[Mailman-Users] Help

Tue May 14 05:10:24 CEST 2002

	Well bully for you.  Its just fine that you like it.  I like it as well 
just wish that it was not such a pain in the butt to do anything other than 
the EXACT way the programmers dictate that they be done.  The fact is that 
the software is nit flexible at all.  If you know anything about 
programming other than being able to spout technobabble you will know what 
I mean by that and that I am 100% accurate in saying it.
	Keep in mind that pure numbers has no relation what so ever with quality 
or anything else.  If such a relationship did exist then AOL would be the 
best software ever to hit the net and cockroaches would be the most 
intelligent species on the face of the Earth.
	Mailman is not even close to as flexible and easy to use as 
Majordomo.  You don't have to worry about all these FORCED "options" that 
Mailman has.  You don't have to keep track of all kinds of web pages that 
are not even needed to run a mailing list.  You don't have to hack your 
system every time you want to set up a list option.  All you need to do is 
set a single config file and run your list spam free for years.
	Of course if you are a anal retentive power junkie who has to feel like 
you control aspect of a simple mailing list (as if was ever making any 
difference to the operations thereof) you can add all these absurd FORCED 
passwords, headers, queues of unrequested mail, etc.  You don't have to put 
up with any of that sort of junk with majordomo.  (BTW the hack you 
suggested in the FAQ is asinine.  It also deletes all subscription requests 
from making it to the admin.  Your suggestions is akin to suggesting that 
one burn down their house because a light bulb is burnt out.
	If the programmers are so thin skinned that they cannot handle someone 
pointing out shortcoming in heir code then they need to find other 
work.  It comes with the territory.  When you release code you will get 
feedback that with at least some frequency does not gloss over everything 
and pretend that the said code is absolutely perfect.

:)
Enjoy!


At 10:49 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
 >Many of us love Mailman, and have been using it for what it was designed
 >for, with whatever assumptions the developer(s) had in mind, for quite some
 >time.
 >
 >Considering that the software is Open Source, and that the developer(s) has
 >not charged you for it's use, or the owners/administrators of the server you
 >are using, you've got quite a damn good deal!
 >
 >I suppose you could learn some programming and develop your own list that
 >works perfectly for you, and you could ASS-U-ME for only your needs, and no
 >one elses.  Or you could use any one of the other commercial programs that
 >are available, and pay some big bucks to do so.  You might even get exactly
 >what you want, too.
 >
 >As far as comparing Mailman to Majordomo, Mailman in my opinion is way
 >superior.  But you do have options.  You could find a hosting company that
 >offers Majordomo.  It's a pain, I know,  but then, that might be easier for
 >you in the long run, and then the developers who offered this software for
 >no cost and made it available to you and your server's owner wouldn't need
 >to read silly words that are in effect, insulting.
 >
 >Perhaps the biggest Ass is, in fact, you.
 >
 >> 	Herein lies the rub with the mailman program.  The
 >> programmers ASS-U-ME
 >> that everyone using the software as full access to the server on which it
 >> is run.  Many users have this in a shared server environment and these
 >> "wonderful" patches to make up for short comings in the software
 >> are not an
 >> alternative.  The software basically is not too bad.  The fact there is
 >> very little that a list owner can set up to his liking without hacking a
 >> lot of places is troubling.  All of this type of things should
 >> not even be
 >> an issue.  There should be options in the admin interface to
 >> handle all of
 >> this.  Majordomo is SO simple and straight forward.  All you do is set a
 >> single config file and bang you are on the way.  With this you
 >> have to hack
 >> here to fix this and there to fix that so that eventually you
 >> have no clue
 >> what all has ben done!
 >> 	The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at
 >> all.  It is
 >> merely a cover up.  The messages are still queued up and stored.
 >> All that
 >> happens is that a cron job nukes them.  Heck bounced messages should NOT
 >> default to being stored anyway.  You should have to enable it if you want
 >> it.  The whole purpose of closing a list is to not get crap mail that you
 >> dont want.  If I wanted to have to approve mail i would have set it up to
 >> be moderated.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> At 10:05 AM 5/14/2002 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote:
 >>  >
 >>  >Hey man,
 >>  >
 >>  >Read the FAQ! Topic on: How do I automatically delete held messages?
 >>  >
 >>  >Lewis
 >>  >
 >>  >At 06:18 PM 5/13/02 -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
 >>  >>I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post.  I
 >> keep getting
 >>  >>these emails each time a non-subscriber tries to post saying
 >> that I have
 >>  >>to go approve or reject the post.  Hey guess what, I made it closed
 >>  >>because I DONT want these posts.  Go figure!  So tell me how
 >> do I make it
 >>  >>stop sending me these emails and adding all of these tasks to an admin
 >>  >>queue when it is blatantly obvious that I dont want the posts
 >> in the first
 >>  >>place.  if I did i would not have closed the list.
 >>  >
 >>  >
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