From hostmaster at shults.org  Sat Jun  1 00:08:06 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (steven)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:08:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove email address from Mailman-Footer?
In-Reply-To: <11410.216.160.165.242.1022882268.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>
Message-ID: <000301c208ef$a7a46510$0432e7d8@artemis>

thanks, but, that field (as labelled) only effects "Footer added to mail
sent to regular list members" it does not effect the text displayed on
the webpage.

I'm trying to find out how to edit the text which is created by the use
of <MM-Mailman-Footer>

I.E., where do I edit/define <MM-Mailman-Footer> ?

Thanks,
~Steven

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of LuKreme
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:58 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] remove email address from Mailman-Footer?
> 
> 
> 
> <quote who="hostmaster">
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've searched high and low and have either missed the answer to this
> > during my search or it's very well hidden.
> >
> > How to I remove, hide or munge the list-owner's address from the
> > Mailman-Footer to protect it from being scooped up by spambots?
> 
> Not really.  It's the footer field on the Regular Members 
> settings page
> for the list admin.  (and the digest one as well).
> 
> -- 
> You are responsible for your rose.
> "Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Sat Jun  1 00:16:14 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove email address from Mailman-Footer?
In-Reply-To: <000301c208ef$a7a46510$0432e7d8@artemis>
References: <11410.216.160.165.242.1022882268.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020531151517.00a15cb0@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 03:08 PM 5/31/02, steven wrote:
>I'm trying to find out how to edit the text which is created by the use
>of <MM-Mailman-Footer>
>
>I.E., where do I edit/define <MM-Mailman-Footer> ?

You will have to modify the function HTMLFormatter.GetMailmanFooter()

- Bob





From hostmaster at shults.org  Sat Jun  1 00:20:51 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (steven)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:20:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove email address from Mailman-Footer?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020531151517.00a15cb0@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <000401c208f1$6f0feb50$0432e7d8@artemis>

thanks bob.

will that only effect new lists created hence forth or existing lists as
well?

also, do you know the path and file name of the file which contains that
funtion?

~thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Weissman [mailto:rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net] 
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:16 PM
> To: steven
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] remove email address from Mailman-Footer?
> 
> 
> At 03:08 PM 5/31/02, steven wrote:
> >I'm trying to find out how to edit the text which is created 
> by the use
> >of <MM-Mailman-Footer>
> >
> >I.E., where do I edit/define <MM-Mailman-Footer> ?
> 
> You will have to modify the function HTMLFormatter.GetMailmanFooter()
> 
> - Bob
> 





From devin2 at theinternet.info  Sat Jun  1 01:00:09 2002
From: devin2 at theinternet.info (Devin)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:00:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman v2.0.10 question
Message-ID: <3CF80079.2080707@theinternet.info>

I posted to the list before I was subscribed but apparently my message 
was never approved...

I'm using mailman version 2.0.10. When I try to change the case of my 
list name, the first option on the General Options page, I get denied. 
Example:

Change:
Sprinkler-newsletter to Sprinkler-Newsletter
Response:
real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by 
case only.

Is this a bug?

Also, is there any way that I can edit the templates used when sending 
confirmation and welcome emails? I don't want my welcome emails to 
include instructions on how to post to the list because posting is 
restricted to the admin.

Thanks!

-- 
devin
devin2 at theinternet.info






From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun  1 02:06:27 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:06:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosting puzzle
Message-ID: <20020601020627.B11492@amor.yuckfou.org>

Hi all,

I've been looking through the archive and read the two FAQ's (one on list.org,
the other one on python.org amd I have a question:

I'm trying to setup a virtual hosting mailman site, but im running into the
following issue:

1) VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is on, and im running mailman from the ports tree,
version 2.0.10
2) The FAQ says i need to create a unique listname on the 'default' host,
which I do using the newlist command. Lets say the name is
'foobar-vhostdotcom'. Next, I change the weburl and mail domain to
vhostdotcom. This will make the list show up in the listinfo of the mailman
interface on vhostdotcom. Yay!
3) When I try to change the name to 'foobar' (since I no longer need the
vhostdotcom in its name) the interface denies me. This means the list is still
only accessible using 'http://vhostdotcom/mailman/listinfo/foobar-vhostdotcom
.. which seems a bit redundant ;)
4) Also, when I am at the vhostdotcom listinfo page, and click to the 'list
admin overview' page, I will see all lists, both on vhostdotcom and the
default host. Why ? I really dont need all people on vhostdotcom to know the
existance of all lists ;-)

Could someone please give me a hint ? I'm sure I did something wrong, being
new to mailman and all ;)

Gr,

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4465WU/6.100yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From stevenslists at trails.net  Sat Jun  1 02:43:58 2002
From: stevenslists at trails.net (Steven Schermerhorn)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:43:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <13683.209.42.69.83.1022892238.squirrel@www.readinks.info>

I am currently running Redhat 7.2 and mailman2.0.8 was working perfectly
for me. Then out of the blue I get these errors that I am not sure of. I
have double and triple checked the configuration. Please help me if you can.

I have the symbolic link setup here:

/etc/smrsh

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           19 Mar 19 17:06 slocal -
>/usr/lib/nmh/slocal
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           26 May 31 11:34 wrapper -
>/home/mailman/mail/wrapper



The link is correct ... but I am still getting the following messages:


"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" (reason: service unavailable)
 (expanded from: <test at readinks.info <../src/compose.php?
send_to=test at readinks.info>>)
 ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

My sendmail configuration has this line in it as well:


FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh')dnl


I have restarted several times.






From kremels at kreme.com  Sat Jun  1 06:33:25 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:33:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch
Message-ID: <B6CDAFDC-7518-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

% bin/arch mylist mylist.mbox
figuring article archives
2002-June
figuring article archives
1999-February
figuring article archives
1999-February
figuring article archives
1999-March
.
.
.

*** malloc[3189]: error: Can't allocate region
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/arch", line 129, in ?
     main()
   File "bin/arch", line 118, in main
     archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 526, in 
processUnixMailbox
     a = articleClass(m, self.sequence)
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 202, in __init__
     self.__super_init(message, sequence, keepHeaders)
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 223, in __init__
     self.body = message.fp.readlines()
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 69, in readlines
     line = self.readline()
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 62, in readline
     data = self.fp.readline(length)
MemoryError


Is the archive mbox funcky?  (It's a mail.app mailbox)

I opened it with mutt and had no errors or troubles.

--
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)





From kremels at kreme.com  Sat Jun  1 07:01:56 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:01:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch
In-Reply-To: <B6CDAFDC-7518-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <B2478EF7-751C-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Friday, May 31, 2002, at 10:33 PM, LuKreme wrote:
> % bin/arch mylist mylist.mbox

while tracking down this error I made this change to bin/arch that I think 
is actaully pretty useful:

         res = self.dateToVolName(string.atof(article.date))
         self.message("figuring article archives\n")
         self.message(article.subject +"\n")   # New Code line here
         self.message(res + "\n")

--
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Jun  1 07:22:37 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 01:22:37 -0400
Subject: HowTo: [Mailman-Users] Cleaning the archive by a list-owner
In-Reply-To: <009701c206a0$3e1cbd00$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
References: <006a01c1f99b$8286bd40$1e00a8c0@poema.yi.org> <200205121801.OAA04685@salsa.haht.com> <009701c206a0$3e1cbd00$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <007740918050162FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>

Did you ever get a solution figured out for you?

The simplest of solutions is to stop cron, or at least to comment out 
qrunner in the cron for the user mailman (if you are running 2.0.x version 
- as I am... otherwise simply turn off the mailman deamon...).  Then go in 
and edit your Archive Mbox files.

Even if it takes you half a day to edit the darn things, you won't be 
getting any new messages added to the Mboxes since Mailman is not running.

Once you've got the Mboxes pared down to a managable level, delete the old 
HTML archive files and regenerate them with the ~mailman/bin/arch command 
as detailed below.

If you need more help, let me know and I'll try to generalize one of my 
scripts for your use (also let me know what version of MM you are using!)

Take care and good luck,

Jon Carnes

On Tuesday 28 May 2002 07:34 pm, Danny Terweij wrote:
> Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> Wrote a while ago:
>
> Hi, Jon, all readers...
>
> I did work something out, but it is for me very difficult to create.
> I deleted my created scripts because it looks ugly and it wont do what i
> want.
>
> When editing the mbox, and there is a new message processed .. it screws
> up all the stuff.
> I'll think it is better to use MySQL for storing messages.
> Then it is easy to create a protected webpage in PHP to read the messages
> and delete/edit them. And after all doing a new bin/arch listname to read
> the messages from the sql database and generate the html output....
>
> I am now not seeing any clue to create a webpage/script for
> deleting/editing messages.
> (Because i do not know where to start).
>
> My mbox files are over 300mb in size. It is not easy to read the file in
> and proccess some stuff in the file .. my linux box is not fast enough
> and it has 96mb memory and 172mb swap size.
>
> So i need another concept.
>
> I am not a good programmer, so please give me more example code to play
> with.
>
> > Straight Mailman (unmodified) won't let you do this.
> >
> > I have some simple scripts that are password protected that do it for
> > my admins.  They were a piece of cake to write.  Your sysadmin would
> > have to install them for you.
> >
> > For the sysadmin to modify the archives...
> >  - edit ~mailman/archives/private/<listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox
> >  - delete/modify any emails you want (normally delete older mail)
> >  - delete the old archive html files...
> >      rm -rf ~mailman/archives/private/<listname>/.*
> >  - recreate the archive html files...
> >      cd ~mailman
> >      bin/arch <listname>   \
> >        archives/private/<listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox
> >
> > The email for the list is stored in mbox format (straight text) in a
> > file in the archive directory.  You can easily edit this mailbox and
> > then re-run the archives so that your changes are pushed out to the
> > HTML area.
> >
> > If you want to find the top of an email based on date:
> >    F_DATE="12 May 2002"
> >    grep -n "^From: " | grep $F_DATE | top -1
> >
> > This gives you first line of an email that came in on that date - and
> > it prints out the line number in the file for that line...
> >
> > To print out a file starting at a given line and continueing on to
> > the end:     F_NAME="~mailman/archive/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
> >     START=4093
> >     sed -n "$START, \$ p" $F_NAME > $F_NAME.bak
> >
> > ===
> > There are several ways to automate this, the easiest is via email,
> > but html is not too much harder - especially if you are willing to
> > allow simple CGI's. I leave this up to your imagination!  Take care,
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >  --- Original Message: Sunday 12 May 2002 05:58 am ---
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> How can a list-owner clean out the archive? Delete messages?
> >> When not, can the developers program it?
> >> It would be nice.
> >>
> >>
> >> Groetjes Danny Terweij




From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Sat Jun  1 15:37:33 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 01 Jun 2002 06:37:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber email
	address
In-Reply-To: <000c01c208ec$5634cc40$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>
References: <001d01c20850$beedda20$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>
	<3CF71EC0.DF53FB10@folkwang-hochschule.de> 
	<000c01c208ec$5634cc40$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>
Message-ID: <1022938655.16767.63.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 14:44, William Waggoner wrote:
> I hate to disagree but ...
> 
> RFC-0822 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html) allows the local-part to
> contain single quotes.

William,
The current rfc is 2822. After reading it, does your assertion that
Mailman is broken still stand?

RFC 2822
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html

> It also specifically allows, as a specified syntax, quoted strings as the
> local part.
> 
> The characters that are not allowed outside of quoted strings are:
> 
> specials    =  "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@"  ; Must be in quoted-
>                  /  "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <">  ;  string, to use
>                  /  "." / "[" / "]"              ;  within a word.
> 
> SPACE, and CTL characters.
> 
> Note that the period is used as a word separator, it IS allowed but is
> considered a separator, not part of the word.
> 
> It is Mailman that is broken.

-- 
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From csf at incose.propagation.net  Sat Jun  1 16:06:41 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:06:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber emailaddress
References: <001d01c20850$beedda20$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra><3CF71EC0.DF53FB10@folkwang-hochschule.de> <000c01c208ec$5634cc40$0401a8c0@greybeard.org> <1022938655.16767.63.camel@galileo.carola.lan>
Message-ID: <017b01c20975$8e42eed0$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

Looking at rfc 2822, it appears a single quote (ASCII value 39) is allowed
in the local part of the address.
Section 3.4.1. "Addr-spec specification" indicates the local-part of the
address is domain dependent.

  "The local-part portion is a domain dependent string.  In addresses,
   it is simply interpreted on the particular host as a name of a
   particular mailbox."
where : addr-spec  =  local-part "@" domain

-Cassandra.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Noyes" <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber
emailaddress


> On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 14:44, William Waggoner wrote:
> > I hate to disagree but ...
> >
> > RFC-0822 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html) allows the local-part to
> > contain single quotes.
>
> William,
> The current rfc is 2822. After reading it, does your assertion that
> Mailman is broken still stand?
>
> RFC 2822
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html
>
> > It also specifically allows, as a specified syntax, quoted strings as
the
> > local part.
> >
> > The characters that are not allowed outside of quoted strings are:
> >
> > specials    =  "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@"  ; Must be in quoted-
> >                  /  "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <">  ;  string, to use
> >                  /  "." / "[" / "]"              ;  within a word.
> >
> > SPACE, and CTL characters.
> >
> > Note that the period is used as a word separator, it IS allowed but is
> > considered a separator, not part of the word.
> >
> > It is Mailman that is broken.
>
> --
> Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
> http://leaf-project.org/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Sat Jun  1 16:24:34 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 01 Jun 2002 07:24:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to handle single quote in subscriber
	emailaddress
In-Reply-To: <017b01c20975$8e42eed0$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>
References: 
	<001d01c20850$beedda20$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra><3CF71EC0.DF53FB10@folkwang-hoch
	 schule.de> <000c01c208ec$5634cc40$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>
	<1022938655.16767.63.camel@galileo.carola.lan> 
	<017b01c20975$8e42eed0$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>
Message-ID: <1022941475.16769.69.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Sat, 2002-06-01 at 07:06, Cassandra Fleetwood wrote:
> Looking at rfc 2822, it appears a single quote (ASCII value 39) is allowed
> in the local part of the address.
> Section 3.4.1. "Addr-spec specification" indicates the local-part of the
> address is domain dependent.
> 
>   "The local-part portion is a domain dependent string.  In addresses,
>    it is simply interpreted on the particular host as a name of a
>    particular mailbox."
> where : addr-spec  =  local-part "@" domain

Cassandra,
Do you know if this problem was addressed in CVS [1]? If not, has anyone
submitted a bug report [2]?

[1] http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-checkins%40python.org/
[2] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=103&atid=100103

-- 
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http://leaf-project.org/





From creighton at macdonnell.ca  Sat Jun  1 17:48:01 2002
From: creighton at macdonnell.ca (Creighton MacDonnell)
Date: Sat,  1 Jun 2002 09:48:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Mail Agents Generate "Suspicious Headers"?
Message-ID: <1022946481.3cf8ecb16c657@macdonnell.ca>

I have a project at SourceForge where Mailman is used for its mailing 
list.

It seems that posts to the list from SquirrelMail or IMP get blocked. 
Mailman at SourceForge says they have "suspicious headers".

I cannot see any way to get mailman to tell me what the suspicious 
header is, or how to say that is is OK.

Any ideas?

Thanks.


Creighton MacDonnell
http://macdonnell.ca/




From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Sat Jun  1 18:08:57 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 01 Jun 2002 09:08:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Mail Agents Generate "Suspicious Headers"?
In-Reply-To: <1022946481.3cf8ecb16c657@macdonnell.ca>
References: <1022946481.3cf8ecb16c657@macdonnell.ca>
Message-ID: <1022947738.16765.77.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Sat, 2002-06-01 at 08:48, Creighton MacDonnell wrote:
> I have a project at SourceForge where Mailman is used for its mailing 
> list.
> 
> It seems that posts to the list from SquirrelMail or IMP get blocked. 
> Mailman at SourceForge says they have "suspicious headers".
> 
> I cannot see any way to get mailman to tell me what the suspicious 
> header is, or how to say that is is OK.

Creighton,
Did you look at the Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting filters ->
Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp. ?

A post that matches a regexp in that box will generate a message like
this.

-- 
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info  Sat Jun  1 18:31:31 2002
From: lrosa at mail.hypertrek.info (Luigi Rosa)
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:31:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hostname instead of of FQDN
Message-ID: <5.1.1.2.2.20020601182906.01fe7220@mail.venus.it>

Hi,
I just reinstalled mailman 2.1b2 on a fresh RedHat 7.3 with Postfix.

Even if the configure script detyects the FQDN of the machine and writes it 
to Default.py, the headers of the list messagaes and the HTML pages contain 
just the hostname of the mailman server, so every URL is broken.

Any suggestion?


Thanks.


Ciao,
luigi





From rbs at snippets.org  Sat Jun  1 19:09:39 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:09:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011209300.22488-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>


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From rbs at snippets.org  Sat Jun  1 19:14:17 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:14:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-web interface
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011213140.22488-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>

I have a few users without web access. I know there's some sort of email
interface to Mailman, but I haven't been able to locate any documentation
on it. Help anyone?

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   Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
   DIY Loudspeaker Driver Selection Guide (LDSG):
http://www.snippets.org/





From rbs at snippets.org  Sat Jun  1 19:17:51 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:17:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Inaccessible archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011214590.22488-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>

According to the administration docs, if the list is in use and "Options
FollowSymLinks" is enabled, then users should be able to get to the
archives. Yet, everyone who tries gets the message, "You don't have
permission to access /pipermail/diyspeakers/ on this server." I checked
the file permissions, and they appeared to be OK. Any ideas?

-------------------------------------------------------------
MicroFirm: Down to the C in chips...
   Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
   DIY Loudspeaker Driver Selection Guide (LDSG):
http://www.snippets.org/





From rbs at snippets.org  Sat Jun  1 19:20:11 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:20:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011219420.22634-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>

Has anyone done any work on searchable archive, preferably with a web
interface?

-------------------------------------------------------------
MicroFirm: Down to the C in chips...
   Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
   DIY Loudspeaker Driver Selection Guide (LDSG):
http://www.snippets.org/





From jon at csh.rit.edu  Sat Jun  1 21:35:44 2002
From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:35:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011219420.22634-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011219420.22634-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>
Message-ID: <20020601193544.GA27413@csh.rit.edu>

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:20:11PM -0500, Bob Stout wrote:

> Has anyone done any work on searchable archive, preferably with a web
> interface?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp
 
-- 
Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu)  .  Information Technology (2001)
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/  :  Computer Science House Member




From WayneR at strosniders.com  Sat Jun  1 21:38:10 2002
From: WayneR at strosniders.com (Wayne Ringling)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:38:10 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup MM2.1b2 ...outgoing goes to shunt dir.
Message-ID: <951703DE931CD511A80600A0C9825BAA09BEC5@BETH-EMAIL>

 I am trying to install Mailman-2.1b2 on a Gentoo Linux box that is running
Apache and Qmail and dcron and a few other things but they are the ones
needed for Mailman.

 The web part is working perfect.  I have it set to SMTPDirect and I created
the mailman list as per the instructions.  When I add someone to the list it
saves the email msg in the shunt dir under qfiles.  Once I get this part
working then I will start on the qmail part.  Any ideas why it's going to
shunt instead of out (I presume it should be going into the out dir).  All
seven qrunner deamons are running in ps -aux.  I do see in
/var/qmail/log/error something about SMTP Server Disconnected,  but when I
telnet from the box running mailman to the smtp server it should be
delivering to I can send mail to the person subscribed.

Thanks.

Wayne

 




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Jun  1 23:38:40 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:38:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bob Stout <rbs@snippets.org> 
   of "Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:20:11 CDT." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011219420.22634-100000@snippets.brokersys.com> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011219420.22634-100000@snippets.brokersys.com> 
Message-ID: <26899.1022967520@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:20:11 -0500 (CDT) 
Bob Stout <rbs at snippets.org> wrote:

> Has anyone done any work on searchable archive, preferably with a web
> interface?

Yes.  Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Example: 

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From stefaans at pop.co.za  Sat Jun  1 23:53:21 2002
From: stefaans at pop.co.za (Stefaans Mostert)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:53:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list
Message-ID: <200206012353.21808.stefaans@pop.co.za>

Hallo all
I have setup a moderated list.
If I send there from a subscribed email adres I gat the outo response from 
mailman and the notice that my post is being held for approval.

In the listmanagers email account I get the usual mail that tells me that 
there is a mail waiting my approval.
When I click on the link it takes me to the correct page but then it says the 
following
There are no pending requests

Where did it go???
I cannot post to the list now as I cannot approve anything and the user 
posting gets a messsage saying that I will look at his post but I cannot and 
now they think I am ignoring them !!!!!!!

Tnx

Stefaans




From hostmaster at shults.org  Sun Jun  2 02:23:25 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (steven)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:23:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Host name this list prefers"
Message-ID: <000801c209cb$b8f06ad0$0432e7d8@artemis>

Hi,

How do I get the field labelled "Host name this list prefers" on the
admin page "mailing list administration
General Options Section" to correctly handle a sub-domain (aka three
part machine name, e.g. foo.domain.com) so that mail sent from
adminstrative aliases comes from  
listname-admin at foo.domain.dom  instead of listname-admin at domain.dom ?

right now, if I use a subdomain/3 part machine name for an existing
virtual host (which is listed in all the appropriate files to give the
virtual host full permissions in sendmail.cf) it defaults to the domain
of the server's real domain.

i.e. if I enter 'foo.virtdoman.dom' in the "host name this list prefers"
the emails incorrectly come 'From:' 
listname-admin at realdomain.dom.  

Yet if I use only 'virtdomain.dom' in the "host name this list prefers"
then the emails do come from 'listname-admin at virtdomain.dom' as I would
expect.

Is there a config I've missed to allow the from address to use a
sub-domain/3 part machine name in the "From:" field?   Is it a bug?  Is
it a feature?  

Is there a particular item in a .py file I could edit to allow this?  

tia,
~steven





From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 03:35:38 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:35:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
Message-ID: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com>

Hi, folks

I think I have found a bug in bin/arch, but I imagine someone has found it
before. Also, I have run into an architectural limit and would like to
change a constant to fix it, if possible.

*** Part One: Architectural Limit

I am trying to import large numbers of messages (several hundred, to as many
as 900 for one of my lists) into Mailman from mbox files. I can only do about
80 at a time with the "arch" program. I have written an awk script which breaks
my large mbox files into 80-message chunks, then I use a "for" loop from the
bash shell to process all of these.

So far the best result has come from starting with the earliest chunk, then
using "cat" to append the next chunk to that and re-running "arch", and so on
until all the chunks are added. The command sequence I'm using is:

for a in <mylist>-split-*.mbox; do
     cat $a >> archives/private/<mylist>.mbox/<mylist>.mbox
     bin/arch <mylist>
     cron/nightly_gzip <mylist>
done

This works, though it is cumbersome and slow.

I'm not a Python guru but do know C. I'm running on a machine with *lots* of
RAM. Can someone point me to which module I need to edit so that I can increase
the constant for an array size somewhere such that this thing will handle more
than 80 messages? I figure if I know where to look I can puzzle out the code
enough to make a simple change like that. But it will take days to find it in
code of an unfamiliar language with many modules.

The FAQ, by the way, does not (and should) address this problem. It only
instructs one to replace the archives/private/<mylist>.mbox/<mylist>.mbox
file, then run bin/arch. That only works for small numbers of messages.

I'll make this proposal: Someone point me in the right direction to solve
this thing. When I've got it working, I'll write an entry to submit for the
FAQ to document this for the next person, as a way of contributing to the
Mailman user community.

*** Part Two: Possible Bug

Sometimes bin/arch reaches a certain point and just....stops. No errors, but
no further messages are added. The "raw text" version of the archives grows
in size, though, as the same messages get added again and again after this
sticking point (before that, everything is well).

I did some investigation and have found that the problem occurs when a normal
text line in the body of a message happens to begin with the string "From ".
It appears bin/arch is not being very smart about recognizing the beginning
of a new message. I think what is needed is to add a more detailed parsing
regexp to the code that determines where one message ends and another begins.

I've worked around this on my own system by using some manual greps to find
the problem strings, then fixing them by using vi to insert a blank ahead of
the word "From" on these lines. It's cumbersome, but so far my success rate
is 100%.

Anyone have a better idea? As with the other problem, I'm willing to document
this for the FAQ if in fact it is a FAQ (pun intended).

Kind regards,

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From danny at terweij.nl  Sun Jun  2 04:28:28 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 04:28:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Host name this list prefers"
References: <000801c209cb$b8f06ad0$0432e7d8@artemis>
Message-ID: <006f01c209dd$2ec6d440$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

steven <hostmaster at shults.org> heeft geschreven:

> Hi,
> 
> How do I get the field labelled "Host name this list prefers" on the
> admin page "mailing list administration
> General Options Section" to correctly handle a sub-domain (aka three
> part machine name, e.g. foo.domain.com) so that mail sent from
> adminstrative aliases comes from
> listname-admin at foo.domain.dom  instead of listname-admin at domain.dom ?

Hi, 

I have the same question asked at the dev list ( a few days ago).
Here with Mailman 2,1b2 same problem.

 Danny,







From kremels at kreme.com  Sun Jun  2 04:59:37 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:59:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <C60E8C7C-75D4-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Saturday, June 1, 2002, at 07:35 PM, Scott Courtney wrote:
> for a in <mylist>-split-*.mbox; do
>      cat $a >> archives/private/<mylist>.mbox/<mylist>.mbox
>      bin/arch <mylist>
>      cron/nightly_gzip <mylist>
> done

Out of curiosity, how did you split the mbox?  I have about 1200 emails I 
want to add to the archive.

I couldn't think of a good way to do the split without splitting each 
message into an individual email, although I am seriously considering doing 
that.

--
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)





From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 05:21:45 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:21:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <C60E8C7C-75D4-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
References: <C60E8C7C-75D4-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <200206012321.45948.courtney@4th.com>

On Saturday 01 June 2002 10:59 pm, LuKreme wrote:
> Out of curiosity, how did you split the mbox?  I have about 1200 emails I
> want to add to the archive.

I wrote a little "awk" program to split them into 80-message chunks. Here is
the source code:

************ BEGIN LISTING ***********
#!/usr/bin/awk -f
#
# Splits an mbox formatted file into chunks of size SZ messages each.
# Sends output to "split-0001.mbox", "split-0002.mbox", and so on, for as
# many as it takes. Overwrites the output files without warning.
#
# Author: Scott Courtney (courtney at 4th.com)
# License: GNU General Public License  http://www.gnu.org/
#
# WARNING: Written for my own one-time use; not thoroughly tested.
#

BEGIN {
        # Change this to determine how many messages go into
        # each chunk. I determined the default value (80) empirically.
        SZ=80;

        ZEROES="00000";
        n=SZ;
        fnum=0;
}

/^From .*@.*:..:.. / {
        n++;
        if (n>80) {
                fnum++;
                n=1;
                if (fnum>1) {
                        close(fname);
                };
                fn1=ZEROES fnum;
                fn2=substr(fn1,length(fn1)-3);
                fname="split-" fn2 ".mbox";
                print fname;
        }
}

{
        print $0 > fname;
}
************************ END LISTING *************

Note: Per my other message on this topic, this program will *NOT* fix the
problem with messages containing the regexp '^From ' in the body text. You
need to do that *before* running this script.

I have now run this (successfully) on my largest archive, which contained
987 messages.

Some versions of awk (and I know that the default version from Solaris 8 is
one of these) have trouble handling more than a small number of output files,
even though the program closes each when it's done writing to it. You have
to install the GNU awk on these systems for this script to work correctly.

If anyone adds additional features to this, I'd appreciate a copy under GPL
so that your features get into my source file. Feel free to credit yourself
in the comments if you enhance this thing. Usual GPL etiquette. :-)

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Jun  2 06:26:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:26:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <039155521040262FE6@mail6.nc.rr.com>

On Saturday 01 June 2002 09:35 pm, Scott Courtney wrote:
> I am trying to import large numbers of messages (several hundred, to as
> many as 900 for one of my lists) into Mailman from mbox files. I can only
> do about 80 at a time with the "arch" program. 

Interestingly enough, I imported about 6000 messages using "arch" on 
Mailman v2.010 just  a few months ago.  All in one shot.  It took about 10+ 
minutes but it worked beautifully

The limitation you are suffering my be due to your machine/memory/available 
disk space/etc... It could even be your version of Python.

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Jun  2 06:29:56 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:29:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Host name this list prefers"
In-Reply-To: <006f01c209dd$2ec6d440$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
References: <000801c209cb$b8f06ad0$0432e7d8@artemis> <006f01c209dd$2ec6d440$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <0a4de2525040262FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

On Saturday 01 June 2002 10:28 pm, Danny Terweij wrote:
> steven <hostmaster at shults.org> heeft geschreven:
> > Hi,
> >
> > How do I get the field labelled "Host name this list prefers" on the
> > admin page "mailing list administration
> > General Options Section" to correctly handle a sub-domain (aka three
> > part machine name, e.g. foo.domain.com) so that mail sent from
> > adminstrative aliases comes from
> > listname-admin at foo.domain.dom  instead of listname-admin at domain.dom ?
>
> Hi,
>
> I have the same question asked at the dev list ( a few days ago).
> Here with Mailman 2,1b2 same problem.
>
>  Danny,

Alas, Mailman simply users the listname here and chops off any included 
domain name.  If you want the Domain name included in the mailing properly, 
then you will have to use the "generics" tables for Sendmail - or move your 
MTA over to something that does virtual domains easier.

Postfix does Virtual domains quite easily.  You might want to look at using 
that for your MTA instead of Sendmail (though I'm still a die-hard Sendmail 
fan!).

Jon Carnes




From tonyo1701 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  1 00:37:31 2002
From: tonyo1701 at hotmail.com (Tony O)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:37:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman
Message-ID: <OE70JJVX7nuQmy2tmuX00003b29@hotmail.com>

Is there a limit to the number of subscribers the Mailman mailing list can
have?

Thanks
Tony




From mike at net3media.com  Sat Jun  1 22:48:09 2002
From: mike at net3media.com (Mike @ Net3Media)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization
Message-ID: <KLECLPDKCOOAGHBCEHOBIEEECLAA.mike@net3media.com>

I've searched the world over until I found nothing....

I'm trying to make error pages and list view pages custom to the design of
my site.

The individual list pages are complete, but...

Has anyone had any luck with this, or can anyone point me in the right
direction?

Thanks,
Mike






From nicolas at anime.com.ar  Sat Jun  1 23:11:36 2002
From: nicolas at anime.com.ar (Nicolas Chiarini)
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:11:36 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020601181113.00a3a9e0@pop.fibertel.com.ar>

hello, i have a question about mailman, how many subscripters can manage 
this program??
more than 10000???
thanks
nicolas 





From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 07:30:42 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:30:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <039155521040262FE6@mail6.nc.rr.com>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <039155521040262FE6@mail6.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200206020043.07765.courtney@4th.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 12:26 am, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Saturday 01 June 2002 09:35 pm, Scott Courtney wrote:
> > I am trying to import large numbers of messages (several hundred, to as
> > many as 900 for one of my lists) into Mailman from mbox files. I can only
> > do about 80 at a time with the "arch" program.
>
> Interestingly enough, I imported about 6000 messages using "arch" on
> Mailman v2.010 just  a few months ago.  All in one shot.  It took about 10+
> minutes but it worked beautifully
>
> The limitation you are suffering my be due to your machine/memory/available
> disk space/etc... It could even be your version of Python.

Strange. My machine has:

* 1 gigabyte memory installed, over 300 megabytes currently free
* over 10 gig free on /home, which is where I'm running "arch"
* Python 2.2.1, which I believe is fairly current because I just installed
  it last week from one of python.org's mirrors

Does anything here sound too "light" for this? I am beginning to suspect it
has something to do with certain messages, though that "wall" at 80 messages
seems to be fixed, because I can duplicate it on multiple mbox files.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)






From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 07:34:14 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:34:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <039155521040262FE6@mail6.nc.rr.com>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <039155521040262FE6@mail6.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200206020134.14478.courtney@4th.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 12:26 am, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Interestingly enough, I imported about 6000 messages using "arch" on
> Mailman v2.010 just  a few months ago.  All in one shot.  It took about 10+
> minutes but it worked beautifully

I'm reaching the conclusion that *something* is broken in the code. It appears
to be objecting to some pattern in my data, but it stops without any error
messages, anywhere. I'm going to try some trace statements in the code,
maybe dump out the subject line of each message processed. I won't bore the
list with the details, but I've got dozens and dozens of test runs here with
aggravatingly consistent results, and yet I can't see the cause. If I nuke a
message that seems to be "the one", the problem just moves down to the next.
And some messages are being skipped, silently. That's kinda scary for a data
import routine.

I'll post to the list when I have more definitive info.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Jun  2 07:57:04 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 22:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archives? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Steven" <steven@shults.org> 
   of "Thu, 30 May 2002 15:40:57 PDT." <001501c2082b$1381ba00$0432e7d8@artemis> 
References: <001501c2082b$1381ba00$0432e7d8@artemis> 
Message-ID: <32566.1022997424@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 30 May 2002 15:40:57 -0700 
steven  <steven at shults.org> wrote:

> is it possible for messages which were sent in html and/or mime
> to be displayed in the archives as they were displayed to recipients?
> default settings seem to display the code as PRE test rather than HTML
> or MIME.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 08:06:03 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 02:06:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <200206020134.14478.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <039155521040262FE6@mail6.nc.rr.com> <200206020134.14478.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <200206020206.03165.courtney@4th.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 01:34 am, Scott Courtney wrote:
> I'll post to the list when I have more definitive info.

Okay...more data.

I'm not sure if this is "the" problem, but it is certainly "a" problem. The
parser in Pipermail chokes on headers that look like this:

Received: from blah blah blah
by blah blah blah
Received: from some other thing
by some other thing

but it works fine on this:

Received: from blah blah blah by blah blah blah
Received: from some other thing by some other thing

It appears that AOL's mailer has, or at least had, a habit of wrapping these
header lines. I still need to dig into RFC 2822 or RFC 822 to see whether the
blame goes to Pipermail for not liking the lines or to AOL for generating
them, but joining these lines in the text editor seems to make Pipermail
accept the messages. Anyone know offhand?

I did definitely determine that Pipermail is silent on this error, though.
It has a try...except clause in which the only action on this parse error
is "continue" (iterate to next message). I'm not crazy about that behavior,
but the nice thing about Open Source is that I can (and have) change it to
report that a message was skipped. The code is in module
Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, in the method processUnixMbox().

So, that's the status so far. <sigh> Back to the text editor...

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 08:35:00 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 02:35:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <200206020206.03165.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <200206020134.14478.courtney@4th.com> <200206020206.03165.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <200206020235.00060.courtney@4th.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 02:06 am, Scott Courtney wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is "the" problem, but it is certainly "a" problem. The
> parser in Pipermail chokes on headers that look like this:
>
> Received: from blah blah blah
> by blah blah blah
> Received: from some other thing
> by some other thing
[...]
> It appears that AOL's mailer has, or at least had, a habit of wrapping
> these header lines. I still need to dig into RFC 2822 or RFC 822 to see
> whether the blame goes to Pipermail for not liking the lines or to AOL for
> generating them, but joining these lines in the text editor seems to make
> Pipermail accept the messages. Anyone know offhand?

BINGO! The culprit is unmasked!

It's not Pipermail and it's not AOL. It's Yahoo. If you recall, I am importing
YahooGroups lists. The only way to get your data from these people is via
their web interface, and they don't let you have a raw source dump. They have
a link to "view source" of a message, and it gives you full headers, but it
formats them slightly. By slightly I mean, among other things, that it wraps
the header lines in a way that appears incompatible with RFC 822. The Perl
script that extracts these pages has no way of knowing what Yahoo has done
to the original data.

I used some careful "grep -v" filtering to eliminate the offending lines,
all of which begin (at least in my data) with either "by " or " for", and
everything now imports.

I'm documenting this because, with Yahoo's new "privacy" (note quotes) policy,
I'll bet a lot of list admins will make a move in the same direction as I'm
moving -- away from YahooGroups and toward Mailman or something like it.
So the message is: beware of this bug that can cause data to be silently
discarded in Pipermail archiving.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 09:31:34 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 03:31:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <200206020235.00060.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <200206020206.03165.courtney@4th.com> <200206020235.00060.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <200206020331.34770.courtney@4th.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 02:35 am, Scott Courtney wrote:
> By slightly I mean, among other things, that it wraps
> the header lines in a way that appears incompatible with RFC 822. The Perl
> script that extracts these pages has no way of knowing what Yahoo has done
> to the original data.
>
> I used some careful "grep -v" filtering to eliminate the offending lines,
> all of which begin (at least in my data) with either "by " or " for", and
> everything now imports.

For the record:

1. It's more than just the Received: headers that are the problem. Other types
   of header are also wrapped in Yahoo's archives.
2. This is in fact incompliant with RFC822. RFC822 requires that continuation
   lines of a single header logical line must begin with linear whitespace
   characters. See example below.

Received: blah blah blah
    blah blah blah

Received: blah blah blah
blah blah blah

The first is valid; the second is not. Messages retrieved from the "view
source" function on YahooGroups appear to have the second format.

I may work out an awk script to do the cleanup automatically, if time permits.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 11:09:50 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 05:09:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Cleanup Script
Message-ID: <200206020509.50754.courtney@4th.com>

Well, it turns out there was so much cruft in that data from YahooGroups that
it was easier to write an awk script to zap most of it. Here's the script:

**************** BEGIN LISTING **************
#!/usr/bin/awk -f
#
# Attempts to clean up some ugly header problems when importing
# mail from YahooGroups to mbox format.
#
# Author: Scott Courtney <courtney at 4th.com>
#
# License: GPL
#
# Disclaimer: Written for my own one-time use; NOT thoroughly tested.
#
BEGIN {
        hdr=0;
}
/^From .*@.* .*:..:.. / {
        hdr=1;
        print $0;
}
/^$/ {
        hdr=0;
        print $0;
}
/^[A-Za-z0-9-]+: / {
        print $0;
}
! /^[A-Za-z0-9-]+: / && ! /^From .*@.* .*:..:.. / {
        if (hdr) {
                print " " $0;
        } else {
                print $0;
        }
}
********************* END LISTING ****************888

Another change that may or may not apply to your lists: Some versions of KMail,
the client that comes with KDE, produce a header called "Message-Id:". The
parser in "arch" requires this to be "Message-ID:" or it chokes. I didn't
put that into my awk script because it may not apply everywhere, and fixing
it is just a matter of :%s/^Message-Id/Message-ID/ in vi, or equivalent.

Hope this is helpful.

By the way, I apologize for posting so much today. Several people have been
in touch with me off-list indicating that I'm not the only one struggling
with these problems.

The good news: After running this new awk script, I'm able to import much
larger archives in a single chunk. The 80-message limit was highly
repeatable for me, and I still don't know why, but it's not hard-wired as
I had thought. Maybe just coincidental because all my data is so
homogeneous.

Good luck, everyone. I'm now up and running with four live lists. I hope
this documentation of the hurdles I've encountered will help the next
person in line to not have so many dents in his or her forehead. :-)

To bed, now, at last. :-)

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From hostmaster at shults.org  Sun Jun  2 12:01:31 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (steven)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 03:01:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Host name this list prefers"
In-Reply-To: <0a4de2525040262FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001701c20a1c$7d100880$0432e7d8@artemis>

found the problem, it was me.

I had DM "(who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading) (see also
$=M)" set in sendmail.cf, which was overriding FM (masq-domains.)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Jon Carnes
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 9:30 PM
> To: Danny Terweij; steven; mailman-users at python.org
> Cc: mailman-developers at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] "Host name this list prefers"
> 
> 
> On Saturday 01 June 2002 10:28 pm, Danny Terweij wrote:
> > steven <hostmaster at shults.org> heeft geschreven:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > How do I get the field labelled "Host name this list 
> prefers" on the
> > > admin page "mailing list administration
> > > General Options Section" to correctly handle a sub-domain 
> (aka three
> > > part machine name, e.g. foo.domain.com) so that mail sent from
> > > adminstrative aliases comes from
> > > listname-admin at foo.domain.dom  instead of 
> listname-admin at domain.dom ?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have the same question asked at the dev list ( a few days ago).
> > Here with Mailman 2,1b2 same problem.
> >
> >  Danny,
> 
> Alas, Mailman simply users the listname here and chops off 
> any included 
> domain name.  If you want the Domain name included in the 
> mailing properly, 
> then you will have to use the "generics" tables for Sendmail 
> - or move your 
> MTA over to something that does virtual domains easier.
> 
> Postfix does Virtual domains quite easily.  You might want to 
> look at using 
> that for your MTA instead of Sendmail (though I'm still a 
> die-hard Sendmail 
> fan!).
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From danny at terweij.nl  Sun Jun  2 12:35:35 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:35:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Host name this list prefers"
References: <000801c209cb$b8f06ad0$0432e7d8@artemis> <006f01c209dd$2ec6d440$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> <0a4de2525040262FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c20a21$3adf33a0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>

> On Saturday 01 June 2002 10:28 pm, Danny Terweij wrote:
> > steven <hostmaster at shults.org> heeft geschreven:

> > > listname-admin at foo.domain.dom  instead of listname-admin at domain.dom ?
> > I have the same question asked at the dev list ( a few days ago).
> >  Danny,

> Alas, Mailman simply users the listname here and chops off any included
> domain name.  If you want the Domain name included in the mailing
properly,
> then you will have to use the "generics" tables for Sendmail - or move
your
> MTA over to something that does virtual domains easier.

I do not know if you read my message at the de list, i am not using virtual
hosts at my site.

I use this at my site :
These are my mm_cfg settings:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lnx.p-s.nl'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.p-s.nl'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:81/mailman/'
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = DEFAULT_URL_HOST
DEFAULT_URL = DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % DEFAULT_URL_HOST
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0

Look for the thread : [Mailman-Developers] Wrong domain choosed when
creating a new list (mm2.1b2)

Danny.







From kremels at kreme.com  Sun Jun  2 16:00:34 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:00:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <200206012321.45948.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <1BD9B45A-7631-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>

On Saturday, June 1, 2002, at 09:21 PM, Scott Courtney wrote:
> On Saturday 01 June 2002 10:59 pm, LuKreme wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, how did you split the mbox?  I have about 1200 emails 
>> I
>> want to add to the archive.
>
> I wrote a little "awk" program to split them into 80-message chunks. Here 
> is
> the source code:

Ah.. awk.  I hate awk.  Good thing you wrote it. :)

> I have now run this (successfully) on my largest archive, which contained
> 987 messages.

Worked fine on my 1001 message archive

This loaded almost all the emails succesfully.  I STILL got the

*** malloc[11027]: error: Can't allocate region
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/arch", line 129, in ?
     main()

So, looking at the file more carefully I noticed that the NEXT email had 
"rom " isntea of "From " and that about 200 emails in this archive all had 
that.  All the emails that were mutlipart, so I think html-trap munged the 
"From " header.

All the emails got loaded (thanks!) but I'm still getting errors when it's 
trying to finish.

******
Updating index files for archive [2002-June]
   Date
   Subject
   Author
   Thread
Computing threaded index
Updating HTML for article 52
article file /Users/mailman/archives/private/list/2002-June/000052.html is 
missing!
Updating HTML for article 53
article file /Users/mailman/archives/private/list/2002-June/000053.html is 
missing!
Updating HTML for article 54
article file /Users/mailman/archives/private/list/2002-June/000054.html is 
missing!
Updating HTML for article 55
article file /Users/mailman/archives/private/list/2002-June/000055.html is 
missing!
Updating HTML for article 27
Updating HTML for article 56
Updating HTML for article 57
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/arch", line 129, in ?
     main()
   File "bin/arch", line 119, in main
     archiver.close()
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 306, in close
     self.write_TOC()
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 905, in 
write_TOC
     toc.write(self.html_TOC())
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 647, in html_TOC
     d = {"listname": self.maillist.real_name,
   File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 76, in sizeof
     size = os.path.getsize(filename)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 139, in getsize
     st = os.stat(filename)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/Users/mailman/archives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox'
*******

sigh.  GOing through the process again.

--
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)





From courtney at 4th.com  Sun Jun  2 16:15:16 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <1BD9B45A-7631-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
References: <1BD9B45A-7631-11D6-94A6-003065AB9B0E@kreme.com>
Message-ID: <200206021015.16939.courtney@4th.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 10:00 am, LuKreme wrote:
> On Saturday, June 1, 2002, at 09:21 PM, Scott Courtney wrote:
> > On Saturday 01 June 2002 10:59 pm, LuKreme wrote:
> >> Out of curiosity, how did you split the mbox?  I have about 1200 emails
> >> I
> >> want to add to the archive.
> >
> > I wrote a little "awk" program to split them into 80-message chunks. Here
> > is
> > the source code:
>
> Ah.. awk.  I hate awk.  Good thing you wrote it. :)

I love awk! You probably would use <gasp!> <ugh!> .... Perl.
(I mean that humorously, by the way. Not trying to start a flamewar or
anything. Linux has lots of good tools, and it's great that each of us
can choose the ones we like best. <GRIN>)

[...]
>
> All the emails got loaded (thanks!) but I'm still getting errors when it's
> trying to finish.
>
> ******
> Updating index files for archive [2002-June]
>    Date
>    Subject
>    Author
>    Thread
> Computing threaded index
> Updating HTML for article 52
> article file /Users/mailman/archives/private/list/2002-June/000052.html is
> missing!

My suggestion now is to do the following:

1. Fix up the "From " --> "rom " errors, since that is a known, obvious, and
   severe problem. You've probably already done that.
2. Read my later emails. I found a better way to deal with the archives at
   my end, namely by fixing the data so that "arch" doesn't fall out due to
   excessive errors. It appears that was the root cause of my problem -- bad
   input, and "arch" not having enough error diagnostics inside. Once I added
   some new error reports to "arch", I started getting answers that led me
   to the problem.
3. Consider using my *other* awk program, goodheaders.awk, to filter a copy
   of your data, then try the import as one single file. Steps for this:

       cd /users/mailman
       cp archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox mylist.mbox.original
       ./goodheaders.awk < mylist.mbox.original > mylist.mbox.filtered
       cp mylist.mbox.filtered archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox
       rm -r archives/private/mylist/*
       bin/arch mylist
       cron/nightly_gzip mylist

   Do these things with your qrunner and cron tasks temporarily halted.
   The "rm" command will zap all the old HTML files so you can rebuild
   from scratch. It also zaps the stateful information from previous
   runs.

This worked quite well for me. I'm now mostly done transferring my lists,
and the remainder is just mechanics, not troubleshooting. It was 0500 here
and I was ready to get some sleep. ;-)

Good luck!

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From tneff at bigfoot.com  Sun Jun  2 16:28:24 2002
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 10:28:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Web Mail Agents Generate "Suspicious Headers"?
In-Reply-To: <20020602042602.24323.93252.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020602042602.24323.93252.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <94792296.1023013704@[192.168.0.2]>

As Mike says, look at the Privacy options.  SquirrelMail is exceptionally 
well-behaved (I use it myself and recommend it) so I am surprised to see 
its mails rejected.  However, because it is web based and (in the default 
configuration) runs sendmail to send messages, there is one header you 
might well see:

  X-Authentication-Warning: sample.com: apache set sender to 
yourid at sample.com using -f

and I suppose someone might be filtering for that.




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Jun  2 17:35:48 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:35:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020601181113.00a3a9e0@pop.fibertel.com.ar>
Message-ID: <3CFA3B54.36F80A5C@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Nicolas Chiarini wrote:
> 
> hello, i have a question about mailman, how many subscripters can manage
> this program??
> more than 10000???
> thanks
> nicolas

yes. see the faq. limits are determined by your mta, the host it runs
on, and of course your connection.




From csf at incose.propagation.net  Sun Jun  2 19:03:48 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:03:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to generate list of administrators
Message-ID: <02e501c20a57$77008330$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

I want to create a mailing list of the list administrators. How do I generate this. I'd rather not access each list for this info.
-Cassandra
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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Jun  2 19:03:08 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 10:03:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug 
In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Courtney <courtney@4th.com> 
   of "Sun, 02 Jun 2002 02:35:00 EDT." <200206020235.00060.courtney@4th.com> 
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <200206020134.14478.courtney@4th.com> <200206020206.03165.courtney@4th.com>  <200206020235.00060.courtney@4th.com> 
Message-ID: <7382.1023037388@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 02:35:00 -0400 
Scott Courtney <courtney at 4th.com> wrote:

> BINGO! The culprit is unmasked!

How about adding a section to the FAQ with this data?

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Jun  2 19:25:13 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:25:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to generate list of administrators
In-Reply-To: <02e501c20a57$77008330$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>
References: <02e501c20a57$77008330$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>
Message-ID: <026a74120170262FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 01:03 pm, Cassandra Fleetwood wrote:
> I want to create a mailing list of the list administrators. How do I
> generate this. I'd rather not access each list for this info. -Cassandra

POC:
  ~mailman/bin/list_lists - this will list all the list on the site, then 
simply add "-admin" to the names of the lists.

Example: you have lists: 
   list1,
   list2, 
   list3

Create an alias as such:
   list_admins: list1-admin, list2-admin, list3-admin

The only problem with this approach is that folks who manage more than one 
list will recieve multiple copies of the email.

A long while back someone floated a script across this list which actually 
went into each list and pulled out the email addresses of the admins.  You 
can probably find that if you search the archives, or you can recreate it 
from some of the scripts currently in the FAQ.

Good Luck.




From csf at incose.propagation.net  Sun Jun  2 20:39:50 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:39:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to generate list of administrators
References: <02e501c20a57$77008330$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra> <00c401c20a62$5d766c30$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <031401c20a64$e18b5f10$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

I found the following script at
http://msgs.securepoint.com/cgi-bin/get/mailman-users-0101/294.html

#!/bin/sh
 # output 'listname : owner' for all lists
 for i in ../lists/*; do
         this=`basename $i`
         printf  "$this : "
         config_list -o - $this | egrep '^owner =' | cut -f2 -d"'"
 done

-Cassandra

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah K. Miller" <techgrrl at beeze.com>
To: "Cassandra Fleetwood" <csf at incose.propagation.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to generate list of administrators


> Version 2.1b* does this for you, using the bin/list_admins command.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cassandra Fleetwood" <csf at incose.propagation.net>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:03 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to generate list of administrators
>
>
> I want to create a mailing list of the list administrators. How do I
generate this. I'd rather not access each list for this info.
> -Cassandra
>





From stefaans at pop.co.za  Sun Jun  2 21:04:11 2002
From: stefaans at pop.co.za (Stefaans Mostert)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:04:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The disappearing messages ??
Message-ID: <200206022104.11105.stefaans@pop.co.za>

Heya all

I posted previousely about my message problem.
In short I post to a moderated list it notifies me that there is a request and 
when I click on the link there is nothing.
What puzzles me is that the next day I got the message @ the bottom here
If I log in I cannot see my messages and I cannot approve them
Please help!!!!
I am @ the end of my wits here. If you look @ the times they were sent you can 
imagine what huors I have been putting into this ;-)

I use mailman-2.0.11 witch I recently upgraded from  mailman-2.0.10
and python2-2.2.1-1.i386.rpm(from python site)
evereything else looks fine

6 Test911 admin request(s) waiting


Date: 
Sun, 02 Jun 2002 17:00:01 +0200The Test911@<domain>.net mailing list has 6 
request(s) waiting
for your consideration at:

        http://<domain>.net/mailman/admindb/test911
        
Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.


Pending posts:
     From: groottoets@<domain>.net on Sun Jun  2 23:14:01 2002
    Cause: Post to moderated list

     From: groottoets@<domain>.net on Sun Jun  2 23:25:01 2002
    Cause: Post to moderated list

     From: stefaans@<domain>.co.za on Sun Jun  2 23:32:01 2002
    Cause: Post to moderated list

     From: groottoets@<domain>.net on Sun Jun  2 23:37:01 2002
    Cause: Post to moderated list

     From: stefaans@<domain>.co.za on Sun Jun  2 00:12:02 2002
    Cause: Post to moderated list

     From: richard@<domain>.net on Sun Jun  2 00:18:01 2002
    Cause: Post to moderated list

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From akaize at ridhaa.com  Sun Jun  2 21:14:22 2002
From: akaize at ridhaa.com (Ahamed Kaize)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:14:22 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accumulated Admin Request Reset
Message-ID: <003701c20a69$b8cece40$6384a6d5@Name>

We are using MailMan version 2.0.10

For some reason, I have a list of more than 3,000 list admin requests
(approving posts, etc.) that Mailman has accumulated over the downtime
period, and it's all but impossible to clear that using the Mailman
script (I got a 500 error the one time I tried it). Since then, I'm
unable to log back into Mailman too.

How can I over come this trouble? Is there a way to reset these requested
from the server?

Thank you,







From wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk  Sun Jun  2 21:48:11 2002
From: wtlewis at cityu.edu.hk (Lewis Lau)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 03:48:11 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html messages in archives?
References: <001501c2082b$1381ba00$0432e7d8@artemis>
Message-ID: <3CFA767B.BCAB2749@cityu.edu.hk>

I used an external archiver called Hypermail instead of Pipermail. It
support HTML format mails and works fine.

Lewis

Steven wrote:

> hiya,
>
> is it possible for messages which were sent in html and/or mime to be
> displayed in the archives as they were displayed to recipients?  default
> settings seem to display the code as PRE test rather than HTML or MIME.
>
> any docs to point me to that I'm missing which touch on this subject?
> any hacks available if no settings to do it with?
>
> thanks,
> ~Steven
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Jun  3 00:03:18 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slow web administration
In-Reply-To: <1022465738.497.13.camel@aramis>
References: <1022465738.497.13.camel@aramis>
Message-ID: <20020602220318.GD18804@merlins.org>

On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 08:15:37PM -0600, Tremaine Lea wrote:
> Hey there folks,
> 
> Not sure if anyone else has run across this issue, but it's slowly
> driving me batty.  I currently have mailman 2.0.9-1 running on a Xeon
> 800 with 500 megs of ram.  It has a single mailing list with roughly
> 450,000 subscribers.  
> 
> I've found that accessing the web interface for administration is
> incredibly slow.  Is there any way to speed that up, or to handle

There are lots of linear scans, and yes it will be slow.

The only way to speed that up is to revisit the code.
Porting users to a DB however shouldn't be too hard, Barry did use a base
object that has methods you can override.

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Jun  3 00:04:43 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:04:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Greetings from Northeastern Argentina's
In-Reply-To: <3CF2B33C.6030500@unam.edu.ar>
References: <3CF2B33C.6030500@unam.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <20020602220443.GE18804@merlins.org>

On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 07:29:16PM -0300, Eduardo Sosa wrote:
> Hi!
> After years having used Sendmail+Majordomo+Linux, I?ve migrated to 
> Exim+Mailman+linux http://listas.unam.edu.ar/mailman/listinfo .
> I do know that you receive questions like this one every day, but I 
> would like to know from where could I download a spanish translation for 
> the Mailman 2.0.11

You cannot, you have to use mailman 2.1b2 for international language
support.

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Jun  3 00:06:52 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:06:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is mailman the thing to use with a big newsletter?
In-Reply-To: <001501c205dd$30674220$0100a8c0@Server>
References: <001501c205dd$30674220$0100a8c0@Server>
Message-ID: <20020602220652.GF18804@merlins.org>

On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 02:18:26AM +0200, Support wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> i'm searching a software that gives me the ability to send my newsletter to
> nearly 240'000 recipents.

Unless you plan to use the subscribe/unsuscribe architecture in mailman,
you're better off rolling a shell script that loops through the list of
users

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Jun  3 00:11:24 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:11:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricting privileges
In-Reply-To: <20020528151036.0b2fb1c5.raquel@thericehouse.net>
References: <3CF3D2F1.1010905@gold.nildram.co.uk> <20020528151036.0b2fb1c5.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <20020602221124.GG18804@merlins.org>

On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 03:10:36PM -0700, Raquel Rice wrote:
> > Can anyone  suggest a way of  restricting privileges in the  Mailman web
> > admin  pages? In  particular I'd  like  to  stop users  with  list-admin
> > privileges from  being able to  change the max_message_size  setting but
> > still allow site-admins to have full access.
> 
> Tell them to leave it alone or they lose admin privileges?

I use config_list to reset the settings I want daily.
Cheap and crude, but works for now

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Jun  3 00:15:24 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:15:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large lists question
In-Reply-To: <1022754831.8330.4.camel@taniz.org>
References: <1022754831.8330.4.camel@taniz.org>
Message-ID: <20020602221524.GH18804@merlins.org>

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 12:33:51PM +0200, Andreu Sanchez wrote:
> Well, i have a question regarding mailman, we need to create some lists
> with 5000 mail addresses and we ask ourselves if mailman would support
> that huge bunch of mails and if the answer is yes, what machine must
> have the mailman? 

Yes, many people do that and more.
Any recent machine (P3 500Mhz or better) should do fine. I would worry more
about RAM than CPU, and put something like 512MB

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Jun  3 00:15:54 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:15:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in french
In-Reply-To: <200205301245.11726.lrathle@teaser.fr>
References: <200205301245.11726.lrathle@teaser.fr>
Message-ID: <20020602221554.GI18804@merlins.org>

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 12:45:11PM +0200, Laurent Rathle wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to put french messages and templates in mailman 2.0.8 and if 
> yes, how do I set it ?

Not easily
mailman 2.1b2 supports that out of the box. You should try it.

Marc
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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Jun  3 00:34:10 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 15:34:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MimeFilter integration with Mailman
Message-ID: <12017.1023057250@kanga.nu>

<<Reply-To set to mailman-users at python.org>>

A while back I noticed that while we'd been happily recommending
MimeFilter for stripping unwanted MIME parts from messages before they
got to mailman, nobody had bothered to say how to run it beyond "chuck
it in the alias file".  

  Problem: those instructions (generally) won't work.

  Reason: Mimefilter tries to create files and a temp directory in its
  CWD, and at least under postfix that means /var/spool/postfix which
  here is root.root/0755 (and I'm not about to change that).

So I spent some time this morning and threw something together a little
slicker.  Its essentially a wrapper around Mailman's wrapper.  What I
got seems to work.  I don't and won't claim beauty.

--<cut>--
#!/bin/bash

# Syntax:
#
#   mimestrip <action> <target>
#
#     Both arguments will be passed to /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper 
#     in the same order, without change.
#
#     All other arguments will be gleefully discarded.
#
# Author: J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu>
#

ACTION=$1
TARGET=$2
export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin

# -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
# Config (Edit this bit to suit your setup!)
# -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

# Safe working directory for mimefilter.  We need to do this as 
# postfix by default will execute this script in /var/spool/postfix and 
# mimefilter will try and create temp directories and files under there.

# Note: Make sure that the value of tmpdir is writeable by the UID or GID 
# that this script will execute under.

tmpdir="/tmp/mimestrip.${$}"

# Do you want to save an mbox of the messages before filtering 
# in $savefile_pre?   (0/1)

save_pre=1

# Do you want to save an mbox of the messages after filtering 
# in $savefile_post?  (0/1)

save_post=1

# File to save pre-filtered messages in

savefile_pre="/tmp/mimestrip.prefilter"

# File to same post filtered messages in

savefile_post="/tmp/mimestrip.postfilter"

# Send a copy of every processed message to the list maintainer?  (Y/N)

copy_maintainer="y"

# -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
# MimeFilter setup (Don't edit from here down)
# -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

# The name of the mailing list this message is intended for.  Used
# as the return address of the warning issued to the orginal author
# if the message is not already clean.

export list=${USER}

# The address of the mailing list this message is intended for.
# Used in the X-Loop field of the warning issued to the original
# author if the message is not already clean.

export listaddr=${USER}@${DOMAIN}

# The administrative (owner) address of the mailing list this
# message is inteded for.  Used in the return address of the warning
# issued to the original author if the message is not already clean.

export listreq=${USER}-admin@${DOMAIN}

# The email address of the maintainer of the mailing list this
# message is inteded for.  If it is defined, it is used to send the
# maintainer original carbon copies of messages that have been
# modified by this filter -- if filter_mime_cc_maintainer is
# affermative, of course.

export maintainer=${USER}-owner@${DOMAIN}

# A boolean flag: if affermative (i.e., if it matches the /y/i Perl
# regular expression), the mimefilter script will send carbon copies
# of every cleaned (modified) message to the maintainer of the
# mailing list the message is intended for.

export filter_mime_cc_maintainer=${copy_maintainer}

# -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
# Start working
# -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

# Build a safe working directory for mimefilter.  We need to do this as 
# postfix by default will execute this script in /var/spool/postfix and 
# mimefilter will try and create temp directories and files under there,
# which will fail on permissions.

# Note: Make sure that the value of tmpdir is writeable by the UID or GID 
# that this script will execute under.

rm -rf ${tmpdir} 2> /dev/null
mkdir ${tmpdir}
cd ${tmpdir}

# Working files (over-engineered and IO heavy, but useful during debugging 
# and tuning of the filter setup)

tmpfile="mimestrip.$$"
holdfile="mimehold.$$"

# DEBUG

#pwd > /tmp/mimestrip.pwd
#set > /tmp/mimestrip.env

# Get the inbound message from stdin and run it thru mimefilter with
# copies saved for before and after.  The mimestrip.err file should 
# always be empty.  I found it useful for debugging.  Nuke freely.

# Note: If there's an "X-MimeStrip: No" header (actually anywhere in the
# message), then don't run this message thru mimefilter but pass it 
# straight on to the mailman wrapper.

cat > ${holdfile}

grep -i "^X-MimeStrip:[ \t]*No" ${holdfile}
if [ $? ]
then
  cat ${holdfile} | /usr/bin/mimefilter > ${tmpfile} 2> /tmp/mimestrip.err

  # If there's nothing left of the message (less than 5 lines), don't 
  # bother sending it forward to Mailman.

  count=`cat ${tmpfile} | wc -l`
  if [ $count -gt 5 ]
  then
    cat ${tmpfile} | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper ${ACTION} ${TARGET}
  fi
else

  # We found a header so send it thru unfiltered.

  cat ${tmpfile} | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper ${ACTION} ${TARGET}
fi

# Save copies of the before and after messages off to a temp file for 
# analysis/debugging

if [ $save_pre -eq 1 ]
then
  cat ${holdfile} >> /tmp/mimestrip.prefilter
  echo >>/tmp/mimestrip.prefilter
fi
if [ $save_post -eq 1 ]
then
  cat ${tmpfile} >> /tmp/mimestrip.postfilter
  echo >> /tmp/mimestrip.postfilter
fi

# Clean up

rm -rf ${tmpdir}
exit 0
--<cut>--

Notes:

  Use in your Mailman alias file as so (for a list called "test"):

    test:                    "|/some/path/here/mimestrip post test"

  More simply just replace the normal /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper"
  with the call to mimestrip.

  The script is Postfix specific in that it expects the $USER and
  $DOMAIN in its environment to be respectively set to the LHS and RHS
  of the address the message was sent to.  Hack freely for your MTA of
  choice if it does something different.

  Why not use demime which does all sorts of cool things like Yahoo
  signature removal and getting rid of unnecessary quoted-printable?
  demime strips all MIME parts, which is fine if that's what you want.
  However there are certain MIME parts that I specifically want to let
  thru to my lists (eg message/rfc822), and I rather like some of
  mimefilter's other features thta demime doesn't share like emailing
  the original poster with a warning that parts were removed from their
  message.

    Yeah, those extra messages are annoying to the posters.  They're
    intended to be and I like that.  I don't want posters sending
    unwanted MIME parts to my lists.  

    Note: You can turn off that feature in Mimefilter's config.

  I also wanted a way to send MIME messages thru to my lists without
  doing any MIME stripping.  A bypass if you would.  Typically I'd use
  this for valid/valuable list messages which contain useful MIME parts
  (eg an attached image such as a graph diagramming the message content)
  that would otherwise be stripped my the mimefilter.  In the end I did
  this via a custom X-header: X-MimeStrip: No.

    Strong suggestion: Configure your lists to hold messages with that
    header for moderator approval.  This will allow you to catch abuse
    by too-clever posters.

  Mailman v2.1 largely removes need for this mimestrip filter.  If all
  you want is mimestripping then Mailman 2.1 should be more than enough.
  However I want more than that.  I want mimefilter's annoying messages
  to posters of unwanted MIME, I want the bypass, I want the ability to
  save the before and after filtering messages etc, and I really want
  the ability to ad-hoc extend the filter with other little toys and
  trinkets as I go along (eg a quoted-printable flattener will likely be
  next for me here).

  Adding in something like SpamAssassin into the mail processing pipe
  with a custom handling rule (eg silently discard messages with high
  enough scores before passing them thru mimefilter) would be trivially
  easy and is left as an exercise for the reader.

  This is barely if at all tested.  Caveat Emptor and all that rot.

  Yeah, I should put this in the FAQ and I hopefully will after I've run
  it thru a few more exercises here.

Enjoy.

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From uckelman at nomic.net  Mon Jun  3 02:50:19 2002
From: uckelman at nomic.net (Joel Uckelman)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:50:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] address obscuring problem
Message-ID: <20020603005019.2331.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx>

For one of my lists, I have "show member addrs so they're not recognizable 
as email addrs" set to "no", and if I do a dump of that lists' db, I see 
that obscure_addresses = 0. But when I look at the archives, all of the 
>From headers show up like this:

From: list at example.com (Joel Uckelman)

when they should be like this:

From: Joel Uckelman <uckelman at example.com> 

I've nixed the list archives and regenerated them from the mbox, but it 
still seems to be obscuring addresses.

What's going on here?

-- 
J.






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Jun  3 04:29:52 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:29:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slow web administration
In-Reply-To: <20020602220318.GD18804@merlins.org>
References: <1022465738.497.13.camel@aramis> <20020602220318.GD18804@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <0051a1825020362FE5@mail5.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 06:03 pm, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 08:15:37PM -0600, Tremaine Lea wrote:
> > Hey there folks,
> >
> > Not sure if anyone else has run across this issue, but it's slowly
> > driving me batty.  I currently have mailman 2.0.9-1 running on a Xeon
> > 800 with 500 megs of ram.  It has a single mailing list with roughly
> > 450,000 subscribers.
> >
> > I've found that accessing the web interface for administration is
> > incredibly slow.  Is there any way to speed that up, or to handle
>
> There are lots of linear scans, and yes it will be slow.
>
> The only way to speed that up is to revisit the code.
> Porting users to a DB however shouldn't be too hard, Barry did use a base
> object that has methods you can override.
>
> Marc

Actually this came up once before, and we had the user build a RAM drive 
and load his config directory in there then mount that in place of the real 
config directory.  It worked like a charm.

All the database accesses, rebuilds, etc took place in RAM rather than on 
disk.  You can imagine that this was much faster.

BTW: just to be safe, he backs up the RAM drive hourly (I think...)

Jon Carnes




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Jun  3 04:34:47 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large lists question
In-Reply-To: <20020602221524.GH18804@merlins.org>
References: <1022754831.8330.4.camel@taniz.org> <20020602221524.GH18804@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <0af1f1330020362FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 06:15 pm, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 12:33:51PM +0200, Andreu Sanchez wrote:
> > Well, i have a question regarding mailman, we need to create some lists
> > with 5000 mail addresses and we ask ourselves if mailman would support
> > that huge bunch of mails and if the answer is yes, what machine must
> > have the mailman?
>
> Yes, many people do that and more.
> Any recent machine (P3 500Mhz or better) should do fine. I would worry
> more about RAM than CPU, and put something like 512MB
>
> Marc

Lets not forget about the biggest bottle neck of all... the Hard Drive.  
For maximum through-put, you need to use a SCSI drive or RAID array as the 
Disk Subsystem for the server.  If this is mission critical the obvious 
choice is a SCSI / RAID disk subsystem.

Jon Carnes




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Mon Jun  3 05:12:39 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:12:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large lists question
In-Reply-To: <0af1f1330020362FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>
References: <1022754831.8330.4.camel@taniz.org> <20020602221524.GH18804@merlins.org> <0af1f1330020362FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20020603031239.GH32064@merlins.org>

On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 10:34:47PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Lets not forget about the biggest bottle neck of all... the Hard Drive.  
> For maximum through-put, you need to use a SCSI drive or RAID array as the 
> Disk Subsystem for the server.  If this is mission critical the obvious 
> choice is a SCSI / RAID disk subsystem.

Actually if you have enough RAM, the whole config.pck should fit in the disk
cache, so  it's not a  huge deal (but  yes, I use SCSI  and RAID for  all my
servers)

Marc
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From akaize at ridhaa.com  Mon Jun  3 07:23:24 2002
From: akaize at ridhaa.com (akaize at ridhaa.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:23:24 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting the Admin Requests
Message-ID: <002701c20abe$cdba5540$c90000c0@akaize>

We have more than 3000 admin requests in one of our list.  Is there a way to
delete them from the database or using SSH to my Linux box?





From t.boeken at rdc.nl  Mon Jun  3 10:28:06 2002
From: t.boeken at rdc.nl (Tom Boeken)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:28:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] howto make 'notmetoo' default?
Message-ID: <3CFB2896.6060008@rdc.nl>

Hi,

I would like to make one or more options in the Membership Management 
for all available lists default when adding a new member, e.g. set 
'notmetoo' or 'ack'.

Is there a way of doing this through crontab, say check this setting 
once a day and change it through some shell-script?

Thanks in advance.

Tom







From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Mon Jun  3 13:51:51 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:51:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-web interface
In-Reply-To: <AC32944C1B73B447B695ED2D393D2A9514D0BC@hale-svr-01.HALE.local>
Message-ID: <AC32944C1B73B447B695ED2D393D2A950D042B@hale-svr-01.HALE.local>

[listname]-request at mail.example.com with either subscribe, unsubscribe
or help as the subject/body. :)

Jim Hale
---
http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Bob Stout
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 12:14 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-web interface


I have a few users without web access. I know there's some sort of email
interface to Mailman, but I haven't been able to locate any
documentation on it. Help anyone?

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From mailman at whitworks.com  Mon Jun  3 18:05:34 2002
From: mailman at whitworks.com (ValerieWhitmore)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:05:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hacking question about options.html
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206031058170.25618-100000@host.whitworks.com>

Hi,

I'm doing some modifications to the options.html template file.  
Basically I need to pull the subscriber's email address (in email addy
format me at somewhere.com) to insert into a form on the users option page.  
If the list is set to munge email addresses, using
<MM-Case-Preserved-User> comes up blank.  Is there a code I can use that
no matter how the list is set up I can get the member's email address to
appear in the proper format?  I can probably hack the form script I'm 
using to convert the <MM-Presentable-User> format, but thought there might 
be an easier way.

Thanks in advance
Valerie Whitmore






From kjetil at kjernsmo.net  Mon Jun  3 19:52:08 2002
From: kjetil at kjernsmo.net (Kjetil Kjernsmo)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:52:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache 2 and Mailman?
Message-ID: <E17Ew00-0001YH-00@pooh.kjernsmo.net>

Hi all,

I'm just wondering if anybody has any experience with Apache 2.0 and 
Mailman? It should be pretty straightforward...? Any surprises?

Kjetil




From angelo at colegioanchieta.g12.br  Mon Jun  3 20:03:42 2002
From: angelo at colegioanchieta.g12.br (Angelo Marcos Rigo)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:03:42 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] store in database
Message-ID: <FA9927022B14E0458886F26129CBF2031A4A44@AEX01.anchieta.local>

hy list

I would like to ask if i can make a subscripting form,
asking more data from the user like adress, profession, phone number
etc...
to store in a database ?  





From robd at ocis.net  Mon Jun  3 20:32:10 2002
From: robd at ocis.net (Rob Dover)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-gid puzzler
Message-ID: <001301c20b2c$f93ee370$0100a8c0@ve7eje>

Sorry for another post on this issue but I have been through the faq and
reread the INSTALL file several times and can't seem to get past this.
I did a default install which seemed to go ok until I got the point of
testing my new test list. When I did, I got the "Mailman CGI error!!!" page
and the "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to
take 48?)" message.
OK, I tried reconfiguring with --with-cgi-gid 48. This says that gid 48
doesn't exist. Upon checking my /etc/group gid 48 is there and is assigned
to apache which is the group and user that the web server runs under. I also
tried 99, same thing.
What do I try next?
System is RH 7.2 with Apache and Sendmail. All recent rpms.
Any help appreciated.
-Rob-

-
Rob and Christine
robd'at'ocis.net





From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Mon Jun  3 21:15:47 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:15:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to not affecting outlook
Message-ID: <001401c20b33$118bfde0$0b0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

I have to use Outlook at work, and I'm noticing that it appears that Outlook
ignores the Reply-To: header when you hit reply - it replies to the From
line. Is it possible to munge the From line as well in Mailman so that all
posts appear to be coming from the list itself? I'm running 2.1b1 (I'll get
around to updating one of these days).


Christopher Wiegand
Network Admin / Programmer
Signal Behavioral Health Network
Phone: 303.639.9320


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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon Jun  3 23:22:08 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:22:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] store in database
References: <FA9927022B14E0458886F26129CBF2031A4A44@AEX01.anchieta.local>
Message-ID: <3CFBDE00.750D27DE@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Angelo Marcos Rigo wrote:
> 
> hy list
> 
> I would like to ask if i can make a subscripting form,
> asking more data from the user like adress, profession, phone number
> etc...
> to store in a database ?

that should be possible, but it will involve some programming work on
your part. i don't know python, so i would do it with php and mysql.

look at the mailman subscription page:

...
    <form Method=POST ACTION="../subscribe/linux-audio-announce">
...
	  <b><font COLOR="#000000">Subscribing to
linux-audio-announce</font></b>
...
		  <td BGCOLOR="#dddddd" WIDTH="55%">Your email address:</td>
		  <td WIDTH="33%"><input type="Text" name="email" size="30">
...
	<td BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Pick a password:</td>
...
	<td BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Reenter password to confirm:</td>
	<td><input type="Password" name="pw-conf" size="15"></td>
...
	  <center><input type="Submit" name="email-button"
value="Subscribe"></p></center>
...

    </form>

all you need to do is replace it with a php page that
a) asks for all the data you need
b) stores it in a database (which is quite trivial when you have the php
manual and know a little SQL, if not, i'd recommend to shop at
o'reilly's or to look on freshmeat for a simple php database application
to loot)
and is followed by another php page that sends the data needed by
mailman to ../subscribe/linux-audio-announce.

good luck,

j?rn




From courtney at 4th.com  Mon Jun  3 23:30:18 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:30:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <7382.1023037388@kanga.nu>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <200206020235.00060.courtney@4th.com> <7382.1023037388@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <200206031730.18034.courtney@4th.com>

On Sunday 02 June 2002 01:03 pm, J C Lawrence wrote:
> How about adding a section to the FAQ with this data?
>
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

I'll be glad to. What's the procedure for submitting this, and to whom do I
send the text? Or is it an open process where I can just post it out there
without involvement of anyone else in particular?

Scott

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon Jun  3 23:46:53 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:46:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and 
 possible bug
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <200206020235.00060.courtney@4th.com> <7382.1023037388@kanga.nu> <200206031730.18034.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <3CFBE3CD.69A123EB@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Scott Courtney wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 02 June 2002 01:03 pm, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > How about adding a section to the FAQ with this data?
> >
> >   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> I'll be glad to. What's the procedure for submitting this, and to whom do I
> send the text? Or is it an open process where I can just post it out there
> without involvement of anyone else in particular?

you can enter it in the faq-wizard. the password is "Mailman".




From stefaans at pop.co.za  Mon Jun  3 23:38:05 2002
From: stefaans at pop.co.za (Stefaans Mostert)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:38:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <200206031730.18034.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <7382.1023037388@kanga.nu> <200206031730.18034.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <200206032338.05074.stefaans@pop.co.za>

i would also like to have my recent discovery(browser) recorded in the faq
It could happen to someone else.

Stefaans

On Monday 03 June 2002 23:30, Scott Courtney wrote:
> On Sunday 02 June 2002 01:03 pm, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > How about adding a section to the FAQ with this data?
> >
> >   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
> I'll be glad to. What's the procedure for submitting this, and to whom do I
> send the text? Or is it an open process where I can just post it out there
> without involvement of anyone else in particular?
>
> Scott

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From mwinkle at att.com  Mon Jun  3 23:43:39 2002
From: mwinkle at att.com (Winkle, Mitchell (Mitch), MGSVC)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:43:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Tomcat 4.0.1 interoperability "How-To"
Message-ID: <052C1547D8395A4FA07B6B8A6FCD3F1B36330E@ACCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>

Is anyone interested in how to couple Mailman with Tomcat 4.0.1?  If so, reply to the list and I'll post my instructions.
 
Mitch Winkle

From kremels at kreme.com  Mon Jun  3 23:59:44 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:59:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to not affecting outlook
In-Reply-To: <001401c20b33$118bfde0$0b0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>
References: <001401c20b33$118bfde0$0b0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: <12162.216.160.165.242.1023141584.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>

<quote who="Chris Wiegand">
> I have to use Outlook at work, and I'm noticing that it appears that
> Outlook ignores the Reply-To: header when you hit reply - it replies to
> the From line. Is it possible to munge the From line as well in Mailman
> so that all posts appear to be coming from the list itself? I'm running
> 2.1b1 (I'll get around to updating one of these days).

You mean break mailman to account for MS stupidity?

Besides, isn't this configurable in Outllook?


-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)






From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Tue Jun  4 00:13:38 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:13:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to not affecting outlook
In-Reply-To: <12162.216.160.165.242.1023141584.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>
Message-ID: <002001c20b4b$ea265a70$0b0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>

Perhaps, I'm still looking around in Outlook for it.

I also thought I saw such an option somewhere, can't remember where, though.
Might have been daydreaming.

-----Original Message-----
From: LuKreme [mailto:kremels at kreme.com]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 16:00
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to not affecting outlook



<quote who="Chris Wiegand">
> I have to use Outlook at work, and I'm noticing that it appears that
> Outlook ignores the Reply-To: header when you hit reply - it replies to
> the From line. Is it possible to munge the From line as well in Mailman
> so that all posts appear to be coming from the list itself? I'm running
> 2.1b1 (I'll get around to updating one of these days).

You mean break mailman to account for MS stupidity?

Besides, isn't this configurable in Outllook?


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From kremels at kreme.com  Mon Jun  3 23:58:23 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:58:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-gid puzzler
In-Reply-To: <001301c20b2c$f93ee370$0100a8c0@ve7eje>
References: <001301c20b2c$f93ee370$0100a8c0@ve7eje>
Message-ID: <12159.216.160.165.242.1023141503.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>

<quote who="Rob Dover">
>--with-cgi-gid 48

--with-cgi-gid=48

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)






From hostmaster at shults.org  Tue Jun  4 00:59:07 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:59:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to not affecting outlook
In-Reply-To: <002001c20b4b$ea265a70$0b0fa8c0@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: <001601c20b52$4725d240$0432e7d8@artemis>

Note that depending on your privacy configs for the list, some header
info is changed on the mails sent through your list.  check the headers
of the message that you're trying to reply-to in outlook.  If the
"reply-to" line has an X in front of it, then it's just there as a
comment, not as a functional header line, change your privacy and
reply-to configs in the admin interface accordingly.

I'm using outlook XP on one of my boxes for testing and it's handling
replies to list messages correctly, but it does get confused by some
list configurations when 'reply-all' is clicked instead of 'reply'

~steven

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Chris Wiegand
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:14 PM
> To: 'LuKreme'; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Reply to not affecting outlook
> 
> 
> Perhaps, I'm still looking around in Outlook for it.
> 
> I also thought I saw such an option somewhere, can't remember 
> where, though.
> Might have been daydreaming.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LuKreme [mailto:kremels at kreme.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 16:00
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to not affecting outlook
> 
> 
> 
> <quote who="Chris Wiegand">
> > I have to use Outlook at work, and I'm noticing that it appears that
> > Outlook ignores the Reply-To: header when you hit reply - 
> it replies to
> > the From line. Is it possible to munge the From line as 
> well in Mailman
> > so that all posts appear to be coming from the list itself? 
> I'm running
> > 2.1b1 (I'll get around to updating one of these days).
> 
> You mean break mailman to account for MS stupidity?
> 
> Besides, isn't this configurable in Outllook?
> 
> 
> --
> You are responsible for your rose.
> "Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From rb at islandnet.com  Mon Jun  3 19:13:01 2002
From: rb at islandnet.com (Ron Brogden)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:13:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization
In-Reply-To: <KLECLPDKCOOAGHBCEHOBIEEECLAA.mike@net3media.com>
References: <KLECLPDKCOOAGHBCEHOBIEEECLAA.mike@net3media.com>
Message-ID: <E17F1yQ-000PBx-00@mail.islandnet.com>

On June 1, 2002 08:48 pm, mike at net3media.com wrote:
> I'm trying to make error pages and list view pages custom to the design of
> my site.
> The individual list pages are complete, but...
> Has anyone had any luck with this, or can anyone point me in the right
> direction?

I have successfully modded (if you can call my little tiny hack that) Mailman 
to use a custom error page and it was actually pretty simple.  

In "mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py":

def main():
    template_data = (
        ('listinfo.html',    'General list information page'),
        ('subscribe.html',   'Subscribe results page'),
        ('options.html',     'User specific options page'),
        ('handle_opts.html', 'Changing user options results page'),
        ('errors.html', 'Error Page'),
        )

Add the above "errors.html" line.  

In "mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py" add the following function:

def PrintErrorResults(mlist, results, doc):
    replacements = mlist.GetStandardReplacements()
    replacements['<mm-results>'] = results
    output = mlist.ParseTags('errors.html', replacements)
    doc.AddItem(output)
    print doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")

Then it is just a matter of going through the spots in the above directory 
that can cause an error page to display, such as the following in 
"subscribe.py":

if not form.has_key("info"):
            #doc.AddItem(Header(2, "Error"))
            results = ("<b>You must supply your email address</b>.")
            #doc.AddItem(Bold("You must supply your email address."))
            #doc.AddItem(mlist.GetMailmanFooter())
            #print doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")
            PrintErrorResults(mlist, results, doc)  <<< NEW
             return

Comment out the lines that send text to the doc object (i.e. print out right 
away) and instead use the new PrintErrorResults() function.

I can't perform a diff for you as I do not have a pristine copy of the source 
to work from but hopefully that is enough to get you started.

Cheers

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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Jun  4 06:20:41 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:20:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail loop for digest members
In-Reply-To: <MBEBJCOADEKFNGCMIPBPOEEADHAA.wayne@deerhurst.com>
References: <MBEBJCOADEKFNGCMIPBPOEEADHAA.wayne@deerhurst.com>
Message-ID: <20020604042041.GJ18804@merlins.org>

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 08:42:42PM -0400, wayne wrote:
> My ISP is running version 2.01 of Mailman on their Linux 7.2 box.
 
Lots of bugs were fixed since that version.
You should ask your ISP to upgrade to 2.0.11

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Jun  4 08:09:44 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:09:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman
In-Reply-To: <OE70JJVX7nuQmy2tmuX00003b29@hotmail.com>
References: <OE70JJVX7nuQmy2tmuX00003b29@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20020604060944.GK18804@merlins.org>

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 06:37:31PM -0400, Tony O wrote:
> Is there a limit to the number of subscribers the Mailman mailing list can
> have?

No, but the web interface gets noticeably slower when you start having
several tens of thousands.

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Jun  4 08:12:00 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:12:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-web interface
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011213140.22488-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011213140.22488-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>
Message-ID: <20020604061200.GM18804@merlins.org>

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:14:17PM -0500, Bob Stout wrote:
> I have a few users without web access. I know there's some sort of email
> interface to Mailman, but I haven't been able to locate any documentation
> on it. Help anyone?

send "help" to listname-request at yoursite.tld

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Jun  4 08:12:21 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:12:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Inaccessible archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011214590.22488-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011214590.22488-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>
Message-ID: <20020604061221.GN18804@merlins.org>

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:17:51PM -0500, Bob Stout wrote:
> According to the administration docs, if the list is in use and "Options
> FollowSymLinks" is enabled, then users should be able to get to the
> archives. Yet, everyone who tries gets the message, "You don't have
> permission to access /pipermail/diyspeakers/ on this server." I checked
> the file permissions, and they appeared to be OK. Any ideas?

Check your apache error logs

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Jun  4 08:12:50 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:12:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011219420.22634-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206011219420.22634-100000@snippets.brokersys.com>
Message-ID: <20020604061250.GO18804@merlins.org>

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:20:11PM -0500, Bob Stout wrote:
> Has anyone done any work on searchable archive, preferably with a web
> interface?

Look in the archives of this list, or in the patch manager on sf.net for the
htdig integration patch

Marc
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jun  4 09:37:03 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:37:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug 
In-Reply-To: Message from Stefaans Mostert <stefaans@pop.co.za> 
   of "Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:38:05 +0200." <200206032338.05074.stefaans@pop.co.za> 
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com> <7382.1023037388@kanga.nu> <200206031730.18034.courtney@4th.com>  <200206032338.05074.stefaans@pop.co.za> 
Message-ID: <9725.1023176223@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:38:05 +0200 
Stefaans Mostert <stefaans at pop.co.za> wrote:

> i would also like to have my recent discovery(browser) recorded in the
> faq It could happen to someone else.

Then please add it.

-- 
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From tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl  Tue Jun  4 09:44:51 2002
From: tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl (Tjalling Kikkert)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:44:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error log entries
Message-ID: <fc.0064ba7400429c620064ba7400429c62.429c8b@stageholding.nl>

Hi there,

my /home/mailman/logs/error keeps filling up with lines like:

Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219): Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):      kids = main(lock)
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 252, in main
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 121, in dispose_message
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist,
mimemsg):
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):      addrs = func(msg)
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 57, in process
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):      more = mfile.next()
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):   File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.2/multifile.py", line 121, in next
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):      while self.readline(): pass
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):   File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.2/multifile.py", line 93, in readline
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):      if marker ==
self.section_divider(sep):
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):   File
"/usr/local/lib/python2.2/multifile.py", line 157, in section_divider
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219):      return "--" + str
Jun 04 09:37:20 2002 qrunner(5219): TypeError :  cannot add type
"NoneType" to string 

I can't find a solution to get rid of these messages. Any ID's?

Tjalling Kikkert

Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.





From t.boeken at rdc.nl  Tue Jun  4 11:43:27 2002
From: t.boeken at rdc.nl (Tom Boeken)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:43:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] possible to add logo/image to footer?
Message-ID: <3CFC8BBF.1080603@rdc.nl>

Hi,

I would like add some Mailman logo/image to the footer of the email.
Is this possible?

Greetz,

Tom







From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Tue Jun  4 15:04:27 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:04:27 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple mailman dirs
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831701624509@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

Someone posted a comment about having multiple directories of mailman, to
create a grouping or hierarchy.

If this is done, what would the entries look like for the cgi-bin in
relation to ScriptAlias and the pipermail Alias.


Ed Rantanen




From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Tue Jun  4 16:59:00 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 04 Jun 2002 15:59:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large lists question
In-Reply-To: <20020603031239.GH32064@merlins.org>
References: <1022754831.8330.4.camel@taniz.org>
	<20020602221524.GH18804@merlins.org> <0af1f1330020362FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com> 
	<20020603031239.GH32064@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <1023202744.1407.6.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 04:12, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 10:34:47PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > Lets not forget about the biggest bottle neck of all... the Hard Drive.  
> > For maximum through-put, you need to use a SCSI drive or RAID array as the 
> > Disk Subsystem for the server.  If this is mission critical the obvious 
> > choice is a SCSI / RAID disk subsystem.
> 
> Actually if you have enough RAM, the whole config.pck should fit in the disk
> cache, so  it's not a  huge deal (but  yes, I use SCSI  and RAID for  all my
> servers)

Might be the case if your delivery system is different to your MLM
system.  Otherwise your MTA is going to do an awful lot of flushing
stuff at disk during the SMTP conversations.  [Does Mailman really not
fsync its delivery data during message delivery?]

Unless you are playing very fast and loose with the RFCs (821/2821) then
you'll find that an MTA is strongly disk (transaction) limited.   Hence
discussions about journalling filesystems with NVRAM journals :-)
Of course you probably *could* make a case for having less stringent
disk requirements on an MLM - as long as you ensured a crash would only
ever result in duplicate delivery - doing this could give you a
significant speed up.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From mwinkle at att.com  Tue Jun  4 19:42:41 2002
From: mwinkle at att.com (Winkle, Mitchell (Mitch), MGSVC)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:42:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integrating Mailman 2.0.8 with Tomcat 4.0.1
Message-ID: <052C1547D8395A4FA07B6B8A6FCD3F1B363312@ACCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>

<html><body>
<h4>Installation of Mailman</h4>
<strong>NOTE:</strong> These isntructions apply to Mailman version 2.0.8 and RedHat Linux version 7.0.  If you follow these instructions for installing Mailman and have installed Tomcat 4.0.1 in the /home directory, you may follow these instructions for other distributions as long as all dependencies for both Mailman and Tomcat 4.0.1 have been met.
<ol>
<li>Make a user by the name of <strong>mailman</strong> using linuxconf and make the home directory be<pre>/var/mailman</pre>
<li>Configure the Mailman directory structure : <pre>cd /var/mailman
chown mailman.mailman /var/mailman
chmod a+rx,g+ws /var/mailman</pre>
<li>Download mailman from <a href="http://www.list.org <http://www.list.org"> http://www.list.org">http://www.list.org</a>
<li>Use command : <pre>tar xvzf mailman-2.x.x.tgz</pre> to unpack the distribution
<li><pre>cd mailman-2.x.x</pre>
<li>Read instructions in INSTALL file of distribution : <pre>more INSTALL</pre>
<li>Configure the distribution : <pre>./configure --prefx=/var/mailman --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=root</pre>
<li>Install Mailman : <pre>make install</pre>
<li>Set up the cron jobs : <pre>su - mailman
cd /var/mailman/cron
crontab crontab.in</pre>
<li>Create link in smrsh for sendmail to work : <pre>cd /etc/smrsh
ln -s /var/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper</pre>
</ol>
<h4>Configuring Tomcat to work with Mailman</h4>
<ol>
<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/conf</pre
<li><pre>pico server.xml</pre>
<li>Find the section commented out that defines the CGI servlet and uncomment it
<li>Find the section below that which defines the CGI servlet pattern to match and uncomment it
<li>Save server.xml
<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps</pre>
<li><pre>/root/bin/newapp mailman</pre> <strong>NOTE: This assumes that the newapp script is installed in /root/bin and the path is properly set.  If it is not available, copy the script from one of the other servers</strong>
<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps/mailman/WEB-INF</pre>
<li><pre>ln -s /var/mailman/cgi-bin cgi</pre
<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps/ROOT</pre>
<li><pre>ln -s /var/mailman/archives/public pipermail</pre>
</ol>
<h4>Configuring Mailman to work with Tomcat 4.0.1</h4>
<p>
The standard scripts and HTML templates which come with the Mailman distribution will not work with Tomcat 4.0.1's CGI wrapper.  For some reason, METHOD=POST in the HTML forms that Mailman dynamically builds will break the CGI wrapper in Tomcat, so as a workaround you must laboriously go through all the files in the Mailman distribution which build HTML form templates and change <strong>METHOD=POST</strong> to <strong>METHOD=GET</strong>.
To the best of my knowledge these files are :
<pre>/var/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt
/var/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py
/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py
</pre>
Find <strong>METHOD=POST</strong> in all of these files and change it to <strong>METHOD=GET</strong> and save the file.
<h4>Restart the Tomcat 4.0.1 server</h4>
<pre>/root/bin/tomstop</pre>Wait for all java processes to stop by monitoring <pre>ps ax|grep java</pre>and then start Tomcat with <pre>/root/bin/tomstart</pre>
</p>
</body>
</html>

From mwinkle at att.com  Tue Jun  4 19:49:41 2002
From: mwinkle at att.com (Winkle, Mitchell (Mitch), MGSVC)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:49:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integrating Mailman 2.0.8 with Tomcat 4.0.1
Message-ID: <052C1547D8395A4FA07B6B8A6FCD3F1B363313@ACCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>

Friends.  Please excuse the proprietary shell script references to /root/bin/tomstart, /root/bin/tomstop, and /root/bin/newapp.  These are convenience scripts I use to start, stop and create new application file structures in Tomcat.  My apologies.
 
I'll make a more generic version of these instructions and try again.
 
Regards,
 
Mitch

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Winkle, Mitchell (Mitch), MGSVC 
	Sent: Tue 06/04/2002 1:42 PM 
	To: mailman-users at python.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [Mailman-Users] Integrating Mailman 2.0.8 with Tomcat 4.0.1
	
	

	<html><body> 
	<h4>Installation of Mailman</h4> 
	<strong>NOTE:</strong> These isntructions apply to Mailman version 2.0.8 and RedHat Linux version 7.0.  If you follow these instructions for installing Mailman and have installed Tomcat 4.0.1 in the /home directory, you may follow these instructions for other distributions as long as all dependencies for both Mailman and Tomcat 4.0.1 have been met.

	<ol> 
	<li>Make a user by the name of <strong>mailman</strong> using linuxconf and make the home directory be<pre>/var/mailman</pre>

	<li>Configure the Mailman directory structure : <pre>cd /var/mailman 
	chown mailman.mailman /var/mailman 
	chmod a+rx,g+ws /var/mailman</pre> 
	<li>Download mailman from <a href="http://www.list.org <http://www.list.org" <http://www.list.org> > http://www.list.org">http://www.list.org</a>

	<li>Use command : <pre>tar xvzf mailman-2.x.x.tgz</pre> to unpack the distribution 
	<li><pre>cd mailman-2.x.x</pre> 
	<li>Read instructions in INSTALL file of distribution : <pre>more INSTALL</pre> 
	<li>Configure the distribution : <pre>./configure --prefx=/var/mailman --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=root</pre> 
	<li>Install Mailman : <pre>make install</pre> 
	<li>Set up the cron jobs : <pre>su - mailman 
	cd /var/mailman/cron 
	crontab crontab.in</pre> 
	<li>Create link in smrsh for sendmail to work : <pre>cd /etc/smrsh 
	ln -s /var/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper</pre> 
	</ol> 
	<h4>Configuring Tomcat to work with Mailman</h4> 
	<ol> 
	<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/conf</pre 
	<li><pre>pico server.xml</pre> 
	<li>Find the section commented out that defines the CGI servlet and uncomment it 
	<li>Find the section below that which defines the CGI servlet pattern to match and uncomment it 
	<li>Save server.xml 
	<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps</pre> 
	<li><pre>/root/bin/newapp mailman</pre> <strong>NOTE: This assumes that the newapp script is installed in /root/bin and the path is properly set.  If it is not available, copy the script from one of the other servers</strong>

	<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps/mailman/WEB-INF</pre> 
	<li><pre>ln -s /var/mailman/cgi-bin cgi</pre 
	<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps/ROOT</pre> 
	<li><pre>ln -s /var/mailman/archives/public pipermail</pre> 
	</ol> 
	<h4>Configuring Mailman to work with Tomcat 4.0.1</h4> 
	<p> 
	The standard scripts and HTML templates which come with the Mailman distribution will not work with Tomcat 4.0.1's CGI wrapper.  For some reason, METHOD=POST in the HTML forms that Mailman dynamically builds will break the CGI wrapper in Tomcat, so as a workaround you must laboriously go through all the files in the Mailman distribution which build HTML form templates and change <strong>METHOD=POST</strong> to <strong>METHOD=GET</strong>.

	To the best of my knowledge these files are : 
	<pre>/var/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt 
	/var/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py 
	/var/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py 
	/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py 
	</pre> 
	Find <strong>METHOD=POST</strong> in all of these files and change it to <strong>METHOD=GET</strong> and save the file. 
	<h4>Restart the Tomcat 4.0.1 server</h4> 
	<pre>/root/bin/tomstop</pre>Wait for all java processes to stop by monitoring <pre>ps ax|grep java</pre>and then start Tomcat with <pre>/root/bin/tomstart</pre>

	</p> 
	</body> 
	</html> 
	1? 
	x%Lj)fju,z?) 
	hiZr'?+-wff??f!E 0+az+ ?
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From fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu  Tue Jun  4 19:53:40 2002
From: fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu (Myron Freeman)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:53:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limit by domain in mailman-2.1b2
Message-ID: <20020604175340.GB22827@gosalyn-mallard.mit.edu>

Is it possible to limit by domain name in the sender filters for
mailman-2.1b2?  If so, con someone send me a pointer to a crash course
in the syntax for it?  I don't know Python but from what I can tell,
its regular expressions look something like Perl's.

Thanks.

-Myron





From mwinkle at att.com  Tue Jun  4 19:56:25 2002
From: mwinkle at att.com (Winkle, Mitchell (Mitch), MGSVC)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:56:25 -0400
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Integrating Mailman 2.0.8 with Tomcat 4.0.1
Message-ID: <052C1547D8395A4FA07B6B8A6FCD3F1B363314@ACCLUST01EVS1.ugd.att.com>

<html><body> 
<h4>Installation of Mailman</h4> 
<strong>NOTE:</strong> These isntructions apply to Mailman version 2.0.8 and RedHat Linux version 7.0.  If you follow these instructions for installing Mailman and have installed Tomcat 4.0.1 in the /home directory, you may follow these instructions for other distributions as long as all dependencies for both Mailman and Tomcat 4.0.1 have been met.

	<ol> 
	<li>Make a user by the name of <strong>mailman</strong> using linuxconf and make the home directory be<pre>/var/mailman</pre>

	<li>Configure the Mailman directory structure : <pre>cd /var/mailman 
	chown mailman.mailman /var/mailman 
	chmod a+rx,g+ws /var/mailman</pre> 
	<li>Download mailman from <a href="http://www.list.org <http://www.list.org" <http://www.list.org> > http://www.list.org">http://www.list.org</a>

	<li>Use command : <pre>tar xvzf mailman-2.x.x.tgz</pre> to unpack the distribution 
	<li><pre>cd mailman-2.x.x</pre> 
	<li>Read instructions in INSTALL file of distribution : <pre>more INSTALL</pre> 
	<li>Configure the distribution : <pre>./configure --prefx=/var/mailman --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=root</pre> 
	<li>Install Mailman : <pre>make install</pre> 
	<li>Set up the cron jobs : <pre>su - mailman 
	cd /var/mailman/cron 
	crontab crontab.in</pre> 
	<li>Create link in smrsh for sendmail to work : <pre>cd /etc/smrsh 
	ln -s /var/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper</pre> 
	</ol> 
	<h4>Configuring Tomcat to work with Mailman</h4> 
	<ol> 
	<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/conf</pre 
	<li><pre>pico server.xml</pre> 
	<li>Find the section commented out that defines the CGI servlet and uncomment it 
	<li>Find the section below that which defines the CGI servlet pattern to match and uncomment it 
	<li>Save server.xml 
	<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps</pre> 
	<li>Create a new Tomcat application called <strong>mailman</strong>
	<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps/mailman/WEB-INF</pre> 
	<li><pre>ln -s /var/mailman/cgi-bin cgi</pre>
	<li>Edit the standard web.xml file (from the ROOT webapp) in this directory and add the following between the <pre><webapp></webapp> tags</pre>:<br>|
	<pre>
	<servlet-mapping>
	<servlet-name>cgi</servlet-name>
	<url-pattern>/*</url-pattern>
	</servlet-mapping>
	</pre>
	<li><pre>cd /home/jakarta-tomcat-4.0.1/webapps/ROOT</pre> 
	<li><pre>ln -s /var/mailman/archives/public pipermail</pre> 
	</ol> 
	<h4>Configuring Mailman to work with Tomcat 4.0.1</h4> 
	<p> 
	The standard scripts and HTML templates which come with the Mailman distribution will not work with Tomcat 4.0.1's CGI wrapper.  For some reason, METHOD=POST in the HTML forms that Mailman dynamically builds will break the CGI wrapper in Tomcat, so as a workaround you must laboriously go through all the files in the Mailman distribution which build HTML form templates and change <strong>METHOD=POST</strong> to <strong>METHOD=GET</strong>.

	To the best of my knowledge these files are : 
	<pre>/var/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt 
	/var/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py 
	/var/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py 
	/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py 
	</pre> 
	Find <strong>METHOD=POST</strong> in all of these files and change it to <strong>METHOD=GET</strong> and save the file. 
	<h4>Restart the Tomcat 4.0.1 server and test your configuration</h4> 
	</p> 
	</body> 
	</html> 
	


From doug at holdit.com  Tue Jun  4 19:58:10 2002
From: doug at holdit.com (Doug La Farge)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:58:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
Message-ID: <a05100328b922ab5ee36b@[24.121.11.34]>

I'm trying to use MailMan for its listserve features only.  In other 
words I have need for the web site interface. In fact, there will be 
only one person that sends to the list. I'd like to customize the 
email that is sent out to the list but cannot seem to find a template 
for that.  I'd like to remove things contained in the header 
including the following:


>List-Help: <mailto:sonjaspears-request at SonjaSpears.com?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:sonjaspears at SonjaSpears.com>
>List-Subscribe: <http://www.SonjaSpears.com/mailman/listinfo/sonjaspears>,
>	<mailto:sonjaspears-request at SonjaSpears.com?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Sonja Spears Mailing list <sonjaspears.SonjaSpears.com>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.SonjaSpears.com/mailman/listinfo/sonjaspears>,
>	<mailto:sonjaspears-request at SonjaSpears.com?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://www.SonjaSpears.com/pipermail/sonjaspears/>


As I'm using a MySQL table to pull email addresses for the list 
Canceling through the "normal" method "doesn't work".  Users will 
email the admin directly and they will remove them from the list via 
a seperate back-end feature not related to Mailman.

Anyone know where the template is that builds the email sent to list users?

-- 
-Doug




From doug at holdit.com  Tue Jun  4 20:00:37 2002
From: doug at holdit.com (Doug La Farge)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:00:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
Message-ID: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]>

I'm trying to use MailMan for its listserve features only.  In other 
words I have _NO_ (ooops) need for the web site interface. In fact, 
there will be only one person that sends to the list. I'd like to 
customize the email that is sent out to the list but cannot seem to 
find a template for that.  I'd like to remove things contained in the 
header including the following:


>List-Help: <mailto:sonjaspears-request at SonjaSpears.com?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:sonjaspears at SonjaSpears.com>
>List-Subscribe: <http://www.SonjaSpears.com/mailman/listinfo/sonjaspears>,
>	<mailto:sonjaspears-request at SonjaSpears.com?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Sonja Spears Mailing list <sonjaspears.SonjaSpears.com>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.SonjaSpears.com/mailman/listinfo/sonjaspears>,
>	<mailto:sonjaspears-request at SonjaSpears.com?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://www.SonjaSpears.com/pipermail/sonjaspears/>


As I'm using a MySQL table to pull email addresses for the list 
Canceling through the "normal" method "doesn't work".  Users will 
email the admin directly and they will remove them from the list via 
a seperate back-end feature not related to Mailman.

Anyone know where the template is that builds the email sent to list users?

-- 
-Doug




From victor.nuno at net70sistemas.com  Tue Jun  4 20:27:11 2002
From: victor.nuno at net70sistemas.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?V=EDctor_Nu=F1o?=)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:27:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: All recipients refused
Message-ID: <3CFD067F.7060501@net70sistemas.com>

Hello everyone,

I've just installed Mailman. I followed the INSTALL file and had no 
problem (including permissions). The problem that I find now is that 
somehow mailman can't send a single mail through Sendmail.

I can see in the logs the following:

    Jun 04 20:13:00 2002 (22207) All recipients refused: (111,
    'Connection refused')

    Jun 04 20:13:00 2002 (22207) post to test from
    mailman-owner at net70sistemas.com, size=1340, 1 failures
    Jun 04 20:13:00 2002 (22207) post to test from
    test-admin at net70sistemas.com, size=349, 1 failures

When I try to send a messege to the newly created test list, I receive a 
message to postmaster that says the following:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 47.  (Reconfigure to take 47?)
554 5.3.0 "|/usr/local/mailman-2.0.11/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2

I have considered the fact that I could have not configured well Mailman 
at the beginning, but I found that gid 47 goes for mailnull group! 
Anyway, my mailer (Sendmail) uses the typical "mail" user and group 
being gid 12.

So I guess that somehow I may have missed something to make mailman send 
mail through my mailer. Can anyone help, please?

Thanks in advance,

V?ctor Nu?o


-- 

/V?ctor Nu?o Nu?o/
Departamento de sistemas
victor.nuno at net70sistemas.com

Net 70 Sistemas S.A.
http://www.net70sistemas.com
Tlf.: +34 91 4314378
Fax: +34 91 5771483




From courtney at 4th.com  Tue Jun  4 21:07:05 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:07:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]>
References: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]>
Message-ID: <200206041507.05082.courtney@4th.com>

On Tuesday 04 June 2002 02:00 pm, Doug La Farge wrote:
>
> header including the following:
> >List-Help: <mailto:sonjaspears-request at SonjaSpears.com?subject=help>
> >List-Unsubscribe:

Are you sure you don't want to leave these two in? Generally it's considered
good netiquette to make it easy for people to exit a list of which they, for
whatever reason, no longer wish to be a member. Or they may wish to set their
subscriptions to digest mode, or temporarily turn off mail while on vacation.
The list-help address is useful in documenting how to do these things.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
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courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From doug at holdit.com  Tue Jun  4 21:15:41 2002
From: doug at holdit.com (Doug La Farge)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:15:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <200206041507.05082.courtney@4th.com>
References: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]>
 <200206041507.05082.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <a0510032cb922c0faf712@[24.121.11.34]>

The avenue for being removed is not through any Mailman 
functionality.  The footer for the email will have instructions for 
how to leave the list.  Basically, the user must email the Admin who 
will then remove the user from a Contact List manager - which is 
where all of the email addresses originate.  Again, I'm using 
separate functionality to collect email addresses. There is a one way 
stream from the MySQL database to the MailMan list. The Admin is 
using the list to send out a weekly news letter - that is the only 
piece of email that should ever be sent to the list.  With this in 
mind there is little instruction needed other than how to 
unsubscribe. It occurs to me that Mailman is overkill for our needs. 
I thought about hacking a script to edit the virtualusertable file 
with sendmail to simply send to an alias. This leaves a security hole 
- anyone can send to the alias which is not desired.

So where's the template for the email that's sent out? :-)



At 3:07 PM -0400 6/4/02, Scott Courtney wrote:
>On Tuesday 04 June 2002 02:00 pm, Doug La Farge wrote:
>>
>>  header including the following:
>>  >List-Help: <mailto:sonjaspears-request at SonjaSpears.com?subject=help>
>>  >List-Unsubscribe:
>
>Are you sure you don't want to leave these two in? Generally it's considered
>good netiquette to make it easy for people to exit a list of which they, for
>whatever reason, no longer wish to be a member. Or they may wish to set their
>subscriptions to digest mode, or temporarily turn off mail while on vacation.
>The list-help address is useful in documenting how to do these things.
>
>Scott
>
>--
>-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
>Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
>courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
>http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)
>
>
>
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>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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-- 
-Doug




From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Tue Jun  4 21:24:52 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:24:52 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the location of mailman
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD683170165FF70@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

I would like to change the directory that mailman is in, but when doing a
newlist, the echo comes up with /var/mailman/mail/wrapper

Where would I change this? 
I found a spot in Default.py but not sure if this is the only spot that
needs to be changed.

Ed Rantanen




From courtney at 4th.com  Tue Jun  4 21:41:32 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:41:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <a0510032cb922c0faf712@[24.121.11.34]>
References: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]> <200206041507.05082.courtney@4th.com> <a0510032cb922c0faf712@[24.121.11.34]>
Message-ID: <200206041541.32736.courtney@4th.com>

On Tuesday 04 June 2002 03:15 pm, Doug La Farge wrote:
[...]
> I thought about hacking a script to edit the virtualusertable file
> with sendmail to simply send to an alias. This leaves a security hole
> - anyone can send to the alias which is not desired.

I tend to agree that having e-mail access to scripts that update files
anywhere in /etc is a Very Bad Idea (TM) from a security standpoint.

>
> So where's the template for the email that's sent out? :-)
>

Look in the Mailman/Defaults.py file for the DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER parameter.
Don't change it in this file, but instead copy these lines to your own
Mailman/mm_cfg.py file and then edit as you wish.

This affects new lists being created. To change an existing list, the config
is stored under lists/<listname>/config.pck as a "pickle" file. You'll need
to use Python, preferably the web admin interface, to change it.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From doug at holdit.com  Tue Jun  4 21:58:45 2002
From: doug at holdit.com (Doug La Farge)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:58:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <200206041541.32736.courtney@4th.com>
References: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]>
 <200206041507.05082.courtney@4th.com>
 <a0510032cb922c0faf712@[24.121.11.34]>
 <200206041541.32736.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <a05100333b922c9f813ea@[24.121.11.34]>

>
>Look in the Mailman/Defaults.py file for the DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER parameter.
>Don't change it in this file, but instead copy these lines to your own
>Mailman/mm_cfg.py file and then edit as you wish.


This doesn't appear to be what I'm looking for.  DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER 
contains the default footer info that is easily editable through the 
admin interface under Regular-member (non-digest) Options.  I don't 
need this on a global level - just for one particular list.  The 
DEFAULT_MSG_HEADER is defaulted to blank. If I change that in the 
admin area it places that info below the lines I'm trying to get rid 
of.  Any other leads/ideas?

Thanks again....


>This affects new lists being created. To change an existing list, the config
>is stored under lists/<listname>/config.pck as a "pickle" file. You'll need
>to use Python, preferably the web admin interface, to change it.
>
>Scott
>
>--
>-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
>Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
>courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
>http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)
>
>
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>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py


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From kremels at kreme.com  Tue Jun  4 22:58:25 2002
From: kremels at kreme.com (LuKreme)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:58:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <a0510032cb922c0faf712@[24.121.11.34]>
References: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]>
        <200206041507.05082.courtney@4th.com>
        <a0510032cb922c0faf712@[24.121.11.34]>
Message-ID: <12618.216.160.165.242.1023224305.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>

<quote who="Doug La Farge">
> The avenue for being removed is not through any Mailman
> functionality.

why do you need mailman?

for $name in list_of_emails
 sendmail $name < letter.txt
end

(clean that up to talk to your SQL database and do the pulls, etc).

-- 
You are responsible for your rose.
"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)






From doug at holdit.com  Tue Jun  4 23:07:48 2002
From: doug at holdit.com (Doug La Farge)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:07:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: 
 <12618.216.160.165.242.1023224305.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>
References: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]>       
 <200206041507.05082.courtney@4th.com>       
 <a0510032cb922c0faf712@[24.121.11.34]>
 <12618.216.160.165.242.1023224305.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net>
Message-ID: <a05100300b922dae80ecf@[24.121.11.34]>

At 2:58 PM -0600 6/4/02, LuKreme wrote:
><quote who="Doug La Farge">
>>  The avenue for being removed is not through any Mailman
>>  functionality.
>
>why do you need mailman?

Because the user of this list needs to be able to send from their 
Outlook Express client with all the fancy images and formatting. 
It's a bit of a tedious job to "migrate" the email produced in 
Outlook containing all those either local or remote images to a web 
form or text file. Currently I have functionality that allows the 
Admin to send their newsletter via a web form interface but here 
again it's tough to get the images and formatting "just right".  I'm 
certainly open to suggestions on other ways of doing this but it 
needs to be "dumbed-down" to users that only understand Outlook 
Express.  Know what I mean? :-\

>for $name in list_of_emails
>  sendmail $name < letter.txt
>end
>
>(clean that up to talk to your SQL database and do the pulls, etc).

Yeah, I've got a basic little Perl script that already does this 
including the SQL pull. Heck, maybe I can have sendmail write the 
file to "letter.txt" and run a cron job to send it.  I guess the 
question is where will the images end up....

>--
>You are responsible for your rose.
>"Rule 5: Get Kirsten Dunst wet" (p 74 of Time 20-05-02)
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py


-- 
-Doug




From victor.nuno at net70sistemas.com  Tue Jun  4 23:14:00 2002
From: victor.nuno at net70sistemas.com (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?V=EDctor_Nu=F1o?=)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:14:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: All recipients refused
References: <3CFD067F.7060501@net70sistemas.com>
Message-ID: <3CFD2D98.4090608@net70sistemas.com>

Well, I finally solved it myself. I had two errors. One of them is that 
I HAD to configure Mailman as --with-mail-gid=mailnull. The other error 
was that I had anti-spam features that didn't allow any connection from 
localhost. So in this case I just had to edit the mm_cfg.py and change 
the appropiate line:  SMTPHOST = 'my_host_name' instead of having 
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'.

So, anyway, I hope I didn't bother you very much, and thanks to anyone 
that may have given a thought to my problem.

V?ctor Nu?o





From courtney at 4th.com  Tue Jun  4 23:40:44 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:40:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b922dae80ecf@[24.121.11.34]>
References: <a05100329b922b0b3240a@[24.121.11.34]> <12618.216.160.165.242.1023224305.squirrel@webmail.syth.serveftp.net> <a05100300b922dae80ecf@[24.121.11.34]>
Message-ID: <200206041740.44011.courtney@4th.com>

On Tuesday 04 June 2002 05:07 pm, Doug La Farge wrote:
> Because the user of this list needs to be able to send from their
> Outlook Express client with all the fancy images and formatting.
> It's a bit of a tedious job to "migrate" the email produced in
> Outlook containing all those either local or remote images to a web
> form or text file. Currently I have functionality that allows the
> Admin to send their newsletter via a web form interface but here
> again it's tough to get the images and formatting "just right".  I'm
> certainly open to suggestions on other ways of doing this but it
> needs to be "dumbed-down" to users that only understand Outlook
> Express.  Know what I mean? :-\

Perhaps you are working very hard to solve the wrong problem. If the users
truly need to fill out a web form, wouldn't it be easier to maintain that form
on the web site, and send a URL for the users to click? Practically all GUI-
based email clients now support clicking on URLs embedded even in plain-text
messages.

How many people receive this mailing? If you can reduce it down to plain text
with a link, or even a simple MIME message of Content-type: text/html, you
will greatly reduce the amount of bytes your MTA must handle and you will
improve performance. What you are proposing to do also will not work for
recipients who have HTML email turned off, as quite a few people do for
reasons of security or privacy.

If your users are nontechnical, putting the handling of the web forms totally
on the server allows you to give them much better direct support, allows you
to more easily leverage your previous work (I get the impression that there
are differences with every issue but also some fundamental similarities from
one to the next), and is compatible with a much larger variety of email
clients. It also allows you to make revisions and correct mistakes in the form
even after the emails are being sent.

I'm not trying to knock the application itself, but you asked for alternative
approaches and I'm suggesting one. Why try to turn an email program into a
web browser when users have a perfectly good browser already, and even the
most illiterate user can understand how to click on a link in a text message?

If you really must send out web forms, consider using the Perl, PHP, or Java
libraries that can generate multipart MIME messages, and then feeding the
output to a standard SMTP library function using the algorithm suggested by
another member of this list (basically a database row iteration). I agree with
the other poster -- if you are disabling all the subscribe/unsubscribe and
web-based features of Mailman, and using it only as a mass mailer, you are not
using 90% of its capabilities, and there are much better ways to accomplish
what you need, with less overhead and less complexity.

Perhaps if you could give us a better idea of the specifics of the application,
with particular regard to the form itself, as well as the size and nature of
the intended subscription base, we could offer further suggestions that are
more targeted to your needs. Nonetheless, I hope that one or more of the ideas
I've suggested above might be of benefit, perhaps triggering further ideas of
your own.

Kind regards,

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu  Wed Jun  5 00:56:22 2002
From: fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu (Myron Freeman)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:56:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limit by domain in mailman-2.1b2
In-Reply-To: <20020604175340.GB22827@gosalyn-mallard.mit.edu>
References: <20020604175340.GB22827@gosalyn-mallard.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20020604225622.GB26091@gosalyn-mallard.mit.edu>

Actually, I managed to answer my own question.  It looks I can limit
by domains in the sender filters.

-Myron

Myron Freeman (fletch1 at eddie.mit.edu) wrote:
> Is it possible to limit by domain name in the sender filters for
> mailman-2.1b2?  If so, con someone send me a pointer to a crash course
> in the syntax for it?  I don't know Python but from what I can tell,
> its regular expressions look something like Perl's.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Myron
> 
> 
> 




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Wed Jun  5 01:03:29 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b922dae80ecf@[24.121.11.34]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206041600570.4553-100000@localhost>

On Jun 4, 2002 at 14:07, Doug La Farge wrote:

>Because the user of this list needs to be able to send from their 
>Outlook Express client with all the fancy images and formatting. 

>Yeah, I've got a basic little Perl script that already does this 
>including the SQL pull. Heck, maybe I can have sendmail write the 
>file to "letter.txt" and run a cron job to send it.  I guess the 
>question is where will the images end up....

Scott Courtney has some very good suggestions. Here's mine. Have your
OE user send the form to a specific address on your mailserver.

Now the magic starts. Have sendmail (or whoever) hand the email off to
your perl script, which can then inject it back into the mail system
with appropriate SMTP envelopes, leaving the SMTP body alone.

I still prefer Scott's solution, but YMMV.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in
God.






From hostmaster at shults.org  Wed Jun  5 01:28:41 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:28:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206041600570.4553-100000@localhost>
Message-ID: <000901c20c1f$92f69bf0$0432e7d8@artemis>

I think scott basically said this, but to simplify matters:  if your
user wants to send a webpage instead of an email, post the webpage on
the intranet and email the URL to the intended recipients.

~steven

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Satya
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:03 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
> 
> 
> On Jun 4, 2002 at 14:07, Doug La Farge wrote:
> 
> >Because the user of this list needs to be able to send from their 
> >Outlook Express client with all the fancy images and formatting. 
> 
> >Yeah, I've got a basic little Perl script that already does this 
> >including the SQL pull. Heck, maybe I can have sendmail write the 
> >file to "letter.txt" and run a cron job to send it.  I guess the 
> >question is where will the images end up....
> 
> Scott Courtney has some very good suggestions. Here's mine. Have your
> OE user send the form to a specific address on your mailserver.
> 
> Now the magic starts. Have sendmail (or whoever) hand the email off to
> your perl script, which can then inject it back into the mail system
> with appropriate SMTP envelopes, leaving the SMTP body alone.
> 
> I still prefer Scott's solution, but YMMV.
> 
> -- 
> Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
> A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one 
> believe in
> God.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From doug at holdit.com  Wed Jun  5 02:13:34 2002
From: doug at holdit.com (Doug La Farge)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <000901c20c1f$92f69bf0$0432e7d8@artemis>
References: <000901c20c1f$92f69bf0$0432e7d8@artemis>
Message-ID: <a05100307b922ff5b9f03@[24.121.11.34]>

Thanks one and all for the ideas. LuKreme started me off on the "right" track.
I think I now have it dialed in.

using .procmailrc:

:0
* ^To:.*newsletter
* ^Subject:.*Newsletter
| ./sendletter.pl

Looking at sendletter.pl:

#!/usr/bin/perl
use Mail::Sendmail;

while (<>){ $email .= $_ }
$sql = "select email from users";
#loop the SQL call
%mail = ( To  => "#emailaddress",
         From    => 'ournewsletter at foo.com',
         Subject => 'Our weekly news letter',
         Message => "$email"
);
sendmail(%mail) or die $Mail::Sendmail::error;
#end the SQL call

Some trickery is still require to strip out all the header info and 
just grab the body.

So Mailman is bagged - and probably for the better.  It's cool so it 
will stay in my bag of tricks if needed again. If anyone is 
interested in the final script email me and let me know. I'll send 
you the full working version.

Again, thanks for all the input!


At 4:28 PM -0700 6/4/02, Steven Shults wrote:
>I think scott basically said this, but to simplify matters:  if your
>user wants to send a webpage instead of an email, post the webpage on
>the intranet and email the URL to the intended recipients.
>
>~steven
>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>>  [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Satya
>>  Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:03 PM
>>  To: mailman-users at python.org
>>  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
>>
>>
>>  On Jun 4, 2002 at 14:07, Doug La Farge wrote:
>>
>>  >Because the user of this list needs to be able to send from their
>>  >Outlook Express client with all the fancy images and formatting.
>>
>>  >Yeah, I've got a basic little Perl script that already does this
>>  >including the SQL pull. Heck, maybe I can have sendmail write the
>>  >file to "letter.txt" and run a cron job to send it.  I guess the
>>  >question is where will the images end up....
>>
>>  Scott Courtney has some very good suggestions. Here's mine. Have your
>>  OE user send the form to a specific address on your mailserver.
>>
>>  Now the magic starts. Have sendmail (or whoever) hand the email off to
>>  your perl script, which can then inject it back into the mail system
>>  with appropriate SMTP envelopes, leaving the SMTP body alone.
>>
>>  I still prefer Scott's solution, but YMMV.
>>
>>  --
>>  Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
>>  A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one
>>  believe in
>>  God.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------------------------------
>>  Mailman-Users mailing list
>>  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From hostmaster at shults.org  Wed Jun  5 04:36:01 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:36:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest sent to entire list, why?
Message-ID: <003101c20c39$be7dcd60$0432e7d8@artemis>

Hi,

I'm running 2.0.11

One of my new lists sent the first digest to the list posting address
today 
from listname-admin at hostname.tld 'on behalf of'
listname-request at hostname.tld
to listname at hostname.tld

Coincidentally(?) the time stamp matched that of a post I had approved
and which was sent at the same time as the digest.  It was a simple
plain text post I'd approved (mime is disabled for the list in
question.) 

My impression had been, from the digest settings I'd chosen in the admin
webgui, that the digest would only be sent to list members who had opted
to receive the digest instead of separate posts.  I'm baffled by the
digest having been mailed to the list posting address and therefore all
members of the list.  (and a thought which just came to mind, will the
digest be included in the next digest since it went to the list address?
ug.)

I've searched the admin webgui settings and found nothing, I've read the
readmes and found nothing, I searched
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py with all the strings and search
types I could think of and came up with nothing.  I browsed through the
TOC there and found nothing.

What am I overlooking?  How do I prevent the digest from being sent to
the entire list via the list's posting address?  I had 7 unsubs within
10 minutes of that going out, so I'd like to prevent a repeat.

tia,
~steven





From robd at ocis.net  Wed Jun  5 06:24:14 2002
From: robd at ocis.net (Rob Dover)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:24:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cgi-gid puzzler fixed
References: <20020604042202.19733.23658.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <002001c20c48$d9498d50$0100a8c0@ve7eje>

Thanks to LuKreme for showing me where I went wrong with the cgi-gid
setting.
Now I have another one that also has me stumped... I now have a list
configured but I can't subscribe to it.
I get the supscription page fine and submit the request. Mailman then sends
the confirmation e-mail ok which I then replies to. Mailman appears to
accept this but just sends it right back. Any mail sent to the list just
bounces right back to the sender which so far is just me. No users show up
in the user list.
check_perms reports no problems. The error logs don't seem to show anything
wrong. Crontabs seem OK.

I'm stumped! Any ideas?
TIA -Rob-





From hostmaster at shults.org  Wed Jun  5 06:43:35 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:43:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cgi-gid puzzler fixed
In-Reply-To: <002001c20c48$d9498d50$0100a8c0@ve7eje>
Message-ID: <003501c20c4b$90d7d6a0$0432e7d8@artemis>

what's the bounce error the mail to the list is sent back with?

what kind of error information is included when "Mailman appears to
accept this but just sends it right back." with the confirmation emails?

any UID or GID errors showing up in your maillogs?

~steven

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Rob Dover
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:24 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cgi-gid puzzler fixed
> 
> 
> Thanks to LuKreme for showing me where I went wrong with the cgi-gid
> setting.
> Now I have another one that also has me stumped... I now have a list
> configured but I can't subscribe to it.
> I get the supscription page fine and submit the request. 
> Mailman then sends
> the confirmation e-mail ok which I then replies to. Mailman appears to
> accept this but just sends it right back. Any mail sent to 
> the list just
> bounces right back to the sender which so far is just me. No 
> users show up
> in the user list.
> check_perms reports no problems. The error logs don't seem to 
> show anything
> wrong. Crontabs seem OK.
> 
> I'm stumped! Any ideas?
> TIA -Rob-
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From rca at spin.ch  Wed Jun  5 09:27:59 2002
From: rca at spin.ch (Ramon Cahenzli)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:27:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Even posts to unrestricted lists require admin approval
Message-ID: <1023262079.3cfdbd7f4250b@newwebmail.spin.ch>

Hello

I have set up Mailman 2.0.11 (upgrade from 2.0.8, problem present there too), sendmail 
8.10.2 on a Linux 2.2.16 box. So far everything runs perfectly well, i.e. posts come through 
to the wrapper and are sent out.

The DNS situation is that Mailman is running on a webserver (www.foo.com) which has an 
MX list entry for foo.com at highest priority. All mailing lists are instructed to prefer 
"foo.com" as domain name instead of www.foo.com. This actually works just as expected 
so far - mails to foo_list at foo.com get through to the wrapper.

I have two mailing lists with EXACTLY the same settings. The only difference is that they 
have different members. Both are unrestricted, in "Privacy Options" the option "Must posts 
be approved by an administrator?" is set to No, member_posting_only is off, "Addresses of 
members accepted for posting.." is empty. 

For list 1 all posts (whether from a member or no) are held for approval and I get a message 
on the admin e-mail. On list 2 all posts go through just fine.

What am I doing wrong? I fail to see the error after several hours of trying various things. 
Even deleted one of the lists and recreated it just to see what would happen -- same 
situation.

Thanks

Ramon




From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Wed Jun  5 10:05:12 2002
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: 05 Jun 2002 10:05:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple reply-to adresses?
Message-ID: <1023264312.10746.35.camel@atlas>

Yo!

Mailman (stable - 2.0.9-1 Debian pkg) seems to not allow multiple
adresses in a Reply-To: field (set via web interface as explicit return
address), while many mailers do not have a problem with it.

Are there any (good ;) reasons against multiple Reply-To addresses?

cheers & thanks for answers
-- vbi


(no cc: please)
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Jun  5 10:09:24 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:09:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple reply-to adresses?
In-Reply-To: <1023264312.10746.35.camel@atlas>
References: <1023264312.10746.35.camel@atlas>
Message-ID: <20020605080924.GK3277@merlins.org>

On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 10:05:12AM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> Yo!
> 
> Mailman (stable - 2.0.9-1 Debian pkg) seems to not allow multiple
> adresses in a Reply-To: field (set via web interface as explicit return
> address), while many mailers do not have a problem with it.
> 
> Are there any (good ;) reasons against multiple Reply-To addresses?

That's fixed in mailman 2.1b2

Marc
-- 
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From sinan at sinan.physics.metu.edu.tr  Wed Jun  5 10:22:27 2002
From: sinan at sinan.physics.metu.edu.tr (Sinan Kaan Yerli)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:22:27 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Header
In-Reply-To: <a05100307b922ff5b9f03@[24.121.11.34]>;
	from doug@holdit.com on Tue, 04/06/2002 17:13:34
References: <000901c20c1f$92f69bf0$0432e7d8@artemis> <a05100307b922ff5b9f03@[24.121.11.34]>
Message-ID: <20020605112227.A20398@sinan.physics.metu.edu.tr>

(04/06/2002 17:13) Doug La Farge:

>using .procmailrc:
>
>:0
>* ^To:.*newsletter
>* ^Subject:.*Newsletter
>| ./sendletter.pl
>
>Looking at sendletter.pl:
>
>#!/usr/bin/perl
>use Mail::Sendmail;
>
>while (<>){ $email .= $_ }
>$sql = "select email from users";
>#loop the SQL call
>%mail = ( To  => "#emailaddress",
>         From    => 'ournewsletter at foo.com',
>         Subject => 'Our weekly news letter',
>         Message => "$email"
>);
>sendmail(%mail) or die $Mail::Sendmail::error;
>#end the SQL call
>
>Some trickery is still require to strip out all the header info and 
>just grab the body.

It can easily be done within the procmail recipe:

:0
* SELECTING RULES
{
	:0 fBw
	| sendletter.pl

	# apply further rules to the MAIL e.g save to another mailbox
	# or pipe/save into /dev/null
	# ...
	:0 a.....
	...
}

The trick is the "B" switch: "f"ilter "B"ody and "w"ait.

-- 
Sinan Kaan Yerli <sinan at skyerli.org>




From angelo at colegioanchieta.g12.br  Wed Jun  5 13:09:25 2002
From: angelo at colegioanchieta.g12.br (Angelo Marcos Rigo)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 08:09:25 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] store more data than email
Message-ID: <FA9927022B14E0458886F26129CBF2031A4A65@AEX01.anchieta.local>

Hi list,

I actually need to store more data from the user than his email, 
in a way to make marketing considerations, in a sql database;
can it be done at the subscription moment ? and make any relationship
that can remove the data if the user unsubscribe? or at least, fill an
column saying the user 
has unsubscribed?

?ngelo Marcos Rigo
Webmaster Col?gio Anchieta
http://www.colegioanchieta.g12.br
 




From adam at ukclubbing.com  Wed Jun  5 22:31:29 2002
From: adam at ukclubbing.com (Adam Giddens)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:31:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Messages..
Message-ID: <002a01c20ccf$f90f7aa0$204c27d9@UKCLUBBING>

Hi,
 
Is it possible to set mailman to remove bouncing addresses
automatically? I have set mailman to send replies to the list and have
set the options in the bounce menu to '0' but it doesn't seem to be
working..
 
Have I done something wrong? Can anyone help?
 
Ad.
 
Adam Giddens
UKCLUBBING.COM LTD
The UK Dance Music Magazine
 
p: 01442 824990
f: 01442 218323
m: 07980 223075
e: adam at ukclubbing.com
w: 5, Parsonage Place, Tring, Herts, HP23 5AT
 
 <http://www.ukclubbing.com/> http://www.ukclubbing.com
 
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From uckelman at nomic.net  Wed Jun  5 22:41:03 2002
From: uckelman at nomic.net (Joel Uckelman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:41:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bizarre archiving problem
Message-ID: <20020605204103.16032.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx>

I've been having a problem with archiving that has me puzzled:

One of my list's archives displays in each message's From header the user's
address followed by his name in parentheses. Another of my list's archives 
displays the list address in the From field in place of the user's address, 
again followed by his name in parentheses. What's driving me crazy is that
a dumpdb on each list's config.db shows that the lists have the *same* 
settings for any attributes that seem relevant! Both have anonymous_list = 
0, which is what I thought controlled address replacement, and no address 
replacement shows up in the raw mboxes.

You can take a look at the text archives here:

http://lists.ellipsis.cx/pipermail/testlist/2002-June.txt
http://lists.ellipsis.cx/pipermail/eia/2002-June.txt

Where in the archiver code do such replacements take place? I found 
process() function in Cleanse.py where a block that does such substitutions 
is executed if
anonymous_list is true, but I don't see any place in the archiver code that 
calls process().

If anyone can tell me what's going on here, please do. I'm stumped.

-- 
J.






From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Thu Jun  6 00:34:30 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:34:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recover a passwd!
Message-ID: <20020605223430.20938.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there!

   How can i recover a password from a list???

Thanks a lot!!!

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
La emoci?n e intensidad del deporte en Yahoo! Deportes. http://deportes.yahoo.com.mx




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Jun  6 00:39:49 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recover a passwd!
Message-ID: <200206052240.g55MekOl026163@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Hi there!
> 
>    How can i recover a password from a list???
> 
> Thanks a lot!!!
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> La emoci?n e intensidad del deporte en Yahoo! Deportes. 
http://deportes.yahoo.com.mx
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

>>>>>>>>>>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Thu Jun  6 00:52:18 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:52:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting held-messages...
Message-ID: <20020605225218.95787.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a cron to delete held-messages, but after that
i can see there is a lot of new held-messages again. I
want to know why appear in mailman once again those
messages?????

Thanks a lot!!!! 

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
La emoci?n e intensidad del deporte en Yahoo! Deportes. http://deportes.yahoo.com.mx




From hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org  Thu Jun  6 01:43:12 2002
From: hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org (hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:43:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: digest sent to list posting address, why?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206051642020.8777-100000@rattletrap.shults.org>

hmm, well, if no ideas, can anyone confirm whether or not this is expected 
or unexpected behavior?

would a list of related settings from the admin webgui be useful?

tia,
~steven

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven [mailto:steven at shults.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 7:28 PM
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: digest sent to entire list, why?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running 2.0.11
> 
> One of my new lists sent the first digest to the list posting 
> address today 
> from listname-admin at hostname.tld 'on behalf of' 
> listname-request at hostname.tld
> to listname at hostname.tld
> 
> Coincidentally(?) the time stamp matched that of a post I had 
> approved and which was sent at the same time as the digest.  
> It was a simple plain text post I'd approved (mime is 
> disabled for the list in question.) 
> 
> My impression had been, from the digest settings I'd chosen 
> in the admin webgui, that the digest would only be sent to 
> list members who had opted to receive the digest instead of 
> separate posts.  I'm baffled by the digest having been mailed 
> to the list posting address and therefore all members of the 
> list.  (and a thought which just came to mind, will the 
> digest be included in the next digest since it went to the 
> list address? ug.)
> 
> I've searched the admin webgui settings and found nothing, 
> I've read the readmes and found nothing, I searched 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py with all the strings 
> and search types I could think of and came up with nothing.  
> I browsed through the TOC there and found nothing.
> 
> What am I overlooking?  How do I prevent the digest from 
> being sent to the entire list via the list's posting address? 
>  I had 7 unsubs within 10 minutes of that going out, so I'd 
> like to prevent a repeat.
> 
> tia,
> ~steven
> 





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Jun  6 01:45:52 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:45:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: digest sent to list posting address, why?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206051642020.8777-100000@rattletrap.shults.org>
Message-ID: <B923F0C0.3EA6B%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 6/5/02 4:43 PM, "hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org"
<hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org> wrote:


>> One of my new lists sent the first digest to the list posting
>> address today 
>> from listname-admin at hostname.tld 'on behalf of'
>> listname-request at hostname.tld
>> to listname at hostname.tld


Did you check the Received: lines to make sure this thing didn't make a
round trip through some user's mail client? Because that "on behalf of"
sounds an awful lot like it got forwarded or redirected. Take a look at a
set of full headers to see whether maybe it got sent out normally, and then
someone who received it did this to you.... Um, for you. Um...


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Very funny, Scotty. Now beam my clothes down here, will you?






From hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org  Thu Jun  6 02:00:08 2002
From: hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org (hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:00:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: digest sent to list posting address, why?
In-Reply-To: <B923F0C0.3EA6B%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206051651050.8839-100000@rattletrap.shults.org>



thanks for the idea chuq, but I'm fairly certain the the 'on belhalf of'
is a result of mailman's "Show member addrs so they're not directly
recognizable as email addrs?" feature under 'privacy options' which I do
have set to 'yes' for the list in question.

Full headers on the message in question follow here:

Return-Path: <discussion-admin at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org>
Delivered-To: steven at speakeasy.net
Received: (qmail 26787 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 21:45:08 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO rattletrap.shults.org) ([216.231.50.34]) 
(envelope-sender <discussion-admin at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org>)
          by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP
          for <steven at speakeasy.net>; 4 Jun 2002 21:45:08 -0000
Received: from rattletrap.shults.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
	by rattletrap.shults.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id 
g54Lk3001611
	for <steven at speakeasy.net>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:46:03 -0700
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:45:04 -0700
Message-ID: <20020604214504.1589.73229.Mailman at rattletrap.shults.org>
From: discussion-request at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
Subject: discussion digest, Vol 1 #1 - 20 msgs
X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.11
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/mixed; 
boundary=216.231.50.34.503.1589.1023227104.823.6791
To: discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
Sender: discussion-admin at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
Errors-To: discussion-admin at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
X-BeenThere: discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
X-Reply-To: discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
List-Help: 
<mailto:discussion-request at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org>
List-Subscribe: 
<http://lists.shakespeare-monologues.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion>,
	
<mailto:discussion-request at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: A discussion list with an online archive <br>for users of 
shakespeare-monologues.org <discussion.lists.shakespeare-monologues.org>
List-Unsubscribe: 
<http://lists.shakespeare-monologues.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion>,
	
<mailto:discussion-request at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org?subject=unsubscribe>



On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> On 6/5/02 4:43 PM, "hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org"
> <hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> >> One of my new lists sent the first digest to the list posting
> >> address today 
> >> from listname-admin at hostname.tld 'on behalf of'
> >> listname-request at hostname.tld
> >> to listname at hostname.tld
> 
> 
> Did you check the Received: lines to make sure this thing didn't make a
> round trip through some user's mail client? Because that "on behalf of"
> sounds an awful lot like it got forwarded or redirected. Take a look at a
> set of full headers to see whether maybe it got sent out normally, and then
> someone who received it did this to you.... Um, for you. Um...
> 
> 
> 





From hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org  Thu Jun  6 02:07:59 2002
From: hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org (hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:07:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: digest sent to list posting address, why?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206051651050.8839-100000@rattletrap.shults.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206051706340.8948-100000@rattletrap.shults.org>

DOH!  

I just compared those headers to another email.  "Delivered-to:"

uh, seems I subscribed that address to test the digest and promptly forgot 
I'd done so.

I'll just go stand in the corner now.

Thanks for listing, hope it provided some amusement at least.
*sheepish grin*

~steven

On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> thanks for the idea chuq, but I'm fairly certain the the 'on belhalf of'
> is a result of mailman's "Show member addrs so they're not directly
> recognizable as email addrs?" feature under 'privacy options' which I do
> have set to 'yes' for the list in question.
> 
> Full headers on the message in question follow here:
> 
> Return-Path: <discussion-admin at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org>
> Delivered-To: steven at speakeasy.net
> Received: (qmail 26787 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2002 21:45:08 -0000
> Received: from unknown (HELO rattletrap.shults.org) ([216.231.50.34]) 
> (envelope-sender <discussion-admin at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org>)
>           by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP
>           for <steven at speakeasy.net>; 4 Jun 2002 21:45:08 -0000
> Received: from rattletrap.shults.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
> 	by rattletrap.shults.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id 
> g54Lk3001611
> 	for <steven at speakeasy.net>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:46:03 -0700
> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:45:04 -0700
> Message-ID: <20020604214504.1589.73229.Mailman at rattletrap.shults.org>
> From: discussion-request at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
> Subject: discussion digest, Vol 1 #1 - 20 msgs
> X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.11
> MIME-version: 1.0
> Content-type: multipart/mixed; 
> boundary=216.231.50.34.503.1589.1023227104.823.6791
> To: discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
> Sender: discussion-admin at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
> Errors-To: discussion-admin at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
> X-BeenThere: discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11
> Precedence: bulk
> Reply-To: discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
> X-Reply-To: discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org
> List-Help: 
> <mailto:discussion-request at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org?subject=help>
> List-Post: <mailto:discussion at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org>
> List-Subscribe: 
> <http://lists.shakespeare-monologues.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion>,
> 	
> <mailto:discussion-request at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org?subject=subscribe>
> List-Id: A discussion list with an online archive <br>for users of 
> shakespeare-monologues.org <discussion.lists.shakespeare-monologues.org>
> List-Unsubscribe: 
> <http://lists.shakespeare-monologues.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion>,
> 	
> <mailto:discussion-request at lists.shakespeare-monologues.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> 
> > On 6/5/02 4:43 PM, "hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org"
> > <hostmaster at rattletrap.shults.org> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > >> One of my new lists sent the first digest to the list posting
> > >> address today 
> > >> from listname-admin at hostname.tld 'on behalf of'
> > >> listname-request at hostname.tld
> > >> to listname at hostname.tld
> > 
> > 
> > Did you check the Received: lines to make sure this thing didn't make a
> > round trip through some user's mail client? Because that "on behalf of"
> > sounds an awful lot like it got forwarded or redirected. Take a look at a
> > set of full headers to see whether maybe it got sent out normally, and then
> > someone who received it did this to you.... Um, for you. Um...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From allan at abrahamse.org  Thu Jun  6 02:11:43 2002
From: allan at abrahamse.org (allan at abrahamse.org)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:11:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem using windows XP
Message-ID: <001401c20cee$bf07bba0$6601a8c0@isaac>

Ever since I upgraded to windows XP, I have been unable to make any administrative changes to the Mailman mailing lists I manage. I can reach any administrative page OK, but when I try to implement a change, I return to the password page. This happens even when I set my browser to "accept all cookies," and even if I clear all the cookies and start over. If I log onto the administrative page from a non-XP computer, things work fine. Has anyone else had this problem?
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From esandquist at ihms.net  Thu Jun  6 02:12:11 2002
From: esandquist at ihms.net (Eric Sandquist)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains
Message-ID: <LAEOJCOHMABIMDAGOHNGOEEKHIAA.esandquist@ihms.net>

Has anybody gotten the virtual domain functionality to work?  I need it for
my box.  I have a dedicated server with serveral domains on it.  I want to
switch all the majordomo stuff to mailman, if possible.

Also, is there any cgi or php pages developed to enable a user, once inside
one of the sites,  to create his/her own list?

Thanks...

Eric
Systems Engineer - IHMS.net

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From greybeard at pobox.com  Thu Jun  6 02:24:33 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:24:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Messages..
References: <002a01c20ccf$f90f7aa0$204c27d9@UKCLUBBING>
Message-ID: <008801c20cf0$88913fe0$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

MessageAdam, take a look at logs/bounce ... do you see the bounces in there?  My own mailman is set up to bounce after 5 days but you can change this to whatever you like.

One thing that I have found is that mailman seems to require a "standard" bounce message.  It appears that those without DSN status are not recognized, perhaps that's happening to you?

I can tell you that mailman does do the unsub* properly when configured to do it.

----
Bill W
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adam Giddens 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Messages..


  Hi,

  Is it possible to set mailman to remove bouncing addresses automatically? I have set mailman to send replies to the list and have set the options in the bounce menu to '0' but it doesn't seem to be working..

  Have I done something wrong? Can anyone help?

  Ad.

  Adam Giddens
  UKCLUBBING.COM LTD
  The UK Dance Music Magazine

  p: 01442 824990
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  w: 5, Parsonage Place, Tring, Herts, HP23 5AT

  http://www.ukclubbing.com

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From Topaz11green at aol.com  Thu Jun  6 04:32:16 2002
From: Topaz11green at aol.com (Topaz11green at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:32:16 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives
Message-ID: <9f.283f9a86.2a3023b0@aol.com>

Hello,

I've searched the archives, the FAQ and google and couldn't find the answer 
to this question. So, any help is appreciated.

I'm moving our lists from Majordomo to Mailman and have set up a test list 
where I've sent some test messages from several different e-mail accounts. I 
have the following configuration options set:

General:
Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended 
for most mailing lists. This list
Privacy:
Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes 
From, Sender and Reply-To fields)  No
 
When I look at the archives on the web, if the "From:" field in the test.mbox 
file is in the format of "Poster Name" <somebody at example.com> or else Poster 
Name <somebody at example.com>then Poster Name is displayed as the Author. If 
the "From:" field is in the format of someone at example.com (this is how I've 
seen the headers from my AOL account) then the Author is the list e-mail 
address.

When I look at the archived message in either case, the e-mail address of the 
author is the list e-mail address.

If I change the "Reply-To:" option from "This List" to "Poster" then the 
author in the archives html file is the actual author, not the list, and the 
author's e-mail address is given.

Since this is a discussion list, it's useful to have the "Reply-To:" option 
set up as "This List."

The archive of this list is private and subscription needs to be authorized. 
It would be useful for our users to see who actually wrote something, rather 
than the listname in the author field.

E-mail works fine, it's just the archives, which my users really want, that 
are confusing me.

Thanks for your help.

-Susan




From jeff at cia.net  Thu Jun  6 05:26:10 2002
From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 23:26:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Flaw or feature? moderated lists & non-member posts
Message-ID: <20020606032608.GA3391@agent.cia.net>

I've been testing some sample mailing lists and trying to "break the 
rules" for my environment.

For example, I created a list and configured it to be moderated.  Then, I 
posted a message to the list from a non-member account.

One would expect (or atleast I would) that the administration interface 
would say something along the lines of "Post from non-member", but the 
fact is that doesn't occur.

Instead, the fact that the list is moderated takes precedent and you get a 
message along these lines:

"Post to moderated list"

While this is technically correct, a moderated list may wish to bounce 
non-member submissions.  Otherwise, an unsuspecting individual may simply 
approve a post because it appears to be "on topic", and not have a clue 
that the individual is not a member of the list.

If this a flaw?  A bug?

Obviously there has to be a way to make the list say "Post from 
non-member" even if the list is in moderated mode.  The question is, if 
you approve a non-member post at that point, does it get re-injected and 
come up as a post submitted to a moderated list, or does it just go 
through?  (I prefer the latter)

Am I barking up the wrong tree?  Is this not an order of precedence issue?

I'm sort of stumped on it.  I have a specific list I'd like to run that is 
strictly limited to members only.  Due to the volume of subscribers, it is 
clearly possible that someone wouldn't realize a post came from a 
non-subscriber in this scenario.

-Jeff





From benjamincyoung at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  6 07:17:47 2002
From: benjamincyoung at hotmail.com (Benjamin Young)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:17:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribeak.txt modifications
Message-ID: <OE24cOM1ojOrCUdTd49000095d4@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

First -- thank you for everyone's help figuring out how to customize the
actual welcome message (not the prepend text).

Now, for the problem: I'd like to know if there is a command that needs to
be included in subscribeack.txt that would pull the prepend message and
insert properly (and that probably got erased when they made
subscribeack.txt blank).

Here are the details: I'd like to leave the welcome message blank (as
suggested on this list), so that the prepend text becomes the entire
message. I don't have access to the server but my host has been trying out
all the suggestions you provided.

When the subscribeack.txt is left blank, the prepend portion never appeared
and the welcome message is blank. I figured maybe there had to be something
to prepend above, so had the admin insert a line of text - but the welcome
message now only includes that one line, never the prepended text.

This is what made me think some sort of string needs to be inserted to force
subscribeack.txt to included the proper pre-pend info.

My host's admin could not find any command or variable that would do this
and I don't have access to a Unix machine, so I can't look at the help
files. I did a thorough search of the archives and could only find
suggestions that the subscribeack.txt file be left blank, and prepend text
would automatically appear.

Thanks! Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
Benjamin




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Jun  6 14:07:24 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:07:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting held-messages...
In-Reply-To: <20020605225218.95787.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020605225218.95787.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0f4c04402120662FE4@mail4.nc.rr.com>

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#1.12

You need to clean out the data in request.db (or copy a blank copy of the 
database over the full one).

Jon Carnes

On Wednesday 05 June 2002 06:52 pm, David Sammons wrote:
> I have a cron to delete held-messages, but after that
> i can see there is a lot of new held-messages again. I
> want to know why appear in mailman once again those
> messages?????
>
> Thanks a lot!!!!
>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Jun  6 14:19:22 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:19:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <LAEOJCOHMABIMDAGOHNGOEEKHIAA.esandquist@ihms.net>
References: <LAEOJCOHMABIMDAGOHNGOEEKHIAA.esandquist@ihms.net>
Message-ID: <0a8ce4114120662FE6@mail6.nc.rr.com>

Mailman works great with Virtual domains with these caveats:

 - Your lists must all have different names in the root domain.  So the 
virtual lists dev at tom.org, dev at dick.com, and dev at harri.edu might have the 
following root names: dev-tom at my3sons.net, dev-dick at my3sons.net, 
dev-harry at my3sons.net.

- You setup your MTA to handle the virtual addresses.  If your using 
Sendmail, then you must use the "generics" tables to setup reverse mapping 
for the email addresses (so outbound messages look like they are coming 
from the virtual domain).  Note: most folks find it easier to us Postfix or 
Exim instead of Sendmail when doing virtual hosting.

Take care and good luck!

Jon Carnes
===
On Wednesday 05 June 2002 08:12 pm, Eric Sandquist wrote:
> Has anybody gotten the virtual domain functionality to work?  I need it
> for my box.  I have a dedicated server with serveral domains on it.  I
> want to switch all the majordomo stuff to mailman, if possible.
>
> Also, is there any cgi or php pages developed to enable a user, once
> inside one of the sites,  to create his/her own list?
>
> Thanks...
>
> Eric
> Systems Engineer - IHMS.net
>
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From ben at 2xl.com  Thu Jun  6 18:42:52 2002
From: ben at 2xl.com (Ben Kempner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:42:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrative posts only?
Message-ID: <003b01c20d79$36daad60$0500000a@awesome>

Is there a way to make it so only the list administrator (one e-mail address) can post messages to the list?

Any help is greatly appreciated,
Ben
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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jun  6 21:11:16 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 12:11:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MimeFilter integration with Mailman
In-Reply-To: Message from J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> 
   of "Sun, 02 Jun 2002 15:34:10 PDT." <12017.1023057250@kanga.nu> 
References: <12017.1023057250@kanga.nu> 
Message-ID: <28871.1023390676@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 02 Jun 2002 15:34:10 -0700 
J C Lawrence <J> wrote:

> --<cut>-- 
> #!/bin/bash

> # Syntax:
> #
> # mimestrip <action> <target>
> #
> # Both arguments will be passed to /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper 
> # in the same order, without change.
> #
> # All other arguments will be gleefully discarded.
> #
> # Author: J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu>
> #
...
> --<cut>--

I've been running this for 3 days on two of my medium traffic lists in
safety mode where in maintains mboxes of the messages before and after
filtering.

  $ ls -l /tmp/mimestrip.p*
  -rw------- 1 nobody nogroup  526210 Jun 6 11:45 /tmp/mimestrip.postfilter
  -rw------- 1 nobody nogroup 1225122 Jun 6 11:45 /tmp/mimestrip.prefilter

That's quite a difference for 3 days: 682KB.  Quick examination of the
differences suggests that the majority (over 80%) of it is KLEZ and
various other virii.  The particularly nice thing about this is that
within those same three days no virus messages have made it thru to the
moderation queue for the subject lists, and only two SPAM messages have
made it thru to the moderation queues.  That's a considerable decrease
from prior rates.  As you can see from the numbers as well, its also a
considerable byteage decrease, resulting in a more responsive moderation
interface (I typically moderate queues of 20 - 40 valid messages at a
time with the entire message in the "excerpt" textarea, so reducing the
total size of the submitted form is valued).

Very pleasant.

The relevant aspects of my mimefilter.rc:

--<cut>--
@::ammessi = (
              'text/plain',
              'application/pgp-signature',
              'message/rfc822',
              );
@::nonammessi = (
                  'text/html',
                  'application/octet-stream',
                  'message/digest',
                  'text/enriched',
                  'text/richtext'
                 );
--<cut>--

I've also re-written the various email reply messages.  Those interested
can find a copy of the relevant files here:

  ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/kanga.Nu/mimestrip

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From armandoem at prodigy.net.mx  Sun Jun  2 19:15:30 2002
From: armandoem at prodigy.net.mx (Armando Elizondo)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 12:15:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <ABEKKNNFIBIMEGPBKDMMCEEHCAAA.armandoem@prodigy.net.mx>

I have some mailing list using mailman. How can i set up the list so that
only me ant the designated people are able to send email to the list and no
one else?

I?ll apreciate your comments.

Armando Elizondo.






From akaize at ridhaa.com  Sun Jun  2 21:04:02 2002
From: akaize at ridhaa.com (Ahamed Kaize)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:04:02 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accumulated Admin Request Reset
Message-ID: <002001c20a68$46c53100$6384a6d5@Name>

Using version 2.0.10

For some reason, I have a list of more than 3,000 list admin requests
(approving posts, etc.) that Mailman has accumulated over the downtime
period, and it's all but impossible to clear that using the Mailman
script (I got a 500 error the one time I tried it).

Is there a way to reset these requested from the server






From jeff at cia.net  Mon Jun  3 23:13:26 2002
From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:13:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] order of checking in mailman
Message-ID: <20020603211317.GA4123@agent.cia.net>

I've found either a configuration error (on my part) or a possible flaw in 
the way mailman checks posts to lists.  Others may not consider this a
flaw, and I appologize if I've managed to miss this in any previous 
discussions.

I created a list for testing and told it to limit posts to those 
individuals who are already subscribed to the list.

Then I told it to make the list moderated, forcing approval of each
message.

It appears when I send messages to the list from a non-subscribed address, 
they show up in the administrative tasks as "Reason: Post to moderated 
list" when in fact they should show up (in my opinion) as "Reason: Post by 
non-member to a members-only list"

Otherwise, unless I'm missing something, you have no way of knowing if the 
moderated post you're reading is from a list-subscriber or not.

Is there a way to make mailman check the subscription issue prior to 
simply bouncing the message to the queue due to the list being moderated?

The only flaw I can see is if this would cause the message to go through 
the approval process twice, but I'm sure that could be solved as well.

p.s. - I wrote this out and then realized I'm mailing a mailing list, so 
if you reply, please consider sending it to me directly or via a cc:

Thanks!

-jeff





From mike at net3media.com  Tue Jun  4 06:31:25 2002
From: mike at net3media.com (Mike @ Net3Media)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:31:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handy little PHP code
Message-ID: <KLECLPDKCOOAGHBCEHOBKEGNCLAA.mike@net3media.com>

I wanted a Web-Based admin for key select function, so, I put this little
bit of PHP code together.  (see below)

The only major change thing I had to do was CHOWN the mailman/bin/ files to
the user:group apache is running as.  This hasn't effected any of the other
mailman functions.

And of course I added other security...

Comments, thoughts, concerns, and name calling is encouraged.

Code is here: http://net3.moongear.com/

-Mike







From snackboyjr at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  4 06:33:31 2002
From: snackboyjr at yahoo.com (Dan Crane)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:33:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to add easy unsubscribe message?
Message-ID: <B921BB5B.5133%snackboyjr@yahoo.com>

I asked this before but did not get an answer. Is there a way for users to
unsubscribe w/o having to login? Is there some command they can put in the
email or header to auto-unsubscribe themselves?

Thanks,
Dan





From Topaz11green at aol.com  Tue Jun  4 07:09:02 2002
From: Topaz11green at aol.com (Topaz11green at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:09:02 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives
Message-ID: <157.ed18b94.2a2da56e@aol.com>

Hello,

I've searched the archives, the FAQ and google and couldn't find the answer 
to this question. So, any help is appreciated.

I'm moving our lists from Majordomo to Mailman and have set up a test list 
where I've sent some test messages from several different e-mail accounts. I 
have the following configuration options set:

General:
Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended 
for most mailing lists. This list
Privacy:
Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes 
From, Sender and Reply-To fields)  No
 
When I look at the archives on the web, if the "From:" field in the test.mbox 
file is in the format of "User Name" <user at example.com> (or else User 
<user at example.com> - quotes don't matter unless there is a special character, 
and this field, the GECOS field? is generated by the MUA, I think) then User 
Name is displayed as the Author. If the "From:" field is in the format of 
someone at isp.com (this is how I've seen the headers from my AOL account) then 
the Author is the list e-mail address.

When I look at the archived message in either case, the e-mail address of the 
author is the list e-mail address.

If I change the "Reply-To:" option from "This List" to "Poster" then the 
author in the archives html file is the actual author, not the list.

Since this is a discussion list, it's useful to have the "Reply-To:" option 
set up as "This List."

The archive of this list is private and subscription needs to be authorized. 
It would be useful for our users to see who actually wrote something, rather 
than the listname in the author field.

E-mail works fine, it's just the archives, which my users really want, that 
are confusing me.

Thanks for your help.

-Susan





From mike at net3media.com  Tue Jun  4 08:43:20 2002
From: mike at net3media.com (Mike @ Net3Media)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hacking question about options.html
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206031058170.25618-100000@host.whitworks.com>
Message-ID: <KLECLPDKCOOAGHBCEHOBKEHCCLAA.mike@net3media.com>

Here's a nice HOW TO on regular expressions:

http://py-howto.sourceforge.net/regex/regex.html

I hope this helps.

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of ValerieWhitmore
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:06 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hacking question about options.html



Hi,

I'm doing some modifications to the options.html template file.  
Basically I need to pull the subscriber's email address (in email addy
format me at somewhere.com) to insert into a form on the users option page.  
If the list is set to munge email addresses, using
<MM-Case-Preserved-User> comes up blank.  Is there a code I can use that
no matter how the list is set up I can get the member's email address to
appear in the proper format?  I can probably hack the form script I'm 
using to convert the <MM-Presentable-User> format, but thought there might 
be an easier way.

Thanks in advance
Valerie Whitmore




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From simone at sn.apc.org  Tue Jun  4 12:10:18 2002
From: simone at sn.apc.org (Simone Shall)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:10:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the subject
Message-ID: <3CFCAE2A.15643.5B0C521@localhost>

Hi
I am a mailman user and want to know if it is possible to do the 
following:
I have a list where I have to approve all messages sent to the list. At the 
moment, when I approve a message I cannot change the subject of the 
message. I want to be able to do this. Is it possible.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thanks
Simone

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From tanis at lleida.com  Tue Jun  4 17:02:59 2002
From: tanis at lleida.com (Andreu Sanchez)
Date: 04 Jun 2002 17:02:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] large lists question
Message-ID: <1023202979.20741.3.camel@taniz.org>

thanks for your answers :)

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From saint_p at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  4 20:31:28 2002
From: saint_p at yahoo.com (Brian St. Pierre)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:31:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors in subscription process
Message-ID: <20020604183128.71558.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm getting errors in the subscription process.

Background: I'm not sure whether this is a problem
with the way my ISP has mailman set up or if it is
something I can fix. The MTA in use there is Exim 3.35
#1, and it is configured such that all mail to my
domain that isn't directed to a particular account
goes into my inbox.

When users subscribe to my list they get the "reply to
this to confirm" message. When they respond to that
message, *I* am getting the message (ie. the messages
aren't getting routed to listname-request at domain.org).

Is this simply an Exim problem that I need to get my
ISP to fix?

Thanks for suggestions,

-Brian St. Pierre
http://bstpierre.org/

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From FawadKhan at WoodsideNet.Com  Wed Jun  5 02:00:31 2002
From: FawadKhan at WoodsideNet.Com (Fawad Khan)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:00:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a test list
Message-ID: <3FFBC907DD03A34CA4410C5C745DEB1252BED0@wnimail.WoodsideNet.Com>

I am trying to install Mailman but running into problems when trying to
create the test list.
I run the file $prefix/bin/newlist but it comes back with saying:
"/usr/bin/env: No such file or directory"
 
Even though there is a file /usr/bin/env and is executable by everyone.
Any pointers will be appreciated.
 
Thanks, 
 
Fawad Khan
 <http://www.woodsidenet.com/> 
 
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From lhirlimann at free.fr  Wed Jun  5 12:01:05 2002
From: lhirlimann at free.fr (Ludovic Hirlimann)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:01:05 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman to repect Resent-From headers
Message-ID: <1023271265.3cfde161bf00b@imp.free.fr>

Hi,
What should I do to configure Mailman to :
      Accept messages only from subscribed emails.
*And*
      To have mailman being compliant to RFC-822's Resent-From Header ?
I'm not a list subscriber so If you could cc me that would be cool.
TIA
Ludo
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From kchetana at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  5 20:26:14 2002
From: kchetana at yahoo.com (chetana reddy)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:26:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] welcome message option
Message-ID: <20020605182614.18311.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
  In the membership management how do I Change the
send welcome message option default to "NO".

Thank You
Chetana

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From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Wed Jun  5 22:21:05 2002
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:21:05 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching mailman archives ... how ?!?
Message-ID: <005e01c20cce$85a49fb0$291e6a8f@matrix>

I have a server with mailman 2.0.8, and I want to search (via web) the archives of one specific list ...

How do I made this ?!? Anyone have a "step-by-step" tutorial ?1?

Tnks,
Alessandro Luiz
Brazil
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From ben at 2xl.com  Thu Jun  6 02:31:11 2002
From: ben at 2xl.com (Ben Kempner)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:31:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only administrator can send to mailman
Message-ID: <003001c20cf1$791583e0$0500000a@awesome>

Is there a way I can set mailman up so that it only allows the administrator to send e-mails to the mailing list?  Meaning the members can't post to the list - only the administrator?

Thanks,
Ben
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From mike at net3media.com  Thu Jun  6 02:55:58 2002
From: mike at net3media.com (Mike @ Net3Media)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:55:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem using windows XP
In-Reply-To: <001401c20cee$bf07bba0$6601a8c0@isaac>
Message-ID: <KLECLPDKCOOAGHBCEHOBEEJHCLAA.mike@net3media.com>

It sounds like you have cookies disabled, or your internet privacy settings
might be too high.


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of allan at abrahamse.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:12 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem using windows XP


Ever since I upgraded to windows XP, I have been unable to make any
administrative changes to the Mailman mailing lists I manage. I can reach
any administrative page OK, but when I try to implement a change, I return
to the password page. This happens even when I set my browser to "accept all
cookies," and even if I clear all the cookies and start over. If I log onto
the administrative page from a non-XP computer, things work fine. Has anyone
else had this problem?





From camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il  Thu Jun  6 12:24:50 2002
From: camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il (camelia)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:24:50 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems
Message-ID: <3CFF3871.B361704F@wicc.weizmann.ac.il>

Hello


My name is Camelia Botez and I'm system admin in Weizmann Institute.
A couple of weeks ago I installed mailman  on our webserver ( we intend
to use the same server for web and mail).
Our webserver is outside the firewall  (on dmz) and when I try to send
e-mail to one of the lists
I don't get back any error message ( in fact the messages I get suggest
that the mail was sent
successfuly) but noone from the list get sany e-mail.
I tried  the same thing from inside firewall and works.
It is possible that the wrapper program works on a specific port or
doesn't know how to pass the firewall ?


Thank you





From hostmaster at shults.org  Fri Jun  7 02:39:36 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:39:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <ABEKKNNFIBIMEGPBKDMMCEEHCAAA.armandoem@prodigy.net.mx>
Message-ID: <000301c20dbb$d0830c90$0432e7d8@artemis>

http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Armando Elizondo
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:16 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
> 
> 
> I have some mailing list using mailman. How can i set up the 
> list so that
> only me ant the designated people are able to send email to 
> the list and no
> one else?
> 
> I?ll apreciate your comments.
> 
> Armando Elizondo.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Jun  7 02:48:59 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems
In-Reply-To: <3CFF3871.B361704F@wicc.weizmann.ac.il>
References: <3CFF3871.B361704F@wicc.weizmann.ac.il>
Message-ID: <089221644000762FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>

If it works when you are inside the firewall, but does not work when you 
send from outside, you probably have a routing problem with your MTA's.

In other words it is probably not a mailman problem.  Try sending to a 
local address on the same server and see if the mail gets there from the 
outside.

Good luck.

On Thursday 06 June 2002 06:24 am, camelia wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> My name is Camelia Botez and I'm system admin in Weizmann Institute.
> A couple of weeks ago I installed mailman  on our webserver ( we intend
> to use the same server for web and mail).
> Our webserver is outside the firewall  (on dmz) and when I try to send
> e-mail to one of the lists
> I don't get back any error message ( in fact the messages I get suggest
> that the mail was sent
> successfuly) but noone from the list get sany e-mail.
> I tried  the same thing from inside firewall and works.
> It is possible that the wrapper program works on a specific port or
> doesn't know how to pass the firewall ?
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From hostmaster at shults.org  Fri Jun  7 02:52:52 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:52:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching mailman archives ... how ?!?
In-Reply-To: <005e01c20cce$85a49fb0$291e6a8f@matrix>
Message-ID: <000601c20dbd$aa295250$0432e7d8@artemis>

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:20:11PM -0500, Bob Stout wrote:

> Has anyone done any work on searchable archive, preferably with a web

> interface?

 <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp>
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

-- 

Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) . Information Technology (2001)

 <http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/> http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer
Science House Member

 

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Mailman FAQ:  <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py>
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Alessandro Luiz
Petrocino
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:21 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searching mailman archives ... how ?!?
Importance: Low


I have a server with mailman 2.0.8, and I want to search (via web) the
archives of one specific list ...
 
How do I made this ?!? Anyone have a "step-by-step" tutorial ?1?
 
Tnks,
Alessandro Luiz
Brazil

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From hostmaster at shults.org  Fri Jun  7 03:17:13 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:17:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only administrator can send to mailman
In-Reply-To: <003001c20cf1$791583e0$0500000a@awesome>
Message-ID: <001501c20dc1$10d94980$0432e7d8@artemis>

see http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

or, in case you're mailing from a phone or a pda or your webbrower on
your desktop is broken or something:

under privacy options in the mailman webgui:
set "must posts be approved by and administrator" to "yes"

In the field with this in the description: "Addresses of members
accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval
requirement." put the administrator's email address

click "submit your changes" at the bottom of the page.

occasionally you'll want to go to the "Tend to pending administrative
requests" page to delete accumulated stuff.  (see the archives of this
list for ideas on deleting them automatically)

~steven




-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Ben Kempner
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:31 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only administrator can send to mailman


Is there a way I can set mailman up so that it only allows the
administrator to send e-mails to the mailing list?  Meaning the members
can't post to the list - only the administrator?

Thanks,
Ben





From hostmaster at shults.org  Fri Jun  7 03:35:41 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:35:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a test list
In-Reply-To: <3FFBC907DD03A34CA4410C5C745DEB1252BED0@wnimail.WoodsideNet.Com>
Message-ID: <001a01c20dc3$a5f1b460$0432e7d8@artemis>

make sure /usr/bin/env is in the PATH for the shell you're working in
(e.g. if it's the mailman account, make sure the shell rc in mailman's
home directory either sources a global server env file which includes
/usr/bin/env or specify it in mailman's profile)
 
~steven

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Fawad Khan
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:01 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a test list


I am trying to install Mailman but running into problems when trying to
create the test list.
I run the file $prefix/bin/newlist but it comes back with saying:
"/usr/bin/env: No such file or directory"
 
Even though there is a file /usr/bin/env and is executable by everyone.
Any pointers will be appreciated.
 
Thanks, 
 
Fawad Khan
 <http://www.woodsidenet.com/> 

 

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From hostmaster at shults.org  Fri Jun  7 03:48:23 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:48:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors in subscription process
In-Reply-To: <20020604183128.71558.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c20dc5$6bb493b0$0432e7d8@artemis>

hi brian,

I had the same problem with the virtusertable in sendmail, might be
similar to the exim problem, don't know, never used exim, but in case it
helps:

the catchall aliasing you describe ([anything]@domain.tld -->
brianslocalinbox at domain.tld), which in sendmail is defined in the
virtusertable (by default /etc/mail/virtusertable) doesn't get along so
well with the local aliasing in /etc/aliases where the aliases for the
mailman wrappers are found.   seems the virtusertable doesn't see the
wrapper aliases and ignores them, so instead of the mail to
listname-request@ going through the wrapper and being processed, it goes
back to you by courtesy of the aliases in /etc/alias which the one of
the readme's says to set up.

May or may not work in exim, but I suggest having them disable the
catchall alias, define any specific aliases you need instead (other than
the wrapper aliases, leave those as is) and restart exim and try again.

worked for me in sendmail to solve the same problem anyway.

g'luck,
~Steven

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Brian St. Pierre
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:31 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors in subscription process
> 
> 
> I'm getting errors in the subscription process.
> 
> Background: I'm not sure whether this is a problem
> with the way my ISP has mailman set up or if it is
> something I can fix. The MTA in use there is Exim 3.35
> #1, and it is configured such that all mail to my
> domain that isn't directed to a particular account
> goes into my inbox.
> 
> When users subscribe to my list they get the "reply to
> this to confirm" message. When they respond to that
> message, *I* am getting the message (ie. the messages
> aren't getting routed to listname-request at domain.org).
> 
> Is this simply an Exim problem that I need to get my
> ISP to fix?
> 
> Thanks for suggestions,
> 
> -Brian St. Pierre
> http://bstpierre.org/
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> 





From hostmaster at shults.org  Fri Jun  7 03:53:13 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:53:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to add easy unsubscribe message?
In-Reply-To: <B921BB5B.5133%snackboyjr@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002301c20dc6$18ebd6b0$0432e7d8@artemis>

send an email to yourlistname-request at yourdomain.tld with the word
'help' in the subject or body.

(where 'listname' is the name of your list and 'yourdomain.tld' is the
domain name used by your list)

mailman will reply with a list of email commands and their syntax, one
of which is 'unsubscribe'

also, if you have a look at full headers for the list, there's a mailto:
link already built in which users can click on to unsubscribe.  you can
duplicate that link in your footer if you want it to be seen by people
who choose not to view full headers or in mailclients which make them
hard to find (see X-mailer in the headers of this message for an example
of one such crappy mail client ;)

~steven 'uh-oh I think I'm hooked on this list' shults

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Dan Crane
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:34 PM
> To: Mailman-Users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to add easy unsubscribe message?
> 
> 
> I asked this before but did not get an answer. Is there a way 
> for users to
> unsubscribe w/o having to login? Is there some command they 
> can put in the
> email or header to auto-unsubscribe themselves?
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From RayOsborn at mac.com  Fri Jun  7 04:46:34 2002
From: RayOsborn at mac.com (Ray Osborn)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mixing internal and external archives
Message-ID: <B92588BA.65ED%RayOsborn@mac.com>

I am in the process of transferring an old mailing list to Mailman.  It used
Hypermail for archiving, and I would like to continue using it both in order
to maintain some of the old message URLs and because there were quite a few
HTML and MIME messages, which Pipermail can't handle.  However, I am also
setting up some new lists, and would like to use the the standard Pipermail
archives for those.

If I understand the comments in Defaults.py, it is possible to set
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER to a shell command
that triggers Hypermail, but there doesn't seem to be a way to specify
different options for different lists.  I also couldn't see any relevant
options in the list administration pages.

Is there a standard way to use internal and external archiving on different
lists?  I apologize if this was in the FAQ, but the archive questions seemed
to address different issues.

We are running version 2.0.11

Thanks   
-- 
Ray Osborn





From claytonr at bundaberg.qld.gov.au  Fri Jun  7 08:02:57 2002
From: claytonr at bundaberg.qld.gov.au (Clayton Rogers)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:02:57 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
Message-ID: <3D004C91.4010307@bundaberg.qld.gov.au>

I have set up two lists.  
List 1: Has three members and and anyone can send to it.
List 2: Has List 1 as a member and anyone can send to it.

With List 2 I am receiving the error metioned in the Subject section 
above. Why is this so?  I have followed the table in the documentation: 
Receive from anyone in the universe, but the message still requires 
moderation approval.

Cheers

-- 
Clayton Rogers
Computer Systems Officer
Bundaberg City Council
Queensland, Australia
Phone: +61 0741539232
Fax: +61 0741529155
Email: claytonr at bundaberg.qld.gov.au
Web Site: www.bundaberg.qld.gov.au 






From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Jun  7 15:51:22 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 07 Jun 2002 15:51:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrative posts only?
In-Reply-To: "Ben Kempner"'s message of "Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:42:52 -0600"
References: <003b01c20d79$36daad60$0500000a@awesome>
Message-ID: <m3d6v3i4dh.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Ben Kempner" <ben at 2xl.com> writes:

> Is there a way to make it so only the list administrator (one e-mail
> address) can post messages to the list?

Yes. Make a list were all posts must be approved. And add the allowed
poster in "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list
without implicit approval requirement".


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
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From ssharma at odc.net  Fri Jun  7 18:00:41 2002
From: ssharma at odc.net (Ajay Sharma)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:00:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can users change their email address on a closed list?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206070855010.18112-100000@centauri.odc.net>

Hello,

I just upgraded to mailman 2.0.11 from majordomo (I know, I know...) and 
I'm wondering how can my users change their email address without 
requiring my approval?  But this is a closed list and I'm the only 
person that adds people to the list.  So if they are already subscribed 
I want them to be able them to be able to change their email address 
without any interaction from me.  Is this possible?

later,
ajay

--------------------------------------------------------------------
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ssharma at odc.net
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From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Jun  7 18:49:27 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
In-Reply-To: <3D004C91.4010307@bundaberg.qld.gov.au>; from claytonr@bundaberg.qld.gov.au on Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 04:02:57PM +1000
References: <3D004C91.4010307@bundaberg.qld.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20020607114927.C7172@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 04:02:57PM +1000, Clayton Rogers wrote:
> I have set up two lists.  
> List 1: Has three members and and anyone can send to it.
> List 2: Has List 1 as a member and anyone can send to it.
> 
> With List 2 I am receiving the error metioned in the Subject section 
> above. Why is this so?

Because List 1 doesn't see its name (or a name that it recognizes as
belonging to itself) in the To: or Cc: headers of the messages coming
from List 2.

> I have followed the table in the documentation: 
> Receive from anyone in the universe, but the message still requires 
> moderation approval.

The problem here is with who the message is addressed to, not who it's
coming from.  You could turn off the "Must posts have list named in
destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names,
specified below)?"  option, but that would increase vulnerability to
spammers.  The better option would be to add List 2's name to the list of
"Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination
names for this list."  (Both settings are on the Privacy Options page.)

-- 
When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists
have already won. - reverius

Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss




From benjamincyoung at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  7 21:43:45 2002
From: benjamincyoung at hotmail.com (Benjamin Young)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:43:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot Modify Welcome Message
Message-ID: <OE68RUFxIQTo0AXznNH0000a288@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

I'd like to leave the welcome message blank, so that the prepend text
becomes the entire message. I don't have access to the server but my host
has been trying out all the suggestions provided. It was suggested here that
the subsribeack.txt file be left blank but when this is done, the welcome
message is blank and the pre-pend text is not inserted.

I thought maybe there had to be something to prepend above, so had the admin
insert a line of text - but the welcome message now only includes that one
line, never the prepended text. Is there a command that needs to be included
in the subscribeack.txt file that would pull the pre-pend message and insert
it properly?

Has anyone else successfully modified their welcome message so that the
pre-pend text becomes the entire welcome message? My host thinks this may be
a bug in Mailman 2.0.

Thanks!
Benjamin

P.S. I apologize if this was posted twice. My email client returned an error
message the first time.




From courtney at 4th.com  Fri Jun  7 22:34:35 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:34:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A thank-you and comments about the FAQ entries for my work
Message-ID: <200206071634.35656.courtney@4th.com>

Good afternoon, all.

First, I wanted to let you know that my Mailman lists are now 100% operational
and are all in production with 2.1b2. Thanks, very much, to the several members
of this list who offered very helpful advice and answers.

I am planning to write a mini-HOWTO about deploying Mailman in non-root mode
using Procmail. This and the two FAQ entries I owe should be online in a week
or so. I decided that since I have a background in technical writing I owe it
to the Mailman user community to do more than just a brief FAQ entry; I want
to contribute to the body of documentation in a more formal way.

I mention this just in case you're wondering why the promised FAQ entries have
not materialized yet. I've been working up the article here and hope to finish
it shortly. It'll be published on my web site and also made available under
copyleft for use elsewhere.

Kind regards,

Scott

-- 
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From hostmaster at shults.org  Fri Jun  7 22:38:54 2002
From: hostmaster at shults.org (Steven Shults)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:38:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot Modify Welcome Message
In-Reply-To: <OE68RUFxIQTo0AXznNH0000a288@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c20e63$5a71e500$0432e7d8@artemis>

Hi Benjamin,

Rather than blank, leave this in subscribeack.txt:

%(welcome)s

that's the element which pulls in the welcome text from the admin
interface.

~steven

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin Young
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:44 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot Modify Welcome Message
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to leave the welcome message blank, so that the prepend text
> becomes the entire message. I don't have access to the server 
> but my host
> has been trying out all the suggestions provided. It was 
> suggested here that
> the subsribeack.txt file be left blank but when this is done, 
> the welcome
> message is blank and the pre-pend text is not inserted.
> 
> I thought maybe there had to be something to prepend above, 
> so had the admin
> insert a line of text - but the welcome message now only 
> includes that one
> line, never the prepended text. Is there a command that needs 
> to be included
> in the subscribeack.txt file that would pull the pre-pend 
> message and insert
> it properly?
> 
> Has anyone else successfully modified their welcome message 
> so that the
> pre-pend text becomes the entire welcome message? My host 
> thinks this may be
> a bug in Mailman 2.0.
> 
> Thanks!
> Benjamin
> 
> P.S. I apologize if this was posted twice. My email client 
> returned an error
> message the first time.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From mctaylor at privacy.nb.ca  Fri Jun  7 23:43:12 2002
From: mctaylor at privacy.nb.ca (M Taylor)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:43:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mm 2.0.11, web interface and file permissions
Message-ID: <20020607224312.B7567@pull.privacy.nb.ca>

I'm using mailman 2.0.11, qmail 1.0.3, and apache 1.3.23 on
a linux 2.2 / glibc-2.1.3 system 

mailman was configured with:
./configure --with-mail-gid=nofiles --with-cgi-gid=nobody

and ~mailman/bin/check_perms returns with no problems found 
when run was root or mailman.

I set up a test list, and subscribed via email with no problem,
but after I use the web based admin interface
<.../mailman/admin/test>
the file permissions for the config.db appears to be wrong
and mailman stops doing anything via email, including
sending mailing list messages and handling subscriptions.

ls -l ~mailman/lists/test/config.db

-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      1706 Sep 14  2001 admindbpreamble.html
-rw-rw----    1 nobody   mailman      4537 Jun  7 22:36 config.db
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      4537 Jun  7 21:26 config.db.last
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       189 Sep 14  2001 handle_opts.html
...

ls -ld ~mailman/lists/test

drwsrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Jun  7 22:36 /home/mailman/lists/test

If I force the config.db to be owned by mailman and permissions of
664 then things okay until I (as admin or list manager) or anyone
else (general subscriber) uses the web interface.

I was wondering if it could be a umask related problem, but that
wouldn't explain the change in owner would it?

What am I doing wrong?

Thank you.

-- 
M Taylor
http://www.mctaylor.com/




From tom at newfield.net  Sat Jun  8 02:36:53 2002
From: tom at newfield.net (Newfield Nethost)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:36:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains not servername
Message-ID: <006b01c20e84$974a5c20$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

We have mailman on our server, and host several virtual domains. 
The admin page, users page, etc. for lists within virtual domains is 
listing our server instead of the virtual domain: 
http://ourserver.com/mailman/admin/list_virtualdomain.net 
But we would like it to be: http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/admin/list/ 
and http://virtualdomain.net/mailman/listinfo/list-users/  ..

What do we need to do to accomplish this?
Thank you.
tom 
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From tomcat at downtownhost.com  Sat Jun  8 04:28:38 2002
From: tomcat at downtownhost.com (tomcat at downtownhost.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 23:28:38 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] host not found Error
Message-ID: <61412519742.20020607232838@downtownhost.com>

Hi
I recently renumbered the IPs on one of my servers, after that I
noticied that people could't subscribe to the mailing list that used
to works fine.
Checking at the mailman error logs I found this.

admin(13854): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.11 -----]
admin(13854): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(13854): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(13854):   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(13854):     main()
admin(13854):   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 76, in main
admin(13854):     process_form(mlist, doc)
admin(13854):   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 187, in process_form
admin(13854):     mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
admin(13854):   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1005, in AddMember
admin(13854):     text)
admin(13854):   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 211, in __init__
admin(13854):     OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
admin(13854):   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 205, in __init__
admin(13854):     self['Message-ID'] = Utils.make_msgid(idstring='Mailman')
admin(13854):   File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 769, in make_msgid
admin(13854):     idhost = socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0]
admin(13854): error: host not found


To be honest, I'm lost, and I don't know how to solve it, can anybody
help me here?

Thanks in advance

-- 
Best regards,






From rbs at snippets.org  Sat Jun  8 09:11:13 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 02:11:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing Procmail archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206080210020.20869-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

I have a slew of old Procmail archives covering a number of years. I'd
like to import them into Mailman. I checked the FAQ and couldn't find
anything about it. Anyone?

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From tony at design.calstatela.edu  Sat Jun  8 20:42:12 2002
From: tony at design.calstatela.edu (Tony.Longson)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:42:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing Mailman on Mac OS X
Message-ID: <722CF1FE-7B0F-11D6-BEFD-0050E4002B74@design.calstatela.edu>


Can you point me to information on installing Mailman
on Mac OS X Server.

To date it is getting stuck in ./configure because it doesn't
find the mailman user.

TIA

Tony Longson
ART
CalState, LA





From rbs at snippets.org  Sun Jun  9 00:07:43 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:07:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crisis
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206081705120.28666-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

All seemed to be working OK, when someone mentioned that they's sent mail
from an unsubscribed account and it got posted to the list. I checked the
management options, but could find a setting to specify wither this is a
public, private, or closed list. Where should I be looking for this?

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Jun  9 01:40:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:40:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crisis
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206081705120.28666-100000@snippets.snippets.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206081705120.28666-100000@snippets.snippets.org>
Message-ID: <030351635230862FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>

Web Admin, go to the Privacy section.  Happy reading.

Good Luck.

On Saturday 08 June 2002 06:07 pm, Bob Stout wrote:
> All seemed to be working OK, when someone mentioned that they's sent mail
> from an unsubscribed account and it got posted to the list. I checked the
> management options, but could find a setting to specify wither this is a
> public, private, or closed list. Where should I be looking for this?
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
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>    Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
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> http://www.snippets.org/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From rbs at snippets.org  Sun Jun  9 02:18:36 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:18:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crisis
In-Reply-To: <030351635230862FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206081917310.29939-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Web Admin, go to the Privacy section.  Happy reading.

Sheesh, do I feel like an idiot - especailly since I looked through there
twice and totally overlooked it! :-(

Thanks for your kind an patient answer to an idiotic question!

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From jwarnier at bxlug.be  Sun Jun  9 09:28:07 2002
From: jwarnier at bxlug.be (Jerome Warnier)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 09:28:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing with just a reply
Message-ID: <3D030387.5010508@bxlug.be>

Is there any mean to authorize unsubscribing by email without the password?

In this case, the originator address would be enough.

Thanks






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Jun  9 21:51:00 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:51:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing with just a reply
In-Reply-To: <3D030387.5010508@bxlug.be>
References: <3D030387.5010508@bxlug.be>
Message-ID: <0bae00946190962FE7@mail7.nc.rr.com>

This is not a function of the current Mailman release, but your system 
admin can set this up for you.  

Basically setup an address: mylist-unsub at mydomain.com
and then have that email actually active a script that boots out the user 
from the group.

On Sunday 09 June 2002 03:28 am, Jerome Warnier wrote:
> Is there any mean to authorize unsubscribing by email without the
> password?
>
> In this case, the originator address would be enough.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From uckelman at scylla.ellipsis.cx  Fri Jun  7 04:04:57 2002
From: uckelman at scylla.ellipsis.cx (Joel Uckelman)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:04:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from Topaz11green@aol.com 
   of "Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:09:02 EDT." <157.ed18b94.2a2da56e@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <20020607020457.21423.qmail@scylla.ellipsis.cx>

> Hello,
> 
> I've searched the archives, the FAQ and google and couldn't find the answer 
> to this question. So, any help is appreciated.
> 
> I'm moving our lists from Majordomo to Mailman and have set up a test list 
> where I've sent some test messages from several different e-mail accounts. I 
> have the following configuration options set:
> 
> General:
> Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended 
> for most mailing lists. This list
> Privacy:
> Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes 
> From, Sender and Reply-To fields)  No
>  
> When I look at the archives on the web, if the "From:" field in the test.mbox
>  
> file is in the format of "User Name" <user at example.com> (or else User 
> <user at example.com> - quotes don't matter unless there is a special character,
>  
> and this field, the GECOS field? is generated by the MUA, I think) then User 
> Name is displayed as the Author. If the "From:" field is in the format of 
> someone at isp.com (this is how I've seen the headers from my AOL account) then 
> the Author is the list e-mail address.
> 
> When I look at the archived message in either case, the e-mail address of the
>  
> author is the list e-mail address.
> 
> If I change the "Reply-To:" option from "This List" to "Poster" then the 
> author in the archives html file is the actual author, not the list.
> 
> Since this is a discussion list, it's useful to have the "Reply-To:" option 
> set up as "This List."
> 
> The archive of this list is private and subscription needs to be authorized. 
> It would be useful for our users to see who actually wrote something, rather 
> than the listname in the author field.
> 
> E-mail works fine, it's just the archives, which my users really want, that 
> are confusing me.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> -Susan

I think this is the same problem I asked about a few days ago. I've been 
looking at the code in an attempt to determine out why this happens, but I 
haven't made much progress thus far. I'll let you know if I figure it out.

-- 
J.






From robin at mysticalinternet.com  Mon Jun 10 05:21:33 2002
From: robin at mysticalinternet.com (Robin)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:21:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with  Virtual Hosting
Message-ID: <158354995136.20020609222133@mysticalinternet.com>

Greetings,

I have a CPanel "reseller" account which allows me to add and
seel domains which in turn can create and manage Mailman mailing
lists.

Let's say for example that the machine I have accounts on is called
ns1.servername.com

If I set up a domain called, www.domain1.com and they add a mailing list called
mylist, the admin address that is created is

ns1.servername.com/mailman/admin/domain1list_domain1.com

rather than

domain1.com/mailman/admin/domain1list

Likewise same situation exists with the archivesm they are are
under the server name and not the domain name.

This is confusing for my users. I want to be able to manage
importing archives for my clients, but this situation places all
the files outside of the domain space so I think it will require
the intervention of the server operator.

Also, I am concerned that the quota settings for the domains
will not reflect the archives.

Is there some way to accomplish these things using Mailman in a
virtual hosting environment such as I'm describing?

Thanks for any suggestions,

Robin





From jeff at cia.net  Mon Jun 10 06:55:15 2002
From: jeff at cia.net (Jeff Garvas)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:55:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-Member & Moderated List (reposted question)
Message-ID: <20020610045513.GA22113@agent.cia.net>

I asked about this last week and never saw a response, so I'm going to try 
and ask with a little more detail.  If anyone has any suggestions, please 
let me know.  I have not poked around the code to see why this occurs this 
way.

When you run a list that is non-moderated, but you limit posts to the 
subscribers list, a post by a non-member results in this error:

Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list 

If you go into "Privacy Options" and change "Must posts be approved by an 
administrator?" and maintain "Restrict posting privilege to list members" 
a post by a non-subscriber results in THIS reason:

Reason:  Post to moderated list

Unless I am missing a configuration option, I believe this is a flaw in 
the order in which mailman is checking posts.  Even if a list is 
moderated, the reason this individual post was rejected should still read

Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list

or, a new reason should be made like this:

Reason: Post by a non-member to a members-only AND moderated list

This may seem like a silly request, but if you run a members only list 
that happens to be moderated as well, you run into the problem of 
accidentally approving a post from a non-member when the content of
that post was "on topic".

Is there a fix for this?  Would this classify as a bug?

Does anyone know of any other work arounds?

When you have a few thousand people on a mailing list, its not really easy 
to realize on your own that a specific individual isn't a subscriber to 
the list.  Especially when you have multiple individuals help administrate 
the list itself.

-Jeff









From epforgette at overnite.com  Mon Jun 10 19:25:27 2002
From: epforgette at overnite.com (Eric P. Forgette)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password questions
References: <20020610143001.17564.12173.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3D04E107.3FE0AFCA@overnite.com>

I have created a new list and added members using the add_members
script.  I did send not notification to any members.  I now need to
enable the new members to unsubscribe if they wish.  These users will
not have web access. 

How can I create a list which doesn't require a password for users to
unsubscribe themselves?
or
Is it possible to set a default password when using add_members to 'mass
add' addresses to a list?
or
Is there a better way to do this?

Thanks,
-Eric




From techgrrl at beeze.com  Mon Jun 10 20:13:31 2002
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:13:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Reply Address
Message-ID: <00d501c210aa$86e2cb10$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

I'm using 2.1b2 and I've started getting complaints about the "reply" address in the digests. It appears that all digests come from their respective lists -request address with no "reply-to" address specified. That means if someone just clicks "reply", their message goes to the request address instead of to the regular list. Is this intentional behavior or am I missing a setting somewhere??

-- Sarah
Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose





From rbs at snippets.org  Mon Jun 10 21:40:54 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:40:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oversight
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206101440030.19384-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

I can't seem to find out how the administrator can boot (unsubscribe) a
user without his/her password.

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From kjetil at kjernsmo.net  Mon Jun 10 22:09:56 2002
From: kjetil at kjernsmo.net (Kjetil Kjernsmo)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:09:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oversight
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206101440030.19384-100000@snippets.snippets.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206101440030.19384-100000@snippets.snippets.org>
Message-ID: <E17HVVq-000631-00@pooh.kjernsmo.net>

On Monday 10 June 2002 21:40, Bob Stout wrote:
> I can't seem to find out how the administrator can boot (unsubscribe)
> a user without his/her password.

Oh, you just uncheck the "subscription" box in the Membership 
management for that user, I think... :-)

Best,

Kjetil
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From rodolfo at pilas.net  Mon Jun 10 23:42:45 2002
From: rodolfo at pilas.net (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: 10 Jun 2002 18:42:45 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dump subscriber list
Message-ID: <1023745369.1225.14.camel@julieta>

The $prefix/bin/list_members script obtains a raw list of members from a
list but it is needed to have shell access to obtain it.

Is there are any way to obtain a list of subscribers through the admin
web interfase?

Thank you.

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From devin2 at theinternet.info  Tue Jun 11 00:32:32 2002
From: devin2 at theinternet.info (Devin)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:32:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dump subscriber list
References: <1023745369.1225.14.camel@julieta>
Message-ID: <3D052900.405@theinternet.info>

Rodolfo Pilas wrote:
> The $prefix/bin/list_members script obtains a raw list of members from a
> list but it is needed to have shell access to obtain it.
> 
> Is there are any way to obtain a list of subscribers through the admin
> web interfase?
> 
> Thank you.
> 

In List Administration -> Membership Management simply highlight the 
email addresses and 'copy.' When you paste into a text file it should 
result in all of the addresses being printed, one per line, nice and 
neat. of course, if you have several pages of subscriber emails you will 
have to do this for each page. hope this helps. worked for me when I 
just needed a text file of all subscribers.

-- 
devin
devin2 at theinternet.info






From stiret at oneredshoe.net  Tue Jun 11 00:39:02 2002
From: stiret at oneredshoe.net (Scott Tiret)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:39:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python2
Message-ID: <007201c210cf$9e97fa30$74247140@alain>

Greetings,

I am trying to install Mailman 2.1b2 on Redhat Linux 7.3.  Redhat has apparently chosen to include both python 1.5.2-38 AND python2-2.2-16.

In order to have both installed they have changed the name of python 2 to python2.  I have changed the configure file to point to python2 instead of python 2 and the configuration script is successful, but when I make install I get:

make[2]: Entering directory `/home/stiret/tar/mailman-2.1b2/tests/bounces'
for f in *.txt; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests/bounces; \
        done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/stiret/tar/mailman-2.1b2/tests/bounces'
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/stiret/tar/mailman-2.1b2/tests/msgs'
for f in *.txt; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests/msgs; \
        done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/stiret/tar/mailman-2.1b2/tests/msgs'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/stiret/tar/mailman-2.1b2/tests'
make: execvp: PYTHON2@: Permission denied
make: *** [doinstall] Error 127
[mailman at cort mailman-2.1b2]$

Is there another way to do this?

Thanks,

Scott Tiret
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From danny at terweij.nl  Tue Jun 11 00:41:58 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:41:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands not processed after modifing html page
Message-ID: <017401c210d0$07e538e0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Hi,

I translated some txt and html files (not all of them finished yet) to dutch
language and everything went fine.
Except the pipermail. I putted tables in it and gave it some colors.
I see now only %(blabla)s commands. See my example at
http://www.p-s.nl:81/pipermail/poema-test/2002-June/001656.html

What did i do wrong and how to correct it?

Danny.






From danny at terweij.nl  Tue Jun 11 00:52:07 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:52:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dump subscriber list
References: <1023745369.1225.14.camel@julieta> <3D052900.405@theinternet.info>
Message-ID: <01f301c210d1$72a32920$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

Look at :
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-June/020472.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin" <devin2 at theinternet.info>
To: "Rodolfo Pilas" <rodolfo at pilas.net>
> Rodolfo Pilas wrote:
> > The $prefix/bin/list_members script obtains a raw list of members from a
> > list but it is needed to have shell access to obtain it.

> > Is there are any way to obtain a list of subscribers through the admin
> > web interfase?

> In List Administration -> Membership Management simply highlight the






From larry at guestfamily.com  Tue Jun 11 02:01:57 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:01:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to display all the lists in a master page
Message-ID: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPICEIACDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>

I have seen this on a few sites but I am not sure how it is done.  It has a
list of all the mailman lists and a description also.  It has the same look
and feel of mailman.

Does anyone know what program is used to make this, here is a link to one
such site.

http://lists.research.netsol.com/mailman/admin

Thank you!!!





From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Jun 11 02:11:41 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:11:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to display all the lists in a master page
References: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPICEIACDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>
Message-ID: <3D05403D.3820B74E@pcraft.com>

Larry Guest wrote:

> I have seen this on a few sites but I am not sure how it is done.  It has a
> list of all the mailman lists and a description also.  It has the same look
> and feel of mailman.
>
> Does anyone know what program is used to make this, here is a link to one
> such site.

    Um, that _is_ mailman.  If you have it installed on your server, visit that
url:

    http://<server>/mailman/admin/
    http://<server>/mailman/listinfo/

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From larry at guestfamily.com  Tue Jun 11 02:15:48 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:15:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to display all the lists in a master page
In-Reply-To: <3D05403D.3820B74E@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPICEIBCDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>

excellent, it works but my lists are not publicly-advertised so they dont
show up.

I would like to keep them private but still have a link like this, does that
make sence, can it be done??

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 5:12 PM
To: Larry Guest
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to display all the lists in a master
page


Larry Guest wrote:

> I have seen this on a few sites but I am not sure how it is done.  It has
a
> list of all the mailman lists and a description also.  It has the same
look
> and feel of mailman.
>
> Does anyone know what program is used to make this, here is a link to one
> such site.

    Um, that _is_ mailman.  If you have it installed on your server, visit
that
url:

    http://<server>/mailman/admin/
    http://<server>/mailman/listinfo/

--
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.






From matt at remedyx.com  Tue Jun 11 02:23:02 2002
From: matt at remedyx.com (Matt Thoene)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:23:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to display all the lists in a master page
In-Reply-To: <3D05403D.3820B74E@pcraft.com>
References: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPICEIACDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>
 <3D05403D.3820B74E@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <7771089488.20020610172302@remedyx.com>

Hello Ashley,

Monday, June 10, 2002, 5:11:41 PM, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>> I have seen this on a few sites but I am not sure how it is done.  It has a
>> list of all the mailman lists and a description also.  It has the same look
>> and feel of mailman.
>>
>> Does anyone know what program is used to make this, here is a link to one
>> such site.

>     Um, that _is_ mailman.  If you have it installed on your server, visit that
> url:

>     http://<server>/mailman/admin/
>     http://<server>/mailman/listinfo/

Another point to be made...you're lists must be "publicly-advertised" to
show on either of the above pages.  Private lists won't show.

-- 
Regards,
 Matt                            mailto:matt at remedyx.com





From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Jun 11 03:15:34 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:15:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to display all the lists in a master page
References: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPICEIBCDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>
Message-ID: <3D054F36.A017FCD4@pcraft.com>

Larry Guest wrote:

> excellent, it works but my lists are not publicly-advertised so they dont
> show up.
>
> I would like to keep them private but still have a link like this, does that
> make sence, can it be done??

    What's the point in having this link, _and_ try to keep them private?  This can not be done.  They're either public (visible), or private.

--
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
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From larry at guestfamily.com  Tue Jun 11 03:13:53 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:13:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to display all the lists in a master page
In-Reply-To: <3D054F36.A017FCD4@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIKEICCDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>

I am making them public and enable password protection to the URL.

Thanks for all the help!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ashley M. Kirchner
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:16 PM
To: Larry Guest
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how to display all the lists in a master
page


Larry Guest wrote:

> excellent, it works but my lists are not publicly-advertised so they dont
> show up.
>
> I would like to keep them private but still have a link like this, does
that
> make sence, can it be done??

    What's the point in having this link, _and_ try to keep them private?
This can not be done.  They're either public (visible), or private.

--
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
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From mikew at crucis.net  Tue Jun 11 03:34:56 2002
From: mikew at crucis.net (Mike Watson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:34:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring sendmail
Message-ID: <3D0553C0.AB330D86@crucis.net>

I'm pretty new to all this.  I'm trying to setup a maillist for a small group at
our church.  I have a server running RH 7.2 Linux and mailman 2.0.11.  RH has the
software installed as well as setting up Apache.  I created a test list and
everything looks OK.  I also created a mail alias for "list-owner".  The problem
is when I reply to the confirmation message, the e-mail fails with a sendmail
error 511 "list-request at host.net" does not exist.

I've reviewed all the documentation and I haven't found how a mail address is
linked to mailman.  If I create a mailbox for "list-request" what directory
should be used, /home or something else, /var/mailman/mail?

Mike W




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Jun 11 03:39:17 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:39:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring sendmail
References: <3D0553C0.AB330D86@crucis.net>
Message-ID: <3D0554C4.E85CA011@pcraft.com>

Mike Watson wrote:

> I'm pretty new to all this.  I'm trying to setup a maillist for a small group at
> our church.  I have a server running RH 7.2 Linux and mailman 2.0.11.  RH has the
> software installed as well as setting up Apache.  I created a test list and
> everything looks OK.  I also created a mail alias for "list-owner".  The problem
> is when I reply to the confirmation message, the e-mail fails with a sendmail
> error 511 "list-request at host.net" does not exist.

    When you created the test list, did you add the aliases to sendmail's alias list, and issued a 'newaliases' command?

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From stephen at exitwound.org  Tue Jun 11 04:02:21 2002
From: stephen at exitwound.org (Stephen E. Hargrove)
Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:02:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -admin ?
Message-ID: <1023760941.21472.18.camel@bogie.exitwound.org>

All of the posts from users on my list show as being from the -admin
address.  Where do I change this configuration?

Thanks!
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From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Tue Jun 11 04:07:56 2002
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:07:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DNS Queries
Message-ID: <28483261277.20020610220756@leviathanstudios.com>

Hi, Mailman,

I'm looking see if mailman has a way to specify what port
it's making its DNS requests *from.*

Can anybody help me?

-- 

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!" 
     -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Jun 11 04:13:34 2002
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:13:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DNS Queries
Message-ID: <200206110214.g5B2EYOl015296@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

I don't think Mailman makes any DNS requests.  Also, I can't
imagine any network client being able to specify such a thing;
that would mean it's the only client on that machine that can
do DNS (as the one possible host/port-host/port tuple would be used up).


> I'm looking see if mailman has a way to specify what port
> it's making its DNS requests *from.*





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Jun 11 04:15:50 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:15:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DNS Queries
In-Reply-To: <28483261277.20020610220756@leviathanstudios.com>
Message-ID: <B92AAB66.3FF79%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 6/10/02 7:07 PM, "Jonathan Andrew Sheen" <jsheen at leviathanstudios.com>
wrote:

> I'm looking see if mailman has a way to specify what port
> it's making its DNS requests *from.*


Mailman does no DNS lookups. It's all up to your mail delivery system.


-- 
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chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties
are largely ceremonial.





From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jun 11 04:51:37 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:51:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DNS Queries 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jonathan Andrew Sheen <jsheen@leviathanstudios.com> 
   of "Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:07:56 EDT." <28483261277.20020610220756@leviathanstudios.com> 
References: <28483261277.20020610220756@leviathanstudios.com> 
Message-ID: <15716.1023763897@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:07:56 -0400 
Jonathan Andrew Sheen <jsheen at leviathanstudios.com> wrote:

> I'm looking see if mailman has a way to specify what port it's making
> its DNS requests *from.*
Nope.  This is well outside Mailman's control.  It will be somewhere up
in the ephemeral port range.

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From mll236 at nyu.edu  Mon Jun 10 18:20:29 2002
From: mll236 at nyu.edu (Marie-Laure E Leger)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:20:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serve problem-- any takers?
Message-ID: <37fc4a37e104.37e10437fc4a@homemail.nyu.edu>

Anyone have any ideas for me? There aren't any space issues on our 
server--we've got plenty of MB and bandwidth. I also can't seem to 
create new lists.

I set the current problem list up last thursday and it worked as of 
yesterday. Now i try to log in as an administrator and it tells 
me "We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even 
generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman 
administrator at this site. "

Someone who sent an email across it got a message bounced back 
saying: "'No space left on device'" 
Another person got this message: 
IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
Original log message:
[Errno 28] No space left on device
Traceback (innermost last):

thanks for all your help!

Marie Leger





From dgc at uchicago.edu  Mon Jun 10 19:39:09 2002
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:39:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple filesystems?
Message-ID: <20020610173909.GK7863@dust.uchicago.edu>

Our list archives are growing past the point where a single filesystem
will hold it. RAID becomes an option, but I'm curious about ways of
handling this with multiple separate filesystems. This has obvious
advantages for containment of filesystem damage and (certain forms of)
backup, besides better performance under certain usage patterns, and I
tend to favor it as an approach.

Mailman OOB would rather dump all list archives into a single directory.
I suppose that conjuring my own Python code to munge archive_directory,
private_archive_file_dir, and public_archive_file_dir in a list's config
database should get me around this constraint. However, developing a
set of tools for migrating and balancing archive directories, both at
creation time and and later times, is a touch more Python development
than I really want to try at home.

Has anyone else crossed this bridge with some tools that they'd be
willing to share?

At worst, I could write some small programs to tweak the config files,
then call them from another language. But I've found that shelling off
thousands of python interpreters (one per list) gets to be a tiresome
approach, and I'd rather keep it all in-process.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago




From lhirlimann at free.fr  Tue Jun 11 09:28:53 2002
From: lhirlimann at free.fr (Ludovic Hirlimann)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:28:53 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Q] Resent-From header ?
Message-ID: <1023780533.3d05a6b5c29b0@imp.free.fr>

Hello,
I would like to setup an only subscribers can post list that would honor the
Resent-from header (see http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc822/Overview.html#z26)?
I've check out the latest version of mailman did a quick grep on all files and
was not able to find any references to such setting.

Is this doable with Mailman ? if so any pointers would be interesting.
TIA
Ludo
--
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cycle chaotique ....




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Jun 11 14:21:17 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serve problem-- any takers?
References: <37fc4a37e104.37e10437fc4a@homemail.nyu.edu>
Message-ID: <003e01c21142$7cf32b20$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Check the space in the volume that Mailman is installed in.
Then check the rights to the directories - if it can't write to the
filesystem, it might just tell you "no space".  You should be able to run
the file ~mailman/bin/check_perms

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marie-Laure E Leger" <mll236 at nyu.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:20 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serve problem-- any takers?


> Anyone have any ideas for me? There aren't any space issues on our
> server--we've got plenty of MB and bandwidth. I also can't seem to
> create new lists.
>
> I set the current problem list up last thursday and it worked as of
> yesterday. Now i try to log in as an administrator and it tells
> me "We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even
> generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman
> administrator at this site. "
>
> Someone who sent an email across it got a message bounced back
> saying: "'No space left on device'"
> Another person got this message:
> IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
> Original log message:
> [Errno 28] No space left on device
> Traceback (innermost last):
>
> thanks for all your help!
>
> Marie Leger
>
>
>
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Jun 11 14:57:40 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:57:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serve problem-- any takers?
In-Reply-To: <003e01c21142$7cf32b20$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <37fc4a37e104.37e10437fc4a@homemail.nyu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611134653.0341a008@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Just a SWAG but are you using disk quotas on the system concerned? If so, 
could the effective user for the process executing have run out of it on 
the file system concerned?

At 08:21 11/06/2002 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
>Check the space in the volume that Mailman is installed in.
>Then check the rights to the directories - if it can't write to the
>filesystem, it might just tell you "no space".  You should be able to run
>the file ~mailman/bin/check_perms
>
>Good Luck
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marie-Laure E Leger" <mll236 at nyu.edu>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:20 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serve problem-- any takers?
>
>
> > Anyone have any ideas for me? There aren't any space issues on our
> > server--we've got plenty of MB and bandwidth. I also can't seem to
> > create new lists.
> >
> > I set the current problem list up last thursday and it worked as of
> > yesterday. Now i try to log in as an administrator and it tells
> > me "We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> > Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even
> > generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman
> > administrator at this site. "
> >
> > Someone who sent an email across it got a message bounced back
> > saying: "'No space left on device'"
> > Another person got this message:
> > IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
> > Original log message:
> > [Errno 28] No space left on device
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >
> > thanks for all your help!
> >
> > Marie Leger





From mailman at snagdata.com  Tue Jun 11 16:25:57 2002
From: mailman at snagdata.com (Tracy Snell)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:25:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper
Message-ID: <B92B80B5.DE23%mailman@snagdata.com>

I just installed mailman. Perms check out OK. Web interface works fine. I go
to the subscribe page and sign up for my test list. I get the e-mail. When I
reply to it Postfix shows that it's delivered to wrapper with no error. From
there it disappears. No error in any logs that I can find.
/home/mailman/logs only shows entries from the web page activity, none from
the subscription reply I sent. Any ideas?

Solaris 8
Python 2.1.1
Mailman 2.0.11
Postfix Release-20010228

Log entry:
Jun 11 08:13:48 astro.snellfamily.com postfix/local[16919]: [ID 197553
mail.info] E8BA530041: to=<test-request at astro.snellfamily.com>, relay=local,
delay=1, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test")

I'm sure wrapper is getting called because I had a typo on the mail-gid and
had to change it when it complained.

Thanks

tjs






From mike at net3media.com  Tue Jun 11 07:33:23 2002
From: mike at net3media.com (Mike @ Net3Media)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:33:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serve problem-- any takers?
In-Reply-To: <37fc4a37e104.37e10437fc4a@homemail.nyu.edu>
Message-ID: <KLECLPDKCOOAGHBCEHOBIEBHCMAA.mike@net3media.com>

I had a similar problem with a different application and found that my quota
was set to low for the user that the application was running under.  The log
files were taking up too much room.  So, I deleted them and all was good.

Since then, the quota has been removed so it will no longer be an issue.

I hope this helps.

-Mike

>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Marie-Laure E Leger
>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:20 PM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serve problem-- any takers?
>
>
>Anyone have any ideas for me? There aren't any space issues on our
>server--we've got plenty of MB and bandwidth. I also can't seem to
>create new lists.
>
>I set the current problem list up last thursday and it worked as of
>yesterday. Now i try to log in as an administrator and it tells
>me "We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even
>generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman
>administrator at this site. "
>
>Someone who sent an email across it got a message bounced back
>saying: "'No space left on device'"
>Another person got this message:
>IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
>Original log message:
>[Errno 28] No space left on device
>Traceback (innermost last):
>
>thanks for all your help!
>
>Marie Leger
>
>
>
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>
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From tracy at snellfamily.com  Tue Jun 11 16:18:28 2002
From: tracy at snellfamily.com (Tracy Snell)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:18:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problems
Message-ID: <B92B7EF4.DDD0%tracy@snellfamily.com>

I just installed mailman. Perms check out OK. Web interface works fine. I go
to the subscribe page and sign up for my test list. I get the e-mail. When I
reply to it Postfix shows that it's delivered to wrapper with no error. From
there it disappears. No error in any logs that I can find.
/home/mailman/logs only shows entries from the web page activity, none from
the subscription reply I sent. Any ideas?

Solaris 8
Python 2.1.1
Mailman 2.0.11
Postfix Release-20010228

Log entry:
Jun 11 08:13:48 astro.snellfamily.com postfix/local[16919]: [ID 197553
mail.info] E8BA530041: to=<test-request at astro.snellfamily.com>, relay=local,
delay=1, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test")

I'm sure wrapper is getting called because I had a typo on the mail-gid and
had to change it when it complained.

Thanks

tjs





From pt97fjo at student.bth.se  Tue Jun 11 17:43:40 2002
From: pt97fjo at student.bth.se (Fredrik Jonson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:43:40 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and mimefilter (on debian)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206111726330.9894-100000@beeblebrox.rby.hk-r.se>

Hello, 

I am trying to set up mailman on debian woody and am interested 
in using mimefilter to remove unwanted attachments. 

Now, I am a bit confused. The documentation of mimefilter almost
exclusively mentions smartlist, the Mailman FAQ[0] mentions
mimefilter but only that it can be used, not how. 

Also I'm trying to combine Mailman with exim. I have read about
how one can avoid aliases by using recipies in exim. But the 
documentation[1] seemes outdated, in debian Mailman home isn't
/home/mailman anymore. 

I believe that the solution is to replace the standard wrapper
with the mimefilter in some way. But I have just recently switched 
from redhat and the familiar sendmail to exim so I don't quite
feel comfortable with doing wild hacks with exim on my own yet.

So, has anyone on the list any experiense on a setup with exim
and mimefilter, or any other experience of the above to share with
me. 

[0] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp
[1] http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html 
    /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian

Thank you in advance / fredrik 
-- 
Fredrik Jonson
pt97fjo at student.bth.se





From rbs at snippets.org  Tue Jun 11 18:39:32 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:39:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and mimefilter (on debian)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206111726330.9894-100000@beeblebrox.rby.hk-r.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206111135060.28837-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Fredrik Jonson wrote:

> I am trying to set up mailman on debian woody and am interested in using
> mimefilter to remove unwanted attachments.
>
> Now, I am a bit confused. The documentation of mimefilter almost
> exclusively mentions smartlist, the Mailman FAQ[0] mentions mimefilter
> but only that it can be used, not how.
>
> Also I'm trying to combine Mailman with exim. I have read about how one
> can avoid aliases by using recipies in exim. But the documentation[1]
> seemes outdated, in debian Mailman home isn't /home/mailman anymore.
>
> I believe that the solution is to replace the standard wrapper with the
> mimefilter in some way. But I have just recently switched from redhat
> and the familiar sendmail to exim so I don't quite feel comfortable with
> doing wild hacks with exim on my own yet.
>
> So, has anyone on the list any experiense on a setup with exim and
> mimefilter, or any other experience of the above to share with me.

We just started up a new list using Mailman and Demime which seems to just
fine. You might check it out at <http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html>.

We're also using Debian and Exim. Unfortunately, the actual installation
and configuration was done by someone else, but I will forward your
message to him in case he can help.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jun 11 18:54:35 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:54:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and mimefilter (on debian) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Fredrik Jonson <pt97fjo@student.bth.se> 
   of "Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:43:40 +0200." <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206111726330.9894-100000@beeblebrox.rby.hk-r.se> 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206111726330.9894-100000@beeblebrox.rby.hk-r.se> 
Message-ID: <26020.1023814475@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:43:40 +0200 (MEST) 
Fredrik Jonson <pt97fjo at student.bth.se> wrote:

> Hello, I am trying to set up mailman on debian woody and am interested
> in using mimefilter to remove unwanted attachments.

Check the archives for this list.  I recently posted the necessary
script and instructions to integrate Mailman with mimefilter.

> Also I'm trying to combine Mailman with exim. I have read about how
> one can avoid aliases by using recipies in exim. But the
> documentation[1] seemes outdated, in debian Mailman home isn't
> /home/mailman anymore.

The Nigel's HOW-TO is both accurate and current.  Debian merely differs
in its selection of paths and install locations from Nigel's
expectations.  Adapt.

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http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From khcarlso at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun 11 19:44:09 2002
From: khcarlso at bellsouth.net (Kevin Carlson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:44:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECKELIHDAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>

I have installed mailman and am receiving join confirmation emails.  The
system is also processing the replies to the join confirmation emails but
doesn't seem to be adding the members to the list.

If I look in ./logs/subscribe I see several lines that read like this:

   Jun 11 12:31:44 2002 (9827) testlist: pending <email address> <ip
address>

where <email address> and <ip address> are unique for each user.


Does anyone have any ideas why the members aren't making it into the list?

Thanks,

Kevin





From kleefstr at univmail.cis.mcmaster.ca  Tue Jun 11 20:54:12 2002
From: kleefstr at univmail.cis.mcmaster.ca (Jessie Kleefstra)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:54:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list
Message-ID: <web-16610989@cgpsrv1.cis.mcmaster.ca>

Is it possible to rename a list or must each list be removed and then
create another.

*********************************
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Sr.Consultant,Helpdesk Services Phone:905-525-9140 ext.24357
Computing & Information Services  Fax:905-528-3773
ABB-132
McMaster University




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Tue Jun 11 21:40:05 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:40:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and mimefilter (on debian)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206111726330.9894-100000@beeblebrox.rby.hk-r.se>; from pt97fjo@student.bth.se on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 05:43:40PM +0200
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206111726330.9894-100000@beeblebrox.rby.hk-r.se>
Message-ID: <20020611214004.M63661@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 05:43:40PM +0200, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I am trying to set up mailman on debian woody and am interested 
> in using mimefilter to remove unwanted attachments. 

I'm trying to do the same on postfix / freebsd .. but with a little bit of
extra functionality.

IO'd like some mimetypes (like text/plain) to be shown inline, while others
(like 4k big image/jpeg) i'd like to be completely allowed. Is this
configurable somewhere, since I cannot find it ..

Gr,

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From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Tue Jun 11 21:42:03 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:42:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list serve problem-- any takers?
In-Reply-To: <37fc4a37e104.37e10437fc4a@homemail.nyu.edu>; from mll236@nyu.edu on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:20:29PM -0400
References: <37fc4a37e104.37e10437fc4a@homemail.nyu.edu>
Message-ID: <20020611214203.N63661@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:20:29PM -0400, Marie-Laure E Leger wrote:

> Someone who sent an email across it got a message bounced back 
> saying: "'No space left on device'" 
> Another person got this message: 
> IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
> Original log message:
> [Errno 28] No space left on device
> Traceback (innermost last):
> 

Check the free inodes on your filesystem,

df -i /path/to/filesystem

HTH & HAND,

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My other computer is your windows box.




From pt97fjo at student.bth.se  Tue Jun 11 21:44:41 2002
From: pt97fjo at student.bth.se (Fredrik Jonson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:44:41 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and mimefilter (on debian) 
In-Reply-To: <26020.1023814475@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206112130410.9894-100000@beeblebrox.rby.hk-r.se>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, J C Lawrence wrote:

> Check the archives for this list.  I recently posted the necessary
> script and instructions to integrate Mailman with mimefilter.

Strange that I didn't find it in the archives earlier. Well,
thanks anyway. I'll try it out. And yes, it would be nice if you
placed a litte note in the FAQ about your hack. 

> The Nigel's HOW-TO is both accurate and current.  Debian merely 
> differs in its selection of paths and install locations from Nigel's
> expectations.  Adapt.

<borg>You will be assimilated</borg> =)

I didn't mean "outdated" as much as I meant that it didn't match 
the debian FS-layout. Sorry if it sounded rude or so. I'll adapt
it. 

Thanks for the swift replies. That's really great!

-- 
Fredrik Jonson
pt97fjo at student.bth.se





From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Tue Jun 11 21:43:49 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:43:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problems
In-Reply-To: <B92B7EF4.DDD0%tracy@snellfamily.com>; from tracy@snellfamily.com on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 10:18:28AM -0400
References: <B92B7EF4.DDD0%tracy@snellfamily.com>
Message-ID: <20020611214349.O63661@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 10:18:28AM -0400, Tracy Snell wrote:
> 
> I just installed mailman. Perms check out OK. Web interface works fine. I go
> to the subscribe page and sign up for my test list. I get the e-mail. When I
> reply to it Postfix shows that it's delivered to wrapper with no error. From
> there it disappears. No error in any logs that I can find.
> /home/mailman/logs only shows entries from the web page activity, none from
> the subscription reply I sent. Any ideas?

Are you running the cronjob to process the entries submitted to the wrapper ?
An example comes with the installation ;-)

Gr,

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From courtney at 4th.com  Tue Jun 11 23:56:51 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:56:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper
In-Reply-To: <B92B80B5.DE23%mailman@snagdata.com>
References: <B92B80B5.DE23%mailman@snagdata.com>
Message-ID: <200206111756.51183.courtney@4th.com>

On Tuesday 11 June 2002 10:25 am, Tracy Snell wrote:
> I just installed mailman. Perms check out OK. Web interface works fine. I
> go to the subscribe page and sign up for my test list. I get the e-mail.
> When I reply to it Postfix shows that it's delivered to wrapper with no
> error. From there it disappears. No error in any logs that I can find.
> /home/mailman/logs only shows entries from the web page activity, none from
> the subscription reply I sent. Any ideas?

You need to install the cron jobs found in cron/crontab.in (path relative to
your Mailman installation prefix).

Conventional wisdom also has the qrunner process running as a daemon, but in
my system I have it set to do a once-per-minute cron job with a line like this:

* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /path-to-mailman/bin/qrunner --once -r All

("All" is case-sensitive!)

Note that this cron job is in the mailman user's personal crontab, NOT the
system (root) crontab.

This reduces CPU consumption on servers such as mine where list traffic is
light.

Scott

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From atropos at fates.org  Wed Jun 12 00:59:42 2002
From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:59:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.0.10 -> 2.0.11 upgrade problem
Message-ID: <2147483647.1023821982@mrspeel.fates.org>

Setup now:

Mailman 2.0.10
Python 2.1
Mac OS X Server 10.1.4 (Mac OS X release 10.1.5)

Mailman works fine except that I cannot edit any of the HTML pages--Mailman 
crashes when trying to do so.

I figured I'd upgrade to 2.0.11 before trying it again and filing a bug 
report, but when I attempt the make install step I get the following:

Compiling /Users/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 31, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 33, in ?
    import cgi
SystemError: NULL result without error in call_object

I saw a post in May with a similar error trace, but suspect the individual 
was on a Linux machine due to the "python-devel" reference. I built the 
version of Python on my machine direct from source.

So... is the error I'm seeing above due to my version of Python? Should I 
upgrade it to 2.2.1 (from python.org)?

Has anyone else experienced the HTML editing problem, and if so is upgrading 
to 2.0.11 the route to get it fixed?

-- 
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From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Wed Jun 12 02:42:05 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problems
In-Reply-To: <B92B7EF4.DDD0%tracy@snellfamily.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c211a9$fa210b50$fa010a0a@HALE.local>

Did you setup your Aliases? :)

Jim Hale
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http://hale.dyndns.org 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Snell
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:18 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problems



I just installed mailman. Perms check out OK. Web interface works fine.
I go to the subscribe page and sign up for my test list. I get the
e-mail. When I reply to it Postfix shows that it's delivered to wrapper
with no error. From there it disappears. No error in any logs that I can
find. /home/mailman/logs only shows entries from the web page activity,
none from the subscription reply I sent. Any ideas?

Solaris 8
Python 2.1.1
Mailman 2.0.11
Postfix Release-20010228

Log entry:
Jun 11 08:13:48 astro.snellfamily.com postfix/local[16919]: [ID 197553
mail.info] E8BA530041: to=<test-request at astro.snellfamily.com>,
relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
test")

I'm sure wrapper is getting called because I had a typo on the mail-gid
and had to change it when it complained.

Thanks

tjs



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From jeff at popmail.med.nyu.edu  Wed Jun 12 03:49:32 2002
From: jeff at popmail.med.nyu.edu (Jeff Berliner)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:49:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd admindb crashes
Message-ID: <461715.3232820972@[192.168.1.9]>

        We've had Mailman working just fine for two years, but in the 
past day we've encountered a perplexing problem.  While all other 
functions continue to operate normally (mail is sent, listinfo, options 
and admin scripts all work), the admindb script has begun returning an 
"Internal Server Error", and logging the following in the web-server 
error log:

[Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature end 
of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb


        It also leaves a core file in the $prefix/bin directory, but 
doesn't log anything in the MM log files.  Nothing has changed on the 
system side.  No upgrades, no permissions appear to have been altered. 
We've removed any stale locks to no avail, etc.

        We're stumped.  Any ideas?  Thanks!

                                             - Jeff

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From jon at csh.rit.edu  Wed Jun 12 06:36:10 2002
From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Cleanup Script
In-Reply-To: <200206020509.50754.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200206020509.50754.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <20020612043610.GB11886@csh.rit.edu>

On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 05:09:50AM -0400, Scott Courtney wrote:

> Another change that may or may not apply to your lists: Some versions of KMail,
> the client that comes with KDE, produce a header called "Message-Id:". The
> parser in "arch" requires this to be "Message-ID:" or it chokes. I didn't
> put that into my awk script because it may not apply everywhere, and fixing
> it is just a matter of :%s/^Message-Id/Message-ID/ in vi, or equivalent.
 
I've been meaning on investigating this one ever since you sent this
message.  I have not been able to recreate this problem (under Mailman
2.1b2+, at least).

Could you provide some more details?

-- 
Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu)  .  Information Technology (2001)
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/  :  Computer Science House Member




From courtney at 4th.com  Wed Jun 12 15:59:57 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:59:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Cleanup Script
In-Reply-To: <20020612043610.GB11886@csh.rit.edu>
References: <200206020509.50754.courtney@4th.com> <20020612043610.GB11886@csh.rit.edu>
Message-ID: <200206120959.57501.courtney@4th.com>

On Wednesday 12 June 2002 12:36 am, Jon Parise wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 05:09:50AM -0400, Scott Courtney wrote:
> > Another change that may or may not apply to your lists: Some versions of
> > KMail, the client that comes with KDE, produce a header called
> > "Message-Id:". The parser in "arch" requires this to be "Message-ID:" or
> > it chokes. I didn't put that into my awk script because it may not apply
> > everywhere, and fixing it is just a matter of :%s/^Message-Id/Message-ID/
> > in vi, or equivalent.
>
> I've been meaning on investigating this one ever since you sent this
> message.  I have not been able to recreate this problem (under Mailman
> 2.1b2+, at least).
>
> Could you provide some more details?

I am running 2.1b2 (not sure about that "+" part) and am able to reliably
reproduce the problem. Any message that has a "Message-Id:" header instead
of "Message-ID:" will fail to import. The arch program doesn't in itself give
very detailed diagnostics, but I have added some error tracing. The error is
detected in Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py at about line 550. It is actually
occuring in the next() method of the mbox object.

I'm not a Python programmer (most of my work is in PHP, Java, and C), and since
there was such an easy workaround I haven't pursued it further than that. What
I can tell you is that if I do the global search and replace mentioned above,
it fixes the problem reliably, so long as this is the *only* problem with the
messages under test. The other problems, however, are fixed by my awk script.

There are certain multipart/alternative messages that just don't go, period.
In my case, I looked at them individually and made a conscious decision that
I didn't care, and threw them away. That's not a generalized solution, but
it worked for me since such messages are extremely rare (about 0.05%) in
my datasets.

I'll be glad to work with you in resolving this issue; I am not sure what
other specific information you might want, but I will be glad to provide
whatever info you need, if I can obtain it.

Scott

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From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Wed Jun 12 17:58:44 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:58:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612115836.022d4a38@192.168.1.111>

>I am urrently running version 1.63. Is it worth upgrading at this point yet?




Thank you,

Dene Ulmschneider
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From esandquist at ihms.net  Wed Jun 12 18:09:55 2002
From: esandquist at ihms.net (Eric Sandquist)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:09:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Global footers and other issues...
Message-ID: <LAEOJCOHMABIMDAGOHNGOEBLHKAA.esandquist@ihms.net>

Has anyone had any experience with global footer?  I need to be able to
place html code or php code as a global footer to all the lists on the
server and/or a method to place footers based on the list, but in addition
to what the list adminsitrator has control over.  This is so that a
virtual-domain owner or a subscribed list-owner cannot disable certain code
that would be placed on their lists - banner ads, site promotion and such...
Of course, I need to be able to remove it on list-by-list basis so that a
list-owner or domain holder can pay or make other arrangements to have the
code removed for their lists.  Also, some lists may need to have special
code in place for specific issues...

Has anyone done this?

Also, has anyone intergrated Mailman into phpNuke or MyphpNuke?

Also, does the current release-beta (2.1b2) have capabilitiies to update
both the aliases file and the domainaliases file?  And if so, what about
automaiting a call to newliases and makemap so that they are properly
updated for automatic list generation in a virtual-domain environment.

Currently, I am upgrading my servers OS to RH7.2 from RH5.2... then, if I
still need to, I will upgrade Perl to the latest release, since my current
Perl is too old for the latest beta-release.... the stable release works
fine...

I have the email lists working under virtual domains, setting all the
aliases manually in both files... but I am having trouble getting the
web-interface to work under the virtual domains... the root domain on the
server seems to reference the alias and scriptalias fine, but the other
domains don't... I'm not sure why... Any ideas????

The answers to these questions and others are greatly appreciated...

Eric Sandquist
Systems Engineer - IHMS.net
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From rbs at snippets.org  Wed Jun 12 18:24:58 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:24:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Importing [Listproc] archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206080210020.20869-100000@snippets.snippets.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206121123280.6734-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Bob Stout wrote:

> I have a slew of old Procmail archives covering a number of years. I'd
> like to import them into Mailman. I checked the FAQ and couldn't find
> anything about it. Anyone?

Perhaps this would have made more sense if I'd said I was trying to import
a slew of old Listproc archives. Sorry about the confusion...

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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Jun 12 22:24:43 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:24:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Importing [Listproc] archives
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206121123280.6734-100000@snippets.snippets.org>
Message-ID: <00d601c2124f$303967a0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Are they in Mbox format - a long text file complete with headers and message
bodies stored in archeological fashion?  If so, then ~mailman/bin/arch will
work to move them into HTML format so that they can viewed via pipermail.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Stout" <rbs at snippets.org>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Importing [Listproc] archives


> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Bob Stout wrote:
>
> > I have a slew of old Procmail archives covering a number of years. I'd
> > like to import them into Mailman. I checked the FAQ and couldn't find
> > anything about it. Anyone?
>
> Perhaps this would have made more sense if I'd said I was trying to import
> a slew of old Listproc archives. Sorry about the confusion...
>
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From matt at webexc.com  Thu Jun 13 00:24:20 2002
From: matt at webexc.com (Matt Barton)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:24:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Date/Time Stamps in Archive
Message-ID: <20020612171507.U1817-100000@spock.webexc.com>

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Hello

I am using Mailman 2.0.10 installed via the FreeBSD ports system.  I am
using a mostly default setup.  Pipermail is being used for archiving.

I checked several months of mailman-users archives and the FAQ for an
answer to this question, but did not find anything.

I am wanting to know if there is a way to enable date and time stamps in
the message archive index.  I'm referring to the index of actual e-mail
messages.

Thank you for a great tool and thanks in advance for any help!

- -- 

Matt Barton
Webexcellence
matt at webexc.com
Phone:  317.423.3548 x22
Fax:  317.423.8735
www.webexc.com

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From andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu  Thu Jun 13 02:41:24 2002
From: andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu (An-Dee)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 02:41:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
Message-ID: <1931948977.20020613024124@host206.hsurg.dote.hu>

Hello,

 As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
 How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
 is not working.

-- 
Best regards,
 An-Dee                          mailto:andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu





From courtney at 4th.com  Thu Jun 13 03:10:50 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:10:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Revised goodheaders.awk script
Message-ID: <200206122110.50857.courtney@4th.com>

Good evening.

I have revised my goodheaders.awk script to take care of the Message-Id: -->
Message-ID: translation, per the note I posted to this list a couple of days
ago.

A copy of the new script is embedded in this message, for your edification.
Please feel free to use and distribute as you wish, under GPL terms. I would
appreciate a copy of any patched versions so that I can improve my version of
the source, but this is a courtesy only and is not required.

Enjoy!

***************** Begin script goodheaders.awk *****************
#!/usr/bin/awk -f
#
# Attempts to clean up some ugly header problems when importing
# mail from YahooGroups to mbox format.
#
# Author: Scott Courtney <courtney at 4th.com> http://4th.com/
#
# License: GPL (http://www.gnu.org/)
#
# Disclaimer: Written for my own one-time use; NOT thoroughly tested.
#

BEGIN {
	hdr=0;
}

/^From .*@.* .*:..:.. / {
	hdr=1;
	print $0;
}

/^$/ {
	hdr=0;
	print $0;
}

/^[A-Za-z0-9-]+: / {
	# Clean up bogus Message-Id: header and turn it into Message-ID:
	# instead. Pipermail is finicky about this.
	sub(/^Message-Id: /,"Message-ID: ");
	print $0;
}

! /^[A-Za-z0-9-]+: / && ! /^From .*@.* .*:..:.. / {
	if (hdr) {
		print " " $0;
	} else {
		print $0;
	}
}
************************* End script **************************

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
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courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From khcarlso at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun 13 04:32:53 2002
From: khcarlso at bellsouth.net (Kevin Carlson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:32:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two questions...
Message-ID: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECAENIHDAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>

Hi,

Is it possible to restrict outbound emails to administrative users only?  In
other words, non-admin users could not send mail to the list.

Also, is it possible to customize the HTML that is rendered by Mailman?

Thanks,

Kevin





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Jun 13 12:32:29 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:32:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
References: <1931948977.20020613024124@host206.hsurg.dote.hu>
Message-ID: <3D0874BD.E7C84A87@folkwang-hochschule.de>

An-Dee wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
>  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
>  is not working.

this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there....




From andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu  Thu Jun 13 12:46:43 2002
From: andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu (An-Dee)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:46:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
In-Reply-To: <3D0874BD.E7C84A87@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <1931948977.20020613024124@host206.hsurg.dote.hu>
 <3D0874BD.E7C84A87@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <583072462.20020613124643@host206.hsurg.dote.hu>

Hello Joern,

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 12:32:29 PM, you wrote:

JN> An-Dee wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
>>  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
>>  is not working.

JN> this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
JN> ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
JN> exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
JN> things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there....

:)) unfortunately the root cannot fix it, that's why I tried to get
help here. Any admin who fixed it?
My friend (admin) tried to fix it, but the mailman puts back the wrong
setting into config.db.


-- 
Best regards,
 An-Dee                            mailto:andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu





From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Thu Jun 13 12:44:28 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317016F0CDF@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

If you go into the mailman/Mailman dir there is a file Default.py, this is
where the syntax for defining stuff is.

This same line can be used in the mm_cfg.py file, it is here the user/SA can
make mods.

In mm_cfg.py file put.

DEFAULT_URL ='http://your url/something/'


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	An-Dee [SMTP:andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu]
> Sent:	Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:41 PM
> To:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
>  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
>  is not working.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  An-Dee                          mailto:andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Thu Jun 13 12:48:04 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:48:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD68317016F0CE2@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

This is a good question, the configuration that I am running where I have
multiple instances of mailman running, there is a need for changeing the
Default url and the Private archive url. Having this done at ./configure
line helps alot, build a script to run the script, automation. 



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Joern Nettingsmeier [SMTP:nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de]
> Sent:	Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:32 AM
> To:	An-Dee
> Cc:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	Re: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
> 
> An-Dee wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> >  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
> >  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
> >  is not working.
> 
> this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
> ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
> exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
> things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there....
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From ygingras at ygingras.net  Thu Jun 13 16:21:18 2002
From: ygingras at ygingras.net (Yannick Gingras)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:21:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list with spaces in it's name
Message-ID: <20020613131919.5076E33986@LINPDC.eclipsys.qc.ca>

Hi, 
   I'm really pleased with mailman, this is helping me a lot to get my 
delelopers in touch.  

I just have a little problem here.  I accidentaly created a list with spaces 
in it's name and I can't remove it with the rmlist script.  I supose it is 
related to the spaces in it's name.  What should be the right procedure to 
remove the list by hand without breaking my mailman instalation ? 

Thanks again to all the mailman team, this is a great piece of code !

-- 
Yannick Gingras
Network Programer

Linux for the people !
ESC:wq




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Jun 13 16:36:28 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:36:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list with spaces in it's name
References: <20020613131919.5076E33986@LINPDC.eclipsys.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <3D08ADEC.C6A95817@pcraft.com>

Yannick Gingras wrote:

> I just have a little problem here.  I accidentaly created a list with spaces
> in it's name and I can't remove it with the rmlist script.  I supose it is
> related to the spaces in it's name.  What should be the right procedure to
> remove the list by hand without breaking my mailman instalation ?

    Have you tried enclosing the name in quotes?

    bin/rmlist "list name"

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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
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  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Jun 13 16:49:23 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:49:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
In-Reply-To: <3D0874BD.E7C84A87@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <1931948977.20020613024124@host206.hsurg.dote.hu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613154329.0432e0a8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:32 13/06/2002 +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
>An-Dee wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
> >  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
> >  is not working.
>
>this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
>ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
>exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
>things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there....

Editing the web_page-url needs to be done carefully. Doing without the 
ability to edit it (like in MM 2.1); fine until you actually need to change 
it for a single list.

Anyway putting the following script in your $prefix/bin directory and using 
it per directions may help your problem:

start fix-url.py ------------------------------------------------------------
# Copyright (C) 2001 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

"""Reset a list's web_page_url attribute to the default setting.

This script is intended to be run as a bin/withlist script, i.e.

% bin/withlist -l -r fix_url <mylist>
"""

from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman.i18n import _




def fix_url(mlist):
     mlist.web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL
     print _('Saving list')
     mlist.Save()
end fix-url.py ------------------------------------------------------------





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Jun 13 16:53:46 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:53:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list with spaces in it's name
References: <20020613131919.5076E33986@LINPDC.eclipsys.qc.ca> <3D08ADEC.C6A95817@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c212ea$1eb99040$0b04010a@JCARNES>

>     Have you tried enclosing the name in quotes?
> 
>     bin/rmlist "list name"
> 
And try bin/rmlist list\ name





From Ivana.Belgers at surfnet.nl  Thu Jun 13 16:55:04 2002
From: Ivana.Belgers at surfnet.nl (Ivana Belgers)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:55:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Addresses of members accepted for posting
Message-ID: <20020613145504.GC343@zuurtje.surfnet.nl>

Hi,

I want to create a restricted mailinglist where only e-mail addresses
from a certain domain can post messages to the list. I found the Privacy
Option "Addresses of members accepted for posting", but could not find
the correct syntax for using wildcards.

I am using Mailman version 2.0.11.

I tried *@domain.name, but that made the list become completely
moderated, even if postings were sent with e-mail addresses in the
domain.name domain they had to be approved.
The same with .*@domain.name.


TIA,
Ivana Belgers
-- 
Ivana Belgers
Services & Support   ---   SURFnet bv




From andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu  Thu Jun 13 18:37:57 2002
From: andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu (An-Dee)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:37:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Base URL for Mailman web interface
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613154329.0432e0a8@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <1931948977.20020613024124@host206.hsurg.dote.hu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020613154329.0432e0a8@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <784624941.20020613183757@host206.hsurg.dote.hu>

Hello Richard,

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 4:49:23 PM, you wrote:

RB> At 12:32 13/06/2002 +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
>>An-Dee wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> >  As a mistake, I set a wrong path to the web interface.
>> >  How can I set it correctly with command line? 'cos the web interface
>> >  is not working.
>>
>>this happened to me, too. i don't have mailman group rights, so i had to
>>ask the admin to fix it for me. what is the reason that this option
>>exists at all ? i can't see what you can do with it, besides breaking
>>things. i haven't checked 2.1, but i hope it's gone there....

RB> Editing the web_page-url needs to be done carefully. Doing without the 
RB> ability to edit it (like in MM 2.1); fine until you actually need to change 
RB> it for a single list.

RB> Anyway putting the following script in your $prefix/bin directory and using 
RB> it per directions may help your problem:

RB> start fix-url.py ------------------------------------------------------------
RB> # Copyright (C) 2001 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
RB> #
RB> # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
RB> # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
RB> # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
RB> # of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
RB> #
RB> # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
RB> # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
RB> # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
RB> # GNU General Public License for more details.
RB> #
RB> # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
RB> # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
RB> # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

RB> """Reset a list's web_page_url attribute to the default setting.

RB> This script is intended to be run as a bin/withlist script, i.e.

RB> % bin/withlist -l -r fix_url <mylist>
RB> """

RB> from Mailman import mm_cfg
RB> from Mailman.i18n import _




RB> def fix_url(mlist):
RB>      mlist.web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL
RB>      print _('Saving list')
RB>      mlist.Save()
RB> end fix-url.py ------------------------------------------------------------



RB> ------------------------------------------------------
RB> Mailman-Users mailing list
RB> Mailman-Users at python.org
RB> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
RB> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Finally, I could solve the problem.
I got the general page of my list, save it as html, and edited the
action in the form with the right path.
Uploaded this file, and type it's url, it asked for auth. click back
and submit :)

(i hope it was clear)



-- 
Best regards,
 An-Dee                            mailto:andee at host206.hsurg.dote.hu





From zwiffer at zwiffer.dyndns.org  Thu Jun 13 19:25:12 2002
From: zwiffer at zwiffer.dyndns.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire?= Cachet)
Date: 13 Jun 2002 19:25:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error installing mailman with exim from debs
Message-ID: <1023989112.1124.59.camel@zwiffer>

hello

I try to configure mailman on my gateway for internet, using a mail
server which is exim

My system is debian woody

I installed exim, and just changed the configuration in order to relay
my own computer on the local network.

Then I installed mailman and create a new list typing :

# newlist test

It asked me to add some lines in the aliases file. I added in
/etc/aliases :

## test mailing list
## created: 12-Jun-2002 root
test:                    "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

I received a confirmation email for the new list "test"


However, if I try to subscribe sending a mail to
test-request at zwiffer.dyndns.org, it didn't work.

I can't send messages to test-admin, test, test-owner either.

there are errors in exim's logs :

2002-06-13 18:13:32 17IXE4-0001kY-00 Neither the system_aliases director
nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test


/var/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms returns no error

Besides, I receive error mails from cron every 15 minutes :

2002-06-12 09:53:03 17I2PM-0005sU-00 Neither the system_aliases director
nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test

Where does it not work ?

thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english

gr?goire
-- 
Il faut d?penser le m?pris avec une grande ?conomie, 
? cause du grand nombre de n?cessiteux. Chateaubriand





From benjamincyoung at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 13 20:46:18 2002
From: benjamincyoung at hotmail.com (Benjamin Young)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:46:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Welcome Message
Message-ID: <OE58crYP0QzBxhJTANZ0000cd1b@hotmail.com>

Hi Steven,

THANK YOU!! Your solution worked perfectly! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help. Sorry for the delay in responding... my host implemented your solution but then had problems with the server and I could only test it until today.

Again, thanks for taking the time to help me out.
Benjamin

-----Original Message-----
Hi Benjamin,

Rather than blank, leave this in subscribeack.txt:

%(welcome)s

that's the element which pulls in the welcome text from the admin
interface.

~steven

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From crebuck at attglobal.net  Thu Jun 13 22:18:08 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:18:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] On Behalf Of feature
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206131612360.25147-100000@yourmomma.myip.org>

When I see my posts to the list I often see "On Behalf Of Chad Rebuck".  I 
am the admin for the list, but when I send an email to the list I don't 
want it to appear to come from a2-16v-admin at maillist.myip.org.  I want it 
to appear to come from crebuck at attglobal.net.  Am I overlooking an option 
in mailman?

example header:

From: a2-16v-admin at maillist.myip.org
[mailto:a2-16v-admin at maillist.myip.org]On Behalf Of Chad Rebuck


Thanks.





From atrieger at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 13 22:39:45 2002
From: atrieger at yahoo.com (Andrew Trieger)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:39:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing archives, but full raw archive
Message-ID: <3D090311.7709C093@yahoo.com>

I have version 2.0.10 of mailman on intel linux mandrake 8.1 (kernel 2.4.8) and my mailserver, on
the same machine, is courier version 0.38.1.

I have a mailman list setup and its working fine, except the archives.  the archives are being
saved, and i can see the archive file in the filesystem as well as download it from the archives
section of the list, (i.e. "download the full raw archive" link works) but that same page, where
its supposed to show all the individual messages so you can click and read them is blank,  with the
message: "Currently, there are no archives".

I know someone else (dave, coyote...) has had this similar problem and it was fixed in late may
(its in this mailing list) by deactivating some anti-spam software he had where the From: header
was being removed from messages before being dumped into the archive, which made the program arch
choke or something, but i have no such software and the messages appear to have all the required
headers.

Here is a sample of messages from the archive file, note that some of the message bodies are HTML,
i assume that is ok for mailman.



     Received: from ipsd.org (webmail.ipsd.org [::ffff:216.125.163.151])
       by trieger.org with esmtp; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:57:32 -0500
     Received: from [216.125.163.216] (account <mark_duker at ipsd.org>)
       by ipsd.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.6b1)
       with HTTP id 4641129 for <ranches at mail.otherguys.org>; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:56:56 -0500
     From: "Mark Duker" <mark_duker at ipsd.org>
     Subject: Re: [Ranches] golf
     To: ranches at mail.otherguys.org
     X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.6b1
     Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:56:56 -0500
     Message-ID: <web-4641129 at ipsd.org>
     In-Reply-To: <3CE29121.511D87A9 at yahoo.com>
     Mime-Version: 1.0
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
     Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
     X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to 7bit by courier 0.35
     Sender: ranches-admin at mail.otherguys.org
     Errors-To: ranches-admin at mail.otherguys.org
     X-BeenThere: ranches at mail.otherguys.org
     X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10
     Precedence: bulk
     Reply-To: ranches at mail.otherguys.org
     List-Help: <mailto:ranches-request at mail.otherguys.org?subject=help>
     List-Post: <mailto:ranches at mail.otherguys.org>
     List-Subscribe: <https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches>,
             <mailto:ranches-request at mail.otherguys.org?subject=subscribe>
     List-Id: for Dudes,
             Dude Ranches and General Ranchers <ranches.mail.otherguys.org>
     List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches>,
             <mailto:ranches-request at mail.otherguys.org?subject=unsubscribe>
     List-Archive: <https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/private/ranches/>

     I'm planning on Saturday AND Sunday mornings.

     MAD

     Received: from bhgl_5.brinkshofer.com (smtp.brinkshofer.com [::ffff:216.4.30.16])
       by trieger.org with esmtp; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:02:55 -0500
     X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3
     content-class: urn:content-classes:message
     MIME-Version: 1.0
     Content-Type: text/plain;
             charset="us-ascii"
     Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     Subject: RE: [Ranches] golf
     Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:01:57 -0500
     Message-ID: <5E1CA1A28AF4D411B5530002A507D0C3024F53C4 at bhgl_5.brinkshofer.com>
     X-MS-Has-Attach:
     X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
     Thread-Topic: [Ranches] golf
     Thread-Index: AcH8MYyYHBPdY7jgTtqMIvVkRmCscgAAJ1Jw
     From: "Chu, Michael" <mchu at brinkshofer.com>
     To: ranches at mail.otherguys.org
     Sender: ranches-admin at mail.otherguys.org
     Errors-To: ranches-admin at mail.otherguys.org
     X-BeenThere: ranches at mail.otherguys.org
     X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10
     Precedence: bulk
     Reply-To: ranches at mail.otherguys.org
     List-Help: <mailto:ranches-request at mail.otherguys.org?subject=help>
     List-Post: <mailto:ranches at mail.otherguys.org>
     List-Subscribe: <https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches>,
             <mailto:ranches-request at mail.otherguys.org?subject=subscribe>
     List-Id: for Dudes,
             Dude Ranches and General Ranchers <ranches.mail.otherguys.org>
     List-Unsubscribe: <https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches>,
             <mailto:ranches-request at mail.otherguys.org?subject=unsubscribe>
     List-Archive: <https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/private/ranches/>

     I'm totally in on whatever day(s) is(are) decided, maens.

     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: Mark Duker [mailto:mark_duker at ipsd.org]=20
     > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:57 AM
     > To: ranches at mail.otherguys.org
     > Subject: Re: [Ranches] golf
     >=20
     >=20
     > I'm planning on Saturday AND Sunday mornings.
     >=20
     > MAD
     > _______________________________________________
     > Ranches mailing list
     > Ranches at mail.otherguys.org=20
     > https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches
     >=20




THanks for any help anybody can offer...

--
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From frank at cs.wisc.edu  Thu Jun 13 23:02:13 2002
From: frank at cs.wisc.edu (Adam Frank)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:02:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tremendous horror!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206131558470.7362-100000@scout18.cs.wisc.edu>

I have been running a list for some time now, and recently seemingly
random subscription confirmations are being sent to people on the
list. Some people are reporting recieving over a dozen confirmations a
day (you know, the "Confirm xxxxxxxxx")! Does anyone know what could be
causing this, because it is really annoying the heck out of the people on
my list!

Thanks!
Adam





From courtney at 4th.com  Fri Jun 14 01:14:18 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:14:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing archives, but full raw archive
In-Reply-To: <3D090311.7709C093@yahoo.com>
References: <3D090311.7709C093@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200206131914.18027.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:39 pm, Andrew Trieger wrote:
> Here is a sample of messages from the archive file, note that some of the
> message bodies are HTML, i assume that is ok for mailman.
>
>
>
>      Received: from ipsd.org (webmail.ipsd.org [::ffff:216.125.163.151])
>        by trieger.org with esmtp; Wed, 15 May 2002 11:57:32 -0500
>      Received: from [216.125.163.216] (account <mark_duker at ipsd.org>)
>        by ipsd.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.6b1)
>        with HTTP id 4641129 for <ranches at mail.otherguys.org>; Wed, 15 May
> 2002 11:56:56 -0500 From: "Mark Duker" <mark_duker at ipsd.org>
>      Subject: Re: [Ranches] golf
[...]
>      List-Id: for Dudes,
>              Dude Ranches and General Ranchers <ranches.mail.otherguys.org>
>      List-Unsubscribe:
> <https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/listinfo/ranches>,
> <mailto:ranches-request at mail.otherguys.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <https://mail.otherguys.org/mailman/private/ranches/>
>
>      I'm planning on Saturday AND Sunday mornings.
>
>      MAD
>
>      Received: from bhgl_5.brinkshofer.com (smtp.brinkshofer.com
> [::ffff:216.4.30.16]) by trieger.org with esmtp; Wed, 15 May 2002 12:02:55
> -0500
>      X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3
>      content-class: urn:content-classes:message
>      MIME-Version: 1.0
>      Content-Type: text/plain;
>              charset="us-ascii"

You appear to be missing the "From abc at xyz hh:mm:ss" line (this is not its
exact format, but it's similar) that marks the beginning of a new message in
mbox format.

The "From: " header line doesn't actually delimit a message. There should be a
line that begins with "From " (no colon) ahead of the "Received: " headers in
each message.

I'd look for a problem with your mail delivery agent, which seems to be
stripping these off.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://www.4th.com/    | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From netcfs at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 14 02:08:05 2002
From: netcfs at shaw.ca (Yves Bajard)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:08:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions from a beginner
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613123421.028dbb70@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net>

Dear colleagues:

I am beginning to use mailman as a vehicle to support several discussion 
groups on the space I buy from a commercial server in Ontario. I would like 
one of the lists to let all messages go through and be broadcast without 
having to be approved by the administrator, except those of administrative 
nature and incoming SPAM.

I would also like the archives to be public, and the list of subscribers to 
be restricted to members, without the constraint of forcing them to use a 
password.

I also would like to put all incoming messages of relevance to our theme on 
a newsgroup.

Now, I have gone to my administration site, and
(1) opened the general options page:
    * no problem for the list name, address of administrators, general 
title and descriptive introduction, the prefix, the welcome message to 
newcomers and the regrets message to those who leave.
    * I have  chosen to
        * have the replies sent to "this list",
        * nothing in the "explicit reply to";
        * answered "yes" about    "Check postings and intercept ones that 
seem to be administrative requests?";
        * "no" to "Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead 
of directly to user",
        * no change to the suffix
        *  Yes to the item"Send monthly password reminders or no?". I do 
not see what the sentence "Overrides the previous option." means or implies..
        * Yes to "Send welcome message when people subscribe?"
        * No to "Should administrator get immediate notice of new requests, 
as well as daily notices about collected ones?"
        * No to "Should administrator get notices of subscribes/unsubscribes?"
        * No to "Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?

(2) Then I went to the privacy page and did the following:
    * asked for the list to be advertised
    * limited the manoeuvre for subscription to "confirm"
    * limited access to the list of subscirbers to the administrators
    * answered "not " to "Show member addrs so they're not directly 
recognizable as email addrs?"
    * Answered "no" to "Must posts be approved by an administrator?"
    * Answered "no" to  "Restrict posting privilege to list members? 
(member_posting_only)
    * Did not put any address in the box for " members accepted for posting 
to this list without implicit approval requirement. / while not fully 
understanding what the next sentence" (See "Restrict ... to list members" 
for whether or not this is in addition to allowing posting by list members 
" meant.
    * Answered yes to "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) 
field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?", and did 
not put any aliases in the next box
    * and left the rest at default
3. For the archives, I did keep the default, i.e, messages to be archived, 
archives open to the public, set date of sending to refer to the message 
and kept a monthly organization.

4. I did not touch the other pages, although I would like to organize the 
list so that a newsgroup sic related and takes on the archives.

5. In spite of all that, the administrators still receive the messages sent 
to the list for approval.. Wher does th thing go wrong and what should we do?

Thanks in advance for any help and advice

Yves Bajard











From jeff at popmail.med.nyu.edu  Fri Jun 14 03:23:14 2002
From: jeff at popmail.med.nyu.edu (Jeff Berliner)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:23:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd admindb crashes
Message-ID: <1132036.3232992194@[192.168.1.9]>

--On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 10:58 PM -0700 Dave Regan
<regan at mordred.ao.com> wrote:
>> [Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature
>> end  of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
>
>
> You will want to look at your web server logs, in particular the
> error_log for the server or virtual server in question.  On some
> machines, this might be in /var/log/httpd, but it could well be
> different for you.
>
> This error message will be more interesting to diagnose your real
> problem.

        The error I quoted above is the _only_ error message in the
webserver log.  There's noting else, like a python traceback or
whatever malformed header is being created :(  Just:

[Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature
end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb

        That's why I have no clues where to look.  Any way to get
debugging information from admindb?  How could I run it from the
command line (when I try now I get wrapper errors about the GID not
matching)?

                                                - Jeff


--
Jeff Berliner                            jeff at popmail.med.nyu.edu
Information Technology,                  Phone: (212) 263-2051
New York University School of Medicine   Fax:   (212) 263-8542






From netcfs at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 14 06:14:30 2002
From: netcfs at shaw.ca (Yves Bajard)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:14:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] from a beginner, again
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613211028.029cf390@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net>

Dear colleagues in mailman use:

My initial problem of reference to administrator for post approval in spite 
of our intent to let them all pass, except administrative and SPAM have 
apparently been resolved very rapidly, thanks to Bob Weissman.

The only remaining one is the setting up of a newsgroup or usegroup, to 
which all messages to the list would be posted automatically for public 
access. I have never done that and never touched a newsgroup.  gudiance and 
help would be welcome.

Thanks

Yves Bajard






From crebuck at attglobal.net  Fri Jun 14 06:30:20 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:30:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: On Behalf Of feature
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206131612360.25147-100000@yourmomma.myip.org>
Message-ID: <00dd01c2135c$31ef71d0$0200000a@chadr>

I think this is due to the way some email problems handle the From and the
sender field.  In one of my posts to the list the header has these values :

From: "Chad Rebuck" <crebuck at attglobal.net>
Sender: a2-16v-admin at maillist.myip.org

Some email programs reply to the From email address, while I believe others
use the Sender field.  If I could omit the Sender field or set it = to the
>From field I think it will work as I would prefer.  Is there an easy way to
do this?

Chad

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Rebuck" <chadr at yourmomma.myip.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: On Behalf Of feature


> When I see my posts to the list I often see "On Behalf Of Chad Rebuck".  I
> am the admin for the list, but when I send an email to the list I don't
> want it to appear to come from a2-16v-admin at maillist.myip.org.  I want it
> to appear to come from crebuck at attglobal.net.  Am I overlooking an option
> in mailman?
>
> example header:
>
> From: a2-16v-admin at maillist.myip.org
> [mailto:a2-16v-admin at maillist.myip.org]On Behalf Of Chad Rebuck
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>





From sarnold at arnolds.dhs.org  Fri Jun 14 06:54:38 2002
From: sarnold at arnolds.dhs.org (Steve Arnold)
Date: 13 Jun 2002 21:54:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] dumb newbie questions
Message-ID: <1024030478.2755.52.camel@rama>

Howdy:

I'm a mailman newbie, and after reading the basic docs, readmes, and
FAQs, I still have some questions.  I'm running the 2.0.11 rpm on RedHat
7.1 with courier smtp, apache, and zope.  I guess the zope part is only
relevant because I had to modify the mod_rewrite rules for the mailman
cgis.  Anyway, I have it installed and running, at least partially. 
Here are my current issues:

1) It looks like the mailman cron jobs did not get installed by the rpm
(at least I don't see them in any of the Redhat cron directories).  I
tried running the crontab.in, but I can't seem to become the mailman
user, so nothing gets installed.  The mailman user and group were
created by the install, though.  What can I do?

2) The server apache and mailman run on is behind an ip-masq firewall,
with the public URL on port 8080 being forwarded in to port 80 on the
the machine running mailman.  I specified the URL as:

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME ='arnolds.dhs.org'
DEFAULT_URL       = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

but the admin page shows only "www.arnolds.bogus Mailing Lists" in the
banner at the top of the page.  I run DNS for internal-only name
resolution, so I have my own bogus domain defined on my internal LAN. 
Is there a way around this?  I haven't yet tried to see the mailman
pages from the outside world, so maybe it's not a problem...

Is it hopeless for me to try to run it in this configuration?  I'd
appreciate any and all help and/or feedback.

Thanks in advance, Steve Arnold

http://arnolds.dhs.org:8080







From bob at nleaudio.com  Fri Jun 14 07:10:09 2002
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:10:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail forwarding loops - discovered!
References: <20020614043101.1799.81965.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3D097AB1.415EC0BB@nleaudio.com>

Hello all,

I have been recently seeing a bunch of "Mail forwarding Loop" messages in my Postfix mail log.  After pouring over this stuff for several hours, I think I found the
problem... Microsoft!

Seriously, here's the scoop: a user sends a message to the list, which gets properly distributed.  Sometime later (I've seen a few hours to a few days), the exact message
that went out of the list mysteriously comes back to the list, with the same FROM: (usually the list's admin address), and the same TO: address (the list posting address). 
Postfix catches the loop, as it sees it's "Delivered-To" line in there, and bounces the message back to the sender, which sometimes is the real sender, other times is the
list bounce address.

The sender gets the bounce, and thinks their message didn't go out, when it really did.

I've seen at least three different mail servers that have caused this: a roadrunner server, xt1.xtlab.com, and some other one in Australia.  The common thread is that they
are all running Microsoft mail server software.  One of the messages had a header line that indicated it came from some webmail server, so it's possible that the webmail
server software itself is somehow buggered up, and sends out these messages when the user does something.  If it is user interaction, that would explain the random delay I
saw (up to 2 days on one message).

Here's a sample header, with some comments:

>From DRSpoelhof at cs.com  Thu Jun 13 22:09:44 2002
Return-Path: <DRSpoelhof at cs.com>
Delivered-To: cscmsgs at nlenet.net    <--- my separate test mailbox to collect this message
Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55])
        by list.nlenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DA9128
        for <csc at lists.churchsoundcheck.com>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:09:44 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mail pickup service by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
         Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:58:19 -0400   <--- HERE'S THE REMAILED MESSAGE GOING OUT!
Received: from ncmx01.mgw.rr.com ([24.93.67.251]) by mail8.nc.rr.com  with Microsoft  SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); <-- Here's where the original message got delivered
         Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:01:15 -0400            <--- NOTICE THE DATE CHANGE!
Received: from list.nlenet.net (list.nlenet.net [208.178.159.75])
        by ncmx01.mgw.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CC1FbC010819;
        Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:01:15 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from list.nlenet.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
        by list.nlenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP
        id 0368EFE; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:01:11 -0400 (EDT)
Delivered-To: csc at nlenet.net
Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103])
  by list.nlenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E2EF8 for
  <csc at lists.churchsoundcheck.com>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:00:56 -0400
  (EDT)
Received: from DRSpoelhof at cs.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.)
  id 7.cb.23799993 (657) for <csc at lists.churchsoundcheck.com>; Wed, 12
  Jun 2002 08:00:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: DRSpoelhof at cs.com
Message-ID: <cb.23799993.2a3891f2 at cs.com>
Subject: Re: [CSC] surge protection
To: csc at lists.churchsoundcheck.com

My solution (for now) was to insert procmail into the picture, scan the message for the "Delivered-To" the list address header, and if present, dump the message to the
bit-bucket.  Otherwise, the message gets passed on to Mailman.  But the mail server software needs to be fixed!

I'm sure others out there are going to see this same thing happening.  I've seen it on a few different servers of my own, so I know it's not just one specific machine.

Bob




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Jun 14 07:00:26 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:00:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mail forwarding loops - discovered!
In-Reply-To: <3D097AB1.415EC0BB@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <B92EC67A.410D7%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 6/13/02 10:10 PM, "Bob Puff at NLE" <bob at nleaudio.com> wrote:

> But the mail 
> server software needs to be fixed!

Thanks, Bob. I needed the laugh.

Yes, that server software is broken. When I run into them, I blackhole them
so they can't annoy my servers any more. Soemtimes it gets their attention.
Amazingly often, it doesn't seem to.




-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen
asleep yet.





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Fri Jun 14 07:45:10 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:45:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives
In-Reply-To: <157.ed18b94.2a2da56e@aol.com>
References: <157.ed18b94.2a2da56e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20020614054510.GA880@merlins.org>

On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 01:09:02AM -0400, Topaz11green at aol.com wrote:
 
While there seems to be a bug, note that:

> Since this is a discussion list, it's useful to have the "Reply-To:" option 
> set up as "This List."
 
Note that this is a common misconception.
It's all between the brain and the fingers...
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6693&group_id=1
 
Very few  of us  use the reply-to  munging misfeature, so  it's not  as well
tested.

Marc
-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Jun 14 10:10:49 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:10:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] On Behalf Of feature 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chad Rebuck <crebuck@attglobal.net> 
   of "Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:18:08 EDT." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206131612360.25147-100000@yourmomma.myip.org> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206131612360.25147-100000@yourmomma.myip.org> 
Message-ID: <20405.1024042249@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:18:08 -0400 (EDT) 
Chad Rebuck <crebuck at attglobal.net> wrote:

> When I see my posts to the list I often see "On Behalf Of Chad
> Rebuck".  I am the admin for the list, but when I send an email to the
> list I don't want it to appear to come from
> a2-16v-admin at maillist.myip.org.  I want it to appear to come from
> crebuck at attglobal.net.  Am I overlooking an option in mailman?

Nope.  You're overlooking a braindead and standards violating aspect of
Microsoft Outlook.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ts at cisto.com  Fri Jun 14 15:08:14 2002
From: ts at cisto.com (Thilak)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:38:14 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect email address
Message-ID: <3D09EABE.E7EAF61B@cisto.com>

Hi,

When Mailman determines that an email address is incorrect?  Is the
address simply
taken off the list or are the administrators notified in some way?

Thanks,
Thilak




From chrisw at signalbhn.org  Fri Jun 14 17:35:02 2002
From: chrisw at signalbhn.org (Chris Wiegand)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:35:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives
In-Reply-To: <20020614054510.GA880@merlins.org>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAACYaTx7ahZ0qh7f8QnGTHJcKAAAAQAAAAS9cUwWWR/UmoqeDq5Mt22gEAAAAA@signalbhn.org>

Okay, I have a question on this topic:

Here, all of my users are Windows users, and non-technical ones at that.
I read on that sourceforge page:

> For the remaining people who do not want two copies and can't remove 
> duplicates on their side, the next version of mailman will allow on a 
> per user basis, to not receive a copy of a post if you were already 
> Cced in the mail headers.

So, where is this feature in 2.1? I'd love to play with it, if I can.
Most of my users are in the habit of using Reply All already, but there
are some who just don't. The whole Reply-To modification isn't quite as
big of a deal to us as some sites, however, we use Mailman to document
our interactions with clients, and making it easier for our users to use
it scores me big points. If a user could opt out of Cced emails to them,
however, I could turn the munging off (not that I consider it bad, the
From: line still stays the same...)

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Marc MERLIN
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 23:45
To: Topaz11green at aol.com
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives


On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 01:09:02AM -0400, Topaz11green at aol.com wrote:
 
While there seems to be a bug, note that:

> Since this is a discussion list, it's useful to have the "Reply-To:" 
> option
> set up as "This List."
 
Note that this is a common misconception.
It's all between the brain and the fingers...
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=6693&group_id=1
 
Very few  of us  use the reply-to  munging misfeature, so  it's not  as
well tested.

Marc
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From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Fri Jun 14 17:55:50 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:55:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAACYaTx7ahZ0qh7f8QnGTHJcKAAAAQAAAAS9cUwWWR/UmoqeDq5Mt22gEAAAAA@signalbhn.org>
References: <20020614054510.GA880@merlins.org> <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAACYaTx7ahZ0qh7f8QnGTHJcKAAAAQAAAAS9cUwWWR/UmoqeDq5Mt22gEAAAAA@signalbhn.org>
Message-ID: <20020614155550.GH25232@merlins.org>

On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 09:35:02AM -0600, Chris Wiegand wrote:
> Here, all of my users are Windows users, and non-technical ones at that.
> I read on that sourceforge page:
> 
> > For the remaining people who do not want two copies and can't remove 
> > duplicates on their side, the next version of mailman will allow on a 
> > per user basis, to not receive a copy of a post if you were already 
> > Cced in the mail headers.
> 
> So, where is this feature in 2.1? I'd love to play with it, if I can.

It's called nodupes and it's enabled by default.
(it's a per user option)

Marc
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From atrieger at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 14 18:58:59 2002
From: atrieger at yahoo.com (Andrew Trieger)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:58:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] solved - mailman archives missing but raw text file available
Message-ID: <3D0A20D3.5D642151@yahoo.com>

Another user had this problem and it was a spam program removing the
>From header field.  note, there are two FROM header fields, there's
From:  which is down in the list of headers a bit, but the first one is
evidently always "From name date"  where date has spaces too.  this is i
guess the mbox format, or part of it anyway.

so my problem was my mailserver is courier and it uses maildir format
for storage.  I found that if i simply added a dummy From line to the
beginning of every message in my archive and reran "arch <listname>" it
would do the right thing and generate all the html.  it doesnt use the
name here or the date, gets them from the Date: header field and Sender:
or From:

anyway, i couldnt figure out how to have courier switch to old mbox
format for just the users for this list, so what i did was to use the
local mail delivery agent already on my mandrake linux box, procmail.

where the aliases normally would be this:

ranches:                     |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
ranches
ranches-admin:           |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
ranches
ranches-request:         |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
ranches
ranches-owner:           ranches-admin


I had to change it to this:


ranches:                 ranches-dup,ranches-arch
ranches-admin:           |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
ranches
ranches-request:         |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
ranches
ranches-owner:           ranches-admin

# used to duplicate where the email goes
ranches-dup:             |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post ranches
ranches-arch:           |procmail -d ranches-arch


so email to the list goes to ranches (the list name in this case) and it
then is duplicated, one copy continues on to the list where i have
archiving TURNED OFF (but the options for how to build it (yearly,
monthly, etc.) set.   the other copy goes to this new user but is
delivered via procmail.

then i wrote a simple 10 line shell script to check if the mbox file for
this new user was newer than the mailman archive file for this list,
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/ranches/ranches.mbox/ranches.mbox
if memory serves.

if it was, it cat'd the whole thing into this archive file and ran "arch
ranches" which rebuilt the html pages.

it works now, so thanks to those who gave me hints and i hope this
solution helps others use courier with mailman as they both work pretty
well.

Drew



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From dlhboat at ifn.net  Fri Jun 14 19:40:49 2002
From: dlhboat at ifn.net (Dave Hinders)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:40:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
Message-ID: <000001c213ca$bcea7a00$0100a8c0@mshome.net>

We are using Mailman to distribute messages generated by our web server.
Some of these messages are intercepted and require admin approval.  The
reason given is:
 
Message has implicit destination
 
The list address is present in either the To: or CC: fields, so I'm
confused about the cause.  One thing which I noticed in the header was
"(may be forged)".  If this is the culprit, how should I configure to
allow these message to pass thru?
 
Received: from smarthost.netservers.net (smtp4.netservers.net
[64.45.27.104] (may be forged))
 
Dave Hinders
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From twitch at nervestaple.com  Fri Jun 14 22:12:30 2002
From: twitch at nervestaple.com (Christopher Miles)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Large Mailing List (431)
Message-ID: <B92FC66E.3D7E%twitch@nervestaple.com>

Hello

I have a rather large mailing list, I?m also a new Mailman user. I work for
an ISP, and a couple of the organizations we host have had problems with
Yahoo! Groups, so we have setup Mailman for them.

The group in question has around 500 members, which seems like kind of a lot
to me. I?ve noticed a lot of errors in the log file like this one:

---- snippety-snip

Jun 14 14:50:41 alice courieresmtpd:
error,relay=::ffff:127.0.0.1,from=<haitireport-admin at haitireborn.org>,to=<ma
rthag at bestweb.net>: 431 Too many recipients.

---- snip-snippety

Is this a problem on my end, do you think? I?m running Mailman on Courier,
and to me this looks like a message from the SMTP server my machine is
delivering to. Is there anything I can do about this?

The second problem I have it with using the same instance of Mailman for
several domains. I was thinking that this would be easy, but I?m having
problems with the GID used to execute the mail scripts. When I compile, it
seems like no matter how many GID?s I list in the ?--with-mail-gid? switch,
it only uses the first one. So if mail comes in for another domain, it can?t
exec the script.

Is there any way to get around this?

Any help you may have would, honestly, be very much appreciated.

Thank You,
-- Miles
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From t4ch1b4n4 at ybb.ne.jp  Tue Jun 11 18:31:15 2002
From: t4ch1b4n4 at ybb.ne.jp (t4ch1b4n4 at ybb.ne.jp)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:31:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] text only Mailman
Message-ID: <a04320401b92bd4e5e733@[219.23.44.82]>

Hello

I'd like to know if it's possible to configure Mailman to be test only 
rather than html. I haven't been able to find this info in the 
documentation on the web site nor in Chris Kolar's admin's guide

thanks

Ian Masters




From tracy at snellfamily.com  Tue Jun 11 19:49:18 2002
From: tracy at snellfamily.com (Tracy Snell)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:49:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0206111933590.12106-100000@gaura.nitai.hr>
Message-ID: <B92BB05E.DE44%tracy@snellfamily.com>

On 6/11/02 1:35 PM, "Gour" <gour at mail.inet.hr> wrote:

> I can just confirm that I have the same problem, but so far didn't get
> any reply hot to resolve it.
> 
> I also have Mailman 2.0.11 plus htdig patch.

Just needed to install the cron jobs. Didn't realize they were needed for
delivery. All is well now. Running virtual domains, it all is working as
advertised.






From johnpaul at liii.com  Wed Jun 12 10:11:40 2002
From: johnpaul at liii.com (johnpaul)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:11:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML MAILINGS??/
Message-ID: <3D07023C.7090306@liii.com>

Does this program support html mailings?
If it does not do you know of and possibly sell any programs that do?

Thanks
Jp





From regan at mordred.ao.com  Wed Jun 12 07:58:43 2002
From: regan at mordred.ao.com (Dave Regan)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:58:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd admindb crashes
Message-ID: <200206120558.g5C5wh110547@mordred.ao.com>

Jeff Berliner <jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu> writes:

>         We've had Mailman working just fine for two years, but in the 
> past day we've encountered a perplexing problem.  While all other 
> functions continue to operate normally (mail is sent, listinfo, options 
> and admin scripts all work), the admindb script has begun returning an 
> "Internal Server Error", and logging the following in the web-server 
> error log:
>
> [Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature end 
> of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb


You will want to look at your web server logs, in particular the 
error_log for the server or virtual server in question.  On some
machines, this might be in /var/log/httpd, but it could well be
different for you.

This error message will be more interesting to diagnose your real
problem.

			Dave Regan
			regan at ao.com




From jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu  Wed Jun 12 12:11:29 2002
From: jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu (Jeff Berliner)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:11:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd admindb crashes
In-Reply-To: <200206120558.g5C5wh110547@mordred.ao.com>
Message-ID: <1660072802.1023862289@mc-as01-p71.med.nyu.edu>

--On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 10:58 PM -0700 Dave Regan
<regan at mordred.ao.com> wrote:
>> [Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature
>> end  of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
> 
> 
> You will want to look at your web server logs, in particular the 
> error_log for the server or virtual server in question.  On some
> machines, this might be in /var/log/httpd, but it could well be
> different for you.
> 
> This error message will be more interesting to diagnose your real
> problem.

        The error I quoted above is the _only_ error message in the
webserver log.  There's noting else, like a python traceback or
whatever malformed header is being created :(  Just:

[Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature
end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb

        That's why I have no clues where to look.  Any way to get
debugging information from admindb?  How could I run it from the
command line (when I try now I get wrapper errors about the GID not
matching)?

                                                - Jeff


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From ts at cisto.com  Fri Jun 14 23:32:08 2002
From: ts at cisto.com (Thilak)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:02:08 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Browser timing out
Message-ID: <3D0A60D8.A32C8F9E@cisto.com>

Hi

I can just about manage to login to the list admin section but as soon
as I
have used it for a while and try to edit or view the subscribers list,
the whole site just stops working (browser keeps timing out) and none of
the pages load at all. I tried from my office T3 connection with the
same result. Usually after a few hours, I can login again but then the
same problem happens again. Please help me in correcting this.

Thanks,
Thilak.




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 01:26:54 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:26:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tremendous horror!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206131558470.7362-100000@scout18.cs.wisc.edu>; from frank@cs.wisc.edu on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 04:02:13PM -0500
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206131558470.7362-100000@scout18.cs.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <20020615012654.E55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 04:02:13PM -0500, Adam Frank wrote:
> I have been running a list for some time now, and recently seemingly
> random subscription confirmations are being sent to people on the
> list. Some people are reporting recieving over a dozen confirmations a
> day (you know, the "Confirm xxxxxxxxx")! Does anyone know what could be
> causing this, because it is really annoying the heck out of the people on
> my list!

Are they being fired off from the cron ? or sent after web administration ?

Gr,

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From rbs at snippets.org  Sat Jun 15 01:55:22 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:55:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with arch
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206141845090.3029-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

OK, I tried arch to import my old procmail archives. From
/usr/lib/mailman/bin, I used...

./arch <listname> <mbox>

...where <mbox> was a local copy of one of the old archives containing
message from back in 1999. Instead of importing them correctly, it only
seemed to bloat the size of the May-2002 archive without increasing the
apparent number of messages in the detailed view. I now have a May-2002
archive of over 6 Mb with only 122 messages. Whether these are still valid
or not is debatable since arch did *something* to bloat the archive from
its original 1 Mb.

The Procmail archives appear to be in standard mbox format, appearing
identical to my Pine folders. What have I missed?!? At least my June-2002
archives appear untouched...

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From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 01:30:48 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:30:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
In-Reply-To: <000001c213ca$bcea7a00$0100a8c0@mshome.net>; from dlhboat@ifn.net on Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:40:49AM -0700
References: <000001c213ca$bcea7a00$0100a8c0@mshome.net>
Message-ID: <20020615013048.F55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:40:49AM -0700, Dave Hinders wrote:

> Message has implicit destination
>  
> The list address is present in either the To: or CC: fields, so I'm

Are you sure the /exact/ name is present in to or cc ? You might want to put
some extra possibilities in $acceptable_aliases ..

Gr,

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From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 01:31:24 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:31:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML MAILINGS??/
In-Reply-To: <3D07023C.7090306@liii.com>; from johnpaul@liii.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:11:40AM -0400
References: <3D07023C.7090306@liii.com>
Message-ID: <20020615013124.G55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:11:40AM -0400, johnpaul wrote:
> Does this program support html mailings?
> If it does not do you know of and possibly sell any programs that do?

Depending on the settings used, it /could/ support HTML mailings, yes.

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From courtney at 4th.com  Sat Jun 15 02:12:37 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Large Mailing List (431)
In-Reply-To: <B92FC66E.3D7E%twitch@nervestaple.com>
References: <B92FC66E.3D7E%twitch@nervestaple.com>
Message-ID: <200206142012.37347.courtney@4th.com>

On Friday 14 June 2002 04:12 pm, Christopher Miles wrote:
>
> The group in question has around 500 members, which seems like kind of a
> lot to me. I?ve noticed a lot of errors in the log file like this one:
>
> ---- snippety-snip
>
> Jun 14 14:50:41 alice courieresmtpd:
> error,relay=::ffff:127.0.0.1,from=<haitireport-admin at haitireborn.org>,to=<m
>a rthag at bestweb.net>: 431 Too many recipients.
>
> ---- snip-snippety

It may be that the person attempting to post is putting a bunch of CC:
recipients onto a post to the list. There is a configurable (per list)
parameter in Mailman to reject messages that have too many recipients in
the TO: and CC: lines (combined). This prevents massive cross-posting.
I'm not familiar with Courier SMTPD, but it is possible that the Mailman
wrapper is actually generating this message, not Courier itself.

It could also be that Courier is choking on the number of "RCPT TO:" lines
in the envelope headers from the list. You may need to adjust Courier's
parameters.

[...]
> The second problem I have it with using the same instance of Mailman for
> several domains. I was thinking that this would be easy, but I?m having
> problems with the GID used to execute the mail scripts. When I compile, it
> seems like no matter how many GID?s I list in the ?--with-mail-gid? switch,
> it only uses the first one. So if mail comes in for another domain, it
> can?t exec the script.

This is "working as designed" per the installation documentation. The ability
to list multiple GIDs on the ./configure command is so that installations can
be automated on multi-host environments. It looks for each specified GID in
turn and uses the first one that actually exists on the system.

>
> Is there any way to get around this?
>

There are several approaches. Tell us how your virtual domains are mapped
to your login names (generically, not a specific list of logins). Is it one-
to-one or many-to-one?

Scott

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From jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu  Wed Jun 12 12:11:29 2002
From: jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu (Jeff Berliner)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:11:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] odd admindb crashes
In-Reply-To: <200206120558.g5C5wh110547@mordred.ao.com>
Message-ID: <1660072802.1023862289@mc-as01-p71.med.nyu.edu>

--On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 10:58 PM -0700 Dave Regan
<regan at mordred.ao.com> wrote:
>> [Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature
>> end  of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
> 
> 
> You will want to look at your web server logs, in particular the 
> error_log for the server or virtual server in question.  On some
> machines, this might be in /var/log/httpd, but it could well be
> different for you.
> 
> This error message will be more interesting to diagnose your real
> problem.

        The error I quoted above is the _only_ error message in the
webserver log.  There's noting else, like a python traceback or
whatever malformed header is being created :(  Just:

[Tue Jun 11 21:32:35 2002] [error] [client 66.149.36.100] Premature
end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb

        That's why I have no clues where to look.  Any way to get
debugging information from admindb?  How could I run it from the
command line (when I try now I get wrapper errors about the GID not
matching)?

                                                - Jeff


--
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Information Technology,                  Phone: (212) 263-2051
New York University School of Medicine   Fax:   (212) 263-8542
 




From rudinsky at jwfc.jfcom.mil  Wed Jun 12 15:51:13 2002
From: rudinsky at jwfc.jfcom.mil (Rudinsky, Melanie M CONT JW1063)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:51:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <11757F8888328A43893028676CA8B67702BBBF69@EXCHSUF01.jfcom.mil>

Is it possible to import files from LSERV?  If so, where can I find out how?
Thank you!
 
 
_______________________
 
Melanie Rudinsky
JWFC/J7 Web Administration
U. S. Joint Forces Command
(757) 686-7228
rudinsky at jwfc.jfcom.mil <mailto:rudinsky at jwfc.jfcom.mil> 
 
 
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From jody1161 at excite.com  Wed Jun 12 22:33:52 2002
From: jody1161 at excite.com (Jody Wishner)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:33:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <20020612203352.688CE1E4A6@xmxpita.excite.com>

 I'm kind of a Novis, and recently set up my own homepage online. I have set up a mailing list and have figured out how many of the options effect the mailinglist and how to register people.
 
Now I know this may seem like a dumb question, but if I want to do a mass mailing to everyone on my mailing list (almost like a spam mailing), is there a way in your program to write an e-mail and have it address everyone on the list, something like the mass enrollment screen. 
 
I have set myself up as an administrator and no one on the list can access any funtionality. Where do I go to do a regular mass e-mail?

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From schattev at biochem.mpg.de  Thu Jun 13 09:36:19 2002
From: schattev at biochem.mpg.de (Ruben Schattevoy)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:36:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to restrict a list to a given set of networks
Message-ID: <3D084B73.3060003@biochem.mpg.de>

How would I best protect a mailinglist
for being accessable just from a given
set of networks?

I know how to protect a directory via
apaches .htaccess mechanism. But which
subdirectories would I have to treat
this way? I not only want to restrict
the list archive but also want to re-
strict the subscription to senders from
my set of networks.
-- 
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Max Planck Institute of Biochemistry      mailto:schattev at biochem.mpg.de
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From ygingras at eclipsys.qc.ca  Thu Jun 13 16:07:57 2002
From: ygingras at eclipsys.qc.ca (Yannick Gingras)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:07:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list with spaces in it's name
Message-ID: <20020613130558.0166933986@LINPDC.eclipsys.qc.ca>

Hi, 
   I'm really pleased with mailman, this is helping me a lot to get my 
delelopers in touch.  

I just have a little problem here.  I accidentaly created a list with spaces 
in it's name and I can't remove it with the rmlist script.  I supose it is 
related to the spaces in it's name.  What should be the right procedure to 
remove the list by hand without breaking my mailman instalation ? 

Thanks again to all the mailman team, this is a great piece of code !

-- 
Yannick Gingras
Network Programer
ESC:wq




From root at dns2.orra.gob.pe  Thu Jun 13 20:24:37 2002
From: root at dns2.orra.gob.pe (root)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:24:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem-Send
Message-ID: <200206131824.g5DIObv07841@dns2.orra.gob.pe>

My List? do not send mails to all members
Only recive mail the test at dn2.orra.gob.pe




From mike at net3media.com  Thu Jun 13 22:50:56 2002
From: mike at net3media.com (Mike @ Net3Media)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:50:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Solvers anyone?
Message-ID: <KLECLPDKCOOAGHBCEHOBOEFKCMAA.mike@net3media.com>

We are in need of someone who can configure our installation of MailMan.

We send 400,000 emails per day and up to 800K about 4 times per month.

The delivery time is critical and cannot take ALL day to complete.

We are running Linux 7, sendmail on a 1.2Ghz machine with 1 Gig of memory.
We have plenty bandwidth and sufficient connections to the outside world.

Any takers?

-Mike





From anton at taiga.org  Fri Jun 14 00:15:52 2002
From: anton at taiga.org (Anton Andreasson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:15:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman administor notification cycle?
Message-ID: <p05100303b92ec810f829@[194.236.63.142]>

Hi, (hope this is the right email address and that you can throw away 
a short reply.)

I've tried with many sites and friends to get an answer about whether 
there exist a function in Mailman that sends out the administration 
notification in a kind of "cycling" manner - that is, for every 
blocked/halted mail in the filter only one administrator would get an 
email and for the next block the other admin in turn would get that 
one.

If not available, would you consider developing this function? I see 
many advantages of it - one being the decreasing in mail traffic for 
each list admin. And, if you decide you haven't got the time to 
administer the mail at the time of notification, the next admin in 
turn would just get one more message to filter when s/he gets the 
next notification mail.

Are you following my point here? :)

Thanx for your time, please redirect this message to the appropriate 
person/list or reply me with a better address, will you?

in solidarity,

/Anton, indymedia sweden volunteer
-- 
Anton Andreasson, anton at taiga.org, PGPid: 0xC6CADDC3




From root at dns2.orra.gob.pe  Fri Jun 14 00:41:42 2002
From: root at dns2.orra.gob.pe (root)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:41:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem - Send
Message-ID: <200206132241.g5DMfgM11414@dns2.orra.gob.pe>

Helo World

My List do not send mail at the members
only recive the admin-email





From bates at stat.wisc.edu  Fri Jun 14 01:36:17 2002
From: bates at stat.wisc.edu (Douglas Bates)
Date: 13 Jun 2002 18:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble trying to discard spam
Message-ID: <6rwut2rbta.fsf@franz.stat.wisc.edu>

I am using mailman version 2.0.9 (Debian package 2.0.9-1) on a Debian
GNU/Linux system.

Mailman is doing a wonderful job of catching quite a bit of the spam
and virus messages sent to a mailing list that I maintain.  Mailman
sends me mail that there are administrative requests pending.  I bring
up the administrative requests page, click 'discard' for all of these
messages, then click 'Submit all data'.

At that point my browser hangs.  On occasion I have let it wait for an
entire day and still not gotten a response.

How can I diagnose why these messages are not being discarded?

Is there something else I could do to discard these messages?  I am
quite willing to run administrative programs directly or even use
python directly as in

 python -i bin/withlist listname

if I knew what to do after that. 

-- 
Douglas Bates                            bates at stat.wisc.edu
Statistics Department                    608/262-2598
University of Wisconsin - Madison        http://www.stat.wisc.edu/~bates/




From stevem at kenyaweb.com  Fri Jun 14 12:05:14 2002
From: stevem at kenyaweb.com (Steve Muchai)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:05:14 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tremendous horror!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206131558470.7362-100000@scout18.cs.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0206141304340.28603-100000@linux.form-net.com>

The first thing I'd do is take a look at the headers of the bogus confirm 
messages.
Steve

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002,Adam Frank was heard to exclaim:

> I have been running a list for some time now, and recently seemingly
> random subscription confirmations are being sent to people on the
> list. Some people are reporting recieving over a dozen confirmations a
> day (you know, the "Confirm xxxxxxxxx")! Does anyone know what could be
> causing this, because it is really annoying the heck out of the people on
> my list!
> 
> Thanks!
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From grisu at debian.org  Fri Jun 14 13:13:47 2002
From: grisu at debian.org (Michael Bramer)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:13:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman should not send approval mails...
Message-ID: <20020614131347.A20238@home.debsupport.de>

Hello

I use mailman is internal mailing distribution and mailman must/should
not send approval mails to the mail sender. 

Is there a option to send this approval mails to a internal mail address
or to switch off this all ?

Thanks

Gruss
Grisu
-- 
Michael Bramer  -  a Debian Linux Developer      http://www.debsupport.de
PGP: finger grisu at db.debian.org  -- Linux Sysadmin   -- Use Debian Linux
Documentation is like sex: if it is good, it's very good. If it is not
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From nezi at newmex.com  Fri Jun 14 18:33:38 2002
From: nezi at newmex.com (Michael Nezi)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:33:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reporting
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020614103001.00a754d0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Does mailman have a reporting feature installed into it?





From wprater at ebia.com  Fri Jun 14 21:35:07 2002
From: wprater at ebia.com (Will Prater)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:35:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman mysql?
Message-ID: <D53E4185-7FCD-11D6-B286-0030657CF2D8@ebia.com>

Mailman,

Does it have support to have the user base in an mySQL backend? I could 
not find anything describing this on you site.

Thanks

--will





From courtney at 4th.com  Fri Jun 14 23:34:03 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:34:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] text only Mailman
In-Reply-To: <a04320401b92bd4e5e733@[219.23.44.82]>
References: <a04320401b92bd4e5e733@[219.23.44.82]>
Message-ID: <200206141734.03070.courtney@4th.com>

On Tuesday 11 June 2002 12:31 pm, t4ch1b4n4 at ybb.ne.jp wrote:
> Hello
>
> I'd like to know if it's possible to configure Mailman to be test only
> rather than html. I haven't been able to find this info in the
> documentation on the web site nor in Chris Kolar's admin's guide
>

Version 2.1b2 (beta) has built-in support for this. I'm using it. :-)

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
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courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 01:22:50 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:22:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Preventing unsubscribe ?
Message-ID: <20020615012249.C55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

Hi,

I'm running a mandatory announce list (dont worry, its not spam, just things i
want people to know, for some friends etc, like where the free beer is ;), and
I'd like to know how i can prevent people from unsubscribing, or at least only
being able to unsubscribe when an admin explicitly allows it ..

Any hints ?

Gr,

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S at H:4673WU/6.363yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 01:25:58 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:25:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Large Mailing List (431)
In-Reply-To: <B92FC66E.3D7E%twitch@nervestaple.com>; from twitch@nervestaple.com on Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 04:12:30PM -0400
References: <B92FC66E.3D7E%twitch@nervestaple.com>
Message-ID: <20020615012558.D55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 04:12:30PM -0400, Christopher Miles wrote:

-8<-

> ---- snippety-snip
> 
> Jun 14 14:50:41 alice courieresmtpd:
> error,relay=::ffff:127.0.0.1,from=<haitireport-admin at haitireborn.org>,to=<ma
> rthag at bestweb.net>: 431 Too many recipients.
> 
> ---- snip-snippety

Mailman is trying to send all mail to your mailserver in one go. To prevent
spammish actions, the amount of recipients in one message is often limited.

The solution is, to make mailman split up the number of recipients sent in one
message. Now the question is, is this possible with mailman ?

I don't know ;)

Gr,


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Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4673WU/6.363yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From briert at cepu.ca  Sat Jun 15 04:24:59 2002
From: briert at cepu.ca (Timothy Brier)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:24:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Malfunctioning list
Message-ID: <016d01c21413$d8ec63a0$1e0aa8c0@cheryl>

Hi,

I'm running mailman 2.0.11 on a Redhat linux box.  All has been working fine
until now.


I have about 13 lists and all work except one.  When I send an e-mail to the
list xyz at xyz.com,
I turned ack on, I get back a message saying the msg was received, but
nothing is sent out to the lists members.  The other lists work fine.

I'm using Postfix for my MTA.   The logs, postfix and MailMan do not show
any errors.

If anyone has any ideas, I would appreciate it.


Tim.





From briert at cepu.ca  Sat Jun 15 05:45:10 2002
From: briert at cepu.ca (Timothy Brier)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:45:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Malfunction list
Message-ID: <16d001c2141f$0cd60710$1e0aa8c0@cheryl>

The problem has been found. Kaspersky, an anti-virus program does not allow
the e-mail to be delivered.  I'm going to drop this product.

I'm now open to any suggestions for an anti-virus solution for
postifx/mailman

Thanks

Tim





From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 16:03:24 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:03:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list with spaces in it's name
In-Reply-To: <20020613130558.0166933986@LINPDC.eclipsys.qc.ca>; from ygingras@eclipsys.qc.ca on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:07:57AM -0400
References: <20020613130558.0166933986@LINPDC.eclipsys.qc.ca>
Message-ID: <20020615160324.N55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:07:57AM -0400, Yannick Gingras wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
>    I'm really pleased with mailman, this is helping me a lot to get my 
> delelopers in touch.  
> 
> I just have a little problem here.  I accidentaly created a list with spaces 
> in it's name and I can't remove it with the rmlist script.  I supose it is 
> related to the spaces in it's name.  What should be the right procedure to 
> remove the list by hand without breaking my mailman instalation ? 

You could try

/path/to/mailman/bin/rmlist "place your listname here"

or even

/path/to/mailman/bin/rmlist 'place your listname here'

HTH & HAND

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4690WU/6.385yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 16:05:49 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:05:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem - Send
In-Reply-To: <200206132241.g5DMfgM11414@dns2.orra.gob.pe>; from root@dns2.orra.gob.pe on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 05:41:42PM -0500
References: <200206132241.g5DMfgM11414@dns2.orra.gob.pe>
Message-ID: <20020615160549.O55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 05:41:42PM -0500, root wrote:
> Helo World
> 
> My List do not send mail at the members
> only recive the admin-email

Probably a problem with the setup of your aliases, but we really need more
info to be able to help you .. Also, check if your question is listed in the
FAQ, the URL for it is listed below in the list seperator.

Gr,

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4690WU/6.385yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 16:15:54 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:15:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <20020612203352.688CE1E4A6@xmxpita.excite.com>; from jody1161@excite.com on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:33:52PM -0400
References: <20020612203352.688CE1E4A6@xmxpita.excite.com>
Message-ID: <20020615161554.Q55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

Hey Jody,

On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:33:52PM -0400, Jody Wishner wrote:

-8<-

> Now I know this may seem like a dumb question, but if I want to do a mass mailing to everyone on my mailing list (almost like a spam mailing), is there a way in your program to write an e-mail and have it address everyone on the list, something like the mass enrollment screen. 

You can use crontab to achieve this.

Crontab is a program that lets you schedule jobs, things to do, maintenance,
or send out emails :)

What you need to do is:

1) Put the text you want to email in a seperate textfile and put it on the
mailinglist server (it needs to be a machine which is powered on at the time
you want to send the email)
2) Make a commandline to send out the email.
   Personally, since I'm hooked on mutt, an email program, I'd use:
mutt list-address at my.example.org -s "Monthly FAQ Posting" < /your/path/to/message-1.txt

(this above is one line)
Do not type it in, just write it down in a seperate textfile or something, so
you can paste it in in step 3 ;)

3) Read the crontab manual page and decide how often you want to post this
message. In my example, it's monthly, and I'd like to send it every second day
of the month at 3 am, thus I add this crontab:

0 3 2 * * mutt list-address at my.example.org -s "Monthly FAQ Posting" < /your/path/to/message-1.txt

(again, this is one line!)

4) Wait till it's July 2nd, 3 am ans watch the fireworks ;)

Gr,

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4690WU/6.385yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 16:16:44 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:16:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <11757F8888328A43893028676CA8B67702BBBF69@EXCHSUF01.jfcom.mil>; from rudinsky@jwfc.jfcom.mil on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:51:13AM -0400
References: <11757F8888328A43893028676CA8B67702BBBF69@EXCHSUF01.jfcom.mil>
Message-ID: <20020615161644.R55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 09:51:13AM -0400, Rudinsky, Melanie M CONT JW1063 wrote:
> Is it possible to import files from LSERV?  If so, where can I find out how?

Which files do you want to import ?

Gr,

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Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
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From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 16:17:57 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:17:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Malfunction list
In-Reply-To: <16d001c2141f$0cd60710$1e0aa8c0@cheryl>; from briert@cepu.ca on Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 11:45:10PM -0400
References: <16d001c2141f$0cd60710$1e0aa8c0@cheryl>
Message-ID: <20020615161757.S55139@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 11:45:10PM -0400, Timothy Brier wrote:
> The problem has been found. Kaspersky, an anti-virus program does not allow
> the e-mail to be delivered.  I'm going to drop this product.
> 
> I'm now open to any suggestions for an anti-virus solution for
> postifx/mailman

Check rav-postfix .. it works nicely over here ;-)

Gr,

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4690WU/6.385yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From bob at nleaudio.com  Sat Jun 15 18:53:21 2002
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #2064 - 7 msgs
References: <20020615160004.15275.77643.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3D0B7101.180F95B8@nleaudio.com>

> I'm now open to any suggestions for an anti-virus solution for
> postifx/mailman

Very simple, very easy: block all .exe, .pif, .scr, .bat, .com files from entering your mail system.  Simple to do with Postfix.  Check out the postfix site for content
filtering.

Bob




From dbishop at pobox.com  Sat Jun 15 19:04:14 2002
From: dbishop at pobox.com (Doug Bishop)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:04:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman - Help!
Message-ID: <ADEPKFELNBGDNLEOHDDFMEBEDCAA.dbishop@pobox.com>

My hosting service just cut us over to new servers and software (with NO
prior notice I might add). In doing so all email accounts and mailing lists
were deleted. I've opened several tickets to them requesting tht they
restore my old messages and subscriber lists and send them to me and they've
ignored those requests.

One of my maillists was an announce-only list. You could subscribe, but not
post messages. Only the list administrator could post messages. I've not
been able to detemine how to set that up automatically in Mailman, and this
is another request that my hosting company has ignored (anyone know of any
good hosting companies that treat their customers like human beings?). Can
someone tell me how I would set up an announce/newsletter type maillist with
Mailman?

Thanks,

Doug Bishop
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From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Sat Jun 15 22:40:16 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:40:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Malfunctioning list
In-Reply-To: <016d01c21413$d8ec63a0$1e0aa8c0@cheryl>; from briert@cepu.ca on Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:24:59PM -0400
References: <016d01c21413$d8ec63a0$1e0aa8c0@cheryl>
Message-ID: <20020615224016.B81993@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:24:59PM -0400, Timothy Brier wrote:

> I have about 13 lists and all work except one.  When I send an e-mail to the
> list xyz at xyz.com,
> I turned ack on, I get back a message saying the msg was received, but
> nothing is sent out to the lists members.  The other lists work fine.

Was it held for admin moderation maybe ?

Just my $0.02 ;)

Gr,

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From briert at cepu.ca  Sat Jun 15 23:15:06 2002
From: briert at cepu.ca (Timothy Brier)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:15:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Malfunctioning list
References: <016d01c21413$d8ec63a0$1e0aa8c0@cheryl> <20020615224016.B81993@amor.yuckfou.org>
Message-ID: <01d401c214b1$b92ee3a0$1e0aa8c0@cheryl>

No it was defintaly Kaspersky.   When I enabled kavkeeper, the mesage
wouldn't go through, disabled, everything was fine.   Today I installed RAV
and everything is working fine.

Thanks,

Tim.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nils Vogels" <nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Malfunctioning list


> On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:24:59PM -0400, Timothy Brier wrote:
>
> > I have about 13 lists and all work except one.  When I send an e-mail to
the
> > list xyz at xyz.com,
> > I turned ack on, I get back a message saying the msg was received, but
> > nothing is sent out to the lists members.  The other lists work fine.
>
> Was it held for admin moderation maybe ?
>
> Just my $0.02 ;)
>
> Gr,
>
> --
> Nils Vogels PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
> S at H:4691WU/6.386yr --> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?
>
> My other computer is your windows box.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From jgotts at linuxsavvy.com  Sun Jun 16 02:28:09 2002
From: jgotts at linuxsavvy.com (jgotts at linuxsavvy.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:28:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail date oddity
Message-ID: <200206160028.g5G0S9u16231@ann-arbor.fmfts.com>

Perhaps this is a FAQ, but I've noticed several mailman/pipermail archives with
obviously incorrectly dated messages.  For example, you commonly see things
like 1 message for January 2010 in the web based archives.

Wouldn't it be trivial to redate a message that comes across dated 7 days in
the future or in the past?  That would presumably filter out the worst sort of
delivery delays.  Or perhaps you could add a line to those messages with
obviously bad dates and use that for the archiver rather than compromising the
original date.

John

-- 
John GOTTS <jgotts at linuxsavvy.com>  http://linuxsavvy.com/staff/jgotts




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Jun 16 11:53:19 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:53:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tremendous horror!
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206131558470.7362-100000@scout18.cs.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <3D0C600F.E8F3E5CA@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Adam Frank wrote:
> 
> I have been running a list for some time now, and recently seemingly
> random subscription confirmations are being sent to people on the
> list. Some people are reporting recieving over a dozen confirmations a
> day (you know, the "Confirm xxxxxxxxx")! Does anyone know what could be
> causing this, because it is really annoying the heck out of the people on
> my list!

my guess is some troll is subscribing other people's addresses. that's
what the confirm msgs are supposed to catch. probably not mailman's
fault.




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Jun 16 11:58:21 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:58:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman administor notification cycle?
References: <p05100303b92ec810f829@[194.236.63.142]>
Message-ID: <3D0C613D.96AEEA3F@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Anton Andreasson wrote:
> 
> Hi, (hope this is the right email address and that you can throw away
> a short reply.)
> 
> I've tried with many sites and friends to get an answer about whether
> there exist a function in Mailman that sends out the administration
> notification in a kind of "cycling" manner - that is, for every
> blocked/halted mail in the filter only one administrator would get an
> email and for the next block the other admin in turn would get that
> one.

i don't think this makes sense. when you have multiple moderators, each
sees all messages that need approval, so that if one is not reading his
email, the others can approve it.

if you are getting tired approving mails, leave the rest to your
colleagues... ;)




From abigail at webfavor.com  Mon Jun 17 06:02:17 2002
From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:02:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped sending mail to users after upgrade
Message-ID: <1633185824.20020616210217@webfavor.com>

Hi,
I recently upgraded to mailman 2.0.9 from a previous version (I
believe 2.0.3).  All functions of mailman seem to work fine - for
example I can subscribe a new member, utilize administrative features
with no problem, etc.  However, mail is not going out to members of
the list and when I send a test mail it doesn't go through.

I need help with figuring out what is wrong.

-Abigail





From jon at csh.rit.edu  Mon Jun 17 06:20:26 2002
From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:20:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail date oddity
In-Reply-To: <200206160028.g5G0S9u16231@ann-arbor.fmfts.com>
References: <200206160028.g5G0S9u16231@ann-arbor.fmfts.com>
Message-ID: <20020617042026.GA1746@csh.rit.edu>

On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 08:28:09PM -0400, jgotts at linuxsavvy.com wrote:

> Wouldn't it be trivial to redate a message that comes across dated 7 days in
> the future or in the past?  That would presumably filter out the worst sort of
> delivery delays.  Or perhaps you could add a line to those messages with
> obviously bad dates and use that for the archiver rather than compromising the
> original date.

>From Mailman 2.1b2+:

# This sets the default `clobber date' policy for the archiver.  When a
# message is to be archived either by Pipermail or an external archiver,
# Mailman can modify the Date: header to be the date the message was received
# instead of the Date: in the original message.  This is useful if you
# typically receive messages with outrageous dates.  Set this to 0 to retain
# the date of the original message, or to 1 to always clobber the date.  Set
# it to 2 to perform `smart overrides' on the date; when the date is outside
# ARCHIVER_ALLOWABLE_SANE_DATE_SKEW (either too early or too late), then the
# received date is substituted instead.
ARCHIVER_CLOBBER_DATE_POLICY = 2
ARCHIVER_ALLOWABLE_SANE_DATE_SKEW = days(15)

-- 
Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu)  .  Information Technology (2001)
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/  :  Computer Science House Member




From abigail at webfavor.com  Mon Jun 17 06:41:51 2002
From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:41:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disregard last email, I fixed problem with mailing
Message-ID: <14135560251.20020616214151@webfavor.com>

I posted a note about a problem with Mailman after an upgrade. I did a
reinstall and the problem has been resolved. I don't really know where
the problem was, but it's fixed now.

Thanks anyway - it's nice to know this list is here.

-Abigail





From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Mon Jun 17 12:10:49 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:10:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped sending mail to users after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1633185824.20020616210217@webfavor.com>; from abigail@webfavor.com on Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 09:02:17PM -0700
References: <1633185824.20020616210217@webfavor.com>
Message-ID: <20020617121049.B82652@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 09:02:17PM -0700, Abigail Marshall wrote:
> Hi,
> I recently upgraded to mailman 2.0.9 from a previous version (I
> believe 2.0.3).  All functions of mailman seem to work fine - for
> example I can subscribe a new member, utilize administrative features
> with no problem, etc.  However, mail is not going out to members of
> the list and when I send a test mail it doesn't go through.

Is the qrunner crontab still present and working ?

Gr,

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4723WU/6.426yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From courtney at 4th.com  Mon Jun 17 14:00:32 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:00:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tremendous horror!
In-Reply-To: <3D0C600F.E8F3E5CA@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0206131558470.7362-100000@scout18.cs.wisc.edu> <3D0C600F.E8F3E5CA@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <200206170800.32397.courtney@4th.com>

On Sunday 16 June 2002 05:53 am, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> Adam Frank wrote:
> > I have been running a list for some time now, and recently seemingly
> > random subscription confirmations are being sent to people on the
> > list. Some people are reporting recieving over a dozen confirmations a
> > day (you know, the "Confirm xxxxxxxxx")! Does anyone know what could be
> > causing this, because it is really annoying the heck out of the people on
> > my list!
>
> my guess is some troll is subscribing other people's addresses. that's
> what the confirm msgs are supposed to catch. probably not mailman's
> fault.

At one time, I was the admin of a site that offered free e-mail accounts. We
had to discontinue the service because of trolls doing things like this. One
person -- and I use that word loosely -- wrote a Perl (or similar) script to
create bogus accounts. They had created over 10,000 bogus accounts on the
system in just a couple of days. There were several such trolls doing similar
things. We could stop them, one by one, but we decided it was eating too much
of our staff time for something that wasn't a revenue generator for the
company. So we reluctantly discontinued the service.

Joern has a good point, based on my experiences with such things. My advice is
to check your weblogs to see if the subscription page for the list has
excessive hits from a single IP address. If so, consider using a firewall rule
to block that IP address from your server. Someone who would do this kind of
trolling might also try other, more malicious, things.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From khcarlso at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 17 15:05:20 2002
From: khcarlso at bellsouth.net (Kevin Carlson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:05:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting inbound mail privileges
Message-ID: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECKEBHHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>

Does anyone know if it is possible to restrict privileges so that admin
users are the only ones who can send messages to the list?

Thanks,

Kevin

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jun 17 15:28:07 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 17 Jun 2002 15:28:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML MAILINGS??/
In-Reply-To: johnpaul's message of "Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:11:40 -0400"
References: <3D07023C.7090306@liii.com>
Message-ID: <m33cvm2fx4.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

johnpaul <johnpaul at liii.com> writes:

> Does this program support html mailings?

The messagelook is unimportant.


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jun 17 15:44:08 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 17 Jun 2002 15:44:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Large Mailing List (431)
In-Reply-To: Nils Vogels's message of "Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:25:58 +0200"
References: <B92FC66E.3D7E%twitch@nervestaple.com>
	<20020615012558.D55139@amor.yuckfou.org>
Message-ID: <m3y9de10lz.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Nils Vogels <nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org> writes:

> The solution is, to make mailman split up the number of recipients sent in one
> message. Now the question is, is this possible with mailman ?

Yes.

,----[ path/to/mailman/Maiman/mm_cfg.py ]
| # max. XX Mails auf einmal #
| SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 99
`----


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jun 17 15:53:13 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:53:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting inbound mail privileges
In-Reply-To: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECKEBHHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617145042.03d0a948@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:05 17/06/2002 -0400, Kevin Carlson wrote:
>Does anyone know if it is possible to restrict privileges so that admin
>users are the only ones who can send messages to the list?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kevin

You will probably find what you need on the Privacy Options page of the web 
admin GUI under the General Posting filter heading for the list concerned.





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon Jun 17 21:56:59 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:56:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman administor notification cycle?
References: <1024243304.92563040anton.andreasson@home.se>
Message-ID: <3D0E3F0B.B54C5807@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Anton Andreasson wrote:
> 
> >if you are getting tired approving mails, leave the rest to your
> colleagues... ;)
> 
> The point is I'm getting tired of the notification mails. If you're admin of several lists it could be quite a lot. If there were lots of admins notified in a "cycle", the traffic gets lower without less notifications or less frequent approvals.

iirc, you can disable the immediate notification mails, and you will
only get a daily reminder.
should solve your problem.




From larry at guestfamily.com  Mon Jun 17 22:55:08 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nested lists
Message-ID: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIKEPLCDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>

I will be setting up mailman using lists to send mail to lists.  I only want
lists members to be able to post.  So mailman needs to look down the chain
of lists and make sure that the right people can posts to the list.  It must
be able to do this but I am not 100% sure what to change in the config so it
works. As an example "user1" needs to post to the "corp-eng" department for
which he is a member in the "corp-eng-ca" office.  The post needs to hit
everyone in the "corp-eng" lists.  The architecture will look like this.

corp-eng
	corp-eng-ca		corp-eng-ny		corp-eng-ws
		user1			user1			user1
		user2			user2			user2
		user3			user3
		user4
		user5










From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Tue Jun 18 01:43:16 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:43:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Browser timing out
In-Reply-To: <3D0A60D8.A32C8F9E@cisto.com>; from ts@cisto.com on Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 03:02:08AM +0530
References: <3D0A60D8.A32C8F9E@cisto.com>
Message-ID: <20020618014316.I346@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 03:02:08AM +0530, Thilak wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I can just about manage to login to the list admin section but as soon
> as I
> have used it for a while and try to edit or view the subscribers list,
> the whole site just stops working (browser keeps timing out) and none of
> the pages load at all. I tried from my office T3 connection with the
> same result. Usually after a few hours, I can login again but then the
> same problem happens again. Please help me in correcting this.

What did your webserver logfiles say ?

Gr,

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4726WU/6.431yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Tue Jun 18 01:48:08 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:48:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply to: poster
Message-ID: <3D0E7538.EC5AE726@state.or.us>

I am a bit confused. I want to set the default to all lists to reply to the
original poster.

In the mm_cfg.py file, I added the following:

DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 2 

In the list administration page for a list the configuration for : Where are
replies to list messages directed? is set to: Explicit Address.

The next configuration is: Explicit Reply-To: header. Poster is not acceptd as
an address, so where do I specify this.

I have been reading the archives and FAQs, but am still in need of some
guidance. 

-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From TFarid at riedc.com  Tue Jun 18 15:47:27 2002
From: TFarid at riedc.com (Farid, Tarek)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:47:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber Removal
Message-ID: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD0425585@prexch01.riedc.com>

Hi,

 

Does anyone know if mailman 2.0.8 has the capability to allow a
subscriber to send an email with removal in the subject or the body to
remove them selves from the list?

 

Thank you,

 

TF

 

 

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Jun 18 16:39:31 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 18 Jun 2002 16:39:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber Removal
In-Reply-To: "Farid, Tarek"'s message of "Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:47:27 -0400"
References: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD0425585@prexch01.riedc.com>
Message-ID: <m34rg0wt0c.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Farid, Tarek" <TFarid at riedc.com> writes:

> Does anyone know if mailman 2.0.8 has the capability to allow a
> subscriber to send an email with removal in the subject or the body to
> remove them selves from the list?

You can try it. Send a message with help in the subject or in the body
to mailman-users-request at python.org and you get a manual.


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Jun 18 17:13:05 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:13:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply to: poster
In-Reply-To: <3D0E7538.EC5AE726@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618160442.038cf788@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 16:48 17/06/2002 -0700, Christopher Adams wrote:

>I am a bit confused. I want to set the default to all lists to reply to the
>original poster.

The standard installation default in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py is 
DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 0 which is what you want.

DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 0 says do not munge the Reply-To header; as a 
consequence it should go to the Poster.


>In the mm_cfg.py file, I added the following:
>
>DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 2
>
>In the list administration page for a list the configuration for : Where are
>replies to list messages directed? is set to: Explicit Address.
>
>The next configuration is: Explicit Reply-To: header. Poster is not acceptd as
>an address, so where do I specify this.
>
>I have been reading the archives and FAQs, but am still in need of some
>guidance.
>

If you set DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST to other than 0 in your mm_cfg.py 
then you can change the option to Poster for a particular list by selecting 
the Poster radio button next to the 'Where are replies to list messages 
directed? ' option on the list's General Options web admin GUI page.






From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Tue Jun 18 17:41:02 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:41:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply to: poster
References: <3D0E7538.EC5AE726@state.or.us> <5.1.0.14.2.20020618160442.038cf788@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3D0F548E.E62A6A65@state.or.us>

Thanks. That helps. I know that this is a controversial issue in list-land, but
is there a way to hide the reply to: option  from list administrators, so that
the default reply to: poster (or list or whatever) is the only option?

Richard Barrett wrote:
> 
> At 16:48 17/06/2002 -0700, Christopher Adams wrote:
> 
> >I am a bit confused. I want to set the default to all lists to reply to the
> >original poster.
> 
> The standard installation default in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py is
> DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 0 which is what you want.
> 
> DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 0 says do not munge the Reply-To header; as a
> consequence it should go to the Poster.
> 
> >In the mm_cfg.py file, I added the following:
> >
> >DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 2
> >
> >In the list administration page for a list the configuration for : Where are
> >replies to list messages directed? is set to: Explicit Address.
> >
> >The next configuration is: Explicit Reply-To: header. Poster is not acceptd as
> >an address, so where do I specify this.
> >
> >I have been reading the archives and FAQs, but am still in need of some
> >guidance.
> >
> 
> If you set DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST to other than 0 in your mm_cfg.py
> then you can change the option to Poster for a particular list by selecting
> the Poster radio button next to the 'Where are replies to list messages
> directed? ' option on the list's General Options web admin GUI page.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From mplslist at tcq.net  Tue Jun 18 17:51:49 2002
From: mplslist at tcq.net (David Brauer)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:51:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing "quote" email addresses
Message-ID: <B934C145.42A3%mplslist@tcq.net>

I have a problem unsubscribing a member who put quotes in her email address
(i.e. "joanblow"@blahblah.com rather than joanblow at blahblah.com).

Mailman accepted the subscription with quotes, but any time I try to change
her options or unsubscribe her via the interface, the system records her as
not subscribed. I've tried without quotes, but that doesn't work (no record
of a quote-less address).

If anyone can tell me how to remove a subscription with quotes, I'd be most
grateful. This user is subscribed from a work address and needs to
unsubscribe. Yeah, it was probably her fault in the first place, but I'd
like to help her out and fix a possible Mailman bug at the same time.

Thanks,
David Brauer
mplslist at tcq.net
Minneapolis





From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Tue Jun 18 18:12:05 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:12:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me with a trivial withlist script
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618090808.00a61450@rlw.best.vwh.net>

There are times when I want to set an attribute on a whole bunch of mailing lists en masse. I tried to write a withlist script to do this, but it only works when the attribute value is a string. It doesn't work if the value is an integer. I'm no Python expert, but I thought from reading the docs that eval(`value`) would result in an expression of the correct type. No such luck.

To keep things simple, the script does only one list at a time, and I run it from a shell "for" loop.
def set_attr(mlist, attr, value): 
    setattr(mlist, attr, eval(`value`)) 
    mlist.Save()

What am I missing?

Thanks,
- Bob





From jacks at sage-american.com  Tue Jun 18 18:36:01 2002
From: jacks at sage-american.com (Jack L. Stone)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:36:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing "quote" email addresses
In-Reply-To: <B934C145.42A3%mplslist@tcq.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020618113601.00e6e888@sage-american.com>

Have you tried double quotes...??? like:

""subs at where.net""

At 10:51 AM 6.18.2002 -0500, David Brauer wrote:
>I have a problem unsubscribing a member who put quotes in her email address
>(i.e. "joanblow"@blahblah.com rather than joanblow at blahblah.com).
>
>Mailman accepted the subscription with quotes, but any time I try to change
>her options or unsubscribe her via the interface, the system records her as
>not subscribed. I've tried without quotes, but that doesn't work (no record
>of a quote-less address).
>
>If anyone can tell me how to remove a subscription with quotes, I'd be most
>grateful. This user is subscribed from a work address and needs to
>unsubscribe. Yeah, it was probably her fault in the first place, but I'd
>like to help her out and fix a possible Mailman bug at the same time.
>
>Thanks,
>David Brauer
>mplslist at tcq.net
>Minneapolis
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>
>

Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Administrator

Sage American
http://www.sage-american.com
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From info at banner-tausch.de  Tue Jun 18 19:21:08 2002
From: info at banner-tausch.de (Support)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:21:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to speed up Mailman?
Message-ID: <000901c216ec$89513a10$0100a8c0@Server>

Hi,

I'm sending my large newsletter with more than 100000 recipents at the
moment.

The traffic my machine produces is very low, so I think Mailman is sending
the mails very slow. So the first question is, how can i measure how fast it
is? Or how many mails are already sent.

I'm using sendmail on a Debian system. When i try hoststat i get a very
large list ...

I would be very happy about your help.

Thanks,
Florian Kubis






From larry at guestfamily.com  Tue Jun 18 19:26:50 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:26:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases in sendmail
Message-ID: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIGEADCEAA.larry@guestfamily.com>

Is there a better way to handle the mailman aliases instead of just editing
my /etc/aliases file and running newaliases.
When I get to over 200 lists its going to be a nightmare file.

Thanks





From Kenier at mpdparts.com  Tue Jun 18 21:33:50 2002
From: Kenier at mpdparts.com (Kenier Gutierrez)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to add a footer to every user?
Message-ID: <8F2934F51456D5119CB80006293942C27E526C@int014.onquest.com>


Hi

I am using mailman version 2.0.11.
I am need to know how to add a footer to every user in my list and I want to
let everybody in my list to unsubscribe just clicking over link that I will
add in to the footer.


Thanks Kenier










From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Tue Jun 18 22:10:21 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:10:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases in sendmail
References: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIGEADCEAA.larry@guestfamily.com>
Message-ID: <3D0F93AD.FC09A204@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Larry Guest wrote:
> 
> Is there a better way to handle the mailman aliases instead of just editing
> my /etc/aliases file and running newaliases.
> When I get to over 200 lists its going to be a nightmare file.

you can include other files (man aliases).




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Tue Jun 18 22:09:00 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:09:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing "quote" email addresses
References: <3.0.5.32.20020618113601.00e6e888@sage-american.com>
Message-ID: <3D0F935C.2CC1708A@folkwang-hochschule.de>

"Jack L. Stone" wrote:
> 
> Have you tried double quotes...??? like:
> 
> ""subs at where.net""
> 
> At 10:51 AM 6.18.2002 -0500, David Brauer wrote:
> >I have a problem unsubscribing a member who put quotes in her email address
> >(i.e. "joanblow"@blahblah.com rather than joanblow at blahblah.com).

i have the same situation here, and the problem is that the web
interface chokes on those, i.e. they are displayed, but nothing happens
when you uncheck the "subscribed" box.




From vincent at mosx.net  Sun Jun 16 14:22:10 2002
From: vincent at mosx.net (Vincent Hottier)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:22:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-id and gate_news
Message-ID: <AE57DD0A-8123-11D6-B13E-000502760E0C@mosx.net>

Hi

I'am testing the gate_news feature of mailman.

For a same message, the message-ids are not the same on the newsserver 
and in the mailing-list. So, that breaks the References headers, and the 
threads on the newsservers are broken when users reply from the 
mailing-list or from the newsservers.

Is there a way to tell Mailman/gate_news to keep the original Message-id 
of a message when mirrorong posts on a newsserver ?

--
Vincent





From fil at rezo.net  Mon Jun 17 10:06:59 2002
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:06:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two bugs in current cvs
Message-ID: <20020617080659.GD18584@rezo.net>

Hi, I upgraded from MM2.1b1 to MM2.1b2+(cvs) last night.

1) Impossilble to install the email-2.0.4 package : it fails on the
   compat22.py compilation (maybe it's normal, since I'm running python2.1,
   but the error message is unclear.)

2) A cron job has failed this morning :

Subject: Cron <mailman at miel> /usr/local/bin/python2.1 -S /var/local/mailman/cron/disabled

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 198, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/local/mailman/cron/disabled", line 190, in main
    mlist.sendNextNotification(member)
  File "/var/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 216, in
+sendNextNotification
    {MemberAdaptor.BYBOUNCE: 'BYBOUNCE',
AttributeError: 'Mailman.MemberAdaptor' module has no attribute 'BYUNKNOWN'
~
~
~

-- Fil





From fil at rezo.net  Mon Jun 17 10:46:39 2002
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:46:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another bug in current CVS
Message-ID: <20020617084639.GF21794@rezo.net>

Is it linked to my problem with installing email-2.0.4? In any case the
iso-encoding/decoding of subjects seems to be failing, as this header shows:

    Subject: [Spip] des sources =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0_syndiquer?=^M
        =?iso-8859-1?B?Li4u?=


-- Fil





From jwitte at alpha-lab.net  Mon Jun 17 18:28:25 2002
From: jwitte at alpha-lab.net (Jochen Witte)
Date: 17 Jun 2002 18:28:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
Message-ID: <1024331305.848.72.camel@hermes>

Hello,

I am using mailman 2.0.9

Everything is ok, except browsing the archives. The provided index.html
is empty and this appears in logs/error:

---snip---
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):   File
"/usr/local/mailman-2.0.9/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 222, in
ArchiveMail
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):     h.close()
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):   File
"/usr/local/mailman-2.0.9/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 306, in
close
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):     self.write_TOC()
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):   File
"/usr/local/mailman-2.0.9/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 904, in
write_TOC
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):     toc.write(self.html_TOC())
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):   File
"/usr/local/mailman-2.0.9/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 647, in
html_TOC
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):     d = {"listname":
self.maillist.real_name,
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):   File
"/usr/local/mailman-2.0.9/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 76, in
sizeof
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):     size =
os.path.getsize(filename)
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):   File
"/var/tmp/python/python-root/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 135,
in getsize
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647):     st = os.stat(filename)
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 qrunner(18647): OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or
directory:
'/var/mailman/archives/private/platform-bugs.mbox/platform-bugs.mbox'
Jun 17 15:58:01 2002 (18647) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: platform-bugs
---snip---

Is this a configuration fault, a bug or did I do something silly?
The last but one line seems somewhat strange, but I do not want to look
at the code...:)

Greetings


-- 
Jochen Witte
<jwitte at alpha-lab.net>
IRC: bacchus.alpha-lab.net/#alpha-lab
PGP fingerprint = 2F92 97EA BB67 E49A EE79  AD55 2FE7 DF05 EA9A 3A32
Keyserver = www.keyserver.net





From wart at tercom.ru  Tue Jun 18 11:13:21 2002
From: wart at tercom.ru (Wartan Hachaturow)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:13:21 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied errors?
Message-ID: <20020618091321.GA23442@mojo.tepkom.ru>

Hello.

After install mailman 2.0.10 on FreeBSD 4.4, I keep getting
these errors from mailman's cron job:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
  lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
  self.__write()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350,
  in __write     
   fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
   IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
  +'/usr/local/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.mail.tepkom.ru.37437'

Permissions on /usr/local/mailman/locks are 
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman       512 Jun 17 18:41 locks

Moreover, this directory is empty, and no lock files are there..
The letters from mailman itself go right, but letters to 
the mailing lists doesn't pass.
What could be wrong?

-- 
Regards, Wartan.
"Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are."




From wylie.horn at computing-services.oxford.ac.uk  Tue Jun 18 13:54:09 2002
From: wylie.horn at computing-services.oxford.ac.uk (Wylie Horn)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:54:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: Apache virtual hosts & Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.44.0206181236540.16111-100000@ermine.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

I've been asked to set up Mailman for a client of ours.  We currently run
an Apache (1.3.9) Web server which has a number of virtual hosts.

Can Mailman be run under a virtual host?

Thanks in advance.

Wylie

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wylie Horn, NSMS, Oxford University Computing Services
13 Banbury Road, Oxford, England, UK, OX2 6NN
Tel: +44 1865 283 410
Fax: +44 1865 273 275







From larry at guestfamily.com  Wed Jun 19 01:58:48 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:58:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] limit post by domain in from header
Message-ID: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIIEAICEAA.larry@guestfamily.com>

I need to limit who can post to the lists based on the domain in the from
header in the post.
Can this be done in version 2.0.11, if so how.

Thanks!!!!!





From larry at guestfamily.com  Wed Jun 19 01:59:32 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:59:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] limit post by domain in from header
Message-ID: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIOEAICEAA.larry@guestfamily.com>

I need to limit who can post to the lists based on the domain in the from
header in the post.
Can this be done in version 2.0.11, if so how.

Thanks!!!!!





From greybeard at pobox.com  Wed Jun 19 05:10:13 2002
From: greybeard at pobox.com (William Waggoner)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:10:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oneuser refuses to bounce
Message-ID: <009b01c2173e$d4298fe0$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>

I've got one list running that has about 450 members.  In a population that size one would expect a few bounces.  I've monitored the bounce log and I find that people bounce occasionally just as expected.  But I seem to have one user that refuses to bounce.

What I see is the address show up in the log as "First fresh" and the counter and timer (five days) start to count down.  But later, at a point I haven't been able to pinpoint, they show up again as "First fresh" and the counter and timer restarts!  The result is that they continue to bounce but get another five days.  This one address has been bouncing for several weeks.

Now, clearly, I could simply disable the account, set it to nomail, and be done with it.  What I'd rather do is to find out what makes this one reset before it is done timing out.

Anybody have any ideas?

----
Bill W
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From dbishop at pobox.com  Wed Jun 19 06:55:38 2002
From: dbishop at pobox.com (Doug Bishop)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:55:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Annouce-only list
In-Reply-To: <009b01c2173e$d4298fe0$0401a8c0@greybeard.org>
Message-ID: <ADEPKFELNBGDNLEOHDDFEEDBDCAA.dbishop@pobox.com>

I posted this about a week ago and got no replies so I'm going to try again.
My host recently switched over servers and a lot of their software. What I
ended up with is the Mailman maillist software. The old maillist software
(don't know whose it was, everything was basically controlled through a
control panel similar to CPanel 4), allowed me to define a maillist as
announce-only in that anyone could subscribe but only the administrator
could post to it, so it acted more lise a newsletter.

I've not been able to determine how to do that with the tools I've been
provided with Mailman, and the host has been unresponsive for over two
weeks. I am hoping it is something that can be enabled on a site basis and
doesn't have to be initiated at the server level, since, as I said, I am
using a hosting company.

Can anyone provide insight as to whether this can be done in Mailman, and if
so, how to accomplish it?

Doug Bishop
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From devin2 at theinternet.info  Wed Jun 19 08:24:54 2002
From: devin2 at theinternet.info (Devin)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:24:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Annouce-only list
References: <ADEPKFELNBGDNLEOHDDFEEDBDCAA.dbishop@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <3D1023B6.6070009@theinternet.info>

Doug Bishop wrote:
> Can anyone provide insight as to whether this can be done in Mailman, 
> and if so, how to accomplish it?
>  
> Doug Bishop

yes, i am using mailman for a newsletter-type list. under privacy 
options in the mailman admin select 'No' for 'Restrict posting privilege 
to list members?' Then add the admin address that posts are allowed from 
to the next option, 'Addresses of members accepted for posting...' This 
address doesn't actually have to be a member address (my post address is 
not subscribed to my list and it still works).

thats it, but i would also recommend adding an auto-response to list 
postsers (in admin 'Auto-Response' section) that says something nice 
like "i'm sorry but members are not allowed to post to this list."

read through the rest of the mailman options to see if any of them might 
also make your list more newsletter-like. for example, i set (in 
'Privacy Options' again) 'Advertise this list...' to 'No' and 'Who can 
view subscription list' to 'List admin only.'

let me know if i haven't been clear enough on this information. good luck.

-- 
devin
devin2 at theinternet.info






From bj3 at britcoms.com  Wed Jun 19 15:50:16 2002
From: bj3 at britcoms.com (bj3 at britcoms.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:50:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to?
Message-ID: <3D1053D8.11357.F7A41FE@localhost>

I am sure this has been asked many times but as a new user I am 
clueless on how to go about this.

Is there a way to modify the list so that I, as the admin. can be the 
only one to post? I have just set up the list and it has about 1250 
members. It seems that they all get an e-mail when someone 
subscribes. I have adjusted it so that all posts have to be approved 
but that means having to go and remove all the subscription e-mails 
each day. I just want people to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe 
and myself to send out a monthly newsletter.

Thanks for any help on this.

Brian.




From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Jun 19 17:45:49 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:45:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding restrcit post to members options
Message-ID: <3D10A72D.2080700@isu.edu>

In Mailman is there a command line utility I can use to find out all the 
mailing lists that have the "Restrict  post to members only" set as yes 
or 1?

I've current installed Mailman 2.0.11 on Red Hat Linux 7.2 .

-- 
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.






From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Jun 19 18:16:40 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:16:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to?
In-Reply-To: <3D1053D8.11357.F7A41FE@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619165310.02a38bb8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:50 19/06/2002 -0400, bj3 at britcoms.com wrote:
>I am sure this has been asked many times but as a new user I am
>clueless on how to go about this.
>
>Is there a way to modify the list so that I, as the admin. can be the
>only one to post? I have just set up the list and it has about 1250

You can use the options under the 'General posting filters' heading on the 
Privacy Options page of the web admin GUI for a list control who posts to 
the list. You'll then get to moderate all postings through the admin web GUI.

>members. It seems that they all get an e-mail when someone
>subscribes. I have adjusted it so that all posts have to be approved

There appears to be something else wrong with your list server or MTA setup 
if subscription responses are being distributed to the list membership.

How are people subscribing? Thru the web interface or via the 
<listname>-request mail alias?

In either case, if you are using confirmation for subscriptions, the 
Reply-To header of the response requesting confirmation should again be 
<listname>-request.

What do the headers on these subscription related emails that are being 
posted to the list look like?

>but that means having to go and remove all the subscription e-mails
>each day. I just want people to be able to subscribe and unsubscribe
>and myself to send out a monthly newsletter.
>
>Thanks for any help on this.
>
>Brian.





From Kenier at mpdparts.com  Wed Jun 19 18:17:49 2002
From: Kenier at mpdparts.com (Kenier Gutierrez)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:17:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How I can disable the password ?
Message-ID: <8F2934F51456D5119CB80006293942C27E5271@int014.onquest.com>


I am using mailman version 2.0.11.
I would like to disable the password for the user. I want to let them
unsubcribe without needing a password.

Thanks Kenier






From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Jun 19 18:37:03 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:37:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding restrcit post to members options
In-Reply-To: <3D10A72D.2080700@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619173147.035bc4c0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:45 19/06/2002 -0600, Kory Wheatley wrote:
>In Mailman is there a command line utility I can use to find out all the 
>mailing lists that have the "Restrict  post to members only" set as yes or 1?
>
>I've current installed Mailman 2.0.11 on Red Hat Linux 7.2 .
>
>--
>#########################################
>Kory Wheatley
>Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
>Phone 282-3874
>#########################################
>Everything must point to him.

The following short python script will do the job. Save in a file

start query-posting.py 
------------------------------------------------------------
#! /usr/local/bin/python

# change the line above to where you have installed python

# save the file and chmod u+x it
# run as ./query-posting.py

import sys

# change path in the line below to reflect where you have installed Mailman

sys.path.append('/mailman/run')
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Errors

for listname in Utils.list_names():
     try:
         mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, None)
     except Errors.MMListError:
         print 'Maillist error, MM unable to access list "%s"' % listname
     else:
         print 'List "%s" has member_posting_only=%d' % (listname, 
mlist.member_posting_only)
end query-posting.py 
------------------------------------------------------------





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Jun 19 18:49:55 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:49:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to create an announce-only list / newsletter / admin-post only list
Message-ID: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hello *

i have added a faq entry describing $(subject):
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp. 
please review and correct if necessary.

best,

j?rn




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Jun 19 19:11:12 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:11:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /etc/aliases in sendmail 
In-Reply-To: Message from Larry Guest <larry@guestfamily.com> 
   of "Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:26:50 PDT." <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIGEADCEAA.larry@guestfamily.com> 
References: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIGEADCEAA.larry@guestfamily.com> 
Message-ID: <19659.1024506672@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:26:50 -0700 
Larry Guest <larry at guestfamily.com> wrote:

> Is there a better way to handle the mailman aliases instead of just
> editing my /etc/aliases file and running newaliases.  When I get to
> over 200 lists its going to be a nightmare file.

Depending on your choice of MTA you can configure it to not need/use an
alias file for Mailman lists (eg see Nigel's excellent HOWTO for Exim).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Jun 19 19:10:27 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to speed up Mailman? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Support" <info@banner-tausch.de> 
   of "Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:21:08 +0200." <000901c216ec$89513a10$0100a8c0@Server> 
References: <000901c216ec$89513a10$0100a8c0@Server> 
Message-ID: <19643.1024506627@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:21:08 +0200 
info  <Support> wrote:

> The traffic my machine produces is very low, so I think Mailman is
> sending the mails very slow. 

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From backdoc at crotchett.com  Wed Jun 19 22:43:03 2002
From: backdoc at crotchett.com (Darren Crotchett)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:43:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] copy configuration to new box
Message-ID: <200206191543.03771.backdoc@crotchett.com>

I have mailman and Postfix working on a FreeBSD 4.4 box.  I've done a fresh 
install of 4.6 to another box.  What I want to do is migrate mailman from the 
4.4 to the 4.6 box.  I've already installed mailman from the ports.  All I've 
done so far is make install from /usr/ports.  Can I copy selective parts of 
my working mailman setup to my new box?  If so, which directories should I 
copy?

Darren




From mpelletier at sad39.k12.me.us  Wed Jun 19 22:44:35 2002
From: mpelletier at sad39.k12.me.us (M. Pelletier)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:44:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new installation "test"
Message-ID: <sd10b51c.009@mail>

When I try to "test" my installation of mailman I encounter the following.  Has anyone seen this before and can you direct me to a fix?

Thank you
Maurice P.


mauricep at penguin1 bin]$ /home/mailman/bin/newlist
  Enter the name of the list: test
  Enter the email of the person running the list: mpelletier at sad39.k12.me.us
  Initial test password:
  Entry for aliases file:

  ## test mailing list
  ## created: 19-Jun-2002 mauricep
  test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
  test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
  test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
  test-owner:              test-admin

  Hit enter to continue with test owner notification...

  Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 220, in ?
     main()
   File "/home/mailman/bin/newlist", line 198, in main
     sys.stdin.readline()
  KeyboardInterrupt




From ldusanic at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 20 01:40:06 2002
From: ldusanic at hotmail.com (Larry Dusanic)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:40:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and MS Echange as a MTA
Message-ID: <LAW2-OE38EDbh3DhqvX0000a22c@hotmail.com>

Is this combo possible? Any help in pointing me to config ingo would be helpful. Thanks.
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From pmorgan at qpbd999.quickpages.net.au  Thu Jun 20 05:52:17 2002
From: pmorgan at qpbd999.quickpages.net.au (Phillip Morgan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:52:17 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail from test list
Message-ID: <200206200352.g5K3qHs16795@qpbd999.quickpages.net.au>

Hi all,

Can you please help me with this one...

I've just finsihed installing mailman 2.0.11 on my slackware linux 
system kernel 2.2.19, running sendmail 8.11.4, with Mailman installed 
in /usr/local/mailman.

I created a test list as per the INSTALL doc, and went to web 
administration which appears to be working fine. Then when sending an 
email I get this response...

>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>    (reason: 2)
>    (expanded from: <test at qpbd999.quickpages.net.au>)

>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to 
>take 2?) 554 5.3.0 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post 
test"... .unknown mailer error 2

Failure to exec script. Wanted GID 12 got 2?

Err, when I added the group mailman to my /etc/group file, I used GID 
25. This is the /etc/passwd and /etc/group entries...

/etc/passwd
mailman:x:1068:100:List Manager:/dev/null:

/etc/group
mailman::25:

And here is the system log entry...
Jun 20 13:06:02 qpbd999 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. 
WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)

There are no errors in my web server logs.

While I have you attention, I have a mailing list of many thousands of 
subscribers (I'm converting from mjaordomo to mailman). Can I expect 
any performance issues on a Pentium, 550 with 128mb RAM, running 
sendmail 8.11.4, apache 1.3.20? 

Also, I run several domains on this server, one of the main reasons for 
this installation is that it will be primarily used for one of those 
hosted domains, not so much for Quickpages. Where can I find doc re 
virtual domains for mailman?


Any help would be greatly appreciated.


-- 
Cheers,
Phill Morgan




From rbs at snippets.org  Thu Jun 20 06:37:01 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:37:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with arch
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206141845090.3029-100000@snippets.snippets.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206192335550.4686-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

I haven't received any replies on this, so I thought I might give it one
more try...

On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Bob Stout wrote:

> OK, I tried arch to import my old procmail archives. From
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin, I used...
>
> ./arch <listname> <mbox>
>
> ...where <mbox> was a local copy of one of the old archives containing
> message from back in 1999. Instead of importing them correctly, it only
> seemed to bloat the size of the May-2002 archive without increasing the
> apparent number of messages in the detailed view. I now have a May-2002
> archive of over 6 Mb with only 122 messages. Whether these are still
> valid or not is debatable since arch did *something* to bloat the
> archive from its original 1 Mb.
>
> The Procmail archives appear to be in standard mbox format, appearing
> identical to my Pine folders. What have I missed?!? At least my
> June-2002 archives appear untouched...

-------------------------------------------------------------
MicroFirm: Down to the C in chips...
   Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
   DIY Loudspeaker Driver Selection Guide (LDSG):
http://www.snippets.org/





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jun 20 06:44:06 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with arch 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bob Stout <rbs@snippets.org> 
   of "Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:37:01 CDT." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206192335550.4686-100000@snippets.snippets.org> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206192335550.4686-100000@snippets.snippets.org> 
Message-ID: <30925.1024548246@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:37:01 -0500 (CDT) 
Bob Stout <rbs at snippets.org> wrote:

> The Procmail archives appear to be in standard mbox format, appearing
> identical to my Pine folders. What have I missed?!? At least my
> June-2002 archives appear untouched...

Verify that they really are mboxes with leading "From " headers (ie
envelope), and a blank line between every message.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From rbs at snippets.org  Thu Jun 20 07:48:21 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:48:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with arch 
In-Reply-To: <30925.1024548246@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206200046080.5755-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, J C Lawrence wrote:

> > The Procmail archives appear to be in standard mbox format, appearing
> > identical to my Pine folders. What have I missed?!? At least my
> > June-2002 archives appear untouched...
>
> Verify that they really are mboxes with leading "From " headers (ie
> envelope), and a blank line between every message.

They are indeed standard mbox format, but this was enough to tip me off to
the problem... The old procmail archives are themselves digests. What tool
should I use (running Linux) to split these into individual messages for
importing?

-------------------------------------------------------------
MicroFirm: Down to the C in chips...
   Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
   DIY Loudspeaker Driver Selection Guide (LDSG):
http://www.snippets.org/





From rbs at snippets.org  Thu Jun 20 07:57:49 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:57:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with arch 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206200046080.5755-100000@snippets.snippets.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206200055370.5755-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Bob Stout wrote:

> > > The Procmail archives appear to be in standard mbox format, appearing
> > > identical to my Pine folders. What have I missed?!? At least my
> > > June-2002 archives appear untouched...
> >
> > Verify that they really are mboxes with leading "From " headers (ie
> > envelope), and a blank line between every message.
>
> They are indeed standard mbox format, but this was enough to tip me off to
> the problem... The old procmail archives are themselves digests. What tool
> should I use (running Linux) to split these into individual messages for
> importing?

There's now one other problem I failed to mention... I went back and
looked at my May archives and found these digests buried in there. That
explains why the archive size grew, but the additions weren't at all
obvious. Now the question is what's the best way to edit the archives to
remove these digests and get them out of the database?

-------------------------------------------------------------
MicroFirm: Down to the C in chips...
   Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
   DIY Loudspeaker Driver Selection Guide (LDSG):
http://www.snippets.org/





From allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org  Thu Jun 20 09:10:25 2002
From: allan at lxd1.asiandevbank.org (lxd1)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:10:25 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest problem
Message-ID: <001501c21829$8cef1640$388b17ac@asiandevbank.org>

hello guys,
am running mailman 2.0.10 on our RH 7.2 and postfix as our MTA. my problem is regarding digested emails. could you please explain to me how a digest works? from my understanding digests are sent to a subscribers every end of the day. and from my subscriber's experience they are receiving an email as shown below. how can they get the digested message based on the email below? or at the end of the day, all the emails would be send to them aside from the emails below?


Send FMNet mailing list submissions to example at example.com

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

http://example.com/mailman/listinfo/example

or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to

fmnet-request at intraweb.asiandevbank.org

You can reach the person managing the list at

example-admin at example.com

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific

than "Re: Contents of Example digest..."

Today's Topics:

1. Sample message (Shawn Marion)

2. Sample message 1 (Penny Hardaway)

thanks and regards,

allan

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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jun 20 10:17:43 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:17:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with arch 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bob Stout <rbs@snippets.org> 
   of "Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:48:21 CDT." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206200046080.5755-100000@snippets.snippets.org> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206200046080.5755-100000@snippets.snippets.org> 
Message-ID: <1189.1024561063@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:48:21 -0500 (CDT) 
Bob Stout <rbs at snippets.org> wrote:

> They are indeed standard mbox format, but this was enough to tip me
> off to the problem... The old procmail archives are themselves
> digests. What tool should I use (running Linux) to split these into
> individual messages for importing?

What sort of digests?  Text, MIME, other?

If MIME there are a variety of tools to burst the component
message/rfc822 parts (start with mtools).  If text digests I'd look to
the support tools for things like VM and GNUs.  I'm pretty sure I saw
something there to burst 1153 digests.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jun 20 10:19:25 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:19:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with arch 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bob Stout <rbs@snippets.org> 
   of "Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:57:49 CDT." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206200055370.5755-100000@snippets.snippets.org> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206200055370.5755-100000@snippets.snippets.org> 
Message-ID: <1220.1024561165@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:57:49 -0500 (CDT) 
Bob Stout <rbs at snippets.org> wrote:

> Now the question is what's the best way to edit the archives to remove
> these digests and get them out of the database?

Sorry, without looking at your data its damned tough/impossible to
tell.  `ls -lt | head | xargs rm`?

And here we see but one of the reasons I like MH and MH folders.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Thu Jun 20 11:56:23 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:56:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to create an announce-only list / newsletter / admin-post only list
In-Reply-To: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de>; from nettings@folkwang-hochschule.de on Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 06:49:55PM +0200
References: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <20020620115623.R47522@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 06:49:55PM +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> hello *
> 
> i have added a faq entry describing $(subject):
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp. 
> please review and correct if necessary.

Is it in some way possible to prevent people from unsubscribing from such
lists ?

Gr,

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4760WU/6.474yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Jun 20 17:01:24 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:01:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to create an announce-only list / newsletter / 
 admin-post only list
References: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20020620115623.R47522@amor.yuckfou.org>
Message-ID: <3D11EE44.A11029F4@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Nils Vogels wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 06:49:55PM +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> > hello *
> >
> > i have added a faq entry describing $(subject):
> > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp.
> > please review and correct if necessary.
> 
> Is it in some way possible to prevent people from unsubscribing from such
> lists ?

luckily, no.




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Thu Jun 20 17:17:58 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:17:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to create an announce-only list / newsletter / admin-post only list
In-Reply-To: <3D11EE44.A11029F4@folkwang-hochschule.de>; from nettings@folkwang-hochschule.de on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:24PM +0200
References: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20020620115623.R47522@amor.yuckfou.org> <3D11EE44.A11029F4@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <20020620171758.W47522@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:01:24PM +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> Nils Vogels wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 06:49:55PM +0200, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> > > hello *
> > >
> > > i have added a faq entry describing $(subject):
> > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp.
> > > please review and correct if necessary.
> > 
> > Is it in some way possible to prevent people from unsubscribing from such
> > lists ?
> 
> luckily, no.

Could you please explain me, why it is a good thing that people can not
unsubscribe from such a list ?

I can imagine cases where the administrator of the list finds it important
that a message gets delivered to all the people /he/ wishes to explicitly
receive the message. 

While I agree this could easily be used for UCE, imagine a list of people you
want to send a christmas-postcard via email to. I'd really like the good
things from mailman, such as bounce detection, archiving etc, while I also
want to make sure that each of my online friends gets the digital postcard.

Gr,

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From courtney at 4th.com  Thu Jun 20 17:54:13 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:54:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to create an announce-only list / newsletter / admin-post only list
In-Reply-To: <20020620171758.W47522@amor.yuckfou.org>
References: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de> <3D11EE44.A11029F4@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20020620171758.W47522@amor.yuckfou.org>
Message-ID: <200206201154.13217.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 20 June 2002 11:17 am, Nils Vogels wrote:
> Could you please explain me, why it is a good thing that people can not
> unsubscribe from such a list ?
>
> I can imagine cases where the administrator of the list finds it important
> that a message gets delivered to all the people /he/ wishes to explicitly
> receive the message.
>
> While I agree this could easily be used for UCE, imagine a list of people
> you want to send a christmas-postcard via email to. I'd really like the
> good things from mailman, such as bounce detection, archiving etc, while I
> also want to make sure that each of my online friends gets the digital
> postcard.

Even in this case, though, I think it is bad form not to allow unsubscription.
If you have a greeting card list, and someone takes the trouble to specifically
follow a link or send a list command to unsubscribe, wouldn't that suggest that
the greeting card is unwelcome? Unsubscriptions rarely happen by accident.

I have online acquaintances -- note that I don't say friends -- who insist on
sending me those web-based greeting cards constantly. Unfortunately, quite a
few of them only work if you have Shockwave Flash, or CaptiveX plugins, or
other eye-candy technologies. CaptiveX only works on Wintendo systems, as with
some versions of Shockwave, last time I checked. The people who
send them often are sending them out to large numbers of people; they're not
even a personal message. I *dream* of being able to permanently "unsubscribe"
from being on clueless people's "everyone" mailing list.

Likewise virus warnings, which don't apply to me as a Linux-only user. Somehow
my acquaintances who are totally non-technical figure that if they see a virus
"warning" (often a hoax) on the Internet, that they somehow must have seen it
before I did, so they all forward every warning to me because they figure as
a techie I just *have* to be interested in such things. I've got a techie
reputation, so they all figure that they are the very first one to make me
aware of this horrible new threat to civilization. I don't just get one copy
of a hoax -- I get a dozen or more. And I have to try to be polite when I
tell them that they've just been bamboozled *again* by a hoax that is identical
to the one that fooled them last month. sed -e 's/Mojo Virus539/Ultra Virus/g'

<WRITING_MODE HUMOR="ON">

Can you imagine giving either of these groups of people Mailman, with the
ability to block unsubscriptions? I shudder at the thought:

"Hello. I have just opted you in for Joe's Virus Warning, Internet Joke,
Multilevel Marketing, Health Care News, and E-mail Blog List!!! I hope you
enjoy all the great things I'm going to send you! I'll be updating this
list ten or fifteen times a day, and will be sending great pix of my
dog once I figure out how to do that in Outlook Express. I know that if
you get confused as easily as I do with these computer thingies, that it's
really really REALLY easy to lose your mail list subscriptions, so I just
turned off the unsubscribe thingie in this list. Neato, huh? Anyway, have
a great day! Oh, P.S. -- I subscribed my whole addressbook to this
list, so we can all keep in touch. So you guys should all send your Blog
stuff, too, so we can read each other's! For starters, here's a really
cool online quiz to find out how much like Britney Spears you are!!!"

There are times when even PLONK just feels so...insufficient.

</WRITING_MODE>

I don't mean any disrespect to your views, but I'm still unable to come up with
any non-spam reason for blocking unsubscriptions. If someone can think of one
that I've overlooked, I'll gladly stand corrected. :-)

Kind regards,
Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu Jun 20 18:10:12 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:10:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to create an announce-only list / newsletter / admin-post only list
In-Reply-To: <20020620171758.W47522@amor.yuckfou.org>
References: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de>
	<20020620115623.R47522@amor.yuckfou.org>
	<3D11EE44.A11029F4@folkwang-hochschule.de>
	<20020620171758.W47522@amor.yuckfou.org>
Message-ID: <20020620091012.1c7f24dc.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:17:58 +0200
Nils Vogels Nils Vogels <nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org> wrote:

> > > Is it in some way possible to prevent people from
> unsubscribing from such
> > > lists ?
> > 
> > luckily, no.
> 
> Could you please explain me, why it is a good thing that people
> can not
> unsubscribe from such a list ?
> 
> I can imagine cases where the administrator of the list finds it
> important
> that a message gets delivered to all the people /he/ wishes to
> explicitly
> receive the message. 
> 
> While I agree this could easily be used for UCE, imagine a list of
> people you
> want to send a christmas-postcard via email to. I'd really like
> the good
> things from mailman, such as bounce detection, archiving etc,
> while I also
> want to make sure that each of my online friends gets the digital
> postcard.
> 
> Gr,
> 
> -- 
> Nils Vogels		

If I were on your Christmas card list, I would think it terribly
arrogant for you to block me from getting off your list.  I'd block
you at the server level.

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
That which we persist in doing becomes easier - not that the nature
of the task has changed, but our ability to do has increased.       
  --Ralph Waldo Emerson

                              
                              




From EDavidson at mail.uua.org  Thu Jun 20 18:46:09 2002
From: EDavidson at mail.uua.org (Elena Davidson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:46:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] loop badness
Message-ID: <9B511FA7465ED411862700A0C9E1C51C02E9A614@mail.uua.org>

One of the lists I manage wound up in an infinite loop last night because
someone had an auto-response set up on their email.  We had over 1000
messages inside a couple of hours.  I know most email programs are set up to
avoid auto-response problems like this, but is there a way to check if it's
happening on any of my other lists (we host over 200) before it gets that
bad??  Any insights would be helpful!

Thanks!
Elena Davidson
www.uua.org/mailman/listinfo/




From igor at linuxinside.com  Thu Jun 20 20:14:17 2002
From: igor at linuxinside.com (Igor Pruchanskiy)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:14:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Rid of Extra message
Message-ID: <20020620181417.GC15325@linuxinside.com>

Hello, 

Sorry for the question that was probably asked 500 times, but i am failing
to find any info on that. I know that i was able to get rid of this extra
message when people subscribe and unsubscribe before, but do not remember
how i did it. Please help.

when people subscribe/unsubscribe to the list, along with the confirmation
request email they get message from

LIST-NAME-bounces at DOMAIN.ORG with the Subject 
"The results of your email commands"

How do i get rid of this message ? It is very annoying and from the
prospective of my users it is totally useless.

igor

-- 
Uptime : 36 days, 23:56




From crebuck at attglobal.net  Thu Jun 20 20:46:43 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:46:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime.pl
In-Reply-To: <20020620181417.GC15325@linuxinside.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206201436470.28269-100000@maillist.myip.org>

Any idea how I can get mailmail to work with stripmime and sendmail?

http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html

my alias file has this entry, but the mail is not run through the 
stripmime.pl script.

a2-16v:                  
"|/home/mailman/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post a2-16v"


The author of the script said this has something to do with sendmail, but 
wasn't sure how to get around the problem.  Anybody have experience with 
this or an other scripts that are run from the sendmail alias file?

Chad





From khcarlso at bellsouth.net  Thu Jun 20 22:43:52 2002
From: khcarlso at bellsouth.net (Kevin Carlson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:43:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating list
Message-ID: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECEEGDHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>

I just installed mailman on a new machine and am getting the following error
when I attempt to create a list with the newlist command:

...
Hit enter to continue with test owner notification...

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./newlist", line 220, in ?
    main()
  File "./newlist", line 213, in main
    text)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 211, in __init__
    OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 205, in __init__
    self['Message-ID'] = Utils.make_msgid(idstring='Mailman')
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 769, in make_msgid
    idhost = socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0]


Any idea what is causing this?

Thanks,

Kevin





From igor at linuxinside.com  Thu Jun 20 23:41:50 2002
From: igor at linuxinside.com (Igor Pruchanskiy)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:41:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem creating list
In-Reply-To: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECEEGDHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>
References: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECEEGDHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <20020620214150.GE15325@linuxinside.com>

> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "./newlist", line 220, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./newlist", line 213, in main
>     text)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 211, in __init__
>     OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 205, in __init__
>     self['Message-ID'] = Utils.make_msgid(idstring='Mailman')
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 769, in make_msgid
>     idhost = socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0]
> 
> 
> Any idea what is causing this?

I am not exactly sure if it is what i think it is, but you may want to see
if it resolves your own hostname. Just put your hostname in /etc/hosts,
especially if you have multiple interfaces

igor

-- 
Uptime : 37 days,  3:26




From crosswhi at cires.colorado.edu  Thu Jun 20 23:47:43 2002
From: crosswhi at cires.colorado.edu (Joel Crosswhite)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:47:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo problems
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.43.0206201520590.15262-100000@cires.colorado.edu>

Hey all,
	I installed Mailman 2.0.11 on Apache 1.3.26 and it's working great
except that I have a cosmetic problem.  When I go to mailman/listinfo
using a web browser, a page comes up saying that no lists are
publicly-advertised on the server.  However, I've created a couple of
lists, so I know that public lists exist.  When I run listinfo on the
server as webuser (the httpd user) from a shell, the html that gets
generated is what I would expect.  It names the lists that are available
to the public.  So, how can I get mailman to display this?  Is there
something I missed?

Thanks,
JC





From larry at guestfamily.com  Fri Jun 21 01:01:12 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:01:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using procmail to filter and respond to members
Message-ID: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIKECHCEAA.larry@guestfamily.com>

I have setup mailman to use procmail by using the very cool FAQ on it, it
works great.
I am filtering mail based on the domain in the "From" header.  If its the
right domain the mail may be posted to the list, if not it gets dumped into
/dev/null.

What I want to do is not have it go to /dev/null but to send a response back
to the originator saying that he does not have permission to post to the
xxxx list.  Mailman does a very nice job of this by itself, but I am using
procmail to check the mail first.

Does anyone know how to direct the mail from procmail back into mailman to
generate this mail and place the right list name and mailman sender into the
mail???


Here is the setting I have right now to get procmail to work.

/etc/aliases
 test-list:              "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=test-list
/home/mailman/procmailrc"
 test-list-admin:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test-list"
 test-list-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test-list"
 test-list-owner:         test-list-admin



procmailrc file
 :0
 * !^From:.*@mydomain.net
 /dev/null

 #this rule will take anything that passes the above rule and pipe it
 #to the mailman program so it can be posted to the correct list.
 :0
 |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN}


Thanks!!





From dene at ulmschneiders.com  Fri Jun 21 03:08:45 2002
From: dene at ulmschneiders.com (Dene Ulmschneider)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] random messages are placed into "trash"
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620210655.022a15b8@192.168.1.111>

Every so often I check my trash and tehre are messages that were never even 
read, let alone intentionally placed there by me.
Is this a know issue or does anyone know how I might be able to fix this??

I am running RHL 7.2 on a PIII-500 with 512mb RAM. If anymore info is need 
please let me know.

Thank you,

Dene Ulmschneider





From bills at right-net.com  Fri Jun 21 04:48:54 2002
From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:48:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] May have Lost archives while converting prior archives to Web based
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0206201917310.27158-100000@mast.right-net.com>

Last night was too exciting.  I wanted to incorporate archives of an old
list that I had converted to mailman a few months back.  I found a Mailman
FAQ at:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=archives&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search

Following the instructions I tried to convert a 42M archive.  I executed
the command to make the pipermail archive (with my list name inserted
where <list> is):

 bin/arch <list> archives/private/<list>.mbox/<list>.mbox
	Note: bin/arch was executed from /var/lib/mailman

Instead of getting a larger web archive, everything dissappeared from the
archive directory on down the root tree -- not only for this list but for
all my lists.

Does anyone have any idea where the files may have gone, besides the bit
bucket?

Much TIA!







From raquel at thericehouse.net  Fri Jun 21 06:23:47 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:23:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime.pl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0206202204220.53713-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206201436470.28269-100000@maillist.myip.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.44.0206202204220.53713-100000@pooh.ASARian.org>
Message-ID: <20020620212347.7e952800.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:07:25 -0400 (EDT)
Fuzzy Fuzzy <fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org> wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Chad Rebuck wrote:
> 
> > Any idea how I can get mailmail to work with stripmime and
> sendmail?
> >
<snip>
> 
> assuming you are not using smrsh that should work
> 
> A line from my aliases for list courage (2.1b2+ but the idea is
> the same):
> 
> courage:
> "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
> courage"
> 
> Fuzzy

And if we are using smrsh??

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
One of the annoying things about believing in free will and
individual responsibility is the difficulty of finding somebody to
blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, it's
remarkable how often his picture turns up on your driver's license.
  --P. J. O'Rourke

                              
                              




From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org  Fri Jun 21 07:18:20 2002
From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:18:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to create an announce-only list / newsletter / admin-post only list
In-Reply-To: <200206201154.13217.courtney@4th.com>; from courtney@4th.com on Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 11:54:13AM -0400
References: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de> <3D11EE44.A11029F4@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20020620171758.W47522@amor.yuckfou.org> <200206201154.13217.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <20020621071820.I47522@amor.yuckfou.org>

On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 11:54:13AM -0400, Scott Courtney wrote:
> On Thursday 20 June 2002 11:17 am, Nils Vogels wrote:
> > Could you please explain me, why it is a good thing that people can not
> > unsubscribe from such a list ?
> >
> > I can imagine cases where the administrator of the list finds it important
> > that a message gets delivered to all the people /he/ wishes to explicitly
> > receive the message.
> >
> > While I agree this could easily be used for UCE, imagine a list of people
> > you want to send a christmas-postcard via email to. I'd really like the
> > good things from mailman, such as bounce detection, archiving etc, while I
> > also want to make sure that each of my online friends gets the digital
> > postcard.
> 
> Even in this case, though, I think it is bad form not to allow unsubscription.
> If you have a greeting card list, and someone takes the trouble to specifically
> follow a link or send a list command to unsubscribe, wouldn't that suggest that
> the greeting card is unwelcome? Unsubscriptions rarely happen by accident.

[ snip online friends ]

Somehow I recognise the situation .. :)

> I don't mean any disrespect to your views, but I'm still unable to come up with
> any non-spam reason for blocking unsubscriptions. If someone can think of one
> that I've overlooked, I'll gladly stand corrected. :-)

One other issue that I have, where the feature might come in handy is this:

Imagine this: I've got a nested mailinglist, like this:

mailinglist1
  - user1
  - user2
  - mailinglist2
    - user3
    - user4
  - mailinglist3
    - user5
    - user6
  - user7

Should anyone use the option 'lost password' option for maillinglist2, they would 
be able to get the password to control options such as unsubscribing, since
they know the address the posts go to. For obvious reasons, I /really/ do not 
want that ...

-- 
Nils Vogels		PGP:0xC26BD15F Available on keyservers.
S at H:4776WU/6.494yr	--> setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu. Will you find aliens?

My other computer is your windows box.




From pmorgan at quickpages.net.au  Fri Jun 21 08:40:18 2002
From: pmorgan at quickpages.net.au (Phillp Morgan)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:40:18 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q re add_members
Message-ID: <007c01c218ee$82b3a6d0$0c00a8c0@qpbd103>

Hi,

If I use add_members -ninputfile -wn listname, and input file contains
members that are already in the target list, will mailman try to add
duplicates, or is it smart enough only add those that don't already exist?

Regards,

Phillip Morgan





From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri Jun 21 11:20:12 2002
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:20:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to create an announce-only list / newsletter / 
 admin-post only list
References: <3D10B633.C141403C@folkwang-hochschule.de> <3D11EE44.A11029F4@folkwang-hochschule.de> <20020620171758.W47522@amor.yuckfou.org> <200206201154.13217.courtney@4th.com> <20020621071820.I47522@amor.yuckfou.org>
Message-ID: <3D12EFCC.D2E0DBF1@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Nils Vogels wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 11:54:13AM -0400, Scott Courtney wrote:

> > I don't mean any disrespect to your views, but I'm still unable to come up with
> > any non-spam reason for blocking unsubscriptions. If someone can think of one
> > that I've overlooked, I'll gladly stand corrected. :-)
> 
> One other issue that I have, where the feature might come in handy is this:
> 
> Imagine this: I've got a nested mailinglist, like this:
> 
> mailinglist1
>   - user1
>   - user2
>   - mailinglist2
>     - user3
>     - user4
>   - mailinglist3
>     - user5
>     - user6
>   - user7
> 
> Should anyone use the option 'lost password' option for maillinglist2, they would
> be able to get the password to control options such as unsubscribing, since
> they know the address the posts go to. For obvious reasons, I /really/ do not
> want that ...

a possible solution is to make the top-level list an "umbrella" list.
you can specify special requst handling for these lists (i.e. all
administrative msgs can be sent to <subscribed_addess>-owner instead of
just <subscribed_address>. that would imply you must not have real
subscribers on the top-level list, but that should be acceptable.




From crebuck at attglobal.net  Fri Jun 21 15:04:34 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:04:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime.pl
In-Reply-To: <20020620212347.7e952800.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206210858080.1210-100000@maillist.myip.org>

Sendmail would not let me pipe to a pipe.  I was getting an error message.  
The author of stripmime thought I would have to use a script with 
sendmail, so I gave it a try and it worked fine.  Here are the associated 
files:

aliases file:

a2-16v:                  "|/home/mailman/removemime"


link to my script in /etc/smrsh:

[root at maillist /etc/mail]# ll /etc/smrsh/
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           24 Jun 20 15:51 removemime -> 
/home/mailman/removemime



[root at maillist /etc/mail]# cat /home/mailman/removemime
#!/bin/sh
/home/mailman/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post a2-16v



On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Raquel Rice wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:07:25 -0400 (EDT)
> Fuzzy Fuzzy <fuzzy at pooh.ASARian.org> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Chad Rebuck wrote:
> > 
> > > Any idea how I can get mailmail to work with stripmime and
> > sendmail?
> > >
> <snip>
> > 
> > assuming you are not using smrsh that should work
> > 
> > A line from my aliases for list courage (2.1b2+ but the idea is
> > the same):
> > 
> > courage:
> > "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
> > courage"
> > 
> > Fuzzy
> 
> And if we are using smrsh??
> 
> 





From markgill at GreatBooks.Org  Fri Jun 21 16:41:08 2002
From: markgill at GreatBooks.Org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:41:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not creating new mail users
Message-ID: <sd12f4cd.000@PO.CHIC.GREATBOOKS.ORG>

My fresh rpm installation of Mailman-2.0.11 on a fresh RedHat 7.2
installation does not create new mail users when a new list is created.
For instance for the list "test"  neither
test-request at gbf1.greatbooks.org or test at gbf1.greatbooks.org are valid
email addresses. I checked the symbolic link for wrapper and followed
the README.REDHAT instructions (I may have missed something). 

Please give me a pointer if you can.

Mark Gillingham (markgill at greatbooks.org)
The Great Books Foundation
312 332 5870x214
Consulting  Board of Computers in Human Behavior
Newsletters: http://www.greatbooks.org/lists/
 Great Books Discussion
 Leading Edge
 Sweet Milk




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Fri Jun 21 16:41:36 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:41:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime.pl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206210858080.1210-100000@maillist.myip.org>
References: <20020620212347.7e952800.raquel@thericehouse.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0206210858080.1210-100000@maillist.myip.org>
Message-ID: <20020621074136.475b817c.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:04:34 -0400 (EDT)
Chad Rebuck Chad Rebuck <crebuck at attglobal.net> wrote:

> Sendmail would not let me pipe to a pipe.  I was getting an error
> message.  
> The author of stripmime thought I would have to use a script with 
> sendmail, so I gave it a try and it worked fine.  Here are the
> associated 
> files:
> 
> aliases file:
> 
> a2-16v:                  "|/home/mailman/removemime"
> 
> 
> link to my script in /etc/smrsh:
> 
> [root at maillist /etc/mail]# ll /etc/smrsh/
> total 0
> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           24 Jun 20 15:51 removemime
> -> 
> /home/mailman/removemime
> 
> 
> 
> [root at maillist /etc/mail]# cat /home/mailman/removemime
> #!/bin/sh
> /home/mailman/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post a2-16v
> 

Thank you Chad!  That makes sense.

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot
do.
  --Walter Bagehot

                              
                              




From crebuck at attglobal.net  Fri Jun 21 17:39:54 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:39:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not creating new mail users
In-Reply-To: <sd12f4cd.000@PO.CHIC.GREATBOOKS.ORG>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206211139001.1955-100000@maillist.myip.org>

I had problems with using test as well.  Try test-list instead.

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Mark Gillingham wrote:

> My fresh rpm installation of Mailman-2.0.11 on a fresh RedHat 7.2
> installation does not create new mail users when a new list is created.
> For instance for the list "test"  neither
> test-request at gbf1.greatbooks.org or test at gbf1.greatbooks.org are valid
> email addresses. I checked the symbolic link for wrapper and followed
> the README.REDHAT instructions (I may have missed something). 
> 
> Please give me a pointer if you can.
> 
> Mark Gillingham (markgill at greatbooks.org)
> The Great Books Foundation
> 312 332 5870x214
> Consulting  Board of Computers in Human Behavior
> Newsletters: http://www.greatbooks.org/lists/
>  Great Books Discussion
>  Leading Edge
>  Sweet Milk
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 





From marc at sniukas.com  Fri Jun 21 20:44:37 2002
From: marc at sniukas.com (Marc Sniukas)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:44:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Messages
Message-ID: <002101c21953$b2013a00$9a0dbad4@tp600e>

How can I edit the welcome and other automatic messages send out by
mailman?
 
Thanks for your help,
Marc
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From rockmh at austin.rr.com  Fri Jun 21 23:28:40 2002
From: rockmh at austin.rr.com (Robert Rock Howard)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:28:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.0.10 question
Message-ID: <200206212118.g5LLI9oF006050@sm11.texas.rr.com>

devin <devin2 at theinternet.info> wrote:
> I'm using mailman version 2.0.10. When I try to change the case of my 
> list name, the first option on the General Options page, I get denied. 
> Example:
> 
> Change:
> Sprinkler-newsletter to Sprinkler-Newsletter
> Response:
> real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by 
> case only.
> 
> Is this a bug?

I have the same problem with 2.0.11 running on IMHosted.

> Also, is there any way that I can edit the templates used when sending 
> confirmation and welcome emails? I don't want my welcome emails to 
> include instructions on how to post to the list because posting is 
> restricted to the admin.

I would also ne interested in the answer to this question.

Rock




From curtisburns at qwest.net  Sat Jun 22 05:46:32 2002
From: curtisburns at qwest.net (Curtis Burns)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:46:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simply, how to start a list
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621204517.02ca4e80@pop.mpls.qwest.net>

My domain is hosted by GISOL.com.  How do I start my mailing list.  I 
cannot find any documentation.
Curtis Burns

From cprg at cprg.net  Sat Jun 22 05:33:46 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (cprg at cprg.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:33:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simply, how to start a list
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621204517.02ca4e80@pop.mpls.qwest.net>
Message-ID: <00eb01c2199d$9e379d80$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

You would, if you just looked around your host's support
links a little... In your hosting control panel, click on 

[ support, knowledge base, control panel, email ] 

and read your host's faq on this topic.. Your host is using a 
customized control panel, and you should ask them for the 
location of their cPanel documentation user's manual. 

cPanel publishes an extensive user manual and if your host 
does not have one, you should consider finding another host. 
It is your hosts job to provide you with full documentation 
for cPanel, that's part of what you pay the hosting service for.
If you had a manual, you wouldn't be asking this type of
question to the wrong users-group.  

This mailman-user-group isn't here to instruct folks about 
using cPanel, or simple activation of mailman that is already
on the server, but here is a link to the manual provided with
the cPanel license: http://www.cpanel.net/docs/cp/ .  and
specifically, the generic mailing list documentation is at: http://www.cpanel.net/docs/cp/mailingLists.htm ..

tom 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curtis Burns" <curtisburns at qwest.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simply, how to start a list


| My domain is hosted by GISOL.com.  How do I start my mailing list.  I 
| cannot find any documentation.
| Curtis Burns
| 

From cprg at cprg.net  Sat Jun 22 05:33:48 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (cprg at cprg.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:33:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.0.10 question
References: <200206212118.g5LLI9oF006050@sm11.texas.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00ec01c2199d$9ef7e040$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

Numerous *.txt and *.html files are in the "templates" folder,
many of these are the ones that send those automatic messages. 
Backup these files & edit carefully, and be cautious if you decide
to change any of the " %(mailmanCommand)s " type references. 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Rock Howard" <rockmh at austin.rr.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.0.10 question


| devin <devin2 at theinternet.info> wrote:
| > I'm using mailman version 2.0.10. When I try to change the case of my 
| > list name, the first option on the General Options page, I get denied. 
| > Example:
| > 
| > Change:
| > Sprinkler-newsletter to Sprinkler-Newsletter
| > Response:
| > real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by 
| > case only.
| > 
| > Is this a bug?
| 
| I have the same problem with 2.0.11 running on IMHosted.
| 
| > Also, is there any way that I can edit the templates used when sending 
| > confirmation and welcome emails? I don't want my welcome emails to 
| > include instructions on how to post to the list because posting is 
| > restricted to the admin.
| 
| I would also ne interested in the answer to this question.
| 
| Rock
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users mailing list
| Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
| 
| 

From cprg at cprg.net  Sat Jun 22 05:33:50 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (cprg at cprg.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Messages
References: <002101c21953$b2013a00$9a0dbad4@tp600e>
Message-ID: <00f001c2199d$a04791c0$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

MessageNumerous *.txt and *.html files are in the "templates" folder,
many of these are the ones that send those automatic messages. 
Backup these files & edit carefully, and be cautious if you decide
to change any of the " %(mailmanCommand)s " type references. 
tom 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Marc Sniukas 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:44 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing Messages


  How can I edit the welcome and other automatic messages send out by mailman?

  Thanks for your help,
  Marc
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Jun 22 05:51:27 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:51:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam intrusion
Message-ID: <3D13F43E.EE1F270C@pcraft.com>

    I'd like to know how posts from NON-members are getting posted to lists that are explicitly set to only allow members:

----------
post to hyperbolical from mailer-daemon13692 at google.com, size=743, success
post to hypnotica from mailer-daemon18643 at google.com, size=723, 1 failures
post to notgoingtostop from mailer-daemon25941 at google.com, size=755, success
post to perennity from mailer-daemon12314 at google.com, size=726, success
----------


    This is running MM 2.0.11 and for whatever dumb reason it rejects some, and it allows others.  All lists are set to allow only members to post (I've just verified that myself), yet as you can see above, three out of four got through without a hitch.

    Can someone tell me what might be happening?  Is there anywhere else I need to look for possible errors, or misconfigurations?

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From tnt at md.2y.net  Sat Jun 22 17:27:40 2002
From: tnt at md.2y.net (David Weisgerber)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:27:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto solve unknown mailer error without recompiling?
Message-ID: <200206222138.g5MLcxg3023128@md.2y.net>

Hi,
does somebody know how I can do this? The problem is, that I am running 
Mandrak Linux 8.2 and I installed Mailman from the MDK8.2 CDs but he has this 
problems... Do I have to reinstall the RPM with setting it to the right GID?

The funny is, that I think that the GID is set right ( 12 - mail ) but it 
wants to have it set to 99 ( unknown ). What can I do ? By the way, I am 
using sendmail.

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner kutro"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: kutro-admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

Thanks for help,
David

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From Topaz11green at aol.com  Sat Jun 22 20:14:22 2002
From: Topaz11green at aol.com (Topaz11green at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 14:14:22 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To option, Author Name and Archives 
Message-ID: <ba.27d031e5.2a46187e@aol.com>

Hi Joel and other interested parties,

Thanks for your offer of help. In the meantime, I seem to have found the 
source of the problem.

If you look at the pipermail.py file, starting at line 177:

    # Figure out the e-mail address and poster's name
    self.author, self.email = message.getaddr('From')
    #e = message.getheader('Reply-To')
    #if e is not None:
        #    self.email = e
    self.email = strip_separators(self.email)
    self.author = strip_separators(self.author)

    if self.author == "":
            self.author = self.email

the code references the "Reply-To" header. If you comment out the three lines 
starting with e = message (etc) as I have done above, and then recreate your 
archives, the archives work as expected, with the author being the actual 
author and not the list address. And, the actual e-mail will still have the 
Reply-To: header.

Take care,

-Susan

In a message dated 6/7/2002 3:43:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
uckelman at scylla.ellipsis.cx writes:

> I think this is the same problem I asked about a few days ago. I've been 
>  looking at the code in an attempt to determine out why this happens, but I 
>  haven't made much progress thus far. I'll let you know if I figure it out.
>  
>  -- 
>  J.
>  




From aaryn at Ag.arizona.edu  Sat Jun 22 23:42:21 2002
From: aaryn at Ag.arizona.edu (Aaryn)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 14:42:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a list of 'nomail'-flagged subscribers
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0206221441390.23080-100000@Ag.arizona.edu>

We have users who have large lists, one has over a thousand users, and
keeping track of all the dead email addresses can be tedious through the
web interface.  Is there a command-line way of getting a list of all email
addresses in a list that have 'nomail' flagged?

Aaryn






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Jun 23 20:53:21 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto solve unknown mailer error without recompiling?
In-Reply-To: <200206222138.g5MLcxg3023128@md.2y.net>
References: <200206222138.g5MLcxg3023128@md.2y.net>
Message-ID: <01c590048181762FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>

Last time I talked to the guy doing the Mailman RPM for Mandrake (my 
favorite dist), he said that he was setting it up to work with Postfix.  
You might want to look around and see if there is a specific MDK-rpm for 
sendmail.  Or you might want to use Postfix as your MTA.

An other option is to install from source.  Installing from source is very 
trivial:  You download the source and extract it (tar -xzf ...), change to 
the directory formed by untarring it and run "./configure" then "make 
install" 

Jon
On Saturday 22 June 2002 11:27 am, David Weisgerber wrote:
> Hi,
> does somebody know how I can do this? The problem is, that I am running
> Mandrak Linux 8.2 and I installed Mailman from the MDK8.2 CDs but he has
> this problems... Do I have to reinstall the RPM with setting it to the
> right GID?
>
> The funny is, that I think that the GID is set right ( 12 - mail ) but it
> wants to have it set to 99 ( unknown ). What can I do ? By the way, I am
> using sendmail.
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner kutro"
>     (reason: 2)
>     (expanded from: kutro-admin)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take
> 12?) 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> Thanks for help,
> David




From tnt at md.2y.net  Sun Jun 23 20:55:25 2002
From: tnt at md.2y.net (David Weisgerber)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:55:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto solve unknown mailer error without recompiling?
In-Reply-To: <01c590048181762FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>
References: <200206222138.g5MLcxg3023128@md.2y.net> <01c590048181762FE8@mail8.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200206240107.g5O177g3004994@md.2y.net>

Thx, I installed it from source now...Wouldn't it be better to make this port 
setting an option which you can configure via config-file rather than 
compiling it ?

Thx,
David

Am Sonntag, 23. Juni 2002 20:53 schrieben Sie:
> Last time I talked to the guy doing the Mailman RPM for Mandrake (my
> favorite dist), he said that he was setting it up to work with Postfix.
> You might want to look around and see if there is a specific MDK-rpm for
> sendmail.  Or you might want to use Postfix as your MTA.
>
> An other option is to install from source.  Installing from source is very
> trivial:  You download the source and extract it (tar -xzf ...), change to
> the directory formed by untarring it and run "./configure" then "make
> install"
>
> Jon
>

-- 
WinNT error 003: FPU error - enter any 11 digit prime number to continue.




From michael at firewing.org  Sun Jun 23 21:18:37 2002
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trouble shooting question
In-Reply-To: <026201c1a3b6$00fadb20$ea026c42@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0206231215040.9113-100000@firewing.org>

Talk to Hostway or file a trouble ticket through their web interface. I
used to use them, I found that often there were issues with them while using
Mailman. Often, for instance, if digest was enabled
messages would queue up and never send. Eventually, no one would receive
mail at all until digesting was disabled. I'm not sure if processes were
getting used up and the machine was stalling because of system load or if
it's locking issues.

My solution was to pull my lists off Hostway after filing multiple tickets
with no solution forthcoming. But then this doesn't solve _your_
problem....

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Melinda Gallagher wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My mailman list is host through hostway.  It seems that some of the peopple subscribed to my list are no longer receiving emails posted by the poster (the owner-myself) but there is no indication on my end that these messages are being bounced back.  Any suggestions as to why this may be happening?
>
> --Melinda
>





From saul.albert at virgin.net  Sun Jun 23 23:36:09 2002
From: saul.albert at virgin.net (saul)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:36:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing cgi-bin scripts after install
Message-ID: <20020623213731.IOKM22320.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@there>

Hello,

I've just been trying to install mailman on a redhat linux (2.4.19-pre7) 
virtual server.

Everything seems to go ok, but I get the following error on make install:

----------- 

[mailman at twenteenth mailman]$ bin/check_perms 
Traceback (innermost last): 
File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ? 
checkmail() 
File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail 
mode = statmode(wrapper) 
File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode 
return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] 
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper' 

------------ 

I then make a directory at /home/mailman/mail/wrapper and chmod it as 
described in the install instructions . After doing this, running 
/bin/check_perms -f returns "no problems found".

Then, when I check my cgi-bin, it's empty, so of course, nothing works.

I've tried make clean / make install again using two different versions 
(2.0.11 and 2.0.8) and neither makes any difference, I get the same error on 
the first attempt, and still nothing in my cgi-bin.

I found a thread about this on this list archive

( http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-February/000411.html )

but the suggested solution is adding a line to mailman-2.0.8/src/common.h ... 
I checked common.h in version 2.0.11 and 2.0.8 and found the line already 
there.. so no joy there. 

Does anyone have any ideas?

Cheers,

Saul.




From dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk  Mon Jun 24 02:55:57 2002
From: dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk (Dominic Hargreaves)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:55:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python probems, mm 2.1b2, rh71
Message-ID: <20020624015557.Z1414@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>

Hi,

I'm having some problems upgrading from mailman 2.0.11 to 2.1b2.

The setup is redhat 7.1 with the python2 package (python2-2.0-3) installed
from powertools.

the configure and make stages go fine (passing ./configure
--with-python=/usr/bin/python2 since /usr/bin/python is 1.5.2)

When I run make install, however, I hit the following error:

...
Compiling /srv/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Listing /srv/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
Compiling /srv/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/srv/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 34, in ?
    import email.Iterators
  File "/srv/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 32, in ?
    from Parser import Parser as _Parser
  File "/srv/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 12, in ?
    import Message
  File "/srv/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 8, in ?
    import warnings
ImportError: No module named warnings
make: *** [update] Error 1

I'm not familiar with python so I'm unsure how to proceed. Is this likely
to be a problem with redhat's packaging of python2, a problem with mailman
not liking the /usr/bin/python2 location, or something else I've missed?

Thanks,

Dominic.




From shu.ung at anu.edu.au  Mon Jun 24 07:12:06 2002
From: shu.ung at anu.edu.au (Shu Ung)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:12:06 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restrict posting and auto reject posting
Message-ID: <3D16AA26.1FD9E02F@anu.edu.au>

Hi,

Is there a way to configure a list to automatically allow posting from a
particular address and automatically reject posting from other addresses
without the messages being held for approval?

Thanks,
Shu




From CUGARTE at ati.es  Mon Jun 24 13:06:45 2002
From: CUGARTE at ati.es (Carmen Ugarte)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:06:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting to several lists
In-Reply-To: <3D16AA26.1FD9E02F@anu.edu.au>
References: <3D16AA26.1FD9E02F@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <1024916805.3d16fd45b5802@intranet.ati.es>

I haver read and even experienced something about posting to several lists 
under Mailman. The impression is that only one list is allowed 

1) Is this true?

2) If so, this restriction can be bypassed, customized?

3) What happens with the message sent to a second or third list?

Thanks in advance,


Carmen




From dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk  Mon Jun 24 13:31:50 2002
From: dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk (Dominic Hargreaves)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:31:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python probems, mm 2.1b2, rh71
In-Reply-To: <20020624015557.Z1414@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>; from dominic.hargreaves@magdalen.oxford.ac.uk on Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 01:55:57AM +0100
References: <20020624015557.Z1414@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20020624123150.B1414@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 01:55:57AM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having some problems upgrading from mailman 2.0.11 to 2.1b2.
> 
> The setup is redhat 7.1 with the python2 package (python2-2.0-3) installed
> from powertools.

Someone has pointed out to me by private mail that I need python 2.2 to run
mailman 2.1, so it was a mistake on my part not to have read the requirements
carefully enough. However, it's worth pointing out that the configure script
complained when I tried to run it with python 1.5.2, but not when I ran it
with 2.0. Should this be fixed?

Cheers,

Dom.




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jun 24 13:33:57 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:33:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting to several lists
In-Reply-To: <1024916805.3d16fd45b5802@intranet.ati.es>
References: <3D16AA26.1FD9E02F@anu.edu.au>
 <3D16AA26.1FD9E02F@anu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624122350.03342138@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 13:06 24/06/2002 +0200, Carmen Ugarte wrote:

>I haver read and even experienced something about posting to several lists
>under Mailman. The impression is that only one list is allowed
>
>1) Is this true?

No. But you can run into problems with the Spam specific posting filters 
which can be adjusted on the Privacy Options page of the web admin GUI for 
each Mailman list

You might be thinking of the configurable limit 'Ceiling on acceptable 
number of recipients for a posting' restriction.

Yo can alos run into problems if list1's alias is a member of list2, which 
means the list2 doesn't appear as an explicit addressee when mail sent to 
list1 is passed to it. You can run into problems if you haven't setup an 
appropriate value in 'Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or 
cc destination' if 'Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) 
field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?' is set to 
'Yes'

>2) If so, this restriction can be bypassed, customized?
>
>3) What happens with the message sent to a second or third list?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Carmen
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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From khcarlso at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 24 17:19:51 2002
From: khcarlso at bellsouth.net (Kevin Carlson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:19:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Programmatically changing admin options
Message-ID: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECMEJEHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>

Is it possible to programmatically change admin options without resorting to
using httplib?  For example, I would like to be able to change privacy
options on a newly created list without calling into
http://host/mailman/admin/list

Anyone know of any options available to do this?

Thanks,

Kevin








From joshua at joshua.com  Mon Jun 24 17:33:02 2002
From: joshua at joshua.com (joshua d. wachs)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] looking for hosting provider...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624113028.02f4ab68@mail.joshua.com>

Hi... I am looking to get a group I run (actually a few of them...) off of 
Yahoo Groups (ick) and onto Mailman. I don't currently have a box running 
that can host this and was wondering if anyone knew of any commercial 
hosting companies that support Mailman?

Thanks!





From zz at evjohn.com  Mon Jun 24 17:43:12 2002
From: zz at evjohn.com (zz at evjohn.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:43:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two quick MailMan questions
Message-ID: <4gfehu8k8ub4qebnalmjc6p5ojneu8esfl@4ax.com>

1.  As list administrator, is there any way I can get a list of all
subscribers emailed to me?  If not is there a way I can fiew the entire
list at once? - Where should I have looked to find documentation on this?

2.  Is there any wan I can mass delete list members?

Many thanks.




From mailman at whitworks.com  Mon Jun 24 17:51:48 2002
From: mailman at whitworks.com (Valerie)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:51:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logs question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206241049370.28649-100000@host.whitworks.com>

Can the log files generated by Mailman be cleaned out/deleted without
hurting anything?  If the answer is yes, if I delete them - will they
recreate themselves or should I just remove the contents of them?

Just wanted to check before I broke something!

Thanks
Valerie





From khcarlso at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 24 18:56:53 2002
From: khcarlso at bellsouth.net (Kevin Carlson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:56:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Programmatically changing admin options
In-Reply-To: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECMEJEHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECMEJLHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>

If anyone is interested, I thought again about this and wrote some httplib
code to modify the admin and general options of a list.  It works great.  I
would be happy to send the code to whomever would like it.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Carlson
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:20 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Programmatically changing admin options


Is it possible to programmatically change admin options without resorting to
using httplib?  For example, I would like to be able to change privacy
options on a newly created list without calling into
http://host/mailman/admin/list

Anyone know of any options available to do this?

Thanks,

Kevin






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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jun 24 19:19:08 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:19:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two quick MailMan questions
In-Reply-To: <4gfehu8k8ub4qebnalmjc6p5ojneu8esfl@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624180701.0419e120@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:43 24/06/2002 -0400, zz at evjohn.com wrote:
>1.  As list administrator, is there any way I can get a list of all
>subscribers emailed to me?  If not is there a way I can fiew the entire
>list at once? - Where should I have looked to find documentation on this?

Not emailed. If you've got command line access to the system, you can use 
$prefix/bin/list_members to get a list of members and 
$prefix/bin/remove_members, $prefix/bin/sync_members and 
$prefix/bin/add_members to maintain list membership. Use the -h command 
option to get the help for each of the commands in $prefix/bin

>2.  Is there any wan I can mass delete list members?

Aside from the command $prefix/bin you can use the Membership Management 
page of the web admin GUI for a list; but this will only show and let you 
change, depending on your site config, something like 30 subscribers at a 
time. You can click off the check mark under the 'subscr' column of the 
display for users you want to unsubscribe and then click the 'Submit Your 
Changes' button at the bootom of the page.


>Many thanks.





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jun 24 19:23:45 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:23:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Programmatically changing admin options
In-Reply-To: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECMEJLHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>
References: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECMEJEHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624182016.042a8850@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:56 24/06/2002 -0400, Kevin Carlson wrote:
>If anyone is interested, I thought again about this and wrote some httplib
>code to modify the admin and general options of a list.  It works great.  I
>would be happy to send the code to whomever would like it.
>
>Kevin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Carlson
>Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:20 AM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Programmatically changing admin options
>
>
>Is it possible to programmatically change admin options without resorting to
>using httplib?  For example, I would like to be able to change privacy
>options on a newly created list without calling into
>http://host/mailman/admin/list
>
>Anyone know of any options available to do this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kevin

You can use:

1. the $prefix/bin/withlist facility

2.  the $prefix/bin/config_list command

Use the -h command line option on either to get more info.





From aaryn at Ag.arizona.edu  Mon Jun 24 19:27:04 2002
From: aaryn at Ag.arizona.edu (Aaryn)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:27:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] quick question
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624180701.0419e120@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0206241025210.16666-100000@Ag.arizona.edu>

is there a quick and easy way to get a list of all members of a list who
are not receiving the mail (i.e., they have the nomail option chcked in
membership management)?





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jun 24 19:27:20 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:27:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logs question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206241049370.28649-100000@host.whitworks.co
 m>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624182417.042a8850@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:51 24/06/2002 -0500, Valerie wrote:

>Can the log files generated by Mailman be cleaned out/deleted without
>hurting anything?  If the answer is yes, if I delete them - will they
>recreate themselves or should I just remove the contents of them?
>
>Just wanted to check before I broke something!
>
>Thanks
>Valerie

Sounds like you might want to consider rotating you logs regularly and 
automatically. Attached is an earlier post to this list by J C Lawrence 
<claw at kanga.nu> on that topic:

>X-Sieve: cmu-sieve 1.3
>To: Mark Moshe Kaye <jotd2k at yahoo.com>
>Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] size of log files
>X-face: 
>?<YUs-cNP1\Oc-H>^_yw at fA`CEX&}--=*&XqXbF-oePvxaT4(kyt\nwM9]{]N!>b^K}-Mb9
>  YH%saz^>nq5usBlD"s{(.h'_w|U^3ldUq7wVZz$`u>MB(-4$f\a6Eu8.e=Pf\
>X-image-url: http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/kanga.face.tiff
>X-url: http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
>From: J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu>
>X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.11
>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 (101270)
>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:15:20 -0700
>
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
>Mark Moshe Kaye <jotd2k at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What is the best way to deal with log files that have become large,
> > the bounce file in particular is huge.
>
>logrotate package.
>
> > If I rename it will mailman notice it is missing and recreate
> > automatically or do I need to create an empty file.
>
>It will recreate.
>
> > Some advise would be appreciated on best practices for keeping these
> > file sizes under control.
>
>The logrotate conf I use:
>
>/var/log/mailman/bounce {
>         weekly
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 4
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/digest {
>         monthly
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 4
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/error {
>         weekly
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 4
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/post {
>         monthly
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 12
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure {
>         daily
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 7
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/smtp {
>         daily
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 7
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/locks {
>         daily
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 7
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/fromusenet {
>         daily
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 7
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/qrunner {
>         daily
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 7
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/subscribe {
>         monthly
>         missingok
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 12
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>/var/log/mailman/vette {
>         weekly
>         create 0664 list list
>         rotate 4
>         compress
>         delaycompress
>}
>
>
>--
>J C Lawrence
>---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
>claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
>http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.





From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Jun 24 21:26:02 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:26:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: looking for hosting provider...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624113028.02f4ab68@mail.joshua.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020624113028.02f4ab68@mail.joshua.com>
Message-ID: <20020624192602.GA30521@hq.newdream.net>

joshua d. wachs wrote:

> Hi... I am looking to get a group I run (actually a few of them...) off of 
> Yahoo Groups (ick) and onto Mailman. I don't currently have a box running 
> that can host this and was wondering if anyone knew of any commercial 
> hosting companies that support Mailman?

<shameless self promotion>

The company I work for (http://dreamhost.com/) has mailman discussion
lists (using Mailman) integrated into all of our plans, which start
around $10 a month.

We've had several customers move to us for the same reason (moving off
Yahoo groups), and the moves seem to have been successful.

It's not integrated into our panel yet, but we also offer the option to
process your list using demime (to strip out MIME attachments and HTML
mail)...

</shameless self promotion>

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Mon Jun 24 21:29:11 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes zmoelnig)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:29:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailaddresses with bad characters
Message-ID: <3D177307.4010805@iem.kug.ac.at>

hi list

running my mailman-list, i have come into following problem:
some user prefer extra-cool (aka stupid ??) email-addresses like
cool^man at coolplanet.com

i cannot subscribe these addresses (as administrator, i do not know,
whether they can subscribe themselves -- but i am porting my lists to
mailman so this is my task)

are there any possibilities to do so ??
or do i have to teach my users to avoid such names ?

mfg.d.sar
IOhannes

ps: i've sent this message with another email-address before, it is 
waiting for approval, so you might get this message twice (sorry)






From crebuck at attglobal.net  Mon Jun 24 22:21:20 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:21:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mime/html removal
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206241612360.1255-100000@maillist.myip.org>

Could anyone share their opinion on which mime/html removal tool works 
best?  There are a few listed in the mailman faq

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#1.8

I chose to use stripmime: http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html.  
There are some aol 6.0 users that post the list I host and I see =20 at
the end of the lines in the pipermail archive.  Maybe this would be
handled better with another tool?  Those who are using similar tools,
demime, mimefilter, etc please let me know.

Thanks, Chad






From rbs at snippets.org  Mon Jun 24 22:53:30 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:53:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mime/html removal
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206241612360.1255-100000@maillist.myip.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206241552450.18801-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Chad Rebuck wrote:

> I chose to use stripmime: http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html.
> There are some aol 6.0 users that post the list I host and I see =20 at
> the end of the lines in the pipermail archive.  Maybe this would be
> handled better with another tool?  Those who are using similar tools,
> demime, mimefilter, etc please let me know.

I'm using demime and it seems to work as advertised - I'm quite happy with
it.

-------------------------------------------------------------
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   Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
   DIY Loudspeaker Driver Selection Guide (LDSG):
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From camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il  Wed Jun 19 14:49:49 2002
From: camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il (Botez Camelia)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:49:49 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper from mailman
Message-ID: <200206191249.g5JCnna04872@wicc.weizmann.ac.il>

Hello 

My name is Camelia Botez and I'm system admin in Weizmann Institute.
I installed mailman on our web server that runs also like mail server.
Everything looks nice but when I send mail to one of the lists 
,I don't get any error message , but the mail doesn't go to the users
from the list.
I'd like to understand more about how wrapper works , what additional \
settings I can use to configure the wrapper and if the fact that mailman server 
is on dmz (outside firewall ) and users get their mails on inside firewall 
server can affect the functions of mailman.


Please answer me ( it is not the first time I send an e-mail about this 
poblem).

Thank you


Camelia

camelia.botez at weizmann.ac.il




From rschouten at abcoffice.com  Wed Jun 19 17:26:41 2002
From: rschouten at abcoffice.com (Ryan Schouten - ABCOffice)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:26:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Main
Message-ID: <E2D6A4DD728ED5119F3300B0D0D143BB1F345A@ABCOSERVER>

Does your software handle bounce backs?
 
Thank you,
Ryan Schouten
ABC Office
 
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From aaryn at Ag.arizona.edu  Fri Jun 21 02:13:46 2002
From: aaryn at Ag.arizona.edu (Aaryn)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:13:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a list of 'nomail'-flagged subscribers
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0206201708260.28554-100000@Ag.arizona.edu>

We have users who have large lists, one has over a thousand users, and
keeping track of all the dead email addresses can be tedious through the
web interface.  Is there a command-line way of getting a list of all email
addresses in a list that have 'nomail' flagged?

Aaryn





From zbyszek at sgm.org  Fri Jun 21 14:07:05 2002
From: zbyszek at sgm.org (Zbigniew Szalbot - SGM)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:07:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe?
Message-ID: <3D133309.19877.137077B@localhost>

Hello!

1. I just wanted to know if it is possible in mailman to subscribe to a list by 
clicking on a link in a message rather than by replying the message?

2. Do I need root access to install mailman on a Linux machine?
Thank you!




Zbigniew Szalbot
-------------------------------------------------
SGM International, Europe
Giving God's Word to the world's people
fax. +48 56 655 67 97
mobile +48 609 206 500
http://www.sgm.org/europe





From akimber at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 21 14:22:13 2002
From: akimber at btinternet.com (Andrew S.C. Kimberley)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:22:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, creating a mailing list
Message-ID: <004f01c2191e$461b4220$9b8727d9@bobafett>

Dear SIr/Madam,

I'm with Efficient hosting in the UK, who use Mailman to create mailing lists, etc.

I've looked through the FAQ's on your, and Efficient Hostings sites, but I'm finding it very confusing.

All I want to do is get an archive of e-mail addresses of people who wish to be on our mailing list, and be able -when I want- to send an e-mail to them all (which wouldn't display there e-mail addresses in the to: field).

I'm new to this side of web-site creation, and any help would be useful.

ManyThanks

 Andrew S.C. Kimberley
 BiG K Multimedia Design Ltd.
 Tel: +44 (0)1455 612110
 Fax: +44 (0)1455 612110
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From aaryn at email.Arizona.EDU  Fri Jun 21 19:21:10 2002
From: aaryn at email.Arizona.EDU (Aaryn D Olsson)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:21:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a list of 'nomail'-flagged subscribers
Message-ID: <200206211721.g5LHLAr03666@bast.u.arizona.edu>

Subject: getting a list of 'nomail'-flagged subscribers                        
                                                                               
We have users who have large lists, one has over a thousand users, and         
keeping track of all the dead email addresses can be tedious through the       
web interface.  Is there a command-line way of getting a list of all email     
addresses in a list that have 'nomail' flagged?                                
                                                                               
Aaryn  




From Jeff at HookedOnThe.Net  Fri Jun 21 23:31:52 2002
From: Jeff at HookedOnThe.Net (Jeff @ HookedOnThe.Net)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:31:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation for list administration needed
Message-ID: <008401c2196b$104d6d60$b7947cce@blarg.net>

I've been looking all over various web sites to find documentation on
the email commands supported by Mailman.  That is, how does one
subscribe/unsubscribe to a Mailman list via email?  What other
operations (e.g., switch to digest or nomail) can be affected via
email and what is the syntax?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Regards,
Jeff <Jeff at HookedOnThe.Net>  -  ICQ UIN:  736807
Web Hosting, Design, Support and Training -- 206-600-0251
http://www.HookedOnThe.Net






From psyche at spiralnature.com  Sat Jun 22 01:04:12 2002
From: psyche at spiralnature.com (Psyche)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:04:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error on your site
Message-ID: <3D13B0EC.5EBC8252@spiralnature.com>

Hullo,

Just thought I'd let you know of a little error on
your 'Mailman mailing list' page, located here:
http://www.list.org/lists.html

----

Mailman Checkins is an adjunct list to the publically 
accessible read-only CVS repository. This list is for 
the hardcore developers, or anybody else submitting 
patches, since we really prefer such patches to be 
generated against the latest snapshot. This is a read-
only list; only the core Mailman developers can post 
messages to this list. There is no archive. (archives)

----

You say there is no archive, then provide a dead link
to where the archives may be.

Just something you might want to fix.

--Psyche
Spiral Nature - http://www.spiralnature.com





From mail at freelock.com  Sat Jun 22 23:08:05 2002
From: mail at freelock.com (John Locke)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 14:08:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accessing commands from PHP
Message-ID: <4606.192.168.1.6.1024780085.squirrel@foraker.freelock.com>

Hello,

I'm doing some web application development using PHP/MySQL, and am looking
for a programmatic way of checking to see if a user is already subscribed
to a Mailman list.

I'm using a hosting company that has Mailman 2.1 installed in a Virtual
Hosting environment, and they pointed me to the list.org pages.

I'd like to use the find_member command, but am having trouble. I've
located it on the file system, and when I execute it using backticks, I
can get the help message, but I can't actually get any results when I run
it against a username.

Here's my command:

$output = `cd /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin; ls -l; ./find_member
--help; ./find_member mail at freelock.com`;	echo "<pre>$output</pre>";


.... and here's the output:
<begin quote>

total 144
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      6620 Jun 21 01:09 add_members
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      3838 Jun 21 01:09 arch
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      2462 Jun 21 01:09 check_db
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      8964 Jun 21 01:09 check_perms
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      7123 Jun 21 01:09 clone_member
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      8090 Jun 21 01:09 config_list
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      4474 Jun 21 01:09 digest_arch
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      1282 Jun 21 01:09 dumpdb
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      4915 Jun 21 01:09 find_member
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      2957 Jun 21 01:09 list_lists
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      3519 Jun 21 01:09 list_members
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      2386 Jun 21 01:09 mmsitepass
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      2440 Jun 21 01:09 move_list
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      6983 Jun 21 01:09 newlist
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      1552 Jun 21 01:09 paths.py
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       276 Jun 21 01:09 paths.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      3051 Jun 21 01:09 remove_members
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      2952 Jun 21 01:09 rmlist
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      8234 Jun 21 01:09 sync_members
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman     12809 Jun 21 01:09 update
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman       925 Jun 21 01:09 version
-rwxr-xr-x    1 mailman  mailman      6245 Jun 21 01:09 withlist
Find all lists that a member's address is on.

Usage:
    find_member [options] regex [regex [...]]

Where:
    --listname=listname
    -l listname
        Include only the named list in the search.

    --exclude=listname
    -x listname
        Exclude the named list from the search.

    --owners
    -w
        Search list owners as well as members.

    --help
    -h
        Print this help message and exit.

    regex
        A Python regular expression to match against.

The interaction between -l and -x is as follows.  If any -l option is given
then only the named list will be included in the search.  If any -x option is
given but no -l option is given, then all lists will be search except those
specifically excluded.

Regular expression syntax is Perl5-like, using the Python re module. 
Completespecifications are at:

http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-re.html

Address matches are case-insensitive, but case-preserved addresses are
displayed.

<end quote>



mail at freelock.com is subscribed to lists, but whatever I run, I get no
response (list_lists, list_members <listname>).

I'm sure the command is being run as the web server (nobody:nobody). I'm
guessing this is a permissions issue. What permissions do I need/how can I
get responses to these commands, in this environment?

Thanks,
John Locke
http://www.freelock.com








From saul at twenteenthcentury.com  Sun Jun 23 23:33:20 2002
From: saul at twenteenthcentury.com (saul)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:33:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing cgi-bin scripts after install
Message-ID: <20020623213444.INZS22320.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@there>

Hello,

I've just been trying to install mailman on a redhat linux (2.4.19-pre7) 
virtual server.

Everything seems to go ok, but I get the following error on make install:

----------- 

[mailman at twenteenth mailman]$ bin/check_perms 
Traceback (innermost last): 
File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ? 
checkmail() 
File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail 
mode = statmode(wrapper) 
File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode 
return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] 
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper' 

------------ 

I then make a directory at /home/mailman/mail/wrapper and chmod it as 
described in the install instructions . After doing this, running 
/bin/check_perms -f returns "no problems found".

Then, when I check my cgi-bin, it's empty, so of course, nothing works.

I've tried make clean / make install again using two different versions 
(2.0.11 and 2.0.8) and neither makes any difference, I get the same error on 
the first attempt, and still nothing in my cgi-bin.

I found a thread about this on this list archive

( http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-February/000411.html )

but the suggested solution is adding a line to mailman-2.0.8/src/common.h ... 
I checked common.h in version 2.0.11 and 2.0.8 and found the line already 
there.. so no joy there. 

Does anyone have any ideas?

Cheers,

Saul.




From camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il  Mon Jun 24 10:46:38 2002
From: camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il (camelia)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:46:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail from test list
References: <200206200352.g5K3qHs16795@qpbd999.quickpages.net.au>
Message-ID: <3D16DC6E.27F6D71@wicc.weizmann.ac.il>

I had this problem.
Check the gid for httpd and sendmail and run configure --with-gid
parameter.

Phillip Morgan wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Can you please help me with this one...
>
> I've just finsihed installing mailman 2.0.11 on my slackware linux
> system kernel 2.2.19, running sendmail 8.11.4, with Mailman installed
> in /usr/local/mailman.
>
> I created a test list as per the INSTALL doc, and went to web
> administration which appears to be working fine. Then when sending an
> email I get this response...
>
> >   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> >    (reason: 2)
> >    (expanded from: <test at qpbd999.quickpages.net.au>)
>
> >   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to
> >take 2?) 554 5.3.0 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> test"... .unknown mailer error 2
>
> Failure to exec script. Wanted GID 12 got 2?
>
> Err, when I added the group mailman to my /etc/group file, I used GID
> 25. This is the /etc/passwd and /etc/group entries...
>
> /etc/passwd
> mailman:x:1068:100:List Manager:/dev/null:
>
> /etc/group
> mailman::25:
>
> And here is the system log entry...
> Jun 20 13:06:02 qpbd999 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
>
> There are no errors in my web server logs.
>
> While I have you attention, I have a mailing list of many thousands of
> subscribers (I'm converting from mjaordomo to mailman). Can I expect
> any performance issues on a Pentium, 550 with 128mb RAM, running
> sendmail 8.11.4, apache 1.3.20?
>
> Also, I run several domains on this server, one of the main reasons for
> this installation is that it will be primarily used for one of those
> hosted domains, not so much for Quickpages. Where can I find doc re
> virtual domains for mailman?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Phill Morgan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From zmoelnig at iem.at  Mon Jun 24 21:18:42 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.at (IOhannes zmoelnig)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:18:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailaddresses with bad characters
Message-ID: <3D177092.6060708@iem.at>

hi list

running my mailman-list, i have come into following problem:
some user prefer extra-cool (aka stupid ??) email-addresses like
cool^man at coolplanet.com

i cannot subscribe these addresses (as administrator, i do not know, 
whether they can subscribe themselves -- but i am porting my lists to 
mailman so this is my task)

are there any possibilities to do so ??
or do i have to teach my users to avoid such names ?

mfg.d.sar
IOhannes





From jinz at a-techusa.com  Mon Jun 24 23:40:11 2002
From: jinz at a-techusa.com (Jin Zhang)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on Mailman feature
Message-ID: <005701c21bc7$b7c55540$30c9a8c0@srcw802>

Hi, is there any way to import multiple email addresses into a Mailman mailing list?  I have a list of email addresses in an Access database and want to know if I can import them in a batch instead of entering them one per line through web GUI.

Thanks a lot!
Jin
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From valerio at selnet.org  Mon Jun 24 22:59:26 2002
From: valerio at selnet.org (Valerio Bellizzomi)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:59:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Report - Mailman version 2.0.8 : Sender addresses not obfuscated.
Message-ID: <005b01c21bd6$812c2360$860c7b3e@cosmoranger>

I don't have sourceforge account so I'm posting here.

Mailman version 2.0.8
The sender email addresses are not being obfuscated properly in the archival
view.
This can cause harvesting of sender addresses.



valerio






From rbs at snippets.org  Tue Jun 25 06:51:02 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:51:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on Mailman feature
In-Reply-To: <005701c21bc7$b7c55540$30c9a8c0@srcw802>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206242350220.26516-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Jin Zhang wrote:

> Hi, is there any way to import multiple email addresses into a Mailman
> mailing list?  I have a list of email addresses in an Access database
> and want to know if I can import them in a batch instead of entering
> them one per line through web GUI.

Yes, go to "Membership Management", then cut and paste the list into the
form at the bottom of the page.

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From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Tue Jun 25 09:03:49 2002
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:03:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest mode bug in 2.1b2
References: <20020625032337.19790.73615.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3D1815D5.3E3C583F@musikelit.nu>

Mailman 2.1b2 allows subscribers to select digest delivery mode - even
if the list is set up not to deliver digests at all. What happens then
is that these subscribers do not get any mail at all. The admin is not
informed, but when the list of subscribers is browsed, he is informed
that "there are certain subscribers who will not receive any mail", but
not who these are, which means that he has to go through the entire
roster by hand to find them. In my case, a list of 2600 subscribers.

This has to be regarded as a severe bug.

Why is it possible to select digest mode at all for a list which doesn't
have digests enabled?

	/ Peter Bengtson




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Jun 25 11:06:33 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:06:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on Mailman feature
In-Reply-To: <005701c21bc7$b7c55540$30c9a8c0@srcw802>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020625090616.0305d220@pop.ftel.co.uk>

If you have command line access then export them from your access database 
to a text file, one mail address per line and use $prefix/bin/add_member, 
$prefix/bin/sync_members or $prefix/bin/remove_members. Use the -h command 
line option to get help for the script concerned.

At 16:40 24/06/2002 -0500, Jin Zhang wrote:
>Hi, is there any way to import multiple email addresses into a Mailman 
>mailing list?  I have a list of email addresses in an Access database and 
>want to know if I can import them in a batch instead of entering them one 
>per line through web GUI.
>
>Thanks a lot!
>Jin





From cprg at cprg.net  Tue Jun 25 12:28:19 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:28:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation for list administration needed
References: <008401c2196b$104d6d60$b7947cce@blarg.net>
Message-ID: <00b901c21c33$07163180$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

 
To receive List-Help: (Auto responder sends you a 
            complete list of commands.)
 <mailto:YOUR_LIST_NAME-request at YOUR_DOMAIN.EXT?subject=help> 
(substitute the name of the list in 
place of YOUR_LIST_NAME and
substitute the name of domain where your list 
resides in place of YOUR_DOMAIN.EXT. )
I.E.: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subect=help> 
will invoke an autoresponse from the mailman-users list.  
 
It's a good idea to include some links in your monthly 
membership reminder message, and, in the heading 
or footing of messages that go to your list, as well 
as, on your "list_information" page; which usually looks like:. 
<http://YOUR_DOMAIN.EXT/mailman/listinfo/YOUR_LIST_NAME> .... 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff @ HookedOnThe.Net" <Jeff at HookedOnThe.Net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:31 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation for list administration needed


| I've been looking all over various web sites to find documentation on
| the email commands supported by Mailman.  That is, how does one
| subscribe/unsubscribe to a Mailman list via email?  What other
| operations (e.g., switch to digest or nomail) can be affected via
| email and what is the syntax?
| 
| Thanks in advance for your help.
| 
| Regards,
| Jeff <Jeff at HookedOnThe.Net>  -  ICQ UIN:  736807
| Web Hosting, Design, Support and Training -- 206-600-0251
| http://www.HookedOnThe.Net
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From cprg at cprg.net  Tue Jun 25 13:51:15 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:51:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest mode bug in 2.1b2
References: <20020625032337.19790.73615.Mailman@mail.python.org> <3D1815D5.3E3C583F@musikelit.nu>
Message-ID: <00dd01c21c3e$9cac8fe0$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

Many admin settings and details are here: 
http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html 

For your specific question, this is not a bug, Mailman is not just
another out of the box, ready to go, software; there are many ways
to customize it, but you have failed complete your customization. 

Edit your list information pages to remove those links you do not
want YOUR subscribers to use: 
http://YOUR_SERVER/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 
which is accessable through your admin panel, contains "options" 
http://YOUR_SERVER/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST/options.html
remove or <!-- comment_out --> the digest button and mime/plaintext
options rows, and any other options you have disabled. 

You may wish to include a notice on list info page, and in footer or 
header informing subscribers that NO digest is available, although, 
some would question whether this is wise, it IS your list, to run the 
way you see fit. 

Although a few of your subscribers may send a help command to
the robot, and receive the command list, if you include the notice,
and they send a digest command anyway, then it's their fault for 
not reading your new custonized documentation. 

SD 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Bengtson" <peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:03 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest mode bug in 2.1b2


| Mailman 2.1b2 allows subscribers to select digest delivery mode - even
| if the list is set up not to deliver digests at all. What happens then
| is that these subscribers do not get any mail at all. The admin is not
| informed, but when the list of subscribers is browsed, he is informed
| that "there are certain subscribers who will not receive any mail", but
| not who these are, which means that he has to go through the entire
| roster by hand to find them. In my case, a list of 2600 subscribers.
| 
| This has to be regarded as a severe bug.
| 
| Why is it possible to select digest mode at all for a list which doesn't
| have digests enabled?
| 
| / Peter Bengtson
| 
| 

From mhenders at bigbird.exchange.lander.edu  Tue Jun 25 14:53:51 2002
From: mhenders at bigbird.exchange.lander.edu (Mike Henderson)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Sendmail...???
Message-ID: <7C7608EB962E86478154B956373C0F3624DC4C@bigbird.exchange.lander.edu>

I am having a problem possibly relating to Sendmail.  If someone sends a command via email to the Mailman server, they get the following reply:
            ------The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ------
            <HYPERLINK "mailto:#####-request at lists.lander.edu"#####-request at lists.lander.edu>
 
            ------ Transcript of session follows ------
            <HYPERLINK "mailto:#####-request at lists.lander.edu"#####-request at lists.lander.edu>? Deferred: Connection timed out with
            lists.lander.edu.
            Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
            Will keep trying until message is 3 days old.
 
Can anyone offer any help??????  You can reply by email at HYPERLINK "mailto:mhenders at lander.edu"mhenders at lander.edu.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Mike Henderson
Office of Computing Services
Lander University
 

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From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu  Tue Jun 25 16:34:20 2002
From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:34:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest mode bug in 2.1b2
Message-ID: <3D187F6B.DAD55FD9@musikelit.nu>

> For your specific question, this is not a bug, Mailman is not just
> another out of the box, ready to go, software; there are many ways
> to customize it, but you have failed complete your customization. 

I must say that your answer is a bit surprising. Mailman offers an
enormous wealth of features that are intended to ease the task of
customisation or make customisation unnecessary. I am aware of the HTML
templates and have modified them - yet, it is still possible to switch
on digest mode through e-mail commands. Moreover, the templates have to
be re-edited each time a new Mailman version appears.

> Although a few of your subscribers may send a help command to
> the robot, and receive the command list, if you include the notice,
> and they send a digest command anyway, then it's their fault for 
> not reading your new custonized documentation. 

Clearly, if it is possible to switch on a feature no matter what the
administrator selects in the configuration sections, and the feature
produces unwanted behaviour - in this case, the total suppression of all
mail, *without* the subscriber or the administrator ever getting to know
about it, then it is clearly and obviously a bug. Particularly as it is
completely impossible for the administrator to find out which subscriber
is affected, but has to go through each and every one. 

Mailman is fantastic, and superior to all other mailing list software
I've seen - I love it to bits - but in this respect it falls down
miserably. Please: trying to pass this obvious bug off as an
uncustomised list configuration issue is a bit ... well, you know.
Especially since configuring the HTML pages (safety by obscurity) still
allows the user to select digest mode by e-mail.

As a software engineer I know that chanches are about 95% that this bug
is easy to fix. 

	/ Peter Bengtson




From thommen at inf.ethz.ch  Tue Jun 25 17:28:56 2002
From: thommen at inf.ethz.ch (Frank Thommen)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:28:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] An other whish for umbrella lists
Message-ID: <1025018936.3d188c386b81d@www_mail.inf.ethz.ch>

Hi,

My problem with umbrella lists - besides those mentioned in previous postings -
is, that all prefixes of the chained lists are prepended to the mail subject. 
Normally our umbrella lists are lists composed of lists which are used by
themselves, too.  Every list (also the umbrella list) has it's own prefix.

Sending to the umbrella lists gives me subjects like:

  "Subject: [umbrella][sublistN] some topic".

Instead, I want

  "Subject: [umbrella] some topic"  for all postings to the umbrella list

and

  "Subject: [sublistN] some other topic" for posting to the specific sublists.


I.e.: Mailman should suppress printing of the list prefix if the mail comes from
some other (local!) list or from a defined list senders (similar to the
acceptable_aliases setting).


frank


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From courtney at 4th.com  Tue Jun 25 18:10:43 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:10:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Sendmail...???
In-Reply-To: <7C7608EB962E86478154B956373C0F3624DC4C@bigbird.exchange.lander.edu>
References: <7C7608EB962E86478154B956373C0F3624DC4C@bigbird.exchange.lander.edu>
Message-ID: <200206251210.43748.courtney@4th.com>

On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:53 am, Mike Henderson wrote:
> I am having a problem possibly relating to Sendmail.  If someone sends a
> command via email to the Mailman server, they get the following reply:
> ------The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ------
> <HYPERLINK
> "mailto:#####-request at lists.lander.edu"#####-request at lists.lander.edu>
>

It looks as if the syntax of the address is munged. You need something
like this:

   "####-request at lists.lander.edu" <####-request at lists.lander.edu>

if you are typing the address directly into an e-mail client. Actually,
it is much easier in that case to just use:

  ####-request at lists.lander.edu

since the stuff inside the quotes is just commentary and in this case
duplicates the address anyway. If you leave off the quoted "friendly" version
of an address, then you don't need the "<>" delimiters around the canonical
address. Normally the quoted version would be something like this:

  "John Q. Public" <jpublic at example.com>

Where are the users obtaining the address? If it's linked from a web page
where you announce the list, then the HTML needs to look like this:

<p>You can <a href="mailto:####-request at lists.lander.edu">subscribe to
my list</a> if you want to.</a>

The "<>" delimiters in HTML and the same delimiters in the email address serve
entirely different purposes and are not intermingled in mailto links of HTML.
Use only the canonical address there, and put whatever friendly stuff you want
between <a href="....."> and </a> tags, as I have put "subscribe to my list"
in this example.

Scott

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From rbs at snippets.org  Tue Jun 25 20:24:33 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:24:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backups
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206251320160.7738-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

I recently had to rebuild a mailing list from scratch when I neglected to
resize some virtual storage prior to trying to import 6 year's worth of
old archives. I was able to salvage a little under 90% of the existing
subscriptions and the archives are still there although I'm going to have
to use arch to reindex them.

Before I try anything like this again, I need to know which files in which
directories I must back up in order to make a complete recovery should
trouble arise. My server is colocated and I'm not paying for full backup
services, so I need to be selective about this.

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From lj at 2u2.nu  Tue Jun 25 21:45:00 2002
From: lj at 2u2.nu (L. Jankok)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:45:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange problem qmailldap + mailman
Message-ID: <20020625194500.GA11993@speed.2u2.nu>

Hi There,

I have setup qmailldap with mailman using the alias mechanism
and compiling mailman with the gid of user alias.
mails to mailman and mailman-owner will arrive without a problem.
subscribing to a list goes halfway good, the subscriber will receive
an email to confirm the subscription but the confirmation will never
happen. the funny part of this is that I don't get any error messages
like wrong guid, relaying denied, or wrong command etc.
I am stuck now.... 

these are my .qmail files for the list test

/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-test
::::::::::::::
|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test
::::::::::::::
/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-test-admin
::::::::::::::
|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
::::::::::::::
/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-test-owner
::::::::::::::
|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
::::::::::::::
/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-test-request
::::::::::::::
|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test

these are the log files for mailman

/var/mailman/logs/error
::::::::::::::
::::::::::::::
/var/mailman/logs/smtp
::::::::::::::
Jun 23 22:17:57 2002 (7068) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.443 seconds
Jun 23 22:20:21 2002 (7075) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.182 seconds
Jun 23 22:30:41 2002 (7145) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.180 seconds
Jun 23 22:39:00 2002 (7205) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.177 seconds
Jun 24 10:11:58 2002 (7710) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.673 seconds
Jun 24 22:54:43 2002 (8866) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.517 seconds
Jun 24 23:05:13 2002 (9077) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.243 seconds
Jun 25 13:33:53 2002 (9796) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.589 seconds
Jun 25 13:37:09 2002 (9822) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.288 seconds
Jun 25 13:41:48 2002 (9891) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.218 seconds
Jun 25 13:48:50 2002 (9966) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.420 seconds
Jun 25 16:11:09 2002 (10525) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.295 seconds
Jun 25 20:53:52 2002 (11614) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 3.772 seconds
::::::::::::::
/var/mailman/logs/subscribe
::::::::::::::
Jun 24 22:54:43 2002 (8866) test: pending ljankok at tis.xs4all.nl  10.27.19.11
Jun 24 23:05:13 2002 (9077) matuti: pending ljankok at tis.xs4all.nl  10.27.19.11
Jun 25 20:53:52 2002 (11614) test: pending lj at 2u2.nu  10.27.19.11

this is my tcp.smtp file

127.0.0.1:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
10.27.19.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="",DENYMAIL="NOBOUNCE"
:allow,DENYMAIL="NOBOUNCE"

In my mail.log file I doesn't see any error like relaying denied either

here is a piece of the mail.log file

Jun 25 21:40:44 speed.2u2.nu qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 1025034044.736269 info msg 39436: bytes 856 from <lj at 2u2.nu> qp 11979 uid 82
Jun 25 21:40:44 speed.2u2.nu qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 1025034044.736802 starting delivery 166: msg 39436 to local test-request at speed.2u2.nu
Jun 25 21:40:44 speed.2u2.nu qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 1025034044.737318 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
Jun 25 21:40:45 speed.2u2.nu imapd-ssl: [ID 702911 mail.info] Connection, ip=[10.27.19.11]
Jun 25 21:40:45 speed.2u2.nu imapd-ssl: [ID 702911 mail.info] LOGIN, user=ljankok at 2u2.nu, ip=[10.27.19.11]
Jun 25 21:40:45 speed.2u2.nu imapd-ssl: [ID 702911 mail.info] LOGOUT, user=ljankok at 2u2.nu, ip=[10.27.19.11], headers=0, body=0
Jun 25 21:40:45 speed.2u2.nu qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 1025034045.839280 delivery 166: success: did_0+0+1/
Jun 25 21:40:45 speed.2u2.nu qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 1025034045.840523 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
Jun 25 21:40:45 speed.2u2.nu qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 1025034045.841298 end msg 39436




From gour at mail.inet.hr  Tue Jun 25 22:14:32 2002
From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:14:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper
In-Reply-To: <B92BB05E.DE44%tracy@snellfamily.com>; from tracy@snellfamily.com on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 01:49:18PM -0400
References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0206111933590.12106-100000@gaura.nitai.hr> <B92BB05E.DE44%tracy@snellfamily.com>
Message-ID: <20020625221432.A1266@inet.hr>

On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 01:49:18PM -0400, Tracy Snell wrote:
> Just needed to install the cron jobs. Didn't realize they were needed for
> delivery. All is well now. Running virtual domains, it all is working as
> advertised.

What do you mean?

I executed: crontab crontab.in and when I check crons with: crontab -l,
it shows that cron jobs from crontab.in are active, but still - no delivery.

Is there something else what I am missing?

Sincerely,
Gour

ps. Sorry for late reply. I was replacing sendmail with qmail and migrating
from Pine to Mutt, so I needed some time to complete the transition :-)




From keet at plig.net  Wed Jun 26 00:04:45 2002
From: keet at plig.net (Christiaan Keet)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:04:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
Message-ID: <20020625230445.A91008@riffraff.plig.net>

I'm convinced this has to be an FAQ, but I can't find it so here
goes:

What's the best way to go about customizing the "main" Mailman pages
(the stuff you see when you go to www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/
and .../admin/)?

- Christiaan




From mabbassi at keyspanenergy.com  Wed Jun 26 00:19:14 2002
From: mabbassi at keyspanenergy.com (MOUHSSINE ABBASSI)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:19:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist
Message-ID: <3D18EC62.129083D8@keyspanenergy.com>

    Hi,

            I am trying to create a new list on my Mailman server and I
am getting a "command not found" when I try to execute the "newlist"
command. This is the command I put in:

            $ mailman-2.0.10/bin> newlist

I am not sure if this is a rights issue on the Mailman files. I was
logged in as root when I tried to run this command.

Thank you
M.





From rbs at snippets.org  Wed Jun 26 00:24:56 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:24:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist
In-Reply-To: <3D18EC62.129083D8@keyspanenergy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206251723050.11729-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, MOUHSSINE ABBASSI wrote:

> I am trying to create a new list on my Mailman server and I am getting a
> "command not found" when I try to execute the "newlist" command. This is
> the command I put in:
>
>             $ mailman-2.0.10/bin> newlist
>
> I am not sure if this is a rights issue on the Mailman files. I was
> logged in as root when I tried to run this command.

Although this will almost always work under DOS/Windows, it won't work
under Linux unless "." is explicitly in your path. Try instead...

             $ mailman-2.0.10/bin> ./newlist

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From jim at llens.net  Wed Jun 26 01:24:34 2002
From: jim at llens.net (Jim Allen)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:24:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors in POST log
Message-ID: <005001c21c9f$77ddd640$7b90a8c0@mshome.net>

Greetings,

I am VERY new to mailman...

When I do test posts (via web interface or from client remotely), the
following errors appear in the /var/log/mailman/post logs.
No messages are ever received by the members of the group.
Members are valid email addresses.
Redhat 7.3
Sendmail 8.11.6
Mailman 2.0.11
Any ideas?


Jun 25 18:16:01 2002 (7912) post to smokiers from jim at llens.net, size=154, 6
failures
Jun 25 18:16:01 2002 (7912) post to smokiers from jima at mailman.teamnet.net,
size=545, 6 failures
Jun 25 18:16:01 2002 (7912) post to smokiers from jim at llens.net, size=165, 6
failures






From duiker at haggis.nl  Wed Jun 26 01:14:17 2002
From: duiker at haggis.nl (Colin J. Raven)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:14:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on a virtual site
Message-ID: <FHELKBLDLCMPPJDOEMDOCEKEECAA.duiker@haggis.nl>

Greetings all!
Small (but vital) question:

Can mailman be installed on a virtual site (tenant on a server) by the
**site** admin?
Further info:

Cobalt RAQ<x> with [up to] 250 sites on the machine, my customer has one
of these sites and naturally doesn't have root on the box, just
/home/sites/site<whatever> admin privileges.

Customer's needs are relatively trivial: less than 100 users,
anticipated traffic about 300 emails in total (posts/responses) per day.
No predicted memory/CPU issues.

This question relates only to privileges, install issues, et al and/or
whether the customer must contact the machine owner to get Mailman
installed as root (which is definitely NOT an option)
Regards & TIA,
-Colin
--
Colin J. Raven





From cprg at cprg.net  Wed Jun 26 05:39:18 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:39:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
References: <20020625230445.A91008@riffraff.plig.net>
Message-ID: <0a9c01c21cc3$0f2cf440$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>


Save the default page(s) to your computer, and edit  the
html  'till your heart is content, then copy and paste this
revised html into the corresponding text box for the page
you customized.. The admin page itself is not editable 
through these links, but head and foot, etc. are and
there are 4 editable pages here: 
http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 

SD 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christiaan Keet" <keet at plig.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages


| I'm convinced this has to be an FAQ, but I can't find it so here
| goes:
| 
| What's the best way to go about customizing the "main" Mailman pages
| (the stuff you see when you go to www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/
| and .../admin/)?
| 
| - Christiaan
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users mailing list
| Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
| 
| 

From rbs at snippets.org  Wed Jun 26 05:43:55 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:43:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's .db files
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206252242430.15991-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

We don't recognize the format of these. Other than dump_db, are there any
tools for working directly on these in case they need repair?

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From eppinette at ulm.edu  Wed Jun 26 07:08:52 2002
From: eppinette at ulm.edu (Chance Eppinette)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:08:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] possibly compilation problem
Message-ID: <000301c21ccf$90cce3f0$62001e0a@spock>

Hello,
I'm trying to install mailman 2.0.11 on a Solaris 8 system.
I"ve installed python 2.1.1 as a precompiled package from
SunFreeWare.com
 
I get the following error messages during the Configure process.
However, the make install procedure seems to run without any complaints,
but in the end none of the binary scripts will work.
 
.
checking for CGI extensions... no
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "conftest.py", line 2, in ?
    from socket import *
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/socket.py", line 41, in ?
    from _socket import *
ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.6:
open failed: No such file or directory
checking for default fully qualified host name... conftest.out: No such
file or directory
 
checking for default URL host component... tail: cannot open input
 
checking for strerror... (cached) yes
.
 
 
 
Any suggestions are appreciated.
 
Chance Eppinette
University of Louisiana at Monroe
Eppinette at ulm.edu
318-342-5021
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From subhasis at iopb.res.in  Wed Jun 26 09:47:48 2002
From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:17:48 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] name with the email address.
In-Reply-To: <20020626051001.5682.54844.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206261314050.17357-100000@gargi.ac.iopb.res.in>

Hi to all,

How can I add name for each mail address.

ie,

my mail id is subhasis at iopb.res.in  and I want to my name should appear in
the mailing list ( in the mailman mailing list in my institute).

Thanks in advance.

-- 
With Best Regards,
Subhasis Mahapatra





From courtney at 4th.com  Wed Jun 26 14:35:32 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:35:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on a virtual site
In-Reply-To: <FHELKBLDLCMPPJDOEMDOCEKEECAA.duiker@haggis.nl>
References: <FHELKBLDLCMPPJDOEMDOCEKEECAA.duiker@haggis.nl>
Message-ID: <200206260835.32996.courtney@4th.com>

On Tuesday 25 June 2002 07:14 pm, Colin J. Raven wrote:
> Greetings all!
> Small (but vital) question:
>
> Can mailman be installed on a virtual site (tenant on a server) by the
> **site** admin?
> Further info:
>

Yes. The only "root" prerequisite is that the customer's virtual mail domain
must all be routed to that customer's Linux login. This amounts to an entry
in /etc/mail/virtusertable like this:

      @customerdomain.com	local:customerlogin

The customer then uses Procmail recipes to handle all the mail, including
regular mail to the account itself, and the Mailman installation is totally
local within the home directory of the customer.

I'm running this in production on my server, for almost a month with no
trouble. I'm currently writing a HOWTO to explain the procedure; this should
be done in the next day or two and will be announced on the list.

My solution applies to Mailman 2.1b2 and later; I have not tested it with
the earlier versions.

(BTW, the delay in the HOWTO has resulted from my having to learn something
about DocBook in order to write it...the writing isn't the hard part!)

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From keet at plig.net  Wed Jun 26 14:37:14 2002
From: keet at plig.net (Christiaan Keet)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:37:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
In-Reply-To: <0a9c01c21cc3$0f2cf440$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>; from cprg@cprg.net on Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 11:39:18PM -0400
References: <20020625230445.A91008@riffraff.plig.net> <0a9c01c21cc3$0f2cf440$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20020626133714.A80419@riffraff.plig.net>

That's fine for customizing the per-list pages, I knew that.

My question was: how do you change the page you see when you go to
www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_NOT_ a list-specific page) ?

- Christiaan


On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 11:39:18PM -0400, Support Desk wrote:
> 
> Save the default page(s) to your computer, and edit  the
> html  'till your heart is content, then copy and paste this
> revised html into the corresponding text box for the page
> you customized.. The admin page itself is not editable 
> through these links, but head and foot, etc. are and
> there are 4 editable pages here: 
> http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 
> 
> SD 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christiaan Keet" <keet at plig.net>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:04 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
> 
> 
> | I'm convinced this has to be an FAQ, but I can't find it so here
> | goes:
> | 
> | What's the best way to go about customizing the "main" Mailman pages
> | (the stuff you see when you go to www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/
> | and .../admin/)?
> | 
> | - Christiaan




From courtney at 4th.com  Wed Jun 26 14:43:45 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:43:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper
In-Reply-To: <20020625221432.A1266@inet.hr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0206111933590.12106-100000@gaura.nitai.hr> <B92BB05E.DE44%tracy@snellfamily.com> <20020625221432.A1266@inet.hr>
Message-ID: <200206260843.45452.courtney@4th.com>

On Tuesday 25 June 2002 04:14 pm, Gour wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 01:49:18PM -0400, Tracy Snell wrote:
> > Just needed to install the cron jobs. Didn't realize they were needed for
> > delivery. All is well now. Running virtual domains, it all is working as
> > advertised.
>
> What do you mean?
>
> I executed: crontab crontab.in and when I check crons with: crontab -l,
> it shows that cron jobs from crontab.in are active, but still - no
> delivery.
>
> Is there something else what I am missing?

Good morning! The crontab.in file probably does not contain the qrunner line.
I think the developers intend to have that running standalone as a daemon, but
on my installation that consumed excessive CPU even if the delay constants
were nonzero. So I'm running with the following line in my crontab:

* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /(path)/bin/qrunner -o -r All >> (logfile) 2>&1

Salient details:

"* * * * *" means run once per minute.
"(path)" should be replaced with the path to Mailman's install directory
"(logfile)" should be replaced with a logfile name of your choice.
And of course, drop the parentheses.

NOTA BENE: Check the accuracy of the "-o" and "-r All" parameters by running it
manually before putting in your crontab. I'm using Mailman 2.1b2 and am not 100%
sure the params haven't changed. But the fundamental point -- that you won't get
delivery unless the qrunner is active -- still stands.

If you run this in the root crontab (not advised, but possible) you'll need an
extra parameter near the beginning of the line for the userid owning the
process.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From courtney at 4th.com  Wed Jun 26 14:46:57 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:46:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Python newbie having trouble with "withlist"
Message-ID: <200206260846.57428.courtney@4th.com>

Good morning.

Dumb question: How does one set the sys.path value for Python modules to find
their include files? I'm trying to use "withlist" and am testing with the
example module from the FAQ. The docs mention that another module has to be
"in your sys.path" but they don't tell you how that happens. I would like to
have my own primitive Python code *not* be intermingled with the installation
directory, so that it's easier for me to upgrade and maintain Mailman itself.

I am sure the answer to this is simple and I will feel stupid, but I'm not
spotting it in the documentation.

Thanks for any help.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)





From cprg at cprg.net  Wed Jun 26 15:40:01 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:40:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
References: <20020625230445.A91008@riffraff.plig.net> <0a9c01c21cc3$0f2cf440$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net> <20020626133714.A80419@riffraff.plig.net>
Message-ID: <0be001c21d16$fa92b5c0$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>


http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/istinfo.html 
IS a list specific page.... (DUH!)

It IS the "main" page! (DUH!)

It is called the "General list information page" ... (DUH!) 

It is FULLY customizable! You don't like the pretty blue
and beige color scheme? Change it! You don't like the
Python Goat? Delete it! (DUH!) 

You customize it for your own list through admin at: 
http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 
http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST/listinfo.html 
You type in or copy & paste your code in the box, and save it;
this changes the look of the page, if you want the page
to follow the look and feel of your site, if you want to add
a background, other links, buttons, scripts, add banners, 
change colors, add a pic of your girl friend, or whatever! 
you do that here!  
Note that any tag <MM-etc> is a Mailman tag, and you
may or may not wish to leave specific tags there. Just use
caution, maintain chronological backups of your changes
in case you screw anything up.. 

Do I need to give you a guided tour? 
Now go to your list admin
and L@@K on the right side, you see:
"Other Administrative Activities" under there is a link:
"Edit the HTML for the public list pages " Click it! Then click this link: 
"General list information page " Now, edit anything your little
heart desires! Then click [ Submit Changes ] .... 

Do you understand what I'm sayin'? 

Now, I need a drink... No charge for the guided tour.. ;-) 
SD


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christiaan Keet" <keet at plig.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages


| 
| That's fine for customizing the per-list pages, I knew that.
| 
| My question was: how do you change the page you see when you go to
| www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_NOT_ a list-specific page) ?
| 
| - Christiaan
| 
| 
| On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 11:39:18PM -0400, Support Desk wrote:
| > 
| > Save the default page(s) to your computer, and edit  the
| > html  'till your heart is content, then copy and paste this
| > revised html into the corresponding text box for the page
| > you customized.. The admin page itself is not editable 
| > through these links, but head and foot, etc. are and
| > there are 4 editable pages here: 
| > http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 
| > 
| > SD 
| > 
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "Christiaan Keet" <keet at plig.net>
| > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
| > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:04 PM
| > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
| > 
| > 
| > | I'm convinced this has to be an FAQ, but I can't find it so here
| > | goes:
| > | 
| > | What's the best way to go about customizing the "main" Mailman pages
| > | (the stuff you see when you go to www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/
| > | and .../admin/)?
| > | 
| > | - Christiaan
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users mailing list
| Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
| 
| 

From twitch at nervestaple.com  Wed Jun 26 15:49:37 2002
From: twitch at nervestaple.com (Christopher Miles)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:49:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives don't seem to be working right...
Message-ID: <B93F3EB1.4043%twitch@nervestaple.com>

Hello,

I?m having a problem with the archives for my lists. They appear to be
archiving okay, but you can?t see them from the web page. It offers to let
you download the raw archive, which is growing, but it claims that there are
no archives.

Does anybody know where I went wrong?

Thank You,
-- Miles

---- snippety-snip

The TestList Archives

You can get more information about this list or you can download the full
raw archive ( 108 KB ).

Currently, there are no archives.

---- snip-snippety





From peter at vibert.ca  Wed Jun 26 17:12:41 2002
From: peter at vibert.ca (Peter Vibert)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and newsgroup question
Message-ID: <20020626111241.07048f9c.peter@vibert.ca>

Hi,

Mailman has an option to read/post to a newsgroup, and I was interested in
how I can make 
this work. I have a Slackware 7.0 system with Mailman 2.0.9 and INN. 
How do I do this? As in, make the newsgroup, and make it be an only local
news server.
Also, is it possible to authenticate to the newsgroup with a username and
password?
One last thing, does Mailman have any multiple administrator support?

Thanks very much,
Peter Vibert




From o-zone at tdsiena.it  Wed Jun 26 17:37:56 2002
From: o-zone at tdsiena.it (O-Zone)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:37:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi, Italian MailMan Translation ?
Message-ID: <200206261737.56131.o-zone@tdsiena.it>

Hi all,
i've aquestion. Where i can found an italia translation of MailMan ? Tnx !

O-Zone

-- 
----
O-Zone - TDSiena System Administrator 
Home @ www.zerozone.it







From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Wed Jun 26 18:17:14 2002
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong permissions on archive links in mailman/archives/public
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10206260913360.26850-100000@library.berkeley.edu>

Hi -

	I'm using Mailman 2.1b on DEC OSF/1 4.0f. Archive links in public
are being created 

	mailman mailman lrwx______

which does not work because my httpd runs as 'nobody', which was correctly
specified in the configuration. 

	Where can I look to generate the links correctly?


Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley 





From Timm at ecr.gov  Wed Jun 26 21:28:55 2002
From: Timm at ecr.gov (Tim Mektrakarn)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:28:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
Message-ID: <C16FE7D805B86F4CB4AAA6F0136F5C220898F3@nt4.institute.ecr.gov>

NO! the question is how do you edit the MAIN listserv page where the lists are populated not the main page of a specific list. 

for example
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

THAT PAGE

not 

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/c++-sig

i think we all know how to edit a page like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Support Desk [mailto:cprg at cprg.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:40 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages



http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/istinfo.html 
IS a list specific page.... (DUH!)

It IS the "main" page! (DUH!)

It is called the "General list information page" ... (DUH!) 

It is FULLY customizable! You don't like the pretty blue
and beige color scheme? Change it! You don't like the
Python Goat? Delete it! (DUH!) 

You customize it for your own list through admin at: 
http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 
http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST/listinfo.html 
You type in or copy & paste your code in the box, and save it;
this changes the look of the page, if you want the page
to follow the look and feel of your site, if you want to add
a background, other links, buttons, scripts, add banners, 
change colors, add a pic of your girl friend, or whatever! 
you do that here!  
Note that any tag <MM-etc> is a Mailman tag, and you
may or may not wish to leave specific tags there. Just use
caution, maintain chronological backups of your changes
in case you screw anything up.. 

Do I need to give you a guided tour? 
Now go to your list admin
and L@@K on the right side, you see:
"Other Administrative Activities" under there is a link:
"Edit the HTML for the public list pages " Click it! Then click this link: 
"General list information page " Now, edit anything your little
heart desires! Then click [ Submit Changes ] .... 

Do you understand what I'm sayin'? 

Now, I need a drink... No charge for the guided tour.. ;-) 
SD


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christiaan Keet" <keet at plig.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages


| 
| That's fine for customizing the per-list pages, I knew that.
| 
| My question was: how do you change the page you see when you go to
| www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_NOT_ a list-specific page) ?
| 
| - Christiaan
| 
| 
| On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 11:39:18PM -0400, Support Desk wrote:
| > 
| > Save the default page(s) to your computer, and edit  the
| > html  'till your heart is content, then copy and paste this
| > revised html into the corresponding text box for the page
| > you customized.. The admin page itself is not editable 
| > through these links, but head and foot, etc. are and
| > there are 4 editable pages here: 
| > http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 
| > 
| > SD 
| > 
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "Christiaan Keet" <keet at plig.net>
| > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
| > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:04 PM
| > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
| > 
| > 
| > | I'm convinced this has to be an FAQ, but I can't find it so here
| > | goes:
| > | 
| > | What's the best way to go about customizing the "main" Mailman pages
| > | (the stuff you see when you go to www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/
| > | and .../admin/)?
| > | 
| > | - Christiaan
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users mailing list
| Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
| 
| 1?(tm)???(tm)?SxS?j)juz???zS????SZ???(tm)?(tm)?-+Sw?f-f????-f????+?zf??????i




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Jun 26 07:41:08 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:41:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nested lists
In-Reply-To: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIKEPLCDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>
References: <NDBBIPDEKLIGOHOKIMPIKEPLCDAA.larry@guestfamily.com>
Message-ID: <20020626054108.GD22551@merlins.org>

On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 01:55:08PM -0700, Larry Guest wrote:
> I will be setting up mailman using lists to send mail to lists.  I only want
> lists members to be able to post.  So mailman needs to look down the chain
> of lists and make sure that the right people can posts to the list.  It must
> be able to do this but I am not 100% sure what to change in the config so it
> works. As an example "user1" needs to post to the "corp-eng" department for
> which he is a member in the "corp-eng-ca" office.  The post needs to hit
> everyone in the "corp-eng" lists.  The architecture will look like this.

You can't really do this.
Your best workaround is to dump the list membership of all sublists, and
subscribe all the members to the main list (do it with cron)
In that scenario, the mail would not trickle down to the sublists, it would
go to the users directly

Marc
-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Jun 26 07:37:33 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:37:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing large archives ... design limit hit, and possible bug
In-Reply-To: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com>
References: <200206012135.38125.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <20020626053733.GC22551@merlins.org>

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 09:35:38PM -0400, Scott Courtney wrote:
> Hi, folks
> 
> I think I have found a bug in bin/arch, but I imagine someone has found it
> before. Also, I have run into an architectural limit and would like to
> change a constant to fix it, if possible.
 
As you found out, there are some issues with bin/arch
 
> This works, though it is cumbersome and slow.
> 
> I'm not a Python guru but do  know C. I'm running on a machine with *lots*
> of RAM. Can someone point me to which module  I need to edit so that I can
> increase the  constant for an  array size  somewhere such that  this thing
> will handle more than 80 messages? I figure  if I know where to look I can
> puzzle out the code enough to make  a simple change like that. But it will
> take days to find it in code of an unfamiliar language with many modules.

It's not a constant, but arch has issues in some cases with some messages.
I haven't run it recently on a full mailbox, but it does chew a *lot* of
ram, and at least used to die on some messages.

> I'll make this proposal: Someone point me in the right direction to solve
> this thing. When I've got it working, I'll write an entry to submit for the
> FAQ to document this for the next person, as a way of contributing to the
> Mailman user community.
 
Unfortunately, I haven't played with that code, and few people have. It's
there, but it's pretty much unmaintained.
 
> I did some investigation and have found that the problem occurs when a normal
> text line in the body of a message happens to begin with the string "From ".
> It appears bin/arch is not being very smart about recognizing the beginning
> of a new message. I think what is needed is to add a more detailed parsing
> regexp to the code that determines where one message ends and another begins.
 
That's true. You should probably run ~mailman/bin/cleanarch on the mailbox
first. I'm not sure why that functionality isn't rolled inside arch

BTW, I'm talking about mailman 2.1b2.
Mailman 2.0  is another can  of worms, and arch  will probably not  be fixed
further.
 
Marc
-- 
"A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R.
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key




From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Wed Jun 26 07:43:55 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:43:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Main
In-Reply-To: <E2D6A4DD728ED5119F3300B0D0D143BB1F345A@ABCOSERVER>
References: <E2D6A4DD728ED5119F3300B0D0D143BB1F345A@ABCOSERVER>
Message-ID: <20020626054355.GF22551@merlins.org>

On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 09:26:41AM -0600, Ryan Schouten - ABCOffice wrote:
> Does your software handle bounce backs?

mailman 2.0: somewhat
mailman 2.1b2: yes, if you enable VERP

In both cases, however, it won't work as well as Ezmlm

Marc
-- 
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Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking 
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From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Wed Jun 26 22:28:14 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:28:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
In-Reply-To: <C16FE7D805B86F4CB4AAA6F0136F5C220898F3@nt4.institute.ecr.g
 ov>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626132623.00a30240@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 12:28 PM 6/26/02, Tim Mektrakarn wrote:
>NO! the question is how do you edit the MAIN listserv page where the lists are populated not the main page of a specific list. 
>
>for example
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo
>
>THAT PAGE
>
>not 
>
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/c++-sig
>
>i think we all know how to edit a page like that.

Edit Cgi/listinfo.py.

- Bob





From mabbassi at keyspanenergy.com  Wed Jun 26 23:17:34 2002
From: mabbassi at keyspanenergy.com (MOUHSSINE ABBASSI)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:17:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list
Message-ID: <3D1A2F6E.59CDE41F@keyspanenergy.com>

    Hi,
            I setup a mailing list on Mailman and I am able to access
its configuration from the web interface. The problem is when I send
email to this list no one of the list members receive any posted
messages.
I am running Mailman on Red Hat Linux and Sendmail is working fine with
another Mailing List software. I am not really sure what is wrong.

        When I post a message to the list I don't get any error messages
and the message is not delivered to the list.

Thank you

M.





From cprg at cprg.net  Thu Jun 27 01:20:16 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:20:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
References: <C16FE7D805B86F4CB4AAA6F0136F5C220898F3@nt4.institute.ecr.gov>
Message-ID: <004e01c21d68$097bae60$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>


Yeah, yeah, the python script in cgi/listinfo.py can be edited
to customize the listinfo page. OK? Don't recall anyone EVER
wanting to customize THAT PAGE, OK? You are on your
own, no tour available... Have fun! 
SD 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Mektrakarn" 
To: "Support Desk" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages


NO! the question is how do you edit the MAIN listserv page where the lists are populated not the main page of a specific list. 

for example
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

THAT PAGE

not 

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/c++-sig

i think we all know how to edit a page like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Support Desk [mailto:cprg at cprg.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:40 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages



http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/istinfo.html 
IS a list specific page.... (DUH!)

It IS the "main" page! (DUH!)

It is called the "General list information page" ... (DUH!) 

It is FULLY customizable! You don't like the pretty blue
and beige color scheme? Change it! You don't like the
Python Goat? Delete it! (DUH!) 

You customize it for your own list through admin at: 
http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 
http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST/listinfo.html 
You type in or copy & paste your code in the box, and save it;
this changes the look of the page, if you want the page
to follow the look and feel of your site, if you want to add
a background, other links, buttons, scripts, add banners, 
change colors, add a pic of your girl friend, or whatever! 
you do that here!  
Note that any tag <MM-etc> is a Mailman tag, and you
may or may not wish to leave specific tags there. Just use
caution, maintain chronological backups of your changes
in case you screw anything up.. 

Do I need to give you a guided tour? 
Now go to your list admin
and L@@K on the right side, you see:
"Other Administrative Activities" under there is a link:
"Edit the HTML for the public list pages " Click it! Then click this link: 
"General list information page " Now, edit anything your little
heart desires! Then click [ Submit Changes ] .... 

Do you understand what I'm sayin'? 

Now, I need a drink... No charge for the guided tour.. ;-) 
SD


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christiaan Keet" <keet at plig.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages


| 
| That's fine for customizing the per-list pages, I knew that.
| 
| My question was: how do you change the page you see when you go to
| www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_NOT_ a list-specific page) ?
| 
| - Christiaan
| 
| 
| On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 11:39:18PM -0400, Support Desk wrote:
| > 
| > Save the default page(s) to your computer, and edit  the
| > html  'till your heart is content, then copy and paste this
| > revised html into the corresponding text box for the page
| > you customized.. The admin page itself is not editable 
| > through these links, but head and foot, etc. are and
| > there are 4 editable pages here: 
| > http://YOUR_DOMAIN/mailman/edithtml/YOUR_LIST 
| > 
| > SD 
| > 
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "Christiaan Keet" <keet at plig.net>
| > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
| > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:04 PM
| > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization of "main" Mailman pages
| > 
| > 
| > | I'm convinced this has to be an FAQ, but I can't find it so here
| > | goes:
| > | 
| > | What's the best way to go about customizing the "main" Mailman pages
| > | (the stuff you see when you go to www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/
| > | and .../admin/)?
| > | 
| > | - Christiaan
| 
| 
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users mailing list
| Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
| 

From dreamboy at aros.net  Thu Jun 27 01:53:08 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:53:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.11 Problem
Message-ID: <200206261753.08579.dreamboy@aros.net>

Dear Mailman,

I have a user who is complaining that whenever they click on one of the 
mailman admin pages it sometimes displays a screen saying "We're sorry,
we hit a bug!". If he clicks on Refresh at times the page will load, then 
other times it gives him the "We're sorry, we hit a bug!" screen. 
I also noticed that in the /home/mailman/locks directory there are lots
of lock files. I am running FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE, Python 1.5.2, and Mailman 
2.0.11. 

Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Devin Atencio







From aki51 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 27 04:10:14 2002
From: aki51 at yahoo.com (Akash Jain)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:10:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resend subscription confirmations
Message-ID: <20020627021014.40265.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Folks,
So I am an idiot and had my MTA messed up for the
first hour of my mailman server's life this morning. 
In this time, about 70 people signed up for my list,
but the MTA bounced each message and isn't sending
another one out to them.  Hence I have about 70
entries in my pending_subscriptions.db that people
cannot confirm because they never got the confirmation
email.  How can I force mailman to resend the
confirmation emails?
-aki-

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From cprg at cprg.net  Thu Jun 27 06:30:04 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:30:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Virtual Hosts and SUEXEC
References: <200206261753.08579.dreamboy@aros.net>
Message-ID: <00d601c21d93$4f941ce0$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

I've heard from numerous resellers, who are unhappy that there
is an incompatibilty when Mailman runs in a virtual
hosting environment under SUEXEC.. Every reseller, every
customer of reseller, every domain on a machine has the
admin url of the server root domain. This is exposing the
customers of the resellers to the source of the hosting,
and is causing an uproar.. The server owners run suexec
for security, so, it's either expose the machine to hackers
by running mailman and others as root, or expose the
identity of the server owner to the customers of the resellers,
and there HAS to be a way to make mailman
run under suexec and still allow the url admin be the virtual
host, like it is without suexec!  
Please, is there any solution to this? 
SD 

From bogardi at lib.pte.hu  Thu Jun 27 10:25:33 2002
From: bogardi at lib.pte.hu (Bogardi Janos)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:25:33 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and virtual hosts?
Message-ID: <200206270825.g5R8PXS25318@lib.pte.hu>

Hello list,

I've just installed Mailman on a machine. This machine hosts a couple of 
virtual domains. I'd like to make Mailman available for these domains. How 
can one do that? I find very little/zero on virtual domains support in the 
FAQs.

Here is how things stand on my server now. I installed instances for every  
virtual host on the machine, copies reside within the /home/domain/.../mailman 
directories. My server uses sendmail as an MTA, and sendmail has smrsh. So, 
according to advice somewhere in the FAQ, I've added a symlink to:
/etc/smrsh : ln -s /home/domain1/.../mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper
And this is where wit ends. How can I add symlinks to wrappers in installed 
instances of other virtual domains?

Even if adding more symlinked wrappers is possible, there should be a less 
complicated way to make Mailman available to virtual domains (e.g. installing 
only one copy of Mailman for the machine). Could someone tell me how to 
achieve this?

Thank you for the input.

Janos Bogardi




From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk  Thu Jun 27 13:28:21 2002
From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Gardener, Ray A)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:28:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Loss administrator passwords since upgrade to version 2.0.11
Message-ID: <C4C20D0AEF0BF84B90CFEA0105EEB0BD0151A0EC@selene.shu.ac.uk>

Last week I upgraded to this version and discovered that none of my old administrator passwords (including the site password) worked.
Everything else seems to be OK.  Is this a known problem? It would be nice if I could reuse these old passwords. 

Ray Gardener
CIS 
Sheffield Hallam University
Sheffield
S1 1WB
0114 225 4926
R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk


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From kmccann at bellanet.org  Thu Jun 27 15:09:40 2002
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:09:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retention of Message-Id:
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020627085947.01b93ea0@198.62.158.133>

Hi there,

I am using a web forum to send messages to a gated Mailman list. I send a 
custom Message-Id: header and Mailman seems to retain that. In other words, 
when I receive the message in my inbox (I'm a member of the list), it has 
the same Message-Id: that was generated by the forum script. Which is great 
- I can achieve true threading in the forum using these IDs when processing 
email replies. When I send a message from a forum to a Lyris list, however, 
Lyris does not retain the Message-Id:, it replaces the one I sent with it's 
own.

Can someone tell me which behaviour is correct? Is the behaviour of Lyris 
contrary to an RFC stipulation? If so, can someone point me to which RFC 
and which rule? If they're not being RFC-compliant I'd like to bring it to 
their attention.Ideally, I'd like to gate my forums to any type of list - 
Mailman, Lyris, Yahoogroups. Majordomo, ezmlm, you name it. I just need to 
know whether I can *usually* depend on Message-Id: retention. If not, I 
guess I can create my own header like X-Msg-ID:, but I'd prefer not to.

Any advice?

Thanks,
Kevin McCann





From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Thu Jun 27 15:22:46 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes zmoelnig)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:22:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailaddresses with bad characters (resent)
Message-ID: <3D1B11A6.2020805@iem.kug.ac.at>

i have posted this message before, but got no replies.
it is really a problem for me.


 > hi list
 >
 > running my mailman-list, i have come into following problem:
 > some user prefer extra-cool (aka stupid ??) email-addresses like
 > cool^man at coolplanet.com
 >
 > i cannot subscribe these addresses (as administrator, i do not know,
 > whether they can subscribe themselves -- but i am porting my lists to
 > mailman so this is my task)
 >
 > are there any possibilities to do so ??
 > or do i have to teach my users to avoid such names ?
 >

if the solution is obvious, please tell me (even a "READ THE FAQ AGAIN
!!" might help)
if it is embarrasing, please tell me so too.
but please, give me some(!) answer


 > mfg.d.sar
 > IOhannes
 >









From kmccann at bellanet.org  Thu Jun 27 15:33:35 2002
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:33:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retention of Message-Id:
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020627085947.01b93ea0@198.62.158.133>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020627093204.0304f820@198.62.158.133>

I wrote:

"If not, I guess I can create my own header like X-Msg-ID:, but I'd prefer 
not to"

Actually, I can't do this. I need to use Message-ID: so that I can test 
In-Reply-To: and References: in subsequent email replies.

- Kevin





From markgill at GreatBooks.Org  Thu Jun 27 15:47:29 2002
From: markgill at GreatBooks.Org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto solve unknown mailer error without
	recompiling?
Message-ID: <sd1ad14f.094@PO.CHIC.GREATBOOKS.ORG>

I installed the RPM for Linux, which worked well out of the box. Then
trouble started after I worked on configurations of Samba and Apache.
Somthing I did caused the GID to change apparently. Being a novice, I'm
not sure what I did but I assume it has to do with Apache. Must I
reinstall from source to solve the problem or is there an Apache setting
that I can change? 

Mark Gillingham (markgill at greatbooks.org)
The Great Books Foundation
312 332 5870x214
Consulting  Board of Computers in Human Behavior
Newsletters: http://www.greatbooks.org/lists/
 Great Books Discussion
 Leading Edge
 Sweet Milk
>>> Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> 06/23/02 13:52 PM >>>
Last time I talked to the guy doing the Mailman RPM for Mandrake (my 
favorite dist), he said that he was setting it up to work with Postfix. 

You might want to look around and see if there is a specific MDK-rpm for

sendmail.  Or you might want to use Postfix as your MTA.

An other option is to install from source.  Installing from source is
very 
trivial:  You download the source and extract it (tar -xzf ...), change
to 
the directory formed by untarring it and run "./configure" then "make 
install" 

Jon
On Saturday 22 June 2002 11:27 am, David Weisgerber wrote:
> Hi,
> does somebody know how I can do this? The problem is, that I am
running
> Mandrak Linux 8.2 and I installed Mailman from the MDK8.2 CDs but he
has
> this problems... Do I have to reinstall the RPM with setting it to the
> right GID?
>
> The funny is, that I think that the GID is set right ( 12 - mail ) but
it
> wants to have it set to 99 ( unknown ). What can I do ? By the way, I
am
> using sendmail.
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner kutro"
>     (reason: 2)
>     (expanded from: kutro-admin)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to
take
> 12?) 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> Thanks for help,
> David


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From fcombernous at eprocess.fr  Thu Jun 27 17:32:58 2002
From: fcombernous at eprocess.fr (Fabien COMBERNOUS)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:32:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about archives
Message-ID: <20020627153258.GI18176@fcombernous.mtp.eprocess.fr>

Lo,

I had installed mailman and all looks to work fine except archives.
Archives are correctly generated, a link is made if i switch to public
archives. But when i want to read archives i acces to an empty
index.html file.

What can i do to have a non empty index.html file.

Note : mailman is running for about a week.

Fabien.

-- 

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eProcess - Parc Club du Mill?naire Batiment n? 6
1025 rue Henri Becquerel - 34000 Montpellier FRANCE
http://www.eprocess.fr - +33 (0)4 67 13 84 50




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Jun 27 17:31:55 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:31:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailaddresses with bad characters (resent)
In-Reply-To: <3D1B11A6.2020805@iem.kug.ac.at>
Message-ID: <01bf01c21def$c547ee10$0b04010a@JCARNES>

WorkAround:  put the users address in your local /etc/aliases file:
   cool-man_coolplanet:  cool^man at coolplanet.com

Then subscribe him to your lists using: cool-man_coolplanet at localhost

You also might want to follow up with a note telling him what you are doing,
but that is up to you.  The alternative is to upgrade to the beta version of
mailman.  Don't quote me but I think this is already fixed in that version.
I know the issue (under a different guise) came up 4 months ago.  Some
special characters are illegal on the domain side of the "@" but are
perfectly within spec on the user side.

Jon Carnes

-----Original Message-----
From: IOhannes zmoelnig [mailto:zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:23 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailaddresses with bad characters (resent)


i have posted this message before, but got no replies.
it is really a problem for me.


 > hi list
 >
 > running my mailman-list, i have come into following problem:
 > some user prefer extra-cool (aka stupid ??) email-addresses like
 > cool^man at coolplanet.com
 >
 > i cannot subscribe these addresses (as administrator, i do not know,
 > whether they can subscribe themselves -- but i am porting my lists to
 > mailman so this is my task)
 >
 > are there any possibilities to do so ??
 > or do i have to teach my users to avoid such names ?
 >

if the solution is obvious, please tell me (even a "READ THE FAQ AGAIN
!!" might help)
if it is embarrasing, please tell me so too.
but please, give me some(!) answer


 > mfg.d.sar
 > IOhannes
 >







------------------------------------------------------
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Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at  Thu Jun 27 17:42:56 2002
From: zmoelnig at iem.kug.ac.at (IOhannes zmoelnig)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:42:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailaddresses with bad characters (resent)
References: <01bf01c21def$c547ee10$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <3D1B3280.3070709@iem.kug.ac.at>

Jon Carnes wrote:
> WorkAround:  put the users address in your local /etc/aliases file:
>    cool-man_coolplanet:  cool^man at coolplanet.com
> 
> Then subscribe him to your lists using: cool-man_coolplanet at localhost

thanks

mfg.dsf.sadr
IOhannes





From sitz at onastick.net  Thu Jun 27 18:20:49 2002
From: sitz at onastick.net (Noah)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:20:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #2082 - 13 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20020627113103.10993.93468.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206271120540.28126-100000@stanis.onastick.net>

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:

Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Virtual Hosts and SUEXEC

> The server owners run suexec for security, so, it's either expose the
> machine to hackers by running mailman and others as root, or expose the
> identity of the server owner to the customers of the resellers, and
> there HAS to be a way to make mailman run under suexec and still allow
> the url admin be the virtual host, like it is without suexec!  Please,
> is there any solution to this?  SD

Assuming I'm understanding the question, one potential solution would be
to have each virtualhost have it's own mailman installation. An ugly
solution, to be sure, but a solution. Another *potential* solution depends
on a bunch of things I'm not sure of, but I'll toss it out anyway.
Assuming that all the vhosts list address are something like
'lists.virtualhost.com', one could theoretically have ServerAlias entries
for the mailman VirtualHost for each of the other virtualhosts:

<VirtualHost 1.1.1.1>
	ServerName lists.serverprovider.net
	ServerAlias lists.virtualhost.com
	ServerAlias lists.customer.net
	ServerAlias mailman.anothercustomer.org
	User mailman
	Group mailman
	...
	...
</Virtualhost>

However, this depends on at least two things...

* a seperate hostname for the list URL for each virtualhost (for example,
you couldn't have it it 'www.virtualhost.com', since that hostname already
exists in a different virtualhost block),

* mailman dealing with it correctly

...and while the former would simply be a question of finagling it from
your provider, the latter would involve mailman handling it correctly. And
I've no idea if it does (although I suspect it doesn't).

--n

Here we have a game that combines the charm of a Pentagon briefing
with the excitement of double-entry bookkeeping. I don't get it.
                                        -- Cecil Adams, on D&D






From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jun 27 18:43:59 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:43:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Programmatically changing admin options 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Kevin Carlson" <khcarlso@bellsouth.net> 
   of "Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:19:51 EDT." <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECMEJEHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net> 
References: <NABBJGPEEPNIICFIPMECMEJEHEAA.khcarlso@bellsouth.net> 
Message-ID: <15741.1025196239@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:19:51 -0400 
Kevin Carlson <khcarlso at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Is it possible to programmatically change admin options without
> resorting to using httplib?  For example, I would like to be able to
> change privacy options on a newly created list without calling into
> http://host/mailman/admin/list

Use ~/bin/withlist

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jun 27 18:44:59 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:44:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two quick MailMan questions 
In-Reply-To: Message from zz@evjohn.com 
   of "Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:43:12 EDT." <4gfehu8k8ub4qebnalmjc6p5ojneu8esfl@4ax.com> 
References: <4gfehu8k8ub4qebnalmjc6p5ojneu8esfl@4ax.com> 
Message-ID: <15753.1025196299@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:43:12 -0400 
zz  <zz at evjohn.com> wrote:

> 1.  As list administrator, is there any way I can get a list of all
> subscribers emailed to me?  If not is there a way I can fiew the
> entire list at once? - Where should I have looked to find
> documentation on this?

~/bin/list_members

> 2.  Is there any wan I can mass delete list members?

~/bin/remove_members

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jun 27 19:41:47 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retention of Message-Id: 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kevin McCann <kmccann@bellanet.org> 
   of "Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:09:40 EDT." <5.0.0.25.2.20020627085947.01b93ea0@198.62.158.133> 
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020627085947.01b93ea0@198.62.158.133> 
Message-ID: <17196.1025199707@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:09:40 -0400 
Kevin McCann <kmccann at bellanet.org> wrote:

> Hi there, I am using a web forum to send messages to a gated Mailman
> list. I send a custom Message-Id: header and Mailman seems to retain
> that. In other words, when I receive the message in my inbox (I'm a
> member of the list), it has the same Message-Id: that was generated by
> the forum script. Which is great - I can achieve true threading in the
> forum using these IDs when processing email replies. When I send a
> message from a forum to a Lyris list, however, Lyris does not retain
> the Message-Id:, it replaces the one I sent with it's own.

> Can someone tell me which behaviour is correct? 

Simply: BOTH.

> Is the behaviour of Lyris contrary to an RFC stipulation? If so, can
> someone point me to which RFC and which rule? If they're not being
> RFC-compliant I'd like to bring it to their attention.

Its an ambiguous situation.  Is the message sent by the list server a
new message or a mere forwarded copy of the original message?  There are
good reasons for both sides.  But, one gets a new Message-ID under the
RFC and the other doesn't.

Mailman and Lyris call on opposite sides of the split.

> Ideally, I'd like to gate my forums to any type of list - Mailman,
> Lyris, Yahoogroups. Majordomo, ezmlm, you name it. I just need to know
> whether I can *usually* depend on Message-Id: retention. 

Usually you can.  Most list servers retain Message-IDs.  A few offer it
as a config option.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From mabbassi at keyspanenergy.com  Thu Jun 27 21:54:31 2002
From: mabbassi at keyspanenergy.com (MOUHSSINE ABBASSI)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:54:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list
References: <3D1A2F6E.59CDE41F@keyspanenergy.com>
Message-ID: <3D1B6D77.3655808F@keyspanenergy.com>

Hi folks,

        My list subscribers are still not able to get mail sent to the list.
I have the same problem with two other test lists. I thought this could be a
Sendmail Symbolic link issue (smrsh). I  recreated the symbolic links and it
did not help. I am not getting those errors (listed on FAQ) in my mail log.
This is an entry from my /var/log/maillog:

        "Jun 27 13:57:54 reserved-4-p13-287-2b-met sendmail[1387]:
g5RHvsx01387: from=<ma
bbassi at keyspanenergy.com>, size=981, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<3D1B53A1.9D132082
@keyspanenergy.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=cain.keyspanenergy.com
[10.1
6.232.141]
Jun 27 13:57:55 reserved-4-p13-287-2b-met sendmail[1388]: g5RHvsx01387:
to="|/us
r/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post ksenews1"      ,
ctladdr=<ksenews1 at reserved-4-
p13-287-2b-met.keyspanenergy.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01,
mailer
=prog, pri=30083, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent   "

I have Listserv software (from lsoft) running on the same box but the
mailing lists are working fine. I am running Red Hat Linux on this box.

Thank you

M.

========================================================================

MOUHSSINE ABBASSI wrote:

>     Hi,
>             I setup a mailing list on Mailman and I am able to access
> its configuration from the web interface. The problem is when I send
> email to this list no one of the list members receive any posted
> messages.
> I am running Mailman on Red Hat Linux and Sendmail is working fine with
> another Mailing List software. I am not really sure what is wrong.
>
>         When I post a message to the list I don't get any error messages
> and the message is not delivered to the list.
>
> Thank you
>
> M.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From tigote at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 27 22:01:00 2002
From: tigote at earthlink.net (Melissa Oringer)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for remote hosters?
Message-ID: <p05111710b9411ec932d3@[171.66.224.66]>

Hello,

I pay to remotely host my websites.  At present, the only service 
they provide is straight Majordomo.  The users on the lists I run all 
very much want an online archival feature.

I've looked at the various online archiving options for Majordomo 
lists but they all require that the some basic configuration be done 
on the server hosting the lists.  That part is beyond my control. 
Looking at Mailman, it looks like there are some basic server 
configurations that need to occur, again outside my control.

I have my own cgi-bin directory and telnet access to a UNIX prompt. 
Does anyone know of a way for me to provide online archiving / 
browsing of the majordomo lists without having to involve my webhosts?

Many thanks!
-M
-- 
_____________________________
Melissa Oringer

Tigote Design:  http://www.tigote.com
   Blessed Bees:  http://www.bbzzz.com
     Jewitchery:  http://www.jewitchery.com




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Jun 27 21:56:26 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:56:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list
References: <3D1A2F6E.59CDE41F@keyspanenergy.com> <3D1B6D77.3655808F@keyspanenergy.com>
Message-ID: <3D1B6DEA.F6A0A6D1@pcraft.com>

MOUHSSINE ABBASSI wrote:

>         My list subscribers are still not able to get mail sent to the list.
> I have the same problem with two other test lists. I thought this could be a
> Sendmail Symbolic link issue (smrsh). I  recreated the symbolic links and it
> did not help. I am not getting those errors (listed on FAQ) in my mail log.

    Did you set up the crontab so that the qrunner actually processes the
messages?

--
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  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il  Tue Jun 25 14:17:33 2002
From: camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il (camelia)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:17:33 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper program
Message-ID: <3D185F5D.5286F51A@wicc.weizmann.ac.il>

I installed mailman on our web server ( that is configured also like
mail server).
Everything looks OK.
When   i try to send a message to a mailinglist  I get:

list_name... aliased to :|export/mailman/mail/wrapper post name_lis"
"|/export/mailman/mail/wrapper post list_name"... Connecting to prog...
"|/export/mailman/mai/wrapper post list_name" ... Sent

but the message doesn't arrive to destination.
How works the wrapper  exactly ?
What can I do to check what happens ?





From pedrobados at eresmas.net  Tue Jun 25 15:53:00 2002
From: pedrobados at eresmas.net (Pedro Bados)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:53:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: Cannot import name mm_cfg
Message-ID: <XFMail.20020625155300.pedrobados@eresmas.net>

Hi: 

 Since a couple of days I get this email each minute: 

 Subject : Cron <mailman at localhost> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qru
 Body    : 

 Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 90, in ?
    from Mailman.Bouncers import BouncerAPI
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 32, in ?
    from Mailman import mm_cfg
ImportError: cannot import name mm_cfg

 Any ideas ? 
  

-----------------------------------------------
E-Mail: Pedro Bados <pedrobados at eresmas.net>
Date: 25-Jun-2002 
-----------------------------------------------




From irenes at wolfram.com  Tue Jun 25 19:39:15 2002
From: irenes at wolfram.com (Irene Sakellarakis)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:39:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail vs hypermail
Message-ID: <000801c21c6f$3ad217f0$6a0ab18c@wri.wolfram.com>

Hi there,
 We're looking into using Mailman to replace our current Majordomo setup. We're running into a problem with respect to pipermail, however. We have extensive archives under a hacked hypermail format.

We need to keep all our archives together, whether that be in piper- or hyper-mail. I could use some advice on whether it's possible to use the Mailman archiving features to incorporate other mail-based archives.

Thanks,
Irene Sakellarakis
System Administrator
Wolfram Research, Inc.
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From ebohigian at infocomm.org  Tue Jun 25 21:22:47 2002
From: ebohigian at infocomm.org (Emily Bohigian)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:22:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Listserv service
Message-ID: <6AE3CB81522657409532377E7632DE1859EEC5@mercury.infocomm.org>

I am on the market for a new listserv service and I had a few questions I
could not find answers to in the website:

	Is Mailman accessible from email?
	How does a user unsubscribe from email?
	Can the administrator bulk upload email addresses to the list?
	Can a user reply both publicly and privately?
	Is there digest and index capability?
	Are there ads on Mailman?  If so, are we paid for these ads?

Thanks for your help,

Emily

Emily Bohigian
Member Activities Coordinator
International Communications Industries Association
11242 Waples Mill Road
Suite 200
Fairfax, VA 22030
800-659-7469 x365
703-278-8082 FAX
ebohigian at infocomm.org

www.infocomm.org






From gour-gadadhara.dasa at inet.hr  Tue Jun 25 21:58:39 2002
From: gour-gadadhara.dasa at inet.hr (Gour-Gadadhara Dasa)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:58:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper
In-Reply-To: <B92BB05E.DE44%tracy@snellfamily.com>; from tracy@snellfamily.com on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 01:49:18PM -0400
References: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0206111933590.12106-100000@gaura.nitai.hr> <B92BB05E.DE44%tracy@snellfamily.com>
Message-ID: <20020625215839.A32021@inet.hr>

On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 01:49:18PM -0400, Tracy Snell wrote:
> Just needed to install the cron jobs. Didn't realize they were needed for
> delivery. All is well now. Running virtual domains, it all is working as
> advertised.

What do you mean?

I executed crontab crontab.in and when I check crons with crontab -l,
it shows that cron jobs from crontab.in are active, but still - no delivery.

Is there something else what I am missing?

Sincerely,
Gour

ps. Sorry for late reply. I was replacing sendmail with qmail and migrating
from Pine to Mutt, so I needed some time to complete the transition :-)
 

> 

> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 




From root at dns2.orra.gob.pe  Tue Jun 25 23:29:26 2002
From: root at dns2.orra.gob.pe (root)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:29:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems
Message-ID: <200206252129.g5PLTRp07724@dns2.orra.gob.pe>

Good Mailman

S.O. Linux 7.2 Redhat
Python-1.5.2-35
Sendmail-8.11.6-3
Mailman 2.0.6-1

- All the configuration was complited

- The install was OK

- The check_perms script  ---> No problems found

- In Final sysstem set-up
            - httpd.conf was configurated   
            - crontab crontab.in
            -  hooking sednmail with mailman (do not  run)  
            - add mailman in aliases
- Run newaliases and sendmail

- mmsitepass ---my site --- 

- Create list test and add in aliases

- My aliases file is :

         mailman: free_rock_bc at hotmail.com
         mailman-owner :mailman
         test : mailman
         test-admin: test
         test-request: test
         test-owner:test-admin

- My access file contain all the domain permited for my server 

- In http://-----------/mailman/listinfo/test

- Suscribing the members in the list 

- I login with administrator count  - and select membership management  and   
   add lines of the address the members


My Problem

- When I send email at the list :

	- do not send to members (I have members in the list )

            - only recive the list address

            -  not see archives of the list


Please , send me all information of the mailman configuration and  files 
configuration of the sendmail for hooking with mailman

thanks
   




From aki.jain at stanford.edu  Wed Jun 26 20:30:45 2002
From: aki.jain at stanford.edu (Akash Jain)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:30:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending_Subcription.db reprocess
Message-ID: <B93F5665.1A88%aki.jain@stanford.edu>

Hey Folks,
So I setup a mailman server, and being a bright soul, I didn't set the
correct SMTP Host.  Hence, the first 10 or 20 people who signed up didn't
get their confirmation emails.  They are all sitting in the
pending_subscriptions.db but I want mailman to resend their confirmations,
is there any easy way to do this?
-aki-
Ps please reply to my email address because I am not on the mailman-users
list...





From randy.waugh at rcpsc.edu  Thu Jun 27 19:14:59 2002
From: randy.waugh at rcpsc.edu (Waugh, Randy)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <E8B8F57BDA5DD511A16900902774B6C4C981A7@WWW>

Hi,

Mailman has been working great for us, until the last three lists. I added
the lists with the *newlist* command, updated the alias files, ran
*newalias*.
The list is there, and is accessible for admin functions, and requests to
join the list go into the queue, but the admin is not notified by
e-mail...this continues to work
for lists that were created in the past, but not the new lists???

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Randy



Randolph Waugh, I.S.P.
Network and Telecommunication Administrator
The Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada
774 promenade Echo Drive
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
K1S 5N8
Phone: (613) 730-6255
Fax: (613) 730-8830
Watts: (800) 668-3740
E-mail: randy.waugh at rcpsc.edu
Web: http://rcpsc.medical.org

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(Three things that come without asking: fear, love and jealousy) From an old
Gaelic proverb.






From mailman at whitworks.com  Thu Jun 27 23:26:01 2002
From: mailman at whitworks.com (ValerieWhitmore)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:26:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members
In-Reply-To: <15753.1025196299@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206271624060.17926-100000@host.whitworks.com>

Can someone explain what the  sync_members command does exactly?
The FAQ says: sync_members: synchronizes mailing list membership with a 
flat text file. 

but I'm not quite sure what that means..does it create a text file or does 
it import a text file...

thanks,
Valerie





From stirrell at deepriver.com  Thu Jun 27 23:33:48 2002
From: stirrell at deepriver.com (Scott Tirrell)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:33:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending e-mail to the list via a webform?
Message-ID: <B940FCFC.249D%stirrell@deepriver.com>

Hello there,

I'm new to the world of Mailman. I'm having trouble accomplishing something
that, I think, should be quite simple. I have done searches on Google to no
avail.

Anyway, I have a broadcast e-mail list set up for a client. They send out
alerts via a webform on an admin page. When I send an e-mail from the form
via PHP to my list's address with a "From:" header with an allowed poster's
e-mail address it... Well, doesn't send the message. I get no messages at
all. If I send the message directly from my mail client, it works like a
charm. I have CC'ed myself on the mail from the webform and the from: header
seems to be formed correctly. Can anyone think what would cause this
difference?

The reason that I am using a webform is that I also am updating information
on a web page via a MySQL database.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Scott Tirrell





From jonahs at tiopan.com  Fri Jun 28 00:01:26 2002
From: jonahs at tiopan.com (Jonah Simandjuntak)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:01:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for remote hosters? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Melissa Oringer <tigote@earthlink.net> 
   of "Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:01:00 PDT." <p05111710b9411ec932d3@[171.66.224.66]> 
Message-ID: <200206272201.g5RM1Qn09900@tiopan.com>

Yes, it can be done. However, it all depends on your Unix account. I'd suggest using an email filter; try looking for procmail availability in your Unix account or compile one (if you are allowed) from procmail.org. Other filters that you might want to search for: elm filter, mh filter, etc. Or you can roll your own mail filter using scripts. 

Good luck.

--Jonah

In message <p05111710b9411ec932d3@[171.66.224.66]>, Melissa Oringer writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I pay to remotely host my websites.  At present, the only service 
> they provide is straight Majordomo.  The users on the lists I run all 
> very much want an online archival feature.
> 
> I've looked at the various online archiving options for Majordomo 
> lists but they all require that the some basic configuration be done 
> on the server hosting the lists.  That part is beyond my control. 
> Looking at Mailman, it looks like there are some basic server 
> configurations that need to occur, again outside my control.
> 
> I have my own cgi-bin directory and telnet access to a UNIX prompt. 
> Does anyone know of a way for me to provide online archiving / 
> browsing of the majordomo lists without having to involve my webhosts?
> 
> Many thanks!
> -M
> -- 
> _____________________________
> Melissa Oringer
> 
> Tigote Design:  http://www.tigote.com
>    Blessed Bees:  http://www.bbzzz.com
>      Jewitchery:  http://www.jewitchery.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> 




From rbs at snippets.org  Fri Jun 28 00:14:35 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:14:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Listserv service
In-Reply-To: <6AE3CB81522657409532377E7632DE1859EEC5@mercury.infocomm.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206271703470.14768-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Emily Bohigian wrote:

> I am on the market for a new listserv service and I had a few questions I
> could not find answers to in the website:
>
> 	Is Mailman accessible from email?
> 	How does a user unsubscribe from email?

Yes, if you send a "HELP" message to <list_name>-request@<domain>, you
receive a list of commands that also work with the "-request" address.

> 	Can the administrator bulk upload email addresses to the list?

Yes, both from the web-based subscription management screen, or via
command line utility.

> 	Can a user reply both publicly and privately?

I'm using 2.0.9 and the answer is yes, but with difficulty. The most
direct way is to use the "reply-to" setting, but this introduces problems
for some subscribers. If your list has some measure of control over the
mail system(s) which will be accessing it, this may or may not be a
problem. OTOH, if your subscriber list, like mine, is drawn from a diverse
population of people subscribing from work and home, it can be a headache
and there's no easy answer I've discovered.

> 	Is there digest and index capability?

Yes. There are also methods I haven't tried yet to make the archives
searchable. I've had mixed success importing pre-existing (Listproc)
archives, but that has as much to do with my not paying attention to the
amount of available virtual storage as with any inherent problems with
Mailman.

> 	Are there ads on Mailman?  If so, are we paid for these ads?

Not really... The "Delivered by Mailman", "Powered by Python", and GNU
logos appear at the bottom of the pages, but could probably be edited out.

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From rbs at snippets.org  Fri Jun 28 00:46:36 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:46:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail vs hypermail
In-Reply-To: <000801c21c6f$3ad217f0$6a0ab18c@wri.wolfram.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206271735230.15285-100000@snippets.snippets.org>

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Irene Sakellarakis wrote:

> We're looking into using Mailman to replace our current Majordomo setup.
> We're running into a problem with respect to pipermail, however. We have
> extensive archives under a hacked hypermail format.
>
> We need to keep all our archives together, whether that be in piper- or
> hyper-mail. I could use some advice on whether it's possible to use the
> Mailman archiving features to incorporate other mail-based archives.

Before my own stupidity blew things up, I had successfully imported some
large Listproc archives in mbox format to Mailman. There are a few issues
to be aware of though...

1.  As you might gather from my tale of woe, the arch utility's exception
    handling is less than stellar. Always back up everything before you
    attempt this. And, by all means, check in advance that you aren't
    going to run out of apparent disk space in the middle of the job!

2.  Exception handling isn't arch's only shortcoming. Its parse engine
    does tent to get confused easily. My solution was to use...

    formail +1 -ds procmail

    to process the old archives rather than let arch try to split it. I
    then went through Pine and manually deleted malformed messages before
    importing the resulting Pine folder into Mailman. It sounds a lot more
    cumbersome and time-consuming than it really is...

3.  After getting everything imported, I haven't been able to get the sort
    by thread feature of the archive page to work correctly. Sorting by
    date or poster seems to work OK, though. To me, this isn't a  show-
    stopper, but YMMV...

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   Home of the SNIPPETS archives and the
   DIY Loudspeaker Driver Selection Guide (LDSG):
http://www.snippets.org/





From cprg at cprg.net  Fri Jun 28 00:48:29 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:48:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Listserv service
References: <6AE3CB81522657409532377E7632DE1859EEC5@mercury.infocomm.org>
Message-ID: <007201c21e2c$c22e3e40$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Emily Bohigian" <ebohigian at infocomm.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:22 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions regarding Listserv service


I am on the market for a new listserv service and I had a few questions I
could not find answers to in the website:

Is Mailman accessible from email? 
            What do you mean "accessible"? 
            Mailman is a mailing list software which when properly installed on your server,
             delivers messages to subscribers VIA email. 

            Do you mean, can subscribers send commands to the robot via email?
                            YES... 
                            mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subect=help 

            Do you mean, can the administrator manage the list via email? 
                            NO, administration is via the web interface: or ssh 
                            http://mail.python.org/mailman/admin/mailman-users

How does a user unsubscribe from email? 
            Access your list web page: 
            http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/cprg--at--cprg.net 
            or by sending email from the account you wish to unsubscribe 
            mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subect=unsubscribe 

Can the administrator bulk upload email addresses to the list?
                YES, via the web interface.  

Can a user reply both publicly and privately?
                YES, list administrator has the option of setting where replies go to,
                if "to sender" replyer needs to "Reply to All" to send public reply, if 
                "to list" replyer needs to paste the address of "sender" in the "To:"
                box in place of the "List Address" of the reply. 

Is there digest and index capability?
                YES (Pipermail) 

Are there ads on Mailman?  If so, are we paid for these ads? 
                NO ads are included, but list owner may put own ads in the list header, 
                footer, or listinfo page, and elsewhere.
Thanks for your help, 
        WAIT! Here's your bonus help: 

                Mailman quick reference guide: 
                http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-admin-quickref-0.2.html 

                List manager's guide: 
                 http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html 

                Server administrator guide:
                 http://www.list.org/admins.html 

                User's (subscriber's) guide:
                 http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-userguide-0.1.pdf 

                More than you ever wanted to know about Mailman:   :-) 
                  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html 


Emily

OK. Bye.. 
SD 













From csm at MoonGroup.com  Fri Jun 28 02:50:20 2002
From: csm at MoonGroup.com (Chuck Mead)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:50:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] drop mail from posters who are not subscribed!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206272047290.19573-100000@stealth.moongroup.org>

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Is there a way to configure mailman to simply drop mail sent from people
who are not subscribed? All the spam attempts I see would make this a
wonderful capability to have. I get very tired of having to go and
manually deal with all of them.

- -- 
csm

"Look, I want to make Microsoft's life miserable; so I'll tell you what,
I'll pay you $10 million a year to torture Microsoft."   --Steve Ballmer
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From markgill at GreatBooks.Org  Fri Jun 28 03:52:11 2002
From: markgill at GreatBooks.Org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:52:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RedHat mm_cfg.py & GIU
Message-ID: <sd1b7b10.095@PO.CHIC.GREATBOOKS.ORG>

RedHat 7.2, latest Mailman

I changed the group of my www tree and confused Mailman. Can't I force
Mailman to use a different group than it was install with via the
mm_cfg.py config file? The GID that is expected belongs to apache, but
now it see the group ID of webmaster. Changing the www tree back to
apache did not help MM. Must I reinstall to fix this? 

Here's a bit of the mm_cfg.py file:

##############################################################
#    Here's where we override shipped defaults with settings #
#    suitable for the RPM package.                           #
MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]


Mark Gillingham (markgill at greatbooks.org)
The Great Books Foundation
312 332 5870x214
Consulting  Board of Computers in Human Behavior
Newsletters: http://www.greatbooks.org/lists/
 Great Books Discussion
 Leading Edge
 Sweet Milk




From free_rock_bc at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 28 06:21:21 2002
From: free_rock_bc at hotmail.com (Bernard Camacho Florez)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 04:21:21 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -Problems with mailman -
Message-ID: <F169yDc41W2ufyWOxbC000002df@hotmail.com>

Good Mailman

S.O. Linux 7.2 Redhat
Python-1.5.2-35
Sendmail-8.11.6-3
Mailman 2.0.6-1

- All the configuration was complited

- The install was OK

- The check_perms script  ---> No problems found

- In Final sysstem set-up
            - httpd.conf was configurated
            - crontab crontab.in
            -  hooking sednmail with mailman (do not  run)
            - add mailman in aliases
- Run newaliases and sendmail

- mmsitepass ---my site ---

- Create list test and add in aliases

- My aliases file is :

         mailman: free_rock_bc at hotmail.com
         mailman-owner :mailman
         test : mailman
         test-admin: test
         test-request: test
         test-owner:test-admin

- My access file contain all the domain permited for my server

- In http://-----------/mailman/listinfo/test

- Suscribing the members in the list

- I login with administrator count  - and select membership management  and  
     add lines of the address the members


My Problem

- When I send email at the list :

	- do not send to members (I have members in the list )

            - only recive the list address

            -  not see archives of the list




- My maillog


Jun 27 21:42:00 dns2 sendmail[29095]: g5S2fwE29095: 
from=<free_rock_bc at hotmail.com>, size=756, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<F182wwPcMFlF8HGmCvo00000185 at hotmail.com>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=Daemon0, relay=f182.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.182]
Jun 27 21:42:00 dns2 sendmail[29100]: g5S2fwE29095: 
to=/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post test, ctladdr=<test at dns2.orra.gob.pe> 
(8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=*file*, pri=30164, dsn=5.0.0, 
stat=Can't create output
Jun 27 21:42:00 dns2 sendmail[29100]: g5S2fwE29095: g5S2g0E29100: DSN: Can't 
create output
Jun 27 21:42:07 dns2 sendmail[29100]: g5S2g0E29100: 
to=<free_rock_bc at hotmail.com>, delay=00:00:07, xdelay=00:00:07, 
mailer=esmtp, pri=30264, relay=mx04.hotmail.com. [65.54.254.145], dsn=2.0.0, 
stat=Sent ( <200206280242.g5S2g0E29100 at dns2.orra.gob.pe> Queued mail for 
delivery)
Jun 27 21:42:44 dns2 sendmail[29107]: g5S2gi229107: 
from=<bernard at dns2.orra.gob.pe>, size=1241, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<Pine.LNX.4.33.0206272142400.29102-100000 at dns2.orra.gob.pe>, 
proto=ESMTP, relay=bernard at localhost
Jun 27 21:42:44 dns2 sendmail[29108]: g5S2gi229107: 
to=/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test, 
ctladdr=<test-request at dns2.orra.gob.pe> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=*file*, pri=30879, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Can't create 
output
Jun 27 21:42:44 dns2 sendmail[29108]: g5S2gi229107: g5S2gi229108: DSN: Can't 
create output
Jun 27 21:42:44 dns2 sendmail[29108]: g5S2gi229108: 
to=<bernard at dns2.orra.gob.pe>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, 
mailer=local, pri=30979, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Jun 27 21:45:26 dns2 sendmail[29168]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by 
root
Jun 27 21:45:26 dns2 sendmail[29168]: /etc/aliases: 46 aliases, longest 42 
bytes, 611 bytes total
Jun 27 21:45:34 dns2 sendmail[29195]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by 
root
Jun 27 21:45:34 dns2 sendmail[29195]: /etc/aliases: 46 aliases, longest 42 
bytes, 611 bytes total
Jun 27 21:45:34 dns2 sendmail[29207]: starting daemon (8.11.6): 
SMTP+queueing at 01:00:00
Jun 27 21:46:21 dns2 sendmail[29230]: g5S2kLg29230: 
from=<bernard at dns2.orra.gob.pe>, size=1241, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<Pine.LNX.4.33.0206272146180.29227-100000 at dns2.orra.gob.pe>, 
proto=ESMTP, relay=bernard at localhost
Jun 27 21:46:21 dns2 smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper.mailcmd.test
Jun 27 21:46:21 dns2 sendmail[29231]: g5S2kLg29230: to=| 
/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test, 
ctladdr=<test-request at dns2.orra.gob.pe> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30879, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable
Jun 27 21:46:21 dns2 sendmail[29231]: g5S2kLg29230: g5S2kLg29231: DSN: 
Service unavailable
Jun 27 21:46:22 dns2 sendmail[29231]: g5S2kLg29231: 
to=<bernard at dns2.orra.gob.pe>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, 
mailer=local, pri=30979, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Jun 27 22:09:43 dns2 sendmail[29533]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by 
root
Jun 27 22:09:43 dns2 sendmail[29533]: /etc/aliases: 46 aliases, longest 28 
bytes, 576 bytes total
Jun 27 22:10:01 dns2 sendmail[29570]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by 
root
Jun 27 22:10:01 dns2 sendmail[29570]: /etc/aliases: 46 aliases, longest 28 
bytes, 576 bytes total
Jun 27 22:10:02 dns2 sendmail[29585]: starting daemon (8.11.6): 
SMTP+queueing at 01:00:00
Jun 27 22:11:01 dns2 sendmail[29596]: g5S3B0u29596: 
from=<free_rock_bc at hotmail.com>, size=761, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<F290erOc0Ne0PaLI9mK00000169 at hotmail.com>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=Daemon0, relay=f290.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.165]
Jun 27 22:11:01 dns2 Mailman mail-wrapper: Usage: /etc/smrsh/wrapper program 
[args...]
Jun 27 22:11:01 dns2 sendmail[29601]: g5S3B0u29596: 
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper", ctladdr=<test at dns2.orra.gob.pe> (8/0), 
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30164, dsn=5.3.0, 
stat=unknown mailer error 5
Jun 27 22:11:01 dns2 sendmail[29601]: g5S3B0u29596: g5S3B1u29601: DSN: 
unknown mailer error 5
Jun 27 22:11:09 dns2 sendmail[29601]: g5S3B1u29601: 
to=<free_rock_bc at hotmail.com>, delay=00:00:08, xdelay=00:00:08, 
mailer=esmtp, pri=30264, relay=mx02.hotmail.com. [65.54.254.145], dsn=2.0.0, 
stat=Sent ( <200206280311.g5S3B1u29601 at dns2.orra.gob.pe> Queued mail for 
delivery)
Jun 27 22:56:50 dns2 sendmail[29937]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by 
root
Jun 27 22:56:50 dns2 sendmail[29937]: /etc/aliases: 46 aliases, longest 28 
bytes, 576 bytes total
Jun 27 23:11:15 dns2 sendmail[30284]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by 
root
Jun 27 23:11:15 dns2 sendmail[30284]: /etc/aliases: 46 aliases, longest 28 
bytes, 578 bytes total
Jun 27 23:11:27 dns2 sendmail[30311]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by 
root
Jun 27 23:11:27 dns2 sendmail[30311]: /etc/aliases: 46 aliases, longest 28 
bytes, 578 bytes total
Jun 27 23:11:27 dns2 sendmail[30323]: starting daemon (8.11.6): 
SMTP+queueing at 01:00:00


Please , send me all information of the mailman configuration and  files 
configuration of the sendmail for hooking with mailman

thanks


_________________________________________________________________
?nase al mayor servicio mundial de correo electr?nico: 
http://www.hotmail.com/es





From rhorer at swbell.net  Fri Jun 28 08:41:33 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:41:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin mail interface?
Message-ID: <200206280141.33514.rhorer@swbell.net>

Forgive me if this has been discussed already, but I wonder about a mail 
interface for admin functions like approving subscription requests.  It 
would be really convenient if the list owner could simply reply with 
some incantation to the notice that there is a request pending.  Does 
this feature already exist?  I didn't see it mentioned in the listed 
features or in the feature request database.




From justin at tryllian.com  Fri Jun 28 11:05:17 2002
From: justin at tryllian.com (Justin Albstmeijer)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:05:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] generating personalized mailing
Message-ID: <48677.212.0.243.10.1025255117.squirrel@wm.tryllian.com>

Hi,

Is it possible to send an email to a mailman mailinglist using mm-tags?

I was hoping to use mm-2.0.5-prof-0.7, the profile patch to make this
possible.
So I would like to send an email to all the subscribers on my mailinglist,
starting with

Dear <mm-p-realname>,


Any suggestions?


Justin








From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Jun 28 15:50:49 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 28 Jun 2002 15:50:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] -Problems with mailman -
In-Reply-To: "Bernard Camacho Florez"'s message of "Fri, 28 Jun 2002 04:21:21 +0000"
References: <F169yDc41W2ufyWOxbC000002df@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <m3d6ubpl52.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Bernard Camacho Florez" <free_rock_bc at hotmail.com> writes:

>          test : mailman
>          test-admin: test
>          test-request: test
>          test-owner:test-admin

I think it must be:


,----
| test:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
| test-admin:      "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
| test-request:    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
| test-owner:      test-admin
`----


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Jun 28 16:01:03 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 28 Jun 2002 16:01:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper program
In-Reply-To: camelia's message of "Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:17:33 +0300"
References: <3D185F5D.5286F51A@wicc.weizmann.ac.il>
Message-ID: <m38z4zpko0.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

camelia <camelia at wicc.weizmann.ac.il> writes:

> When   i try to send a message to a mailinglist  I get:
> 
> list_name... aliased to :|export/mailman/mail/wrapper post name_lis"
> "|/export/mailman/mail/wrapper post list_name"... Connecting to prog...
> "|/export/mailman/mai/wrapper post list_name" ... Sent
> 
> but the message doesn't arrive to destination.
> How works the wrapper  exactly ?
> What can I do to check what happens ?

Mailmans crontab


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Jun 28 16:04:52 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 28 Jun 2002 16:04:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions
In-Reply-To: "Chris"'s message of "Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:27:42 -0500"
References: <117e01c22263$21c0def0$54092942@hppav>
Message-ID: <m34rfnpkhn.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Chris" <chris at advistechsa.com> writes:

> Is the software free?

It's under the GPL.

> Will it work with powerMTA?

See http://www.list.org/download.html


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
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From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Fri Jun 28 16:15:54 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:15:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web config question
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10206281006240.8510-100000@forest.umiacs.umd.edu>

I've installed mailman (2.0.8, I'll update once I get it working) on solaris7.
It passes the build and permission tests. The apache config file has
   Alias /mailman/ "/etc/mailman/cgi-bin/"
    ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/etc/mailman/cgi-bin/"

but when I go to http://hostname/mailman  I get a "Not Found" and the web
logs show
File does not exist: /usr/private/htdocs/mailman

I had a similar problem with something called netsaint that requires
similar configurating. I resolved it by making a link from the htdocs/netsaint
to the actual install dir. Is mailman the same way? The INSTALL docs don't
say so (and besides, where is the index.html in the cgi-bin directory)

In other words what is the first thing to run when you connect to mailman,
what are the hooks into it for apache to know to run it?

TIA



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland 
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies   





From erin.martin at cybertrails.net  Fri Jun 28 18:17:36 2002
From: erin.martin at cybertrails.net (Erin)
Date: 28 Jun 2002 09:17:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A single list not working
Message-ID: <1025281056.19513.301.camel@lollie2.cybertrails.com>

Hi all.. I'm new to the list and have a quick question.

I have been running mailman for nearly 2 years now, and ran into an odd
problem this week that I *have* to be missing the obvious on.

I have about 10 lists..one of which has about 22K users. Last week,
posting to this list worked just fine. This week it doesn't appear to do
anything with the message.

All other lists are working fine.

The qmail log shows 

1025279881.775349 new msg 112244
1025279881.775473 info msg 112244: bytes 1478 from
<brad.lastname at domain.net> qp 9193 uid 100
1025279881.780019 starting delivery 75443: msg 112244 to local
outages at lists.domain.com
1025279881.780032 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
1025279881.787793 delivery 75443: success: did_1+0+0/
1025279881.787801 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
1025279881.787807 end msg 112244

The .qmail file for includes the correct !preline message in it, all
other lists are working fine, so I have ruled qmail itself out.  There
were no major configuration changes to this list.

Can anyone tell me what i'm over looking? I would hate to have to
rebuild this list.

Thank you

Erin Martin





From peter at vibert.ca  Fri Jun 28 20:18:38 2002
From: peter at vibert.ca (Peter Vibert)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:18:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives
Message-ID: <20020628141838.2b4a01c0.peter@vibert.ca>

Hi,

Is it possible to change where a list points the archives link to?
As in, change from "pipermail" to "some-list-archives".
The reason for this is multiple Mailman installations on one machine,
and you can't have the same Alias in httpd.conf.

Thanks very much,
Peter Vibert




From cwieland at uci.edu  Fri Jun 28 22:47:42 2002
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:47:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Patches
Message-ID: <4AAC822C-8AD8-11D6-8E8D-000393012174@uci.edu>

Hello

Can someone help me (or point me to)  with directions on how to use the 
patch updates on solaris. So I don't have to do the complete install. I 
looked through the archives and FAQ's but couldn't find anything (what 
did I miss).

TIA
Con Wieland
UC Irvine





From ldusanic at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 28 23:58:11 2002
From: ldusanic at yahoo.com (Larry Dusanic)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and BBS
In-Reply-To: <4AAC822C-8AD8-11D6-8E8D-000393012174@uci.edu>
Message-ID: <20020628215811.67127.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com>

I want to install a BBS and use the links in mailman.
Anyone have any favorite flavors of BBS software that
is working? 

P.S. this is for a non-profit so $ is a factor..

__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com




From dreamboy at aros.net  Sat Jun 29 01:31:58 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:31:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock File Problem
Message-ID: <200206281731.58802.dreamboy@aros.net>

I have Mailman 2.0.11 installed on my server and I have a mailinglist with 
about 8,000 users. I notice that sometimes when I go into the admin section
and I try to do administration tasks it starts to have problems. I will
sometimes get messages from the script saying "We're sorry, we hit
a bug!". I notice that it creates these lock files in the /home/mailman/locks
that never leave. Is there a solution to this problem?






From jotd2k at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 29 09:44:50 2002
From: jotd2k at yahoo.com (Mark Moshe Kaye)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailowner got bad listname ?
Message-ID: <20020629074450.20120.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I would appreciate some help with the following :

Just upgraded to qmail 1.03 from sendmail.

Anytime I try to send an email to the
<list>-admin at host.com address I am getting the
following error in my maillog :

delivery 18: deferral:
Mailman_error:_mailowner_got_bad_listname:_<list>/

I added the preline to the alias files as well with no
change.

I *did* have to replace the wrapper with one compiled
to work with the nofiles group.

Any ideas would be appreciated !
Moshe



__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com




From frankose at ifi.uio.no  Sat Jun 29 12:39:32 2002
From: frankose at ifi.uio.no (Frank Olaf Sem-Jacobsen)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:39:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists mailaddress
Message-ID: <000801c21f59$416ce080$0200000a@zepplin>

Is it possible to change the mailadress of my list?  I am runnning mailman on a local machine with some sick adress, but it is to be used with a .com domain with email forwarding.  I want mailman to report the adress list at domain.com instead of listname at local.machine.  Is this possible?

Regards, Frank Olaf Sem-Jacobsen
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From jonc at haht.com  Sat Jun 29 21:49:23 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:49:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists mailaddress
In-Reply-To: <000801c21f59$416ce080$0200000a@zepplin>
References: <000801c21f59$416ce080$0200000a@zepplin>
Message-ID: <200206291943.g5TJhnH16214@salsa.haht.com>

This is purely a function of your MTA.  If you do nothing but Mailing lists 
from this machine, you can set Sendmail (or whatever MTA you are using) to 
masquerade as "domain.com".  Then all mail originating from there will be 
marked as ... at domain.com.

You can also use the Generics tables to get Sendmail to only masquerade 
specific email addresses and not all.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Saturday 29 June 2002 06:39 am, Frank Olaf Sem-Jacobsen wrote:
> Is it possible to change the mailadress of my list?  I am runnning
> mailman on a local machine with some sick adress, but it is to be used
> with a .com domain with email forwarding.  I want mailman to report the
> adress list at domain.com <mailto:list at domain.com>  instead of
> listname at local.machine <mailto:listname at local.machine> .  Is this
> possible?
>
> Regards, Frank Olaf Sem-Jacobsen




From csf at incose.propagation.net  Sun Jun 30 04:55:06 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:55:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest error and multiple copies of the digest
Message-ID: <01dd01c21fe1$8aca4690$0200a8c0@SSLPphaedra>

Getting the following error when digest is sent, followed by multiple copies
of the digest sent to digest subscribers.

Jun 29 16:32:01 2002 (17194) Delivery exception: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
Jun 29 16:32:01 2002 (17194) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 86, in
process
    fp.write(msgtext)
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

Mailman 2.0.11
Python 1.5.2
Any ideas?

-Cassandra





From root at dns2.orra.gob.pe  Fri Jun 28 01:59:48 2002
From: root at dns2.orra.gob.pe (root)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:59:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems -with -mailman
Message-ID: <200206272359.g5RNxmn27732@dns2.orra.gob.pe>

Good Mailman

S.O. Linux 7.2 Redhat
Python-1.5.2-35
Sendmail-8.11.6-3
Mailman 2.0.6-1

- All the configuration was complited

- The install was OK

- The check_perms script  ---> No problems found

- In Final sysstem set-up
            - httpd.conf was configurated
            - crontab crontab.in
            -  hooking sednmail with mailman (do not  run)
            - add mailman in aliases
- Run newaliases and sendmail

- mmsitepass ---my site ---

- Create list test and add in aliases

- My aliases file is :

         mailman: free_rock_bc at hotmail.com
         mailman-owner :mailman
         test : mailman
         test-admin: test
         test-request: test
         test-owner:test-admin

- My access file contain all the domain permited for my server

- In http://-----------/mailman/listinfo/test

- Suscribing the members in the list

- I login with administrator count  - and select membership management  and   
   add lines of the address the members


My Problem

- When I send email at the list :

- do not send to members (I have members in the list )


	  - only recive the list address

            -  not see archives of the list


Please , send me all information of the mailman configuration and  files 
configuration of the sendmail for hooking with mailman

thanks
The install was OK

- The check_perms script  ---> No problems found

- In Final sysstem set-up
            - httpd.conf was configurated
            - crontab crontab.in
            -  hooking sednmail with mailman (do not  run)
            - add mailman in aliases
- Run newaliases and sendmail

- mmsitepass ---my site ---

- Create list test and add in aliases

- My aliases file is :

         mailman: free_rock_bc at hotmail.com
         mailman-owner :mailman
         test : mailman
         test-admin: test
         test-request: test
         test-owner:test-admin

- My access file contain all the domain permited for my server

- In http://-----------/mailman/listinfo/test

- Suscribing the members in the list

- I login with administrator count  - and select membership management  and   
   add lines of the address the members


My Problem

- When I send email at the list :

- do not send to members (I have members in the list )


	  - only recive the list address

            -  not see archives of the list


Please , send me all information of the mailman configuration and  files 
configuration of the sendmail for hooking with mailman

thanks




From fred at bytesforall.org  Sat Jun 29 11:02:39 2002
From: fred at bytesforall.org (Frederick Noronha)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:32:39 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Query about e-mail commands (response)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206291427440.745-100000@localhost.localdomain>

I recently tried to subscribe 20-30 persons to one of my lists via
email. This was my experience:

* The first email contained about ten one-line commands
	subscribe listname nodigest address=whatever at yahoo.com

* To my suprise only the first line's address gave a return message saying
that it had got subscribed.

Does this mean:

(i) the others didn't get subscribed
(ii) others got subscribed but didn't show
(iii) I need to send separate commands for each address?

Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong?

FN
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