTPUT); $cmdLine = "cat $config{aliases_file} |grep -v $listName:| grep -v $listName-owner:|grep -v $listName-request:|grep -v $listName-admin:> $config{aliases_file}"; #we need to backup our old alias file system("cp $config{aliases_file} $config{aliases_file}.backup"); system($cmdLine); system("su -c '$config{newaliases_command}' $config{exec_as_user}"); # system("$config{newaliases_command}"); print $text{txtBackup}."$config{aliases_file}.backup"; } From lawa at gmx.at Mon Jan 14 18:20:32 2002 From: lawa at gmx.at (Gregor Hlawacek) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:20:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors from qrunner Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I get the following error messages, I don't have any idea where from: Found in log/error Jan 14 17:50:02 2002 qrunner(22552): Traceback (most recent call last): Jan 14 17:50:02 2002 qrunner(22552): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Jan 14 17:50:02 2002 qrunner(22552): kids = main(lock) Jan 14 17:50:02 2002 qrunner(22552): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main Jan 14 17:50:02 2002 qrunner(22552): os.unlink(root+'.db') Jan 14 17:50:02 2002 qrunner(22552): OSError : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/spool/mailman/qfiles/d26ff2d4aa0d631a70a3a03a4662d24a07ecbab0.db' can anybody help gregor - -- Gregor Hlawacek Austria http://www.unileoben.ac.at/~m9327555/ May the source be with you! This posting is 100% M$ free. Guaranteed by Tux, the friendly penguin. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Weitere Infos: siehe http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxDE2QACgkQer3X+/vN824uPACgkTtUYaulmOaCU4B6sdJ/LqZV sN8AnA2eVI6NNg5anWALHFAClCXAjvV7 =KO/9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 14 18:33:53 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:33:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sync mailman passwords to .htaccess ? References: <012401c19d14$a9dffca0$7aa788c1@morpheus> Message-ID: <018001c19d21$a2ce8690$0b04010a@JCARNES> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vitor Domingos" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sync mailman passwords to .htaccess ? > Hi, > > Is there a way to syncronize mailman passwords with an .htaccess file ? > I want the email and password to be used as a valid user thru a private site. > > -- > Cheers, > Vitor Domingos > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 14 18:59:57 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:59:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons References: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> Message-ID: <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> So the problem is that you want a list of the email addresses that are undeliverable, so they can be removed from the database (either manually or via a script). Mailman does some of this. You can read the ~mailman/logs/bounce log file and see some of the mails that are bouncing (and why). Mailman handles these bounces automatically for you (based on the values that put in config for the list) - removing the bad addresses from Mailman's database. Other bounces (that come back in a non-standard format that Mailman can't interpret), will be posted to the admin for handling (assuming you have the list set so that only members or admin's can post). These messages are stored in ~mailman/data/.. You should be able to scan the bounce log file daily and pluck out email addresses that are bad. You should also be able to scan the held messages in ~mailman/data/.. and pluck out the ones that are bounces. The syntax of a script to do that on a daily basis is pretty simple. You could then feed that list of bad addresses into a script that flags them in your oracle database. Note: some folks have reported that Mailman drops certain bounces. In otherwords, they just disappear. I haven't seen that kind of behavior, but if it is true, then you will miss some of the bounces that come back, and you will do better to simply run a email checking program. There are several versions available. You feed the program a list of email addresses, and it gives you back a list of bad email addresses and good email addresses. The address checking program opens up a message envelope with a mail server and act as though it is going to drop off a piece of mail for the user in question. If the server okays it, then the program simply stops talking to the server and no message is sent. If the server rejects the address, the program marks the address as bad. Again no message is sent. You will get some false positives from this, but it does works for a majority of bad addresses. Hope this helps - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morten Brix Pedersen" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons > Hi, > > At my company, we have a rather big amount of websites where users can > subscribe to newsletters and more. Now we are having the problem that > more than 3000 messages are coming back as mailer demons, and a person > has to delete these e-mails automatically. > > All the e-mail addresses lies in an Oracle database. > > Question: Is it possible to set up Mailman to do this?: > > 1) When a mailer-demon is received for the Xth time, Mailman executes a > program to delete the user from our Oracle database (and delete it from > Mailmans database) > > 2) All e-mails not being mailer-demons, should still go through to the > right person. That is, if an e-mail is being sent to foo at bar.com, then > mailer-demons should be filtered of, and normal e-mails should still be > sent to the appropriate person. > > Thanks in advance. > > - Morten. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From JRADKE1 at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 14 18:57:10 2002 From: JRADKE1 at wi.rr.com (James Radke) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:57:10 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import Newsletter E-mails first time - How? Message-ID: <003601c19d24$e3e1e3e0$2001a8c0@stratecon.net> Hello, We have our customers e-mails in an Microsoft SQL database, and we would like to start a newsletter. Is there a way we can export the data from SQL to some type of file, and import it into a mailman list? What would be the format of the file and the command to do that? Thanks! Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020114/404c9b05/attachment.html From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 14 19:13:02 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just some simple operations References: <2122.24.221.201.219.1010941295.squirrel@neubayern.net> Message-ID: <01b001c19d27$1b5f4b80$0b04010a@JCARNES> Check out the archives. A fellow just did this (and very cleverly) last week. He dumped the list members out to file, then deleted all the users, then added them back with the default being text... Of course this loses all password information. You can use dumpdb to list out the users, their passwords, and their preferences. The FAQ has some examples: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp Somewhere in the archives, I detailed the config file and what the numbers for the users options mean. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Mende" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just some simple operations > > Can anyone help me figure out how to do something simple like get a dump on > the commandline of 1) all users on a list 2) with regular subscription or 3) > digest subscription? > > Or just a way to switch one property for all users? For example, if they're a > digest member, switch their digest preference from mime to non-mime. > > I've gotten some great input on using the withlist binary... and have > successfully used the examples given me and by the manpages. However, I > have no idea what the db structure is, nor can I seem to find any decent > documentation on it in order to do what I actually am attempting. My > greenness with python doesn't help either. > > Currently when digests go out it sends it with every single post as a mime > attachment! An email with 80 attachments. Ugh. So you can probably see why > I want to switch. > > If figure if I can just dump all regular subscribers to a text file, and > digestsubscribers, I'll just recreate the same list, and have the correct > default digestoptions set before I mass-subscribe the digest guys. > > Just trying to figure out the easiest way of doing this, and not finding the > support I need. If there is somewhere I can go, please let me know! :-) > > ~C > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Jan 14 19:16:58 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:16:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Import Newsletter E-mails first time - How? References: <003601c19d24$e3e1e3e0$2001a8c0@stratecon.net> Message-ID: <3C43209A.99B222AA@pcraft.com> James Radke wrote: > We have our customers e-mails in an Microsoft SQL database, and we > would like to start a newsletter. Is there a way we can export the > data from SQL to some type of file, and import it into a mailman > list? What would be the format of the file and the command to do that? Well, ~mailman/bin/*_members [1] need a flat text file containing (only) email addresses. If you can get MSSQL to export that data for you (which I'm sure you can), you're set. [1] add_members remove_members sync_members -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 14 19:17:47 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:17:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? References: <008f01c19af2$dc6a4640$6501a8c0@main1> Message-ID: <01c101c19d27$c4b535a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> You are not using and of the features of Mailman, so you might want to use something like Majordomo instead. Majordomo does not explicitly use passwords for the users. It can be setup so that it is very easy to unsubscribe from. To send out Newsletters to your Mailman lists, simply send a message to the email address you setup when you created the list. You will need to have the right to post to the list. Look in the web-admin interface and you will see that posting can be restricted to admins only. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Sousa" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? > I need Mailman to do a few things and I am having trouble finding them. > > I have a subscriber list of 240,000 users that recieve mail everyday from my > humor site. They don't post, they don't read archives, they don't do > anything but get the mail. Whay I need this to do is the following. > > Enter subscribers: I fgured that out. > > An automated place to unsubscribe for people: I saw that but it seemed > complicated for users. Is there something that they can do one step? like > using a form to send to Mailman with just an email and an unsubscribe > button. > > As above but for subscribing. > > How do I send out newsletters? > > Al > > www.wowfunny.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Jan 14 19:24:56 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:24:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tell if a recipient reads the newsletter? References: <003f01c19d25$315661a0$2001a8c0@stratecon.net> Message-ID: <3C432278.65765643@pcraft.com> James Radke wrote: > We are hoping to start a newsletter to our customers. One of the > questions that came up was could we determine if a customer actually > READ the newsletter. Is there a way to put something in a newsletter > so that it logs some type of "CUSTOMER READ NEWSLETTER" in a database > through a web service, or something like that? That depends on how you want to do it really. One method I see being used quite often is when someone is sending HTML mail. You can embed a tag in the HTML that will refer back to a link on your site that will automatically update the DB. Problem is, you have to send out HTML. Another method is to make use of Return Receipts. You'd have to read up on that to understand how it works. For example, if I only wanted to know whether someone received my email, I would request a DSN (Delivery Status Notification). If I wanted to know if the recipient actually read (or at least displayed) the message, I would request a MDN (Message Disposition Notification). All of this (requesting) happens within the SMTP protocol, so you have to construct your messages as such - I'm not sure Mailman can do this right out of the box. I didn't think it does, but then I haven't played with 2.1 yet, so I can't tell you what it can or can't do. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 14 19:36:27 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:36:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "on behalf of " References: <000101c19ae4$243e2cc0$2101a8c0@ROBLAPTOP> Message-ID: <01d701c19d2a$60d2cea0$0b04010a@JCARNES> This is an exim specific question, it's possible that you already got an answer, but if not: 1) Ask the Exim mailing list. 2) Use Google: http://www.google.com and search for the answer: http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-19981221/010607.html HtH - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Ruth To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: "on behalf of " I have installed Mailman using Exim as the MTA and messages come through @ " on behalf of ". How can I change this to come through w/o the "on behalf of" and just as the sender? -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020114/aae87c3f/attachment.htm From tdavis at birddog.com Mon Jan 14 19:42:51 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:42:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp / mailman sync Message-ID: <3C4326AB.9020805@birddog.com> Hello, I am having difficulty keeping my news server and lists in sync. When a message is posted the the list, mailman updates the newsgroup just fine. However, if a post is made to the newsgroup, the list is not updated. There is an option in the admin pages of mailman that says this should happen for me: "Should new posts to the newsgroup be sent to the mailing list?" What am I doing wrong here? Thank you all for any help! -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 14 19:52:13 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp / mailman sync References: <3C4326AB.9020805@birddog.com> Message-ID: <020101c19d2c$9457fa00$0b04010a@JCARNES> Since it is posting to the News server, the News server information must be correct. - What version of Mailman are you using? - Look in the log files ~mailman/logs/.. and tell us if you see any errors or warnings Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Davis" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp / mailman sync > Hello, > > I am having difficulty keeping my news server and lists in sync. When a > message is posted the the list, mailman updates the newsgroup just fine. > However, if a post is made to the newsgroup, the list is not updated. > There is an option in the admin pages of mailman that says this should > happen for me: > "Should new posts to the newsgroup be sent to the mailing list?" > > What am I doing wrong here? Thank you all for any help! > > -- > Terry Davis > Systems Administrator > BirdDog Solutions, Inc. > (402) 829-6059 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From michael at firewing.org Mon Jan 14 19:57:56 2002 From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson (firewing)) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:57:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? In-Reply-To: <01c101c19d27$c4b535a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <008f01c19af2$dc6a4640$6501a8c0@main1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114105705.031cb7b8@mail.firewing.org> On that note, can someone point me a link to some info that does a systematic comparison between Mailman and Majordomo. I've been having major digest issues with Mailman on one of my webhosts and am trying to evaluate my options. At 01:17 PM 1/14/2002 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: >You are not using and of the features of Mailman, so you might want to use >something like Majordomo instead. Majordomo does not explicitly use >passwords for the users. It can be setup so that it is very easy to >unsubscribe from. > >To send out Newsletters to your Mailman lists, simply send a message to the >email address you setup when you created the list. You will need to have >the right to post to the list. Look in the web-admin interface and you will >see that posting can be restricted to admins only. > >Jon Carnes >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Al Sousa" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:54 PM >Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? > > > > I need Mailman to do a few things and I am having trouble finding them. > > > > I have a subscriber list of 240,000 users that recieve mail everyday from >my > > humor site. They don't post, they don't read archives, they don't do > > anything but get the mail. Whay I need this to do is the following. > > > > Enter subscribers: I fgured that out. > > > > An automated place to unsubscribe for people: I saw that but it seemed > > complicated for users. Is there something that they can do one step? >like > > using a form to send to Mailman with just an email and an unsubscribe > > button. > > > > As above but for subscribing. > > > > How do I send out newsletters? > > > > Al > > > > www.wowfunny.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 14 21:45:53 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:45:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? References: <008f01c19af2$dc6a4640$6501a8c0@main1> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114105705.031cb7b8@mail.firewing.org> Message-ID: <029001c19d3c$75ebf0c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> For real digesting, you can integrate MonArch with mailman fairly easily (or so I'm told). Pipermail comes with Mailman, but is not too nifty in this modern age of Mime. My preference over archiving is to port the list to a local News server. You get pretty much the same effect as archiving and searching becomes much easier. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Johnson (firewing)" To: "Jon Carnes" ; ; Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I? > On that note, can someone point me a link to some info that does a > systematic comparison between Mailman and Majordomo. I've been having major > digest issues with Mailman on one of my webhosts and am trying to evaluate > my options. > > At 01:17 PM 1/14/2002 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > >You are not using and of the features of Mailman, so you might want to use > >something like Majordomo instead. Majordomo does not explicitly use > >passwords for the users. It can be setup so that it is very easy to > >unsubscribe from. > > > >To send out Newsletters to your Mailman lists, simply send a message to the > >email address you setup when you created the list. You will need to have > >the right to post to the list. Look in the web-admin interface and you will > >see that posting can be restricted to admins only. > > > >Jon Carnes > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Al Sousa" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:54 PM > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? > > > > > > > I need Mailman to do a few things and I am having trouble finding them. > > > > > > I have a subscriber list of 240,000 users that recieve mail everyday from > >my > > > humor site. They don't post, they don't read archives, they don't do > > > anything but get the mail. Whay I need this to do is the following. > > > > > > Enter subscribers: I fgured that out. > > > > > > An automated place to unsubscribe for people: I saw that but it seemed > > > complicated for users. Is there something that they can do one step? > >like > > > using a form to send to Mailman with just an email and an unsubscribe > > > button. > > > > > > As above but for subscribing. > > > > > > How do I send out newsletters? > > > > > > Al > > > > > > www.wowfunny.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From michael at firewing.org Mon Jan 14 21:59:02 2002 From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson (firewing)) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:59:02 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? In-Reply-To: <029001c19d3c$75ebf0c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <008f01c19af2$dc6a4640$6501a8c0@main1> <5.1.0.14.0.20020114105705.031cb7b8@mail.firewing.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114125825.0322c1b0@mail.firewing.org> Actually, I was talking mostly about dispatching _mail_ to users who want to recieved daily digests (as opposed to web archive functionality.) At 03:45 PM 1/14/2002 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: >For real digesting, you can integrate MonArch with mailman fairly easily (or >so I'm told). Pipermail comes with Mailman, but is not too nifty in this >modern age of Mime. My preference over archiving is to port the list to a >local News server. You get pretty much the same effect as archiving and >searching becomes much easier. > >Jon Carnes >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Johnson (firewing)" >To: "Jon Carnes" ; ; > >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I? > > > > On that note, can someone point me a link to some info that does a > > systematic comparison between Mailman and Majordomo. I've been having >major > > digest issues with Mailman on one of my webhosts and am trying to evaluate > > my options. > > > > At 01:17 PM 1/14/2002 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > >You are not using and of the features of Mailman, so you might want to >use > > >something like Majordomo instead. Majordomo does not explicitly use > > >passwords for the users. It can be setup so that it is very easy to > > >unsubscribe from. > > > > > >To send out Newsletters to your Mailman lists, simply send a message to >the > > >email address you setup when you created the list. You will need to have > > >the right to post to the list. Look in the web-admin interface and you >will > > >see that posting can be restricted to admins only. > > > > > >Jon Carnes > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Al Sousa" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:54 PM > > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I? > > > > > > > > > > I need Mailman to do a few things and I am having trouble finding >them. > > > > > > > > I have a subscriber list of 240,000 users that recieve mail everyday >from > > >my > > > > humor site. They don't post, they don't read archives, they don't do > > > > anything but get the mail. Whay I need this to do is the following. > > > > > > > > Enter subscribers: I fgured that out. > > > > > > > > An automated place to unsubscribe for people: I saw that but it >seemed > > > > complicated for users. Is there something that they can do one step? > > >like > > > > using a form to send to Mailman with just an email and an unsubscribe > > > > button. > > > > > > > > As above but for subscribing. > > > > > > > > How do I send out newsletters? > > > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > www.wowfunny.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > > >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From mike at openconcept.ca Mon Jan 14 22:40:25 2002 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: 14 Jan 2002 16:40:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 7.2 RPM Install Question on RH. - Access Forbiden to Web Page Message-ID: <1011044426.13443.26.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hello, I'm trying to set up mailman on a RH system, but get the following error 403: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server. Apache/1.3.22 Server at my.server.org Port 80 I assume that this is because the permissions aren't set as readable by the web, however I can't find where to change the permissions. I have a /home/mailman/ directory with appropriate permissions, but don't think this is it. I'm using mailman-2.0.8 I've followed README.REDHAT, and didn't get any errors on the install process. Please don't tell me to use the tarball. It isn't an option for the destination server. This is the relevant part of my permissions: [root at learningpartnership mailman]# cat /etc/passwd mailman:x:1048:1048:Mailman Mailinglist:/var/www:/bin/false [root at learningpartnership mailman]# cat /etc/group www:*:502:mailman,mike (are the numbers way wrong?) # ls /var/mailman/ -la total 64 drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 . drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 .. drwxrwsr-x 8 root root 4096 Jan 14 16:02 Mailman drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 archives drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:57 bin drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 cgi-bin drwxr-sr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 cron drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:59 data drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 filters drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Dec 11 15:54 lists drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 16:47 locks drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:44 logs drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 mail drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Dec 11 15:54 qfiles drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 scripts drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 templates [root at learningpartnership mailman]# ls /home/mailman/ -la total 8 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 16:39 . drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Jan 14 16:39 .. Any suggestions would be appreciated.. Mike ps. I do love the digest function, but if you reply to this please cc me. -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca Supporting progressive organizations in online campaigns and tools. Feature: Women's Learning Partnership http://learningpartnership.org Truth is that which confirms what we already believe. Northrop Frye From csmende at neubayern.net Mon Jan 14 23:07:56 2002 From: csmende at neubayern.net (Christopher Mende) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:07:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 7.2 RPM Install Question on RH. - Access Forbiden to Web Page In-Reply-To: <1011044426.13443.26.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Message-ID: Mike, What you need to do is modify your apache httpd.conf file to create a script alias for mailman, like such: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ I believe there's a file called README.linux or redhat to that effect. You should also be able to find the info on the web. There are other entries you'll have to add for additional web functionality as well (ie: pipermail). My installation is running RH7.2 as well. ~C On 14 Jan 2002, Mike Gifford wrote: |Hello, | |I'm trying to set up mailman on a RH system, but get the following error |403: | |Forbidden |You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server. | |Apache/1.3.22 Server at my.server.org Port 80 | |I assume that this is because the permissions aren't set as readable by |the web, however I can't find where to change the permissions. I have a |/home/mailman/ directory with appropriate permissions, but don't think |this is it. | |I'm using mailman-2.0.8 | |I've followed README.REDHAT, and didn't get any errors on the install |process. | |Please don't tell me to use the tarball. It isn't an option for the |destination server. | |This is the relevant part of my permissions: |[root at learningpartnership mailman]# cat /etc/passwd | |mailman:x:1048:1048:Mailman Mailinglist:/var/www:/bin/false | |[root at learningpartnership mailman]# cat /etc/group | |www:*:502:mailman,mike | |(are the numbers way wrong?) | |# ls /var/mailman/ -la |total 64 |drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 . |drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 .. |drwxrwsr-x 8 root root 4096 Jan 14 16:02 Mailman |drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 archives |drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:57 bin |drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 cgi-bin |drwxr-sr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 cron |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:59 data |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 filters |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Dec 11 15:54 lists |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 16:47 locks |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:44 logs |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 mail |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Dec 11 15:54 qfiles |drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 scripts |drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 templates | |[root at learningpartnership mailman]# ls /home/mailman/ -la |total 8 |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 16:39 . |drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Jan 14 16:39 .. | |Any suggestions would be appreciated.. | |Mike | |ps. I do love the digest function, but if you reply to this please cc |me. | -- -- -- csmende at neubayern.net http://neubayern.net 719.210.6868 From info at gurujiofgurgaon.com Sat Jan 12 12:50:47 2002 From: info at gurujiofgurgaon.com (info at gurujiofgurgaon.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:20:47 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble using Mailman mailing lists Message-ID: <000801c19b5f$64cadf60$76d2c5cb@bhanu> Sir, My Guru's website by the name of GurujiOfGurgaon.com is hosted on the iconic server. This is a purely devotional site without any commercial interests. This server has given me an option of creating mailing lists for the users. The mailing list is powered by Mailman. The trouble is that I can't figure out a way to create a link in the website, so that the users can directly register in the mailing list AT THEIR OWN WILL. Please explain the steps, giving the correct HTML code to incorporate in my site, to be able to use this option. Eagerly waiting for your reply. Yours sincerely, Bhanu Pratap Jain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020112/06f82d88/attachment.html From nigelb at enesbe.com.au Sat Jan 12 14:10:05 2002 From: nigelb at enesbe.com.au (Nigel S. Ball) Date: 13 Jan 2002 00:10:05 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives Message-ID: <1010841005.2150.48.camel@mobius> I have looked hi & lo but to no avail ... can someone please point me in the direction of instructions for setting up searchable Mailman archives? Thanks, Nigel -- Nigel S. Ball Enesbe Sales Pty Ltd ================================ From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Sun Jan 13 04:21:27 2002 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:21:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a few questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ok, here it is, I spent some time on this so far so any help would be appreciated. It still looks to me like make doesn't finish. Thanks for your help! On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, C. Bensend wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Justin Zygmont wrote: > > > this is a new install, straight from tar.gz and it still doesn't create > > the wrapper program and who knows what else. > > Time to see _exactly_ what's happening... Could you > use 'script' to document the steps (and all output) you're > taking from tarball, right up to where you do an 'ls -l' and > don't see a 'wrapper'? Ie, the untarring, the build, and > everything. Something isn't quite logical here. > > Benny > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' > landing is one after which they can use the plane again. > --Rules of the Air, #8 > > -------------- next part -------------- Script started on Sat Jan 12 19:53:50 2002 [mailman]# finger mailman Login: mailman Name: (null) Directory: /home/mailman Shell: /bin/bash Never logged in. Mail last read Tue Jan 1 22:49 2002 (EST) No Plan. [mailman]# cat /etc/passwd |grep mailman mailman:x:650:650::/home/mailman:/bin/bash [mailman]# cat /etc/passwd |grep mailman mailman:x:650: [mailman]# whoami root [mailman]# ls mailman-2.0.8.tgz typescript [mailman]# chgrp mailman . [mailman]# chmod a+rx,g+ws . 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mailman-2.0.8/templates/masthead.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/newlist.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/nopass.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/options.html mailman-2.0.8/templates/postack.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/postauth.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/postheld.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/reenable.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/refuse.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/roster.html mailman-2.0.8/templates/subauth.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/subscribe.html mailman-2.0.8/templates/subscribeack.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/userpass.txt mailman-2.0.8/templates/verify.txt [mailman]# cd mailman [mailman-2.0.8]# ls ACKNOWLEDGMENTS README TODO cron scripts BUGS README.BSD UPGRADING filters src FAQ README.EXIM admin gnu-COPYING-GPL templates INSTALL README.LINUX bin install-sh Mailman README.NETSCAPE configure mail Makefile.in README.QMAIL configure.in misc NEWS README.SENDMAIL contrib mkinstalldirs [mailman]# ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 creating cache ./config.cache checking for --with-python... no checking for python... /usr/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python checking Python version... 1.5.2 checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes checking for true... /bin/true checking for --without-gcc... no checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes checking for --with-var-prefix... no checking for --with-username... mailman checking for mailman UID... 650 checking for --with-groupname... mailman checking for mailman GID... 650 checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay checking for mail wrapper GID... 12 checking for CGI wrapper GID... 99 checking for CGI extensions... no checking for default fully qualified host name... solarflow checking for default URL host component... solarflow checking for strerror... yes checking for setregid... yes checking for syslog... yes checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for syslog.h... yes checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... yes checking type of array argument to getgroups... gid_t checking for vsnprintf... yes updating cache ./config.cache creating ./config.status creating misc/paths.py creating Mailman/Defaults.py creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist creating src/Makefile creating misc/Makefile creating bin/Makefile creating Mailman/Makefile creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile creating templates/Makefile creating cron/Makefile creating filters/Makefile creating scripts/Makefile creating cron/crontab.in creating Makefile [mailman-2.0.8]# cat /etc/passwd | grep nobody nobody:x:99:99:Nobody:/: [mailman-2.0.8]# ./configure --with-cgi-gid=99 loading cache ./config.cache checking for --with-python... no checking for python... (cached) /usr/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python checking Python version... 1.5.2 checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking for true... (cached) /bin/true checking for --without-gcc... no checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes checking for --with-var-prefix... no checking for --with-username... mailman checking for mailman UID... 650 checking for --with-groupname... mailman checking for mailman GID... 650 checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 12 checking for CGI wrapper GID... 99 checking for CGI extensions... no checking for default fully qualified host name... solarflow checking for default URL host component... solarflow checking for strerror... (cached) yes checking for setregid... (cached) yes checking for syslog... (cached) yes checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes updating cache ./config.cache creating ./config.status creating misc/paths.py creating Mailman/Defaults.py creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist creating src/Makefile creating misc/Makefile creating bin/Makefile creating Mailman/Makefile creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile creating templates/Makefile creating cron/Makefile creating filters/Makefile creating scripts/Makefile creating cron/crontab.in creating Makefile [mailman-2.0.8]# make install Creating architecture independent directories... Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/logs mkdir /home/mailman/logs Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/archives mkdir /home/mailman/archives Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/lists mkdir /home/mailman/lists Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/locks mkdir /home/mailman/locks Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/qfiles mkdir /home/mailman/qfiles Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/data mkdir /home/mailman/data Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/spam mkdir /home/mailman/spam Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/filters mkdir /home/mailman/filters Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/archives/private mkdir /home/mailman/archives/private Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/archives/public mkdir /home/mailman/archives/public chmod o-r /home/mailman/archives/private Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/bin mkdir /home/mailman/bin Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/templates mkdir /home/mailman/templates Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/scripts mkdir /home/mailman/scripts Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/cron mkdir /home/mailman/cron Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/Mailman mkdir /home/mailman/Mailman Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi mkdir /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging mkdir /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver mkdir /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers mkdir /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers mkdir /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib mkdir /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/icons mkdir /home/mailman/icons Creating architecture dependent directories... Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/cgi-bin mkdir /home/mailman/cgi-bin Creating directory hierarchy /home/mailman/mail mkdir /home/mailman/mail make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/bin' for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist check_perms find_member version move_list config_list list_lists dumpdb; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /home/mailman/bin; \ done make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/bin' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/cron' for f in checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests gate_news nightly_gzip qrunner bumpdigests; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/cron; \ done make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/cron' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/filters' for f in bowa-strip; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/filters; \ done make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/filters' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/misc' /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 Cookie.py /home/mailman/Mailman /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 *.jpg *.png /home/mailman/icons for d in bin cron scripts; \ do \ dir=/home/mailman/$d; \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \ done /usr/bin/install -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /home/mailman/data make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/misc' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman' for f in *.py; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman; \ done /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /home/mailman/Mailman if [ ! -f /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ]; \ then \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py; \ fi for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers pythonlib; \ do \ (cd $d; make install); \ done make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Cgi' for f in *.py; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Cgi' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Logging' for f in *.py; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Logging' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Archiver' for f in __init__.py Archiver.py HyperArch.py HyperDatabase.py pipermail.py; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Archiver' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Handlers' for f in *.py; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Handlers' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Bouncers' for f in *.py; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/Bouncers' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/pythonlib' for f in *.py; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib; \ done make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman/pythonlib' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/Mailman' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/scripts' for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; \ do \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/scripts; \ done make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/scripts' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/src' gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./common.c In file included from /usr/include/errno.h:36, from common.h:27, from ./common.c:20: /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [common.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/src' make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/templates' for f in *.html *.txt; \ do \ mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || /bin/true; \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \ done mv: /home/mailman/templates/admindbpreamble.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/handle_opts.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/headfoot.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/listinfo.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/options.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/roster.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/subscribe.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/adminsubscribeack.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/adminunsubscribeack.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/approve.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/bounce.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/checkdbs.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/convert.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/cronpass.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/help.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/masthead.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/newlist.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/nopass.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/postack.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/postauth.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/postheld.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/reenable.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/refuse.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/subauth.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/userpass.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/verify.txt: No such file or directory make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.8/templates' /usr/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; compile_dir("/home/mailman/Mailman")' Listing /home/mailman/Mailman ... Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py ... Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Caiwireless.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Catchall.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Compuserve.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Exim.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/GroupWise.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Postfix.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Qmail.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SMTP32.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/SimpleMatch.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Smail.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Yahoo.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.py ... Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/__init__.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/EncWord.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py ... Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Acknowledge.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/AfterDelivery.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Approve.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/__init__.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py ... Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/__init__.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Upgrading from version 0x0 to 0x20008f0 no lists == nothing to do, exiting [mailman-2.0.8]# ls ACKNOWLEDGMENTS README UPGRADING contrib scripts BUGS README.BSD admin cron src FAQ README.EXIM bin filters templates INSTALL README.LINUX config.cache gnu-COPYING-GPL update.log Mailman README.NETSCAPE config.log install-sh Makefile README.QMAIL config.status mail Makefile.in README.SENDMAIL configure misc NEWS TODO configure.in mkinstalldirs [mailman-2.0.8]# cd mail [mail]# ls -la total 8 drwxrwxrwx 2 4101 4101 4096 Nov 27 17:54 . drwxrwxrwx 13 4101 4101 4096 Jan 12 21:54 .. [mail]# no wrapper!, see? bash: no: command not found [mail]# exit Script done on Sat Jan 12 21:54:45 2002 From enxtw2 at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Jan 14 10:07:26 2002 From: enxtw2 at nottingham.ac.uk (Tao Wu) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:07:26 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Query Message-ID: Dear Sir or Madam, I am a user of mailman 2.0.7 system. These a couple of days, I lost quite a lot of pending administrative requests. The server always notifies me there are some requests, however, while I log in, the system always says the pending requests lost due to some errors. What's the reason for this problem? Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards, Tao WU ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Tao WU School of Chemical, Environmental and Mining Engineering The University of Nottingham University Park, Nottingham NG7 2RD United Kingdom Tel: (+44) 0115 84 66710 (Office) Email: enxtw2 at nottingham.ac.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From scott at clearycorner.com Mon Jan 14 10:38:24 2002 From: scott at clearycorner.com (Scott Cleary) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:38:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bsddb2 and SuSE 7.3 Pro Message-ID: <000f01c19cdf$368ffa50$6500a8c0@Neo> Hello, Has anyone been successful at getting Mailman 2.1a4 running under SuSE 7.3 Pro? I'm running into a Python problem. Most of the Mailman command line commands return: File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 37, in ? import bsddb3 as bsddb ImportError: No module named bsddb3 I've tried to download the bsddb3 module and install it into python but I get: gcc -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DHAVE_LARGEFILE_SUPPORT -O2 -mcpu=i48 6 -march=i486 -fPIC -I/usr/include/db3 -I/usr/include/python2.1 -c src/_db.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.1/_db.o src/_db.c: In function `newDBObject': src/_db.c:627: structure has no member named `app_private' src/_db.c: In function `DBEnv_set_lk_max_locks': src/_db.c:3010: structure has no member named `set_lk_max_locks' src/_db.c: In function `DBEnv_set_lk_max_lockers': src/_db.c:3027: structure has no member named `set_lk_max_lockers' src/_db.c: In function `DBEnv_set_lk_max_objects': src/_db.c:3044: structure has no member named `set_lk_max_objects' src/_db.c: In function `DBEnv_lock_stat': src/_db.c:3246: structure has no member named `st_maxlockers' src/_db.c:3247: structure has no member named `st_maxobjects' src/_db.c:3248: structure has no member named `st_nlocks' src/_db.c:3249: structure has no member named `st_maxnlocks' src/_db.c:3252: structure has no member named `st_nobjects' src/_db.c:3253: structure has no member named `st_maxnobjects' error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 Is there a bsddb module (or rpm) available for SuSE 7.3? Any help is greatly appreciated. Scott Cleary From laine23 at lehtori.cc.tut.fi Mon Jan 14 12:10:53 2002 From: laine23 at lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Laine Jarkko) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:10:53 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with AOLServer Message-ID: Hi everybody, Has anyone managed to get Mailman to work with AOLServer? If so, are there any special issues that should be taken into consideration? E.g. which MTA should work best? Thanks, Jarkko -- Jarkko Laine jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi Tampere University of Technology Industrial Engineering and Management +358-(0)50-3588858 From sara.ronald at earth4you.com Mon Jan 14 21:03:00 2002 From: sara.ronald at earth4you.com (Sara Ronald) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:03:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent Message-ID: <3C435594.27224.1EC4D2@localhost> Hello, i'm using your mailman service.and i have some problems or let's call them questions. first i have hosted my domain with a new host who is using your mailing list. and i already have old e-mails and i need to import them to my new host but i don't know how?" they are in text file" 2nd question is: how can i send email to my people in the mailing list? also if i import or add the old list i had. can i add them to be member automatically so they can receive my new news? thank you From tdavis at birddog.com Mon Jan 14 23:21:39 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:21:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp / mailman sync Message-ID: <3C4359F3.4070709@birddog.com> Jon Carnes wrote: Since it is posting to the News server, the News server information must be correct. - What version of Mailman are you using? - Look in the log files ~mailman/logs/.. and tell us if you see any errors or warnings Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Davis" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp / mailman sync Hello, I am having difficulty keeping my news server and lists in sync. When a message is posted the the list, mailman updates the newsgroup just fine. However, if a post is made to the newsgroup, the list is not updated. There is an option in the admin pages of mailman that says this should happen for me: "Should new posts to the newsgroup be sent to the mailing list?" What am I doing wrong here? Thank you all for any help! -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Thank you for your reply! I am using version 2.0.7. The "error" log shows nothing. The usenet log shows this every 5 minutes: Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) test: [1..3] Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) nothing new for list test Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) test watermark: 7 Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) customers-ups: [1..3] Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) nothing new for list customers-ups Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) customers-ups watermark: 3 However, there are new posts in the "test" newsgroup that did not get put on the test list. I have the information in mailman setup correctly, just verified. It may be working intermittently because the customers.ups group had a few posts that made it to the customers-ups list. I am not certain as to why that one worked however. It also seems as if it took a while for them to appear on the list as well. I hope this helps. Thank you! -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 From mike at openconcept.ca Mon Jan 14 23:22:18 2002 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: 14 Jan 2002 17:22:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 7.2 RPM Install Question on RH. - Access Forbiden to Web Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1011046938.13349.100.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hello Christopher, Thanks for the quick reply. On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:07, Christopher Mende wrote: > What you need to do is modify your apache httpd.conf file to create a > script alias for mailman, like such: > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ I've added this: #Added by Mike for mailman ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks It didn't say where to add it, I added it somewhere round the middle.. Outside of an if statement (I believe).. I'll try to move this and see if that works... Nope.. Moved it right above the Virtual Restarted the server (again) and still got the same error > I believe there's a file called README.linux or redhat to that effect. I was able to find this.. /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.8/INSTALL > You should also be able to find the info on the web. I could find some for installing mailman from a tarball, but not as an rpm. > There are other entries > you'll have to add for additional web functionality as well (ie: > pipermail). My installation is running RH7.2 as well. Is there an rpm for pipermail? I couldn't find it, but hadn't noticed the Alias int he http.conf fragment above. However, mailman must be working as otherwise I'd get a 404 error rather than a 403 error.. Mike > On 14 Jan 2002, Mike Gifford wrote: > > |Hello, > | > |I'm trying to set up mailman on a RH system, but get the following error > |403: > | > |Forbidden > |You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server. > | > |Apache/1.3.22 Server at my.server.org Port 80 > | > |I assume that this is because the permissions aren't set as readable by > |the web, however I can't find where to change the permissions. I have a > |/home/mailman/ directory with appropriate permissions, but don't think > |this is it. > | > |I'm using mailman-2.0.8 > | > |I've followed README.REDHAT, and didn't get any errors on the install > |process. > | > |Please don't tell me to use the tarball. It isn't an option for the > |destination server. > | > |This is the relevant part of my permissions: > |[root at learningpartnership mailman]# cat /etc/passwd > | > |mailman:x:1048:1048:Mailman Mailinglist:/var/www:/bin/false > | > |[root at learningpartnership mailman]# cat /etc/group > | > |www:*:502:mailman,mike > | > |(are the numbers way wrong?) > | > |# ls /var/mailman/ -la > |total 64 > |drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 . > |drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 .. > |drwxrwsr-x 8 root root 4096 Jan 14 16:02 Mailman > |drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 archives > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:57 bin > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 cgi-bin > |drwxr-sr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 cron > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:59 data > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 filters > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Dec 11 15:54 lists > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 16:47 locks > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:44 logs > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 15:43 mail > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Dec 11 15:54 qfiles > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 scripts > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 14 15:43 templates > | > |[root at learningpartnership mailman]# ls /home/mailman/ -la > |total 8 > |drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 14 16:39 . > |drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Jan 14 16:39 .. > | > |Any suggestions would be appreciated.. > | > |Mike > | > |ps. I do love the digest function, but if you reply to this please cc > |me. > | > > -- > -- -- > csmende at neubayern.net > http://neubayern.net > 719.210.6868 > -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca Supporting progressive organizations in online campaigns and tools. Feature: Women's Learning Partnership http://learningpartnership.org Truth is that which confirms what we already believe. Northrop Frye From vd at paradigma.co.pt Mon Jan 14 23:34:06 2002 From: vd at paradigma.co.pt (Vitor Domingos) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:34:06 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives References: <1010841005.2150.48.camel@mobius> Message-ID: <001901c19d4b$986e0660$ba00a8c0@morpheus> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp -- Cheers, Vitor Domingos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel S. Ball" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives > I have looked hi & lo but to no avail ... can someone please point me in > the direction of instructions for setting up searchable Mailman > archives? > > Thanks, Nigel > -- > Nigel S. Ball > Enesbe Sales Pty Ltd > ================================ > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > From mike at openconcept.ca Mon Jan 14 23:50:56 2002 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: 14 Jan 2002 17:50:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 7.2 RPM Install Question on RH. - Access Forbiden to Web Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1011048657.13353.129.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hello Christopher, I just noticed this page here: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-check.html Which gave me this error: /var/mailman]# bin/check_perms -f Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ? MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation I also went to: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-final.html Added this to http.conf: Exec /mailman/* /var/mailman/cgi-bin/* And got an error restarting the server.. Not sure if this helps track down the problem.. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca Supporting progressive organizations in online campaigns and tools. Feature: Women's Learning Partnership http://learningpartnership.org Truth is that which confirms what we already believe. Northrop Frye From henrik at lewander.com Tue Jan 15 00:18:35 2002 From: henrik at lewander.com (Henrik Lewander) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:18:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp / mailman sync References: <3C4359F3.4070709@birddog.com> Message-ID: <007f01c19d51$d1b11600$4bf90bc1@hemmet.chalmers.se> > Thank you for your reply! I am using version 2.0.7. The "error" log > shows nothing. The usenet log shows this every 5 minutes: > Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) test: [1..3] > Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) nothing new for list test > Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) test watermark: 7 > Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) customers-ups: [1..3] > Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) nothing new for list customers-ups > Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) customers-ups watermark: 3 > > However, there are new posts in the "test" newsgroup that did not get > put on the test list. I have the information in mailman setup > correctly, just verified. > > It may be working intermittently because the customers.ups group had a > few posts that made it to the customers-ups list. I am not certain as > to why that one worked however. It also seems as if it took a while for > them to appear on the list as well. > > I hope this helps. > > Thank you! Go to your webconfiguration and and say yes to "Should Mailman perform a catchup on the newsgroup?" under "Mail-News and News-Mail gateways" for test. That should reset your "watermark" for the list. Regards Henrik -- ( http://henrik.lewander.com ][ Husaberg FE 400 ) mailto:henrik at lewander.com ][ Aprilia RS 250 c[] Join the Aprilia RS webring at http://henrik.lewander.com/mc/aprilia/ring From vd at paradigma.co.pt Tue Jan 15 00:37:17 2002 From: vd at paradigma.co.pt (Vitor Domingos) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:37:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess in pipermail Message-ID: <007c01c19d54$6b93b320$ba00a8c0@morpheus> I selected, in the archive options, the file source for public archive. So now, i dont need the password to access the public archives. But i need to put some kind of authentication for users. I've got the usual .htpasswd files for that. But i dont know where can i put the .htpasswd file. In the mailman/archive/public ive got a link for /mailman/archive/private/mailinglist In httpd.conf i've got the pipermail/mailinglist alias for /mailman/archive/public/mailinglist. So, how can i change the user authentication or change the index.php for the archive ? thnkx -- Cumprimentos, Vitor Domingos From tdavis at birddog.com Tue Jan 15 00:52:52 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:52:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp / mailman sync References: <3C4359F3.4070709@birddog.com> <007f01c19d51$d1b11600$4bf90bc1@hemmet.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <3C436F54.1090505@birddog.com> Henrik Lewander wrote: >>Thank you for your reply! I am using version 2.0.7. The "error" log >>shows nothing. The usenet log shows this every 5 minutes: >>Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) test: [1..3] >>Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) nothing new for list test >>Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) test watermark: 7 >>Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) customers-ups: [1..3] >>Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) nothing new for list customers-ups >>Jan 14 14:50:01 2002 (2264) customers-ups watermark: 3 >> >>However, there are new posts in the "test" newsgroup that did not get >>put on the test list. I have the information in mailman setup >>correctly, just verified. >> >>It may be working intermittently because the customers.ups group had a >>few posts that made it to the customers-ups list. I am not certain as >>to why that one worked however. It also seems as if it took a while for >>them to appear on the list as well. >> >>I hope this helps. >> >>Thank you! >> > > Go to your webconfiguration and and say yes to "Should Mailman perform a > catchup on the newsgroup?" under "Mail-News and News-Mail gateways" for > test. That should reset your "watermark" for the list. > > Regards Henrik > -- > ( http://henrik.lewander.com ][ Husaberg FE 400 > ) mailto:henrik at lewander.com ][ Aprilia RS 250 > c[] Join the Aprilia RS webring at > http://henrik.lewander.com/mc/aprilia/ring > I get how that works now, thank you! -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 From jonc at haht.com Tue Jan 15 00:54:00 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:54:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? References: <3C3F4AE3.9040301@birddog.com> Message-ID: <02ec01c19d56$bceb2580$0b04010a@JCARNES> you can setup your lists so that folks can unsubscribe via email without a password. This is simple to do, but requires some setup. This setup is good for any number of email "triggers" that you might want to use with Mailman. - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email: volleyball-unsub: "|/usr/local/sbin/v-unsub" - In the /etc/smrsh directory: ln -s /usr/local/sbin/v-unsub v-unsub - In /usr/local/sbin create the script v-unsub: #!/bin/bash # script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list # Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com # Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1` for i in $UNSUB do # === Note: the below text is all on one line...=== echo $i |grep -q "@" && echo "/home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i" >> /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals # === Note: the above text is all on one line... === done chmod 0777 /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals - Make the script executable: chmod a+x /usr/local/sbin/v-unsub - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext mkdir /home/mailman/ext chmod 0777 /home/mailman/ext === Now if you send an email to volleyball-unsub it will execute the command v-unsub which will create a file with Mailman commands inside for the removal of users from the list "volleyball". The created file "pending_removals" will look something like this: /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball jonc at haht.com /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball lemontree at hool.com You need to execute this file as Mailman (or root), and then delete the file. One easy way to do this is to write another script and then setup that script to run out of cron. Scripts run out of the Mailman cron will be executed as the user mailman. - Write a script to run the file: pending_removals. Then delete the file. We will call the file: /home/mailman/bin/exec_mailman #!/bin/bash # execute a program as the user mailman, requires set-up in crontab /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals rm /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals - Change to the user Mailman, and edit the cron table: su mailman crontab -e # Crontable entry to auto-remove users 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /home/mailman/bin/exec_mailman === The script "exec_mailman" runs every 5 minutes, so users who email volleyball-unsub can expect to get a message back in about 5 minutes telling them that they are unsubscribed. You can use this scheme to automate any number of mailman functions via email triggers. You can also include password checking, and origin checking fairly easily. Jon Carnes BTW: you really should include an " if [ -x /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals ] line in the script "exec_mailman or your going to get a lot of errors indicating that the script doesn't exist... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Davis" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? > Hrm, ya and you cant even specify a blank password when subscribing, > that makes things harder. > > Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org wrote: > > > unfortunately, i don't have an answer to that one yet...i'm looking > > though...and trying to do something similar. Most of the users on my > > list fall into the computer illiterate category too... > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tdavis [mailto:tdavis at birddog.com] > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:12 PM > > To: mailman-users > > Cc: tdavis > > Subject: FW: Re: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? > > > > > > Anyone have an answer for me here? Here is my original question: > > I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list without a > > > > password. How can I setup a list this way? > > > > > > > > Michael Johnson (firewing) wrote: > > > > > >>If nothing else (security concerns aside), it'll alleviate confusion > >> > > on > > > >>subscribers' part who often get frustrated when they don't realize (or > >> > > > >>read the message they are sent or the information pages) that to unsub > >> > > > >>they need their password. > >> > >>At 04:44 PM 1/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list > >>> > > without > > > >>>a password. I understand this can be dangerous but this is a > >>>controlled list and my users are going to be sub-par as far as > >>>intelligence goes. I notice that when I do a mass subscribe, it > >>>auto-generates a password for every user, if I could make that blank > >>>somehow, that would rock. But would the password being blank mean > >>>there is no password? > >>> > >>>Thank you! > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Terry Davis > >>>Systems Administrator > >>>BirdDog Solutions, Inc. > >>>(402) 829-6059 > >>>www.birddog.com > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------ > >>>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >>> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Tue Jan 15 01:03:30 2002 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I don't really know what is right or wrong In-Reply-To: <0a7801c198c6$48fa6300$6401a8c0@crotchett.com> Message-ID: <20020114153738.H55498-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Here is my update to everybody out there who has helped me. Everybody's info was very helpful! I have apache and postfix successfully installed on my FreeBSD 4.4 box. * I rm'd all files/directories pertaining to mailman from /home/mailman * I created /usr/local/src/mailman and de-arc'd the tar file to that directory * make clean didn't work, but I think that had something to do with me deleting a bunch of stuff in the first step. * I ran ./configure in /usr/local/src/mailman I found out that my mailman is GID=999 UID=1003 I found out that my postfix is GID=1003 UID=1002 I didn't enter any parameters into ./configure since I wasn't sure how it would handle them. * make install - went uneventfully * /home/mailman/bin/check_perms - No Problems So it appears that steps 1-3 in the INSTALL were successfully completed. I couldn't have done it without your help. I am still unsure about how to proceed with step 4. I am not incredibly familiar with Apache and I have absolutely no experience with cgi-bin yet. I have not yet any experience with cron/crontab either. To tell you the truth, I am afraid to proceed any further since I am afraid I might screw up and have to start all over again. I am not sure if I should just jump right in and modify my apache/httpd.conf script like Darren recommended last week. If anybody has suggestions about how I should continue, please let me know. I have saved all my e-mails from this list for a month back, so feel free to refer to others e-mails. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Darren wrote: > Hmm. I'll try to help. I just got mine set up on FreeBSD with Postfix. I > am working with the maintainer of the ports right now because the ports have > known issues. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you sound new to FreeBSD too. > > Since you are having trouble with the ./configure method, why don't you try > installing it from ports? The hardest thing that you'll have to do is edit > the Makefile. > > What mailer are you going to use? Do you have Apache installed yet? You > need to have both of these running before you tackle Mailman. > > Darren > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Legg" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:54 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] I don't really know what is right or wrong > > > > Hello, > > > > I am trying to follow the instructions as best as I can, but I don't think > > I am understanding it correctly. Is there any better document other than > > the INSTALL document that comes with mailman-208? I honestly can't see > > myself installing mailman by using this document. > > > > Here are some questions/problems I came across anyway. > > > > In step 1, I was to create an installation directory which is referred to > > as $prefix. The next paragraph told me that /home/mailman is the default. > > I copied the tarball into this directory for installation and followed the > > remaining steps. In step 2 I ran ./configure The directory where my > > source code was present was /home/mailman/ and since that was the default, > > I didn't have to chenge that. make install worked perfectly but > > check_perms found 333 problems. At the end of step 3, I am told to run > > check_perms from a location other than the source directory. > > > > I thought the install directory and source directory were the same thing > > and that make install would just copy the files to where ever they need to > > be. But now I am told that they need to be different. Where was I > > supposed to save my soucre then? Is /home/mailman the right place, or did > > I screw up royally doing that? > > > > I honestly don't have any idea what is going on anymore. I am probably > > beyond any hope at this point, now that neither the FreeBSD ports version > > worked or my building it manually. Is this really meant to be run under > > FreeBSD? At how awkward this install is, I am beginning to have my > > doubts. > > > > I also don't know what all that set-group-id stuff is about or how python > > works. It took forever to find that there is no Run command for 'Run > > bin/check/perms' as written in Step 3. > > > > What I need is a step-by-step description telling me what I need to type > > in order to get this thing installed on a freshly installed version of > > FreeBSD. Is there anything that can be done? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > From stephen at xemacs.org Tue Jan 15 02:09:44 2002 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: 15 Jan 2002 10:09:44 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stone Age In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87y9j04dyf.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Nissley" == Nissley Ron writes: Nissley> Forgive me for being a bit sarcastic but doesn't Nissley> preventing list members from unsubscribing reek of stone Nissley> age practices? No matter how closely related the members Nissley> are to the source of the mailing list...wether they work Nissley> for a corporation that runs the list or any other Nissley> situation for that matter, it should still be their Nissley> prerogative to unsubscribe themselves if they so wish. But it is. By law, the method is universally accepted in Western societies. It's called a "letter of resignation." :-/ The constraints that Mailman development should follow are (1) don't make life difficult for admins of systems the list admin doesn't run, and (2) make life easier for the list admin. Making life easier and more pleasant for list members, other things equal, is implied by (2). It is unfortunately often true that the list admin, for whatever reason, does not have the best interests of list members at heart. But this social issue is way beyond the scope of Mailman development. At least Mailman can help make the employment experience a little more pleasant in other ways. :-) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From mike at openconcept.ca Tue Jan 15 06:11:12 2002 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: 15 Jan 2002 00:11:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 7.2 RPM Install Question on RH. - Access Forbiden to Web Page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1011071477.13353.232.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hi Colin, On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 19:09, Colin Mackinlay wrote: > In on Mon 14 Jan, Mike Gifford wrote: > > I'm trying to set up mailman on a RH system, but get the following error > > 403: > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server. > Isn't this because you have just accessed /mailman/ which does not > specifiy the command you want to run. Wish it came up with some "Hi you've accessed a mailman page" message rather than a 403 > What happens if you access /mailman/admin ? Then it worked! Thanks for your help. Thanks also for the many suggestions I've already gotten from others on this list. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca Supporting progressive organizations in online campaigns and tools. Feature: Women's Learning Partnership http://learningpartnership.org Truth is that which confirms what we already believe. Northrop Frye From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jan 15 06:20:12 2002 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:20:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Member Passwords In-Reply-To: <3C42F8DA.A74A7347@pcraft.com> References: <3C42F8DA.A74A7347@pcraft.com> Message-ID: At 8:27 -0700 1/14/02, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: ># 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. >0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /people/mailman/cron/mailpasswds > > Change that to whatever time and day you want (read 'man crontab'). And having changed the system clock by a fairly large amount, it would not hurt to stop and restart cron. It tends to confuse easily (I had the next run of an every-five-minute task off in 2030 once...it fired while the clock was set to sometime in 2030 [it logs; I saw] and seemingly kept the "when do I do this next" cache when the clock was corrected). It's quite possible that a system running anacron is harder to confuse. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA [it logs; I saw]...I wonder what the Latin is for "it logs"...vidi is easy enough for I saw but perhaps wrong in context: Miss Beaumet frightened me away from 9th/10th grade Latin] From jwblist at olympus.net Tue Jan 15 06:36:52 2002 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:36:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tell if a recipient reads the newsletter? In-Reply-To: <3C432278.65765643@pcraft.com> References: <003f01c19d25$315661a0$2001a8c0@stratecon.net> <3C432278.65765643@pcraft.com> Message-ID: At 11:24 -0700 1/14/02, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: >Problem is, you have to send out >HTML. Other problem is that not all users who receive the newsletter will let the HTML be interpreted. Since the population was "customers," you can't control that (unless you have really eager customers). [Some of us, while processing SPAM for potential blocking, unplug the Ethernet cable...but that's unlikely in context.] And even THEN it doesn't prove the recipient read or even saw the mail...it might have been the 5 year old tossing out the boring stuff. >If I wanted to know if the recipient >actually read (or at least displayed) the message, I would request a MDN >(Message Disposition Notification). All of this (requesting) happens >within the SMTP protocol, so you have to construct your messages as such >- I'm not sure Mailman can do this right out of the box. There are two kinds. Our mail servers don't honor the old kind (which merely indicated that the mail got somewhere [network] close to the recipient, anyhow). And I almost never OK the confirmation alert my MUA puts up for the new kind asking whether I want to send the receipt, and NEVER in a list. I would for personal email from friends, but my friends know better. --John -- John Baxter Port Ludlow, WA, USA I am NOT out of the office. I will respond if and when I get around to it. From ceo at pier37.com Tue Jan 15 07:50:38 2002 From: ceo at pier37.com (Tina Harshbarger) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:50:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman to another Machine Message-ID: I need to move my lists to another machine. Can I simply copy over the /lists directory? Or is there another "approved" way to do this? I don't want to have to setup these 30 lists again and try to get subscriber lists, etc. Any help would be appreciated... we're moving from RedHat Linux to FreeBSD. Thanks in advance! - Tina From mike at openconcept.ca Tue Jan 15 07:31:35 2002 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: 15 Jan 2002 01:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Not Being Sent - RH, Sendmail & RPMs Message-ID: <1011076296.13443.309.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hello, I think that this might be another tricky RPM issue.. I can send mail with elm just fine, however when mailman tells me it is sending me a note (either from the web interface or the command line) it never gets to me. I've snipped most of these log files, but think there is likely relevant stuff here: # cat logs/error Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): Traceback (innermost last): Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): main() Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): process_lists(lock) Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): File "/var/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD) Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__ Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port)) Jan 15 01:30:01 2002 gate_news(30747): socket . error : (111, 'Connection refused') # cat logs/post Jan 15 01:33:00 2002 (30758) post to mike from mailman-owner at my.site.org, size=1369, 1 failures # cat logs/smtp-failure Jan 15 01:34:01 2002 (30762) -1 mike at flora.org (ignore) Also, I'm also not sure if this is relevant, but this error is coming up and I still don't know how to fix it (other than ditch the RPM and go from the tarball) # bin/check_perms Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ? MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation I'm also still confused by this Also, as I'm using sendmail, I would have configured it from the tarball using: --with-mail-gid=mail However I don't have that option and so need to know how to set this with the rpm version. This might be the source of the problem, however I'm sure that Red Hat would have tried to put that default into their config as they ship with sendmail... Thanks again for your previous help.. It's working much better now.. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca Supporting progressive organizations in online campaigns and tools. Feature: Women's Learning Partnership http://learningpartnership.org Truth is that which confirms what we already believe. Northrop Frye From ash at oblique.net Tue Jan 15 07:55:32 2002 From: ash at oblique.net (Ash) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:55:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 2.0.5 to 2.0.8 Message-ID: <20020115015531.B22504@oblique.net> I'm currently running Mailman 2.0.5 on a Solaris 8 box, and am planning on upgrading it to 2.0.8. I've noticed that there are patch files available on SourceForge for the patch command. After I apply the patch files and run the "make" and "make install" commands, will this erase the mailing list data and configuration directories? Or is there a provision in the make file for preserving these directories with mailing list data (e.g. data/, archives/private/, archives/public/, lists/, etc...)? Is there a FAQ on upgrading Mailman or a recommended plan for doing upgrades on a live installation that doesn't require the erasure of data? Thanks, Ash. From sjaniska at inet.hr Tue Jan 15 12:13:33 2002 From: sjaniska at inet.hr (Sasa Janiska) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:13:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Htdig integration (with external archiver) Message-ID: Hi! I'm a newbie for Mailman and have to setup Mailman with external archiver (which one goes better with Mailman: Mhonarc or Hypermail?) and Htdig search engine for one non-profit web-oriented educational institution. The search engine should serve searching of the whole site + different mailing list which will be created for the students for the different courses. I'm interested if there is some HOWTO document for the above mentioned scenario which seems to me as a very common usage of the Mailman? Also, I have seen in FAQ that there is a patch for htdig integration with Mailman. Is this patch already included in 2.0.8 source tarball? Sincerely, Sasa From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 15 13:11:53 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:11:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Htdig integration (with external archiver) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115120451.034915d8@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 12:13 15/01/2002 +0100, Sasa Janiska wrote: >Hi! > >I'm a newbie for Mailman and have to setup Mailman with external >archiver (which one goes better with Mailman: Mhonarc or Hypermail?) and >Htdig search engine for one non-profit web-oriented educational >institution. > >The search engine should serve searching of the whole site + different >mailing list which will be created for the students for the different >courses. > >I'm interested if there is some HOWTO document for the above mentioned >scenario which seems to me as a very common usage of the Mailman? This is a straight htdig configuration issue. At the minimum you will have to add start_url directives to htdig's conf file for each of the list archives or ensure that links from one of the start_url directives in htdig's conf file eventually lead to each of the list archives. You will also have to have some sort of cron job to rebuild htdig's search indices regularly (probably daily) to include new archived material. >Also, I have seen in FAQ that there is a patch for htdig integration with >Mailman. Is this patch already included in 2.0.8 source tarball? The following patches can be applied to the mailman 2.0.8 (and earlier vesions of 2.0.x) to integrate htdig with Mailman and provide search of archives generated by the internal (pipermail) archiver. The patches are not of direct relevance if you have opted to use an external archiver. The benefit of the integration of htdig with Mailman archives generated by pipermail is that it provides per list search facilities with a search form on each list's archive TOC page and uses Mailman's security mechanism for limiting access to private mail archives via search responses; in fact you can only access a private list archive's search form if you are authorised to access the list. The patches also automatically builds htdig config files for each archived list and provides cron scripts for maintaining htdig's search indices. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 >Sincerely, >Sasa > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From morten at wtf.dk Tue Jan 15 13:58:24 2002 From: morten at wtf.dk (Morten Brix Pedersen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:58:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons In-Reply-To: <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20020115125824.GB16604@wtf.dk> Hi Jon, * Jon Carnes [2002-01-14 19:00:41]: > So the problem is that you want a list of the email addresses that are > undeliverable, so they can be removed from the database (either manually or > via a script). Right. > Mailman does some of this. You can read the ~mailman/logs/bounce log file > and see some of the mails that are bouncing (and why). Mailman handles > these bounces automatically for you (based on the values that put in config > for the list) - removing the bad addresses from Mailman's database. Thats perfect. > Other bounces (that come back in a non-standard format that Mailman can't > interpret), will be posted to the admin for handling (assuming you have the > list set so that only members or admin's can post). These messages are > stored in ~mailman/data/.. How do you define "other bounces"? Would a normal e-mail sent to the address go into this category? In that case, it doesn't work exactly like I want it to - normal e-mails sent to the address should not be changed, they should just be "bounced" to a defined address so he/she can take care of replying to the e-mail. Thanks. - Morten. -- Morten Brix Pedersen mbp at dailyrush.dk Daily Rush System Administrator www.wtf.dk From thomas.minor at Materna.DE Tue Jan 15 14:06:41 2002 From: thomas.minor at Materna.DE (thomas.minor at Materna.DE) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:06:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance Question (or is it a bug ?) Message-ID: <73B855B4F72FD411A1CF009027B113C4025355F1@taxis.materna.de> Hi there. I think I have a little problem with my Mailman installation. I used the standard SuSE package from an 7.3 installation on a little Pentium I 166MHz. My Problem : Little attachments to my messages are queued quite well. But with big attachements, that is 4 MBytes an up, it performs miserably. At the moment of this writing, a mail with a 7 Meg attachments is in the state of beeing queued. The Python process running qrunner has taken already an hour (!) or processor time now. This must be a bug. Majordomo always queued such mails flawlessly. Any suggestions or hints for me ? Thanks a lot ! -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Minor, Development Unified Messaging MATERNA GmbH, Business Unit Communications Telefon : +49 (231) 5599 - 169 Fax : +49 (231) 5599 - 67 169 - ----------------------------------------------------------- live is short and love is always over in the morning, black wind come carry me far away - sisters of mercy -- ---------------------------------------------------------- From sjaniska at inet.hr Tue Jan 15 14:33:16 2002 From: sjaniska at inet.hr (Sasa Janiska) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:33:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Htdig integration (with external archiver) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115120451.034915d8@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: On Today, -0000, Richard Barrett wrote: Hi Richard! Thank you very much for your reply. > This is a straight htdig configuration issue. At the minimum you will have > to add start_url directives to htdig's conf file for each of the list > archives or ensure that links from one of the start_url directives in > htdig's conf file eventually lead to each of the list archives. You will > also have to have some sort of cron job to rebuild htdig's search indices > regularly (probably daily) to include new archived material. That's easy. > The following patches can be applied to the mailman 2.0.8 (and earlier > vesions of 2.0.x) to integrate htdig with Mailman and provide search of > archives generated by the internal (pipermail) archiver. Do you have soemthing ready for V2.1? > The patches are not of direct relevance if you have opted to use an > external archiver. If pipermail can do the job, it isn't necessary. I am thinking about external archiver seeing that pipermail is no longer maintained .. > The benefit of the integration of htdig with Mailman archives generated by > pipermail is that it provides per list search facilities with a search form > on each list's archive TOC page and uses Mailman's security mechanism for > limiting access to private mail archives via search responses; in fact you > can only access a private list archive's search form if you are authorised > to access the list. The patches also automatically builds htdig config > files for each archived list and provides cron scripts for maintaining > htdig's search indices. That's very important to limit access for private list archives. Actually, only students should have access to the mailing lists, and only for those courses they are enrolled in. I'll definitely try with your suggestion. Since Pipermail is no longer developed, do you think about some patch with external archivers like Mhonarc or Hypermail? Sincerely, Sasa From mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk Tue Jan 15 16:21:46 2002 From: mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk (mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:21:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] users on a page References: Message-ID: <001c01c19dd8$6b60fe60$0700005a@ppc.com> Hi All, Could anyone tell me if there is any way of getting more than 30 people on my membership management page at one time. I'm running 2.0.5, and having 30 at a time for over 3000 email addresses is a tad annoying! hehe. Regards, Mark Fried AlphaCadia Plc http://www.alphacadia.co.uk --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The information contained in this communiqu? is confidential, and is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and anyone else who is legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020115/4b85b13f/attachment.htm From alex at phred.org Tue Jan 15 16:26:46 2002 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:26:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] users on a page In-Reply-To: <001c01c19dd8$6b60fe60$0700005a@ppc.com> Message-ID: <20020115072614.X88110-100000@phred.org> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk wrote: > Could anyone tell me if there is any way of getting more than 30 > people on my membership management page at one time. I'm running > 2.0.5, and having 30 at a time for over 3000 email addresses is a > tad annoying! hehe. Look at the variable DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE in Defaults.py. Default is 30, up it to something larger and put that value in mm_cfg.py. alex From mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk Tue Jan 15 16:34:07 2002 From: mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk (mark_fried at alphacadia.co.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:34:07 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] users on a page References: <20020115072614.X88110-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <002d01c19dda$12418640$0700005a@ppc.com> Oh, and I don't have access to the server or anything. Sorry, I should have added that. Mark Fried AlphaCadia Plc http://www.alphacadia.co.uk --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The information contained in this communiqu? is confidential, and is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and anyone else who is legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. > Look at the variable DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE in Defaults.py. > Default is 30, up it to something larger and put that value in > mm_cfg.py. > > alex From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 15 17:09:09 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:09:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Htdig integration (with external archiver) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115120451.034915d8@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115152041.0348cc40@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 14:33 15/01/2002 +0100, Sasa Janiska wrote: >On Today, -0000, Richard Barrett wrote: > >Hi Richard! >Thank you very much for your reply. > > > This is a straight htdig configuration issue. At the minimum you will have > > to add start_url directives to htdig's conf file for each of the list > > archives or ensure that links from one of the start_url directives in > > htdig's conf file eventually lead to each of the list archives. You will > > also have to have some sort of cron job to rebuild htdig's search indices > > regularly (probably daily) to include new archived material. > >That's easy. > > > The following patches can be applied to the mailman 2.0.8 (and earlier > > vesions of 2.0.x) to integrate htdig with Mailman and provide search of > > archives generated by the internal (pipermail) archiver. > >Do you have soemthing ready for V2.1? I have already posted on sourceforge versions of the patch for MM 2.1a3 and MM2.1cvs. The latter is for the MM cvs at the date and time noted in the posting but this may need updating depending on what change in the CVS since my posting. It is my intention to publish a version of the patch for the beta and final versions of MM 2.1 as soon as I can after they are available. Just check sourceforge for Mailman patches 444879 and 444884 read the notes I post with each patch file. > > The patches are not of direct relevance if you have opted to use an > > external archiver. > >If pipermail can do the job, it isn't necessary. I am thinking about >external archiver seeing that pipermail is no longer maintained .. In the context of Mailman I think it can be said that pipermail is still being maintained. MM contains its own copy of pipermail code in python and if you search the developer archives you will see there is ongoing work and discussion about its future. The archiver will certainly be enhance by and maintained through MM 2.1 albeit the enhancements may not be that major. Do you do python? Maybe you could make a contribution! > > The benefit of the integration of htdig with Mailman archives generated by > > pipermail is that it provides per list search facilities with a search form > > on each list's archive TOC page and uses Mailman's security mechanism for > > limiting access to private mail archives via search responses; in fact you > > can only access a private list archive's search form if you are authorised > > to access the list. The patches also automatically builds htdig config > > files for each archived list and provides cron scripts for maintaining > > htdig's search indices. > >That's very important to limit access for private list archives. >Actually, only students should have access to the mailing lists, and >only for those courses they are enrolled in. If you go with the external archiver I guess you will have to apply authentication and access control via the web server used to access the archives produced. You may want to consider how you can automate keeping the access control data for each private list's archives, in a format for use by the web server, and the subscription information held by MM in step. As an aside, the htdig/MM integration I produced uses per list search forms embedded in the list archive TOC page in association with per list htdig config files and per list search indexes. The primary reason is that this gives user authentication before the search is done and inhibits unauthorised users having access to links and synopsis information which they are not entitled to access. The approach I adopted helps overcome a problem with having search indexes that contain information about both private and public data. If you have this you have to do one of following: 1. if you are serious about security, use your own search script to run the search engine's search and then filter the results returned by it to remove links and their associated synopsis information which the user is not authorised to see. The problem with this is that if you have a large search space then checking all the returned results is going to be demanding of system performance. 2. if you don't mind if people can read the snippets of data they are not authorised to see in the synopsis returned in association with each link you let the user see all the results returned. Having aroused their interest you then annoy by refusing to let them follow one of the links that the search just returned to them. My approach sidesteps both these issues reasonably neatly but I'm sure there are a dozen other ways of achieving the same objectives suing any combination of list manager/archive/search engine. >I'll definitely try with your suggestion. > >Since Pipermail is no longer developed, do you think about some patch >with external archivers like Mhonarc or Hypermail? I'm looking at producing a more generalised patch to simply producing closer integrations of other search engines with Mailman archives. I guess it might be worth expanding my thinking to generalise to mail archives produced by other archivers and searching them with different search engines. >Sincerely, >Sasa From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 15 17:16:45 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:16:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance Question (or is it a bug ?) In-Reply-To: <73B855B4F72FD411A1CF009027B113C4025355F1@taxis.materna.de> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115161510.0348b148@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 14:06 15/01/2002 +0100, thomas.minor at Materna.DE wrote: >Hi there. > >I think I have a little problem with my Mailman >installation. >I used the standard SuSE package from an 7.3 installation >on a little Pentium I 166MHz. > >My Problem : >Little attachments to my messages are queued quite well. >But with big attachements, that is 4 MBytes an up, it >performs miserably. >At the moment of this writing, a mail with a >7 Meg attachments is in the state of beeing queued. >The Python process running qrunner has taken already >an hour (!) or processor time now. >This must be a bug. Majordomo always queued >such mails flawlessly. I've experienced the same thing. Big attachments effectively become a denial of service attack. I think you will find this problem arises if the list the attachment is directed at is being archived and it is the internal archiver code that is digging its way to the centre of the earth. I may be wrong but try turning of archiving for lists to which you allow large attachments to be posted and I think it will go a lot faster; extracting attachments from archives is a problem anyway so why bother archiving them? If you've left the qrunner keep going, I think you may need to kill it, delete the lock files and delete the queued message concerned or you'll never get anything through the system. >Any suggestions or hints for me ? > >Thanks a lot ! > > >-- ---------------------------------------------------------- > Thomas Minor, Development Unified Messaging > MATERNA GmbH, Business Unit Communications > Telefon : +49 (231) 5599 - 169 > Fax : +49 (231) 5599 - 67 169 >- ----------------------------------------------------------- > live is short and love is always over in the morning, > black wind come carry me far away > - sisters of mercy >-- ---------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rtecolt at uiagc.pue.uia.mx Tue Jan 15 17:42:45 2002 From: rtecolt at uiagc.pue.uia.mx (Ramon F. Tecolt G,) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:42:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troubles with lists.... Message-ID: <3C445C05.8050104@uiagc.pue.uia.mx> Hi everybody. I installed last version of mailman in a Solaris 8 operating system everything it's ok.... i can generate newlists, i put the aliases onto my /etc/aliases file... i can suscribe to the list, it arrives the first message, but when i do the reply to the message it's when i have troubles... i can't confirm the suscription, and i receive an email with the followin error: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/export/home/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" (expanded from: >) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/export/home/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable I don't know what to do, i tried everything i tought it could be... I hope you ppl can help me!!! Thanks to everyone. -- Classic: A book that everybody wants to have read, and nobody wants to read. ---- Ramon F. Tecolt G. Network Manager & Webmaster Universidad Iberoamericana Golfo Centro Direccion de Informatica - Coordinacion de Operacion Blvd. del Ni?o Poblano No. 2901 Unidad Territorial Atlixcayotl, 72430 Puebla, Pue. MX Voice: +52 (222) 229 07 00, ext. 589 Fax: +52 (222) 230 17 30 EMail: rtecolt at uiagc.pue.uia.mx Web: http://www.pue.uia.mx/ Linux User Number: 185441 ICQ Number: 42060334 From mike at openconcept.ca Tue Jan 15 18:39:18 2002 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: 15 Jan 2002 12:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Sendmail' vs 'SMTPDirect' in RH7.2 RPM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1011116358.2419.82.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hello, Answering my previous question, I just found in: Mailman/Defaults.py That the RH7.2 rpm sets the default to: # DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' So I just needed to switch this around and uncomment the Sendmail and I can now send messages without any difficulty.. Now I just have to figure out how to direct the mail back to python as I can send mail from the web interface and from the command line, but when I try to confirm a subscription nothing happens.. Also, I still seem to be getting regular errors with the get_news function: Jan 15 12:40:01 2002 gate_news(652): socket . error : (111, 'Connection refused') What is this supposed to do and how am I supposed to turn it off? Also, I still don't see why I'm getting this error: # ./check_perms Traceback (innermost last): File "./check_perms", line 50, in ? MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation # cat /etc/group mailman:*:501:mailman,james,mike,keb,rgoyal,apache Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca Supporting progressive organizations in online campaigns and tools. Feature: Women's Learning Partnership http://learningpartnership.org Truth is that which confirms what we already believe. Northrop Frye From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Tue Jan 15 19:03:52 2002 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:03:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with INSTALL Step 4 Message-ID: <20020115115930.C57019-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> ---- This thread was formally titled as below. I thought it was vague, so here continues my quest for mailman. ---- Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I don't really know what is right or wrong Here is my update to everybody out there who has helped me. Everybody's info was very helpful! I have apache and postfix successfully installed on my FreeBSD 4.4 box. * I rm'd all files/directories pertaining to mailman from /home/mailman * I created /usr/local/src/mailman and de-arc'd the tar file to that directory * make clean didn't work, but I think that had something to do with me deleting a bunch of stuff in the first step. * I ran ./configure in /usr/local/src/mailman I found out that my mailman is GID=999 UID=1003 I found out that my postfix is GID=1003 UID=1002 I didn't enter any parameters into ./configure since I wasn't sure how it would handle them. * make install - went uneventfully * /home/mailman/bin/check_perms - No Problems So it appears that steps 1-3 in the INSTALL were successfully completed. I couldn't have done it without your help. I am still unsure about how to proceed with step 4. I am not incredibly familiar with Apache and I have absolutely no experience with cgi-bin yet. I have not yet any experience with cron/crontab either. To tell you the truth, I am afraid to proceed any further since I am afraid I might screw up and have to start all over again. I am not sure if I should just jump right in and modify my apache/httpd.conf script like Darren recommended last week. If anybody has suggestions about how I should continue, please let me know. I have saved all my e-mails from this list for a month back, so feel free to refer to others e-mails. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Jan 15 19:03:50 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:03:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Htdig integration (with external archiver) In-Reply-To: Message from Sasa Janiska of "Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:13:33 +0100." References: Message-ID: <4372.1011117830@kanga.nu> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:13:33 +0100 (CET) Sasa Janiska wrote: > I'm a newbie for Mailman and have to setup Mailman with external > archiver... http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.003.htp http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp > (which one goes better with Mailman: Mhonarc or > Hypermail?) That rather depends on what you want to do and what features your require. I like/use MHonArc. > The search engine should serve searching of the whole site + > different mailing list which will be created for the students for > the different courses. I do this with MnoGoSearch -- but it has nothing to do with mailman per se. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From robert at einsle.de Tue Jan 15 19:20:32 2002 From: robert at einsle.de (Robert Einsle) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:20:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob: Porting Mailman to an another Host Message-ID: <20020115182032.GB30413@kim.allgaeu.org> Hy * I've set up Mailman on our Testing Host, and now i copyed the Lists to our produktion host with config_list -o .. and config_list -i But on the Produktion-System i cannot set the Admin-Password on the List. I've run check_db, check_perms with no errors. I set the Password with the Site-Pass, no result. What can i do?? I've no Idea. Thanks for Help. -- MFG Robert Einsle BNA Technik, Postmaster ? . ? ? ? . ? . ? <-------- verd?chtiges weisses Pulver ? . ? . . From twarfield at astcorp.com Tue Jan 15 20:27:10 2002 From: twarfield at astcorp.com (Tom Warfield) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:27:10 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Message-ID: <003b01c19dfa$a09ec8b0$a15c03cf@astcorp.com> Yeah I know ...yuk yuk don't send me any html emails. But I just noticed something in MailMan that is strange. If I send a HTML email to the lists it sends it on perfectly fine to all the list subscribers. But the footer that I want attached to all emails sent to the list doesn't show up at all...not even in the source of the email so im thinking it doesn't send it when you send HTML based email? It does work on plain text messages. Any insight would be helpful. Tom From jonc at haht.com Tue Jan 15 21:18:36 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:18:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons References: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020115125824.GB16604@wtf.dk> Message-ID: <00e501c19e01$d01864a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> > > > Other bounces (that come back in a non-standard format that Mailman can't > > interpret), will be posted to the admin for handling (assuming you have the > > list set so that only members or admin's can post). These messages are > > stored in ~mailman/data/.. > > How do you define "other bounces"? Would a normal e-mail sent to the > address go into this category? > > In that case, it doesn't work exactly like I want it to - normal e-mails > sent to the address should not be changed, they should just be "bounced" > to a defined address so he/she can take care of replying to the e-mail. > > Thanks. > > - Morten. Some email systems send "bounces" from some weird addresses (as apposed to Mailer-Daemon, or some such address). As such, Mailman may not be able to interpret that the email is a bounce. Mailman may simply interpret the mail as a reply. There is a whole section in Mailman that is devoted to identifying different types of bounces. The current list includes bounces from: Compuserve, Exim, Groupwise, Microsoft, Netscape, Postfix, SMTP, Smail, Yahoo, etc... But folks use a wild number of differing Mailservers (like Lotus Notes, Connect2, etc...). If they don't use a standard "bounce" format, and the bounce format they use has not been added to ~mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/.. then the message that comes back is seen as a reply from a user that is not on the list. You will have to monitor the messages that come back into the list. It's really not too hard. If a non-list user replies to every single message that goes out in a day (assuming a high volume list), that user is probably a bounce. The hard part can be tracing down the actual email address on your list that is causing the bounce.... Hope this help - Jon Carnes From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Jan 15 22:23:31 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:23:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman to another Machine References: Message-ID: <3C449DD3.3F258CC5@pcraft.com> Tina Harshbarger wrote: > I need to move my lists to another machine. Can I simply copy over the > /lists directory? Or is there another "approved" way to do this? I don't > want to have to setup these 30 lists again and try to get subscriber > lists, etc. You can copy your ~mailman/lists, ~mailman/archives, and ~mailman/data [1] over, however if the paths are not the same on both machines, you'll have to run ~mailman/bin/move_list on each list (I do it anyway for good measure). If you had filters setup, you'd have to copy those as well (~mailman/filters). You may as well check your ~mailman/qfiles [2] too. Don't forget to shut off your cron task on the old server prior to moving anything. Also, remember to re-create all your aliases on the new machine. Check permissions (specially UID/GID's since you're moving to a new distro) before you restart cron on the new server. [1] ~mailman/data is where your pending subscriptions are stored [2] Generally you want qfiles to be empty before you move anything -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From tdavis at birddog.com Tue Jan 15 22:29:08 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (tdavis at birddog.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:29:08 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? References: <3C3F4AE3.9040301@birddog.com> <02ec01c19d56$bceb2580$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <3C449F24.403@birddog.com> I was pondering this idea. Great idea it is too. But is there a way to get the email address from the FROM headers rather than have them explicity put it in the subject line ? I see a problem in the FROM headers where they can have a bunch of stuff in there like name and whatever else like "Foo Bar " Any thoughts here? Jon Carnes wrote: > you can setup your lists so that folks can unsubscribe via email without a > password. This is simple to do, but requires some setup. This setup is > good for any number of email "triggers" that you might want to use with > Mailman. > > - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email: > volleyball-unsub: "|/usr/local/sbin/v-unsub" > > - In the /etc/smrsh directory: > ln -s /usr/local/sbin/v-unsub v-unsub > > - In /usr/local/sbin create the script v-unsub: > > #!/bin/bash > # script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list > # Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com > # Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com > UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1` > for i in $UNSUB > do > # === Note: the below text is all on one line...=== > echo $i |grep -q "@" && echo "/home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball > $i" >> /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals > # === Note: the above text is all on one line... === > done > chmod 0777 /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals > > - Make the script executable: > chmod a+x /usr/local/sbin/v-unsub > > - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext > mkdir /home/mailman/ext > chmod 0777 /home/mailman/ext > > === > > Now if you send an email to volleyball-unsub it will execute the command > v-unsub which will create a file with Mailman commands inside for the > removal of users from the list "volleyball". The created file > "pending_removals" will look something like this: > /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball jonc at haht.com > /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball lemontree at hool.com > > You need to execute this file as Mailman (or root), and then delete the > file. One easy way to do this is to write another script and then setup > that script to run out of cron. Scripts run out of the Mailman cron will be > executed as the user mailman. > > - Write a script to run the file: pending_removals. Then delete the file. > We will call the file: /home/mailman/bin/exec_mailman > #!/bin/bash > # execute a program as the user mailman, requires set-up in crontab > /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals > rm /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals > > - Change to the user Mailman, and edit the cron table: > su mailman > crontab -e > > # Crontable entry to auto-remove users > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /home/mailman/bin/exec_mailman > > === > > The script "exec_mailman" runs every 5 minutes, so users who email > volleyball-unsub can expect to get a message back in about 5 minutes telling > them that they are unsubscribed. > > You can use this scheme to automate any number of mailman functions via > email triggers. You can also include password checking, and origin checking > fairly easily. > > Jon Carnes > > BTW: you really should include an " if [ -x > /home/mailman/ext/pending_removals ] line in the script "exec_mailman or > your going to get a lot of errors indicating that the script doesn't > exist... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Davis" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? > > > >>Hrm, ya and you cant even specify a blank password when subscribing, >>that makes things harder. >> >>Nissley_Ron/EMM at mail.emm.org wrote: >> >> >>>unfortunately, i don't have an answer to that one yet...i'm looking >>>though...and trying to do something similar. Most of the users on my >>>list fall into the computer illiterate category too... >>> >>>Ron >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: tdavis [mailto:tdavis at birddog.com] >>>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:12 PM >>>To: mailman-users >>>Cc: tdavis >>>Subject: FW: Re: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? >>> >>> >>>Anyone have an answer for me here? Here is my original question: >>>I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list without a >>> >>>password. How can I setup a list this way? >>> >>> >>> >>>Michael Johnson (firewing) wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>If nothing else (security concerns aside), it'll alleviate confusion >>>> >>>> >>>on >>> >>> >>>>subscribers' part who often get frustrated when they don't realize (or >>>> >>>> >>>>read the message they are sent or the information pages) that to unsub >>>> >>>> >>>>they need their password. >>>> >>>>At 04:44 PM 1/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I want to be able to allow my users to unsubscribe from a list >>>>> >>>>> >>>without >>> >>> >>>>>a password. I understand this can be dangerous but this is a >>>>>controlled list and my users are going to be sub-par as far as >>>>>intelligence goes. I notice that when I do a mass subscribe, it >>>>>auto-generates a password for every user, if I could make that blank >>>>>somehow, that would rock. But would the password being blank mean >>>>>there is no password? >>>>> >>>>>Thank you! >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Terry Davis >>>>>Systems Administrator >>>>>BirdDog Solutions, Inc. >>>>>(402) 829-6059 >>>>>www.birddog.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------ >>>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 From harmony at faceted.org Tue Jan 15 22:42:03 2002 From: harmony at faceted.org (Tahnee Hutchens) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:42:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update notification? Message-ID: <004c01c19e0d$944ca920$f3abfc9e@default> Hi...I'm curious as to whether or not a mailing list can automatically send an e-mail to its subscribers whenever a certain website is updated? If so, how do I do that? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020115/0a7ecc52/attachment.html From tdavis at birddog.com Tue Jan 15 22:44:11 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (tdavis at birddog.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:44:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant get into admin screen Message-ID: <3C44A2AB.7050205@birddog.com> I have several lists but I cant seem to get into one of the lists' admin screens. I get to the password screen but it hangs after I type in my password. There is a process that is started after this but I dont know what is going on to fix it. web 25869 0.6 0.7 4540 2968 ? S 15:40 0:00 /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver admin Any ideas? Thank you! -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 From tdavis at birddog.com Tue Jan 15 23:50:53 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (tdavis at birddog.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:50:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant get into admin screen Message-ID: <3C44B24D.4050303@birddog.com> This is bothering me. I removed this list, not the archives. Added back in. Tried getting to the admin page, can't. Like I said, I can still get to any other lists' admin page. Help please as I need to do some work to this list. :) -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: tdavis at birddog.com Subject: cant get into admin screen Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:44:11 -0600 Size: 917 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020115/8ce54809/attachment.mht From claw at kanga.nu Tue Jan 15 23:58:54 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:58:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons In-Reply-To: Message from "Jon Carnes" of "Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:18:36 EST." <00e501c19e01$d01864a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020115125824.GB16604@wtf.dk> <00e501c19e01$d01864a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <9707.1011135534@kanga.nu> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:18:36 -0500 Jon Carnes wrote: > Some email systems send "bounces" from some weird addresses (as > apposed to Mailer-Daemon, or some such address). A bounce is sole identified by having a null return address in the envelope, and by nothing else. None of the headers on a message are significant in determining if a given message is a bounce, Not From: not To:, none of them. > As such, Mailman may not be able to interpret that the email is a > bounce. The problem is that Mailman attempts the parse the body of a bounce to determine subscriber address. As the message body format is not standardised this is an error prone process (which also explains the attraction of VERP). > Mailman may simply interpret the mail as a reply. Not if it has a null return-to envelope. Guaranteed. > There is a whole section in Mailman that is devoted to identifying > different types of bounces. The current list includes bounces > from: Compuserve, Exim, Groupwise, Microsoft, Netscape, Postfix, > SMTP, Smail, Yahoo, etc... Right. That's the message body parsing stuff, not the bounce determination code. > But folks use a wild number of differing Mailservers (like Lotus > Notes, Connect2, etc...). If they don't use a standard "bounce" > format, and the bounce format they use has not been added to > ~mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/.. then the message that comes back is > seen as a reply from a user that is not on the list. Nope, not unless the MTA in question grossly violates the RFCs and uses a non-null return address. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 16 00:03:48 2002 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:03:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request - distiguish bouncing from "no mail" addresses Message-ID: <15428.46420.917515.188566@beluga.mojam.com> I run a mailman-managed mailing list with about 250 subscribers. In December, through no fault of mailman's I f*cked up my sendmail installation. Consequently, lots of mail to this list bounced and mailman obligingly disabled the bouncing addresses (about 140 addresses all told). Once my sendmail problems were straightened out, I checked the logs/bounced file to identify which addresses were disabled by mailman, then unchecked their "no mail" setting one-by-one in the membership management section. This was obviously a bit tedious, so I made some mistakes in the process. I would find it helpful if mailman distinguished addresses for users asking to go "no mail" and bouncing addresses mailman disabled. Even if I couldn't click a "reenable all bouncing addresses" link, it would be easier to simply uncheck all boxes in a particular column instead of having to go back and forth between the bounce log and the membership management pages unchecking some and leaving others alone. -- Skip Montanaro (skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/) From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Wed Jan 16 00:12:08 2002 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:12:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request - distiguish bouncing from "no mail" addresses Message-ID: <200201152312.PAA16161@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > I > would find it helpful if mailman distinguished addresses for users asking to > go "no mail" and bouncing addresses mailman disabled. Part of 2.1 From barry at zope.com Wed Jan 16 00:14:00 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:14:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Sendmail' vs 'SMTPDirect' in RH7.2 RPM References: <1011116358.2419.82.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Message-ID: <15428.47032.522311.638299@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "MG" == Mike Gifford writes: | That the RH7.2 rpm sets the default to: | # DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' | DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' MG> So I just needed to switch this around and uncomment the MG> Sendmail and I can now send messages without any difficulty.. Except that you potentially open up security holes in your system. 'Sendmail' is not secure because it uses the shell and the input strings are not sanitized. MG> Jan 15 12:40:01 2002 gate_news(652): socket . error : (111, MG> 'Connection refused') This is a socket problem, and not specific to Mailman or Python. MG> What is this supposed to do and how am I supposed to turn it MG> off? | Also, I still don't see why I'm getting this error: | # ./check_perms | Traceback (innermost last): | File "./check_perms", line 50, in ? | MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] | TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation | # cat /etc/group | | mailman:*:501:mailman,james,mike,keb,rgoyal,apache Try this: % python >>> import grp >>> grp.getgrgid(501) [what does this print?] -Barry From skip at pobox.com Wed Jan 16 00:17:41 2002 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:17:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request - distiguish bouncing from "no mail" addresses In-Reply-To: <200201152312.PAA16161@utopia.West.Sun.COM> References: <200201152312.PAA16161@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <15428.47253.282271.770402@beluga.mojam.com> >> I would find it helpful if mailman distinguished addresses for users >> asking to go "no mail" and bouncing addresses mailman disabled. Dan> Part of 2.1 Praise ! Thx, Skip From barry at zope.com Wed Jan 16 00:22:19 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:22:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons References: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020115125824.GB16604@wtf.dk> <00e501c19e01$d01864a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <9707.1011135534@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <15428.47531.652522.222508@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence writes: JCL> The problem is that Mailman attempts the parse the body of a JCL> bounce to determine subscriber address. As the message body JCL> format is not standardised this is an error prone process JCL> (which also explains the attraction of VERP). Actually, the bounce format /is/ standardized in RFC 1894, i.e. Delivery Status Notifications (DSN), and of course Mailman groks DSN. It's just that many MTA authors hate this RFC for being overly complex (can't completely blame them), and decide to roll their own instead. VERP works because of RFC 2821 which they can't ignore! A special place in hell is reserved for the authors of MSExchange who not only decided to roll their own, but also made the brilliant decision to include absolutely nothing in the bounce message which even hints at the remotest morsel of a clue as to the intended recipient. VERP to the rescue! -Barry From claw at kanga.nu Wed Jan 16 00:30:21 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:30:21 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons In-Reply-To: Message from barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) of "Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:22:19 EST." <15428.47531.652522.222508@anthem.wooz.org> References: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020115125824.GB16604@wtf.dk> <00e501c19e01$d01864a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <9707.1011135534@kanga.nu> <15428.47531.652522.222508@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <10380.1011137421@kanga.nu> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:22:19 -0500 Barry A Warsaw wrote: >>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence writes: >> The problem is that Mailman attempts the parse the body of a >> bounce to determine subscriber address. As the message body >> format is not standardised this is an error prone process (which >> also explains the attraction of VERP). > Actually, the bounce format /is/ standardized in RFC 1894, > i.e. Delivery Status Notifications (DSN), and of course Mailman > groks DSN. I knew I should have added an "in practice" there, but by the time I thought of that I got distracted by a phone call, hit send, and, well... > A special place in hell is reserved for the authors of MSExchange > who not only decided to roll their own, but also made the > brilliant decision to include absolutely nothing in the bounce > message which even hints at the remotest morsel of a clue as to > the intended recipient. Aye, so I've been noticing. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From alex at phred.org Wed Jan 16 00:51:17 2002 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:51:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons In-Reply-To: <15428.47531.652522.222508@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20020115155023.Q88110-100000@phred.org> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 barry at zope.com wrote: > A special place in hell is reserved for the authors of MSExchange who > not only decided to roll their own, but also made the brilliant > decision to include absolutely nothing in the bounce message which > even hints at the remotest morsel of a clue as to the intended > recipient. VERP to the rescue! Huh? Microsoft Exchange 2000 (you didn't specify a version, assuming you are talking about the latest version) sends RFC 1894 complaint NDRs. alex From barry at zope.com Wed Jan 16 00:52:44 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:52:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons References: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020115125824.GB16604@wtf.dk> <00e501c19e01$d01864a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <9707.1011135534@kanga.nu> <15428.47531.652522.222508@anthem.wooz.org> <10380.1011137421@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <15428.49356.231718.401087@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence writes: JCL> I knew I should have added an "in practice" there, but by the JCL> time I thought of that I got distracted by a phone call, hit JCL> send, and, well... Yeah, I knew you knew, JC. :) JCL> auto-bounce all Exchange connections upon receipt> Not a bad idea at all. -Barry From barry at zope.com Wed Jan 16 01:07:29 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:07:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons References: <15428.47531.652522.222508@anthem.wooz.org> <20020115155023.Q88110-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <15428.50241.711257.877478@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "aw" == alex wetmore writes: aw> Huh? Microsoft Exchange 2000 (you didn't specify a version, aw> assuming you are talking about the latest version) sends RFC aw> 1894 complaint NDRs. Dunno, but I'll have to look more closely when -admin at python.org gets an urecognizable bounce from an Exchange server. :) -Barry From mike at openconcept.ca Wed Jan 16 01:36:18 2002 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: 15 Jan 2002 19:36:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Sendmail' vs 'SMTPDirect' in RH7.2 RPM In-Reply-To: <15428.47032.522311.638299@anthem.wooz.org> References: <1011116358.2419.82.camel@office.openconcept.ca> <15428.47032.522311.638299@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <1011141379.3502.9.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hi Barry, Thanks for your response on this.. I was able to get Sendmail to send me mail, but didn't receive anything with SMTPDirect On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 18:14, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "MG" == Mike Gifford writes: > | That the RH7.2 rpm sets the default to: > | # DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' > | DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' > MG> So I just needed to switch this around and uncomment the > MG> Sendmail and I can now send messages without any difficulty.. > Except that you potentially open up security holes in your system. > 'Sendmail' is not secure because it uses the shell and the input > strings are not sanitized. Ok.. So I must have something else configured incorrectly.. This is the default RPM install: ##### # Delivery defaults ##### # Delivery module for the message pipeline. See # Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py for details. Unless overridden specifically # in that module, this handler is used for message delivery to the list, #and # to an individual user. This value must be a string naming a module in #the # Mailman.Handlers package. # # SECURITY WARNING: The Sendmail module is not secure! Please read the # comments in Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py for details. Use at your own # risk. # # DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single #SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 # Maximum number of simulatenous subthreads that will be used for SMTP # delivery. After the recipients list is chunked according to #SMTP_MAX_RCPTS, # each chunk is handed off to the smptd by a separate such thread. If #your # Python interpreter was not built for threads, this feature is #disabled. You # can explicitly disable it in all cases by setting MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS #to # 0. This feature is only supported with the SMTPDirect #DELIVERY_MODULE. # # NOTE: This is an experimental feature and limited testing shows that #it may # in fact degrade performance, possibly due to Python's global #interpreter # lock. Use with caution. MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0 # SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = 'localhost' SMTPPORT = 0 # default from smtplib # Command for direct command pipe delivery to sendmail compatible #program, # when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'Sendmail'. SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail' # Allow for handling of MTA-specific features (i.e. aliases). Most MTAs #use # "sendmail" (including Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim). Qmail uses the #"qmail" # style. MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail' # Set these variables if you need to authenticate to your NNTP server #for # Usenet posting or reading. If no authentication is necessary, specify #None # for both variables. NNTP_USERNAME = None NNTP_PASSWORD = None # Set this if you have an NNTP server you prefer gatewayed lists to use. DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = '' > MG> Jan 15 12:40:01 2002 gate_news(652): socket . error : (111, > MG> 'Connection refused') > This is a socket problem, and not specific to Mailman or Python. But why is it trying to access a news server? That's the best I can figure out here.. > MG> What is this supposed to do and how am I supposed to turn it > MG> off? > | Also, I still don't see why I'm getting this error: > | # ./check_perms > | Traceback (innermost last): > | File "./check_perms", line 50, in ? > | MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] > | TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation > | # cat /etc/group > | > | mailman:*:501:mailman,james,mike,keb,rgoyal,apache > > Try this: > > % python > >>> import grp > >>> grp.getgrgid(501) > [what does this print?] [mike at learningpartnership mike]$ python Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul 5 2001, 03:02:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> import grp >>> grp.getgrgid(501)('mailman', '*', 501, ['mailman', 'apache']) >>> Hope this helps.. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca Supporting progressive organizations in online campaigns and tools. Feature: Women's Learning Partnership http://learningpartnership.org Truth is that which confirms what we already believe. Northrop Frye From mislam at uillinois.edu Wed Jan 16 05:15:37 2002 From: mislam at uillinois.edu (Islam, Sharif) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:15:37 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 Message-ID: <258B1C4C80B3D511973B00D0B720E2D0AE0F@adminmail2.aiss.uic.edu> I just upgraded to Rh 7.2 and am getting the infamous error: Mailman error: post got bad listname: test 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 My web interface was working fine. However, i went ahead and did a ./config --with-mail-gid=2 then i started getting the cgi-error in the web and also the other error too. when i run ./wrapper post i get this : "Failuer to exec sript:WANTED Gid 2, Got GId 0. and in my web interface: "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 2, GOT gid 48. " Whats should be the correct gid? I tried this : "./configure --with-mail-gid=2 --with-cgi-gid=2 " Nothing happend. From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Jan 16 06:31:58 2002 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:31:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prefix Message-ID: I installed mailman in /chroot/home/mailman by using ./configure --prefix=/chroot/home/mailman but when I now try to access the list home page (listinfo) as directed by the mailman server I get "There is no such page domain/mailman/listinfo/test. What to do? mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even more so." From KUJALA at jylk.jyu.fi Wed Jan 16 07:31:42 2002 From: KUJALA at jylk.jyu.fi (Osmo Kujala) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:31:42 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman to another Machine In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:23:31 -0700" <3C449DD3.3F258CC5@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <01KD4S5RQRAC95MLVB@jylk.jyu.fi> Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: ... > ... if the paths are not the same on both machines, you'll have to > run ~mailman/bin/move_list on each list ... Move_list doesn't recreate public archive links (they have old path). This can be corrected by changing public archives private for a while. regards Osmo Kujala From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 16 08:11:01 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:11:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cant get into admin screen In-Reply-To: <3C44B24D.4050303@birddog.com> References: <3C44B24D.4050303@birddog.com> Message-ID: <02011602110108.08031@anncons.nc.rr.com> Check the ~mailman/locks/.. directory. If you have existing locks, look at the number on the end of the lock file and search your processes for that process number. ps aux Kill the processes that are running. Most likely you will have several lock files and only the last one will have an open process. It's possible that none of the processes are still running. Once you have killed all the processes, the delete the lock files in ~mailman/locks. Now try again to access the list via the web admin. If you are using IE v6.x then you might have problems again. I've been having trouble with IE v6.x on some of my lists. HtH, Jon Carnes On Tuesday 15 January 2002 17:50, tdavis at birddog.com wrote: > This is bothering me. I removed this list, not the archives. Added > back in. Tried getting to the admin page, can't. Like I said, I can > still get to any other lists' admin page. Help please as I need to do > some work to this list. :) From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 16 08:17:55 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update notification? In-Reply-To: <004c01c19e0d$944ca920$f3abfc9e@default> References: <004c01c19e0d$944ca920$f3abfc9e@default> Message-ID: <02011602175509.08031@anncons.nc.rr.com> This is not a feature of Mailman, however there are various services on the internet that do this. You can set it up yourself fairly easily using things like lynx and diff. Jon Carnes On Tuesday 15 January 2002 16:42, Tahnee Hutchens wrote: > Hi...I'm curious as to whether or not a mailing list can automatically > send an e-mail to its subscribers whenever a certain website is updated? > If so, how do I do that? ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 16 09:27:30 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:27:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: <3C449F24.403@birddog.com> References: <02ec01c19d56$bceb2580$0b04010a@JCARNES> <3C449F24.403@birddog.com> Message-ID: <0201160327300A.08031@anncons.nc.rr.com> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 16:29, tdavis at birddog.com wrote: > I was pondering this idea. Great idea it is too. > But is there a way to get the email address from the FROM headers rather > than have them explicity put it in the subject line ? > > I see a problem in the FROM headers where they can have a bunch of stuff > in there like name and whatever else like "Foo Bar " > > Any thoughts here? > Easy, use: UNSUB=`grep -i "From: " - |head -1 |tr "<>" " " ` The command tr is translate, and we're using it here to convert any < or > into a blank. The rest of the script then handles it from there, looking for an isolated string that has a @ inside it. BTW: A friend of mine came up with a more elegant solution for doing the unsubscribes... - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email: volleyball-unsub: "|/home/mailman/ext/v-unsub" - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext mkdir /home/mailman/ext chown mail /home/mailman/ext chmod 0700 /home/mailman/ext - In /home/mailman/ext create the script "v-unsub": #!/home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman # This script runs as user mailman, but is only executable by user mail # script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list # Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com # Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1` for i in $UNSUB do /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i done # End of script - Make the script executable: chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub - In the /etc/smrsh directory: ln -s /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub v-unsub - Copy and modify bash so that it runs as user mailman: cp /bin/bash /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman chown mailman.mailman /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman chmod 0555 /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman chmod u+s,g+s /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman === The directory /home/mailman/ext has rights such that only the mail user can access the files within. The copied version of "bash" now called "bash_mailman" has it's ownership changed to mailman and then has it's UID and GID bits set. Any script that runs using it as a shell will now run as the user mailman with group mailman. Wahoo! Jon Carnes From devdas at worldgatein.net Wed Jan 16 11:02:56 2002 From: devdas at worldgatein.net (Devdas Bhagat) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:32:56 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email In-Reply-To: <003b01c19dfa$a09ec8b0$a15c03cf@astcorp.com>; from twarfield@astcorp.com on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 01:27:10PM -0600 References: <003b01c19dfa$a09ec8b0$a15c03cf@astcorp.com> Message-ID: <20020116153256.H27325@rivendell.worldgatein.net> On 15/01/02 13:27 -0600, Tom Warfield wrote: > If I send a HTML email to the lists it sends it on perfectly fine to all > the list subscribers. But the footer that I want attached to all emails > sent to the list doesn't show up at all...not even in the source of the > email so im thinking it doesn't send it when you send HTML based email? It attaches the email. The email client does not show the footer, because it occurs after . See archives and FAQ. Devdas Bhagat From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Wed Jan 16 11:10:45 2002 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 16 Jan 2002 10:10:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman to take care of mailer-demons In-Reply-To: <15428.47531.652522.222508@anthem.wooz.org> References: <20020114142001.GA19779@wtf.dk> <019201c19d25$47f73a60$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020115125824.GB16604@wtf.dk> <00e501c19e01$d01864a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <9707.1011135534@kanga.nu> <15428.47531.652522.222508@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <1011175845.5749.13.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 23:22, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > A special place in hell is reserved for the authors of MSExchange who > not only decided to roll their own, but also made the brilliant > decision to include absolutely nothing in the bounce message which > even hints at the remotest morsel of a clue as to the intended > recipient. VERP to the rescue! They can have a cubicle next to that I've had reserved for the authors of Lotus notes (1995ish vintage) which should *never* have been allowed to send mail within 100 miles of an internet connected machine. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From paul at nfg.nl Wed Jan 16 12:27:09 2002 From: paul at nfg.nl (Paul J Stevens) Date: 16 Jan 2002 12:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated messages not in external archive Message-ID: <86vge2v8mq.fsf@nfg.nl> Hi all, Approved messages are not piped through the external archiver for some reason. Any clues anyone ?? The exact same setup works just fine when the list is set to unmoderated but fail to show up in the mhonarc archive when the list is set to moderated. I'm running a vanilla debian/stable (mailman 2.0b1) my mm_cfg.py reads: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/etc/mhonarc/filter %(listname)s" PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = "/etc/mhonarc/filter %(listname)s" and /etc/mhonarc/filters something like: #!/bin/sh listname=$1 outdir=/var/lib/mhonarc/$listname rcfile=/etc/mhonarc/$listname/rc LOG=/var/log/mhonarc/access.log ERR=/var/log/mhonarc/errror.log [ -e "$rcfile" ] || rcfile=/etc/mhonarc/rc-default [ -d "$outdir" ] || mkdir -p $outdir fix_perm() { outdir="$1" chmod -R go+rX $outdir chmod -R g+w $outdir } /usr/bin/mhonarc -quiet -add -rcfile $rcfile -outdir $outdir 1>$LOG 2>$ERR fix_perm $outdir regards, -- ________________________________________________________________ Paul Stevens mailto:paul at nfg.nl NET FACILITIES GROUP PGP: finger paul at nfg.nl The Netherlands________________________________http://www.nfg.nl From David.Vu at aarnet.edu.au Wed Jan 16 13:53:20 2002 From: David.Vu at aarnet.edu.au (David Vu) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:53:20 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question on Upgrading and Moving mailman Message-ID: Hello, I am planning to update mailman from 2.0beta5-3 to mailman-2.0.8-1 as well as moving the lists to another Red Hat Linux machine. Having read the FAQ, INSTALL and UPGRADING, I believe that I need to copy my ~mailman/lists, ~mailman/archives, and ~mailman/data from the old machine to the new machine. as well as adjust the aliases files where necessary. My question: is this sufficient? Is there any command I need to run, and/or other files I need to manual copy/merge? Many thanks for any help, David. From johnc at jdcmicro.com Wed Jan 16 14:28:18 2002 From: johnc at jdcmicro.com (John Crutcher) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with return email address Message-ID: Hello, I am new to Mailman and I am having trouble getting my return address correct for the list. I am running Mailman 2.0.8, and FreeBSD 4.0. All the E-Mail sent from the Mailman server has the wrong mail server address list at server.SOMETHING.COM . The computer name is "server" and is running DNS, but where is Mailman getting the upper case "SOMETHING.COM"? The same computer is running a mail server and I am hosting multiple domains with no problem. Any ideas? Thanks, John Crutcher johnc at jdcmicro.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020116/2941ee39/attachment.html From johnc at jdcmicro.com Wed Jan 16 14:48:58 2002 From: johnc at jdcmicro.com (John Crutcher) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:48:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with return E-mail address from Mailman Message-ID: Hello, I am new to Mailman and I am having trouble getting my return address correct for the list. I am running Mailman 2.0.8, and FreeBSD 4.0. All the E-Mail sent from the Mailman server has the wrong mail server address list at server.SOMETHING.COM . The computer name is "server" and is running DNS, but where is Mailman getting the upper case "SOMETHING.COM"? The same computer is running a mail server and I am hosting multiple domains with no problem. Any ideas? Thanks, John Crutcher johnc at jdcmicro.com From devdas at worldgatein.net Wed Jan 16 15:16:26 2002 From: devdas at worldgatein.net (Devdas Bhagat) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:46:26 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with return email address In-Reply-To: ; from johnc@jdcmicro.com on Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 08:28:18AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20020116194626.B28114@rivendell.worldgatein.net> On 16/01/02 08:28 -0500, John Crutcher wrote: > list at server.SOMETHING.COM . The computer name is "server" and is running > DNS, but where is Mailman getting the upper case "SOMETHING.COM"? The same Maybe your mail server is appending the SOMETHING.COM? Or a setting in mm_cfg.py for hostname? Devdas Bhagat From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Jan 16 15:41:17 2002 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prefix Message-ID: vizisz at freemail.hu writes: Hello, Martin Skjoldebrand writes: > I installed mailman in /chroot/home/mailman by using > ./configure --prefix=/chroot/home/mailman but when I now > try to access the list home page (listinfo) as directed by > the mailman server I get "There is no such page > domain/mailman/listinfo/test. You are probably forgot to set up the ScriptAlias in the Apache conf file. Read INSTALL, section 4. "Final system set-up" [...] in the /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf put: ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ Sounded like a good idea. Sadly though, it was incorrect. I had added the ScriptAlias. mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even more so." From twarfield at astcorp.com Wed Jan 16 16:26:01 2002 From: twarfield at astcorp.com (Tom Warfield) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:26:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email In-Reply-To: <20020116153256.H27325@rivendell.worldgatein.net> Message-ID: <000201c19ea2$1b2a92b0$a15c03cf@astcorp.com> Okay I have checked the FAQ's about this and see nothing on it, which I had done the first time before I posted. Now as for the archives, question for the masses...how do you effectively search the archives? I mean they are not posted to the website so that you can search them, which is very frustrating if you ask me. I guess were suppose to read every email there is. But anyways back to this problem with HTML Email. I have received 4 emails from different people, and all of them are asking me basically "If you figure this out please let me know because I haven't figured it out either and it is kind of frustrating". I agree with them, but still have not found a fix to this issue myself. If you are using this in the manner in which we are, which is to send out informative newsletters to our customers and members of our organization, then anytime you can make something flashy it gets there attention better then just plain text. So now I am faced with this question. Is this a new feature or is this a bug fix that needs to be reported? I found that it does try and attach the footer, but since it is an HTML email it attaches the footer at the bottom of the message which is the wrong place. It should be attaching itself before the and in proper HTML format as well. So is this a bugfix or a new feature request? Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Devdas Bhagat Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:03 AM To: Tom Warfield Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email On 15/01/02 13:27 -0600, Tom Warfield wrote: > If I send a HTML email to the lists it sends it on perfectly fine to all > the list subscribers. But the footer that I want attached to all emails > sent to the list doesn't show up at all...not even in the source of the > email so im thinking it doesn't send it when you send HTML based email? It attaches the email. The email client does not show the footer, because it occurs after . See archives and FAQ. Devdas Bhagat ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rclayton at aprisma.com Wed Jan 16 16:38:39 2002 From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert (Bob)) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:38:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce message issues Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F80683748D@amt-exc1.aprisma.com> I am hoping that someone can help me out here. I am running version 2.0.8 of Mailman and just discovered that bounce messages are not getting processed. Basically, a group of people from a company that is no longer alive were in my maillist. Sending an email thru standard email bounces undeliverable. However, in Mailman, I understand these accounts are supposed to be moved to nomail status. There in lays the problem, they are staying as is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Bob Clayton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020116/66ef51b8/attachment.htm From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Wed Jan 16 16:51:14 2002 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:51:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] script to suscribe... Message-ID: <20020116155114.37843.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there!!!! Does anyone have a script to subscribe many counts and don?t use the interface, i neeed to subscribe 350 users in a list....as you can imagine i can?t use the gui.... Thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Jan 16 17:05:38 2002 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:05:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prefix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: benny at bennyvision.com writes: > >On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Martin Skjoldebrand wrote: > >> You are probably forgot to set up the ScriptAlias in the >> Apache >> conf file. >> >> Sounded like a good idea. Sadly though, it was incorrect. >> I had added the ScriptAlias. > >Hello Martin, > > What does your Apache error_log file think about >the URL you're trying to access? That should give you >some more hints about what's wrong... > Of course, looks like mailman simply isn't creating anything in either domain/mailman/listinfo or domain/mailman/admin. mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even more so." From benny at bennyvision.com Wed Jan 16 17:08:16 2002 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:08:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] prefix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Martin Skjoldebrand wrote: > > What does your Apache error_log file think about > >the URL you're trying to access? That should give you > >some more hints about what's wrong... > > > > Of course, looks like mailman simply isn't creating > anything in either domain/mailman/listinfo or > domain/mailman/admin. Both listinfo and admin are binaries... Is Apache set up to execute CGI's from the ~mailman/cgi-bin directory? Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. --Rules of the Air, #8 From mislam at uillinois.edu Wed Jan 16 17:12:29 2002 From: mislam at uillinois.edu (Islam, Sharif) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:12:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 Message-ID: <258B1C4C80B3D511973B00D0B720E2D0AE12@adminmail2.aiss.uic.edu> Thanks for the helpful replies. I tried this ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=48 now, my web interface is back. However if I run ./wrapper post i get the same error : "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?)" this is from my /etc/passwd mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail: mailnull:x:47:47::/var/spool/mqueue:/dev/null mailman:x:502:502::/home/mailman:/bin/bash So now web interface works, i guess the cgi id was ok. Now i have to fix the mail part. -Sharif -----Original Message----- From: Islam, Sharif [mailto:mislam at uillinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:16 PM To: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 I just upgraded to Rh 7.2 and am getting the infamous error: Mailman error: post got bad listname: test 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 My web interface was working fine. However, i went ahead and did a ./config --with-mail-gid=2 then i started getting the cgi-error in the web and also the other error too. when i run ./wrapper post i get this : "Failuer to exec sript:WANTED Gid 2, Got GId 0. and in my web interface: "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 2, GOT gid 48. " Whats should be the correct gid? I tried this : "./configure --with-mail-gid=2 --with-cgi-gid=2 " Nothing happend. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Jan 16 17:15:08 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:15:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] script to suscribe... In-Reply-To: <20020116155114.37843.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020116155114.37843.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02011611150805.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com> Use the command line from the console: ~mailman/bin/add_members -n filename -w y mylistname For help on "add_members" use: add_members -h Jon Carnes On Wednesday 16 January 2002 10:51, Alex Sammons wrote: > Hi there!!!! > > Does anyone have a script to subscribe many counts > and don?t use the interface, i neeed to subscribe 350 > users in a list....as you can imagine i can?t use the > gui.... > > Thanks. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos > http://autos.yahoo.com.mx > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Jan 16 17:19:35 2002 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:19:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prefix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: benny at bennyvision.com writes: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Martin Skjoldebrand wrote: > > What does your Apache error_log file think about > >the URL you're trying to access? That should give you > >some more hints about what's wrong... > > > > Of course, looks like mailman simply isn't creating > anything in either domain/mailman/listinfo or > domain/mailman/admin. Both listinfo and admin are binaries... Is Apache set up to execute CGI's from the ~mailman/cgi-bin directory? I've got ScriptAliases /mailman/ /chroot/home/mailman/cgi-bin/ . . . in my httpd.conf mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even more so." From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Wed Jan 16 17:23:26 2002 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:23:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prefix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: benny at bennyvision.com writes: > >On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Martin Skjoldebrand wrote: > >> > What does your Apache error_log file think about >> >the URL you're trying to access? That should give you >> >some more hints about what's wrong... >> > >> >> Of course, looks like mailman simply isn't creating >> anything in either domain/mailman/listinfo or >> domain/mailman/admin. > >Both listinfo and admin are binaries... Is Apache set >up to execute CGI's from the ~mailman/cgi-bin directory? Apologies if this is duplicate: I've got /mailman/ /chroot/home/mailman/cgi-bin/ in my ScriptAliases section of httpd.conf mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even more so." From sebold at lcms.org Wed Jan 16 17:29:54 2002 From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:29:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] script to suscribe... In-Reply-To: <20020116155114.37843.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> (Alex Sammons's message of "Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:51:14 -0600 (CST)") References: <20020116155114.37843.qmail@web14912.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87vge2l0n1.fsf@sebold.lcms.org> On 3 Shevat 5762, Alex Sammons wrote: > Does anyone have a script to subscribe many counts > and don't use the interface, i neeed to subscribe 350 > users in a list....as you can imagine i can't use the > gui.... Mailman comes with a script to do just that (if you are the site admin). Try add_members. This can be found on the "site administrators" documentation on list.org. -- Charles Sebold 3rd of Shevat, 5762 LCMS - Office of Information Systems http://unix.ois.org/ *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily *** *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod *** From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 16 18:09:15 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:09:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email References: <000201c19ea2$1b2a92b0$a15c03cf@astcorp.com> Message-ID: <3C45B3BB.18994A22@pcraft.com> Tom Warfield wrote: > So now I am faced with this question. Is this a new feature or is this > a bug fix that needs to be reported? I found that it does try and > attach the footer, but since it is an HTML email it attaches the footer > at the bottom of the message which is the wrong place. It should be > attaching itself before the and in proper HTML format as well. You're asking mailman to open up the HTML mail, read the last few lines to determine where the closing tag is and insert a footer right above that. This is, of course, assuming the original mail was already written properly (_with_ the closing tag). It's also assuming someone's not doing some fancy footwork and creating frames, tables or what not in their post, just to attach your footer to it. I'm not saying this is impossible to do, however don't you think it's a bit much to ask from a list program? Yes, it would be a nice feature if it could do that, but really, how many people using mailman actually use it for HTML mail? Considering how many people scream up and down about HTML mail, and some readers that still don't support HTML mail...do you really want to go there? I run several lists on my servers, and of the several thousand subscribers I have, perhaps 1% has HTML enabled - even so, no one posts in HTML. My 2 cents. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 16 18:11:12 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:11:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce message issues References: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F80683748D@amt-exc1.aprisma.com> Message-ID: <3C45B430.B60730C9@pcraft.com> "Clayton, Robert (Bob)" wrote: > I am hoping that someone can help me out here. I am running version 2.0.8 of Mailman and just discovered that bounce messages are not getting processed. Basically, a group of people from a company that is no longer alive were in my maillist. Sending an email thru standard email bounces undeliverable. However, in Mailman, I understand these accounts are supposed to be moved to nomail status. There in lays the problem, they are staying as is. Please refrain from posting in HTML. Bounce messages aren't instantly removed. Mailman has settings on the Bounce Options page to determine when someone should be removed. You might want to check those out. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Wed Jan 16 18:22:36 2002 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:22:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with INSTALL Step 4 In-Reply-To: <20020115115930.C57019-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <20020116111653.X911-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> I toasted a power supply. Back online now. Over the past day I performed the following actions: added lines into /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf These were based off the ones Darren suggested %crontab -u mailman /home/mailman/cron/crontab.in %/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl restart %cd /home/mailman/bin %run newlist modified /etc/aliases accordingly %newaliases %postfix reload %mv mm_cfg.py mm_cfg.py.bak %cp Defaults.py mm_cfg.py #saw that hostnames were correct %/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl restart My new list called test seemed to create without problem. I got the e-mail sent to me from mailman-owner confirming me of my new mailing list. but the web addresses don't work. What is worse is that the web documents I had at one time are no longer displayed, but instead I get the apache test screen. Does anybody know what is going on? On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Tim Legg wrote: > ---- > This thread was formally titled as below. I thought it was vague, so > here continues my quest for mailman. > ---- > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I don't really know what is right or wrong > > Here is my update to everybody out there who has helped me. Everybody's > info was very helpful! > > I have apache and postfix successfully installed on my FreeBSD 4.4 box. > > * I rm'd all files/directories pertaining to mailman from /home/mailman > * I created /usr/local/src/mailman and de-arc'd the tar file to that > directory > * make clean didn't work, but I think that had something to do with me > deleting a bunch of stuff in the first step. > * I ran ./configure in /usr/local/src/mailman > I found out that my mailman is GID=999 UID=1003 > I found out that my postfix is GID=1003 UID=1002 > I didn't enter any parameters into ./configure since > I wasn't sure how it would handle them. > * make install - went uneventfully > * /home/mailman/bin/check_perms - No Problems > > So it appears that steps 1-3 in the INSTALL were successfully completed. > I couldn't have done it without your help. > > I am still unsure about how to proceed with step 4. I am not incredibly > familiar with Apache and I have absolutely no experience with cgi-bin yet. > I have not yet any experience with cron/crontab either. To tell you the > truth, I am afraid to proceed any further since I am afraid I might screw > up and have to start all over again. > > I am not sure if I should just jump right in and modify my > apache/httpd.conf script like Darren recommended last week. If anybody > has suggestions about how I should continue, please let me know. > > I have saved all my e-mails from this list for a month back, so feel free > to refer to others e-mails. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From rclayton at aprisma.com Wed Jan 16 18:26:29 2002 From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert (Bob)) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:26:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce message issues Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F806837493@amt-exc1.aprisma.com> Sorry that my original message was html, normally I convert before sending... I checked the bounce settings, I also checked the bounce log. It appears as though the bounce feature was meant more for hotmail or other non standard mail types . It seems to me there would be a less convoluted way of handling these. As it stands now the nomail is qualified by x times per hour for y amount of days. Seems very inefficient Bob -----Original Message----- From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:11 PM To: Clayton, Robert (Bob); Mailman Mailing List Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce message issues "Clayton, Robert (Bob)" wrote: > I am hoping that someone can help me out here. I am running version 2.0.8 of Mailman and just discovered that bounce messages are not getting processed. Basically, a group of people from a company that is no longer alive were in my maillist. Sending an email thru standard email bounces undeliverable. However, in Mailman, I understand these accounts are supposed to be moved to nomail status. There in lays the problem, they are staying as is. Please refrain from posting in HTML. Bounce messages aren't instantly removed. Mailman has settings on the Bounce Options page to determine when someone should be removed. You might want to check those out. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ap at tecnohost.com Wed Jan 16 18:21:47 2002 From: ap at tecnohost.com (Ana Paula) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:21:47 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper does not exist in mailman-2.1a4 ??? Message-ID: <20020116151958.4710.AP@tecnohost.com> I have installed mailman-2.1a4 from CVS and all appears to work ok, but now, I send a message to the list and I get the follow error: -------- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at myhost.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : preline: fatal: unable to run /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: file does not exist --- Below this line is a copy of the message. --------- My system is RedHat 7.2 and my MTA is qmail+vpopmail. Note: all Mailman older versions allways works very well with me, except this. Note too: [root at myhost mailman]# ls -la /home/mailman/mail total 48 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 16 15:15 . drwxrwsr-x 21 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 15 01:28 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 38863 Jan 16 15:15 mailman -- Ana Paula From paland at stetson.edu Wed Jan 16 18:46:15 2002 From: paland at stetson.edu (Patrick Aland) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:46:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass unsubscribe Message-ID: <20020116124612.X12829@stetson.edu> has any work been done on a mass unsubscribe function? We have a couple lists of 1000+ members that are repopulated monthly and its a hassle to have them call me so I can do a remove_members on the list. We're running 2.0.1 Thanks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Aland paland at stetson.edu Network Administrator Voice: 386.822.7217 Stetson University Fax: 386.822.7367 ------------------------------------------------------------ From jon at csh.rit.edu Wed Jan 16 18:51:04 2002 From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:51:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper does not exist in mailman-2.1a4 ??? In-Reply-To: <20020116151958.4710.AP@tecnohost.com> References: <20020116151958.4710.AP@tecnohost.com> Message-ID: <20020116175104.GA13251@csh.rit.edu> On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 03:21:47PM -0200, Ana Paula wrote: > I have installed mailman-2.1a4 from CVS and all > appears to work ok, but now, I send a message to the > list and I get the follow error: [snip] > : > preline: fatal: unable to > run /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: file does not exist s/wrapper/mailman/ > [root at myhost mailman]# ls -la /home/mailman/mail > total 48 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Jan 16 15:15 . > drwxrwsr-x 21 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 15 01:28 .. > -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 38863 Jan 16 15:15 mailman -- Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) . Information Technology (2001) http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 16 18:51:27 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:51:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce message issues References: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F806837493@amt-exc1.aprisma.com> Message-ID: <3C45BD9F.54F663B0@pcraft.com> "Clayton, Robert (Bob)" wrote: > It seems to me there would be a less convoluted way of handling these. As it stands now the nomail is qualified by x times per hour for y amount of days. Seems very inefficient You can always change them. :) The reason I agree with the current setup is that sometimes someone's server just goes offline for a while, and if during that period x messages get send in an hour, we don't necessarily want to set them instantly to nomail - but rather let it "slide"... However, if they stay down for y days, then we'll change them. Keep in mind that your MTA also contributes to this time frame. For example, if you were running sendmail, and if the bounce message was just a time-out, or host rejected (not unknown user, or other fatal error), sendmail will by default retry messages for a while (several days at that) - factor this in with the way mailman decided when to change someone's subscription, you may end up with messages in the queue that are several days, maybe weeks old before anything gets done with them. I personally have changed both my outbound MTA to report back after 6 hours, and to cancel after 48 hours, as well as mailman. It now changes people's subscription in a more aggressive mode (as opposed to the default settings). -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ap at tecnohost.com Wed Jan 16 18:50:35 2002 From: ap at tecnohost.com (Ana Paula) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:50:35 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper does not exist in mailman-2.1a4 ??? In-Reply-To: <20020116175104.GA13251@csh.rit.edu> References: <20020116151958.4710.AP@tecnohost.com> <20020116175104.GA13251@csh.rit.edu> Message-ID: <20020116154938.4713.AP@tecnohost.com> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:51:04 -0500 Jon Parise wrote: > > : > > preline: fatal: unable to > > run /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: file does not exist > > s/wrapper/mailman/ > > Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) . Information Technology (2001) > http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member Sorry, but I don't understand what you want to say with: s/wrapper/mailman/ -- Ana Paula From jon at csh.rit.edu Wed Jan 16 18:58:47 2002 From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:58:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper does not exist in mailman-2.1a4 ??? In-Reply-To: <20020116154938.4713.AP@tecnohost.com> References: <20020116151958.4710.AP@tecnohost.com> <20020116175104.GA13251@csh.rit.edu> <20020116154938.4713.AP@tecnohost.com> Message-ID: <20020116175847.GB13251@csh.rit.edu> On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 03:50:35PM -0200, Ana Paula wrote: > > > run /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: file does not exist > > > > s/wrapper/mailman/ > > Sorry, but I don't understand what you want to say with: > s/wrapper/mailman/ Replace /home/mailman/mail/wrapper with /home/mailman/mail/mailman in your aliases file. -- Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) . Information Technology (2001) http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member From ap at tecnohost.com Wed Jan 16 18:59:49 2002 From: ap at tecnohost.com (Ana Paula) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:59:49 -0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper does not exist in mailman-2.1a4 ??? In-Reply-To: <20020116175847.GB13251@csh.rit.edu> References: <20020116154938.4713.AP@tecnohost.com> <20020116175847.GB13251@csh.rit.edu> Message-ID: <20020116155839.471A.AP@tecnohost.com> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:58:47 -0500 Jon Parise wrote: > > Sorry, but I don't understand what you want to say with: > > s/wrapper/mailman/ > > Replace /home/mailman/mail/wrapper with > /home/mailman/mail/mailman in your aliases file. > > Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) . Information Technology (2001) > http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member Thank you very, very, very much ! You save my life for all eternity ! ;-) Now, all it?s working ! -- Ana Paula From rclayton at aprisma.com Wed Jan 16 19:13:02 2002 From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert (Bob)) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:13:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Threading Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F806837496@amt-exc1.aprisma.com> Has anyone else experienced issues with mail from outlook users not threading? I have users that use Netscape threading a message fine. However, users that use Outlook, become messages unlinked to the original message, so in the web interface they are all at one level. thanks in advance for input... Bob From mislam at uillinois.edu Wed Jan 16 20:52:58 2002 From: mislam at uillinois.edu (Islam, Sharif) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:52:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 Message-ID: <258B1C4C80B3D511973B00D0B720E2D0AE14@adminmail2.aiss.uic.edu> Can anyone give some more hints? I did several make clean and configure , but no luck. Am i missing something really obvious? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Islam, Sharif [mailto:mislam at uillinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:12 AM To: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 Thanks for the helpful replies. I tried this ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=48 now, my web interface is back. However if I run ./wrapper post i get the same error : "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?)" this is from my /etc/passwd mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail: mailnull:x:47:47::/var/spool/mqueue:/dev/null mailman:x:502:502::/home/mailman:/bin/bash So now web interface works, i guess the cgi id was ok. Now i have to fix the mail part. -Sharif -----Original Message----- From: Islam, Sharif [mailto:mislam at uillinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:16 PM To: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 I just upgraded to Rh 7.2 and am getting the infamous error: Mailman error: post got bad listname: test 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 My web interface was working fine. However, i went ahead and did a ./config --with-mail-gid=2 then i started getting the cgi-error in the web and also the other error too. when i run ./wrapper post i get this : "Failuer to exec sript:WANTED Gid 2, Got GId 0. and in my web interface: "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 2, GOT gid 48. " Whats should be the correct gid? I tried this : "./configure --with-mail-gid=2 --with-cgi-gid=2 " Nothing happend. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Wed Jan 16 20:49:37 2002 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:49:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass unsubscribe References: <20020116124612.X12829@stetson.edu> Message-ID: <3C45D951.9D0CA9BE@utopia.west.sun.com> Patrick Aland wrote: > > has any work been done on a mass unsubscribe function? > > We have a couple lists of 1000+ members that are repopulated monthly and > its a hassle to have them call me so I can do a remove_members on the > list. > > We're running 2.0.1 So, first of all, you can use bin/list_members to get the list, and then send that to bin/remove_members, so...why do they need to "call" you? Second, a web-admin-interface mass-unsubscribe is part of 2.1. From gary at gdma.com Wed Jan 16 21:04:59 2002 From: gary at gdma.com (Gary McClellan) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:04:59 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Effect of mm_cfg.py changes Message-ID: <200201162005.g0GK50Fi027043@gdma.com> When do the mm_cfg.py changes take place? I set up several lists, then modified mm_cfg.py to increase the number of people displayed in Membership Management from 30 to 300. That change did not seem to take. I then created some additional lists and the change shows up in the new lists but not in the old lists. How can I make that change apply to 'older' lists? From paland at stetson.edu Wed Jan 16 21:07:46 2002 From: paland at stetson.edu (Patrick Aland) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:07:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass unsubscribe Message-ID: <20020116150745.C12829@stetson.edu> Maybe I didn't state the problem right. I am the site admin. I admin mailman for our 200 or so mailing lists. We have a couple lists that are moderated by other people. These lists get repopulated almost every month. When they want to repopulate the lists they ask me to remove all the members of the list since doing it themselves would take all day for 4 thousand people. Thus my request for a way for them to be able to unsub everyone from their list without having to call me to do it. I am not calling myself to unsubscribe lists, as your reply seems to imply. --patrick On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 11:49:37AM -0800, Dan Mick wrote: > > So, first of all, you can use bin/list_members to get the list, and > then send that to bin/remove_members, so...why do they need to "call" you? > > Second, a web-admin-interface mass-unsubscribe is part of 2.1. -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Aland paland at stetson.edu Network Administrator Voice: 386.822.7217 Stetson University Fax: 386.822.7367 ------------------------------------------------------------ From webmaster at freespeech.org Wed Jan 16 21:43:30 2002 From: webmaster at freespeech.org (Aaron M Daley) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:43:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe/unsubscribe date retrieval Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020116134229.00ae9a08@mail.freespeech.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020116/dba2be40/attachment.html From claw at kanga.nu Wed Jan 16 21:45:41 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:45:41 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Message from Patrick Aland of "Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:07:46 EST." <20020116150745.C12829@stetson.edu> References: <20020116150745.C12829@stetson.edu> Message-ID: <15522.1011213941@kanga.nu> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:07:46 -0500 Patrick Aland wrote: > When they want to repopulate the lists they ask me to remove all > the members of the list since doing it themselves would take all > day for 4 thousand people. Just wrap a script around ~mailman/bin/list_members and ~mailman/bin/remove_members. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From tdavis at birddog.com Wed Jan 16 21:45:39 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:45:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create list via web Message-ID: <3C45E673.7080109@birddog.com> Excuse me if this is obvious. Is there a way to create/delete a list via a webpage? I am not seeing these options. Thank you -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From koto at mynetix.de Wed Jan 16 22:22:42 2002 From: koto at mynetix.de (Andreas Kotowicz) Date: 16 Jan 2002 22:22:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem Message-ID: <1011216163.2297.23.camel@monster.koto.lan> hi, i was looking in the archive for this problem and have just found some postings from 1999 that didn't satisfy me. so here again: i have a mailinglist list at sub1.domain.com. sending mails to this email address works great as does sending mails to list at domain.com. this is a sendmail problem i know, but i really don't see how to designate a list to a specific domain. if you want to make list called list at sub2.domain.com later, you can't use list as a name either. anyone with some good hints? thanks andreas From alex at phred.org Wed Jan 16 22:39:33 2002 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:39:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem In-Reply-To: <1011216163.2297.23.camel@monster.koto.lan> Message-ID: <20020116133903.L88110-100000@phred.org> On 16 Jan 2002, Andreas Kotowicz wrote: > i have a mailinglist list at sub1.domain.com. sending mails to this email > address works great as does sending mails to list at domain.com. this is a > sendmail problem i know, but i really don't see how to designate a list > to a specific domain. if you want to make list called > list at sub2.domain.com later, you can't use list as a name either. You can install mailman twice, in two different directories. Use one installation for one domain, and one for the other domain. Or you can pick names which are unique across all of the domains. alex From jonc at haht.com Wed Jan 16 22:42:33 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:42:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Effect of mm_cfg.py changes References: <200201162005.g0GK50Fi027043@gdma.com> Message-ID: <018c01c19ed6$b509e8c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> some effects of mm_cfg are immediate, but the parts that act as defaults to the list are incorporated into the list when it is created. You will have to change already created lists individually. You can do this via the command line or via the web-admin. Check out the archives for some very clever way of making mass changes via the command line - might even be in the FAQ (if not it should be!). Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McClellan" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Effect of mm_cfg.py changes > When do the mm_cfg.py changes take place? I set up several lists, then > modified mm_cfg.py to increase the number of people displayed in Membership > Management from 30 to 300. That change did not seem to take. I then created > some additional lists and the change shows up in the new lists but not in the > old lists. > > How can I make that change apply to 'older' lists? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Wed Jan 16 22:43:52 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create list via web References: <3C45E673.7080109@birddog.com> Message-ID: <019f01c19ed6$e42d2b80$0b04010a@JCARNES> Not available in current versions, but will be in the v2.1 (still alpha). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Davis" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] create list via web > Excuse me if this is obvious. Is there a way to create/delete a list > via a webpage? I am not seeing these options. > > Thank you > > -- > Terry Davis > Systems Administrator > BirdDog Solutions, Inc. > (402) 829-6059 > www.birddog.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From koto at mynetix.de Wed Jan 16 22:48:08 2002 From: koto at mynetix.de (Andreas Kotowicz) Date: 16 Jan 2002 22:48:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem In-Reply-To: <20020116133903.L88110-100000@phred.org> References: <20020116133903.L88110-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <1011217692.2297.34.camel@monster.koto.lan> On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 22:39, alex wetmore wrote: > You can install mailman twice, in two different directories. Use one > installation for one domain, and one for the other domain. I don't like that because that would mean I have to install mailman for every single subdomain (that wants to have a mailing list) as well. picking unique names isn't flexible. I tought (better said: read in old postings) that mailman v.2 was going to have virtual domain support. so what happend to that? andreas From koto at mynetix.de Wed Jan 16 22:55:45 2002 From: koto at mynetix.de (Andreas Kotowicz) Date: 16 Jan 2002 22:55:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem In-Reply-To: <20020116134732.O88110-100000@phred.org> References: <20020116134732.O88110-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <1011218145.2297.39.camel@monster.koto.lan> On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 22:48, alex wetmore wrote: > > Only for subdomains that have mailing lists with competing names. I > host lists on three subdomains using one copy of mailman. are you using sendmail? let's say you have a list that listens to the name testlist at sub.domain.com. what happens if you send an email to testlist at domain.com? do you get an error message that this address doesn't exist? or does the email get delivered to that list anyway? that's what it's not supposed to do. if you do get an error - how did you configure sendmail to distinguish between the domains? andreas From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 16 23:08:24 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:08:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem References: <20020116133903.L88110-100000@phred.org> <1011217692.2297.34.camel@monster.koto.lan> Message-ID: <3C45F9D7.F3911EF2@pcraft.com> Andreas Kotowicz wrote: > I don't like that because that would mean I have to install mailman for > every single subdomain (that wants to have a mailing list) as well. > picking unique names isn't flexible. Why unique names? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From alex at phred.org Wed Jan 16 23:09:27 2002 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:09:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem In-Reply-To: <1011218145.2297.39.camel@monster.koto.lan> Message-ID: <20020116140719.E88110-100000@phred.org> On 16 Jan 2002, Andreas Kotowicz wrote: > On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 22:48, alex wetmore wrote: > > Only for subdomains that have mailing lists with competing names. I > > host lists on three subdomains using one copy of mailman. > > are you using sendmail? let's say you have a list that listens to the > name testlist at sub.domain.com. what happens if you send an email to > testlist at domain.com? do you get an error message that this address > doesn't exist? or does the email get delivered to that list anyway? > that's what it's not supposed to do. > > if you do get an error - how did you configure sendmail to distinguish > between the domains? First of all, please don't send my private email back to a public forum. That is incredibly rude. No, I don't use sendmail. My incoming mail is handled by postfix. In your example above, yes, the mail would go to domain.com. This has never bothered me, and if it did I'm sure I could reconfigure postfix (or sendmail) to only allow email to the list if it was sent to the correct domain. alex From koto at mynetix.de Wed Jan 16 23:16:32 2002 From: koto at mynetix.de (Andreas Kotowicz) Date: 16 Jan 2002 23:16:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem In-Reply-To: <20020116140719.E88110-100000@phred.org> References: <20020116140719.E88110-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <1011219393.2296.64.camel@monster.koto.lan> On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 23:09, alex wetmore wrote: > First of all, please don't send my private email back to a public > forum. That is incredibly rude. I'm really sorry. I didn't think about that. > > No, I don't use sendmail. My incoming mail is handled by postfix. In > your example above, yes, the mail would go to domain.com. This has > never bothered me, and if it did I'm sure I could reconfigure postfix > (or sendmail) to only allow email to the list if it was sent to the > correct domain. anyone has a solution for that? andreas From kd5de at nwla.com Wed Jan 16 23:22:33 2002 From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem References: <20020116140719.E88110-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <3C45FD29.63E77AFA@nwla.com> First of all when you reply to the list the mailman-user list is configured to reply by default to sender. Therefore if one doesn't reply all this happens. I have 14 mailman list using 2.08 and sendmail spanning 3 domains with one mailman install. It is done using vitual users under sendmail. No sweat and no problems. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 -------------------------- From claw at kanga.nu Wed Jan 16 23:30:57 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:30:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem In-Reply-To: Message from Andreas Kotowicz of "16 Jan 2002 22:48:08 +0100." <1011217692.2297.34.camel@monster.koto.lan> References: <20020116133903.L88110-100000@phred.org> <1011217692.2297.34.camel@monster.koto.lan> Message-ID: <17467.1011220257@kanga.nu> On 16 Jan 2002 22:48:08 +0100 Andreas Kotowicz wrote: > I tought (better said: read in old postings) that mailman v.2 was > going to have virtual domain support. so what happend to that? It does have virtual domain support -- with the limit that no two domains may have identically named lists. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Wed Jan 16 23:32:25 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:32:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" of "Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:08:24 MST." <3C45F9D7.F3911EF2@pcraft.com> References: <20020116133903.L88110-100000@phred.org> <1011217692.2297.34.camel@monster.koto.lan> <3C45F9D7.F3911EF2@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <17495.1011220345@kanga.nu> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:08:24 -0700 Ashley M Kirchner wrote: > Why unique names? They map to directories in ~/lists. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From colin at mackinlay.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 15 01:09:06 2002 From: colin at mackinlay.demon.co.uk (Colin Mackinlay) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] RH 7.2 RPM Install Question on RH. - Access Forbiden to Web Page In-Reply-To: <1011044426.13443.26.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Message-ID: In on Mon 14 Jan, Mike Gifford wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to set up mailman on a RH system, but get the following error > 403: > > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /mailman/ on this server. > Isn't this because you have just accessed /mailman/ which does not specifiy the command you want to run. What happens if you access /mailman/admin ? -- Colin Mackinlay From p.lord at russet.org.uk Tue Jan 15 19:01:27 2002 From: p.lord at russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Date: 15 Jan 2002 18:01:27 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confused about admin addresses Message-ID: I'm a little confused about the admin addresses for mailman. I want to set this so that I can filter the admin email for the several mailing lists which I control into a different mail box. The problem is that some admin email is going to one address, and so to another. In detail, I've set up the list admin address under general options to "listadmin at russet.org.uk". This seems to be working fine as, for instance, subscription notification messages are indeed going to this address. However moderation requests (due to oversize messages), are going to the "listname-admin at russet.org.uk". Now of course I can set up multiple addresses in my mail filtering, but I thought it would be easier just to have one. What option do I have to change to get these moderation requests to go to "listadmin" therefore? Thanks Phil From roman.zajic at brain-systems.com Wed Jan 16 15:35:19 2002 From: roman.zajic at brain-systems.com (Roman Zajic) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:35:19 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to save edited text when approving message ? Message-ID: <3C458FA7.1040202@brain-systems.com> Hello everybody, I'm using Mailman version 2.0.5 and opposite Majordomo's behaviour I'm not able to save edited mail message when approve ;( During approval process I can't modify message; The message is sent to mail-list unchanged :( Does anybody know anything about this mailman's disadvantage ? Isn't there any solution about this ? Thanks for any Re: Roman Zajic. From vd at netvisao.pt Wed Jan 16 17:32:44 2002 From: vd at netvisao.pt (Vitor Domingos) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:32:44 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail help Message-ID: <012001c19eab$73b543e0$81a788c1@morpheus> Where can i find more information about pipermail ? I want to protect public archives folder of mailman with .htaccess. Does anyone know how could i do that ? -- Cheers, Vitor Domingos From info at fremd-online.de Wed Jan 16 18:56:48 2002 From: info at fremd-online.de (Uli Fremd) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:56:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman in german language Message-ID: hello, my webhostprovider gives me mailman in my webspacepackage. is it possible to get the mailman admin and all mailman features with german language? Sorry for my bad english Uli From mdickerson at officeonweb.net Wed Jan 16 21:18:28 2002 From: mdickerson at officeonweb.net (mdickerson at officeonweb.net) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper program not working properly ?? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020116131828.01361290@officeonweb.net> Sorry if this has been answered before... I'm using Mailman 2.0.8 w/ postfix on freebsd 4.5 PRE-. I have set up a test list. All functions appear to work via the web interface. The problem is that none of the email subscriptions, posts, confirmations, etc. via email are working. They are getting to the server as verified by /var/log/maillog: Jan 16 13:05:22 lists postfix/local[37774]: D945789D7B: to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2") This should verify that I have properly configured w/ "postalias". I have also verified that confirmations/subscriptions get to the system (piped through postfix to Mailman) w/ a similar log entry. The problem is that it doesn't appear to be handled by mailman from there. In /usr/local/mailman/logs/, I get nothing in 'error' and only get a new user logged in 'subscription' when I add them via the web interface. If I do anything via email, nothing is logged. /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper is suid and owned by root. Does anyone know this one?? - or is this documented somewhere (I haven't found)? Grateful for any assistance. TIA, mike From aaron at itfitv.org Wed Jan 16 21:45:01 2002 From: aaron at itfitv.org (aaron at itfitv.org) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:45:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe/unsubscribe date retrieval Message-ID: Is there anyway to check the date people subscrubed or unsusbcribed from a list? From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org Wed Jan 16 22:31:05 2002 From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:31:05 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tool to diagnose qfiles? Message-ID: <200201162131.g0GLV6v71681@minnie.tuhs.org> Hi all, I'm running mailman 2.0.8, and I've noticed that there are a number of messages in the qfiles that are not being processed. Some are for an internal mailing list where I know there should be no delivery problems. Is there a tool to diagnose/monitor the qfiles directory, to find out: - the status of a message - why it hasn't been processed yet - when was it last looked at by qrunner Any other tips you have to deal with misbehaving queue process would be appreciated. I've had a look through this list's archives but I haven't found exactly what I was after. Many thanks in advance, Warren From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 16 23:44:37 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:44:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain problem References: <20020116133903.L88110-100000@phred.org> <1011217692.2297.34.camel@monster.koto.lan> <3C45F9D7.F3911EF2@pcraft.com> <17495.1011220345@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3C460255.9891AEBC@pcraft.com> J C Lawrence wrote: > > Why unique names? > > They map to directories in ~/lists. ...under the assumption that's a singe install. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From gary at gdma.com Wed Jan 16 23:50:52 2002 From: gary at gdma.com (Gary McClellan) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:50:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Effect of mm_cfg.py changes In-Reply-To: <018c01c19ed6$b509e8c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <200201162250.g0GMotFi029561@gdma.com> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:42:33 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: >some effects of mm_cfg are immediate, but the parts that act as defaults to >the list are incorporated into the list when it is created. You will have >to change already created lists individually. You can do this via the >command line or via the web-admin. > >Check out the archives for some very clever way of making mass changes via >the command line - might even be in the FAQ (if not it should be!). > >Jon Carnes >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary McClellan" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:04 PM >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Effect of mm_cfg.py changes > > >> When do the mm_cfg.py changes take place? I set up several lists, then >> modified mm_cfg.py to increase the number of people displayed in >Membership >> Management from 30 to 300. That change did not seem to take. I then >created >> some additional lists and the change shows up in the new lists but not in >the >> old lists. >> >> How can I make that change apply to 'older' lists? I checked the config-list comamnds (did a -o to see what it contained) and the web-admin interface; none of these show the people displayed as a variable. Any other ideas? From scottbird7 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 00:22:59 2002 From: scottbird7 at hotmail.com (Scott Armstrong) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:22:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: subscribe/unsubscribe date retrieval Message-ID: Aaron, You should be able to extract it from the log files in ~mailman/logs/subscribe using grep Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020116/b7d76aa6/attachment.htm From jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org Thu Jan 17 00:30:08 2002 From: jzygmont at solarflow.dyndns.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:30:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 In-Reply-To: <258B1C4C80B3D511973B00D0B720E2D0AE14@adminmail2.aiss.uic.edu> Message-ID: I think I remember the configure program taking only 1 argument at a time, try running configure twice (once with each option) and look at the output right near the beginning, it shows what GID's it's using. On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Islam, Sharif wrote: > Can anyone give some more hints? I did several make clean and configure , > but no luck. > Am i missing something really obvious? > > Thanks > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Islam, Sharif [mailto:mislam at uillinois.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:12 AM > To: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 > > > Thanks for the helpful replies. > I tried this > ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=48 > > now, my web interface is back. However if I run ./wrapper post i get the > same error : > "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take > 0?)" > > this is from my /etc/passwd > mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail: > mailnull:x:47:47::/var/spool/mqueue:/dev/null > mailman:x:502:502::/home/mailman:/bin/bash > > So now web interface works, i guess the cgi id was ok. Now i have to fix the > mail part. > > -Sharif > > -----Original Message----- > From: Islam, Sharif [mailto:mislam at uillinois.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:16 PM > To: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 > > > I just upgraded to Rh 7.2 and am getting the infamous error: > > Mailman error: post got bad listname: test > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 > > My web interface was working fine. However, i went ahead and did a ./config > --with-mail-gid=2 > > then i started getting the cgi-error in the web and also the other error > too. when i run ./wrapper post i get this : > > "Failuer to exec sript:WANTED Gid 2, Got GId 0. > and in my web interface: > "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 2, GOT gid 48. " > > Whats should be the correct gid? I tried this : > > "./configure --with-mail-gid=2 --with-cgi-gid=2 " > > Nothing happend. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Thu Jan 17 02:16:09 2002 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:16:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to save edited text when approving message ? Message-ID: <200201170116.RAA13977@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Use The FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.009.htp > Hello everybody, > > I'm using Mailman version 2.0.5 and opposite Majordomo's behaviour I'm > not able to save edited mail message when approve ;( During approval > process I can't modify message; The message is sent to mail-list > unchanged :( > > Does anybody know anything about this mailman's disadvantage ? Isn't > there any solution about this ? > > Thanks for any Re: > > Roman Zajic. From mislam at uillinois.edu Thu Jan 17 03:10:25 2002 From: mislam at uillinois.edu (Islam, Sharif) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:10:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 Message-ID: <258B1C4C80B3D511973B00D0B720E2D0AE16@adminmail2.aiss.uic.edu> I am not sure if its makes a difference. However this is what i got : "checking for --with-username... mailman checking for mailman UID... 502 checking for --with-groupname... mailman checking for mailman GID... 502 checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 12 checking for CGI wrapper GID... 48 checking for CGI extensions... no" But, i noticed something when i run make install : " ./cgi-wrapper.c:31:24: warning: pasting ""Mailman cgi-wrapper ("" and "SCRIPT" does not give a valid preprocessing token ./cgi-wrapper.c:31:24: warning: pasting "SCRIPT" and "")"" does not give a valid preprocessing token " Does this make any sense? Thanks for the help. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Zygmont To: Islam, Sharif Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' Sent: 1/16/02 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 I think I remember the configure program taking only 1 argument at a time, try running configure twice (once with each option) and look at the output right near the beginning, it shows what GID's it's using. On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Islam, Sharif wrote: > Can anyone give some more hints? I did several make clean and configure , > but no luck. > Am i missing something really obvious? > > Thanks > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Islam, Sharif [mailto:mislam at uillinois.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:12 AM > To: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 > > > Thanks for the helpful replies. > I tried this > ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=48 > > now, my web interface is back. However if I run ./wrapper post i get the > same error : > "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take > 0?)" > > this is from my /etc/passwd > mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail: > mailnull:x:47:47::/var/spool/mqueue:/dev/null > mailman:x:502:502::/home/mailman:/bin/bash > > So now web interface works, i guess the cgi id was ok. Now i have to fix the > mail part. > > -Sharif > > -----Original Message----- > From: Islam, Sharif [mailto:mislam at uillinois.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:16 PM > To: 'mailman-users at python.org' > Subject: [Mailman-Users] After updrading to Rh 7.2 > > > I just upgraded to Rh 7.2 and am getting the infamous error: > > Mailman error: post got bad listname: test > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 > > My web interface was working fine. However, i went ahead and did a ./config > --with-mail-gid=2 > > then i started getting the cgi-error in the web and also the other error > too. when i run ./wrapper post i get this : > > "Failuer to exec sript:WANTED Gid 2, Got GId 0. > and in my web interface: > "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 2, GOT gid 48. " > > Whats should be the correct gid? I tried this : > > "./configure --with-mail-gid=2 --with-cgi-gid=2 " > > Nothing happend. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 17 04:06:47 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:06:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail help In-Reply-To: <012001c19eab$73b543e0$81a788c1@morpheus> References: <012001c19eab$73b543e0$81a788c1@morpheus> Message-ID: <02011622064702.00986@anncons.nc.rr.com> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp On Wednesday 16 January 2002 11:32, Vitor Domingos wrote: > Where can i find more information about pipermail ? > I want to protect public archives folder of mailman with .htaccess. > > Does anyone know how could i do that ? > > -- > Cheers, > Vitor Domingos From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Jan 17 04:10:10 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:10:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to save edited text when approving message ? In-Reply-To: <3C458FA7.1040202@brain-systems.com> References: <3C458FA7.1040202@brain-systems.com> Message-ID: <02011622101003.00986@anncons.nc.rr.com> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.009.htp On Wednesday 16 January 2002 09:35, Roman Zajic wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm using Mailman version 2.0.5 and opposite Majordomo's behaviour I'm > not able to save edited mail message when approve ;( During approval > process I can't modify message; The message is sent to mail-list > unchanged :( > > Does anybody know anything about this mailman's disadvantage ? Isn't > there any solution about this ? > > Thanks for any Re: > > Roman Zajic. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From arcas at cantv.net Thu Jan 17 04:30:23 2002 From: arcas at cantv.net (Anne Strebe) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:30:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elementary question References: <3C458FA7.1040202@brain-systems.com> <02011622101003.00986@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <014e01c19f07$d414b980$85d5c4a1@Kvaerner> Good evening, my name is Anne Strebe and I am very new to using the Mailman mailing list. Together with other associates, we have a website for decorative painters, http://tolefriends.com and our host offers Mailman as a mailing list. Tole Friends is hosted since two weeks on a Lynux operating system. In general, I am not a specialist with opearating systems, do not know anything about programming or script. My knowledge in this sector is limited to designing and uploading a website or the elementary setup of a mailing list. Until 10 days ago, the Tole Friends mailing list was located on Yahoo, due to many inconveniences, we decided it would be safer to run it on our own server. Setting up the basics was not a big problem but, after we had over 700 members changing over (and others are still in the process), we encountered a series of difficulties, which I am afraid, I am not able to resolve without some expert help. In connection with this I like to mention that most of our members do not have exhausive knowledge with script, setup, etc. We are decorative artists and most of our time is spend to learn more about our art and painting. The Mailman version, which came with our hosting packet is 2.0.8 and the list is set up to show "tolefriends" as sender instead of individual names. Our specific problems are: 1. Messages in html format are coming through the list, including those, which do not only have fancy fonts and/or colors but also imbedded little images like smiley faces etc. In general we all would like to have the list function that only plain text is permitted and that any html code and/or attachments are stripped from incomeing messages. 2. When persons, who prefer to receive their mail as digest are setting it up for MIME, all list mail arrives as an attachment. I have been possible to change individual settings to plain text and, as the heavy sign-up will not take longer than 3 weeks is not a big problem. On the other hand, I understand from messages, received by AOL users that in their case even when setting the digest up for "plain text" the individual email messages in a digest still show up as attachments. I live in Venezuela, South America and do not have any access to AOL, unless I make a very expensive overseas call to dial in. 3. Any digest message in plain text shows first the message in a clear, readable form and, in many cases, underneath "Double Dutch" html code. This is quite annoying and we would like to eliminate this in our digest versions. I am aware that this happens in those cases, where the sender has set up their email system to send in html. One of my helpers and myself are trying to explain on an individual level to our members, who to change their settings to plain text but, as we do not have a hands on experience with each and every email program, it is often not possible to give our members easy explanations. I would be very grateful for any help to these 3 problems and, if possible to send any script in a form that I can just copy and paste into the right window on the Mailman administrative pages. Thanks in advance for the help, Anne Strebe, SDP, FPDA Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela arcas at cantv.net http://tolefriends.com http://arcas.paintwebs.com http://paintwebs.com ****************************** Rom. 8:28 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Carnes" To: "Roman Zajic" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to save edited text when approving message ? > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.009.htp > > On Wednesday 16 January 2002 09:35, Roman Zajic wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > > I'm using Mailman version 2.0.5 and opposite Majordomo's behaviour I'm > > not able to save edited mail message when approve ;( During approval > > process I can't modify message; The message is sent to mail-list > > unchanged :( > > > > Does anybody know anything about this mailman's disadvantage ? Isn't > > there any solution about this ? > > > > Thanks for any Re: > > > > Roman Zajic. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/2002 From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Thu Jan 17 09:08:33 2002 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:08:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman in german language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02011708083300.15919@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Hello, please visit http://www.list.org/MM21/i18n.html to get more informaton about mailman 2.0.x internationalization. Mailman 2.1 (in the moment only in an alpha release available) will be fully internationalised. You can get a copy of MM 2.1-alpha form http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman - oliver > hello, > > my webhostprovider gives me mailman in my webspacepackage. is it possible > to get the mailman admin and all mailman features with german language? > > Sorry for my bad english > > > > Uli > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Thu Jan 17 09:27:23 2002 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:27:23 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman in german language In-Reply-To: <02011708083300.15919@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <02011708083300.15919@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <02011708272301.15919@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> > please visit http://www.list.org/MM21/i18n.html > to get more informaton about mailman 2.0.x internationalization. ;-) I was trying to say: contact the mailman-i18n at python.org mailinglist. Info page of that list: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-i18n regards Olver From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Thu Jan 17 09:05:44 2002 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:05:44 +0100 Subject: Re(2): [Mailman-Users] prefix - solved Message-ID: I fixed it. It was slightly embarrasing really. Apparently there were two aliases to mailman in httpd.conf. One ScriptAlias and one Alias pointing /prefix/mailman/. Apparently it used the Alias (without cgi). mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even more so." From thomas.minor at materna.de Thu Jan 17 11:41:26 2002 From: thomas.minor at materna.de (thomas.minor at materna.de) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:41:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance Question (or is it a bug ?) Message-ID: <73B855B4F72FD411A1CF009027B113C4025355FC@taxis.materna.de> > I think you will find this problem arises if the list the > attachment is directed at is being archived and it is the internal archiver > code that is digging its way to the centre of the earth. I may be wrong > but try turning of archiving for lists to which you allow large attachments > to be posted and I think it will go a lot faster; extracting attachments > from archives is a problem anyway so why bother archiving them? Thanks a lot ! Switching off the archiver did the trick for me. I'll have a look on MHonArc to see if that one handles the big attachements correctly. Bye. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Minor, Messaging & Projects MATERNA GmbH, Business Unit Communications Telefon : +49 (231) 5599 - 169 Fax : +49 (231) 5599 - 67 169 - ----------------------------------------------------------- live is short and love is always over in the morning, black wind come carry me far away - sisters of mercy -- ---------------------------------------------------------- From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 17 11:48:22 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:48:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Effect of mm_cfg.py changes In-Reply-To: <200201162250.g0GMotFi029561@gdma.com> References: <018c01c19ed6$b509e8c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117100015.030f6800@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 16:50 16/01/2002 -0600, Gary McClellan wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:42:33 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > >some effects of mm_cfg are immediate, but the parts that act as defaults to > >the list are incorporated into the list when it is created. You will have > >to change already created lists individually. You can do this via the > >command line or via the web-admin. > > > >Check out the archives for some very clever way of making mass changes via > >the command line - might even be in the FAQ (if not it should be!). > > > >Jon Carnes > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gary McClellan" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:04 PM > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Effect of mm_cfg.py changes > > > > > >> When do the mm_cfg.py changes take place? I set up several lists, then > >> modified mm_cfg.py to increase the number of people displayed in > >Membership > >> Management from 30 to 300. That change did not seem to take. I then > >created > >> some additional lists and the change shows up in the new lists but not in > >the > >> old lists. > >> > >> How can I make that change apply to 'older' lists? > >I checked the config-list comamnds (did a -o to see what it contained) and >the web-admin interface; none of these show the people displayed as a >variable. > >Any other ideas? I'm surprised a solution to this hasn't been posted before but I cannot spare the time to search for it. Looking at the code for MM 2.0.8, the handling of DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py and the associated setting of the MailList instance variable admin_member_chunksize is unlike other such instance variables; the variable is not presented for modification in the admin web GUI and doesn't appear in the output from config_list. You should be able to use $prefix/bin/withlist to set admin_member_chunksize. For example I did the following and it appeared to work OK: 1. created file called chunky.py containing: def chunky(mlist, howmany): mlist.admin_member_chunksize = howmany mlist.Save() 2. ran $prefix/bin/withlist to change members per page to 10 from 30 as follows and got results shown: [barrett at mailman mailman]$ bin/withlist -l -r chunky rbtest 10 Loading list: rbtest (locked) Importing chunky ... Running chunky.chunky() ... Unlocking (but not saving) list: rbtest Finalizing Hope this helps but be careful using withlist; you can make a mess of things quite easily I suspect. From Krause.U at fep.fhg.de Thu Jan 17 12:30:32 2002 From: Krause.U at fep.fhg.de (Krause, Uwe) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:30:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent lists agn html and Attachments Message-ID: Hello, maybe a FAQ (but i havent found it in the FAQ`s). How can i prevent sending out messages with attachments for a respective list ? We run several lists on the host, but one list-manager ask for prevent his list against html (simple solution -> stripmime.pl) and any attachments (no idea).... Thanks Uwe Krause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020117/c5ac3769/attachment.html From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 17 13:57:53 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:57:53 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent lists agn html and Attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117125633.03c5e998@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 12:30 17/01/2002 +0100, Krause, Uwe wrote: >Hello, > >maybe a FAQ (but i havent found it in the FAQ`s). >How can i prevent sending out messages with attachments for a respective >list ? >We run several lists on the host, but one list-manager ask for prevent his >list against >html (simple solution -> stripmime.pl) and any attachments (no idea).... > >Thanks > >Uwe Krause > Interesting that you are sending HTML e-mails yourself I find the following patch works well to demime stuff: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103 From johnc at jdcmicro.com Thu Jan 17 14:55:05 2002 From: johnc at jdcmicro.com (John Crutcher) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:55:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problem Message-ID: OK - I have a permission problem that I can't seem to find. I have run check_perms and changed my --with-mail-gid settings and tried some different combinations. I think it has something to do with the permission of my /home/mailman/mail directory? I looked though the FAQ's and the issues there are with the CGI permissions and I think they are running correctly. I know its gotta be simple...But I am missing it... Copy of the reply from Mailman after trying to subscribe. ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd events" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd events"... Can't create output: Permission denied Thanks, John Crutcher johnc at jdcmicro.com From hillson at iastate.edu Thu Jan 17 15:50:35 2002 From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:50:35 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list qrunner locks getting stuck? Message-ID: I am having a serious problem with mailman with lists getting apparently corrupted and becoming none functional. The first symptom is you try to send a piece of mail to a list and it does nothing. The email just disappears into a black hole. There is a record in the maillog that them message came into the computer and was destine for mailman to process it. It then disappears, there is no record of it in the mailman logs and no other mention of it in the maillog. The next symptom you find is that you can no longer manage the list. When you try to log in either as the manager of the list or as the mailman manager the list does not respond to you. You get an error message saying "The attempt to load 'Accessing URL:http://mailserver/mailman/admin/agsupport/' failed". After fighting this for a few weeks I found that the problem was due to the lock files having a problem. When I check the qrunner log, it shows problems with the lock files. If I delete the lock files the list goes a head and works again. Is there a known problem with the lock files, or is there something I need to look at in the configuration of the list or mailman. thanks, Tom -- /--------------------------------------------------------- | Tom Hillson Computer Services Manager | hillson at iastate.edu College of Agriculture | http://www.ag.iastate.edu Iowa State University | (515) 294-1543 phone B2 Curtiss Hall | (515) 294-1349 fax Ames, IA 50011 --------------------------------------------------------- |"The only thing I have too much of is too little time" From mdickerson at officeonweb.net Thu Jan 17 16:51:09 2002 From: mdickerson at officeonweb.net (mdickerson at officeonweb.net) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper program not working properly ?? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020117085109.007f2df0@officeonweb.net> Sorry if this has been answered before... I'm using Mailman 2.0.8 w/ postfix on freebsd 4.5 PRE-. I have set up a test list. All functions appear to work via the web interface. The problem is that none of the email subscriptions, posts, confirmations, etc. via email are working. They are getting to the server as verified by /var/log/maillog: Jan 16 13:05:22 lists postfix/local[37774]: D945789D7B: to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2") This should verify that I have properly configured w/ "postalias". I have also verified that confirmations/subscriptions get to the system (piped through postfix to Mailman) w/ a similar log entry. The problem is that it doesn't appear to be handled by mailman from there. In /usr/local/mailman/logs/, I get nothing in 'error' and only get a new user logged in 'subscription' when I add them via the web interface. If I do anything via email, nothing is logged. /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper is suid and owned by root. Is this a problem perhaps with cron not working? Grateful for any assistance. TIA, mike From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Thu Jan 17 17:38:54 2002 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:38:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] question... Message-ID: <20020117163854.58557.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a script now to subscribe a lot of users in my unix system taking the input from a file, changing /etc/passwd, /etc/group,....etc???? Thanks!!!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From mdickerson at officeonweb.net Thu Jan 17 18:07:50 2002 From: mdickerson at officeonweb.net (mdickerson at officeonweb.net) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:07:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper program not working properly ?? In-Reply-To: <20020117113245.A3262@allhats.xcski.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20020117092909.00924a30@officeonweb.net> <3.0.6.32.20020117085109.007f2df0@officeonweb.net> <3.0.6.32.20020117085109.007f2df0@officeonweb.net> <20020117111020.A2291@allhats.xcski.com> <3.0.6.32.20020117092909.00924a30@officeonweb.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020117100750.00982550@officeonweb.net> Paul, The logs (/usr/local/mailman/logs/*) show things (i.e. subscribe and smtp) that have been done via the web interface. Nothing shows up at all from anything done by email (piped by postfix to the mailman scripts). The only thing the system logs show is that postfix successfully (?) pipes the email to the wrapper program (shown in an earlier post). Thanks, mike At 11:32 AM 1/17/02 -0500, you wrote: >Quoting mdickerson at officeonweb.net (mdickerson at officeonweb.net): >> Yes, my apologies, it IS setgid. > >In that case, I don't know what's going wrong. Anything in ~mailman/logs? >How about the system logs? > >-- >Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody >God is real, unless declared as an integer. > > From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 17 19:07:27 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:07:27 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question... In-Reply-To: <20020117163854.58557.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117180618.0372ca20@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 10:38 17/01/2002 -0600, Alex Sammons wrote: > Does anyone have a script now to subscribe a lot of >users in my unix system taking the input from a file, >changing /etc/passwd, /etc/group,....etc???? > > Thanks!!!!! > >__ why not look at using the $prefix/bin/add_members script >_______________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ridalski at nandomedia.com Thu Jan 17 19:26:21 2002 From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:26:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper program not working properly ?? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020117085109.007f2df0@officeonweb.net> Message-ID: it does indeed sounf like the problem is with cron. Everything else sounds like it's working properly, but cron is never calling qrunner to proccess it. Can you look in your ~mailman/qfiles dir and see if there's anything in there? If it's full of unprocessed .msg, and .db files, then the cron, or qrunner to be more precise is your problem. -Richard -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of mdickerson at officeonweb.net Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:51 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper program not working properly ?? Sorry if this has been answered before... I'm using Mailman 2.0.8 w/ postfix on freebsd 4.5 PRE-. I have set up a test list. All functions appear to work via the web interface. The problem is that none of the email subscriptions, posts, confirmations, etc. via email are working. They are getting to the server as verified by /var/log/maillog: Jan 16 13:05:22 lists postfix/local[37774]: D945789D7B: to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2") This should verify that I have properly configured w/ "postalias". I have also verified that confirmations/subscriptions get to the system (piped through postfix to Mailman) w/ a similar log entry. The problem is that it doesn't appear to be handled by mailman from there. In /usr/local/mailman/logs/, I get nothing in 'error' and only get a new user logged in 'subscription' when I add them via the web interface. If I do anything via email, nothing is logged. /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper is suid and owned by root. Is this a problem perhaps with cron not working? Grateful for any assistance. TIA, mike ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From mdickerson at officeonweb.net Thu Jan 17 20:16:23 2002 From: mdickerson at officeonweb.net (mdickerson at officeonweb.net) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:16:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper program not working properly ?? In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20020117085109.007f2df0@officeonweb.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020117121623.0128cbf0@officeonweb.net> Thanks to all who replied. I'm a bonehead. I botched the cron (yes, there was plenty in the qfiles dir ;). I re-reran crontab for crontab.in in and everything works like a charm. It did help hearing the replies none-the-less (to understand overall function). Thanks for the help and patience <:) --duncecap. mike At 01:26 PM 1/17/02 -0500, you wrote: >it does indeed sounf like the problem is with cron. Everything else sounds >like it's working properly, but cron is never calling qrunner to proccess >it. Can you look in your ~mailman/qfiles dir and see if there's anything in >there? If it's full of unprocessed .msg, and .db files, then the cron, or >qrunner to be more precise is your problem. > > > -Richard > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of >mdickerson at officeonweb.net >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:51 AM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper program not working properly ?? > > > >Sorry if this has been answered before... > >I'm using Mailman 2.0.8 w/ postfix on freebsd 4.5 PRE-. > >I have set up a test list. All functions appear to work via the web >interface. The problem is that none of the email subscriptions, posts, >confirmations, etc. via email are working. > >They are getting to the server as verified by /var/log/maillog: >Jan 16 13:05:22 lists postfix/local[37774]: D945789D7B: >to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent >("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2") > >This should verify that I have properly configured w/ "postalias". >I have also verified that confirmations/subscriptions get to the system >(piped through postfix to Mailman) w/ a similar log entry. The problem is >that it doesn't appear to be handled by mailman from there. > >In /usr/local/mailman/logs/, I get nothing in 'error' and only get a new >user logged in 'subscription' when I add them via the web interface. If I >do anything via email, nothing is logged. > >/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper is suid and owned by root. > >Is this a problem perhaps with cron not working? > >Grateful for any assistance. > >TIA, > >mike > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > From jonc at haht.com Thu Jan 17 21:02:49 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:02:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list qrunner locks getting stuck? References: Message-ID: <00a401c19f91$f02b04f0$0b04010a@JCARNES> I have a similar problem which I've traced down to Internet Explorer and bad or old Mailman cookies. I've seen a lot of problems with IE6 (and now IE5.5 after the last security upgrade... damn MS). The browser connection manages to create the lock files but then it stops and refuses to authenticate. I'm fairly certain it is using an old cookie at this point. Quitting the browser does not remove the lock files from your server or the bad cookie from the workstation. You have to stop the processes on the server manually and then delete the lock files. Then you have to delete the cookies on the workstation (or at least the ones related to Mailman). Once that is done, everything works again. None of this happens if we use earlier versions of IE or on IE v5.5 prior to the latest security update. === Here is a small script that kills all the processes and remove all the locks, it needs to be run as root: for i in `ls /home/mailman/locks |cut -f7 -d. `; do kill $i; done rm -f /home/mailman/locks/* === Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hillson" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list qrunner locks getting stuck? > I am having a serious problem with mailman with lists getting > apparently corrupted and becoming none functional. The first symptom > is you try to send a piece of mail to a list and it does nothing. The > email just disappears into a black hole. There is a record in the > maillog that them message came into the computer and was destine for > mailman to process it. It then disappears, there is no record of it > in the mailman logs and no other mention of it in the maillog. The > next symptom you find is that you can no longer manage the list. When > you try to log in either as the manager of the list or as the mailman > manager the list does not respond to you. You get an error message > saying "The attempt to load 'Accessing > URL:http://mailserver/mailman/admin/agsupport/' failed". > > After fighting this for a few weeks I found that the problem was due > to the lock files having a problem. When I check the qrunner log, it > shows problems with the lock files. If I delete the lock files the > list goes a head and works again. Is there a known problem with the > lock files, or is there something I need to look at in the > configuration of the list or mailman. > > thanks, > > Tom > -- > /--------------------------------------------------------- > | Tom Hillson Computer Services Manager > | hillson at iastate.edu College of Agriculture > | http://www.ag.iastate.edu Iowa State University > | (515) 294-1543 phone B2 Curtiss Hall > | (515) 294-1349 fax Ames, IA 50011 > --------------------------------------------------------- > |"The only thing I have too much of is too little time" > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From paul at cuenet.com Fri Jan 18 00:45:42 2002 From: paul at cuenet.com (Paul Thomas) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:45:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and auto-responders? Message-ID: Howdy, Is Mailman vulnerable to mail-loops caused by auto-responders that are configured to look like an email sent by a person? If not, how does Mailman discern that an email from a person is actually from an auto-responder and visa versa. Thanks, --Paul -- "Yesterday's the past and tomorrow's the future. Today is a gift - which is why they call it the present." -Bill Keane From stephen at xemacs.org Fri Jan 18 04:54:50 2002 From: stephen at xemacs.org (Stephen J. Turnbull) Date: 18 Jan 2002 12:54:50 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list qrunner locks getting stuck? In-Reply-To: <00a401c19f91$f02b04f0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <00a401c19f91$f02b04f0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <87pu48wbxx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >>>>> "Jon" == Jon Carnes writes: Jon> The browser connection manages to create the lock files but Jon> then it stops and refuses to authenticate. I'm fairly Jon> certain it is using an old cookie at this point. Well, the obvious and pleasant solution is 1) reverse the order of authentication and lockfile creation This is an exploitable security hole, seems to me. 2) if the cookie is expired and the bruiser is Exploder, post a page explaining the bug and giving download links for real browsers. :-) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Don't ask how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi Fri Jan 18 11:28:43 2002 From: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi (Jarkko Laine) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:28:43 +0200 (EET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] conftest.py: Permission denied/ Message-ID: Hi, I get the following message when I'm trying to do configure: [mailman at kepardi mailman-2.0.8]$ ./configure --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-cgi-gid=48 ./configure: confdefs.h: Permission denied loading cache ./config.cache checking for --with-python... no checking for python... (cached) /usr/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python checking Python version... ./configure: conftest.py: Permission denied /usr/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py' cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory configure: error: ***** /usr/bin/python is too old (or broken) ***** Python 1.5.2 or newer is required With root access everything goes well, but installing instructions specifically tell not to do configure with user root. I've done everything before that according to the instructions and therefore I think mailman login should have all the permissions it needs, but it doesn's seem to be so. Grateful for any help, Jarkko -- Jarkko Laine jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi Tampere University of Technology Industrial Engineering and Management +358-(0)50-3588858 From soporte at analyte.com Fri Jan 18 15:10:36 2002 From: soporte at analyte.com (soporte tecnico) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:10:36 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman configuration. Please help me Message-ID: <001f01c1a029$e6ed4fe0$6700a8c0@analyte.com> Hi: I'm trying to configure mailman 2.0.8 and I have problems. I'm doing over RedHat 7.2 and I haven't graphics enviroment. When I do .../configure mailman check the options and abort saying: No aceptable cc found in PATH I though that could be the gcc compiler. It isn't in the LINUX system. Then I download it and I try to install. When I configure the gcc 3.0.2 abort the configuration saying: cc: command not found 'cc -o conftest -g conftest.c ' failed You must set the enviroment variable CC to a working compiler. Who can I install mailman ???? Please, help me. I spent a lot of time with this errors !!! Thanks Celia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020118/95568cf0/attachment.htm From ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Fri Jan 18 16:25:31 2002 From: ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de) Date: 18 Jan 2002 16:25:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi! I'd like to switch our mailinglist manager from majordomo to Mailman. Since there are some lists being transitioned and webpages that say that people can subscribe to lists by sending `subscribe listname' mails to majordomo at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, I'd like to know whether there's a compatibilty interface, so that it would be sufficient to adjust an alias like `majordomo: "|mailman-wrapper majordomo-compat'. -frank From dabad at cidadei.com.br Fri Jan 18 17:18:12 2002 From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:18:12 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAilman with Qmail Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C545@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Hi all !!! I?m using mailman with qmail ... everything is working fine... qmail, apache... but when I create a new list and send a message to it.. see what happens: @400000003c48298e3a53732c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @400000003c48298e3b20a284 delivery 102: deferral: Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_6,_GOT_gid_1001.__(Reconfigure_to_take_10 01?)/ @400000003c48298e3b2a2bec status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 What should I do?? What script is it trying to execute???? My ./configure: ./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=mail make make install Tks all!!! Dan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020118/0b7fd0f2/attachment.html From dabad at cidadei.com.br Fri Jan 18 17:25:07 2002 From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:25:07 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Qmail!! Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C546@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Hi all !!! I?m using mailman with qmail ... everything is working fine... qmail, apache... but when I create a new list and send a message to it.. see what happens: @400000003c48298e3a53732c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 @400000003c48298e3b20a284 delivery 102: deferral: Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_6,_GOT_gid_1001.__(Reconfigure_to_take_10 01?)/ @400000003c48298e3b2a2bec status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 What should I do?? What script is it trying to execute???? My ./configure: ./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=mail make make install Tks all!!! Dan. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Jan 18 16:59:34 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:59:34 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Qmail!! In-Reply-To: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C546@prima-exc01.cidad ei.com.br> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020118154947.02907908@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 13:25 18/01/2002 -0300, Daniel Abad wrote: >Hi all !!! > >I?m using mailman with qmail ... everything is working fine... qmail, >apache... but when I create a new list and send a message to it.. see what >happens: > >@400000003c48298e3a53732c status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 >@400000003c48298e3b20a284 delivery 102: deferral: >Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_6,_GOT_gid_1001.__(Reconfigure_to_take_10 >01?)/ >@400000003c48298e3b2a2bec status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 > >What should I do?? What script is it trying to execute???? > > >My ./configure: > >./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python >--with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody >--with-mail-gid=mail Presumably your MTA is trying to execute the script $prefix/Mailman/post in order to deliver mail to the Mailman list manager. The script you MUA uses is the one specified in the mail alias for the list concerned. It seems you are being told that the MTA is trying to execute the script with a gid of 6 but found a gid 1001. Maybe worth you should checking the numeric value of the group 'mail' that you specified in your configure and which group has the id 1001 on your system? >make > >make install > >Tks all!!! > >Dan. From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Fri Jan 18 17:15:54 2002 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 18 Jan 2002 16:15:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Qmail!! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020118154947.02907908@pop.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020118154947.02907908@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1011370554.12388.52.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 15:59, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 13:25 18/01/2002 -0300, Daniel Abad wrote: > >Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_6,_GOT_gid_1001.__(Reconfigure_to_take_10 > >01?)/ > >My ./configure: > > > >./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python > >--with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody > >--with-mail-gid=mail > > Presumably your MTA is trying to execute the script $prefix/Mailman/post in > order to deliver mail to the Mailman list manager. The script you MUA uses > is the one specified in the mail alias for the list concerned. > > It seems you are being told that the MTA is trying to execute the script > with a gid of 6 but found a gid 1001. Other way round. The error is being reported by the mailman wrapper script. It was invoked with GID 1001 It expected to be invoked with GID 6 (which should be the mail GID). You have 2 choices - one of which may not be possible (I don't know enough about qmail to comment):- 1. Convince qmail to invoke the script (presumably from a list user/alias) with GID 6 Don't know if this is possible given the qmail way of doing things 2. Re-configure/install Mailman. Change your configure line to ./configure --prefix=/home/mailman \ --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python \ --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman \ --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=1001 Nigel. Please don't post html or multipart/alternative to the list. If you do so (we can all make mistakes), then don't follow it up with a text only post. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Jan 18 18:35:43 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:35:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman configuration. Please help me References: <001f01c1a029$e6ed4fe0$6700a8c0@analyte.com> Message-ID: <3C485CEF.B071495B@pcraft.com> soporte tecnico wrote: > I though that could be the gcc compiler. It isn't in the LINUX system. That's because the development package(s) isn't/aren't installed. You need to install them. > Then I download it and I try to install. > When I configure the gcc 3.0.2 abort the configuration saying: > > cc: command not found > 'cc -o conftest -g conftest.c ' failed > You must set the enviroment variable CC to a working compiler. In order to _compile_ GCC, you need to already have a working compiler installed on the system. However, you don't need to do this. RedHat offers all of their software as RPM packages that you can download and install. Or you can get them from your installation CDs. A quick scan on my RH7.1 system reveals the following packages: rpm -qa | grep gcc gcc-objc-2.96-85 gcc-c++-2.96-85 gcc-java-2.96-85 gcc-2.96-85 kgcc-1.1.2-40 gcc-g77-2.96-85 You need those installed. > Who can I install mailman ???? Well, you can...once you accomplish the above. :) Buena suerte. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Jan 18 18:38:15 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:38:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman References: Message-ID: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de wrote: > I'd like to know whether there's a > compatibilty interface, so that it would be sufficient to adjust an > alias like `majordomo: "|mailman-wrapper majordomo-compat'. If you look at the header information from any Mailman generated message, you'd see the following two tags: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , There are your two email addresses for subscriptions (the 'mailto' tags). Adjust them to reflect your address and you should be good to go. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From dabad at cidadei.com.br Fri Jan 18 20:26:59 2002 From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:26:59 -0300 Subject: RES: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Qmail!! Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C550@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Tks all!! It?s now working fine... tks a lot!! Now.. one more question, is possible to sign up with a pass?? I mean, there is a patch for it?? I just wanna authenticate subscribe and unsubscribe by e-mail address... is it possible?? Tks again !!! Daniel -----Mensagem original----- De: Nigel Metheringham [mailto:Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 18 de janeiro de 2002 13:16 Para: Richard Barrett Cc: Daniel Abad; 'mailman-users at python.org' Assunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Qmail!! On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 15:59, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 13:25 18/01/2002 -0300, Daniel Abad wrote: > >Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_6,_GOT_gid_1001.__(Reconfigure_to_take_1 0 > >01?)/ > >My ./configure: > > > >./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python > >--with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody > >--with-mail-gid=mail > > Presumably your MTA is trying to execute the script $prefix/Mailman/post in > order to deliver mail to the Mailman list manager. The script you MUA uses > is the one specified in the mail alias for the list concerned. > > It seems you are being told that the MTA is trying to execute the script > with a gid of 6 but found a gid 1001. Other way round. The error is being reported by the mailman wrapper script. It was invoked with GID 1001 It expected to be invoked with GID 6 (which should be the mail GID). You have 2 choices - one of which may not be possible (I don't know enough about qmail to comment):- 1. Convince qmail to invoke the script (presumably from a list user/alias) with GID 6 Don't know if this is possible given the qmail way of doing things 2. Re-configure/install Mailman. Change your configure line to ./configure --prefix=/home/mailman \ --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python \ --with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman \ --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=1001 Nigel. Please don't post html or multipart/alternative to the list. If you do so (we can all make mistakes), then don't follow it up with a text only post. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From mj at percomp.de Fri Jan 18 19:43:56 2002 From: mj at percomp.de (Matthias Jaenichen) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:43:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WebInterface for MailMan-Admin Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020118194101.0311b9c0@127.0.0.1> Hi, to make it short: 1.) Is there a web-interface to administer (create) Lists? 2.) Is there a Master-Admin-Interface to set certain values for ALL lists? 3.) Is there an interface to limit to options available for ListAdmins/Users Reg. Matthias J?nichen From ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Fri Jan 18 19:57:42 2002 From: ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de) Date: 18 Jan 2002 19:57:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> References: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> Message-ID: Hi! >> I'd like to know whether there's a >> compatibilty interface, so that it would be sufficient to adjust an >> alias like `majordomo: "|mailman-wrapper majordomo-compat'. Ashley> If you look at the header information from any Mailman generated Ashley> message, you'd see the following two tags: Ashley> List-Subscribe: , Ashley> Ashley> List-Unsubscribe: , Ashley> Ashley> There are your two email addresses for subscriptions (the Ashley> 'mailto' tags). Adjust them to reflect your address and you Ashley> should be good to go. Thanks, Ashley! I know about the `xxx-request' addresses that are specific to the configured mailing lists. What I intended to ask about is a single general mailman address, that is as compatible as possible to what at a majordomo installation usually can be reached at . If it would be possible, I'd like to support such an address for compatibilty reasons because many people might be familiar with our site's majordomo setup. Another reason is this: I wonder whether it is true that people who want to ask for general `help' on mailman or intend to issue a `lists' command really have to be aware of an already existing mailing list. -frank From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Jan 18 20:31:56 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:31:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman References: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3C48782B.9940592A@pcraft.com> ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de wrote: > What I intended to ask about is a single > general mailman address, that is as compatible as possible to what at > a majordomo installation usually can be reached at > . That's specific to each list: -request at domain.com Send a message with the word 'help' as subject. I suppose you can create a dummy list (non-publicized), and make an alias from mailman at domain.com to that list's address. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Fri Jan 18 20:45:13 2002 From: ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de) Date: 18 Jan 2002 20:45:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: <3C48782B.9940592A@pcraft.com> References: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> <3C48782B.9940592A@pcraft.com> Message-ID: Hi! >> What I intended to ask about is a single >> general mailman address, that is as compatible as possible to what at >> a majordomo installation usually can be reached at >> . Ashley> That's specific to each list: -request at domain.com Ashley> Send a message with the word 'help' as subject. Not with majordomo. With majordomo, general information can be retrieved from a general address. Ashley> I suppose you can create a dummy list (non-publicized), Ashley> and make an alias from mailman at domain.com to that list's address. Yes. That would be a workaround for `help' and `lists', but not for `subscribe list' and `unsubscribe list'. So, it seems there is such majordomo compatiblity support. -frank From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Jan 18 20:59:18 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:59:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman References: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> <3C48782B.9940592A@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <3C487E96.A49C2FAF@pcraft.com> ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de wrote: > Ashley> That's specific to each list: -request at domain.com > Ashley> Send a message with the word 'help' as subject. > > Not with majordomo. With majordomo, general information can be > retrieved from a general address. You were asking for compatibility against Mailman. So my answers have been geared towards that, not Majordomo. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From claw at kanga.nu Fri Jan 18 21:18:24 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:18:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WebInterface for MailMan-Admin In-Reply-To: Message from Matthias Jaenichen of "Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:43:56 +0100." <4.3.2.7.2.20020118194101.0311b9c0@127.0.0.1> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020118194101.0311b9c0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <18390.1011385104@kanga.nu> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:43:56 +0100 Matthias Jaenichen wrote: > 1.) Is there a web-interface to administer (create) Lists? In 2.1. > 2.) Is there a Master-Admin-Interface to set certain values for > ALL lists? 3.) Is there an interface to limit to options > available for ListAdmins/Users No. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu Sat Jan 19 02:07:13 2002 From: mail_man at pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu (Tim Legg) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:07:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] IT WORKS!!!! Message-ID: <20020118190212.H319-100000@pc047113.stuorg.iastate.edu> I wish to thank all of you in helping me get mailman-2.0.8 working on my FREEBSD 4.4 box. It works - totally 100% I can't begin to express my gratefullness to those who have helped me along the way. I will continue to stay on this list here (hopefully with a different hostname in a couple weeks) and use my minute knowledge to help others on the list. And I have to say, mailman is a very cool program. I am very, very excited to implement this software within our organizations. Tim Legg American Indian Rights Org. Iowa State Univ. From linuxlog at yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 07:02:26 2002 From: linuxlog at yahoo.com (Logu) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:32:26 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mails not going to other domains Message-ID: <00b701c1a0ae$e16dd5f0$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> hi, I have installed mailman in madrake 6.0 with sendmail 8.10. Now the problem is that if a user is from the same domain.com and subscribes using the email (to list-request at domain.com, sub: subscribe) then s/he is getting a message for confirmation. If it the email address is from other(domain) email ids say from logu at yahoo.com then the mail asking for confirmation is not coming. (Same thing happens if I subscribe email-ids with other domain names and post a message to the list, only members having the mail-id domain.com is getting mails but others are not getting) In the maillog. I find this entry. And there is no To entry for that mail. Jan 18 02:47:01 logumac sendmail[4844]: g0IAl0N04844: from=, size=1609, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In the mailman log(~mailman/log/post) I find all thses as failures. In other machine which works fine. I find the corresponding entry as follows and there is a To entry for that mail. Jan 18 14:41:01 mail sendmail[3033]: OAA03033: from=list-admin at domain.com, size=1772, class=-60, pri=139772, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200201180911.OAA03033 at domain.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is that relay=localhost that matters here.? Expecting your help. -logu _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From stevens at dcpl.info Thu Jan 17 06:30:32 2002 From: stevens at dcpl.info (Steven Schermerhorn) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:30:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <2542.206.253.57.69.1011245432.squirrel@readinks.info> Okay, It looks like my install went perfectly. HOWEVER!! I can not get the webpages to come up! I don't use cgi anywhere else on my server (Nor do I plan to) so I just changed the script alias to '/home/mailman/'. I am almost 100% possitive that my problem is not with permissions, but maybe it is! I created a link by using 'ln -s /home/mailman/cgi- bin /var/www/html/mailman'. Is that the correct link to make? My httpd.conf file is as follows: ScriptAlas /cgi-bin/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/" AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all PLEASE HELP ME!! (I did get email regarding the test mailing list being setup!) -Stevens From Krause.U at fep.fhg.de Thu Jan 17 09:35:03 2002 From: Krause.U at fep.fhg.de (Krause, Uwe) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:35:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent attachemtens for several lists Message-ID: Hello, maybe a FAQ (but havent found it in the FAQ`s). How can i prevent sending messages out with attachments for a respective list ? We run several lists on the host, but one list manager ask for prevent his list against html (simple solution -> stripmime.pl) and any attachments (no idea).... Thanks Uwe Krause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind regards, Karl T From rei at ihs.uni-stuttgart.de Thu Jan 17 19:52:30 2002 From: rei at ihs.uni-stuttgart.de (Ralf Eisinger) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:52:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] domains and subdomains Message-ID: <200201171852.g0HIqUS28021@poseidon.ihs.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi all, I try to install mailman on a system, where I want to handle lists for subdomains too. The problem is, that I want to have the same listnames in different subdomains. Ist that posissible with the actual version (2.0.8) or with the new one (2.1). A.e: testlist at mydomain.org testlist at abc.mydomain.org testlist at def.mydomain.org That should be three totally differnt lists. Please send a CC to me, because I'm not on the list. (rei at ihs.uni-stuttgart.de) Thanks in advance. -- best ragards Ralf Eisinger ------------------- IHS - University of Stuttgart, Germany Pfaffenwaldring 10 70150 Stuttgart Phone: (0049)-711-685-3201 From mary-kay.kaminski at yale.edu Thu Jan 17 23:35:09 2002 From: mary-kay.kaminski at yale.edu (Mary-Kay Kaminski) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:35:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients Error Message-ID: <3C47519D.4A6F4B13@yale.edu> A person with an email address that appears in "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement" experienced a strange problem sending to one of our MailMan lists. The list hadn't changed and her message appeared to send as it normally would. However, she then received an email from medradpi-list-admin at vectra.med.yale.edu saying: "Your mail....is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Too many recipients." The list administrator subsequently approved the email, and they have now gone through. But, I don't understand why they just didn't go through automatically. Please educate me on what "Too many recipients" means and what I need to do to prevent this from happening again. A search of this error in your discussion archives has shed no light. Any ideas? All advice appreciated. Thank You Mary-Kay -- ____________________________________________________ Mary-Kay Kaminski Email/Systems Administrator and Postmaster Yale School of Medicine ITS-Med - Systems and Network Engineering ____________________________________________________ From linuxlog at yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 12:11:56 2002 From: linuxlog at yahoo.com (Logu) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:41:56 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] out side mails not going Message-ID: <011701c1a010$f48fa4e0$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> I have installed mailman in madrake 6.0 with sendmail 8.10. Now the problem is that if a user is from the same domain.com and subscribes using the email (to list-request at domain.com, sub: subscribe) then s/he is getting a message for confirmation. If it the email address is from other email ids say from logu at yahoo.com then the mail asking for confirmation is not coming. In the maillog. I find this entry. And there is no To entry for that mail. Jan 18 02:47:01 logumac sendmail[4844]: g0IAl0N04844: from=, size=1609, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In the mailman log(~mailman/log/post) I find all thses as failures. In other machine which works fine. I find the corresponding entry as follows and there is a To entry for that mail. Jan 18 14:41:01 mail sendmail[3033]: OAA03033: from=list-admin at domain.com, size=1772, class=-60, pri=139772, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200201180911.OAA03033 at domain.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is that relay=localhost that matters here.? Expecting your help. Please cc to email as I am not subscribed for this list. -logu _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From strauss at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Fri Jan 18 16:23:30 2002 From: strauss at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Frank Strauss) Date: 18 Jan 2002 16:23:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi! I'd like to switch our mailinglist manager from majordomo to Mailman. Since there are some lists being transitioned and webpages that say that people can subscribe to lists by sending `subscribe listname' mails to majordomo at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, I'd like to know whether there's a compatibilty interface, so that it would be sufficient to adjust an alias like `majordomo: "|mailman-wrapper majordomo-compat'. -frank From vmorel at altedia.fr Fri Jan 18 18:32:39 2002 From: vmorel at altedia.fr (Vincent Morel) Date: 18 Jan 2002 18:32:39 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ldap Message-ID: <1011375160.785.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi there. I'm looking for a mailing list server which could use a ldap server... It's seems that there is no program like that on the market. I saw in your whishlist that you plan to put ldap in mailman! Great!! I hope I'll come out soon! Bye Vince From strauss at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Fri Jan 18 19:53:15 2002 From: strauss at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Frank Strauss) Date: 18 Jan 2002 19:53:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> References: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> Message-ID: Hi! >> I'd like to know whether there's a >> compatibilty interface, so that it would be sufficient to adjust an >> alias like `majordomo: "|mailman-wrapper majordomo-compat'. Ashley> If you look at the header information from any Mailman generated Ashley> message, you'd see the following two tags: Ashley> List-Subscribe: , Ashley> Ashley> List-Unsubscribe: , Ashley> Ashley> There are your two email addresses for subscriptions (the Ashley> 'mailto' tags). Adjust them to reflect your address and you Ashley> should be good to go. Thanks, Ashley! I know about the `xxx-request' addresses that are specific to the configured mailing lists. What I intended to ask about is a single general mailman address, that is as compatible as possible to what at a majordomo installation usually can be reached at . If it would be possible, I'd like to support such an address for compatibilty reasons because many people might be familiar with our site's majordomo setup. Another reason is this: I wonder whether it is true that people who want to ask for general `help' on mailman or intend to issue a `lists' command really have to be aware of an already existing mailing list. -frank From manoj at meerutinfo.com Fri Jan 18 08:27:04 2002 From: manoj at meerutinfo.com (manoj) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:57:04 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT !!! Message-ID: <00c201c19ff1$9db67640$2179a8c0@digit> Dear Sir, I have a hosting space on a server where your Mail Manager is installed. I have created the mailing list on my domains. I was using these lists properly. But now a days i am facing some Problems in accessing my mailing list on that server. I am regularly reciving the mails for moderation, but not able to open the list admin option. It seems that it happend something wrong with the configuration file. and because of that the mail manager is not working properly on that server. There is an error on the server, in accessing the mailing lists. This is not only with a particular domain, If we are trying with any new created IP, it is doing the same. And we request you, not to suggest us to recreate the mailing list , because we have the valuable data in the existing list. If i try to open the mailman it shows the following error. Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at meerutinfo.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apache/1.3.22 Server at www.meerutinfo.com Port 80 Please suggest me what I can do to solve this prob. Please also suggest me , how can i open the pending moderation requests in this situation. Please reply ASAP Thanks and regards Manoj Tyagi CEO Digitech International -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020118/817a9c1c/attachment.htm From strauss at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Fri Jan 18 21:17:14 2002 From: strauss at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Frank Strauss) Date: 18 Jan 2002 21:17:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching from majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: <3C487E96.A49C2FAF@pcraft.com> References: <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> <3C48782B.9940592A@pcraft.com> <3C487E96.A49C2FAF@pcraft.com> Message-ID: Hi! Ashley> ml-mailman-users at ibr.cs.tu-bs.de wrote: Ashley> That's specific to each list: -request at domain.com Ashley> Send a message with the word 'help' as subject. >> Not with majordomo. With majordomo, general information can be >> retrieved from a general address. Ashley> You were asking for compatibility against Mailman. So my Ashley> answers have been geared towards that, not Majordomo. I'm sorry, if I expressed it incorrectly. Of course, I'm not looking for Mailman compatibilty within Mailman. ;-) I'm transitioning from majordomo to Mailman. So, I'm looking for majordomo compatibility. -frank From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 19 08:44:25 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:44:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) References: <2542.206.253.57.69.1011245432.squirrel@readinks.info> Message-ID: <3C4923D9.B88DB19E@pcraft.com> Steven Schermerhorn wrote: > It looks like my install went perfectly. HOWEVER!! I can not get the > webpages to come up! It would help if you can give us a little bit more information that just 'they don't come up'. Do you get an error? if so what does it say? Have you checked your web server log files, see if there's an error reported there? I have a sneaky suspicion it's failing because of the symlink you made, but without seeing actual error messages, I can't be sure. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 19 08:48:54 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:48:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing to alternative directory References: <20020117200328.57038170.karltk@prosalg.no> Message-ID: <3C4924E6.379936C5@pcraft.com> Karl Trygve Kalleberg wrote: > It would appear that the current version of Mailman (2.0.8) has problems > installing to an alternative directory (ie, make DESTDIR=/tmp/install/). > > In particular, the prefix specified to configure (normally taken to mean > the runtime directory) is assumed to be the installation directory. This is normal behavior. When you run configure and issue a path, it is assumed that's where MM is to be installed. MM needs that path information to work properly. If you need it installed elsewhere, then re-run configure with the correct path (./configure --prefix=/tmp/install) -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 19 09:11:01 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:11:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT !!! References: <00c201c19ff1$9db67640$2179a8c0@digit> Message-ID: <3C492A15.8B8D09B0@pcraft.com> manoj wrote: > Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at meerutinfo.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. > > More information about this error may be available in the server error log. This is where you should start looking for problems. Something changed on the server that is now causing you problems, where it didn't use to before. > Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. This error tells me the web server isn't configured properly. I'm willing to bet that's why you're having problems as well. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 19 09:01:18 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:01:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent attachemtens for several lists References: Message-ID: <3C4927CD.2098085@pcraft.com> "Krause, Uwe" wrote: > maybe a FAQ (but havent found it in the FAQ`s).How can i prevent sending messages out with attachments for a respective list ?We run several lists on the host, but one list manager ask for prevent his list againsthtml (simple solution -> stripmime.pl) and any attachments (no idea).... Hrm, according to Stripmime's own website, it also strips away attachments, but it doesn't go into detail of how, or what it does. I've never used stripmime myself, so I can't tell you how to set it up that way. I use MIMEDefang (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/), which does a whole lot more than just strip away "stuff". -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 19 09:08:03 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:08:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients Error References: <3C47519D.4A6F4B13@yale.edu> Message-ID: <3C492963.C5DFBC6F@pcraft.com> Mary-Kay Kaminski wrote: > medradpi-list-admin at vectra.med.yale.edu saying: "Your mail....is being > held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it > is being held: Too many recipients." > > A search of this error in your discussion archives has shed no light. > Any ideas? All advice appreciated. By default, MM will only allow up to 10 recipients in a message header (look in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py). Anything more than that and MM will hold the message and replying to the sender that they should trim the recipient list. Ask her to send a message to MM with less than 10 other addresses CC-ed in it. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Sat Jan 19 08:46:13 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:46:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] domains and subdomains References: <200201171852.g0HIqUS28021@poseidon.ihs.uni-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: <3C492445.49A00164@pcraft.com> Ralf Eisinger wrote: > I try to install mailman on a system, where I want to handle lists for > subdomains too. The problem is, that I want to have the same listnames in > different subdomains. Ist that posissible with the actual version (2.0.8) or > with the new one (2.1). > A.e: > testlist at mydomain.org > testlist at abc.mydomain.org > testlist at def.mydomain.org > > That should be three totally differnt lists. This is possible, however the only method I know off would be to use multiple mailman installations, one for each (sub)domain. And you also need to use your MTA to route the messages accordingly. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From devdas at worldgatein.net Sat Jan 19 12:33:27 2002 From: devdas at worldgatein.net (Devdas Bhagat) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:03:27 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix configuration In-Reply-To: <1011383035.1283.67.camel@daniel-rh.vitalworks.com>; from danielsettanni@vitalworks.com on Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:43:54PM -0500 References: <1011383035.1283.67.camel@daniel-rh.vitalworks.com> Message-ID: <20020119170327.B40183@rivendell.worldgatein.net> On 18/01/02 14:43 -0500, Daniel Settanni wrote: > Hi, > I can't find the readme that tells you how to configure postfix and > mailman to play nice together. Its in the INSTALL document, FAQ section. Devdas Bhagat From ptomblin at xcski.com Sat Jan 19 23:47:52 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:47:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] What's this? Message-ID: <20020119174752.A20608@allhats.xcski.com> What's going on here? Mailman 2.0.7 on Linux. I've been running this version of mailman for a few months and this is the first time I've seen this message. ----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon ----- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:17:01 -0500 From: root at xcski.com (Cron Daemon) To: mailman at xcski.com Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman//cron/qrunner Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman//cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/var/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ? from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin File "/var/mailman//Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 37, in ? from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI File "/var/mailman//Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 25, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog File "/var/mailman//Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py", line 22, in ? from StampedLogger import StampedLogger SystemError: bad argument to internal function ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody Why do programmers get Halloween and Christmas mixed up? Because OCT(31) == DEC(25) From linuxlog at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 07:10:01 2002 From: linuxlog at yahoo.com (Logu) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:40:01 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post failures for other domains Message-ID: <007101c19bf8$f204a570$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> I have installed mailman in madrake 6.0 with sendmail 8.10. Now the problem is that if a user is from the same domain.com and subscribes using the email (to list-request at domain.com, sub: subscribe) then s/he is getting a message for confirmation. If it the email address is from other email ids say from logu at yahoo.com then the mail asking for confirmation is not coming. (This happens even if I manually subscribe mail-ids which is in other domains say user at yahoo.com and send a mail to the list, then the mail goes only to the local domain.com and it is not going to out side domains) In the maillog. I find this entry. And there is no To entry for that mail. Jan 18 02:47:01 logumac sendmail[4844]: g0IAl0N04844: from=, size=1609, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In the mailman log(~mailman/log/post) I find all these postings as failures. In other machine which works fine. I find the corresponding entry as follows and there is a To entry for that mail. Jan 18 14:41:01 mail sendmail[3033]: OAA03033: from=list-admin at domain.com, size=1772, class=-60, pri=139772, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200201180911.OAA03033 at domain.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is that relay=localhost that matters here.? Expecting your help and suggestions -logu _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jonathan.bird at usask.ca Sun Jan 20 17:04:09 2002 From: jonathan.bird at usask.ca (Jonathan Bird) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:04:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and Message-ID: Hello everyone. Setup mailman on Mac OS X Server with sendmail setup to be used with AppleMailServer. Sendmail seems to be working, I get all cron job messages emailed to me, etc. Mailman setup seemed to go OK. Had some issues with permissions, check_perms -f when logged in as root cleared these up. Here is the error: Cron /sw/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/test/config.db' I also have another issue with email not being sent out with Sendmail, error messages in the mailman smtp logs are: Jan 20 08:50:56 2002 (6045) All recipients refused: (-1, 'strap_look_up() failed (ipc/send) invalid destination port') Any pointers? I am still on the upslope of a steep learning curve here... Regards, Jonathan From mailman-users at pandmservices.com Mon Jan 21 03:44:03 2002 From: mailman-users at pandmservices.com (mailman-users at pandmservices.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:44:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Question on gate_news script Message-ID: <200201202144.03300.mailman-users@pandmservices.com> Hello, I have started to use mailman to be an interface from and to several mailling lists and newsgroups at news.uslinuxtraining.com. The inbound (maillist-->newsgroups) works perfectly, however I do have a question before I enable the outbound (newsgroups-->maillists). I am not the origionating host for most of these lists. If I receive a message in (for example from mail.kde.org), translate this to news, what prevents this message from being sent back to the sending address. Example: list address is: kde at mail.kde.org newsgroup is: kde.kde I have one subscriber: kde at mail.kde.org This one subscriber should get any posts made to the newsgroup, but NOT any post that comes in from the mail.kde.org server. (From the list address). Is this possible? Thanks, -Chris ------------------------------------------------------- From molnarc at pandmservices.com Mon Jan 21 04:00:51 2002 From: molnarc at pandmservices.com (Christopher Molnar) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news Message-ID: <200201202200.51262.molnarc@pandmservices.com> (Sorry if this is a dupe, but I had some problems getting it to the list) Hello, I have started to use mailman to be an interface from and to several mailling lists and newsgroups at news.uslinuxtraining.com. The inbound (maillist-->newsgroups) works perfectly, however I do have a question before I enable the outbound (newsgroups-->maillists). I am not the origionating host for most of these lists. If I receive a message in (for example from mail.kde.org), translate this to news, what prevents this message from being sent back to the sending address. Example: list address is: kde at mail.kde.org newsgroup is: kde.kde I have one subscriber: kde at mail.kde.org This one subscriber should get any posts made to the newsgroup, but NOT any post that comes in from the mail.kde.org server. (From the list address). Is this possible? Thanks, -Chris From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Jan 21 04:04:14 2002 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:04:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Question on gate_news script In-Reply-To: <200201202144.03300.mailman-users@pandmservices.com> References: <200201202144.03300.mailman-users@pandmservices.com> Message-ID: <02012022041505.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com> Give it a whack and let us know how it works (or doesn't work). I've done the same thing myself - but ended up writing a simple script to move the new News posts off the News server and sent back to the list. It gets tricky when you don't own the original mailing list. I think if you set the *disallowed* Header's properly and later (after everything is working) automate the deletion of held messages, then you will have most of the battle won. You may also have to restrict the posting of any traffic from -admin or whatever to stop any password information from being forwarded on. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sunday 20 January 2002 21:44, mailman-users at pandmservices.com wrote: > Hello, > > I have started to use mailman to be an interface from and to several > mailling lists and newsgroups at news.uslinuxtraining.com. The inbound > (maillist-->newsgroups) works perfectly, however I do have a question > before I enable the outbound (newsgroups-->maillists). > > I am not the origionating host for most of these lists. If I receive a > message in (for example from mail.kde.org), translate this to news, what > prevents this message from being sent back to the sending address. > > Example: > > list address is: > > kde at mail.kde.org > > newsgroup is: > > kde.kde > > I have one subscriber: > > kde at mail.kde.org > > This one subscriber should get any posts made to the newsgroup, but NOT > any post that comes in from the mail.kde.org server. (From the list > address). > > Is this possible? > > Thanks, > -Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From gfieldus at csu.edu.au Mon Jan 21 04:41:05 2002 From: gfieldus at csu.edu.au (Fieldus, Glenn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:41:05 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help needed - smrsh wrapper error, even with symbolic link in /et c/smrsh Message-ID: <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA014CD292@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au> Hi everyone, My installation of Mailman 2.0.6 / Sendmail 8.12.1 / Redhat 7.2 is generating the following error when I try to reply to a subscription confirmation.: smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable I found the following in the "Common Problems" page on the Mailman web site: Problem: I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying, sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell (smrsh). You need to configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/wrapper) to the directory identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh. Sooo, I went looking. In my case, $prefix is /var/mailman, and my smrsh restricted programs directory is /etc/smrsh. The required symbolic link exists in /etc/smrsh: 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Dec 6 00:35 wrapper -> /var/mailman/mail/wrapper Yet I still get the error mentioned above. Does anyone have any ideas what else could be going on here? Regards, Division of Information Technology Glenn Fieldus Charles Sturt University Systems Admin NSW Australia ____________________________________________________________ ..the trouble with life is, there's no background music. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020121/ac4f397d/attachment.html From Fleetwood_Cassandra at htc.honeywell.com Mon Jan 21 04:48:48 2002 From: Fleetwood_Cassandra at htc.honeywell.com (Fleetwood, Cassandra (AZ75)) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:48:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner EOF error Message-ID: I'm running Mailman-2.0.7 Apache-1.1.3 Python-1.5.2 Sendmail-8.8.5 Mailman was installed and tested several months ago. This week I defined the lists, and today began subscribing members (we're moving lists from IMail on a different host). Problem: cron started logging the following qrunner error once per minute today. sh: unexpected EOF while looking for `'' sh: -c: line 2: syntax error Any ideas? -Cassandra From crawford at reynolds.net.au Mon Jan 21 09:59:11 2002 From: crawford at reynolds.net.au (Ian Crawford) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:59:11 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist and config_list get stuck ... Message-ID: <3C4C48DF.27172.1DEE420@localhost> Forgive my ignorance, but ... When attempting to modfy a list attribute via config_list, e.g: $ bin/config_list -i linedance.cfg linedance it appears to hang on a keyboard wait. EOF gets ignored, but quit kills the process. Similar behaviour occurs when using withlist, e.g.: $ python -i bin/withlist -l linedance or $ bin/withlist -l -r xmf linedance Where xmf is a trivial function to set a list attribute. When using withlist, the locking flag (-l) seems to affect progress - i.e. if left off, the script loads with syntax errors, but responds to the keyboard. Python on its own interacts and loads scripts normally. What have I got caught by ? Thanks in advance ... From crawford at reynolds.net.au Mon Jan 21 10:02:11 2002 From: crawford at reynolds.net.au (Ian Crawford) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:02:11 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface for newlist? Message-ID: <3C4C4993.16366.1E1A10E@localhost> This really should be an FAQ, but : Is there an extension to the web interface to permit list creation and deletion ? Thanks, From claw at kanga.nu Mon Jan 21 10:18:25 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:18:25 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface for newlist? In-Reply-To: Message from "Ian Crawford" of "Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:02:11 +0800." <3C4C4993.16366.1E1A10E@localhost> References: <3C4C4993.16366.1E1A10E@localhost> Message-ID: <25478.1011604705@kanga.nu> On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:02:11 +0800 Ian Crawford wrote: > This really should be an FAQ, but : Is there an extension to the > web interface to permit list creation and deletion ? In 2.1. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From tmiller at nethawk.com Mon Jan 21 10:20:47 2002 From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:20:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists & Owners Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121041854.00a386e0@pop.nethawk.com> Would like a report of all lists and their respective admins. How can I do this? From bert.devuyst at intec.rug.ac.be Mon Jan 21 10:35:30 2002 From: bert.devuyst at intec.rug.ac.be (Bert De Vuyst) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:35:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirmation of subscription gets lost Message-ID: <02012110353004.31310@dexter> I have mailman 1.1 running (in /usr/local/mailman). It runs fine. I did install mailman 2.0.8 in /usr/local/mailman2 (It's for a virtual host) The webinterface works, but when a user subscribes to the list it goes wrong. Mailman sends a confirmation of the subscription. When the user sends a reply to the confirmation of subscription, it is ignored by mailman. The syslog file tells me that the mail did arrive. The mailman error log is empty, the subscribe file tells that the subscription is pending. What did I do wrong? Thanks for your help, Bert. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Jan 21 12:49:19 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:49:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients Error In-Reply-To: <3C492963.C5DFBC6F@pcraft.com> References: <3C47519D.4A6F4B13@yale.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121114503.03c83100@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 01:08 19/01/2002 -0700, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: >Mary-Kay Kaminski wrote: > > > medradpi-list-admin at vectra.med.yale.edu saying: "Your mail....is being > > held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it > > is being held: Too many recipients." > > > > A search of this error in your discussion archives has shed no light. > > Any ideas? All advice appreciated. > > By default, MM will only allow up to 10 recipients in a message > header (look in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py). Anything more than that > and MM will hold the message and replying to the sender that they should > trim the recipient list. Ask her to send a message to MM with less than > 10 other addresses CC-ed in it. You can change the max_num_recipients parameter (labelled 'Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting') for a given list via the list's Privacy Options admin web GUI page. >-- >H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 > http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From camel at lrllamas.com Mon Jan 21 13:01:14 2002 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:01:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CHAT: LIST: Message-ID: <20020121120117.4AA63859F@camel.lrllamas.com> Please remember to use the TOPICS - people are getting sloppy lately. -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner Alpacas Listowner member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at: http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/alpacas From cp at axs.org Mon Jan 21 13:11:26 2002 From: cp at axs.org (Chuck Peters) Date: 21 Jan 2002 07:11:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization template postheld.txt per list? Message-ID: <1011615086.14344.7914.camel@linuxgeek> How would I customize postheld.txt per list? Thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Peters Systems Administrator and Linux Tech serving Chester County InterLink, http://www.ccil.org, Starry Skies, http://StarrySkies.com http://EverydayLinux.com and many other non-profit and community groups of Chester County, PA. From linuxlog at yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 15:33:06 2002 From: linuxlog at yahoo.com (Logu) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:03:06 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not sent from mailman prg. Message-ID: <016401c1a288$95ccbf40$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> hi, If a mail from mailman program is sent to the users of other domains it is not going, but its delivering mail to the users of local domain properly. In the maillog i could find only the 'from' entry for this mail but there isn't any 'to' entries for it. In the mailman logs I find these posts as failures but nothing in the logs/error. Can somebody explain me why this happens.Is it a problem with sendmail(8.10) or mailman program. I have been trying to solve it for last one week but with no luck. Any help will be greatly appreciated. -Logu _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tmiller at nethawk.com Mon Jan 21 17:58:22 2002 From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:58:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists & Owners Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121115819.00a52040@pop.nethawk.com> Would like a report of all lists and their respective admins. How can I do this? From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Jan 21 19:44:43 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:44:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not sent from mailman prg. References: <016401c1a288$95ccbf40$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> Message-ID: <3C4C619B.601AED6A@pcraft.com> Logu wrote: > If a mail from mailman program is sent to the users of other domains it is > not going, but its delivering mail to the users of local domain properly. > In the maillog i could find only the 'from' entry for this mail but there > isn't any 'to' entries for it. In the mailman logs I find these posts as > failures but nothing in the logs/error. You don't say what Operating System you're running, however this looks very much like a RedHat system. By default RedHat installs Sendmail and sets it to only allow localhost deliveries. If so, in your sendmail.mc file, change: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA') to dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA') To comment it out. Rebuild sencmail.cf with: cp /etc/sendmail.cf /etc/sendmail.cf.save m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/sendmail.cf service sendmail restart The release notes cover this. By default, sendmail only listens on 127.0.0.1 -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From stuartd at alerton.com Mon Jan 21 19:51:29 2002 From: stuartd at alerton.com (Stuart Donaldson) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:51:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Threading and Outlook as an MUA Message-ID: <3C4C6331.5020700@alerton.com> Someone posted a message: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-January/016927.html Regarding problems with threading and outlook. I couldn't find any replies to it. It appears that replies sent using Outlook as the MUA will not thread properly. Are the developers aware of this? Is there a reasonable resolution yet? (please don't suggest dumping outlook) I tried logging a bug on Sourceforge, but encountered problems there. Regards, -Stuart- From cae at bklyn.org Mon Jan 21 19:52:08 2002 From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:52:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting posting to members of ANOTHER list? Message-ID: <20020121185208.GC9210@tela.bklyn.org> Hi. I've just set up mailman on FreeBSD with very little trouble and have a question about a configuration I'd like to use. Basically, I have a mailman list (an announce list) which I want members of two other lists (and ONLY those members) to be able to post to. Is this do-able in any way without setting up a ridiculously large "Addresses of members accepted for posting" list (one of the two lists is quite large). -- Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | You're not an alcoholic unless you go to cae at | Brooklyn Dust | the meetings. bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | From haroldp at sierraweb.com Mon Jan 21 21:17:40 2002 From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:17:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization template postheld.txt per list? In-Reply-To: <1011615086.14344.7914.camel@linuxgeek> References: <1011615086.14344.7914.camel@linuxgeek> Message-ID: Chuck, There was a great little hack for per-list template files posted on SourceForge, but it has not been updated in quite a while. The author was not interested in updating it since it is functionality that is built into MM 2.1. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=300103&aid=400953&func=detail If you know Python it probably wouldn't be too hard to bring it up to date with MM 2.0.8. Post it if you do! - H >How would I customize postheld.txt per list? > > >Thanks, >Chuck > >-- >Chuck Peters Systems Administrator and Linux Tech serving Chester County >InterLink, http://www.ccil.org, Starry Skies, http://StarrySkies.com >http://EverydayLinux.com and many other non-profit and community groups >of Chester County, PA. -- Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 From jdustin at sockeye.com Mon Jan 21 21:38:16 2002 From: jdustin at sockeye.com (Dustin Clampitt) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Switching from majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: References: <3C487E96.A49C2FAF@pcraft.com> <3C485D87.D1E36D3@pcraft.com> <3C48782B.9940592A@pcraft.com> <3C487E96.A49C2FAF@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121151834.02b18e08@fishy.sockeye.com> > >I'm sorry, if I expressed it incorrectly. Of course, I'm not looking >for Mailman compatibilty within Mailman. ;-) I'm transitioning from >majordomo to Mailman. So, I'm looking for majordomo compatibility. > > -frank Hi Frank. I feel your pain. I, too, am trying to make a transition from majordomo to mailman and have found zero information or answers on how to be able to do management with a single administrative password. Everybody says 'send a "help" message', but that doesn't nearly answer all the questions. What I want is the majordomo-like ability to invoke any administrative configuration command, using a single administrative password, via email, with no questions asked. I really think Mailman is much better than majordomo, but if I have to use a web interface for everything I'll eventually wind up hating it. Here's my command, here's my password, now just do it. I've been testing various commands on a dummy list, but it's a long process, and I'm surprised there isn't a document specifically slanted towards weaning people off majordomo. Here's the one I'm looking into now for somebody else who just re-hosted a list to a new provider who uses MM. There's a mess of these administrative "bounces" due to . . From: somebody at somewhere.com on Mon Jan 14 08:12:00 2002 Cause: Message body is too big: 41303 bytes but there's a limit of 40 KB I want to simply delete this task, via email. I'll send somebody a message saying the message was too big, and to try again. I'm sorry to say it, but the average end user doesn't want to use a web interface, either. I've been putting footer instructions in emails for years and most people still ignore them. That being the case I want full administrative control via email. I understand all the security implications of sending clear text passwords, but this is an email list we're talking about, not a banking system This is just my wish list. MM still looks like a great package. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dustin Clampitt - Sockeye Networks - 617 559 4019 - dclampitt at sockeye.com From molnar at kde.org Mon Jan 21 03:41:02 2002 From: molnar at kde.org (Christopher Molnar) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:41:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on gate_news script Message-ID: <200201202141.02577.molnar@kde.org> Hello, I have started to use mailman to be an interface from and to several mailling lists and newsgroups at news.uslinuxtraining.com. The inbound (maillist-->newsgroups) works perfectly, however I do have a question before I enable the outbound (newsgroups-->maillists). I am not the origionating host for most of these lists. If I receive a message in (for example from mail.kde.org), translate this to news, what prevents this message from being sent back to the sending address. Example: list address is: kde at mail.kde.org newsgroup is: kde.kde I have one subscriber: kde at mail.kde.org This one subscriber should get any posts made to the newsgroup, but NOT any post that comes in from the mail.kde.org server. (From the list address). Is this possible? Thanks, -Chris From ottercrk at centurytel.net Mon Jan 21 03:38:25 2002 From: ottercrk at centurytel.net (ottercrk) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:38:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail list cant be sent from Message-ID: <003501c1a224$b53ed200$e3dae6cf@galen> This problem has continued i am the administrator and i send updates out monthly i approve them and they do not send out i submit and it starts to go to your system , then i get a error saying can not find the page or site for the last 3 months i have a list that is useless , what can i do? please advise as it is costling business to suffer "See you on the line" Galen otter creek web address is www.northcoast.com/ottercrk. e-mail us at ottercrk at centurytel.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020120/5418cbdd/attachment.htm From franco.giacomozzi at gmpr.it Mon Jan 21 13:37:43 2002 From: franco.giacomozzi at gmpr.it (franco.giacomozzi at gmpr.it) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:37:43 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message trucated Message-ID: I have posted to my list a message (not so long, 10 Kbyte). The message was text/plain IN the general option for my list i have setted the maximum size limit to 100 Kbyte, but the message do appear truncated in the pending administratio list What's the problem? Than's in advance Franco From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Jan 21 23:21:52 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:21:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail list cant be sent from References: <003501c1a224$b53ed200$e3dae6cf@galen> Message-ID: <3C4C9480.A0858FDA@pcraft.com> ottercrk wrote: > This problem has continuedi am the administrator and i send updates > out monthlyi approve them and they do not send outi submit and it > starts to go to your system , then i get a error saying can not find > the page or sitefor the last 3 months i have a list that is useless > , what can i do?please advise as it is costling business to suffer Have you checked for stale locks? Look in ~mailman/locks -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Tue Jan 22 02:51:49 2002 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:51:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages with gate_news in 2.0.8 In-Reply-To: <1011116358.2419.82.camel@office.openconcept.ca> References: Message-ID: <3C4C6367.20450.18F6253A@localhost> I've been using gate_news to port a number of news groups to mailing lists. It's worked well for several months, up until a week or so ago. I am using FreeBSD 4.3, Mailman 2.0.8, and Postfix (sorry, I forgot which version). Now, I'm re-getting older messages. Today, the 21st, I'm getting messages as far back as the 15th and 16th. I am getting the current messages also. What's stranger still is that a look in the archives I am keeping doesn't reveal the duplicate messages. A look at the news server doesn't reveal any duplicate messages either. I'm kind of stumped as to where to start looking for the problem. When I review the mailq, all the messages look current, and I suppose that's correct in that they were fetched from the news server today. Once they are email messages again, they are outdated. Any hints greatly appreciated, thanks, Mike From jonc at haht.com Tue Jan 22 03:26:12 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:26:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message trucated References: Message-ID: <004b01c1a2ec$2980e820$0b04010a@JCARNES> The web-admin only shows a portion of the pending message (unless the message is small). Don't worry, the whole message is there. You can change how much of the pending message gets displayed in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (and Defaults.py). If you are interested, the FAQ has a write up of the exact process which explains why only a portion of the message is displayed. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:37 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message trucated > I have posted to my list a message (not so long, 10 Kbyte). The message was > text/plain > IN the general option for my list i have setted the maximum size limit to > 100 Kbyte, but the message > do appear truncated in the pending administratio list > > What's the problem? > > Than's in advance > Franco > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From chrish at apc.edu.ph Tue Jan 22 04:15:24 2002 From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:15:24 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman doesn't run??? Message-ID: i recently changed hard disks for my mail server, which includes a mailman installation. i copied all files (including /home/mailman) to a new hard disk, with permissions, uid, and gid intact. nothing changed ('cept for a few archive files) when i checked with bin/check_perms. but when i tried sending to any of the lists, i see from the mail log that it was sent. after waiting for a minute (since this is the time set in my crontab), i was expecting that the mails will be sent. but, unfortunately, nothing happened. does mailman still work after just copying it to another hard drive (i used rsync to transfer the files)? can you please help me??? ----------------------- Spawn - The Scourge of the Damned Chris G Haravata IT Resource Officer-Magallanes Asia Pacific College (http://www.apc.edu.ph) #3 Humabon Place, Magallanes Subd., Makati City Tel No 8529232 loc 402 Cell No 0916.3500465 http://www.dynamicsms.com.au/intro.asp?ref=09163500465&refc=382 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/2002 From franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Tue Jan 22 08:41:59 2002 From: franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in (Francis Jayakanth) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:11:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 Message-ID: Hi: We have been using mailman for about a year without much of a problem. However, since yesterday, I'm having problem in accessing the 'Tend to pending administrative requests' from the admin activities. The error displayed is : Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs I just upgraded the mailman s/w to the latest stable ver. 2.0.8.. This also didn't help. Can somebody let me know what needs to be done to get over the problem. thank you very much, - Francis NCSI, IISc., Bangalore, India franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in From mailman at RobertJShepherd.com Tue Jan 22 10:37:17 2002 From: mailman at RobertJShepherd.com (Robert J Shepherd) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:37:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation Autoresponders & Administrivia In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A0247252622F78F3@NETIVITY-FS> Message-ID: We've got a list that's plagued by vacation autoresponders, which is something Mailman 2.0x doesn't handle well. When I look back through the archives of the mailman-users list, I see that it crops up time and again without any meaningful solution (I don't count unsubbing the villains, manual moderation, whinging about broken autoresponders or re-setting Mailman reply-to as solutions). Of course, a part-solution is to capture vacation-style subject lines using the 'header value' box on the Privacy page of the web administration. This works. But doesn't capture responses that only mention offices and vacations in the message body. I believe I have the answer. in Utils.py lurks the list of administrivia phrases that cause mail to be held for moderation. I see no reason why I shouldn't add the worst offending vacation replies to this list. Indeed, I have and it works. HOWEVER, it only captures text patterns at the *beginning* of the message body. If the body begins with "unsubscribe" or "options" (etc) or, as I now have it, "I will be out of the office" etc., the offending post is held for approval. But if any of those phrases (including the original administrivia phrases) appear further down the message body, the script misses them and the message goes out to the list. SO ... anyone know how to extend the administrivia settings to capture any recurrence of a pattern in, say, the first 3 to 5 lines of a message? (NB. Normal Perl-style regexp pattern-matching doesn't seem to work here.) Specifically: each pattern in Utils.py follows the form "who": (0,0), What do those numbers in the brackets mean and are they the clue to my answer? Or is the answer elsewhere? Solve this and you've solved the whole vacation autoresponders problem, IMO. Any help truly gratefully received. TIA Robert From Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se Tue Jan 22 11:21:26 2002 From: Martin.Skjoldebrand at forumsyd.se (Martin Skjoldebrand) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:21:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Urgent: mailcmd got bad listname: Message-ID: I've setup a new list, added aliases to sendmail but keep getting the error: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/chroot/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd liberal" (reason: 1) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Mailman error: mailcmd got bad listname: liberal 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 When replying to the confirmation email from Mailman. What to do? I think I read something about the being an "infamous" problem but I can't find it in the archives. Anyone who can point me to the relevant solution? This is on Mailman 2.0.8 and RH 7.1. Will it be possible to do searches on Mailman 2.1 archives? mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "To err is human--and to blame it on a computer is even more so." From dabad at cidadei.com.br Tue Jan 22 14:04:16 2002 From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:04:16 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nno require password for WEB unsubscribe Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C58B@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Hi all! I use this like a solution for unsubscribe without a password.. but, how to do the same using my browser? I need to create a simple webpage that unsubscribe my user without use pass. Is it possible?? Tks all. Daniel -----Mensagem original----- De: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 16 de janeiro de 2002 05:28 Para: tdavis at birddog.com; Jon Carnes Cc: mailman-users at python.org Assunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? On Tuesday 15 January 2002 16:29, tdavis at birddog.com wrote: > I was pondering this idea. Great idea it is too. > But is there a way to get the email address from the FROM headers rather > than have them explicity put it in the subject line ? > > I see a problem in the FROM headers where they can have a bunch of stuff > in there like name and whatever else like "Foo Bar " > > Any thoughts here? > Easy, use: UNSUB=`grep -i "From: " - |head -1 |tr "<>" " " ` The command tr is translate, and we're using it here to convert any < or > into a blank. The rest of the script then handles it from there, looking for an isolated string that has a @ inside it. BTW: A friend of mine came up with a more elegant solution for doing the unsubscribes... - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email: volleyball-unsub: "|/home/mailman/ext/v-unsub" - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext mkdir /home/mailman/ext chown mail /home/mailman/ext chmod 0700 /home/mailman/ext - In /home/mailman/ext create the script "v-unsub": #!/home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman # This script runs as user mailman, but is only executable by user mail # script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list # Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com # Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1` for i in $UNSUB do /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i done # End of script - Make the script executable: chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub - In the /etc/smrsh directory: ln -s /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub v-unsub - Copy and modify bash so that it runs as user mailman: cp /bin/bash /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman chown mailman.mailman /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman chmod 0555 /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman chmod u+s,g+s /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman === The directory /home/mailman/ext has rights such that only the mail user can access the files within. The copied version of "bash" now called "bash_mailman" has it's ownership changed to mailman and then has it's UID and GID bits set. Any script that runs using it as a shell will now run as the user mailman with group mailman. Wahoo! Jon Carnes ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From submit at partyvibe.com Tue Jan 22 14:31:34 2002 From: submit at partyvibe.com (submit at partyvibe.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:31:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] fixing the 'General list information page'? Message-ID: Hello, Could someone please tell me how to fix the 'General list information page' subscribe button bug after upgrading from 2.0 to 2.0.8? Thanks. hugh From bruno at postle.net Tue Jan 22 15:41:02 2002 From: bruno at postle.net (Bruno Postle) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:41:02 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Threading and Outlook as an MUA In-Reply-To: <3C4C6331.5020700@alerton.com> References: <3C4C6331.5020700@alerton.com> Message-ID: <20020122144102.GC1793@postle.net> On Mon 21-Jan-2002 at 10:51:29AM -0800, Stuart Donaldson wrote: > Someone posted a message: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-January/016927.html > > Regarding problems with threading and outlook. I couldn't find any > replies to it. > > It appears that replies sent using Outlook as the MUA will not thread > properly. This is in the new FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.010.htp Basically, the problem isn't with Outlook, it's just a coincidence that your Outlook users happen to post via mis-configured mail-servers. -- Bruno From linuxlog at yahoo.com Tue Jan 22 15:18:13 2002 From: linuxlog at yahoo.com (Logu) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:48:13 +0530 Subject: [LIH] Re: [Mailman-Users] mail not sent from mailman prg. References: <016401c1a288$95ccbf40$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> <3C4C619B.601AED6A@pcraft.com> Message-ID: <005001c1a34f$a547e220$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> > > If a mail from mailman program is sent to the users of other domains it is > > not going, but its delivering mail to the users of local domain properly. > > In the maillog i could find only the 'from' entry for this mail but there > > isn't any 'to' entries for it. In the mailman logs I find these posts as > > failures but nothing in the logs/error. > > You don't say what Operating System you're running, however this looks very > much like a RedHat system. By default RedHat installs Sendmail and sets it to > only allow localhost deliveries. > It is sendmail 8.10 on mandrake 6.0 > If so, in your sendmail.mc file, change: > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA') > to > dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA') > All those things are properly set. If this is the case I should have got relaying denied message in the maillogs. Correct me if i am wrong. -logu _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jonc at haht.com Tue Jan 22 15:25:24 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:25:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: No required password for WEB unsubscribe References: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C58B@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br> Message-ID: <001f01c1a350$a1e27a90$0b04010a@JCARNES> Fairly simple if you know how to write a CGI. You can even create a very simple CGI app that passes in the email address and executes the script. I do this with my CGI for changing users Passwords across all our systems. The script modifies local passwords, the NIS, and our PDC (via samba). Whenever I need to make modifications, I just change the script and since the Web-based app is simply a GUI for access to the script, the Web works too. BTW: that app is comes from Staf Wagemakers. It is written in C and can be found at: http://www.stafwag.f2s.com/cgipaf If you ever wanted to learn how to write a CGI in C, then I recommend downloading his project and playing with it. The code is modular, well documented, and easily adapted to other purposes. Jon Carnes As my friend Matt always says: if you can't think of three different ways of doing it (in Linux) then you just aren't trying! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Abad" To: ; ; "Jon Carnes" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: Nno require password for WEB unsubscribe > Hi all! > > I use this like a solution for unsubscribe without a password.. but, how to > do the same using my browser? > I need to create a simple webpage that unsubscribe my user without use pass. > Is it possible?? > > Tks all. > > Daniel > > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 16 de janeiro de 2002 05:28 > Para: tdavis at birddog.com; Jon Carnes > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Assunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] no require password for unsubscribe? > > > On Tuesday 15 January 2002 16:29, tdavis at birddog.com wrote: > > I was pondering this idea. Great idea it is too. > > But is there a way to get the email address from the FROM headers rather > > than have them explicity put it in the subject line ? > > > > I see a problem in the FROM headers where they can have a bunch of stuff > > in there like name and whatever else like "Foo Bar " > > > > Any thoughts here? > > > > Easy, use: > UNSUB=`grep -i "From: " - |head -1 |tr "<>" " " ` > > The command tr is translate, and we're using it here to convert any < or > > into a blank. The rest of the script then handles it from there, looking > for an isolated string that has a @ inside it. > > BTW: A friend of mine (Matt Hoover) came up with a more elegant > solution for doing the unsubscribes... > > - In the aliases file, add an entry for the unsubscribe email: > volleyball-unsub: "|/home/mailman/ext/v-unsub" > > - Create the directory /home/mailman/ext > mkdir /home/mailman/ext > chown mail /home/mailman/ext > chmod 0700 /home/mailman/ext > > - In /home/mailman/ext create the script "v-unsub": > > #!/home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman > # This script runs as user mailman, but is only executable by user mail > # script to unsubscribe user from volleyball list > # Mail to volleyball-unsub at haht.com > # Subject: unsubscribe username at domain.com > UNSUB=`grep -i "Subject: " - |head -1` > for i in $UNSUB > do > /home/mailman/bin/remove_members volleyball $i > done > # End of script > > > - Make the script executable: > chmod a+x /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub > > - In the /etc/smrsh directory: > ln -s /home/mailman/ext/v-unsub v-unsub > > - Copy and modify bash so that it runs as user mailman: > cp /bin/bash /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman > chown mailman.mailman /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman > chmod 0555 /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman > chmod u+s,g+s /home/mailman/ext/bash_mailman > > === > > The directory /home/mailman/ext has rights such that only the mail user can > access the files within. The copied version of "bash" now called > "bash_mailman" has it's ownership changed to mailman and then has it's UID > and GID bits set. Any script that runs using it as a shell will now run as > the user mailman with group mailman. > > Wahoo! > > Jon Carnes > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Jan 22 16:39:45 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:39:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 References: Message-ID: <3C4D87C1.3ED8FEDE@pcraft.com> Francis Jayakanth wrote: > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of > traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but > the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs So, what do you see in the logs? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Jan 22 17:07:56 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:07:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mail not sent from mailman prg. References: <016401c1a288$95ccbf40$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> <3C4C619B.601AED6A@pcraft.com> <005001c1a34f$a547e220$5f0110ac@kovaiteam.com> Message-ID: <3C4D8E5C.42B7100F@pcraft.com> Logu wrote: > All those things are properly set. Set yes, but did you also regenerate your sendmail.cf file and restarted sendmail so that it actually takes effect? > If this is the case I should have got > relaying denied message in the maillogs. > Correct me if i am wrong. Not for local mail. You said your local mail does get delivered, it's remote mail that doesn't. By default only local mail is allowed to be delivered. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From tdavis at birddog.com Tue Jan 22 19:26:31 2002 From: tdavis at birddog.com (Terry Davis) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:26:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination - help Message-ID: <3C4DAED7.7060606@birddog.com> For compatibility reasons, I created virtuser entries for all of my lists. There are some old email addresses that people use to use for the list functions. For example: foo-list at lists.domain.com has a virtuser of foo at birddog.com. If I send an email to foo at birddog.com it will require approval. What can I do to get around the approval? Thank you -- Terry Davis Systems Administrator BirdDog Solutions, Inc. (402) 829-6059 www.birddog.com From cae at bklyn.org Tue Jan 22 19:36:41 2002 From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:36:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination - help In-Reply-To: <3C4DAED7.7060606@birddog.com> References: <3C4DAED7.7060606@birddog.com> Message-ID: <20020122183641.GA4668@tela.bklyn.org> On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 12:26:31PM -0600, Terry Davis wrote: > For compatibility reasons, I created virtuser entries for all of my > lists. There are some old email addresses that people use to use > for the list functions. For example: foo-list at lists.domain.com has > a virtuser of foo at birddog.com. If I send an email to > foo at birddog.com it will require approval. What can I do to get > around the approval? I tink you can just add foo at birddog.com it under the "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list (acceptable_aliases)" on the Privacy Options admin page. -- Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | "If anything can go wrong, it will." -- cae at | Brooklyn Dust | Edsel Murphy bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | From dylan at algore04.com Wed Jan 23 00:22:34 2002 From: dylan at algore04.com (Dylan Malone) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:22:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSX Server- Can I Get Sendmail and AppleMail to Work Together? Message-ID: Forgive my newbiehood. I've been reading the archives for hours before pestering the list. I'm trying to install MailMan on OSX Server 10.1.2 (the latest and greatest). I was able to get Python installed, and mailman installed correctly. Now I'm at the dreaded stage of having everything going just swell- EXCEPT my aliases never work. The mail bounces back as unkown user. (I can send out welcome messages) I was able to add the aliases in the right place and calling newaliases produced this in the mail.log: Jan 22 14:42:53 algore04 sendmail[558]: /etc/mail/aliases: 4 aliases, longest 58 bytes, 218 bytes total Jan 22 14:49:11 algore04 sendmail[594]: alias database /etc/mail/aliases rebuilt by admin So it looks like it's working. Now, OSX Server is an odd beast. It isn't only Sendmail. Apple threw in their own Mail Server too. Normally sendmail stays dormant. It doesn't look like Apple's (still very new and not very good yet) mail server can even support aliases. So, I'm trying to get sendmail to take over at least enough of the mail functions to get mailman working. Has anyone else crossed this bridge yet? I see that there are some OSX users on the list... If sendmail isn't the best choice, can I get another OSX binary that works well with Mailman? Thank you, I am grateful. -Dylan From dylan at algore04.com Wed Jan 23 00:36:04 2002 From: dylan at algore04.com (Dylan Malone) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:36:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsch, wrapper, and OSX Message-ID: I'm sorry to post back-to-back, I just had a breakthrough. I finally got mailman a little more involved in the process, though it's still not working. Does this returned message tell anyone anything that can help me? (note that I installed mailman somewhere other than the default, I think OSX didn't like the default location very well) I read the sendmail readme several times, but I don't seem to have a smrsch directory, or I'm too ignorant to find it... It sure sounds like smrsh is causing me trouble, but i can't understand the readme's instructions. ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/library/webserver/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dylan" (reason: service unavailable) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 5.0.0 "|/library/webserver/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dylan"... 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All I can deduce is that this must be a permissions problem, try using tar to move the files across and make sure the new mailman user had the same UID/GID as the old on on the old system. Good luck! Craig On 22/1/02 2:15 PM, "Chris G Haravata" wrote: > i recently changed hard disks for my mail server, which includes a mailman > installation. i copied all files (including /home/mailman) to a new hard > disk, with permissions, uid, and gid intact. nothing changed ('cept for a > few archive files) when i checked with bin/check_perms. > > but when i tried sending to any of the lists, i see from the mail log that > it was sent. after waiting for a minute (since this is the time set in my > crontab), i was expecting that the mails will be sent. but, unfortunately, > nothing happened. does mailman still work after just copying it to another > hard drive (i used rsync to transfer the files)? > > can you please help me??? > > ----------------------- > Spawn - The Scourge of the Damned > > Chris G Haravata > IT Resource Officer-Magallanes > Asia Pacific College (http://www.apc.edu.ph) > #3 Humabon Place, Magallanes Subd., > Makati City > Tel No 8529232 loc 402 > Cell No 0916.3500465 > http://www.dynamicsms.com.au/intro.asp?ref=09163500465&refc=382 > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/2002 > > > -- Craig Richardson, BSc Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science email: craig at maccs.mq.edu.au phone : +61 2 98506730 fax: +61 2 9850 6059 Office : C5A567 From jdustin at sockeye.com Wed Jan 23 03:02:09 2002 From: jdustin at sockeye.com (Dustin Clampitt) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:02:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] uns ubscribe user@somewhere.com? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122205209.02b51460@fishy.sockeye.com> (spaces used to thwart administrivia) uns ubscribe "admin_password" user at somewhere.com I thought I had found a way to do this, but now I can't do it. How does the list administrator uns ubscribe an address, via email, without knowing the user's password? It appears the list subscriber/user has more privilege than the list administrator. Is there a password configured somewhere that permits the list administrator to do the same things as a user? I would hope that the command parser would check for the user password, and if that fails check for an administrative, or privileged password. It would also be good to have a privileged password for email commands that is separate from the password for the list owner so that the list administrators real password isn't sent as clear text. I'm assuming the creators of mailman monitor this list. Is there a page somewhere that shows features planned for future releases? How do we submit our feature requests to the developers? Thanks, Dustin Clampitt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dustin Clampitt - Sockeye Networks - 617 559 4019 - dclampitt at sockeye.com From gerardo at mealy.fciencias.unam.mx Tue Jan 22 02:51:29 2002 From: gerardo at mealy.fciencias.unam.mx (Torres Lopez Gerardo) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:51:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a problem... Message-ID: <200201220151.TAA23607@mealy.fciencias.unam.mx> i have a problem, can't receive mails in the list... with th message: sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs i've already read the FAQ's about making a link from wrapper to the directory identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh. What exactly executable means? i founded sendmail and smrsh but what about the option 'post' in the list alias?.. One more thing, i've made the pipermail alias in my web server bu when i get the link my-list Archives the server don't see the list archives - links in public directory. Thanx Gerardo Torres From kt4u at earthlink.net Tue Jan 22 14:11:54 2002 From: kt4u at earthlink.net (JV) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:11:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] header Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020122080245.00a9d7b0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Good Morning I have a suggestion. I am subscribed to serval mailman reflectors. Is there any way that the tos, froms, and lists in the header be placed at the bottom of the message? The tos, froms and lists take up approximately 75% of the screen. I received over 100 message a day and it becomes a pain to have to scroll down the page almost every time in order to see the message. Thanks JV Staples From hugh at partyvibe.com Tue Jan 22 14:28:06 2002 From: hugh at partyvibe.com (hugh) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:28:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broken subscribe button in 'General list information page' Message-ID: <002201c1a348$a04da360$1600a8c0@home> Hello, Could someone please tell me how to fix the 'General list information page' subscribe button bug after upgrading from 2.0 to 2.0.8? Thanks. hugh From nat1angel at hotmail.com Tue Jan 22 14:47:00 2002 From: nat1angel at hotmail.com (Natalie Deslandes) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:47:00 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lastly a comment: I note in the Wishlist an item to "Use all the new wizzy Python 2.0 features". I hope that you will have some consideration for those of us with production servers where we don't want to go adding things like python 2. I would also hope you are using wizzy features not just because they are there, but because the specifically make thing better. As a coder, wishes like that give me the willies. I like Mailman, I'd like to see it get better, not just full of more features. Please cc: replies to me, I'm not subscribed to mailman-users. -- What if Mary had been a Satanist? http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD From delpy at sover.net Wed Jan 23 00:50:47 2002 From: delpy at sover.net (Delpy) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:50:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSX Server- Can I Get Sendmail and AppleMail to Work Together? References: Message-ID: <03dd01c1a3a0$53624ad0$6601a8c0@sanmik.com> I'm not sure about an OS X binary but Mailman is a snap to get working with www.exim.org Aliases are automatic and that alone makes it (exim) worth the search/effort. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan Malone" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSX Server- Can I Get Sendmail and AppleMail to Work Together? > Forgive my newbiehood. I've been reading the archives for hours before > pestering the list. > > I'm trying to install MailMan on OSX Server 10.1.2 (the latest and > greatest). I was able to get Python installed, and mailman installed > correctly. Now I'm at the dreaded stage of having everything going just > swell- EXCEPT my aliases never work. The mail bounces back as unkown > user. (I can send out welcome messages) > > I was able to add the aliases in the right place and calling newaliases > produced this in the mail.log: > > Jan 22 14:42:53 algore04 sendmail[558]: /etc/mail/aliases: 4 aliases, > longest 58 bytes, 218 bytes total > Jan 22 14:49:11 algore04 sendmail[594]: alias database /etc/mail/aliases > rebuilt by admin > > So it looks like it's working. > > Now, OSX Server is an odd beast. It isn't only Sendmail. Apple threw > in their own Mail Server too. Normally sendmail stays dormant. It > doesn't look like Apple's (still very new and not very good yet) mail > server can even support aliases. So, I'm trying to get sendmail to take > over at least enough of the mail functions to get mailman working. > > Has anyone else crossed this bridge yet? I see that there are some OSX > users on the list... If sendmail isn't the best choice, can I get > another OSX binary that works well with Mailman? > > Thank you, I am grateful. > -Dylan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From melinda at cakenyc.com Wed Jan 23 03:31:02 2002 From: melinda at cakenyc.com (Melinda Gallagher) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:31:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble shooting question Message-ID: <026201c1a3b6$00fadb20$ea026c42@nyc.rr.com> Hi, My mailman list is host through hostway. It seems that some of the peopple subscribed to my list are no longer receiving emails posted by the poster (the owner-myself) but there is no indication on my end that these messages are being bounced back. Any suggestions as to why this may be happening? --Melinda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020122/3c290caf/attachment.htm From franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in Wed Jan 23 04:47:49 2002 From: franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in (Francis Jayakanth) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:17:49 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 In-Reply-To: <3C4D87C1.3ED8FEDE@pcraft.com> Message-ID: Hi: The error message is: Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 115, in main PrintRequests(mlist, doc) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 131, in PrintRequests if not mlist.NumRequestsPending(): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending self.__opendb() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb self.__db = marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected I really don't understand a thing from the error message. Pl. let me know what needs to be done. thanks, - Francis On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > Francis Jayakanth wrote: > > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of > > traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but > > the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs > > So, what do you see in the logs? > > -- > W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 > IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 > Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 > http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. > > > From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net Wed Jan 23 13:58:56 2002 From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:58:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] header In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020122080245.00a9d7b0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020123045107.00b499b0@pop.mindspring.com> At 2002-01-22 08:11 -0500, JV wrote: > I have a suggestion. I am subscribed to serval mailman > reflectors. Is there any way that the tos, froms, and lists in the > header be placed at the bottom of the message? The tos, froms and lists > take up approximately 75% of the screen. I received over 100 message a > day and it becomes a pain to have to scroll down the page almost every > time in order to see the message. JV, You can configure Eudora, so it doesn't display these headers by default. To accomplish this, you need to modify TabooHeaders in eudora.ini [1]. You may want to look at ReadMessageStyleSheet too. [1] http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/ini.html -- Mike Noyes https://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=1000&page_id=4 From jonc at haht.com Wed Jan 23 16:52:31 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:52:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] headers; wizzy features; search References: <200201222201.g0MM1RS20951@habitrail.home.fools-errant.com> Message-ID: <006e01c1a425$f7b712c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hacksaw" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] headers; wizzy features; search > I have two question and a comment. I'm using Mailman 2.0.8 on python 1.5.2, on > a RH6.2 box running sendmail 8.11. > > 1. How might I turn off the majority of List-* headers? List-id is useful, but > I have had a complaint about the 7 new headers that have shown up as being a > bit excessive, especially considering each message has a link to a web page > with all those options. > On Tuesday 27 November 2001 19:36, Paul Tomblin wrote: > Is there any way to suppress those "List*" headers. One of the people on > my mailing lists is complaining that they seem to be forcing his email > to be HTML. (He uses Eudora.) Its quite easy to do. You edit one file - please backup the file before you edit it!: ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py headers = { 'List-Id' : listid, 'List-Help' : '' % requestaddr, 'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'), 'List-Subscribe' : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''), 'List-Post' : '' % mlist.GetListEmail(), } Feel free to delete any of the lines inside the "headers" clause, but I would recommend that you leave 'List-Id'. BTW: I strongly feel that this should be in the FAQ, even though I fully agree that the problem is with the Mail client (the MUA) and not with Mailman. Jon Carnes From webmaster at freespeech.org Wed Jan 23 18:53:50 2002 From: webmaster at freespeech.org (Aaron M Daley) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:53:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list e-mail adresses not being created Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123102031.00b17c40@mail.freespeech.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020123/9dda05e6/attachment.html From webmaster at freespeech.org Wed Jan 23 19:03:46 2002 From: webmaster at freespeech.org (Aaron M Daley) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:03:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list e-mail adresses not being created Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123110304.00b1ba88@mail.freespeech.org> I have been running mailman successfully for about a year now with about 7 active lists. Yesterday I tried to set up a new list "rapscallion". It seemed to go fine. I recieved the usual confirmation letter with the new list info. When I tried to subscribe to it, that also seemed to go ok untill I recieved the confirmation e-mail. When I tried to reply to the confirmation, the e-mail is continuously returned as undeliverable with the following error: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown The same goes for rapscallion-admin and rapscallion-owner. For some reason it is not setting up the new e-mail addresses. I have tried deleting the list and recreating it. i've tried recreating under a different list name but to no avail. Has anyone else run into this problem? Aaron webmaster at freespeech.org From jonc at haht.com Wed Jan 23 19:03:36 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:03:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list e-mail adresses not being created References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123102031.00b17c40@mail.freespeech.org> Message-ID: <014e01c1a438$47c98ec0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Sounds like you didn't add them to the Aliases file for your MTA. Are you running Sendmail on Linux? The aliases file for sendmail (and most MTAs) is /etc/aliases Check to see that you added the aliases correctly and then be sure that you have run "newaliases". Always try the simple things first. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron M Daley To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list e-mail adresses not being created I have been running mailman successfully for about a year now with about 7 active lists. Yesterday I tried to set up a new list "rapscallion". It seemed to go fine. I recieved the usual confirmation letter with the new list info. When I tried to subscribe to it, that also seemed to go ok untill I recieved the confirmation e-mail. When I tried to reply to the confirmation, the e-mail is continuously returned as undeliverable with the following error: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown The same goes for rapscallion-admin and rapscallion-owner. For some reason it is not setting up the new e-mail addresses. I have tried deleting the list and recreating it. i've tried recreating under a different list name but to no avail. Has anyone else run into this problem? Aaron M Daley Free Speech TV Systems Administrator webmaster at freespeech.org ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020123/8f279988/attachment.htm From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 23 19:06:44 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:06:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new list e-mail adresses not being created References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123110304.00b1ba88@mail.freespeech.org> Message-ID: <3C4EFBB3.DAE8E239@pcraft.com> Aaron M Daley wrote: > >>> RCPT To: > <<< 550 ... User unknown > > The same goes for rapscallion-admin and rapscallion-owner. For some reason > it is not setting up the new e-mail addresses. I have tried deleting the > list and recreating it. i've tried recreating under a different list name > but to no avail. Has anyone else run into this problem? Um, did you actually have it add them to your aliases file, and did you recreate your aliases file (by running 'newaliases')? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From nagel at ursu.uregina.ca Wed Jan 23 19:08:09 2002 From: nagel at ursu.uregina.ca (David Nagel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:08:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't remove user Message-ID: Hello, I'm using Mailman 2.0.6 on Red Hat 7.1 One of my list administrators added an address to one of our lists and he put a " character at the beginning of the address ("user at stuff.org) Now I can't delete the user with the web interface or from the command line. I can't even list the users of that list with the list_users command. Is there a way for me to remove this user from the list? -- David Nagel Director of Communications & Information Services U of R Students' Union Regina, SK, S4S 0A2 From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Jan 23 19:46:49 2002 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:46:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.8 and Python 2.2? Message-ID: If I'm upgrading my systems to new releases, is there any reason not to use 2.0.8 with Python 2.2? Or should I stick with 2.1.2? Any gotchas here? From pjs at isnc.net Wed Jan 23 20:51:27 2002 From: pjs at isnc.net (pjs) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible bug ? Problems adding addresses with latest CVS (Mailman 2.1a4+) Message-ID: <001f01c1a447$5af7d830$0311a8c0@antares> Hi, I'm running the latest CVS version of mailman (call me a risk-taker :) on a Redhat 7.1 box, and I'm running into the following error when trying to subscribe a user from the "Membership Management ... Mass Subscription" web page: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 86, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 166, in main change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1332, in change_options send_admin_notif) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 778, in ApprovedAddMember self.SendSubscribeAck(email, self.getMemberPassword(email), digest) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 70, in SendSubscribeAck msg.send(self) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 126, in send self['Date'] = email.Utils.formatdate(localtime=1) TypeError: formatdate() got an unexpected keyword argument 'localtime' So i figured I'd try it from the command line. Not much luck there, either. Ended up with a different error: root at mail$ ./add_members --welcome-msg=y --admin-notify=y --non-digest-members-file=add y test-list Traceback (most recent call last): File "./add_members", line 272, in ? main() File "./add_members", line 249, in main addall(mlist, nmembers, 0, send_welcome_msg, s) File "./add_members", line 157, in addall except MMHostileAddress: NameError: global name 'MMHostileAddress' is not defined I realize this should probably have gone to the developers list, but I'm not one, and am not sure if I'd be welcome there :) Anyone have any ideas on the above errors ? Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks, Pete From jeff at xsusio.com Wed Jan 23 21:41:34 2002 From: jeff at xsusio.com (Jeffrey Davis) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:41:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: Aliases in postfix not being created Message-ID: <40443.129.109.166.146.1011818494.squirrel@mail.xsusio.com> Newbie question here (tried to look for the answer in the archives but its not searchable!) I have installed Mailman on my Linux RedHat 7.2 server following instructions explicitly. I am able to create lists and able to administer the lists through the web interface but am not able to send messages to the list. Postfix is telling me that the user does not exist (the list alias). I checked the postfix aliases and sure enough its *not* there. The list name is "test". I do have these aliases: mailman -> me mailman-owner -> mailman My question is two fold: 1. Why isn't mailman creating the aliases automatically when I run ./newlist 2. If I want to add the alias "test" manually what does this alias map to? Thanks in advance for the help! -Jeff Davis From stuartd at alerton.com Wed Jan 23 22:23:24 2002 From: stuartd at alerton.com (Stuart Donaldson) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:23:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Threading and Outlook as an MUA Message-ID: On code inspection of pipermail, it appears as though it is intended to fall back to fallback to subject threading if there are no In-Reply-To: or References: headers. However it is broken. I've patched a solution that appears to work for me, and posted a query on this to the developers list. -Stuart- -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Postle [mailto:bruno at postle.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 6:41 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Threading and Outlook as an MUA On Mon 21-Jan-2002 at 10:51:29AM -0800, Stuart Donaldson wrote: > Someone posted a message: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-January/016927.html > > Regarding problems with threading and outlook. I couldn't find any > replies to it. > > It appears that replies sent using Outlook as the MUA will not thread > properly. This is in the new FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.010.htp Basically, the problem isn't with Outlook, it's just a coincidence that your Outlook users happen to post via mis-configured mail-servers. -- Bruno ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Jan 23 23:00:34 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:00:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: Aliases in postfix not being created References: <40443.129.109.166.146.1011818494.squirrel@mail.xsusio.com> Message-ID: <3C4F3282.2CBF8967@pcraft.com> Jeffrey Davis wrote: > 1. Why isn't mailman creating the aliases automatically when I run ./newlist Because different MTA's use different alias files and MM can't just go on assuming what you have, where it is and how to add it. Aliases _can_ be added automatically if you tell it to by supplying the -o [1] on the command line: ./newlist -o /etc/mail/aliases (for sendmail) However, it won't run the newaliases command for you, you need to do that yourself. And I don't know what your MTA needs in terms of aliases. > 2. If I want to add the alias "test" manually what does this alias map to? MM tells you the aliases at the end of the list creation process, just prior to sending mail out to the list owner.: ./bin/newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: ashley at pcraft.com Initial test password: Entry for aliases file: ## test mailing list ## created: 23-Jan-2002 mailman test: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" test-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" test-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" test-owner: test-admin AMK4 [1] Read ./newlist -h -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From spam at gemal.dk Wed Jan 23 15:01:08 2002 From: spam at gemal.dk (Henrik Gemal) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:01:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and archive Message-ID: <3C4EC224.8010705@gemal.dk> If you dont want your posting to appear on the web in the Archives how do you do? Can you insert a header or something? -- Henrik Gemal Mozilla Evangelist Get the latest and greatest Mozilla web browser at: http://gemal.dk/mozilla/ From cae at bklyn.org Wed Jan 23 23:33:37 2002 From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:33:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and archive In-Reply-To: <3C4EC224.8010705@gemal.dk> References: <3C4EC224.8010705@gemal.dk> Message-ID: <20020123223337.GA8423@tela.bklyn.org> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:01:08PM +0100, Henrik Gemal wrote: > If you dont want your posting to appear on the web in the Archives > how do you do? Can you insert a header or something? The standard way to do this would be to add an X-No-Archive: yes in your email header. Looking at the Mailman code, it does seem to honor this (specifically the file Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py) -- Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org |"There is no statute of limitations on cae at | Brooklyn Dust |stupidity." -- Randomly produced by a computer bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. |program called Markov3. From mark at amplex.net Thu Jan 24 03:39:33 2002 From: mark at amplex.net (Mark Radabaugh) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:39:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.8 and Python 2.2? References: Message-ID: <3C4F73E5.8E489F72@amplex.net> Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > If I'm upgrading my systems to new releases, is there any reason not to use > 2.0.8 with Python 2.2? Or should I stick with 2.1.2? > > Any gotchas here? > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users I had some strange results with Apache / Python 2.2 and Internet Explorer. We moved Mailman to a very similar machine with a pre-2.2 version of Python and the problem went away. I didn't take the time to find out for sure if it was related to Python or not. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 837-5015 From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Jan 24 05:29:54 2002 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:29:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: Aliases in postfix not being created In-Reply-To: <3C4F3282.2CBF8967@pcraft.com> References: <40443.129.109.166.146.1011818494.squirrel@mail.xsusio.com> <3C4F3282.2CBF8967@pcraft.com> Message-ID: At 15:00 -0700 1/23/2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: >> 1. Why isn't mailman creating the aliases automatically when I run ./newlist > > Because different MTA's use different alias files and MM can't just go >on assuming >what you have, where it is and how to add it. Aliases _can_ be added >automatically if >you tell it to by supplying the -o [1] on the command line: >./newlist -o >/etc/mail/aliases (for sendmail) > > However, it won't run the newaliases command for you, you need to do >that yourself. >And I don't know what your MTA needs in terms of aliases. Including nothing, for some MTA's suitably configured. Doing so is easy with Exim; it is said to be easy with Postfix (but I have no experience with that). Basically, Exim is instructed to find lists by looking for their configuration DB, and then direct mail appropriately. The new list is ready for email when the ./newlist command finishes. See the Exim site for instructions on how do to it with Exim. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From ral at codewan.com.ph Thu Jan 24 09:18:16 2002 From: ral at codewan.com.ph (Lito A. Lampitoc) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:18:16 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] host name Message-ID: <3C4FC348.7843E408@codewan.com.ph> i successfuly setup and configure mailman on my server, but the problem is the return address reflect the host name of my machine instead of the "lists" hostname. I checked my sendmail.cf file but masquerading is on. Is there any way on mailman configuration to correct this? -- Lito A. Lampitoc Foundation for Communication Initiatives phone:+63(2)8941345 CodeWAN Project http://www.codewan.com.ph -- "If you think you're good, you're not." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020124/d69a4970/attachment.html From ral at codewan.com.ph Thu Jan 24 13:05:32 2002 From: ral at codewan.com.ph (Lito A. Lampitoc) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:05:32 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] host name References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124115135.00abae78@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C4FF88C.674CCDAE@codewan.com.ph> I was able to remove the hostname by reconfiguring my sendmail, but the mailing list mainpage ../mailman/admin/listinfo shows the line "(Send questions and comments to mailman-owner at cebu.)" where "cebu" is the host name of my machine, how will I change this to "mailman-owner at lists.codewan.com.ph" or "mailman-owner at codewan.com.ph"? I already edited my mm_cfg.py with the line DEFAULT_HOST_NAME=lists but nothing happened, but it doesnt work?btw the original one in Defaults.py has the value "cebu". Richard Barrett wrote: > At 16:18 24/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: > >i successfuly setup and configure mailman on my server, but the problem is > >the return address > >reflect the host name of my machine instead of the "lists" hostname. I > >checked my sendmail.cf file > >but masquerading is on. Is there any way on mailman configuration to > >correct this? > > > > Assuming MM 2.0.x: > > Check the hostname defaults set up in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and > override those you don't like with revised assignments in > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py - see the $build/INSTALL document for more info > on the rationale for this way of working > > For any existing list you can edit (very carefully) the last couple of > options on the General Options page of the admin web GUI > > >-- > >Lito A. Lampitoc > >Foundation for Communication Initiatives phone:+63(2)8941345 > >CodeWAN > >Project > >http://www.codewan.com.ph > >-- > >"If you think you're good, you're not." > > -- Lito A. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020124/0f83cd69/attachment.htm From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Thu Jan 24 15:14:00 2002 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:14:00 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] host name In-Reply-To: <3C4FF88C.674CCDAE@codewan.com.ph> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124115135.00abae78@pop.ftel.co.uk> <3C4FF88C.674CCDAE@codewan.com.ph> Message-ID: <02012414140004.02710@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> You have to change the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME option in the Defaults.py file. mm.py don't work in this case, alas. - oliver > > I was able to remove the hostname by reconfiguring my sendmail, but the > mailing list mainpage > .../mailman/admin/listinfo shows the line "(Send questions and comments to > mailman-owner at cebu.)" > where "cebu" is the host name of my machine, how will I change this to > "mailman-owner at lists.codewan.com.ph" or > "mailman-owner at codewan.com.ph"? > I already edited my mm_cfg.py with the line DEFAULT_HOST_NAME=lists but > nothing happened, but it doesnt work?btw the original one in Defaults.py > has the value "cebu". > > Richard Barrett wrote: > > At 16:18 24/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: > > >i successfuly setup and configure mailman on my server, but the problem > > > is the return address > > >reflect the host name of my machine instead of the "lists" hostname. I > > >checked my sendmail.cf file > > >but masquerading is on. Is there any way on mailman configuration to > > >correct this? > > > > Assuming MM 2.0.x: > > > > Check the hostname defaults set up in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and > > override those you don't like with revised assignments in > > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py - see the $build/INSTALL document for more info > > on the rationale for this way of working > > > > For any existing list you can edit (very carefully) the last couple of > > options on the General Options page of the admin web GUI > > > > >-- > > >Lito A. Lampitoc > > >Foundation for Communication Initiatives > > > phone:+63(2)8941345 CodeWAN > > >Project > > >http://www.codewan.com.ph > > >-- > > >"If you think you're good, you're not." > > -- > Lito A. Lampitoc > Foundation for Communication Initiatives phone:+63(2)8941345 > CodeWAN Project http://www.codewan.com.ph > -- > "If you think you're good, you're not." ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"; name="Anhang: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- -- Oliver Egginger FH Giessen-Friedberg DV-Zentrum Wiesenstrasse 14 35390 Giessen Tel. +49 641 309-1283 Fax +49 641 309-2908 Mail: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de **************************************************** Sprechzeiten des DV-Zentrums fuer E-Mail-Angelegenheiten: Mo 11:30 - 15:30 Uhr Di 13:15 - 15:30 Uhr Do 9:30 - 16:00 Uhr Fr 9:45 - 11:45 Uhr **************************************************** From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 24 14:31:11 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:31:11 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] host name In-Reply-To: <02012414140004.02710@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <3C4FF88C.674CCDAE@codewan.com.ph> <5.1.0.14.2.20020124115135.00abae78@pop.ftel.co.uk> <3C4FF88C.674CCDAE@codewan.com.ph> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124132305.00abae78@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 14:14 24/01/2002 +0000, Oliver Egginger wrote: >You have to change the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME option in the Defaults.py file. >mm.py don't work in this case, alas. > >- oliver > No! You should NOT edit Defaults.py. You will regret doing so when you come to install an upgrade to Mailman. If some variable (MAILMAN_OWNER for example) in Defaults.py is defined in terms of some other variable (DEFAULT_HOST_NAME) in Defaults.py and you redefine the other variable in mm_cfg.py then you should also redefine to first variable in mm_cfg.py. With the example variables, if you redefine DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py then also redefine MAILMAN_OWNER in mm_cfg.py; in fact you can use the same assignment for MAILMAN_OWNER in mm_cfg.py as is used in Defaults.py but it will pick up the redefined DEFAULT_HOST_NAME from mm_cfg.py and hence end up with a different final value. > > > I was able to remove the hostname by reconfiguring my sendmail, but the > > mailing list mainpage > > .../mailman/admin/listinfo shows the line "(Send questions and comments to > > mailman-owner at cebu.)" > > where "cebu" is the host name of my machine, how will I change this to > > "mailman-owner at lists.codewan.com.ph" or > > "mailman-owner at codewan.com.ph"? > > I already edited my mm_cfg.py with the line DEFAULT_HOST_NAME=lists but > > nothing happened, but it doesnt work?btw the original one in Defaults.py > > has the value "cebu". > > > > Richard Barrett wrote: > > > At 16:18 24/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: > > > >i successfuly setup and configure mailman on my server, but the problem > > > > is the return address > > > >reflect the host name of my machine instead of the "lists" hostname. I > > > >checked my sendmail.cf file > > > >but masquerading is on. Is there any way on mailman configuration to > > > >correct this? > > > > > > Assuming MM 2.0.x: > > > > > > Check the hostname defaults set up in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and > > > override those you don't like with revised assignments in > > > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py - see the $build/INSTALL document for more info > > > on the rationale for this way of working > > > > > > For any existing list you can edit (very carefully) the last couple of > > > options on the General Options page of the admin web GUI > > > > > > >-- > > > >Lito A. Lampitoc > > > >Foundation for Communication Initiatives > > > > phone:+63(2)8941345 CodeWAN > > > >Project > > > >http://www.codewan.com.ph > > > >-- > > > >"If you think you're good, you're not." > > > > -- > > Lito A. Lampitoc > > Foundation for Communication Initiatives phone:+63(2)8941345 > > CodeWAN Project http://www.codewan.com.ph > > -- > > "If you think you're good, you're not." > >---------------------------------------- >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"; name="Anhang: 1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: >---------------------------------------- > >-- >Oliver Egginger >FH Giessen-Friedberg >DV-Zentrum >Wiesenstrasse 14 >35390 Giessen >Tel. +49 641 309-1283 >Fax +49 641 309-2908 >Mail: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de > > >**************************************************** >Sprechzeiten des DV-Zentrums fuer >E-Mail-Angelegenheiten: > >Mo 11:30 - 15:30 Uhr >Di 13:15 - 15:30 Uhr >Do 9:30 - 16:00 Uhr >Fr 9:45 - 11:45 Uhr >**************************************************** > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Thu Jan 24 16:11:12 2002 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:11:12 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] host name In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124132305.00abae78@pop.ftel.co.uk> References: <3C4FF88C.674CCDAE@codewan.com.ph> <5.1.0.14.2.20020124132305.00abae78@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <02012415111206.02710@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> I see! I have total overlooked this. Thank you for the adjustment. regards Oliver Message from Thursday 24 January 2002 13:31: > At 14:14 24/01/2002 +0000, Oliver Egginger wrote: > >You have to change the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME option in the Defaults.py file. > >mm.py don't work in this case, alas. > > > >- oliver > > No! You should NOT edit Defaults.py. You will regret doing so when you come > to install an upgrade to Mailman. > > If some variable (MAILMAN_OWNER for example) in Defaults.py is defined in > terms of some other variable (DEFAULT_HOST_NAME) in Defaults.py and you > redefine the other variable in mm_cfg.py then you should also redefine to > first variable in mm_cfg.py. > > With the example variables, if you redefine DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py > then also redefine MAILMAN_OWNER in mm_cfg.py; in fact you can use the same > assignment for MAILMAN_OWNER in mm_cfg.py as is used in Defaults.py but it > will pick up the redefined DEFAULT_HOST_NAME from mm_cfg.py and hence end > up with a different final value. > > > > > I was able to remove the hostname by reconfiguring my sendmail, but > > > > the > > > > > > mailing list mainpage > > > .../mailman/admin/listinfo shows the line "(Send questions and comments > > > to mailman-owner at cebu.)" > > > where "cebu" is the host name of my machine, how will I change this to > > > "mailman-owner at lists.codewan.com.ph" or > > > "mailman-owner at codewan.com.ph"? > > > I already edited my mm_cfg.py with the line DEFAULT_HOST_NAME=lists but > > > nothing happened, but it doesnt work?btw the original one in > > > Defaults.py has the value "cebu". > > > > > > Richard Barrett wrote: > > > > At 16:18 24/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: > > > > >i successfuly setup and configure mailman on my server, but the > > > > > problem is the return address > > > > >reflect the host name of my machine instead of the "lists" hostname. > > > > > I checked my sendmail.cf file > > > > >but masquerading is on. Is there any way on mailman configuration to > > > > >correct this? > > > > > > > > Assuming MM 2.0.x: > > > > > > > > Check the hostname defaults set up in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and > > > > override those you don't like with revised assignments in > > > > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py - see the $build/INSTALL document for more > > > > info on the rationale for this way of working > > > > > > > > For any existing list you can edit (very carefully) the last couple > > > > of options on the General Options page of the admin web GUI > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >Lito A. Lampitoc > > > > >Foundation for Communication Initiatives > > > > > phone:+63(2)8941345 CodeWAN > > > > >Project > > > > >http://www.codewan.com.ph > > > > >-- > > > > >"If you think you're good, you're not." > > > > > > -- > > > Lito A. Lampitoc > > > Foundation for Communication Initiatives > > > phone:+63(2)8941345 CodeWAN Project > > > http://www.codewan.com.ph -- > > > "If you think you're good, you're not." > > > >---------------------------------------- > >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"; name="Anhang: 1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Content-Description: > >---------------------------------------- > > > >-- > >Oliver Egginger > >FH Giessen-Friedberg > >DV-Zentrum > >Wiesenstrasse 14 > >35390 Giessen > >Tel. +49 641 309-1283 > >Fax +49 641 309-2908 > >Mail: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de > > > > > >**************************************************** > >Sprechzeiten des DV-Zentrums fuer > >E-Mail-Angelegenheiten: > > > >Mo 11:30 - 15:30 Uhr > >Di 13:15 - 15:30 Uhr > >Do 9:30 - 16:00 Uhr > >Fr 9:45 - 11:45 Uhr > >**************************************************** > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Oliver Egginger FH Giessen-Friedberg DV-Zentrum Wiesenstrasse 14 35390 Giessen Tel. +49 641 309-1283 Fax +49 641 309-2908 Mail: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de **************************************************** Sprechzeiten des DV-Zentrums fuer E-Mail-Angelegenheiten: Mo 11:30 - 15:30 Uhr Di 13:15 - 15:30 Uhr Do 9:30 - 16:00 Uhr Fr 9:45 - 11:45 Uhr **************************************************** From phil at daviszone.org Thu Jan 24 18:14:52 2002 From: phil at daviszone.org (Phillip Davis) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:14:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error when replying to subscription message confirmation Message-ID: Hello, I have read around quite a bit and have gotten nowhere so far. I send a request for subscription to my new mailman server w/ a new group I created and I get the reply back stating I need to confirm, but when I do reply to confirm, I get a weird bounce from the script it is piped to, this is the bounce message... {address snipped}: Command died with status 2: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd davis_family". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) Reporting-MTA: dns; {address snipped} Arrival-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:09:52 -0700 (MST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; davis_family-request@{address snipped} Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd davis_family". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) now, gid 12 is mail and 99 is nobody, is this a config option or something I can edit out of the python scripts somewhere ? how do I reconfigure to 99 or fix so that it DOES use 12? or is this a problem w/ postfix, and if so how do I fix it? Thanks Phil From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Jan 24 18:37:58 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:37:58 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error when replying to subscription message confirmation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124172828.03a6c188@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 10:14 24/01/2002 -0700, Phillip Davis wrote: >Hello, I have read around quite a bit and have gotten nowhere so far. I >send a request for subscription to my new mailman server w/ a new group I >created and I get the reply back stating I need to confirm, but when I do >reply to confirm, I get a weird bounce from the script it is piped to, >this is the bounce message... > >{address snipped}: Command died with status 2: > "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd davis_family". Command output: Failure > to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) >Reporting-MTA: dns; {address snipped} >Arrival-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:09:52 -0700 (MST) > >Final-Recipient: rfc822; davis_family-request@{address snipped} >Action: failed >Status: 5.0.0 >Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 2: > "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd davis_family". Command output: Failure > to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) > >now, gid 12 is mail and 99 is nobody, is this a config option or something >I can edit out of the python scripts somewhere ? how do I reconfigure to >99 or fix so that it DOES use 12? This is a Mailman configuration problem. See the section "2. Running Configure" of the Mailman INSTALL document and the use of the --with-mail-gid option on the ./configure command. It looks like you want to set this option to --with-mail-gid=mail when you run configure. >or is this a problem w/ postfix, and if so how do I fix it? > >Thanks > >Phil > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From efrance at vanteon.com Thu Jan 24 20:56:52 2002 From: efrance at vanteon.com (Eric France) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:56:52 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Darwin and SMRSH, Oh My Message-ID: <3C506704.44A7E937@vanteon.com> I've got mailman 2.0.8 up and stumbling on a Mac OS X (10.1) box. Along the way, I ran into the smrsh problems that others have been reporting to this list. The problem appears to be that smrsh is "dotcatenating" the wrapper arguments to the name of the wrapper executable before searching the authorized directory. So, for a list named "mylist", when a message arrives, it looks for /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper.post.mylist -- and fails when it can't find it. My ugly workaround is to satisfy it by creating a shellscript in the sm.bin directory whose name matches the dotcatenated string it's searching for (above), of the form: ---- /usr/adm/sm.bin/wrapper.post.mylist ---- #!/bin/sh /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist --------------------------------------------- I have to create three of these for each group (post, mailcmd, and mailowner). I don't like this solution but it's working. Does anyone know if this is correct behaviour for smrsh? Eric France Software Engineer Vanteon efrance at vanteon.com http://www.vanteon.com From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca Thu Jan 24 22:08:39 2002 From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:08:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038D79@HERITAGE-SRV-1> Hi all, I am quite new to mailman, but an experienced mailing list admin. I have been running MJ for a couple of years and I now want to move on to MM. [ I am not sure I am allowed to use the s u b s c r i b e or u n s u b words here, some lists have low tolerance to admin words...] I installed 2.0.8 on my server (the same server that currently hosts MJ lists) and I got as far as being able to create a list and browse the list's pages to manually zubscribe members and make other adjustments. The problem is I can't seem to be able post to the list at all. I can't zub or unzub either for that matter. I know it has to do with my aliases. There is a tid bid of info to this affect in the doc, but it is unclear to me what the wrapper symlink should be smrsh-wise, in particular while running the two mailing list services at the same time. Thanks for you help, MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. Qc. +------------------------------------------------+ Canada J8Y 6T3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020124/f9d192b8/attachment.html From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca Thu Jan 24 22:16:13 2002 From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problem (?) Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038D7B@HERITAGE-SRV-1> (This may be a repeat, since I got a bounce notification, excuse me if this is the case) Hi all, I am quite new to mailman, but an experienced mailing list admin. I have been running MJ for a couple of years and I now want to move on to MM. [ I am not sure I am allowed to use the s u b s c r i b e or u n s u b words here, some lists have low tolerance to admin words...] I installed 2.0.8 on my server (the same server that currently hosts MJ lists) and I got as far as being able to create a list and browse the list's pages to manually zubscribe members and make other adjustments. The problem is I can't seem to be able post to the list at all. I can't zub or unzub either for that matter. I know it has to do with my aliases. There is a tid bid of info to this affect in the doc, but it is unclear to me what the wrapper symlink should be smrsh-wise, in particular while running the two mailing list services at the same time. Thanks for you help, MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. Qc. +------------------------------------------------+ Canada J8Y 6T3 MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. Qc. +------------------------------------------------+ Canada J8Y 6T3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem is I can't seem to be able post to the list at all. I can't zub or unzub either for that matter. I know it has to do with my aliases. There is a tid bid of info to this affect in the doc, but it is unclear to me what the wrapper symlink should be smrsh-wise, in particular while running the two mailing list services at the same time. Thanks for you help, MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. Qc. +------------------------------------------------+ Canada J8Y 6T3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020124/f10bc274/attachment.html From prashant_dabre at rediffmail.com Thu Jan 24 08:07:19 2002 From: prashant_dabre at rediffmail.com (prashant dabre) Date: 24 Jan 2002 07:07:19 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman for virtual domain Message-ID: <20020124070719.18778.qmail@mailweb33.rediffmail.com> Hi, I have successfully configured mailman with qmail for one domain on redhat-7.1 . 1. Can anybody guide me how to configure mailman for virtual domain ? 2. Is it possible to set their own MAILMAN_OWNER for every domain ? if yes then please tell me how ? Waiting for Reply Thanks & Regards Prashant From bhineka at brd.de Thu Jan 24 14:11:27 2002 From: bhineka at brd.de (munindo) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:11:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: <3C5007FF.CE8656E8@brd.de> How i can delete the the archives http://mail2.factsoft.de/pipermail/national/ Best Regard e. unang From matt at baya.net Thu Jan 24 18:58:31 2002 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] host name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually I may have a little bit more of this answer. While I edited the files others mentioned above to get it so it gave my correct machine name, since I use virtual hosts for multiple domains on my machine I had to find a way to have them ?masquerade? as if they belonged to that domain. All I had to do was to put the domain the list was associated with in the web admin page at: http://www.yourdomain.com/mailman/admin/listname At the bottom of that page you?ll see: ??Host name this list prefers. ? Base URL for Mailman web interface. So I just put the appropriate virtual domain in those fields and the lists have been giving out the correct information on all e-mail and web interfaces since then. All editing the files that were mentioned before did for me was to change whatever showed up in any new list before I edited it. Hope this helps too.. Works for me :) -Matt -------------- Matthew J. Baya matt at baya.net 85 Guptil Farm Way, Ellsworth, ME 04605-4109 http://matt.baya.net/ H: (207) 667-4892 Svaha.Com - web hosting & services. http://svaha.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020124/34237f55/attachment.htm From xgliu128 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 24 22:23:50 2002 From: xgliu128 at hotmail.com (Xiangguang Liu) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:23:50 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help : list admin passwd forgot Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020124/d45bad33/attachment.html From stuartd at alerton.com Fri Jan 25 00:03:08 2002 From: stuartd at alerton.com (Stuart Donaldson) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:03:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help : list admin passwd forgot Message-ID: Looks to me like the servers administrator should use the site-admin password to gain access to the list admin page. Then set the list password, remembering to enter the site-admin password under "old password". Handy thing, that the site-admin password works for all passwords... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Xiangguang Liu [mailto:xgliu128 at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:24 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help : list admin passwd forgot Hello, The mailing list's admin passwd is forgot, does anyone know how to solve the problem? How should server's adminstrator change passwd for the list? Thanks a lot. Best wishes, Xiangguang --------------------------- Xiangguang Liu Mailing Address: 767 Cypress Walk, Apt.E Goleta,CA 93117 Telephone: (805)-971-5268 (h) E-mail Address: xgliu128 at hotmail.com --------------------------- _____ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020124/6e14ce8b/attachment.htm From autosort at subdimension.com Fri Jan 25 04:27:09 2002 From: autosort at subdimension.com (Ben Franske) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:27:09 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 Date & Feature Question Message-ID: <001c01c1a550$2e361eb0$d2ec0d90@btoshiba> Two questions about Mailman 2.1: 1. When is 2.1 estimated to be finished, in general is fine ie. a couple of months, 6mos. Or a year 2. Would it be possible to write in a feature to allow either the list administrator to turn off subscriber passwords for a specific list or a site administrator to disable them for the entire site. I understand the security user passwords provide, but it can be a hassle to have people emailing the list admins wanting to get off the list and either not know their password or not know they even had one. Thanks for a great product! --Ben Franske CCNA From ral at codewan.com.ph Fri Jan 25 09:48:33 2002 From: ral at codewan.com.ph (Lito A. Lampitoc) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:48:33 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] host name References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124115135.00abae78@pop.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20020124130643.00abae78@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C511BE1.64D0C20A@codewan.com.ph> Hi Richard, Thanks for the tip it works great! When receiving mail from the lists,why does the To: header reflect the real host name e.g. To: techteam at cebu.codewan.com.ph, instead of To: techteam at lists.codewan.com.ph. Where lists is the hostname i want to appear. Is it sendmail's masquerading option or mailman's? Richard Barrett wrote: > At 20:05 24/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: > >I was able to remove the hostname by reconfiguring my sendmail, but the > >mailing list mainpage > >../mailman/admin/listinfo shows the line "(Send questions and comments to > >mailman-owner at cebu.)" > >where "cebu" is the host name of my machine, how will I change this to > >"mailman-owner at lists.codewan.com.ph" or > >"mailman-owner at codewan.com.ph"? > >I already edited my mm_cfg.py with the line DEFAULT_HOST_NAME=lists but > >nothing happened, but it doesnt work?btw the original one in Defaults.py > >has the value "cebu". > > > > If you have change the value of DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py then you will also need to add the following line > to it AFTER the assignment redefining DEFAULT_HOST_NAME: > > MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME > > If you do not, then MAILMAN_OWNER will pick up the 'old' value of > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME from $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py rather than the 'new' > value you have assigned in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. > > > > > > >Richard Barrett wrote: > >>At 16:18 24/01/2002 +0800, you wrote: > >> >i successfuly setup and configure mailman on my server, but the problem is > >> >the return address > >> >reflect the host name of my machine instead of the "lists" hostname. I > >> >checked my sendmail.cf file > >> >but masquerading is on. Is there any way on mailman configuration to > >> >correct this? > >> > > >> > >>Assuming MM 2.0.x: > >> > >>Check the hostname defaults set up in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and > >>override those you don't like with revised assignments in > >>$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py - see the $build/INSTALL document for more info > >>on the rationale for this way of working > >> > >>For any existing list you can edit (very carefully) the last couple of > >>options on the General Options page of the admin web GUI > >> > >> >-- > >> >Lito A. Lampitoc > >> >Foundation for Communication > >> Initiatives phone:+63(2)8941345 > >> >CodeWAN > >> >Project > >> ><http://www.codewan.com.ph>http://www.codewan > >> .com.ph > >> >-- > >> >"If you think you're good, you're not." > >> > > > > >-- > >Lito A. Lampitoc > >Foundation for Communication Initiatives phone:+63(2)8941345 > >CodeWAN > >Project > >http://www.codewan.com.ph > >-- > >"If you think you're good, you're not." > > -- Lito A. Lampitoc Foundation for Communication Initiatives phone:+63(2)8941345 CodeWAN Project http://www.codewan.com.ph -- "If you think you're good, you're not." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020125/98117592/attachment.html From Udcsweb2 at unisa.ac.za Fri Jan 25 11:50:12 2002 From: Udcsweb2 at unisa.ac.za (Udcsweb2) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:50:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list Message-ID: Hi. I have just installed mailman on a Linux Redhat 5.2 machine, running multiple virtual hosts. The actual hostname is learn.unisa.ac.za, but I have installed the website, and all other references to lectureweb.unisa.ac.za. The website works fine, and if I subscribe someone through the web interface, It sends them the welcome message. As soon as someone sends a email to my list as @lectureweb.unisa.ac.za or @learn.unisa.ac.za, the server replies to them: Undeliverable: Service unavailable. The maillog shows the following: Jan 25 12:16:22 learn sendmail[18766]: MAA18766: from=, size=1301, class=0, pri=31301, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=SMTP, relay=[163.200.216.138] Jan 25 12:16:22 learn smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper post soldev Jan 25 12:16:22 learn sendmail[18767]: MAA18766: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post soldev", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Service unavailable Jan 25 12:16:22 learn sendmail[18767]: MAA18766: MAA18767: DSN: Service unavailable Jan 25 12:16:22 learn sendmail[18767]: MAA18767: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, relay=alpha.unisa.ac.za. [163.200.216.138], stat=Sent (Ok) Can anyone help? 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Name: TEXT.htm Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020125/c4a53089/attachment.pot From kachel at muenster.de Fri Jan 25 14:09:18 2002 From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:09:18 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list Message-ID: <3C5116F2@muepubb> Hi Johan, >Jan 25 12:16:22 learn sendmail[18766]: MAA18766: from=, size=1301, class=0, pri=31301, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=SMTP, relay=[163.200.216.138] >Jan 25 12:16:22 learn smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper post soldev >Jan 25 12:16:22 learn sendmail[18767]: MAA18766: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post soldev", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Service unavailable >Jan 25 12:16:22 learn sendmail[18767]: MAA18766: MAA18767: DSN: Service unavailable >Jan 25 12:16:22 learn sendmail[18767]: MAA18767: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, relay=alpha.unisa.ac.za. [163.200.216.138], stat=Sent (Ok) Looks to me that the mailman wrapper could not be called. There are to possibilities: 1. wrapper is not allowed to run from smrsh. There ist a smrsh folder on your system, in /var, /etc or perhaps a different place. The depends on your distribution and I don't know the path for RedHat. Place a symlink to wrapper in the smrsh folder. 2. Sendmail is not setup to use the mailer prog. Reconfigure sendmail to use the mailer prog. Regards Markus -- E-Mail: kachel at muenster.de Gesendet von unterwegs per Webmail From bert.devuyst at intec.rug.ac.be Fri Jan 25 16:33:25 2002 From: bert.devuyst at intec.rug.ac.be (Bert De Vuyst) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:33:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migration of mailing lists Message-ID: <02012516332500.11997@dexter> Hello, I would like to migrate some mailman mailing lists to a new computer. The old computer is running mailman 1.1, the new one runs mailman 2.0.8. Does mailman provide a conversion script? What 's the best way to migrate the mailinglists? Thanks for your help, Bert. From jon at csh.rit.edu Fri Jan 25 16:39:18 2002 From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ezmlm to mailman Message-ID: <20020125153918.GA9217@csh.rit.edu> Does anyone have any tips or general advice in converting a bunch of ezmlm (ezmlm/idx) mailing lists to mailman lists? I don't mind writing a few scripts to make things easier, but if there's a quick way to convert my existing archives and subscription lists (well, that second was is easy), I'd be glad to hear it. -- Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) . Information Technology (2001) http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member From ray at raymondjones.net Fri Jan 25 22:15:50 2002 From: ray at raymondjones.net (ray jones) Date: 25 Jan 2002 16:15:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hooking up help? Message-ID: <1011993353.15880.19.camel@raymondjones.net> OK, guys, I am a newbie. 2 years, and still haven't got a clue. :) This is RH6.2, Apache 1.3.6-7, python 1.5.2-27.6x. I assume mailman will run on the above. I got it compiled, and installed, and the list-bot is up and happy. He is at groom-request at raymondjones.net ISSUE: Not enough sense to hook up Apache! Can anyone help? The Apache error logs simply say, file does not exist, for all of the things that should play the pages to the users. What I've done: This Apache is running a lot of CGI's both in Perl and in C, and they work fine, but they are in the docroot tree. I can't make him look "outside" for stuff. In srm.conf I already had a ScriptAlias, so I made another line, added ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/. Is that OK? I see the docs say add Exec, but I don't know where to do that, as I don't seem to have any Exec line in any of the .conf files. Httpd.conf seems concerned with setups and logging, mostly, and access.conf is a null file. Where do I do what to srm.conf to make Apache "see" where he needs to "see"? Thank you. Ray -- Ray R. Jones Errors have been made. Others will be blamed. ray at raymondjones.net HTTP://www.raymondjones.net From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Jan 25 23:09:44 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:09:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hooking up help? References: <1011993353.15880.19.camel@raymondjones.net> Message-ID: <3C51D7A8.7DD2C266@pcraft.com> ray jones wrote: > so I made another line, added ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ > /home/mailman/cgi-bin/. Is that OK? Yes > I see the docs say add Exec, but I > don't know where to do that, as I don't seem to have any Exec line in > any of the .conf files. That's an Options tag... A typical (customized) setup on my end: ServerAdmin mailman at lists.domain.net * DocumentRoot /home/mailman/www ServerName lists.domain.net ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/" Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/" * Alias /icons/ "/home/mailman/www/icons/" * Alias /errors/ "/home/mailman/www/errors/" Options ExecCGI <--- you need this Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None * * Options Includes * * ErrorDocument 500 /errors/500.shtml * ErrorDocument 404 /errors/404.shtml * ErrorDocument 403 /errors/403.shtml ErrorLog logs/errors_log.lists.domain.net CustomLog logs/access_log.lists.domain.net combined * - custom mods I added -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ECOLING at aol.com Thu Jan 24 23:31:18 2002 From: ECOLING at aol.com (ECOLING at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:31:18 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can admin do this? Message-ID: <152.7c321db.2981e536@aol.com> We are still discovering the new social world of email lists, and what is needed to maintain respect for all list participants, to receive more or less what they want to, and to be able to manage the email effectively. Here are two questions which you may be able to answer immediately with your existing software, or which may require an upgrade. I and others will greatly appreciate any assistance you can offer. Thanks much for any help, Lloyd Anderson Ecological Linguistics *** An email list that I subscribe to introduced a prefix several years ago, so that any message coming from the list will begin [ANE] ... This is enormously appreciated, as it facilitates sorting messages by their subject lines for finding and filing. However, the automatic operation of this, with, as usual, some less-than-careful users, is strings like this as subjects: <<[ANE] Re: [ANE] RE: [ANE] Re:Seth animal and ma'at>> It would be desirable to change it to simply <<[ANE] Re: Seth animal and ma'at>> by some string operation which enforces the list name indicator first, in this case [ANE] and that no more than one copy of that occur, and that no more than one "Re:" occur, and that the "Re:" occur, if at all, after the list name, so no "Re: [ANE] " but only "[ANE] Re: ". Can this be done easily? Could you forward instructions that I can pass on to the list administrator? (That administrator gave me your web site address to follow up on this possibility.) For the future, could you include such a possibility as a single check-box in for list administrators to use, even make it the default operation which a list administrator can turn off if desired? (Thus encouraging all list administrators to choose a two-to-four-letter abbreviation for their list name, with a reminder that each extra letter detracts from the amount of the remaining subject line that users will see.) *** A second question arises on the function of "reply to sender" vs. "reply to all" choices, for example in AOL software. "Reply to sender" should ideally go back to only the one individual sending the message being replied to, it should not go to the list as a whole. The reason is of course that one should have to make a deliberate choice if one is going to burden an entire list with a message, that should not be the default. An error made in sending to only one receiver, when an entire list was desired, is not as serious as an error made in sending to an entire list, when only an individual receiver was desired. Can list administrators affect this in how they set up their list? Can they specify what information goes into which fields of a message header? For example, are there three sets of information in the header (which I as user receive at the end of each message)? (a) original sender, individual (b) list as relayer (kind of sender) (c) list of all recipients Some list adiminstrators believe that this is controlled by email software, not by list administrators. Is this true? What is the default behavior (or unmodifiable behavior) of various email programs? Do they differ much in this? This may be relevant to one of your 'to-do" items, as well as to the previous question I was asking. Rather than allowing complete freedom to modify headers etc., which you point out might be dangerous, can you provide particular choices pre-packaged in your next release? <> *** From res0avuu at verizon.net Fri Jan 25 01:32:07 2002 From: res0avuu at verizon.net (Brian @ Verizon) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:32:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Since my Host is doing nothing Message-ID: My web host, Hosting Matters has decided to move many of its' clients to a new server. The result is we are being place onto your service for (at least) mail lists. Maybe you do the whole thing, don't know, don't care. It's the mail list that is my problem. I would prefer, desperately prefer that I not have a link to an alternate web page, one that is not consistent with my own web pages, one that could at any time start advertising. Ads on Freefind, my search engine, caused unbelievable problems for me and is costing me still $300 a year. I have no desire to repeat that. I have no problem crediting the service provider with a logo and link. I did that for Hosting Matters on my own. I have no idea if there is a way to work with you guys in making sure the web page for mail services matches my site, and also affords me control of the content (insofar as advertising). Frankly, I would just as soon continue with the email management style fo the prior service - found on http://www.vienici.com/lasociete/gazette. I've asked for assistance from Hosting Matters, but am not making progress fast. BTW, I am using FP for page development so I truly have limited HTML skills. With time, lots of time, I can adapt to your service. During that time, the current maillist will have to be shut down. Not critical, but embarassing. I had expected better repsonse from my web host, but . . . . Perhaps you can at least make some helpful suggestions for the novice. Brian J. Oster Brian_Oster at vienici.com webmaster http://www.vienici.com From terry at bizarsoftware.com.au Fri Jan 25 09:12:09 2002 From: terry at bizarsoftware.com.au (Terry Kerr) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:12:09 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading to python 2.1.2 final. Message-ID: <3C511359.4010609@bizarsoftware.com.au> Hi, I upgraded python on my freebsd 4.3 system from 2.1 to 2.1.2. I was running mailman2.0.7 and 3 fairly low traffic lists. After upgrading python, I noticed that neither posting to lists, or confirming to subscription requests worked. The mail log shows the mail being passed to the wrapper without error, but nothing else happens. In an attempt to fix the problem, I upgraded to mailman 2.0.8, but it didn't fix anything. I also run Zope on my system, and it works fine with the new python 2.1.2 installtion. Any suggestions? terry -- Terry Kerr (terry at bizarsoftware.com.au) Chief Technical Officer Bizar Software Pty Ltd (www.bizarsoftware.com.au) +61 3 9530 9182 From iraoni at yahoo.es Fri Jan 25 16:43:37 2002 From: iraoni at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?iraoni=20oniira?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:43:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Message-ID: <20020125154337.34446.qmail@web21004.mail.yahoo.com> Hello! I need URGENT aid! I must make a work for class, that consists of the installation and configuration of the MAILMAN in Linux (DEBIAN). We have installed apache and I believe that we have done it well. We have introduced a page done by us instead of the one of Original Apache. Soon we have installed Postfix. And later the MailMan. One assumes that it is installed, but we do not know nothing else. Nor how it is used, nor how the lists are created, nor nothing else. If you could help you to me it would thank for it because I must give it for the week that comes. I wait for your answer shortly. A greeting, _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicaci?n instant?nea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es From jzuck at actonline.org Fri Jan 25 17:48:12 2002 From: jzuck at actonline.org (Jonathan Zuck) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:48:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] export Message-ID: <68C94C1E91F56A419F1ED4E43A133ADB4B14D2@main.office.actonline.org> Is there an easy way to export my list from Mailman? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020125/648e9ba7/attachment.html From karypid at yahoo.gr Fri Jan 25 18:38:38 2002 From: karypid at yahoo.gr (=?iso-8859-7?b?wevd7uHt5PHv8iDK4fH18N/k5/I=?= (Alexandros Karypidis)) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:38:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem running ./configure Message-ID: <200201251740.TAA25853@uth.gr> Hello everyone, Thanks for you help in advance! I am trying to compile mailman on a SUN Sparc Solaris 7 system. I've created the mailman user and group, also created the destination dir (/usr/local/mailman) and changed permissions as described in INSTALL: % chmod a+rx,g+ws . % ls -ld . drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Jan 25 19:04 . I now try: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody \ --with-mail-gid=mail The command fails at: === CUT HERE === checking for --with-username... mailman checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last): File "conftest.py", line 1, in ? import pwd, string ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1: open failed: No such file or directory cat: cannot open conftest.out configure: error: ***** No "mailman" user found! ***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined ***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file). Please see the INSTALL ***** file for details. === CUT HERE === Seems like some library problem with python. I have installed binaries of version 2.1.1: % python Python 2.1.1 (#1, Aug 25 2001, 04:37:28) [GCC 3.0.1] on sunos5 Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> From EStryzek at archchicago.org Fri Jan 25 23:06:42 2002 From: EStryzek at archchicago.org (Stryzek, Edward) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:06:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish list Message-ID: To add to the wish list A way to extract and import subscribers from the list. either a tool to do this or to store users in a .csv format, not in the .db file We have registration databases that have lots of email address we would like to add, maybe at a command line tool would work for bulk add of users. Hope to see this in the next cut of the code. Edward L. Stryzek Senior Computer Systems Engineer Archdiocese of Chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020125/63e89113/attachment.htm From cae at bklyn.org Fri Jan 25 23:22:28 2002 From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020125222228.GB2191@tela.bklyn.org> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 04:06:42PM -0600, Stryzek, Edward wrote: > To add to the wish list A way to extract and import subscribers from > the list. either a tool to do this or to store users in a .csv > format, not in the .db file We have registration databases that have > lots of email address we would like to add, maybe at a command line > tool would work for bulk add of users. Hope to see this in the next > cut of the code. Edward L. Stryzek Senior Computer Systems Engineer > Archdiocese of Chicago Um, this is QUITE easy to do with the add_members program: Usage: add_members [-n ] [-d ] [-c ] [-w ] [-h] listname Where: --non-digest-members-file -n A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one address per line. This list of people become non-digest members. If is `-', read addresses from stdin. --digest-members-file -d Similar to above, but these people become digest members. --changes-msg= -c set whether or not to send the list members the `there's going to be big changes to your list' message. defaults to no. --welcome-msg= -w set whether or not to send the list members a welcome message, overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting is. --help -h Print this help message and exit. listname The name of the Mailman list you are adding members to. It must already exist. You must supply at least one of -n and -d options. At most one of the files can be `-'. -- Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | Let's remind ourselves that last year's fresh cae at | Brooklyn Dust | idea is today's cliche. bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | -- Austen Briggs From cae at bklyn.org Fri Jan 25 23:21:05 2002 From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:21:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] export In-Reply-To: <68C94C1E91F56A419F1ED4E43A133ADB4B14D2@main.office.actonline.org> References: <68C94C1E91F56A419F1ED4E43A133ADB4B14D2@main.office.actonline.org> Message-ID: <20020125222105.GA2191@tela.bklyn.org> On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 11:48:12AM -0500, Jonathan Zuck wrote: > Is there an easy way to export my list from Mailman? If you mean to export the list of users subscribed to the list, use ~mailman/bin/get_members -- Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | cae at | Brooklyn Dust | 1 + 1 = 3, for large values of 1. bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | From ashley at pcraft.com Fri Jan 25 23:31:27 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:31:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Since my Host is doing nothing References: Message-ID: <3C51DCBF.C88D5486@pcraft.com> "Brian @ Verizon" wrote: > Perhaps you can at least make some helpful suggestions for the novice. When your host said they're moving their users to use Mailman for mailing lists, they were not implying that the service is being done by someone else. Mailman is a software package that they (your host) installs on their machine(s). They run it, they configure it, they host it, period. However, on the issue of having your pages match your website, all of Mailman's templates are configurable by the list administrator, so you can change its looks to your liking. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From mailman at hostmatters.com Sat Jan 26 01:25:38 2002 From: mailman at hostmatters.com (Annette @ Hosting Matters) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:25:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Since my Host is doing nothing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Since my Host is doing nothing > My web host, Hosting Matters has decided to move many of its' clients to a > new server. The result is we are being place onto your service for (at > least) mail lists. Maybe you do the whole thing, don't know, don't care. (rest snipped for sanity's sake) Hmm, resting on our laurels, I guess. As noted to you along with other items - some of which are mentioned in this post to the list - the mailman software is something local to the server, not something external to it (and the data certainly isn't managed by someone else, just as SmartList isn't handled off network). Mailman has excellent features and is much better in terms of scalability, IMO, than other list software, but there is the occasional person that finds it too difficult to use. For them, another script can be found. It isn't as if mailman is the only list software out there - but it surely is one of the better ones. I'm not certain that a mailman mailing list is exactly the place for getting those types of recommendations, however. Regards, Annette Hosting Matters, Inc. http://www.hostmatters.com From subhasis at iopb.res.in Sat Jan 26 09:22:53 2002 From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:52:53 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with web interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello to ALL, I installed Mailman and it is working fine. But at the time of instalation I skiped the web-based interface part. But it looks it is difficult to manage without web interface. What should I do... shall I reinstall the mailman or some changes in the configuration file like mm_cfg.pyc will be OK to get the web based interface. I have configured apache. Thanks in advance. -- With Best Regards, Subhasis Mahapatra Institute Of Physics,BBSR. From fraktal at gmx.de Sat Jan 26 13:08:02 2002 From: fraktal at gmx.de (Oliver Gassner) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:08:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering Attachments Message-ID: <4v655uoqokc9hetm51a6oiqlt86gepb3kr@4ax.com> HI, how do I avoid that E-Mails with attachments make it into the Mailiinglist? I'd prefer if I could set the extensions this applies to. THX. OG -- http://www.carpe.com main site: literature online http://www.carpe.com/bm/ brain/map (blog) http://www.oliver-gassner.de private & own texts From jim at jim.southcom.com.au Sun Jan 27 02:44:51 2002 From: jim at jim.southcom.com.au (Jim Woodward) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:44:51 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative requests problem. (mailman 2.0.8) Message-ID: Hi All, This maybe a real simple one to answer. When I go into the administrative requests to moderate the list it has recently started giving these errors when you try and perform an action and click submit: Posting Held for Approval (1 of 11) Message with id #1320 was lost. Posting Held for Approval (2 of 11) Message with id #1321 was lost. Posting Held for Approval (3 of 11) Message with id #1322 was lost. Posting Held for Approval (4 of 11) Message with id #1323 was lost. through to: Posting Held for Approval (11 of 11) Message with id #1330 was lost. and then at the bottom of th screen it shows: Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. I tried upgrading from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8 and it was doing exactly the same thing before I upgraded. Ive done a check_perm and checkdb, both show clear and ok. Any ideas? Regards, Jim. - name : Jim Woodward www : http://www.jim.southcom.com.au email : jim at jim.southcom.com.au From claw at kanga.nu Sun Jan 27 04:43:38 2002 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:43:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish list In-Reply-To: Message from "Stryzek, Edward" of "Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:06:42 CST." References: Message-ID: <10940.1012103018@kanga.nu> On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:06:42 -0600 Edward Stryzek wrote: > To add to the wish list A way to extract and import subscribers > from the list. either a tool to do this or to store users in a > .csv format, not in the .db file ~mailman/add_members ~mailman/remove_members -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From ptomblin at xcski.com Sun Jan 27 04:50:48 2002 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:50:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish list In-Reply-To: <10940.1012103018@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 07:43:38PM -0800 References: <10940.1012103018@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20020126225048.C13246@allhats.xcski.com> Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at kanga.nu): > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:06:42 -0600 > Edward Stryzek wrote: > > > To add to the wish list A way to extract and import subscribers > > from the list. either a tool to do this or to store users in a > > .csv format, not in the .db file > > ~mailman/add_members > ~mailman/remove_members ~mailman/bin/add_members ~mailman/bin/remove_members -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "Grove giveth and Gates taketh away." - Bob Metcalfe (inventor of Ethernet) on the trend of hardware speedups not being able to keep up with software demands From mailman-list at mackinlay.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 27 16:02:36 2002 From: mailman-list at mackinlay.demon.co.uk (mailman) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:02:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1a4 approving users not working Message-ID: I have a problem with my installation of 2.1a4: I have created a test list which requires confirmation and approval to add users. New users can fill out a form ok and receive the first email. After they confirm they are added to the pending requests and the list admin is notified. Going to the admin page gives the 4 options: defer, approve, reject, discard but only reject (and defer) work. Approving or discarding gives a report that the database is updated and sometimes returns a screen with the new user apparently processed because they are not listed. On refreshing the page however they re-appear. No email is sent confirming the subscription if approved. Mandrake 8.1 is the base system Postfix is the MTA and specified in the Mailman config I've tried Python 2.1.1, 2.1.2 and 2.2. I sometimes see errors complaning about a different linked library with bsddb3 (ie from bin/genaliases) I guess this is an installation/compatability problem rather than a bug as I haven't seen any reports of ay similar problems. Anyone got any ideas please? -- Colin Mackinlay From tmiller at nethawk.com Sun Jan 27 19:25:27 2002 From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:25:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing lists & admins Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020127131502.00a14080@pop.nethawk.com> I asked this before and got no answer. Don't know if I missed the reply or what. Hard to believe that no one has wanted to do this. We are using Mailman 2.0.8 and have over 600 lists. I would like to get a listing of the list names and their respective admin email addresses. I understand that this will have to be done outside of the Mailman interface. I had hoped that there was a master file containing this information that I could grep but if there is, I don't see it. Any help pointing me in the right direction is appreciated. Tim From dan at ssc.com Sun Jan 27 20:33:13 2002 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:33:13 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing lists & admins In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020127131502.00a14080@pop.nethawk.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020127131502.00a14080@pop.nethawk.com> Message-ID: <20020127113313.B14481@ssc.com> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 01:25:27PM -0500, Tim Miller wrote: > I asked this before and got no answer. Don't know if I missed the reply or what. Hard to believe that no one has wanted to do this. > Everybody here is a volunteer. The questions that get answered are the ones that catch somebody's attention. > We are using Mailman 2.0.8 and have over 600 lists. I would like to get a listing of the list names and their respective admin email addresses. I understand that this will have to be done outside of the Mailman interface. > > I had hoped that there was a master file containing this information that I could grep but if there is, I don't see it. > > Any help pointing me in the right direction is appreciated. I'd use the mailman bin program list_lists back-ended by a script to extract just the list names. Feed the list names to mailman's config_list program config_list -o - list-name and grep the standard output of that for "owner =". Print the result as a neat table. The whole thing could be done in perhaps thirty lines of bash, no doubt fewer lines of perl, perhaps a few lines more of python. Of course, some mailman user more weighty than I know doubt knows a much simpler way. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ashley at pcraft.com Sun Jan 27 20:35:15 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:35:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Showing lists & admins References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020127131502.00a14080@pop.nethawk.com> Message-ID: <3C545673.444F0B18@pcraft.com> Tim Miller wrote: > I had hoped that there was a master file containing this information that I could grep but if there is, I don't see it. There is no master list for the entire site, however each list does have their own master list if you will. It's all contained in the config.db file. You can write your own script to get the information you need. bin/dumpdb | grep owner ej: bin/dumpdb lists/journals/config.db | grep "\'owner\'" returns: 'owner': ['someone at some.domain.net', 'ashley at pcraft.com'], And the list members you can get by running bin/list_members -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From barry at zope.com Mon Jan 28 00:04:08 2002 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:04:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman BOF at IPC10 Message-ID: <15444.34664.491721.222889@anthem.wooz.org> Hi folks, I just wanted to let you guys know that there will be a Mailman BOF at IPC 10 . I believe it will be during lunch on Tuesday 5-Feb-2002. If you're planning on attending IPC10 let me know, and definitely stop by the BOF. It will be fairly unstructured, but we can do a number of things, including giving a demo of the current state of 2.1, or talking about some ideas for post-MM2.1, i.e. MM3.0. We can also talk about the ZMailman effort, or any other Mailman issues you'd like to discuss. Hope to see you all there! -Barry From joseph at femalenetwork.com Mon Jan 28 07:14:22 2002 From: joseph at femalenetwork.com (Joseph M.) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:14:22 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem... Message-ID: <008101c1a7c3$078e6b80$3401c8be@JOSEPH> Hello, We are currently using Mailman for a few months now, and we were just wondering if there is a maximun number of subscriber that it can handle, because right now we have one list that was corrupted and we do not know the cause. It gave us this error: Jan 28 17:00:02 2002 (8965) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last Jan 28 17:00:04 2002 (8966) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last Jan 28 17:00:05 2002 (8965) sweet fallback was corrupt, giving up And another thing, one of our list was mirrored to the other list which overite the list. Is there any backup of the list that Mailman generated? If not is there a way to recover lost data? Thanks, Joseph M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/071891e4/attachment.html From ral at codewan.com.ph Mon Jan 28 10:08:42 2002 From: ral at codewan.com.ph (Lito A. Lampitoc) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:08:42 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list Message-ID: <3C55151A.B0AC1679@codewan.com.ph> I added a new list by doing newlist < list name>, but when I view it on the web page, it does not exist on publicly advertised list, even though public advertised option is allowed in the list options. Why? -- Lito A. Lampitoc Foundation for Communication Initiatives phone:+63(2)8941345 CodeWAN Project http://www.codewan.com.ph -- "If you think you're good, you're not." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/08b50392/attachment.htm From joseph at femalenetwork.com Mon Jan 28 07:27:58 2002 From: joseph at femalenetwork.com (Joseph M.) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:27:58 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem Message-ID: <00a801c1a7c4$edf01f50$3401c8be@JOSEPH> Hello, We are currently using Mailman for a few months now, and we were just wondering if there is a maximun number of subscriber that it can handle, because right now we have one list that was corrupted and we do not know the cause. It gave us this error: Jan 28 17:00:02 2002 (8965) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last Jan 28 17:00:04 2002 (8966) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last Jan 28 17:00:05 2002 (8965) sweet fallback was corrupt, giving up And another thing, one of our list was mirrored to the other list which overite the list. Is there any backup of the list that Mailman generated? If not is there a way to recover lost data? Thanks, Joseph M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/36da69b0/attachment.html From joseph at femalenetwork.com Mon Jan 28 07:45:30 2002 From: joseph at femalenetwork.com (Joseph M.) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:45:30 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] recover list Message-ID: <00f101c1a7c7$616c1bd0$3401c8be@JOSEPH> We have a list which was overwritten by another list. Is there a way to recover that list? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/ae34bf0c/attachment.htm From joseph at femalenetwork.com Mon Jan 28 07:46:33 2002 From: joseph at femalenetwork.com (Joseph M.) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:46:33 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman limit Message-ID: <00fc01c1a7c7$863a4220$3401c8be@JOSEPH> Is there a maximum number of subscriber in Mailman? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/33e654e4/attachment.html From joseph at femalenetwork.com Mon Jan 28 07:54:29 2002 From: joseph at femalenetwork.com (Joseph M.) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:54:29 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem Message-ID: <012f01c1a7c8$a3351f70$3401c8be@JOSEPH> Hello, We are currently using Mailman for a few months now, and we were just wondering if there is a maximun number of subscriber that it can handle, because right now we have one list that was corrupted and we do not know the cause. It gave us this error: Jan 28 17:00:02 2002 (8965) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last Jan 28 17:00:04 2002 (8966) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last Jan 28 17:00:05 2002 (8965) sweet fallback was corrupt, giving up And another thing, one of our list was mirrored to the other list which overite the list. Is there any backup of the list that Mailman generated? If not is there a way to recover lost data? Thanks, Joseph M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/83693d72/attachment.htm From joseph at femalenetwork.com Mon Jan 28 08:21:04 2002 From: joseph at femalenetwork.com (Joseph M.) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:21:04 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem Message-ID: <015701c1a7cc$58d8e160$3401c8be@JOSEPH> Hello, We are currently using Mailman for a few months now, and we were just wondering if there is a maximun number of subscriber that it can handle, because right now we have one list that was corrupted and we do not know the cause. It gave us this error: Jan 28 17:00:02 2002 (8965) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last Jan 28 17:00:04 2002 (8966) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last Jan 28 17:00:05 2002 (8965) sweet fallback was corrupt, giving up And another thing, one of our list was mirrored to the other list which overite the list. Is there any backup of the list that Mailman generated? If not is there a way to recover lost data? Thanks, Joseph M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/70b874c0/attachment.html From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Mon Jan 28 11:45:34 2002 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 28 Jan 2002 10:45:34 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem In-Reply-To: <015701c1a7cc$58d8e160$3401c8be@JOSEPH> References: <015701c1a7cc$58d8e160$3401c8be@JOSEPH> Message-ID: <1012214734.1567.36.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 07:21, Joseph M. wrote: [6 messages in 67 minutes, all basically asking the same thing, all in MIME/alternative - please just ask questions once since the subscribers end up being mailbombed by you and rather less inclined to be helpful] > We are currently using Mailman for a few months now, and we were just wondering if there is a maximun number of subscriber that it can handle, because right now we have one list that was corrupted and we do not know the cause. It gave us this error: > Jan 28 17:00:02 2002 (8965) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last > Jan 28 17:00:04 2002 (8966) sweet db file was corrupt, using fallback: /home/mailman/lists/sweet/config.db.last > Jan 28 17:00:05 2002 (8965) sweet fallback was corrupt, giving up This does appear to happen occasionally - rarely - and when it does its a pig. You need to either scrub config.db and rebuild your list, or restore config.db from backup. > And another thing, one of our list was mirrored to the other list which overite the list. Is there any backup of the list that Mailman generated? If not is there a way to recover lost data? Don't understand the question here. Nigel. Joseph M. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Jan 28 12:21:40 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:21:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with web interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020128111554.03cadab0@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 13:52 26/01/2002 +0530, Subhasis Mahapatra wrote: >Hello to ALL, > >I installed Mailman and it is working fine. But at the time of instalation >I skiped the web-based interface part. But it looks it is difficult to >manage without web interface. > >What should I do... shall I reinstall the mailman or some changes in the >configuration file like mm_cfg.pyc will be OK to get the web based >interface. I have configured apache. You may need to rerun configure and make install in your mailman build directory if you did not supply the correct gid for --with-cgi-gid when you orginally configured MM. Once you have the correct cgi gid set up for Mailman you need to follow the instructions in section "4. Final system set-up" of the INSTALL file in your MM build directory. From ftlbm at aurora.uaf.edu Mon Jan 28 16:38:07 2002 From: ftlbm at aurora.uaf.edu (Luke Middle) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:38:07 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange bounce behavior... Message-ID: Greetings mailman folks, I am having a problem with users being changed to "no mail" presumably by the bounce options. I understand that after the set limits I put in for "bounce options" are exceeded an e-mail address will be disabled. However, I know that the addresses that are being disabled are valid because one of them is mine! Many of them also are on the same server that I use and they are coworkers who would not select "no-mail" as an option. I do not have any errors in the error log but I do see many logs in the bounce log. eg. Jan 24 09:07:12 2002 (29052) mylist: xxxxx at uaf.edu - exceeded limits Jan 24 09:07:12 2002 (29052) mylist: already disabled xxxxx at uaf.edu Jan 24 09:07:12 2002 (29052) mylist: yyyyy at uaf.edu - exceeded limits Jan 24 09:07:12 2002 (29052) mylist: already disabled yyyyy at uaf.edu Jan 24 09:07:12 2002 (29052) mylist: zzzzz at aurora.uaf.edu - exceeded limits Jan 24 09:07:12 2002 (29052) mylist: already disabled zzzzz at aurora.uaf.edu What limits are being exceeded? These particular addresses I know work so it seems odd to me that they are bouncing back. I assume though that these messages are telling me that these addresses have been disabled in the manner of changing them to "no mail". If anyone has some ideas on a fix that would be great! I have not been able to find anything so far in the archives. My system is: Yellow Dog Linux 1.2.1 2.2.0 Mailman 2.0.6 Sendmail Powermac 7600/266 Thanks tons in advance, -Luke -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Luke Middle | : for though the camomile, Institute of Arctic Biology |the more it is trodden the University of Alaska, Fairbanks |faster it grows, yet youth, the Irving I, room 211 |more it is wasted the sooner Fairbanks, AK 99775 |it wears. (II, iv) e-mail: ftlbm at uaf.edu | 907 474 1844 (office) | Falstaff: King Henry IV 907 474 5111 (lab) | Part 1 907 474-6716 (fax) | From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca Mon Jan 28 18:43:33 2002 From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:43:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages and web pages translation; Remotely creating Lists Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038D91@HERITAGE-SRV-1> Hello, I finally get every thing under control and I am getting ready to deploy MM for many mailing lists. One of them is for a French language college and they need their interface for users (and eventually for administrator too) to be translated to French. I was able to translate some of it by modifying the HTML using the admin page , but some of it comes from elsewhere. My question is where? Where in the code can I modify, for example button faces, so they show their purpose in another language. Some messages are canned too and I would like to modify them. Is there a central point where all messages and button faces are kept? Secondly, I was asked if lists could be created remotely through the web instead of using a login to the server? Thank you MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. Qc. +------------------------------------------------+ Canada J8Y 6T3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/de41bb51/attachment.htm From jbaptiste at merlinux.javeriana.edu.co Mon Jan 28 18:29:30 2002 From: jbaptiste at merlinux.javeriana.edu.co (Juan Luis Baptiste) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:29:30 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to install mailman for the first time in a Mandrake 8.0 box with postfix as the MTA agent. I have done everything the documentation says, but I'm having this problem. When I try to subscribe to a newly created list, the mail bounces back with this error message: : Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd merlinux". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) Looking at the mail log at /var/log/messages/mail/errors, I see this message every time I reply to the confirmation request mail: Jan 23 16:19:00 merlinux Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) Jan 23 16:19:00 merlinux procmail[4003]: Attempt to fake stamp by "jbaptiste" I have ran the check_perms with the -f flag as mailman user and every thing seems ok. Can anyone give me a clue on this? Thanks! -- Juan Luis Baptiste M. http://www.merlinux.org From cae at bklyn.org Mon Jan 28 19:10:16 2002 From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:10:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Should/can logs be rotated? Message-ID: <20020128181015.GB19475@tela.bklyn.org> Is it possible (or even safe) to rotate the log files in ~mailman/logs? I can envision these getting quite large and want to know if its safe to rotate them using something like savelog or newsyslog. Is there any state saved in them? -- Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | When I woke up this morning, my girlfriend cae at | Brooklyn Dust | asked if I had slept well. I said, "No, bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | I made a few mistakes." | | -- Steven Wright From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Jan 28 19:23:02 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:23:02 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020128181301.00a93160@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 12:29 28/01/2002 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to install mailman for the first time in a Mandrake 8.0 box >with postfix as the MTA agent. I have done everything the documentation >says, but I'm having this problem. When I try to subscribe to a newly >created list, the mail bounces back with this error message: > >: Command died with status 2: >"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd merlinux". Command output: >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take >99?) > >Looking at the mail log at /var/log/messages/mail/errors, I see this >message every time I reply to the confirmation request mail: > >Jan 23 16:19:00 merlinux Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. >WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) >Jan 23 16:19:00 merlinux procmail[4003]: Attempt to fake stamp by >"jbaptiste" > >I have ran the check_perms with the -f flag as mailman user and every >thing seems ok. > >Can anyone give me a clue on this? The INSTALL document in the Mailman build directory describes how you need to set the value of --with-mail-gid parameter to ./configure. See also http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.004.htp >Thanks! > >-- >Juan Luis Baptiste M. >http://www.merlinux.org > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From stone at hkust.se Mon Jan 28 19:36:01 2002 From: stone at hkust.se (Magnus Stenman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:36:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] size directive not honoured? Message-ID: <3C559A11.881CF4E3@hkust.se> I have set max_message_size = 400 in the list's config file, but I can still post large (1 mb+) messages to the list... Nothing special appears in the logs. ----- vette: Jan 28 17:02:15 2002 (14036) Test post from stone at hkust.se held: Post to moderated list Jan 28 17:03:25 2002 (14080) approved held message enqueued: heldmsg-test-6.txt post: Jan 28 17:04:32 2002 (14090) post to test from stone at hkust.se, size=706573, success ----- The list is moderated, does a moderator approval override the max_message_size? mailman 2.0.8 (rpm) python 1.5.2 (rpm) redhat 7.2 /magnus From martin at webtech.se Mon Jan 28 20:32:02 2002 From: martin at webtech.se (Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D6stlund?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:32:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invalid From reply Message-ID: <3C55A732.10EC96D1@webtech.se> Hello List. I apoligize if this has been on the topic before, im new in the list. I just got Mailman installed and (somewhat) configured. When the list replies to a user, i.e when someone is about to subscribe, it sends from list-announce-request at my.hostname.com (my fqdn), when actually the list is under listname at another-domain.com, how can I configure it to reply from another-domain.com instead? Sorry for my poor gramatics. Martin. From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Mon Jan 28 20:49:19 2002 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:49:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] question.... Message-ID: <20020128194919.10107.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there!!! I have a newer question...i received a message to aprove a mail in a mailing list...however when i introduce to the interface to aprove or discard the message i found something like: the message with the number id = 123 was lost, and there is nothing more about information....what happened???? Thanks!!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 28 21:47:24 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:47:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question.... References: <20020128194919.10107.qmail@web14913.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01be01c1a83c$fda88b30$0b04010a@JCARNES> You deleted the actual message out of the ~mailman/data/.. directory. When the admindb cgi went to check on the message, it discovered that the message was no longer there, so it cleaned-up and exited. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Sammons" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] question.... > > Hi there!!! > > I have a newer question...i received a message > to aprove a mail in a mailing list...however when i > introduce to the interface to aprove or discard the > message i found something like: the message with the > number id = 123 was lost, and there is nothing more > about information....what happened???? > > Thanks!!!! From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 28 21:49:21 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invalid From reply References: <3C55A732.10EC96D1@webtech.se> Message-ID: <01c401c1a83d$437f1d40$0b04010a@JCARNES> This is configurable from the web-admin interface under General Options (one of the last items on the page). Be careful and make sure that you have setup for virtual hosts in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin ?stlund" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invalid From reply > Hello List. > > I apoligize if this has been on the topic before, im new in the list. > I just got Mailman installed and (somewhat) configured. > When the list replies to a user, i.e when someone is about to subscribe, > it > sends from list-announce-request at my.hostname.com (my fqdn), when > actually > the list is under listname at another-domain.com, how can I configure it to > > reply from another-domain.com instead? > > Sorry for my poor gramatics. > > Martin. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 28 21:51:50 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:51:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Should/can logs be rotated? References: <20020128181015.GB19475@tela.bklyn.org> Message-ID: <01ce01c1a83d$9bd20bb0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Check out the FAQ, you will find a script for rotating the logs. If you check the Archives you will find several ways of doing this, including ones that generate and email site stats. I recommend rotating them at least twice monthly, but if your site is extremely busy you might want to do it more often. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caleb Epstein" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Should/can logs be rotated? > > Is it possible (or even safe) to rotate the log files in > ~mailman/logs? I can envision these getting quite large and > want to know if its safe to rotate them using something like > savelog or newsyslog. > > Is there any state saved in them? > > -- > Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | When I woke up this morning, my girlfriend > cae at | Brooklyn Dust | asked if I had slept well. I said, "No, > bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | I made a few mistakes." > | | -- Steven Wright > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 28 21:55:31 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:55:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages and web pages translation; Remotely creating Lists References: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038D91@HERITAGE-SRV-1> Message-ID: <01e601c1a83e$1f9aec50$0b04010a@JCARNES> Messages and web pages translation; Remotely creating ListsUse the Source! Mailman is opensource. You may have installed it via an RPM, but you can just as easily install it via it's source files. In particular, you can grep for whatever text you like and change it in the Source. These issues, and many others are covered in the "international" mailman list. You might find more help if you post there. I suspect you will also find someone with the Source already converted... Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Lafleur Maurice To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages and web pages translation; Remotely creating Lists Hello, I finally get every thing under control and I am getting ready to deploy MM for many mailing lists. One of them is for a French language college and they need their interface for users (and eventually for administrator too) to be translated to French. I was able to translate some of it by modifying the HTML using the admin page , but some of it comes from elsewhere. My question is where? Where in the code can I modify, for example button faces, so they show their purpose in another language. Some messages are canned too and I would like to modify them. Is there a central point where all messages and button faces are kept? Secondly, I was asked if lists could be created remotely through the web instead of using a login to the server? Thank you MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. Qc. +------------------------------------------------+ Canada J8Y 6T3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/63a53c21/attachment.html From cae at bklyn.org Mon Jan 28 21:57:21 2002 From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:57:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Should/can logs be rotated? In-Reply-To: <01ce01c1a83d$9bd20bb0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <20020128181015.GB19475@tela.bklyn.org> <01ce01c1a83d$9bd20bb0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20020128205721.GA23245@tela.bklyn.org> On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 03:51:50PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > Check out the FAQ, you will find a script for rotating the logs. If > you check the Archives you will find several ways of doing this, > including ones that generate and email site stats. I recommend > rotating them at least twice monthly, but if your site is extremely > busy you might want to do it more often. Jon Carnes I don't see this in the FAQ. Perhaps I am using the wrong URL? I have: http://www.list.org/faq.html . I would be very interested in that stats script if someone would be so kind enough to send me a copy. The Mailman-Users archives are rather large and, unfortunately, not searchable. From email I have gotten, it seems like the executive summary is that it is totally safe to rotate/archive these logs and that they hold no state that Mailman needs to operate, which is what I was hoping for. -- Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | cae at | Brooklyn Dust | Death is nature's way of saying `Howdy'. bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 28 21:59:39 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:59:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem References: <015701c1a7cc$58d8e160$3401c8be@JOSEPH> <1012214734.1567.36.camel@gaspode.localnet> Message-ID: <01f101c1a83e$b3c33cc0$0b04010a@JCARNES> > > And another thing, one of our list was mirrored to the other list which overite the list. Is there any backup of the list that Mailman generated? If not is there a way to recover lost data? > > Don't understand the question here. > There may still be a config.db.last in the directory ~mailman/lists//... if so, you can copy it over the existing bad config.db and you will once again be happy. Though I do suspect that by now you have made changes in the muggled list and saved them - thus overwriting the config.db.last... The moral - Backups are important. How important? Well, how important are your lists? Jon Carnes From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 28 22:38:53 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:38:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please put the FAQ link in the FOOTER!!!! A plea to the sysadmin for the group References: <20020128181015.GB19475@tela.bklyn.org> <01ce01c1a83d$9bd20bb0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20020128205721.GA23245@tela.bklyn.org> Message-ID: <024001c1a844$2ecca2d0$0b04010a@JCARNES> The FAQ I was referring to is the one that is generated by this list: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.007.htp It would be nice, if the admin for the group could include it in the footer... Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caleb Epstein" To: "Jon Carnes" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Should/can logs be rotated? > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 03:51:50PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > > > Check out the FAQ, you will find a script for rotating the logs. If > > you check the Archives you will find several ways of doing this, > > including ones that generate and email site stats. I recommend > > rotating them at least twice monthly, but if your site is extremely > > busy you might want to do it more often. Jon Carnes > > I don't see this in the FAQ. Perhaps I am using the wrong > URL? I have: http://www.list.org/faq.html . I would be > very interested in that stats script if someone would be so > kind enough to send me a copy. The Mailman-Users archives > are rather large and, unfortunately, not searchable. > > From email I have gotten, it seems like the executive summary > is that it is totally safe to rotate/archive these logs and > that they hold no state that Mailman needs to operate, which > is what I was hoping for. > > -- > Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | > cae at | Brooklyn Dust | Death is nature's way of saying `Howdy'. > bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca Mon Jan 28 23:02:03 2002 From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:02:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages and web pages translation; Remotely creating Lists Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038D96@HERITAGE-SRV-1> Thanks, I will check with the french team and maybe help them out. I knew the source has to be used, I just know squat about python and sorta was looking for a jump start on where the messages are generated. Anyhow... About creating a new list from the web, is this possible yet or just another item to add to the wish list? Thanks, MGL -----Original Message----- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com] Sent: January 28, 2002 3:56 PM To: Lafleur Maurice; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages and web pages translation; Remotely creating Lists Use the Source! Mailman is opensource. You may have installed it via an RPM, but you can just as easily install it via it's source files. In particular, you can grep for whatever text you like and change it in the Source. These issues, and many others are covered in the "international" mailman list. You might find more help if you post there. I suspect you will also find someone with the Source already converted... Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Lafleur Maurice To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages and web pages translation; Remotely creating Lists Hello, I finally get every thing under control and I am getting ready to deploy MM for many mailing lists. One of them is for a French language college and they need their interface for users (and eventually for administrator too) to be translated to French. I was able to translate some of it by modifying the HTML using the admin page , but some of it comes from elsewhere. My question is where? Where in the code can I modify, for example button faces, so they show their purpose in another language. Some messages are canned too and I would like to modify them. Is there a central point where all messages and button faces are kept? Secondly, I was asked if lists could be created remotely through the web instead of using a login to the server? Thank you MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. Qc. +------------------------------------------------+ Canada J8Y 6T3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/ae63a5e9/attachment.htm From linux at wombatsweb.com Sat Jan 26 01:03:53 2002 From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:03:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No footer for HTML messages Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125190024.00afbdb0@mail.wombatsweb.com> I installed Mailman 2.0.8 and have noticed that it doesn't put the list footer on messages in HTML format ... I looked on SourceForge to see if the bug was posted and a possible resolution, but didn't see anything in Bugs or Patches ... Is this a known bug, or has no one noticed? (doubtful) ... How can I fix it? Please reply directly as I have not subscribed to the list ... Thanks ... From jbaptiste at localhost.javeriana.edu.co Sun Jan 27 04:37:30 2002 From: jbaptiste at localhost.javeriana.edu.co (Juan Luis Baptiste M.) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:37:30 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. Message-ID: <1012102650.3c5375faa4d4e@mail.merlinux.org> Hi, I'm trying to install mailman for the first time in a Mandrake 8.0 box with postfix as the MTA agent. I have done everything the documentation says, but I'm having this problem. When I try to subscribe to a newly created list, I get the confirmation subscription request message, I reply it but then I don't get any mail back with the successful subscription message. That happens when the mail is sent from the same machine where mailman is installed. If the subscription equest is from an email account in another machine, instead of not getting any mail back, I get a bounce message saying that the mail couldn't be delivered because this: : 200.3.154.40 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied Looking at the mail log at /var/log/messages/mail/errors, I see this message every time I reply to the confirmation request mail: Jan 23 16:19:00 merlinux Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) I have ran the check_perms with the -f flag as mailman user and every thing seems ok. Can anyone give me a clue on this? Thanks! -- Juan Luis Baptiste M. http://www.merlinux.org ------------------------------------------------------ Visita la pagina de Merlinux - http://www.merlinux.org From mailman at mackinlay.demon.co.uk Sun Jan 27 15:37:21 2002 From: mailman at mackinlay.demon.co.uk (mailman) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:37:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1a4 Approving users not working Message-ID: I have a problem with my installation of 2.1a4: I have created a test list which requires confirmation and approval to add users. New users can fill out a form ok and receive the first email. After they confirm they are added to the pending requests and the list admin is notified. Going to the admin page gives the 4 options: defer, approve, reject, discard but only reject (and defer) work. Approving or discarding gives a report that the database is updated and sometimes returns a screen with the new user apparently processed because they are not listed. On refreshing the page however they re-appear. No email is sent confirming the subscription if approved. Mandrake 8.1 is the base system Postfix is the MTA and specified in the Mailman config I've tried Python 2.1.1, 2.1.2 and 2.2. I sometimes see errors complaning about a different linked library with bsddb3 (ie from bin/genaliases) I guess this is an installation/compatability problem rather than a bug as I haven't seen any reports of ay similar problems. Anyone got any ideas please? -- Colin Mackinlay From marc_news at vasoftware.com Sun Jan 27 01:19:49 2002 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:19:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for NT Servers ? In-Reply-To: <005301c1978e$4e3dd5b0$2984adac@WEB01>; from mail@it-careernet.com on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 10:15:59AM -0500 References: <005301c1978e$4e3dd5b0$2984adac@WEB01> Message-ID: <20020126161949.A13692@merlins.org> On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 10:15:59AM -0500, ITC wrote: > Hello, > > Do you have a Mailman version that runs on a NT platform, or know were I > can find one. There were a few words about this, but I don't think anything ever came out of it. For the most part, people interested in mailman are not interested in NT. All that said, the port shouldn't be too hard. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From marc_news at vasoftware.com Sun Jan 27 01:53:33 2002 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:53:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman under 'secure' Linux kernels In-Reply-To: <15421.47727.466118.279943@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@zope.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:59:43AM -0500 References: <3C3CAF09.10338.F0E33D@localhost> <3C3D246D.18221.DF4FD@localhost> <15421.47727.466118.279943@anthem.wooz.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20020110161927.032936f0@pop.ftel.co.uk> <3C3CAF09.10338.F0E33D@localhost> <3C3D246D.18221.DF4FD@localhost> <15421.47727.466118.279943@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20020126165333.B13692@merlins.org> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:59:43AM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: Content-Description: message body text > Has README.LINUX not helped? I'm attaching a few files from Mailman > 2.1 just in case they have more useful or up-to-date information. > The script itself is probably too MM2.1-centric, but it might be > useful so I'm including it for completeness. Thanks for answering all this while I was asleep at the wheel :-) (catching up on my 2000+ list Email backlog right now) On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:25:28PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote: > MM 2.0.8 $build/README.LINUX reads as follows which seems define the > problem and solution pretty clearly: The quick version is that the script I wrote for mailman 2.1 has been slightly updated for the new code, and contains a few more things to make grsecurity happy too. (the code in mailman 2.0 only deals with restricted symlinks in secure-linux, which is a simpler patch for linux 2.2 kernels). If you are interested in grsecurity for 2.4 linux kernels, see http://www.grsecurity.net/ Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From marc_news at vasoftware.com Sun Jan 27 05:33:48 2002 From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:33:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and auto-responders? In-Reply-To: ; from paul@cuenet.com on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:45:42PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20020126203348.E13692@merlins.org> On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 03:45:42PM -0800, Paul Thomas wrote: > > Howdy, > > Is Mailman vulnerable to mail-loops caused by auto-responders > that are configured to look like an email sent by a person? Yes. Autoresponders are not supposed to answer mails with a precedence of list or bulk, and they are supposed to answer to the envelope sender. That said, some happily ignore precedence, and will answer to the header from, and the reply-to if there is one. If you don't do reply-to munging (the default for many good reasons), you're ok, but if you do do reply-to munging, you run the risk of having an autoresponder create a loop with your list. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From j0_man at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 12:15:00 2002 From: j0_man at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jo=20Man?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:15:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] help Message-ID: <20020128111500.46615.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Is there a way to recover a corrupted config.db file? And does mailman have a backup of the lists somewhere? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020128/026d7467/attachment.html From edu.miralles at debtwatch.org Mon Jan 28 13:40:17 2002 From: edu.miralles at debtwatch.org (Edu Miralles Jimenez) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:40:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.error ?? newbie with a question. Message-ID: <3C5546B1.5030201@debtwatch.org> Hi all; I'm trying to use Linux Debian, Postfix and Mailman. Usually Postfix runs OK, I can send mails directly from the server, but when I try to create a new list whith 'newlist' command, Mailman can not send the mail to the administrator of the list. Following is log file, smtp- failures: Jan 28 13:13:42 2002 TrySMTPDelivery: To jca.batang at tang.com: Jan 28 13:13:42 2002 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / (111, 'Connection refused') (deferred) Jan 28 13:13:42 2002 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs restarting? Of course I have add the lines shown by the newlist command, and restarted postfix. Also there is nothing about this error in the others mail logs (mail.error, mail.log, mail.warn, syslog ). What can I do? Sorry about my english. Edu. From zeca at h8.ita.br Mon Jan 28 21:53:02 2002 From: zeca at h8.ita.br (zeca at h8.ita.br) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:53:02 -0200 (BRST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] forbidden unsubscribe Message-ID: <1571.161.24.73.105.1012251182.squirrel@mail.h8.ita.br> How can I make a list that no user can unsubscribe from? This list contains all users from the mail server. Thanks. Zeca From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 28 23:35:39 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:35:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1a4 Approving users not working References: Message-ID: <030e01c1a84c$1ce3da40$0b04010a@JCARNES> I believe that this is a browser specific problem. When I have seen this problem, it is always with IE 6.0 (or now that folks had to up-date, with 5.5 as well). If that is the case, then add the site as "trusted" to your browser. After that, it will act properly. BTW: I use Mandrake 8.1 and have to use Netscape for approvals, Konqueror has a problem in handling the page. Perhaps its the same problem that converting the site to "trusted" fixes for IE. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "mailman" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1a4 Approving users not working > I have a problem with my installation of 2.1a4: > > I have created a test list which requires confirmation and approval to > add users. New users can fill out a form ok and receive the first email. > After they confirm they are added to the pending requests and the list > admin is notified. > > Going to the admin page gives the 4 options: defer, approve, reject, > discard but only reject (and defer) work. Approving or discarding > gives a report that the database is updated and sometimes returns a > screen with the new user apparently processed because they are not > listed. On refreshing the page however they re-appear. No email is sent > confirming the subscription if approved. > > Mandrake 8.1 is the base system > Postfix is the MTA and specified in the Mailman config > I've tried Python 2.1.1, 2.1.2 and 2.2. I sometimes see errors > complaning about a different linked library with bsddb3 (ie from > bin/genaliases) > > I guess this is an installation/compatability problem rather than a bug > as I haven't seen any reports of ay similar problems. Anyone got any > ideas please? > > -- > Colin Mackinlay > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Mon Jan 28 23:41:08 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:41:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] forbidden unsubscribe References: <1571.161.24.73.105.1012251182.squirrel@mail.h8.ita.br> Message-ID: <032601c1a84c$e0d179d0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Go into the /etc/aliases file and put: urmyslvs: :include:/etc/aliasfiles/urmyslvs Create and directory called /etc/aliasfiles mkdir /etc/aliasfiles Create a file in the directory called "urmyslvs" cd /etc/aliasfiles vi urmyslvs now enter the email addresses one per line. Once done, type newaliases. You have created an email list called: urmyslvs at localhost.com Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:53 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] forbidden unsubscribe > > How can I make a list that no user can unsubscribe from? > This list contains all users from the mail server. > > Thanks. > > Zeca > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rbrandt at sbdsl.com Mon Jan 28 23:40:46 2002 From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:40:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No footer for HTML messages In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125190024.00afbdb0@mail.wombatsweb.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125190024.00afbdb0@mail.wombatsweb.com> Message-ID: I would be interested in knowing the status/resolution on this as well. Rob At 7:03 PM -0500 1/25/02, David Pierron wrote: >I installed Mailman 2.0.8 and have noticed that it doesn't put the >list footer on messages in HTML format ... > >I looked on SourceForge to see if the bug was posted and a possible >resolution, but didn't see anything in Bugs or Patches ... > >Is this a known bug, or has no one noticed? (doubtful) ... How can I fix it? > >Please reply directly as I have not subscribed to the list ... > >Thanks ... -- From p at state-of-mind.de Tue Jan 29 01:50:12 2002 From: p at state-of-mind.de (Patrick Ben Koetter) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:50:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix + virtual domains Message-ID: <000e01c1a85e$e8a1e200$010010ac@homebase> Hi there, I'm not sure if this is OT. I have a postfix daemon running, accepting and delivering mails for my local domain and a few virtual domains. Now I want to integrate mailman as listserver for one of the virtual (!) domains. My problem is: The output generated by bin/newlist applies for 'alias'-style maps and not for a postfix 'virtual' map. And this is where my problems start: 1. alias_maps doesn't work for virtual domains If I configure postfix to look up the lists in the alias_maps section it cannot find the corresponding users because they belong to the virtual domain. Exception: I set the hostname in 'mydestination' which I am not supposed to do when I run postfix with virtual domains the 'postfix-style'. Hmmmm... 2. virtual_maps won't execute 'wrapper' correctly So I moved the mailman-alias-map into postfix's virtual_map section and edited the map file. I deleted the ':', added '@virtualdom.ain' to the user names and left the paths to 'wrapper' including the commands untouched. Example: events at virtualdom.ain "|/PATH_TO_MAILMAN/mailman/mail/wrapper post events" Now postfix started complaining that it couldn't find the user, because something went wrong when it tried to deliver to 'wrapper'. DoubleHmmmm... I think, that the virtual map does not support scripts to be executed as I understand that alias maps on contrary do. to prove that I read threads in the postfix lists and had a look at "Postfix" by Richard Blum. I couldn't find anything to prove I'm wrong with my idea. Still that doesn't fix my problem :-| What am I doing the wrong way? Has anybody managed to integrate mailman with postfix virtual domains? Did I totally misunderstand something? Should I go to bed and get some sleep ;-) thanks for pointing me towards the right direction, p at rick From stevens at readinks.info Tue Jan 29 03:53:08 2002 From: stevens at readinks.info (Steven Schermerhorn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:53:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] www install Message-ID: <2008.65.27.48.229.1012272788.squirrel@readinks.info> Does the 'make install' install the some webpages in '/var/www/html/' somewhere? I have installed mailman to /home/mailman . Permissions are good and apache is configured to let /home/mailman/cgi-bin run cgi scripts, but what good does that do? /home/mailman is not on my webserver! Does it need to be? -Steven From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Jan 29 03:59:05 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:59:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] www install References: <2008.65.27.48.229.1012272788.squirrel@readinks.info> Message-ID: <3C560FF9.E329E88D@pcraft.com> Steven Schermerhorn wrote: > Does the 'make install' install the some webpages in '/var/www/html/' > somewhere? Nope. > I have installed mailman to /home/mailman . Permissions are good and > apache is configured to let /home/mailman/cgi-bin run cgi scripts, but > what good does that do? /home/mailman is not on my webserver! Does it need > to be? Everything is installed under /home/mailman. If you've followed the install instructions, you shold also have added an Alias to Apache that tells it to "translate" /mailman to /home/mailman. Go through the docs again, you'll find it. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From stevens at readinks.info Tue Jan 29 05:02:32 2002 From: stevens at readinks.info (Steven Schermerhorn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:02:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question Message-ID: <2293.65.27.48.229.1012276952.squirrel@readinks.info> Hey, thanks for the help. I can get to everything through apache now. But the links that it uses does not make sense. For example: http://readinks.info/mailman/listinfo/test ... listinfo is a file not a folder. I know I have access to it because if it just do listinfo then it downloads the file. From news at tnet.com Tue Jan 29 05:05:19 2002 From: news at tnet.com (Kevin W. Reed) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:05:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives? Message-ID: <20020128210519.B3065@tnet.com> Must be missing it.... where can I search the mailman-users archives. From jbaptiste at merlinux.javeriana.edu.co Tue Jan 29 04:56:16 2002 From: jbaptiste at merlinux.javeriana.edu.co (Juan Luis Baptiste) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:56:16 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing lists from majordomo Message-ID: Hi, Finally I got mailman running, thanks to the people that helped me. Now I need to migrate some email addresses that I got in some lists in majordomo to mailman, but it seems that mailman doesn't use a plain text file with the addresses for each list, right? how can I import them to mailman? Thanks! Juan Luis Baptiste M. http://www.merlinux.org From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Jan 29 05:22:30 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing lists from majordomo References: Message-ID: <3C562386.88389166@pcraft.com> Juan Luis Baptiste wrote: > Finally I got mailman running, thanks to the people that helped me. Now I > need to migrate some email addresses that I got in some lists in majordomo > to mailman, but it seems that mailman doesn't use a plain text file with > the addresses for each list, right? how can I import them to mailman? bin/add_members -n listname -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Jan 29 05:26:49 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:26:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question References: <2293.65.27.48.229.1012276952.squirrel@readinks.info> Message-ID: <3C562489.DB539F2A@pcraft.com> Steven Schermerhorn wrote: > Hey, thanks for the help. I can get to everything through apache now. But > the links that it uses does not make sense. For example: > http://readinks.info/mailman/listinfo/test ... listinfo is a file not a > folder. I know I have access to it because if it just do listinfo then it > downloads the file. That means you don' thave Apache setup properly. A couple of days ago I posted a typical setup, with some personal modifications: A typical (customized) setup on my end: ServerAdmin mailman at lists.domain.net * DocumentRoot /home/mailman/www ServerName lists.domain.net ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/" Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/" * Alias /icons/ "/home/mailman/www/icons/" * Alias /errors/ "/home/mailman/www/errors/" Options ExecCGI Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None * * Options Includes * * ErrorDocument 500 /errors/500.shtml * ErrorDocument 404 /errors/404.shtml * ErrorDocument 403 /errors/403.shtml ErrorLog logs/errors_log.lists.domain.net CustomLog logs/access_log.lists.domain.net combined * - custom mods I added -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Tue Jan 29 05:30:15 2002 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:30:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question Message-ID: <200201290430.UAA15340@utopia.West.Sun.COM> You really need to read the instructions. > Hey, thanks for the help. I can get to everything through apache now. But > the links that it uses does not make sense. For example: > http://readinks.info/mailman/listinfo/test ... listinfo is a file not a > folder. I know I have access to it because if it just do listinfo then it > downloads the file. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Jan 29 11:06:24 2002 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:06:24 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] www install In-Reply-To: <2008.65.27.48.229.1012272788.squirrel@readinks.info> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020129095029.02c65760@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 20:53 28/01/2002 -0600, Steven Schermerhorn wrote: >Does the 'make install' install the some webpages in '/var/www/html/' >somewhere? > >I have installed mailman to /home/mailman . Permissions are good and >apache is configured to let /home/mailman/cgi-bin run cgi scripts, but >what good does that do? /home/mailman is not on my webserver! Does it need >to be? > >-Steven Mailman's web GUI is generated by the scripts in /home/mailman/cgi-bin so the Apache server you want to deliver the GUI pages must be able to access and execute the scripts. When executed, these scripts must also have access to Mailman directory structure to access the data files therein. If your web server runs on a different machine to Mailman then you must use NFS (or some such transparent file sharing scheme) to provide the appropriate access. This is briefly touched on in section "4. Final system set-up" of the INSTALL file in the Mailman build directory. >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk Tue Jan 29 13:06:40 2002 From: matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk (matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:06:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix + virtual domains Message-ID: <80256B50.0042E3EA.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> On 29/01/2002 00:50:12 Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >I have a postfix daemon running, accepting and delivering mails for my >local domain and a few virtual domains. >Now I want to integrate mailman as listserver for one of the virtual >(!) domains. > >My problem is: >The output generated by bin/newlist applies for 'alias'-style maps and >not for a postfix 'virtual' map. And this is where my problems start: I'm uncertain how this might work on one machine as I host many virtual domains on a relay while the list servers are on other machines. However, for what it might or might not be worth: Relay's virtual file lists.this.domain.tld DOMAIN @lists.this.domain.tld @lists.real.address # sends all mail for @lists to lists machine On the lists machine aliases as normal. Now perusing the Postfix book it looks as if you should be able to do what you want on one machine like this: /etc/postfix/virtual virtual.domain DOMAIN list at virtual.domain list list-admin at virtual.domain list-admin list-request at virtual.domain list-request list-owner at virtual.domain list-admin another.domain DOMAIN thing at another.domain thing thing-admin at another.domain thing-admin thing-request at another.domain thing-request thing-owner at another.domain thing-admin /etc/postfix/aliases list: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper post list" list-admin: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner list" list-request: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd list" list-owner: list-admin thing: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper post thing" thing-admin: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner thing" thing-request: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd thing" thing-owner: thing-admin However since each "list" in a virtual domain points at a local "user" and those local users must be unique so too the list names must be unique over ALL the virtual domains: ie you cannot have mylist at virtual.domain and mylist at seconddomain. Mmm... perhaps worth saying again, I'm looking at a book, I *haven't* set it up like this myself. Matthew NB: The book refered to is "Postfix", by Richard Blum, Sams Publishing. ISBN 0-672-32114-9 From matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk Tue Jan 29 13:16:54 2002 From: matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk (matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:16:54 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing lists from majordomo Message-ID: <80256B50.0043CEA4.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> On 29/01/2002 03:56:16 Juan Luis Baptiste wrote: >Hi, > >Finally I got mailman running, thanks to the people that helped me. Now I >need to migrate some email addresses that I got in some lists in majordomo >to mailman, but it seems that mailman doesn't use a plain text file with >the addresses for each list, right? how can I import them to mailman? Clean up the export from Majordomo so there's one subscriber per line and no comments in a plain text file then there's a script ~mailman/bin/add_members Usage: add_members [-n ] [-d ] [-c ] [-w ] [-h] listname Where: --non-digest-members-file -n A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one address per line. This list of people become non-digest members. If is `-', read addresses from stdin. --digest-members-file -d Similar to above, but these people become digest members. --changes-msg= -c set whether or not to send the list members the `there's going to be big changes to your list' message. defaults to no. --welcome-msg= -w set whether or not to send the list members a welcome message, overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting is. --help -h Print this help message and exit. listname The name of the Mailman list you are adding members to. It must already exist. From Udcsweb2 at unisa.ac.za Tue Jan 29 14:53:25 2002 From: Udcsweb2 at unisa.ac.za (Udcsweb2) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:53:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. Message-ID: >>> Juan Luis Baptiste 01/28/02 07:29PM >>> >> Jan 23 16:19:00 merlinux Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. >> WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) >> Jan 23 16:19:00 merlinux procmail[4003]: Attempt to fake stamp by >> "jbaptiste" You probably did not specify the option --with-mail-gid upon compilation, which caused you compilation to expect the group "mail" (GID: 12) to run the wrapper. The log file is telling you that a group with the GID of 99 is running the wrapper. To fix, you will need to find out what the name of the group is with GID 99. On our Linux Redhat 5.1, you may cat the /etc/group file and hav a look. On my system, 99 is "nobody". ??? To fix, you will have to re-compile mailman with the correct --with-mail-gid. Here you must specify the group that corresponds 99. Hope this helps, Johan van den Berg -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: TEXT.htm Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020129/310b0567/attachment.pot From camel at lrllamas.com Tue Jan 29 15:01:31 2002 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Jay S Curtis) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:01:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web mail interface Message-ID: <20020129140132.0143C867A@camel.lrllamas.com> Has anyone, or does anyone know, if there is a web-based BBS style add on that mailman could hook into? I'd like to try to find a ubbs type of access to my lists without loosing the functionality of mailman (which I love) TIA! -- Jay S. Curtis From stone at hkust.se Tue Jan 29 15:10:26 2002 From: stone at hkust.se (Magnus Stenman) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:10:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] forbidden unsubscribe References: <1571.161.24.73.105.1012251182.squirrel@mail.h8.ita.br> <032601c1a84c$e0d179d0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <3C56AD52.44E1B28B@hkust.se> Jon Carnes wrote: > > Go into the /etc/aliases file and put: > urmyslvs: :include:/etc/aliasfiles/urmyslvs > > Create and directory called /etc/aliasfiles > mkdir /etc/aliasfiles > > Create a file in the directory called "urmyslvs" > cd /etc/aliasfiles > vi urmyslvs > now enter the email addresses one per line. > > Once done, type newaliases. You have created an email list called: > urmyslvs at localhost.com That anyone can post to... If you want it to be a full mailing list, maybe some creative permissions on the list's config.db could work (kludgy, but...) /magnus > > Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:53 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] forbidden unsubscribe > > > > > How can I make a list that no user can unsubscribe from? > > This list contains all users from the mail server. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Zeca > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From detlef.neubauer at charite.de Tue Jan 29 16:51:28 2002 From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer) Date: 29 Jan 2002 16:51:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't remove user In-Reply-To: David Nagel's message of "Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:08:09 -0600" References: Message-ID: David Nagel writes: > I'm using Mailman 2.0.6 on Red Hat 7.1 > > One of my list administrators added an address to one of our lists and he > put a " character at the beginning of the address ("user at stuff.org) Now I > can't delete the user with the web interface or from the command line. I > can't even list the users of that list with the list_users command. > > Is there a way for me to remove this user from the list? remove_members listname \"user at stuff.org Tested with MM 2.0.5. Shell was /bin/bash. HTH Mit freundlichen Gr??en Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo. From detlef.neubauer at charite.de Tue Jan 29 16:54:29 2002 From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer) Date: 29 Jan 2002 16:54:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering Attachments In-Reply-To: Oliver Gassner's message of "Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:08:02 +0100" References: <4v655uoqokc9hetm51a6oiqlt86gepb3kr@4ax.com> Message-ID: Oliver Gassner writes: > how do I avoid that E-Mails with attachments make it into the > Mailiinglist? stripmime --> http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html demime --> http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html > I'd prefer if I could set the extensions this applies to. Ups. Mit freundlichen Gr??en Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo. From rtecolt at uiagc.pue.uia.mx Tue Jan 29 17:02:15 2002 From: rtecolt at uiagc.pue.uia.mx (Ramon F. Tecolt G,) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:02:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help, Urgent!!! Massive emails... Message-ID: <3C56C787.8080608@uiagc.pue.uia.mx> Hi everybody..... I have mailman running on a Solaris 8 server... and i have 3 lists; all of them are with posting restrictions until approval; just me and another account can post without approval. When I send messages to any list, i still requiring approval... this is my first trouble. The second, is if someone sends an email to the list, the message of "pending authorization" is sent to everybody suscribed to the list ( i have this trouble on the 3 lists). It is suppossed to be just to the sender, isn't it? I read the FAQ, i tried many different configurations on the admin interface and directly on mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py; and i still have the problems... someone can help me? does someone have had this problems? thank you ppl. i'll really appreciate any help you can give to me... -- famous programmer quotation: "strange" ---- Ramon F. Tecolt G. Network Manager & Webmaster Universidad Iberoamericana Golfo Centro Direccion de Informatica - Coordinacion de Operacion Blvd. del Ni?o Poblano No. 2901 Unidad Territorial Atlixcayotl, 72430 Puebla, Pue. MX Voice: +52 (222) 229 07 00, ext. 589 Fax: +52 (222) 230 17 30 EMail: rtecolt at uiagc.pue.uia.mx Web: http://www.pue.uia.mx/ Linux User Number: 185441 ICQ Number: 42060334 From msullivan at e-comsupport.com Tue Jan 29 17:24:27 2002 From: msullivan at e-comsupport.com (Michael Sullivan) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:24:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not getting posted Message-ID: <0F3DA832E73FD411906D009027FC2BC9026B1B15@gemini.e-comsupport.com> Hello, I'm running Mailman 2.0.6 on an OpenBSD 3.0 x86 box. The installation had been working perfectly until recently. Unfortunately I lacked the foresight to properly adjust certain kernel parameters beforehand, the box ran out of proc entries, and crashed. It was rebooted and the proper settings tweaked to prevent a re-occurance of the incident. Since then, mail is still being accepted, but is just building up in the qfiles directory. These are moderated lists, but when we log in to the adminsitrative interface, we get "There are no pending requests". requests.db stays at a filesize of 2. Mail logs indicate that the mail is being successfully delivered to wrapper. The only entries in the qrunner log are "cannot acquire lock". This entry appears almost every minute, but skips one about every 5 minutes, so I'm assuming that the lock is expiring and qrunner running normally for a couple of minutes, and the lock is preventing any new instances from starting up. The only entries I have in the error log are qrunner "Not locked" exceptions. There are only a few, and I think they correspond with me deleting the locks with qrunner still running while I was troubleshooting. The post log is simply empty (since the date on which things stopped working). I have stopped the cron job long enough to erase lockfiles and run qrunner manually. This did me no good. check_perms returns no problems (as does check_db, although I doubt it's relevant). The only thin gI can find that looks the least bit out of place is that the access times on the qrunner lock files are always 10 hours or so in the future. I'm not sure if this is normal behavior or what. Any ideas? I don't really know where else to look for my problem. Thanks, Michael Sullivan UNIX System Administrator e-Commerce Support Centers, Inc. From mislam at uillinois.edu Tue Jan 29 17:40:57 2002 From: mislam at uillinois.edu (Islam, Sharif) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:40:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which folders to backup Message-ID: <258B1C4C80B3D511973B00D0B720E2D0AE2C@adminmail2.aiss.uic.edu> I need to backup my mailing lists. Which folders should I backup? Is there any recommended backup script ? thanks From p at state-of-mind.de Tue Jan 29 18:50:43 2002 From: p at state-of-mind.de (Patrick Ben Koetter) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:50:43 +0100 Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] mailman + postfix + virtual domains In-Reply-To: <80256B50.0042E3EA.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: <004c01c1a8ed$78dab840$010010ac@homebase> Hi Matthew, your idea works like a charm. Shame on me, I have the same book. :( You have the book and the better understanding. :) thanks, p at rick > >I have a postfix daemon running, accepting and delivering > mails for my > >local domain and a few virtual domains. > >Now I want to integrate mailman as listserver for one of > the virtual > >(!) domains. > > > >My problem is: > >The output generated by bin/newlist applies for > 'alias'-style maps and > >not for a postfix 'virtual' map. And this is where my > problems start: > > Now perusing the Postfix book it looks as if you should be > able to do what you > want on one machine like this: > > /etc/postfix/virtual > > virtual.domain DOMAIN > list at virtual.domain list > list-admin at virtual.domain list-admin > list-request at virtual.domain list-request > list-owner at virtual.domain list-admin > > another.domain DOMAIN > thing at another.domain thing > thing-admin at another.domain thing-admin > thing-request at another.domain thing-request > thing-owner at another.domain thing-admin > > > /etc/postfix/aliases > > list: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper post list" > list-admin: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner list" > list-request: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd list" > list-owner: list-admin > > thing: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper post thing" > thing-admin: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner thing" > thing-request: "|/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd thing" > thing-owner: thing-admin > > > However since each "list" in a virtual domain points at a > local "user" and those > local users must be unique so too the list names must be > unique over ALL the > virtual domains: > > ie you cannot have > > mylist at virtual.domain and mylist at seconddomain. > > > Mmm... perhaps worth saying again, I'm looking at a book, > I *haven't* set it up > like this myself. > > > Matthew > > NB: The book refered to is "Postfix", by Richard Blum, Sams > Publishing. ISBN 0-672-32114-9 From dvg at zeus.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Jan 29 03:40:18 2002 From: dvg at zeus.jpl.nasa.gov (Dimitrios V. Gerasimatos) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:40:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to define hostname? Message-ID: <200201290240.SAA13567@zeus.jpl.nasa.gov> I have a host that is used for multiple functions. Several of the functions rely on a particular hostname. I am using apache, and I setup a virtual host to serve mailman only. I wish to have mail sent by mailman to use the virtual hostname (actually also an alias in DNS). I have changed the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME parameter in mm_cfg.py, but I am still getting mail from list-request at realhostname . This of course works, but it is unsightly and may confuse my users. How do I make mailman/sendmail rewrite the header to that e-mail appears to come from the more proper list-request at aliashostname? Dimitri -- Dimitrios Gerasimatos dimitrios.gerasimatos at jpl.nasa.gov Section 312 System Administration Jet Propulsion Laboratory 4800 Oak Grove Dr. Mail Stop 301-220M, Pasadena, CA 91109 Voice:818.354.4910 FAX:818.393.6388 Pager:1168373 at skytel.com From sirdraco at rushweb.net Tue Jan 29 06:41:55 2002 From: sirdraco at rushweb.net (Ken Hoffman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:41:55 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to convert. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128214005.00b1fd80@mail.rushweb.net> I currently use Mailman 2.0.6, for my mailing list. The site location is www.rushweb.net The site is currently down, and I am switching servers, and they do not offer Mailman. Since the gentleman who's name escapes me, is a Rush fan himself, I would like to continue to use Mailman. How would you tell a technical green person like myself to install Mailman on my new server? Thank you, Ken Hoffman From gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx Tue Jan 29 23:12:35 2002 From: gingle21 at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Sammons?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:12:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question.... Message-ID: <20020129221235.70207.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there!!! what about when a receive a message of The original message was received at Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:23:13 -0600 (CST) from nobody at localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- userone at mail.com (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) usertwo at mail.com (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.1.1 userone at mail.com... User unknown 550 5.1.1 usertwo at mail.com... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:23:13 -0600 (CST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; userone at mail.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 550 5.1.1 User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:23:14 -0600 (CST) In fact both users exist, i don?t know why send this message????? Thanks!!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Encuentra el coche de tus sue?os en Yahoo! Autos http://autos.yahoo.com.mx From ashley at pcraft.com Tue Jan 29 23:18:19 2002 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:18:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] another question.... References: <20020129221235.70207.qmail@web14910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C571FAB.116C491B@pcraft.com> Alex Sammons wrote: > In fact both users exist, i don?t know why send > this message????? Is 'mail.com' a fabricated domain that you put in your message, or are you actually trying to send mail to the domain, mail.com (aka Net2Phone, Inc.) ? If it was fabricated just for the purpose of this message, I'd say that server doesn't know those users exist. Without knowing what the server is, or what it's running (or where you're actually trying to send those messages), I can't help you find out what the problem is. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From john at nisus.com Wed Jan 30 02:16:42 2002 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:16:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No footer for HTML messages Message-ID: > Fri, 2002-01-25 19:03:53 -0500 David Pierron > I installed Mailman 2.0.8 and have noticed that it doesn't put the list > footer on messages in HTML format... > > I looked on SourceForge to see if the bug was posted and a possible > resolution, but didn't see anything in Bugs or Patches... > > Is this a known bug, or has no one noticed? (doubtful)... > How can I fix it? I ran afoul of a very closely related problem 5 years ago, when I volunteered to help add footings for Tallahassee freenet, noting that the page was "Served from blah blah freenet. This page was laste updated on 2002-01-29." Because of the nature of HTML it is a complex problem. HTML is very loose about requiring that pairs of tags being matched, i.e. you can get by without at the end, you can get by without to close out a table definition, and you can get by without a
to close out a list. And then there are parts of HTML that can be dynamic, and the several divergent pseudo- standards... So, let's say some bright person decides to send hir messages to your list as enriched text or as html, only their html may or may not be missing some of these closure tags. When mailman adds its footing it may be adding it in the middle of a table, or in the middle of a list or dictionary, or after the . The problem becomes writing a fairly complete HTML parser to add the footing just before the ... or to close out a by adding a missing
and close out a
    by adding a missing
and then adding the footing and then the BTW, there is a nice html checker at and there may be some useful tools there from which to build. >>> Marc Merlin wrote: >>> ...I was asleep at the wheel :-) (catching up on my >>> 2000+ list Email backlog right now) Over-worked, under-employed, under-paid; leading the bleeding edge. :B-) John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From ereiss at webwillow.com Thu Jan 31 05:34:49 2002 From: ereiss at webwillow.com (Ed Reiss) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:34:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question: How do I use server side includes in administrator interface option: "Edit General List Information Page" Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020130202405.021bf8a0@pop3.norton.antivirus> I unsuccessfully tried using server side includes to create custom headers and footers in a Mailman list information page using the Administrative "Edit General List Information Page" option. After doing this, the includes did show up in the source for the page, but they were never interpreted - they had no effect. The includes work on other dynamically generated pages at the web site in question. They are: and Any way around this problem? Thanks for your help. Ed From benny at bennyvision.com Thu Jan 31 05:46:19 2002 From: benny at bennyvision.com (C. Bensend) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:46:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question: How do I use server side includes in administrator interface option: "Edit General List Information Page" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020130202405.021bf8a0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Ed Reiss wrote: > After doing this, the includes did show up in the source for the page, but they > were never interpreted - they had no effect. The includes work on other > dynamically generated pages at the web site in question. They are: > > > and Hey Ed, Since you didn't specify, are you using Apache? Or what web server? If you're using Apache, you need to tell it to allow SSI. If you don't, they won't be interpreted. A quick-n-easy read: http://apachetoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-06-12-001-01-PS If you're not using Apache, sorry, dunno. Benny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again. --Rules of the Air, #8 From ereiss at webwillow.com Thu Jan 31 06:38:48 2002 From: ereiss at webwillow.com (Ed Reiss) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:38:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question: How do I use server side includes in administrator interface option: "Edit General List Information Page" In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020130202405.021bf8a0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020130211221.021c5970@pop3.norton.antivirus> Hey Benny, Yes - I'm using Apache, and SSI had been enabled. (See my note below about the includes working on other pages.) However, I just noticed that the Addhandlers in the configuration file are for .html and .htm extensions, while the address of the listinfo page has no extension. So, I went to the page you suggested and then added "XBitHack on" first to a .htaccess file, then to the configuration file. Neither worked. Regards, Ed Reiss At 10:46 PM 1/30/2002 -0600, C. Bensend wrote: >On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Ed Reiss wrote: > >> After doing this, the includes did show up in the source for the page, but they >> were never interpreted - they had no effect. The includes work on other >> dynamically generated pages at the web site in question. They are: >> >> >> and > >Hey Ed, > > Since you didn't specify, are you using Apache? >Or what web server? > > If you're using Apache, you need to tell it to >allow SSI. If you don't, they won't be interpreted. >A quick-n-easy read: > >http://apachetoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-06-12-001-01-PS > > If you're not using Apache, sorry, dunno. > >Benny > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' >landing is one after which they can use the plane again. > --Rules of the Air, #8 From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Jan 31 06:55:01 2002 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:55:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question: How do I use server side includes in administrator interface option: "Edit General List Information Page" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020130211221.021c5970@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: On 1/30/02 9:38 PM, "Ed Reiss" wrote: > Hey Benny, > > Yes - I'm using Apache, and SSI had been enabled. But SSI generally doesn't work in CGI programs, which the python files are. The two are basically mutually exclusive. What I did was use mod_layout (www.tangent.org) instead of SSI. Since it's an embedded module, it can act in front of things SSI can't. From e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl Thu Jan 31 09:32:22 2002 From: e.van.der.meulen at avondel.nl (Erik van der Meulen) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:32:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Issue with cron in new installation Message-ID: <20020131093222.B29806@avondel.nl> Dear Mailman people - I am new to this list, new to Mailman and not too much off a wizz in this respect, so I hope my question does not upset anyone. I have just installed Mailman 1.1 on my Debian/GNU box (2.2). The packaging system seems to handle that quite well. I have made a 'test' list and things seemed to work. Next I tried to figure out the frequency of resending the posts, and I found a script 'mailman' in /etc/cron.d which reads: 12,42 * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f \ /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue ] && /usr/bin/python \ /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue */5 * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f \ /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ] && /usr/bin/python \ /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news Next I have changed this first '12,42' into '/3' because I hoped to execute the queue every 3 min rather than every half hour. Since I have touched that script, I receive error mails to root every 3 minutes (quite sure I did not get them every half hour before) saying: Subject: Cron list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f +/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue ] && /usr/bin/python +/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: /bin/sh: list: command not found and also a mail that I made to the test list resulted in: From: test-admin at avondel.nl Subject: Mail sent to Test To: root X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Testlijst Your mail to 'Test' with the subject: Cron list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Implicit destination I have tried to find the reason in the doc's, but did not manage. Any suggestions or pointers are much appreciated! -- Erik van der Meulen From al at bbi.ch Thu Jan 31 10:36:13 2002 From: al at bbi.ch (Stefan Allemann) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:36:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit pending posts Message-ID: <3C59100D.E919214C@bbi.ch> On the wishlist of Mailman 2.1 we found the following: "Allow the moderator to edit posts being held for approval (make it evident, either through a header or other means that the message was edited by the moderator)." Will this feature be added to version 2.1? Is there a date for the release of it? Thank you for your help. Kind regards, Stefan -- Stefan Allemann Phone: +41 41 348 01 48 BBI Informationstechnologie AG Fax: +41 41 348 01 49 Kuonimatt E-Mail: al at bbi.ch Industriestrasse 13 WWW: http://www.bbi.ch CH-6010 Kriens PGP Public-Keys: http://www.bbi.ch/pgp/ From prettner at zid.tu-graz.ac.at Thu Jan 31 13:47:12 2002 From: prettner at zid.tu-graz.ac.at (Harald Prettner) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:47:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman List Archives and attachments ... Message-ID: <3C593CD0.BA8B93B0@zid.tu-graz.ac.at> dear folks, is there an easy way to download attachments of archived mails ? It would be nice for some people to have a link for downloading an attachement from a mail in a list archive ... thanks in advance, H. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dipl.-Ing. Harald Prettner | Fax: +43 316 873 7699 Graz University of Technology | Voice: +43 316 873 6393 Network Manager | http://www.zid.tu-graz.ac.at From sebold at lcms.org Thu Jan 31 13:57:04 2002 From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:57:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman List Archives and attachments ... In-Reply-To: <3C593CD0.BA8B93B0@zid.tu-graz.ac.at> (Harald Prettner's message of "Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:47:12 +0100") References: <3C593CD0.BA8B93B0@zid.tu-graz.ac.at> Message-ID: <87y9ie1xwf.fsf@sebold.lcms.org> On 18 Shevat 5762, Harald Prettner wrote: > is there an easy way to download attachments of archived mails ? > It would be nice for some people to have a link for downloading an > attachement from a mail in a list archive ... Alternative archiving systems (like MHonArc) offer this, as well as better handling of MIME across the board. -- Charles Sebold 18th of Shevat, 5762 LCMS - Office of Information Systems http://unix.ois.org/ *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily *** *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod *** From MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca Thu Jan 31 14:40:15 2002 From: MLAFLEUR at cegep-heritage.qc.ca (Lafleur Maurice) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:40:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weekly Digests Message-ID: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DA9@HERITAGE-SRV-1> I need to have digests from the same list to be produced on a daily basis and on a weekly basis. Is this possible? MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020131/09cf05a9/attachment.htm From cae at bklyn.org Thu Jan 31 15:23:32 2002 From: cae at bklyn.org (Caleb Epstein) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:23:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a list while being a memeber form another list In-Reply-To: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DAA@HERITAGE-SRV-1> References: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DAA@HERITAGE-SRV-1> Message-ID: <20020131142332.GA24142@tela.bklyn.org> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 08:44:36AM -0500, Lafleur Maurice wrote: > I have the following situation: List A is a generic, plain ML to > which members can post List B is an "announce" type list: only one > person can post, members read only. Members of B want to post to A > without being members of A, but *have to* be members of B. In other > words, they dont want the traffic from A but still need to post to > it. What set up should I use for this? Thank you. MGL Here is what I have done for a situation like this. I have written a Perl script (sorry, my Python skills are non-existent at this point) called "setup-posters". It takes a list of mailing list names, flat files or email addresses (or any combination thereof) and merges them all together into a list of unique email addresses. It then sets up the "posters" variable for a target list to be this list of addresses. I run it like this, from cron: setup-posters.pl --source server --source siteops --target announce this says to take the membership of the mailing lists "server" and "siteops" and give them all posting privileges to the "announce" list. I think in your case you'd use --source announce --target list-a The script is attached. Please let me know if you have any questions about how to use it or how it works. I'm pasting it below my sig in case this list strips MIME attachments like mine :) -- Caleb Epstein | bklyn . org | Politics is not the art of the possible. cae at | Brooklyn Dust | It consists in choosing between the disastrous bklyn dot org | Bunny Mfg. | and the unpalatable. | | -- John Kenneth Galbraith #!/usr/bin/perl -w # # Setup the "posters" configuration for a "target" list based on a set # of "sources", which can be Mailmn list names, flat files of email # addresses, or email addresses passed on the command line. # # $Id$ use strict; use POSIX qw(tmpnam); use Getopt::Long; use File::Basename; my $progname = basename $0; my @SOURCE; my $target; my $mailman = (getpwnam("mailman"))[5] || "/usr/local/mailman"; my $verbose = 0; sub usage { print < sub { usage; exit 0; }, "source=s@" => \@SOURCE, "target=s" => \$target, "verbose!" => \$verbose, "mailman=s" => \$mailman); if ($retval == 0) { usage; exit 1; } die "Could not find Mailman root directory.\n" unless -d $mailman and -d "$mailman/bin"; die "No sources specified.\n" unless scalar @SOURCE; die "No target specified.\n" unless defined $target; die "Target $target is not a valid Mailman list.\n" unless -d "$mailman/lists/$target"; my %MEMBERS; sub get_members { my $spec = shift; my %M; if (-f $spec) { print "Reading addresses from file $spec.\n" if $verbose; open (FILE, $spec) or warn "Couldn't open $spec: $!\n"; while () { chomp; next if /^\#/; $M{lc $_} = 1; } } elsif ($spec =~ m/^.+\@.+/) { $M{lc $spec} = 1; } elsif (-d "$mailman/lists/$spec") { print "Getting membership roster from Mailman list $spec.\n" if $verbose; open (MM, "$mailman/bin/list_members $spec|") or warn "Couldn't open pipe to $mailman/bin/list_members: $!\n"; while () { chomp; next unless /^.+\@.+/; $M{lc $_} = 1; } } else { warn "Don't know how to turn '$spec' into a list of addresses.\n"; } print "Found " . (scalar keys %M) . " addresses in $spec.\n" if $verbose and scalar keys %M; sort keys %M; } print "Processing source(s):\n" if $verbose; foreach my $source (@SOURCE) { my @M = get_members ($source); map { $MEMBERS{lc $_} = 1 } @M; } print "Found " . (scalar keys %MEMBERS) . " total unique addresses.\n" if $verbose; die "No subscribers found in @SOURCE\n" unless scalar keys %MEMBERS; my $tmpfile = tmpnam(); open (POSTERS, "> $tmpfile") or die "Couldn't open $tmpfile for writing: $!\n"; print POSTERS "posters = ['", join ("', '", sort keys %MEMBERS), "']\n"; close POSTERS; my $cmd = "$mailman/bin/config_list -i $tmpfile $target"; print "Running $cmd\n" if $verbose; $retval = system ("$mailman/bin/config_list -i $tmpfile $target"); unlink $tmpfile; my $status = $retval >> 8; if ($retval != 0 or $verbose) { my $signal = $retval & 127; my $cored = $retval & 128; warn "Mailman config_list command exited with status $status" . ($signal ? " from signal $signal" : "") . ($cored ? ", dumped core" : "") . "\n"; } exit $status; From vail at newts.org Thu Jan 31 15:43:21 2002 From: vail at newts.org (Johnathan Vail) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:43:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delays and Lag-Outs from AOL? Message-ID: This is an odd one to pin down but I thought I would fly it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes... I recently upgraded both my server (from Red Hat 6.2 to 7.2) and Mailman (to the latest 2.0.8). I am getting complaints from people using the admin and archives pages (mostly from AOL I think) that the pages are real slow and often time out. I have checked for stale locks and tried to replicate it. I actually was able to replicate the problem from AOL and while it was lagging I still had quick response locally and using lynx from a remote site. At the time AOL was lagging on the mailman pages it was able to get straight pages from the apache server. While it seems like an AOL problem it also seems to have been something that the recent upgraded is triggering. Any ideas? thanks, jv Newt Mailing Lists http://newts.org/mailinglist.html From peter.bengtson at noteheads.com Thu Jan 31 15:46:09 2002 From: peter.bengtson at noteheads.com (peter.bengtson at noteheads.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:46:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Reply to: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #17 Message-ID: This is an automated reply. Peter Bengtson, the founder of NoteHeads Musical Expert Systems AB and the designer of Igor Engraver, can no longer be reached on this e-mail address. You can contact him at: mailto:peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu Please resubmit your e-mail message to the above address. Further contact information, including telephone numbers and snail mail addresses, is available from Peter Bengtson's personal web site at: http://bengtson.musikelit.nu Thank you. From arcas at cantv.net Thu Jan 31 14:31:24 2002 From: arcas at cantv.net (Anne Strebe) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:31:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Message-ID: <002901c1aa6a$4f1c6200$49d5c4a1@computer> Good morning, since yesterday morning, we are having trouble with three mailing lists, installed on our server (Linux system) In the early hours (7.00 EST - 11.00 am EST) the tolefriends list server was down, but started to function again until around 4.00 pm EST, when all three servers went out of order the lists are: tolefriends at tolefriends.com cookbook at tolefriends.com tf-board at tolefriends.com When trying to access the list URL an error page with the following text appears: ********* tolefriends.com Mailing Lists No such list tolefriends_tolefriends.com There currently are no publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on tolefriends.com. To visit the info page for an unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with a '/' and the right list name appended. List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview page to find the management interface for your list. (Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at hydro.sourcedns.com.) *********** When checking our control panel last night, the former cpanel4 came up as cpanel3 (our main host is Liquid Web) and no mailing lists are registered. My experience is not enough to know if this could be the reason. My partner in the USA (I live in Venezuela), will be contacting this morning our host to find out, if this is part of the problem. Also, if these lists are lost, is there any way to access the message files and the members list? For two of the lists, the member's list is easy to re-construct, each has less than 10 members; the third list, tolefriends at tolefriends.com has over 600 members and, if we need to re-build this list, it would be very convenient to have access to the former information in order to re-install a list with all members and to set for each member the former delivery options. Thanks in advance for any help in this matter Anne Anne Strebe, SDP, FPDA Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela arcas at cantv.net http://tolefriends.com http://arcas.paintwebs.com http://paintwebs.com ****************************** Rom. 8:28 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery System" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post tolefriends_tolefriends.com > generated by Tolefriends at tolefriends.com > Child process of virtual_address_pipe transport returned 1 from command: > /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper > > The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: > > ------ pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post tolefriends_tolefriends.com > generated by Tolefriends at tolefriends.com ------ > > Mailman error: post got bad listname: tolefriends_tolefriends.com > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ > > Return-path: > Received: from rs4s1-b.datacenter.cha.cantv.net ([200.44.32.60] helo=rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net) > by hydro.sourcedns.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) > id 16WGpI-0004bS-00 > for Tolefriends at tolefriends.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:00:28 -0500 > Received: from computer (nas2-073.ras.poz.cantv.net [161.196.213.202]) > by rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.10.2/8.10.2/2.0) with SMTP id g0VD0P613410 > for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:00:26 -0400 > Message-ID: <001701c1aa57$46546fe0$cad5c4a1 at computer> > Reply-To: "Anne Strebe" > From: "Anne Strebe" > To: > Subject: > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:57:25 -0400 > Organization: Arcas del Arte > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > The server was down for a couple of hours, we are testing it right now > > > > > > Anne Strebe, SDP, FPDA > Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela > arcas at cantv.net > http://tolefriends.com > http://arcas.paintwebs.com > http://paintwebs.com > ****************************** > Rom. 8:28 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/2002 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/2002 From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Thu Jan 31 16:36:13 2002 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 31 Jan 2002 15:36:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delays and Lag-Outs from AOL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1012491374.5124.46.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 14:43, Johnathan Vail wrote: > I recently upgraded both my server (from Red Hat 6.2 to 7.2) and > Mailman (to the latest 2.0.8). I am getting complaints from people > using the admin and archives pages (mostly from AOL I think) that the > pages are real slow and often time out. If you are using public archives under pipermail, then they are directly available as static file/directorys to the web server, with no involvement of Mailman/python. In that case it either your web server or the link between you & AOL. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From peter.bengtson at noteheads.com Thu Jan 31 18:05:43 2002 From: peter.bengtson at noteheads.com (peter.bengtson at noteheads.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:05:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Reply to: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #17 Message-ID: This is an automated reply. Peter Bengtson, the founder of NoteHeads Musical Expert Systems AB and the designer of Igor Engraver, can no longer be reached on this e-mail address. You can contact him at: mailto:peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu Please resubmit your e-mail message to the above address. Further contact information, including telephone numbers and snail mail addresses, is available from Peter Bengtson's personal web site at: http://bengtson.musikelit.nu Thank you. From rbrandt at sbdsl.com Thu Jan 31 20:26:58 2002 From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:26:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden problems Message-ID: I've had Mailman 2.05 installed and running on my linux box for many months, but now all of the sudden it's having problems. When I try to get into list administration, or if a user tries to get into their options page, or if a new user tries to subscribe, it reports an error: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." This is the case for all lists. The main interface pages work; I can get to the list description pages, message archives and admin login pages, but no farther. The last time that I'm certain it worked was Monday, and I did some work last night (installing OpenSSH) that I suppose could be related. But where do I start in diagnosing the problem? I'm no linux expert.... Rob -- From vail at newts.org Thu Jan 31 21:21:59 2002 From: vail at newts.org (Johnathan Vail) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delays and Lag-Outs from AOL? In-Reply-To: <1012491374.5124.46.camel@gaspode.localnet> (message from Nigel Metheringham on 31 Jan 2002 15:36:13 +0000) References: <1012491374.5124.46.camel@gaspode.localnet> Message-ID: On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 14:43, Johnathan Vail wrote: > I recently upgraded both my server (from Red Hat 6.2 to 7.2) and > Mailman (to the latest 2.0.8). I am getting complaints from people > using the admin and archives pages (mostly from AOL I think) that the > pages are real slow and often time out. If you are using public archives under pipermail, then they are directly available as static file/directorys to the web server, with no involvement of Mailman/python. The particular list(s) are private lists and require the email/password to access. In that case it either your web server or the link between you & AOL. I stil believe this to be the most likely suspect but if it only started happening when the server/Mailman was upgraded there still could be an interaction with mailman and the AOL proxies. Thanks, jv From jonc at haht.com Thu Jan 31 22:00:11 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:00:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a list while being a memeber form another list References: <769332EE336BD511ADAF0002554C1EF6038DAA@HERITAGE-SRV-1> Message-ID: <018101c1aa9a$46020eb0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Posting to a list while being a memeber form another listPiece of Cake... Create a bogus user on List B and set them to "No Mail" Dump out the users from List A - ~mailman/bin/list_members Clone the dumped list into List B using the bogus user created earlier - ~mailman/bin/clone_member Set List B so that only members can post. Viola - your users in List A can now post to List B. They are technically members of B, but they don't get any mail sent to B. You can easily setup a script to automate the process on an on-going basis. If you do, may I suggest dumping the member lists of both lists into two tmp files and using "diff" to make your clone adds... === For a simple alternative, setup a user that can post to List B Send folks in List A the email address and let them setup their Email client to use that as one of their "personalities". I use several email clients and all of them allow folks to change (on the fly) who the email is from. Good Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Lafleur Maurice To: Mailman-Users at python.org Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:44 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting to a list while being a memeber form another list I have the following situation: List A is a generic, plain ML to which members can post List B is an "announce" type list: only one person can post, members read only. Members of B want to post to A without being members of A, but *have to* be members of B. In other words, they dont want the traffic from A but still need to post to it. What set up should I use for this? Thank you. MGL -- Maurice G. Lafleur +------------------------------------------------+ Teacher + Voice: +1(819).778.2270 X1412 + Heritage College + Fax: +1(819).776.7364 + 325 Cite des Jeunes + mailto: mlafleur at cegep-heritage.qc.ca + Hull. Qc. +------------------------------------------------+ Canada J8Y 6T3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020131/1ab5793d/attachment.html From jonc at haht.com Thu Jan 31 22:04:32 2002 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:04:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit pending posts References: <3C59100D.E919214C@bbi.ch> Message-ID: <018f01c1aa9a$e13d48e0$0b04010a@JCARNES> You *can* edit held messages. The FAQ goes over it in detail, but in general, you edit the file in ~mailman/data/.. There is also a hack in Mailman that allows folks to edit the actual message in the Web approval form (and it copies the modified message to the ~mailman/data/.. directory). For information on that hack, you will have to delve deep into the archives. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Allemann" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:36 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit pending posts > On the wishlist of Mailman 2.1 we found the following: > > "Allow the moderator to edit posts being held for approval (make it > evident, either through a header or other means that the message was > edited by the moderator)." > > Will this feature be added to version 2.1? Is there a date for the > release of it? > > Thank you for your help. > > Kind regards, > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Allemann Phone: +41 41 348 01 48 > BBI Informationstechnologie AG Fax: +41 41 348 01 49 > Kuonimatt E-Mail: al at bbi.ch > Industriestrasse 13 WWW: http://www.bbi.ch > CH-6010 Kriens > > PGP Public-Keys: http://www.bbi.ch/pgp/ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ben at jibmedia.com Tue Jan 29 22:25:56 2002 From: ben at jibmedia.com (Ben Kempner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:25:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing mailman Message-ID: <000f01c1a90b$8c7e33e0$88dafea9@awesome> How do you customize the colors, appearance, etc of mailman? Thanks, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020129/eb32556b/attachment.htm From Tacs01 at aol.com Tue Jan 29 22:44:32 2002 From: Tacs01 at aol.com (Tacs01 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:44:32 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookies Message-ID: <46.219ecc75.298871c0@aol.com> Can you tell me why I get the message "error decoding authorization cookie" when I try to access private archives. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020129/c2a7dc4c/attachment.html From cnakagaw at EDFUND.ORG Wed Jan 30 00:46:48 2002 From: cnakagaw at EDFUND.ORG (Cynthia Nakagawa) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:46:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question Message-ID: We are using the mailman product. I think it is 2.0.8 version or something like that. Is there any way to disable the password per list. We do not like to use a password for all the lists. Is there any way to set one default password for all users. If not do you have to manually have the user go to the website and change it for all lists? Thanks Cynthia Cynthia Nakagawa Network Operations Support (916) 526-8262 From ktims at uniserve.com Wed Jan 30 01:37:19 2002 From: ktims at uniserve.com (Keenan Tims) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:37:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies? Message-ID: <00be01c1a926$46e13420$9208ff0a@office.uniserve.ca> Just installed MM at my site, all the list functions seem fine, but I'm having trouble with the cookie authentication on the admin portion of the web interface. I can log in with out a problem, but as soon as I click on any links, or click submit, it says the cookie verification failed. Seems to work fine with links, but IE6 (at least) has problems. TIA -- Keenan Tims ktims at uniserve.com UNIServe Online Technical Support Toll Free: 1-877-864-7378x329 Lower Mainland: 604-856-6281x329 ~~ UNIServe Online Disclaimer: "The sender intends this message for a specific recipient and, as it may contain information that is privileged or confidential, any use, dissemination, forwarding, or copying by anyone without permission from the sender is prohibited. Personal e-mail may contain views that are not necessarily those of the company". From ahern at icehouse.net Wed Jan 30 04:59:15 2002 From: ahern at icehouse.net (Amy Hern) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:59:15 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Windows 2000 Server Message-ID: <023801c1a942$7c5119b0$6501a8c0@amy> My server runs on Windows 2000 Server. Is the Mailman program compatible with this server software? Are there any documentations for me to refer to to help me with the installation and running process? Thank you. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020130/4dcabd19/attachment.htm From delilah at seyyav.pair.com Wed Jan 30 21:49:18 2002 From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (sean pambianco) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:49:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] aol users Message-ID: Are there any known issues regarding aol subscribers to mailman lists? Sean From john at wexfordpress.com Wed Jan 30 23:16:44 2002 From: john at wexfordpress.com (john at wexfordpress.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:16:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial problems. Message-ID: <02013017164401.25150@john> I am installing exim and mailman on my home system. I followed all the instructions in the INSTALL and README.EXIM files. I tried to build a test user. I got the following messages in the various logs: post: Jan 30 17:11:01 2002 (25210) post to test2 from mailman-owner at localhost, size=1288, 1 failures smtp: Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused')Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds smtp-failure Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) -1 john at wexfordpress.com (ignore) Jan 30 17:12:01 2002 (25215) -1 publish at wexfordpress.com (ignore) I gave publish at wexfordpress.com as the administrator address for test2. Any suggestions? thanks. John Culleton From gtaylor at wivnet.com Wed Jan 30 18:17:45 2002 From: gtaylor at wivnet.com (gtaylor at wivnet.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:17:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot the password Message-ID: I have created a mailing list and now I have forgotten the password. How can I reset the password? Thanks a ton for any info you can give. Sincerely, Gordon Taylor Senior Network Administrator Walden Internet Villages http://www.waldenweb.com gtaylor at wivnet.com From ferdinand.mangio at webphilippines.com Wed Jan 30 08:42:12 2002 From: ferdinand.mangio at webphilippines.com (Ferdinand E. Mangio) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:42:12 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to properly backup mailman Message-ID: <000101c1aa00$e2f232d0$0c00a8c0@gent> Hi, Thanks for creating such an outstanding product. My question is how to properly backup mailman on linux 6.2 using tar. Thanks and more power, Ferdinand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020130/fabe94ba/attachment.html From mailtophil at juno.com Thu Jan 31 04:21:42 2002 From: mailtophil at juno.com (mailtophil at juno.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:21:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman compatible with reader? Message-ID: <20020130.222143.-399383.0.mailtophil@juno.com> Is there Reader software that works with Mailman digests? From al at bbi.ch Thu Jan 31 10:28:25 2002 From: al at bbi.ch (Stefan Allemann) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:28:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Edit pending posts Message-ID: <3C590E39.3096D34A@bbi.ch> On the wishlist of Mailman 2.1 we found the following: "Allow the moderator to edit posts being held for approval (make it evident, either through a header or other means that the message was edited by the moderator)." Will this feature be added to version 2.1? Is there a date for the release of it? Thank you for your help. Kind regards, Stefan -- Stefan Allemann Phone: +41 41 348 01 48 BBI Informationstechnologie AG Fax: +41 41 348 01 49 Kuonimatt E-Mail: al at bbi.ch Industriestrasse 13 WWW: http://www.bbi.ch CH-6010 Kriens PGP Public-Keys: http://www.bbi.ch/pgp/ From zaengerl at informatik.tu-muenchen.de Thu Jan 31 13:56:12 2002 From: zaengerl at informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Goeran Moritz Zaengerlein) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:56:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with new Mailman installation Message-ID: Hi List, sorry to bother you, but I tried hard but cannot find out whats wrong with my config... I followed the steps of the Installation Instructions exactly (at least I tried to do so) but did not get any message after creating the test list... here is what I found in the logs dir of Mailman: in post: post to test from mailman-owner at servername.de size=1346, 1 failures in smtp: All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection refused') smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.003 seconds and in smtp-failure: -1 zaengerl at in.tum.de (ignore) Please help! I can't figure out what this means... I want to use sendmail with Mailman. Do I have to change anything in the mm_cfg.py??? Maybe here is the error, but I don't know... thanks a lot Goeran From Christian at malibu-2002.de Wed Jan 2 13:06:25 2002 From: Christian at malibu-2002.de (Fuss, Christian) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:06:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMTP Problem Message-ID: <000e01c19385$e71f82e0$abcc14ac@euh17e107> Hi, i do have a really urgent Problem with my Mailman. Actually everythings working fine except of sending the mails to the list-members. I get following failure in the smtp-failures log: Oct 12 19:49:11 2002 (2292) delivery to Christian at malibu-2002.de failed with code 553: 5.3.0 ... No such user here what might be a problem is, that i have activated smtp auth for preventing relaying. can anybody help me? thx Christ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20020102/e26a595b/attachment.htm