[Mailman-Users] Re: [Exim] Re: Exim 4.05 & Mailiman - Missing the Directors Configuration (update)

[Mike Gifford]

Thanks for the response..  However, my local install of exim 3.30-2
seemed to be holding onto a few of my message.  An upgrade to exim
3.33-4 spit out a couple of messages from June (including this one that
you just responded to)..

Would still like to know if there is an easy way to set up exim 4 & a
stable version of mailman.

Mike

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 14:02, Dave C. wrote:
> 
> 
> The 'router drivers' in exim4 have been seriously revamped from the
> exim3 routers and directors. There is in fact no longer a 'smartuser'
> driver. I beleive some of its functionality has been incorporated into 
> the new 'accept' and 'redirect' router drivers.
> 
> Somewhere in the exim4 documentation there should be a document on
> converting from exim3 to exim4, that will probably answer a lot of your
> questions.
> 
> You could even make up a working exim3 config, and user the 'convert4r4'
> utility included with exim4 - it not perfect, but it might get you to a
> reasonable starting point. You'll have to fully understand how the
> sample exim3 configs given with mailman work, and then have to research
> how to accomplish the same thing in exim4.
> 
> I cant imagine that there isnt someone on this list successfully using
> mailman with exim4, perhaps they will speak up with a sample exim4
> config.. I have previously used mailman (with exim3) I have since
> switched to exim4, but am no longer using mailman.  I will be back in my 
> office Tuesday - if you havent got it my then drop me a line and I will 
> see if I can give some further help.
> 
> 
> On 16 Jul 2002, Mike Gifford wrote:
> 
> > Hello Again,
> > 
> > > | I'm assuming now that the Directors Config area in the runtime
> > > | configuration file has been removed in 4.x
> > > Correct.  exim4 was revamped, and the router/director distinction was
> > > removed.
> > 
> > Ok..  So when mailman's README.EXIM tells me to put files in the
> > Directors section, this should be the same as putting it in the ROUTERS
> > CONFIGURATION section as exim is no longer distinguishing between the
> > two.
> > 
> > > | If so does anyone have any suggestions on the modifications required
> > > | to a 4.05 setting to get mailman & exim cooperating?
> > > Convert the example director to a router.
> > 
> > I've tried to do this... I can't see how it would need any more
> > configuration..  However exim 4.05 seems to dislike the driver =
> > smartuser in the following (Now at the bottom of the Routers Config
> > section):
> > 
> > list_owner_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    suffix = "-owner"
> >    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> > 
> > 
> > The error it gives me is as follows:
> > 
> > [root at learningpartnership exim.mike]# bin/exim -C configure -bV
> > Exim version 4.05 #3 built 13-Jul-2002 23:35:22
> > Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2002
> > 2002-07-16 10:31:21 Exim configuration error in line 438:
> >   router list_owner_director: cannot find router driver "smartuser"
> > 
> > 
> > I've been searching for info on this error, but I can't seem to find
> > much of interest.  Does exim 4.05 support a smartuser driver or has this
> > concept too been revised.
> > 
> > > The Mailman 2.1 CVS tree has instructions on using exim4.
> > 
> > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/README.EXIM?rev=2.4&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
> > 
> > >From this I'm guessing that
> > 	driver = smartuser
> > should be replaced by
> > 	driver = accept
> > 
> > But pretty much every line in the exim config looks like it would need
> > to be rewritten as
> > 	suffix = -request
> > 	new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> > 	(and likely others)
> > 	prefix = "owner-"
> > 
> > all need to be rewritten for 4.0.5
> > 
> > > I'm sure you can combine the data in the mailman instructions and
> > > exim's spec to create the necessary transports and routers tailored to
> > > your usage of mailman.  If you have specific questions about certain
> > > options or something, then by all means ask.
> > 
> > The are very different and I don't know enough about exim or mailman to
> > wade through the code and try to find something that 'may' work via
> > trial & error.  Could take years..
> > 
> > Is there a way to rewrite this easily for exim 4.05?  What other
> > instructions are no longer useful in the new exim and can I just replace
> > them?
> > 
> > list_owner_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    suffix = "-owner"
> >    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> > 
> > owner_list_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    prefix = "owner-"
> >    new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
> > 
> > ##
> > ## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the
> > appropriate
> > ## transport.  List existence is checked as above.
> > 
> > list_admin_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    suffix = -admin
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    transport = list_admin_transport
> > 
> > list_request_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    suffix = -request
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    transport = list_request_transport
> > 
> > list_director:
> >    driver = smartuser
> >    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
> >    transport = list_transport
> > 
> > > (I haven't personally
> > > configured mailman so I can't really give any better info than that)
> > 
> > That makes it harder..  I didn't think I was doing anything too
> > groundbreaking here..  this isn't the alpha release of exim..  Had hoped
> > that others using mailman had upgraded to a more current version of exim
> > than 3.33 and would have experience (and config pointers) to share.
> > 
> > Mike
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