From cameron at cameron.co.nz Tue Apr 1 04:54:47 2003 From: cameron at cameron.co.nz (Martin Cameron) Date: 31 Mar 2003 14:54:47 -1200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim/MailScanner Message-ID: <1049165689.25463.39.camel@casablanca> I have installed 2.1 on a system with Exim and Mailscanner. The email is getting to /mailscanner/qfiles/in/ but not being delivered on to the list members. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Apr 1 02:30:19 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:30:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List size In-Reply-To: ; from jsullivan@mlsnet.com on Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:41:01PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030331193019.B17992@dogpound.vnet.net> * Sullivan, John (jsullivan at mlsnet.com) wrote: > I have list set up that I want to send a newsletter out to. The Iist is > about 50000 addresses. > > Will Mailman and sendmail be able to handle that? It all depends on the system setup. With a good portion of RAM, a clear connection, and quick access to a DNS server, it should be fairly smooth. A local DNS server will speed things up. > Also how are the emails sent out when I click send? Is the entire list > spooled and then sent out or does it do it in chunks - This process is handled by the MTA. mailman hands off the mail to sendmail and then sendmail processes the queue, usually host at a time. Which means if one host isnt' resolving, the rest of the queue will have to wait til that host timesout. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ The best way to accelerate a Mac is at 9.8 m / sec^2. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Apr 1 02:31:18 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:31:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists not showing up in listinfo In-Reply-To: ; from listmom@travellercentral.com on Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:48:18AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20030331193118.C17992@dogpound.vnet.net> * Listmom (listmom at travellercentral.com) wrote: > Greetings all. > > I'm having a small problem after moving a list to a new server. > > After importing all the files located under mailman/lists, I can no longer > see the public lists when I go to http://lists.doman.com/mailman/listinfo Did you run the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script? -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ An algorithm must be seen to be believed. - D. E. Knuth From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Apr 1 03:04:35 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:04:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030401010435.GB5051@hq.newdream.net> On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 03:57:47PM -0500, Sullivan, John wrote: > OK - But how do I get lists.mlsnet.com to relay mail to the mlsnet.com > mail server. Subcribers from the mlsnet.com domain are not receiving > any news letters sent out from the lists.mlsnet.com server. I am > getting a connection timed out when it tries to contact the external > MX records. > > I have added an entry in my hosts file that looks like this: > > 10.10.10.1 mlsnet.com > > > which is the internal ip of the mlsnet.com mail server. This isn't a mailman question, but rather a MTA configuration question. What's the result of (from lists.mlsnet.com): % dig mlsnet.com mx % cat /etc/resolv.conf Can you send normal mail from that machine to users at mlsnet.com? In other words, does something like this: % echo 'blah' | mail -s "test" luser at mlsnet.com (where luser at mlsnet.com is a valid address at this domain) work? What is in your logs? -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Apr 1 03:06:38 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:06:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Internal Domain Resolution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030401010638.GC5051@hq.newdream.net> On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:10:59PM -0500, Sullivan, John wrote: > Here is a chunk of the maillog file. > > > Mar 31 12:01:57 localhost sendmail[780]: h2SKs2Rg011995: > to=, delay=2+20:07:55, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, > pri=6439538, relay=mail.majorleaguesoccer.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: > Connection timed out with mail.majorleaguesoccer.com. > > Mar 31 12:01:57 localhost sendmail[780]: h2R14iRf002505: > to=<90minutes at mlsnet.com>, delay=4+15:57:12, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, > pri=10488802, relay=mail.majorleaguesoccer.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: > Connection timed out with mail.majorleaguesoccer.com. Can you reach port 25 on mail.majorleaguesoccer.com from the lists machine? Does this work? % telnet mail.majorleaguesoccer.com smtp Sounds like a networking (or maybe DNS resolution) problem. -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore From jam at jamux.com Tue Apr 1 15:00:45 2003 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 08:00:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record In-Reply-To: <20030401010435.GB5051@hq.newdream.net> (Will Yardley's message of "Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:04:35 -0800") References: <20030401010435.GB5051@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <87he9ie5j6.fsf@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> "Will" == Will Yardley >>>>> "[Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record" >>>>> Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:04:35 -0800 Will> This isn't a mailman question, but rather a MTA Will> configuration question. Often useful are the tools at . For one thing, investigating from outside the local environs will sometimes reveal stuff different than what is seen from within strangely configured surroundings. jam -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+iY1hUEvv1b/iXy8RAl/sAKCVyd6DhjVVCGhB6hc7uLzTxG/mlQCgmqzl kQnnKTwlNn7WyngUPy2BrJA= =yqAl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From georgem at gapent.com Tue Apr 1 15:09:44 2003 From: georgem at gapent.com (George Matyjewicz) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 08:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject disappeared In-Reply-To: <87he9ie5j6.fsf@athene.jamux.com> References: <20030401010435.GB5051@hq.newdream.net> <20030401010435.GB5051@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030401080705.01523870@128.121.218.67> Hi: I've been successfully using Mailman for E-Tailer's Digest which is a moderated discussion list digest. Today the digest went out without a subject, even though there was one there when sent to the list. Nothing has changed in the admin section. Where do I look? TIA George _______________________________________________________ Dr. George Matyjewicz, Chief Global Strategist GAP Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.gapent.com/ Moderator of E-Tailer's Digest http://www.etailersdigest.com/ Automated Press Releases http://www.automatedpr.com/ E-Gold Account # 193274 From b at grabbarna.nu Tue Apr 1 15:35:19 2003 From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_footer personal admin page reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I like to adjust the msg_footer so that it instead of refereing to the > > general admin page for all users > > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s > > would refer to the personal admin page, maybe something like > > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(list_name)s/%(email_of_subscriber)s > > I mean I like to use the same footer as this mailinglist are using: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/b%40grabbarna.nu > What is the variable name to produce the email address on the end of that > line? I search google and find a hint about "%(user_delivered_to)s" but it didn't work :-( /Jan From matt at minahangroup.com Tue Apr 1 16:07:28 2003 From: matt at minahangroup.com (Matt Minahan) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:07:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content Filter Puzzle Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030401090650.02e20e38@mail.speakeasy.net> Dear Mailfolk, we're running a text-only list using Mm 2.1.1 on Red Hat Linux. I have the content filter set up to reject all of the following: content-type: .*octet content-type: .*oda content-type: .*audio content-type: .*image content-type: .*alternative content-type: .*digest content-type: .*mixed content-type: .*related content-type: .*rich content-type: .*html content-type: .*video The pass mime types is set up for text/plain, and the action is "reject." My problem: Mm seems to be sending out two different messages to the sender when an incoming message gets filtered. Sometimes -- and I can't figure out when -- it's sending out: "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed" And other times, it's sending out: "Your mail to 'Odnet-test2' with the subject test Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has a suspicious header" The content/type of the incoming message in both cases is text/html, so I don't understand why Mm would treat them differently. Any ideas about why the same content/type would trigger different actions by Mm? Thanks. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Matt Minahan, Ed.D Organization Strategy, Design, and Development http://www.minahangroup.com Ph: 301-625-0101 email:matt at minahangroup.com Fx: 301-625-0202 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From mailman at lists.rupa.com Tue Apr 1 17:55:16 2003 From: mailman at lists.rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:55:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in passwd reminder Message-ID: Thoughts? Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 216, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 143, in main password = mlist.getMemberPassword(member) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in getMemberPassword raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: FOO at hotmail.com -- -rupa From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org Tue Apr 1 21:19:04 2003 From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:19:04 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How To Change Header and Footer Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E381@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Newbie Question: We are using the latest version of Mailman on a RedHat Linux 8.0 box, running the latest version of Sendmail as the MTA. I need to add a custom header, which includes our "logo" and "branding", to the HTML pages for every list. I have also been asked to remove the GNU and Mailman logos from the footer of all the HTML pages. I have tried the admin pages for editing the HTML and I've gone through the HTML pages in /var/mailman/data. However, I still haven't identified where to make these changes. Does anyone know? Has anyone done this before? Any info would help! From JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com Tue Apr 1 22:11:54 2003 From: JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com (Jeff Schoby) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:11:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User setting for monthly password reminder being ignored. Message-ID: I have a user on a list who complained today about getting a monthly password reminder after he specifically set in his options screen to NOT have it sent. I double checked his settings/options page and he is indeed correct...it is set to not email him his monthly password reminder....and yet..he got one. Bug? Is there a fix/update for this? Thanks -Jeff ------------------------------------------ Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin City of Columbia, Missouri jas at ci.columbia.mo.us 573.874.6320 From boettiger at pobox.com Wed Apr 2 01:55:05 2003 From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:55:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosting Message-ID: I'm using 2.0 on a VPS account at Verio. 2.1 won't install properly but I need it to have the multiple virtual domains feature of 2.1. Is there anyone on this list who has successfully installed 2.1 on a VPS? AB From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Apr 2 07:09:39 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:09:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg_footer personal admin page reference In-Reply-To: ; from b@grabbarna.nu on Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 03:35:19PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20030402000939.D21976@dogpound.vnet.net> > I search google and find a hint about "%(user_delivered_to)s" but it > didn't work :-( http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg13981.html Try that, and see if that sheds any light on the subject. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!! From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Apr 2 07:14:24 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:14:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How To Change Header and Footer In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E381@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org>; from Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org on Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 11:19:04AM -0800 References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E381@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Message-ID: <20030402001424.E21976@dogpound.vnet.net> * Staven Bruce (Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org) wrote: > We are using the latest version of Mailman on a RedHat Linux 8.0 box, > running the latest version of Sendmail as the MTA. I need to add a custom > header, which includes our "logo" and "branding", to the HTML pages for > every list. I have also been asked to remove the GNU and Mailman logos from > the footer of all the HTML pages. I have tried the admin pages for editing > the HTML and I've gone through the HTML pages in /var/mailman/data. However, > I still haven't identified where to make these changes. Does anyone know? > Has anyone done this before? Any info would help! try $prefix/templates That would be a good place to check as well. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Disk full - press F1 to belch. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Apr 2 07:16:39 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:16:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User setting for monthly password reminder being ignored. In-Reply-To: ; from JAS@GoColumbiaMO.com on Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 02:11:54PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030402001639.F21976@dogpound.vnet.net> * Jeff Schoby (JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com) wrote: > I have a user on a list who complained today about getting a monthly > password reminder after he specifically set in his options screen to NOT > have it sent. I double checked his settings/options page and he is > indeed correct...it is set to not email him his monthly password > reminder....and yet..he got one. > > Bug? Might just be. But what versions are you running? mailman version, python version? -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ SYSTEM ERROR: press F13 to continue... From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Apr 2 07:17:50 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:17:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in passwd reminder In-Reply-To: ; from mailman@lists.rupa.com on Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 07:55:16AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20030402001750.G21976@dogpound.vnet.net> * Rupa Schomaker (mailman at lists.rupa.com) wrote: > Thoughts? > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 216, in ? > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds", line 143, in main > password = mlist.getMemberPassword(member) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in getMemberPassword > raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member > Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: FOO at hotmail.com Is FOO at hotmail.com actually a member or not? Does he show up on the membership list? -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Conformity obstructs progress. From b at grabbarna.nu Wed Apr 2 08:12:22 2003 From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:12:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted spaces in subject Message-ID: Hi, I get unwanted spaces in the subject line between "[mylist]" and "the subject itself". Sometimes it's just one space but most times it is two spaces. I have checked and the subject_prefix is "[mylist] " (yes, one trailing space). When I tested to remove that trailing space the subject-line went like "[mylist]the subject"... urg. So anyone got an idea/sollution to what is causing the subject to contain unwanted spaces? Thanks, Jan From willemv at datapro.co.za Wed Apr 2 13:40:23 2003 From: willemv at datapro.co.za (willem vermeulen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:40:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personlized mails Message-ID: <200304021340.23538.willemv@datapro.co.za> hi there, i want to send emails to individuals. Each mail is addressed to the person eg Dear bob, willem From mic at npgx.com.au Wed Apr 2 14:36:43 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:36:43 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Unknown Message-ID: <20030402123335.M86425@npgx.com.au> Hi, I'm brand new to Mailman. I've created a Mailing list "test" and subscribed to the list via my email address, the message gets sent as: test-request at mydomain.com But when I click the reply button, and then click send, I get the following: Apr 2 22:35:37 pcserv sendmail[25359]: h32CZaDm025359: ... User unknown Any ideas how to fix this? Your help is appreciated. Michael. From a.carter at cordis.lu Wed Apr 2 15:07:09 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:07:09 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Unknown In-Reply-To: <20030402123335.M86425@npgx.com.au> References: <20030402123335.M86425@npgx.com.au> Message-ID: <200304021507.09768.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Have you updated your aliases and run newalias for your list? Anthony On Wednesday 02 April 2003 14:36, Michael Mansour wrote: > Hi, > > I'm brand new to Mailman. > > I've created a Mailing list "test" and subscribed to the list via my email > address, the message gets sent as: > > test-request at mydomain.com > > But when I click the reply button, and then click send, I get the > following: > > > Apr 2 22:35:37 pcserv sendmail[25359]: h32CZaDm025359: > ... User unknown > > Any ideas how to fix this? > > Your help is appreciated. > > Michael. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at intrasoft.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40intrasoft.l >u From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 2 16:29:54 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:29:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Unknown In-Reply-To: <20030402123335.M86425@npgx.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030402152215.00ab0498@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 13:36 02/04/2003, Michael Mansour wrote: >Hi, > >I'm brand new to Mailman. > >I've created a Mailing list "test" and subscribed to the list via my email >address, the message gets sent as: > >test-request at mydomain.com > >But when I click the reply button, and then click send, I get the following: > > >Apr 2 22:35:37 pcserv sendmail[25359]: h32CZaDm025359: >... User unknown This is your MTA (sendmail) telling you it does not know about the list's mail alias(es). Have you added the list's mail aliases to the sendmail aliases file and rebuilt the sendmail aliases database? Typically, on Linux, you should have added the new list's mail aliases to a file such as /etc/mail/aliases and run make in the directory /etc/mail or some similar incantation depending on the brand of *nix you are running. >Any ideas how to fix this? > >Your help is appreciated. > >Michael. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Apr 2 17:29:25 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:29:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] personlized mails In-Reply-To: <200304021340.23538.willemv@datapro.co.za>; from willemv@datapro.co.za on Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:40:23PM +0200 References: <200304021340.23538.willemv@datapro.co.za> Message-ID: <20030402102925.A24235@dogpound.vnet.net> * willem vermeulen (willemv at datapro.co.za) wrote: > i want to send emails to individuals. Each mail is addressed to the person eg > Dear bob, > > willem Goto http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg13981.html That will give you a rundown of what you need to configure for personalized messages. Then after the personilization is enabled, goto the non-digest option page and look at the help file there. It will give you a list of variables to use. (Since I have it pulled up.. I'll paste them here) These additional substitution variables will be available for your headers and footers, when this feature is enabled: user_address - The address of the user, coerced to lower case. user_delivered_to - The case-preserved address that the user is subscribed with. user_password - The user's password. user_name - The user's full name. user_optionsurl - The url to the user's option page. This is only available in mailman 2.1 and up. mailman 2.0.X does not have this capability. And to get the user's name in the emails, you must have their name in the membership list. Keep the cat off the keyboard, they're notorious for sitting on keys. Your email had about 10 pages at least of white space. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ B.Gates : quality software :: R.McDonald : gourmet cuisine From ben at cenozoa.com Wed Apr 2 18:27:06 2003 From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:27:06 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help accessing admin web site Message-ID: <1049299774.1876.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mailman version : 2.0.9 it came installed by default on my redhat linux 7.3 hosted virtual server. I can't access the admin page for any list, when i go to my admin page and try to log in with either my global admin password, or with the site passwords I get rejected. I have tried this from linux with mozilla, netscape, opera and from windows with ie and mozilla. I double checked the cookie settings, and other site's with login cookies are working. All the other sections of the web site work, user login, and user updating of preferences, as well as list page - just the admin section is funky. Can anyone please help me with this, I have posted to this list about this about a week ago, but didn't get anywhere. Thanks! Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer ------------------------------------------------- Cenozoa Corporation 33 Little West 12th St. #106A New York, NY 10014 http://www.cenozoa.com From dgookin at wambooli.com Wed Apr 2 18:48:51 2003 From: dgookin at wambooli.com (Dan Gookin) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:48:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation woes Message-ID: I'm really excited about switching my newsletter list from majordomo over to Mailman, but I'm having an installation issue I thought I'd run by you all. I'm on FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE (just updated yesterday). I only have Python 2.2, but I'm not certain that's my issue. According to the README.BSD I used: make DIRGETGID=: install But make comes back with: >Creating architecture independent directories... >chmod o-r /usr/local/mailman/archives/private >Creating architecture dependent directories... >make: don't know how to make install. Stop >*** Error code 2 > >Stop in /usr/local/mailman-2.1.1. Any help would be appreciated. I admit that I am not a FreeBSD expert, but I am willing to learn. TIA. DAN From neil at pacifier.com Wed Apr 2 20:17:48 2003 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:17:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation question Message-ID: My ISP just switched from majordomo to mailman. On majordomo, I had it setup that only the moderators could post to the list (this is an announcement only list). Now, since the transition this morning my list is wide open. I want to know how to make it so only moderators and me (admin) can post to the list? I will look over the documentation for mailman but at this point it is an emergency because users will start posting to the list and many people will leave (this is supposed to be a low volume announcement list). Thanks. Neil From JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com Wed Apr 2 20:16:15 2003 From: JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com (Jeff Schoby) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:16:15 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User setting for monthly password reminder being ignored. Message-ID: Using mailman 2.1 and python 2.3a1 ------------------------------------------ Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin City of Columbia, Missouri jas at ci.columbia.mo.us 573.874.6320 >>> Matthew Davis 04/01/03 11:16PM >>> Might just be. But what versions are you running? mailman version, python version? From khera at kcilink.com Wed Apr 2 20:57:50 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:57:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16011.12974.428902.174826@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "DG" == Dan Gookin writes: DG> According to the README.BSD I used: DG> make DIRGETGID=: install DG> But make comes back with: Just skip that whole bit and let it install with setgid. It is less painful to do so. Even though the setgid bit is unnecessary in the BSD file system, it is mostly harmless to be there. The only side effect is that if you have nightly scripts that scan for setuid/setgid file changes, these get picked up sometimes. Also, I think that some other scripts in Mailman now check for setgid and complain and they are not affected by the above option to make. Anyhow, if you're using FreeBSD, just go ahead and use the Mailman port -- that's what I do ;-) From tag at cs.utah.edu Wed Apr 2 21:03:45 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List weirdness (actions not being taken) Message-ID: <200304021903.h32J3jK29019@faith.cs.utah.edu> We recently migrated from majordomo to mailman and created all the lists via a perl script. 99% of the lists transfered just fine however some of them seem to fail to actually perform their actions though mailman thinks that they did. For example a user tried to subcribe, got the confirmation but dumping the database shows he's not in the list (nor is the request pending in requests.db it is a simple confirmation list.) >From the logs: subscribe:Apr 02 11:19:51 2003 (17495) hsci: pending Eric Eide 155.98.63.200 subscribe:Apr 02 11:20:27 2003 (17498) hsci: new "edited" subscribe:Apr 02 11:23:23 2003 (17518) hsci: pending Eric Eide 155.98.63.200 subscribe:Apr 02 11:23:43 2003 (17520) hsci: new "edited" I've replaced the actual email addr with "edited". If I delete the list with rmlist and create it via the web interface all is fine. Here is a difference of the config.pck before and after the list was removed and recreated: diff hsci_old.dumpdb hsci_new.dumpdb 33c33 < 'created_at': 1048126881.44232, --- > 'created_at': 1049309007.866532, 37c37 < 'description': 'Hsci', --- > 'description': 'High School Computing Initiative', 83c83 < 'next_request_id': 21, --- > 'next_request_id': 1, 109c109 < 'subject_prefix': '[Hsci] ', --- > 'subject_prefix': u'[Hsci] ', All the perms on files also look fine (at least not different than any other list we're running.) We're running on Solaris9, with Python 2.2.2, and Mailman 2.1.1 Thanks, Todd From chris.a.adams at state.or.us Wed Apr 2 21:16:10 2003 From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:16:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1? Message-ID: <001501c2f94c$51ccc440$0b7a799f@chris> Some list owners report the following. Seeing the permissions problem with the error file, I changed the permissions, which at least allows owners to get into their admin pages (they couldn't before). However, now it appears the nobody can post. The mailq doesn't seem to be processing, even though I flushed it (I am using Postfix). All posted messages appear in the logs as being sent, yet don't appear to be stuck in the queue. I am unsure as to how to proceed. I can send messages through the system, so I know that Postfix is working. Any ideas? Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/lists/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main immediate=1) File "/lists/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__ Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) File "/lists/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ self.__get_f() File "/lists/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f 1) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/lists/logs/error' Christopher Adams Library Systems Analyst Oregon State Library 503-378-4243 x258 chris.a.adams at state.or.us From ghhalley at earthlink.net Wed Apr 2 21:16:12 2003 From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:16:12 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderation question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1386031437.20030402111612@earthlink.net> Howdy Neil Under Membership list options, you can set all users to moderate. Then un-set yourself and the moderators. In another config panel you set what happens when messages are received from moderated members. On my Newsletter lists, I set the members posts to discard with notification to admin (several buttons). I think you will find this sufficient. Peace, George Halley --- 10:17:48 AM, you wrote: > My ISP just switched from majordomo to mailman. > On majordomo, I had it setup that only the moderators could post to the > list (this is an announcement only list). > Now, since the transition this morning my list is wide open. I want to > know how to make it so only moderators and me (admin) can post to the > list? > I will look over the documentation for mailman but at this point it is an > emergency because users will start posting to the list and many people > will leave (this is supposed to be a low volume announcement list). > Thanks. > Neil > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > This message was sent to: GHHalley at earthlink.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ghhalley%40earthlink.net From dgookin at wambooli.com Wed Apr 2 20:28:57 2003 From: dgookin at wambooli.com (Dan Gookin) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:28:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Unknown In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030402152215.00ab0498@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030402152215.00ab0498@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: Richard Barrett wrote: >At 13:36 02/04/2003, Michael Mansour wrote: >>Apr 2 22:35:37 pcserv sendmail[25359]: h32CZaDm025359: >>... User unknown > >This is your MTA (sendmail) telling you it does not know about the >list's mail alias(es). > >Have you added the list's mail aliases to the sendmail aliases file >and rebuilt the sendmail aliases database? Which is better, to add the name to the aliases file or to put it into the virtusertable? Of course, this doesn't just apply to Mailman, but to any user I'm aliasing. Does anyone know the real "rules" about what's an alias and who is a virtual user? My guess is that aliases would be used for real accounts on the system but that virtual users would be programs like Mailman or users who don't have a physical account on system but are using a system address. Thoughts? DAN From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Wed Apr 2 21:31:15 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:31:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User setting for monthly password reminder being ignored. In-Reply-To: ; from JAS@GoColumbiaMO.com on Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 12:16:15PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030402143115.B25164@dogpound.vnet.net> Can you upgrade to mailman 2.1.1? There were a few bug fixes. * Jeff Schoby (JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com) wrote: > Using mailman 2.1 and python 2.3a1 > > > ------------------------------------------ > Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin > City of Columbia, Missouri > jas at ci.columbia.mo.us > 573.874.6320 > > >>> Matthew Davis 04/01/03 11:16PM > >>> > Might just be. But what versions are you running? mailman version, > python > version? > -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Minds are like parachutes, they only work when open. From rick_kuhn at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 03:44:38 2003 From: rick_kuhn at hotmail.com (Rick Kuhn) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word attachments in archive? Message-ID: A list I belong to sends e-mails to members with attachments just fine, but seems to convert the documents to undecipherial code embedded in the message on the web archive. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks, -R- _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dgookin at wambooli.com Thu Apr 3 03:04:50 2003 From: dgookin at wambooli.com (Dan Gookin) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:04:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation woes In-Reply-To: <16011.12974.428902.174826@yertle.int.kciLink.com> References: <16011.12974.428902.174826@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: At 1:57 PM -0500 4/2/03, Vivek Khera wrote: >Just skip that whole bit and let it install with setgid. [snip] >...if you're using FreeBSD, just go ahead and use the Mailman >port -- that's what I do ;-) You're the man! In the README.BSD file. Wow. Glad to make your acquaintance. I did that already, but I'm still having trouble. I cannot get it to install from the mailman-2.1.1 directory at all. Question: I am told NOT to do it as root, yet I'm getting permission violations up the ying-yang when I run ./configure. /usr/local/mailman is configured as it says in the INSTALL doc; it's owned by "mailman" (both) and the permissions are drwxrwxsr-x. Yet it won't install. Granted, I don't fully understand all the setuid/setgid stuff with the tiny s in there and all that. My temptation is just to go ahead and install as root, but the instructions say specifically NOT to. And this still doesn't address that Make doesn't understand "install." DAN From dallas at dreamhost.com Thu Apr 3 05:03:00 2003 From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:03:00 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] large messages make qrunner hang? Message-ID: Hi, With mailman 2.0.13, do you ever have problems with large messages causing the qrunner process to stick or hang? Is there some feature or option I can turn off to prevent this from happening? It seems to happen with messages in the > 3 or 4 MB range. Dallas From khera at kcilink.com Thu Apr 3 05:16:19 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation woes In-Reply-To: References: <16011.12974.428902.174826@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <16011.42883.382052.815506@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "DG" == Dan Gookin writes: DG> At 1:57 PM -0500 4/2/03, Vivek Khera wrote: >> Just skip that whole bit and let it install with setgid. DG> [snip] >> ...if you're using FreeBSD, just go ahead and use the Mailman >> port -- that's what I do ;-) DG> You're the man! In the README.BSD file. Wow. Glad to make your acquaintance. DG> I did that already, but I'm still having trouble. I cannot get it to DG> install from the mailman-2.1.1 directory at all. here's what I do these days on FreeBSD: cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman make install make clean then follow the final configuration steps from the Mailman install instructions to set up your lists. it creates the users and groups as necessary. worked like a charm the first time i tried it two months ago. upgrades work just as easily with the portupgrade utility. From a.carter at cordis.lu Thu Apr 3 08:24:55 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:24:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help accessing admin web site In-Reply-To: <1049299774.1876.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1049299774.1876.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200304030824.55683.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Use ../mailman/bin/mmsitepass to change the admin password. Then try to log in again. Anthony On Wednesday 02 April 2003 18:09, ben strawbridge wrote: > Mailman version : 2.0.9 > it came installed by default on my redhat linux 7.3 hosted virtual > server. > > I can't access the admin page for any list, when i go to my admin page > and try to log in with either my global admin password, or with the site > passwords I get rejected. I have tried this from linux with mozilla, > netscape, opera and from windows with ie and mozilla. I double checked > the cookie settings, and other site's with login cookies are working. > > All the other sections of the web site work, user login, and user > updating of preferences, as well as list page - just the admin section > is funky. > > Can anyone please help me with this, I have posted to this list about > this about a week ago, but didn't get anywhere. > > Thanks! > > Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer > ------------------------------------------------- > Cenozoa Corporation > 33 Little West 12th St. #106A > New York, NY 10014 > http://www.cenozoa.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From a.carter at cordis.lu Thu Apr 3 08:27:46 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:27:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word attachments in archive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304030827.46755.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Send as plain text instead of MIME. Their e-mail client sounds as though it cannot handle MIME. Done in the admin interface... Anthony On Thursday 03 April 2003 03:44, Rick Kuhn wrote: > A list I belong to sends e-mails to members with attachments just fine, but > seems to convert the documents to undecipherial code embedded in the > message on the web archive. Is there a way to fix this? > > Thanks, > -R- > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From a.carter at cordis.lu Thu Apr 3 08:40:11 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:40:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word attachments in archive? In-Reply-To: <200304030827.46755.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> References: <200304030827.46755.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <200304030840.11627.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Sorry, it is very early in the morning, I think I misread your message...Thought it was the mail not attachments...In the latter case, I don't know the answer, sorry. Anthony On Thursday 03 April 2003 08:27, CARTER Anthony wrote: > Send as plain text instead of MIME. Their e-mail client sounds as though it > cannot handle MIME. > > Done in the admin interface... > > Anthony > > On Thursday 03 April 2003 03:44, Rick Kuhn wrote: > > A list I belong to sends e-mails to members with attachments just fine, > > but seems to convert the documents to undecipherial code embedded in the > > message on the web archive. Is there a way to fix this? > > > > Thanks, > > -R- > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de Thu Apr 3 09:30:05 2003 From: dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Sven Dittmar) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 09:30:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about language of the admin interface Message-ID: <3E8BE2FD.1060007@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi there, we upgraded to mailman-2.1.1 recently. We want to have the whole site speaking German. I change the variable DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'de' and disabled the "US" in the webfrontend. Mailman is speaking German now, but only on the login and general list information pages. Inside the admin interface everything is still in English. Found a hint in the mailman doc of "Command line scripts": ------------------------- addlang Use this to add language support to a specific list. The site itself must have the language pack to add already installed. Note that removing language support from a list requires you to manually rm the lists/yourlist/lang subdirectory. ------------------------- My bin directory only contains add_members check_perms dumpdb list_admins mmsitepass remove_members update arch cleanarch find_member list_lists newlist rmlist version b4b5-archfix clone_member fix_url.py list_members paths.py sync_members withlist change_pw config_list genaliases list_owners paths.pyc transcheck check_db convert.py inject mailmanctl qrunner unshunt A "find . -name addlang" even find nothing in the src tree. What am I doing wrong? How can I get the admin interface speaking a different language? Thanks, Sven From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Apr 3 12:41:08 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:41:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Word attachments in archive? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030403102828.00ab0d48@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 02:44 03/04/2003, Rick Kuhn wrote: >A list I belong to sends e-mails to members with attachments just fine, >but seems to convert the documents to undecipherial code embedded in the >message on the web archive. Is there a way to fix this? I take it that you are running MM 2.0.x? The "undecipherable code" is the encoded form of the attachment which is how attachments are actually transmitted as part of an email; the lines before the "undecipherable code" in the archived message tell you what form of encoding has been used. Effectively, the MM 2.0.x archive is showing you the body of what was actually sent out to the subscribers; typically the MUA of a subscriber is automatically converting the attachments in distributed mail back from their encoded-for-mail-transmission form to their original form. The encoded attachment embedded in the message's archive page is of limited use to the average user. But you can extract the encoded attachment from the archive page's text and use command line tools on UNIX to decode such encoded attachments; the Python base64 module for instance. You have some choices for handling attachments with MM internal archiver: 1. stick with MM 2.0.x and use the following patch to coerce archived mail to plain text, leaving an explanation of what is has done in place of the attachment, and hence remove the attachments from the archive altogether. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=413752&group_id=103 Note that if you use this patch and later upgrade MM 2.0.x to 2.1.1 you need to take an extra step to get clean conversion of your old lists when doing the upgrade. There is a note about this in the MM 2.1.1 UPGRADING file. 2. upgrade to MM 2.1.1 which has the ability to extract attached files from archived mail, store them as separate files in the archive, and leave a links to those files in the body of the archived email. This is a much nicer solution in my view. >Thanks, >-R- > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From a.carter at cordis.lu Thu Apr 3 14:37:23 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:37:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Mailman web interfaces and design Message-ID: <200304031437.23656.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Hi, I am looking for a means of customizing the mailman we pages. I have noticed that some pages can be edited via the interface, but I would like to make more drastic changes (removing links to admin page for example). My first thing that I would like to do is, if possible, to add our own CSSs to the web pages. Does anyone know if this is possible, and if so, where do I start? Thanks, Anthony Carter ------------------------------------------------------- From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Apr 3 14:59:57 2003 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:59:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] trimming archives Message-ID: How do you trim back archives? I presume find {$MAILMAN}/archives/private -name "*.gz" -exec rm "{}" \; would be a bad idea as the indices still think they exist (or would the cronjobs fix this) Thanks =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Apr 3 15:21:35 2003 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:21:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] trimming archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > How do you trim back archives? I presume > > find {$MAILMAN}/archives/private -name "*.gz" -exec rm "{}" \; > > would be a bad idea as the indices still think they exist (or would > the cronjobs fix this) > Before I get a flurry of RTF-faq messages, perhaps I should explain in better detail. Let's say I wanna remove ALL archived data prior to 2003. I could find {$MAILMAN}/archives/private -name "2002-*" -exec rm -rf "{}" \; which will take care of the txt an gzipped files and running {$MAILMAN}/bin/arch `{$MAILMAN}/bin/list_lists` would theoretically rearchive them but the problem is the index.html files for each list still has a stanza for each month. What I'm looking for is an automated way of cleaning things up. I don't wanna have to manually edit the idex.html altho it sounds like I may have to ie something like doing another find for index.html, exec sed where it searches for "2002", go back a line to the beginning of the stanza, delete to EOF, and re-add Yech!!!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From jsullivan at mlsnet.com Thu Apr 3 16:30:18 2003 From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:30:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monitoring Server Message-ID: I have sent a newsletter to 50000 subscribers - The server seems to be running slow - noticeable when I go the MailMan Web administration. Does any one have any pointers for me so I can check: If the server is done sending all of the email out? -I checked the maillog but there is so much info in there its not really helpful in this case. How I can limit the time the server tries sending an email to a particular address - Ive notices a fair amount of undeliverables - and the server seems to try and resend it for a set amount of time. Also anyone know any free tools that will allow me to monitor in real time server processing - cpu load - Ram usage etc... Thanks. John From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Thu Apr 3 16:54:51 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:54:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monitoring Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049381685.8391.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 15:30, Sullivan, John wrote: > If the server is done sending all of the email out? -I checked the maillog > but there is so much info in there its not really helpful in this case. Depends on your MTA - not a Mailman issue. > How I can limit the time the server tries sending an email to a particular > address - Ive notices a fair amount of undeliverables - and the server seems > to try and resend it for a set amount of time. Depends on your MTA - not a Mailman issue > Also anyone know any free tools that will allow me to monitor in real time > server processing - cpu load - Ram usage etc... Depends on your OS. However trying looking at top, sar, mrtg to name a few. Information on optimizing throughput is given in the FAQ - see bottom of every list message for a pointer. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From e.orsenigo at cegportal.com Thu Apr 3 18:17:44 2003 From: e.orsenigo at cegportal.com (Emilio Giulio Orsenigo) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:17:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix + Mailman, "unresolved" aliases... Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403180320.03327088@mail.cegportal.com> Hi all, i have a problem with my installation of Mailman on Postfix; That's the first time i try to install Mailman, so i've read all of the archives and FAQ's before deciding to post on this mailing list :( The (weird) problem is simply this one: my postfix authenticate against a MySQL database, and there are the aliases too. Mailman had his own aliases file, to keep in synchro with postfix. I've configured Mailman (i think it is ok) so when i wrote to [list-name][at][domain] the MTA catch correctly the alias [list-name] in the aliases file. Now comes the trouble: the alias is in this form: pippo: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post pippo" [others follows] where "pippo" is the list name. So, i don't get mail delivered, and in the postfix logs i read: Apr 3 18:53:22 firewall postfix/local[31956]: D27286D464: to=<|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post pippo at ubris.org>, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post pippo") just like it was searching a user called "|/usr/local/...blabla" !!! And the thing i can't understand is that if i from the shell do: # su postfix # echo "[fake-mail with headers]" | /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post pippo at ubris.org i got the mail perfectly delivered to all subscribers of pippo at ubris.org, being pippo at ubris.org the mailing list in question. It seems that there are some problem for postfix (or mailman? uh?) to "resolve" the instruction piped in the alias... please, help me, i'm going crazy about this. Thx in advance Emilio P.s. - i'm sorry for my surely-not-perfect english, i hope that it is anyway understandable... :P From sully at fcsn.org Thu Apr 3 18:42:41 2003 From: sully at fcsn.org (John Sullivan) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:42:41 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts are bypassing moderator Message-ID: <00b101c2fa00$0e922d00$0afea8c0@FCSNBOSTON.local> I installed Mailman 2.0.13 in November 2002. Set up a list and it works flawlessly. Last week I attempted to setup another list and ALL HELL HAS BROKEN LOOSE! First the newlist command would not work. Our ISP tech support ,NTT/Verio, reconfigured and "rehashed" the program and said try again. I did and still I'm having a problem. The end result is, I have a new list which exactly mirrors the "good" list setup in November, yet when posting a message, the message goes out to the list and does not stop at the moderator for approval. Verio has spent hours on this reconfiguring all kinds of email accounts, aliases, etc and finally told me this morning that they don?t' support Mailman anyway so they can no longer help. I only know a few commands necessary to run this program through the Unix server and I prefer to manage using the web interface when possible. One thought I did have was to re-install Mailman on the server and start over but I do not want to affect the one "good" list that works great. Can I re-install without causing more trouble? Something? Anything? Thanks. John F. Sullivan Coordinator of Technology Services Federation for Children with Special Needs 1135 Tremont Street, Suite 420 Boston, MA 02120 Phone: (617) 236-7210 Fax: (617) 572-2094 sully at fcsn.org From laguilar at fisc.utp.ac.pa Fri Apr 4 00:18:44 2003 From: laguilar at fisc.utp.ac.pa (Leonardo O. Aguilar S.) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:18:44 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problemas en la instalacion del mailman 2.1 Message-ID: <001301c2fa2e$ff9f1310$2d0a4da8@GWEB3> Buenas a todos... la verdad hace como 6 dias que estoy intentando instalar... el mailman 2.1 en mi servidor,, pero parece que no funciona... he instalado todo,, como debe ser segun el manual,,, pero cuando intento,,, cargar http://mi.domi.nio/mailman/create me envia el error 404...y la verdad ya no se que hacer,, al parecer el problema esta el algo de los permisos para ejecutar lo cgi's por favor ayudenme... leonardo aguilar From marilyn at deliberate.com Fri Apr 4 00:59:27 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:59:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problemas en la instalacion del mailman 2.1 In-Reply-To: <001301c2fa2e$ff9f1310$2d0a4da8@GWEB3> Message-ID: ?Ha hacido un ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin" o como asi en su httpd.conf? Entonces hay que parar y empezar su http daemon. ?Cual systema tiene? Marilyn On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Leonardo O. Aguilar S. wrote: > Buenas a todos... la verdad hace como 6 dias que estoy intentando instalar... el mailman 2.1 en mi servidor,, pero parece que no funciona... he instalado todo,, como debe ser segun el manual,,, pero cuando intento,,, cargar http://mi.domi.nio/mailman/create me envia el error 404...y la verdad ya no se que hacer,, al parecer el problema esta el algo de los permisos para ejecutar lo cgi's > > por favor ayudenme... > leonardo aguilar > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: marilyn at deliberate.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com > From gordon_guthrie at hotmail.com Fri Apr 4 01:17:45 2003 From: gordon_guthrie at hotmail.com (Gordon Guthrie) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:17:45 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Mailman Problems Message-ID: I have installed Debian Woody and set Mailman up (updated to the woody5 security release). The problems I'm having is that none of the options I set in the admin pages seem to work, for instance: 1 - Setting: Prefix for subject line of list postings - not used in e-mails 2 - Setting: Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists - always shows the original poster, can't make Reply-To work (even with Explict) 3 - Archive messages? - nothing is archived, ever - the mailboxes in $prefix/archive/private don't exist (the links from $prefix/archive/public do exist though) 4 - Footer added to mail sent to regular list members - no footer added to e-mail I have done most of the security stuff suggested in the Securing Debian manual - which implies setting up PAM and doing lots of security stuff... I get a Tiger message that the user list has no login capability - even though there are cron jobs that depend on it, I'm not sure what that means for me though... Any help appreciated... Gordon _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 From david at gof.se Fri Apr 4 13:08:36 2003 From: david at gof.se (David) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:08:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail problems Message-ID: Dear gurus, My server and my Hotmail subscribers are in a loop right now. They are getting one specific mail posted to a list of mine over and over again. How can I stop this? I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 and Postfix 2.0.4. I have restarted the qrunners and flushed the Postfix mail queue. Please give me some advice how to track down this kind of problem :) Blue Skies, /David From dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Apr 4 13:13:10 2003 From: dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Sven Dittmar) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:13:10 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Question about language of the admin interface] Message-ID: <3E8D68C6.9010907@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> hi again, nobody who can help me here? --sven -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about language of the admin interface Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 09:30:05 +0200 From: Sven Dittmar Organization: Universitaet Stuttgart To: mailman-users at python.org Hi there, we upgraded to mailman-2.1.1 recently. We want to have the whole site speaking German. I change the variable DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'de' and disabled the "US" in the webfrontend. Mailman is speaking German now, but only on the login and general list information pages. Inside the admin interface everything is still in English. Found a hint in the mailman doc of "Command line scripts": ------------------------- addlang Use this to add language support to a specific list. The site itself must have the language pack to add already installed. Note that removing language support from a list requires you to manually rm the lists/yourlist/lang subdirectory. ------------------------- My bin directory only contains add_members check_perms dumpdb list_admins mmsitepass remove_members update arch cleanarch find_member list_lists newlist rmlist version b4b5-archfix clone_member fix_url.py list_members paths.py sync_members withlist change_pw config_list genaliases list_owners paths.pyc transcheck check_db convert.py inject mailmanctl qrunner unshunt A "find . -name addlang" even find nothing in the src tree. What am I doing wrong? How can I get the admin interface speaking a different language? Thanks, Sven From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Apr 4 14:07:21 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:07:21 +0900 Subject: [Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Question about language of the admin interface] References: <3E8D68C6.9010907@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: <3E8D7579.4070101@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Sven Dittmar wrote: > hi again, > we upgraded to mailman-2.1.1 recently. We want to have the whole site > speaking German. I change the variable DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'de' > and disabled the "US" in the webfrontend. > > Mailman is speaking German now, but only on the login and general list > information pages. Inside the admin interface everything is still in > English. You should have set DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'de' before you create the list. You must visit language option page and set the preferred language for the list. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From nikos at qbit.gr Wed Apr 2 09:55:49 2003 From: nikos at qbit.gr (nikos) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:55:49 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <003c01c2f8ed$4a40e620$0400a8c0@fnet.gr> Hello there! I have an Red Hat 7,2 linux local server an I install mailman program come with the distribute. Where can I find a good documentation for the configuration and where are the configuration files? Mr Chris Kolar's documentations didn't help my much. Thanx -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Qbit ?????? ????? - Gatsis Nikos Web developer tel.: 2108256721 - 2108256722 fax: 2108256712 email: nikos at qbit.gr http://www.qbit.gr From FStaskon.IL1PRO at sdps.org Wed Apr 2 18:09:10 2003 From: FStaskon.IL1PRO at sdps.org (Francis Staskon) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 11:09:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] liserve products and services Message-ID: Hi. Hi. I have a question regarding if this organization provides any contracted listservs and managment services. We are a nonprofit interested in establishing some listserv capabilities for collaboratives in health care, but do not have the resources at our location, nor the personnel to manage the service. Thanks, Francis Staskon, Ph.D. Manager, Statistical/Analytical Support Illinois Foundation for Quality Health Care 2625 Butterfield Road - Suite 104S Oak Brook, IL 60523-1234 Phone: (630) 571-5540 FAX: (630) 571-5611 From gareth at za.uu.net Thu Apr 3 16:24:07 2003 From: gareth at za.uu.net (Gareth Hopkins) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:24:07 +0200 (SAST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] New lists not being displayed on the listinfo page Message-ID: <20030403162258.L29236-100000@gabba.so.cpt1.za.uu.net> Howdie, I have just created two new lists and they are not appearing in the listinfo or admin page views. Is there something I am missing? --- Gareth Hopkins Server Operations UUNET South Africa (o) +27.21.658.8700 (f) +27.21.658.8552 (m) +27.82.929.6668 http://www.uunet.co.za 08600 UUNET (08600 88638) "The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation is confidential and any use thereof, in whatever form, by anyone other than the addressee for whom it is intended, is strictly prohibited." From Jane.Garner at mail.state.ar.us Thu Apr 3 22:23:33 2003 From: Jane.Garner at mail.state.ar.us (Jane Garner) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 14:23:33 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Old Messages Message-ID: <908C186A037A764E8023335DD109107102CC9802@EVS01.sas.arkgov.net> How do I delete text messages dating back to 2002? Jane Garner jane.garner at mail.state.ar.us Program Manager School Improvement DWE 682-1535 From jerry.hinshaw at hp.com Thu Apr 3 22:43:17 2003 From: jerry.hinshaw at hp.com (HINSHAW,JERRY L (HP-Boise,ex1)) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:43:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Moderator Password Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to set the List Owner and List Moderator password separately. I can set the list password, BUT having problems with the List Moderator password. The config_list command provides an ability to set the List moderator SMTP addresses, BUT I don't see how to set the List Moderator password. I'd like to do this via a perl script on the List server directly. Thus far I haven't seen how to set the List Moderator password via the List web admin pages either. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jerry Lee hinshaw From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Fri Apr 4 17:51:18 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 07:51:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List issues Message-ID: <4B8865FED427D34B804F3C33A1C8746B035E0B@exchange.smithfamily> Hello, I have Mailman and Sendmail running on a freebsd 4.7 machine. For the most part I have it setup the way I would like it to work. I am having a few issues with it not putting in the basic non-digest header and foot. They are there in the options but not when the post is received. Is this a common problem or a common fix? I also would like 1 of the lists to not allow anyone to send to it but a very few users. Although on the email it sends on subscribing to the list it still has the option for them to send to the list, Can I just remove that from the template file or will that take it out of all the lists? Any help is appreciated. Joe From tigote at attbi.com Fri Apr 4 20:58:52 2003 From: tigote at attbi.com (Melissa Oringer) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:58:52 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman list administrator Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030404105802.026c9420@mail.attbi.com> Hello, My webhost has recently transitioned my majordomo lists to Mailman version 2.0.13. I have customized the four pages available to me from the administrative interface to match our website. I would really like to customize the archive pages as well. Also, there are numerous other pages that I'd like to customize to match the UI of the hosting website. The list of subscribers, the results page for viewing other subscriptions, to name two off the top of my head... Does anyone know how I can go about doing that without affecting the other domains using Mailman? Cheers! -M _____________________________ Melissa Oringer http://www.tigote.com * http://www.bbzzz.com * http://www.jewitchery.com From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Fri Apr 4 22:32:04 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:32:04 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment with Exchange 5.5... Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724CFFD@STJOSEPHMAIL> Okay, I got myself a problem I need some serious help with. I run various mail servers that run RedHat Linux, and a variety of MTA's (Postfix, Sendmail namely) and some have Mailman on them. They all work wonderfully. However where I work we have an Exchange 5.5 server for our mail, and I've got a problem getting Mailman/Sendmail to work with it. Every time I send an email to a test list (for example, test-l at listbox.corporate.net), the Exchange server replies saying "Unknown User" or "Unknown Receipient". Now I have no clue what is causing this, aside from the explaination I've been given: Exchange Server 5.5 strips the "hostname' from the email address: list at listbox.corporate.net becomes list at corporate.net. The Listbox is running RedHat 8.0, Sendmail, and MailMan 2.0.13 The full error when I try to send from my corporate account is (I have blanked out our listserv's domain for security reasons): Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: test Sent: 4/4/2003 2:23 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'test-l at xxxxxxx" on 4/4/2003 2:23 PM The recipient name is not recognized The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=city of st. jose;l=STJOSEPHMAIL0304042023210THHRM MSEXCH:IMS:City of St. Joseph:CITY:STJOSEPHMAIL 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient If anyone can help out, it'd be appreciated. I've NEVER had these problems with Mailman in the past, and I'm of the opinion it's Exchange. Thanks in advance... --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us From bhilburn at frontier.net Fri Apr 4 23:02:05 2003 From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:02:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment with Exchange 5.5... In-Reply-To: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724CFFD@STJOSEPHMAIL> References: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724CFFD@STJOSEPHMAIL> Message-ID: <1049490125.3e8df2cdd4ad3@webmail.frontier.net> Create a custom recipient named "list" (your list name) and forward it to list at listbox.corporate.net (again @listbox.corporate.net). Example: I want a list called "NOC at mycompany.com". Create a custom recipient on the exchange box named "NOC" and forward the mail to NOC at listbox.mycompany.com Quoting jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us: > Okay, I got myself a problem I need some serious help with. > > I run various mail servers that run RedHat Linux, and a variety of MTA's > (Postfix, Sendmail namely) and some have Mailman on them. They all work > wonderfully. However where I work we have an Exchange 5.5 server for our > mail, and I've got a problem getting Mailman/Sendmail to work with it. > > Every time I send an email to a test list (for example, > test-l at listbox.corporate.net), the Exchange server replies saying "Unknown > User" or "Unknown Receipient". Now I have no clue what is causing this, > aside from the explaination I've been given: > > Exchange Server 5.5 strips the "hostname' from the email address: > list at listbox.corporate.net becomes list at corporate.net. > > The Listbox is running RedHat 8.0, Sendmail, and MailMan 2.0.13 > > The full error when I try to send from my corporate account is (I have > blanked out our listserv's domain for security reasons): > > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > > Subject: test > Sent: 4/4/2003 2:23 PM > > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > > 'test-l at xxxxxxx" on 4/4/2003 2:23 PM > The recipient name is not recognized > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=city of st. > jose;l=STJOSEPHMAIL0304042023210THHRM > MSEXCH:IMS:City of St. Joseph:CITY:STJOSEPHMAIL 0 (000C05A6) > Unknown Recipient > > If anyone can help out, it'd be appreciated. I've NEVER had these problems > with Mailman in the past, and I'm of the opinion it's Exchange. > > Thanks in advance... > > --- > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > Computer Support Technician > City of St Joseph > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bhilburn at frontier.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bhilburn%40frontier.net > Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Fri Apr 4 23:39:03 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:39:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] possible bug with mail confirmation Message-ID: <20030404213903.GG17294@hq.newdream.net> I wrote earlier about some suggested improvements with the confirmation by mail function. Here's another thing - if you insert an 'Approved: ' string that's incorrect, the message is deleted (in a way that's unrecoverable, AFAICT). My suggestion is that you get an error message back instead, stating that the password is incorrect. -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore From ghhalley at earthlink.net Sat Apr 5 00:18:49 2003 From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:18:49 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hotmail problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9189786796.20030404141849@earthlink.net> Howdy David Moderate the offending incoming email address. There is also an Emergency Moderation flag, which will moderate all users. Then delete the caught email. Peace, G --- 3:08:36 AM, you wrote: > Dear gurus, > My server and my Hotmail subscribers are in a loop right now. They are > getting one specific mail posted to a list of mine over and over again. > How can I stop this? I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 and Postfix 2.0.4. > I have restarted the qrunners and flushed the Postfix mail queue. > Please give me some advice how to track down this kind of problem :) > Blue Skies, > /David > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > This message was sent to: GHHalley at earthlink.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ghhalley%40earthlink.net From ghhalley at earthlink.net Sat Apr 5 01:07:32 2003 From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:07:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman list administrator Message-ID: <49192710671.20030404150732@earthlink.net> Howdy Melissa I'm not positive, but I think this will work. Every web pages is made up of smaller python routines. Your webhost can give you copies of the html pages and probably the python routines. After modifying these files put them in the /lists/listname/en directory. I know this will work for straight HTML replacements and it may work for the smaller python routines. For example, if one list changes its list info page, the changes will be stored in that directory as listinfo.html. When requested for that list, this modified version overrides the system defaults. Maybe the real guru's on this list can give more insight. Peace, G --- 10:58:52 AM, you wrote: > Hello, > My webhost has recently transitioned my majordomo lists to Mailman version > 2.0.13. I have customized the four pages available to me from the > administrative interface to match our website. I would really like to > customize the archive pages as well. > Also, there are numerous other pages that I'd like to customize to match > the UI of the hosting website. The list of subscribers, the results page > for viewing other subscriptions, to name two off the top of my head... > Does anyone know how I can go about doing that without affecting the other > domains using Mailman? > Cheers! > -M > _____________________________ > Melissa Oringer > http://www.tigote.com * http://www.bbzzz.com * http://www.jewitchery.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > This message was sent to: GHHalley at earthlink.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ghhalley%40earthlink.net From leo_sa at hotmail.com Sat Apr 5 05:00:41 2003 From: leo_sa at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?TGVvbmFyZG8gU+E=?=) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 03:00:41 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with large list Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm running mailman with a list of more than 15000 subscribers. The problem is that i can't log into the web admin interface and i also can't subscribe any new user throught the web, although the lists that have less users can be easly managed. I've checked the apache configuration and it seems to be ok (otherwise, the other lists would not be working). Rebuilding the list from scratch also didn't work, and i do have 401mb ram that i think is enough for this kind of job. Only the big list is not working through the web. Any suggestions? -- Regards, Leonardo S? Recife-Brazil _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. http://messenger.msn.com.br From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Sat Apr 5 15:10:04 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:10:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with large list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030405131004.GC8873@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 03:00:41AM +0000, Leonardo S? (LS) wrote: LS> Hi everyone, LS> LS> I'm running mailman with a list of more than 15000 subscribers. LS> The problem is that i can't log into the web admin interface and i also LS> can't subscribe any new user throught the web, although the lists that have LS> less users can be easly managed. Do you get an error message? If so, what is it ? If not ... can you describe in more detail what happens ? Gr, Nils. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Apr 5 17:05:50 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:05:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <003c01c2f8ed$4a40e620$0400a8c0@fnet.gr>; from nikos@qbit.gr on Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:55:49AM +0300 References: <003c01c2f8ed$4a40e620$0400a8c0@fnet.gr> Message-ID: <20030405100550.A2755@dogpound.vnet.net> * nikos (nikos at qbit.gr) wrote: > Hello there! > I have an Red Hat 7,2 linux local server an I install mailman program come with the distribute. > Where can I find a good documentation for the configuration and where are the configuration files? > Mr Chris Kolar's documentations didn't help my much. A good place to start would be the README.* files in the mailman-$VERSION directory. Also note the INSTALL and FAQ file. Then if you have any questions, see the two URLs below. And then if you still need a few pointers, come to this list and we'll be happy to help. > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ But remember when posting to the list, your getting what you paid for. We'll answer your question when we can. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Sat Apr 5 17:16:25 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:16:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Mailman web interfaces and design In-Reply-To: <200304031437.23656.a.carter@intrasoft.lu>; from a.carter@cordis.lu on Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:37:23PM +0200 References: <200304031437.23656.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <20030405101625.B2755@dogpound.vnet.net> * CARTER Anthony (a.carter at cordis.lu) wrote: > I am looking for a means of customizing the mailman we pages. I have noticed > that some pages can be edited via the interface, but I would like to make > more drastic changes (removing links to admin page for example). > > My first thing that I would like to do is, if possible, to add our own CSSs > to the web pages. Does anyone know if this is possible, and if so, where do > I start? A good place to start would be to modify a few variables in mm_cfg.py WEB_BG_COLOR = 'white' # Page background WEB_HEADER_COLOR = '#99ccff' # Major section headers WEB_SUBHEADER_COLOR = '#fff0d0' # Minor section headers WEB_ADMINITEM_COLOR = '#dddddd' # Option field background WEB_ADMINPW_COLOR = '#99cccc' # Password box color WEB_ERROR_COLOR = 'red' # Error message foreground WEB_LINK_COLOR = '' # If true, forces LINK= WEB_ALINK_COLOR = '' # If true, forces ALINK= WEB_VLINK_COLOR = '' # If true, forces VLINK= WEB_HIGHLIGHT_COLOR = '#dddddd' # If true, alternating rows # in listinfo & admin # display And then you should look in $prefix/templates -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ If I can't fix it, it's probably dead. From narnett at mccmedia.com Sat Apr 5 18:12:58 2003 From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:12:58 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move Message-ID: I recently moved a couple of lists to a new machine, also upgrading from a 2.1 beta to the final. I copied the entire Mailman directory structure from the old to the new machine, then installed 2.1. I also switched from Sendmail to Postfix. Now I seem to have a Catch-22 with regard to user ids. My old lists are running okay. However, any new list I create has a user id problem with Postfix -- I get the "Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group..." error when posting to a new list. If I re-install, using the group name it expects for the new lists, then the new lists work, but the old ones produce that error. I've looked at the source until my eyes cross and I can't figure out how to fix this. Any suggestions? Oh, and one more annoyance. The urls for the admin pages for the internal Mailman list only work if "Mailman" in the url has an upper-case "M", but it is lower-case in all of the pages. Can't figure out how to fix that, either... I tried re-creating the list, but then I get the problem described above. Yeah, I did something bad, apparently. [And just to make my life more interesting, some dang spammer decided to forge "listserv (at) mccmedia.com" as his spam's return address, which is aliased to mailman, so the internal list is getting swamped with bounces that look like postings from non-members.] Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 narnett at mccmedia.com From tag at cs.utah.edu Sat Apr 5 19:10:32 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:10:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move References: Message-ID: <005d01c2fb96$44f888c0$86fb659b@apex> > My old lists are running okay. However, any new list I create has a user id > problem with Postfix -- I get the "Mailman expected the mail wrapper script > to be executed as group..." error when posting to a new list. If I > re-install, using the group name it expects for the new lists, then the new > lists work, but the old ones produce that error. Postfix should only need to access your mailman auto-generated aliases. So we have a userid and group dedicated for mailman (and the http server), then just add the userid for postfix to the mailman group on your MTA. Todd From leo_sa at hotmail.com Sat Apr 5 19:39:16 2003 From: leo_sa at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?TGVvbmFyZG8gU+E=?=) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 17:39:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with large list Message-ID: >On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 03:00:41AM +0000, Leonardo S? (LS) wrote: >LS> Hi everyone, >LS> >LS> I'm running mailman with a list of more than 15000 subscribers. >LS> The problem is that i can't log into the web admin interface and i also >LS> can't subscribe any new user throught the web, although the lists that >have >LS> less users can be easly managed. > >Do you get an error message? If so, what is it ? > >If not ... can you describe in more detail what happens ? > >Gr, > >Nils. > No, I don?t get any error message. In Internet Explorer, when I click "let me in" on the form, the globe starts to move and the progress bar also starts to increase. But i don?t get nothing, no 404, no error messages... Just a blank page and the progress bar increasing without reach the maximum value. I?ve also tried on other browsers and machines but the same occurs. Note that if I type the wrong password, it goes very fast and show the "authorization failed" in red on the top of the page. Leonardo _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com From narnett at mccmedia.com Sun Apr 6 01:25:44 2003 From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:25:44 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move In-Reply-To: <005d01c2fb96$44f888c0$86fb659b@apex> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+narnett=mccmedia.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+narnett=mccmedia.com at python.org]On Behalf ... > Postfix should only need to access your mailman auto-generated > aliases. So > we have a userid and group dedicated for mailman (and the http > server), then > just add the userid for postfix to the mailman group on your MTA. Thanks, but that's all done. The problem is that the old lists want one userid and group, any new lists want a different one. I can't figure out why Postfix gets the error in the one case, but not the other. Nick From gwcohn at bblabs.net Sun Apr 6 03:34:47 2003 From: gwcohn at bblabs.net (George Cohn) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:34:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good News Message-ID: <3E8F8437.32A3923A@bblabs.net> After struggling for about 6 weeks, I finally got Mailman working on my server! I'm using RH 8 on an AMD Athlon 2 gig box with 768 megs of memory. The box has the latest version of Apache 2.0.40-11 with 2.2.2-7 Python, 2.0.7-2 Postfix and Mailman 2.1.1. I originally tried installing the version of MM on the rpm distribution that came with RH 8 but could never get it to work. I finally started reading everything I could find and downloaded the latest versions of Python, Postfix and Mailman. The trick at long last was a mismatch between the mail host in Postfix (mail.example.com) and the mm-config file (example.com) Once I corrected the MM config, I was able to post and everything works now including the archives. It's been an interesting 6 weeks as I once took a unix course in the early '90's and never used anything I learned until now. Just thought I would let some of the newbies struggling along know that it can be done. Just read every readme file and try to be logical about it. George Cohn From pjh at mccc.edu Sun Apr 6 04:06:45 2003 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 21:06:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of subscribers Message-ID: The admin window of my list shows 272 members. However, when I run bin/list_members, the list is only 147. Where did the others go? How do I sync these? There should be 272 members. Thanks. From pjh at mccc.edu Sun Apr 6 04:10:35 2003 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 21:10:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] What does this mean??? Message-ID: Suddenly, list_members is not working! --- /home/mailman/bin > ./list_members 4sam Traceback (innermost last): File "./list_members", line 139, in ? main() File "./list_members", line 113, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' MMBadListError: Failed to access config info --- I need to be able to give the sysadm precise instructionson how to fix this. Can anyone help? Thanks. From djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au Sun Apr 6 04:47:16 2003 From: djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au (Danny moss) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 12:47:16 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good News References: <3E8F8437.32A3923A@bblabs.net> Message-ID: <3E8F9534.1040300@southcom.com.au> HI Georgeand the group, Name here is Danny I am just starting to setup mailmain and have run into heaps of problems I am running redhat 8 and sendmail , I got the rpm package from the redhat site .. I am glad you got it going I am not so luck so far but it is all new to me if you have any tips please sent them to me .. George Cohn wrote: >After struggling for about 6 weeks, I finally got Mailman working on my >server! > >I'm using RH 8 on an AMD Athlon 2 gig box with 768 megs of memory. > >The box has the latest version of Apache 2.0.40-11 with 2.2.2-7 Python, >2.0.7-2 Postfix and Mailman 2.1.1. > >I originally tried installing the version of MM on the rpm distribution >that came with RH 8 but could never get it to work. > >I finally started reading everything I could find and downloaded the >latest versions of Python, Postfix and Mailman. > >The trick at long last was a mismatch between the mail host in Postfix >(mail.example.com) and the mm-config file (example.com) Once I >corrected the MM config, I was able to post and everything works now >including the archives. > >It's been an interesting 6 weeks as I once took a unix course in the >early '90's and never used anything I learned until now. > >Just thought I would let some of the newbies struggling along know that >it can be done. Just read every readme file and try to be logical about >it. > >George Cohn > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/djmhbtgw%40southcom.com.au > > > From djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au Sun Apr 6 07:06:07 2003 From: djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au (Danny moss) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 15:06:07 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web pages Message-ID: <3E8FB5BF.2010108@southcom.com.au> Hi All, Iam trying to get web pages working in mailman but am having trouble .. I am running redhat 8.0 and apache and send mail.. I seam to have the email part running I can send and receive message . but the imbedded links to web pages do not work I used an rpm packeage from the redhat site, it has made the default directory /var/mailman and all the icons have been put into /var/www/icons but the link will not work.. help help thank you for any help you can give me .. Danny moss.. From tag at cs.utah.edu Sun Apr 6 16:54:30 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 08:54:30 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:25:44 PST." Message-ID: <200304061454.h36EsU422068@faith.cs.utah.edu> >Thanks, but that's all done. The problem is that the old lists want one >userid and group, any new lists want a different one. I can't figure out >why Postfix gets the error in the one case, but not the other. That isn't a postfix problem, that's mailman complaining. Just use your new id's and chown the old ones to the new id. Run ~mailman/bin/check_perms and you'll see what permission problems you have. Run it with "-f" to force the fixes. Todd From rcostain at sympatico.ca Sun Apr 6 17:52:24 2003 From: rcostain at sympatico.ca (Robert Costain) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 11:52:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text encoding issue Message-ID: I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 on Mac OS X Server. My lists are primarily English, but a few of them are also in French and even the English ones sometimes have French accented characters. As a result, I would like Mailman to encode all messages as ISO-8859-1. Here's my problem: A few users (particularly one subscriber using Outlook on Windows XP) receive most of the messages as text attachments rather than a message body. Accents were not displaying correctly on the main listinfo page in certain browsers (e.g. Safari, Netscape), so I added the following to the mm_cfg.py file: LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = ('English (USA)', 'iso-8859-1') While this solved the Listinfo page display problem, it caused the attachment problem I am observing now. In playing around with encodings, I tried adding the following to the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_CHARSET = ['iso-8859-1'] VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['iso-2022-jp', 'iso-8859-1'] ...But this did not help. It's not a huge deal, but it is a real pain for the less 'Net savvy subscribers who think that list messages are coming in empty with an attachment (kind of scary for those who are virus-paranoid too.) Thanks in advance for any advice! From narnett at mccmedia.com Sun Apr 6 19:25:21 2003 From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:25:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move In-Reply-To: <200304061454.h36EsU422068@faith.cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+narnett=mccmedia.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+narnett=mccmedia.com at python.org]On Behalf > Of Todd Green .. > That isn't a postfix problem, that's mailman complaining. Just use your > new id's and chown the old ones to the new id. I know that the error is from Mailman -- that's why I'm asking the question on this list! That's why I said that Postfix "gets" that error. When you say "chown the old ones," what are you referring to? The old what? All lists have the same owner and group. > Run ~mailman/bin/check_perms and you'll see what permission problems you > have. Run it with "-f" to force the fixes. That's part of installation, so I've done that, more than once. There are no reported permission problems. Perhaps I should ask a more specific question... Where does the id under which Postfix runs the mail wrapper come from? How can it be executing under two different ids in the same Mailman installation? Isn't it always the same Postfix id that is executing the mail wrapper? I'm baffled. A few more details, in case they are helpful: For new lists, Mailman is expecting the mail wrapper to be executed as "nobody," but it is running as "mailman." Old lists produce no error, they work fine. If I re-install Mailman with "--with-mail-gid=mailman", then new lists work, but old ones give that error, with the user names reversed. In other words, after the re-install, new lists work, but for old ones, Mailman is expecting the mail wrapper to be executed as "mailman," but it is running as "nobody" (which I guess was how my old installation was set up). >From INSTALL, I see that mail-gid is compiled into the mail wrapper, which is what I suspected. Thus, for the functional lists (the old ones) Postfix must be executing the mail wrapper as "nobody," but I don't understand where that information comes from or how Postfix does it. Sooooo... where does Postfix get the id under which it tries to execute the mail wrapper and how can that change from one list to another? The Postfix aliases for old and new lists look exactly the same. I keep thinking I must be missing something very obvious, since it seems as though Postfix is calling the very same executable, the very same way, but with completely different results depending on whether the message is destined for one of my old lists or a new one. For what it's worth, cgi for new lists works fine. Nick From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Sun Apr 6 19:35:35 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 13:35:35 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Injecting Single Messages Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030406132829.03cb5620@64.65.196.198> There seems to be a problem with the Mailman method of delivering messages. I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 with Postfix 2.0.7. Mailman messages are being sent as individual messages, rather than a message with multiple addresses. For example, if there are 10 list members on the same ISP, Mailman delivers 10 different messages to that ISP rather than sending 1 message with 10 delivery addresses. Is there a configuration setting in Mailman that will change this behavior? It seems that the older versions of Mailman did deliver single messages with multiple addresses, but I don't have any servers left running older versions. Thanks! Larry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:26:29 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:26:29 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049599832.6665.4.camel@geddy> On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 11:12, Nick Arnett wrote: > My old lists are running okay. However, any new list I create has a user id > problem with Postfix -- I get the "Mailman expected the mail wrapper script > to be executed as group..." error when posting to a new list. If I > re-install, using the group name it expects for the new lists, then the new > lists work, but the old ones produce that error. You may have a problem if your old lists are aliased in a Sendmail style aliases file, but the new lists are aliased in the auto-generated data/aliases.db file. You should remove any list aliases from /etc/aliases, set up Postfix integration as outlined in README.POSTFIX, re-run bin/genaliases and make sure that the file data/aliases.db is owned and grouped by "mailman". This latter is vitally important: Postfix runs the mail scripts with the owner and group of the aliases.db file. > Oh, and one more annoyance. The urls for the admin pages for the internal > Mailman list only work if "Mailman" in the url has an upper-case "M", but it > is lower-case in all of the pages. Can't figure out how to fix that, > either... I tried re-creating the list, but then I get the problem described > above. Ok, that's a weird one. :) When you moved your lists, did you change any part of the url used to get to the list? If so, you'll need to run bin/fix_url.py (via bin/withlist). I don't know for sure this will fix your problem, but it's a place to start. Next, check to make sure you don't have something funky in your Apache confs. -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:26:33 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:26:33 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with large list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049600615.6645.17.camel@geddy> On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 22:00, Leonardo S? wrote: > I've checked the apache configuration and it seems to be ok (otherwise, the > other lists would not be working). Rebuilding the list from scratch also > didn't work, and i do have 401mb ram that i think is enough for this kind of > job. Only the big list is not working through the web. You don't say what version of Mailman you're using. This is really important because I believe that 2.1 is much better than 2.0 here. But in either case, Mailman has to slurp the entire list database into memory for each web-hit. Yes, this sucks and the fix plan includes putting a real database backend on Mailman. If you feel adventurous, try using the BDBMemberAdaptor from cvs. It might be more friendly on memory usage due to BerkeleyDB's memory management and caching. -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:26:36 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:26:36 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request (email confirmation) In-Reply-To: <20030205223918.GL25693@hq.newdream.net> References: <20030205223918.GL25693@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <1049600887.6665.22.camel@geddy> On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 17:39, Will Yardley wrote: > It seems like it would be nice to setup a method of confirmation for > *approving* messages that uses a unique token instead of the list > password; I like this idea. Please add it to the SourceForge feature request tracker. I'm hoping that 2.1.2 will be stable enough that I can actually start working on the next version soon. I haven't decided whether it will be full-blown MM3.0 or a more modest 2.2 -- a feature like this could make it into either. -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:01 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with multiple subscription confirmation messages In-Reply-To: <1045865874.11147.7.camel@frodo> References: <1045865874.11147.7.camel@frodo> Message-ID: <1049601629.6665.33.camel@geddy> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 17:17, S. Krishnan wrote: > I just upgraded my mailman 2.0.13 install to 2.1.1 by downloading and > installing from source. The previous version worked fine. However, > 2.1.1 has a major issue with subscription messages. Every time someone > subscribes to a list, mailman sends them a mailing list subscription > confirmation notice. With mailman 2.1.1, replying to this notice does > not seem to work. Instead of confirming the subscription, it sends > *another* mailing list subscription confirmation notice, with a > different number. Replying to this results in yet another subscription > confirmation notice! > > However, subscription confirmation off the web page works OK. It is > only the confirmation by reply to the notice that is broken. That certainly sounds broken! But I've never seen this problem before, so I don't know what's happening. Start by examining your mail server logs, and more importantly your Mailman logs, for clues. If this doesn't help, we'll have to dig deeper. -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:01 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password and confirmation email questions In-Reply-To: <3E689C3B.1060606@mitre.org> References: <20030306215241.GA4923@generalist.org> <3E689C3B.1060606@mitre.org> Message-ID: <1049601494.6665.30.camel@geddy> On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 08:18, John DeCarlo wrote: > As for 2, look in ~mailman/templates/en (for English, anyway). In > particular, look at subscribeack.txt. I would look through all of them > to see what else you want to change, like unsubscribe files. > > Note: If you install an update, like 2.1.1 over 2.1, it will overwrite > your changes, so save them (I have subscribeack.txt.orig and > subscribeack.txt.Mine) and check after the upgrade to copy them back over. Here are the lookup rules for templates: # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places # that are searched, in this order: # # 1. the list-specific language directory # lists// # # 2. the domain-specific language directory # templates// # # 3. the site-wide language directory # templates/site/ # # 4. the global default language directory # templates/ This means the right way to customize templates depends on whether you want to do it on a per-list basis, or in a more coarse way. E.g. if you want to change a template for one list, stick it in lists//en but if you want to change it for every list at your site, put it in templates/site/en. Mailman updates will only ever write new templates into the global default location. -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:04 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to force confirmation on my list owners? In-Reply-To: <1046202401.1612.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> References: <1045790315.1614.35.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <1046202401.1612.12.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1049601831.6665.36.camel@geddy> On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 14:46, Jon Carnes wrote: > If you look up on Sourceforge at the Mailman project you will see that > there is a way of dropping off suggested features. Yes, SourceForge has a feature request tracker, which is the best place to register such suggestions. All email has a non-zero chance of getting buried, so it's fine to post to this list, but I probably won't see it unless it's in a tracker. (I'm on a mini-vacation and doing some offline mailbox gardening today :). -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:04 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030217105852.03325008@mail.rockygorge.com> Message-ID: <1049602995.6645.50.camel@geddy> On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 14:03, Tspeight at rockygorge.com wrote: > I have sent this in before but I guess the powers that be are NOT > interested. There is definitely something wrong with the bounce process > with regards to the Confirmation string. Apologies for the delay in responding. > The first time I reported this the problem occurred on the Mailman-users > list. The other times it is occurring on a list that I host. This is not > a random problem. > > On 14 January 2003, I received the following message: > "Your membership in the mailing list Mailman-Users has been disabled due to > excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 14-Jan-2003." > > On 13 February 2003, I received the following message: "Your membership in > the mailing list Mailman-Users has been disabled due to excessive bounces > The last bounce received from you was dated 14-Jan-2003." > > The confirmation sting that was sent on both times follows. > 37037b7a051f71a816e27e8e0b9ba82aaf107f7b > > The confirmation string has been invalid each time! Further on one of my > lists a member received a confirmation string but his account was okay. Is > anyone else experiencing this problem? Here are my suspicions. I'm Cc'ing Thomas Wouters because he was recently fixing some bugs in what I believe is the offending code. First a question: for those of you seeing this problem, are your lists on fairly active Mailman systems? For purposes of this discussion, I'd classify python.org as active enough. The confirmation strings are kept in a database file shared by all lists on your site, called data/pending.pck. Normally, access to this file is serialized via a lock file, but in we have our suspicions that there is a race condition or other bug in the LockFile.py implementation that may allow concurrent writes to this file. We haven't been able to debug the problem, nor is it easily reproducible, but if it's true, then my suspicion is that you're getting bitten by the same bug. I don't know for sure, but I can say that in simple, one-by-one testing on my laptop, I can't provoke an invalid confirmation string. Now Thomas implemented some fixes to pending.pck which should avoid the race condition, if one exists. This is in cvs and will be part of 2.1.2. python.org should be running this codebase so if you see the problem on mailman-users or mailman-developers from here on out, I want to know about it. The real fix is for each list to get their own pending database, but I don't think that'll get implemented in the 2.1-maint branch unless Thomas's fix isn't enough. -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:04 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Moderator Password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049609435.6665.60.camel@geddy> On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 15:43, HINSHAW,JERRY L (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: > I'm trying to set the List Owner and List Moderator password > separately. I can set the list password, BUT having problems with the List > Moderator password. The config_list command provides an ability to set the > List moderator SMTP addresses, BUT I don't see how to set the List Moderator > password. Right, because config_list isn't the way to set the passwords. For one thing, admin and moderator passwords are stored in the database as a SHA1 hash and config_list doesn't know anything about that. Speaking Mailman 2.1, you need to use the Passwords page in the admin interface. > I'd like to do this via a perl script on the List server directly. > Thus far I haven't seen how to set the List Moderator password via the List > web admin pages either. It could be done fairly easily with a Python script, hooked into bin/withlist. Can't help you with Perl. :) You don't mention which version of Mailman you're using but I'll assume 2.1 since 2.0 didn't have a separate moderator role. Doesn't the Passwords page in the admin interface have two side-by-side blue boxes, one for the admin password and one for the moderator password? -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:05 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] possible bug with mail confirmation In-Reply-To: <20030404213903.GG17294@hq.newdream.net> References: <20030404213903.GG17294@hq.newdream.net> Message-ID: <1049608749.6645.53.camel@geddy> On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 16:39, Will Yardley wrote: > I wrote earlier about some suggested improvements with the confirmation > by mail function. > > Here's another thing - if you insert an 'Approved: ' string that's > incorrect, the message is deleted (in a way that's unrecoverable, > AFAICT). My suggestion is that you get an error message back instead, > stating that the password is incorrect. I must not quite understand this bug. Can you submit a bug report, including the full recipe to reproduce it? Thanks, -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:06 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:06 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Old Messages In-Reply-To: <908C186A037A764E8023335DD109107102CC9802@EVS01.sas.arkgov.net> References: <908C186A037A764E8023335DD109107102CC9802@EVS01.sas.arkgov.net> Message-ID: <1049609493.6665.62.camel@geddy> On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 15:23, Jane Garner wrote: > How do I delete text messages dating back to 2002? If you don't care about your article numbers changing, just edit the .mbox file and run (MM2.1): bin/arch --wipe listname -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:08 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posts are bypassing moderator In-Reply-To: <00b101c2fa00$0e922d00$0afea8c0@FCSNBOSTON.local> References: <00b101c2fa00$0e922d00$0afea8c0@FCSNBOSTON.local> Message-ID: <1049609902.6665.69.camel@geddy> On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 11:42, John Sullivan wrote: > The end result is, I have a new list which exactly mirrors the "good" list setup > in November, yet when posting a message, the message goes out to the list and > does not stop at the moderator for approval. > > Verio has spent hours on this reconfiguring all kinds of email accounts, > aliases, etc and finally told me this morning that they dont' support Mailman > anyway so they can no longer help. I only know a few commands necessary to run > this program through the Unix server and I prefer to manage using the web > interface when possible. > > One thought I did have was to re-install Mailman on the server and start over > but I do not want to affect the one "good" list that works great. Can I > re-install without causing more trouble? My suggestion would be to do a parallel installation of Mailman 2.1.1, test it and get it working, then move the one good list from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1. Aside from hopefully fixing your problem, it'll give you very nice benefits such as the ability to create new lists through the web. -Barry From barry at python.org Sun Apr 6 23:27:08 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:27:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix + Mailman, "unresolved" aliases... In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403180320.03327088@mail.cegportal.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030403180320.03327088@mail.cegportal.com> Message-ID: <1049610072.6665.72.camel@geddy> On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 11:17, Emilio Giulio Orsenigo wrote: > Hi all, i have a problem with my installation of Mailman on Postfix; > That's the first time i try to install Mailman, so i've read all of the > archives and FAQ's before deciding to post on this mailing list :( Mailman 2.1 I'm guessing, right? > The (weird) problem is simply this one: my postfix authenticate against a > MySQL database, and there are the aliases too. Mailman had his own aliases > file, to keep in synchro with postfix. I've configured Mailman (i think it > is ok) so when i wrote to [list-name][at][domain] the MTA catch correctly > the alias [list-name] in the aliases file. Now comes the trouble: the alias > is in this form: > > pippo: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post pippo" > [others follows] > > where "pippo" is the list name. > > So, i don't get mail delivered, and in the postfix logs i read: > > Apr 3 18:53:22 firewall postfix/local[31956]: D27286D464: > to=<|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post pippo at ubris.org>, > orig_to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown > user: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post pippo") > > just like it was searching a user called "|/usr/local/...blabla" !!! It sounds to me like you haven't correctly set up Postfix's aliases_map variable as described in the README.POSTFIX file. -Barry From narnett at mccmedia.com Mon Apr 7 00:19:02 2003 From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:19:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move In-Reply-To: <1049599832.6665.4.camel@geddy> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+narnett=mccmedia.com at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+narnett=mccmedia.com at python.org]On Behalf > Of Barry Warsaw > You may have a problem if your old lists are aliased in a Sendmail style > aliases file, but the new lists are aliased in the auto-generated > data/aliases.db file. You should remove any list aliases from > /etc/aliases, set up Postfix integration as outlined in README.POSTFIX, > re-run bin/genaliases and make sure that the file data/aliases.db is > owned and grouped by "mailman". This latter is vitally important: > Postfix runs the mail scripts with the owner and group of the aliases.db > file. I did have old aliases in /etc/aliases and /etc/postfix/aliases. They're gone now and I've run newaliases. data/aliases was owned by root, so I changed it to be owned by mailman, then ran bin/genaliases. After that, it was owned by mailnull (along with everything else in data). Restarted Postfix, restarted Mailman... and I don't see any change, sadly. But wait!!! It *is* fixed. I just realized that *all* the lists were broken the same way, so a re-install with the correct mail group id fixed everything. Thanks!!! The good part of all of this is that I understand the source much better now, so I may finally work my way around to implementing some of the ideas I've had. Speaking of which, a little bit of documentation on the pipeline stuff and how one might add modules would go a long, long way. As for the wacky url in the internal mailman list, now I should at least be able to just remove and replace it to fix that problem. And thanks again. Nick From barry at python.org Mon Apr 7 00:26:23 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 22:26:23 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049667950.9026.10.camel@geddy> On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 13:25, Nick Arnett wrote: > Perhaps I should ask a more specific question... Where does the id under > which Postfix runs the mail wrapper come from? If you're using the alias_maps integration (as described in 2.1's README.POSTFIX), then the user and group come from the owner of the data/alias.db file. You want it to be mailman:mailman and you want --with-mail-gid=mailman. > How can it be executing > under two different ids in the same Mailman installation? Isn't it always > the same Postfix id that is executing the mail wrapper? I'm baffled. The only way I can see this happening is if you have some aliases in data/aliases.db and some in Postfix's /etc/aliases file. In the latter case, I believe the user and group will come from Postfix's defaults. > For new lists, Mailman is expecting the mail wrapper to be executed as > "nobody," but it is running as "mailman." Old lists produce no error, they > work fine. If I re-install Mailman with "--with-mail-gid=mailman", then new > lists work, but old ones give that error, with the user names reversed. In > other words, after the re-install, new lists work, but for old ones, Mailman > is expecting the mail wrapper to be executed as "mailman," but it is running > as "nobody" (which I guess was how my old installation was set up). Don't mix where your list aliases exist, at least within a single Mailman installation. Run bin/genaliases, make sure all your aliases are in data/aliases -- and more importantly bin/aliases.db -- and make sure aliases.db is mailman:mailman. If you do this, I can't see any way your old lists would inherit some different user and group. -Barry From barry at python.org Mon Apr 7 00:30:05 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 22:30:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Injecting Single Messages In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030406132829.03cb5620@64.65.196.198> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030406132829.03cb5620@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <1049668173.9026.15.camel@geddy> On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 13:35, Larry Hansford wrote: > Mailman messages are being sent as individual messages, rather than a > message with multiple addresses. For example, if there are 10 list members > on the same ISP, Mailman delivers 10 different messages to that ISP rather > than sending 1 message with 10 delivery addresses. Sounds like your list has personalization enabled. In such cases, yes, every recipient gets a unique message. There's no way around that. -Barry From tag at cs.utah.edu Mon Apr 7 01:36:52 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:36:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move References: <1049599832.6665.4.camel@geddy> Message-ID: <005c01c2fc95$67a7c4d0$86fb659b@apex> > owned and grouped by "mailman". This latter is vitally important: > Postfix runs the mail scripts with the owner and group of the aliases.db > file. I do not believe this is the case. Postfix will execute commands via the uid specified by "postconf default_privs" which is set to nobody if you don't change it. However the mailman script is setgid, so it will run with an effective group of "mailman" (or whatever you set it to be via configure) which is why I said that postfix should have been added to the mailman group in the first place ;-) Todd From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Mon Apr 7 03:17:29 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:17:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Injecting Single Messages In-Reply-To: <1049668173.9026.15.camel@geddy> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030406132829.03cb5620@64.65.196.198> <5.2.0.9.2.20030406132829.03cb5620@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030406211346.036f8910@mail.lch-assoc.com> At 06:29 PM 4/6/2003, Barry Warsaw wrote: >On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 13:35, Larry Hansford wrote: > > > Mailman messages are being sent as individual messages, rather than a > > message with multiple addresses. For example, if there are 10 list > members > > on the same ISP, Mailman delivers 10 different messages to that ISP rather > > than sending 1 message with 10 delivery addresses. > >Sounds like your list has personalization enabled. In such cases, yes, >every recipient gets a unique message. There's no way around that. I checked the "Non-Digest Options" page, and the "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery?" option is set to "No". But, when a message is sent, it still generates a new message for each address. Is there another setting that affects this? Thanks! Larry >-Barry From barry at python.org Mon Apr 7 03:30:16 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 01:30:16 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move In-Reply-To: <005c01c2fc95$67a7c4d0$86fb659b@apex> References: <1049599832.6665.4.camel@geddy> <005c01c2fc95$67a7c4d0$86fb659b@apex> Message-ID: <1049675427.9073.42.camel@geddy> On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 19:36, Todd Green wrote: > I do not believe this is the case. Postfix will execute commands via the > uid specified by "postconf default_privs" which is set to nobody if you > don't change it. However the mailman script is setgid, so it will run with > an effective group of "mailman" (or whatever you set it to be via configure) > which is why I said that postfix should have been added to the mailman group > in the first place ;-) >From http://www.postfix.org/local.8.html DELIVERY RIGHTS Deliveries to external files and external commands are made with the rights of the receiving user on whose behalf the delivery is made. In the absence of a user context, the local daemon uses the owner rights of the :include: file or alias database. When those files are owned by the superuser, delivery is made with the rights specified with the default_privs configuration parameter. -Barry From jbentley at erin.gov.au Mon Apr 7 03:39:34 2003 From: jbentley at erin.gov.au (Jonathan Bentley) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:39:34 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Syntax error encountered on install Message-ID: <200304070139.h371dYg19335@theia.erin.gov.au> Hi, Any help with the following would be greatly appreciated: I'm trying to install Mailman 2.1.1 My python executable is in /usr/local/bin/python I have configured with parameters: ./configure --prefix=/sw/mailman/2.1.1 --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=www I am using solaris 8. When I run the command "make install" it gives the following: .... Creating language directory /sw/mailman/2.1.1/messages/ru/LC_MESSAGES Creating language directory /sw/mailman/2.1.1/messages/sv/LC_MESSAGES for f in ./test*.py ./*Base.py; \ do \ /usr/local/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /sw/mailman/2.1.1/tests; \ done for f in ./onebounce.py ./fblast.py; \ do \ /usr/local/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /sw/mailman/2.1.1/tests; \ done for d in bounces msgs; \ do \ (cd $d; make install); \ done for f in ./*.txt; \ do \ /usr/local/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /sw/mailman/2.1.1/tests/bounces; \ done for f in ./*.txt; \ do \ /usr/local/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /sw/mailman/2.1.1/tests/msgs; \ done /usr/local/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; compile_dir("/sw/mailman/2.1.1/Mailman")' File "", line 1 from ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall' I get the same syntax error if I run /usr/local/python -c 'from compileall import *' at the command line. This seems to indicate it's a problem with Python. Any advice would be great. Cheers. JB. From mic at npgx.com.au Mon Apr 7 04:02:21 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:02:21 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https for mailman use Message-ID: <20030407015642.M67855@npgx.com.au> Hi, I've recently put mailman on-line, after a week or so of testing. I like the product alot. This is now my first day of administering the environment from a remote location, and I realised SSL isn't being used when entering my list admin password. How can I force SSL (https) connectivity for all mail web pages? Your help is appreciated. Thanks. Michael. From leo at netserver.cjb.net Mon Apr 7 04:20:55 2003 From: leo at netserver.cjb.net (Leonardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1?=) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 02:20:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with large list In-Reply-To: <1049768746.18070.2.camel@leo.casa> References: <1049600615.6645.17.camel@geddy> <1049768746.18070.2.camel@leo.casa> Message-ID: <1049768891.18026.6.camel@leo.casa> > On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 22:00, Leonardo S? wrote: > > I've checked the apache configuration and it seems to be ok (otherwise, the > > other lists would not be working). Rebuilding the list from scratch also > > didn't work, and i do have 401mb ram that i think is enough for this kind of > > job. Only the big list is not working through the web. > > You don't say what version of Mailman you're using. This is really > important because I believe that 2.1 is much better than 2.0 here. But > in either case, Mailman has to slurp the entire list database into > memory for each web-hit. Yes, this sucks and the fix plan includes > putting a real database backend on Mailman. If you feel adventurous, > try using the BDBMemberAdaptor from cvs. It might be more friendly on > memory usage due to BerkeleyDB's memory management and caching. > > -Barry > Good idea! Where can I find info about this? Can I do it with MySQL? BTW, my mailman is 2.1. Cheers Leonardo From rcostain at sympatico.ca Mon Apr 7 05:09:58 2003 From: rcostain at sympatico.ca (Rob Costain) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 23:09:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Follow-up: Text encoding issue Message-ID: A follow-up to my earlier post re: Text encoding issue I forgot to mention that I have content-filtering configured to strip text/html to text/plain. However, on most lists other attachments types (i.e. .doc, .pdf, etc.) are not prohibited. I did an impromptu test with a small developer list that I run. I sent three messages to the list: 1) One was plain text which everyone received it without problem. 2) I then sent an HTML-formatted message. In this case, Mailman worked as expected and stripped the MIME/HTML from the message, which was received by everyone as plain text. 3) The last message was plain text, but this time I attached a JPEG file. **In this case a couple of recipients reported that the message arrived with an empty body, and that the body, footer and attached JPEG were encoded as THREE SEPARATE ATTACHMENTS to the message**. The users in question were using Outlook on Windows XP and Netscape on XP respectively. Any suggestions on what I might be able to change to avoid the messages appearing as attachments? Thanks in advance for any help! Rob -- Rob Costain rcostain at sympatico.ca - 514.369.4929 Quebec English Schools Network R?CIT - http://www.qesnrecit.qc.ca Earlier today, I wrote: > I'm running Mailman 2.1.1 on Mac OS X Server. My lists are primarily > English, but a few of them are also in French and even the English ones > sometimes have French accented characters. As a result, I would like > Mailman to encode all messages as ISO-8859-1. > > Here's my problem: > A few users (particularly one subscriber using Outlook on Windows XP) > receive most of the messages as text attachments rather than a message > body. > > Accents were not displaying correctly on the main listinfo page in > certain browsers (e.g. Safari, Netscape), so I added the following to > the mm_cfg.py file: > LC_DESCRIPTIONS['en'] = ('English (USA)', 'iso-8859-1') > > While this solved the Listinfo page display problem, it caused the > attachment problem I am observing now. In playing around with > encodings, I tried adding the following to the mm_cfg.py file: > DEFAULT_CHARSET = ['iso-8859-1'] > VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['iso-2022-jp', 'iso-8859-1'] > > ...But this did not help. > > It's not a huge deal, but it is a real pain for the less 'Net savvy > subscribers who think that list messages are coming in empty with an > attachment (kind of scary for those who are virus-paranoid too.) > > Thanks in advance for any advice! From tag at cs.utah.edu Mon Apr 7 09:03:12 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 01:03:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group id Catch-22 after list move In-Reply-To: Your message of "06 Apr 2003 20:30:27 EDT." <1049675427.9073.42.camel@geddy> Message-ID: <200304070703.h3773CC12248@faith.cs.utah.edu> Yes, but the man page doesn't cover setgid scripts. Do a test of creating a simple script that prints out the {e}gid and make the script setgid to mailman. In our case it runs as the egid of mailman, not as the group of the alias file. While we're talking about uid's and indirectly security, is there any reason why mailman wants all the list dirs and files readable by others? This lets anyone with local filesystem access dump the list databases. Todd From dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de Mon Apr 7 10:09:28 2003 From: dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Sven Dittmar) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 10:09:28 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Question about language of the admin interface] In-Reply-To: <3E8D7579.4070101@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <3E8D68C6.9010907@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <3E8D7579.4070101@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3E913238.4060306@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi, > You should have set DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'de' before you create > the list. You must visit language option page and set the preferred > language for the list. I tried http://mailmanserver.de/mailman/create to create a test list and set the appropriate option: "Initial list of supported languages. Note that if you do not select at least one initial language, the list will use the server default language of German " to "German". Inside http://mailmanserver.de//mailman/admin/test it is still speaking "English", but the external pages are German now. What am I missing to set also? Or do you mean that I have to reinstall mailman with a german language option from scratch? Kind Regards, Sven From a.carter at cordis.lu Mon Apr 7 10:40:11 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:40:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web pages In-Reply-To: <3E8FB5BF.2010108@southcom.com.au> References: <3E8FB5BF.2010108@southcom.com.au> Message-ID: <200304071040.11635.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Have you added the aliases and scriptaliases in the httpd.conf file for your web server? Check out the install README for information. You need to add something like: ScriptAlias /mailman/ '/var/mailman/....' (can't remember the entire path, check out readmen) and Alias /pipermail/ '/var/mailman/...' (again check out readme). Best Regards, Anthony On Sunday 06 April 2003 07:06, Danny moss wrote: > Hi All, > > Iam trying to get web pages working in mailman but am having trouble .. > I am running redhat 8.0 and apache and send mail.. > > I seam to have the email part running I can send and receive message . > but the imbedded links to web pages do not work > > I used an rpm packeage from the redhat site, it has made the default > directory > /var/mailman > > and all the icons have been put into > /var/www/icons > but the link will not work.. > help help > > thank you for any help you can give me .. > Danny moss.. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From a.carter at cordis.lu Mon Apr 7 10:43:42 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:43:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Good News In-Reply-To: <3E8F9534.1040300@southcom.com.au> References: <3E8F8437.32A3923A@bblabs.net> <3E8F9534.1040300@southcom.com.au> Message-ID: <200304071043.42943.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> If you are using sendmail, did you add the comment in the line for /xxx/mailman/Mailman/Sendmail.py and also changed the smtp module for SMTP Direct to sendmail in the file /xxx/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py? Read the README.Sendmail (or similar) in the installation directory (I don't think the file is copied during the install, so check out the tar.gz... Best Regards, Anthony Carter On Sunday 06 April 2003 04:47, Danny moss wrote: > HI Georgeand the group, > > Name here is Danny I am just starting to setup mailmain and have run > into heaps of problems I am running redhat 8 and sendmail , I got the > rpm package from the redhat site .. > I am glad you got it going I am not so luck so far but it is all new to > me if you have any tips please sent them to me .. > > George Cohn wrote: > >After struggling for about 6 weeks, I finally got Mailman working on my > >server! > > > >I'm using RH 8 on an AMD Athlon 2 gig box with 768 megs of memory. > > > >The box has the latest version of Apache 2.0.40-11 with 2.2.2-7 Python, > >2.0.7-2 Postfix and Mailman 2.1.1. > > > >I originally tried installing the version of MM on the rpm distribution > >that came with RH 8 but could never get it to work. > > > >I finally started reading everything I could find and downloaded the > >latest versions of Python, Postfix and Mailman. > > > >The trick at long last was a mismatch between the mail host in Postfix > >(mail.example.com) and the mm-config file (example.com) Once I > >corrected the MM config, I was able to post and everything works now > >including the archives. > > > >It's been an interesting 6 weeks as I once took a unix course in the > >early '90's and never used anything I learned until now. > > > >Just thought I would let some of the newbies struggling along know that > >it can be done. Just read every readme file and try to be logical about > >it. > > > >George Cohn > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >This message was sent to: djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/djmhbtgw%40southcom.c > >om.au > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From mic at npgx.com.au Mon Apr 7 13:02:34 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:02:34 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web pages In-Reply-To: <200304071040.11635.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> References: <3E8FB5BF.2010108@southcom.com.au> <200304071040.11635.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <20030407110054.M72246@npgx.com.au> These are actually already supplied in the /etc/httpd/conf/http-mailman.conf file, all I did from there is copy it into /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf It should work from there. Michael. ---------- Original Message ----------- From: CARTER Anthony To: Danny moss , mailman-users at python.org Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:40:11 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] web pages > Have you added the aliases and scriptaliases in the httpd.conf file > for your web server? Check out the install README for information. > > You need to add something like: > > ScriptAlias /mailman/ '/var/mailman/....' (can't remember the entire > path, check out readmen) > > and > > Alias /pipermail/ '/var/mailman/...' (again check out readme). > > Best Regards, > Anthony > > On Sunday 06 April 2003 07:06, Danny moss wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Iam trying to get web pages working in mailman but am having trouble .. > > I am running redhat 8.0 and apache and send mail.. > > > > I seam to have the email part running I can send and receive message . > > but the imbedded links to web pages do not work > > > > I used an rpm packeage from the redhat site, it has made the default > > directory > > /var/mailman > > > > and all the icons have been put into > > /var/www/icons > > but the link will not work.. > > help help > > > > thank you for any help you can give me .. > > Danny moss.. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mic at npgx.com.au > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mic%40npgx.com.au ------- End of Original Message ------- From b at grabbarna.nu Mon Apr 7 13:20:05 2003 From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug reporting problem... Message-ID: Hi, I tried to report a bug in Mailman 2.1.1 but failed... after creating a sourceforge-account I visited http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=103 It states that I'm logged in in the upper right corner by the text "welcomes banan (Logout)". When I click on "Reporting" I get: "Error: Permission: User Not Found". So what to do? Anyway, the bug is that when using Swedish language instead of English in the administrative interface we have three more characters to take care of (e g 'a' and 'o' with dots over). The problem occours when the user click a button that contains these characters, e g the button (translated to english) "Send me my password" at https://mysite.com/mailman/options/thelist/the at user.com Then the user get among all the error messages: "UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)" We are using Python 2.2.2 and I guess the problem is with the Swedish characters and I guess/hope this is easy to solve. Right now the user cannot retrieve their password :-( The full message: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/pkg-local/mailman/2.1.1/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/pkg-local/mailman/2.1.1/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 234, in main mlist.MailUserPassword(user) File "/pkg-local/mailman/2.1.1/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 117, in MailUserPassword self.getMemberLanguage(user)) File "/pkg-local/mailman/2.1.1/Mailman/Message.py", line 203, in __init__ self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject') File "/pkg-local/mailman/2.1.1/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 164, in __init__ self.append(s, charset) File "/pkg-local/mailman/2.1.1/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 230, in append ustr = unicode(s, incodec) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#2, Mar 13 2003, 14:18:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2.96-112.7.1)] sys.executable /pkg-local/python/2.2.2/bin/python sys.prefix /pkg-local/python/2.2.2 sys.exec_prefix /pkg-local/python/2.2.2 sys.path /pkg-local/python/2.2.2 sys.platform linux2 From a.carter at cordis.lu Mon Apr 7 14:04:35 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:04:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML templates Message-ID: <200304071404.35936.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> How can you tell Mailman that you have changed the templates? I have changed the templates, but I don't see any changes when I browse the html??? Thanks, Anthony From Martin.Swiech at eco.cz Mon Apr 7 14:24:50 2003 From: Martin.Swiech at eco.cz (Martin Swiech) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:24:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with checkdbs Message-ID: <3E918A33.23647.10111CAD@localhost> Hi, after few weeks of using mailman 2.1.1 I find problem with checkdbs: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 139, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 126, in pending_requests text = NL.join(pending) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) I have suspect, that some users use chars with diacritic marks for their passwords. Please, have you any idea, how forbid to use chars with diacritic marks or how solve this problem? Bye Martin Swiech martin.swiech at eco.cz Czech republic From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Mon Apr 7 15:13:25 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web pages In-Reply-To: <20030407110054.M72246@npgx.com.au> References: <200304071040.11635.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <3E8FB5BF.2010108@southcom.com.au> <200304071040.11635.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030407090953.037b91b0@mail.lch-assoc.com> At 07:02 AM 4/7/2003, Michael Mansour wrote: >These are actually already supplied in the /etc/httpd/conf/http-mailman.conf >file, all I did from there is copy it into /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf > >It should work from there. Did you mean that you copied the script into /etc/httpd/conf.d/httpd.conf? Did you restart Apache after adding the changes to so they would be read? Larry >Michael. > >---------- Original Message ----------- >From: CARTER Anthony >To: Danny moss , mailman-users at python.org >Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:40:11 +0200 >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] web pages > > > Have you added the aliases and scriptaliases in the httpd.conf file > > for your web server? Check out the install README for information. > > > > You need to add something like: > > > > ScriptAlias /mailman/ '/var/mailman/....' (can't remember the entire > > path, check out readmen) > > > > and > > > > Alias /pipermail/ '/var/mailman/...' (again check out readme). > > > > Best Regards, > > Anthony > > > > On Sunday 06 April 2003 07:06, Danny moss wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Iam trying to get web pages working in mailman but am having trouble .. > > > I am running redhat 8.0 and apache and send mail.. > > > > > > I seam to have the email part running I can send and receive message . > > > but the imbedded links to web pages do not work > > > > > > I used an rpm packeage from the redhat site, it has made the default > > > directory > > > /var/mailman > > > > > > and all the icons have been put into > > > /var/www/icons > > > but the link will not work.. > > > help help > > > > > > thank you for any help you can give me .. > > > Danny moss.. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: mic at npgx.com.au > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mic%40npgx.com.au >------- End of Original Message ------- > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lhansfor%40lch-assoc.com From djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au Mon Apr 7 15:27:43 2003 From: djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au (Danny moss) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 23:27:43 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MY PROBLEM WITH THE WEB PAGES NOT WORKING IS FIXED Message-ID: <3E917CCF.6050506@southcom.com.au> Hi All , I have fixed my web page problem thank to the help from Michael. and others All I had to do was copy and rename the http-mailman.conf from the /etc/httpd/conf/http-mailman.conf to /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf ^^^ remove the http- and away it went it is all going well at the moment thank again to all the people that have given me help thank you for you time cheers Danny Moss Setup here is Redhat 8.0 Sendmail from setup disk of redhat 8.0 and mailman 2.0.13-3 rpm package from redhat site From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Apr 7 15:49:47 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 14:49:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] https for mailman use In-Reply-To: <20030407015642.M67855@npgx.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030407143721.00acc2f8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 03:02 07/04/2003, Michael Mansour wrote: >Hi, > >I've recently put mailman on-line, after a week or so of testing. > >I like the product alot. > >This is now my first day of administering the environment from a remote >location, and I realised SSL isn't being used when entering my list admin >password. > >How can I force SSL (https) connectivity for all mail web pages? > >Your help is appreciated. > >Thanks. > >Michael. You will need to: 1. make the appropriate changes to you Apache httpd.conf so that your server will only make the Mailman web interface URIs available via https. 2. assuming MM 2.1.1, assign the value of the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN MM config variable in mm_cfg.py to use the https scheme, e.g. DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' This should ensure that the web_page_url atrribute of new lists uses https 3. use $prefix/bin/fix_url.py to get the change to DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to propagate to the web_page_url attribute of any existing lists. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 7 16:47:32 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 14:47:32 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with large list In-Reply-To: <1049768891.18026.6.camel@leo.casa> References: <1049600615.6645.17.camel@geddy> <1049768746.18070.2.camel@leo.casa> <1049768891.18026.6.camel@leo.casa> Message-ID: <1049726858.2526.4.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 22:28, Leonardo S? wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 22:00, Leonardo S? wrote: > > > I've checked the apache configuration and it seems to be ok (otherwise, the > > > other lists would not be working). Rebuilding the list from scratch also > > > didn't work, and i do have 401mb ram that i think is enough for this kind of > > > job. Only the big list is not working through the web. > > > > You don't say what version of Mailman you're using. This is really > > important because I believe that 2.1 is much better than 2.0 here. But > > in either case, Mailman has to slurp the entire list database into > > memory for each web-hit. Yes, this sucks and the fix plan includes > > putting a real database backend on Mailman. If you feel adventurous, > > try using the BDBMemberAdaptor from cvs. It might be more friendly on > > memory usage due to BerkeleyDB's memory management and caching. > > > > -Barry > > > > Good idea! > > Where can I find info about this? Can I do it with MySQL? > BTW, my mailman is 2.1. > > Cheers > > Leonardo Hmmm, I've seen the problem you are having and the bottle neck really seems to be disk I/O. I've solved the problem in the past by using a small RAM disk and moving that mailing list over to the RAM disk. Note, the RAM disk must be large enough to handle the config.pck file and a copy of that file. Once you move the list over to the RAM disk, you can mount it over the current list directory. At that point you will see a dramatic increase in performance when accessing this list for modifications. You can search the archives for more details. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 7 16:53:27 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 14:53:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with checkdbs In-Reply-To: <3E918A33.23647.10111CAD@localhost> References: <3E918A33.23647.10111CAD@localhost> Message-ID: <1049727217.2526.7.camel@localhost> I hope the next version of Mailman will take care of this problem (and I think there is already a fix for it in CVS). For now you can simply use a hex-editor and change the value in the lists config.pck file. It works for me. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 08:24, Martin Swiech wrote: > Hi, > > after few weeks of using mailman 2.1.1 I find problem with checkdbs: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 139, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main > text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 126, in pending_requests > text = NL.join(pending) > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > I have suspect, that some users use chars with diacritic marks for their passwords. > > Please, have you any idea, how forbid to use chars with diacritic marks or how solve > this problem? > > Bye > > Martin Swiech > martin.swiech at eco.cz > Czech republic > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 7 16:58:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 14:58:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML templates In-Reply-To: <200304071404.35936.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> References: <200304071404.35936.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <1049727547.2526.10.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 08:04, CARTER Anthony wrote: > How can you tell Mailman that you have changed the templates? > > I have changed the templates, but I don't see any changes when I browse the > html??? > > Thanks, > Anthony > If you change the templates for a mailing list (via the web-admin) then that change takes place for any new client that attaches. It could be that you simply need to hit "reload" so that the pages are re-loaded in your web-browser. Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 7 17:15:13 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:15:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Syntax error encountered on install In-Reply-To: <200304070139.h371dYg19335@theia.erin.gov.au> References: <200304070139.h371dYg19335@theia.erin.gov.au> Message-ID: <1049728523.2532.14.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 21:39, Jonathan Bentley wrote: > done > /usr/local/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; compile_dir("/sw/mailman/2.1.1/Mailman")' > File "", line 1 > from > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall' > > > I get the same syntax error if I run /usr/local/python -c 'from compileall import *' at the command line. This seems > to indicate it's a problem with Python. Any advice would be great. > > Cheers. > > JB. > I just ran that snippet on my linux box with no problems. Do you know what version of Python you have and if you have all of python loaded (or merely some convenient bits). A lot of folks in the past have had problems on Solaris due to incomplete python installs. You could always download it from source and install it. That has worked in the past. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From miyusuf at okcu.edu Mon Apr 7 17:56:54 2003 From: miyusuf at okcu.edu (Yusuf, Mohamed Ismail) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:56:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Steps required to install configure Mailman- Help Needed Message-ID: Dear Mailman users, I am new to Linux and I can use all the help I can get. So please bear with me for submitting any stupid questions! I have successfully installed and configured server (Linux 8, Apache and Sendmail) I would appreciate if any of you will provide me with the steps (commands) required in installing and configuring Mailman from the CD as we hope to maintain a list server at the law school. Mohamed I Yusuf MESC. CNE. A+ Law Technology Services 405-521-5138 miyusuf at okcu.edu From jshaw at gtphitau.org Mon Apr 7 18:13:14 2003 From: jshaw at gtphitau.org (John Shaw) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:13:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman on SSL site Message-ID: <200304071213.14816.jshaw@gtphitau.org> For extra security I was going to install mailman under the secure part of our site. The problem is I don't know how to configure mailman to know it is on an https site instead of an http site. Anyone know how I can fix this so all the links aren't broken. John From maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch Mon Apr 7 18:18:35 2003 From: maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch (Martin Maechler) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 18:18:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces Message-ID: <3E91A4DB.3090600@stat.math.ethz.ch> I've been searching in the mailman-users archive for this problem and seem to have found the proper thread. I'm hosting about two dozen of mailing lists with web interface at http://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/ (not all are visible there). Some lists are quite active (50 msgs a day and 1600 subscribers, but less than 1000 non-digested). I've been pleased with quite a few of the new features and nicer web interface of mailman 2.1 (we are running 2.1.1). But I've got quite a few user reports about non-working confirmation strings --- and I've experienced it myself quite a bit. E.g., just today, I tried to change one of my e-mail addresses to another one, got the confirmation e-mail, but replying to it (or using the web interface with the correct confirmation string) always gave errors about invalid strings. One of the problems I'm having in debugging this, is that I don't seem to get anything in the data/logs/* files, but maybe I wasn't looking closely enough. Suggestions? [or try to subscribe to some of the lists on our site, e.g. "mm-test" (which has virtually no traffic) and see if you also get confirmation problems.] Thanks a lot in advance! From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 7 19:10:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:10:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Steps required to install configure Mailman- Help Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049735463.2532.31.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 11:56, Yusuf, Mohamed Ismail wrote: > Dear Mailman users, > > > > I am new to Linux and I can use all the help I can get. So please bear > with me for submitting any stupid questions! > > > > I have successfully installed and configured server (Linux 8, Apache and > Sendmail) I would appreciate if any of you will provide me with the > steps (commands) required in installing and configuring Mailman from the > CD as we hope to maintain a list server at the law school. > > "Linux 8" would that be any relation to Red Hat Linux version 8.0? Make sure you have all the python packages installed (including the development ones). For Mailman, your best bet is to download the latest tarball: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 download it to a temp directory and then expand the tarball: tar -xzf mailman-2.1.1.tgz This will create a directory called mailman/ off of the temp directory. Change to this directory and read the file "INSTALL" plus any number of the README files that apply to you (like the one for Sendmail and the one for Linux). Basically, you will have to create a user called mailman, and then create a group called mailman. Then run: ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache make make install You'll have to install the crontab entries after that, but that should mostly do it for you. Good Luck and look in the FAQ for more information. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 7 19:17:18 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:17:18 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman on SSL site In-Reply-To: <200304071213.14816.jshaw@gtphitau.org> References: <200304071213.14816.jshaw@gtphitau.org> Message-ID: <1049735849.2526.36.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 12:13, John Shaw wrote: > For extra security I was going to install mailman under the secure part of our > site. The problem is I don't know how to configure mailman to know it is on > an https site instead of an http site. Anyone know how I can fix this so all > the links aren't broken. > > John >From an archive message I just read this morning (from Richard Barrett)... 1. make the appropriate changes to your Apache httpd.conf so that your server will only make the Mailman web interface URIs available via https. 2. assuming MM 2.1.1, assign the value of the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN MM config variable in mm_cfg.py to use the https scheme, e.g. DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' This should ensure that the web_page_url atrribute of new lists uses https 3. use $prefix/bin/fix_url.py to get the change to DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to propagate to the web_page_url attribute of any existing lists. === From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Apr 7 19:18:17 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 18:18:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman on SSL site In-Reply-To: <200304071213.14816.jshaw@gtphitau.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030407181655.03bd6aa8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 17:13 07/04/2003, John Shaw wrote: >For extra security I was going to install mailman under the secure part of >our >site. The problem is I don't know how to configure mailman to know it is on >an https site instead of an http site. Anyone know how I can fix this so all >the links aren't broken. > >John You will need to: 1. make the appropriate changes to you Apache httpd.conf so that your server will only make the Mailman web interface URIs available via https. 2. assuming MM 2.1.1, assign the value of the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN MM config variable in mm_cfg.py to use the https scheme, e.g. DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' This should ensure that the web_page_url attribute of new lists uses https 3. use $prefix/bin/fix_url.py to get the change to DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to propagate to the web_page_url attribute of any existing lists. From daevid at daevid.com Mon Apr 7 21:51:13 2003 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:51:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I delete all members from a list in 2.0.13? Message-ID: <000601c2fd3f$0ce0eef0$a50aa8c0@Locutus> I am still running RH8 and the 2.0.13 mailman. I am writing some automation scripts that post to the list, but I don't want to keep 'spamming' all my members until it's done. (I'm the only one that posts to the list -- announce only basically). What I want to do is somehow delete all the members, add just me, test my scripts, when satisfied, put all the members back (paste all email addresses or move a file back in place or whatever). I don't see a file that contains JUST the members?! There is one 'config.db' but it seems to be binary and possibly contain other stuff too. Suggestions? Are there some scripts/tools that will facilitate this. I'm curious as to why there isn't just a single file that has all the people in it and another with config stuff. Seems kind of short-sighted unless I'm missing something here. From ashley at pcraft.com Mon Apr 7 21:57:01 2003 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:57:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I delete all members from a list in 2.0.13? References: <000601c2fd3f$0ce0eef0$a50aa8c0@Locutus> Message-ID: <3E91D80D.8080902@pcraft.com> Daevid Vincent wrote: >I don't see a file that contains JUST the members?! There is one 'config.db' >but it seems to be binary and possibly contain other stuff too. Suggestions? >Are there some scripts/tools that will facilitate this. I'm curious as to >why there isn't just a single file that has all the people in it and another >with config stuff. Seems kind of short-sighted unless I'm missing something >here. > > Have a look in the $MAILMAN//bin folder. There you'll find various scripts that will interact with config.db, which is what holds your members, plus a whole bunch of other options for your list. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From jeremyp at pobox.com Mon Apr 7 22:02:43 2003 From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:02:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I delete all members from a list in 2.0.13? In-Reply-To: <000601c2fd3f$0ce0eef0$a50aa8c0@Locutus> References: <000601c2fd3f$0ce0eef0$a50aa8c0@Locutus> Message-ID: <1049745503.2342.83.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 15:51, Daevid Vincent wrote: > I am still running RH8 and the 2.0.13 mailman. I am writing some automation > scripts that post to the list, but I don't want to keep 'spamming' all my > members until it's done. (I'm the only one that posts to the list -- > announce only basically). What I want to do is somehow delete all the > members, add just me, test my scripts, when satisfied, put all the members > back (paste all email addresses or move a file back in place or whatever). I > don't see a file that contains JUST the members?! There is one 'config.db' > but it seems to be binary and possibly contain other stuff too. Suggestions? > Are there some scripts/tools that will facilitate this. I'm curious as to > why there isn't just a single file that has all the people in it and another > with config stuff. Seems kind of short-sighted unless I'm missing something > here. > Look at the bin/dumpdb and bin/config_list programs included in your mailman distribution. You could use dumpdb on config.db to save your existing configuration (including all the members). Or get all of the configuration options with bin/config_list -o. You can remove members with bin/remove_members -a. There are lots of ways of doing this, just look around in the bin directory! Run each program with no arguments to see what the possible options are. Hope this helps, Jeremy From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 7 22:12:37 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:12:37 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I delete all members from a list in 2.0.13? In-Reply-To: <000601c2fd3f$0ce0eef0$a50aa8c0@Locutus> References: <000601c2fd3f$0ce0eef0$a50aa8c0@Locutus> Message-ID: <1049746363.3952.7.camel@localhost> Dude - why don't you create *another* list, and test your scripts on that. That's the way I do it. If you are really hot to do it to your live list, then copy the config.pck file to a backup directory and use the ~mailman/bin/sync_members command to dump one and all except for you. Once you are done, copy the original config.pck back into place, and everything is back to normal. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 15:51, Daevid Vincent wrote: > I am still running RH8 and the 2.0.13 mailman. I am writing some automation > scripts that post to the list, but I don't want to keep 'spamming' all my > members until it's done. (I'm the only one that posts to the list -- > announce only basically). What I want to do is somehow delete all the > members, add just me, test my scripts, when satisfied, put all the members > back (paste all email addresses or move a file back in place or whatever). I > don't see a file that contains JUST the members?! There is one 'config.db' > but it seems to be binary and possibly contain other stuff too. Suggestions? > Are there some scripts/tools that will facilitate this. I'm curious as to > why there isn't just a single file that has all the people in it and another > with config stuff. Seems kind of short-sighted unless I'm missing something > here. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From bhilburn at frontier.net Mon Apr 7 22:49:45 2003 From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:49:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I delete all members from a list in 2.0.13? In-Reply-To: <000601c2fd3f$0ce0eef0$a50aa8c0@Locutus> References: <000601c2fd3f$0ce0eef0$a50aa8c0@Locutus> Message-ID: <1049748585.3e91e46929031@webmail.frontier.net> You have a couple of choices and both are actually pretty easy... 1.) Use ~/mailman/bin/list_members to dump users to a text file then ~/mailman/bin/remove_users to remove them, add your self, test list then ~/mailman/bin/add_members to add everyone in the text file back to the list. 2.) Simply sent all subscribers "NOMAIL" option to ON except yours, test then set "NOMAIL" off (off - unchecked = send them an email, ON - checked = don't send email) Number one sounds a lot worse than it really is as you are just running 3 scripts that already exist, just be really careful here, you could accidentally overwrite your subscriber list! Number two is even quicker, I have included a python script here that I use for this exact same thing, probably could be a little cleaner but hey it works! You need to be careful when you copy & paste this script different apps wrap lines in bad places as far as any code is concerned, note that the line starting with "statuses" (and the two lines after) should all be on one line... Hope This Helps! ------------------------CUT HERE------------------------ #! /usr/local/bin/python # # This script when called as shown below (Usage:) will set subscribers # "NOMAIL" option on or off # # Usage: ~/mailman/bin/withlist -r nomail # # NOTE: # # To set "NOMAIL" to on (do not send mail to subscriber) # change the line "list.setDeliveryStatus(member, MemberAdaptor.ENABLED)" # to list.setDeliveryStatus(member, MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN) # # To set "NOMAIL" to off (send mail to subscriber) # change the line "list.setDeliveryStatus(member, MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN)" # to list.setDeliveryStatus(member, MemberAdaptor.ENABLED) # # Notice the "if" that is commented out, remove the comment and this script # will operate only on the email address specified here. # # import sys import getopt import paths from Mailman import mm_cfg from Mailman.i18n import _ from Mailman import MemberAdaptor def statusstr(status): return ('ENABLED', 'UNKNOWN', 'BYUSER', 'BYADMIN', 'BYBOUNCE')[status] def nomail(list): statuses = (MemberAdaptor.ENABLED, MemberAdaptor.UNKNOWN, MemberAdaptor.BYUSER, MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN, MemberAdaptor.BYBOUNCE) for status in statuses: members = list.getDeliveryStatusMembers((status,)) for member in members: print member, statusstr(status) # if(member == 'bhilburn at frontier.net'): list.Lock() list.setDeliveryStatus(member, MemberAdaptor.ENABLED) print _('Saving list') list.Save() list.Unlock() sys.exit(0) ------------------------CUT HERE------------------------ Quoting Daevid Vincent : > I am still running RH8 and the 2.0.13 mailman. I am writing some automation > scripts that post to the list, but I don't want to keep 'spamming' all my > members until it's done. (I'm the only one that posts to the list -- > announce only basically). What I want to do is somehow delete all the > members, add just me, test my scripts, when satisfied, put all the members > back (paste all email addresses or move a file back in place or whatever). > I > don't see a file that contains JUST the members?! There is one 'config.db' > but it seems to be binary and possibly contain other stuff too. > Suggestions? > Are there some scripts/tools that will facilitate this. I'm curious as to > why there isn't just a single file that has all the people in it and > another > with config stuff. Seems kind of short-sighted unless I'm missing something > here. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bhilburn at frontier.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bhilburn%40frontier.net > Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! From GHHalley at earthlink.net Mon Apr 7 23:23:14 2003 From: GHHalley at earthlink.net (earthlink GHHalley) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords Message-ID: <233465623.20030407142314@earthlink.net> Howdy, Is there a way that the administrator can see the password for an individual user? from the web or from root command line? Thanks in advance, George Halley From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Mon Apr 7 23:29:19 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 17:29:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords In-Reply-To: <233465623.20030407142314@earthlink.net> References: <233465623.20030407142314@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030407212919.GE25851@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 earthlink GHHalley wrote: > Is there a way that the administrator can see the password for an > individual user? from the web or from root command line? Yes. Using bin/dumpdb you can dump the list config and see subscribers passwords. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ If you're not confused, you're not paying attention -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+ke2vuv+09NZUB1oRAkwZAKCih3bs94d/0e3NkpkXZRscOfwBpQCg5nN3 HqL08XWJc950pirAQrTPVqE= =8P77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Apr 8 01:08:55 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:08:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: possible bug with mail confirmation In-Reply-To: <1049608749.6645.53.camel@geddy> References: <20030404213903.GG17294@hq.newdream.net> <1049608749.6645.53.camel@geddy> Message-ID: <20030407230855.GC7972@hq.newdream.net> On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 04:27:00PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 16:39, Will Yardley wrote: > > I wrote earlier about some suggested improvements with the confirmation > > by mail function. > > > > Here's another thing - if you insert an 'Approved: ' string that's > > incorrect, the message is deleted (in a way that's unrecoverable, > > AFAICT). My suggestion is that you get an error message back instead, > > stating that the password is incorrect. > I must not quite understand this bug. Can you submit a bug report, > including the full recipe to reproduce it? Will do. I don't know how to explain it much better than that - only that if you type: Approved: passwrd in the headers of a response to the confirmation message, when the actual password is 'password', the message you're trying to approve is discarded; I think that no action (and an "incorrect password" error message in response) would be more appropriate. Also, as I've mentioned before, it would be very nice if the exact action being performed were listed, rather than the generic "confirmation succeeded" message. Bug report here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=717110&group_id=103&atid=100103 Full recipe to reproduce it is to type in the wrong password when approving a message via email (I suppose "don't type the wrong password" is one possible answer to this, but it's not really a realistic or constructive one). -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Tue Apr 8 01:13:32 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:13:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request (email confirmation) In-Reply-To: <1049600887.6665.22.camel@geddy> References: <20030205223918.GL25693@hq.newdream.net> <1049600887.6665.22.camel@geddy> Message-ID: <20030407231332.GD7972@hq.newdream.net> On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 04:26:52PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 17:39, Will Yardley wrote: > > It seems like it would be nice to setup a method of confirmation > > for *approving* messages that uses a unique token instead of the > > list password; > I like this idea. Please add it to the SourceForge feature request > tracker. Done.... https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=717113&group_id=103&atid=350103 -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Tue Apr 8 01:16:01 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:16:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Headers and Footers Message-ID: Hello, I have Mailman and Sendmail running on freebsd 4.7 I am having a little problem in that there are not headers or footers being inserted in to the posts. Any help would be greatly appreciative Joe From listmom at travellercentral.com Tue Apr 8 01:22:55 2003 From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 16:22:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDig Integration in 2.1.1 broken In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Help. I've been running with HTDig working fine since version 1.x. I just built and installed 2.1.1 (over a working version of 2.1) and searching no longer works. I've read over the INSTALL readme, but something seems to be missing. Has anyone out there made the transition successfully? If so, could you contact me? Thanks, Tod From jonc at NC.RR.COM Tue Apr 8 02:03:45 2003 From: jonc at NC.RR.COM (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 00:03:45 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Headers and Footers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049760239.3952.12.camel@localhost> Mailman version? What do you have setup for the Headers (and footers) - what should they say? What do you get instead? MIME attachements? Are you sending html or plain text emails? On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 19:16, jsmith wrote: > Hello, > > > > I have Mailman and Sendmail running on freebsd 4.7 > > > > I am having a little problem in that there are not headers or footers > being inserted in to the posts. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciative > > Joe > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 8 02:07:32 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 00:07:32 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDig Integration in 2.1.1 broken In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049760460.3952.16.camel@localhost> Mine works fine. Did you apply the patches to your 2.1.1 source files before installing? Did you setup the htdig parameters in the ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file? Have you tried running the indexing manually to see that the indexes are being generated properly? What version of HTDig are you using? The shipped version with RedHat is a Beta and I had a lot of problems with it. I dropped back to the stable version and that worked much, much, much better! Good Luck - Jon Carnes === On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 19:22, Listmom wrote: > Help. > > I've been running with HTDig working fine since version 1.x. I just built > and installed 2.1.1 (over a working version of 2.1) and searching no longer > works. I've read over the INSTALL readme, but something seems to be > missing. > > Has anyone out there made the transition successfully? If so, could you > contact me? > > Thanks, Tod From mic at npgx.com.au Tue Apr 8 02:10:03 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:10:03 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web pages In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030407090953.037b91b0@mail.lch-assoc.com> References: <200304071040.11635.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <3E8FB5BF.2010108@southcom.com.au> <200304071040.11635.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030407090953.037b91b0@mail.lch-assoc.com> Message-ID: <20030408000616.M70626@npgx.com.au> No, just copied the (redhat-supplied?) httpd-mail.conf file to /etc/httpd/conf.d (but renaming it to mailman.conf). After restarting apache, all works from there. After reading the README file in the conf.d directory, apache says it reads this directory on start, thus avoiding the modifications to httpd.conf Michael. > At 07:02 AM 4/7/2003, Michael Mansour wrote: > >These are actually already supplied in the /etc/httpd/conf/http-mailman.conf > >file, all I did from there is copy it into /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf > > > >It should work from there. > > Did you mean that you copied the script into /etc/httpd/conf.d/httpd.conf? > > Did you restart Apache after adding the changes to so they would be read? > > Larry > > >Michael. From p.feral at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 8 06:28:47 2003 From: p.feral at worldnet.att.net (PRISCILLA FERAL) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:28:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] number of list members Message-ID: <000801c2fd87$5a2ac580$7da75a0c@FRIENDSF5E843U> How many members on a list can be mailed at one time? We have a relatively small list of 2,000, but hope it will grow. Bob Friends of Animals From pjh at mccc.edu Tue Apr 8 03:55:47 2003 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Message-ID: I just found out that our list server is running v1.1 of mailman! Are there pitfalls in upgrading to the lates version? Thx. From rod at neep.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 8 04:05:56 2003 From: rod at neep.demon.co.uk (Rod Neep) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 03:05:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Headers and Footers In-Reply-To: <1049760239.3952.12.camel@localhost> References: <1049760239.3952.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: >On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 19:16, jsmith wrote: >> I am having a little problem in that there are not headers or footers >> being inserted in to the posts. If posts are made to the mailing list in HTML format, then the inbuilt HTML code has and and that will kill Mailman's headers and footers. The only simple and practical way around the problem is to not allow HTML posts. In "Content Filtering": (Mailman 2.1.1) 1. "Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the settings below? " set to YES 2. "Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? " set to YES This also overcomes problems the recipients have when receiving mail in digest mode (as that shows all of the actual HTML code!), and it will also provide you with clean, neat archives too. Regards Rod Neep -- British-Genealogy.com - For British Family History web : http://www.british-genealogy.com From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Apr 8 04:32:01 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:32:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] number of list members In-Reply-To: <000801c2fd87$5a2ac580$7da75a0c@FRIENDSF5E843U>; from p.feral@worldnet.att.net on Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 09:28:47PM -0700 References: <000801c2fd87$5a2ac580$7da75a0c@FRIENDSF5E843U> Message-ID: <20030407223201.A29517@dogpound.vnet.net> * PRISCILLA FERAL (p.feral at worldnet.att.net) wrote: > How many members on a list can be mailed at one time? We have a relatively small list of 2,000, but hope it will grow. Depends on the system/email system/connection speed/mailman version/etc. But a list of 2000 shouldn't be too much of a problem. Check the FAQ and the README.* files for mroe pointers for optimizing yoru system. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ How long will a floating point operation float? From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Apr 8 05:06:17 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:06:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces In-Reply-To: <3E91A4DB.3090600@stat.math.ethz.ch>; from maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch on Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 06:18:35PM +0200 References: <3E91A4DB.3090600@stat.math.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <20030407230617.B29517@dogpound.vnet.net> * Martin Maechler (maechler at stat.math.ethz.ch) wrote: > But I've got quite a few user reports about non-working confirmation > strings --- and I've experienced it myself quite a bit. E.g., just > today, I tried to change one of my e-mail addresses to another one, > got the confirmation e-mail, but replying to it (or using the web > interface with the correct confirmation string) always gave errors about > invalid strings. Barry posted just yesterday about this issue. He commented that another developer has done some work on the CVS version that might have fixed this problem. So 2 suggestions. 1. checkout the cvs tree and see if it did (not recommended) 2. wait for 2.1.2, that release should have the necessary fixes, if they can track down the problem. But this is a known issue, its being worked on. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ Programming Department: mistakes made while you wait. From matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net Tue Apr 8 05:09:07 2003 From: matthew.davis at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading In-Reply-To: ; from pjh@mccc.edu on Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 09:55:47PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20030407230907.C29517@dogpound.vnet.net> * Pete Holsberg (pjh at mccc.edu) wrote: > I just found out that our list server is running v1.1 of > mailman! > > Are there pitfalls in upgrading to the lates version? Check the UPGRADING file in the mailman 2.1.1 tarball. It has a little section about 1.x versions. Highly suggest upgrading. 2.1 is very much nice. -- Matthew Davis http://dogpound.vnet.net/ The wise open their minds, but a fool opens his mouth. From mike at CamaroSS.net Tue Apr 8 06:07:36 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005901c2fd84$64142f30$6801a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Are there pitfalls to upgrading a .rpm installation of 2.0.13 to 2.1.1? My concern is when a 2.1.1 rpm is released, something might get screwed when I run apt-get. Thoughts? Mike -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Pete Holsberg Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:56 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading I just found out that our list server is running v1.1 of mailman! Are there pitfalls in upgrading to the lates version? Thx. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From hilary at contentcompany.biz Tue Apr 8 06:12:35 2003 From: hilary at contentcompany.biz (Hilary Marsh) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:12:35 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman pages to seem more like my site Message-ID: Hi all, I just joined this list. I have an email list through mailman, and I'd like to make it look and feel more like my site. In addition, it's a newsletter, so there are several options on the usual subscription info page that are different or not relevant. I need help with two issues: 1) With my basic knowledge of HTML, I can eliminate irrelevant areas and change wording here and there. But I can't really see my corrections in order to test them. 2) I'm nervous when it comes to *adding* HTML code. I can add the header and footer elements from my site, changing the links from relative to fixed, so subscribers can go in and out. But by doing that, will I mess up the page's functionality? Thanks!! --Hilary -- Hilary Marsh president content company inc plan * create * manage http://www.contentcompany.biz From mic at npgx.com.au Tue Apr 8 09:00:29 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:00:29 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error emails to my root account Message-ID: <20030408065813.M47936@npgx.com.au> Hi, I have mailman v2.0.13-13 running on a production server (RH8), let's call it Server1. On another server (called Server2), which doesn't have mailman running but has it installed (it's part of the standard RH8 installation procedure), I keep getting the following errors emailed to my root account on that machine (Server2): From: Cron Daemon To: mailman at cheetah.npgx.com.au Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 84, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ? import random File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 92, in ? _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 1.71552776992141) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 87, in _verify raise ValueError( ValueError: computed value for NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed 1.71553, expected 1.71553) I've done nothing special on Server2, it's a production RAS, Radius and Squid server and only runs sendmail for local mail delivery. Any ideas why I'm getting such emails? there's heaps of them mailed to me each minute or so. Michael. From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Apr 8 10:52:15 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:52:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error emails to my root account In-Reply-To: <20030408065813.M47936@npgx.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030408093427.00abee40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 08:00 08/04/2003, Michael Mansour wrote: >Hi, > >I have mailman v2.0.13-13 running on a production server (RH8), let's call it >Server1. > >On another server (called Server2), which doesn't have mailman running but has >it installed (it's part of the standard RH8 installation procedure), I keep >getting the following errors emailed to my root account on that machine >(Server2): > >From: Cron Daemon >To: mailman at cheetah.npgx.com.au >Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 84, in ? > from Mailman import Utils > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ? > import random > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 92, in ? > _verify('NV_MAGICCONST', NV_MAGICCONST, 1.71552776992141) > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/random.py", line 87, in _verify > raise ValueError( >ValueError: computed value for NV_MAGICCONST deviates too much (computed >1.71553, expected >1.71553) > >I've done nothing special on Server2, it's a production RAS, Radius and Squid >server and only runs sendmail for local mail delivery. > >Any ideas why I'm getting such emails? there's heaps of them mailed to me each >minute or so. > >Michael. You say the machine is not running Mailman but the error refutes this. The mail is saying that a cron job is active, which is running Mailman's qrunner script. Have you checked root's crontab and what is in /etc/cron* to see what is there. As to the actual exception being raised, this seems to arise from internal checking that the Python random module performs when it is loaded, but I cannot help you with the reasons why this exception might occur. From b at grabbarna.nu Tue Apr 8 11:19:48 2003 From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:19:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow BCC Message-ID: Hi, I've looked into the Mailman 2.1.1 FAQ and in Mailman/Defaults.py but I cannot find an option for allowing people to post by BCC. 1. Is it possible to allow BCC posts? 2. What's the reason for not allowing BCC posts by default? Best, Jan From stone at hkust.se Tue Apr 8 11:40:00 2003 From: stone at hkust.se (Magnus Stenman) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:40:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Mailman web interfaces and design References: <200304031437.23656.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <3E9298F0.2254774F@hkust.se> Check out patch 687704 "use external style sheet config option" http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=687704&group_id=103&atid=300103 /magnus CARTER Anthony wrote: > > Hi, > > I am looking for a means of customizing the mailman we pages. I have noticed > that some pages can be edited via the interface, but I would like to make > more drastic changes (removing links to admin page for example). > > My first thing that I would like to do is, if possible, to add our own CSSs > to the web pages. Does anyone know if this is possible, and if so, where do > I start? > > Thanks, > Anthony Carter > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: stone at hkust.se > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/stone%40hkust.se From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Apr 8 11:44:30 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:44:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTDig Integration in 2.1.1 broken In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030408100550.04743a20@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 00:22 08/04/2003, Listmom wrote: >Help. > >I've been running with HTDig working fine since version 1.x. I just built >and installed 2.1.1 (over a working version of 2.1) and searching no longer >works. I've read over the INSTALL readme, but something seems to be >missing. > >Has anyone out there made the transition successfully? If so, could you >contact me? > >Thanks, Tod Are you using the Mailman/htdig integration patch #444884 or are you 'manually' setting up Htdig to provide search facilities for your list archives. I can help with the former. But you say you have been using Htdig in conjunction with MM since MM version 1.x and the integration patch was first posted for MM 2.0.3 so maybe you are not using the integration patch. If you are using patch #444884 read on, otherwise turn off: 1. have you got the latest patch version from sourceforge (htdig-2.1.1-0.4.patch.gz). 2. have you also installed the other patches #444884 depends on [currently #444879, #661138 and #668685 - these last two are bug fixes for vanilla MM 2.1.1]. 3. have you checked the INSTALL.htdig-mm file (installed by patch #444884) carefully and in particular noted the comments under the heading "Upgrading to htdig-2.1.1-0.2.patch or later from an earlier patch version". There are also some changes in the configuration variables associated with the latest version of the patch, which closes a security exploit. You will need to change the integration patch related MM configuration variables in mm_cfg.py if you are upgrading from an earlier version of the patch. This is all described in INSTALL.htdig-mm. 4. what do you mean by searching no longer works? 5. have you run the nightly_htdig cron script from the command line with the -v option and what does that output? 6. are the search forms embedded in list TOC pages? 7. what version of Htdig are you using? As noted in INSTALL.htdig-mm I have only tested against Htdig 3.1.6 Some problems have been reported by people using the beta Htdig 3.2 which is being shipped with some Linux distributions. I have upgraded from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 via 2.1 using the htdig integration patches and the current patch works for me. Thus far nobody has reported substantive problems with the latest patch version. That is not to say there are not any; just that nobody has notified me of problem - yet. From mic at npgx.com.au Tue Apr 8 13:39:24 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:39:24 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval of messages Message-ID: <20030408113128.M88024@npgx.com.au> Hi, I've recently put online a new mailing list and have had some users join it. On the first posting (after mine) to the list from a user, I got an "Approval" email sent to me with the reason: Reason: Message may contain administrivia Seems to be mispelled to me, but I'm guessing Mailman believes an administrative request was sent. I'm using mailman 2.0.13-3 on Red Hat 8.0. The person only sent an email with the subject "Who" and it was a general comment to the list and really shouldn't have been intercepted as an administrative comment. In looking through the options that could have caused this, the only one I found was: (Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones that seem to be administrative requests? which I have set to yes. Is this filter that generic that it pics up these types of messages all the time? I would have expected it to pickup things like "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" but not "Who". Any ideas??? I'll be turning it off for now just to see how things go, as I want to be stimulating conversation at the moment so people can really get into the list. Michael. From mksmith at noanet.net Tue Apr 8 14:53:43 2003 From: mksmith at noanet.net (Michael K. Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 05:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.1 Upgrade - Odd Email Behavior Message-ID: <20030408055033.J1815-100000@chimera.noanet.net> Hello All: I'm seeing odd behavior with one of my users. We just upgraded from 2.0.12 and, upon doing so, one of my users is now receiving all list distributions as an attachment to email rather than being included in the body of the message. I have confirmed that all of my other users are receiving messages normally, and emails sent by this user show up on the list normally as well. I have deleted and re-added the user to the various lists in which he participates. I apologize if this is a chair-and-keyboard issue. If anyone has seen this before and knows how to fix it I would appreciate it. Thanks, Mike From n8 at langhirano.it Tue Apr 8 15:40:07 2003 From: n8 at langhirano.it (Nico Alberti) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:40:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (python?) troubles installing mailman 2.1.1 Message-ID: <3E92D137.8010108@langhirano.it> Hi everybody. I probably have a python issue, so excuse me if I post here I am trying to install mailman 2.1.1 on a fresh stock Mandrake 9.1 (gcc 3.2.2, python 2.2.2) but, I cannot make it start. mailmanctl start dies with this error message: 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Could not find platform dependent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): Could not find platform independent libraries Could not find platform dependent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] Traceback (most recent call last): 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? import getopt ImportError: No module named getopt File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? import getopt [cut] In previous messages I read that a similar error could be caused by a bad python installation, but this is the diagnostic output that was suggested: I don't see anything wrong (but I don't know python at all, so maybe someone else may notice something odd in the lines below): python -v # /usr/lib/python2.2/site.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/site.py import site # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/site.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/os.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/os.py import os # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/os.pyc import posix # builtin # /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.py import stat # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.py import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.py import copy_reg # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/types.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/types.py import types # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/types.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.py import __future__ # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.pyc # /usr/lib/python2.2/string.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/string.py import string # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/string.pyc dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/strop.so", 2); import strop # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/strop.so Python 2.2.2 (#2, Feb 5 2003, 10:40:08) [GCC 3.2.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.1-5mdk)] on linux-i386 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/readline.so", 2); import readline # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/readline.so >>> import site >>> site.__file__ '/usr/lib/python2.2/site.pyc' >>> ^Z # clear __builtin__._ # clear sys.path # clear sys.argv # clear sys.ps1 # clear sys.ps2 # clear sys.exitfunc # clear sys.exc_type # clear sys.exc_value # clear sys.exc_traceback # clear sys.last_type # clear sys.last_value # clear sys.last_traceback # restore sys.stdin # restore sys.stdout # restore sys.stderr # cleanup __main__ # cleanup[1] __future__ # cleanup[1] signal # cleanup[1] site # cleanup[1] posix # cleanup[1] types # cleanup[1] exceptions # cleanup[1] strop # cleanup[1] readline # cleanup[1] string # cleanup[2] stat # cleanup[2] copy_reg # cleanup[2] posixpath # cleanup[2] UserDict # cleanup[2] os # cleanup[2] os.path # cleanup sys # cleanup __builtin__ # cleanup ints: 4 unfreed ints in 1 out of 5 blocks # cleanup floats Can anybody give me a hint? On different Mandrake distributions 2.1b ran like a charm. Thanks in advance, and apologies for the long post From dwight at significant.com Tue Apr 8 16:09:08 2003 From: dwight at significant.com (Dwight Ernest) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:09:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'process' Message-ID: <3E92D804.70600@significant.com> Any ideas on this? This has brought 17,000 mailman users to their knees (and to my phone and email box): MM 2.1.1: Apr 08 10:03:57 2003 (20895) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object has no attribute 'process' Apr 08 10:03:57 2003 (20895) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in _dispose return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'process' Apr 08 10:03:57 2003 (20895) SHUNTING: 1049803236.489061+24037ff46bd58f849bf9a9646db1dd90bb863d2c From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 8 17:32:38 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:32:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: ??? Mailman in parallel on Unix and Linux ??? In-Reply-To: <030408085135.ZM4894@exter.amd.com> References: <030226154236.ZM19418@exter.amd.com> <1046307678.1651.43.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <030408085135.ZM4894@exter.amd.com> Message-ID: <1049815974.2264.10.camel@localhost> A lot of folks don't like this, but the default for version 2.1 is to have the "envelope" sender be -bounces. This means that if the mail gets rejected or bounced, the rejected mail goes back to Mailman for processing. The envelope is different from the message. The sender of the message is either the original sender or the list address (depending your Mailman settings for that list). Now, if you hit reply and the reply tries to go to -bounces, then something is wrong. And I would guess that the problem lays with the MTA on your Sun box. For some reason it would be message sender with the envelope sender. That being the case, what is processing the mail on your Sun box? And more importantly: - what do the message headers for an email look like before hitting your Sun box - while on the Sun box - - after being forwarded by the Sun box? Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 02:51, Roland Krause wrote: > Hi Jon, > > I hope to get an answer sooner when I ask you directly and not a mailing > list :-) > > Some times ago you answered my question regarding Mailman on Unix and Linux. > Now I have the following environment (email list mailman2): > > Mailserver: SunOS 5.5.1 Generic_103640-28 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-60 > with following lines in aliases file: > > mailman2-subscribe mailman2-subscribe at ddl016 > mailman2-owner mailman2-owner at ddl016 > mailman2-bounces mailman2-bounces at ddl016 > mailman2 mailman2 at ddl016 > mailman2-confirm mailman2-confirm at ddl016 > mailman2-leave mailman2-leave at ddl016 > mailman2-join mailman2-join at ddl016 > mailman2-request mailman2-request at ddl016 > mailman2-admin mailman2-admin at ddl016 > mailman2-unsubscribe mailman2-unsubscribe at ddl016 > > Webserver: Linux 2.4.19-4GB #1 Fri Sep 13 13:19:15 UTC 2002 i686 unknown > On this machine new mailman is running. Following excerpt from aliases file: > > mailman2-confirm: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman confirm mailman2" > mailman2-join: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman join mailman2" > mailman2-subscribe: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman subscribe mailman2" > mailman2: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman post mailman2" > mailman2-admin: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman admin mailman2" > mailman2-bounces: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman bounces mailman2" > mailman2-leave: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman leave mailman2" > mailman2-owner: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman owner mailman2" > mailman2-request: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman request mailman2" > mailman2-unsubscribe: "|/user/mailman2/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman2" > > > It works so far. The only problem I have now is that if I send an email > to mailman2 all list members get the mail delivered by mailman2-bounces. > Even if I turn off automatic bounce processing for this list. What's wrong? > Could you explain my how the way of an email over a mailman list to a list- > member is? Why is mailman2-bounces the supplier? > > Thank you in advance. > Roland > From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Apr 8 17:35:08 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval of messages In-Reply-To: <20030408113128.M88024@npgx.com.au> References: <20030408113128.M88024@npgx.com.au> Message-ID: <20030408153508.GO25851@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael Mansour wrote: > The person only sent an email with the subject "Who" and it was a general > comment to the list and really shouldn't have been intercepted as an > administrative comment. [...] > Is this filter that generic that it pics up these types of messages all the > time? I would have expected it to pickup things like "subscribe" or > "unsubscribe" but not "Who". 'who' is a list command just as subscribe or unsubscribe is, so yes, the administrivia filter catches it. It will get caught if it's used as the only word in the subject or on a line by itself in the body. I don't know all the rules of how the filter works, but using a subject like "Who is here?" won't trip the filter, but "who" will. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ A budget is just a method of worrying before you spend money, as well as afterward. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+kuwsuv+09NZUB1oRApYmAKDjPxsUK4TvSqCU+mj3RgEvrybIsQCgsD6e MEPvu0e1ENbkpqbOq0dlGt0= =0yXk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nrv at gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov Mon Apr 7 21:03:42 2003 From: nrv at gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nancy Vandenberg) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:03:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract list of subscribers? Message-ID: <3E91CB8E.6010104@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov> Is there a way to extract the entire list of subscribers to a file? On the mass-subscription GUI you can upload a file with a list of people to be subscribed, but is there a way to do the reverse? Thanks, Nancy Vandenberg From tyler at beloit.edu Tue Apr 8 16:55:16 2003 From: tyler at beloit.edu (Tim Tyler) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:55:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving limit? Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030408093950.037d3f98@beloit.edu> Mailman experts, Is it possible to limit archives to 1 or X year(s) worth of content? Is it possible for list managers to manage the archives in terms of removing older content (say all content older than a year)? Tim Tyler Network Engineer - Beloit College tyler at beloit.edu From vas7c at cms.mail.virginia.edu Mon Apr 7 16:19:00 2003 From: vas7c at cms.mail.virginia.edu (Vrinda Ashok Shah) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 10:19:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confusion! Message-ID: <1738720527.1049710740@CH16.eservices.virginia.edu> This system is so confusing. I am the owner of several lists and I have been getting messages that say that I have to release some messages, but I have no clue where to go to release these messages. The emails are not being sent to me. Furthermore, when I, the owner, try to send an email out to the list I get the same message. When other people try to send messages I do not get any notification saying I have a message waiting to be released. How does this system work!? There's no explanation. Vrinda owner of: sduva sdmods sdofficers From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Tue Apr 8 18:20:33 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:20:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confusion! Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D026@STJOSEPHMAIL> Sounds to me that the lists are set to "require moderator approval" for every message that hits the list. I'd turn this off if it's that bad :) Good place to start is: http://domainname.ext/mailman/admin/listname/privacy There's an option under "General Posting Filters" that says "Must posts be approved by an Administrator" ?? Set this to "no" if you want the users to post directly to the list. --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Vrinda Ashok Shah [mailto:vas7c at cms.mail.virginia.edu] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:19 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] confusion! This system is so confusing. I am the owner of several lists and I have been getting messages that say that I have to release some messages, but I have no clue where to go to release these messages. The emails are not being sent to me. Furthermore, when I, the owner, try to send an email out to the list I get the same message. When other people try to send messages I do not get any notification saying I have a message waiting to be released. How does this system work!? There's no explanation. Vrinda owner of: sduva sdmods sdofficers ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep h.mo.us From r.barbieri at carpinet.it Tue Apr 8 18:44:19 2003 From: r.barbieri at carpinet.it (Roberto Barbieri) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:44:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix(chroot) + mailman Message-ID: <006901c2fdee$1b1a2fe0$c429d40a@rbarbieri> Hello! I've a running postfix 1.1.12 installation with TLS and SASL support on a Linux RH 8.0 box and all is working fine. Now i've installed Mailman 2.0.13 (the rpm wich comes with redhat) and i'm setting up my mailing list. The problem i'm having is that as postfix run in a chrooted environement i can't get access to the mailman wrapper binary. The error i see from the logs is: Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/smtpd[16052]: connect from alpha.mydomain.org[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/smtpd[16052]: 7A881103D5: client=alpha.mydomain.org[216.36.92.141] Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/cleanup[16053]: 7A881103D5: message-id= Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/qmgr[15384]: 7A881103D5: from=, size=2077, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/smtpd[16052]: disconnect from alpha.mydomain.org[216.36.92.141] Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost Mailman mail-wrapper: Permission denied Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/local[16055]: 7A881103D5: to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 4: "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mylist". Command output: Permission denied ) Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/cleanup[16053]: A12A4103D6: message-id=<20030408151844.A12A4103D6 at mailhost.mydomain.org> Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/qmgr[15384]: A12A4103D6: from=<>, size=3875, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 8 15:18:44 mailhost postfix/smtp[16058]: A12A4103D6: to=, relay=mail.mydomain.org[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx], delay=0, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as CDF8A49C50) How i can get mailman to work with my chrooted postfix? Thanks in advance for any help Roberto From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Apr 8 18:59:25 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix(chroot) + mailman In-Reply-To: <006901c2fdee$1b1a2fe0$c429d40a@rbarbieri> References: <006901c2fdee$1b1a2fe0$c429d40a@rbarbieri> Message-ID: <20030408165925.GP25851@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roberto Barbieri wrote: > The problem i'm having is that as postfix run in a chrooted environement > i can't get access to the mailman wrapper binary. Hmm. I'm no expert, but I would guess that most people running Postfix do so in a chrooted environment. However, the local and pipe daemons don't run chrooted. Are you sure that's what's causing your problem? Here's a quote taken from /etc/postfix/master.cf: # Chroot: whether or not the service runs chrooted to the mail queue # directory (pathname is controlled by the queue_directory configuration # variable in the main.cf file). Presently, all Postfix daemons can run # chrooted, except for the pipe, virtual and local delivery daemons. # The files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory describe how # to set up a Postfix chroot environment for your type of machine. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ I believe in the noble, aristocratic art of doing absolutely nothing. And someday, I hope to be in a position where I can do even less. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+kv/tuv+09NZUB1oRAgu5AJ404Hk/pHZABTa7WirdOa95oiJlmACg/Zas zFRuVKd9QG0llzSwhrsK4/w= =DGah -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From support at envirolink.org Tue Apr 8 21:05:37 2003 From: support at envirolink.org (EnviroLink Support) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo-style email based commands Message-ID: Hi - The Mailman features page at http://list.org/features.html mentions that Mailman supports "Majordomo-style email based commands." I haven't been able to find any documentation about this. Can someone point me to some documentation? Are the commands available only to list subscribers, or can list owners manage lists via email as well? Thanks- Marla -- EnviroLink Network User Support support at envirolink.org P.O. Box 8102, Pittsburgh, PA 15217 http://www.envirolink.org http://support.enviroweb.org From nrv at gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov Tue Apr 8 21:08:47 2003 From: nrv at gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Nancy Vandenberg) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:08:47 EDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to display a real-name list Message-ID: <20030408190851.1C8575B65@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov> Is there a way on the members web options page to display the "real" names of the members? If you click on "Visit Subscriber List" you get the e-mail addresses but not the names. Thanks, Nancy Vandenberg From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 01:25:14 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:25:14 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.1 Upgrade - Odd Email Behavior In-Reply-To: <20030408055033.J1815-100000@chimera.noanet.net> References: <20030408055033.J1815-100000@chimera.noanet.net> Message-ID: <1049844330.2264.26.camel@localhost> Sounds like he has his system set to a default char-set that is different from the one your list is using as it's default. Just an idea. On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 08:53, Michael K. Smith wrote: > Hello All: > > I'm seeing odd behavior with one of my users. We just upgraded from > 2.0.12 and, upon doing so, one of my users is now receiving all list > distributions as an attachment to email rather than being included in the > body of the message. > > I have confirmed that all of my other users are receiving messages > normally, and emails sent by this user show up on the list normally as > well. I have deleted and re-added the user to the various lists in which > he participates. > > I apologize if this is a chair-and-keyboard issue. If anyone has seen > this before and knows how to fix it I would appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 01:34:59 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:34:59 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow BCC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049844905.2263.34.camel@localhost> You can allow posting via BCC. You would set this in the web-admin. The default is that the list name has to explicitly appear in the TO or CC fields. This is an anti-spam measure. You leave yourself open to spam by allowing posts via BCC. Hope that clears things up a bit - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 05:19, Jan Banan wrote: > Hi, > > I've looked into the Mailman 2.1.1 FAQ and in Mailman/Defaults.py but I > cannot find an option for allowing people to post by BCC. > > 1. Is it possible to allow BCC posts? > 2. What's the reason for not allowing BCC posts by default? > > Best, > Jan > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 01:40:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:40:09 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving limit? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030408093950.037d3f98@beloit.edu> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030408093950.037d3f98@beloit.edu> Message-ID: <1049845213.2264.39.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 10:55, Tim Tyler wrote: > Mailman experts, > Is it possible to limit archives to 1 or X year(s) worth of > content? Is it possible for list managers to manage the archives in terms > of removing older content (say all content older than a year)? > > > Tim Tyler > Network Engineer - Beloit College > tyler at beloit.edu Yes. This is actually fairly easy to do, but it is not a function of Mailman. I've setup scripts for some clients that do this on a monthly basis: move older data out of the archives. You can find more descriptions of this in the archives. Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 01:44:25 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:44:25 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'process' In-Reply-To: <3E92D804.70600@significant.com> References: <3E92D804.70600@significant.com> Message-ID: <1049845479.2263.42.camel@localhost> Did you figure it out? It's such an odd error that WATBE I would have to guess that you've run out of resources, like RAM... Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 10:09, Dwight Ernest wrote: > Any ideas on this? This has brought 17,000 mailman users to their knees > (and to my phone and email box): > > MM 2.1.1: > > Apr 08 10:03:57 2003 (20895) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object > has no attribute 'process' > Apr 08 10:03:57 2003 (20895) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in _dispose > return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in > _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in > _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'process' > > Apr 08 10:03:57 2003 (20895) SHUNTING: > 1049803236.489061+24037ff46bd58f849bf9a9646db1dd90bb863d2c > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 01:47:31 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:47:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring Mailman pages to seem more like my site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049845665.2263.45.camel@localhost> Create a second list - a test list - and play with that one. Once you get it working great, apply the same changes to your operational list. You'll find a lot of advice on howto modify the html for individual lists in the archives. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 00:12, Hilary Marsh wrote: > Hi all, > > I just joined this list. I have an email list through mailman, and > I'd like to make it look and feel more like my site. In addition, > it's a newsletter, so there are several options on the usual > subscription info page that are different or not relevant. > > I need help with two issues: > > 1) With my basic knowledge of HTML, I can eliminate irrelevant areas > and change wording here and there. But I can't really see my > corrections in order to test them. > > > 2) I'm nervous when it comes to *adding* HTML code. I can add the > header and footer elements from my site, changing the links from > relative to fixed, so subscribers can go in and out. But by doing > that, will I mess up the page's functionality? > > Thanks!! > > --Hilary From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 01:50:38 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:50:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extract list of subscribers? In-Reply-To: <3E91CB8E.6010104@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <3E91CB8E.6010104@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1049845828.2264.48.camel@localhost> If you have access to the command line of the server, then you can run one of the Mailman commands: ~mailman/bin/list_members On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 15:03, Nancy Vandenberg wrote: > Is there a way to extract the entire list of subscribers to a file? > On the mass-subscription GUI you can upload a file with a list of > people to be subscribed, but is there a way to do the reverse? > > Thanks, > Nancy Vandenberg > From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 01:51:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:51:49 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to display a real-name list In-Reply-To: <20030408190851.1C8575B65@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov> References: <20030408190851.1C8575B65@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1049845926.2264.50.camel@localhost> Not currently, but it is an up-and-coming feature. On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 15:08, Nancy Vandenberg wrote: > Is there a way on the members web options page to display the > "real" names of the members? If you click on "Visit Subscriber > List" you get the e-mail addresses but not the names. > > Thanks, > Nancy Vandenberg > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 01:57:42 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 23:57:42 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error emails to my root account In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030408093427.00abee40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030408093427.00abee40@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1049846260.2264.53.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 04:52, Richard Barrett wrote: > Have you checked root's crontab and what is in /etc/cron* to see what is there. > > As to the actual exception being raised, this seems to arise from internal > checking that the Python random module performs when it is loaded, but I > cannot help you with the reasons why this exception might occur. > Also, check out the crontab for user "mailman": crontab -u mailman -e If you are not running Mailman on this server, then be sure to comment out all the lines in this crontab! Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 02:01:23 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:01:23 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo-style email based commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049846493.2263.57.camel@localhost> There is a great deal of documentation for this in the archives. Mailman allows you a lot of email-based commands, but not as much as Majordomo. The reasoning behind this is that Mailman's greatest strength is the simplicity with which it can managed via a web-browser. Most everything is available via the web-admin. The lists are designed to be setup and managed via the web. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 15:05, EnviroLink Support wrote: > Hi - > > The Mailman features page at http://list.org/features.html mentions that > Mailman supports "Majordomo-style email based commands." I haven't been > able to find any documentation about this. Can someone point me to some > documentation? > > Are the commands available only to list subscribers, or can list owners > manage lists via email as well? > > Thanks- > Marla From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 02:07:36 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:07:36 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix(chroot) + mailman In-Reply-To: <20030408165925.GP25851@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <006901c2fdee$1b1a2fe0$c429d40a@rbarbieri> <20030408165925.GP25851@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <1049846868.2263.61.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 12:59, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Roberto Barbieri wrote: > > The problem i'm having is that as postfix run in a chrooted environement > > i can't get access to the mailman wrapper binary. > > Hmm. I'm no expert, but I would guess that most people running Postfix do > so in a chrooted environment. However, the local and pipe daemons don't run > chrooted. Are you sure that's what's causing your problem? Here's a quote > taken from /etc/postfix/master.cf: > > # Chroot: whether or not the service runs chrooted to the mail queue > # directory (pathname is controlled by the queue_directory configuration > # variable in the main.cf file). Presently, all Postfix daemons can run > # chrooted, except for the pipe, virtual and local delivery daemons. > # The files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory describe how > # to set up a Postfix chroot environment for your type of machine. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ============================================================================ > I believe in the noble, aristocratic art of doing absolutely nothing. And > someday, I hope to be in a position where I can do even less. I have to agree with Todd here. Try installing Mailman from source - and reading all the README's that are in the Source of Mailman. RPM's do not install Mailman very well, and I suspect that this particular RPM is designed to use Sendmail rather than Postfix. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 02:15:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:15:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (python?) troubles installing mailman 2.1.1 In-Reply-To: <3E92D137.8010108@langhirano.it> References: <3E92D137.8010108@langhirano.it> Message-ID: <1049847358.2264.66.camel@localhost> The most common problem with Python seems to be from incomplete installs (folks who install via rpm, but skip some of the python modules by not installing all the python rpms - including the development ones). You can look at the python rpms by typing in: rpm -qa |grep python However, that does not look like your problem. It looks more like Mailman simply cannot find your python executable: which python Did you install from an RPM? If so, you may want to install from source. In fact, you may wish to use one of the switches on the ./configure step and point Mailman to the python executable. The specifics for howto do this are in the file INSTALL that is included with the source. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 09:40, Nico Alberti wrote: > Hi everybody. I probably have a python issue, so excuse me if I post here > > I am trying to install mailman 2.1.1 on a fresh stock Mandrake 9.1 (gcc > 3.2.2, python 2.2.2) but, I cannot make it start. > > mailmanctl start dies with this error message: > > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > Could not find platform dependent libraries > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > Traceback (most recent call last): > Could not find platform independent libraries > Could not find platform dependent libraries > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > Traceback (most recent call last): > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > import getopt > ImportError: No module named getopt > File "/var/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > import getopt > [cut] > > In previous messages I read that a similar error could be caused by a > bad python installation, but this is the diagnostic output that was > suggested: I don't see anything wrong (but I don't know python at all, > so maybe someone else may notice something odd in the lines below): > > python -v > # /usr/lib/python2.2/site.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/site.py > import site # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/site.pyc > # /usr/lib/python2.2/os.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/os.py > import os # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/os.pyc > import posix # builtin > # /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py > import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.pyc > # /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.py > import stat # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/stat.pyc > # /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.py > import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/UserDict.pyc > # /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.py > import copy_reg # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/copy_reg.pyc > # /usr/lib/python2.2/types.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/types.py > import types # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/types.pyc > # /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.py > import __future__ # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.pyc > # /usr/lib/python2.2/string.pyc matches /usr/lib/python2.2/string.py > import string # precompiled from /usr/lib/python2.2/string.pyc > dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/strop.so", 2); > import strop # dynamically loaded from > /usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/strop.so > Python 2.2.2 (#2, Feb 5 2003, 10:40:08) > [GCC 3.2.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.1-5mdk)] on linux-i386 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/readline.so", 2); > import readline # dynamically loaded from > /usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/readline.so > >>> import site > >>> site.__file__ > '/usr/lib/python2.2/site.pyc' > >>> ^Z > # clear __builtin__._ > # clear sys.path > # clear sys.argv > # clear sys.ps1 > # clear sys.ps2 > # clear sys.exitfunc > # clear sys.exc_type > # clear sys.exc_value > # clear sys.exc_traceback > # clear sys.last_type > # clear sys.last_value > # clear sys.last_traceback > # restore sys.stdin > # restore sys.stdout > # restore sys.stderr > # cleanup __main__ > # cleanup[1] __future__ > # cleanup[1] signal > # cleanup[1] site > # cleanup[1] posix > # cleanup[1] types > # cleanup[1] exceptions > # cleanup[1] strop > # cleanup[1] readline > # cleanup[1] string > # cleanup[2] stat > # cleanup[2] copy_reg > # cleanup[2] posixpath > # cleanup[2] UserDict > # cleanup[2] os > # cleanup[2] os.path > # cleanup sys > # cleanup __builtin__ > # cleanup ints: 4 unfreed ints in 1 out of 5 blocks > # cleanup floats > > > Can anybody give me a hint? On different Mandrake distributions 2.1b ran > like a charm. > > Thanks in advance, and apologies for the long post > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From rhinojo at sccs.swarthmore.edu Wed Apr 9 04:26:03 2003 From: rhinojo at sccs.swarthmore.edu (Rafael Hinojosa) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 1.1 to 2.1.x Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've scoured the archives and checked the web. I think I have an inkling as to how this is done, but I figured I would ask the list to see if there is anything specifc you all recommend. The situation is that I have a server that is running mailman 1.1, configured to work with postfix. Besides some of its quirks, mailman works great as far as we're concerned. We would like to migrate the data to another server that would be running the more recent version of mailman, 2.1.1. I've tried just copying the data files, but that doesn't seem to work. >From some of the archives, I gathered that I may need to update my current install from 1.1 to 2.0.x and then try to migrate the data over to the new server. Both systems are running debian, so I believe that upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0.x should be too much of a problem. I'm wondering if anyone has attempted this, or if anyone can offer any suggestions as to how to make this work. TIA, --Raf ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rafael A. Hinojosa rhinojo at sccs.swarthmore.edu From barry at python.org Wed Apr 9 06:29:31 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:29:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo-style email based commands In-Reply-To: <1049846493.2263.57.camel@localhost> References: <1049846493.2263.57.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1049858989.22099.13.camel@geddy> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 20:01, Jon Carnes wrote: > There is a great deal of documentation for this in the archives. > Mailman allows you a lot of email-based commands, but not as much as > Majordomo. The reasoning behind this is that Mailman's greatest > strength is the simplicity with which it can managed via a web-browser. > > Most everything is available via the web-admin. The lists are designed > to be setup and managed via the web. Note that MM2.1's architecture makes it pretty easy to add new email commands, assuming we can determine the right syntax and handle any security issues that may be relevant. If there are specific email commands that you think are missing, please submit a feature request to the SourceForge trackers. -Barry From barry at python.org Wed Apr 9 06:39:39 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:39:39 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approval of messages In-Reply-To: <20030408153508.GO25851@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20030408113128.M88024@npgx.com.au> <20030408153508.GO25851@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <1049859596.22046.19.camel@geddy> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 11:35, Todd wrote: > I don't know all the rules of how the filter works, but using a subject like > "Who is here?" won't trip the filter, but "who" will. It's fairly well hidden, and in fact this is some dinosaur-old code. For the Pythonically inclined, search Mailman/Utils.py for the is_administrivia() function. Above that is a dictionary of email commands to 2-tuples of the form (min #args, max #args). The tuple specifies the minimum and maximum number of arguments to the command that must be present for it to be recognized as a command. The "who" command has a min and max of 0, so a bare "who" in the Subject will definitely trip it. -Barry From barry at python.org Wed Apr 9 06:49:29 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:49:29 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces In-Reply-To: <3E91A4DB.3090600@stat.math.ethz.ch> References: <3E91A4DB.3090600@stat.math.ethz.ch> Message-ID: <1049860188.22099.25.camel@geddy> On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 12:18, Martin Maechler wrote: > But I've got quite a few user reports about non-working confirmation > strings --- and I've experienced it myself quite a bit. E.g., just > today, I tried to change one of my e-mail addresses to another one, > got the confirmation e-mail, but replying to it (or using the web > interface with the correct confirmation string) always gave errors about > invalid strings. I believe we have a working theory about why this happens, even though we don't quite understand the root cause (perhaps a race condition in the LockFile.py implementation?). Thomas Wouters implemented a fix that will show up in Mailman 2.1.2, and I expect to release that patch very soon now, depending on how soon I can finish my taxes. :) Adventurous folks can check out the cvs version. Adventurous folk who also happen to be tax accountants in the Washington DC area can donate to the cause by helping me finish my taxes :). -Barry From barry at python.org Wed Apr 9 06:52:05 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:52:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman on SSL site In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030407181655.03bd6aa8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030407181655.03bd6aa8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <1049860343.22099.28.camel@geddy> On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 13:18, Richard Barrett wrote: > You will need to: > > 1. make the appropriate changes to you Apache httpd.conf so that your > server will only make the Mailman web interface URIs available via https. > > 2. assuming MM 2.1.1, assign the value of the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN MM config > variable in mm_cfg.py to use the https scheme, e.g. > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > > This should ensure that the web_page_url attribute of new lists uses https > > 3. use $prefix/bin/fix_url.py to get the change to DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to > propagate to the web_page_url attribute of any existing lists. This sounds like an excellent answer to a FAQ. Richard, can you add this to the FAQwiz? -Barry From b at grabbarna.nu Wed Apr 9 08:38:08 2003 From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow BCC In-Reply-To: <1049844905.2263.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > This is an anti-spam measure. You leave yourself open to spam by > allowing posts via BCC. In all my lists I have set up so that only list subscribers can post. Then there should be no reason to disallow BCC or? I don't see why I should get spam to the list if only list subscribers could post. /Jan From phf1 at free.fr Wed Apr 9 10:13:25 2003 From: phf1 at free.fr (phf1 at free.fr) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:13:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple moderators Message-ID: <1049876005.3e93d625319a7@imp.free.fr> Hello, In the general options, I have declared several mail adresses for moderators, but the moderators do not receive the requests for approval. The request is only sent to the list owner. Any idea why ? Thank you Philippe From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 9 12:13:51 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:13:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple moderators In-Reply-To: <1049876005.3e93d625319a7@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030409111132.00abeb68@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 09:13 09/04/2003, phf1 at free.fr wrote: >Hello, > > >In the general options, I have declared several mail adresses for moderators, >but the moderators do not receive the requests for approval. The request is >only sent to the list owner. > >Any idea why ? > Have you assigned a value for the moderator password? >Thank you > >Philippe From phf1 at free.fr Wed Apr 9 12:29:46 2003 From: phf1 at free.fr (phf1 at free.fr) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:29:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple moderators Message-ID: <1049884186.3e93f61a5a0b3@imp.free.fr> Yes, there is a password for the moderator. >At 09:13 09/04/2003, phf1 at free.fr wrote: >Hello, > > > >In the general options, I have declared several mail adresses for moderators, >but the moderators do not receive the requests for approval. The request is >only sent to the list owner. > > >Any idea why ? > > > > >Have you assigned a value for the moderator password? > > >Thank you > > >Philippe From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 9 13:35:28 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:35:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approve, but send delayed? Message-ID: <20030409113528.GO17288@charite.de> Is there any way of approving a message, but asking mailman to send this message around at a later date/time? Why that? We have a mailman list for 10.000 users here called "rundmail". It's moderated, but since the messages that go there usually don't need to be delivered instantly, it would suffice to approve them in the morning but send them later. E.g. approve at 12:00, but queue for sending at 22:00. That way the "rundmail" wouldn't affect the normal Mail but could be approved instantly (instead of waiting till the evening and then forgetting approval). Is that possible? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 9 13:37:51 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:37:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two stage approval Message-ID: <20030409113751.GP17288@charite.de> Is there something like a two-stage approval? We have a moderated list where the mail must be: * a plain-text mail with no attachments (due to the large number of recipients) -- which is a technical criterion for approval * correct -- meaning the contents must match certain criteria -- which is a NON-technical criterion for approval So, the idea would be to have a tech approve the mail if it fulfills the technical criteria and then have a "suit" approve the contents. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From hillson at iastate.edu Wed Apr 9 14:56:34 2003 From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:56:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 1.1 to 2.1.x In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Raf, My suggestion would be do not upgrade from 1.1 to 2.1.1. This is what I did on my old system when I moved it up. 1. export all of your lists to text files. listname.txt. copy them to a safe place. 2. warn everyone the system is going down for a while while you upgrade. 3. tar the old directory and save it in a save place. 4. install Mailman 2.1.1 on the new server, and be sure you follow instructions in INSTALL file. Check the INSTALL.MTA file for special instructions for your MTA. 5. follow all the instruction in the INSTALL file to configure the new setup. 6. make sure the new install is working correctly. 7. recreate your lists with the same names and import all your users from the text files. 8. test to make sure everything is working and announce to your users that the server is back up. Good luck, --Tom /--------------------------------------------------------- | Tom Hillson Computer Services Manager |(515) 294-1543 College of Agriculture | Iowa State University --------------------------------------------------------- |"The only thing I have too much of is too little time" At 10:26 PM -0400 4/8/03, Rafael Hinojosa wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I've scoured the archives and checked the web. I think I have an inkling >as to how this is done, but I figured I would ask the list to see if there >is anything specifc you all recommend. > >The situation is that I have a server that is running mailman 1.1, >configured to work with postfix. Besides some of its quirks, mailman >works great as far as we're concerned. > >We would like to migrate the data to another server that would be running >the more recent version of mailman, 2.1.1. > >I've tried just copying the data files, but that doesn't seem to work. > >>From some of the archives, I gathered that I may need to update my current >install from 1.1 to 2.0.x and then try to migrate the data over to the new >server. Both systems are running debian, so I believe that upgrading from >1.1 to 2.0.x should be too much of a problem. > >I'm wondering if anyone has attempted this, or if anyone can offer any >suggestions as to how to make this work. > >TIA, > >--Raf > -- From sb.list at sb.org Wed Apr 9 14:56:46 2003 From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:56:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Known bug with confirmation string & excessive bounces In-Reply-To: <1049860188.22099.25.camel@geddy> Message-ID: On 4/8/03 11:49 PM, "Barry Warsaw" wrote: > On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 12:18, Martin Maechler wrote: > >> But I've got quite a few user reports about non-working confirmation >> strings --- and I've experienced it myself quite a bit. E.g., just >> today, I tried to change one of my e-mail addresses to another one, >> got the confirmation e-mail, but replying to it (or using the web >> interface with the correct confirmation string) always gave errors about >> invalid strings. > > I believe we have a working theory about why this happens, even though > we don't quite understand the root cause (perhaps a race condition in > the LockFile.py implementation?). > > Thomas Wouters implemented a fix that will show up in Mailman 2.1.2, and > I expect to release that patch very soon now, depending on how soon I > can finish my taxes. :) This happens to me consistently, as I reported on Mailman-developers on March 29. I can reproduce it at will. My lists are not very busy. A race condition is practically impossible. I'm using a March 29 CVS build. Here's my message of 3/29/03: > In 2.1.1+ (confirmed with a fresh CVS build today), when a user replies to a > confirmation message sent by Mailman in response to an email address change > (on the web page), Mailman changes the address, but replies with an error > (below). This confuses users. > > The subscribe log has entries for the new address as "pending", then as "new", > with no errors or apparent problems. > > It seems odd to me that this hasn't been reported as a bug, since it appears > to have been around for several months, at least. Or is there something broken > in my Mailman installation? I'm on OS X Server 10.2.4. > > BTW, note the typo "you are not current a member". - Stoney From n8 at langhirano.it Wed Apr 9 16:12:23 2003 From: n8 at langhirano.it (Nico Alberti) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:12:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (python?) troubles installing mailman 2.1.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E942A47.1080107@langhirano.it> > Did you install from an RPM? If so, you may want to install from > source. In fact, you may wish to use one of the switches on the > ./configure step and point Mailman to the python executable. > I first tried to install from a RPM, but after I saw this problem, I compiled mailman from source. ./configure did not give me any warning, and I know it checks also the python environment (python-devel.rpm needs to be installed, and so I did). I also specified the --with-python=/path/to/python but without luck. Everything seems ok, just like the old pc I am migrating from, and where mailman 2.1b runs smoothly (comiled from source too) Thanks for your answer, but the problem is probably somewhere else :-( > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > -- Ciao Nico From khera at kcilink.com Wed Apr 9 16:50:12 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:50:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two stage approval In-Reply-To: <20030409113751.GP17288@charite.de> References: <20030409113751.GP17288@charite.de> Message-ID: <16020.13092.239320.694401@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "RH" == Ralf Hildebrandt writes: RH> * a plain-text mail with no attachments (due to the large number of RH> recipients) -- which is a technical criterion for approval Can't you make mailman enforce this using its content filters? From r2d2 at yebo.co.za Wed Apr 9 17:06:08 2003 From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:06:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with checkdbs In-Reply-To: <1049727217.2526.7.camel@localhost> References: <3E918A33.23647.10111CAD@localhost> <1049727217.2526.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200304091706.08564.r2d2@yebo.co.za> I found that in some of the lists that I host, people were able to add an e-mail address twice, and also have illegal characters in the email addresses. ie: joe`something at domain.com. Hope there will be a fix for this in the next release. BTW, the hex-editor helped to remove the addresses with the illegal characters. Thanks for the tip. Regards JvdW On Monday 07 April 2003 16:53, Jon Carnes wrote: > I hope the next version of Mailman will take care of this problem (and I > think there is already a fix for it in CVS). For now you can simply use > a hex-editor and change the value in the lists config.pck file. It > works for me. > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 08:24, Martin Swiech wrote: > > Hi, > > > > after few weeks of using mailman 2.1.1 I find problem with checkdbs: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 139, in ? > > main() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 80, in main > > text += '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 126, in pending_requests > > text = NL.join(pending) > > UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) > > > > I have suspect, that some users use chars with diacritic marks for their > > passwords. > > > > Please, have you any idea, how forbid to use chars with diacritic marks > > or how solve this problem? > > > > Bye > > > > Martin Swiech > > martin.swiech at eco.cz > > Czech republic > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: r2d2 at yebo.co.za > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r2d2%40yebo.co.za From toby at vidiom.com Wed Apr 9 19:51:42 2003 From: toby at vidiom.com (Toby Wahlers) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:51:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling HTML scrubbing altogether Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030409114111.0301bfb0@mail.vidiom.com> All of our lists are for private company use only. Not only is it ok by me for users to send HTML mail, it is preferred in some instances. Mailman 2.1.x does not mess with the message itself, but scrubs the HTML in the archives. It seems that no setting in Content filtering completely disables HTML scrubbing. Has anyone done this? From ckolar at imsa.edu Wed Apr 9 20:10:20 2003 From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:10:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm 2.1.1 dies after system upgrade: no mod getopt Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> Hello. I have been happily running 2.1.1 and recently had to upgrade my OS (to Mandrake 9.1 using python 2.2.2). In addition to the expected problems, Mailman stopped working. I went through the configure/install process without many problems. When I try to start the mailman service I get 10 pages of the following: ... 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? import getopt ImportError: No module named getopt File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? import getopt ImportError: No module named getopt File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? import getopt ImportError: No module named getopt Could not find platform independent libraries Could not find platform dependent libraries Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? import getopt ImportError: No module named getopt I have seen some other posts to the list mentioning problems with python installations. I would appreciate it is anyone could shed light on this problem. Thanks, --chris /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ Christopher G. Kolar Coordinator of Information and Technology Integration Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy ckolar at imsa.edu -- staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar -- PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72 Information literacy news, tools, and programs: infoliteracy-subscribe at iti.cnsnet.imsa.edu From b at grabbarna.nu Wed Apr 9 20:27:43 2003 From: b at grabbarna.nu (Jan Banan) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:27:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow BCC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049912881.2526.7.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 02:38, Jan Banan wrote: > > This is an anti-spam measure. You leave yourself open to spam by > > allowing posts via BCC. > > In all my lists I have set up so that only list subscribers can post. Then > there should be no reason to disallow BCC or? I don't see why I should get > spam to the list if only list subscribers could post. > > /Jan ...because anyone can claim to be anyone in email... and most spammers do not use their own email addresses. They use someone elses (like maybe yours). !/Jan From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 20:31:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:31:49 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approve, but send delayed? In-Reply-To: <20030409113528.GO17288@charite.de> References: <20030409113528.GO17288@charite.de> Message-ID: <1049913121.2525.11.camel@localhost> That is not currently a part of Mailman, but it could be hacked into it. An easy way would be to replace the -request alias with a script that holds approvals until a specified time. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 07:35, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > Is there any way of approving a message, but asking mailman to send > this message around at a later date/time? > > Why that? We have a mailman list for 10.000 users here called "rundmail". > > It's moderated, but since the messages that go there usually don't > need to be delivered instantly, it would suffice to approve them in > the morning but send them later. E.g. approve at 12:00, but queue for > sending at 22:00. That way the "rundmail" wouldn't affect the normal > Mail but could be approved instantly (instead of waiting till the > evening and then forgetting approval). > > Is that possible? From barry at python.org Wed Apr 9 20:32:20 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:32:20 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm 2.1.1 dies after system upgrade: no mod getopt In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> Message-ID: <1049913327.2966.5.camel@barry> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:10, Christopher Kolar wrote: > Hello. I have been happily running 2.1.1 and recently had to upgrade my OS > (to Mandrake 9.1 using python 2.2.2). In addition to the expected > problems, Mailman stopped working. I went through the configure/install > process without many problems. When I try to start the mailman service I > get 10 pages of the following: > ImportError: No module named getopt > > I have seen some other posts to the list mentioning problems with python > installations. I would appreciate it is anyone could shed light on this > problem. I'm betting Mandrake shuffled their Python packages again. Be sure you install any -devel or other Python rpms in addition to the basic ones. Let us know which one you find getopt in so we can update the documentation. :( -Barry From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 20:35:19 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:35:19 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling HTML scrubbing altogether In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030409114111.0301bfb0@mail.vidiom.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030409114111.0301bfb0@mail.vidiom.com> Message-ID: <1049913341.2525.15.camel@localhost> The built-in archiver for Mailman is Pipermail. This is a rather convenient but limited archiver. If you want to archive HTML based emails properly, then you should take a look at using Mhonarc. Mhonarc works fine with Mailman and links into your lists transparently. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 13:51, Toby Wahlers wrote: > All of our lists are for private company use only. Not only is it ok by me > for users to send HTML mail, it is preferred in some instances. Mailman > 2.1.x does not mess with the message itself, but scrubs the HTML in the > archives. It seems that no setting in Content filtering completely disables > HTML scrubbing. Has anyone done this? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 20:39:08 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:39:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm 2.1.1 dies after system upgrade: no mod getopt In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> Message-ID: <1049913569.2526.18.camel@localhost> It sounds like a python problem. Try installing python from source on your server and see if that clears up the problem. Note: this is the second complaint this week about accessing Python on Mandrake 9.1 system. Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:10, Christopher Kolar wrote: > Hello. I have been happily running 2.1.1 and recently had to upgrade my OS > (to Mandrake 9.1 using python 2.2.2). In addition to the expected > problems, Mailman stopped working. I went through the configure/install > process without many problems. When I try to start the mailman service I > get 10 pages of the following: > ... > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > Traceback (most recent call last): > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > import getopt > ImportError: No module named getopt > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > import getopt > ImportError: No module named getopt > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > import getopt > ImportError: No module named getopt > Could not find platform independent libraries > Could not find platform dependent libraries > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > import getopt > ImportError: No module named getopt > > I have seen some other posts to the list mentioning problems with python > installations. I would appreciate it is anyone could shed light on this > problem. > > Thanks, > > --chris > > > > > /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ > Christopher G. Kolar > Coordinator of Information and Technology Integration > Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy > ckolar at imsa.edu -- > staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar -- PGP Public Key > ID: 0xC6492C72 > Information literacy news, tools, and programs: > infoliteracy-subscribe at iti.cnsnet.imsa.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 20:41:44 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:41:44 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple moderators In-Reply-To: <1049884186.3e93f61a5a0b3@imp.free.fr> References: <1049884186.3e93f61a5a0b3@imp.free.fr> Message-ID: <1049913712.2526.20.camel@localhost> Are the email addresses written one per line? (no punctuation added) What version of Mailman is this? On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 06:29, phf1 at free.fr wrote: > Yes, there is a password for the moderator. > > > > > >At 09:13 09/04/2003, phf1 at free.fr wrote: > >Hello, > > > > > > > >In the general options, I have declared several mail adresses for moderators, > >but the moderators do not receive the requests for approval. The request is > >only sent to the list owner. > > > > > >Any idea why ? > > > > > > > > > >Have you assigned a value for the moderator password? > > > > > >Thank you > > > > > >Philippe > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 20:44:51 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:44:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two stage approval In-Reply-To: <16020.13092.239320.694401@yertle.int.kciLink.com> References: <20030409113751.GP17288@charite.de> <16020.13092.239320.694401@yertle.int.kciLink.com> Message-ID: <1049913911.2525.24.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 10:50, Vivek Khera wrote: > >>>>> "RH" == Ralf Hildebrandt writes: > > RH> * a plain-text mail with no attachments (due to the large number of > RH> recipients) -- which is a technical criterion for approval > > Can't you make mailman enforce this using its content filters? > I imagine that the content filters actually automate the "Technical" approval - so all they need to do is add the "suits" as moderators. Jon Carnes From ckolar at imsa.edu Wed Apr 9 20:48:55 2003 From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:48:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm 2.1.1 dies after system upgrade: no mod getopt In-Reply-To: <1049913569.2526.18.camel@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409134434.04339dd8@mail.imsa.edu> To answer Barry's question, here are the packages that Mandrake installed in the upgrade: >[root at iti root]# rpm -qa | grep python >python-2.2.2-6mdk >libpython2.2-2.2.2-6mdk >python-fam-1.0.2-2mdk >rpm-python-4.0.4-28mdk >python-base-2.2.2-6mdk >postgresql-python-7.3.2-5mdk >python-docs-2.2.2-6mdk >libpython2.2-devel-2.2.2-6mdk >python-numeric-22.0-2mdk >python-imaging-1.1.3-1mdk While I look for additional packages, one thing that Mandrake did on my box as to severely harden permissions. /usr/bin was changed to 751 which gave me problems when trying to recompile Mm as user mailman (the configure script reported missing pieces, apparently because it could not read the directory contents). Just thought I'd share that bit. Thanks. --chris At 01:39 PM 4/9/2003, Jon Carnes wrote: >It sounds like a python problem. Try installing python from source on >your server and see if that clears up the problem. > >Note: this is the second complaint this week about accessing Python on >Mandrake 9.1 system. > >Jon Carnes > >On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:10, Christopher Kolar wrote: > > Hello. I have been happily running 2.1.1 and recently had to upgrade > my OS > > (to Mandrake 9.1 using python 2.2.2). In addition to the expected > > problems, Mailman stopped working. I went through the configure/install > > process without many problems. When I try to start the mailman service I > > get 10 pages of the following: > > ... > > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > Could not find platform independent libraries > > Could not find platform dependent libraries > > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > > > I have seen some other posts to the list mentioning problems with python > > installations. I would appreciate it is anyone could shed light on this > > problem. > > > > Thanks, > > > > --chris > > > > > > > > > > /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ > > Christopher G. Kolar > > Coordinator of Information and Technology Integration > > Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy > > ckolar at imsa.edu -- > > staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar -- PGP Public Key > > ID: 0xC6492C72 > > Information literacy news, tools, and programs: > > > infoliteracy-subscribe at iti.cnsnet.imsa.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ Christopher G. Kolar Coordinator of Information and Technology Integration Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy ckolar at imsa.edu -- staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar -- PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72 Information literacy news, tools, and programs: infoliteracy-subscribe at iti.cnsnet.imsa.edu From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Wed Apr 9 20:58:13 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 20:58:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Website virtual hosting Message-ID: <20030409185813.GD43659@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Hi list, Looking through the docs, I've managed to setup mailman in such a way that it utilizes virtual domains on the mail-side, but for some reason, I've not yet found the right setup to also have virtually-hosted mailman admin pages. What ideally I'd like to achieve would be, that for when mailman is approached via the web on http://lists.domain1.net, it will only show the lists hosted at *.domain1.net, while when accessing the same mailman setup via http://lists.domain2.net, it only shows lists present in *.domain2.net .. is this at all possible ? Gr, Nils. From ckolar at imsa.edu Wed Apr 9 21:26:59 2003 From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 14:26:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm 2.1.1 dies after system upgrade: no mod getopt In-Reply-To: <1049913327.2966.5.camel@barry> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409142342.0445d1f0@mail.imsa.edu> At 01:35 PM 4/9/2003, you wrote: >On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:10, Christopher Kolar wrote: > > Hello. I have been happily running 2.1.1 and recently had to upgrade > my OS > > (to Mandrake 9.1 using python 2.2.2). In addition to the expected > > problems, Mailman stopped working. I went through the configure/install > > process without many problems. When I try to start the mailman service I > > get 10 pages of the following: > > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > > > I have seen some other posts to the list mentioning problems with python > > installations. I would appreciate it is anyone could shed light on this > > problem. > >I'm betting Mandrake shuffled their Python packages again. Be sure you >install any -devel or other Python rpms in addition to the basic ones. >Let us know which one you find getopt in so we can update the >documentation. :( > >-Barry Turns out that it is probably a bigger problem. getopt is in /usr/lib/python2.2, when I moved around the lines in qrunner it complained that it could not find the module signal. It looks like it is not finding the directory. Is there a place where I need to set the above path. Also for the docs, gcc is now 750, so when you build as non-root (mailman) you need to add mailman to the ctools group which has r+x permission. --chris From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 21:56:43 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:56:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Website virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <20030409185813.GD43659@imhotep.yuckfou.org> References: <20030409185813.GD43659@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Message-ID: <1049918225.2526.32.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:58, Nils Vogels wrote: > Hi list, > > Looking through the docs, I've managed to setup mailman in such a way that it > utilizes virtual domains on the mail-side, but for some reason, I've not yet > found the right setup to also have virtually-hosted mailman admin pages. > > What ideally I'd like to achieve would be, that for when mailman is approached > via the web on http://lists.domain1.net, it will only show the lists hosted at > *.domain1.net, while when accessing the same mailman setup via > http://lists.domain2.net, it only shows lists present in *.domain2.net .. is > this at all possible ? > > Gr, > > Nils. > Yes. Check the ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py file (but make changes to the mm_cfg.py file). Good Luck - Jon Carnes From claw at kanga.nu Wed Apr 9 22:31:52 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:31:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow BCC In-Reply-To: Message from Jan Banan of "09 Apr 2003 14:28:02 EDT." <1049912881.2526.7.camel@localhost> References: <1049912881.2526.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <6048.1049920312@kanga.nu> On 09 Apr 2003 14:28:02 -0400 Jan Banan wrote: > On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 02:38, Jan Banan wrote: >>> This is an anti-spam measure. You leave yourself open to spam by a >>> allowing posts via BCC. This is barely true (two incidents here in 3 years) if you authenticate posts be Return-Path/envelope instead of From:. >> In all my lists I have set up so that only list subscribers can >> post. Then there should be no reason to disallow BCC or? I don't see >> why I should get spam to the list if only list subscribers could >> post. Spammers forge mail, and forge addresses on mail. > ...because anyone can claim to be anyone in email... and most spammers > do not use their own email addresses. They use someone elses (like > maybe yours). Which is why authentication on envelope works so well. ObNote: The new trick of using compromised Windows zombies as spam mail relays will remove most of the value of authenticating by envelope or From: -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From PHF1 at free.fr Wed Apr 9 23:02:06 2003 From: PHF1 at free.fr (PHF1 at free.fr) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:02:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple moderators Message-ID: <1049922125.3e948a4df423f@imp.free.fr> The email addresses are written one per line with no ponctuation. The verson of mailman is : version 2.1.1 >Are the email addresses written one per line? (no punctuation added) >What version of Mailman is this? > > >On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 06:29, phf1 at free.fr wrote: >On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 06:29, phf1 at free.fr wrote: > Yes, there is a password for the moderator. > > > > > >At 09:13 09/04/2003, phf1 at free.fr wrote: > >Hello, > > > > > > > >In the general options, I have declared several mail adresses for moderators, > >but the moderators do not receive the requests for approval. The request is > >only sent to the list owner. > > > > > >Any idea why ? > > > > > > > > > >Have you assigned a value for the moderator password? > > > > > >Thank you > > > > > >Philippe > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jsullivan at mlsnet.com Wed Apr 9 22:55:19 2003 From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:55:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove users. Message-ID: Hi - I have a newsletter that I send out to about 50000 addresses. It is a one way deal - I don't want the subscribers to post messages. However a lot of them hit the reply to button and send emails back asking to be removed or something like that. I have it moderated so only an admin can approve a post but now every time I go in there I find like 70-90 pending posts - mostly undeliverable and some responses - they all need to be manually discarded. Is it possible to setup so that either when they reply it goes to another email rather then the one I use for posting? Or how can limit who can send to that address - I guess anyone can but is there a way that I can say that if it doesn't come from this address then shoot back an auto-response saying sorry this is a one way mailing list and at the same time eliminating their messages from being posted in my emails pending request queue. Another way around me having to delete the 70 or more pending requests would be if I could get the default option in the pending windows page to discard rather then defer. It takes a lot of time to go through 70 emails and change the option to discard. Any help - thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. John From sherryml at kc.rr.com Wed Apr 9 04:45:46 2003 From: sherryml at kc.rr.com (Sherry Lumpkins) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 21:45:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user ... some emails sent, some not Message-ID: <007a01c2fe42$1fefefb0$46ff1f18@computer> I'm a new mailman list administrator. My mail list implementation is through my web host. I actually have several mail lists across several web sites, all the same web host, all mailman mail lists. My problem is that the mail lists seem to be sending email to some of the list members but not all of the list members. My member list sizes range from about 30 to over 2,000. I've searched FAQ but can't find my specific problem (reaching some but not most). I have tried to follow the instructions from the "No messages sent" FAQ but it appears that my host hides those file paths. Please advise...thanks for any support you can offer...sorry if this is a redundant question. From bmitzit at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu Wed Apr 9 16:29:40 2003 From: bmitzit at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Bruce Mitzit) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:29:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-generated headers Message-ID: I'm Python-illiterate and so apologize for asking help on the obvious. I hope someone will have the patience to explain. I'm setting up a series of lists to about 3000 recipients. These are passive lists: they get messages but cannot reply. I'd like to remove from the header to subscribers such options they can't use, such as List-Post: Can someone tell me what to edit to allow this to happen? Thanks, and best wishes. Bruce -- From jdany at quickestlap.com Wed Apr 9 14:46:50 2003 From: jdany at quickestlap.com (Joe) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce Message-ID: <004d01c2fe96$19e2aaf0$1901a8c0@quickestlap> I would like to set up my list without the subscribers given the ability to reply. What do you need to do to set up this list "announce only" Thanks in advance Joe From tas at MIT.EDU Thu Apr 10 00:00:55 2003 From: tas at MIT.EDU (Tom Ahlkvist Scharfeld) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:00:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Show only accessible lists Message-ID: <3E949817.3060503@mit.edu> Is there some way I can configure the listinfo.cgi script to only show lists to which a particular user (using the apache's .htaccess scheme) has access to? Also, is it possible to limit lists they're able to subscribe to based on the .htaccess scheme? Thanks -Tom From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Thu Apr 10 00:11:12 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:11:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] auto-generated headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030409221112.GA591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 09:29:40AM -0500, Bruce Mitzit (BM) wrote: BM> BM> I'd like to remove from the header to subscribers such options they BM> can't use, such as BM> List-Post: Check out the 'include_rfc2369_headers option' from the 'General Options' in the list admin webpage .. that should do what you want ;) From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Thu Apr 10 00:13:04 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:13:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Website virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <1049918225.2526.32.camel@localhost> References: <20030409185813.GD43659@imhotep.yuckfou.org> <1049918225.2526.32.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20030409221304.GB591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 03:57:06PM -0400, Jon Carnes (JC) wrote: JC> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:58, Nils Vogels wrote: JC> > JC> > What ideally I'd like to achieve would be, that for when mailman is approached JC> > via the web on http://lists.domain1.net, it will only show the lists hosted at JC> > *.domain1.net, while when accessing the same mailman setup via JC> > http://lists.domain2.net, it only shows lists present in *.domain2.net .. is JC> > this at all possible ? JC> Yes. JC> JC> Check the ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py file (but make changes to the JC> mm_cfg.py file). Got it. Is it possible to have different administrative passwords per vhost, so that I can delegate the options of creating new mailing lists within a vhost ? Gr, Nils. From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Thu Apr 10 00:15:37 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:15:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce In-Reply-To: <004d01c2fe96$19e2aaf0$1901a8c0@quickestlap> References: <004d01c2fe96$19e2aaf0$1901a8c0@quickestlap> Message-ID: <20030409221537.GC591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 08:46:50AM -0400, Joe (J) wrote: J> I would like to set up my list without the subscribers given the ability to J> reply. J> J> What do you need to do to set up this list "announce only" J> One way to do it, is create a new list, and toggle the 'default_member_moderation' to ON .. that way every user that gets subscribed, will have his postings moderated. You can then modify the policy of what to do with those messages using the 'member_moderation_action' setting. HTH & HAND From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 10 00:36:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:36:10 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user ... some emails sent, some not In-Reply-To: <007a01c2fe42$1fefefb0$46ff1f18@computer> References: <007a01c2fe42$1fefefb0$46ff1f18@computer> Message-ID: <1049927784.2526.36.camel@localhost> 1) check the addresses to make sure they are valid and are properly displayed in the web-admin. 2) send manually to those addresses that are having problems. 3) if all that works, then you must have your web-host provider troubleshoot the problem for you. They will have to search the log files for Mail and for Mailman and determine where the break-down is occurring. Best of Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 22:45, Sherry Lumpkins wrote: > I'm a new mailman list administrator. My mail list implementation is through my web host. I actually have several mail lists across several web sites, all the same web host, all mailman mail lists. > > My problem is that the mail lists seem to be sending email to some of the list members but not all of the list members. My member list sizes range from about 30 to over 2,000. > > I've searched FAQ but can't find my specific problem (reaching some but not most). > > I have tried to follow the instructions from the "No messages sent" FAQ but it appears that my host hides those file paths. > > Please advise...thanks for any support you can offer...sorry if this is a redundant question. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 10 00:39:40 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:39:40 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove users. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049928000.2526.40.camel@localhost> Upgrade to Mailman version 2.1. For earlier versions of Mailman there is also a work-around that deletes the pending mails auto-magically (you will find the work-around in the FAQ). HtH - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 16:55, Sullivan, John wrote: > Hi - I have a newsletter that I send out to about 50000 addresses. It is a > one way deal - I don't want the subscribers to post messages. However a lot > of them hit the reply to button and send emails back asking to be removed or > something like that. I have it moderated so only an admin can approve a post > but now every time I go in there I find like 70-90 pending posts - mostly > undeliverable and some responses - they all need to be manually discarded. > > Is it possible to setup so that either when they reply it goes to another > email rather then the one I use for posting? Or how can limit who can send > to that address - I guess anyone can but is there a way that I can say that > if it doesn't come from this address then shoot back an auto-response saying > sorry this is a one way mailing list and at the same time eliminating their > messages from being posted in my emails pending request queue. > > Another way around me having to delete the 70 or more pending requests would > be if I could get the default option in the pending windows page to discard > rather then defer. It takes a lot of time to go through 70 emails and change > the option to discard. > > Any help - thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. > > John > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 10 00:44:00 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:44:00 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Show only accessible lists In-Reply-To: <3E949817.3060503@mit.edu> References: <3E949817.3060503@mit.edu> Message-ID: <1049928262.2526.45.camel@localhost> That is not currently a feature of Mailman. Of course it is Open Source and very well written (in python) and very easy to modify. The FAQ also has a script for generating password files for use with .htaccess (though you may need to modify it to work with version 2.1) Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 18:00, Tom Ahlkvist Scharfeld wrote: > Is there some way I can configure the listinfo.cgi script to only show > lists to which a particular user (using the apache's .htaccess scheme) > has access to? Also, is it possible to limit lists they're able to > subscribe to based on the .htaccess scheme? > > Thanks > -Tom From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 10 00:51:09 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:51:09 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Website virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <20030409221304.GB591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> References: <20030409185813.GD43659@imhotep.yuckfou.org> <1049918225.2526.32.camel@localhost> <20030409221304.GB591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Message-ID: <1049928691.2525.53.camel@localhost> That feature is under consideration. If you want to program it in and donate the code, it will be included in the next rev (or at least the 3.x versions). Thinking about it... it seems an easy hack to bring-up - a cgi that is separate from mailman and uses a small MySQL database. There are login's set for various domain admins (one login per domain). Once the admin logs in, you pull their domain information from MySQL and auto-fill-in their data. Once they add their listname and passwords you can either create the lists using Mailman's command line tools, or simply link with the current CGI - fill-in it's form and auto-submit... Have fun! Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 18:13, Nils Vogels wrote: > On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 03:57:06PM -0400, Jon Carnes (JC) wrote: > JC> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:58, Nils Vogels wrote: > JC> > > JC> > What ideally I'd like to achieve would be, that for when mailman is approached > JC> > via the web on http://lists.domain1.net, it will only show the lists hosted at > JC> > *.domain1.net, while when accessing the same mailman setup via > JC> > http://lists.domain2.net, it only shows lists present in *.domain2.net .. is > JC> > this at all possible ? > JC> Yes. > JC> > JC> Check the ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py file (but make changes to the > JC> mm_cfg.py file). > > Got it. > > Is it possible to have different administrative passwords per vhost, so that I > can delegate the options of creating new mailing lists within a vhost ? > > Gr, > > Nils. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From boettiger at pobox.com Thu Apr 10 01:02:39 2003 From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:02:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing a held post Message-ID: Re: Editing a held post prior to publishing I am using Entourage as my email client and it does not (to my knowledge) allow me to modify the headers of an outgoing message as described in this FAQ entry. It seems to me that I should be able to simply modify the held post directly in the Web form box via the Web admin area, save my changes and then release it. How are others handling the modification of held posts prior to release? AB From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 10 01:47:31 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:47:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing a held post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049932057.2525.62.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 19:02, Adam Boettiger wrote: > Re: Editing a held post prior to publishing > > > I am using Entourage as my email client and it does not (to my knowledge) > allow me to modify the headers of an outgoing message as described in this > FAQ entry. > > It seems to me that I should be able to simply modify the held post directly > in the Web form box via the Web admin area, save my changes and then release > it. How are others handling the modification of held posts prior to > release? > > AB There are a couple of reasons why this does not work (editing the web form). The most compelling is that message in the web form is only a portion of the whole message (unless you've modified ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py so that it puts the whole message in the web form). The web form displays a database entry from request.db. Any posted changes would simply change the database entry and not the actual waiting message. There is a patch that modifies this behavior. It basically allows posting back into the database then copies the database entry back over the waiting message - and then carries through with the approval. Have fun - Jon Carnes From daevid at daevid.com Thu Apr 10 03:58:58 2003 From: daevid at daevid.com (Daevid Vincent) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:58:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there anywhere to get Mailman 2.1 rpm for RH8? Message-ID: <005f01c2ff04$c1ef1b20$a50aa8c0@Locutus> I don't think I want to take the plunge to RH9 (shrike) just yet, so is there a way to get RH8 RPMs for mailman 2.1? http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=mailman didn't yield anything unless RawHide will work or what about that "Falsehope" version I see there? From mic at npgx.com.au Thu Apr 10 05:22:45 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:22:45 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there anywhere to get Mailman 2.1 rpm for RH8? In-Reply-To: <005f01c2ff04$c1ef1b20$a50aa8c0@Locutus> References: <005f01c2ff04$c1ef1b20$a50aa8c0@Locutus> Message-ID: <20030410032036.M73929@npgx.com.au> > I don't think I want to take the plunge to RH9 (shrike) just yet, so > is there a way to get RH8 RPMs for mailman 2.1? > http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=mailman > didn't yield anything unless RawHide will work or what about that > "Falsehope" version I see there? I'd also be very interested in this since I like to run RPM-based environments these days, easier to manage. If anyone gets Mm 2.1 in RPM working on RH8, please let us know. Thanks. Michael. From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 10 05:24:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:24:49 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there anywhere to get Mailman 2.1 rpm for RH8? In-Reply-To: <005f01c2ff04$c1ef1b20$a50aa8c0@Locutus> References: <005f01c2ff04$c1ef1b20$a50aa8c0@Locutus> Message-ID: <1049945103.2525.136.camel@localhost> hmm, I recommend that you either use RH9 or drop back to RH7.3. It doesn't look like Red Hat is really going to support RH8.0. They have never cleared it for production use. They do say that RH9 (not RH9.0!) will be a production release (at least the RH engineers at my LUG say that). In any case, you should try installing from source. It is very easy to do - perhaps even easier than rpm (since you are not left with the illusion that everything has been installed for you). Take care and good luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 21:58, Daevid Vincent wrote: > I don't think I want to take the plunge to RH9 (shrike) just yet, so is > there a way to get RH8 RPMs for mailman 2.1? > http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=mailman didn't yield > anything unless RawHide will work or what about that "Falsehope" version I > see there? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From tmf at adtaq.com Thu Apr 10 12:50:53 2003 From: tmf at adtaq.com (Tony Faoro) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Courier MTA Message-ID: Good day all, I'm having problems with Mailman and Courier MTA. I believe it has something to do with aliases, as this is shown in my maillog: Apr 10 03:47:57 web courieresmtpd: started,ip=[::ffff:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Apr 10 03:47:57 web courieresmtpd: error,relay=::ffff:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx,ident=tmf,from=,to=: 550 User unknown. The courier command for refreshing aliases has been run and the format in the aliases file is correct, as the same syntax fuctions fine with another app. This question may be better aimed at the courier mailing list, but I figured I'd ask here first in case someone has dealt with this already. Thanks for your time, -t Anthony M. Faoro II CIO, Adtaq Internet tmf at adtaq dot com 425.444.8787 VOICE 800.861.1834 FAX From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Apr 10 14:34:43 2003 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify many lists? Message-ID: Is it possible to make a change to many lists (eg turn off archiving) without having to go to each webpage? I guess what I'm looking for is something like dumpdb $PREFIX/lists/$LISTNAME/config.db | sed ....|convertdb ie dump the list config into ascii, modify it and convert it back. Thanks =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From a.carter at cordis.lu Thu Apr 10 14:53:58 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:53:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify many lists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200304101453.58323.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> You can turn of archiving completely for all lists in the Default.py (make changes in mm_cfg.py) file...However, I think that you don't want ALL lists removed...That, i don't know about... Anthony On Thursday 10 April 2003 14:34, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > Is it possible to make a change to many lists (eg turn off archiving) > without having to go to each webpage? I guess what I'm looking for is > something like > dumpdb $PREFIX/lists/$LISTNAME/config.db | sed ....|convertdb > ie dump the list config into ascii, modify it and convert it back. > > Thanks > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern > University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Thu Apr 10 15:02:26 2003 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify many lists? In-Reply-To: <200304101453.58323.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, CARTER Anthony wrote: > You can turn of archiving completely for all lists in the Default.py (make > changes in mm_cfg.py) file...However, I think that you don't want ALL lists > removed...That, i don't know about... > > Anthony > > > On Thursday 10 April 2003 14:34, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > > Is it possible to make a change to many lists (eg turn off archiving) > > without having to go to each webpage? I guess what I'm looking for is > > something like > > dumpdb $PREFIX/lists/$LISTNAME/config.db | sed ....|convertdb > > ie dump the list config into ascii, modify it and convert it back. > > That's for future lists (those not yet created). This doesn't help for current lists... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Apr 10 15:32:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:32:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify many lists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049981587.2177.7.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 09:02, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, CARTER Anthony wrote: > > > You can turn of archiving completely for all lists in the Default.py (make > > changes in mm_cfg.py) file...However, I think that you don't want ALL lists > > removed...That, i don't know about... > > > > Anthony > > > > > > On Thursday 10 April 2003 14:34, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: > > > Is it possible to make a change to many lists (eg turn off archiving) > > > without having to go to each webpage? I guess what I'm looking for is > > > something like > > > dumpdb $PREFIX/lists/$LISTNAME/config.db | sed ....|convertdb > > > ie dump the list config into ascii, modify it and convert it back. > > > > > That's for future lists (those not yet created). This doesn't help for > current lists... > Right! But to automate such changes on multiple lists you could use the ~mailman/bin/config_list command. This lets you dump out the configuration for a list into a text file. Edit the text file and remove any configuration items you don't want to change. Now change the items you want to the values you want. Use the config_list command to upload the changes to each list that you want modified. Have fun - Jon Carnes From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Apr 10 15:52:17 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:52:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] modify many lists? In-Reply-To: References: <200304101453.58323.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030410142539.00ac6300@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 14:02 10/04/2003, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: >On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, CARTER Anthony wrote: > > > You can turn of archiving completely for all lists in the Default.py (make > > changes in mm_cfg.py) file...However, I think that you don't want ALL lists > > removed...That, i don't know about... > > > > Anthony > > > > > > On Thursday 10 April 2003 14:34, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist > wrote: > > > Is it possible to make a change to many lists (eg turn off archiving) > > > without having to go to each webpage? I guess what I'm looking for is > > > something like > > > dumpdb $PREFIX/lists/$LISTNAME/config.db | sed ....|convertdb > > > ie dump the list config into ascii, modify it and convert it back. > > > > >That's for future lists (those not yet created). This doesn't help for >current lists... > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > David Stern University of > Maryland > Institute for Advanced Computer Studies If you have command line access then I find $prefix/bin/withlist is my friend for this sort of endeavour. If the content of the short withlist script file $prefix/bin/fix_remind.py is as follows: >>>>>> snip-------------------------- def fix_remind(mlist): mlist.send_reminders = 0 mlist.Save() <<<<<< snip-------------------------- then executing the following command line from inside your $prefix directory: ls -1 lists | xargs -n 1 bin/withlist -l -r fix_remind will turn off "send password reminders" for all of your lists. This is easily adapted to manipulating other list attributes. From dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de Thu Apr 10 16:11:50 2003 From: dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Sven Dittmar) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:11:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about language of the admin interface In-Reply-To: <3E8BE2FD.1060007@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <3E8BE2FD.1060007@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: <3E957BA6.1070906@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi all again, I found a complete translation to German in the directory mailman-2.1.1/{templates|messages}/de. In mailman-2.1.1/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po is translated to German already. E.g. # Mailman/Gui/NonDigest.py:28 #: Mailman/Gui/NonDigest.py:34 msgid "Non-digest options" msgstr "Non-Digest-Optionen" But I get the "Non-digest options" instead of "Non-Digest-Optionen". Is this a bug or do I have to enable something else that DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE=de? thanks! sven Sven Dittmar wrote: > Hi there, > > we upgraded to mailman-2.1.1 recently. We want to have the whole site > speaking German. I change the variable DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE to 'de' > and disabled the "US" in the webfrontend. > > Mailman is speaking German now, but only on the login and general list > information pages. Inside the admin interface everything is still in > English. > > Found a hint in the mailman doc of "Command line scripts": > > ------------------------- > addlang > Use this to add language support to a specific list. The site itself > must have the language pack to add already installed. Note that removing > language support from a list requires you to manually rm the > lists/yourlist/lang subdirectory. > ------------------------- > > My bin directory only contains > add_members check_perms dumpdb list_admins > mmsitepass remove_members update > arch cleanarch find_member list_lists newlist > rmlist version > b4b5-archfix clone_member fix_url.py list_members paths.py > sync_members withlist > change_pw config_list genaliases list_owners > paths.pyc transcheck > check_db convert.py inject mailmanctl qrunner > unshunt > > A "find . -name addlang" even find nothing in the src tree. > > What am I doing wrong? How can I get the admin interface speaking a > different language? > > Thanks, > Sven From khera at kcilink.com Thu Apr 10 16:16:28 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove users. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16021.31932.775098.653527@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "JS" == John Sullivan writes: JS> Is it possible to setup so that either when they reply it goes to another JS> email rather then the one I use for posting? Or how can limit who can send JS> to that address - I guess anyone can but is there a way that I can say that Why can't you just put a Reply-To: header in your original message? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Thu Apr 10 16:20:12 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:20:12 -0500 Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment with Exchange 5.5... Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D044@STJOSEPHMAIL> See below, please. --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brouhard Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:45 PM To: 'Bill Hilburn' Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment with Exchange 5.5... Okay.. we've got a new error: Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. Subject: test Sent: 4/7/2003 4:43 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: test-l on 4/7/2003 4:43 PM Unable to deliver the message due to a communications failure The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=city of st. jose;l=STJOSEPHMAIL0304072142210THS33 MSEXCH:IMS:City of St. Joseph:CITY:STJOSEPHMAIL 0x80040C02 (00050311) Maximum receipt headers exceeded (possible mail loop). What do ya think? I'm thinking maybe the sendmail box isn't picking it up or not. What options did you use when setting up a Custom Receipient? Internet Mail or Other? Thanks. --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Bill Hilburn [mailto:bhilburn at frontier.net] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:53 PM To: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment with Exchange 5.5... Great, what it sounds like is that email your sending to the list is picked up at your Exchange server and it just needs to forward this on to the list server, in concept is it the same thing as forwarding a users email... The reason it's happening is because all mail servers look for a local mailbox by the name listed in the To: field, since there is no local user with the name of the list it does not know what to do with it (no alias is defined). If I can be of further help just let me know. Quoting jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us: > Okay. Thanks.. I've forwarded this to the net admin. We'll probably give > this a try in the morning.. > > --- > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > Computer Support Technician > City of St Joseph > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Hilburn [mailto:bhilburn at frontier.net] > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:34 PM > To: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment > with Exchange 5.5... > > > > > It sure does... > > > > Quoting jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us: > > > Does this work on Exchange 5.5?? We were told that Exchange 5.5 does not > > support forwarding... > > > > --- > > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > > Computer Support Technician > > City of St Joseph > > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Hilburn [mailto:bhilburn at frontier.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:02 PM > > To: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment > > with Exchange 5.5... > > > > > > > > > > Create a custom recipient named "list" (your list name) and forward it to > > > list at listbox.corporate.net (again name>@listbox.corporate.net). > > > > Example: > > > > I want a list called "NOC at mycompany.com". > > > > Create a custom recipient on the exchange box named "NOC" and forward the > > mail > > to NOC at listbox.mycompany.com > > > > > > > > Quoting jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us: > > > > > Okay, I got myself a problem I need some serious help with. > > > > > > I run various mail servers that run RedHat Linux, and a variety of > MTA's > > > (Postfix, Sendmail namely) and some have Mailman on them. They all > work > > > wonderfully. However where I work we have an Exchange 5.5 server for > our > > > mail, and I've got a problem getting Mailman/Sendmail to work with it. > > > > > > Every time I send an email to a test list (for example, > > > test-l at listbox.corporate.net), the Exchange server replies saying > > "Unknown > > > User" or "Unknown Receipient". Now I have no clue what is causing > this, > > > aside from the explaination I've been given: > > > > > > Exchange Server 5.5 strips the "hostname' from the email address: > > > list at listbox.corporate.net becomes list at corporate.net. > > > > > > The Listbox is running RedHat 8.0, Sendmail, and MailMan 2.0.13 > > > > > > The full error when I try to send from my corporate account is (I have > > > blanked out our listserv's domain for security reasons): > > > > > > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > > > > > > Subject: test > > > Sent: 4/4/2003 2:23 PM > > > > > > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > > > > > > 'test-l at xxxxxxx" on 4/4/2003 2:23 PM > > > The recipient name is not recognized > > > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=city of st. > > > jose;l=STJOSEPHMAIL0304042023210THHRM > > > MSEXCH:IMS:City of St. Joseph:CITY:STJOSEPHMAIL 0 > (000C05A6) > > > Unknown Recipient > > > > > > If anyone can help out, it'd be appreciated. I've NEVER had these > > problems > > > with Mailman in the past, and I'm of the opinion it's Exchange. > > > > > > Thanks in advance... > > > > > > --- > > > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > > > Computer Support Technician > > > City of St Joseph > > > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: bhilburn at frontier.net > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bhilburn%40frontier.net > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Hilburn > > NOC Frontier Internet > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! > > > > > > Bill Hilburn > NOC Frontier Internet > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! > Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! From daniel.richter at wimba.com Thu Apr 10 17:43:14 2003 From: daniel.richter at wimba.com (Dan Richter) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:43:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More permission problems Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030410172314.03642e60@mail.wimba.com> I configured Mailman like this: ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 (Our web server runs as "apache", not "nobody".) I recently found out that help requests sent to -request at server don't get any reply. And my error logs contain a lot of entries like this: Apr 09 06:50:14 2003 (24350) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/flashinfo/en/verify.txt' Apr 09 06:50:14 2003 (24350) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 209, in _dispose res.process() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 94, in process stop = self.do_command(cmd, args) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 121, in do_command return handler.process(self, args) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py", line 100, in process mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 817, in AddMember }, lang=lang, mlist=self) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 443, in maketext fp = open(filename) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/flashinfo/en/verify.txt' I ran check_perms -f and this fixed the problem. But did I make a mistake during the installation? ========== Dan Richter ============== mailto:Dan at wimba.com =========== Do I know what's in this bill? Are you kidding? Only God knows... - U.S. Senator Robert Byrd, when asked if he knew the contents of a $520 billion, 4000-page spending bill From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Thu Apr 10 17:29:27 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:29:27 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More permission problems Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D049@STJOSEPHMAIL> I'd say you did mess up: Shoulda been ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail Mailman is not it's own MTA, and relies on Sendmail or POSTFIX or whatever MTA you have loaded on your server. That's what the mail-gid should have been set to.. --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Dan Richter [mailto:daniel.richter at wimba.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:43 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] More permission problems I configured Mailman like this: ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/bin/python2 (Our web server runs as "apache", not "nobody".) I recently found out that help requests sent to -request at server don't get any reply. And my error logs contain a lot of entries like this: Apr 09 06:50:14 2003 (24350) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/flashinfo/en/verify.txt' Apr 09 06:50:14 2003 (24350) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 209, in _dispose res.process() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 94, in process stop = self.do_command(cmd, args) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 121, in do_command return handler.process(self, args) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py", line 100, in process mlist.AddMember(userdesc, remote) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 817, in AddMember }, lang=lang, mlist=self) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 443, in maketext fp = open(filename) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/flashinfo/en/verify.txt' I ran check_perms -f and this fixed the problem. But did I make a mistake during the installation? ========== Dan Richter ============== mailto:Dan at wimba.com =========== Do I know what's in this bill? Are you kidding? Only God knows... - U.S. Senator Robert Byrd, when asked if he knew the contents of a $520 billion, 4000-page spending bill ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep h.mo.us From tag at cs.utah.edu Thu Apr 10 18:12:12 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:12:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default action for implicit destinations? Message-ID: <200304101612.h3AGCCJ03755@faith.cs.utah.edu> Is there a way to define a default action when a list recives a message destined for an implicit destination? Looks like you can only enable/disable or add aliases. If would be great if there was something similar to the default action for postings from non-member along the lines of: Action to take for postings to implicit destinations for which no explicit action is defined. (Details for generic_implicit_action) Accept Hold Reject Discard As it stands right now it appears that Mailman holds all implicit destined mail. I'd like to discard them. Thanks, Todd From miyusuf at okcu.edu Thu Apr 10 20:48:04 2003 From: miyusuf at okcu.edu (Yusuf, Mohamed Ismail) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to access pipermail/test Message-ID: I would appreciate if anyone could provide me with the fix for this error. I can create a list (Test) and assess list but I am unable to access the archives. I have already submitted an test email in order to activate the archives which I believe is a Mailman requirement. Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/test/ on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. My environment: Listserv running on Linux 8 Apache 2.0 Sendmail 8.x Thank you in advance Mohamed I Yusuf MCSE. CNE. A+ Law Technology Services 405-521-5138 miyusuf at okcu.edu From MomGizas at aol.com Thu Apr 10 20:50:51 2003 From: MomGizas at aol.com (MomGizas at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:50:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 24 Message-ID: <14BC6145.72734582.007C62DF@aol.com> How can you open the lessons? From gwcohn at bblabs.net Thu Apr 10 21:12:45 2003 From: gwcohn at bblabs.net (George Cohn) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:12:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there anywhere to get Mailman 2.1 rpm for RH8? References: Message-ID: <3E95C22D.1B96C611@bblabs.net> Daevid Vincent wrote: I don't think I want to take the plunge to RH9 (shrike) just yet, so is there a way to get RH8 RPMs for mailman 2.1? http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=mailman didn't yield anything unless RawHide will work or what about that "Falsehope" version I see there? ============================================= The falsehope rpm is set up to run without apache so you'll have to forego the web interface on that one I think. I went ahead and built it from scratch using the source. I used ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman as that's where RH wants to put it, added --with-cgi-gid=apache so apache could run the web interfaces, and --withmail-gid=nobody because that's what Postfix likes. First time I ever did a ./configure , make install for any software and it was easy and worked the first time. Next I may have to learn how to build rpms as it looks like RH just had 8 out for a short while between 7.3 and 9. I've already upgraded the kernel in mine at least a half dozen times in two months. My machine is a 2 gig Athlon with RH 8, python 2.2.2-7 and Postfix 2.0.7-2. George Cohn From tag at cs.utah.edu Thu Apr 10 23:36:42 2003 From: tag at cs.utah.edu (Todd Green) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default action for implicit destinations? In-Reply-To: Your message of "10 Apr 2003 17:28:17 EDT." <1050010096.3143.102.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20030410213642.540653477D@mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu> >I believe this is an option available to you in version 2.1. Plus a >work-around exists for doing this on version 2.0 We're running 2.1.1 and I'm not seeing it. Todd From glo at igateway.net Thu Apr 10 23:40:09 2003 From: glo at igateway.net (Glo) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:40:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a yahoogroups list subscribed to my mailman list Message-ID: <002c01c2ffa9$c29ab570$083c8ece@GLO> And I have a couple of issues, perhaps someone can help me resolve these issues. Problem 1: When MM gets a post from the Yahoo list it seems to be stripping the poster's name before it sends it out to the MM list. It is coming through because the poster addy or name does show up in the archives. Anyone have any clues what might be happening here and how to fix it? Problem 2: Any time we get a post from a Yahoo user on the list, and click on reply The TO field ends up with both list addresses in it. We do have the yahoo list subscription set to "notmetoo". Any help on how to fix this or problem 1 will be greatly appreciated. Glo The totally baffled From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 00:34:38 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:34:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default action for implicit destinations? In-Reply-To: <200304101612.h3AGCCJ03755@faith.cs.utah.edu> References: <200304101612.h3AGCCJ03755@faith.cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: <1050010096.3143.102.camel@localhost> I believe this is an option available to you in version 2.1. Plus a work-around exists for doing this on version 2.0 On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 12:12, Todd Green wrote: > Is there a way to define a default action when a list recives a message > destined for an implicit destination? Looks like you can only > enable/disable or add aliases. If would be great if there was something > similar to the default action for postings from non-member along the > lines of: > > > Action to take for postings to implicit destinations for which no > explicit action is defined. (Details for generic_implicit_action) > > Accept Hold Reject Discard > > As it stands right now it appears that Mailman holds all implicit > destined mail. I'd like to discard them. > > Thanks, > Todd > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From ben at cenozoa.com Fri Apr 11 00:34:51 2003 From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:34:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman website problems. some cgi's work, some don't Message-ID: <1050013847.3297.23.camel@localhost> Hello, I have posted this in the past, but not recieved a reply. I can access all the user pages fine, to edit a user and login to change user prefs, so I am assuming that CGI is working correctly -- Is this a good assumption? When I go to log in to the Administrative page, I get an error "Authorization Failed" from mailman. I am positive this has nothing to do with cookie settings on my browser, I have checked it from multiple browsers, running on every platform available -- and I checked to be sure the browsers was correctly saving cookies, and it is b/c other sites are using them just fine. As a test, one which i don't know if it means the right thing, I ran cgi-bin/admin program from the command line. -- the error message is at the bottom of this messgae -- I just ran it as my own user through the ssh shell, so it is probably not the right user anyway... however it may be something. This was installed from rpm, and i did a find on my system and there is no source installed on the system, so i'm not sure where to begin if i need to reconfigure, ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! Mailman CGI error!!!

Mailman CGI error!!!

The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: 

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to
take 501?)
Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer ------------------------------------------------- Cenozoa Corporation 33 Little West 12th St. #106A New York, NY 10014 http://www.cenozoa.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 00:59:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:59:02 -0000 Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment with Exchange 5.5... In-Reply-To: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D044@STJOSEPHMAIL> References: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D044@STJOSEPHMAIL> Message-ID: <1050009985.3142.100.camel@localhost> I have seen this problem many times. You actually have it documented fairly well in this email. Exchange thinks that it is the default mail router for your company (and it is), but the way Exchange works it will not easily forward mail to another mail server - unless that server is an Exchange server. You can work around this a couple of ways. One is to use an internal only domain name that resolves to your internal Mailman server. Note this domain must not be a subdomain of your normal domain and your exchange server must not be a part of this internal domain. Make sure you setup your Mailman server to accept mail for this internal domain. Setup your custom recipient to point to the internal domain. There are some other ways of doing this but they require you to make some mod's to your Exchange server (and I can't remember all the details right now since thankfully it's been a year since I had to interface with an Exchange server) Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 10:20, jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us wrote: > See below, please. > > --- > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > Computer Support Technician > City of St Joseph > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Brouhard > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 4:45 PM > To: 'Bill Hilburn' > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment > with Exchange 5.5... > > > Okay.. we've got a new error: > > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > > Subject: test > Sent: 4/7/2003 4:43 PM > > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > > test-l on 4/7/2003 4:43 PM > Unable to deliver the message due to a communications failure > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=city of st. > jose;l=STJOSEPHMAIL0304072142210THS33 > MSEXCH:IMS:City of St. Joseph:CITY:STJOSEPHMAIL 0x80040C02 > (00050311) Maximum receipt headers exceeded (possible mail loop). > > What do ya think? I'm thinking maybe the sendmail box isn't picking it up > or not. > > What options did you use when setting up a Custom Receipient? Internet Mail > or Other? > > Thanks. > > --- > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > Computer Support Technician > City of St Joseph > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Hilburn [mailto:bhilburn at frontier.net] > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:53 PM > To: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment > with Exchange 5.5... > > > > Great, what it sounds like is that email your sending to the list is picked > up > at your Exchange server and it just needs to forward this on to the list > server, in concept is it the same thing as forwarding a users email... > > The reason it's happening is because all mail servers look for a local > mailbox > by the name listed in the To: field, since there is no local user with the > name of the list it does not know what to do with it (no alias is defined). > > If I can be of further help just let me know. > > > Quoting jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us: > > > Okay. Thanks.. I've forwarded this to the net admin. We'll probably give > > this a try in the morning.. > > > > --- > > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > > Computer Support Technician > > City of St Joseph > > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Hilburn [mailto:bhilburn at frontier.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:34 PM > > To: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment > > with Exchange 5.5... > > > > > > > > > > It sure does... > > > > > > > > Quoting jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us: > > > > > Does this work on Exchange 5.5?? We were told that Exchange 5.5 does > not > > > support forwarding... > > > > > > --- > > > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > > > Computer Support Technician > > > City of St Joseph > > > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bill Hilburn [mailto:bhilburn at frontier.net] > > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:02 PM > > > To: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman in a corporate environment > > > with Exchange 5.5... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Create a custom recipient named "list" (your list name) and forward it > to > > > > > list at listbox.corporate.net (again > name>@listbox.corporate.net). > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > I want a list called "NOC at mycompany.com". > > > > > > Create a custom recipient on the exchange box named "NOC" and forward > the > > > mail > > > to NOC at listbox.mycompany.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us: > > > > > > > Okay, I got myself a problem I need some serious help with. > > > > > > > > I run various mail servers that run RedHat Linux, and a variety of > > MTA's > > > > (Postfix, Sendmail namely) and some have Mailman on them. They all > > work > > > > wonderfully. However where I work we have an Exchange 5.5 server for > > our > > > > mail, and I've got a problem getting Mailman/Sendmail to work with it. > > > > > > > > Every time I send an email to a test list (for example, > > > > test-l at listbox.corporate.net), the Exchange server replies saying > > > "Unknown > > > > User" or "Unknown Receipient". Now I have no clue what is causing > > this, > > > > aside from the explaination I've been given: > > > > > > > > Exchange Server 5.5 strips the "hostname' from the email address: > > > > list at listbox.corporate.net becomes list at corporate.net. > > > > > > > > The Listbox is running RedHat 8.0, Sendmail, and MailMan 2.0.13 > > > > > > > > The full error when I try to send from my corporate account is (I have > > > > blanked out our listserv's domain for security reasons): > > > > > > > > Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > > > > > > > > Subject: test > > > > Sent: 4/4/2003 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > > > > > > > > 'test-l at xxxxxxx" on 4/4/2003 2:23 PM > > > > The recipient name is not recognized > > > > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=city of st. > > > > jose;l=STJOSEPHMAIL0304042023210THHRM > > > > MSEXCH:IMS:City of St. Joseph:CITY:STJOSEPHMAIL 0 > > (000C05A6) > > > > Unknown Recipient > > > > > > > > If anyone can help out, it'd be appreciated. I've NEVER had these > > > problems > > > > with Mailman in the past, and I'm of the opinion it's Exchange. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance... > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ > > > > Computer Support Technician > > > > City of St Joseph > > > > jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > > http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > > Searchable Archives: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: bhilburn at frontier.net > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bhilburn%40frontier.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Hilburn > > > NOC Frontier Internet > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Hilburn > > NOC Frontier Internet > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! > > > > > > Bill Hilburn > NOC Frontier Internet > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service! > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From ghhalley at earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 01:32:56 2003 From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:32:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman website problems. some cgi's work, some don't In-Reply-To: <1050013847.3297.23.camel@localhost> References: <1050013847.3297.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <8011672218.20030410163256@earthlink.net> Howdy Ben, What is GID 501? Maybe the group ID for Mailman? What is GID 48? Maybe the group ID for Apache? (I can't find my paperwork so the next bit is from memory) You need to look closely at the INSTALL read me. The install has a script which will check file and folder permissions for you. Then you need to look at how Mailman was configured. You can request specific UIDs or GIDs for the wrapper and web interface. In my case, I thought the defaults would work, but they failed so I had to hardwire it according to my Apache and Sendmail configuration files. I believe at the end of the file, in the FAQ is a description how to back out of a bad configuration. I didn't have to use it. Hope the fix is easy. Peace, G --- 3:30:47 PM, you wrote: > Hello, > I have posted this in the past, but not recieved a reply. > I can access all the user pages fine, to edit a user and login to change > user prefs, so I am assuming that CGI is working correctly -- Is this a > good assumption? > When I go to log in to the Administrative page, I get an error > "Authorization Failed" from mailman. > I am positive this has nothing to do with cookie settings on my browser, > I have checked it from multiple browsers, running on every platform > available -- and I checked to be sure the browsers was correctly saving > cookies, and it is b/c other sites are using them just fine. > As a test, one which i don't know if it means the right thing, I ran > cgi-bin/admin program from the command line. -- the error message is at > the bottom of this messgae -- I just ran it as my own user through the > ssh shell, so it is probably not the right user anyway... however it may > be something. > This was installed from rpm, and i did a find on my system and there is > no source installed on the system, so i'm not sure where to begin if i > need to reconfigure, ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! > > Mailman CGI error!!! > >

Mailman CGI error!!!

> The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set > by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was > configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL > instructions again, paying close attention to the > --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in > your syslog: > 

> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to
> take 501?)
> Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer > ------------------------------------------------- > Cenozoa Corporation > 33 Little West 12th St. #106A > New York, NY 10014 > http://www.cenozoa.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > This message was sent to: GHHalley at earthlink.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ghhalley%40earthlink.net From ghhalley at earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 01:39:52 2003 From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:39:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML on first Options Page Message-ID: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> Howdy All, Trying to get my set-up just right.... When a user logs into their specific settings, they get one of two pages. The first asks for the password and after validating it, a second page (options.html) is displayed where you can change many of the options. Where is the template for the first page? I would love to modify it. Is there a way you can turn off the need for authentication? (Security implications taken into consideration, of course) Peace, George From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 11 01:51:45 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:51:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman website problems. some cgi's work, some don't In-Reply-To: <1050013847.3297.23.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030411002224.0441bc60@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 23:30 10/04/2003, ben strawbridge wrote: >Hello, > >I have posted this in the past, but not recieved a reply. > >I can access all the user pages fine, to edit a user and login to change >user prefs, so I am assuming that CGI is working correctly -- Is this a >good assumption? > >When I go to log in to the Administrative page, I get an error >"Authorization Failed" from mailman. A bit more detail might help get you more assistance. What OS, what version of MM what version of Python? What URL is giving the failure? What URLs are working? What did you put in your httpd.conf for Mailman? Are you using the correct password for the list? >I am positive this has nothing to do with cookie settings on my browser, >I have checked it from multiple browsers, running on every platform >available -- and I checked to be sure the browsers was correctly saving >cookies, and it is b/c other sites are using them just fine. > >As a test, one which i don't know if it means the right thing, I ran >cgi-bin/admin program from the command line. -- the error message is at >the bottom of this messgae -- I just ran it as my own user through the >ssh shell, so it is probably not the right user anyway... however it may >be something. This is probably a red herring. The CGI programs in $prefix/cgi-bin are wrappers written in C. Among other things, they check the gid under which the wrapper is being executed. The wrapper will then only run its associated Python script from $prefix/Mailman/Cgi if the gid is the one it expects, usually the one set by the Group directive in your Apache server's httpd.conf, and defined with the --with-cgi-gid option on the ./configure during MM installation, This is why running Mailman CGI scripts in $prefix/cgi-bin from the command line using your own uid will usually fail, reporting the expected gid is wrong. You will find the same is also true if you try to run MM's scripts to deliver mail to MM with a gid that is other than the one designated by --with-mail-gid option for ./configure. >This was installed from rpm, and i did a find on my system and there is >no source installed on the system, so i'm not sure where to begin if i >need to reconfigure, ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! > > >Mailman CGI error!!! > >

Mailman CGI error!!!

>The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set >by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was >configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL >instructions again, paying close attention to the >--with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in >your syslog: >

>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to
>take 501?)
> > >Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer >------------------------------------------------- >Cenozoa Corporation >33 Little West 12th St. #106A >New York, NY 10014 >http://www.cenozoa.com From mksmith at noanet.net Fri Apr 11 02:02:29 2003 From: mksmith at noanet.net (Michael K. Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:02:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oddity with Outlook Clients Message-ID: Hello All: This is a bit of a continuation from a previous mail about emails showing up as attachments. What I am seeing with Outlook is all or part of the message shows up as an attachment. In the case of Office XP and Outlook, the footer shows up in an attachment, att00000xx.txt. In the case of earlier versions, the entire message is showing up in the attachment. I have set English as the default language for everything and have no other languages selected. Anyone have any ideas how to set things so that the whole message shows up with no attachments? Thanks, Mike -- Michael K. Smith NoaNet 206.219.7116 (work) 206.579.8360 (cell) mksmith at noanet.net http://www.noanet.net From rsr at inorganic.org Fri Apr 11 03:07:56 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Installation with Postfix: Black Hole Message-ID: I've set up mailman 2.1.1 with python 2.2.2 on Solaris 9. I've used mailman before with sendmail, but this is a postfix installation. For some reason, while mail to the machine works correctly, mail to mailman seems to disappear. postfix indicates: Apr 10 17:56:18 nag postfix/local[26547]: [ID 197553 mail.info] E8BD84721: to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman-2.1.1/mail/mailman post mylist") So mailman's getting it. Any idea how I can debug this? logs show nothing. -roy From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Fri Apr 11 03:20:01 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:20:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Installation with Postfix: Black Hole In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030410211751.036e9630@mail.lch-assoc.com> At 09:07 PM 4/10/2003, Roy S. Rapoport wrote: >I've set up mailman 2.1.1 with python 2.2.2 on Solaris 9. I've used mailman >before with sendmail, but this is a postfix installation. For some reason, >while mail to the machine works correctly, mail to mailman seems to disappear. > >postfix indicates: >Apr 10 17:56:18 nag postfix/local[26547]: [ID 197553 mail.info] E8BD84721: >to=, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent >("|/usr/local/mailman-2.1.1/mail/mailman post mylist") > >So mailman's getting it. > >Any idea how I can debug this? logs show nothing. Is Mailman running? It appears from the above log that it is not running, and the mail you've sent to the list is waiting to be handled. When you do a ps auxww|grep mailman, do you get a list of about 8 processes running? Larry >-roy From rsr at inorganic.org Fri Apr 11 03:48:08 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Installation with Postfix: Black Hole In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030410211751.036e9630@mail.lch-assoc.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Larry Hansford wrote: > Is Mailman running? It appears from the above log that it is not running, > and the mail you've sent to the list is waiting to be handled. Hey, good call -- it wasn't running. > When you do a ps auxww|grep mailman, do you get a list of about 8 processes > running? It wasn't running, but it is now. Mail gets to the list (it's in the archives), but mailman's not generating any outgoing email, whether to users or to list owners for their new lists. -roy From lhansfor at lch-assoc.com Fri Apr 11 04:06:02 2003 From: lhansfor at lch-assoc.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Installation with Postfix: Black Hole In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030410211751.036e9630@mail.lch-assoc.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030410220103.0370c8f0@mail.lch-assoc.com> At 09:48 PM 4/10/2003, Roy S. Rapoport wrote: >On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Larry Hansford wrote: > > Is Mailman running? It appears from the above log that it is not running, > > and the mail you've sent to the list is waiting to be handled. > >Hey, good call -- it wasn't running. > > > When you do a ps auxww|grep mailman, do you get a list of about 8 processes > > running? > >It wasn't running, but it is now. Mail gets to the list (it's in the >archives), but mailman's not generating any outgoing email, whether to users >or to list owners for their new lists. Did you add a line such as: MTA = 'Postfix' to the mm_cfg.py file? (Note: Restart Mailman if you change this file.) Have you checked the ~/mailman/data/aliases file to ensure that all the list aliases are there. By the way, did you create a "mailman" list, which is needed by the system? Larry >-roy From noc at kaibren.com Fri Apr 11 05:18:51 2003 From: noc at kaibren.com (Net Ops Center) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:18:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outlook and multipart mime footer attachment problem Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030410231142.0268c800@gw.kaibren.com> Has anyone found a way to make Outlook (2000 or XP versions) display the footer if the document is formatted (making the footer a multipart mime attachment with "inline" declaration.) - mb P.S. This is a follow up to the chain <025050.htm>[Mailman<025050.htm>-Users] problems with different chatsets (footer gets attached if different) From barry at python.org Fri Apr 11 05:34:39 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 03:34:39 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm 2.1.1 dies after system upgrade: no mod getopt In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409142342.0445d1f0@mail.imsa.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20030409142342.0445d1f0@mail.imsa.edu> Message-ID: <1050032047.3676.22.camel@geddy> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 15:26, Christopher Kolar wrote: > Turns out that it is probably a bigger problem. getopt is in > /usr/lib/python2.2, when I moved around the lines in qrunner it complained > that it could not find the module signal. It looks like it is not finding > the directory. Is there a place where I need to set the above path. No, shouldn't be. Python should just find the module. When you run Python from the command line, then import getopt, does it work? If so, maybe there's some permission problem somewhere? You might be able to debug this by running python -v to get a display of all the imports it's attempting. > Also for the docs, gcc is now 750, so when you build as non-root (mailman) > you need to add mailman to the ctools group which has r+x permission. Dang, ok. -Barry From bmitzit at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu Fri Apr 11 06:05:16 2003 From: bmitzit at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Bruce Mitzit) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 23:05:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] suppressing password reminders for individuals Message-ID: Ahoy the list! I have a subscriber moaning and groaning about getting his password reminder every month. He views these as an annoyance and junk-mail. Is there a way I can set this gentleman's options so that only he of all members of his list does not receive pw reminders? Yes, I told him about filters in his email client. thanks. Bruce -- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Apr 11 06:36:12 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 00:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] suppressing password reminders for individuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030411043612.GJ25851@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bruce Mitzit wrote: > I have a subscriber moaning and groaning about getting his password > reminder every month. He views these as an annoyance and junk-mail. > Is there a way I can set this gentleman's options so that only he of > all members of his list does not receive pw reminders? > > Yes, I told him about filters in his email client. You should also tell him about the Mailman options page or email commands. Using either, he could turn off the reminders if he were so inclined. I believe this is only in 2.1 and later, but I could be wrong about that. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ All decent people live beyond their incomes nowadays, and those who aren't respectable live beyond other peoples'. -- Saki -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+lkY8uv+09NZUB1oRAk3FAJ4w2iqJE9Io/jPlZrcaD6sZZIeqkQCgnvS9 hNfDcbsI6mT779Lswccl0lk= =BY+G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rsr at inorganic.org Fri Apr 11 06:54:24 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Installation with Postfix: Black Hole In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030410220103.0370c8f0@mail.lch-assoc.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, Larry Hansford wrote: > MTA = 'Postfix' I did. And I also added 'DELIVERY_MODULE=Postfix'. Which broke things. Doh. It's all good now. Thanks for the help. -roy From delsarto at inpe.unipi.it Fri Apr 11 09:06:15 2003 From: delsarto at inpe.unipi.it (Massimo Del Sarto) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:06:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with plain text message Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030411090249.01f8ad90@pop3.inpe.unipi.it> If I send a message to a list from a linux console with the "mail" command I have some problem (see the message at the end) I have the same problem with the message sent by a cron. The list CED is configured with: - the default language is ITALIAN and the second language is ENGLISH - the List-* headers are not included - Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Problem: a) the message is converted in MIME format but in the header of the message there isn't "Mime-Version: 1.0" (it's only in the body of the message !!!) b) the (long) subject is splitted on few lines To work around the problem a) I set the default language of the list to ENGLISH and deselect the Italian language. N.B. I have now correct the duplicated cc: field with the patch for AvoidDuplicates.py How can fix the a) and b) problem? Thanks in advance, Massimo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from ms.foo.bar.it (ms.foo.bar.it [127.0.0.1]) by ms.foo.bar.it (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3A6jBf17706; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:45:11 +0200 Received: (from root at localhost) by ms.foo.bar.it (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3A6jAY17694; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:45:10 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:45:10 +0200 From: root Message-Id: <200304100645.h3A6jAY17694 at ms.foo.bar.it> To: ced at ms.foo.bar.it cc: foo3 at ms.foo.bar.it cc: foo2 at ms.foo.bar.it cc: foo1 at ms.foo.bar.it Subject: [Ced] from console - only text - very long subject 1234567890 1234567890 - end X-BeenThere: ced at foo.bar.it X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============098869207249707269==" Sender: ced-bounces at foo.bar.it Errors-To: ced-bounces at foo.bar.it X-UID: 10660 --===============098869207249707269== send with mail command from linux console only text message see the subject Ciao, Massimo --===============098869207249707269== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ced mailing list http://listmanager.foo.bar.it/mailman/listinfo/ced --===============098869207249707269==-- From daniel.richter at wimba.com Fri Apr 11 09:46:05 2003 From: daniel.richter at wimba.com (Dan Richter) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:46:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More permission problems In-Reply-To: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D049@STJOSEPHMAIL> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030411094118.037f3798@mail.wimba.com> >Shoulda been ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail Are you sure? The install documentation says that the default value of --with-mail-gid is mailman. However, it also says that the correct value "is highly system dependent". I think that I had previously installed Mailman with --with-mail-gid=postfix (that's my mail server) and had even worse problems. ========== Dan Richter ============== mailto:Dan at wimba.com =========== [Larry] Wall [inventor of Perl] believes that people think about things in different ways, that natural languages accommodate many mindsets, and that programming languages should too. - Jon Udell, in his essay, "A Perl Hacker in the Land of Python" From a.carter at cordis.lu Fri Apr 11 10:34:01 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:34:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML on first Options Page In-Reply-To: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> References: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200304111034.01500.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Its in : $mailmandir/templates/en/options.html Anthony On Friday 11 April 2003 01:39, ghhalley wrote: > Howdy All, > > Trying to get my set-up just right.... > > When a user logs into their specific settings, they get one of two > pages. The first asks for the password and after validating it, a > second page (options.html) is displayed where you can change many of > the options. > > Where is the template for the first page? I would love to modify it. > > Is there a way you can turn off the need for authentication? > (Security implications taken into consideration, of course) > > Peace, > George > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From Margrit.Lottmann at URZ.Uni-Magdeburg.DE Fri Apr 11 13:30:03 2003 From: Margrit.Lottmann at URZ.Uni-Magdeburg.DE (Margrit Lottmann) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:30:03 +0200 (DFT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman lists with lists as members Message-ID: Our mailman server started some weeks ago. I don't have the whole knowhow...what all is possible with mailman... I created a closed list with only 4 members, but these 4 members are also addresses from lists at our mailman list server. mailman doesn't deliver emails to the embadded lists ??? My solution was: resolve the 4 lists >>> I wrote all addresses from each list to the resulting list But: this is quite primitive !!! Is there not another convinient solution to our problem ??? -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen M.Lottmann Otto - von - Guericke Universitaet __ __ ____ _____ _ __ Magdeburg / / / / / __ \__ / / | / / ------------------------------------ / / / / / /_/ / / / ______ / |/ / Margrit Lottmann / /_/ / / _, _/ / /_______// /| / Universitaetsrechenzentrum \____/ /_/ |_| /____/ /_/ |_/ Netze & Kommunikation From danny at terweij.nl Fri Apr 11 14:08:12 2003 From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:08:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback error after reinstall Message-ID: <014701c30023$0698fa10$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> Hi, My HD did crashed so i had to install linux again. After all things set up i did restore the mailman dir. Some lists are running fine and some lists are not running fine.. Can some one tell me what this is? Mailman 2.1.1+ Apr 11 13:33:51 2003 (321) SHUNTING: 1050060806.943836+b62c2d8be34fd3054b82e4e6a14cd46 34c96feae Apr 11 13:34:08 2003 (321) Uncaught runner exception: iterable argument required Apr 11 13:34:08 2003 (321) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_diges ts msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 257, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 349, in save_attachment ext = guess_extension(ctype, fnext) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 80, in guess_extension if ext in all: TypeError: iterable argument required Apr 11 13:34:08 2003 (321) SHUNTING: 1050060810.315117+7b3eea2808e1f954805eaa060d2e341 ef262805b From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Fri Apr 11 14:48:00 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:48:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox Message-ID: <014301c30028$967dbb20$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Hi, I hope not to post some dummy question about mailman (/me newby)... Everything seems to work okay (Mailman 2.1.1 + Postfix 2.2.2 on a BSD 3.2) except for one little thing : the pipermail part of mailman refuse to process my mail archives. The $varprefix/data/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox is filled with my messages, but the HTML files are not generated. I've tried many thing : private / public, changing volume frequency (daily / weekly...). To no avail. I don't see any error showing up. Heeeelp ! Thanks in advance. From softsecure at vivace.homelinux.net Fri Apr 11 15:13:18 2003 From: softsecure at vivace.homelinux.net (softsecure at vivace.homelinux.net) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin page shows wrong address. In-Reply-To: <014301c30028$967dbb20$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> References: <014301c30028$967dbb20$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: I'm fairly new to Linux...dabbled in it several years ago, and then started using it on my computer almost full-time about three months ago. I'm using Mailman 2.0.13 on Mandrake 9.1, but haven't figured out how to get the Admin links page at http://hostname.tld/mailman/admin/ to show the proper hostname in the link for the "send questions and comments to" address. It shows up as mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain instead of @hostname.tld Any suggestions? I couldn't find anything in the docs or searches of Google or the archives of this list that seemed to help. Scott Rollins softsecure at vivace.homelinux.net From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Apr 11 15:18:17 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:18:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman lists with lists as members In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030411131205.032beb60@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 12:30 11/04/2003, Margrit Lottmann wrote: >Our mailman server started some weeks ago. >I don't have the whole knowhow...what all is possible >with mailman... > >I created a closed list with only 4 members, but these 4 members >are also addresses from lists at our mailman list server. > >mailman doesn't deliver emails to the embadded lists ??? A problem that can arise with sublists is that, as far as the sublist is concerned, it is not in either the To: or Cc: headers of the email. Depending on the version of Mailman you are using this and how the sublist is configured, this can lead to mail to sublists being held for moderation and such. If this is the problem you can add the address of the umbrella (superior) list to the "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list" field on the admin web GUI for the subordinate lists. If you are using MM 2.1.x rather than 2.0.y the sublist Privacy rules could be causing posting sent down to the sublist from the umbrella list to be discarded silently. The privacy options of both the umbrella list and a sublist have to be satisfied for mail to go through that route to a subscriber and a policy of discarding mail silently set on the sublist could be your problem although you should find it logged in MM's vette log. Another point to note is that, if you have "Send monthly password reminders?" set to Yes for the umbrella list, you should either set it to No or set 'Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead of directly to user' to Yes for the umbrella list. >My solution was: resolve the 4 lists >>> I wrote all addresses from > each list to the resulting list > >But: this is quite primitive !!! > >Is there not another convinient solution to our problem ??? You should not need to do this. If you need more help in tracking the problem down, then post again, identifying which version of MM you are using. >-- >Mit freundlichen Gruessen >M.Lottmann > > Otto - von - Guericke Universitaet __ __ ____ _____ _ __ > Magdeburg / / / / / __ \__ / / | / / > ------------------------------------ / / / / / /_/ / / / ______ / |/ / > Margrit Lottmann / /_/ / / _, _/ / /_______// /| / > Universitaetsrechenzentrum \____/ /_/ |_| /____/ /_/ |_/ > Netze & Kommunikation From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Apr 11 15:48:15 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:48:15 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox In-Reply-To: <014301c30028$967dbb20$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030411144128.04bf73f0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 13:48 11/04/2003, Sylvain Langlade wrote: >Hi, > > >I hope not to post some dummy question about mailman (/me newby)... >Everything seems to work okay (Mailman 2.1.1 + Postfix 2.2.2 on a BSD 3.2) >except for one little thing : the pipermail part of mailman refuse to >process my mail archives. When you say "mailman refuse" do you mean that you just cannot see the HTML archives or is there some problem being logged on the $prefix/logs/error log. The configuration variable ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX should have the value 2 assigned to it to get archiving to both mbox and pipermail (internal archiver generating HTML archives) Check in your $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and that the value their has not been overridden in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py >The $varprefix/data/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox is filled with my >messages, but the HTML files are not generated. Are you saying that the directory $varprefix/data/private/listname.mbox exists bu there is no directory $varprefix/data/private/listname (which is where the pipermail generated HTML archive pages should be) ? >I've tried many thing : private / public, changing volume frequency (daily / >weekly...). To no avail. Have you tried running $prefix/bin/arch listname ? What console output does it generate ? >I don't see any error showing up. Heeeelp ! > >Thanks in advance. From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Fri Apr 11 16:23:33 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:23:33 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030411144128.04bf73f0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <014f01c30035$ef3e4c90$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> > When you say "mailman refuse" do you mean that you just > cannot see the HTML > archives or is there some problem being logged on the > $prefix/logs/error log. Ok, now I feel dumb : I've switched from sendmail to postfix and installed mailman twice... and looked in the old logs/error location ! I've got a clue now : I've got trouble with file permission in my $varprifx/archives directory. The directories are created, the mailbox files are filled with messages, the original HTML file saying 'list is empty) is there. But it gets rejected trying to chmod an attachment file (oops). I just did a "chmod -R g+s" on my $varprefix directory, but how do I force the process to retry generating HTML files ? Btw : If I issue a $prefix/bin/arch listname, it works (before my chmod, and now). Here is the log excerpt : <<<<<<< Apr 11 10:40:24 2003 (18637) uncaught archiver exception at filepos: 0 Apr 11 10:40:24 2003 (18637) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/var/mailman/archives/private/adv/attachments/20030411/38c3dbab' Apr 11 10:40:24 2003 (18637) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 206, in ArchiveMail h.processUnixMailbox(f) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in processUnixMailbox m = mbox.next() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 34, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 79, in scrubber return mailbox.scrub(msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 99, in scrub return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 219, in process url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir, filter_html=0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 341, in save_attachment makedirs(fsdir) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 333, in makedirs os.path.walk(dir, twiddle, None) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk func(arg, top, names) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 332, in twiddle os.chmod(dirname, 02775) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/var/mailman/archives/private/adv/attachments/20030411/38c3dbab' >>>>>>> From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Fri Apr 11 16:37:03 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:37:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] solved : problem with private list archives in french Message-ID: <015201c30037$d211f7a0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Hi I've found an annoying bug in the french translation (mailman 2.1.1) : when visiting the private archive page in french, the authentication form doesn't work. Reason is simple : an extra is issued just after the
, disabling all the controls. To correct this, simply edit the following file : $prefix/templates/fr/private.html and remove the first
you see. Hope this helps... From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Fri Apr 11 17:20:53 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:20:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox In-Reply-To: <014f01c30035$ef3e4c90$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030411144128.04bf73f0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030411161411.04d15d98@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 15:23 11/04/2003, Sylvain Langlade wrote: > > When you say "mailman refuse" do you mean that you just > > cannot see the HTML > > archives or is there some problem being logged on the > > $prefix/logs/error log. > >Ok, now I feel dumb : I've switched from sendmail to postfix and >installed mailman twice... and looked in the old logs/error location ! > > >I've got a clue now : I've got trouble with file permission in my >$varprifx/archives directory. The directories are created, the mailbox files >are filled with messages, the original HTML file saying 'list is empty) is >there. But it gets rejected trying to chmod an attachment file (oops). > >I just did a "chmod -R g+s" on my $varprefix directory, but how do I force >the process to retry generating HTML files ? Stopping Mailman and running $prefix/bin/check_perms with -f option should fix permissions problems and should be preferable to hacking at them one at a time.. Use $prefix/bin/arch to rebuild list archives and regenerate HTML archive pages from the mbox . Run it with the --help option to get its usage. >Btw : If I issue a $prefix/bin/arch listname, it works (before my chmod, and >now). > >Here is the log excerpt : > ><<<<<<< >Apr 11 10:40:24 2003 (18637) uncaught archiver exception at filepos: 0 >Apr 11 10:40:24 2003 (18637) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation >not permitted: >'/var/mailman/archives/private/adv/attachments/20030411/38c3dbab' >Apr 11 10:40:24 2003 (18637) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in >_dispose > mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 206, in >ArchiveMail > h.processUnixMailbox(f) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 544, in >processUnixMailbox > m = mbox.next() > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/mailbox.py", line 34, in next > return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 79, in scrubber > return mailbox.scrub(msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 99, in scrub > return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 219, in >process > url = save_attachment(mlist, part, dir, filter_html=0) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 341, in >save_attachment > makedirs(fsdir) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 333, in >makedirs > os.path.walk(dir, twiddle, None) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk > func(arg, top, names) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 332, in >twiddle > os.chmod(dirname, 02775) >OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: >'/var/mailman/archives/private/adv/attachments/20030411/38c3dbab' > >>>>>>> > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > From boettiger at pobox.com Fri Apr 11 17:49:38 2003 From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:49:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with patch install Message-ID: I need help installing this patch on 2.1.1: Edit header/body of messages Rather than have someone do it for me, I'd like someone to walk me through it so that I can install future patches myself. I am willing to pay money. Please contact me off-list at boettiger at pobox.com Thanks. AB From ben at cenozoa.com Fri Apr 11 18:03:27 2003 From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:03:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with admin cgi Message-ID: <1050076804.4091.7.camel@localhost> Hello, I have posted this in the past, but not recieved a reply. I can access all the user pages fine, to edit a user and login to change user prefs, so I am assuming that CGI is working correctly -- Is this a good assumption? When I go to log in to the Administrative page, I get an error "Authorization Failed" from mailman. I am positive this has nothing to do with cookie settings on my browser, I have checked it from multiple browsers, running on every platform available -- and I checked to be sure the browsers was correctly saving cookies, and it is b/c other sites are using them just fine. As a test, one which i don't know if it means the right thing, I ran cgi-bin/admin program from the command line. -- the error message is at the bottom of this messgae -- I just ran it as my own user through the ssh shell, so it is probably not the right user anyway... however it may be something. This was installed from rpm, and i did a find on my system and there is no source installed on the system, so i'm not sure where to begin if i need to reconfigure, ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! Mailman CGI error!!!

Mailman CGI error!!!

The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in your syslog: 

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to
take 501?)
Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer ------------------------------------------------- Cenozoa Corporation 33 Little West 12th St. #106A New York, NY 10014 http://www.cenozoa.com From danny at terweij.nl Fri Apr 11 18:25:18 2003 From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:25:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback error after reinstall References: <014701c30023$0698fa10$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> Message-ID: <004401c30046$f14fdec0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> From: "Danny Terweij" > My HD did crashed so i had to install linux again. After all things set up i > did restore the mailman dir. > Some lists are running fine and some lists are not running fine.. > > Can some one tell me what this is? > TypeError: iterable argument required > Apr 11 13:34:08 2003 (321) SHUNTING: Solved. I did had Python 2.3 installed :) back to 2.2.2 :) Danny Terweij. From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Fri Apr 11 19:11:25 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:11:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030411161411.04d15d98@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <018401c3004d$628522c0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Thanks for your time... > Stopping Mailman and running $prefix/bin/check_perms with -f > option should > fix permissions problems and should be preferable to hacking > at them one at > a time.. Well, my chmod didn't help, I've just tried that too but it still gives me the message. > > Use $prefix/bin/arch to rebuild list archives and regenerate > HTML archive > pages from the mbox . Run it with the --help option to get its usage. I've tried to rebuild the list archives with arch --wipe : it works like a charm both runnin as mailman user or as root. Maybe it's got something to do with this, but I've just re-installed mailman with a new --with-mail-gid parameter : all of a sudden (more precisely, after changing network params - ip adress and gateway - and rebooting the box) the mailman wrapper script was complaining about the group postfix was using !?!. It worked well until then ! After this re-install, it's back to normal... except list archives still doesn't work. Heeeeelp ! From aaron.bennett at olin.edu Fri Apr 11 19:13:11 2003 From: aaron.bennett at olin.edu (Aaron Bennett) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:13:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] advice wanted: sizing a mailman server Message-ID: <3E96F7A7.2030307@olin.edu> Hello -- I'm looking for advice about sizing a server that will run mailman. How CPU-intensive is this? We'll be managing up to 50 lists, topping out handleing around 1,000 messages a day, with archiving. What sort of servers are you all using for mailman? How much memory, disk space, what OS are you using? I'm thinking currently along the lines of an HP/Compaq DL 360 w/ around a gig of RAM, but I need to be able to make a detailed argument for what we actually need. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Many thanks, Aaron Bennett -- Aaron Bennett UNIX Administrator Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Fri Apr 11 19:31:52 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:31:52 +0200 Subject: TR: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox Message-ID: <018601c30050$3e119830$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> I've just noticed something strange : 0) "mailmanctl stop" 1) "check_perms -f" : 6 errors fixed in my $varprefix/archives/private/adv, .../adv/attachments, .../adv/20030410, .../adv/20030411, .../adv/attachments/20030410, .../adv/attachments/20030411 directories , permission 02775 is needed (fixing) 2) "check_perms -f" : just checking... no problems anymore 3) "arch --wipe adv" : rebuilding the archives, no problemo 4) "check_perms -f" : 6 errors, the same as aboves, fixed again ! Heeeeeeeeeeeelp !-) From jsullivan at mlsnet.com Fri Apr 11 19:30:25 2003 From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:30:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] advice wanted: sizing a mailman server Message-ID: I run a list with over 50k addresses on a server converted from a desktop. I'm running RH8 on the box it is a Compaq Deskpro EN P3 800mhz with 512 megs of Ram. I've actually had the box in my office for the past few weeks while I've been tweaking it. Sending out the emails is still working fine considering my office only has 10meg port and I have 3 other computers running in here. Although I tend to send my newsletters out late at night to avoid any strain on the network. I've noticed that the 10k newsletters sent out take up about 256k of my T1 for about 2 hours or so, not bad in the middle of the night. If I had the cash I would purchase something a little more equipped then my old workstation but for now this is doing the job for me. Next up sending out 20k html newsletters - watchout... -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Bennett [mailto:aaron.bennett at olin.edu] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:13 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] advice wanted: sizing a mailman server Hello -- I'm looking for advice about sizing a server that will run mailman. How CPU-intensive is this? We'll be managing up to 50 lists, topping out handleing around 1,000 messages a day, with archiving. What sort of servers are you all using for mailman? How much memory, disk space, what OS are you using? I'm thinking currently along the lines of an HP/Compaq DL 360 w/ around a gig of RAM, but I need to be able to make a detailed argument for what we actually need. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Many thanks, Aaron Bennett -- Aaron Bennett UNIX Administrator Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsullivan at mlsnet.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsullivan%40mlsnet.com From ghhalley at earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 19:54:11 2003 From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:54:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML on first Options Page Message-ID: <12630947000.20030411105411@earthlink.net> Howdy I am not a web designer so I only know HTML from what makes sense to me. But the code under ./templates/en/options.html looks nothing like the final page. There can only be two reasons for this. Either the code is really imbedded in the routines which are like or this is not the right html. It does seem to be the right html for the second options page (which I described in my first email, see below) Can some one tell me where the html is or how to give me some further direction on the routines like THANKS. Peace, G --- 1:34:01 AM, you wrote: > Its in : > $mailmandir/templates/en/options.html > Anthony > On Friday 11 April 2003 01:39, ghhalley wrote: >> Howdy All, >> >> Trying to get my set-up just right.... >> >> When a user logs into their specific settings, they get one of two >> pages. The first asks for the password and after validating it, a >> second page (options.html) is displayed where you can change many of >> the options. >> >> Where is the template for the first page? I would love to modify it. >> >> Is there a way you can turn off the need for authentication? >> (Security implications taken into consideration, of course) >> >> Peace, >> George >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > This message was sent to: GHHalley at earthlink.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ghhalley%40earthlink.net From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 20:12:31 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:12:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm 2.1.1 on Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <1049913569.2526.18.camel@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030409130611.05024008@mail.imsa.edu> <1049913569.2526.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1050084770.7895.36.camel@anncons> I just installed Mailman 2.1.1 (from source) on a Mandrake 9.1 system. It's working great! I've tested it for a couple of hours and it starts/stops fine, adds lists, adds/removes users, and it sends out mail to lists just fine. I have the following Python rpms loaded: ### Default from the system install: pythonlib-1.28-2mdk libpython2.2-2.2.2-6mdk python-base-2.2.2-6mdk python-2.2.2-6mdk postgresql-python-7.3.2-5mdk python-numeric-22.0-2mdk ### Additonal Python RPMS installed manually: libpython2.2-devel-2.2.2-6mdk.i586.rpm python-docs-2.2.2-6mdk.i586.rpm python-fam-1.0.2-2mdk.i586.rpm python-numeric-devel-22.0-2mdk.i586.rpm python-utmp-0.7-1mdk.i586.rpm Hope this helps those souls installing Mailman on Mandrake 9.1 (one of my favorite OS'es) Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:39, Jon Carnes wrote: > It sounds like a python problem. Try installing python from source on > your server and see if that clears up the problem. > > Note: this is the second complaint this week about accessing Python on > Mandrake 9.1 system. > > Jon Carnes > > On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 14:10, Christopher Kolar wrote: > > Hello. I have been happily running 2.1.1 and recently had to upgrade my OS > > (to Mandrake 9.1 using python 2.2.2). In addition to the expected > > problems, Mailman stopped working. I went through the configure/install > > process without many problems. When I try to start the mailman service I > > get 10 pages of the following: > > ... > > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > Could not find platform independent libraries > > Could not find platform dependent libraries > > Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to [:] > > 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 72, in ? > > import getopt > > ImportError: No module named getopt > > > > I have seen some other posts to the list mentioning problems with python > > installations. I would appreciate it is anyone could shed light on this > > problem. > > > > Thanks, > > > > --chris > > > > > > > > > > /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ > > Christopher G. Kolar > > Coordinator of Information and Technology Integration > > Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy > > ckolar at imsa.edu -- > > staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar -- PGP Public Key > > ID: 0xC6492C72 > > Information literacy news, tools, and programs: > > infoliteracy-subscribe at iti.cnsnet.imsa.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 20:31:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:31:35 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin page shows wrong address. In-Reply-To: References: <014301c30028$967dbb20$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <1050085923.7895.42.camel@anncons> Been awhile since I played with 2.0.13 but I think you should look: 1) in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm-cfg.py file (well really it will be in your Default.py file, but you should only make changes to the mm_cfg.py file) 2) in the web-admin pages for your lists look in the General Options page. If your main page is defaulting to localhost then you'll need to make sure these have been set right as well. Once you make the changes to mm_cfg.py, new lists will be setup properly. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 09:13, softsecure at vivace.homelinux.net wrote: > I'm fairly new to Linux...dabbled in it several years ago, and then > started using it on my computer almost full-time about three months ago. > > I'm using Mailman 2.0.13 on Mandrake 9.1, but haven't figured out how to > get the Admin links page at http://hostname.tld/mailman/admin/ to > show the proper hostname in the link for the "send questions and comments > to" address. It shows up as mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain instead > of @hostname.tld > > Any suggestions? I couldn't find anything in the docs or searches of > Google or the archives of this list that seemed to help. > > Scott Rollins > softsecure at vivace.homelinux.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 20:40:14 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:40:14 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML on first Options Page In-Reply-To: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> References: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1050086434.7895.44.camel@anncons> On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 19:39, ghhalley wrote: > Howdy All, > > Trying to get my set-up just right.... > > When a user logs into their specific settings, they get one of two > pages. The first asks for the password and after validating it, a > second page (options.html) is displayed where you can change many of > the options. > > Where is the template for the first page? I would love to modify it. > > Is there a way you can turn off the need for authentication? > (Security implications taken into consideration, of course) > > Peace, > George > Look in ~mailman/templates/en/.. From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 21:48:28 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:48:28 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with patch install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050090535.7895.53.camel@anncons> The archives have a few really good notes on howto apply patches in general (and more specifically how to do apply them to Mailman). You basically just expand the source, copy the patch to the root of the source and then apply the patch. After that proceed as normal. You'll also find detailed instructions on howto apply patches up on Mailman's Sourceforge site. In particular the instructions for applying the HTDig patches are very well written - though general enough to apply to any Mailman patches. Take a search through there and you might also try the LDP. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 11:49, Adam Boettiger wrote: > I need help installing this patch on 2.1.1: > > Edit header/body of messages > 3&atid=300103> > > Rather than have someone do it for me, I'd like someone to walk me through > it so that I can install future patches myself. > > I am willing to pay money. Please contact me off-list at > boettiger at pobox.com > > Thanks. > > AB > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 21:59:17 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 19:59:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have a yahoogroups list subscribed to my mailman list In-Reply-To: <002c01c2ffa9$c29ab570$083c8ece@GLO> References: <002c01c2ffa9$c29ab570$083c8ece@GLO> Message-ID: <1050091114.7895.60.camel@anncons> On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 17:40, Glo wrote: > And I have a couple of issues, perhaps someone can help me resolve these > issues. > > Problem 1: > When MM gets a post from the Yahoo list it seems to be stripping the > poster's name before it sends it out to the MM list. It is coming > through because the poster addy or name does show up in the archives. > Anyone have any clues what might be happening here and how to fix it? > What does the header of the message look like before it hits Mailman? It's just a guess, but yahoo may be using it's own address as the From and adding the users in as a Reply-To (or vise/versa). Check out the web-admin General Option: Should any existing Reply-To: header found in the original message be stripped? If so, this will be done regardless of whether an explict Reply-To: header is added by Mailman or not. This may be helpful - or not. > > Problem 2: > Any time we get a post from a Yahoo user on the list, and click on reply > The TO field ends up with both list addresses in it. We do have the > yahoo list subscription set to "notmetoo". > Sounds like an extension of the above problem. If that is the case, and the option above is not helpful, you could setup a procmail script to fix the headers before the mail is pumped into Mailman. Best of Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 22:17:12 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:17:12 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More permission problems In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030411094118.037f3798@mail.wimba.com> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030411094118.037f3798@mail.wimba.com> Message-ID: <1050092258.7928.75.camel@anncons> On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 03:46, Dan Richter wrote: > >Shoulda been ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail > > Are you sure? The install documentation says that the default value of > --with-mail-gid is mailman. However, it also says that the correct value > "is highly system dependent". > > I think that I had previously installed Mailman with > --with-mail-gid=postfix (that's my mail server) and had even worse problems. > > ========== Dan Richter ============== mailto:Dan at wimba.com =========== > [Larry] Wall [inventor of Perl] believes that people think about > things in different ways, that natural languages accommodate many > mindsets, and that programming languages should too. > - Jon Udell, in his essay, "A Perl Hacker in the Land of Python" > If you are running Mailman version 2.1.1 and your MTA is Postfix then the recommendation is to use --with-mail-gid=mailman. This assumes that you will be adding /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases as a valid aliases map in main.cf for Postfix (for details read the README.POSTFIX that comes with the Source Code). Remember to run /usr/local/mailman/bin/genaliases to create the initial aliases and aliases.db file. Also note that you will need to modify the default rights on these two files if you want the automation to work properly with the web-based creation cgi. I can't remember the exact rights screen - I think you have to either "chmod o+w aliases.db" or you have to set the owner of the aliases.db file to the webserver owner (apache) and make sure the owner has write writes. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Apr 11 22:30:38 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:30:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More permission problems In-Reply-To: <1050092258.7928.75.camel@anncons> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030411094118.037f3798@mail.wimba.com> <1050092258.7928.75.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <20030411203038.GJ30204@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jon Carnes wrote: > Remember to run /usr/local/mailman/bin/genaliases to create the initial > aliases and aliases.db file. Also note that you will need to modify the > default rights on these two files if you want the automation to work > properly with the web-based creation cgi. I can't remember the exact > rights screen - I think you have to either "chmod o+w aliases.db" or you > have to set the owner of the aliases.db file to the webserver owner > (apache) and make sure the owner has write writes. Just for clarification to the OP (I know you don't need any help Jon :), you should end up with perms like this (in ~mailman/data): $ ls -l aliases* -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 5.6k Mar 13 14:03 aliases -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12k Mar 13 14:03 aliases.db I created a FAQ entry a little while back about this, since it comes up so often and because check_perms won't catch the problem of aliases.db being owned by someone other than mailman -- which it probably should, since that breaks list creation via the web when using Postfix. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ I got stopped by a cop the other day. He said, "Why'd you run that stop sign?" I said, "Because I don't believe everything I read." -- Stephen Wright -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+lyXuuv+09NZUB1oRAp6eAJsEi3ZIapOhmTdMYPK160pCAN73HgCgooeZ 1zzxPwbPIKZqKmyvQkWaaac= =4/P7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ghhalley at earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 22:34:28 2003 From: ghhalley at earthlink.net (ghhalley) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 13:34:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML on first Options Page In-Reply-To: <1050086434.7895.44.camel@anncons> References: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> <1050086434.7895.44.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <5140563484.20030411133428@earthlink.net> Howdy, I've looked extensively in ~mailman/templates/en/.. and have not found anything which made sense. That's why I'm asking for someone else's help!! Peace, G --- 11:40:35 AM, you wrote: > On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 19:39, ghhalley wrote: >> Howdy All, >> >> Trying to get my set-up just right.... >> >> When a user logs into their specific settings, they get one of two >> pages. The first asks for the password and after validating it, a >> second page (options.html) is displayed where you can change many of >> the options. >> >> Where is the template for the first page? I would love to modify it. >> >> Is there a way you can turn off the need for authentication? >> (Security implications taken into consideration, of course) >> >> Peace, >> George >> > Look in ~mailman/templates/en/.. > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > This message was sent to: GHHalley at earthlink.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ghhalley%40earthlink.net From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Apr 11 22:48:52 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:48:52 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with admin cgi In-Reply-To: <1050076804.4091.7.camel@localhost> References: <1050076804.4091.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1050094159.7895.96.camel@anncons> This sounds like the old authentication bug from version 2.0 There was a setting in 2.0 where you could pick the authentication method used by Mailman, and in some circumstances you had to change it to a method that was available on your system (or upgrade your python). # Set to true to use the crypt module for passwords # instead of md5. Crypt may # not work on all Python installations. Don't # change this value once you have # lists running... In fact, you should just let # configure set this one and leave it alone. USE_CRYPT = 1 The user (or member) passwords are stored in plain text, so there is no problem with encryption on those. the admin passwords are stored encrypted, and if the encryption technique used is not available then you will never be able to use one of the admin passwords. Hope this is helpful - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 12:00, ben strawbridge wrote: > Hello, > > I have posted this in the past, but not recieved a reply. > Can't say that anymore. > I can access all the user pages fine, to edit a user and login to change > user prefs, so I am assuming that CGI is working correctly -- Is this a > good assumption? > > When I go to log in to the Administrative page, I get an error > "Authorization Failed" from mailman. > > I am positive this has nothing to do with cookie settings on my browser, > I have checked it from multiple browsers, running on every platform > available -- and I checked to be sure the browsers was correctly saving > cookies, and it is b/c other sites are using them just fine. > > As a test, one which i don't know if it means the right thing, I ran > cgi-bin/admin program from the command line. -- the error message is at > the bottom of this messgae -- I just ran it as my own user through the > ssh shell, so it is probably not the right user anyway... however it may > be something. > > This was installed from rpm, and i did a find on my system and there is > no source installed on the system, so i'm not sure where to begin if i > need to reconfigure, ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! > > > Mailman CGI error!!! > >

Mailman CGI error!!!

> The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set > by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was > configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL > instructions again, paying close attention to the > --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in > your syslog: > 

> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to
> take 501?)
> This is a red herring. You should first "su apache" or whatever user is running your Webserver and then run the cgi from the command line. That gives you a much clearer idea of what is going on. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Apr 11 22:52:30 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:52:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML on first Options Page In-Reply-To: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> References: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030411205230.GL30204@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ghhalley wrote: > When a user logs into their specific settings, they get one of two > pages. The first asks for the password and after validating it, a > second page (options.html) is displayed where you can change many of > the options. > > Where is the template for the first page? I would love to modify it. It's not really a template, but you can find and edit the text for this page in ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py. If you use languages other than English, you'll also want to edit the mailman.[mp]o files in ~mailman/messages//LC_MESSAGES . If you want to change the colors, have a look at the section in Defaults.py labeled "Web UI defaults" (it's around line 158 in my 2.1.1 install). HTH - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -- Alexis De Tocqueville. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+lysNuv+09NZUB1oRAp4RAKCFf/O2i7rGp+9JM9gvqw49fW2VFgCg+vP9 jp8+0GrOG5NLACp9SnXrteM= =ur5Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Roger at compsoc.man.ac.uk Sat Apr 12 00:20:06 2003 From: Roger at compsoc.man.ac.uk (Roger Lynn) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:20:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to display a real-name list Message-ID: <3E973F96.6010300@compsoc.man.ac.uk> Jon Carnes jonc at nc.rr.com wrote: > Not currently, but it is an up-and-coming feature. > > On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 15:08, Nancy Vandenberg wrote: >> Is there a way on the members web options page to display the >> "real" names of the members? If you click on "Visit Subscriber >> List" you get the e-mail addresses but not the names. Is that for 2.2/3.0, or is it likely to make it into the 2.1 branch? This is something I would be very interested in. Roger From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Apr 12 01:30:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:30:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to display a real-name list In-Reply-To: <3E973F96.6010300@compsoc.man.ac.uk> References: <3E973F96.6010300@compsoc.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1050103882.7928.114.camel@anncons> Open Source Open Source Open Source! Feel free to contribute. The more folks do, the faster features will be added. Maybe Barry will comment on when he wants that feature released.... Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 18:20, Roger Lynn wrote: > Jon Carnes jonc at nc.rr.com wrote: > > Not currently, but it is an up-and-coming feature. > > > > On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 15:08, Nancy Vandenberg wrote: > >> Is there a way on the members web options page to display the > >> "real" names of the members? If you click on "Visit Subscriber > >> List" you get the e-mail addresses but not the names. > > Is that for 2.2/3.0, or is it likely to make it into the 2.1 branch? This is > something I would be very interested in. > > Roger > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From dallas at dreamhost.com Sat Apr 12 05:57:58 2003 From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrivia tests Message-ID: Do the administrivia checks in mailman 2.0.13 scan through the entire contents of the message or just the subject? Dallas From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Sat Apr 12 07:20:31 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 01:20:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrivia tests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030412052031.GP30204@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dallas Bethune wrote: > Do the administrivia checks in mailman 2.0.13 scan through the entire > contents of the message or just the subject? It scans the subject and the first N lines of the message, where N is set via DEFAULT_MAIL_COMMANDS_MAX_LINES. The default looks to be 25. See the IsAdministrivia function in ~mailman/Mailman/Utils.py (as Barry kindly pointed out the other day). - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -- Alexis De Tocqueville. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+l6Ifuv+09NZUB1oRAo+vAKDY9QFUqYMSDJzRniFmL/nIOmxM7ACdF/jV y5xCxmfvERPMXWiR0yrDVds= =/LeV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From noc at kaibren.com Sat Apr 12 08:56:13 2003 From: noc at kaibren.com (Net Ops Center) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 02:56:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Display full name in roster display Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030412025604.0268c5e8@gw.kaibren.com> The following diff to HTMLFormatter.py in Ver 2.1.1 will display the full name if defined in the roster (view subscriber) list. It will display in full email address format as: "Full Name" < [obscured]email.addr > Caveat- I don't think this breaks anything else. I don't know for sure. Enjoy, MB /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/$ diff HTMLFormatter.py.dist HTMLFormatter.py 92c92 < showing = Utils.ObscureEmail(person, for_text=1) --- > email = Utils.ObscureEmail(person, for_text=1) 94c94,99 < showing = person --- > email = person > fullname = Utils.uncanonstr(self.getMemberName(person), lang) > if fullname: > showing = '"%s" < %s >' % (fullname, email) > else: > showing = email From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 12 14:23:03 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:23:03 +0100 Subject: TR: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox In-Reply-To: <018601c30050$3e119830$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030412085547.00ab30f8@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 18:31 11/04/2003, Sylvain Langlade wrote: >I've just noticed something strange : > >0) "mailmanctl stop" > >1) "check_perms -f" : 6 errors fixed in my $varprefix/archives/private/adv, >.../adv/attachments, .../adv/20030410, .../adv/20030411, >.../adv/attachments/20030410, .../adv/attachments/20030411 directories , >permission 02775 is needed (fixing) > >2) "check_perms -f" : just checking... no problems anymore > >3) "arch --wipe adv" : rebuilding the archives, no problemo > >4) "check_perms -f" : 6 errors, the same as aboves, fixed again ! > > >Heeeeeeeeeeeelp !-) I wonder if your problems are a result of the user id you are running things as. Personally, I do the configure and install, check_perms, newlist and arch etc, and install the Mailman crontab under the mailman uid; because I have $exec-prefix=/usr/local/mailman I've given the mailman uid write permissions over $exec-prefix/mail and $exec-prefix/cgi-bin directories so that the mailman uid can install under /usr/local. I run mailmanctl for, test purposes, using the mailman uid and for production, run mailmanctl from a startup script, thus as root uid, but mailmanctl setgid's to mailman uid in that case. I've never had any of the problems you are experiencing which is what suggests to me that the user id you are running things as is the source of your problems. Sorry, but offhand, I cannot suggest anything else to try. From marilyn at deliberate.com Sat Apr 12 20:14:20 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Name or service not known In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:04, Marilyn Davis wrote: > > > > I'm still pulling out my hair on this one ... > > Remember that I was trying to get my stand-alone test machine to use > my Sendmail command (really exim) instead of SMTPDirect? Remember? Well, I finally found a better way to fix up my test machine and I can use SMTPDirect and all is fine. So, whenever I made a newlist, it didn't like the owner's email address not having > 2 parts to the domain name. So, I jimmied a domain name in exim. This, via SMTPDirect, resulted in Mailman sending to the dns who couldn't find my jimmied domain name and the mail just sat in the queue. So, instead I jimmied Utils.py to accept domains with just 1 part and all is groovy. Whew! Marilyn From egd at us.ibm.com Sat Apr 12 22:12:21 2003 From: egd at us.ibm.com (Elizabeth Dunnagan) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 14:12:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting April 12, 2003 and will not return until April 21, 2003. I'll get back to you when I return on Monday. From djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au Sun Apr 13 02:54:53 2003 From: djmhbtgw at southcom.com.au (Danny moss) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:54:53 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web page's problems again Message-ID: <3E98B55D.5030201@southcom.com.au> Hi everybody, I am after some help again with my web pages I have just added a second list to my system managed by one of my users I user newlist and put the new names in the alias file ran newaliases .. then restarted httpd but it has stopped my http server and I dont have any new pages for the new list. is there anything else I have missed, that I should have don't for the new list, the email part is working fine just no web pages .. My system is Redhat 8.0 mailman 2.0.13-3 sendmail mailman dir is /var/mailman From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Apr 13 03:19:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:19:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] web page's problems again In-Reply-To: <3E98B55D.5030201@southcom.com.au> References: <3E98B55D.5030201@southcom.com.au> Message-ID: <1050196745.2238.4.camel@anncons> Well first of all, there was not need to re-start the webserver. Were the webpages working previously? And after the re-start, now they don't? That being the case, did you much with the websever configuration? You shouldn't have. If you are running apache you should have something like this in your /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file: # # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks # # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com # with your server's name, to redirect queries to /mailman # to the listinfo page (recommended). # RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo Make sure your webserver is actually running! Best of Luck - Jon Carnes On Sat, 2003-04-12 at 20:54, Danny moss wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am after some help again with my web pages I have just added a second > list to my system managed by one of my users I user newlist and put the > new names in the alias file ran newaliases .. > then restarted httpd but it has stopped my http server and I dont have > any new pages for the new list. > is there anything else I have missed, that I should have don't for the > new list, the email part is working fine just no web pages .. > My system is > Redhat 8.0 > mailman 2.0.13-3 > sendmail > mailman dir is > /var/mailman > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From neil at pacifier.com Sun Apr 13 18:39:12 2003 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin password Message-ID: My ISP switched to mailman (from Majordomo) and I know an admin password was emailed to me for the list I admin, but I cannot find that email for some reason. Is there a way I can get the admin password? Neil From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 13 19:41:16 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:41:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030413183733.032ae9a8@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 17:39 13/04/2003, Neil wrote: >My ISP switched to mailman (from Majordomo) and I know an admin password >was emailed to me for the list I admin, but I cannot find that email for >some reason. > >Is there a way I can get the admin password? > >Neil You will have to ask the site admin (your ISP presumably) to reset the list's admin password for your list and send it to you again. Unlike user passwrods, Lesson: never delete important emails :) From jsullivan at mlsnet.com Sun Apr 13 21:41:41 2003 From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:41:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce emails Message-ID: Hi - I send out a newsletter to about 50k subscribers - I've been sending them out for about 2 weeks now. Today I received in my admin mailbox a few thousand messages like this one below. Can anyone explain to me what this is and what's going on - thanks. I didn't configure anything for bounce mails everything to the best of my knowledge is set to the defaults. Subject: 90minutes member sokk345ay at aol.com bouncing - disabled Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice: List: 90minutes Member: sokk345ayr at aol.com Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. You can reenable their subscription by visiting the membership management page at http://lists.domain.com/mailman/admin/90minutes/members and setting their options accordingly The triggering bounce notice is attached below. Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Sun Apr 13 23:17:42 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:17:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030413211742.GO591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 03:41:41PM -0400, Sullivan, John (SJ) wrote: SJ> Hi - I send out a newsletter to about 50k subscribers - I've been sending SJ> them out for about 2 weeks now. Today I received in my admin mailbox a few SJ> thousand messages like this one below. Can anyone explain to me what this is SJ> and what's going on - thanks. I didn't configure anything for bounce mails SJ> everything to the best of my knowledge is set to the defaults. The default is to process bounces, IIRC. Have a look at the bounce_processing variable in http://lists.domain.net/mailman/admin/listname/bounce HTH & HAND From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Sun Apr 13 23:38:53 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:38:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-virtualhost templating Message-ID: <20030413213853.GP591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Hi! For branding purposes, I am looking for a way to alter the hmtl-templates based on the URL-virtualhost a client is using, so that lists.domain1.net can have a different style than lists.domain2.net. I've tried adapting the $prefix/templates, but this seems to be global only. Is there a way to edit on a per-vhost basis ? Gr, Nils. From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 14 02:47:48 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:47:48 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per-virtualhost templating In-Reply-To: <20030413213853.GP591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> References: <20030413213853.GP591@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Message-ID: <1050281249.2283.20.camel@anncons> Yes, you can modify these on a per list basis. If you are doing this in English, the make a "en" directory off of your lists main directory: ~mailman/lists//en Copy the templates you wish to "brand" into that directory. Mailman will look for the file there first, and if it doesn't find it, will move on to the global ~mailman/templates/en directory. BTW: I hate the word "branding" - unless you're a cowpoke. Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-04-13 at 17:38, Nils Vogels wrote: > Hi! > > For branding purposes, I am looking for a way to alter the hmtl-templates based > on the URL-virtualhost a client is using, so that lists.domain1.net can have a > different style than lists.domain2.net. > > I've tried adapting the $prefix/templates, but this seems to be global only. > Is there a way to edit on a per-vhost basis ? > > Gr, > > Nils. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From ray at hacs.com Mon Apr 14 04:13:21 2003 From: ray at hacs.com (Ray Newman) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:13:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] added 2nd admin & archive help needed Message-ID: I am new to mailman offered by my web site host company. I have two questions I could not find answer in FAQ. 1. I have url and my own password for owner admin for my list If I add 2nd admin does he have to share same url and password I use? I would prefer if he can not change my password. 2. Also I would like to delete test messages in archive. (from when I 1st setup not later) Thanks, Ray From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 14 05:37:32 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:37:32 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] added 2nd admin & archive help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050291430.2196.7.camel@anncons> On Sun, 2003-04-13 at 22:13, Ray Newman wrote: > I am new to mailman offered by my web site host company. > > I have two questions I could not find answer in FAQ. > > 1. > I have url and my own password for owner admin for my list > If I add 2nd admin does he have to share same url and password I use? > If you are using version 2.1.1 then you can have a separate password for Moderators. Moderators can only approve/reject messages. > I would prefer if he can not change my password. > > 2. > Also I would like to delete test messages in archive. > (from when I 1st setup not later) > The sysadmin for the server will have to do this. Instructions are in the FAQ and in the archives. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jbentley at erin.gov.au Mon Apr 14 07:41:45 2003 From: jbentley at erin.gov.au (Jonathan Bentley) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:41:45 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 33 Message-ID: <200304140541.h3E5fjO03576@theia.erin.gov.au> Hi, I'm rapidly going insane trying to get mailman working. Everytime I type "make install" I get: for f in ./*.txt; \ do \ /usr/local/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /sw/mailman/2.1.1/tests/msgs; \ done /usr/local/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; compile_dir("/sw/mailman/2.1.1/Mailman")' File "", line 1 from ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall' I'm using Solaris 8 and have tried various combinations of cc and gcc, all of which produce the same problem. I've installed the latest python without any problems, but it still falls over when it makes the call to python -c. I'm just about ready to give up and go back to Majordomo, but I thought I'd try commenting out this call to python in the Makefile. Before I do though, could someone please tell me what this line actually does? Will I have a dodgy mailman install if I comment it out? Thanks for your help, Jon Bentley. From primoz at gabrijelcic.org Mon Apr 14 08:15:04 2003 From: primoz at gabrijelcic.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Primo=BE_Gabrijel=E8i=E8?=) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:15:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: bad mashal data Message-ID: <00d801c3024d$30ed9600$010b110a@angie> Qrunner dies (don't know why). I deleted lock files and restarted it (via mailmanctl) and now I'm getting this error over and over: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local /lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local /lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local /lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue data = self._ext_read(dbfile) File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local /lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in _ext_read dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data Any help would be appreciated. Primoz From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 14 09:03:50 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:03:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <200304140541.h3E5fjO03576@theia.erin.gov.au> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030414073433.039dfcd8@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 06:41 14/04/2003, Jonathan Bentley wrote: >Hi, > > I'm rapidly going insane trying to get mailman working. Everytime I type >"make install" I get: > > > for f in ./*.txt; \ >do \ > /usr/local/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /sw/mailman/2.1.1/tests/msgs; \ > done >/usr/local/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; >compile_dir("/sw/mailman/2.1.1/Mailman")' > File "", line 1 > from > ^ >SyntaxError: invalid syntax >*** Error code 1 >make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall' The make seems to be failing where it is trying to get Python to precompile Mailman's Python modules, i.e. generate bytecode and save it in .pyc files. It is not a failure I have come across but you could try executing the failing command from the command line, Based on your error report: /usr/local/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; compile_dir("/sw/mailman/2.1.1/Mailman")' If that fails, I'm inclined to think you have something awry with you Python installation but no idea of what. You do not say which version of python you have installed on the machine and running as /usr/local/bin/python, which may (or may not) be significant. Is this Python in /usr/local/bin/python 2.1.3 or 2.2.1 per the Mailman INSTALL document (or 2.2.2 which is also OK)? The failure occurred on the last step in the installation and you could try continuing even though the Mailman's Python modules have not been precompiled. >I'm using Solaris 8 and have tried various combinations of cc and gcc, all of >which produce the same problem. I've installed the latest python without any >problems, but it still falls over when it makes the call to python -c. > >I'm just about ready to give up and go back to Majordomo, but I thought >I'd try >commenting out this call to python in the Makefile. Before I do though, >could >someone please tell me what this line actually does? Will I have a dodgy >mailman install if I comment it out? > > Thanks for your help, > >Jon Bentley. > From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info Mon Apr 14 12:24:35 2003 From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:24:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (mm2.1.1) ValueError: unsupported format character '[' (0x5b) at index 1133 Message-ID: <3E9A8C63.1050103@email-server.info> Hi! I installed the Debian package of mailman 2.1.1 on Debian Woody. When I run mailmanctl, I get this error: root at email-server:/usr/lib/mailman/bin# ./mailmanctl Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mailmanctl", line 544, in ? main() File "./mailmanctl", line 324, in main usage(1, _('No command given.')) File "./mailmanctl", line 134, in usage print >> fd, _(__doc__) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 78, in _ return _translation.gettext(s) % dict ValueError: unsupported format character '[' (0x5b) at index 1133 I did not change anything at the templates. So the error seems to be present in 2.1.1 - or at least in the Debian package. DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGAUGE is unset - ie. it's en, since that's set in Defaults.py. Where do I have to look? Oh, I just noticed - when I set LC_ALL=C LANG=C before calling mailmanctl, everything works. Normally, my locale is set to de_DE at euro. Thanks, Alexander Skwar -- /* Identify the flock of penguins. */ 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/alpha/kernel/setup.c From jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch Mon Apr 14 13:17:40 2003 From: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:17:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with compilation under Solaris 9 Message-ID: <3E9A98D4.F8440030@eos-gd.ch> Hello all, I have some problem for installing mailman under Solaris 9. At first I tried to install python from the source, unsuccessfully because a problem of "libstdc++.so.5" which is not compatible. After, I installed the Solaris package: root at vanuatu # pkginfo | grep python application SMCpython python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 11 2003, 06:15:33) Apache is running: root at vanuatu # /usr/apache/bin/httpd -v Server version: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Server built: Jun 25 2002 09:37:00 When I run: -------------- mailman at vanuatu # ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=other --with-cgi-gid=nobody It work fine except: ... ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "conftest.py", line 2, in ? from socket import * File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: No module named _socket checking for default mail host name... Can't open conftest.out checking for default URL host component... Can't open conftest.out ... ... creating build/cron/mailpasswds creating build/cron/nightly_gzip creating build/cron/senddigests configuration completed at Mon Apr 14 12:40:21 MEST 2003 At next time, I launched: -------------------------- mailman at vanuatu # make for d in bin cron misc Mailman scripts src templates messages tests; \ do \ (cd $d; make); \ done for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers Queue MTA Gui Commands; \ do \ (cd $d; make); \ done gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/local/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./common.c gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/local/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./vsnprintf.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admindb\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o admindb ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o admin ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"confirm\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o confirm ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"create\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o create ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"edithtml\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o edithtml ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"listinfo\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o listinfo ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"options\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o options ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"private\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o private ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"rmlist\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o rmlist ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"roster\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o roster ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"subscribe\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o subscribe ./cgi-wrapper.c gcc -I. -DMAIL_GROUP="\"other\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o mailman ./mail-wrapper.c And install it: --------------- ... ... Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 47, in ? from Mailman import Utils File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? import cgi File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? import urllib File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? import socket File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? from _socket import * ImportError: No module named _socket *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update' mailman at vanuatu # If I check the file "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py" : 24 25 [*] not available on all platforms! 26 27 Special objects: 28 29 SocketType -- type object for socket objects 30 error -- exception raised for I/O errors 31 32 Integer constants: 33 34 AF_INET, AF_UNIX -- socket domains (first argument to socket() call) 35 SOCK_STREAM, SOCK_DGRAM, SOCK_RAW -- socket types (second argument) 36 37 Many other constants may be defined; these may be used in calls to 38 the setsockopt() and getsockopt() methods. 39 """ 40 41 from _socket import * My questions: ---------------- 1. Is there a known problem about this _socket module ? 2. I don't know python, is it possible to install this module ? 3. Is exist a Solaris mailman package for Solaris 9 ? I tried to install mailman with root account AND mailman account, error messages are identical. I compiled Apache, python and mailman successfully under a Solaris 8 box (for testing). Can you help me ? Thanks in advance and sorry for my english ... -- ________________________________ Jean Berthold EOS - energie ouest suisse Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch ________________________________ ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Mon Apr 14 15:49:53 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:49:53 +0200 Subject: TR: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030412085547.00ab30f8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <00ec01c3028c$ba841080$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Still having problems with pipermail... I found the culprit : the process have trouble with attachments. When sending plain text messages, the archive works fine. I've read that pipermail can't manage attachments correctly, but I was thinking it could at least display the plain text version of messages. So, is it normal to have error messages because of attachments ? From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Mon Apr 14 16:09:20 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:09:20 +0200 Subject: TR: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox In-Reply-To: <00ec01c3028c$ba841080$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <011301c3028f$72831d00$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> > I found the culprit : the process have trouble with attachments. When > sending plain text messages, the archive works fine. I've read that > pipermail can't manage attachments correctly, but I was > thinking it could at > least display the plain text version of messages. DAMN, I forgot to say that the messages causing pipermail to hit the fan are HTML messages generated by Outlook 2000. And the attachment causing headeaches is a "text/html" one. If I send a plain text message with an attached file, pipermail works fine. It's only for HTML message with this "text/html" attachment that it refuse to add to archive. Sorry for the first unprecise post. Any clue ? From jennyfan28 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 16:20:54 2003 From: jennyfan28 at yahoo.com (jenny fan) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] import / validate user data In-Reply-To: <20020826204632.19861.24647.Mailman@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <20030414142054.19310.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, We collect about 8, 000 user emails from the online contest. Do you know if there is a way to import the email addresses into Mainlman as the subscribers? And the emails are not validated, is there anyway to validate them before adding them as the subscribers? thanks, Jenny __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 14 16:32:32 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:32:32 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with compilation under Solaris 9 In-Reply-To: <3E9A98D4.F8440030@eos-gd.ch> References: <3E9A98D4.F8440030@eos-gd.ch> Message-ID: <1050330730.2585.27.camel@anncons> Not much help, but apparently you are not the first to have a rough time installing Python on Solaris: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2002-November/014410.html On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 07:17, Jean Berthold wrote: > Hello all, > > I have some problem for installing mailman under Solaris 9. > > At first I tried to install python from the source, unsuccessfully > because a problem of "libstdc++.so.5" which is not compatible. > > After, I installed the Solaris package: > > root at vanuatu # pkginfo | grep python > application SMCpython python > > Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 11 2003, 06:15:33) > > Apache is running: > root at vanuatu # /usr/apache/bin/httpd -v > Server version: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) > Server built: Jun 25 2002 09:37:00 > > When I run: > -------------- > mailman at vanuatu # ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman > --with-mail-gid=other --with-cgi-gid=nobody > > It work fine except: > ... > ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "conftest.py", line 2, in ? > from socket import * > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * > ImportError: No module named _socket > checking for default mail host name... Can't open conftest.out > > checking for default URL host component... Can't open conftest.out > > ... > ... > > creating build/cron/mailpasswds > creating build/cron/nightly_gzip > creating build/cron/senddigests > configuration completed at Mon Apr 14 12:40:21 MEST 2003 > > > At next time, I launched: > -------------------------- > mailman at vanuatu # make > for d in bin cron misc Mailman scripts src templates messages tests; \ > do \ > (cd $d; make); \ > done > for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers Queue MTA Gui Commands; > \ > do \ > (cd $d; make); \ > done > gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/local/mailman\"" > -DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./common.c > gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/local/mailman\"" > -DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./vsnprintf.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admindb\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o admindb ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o admin ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"confirm\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o confirm ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"create\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o create ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"edithtml\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o edithtml ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"listinfo\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o listinfo ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"options\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o options ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"private\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o private ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"rmlist\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o rmlist ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"roster\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o roster ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"subscribe\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > vsnprintf.o -o subscribe ./cgi-wrapper.c > gcc -I. -DMAIL_GROUP="\"other\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 > -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 > -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o mailman > ./mail-wrapper.c > > And install it: > --------------- > ... > ... > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/update", line 47, in ? > from Mailman import Utils > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? > import cgi > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? > import urllib > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? > import socket > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > from _socket import * > ImportError: No module named _socket > *** Error code 1 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update' > mailman at vanuatu # > > If I check the file "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py" : > > 24 > 25 [*] not available on all platforms! > 26 > 27 Special objects: > 28 > 29 SocketType -- type object for socket objects > 30 error -- exception raised for I/O errors > 31 > 32 Integer constants: > 33 > 34 AF_INET, AF_UNIX -- socket domains (first argument to socket() > call) > 35 SOCK_STREAM, SOCK_DGRAM, SOCK_RAW -- socket types (second > argument) > 36 > 37 Many other constants may be defined; these may be used in calls > to > 38 the setsockopt() and getsockopt() methods. > 39 """ > 40 > 41 from _socket import * > > > My questions: > ---------------- > 1. Is there a known problem about this _socket module ? > 2. I don't know python, is it possible to install this module ? > 3. Is exist a Solaris mailman package for Solaris 9 ? > > I tried to install mailman with root account AND mailman account, error > messages are identical. > I compiled Apache, python and mailman successfully under a Solaris 8 box > (for testing). > > Can you help me ? > > Thanks in advance and sorry for my english ... > > > > > > > -- > ________________________________ > > Jean Berthold > EOS - energie ouest suisse > Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 > CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland > Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 > Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 > E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > ________________________________ > > > ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 14 16:42:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:42:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: bad mashal data In-Reply-To: <00d801c3024d$30ed9600$010b110a@angie> References: <00d801c3024d$30ed9600$010b110a@angie> Message-ID: <1050331324.2581.31.camel@anncons> Looks like you have a corrupt database. Try running: ~mailman/bin/check_db on your lists database files. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 02:15, Primo? Gabrijel?i? wrote: > Qrunner dies (don't know why). I deleted lock files and restarted it (via > mailmanctl) and now I'm getting this error over and over: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? > main() > File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main > qrunner.run() > File > "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local > /lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > filecnt = self._oneloop() > File > "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local > /lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in _oneloop > msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > File > "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local > /lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 144, in dequeue > data = self._ext_read(dbfile) > File > "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local > /lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 245, in _ext_read > dict = marshal.load(fp) > ValueError: bad marshal data > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Primoz > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From khera at kcilink.com Mon Apr 14 17:14:02 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:14:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16026.53306.951900.708190@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "JS" == John Sullivan writes: JS> Hi - I send out a newsletter to about 50k subscribers - I've been JS> sending them out for about 2 weeks now. Today I received in my JS> admin mailbox a few thousand messages like this one below. Can JS> anyone explain to me what this is and what's going on - thanks. I JS> didn't configure anything for bounce mails everything to the best JS> of my knowledge is set to the defaults. What did you use prior to the last two weeks to manage your 50k subscribers? Did that software actually delete dead addresses? You must have configured Mailman to notify you when people bounce too much and get auto-unusbscribed. Normally this is good, but when you move a poorly managed list into a system that actually does a good job removing dead addresses, you will discover just how many email addresses go bad each week... On some large lists we operate 2-4% go bad (ie, don't exist anymore) per month. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera at kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info Mon Apr 14 19:09:58 2003 From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 19:09:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py to work Message-ID: <3E9AEB66.3030106@email-server.info> Hello! I'm having problems getting the postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py (see http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py) script to work with Postfix 2.0.3 on Debian Woody. As described in the script, I setup a transport map which should pipe the mail to the "mailman" transport which in turn pipes it to the postfix-to-mailman script. I modified the postfix-to-mailman to print some debug messages in a file. However, this file just remains empty, so I suppose that the transport just doesn't get called. And when I send a "help" message to the -request adress, I get a bounce: : host hetzner.email-server.info[213.133.109.44] said: 550 : User unknown in virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command) I suppose I just missed a tiny bit - but can't figure out what :( Any help would be MUCH appreciated! Thanks a lot, Alexander Skwar ------------------------------------------------------- Configuration: /etc/aliases: postmaster: root virusalert: root webmaster: root ------------------------------------------------------- /etc/postfix/mydestinations: localhost.localdomain localhost ------------------------------------------------------- /etc/postfix/mysql-mydestination.cf: hosts = unix:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock user = mail password = secret dbname = mail table = domain select_field = domain_name where_field = domain_name ------------------------------------------------------- /etc/postfix/mysql-canonical.cf: hosts = unix:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock user = mail password = secret dbname = mail table = virtual select_field = alias where_field = username additional_conditions = and status = '1' limit 1 ------------------------------------------------------- /etc/postfix/transport: lists.message-center.info mailman: ------------------------------------------------------- Output of postconf -n: alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases append_dot_mydomain = no biff = no broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes command_directory = /usr/sbin config_directory = /etc/postfix content_filter = smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024 daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix debug_peer_level = 9 mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" mailbox_size_limit = 0 mailbox_transport = cyrus mydestination = /etc/postfix/mydestinations, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-mydestination.cf mydomain = email-server.info myhostname = email-server.info mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 myorigin = /etc/mailname program_directory = /usr/lib/postfix recipient_delimiter = + sender_canonical_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-canonical.cf setgid_group = postdrop smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/DigitalProjects_CA.pem smtp_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/DigitalProjects_Servers.pem smtp_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/DigitalProjects_Key.pem smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name ($mail_version) (Debian/GNU Linux) smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_local_domain = smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/DigitalProjects_CA.pem smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/DigitalProjects_Servers.pem smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/DigitalProjects_Key.pem smtpd_tls_received_header = yes smtpd_use_tls = yes tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport ------------------------------------------------------- Alexander Skwar -- BOFH excuse #387: Your computer's union contract is set to expire at midnight. From neil at pacifier.com Mon Apr 14 21:08:13 2003 From: neil at pacifier.com (Neil) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin password In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030413183733.032ae9a8@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030413183733.032ae9a8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Richard Barrett wrote: > > You will have to ask the site admin (your ISP presumably) to reset the > list's admin password for your list and send it to you again. Unlike user > passwrods, Okay, thanks. > Lesson: never delete important emails :) And the funny thing is I don't remember deleting it. Thanks. Neil From ben at cenozoa.com Mon Apr 14 23:13:46 2003 From: ben at cenozoa.com (ben strawbridge) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:13:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] SOLUTION! - problem with admin cgi In-Reply-To: <1050094159.7895.96.camel@anncons> References: <1050076804.4091.7.camel@localhost> <1050094159.7895.96.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <1050354519.2719.73.camel@localhost> Hi, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! JONC is my Mailman Saviour! That was a big pain to solve for such a little thing. Do you happen to know which version of python I would need to use in order to support USE_CRYPT=1. So, for all of you who are wondering, here is a summary of the problem and the solution. Problem - Mailman appears to work perfectly. The web site works, the email functions work, but the Administrative section for any mail-list is inaccesible, in spite of a reset mmsitepass admin password and a browser that is accepting cookies. Solution - It appears that all cgi scripts are correct, as the non-admin section is working, because the admin section uses crypt for the passwords you must have a version of python installed which supports the type of crypt used by mailman. To fix the problem either change the value of USE_CRYPT (to 0 in the file mm_cfg.py ... don't change Defaults.py) or you can (i guess, i didn't go this route) upgrade python to the version that supports the crypt that is needed by mailman. Ben. On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 16:49, Jon Carnes wrote: > This sounds like the old authentication bug from version 2.0 > > There was a setting in 2.0 where you could pick the authentication > method used by Mailman, and in some circumstances you had to change it > to a method that was available on your system (or upgrade your python). > > # Set to true to use the crypt module for passwords > # instead of md5. Crypt may > # not work on all Python installations. Don't > # change this value once you have > # lists running... In fact, you should just let > # configure set this one and leave it alone. > USE_CRYPT = 1 > > > The user (or member) passwords are stored in plain text, so there is no > problem with encryption on those. the admin passwords are stored > encrypted, and if the encryption technique used is not available then > you will never be able to use one of the admin passwords. > > Hope this is helpful - Jon Carnes > > On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 12:00, ben strawbridge wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have posted this in the past, but not recieved a reply. > > > Can't say that anymore. > > > I can access all the user pages fine, to edit a user and login to change > > user prefs, so I am assuming that CGI is working correctly -- Is this a > > good assumption? > > > > When I go to log in to the Administrative page, I get an error > > "Authorization Failed" from mailman. > > > > I am positive this has nothing to do with cookie settings on my browser, > > I have checked it from multiple browsers, running on every platform > > available -- and I checked to be sure the browsers was correctly saving > > cookies, and it is b/c other sites are using them just fine. > > > > As a test, one which i don't know if it means the right thing, I ran > > cgi-bin/admin program from the command line. -- the error message is at > > the bottom of this messgae -- I just ran it as my own user through the > > ssh shell, so it is probably not the right user anyway... however it may > > be something. > > > > This was installed from rpm, and i did a find on my system and there is > > no source installed on the system, so i'm not sure where to begin if i > > need to reconfigure, ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED! > > > > > > Mailman CGI error!!! > > > >

Mailman CGI error!!!

> > The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set > > by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was > > configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL > > instructions again, paying close attention to the > > --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored in > > your syslog: > > 

> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to
> > take 501?)
> > > This is a red herring. You should first "su apache" or whatever user is > running your Webserver and then run the cgi from the command line. That > gives you a much clearer idea of what is going on. Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer ------------------------------------------------- Cenozoa Corporation 33 Little West 12th St. #106A New York, NY 10014 http://www.cenozoa.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 02:22:57 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:22:57 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py to work In-Reply-To: <3E9AEB66.3030106@email-server.info> References: <3E9AEB66.3030106@email-server.info> Message-ID: <1050366160.3769.401.camel@anncons> Looks interesting. Personally I'm using the integration built-in to Mailman v2.1.x. It gives the same functionality and actually works. Read the README.POSTFIX file that comes with Mialman version 2.1.x (you can also find a copy in the archives. With this setup, the aliases are automatically created in ~mailman/data/aliases at the same time that you create a list. You add that file to the alias_maps line in ~etc/postfix/main.cf and then set ~mailman/mm_cfg.py to use 'Postfix' as the mta module, and that's about it. The whole process is documented in the README file mentioned above. Two caveats: you have to initialize the alias files by running ~mailman/bin/genaliases, and if you use the web-interface to create lists then you need to either add the web-user to the mailman group - or you need to make the alias files world writable so that the web-CGI can update the aliases files (otherwise you get an error). Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 13:09, Alexander Skwar wrote: > Hello! > > I'm having problems getting the postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py (see > http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py) script to work > with Postfix 2.0.3 on Debian Woody. > > As described in the script, I setup a transport map which should pipe > the mail to the "mailman" transport which in turn pipes it to the > postfix-to-mailman script. > > I modified the postfix-to-mailman to print some debug messages in a > file. However, this file just remains empty, so I suppose that the > transport just doesn't get called. And when I send a "help" message to > the -request adress, I get a bounce: > > : host > hetzner.email-server.info[213.133.109.44] said: 550 > : User unknown in virtual > alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command) > > I suppose I just missed a tiny bit - but can't figure out what :( > > Any help would be MUCH appreciated! > > Thanks a lot, > > Alexander Skwar > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Configuration: > > /etc/aliases: > > postmaster: root > virusalert: root > webmaster: root > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > /etc/postfix/mydestinations: > > localhost.localdomain > localhost > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > /etc/postfix/mysql-mydestination.cf: > > hosts = unix:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock > user = mail > password = secret > dbname = mail > table = domain > select_field = domain_name > where_field = domain_name > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > /etc/postfix/mysql-canonical.cf: > > hosts = unix:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock > user = mail > password = secret > dbname = mail > table = virtual > select_field = alias > where_field = username > additional_conditions = and status = '1' limit 1 > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > /etc/postfix/transport: > > lists.message-center.info mailman: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Output of postconf -n: > > alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases > alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases > append_dot_mydomain = no > biff = no > broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes > command_directory = /usr/sbin > config_directory = /etc/postfix > content_filter = smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024 > daemon_directory = /usr/lib/postfix > debug_peer_level = 9 > mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" > mailbox_size_limit = 0 > mailbox_transport = cyrus > mydestination = /etc/postfix/mydestinations, > mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-mydestination.cf > mydomain = email-server.info > myhostname = email-server.info > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 > myorigin = /etc/mailname > program_directory = /usr/lib/postfix > recipient_delimiter = + > sender_canonical_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-canonical.cf > setgid_group = postdrop > smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/DigitalProjects_CA.pem > smtp_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/DigitalProjects_Servers.pem > smtp_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/DigitalProjects_Key.pem > smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name ($mail_version) (Debian/GNU > Linux) > smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, > permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination > smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes > smtpd_sasl_local_domain = > smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous > smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/DigitalProjects_CA.pem > smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/DigitalProjects_Servers.pem > smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/DigitalProjects_Key.pem > smtpd_tls_received_header = yes > smtpd_use_tls = yes > tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom > transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Alexander Skwar From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Apr 15 02:30:41 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:30:41 +0900 Subject: TR: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail don't process the list.mbox References: <011301c3028f$72831d00$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <3E9B52B1.8090203@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Sylvain Langlade wrote: >>I found the culprit : the process have trouble with attachments. When >>sending plain text messages, the archive works fine. I've read that >>pipermail can't manage attachments correctly, but I was >>thinking it could at >>least display the plain text version of messages. > > > DAMN, I forgot to say that the messages causing pipermail to hit the fan are > HTML messages generated by Outlook 2000. And the attachment causing > headeaches is a "text/html" one. Have you tried ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 3 in mm_cfg.py ? Read the comments in Defaults.py for detail. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Tue Apr 15 02:34:25 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:34:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py to work In-Reply-To: <1050366160.3769.401.camel@anncons> References: <3E9AEB66.3030106@email-server.info> <1050366160.3769.401.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <20030415003425.GB24552@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jon Carnes wrote: > if you use the web-interface to create lists then you need to either add > the web-user to the mailman group - or you need to make the alias files > world writable so that the web-CGI can update the aliases files (otherwise > you get an error). I don't think that's true Jon. At least, I haven't done either of those things and I am able to create lists via the web interface. My alias files have the following permissions: $ ls -l data/aliases* - -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 6.3k Mar 28 18:41 data/aliases - -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12k Mar 28 18:41 data/aliases.db I did get errors if the aliases.db file was owned by root. Perhaps I'm doing something unusual that makes this work, but if so, I'm unaware of it. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ If you can't change your mind, do you wonder if you still have one? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+m1ORuv+09NZUB1oRAsmLAKDNCdSaaHaY1TZA0eEsSB8OIrvVNACgxuwa ZvutkateODnyL30TWaYSJ3g= =zZb3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 03:28:56 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:28:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py to work In-Reply-To: <20030415003425.GB24552@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <3E9AEB66.3030106@email-server.info> <1050366160.3769.401.camel@anncons> <20030415003425.GB24552@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <1050370114.3760.443.camel@anncons> I must be doing something consistently off-kilter. I've had the same problem on Mandrake and Red Hat, and solved it by modifying the world-rights of the file. I'll look at it more closely on my end and play with my test install. Thanks for the heads up! Jon On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 20:34, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jon Carnes wrote: > > if you use the web-interface to create lists then you need to either add > > the web-user to the mailman group - or you need to make the alias files > > world writable so that the web-CGI can update the aliases files (otherwise > > you get an error). > > I don't think that's true Jon. At least, I haven't done either of those > things and I am able to create lists via the web interface. My alias files > have the following permissions: > > $ ls -l data/aliases* > - -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 6.3k Mar 28 18:41 data/aliases > - -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12k Mar 28 18:41 data/aliases.db > > I did get errors if the aliases.db file was owned by root. > > Perhaps I'm doing something unusual that makes this work, but if so, I'm > unaware of it. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ============================================================================ > If you can't change your mind, do you wonder if you still have one? > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE+m1ORuv+09NZUB1oRAsmLAKDNCdSaaHaY1TZA0eEsSB8OIrvVNACgxuwa > ZvutkateODnyL30TWaYSJ3g= > =zZb3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From carl at gruffudd.com Tue Apr 15 06:06:40 2003 From: carl at gruffudd.com (Carl Harris) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:06:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problem from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 Message-ID: Howdy folks I've seem to have run into an error that has me stumped. This is what I've got: System RedHat 7.2 Python Version 2.2.2 check_perms runs clean Everything seems to go fine until I start the mailman qunner daemon and it spits out the following Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? from Mailman.i18n import _ File "/home/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 18, in ? import time ImportError: No module named time Any ideas would be appreceated Thanks -Carl From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info Tue Apr 15 06:10:23 2003 From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 06:10:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py to work In-Reply-To: <1050366160.3769.401.camel@anncons> References: <3E9AEB66.3030106@email-server.info> <1050366160.3769.401.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <3E9B862F.5020600@email-server.info> Jon Carnes wrote: > Looks interesting. > > Personally I'm using the integration built-in to Mailman v2.1.x. It > gives the same functionality and actually works. Well, I didn't quite understand the README.POSTFIX setup. Especially I was unsure about the permissions - it says mailman:mailman, however in Debian, there's no mailman user/group. Anyhow, with the help of Dax Kelson I've got the script to fly - I was just missing the relay_domains parameter. Personally, I think the setup with the postfix-to-mailman script is easier than the one desccribed in the Howto. Alexander Skwar -- Herzlichen Gl?ckwunsch zum Namenstag, heute ist Volltrottel! [Andreas Hirschberg in t-o.s] From listmodmod at elysiumgrounds.com Tue Apr 15 07:15:58 2003 From: listmodmod at elysiumgrounds.com (Dan Wright ADTech Lists) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 05:15:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about an Autoresponse to pending subscription Message-ID: <1050336742.29715.141.camel@mortis> Hi everyone, I'm new to the list, however I've been running Mailman since October. What I would like to know is something that while we can live without, would make things much easier on my moderators. When someone subscribes to one of our lists, we're required to get certain information. Name, club membership number, etc etc etc. What I would like is for the server to send a message once the pending subscriber (after they confirm) asking for this information. Is there any hacks or any other ideas for that? Also I would be interested in any kind of "Temp ban" hack that would remove somoene from one, or all lists on a server for a determined amount of time. Thanks! -- - --(Dan Wright)- -- ---- ----------------- --- -- - - - ADTech: List Moderation - aim: rulesninja - email: ADTech-ListModeration at Camarilla.White-Wolf.com - web: http://www.elysiumgrounds.com/~listmodmod - lists: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo --(US2002021042)-- ---- ------------------------------- --- -- - - From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Tue Apr 15 08:17:27 2003 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:17:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatically discarding posts from non-list members Message-ID: <20030415061727.GA80900@csua.berkeley.edu> Does mailman 2.1.x have an option to automatically discard posts from people who are not authorized to post those messages instead of mailing requests for approval to list admins? We're using mailman 2.0.13 right now which doesn't seem to have such an option but if Mailman 2.1.x had such option that would be an incentive for us to upgrade. -akop From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 15 08:21:46 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:21:46 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problem from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415071548.04387d38@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 05:06 15/04/2003, Carl Harris wrote: >Howdy folks > >I've seem to have run into an error that has me stumped. > >This is what I've got: > >System RedHat 7.2 >Python Version 2.2.2 >check_perms runs clean > >Everything seems to go fine until I start the mailman qunner daemon and it >spits out the following > >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? > from Mailman.i18n import _ > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 18, in ? > import time >ImportError: No module named time One the face of it, this is not a Mailman problem per se but a Python installation problem. If you run Python from the command line and enter the 'import time' line, do you get the same problem? If so, then your problem is that the time module has not been successfully built when installing Python. If not, then maybe somebody else can advise you. >Any ideas would be appreceated > >Thanks > >-Carl From ibroadfo at cis.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 15 08:36:21 2003 From: ibroadfo at cis.strath.ac.uk (iain d broadfoot) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:36:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phantom admin requests? Message-ID: <20030415063621.GC23142@localhost> hey list, every day i get an admin request to go fix things from my mailman list - there's nothing waiting, nor has there been for quite some time. i can't see anything obvious that would be causing this - are there any things i should check particularly? cheers, iain -- wh33, y1p33 3tc. "If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not rightly owned if it is not shared." -St. Augustine From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 15 10:05:34 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:05:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatically discarding posts from non-list members In-Reply-To: <20030415061727.GA80900@csua.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415090357.04386238@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 07:17 15/04/2003, Akop Pogosian wrote: >Does mailman 2.1.x have an option to automatically discard posts from >people who are not authorized to post those messages instead of Yes >mailing requests for approval to list admins? We're using mailman >2.0.13 right now which doesn't seem to have such an option but if >Mailman 2.1.x had such option that would be an incentive for us to >upgrade. > >-akop From jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch Tue Apr 15 10:26:31 2003 From: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:26:31 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with compilation under Solaris 9 References: <3E9A98D4.F8440030@eos-gd.ch> <1050330730.2585.27.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <3E9BC237.B902FB3@eos-gd.ch> Hello, Now I tried to re-install Python from the sources. "./configure" seems working correctly but "./make" : Modules/python.o \ libpython2.2.a -lsocket -lnsl -ldl -lpthread -lthread -lm case $MAKEFLAGS in \ *-s*) CC='gcc' LDSHARED='gcc -shared' OPT='-DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes' ./python -E ./setup.py -q build;; \ *) CC='gcc' LDSHARED='gcc -shared' OPT='-DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes' ./python -E ./setup.py build;; \ esac ld.so.1: ./python: fatal: libstdc++.so.5: open failed: No such file or directory *** Error code 137 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sharedmods' if I try a find to locate this libstdc++.so.5 root at vanuatu # find / -type f -exec grep "libstdc++.so.5" /dev/null {} \; /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so=libstdc++.so.5.0.0 s none SMCgcc /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.5=libstdc++.so.5.0.0 s none SMCgcc /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.0 f none 0755 bin bin 8402256 43236 1030525336 SMCgcc /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so=libstdc++.so.5.0.0 s none SMCgcc /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so.5=libstdc++.so.5.0.0 s none SMCgcc /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so.5.0.0 f none 0755 bin bin 5441032 32551 1030525394 SMCgcc /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.la:dlname='libstdc++.so.5' /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.la:library_names='libstdc++.so.5.0.0 libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so' /usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.la:dlname='libstdc++.so.5' /usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.la:library_names='libstdc++.so.5.0.0 libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so' My $PATH: root at vanuatu # print $PATH /usr/ccs/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sfw/sbin:/opt/sfw/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/apache/bin Is this path correct or do I need change it for including /usr/local/lib/sparcv9 ? root at vanuatu # which gcc /usr/local/bin/gcc root at vanuatu # which python /usr/local/bin/python root at vanuatu # which apachectl /usr/apache/bin/apachectl root at vanuatu # I tried to change my path, unsuccessfully ... Usually, all libraries are automatically used by the system, Im right ? Jon Carnes a ?crit : > Not much help, but apparently you are not the first to have a rough time > installing Python on Solaris: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2002-November/014410.html > > On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 07:17, Jean Berthold wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I have some problem for installing mailman under Solaris 9. > > > > At first I tried to install python from the source, unsuccessfully > > because a problem of "libstdc++.so.5" which is not compatible. > > > > After, I installed the Solaris package: > > > > root at vanuatu # pkginfo | grep python > > application SMCpython python > > > > Python 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 11 2003, 06:15:33) > > > > Apache is running: > > root at vanuatu # /usr/apache/bin/httpd -v > > Server version: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) > > Server built: Jun 25 2002 09:37:00 > > > > When I run: > > -------------- > > mailman at vanuatu # ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman > > --with-mail-gid=other --with-cgi-gid=nobody > > > > It work fine except: > > ... > > ... > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "conftest.py", line 2, in ? > > from socket import * > > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > > from _socket import * > > ImportError: No module named _socket > > checking for default mail host name... Can't open conftest.out > > > > checking for default URL host component... Can't open conftest.out > > > > ... > > ... > > > > creating build/cron/mailpasswds > > creating build/cron/nightly_gzip > > creating build/cron/senddigests > > configuration completed at Mon Apr 14 12:40:21 MEST 2003 > > > > > > At next time, I launched: > > -------------------------- > > mailman at vanuatu # make > > for d in bin cron misc Mailman scripts src templates messages tests; \ > > do \ > > (cd $d; make); \ > > done > > for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers Queue MTA Gui Commands; > > \ > > do \ > > (cd $d; make); \ > > done > > gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/local/mailman\"" > > -DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./common.c > > gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/local/mailman\"" > > -DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 ./vsnprintf.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admindb\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o admindb ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o admin ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"confirm\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o confirm ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"create\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o create ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"edithtml\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o edithtml ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"listinfo\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o listinfo ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"options\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o options ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"private\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o private ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"rmlist\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o rmlist ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"roster\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o roster ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"subscribe\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"nobody\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 > > -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 > > -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o > > vsnprintf.o -o subscribe ./cgi-wrapper.c > > gcc -I. -DMAIL_GROUP="\"other\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 > > -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 > > -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1 common.o vsnprintf.o -o mailman > > ./mail-wrapper.c > > > > And install it: > > --------------- > > ... > > ... > > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ... > > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ... > > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ... > > Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "bin/update", line 47, in ? > > from Mailman import Utils > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 35, in ? > > import cgi > > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/cgi.py", line 39, in ? > > import urllib > > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ? > > import socket > > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ? > > from _socket import * > > ImportError: No module named _socket > > *** Error code 1 > > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update' > > mailman at vanuatu # > > > > If I check the file "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py" : > > > > 24 > > 25 [*] not available on all platforms! > > 26 > > 27 Special objects: > > 28 > > 29 SocketType -- type object for socket objects > > 30 error -- exception raised for I/O errors > > 31 > > 32 Integer constants: > > 33 > > 34 AF_INET, AF_UNIX -- socket domains (first argument to socket() > > call) > > 35 SOCK_STREAM, SOCK_DGRAM, SOCK_RAW -- socket types (second > > argument) > > 36 > > 37 Many other constants may be defined; these may be used in calls > > to > > 38 the setsockopt() and getsockopt() methods. > > 39 """ > > 40 > > 41 from _socket import * > > > > > > My questions: > > ---------------- > > 1. Is there a known problem about this _socket module ? > > 2. I don't know python, is it possible to install this module ? > > 3. Is exist a Solaris mailman package for Solaris 9 ? > > > > I tried to install mailman with root account AND mailman account, error > > messages are identical. > > I compiled Apache, python and mailman successfully under a Solaris 8 box > > (for testing). > > > > Can you help me ? > > > > Thanks in advance and sorry for my english ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________ > > > > Jean Berthold > > EOS - energie ouest suisse > > Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 > > CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland > > Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 > > Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 > > E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > > ________________________________ > > > > > > ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- ________________________________ Jean Berthold EOS - energie ouest suisse Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch ________________________________ ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... From richard.glover at mclc.org.uk Tue Apr 15 10:36:29 2003 From: richard.glover at mclc.org.uk (Richard Glover) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:36:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman broke Message-ID: <000801c3032a$1c4157e0$0700000a@clc.mclc.org.uk> Sorry but im completely stuck, im running mailman on debian and I apt-get updated the other day and now mailman doesn't deliver any mails sent to lists. I'm running Mailman version 2.1.1 I can't find any log entries at all, maybe im just looking in the wrong place ;) so any help would be appreciated! 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Re: Problem with compilation under Solaris 9 (Jean Berthold) ><< message5.txt >> ><< message7.txt >> ><< message9.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> ><< message14.txt >> ><< message16.txt >> ><< message19.txt >> ><< message21.txt >> >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile From richard.glover at mclc.org.uk Tue Apr 15 10:48:21 2003 From: richard.glover at mclc.org.uk (Richard Glover) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:48:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman broke... continued Message-ID: <000d01c3032b$c4932300$0700000a@clc.mclc.org.uk> When I run apt-get update I get this, if its any help: Setting up mailman (2.1.1-4) ... No updates are necessary. Site list is missing: mailman invoke-rc.d: initscript mailman, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing mailman (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: mailman E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) From hans-peter.zahno at unifr.ch Tue Apr 15 11:09:26 2003 From: hans-peter.zahno at unifr.ch (Hans-Peter Zahno) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:09:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with compilation under Solaris 9 In-Reply-To: <3E9BC237.B902FB3@eos-gd.ch> References: <3E9A98D4.F8440030@eos-gd.ch> <1050330730.2585.27.camel@anncons> <3E9BC237.B902FB3@eos-gd.ch> Message-ID: <200304151109.26356.hans-peter.zahno@unifr.ch> Dear Jean, I had the same problem. You should check your library path (LD_LIBRARY_PATH) or add /usr/local/lib to the default library path. I used the 'crle' command, which creates the /var/ld/ld.config file. # crle -u -l /usr/local/lib Regards Hans-Peter Am Dienstag, 15. April 2003 10.26 schrieben Sie: > Hello, > > Now I tried to re-install Python from the sources. > > "./configure" seems working correctly > > but "./make" : > > Modules/python.o \ > libpython2.2.a -lsocket -lnsl -ldl -lpthread -lthread > -lm case $MAKEFLAGS in \ > *-s*) CC='gcc' LDSHARED='gcc -shared' OPT='-DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall > -Wstrict-prototypes' ./python -E ./setup.py -q build;; \ > *) CC='gcc' LDSHARED='gcc -shared' OPT='-DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall > -Wstrict-prototypes' ./python -E ./setup.py build;; \ > esac > ld.so.1: ./python: fatal: libstdc++.so.5: open failed: No such file or > directory *** Error code 137 > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sharedmods' > > if I try a find to locate this libstdc++.so.5 > root at vanuatu # find / -type f -exec grep "libstdc++.so.5" /dev/null {} \; > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so=libstdc++.so.5.0.0 s > none SMCgcc > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.5=libstdc++.so.5.0.0 > s none SMCgcc > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.0 f none 0755 > bin bin 8402256 43236 1030525336 SMCgcc > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so=libstdc++.so >.5.0.0 s none SMCgcc > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so.5=libstdc++. >so.5.0.0 s none SMCgcc > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so.5.0.0 f none > 0755 bin bin 5441032 32551 1030525394 SMCgcc > /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.la:dlname='libstdc++.so.5' > /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.la:library_names='libstdc++.so.5.0.0 > libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so' > /usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.la:dlname='libstdc++.so.5' > /usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.la:library_names='libstdc++.so.5.0.0 > libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so' > > My $PATH: > root at vanuatu # print $PATH > /usr/ccs/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sfw/sbi >n:/opt/sfw/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/apache/bin > > Is this path correct or do I need change it for including > /usr/local/lib/sparcv9 ? > > root at vanuatu # which gcc > /usr/local/bin/gcc > root at vanuatu # which python > /usr/local/bin/python > root at vanuatu # which apachectl > /usr/apache/bin/apachectl > root at vanuatu # > > I tried to change my path, unsuccessfully ... > > Usually, all libraries are automatically used by the system, Im right ? > > ________________________________ > > Jean Berthold > EOS - energie ouest suisse > Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 > CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland > Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 > Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 > E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > ________________________________ > > > ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hans-Peter Zahno | mailto:Hans-Peter.Zahno at unifr.ch Universitaet Freiburg/Informatikdienst| Phone: +41(0)26 300 72 07 av. de l'Europe 20 | Fax: +41(0)26 300 97 04 CH-1700 Freiburg - Switzerland | http://www.unifr.ch From martyn-d at moving-picture.com Tue Apr 15 11:19:18 2003 From: martyn-d at moving-picture.com (Martyn Drake) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:19:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not processing messages Message-ID: <000a01c30330$1ad4e7e0$060f10ac@akutan> Hi, I'm using Exim 3.36 with MailMan 2.1.1 with Red Hat 7.2 to host a few test lists. The set-up is somewhat unusual in that we have a central mail server which serves the entire internal mail domain. Consequently, any email lists must be forwarded within it's alias file as follows:- mailman: mailman@[172.16.15.12] mailman-request: mailman-request@[172.16.15.12] Localuser: localuser@[172.16.15.12] and so on. On the server running MailMan, I have configured Exim 3.36 with the relevant transports and directors as per instructions included with the distribution. I have configured Apache and MailMan as per the instructions as well. I'm able to access the web interface, create mailing lists, etc. In addition to this, the Mailman server is happily accepting incoming messages and delivering them to local users (i.e. such as the example I give above which is anything not related to Mailman list addresses) just fine as well. Exim on the MailMan server is very happy to accept the domain literals. I've also set-up the cron job for the local 'mailman' user to process messages, etc. The problem that I have is that when a MailMan list receives a message on the MailMan server, it passes through the Exim transport and appears to be delivered to the relavent mailing list. I can see files in the /usr/local/mailman/qfiles and see various files updating, but there appears to be absolutely no activity from Exim in sending out messages, sending out confirmation of subscriptions - i.e. no outgoing mail activity at all. All permissions seem to be set correctly, Exim appears to be set-up correctly, etc. However nothing happens. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could look at to see what's happening with MailMan when it gets a message to process? Regards, Martyn From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Tue Apr 15 11:22:51 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:22:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman broke... continued In-Reply-To: <000d01c3032b$c4932300$0700000a@clc.mclc.org.uk> Message-ID: <016201c30330$97532cf0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> > Setting up mailman (2.1.1-4) ... > No updates are necessary. > Site list is missing: mailman > invoke-rc.d: initscript mailman, action "start" failed. > dpkg: error processing mailman (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 > Errors were encountered while processing: > mailman > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) cd to your $prefix/bin directory (when constructed from source, this is /usr/local/mailman/bin by default). If you don't where to look just search for a mailmanctl file. Issue a ./list_lists command, and see if your pre-existant lists are still here. Reading your messages, it looks like it zeroed your configuration during the process (not finding the mailman list, which is the "root" one). Maybe it's just a path mismatch where it doesn't look in the right directories to find data about your list & stuff. HTH. From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 15 11:25:32 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:25:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman broke... continued In-Reply-To: <000d01c3032b$c4932300$0700000a@clc.mclc.org.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415101402.03214ed0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 09:48 15/04/2003, Richard Glover wrote: >When I run apt-get update I get this, if its any help: > >Setting up mailman (2.1.1-4) ... >No updates are necessary. >Site list is missing: mailman >invoke-rc.d: initscript mailman, action "start" failed. >dpkg: error processing mailman (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 >Errors were encountered while processing: > mailman >E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) >------------------------------------------------------ To run properly Mailman 2.1.1 requires that a site mailing list exists; by default the list is itself called mailman. From the above, it looks as though this is missing and the 2.1.1 mailmanctl, used to start Mailman runners, will not start them without the site mailing list existing.. From the command line, you could try running the $prefix/bin/newlist script to create the mailman site mailing list, do whatever (if anything) you need to add the new list's mail aliases to your MTA alias database and then try running whatever Mailman startup script you system is using. [Where above, $prefix is the name of the directory into which the Mailman software is installed] From richard.glover at mclc.org.uk Tue Apr 15 11:45:53 2003 From: richard.glover at mclc.org.uk (Richard Glover) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:45:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: mailman broke... Message-ID: <002101c30333$ceb6ae80$0700000a@clc.mclc.org.uk> All fixed! I created a list called mailman and everything worked fine! Cheers for the help! Rich From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 14:46:15 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:46:15 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatically discarding posts from non-list members In-Reply-To: <20030415061727.GA80900@csua.berkeley.edu> References: <20030415061727.GA80900@csua.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <1050410760.2236.3.camel@anncons> Yes. Version 2.1.x has that feature. There is a work-around listed in the FAQ that sets up version 2.0.13 with a similar ability. The workaround basically throws away all held messages and resets the request.db file every day just before 5:00pm http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp Take care - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 02:17, Akop Pogosian wrote: > Does mailman 2.1.x have an option to automatically discard posts from > people who are not authorized to post those messages instead of > mailing requests for approval to list admins? We're using mailman > 2.0.13 right now which doesn't seem to have such an option but if > Mailman 2.1.x had such option that would be an incentive for us to > upgrade. > > > -akop > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 15:03:02 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:03:02 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not processing messages In-Reply-To: <000a01c30330$1ad4e7e0$060f10ac@akutan> References: <000a01c30330$1ad4e7e0$060f10ac@akutan> Message-ID: <1050411767.2235.7.camel@anncons> Sounds like you are not running ~mailman/bin/mailmanctl. As of version 2.1.x Mailman no longer uses a cron based qrunner. It now uses a daemon called mailmanctl. This must be running for Mailman to process mail. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 05:19, Martyn Drake wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using Exim 3.36 with MailMan 2.1.1 with Red Hat 7.2 to host a few test > lists. The set-up is somewhat unusual in that we have a central mail server > which serves the entire internal mail domain. Consequently, any email lists > must be forwarded within it's alias file as follows:- > > mailman: mailman@[172.16.15.12] > mailman-request: mailman-request@[172.16.15.12] > Localuser: localuser@[172.16.15.12] > > and so on. On the server running MailMan, I have configured Exim 3.36 with > the relevant transports and directors as per instructions included with the > distribution. I have configured Apache and MailMan as per the instructions > as well. I'm able to access the web interface, create mailing lists, etc. > In addition to this, the Mailman server is happily accepting incoming > messages and delivering them to local users (i.e. such as the example I give > above which is anything not related to Mailman list addresses) just fine as > well. Exim on the MailMan server is very happy to accept the domain > literals. I've also set-up the cron job for the local 'mailman' user to > process messages, etc. > > The problem that I have is that when a MailMan list receives a message on > the MailMan server, it passes through the Exim transport and appears to be > delivered to the relavent mailing list. I can see files in the > /usr/local/mailman/qfiles and see various files updating, but there appears > to be absolutely no activity from Exim in sending out messages, sending out > confirmation of subscriptions - i.e. no outgoing mail activity at all. All > permissions seem to be set correctly, Exim appears to be set-up correctly, > etc. However nothing happens. > > Does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could look at to see what's > happening with MailMan when it gets a message to process? > > Regards, > > Martyn > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 15:13:49 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:13:49 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phantom admin requests? In-Reply-To: <20030415063621.GC23142@localhost> References: <20030415063621.GC23142@localhost> Message-ID: <1050412414.2235.16.camel@anncons> I'm sorry Iain, my psychic can't get a clear picture of the admin message you are being sent... you might have to include it with your note for help. :-( Also, my psychic can only pinpoint the version number of Mailman down to 2.xxx. You'll either have to concentrate harder or send that info along with your help note... Sorry, I would call for a better psychic, but they cost too much! - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 02:36, iain d broadfoot wrote: > hey list, > > every day i get an admin request to go fix things from my mailman list - > there's nothing waiting, nor has there been for quite some time. > > i can't see anything obvious that would be causing this - are there any > things i should check particularly? > > cheers, > > iain From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 15:23:51 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:23:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about an Autoresponse to pending subscription In-Reply-To: <1050336742.29715.141.camel@mortis> References: <1050336742.29715.141.camel@mortis> Message-ID: <1050413016.2236.22.camel@anncons> A lot of folks have done this with Mailman. I'm not aware of any of them posting their code/hacks to the list. I believe what they do is setup their own html sign-up page and then have it post to a small cgi that checks the incoming data. If it is complete - or looks complete then they subscribe the user to Mailman. They could either subscribe them by using a subscribe mail message, or they could use a command line call to the ~mailman/bin/add_members command. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 12:12, Dan Wright ADTech Lists wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm new to the list, however I've been running Mailman since October. > What I would like to know is something that while we can live without, > would make things much easier on my moderators. > > When someone subscribes to one of our lists, we're required to get > certain information. Name, club membership number, etc etc etc. > > What I would like is for the server to send a message once the pending > subscriber (after they confirm) asking for this information. > > Is there any hacks or any other ideas for that? > > Also I would be interested in any kind of "Temp ban" hack that would > remove somoene from one, or all lists on a server for a determined > amount of time. > > Thanks! > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 15:30:31 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:30:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problem from 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415071548.04387d38@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415071548.04387d38@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1050413318.2236.26.camel@anncons> Richard is right. Those crazy Red Hat guys decided that they don't use a lot of the Python modules so they would just clean things up a bit and tuck those unused bits into python-dev rpms. The moral, grab your CD's and install any RPM that has "python" in it. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 02:21, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 05:06 15/04/2003, Carl Harris wrote: > >Howdy folks > > > >I've seem to have run into an error that has me stumped. > > > >This is what I've got: > > > >System RedHat 7.2 > >Python Version 2.2.2 > >check_perms runs clean > > > >Everything seems to go fine until I start the mailman qunner daemon and it > >spits out the following > > > >Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 77, in ? > > from Mailman.i18n import _ > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py", line 18, in ? > > import time > >ImportError: No module named time > > One the face of it, this is not a Mailman problem per se but a Python > installation problem. > > If you run Python from the command line and enter the 'import time' line, > do you get the same problem? > > If so, then your problem is that the time module has not been successfully > built when installing Python. > > If not, then maybe somebody else can advise you. > > >Any ideas would be appreceated > > > >Thanks > > > >-Carl > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From adaml at jbase.com Tue Apr 15 17:53:23 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:53:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] do I need to use virtual hosts? Message-ID: I think I need to use virtual host, but not sure can someone help me out or point me to a web page that has the solution? I am sure this has been asked before, but I could not find it in the archive. I have a machine host.company1.com and I would like to accept mail for a list on that machine, but call that list list at listserver.company2.com. How is this done? I am getting a sendmail error about relaying not allowed and I am sure I have messed up my mailman settings as well. I set the mailman config so mail is sent from list at listserver.company2.com and that comes accross correctly, but I'm not sure if it will accept mail once sendmail has it. Thanks, Adam From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Tue Apr 15 17:49:10 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:49:10 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] do I need to use virtual hosts? Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D08E@STJOSEPHMAIL> It's not mailman. It's your MTA. If you're using Sendmail, be sure that listserver.mycompany2.com is set in it's relaying table and/or local-host-names. I've had this repeatedly at work before. --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson [mailto:adaml at jbase.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:53 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] do I need to use virtual hosts? I think I need to use virtual host, but not sure can someone help me out or point me to a web page that has the solution? I am sure this has been asked before, but I could not find it in the archive. I have a machine host.company1.com and I would like to accept mail for a list on that machine, but call that list list at listserver.company2.com. How is this done? I am getting a sendmail error about relaying not allowed and I am sure I have messed up my mailman settings as well. I set the mailman config so mail is sent from list at listserver.company2.com and that comes accross correctly, but I'm not sure if it will accept mail once sendmail has it. Thanks, Adam ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep h.mo.us From bash at twignation.com Tue Apr 15 18:24:21 2003 From: bash at twignation.com (b. ash) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:24:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange archive issue 2.0.13 Message-ID: <3E9C3235.7010000@twignation.com> Hi, I keep getting these problems with my archives. The files exist in the exact path below. What could be the problem? I am using Mailman 2.0.13 Problem output: Archive File Not Found No file /prodnetwork/index.html (/research/common/mailman-2.0.13/archives/private/prodnetwork/index.html) From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Apr 15 18:27:52 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:27:52 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No tags at bottom of message Message-ID: <1050427558.2137.10.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Is it possible for mailman NOT to add stuff to the bottom of messages? From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Tue Apr 15 18:23:18 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:23:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No tags at bottom of message Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D096@STJOSEPHMAIL> Yup... it's in your administrative pages.. I think in the main section (general options) under "footer" --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Angel Gabriel [mailto:badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:26 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] No tags at bottom of message Is it possible for mailman NOT to add stuff to the bottom of messages? ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep h.mo.us From listmodmod at elysiumgrounds.com Tue Apr 15 18:31:16 2003 From: listmodmod at elysiumgrounds.com (Dan Wright ADTech Lists) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:31:16 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives for private lists Message-ID: <1050377258.29513.426.camel@mortis> What are the best methods for having seachable archives for private lists without comprimising the security of the lists contents? Suggestions? -- - --(Dan Wright)- -- ---- ----------------- --- -- - - - ADTech: List Moderation - aim: rulesninja - email: ADTech-ListModeration at Camarilla.White-Wolf.com - web: http://www.elysiumgrounds.com/~listmodmod - lists: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo --(US2002021042)-- ---- ------------------------------- --- -- - - From ibroadfo at cis.strath.ac.uk Tue Apr 15 19:04:40 2003 From: ibroadfo at cis.strath.ac.uk (iain d broadfoot) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:04:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phantom admin requests? In-Reply-To: <1050412414.2235.16.camel@anncons> References: <20030415063621.GC23142@localhost> <1050412414.2235.16.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <20030415170440.GD23142@localhost> ah yes, a little more info might help. :D * Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: > I'm sorry Iain, my psychic can't get a clear picture of the admin > message you are being sent... you might have to include it with your > note for help. :-( it's the standard 'X admin requests waiting' that mailman sends out when (for example) someone tries to post to a limited list. > > Also, my psychic can only pinpoint the version number of Mailman down to > 2.xxx. You'll either have to concentrate harder or send that info along > with your help note... version is 2.0.11 - system running Debian Woody. thanks, iain -- wh33, y1p33 3tc. "If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not rightly owned if it is not shared." -St. Augustine From raywood at magma.ca Tue Apr 15 19:27:37 2003 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:27:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to List 1 automatically subscribes user to List 2 Message-ID: <20030415172736.GA1440@magma.ca> Hello mailman-users, I'm writing to ask your collective advice about how best to arrange it so that when a user subscribes to one list (say, MAIN), then they automatically get subscribed to a second list (say, ANNOUNCE). One issue here is that there may be people who want to subscribe to ANNOUNCE who do not want to subscribe to MAIN :) Otherwise a solution would likely be much easier to find... Here are some ideas that have surfaced: 1. Subscribe the list MAIN itself to list ANNOUNCE. If this will work, I assume we would have to configure carefully to make sure that duplicate posts are not sent out :) 2. Hack together some shell script, run as a cron job, that would automatically subscribe MAIN newcomers to the ANNOUNCE list. 3. I also read a brief reference in the Mailman documentation to something called 'Umbrella Lists' -- not sure whether this is useful to what we want to do or not though. I am currently assuming that #1 above is the simplest, unless there are hidden gotchas. Has anyone on this list tried #1 before, or know whether it is possible? If anyone has a better idea I am all ears :) Basically I'm trying to find the most elegant solution possible to get MAIN list subscribers automagically subscribed to the ANNOUNCE list. Thanks in advance for your input, Cheers, Raymond From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Apr 15 20:23:05 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:23:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading FAQ? Message-ID: <1050434473.4133.18.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> I am about to upgrade from the version of mailman that comes with RH7.3 to the latest version. Is there a FAQ that I need to be aware of? Maybe a list of things that I need to look out for? I was planning on looking for the latest RPM, and just upgrading. From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Apr 15 21:02:18 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:02:18 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe? Message-ID: <1050436829.4904.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Is it possible for someone to send a message to an email address that i set up, and have them auto subscribed to a list?? Also, is it possible to make all possible changes via email?? ie can I subscribe or unsubscribe someone via email?? From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 21:23:17 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:23:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe? In-Reply-To: <1050436829.4904.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1050436829.4904.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <1050434582.2236.56.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 16:00, Angel Gabriel wrote: > Is it possible for someone to send a message to an email address that i > set up, and have them auto subscribed to a list?? > Yes. To: -request at domain.com Subject: subscribe They will get back a confirmation message. > Also, is it possible to make all possible changes via email?? > > ie can I subscribe or unsubscribe someone via email?? Yes. To: -request at domain.com Subject: help You will get back a list of commands for handling your list account. Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 21:38:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:38:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phantom admin requests? In-Reply-To: <20030415170440.GD23142@localhost> References: <20030415063621.GC23142@localhost> <1050412414.2235.16.camel@anncons> <20030415170440.GD23142@localhost> Message-ID: <1050435520.2235.65.camel@anncons> You are getting a notice of waiting messages but when you click on the link (or go to the admindb page manually) you don't find any messages waiting to be approved? Take a look at the request.db file for the list: ~mailman/lists//request.db Make sure the rights on the file are correct. That file may be corrupted. If so you can simply replace it with another list's request.db file (just make sure the file is empty before copying). In version 2.1.x you can simply delete the request.db file and it will be regenerated - but alas, you can not do that in version 2.0.x of Mailman. Still, copying an empty request.db over the corrupt one should take little effort. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 13:04, iain d broadfoot wrote: > ah yes, a little more info might help. :D > > * Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: > > I'm sorry Iain, my psychic can't get a clear picture of the admin > > message you are being sent... you might have to include it with your > > note for help. :-( > > it's the standard 'X admin requests waiting' that mailman sends out when > (for example) someone tries to post to a limited list. > > > > > Also, my psychic can only pinpoint the version number of Mailman down to > > 2.xxx. You'll either have to concentrate harder or send that info along > > with your help note... > > version is 2.0.11 - system running Debian Woody. > > thanks, > > iain From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Apr 15 21:43:31 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:43:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe? In-Reply-To: <1050434582.2236.56.camel@anncons> References: <1050436829.4904.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> <1050434582.2236.56.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <1050439109.5312.37.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 19:23, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 16:00, Angel Gabriel wrote: > > Is it possible for someone to send a message to an email address that i > > set up, and have them auto subscribed to a list?? > > > Yes > To: -request at domain.com > Subject: subscribe > > They will get back a confirmation message > > > Also, is it possible to make all possible changes via email?? > > > > ie can I subscribe or unsubscribe someone via email?? > > Yes > To: -request at domain.com > Subject: help > > You will get back a list of commands for handling your list account > > Jon Carnes > Is -request an alias? Because if it is, shouldn't I be able to make it anything?? Or alias another name to -request ? And the think is, my users may not always remember to add subscribe to the subject. From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Apr 15 21:43:46 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:43:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe? In-Reply-To: <1050434582.2236.56.camel@anncons> References: <1050436829.4904.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> <1050434582.2236.56.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <1050439238.4904.42.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 19:23, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 16:00, Angel Gabriel wrote: > > Is it possible for someone to send a message to an email address that i > > set up, and have them auto subscribed to a list?? > > > Yes > To: -request at domain.com > Subject: subscribe > > They will get back a confirmation message > > > Also, is it possible to make all possible changes via email?? > > > > ie can I subscribe or unsubscribe someone via email?? > > Yes > To: -request at domain.com > Subject: help > > You will get back a list of commands for handling your list account > > Jon Carnes Is it possible to subscribe them without the confirmation?? From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 21:57:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:57:39 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Searchable Archives for private lists In-Reply-To: <1050377258.29513.426.camel@mortis> References: <1050377258.29513.426.camel@mortis> Message-ID: <1050436639.2236.84.camel@anncons> On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 23:27, Dan Wright ADTech Lists wrote: > What are the best methods for having seachable archives for private > lists without comprimising the security of the lists contents? > > Suggestions? "Best" is such a relative term... I think in general you want to limit the ability to use the Search engine to only those folks that are allowed to access the Archives. My favorite Search engine is HTDig and it does not have this ability built into it (at least not the version I use). You could setup access to the Search CGI so that it required authentication. Then you can have your users login in order to use the search engine. There is an FAQ entry that lets you create a password file suitable for use with Apache. So you could setup the Search engine to ask for the same login/authentication that Mailman uses for access to the private Archives. Good Luck - and let us know what you end up doing. Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 22:09:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:09:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange archive issue 2.0.13 In-Reply-To: <3E9C3235.7010000@twignation.com> References: <3E9C3235.7010000@twignation.com> Message-ID: <1050437319.2235.91.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 12:24, b. ash wrote: > Hi, > > I keep getting these problems with my archives. The files exist in the > exact path below. What could be the problem? > > I am using Mailman 2.0.13 > > Problem output: > Archive File Not Found > No file /prodnetwork/index.html > (/research/common/mailman-2.0.13/archives/private/prodnetwork/index.html) > What are the rights on the file and the directory? When are you getting this message? Should the file be: /prodnetwork/index.html or prodnetwork/index.html Jon Carnes From shekarp at pcweb.com Tue Apr 15 22:10:13 2003 From: shekarp at pcweb.com (Shekar Pasumarthi) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:10:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Here is a problem I am having with mailman. Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415130857.02529420@www.pcweb.com> I have couple of lists created and they were and are working fine, but none of the commands (list_lists, rmlist) are working, now. These are the few errors I am getting. Any help or pointers would be great. Thanks Shekar cymbal% ./check_db Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_db", line 31, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: No module named Mailman cymbal% ./list_members Traceback (most recent call last): File "./list_members", line 59, in ? from Mailman import MailList ImportError: No module named Mailman cymbal% ./config_list Traceback (most recent call last): File "./config_list", line 71, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: No module named Mailman cymbal% ./rmlist Traceback (most recent call last): File "./rmlist", line 44, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: No module named Mailman From cummingscs at netscape.net Tue Apr 15 22:38:20 2003 From: cummingscs at netscape.net (Steven Cummings) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:38:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after installation? Message-ID: <481E81F4.7075F6CE.0EE20915@netscape.net> Hello, I noticed one other posting to this mailing list from a person with my same problem but no response, so here goes nothing. Mailman seemed to install fine, I started it up as root and I got the first email indicating that I was the owner of the first list ('mailman'). But trying to view ANY of the pages under '/mailman' through the web-server gives me the following error: Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. The group does exist, and I've found that even if I exclude the with-cgi-gid option it tries to run as nobody(gid=99) and gives me the same error, and of course that group exists. The options I used during configuration were --with-mail-gid=mail (or 12) and --with-cgi-gid=mailman. Does anybody have any idea of how this can be solved? Thanks! /S -- Steven Cummings Columbia, MO Email: cummingscs at netscape.net AIM: cummingscs ICQ: 3330114 MSN: cscummings at hotmail.com __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 22:45:43 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:45:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to List 1 automatically subscribes user to List 2 In-Reply-To: <20030415172736.GA1440@magma.ca> References: <20030415172736.GA1440@magma.ca> Message-ID: <1050439528.2235.125.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 13:27, Raymond Wood wrote: > Hello mailman-users, > > I'm writing to ask your collective advice about how best to > arrange it so that when a user subscribes to one list (say, > MAIN), then they automatically get subscribed to a second list > (say, ANNOUNCE). > > One issue here is that there may be people who want to subscribe > to ANNOUNCE who do not want to subscribe to MAIN :) Otherwise > a solution would likely be much easier to find... > > Here are some ideas that have surfaced: > > 2. Hack together some shell script, run as a cron job, that would > automatically subscribe MAIN newcomers to the ANNOUNCE list. This is my choice. You can use the mailman commands (in ~mailman/bin/..) to help you write the script: list_members - this will show the email address subscribed to a list add_members - this will add users to a list You could periodically (every hour) dump out the email addresses from Main, then use that list to do an add_member to Announce. Mailman won't add the same user twice, so it will ignore duplicates and only add any new users. I have a feeling that you want Announce to be a list of all your users (no matter what list they are on). In that case, I would use list_members to dump out the email addresses from each of the lists into one big file, then use: sync_members to add/delete users from the list Announce. The Umbrella FAQ entry has a script that does this very nicely! > I am currently assuming that #1 above is the simplest, unless > there are hidden gotchas. Has anyone on this list tried #1 > before, or know whether it is possible? #1 works okay. You will have to put the Announce list name into an entry for each of the other lists that indicates that sending to Announce is the same as sending to this address (Mailman holds email that is not sent explicitly to the list - using either the TO: field or the CC: field). You will also have to apply one of the Mailman patches that stops duplicate emails from being sent when a user is on more than one list. > > If anyone has a better idea I am all ears :) Basically I'm > trying to find the most elegant solution possible to get MAIN > list subscribers automagically subscribed to the ANNOUNCE list. > > Thanks in advance for your input, > Cheers, > Raymond From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 23:05:55 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:05:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Here is a problem I am having with mailman. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415130857.02529420@www.pcweb.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415130857.02529420@www.pcweb.com> Message-ID: <1050440726.2235.129.camel@anncons> Very interesting! Never seen that before... Check the paths.py file in your ~mailman/bin/.. directory. Make sure that the prefix variable is set to the correct location for Mailman's root install. HtH - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 16:10, Shekar Pasumarthi wrote: > I have couple of lists created and they were and are working fine, but none > of the commands (list_lists, rmlist) are working, now. These are the few > errors I am getting. Any help or pointers would be great. > > Thanks > Shekar > > cymbal% ./check_db > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./check_db", line 31, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > cymbal% ./list_members > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./list_members", line 59, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > cymbal% ./config_list > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./config_list", line 71, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > cymbal% ./rmlist > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./rmlist", line 44, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 23:13:54 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:13:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after installation? In-Reply-To: <481E81F4.7075F6CE.0EE20915@netscape.net> References: <481E81F4.7075F6CE.0EE20915@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1050441220.2236.137.camel@anncons> Steven, this is actually in the FAQ. It looks like you need to set the web-server Group ID correctly when you run "./configure". What user/group does your web-server run as? Typically it is "apache" or "nobody". As you haven't included your OS or your version of Mailman or any other relevant information it is harder to be of more help. In general you can find the GID for the CGI by using: cd /etc/httpd/conf ; grep ^Group * Good Luck - HtH. On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 16:38, Steven Cummings wrote: > Hello, > > I noticed one other posting to this mailing list from a person with my same problem but no response, so here goes nothing. Mailman seemed to install fine, I started it up as root and I got the first email indicating that I was the owner of the first list ('mailman'). But trying to view ANY of the pages under '/mailman' through the web-server gives me the following error: > > Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group > to your system, or re-run configure, providing an > existing group name with the command line option --with-cgi-gid. > > The group does exist, and I've found that even if I exclude the with-cgi-gid option it tries to run as nobody(gid=99) and gives me the same error, and of course that group exists. > > The options I used during configuration were --with-mail-gid=mail (or 12) and --with-cgi-gid=mailman. Does anybody have any idea of how this can be solved? Thanks! > > /S From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 15 23:33:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:33:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Here is a problem I am having with mailman. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415141606.058da848@www.pcweb.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415130857.02529420@www.pcweb.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030415130857.02529420@www.pcweb.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030415141606.058da848@www.pcweb.com> Message-ID: <1050442389.4741.149.camel@anncons> Check the permissions on your files and directories. ~mailman/bin/check_perms may or may not be helpful to you at this point. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 17:18, Shekar Pasumarthi wrote: > It is pointing to the root of the mailman install. If there are any other > hints that would be great. > > Thanks > > > At 05:05 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Very interesting! Never seen that before... > > > >Check the paths.py file in your ~mailman/bin/.. directory. Make sure > >that the prefix variable is set to the correct location for Mailman's > >root install. > > > >HtH - Jon Carnes > > > >On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 16:10, Shekar Pasumarthi wrote: > > > I have couple of lists created and they were and are working fine, but > > none > > > of the commands (list_lists, rmlist) are working, now. These are the few > > > errors I am getting. Any help or pointers would be great. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Shekar > > > > > > cymbal% ./check_db > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "./check_db", line 31, in ? > > > from Mailman import mm_cfg > > > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > > > > cymbal% ./list_members > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "./list_members", line 59, in ? > > > from Mailman import MailList > > > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > > > > cymbal% ./config_list > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "./config_list", line 71, in ? > > > from Mailman import mm_cfg > > > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > > > > cymbal% ./rmlist > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "./rmlist", line 44, in ? > > > from Mailman import mm_cfg > > > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > > > > > From drew at norris.ca Tue Apr 15 23:48:46 2003 From: drew at norris.ca (drew) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:48:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] permissions [errrno 13] with debian and mailman 2.1.1 Message-ID: <1050443320.3136.74.camel@myrrdin> Hello all, I have been fighting with the gid bit problem in debian for hours now and any suggestions would be very welcome. First of all, I am running Debian sarge/sid and recently updated to mailman 2.1, since then I haven't been able to get this setup to work. I have looked through the FAQ and lists but can't find the solution. Currently installed are: #dpkg -l ii mailman 2.1.1-4 Powerful, web-based mailing list manager ii postfix 2.0.7-3 A high-performance mail transport agent ii python2.2 2.2.2-6 An interactive object-oriented scripting lan The debian install expects the wrapper to run as 'daemon', so the scripts and aliases file are gid=daemon. This resolved the first error, 'mailman expected gid * but got *' Now however I get the error: > > : Command died with status 1: > "/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist". Command output: Traceback > (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, > in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main > tolist=1, _plaintext=1) File > "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 119, in enqueue > msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in/1050441658.894328+c3d40fa3cc77b6e69c38fb5fcbe2c5501aa16d1c.msg' > :/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in# ls -l total 8 -rw-rw---- 1 daemon list 101 2003-04-15 13:28 1050434883.182302+48104b718d4126d56bdcb85557a54afe8c222076.db -rw-rw---- 1 daemon list 596 2003-04-15 13:28 1050434883.182302+48104b718d4126d56bdcb85557a54afe8c222076.msg :/var/lib/mailman/qfiles# ls -l total 0 drwxrws--- 2 list list 6 2003-04-09 08:38 archive drwxrws--- 2 list list 6 2003-04-09 08:38 bounces drwxrws--- 2 list list 6 2003-04-09 08:38 commands drwxrws--- 2 list list 143 2003-04-15 13:28 in drwxrws--- 2 list list 6 2003-04-09 08:38 news drwxrws--- 2 list list 6 2003-04-14 22:50 out drwxrws--- 2 list list 6 2003-04-09 08:38 shunt drwxrws--- 2 list list 6 2003-04-14 22:50 virgin bin/check_perms doesn't complain of any permission errors. Any suggestions welcome Drew -- drew From pareilly at tcd.ie Wed Apr 16 00:00:08 2003 From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:00:08 +0100 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 archives not being generated? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030411144128.04bf73f0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm using Mailman 2.1 but it doesn't seem to be doing the archiving. I create a new list 'test2' and it creates the archives/private/test2/ archives/private/test2.mbox/ but there's only the index.html file in the first dir. I have archiving turned off by default for new lists in mm_cfg_py DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = 0 ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 but once the list is created I enable it for this list. however several emails later, there's nothing in the archives. If I do a 'check_perms' all is OK. If I do a 'check_db' I get this error: List: test2 /home/spacegen/mailman/lists/test2/config.pck: okay /home/spacegen/mailman/lists/test2/config.pck.last: okay [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/spacegen/mailman/lists/test2/config.db' [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/spacegen/mailman/lists/test2/config.db.last If I do a 'arch --wipe test2' I get: No such file or directory: '/home/spacegen/mailman/archives/private/test2' What have I done wrong?! Paul From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 16 00:34:08 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:34:08 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 archives not being generated? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050446033.2235.161.camel@anncons> There is nothing wrong (at lest not so far). It can take 24 hours before the first archives are built. On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 18:00, Paul Reilly wrote: > I'm using Mailman 2.1 but it doesn't seem to be doing the archiving. > I create a new list 'test2' and it creates the > > archives/private/test2/ > archives/private/test2.mbox/ > > but there's only the index.html file in the first dir. > I have archiving turned off by default for new lists in mm_cfg_py > > DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = 0 > ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1 > DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 > > but once the list is created I enable it for this list. > however several emails later, there's nothing in the archives. > > If I do a 'check_perms' all is OK. > If I do a 'check_db' I get this error: > > List: test2 > /home/spacegen/mailman/lists/test2/config.pck: okay > /home/spacegen/mailman/lists/test2/config.pck.last: okay > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/spacegen/mailman/lists/test2/config.db' > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/spacegen/mailman/lists/test2/config.db.last > This is perfectly normal (the config.db files are the old style version 2.0.x Mailman configuration files). > If I do a 'arch --wipe test2' I get: > > No such file or directory: '/home/spacegen/mailman/archives/private/test2' > > > What have I done wrong?! > > Paul > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From pareilly at tcd.ie Wed Apr 16 00:44:12 2003 From: pareilly at tcd.ie (Paul Reilly) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:44:12 +0100 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 archives not being generated? In-Reply-To: <1050446033.2235.161.camel@anncons> Message-ID: OK. Thanks Jon. > There is nothing wrong (at lest not so far). It can take 24 hours before > the first archives are built. > Is it run from cron? Can I force a build? > This is perfectly normal (the config.db files are the old style version > 2.0.x Mailman configuration files). > OK. good to know. Thanks Paul From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 16 01:12:24 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:12:24 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Here is a problem I am having with mailman. In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415153413.058d8d28@www.pcweb.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415141606.058da848@www.pcweb.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030415130857.02529420@www.pcweb.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030415130857.02529420@www.pcweb.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030415141606.058da848@www.pcweb.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030415153413.058d8d28@www.pcweb.com> Message-ID: <1050448330.4741.170.camel@anncons> Try this... Move to the root of the Mailman install and try: chgrp -R mailman chmod -R g+s This assumes that you installed mailman to use the default user and default group of "mailman". That should fix most any rights/ownership problems. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 18:38, Shekar Pasumarthi wrote: > Same problem...... > > cymbal% ./check_perms > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./check_perms", line 46, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > Do I have any other way to export the members from the lists. The web > interface does show them, but there are about 3000 so it spans across > multiple pages. > > > Thanks > Shekar > > > At 05:33 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Check the permissions on your files and directories. > > ~mailman/bin/check_perms > >may or may not be helpful to you at this point. > > > >Jon Carnes > > > >On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 17:18, Shekar Pasumarthi wrote: > > > It is pointing to the root of the mailman install. If there are any other > > > hints that would be great. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > At 05:05 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Very interesting! Never seen that before... > > > > > > > >Check the paths.py file in your ~mailman/bin/.. directory. Make sure > > > >that the prefix variable is set to the correct location for Mailman's > > > >root install. > > > > > > > >HtH - Jon Carnes > > > > > > > >On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 16:10, Shekar Pasumarthi wrote: > > > > > I have couple of lists created and they were and are working fine, but > > > > none > > > > > of the commands (list_lists, rmlist) are working, now. These are > > the few > > > > > errors I am getting. Any help or pointers would be great. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Shekar > > > > > > > > > > cymbal% ./check_db > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > > > File "./check_db", line 31, in ? > > > > > from Mailman import mm_cfg > > > > > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > > > > > > > > cymbal% ./list_members > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > > > File "./list_members", line 59, in ? > > > > > from Mailman import MailList > > > > > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > > > > > > > > cymbal% ./config_list > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > > > File "./config_list", line 71, in ? > > > > > from Mailman import mm_cfg > > > > > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > > > > > > > > cymbal% ./rmlist > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > > > File "./rmlist", line 44, in ? > > > > > from Mailman import mm_cfg > > > > > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 16 01:16:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:16:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 archives not being generated? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050448593.2235.175.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 18:44, Paul Reilly wrote: > OK. Thanks Jon. > > > There is nothing wrong (at lest not so far). It can take 24 hours before > > the first archives are built. > > > Is it run from cron? > Can I force a build? Yes, you can look at the cron and run the command from there. That should get things rocking and rolling right away. Good Luck - Jon From edc at proadmin.com Wed Apr 16 02:51:43 2003 From: edc at proadmin.com (Eric D. Christensen) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:51:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.1 mbox archive doesn't handle lines starting with "From " correctly? Message-ID: <1050454268.27442.187.camel@kicktest.razafoundries.com> I'm seeing problems with the mbox archives after upgrading mailman from 2.0 to 2.1.1. I started to report these as bugs, but then thought that I'd better check in here first just in case I'm missing something silly. Apologies for cross posting to both users and developers lists.... First, a little background... I use both pipermail and mbox format archives for all of our lists. I use the mbox format mainly as a backup so we can regenerate the pipermail archives (via 'arch --wipe list'). Since some of our lists have over 5 years of mailman archives now, having the mbox archives around has save my butt several times. Too bad servers don't last as long as the mailing lists running on them! :-) I'll admit up front that I'm NOT a python programmer.... perl, C, java, PHP, but not python. So I'm only slightly familiar with the syntax and totally clueless beyond that. I'm hoping to NOT have to use this problem as a reason to learn python (though I'd like to someday when I'm not quite so busy). Anyway, here are the two problems I'm seeing with mbox archives: After upgrading mailman from 2.0 to 2.1.1 (and python itself to 2.2.2) I regenerated the pipermail archives from the mbox archives and found that suddenly I had a bunch of messages with "[no subject]", all together starting just about the time I switched the lists over the 2.1.1. Upon further investigation I found two issues that make the mbox file invalid (or at least suspect): 1. No newline before "From " lines in the mbox with 2.1.1. Sine the 2.1.1 update it appears the the mbox archiver is no longer instering a newline before starting a new message. This results in the "From_" line being directly below the last line of the previous message. This confuses the mbox parser something awful.... it also confuses elm, mutt, and mh if I try to read the mbox files with them. I found the code in Mailbox.py (in AppendMessage @ line 46) that gets called from Archiver/Archiver.py to handle inserting the newline if the last thing in the mbox file isn't already a newline before appending the message, but it doesn't seem to be working correctly. Am I missing something or is AppendMessage broken in this respect? 2. Lines beginning with "From " inside of a message body are not handled. If a line inside a message body starts with the string "From ", it is being mis-interpreted as the beginning of a new message (i.e. it's being treated as an envelope "From " line. I'm not quite sure who to fault on this one... I believe that it's common practice to somehow quote this case, in which case it s Generator that's not doing the right thing. I think this is supported by the fact the other mail agents (elm, mutt, etc...) are confused by this unquoted "From " in the message body. It's probably a bit much to ask utilities like arch to try to discern body from envelope on the fly while reading in the mbox file. Any insight, pointers or ideas on these before I report them as bugs? -- Eric D. Christensen Proadmin, Inc. - http://www.proadmin.com From lj at mandala-designs.com Wed Apr 16 04:07:29 2003 From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs ) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:07:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] inability to post to my lists Message-ID: <200304152207.AA20186056@mandala-designs.com> When posting to my lists, on RH 7.2, with python2.2.2 and Mailman 2.1 I am now getting the following error in logs/post: logs/post:Apr 01 07:13:22 2003 (11745) post to mailman from mailman-owner at lists.redwingbooks.com, size=1752, 1 failures In the past I generally had the word "success" in the place where I am now getting "failures". And I am now unable to get my postings posted. Where should I look for help in unraveling this problem? Thanks for any suggestions. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Wed Apr 16 06:23:14 2003 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to change any list setting after the upgrade Message-ID: <20030416042314.GA34022@csua.berkeley.edu> I just upgraded a list server from Mailman 2.0.13 to Mailman 2.1.1 and noticed that I can't change any list settings any more on the web. I am able to login to the administrative interface using either the list admin or site admin password and to navigate around but it seems to me that none of the settings are saved when I click on "Submit your changes". If I change something and click on "submit your changes", on the next page, I see all settings the way they were before changing them. I am also unable to reset the list admin password or to accept/reject/discard any of the pending requests. I am not getting errors on the web page. Posting to the mailing lists seems to work and I think all file permissions are correct. I am using Python 2.1.3 on Solaris. Did anyone else have the same problem? -akop From rpavonar at cisco.com Wed Apr 16 08:06:27 2003 From: rpavonar at cisco.com (Richard M. Pavonarius) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:06:27 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove address with bad ASCII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2-J.20030416150307.050b9228@mailman.cisco.com> I'm having trouble removing from a mailing list a few addresses that contain non-ASCII characters. In the error message I'm receiving from Postfix, the character shows up as a question mark, but it's not really a question mark. I can't remove the address from the web interface because the offending character can't be encoded into a URL (or something like that.) Is there a way I can remove the addresses directly from the Mailman DB, perhaps via Python or one of the scripts in /home/mailman/bin? I'm using version 2.0.13+J3 Example: <******@jc-21.ac.jp?>: bad host/domain syntax: "jc-21.ac.jp?" Thanks, Rich From a.carter at cordis.lu Wed Apr 16 09:12:00 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:12:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto Subscribe? In-Reply-To: <1050434582.2236.56.camel@anncons> References: <1050436829.4904.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> <1050434582.2236.56.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <200304160912.01050.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> I believe you can turn off confirmation from the web admin interface. However, you will have to authorize them...In the options, go to Privacy Options, Subscription rules, Second option, require approval. This means that they only have to wait for you to approve them...A hassle, but it is to stop people registering other peoples mail addresses... Anthony On Tuesday 15 April 2003 21:23, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 16:00, Angel Gabriel wrote: > > Is it possible for someone to send a message to an email address that i > > set up, and have them auto subscribed to a list?? > > Yes. > To: -request at domain.com > Subject: subscribe > > They will get back a confirmation message. > > > Also, is it possible to make all possible changes via email?? > > > > ie can I subscribe or unsubscribe someone via email?? > > Yes. > To: -request at domain.com > Subject: help > > You will get back a list of commands for handling your list account. > > Jon Carnes > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Wed Apr 16 09:47:41 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:47:41 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Here is a problem I am having with mailman. References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030415130857.02529420@www.pcweb.com> Message-ID: <3E9D0A9D.8080501@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, make sure you are working in the install directory (not source dir). Shekar Pasumarthi wrote: > I have couple of lists created and they were and are working fine, but > none of the commands (list_lists, rmlist) are working, now. These are > the few errors I am getting. Any help or pointers would be great. > > Thanks > Shekar > > cymbal% ./check_db > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./check_db", line 31, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > cymbal% ./list_members > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./list_members", line 59, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > cymbal% ./config_list > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./config_list", line 71, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > cymbal% ./rmlist > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./rmlist", line 44, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > ImportError: No module named Mailman > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tkikuchi%40is.kochi-u.ac.jp > > > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From im2x3m4u at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 10:52:36 2003 From: im2x3m4u at yahoo.com (ciptadent cool) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configure mailman for the first time Message-ID: <20030416085236.63422.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> hello mailman user, i've just install mailman in debian 3.0 using deb package. the server using postfix as MTA. I just wondering where should i put link to pipermail, in my apache config Alias /pipermail/ /usr/lib/mailman/archive/ this just testing, but won't work. I create a demo mailing list test calling 'tomato'. should i also create user name tomato? because when i add new member to this list, i confirmed via email to totmato-request at mysub.mydomain.com, the email is returned as undelivered. best regards, badger ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Wed Apr 16 11:31:40 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:31:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 crashing when approving a new member Message-ID: <004f01c303fa$fd2c1da0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Hi, We've setup a list and are getting an error when submiting data to approve a new subscription via the Web GUI. What does that mean ? I have another list that works fine. ----------------------------------------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 222, in ? run_main() File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main print_traceback(logger) File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 119, in print_traceback print >> logfp, '@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in write Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 88, in write msg = unicode(msg, self.__encoding) SystemError: can't resize shared unicode objects ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Apr 8 2003, 19:30:54) [GCC 2.95.3 20010125 (prerelease)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform openbsd3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://listserv.mydomain.com/mailman/admindb/mylist SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.10 OpenSSL/0.9.7-beta3 PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/www/mailman/admindb SERVER_ADMIN postmaster at mydomain.com SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.26 Server at listserv.mydomain.com Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST listserv.mydomain.com PATH_INFO /mylist SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/mylist CONTENT_LENGTH 37 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_COOKIE mylist+admin=28020000006941219d3e7328000000623266323439316361646431323139656 56633386561366635353964373238353432613335666234; adv+admin=280200000069201a9d3e7328000000343032386563323761313265356261613231 33353162366561306430353861383531666566323932 SERVER_NAME listserv.mydomain.com REMOTE_ADDR 81.1.29.250 REMOTE_PORT 4720 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE fr PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/htdocs/mylist SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.3 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/htdocs From gagbey at ghana.com Wed Apr 16 11:16:37 2003 From: gagbey at ghana.com (Agbenya Adotey) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:16:37 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail delivery Message-ID: <008501c303f8$e26d6a20$364003c4@gh.com> Hi All, i have built mailman on solaris 8 box. My exim with mailman config does not complain of any errors. My Apache too is ok. But i can't just see mails being delivered. Any help is greatly appreciated. Agbenya Adotey. From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Wed Apr 16 11:48:18 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:48:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 crashing when approving a new member In-Reply-To: <004f01c303fa$fd2c1da0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <005501c303fd$50048ab0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Ok, I've found that this crash happens only when the list is configured to require "Confirm and approve" for subscriptions. When using only "Require approval" it works. When using "Confirm" is works too. So, what's going on ? Did I miss something ? > We've setup a list and are getting an error when submiting > data to approve a > new subscription via the Web GUI. What does that mean ? I > have another list > that works fine. > > From a.carter at cordis.lu Wed Apr 16 12:50:15 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:50:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriptions via email Message-ID: <200304161250.15293.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Hi, Is there a way I can subscribe an e-mail address to a mailman list from another email address? What I mean is something like: To: mailinglist at mailman.com From: a.b at c.com Subject: Subscribe x.y at z.com Thanks, Anthony Carter From primoz at gabrijelcic.org Wed Apr 16 15:53:17 2003 From: primoz at gabrijelcic.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Primo=BE_Gabrijel=E8i=E8?=) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:53:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnpicklingError Message-ID: <001101c3041f$89c34940$010b110a@angie> My mailman computer died today (faulty CPU cooler) and now one of my mailman lists reports: $ sudo check_db -v forum_prevajalcev Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_db", line 153, in ? main() File "./check_db", line 121, in main mlist = MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local /lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local /lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-postfix/usr/local /lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, 'k'. What should I do to correct the problem? Best regards, Primoz From mike at CamaroSS.net Wed Apr 16 16:24:04 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to change any list setting after the upgrade In-Reply-To: <20030416042314.GA34022@csua.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <003d01c30423$d57be960$a91cbdcf@home.middlefinger.net> Yes...I have the same problem here on a Redhat AS 2.1 I upgraded from 2.0.13 (rpm) to 2.1.1 All of my lists work as far as email goes, but nothing done in the admin interface works. I have 2 admin requests waiting on the server, but when I try to take action on them, nothing happens. Mike -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Akop Pogosian Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:23 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to change any list setting after the upgrade I just upgraded a list server from Mailman 2.0.13 to Mailman 2.1.1 and noticed that I can't change any list settings any more on the web. I am able to login to the administrative interface using either the list admin or site admin password and to navigate around but it seems to me that none of the settings are saved when I click on "Submit your changes". If I change something and click on "submit your changes", on the next page, I see all settings the way they were before changing them. I am also unable to reset the list admin password or to accept/reject/discard any of the pending requests. I am not getting errors on the web page. Posting to the mailing lists seems to work and I think all file permissions are correct. I am using Python 2.1.3 on Solaris. Did anyone else have the same problem? -akop ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From Jeffery.D.Goddard at Dartmouth.EDU Wed Apr 16 16:24:13 2003 From: Jeffery.D.Goddard at Dartmouth.EDU (Jeffery D. Goddard) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:24:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginners question [2 attachments] Message-ID: <3E9D678D.60500@dartmouth.edu> Sorry this is such a simple question - I've read through the docs and the FAQ but can't seem to find a specific instance where my question is addressed. Everything refers me to other documentation and I feel like I'm getting caught in a circle. The root of my problem is that the permissions on the mailman cgi scripts aren't accessible to the web server. Here's the setup. I'm using Mandrake 9.0. I removed the default mailman installation in /var/lib/mailman. I put a second hard drive in that mounts under /usr/local/mailman. I have a user "mail" with a uid of 4 and a gid of 8. Apache had a uid/gid of 72 on my system. I ran ./configure --with-username=4 --with-groupname=mail --with-mail-gid=12 - --with-cgi-gid=72 Everything seems to be installed correctly. /usr/local/mailman is owned by mail. Attached are my httpd.conf and mailman.conf files. Can anyone provide me with some insight as to what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: httpd.conf Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030416/1640d227/attachment.asc -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: mailman.conf Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030416/1640d227/attachment.pot From ibroadfo at cis.strath.ac.uk Wed Apr 16 18:39:52 2003 From: ibroadfo at cis.strath.ac.uk (iain d broadfoot) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:39:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Phantom admin requests? In-Reply-To: <1050435520.2235.65.camel@anncons> References: <20030415063621.GC23142@localhost> <1050412414.2235.16.camel@anncons> <20030415170440.GD23142@localhost> <1050435520.2235.65.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <20030416163951.GB9731@localhost> * Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: > You are getting a notice of waiting messages but when you click on the > link (or go to the admindb page manually) you don't find any messages > waiting to be approved? yes, that was exactly it. interestingly, rather than the page that says 'no requests pending', i got basically the full request page, but without anything to do! there were two 'submit all data' buttons, but that was all. > > Take a look at the request.db file for the list: > ~mailman/lists//request.db > > Make sure the rights on the file are correct. they were rw-rw-r--, i assume that's correct - same for other (working) lists on the same system. > > That file may be corrupted. If so you can simply replace it with > another list's request.db file (just make sure the file is empty before > copying). done, and fixed. :D thanks for your help, and thanks for your patience. someday, i'm sure i'll learn how to ask for help properly (and yes i have read esr's how to ask questions :D). again, thank you Jon. iain (a happy mailman user) -- wh33, y1p33 3tc. "If sharing a thing in no way diminishes it, it is not rightly owned if it is not shared." -St. Augustine From mailings at good-it.com Wed Apr 16 18:54:57 2003 From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:54:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to in multiple domain situation doesn't work. Message-ID: <200304161854.57196.mailings@good-it.com> Hi all, I just replaced majordomo with mailman. Because i host more domains i added the mailingslist name as a explicit Reply-to adress in the general option admin section. The problem is that is doesn't work! In every mail to the mailinglist the other domainname shows up in the Reply-to adress. Any clues how to fix this (besides migrating back to majordomo..:-) -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds, Good-IT! BV Strijplaan 320 2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) Email j.barelds at good-it.com Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From lwarden at illinois.net Wed Apr 16 19:11:54 2003 From: lwarden at illinois.net (les) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:11:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions on pending_subscription.db Message-ID: <1050511446.22403.16.camel@geodude.illinois.net> Looking for help on probable permissions issue. First the stats: RedHat 8.0; Kernel 2.4.18-27.8.0smp; version mailman-2.0.13-3 installed from RedHat rpm file. Problem is whenever anyone tries to subscribe to a public list, the get a *Sorry, I hit a bug* error. I have changed the permissions on /var/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db to root.mailman, mailman.mailman, apache.mailman, etc. It appears I can make some headway alternating between mailman.mailman and apache.mailman. I thought about placing mailman and apache in an alternate group and apply the group permissions such that they could both modify the file if required. Any suggestions?? If someone suggests *install from source*, please also suggest how to go from my current install (RPM) to a source install without losing anything. Thanks in advance. Below is a snippet of /var/log/mailman/error.... Apr 16 09:05:52 2003 admin(1926): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(1926): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----] admin(1926): [----- Traceback ------] admin(1926): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(1926): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 95, in run_main admin(1926): main() admin(1926): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 76, in main admin(1926): process_form(mlist, doc) admin(1926): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 187, in process_form admin(1926): mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote) admin(1926): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 985, in AddMember admin(1926): cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest) admin(1926): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 74, in new admin(1926): self.__save(db) admin(1926): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 111, in __save admin(1926): fp = open(self.db_path, "w") admin(1926): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db' admin(1926): [----- Python Information -----] admin(1926): sys.version = 2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30) [GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)] admin(1926): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(1926): sys.prefix = /usr admin(1926): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(1926): sys.path = /usr admin(1926): sys.platform = linux2 admin(1926): [----- Environment Variables -----] admin(1926): CONTENT_LENGTH: 82 admin(1926): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(1926): HTTP_REFERER: http://list1.illinois.net/mailman/listinfo/msa1 admin(1926): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe admin(1926): PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman admin(1926): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache admin(1926): SERVER_ADMIN: postmaster at illinois.net admin(1926): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe admin(1926): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/2.0.40 Server at list1.illinois.net Port 80
admin(1926): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(1926): HTTP_HOST: list1.illinois.net admin(1926): PATH_INFO: /msa1 admin(1926): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(1926): QUERY_STRING: admin(1926): HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache admin(1926): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/msa1 admin(1926): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* admin(1926): PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/msa1 admin(1926): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; T312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) admin(1926): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin(1926): SERVER_NAME: list1.illinois.net admin(1926): REMOTE_ADDR: 216.125.6.249 admin(1926): REMOTE_PORT: 62219 admin(1926): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us admin(1926): UNIQUE_ID: C7lj3c6mYF8AACX4HcUAAAAE admin(1926): SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(1926): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(1926): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate admin(1926): SERVER_ADDR: 206.166.96.95 admin(1926): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html [root at ra mailman]# -- les From mailings at good-it.com Wed Apr 16 19:14:04 2003 From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:14:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple way to change one setting on multiple lists Message-ID: <200304161914.04685.mailings@good-it.com> Hi all, I have to change one setting for a lot of lists. Because i am a lazy system administrator i prefer not to do it with the webinterface for every list. Is there a way to do it with a script or something? (i use version 2.0.13) -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds, Good-IT! BV Strijplaan 320 2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) Email j.barelds at good-it.com Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From mike at CamaroSS.net Wed Apr 16 19:14:03 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:14:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to change any list setting after theupgrade In-Reply-To: <003d01c30423$d57be960$a91cbdcf@home.middlefinger.net> Message-ID: <000001c3043b$943af820$a91cbdcf@home.middlefinger.net> Well, after lots of digging around the upgraded system, I was unable to figure out why my web interface to my lists wasn't working. Changes in neither mm_cfg.py nor Defaults.py were being picked up. My resolution ended up being to delete all of my lists and recreate them all. I left the archives in place and they are working fine. I'd love to know how to avoid this in the future though! Mike -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Mike Kercher Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:24 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] unable to change any list setting after theupgrade Yes...I have the same problem here on a Redhat AS 2.1 I upgraded from 2.0.13 (rpm) to 2.1.1 All of my lists work as far as email goes, but nothing done in the admin interface works. I have 2 admin requests waiting on the server, but when I try to take action on them, nothing happens. Mike -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Akop Pogosian Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:23 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to change any list setting after the upgrade I just upgraded a list server from Mailman 2.0.13 to Mailman 2.1.1 and noticed that I can't change any list settings any more on the web. I am able to login to the administrative interface using either the list admin or site admin password and to navigate around but it seems to me that none of the settings are saved when I click on "Submit your changes". If I change something and click on "submit your changes", on the next page, I see all settings the way they were before changing them. I am also unable to reset the list admin password or to accept/reject/discard any of the pending requests. I am not getting errors on the web page. Posting to the mailing lists seems to work and I think all file permissions are correct. I am using Python 2.1.3 on Solaris. Did anyone else have the same problem? -akop ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 16 19:09:42 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:09:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beginners question [2 attachments] In-Reply-To: <3E9D678D.60500@dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416180440.0519a3c8@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> In you httpd.conf I think that these lines: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/ should read: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin At 15:24 16/04/2003, Jeffery D. Goddard wrote: >Sorry this is such a simple question - I've read through the docs and the >FAQ but can't seem to find a specific instance where my question is >addressed. Everything refers me to other documentation and I feel like I'm >getting caught in a circle. The root of my problem is that the permissions >on the mailman cgi scripts aren't accessible to the web server. Here's the >setup. I'm using Mandrake 9.0. I removed the default mailman installation >in /var/lib/mailman. I put a second hard drive in that mounts under >/usr/local/mailman. I have a user "mail" with a uid of 4 and a gid of 8. >Apache had a uid/gid of 72 on my system. I ran The --with-cgi-gid must match the gid set by the Group directive in httpd.conf. >./configure --with-username=4 --with-groupname=mail --with-mail-gid=12 >- --with-cgi-gid=72 > >Everything seems to be installed correctly. /usr/local/mailman is owned by >mail. Attached are my httpd.conf and mailman.conf files. Can anyone >provide me with some insight as to what I'm doing wrong? > >Thanks in advance, > >Jeff > > ># >StartServers 4 > ># ># Limit on total number of servers running, i.e., limit on the number ># of clients who can simultaneously connect --- if this limit is ever ># reached, clients will be LOCKED OUT, so it should NOT BE SET TOO LOW. ># It is intended mainly as a brake to keep a runaway server from taking ># the system with it as it spirals down... ># >MaxClients 150 > ># ># MaxRequestsPerChild: the number of requests each child process is ># allowed to process before the child dies. The child will exit so ># as to avoid problems after prolonged use when Apache (and maybe the ># libraries it uses) leak memory or other resources. On most systems, this ># isn't really needed, but a few (such as Solaris) do have notable leaks ># in the libraries. For these platforms, set to something like 10000 ># or so; a setting of 0 means unlimited. ># ># NOTE: This value does not include keepalive requests after the initial ># request per connection. For example, if a child process handles ># an initial request and 10 subsequent "keptalive" requests, it ># would only count as 1 request towards this limit. ># >MaxRequestsPerChild 500 > >Include conf/addon-modules/php.conf >Include conf/ssl/mod_ssl.conf >Include conf/ssl/ssl.default-vhost.conf >Include conf/mailman.conf ># ># Configure Mailman's CGI scripts ># >ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/ > > Options -Indexes -FollowSymLinks -Includes ExecCgi > AllowOverride None > order allow,deny > allow from all > > ># ># Configure the public archives ># >Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ > > Options -Indexes FollowSymlinks -Includes > AllowOverride None > order allow,deny > allow from all > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 16 19:26:22 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:26:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple way to change one setting on multiple lists In-Reply-To: <200304161914.04685.mailings@good-it.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416182447.03a61c30@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 18:14 16/04/2003, mailings at good-it.com wrote: >Hi all, > >I have to change one setting for a lot of lists. >Because i am a lazy system administrator i prefer not to do it with the >webinterface for every list. >Is there a way to do it with a script or something? (i use version 2.0.13) As you have command line access then $prefix/bin/withlist is your friend for this sort of thing. For instance, if the contents of the short withlist script file $prefix/bin/fix_remind.py is as follows: >>>>>> snip-------------------------- def fix_remind(mlist): mlist.send_reminders = 0 mlist.Save() <<<<<< snip-------------------------- then executing the following command line from inside your $prefix directory: ls -1 lists | xargs -n 1 bin/withlist -l -r fix_remind will turn off "send password reminders" for all of your lists. >-- >Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, > >Johan Barelds, >Good-IT! BV >Strijplaan 320 >2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) >Email j.barelds at good-it.com >Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 >Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 >Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From Jeffery.D.Goddard at Dartmouth.EDU Wed Apr 16 19:29:55 2003 From: Jeffery.D.Goddard at Dartmouth.EDU (Jeffery D. Goddard) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:29:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another easy question Message-ID: <3E9D9313.6030609@dartmouth.edu> Sorry to keep asking the simple stuff but here goes. I've got the software set up now and I can create new lists via a web interface. The problem is that no one who is subscribing is getting mail back. Once again, I've downloaded and compiled mailman. I looked at the /etc/aliases file and it looks correct. The /var/log/mail/errors file shows Apr 16 09:15:01 host-name postfix/sendmail[9574]: fatal: no login name found for user ID 502. The first time I installed mailman (several attempts ago) with the users mailman which had a UID of 502. I have sice removed those directories and configuration files (as far as I know) but obviously there's still something there I missed. I want the UID to be 4 (user mail). Can anyone tell me what file I need to edit? I'm using Mandrake 9.0 as my host. Thanks in advance, Jeff From primoz at gabrijelcic.org Wed Apr 16 19:35:23 2003 From: primoz at gabrijelcic.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Primo=BE_Gabrijel=E8i=E8?=) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:35:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnpicklingError In-Reply-To: <001101c3041f$89c34940$010b110a@angie> Message-ID: <003b01c3043e$8fa4c6d0$010b110a@angie> Solved - I believe. I copied config.pck.last over config.pck and the errors stopped. I hope this was the correct approach. Primoz > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-bounces+primoz=gabrijelcic.org at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+primoz=gabrijelcic.org at python.or > g] On Behalf Of Primo? Gabrijel?i? > Sent: 16. april 2003 15:53 > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnpicklingError > > > My mailman computer died today (faulty CPU cooler) and now > one of my mailman > lists reports: > > $ sudo check_db -v forum_prevajalcev > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./check_db", line 153, in ? > main() > File "./check_db", line 121, in main > mlist = MailList(listname, lock=0) > File > "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-pos > tfix/usr/local > /lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__ > self.Load() > File > "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-pos > tfix/usr/local > /lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 573, in Load > dict, e = self.__load(file) > File > "/usr/ports/mail/mailman/w-mailman-2.1.1-postfix/fake-i386-pos > tfix/usr/local > /lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 546, in __load > dict = loadfunc(fp) > cPickle.UnpicklingError: invalid load key, 'k'. > > What should I do to correct the problem? > > Best regards, > Primoz From mclark at cdtmail.org Wed Apr 16 20:21:51 2003 From: mclark at cdtmail.org (Michael Clark) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:21:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain web address Message-ID: I'm running with Mailman 2.1.1, sendmail 8.11, apache 1.33, and lists are working fine. I set up a new list to be managed on one of the site's virtual domains. Email to the list is being distributed fine, but URLs mentioned in the web interface and the welcome message are referring people to the primary domain. How do I set the list to be entirely hosted on the virtual domain? Michael -- Michael Clark, Webmaster Center for Democracy and Technology 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 voice: 202-637-9800 http://www.cdt.org/ Join our Activist Network! Your participation can make a difference! http://www.cdt.org/join/ From knunn at national.anglican.ca Wed Apr 16 21:46:31 2003 From: knunn at national.anglican.ca (Keith Nunn) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:46:31 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with withlist and changepw.py Message-ID: <1050522983.5051.37.camel@lydia.national.anglican.ca> I'm using the changepw.py example from the withliost man page: from Mailman.Errors import NotAMember def changepw(mlist, addr, newpasswd): try: mlist.setMemberPassword(addr, newpasswd) mlist.Save() except NotAMember: print 'No address matched:', addr partly as an exercise and partly so I can figure out a good way to integrate Mailman with my canoeing club software. However, after following (I think) the instructions about using withlist and the above bit of code: bin/withlist -l -r changepw vvcc kapn at kapn.net passwd (executed in the mailman directory) I get the following error: Importing changepw... Traceback (most recent call last): File "./bin/withlist", line 275, in ? main() File "./bin/withlist", line 247, in main mod = __import__(module) File "./bin/changepw.py", line 1, in ? from Mailman.Errors import NotAMember ImportError: cannot import name NotAMember It looks like the sort of error easily solved by someone with a clue about Python, but not having much of a clue I'm a bit lost. Why is the NotAMember method (or object, or whatever it is) not being loaded? What do I need to do to get it coming in? Any help would be appreciated kapn -- Keith Nunn, Webmanager, Anglican Church of Canada knunn at national.anglican.ca * 416-924-9199 x340 www.anglican.ca * www.anglicanjournal.com From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 16 22:16:08 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:16:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with withlist and changepw.py In-Reply-To: <1050522983.5051.37.camel@lydia.national.anglican.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416211336.03f38008@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 20:56 16/04/2003, Keith Nunn wrote: >I'm using the changepw.py example from the withliost man page: Use 'NotAMemberError' instead of 'NotAMember' in the text of the script >from Mailman.Errors import NotAMember > >def changepw(mlist, addr, newpasswd): > try: > mlist.setMemberPassword(addr, newpasswd) > mlist.Save() > except NotAMember: > print 'No address matched:', addr > >partly as an exercise and partly so I can figure out a good way to >integrate Mailman with my canoeing club software. However, after >following (I think) the instructions about using withlist and the above >bit of code: > >bin/withlist -l -r changepw vvcc kapn at kapn.net passwd >(executed in the mailman directory) > >I get the following error: > >Importing changepw... >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./bin/withlist", line 275, in ? > main() > File "./bin/withlist", line 247, in main > mod = __import__(module) > File "./bin/changepw.py", line 1, in ? > from Mailman.Errors import NotAMember >ImportError: cannot import name NotAMember > >It looks like the sort of error easily solved by someone with a clue >about Python, but not having much of a clue I'm a bit lost. Why is the >NotAMember method (or object, or whatever it is) not being loaded? What >do I need to do to get it coming in? Any help would be appreciated > >kapn >-- >Keith Nunn, Webmanager, Anglican Church of Canada >knunn at national.anglican.ca * 416-924-9199 x340 >www.anglican.ca * www.anglicanjournal.com > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 16 22:22:01 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:22:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain web address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416211811.03f30778@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 19:21 16/04/2003, Michael Clark wrote: >I'm running with Mailman 2.1.1, sendmail 8.11, apache 1.33, and lists are >working fine. I set up a new list to be managed on one of the site's >virtual domains. Email to the list is being distributed fine, but URLs >mentioned in the web interface and the welcome message are referring >people to the primary domain. How do I set the list to be entirely hosted >on the virtual domain? Michael > Using the withlist script $prefix/bin/fix_url with the --urlhost option might do it. >-- >Michael Clark, Webmaster >Center for Democracy and Technology >1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 >Washington, DC 20006 >voice: 202-637-9800 >http://www.cdt.org/ > >Join our Activist Network! Your participation can make a difference! >http://www.cdt.org/join/ From landruler at operamail.com Wed Apr 16 22:25:52 2003 From: landruler at operamail.com (Jim Beach) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:25:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost email Message-ID: <20030416202552.16826.qmail@operamail.com> I sent an email to my list about four hours ago and it has disappeared. It appears in my "sent" folder, but no one on the list has received it. I've since sent two test messages. One from the same location and another from a different location. Both were received by the group within seconds. Is there a place to go look for lost messages? -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 16 23:06:21 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:06:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost email In-Reply-To: <20030416202552.16826.qmail@operamail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416214305.03f088a0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 21:25 16/04/2003, Jim Beach wrote: >I sent an email to my list about four hours ago and it has disappeared. It >appears in my "sent" folder, but no one on the list has received it. > >I've since sent two test messages. One from the same location and another >from a different location. Both were received by the group within seconds. > >Is there a place to go look for lost messages? > You could try looking in the mailman logs in $prefix/logs to see what is happening: post, smtp and error logs come to mind. Try and combine this information with the log being generated by the MTA on your MM server; often /var/log/mail on Linux systems, although you may need to su to root to get read access. With a sendmail MTA you should typically be able to see, in the MTA log, a 'from' line for your incoming post closely followed by a 'to' line as that is delivered to MM. If the message is handled successfully you should be able to match the time in the MTA log with a post and smtp logs showing the mail being posted successfully to the list and then sent out to subscribers. Then you should be able to match the smtp log entry(ies) with from and to entryies in the MTA log as the mail goes out to subscribers. If you cannot see you missing mail arriving on the sendmail machine then the problem lies elsewhere in the route between your MUA and the MM machine. If you see the message arriving but not going out then check the MM error log. Also check that you have not set up your list to discard posts in circumstances that matched the mail you sent the list. > >-- >____________________________________________ >http://www.operamail.com >Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year > > >Powered by Outblaze From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org Thu Apr 17 01:29:31 2003 From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:29:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E3A4@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> I have a quick question for anyone who knows... We are going live to the public with our Mailman server. It is a RedHat 8.0 server with Mailman 2.0.13 running on top of the latest Sendmail MTA. I am trying to ensure the server is as locked down as possible. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how secure the password protected area for the administrative interface really is? Is there a "hack" or "back door" I should know about and protect against? Is the Mailman application security here as good as the Operating System's Security? Any info would help. Thanks, Staven From mike at miis.edu Thu Apr 17 01:47:30 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up, need some help Message-ID: I just installed Postfix and Mailman along with RedHat 9.0. I'm pretty sure I have the postfix working fine. There are no docs that were installed when I installed MailMan from the RedHat installer, but I think I found just about everything I needed online. I created my first test list. I actually created a couple of tests. The first was from the command line. It asked for the list name, admin name ( I used mine) and it spit out a list to add to the aliases. I put that list into my /etc/postfix/aliases file. It then asked if I wanted a notification sent. I said yes, but never got it. I then created a list from the web interface. I chose another test name, put in my e-mail address, and a few other options. It never generated a list of aliases, so I assumed it added it for me, but when I went to th e /etc/postfix/aliases those additions weren't there. I also did not get a confirmation e-mail from this list. Can anyone steer me in the right direction? I've got no errors in the /var/log/mailman/error file, i do see a pending notice in the subscribe log file for the list i did through the web interface. If I create a list from /bin/newlist and just goto the /mailman/private/newlist/ I get a login screen, but I get a Page cannont be displayed when I try to log in. If I create a list from the web /mailmain/create , and then try to log into /mailman/private/newlist2, I get Authorization failed. Through out all this I only have the one entry in the /var/log/mailman/subscribe log. Any help would be appreciated. Mike From macnut at macnuthome.com Thu Apr 17 01:49:06 2003 From: macnut at macnuthome.com (Victor Daniel a.k.a the MacNut) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery problems to List Addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've installed Mailman 2.1.1 on a Debian 3.0 system, with Exim 3.35 as the MTA. But I can't get Exim to recognize any of the list addresses. Whenever I try to confirm a subscription via email, or send a message to a list, I get an error like this: ====================================== This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: test-request at macnuthome.com unknown local-part "test-request" in domain "macnuthome.com" And below that is a copy of the message with all headers. ===================================== I've installed the appropriate transports and directors in the exim.conf file, following the directions on the Exim HOWTO page, and restarted Exim afterwards. But it seems no list-related mail gets through. I've checked the FAQs and the list archives, and can't find this particular error addressed. What have I missed? What should I check? What haven't I changed or shouldn't have changed? Please help. The MacNut http://www.macnuthome.com -- From barry at python.org Thu Apr 17 05:49:48 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:49:48 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Security In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E3A4@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E3A4@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Message-ID: <1050551359.26379.31.camel@anthem> On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 19:29, Staven Bruce wrote: > I have a quick question for anyone who knows... > > We are going live to the public with our Mailman server. It is a RedHat 8.0 > server with Mailman 2.0.13 running on top of the latest Sendmail MTA. > > I am trying to ensure the server is as locked down as possible. I was > wondering if anyone could tell me how secure the password protected area for > the administrative interface really is? Is there a "hack" or "back door" I > should know about and protect against? Is the Mailman application security > here as good as the Operating System's Security? Any info would help. List owner and site admin passwords are kept on disk in hashed format, so they cannot be read, even by someone with appropriate shell access. Of course, if they have shell access and permission, they can still /change/ such passwords. Member passwords are kept in the database in the clear, in order to support password reminders. I can guarantee that there are no known backdoors, at least in the source distribution that I make available. Mailman should be as secure as your communication channels. Note that by default passwords can fly over both http and email in the clear. -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Apr 17 05:52:01 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:52:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with withlist and changepw.py In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416211336.03f38008@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416211336.03f38008@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1050551498.26382.34.camel@anthem> On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 16:16, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 20:56 16/04/2003, Keith Nunn wrote: > >I'm using the changepw.py example from the withliost man page: > > Use 'NotAMemberError' instead of 'NotAMember' in the text of the script Yep. I'll fix that typo in withlist. -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Apr 17 05:58:55 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:58:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permissions on pending_subscription.db In-Reply-To: <1050511446.22403.16.camel@geodude.illinois.net> References: <1050511446.22403.16.camel@geodude.illinois.net> Message-ID: <1050551909.26382.40.camel@anthem> On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 12:44, les wrote: > I have changed the > permissions on /var/mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db to > root.mailman, mailman.mailman, apache.mailman, etc. I'm betting bin/check_perms will fix this problem up. > If someone suggests *install from source*, please also suggest how to go > from my current install (RPM) to a source install without losing > anything. Thanks in advance. It should be easy to do. Install from source to a new location, test that system and make sure it works. Then move your lists from the rpm install to the from-source install one at a time. I believe there are instructions in the faq for moving lists -- or perhaps you can use the instructions for upgrading lists one at a time. The procedure is essentially the same. In summary: - move lists/yourlist - move archives/private/yourlist - move archives/private/yourlist.mbox I may be missing a step for 2.0.13 -- it's been a while. ;) -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Apr 17 06:00:06 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:00:06 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] UnpicklingError In-Reply-To: <003b01c3043e$8fa4c6d0$010b110a@angie> References: <003b01c3043e$8fa4c6d0$010b110a@angie> Message-ID: <1050551985.26379.42.camel@anthem> On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 13:35, Primo? Gabrijel?i? wrote: > Solved - I believe. > > I copied config.pck.last over config.pck and the errors stopped. I hope this > was the correct approach. Yep, that's exactly what config.pck.last is for! -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Apr 17 06:05:20 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:05:20 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 crashing when approving a new member In-Reply-To: <004f01c303fa$fd2c1da0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> References: <004f01c303fa$fd2c1da0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <1050552269.26382.47.camel@anthem> On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 05:31, Sylvain Langlade wrote: > Hi, > > > We've setup a list and are getting an error when submiting data to approve a > new subscription via the Web GUI. What does that mean ? I have another list > that works fine. > > ----------------------------------------- > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > > Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 222, in ? > run_main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > print_traceback(logger) > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 119, in print_traceback > print >> logfp, '@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 73, in > write > Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 88, in write > msg = unicode(msg, self.__encoding) > SystemError: can't resize shared unicode objects Whoa. That has to be a Python bug I think. You should never be able to provoke a SystemError, expecially from a built-in. Are you running your list in French or some other language? It would be really helpful to know what 'msg' and 'self.__encoding' is here. Try adding something like the following right before the failing line: fp = open('/tmp/bug.txt') print >> fp, repr(msg) print >> fp, self.__encoding fp.close() Then mail us the contents of /tmp/bug.txt -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Apr 17 06:07:17 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:07:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove address with bad ASCII In-Reply-To: <4.3.2-J.20030416150307.050b9228@mailman.cisco.com> References: <4.3.2-J.20030416150307.050b9228@mailman.cisco.com> Message-ID: <1050552413.26379.50.camel@anthem> On Wed, 2003-04-16 at 02:06, Richard M. Pavonarius wrote: > I'm having trouble removing from a mailing list a few addresses that > contain non-ASCII characters. In the error message I'm receiving from > Postfix, the character shows up as a question mark, but it's not really a > question mark. I can't remove the address from the web interface because > the offending character can't be encoded into a URL (or something like that.) > > Is there a way I can remove the addresses directly from the Mailman DB, > perhaps via Python or one of the scripts in /home/mailman/bin? > > I'm using version 2.0.13+J3 > > Example: > > <******@jc-21.ac.jp?>: bad host/domain syntax: "jc-21.ac.jp?" A while back, I posted a recipe that used a regular expression and find_members to locate offending email addresses. Barring that, I'd say manual surgery via bin/withlist will be the answer. -Barry From lj at mandala-designs.com Thu Apr 17 06:15:12 2003 From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs ) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:15:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] flow chart for Mailman Message-ID: <200304170015.AA30868476@mandala-designs.com> Folks -- Does anyone have a jpg or gif documenting the flow of messages into or out of a Mailman system? Or is it possible to document what happens from a message getting submitted (for instance to a moderated list) and then showing up in the logs/post file and the data directory. And then what happens as it is approved and then mailed? It seems this would be a great way for people to investigate their problems and manage much of their own problem resolution. Alternatively can anyone tell me how a moderated list's messages get approved and which files are the source of this approval confiramtion? Is it safe to assume that after a posting shows up int hte logs/post file and gets approved from the list owner or manager, that it will get entered in logs/vette? It would be great to know the sequence and flow of these procedures. Thanks. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com From barry at python.org Thu Apr 17 06:18:33 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:18:33 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.1 mbox archive doesn't handle lines starting with "From " correctly? In-Reply-To: <1050454268.27442.187.camel@kicktest.razafoundries.com> References: <1050454268.27442.187.camel@kicktest.razafoundries.com> Message-ID: <1050553087.26382.53.camel@anthem> On Tue, 2003-04-15 at 20:51, Eric D. Christensen wrote: > I'm seeing problems with the mbox archives after upgrading mailman from > 2.0 to 2.1.1. I started to report these as bugs, but then thought that > I'd better check in here first just in case I'm missing something silly. > Apologies for cross posting to both users and developers lists.... > > First, a little background... > > I use both pipermail and mbox format archives for all of our lists. I > use the mbox format mainly as a backup so we can regenerate the > pipermail archives (via 'arch --wipe list'). Since some of our lists > have over 5 years of mailman archives now, having the mbox archives > around has save my butt several times. Too bad servers don't last as > long as the mailing lists running on them! :-) > > I'll admit up front that I'm NOT a python programmer.... perl, C, java, > PHP, but not python. So I'm only slightly familiar with the syntax and > totally clueless beyond that. I'm hoping to NOT have to use this problem > as a reason to learn python (though I'd like to someday when I'm not > quite so busy). > > Anyway, here are the two problems I'm seeing with mbox archives: > > After upgrading mailman from 2.0 to 2.1.1 (and python itself to 2.2.2) I > regenerated the pipermail archives from the mbox archives and found that > suddenly I had a bunch of messages with "[no subject]", all together > starting just about the time I switched the lists over the 2.1.1. Upon > further investigation I found two issues that make the mbox file invalid > (or at least suspect): > > 1. No newline before "From " lines in the mbox with 2.1.1. > Sine the 2.1.1 update it appears the the mbox archiver is no > longer instering a newline before starting a new message. This > results in the "From_" line being directly below the last line > of the previous message. This confuses the mbox parser something > awful.... it also confuses elm, mutt, and mh if I try to read > the mbox files with them. > > I found the code in Mailbox.py (in AppendMessage @ line 46) that > gets called from Archiver/Archiver.py to handle inserting the > newline if the last thing in the mbox file isn't already a > newline before appending the message, but it doesn't seem to be > working correctly. > > Am I missing something or is AppendMessage broken in this > respect? > > 2. Lines beginning with "From " inside of a message body are not > handled. > If a line inside a message body starts with the string "From ", > it is being mis-interpreted as the beginning of a new message > (i.e. it's being treated as an envelope "From " line. > > I'm not quite sure who to fault on this one... I believe that > it's common practice to somehow quote this case, in which case > it s Generator that's not doing the right thing. I think this is > supported by the fact the other mail agents (elm, mutt, etc...) > are confused by this unquoted "From " in the message body. It's > probably a bit much to ask utilities like arch to try to discern > body from envelope on the fly while reading in the mbox file. > > Any insight, pointers or ideas on these before I report them as bugs? These are genuine bugs. Please submit a bug report on them. Thanks, -Barry From barry at python.org Thu Apr 17 06:34:44 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:34:44 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.1 mbox archive doesn't handle lines starting with "From " correctly? In-Reply-To: <1050553087.26382.53.camel@anthem> References: <1050454268.27442.187.camel@kicktest.razafoundries.com> <1050553087.26382.53.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <1050554063.26379.55.camel@anthem> On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 00:18, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > Any insight, pointers or ideas on these before I report them as bugs? > > These are genuine bugs. Please submit a bug report on them. Actually, don't. I'm about to check in two fixes. -Barry From mailings at good-it.com Thu Apr 17 07:39:24 2003 From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:39:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain web address In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416211811.03f30778@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416211811.03f30778@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <200304170739.24478.mailings@good-it.com> Where can you find such scripts? I can't find them on my server and also not in the documentation (besides the withlist utility)? Grz. Johan Op woensdag 16 april 2003 22:22, schreef Richard Barrett: > At 19:21 16/04/2003, Michael Clark wrote: > >I'm running with Mailman 2.1.1, sendmail 8.11, apache 1.33, and lists are > >working fine. I set up a new list to be managed on one of the site's > >virtual domains. Email to the list is being distributed fine, but URLs > >mentioned in the web interface and the welcome message are referring > >people to the primary domain. How do I set the list to be entirely hosted > >on the virtual domain? Michael > > Using the withlist script $prefix/bin/fix_url with the --urlhost option > might do it. > > >-- > >Michael Clark, Webmaster > >Center for Democracy and Technology > >1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 > >Washington, DC 20006 > >voice: 202-637-9800 > >http://www.cdt.org/ > > > >Join our Activist Network! Your participation can make a difference! > >http://www.cdt.org/join/ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: mailings at good-it.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mailings%40good-it.com -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds, Good-IT! BV Strijplaan 320 2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) Email j.barelds at good-it.com Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 17 10:02:28 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:02:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain web address In-Reply-To: <200304170739.24478.mailings@good-it.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030416211811.03f30778@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030416211811.03f30778@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030417083704.03c19ff0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 06:39 17/04/2003, mailings at good-it.com wrote: >Where can you find such scripts? >I can't find them on my server and also not in the documentation (besides the >withlist utility)? As far as I know, the only documentation is what you get from running $prefix/bin/withlist with the --help option. The standard MM 2.1.1 source distribution does include a withlist script in a file called fix_url.py which is installed in $prefix/bin if you install MM from the source. Run fix_url.py from the command line and it will print its usage instructions (or just look at the script's text) You write such scripts yourself to meet your local needs, They are usually quite short; just a few lines. You do need to learn a little Python but if you've done any programming that shouldn't be too much of a problem. For instance I "wrote" a 3 line script to stop password reminders going out for several hundred lists one our MM server, If the contents of the short withlist script file $prefix/bin/fix_remind.py is as follows: >>>>>> snip-------------------------- def fix_remind(mlist): mlist.send_reminders = 0 mlist.Save() <<<<<< snip-------------------------- then executing the following command line from inside your $prefix directory: ls -1 lists | xargs -n 1 bin/withlist -l -r fix_remind will turn off "send password reminders" for all of your lists. >Grz. Johan > >Op woensdag 16 april 2003 22:22, schreef Richard Barrett: > > At 19:21 16/04/2003, Michael Clark wrote: > > >I'm running with Mailman 2.1.1, sendmail 8.11, apache 1.33, and lists are > > >working fine. I set up a new list to be managed on one of the site's > > >virtual domains. Email to the list is being distributed fine, but URLs > > >mentioned in the web interface and the welcome message are referring > > >people to the primary domain. How do I set the list to be entirely hosted > > >on the virtual domain? Michael > > > > Using the withlist script $prefix/bin/fix_url with the --urlhost option > > might do it. > > > > >-- > > >Michael Clark, Webmaster > > >Center for Democracy and Technology > > >1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 > > >Washington, DC 20006 > > >voice: 202-637-9800 > > >http://www.cdt.org/ > > > > > >Join our Activist Network! Your participation can make a difference! > > >http://www.cdt.org/join/ > > > >-- >Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, > >Johan Barelds, >Good-IT! BV >Strijplaan 320 >2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) >Email j.barelds at good-it.com >Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 >Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 >Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Thu Apr 17 10:35:42 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:35:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 crashing when approving a newmember In-Reply-To: <1050552269.26382.47.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <00c301c304bc$560b74e0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> > Are you running your list in French or some other language? Yes, there are french custom messages (in the description, info, welcome_msg, goodbye_msg fields) but with no accentuation and other strange french things. In fact there were some problems with apostroph (') characters because there were copied directly from MS Word and were non-standard. But they simply appeared as &#xxxx; codes in the text. I then removed every accentuation and bizar chars. > It would be > really helpful to know what 'msg' and 'self.__encoding' is here. Try > adding something like the following right before the failing line: > > fp = open('/tmp/bug.txt') > print >> fp, repr(msg) > print >> fp, self.__encoding > fp.close() > > Then mail us the contents of /tmp/bug.txt > > -Barry Ouch! Me nicht comprendo Python. I did add this block (searching some block delimiters... :-) But the bug.txt file remains empty! I'm sure that my modified version is running because Python barfed when I didn't respect indentations. So I added some strings all around : still getting no output and an empty non-modified file. The exact code block follows : def write(self, msg): if isinstance(msg, StringType): fp = open('/tmp/bug-mailman.txt') print >> fp, '===============' print >> fp, repr(msg) print >> fp, '---' print >> fp, self.__encoding print >> fp, '^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^' fp.close() msg = unicode(msg, self.__encoding) f = self.__get_f() try: f.write(msg) except IOError, msg: _logexc(self, msg) What's weird is that if I remove the /tmp/bug-mailman.txt file, I get an Internal server error on my browser and a nice IOError "No such file or directory" on the console, proving it does try and access the file. If I re-create the file, I go back to my standard "We've hit a bug" webpage and nothing at all in the file. Any idea ? Ps : Damn, I really wish I had some Python background... From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Thu Apr 17 12:33:57 2003 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:33:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to change any list setting after the upgrade In-Reply-To: <003d01c30423$d57be960$a91cbdcf@home.middlefinger.net> References: <20030416042314.GA34022@csua.berkeley.edu> <003d01c30423$d57be960$a91cbdcf@home.middlefinger.net> Message-ID: <20030417103357.GA31840@csua.berkeley.edu> On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 09:24:04AM -0500, Mike Kercher wrote: > Yes...I have the same problem here on a Redhat AS 2.1 I upgraded from 2.0.13 > (rpm) to 2.1.1 All of my lists work as far as email goes, but nothing done in > the admin interface works. I have 2 admin requests waiting on the server, but > when I try to take action on them, nothing happens. > > Mike > I solved this particular problem but it probably want the same problem you were having. It turns out that Mailman guessed incorrectly the web server host name (DEFAULT_URL_HOST) and our web server is also configured to redirect all requests for non-default web server host name to the default host name. This broke all CGI scripts that use POST method for passing variables. This one was easy to fix once I figured out what it was. -akop From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Thu Apr 17 14:49:52 2003 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 05:49:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some problems after 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 upgrade Message-ID: <20030417124951.GA38560@csua.berkeley.edu> I have found two esoteric problems after the Mailman upgrade on one mail server that runs Solaris 2.6/Sendmail 8.12.9/Python 2.1.3. First problem: I have created a mailing list called "testlist" but I am having problems subscribing myself to it. After a receiving and replying to a message that says that I have attempted to subscribe myself using the web based subscribe form, I get a message that -again- asks me for confirmation (now claiming that the original request came from my email address rather than the IP address reported to the web form) and this continues forever. e.g. If I reply to this message, I get another message asking me to confirm this subscription. The funny thing is that if a create a mailing list with some other name, it works just fine. If I try to subscribe and unsubscribe myself from one of the lists that existed before the Mailman upgrade, everything works fine too. It's just this "testlist" that's driving me crazy. I have even tried to delete this list and then recreate it but I still have been unable to subscribe myself to it. The subscription fails regardless of which of my two email addresses I use to subscribe myself or the web browser issues. To rule out the possibility that it could do something with Mozilla cookies, I have tried using my netscape 4 which shouldn't have any cookies saved in it). Has anyone else seen this problem? Second problem: The Background. Our web server has several names in DNS, including somehost.domain.edu and www.somehost.domain.edu. This web server has been recently configured to redirect all requests to www.somehost.domain.edu to somehost.domain.edu using apache's Redirect directive because www in www.somehost.domain.edu has been considered redundant. This immediately broke all forms that pass variables to CGI scripts using POST method if the script is referred to using an absolute URL with the host name www.somehost.domain.edu in it. This didn't affect Mailman because we were running Mailman 2.0.13 and it has been using relative URLs in forms. Now, Mailman 2.1.1 uses absolute URLs in the web forms and it, of course, guessed web server's name wrong. To fix this, I have set DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py which fixed the POST problem for new lists that I created after the upgrade. However, Mailman still generates html forms with the old host name in them for at least some of the old mailing lists (the /mailman/listinfo/listname web page for example), possibly because DEFAULT_URL in the past used to refer to the old host name. Shouldn't these have picked up the correct server host name from DEFAULT_URL_HOST that was now set in mm_cfg.py? I was curious about where this dependency on this old host name is coming from, and so I went to ~mailman/lists/listname and run: strings *| grep -i 'www\.somehost' and it showed something like this: web_page_urlqQU%http://www.somename.domain.edu/mailman/qRU web_page_urlqPU%http://www.somename.domain.edu/mailman/qQU I also looked on the administrative web site for those lists and couldn't find anywhere there a setting for changing this. For now I just disabled redirects in Apache but I still would like to know what's going on. Does anyone know how to get rid of this dependency on the old host names? -akop From jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch Thu Apr 17 16:00:38 2003 From: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:00:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with compilation under Solaris 9 References: <3E9A98D4.F8440030@eos-gd.ch> <1050330730.2585.27.camel@anncons> <3E9BC237.B902FB3@eos-gd.ch> <200304151109.26356.hans-peter.zahno@unifr.ch> Message-ID: <3E9EB386.6BDB0F7C@eos-gd.ch> Hello Hans-Peter, Many thanks ! I configured the library path with the crle command and python compile without problems. Thanks to all list members for your help and have a nice week-end ! Jean Berthold Hans-Peter Zahno a ?crit : > Dear Jean, > > I had the same problem. > You should check your library path (LD_LIBRARY_PATH) or add /usr/local/lib to > the default library path. I used the 'crle' command, which creates the > /var/ld/ld.config file. > # crle -u -l /usr/local/lib > > Regards > Hans-Peter > > Am Dienstag, 15. April 2003 10.26 schrieben Sie: > > Hello, > > > > Now I tried to re-install Python from the sources. > > > > "./configure" seems working correctly > > > > but "./make" : > > > > Modules/python.o \ > > libpython2.2.a -lsocket -lnsl -ldl -lpthread -lthread > > -lm case $MAKEFLAGS in \ > > *-s*) CC='gcc' LDSHARED='gcc -shared' OPT='-DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall > > -Wstrict-prototypes' ./python -E ./setup.py -q build;; \ > > *) CC='gcc' LDSHARED='gcc -shared' OPT='-DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall > > -Wstrict-prototypes' ./python -E ./setup.py build;; \ > > esac > > ld.so.1: ./python: fatal: libstdc++.so.5: open failed: No such file or > > directory *** Error code 137 > > make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sharedmods' > > > > if I try a find to locate this libstdc++.so.5 > > root at vanuatu # find / -type f -exec grep "libstdc++.so.5" /dev/null {} \; > > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so=libstdc++.so.5.0.0 s > > none SMCgcc > > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.5=libstdc++.so.5.0.0 > > s none SMCgcc > > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.0 f none 0755 > > bin bin 8402256 43236 1030525336 SMCgcc > > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so=libstdc++.so > >.5.0.0 s none SMCgcc > > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so.5=libstdc++. > >so.5.0.0 s none SMCgcc > > /var/sadm/install/contents:/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so.5.0.0 f none > > 0755 bin bin 5441032 32551 1030525394 SMCgcc > > /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.la:dlname='libstdc++.so.5' > > /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.la:library_names='libstdc++.so.5.0.0 > > libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so' > > /usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.la:dlname='libstdc++.so.5' > > /usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.la:library_names='libstdc++.so.5.0.0 > > libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so' > > > > My $PATH: > > root at vanuatu # print $PATH > > /usr/ccs/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sfw/sbi > >n:/opt/sfw/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/apache/bin > > > > Is this path correct or do I need change it for including > > /usr/local/lib/sparcv9 ? > > > > root at vanuatu # which gcc > > /usr/local/bin/gcc > > root at vanuatu # which python > > /usr/local/bin/python > > root at vanuatu # which apachectl > > /usr/apache/bin/apachectl > > root at vanuatu # > > > > I tried to change my path, unsuccessfully ... > > > > Usually, all libraries are automatically used by the system, Im right ? > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Jean Berthold > > EOS - energie ouest suisse > > Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 > > CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland > > Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 > > Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 > > E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > > ________________________________ > > > > > > ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hans-Peter Zahno | mailto:Hans-Peter.Zahno at unifr.ch > Universitaet Freiburg/Informatikdienst| Phone: +41(0)26 300 72 07 > av. de l'Europe 20 | Fax: +41(0)26 300 97 04 > CH-1700 Freiburg - Switzerland | http://www.unifr.ch -- ________________________________ Jean Berthold EOS - energie ouest suisse Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch ________________________________ ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... From jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch Thu Apr 17 17:10:41 2003 From: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch (Jean Berthold) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:10:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris 9 References: <009501c2ce22$33c31cb0$9a0bee84@FDUJACK> Message-ID: <3E9EC3F0.743A86C6@eos-gd.ch> Hello, Please read my emails posted these last days, I had some problems to compile python under Solaris 9. --> Subject of my messages: "Problem with compilation under Solaris 9" Perhaps, this could help you ... Have a nice day ! Jean Berthold jsingh a ?crit : > Dear Users > I wanted to know if anyone had successfully installed python/Mailman on > Solaris 9 OS. > Thanks > Jack > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jean.berthold%40eos-gd.ch -- ________________________________ Jean Berthold EOS - energie ouest suisse Chemin de Mornex 10 , CP 570 CH-1001 Lausanne , Switzerland Tel. : +41 (0)21 341 24 58 Fax : +41 (0)21 341 20 49 E-Mail : jean.berthold at eos-gd.ch ________________________________ ...Unix is like a wigwam - no windows, no gates, apache inside... From jerry.hinshaw at hp.com Thu Apr 10 17:17:25 2003 From: jerry.hinshaw at hp.com (HINSHAW,JERRY L (HP-Boise,ex1)) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:17:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella and nested lists moderation requests Message-ID: HI, I want to create an umbrella list (a list with ONLY lists nested within it). The top level list is simply named top. The nested lists are injerry, inclint, and incat. I have mailman-v2.1.1 installed and is the FIRST mailman to be installed on these servers. I have reviewed the FAQs and the mailing lists archives, which currently only address ensuring unique mail addresses are in the nested lists. I have currently set ALL lists (top, injerry, incat, and inclint) with NO Moderation and accepting from everyone. If I mail to any one of the nested (injerry, incat, and inclint) lists as anyone the message delivers no problems. HOWEVER when I send to the umbrella list (top) the List owner of the nested lists (injerry, incat, and inclint) get a message indicating moderation is required for the message sent. Have a missed something or is this incorrect behavior?? BELOW is the config_list output of the parameters I think are important. Attached is the complete config_list output for the umbrella list (top) and a nested list (injerry). Also is the mm_cfg.py settings for the site. Any help or ideas would be appreciated. Thanks Jerry TOP Level List (Umbrella List) bash-2.04$ grep member top | grep -v "^#" umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner' new_member_options = 256 default_member_moderation = 0 member_moderation_action = 0 member_moderation_notice = '' accept_these_nonmembers = [] hold_these_nonmembers = [] reject_these_nonmembers = [] discard_these_nonmembers = [] generic_nonmember_action = 0 NESTED LIST bash-2.04$ grep member injerry | grep -v "^#" umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner' new_member_options = 256 default_member_moderation = 0 member_moderation_action = 0 member_moderation_notice = '' accept_these_nonmembers = [] hold_these_nonmembers = [] reject_these_nonmembers = [] discard_these_nonmembers = [] generic_nonmember_action = 0 Mm_cfg.py settings other than virtual host which is set. # Should a list, by default be advertised? What is the default maximum number # of explicit recipients allowed? What is the default maximum message size # allowed? DEFAULT_LIST_ADVERTISED = 1 DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 100000 DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE = 0 # KB # Are archives on or off by default? DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = 0 # 0=Off, 1=On # Set this variable to 1 to allow list owners to delete their own mailing # lists. You may not want to give them this power, in which case, setting # this variable to 0 instead requires list removal to be done by the site # administrator, via the command line script bin/rmlist. OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = 1 ##### # Digestification defaults ##### # Will list be available in non-digested form? DEFAULT_NONDIGESTABLE = 1 # Will list be available in digested form? DEFAULT_DIGESTABLE = 0 DEFAULT_DIGEST_IS_DEFAULT = 0 # This variable controls whether monthly password reminders are sent. DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0 # Send welcome messages to new users? Probably should keep this set to 1. DEFAULT_SEND_WELCOME_MSG = 0 # Send goodbye messages to unsubscribed members? Probably should keep this # set to 1. DEFAULT_SEND_GOODBYE_MSG = 0 # How long should messages which have delivery failures continue to be # retried? After this period of time, a message that has failed recipients # will be dequeued and those recipients will never receive the message. DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD = days(3) # Should list members, by default, have their posts be moderated? DEFAULT_DEFAULT_MEMBER_MODERATION = 0 # What shold happen to non-member posts which are do not match explicit # non-member actions? # 0 = Accept # 1 = Hold # 2 = Reject # 3 = Discard DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 0 # See "Bitfield for user options" below; make this a sum of those options, to # make all new members of lists start with those options flagged. We assume # by default that people don't want to receive two copies of posts. Note # however that the member moderation flag's initial value is controlled by the # list's config variable default_member_moderation. # Bitfield for user options. See DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS above to set # defaults for all new lists. #Digests = 0 # handled by other mechanism, doesn't need a flag. #DisableDelivery = 1 # Obsolete; use set/getDeliveryStatus() #DontReceiveOwnPosts = 2 # Non-digesters only #AcknowledgePosts = 4 #DisableMime = 8 # Digesters only #ConcealSubscription = 16 #SuppressPasswordReminder = 32 #ReceiveNonmatchingTopics = 64 #Moderate = 128 #DontReceiveDuplicates = 256 #DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS = 256 From lmiddle at asf.alaska.edu Thu Apr 10 21:34:14 2003 From: lmiddle at asf.alaska.edu (Luke Middle) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:34:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam filtering before distribution... Message-ID: <3E95C736.9070809@asf.alaska.edu> Hi All, I have been following some different discussions about removing spam from mailinglists. It seems like adding a bouncer to the "X-Spam=yes" header was an option. However this assumes that the message has already been tagged by spamassassin. What I would like to do is have the pipeline of SpamAssassin.pyc operational. I was able to get it installed fine and there are no errors generated when mail is sent. However, once mail is sent to a list it does not have any of the normal spamd headers attached. This is indicating to me that it is not going to spamd and running. Has anybody run into a similar problem or have any idea what might be happening? My system is: RedHat 7.3, 2.4.9-34 Mailman 2.0.13 Spamassassin 2.43 My install procedure: follow all mailman documentation adding the file SpamAssassin.py (from sourceforge) to Mailman/Handlers and adding SpamAssassin to the pipeline in HandlersAPI.py. ./configre, make install This installs everything and also generates the SpamAssassin.pyc file. The mailing lists are functional, just not running the SpamAssassin handler properly. If I have missed something glaring here please tell me. If this is a known problem I would also like to know. Thanks for you time! -Luke From george at holylandtrust.org Fri Apr 11 19:53:24 2003 From: george at holylandtrust.org (George) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing HTML on first Options Page In-Reply-To: <200304111034.01500.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> References: <18412088859.20030410163952@earthlink.net> <200304111034.01500.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <11030899953.20030411105324@holylandtrust.org> Howdy I am not a web designer so I only know HTML from what makes sense to me. But the code under ./templates/en/options.html looks nothing like the final page. There can only be two reasons for this. Either the code is really imbedded in the routines which are like or this is not the right html. It does seem to be the right html for the second options page (which I described in my first email, see below) Can some one tell me where the html is or how to give me some further direction on the routines like THANKS. Peace, G --- 1:34:01 AM, you wrote: > Its in : > $mailmandir/templates/en/options.html > Anthony > On Friday 11 April 2003 01:39, ghhalley wrote: >> Howdy All, >> >> Trying to get my set-up just right.... >> >> When a user logs into their specific settings, they get one of two >> pages. The first asks for the password and after validating it, a >> second page (options.html) is displayed where you can change many of >> the options. >> >> Where is the template for the first page? I would love to modify it. >> >> Is there a way you can turn off the need for authentication? >> (Security implications taken into consideration, of course) >> >> Peace, >> George >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> >> This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > This message was sent to: GHHalley at earthlink.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ghhalley%40earthlink.net From rudy at zeus.ugent.be Mon Apr 14 14:03:39 2003 From: rudy at zeus.ugent.be (Rudy Gevaert) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:03:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing domain Message-ID: <20030414120338.GA12845@zeus.rug.ac.be> Hi, I am running mailman and have about 50 lists. Our universty has changed names and in the near futher all domains will change from zeus.rug.ac.be to zeus.ugent.be. What is the easyest way to do this in mailman? Thanks in advance, PS please reply to me to, as I am not on the list -- Rudy Gevaert rudy at zeus.ugent.be Web page http://www.webworm.org GNU/Linux user and Savannah hacker http://savannah.gnu.org There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. - Mark Twain From michelek at sigecom.net Mon Apr 14 19:43:17 2003 From: michelek at sigecom.net (Michele Klipsch) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:43:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation of mailman Message-ID: <000001c302ad$5812ca10$887ba8c0@MicheleHome> Hi, I would like to install and use mailman on my website, but need help in installating. I am willing to pay for help with the installation. Can you help? Michele Klipsch michelek at sigecom.net From C.Hankett at asahq.org Tue Apr 15 22:32:21 2003 From: C.Hankett at asahq.org (Hankett, Carrie) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Learning to use Mailman Message-ID: <3AC68F1FF79EFF409BC6529320C6F0D454F568@asa_courrier.asahq.org> Hi - How do I search for a specific email address when I have many lists? Is there a way that I can do a "global search"? Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------- Carolyn Hankett IS Project Coordinator American Society of Anesthesiologists 520 N. Northwest Highway Park Ridge, IL. 60068-2573 Voice: 847/825-5586 x 172 Fax: 847/825-1692 email: c.hankett at ASAhq.org From jason at espprojects.co.uk Wed Apr 16 11:09:28 2003 From: jason at espprojects.co.uk (Jason Francis) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:09:28 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Message-ID: <000001c303f7$e24d7b80$0b05a8c0@esp01> Hi, I recently downloaded the mailman software version 2.1. Unzipped the file and it installed some LAN Tools that i wasnt even aware I was downloading. Is there a reason for this or have i done something wrong??? How do i download the correct software and install it correctly. The instructions on the websit were very patchy. Thanks Jason From mariano at littledevilrecords.com Wed Apr 16 15:28:41 2003 From: mariano at littledevilrecords.com (Mariano) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:28:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pre-compiled version of Mailman Message-ID: <02a901c3041c$1bd70e60$0100a8c0@MARXP> Hello all, I'm looking for a precompiled version of Mailman for my server. I have to pay extra for gcc and do not want to incure the monthly expense. Thanks, Mariano Real http://www.littledevilrecords.com http://www.fifthstonemusic.com http://www.fifthstonestudios.com http://www.omapinfo.org http://www.autism-society.org From j.barelds at good-it.com Wed Apr 16 18:53:23 2003 From: j.barelds at good-it.com (Johan Barelds) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:53:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to in multiple domain situation Message-ID: <200304161853.23463.j.barelds@good-it.com> Hi all, I just replaced majordomo with mailman. Because i host more domains i added the mailingslist name as a explicit Reply-to adress in the general option admin section. The problem is that is doesn't work! In every mail to the mailinglist the other domainname shows up in the Reply-to adress. Any clues how to fix this (besides migrating back to majordomo..:-) -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds, Good-IT! BV Strijplaan 320 2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) Email j.barelds at good-it.com Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From j.barelds at good-it.com Wed Apr 16 19:12:59 2003 From: j.barelds at good-it.com (Johan Barelds) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:12:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple way to change one setting on multiple lists? Message-ID: <200304161912.59442.j.barelds@good-it.com> Hi all, I have to change one setting for a lot of lists. Because i am a lazy system administrator i prefer not to do it with the webinterface for every list. Is there a way to do it with a script or something? (i use version 2.0.13) -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds, Good-IT! BV Strijplaan 320 2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) Email j.barelds at good-it.com Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From kitepilot at kitepilot.com Wed Apr 16 22:24:24 2003 From: kitepilot at kitepilot.com (Enrique A. Troconis) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:24:24 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] From install to operational. Too many questions. Message-ID: <00c801c30456$340a61a0$1e00a8c0@kitepilot1> Hello outside world... I don't have a system administrator background, so please bear with me... :( I have a programmer background and I do have assistance from some SA friends, but they don't know anything about mailman. So, this is what I am trying to do: I want mailman to run ONLY on specific virtual domains in my server. I am running version 2.0.13 under Redhad 6.2. I believe it was installed by source but I am not sure. And I am using sendmail. What I am looking for is some sort of cookbook that I can use to set this thing up for the virtual domains I want. So far, all the information I've found points to what I believe to be global installations and I don't want to go ahead and begin a trial and error process in my live server and then break something else. So, the question is: How do I set up mailman to be visible only to selected virtual domains in the server? I thank everyone willing to take a stab at this one, my frustration levels are already overflooding... :( Enrique A. Troconis kitepilot at kitepilot.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/03 From glig at sympatico.ca Thu Apr 10 21:16:31 2003 From: glig at sympatico.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Francis_Ren=E9_{GLIG}?=) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem :( Message-ID: <000801c2ff95$b264ddc0$0a01a8c0@gertrude> Hi I've just installed your mailman I run the check_perms and there's no problem after you say Exec /mailman/* $prefix/cgi-bin/* or: ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ where I do that ? now I want to start mailman and I see mailman at System8:/usr/local/mailman/bin$ mailmanctl start Site list is missing: mailman mailman at System8:/usr/local/mailman/bin$ what I forgot to do ? and what the url of the webinterface if my adresse is http://sytem8.myftp.org any port or ? thx GLIG From glig at sympatico.ca Thu Apr 10 22:45:33 2003 From: glig at sympatico.ca (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Francis_Ren=E9_{GLIG}?=) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:45:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: problem :( Message-ID: <001001c2ffa2$222a0840$0a01a8c0@gertrude> ok I find where the line go ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ in httpd.conf now a start mailman and I have this problem can you tell me if it's a problem of access ? Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 88, in main Auth.loginpage(mlist, 'admin', msg=msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 59, in loginpage print mlist.GetMailmanFooter() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 58, in GetMailmanFooter Link(Utils.ScriptURL('listinfo'), File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 227, in ScriptURL web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % get_domain() TypeError: not all arguments converted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Apr 10 2003, 10:55:47) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform linux2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_COOKIE testing=1; sid=10afc2301fdc0aff60d203395c8c621b SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin SERVER_ADMIN glig at sympatico.ca SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.20 Server at System8.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST system8.myftp.org PATH_INFO /new/ SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/new/ HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-gsarcade-launch, */* PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/htdocs/new/ HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME System8.org REMOTE_ADDR 67.68.158.74 REMOTE_PORT 3379 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE fr-ca SERVER_ADDR 67.68.158.176 SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate UNIQUE_ID PpWeMMCoAQsAAEjfKrQ DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/htdocs From Raver-Lampman at SignedCopy.com Thu Apr 10 22:12:02 2003 From: Raver-Lampman at SignedCopy.com (Greg Raver-Lampman) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:12:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] NewsLetters Message-ID: Does Mailman have a configuration that would allow me to send out weekly or monthly newsletters? Can it be configured to send in both HTML or plain text, depending on the request? Thanks, Greg Raver-Lampman, SignedCopy.com From lsheldon at library.state.nh.us Mon Apr 14 17:49:45 2003 From: lsheldon at library.state.nh.us (lsheldon at library.state.nh.us) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:49:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am new at this ListServe administrator position Message-ID: Is there a way that I can delete "pending administrative requests", from one of my many Lists, at the command line? Thank you. -L Linda Sheldon Systems Development Specialist New Hampshire State Library 271-2425 lsheldon at library.state.nh.us From landruler at operamail.com Thu Apr 17 18:37:57 2003 From: landruler at operamail.com (Jim Beach) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:37:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] invalid footer Message-ID: <20030417163757.7241.qmail@operamail.com> I am running a list using Mailman which is installed by my webhost. I'm simply a list owner with no server access and I don't know Python, therefore the docs are not helpful to me for this problem. I've left intact the default footer on both individual and digest emails. But I've added another line which instructs subscribers to "reply to all" to reply to the group and "reply" to reply individually. None of the footer info appears on messages, neither the default stuff nor the line I added, only [INVALID FOOTER]. What am I doing wrong? -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze From raywood at magma.ca Thu Apr 17 19:27:51 2003 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:27:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Learning to use Mailman Message-ID: <20030417172751.GB22472@magma.ca> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 03:32:21PM -0500, Hankett, Carrie remarked: > Hi - > > How do I search for a specific email address when I have many lists? Is > there a way that I can do a "global search"? > > Thanks! $PREFIX/mailman/bin/find_members .*snippet.* where 'snippet' is a search name/word/string. The '.*' is a 'regular expression' that represents 'zero or more characters'. HTH, Raymond -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+nuQLtl2G2Ts8DgMRAjE4AJ9lbw1lTZB7aDGLEabevLMM2WIotACfTWFq KaM8TWeu7vrlYg7PnORHFSA= =uQCa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jjohnson at umn.edu Thu Apr 17 19:36:14 2003 From: jjohnson at umn.edu (Jeffrey M. Johnson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:36:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Problems with attachments References: Message-ID: <00b001c30507$d88dd6b0$47626580@kermit1> I have a slight problem with digests that include attachments. It seems the attachment is written into the document and no longer an attachment (See below). This only affects the digest non-digested users recieve the attachment properly. How do I correct this? What an attachment looks like. > ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C304DC.AD4E4550 Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel; name="Austrian.xls" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Austrian.xls" 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAGgAAAAAAAAAA EAAA/v///wAAAAD+////AAAAABkAAAD///////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Thanks Jeff From steve at openspirit.com Thu Apr 17 19:46:18 2003 From: steve at openspirit.com (Steve Mertz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:46:18 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out of memory Message-ID: <1050601456.574.22.camel@nymph> When trying to send a large message (5M or larger) to a Mailman list, it seems to puke due to lack of memory: marcos:mailman {106} Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._shunt.enqueue(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 91, in enqueue msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1) MemoryError: out of memory I am running on OpenBSD 3.1, with 512M ram. Mailman 2.1.1. Running the mailman account with csh and here are the limits: marcos:mailman {102} limit cputime unlimited filesize unlimited datasize 65536 kbytes stacksize 4096 kbytes coredumpsize unlimited memoryuse 481368 kbytes memorylocked 160456 kbytes maxproc 128 openfiles 64 Anyone have any ideas? -- Steve Mertz System Administrator OpenSpirit Corporation 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 Sugar Land, TX 77478 From jsullivan at mlsnet.com Thu Apr 17 19:43:41 2003 From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:43:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out of memory Message-ID: How many users are on your list? I believe there's an option to lower the number of recipients that get spooled at a time - I think default is 500 maybe you want to drop that down to 50 or 100 and work you way up from there until you find a working threshold. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Mertz [mailto:steve at openspirit.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:44 PM To: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out of memory When trying to send a large message (5M or larger) to a Mailman list, it seems to puke due to lack of memory: marcos:mailman {106} Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run filecnt = self._oneloop() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop self._shunt.enqueue(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 91, in enqueue msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1) MemoryError: out of memory I am running on OpenBSD 3.1, with 512M ram. Mailman 2.1.1. Running the mailman account with csh and here are the limits: marcos:mailman {102} limit cputime unlimited filesize unlimited datasize 65536 kbytes stacksize 4096 kbytes coredumpsize unlimited memoryuse 481368 kbytes memorylocked 160456 kbytes maxproc 128 openfiles 64 Anyone have any ideas? -- Steve Mertz System Administrator OpenSpirit Corporation 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 Sugar Land, TX 77478 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jsullivan at mlsnet.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsullivan%40mlsnet.com From steve at openspirit.com Thu Apr 17 19:54:16 2003 From: steve at openspirit.com (Steve Mertz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:54:16 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out of memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050601929.326.24.camel@nymph> There is one user on the list. Myself. I set this up for testing before implementing (good thing I did!) -- Steve On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 12:43, Sullivan, John wrote: > How many users are on your list? > > I believe there's an option to lower the number of recipients that get > spooled at a time - I think default is 500 maybe you want to drop that down > to 50 or 100 and work you way up from there until you find a working > threshold. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mertz [mailto:steve at openspirit.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:44 PM > To: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out > of memory > > When trying to send a large message (5M or larger) to a Mailman list, it > seems to puke due to lack of memory: > > > marcos:mailman {106} > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > filecnt = self._oneloop() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > self._shunt.enqueue(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 91, in > enqueue > msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1) > MemoryError: out of memory > > I am running on OpenBSD 3.1, with 512M ram. Mailman 2.1.1. > > Running the mailman account with csh and here are the limits: > marcos:mailman {102} limit > cputime unlimited > filesize unlimited > datasize 65536 kbytes > stacksize 4096 kbytes > coredumpsize unlimited > memoryuse 481368 kbytes > memorylocked 160456 kbytes > maxproc 128 > openfiles 64 > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > > -- > Steve Mertz > System Administrator > > OpenSpirit Corporation > 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 > Sugar Land, TX 77478 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jsullivan at mlsnet.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsullivan%40mlsnet.com > -- Steve Mertz System Administrator OpenSpirit Corporation 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 Sugar Land, TX 77478 From jsullivan at mlsnet.com Thu Apr 17 19:49:50 2003 From: jsullivan at mlsnet.com (Sullivan, John) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:49:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out of memory Message-ID: It sounds like a problem with Send Mail. I'm not to familiar with the tweaking of sendmail maybe try posting it on their mailing lists. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Mertz [mailto:steve at openspirit.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:52 PM To: Sullivan, John Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out of memory There is one user on the list. Myself. I set this up for testing before implementing (good thing I did!) -- Steve On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 12:43, Sullivan, John wrote: > How many users are on your list? > > I believe there's an option to lower the number of recipients that get > spooled at a time - I think default is 500 maybe you want to drop that down > to 50 or 100 and work you way up from there until you find a working > threshold. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mertz [mailto:steve at openspirit.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:44 PM > To: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out > of memory > > When trying to send a large message (5M or larger) to a Mailman list, it > seems to puke due to lack of memory: > > > marcos:mailman {106} > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > filecnt = self._oneloop() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > self._shunt.enqueue(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 91, in > enqueue > msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1) > MemoryError: out of memory > > I am running on OpenBSD 3.1, with 512M ram. Mailman 2.1.1. > > Running the mailman account with csh and here are the limits: > marcos:mailman {102} limit > cputime unlimited > filesize unlimited > datasize 65536 kbytes > stacksize 4096 kbytes > coredumpsize unlimited > memoryuse 481368 kbytes > memorylocked 160456 kbytes > maxproc 128 > openfiles 64 > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > > -- > Steve Mertz > System Administrator > > OpenSpirit Corporation > 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 > Sugar Land, TX 77478 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jsullivan at mlsnet.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsullivan%40mlsnet.com > -- Steve Mertz System Administrator OpenSpirit Corporation 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 Sugar Land, TX 77478 From steve at openspirit.com Thu Apr 17 20:01:44 2003 From: steve at openspirit.com (Steve Mertz) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:01:44 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out of memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050602380.573.29.camel@nymph> If you read my message, you will see that it's cPickle.dumps() that is causing the memory error. Sending large emails (10+M) through just sendmail works fine. The problem is with Mailman here.... On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 12:49, Sullivan, John wrote: > It sounds like a problem with Send Mail. I'm not to familiar with the > tweaking of sendmail maybe try posting it on their mailing lists. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mertz [mailto:steve at openspirit.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:52 PM > To: Sullivan, John > Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: > out of memory > > There is one user on the list. Myself. I set this up for testing before > implementing (good thing I did!) > > -- Steve > > > On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 12:43, Sullivan, John wrote: > > How many users are on your list? > > > > I believe there's an option to lower the number of recipients that get > > spooled at a time - I think default is 500 maybe you want to drop that > down > > to 50 or 100 and work you way up from there until you find a working > > threshold. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Mertz [mailto:steve at openspirit.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:44 PM > > To: Mailman-Users at python.org > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out > > of memory > > > > When trying to send a large message (5M or larger) to a Mailman list, it > > seems to puke due to lack of memory: > > > > > > marcos:mailman {106} > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > > filecnt = self._oneloop() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > > self._shunt.enqueue(msg, msgdata) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 91, in > > enqueue > > msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1) > > MemoryError: out of memory > > > > I am running on OpenBSD 3.1, with 512M ram. Mailman 2.1.1. > > > > Running the mailman account with csh and here are the limits: > > marcos:mailman {102} limit > > cputime unlimited > > filesize unlimited > > datasize 65536 kbytes > > stacksize 4096 kbytes > > coredumpsize unlimited > > memoryuse 481368 kbytes > > memorylocked 160456 kbytes > > maxproc 128 > > openfiles 64 > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Steve Mertz > > System Administrator > > > > OpenSpirit Corporation > > 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 > > Sugar Land, TX 77478 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: jsullivan at mlsnet.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsullivan%40mlsnet.com > > > -- > Steve Mertz > System Administrator > > OpenSpirit Corporation > 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 > Sugar Land, TX 77478 > -- Steve Mertz System Administrator OpenSpirit Corporation 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 Sugar Land, TX 77478 From mike at miis.edu Thu Apr 17 20:43:28 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:43:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error starting mailman service Message-ID: I just installed the mailman that comes with RedHat 9.0 ( I think it is 2.1-8). A piece of documentation says as of ver2.1 mailman requires a service. When I try running it I get the following message: [root at listserv mailman]# /sbin/service mailman start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found Can anyone enlighten me to how to fix it? Thanx! Mike From droberts at statalabs.com Thu Apr 17 20:49:01 2003 From: droberts at statalabs.com (Doug Roberts) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:49:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML scrubbing revisited Message-ID: <200304171849.ABO50089@m1.imap-partners.net> Hi all, I'm also having the problem where HTML mail is scrubbed when it it wrapped up in the archives. I think this has been reported before, but the only answer was to use MHonArc rather than the built in archiver for Mailman. I was hoping that there was another answer since me not smart. A search of the archives proves that there probably isn't and I'm now pouring over the MHonArc FAQ entries. A quick question - if I implement MHonArc, will the archives it creates fix the broken emails in my current archives? Doug Roberts droberts at statalabs.com From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Thu Apr 17 20:53:20 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:53:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error starting mailman service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030417185320.GW2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gideon wrote: > I just installed the mailman that comes with RedHat 9.0 ( I think it is > 2.1-8). A piece of documentation says as of ver2.1 mailman requires a > service. > > When I try running it I get the following message: > > [root at listserv mailman]# /sbin/service mailman start > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found It looks like you don't have all the required python modules installed. You might want to look on the RH 9 (no .0 anymore) CD's to see if there are other python rpms which you don't have installed. If you figure out what rpm it is that's missing, you might consider reporting it to RH so they can add it as a requires in their Mailman RPM. Maybe sometime before Mailman 10 some distribution will build an RPM that 'just works.' It sure would cut down on the traffic to this list. :) - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans. -- William Jefferson Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+nvgfuv+09NZUB1oRAhCTAKC3m3Ur5EvUScqIHH4m1cW7qfSIVgCeNKbM sN6p/DdNKsCTN6hepl/agoY= =btQP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From boettiger at pobox.com Thu Apr 17 21:48:52 2003 From: boettiger at pobox.com (Adam Boettiger) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:48:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] To pickle or not to pickle, that is the question... In-Reply-To: <200304171849.ABO50089@m1.imap-partners.net> Message-ID: I have a dilemma that I'm hoping a more advanced list owner can help me with. Running mm 2.1.1 I really, *really* need the ability to modify held messages - for spelling, typos, quotes that are too lengthy etc. I've read the patch that provides this feature and it appears that: > You must set HOLD_MESSAGES_AS_PICKLES = 0 in your > installation's mm_cfg.py for this to work. I may > support pickles in a future version. Personally I > don't see that much performance difference anyway, not > on the held stuff... Also note that if you had > HOLD_MESSAGES_AS_PICKLES = 1 (the default) when you > created a list, you must recreate it after changing > that variable. If indeed I do need to recreate all of my lists after changing the pickle setting, I need to know how to do this in such a manner that all delivery settings and preferences are kept for the list members and in such a way that they do not receive a Welcome message when I recreate the lists. Is there a way to export a list of listmembers *by setting* that I can then reimport once the list is recreated, or is there really an easier way of doing this, like just moving a file and moving it back after setting the pickles to 0. ?? Thanks in advance, AB From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Apr 17 15:33:45 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:33:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some problems after 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 upgrade In-Reply-To: <20030417124951.GA38560@csua.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030417142849.03ab3ad0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> For your second problem: 1. The ability to modify a list's web_page_url attribute which was available in MM 2.0.13 was removed from the web admin GUI in 2.1 2. You can use the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script in conjunction with $prefix/bin/withlist script. Both output their usage if you run them with the --help option. At 13:49 17/04/2003, Akop Pogosian wrote: >I have found two esoteric problems after the Mailman upgrade on one >mail server that runs Solaris 2.6/Sendmail 8.12.9/Python 2.1.3. > >First problem: > >I have created a mailing list called "testlist" but I am having >problems subscribing myself to it. After a receiving and replying to a >message that says that I have attempted to subscribe myself using the >web based subscribe form, I get a message that -again- asks me for >confirmation (now claiming that the original request came from my >email address rather than the IP address reported to the web form) and >this continues forever. e.g. If I reply to this message, I get another >message asking me to confirm this subscription. The funny thing is >that if a create a mailing list with some other name, it works just >fine. If I try to subscribe and unsubscribe myself from one of the >lists that existed before the Mailman upgrade, everything works fine >too. It's just this "testlist" that's driving me crazy. I have even >tried to delete this list and then recreate it but I still have been >unable to subscribe myself to it. The subscription fails regardless of >which of my two email addresses I use to subscribe myself or the web >browser issues. To rule out the possibility that it could do something >with Mozilla cookies, I have tried using my netscape 4 which shouldn't >have any cookies saved in it). Has anyone else seen this problem? > >Second problem: > >The Background. Our web server has several names in DNS, including >somehost.domain.edu and www.somehost.domain.edu. This web server has >been recently configured to redirect all requests to >www.somehost.domain.edu to somehost.domain.edu using apache's Redirect >directive because www in www.somehost.domain.edu has been considered >redundant. This immediately broke all forms that pass variables to CGI >scripts using POST method if the script is referred to using an >absolute URL with the host name www.somehost.domain.edu in it. This >didn't affect Mailman because we were running Mailman 2.0.13 and it >has been using relative URLs in forms. Now, Mailman 2.1.1 uses >absolute URLs in the web forms and it, of course, guessed web server's >name wrong. To fix this, I have set DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py >which fixed the POST problem for new lists that I created after the >upgrade. However, Mailman still generates html forms with the old >host name in them for at least some of the old mailing lists (the >/mailman/listinfo/listname web page for example), possibly because >DEFAULT_URL in the past used to refer to the old host name. Shouldn't >these have picked up the correct server host name from >DEFAULT_URL_HOST that was now set in mm_cfg.py? > >I was curious about where this dependency on this old host name is >coming from, and so I went to ~mailman/lists/listname and run: >strings *| grep -i 'www\.somehost' > >and it showed something like this: > >web_page_urlqQU%http://www.somename.domain.edu/mailman/qRU >web_page_urlqPU%http://www.somename.domain.edu/mailman/qQU > >I also looked on the administrative web site for those lists and >couldn't find anywhere there a setting for changing this. For now I >just disabled redirects in Apache but I still would like to know >what's going on. Does anyone know how to get rid of this dependency on >the old host names? > >-akop > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > From romio at netvision.net.il Thu Apr 17 23:00:22 2003 From: romio at netvision.net.il (Roman Gavrilov) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:00:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] incorrect attachment url in virtual host environment Message-ID: <0b8d01c30524$5cef3d10$020010ac@romio> Hello, I have one mailman server serving few virtual domains lists. Each domains has its own virtual web interface through "lists.domainname" Everything seems to work ok besides the archives. If there is a message with an attachment, the attachment url is being set to DEFAULT_URL_HOST instead of the 'lists.domainname". example : domain: domainname.com list : testlist listinfo url : http://lists.domainname.com/mailman/listinfo/testlist OK archive url : http://lists.domainname.com/pipermail/testlist/ OK message in the archive : http://lists.domainname.com/pipermail/testlist/2003-April/000006.html OK attachment url : http://MAINDOMAIN/pipermail/testlist/attachments/20030417/e9340378/attachment-0001.htm NOT OK the attachment url is not being set properly. Is there anyway to configure mm_cfg.py so when the archive is created the attachment url will be also set to the virtual domain. Thanks From mhm at austin.ibm.com Thu Apr 17 22:27:59 2003 From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:27:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Whacked out List... Message-ID: <20030417202759.GA11739@austin.ibm.com> RH 8 running 2.4.18-27.8.0 Mailman 2.0.13 apache 2.0.40-11.3 Out of 30 lists on a small server, 1 list is totally unmanagable. check_db and check_perms run with no errors, I've deleted and recreated the list.. same problem. Are there any keywords that mailman might be sensative to? ( cmleader is the listname ). Any thoughts, ideas, or suggestions welcome. Mike From bills at right-net.com Fri Apr 18 00:30:31 2003 From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Existing Private Archive to Public Archive Message-ID: Hi, I've searched the FAQ's and other docmentation but either the information to too cryptic or I'm just lost, but I need help converting a quite large private archive to become publically available. What I probably need is someone who can tick off the steps for moving it from private to public. Sorry to be so clumsy. I've been reading this list for over a year, but I haven't seen this described so far. I have operated several politically oriented mail lists since the mid '90's and the list members have agreed the information should be searchable via the web and search engines. I'm using Mailman 2.0.11 and Exim version 3.35 mail server. I have successfully converted all the previous majordomo archives to Mailman mboxes in the mailman/private/ directory. Could someone either list the step by step or point me to a specific place where the step by step is described. TIA! Bill From jon at csh.rit.edu Fri Apr 18 01:01:36 2003 From: jon at csh.rit.edu (Jon Parise) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:01:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam filtering before distribution... In-Reply-To: <3E95C736.9070809@asf.alaska.edu> References: <3E95C736.9070809@asf.alaska.edu> Message-ID: <20030417230136.GA10731@csh.rit.edu> On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 11:34:14AM -0800, Luke Middle wrote: > Hi All, I have been following some different discussions about removing > spam from mailinglists. It seems like adding a bouncer to the > "X-Spam=yes" header was an option. However this assumes that the > message has already been tagged by spamassassin. What I would like to > do is have the pipeline of SpamAssassin.pyc operational. I was able to > get it installed fine and there are no errors generated when mail is > sent. However, once mail is sent to a list it does not have any of the > normal spamd headers attached. This is indicating to me that it is not > going to spamd and running. Has anybody run into a similar problem or > have any idea what might be happening? The SpamAssassin handler does not pass on the spamd-rewritten version of the message; it passes on the original message text. -- Jon Parise (jon at csh.rit.edu) :: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ From jerry at sandiego.edu Fri Apr 18 01:05:22 2003 From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:05:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership adds not sticking in 2.1.1 Message-ID: Since upgrading to Mailman 2.1.1. I have had intermittent reports of list managers who have trouble subscribing individuals to their lists, usually the first time they try after the list is created. The web page says that the users have been subscribed, and lists each address as subscribed, and the manager receives the e-mail confirmation that the user(s) have been subscribed (if requested), but the users do not show up in the membership list web page. Sometimes it works when they try it a second time, sometimes it requires me to try as the site administrator before it starts working. I have verified from the logs that it looks like the behavior they are describing is actually happening. Subscribes show up in the "logs/subscribe" file as if they worked, but the users do not show up in the list. I also have been able to (finally) have this happen to me, logged in as the site administrator on one of these lists. The subscription attempt appears to be successful on the web page; the log file shows (for example): Apr 17 15:07:08 2003 (26008) jointdoc: new "jerry at sandiego.edu" <> However, the user is not listed on the Membership list page, nor from the command line. I see nothing relevant in any of the other logs to indicate why. I do a grep on some of the names (such as jerry at sandiego.edu) on all files in the logs directory; the names only appear (as in the above line) in the 'subscribe' file. The subscribe file does not record any deletion of that address. The address is not in the membership list for the mailing list; neither on the web page nor using find_member from the command line. (find_member jerry at sandiego.edu). It appears to happen for both local and external addresses (all addresses are technically external, as mailman is on its own server; another server handles general mail). The web server is on a different server than the mailman server also. We use a NetApp device and nfs to connect each server to the account's file storage space. We did not have (or did not notice) this problem in Mailman 2.0.13, the previous version before upgrading to 2.1.1. Most people don't have this problem now. But it's definitely a problem for us. Does anyone know why this behavior might be happening, or how I might track down why it is happening? Jerry -- jerry at sandiego.edu http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/ Serra 188B/x8773 -- "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."--Douglas Adams (Mostly Harmless) From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Apr 18 01:46:15 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:46:15 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML scrubbing revisited References: <200304171849.ABO50089@m1.imap-partners.net> Message-ID: <3E9F3CC7.4090401@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Doug Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm also having the problem where HTML mail is scrubbed when it it wrapped up in the archives. I think this has been reported before, but the only answer was to use MHonArc rather than the built in archiver for Mailman. I was hoping that there was another answer since me not smart. Have you tried this ? http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-April/028059.html -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From droberts at statalabs.com Fri Apr 18 02:01:47 2003 From: droberts at statalabs.com (Doug Roberts) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:01:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML scrubbing revisited Message-ID: <200304180001.ABO53138@m1.imap-partners.net> > Have you tried this ? > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-April/028059.html > > -- > Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp > http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ Thanks for the pointer, but setting it to 3 scrubbed the HTML still. This is from that file, which may explain why: # Note: given the current archiving code, it is not possible to leave # text/html parts inline and un-escaped. I wouldn't think it'd be a good idea # to do anyway. If I read that right, it looks like I'll be hacking away with MHonArc. Doug Roberts droberts at statalabs.com From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Fri Apr 18 03:06:39 2003 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:06:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some problems after 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 upgrade In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030417142849.03ab3ad0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> References: <20030417124951.GA38560@csua.berkeley.edu> <5.1.1.6.0.20030417142849.03ab3ad0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030418010638.GA38388@csua.berkeley.edu> Hi, On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 02:33:45PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: > For your second problem: > > 1. The ability to modify a list's web_page_url attribute which was > available in MM 2.0.13 was removed from the web admin GUI in 2.1 That's a strange choice, was this meant to make it harder to fix the kind of problem like we're having here? > > 2. You can use the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script in conjunction with > $prefix/bin/withlist script. Both output their usage if you run them with > the --help option. > Thanks, this helped. However, I am wondering, is there a reason this value has to be stored in the list specific data files instead of picking up the global value of DEFAULT_URL_HOST? -akop From bob at bergey.net Fri Apr 18 03:39:02 2003 From: bob at bergey.net (Bob Bergey) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:39:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Help Needed Message-ID: I've been running mailing lists (currently about 40 of them) for more than six years using Macjordomo as the list server, SIMS as the mail server, currently running on an old Mac 7600/OS 9.1 on a DSL connection with static IP. But for several reasons, I need to make some significant changes as far as the list server is concerned, and Mailman seems to have everything I need. Except I need some help to get started. I'd prefer running Mailman on my own server rather than use another provider. What kind of hardware power do I need for Mailman? Some of my lists generate as many as 100 messages a day to 600 or more subscribers -- not a huge amount, but not insignificant either. On average I deliver somewhere between 75,000 and 150,000 individual messages/day. I'm considering one of these three choices for hardware: - I have a beige Mac G3/300 capable of running OSX 10.2.5 that I could dedicate to Mailman -- but I'm wondering if that's powerful enough for my needs? - I could buy a new eMac G4/700 for under $1,000 (I'd really like to stay under $1,000 if I have to buy a new machine), also running OSX 10.2.5. - I could buy a PC running Linux (?) -- which I know nothing about, but I guess it's not impossible to learn . I've got a spare monitor I could use, and I assume I could buy a machine for under $1,000? Which would you recommend? (I'm a long-time Mac user -- since 1985 -- and am very comfortable working in the Macintosh environment, so I'd prefer running Mailman on a Mac if that's not too unreasonable or disadvantageous. But I'm open to other options.) Also, I've downloaded the Mailman software, read through most of the install documentation and the online FAQ, and although I know enough to set up and run Macjordomo, SIMS, and do things like design and maintain my own Web sites, the Install file of Mailman is very intimidating to me and I'm over my head, I'm afraid ... so I'm wondering if it's possible to hire someone to install Mailman for me, and assuming it is, what would be a reasonable cost to expect to pay for installation? Once Mailman is installed and running, I expect to be able to create, configure and manage my lists without much (if any) further help. Oh, one other possible option ... I lease space on several UNIX servers for Web sites with a few dozen different domains -- would running Mailman on one of those be a possibility? I have shell access but can't do things like restart the server on my own (I don't have physical access to those servers). Thanks for any help you can offer. Bob P.S. Thanks to Kathleen Weber, if she's still on the list, for her post in the archives on installing Mailman on a Mac running OSX -- very encouraging (if also a little intimidating) . -- ====================================================================== Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA Internet Services for the Printing Industry Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET ====================================================================== From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Apr 18 04:00:54 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Existing Private Archive to Public Archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030418020054.GB2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Selmeier wrote: > I'm using Mailman 2.0.11 and Exim version 3.35 mail server. I have > successfully converted all the previous majordomo archives to Mailman > mboxes in the mailman/private/ directory. I'm not sure if I follow exactly what point you're at. Do you have the archives working in Mailman as private archives or do you only have the mboxes created? If you have private archives in Mailman and want to make them public, you should only have to toggle the public/private radio button on the archives page of the web admin area for the list. If you haven't gotten the archives completely converted from majordomo yet you will need to use the arch command in ~mailman/bin to create the html archives. The mbox files should be in: ~mailman/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox Am I understanding you correctly? If so, I hope this helps. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Formerly we suffered from crimes; now we suffer from laws. -- Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Roman historian, AD 56 - c. 120 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+n1xWuv+09NZUB1oRAhCbAJ9g1y621D/roxDsSJC5Rw+PCPG8lQCeLmdD 6Scn2mpPcCbCfPKLfgipC40= =df7H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bills at right-net.com Fri Apr 18 04:22:43 2003 From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Existing Private Archive to Public Archive In-Reply-To: <20030418020054.GB2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bill Selmeier wrote: > > I'm using Mailman 2.0.11 and Exim version 3.35 mail server. I have > > successfully converted all the previous majordomo archives to Mailman > > mboxes in the mailman/private/ directory. > > I'm not sure if I follow exactly what point you're at. Do you have the > archives working in Mailman as private archives or do you only have the > mboxes created? > I have private archives going back years that are viewable as private archives. When I change to public they dissappear from the web access and any attempt to get to the archives results in The requested URL /mailman/archives/listname/ was not found on this server. Change back to private and they are there again. I checked and it appears the correct symlinks are being created. I've changed their ownership to list since that was the owner in the Private directory where they worked. Still doesn't work and I'm stumped again. Bill > If you have private archives in Mailman and want to make them public, you > should only have to toggle the public/private radio button on the archives > page of the web admin area for the list. > > If you haven't gotten the archives completely converted from majordomo yet > you will need to use the arch command in ~mailman/bin to create the html > archives. > > The mbox files should be in: > > ~mailman/archives/private/.mbox/.mbox > > Am I understanding you correctly? If so, I hope this helps. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ============================================================================ > Formerly we suffered from crimes; now we suffer from laws. > -- Publius Cornelius Tacitus, Roman historian, AD 56 - c. 120 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE+n1xWuv+09NZUB1oRAhCbAJ9g1y621D/roxDsSJC5Rw+PCPG8lQCeLmdD > 6Scn2mpPcCbCfPKLfgipC40= > =df7H > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bills at right-net.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bills%40right-net.com > From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Apr 18 04:51:20 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:51:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Existing Private Archive to Public Archive In-Reply-To: References: <20030418020054.GB2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030418025120.GC2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Selmeier wrote: > I have private archives going back years that are viewable as > private archives. When I change to public they dissappear from the web > access and any attempt to get to the archives results in > > The requested URL /mailman/archives/listname/ was not found on this > server. Is there anything in your apache error logs? Perhaps you don't have the FollowSymlinks option set? Do you have other lists with public archives that work correctly? > Change back to private and they are there again. I checked and it appears > the correct symlinks are being created. I've changed their ownership to > list since that was the owner in the Private directory where they worked. You might want to run check_perms to make sure the permissions are right. You shouldn't have to mess with the symlinks that mailman creates to the private directory where the archives are actually stored. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Private property was the original source of freedom. It still is it's main bulwark. -- Walter Lippmann -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+n2gouv+09NZUB1oRAtJbAKDWlwHrQ5+hGWAl7zNLVMC+eOe47ACgjiqY +bcoFeUltgZP3YKh3WesASI= =C3XA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Fri Apr 18 04:59:13 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 02:59:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading 2.0.13 to latest Message-ID: <1050638235.1703.9.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Can I just install the newest RPM on the same system, and everything will continue to work?? From bills at right-net.com Fri Apr 18 07:12:44 2003 From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Existing Private Archive to Public Archive In-Reply-To: <20030418025120.GC2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bill Selmeier wrote: > > I have private archives going back years that are viewable as > > private archives. When I change to public they dissappear from the web > > access and any attempt to get to the archives results in > > > > The requested URL /mailman/archives/listname/ was not found on this > > server. > > Is there anything in your apache error logs? Perhaps you don't have the > FollowSymlinks option set? Do you have other lists with public archives > that work correctly? You may have hit on the problem. I have no previous public archives. The apache error logs show: [Thu Apr 17 19:00:46 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.10] script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/archives When I look in the domain, I see no reference to FollowSymlinks. so I've added "Options FollowSymLinks" to the virtual domain directory information for domains that have mail lists as referenced in the FAQ at: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000150.html But I still have an unresolved URL error message. Do I have to manually create a pointer to the area where the archives are? It worked for private. The Public is a directory parallel to the private. There must be something more required in the Apache configuration? > > > Change back to private and they are there again. I checked and it appears > > the correct symlinks are being created. I've changed their ownership to > > list since that was the owner in the Private directory where they worked. > > You might want to run check_perms to make sure the permissions are right. > You shouldn't have to mess with the symlinks that mailman creates to the > private directory where the archives are actually stored. > Came back "No Problems Found" > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ============================================================================ > Private property was the original source of freedom. It still is it's main > bulwark. > -- Walter Lippmann > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE+n2gouv+09NZUB1oRAtJbAKDWlwHrQ5+hGWAl7zNLVMC+eOe47ACgjiqY > +bcoFeUltgZP3YKh3WesASI= > =C3XA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bills at right-net.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bills%40right-net.com > From bayard at generationjava.com Fri Apr 18 16:57:37 2003 From: bayard at generationjava.com (Henri Yandell) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Denying all non-subscriber mail Message-ID: I'm using Mailman version 2.0. Is there any way in which to not have posts from non-subscribers held, but have them automatically refused? The list is getting far too much spam for me to keep going to the html interface to handle each one individually. Thanks, Hen From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 18 17:12:48 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:12:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some problems after 2.0.13 to 2.1.1 upgrade In-Reply-To: <20030418010638.GA38388@csua.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 02:33:45PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: > > For your second problem: > > > > 1. The ability to modify a list's web_page_url attribute which was > > available in MM 2.0.13 was removed from the web admin GUI in 2.1 > > That's a strange choice, was this meant to make it harder to fix the > kind of problem like we're having here? > Barry Warsaw, MM dev supremo reckons it was a good change as too many list admins were editing the web_page_url via the GUI and getting it wrong; then the list admin and users couldn't access the list's admin or user GUI until the site admin had corrected the foul up, from the command line. If you are site admin of an installation supporting hundreds of lists with similarly large numbers of list admins, capable of making mistakes, you can see his point. > > > > 2. You can use the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py script in conjunction with > > $prefix/bin/withlist script. Both output their usage if you run them with > > the --help option. > > > > Thanks, this helped. However, I am wondering, is there a reason this > value has to be stored in the list specific data files instead of > picking up the global value of DEFAULT_URL_HOST? > > Once you have got DEFAULT_URL_HOST set to the correct value in mm_cfg.py, new lists will all incorporate that value into their web_page_url. I guess that in order to support virtual hosts MM needs a per-list attribute to identify which virtual host the the list is associated with. The web_page_url attribute serves that purpose with the FQDN from the web_page_url acting as the key to to the mapping to email domain FQDN defined by add_virtualhost() entries in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py > -akop > > From bayard at generationjava.com Fri Apr 18 17:24:11 2003 From: bayard at generationjava.com (Henri Yandell) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Denying all non-subscriber mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk wrote: > bayard at generationjava.com wrote: > > > > I'm using Mailman version 2.0. > > > > Is there any way in which to not have posts from non-subscribers held, but > > have them automatically refused? > > > > The list is getting far too much spam for me to keep going to the html > > interface to handle each one individually. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Hen > > > > Upgrade to MM 2.1.1 and you will find exactly the capability you want. > > If you absolutely cannot upgrade then this item in the Mailman FAQ may help: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.012.htp Thanks for the reply. Will do one of the two depending on which version of Mailman ships with SuSE 8.2 as I'm upgrading the machine anyway. Thanks, Hen From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 18 18:43:10 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:43:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Help Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: bob at bergey.net wrote: > I've been running mailing lists (currently about 40 of them) for more than > six years using Macjordomo as the list server, SIMS as the mail server, > currently running on an old Mac 7600/OS 9.1 on a DSL connection with static > IP. But for several reasons, I need to make some significant changes as far > as the list server is concerned, and Mailman seems to have everything I > need. > > Except I need some help to get started. I'd prefer running Mailman on my own > server rather than use another provider. What kind of hardware power do I > need for Mailman? Some of my lists generate as many as 100 messages a day to > 600 or more subscribers -- not a huge amount, but not insignificant either. > On average I deliver somewhere between 75,000 and 150,000 individual > messages/day. I'm considering one of these three choices for hardware: > > - I have a beige Mac G3/300 capable of running OSX 10.2.5 that > I could dedicate to Mailman -- but I'm wondering if that's > powerful enough for my needs? > If you've got the machine available then I would try this approach as a start. If you are maintaining the quoted level of traffic using a 7600 with presumably not much better than a PPC604E at 180Mhz then a G3/300 should eat the problem assuming you've got a resonable amount of real memory and disk space. Well it would with LinuxPPC, I'm not sure about Mac OS X; my old iBook ran like a dog with early Mac OS X, despite having the maximum RAM supported by the hardware and disk upgraded from 3.2 to 30 Gb, but it soldiers on as personal site web server and gateway running YellowDog Linux. > - I could buy a new eMac G4/700 for under $1,000 (I'd really like > to stay under $1,000 if I have to buy a new machine), also > running OSX 10.2.5. > For a server I wouldn't go this route even though I have been a Mac user since orginal Mac Plus days and still quite like using them - for the right task that is. > - I could buy a PC running Linux (?) -- which I know nothing > about, but I guess it's not impossible to learn . I've got a > spare monitor I could use, and I assume I could buy a machine > for under $1,000? > A comodity PC is, IMHO, likely to give you the best bang for your buck. a 1Ghz or better CPU 256Mb main memory and 60 Gb disk is going to cost you say $600 or less - in the UK I wouldn't be paying any more than 400 pounds sterling in the present market. For this sort of server work you probably do not want to pay premium pricing for 2Ghz+ CPUs and I suspect you do not need to venture into expensive SCSI disk drives either; plain commodity IDE will server. You do not need fancy sound, multimedia and graphics cards, although I would get a combo DVD reader/CD-writer or better. Also you can just buy the hardware, without paying the Gates Tax for a Windows OS, just to chuck those installation CDs in a drawer. A decent Linux distribution will give you all the Open Software you want and if you are really tight for cash, and given you have a DSL line, you can download. That's OK for upgrades but I would spring for the DVD/CD distribution media for a reputable Linux distribution to get started. Installing modern Linux distributions is much easier than of yore and I personally find that, once over the initial learning curve (with the help of a book on Linux Admin for Beginners in my case), doing systems admin is more straightforward with Linux than I suspect it is with Mac OS X; some tasks are not that simple and trying to wrap a GUI around them tends, for me, to cause more problems than the GUI solves. I find the installing software on Mac OS X is a pain and because I've ultimately got no idea what is being put where by the damned installer; yes, I guess I am too lazy to learn the minutiae of Mac OS X which is after all just UNIX with a GUI slathered on top. By comparison, installing from RPMs with Linux is easy and a simple command will tell me exactly what files the RPM installed as part of any given package. > Which would you recommend? (I'm a long-time Mac user -- since 1985 -- and am > very comfortable working in the Macintosh environment, so I'd prefer running > Mailman on a Mac if that's not too unreasonable or disadvantageous. But I'm > open to other options.) > > Also, I've downloaded the Mailman software, read through most of the install > documentation and the online FAQ, and although I know enough to set up and > run Macjordomo, SIMS, and do things like design and maintain my own Web > sites, the Install file of Mailman is very intimidating to me and I'm over > my head, I'm afraid ... so I'm wondering if it's possible to hire someone to > install Mailman for me, and assuming it is, what would be a reasonable cost > to expect to pay for installation? Once Mailman is installed and running, I > expect to be able to create, configure and manage my lists without much (if > any) further help. > If you take a Linux distribution like say Suse 8.2 Professional(http://www.suse.com) it comes with Mailman 2.1.1 (the latest stable release), and a choice of MTAs (Sendmail and Postfix) ready built for binary installation when you install the OS to start with or at some time later. The same is true with RedHat (http://www.redhat.com, Debian (http://www.debian.com) and others, but I'm less familiar with those; a quick look at web sites showed Debian offering rather ancient MM 2.0.11 or 2.0.13 packages and Redhat 9 with the superceded MM 2.1 > Oh, one other possible option ... I lease space on several UNIX servers for > Web sites with a few dozen different domains -- would running Mailman on one > of those be a possibility? I have shell access but can't do things like > restart the server on my own (I don't have physical access to those > servers). > The problem you are likely to have with this is that you will probably need root access to fully install Mailman. You would probably also need to set things up so that the mail aliases associated with your lists are recognised by the MTA on the server and, again, this usually means having root access at some point. Best of luck with whichever solution you chose. > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Bob > > P.S. Thanks to Kathleen Weber, if she's still on the list, for her post in > the archives on installing Mailman on a Mac running OSX -- very encouraging > (if also a little intimidating) . > -- > ====================================================================== > Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA > Internet Services for the Printing Industry > Web Hosting & E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NET > ======================================================================> From mike at miis.edu Fri Apr 18 19:01:43 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 Message-ID: Still trying to get this working. I found a bit of information from yesterday, telling me to install the Python Development RPM if I installed mailman from a Linux package manager. After that, and adding this to my mm_cfg.py MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias' POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap' And clicking on the "create list" from the /mailman/create page. I don't want to give up yet, but this is my 4th day at this. Is there another good listserv program out there that anyone would recomend? Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create _update_maps() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 137 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://listserv.miis.edu/mailman/create SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at listserv.miis.edu Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST listserv.miis.edu SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME listserv.miis.edu REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.1.3 REMOTE_PORT 53109 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us UNIQUE_ID oFju-X8AAAEAAAbnDbcAAAAG SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.23 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html From mike at CamaroSS.net Fri Apr 18 19:05:12 2003 From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00f401c305cc$acec2410$af01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> What happens if you run: /usr/bin/python -V If you get something like: Unknown option: -V usage: python [option] ... [-c cmd | file | -] [arg] ... Options and arguments (and corresponding environment variables): -d : debug output from parser (also PYTHONDEBUG=x) -i : inspect interactively after running script, (also PYTHONINSPECT=x) then you are using the wrong version of python. If you do have python2 installed, look in /usr/bin and see what the actual executable is...it's /usr/bin/python2.2 on my systems. Then you need to run ./configure again and use the --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2 option. HTH -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gideon Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:02 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 Still trying to get this working. I found a bit of information from yesterday, telling me to install the Python Development RPM if I installed mailman from a Linux package manager. After that, and adding this to my mm_cfg.py MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [] POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias' POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap' And clicking on the "create list" from the /mailman/create page. I don't want to give up yet, but this is my 4th day at this. Is there another good listserv program out there that anyone would recomend? Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create _update_maps() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 137 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://listserv.miis.edu/mailman/create SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at listserv.miis.edu Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST listserv.miis.edu SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME listserv.miis.edu REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.1.3 REMOTE_PORT 53109 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us UNIQUE_ID oFju-X8AAAEAAAbnDbcAAAAG SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.23 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Apr 18 19:10:30 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:10:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030418171030.GE2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gideon wrote: > Still trying to get this working. I found a bit of information from > yesterday, telling me to install the Python Development RPM if I installed > mailman from a Linux package manager. After that, and adding this to my > mm_cfg.py > MTA = 'Postfix' > POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [] > POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias' > POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap' > > And clicking on the "create list" from the /mailman/create page. So far, so good. > I don't want to give up yet, but this is my 4th day at this. Is there > another good listserv program out there that anyone would recomend? There's nothing wrong with Mailman, you just have to follow all of the appropriate README* files. In this case, you need to read (or re-read) README.POSTFIX. > Bug in Mailman version 2.1 > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > Traceback: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main > process_request(doc, cgidata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request > sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create > _update_maps() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps > raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) > RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias > /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) This is a FAQ. See: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp Your permissions on data/aliases are likely incorrect. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Politicians never accuse you of 'greed' for wanting other people's money -- only for wanting to keep your own money. -- Joseph Sobran -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+oDGFuv+09NZUB1oRAlcXAKCGW1mwcf4IujhtwqrMe/mHWBUUMgCfZx2B cx4HrwDM6IEAyduFSpbqmLQ= =Ktml -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From adam-mailman at yellowduck.co.uk Fri Apr 18 19:14:51 2003 From: adam-mailman at yellowduck.co.uk (Adam Curtin) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:14:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How safely to truncate the mbox file? Message-ID: <200304181814.51380.adam-mailman@yellowduck.co.uk> My arhives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox is 14 months old, and 200Mb. It's a pain it being so large, because it changes every day so my nightly backups write 199Mb of unchanged data to tape every morning. I've looked in the FAQ and documentation, and apart from editing the file to remove unwanted messages, I can't see an explanation of truncating the file without harming future archives. I'd like to: $ mv list.mbox list.mbox.sv && touch list.mbox $ gzip -9 list.mbox.sv ... or equivalent, through an entry in logrotate.d Will this be OK? Will existing archives remain untouched, and future ones be safe? The list starts new archives weekly - is there an ideal moment to do this truncation, e.g. 00:00 Monday? On a related note, I'd like to remove the offering to download the gzip'd mbox - how do I do that? Thanks in advance, A. -- I love donkey, donkey don't lie; I love donkey, almost much as pie. From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Fri Apr 18 19:19:55 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:19:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Existing Private Archive to Public Archive In-Reply-To: References: <20030418025120.GC2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030418171955.GF2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Selmeier wrote: > You may have hit on the problem. I have no previous public archives. The > apache error logs show: > > [Thu Apr 17 19:00:46 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.10] script not found > or unable to stat: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/archives > > When I look in the domain, I see no reference to FollowSymlinks. so I've > added "Options FollowSymLinks" to the virtual domain directory > information for domains that have mail lists as referenced in the FAQ at: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000150.html > > But I still have an unresolved URL error message. Do I have to manually > create a pointer to the area where the archives are? It worked for > private. The Public is a directory parallel to the private. There must > be something more required in the Apache configuration? Yes. Have you followed step 4. "Final System Setup" in the INSTALL file? It details the creation of apache directives for the archives and cg scripts. I have this in my apache config: # # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks Just adjust the paths as appropriate for your mailman install and -HUP or restart apache. You definitely want to go through the INSTALL file and any appropriate README files to make sure you've got things setup properly, otherwise you'll just go from one stumbling block to the next, which is no fun. :) HTH, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ He who knows others is wise; He knows himself is enlightened. -- Lao-Tzu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+oDO7uv+09NZUB1oRAipvAKCKvO7PIKSr4Uw9Av5nhztf5X2NawCfZ7R3 4XT9qiNdSdmSDsE+wnwqTCo= =yqO/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mike at miis.edu Fri Apr 18 19:21:41 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:21:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 In-Reply-To: <00f401c305cc$acec2410$af01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> References: <00f401c305cc$acec2410$af01a8c0@home.middlefinger.net> Message-ID: I get Pythaon 2.2.2 Todd got me straightened out. I need to thank him. I read that portion of the readme about the owner and permissions on the data/aliases and glanced them over - assuming that RedHat installer set them up right. I'm still get this [root at listserv mailman]# service mailman start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found when I try to start the mailman service. I think this is the root of my problems, but it is greek to me. Mike "Mike Kercher" writes: >What happens if you run: > >/usr/bin/python -V > >If you get something like: > >Unknown option: -V >usage: python [option] ... [-c cmd | file | -] [arg] ... >Options and arguments (and corresponding environment variables): >-d : debug output from parser (also PYTHONDEBUG=x) >-i : inspect interactively after running script, (also >PYTHONINSPECT=x) > >then you are using the wrong version of python. If you do have python2 >installed, look in /usr/bin and see what the actual executable is...it's >/usr/bin/python2.2 on my systems. Then you need to run ./configure again >and use the --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.2 option. > >HTH > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of >Mike Gideon >Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:02 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 > > >Still trying to get this working. I found a bit of information from >yesterday, telling me to install the Python Development RPM if I installed >mailman from a Linux package manager. After that, and adding this to my >mm_cfg.py MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [] >POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias' POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = >'/usr/sbin/postmap' > >And clicking on the "create list" from the /mailman/create page. I don't >want to give up yet, but this is my 4th day at this. Is there another >good >listserv program out there that anyone would recomend? > > >Bug in Mailman version 2.1 >We're sorry, we hit a bug! >If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of >this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what >happened. Thanks! >Traceback: >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main > main() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main > process_request(doc, cgidata) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request > sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create > _update_maps() > File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in _update_maps > raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) >RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias >/var/mailman/data/aliases >(status: 1, Operation not permitted) > > > >Python information: >Variable Value >sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red >Hat >Linux 3.2.2-4)] >sys.executable /usr/bin/python >sys.prefix /usr >sys.exec_prefix /usr >sys.path /usr >sys.platform linux2 > >Environment variables: >Variable Value >CONTENT_LENGTH 137 >CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded >HTTP_REFERER http://listserv.miis.edu/mailman/create >SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/create >PYTHONPATH /var/mailman >SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) >SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost >SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create >SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at listserv.miis.edu Port 80 > >REQUEST_METHOD POST >HTTP_HOST listserv.miis.edu >SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 >QUERY_STRING >HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache >REQUEST_URI /mailman/create >HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, >application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, >application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* >HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) > >HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive >SERVER_NAME listserv.miis.edu >REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.1.3 >REMOTE_PORT 53109 >HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us >UNIQUE_ID oFju-X8AAAEAAAbnDbcAAAAG >SERVER_PORT 80 >GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 >HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate >SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.23 >DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at miis.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40miis.edu > From mike at miis.edu Fri Apr 18 19:26:41 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:26:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 In-Reply-To: <20030418171030.GE2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20030418171030.GE2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: Hi Todd, Thanx! You are right. I must apologize. I read through the readme, and gave the owner/ rights a once over. They looked okay when I looked. I need to be a little more maticulate, and not assume it was set up right in the first place. Did you know that right off the top of your head? Do you have any idea why I get this message when I try and start the mailman service? [root at listserv mailman]# service mailman start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main check_privs() File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found I do have a mailman group and it is numberd 41. I remember a few years ago reading something about mailman being group 41 when i was playing with an older version of mailman. Mike Todd writes: >This is a FAQ. See: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp > >Your permissions on data/aliases are likely incorrect. From mike at miis.edu Fri Apr 18 19:35:22 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <, > <20030418171030.GE2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <,> Message-ID: My brain is hurting today, I am obviously working backwards today. I read the INSTALL file you just recommended to someone else this morning. I installed the TARBALL to different machine because redhat did not give me any docs, anyway bin/check_perms give me [root at listserv mailman]# bin/check_perms Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/check_perms", line 51, in ? MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found I guess I should just make a new thread on that. I can't find anything from google on it. "Mike Gideon" writes: >Hi Todd, >Thanx! You are right. I must apologize. I read through the readme, and >gave the owner/ rights a once over. They looked okay when I looked. I >need to be a little more maticulate, and not assume it was set up right in >the first place. Did you know that right off the top of your head? > >Do you have any idea why I get this message when I try and start the >mailman service? >[root at listserv mailman]# service mailman start >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > main() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > check_privs() > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] >KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > > >I do have a mailman group and it is numberd 41. I remember a few years >ago reading something about mailman being group 41 when i was playing with >an older version of mailman. > >Mike > > > >Todd writes: >>This is a FAQ. See: >> >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp >> >>Your permissions on data/aliases are likely incorrect. > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at miis.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40miis.edu From mike at nthwave.net Sat Apr 19 04:14:39 2003 From: mike at nthwave.net (Michael Mell) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:14:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] alternative Apache configurations of Mailman? Message-ID: Are there ways to configure Mailman with Apache other than as outlined in the Mailman INSTALL document? In Apache, I do a mod_rewrite on every http request so that each request is routed to a template which then includes the requested page. Using the standard ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ along with my url rewrite: RewriteRule ^/mailman(.*) /template.shtml when I hit /mailman/admin/mylist, I get a "405 Method Not Allowed" (which in this case I interpret as saying "no script was found there"). So the issue is this: how can I configure Mailman+Apache so that Mailman scripts can be executed when included in an html page in the document directory. many thanks mike -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Teddy Roosevelt Of the tyrant, spies and informers are the principal instruments.? War is his favorite occupation, for the sake of engrossing the attention of the people, and making himself necessary to them as their leader. -- Aristotle I do not wish to support a country, a government or an economy which depends on war for its continued health. -- Mike Mell From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Sat Apr 19 16:38:57 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:38:57 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP! I just screwed a clients database! Message-ID: <1050766616.2887.23.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> I don't know WHAT I did, or even if I did it, but a clients database is screwed. There is no backups avavlible, the backup guy is on holiday, and this is a BIG office Bascially, I copied all the data from MySQL on one machine, and put it on another, but for some reason, all the data is in ONE record. I'm no database expert, but I know that's bad. After consulting with the owners of the database, I find this is not the first time it's happend, there is an error in one of thier copy scripts, and they forgot to tell me. But what I need to do is EXTRACT all the data into seperate files. This is not easy to automate, because not all the records have the same number of fields, and not all fields are even used. The unique key for each record is the email address. How would I grep for email address, and then strip out the ENTIRE record? The data is structured in such a way that it goes, email address - data - email address. The data could be phone number, contact name, postal address, fax machine, or a combination of the above. Anyhelp would REALLY be appreciated! TIA From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 19 17:22:34 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:22:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <, > <20030418171030.GE2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <,> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030419151554.00ac4ce0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Mike I doubt this is a bug in Mailman. It is an installation anomaly (aka foulup). At 18:35 18/04/2003, Mike Gideon wrote: >My brain is hurting today, I am obviously working backwards today. >I read the INSTALL file you just recommended to someone else this morning. >I installed the TARBALL to different machine because redhat did not give >me any docs, anyway >bin/check_perms give me > >[root at listserv mailman]# bin/check_perms >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 51, in ? > MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] >KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found Having read the Mailman INSTALL file carefully, when you ran ./configure prior to installing Mailman you either defined the Mailman User and Mailman Group using --with-username and --with-groupname options or you let the defaults of 'mailman' and 'mailman' be used. You did this after verifying that both the user and group were defined on your system. You could of course check this, on Linux, from the command line, substituting for the user and group names you plan on using, as follows: If you are using files for user and group information: barrett at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> grep mailman /etc/passwd mailman:x:????:18:The Mailman:????:???? barrett at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> grep mailman /etc/group mailman:*:18:mailman (I have substituted ???? in the above for information I do not want to reveal about my system) or if you are using NIS barrett at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> ypcat passwd | grep mailman mailman:x:????:18:The Mailman:????:???? barrett at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> ypcat group | grep mailman mailman:*:18:mailman The consequence the ./configure is that during the make install two Mailman configuration variables were defined in the file $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. Typically, if you let ./configure take the defaults, Defaults.py will contain the lines, amongst many other things: MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' The exception, when you are running $prefix/bin/check_perms, is telling you that when it tries to use the Python grp module to determine the numeric gid of the group Mailman should run as, it could not find a definition for that Mailman Group name. One way or another, the exception is telling you the Mailman Group is not properly defined. You can try for yourself by running Python from the command line as follows, just make sure to run with $prefix/bin as current working directory or you will get an exception when importing paths. If all is well you will get the following results. If the Mailman group is misconfigured then your get an exception to the call to the grp.getgrnam function, just as the check_perms script is doing: barrett at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> python Python 2.2.2 (#3, Feb 11 2003, 16:57:53) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (SuSE)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import paths >>> from Mailman import mm_cfg >>> from Mailman.mm_cfg import MAILMAN_USER, MAILMAN_GROUP >>> print MAILMAN_USER, MAILMAN_GROUP mailman mailman >>> import grp >>> MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] >>> print MAILMAN_GID 18 >>> import sys >>> sys.exit() barrett at mailman2:/mailman/run/bin> If the Mailman User and Group are correctly defined, you ran ./configure with the right options/values and you are still getting the problem with check_perms after doing the make install you should post again to the list with further information. >I guess I should just make a new thread on that. I can't find anything >from google on it. > >"Mike Gideon" writes: > >Hi Todd, > >Thanx! You are right. I must apologize. I read through the readme, and > >gave the owner/ rights a once over. They looked okay when I looked. I > >need to be a little more maticulate, and not assume it was set up right in > >the first place. Did you know that right off the top of your head? > > > >Do you have any idea why I get this message when I try and start the > >mailman service? > >[root at listserv mailman]# service mailman start > >Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 524, in ? > > main() > > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 319, in main > > check_privs() > > File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 274, in check_privs > > gid = grp.getgrnam(mm_cfg.MAILMAN_GROUP)[2] > >KeyError: getgrnam(): name not found > > > > > >I do have a mailman group and it is numberd 41. I remember a few years > >ago reading something about mailman being group 41 when i was playing with > >an older version of mailman. > > > >Mike > > > > > > > >Todd writes: > >>This is a FAQ. See: > >> > >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.009.htp > >> > >>Your permissions on data/aliases are likely incorrect. > > From gaf at blu.org Sat Apr 19 17:37:09 2003 From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 11:37:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP! I just screwed a clients database! In-Reply-To: <1050766616.2887.23.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1050766616.2887.23.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <20030419113709.6b315d4e.gaf@blu.org> On 19 Apr 2003 15:36:56 +0000 Angel Gabriel wrote: > I don't know WHAT I did, or even if I did it, but a clients database > is screwed. There is no backups avavlible, the backup guy is on > holiday, and this is a BIG office > > Bascially, I copied all the data from MySQL on one machine, and put it > on another, but for some reason, all the data is in ONE record. I'm no > database expert, but I know that's bad. After consulting with the > owners of the database, I find this is not the first time it's > happend, there is an error in one of thier copy scripts, and they > forgot to tell me. But what I need to do is EXTRACT all the data into > seperate files. > > This is not easy to automate, because not all the records have the > same number of fields, and not all fields are even used. The unique > key for each record is the email address. How would I grep for email > address, and then strip out the ENTIRE record? The data is structured > in such a way that it goes, email address - data - email address. The > data could be phone number, contact name, postal address, fax machine, > or a combination of the above. I don't know why this is on a mailman list but... 1. Use the mysqldump utility to dump the database. This produces all the appropriate commends to load a new database. ex: mysqldump -h myhost -u -p dbname > dbname.bak.sql 2. create the new database: ex. mysqladmin -h myhost -u -p create dbname 3. Restore from your backup: mysql -h myhost -u -p dbname < dbname.bak.sql That should restore everything properly into the new database. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 From edc at proadmin.com Sat Apr 19 20:41:14 2003 From: edc at proadmin.com (Eric D. Christensen) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 18:41:14 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Traceback from cron/disabled after 2.11.udate Message-ID: <1050777636.24290.95.camel@o3> I'm getting an error when running cron/disabled after updating from 2.0 to 2.1.1. I suspect this is due to something that got corrupted / confused / boggled in the upgrade process, but I'm not finding any clues. Just wondering if anyone else had run into this before I devote time tracking it down (which could take awhile with my miserable python skills). This is from a list that has existing for severl years and has survived though several mailman upgrades. I'm concerned that there my be rubbish in one of the pickled db files that might be causing other problems that I'm not aware of yet.... Traceback (most recent call last): File "../cron/disabled", line 209, in ? main() File "../cron/disabled", line 168, in main mlist.disableBouncingMember(member, info, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 163, in disableBouncingMember self.sendNextNotification(member) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 243, in sendNextNotification {'listname' : self.real_name, File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in getMemberPassword raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: mosterbrink at saturnee.com The address in question IS a member, and interestingly enough, doesn't show as disabled form the admin interface or when running list_members --nomail. I also find in the error log: Apr 18 18:07:05 2003 (29034) Uncaught runner exception: mosterbrink at saturnee.comApr 18 18:07:05 2003 (29034) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 126, in _dispose mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 155, in registerBounce self.disableBouncingMember(member, info, msg) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 163, in disableBouncingMember self.sendNextNotification(member) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 243, in sendNextNotification {'listname' : self.real_name, File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 102, in getMemberPassword raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member NotAMemberError: mosterbrink at saturnee.com Apr 18 18:07:05 2003 (29034) SHUNTING: 1050714405.7204649+8f6a162efa552e48101820d5a680dba33c29e4c5 Anyone have any ideas? -- Eric D. Christensen Proadmin, Inc. From marilyn at deliberate.com Sat Apr 19 23:41:01 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual url confusion Message-ID: Hi Mailmen and Mailwomen, My understanding is that if I add this to my mm_cfg.py: add_virtualhost('mail.vanity.com', 'vanity.com') and make a new list like this: /usr/local/bin/newlist testc2 at vanity.com That the url should be: http://mail.vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 But the Welcome message drops the "mail." and just says: http://vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 What am I doing wrong? Marilyn Davis ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:24:36 -0700 From: testc2-request at vanity.com To: marilyn at testplace.com Subject: Welcome to the "Testc2" mailing list Welcome to the Testc2 at vanity.com mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: testc2 at vanity.com General information about the mailing list is at: http://vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://vanity.com/mailman/options/testc2/marilyn%40testplace.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: Testc2-request at vanity.com with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: xxxxxxxx Normally, Mailman will remind you of your vanity.com mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 20 10:44:06 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:44:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual url confusion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030420094246.03affe98@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 22:41 19/04/2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: >Hi Mailmen and Mailwomen, > >My understanding is that if I add this to my mm_cfg.py: >add_virtualhost('mail.vanity.com', 'vanity.com') The comment in Defaults.py says: # with virtual domains). You use "add_virtualhost(urlfqdn, emailfqdn)" to add # new mappings. Is this the problem? >and make a new list like this: > >/usr/local/bin/newlist testc2 at vanity.com > >That the url should be: > > http://mail.vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > >But the Welcome message drops the "mail." and just says: > > http://vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > >What am I doing wrong? > >Marilyn Davis > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:24:36 -0700 >From: testc2-request at vanity.com >To: marilyn at testplace.com >Subject: Welcome to the "Testc2" mailing list > >Welcome to the Testc2 at vanity.com mailing list! > >To post to this list, send your email to: > > testc2 at vanity.com > >General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > >If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to >or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your >subscription page at: > > http://vanity.com/mailman/options/testc2/marilyn%40testplace.com > >You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > Testc2-request at vanity.com > >with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the >quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > >You must know your password to change your options (including changing >the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > xxxxxxxx > >Normally, Mailman will remind you of your vanity.com mailing list >passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you >prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to >unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on >your options page that will email your current password to you. > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > From marilyn at deliberate.com Sun Apr 20 15:54:04 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 06:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual url confusion In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030420094246.03affe98@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 22:41 19/04/2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: > >Hi Mailmen and Mailwomen, > > > >My understanding is that if I add this to my mm_cfg.py: > >add_virtualhost('mail.vanity.com', 'vanity.com') > > The comment in Defaults.py says: > > > # with virtual domains). You use "add_virtualhost(urlfqdn, emailfqdn)" to add > # new mappings. > > > Is this the problem? Unless my eyes have crossed from looking at it too long, I think that's what I am doing. "mail.vanity.com" is the url. I realize that, in fact, the mailman web pages do appear there, at "mail.vanity.com". It's only the email messages that drop the "mail" from the url. Maybe it's a bug. I'll put in a bug report unless someone can make me see my problem. Thank you for your thought. Marilyn > > > >and make a new list like this: > > > >/usr/local/bin/newlist testc2 at vanity.com > > > >That the url should be: > > > > http://mail.vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > > > >But the Welcome message drops the "mail." and just says: > > > > http://vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > > > >What am I doing wrong? > > > >Marilyn Davis > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:24:36 -0700 > >From: testc2-request at vanity.com > >To: marilyn at testplace.com > >Subject: Welcome to the "Testc2" mailing list > > > >Welcome to the Testc2 at vanity.com mailing list! > > > >To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > testc2 at vanity.com > > > >General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > http://vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > > > >If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > >or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > >subscription page at: > > > > http://vanity.com/mailman/options/testc2/marilyn%40testplace.com > > > >You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > > > Testc2-request at vanity.com > > > >with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > >quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > > >You must know your password to change your options (including changing > >the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > > > xxxxxxxx > > > >Normally, Mailman will remind you of your vanity.com mailing list > >passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > >prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > >unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > >your options page that will email your current password to you. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > > > > From dvanhorn at emba.uvm.edu Mon Apr 21 05:07:23 2003 From: dvanhorn at emba.uvm.edu (dvanhorn at emba.uvm.edu) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM-Stylesheet Message-ID: <1050894442.3ea3606b037d3@webmail.emba.uvm.edu> This is probably a silly question, but I've applied the patch mentioned here: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2003-February/014802.html to add stylesheet support to archives. After regenerating the archives, a tag appears. How can I set this variable so it is appropriately expanded? Thanks, David From bills at right-net.com Mon Apr 21 07:36:00 2003 From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting Existing Private Archive to Public Archive In-Reply-To: <20030418171955.GF2615@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: I think with the help from this list, we got it fixed finally. We did find two different definitions of the pipermail aliases in the apache http.conf file. Many thanks to Todd, r.barrett and others that helped zero in on the problem. In the domain UWSA.COM, as in United We Stand America, three of the archives are public and more will be as we get the agreement of list moderators. Bill Selmeier On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bill Selmeier wrote: > > You may have hit on the problem. I have no previous public archives. The > > apache error logs show: > > > > [Thu Apr 17 19:00:46 2003] [error] [client 192.168.1.10] script not found > > or unable to stat: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/archives > > > > When I look in the domain, I see no reference to FollowSymlinks. so I've > > added "Options FollowSymLinks" to the virtual domain directory > > information for domains that have mail lists as referenced in the FAQ at: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000150.html > > > > But I still have an unresolved URL error message. Do I have to manually > > create a pointer to the area where the archives are? It worked for > > private. The Public is a directory parallel to the private. There must > > be something more required in the Apache configuration? > > Yes. Have you followed step 4. "Final System Setup" in the INSTALL file? > It details the creation of apache directives for the archives and cg > scripts. I have this in my apache config: > > # > # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. > # > > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ > Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ > > Options +FollowSymlinks > > > Just adjust the paths as appropriate for your mailman install and -HUP or > restart apache. > > You definitely want to go through the INSTALL file and any appropriate > README files to make sure you've got things setup properly, otherwise you'll > just go from one stumbling block to the next, which is no fun. :) > > HTH, > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ============================================================================ > He who knows others is wise; He knows himself is enlightened. > -- Lao-Tzu > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE+oDO7uv+09NZUB1oRAipvAKCKvO7PIKSr4Uw9Av5nhztf5X2NawCfZ7R3 > 4XT9qiNdSdmSDsE+wnwqTCo= > =yqO/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bills at right-net.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bills%40right-net.com > From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 21 10:24:36 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:24:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual url confusion In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030420094246.03affe98@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030421092134.0445de30@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 14:54 20/04/2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: >On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Richard Barrett wrote: > > > At 22:41 19/04/2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: > > >Hi Mailmen and Mailwomen, > > > > > >My understanding is that if I add this to my mm_cfg.py: > > >add_virtualhost('mail.vanity.com', 'vanity.com') > > > > The comment in Defaults.py says: > > > > > > # with virtual domains). You use "add_virtualhost(urlfqdn, emailfqdn)" > to add > > # new mappings. > > > > > > Is this the problem? > >Unless my eyes have crossed from looking at it too long, I think >that's what I am doing. "mail.vanity.com" is the url. I realize >that, in fact, the mailman web pages do appear there, at >"mail.vanity.com". It's only the email messages that drop the "mail" >from the url. > >Maybe it's a bug. I'll put in a bug report unless someone can make me >see my problem. > >Thank you for your thought. > >Marilyn > > > > > > > > > >and make a new list like this: > > > > > >/usr/local/bin/newlist testc2 at vanity.com > > > > > >That the url should be: > > > > > > http://mail.vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > > > > > >But the Welcome message drops the "mail." and just says: > > > > > > http://vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > > > > > >What am I doing wrong? > > > Per the following quote from the $prefix/bin/newlist usage it appears that if your add_virtualhost() is correct you should have created the list by saying: /usr/local/bin/newlist testc2 at mail.vanity.com You can specify the domain to create your new list in by spelling the listname like so: mylist at www.mydom.ain where `www.mydom.ain' should be the base hostname for the URL to this virtual hosts's lists. E.g. with is setting people will view the general list overviews at http://www.mydom.ain/mailman/listinfo. Also, www.mydom.ain should be a key in the VIRTUAL_HOSTS mapping in mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py. It will be looked up to give the email hostname. If this can't be found, then www.mydom.ain will be used for both the web interface and the email interface. Using the URK domain not the mail domain on the newlist comment line is a little confusing but not, apparently, a bug. But then I could be wrong in my analysis. > > >Marilyn Davis > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > >Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 14:24:36 -0700 > > >From: testc2-request at vanity.com > > >To: marilyn at testplace.com > > >Subject: Welcome to the "Testc2" mailing list > > > > > >Welcome to the Testc2 at vanity.com mailing list! > > > > > >To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > > > testc2 at vanity.com > > > > > >General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > > > http://vanity.com/mailman/listinfo/testc2 > > > > > >If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > > >or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > > >subscription page at: > > > > > > http://vanity.com/mailman/options/testc2/marilyn%40testplace.com > > > > > >You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > > > > > Testc2-request at vanity.com > > > > > >with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > > >quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > > > > >You must know your password to change your options (including changing > > >the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > > > > > xxxxxxxx > > > > > >Normally, Mailman will remind you of your vanity.com mailing list > > >passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > > >prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > > >unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > > >your options page that will email your current password to you. > > > > > > > > > From aaron at rentech.net Mon Apr 21 15:15:28 2003 From: aaron at rentech.net (Aaron Ceraldi) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] user unknown Message-ID: <559A1386F3D64546A0F0E25F28322468DEDF2D@exchange.rentech.net> Helo, Im new to mailman, I have setup the server and it seams to work fine other than when I try to send to any address for any list I get something similar to what I have included below. dose anyone know of a cause and solution for this ? --begin--- 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.5/8.12.5; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:12:2 1 -0500 501 5.0.0 hello requires domain address 250 localhost.localdomain Hello [65.244.129.34], pleased to meet you 250 2.1.0 ... Sender ok 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown ---end--- Aaron Ceraldi (615) 254-8324 http://www.rentech.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 From stone at hkust.se Mon Apr 21 15:42:47 2003 From: stone at hkust.se (Magnus Stenman) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:42:47 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM-Stylesheet References: <1050894442.3ea3606b037d3@webmail.emba.uvm.edu> Message-ID: <3EA3F557.11B28238@hkust.se> use the latest version of the 687704 patch, the one you applied is quite old http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=687704&group_id=103&atid=300103 /magnus dvanhorn at emba.uvm.edu wrote: > > This is probably a silly question, but I've applied the patch mentioned here: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2003-February/014802.html > > to add stylesheet support to archives. After regenerating the archives, a > tag appears. How can I set this variable so it is appropriately > expanded? > > Thanks, > David > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: stone at hkust.se > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/stone%40hkust.se From li at adc.org Thu Apr 17 22:58:21 2003 From: li at adc.org (li at adc.org) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:58:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about backup the email lists Message-ID: Hi, I found the subject "How can I backup my Mailman lists/memebership/etc on a regular basis?" on Mailnam FAQ Entry. And it show me a nmh need to be installed. But the link http://www.mhost.com/nmh/ doesn't work any more. I searched from google and downloaded nmh-1.1-Rc1.tar.gz. I don't know if it is what I need. Could you tell me how I can use the nmh and how to put the scripts on? I want to buckup the membership list urgently. Thank you very much! Li naaa-adc.org From sherryml at bluesymphony.com Fri Apr 18 22:46:20 2003 From: sherryml at bluesymphony.com (Sherry) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:46:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some mail list members receive the email, some don't Message-ID: <003701c305eb$92028d00$46ff1f18@computer> Mail man version: 2.0.13 My web host recently changed our services. We now use Mailman. I do not have access to any of the mailman system directories. It appears that my web hosts are still trying to get familiar with Mailman. In the meantime, I have a mail list of over 2,000 members who aren't receiving the emails. Initially, about 5 members (out of 2,100) were receing the emails. My host made some changes, including adding a second mail port for those ISP that don't use port 25. I'm not sure of what other changes they made but after the changes, about, it appears that approximately 50-60 members received the emails (I also received about a dozen bouncebacks where I had received 0 before). They have not been able to determine what is preventing the entire list from receiving the emails. Their latest speculation is that the list encounters a domain that it can't connect to and keeps trying up to 500 times...apparently, this prevents the remaining list members from ever receiving the email. The mail list we used before the change would send the email to all good addresses and send me bouncebacks for all bad addresses....this is what I'd like to have happen now. Any recommendations you have that I can forward to my mail host would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 21 17:10:52 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:10:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] user unknown In-Reply-To: <559A1386F3D64546A0F0E25F28322468DEDF2D@exchange.rentech.ne t> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030421155946.032c1b10@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 14:15 21/04/2003, Aaron Ceraldi wrote: >Helo, >Im new to mailman, I have setup the server and it seams to work fine >other than when I try to send to any address for any list I get >something similar to what I have included below. dose anyone know of a >cause and solution for this ? > >--begin--- >220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.5/8.12.5; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 >09:12:2 >1 -0500 >501 5.0.0 hello requires domain address >250 localhost.localdomain Hello [65.244.129.34], pleased to meet you >250 2.1.0 ... Sender ok >550 5.1.1 ... User unknown >---end--- You appear to be using Sendmail and the symptoms you describe suggest you have not added the list's aliases to the aliases database. Usually, the list aliases are output when the list is created and you have to take some action to pass that information to the MTA. For example, with some Linux installations running Sendmail, you would: 1. append the aliases output by $prefix/bin/newlist to the file /etc/aliases or /etc/mail/aliases 2. run sendmail -bi or run make in /etc/mail/aliases >Aaron Ceraldi >(615) 254-8324 >http://www.rentech.net From marilyn at deliberate.com Mon Apr 21 17:34:39 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual url confusion In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030421092134.0445de30@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Richard Barrett wrote: > Per the following quote from the $prefix/bin/newlist usage it appears that > if your add_virtualhost() is correct you should have created the list by > saying: > > /usr/local/bin/newlist testc2 at mail.vanity.com Yes! You are right! Thank you so much. All is well now. Marilyn From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Mon Apr 21 17:55:30 2003 From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:55:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with install on RaQ4r w/Sendmail, smrsh and Mailman Message-ID: Greetings, Attempting to install MM 2.1.1 with Python 2.2.2 on a Sun Cobalt RaQ4r. So far, everything's working 100%, but there's one nasty issue that seems to be plaguing everyone using this type of setup. With the recent Sendmail exploits, we've had to patch using Solarspeed's latest two patches specifically for the RaQ4 series. That's gone perfectly, everything is running AOK for regular mail on this particular server. But, Mailman's not playing nice with Sendmail for the handling of any e-mail for Lists. All the config screens work without errors as far as MM goes, you can create lists and do everything involved with MM without a hitch. Has anyone here found a way to get smrsh to stop the 'Service Unavailable' problems? I've used a solid install method for MM that was posted past October, prior to the Sendmail/smrsh restriction issues. I've also tried the workarounds that were included with MM's packaging, but they either can't apply without interrupting some other vital function on the box or they don't have an effect. I've tried creating wrappers that should allow MM to call up Sendmail and tell smrsh to allow the call, but they still don't seem to have any effect. One thing to note is that when I had the stock wrapper installed, I got the Service Unavailable replies to post attempts. When I then created a wrapper 'mailman' in the same location, the e-mail attempts now go off into oblivion as though they transmitted correctly but then just die somewhere in cyberspace within the box. In this case we've eliminated the Majordomo that comes with the RaQ's as the default. This has obviously killed a large and vital List currently running from the box, but my timeframe for a solution is gone so I've got to get Mailman completely operational. Also, I dug into some .py files and discovered that this particular install has a default configuration for SMTPDirect instead of Sendmail. The .py explains what's set up, but not if that's causing my problem and simply changing that setting as the .py file says to do would eliminate the situation. Anyone with any ideas or assistance, please let me know! David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation - Global E-Pay Solutions www.nwcxpress.com - POSA, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions NWCWEB - Your design, hosting and e-commerce solution! www.nwcweb.com - Featuring Miva e-commerce and Sun Cobalt RaQ platforms David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation Global E-Pay Solutions www.nwcxpress.com From steve at openspirit.com Mon Apr 21 18:03:12 2003 From: steve at openspirit.com (Steve Mertz) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:03:12 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out of memory In-Reply-To: <1050602380.573.29.camel@nymph> References: <1050602380.573.29.camel@nymph> Message-ID: <1050940981.768.8.camel@nymph> Does anyone else have any ideas on how to solve this issue? Thanks, -- Steve On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 12:59, Steve Mertz wrote: > If you read my message, you will see that it's cPickle.dumps() that is > causing the memory error. Sending large emails (10+M) through just > sendmail works fine. > > The problem is with Mailman here.... > > On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 12:49, Sullivan, John wrote: > > It sounds like a problem with Send Mail. I'm not to familiar with the > > tweaking of sendmail maybe try posting it on their mailing lists. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Mertz [mailto:steve at openspirit.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:52 PM > > To: Sullivan, John > > Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org > > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: > > out of memory > > > > There is one user on the list. Myself. I set this up for testing before > > implementing (good thing I did!) > > > > -- Steve > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 12:43, Sullivan, John wrote: > > > How many users are on your list? > > > > > > I believe there's an option to lower the number of recipients that get > > > spooled at a time - I think default is 500 maybe you want to drop that > > down > > > to 50 or 100 and work you way up from there until you find a working > > > threshold. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steve Mertz [mailto:steve at openspirit.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:44 PM > > > To: Mailman-Users at python.org > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] sgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1): MemoryError: out > > > of memory > > > > > > When trying to send a large message (5M or larger) to a Mailman list, it > > > seems to puke due to lack of memory: > > > > > > > > > marcos:mailman {106} > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ? main() > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main qrunner.run() > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 59, in run > > > filecnt = self._oneloop() > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in _oneloop > > > self._shunt.enqueue(msg, msgdata) > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 91, in > > > enqueue > > > msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, 1) > > > MemoryError: out of memory > > > > > > I am running on OpenBSD 3.1, with 512M ram. Mailman 2.1.1. > > > > > > Running the mailman account with csh and here are the limits: > > > marcos:mailman {102} limit > > > cputime unlimited > > > filesize unlimited > > > datasize 65536 kbytes > > > stacksize 4096 kbytes > > > coredumpsize unlimited > > > memoryuse 481368 kbytes > > > memorylocked 160456 kbytes > > > maxproc 128 > > > openfiles 64 > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Steve Mertz > > > System Administrator > > > > > > OpenSpirit Corporation > > > 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 > > > Sugar Land, TX 77478 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: jsullivan at mlsnet.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsullivan%40mlsnet.com > > > > > -- > > Steve Mertz > > System Administrator > > > > OpenSpirit Corporation > > 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 > > Sugar Land, TX 77478 > > > -- > Steve Mertz > System Administrator > > OpenSpirit Corporation > 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 > Sugar Land, TX 77478 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: steve at openspirit.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/steve%40openspirit.com > -- Steve Mertz System Administrator OpenSpirit Corporation 77 Sugar Creek Centre Blvd, Suite 550 Sugar Land, TX 77478 From philkristen at earthlink.net Mon Apr 21 18:24:34 2003 From: philkristen at earthlink.net (Phil & Kristen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wireless Interference Story Message-ID: I'm Phil Davis, a freelance newspaper writer. I'm working on a story about interference issues between wireless network devices (like Apple's Airport) and cordless phones, microwaves and other devices. I would like to interview any of you folks who have had to deal with conflicts in your home networks. Please email me back in the next few days at californiadog at apple.com. Thanks, Phil From philkristen at earthlink.net Mon Apr 21 18:39:51 2003 From: philkristen at earthlink.net (Phil & Kristen) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:39:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correction: Wireless Interference Message-ID: Please respond to philkristen at earthlink.net, not the apple email address. Forgot I let that lapse. Sorry. Previous message: I'm Phil Davis, a freelance newspaper writer. I'm working on a story about interference issues between wireless network devices (like Apple's Airport) and cordless phones, microwaves and other devices. I would like to interview any of you folks who have had to deal with conflicts in your home networks. Please email me back in the next few days at philkristen at earthlink.net. Thanks, Phil From alexis at ventanazul.com Mon Apr 21 19:35:40 2003 From: alexis at ventanazul.com (Alexis Bellido) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:35:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Plesk Mailman 2.1.1 problems Message-ID: <007001c3082c$7ff98cb0$6401a8c0@pcwin> Hello i have 2 problems: 1. I installed Mailman 2.1.1 on my Linux Red Hat 7.2 Server, i use Plesk 2.5 RPM version as web hosting control panel. You can see the instructions i followed here: http://forum.plesk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6914&highlight=mailman Before installing 2.1.1 i used 2.0.9 and i installed using this http://forum.plesk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4009&highlight=mailman I have change because of new multiple language option and better options for virtual domains. With my 2.0.9 installation i had to use multiple installations, one for each domain, example: /usr/local/mailman/domain1.com /usr/local/mailman/domain2.com It worked but it wasn't the best thing. Now i have installed Mailman 2.1.1 on /usr/local/mailman2 , everything is fine until now but if i try to subscribe to an email not hosted on my server i get this message on my smtp-failure log: Apr 21 10:15:55 2003 (13660) delivery to alexisbellido at terra.com.pe failed with code 553: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) What could be wrong?. 2. My mailman 2.0.9 installations that were working great for almost 1 year now are not able to send messages to emails outside my server (same problem as new 2.1.1 installation), here is some lines from my logs/bounce file: Mar 25 13:32:07 2003 (32602) Equipo: disabled hermesruiz at mixmail.com Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: lvillafuerte at arrakis.es - exceeded limits Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: disabled lvillafuerte at arrakis.es Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: yguevara at upc.edu.pe - exceeded limits Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: disabled yguevara at upc.edu.pe Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: l_delacruz71 at hotmail.com - exceeded limits Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: disabled l_delacruz71 at hotmail.com Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: aahe_tito at hotmail.com - 2 more allowed over -141125 secs Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: m_aliaga at yahoo.com - first Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: emaliaga at hotmail.com - first Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: venempresas at hotmail.com - 2 more allowed over -141125 secs Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: miguel_srye at infonegocio.net.pe - 2 more allowed over -141125 secs Aparently all the list messages sent to outside emails are being bounced, why is that?. I have tested my Qmail and i can send normal emails to outside addresses from mailboxes on my server but Mailman can't. I have seen that if i include some of those domains on rcpthosts file it works but that's not an acceptable solution, besides yesterday i did not need that and Mailman 2.0.9 worked ok. Any help would be appreciated and i offer in exchange to help with Mailman and Plesk installation, i have done it several times, my problem here is with Qmail i guess. Alexis Bellido M. Ventanazul : Web Design : Hosting : eCommerce Consultenos sobre nuestros servicios via chat en www.ventanazul.com alexis at ventanazul.com ICQ: 95509561 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com | Yahoo ID: alexisbellido Ofi: 4368700 - Cel: 9321389 From lilium at lilium.net Mon Apr 21 21:46:12 2003 From: lilium at lilium.net (Lilium) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:46:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accept '%xxx' in the Header added to mail Message-ID: Hello, I need to add a '%xxx' string to the header of each message sent using Mailman. I get an error message because '%xxx' is recognized as a Mailman variable and the software tries to replace it with something it can't find: << File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 39, in process header = string.replace(mlist.msg_header % d, '\r\n', '\n') AttributeError: SafeDict instance has no attribute '__int__' >> Is it possible to make Mailman not to replace this string in the header? I tried to change Decorate.py file but I'm not a python programmer and it didn't work. Thanks in advance for your help. Regards Andrea Fava P.S. Version is use: 2.0.13 From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Apr 22 01:40:59 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:40:59 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accept '%xxx' in the Header added to mail References: Message-ID: <3EA4818B.1080909@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> try '%%xxx' Lilium wrote: > Hello, > I need to add a '%xxx' string to the header of each message sent using > Mailman. > From mike at nthwave.net Tue Apr 22 02:01:41 2003 From: mike at nthwave.net (Michael Mell) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:01:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] edithtml for all pages, all lists Message-ID: <9893E780-7455-11D7-B93D-0050E430B472@nthwave.net> I want to change the html for all the pages of all the lists in our Mailman installation. Should I do so through the /mailman/edithtml pages for each list, or can I safely edit files on the server? Also, can I safely edit the files in /mailman/templates so that future lists will have a new look? I'm using Mailman 2.0.8. The post a few days ago does not exactly address this issue/version: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg17220.html many thanks, Mike -- Empire or Republic? http://www.consortiumnews.com/2003/042103a.html "The pro-empire side argues that only a militarily assertive United States can address what Bush calls ?gathering dangers? facing the nation ? even if that means tighter constraints on liberty at home and freer use of U.S. troops abroad. The pro-republic forces say Bush?s imperial strategy is a sham ? false security that cedes life-and-death national decisions to the dictates of one man." From barry at python.org Tue Apr 22 04:05:11 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:05:11 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: GNU Mailman Documentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1050977088.4299.6.camel@anthem> On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 12:56, stav wrote: > is there a way to format the "tend to pending administrative requests" > screen for Mailman so that it appears columnar (tabular) in a matrix/table > format with FROM and SUBJECT only ? (body not needed on most spam).. if it > is not built in, maybe you can point me to how/where i can codeup some > python and add it into the system The only way to do this is to hack the code. The administrative requests page is rendered by Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py. It's probably not the least dense code around. ;) -Barry From dinn at twistedpair.ca Tue Apr 22 04:39:59 2003 From: dinn at twistedpair.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:39:59 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with translations? Message-ID: <20030422023959.GE14900@blend.twistedpair.ca> I'm hoping someone's seen this before - when I go to admin.cgi/listname, I get a 500 Internal Server Error. From using strace, this appears to be due to translations: 26862 stat("/home/mailman/messages/en_US.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffef8c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 26862 stat("/home/mailman/messages/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffef8c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 26862 stat("/home/mailman/messages/en.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", 0xbfffef8c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 26862 stat("/home/mailman/messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", {st_mode=S_ISUID|S_ISGID|0502000712, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 26862 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) --- 26857 <... read resumed> "", 4096) = 0 26857 --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) --- Anyone seen this before? Slackware version 7.0.0, libc-2.1.2... -- Michael 'Moose' Dinn, Twisted Pair Network Consulting Incorporated dinn at twistedpair.ca // 902 423 4700 (voice) // 902 423 8407 (fax) Colocate your server in our underground bunker! From alexis at ventanazul.com Tue Apr 22 04:54:19 2003 From: alexis at ventanazul.com (Alexis Bellido) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:54:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Problem with Mailman In-Reply-To: <20030421213806.B18924@bennyvision.com> Message-ID: <008501c3087a$8c1562f0$6401a8c0@pcwin> Actually my message to the list goes ok, i am sending from my email in the server to mailman, the problem is that mailman can't deliver the message to email accounts external to my server. They get listed on logs/bounce. I am 95% sure that the problem is that localhost is not allowed to relay on my server, i've been reading all day. My great problem i think is because i use xinetd (standard on Red Hat) and not tcpserver as everybody suggests. Here is part of my maillog after i send a message to a mailman list: Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.048707 new msg 311743 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.048815 info msg 311743: bytes 3968 from qp 1678 uid 2020 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.058421 starting delivery 8: msg 311743 to local neografi-k-com-alex at neografi-k.com Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.058527 status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.058550 starting delivery 9: msg 311743 to local ventanazul-com-miltonvela at ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.058568 status: local 3/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.063464 starting delivery 10: msg 311743 to local ventanazul-com-mariano at ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.063559 status: local 4/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.075683 starting delivery 11: msg 311743 to local ventanazul-com-ecojal at ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.075800 status: local 5/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.075823 starting delivery 12: msg 311743 to local ventanazul-com-arojas at ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.075841 status: local 6/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.080662 starting delivery 13: msg 311743 to local ventanazul-com-alexis at ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.080763 status: local 7/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.081484 starting delivery 14: msg 311743 to local ventanazul-com-antonio at ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.084884 status: local 8/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.145013 starting delivery 15: msg 311743 to local ventanazul-com-luis at ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.145122 status: local 9/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.458130 delivery 13: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.458234 status: local 8/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.926651 delivery 15: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.926757 status: local 7/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.983348 delivery 9: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.983451 status: local 6/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.984181 delivery 10: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.984270 status: local 5/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.984987 delivery 11: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.114668 status: local 4/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.123259 delivery 14: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.126924 status: local 3/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.136701 delivery 12: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.138169 status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.139611 delivery 7: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.141101 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.142624 end msg 311742 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.143900 delivery 8: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.145090 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.146278 end msg 311743 Apr 21 21:44:06 multivac pop3d: Connection, ip=[200.60.186.51] Apr 21 21:44:06 multivac pop3d: LOGIN, user=maliaga, ip=[200.60.186.51] Apr 21 21:44:06 multivac pop3d: LOGOUT, user=maliaga, ip=[200.60.186.51], top=0, retr=0 Apr 21 21:44:18 multivac pop3d: Connection, ip=[200.106.0.41] Apr 21 21:44:19 multivac pop3d: LOGIN, user=informes, ip=[200.106.0.41] Apr 21 21:44:20 multivac pop3d: LOGOUT, user=informes, ip=[200.106.0.41], top=0, retr=0 Apr 21 21:44:53 multivac pop3d: Connection, ip=[161.132.192.12] Apr 21 21:44:53 multivac pop3d: LOGIN, user=miltonvela, ip=[161.132.192.12] Apr 21 21:44:57 multivac pop3d: LOGOUT, user=miltonvela, ip=[161.132.192.12], top=0, retr=4066 Apr 21 21:44:57 multivac pop3d: Connection, ip=[161.132.192.12] Apr 21 21:44:59 multivac pop3d: LOGIN, user=miltonvela, ip=[161.132.192.12] Apr 21 21:44:59 multivac pop3d: LOGOUT, user=miltonvela, ip=[161.132.192.12], top=0, retr=0 [root at multivac ventanazul.com]# tail -n 50 /var/log/maillog Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.984181 delivery 10: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.984270 status: local 5/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.984987 delivery 11: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.114668 status: local 4/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.123259 delivery 14: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.126924 status: local 3/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.136701 delivery 12: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.138169 status: local 2/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.139611 delivery 7: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.141101 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.142624 end msg 311742 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.143900 delivery 8: success: did_1+0+1/ Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.145090 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:03 multivac qmail: 1050979443.146278 end msg 311743 Apr 21 21:44:06 multivac pop3d: Connection, ip=[200.60.186.51] Apr 21 21:44:06 multivac pop3d: LOGIN, user=maliaga, ip=[200.60.186.51] Apr 21 21:44:06 multivac pop3d: LOGOUT, user=maliaga, ip=[200.60.186.51], top=0, retr=0 Apr 21 21:44:18 multivac pop3d: Connection, ip=[200.106.0.41] Apr 21 21:44:19 multivac pop3d: LOGIN, user=informes, ip=[200.106.0.41] Apr 21 21:44:20 multivac pop3d: LOGOUT, user=informes, ip=[200.106.0.41], top=0, retr=0 Apr 21 21:44:53 multivac pop3d: Connection, ip=[161.132.192.12] Apr 21 21:44:53 multivac pop3d: LOGIN, user=miltonvela, ip=[161.132.192.12] Apr 21 21:44:57 multivac pop3d: LOGOUT, user=miltonvela, ip=[161.132.192.12], top=0, retr=4066 Apr 21 21:44:57 multivac pop3d: Connection, ip=[161.132.192.12] Apr 21 21:44:59 multivac pop3d: LOGIN, user=miltonvela, ip=[161.132.192.12] Apr 21 21:44:59 multivac pop3d: LOGOUT, user=miltonvela, ip=[161.132.192.12], top=0, retr=0 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.014906 new msg 311742 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.015019 info msg 311742: bytes 989 from qp 1747 uid 110 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.023645 starting delivery 16: msg 311742 to remote popuser at server1.multivac.ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.023752 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.033680 delivery 16: failure: Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_server1.multivac.ventanazul.com._( #5.1.2)/ Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.033779 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.043971 bounce msg 311742 qp 1749 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.044072 end msg 311742 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.044091 new msg 311743 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.044111 info msg 311743: bytes 1660 from <> qp 1749 uid 2522 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.052666 starting delivery 17: msg 311743 to remote anonymous at server1.multivac.ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.052766 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.058057 delivery 17: failure: Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_server1.multivac.ventanazul.com._( #5.1.2)/ Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.058170 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.072907 bounce msg 311743 qp 1751 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.073007 end msg 311743 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.073026 new msg 311742 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.073047 info msg 311742: bytes 2223 from <#@[]> qp 1751 uid 2522 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.082025 starting delivery 18: msg 311742 to remote postmaster at server1.multivac.ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.082123 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.086959 delivery 18: failure: Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_server1.multivac.ventanazul.com._( #5.1.2)/ Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.098274 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.098362 triple bounce: discarding bounce/311742 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.098380 end msg 311742 You can see in this lines: Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.075800 status: local 5/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:44:02 multivac qmail: 1050979442.075823 starting delivery 12: msg 311743 to local ventanazul-com-arojas at ventanazul.com That list mail is delivered ok to a local account (arojas at ventanazul.com) But here you can see what happens with non local accounts: Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.073026 new msg 311742 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.073047 info msg 311742: bytes 2223 from <#@[]> qp 1751 uid 2522 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.082025 starting delivery 18: msg 311742 to remote postmaster at server1.multivac.ventanazul.com Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.082123 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.086959 delivery 18: failure: Sorry,_I_couldn't_find_any_host_named_server1.multivac.ventanazul.com._( #5.1.2)/ Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.098274 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.098362 triple bounce: discarding bounce/311742 Apr 21 21:45:04 multivac qmail: 1050979504.098380 end msg 311742 Then if i do: tail /usr/local/mailman/logs/bounce I get this: Apr 21 20:57:03 2003 (32222) Equipo: l_delacruz71 at hotmail.com - exceeded limits Apr 21 20:57:03 2003 (32222) Equipo: lvillafuerte at arrakis.es - exceeded limits Apr 21 20:57:03 2003 (32222) Equipo: alexisbellido at hotmail.com - 0 more allowed over 399782 secs Apr 21 20:57:03 2003 (32222) Equipo: yguevara at upc.edu.pe - exceeded limits Apr 21 21:44:02 2003 (1664) Equipo: todoparaweb at uniweb.net.co - exceeded limits Apr 21 21:44:02 2003 (1664) Equipo: hermesruiz at mixmail.com - exceeded limits Apr 21 21:44:02 2003 (1664) Equipo: l_delacruz71 at hotmail.com - exceeded limits Apr 21 21:44:02 2003 (1664) Equipo: lvillafuerte at arrakis.es - exceeded limits Apr 21 21:44:02 2003 (1664) Equipo: alexisbellido at hotmail.com - 0 more allowed over 396963 secs Apr 21 21:44:02 2003 (1664) Equipo: yguevara at upc.edu.pe - exceeded limits I have put this in my /etc/hosts.allow file: tcp-env : localhost : setenv RELAYCLIENT And added localhost to my rcpthosts file Also restarted xinetd daemon and qmail daemon (yes i have a qmail daemon, i don't know if that's standard but my control panel Plesk created one executable qmail file or script at /etc/init.d) But none of these changes has worked. I can send email from Pine and Outlook using my server to external emails, only problem is when Mailman wants to send to external emails. I am more than 14 hours working on this :( Regards and sorry for asking so much. Alexis Bellido M. Ventanazul : Web Design : Hosting : eCommerce Consultenos sobre nuestros servicios via chat en www.ventanazul.com alexis at ventanazul.com ICQ: 95509561 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com | Yahoo ID: alexisbellido Ofi: 4368700 - Cel: 9321389 -----Mensaje original----- De: 'C. Bensend' [mailto:benny at bennyvision.com] Enviado el: lunes, 21 de abril de 2003 21:38 Para: Alexis Bellido Asunto: Re: Problem with Mailman On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 09:25:27PM -0500, Alexis Bellido wrote: > > Which should do the same as your told me to do if using tcpserver, > then i restarted xinetd but the same thing continues happening, mail > sent to lists is not delivered to external email accounts :( Well, hold on though - are you still getting the same error message about "isn't in my list of rcpthosts"? Remember, one problem at a time. :) The fix above will only take care of the rcpthosts problem, but will probably _not_ fix the entire problem. Benny -- 86. I will make sure that my doomsday device is up to code and properly grounded. --Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord From lj at mandala-designs.com Tue Apr 22 05:27:40 2003 From: lj at mandala-designs.com (ljacobs ) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:27:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman maintenance Message-ID: <200304212327.AA172426066@mandala-designs.com> Running Mailman 2.1, besides rotating logs, what maintenance do list managers/administrators perform regularly? Like the qfiles/shunt and qfiles/out files getting purged, or anything else. Thanks. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com From a.carter at cordis.lu Tue Apr 22 11:51:10 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:51:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM-Stylesheet In-Reply-To: <1050894442.3ea3606b037d3@webmail.emba.uvm.edu> References: <1050894442.3ea3606b037d3@webmail.emba.uvm.edu> Message-ID: <200304221151.10228.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> There is a new version of the patch diff file...check it out on: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=687704&group_id=103&atid=300103 Anthony On Monday 21 April 2003 05:07, dvanhorn at emba.uvm.edu wrote: > This is probably a silly question, but I've applied the patch mentioned > here: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2003-February/014802.ht >ml > > to add stylesheet support to archives. After regenerating the archives, a > tag appears. How can I set this variable so it is > appropriately expanded? > > Thanks, > David > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From dan at langille.org Tue Apr 22 11:51:53 2003 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:51:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple lists and domains Message-ID: <3EA4D879.252.1233E2E4@localhost> I'm looking for a way to have the same list name on multiple domains. For example, cvs-all at lists.example.org and cvs- all at lists.example.com. I asked this question here: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002- November/023708.html but now I'm find that solution doesn't give very pretty results. The public name of the list cannot be changed. With aliases, I can allow people to send mail to cvs-all at lists.example.org, but there's more to it than that. The URL for one of these lists would be: http://lists.example.org/mailman/listinfo/cvs-all-example.org Ideally, that would be: http://lists.example.org/mailman/listinfo/cvs-all But more difficult to achieve, I think, is the information displayed on that page. Under the existing situation, this page would contain several references to "cvs-all-example.org" instead of "cvs-all". It seems there is much more to this than meets the eye. It's almost as if we need a public name and a private name. Anyone already solved this? -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From dan at langille.org Tue Apr 22 14:27:17 2003 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] site-wide mailing list with virtual domains Message-ID: <3EA4FCE5.13020.12C22C14@localhost> How many site wide mailing lists do you create if you have virtual domains? Under which virtual domain should it be created? Password reminders will be sent out from this mailing list. It sounds rather unusual if a user is subscribed to mylist at example.ORG and then gets reminders from example.COM. Thank you -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From jdecarlo at mitre.org Tue Apr 22 16:13:33 2003 From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:13:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella and nested lists moderation requests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EA54E0D.9080605@mitre.org> Jerry, First of all, I didn't have the patience to completely read all the details you sent. Sorry. Second, I suspect that the answer lies on the Admin page, in the Privacy Options -> Sender Filters section. I think you need to either add the list "top" as a member of every sublist, or add "top" to the "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted." OR change "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined" to Accept. HINSHAW,JERRY L (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: > I have currently set ALL lists (top, injerry, incat, and inclint) > with NO Moderation and accepting from everyone. If I mail to any one of the > nested (injerry, incat, and inclint) lists as anyone the message delivers no > problems. HOWEVER when I send to the umbrella list (top) the List owner of > the nested lists (injerry, incat, and inclint) get a message indicating > moderation is required for the message sent. Have a missed something or is > this incorrect behavior?? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Apr 22 17:45:12 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:45:12 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Info via email for users? Message-ID: <1051025519.5724.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Is it possible for a user to retrieve a lost password via email? -- Angel Gabriel From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 22 18:13:38 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:13:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella and nested lists moderation requests In-Reply-To: <3EA54E0D.9080605@mitre.org> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030422170013.03ccfc48@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 15:13 22/04/2003, John DeCarlo wrote: >Jerry, > >First of all, I didn't have the patience to completely read all the >details you sent. Sorry. > >Second, I suspect that the answer lies on the Admin page, in the Privacy >Options -> Sender Filters section. > >I think you need to either add the list "top" as a member of every >sublist, or add "top" to the "List of non-member addresses whose postings >should be automatically accepted." > >OR change "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no >explicit action is defined" to Accept. > >HINSHAW,JERRY L (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: >> I have currently set ALL lists (top, injerry, incat, and inclint) >>with NO Moderation and accepting from everyone. If I mail to any one of the >>nested (injerry, incat, and inclint) lists as anyone the message delivers no >>problems. HOWEVER when I send to the umbrella list (top) the List owner of >>the nested lists (injerry, incat, and inclint) get a message indicating >>moderation is required for the message sent. Have a missed something or is >>this incorrect behavior?? > >-- I think you may need to change a setting, I think its on the Spam filters page (and I do not have access to a list's admin GUI to check that, as I write) of the lists that are members of the umbrella list. Messages to the umbrella list passed down to subordinate lists do not see themselves in either the To: or Cc: headers. On each of the subordinate lists you need to say incoming mail is acceptable if the umbrella list is in the To: or Cc: header. You should enter a regex that will match the umbrella list (which is in the To: or Cc: header) for instance: ^top at your\.domain\.com$ Note, that being a regex you want to escape the period characters, as they are a regex meta-character, otherwise they will match any character in that position not just a period. If a subordinate list is a member of several umbrella lists or the umbrella lists are themselves nested, then you can vary the regex as needed, for instance: ^(top|other-top|the-very-apex)@your\.domain\.com$ From gaf at blu.org Tue Apr 22 19:08:55 2003 From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:08:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Info via email for users? In-Reply-To: <1051025519.5724.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1051025519.5724.3.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <20030422130855.6d8dca4a.gaf@blu.org> On 22 Apr 2003 16:31:59 +0100 Angel Gabriel wrote: > Is it possible for a user to retrieve a lost password via email? Yes. Send email to -request@ Put the word, password, in the subject. I just tried it on this list. Works fine. eg. mailman-users-request at python.org subject:password -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 From hmflesch at bugi.de Tue Apr 22 20:14:41 2003 From: hmflesch at bugi.de (Hans-Martin Flesch) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:14:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <200304222014.41416.hmflesch@bugi.de> Hello, I try to configure Mailman and now have the problem that even when I try to confirm the subscription via webinterface get the following error: -------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 110, in main subscription_confirm(mlist, doc, cookie, cgidata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 333, in subscription_confirm op, addr, pw, digest, lang = mlist.ProcessConfirmation( File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1067, in ProcessConfirmation self.HoldSubscription(addr, fullname, password, digest, lang) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 424, in HoldSubscription self.preferred_language) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 203, in __init__ self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject') File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 164, in __init__ self.append(s, charset) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 230, in append ustr = unicode(s, incodec) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) ------------ Confirmation via Reply-Message works fine. Can somebody give me a hint please - I didn't found anything in the FAQ... Thanks Martin From thomas at elements.dk Tue Apr 22 20:44:25 2003 From: thomas at elements.dk (Thomas von Hassel) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:44:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting mailman and webbased forum In-Reply-To: <200304222014.41416.hmflesch@bugi.de> Message-ID: Is there a way to tie a mailman list into a webbased forum, like phpBB, so that msg posted to the forum are sent to the maillinglist and vice versa ... ? /thomas From alexis at ventanazul.com Tue Apr 22 20:58:37 2003 From: alexis at ventanazul.com (Alexis Bellido) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:58:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting mailman and webbased forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004201c30901$41a3b190$6401a8c0@pcwin> Great question, i have always thought about it, if you know anything let me know. Alexis Bellido M. Ventanazul : Web Design : Hosting : eCommerce Consultenos sobre nuestros servicios via chat en www.ventanazul.com alexis at ventanazul.com ICQ: 95509561 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com | Yahoo ID: alexisbellido Ofi: 4368700 - Cel: 9321389 -----Mensaje original----- De: mailman-users-bounces+alexis=ventanazul.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+alexis=ventanazul.com at python.org] En nombre de Thomas von Hassel Enviado el: martes, 22 de abril de 2003 13:44 Para: mailman-users at python.org Asunto: [Mailman-Users] Connecting mailman and webbased forum Is there a way to tie a mailman list into a webbased forum, like phpBB, so that msg posted to the forum are sent to the maillinglist and vice versa ... ? /thomas From dan at langille.org Tue Apr 22 21:16:44 2003 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting mailman and webbased forum In-Reply-To: <004201c30901$41a3b190$6401a8c0@pcwin> References: Message-ID: <3EA55CDC.2606.143910EC@localhost> On 22 Apr 2003 at 13:58, Alexis Bellido wrote: > Great question, i have always thought about it, if you know anything let > me know. FWIW, I know http://www.phorum.org/ does this. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From kmccann at bellanet.org Tue Apr 22 21:54:25 2003 From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:54:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting mailman and webbased forum In-Reply-To: References: <200304222014.41416.hmflesch@bugi.de> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030422152305.030c2910@mail.idrc.ca> At 08:44 PM 22/04/03 +0200, Thomas von Hassel wrote: >Is there a way to tie a mailman list into a webbased forum, like phpBB, so >that msg posted to the forum are sent to the maillinglist and vice versa ... I have extended an older version of phpBB to support the gating of a forum to a list in a PHP-Nuke environment (a long time ago, and I no longer have the code, so don't ask!). I have done the same for Phorum and SuperBB using Postnuke. Here's what you want to do, off the top of my head: 1) Add list address as a field to your forum table 2) Modify web app admin functions to be able to fill in above field (ex: mylist at lists.mysite.com) 3) Add Message-ID: to messages table 4) Modify web app to a) send web posts to mailing list with poster's email address in From: b) generate message-id: for each post, use in outgoing message and also deposit in database c) send with an X-Sender: my-app (to avoid loops) 5) Add dummy member to your list (ie mylist-in at mysite.com) 6) Create alias for dummy member that points to, say, a Perl script 7) Write or find Perl script that will a) parse incoming messages b) determine forum based on dummy address c) ignore messages coming from X-Sender: my-app (avoid loops) d) Authenticate message based on from email message (match to, say, a phpBB or Postnuke user) e) compare message-id, in-reply-to or references to determine threading and thus parent msg ids in forum msg table f) perform MIME decoding g) and whatever else you want to do h) don't forget to do "newaliases", add to script /etc/smrsh, etc. Kevin McCann kmccann at bellanet.org Duolian Consulting (613) 236-6163 ext. 2376 From kmccann at bellanet.org Tue Apr 22 22:05:49 2003 From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:05:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting mailman and webbased forum In-Reply-To: <3EA55CDC.2606.143910EC@localhost> References: <004201c30901$41a3b190$6401a8c0@pcwin> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030422155432.030be100@mail.idrc.ca> At 03:16 PM 22/04/03 -0400, Dan Langille wrote: >On 22 Apr 2003 at 13:58, Alexis Bellido wrote: > > > Great question, i have always thought about it, if you know anything let > > me know. > >FWIW, I know http://www.phorum.org/ does this. I had to hack Phorum to get full bi-directional gating happening. It supported an associated mailing list, indeed, but it wasn't quite "there." Can't remember exactly what I had to do but I think I still have the Phorum stuff somewhere on my sandbox so I can check. Also, this was a while ago - the Phorum folks may very well have completed this endeavor. It would be worthwhile to check their support forums. - Kevin Kevin McCann kmccann at bellanet.org Duolian Consulting (613) 236-6163 ext. 2376 From jsmith at smittybuilt.com Tue Apr 22 22:28:14 2003 From: jsmith at smittybuilt.com (jsmith) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:28:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing Headers and Footers Message-ID: Hello all, I have to ask this question again with the hopes that someone can enlighten me. I have Freebsd 4.7 running sendmail. Mailman 2.1.1 and everything seems to be working except when a post is sent to the list. There are no headers and footers. Even if I add manual headers or footers in the web interface for both digested and no-digested mode. It seem like python isn't executing the script to add those items. If I send a test post to the list. It forwards it for posting. In the text I just put the one word "test" Literally that is all that gets posted. None of the stuff like _______________________________________________ %(real_name)s mailing list %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s ever get processed. If anyone can shed light on this I would be greatly appreciated. From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 23 00:22:02 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:22:02 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422192028.01b77188@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Could a someone install for things for me: -Python -Mailman I have SSH access and people who could do this i'll give my passwords to. Thanks, Cody. From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 23 00:45:55 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:45:55 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422194519.00b7c650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> You're e-mail address doesn't work too well. This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: Your message was not delivered because the return address was refused. The return address was '' Reporting-MTA: dns; simmts6.bellnexxia.net Arrival-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:44:30 -0400 Received-From-MTA: dns; BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca (142.177.201.130) Final-Recipient: RFC822; Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; genesis.camaross.net (207.189.28.74) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.1 Access denied Received: from BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.201.130]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20030422224430.IAUR23577.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net at BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca> for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:44:30 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422194332.01a723a0 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: hchs#ns.sympatico.ca at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:44:03 -0300 To: "Mike Kercher" From: Cody Harris Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Installation In-Reply-To: <01f101c3091e$d5f86300$af01a8c0 at home.middlefinger.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422192028.01b77188 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Greetings. I have mandrake 8.1! I think sendmail works. Gimmie a shout. At 05:30 PM 4/22/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I'll try to help you if you can tell me your OS and MTA. If you are Redhat >and sendmail, I should be able to do it for you. > >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org >[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mike=camaross.net at python.org] On Behalf Of >Cody Harris >Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:22 PM >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation > > >Could a someone install for things for me: >-Python >-Mailman > >I have SSH access and people who could do this i'll give my passwords to. > >Thanks, Cody. > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at camaross.net >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40camaross.net From alexis at ventanazul.com Wed Apr 23 02:30:47 2003 From: alexis at ventanazul.com (Alexis Bellido) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 and Qmail problems Message-ID: <000001c3092f$a8593f80$6401a8c0@pcwin> Hi, i am reposting this because it seems my first post wasn't seen. 1. I installed Mailman 2.1.1 on my Linux Red Hat 7.2 Server, i use Plesk 2.5 RPM version as web hosting control panel. You can see the instructions i followed here: http://forum.plesk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6914&highlight=mailman Before installing 2.1.1 i used 2.0.9 and i installed using this http://forum.plesk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4009&highlight=mailman I have change because of new multiple language option and better options for virtual domains. With my 2.0.9 installation i had to use multiple installations, one for each domain, example: /usr/local/mailman/domain1.com /usr/local/mailman/domain2.com It worked but it wasn't the best thing. Now i have installed Mailman 2.1.1 on /usr/local/mailman2 , everything is fine until now but if i try to subscribe to an email not hosted on my server i get this message on my smtp-failure log: Apr 21 10:15:55 2003 (13660) delivery to alexisbellido at terra.com.pe failed with code 553: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) What could be wrong?. 2. My mailman 2.0.9 installations that were working great for almost 1 year now are not able to send messages to emails outside my server (same problem as new 2.1.1 installation), here is some lines from my logs/bounce file: Mar 25 13:32:07 2003 (32602) Equipo: disabled hermesruiz at mixmail.com Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: lvillafuerte at arrakis.es - exceeded limits Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: disabled lvillafuerte at arrakis.es Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: yguevara at upc.edu.pe - exceeded limits Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: disabled yguevara at upc.edu.pe Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: l_delacruz71 at hotmail.com - exceeded limits Mar 25 13:32:08 2003 (32602) Equipo: disabled l_delacruz71 at hotmail.com Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: aahe_tito at hotmail.com - 2 more allowed over -141125 secs Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: m_aliaga at yahoo.com - first Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: emaliaga at hotmail.com - first Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: venempresas at hotmail.com - 2 more allowed over -141125 secs Mar 25 13:32:10 2003 (32602) Partners: miguel_srye at infonegocio.net.pe - 2 more allowed over -141125 secs Aparently all the list messages sent to outside emails are being bounced, why is that?. I have tested my Qmail and i can send normal emails to outside addresses from mailboxes on my server but Mailman can't. I have seen that if i include some of those domains on rcpthosts file it works but that's not an acceptable solution, besides yesterday i did not need that and Mailman 2.0.9 worked ok. Any help would be appreciated and i offer in exchange to help with Mailman and Plesk installation, i have done it several times, my problem here is with Qmail i guess. Alexis Bellido M. Ventanazul : Web Design : Hosting : eCommerce Consultenos sobre nuestros servicios via chat en www.ventanazul.com alexis at ventanazul.com ICQ: 95509561 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com | Yahoo ID: alexisbellido Ofi: 4368700 - Cel: 9321389 From mike at openconcept.ca Wed Apr 23 04:27:34 2003 From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:27:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 7, Issue 60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051064717.15761.54.camel@office.openconcept.ca> Hello Thomas, On Tue, 2003-04-22 at 18:50, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote: > From: Thomas von Hassel > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Connecting mailman and webbased forum > Date: 22 Apr 2003 20:44:25 +0200 > Is there a way to tie a mailman list into a webbased forum, like phpBB, so > that msg posted to the forum are sent to the maillinglist and vice versa ... > > ______________________________________________________________________ We built a solution for this for the Back-End.org CMS. We don't have a working copy of it up on the web anywhere to try out as the client hasn't quite launched their new site yet. We've set up mailman to be mirrored as a newsgroup and then used phpSlash framework to manage the threads/authorization. The latest version of the CMS is posted on SF: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6763&release_id=151523 Look for /public_html/board.php and /class/Board.class Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca Open Source Web Applications for Social Change. Featured Campaign - Rooting Out Evil! - http://rootingoutevil.org Give me the splendid silent sun with all his beams full-dazzling. - W Whitman From daniel.richter at wimba.com Wed Apr 23 12:28:40 2003 From: daniel.richter at wimba.com (Dan Richter) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:28:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird hostname Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030423121747.0343fcd8@mail.wimba.com> This problem is ALREADY RESOLVED, but I would sure like to know where it came from. When I installed Mailman on helium.wimba.com, it somehow got the idea that it was running on host115.wimba.com. For example, the subscription e-mail referred the user to: flashinfo-request at host115.wimba.com The web site also referred to host115.wimba.com, even after I explicitly set the hostname in mm_cfg.py. The command line gives no indication of where host115 came from. [me at helium]$ hostname helium.wimba.com [me at helium]$ host host115.wimba.com Host host115.wimba.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) I solved the problem by using: bin/withlist -l -r fix_url but where did the problem come from in the first place? ========== Dan Richter ============== mailto:Dan at wimba.com =========== Do I know what's in this bill? Are you kidding? Only God knows... - U.S. Senator Robert Byrd, when asked if he knew the contents of a $520 billion, 4000-page spending bill From sylvain at adv-informatique.fr Wed Apr 23 12:30:37 2003 From: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr (Sylvain Langlade) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:30:37 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 crashing when approving a new member In-Reply-To: <004f01c303fa$fd2c1da0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Message-ID: <001301c30983$61f444f0$3900a8c0@reseau.microassist.fr> Hi all, I'm submitting this again : Mailman 2.1.1 is crashing when the list admin is approving new subscription(s) via the Web interface. After many tests, we've found that it may be related to using an hyphen (-) in the list name. I noticed that this list was the only one that was created with an hyphen. Removing (again...) and recreating the list from scratch only with alphabetical characters seem to have solved the problem. Is it considered a bug or is hyphen forbidden ? Btw, what exactly are acceptable characters for a list name ? Thanks in advance. Sylvain. Ps : in the original message below, list name was replaced by "mylist" because I didn't think it could be the problem... sorry about that! > -----Message d'origine----- > De : mailman-users-bounces+sylvain=adv-informatique.fr at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+sylvain=adv-informatique.fr at pyth > on.org]De > la part de Sylvain Langlade > Envoy? : mercredi 16 avril 2003 11:32 > ? : mailman-users at python.org > Objet : [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 crashing when approving a new > member > > > Hi, > > > We've setup a list and are getting an error when submiting > data to approve a > new subscription via the Web GUI. What does that mean ? I > have another list > that works fine. > > ----------------------------------------- > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please > email a copy of > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > > Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 222, in ? > run_main() > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > print_traceback(logger) > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 119, in > print_traceback > print >> logfp, '@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", > line 73, in > write > Logger.write(self, "%s %s" % (prefix, msg)) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line > 88, in write > msg = unicode(msg, self.__encoding) > SystemError: can't resize shared unicode objects > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ---- > > Python information: > Variable Value > sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Apr 8 2003, 19:30:54) [GCC 2.95.3 20010125 > (prerelease)] > sys.executable /usr/bin/python > sys.prefix /usr/local > sys.exec_prefix /usr/local > sys.path /usr/local > sys.platform openbsd3 > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ---- > > Environment variables: > Variable Value > HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, > application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, > application/x-shockwave-flash, > */* > CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded > HTTP_REFERER http://listserv.mydomain.com/mailman/admindb/mylist > SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.10 > OpenSSL/0.9.7-beta3 > PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman > SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/www/mailman/admindb > SERVER_ADMIN postmaster at mydomain.com > SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb > SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.26 Server at > listserv.mydomain.com Port 80 > REQUEST_METHOD POST > HTTP_HOST listserv.mydomain.com > PATH_INFO /mylist > SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 > QUERY_STRING > HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache > REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/mylist > CONTENT_LENGTH 37 > HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows > NT 5.0; .NET > CLR 1.0.3705) > HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive > HTTP_COOKIE > mylist+admin=28020000006941219d3e73280000006232663234393163616 > 46431323139656 > 56633386561366635353964373238353432613335666234; > adv+admin=280200000069201a9d3e73280000003430323865633237613132 > 65356261613231 > 33353162366561306430353861383531666566323932 > SERVER_NAME listserv.mydomain.com > REMOTE_ADDR 81.1.29.250 > REMOTE_PORT 4720 > HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE fr > PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/htdocs/mylist > SERVER_PORT 80 > GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 > HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate > SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.3 > DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/htdocs > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: sylvain at adv-informatique.fr > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/sylvain%4 0adv-informatique.fr From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 23 13:39:17 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:39:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird hostname In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030423121747.0343fcd8@mail.wimba.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030423121346.03a83b90@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 11:28 23/04/2003, Dan Richter wrote: >This problem is ALREADY RESOLVED, but I would sure like to know where it >came from. > >When I installed Mailman on helium.wimba.com, it somehow got the idea that >it was running on host115.wimba.com. For example, the subscription e-mail >referred the user to: > flashinfo-request at host115.wimba.com >The web site also referred to host115.wimba.com, even after I explicitly >set the hostname in mm_cfg.py. > >The command line gives no indication of where host115 came from. > [me at helium]$ hostname > helium.wimba.com > > [me at helium]$ host host115.wimba.com > Host host115.wimba.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > >I solved the problem by using: > bin/withlist -l -r fix_url >but where did the problem come from in the first place? Probably results from the DNS entries below which I got when is did lookups on the FQDNs and IP number for the machine you are referring to. I think you will find that, during installation, when trying to determine the default FQDN, the installer did a reverse lookup on the IP number of the machine and came up with host115.wimba.com, just as I did, rather than helium.wimba.com. I'll leave you to use dig to try to figure out what your DNS is publishing. Remember what the hostname command returns is not certain to be an accurate representation of what DNS is publishing in respect of IP nmuber on an interface of the machine. [user at localhost user]$ nslookup -sil helium.wimba.com Server: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: helium.wimba.com Address: 216.65.123.115 [user at localhost user]$ nslookup -sil 216.65.123.115 Server: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: 115.123.65.216.in-addr.arpa name = host115.wimba.com. Authoritative answers can be found from: 123.65.216.in-addr.arpa nameserver = pit.maxim.net. 123.65.216.in-addr.arpa nameserver = pendulum.maxim.net. 123.65.216.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ftp.maxim.net. pit.maxim.net internet address = 216.65.0.150 pendulum.maxim.net internet address = 216.65.0.162 [user at localhost user]$ nslookup -sil host115.wimba.com Server: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 ** server can't find host115.wimba.com.: NXDOMAIN [user at localhost user]$ >========== Dan Richter ============== mailto:Dan at wimba.com =========== > Do I know what's in this bill? Are you kidding? Only God knows... > - U.S. Senator Robert Byrd, when asked if he knew the > contents of a $520 billion, 4000-page spending bill From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 23 14:13:46 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:13:46 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing domain In-Reply-To: <20030414120338.GA12845@zeus.rug.ac.be> References: <20030414120338.GA12845@zeus.rug.ac.be> Message-ID: <1051100035.2253.3.camel@anncons> Depends on the version of mailman that you are running. In version 2.0.x you simply use the web-admin and change the two settings at the bottom of the general options page (you can effect the same change from the command line using the config_list command). In version 2.1.x you are going to have to use the "fix_url" command (along with "withlist). Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-04-14 at 08:03, Rudy Gevaert wrote: > Hi, > > I am running mailman and have about 50 lists. > > Our universty has changed names and in the near futher all domains > will change from zeus.rug.ac.be to zeus.ugent.be. > > What is the easyest way to do this in mailman? > > Thanks in advance, > > PS please reply to me to, as I am not on the list From stav at worldgain.com Mon Apr 21 18:56:08 2003 From: stav at worldgain.com (stav) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:56:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] GNU Mailman Documentation Message-ID: christopher kolar et.al., i am trying to find information about formatting the pending administrative requests screen for Mailman background: i am the list admin for https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/admindb/imc-cleveland and we are running Mailman version 2.0.13, we are upgrading to the new version this spring.. we were using "spamassasin" for spam filtering but it was causing some problems on the server so we had to remove the spamassasin and now all our lists are inundated with spam is there a way to format the "tend to pending administrative requests" screen for Mailman so that it appears columnar (tabular) in a matrix/table format with FROM and SUBJECT only ? (body not needed on most spam).. if it is not built in, maybe you can point me to how/where i can codeup some python and add it into the system thank you for your time.. any help is appreciated in dealing with spam -stav Reduce and Resist! __o Love, peace, and _ \<,_ bicycle grease! (_)/ (_) Cycle and recycle! ?,???`???,?_?,??????,?_?,???`???,? From andrea at lilium.net Mon Apr 21 21:43:20 2003 From: andrea at lilium.net (Andrea) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:43:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accect [%xxx] in the Header added to mail Message-ID: Hello, I need to add a '%xxx' string to the header of each message sent using Mailman. I get an error message because '%xxx' is recognized as a Mailman variable and the software tries to replace it with something it can't find: << File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 39, in process header = string.replace(mlist.msg_header % d, '\r\n', '\n') AttributeError: SafeDict instance has no attribute '__int__' >> Is it possible to make Mailman not to replace this string in the header? I tried to change Decorate.py file but I'm not a python programmer and it didn't work. Thanks in advance for your help. Regards Andrea Fava P.S. Version is use: 2.0.13 From mavs at panix.com Tue Apr 22 13:19:04 2003 From: mavs at panix.com (mavs at panix.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does Mailman require Java? Java is a tremendous problem elsewhere. Message-ID: <200304221119.h3MBJ4x28945@panix1.panix.com> For managers and list users alike please tell me that Java is not included in Mailman. It causes such a big problem with WAIS and other database queries and with the ability to save links. Can I manage Mailman from my shell account through Envirolink via my shell account at Panix.com. Envirolink,s ftp access REQUIRES Java which I do not have and don't want to use because it has a public firewall component. Java, like password accounts at some sites, limit use. I guess they believe that most people have java and do not want to give the other 5 percent a historical option. Richard Stafursky (302) 645 -5592 Lewes, DE USA From djk at tobit.co.uk Tue Apr 22 13:25:54 2003 From: djk at tobit.co.uk (Dirk Koopman) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:25:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim and temporary dns lookup failures Message-ID: <1051010741.10212.62.camel@dirk2.int.tobit.co.uk> I am a long time user of Mailman and exim. Unfortunately, during that time, people that run DNS and also some users have become erm... less clueful. My exim logfiles now frequently fill up with messages like this:- 2003-04-22 10:51:40 H=localhost.localdomain (post.tobit.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] F= temporarily rejected RCPT : host lookup did not complete 2003-04-22 10:51:50 H=localhost.localdomain (post.tobit.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] F= temporarily rejected RCPT : host lookup did not complete 2003-04-22 10:52:00 H=localhost.localdomain (post.tobit.co.uk) [127.0.0.1] F= temporarily rejected RCPT : host lookup did not complete Note the 10 second interval. This now seems to be the default in 2.1.1 (2.0.x would retry straight away). It is Mailman retrying the delivery and exim coming up with the 'temporary error' that is causing this (together with the verification ACLs in exim which I am not going to disable [completely]). Is there some way of stopping this behaviour? Or increasing the timeout between retries? I am using Mailman 2.1.1 and exim 4.14. Dirk Koopman -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State. From jerry.hinshaw at hp.com Tue Apr 22 16:29:30 2003 From: jerry.hinshaw at hp.com (HINSHAW,JERRY L (HP-Boise,ex1)) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:29:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella and nested lists moderation requests Message-ID: Thank you, FYI I've determined that the require_explicit_destination flag had to be disabled. Once I did that the nested lists worked as desired. Thanks everyone for your help. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: John DeCarlo [mailto:jdecarlo at mitre.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:14 AM To: HINSHAW,JERRY L (HP-Boise,ex1) Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella and nested lists moderation requests Jerry, First of all, I didn't have the patience to completely read all the details you sent. Sorry. Second, I suspect that the answer lies on the Admin page, in the Privacy Options -> Sender Filters section. I think you need to either add the list "top" as a member of every sublist, or add "top" to the "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted." OR change "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined" to Accept. HINSHAW,JERRY L (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: > I have currently set ALL lists (top, injerry, incat, and inclint) > with NO Moderation and accepting from everyone. If I mail to any one > of the nested (injerry, incat, and inclint) lists as anyone the > message delivers no problems. HOWEVER when I send to the umbrella list > (top) the List owner of the nested lists (injerry, incat, and inclint) > get a message indicating moderation is required for the message sent. > Have a missed something or is this incorrect behavior?? -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own From badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk Tue Apr 22 17:29:54 2003 From: badmangabriel at lycos.co.uk (Angel Gabriel) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:29:54 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password via email? Message-ID: <1051025254.4114.107.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Is it possible for a user to retrieve a lost password via email? -- Angel Gabriel From tnc1 at ix.netcom.com Wed Apr 23 06:55:48 2003 From: tnc1 at ix.netcom.com (Will Castagna) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:55:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mac OSX version? Message-ID: Is there a version of your software that runs on Mac OSX or OSX Server? TIA From leo at netserver.cjb.net Wed Apr 23 16:33:24 2003 From: leo at netserver.cjb.net (Leonardo =?iso-8859-1?q?S=E1?=) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:33:24 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing subjects Message-ID: <200304231133.24628.leo@netserver.cjb.net> There's any way to change the "Subject:" field from the messages coming from the mailman daemon (subscribe, unsubscribe and confirm messages)? Cheers -- Leonardo S? leo at netserver dot cjb dot net From a.carter at cordis.lu Wed Apr 23 16:50:11 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:50:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password via email? In-Reply-To: <1051025254.4114.107.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> References: <1051025254.4114.107.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <200304231650.11330.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Yep, send a mail to mallistname-request at domain.com with the subject "password" (without quotes) Thats it. Anthony On Tuesday 22 April 2003 17:27, Angel Gabriel wrote: > Is it possible for a user to retrieve a lost password via email? From a.carter at cordis.lu Wed Apr 23 16:52:52 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:52:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Does Mailman require Java? Java is a tremendous problem elsewhere. In-Reply-To: <200304221119.h3MBJ4x28945@panix1.panix.com> References: <200304221119.h3MBJ4x28945@panix1.panix.com> Message-ID: <200304231652.52976.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Nope, it doesn't use java. It uses python and cgi scripts for web admin...You can manage mailman via a web interface or via email....If you have access to the mailman home directory, a number of administrative tasks can also be performed from there. Anthony On Tuesday 22 April 2003 13:19, mavs at panix.com wrote: > For managers and list users alike please tell me that Java is > not included in Mailman. > > It causes such a big problem with WAIS and other database > queries and with the ability to save links. > > Can I manage Mailman from my shell account through > Envirolink via my shell account at Panix.com. > > Envirolink,s ftp access REQUIRES Java which I do not have > and don't want to use because it has a public firewall > component. > > Java, like password accounts at some sites, limit use. > > I guess they believe that most people have java and do not > want to give the other 5 percent a historical option. > > > Richard Stafursky > (302) 645 -5592 > Lewes, DE > USA > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From daniel.richter at wimba.com Wed Apr 23 17:10:14 2003 From: daniel.richter at wimba.com (Dan Richter) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:10:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password via email? In-Reply-To: <1051025254.4114.107.camel@laptop.raw-talent.hopto.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030423170454.0344fb10@mail.wimba.com> >Is it possible for a user to retrieve a lost password via email? List members can retreive their passwords can be retrieved by going to the public list page . Follow the link to the appropriate list and you will see where you can get the password mailed to you. List moderators' and administrators' passwords cannot be retreived (to my knowledge), but they can be reset on the list administration page. The main super-duper-password, which controls access to everything in Mailman, cannot be retrieved, but it can be reset by logging in (i.e., to a shell on the machine) and executing the command bin/mmsitepass. ========== Dan Richter ============== mailto:Dan at wimba.com =========== People in my area called and said, "How can you support [GATT] when you haven't read it?" They assume I haven't read it. They're right, of course - but I resent a little that they assume I haven't read it. - U.S. Senator Robert Bennet (R-Utah) From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Wed Apr 23 17:02:07 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:02:07 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim and temporary dns lookup failures In-Reply-To: <1051010741.10212.62.camel@dirk2.int.tobit.co.uk> References: <1051010741.10212.62.camel@dirk2.int.tobit.co.uk> Message-ID: <1051110106.6218.68.camel@angua.localnet> On Tue, 2003-04-22 at 12:25, Dirk Koopman wrote: > Is there some way of stopping this behaviour? Or increasing the timeout > between retries? I am using Mailman 2.1.1 and exim 4.14. Why not just accept the stuff unchecked from Mailman (ie from ip 127.0.0.1), let exim sort it out and pass a bounce back to Mailman if it continues to be unable to deal with the message. You can specify that in an exim acl. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From thomas at elements.dk Wed Apr 23 18:55:26 2003 From: thomas at elements.dk (Thomas von Hassel) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:55:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces Message-ID: How does mailman read bounce messages ? ..i'm running Mailman with courier-mta, and everything works great except bounce processing fine.. ? /thomas -- itunes isn't playing right now From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 23 19:36:26 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:36:26 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030423181732.03ddf150@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 17:55 23/04/2003, Thomas von Hassel wrote: >How does mailman read bounce messages ? ..i'm running Mailman with >courier-mta, and everything works great except bounce processing fine.. ? > >/thomas > >-- > itunes isn't playing right now Depends on which version of Mailman you are using. A different mail alias is used on the outgoing mail "envelope" as sender in each case and this leads to bounces, which should come back to that alias, being handled by the MM-version specific mail delivery script; take a look at the mail aliases generated for a list to see what I mean, assuming you are running, say Sendmail, as your MTA: MM 2.0.x uses a sender of -admin and the script $prefix/scripts/mailowner is used to deliver the mail to MM, being called via $exec-prefix/mail/wrapper by your MTA. MM 2.1.x uses a sender of-bounces and the script $prefix/scripts/bounces is used to deliver the mail to MM, being called via $exec-prefix/mail/mailman by your MTA. Matters may be further complicated with MM 2.1.x if you turn on VERP'ing as this "personalises" the sender alias but the -bounces just has the user-specific VERP'ish stuff tacked onto it. From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 23 21:04:45 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:04:45 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422194519.00b7c650@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423160409.01aad908@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> I'd like to restate my offer. Could somebody install Python and Mailman for me remotely with SSH? Thanks! From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 21:19:31 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file Message-ID: I'm getting closer to getting this working, except I'm having problems with aliases. ( i think) # postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the README.POSTFIX talks about. Here is my maillog error. Apr 23 14:39:37 listserv postfix/nqmgr[8468]: F0D0D56FBB: from= om>, size=783, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 23 11:39:37 listserv postfix/local[8590]: fatal: open database /var/mailman/data/aliases.db: No such file or directory The message does get qued, and just sits there. Yesterday, working on this, ALL mail was going to the postfix e-mail account. I sent a message to myself at listserv.protected.com and it went there, as well as all the mailmain subscription tests. Any help would be appreciated, Mike From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 23 21:22:14 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:22:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030423192214.GT13538@charite.de> * Mike Gideon : > I'm getting closer to getting this working, except I'm having problems > with aliases. ( i think) > > # postconf -n > alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases > > there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the README.POSTFIX > talks about. Well, that's bad... > > Here is my maillog error. > Apr 23 14:39:37 listserv postfix/nqmgr[8468]: F0D0D56FBB: > from= > om>, size=783, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 23 11:39:37 listserv postfix/local[8590]: fatal: open database > /var/mailman/data/aliases.db: No such file or directory ... and the cause of your error. Does /var/mailman/data/aliases exist? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 21:26:21 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:26:21 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423192214.GT13538@charite.de> References: <20030423192214.GT13538@charite.de> Message-ID: no, the only files in data/ are adm.pw master-grunner.pid adn pending.pck Ralf Hildebrandt writes: >* Mike Gideon : >> I'm getting closer to getting this working, except I'm having problems >> with aliases. ( i think) >> >> # postconf -n >> alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases >> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases >> >> there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the README.POSTFIX >> talks about. > >Well, that's bad... >> >> Here is my maillog error. >> Apr 23 14:39:37 listserv postfix/nqmgr[8468]: F0D0D56FBB: >> from= >> om>, size=783, nrcpt=1 (queue active) >> Apr 23 11:39:37 listserv postfix/local[8590]: fatal: open database >> /var/mailman/data/aliases.db: No such file or directory > >... and the cause of your error. > >Does /var/mailman/data/aliases exist? > >-- >Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) >Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de >Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 >570-155 >Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 >570-916 >AIM: ralfpostfix From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 23 21:29:18 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gideon wrote: > I'm getting closer to getting this working, except I'm having problems > with aliases. ( i think) > > # postconf -n > alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases > alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases > > there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the README.POSTFIX > talks about. Have you run bin/genaliases? That creates the aliases.db file (technically, it calls postmap to do this, but who's being pedantic?). - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Stop tolerating in your leaders what you would not tolerate in your friends. -- Michael Ventura -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+pumNuv+09NZUB1oRAhDdAKDaGFOjtxCtUymD0lLkWOXdhovwEgCg3N2z cDHC953mW1DIVT4XeoXytPw= =nsRu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 23 21:29:23 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:29:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: References: <20030423192214.GT13538@charite.de> Message-ID: <20030423192923.GU13538@charite.de> * Mike Gideon : > no, the only files in data/ are > adm.pw > master-grunner.pid > adn pending.pck Hmm, > >> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases > >> > >> there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the README.POSTFIX > >> talks about. > > > >Well, that's bad... This file is where the aliases for the various lists should be try a "find / -name 'aliases*' " to hunt for all potential candidates. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 23 21:31:56 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:31:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030423193156.GW13538@charite.de> * Todd : > > there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the README.POSTFIX > > talks about. > > Have you run bin/genaliases? That creates the aliases.db file (technically, > it calls postmap to do this, but who's being pedantic?). >From WHAT is the file generated? (Just asking -- usually Mailman informss me to put stuff into the aliases file myself, so I ask) -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 21:35:34 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423192923.GU13538@charite.de> References: <20030423192214.GT13538@charite.de> <20030423192923.GU13538@charite.de> Message-ID: I have these: /etc/postfix/aliases.db /etc/postfix/aliases /etc/aliases Ralf Hildebrandt writes: >* Mike Gideon : >> no, the only files in data/ are >> adm.pw >> master-grunner.pid >> adn pending.pck > >Hmm, > >> >> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, >hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases >> >> >> >> there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the >README.POSTFIX >> >> talks about. >> > >> >Well, that's bad... > >This file is where the aliases for the various lists should be > >try a "find / -name 'aliases*' " to hunt for all potential candidates. > >-- >Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) >Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de >Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 >570-155 >Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 >570-916 >AIM: ralfpostfix From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 23 21:37:35 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:37:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: References: <20030423192214.GT13538@charite.de> <20030423192923.GU13538@charite.de> Message-ID: <20030423193735.GY13538@charite.de> * Mike Gideon : > I have these: > /etc/postfix/aliases.db > /etc/postfix/aliases > /etc/aliases Ok, so try the genaliases bit the other poster suggested. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 21:39:13 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: yes, It generated a list of aliases that it told me to put into my postfix aliases, so I added it to /etc/postfix/aliases and then restarted postfix. Todd writes: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Mike Gideon wrote: >> I'm getting closer to getting this working, except I'm having problems >> with aliases. ( i think) >> >> # postconf -n >> alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases >> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases >> >> there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the README.POSTFIX >> talks about. > >Have you run bin/genaliases? That creates the aliases.db file >(technically, >it calls postmap to do this, but who's being pedantic?). > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: >www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >============================================================================ >Stop tolerating in your leaders what you would not tolerate in your >friends. > -- Michael Ventura > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE+pumNuv+09NZUB1oRAhDdAKDaGFOjtxCtUymD0lLkWOXdhovwEgCg3N2z >cDHC953mW1DIVT4XeoXytPw= >=nsRu >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at miis.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40miis.edu From guallar at easternrad.com Wed Apr 23 21:31:23 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:31:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock Message-ID: <200304231531.23109.guallar@easternrad.com> Hi, We use mailman at work to manage a few lists (16) with an average of 10 users/list. The mail server is a Red Hat Linux 7.3 server, on a P-III-550/1,354,424KB with SCSI drives using ext3 filesystem. We run Postfix version 1.1.7-2 + Mailman version 2.0.13 + Python 1.5.2-43.73. We have a total of 75 mail users. The messages are text-based, i.e., usualy pretty small. Postfix works pretty fast. But mailman is slow. Mails to mailing lists take about 6 minutes. Individual mails are about instantaneous: Received: from ************ by by ********* (Postfix) with ESMTP id *******; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: sysadmin at easternrad.com Received: from ****** by ******** (Postfix) with SMTP id ********* for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Although the smtp log says that it only takes a few seconds: (...) Apr 23 07:12:02 2003 (28717) smtp for 6 recips, completed in 1.588 seconds Apr 23 10:56:10 2003 (30680) smtp for 31 recips, completed in 7.995 seconds Apr 23 12:54:23 2003 (31998) smtp for 5 recips, completed in 2.410 seconds (...) I've checked mailman logs and I've found this error, over and over again, at qrunner log file: (...) Apr 22 23:53:01 2003 (25973) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:54:00 2003 (25979) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:55:02 2003 (25994) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:56:03 2003 (26028) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:57:01 2003 (26035) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:58:01 2003 (26043) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:59:01 2003 (26045) Could not acquire qrunner lock (...) I've searched the mailman users archives, and the only symilar error was Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock The problem there was solved because there were a set of files showing up in the log file, that had to be deleted to improve performance (/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af* ) Unfortunately, no filenames show up in my logs. Also, permissions and DB both look OK: # ./check_perms No problems found ]# ./check_db all /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db is fine /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db.last is fine # *Right now* , qrunner is not running. And I see no qrunner lock files at /home/mailman/locks Any ideas? Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 21:41:27 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:41:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423193156.GW13538@charite.de> References: < > <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20030423193156.GW13538@charite.de> Message-ID: that is what I've been doing, here is the tail end of my aliases file. Just cut and pasted what genalaises said. ## mailman mailing list mailman: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" mailman-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" mailman-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" mailman-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" mailman-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" mailman-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" mailman-owner: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" mailman-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" mailman-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" mailman-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" ## listone mailing list listone: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post listone" listone-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin listone" listone-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces listone" listone-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm listone" listone-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join listone" listone-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave listone" listone-owner: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner listone" listone-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request listone" listone-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe listone" listone-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe listone" ## testlist mailing list testlist: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist" testlist-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin testlist" testlist-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces testlist" testlist-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm testlist" testlist-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join testlist" testlist-leave: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave testlist" testlist-owner: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner testlist" testlist-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request testlist" testlist-subscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe testlist" testlist-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe testlist" Ralf Hildebrandt writes: >* Todd : > >> > there is no /var/mailman/data/aliases.db file like the README.POSTFIX >> > talks about. >> >> Have you run bin/genaliases? That creates the aliases.db file >(technically, >> it calls postmap to do this, but who's being pedantic?). > >>From WHAT is the file generated? (Just asking -- usually Mailman >informss me to put stuff into the aliases file myself, so I ask) > >-- >Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) >Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de >Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 >570-155 >Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 >570-916 >AIM: ralfpostfix > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at miis.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40miis.edu From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 21:46:45 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:46:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423193735.GY13538@charite.de> References: < > <20030423192214.GT13538@charite.de> < > < > <20030423192923.GU13538@charite.de> < > <20030423193735.GY13538@charite.de> Message-ID: Hi Ralf, I did do that, all it does is spit out a list to the screen, I copied and pasted it to /etc/postfix/aliases and restart postfix, but still no aliases.db file. Mike Gideon writes: >Ralf Hildebrandt writes: >* Mike Gideon : >> I have these: >> /etc/postfix/aliases.db >> /etc/postfix/aliases >> /etc/aliases > >Ok, so try the genaliases bit the other poster suggested. > >-- >Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) >Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de >Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 >570-155 >Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 >570-916 >AIM: ralfpostfix > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at miis.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40miis.edu > From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 23 21:53:52 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:53:52 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Because nobody offered to install it for me, i went to do it myself. On python install: [root at Vectec root]# rpm -i python-2.2.2-7.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 libcrypto.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by python-2.2.2-7 libdb-4.0.so is needed by python-2.2.2-7 libreadline.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 libssl.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 Ok, now what? From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 23 21:56:45 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:56:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: References: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030423195645.GT3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gideon wrote: > yes, > It generated a list of aliases that it told me to put into my postfix > aliases, so I added it to /etc/postfix/aliases and then restarted postfix. It sounds like you may have run genaliases before you put MTA = 'Postfix' into mm_cfg.py. Once you set the MTA to postfix, genaliases should generate the ~mailman/data/aliases files. There is then no need to manually put them into your /etc/postfix/aliases file. You might want to go back through the README.POSTFIX file and make sure you have followed each step in order. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ If you don't drink, smoke, or drive a car, you're a tax evader. -- Rep. Thomas S. Foley, 1990 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+pu/9uv+09NZUB1oRAhR3AKDCoi3P8dpvoeM8ln7GlOoqpB9QSwCfUCVM gm8+BUUHmpqoFQude2xbB7A= =I5lq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 23 22:01:29 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:01:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030423200129.GD13538@charite.de> * Cody Harris : > Because nobody offered to install it for me, i went to do it myself. On > python install: > > [root at Vectec root]# rpm -i python-2.2.2-7.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 > libcrypto.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 > libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by python-2.2.2-7 > libdb-4.0.so is needed by python-2.2.2-7 > libreadline.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 > libssl.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 > > Ok, now what? Install the failing dependencies. Welcome to RedHat's RPM hell. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 22:08:52 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:08:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423195645.GT3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: < > <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> < > <20030423195645.GT3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: I origionally installed from RedHat 9 intaller. That was just flat our wrong. Half the directories were wrong, just all kinds of problems. I've been playing with this for almost a week now. I have gone over the README.POSTFIX, and README, and INSTALL files over and over and over. I even printed them out and am jotting notes on them as I go. I think I may just do the make clean trick, but I've been hammering on this so hard, the exact ./configure line with the options I chose has already rolled throught the history file. When I did this I thing I did ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman --with-mail-gid=41 --with-cgi-apache Is there anyting I missed that would be causing this? Mike Todd writes: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Mike Gideon wrote: >> yes, >> It generated a list of aliases that it told me to put into my postfix >> aliases, so I added it to /etc/postfix/aliases and then restarted >postfix. > >It sounds like you may have run genaliases before you put MTA = 'Postfix' >into mm_cfg.py. Once you set the MTA to postfix, genaliases should >generate >the ~mailman/data/aliases files. There is then no need to manually put >them >into your /etc/postfix/aliases file. > >You might want to go back through the README.POSTFIX file and make sure >you >have followed each step in order. > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: >www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >============================================================================ >If you don't drink, smoke, or drive a car, you're a tax evader. > -- Rep. Thomas S. Foley, 1990 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE+pu/9uv+09NZUB1oRAhR3AKDCoi3P8dpvoeM8ln7GlOoqpB9QSwCfUCVM >gm8+BUUHmpqoFQude2xbB7A= >=I5lq >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at miis.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40miis.edu From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 22:14:29 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:14:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423195645.GT3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: < > <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> < > <20030423195645.GT3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: That may have happened, but Todd, the results of the genaliases tells me to manually enter it into my /etc/postfix/aliases file. Here is the printout. To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the `newaliases' program: ## listone mailing list Todd writes: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Mike Gideon wrote: >> yes, >> It generated a list of aliases that it told me to put into my postfix >> aliases, so I added it to /etc/postfix/aliases and then restarted >postfix. > >It sounds like you may have run genaliases before you put MTA = 'Postfix' >into mm_cfg.py. Once you set the MTA to postfix, genaliases should >generate >the ~mailman/data/aliases files. There is then no need to manually put >them >into your /etc/postfix/aliases file. > >You might want to go back through the README.POSTFIX file and make sure >you >have followed each step in order. > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: >www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >============================================================================ >If you don't drink, smoke, or drive a car, you're a tax evader. > -- Rep. Thomas S. Foley, 1990 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE+pu/9uv+09NZUB1oRAhR3AKDCoi3P8dpvoeM8ln7GlOoqpB9QSwCfUCVM >gm8+BUUHmpqoFQude2xbB7A= >=I5lq >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at miis.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40miis.edu From aaron.bennett at olin.edu Wed Apr 23 22:13:41 2003 From: aaron.bennett at olin.edu (Aaron Bennett) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:13:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <20030423200129.GD13538@charite.de> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <20030423200129.GD13538@charite.de> Message-ID: <3EA6F3F5.6060104@olin.edu> Better answer: install apt for rpm from http://apt.freshrpms.net. Then do apt-get install python and presto, it will install everything needed for python. Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > * Cody Harris : > >>Because nobody offered to install it for me, i went to do it myself. On >>python install: >> >>[root at Vectec root]# rpm -i python-2.2.2-7.i386.rpm >>error: failed dependencies: >> rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >> libcrypto.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >> libdb-4.0.so is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >> libreadline.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >> libssl.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >> >>Ok, now what? > > > Install the failing dependencies. Welcome to RedHat's RPM hell. > -- Aaron Bennett UNIX Administrator Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 23 22:33:32 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:33:32 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <3EA6F603.50905@mitre.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171618.019e6c10@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171106.019e6d70@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171106.019e6d70@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171618.019e6c10@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423173255.019872e8@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Belive it or not, apt won't install... [root at Vectec root]# rpm -i apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 [root at Vectec root]# I should try the version down.... At 04:22 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Cody, > >1. email. See if you can send email to your account on your machine from >another computer. > >2. apt. The apt RPMs are basically tailored to the version of rpm you >have (rpm -q rpm). So you could get the right version without running Red >Hat. I don't know as much about Mandrake, and whether it has apt or >something similar running on it. > >But as someone else already pointed out, when you don't have the >dependencies, trying to get each package individually is hell. Because >some of them have dependencies, etc, etc. > >Cody Harris wrote: > >>I have webmin, and i have mandrake 8.1 >>At 04:14 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>Cody, >>> >>>I started as a newbie on a machine I was building myself. It took >>>awhile to get email working. I eventually got rid of Sendmail and put >>>in Postfix (both should be on the Red Hat CDs). A lot easier to manage. >>> >>>Another neat package to look at is "webmin". It lets you administer a >>>lot of the machine via the web, hiding complexity of editing files by hand. >>> >>>What version of Red Hat are you using? >>> >>>Cody Harris wrote: >>> >>>>Ummmm...do i don't....i'm a newbie basicly. >>>>At 04:10 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>>> >>>>>Cody, >>>>> >>>>>Here is what I suggest, since you have so many dependencies involved. >>>>> >>>>>Go to http://apt.freshrpms.net/ and download the version of apt for >>>>>the Linux version you have, presumable some form of RedHat. Then use >>>>>it to get and install python - it will also get and install any >>>>>packages it depends on. Make sure you also get python-devel. >>>>> >>>>>Then goto http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 >>>>>and get mailman 2.1.1. uncompress, untar, and read INSTALL. >>>>> >>>>>Do you already have email working on this machine? >>>>> >>>>>Cody Harris wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Because nobody offered to install it for me, i went to do it myself. >>>>>>On python install: >>>>>>[root at Vectec root]# rpm -i python-2.2.2-7.i386.rpm >>>>>>error: failed dependencies: >>>>>> rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by >>>>>> python-2.2.2-7 >>>>>> libcrypto.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>>>> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>>>> libdb-4.0.so is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>>>> libreadline.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>>>> libssl.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>>>>Ok, now what? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>> >>>>>John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own >>>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own >>>email: jdecarlo at mitre.org >>>voice: 703-883-7116 >>>fax: 703-883-3383 >>>DISA cube: 703-882-0593 >> > >-- > >John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own >email: jdecarlo at mitre.org >voice: 703-883-7116 >fax: 703-883-3383 >DISA cube: 703-882-0593 > From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 23 22:37:02 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:37:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423173255.019872e8@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171618.019e6c10@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171106.019e6d70@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171106.019e6d70@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171618.019e6c10@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423173255.019872e8@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030423203702.GB11717@charite.de> * Cody Harris : > Belive it or not, apt won't install... > [root at Vectec root]# rpm -i apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > [root at Vectec root]# Your FIRST step is to install the most recent rpm package. Then try again with apt -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Wed Apr 23 22:37:05 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:37:05 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <20030423203702.GB11717@charite.de> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423173255.019872e8@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171618.019e6c10@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171106.019e6d70@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171106.019e6d70@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423171618.019e6c10@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423173255.019872e8@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423173640.00bc3740@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> What most recent rpm package? Where do i get that? At 10:37 PM 4/23/2003 +0200, you wrote: >* Cody Harris : > > Belive it or not, apt won't install... > > [root at Vectec root]# rpm -i apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > [root at Vectec root]# > >Your FIRST step is to install the most recent rpm package. >Then try again with apt > >-- >Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de >Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 >Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 >AIM: ralfpostfix From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Wed Apr 23 22:38:48 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:38:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <3EA6F3F5.6060104@olin.edu> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423165303.019e4de0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <20030423200129.GD13538@charite.de> <3EA6F3F5.6060104@olin.edu> Message-ID: <20030423203848.GC11717@charite.de> * Aaron Bennett : > Better answer: install apt for rpm from http://apt.freshrpms.net. > > Then do apt-get install python and presto, it will install everything > needed for python. Yep, told him that. While he's at it, he could also go for the real thing and install Debian. But right now rpm needs to be upgraded. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Wed Apr 23 22:33:22 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:33:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D113@STJOSEPHMAIL> *chuckles* This is why I got away from RedHat.. RPM Hell. Gentoo's Portage system is so wonderful :) --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Ralf Hildebrandt [mailto:Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:37 PM To: Cody Harris Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems * Cody Harris : > Belive it or not, apt won't install... > [root at Vectec root]# rpm -i apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2.i386.rpm > error: failed dependencies: > librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > [root at Vectec root]# Your FIRST step is to install the most recent rpm package. Then try again with apt -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep h.mo.us From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Wed Apr 23 22:35:05 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:35:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D114@STJOSEPHMAIL> www.redhat.com :) --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Cody Harris [mailto:hchs at ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:37 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems What most recent rpm package? Where do i get that? At 10:37 PM 4/23/2003 +0200, you wrote: >* Cody Harris : > > Belive it or not, apt won't install... > > [root at Vectec root]# rpm -i apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > [root at Vectec root]# > >Your FIRST step is to install the most recent rpm package. >Then try again with apt > >-- >Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de >Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 >Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 >AIM: ralfpostfix ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep h.mo.us From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 23 22:49:45 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:49:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423193156.GW13538@charite.de> References: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20030423193156.GW13538@charite.de> Message-ID: <20030423204945.GU3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > From WHAT is the file generated? (Just asking -- usually Mailman > informss me to put stuff into the aliases file myself, so I ask) If you have MTA = 'Postfix' set, then genaliases will put the aliases into ~mailman/data/aliases instead of printing them to the stdout. I'm not a real python expert, but the code that creates the aliases in genaliases calls Utils.list_names() to loop over the list names. It is quite nice to not have to mess around with aliases manually. If you're running postfix, it's definitely worth setting up the integration. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ People who make history know nothing about history. You can see that in the sort of history they make. -- G. K. Chesterton -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+pvxpuv+09NZUB1oRAqFDAJ9/Lg8wZb/knVJ9hM0Sbf0VW7JMZgCgqCGB /BoutcUKBlKYrF6EvU6WpCo= =TGmb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 23 23:00:18 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:00:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: References: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20030423195645.GT3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030423210018.GV3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gideon wrote: > That may have happened, but Todd, the results of the genaliases tells me > to manually enter it into my /etc/postfix/aliases file. Here is the > printout. > > To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or > equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the > `newaliases' program: > ## listone mailing list Do you have MTA = 'Postfix' set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py? You should only get the prompt to add the aliases manual if you don't have MTA set (or have it set to Manual or something). If you change the mm_cfg.py file, you'll also need to restart the mailman service so that the qrunners pick up the changes. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes. -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+pv7iuv+09NZUB1oRAq/FAKCYWJJui41jeoP/lp/HwGG54RHRLgCfZlhQ WoicO5FYf1ZghmhOTTVT5sQ= =DRJ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mike at miis.edu Wed Apr 23 23:07:19 2003 From: mike at miis.edu (Mike Gideon) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: <20030423210018.GV3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: < > <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> < > < > <20030423195645.GT3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> < > <20030423210018.GV3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: Yes, the MTA='Postfix' is in the mm_cfg.py file, and I have restarted that server a few times. It won't hurt to try again though. Todd writes: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Mike Gideon wrote: >> That may have happened, but Todd, the results of the genaliases tells me >> to manually enter it into my /etc/postfix/aliases file. Here is the >> printout. >> >> To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases >(or >> equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the >> `newaliases' program: >> ## listone mailing list > >Do you have > > MTA = 'Postfix' > >set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py? You should only get the prompt to add >the aliases manual if you don't have MTA set (or have it set to Manual or >something). If you change the mm_cfg.py file, you'll also need to restart >the mailman service so that the qrunners pick up the changes. > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: >www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >============================================================================ >Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes. > -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE+pv7iuv+09NZUB1oRAq/FAKCYWJJui41jeoP/lp/HwGG54RHRLgCfZlhQ >WoicO5FYf1ZghmhOTTVT5sQ= >=DRJ+ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: mike at miis.edu >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40miis.edu From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 23 23:23:28 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:23:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing aliases.db file In-Reply-To: References: <20030423192918.GS3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20030423195645.GT3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20030423210018.GV3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <20030423212328.GY3924@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Gideon wrote: > Yes, the > MTA='Postfix' is in the mm_cfg.py file, and I have restarted that server a > few times. > It won't hurt to try again though. Hmm, Then I'm not sure why genaliases wouldn't be creating the aliases files for you. Something else must be messed up, but I'm not really sure what it would be. Maybe someone else will pipe in with some suggestions. If you really wanted, you could just put the output of genaliases into data/aliases and then run postmap on that to cread aliases.db, but that would only be a band-aid solution. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Truth is like a well-known whore. Everybody knows her but it's embarrassing to meet her in the street. -- Wolfgang Borchert -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+pwRPuv+09NZUB1oRAiS8AJ40o9YeuE+tjlsOSsSJmjJ3nOU2TgCfWCFT sXuwucLheDC0shTyf8WEFoc= =hd/v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From droberts at statalabs.com Wed Apr 23 23:50:01 2003 From: droberts at statalabs.com (Doug Roberts) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:50:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + MhonArc problems Message-ID: <200304232150.ABP48897@m1.imap-partners.net> Hi all - Using version 2.1.1 of Mailman, I'm having the following symptoms: - MHonArc is installed and works fine when called like this (as mailman user and as root): mhonarc -mbox /var/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox -outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/mailman I'm following the only directions I could find, which are for RedHat 6.2, Mailman 2.0.5 and MhonArc 2.4.5 (I have RH 8.0, Mm 2.1.1 and MH 2.6.3). They had me add the following to /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mhonarchive' PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s >> /tmp/out_external_archiver' PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s >> /tmp/out_external_archiver' When a message is sent to the same list (mailman), I get the following errors in /var/log/mailman/errors Apr 23 15:15:37 2003 (28514) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Apr 23 15:15:37 2003 (28514) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 198, in ArchiveMail self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 172, in ExternalArchive extarch.write(txt) IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe I've poked around the code, but I'm at about neck-level already, so the odds of me debugging this on my own are pretty slim. Any ideas? Google search and searching the archives haven't turned up anything. Doug Roberts droberts at statalabs.com From marilyn at deliberate.com Thu Apr 24 00:55:36 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + MhonArc problems In-Reply-To: <200304232150.ABP48897@m1.imap-partners.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Doug Roberts wrote: > Hi all - > > Using version 2.1.1 of Mailman, I'm having the following symptoms: I don't know how to debug your problem but I just got it working nicely by putting this into my mm_cfg.py: ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'mhonarc -add -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s;mv /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/maillist.html /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/index.html' PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER; ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER = 0 ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0 PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/archives/%(listname)s' --- And into my httpd.conf I added: Alias /archives/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" --- It seems to work beautifully for my virtual domains for public and private lists. Notice that I put the mhonarc archives where the pipermail archives would have been so that the private/public option comes for free. I hope this helps. Marilyn Davis From vjrj at ourproject.org Thu Apr 24 01:52:41 2003 From: vjrj at ourproject.org (Vicente Ruiz) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:52:41 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header - ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range Message-ID: <1051141927.31923.2135.camel@hope> Hi everyone: When I try to confirm a unsubscribe replying to a email confirmation without touch the subject I get this error: Apr 24 01:28:43 2003 (17471) Uncaught runner exception: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 24 01:28:43 2003 (17471) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 209, in _dispose res.process() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 94, in process stop = self.do_command(cmd, args) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 119, in do_command return self.do_command(cmd, args) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 121, in do_command return handler.process(self, args) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_confirm.py", line 45, in process results = mlist.ProcessConfirmation(cookie, res.msg) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1081, in ProcessConfirmation self.ApprovedDeleteMember(addr, whence=whence) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 935, in ApprovedDeleteMember msg = Message.OwnerNotification(self, subject, text) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 257, in __init__ UserNotification.__init__(self, recips, sender, subject, text, lang) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 203, in __init__ self['Subject'] = Header(subject, charset, header_name='Subject') File "/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 164, in __init__ self.append(s, charset) File "/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 230, in append ustr = unicode(s, incodec) UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128) Apr 24 01:28:43 2003 (17471) SHUNTING: 1051140522.909905+0ceb970e7c36eb012ebf2cb90fb0b6ad60d3cfbb Any idea what happens? I use mailman_2.1.1-4 Thanks in advance, Vicente From droberts at statalabs.com Thu Apr 24 01:53:47 2003 From: droberts at statalabs.com (Doug Roberts) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + MhonArc problems Message-ID: <200304232353.ABP50060@m1.imap-partners.net> > I don't know how to debug your problem but I just got it working nicely > by putting this into my mm_cfg.py: > > ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'mhonarc -add -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s;mv /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/maillist.html /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/index.html' > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER; > ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER = 0 > ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0 > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/archives/%(listname)s' > > --- > > And into my httpd.conf I added: > > Alias /archives/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" > > --- I modified your solution slightly to: ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'mhonarc -add -outdir /var/mhonarch/archives/%(listname)s' PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER; ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER = 0 ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0 PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/archives/%(listname)s' and my httpd.conf has: Alias /mhonarchive/ "/var/mhonarc/archives/" Although no errors pop up that I can see, the MHonArc arcves don't get updated with new messages, although no errors show in the log. Attachments still break the archiver: Apr 23 17:45:48 2003 (29084) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Apr 23 17:45:48 2003 (29084) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py", line 73, in _dispose mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 198, in ArchiveMail self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 172, in ExternalArchive extarch.write(txt) IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe Thanks, though. Anyone else? Doug From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 24 02:00:46 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:00:46 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D113@STJOSEPHMAIL> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423205855.01ad0e80@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Ok, now i'm BEGGING! PLEASE! SOMEONE! ANYONE! Install this stuff! PLEASE!!! I don't care if you know squat about mandrake but know about RH or whever! PLEASE! JUST GIVE IT A TRY! *Ahem* Thanks. At 03:33 PM 4/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: >*chuckles* > >This is why I got away from RedHat.. RPM Hell. Gentoo's Portage system is >so wonderful :) > >--- >Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ >Computer Support Technician >City of St Joseph >jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us >http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ralf Hildebrandt [mailto:Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de] >Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:37 PM >To: Cody Harris >Cc: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems > > >* Cody Harris : > > Belive it or not, apt won't install... > > [root at Vectec root]# rpm -i apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2.i386.rpm > > error: failed dependencies: > > librpm-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > librpmdb-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > librpmio-4.0.4.so is needed by apt-0.5.5cnc5-fr0.rh73.2 > > [root at Vectec root]# > >Your FIRST step is to install the most recent rpm package. >Then try again with apt > >-- >Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de >Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 >Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 >AIM: ralfpostfix > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep >h.mo.us >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca From raywood at magma.ca Thu Apr 24 03:16:48 2003 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:16:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423205855.01ad0e80@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D113@STJOSEPHMAIL> <5.2.0.9.0.20030423205855.01ad0e80@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030424011648.GA8194@magma.ca> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 09:00:46PM -0300, Cody Harris imagined: > Ok, now i'm Install this stuff! deleted> !!! I don't care if you know squat about mandrake > but know about RH or whever! *Ahem* > > Thanks. I don't know if anyone has mentioned 'urpmi' to you, but if not you should give it a try, as it is better than apt-rpm, and will resolve all dependencies in a fashion similar to Debian's apt-get (which is what I use). Mandrake (which I gather is what you are using) has an RPM package for urpmi -- if you can just get this tool installed it will solve all your dependency problems (a.k.a. "RPM Hell") once and for all. Good luck! Raymond - -- "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is brought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" (Gandhi) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+pzrztl2G2Ts8DgMRAjaMAKC/ku7Bz6o5CNcOUQFr695Tess5UQCfa+wT lSEAXeXEkFTMkggkPBKM4nI= =yJNY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 24 03:40:44 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:40:44 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] urpmi Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423224002.020f8c38@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Hey, what should i enter into the urpmi.addmedia? This is what it says i need: http: urpmi.addmedia http:/// with Where is your reference for the media (e.g. MandrakeUpdate). / is the location of the rpm directory on the net. is the pathname where to find the hdlist of the rpms. The location is given relative to . Note that wget is used to download files, you may add specific options to wget by editing /etc/wgetrc file. Please refer to wget documentation for more information. urpmi.addmedia ftp://:@/ with So um? From raywood at magma.ca Thu Apr 24 03:55:39 2003 From: raywood at magma.ca (Raymond Wood) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:55:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] urpmi In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423224002.020f8c38@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423224002.020f8c38@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030424015539.GC8194@magma.ca> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:40:44PM -0300, Cody Harris imagined: > Hey, what should i enter into the urpmi.addmedia? This is what > it says i need: > > http: > > urpmi.addmedia http:/// with of hdlist> > Where is your reference for the media (e.g. > MandrakeUpdate). > / is the location of the rpm directory on the net. > is the pathname where to find the > hdlist of the > rpms. The location is given relative to . > Note that wget is used to download files, you may add > specific options to > wget by editing /etc/wgetrc file. Please refer to wget > documentation for > more information. > > urpmi.addmedia ftp://:@/ with > of hdlist> > > So um? > Holy smokes Cody -- don't wear out your welcome on this list with off-topic posts. This is a Mandrake issue, not a Mailman issue. You're more likely to get fast answer, and stay on-topic, if you: o search Google for 'urpmi'. o search some online Mandrake archives for keywork 'urpmi'. o find a #Mandrake IRC channel. o post to a #Mandrake mailing list. Once you've got a handle on using 'urpmi', come back here with real Mailman questions. My $0.02, Raymond - -- "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is brought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" (Gandhi) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+p0Pptl2G2Ts8DgMRAoDfAJ9B/0rd6kT2BS87q97M1ZprrrlE7gCeOw4h Ww5UWrB4UQ+3kSDxq18Tajw= =p3jB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kearn at innergamer.net Thu Apr 24 04:36:38 2003 From: kearn at innergamer.net (Ryan Ghering) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:36:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] stat=Operating system error HELP!! Message-ID: <009d01c30a0a$55f7f4d0$0501a8c0@DS9> I need a bit of help here, I'm running Mailman version 2.0.13 on an ensim 3.1x box with an alt install of python 2.2, I've gotten aliases file and all the paths and permissions correct check_perms says everything is ok, I've gotten mailman to install to the correct place in the virtual domain file system /home/virtual/site#/fst/var/mailman however I continue to get stat=Operating system error when sending mail to a list I have setup, can anyone shed some light on this please. Ensim has majordomo on it but my clients are requiring that I use mailman Any help is appreciated. Thank you Ryan From Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Thu Apr 24 07:13:27 2003 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:13:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems In-Reply-To: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D113@STJOSEPHMAIL> References: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D113@STJOSEPHMAIL> Message-ID: <20030424051327.GD16607@charite.de> * jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us : > *chuckles* > > This is why I got away from RedHat.. RPM Hell. Gentoo's Portage system is > so wonderful :) According to the Mandrake Site: Our set of URPMI tools (urpmi, urpme) combined with the Software Manager and MandrakeUpdate provide everything needed to easily install and uninstall software packages either with a few typed commands or with a few clicks of the mouse. The Software Management System solves software dependencies automatically and performs system security updates through the Internet. Both the Software Manager and MandrakeUpdate have been completely reworked to provide the easiest software management system ever. So I'd try: urpmi urpme MandrakeUpdate -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V a) Ralf.Hildebrandt at charite.de Charite Campus Mitte Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V a - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 AIM: ralfpostfix From a.carter at cordis.lu Thu Apr 24 10:48:02 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:48:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423160409.01aad908@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030423160409.01aad908@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200304241048.02451.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> I think the problem with your offer is that we all know that if the installation is cocked up or that there are problems in the future, no-one wants to have the responsibility of running another mailing list (one is enough)... However, I suggest you read the installation memo that comes with the installation package...It is very clear and the application is quite simple. Also, python is quite simple too... Good Luck, Anthony On Wednesday 23 April 2003 21:04, Cody Harris wrote: > I'd like to restate my offer. > > Could somebody install Python and Mailman for me remotely with SSH? > > Thanks! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 24 14:21:26 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:21:26 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Problems Problems Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424092119.01a2e8e0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Whoa, after installing mailman (well, i'm at the setup the mail part) i got: [mailman at Vectec cron]$ cd /usr/local/src/mailman-2.0 You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/mailman [mailman at Vectec mailman-2.0]$ mail Mail version 8.1.1 6/6/93. Type ? for help. "/var/spool/mail/mailman": 6 messages 6 new >N 1 root at Vectec.Wolf Thu Apr 24 08:15 18/716 "Cron /usr/bin/python " N 2 root at Vectec.Wolf Thu Apr 24 08:15 19/818 "Cron /usr/bin/python " N 3 root at Vectec.Wolf Thu Apr 24 08:16 19/818 "Cron /usr/bin/python " N 4 root at Vectec.Wolf Thu Apr 24 08:17 19/818 "Cron /usr/bin/python " N 5 root at Vectec.Wolf Thu Apr 24 08:18 19/818 "Cron /usr/bin/python " N 6 root at Vectec.Wolf Thu Apr 24 08:19 19/818 "Cron /usr/bin/python " & 1 Message 1: From mailman at Vectec.Wolf Thu Apr 24 08:15:19 2003 Delivered-To: mailman at vectec.wolf From: root at Vectec.Wolf (Cron Daemon) To: mailman at Vectec.Wolf Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:15:18 -0300 (ADT) /usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py:15: DeprecationWarning: the regsub module is deprecated; please use re.sub() DeprecationWarning) & q Saved 1 message in mbox Held 5 messages in /var/spool/mail/mailman [mailman at Vectec mailman-2.0]$ BTW, it was going to look for readme.postfix. At 04:14 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Cody, > >I started as a newbie on a machine I was building myself. It took awhile >to get email working. I eventually got rid of Sendmail and put in Postfix >(both should be on the Red Hat CDs). A lot easier to manage. > >Another neat package to look at is "webmin". It lets you administer a lot >of the machine via the web, hiding complexity of editing files by hand. > >What version of Red Hat are you using? > >Cody Harris wrote: > >>Ummmm...do i don't....i'm a newbie basicly. >>At 04:10 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >> >>>Cody, >>> >>>Here is what I suggest, since you have so many dependencies involved. >>> >>>Go to http://apt.freshrpms.net/ and download the version of apt for the >>>Linux version you have, presumable some form of RedHat. Then use it to >>>get and install python - it will also get and install any packages it >>>depends on. Make sure you also get python-devel. >>> >>>Then goto http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 and >>>get mailman 2.1.1. uncompress, untar, and read INSTALL. >>> >>>Do you already have email working on this machine? >>> >>>Cody Harris wrote: >>> >>>>Because nobody offered to install it for me, i went to do it myself. On >>>>python install: >>>>[root at Vectec root]# rpm -i python-2.2.2-7.i386.rpm >>>>error: failed dependencies: >>>> rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>> libcrypto.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3) is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>> libdb-4.0.so is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>> libreadline.so.4 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>> libssl.so.2 is needed by python-2.2.2-7 >>>>Ok, now what? >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > >-- > >John DeCarlo, The MITRE Corporation, My Views Are My Own >email: jdecarlo at mitre.org >voice: 703-883-7116 >fax: 703-883-3383 >DISA cube: 703-882-0593 From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 24 14:28:30 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:28:30 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424092811.01afc3b0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Ok, this is what my server is mailing me!!! >Delivered-To: mailman at vectec.wolf >From: root at Vectec.Wolf (Cron Daemon) >To: mailman at Vectec.Wolf >Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >X-Cron-Env: >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:27:08 -0300 (ADT) > >/home/mailman/cron/qrunner:0: SyntaxWarning: name '_listcache' is assigned >to before global declaration >/usr/lib/python2.1/regsub.py:15: DeprecationWarning: the regsub module is >deprecated; please use re.sub() > DeprecationWarning) From david at midrange.com Thu Apr 24 15:03:24 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:03:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman + MhonArc problems References: <200304232150.ABP48897@m1.imap-partners.net> Message-ID: "Doug Roberts" wrote in message news:200304232150.ABP48897 at m1.imap-partners.net... > - MHonArc is installed and works fine when called like this (as mailman user and as root): > mhonarc -mbox /var/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox - > outdir /var/mhonarc/archives/mailman I know this doesn't address your specific problem ... but a long time ago I had problems invoking MHonArc from Mailman ... so, instead of calling mhonarc directly from mailman, I invoked it via a shell script. I also break my archives up by month ... and using a script makes it infinitely easier. david From dinn at twistedpair.ca Thu Apr 24 16:34:08 2003 From: dinn at twistedpair.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:34:08 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translation Problems Fixed Message-ID: <20030424143408.GX14900@blend.twistedpair.ca> I had written earlier: > I'm hoping someone's seen this before - when I go to admin.cgi/listname, I > get a 500 Internal Server Error. From using strace, this appears to be due > to translations: > > 26862 stat("/home/mailman/messages/en_US.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", > 0xbfffef8c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > 26862 stat("/home/mailman/messages/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", > 0xbfffef8c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > 26862 stat("/home/mailman/messages/en.ISO8859-1/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", > 0xbfffef8c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) > 26862 stat("/home/mailman/messages/en/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo", > {st_mode=S_ISUID|S_ISGID|0502000712, st_size=0, ...}) = 0 > 26862 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) --- > 26857 <... read resumed> "", 4096) = 0 > 26857 --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) --- > > Anyone seen this before? Slackware version 7.0.0, libc-2.1.2... > Upgrading glibc to the lastest release version fixed the problem completely. -- Michael 'Moose' Dinn, Twisted Pair Network Consulting Incorporated dinn at twistedpair.ca // 902 423 4700 (voice) // 902 423 8407 (fax) Colocate your server in our underground bunker! From heather at pcgal.com Thu Apr 24 17:55:51 2003 From: heather at pcgal.com (Heather J. Lubinsky) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:55:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading information needed Message-ID: <039d01c30a79$fc080350$c94545a9@lubinsky.com> I want to upgrade from 2.0.8 to 2.1.1 I have python 2.1 Apache (not sure how to find the version) and Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf) I would like to know what problems I should look for and how long most of you have found an upgrade takes. Thanks, Heather Lubinsky heather at pcgal.com From marilyn at deliberate.com Thu Apr 24 18:20:01 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + MhonArc problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, my solution wasn't so well tested. I'm now running with a simpler solution: ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'mhonarc -add -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER = 0 ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0 PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/archives/%(listname)s' --- And into my httpd.conf I added: Alias /archives/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" --- But, I did this by hand: ln /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/maillist.html /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/index.html MHonArc expects to find maillist.html and mailman expects to find index.html. Now both are happy in all circumstances. Maybe this is more robust. Marilyn From heather at pcgal.com Thu Apr 24 18:34:04 2003 From: heather at pcgal.com (Heather J. Lubinsky) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:34:04 -0700 Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading information needed Message-ID: <045901c30a7f$523c6540$c94545a9@lubinsky.com> Thanks to Aaron - my apache version is: Server version: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) Server built: Dec 3 2001 20:56:29 > I want to upgrade from 2.0.8 to 2.1.1 > I have python 2.1 > Apache (not sure how to find the version) > and Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf) > > I would like to know what problems I should look for and how long most of you have found an upgrade takes. > > Thanks, > Heather Lubinsky > heather at pcgal.com From ptatters at zerobyzero.ca Thu Apr 24 18:34:33 2003 From: ptatters at zerobyzero.ca (Peter Tattersall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mac OSX version? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You don't need a specific version to run under Mac OS X. It runs 'straight out of the box' and is the software Apple uses for a number of its lists, presumably from X Server. I run several lists with Mailman and qmail (since I don't care for sendmail) under MacOS X (currently 10.2.4). It can also be run with sendmail, but the most common configuration is probably Mailman and postfix. While installation is straightforward if you are comfortable working with Unix, if you're a total newbie you should get some help from a more experienced person who can hold your hand through the process. On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 12:55 AM, Will Castagna wrote: > Is there a version of your software that runs on Mac OSX or OSX > Server? TIA From marilyn at deliberate.com Thu Apr 24 19:12:03 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + MhonArc problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Look at that, I dropped a single-quote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Marilyn Davis wrote: > Well, my solution wasn't so well tested. I'm now running with a > simpler solution: > > ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'mhonarc -add -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s And the end of that line should be a ' : PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'mhonarc -add -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s' I hope that's the last you hear from me on this subject. :^) Marilyn > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER > ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER = 0 > ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0 > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/archives/%(listname)s' > > --- > > And into my httpd.conf I added: > > Alias /archives/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" > > --- > > But, I did this by hand: > > ln /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/maillist.html /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s/index.html > > MHonArc expects to find maillist.html and mailman expects to find > index.html. Now both are happy in all circumstances. Maybe this is more > robust. > > Marilyn > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: marilyn at deliberate.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com > From droberts at statalabs.com Thu Apr 24 19:28:31 2003 From: droberts at statalabs.com (Doug Roberts) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + MhonArc problems Message-ID: <200304241728.ABP65628@m1.imap-partners.net> > Well, my solution wasn't so well tested. I'm now running with a > simpler solution: > > ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'mhonarc -add -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER > ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER = 0 > ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0 > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/archives/%(listname)s' That is effectively what I cut mine down to, also. My problem seems to be that the archiver simply isn't being called when a new message hits the list. The FAQ on setting up mailman with Mhonarc is a well intentioned joke: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp so I may have to do what David suggested and run a shell script every 5 minutes that does the archiving. It's silly, but I don't see another solution that will get me up and running any time soon. Thanks for your help, Doug From marilyn at deliberate.com Thu Apr 24 19:46:01 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + MhonArc problems In-Reply-To: <200304241728.ABP65628@m1.imap-partners.net> Message-ID: Yes the documentation and faq seem to be very lacking in this area. And it's hard to get each and every detail right. You have to do a "mailmanctl restart" everytime you change this stuff for the archiving qrunner to see the changes. Look in the logs for complaints. In the end, to get it going, I inserted this bit of code into /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py:ArchiveMail() deb = open("/tmp/debug","w") deb.write( xxxx ) deb.close() os.system("mail marilyn < /tmp/debug") where xxxx is whatever variable I wanted to look at. That way I could see what was happening -- it got delivered to my mailbox. If it didn't get to my mailbox, it meant that that part of the code wasn't reached and I had to back up to see why not. You do have: > > ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 It must be 2. Now then, I have to coax MHonArc to do something better than the default and I have sworn to forget perl since I met python. Good luck to both of us. Marilyn On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Doug Roberts wrote: > > Well, my solution wasn't so well tested. I'm now running with a > > simpler solution: > > > > ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 > > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'mhonarc -add -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s > > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER > > ARCHIVE_SCRUBBER = 0 > > ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0 > > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/archives/%(listname)s' > > That is effectively what I cut mine down to, also. My problem seems to be that the archiver simply isn't being called when a new message hits the list. > > The FAQ on setting up mailman with Mhonarc is a well intentioned joke: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.004.htp > > so I may have to do what David suggested and run a shell script every 5 minutes that does the archiving. It's silly, but I don't see another solution that will get me up and running any time soon. > > Thanks for your help, > Doug > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: marilyn at deliberate.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com > From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 24 19:45:51 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:45:51 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix Errors! Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424144508.015c5110@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> I did the changes to remove the GID error, but now get: (if you don't feel like reading thought it all: : Command died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs" Reporting-MTA: dns; vectec.net Arrival-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:14:19 -0300 (ADT) ) Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender To: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca This is the Postfix program at host vectec.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program : Command died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs" Reporting-MTA: dns; vectec.net Arrival-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:14:19 -0300 (ADT) Final-Recipient: rfc822; hchs at vectec.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Command died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs" Received: from simmts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts3-srv.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.12]) by vectec.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 702CC27869 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:14:19 -0300 (ADT) Received: from BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.40.25]) by simmts3-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20030424171418.BTDN24806.simmts3-srv.bellnexxia.net at BICLES.ns.sympatico.ca> for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:14:18 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424141344.00bbb900 at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: hchs#ns.sympatico.ca at pop1.ns.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:13:45 -0300 To: hchs at vectec.net From: Cody Harris Subject: Mailing List Test! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed TEST TEST! At 10:05 AM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:58:23 -0300, Cody Harris wrote: > >>Upon sending mail to my mailing list software, i get: (I'm using Mailman) >>(Notice the GID error) > >If you are running mailman 2.1.x, read the README.POSTFIX file in your >Mailman distribution. If you are running 2.0.x, you may wish to take a >look at http://lists.shorewall.net/gnu_mailman.htm. > >-Tom >-- >Tom Eastep \ Shorewall - iptables made easy >Shoreline, \ http://www.shorewall.net >Washington USA \ teastep at shorewall.net From admin2 at enabled.com Thu Apr 24 20:17:10 2003 From: admin2 at enabled.com (admin2) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:17:10 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-archive has wrong domain name Message-ID: <20030424181339.M42315@enabled.com> mailman 2.1.1 FreeBSD 4.7 Stable okay I used the fix_url python program to fix the domain but the list-archive domain name still keeps the actual hostname of the machine. can somebody explain how to fix this or send me to docs that explain this? List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -- Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com) From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 24 21:17:47 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-archive has wrong domain name In-Reply-To: <20030424181339.M42315@enabled.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030424195235.039aaa60@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 19:17 24/04/2003, admin2 wrote: >mailman 2.1.1 >FreeBSD 4.7 Stable > >okay I used the fix_url python program to fix the domain but the list-archive >domain name still keeps the actual hostname of the machine. can somebody >explain how to fix this or send me to docs that explain this? > >List-Unsubscribe: , >List-Archive: > >-- >Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com) This is just a SWAG. In computing the list archive URL, the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary (key->value mappings), defined in Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py by calls to add_virtualhost function, is inverted. Then the host fqdn value used in constructing the List-Archive header is extracted from the inverse dictionary using the list's email host as key. In VIRTUAL_HOSTS, the keys are urlfqdn and the values are emailfqdn. The inversion has emailfqdn as key and urlfqdn as value. By construction, VIRTUAL_HOSTS will have keys which are unique urlfqdn but it is up to your definitions as whether they have unique emailfqdn values. If the emailfqdn values are not unique then the inversion may produce unexpected results such as those you say you are getting, that is the inverted dictionary have have fewer entries as values from the VIRTUAL_HOSTS collide during inversion. From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Thu Apr 24 21:29:49 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:29:49 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Died with a status 1 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424162920.01691080@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Here's what was reported: : Command died with status 1: "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/a14c44e59d2f81922c76d3687ca84e8359714d4c.db' From admin2 at enabled.com Fri Apr 25 03:26:01 2003 From: admin2 at enabled.com (admin2) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:26:01 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-archive has wrong domain name In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030424195235.039aaa60@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <20030424181339.M42315@enabled.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20030424195235.039aaa60@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030425012524.M31839@enabled.com> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:17:47 +0100, Richard Barrett wrote > At 19:17 24/04/2003, admin2 wrote: > >mailman 2.1.1 > >FreeBSD 4.7 Stable > > > >okay I used the fix_url python program to fix the domain but the list-archive > >domain name still keeps the actual hostname of the machine. can somebody > >explain how to fix this or send me to docs that explain this? > > > >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: > > > >-- > >Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com) > Hi, is there a document or FAQ out there that helps describe how to use mailman for virtual hosting? - Noah -- Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com) From admin2 at enabled.com Fri Apr 25 07:42:32 2003 From: admin2 at enabled.com (admin2) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:42:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting Message-ID: <20030425054130.M78983@enabled.com> OS: FreeBSD 4.7 Mailman: 2.1.1 Okay I am getting a little confused here. Is there a good link out there that steps an admin through setting up mailman for virtual hosting? - Noah -- Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com) From dan at langille.org Fri Apr 25 12:19:40 2003 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:19:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <20030425054130.M78983@enabled.com> Message-ID: <3EA8D37C.25970.3D2CEB8@localhost> On 24 Apr 2003 at 21:42, admin2 wrote: > OS: FreeBSD 4.7 > Mailman: 2.1.1 I am using the same. > Okay I am getting a little confused here. Is there a good link out there that > steps an admin through setting up mailman for virtual hosting? Not that I've found. I've been trying to write one, but I've not been able to solve two basic problems. I've been attempting to migrate freebsddiary.org and freshports.org mailing lists from majordomo to mailman. I've found the administration interface and the the user interface to be much better, but it seems much more difficult to do things that are fairly well documented for majordomo. The two main blocks I've encountered are: 1 - You cannot have two mailing lists with the same name in two different domains and obtain satisfactory results: * The two lists do not actually have the same name. Externally they can have the same name through the use of email aliases, but you must create the lists with names such as mylist-example.com and mylist.example.org * The URL for the home pages for these lists must used the long form of the name. e.g. http://example.org/mailman/listinfo/mylist-example.org instead of the desired: http://example.org/mailman/listinfo/mylist Yes, it is possible to get around this using web server tricks, but even that trick won't affect the webpage contents which will still refer to the long version of the list name (e.g. mylist-example.org instead of mylist). I asked about this issue recently[1] but have not had any suggestions for resolution yet. 2 - The install instructions for mailman indicate that you must create a "site wide" mailing list titled 'mailman'. It's unclear whether or not you need just one per mailman installation or per domain. If you need one per domain, then you're back at issue #1. If it's one per mailman installation, then users subscribed to mylist at example.org will be getting reminder messages from mailman at example.com. That too is not desireable. Nothing like getting messages from confused users wondering why they're getting messages from a project they are not associated with. I think perhaps I could give up my requirement for item #1, but I don't think I should have to invent new names for existing lists nor should it be necessary. It's a pretty basic issue. Most projects have an announce list. If you're running 8 lists, coming up with a uniqe name for each announcement list is a ridiculous situation. With luck, someone will have some clever solutions for the above issues because my queries[2] have not found anything. Here's are a few highlights of the to virtual hosting set up process: ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py: Set the following, before you create your first list, to something you want to use for your first list: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'freebsddiary.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'freebsddiary.org' ~mainman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: I am using Postfix, so I add this entry: MTA = 'Postfix' For each virtual host, add the URL host and the email host: add_virtualhost('freebsddiary.org', 'freebsddiary.org') add_virtualhost('freshports.org', 'freshports.org') add_virtualhost('bh3.ca', 'bh3.ca') add_virtualhost('racingsystem.com', 'racingsystem.com') When creating your lists, specify the domain part of the mailing list name. For example: ~mailman/bin/newlist announce at example.org. For others using Postfix, you should read README.POSTFIX[3]. Contained within that document is a reference to http://listes.rezo.net/how.php. I do not recommend that approach as it requires the global use of procmail (i.e. for every message delivered by Postfix, procmail is invoked). At that URL is a reference to http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman.py, which is now a stale URL. Look at http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.0.py or http://www.gurulabs.com/files/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py. I found this script to be quite useful, but again did not cater for two mailing lists with the same name in two different domains so I abandoned that idea. If anyone has ideas, suggestions[4], URLs, etc, they will be welcomed. Thanks. [1] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003- April/028243.html [2] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003- April/028244.html [3] If you installed mailman from the FreeBSD ports tree, this file is at /usr/local/share/doc/mailman/README.POSTFIX. [4] Suggestions to change to another MTA will be disregarded. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From mailman at davidcross.com Fri Apr 25 15:01:38 2003 From: mailman at davidcross.com (David Cross) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:01:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman authentication scheme Message-ID: This question refers to our installation of Mailman version version 2.0.13 on FreeBSD 4.4 Is there a way to utilize the existing mailman emailaddress/password combination as a basis for an Apache .htpasswd/.htaccess combination? We have users on the Mailman list and wish to password protect our web-based archives, currently generated by MHonArc, but don't want to have to use two authentication methods. Many thanks. David From djk at tobit.co.uk Wed Apr 23 17:11:17 2003 From: djk at tobit.co.uk (Dirk Koopman) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:11:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim and temporary dns lookup failures In-Reply-To: <1051110106.6218.68.camel@angua.localnet> References: <1051010741.10212.62.camel@dirk2.int.tobit.co.uk> <1051110106.6218.68.camel@angua.localnet> Message-ID: <1051110663.2580.10.camel@dirk2.int.tobit.co.uk> I thought that is what I was doing... #!!# ACL that is used after the RCPT command check_recipient: # Exim 3 had no checking on -bs messages, so for compatibility # we accept if the source is local SMTP (i.e. not over TCP/IP). # We do this by testing for an empty sending host field. accept hosts = : require verify = sender deny message = unrouteable address !verify = recipient accept domains = +local_domains accept domains = +relay_domains accept hosts = +relay_hosts deny message = relay not permitted #!!# ACL that is used after the DATA command check_message: accept Maybe all I have to do is stop the logging? (if so, any idea how?) Dirk On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 16:01, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > On Tue, 2003-04-22 at 12:25, Dirk Koopman wrote: > > Is there some way of stopping this behaviour? Or increasing the timeout > > between retries? I am using Mailman 2.1.1 and exim 4.14. > > Why not just accept the stuff unchecked from Mailman (ie from ip > 127.0.0.1), let exim sort it out and pass a bounce back to Mailman if it > continues to be unable to deal with the message. > > You can specify that in an exim acl. > > Nigel. -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State. From mbradley at techpubs.com Wed Apr 23 22:27:27 2003 From: mbradley at techpubs.com (Mike Bradley) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:27:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Enhancement Message-ID: Can you add a change-of-address feature to your subscriber configuration page? As a Mailman list manager, one thing that bugs me is subscribers asking me to change their address for them. I tell them how to do it themselves, but, still, I constantly get the same request. = Mike Bradley From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk Fri Apr 25 16:25:27 2003 From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:25:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim and temporary dns lookup failures In-Reply-To: <1051110663.2580.10.camel@dirk2.int.tobit.co.uk> References: <1051010741.10212.62.camel@dirk2.int.tobit.co.uk> <1051110106.6218.68.camel@angua.localnet> <1051110663.2580.10.camel@dirk2.int.tobit.co.uk> Message-ID: <1051280688.15820.42.camel@angua.localnet> On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 16:11, Dirk Koopman wrote: > I thought that is what I was doing... > > #!!# ACL that is used after the RCPT command > check_recipient: > # Exim 3 had no checking on -bs messages, so for compatibility > # we accept if the source is local SMTP (i.e. not over TCP/IP). > # We do this by testing for an empty sending host field. > accept hosts = : that accepts a local (SMTP over command line inject) > require verify = sender > deny message = unrouteable address > !verify = recipient this forces a recipient check > accept domains = +local_domains > accept domains = +relay_domains > accept hosts = +relay_hosts > deny message = relay not permitted ACLs are all parsed in order. So change the first accept to make it accept everything from localhost:- accept hosts = :127.0.0.1 Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] From andrei852003 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 25 18:53:58 2003 From: andrei852003 at hotmail.com (Andrei Minin) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:53:58 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: What is my addres????? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From andrei852003 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 25 19:01:14 2003 From: andrei852003 at hotmail.com (Andrei Minin) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:01:14 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: Please say my password;) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From mckemie at access4less.net Fri Apr 25 19:32:11 2003 From: mckemie at access4less.net (Willie McKemie) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords Message-ID: <20030425123211.G15421@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> After operating several mailman newsletters for several months, I just became aware that subscribers find unsubscribing a daunting task. They can not do it without their password and they don't know their password. They end up asking me, as list owner, to do it. I am looking for ways to make it easier for them. Newsletters go out about once a week and I do not wish to burden them with periodic password notification. With my previous maillist software, I just told my potential subscribers (and unsubscribers) to put "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in a message to -request@. That worked very well for me and I would like mailman to operate as simply. Here are the things I have thought of to deal with this mailman problem: 1) do away with all user passwords. The FAQ tells me that that is not possible currently. 2) set all user passwords to the same and then make it public. This seems to involve mailman configuration beyond my access. I am the client of a hosting service and do not have the site password and I don't expect my host to be willing to spend much time on the problem. 3) send the user password in reply to an unsuccessful unsubscribe or help request and then tell them what to do with it. Can anyone tell me how to do that? 4) reply to a confirmation email. It seems to me that the unsubscribe procedure could operate as simply and be as secure as the subscribe procedure. That is, in response to a unsubsribe email, a reply required confirmation email could be sent to the subscriber's address. Is that feasible? 5) Anyone have any other ideas? A few months ago, I posted here queries on several configuration issues; replies allowed me to get my footers straightened out get html posts rejected. One outstanding issue is access to the subscriber lists. With my previous maillist, I was able to ftp to and from my subscriber lists. That gave me a sense of comfort, knowing that I was not completely dependent on my host. I realize I can cut and paste each batch of 30 subscribers from the administration web interface, but I find that pretty tedious. Help? -- Willie Time for a Kurdish state? Are YOU an html abuser? http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Linux system uptime 153 days 18 hours 11 minutes From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Fri Apr 25 20:35:00 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:35:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030425183500.GE785@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:01:14PM +0300, Andrei Minin (AM) wrote: AM> Please say my password;) If you need more information about this mailing list, look at the bunch of URL's in the footer of this email. If you need more information about mailman itself, have a look at http://www.list.org/ If you need more information on lists that are running on a specific host that you subscribed to, contact that hosts's administrator .. If you need anything else, please be more specific :) Gr, Nils. From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Fri Apr 25 20:39:03 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:39:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Died with a status 1 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424162920.01691080@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424162920.01691080@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030425183903.GF785@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 04:29:49PM -0300, Cody Harris (CH) wrote: CH> Here's what was reported: CH> CH> : Command died with status 1: CH> "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post CH> hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File CH> "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File CH> "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main msg.Enqueue(mlist, CH> tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in CH> Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File CH> "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = CH> os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: CH> '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/a14c44e59d2f81922c76d3687ca84e8359714d4c.db' The permissions on /var/lib/mailman/qfiles are not correct. Check if the directory exists at all, and if it does, check its permissions .. They should be something along the lines of: drwxrwsr-x 10 root mailman 512 Mar 7 20:50 qfiles This directory should have several subdirectories with the following permissions: drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 25 18:05 archive drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 25 20:20 bounces drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 7 20:50 commands drwxrwx--- 2 www mailman 512 Apr 25 20:20 in drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 16 00:18 news drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 25 20:20 out drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 22 00:20 shunt drwxrws--- 2 root mailman 512 Apr 25 20:20 virgin Do note: These permissions are from my FreeBSD system .. since you use Mandrake (oh $DIETY) it may look a bit different. Offcourse, this is valid for Mailman 2.1.1 only . Gr, Nils. From adam-mailman at yellowduck.co.uk Fri Apr 25 20:42:27 2003 From: adam-mailman at yellowduck.co.uk (Adam Curtin) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:42:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How safely to truncate the mbox file? Message-ID: <200304251942.27121.adam-mailman@yellowduck.co.uk> My arhives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox is 14 months old, and 200Mb. It's a pain it being so large, because it changes every day so my nightly backups write 199Mb of unchanged data to tape every morning. I've looked in the FAQ and documentation, and apart from editing the file to remove unwanted messages, I can't see an explanation of truncating the file without harming future archives. I'd like to: $ mv list.mbox list.mbox.sv && touch list.mbox $ gzip -9 list.mbox.sv ... or equivalent, through an entry in logrotate.d Will this be OK? Will existing archives remain untouched, and future ones be safe? The list starts new archives weekly - is there an ideal moment to do this truncation, e.g. 00:00 Monday? On a related note, I'd like to remove the offering to download the gzip'd mbox - how do I do that? Thanks in advance, A. From hchs at ns.sympatico.ca Fri Apr 25 20:50:03 2003 From: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca (Cody Harris) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:50:03 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Died with a status 1 In-Reply-To: <20030425183903.GF785@imhotep.yuckfou.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424162920.01691080@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20030424162920.01691080@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030425154850.01d26fa0@pop1.ns.sympatico.ca> This is my /var/lib/mailman directory. qfiles, the one with the error is at drwxrwsr-x, like you said. The directory is empty. [root at vectec mailman]# ls -l total 68 drwxrwsr-x 4 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:21 archives/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:21 bin/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:21 cgi-bin/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:23 cron/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:23 data/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:21 filters/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:21 icons/ drwxrwsr-x 3 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:54 lists/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 25 15:48 locks/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 11:08 logs/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:21 mail/ drwxrwsr-x 8 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 11:11 Mailman/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Nov 29 15:24 qfiles/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 16:18 scripts/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Nov 29 15:24 spam/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mail 4096 Apr 24 10:21 templates/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root mail 75 Apr 24 10:22 updates.log [root at vectec mailman]# At 08:39 PM 4/25/2003 +0200, you wrote: >On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 04:29:49PM -0300, Cody Harris (CH) wrote: >CH> Here's what was reported: >CH> >CH> : Command died with status 1: >CH> "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post >CH> hchs". Command output: Traceback (most recent call last): File >CH> "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ? main() File >CH> "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in >main msg.Enqueue(mlist, >CH> tolist=1) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in >CH> Enqueue dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w') File >CH> "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 601, in open_ex fd = >CH> os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >CH> '/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/a14c44e59d2f81922c76d3687ca84e8359714d4c.db' > >The permissions on /var/lib/mailman/qfiles are not correct. Check if the >directory exists at all, and if it does, check its permissions .. They should >be something along the lines of: > >drwxrwsr-x 10 root mailman 512 Mar 7 20:50 qfiles > > >This directory should have several subdirectories with the following >permissions: > >drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 25 18:05 archive >drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 25 20:20 bounces >drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 7 20:50 commands >drwxrwx--- 2 www mailman 512 Apr 25 20:20 in >drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 16 00:18 news >drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 25 20:20 out >drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 512 Apr 22 00:20 shunt >drwxrws--- 2 root mailman 512 Apr 25 20:20 virgin > >Do note: These permissions are from my FreeBSD system .. since you use >Mandrake (oh $DIETY) it may look a bit different. > >Offcourse, this is valid for Mailman 2.1.1 only . > >Gr, > >Nils. > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: hchs at ns.sympatico.ca >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca From t.javaid at asahq.org Fri Apr 25 20:26:34 2003 From: t.javaid at asahq.org (Javaid,Tariq) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting MIME to text Message-ID: <3AC68F1FF79EFF409BC6529320C6F0D43F832B@asa_courrier.asahq.org> How can we convert an attachment to a text file. When I send message to my list with a word document attached. Everything is fine but when I try to open up with my browser in archived folder I get MIME format. Any setting I can make so it's readable. Thanks Tariq From chuck at gohaddock.com Fri Apr 25 20:43:13 2003 From: chuck at gohaddock.com (Chuck Kenney) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:43:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] html email and attachments? Message-ID: I am trying to set up a mailing list that will allow HTML emails including image references and such. Every HTML email I send through the list says "an HTML attachment was scrubbed", and I cannot figure out the correct settings for this to work properly. I turned on content filtering, deleted the filter settings in both the black list and white list, and turned off html to plain text conversion, and restarted the qrunner daemons. Even then, it still scrubs the attachment. I'm stumped. -- Chuck Kenney sales / support / service h a d d o c k 316.683.5211 800.432.5211 Sent by Mac OS 10.2 "Jaguar" Mail Powered by Xserve From jbsnyder at northwestern.edu Fri Apr 25 21:15:16 2003 From: jbsnyder at northwestern.edu (James Snyder) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:15:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors in Mailman Daily Cron Runs Message-ID: <3FA6F4AA-7752-11D7-9D95-000393BE4160@northwestern.edu> Recently I've been getting this in my logs, any hints? Running mailman 2.0.11 on Debian 3.0 /etc/cron.daily/mailman: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 59, in main mlist.Save() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 862, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir makelink(privdir, pubdir) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink os.symlink(old, new) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main send_list_digest(mlist) File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest mlist.Save() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 862, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir makelink(privdir, pubdir) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink os.symlink(old, new) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/mailman exited with return code 1 James Snyder CCL Systems Administrator jbsnyder at northwestern.edu From kmccann at bellanet.org Fri Apr 25 21:18:10 2003 From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:18:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting MIME to text In-Reply-To: <3AC68F1FF79EFF409BC6529320C6F0D43F832B@asa_courrier.asahq. org> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030425151251.030feb80@mail.idrc.ca> If you jig your Mailman installation to use MHonarc instead of pipermail your MIME-in-archive woes will disappear. There was a good Mailman + Mhonarc thread on this list within the last day or two (look for posts from Marilyn Davis and Doug Roberts). - Kevin At 01:26 PM 25/04/03 -0500, you wrote: >How can we convert an attachment to a text file. When I send message to >my list with a word document attached. Everything is fine but when I try >to open up with my browser in archived folder I get MIME format. Any >setting I can make so it's readable. From en at netvision.com.py Fri Apr 25 23:29:05 2003 From: en at netvision.com.py (Elton =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nu=F1ez?=) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:29:05 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsuscribe Message-ID: <1051313550.870.42.camel@elton.netvision.com.py> From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Fri Apr 25 23:34:16 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:34:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway Message-ID: <20030425213416.GA55860@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Hi there! I'm kinda puzzling and hoping to achieve the following: List 'to-usenet' is a mailing list, which has a few subscriptions, that all wish to get all the articles in a random newsgroup, and send messages to the list, which will then be distributed over the members of the list, and to usenet. The list has to be protected from postings by non-members, since I really do not want to take the chance of gating any spam towards usenet (and get hung upside down by my ISP). How do I achieve this? The configuration I have now, can either moderate all non-user posts, which also moderates usenet posts, since they are from non-users to mailman as well.. or, not moderate all non-user traffic. Moderation is not an option for me, since it means I have to approve every message that needs to be distributed .. for each newsgroup they are interested in :( Grtz, Nils. From chuck at gohaddock.com Fri Apr 25 23:41:46 2003 From: chuck at gohaddock.com (Chuck Kenney) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:41:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] html email and attachments? Message-ID: I am trying to set up a mailing list that will allow HTML emails including image references and such. Every HTML email I send through the list says "an HTML attachment was scrubbed", and I cannot figure out the correct settings for this to work properly. I turned on content filtering, deleted the filter settings in both the black list and white list, and turned off html to plain text conversion, and restarted the qrunner daemons. Even then, it still scrubs the attachment. I'm stumped. -- Chuck Kenney sales / support / service h a d d o c k 316.683.5211 800.432.5211 Sent by Mac OS 10.2 "Jaguar" Mail Powered by Xserve From proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de Fri Apr 25 23:53:55 2003 From: proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de (proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:53:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman webfrontend under different url Message-ID: <200304252353.55113.proescho@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> hi, im trying to run the webfrontend to mailman on a different server. For this i set up apache mod_proxy on this server to fetch the requiered pages from to "real" mailman server. The Problem ist that i cannot configure mailman to correctly change the DEFAULT_URL_HOST. i configured DEFAULT_URL = 'http://tools.my.domain/mailman/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'maillists.test.my.domain' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'tools.my.domain' VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py the rewrite module rewrites everything from http://tools.my.domain/mailman/(.*) to http://mailserver.my.domain/cgi-bin/mailman/$1 the result, when i display the default mailman/admin page, is that the "mailing list owerview ", and "create new list"-URLS point to maillists.test.my.domain insted of tools.my.domain, only the administrative link to the Mailman List (which i created) points correctly to tools.my.domain. Also when i connect to the server directly (http://mailserver.my.domain/cgi-bin/mailman/admin) the links are not set correct. Why does mailman use the value of DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST for these links? Mailman version is 2.1.1 on debian woody. The maillinglists shall appear unter mlists.test.my.domain thanks timo From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 26 09:27:40 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:27:40 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman webfrontend under different url In-Reply-To: <200304252353.55113.proescho@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426081806.03c2fd60@pop3.demon.co.uk> You should: 1. leave the definition for DEFAULT_URL as None as per the default in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. It is only there for backwards compatibility and its role has been taken over by DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN. 2. use the $prefix/bin/withlist script fix_url.py to set the web_page_url of your existing lists to use the value you have assigned in mm_cfg.py 3. do mailmanctl restart as a precaution And all should now be well. Newly created lists will pick up your DEFAULT_URL_HOST value. The problem you have is that existing lists are using the old value and fix_url.py should fix that. Post again if this does not work for you. At 22:53 25/04/2003, proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de wrote: >hi, > >im trying to run the webfrontend to mailman on a different server. >For this i set up apache mod_proxy on this server to fetch the >requiered pages from to "real" mailman server. > >The Problem ist that i cannot configure mailman to correctly change >the DEFAULT_URL_HOST. > >i configured > >DEFAULT_URL = 'http://tools.my.domain/mailman/' >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'maillists.test.my.domain' >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'tools.my.domain' >VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 > >in mm_cfg.py > >the rewrite module rewrites everything from >http://tools.my.domain/mailman/(.*) to >http://mailserver.my.domain/cgi-bin/mailman/$1 > > >the result, when i display the default mailman/admin page, is >that the "mailing list owerview ", and "create new list"-URLS point >to maillists.test.my.domain insted of tools.my.domain, >only the administrative link to the Mailman List (which i created) >points correctly to tools.my.domain. > >Also when i connect to the server directly >(http://mailserver.my.domain/cgi-bin/mailman/admin) the links are not set >correct. > >Why does mailman use the value of DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST for these links? > >Mailman version is 2.1.1 on debian woody. >The maillinglists shall appear unter mlists.test.my.domain > > >thanks >timo From kmccann at bellanet.org Sat Apr 26 13:44:16 2003 From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:44:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] command to change/sync a user's passwords Message-ID: <01a101c30be9$2aa863b0$0501a8c0@kevinduron> Hello, I would like to execute a command that will change and sync all of a user's Mailman passwords. FWIW this is an exercise to streamline the authentication of Mailman and Postnuke until Mailman supports the use of an external user DB in, say, MySQL. Therefore this needs to run behind the scenes, so getting the user to log in and just use the normal Mailman method (options CGI) is not the answer I'm looknig for here. I saw the changepw example in bin/withlists but that only applies to one list, obviously. I was thinking about executing a find_member command, parsing the results, and executing the withlist changpw against each line. However, I'm wondering if there is a more elegant way. A looked at code from Mailman/Cgi/options.py and I see the code that appears to do this. There is a section starting if cgidata.has_key("changepw") and routines "Lists_of_memers" and "change_password" I'd like to remove whatever CGI-ness exists and use the remaining stuff to build a python program that I can execute from the command line (and at some point execute behind the scenes during Postnuke authentication routines). However, I'm just not up to speed with Python yet (although I am purchasing a book on it later today). So, has anyone written this program already? Or should I just do what I suggested earlier - the find_member, parse, loop with withlist hack? Thanks, Kevin From bb at L8R.net Sat Apr 26 16:22:51 2003 From: bb at L8R.net (Brad Barnett) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:22:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030426102251.24ad3636.bb@L8R.net> Hey all, I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just last week. After one post to the list, Mailman started generating duplicate after duplicate of this same message. It was caught in the process of sending the fourth message out. The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using diff to check them against each other. They all have the same message ID, the same send time, etc. Each of these messages was sent to the over 10k users on this list, and I still don't know why. Mailman logging doesn't seem very helpful in determining this. Is there any way I can discover just what happened, and is this a known bug in mailman? I can provide any logging information needed... Thanks! From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 26 16:42:13 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:42:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <20030426102251.24ad3636.bb@L8R.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 15:22 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: >Hey all, > >I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just last week. >After one post to the list, Mailman started generating duplicate after >duplicate of this same message. It was caught in the process of sending >the fourth message out. > >The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using diff to check >them against each other. They all have the same message ID, the same send >time, etc. Each of these messages was sent to the over 10k users on this >list, and I still don't know why. What version of Mailman are you using? Are you sure Mailman did not have four copies of this message delivered to it by your MTA? Have you checked your MTA's mail log to see if any trace of these events are showing there? >Mailman logging doesn't seem very helpful in determining this. Is there >any way I can discover just what happened, and is this a known bug in >mailman? I can provide any logging information needed... > >Thanks! From bb at L8R.net Sat Apr 26 17:05:10 2003 From: bb at L8R.net (Brad Barnett) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:05:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030426110510.68582a07.bb@L8R.net> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:42:13 +0100 Richard Barrett wrote: > At 15:22 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: > > > >Hey all, > > > >I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just last week. > >After one post to the list, Mailman started generating duplicate after > >duplicate of this same message. It was caught in the process of > >sending the fourth message out. > > > >The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using diff to > >check them against each other. They all have the same message ID, the > >same send time, etc. Each of these messages was sent to the over 10k > >users on this list, and I still don't know why. > > What version of Mailman are you using? 2.0.13, on Redhat 8.0. > > Are you sure Mailman did not have four copies of this message delivered > to it by your MTA? > > Have you checked your MTA's mail log to see if any trace of these events > are showing there? I've scoured the sendmail logs, but I can't see any indication of it. Of course, these would have to be _identical_ messages, since Mailman has four identical messages in its mbox. Everything, even the receipt time is identical. Is there any way to verify messages received / sent from the mailman logs? > > >Mailman logging doesn't seem very helpful in determining this. Is > >there any way I can discover just what happened, and is this a known > >bug in mailman? I can provide any logging information needed... > > > >Thanks! > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bb at l8r.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bb%40l8r.net From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 26 19:13:50 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:13:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <20030426110510.68582a07.bb@L8R.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 16:05 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: >On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:42:13 +0100 >Richard Barrett wrote: > > > At 15:22 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: > > > > > > >Hey all, > > > > > >I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just last week. > > >After one post to the list, Mailman started generating duplicate after > > >duplicate of this same message. It was caught in the process of > > >sending the fourth message out. > > > > > >The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using diff to > > >check them against each other. They all have the same message ID, the > > >same send time, etc. Each of these messages was sent to the over 10k > > >users on this list, and I still don't know why. > > > > What version of Mailman are you using? > > >2.0.13, on Redhat 8.0. > > > > Are you sure Mailman did not have four copies of this message delivered > > to it by your MTA? > > > > Have you checked your MTA's mail log to see if any trace of these events > > are showing there? > >I've scoured the sendmail logs, but I can't see any indication of it. Of >course, these would have to be _identical_ messages, since Mailman has >four identical messages in its mbox. Everything, even the receipt time is >identical. > >Is there any way to verify messages received / sent from the mailman logs? > You should find an entry(ies) in MM's $prefix/logs/post and smtp logs as it handles and sends out the message. The trouble is that both logs are written as the qrunner takes the incoming message from the queue and processes it rather than it being a log entry of when the message was handed off from the MTA an put into the queue. If I remember correctly, with MM 2.0.13 no msg ids are not recorded in those logs but usually the date/time helps correlate with the sendmail logs, You could also see if anything correlates with anything in the MM error log. I cannot recollect experiencing any problems of this sort with using MM 2.0.13 but I've long sinsce upgraded to MM 2.1.1. > > > > >Mailman logging doesn't seem very helpful in determining this. Is > > >there any way I can discover just what happened, and is this a known > > >bug in mailman? I can provide any logging information needed... > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > This message was sent to: bb at l8r.net > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bb%40l8r.net > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openinfo.demon.co.uk > From bb at L8R.net Sat Apr 26 19:55:18 2003 From: bb at L8R.net (Brad Barnett) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:55:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030426135518.3bc925e2.bb@L8R.net> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:13:50 +0100 Richard Barrett wrote: > At 16:05 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: > >On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:42:13 +0100 > >Richard Barrett wrote: > > > > > At 15:22 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Hey all, > > > > > > > >I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just last > > > >week. After one post to the list, Mailman started generating > > > >duplicate after duplicate of this same message. It was caught in > > > >the process of sending the fourth message out. > > > > > > > >The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using diff > > > >to check them against each other. They all have the same message > > > >ID, the same send time, etc. Each of these messages was sent to > > > >the over 10k users on this list, and I still don't know why. > > > > > > What version of Mailman are you using? > > > > > >2.0.13, on Redhat 8.0. > > > > > > Are you sure Mailman did not have four copies of this message > > > delivered to it by your MTA? > > > > > > Have you checked your MTA's mail log to see if any trace of these > > > events are showing there? > > > >I've scoured the sendmail logs, but I can't see any indication of it. > >Of course, these would have to be _identical_ messages, since Mailman > >has four identical messages in its mbox. Everything, even the receipt > >time is identical. > > > >Is there any way to verify messages received / sent from the mailman > >logs? > > > > You should find an entry(ies) in MM's $prefix/logs/post and smtp logs as > it handles and sends out the message. The trouble is that both logs are > written as the qrunner takes the incoming message from the queue and > processes it rather than it being a log entry of when the message was > handed off from the MTA an put into the queue. > I was told that the post log doesn't directly reflect the posts to the list, but the messages it sends out? Apr 17 06:49:57 2003 (18609) post to ledetnews from sjledet at ledet.com, size=25203, 128 failures Apr 17 06:50:24 2003 (1724) post to ledetnews from sjledet at ledet.com, size=25203, 100 failures Apr 17 13:01:24 2003 (5671) post to ledetnews from ledetnews-request at lists.ledet.com, size=661, 1 failures Apr 17 13:03:30 2003 (5729) post to ledetnews from ledetnews-request at lists.ledet.com, size=670, 1 failures The weird thing is, the initial message was sent on the 15th. Here it claims the 17th, and there are no other messages around this time (this list has one post or two a month). It also show failures, but it doesn't indicate if they were successful at all (there are 20k or so users on this list.. why doesn't it show how many succeeded? why does it show two posts, when 4 were sent (or one if mailman duplicated the original message 4 times). Two messages makes no sense at all, but one or four would.... I don't get it. Looking at the SMTP logs is useless, with 80k entries for sends during the same time period. All I can verify is that every user I pick on the list, was sent beween 3 and 4 copies of the same message ID with the same size (and users complained of such). This makes sense since mailman was stopped during the 4th send process. > If I remember correctly, with MM 2.0.13 no msg ids are not recorded in > those logs but usually the date/time helps correlate with the sendmail > logs, You could also see if anything correlates with anything in the MM > error log. Not really.. the times are off by days?! > > I cannot recollect experiencing any problems of this sort with using MM > 2.0.13 but I've long sinsce upgraded to MM 2.1.1. > I can't really justify an upgrade though, with the hope it fixes the problem. This problem has to be debugged and verified before mailman is used again. It may or may not be mailman's fault, but right now upgrading isn't an option, since we don't know where the bug sits. > > > > > > >Mailman logging doesn't seem very helpful in determining this. Is > > > >there any way I can discover just what happened, and is this a > > > >known bug in mailman? I can provide any logging information > > > >needed... > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > > Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > Searchable Archives: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > > > This message was sent to: bb at l8r.net > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bb%40l8r.net > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users mailing list > >Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > >Searchable Archives: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > >This message was sent to: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r.barrett%40openi > >nfo.demon.co.uk > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: bb at l8r.net > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/bb%40l8r.net From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 27 01:50:35 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:50:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <20030426135518.3bc925e2.bb@L8R.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426211229.03ceade0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 18:55 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: >On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:13:50 +0100 >Richard Barrett wrote: > > > At 16:05 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: > > >On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:42:13 +0100 > > >Richard Barrett wrote: > > > > > > > At 15:22 26/04/2003, Brad Barnett wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hey all, > > > > > > > > > >I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just last > > > > >week. After one post to the list, Mailman started generating > > > > >duplicate after duplicate of this same message. It was caught in > > > > >the process of sending the fourth message out. > > > > > > > > > >The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using diff > > > > >to check them against each other. They all have the same message > > > > >ID, the same send time, etc. Each of these messages was sent to > > > > >the over 10k users on this list, and I still don't know why. > > > > > > > > What version of Mailman are you using? > > > > > > > > >2.0.13, on Redhat 8.0. > > > > > > > > Are you sure Mailman did not have four copies of this message > > > > delivered to it by your MTA? > > > > > > > > Have you checked your MTA's mail log to see if any trace of these > > > > events are showing there? > > > > > >I've scoured the sendmail logs, but I can't see any indication of it. > > >Of course, these would have to be _identical_ messages, since Mailman > > >has four identical messages in its mbox. Everything, even the receipt > > >time is identical. > > > Just a guess but may be possible for sendmail to try and deliver the same message to MM multiple times. If it believes earlier attempts failed with some temporary error it might well retry the delivery to Mailman. Maybe load on the system caused sendmail to time out the delivery, and subsequently retry it, even though Mailman saw each attempt as being completed and dumped the message into its qfiles directory. My understanding is that sendmail sort of guarantees never to lose mail but may deliver it multiple times to achieve that. But I would expect something to show in the sendmail logs if delivery to MM failed for any reason. > > >Is there any way to verify messages received / sent from the mailman > > >logs? > > > > > > > You should find an entry(ies) in MM's $prefix/logs/post and smtp logs as > > it handles and sends out the message. The trouble is that both logs are > > written as the qrunner takes the incoming message from the queue and > > processes it rather than it being a log entry of when the message was > > handed off from the MTA an put into the queue. > > > >I was told that the post log doesn't directly reflect the posts to the >list, but the messages it sends out? Not quite. The post log is written as the message is taken for processing from the MM qfiles directory and before attempts are made to send it out to the list via SMTP. There may be a lag between when the mailman wrapper accepts delivery from the MTA and put the message into qfiles depending on the traffic being handled and system load. >Apr 17 06:49:57 2003 (18609) post to ledetnews from sjledet at ledet.com, >size=25203, 128 failures >Apr 17 06:50:24 2003 (1724) post to ledetnews from sjledet at ledet.com, >size=25203, 100 failures >Apr 17 13:01:24 2003 (5671) post to ledetnews from >ledetnews-request at lists.ledet.com, size=661, 1 failures >Apr 17 13:03:30 2003 (5729) post to ledetnews from >ledetnews-request at lists.ledet.com, size=670, 1 failures If I recollect the number in brackets in each line of the post log entries, e.g. (18609), is the pid of the qrunner task handling the post. If I recollect this pid will also be in the MM $prefix/logs/smtp log entries as the posted message is sent out again to the MTA. The MM smtp log entries should show how many addresses the outgoing message was being sent to for that log entry. The four log entries are intriguing. The first two are very close in time and the same size; same message ?? The second two seem to originate from one of the list's aliases and are being directed back to the list which seems a little odd. >The weird thing is, the initial message was sent on the 15th. Here it >claims the 17th, and there are no other messages around this time (this >list has one post or two a month). This could be correct as the post log shows when the MM qrunner tried to start processing the message out to the list. When does sendmail claim it delivered it to MM; can you not match the message id in the sendmail log, presumable /var/log/mail? >It also show failures, but it doesn't indicate if they were successful at >all (there are 20k or so users on this list.. why doesn't it show how many >succeeded? why does it show two posts, when 4 were sent (or one if >mailman duplicated the original message 4 times). Two messages makes no >sense at all, but one or four would.... I think MM' smtp log does show the number of outgoing addressees and with a large number of subscribers you may also see multiple log entries, with one for each batch handed off to the SMTP server; if I recollect the default is 500 addresses per batch. But you may have tweaked that on your installation. >I don't get it. Looking at the SMTP logs is useless, with 80k entries for >sends during the same time period. All I can verify is that every user I >pick on the list, was sent beween 3 and 4 copies of the same message ID >with the same size (and users complained of such). This makes sense since >mailman was stopped during the 4th send process. Do you mean the MM smtp log or the sendmail log when you refer to the 80k entries. I assume sendmail but have you set up you MM to send personalized mail in some fashion that MM is handing off one message at a time through SMTP. > > If I remember correctly, with MM 2.0.13 no msg ids are not recorded in > > those logs but usually the date/time helps correlate with the sendmail > > logs, You could also see if anything correlates with anything in the MM > > error log. > >Not really.. the times are off by days?! Presumably you can see, in the sendmail log, the 'from' entry when the incoming message for the list is handed to sendmail and the 'to' entry when sendmail delivers the message to Mailman; with the matching message ids. The times being off by days is maybe surprising. The sendmail and Mailman logs are being written on the same machine so presumably we can rule out problems with a mis-set clock. There may well be some lag between the time in the sendmail log that a message is handed to MM, when it will just go into qfiles, and the time in the MM post log when processing of the message from qfiles for distribution starts. That will all depend on the traffic the qrunner is having to handle. > > > > I cannot recollect experiencing any problems of this sort with using MM > > 2.0.13 but I've long sinsce upgraded to MM 2.1.1. > > > >I can't really justify an upgrade though, with the hope it fixes the >problem. This problem has to be debugged and verified before mailman is >used again. It may or may not be mailman's fault, but right now upgrading >isn't an option, since we don't know where the bug sits. > I did not mean to suggest upgrading as a solution to this problem. Let me know how you get on with this problem. > > > > > > > > >Mailman logging doesn't seem very helpful in determining this. Is > > > > >there any way I can discover just what happened, and is this a > > > > >known bug in mailman? I can provide any logging information > > > > >needed... > > > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > From mailings at good-it.com Sun Apr 27 09:53:01 2003 From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:53:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with multi-language Message-ID: <200304270953.01868.mailings@good-it.com> Hi all! I just upgraded to mailman 2.1.1 and set the default language to "Dutch". When i visit the list-page from a specific mailinglist it is partial in Dutch and Partial in English. How can i correct this? -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds -- Kind Regards / Met vriendelijke groet, Johan Barelds, Good-IT! BV Strijplaan 320 2285 HZ Rijswijk(ZH) Email j.barelds at good-it.com Tel. +31(0)70-3965230 Fax. +31(0)70-3965271 Mob. +31(0)6-54253750 From barry at python.org Sun Apr 27 19:23:01 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:23:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.2 Message-ID: <1051464154.9733.116.camel@anthem> I've just released Mailman 2.1.2 which includes many bug fixes and language updates, as well as support for two new languages, Portuguese/Portugal and Polish. I recommend all Mailman 2.1 users upgrade to this release. The full source tarball has been made available from the usual sites. Currently, there is no patch available, but you should be able to install 2.1.2 over your existing 2.1.x installation. See http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 for links to download all the patches and the source tarballs. Be sure you restart your mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart" after installing. See also: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman http://www.list.org (not yet updated) http://mailman.sf.net Cheers, -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- 2.1.2 (22-Apr-2003) - New languages Portuguese (Portugal) and Polish. - Many convenient constants have been added to the Defaults.py module to (hopefully) make it more readable. - Email addresses which contain 8-bit characters in them are now rejected and won't be subscribed. This is not the same as 8-bit characters in the realname, which is still allowed. - The X-Originating-Email header is removed for anonymous lists. Hotmail apparently adds this header. - When running make to build Mailman, you can specify $DESTDIR to the install target to specify an alternative location for installation, without influencing the paths stored in e.g. Defaults.py. This is useful to package managers. - New Defaults.py variable DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT which controls how long the outgoing qrunner will wait before it retries a tempfailure delivery. - The semantics for the extend.py hook to MailList objects has changed slightly. The hook is now called before attempting to lock and load the database. - Mailman now uses the email package version 2.5.1 - bin/transcheck now checks for double-%'s - bin/genaliases grew a -q / --quiet flag - cron/checkdbs grew a -h / --help option. - The -c / --change-msg option has been removed from bin/add_members - bin/msgfmt.py has been added, taken from Python 2.3's Tools/i18n directory. The various .mo files are now no longer distributed with Mailman. They are generated at build time instead. - A new file misc/sitelist.cfg which can be used with bin/config_list provides a small number of recommended settings for your site list. Be sure to read it over before applying! sitelist.cfg is installed into the data directory. - Many bug fixes, including these SourceForge bugs closed and patches applied: 677668, 690448, 700538, 700537, 673294, 683906, 671294, 522080, 521124, 534297, 699900, 697321, 695526, 703941, 658261, 710678, 707608, 671303, 717096, 694912, 707624, 716755, 661138, 716754, 716702, 667167, 725369, 726415 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 350 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030427/c68e35da/attachment.pgp From barry at python.org Sun Apr 27 19:31:34 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:31:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.2 Message-ID: <1051464666.5933.126.camel@anthem> [Apologies for the empty dups -- been fiddling with my email client again. ;} -BAW] I've just released Mailman 2.1.2 which includes many bug fixes and language updates, as well as support for two new languages, Portuguese/Portugal and Polish. I recommend all Mailman 2.1 users upgrade to this release. The full source tarball has been made available from the usual sites. Currently, there is no patch available, but you should be able to install 2.1.2 over your existing 2.1.x installation. See http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 for links to download all the patches and the source tarballs. Be sure you restart your mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart" after installing. See also: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman http://www.list.org (not yet updated) http://mailman.sf.net Cheers, -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- 2.1.2 (22-Apr-2003) - New languages Portuguese (Portugal) and Polish. - Many convenient constants have been added to the Defaults.py module to (hopefully) make it more readable. - Email addresses which contain 8-bit characters in them are now rejected and won't be subscribed. This is not the same as 8-bit characters in the realname, which is still allowed. - The X-Originating-Email header is removed for anonymous lists. Hotmail apparently adds this header. - When running make to build Mailman, you can specify $DESTDIR to the install target to specify an alternative location for installation, without influencing the paths stored in e.g. Defaults.py. This is useful to package managers. - New Defaults.py variable DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT which controls how long the outgoing qrunner will wait before it retries a tempfailure delivery. - The semantics for the extend.py hook to MailList objects has changed slightly. The hook is now called before attempting to lock and load the database. - Mailman now uses the email package version 2.5.1 - bin/transcheck now checks for double-%'s - bin/genaliases grew a -q / --quiet flag - cron/checkdbs grew a -h / --help option. - The -c / --change-msg option has been removed from bin/add_members - bin/msgfmt.py has been added, taken from Python 2.3's Tools/i18n directory. The various .mo files are now no longer distributed with Mailman. They are generated at build time instead. - A new file misc/sitelist.cfg which can be used with bin/config_list provides a small number of recommended settings for your site list. Be sure to read it over before applying! sitelist.cfg is installed into the data directory. - Many bug fixes, including these SourceForge bugs closed and patches applied: 677668, 690448, 700538, 700537, 673294, 683906, 671294, 522080, 521124, 534297, 699900, 697321, 695526, 703941, 658261, 710678, 707608, 671303, 717096, 694912, 707624, 716755, 661138, 716754, 716702, 667167, 725369, 726415 From floeff at arcor.de Sun Apr 27 19:58:50 2003 From: floeff at arcor.de (Florian Effenberger) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:58:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing email address Message-ID: <000f01c30ce6$ac4a2ea0$0500a8c0@effenberger> Hello, I run Mailman 2.1.2. On the http://MYDOMAIN/mailman/listinfo/ website, I see a message like "Direct questions or comments to mailman at MYDOMAIN". How can I change that mail address? Thanks! Florian From jwgrafflin at ev1.net Sat Apr 26 05:34:31 2003 From: jwgrafflin at ev1.net (John Grafflin) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:34:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing real_name Message-ID: <004401c30ba4$c012b760$6cde28d8@jwgmg> Under CPanel, Mailing Lists, General Options the very first option is to change the case of the public name. It is currently listed as Startpagedepot.com. I want to change it to StartPageDepot.com, but I get the following message at the top of the screen when I do: real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only. From brian at macserve.net Sat Apr 26 07:41:03 2003 From: brian at macserve.net (Brian Blood) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:41:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Uncaught bounce notification Message-ID: Using Mailman 2.1.1 rmeigs at highwinds.com is an address that is definitely a subscriber to this list. Why is this not being caught? FYI, I have VERP set to every 50 messages. This is not the first time Mailman has been unable to catch bounces for an address that is directly subscribed. Perhaps there is something wrong with the parsing? Thanks Brian ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 4/25/2003 2:56 PM Received: 4/25/2003 3:19 PM The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:56:37 -0400 From: postmaster at Highwinds.com Subject: Delivery Failure (Re: [V4RB] SQL Queries/RB5.1/Unicode) The following message could not be sent because the address 'rmeigs at highwinds.com' was rejected by host 'highwinds.com'. 550 ... User unknown ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- From gradha at titanium.sabren.com Sat Apr 26 18:52:20 2003 From: gradha at titanium.sabren.com (Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:52:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation interface suggestion. Message-ID: <20030426165220.GA24936@pedos.es> Hi. Currently with version 2.0.9, when member_posting_only is enabled, spam is caught and the administrator (me) is notified. I can discard the message and that's fine. Now, there are many people who subscribe with a real address to the mailing list but post with either a fake address or a redirector (like a SF account) and would like to continue using such setup. In such cases, it would be good that apart from having an "approved" option, there would be a checkbox like "Add this email address to the allowed posters list", to avoid three additional UI steps to perform the action. PD: I'm not subscribed to this list. From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Apr 27 22:53:01 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 20:53:01 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426211229.03ceade0@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426211229.03ceade0@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1051476801.2145.6.camel@anncons> > > > > > >Hey all, > > > > > > > > > > > >I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just last > > > > > >week. After one post to the list, Mailman started generating > > > > > >duplicate after duplicate of this same message. It was caught in > > > > > >the process of sending the fourth message out. > > > > > > > > > > > >The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using diff > > > > > >to check them against each other. They all have the same message > > > > > >ID, the same send time, etc. Each of these messages was sent to > > > > > >the over 10k users on this list, and I still don't know why. > > > > > > > > > > What version of Mailman are you using? > > > > > > > > > > > >2.0.13, on Redhat 8.0. > > > > > I've only seen this kind of behavior in Mailman 2.0.13 when the server ran out of resources (or was restarted) in the middle of a delivery. I suggest you look at your system resources - in particular your RAM and your disk space. I have a feeling that you ran out of RAM while trying to process mail going out to your list. You'll see several instances in the archives where we have tracked this type of behavior down to a system resource problem. Earlier versions of Mailman (like version 2.0.11) did have problems with malformed headers, which would cause this type of behavior, but 2.0.13 has been very good about handling anything thrown at it. BTW: when you get 4 identical messages where even the MSG-ID's are identical, then you know it's the same message being delivered multiple times. Take care and good luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 04:16:55 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:16:55 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How safely to truncate the mbox file? In-Reply-To: <200304251942.27121.adam-mailman@yellowduck.co.uk> References: <200304251942.27121.adam-mailman@yellowduck.co.uk> Message-ID: <1051496238.2147.19.camel@anncons> Sounds like you have the right idea about archives... The mbox is used to regenerate the web-based archive lists. During normal use only a certain segment of the archives are rebuilt - like a months worth or a weeks worth(it depends on your list settings and how it is set to display the archives). If you have your archives segmented weekly, then moving the mbox at midnight on Sunday would do the trick (as long as nothing else had the file open...). Do save the mbox files though, you may need to cat them all together and rebuild those archives at some future date. Good Luck - Jon Carnes BTW: you should create a test list and play with that one before doing this to any of your production lists. On Fri, 2003-04-25 at 14:42, Adam Curtin wrote: > My arhives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox is 14 months old, and 200Mb. It's a > pain it being so large, because it changes every day so my nightly backups > write 199Mb of unchanged data to tape every morning. > > I've looked in the FAQ and documentation, and apart from editing the file > to remove unwanted messages, I can't see an explanation of truncating the > file without harming future archives. I'd like to: > > $ mv list.mbox list.mbox.sv && touch list.mbox > $ gzip -9 list.mbox.sv > > ... or equivalent, through an entry in logrotate.d > > Will this be OK? Will existing archives remain untouched, and future ones > be safe? The list starts new archives weekly - is there an ideal moment to > do this truncation, e.g. 00:00 Monday? > > > On a related note, I'd like to remove the offering to download the gzip'd > mbox - how do I do that? > > Thanks in advance, > A. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From webperson at now.org Mon Apr 28 04:50:41 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 19:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] database error message when upgraded to 2.1.2 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030427194406.05381700@now.org> I didn't get any error messages upgrading from 2.1.1 until I ran mailmanctl. Then I got: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. [mailman at www2 mailman-2.1.2]$ Warning: Database (2.5.12) != program (2.6.2) version. This is on Linux Red Hat (recent conversion from Solaris). Python 2.2. What needs to be done? What does it mean? Thanks. By the way, this page isn't being updated: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Sarah Stapleton-Gray -------------------------------------------- Web Site Coordinator National Organization for Women http://www.now.org From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 04:52:39 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 02:52:39 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman authentication scheme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051498383.2147.24.camel@anncons> On Fri, 2003-04-25 at 09:01, David Cross wrote: > This question refers to our installation of Mailman version version 2.0.13 > on FreeBSD 4.4 > > Is there a way to utilize the existing mailman emailaddress/password > combination as a basis for an Apache .htpasswd/.htaccess combination? > > We have users on the Mailman list and wish to password protect our > web-based archives, currently generated by MHonArc, but don't want to have > to use two authentication methods. > > Many thanks. > > David http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp Works great for version 2.0.13 Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 05:21:25 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:21:25 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation interface suggestion. In-Reply-To: <20030426165220.GA24936@pedos.es> References: <20030426165220.GA24936@pedos.es> Message-ID: <1051500111.2147.26.camel@anncons> Feel free to upgrade to version 2.1.1 (which has that feature). On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 12:52, Grzegorz Adam Hankiewicz wrote: > Hi. > > Currently with version 2.0.9, when member_posting_only is enabled, > spam is caught and the administrator (me) is notified. I can discard > the message and that's fine. Now, there are many people who subscribe > with a real address to the mailing list but post with either a fake > address or a redirector (like a SF account) and would like to continue > using such setup. > > In such cases, it would be good that apart from having an "approved" > option, there would be a checkbox like "Add this email address to > the allowed posters list", to avoid three additional UI steps to > perform the action. > > PD: I'm not subscribed to this list. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From paul at thcwd.com Mon Apr 28 05:21:40 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:21:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 on Ensim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030427221549.02ea61f0@mail.thcwd.com> Hello all, I have not been reading this list of late, so someone else may have done this (I was off list discussing it with a chap from England). I have succeeded in installing mailman on Ensim web appliance. It is installed OUTSIDE of the chrooted environment, in the main director of the server. This means the server name is used for @dom.ain . It is not a perfect solution if you want to make mailman available to multiple separate users, but it does work. I will be writing it up for others, but would like to have someone replicate it first to make sure my cleaned up record of my trials and tribulation is accurate. Anyone interested may contact me directly - I will clean it up and send my install out on Tuesday to those interested. <>< Paul There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. From paul at thcwd.com Mon Apr 28 05:27:46 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Three times through the py and still can't find it In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030427222146.033e04e8@mail.thcwd.com> I know it has to be there, but I can not find the setting to make all new lists automatically conceal all members on the membership list. Under "Conceal yourself from subscriber list?" each member has the choice of yes or no, but the default seems to be no, and I need it to be yes. Basically I want members to have to "opt it" to be viewed by other members. <>< Paul From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 05:51:43 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:51:43 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway In-Reply-To: <20030425213416.GA55860@imhotep.yuckfou.org> References: <20030425213416.GA55860@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Message-ID: <1051501927.2144.56.camel@anncons> Mailman version 2.1.1 may have better performance (able to gate the messages even while moderating the senders), but I haven't tested that yet. I've set this up for a few companies using version 2.0.13. I used an external news reader (like slrn) to read in the new articles, then pumped the articles into Mailman using an approved header. I let mailman pump new mail out to the news groups. Note: there are two tricky parts to this, - check that the news post did not originate from the Mailman list (if it did then toss it away, *don't* push it back to the list) - Put a header in the gated news-group messages so that the the messages are not re-fed back to the newsgroup via Mailman. Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-04-25 at 17:34, Nils Vogels wrote: > Hi there! > > I'm kinda puzzling and hoping to achieve the following: > > List 'to-usenet' is a mailing list, which has a few subscriptions, that all > wish to get all the articles in a random newsgroup, and send messages to the > list, which will then be distributed over the members of the list, and to > usenet. > > The list has to be protected from postings by non-members, since I really do > not want to take the chance of gating any spam towards usenet (and get hung > upside down by my ISP). > > How do I achieve this? > > The configuration I have now, can either moderate all non-user posts, which > also moderates usenet posts, since they are from non-users to mailman as > well.. or, not moderate all non-user traffic. > > Moderation is not an option for me, since it means I have to approve every > message that needs to be distributed .. for each newsgroup they are interested > in :( > > Grtz, > > Nils. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 06:01:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:01:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 on Ensim In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030427221549.02ea61f0@mail.thcwd.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030427221549.02ea61f0@mail.thcwd.com> Message-ID: <1051502538.2143.64.camel@anncons> Hi Paul, I've installed on an Ensim Web appliance and if you install it using a user/group that is specific to the chroot like: "mailman-1" then you can have it be specific to just that chroot (and have multiple installs, one for each chrooted area). One other note: it is truely a bitch to install it on an Ensim. It took me in excess of 16 hours to get it right. Jon Carnes On Sun, 2003-04-27 at 23:21, Paul H Byerly wrote: > Hello all, > > I have not been reading this list of late, so someone else may have > done this (I was off list discussing it with a chap from England). I have > succeeded in installing mailman on Ensim web appliance. It is installed > OUTSIDE of the chrooted environment, in the main director of the > server. This means the server name is used for @dom.ain . It is not a > perfect solution if you want to make mailman available to multiple separate > users, but it does work. > > I will be writing it up for others, but would like to have someone > replicate it first to make sure my cleaned up record of my trials and > tribulation is accurate. Anyone interested may contact me directly - I > will clean it up and send my install out on Tuesday to those interested. > > > <>< Paul > There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and > those who don't. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 06:39:53 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 04:39:53 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <3EA8D37C.25970.3D2CEB8@localhost> References: <3EA8D37C.25970.3D2CEB8@localhost> Message-ID: <1051504807.2143.75.camel@anncons> On Fri, 2003-04-25 at 06:19, Dan Langille wrote: > On 24 Apr 2003 at 21:42, admin2 wrote: > > > OS: FreeBSD 4.7 > > Mailman: 2.1.1 > > I am using the same. > > > Okay I am getting a little confused here. Is there a good link out there that > > steps an admin through setting up mailman for virtual hosting? > > Not that I've found. I've been trying to write one, but I've not > been able to solve two basic problems. > > I've been attempting to migrate freebsddiary.org and freshports.org > mailing lists from majordomo to mailman. I've found the > administration interface and the the user interface to be much > better, but it seems much more difficult to do things that are fairly > well documented for majordomo. The two main blocks I've encountered > are: > > 1 - You cannot have two mailing lists with the same name in two > different domains and obtain satisfactory results: > The way we currently get around this, is to make an install of Mailman for each domain. This is actually well documented in the Archives. When making a domain specific install, you must create a user/group name that is specific to the install (like "mailman-domain1") and install it in its own directory: /usr/local/mailman-domain1 > 2 - The install instructions for mailman indicate that you must > create a "site wide" mailing list titled 'mailman'. It's unclear > whether or not you need just one per mailman installation or per > domain. One per installation. So if you have two virtual domains, then you would install Mailman twice (if you want to have simple lists with common names for each domain - ie. suppport at domain1.com and support at domain2.com). HtH - Jon Carnes From dan at langille.org Mon Apr 28 06:55:56 2003 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:55:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <1051504807.2143.75.camel@anncons> References: <3EA8D37C.25970.3D2CEB8@localhost> Message-ID: <3EAC7C1C.25168.121DC513@localhost> On 28 Apr 2003 at 0:40, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Fri, 2003-04-25 at 06:19, Dan Langille wrote: > > On 24 Apr 2003 at 21:42, admin2 wrote: > > > > > OS: FreeBSD 4.7 > > > Mailman: 2.1.1 > > > > I am using the same. > > > > > Okay I am getting a little confused here. Is there a good link out there that > > > steps an admin through setting up mailman for virtual hosting? > > > > Not that I've found. I've been trying to write one, but I've not > > been able to solve two basic problems. > > > > I've been attempting to migrate freebsddiary.org and freshports.org > > mailing lists from majordomo to mailman. I've found the > > administration interface and the the user interface to be much > > better, but it seems much more difficult to do things that are fairly > > well documented for majordomo. The two main blocks I've encountered > > are: > > > > 1 - You cannot have two mailing lists with the same name in two > > different domains and obtain satisfactory results: > > > The way we currently get around this, is to make an install of Mailman > for each domain. Ahhh, thanks, I've been looking for someone who's already achieved this. I hope we can develop a better solution. Multiple installs are OK for small numbers of domains, but it is very impractical for large installations. How many domains/lists are you running with mailman? My numbers are relatively small, but with Mailman having such potential and the user interface that it has, it's a shame to "spoil" it by jumping through hoops to achieve virtual hosting. I guess one could fake it by creating a single install, then creating a directory of symlinks to the "master" install. Has anyone investigated this? That at least would simplify the upgrade process and act as a bridge until the code is enhanced. > This is actually well documented in the Archives. It should be in the FAQ, or at least a point to the archives from the FAQ. My archive search found many people asking the question, but no answers. > When making a domain specific install, you must create a user/group name > that is specific to the install (like "mailman-domain1") and install it > in its own directory: /usr/local/mailman-domain1 Oh.... Is this approach used for non-trival sites? e.g. > 10. Are there any plans to do this "properly"? The directory name in ~mailman/lists shouldn't be the publicly displayed name. That should be a configuration item like anything else. > > 2 - The install instructions for mailman indicate that you must > > create a "site wide" mailing list titled 'mailman'. It's unclear > > whether or not you need just one per mailman installation or per > > domain. > > One per installation. So if you have two virtual domains, then you > would install Mailman twice (if you want to have simple lists with > common names for each domain - ie. suppport at domain1.com and > support at domain2.com). Thanks. I understand that. I hope to get a patch in for the documentation area once I get this completed. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de Mon Apr 28 11:54:35 2003 From: dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Sven Dittmar) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:54:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with multi-language In-Reply-To: <200304270953.01868.mailings@good-it.com> References: <200304270953.01868.mailings@good-it.com> Message-ID: <3EACFA5B.2070503@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi, > I just upgraded to mailman 2.1.1 and set the default language to "Dutch". > When i visit the list-page from a specific mailinglist it is partial in Dutch > and Partial in English. > How can i correct this? We have the same problem here with German/English. Posted this question a couple of times but got no answer. Really weird problem, chechek all configs and so on. Found nothing. Sven From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Apr 28 13:04:37 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:04:37 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with multi-language References: <200304270953.01868.mailings@good-it.com> <3EACFA5B.2070503@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: <3EAD0AC5.3060005@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, What is your OS ? I had similar problem in Solaris and it was because messages//LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo are not installed by install-sh script. You had better check the directory and may have to copy from the source tree. Maybe we should better bug-report. Sven Dittmar wrote: > Hi, > >> I just upgraded to mailman 2.1.1 and set the default language to "Dutch". >> When i visit the list-page from a specific mailinglist it is partial >> in Dutch and Partial in English. >> How can i correct this? > > We have the same problem here with German/English. Posted this question > a couple of times but got no answer. Really weird problem, chechek all > configs and so on. Found nothing. > > Sven > > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de Mon Apr 28 13:18:12 2003 From: dittmar at rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Sven Dittmar) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:18:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with multi-language In-Reply-To: <3EAD0AC5.3060005@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <200304270953.01868.mailings@good-it.com> <3EACFA5B.2070503@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <3EAD0AC5.3060005@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <3EAD0DF4.2080300@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi, you are right, we are using Solaris 8 at the moment, migrating smoothly to Debian-Linux. > What is your OS ? I had similar problem in Solaris and > it was because messages//LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo are > not installed by install-sh script. You had better check the > directory and may have to copy from the source tree. cp src/mailman-2.1.1/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/ worked. Domou arigatou! Sven From macnut at macnuthome.com Mon Apr 28 14:09:39 2003 From: macnut at macnuthome.com (Victor Daniel the MacNut) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limiting Number of Subscribers and Messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030428120939.GA17564@macnuthome.com> I've looked in the FAQ, and the archives, and the list owner pages, and have been unable to locate anything about this. So I'm asking here, is there a way to limit the number of subscribers that can join a Mailman list? Say, for example, I want one list to have only 20 subscribers, and another list to have no more than 500. And I'm able to change either of those numbers at any time. Another question I need to ask is, can the number of messages a Mailman list delivers be restricted? Say I want an announcement list to send only 1 message a week, and a discussion list to send no more than 10 messages a day. How do I do this? Of course, the list owner should not be able to change the options for number of subscribers or messages per day. This should be the domain of the site admin only. The MacNut From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 14:40:10 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:40:10 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limiting Number of Subscribers and Messages? In-Reply-To: <20030428120939.GA17564@macnuthome.com> References: <20030428120939.GA17564@macnuthome.com> Message-ID: <1051533609.2203.22.camel@anncons> On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 08:09, Victor Daniel the MacNut wrote: > I've looked in the FAQ, and the archives, and the list owner pages, and have been unable to locate > anything about this. So I'm asking here, is there a way to limit the number > of subscribers that can join a Mailman list? Say, for example, I want one > list to have only 20 subscribers, and another list to have no more than 500. > And I'm able to change either of those numbers at any time. > This is not a current feature of Mailman. Of course it is Open Source and I just can't stop myself from wonder, how would I build this in... Take a look at the code from two of the scripts: add_members and list_members. Including the "list_members code into add_members, you can easily calculate the number of current users of a list (assuming you count all users - even "no mail" users). Check this number before allowing any adds to a list - drop an if statement in the code that says if that number is greater than some value (a value that you could read in from mm_cfg.py) then exit with a warning: Number of users of list already exceeds %Max_val. You would have to do the same for the Web-cgi, but since it already calculates the number of users in the list, you can simply use this number to direct the URL creation for the click (Mass subscribe users). To be through, you would also need to add the check to the code for adding users via email. Whew! Sounds like a lot, but I'm guessing you could get it all done in under 6 hours, if you just try. If you're experienced with this kind of thing ~ 2 hours. > Another question I need to ask is, can the number of messages a Mailman list > delivers be restricted? Say I want an announcement list to send only 1 message a week, > and a discussion list to send no more than 10 messages a day. How do I do > this? > There may already be an existing patch for this (a few folks have asked for it). It's not a current feature of Mailman. This would be an easy hack to the code. You would simply create a file in each lists' directory, and have that file increment a running total for each message that goes through. Put a hack in the code to moderate "all" messages once that value is greater than some fixed number (read out of mm_cfg.py). You would put a script in cron that zero'ed the files out at midnight (or 2am, whenever!). The actual incrementing of the code can be either internal (more Mailman hacks), or you could run a cron job which monitors the Mailman log files and increments the number for each lists successful post. Note, if you are a really good hacker, you would simply add this incremented value to the lists' configuration file. > Of course, the list owner should not be able to change the options for > number of subscribers or messages per day. This should be the domain of the > site admin only. > > The MacNut Have fun MacNut! Jon Carnes From bb at L8R.net Mon Apr 28 15:00:06 2003 From: bb at L8R.net (Brad Barnett) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:00:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <1051476801.2145.6.camel@anncons> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426211229.03ceade0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <1051476801.2145.6.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <20030428090006.6460a0f8.bb@L8R.net> On 27 Apr 2003 16:53:22 -0400 Jon Carnes wrote: > > > > > > >Hey all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just > > > > > > >last week. After one post to the list, Mailman started > > > > > > >generating duplicate after duplicate of this same message. > > > > > > >It was caught in the process of sending the fourth message > > > > > > >out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using > > > > > > >diff to check them against each other. They all have the > > > > > > >same message ID, the same send time, etc. Each of these > > > > > > >messages was sent to the over 10k users on this list, and I > > > > > > >still don't know why. > > > > > > > > > > > > What version of Mailman are you using? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2.0.13, on Redhat 8.0. > > > > > > > > I've only seen this kind of behavior in Mailman 2.0.13 when the server > ran out of resources (or was restarted) in the middle of a delivery. > > I suggest you look at your system resources - in particular your RAM and > your disk space. I have a feeling that you ran out of RAM while trying > to process mail going out to your list. > I can't see it being a ram issue. This box has 256M of ram and 500M of swap. It (generally) does not put a heavy load on those resources. Right now it has 84M of ram free, after being up for a week, with almost no swap used. My take on this is that the box hasn't even used all of its resources, otherwise it would have ram full with cached libs and what not. I also just checked the boot.log on this box, and it was rebooted (for some odd reason) just before the message was sent out. This box has been using Mailman for over a year with no issues, and was fresh (read, ram clean) just before this batch was sent out. I don't think it was a ram issue.. and hard drive space seems fine. Any other ideas or possibilities? > You'll see several instances in the archives where we have tracked this > type of behavior down to a system resource problem. > > Earlier versions of Mailman (like version 2.0.11) did have problems with > malformed headers, which would cause this type of behavior, but 2.0.13 > has been very good about handling anything thrown at it. > > BTW: when you get 4 identical messages where even the MSG-ID's are > identical, then you know it's the same message being delivered multiple > times. > > Take care and good luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 15:58:22 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:58:22 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <3EAC7C1C.25168.121DC513@localhost> References: <3EA8D37C.25970.3D2CEB8@localhost> <3EAC7C1C.25168.121DC513@localhost> Message-ID: <1051538319.2203.19.camel@anncons> On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 00:55, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > > 1 - You cannot have two mailing lists with the same name in two > > > different domains and obtain satisfactory results: > > > > > The way we currently get around this, is to make an install of Mailman > > for each domain. > > I guess one could fake it by creating a single install, then creating > a directory of symlinks to the "master" install. Has anyone > investigated this? That at least would simplify the upgrade process > and act as a bridge until the code is enhanced. > I attempted to setup Mailman at first using sym-links in each of the virtual domains. I know that was a total failure (it would lose the domain specific info), and I ended up doing complete installs for each domain (only six). It's been awhile now, since I did that (and it was with version 2.0.13 which had very limited Virtual Domain support). It *might* be possible to use sym-links now with version 2.1.2. Keep in mind though that version 3.x of Mailman *will* have the virtual domain features that you are looking for. You might want to put some efforts into helping Barry and the dev crew along in their efforts to get that code written and stable. > > This is actually well documented in the Archives. > > It should be in the FAQ, or at least a point to the archives from the > FAQ. My archive search found many people asking the question, but no > answers. > The FAQ's are user maintained. Feel free to add to them! My notes on multiple Virtual Domain installs are in the archives so you can feel free to borrow from those. HtH - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 16:18:40 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:18:40 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <20030428090006.6460a0f8.bb@L8R.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426153734.03e01628@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426180222.03cbde40@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426211229.03ceade0@pop3.demon.co.uk> <1051476801.2145.6.camel@anncons> <20030428090006.6460a0f8.bb@L8R.net> Message-ID: <1051539547.2200.38.camel@anncons> On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 09:00, Brad Barnett wrote: > On 27 Apr 2003 16:53:22 -0400 > Jon Carnes wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hey all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I've had a very bizarre situation occur with Mailman just > > > > > > > >last week. After one post to the list, Mailman started > > > > > > > >generating duplicate after duplicate of this same message. > > > > > > > >It was caught in the process of sending the fourth message > > > > > > > >out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The list.mbox file shows 4 identical messages, even if using > > > > > > > >diff to check them against each other. They all have the > > > > > > > >same message ID, the same send time, etc. Each of these > > > > > > > >messages was sent to the over 10k users on this list, and I > > > > > > > >still don't know why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What version of Mailman are you using? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2.0.13, on Redhat 8.0. > > > > > > > > > > > I've only seen this kind of behavior in Mailman 2.0.13 when the server > > ran out of resources (or was restarted) in the middle of a delivery. > > > > I suggest you look at your system resources - in particular your RAM and > > your disk space. I have a feeling that you ran out of RAM while trying > > to process mail going out to your list. > > > > I can't see it being a ram issue. This box has 256M of ram and 500M of > swap. It (generally) does not put a heavy load on those resources. Right > now it has 84M of ram free, after being up for a week, with almost no swap > used. > > My take on this is that the box hasn't even used all of its resources, > otherwise it would have ram full with cached libs and what not. I also > just checked the boot.log on this box, and it was rebooted (for some odd > reason) just before the message was sent out. This box has been using > Mailman for over a year with no issues, and was fresh (read, ram clean) > just before this batch was sent out. > This sends up a big flag... *why* was the server rebooted? Upgrade, disk problems, restores from backup, security added...??? > I don't think it was a ram issue.. and hard drive space seems fine. > > Any other ideas or possibilities? > Hmmm - I'm still suspicious of your system resources. How big is your config file for the list: ls -lh ~mailman/lists/ What are the results of a "df -ah" Does the following command run without error: ~mailman/bin/check_db Did you upgrade or modify any features of your OS just before the errors began to happen - as an example, did you upgrade your Python installation on the server? Did you install or upgrade TripWire or some other system scanning app? Locking issues can also cause similar problems. Are your running any Anti-virus or Anti-spam apps on the server? TripWire? Msec? Backup/rsync routines for replication in case of failure? Anything that can add an external lock on the files that are being used. Also,what type of archiving are you doing - do you run an external mail archiver? Lots of questions... I hope they lead you to an answer! Jon Carnes From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Mon Apr 28 16:21:54 2003 From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:21:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: Mailman 2.1.X, Sendmail, smrsh not playing well together! Message-ID: Ok, Second request: I have a RaQ4/RH Linux box with Mailman fully installed. All the Mailman screens and functions appear to be working without a hitch. But, when anything is posted to any List in the system it never makes it anywhere. With the first attempt at config, it would return the 'Service Unavailable' messages as have been discussed here. I made a separate wrapper to point to 'Mailman' instead of 'Wrapper' (as the instructions state for both Mailman and a subsequent piece on those using Sendmail) to see if that would solve the problem vs. instructions I had. Once I made that wrapper, everything posted no longer replies with 'Service Unavailable', it just goes off into oblivion with no responses from the system. I figure that might be good, as it's pooling them up for processing? But it still comes down to the fact Mailman can't call Sendmail for handling as 'smrsh' stops the process call for security reasons. Sun/Cobalt/RH doesn't place the possible directories as have been discussed here as a possible solution, such as '/etc/smrsh' where I could place config files or anything that would tell smrsh to let the traffic pass. So I'm clueless at that point. ANYONE with suggestions, clues or questions please get in touch with me. I know I'm not the only one with this particular setup, so I would think open discussion here and debates on solutions is as good as off-list, but I'll take it any way help can come. I have one major List offline for 1.5 weeks now that I HAVE to get working so I'm desperate. Thanks in advance! David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation Global E-Pay Solutions www.nwcxpress.com From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Apr 28 16:54:02 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:54:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch update for MM 2.1.2 Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030428154427.047615e0@pop.ftel.co.uk> I have uploaded to sourceforge revised versions, for MM 2.1.2 compatibility, of my patches for integrating HTdig with Mailman. See http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 Two earlier patches, #661138 and #668685, which were precursors of the integration patches are no longer needed, having been incorporated into the 2.1.2 source. Unfortunately, a new precursor, Bug #728836, is needed to correct defects in some of the new Polish and Portuguese language templates. From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Mon Apr 28 17:18:48 2003 From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:18:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch update for MM 2.1.2 Message-ID: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F61@bramley.becta.org.uk> I am sure the list has been asked this before, but is there any documentation on how to integrate mailman with ht-dig. A tutorial would be nice if anyone has written such a document. Thanks, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] Sent: 28 April 2003 15:54 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch update for MM 2.1.2 I have uploaded to sourceforge revised versions, for MM 2.1.2 compatibility, of my patches for integrating HTdig with Mailman. See http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103 &atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103 &atid=300103 Two earlier patches, #661138 and #668685, which were precursors of the integration patches are no longer needed, having been incorporated into the 2.1.2 source. Unfortunately, a new precursor, Bug #728836, is needed to correct defects in some of the new Polish and Portuguese language templates. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/timothy.arnold%40becta. org.uk ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Mon Apr 28 17:53:55 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:53:55 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch update for MM 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F61@bramley.becta.org .uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030428164446.047615e0@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 16:18 28/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: >I am sure the list has been asked this before, but is there any >documentation on how to integrate mailman with ht-dig. A tutorial would be >nice if anyone has written such a document. Take a look at this entry in the MM FAQ for info on making lists searchable: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp You will also find that there is a comprehensive description on how to use my Mailman HTdig integration patch in a file called INSTALL.htdig-mm which is installed as part of my patch, which you can find at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 Just download and unzip the patch file from sourceforge. Once unzipped, the patch file is pure text and you can view the INSTALL.htdig-mm document before even applying the patch and extracting the document. You will find it close to the top of the patch file, starting at line 29. >Thanks, >Tim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] >Sent: 28 April 2003 15:54 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch update for MM 2.1.2 > > >I have uploaded to sourceforge revised versions, for MM 2.1.2 >compatibility, of my patches for integrating HTdig with Mailman. See > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103 >&atid=300103 > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103 >&atid=300103 > >Two earlier patches, #661138 and #668685, which were precursors of the >integration patches are no longer needed, having been incorporated into the >2.1.2 source. > >Unfortunately, a new precursor, Bug #728836, is needed to correct defects >in some of the new Polish and Portuguese language templates. > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Unsubscribe or change >your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/timothy.arnold%40becta. >org.uk > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by >MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Mon Apr 28 18:24:58 2003 From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:24:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch update for MM 2.1.2 Message-ID: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F66@bramley.becta.org.uk> Thanks very much! All patched and ready to go. This is really for the benefit of other Solaris users but I found you need to use the gnu patch & gnu diffutils, both of which are available from sunfreeware.com! Thanks once again, Timothy. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] Sent: 28 April 2003 16:54 To: Timothy Arnold; mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch update for MM 2.1.2 At 16:18 28/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: >I am sure the list has been asked this before, but is there any >documentation on how to integrate mailman with ht-dig. A tutorial would >be nice if anyone has written such a document. Take a look at this entry in the MM FAQ for info on making lists searchable: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp You will also find that there is a comprehensive description on how to use my Mailman HTdig integration patch in a file called INSTALL.htdig-mm which is installed as part of my patch, which you can find at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103 &atid=300103 Just download and unzip the patch file from sourceforge. Once unzipped, the patch file is pure text and you can view the INSTALL.htdig-mm document before even applying the patch and extracting the document. You will find it close to the top of the patch file, starting at line 29. >Thanks, >Tim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] >Sent: 28 April 2003 15:54 >To: mailman-users at python.org >Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration patch update for MM 2.1.2 > > >I have uploaded to sourceforge revised versions, for MM 2.1.2 >compatibility, of my patches for integrating HTdig with Mailman. See > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_i >d=103 >&atid=300103 > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_i >d=103 >&atid=300103 > >Two earlier patches, #661138 and #668685, which were precursors of the >integration patches are no longer needed, having been incorporated into >the 2.1.2 source. > >Unfortunately, a new precursor, Bug #728836, is needed to correct >defects in some of the new Polish and Portuguese language templates. > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > >This message was sent to: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Unsubscribe or >change your options at >http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/timothy.arnold%40b >ecta. >org.uk > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message >has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From paul at thcwd.com Mon Apr 28 19:02:49 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:02:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.1 on Ensim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030428115916.03465f10@mail.thcwd.com> Jon Carnes wrote: >Hi Paul, > >I've installed on an Ensim Web appliance and if you install it using a >user/group that is specific to the chroot like: "mailman-1" then you can >have it be specific to just that chroot (and have multiple installs, one >for each chrooted area). > >One other note: it is truely a bitch to install it on an Ensim. It took >me in excess of 16 hours to get it right. I have more than 16 hours invested in trying to get it work that way. I could get the e-mail side working, but not the web pages. The permissions are just a bear. I got some notes from several people, including you I belive, but never a concise how to. Finally gave up and tried it outside the chrooted environment and it was fairly easy. I could reproduce it in well under an hour. <>< Paul From GHHalley at earthlink.net Mon Apr 28 19:38:04 2003 From: GHHalley at earthlink.net (earthlink GHHalley) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:38:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cascading Style Sheets -- Newbie question Message-ID: <18010250562.20030428103804@earthlink.net> Howdy All, Forgive me for asking what I bet is a simple question. My webdesigner is clueless on how this forum works and I'm really busy doing other work. Can we use CSS on our Mailman websites? If so, how? (assuming general familiarity with Mailman and its setup) And can we use different style sheets for different lists? THANKS in advance for your help. I promise not to ask any more bone-headed questions. Peace, George From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 19:48:58 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:48:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: Mailman 2.1.X, Sendmail, smrsh not playing well together! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051552165.2200.154.camel@anncons> On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 10:21, David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com wrote: > But it still comes down to the fact Mailman can't > call Sendmail for handling as 'smrsh' stops the process > call for security reasons. Sun/Cobalt/RH doesn't place > the possible directories as have been discussed here as > a possible solution, such as '/etc/smrsh' where I could > place config files or anything that would tell smrsh to > let the traffic pass. So I'm clueless at that point. > Are you sure at this point that smrsh is the problem? If so, there could be a few things at work here (depending on if your sendmail is running chrooted or not. If sendmail is running in a chroot, then you have to setup the smrsh to work inside the chrooted environment. An other alternative is that your smrsh my not be setup to use /etc/smrsh (which is a redhat-ism); the default smrsh path is /usr/adm/sm.bin. You can find further discussion of this in the archives (or by looking up smrsh in google. What version of mailman are you running? Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Mon Apr 28 20:03:00 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:03:00 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cascading Style Sheets -- Newbie question In-Reply-To: <18010250562.20030428103804@earthlink.net> References: <18010250562.20030428103804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1051552781.2201.156.camel@anncons> I believe that you have to apply a patch to Mailman, but then the answer is yes. Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ I think the patch was recently updated, so be sure you get the latest patch. HtH - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 13:38, earthlink GHHalley wrote: > Howdy All, > > Forgive me for asking what I bet is a simple question. My webdesigner > is clueless on how this forum works and I'm really busy doing other > work. > > Can we use CSS on our Mailman websites? > If so, how? (assuming general familiarity with Mailman and its setup) > And can we use different style sheets for different lists? > > THANKS in advance for your help. I promise not to ask any more > bone-headed questions. > > Peace, > George > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Mon Apr 28 20:32:52 2003 From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:32:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: Mailman 2.1.X, Sendmail, smrsh not playing well together! In-Reply-To: <1051552165.2200.154.camel@anncons> Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] >Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:49 PM >To: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com >Cc: MailMan Users >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP: Mailman 2.1.X, Sendmail, smrsh >notplaying well together! > > >On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 10:21, David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com wrote: > >> But it still comes down to the fact Mailman can't >> call Sendmail for handling as 'smrsh' stops the process >> call for security reasons. Sun/Cobalt/RH doesn't place >> the possible directories as have been discussed here as >> a possible solution, such as '/etc/smrsh' where I could >> place config files or anything that would tell smrsh to >> let the traffic pass. So I'm clueless at that point. >> >Are you sure at this point that smrsh is the problem? >because of smrsh> Yes, discussions here in the Archive and on the Cobalt Lists have detailed that Service Unavilable replies from the Server are due to Sendmail using smrsh restrictions. I have the latest Solarspeed Sendmail patch, including the second recent bug found, so it's mandatorily running smrsh as the guard-dog for Sendmail. >If so, there could be a few things at work here (depending on if your >sendmail is running chrooted or not. If sendmail is running in a >chroot, then you have to setup the smrsh to work inside the chrooted >environment. Unfortunately I'm not that heavily versed in Sendmail and how the RaQ4x series w/RH Linux are configured to have an answer to that question. Any more details I could search for on the box for an answer? >An other alternative is that your smrsh my not be setup to use >/etc/smrsh (which is a redhat-ism); the default smrsh path is >/usr/adm/sm.bin. You can find further discussion of this in the >archives (or by looking up smrsh in google. Yes, it is the sm.bin path on this box. I did find further discussions, but nothing that cause anything other than the Service Unavailable errors to occur. Only way that stopped was configuring the alternative wrapper for the Mailman directory in an attempt to have Sendmail/smrsh find whatever it needed to run without a security issue. In that case, it now 'eats' all messages sent to the List e-mail address with no replies. >What version of mailman are you running? 2.1.1, the last stable version released when I attempted this a couple of weeks ago. I used instructions from a gent who got this to work pre-Sendmail patches last October to do the complete install. Those instructions used an older version of Mailman, but the only difference I found was the pathing being more free-form on the newer edition which I adjusted for. Python 2.2.2, Cobalt RH Linux, Sendmail 8.??.?? w/patch on a Sun/Cobalt RaQ4r. David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation - Global E-Pay Solutions www.nwcxpress.com - POSA, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions NWCWEB - Your design, hosting and e-commerce solution! www.nwcweb.com - Featuring Miva e-commerce and Sun Cobalt RaQ platforms From dave at umiacs.umd.edu Mon Apr 28 20:47:53 2003 From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: Mailman 2.1.X, Sendmail, smrsh not playing well together! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com wrote: > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] > >Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:49 PM > >To: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com > >Cc: MailMan Users > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP: Mailman 2.1.X, Sendmail, smrsh > >notplaying well together! > > > > > >On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 10:21, David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com wrote: > > > >> But it still comes down to the fact Mailman can't > >> call Sendmail for handling as 'smrsh' stops the process > >> call for security reasons. Sun/Cobalt/RH doesn't place > >> the possible directories as have been discussed here as > >> a possible solution, such as '/etc/smrsh' where I could > >> place config files or anything that would tell smrsh to > >> let the traffic pass. So I'm clueless at that point. > >> > >Are you sure at this point that smrsh is the problem? > > >because of smrsh> > > Yes, discussions here in the Archive and on the Cobalt > Lists have detailed that Service Unavilable replies from > the Server are due to Sendmail using smrsh restrictions. > I have the latest Solarspeed Sendmail patch, including the > second recent bug found, so it's mandatorily running smrsh > as the guard-dog for Sendmail. > > >If so, there could be a few things at work here (depending on if your > >sendmail is running chrooted or not. If sendmail is running in a > >chroot, then you have to setup the smrsh to work inside the chrooted > >environment. > > Unfortunately I'm not that heavily versed in Sendmail > and how the RaQ4x series w/RH Linux are configured to have an > answer to that question. Any more details I could search for > on the box for an answer? > > >An other alternative is that your smrsh my not be setup to use > >/etc/smrsh (which is a redhat-ism); the default smrsh path is > >/usr/adm/sm.bin. You can find further discussion of this in the > >archives (or by looking up smrsh in google. > > Yes, it is the sm.bin path on this box. I did find further > discussions, but nothing that cause anything other than the > Service Unavailable errors to occur. Only way that stopped was > configuring the alternative wrapper for the Mailman directory > in an attempt to have Sendmail/smrsh find whatever it needed > to run without a security issue. In that case, it now 'eats' > all messages sent to the List e-mail address with no replies. > > >What version of mailman are you running? > > 2.1.1, the last stable version released when I attempted > this a couple of weeks ago. I used instructions from a gent who > got this to work pre-Sendmail patches last October to do the > complete install. Those instructions used an older version of > Mailman, but the only difference I found was the pathing being > more free-form on the newer edition which I adjusted for. > > Python 2.2.2, Cobalt RH Linux, Sendmail 8.??.?? w/patch > on a Sun/Cobalt RaQ4r. > > David J. Duffner > VP Operations > NWC Corporation - Global E-Pay Solutions > www.nwcxpress.com - POSA, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions > NWCWEB - Your design, hosting and e-commerce solution! > www.nwcweb.com - Featuring Miva e-commerce and Sun Cobalt RaQ > platforms > I vaguely recall having a similar problem but ultimately got it working so sendmail-8.12.9 will work with smrsh and mailman. One of the things to check is that you have that default mailman list that everyone forgets to create.... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David Stern University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies From skategoat25 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 28 21:02:46 2003 From: skategoat25 at yahoo.ca (Henry Kim) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Explanation of txt files anywhere? Message-ID: <20030428190246.71780.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm setting up MailMan for the first time and I'd like to modify almost all of the messages that come back to the subscriber. I figured out that subscribeack.txt is the welcome message. Is there any documentation on the rest of the messages? This is a list of all the text files I found. I'm trying to find out what each one is used for. Some are obvious by the name but others are not. newlist.txt postheld.txt subscribeack.txt adminsubscribeack.txt bounce.txt nopass.txt reenable.txt adminunsubscribeack.txt checkdbs.txt help.txt refuse.txt admlogin.txt convert.txt postack.txt userpass.txt approve.txt cronpass.txt masthead.txt postauth.txt subauth.txt verify.txt ===== Henry Kim (from his travelling email address) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From william+mm at hq.newdream.net Mon Apr 28 21:04:46 2003 From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:04:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <3EAC7C1C.25168.121DC513@localhost> References: <3EA8D37C.25970.3D2CEB8@localhost> <3EAC7C1C.25168.121DC513@localhost> Message-ID: <20030428190446.GD22643@hq.newdream.net> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 12:55:56AM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > On 28 Apr 2003 at 0:40, Jon Carnes wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-04-25 at 06:19, Dan Langille wrote: > > > On 24 Apr 2003 at 21:42, admin2 wrote: > > > > Okay I am getting a little confused here. Is there a good > > > > link out there that steps an admin through setting up mailman > > > > for virtual hosting? > > > Not that I've found. I've been trying to write one, but I've > > > not been able to solve two basic problems. > > > > > > I've been attempting to migrate freebsddiary.org and > > > freshports.org mailing lists from majordomo to mailman. I've > > > found the administration interface and the the user interface to > > > be much better, but it seems much more difficult to do things > > > that are fairly well documented for majordomo. The two main > > > blocks I've encountered are: > > > > > > 1 - You cannot have two mailing lists with the same name in two > > > different domains and obtain satisfactory results: > > The way we currently get around this, is to make an install of > > Mailman for each domain. > Ahhh, thanks, I've been looking for someone who's already achieved > this. I hope we can develop a better solution. Multiple installs > are OK for small numbers of domains, but it is very impractical for > large installations. Agreed. We would be *very* interested in seeing better virtual domain support with one installation of Mailman. I originally thought that 2.1.x would have better virtual domain support, but its idea of "virtual domain" support mostly has to do with actual alias generation, etc., and not with having multiple list namespaces with the same mailman install. FWIW, the way we currently handle this is a bit ugly, but works... We create the lists with the domain name in them... for example: list-example.com at lists.example.com Then we alias list at example.com to list at lists.example.com. This basically works, but the email addresses in the rfc 2369 headers and list headers / footers still have the full listname. If there was an easy way to give mailman a fake listname (i.e., list at example.com), and have all of the headers match this pattern (list-bounces at example.com, list-request at example.com, etc.), that would probably be enough of a workaround -- the actual listname and HTTP links could still point to list-example.com at lists.example.com (hopefully, some similar hack could be worked out with the Apache stuff so that the links could be the simple name as well). I agree that doing independent installs of Mailman would be a huge PITA - even if the installation were automated, it would make things a huge hassle for a large installation. I believe Sympa may handle this a bit better - I've considered switching, but since we have a large number of existing Mailman lists, and since we're more familiar with Mailman, we are probably going to stick with our current system for a while. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") From mmuserslist at nwcweb.com Mon Apr 28 21:31:31 2003 From: mmuserslist at nwcweb.com (David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:31:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: Mailman 2.1.X, Sendmail, smrsh not playing well together! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist >[mailto:dave at umiacs.umd.edu] >Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 2:48 PM >To: David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com >Cc: jonc at nc.rr.com; MailMan Users >Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] HELP: Mailman 2.1.X, Sendmail, smrsh not >playing well together! > > >I vaguely recall having a similar problem but ultimately got >it working >so sendmail-8.12.9 will work with smrsh and mailman. One of >the things to >check is that you have that default mailman list that >everyone forgets to >create.... Default List created, that's what we've been testing to initially. Also have been able to create other lists on other domains on the box, MM's working AOK. It's just the MTA and handling issue. David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation - Global E-Pay Solutions www.nwcxpress.com - POSA, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions NWCWEB - Your design, hosting and e-commerce solution! www.nwcweb.com - Featuring Miva e-commerce and Sun Cobalt RaQ platforms From proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de Mon Apr 28 22:30:42 2003 From: proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de (proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:30:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman webfrontend under different url In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426081806.03c2fd60@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426081806.03c2fd60@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <200304282230.42563.proescho@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Am Samstag, 26. April 2003 09:27 schrieb Richard Barrett: > You should: > > 1. leave the definition for DEFAULT_URL as None as per the default in > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. It is only there for backwards compatibility > and its role has been taken over by DEFAULT_URL_HOST and > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN. > > 2. use the $prefix/bin/withlist script fix_url.py to set the web_page_url > of your existing lists to use the value you have assigned in mm_cfg.py > > 3. do mailmanctl restart as a precaution i checked all this. DEFAULT_URL ist None (as it was before) I created my new lists only after i made the changes to mm_cfg.py, althoug i tried fix_paths as well. I still have the problem that the links do not point to the proper location. Following one working link to the "Mailman Administrator Authentication" of the mailman list, the problem can be seen very clear. Mailman list run by proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de (points to maillists.test.my.domain) Mailman administrative interface (requires authorization) (points to tools.my.domain) Overview of all maillists.test.rz.informatik.uni-muenchen.de mailing lists (points to maillists.my.domain) The next thing i noticed is, that the cgi action form points to /cgi-bin/mailman, althouth i configured /mailman/ in mm_cfg.py any more ideas? many thanks Timo PRoescholdt > > And all should now be well. Newly created lists will pick up your > DEFAULT_URL_HOST value. The problem you have is that existing lists are > using the old value and fix_url.py should fix that. > > Post again if this does not work for you. > > At 22:53 25/04/2003, proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de wrote: > >hi, > > > >im trying to run the webfrontend to mailman on a different server. > >For this i set up apache mod_proxy on this server to fetch the > >requiered pages from to "real" mailman server. > > > >The Problem ist that i cannot configure mailman to correctly change > >the DEFAULT_URL_HOST. > > > >i configured > > > >DEFAULT_URL = 'http://tools.my.domain/mailman/' > >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'maillists.test.my.domain' > >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'tools.my.domain' > >VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 > > > >in mm_cfg.py > > > >the rewrite module rewrites everything from > >http://tools.my.domain/mailman/(.*) to > >http://mailserver.my.domain/cgi-bin/mailman/$1 > > > > > >the result, when i display the default mailman/admin page, is > >that the "mailing list owerview ", and "create new list"-URLS point > >to maillists.test.my.domain insted of tools.my.domain, > >only the administrative link to the Mailman List (which i created) > >points correctly to tools.my.domain. > > > >Also when i connect to the server directly > >(http://mailserver.my.domain/cgi-bin/mailman/admin) the links are not set > >correct. > > > >Why does mailman use the value of DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST for these links? > > > >Mailman version is 2.1.1 on debian woody. > >The maillinglists shall appear unter mlists.test.my.domain > > > > > >thanks > >timo From david at gof.se Mon Apr 28 22:36:08 2003 From: david at gof.se (David) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:36:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request Message-ID: <1586.213.200.148.231.1051562168.squirrel@www.gof.se> Hi! First of all, I love Mailman, keep up the good work :) I subscibed to a Symba list today, and I found a really neat feature. At the list members personal webpage there is a form where you can fill in your alternate e-mail addresses. I spend a lot of time managing messages sent to my lists from members posting from alternate adresses. I know that I the listmanager can administrate this in Mailman, but it's really nice that the subscriber can configure multiple addresses themself. Blue Skies, /David From mailings at good-it.com Tue Apr 29 00:00:22 2003 From: mailings at good-it.com (mailings at good-it.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:00:22 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with multi-language Message-ID: <200304290000.22449.mailings@good-it.com> I just checked my mailman.mo files and they are just there. Just to be sure i compiled them again, but no improvement here. Anyone else any clues? Thanks again! Grz. Johan From admin2 at enabled.com Tue Apr 29 02:29:33 2003 From: admin2 at enabled.com (admin2) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:29:33 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman forwardedmail is delayed from 45-hour? Message-ID: <20030429002515.M22935@enabled.com> HI, mailman list mail is really delayed on my box at the moment a dual pentium running FreeBSD 4.7 Stable running send mail 8.12.9 mailman version 2.1.1 I am seeing lots of hostmap failues in my sendmail queue. is there anyway to increase the speed of delivery even though these host map errors could be creating sluggishness. What else could I look at? ---- snip --- h3S0Ear7096737 509 Sun Apr 27 17:14 (host map: lookup (telocity.com): deferred) ---- snip --- -- Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com) From mic at npgx.com.au Tue Apr 29 03:36:02 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:36:02 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request In-Reply-To: <1586.213.200.148.231.1051562168.squirrel@www.gof.se> Message-ID: <37276A1954139B40BC5F5D15B0F87BCC0292EA9E@excp02.amcorp.com.au> I'd second that as a great feature, my goal is the day when I can sit back, relax and watch the system work itself. This type of feature in Mailman would be one more step in that direction. Michael. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+mic=npgx.com.au at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+mic=npgx.com.au at python.org] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2003 6:36 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request Hi! First of all, I love Mailman, keep up the good work :) I subscibed to a Symba list today, and I found a really neat feature. At the list members personal webpage there is a form where you can fill in your alternate e-mail addresses. I spend a lot of time managing messages sent to my lists from members posting from alternate adresses. I know that I the listmanager can administrate this in Mailman, but it's really nice that the subscriber can configure multiple addresses themself. Blue Skies, /David ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: mic at npgx.com.au Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mic%40npgx.com.au From admin2 at enabled.com Tue Apr 29 06:24:14 2003 From: admin2 at enabled.com (admin2) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 20:24:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman forwardedmail is delayed from 45-hour? Message-ID: <20030429002515.M22935@enabled.com> HI, mailman list mail is really delayed on my box at the moment a dual pentium running FreeBSD 4.7 Stable running send mail 8.12.9 mailman version 2.1.1 I am seeing lots of hostmap failues in my sendmail queue. is there anyway to increase the speed of delivery even though these host map errors could be creating sluggishness. What else could I look at? ---- snip --- h3S0Ear7096737 509 Sun Apr 27 17:14 (host map: lookup (telocity.com): deferred) ---- snip --- -- Net Enabled (http://www.enabled.com) From tigote at attbi.com Tue Apr 29 07:10:05 2003 From: tigote at attbi.com (Melissa Oringer) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:10:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complete List of Mailman fields? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030428220751.01879390@localhost> Hello, I'm an admin for several lists using Mailman v2.0.13. I've searched the FAQ on the list.org website as well as the documentation and the archives of this list, but have been unable to find a complete list Mailman fields available when customizing the HTML display. At present, I want to display the text defined in the "info" field. Anyone know how to call it? Cheers, -M _____________________________ Melissa Oringer http://www.tigote.com * http://www.bbzzz.com * http://www.jewitchery.com From mic at npgx.com.au Tue Apr 29 07:26:42 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:26:42 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approving messages? Message-ID: <37276A1954139B40BC5F5D15B0F87BCC0292EAA8@excp02.amcorp.com.au> Hi, I use Mailman 2.0.13 and run a small list. Everyone is happy to post in and out of the list, as the list allows only subscribers to post. One member, he posts and only his posts go into my queue (as the list admin) for approval. I've checked and he's already subscribed to the list, yet it sends me his emails for approval. Any ideas what I can check here? Michael. From mic at npgx.com.au Tue Apr 29 07:27:52 2003 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:27:52 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approving messages? Part 2 Message-ID: <37276A1954139B40BC5F5D15B0F87BCC0292EAA9@excp02.amcorp.com.au> Sorry, this is the reason Mailman gives: Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list But as mentioned, he is a member. Michael. From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Tue Apr 29 07:30:41 2003 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:30:41 +0900 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with multi-language References: <200304290000.22449.mailings@good-it.com> Message-ID: <3EAE0E01.1030401@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hmm. Looks like the Dutch translation is incomplete. You can improve it by editing mailman.po and compile again. Also you can contribute to the i18n Dutch translation team. Contact the champion. Cheers! mailings at good-it.com wrote: > I just checked my mailman.mo files and they are just there. > Just to be sure i compiled them again, but no improvement here. > Anyone else any clues? > > Thanks again! > Grz. Johan > -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From clfa at lapdragon.org Tue Apr 29 09:26:43 2003 From: clfa at lapdragon.org (Kysh) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:26:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying Message-ID: <20030429072643.GA26293@meer.net> Ok, I'll try to keep this as short as possible. (I have skimmed the archives, I have dug around for months on the internet trying to find a reference. I have asked on the IRC channel, all to no avail) I've been running mailman for years and years now. I've been upgrading along the way, and am currently running 2.1.1-5. Sometime back in December (May have been around the time of an upgrade, can't remember), my qrunner took a vacation. I didn't notice for a few days until dozens of users started emailing me frantically. I've upgraded quite a few times since then, but since then: When I run maimanctl start, qrunner only lasts about three seconds. Apr 29 00:21:05 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 26362, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 29 00:21:05 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 26361, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] [snip] ... [snip] Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 26432, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 26438, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner ArchRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 26437, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner VirginRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 26436, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner NewsRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. I tried upping the maximum restart limit to an arbitrarily high number, but qrunner just didn't really work at all. However, if I run /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner -r All, everything works great. (Except that after a while, it starts eating up more and more CPU time) I've checked all the easy stuff, and I'm stumped. I don't know python that well, and this whole thing gives me a bit of a headache. :> Any thoughts? (reinstalling is DEFINIETLY not an option, with the number of users and lists that I have!) -Kysh -- .+------------------------------------------------------------+. | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying | | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr | | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang | | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ | | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham | | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ | `+------------------------------------------------------------+' From tonu at spam.ee Tue Apr 29 12:36:58 2003 From: tonu at spam.ee (Tonu Samuel) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:36:58 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Mails get lost with different 2.1.x mailmans, including today's CVS] Message-ID: <1051612585.7138.31.camel@linux.local> Seems that mailman-developers list is dead. No approval/reject happaned within acceptable time. -----Forwarded Message----- From: Tonu Samuel To: mailman-developers at python.org Subject: Mails get lost with different 2.1.x mailmans, including today's CVS Date: 28 Apr 2003 15:59:53 +0300 New to this list but checked FAQ. Was not able to find solution. I am using mailman from CVS and this bug seems to be unfixed. Description: We are running company with 200 computer workstations and over 20 lists on mailman. Once our user was able to prove, that sometime mailman just deletes the subject. Instead of original subject we have "[foo] (no subject)". My first reaction was to upgrade mailman. I did "cvs update" and behaviour changed - no mails come through from this user. I believe after many tests I knopw what is the issue but I do not want to dig into Python code. Hope, someone else can fix it. We are located in Estonia and our native language uses some unique characters ä and õ (in HTML terms). At some point Microsoft invented new charset "Windows-1257" while actually "ISO8859-15" covers our needs. Many kind of software tries to interpret charsets and gets confused on pretty usual characters because this "windows-1257". I have no power to make different people change their country settings. Only way is to make software act different when unknown charset appears. Mailman currently "eats" characters with unknown charsets and this is bad for us. Original mail subject line in raw data: Subject: =?windows-1257?Q?FW:_=E4=E4test_kustutage_=E4ra?= And this makes mailman to loose mail. With latest version it archives mail without subject and never sends it out to subscribers. No error messages sent to anyone indicating mail loss. In some point it saved this mail in "shunt" folder but mail lost without any tracks after "unshunt" command. Any fixes? ideas? I propose to include bytes from unknown charsets in redistributed mails. If this seems not possible, read "windows-1257" as ISO8859-15 and I think it will work for most cases. -- Tonu Samuel -- Tonu Samuel From josei at ctcorvera.com Tue Apr 29 12:44:28 2003 From: josei at ctcorvera.com (Debian User) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:44:28 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't see the archive Message-ID: <1051612802.1001.7.camel@debian.ctcorvera.com> when I try to see the archive listing I've go the error message: Permision denied to access the directory listing From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 13:57:34 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:57:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approving messages? Part 2 In-Reply-To: <37276A1954139B40BC5F5D15B0F87BCC0292EAA9@excp02.amcorp.com.au> References: <37276A1954139B40BC5F5D15B0F87BCC0292EAA9@excp02.amcorp.com.au> Message-ID: <1051617468.2137.4.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 01:27, Michael Mansour wrote: > Sorry, this is the reason Mailman gives: > > Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list > > But as mentioned, he is a member. > > Michael. > 1) make *sure* he is posting from that email address and not one of his many aliases - add his aliases to list but mark them as "no mail". Beware the subtle difference in user at domain.com and user at domain.net 2) do a check_db on the list 3) if all else fails: re-add the user (try to do it without deleting him first). You should never need to do this step, but it is simple enough to test. Good luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 14:00:42 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:00:42 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't see the archive In-Reply-To: <1051612802.1001.7.camel@debian.ctcorvera.com> References: <1051612802.1001.7.camel@debian.ctcorvera.com> Message-ID: <1051617665.2137.8.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 06:40, Debian User wrote: > when I try to see the archive listing I've go the error message: > > Permision denied to access the directory listing > 1) do you have archiving turned on for the list? 2) have you sent mail to the list ... and waited 24 hours for the archives to be created? 3) have you run ~mailman/bin/check_perms? 4) what do your entries in apache's configuration file look like? Jon Carnes From a.carter at cordis.lu Tue Apr 29 14:05:03 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:05:03 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives -cleaning out Message-ID: <200304291405.03017.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Our tests of our mailman list are coming to an end, and therefore we wish to empty the archives completely before going live. How do I do this? I've noticed the cleanarch program in $mailman/bin...is this the way to go? If so, how do I use it cause I am not sure... thanks, Anthony From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 14:14:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:14:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman forwardedmail is delayed from 45-hour? In-Reply-To: <20030429002515.M22935@enabled.com> References: <20030429002515.M22935@enabled.com> Message-ID: <1051618490.2152.19.camel@anncons> On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 20:29, admin2 wrote: > HI, > > mailman list mail is really delayed on my box at the moment > > a dual pentium > running FreeBSD 4.7 Stable > running send mail 8.12.9 > mailman version 2.1.1 > > I am seeing lots of hostmap failues in my sendmail queue. is there anyway to > increase the speed of delivery even though these host map errors could be > creating sluggishness. What else could I look at? > > ---- snip --- > > h3S0Ear7096737 509 Sun Apr 27 17:14 > (host map: lookup (telocity.com): deferred) > > > > ---- snip --- > > -- I suggest to you that your DNS is not working too well. You might want to run a locally caching DNS service on the mail server (something that I always recommend). Good Luck - Jon Carnes From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Apr 29 14:43:01 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:43:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman webfrontend under different url In-Reply-To: <200304282230.42563.proescho@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030426081806.03c2fd60@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030426081806.03c2fd60@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030428233441.03c671b8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Timo I have set up one of my systems to try and reproduce the problem you have been having. Working through a RewriteRule that proxies the request seems to have problems. I am looking at the source code of MM 2.1.2 to see how big a job it would be to fix the problems. I will get back to you as soon as I have reached some conclusions on this. Richard At 21:30 28/04/2003, proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de wrote: >Am Samstag, 26. April 2003 09:27 schrieb Richard Barrett: > > You should: > > > > 1. leave the definition for DEFAULT_URL as None as per the default in > > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. It is only there for backwards compatibility > > and its role has been taken over by DEFAULT_URL_HOST and > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN. > > > > 2. use the $prefix/bin/withlist script fix_url.py to set the web_page_url > > of your existing lists to use the value you have assigned in mm_cfg.py > > > > 3. do mailmanctl restart as a precaution > >i checked all this. > >DEFAULT_URL ist None (as it was before) >I created my new lists only after i made the changes to mm_cfg.py, >althoug i tried fix_paths as well. > >I still have the problem that the links do not point to the proper location. >Following one working link to the "Mailman Administrator Authentication" >of the mailman list, the problem can be seen very clear. > >Mailman list run by proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de (points to >maillists.test.my.domain) >Mailman administrative interface (requires authorization) (points to >tools.my.domain) >Overview of all maillists.test.rz.informatik.uni-muenchen.de mailing lists >(points to maillists.my.domain) > >The next thing i noticed is, that the cgi action form points to >/cgi-bin/mailman, althouth i configured /mailman/ in mm_cfg.py > > >any more ideas? > >many thanks >Timo PRoescholdt > > > > > And all should now be well. Newly created lists will pick up your > > DEFAULT_URL_HOST value. The problem you have is that existing lists are > > using the old value and fix_url.py should fix that. > > > > Post again if this does not work for you. > > > > At 22:53 25/04/2003, proescho at informatik.uni-muenchen.de wrote: > > >hi, > > > > > >im trying to run the webfrontend to mailman on a different server. > > >For this i set up apache mod_proxy on this server to fetch the > > >requiered pages from to "real" mailman server. > > > > > >The Problem ist that i cannot configure mailman to correctly change > > >the DEFAULT_URL_HOST. > > > > > >i configured > > > > > >DEFAULT_URL = 'http://tools.my.domain/mailman/' > > >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'maillists.test.my.domain' > > >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'tools.my.domain' > > >VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 > > > > > >in mm_cfg.py > > > > > >the rewrite module rewrites everything from > > >http://tools.my.domain/mailman/(.*) to > > >http://mailserver.my.domain/cgi-bin/mailman/$1 > > > > > > > > >the result, when i display the default mailman/admin page, is > > >that the "mailing list owerview ", and "create new list"-URLS point > > >to maillists.test.my.domain insted of tools.my.domain, > > >only the administrative link to the Mailman List (which i created) > > >points correctly to tools.my.domain. > > > > > >Also when i connect to the server directly > > >(http://mailserver.my.domain/cgi-bin/mailman/admin) the links are not set > > >correct. > > > > > >Why does mailman use the value of DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST for these links? > > > > > >Mailman version is 2.1.1 on debian woody. > > >The maillinglists shall appear unter mlists.test.my.domain > > > > > > > > >thanks > > >timo From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 15:00:16 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:00:16 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying In-Reply-To: <20030429072643.GA26293@meer.net> References: <20030429072643.GA26293@meer.net> Message-ID: <1051621241.2150.33.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 03:26, Kysh wrote: > When I run maimanctl start, qrunner only lasts about three seconds. > > Apr 29 00:21:05 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 26362, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] > Apr 29 00:21:05 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 26361, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] > > [snip] ... [snip] > > Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 26432, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] > Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 26438, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] > Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner ArchRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. > Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 26437, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] > Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner VirginRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. > Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit > (pid: 26436, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] > Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner NewsRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. > > I tried upping the maximum restart limit to an arbitrarily high number, but > qrunner just didn't really work at all. > > However, if I run /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner -r All, everything works great. > > (Except that after a while, it starts eating up more and more CPU time) > > I've checked all the easy stuff, and I'm stumped. I don't know python that well, > and this whole thing gives me a bit of a headache. :> > > Any thoughts? (reinstalling is DEFINIETLY not an option, with the number of > users and lists that I have!) > > -Kysh What version of python are you running (and what OS)? You've been upgrading and upgrading, I'm just curious to see if you've also kept up with the python. So a "ps aux" doesn't show any qrunners as running? What happens when you use the "-v" option on qrunner, do you get any helpful output (especially if you run them one at a time)? Is there anything useful in the log ~mailman/logs/qrunner Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 15:14:16 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:14:16 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives -cleaning out In-Reply-To: <200304291405.03017.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> References: <200304291405.03017.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <1051622054.2150.46.camel@anncons> The program "cleanarch" is not what you are looking for: cleanarch -h To wipe the archives delete the mbox for the list and then rerun arch with the "--wipe" option: su mailman rm ~mailman/archives/private// touch ~mailman/archives/private// ~mailman/bin/arch --wipe \ ~mailman/archives/private// Or you could simply delete all the files and let it start over: su mailman rm ~mailman/archives/private// rm -rf ~mailman/archives/private// The files will be regenerated within 24 hours of a new message going to the list. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 08:05, CARTER Anthony wrote: > Our tests of our mailman list are coming to an end, and therefore we wish to > empty the archives completely before going live. > > How do I do this? > > I've noticed the cleanarch program in $mailman/bin...is this the way to go? If > so, how do I use it cause I am not sure... > > thanks, > Anthony > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From clfa at lapdragon.org Tue Apr 29 17:22:29 2003 From: clfa at lapdragon.org (Kysh) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:22:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying In-Reply-To: <1051621241.2150.33.camel@anncons> References: <20030429072643.GA26293@meer.net> <1051621241.2150.33.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <20030429152229.GA31480@meer.net> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:00:42AM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 03:26, Kysh wrote: > > > When I run maimanctl start, qrunner only lasts about three seconds. > > > > (pid: 26436, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] > > Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner NewsRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. > > > > I tried upping the maximum restart limit to an arbitrarily high number, but > > qrunner just didn't really work at all. > > > > However, if I run /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner -r All, everything works great. > What version of python are you running (and what OS)? You've been > upgrading and upgrading, I'm just curious to see if you've also kept up > with the python. Python 2.2.2 (#4, Oct 15 2002, 04:21:28) I'm running Linux. > So a "ps aux" doesn't show any qrunners as running? It does for about three seconds until they all exit. > What happens when > you use the "-v" option on qrunner, do you get any helpful output > (especially if you run them one at a time)? No, nothing out of the ordinary. > Is there anything useful in the log ~mailman/logs/qrunner What I prepended above was /everything/ in that logfile from the invokation of mailmanctl start to the death of qrunner. Thanks for your time, btw. :> -Kysh -- .+------------------------------------------------------------+. | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying | | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr | | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang | | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ | | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham | | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ | `+------------------------------------------------------------+' From spamtrap at provocation.net Tue Apr 29 18:23:22 2003 From: spamtrap at provocation.net (Zenon Panoussis) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:23:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces and Courier Message-ID: <3EAEA6FA.4020207@provocation.net> In order to keep track of bounces, mailman (2.1) generates its mail with a customised return address for every user. This is what happens when there is a bounce: Mail: From: "Courier mail server at panther.provocation.net" <@> To: test-bounces+user=hotmail.com at bagheera.xs4all.nl Subject: NOTICE: mail delivery status. >>> RCPT TO: <<< 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable Mail logs: courierlocal: id=0007C787.3EAE4D79.00005398,from=<>,addr=: Unable to read .courier file. courierlocal: id=0007C787.3EAE4D79.00005398,from=<>,addr=,status: deferred LDAP logs: slapd[7324]: conn=3 op=331 SRCH base="dc=dot" scope=2 filter="(mail=test-bounces+user=hotmail.com at bagheera.xs4all.nl)" Thus, mailman expects this mail delivered to the (existing) user , but courier - logically - goes looking for user , who of course does not exist. I thought I'd get around this with a really dirty workaround, so I re-defined the mail attribute for the user test-bounce: mail: test-bounce* And no, that didn't help at all. Has anyone faced this before? Managed to solve it? Z From frivas at lanparty.cl Tue Apr 29 18:27:07 2003 From: frivas at lanparty.cl (Francisco Rivas) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:27:07 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding error? Message-ID: <1051633524.21743.101.camel@atlas.ifxnw.cl> Hi all, I have a mailman running on my mail server, with ~70 mailists. One of these lists stop receiving mails. When I send a mail to the list, I got this error on the logs: Apr 29 12:14:56 2003 (2483) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding Apr 29 12:14:56 2003 (2483) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in process payload = part.get_payload(decode=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in get_payload return Utils._bdecode(payload) File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in _bdecode value = base64.decodestring(s) File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py", line 44, in decodestring return binascii.a2b_base64(s) Error: Incorrect padding Is the only maillist that doesn't receipt any mail. Anyone have an idea of what's going on??? Thanks a lot!!!! Francisco Rivas C. From paul at thcwd.com Tue Apr 29 18:52:24 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:52:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approving messages? Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030429114735.02e624a8@mail.thcwd.com> Michael Mansour wrote: >Sorry, this is the reason Mailman gives: > > Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list > >But as mentioned, he is a member. Well, to ask the obvious, have you carefully compared the address subscribed and the address he is sending from? In some systems the incoming and outgoing addresses can be different (msn was this way for a while, if I recall correctly). Secondly, does 2.0.13 allow you to set non-members to be able to post? I should be an option when you go to deal with his "non-member" post. Try setting that to accept his posts. <>< Paul From frivas at lanparty.cl Tue Apr 29 18:55:20 2003 From: frivas at lanparty.cl (Francisco Rivas) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:55:20 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect padding error? In-Reply-To: <1051633524.21743.101.camel@atlas.ifxnw.cl> References: <1051633524.21743.101.camel@atlas.ifxnw.cl> Message-ID: <1051635219.21737.107.camel@atlas.ifxnw.cl> Sorry all, i've missed the info for the server: RH8, with Mailman 2.1.1 installed from source. On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 12:25, Francisco Rivas wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a mailman running on my mail server, with ~70 mailists. One of > these lists stop receiving mails. When I send a mail to the list, I got > this error on the logs: > > Apr 29 12:14:56 2003 (2483) Uncaught runner exception: Incorrect > padding > Apr 29 12:14:56 2003 (2483) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in > _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in > _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, > in _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, > in _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 82, in > process > send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 123, in > send_digests > send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 295, in > send_i18n_digests > msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py", line 252, in > process > payload = part.get_payload(decode=1) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py", line 189, in > get_payload > return Utils._bdecode(payload) > File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 75, in > _bdecode > value = base64.decodestring(s) > File "/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/base64.py", > line 44, in decodestring > return binascii.a2b_base64(s) > Error: Incorrect padding > > > Is the only maillist that doesn't receipt any mail. Anyone have an idea > of what's going on??? > > > Thanks a lot!!!! > > > Francisco Rivas C. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: frivas at lanparty.cl > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/frivas%40lanparty.cl From paul.williams at uwex.edu Tue Apr 29 19:05:39 2003 From: paul.williams at uwex.edu (Paul F. Williams) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:05:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to make a list act like a distribution list. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429115341.01de6e80@imap.uwex.edu> We are just starting to use mailman. What is the best way to set up a list so it acts as a "distribution" or "newsletter" mode? Then only the admin can post, add and delete subscribers. Is it done through the options What steps are required for subscription? confirm+approvals Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes Who can view subscription list? List Admin Only Restrict posting privilege to list members? Yes Or is there a better way? Thanks, paulw From webperson at now.org Tue Apr 29 19:29:57 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:29:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] database error message when upgraded to 2.1.2 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030429102949.00c96a60@now.org> I didn't get any error messages upgrading from 2.1.1 until I ran mailmanctl. Then I got: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. [mailman at www2 mailman-2.1.2]$ Warning: Database (2.5.12) != program (2.6.2) version. This is on Linux Red Hat (recent conversion from Solaris). Python 2.2. What needs to be done? What does it mean? Thanks. By the way, this page isn't being updated: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ From eagle at champlain.edu Tue Apr 29 22:41:16 2003 From: eagle at champlain.edu (Scott Eagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman port Message-ID: <010001c30e8f$ae82dd70$b205e9c0@bones3> The old Admin for our server left without documenting anything. I am curious what port I might look for to find mailman's GUI. He has left a username and password for the GUI and I figured it must be accessible from somewhere. Any ideas? Thanks, Scott Eagle From jwgrafflin at ev1.net Tue Apr 29 20:20:37 2003 From: jwgrafflin at ev1.net (John Grafflin) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:20:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosting Message-ID: <014e01c30e7c$08fc6c80$d5dd28d8@jwgmg> I signed up for LunarPages because it looked like a good host for my mailing list. This was my first exposure to Cpanel, and I'm not impressed. But I am impressed with Mailman. Can anyone recommend a host that uses Mailman, but does not use Cpanel? From cbauer at mco.edu Tue Apr 29 19:41:10 2003 From: cbauer at mco.edu (Chris Bauer) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:41:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] split into fewer recipients Message-ID: Hello all, I am trying to find a way to reduce the number of recipients in the messages that mailman sends out. The background info for this is we have an institutional wide list here with roughly 3000 subscribers. When messages are being sent out, our mail gateway is getting backed up processing these messages. Our gateway admin is of the opinion that if this was split up into more messages, more threads could be used (since each message inboud is supposed to be processed by a thread) and this would help with the problem. So, is there a way I can split this up into more messages with fewer recipients per message? If not through the mailman config, possibly through the sendmail config? Thanks in advance, -Chris From gaf at blu.org Tue Apr 29 20:34:43 2003 From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:34:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] split into fewer recipients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030429143443.6e280d94.gaf@blu.org> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:41:10 -0400 "Chris Bauer" wrote: > I am trying to find a way to reduce the number of recipients in the > messages that mailman sends out. The background info for this is we > have an institutional wide list here with roughly 3000 subscribers. > When messages are being sent out, our mail gateway is getting backed > up processing these messages. Our gateway admin is of the opinion that > if this was split up into more messages, more threads could be used > (since each message inboud is supposed to be processed by a thread) > and this would help with the problem. > > So, is there a way I can split this up into more messages with fewer > recipients per message? If not through the mailman config, possibly > through the sendmail config? My thoughts are that you will add more. Each message on the queue may have multiple addresses. If you split, then you will add to the number of messages on the queue that sendmail must process. I'm not sure of your traffic, but the BLU server has 29 listservs, and one of them has about 2000 members. One of our busiest has about 200 subscribers yielding about 150 messages a day. we use postfix as our MTA on Red Hat Linux 7.1. The platform is an older Compaq Proliant rack mount server running about 400Mhz. Yesterday my mail queue had over 300 messages waiting because two of our recipients on multiple lists had their host taken down and another two on another list had invalid addresses. Postfix seems to handle the queue a bit more effectively than sendmail. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20030429/ae4ceaaf/attachment.pgp From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 20:40:14 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:40:14 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to make a list act like a distribution list. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429115341.01de6e80@imap.uwex.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030429115341.01de6e80@imap.uwex.edu> Message-ID: <1051641645.2152.114.camel@anncons> Please look in the FAQ, it is detailed there and in the archives: Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 13:05, Paul F. Williams wrote: > We are just starting to use mailman. > > What is the best way to set up a list so it acts as > a "distribution" or "newsletter" mode? Then only the admin > can post, add and delete subscribers. > > Is it done through the options > > What steps are required for subscription? confirm+approvals > Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes > Who can view subscription list? List Admin Only > Restrict posting privilege to list members? Yes > > Or is there a better way? > > Thanks, > > paulw > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 20:46:38 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:46:38 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman port In-Reply-To: <010001c30e8f$ae82dd70$b205e9c0@bones3> References: <010001c30e8f$ae82dd70$b205e9c0@bones3> Message-ID: <1051642029.2137.118.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 16:41, Scott Eagle wrote: > The old Admin for our server left without documenting anything. I am > curious what port I might look for to find mailman's GUI. He has left a > username and password for the GUI and I figured it must be accessible from > somewhere. Any ideas? > > Thanks, Scott Eagle The server running Mailman has a web-server running on it as well. Type in the base address for the webserver and then tack on "/mailman/admin". Something like the following should work: http://cc-email.champlain.edu/mailman/admin This assumes that Mailman is running on the machine "cc-email.champlain.edu". Good Luck - Jon Carnes From nick at envirolink.org Tue Apr 29 21:13:37 2003 From: nick at envirolink.org (Nick) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:13:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email commands for list owners Message-ID: <20030429191337.GA24773@nuklear.localhost> Hi, we're preparing to migrate a bunch of lists from Listproc to Mailman. The owners of some lists want to be sure that they can still perform administrative tasks to their lists via email as can be done in Listproc. So far, I haven't found any evidence that list owner-specific commands exist. The "help" command gives the same response to list owners/admins that it does to regular subscribers. Are there any email commands for list owners? If so, where can I find them? Any response is greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Nick Systems Admin, The Envirolink Network From barry at python.org Tue Apr 29 21:19:53 2003 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:19:53 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Email commands for list owners In-Reply-To: <20030429191337.GA24773@nuklear.localhost> References: <20030429191337.GA24773@nuklear.localhost> Message-ID: <1051643961.7511.50.camel@barry> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 15:13, Nick wrote: > Hi, we're preparing to migrate a bunch of lists from Listproc to Mailman. > > The owners of some lists want to be sure that they can still perform > administrative tasks to their lists via email as can be done in Listproc. > > So far, I haven't found any evidence that list owner-specific commands exist. > The "help" command gives the same response to list owners/admins that it does > to regular subscribers. > > Are there any email commands for list owners? If so, where can I find them? There are some, but what exactly do you have in mind? In Mailman 2.1, commands live in Mailman/Command/cmd_*.py and new ones can easily be added. -Barry From adaml at jbase.com Tue Apr 29 22:22:10 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:22:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple lists, same message, avoid sending to same users on different lists Message-ID: I am going to be hosting a few discussion lists that may have members that are the same across the lists. Is there any mechanism that will allow me to send a message to a few or all of the lists and the members that are on multiple lists only receive one message regardless of the number of lists they are on. IE we don't want to be a Spammer :) Thanks, Adam From chall at rtpnet.org Tue Apr 29 23:37:04 2003 From: chall at rtpnet.org (Charles Hall) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML being stripped in postings Message-ID: Help! I've been unable to get HTML to pass through to any of my mailing lists. I've tried a zillion different settings, but the only luck I've had is when I turn "filter_content" off completely. That's not right is it? I've peeked and poked at MimeDel.py and it doesn't seem to be a matter of filter-types or anything. It seems to be something called "reset_payload", but I'm way out of my league by now. If anyone has this working, or has the same problem, I'd sure like to know. Oh, I know HTML gets scrubbed from the archive. I'm not talking about that. I mean the mailings themselves. Thanks, Charles Hall Raleigh, NC USA From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 22:59:35 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:59:35 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple lists, same message, avoid sending to same users on different lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051650004.2152.141.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 16:22, Adam Lipson wrote: > I am going to be hosting a few discussion lists that may have members that are the same across the lists. Is there any mechanism that will allow me to send a message to a few or all of the lists and the members that are on multiple lists only receive one message regardless of the number of lists they are on. IE we don't want to be a Spammer :) > > Thanks, > Adam > A simple way of doing this is to use one of the scripts in the FAQ and create a site-wide list that contains all users of all lists http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 23:10:14 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:10:14 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML being stripped in postings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051650643.2152.146.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 17:37, Charles Hall wrote: > Help! I've been unable to get HTML to pass through to any of my mailing > lists. I've tried a zillion different settings, but the only luck I've had > is when I turn "filter_content" off completely. That's not right is it? > > I've peeked and poked at MimeDel.py and it doesn't seem to be a matter of > filter-types or anything. It seems to be something called "reset_payload", > but I'm way out of my league by now. > > If anyone has this working, or has the same problem, I'd sure like to > know. > > Oh, I know HTML gets scrubbed from the archive. I'm not talking about > that. I mean the mailings themselves. > > Thanks, > > Charles Hall > Raleigh, NC > USA Assuming you are running Mailman version 2.1.x... that is stock (and not patched) If Mailman is doing the stripping (and not some other mail-add-on running on the server) then the controls for the list would be found in the web-admin under the "Content Filtering" category. Good luck - Jon Carnes Apex, NC (Hi Ya'll!) USA From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 23:22:04 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:22:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] split into fewer recipients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051651354.2152.158.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 13:41, Chris Bauer wrote: > Hello all, > > I am trying to find a way to reduce the number of recipients in the > messages that mailman sends out. The background info for this is we have > an institutional wide list here with roughly 3000 subscribers. When > messages are being sent out, our mail gateway is getting backed up > processing these messages. Our gateway admin is of the opinion that if > this was split up into more messages, more threads could be used (since > each message inboud is supposed to be processed by a thread) and this > would help with the problem. > > So, is there a way I can split this up into more messages with fewer > recipients per message? If not through the mailman config, possibly > through the sendmail config? > > Thanks in advance, > -Chris > Hmmm, I doubt that will help. Here is a message from the archives that talks about optimizing Sendmail and Mailman's interactions with Sendmail. This should help... ====== Message from archives ====== This is the one big problem with running a non-optimized MTA and is the reason I (and so many others) moved over to Postfix. Try setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 in the ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file === # Ceiling on the number of recipients that # can be specified in a single SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the # entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect # DELIVERY_MODULE. # SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 === I have advocated this setting for Sendmail folks for a long time now. Let us know if it works for you! Jon Carnes BTW, there is a timing section in your Sendmail.cf file. You can adjust the various time-outs used by Sendmail in this section (be sure to backup your sendmail.cf file first!). Before I moved my systems over to Postfix, I used to tweak these settings to get the maximum performance out of Sendmail. Here are some settings that might be of interest to you: O Timeout.iconnect=5m # It waits 5 minutes for the initial connect!!! # Definitely change this. Try something like 5 seconds # If it fails the initial connect it moves the host to # the end of queue, then users the more generic # "Timeout.connect" value. O Timeout.iconnect=5s O Timeout.helo=5m # It waits 5 minutes before giving up on a "helo"!!! # Even if the host is doing a DNS/RBL look up on you, # it shouldn't take 5 minutes (though the RFC calls # for 5 minutes here) O Timeout.mail=10m # It waits 10 minutes before giving up on passing off a email!!! # The RFC minimum is 5 minutes for this. I think even that is # too long Remember to stop and restart Sendmail if you make a change to /etc/sendmail.cf (or /etc/mail/sendmail.cf). Here is a web-page with more info on the Sendmail.cf file: http://www.trilug.org/~jonc/mailserver/PartIII.html I wrote this for a class I teach on setting up Mail-services for corporate or personal use. ====== End of archived message ====== Also, depending on your corporate network layout, you may wish to run your lists on a separate mail gateway - that is the way that I normally setup Mailing lists for corporations. HtH - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 23:32:12 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:32:12 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] database error message when upgraded to 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030429102949.00c96a60@now.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030429102949.00c96a60@now.org> Message-ID: <1051651955.2150.167.camel@anncons> On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 13:29, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > I didn't get any error messages upgrading from 2.1.1 until I ran > mailmanctl. Then I got: > Starting Mailman's master qrunner. > [mailman at www2 mailman-2.1.2]$ Warning: Database (2.5.12) != program (2.6.2) > version. > > This is on Linux Red Hat (recent conversion from Solaris). Python 2.2. > > What needs to be done? What does it mean? Thanks. > Did you copy all the files over from Solaris onto Red Hat Linux... Or install the same version of Mailman on Red Hat Linux and then copy over the ~mailman/lists/.. and ~mailman/archives/.. ? Could you describe more precisely how you did the "conversion". Also, what happens when you run a check_db on the existing lists? Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 29 23:57:42 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:57:42 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] database error message when upgraded to 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <1051651955.2150.167.camel@anncons> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030429102949.00c96a60@now.org> <1051651955.2150.167.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <1051653490.2137.188.camel@anncons> Thinking about it some more... Was Mailman running previously on this box and you just upgraded it? What version did you upgrade it from? Did you clear out all the queues before installing the upgrade? Just to be on the safe side, I would look in the following directories and backup & delete any older files: ~mailman/data ~mailman/locks ~mailman/qfiles/*/ Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 17:32, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 13:29, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > > I didn't get any error messages upgrading from 2.1.1 until I ran > > mailmanctl. Then I got: > > Starting Mailman's master qrunner. > > [mailman at www2 mailman-2.1.2]$ Warning: Database (2.5.12) != program (2.6.2) > > version. > > > > This is on Linux Red Hat (recent conversion from Solaris). Python 2.2. > > > > What needs to be done? What does it mean? Thanks. > > > > Did you copy all the files over from Solaris onto Red Hat Linux... Or > install the same version of Mailman on Red Hat Linux and then copy over > the ~mailman/lists/.. and ~mailman/archives/.. ? > > Could you describe more precisely how you did the "conversion". > > Also, what happens when you run a check_db on the existing lists? > > Jon Carnes > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From webperson at now.org Wed Apr 30 00:08:08 2003 From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:08:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] database error message when upgraded to 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <1051651955.2150.167.camel@anncons> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030429102949.00c96a60@now.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030429102949.00c96a60@now.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030429143534.00c717e0@now.org> At 05:32 PM 04/29/2003 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote: >On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 13:29, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > > I didn't get any error messages upgrading from 2.1.1 until I ran > > mailmanctl. Then I got: > > Starting Mailman's master qrunner. > > [mailman at www2 mailman-2.1.2]$ Warning: Database (2.5.12) != program > (2.6.2) > > version. > > > > This is on Linux Red Hat (recent conversion from Solaris). Python 2.2. > > > > What needs to be done? What does it mean? Thanks. > > > >Did you copy all the files over from Solaris onto Red Hat Linux... Or >install the same version of Mailman on Red Hat Linux and then copy over >the ~mailman/lists/.. and ~mailman/archives/.. ? I installed/compiled Python and Mailman (at the time 2.1.1) on the RH Linux and everything worked fine (although it's not in production yet). I copied the lists and archives over. Then on Sunday I upgraded from 2.1.1 to 2.1.2 and got the error message above. I didn't get any error messages previously, although it hadn't been rigorously tested. check_db [list] does not report anything. >Was Mailman running previously on this box and you just upgraded it? No, it wasn't. >What version did you upgrade it from? Did you clear out all the queues >before installing the upgrade? There weren't any queues, because so far this isn't a live server. Thanks for your help. >Just to be on the safe side, I would look in the following directories >and backup & delete any older files: >~mailman/data >~mailman/locks >~mailman/qfiles/*/ >Could you describe more precisely how you did the "conversion". > >Also, what happens when you run a check_db on the existing lists? > >Jon Carnes From cary.mader at eds.com Wed Apr 30 00:53:48 2003 From: cary.mader at eds.com (Mader, Cary J) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:53:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List adresses are not getting picked up. Message-ID: I'm setting up MailMan on a SuSE 8.2 distribution that was generally configured out of the box with a couple of minor tweaks after looking at the archives for this list. Postfix is sending/receiving mail correctly. The mailman cgi interface is working correctly, and I can successfully create a list. The list mail addresses are built correctly in the mailman/data/aliases file, but for some reason Postfix has yet to recognize the addresses. >From what I see, there is a folder named /etc/aliases.d that has symobolic links to the mailman/data/aliases files and it appears that perhaps Postfix is supposed to just magically pick that up, but I can't see any configuration files/parameters that would cause that to happen. It's also hard to find anything in the Postfix or the Mailman documentation that clearly defines how the mailman aliases.db file really gets picked up apart from the alias_maps parameter in the postfix main.cf file. I tried playing with that but it still did not appear to work. Any help would be appreciated. Cary Mader EDS Business Acceleration Services cary.mader at eds.com 602.395.8239 From nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org Wed Apr 30 01:54:19 2003 From: nivo+mailman-users at yuckfou.org (Nils Vogels) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:54:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway In-Reply-To: <1051501927.2144.56.camel@anncons> References: <20030425213416.GA55860@imhotep.yuckfou.org> <1051501927.2144.56.camel@anncons> Message-ID: <20030429235419.GS55860@imhotep.yuckfou.org> On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 11:52:10PM -0400, Jon Carnes (JC) wrote: JC> Mailman version 2.1.1 may have better performance (able to gate the JC> messages even while moderating the senders), but I haven't tested that JC> yet. JC> JC> I've set this up for a few companies using version 2.0.13. I used an JC> external news reader (like slrn) to read in the new articles, then JC> pumped the articles into Mailman using an approved header. I let JC> mailman pump new mail out to the news groups. While I am sure that this is working, I'd rather not use this ;) I am running MM2.1.1 (upgrade to 2.1.2 is pending) and basically, it all works, except that I need to find some way to tell mailman always to 1) Forward any post from USENET to the list 2) Forward posts from the list to USENET (and list members) if the poster is not modded, and is member of the list Currently I can make MM do step 1, but when I configure 2, MM also starts moderating all USENET posts, since all USENET people are not subscribed to the list. Obscuring the list access via email is not exactly whats wanted, since the box runs multiple USENET lists and other 'normal' announce lists, as well as some virtual domains, using Postfix as an MTA (in fully-automated mode with regards to aliases and virtusers) Any hints ? Gr, Nils. From admin at thelight.org.uk Wed Apr 30 02:26:34 2003 From: admin at thelight.org.uk (Simon Bell) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:26:34 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] redhat 9 Message-ID: <000001c30eaf$28641860$0407a8c0@STORM> Hi Does anyone know where i can find the manual for mailman which is for the rpm which comes with redhat 9? it doesnt appear to have been put in /usr/share/man/ anywhere. And if there isnt one, is it possible to use the readme files which come with the source installation for general setup? Its mailman 2.1-8 which appears to be installed. thanks Simon From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 30 02:49:54 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:49:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <000001c30eaf$28641860$0407a8c0@STORM> References: <000001c30eaf$28641860$0407a8c0@STORM> Message-ID: <20030430004954.GV2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon Bell wrote: > Does anyone know where i can find the manual for mailman which is for > the rpm which comes with redhat 9? it doesnt appear to have been put in > /usr/share/man/ anywhere. And if there isnt one, is it possible to use > the readme files which come with the source installation for general > setup? Its mailman 2.1-8 which appears to be installed. I don't believe there is a man page. You're correct that the README* files are what you want to check out for post installation setup. I haven't looked at the redhat 9 rpm, but they used to include a README.REDHAT file that covered the basic post install steps you need to take. Of course, reading all of the appropriate readme files is always helpful. They should be available in /usr/share/docs/mailman-2.1 so you don't have to get them out of the source tarball. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ If you can't change your mind, do you wonder if you still have one? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+rx2yuv+09NZUB1oRArIzAJ457CDQlEOrx3ZFLbqmA01nG8Xi8gCfVytQ t02E5lZqwHeGnSekeisH/zs= =0du/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stone at hkust.se Wed Apr 30 03:03:59 2003 From: stone at hkust.se (Magnus Stenman) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:03:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cascading Style Sheets -- Newbie question References: <18010250562.20030428103804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3EAF20FF.D25C5BB6@hkust.se> try this patch http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=687704&group_id=103&atid=300103 don't know if it works on/is included in 2.1.2 tho /magnus earthlink GHHalley wrote: > > Howdy All, > > Forgive me for asking what I bet is a simple question. My webdesigner > is clueless on how this forum works and I'm really busy doing other > work. > > Can we use CSS on our Mailman websites? > If so, how? (assuming general familiarity with Mailman and its setup) > And can we use different style sheets for different lists? > > THANKS in advance for your help. I promise not to ask any more > bone-headed questions. > > Peace, > George > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: stone at hkust.se > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/stone%40hkust.se From wes at greenfieldnetworks.com Wed Apr 30 03:30:04 2003 From: wes at greenfieldnetworks.com (Wesley T. Perdue) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:30:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail thread display problem with Eudora clients Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030429182001.025b5760@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com> Mailman users, I've just set up and completed initial testing of Mailman 2.1.2 on my Red Hat 7.1 server. I've noticed that when a message posted by a Eudora (5.2.1) for Windows client (running on Win2Ksp2) is replied to by a Eudora client, the thread display in the Pipermail archive is broken -- the reply is shown as a peer (same level, unindented) rather than a child (indented). I have not noticed this with Mozilla or elm clients; I haven't yet tried any other clients. I've searched the Mailman FAQ and this list's archives, and have found vaguely similar problems, without any offered solutions. Has anyone else seen this behavior? Are there any known workarounds or solutions, short of not using Eudora to post? Thanks and regards, Wes ---------- Wes Perdue IT Manager, Greenfield Networks From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 30 03:59:26 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:59:26 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] database error message when upgraded to 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030429143534.00c717e0@now.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030429102949.00c96a60@now.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030429102949.00c96a60@now.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20030429143534.00c717e0@now.org> Message-ID: <1051667987.2613.18.camel@anncons> Hmmm, we might be able to find out quickly exactly where the problem is if you run qrunner manually and use strace. First lets run it without using strace and see if that fails as expected: su mailman cd ~mailman bin/qrunner -ovr All Now lets do it with strace: strace bin/qrunner -ovr All This should generate a lot of output, but it should also barf right at the problem point. Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 18:08, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > At 05:32 PM 04/29/2003 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote: > > >On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 13:29, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > > > I didn't get any error messages upgrading from 2.1.1 until I ran > > > mailmanctl. Then I got: > > > Starting Mailman's master qrunner. > > > [mailman at www2 mailman-2.1.2]$ Warning: Database (2.5.12) != program > > (2.6.2) > > > version. > > > > > > This is on Linux Red Hat (recent conversion from Solaris). Python 2.2. > > > From paul at thcwd.com Wed Apr 30 04:35:45 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:35:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changes to archive pages Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030429202451.037c1468@mail.themarriagebed.com> I am trying to add to what comes up on all the archive pages. The template seems to be "article.html". I have tried copying and editing that file in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listname/en and editing the copy in templates (/usr/local/mailman/templates/en/article.html) - neither is resulting in change to old archive pages or to new posts. I also tried rebuilding the archives. Running 2.1.2. So ..... help? From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 30 04:37:37 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:37:37 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List adresses are not getting picked up. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051670285.2612.36.camel@anncons> Sorry, I haven't played with it on SuSE, but in general you modify postfix's main.cf file and add a secondary alias_map to that: alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases This assumes that Mailman is installed off of /usr/local/mailman When your run ~mailman/bin/genaliases (as user mailman) that creates the two files: ~mailman/data/aliases ~mailman/data/aliases.db You have to check the rights on these files to make sure they are correct. Once that is done, postfix should see any current or new aliases created by Mailman There is also a README.POSTFIX that comes with mailman - you can find a copy of it in the archives (and probably in the documentation on your system). HtH - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 18:53, Mader, Cary J wrote: > I'm setting up MailMan on a SuSE 8.2 distribution that was generally > configured out of the box with a couple of minor tweaks after looking at the > archives for this list. Postfix is sending/receiving mail correctly. The > mailman cgi interface is working correctly, and I can successfully create a > list. The list mail addresses are built correctly in the > mailman/data/aliases file, but for some reason Postfix has yet to recognize > the addresses. > > >From what I see, there is a folder named /etc/aliases.d that has symobolic > links to the mailman/data/aliases files and it appears that perhaps Postfix > is supposed to just magically pick that up, but I can't see any > configuration files/parameters that would cause that to happen. It's also > hard to find anything in the Postfix or the Mailman documentation that > clearly defines how the mailman aliases.db file really gets picked up apart > from the alias_maps parameter in the postfix main.cf file. I tried playing > with that but it still did not appear to work. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Cary Mader > EDS Business Acceleration Services > cary.mader at eds.com > 602.395.8239 > From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 30 04:54:53 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:54:53 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway In-Reply-To: <20030429235419.GS55860@imhotep.yuckfou.org> References: <20030425213416.GA55860@imhotep.yuckfou.org> <1051501927.2144.56.camel@anncons> <20030429235419.GS55860@imhotep.yuckfou.org> Message-ID: <1051671323.2610.40.camel@anncons> If you don't want to use a work-around like mine, then you are going to have to modify the source. The mods shouldn't be too bad on this... I think I would check for a header that indicated a gated News message and then allow that on moderated lists. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 19:54, Nils Vogels wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 11:52:10PM -0400, Jon Carnes (JC) wrote: > JC> Mailman version 2.1.1 may have better performance (able to gate the > JC> messages even while moderating the senders), but I haven't tested that > JC> yet. > JC> > JC> I've set this up for a few companies using version 2.0.13. I used an > JC> external news reader (like slrn) to read in the new articles, then > JC> pumped the articles into Mailman using an approved header. I let > JC> mailman pump new mail out to the news groups. > > While I am sure that this is working, I'd rather not use this ;) > > I am running MM2.1.1 (upgrade to 2.1.2 is pending) and basically, it all > works, except that I need to find some way to tell mailman always to > > 1) Forward any post from USENET to the list > 2) Forward posts from the list to USENET (and list members) if the poster is > not modded, and is member of the list > > Currently I can make MM do step 1, but when I configure 2, MM also starts > moderating all USENET posts, since all USENET people are not subscribed to the > list. > > Obscuring the list access via email is not exactly whats wanted, since the box > runs multiple USENET lists and other 'normal' announce lists, as well as some > virtual domains, using Postfix as an MTA (in fully-automated mode with regards > to aliases and virtusers) > > Any hints ? > > Gr, > > Nils. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 30 05:03:52 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:03:52 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail thread display problem with Eudora clients In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030429182001.025b5760@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030429182001.025b5760@mail.greenfieldnetworks-int.com> Message-ID: <1051671861.2612.47.camel@anncons> Threading depends on header information being maintained when a client responds to a message. If the client does not maintain that header info then there is very little that Mailman can do to help out. On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 21:30, Wesley T. Perdue wrote: > Mailman users, > > I've just set up and completed initial testing of Mailman 2.1.2 on my Red Hat 7.1 server. > > I've noticed that when a message posted by a Eudora (5.2.1) for Windows client (running on Win2Ksp2) is replied to by a Eudora client, the thread display in the Pipermail archive is broken -- the reply is shown as a peer (same level, unindented) rather than a child (indented). > > I have not noticed this with Mozilla or elm clients; I haven't yet tried any other clients. > > I've searched the Mailman FAQ and this list's archives, and have found vaguely similar problems, without any offered solutions. > > Has anyone else seen this behavior? Are there any known workarounds or solutions, short of not using Eudora to post? > > Thanks and regards, > Wes > > ---------- > Wes Perdue > IT Manager, Greenfield Networks > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 30 05:09:51 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:09:51 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <20030430004954.GV2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> References: <000001c30eaf$28641860$0407a8c0@STORM> <20030430004954.GV2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <1051672216.2612.52.camel@anncons> You can also query rpm for information about the installed package: rpm -qi mailman generates a summery of information about the installed rpm rpm -qc mailman generates a list of the known configuration files for the installed rpm rpm -qd mailman generates a list of the known documentation files for the installed mailman rpm You get the idea! On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 20:49, Todd wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Simon Bell wrote: > > Does anyone know where i can find the manual for mailman which is for > > the rpm which comes with redhat 9? it doesnt appear to have been put in > > /usr/share/man/ anywhere. And if there isnt one, is it possible to use > > the readme files which come with the source installation for general > > setup? Its mailman 2.1-8 which appears to be installed. > > I don't believe there is a man page. You're correct that the README* files > are what you want to check out for post installation setup. I haven't > looked at the redhat 9 rpm, but they used to include a README.REDHAT file > that covered the basic post install steps you need to take. Of course, > reading all of the appropriate readme files is always helpful. They should > be available in /usr/share/docs/mailman-2.1 so you don't have to get them > out of the source tarball. > > - -- > Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp > ============================================================================ > If you can't change your mind, do you wonder if you still have one? > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > > iD8DBQE+rx2yuv+09NZUB1oRArIzAJ457CDQlEOrx3ZFLbqmA01nG8Xi8gCfVytQ > t02E5lZqwHeGnSekeisH/zs= > =0du/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com Wed Apr 30 05:46:44 2003 From: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com (Dan Wright US2002021042) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:46:44 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changes to archive pages In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030429202451.037c1468@mail.themarriagebed.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030429202451.037c1468@mail.themarriagebed.com> Message-ID: <1051674365.2415.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> did you try wiping the old archives when rebuilding them? ~mailman/bin/arch --wipe listname On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 22:35, Paul H Byerly wrote: > I am trying to add to what comes up on all the archive pages. The > template seems to be "article.html". I have tried copying and editing that > file in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listname/en and editing the > copy in templates (/usr/local/mailman/templates/en/article.html) - neither > is resulting in change to old archive pages or to new posts. I also tried > rebuilding the archives. Running 2.1.2. > So ..... help? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/listmod%40camarilla.white-wolf.com -- --(Dan Wright)- -- ---- ----------------- --- -- - - -- ANTA: List and Forum Moderation -- AIM: rulesninja -- Email: listmod at camarilla.white-wolf.com -- Web: http://www.elysiumgrounds.com/~listmodmod -- Lists: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo --(US2002021042)-- ---- ------------------------------- --- -- - - From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 30 05:51:04 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:51:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changes to archive pages In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030429202451.037c1468@mail.themarriagebed.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030429202451.037c1468@mail.themarriagebed.com> Message-ID: <1051674693.2613.65.camel@anncons> The file you want to look at seems to be: ~mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 22:35, Paul H Byerly wrote: > I am trying to add to what comes up on all the archive pages. The > template seems to be "article.html". I have tried copying and editing that > file in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/listname/en and editing the > copy in templates (/usr/local/mailman/templates/en/article.html) - neither > is resulting in change to old archive pages or to new posts. I also tried > rebuilding the archives. Running 2.1.2. > So ..... help? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From eric.miller at padtinc.com Wed Apr 30 06:04:38 2003 From: eric.miller at padtinc.com (Eric Miller) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:04:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting hypermail to work with mailman Message-ID: Dear all, I'm trying to set up my list and have had good luck so far. Not satisfied with pipermail, I decided to try hypermail. But no matter what I do, it always runs pipermail and never hypermail. I'm stumped. My list is called xansys_test. My mm_cfg.py file has: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'hypermail -c /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER ='hypermail -c /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/archives/xansys_test' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/archives/xansys_test' ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1 No matter what value I set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX to, it always runs pipermail. I am guessing that I am missing the obvious command/option. Some things I've checked: 1: ran check_perms OK 2: cat'd an mbox into the above hypermail command OK 3: Tried every value of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX Any help is much appreciated. Thanks Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Miller Director, CAD & Software Services Phoenix Analysis & Design Technologies (480) 813-4884, x103 www.padtinc.com From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Wed Apr 30 12:18:54 2003 From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:18:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem Message-ID: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F7F@bramley.becta.org.uk> Hiya, I have recently installed mailman 2.1.2 with the relevent htdig patches and I still cannot get it to work. For a given list, the search box is displayed and the configuration file for the list is generated but the search funtionality doesn't work - I look in the error log and I find Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, existatus: 1 Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, cause: htsearch, detail: -12- On the archive page, it reports that the search index has yet to be built - do I need to run nightly_htdig for each list when it is created? Thanks, Tim. -- Timothy Arnold, Server & Network Infrastructure Support Officer, Internet Services, Becta, Coventry, CV4 7JJ, UK Voice: +44 24 7684 7169 email: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Fax: +44 24 7641 1418 ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 30 14:51:21 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:51:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem In-Reply-To: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F7F@bramley.becta.org .uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430133621.04c3be70@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 11:18 30/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: >Hiya, > >I have recently installed mailman 2.1.2 with the relevent htdig patches and >I still cannot get it to work. > >For a given list, the search box is displayed and the configuration file for >the list is generated but the search funtionality doesn't work - I look in >the error log and I find > >Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, existatus: 1 >Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, cause: htsearch, >detail: -12- > >On the archive page, it reports that the search index has yet to be built - >do I need to run nightly_htdig for each list when it is created? Until nightly_htdig is first run there will be no per-list htdig search indexes for htsearch to use. It is usually a good idea to send an initial message to a list which is being archived, which will cause htdig to be setup for the list (per-list htdig.conf created and search form added to the list's TOC page), and then run nightly_htdig from the command line (as the mailman uid) to generate an initial set of htdig indexes for the list. Just copy the command for running nightly_htdig in the modified mailman crontab generated by the htdig integration patch Bear in mind that, in common with most search engines, htdig does not search the web pages when a user submits a search query; rather some part of the search engine's suite of programs (rundig in the case of htdig) builds search indexes for the material and it is from these indexes that a user's search query is satisfied. That is also why the search form has the date/time indexing was last run for the list embedded in it with the caution that more recent archive material will not be found. btw: this issue is covered in the third paragraph under the heading "Operational Information" in INSTALL.htdig-mm. >Thanks, >Tim. > >-- >Timothy Arnold, Server & Network Infrastructure Support Officer, Internet >Services, >Becta, Coventry, CV4 7JJ, UK Voice: +44 24 7684 7169 >email: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Fax: +44 24 7641 1418 > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by >MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** From admin at thelight.org.uk Wed Apr 30 14:54:07 2003 From: admin at thelight.org.uk (Simon Bell) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:54:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <20030430004954.GV2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> Message-ID: <003f01c30f17$96614f50$0407a8c0@STORM> Heh, well I just searched the whole system for README.REDHAT and looking /usr/share/doc and there are no traces of those files. If I search the whole system for 'mailman' I only get the directory its been installed in (/var/mailman) and nothing else. Simon -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+admin=thelight.org.uk at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+admin=thelight.org.uk at python.org] On Behalf Of Todd Sent: 30 April 2003 01:50 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] redhat 9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon Bell wrote: > Does anyone know where i can find the manual for mailman which is for > the rpm which comes with redhat 9? it doesnt appear to have been put > in /usr/share/man/ anywhere. And if there isnt one, is it possible to > use the readme files which come with the source installation for > general setup? Its mailman 2.1-8 which appears to be installed. I don't believe there is a man page. You're correct that the README* files are what you want to check out for post installation setup. I haven't looked at the redhat 9 rpm, but they used to include a README.REDHAT file that covered the basic post install steps you need to take. Of course, reading all of the appropriate readme files is always helpful. They should be available in /usr/share/docs/mailman-2.1 so you don't have to get them out of the source tarball. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ======================================================================== ==== If you can't change your mind, do you wonder if you still have one? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+rx2yuv+09NZUB1oRArIzAJ457CDQlEOrx3ZFLbqmA01nG8Xi8gCfVytQ t02E5lZqwHeGnSekeisH/zs= =0du/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: admin at thelight.org.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/admin%40thelight.or g.uk From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Wed Apr 30 15:06:25 2003 From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:06:25 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem Message-ID: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F82@bramley.becta.org.uk> Hi Richard, Thanks for this. I followed the instructions detailed in Operational Information in the install notes and it now had created the indicies. However, mmsearch still fails when I try to conduct a search. Mmsearch reports: Htdgi Archives Access Failure Search failed -12- The messages that I reported last time are still being reported in the syslog. Any ideas what -12- means? Thanks, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] Sent: 30 April 2003 13:51 To: Timothy Arnold; mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem At 11:18 30/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: >Hiya, > >I have recently installed mailman 2.1.2 with the relevent htdig patches >and I still cannot get it to work. > >For a given list, the search box is displayed and the configuration >file for the list is generated but the search funtionality doesn't work >- I look in the error log and I find > >Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, existatus: 1 Apr >30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, cause: htsearch, >detail: -12- > >On the archive page, it reports that the search index has yet to be >built - do I need to run nightly_htdig for each list when it is >created? Until nightly_htdig is first run there will be no per-list htdig search indexes for htsearch to use. It is usually a good idea to send an initial message to a list which is being archived, which will cause htdig to be setup for the list (per-list htdig.conf created and search form added to the list's TOC page), and then run nightly_htdig from the command line (as the mailman uid) to generate an initial set of htdig indexes for the list. Just copy the command for running nightly_htdig in the modified mailman crontab generated by the htdig integration patch Bear in mind that, in common with most search engines, htdig does not search the web pages when a user submits a search query; rather some part of the search engine's suite of programs (rundig in the case of htdig) builds search indexes for the material and it is from these indexes that a user's search query is satisfied. That is also why the search form has the date/time indexing was last run for the list embedded in it with the caution that more recent archive material will not be found. btw: this issue is covered in the third paragraph under the heading "Operational Information" in INSTALL.htdig-mm. >Thanks, >Tim. > >-- >Timothy Arnold, Server & Network Infrastructure Support Officer, >Internet Services, >Becta, Coventry, CV4 7JJ, UK Voice: +44 24 7684 7169 >email: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Fax: +44 24 7641 1418 > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message >has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From neuwald at rudah.com.br Wed Apr 30 15:10:30 2003 From: neuwald at rudah.com.br (Felipe Neuwald) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:10:30 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman + FreeBSD 4.8-Stable Message-ID: <20030430130621.M25437@rudah.com.br> Hello Folks, I've installed Mailman via ports tree in a FreeBSD Box. Look what I did: cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman make make install Ok, after it, I try to run it, and look what I got: -su-2.05b# ./mailmanctl start Site list is missing: mailman Ok, let's try another way: -su-2.05b# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/./mailman.sh start Site list is missing: mailman Ok... What are wrong? Anyone knows? Let me show to you more info about my system: -su-2.05b# uname -a FreeBSD xxx.xxx.xxx 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #0: Wed Apr 23 10:51:56 BRT 2003 root at xxx.xxx.xxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL2 i386 --- Felipe Neuwald neuwald at rudah.com.br Rudah On-Line SysAdm From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 30 15:22:44 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com ('Todd') Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:22:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <003f01c30f17$96614f50$0407a8c0@STORM> References: <20030430004954.GV2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <003f01c30f17$96614f50$0407a8c0@STORM> Message-ID: <20030430132244.GG2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon Bell wrote: > Heh, well I just searched the whole system for README.REDHAT and looking > /usr/share/doc and there are no traces of those files. If I search the > whole system for 'mailman' I only get the directory its been installed > in (/var/mailman) and nothing else. Hmmm, I just looked at the redhat 9 mailman rpm and it does appear that they haven't included any documentation. They are really trying hard to make sure that they don't package a decent mailman rpm. If you're going to have to grab the source anyway, you may well want to just do a clean install from that so you don't get burned later by some other stupid oversight on the part of the rpm packagers. It will surely make it easier to get help from the list since we won't have to guess about what the redhat 9 rpm does to the install. Plus, many fixes have happened between 2.1 and the current 2.1.2. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ Choose in marriage only a woman whom you would choose as a friend if she were a man. -- Joubert -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+r84kuv+09NZUB1oRApibAJ478jPzCyKRvrv/u0AGSFvvsuJw7wCfZlj5 r/hwejdiEUa3z3n+QmqLa/w= =So1N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Wed Apr 30 15:26:51 2003 From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:26:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman + FreeBSD 4.8-Stable Message-ID: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F84@bramley.becta.org.uk> You need to create a mailing list called mailman using newlist in your bin directory Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Felipe Neuwald [mailto:neuwald at rudah.com.br] Sent: 30 April 2003 14:11 To: Lista de Discuss?o Mailman - users Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman + FreeBSD 4.8-Stable Hello Folks, I've installed Mailman via ports tree in a FreeBSD Box. Look what I did: cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman make make install Ok, after it, I try to run it, and look what I got: -su-2.05b# ./mailmanctl start Site list is missing: mailman Ok, let's try another way: -su-2.05b# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/./mailman.sh start Site list is missing: mailman Ok... What are wrong? Anyone knows? Let me show to you more info about my system: -su-2.05b# uname -a FreeBSD xxx.xxx.xxx 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #0: Wed Apr 23 10:51:56 BRT 2003 root at xxx.xxx.xxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL2 i386 --- Felipe Neuwald neuwald at rudah.com.br Rudah On-Line SysAdm ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/timothy.arnold%40becta. org.uk ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From chall at rtpnet.org Wed Apr 30 15:30:39 2003 From: chall at rtpnet.org (Charles Hall) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman + FreeBSD 4.8-Stable In-Reply-To: <20030430130621.M25437@rudah.com.br> Message-ID: You actually have to create a list called "site" before it will run. The install documentation mentions this, but in a very vague way. I had the same problem and was quite mystified for a while. Charles Hall Raleigh, NC On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Felipe Neuwald wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I've installed Mailman via ports tree in a FreeBSD Box. Look what I did: > cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman > make > make install > > Ok, after it, I try to run it, and look what I got: > > -su-2.05b# ./mailmanctl start > Site list is missing: mailman > > Ok, let's try another way: > > -su-2.05b# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/./mailman.sh start > Site list is missing: mailman > > Ok... What are wrong? Anyone knows? > > Let me show to you more info about my system: > > -su-2.05b# uname -a > FreeBSD xxx.xxx.xxx 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #0: Wed Apr 23 10:51:56 BRT > 2003 root at xxx.xxx.xxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL2 i386 > > --- > Felipe Neuwald > neuwald at rudah.com.br > Rudah On-Line SysAdm > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: chall at rtpnet.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/chall%40rtpnet.org > From neuwald at rudah.com.br Wed Apr 30 16:00:12 2003 From: neuwald at rudah.com.br (Felipe Neuwald) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:00:12 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] httpS Message-ID: <20030430135709.M48955@rudah.com.br> Hello again Folks, Now I have other problem. I only use HTTPS on my Apache that are running on my mail server. The targets of all links on Mailman appoint to one address that user HTTP, not HTTPS. The question is the "s" of the HTTP. Have a way that I can change the targets of the links automatically? Sincerly Thanks, --- Felipe Neuwald neuwald at rudah.com.br Rudah On-Line SysAdm From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 30 16:14:58 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:14:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] httpS In-Reply-To: <20030430135709.M48955@rudah.com.br> References: <20030430135709.M48955@rudah.com.br> Message-ID: <20030430141458.GH2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Felipe Neuwald wrote: > I only use HTTPS on my Apache that are running on my mail server. > The targets of all links on Mailman appoint to one address that user HTTP, not > HTTPS. The question is the "s" of the HTTP. > Have a way that I can change the targets of the links automatically? What do you have in mm_cfg.py for these variables? DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.example.com' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' It's likely that you just need to add the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and then use the fix_url.py script to correct any already created lists. Don't forget to restart mailmanctl after you change mm_cfg.py so that the qrunners will pick up the changes. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ What we seek is not the overthrow of the government, but a situation in which it gets lost in the shuffle. -- Duncan Frissell -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+r9piuv+09NZUB1oRAsbdAKDYMAk6R14KnxVqaKjOb6q1X8jclQCfbeYn yRRHK08kqCXVpXpfM5AYSEc= =uS+G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From khera at kcilink.com Wed Apr 30 16:21:19 2003 From: khera at kcilink.com (Vivek Khera) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:21:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman + FreeBSD 4.8-Stable In-Reply-To: <20030430130621.M25437@rudah.com.br> References: <20030430130621.M25437@rudah.com.br> Message-ID: <16047.56287.721826.484125@yertle.int.kciLink.com> >>>>> "FN" == Felipe Neuwald writes: FN> Hello Folks, FN> I've installed Mailman via ports tree in a FreeBSD Box. Look what I did: FN> cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman FN> make FN> make install FN> Ok, after it, I try to run it, and look what I got: The first thing you should have done is read and follow the directions the Mailman port displayed for you. From toby at breezing.com Wed Apr 30 16:26:45 2003 From: toby at breezing.com (Toby Reiter) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Xmail Message-ID: To all, I'd like to apologize upfront because I'm a completely newbie with this and will be presumably be asking a lot of questions over the next couple of days. Ok, so I'm trying to configure using MailMan with Xmail. I image that someone has done this before somewhere, so I would really prefer not to re-invent the wheel here. As much as possible, I'm going to try and limit the amount of Xmail specific issues I raise here, since this isn't the list for that. Issue #1: I'm trying to set up email to be directed to email (the way it normally would using aliases). I've pretty much figured out how this might work from the Xmail side. But I'm having trouble while invoking the wrapper. That is, I'm not getting any response, feedback, etc that something is working (i.e. no emails, no changes to the log files, nada). I guess one question might be: is /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman the proper way to invoke the wrapper? If not, what is? I know how one might do this for Sendmail, but not for Xmail. The command line I'm trying currently, which doesn't work, is: $ cat messagefile | /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman action list where messagefile is an email message, action is a specific action (i.e. subscribe) and list is a specific list. Issue #2: I know the big thing about mailman is that it has a great web interface, but we'd prefer for our users to use email commands, or a web interface that we would build (which would actually simply send email commands on to Mailman). We also would prefer not to run a web server on our mail server or create an NFS volume link on our currently Windows-based web server. Are there significant issues with not enabling the web aspects of Mailman? Is it possible to hide all references to the web interface from the administrative emails that are sent (i.e. subscriptions, unsubscriptions, etc). Ok, that's it for now. If people have experience with both 1 & 2 meaning that we shouldn't use Mailman, what suggestions do people have? From my research, Mailman seems to be the most robust open source (or even non-open source) mailing list solution. Thanks in advance for your help, Toby -- Toby Reiter mailto:toby at breezing.com Breezing Internet Communications http://www.breezing.com 1106 West Main St phone:434.295.2050 Charlottesville, VA 22903 fax:603.843.6931 From oracle at provocation.net Wed Apr 30 01:15:28 2003 From: oracle at provocation.net (Zenon Panoussis) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:15:28 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List adresses are not getting picked up. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EAF0790.40303@provocation.net> Mader, Cary J wrote: >>From what I see, there is a folder named /etc/aliases.d that has symobolic > links to the mailman/data/aliases files and it appears that perhaps Postfix > is supposed to just magically pick that up... You did postalias, didn't you? Z From oracle at provocation.net Wed Apr 30 01:40:11 2003 From: oracle at provocation.net (Zenon Panoussis) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:40:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [courier-users] Re: Mailman bounces and Courier In-Reply-To: References: <3EAEA6FA.4020207@provocation.net> Message-ID: <3EAF0D5B.2090607@provocation.net> Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Courier uses '-' as a delimiter for local address extensions, not '+'. > Reconfigure mailman to use a return address of > Thanks, that's a major step forward. But, how will courier ever know the difference between username-othername=domain at localdomain and user-nameothername=domain at localdomain ? Even if it loops from left to right and from right to left, there will always be room for ambiguity. Not that + as the delimiter would be foolproof either; I've got a list subscriber with a + in his email address. The whole idea of return addresses in this form seems wrong from the beginning. If the delimiter is a valid address character, there will always be a risk of ambiguity. If the delimiter is not a valid address character, the address cannot be used at all. I wish they had used messageID at domain or something like that as the sender addresss. Z From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Apr 28 07:56:20 2003 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:56:20 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.2 In-Reply-To: <1051464666.5933.126.camel@anthem> References: <1051464666.5933.126.camel@anthem> Message-ID: <20030428055620.GB24149@lazarus> > [Apologies for the empty dups -- been fiddling with my email client again. > ;} -BAW] In that case, *thrice* congrats and thanks for the new release. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "Whoever wrote [the Twisted documentation] uses a vivid and interesting style of prose which triggers pleasure." - Francois Pinard From eagle at io.champlain.edu Tue Apr 29 18:36:25 2003 From: eagle at io.champlain.edu (Scott Eagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:36:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman GUI? Message-ID: <008b01c30e6d$79d8c7a0$b205e9c0@bones3> Just curious how you get mailmans GUI up and running and if there is a standard mailman port, if I were to search for the GUI on an old Unix box running mailman? Thanks, Scott From eagle at io.champlain.edu Tue Apr 29 22:16:02 2003 From: eagle at io.champlain.edu (Scott Eagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:16:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman port Message-ID: <00e201c30e8c$27ddbf40$b205e9c0@bones3> The old Admin for our server left without documenting anything. I am curious what port I might look for to find mailman's GUI. He has left a username and password for the GUI and I figured it must be accessible from somewhere. Any ideas? Thanks, Scott Eagle From eric at xansys.org Tue Apr 29 19:56:02 2003 From: eric at xansys.org (Eric Miller) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:56:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hypermail in mailman not working Message-ID: <200304291756.h3THu2It011297@xansys.org> Dear all, I'm trying to set up my list and have had good luck so far. Not satisfied with pipermail, I decided to try hypermail. But no matter what I do, it always runs pipermail and never hypermail. I'm stumped. My list is called xansys_test. My mm_cfg.py file has: PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'hypermail -c /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER ='hypermail -c /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/archives/xansys_test' PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/archives/xansys_test' ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1 No matter what value I set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX to, it always runs pipermail. I am guessing that I am missing the obvious command/option. Some things I've checked: 1: ran check_perms OK 2: cat'd an mbox into the above hypermail command OK 3: Tried every value of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX Any help is much appreciated. Thanks Eric From Harish.Amin at deg.state.wi.us Tue Apr 29 23:09:57 2003 From: Harish.Amin at deg.state.wi.us (Amin, Harish) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:09:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting this when I try to use the gui interface Message-ID: <47F3EDACE4BC3A4594D0D7B504062BBD019C6C46@doamail04.doa.wistate.us> After creating a newlist and then got a e-mail when I click on the URL I get the below error page I am running Sendmail on Sun Solaris You can configure your mailing list at the following web page: http://bucky.state.wi.us/mailman/admin/mailman The web page for users of your mailing list is: http://bucky.state.wi.us/mailman/listinfo/mailman You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration page. However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this. There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators) of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a me Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main immediate=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in __init__ Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ self.__get_f() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f 1) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' _____ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 17 2003, 05:38:40) [GCC 3.2.2] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform sunos5 _____ Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_COOKIE SITESERVER=ID=802237d0905e7276b59d85659d2a52fb SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_jk/1.2.0 PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo SERVER_ADMIN lists at badger.state.wi.us SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at bucky.state.wi.us Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET HTTP_HOST bucky.state.wi.us PATH_INFO /mailman SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING TZ US/Central Harish Amin (Unix/DNS/Apache/Inktomi Support) Department of Electronic Government visit us at http://www.wisconsin.gov/ Voice (608) 261 - 6595 Fax (608) 261 - 0618 From tomasz at rescomp.berkeley.edu Wed Apr 30 11:41:52 2003 From: tomasz at rescomp.berkeley.edu (Tomasz Finc) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has browser issues Message-ID: After upgrading to mailman 2.1, I noticed that I am not longer able to approve posts with almost all browsers minus opera 6.1(linux). Whenever i try to approve a held post the page reloads with all of the same content. Opera 6.1(linux) on the other hand asks me if I want to post data to the web page .. which i do and it works fine. funny enough opera 7.1(win) doest not work. The same change and no actual change happening happens when i try to add new users to a mailing list. the following do not work: opera7.1(win) ie6.0(win) mozilla-1.4(linux) The system is redhat6.2 2.2.5 running apache-1.3.27 with mod-ssl --tomasz From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 30 16:31:07 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:31:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem In-Reply-To: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F82@bramley.becta.org .uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430141835.04929c68@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 14:06 30/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: >Hi Richard, > >Thanks for this. I followed the instructions detailed in Operational >Information in the install notes and it now had created the indicies. >However, mmsearch still fails when I try to conduct a search. First thing to check is the $prefix/archives/private//htdig directory If it looks something like this then nightly_htdig's execution of rundig worked approximately as planned: mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/archives/private/rbtest2/htdig> ls db.docdb db.wordlist rbtest2.conf db.docs.index db.words.db rundig_last_run The db.* files are generated by the htdig programs called by rundig. If these are missing then something went wrong with rundig's execution. The rundig_last_run file is a zero length file whose modification time is set by nightly_htdig. the .conf is the per list htdig conf file. There should also by a symlink to .conf in the directory $prefix/archives/htdig/ You didn't say whether the list's TOC page has an index updated date/time in it after running nightly_htdig. If nightly_htdig worked correctly the date/time group on the list TOC page should match the modification time on rundig_last_run for the list. If the TOC page hasn't been updated then rundig did not run cleanly and an error should have been printed out by nightly_htdig. Things you can try: 1. try running nightly_htdig from the command line with the -v (verbose) option. This should print out the name of each list and whether or not it is running rundig. If it says it is skipping a list because of no recent posts this is because the modification time of a list's rundig_last_run is after the last recorded post to the list. 2. you can "force" nightly_htdig to run for a list by deleting the list's $prefix/archives/private//htdig/rundig_last_run file. Is anything unexpected being output when you run nightly_htdig with the -v option? If you are sure you have everything configured correctly then we can try and explore how mmsearch is running htsearch by proceeding as follows: 1. create a small test script, putting it anywhere convenient and making sure that the user/group your web server runs as can access and execute the script: test.py -------------------------------------- #! /usr/local/bin/python # make sure the line above has the correct path for you python installation import cgi cgi.test() end of test.py ------------------------------- 2. in your mm_cfg file, temporarily substitute the path to this test.py script as the value of HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH 3. do a search from the search form for a list which you believe has all its indexes etc. You should get back a web page telling you about the environment that test.py found itself in when it was run by mmsearch; the purpose is to veryify that htsearch will find itself in the correct environment when it is run. Some things of interest are near top of the web page returned. For example, I get the following on my test system; the MiniFieldStorage tells me the names and values of the query; the config field should contain the name of the list being searched and the words field should contain what you entered in the search form. The CONFIG_DIR value should point to $prefix/archives/htdig/. extract for page retuned by test.py---------------------- Command Line Arguments: ['/usr/local/httpd/cgi-bin/test.py'] Form Contents: config: MiniFieldStorage('config', 'rbtest2') format: MiniFieldStorage('format', 'short') method: MiniFieldStorage('method', 'and') sort: MiniFieldStorage('sort', 'score') words: MiniFieldStorage('words', 'htdig search for words) Shell Environment: CONFIG_DIR /mailman/run/archives/htdig end extract for page returned by test.py------------------ If that gives the expected results then mmsearch is doing the right thing but htsearch is failing for some reason I've not yet seen. . The exit status being returned by htsearch is the one shown in MM's $prefix/logs/error entry written when the failure occurs. What value are you seeing? What version of htdig are you using? The htdig integration patches are tested using htdig 3.1.6 stable, not the 3.2 beta, although there is no particular reason that 3.2 should not work but some pople have reported problems, which are not MM specific. Try the above and get back to me. >Mmsearch reports: > >Htdgi Archives Access Failure > >Search failed -12- > >The messages that I reported last time are still being reported in the >syslog. Any ideas what -12- means? The mmsearch can fail for a number of reason, which are numbered 1, 2 ... Error 12 is when execution of htsearch fails. If things are working as planned users should not see these cryptic diagnostics. They just tie the failure, definitively, to a point in the mmsearch source code. >Thanks, >Tim. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] >Sent: 30 April 2003 13:51 >To: Timothy Arnold; mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem > > >At 11:18 30/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: > >Hiya, > > > >I have recently installed mailman 2.1.2 with the relevent htdig patches > >and I still cannot get it to work. > > > >For a given list, the search box is displayed and the configuration > >file for the list is generated but the search funtionality doesn't work > >- I look in the error log and I find > > > >Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, existatus: 1 Apr > >30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, cause: htsearch, > >detail: -12- > > > >On the archive page, it reports that the search index has yet to be > >built - do I need to run nightly_htdig for each list when it is > >created? > >Until nightly_htdig is first run there will be no per-list htdig search >indexes for htsearch to use. It is usually a good idea to send an initial >message to a list which is being archived, which will cause htdig to be >setup for the list (per-list htdig.conf created and search form added to >the list's TOC page), and then run nightly_htdig from the command line (as >the mailman uid) to generate an initial set of htdig indexes for the list. > >Just copy the command for running nightly_htdig in the modified mailman >crontab generated by the htdig integration patch > >Bear in mind that, in common with most search engines, htdig does not >search the web pages when a user submits a search query; rather some part >of the search engine's suite of programs (rundig in the case of htdig) >builds search indexes for the material and it is from these indexes that a >user's search query is satisfied. That is also why the search form has the >date/time indexing was last run for the list embedded in it with the >caution that more recent archive material will not be found. > >btw: this issue is covered in the third paragraph under the heading >"Operational Information" in INSTALL.htdig-mm. > > >Thanks, > >Tim. > > > >-- > >Timothy Arnold, Server & Network Infrastructure Support Officer, > >Internet Services, > >Becta, Coventry, CV4 7JJ, UK Voice: +44 24 7684 7169 > >email: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Fax: +44 24 7641 1418 > > > > > >********************************************************************** > >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > >the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message > >has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > >www.mimesweeper.com > >********************************************************************** > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by >MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** From skenyon at wisc.edu Tue Apr 29 18:03:13 2003 From: skenyon at wisc.edu (Sevie Kenyon) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:03:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-newsletter Message-ID: <002701c30e68$d656db70$b62d5c90@Sputnik> Greetings, I'm new to MailMan and want to know if I can configure it for "distribution" only? In other words, I only want to send to the list and I don't care for the community aspect at this time. Kindest regards, Sevie Sevie Kenyon, Extension Outreach Specialist, Milk Quality and Safety Department of Dairy Science, University of Wisconsin 1675 Observatory Drive Madison, WI 53706-1284 Toll Free: 866.867.6455 | skenyon at wisc.edu | www.uwex.edu/milkquality From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 30 16:47:35 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:47:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem In-Reply-To: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F82@bramley.becta.org .uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430154122.048969d0@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 14:06 30/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: >Hi Richard, > >Thanks for this. I followed the instructions detailed in Operational >Information in the install notes and it now had created the indicies. >However, mmsearch still fails when I try to conduct a search. > >Mmsearch reports: > >Htdgi Archives Access Failure > >Search failed -12- > >The messages that I reported last time are still being reported in the >syslog. Any ideas what -12- means? Further to my earlier suggestions, you can try running htsearch from the command line and seeing how it responds. Try the following command: -c $prefix/archives/htdig/.conf answer the prompt for words with some words to seach for answer the format as short What happens? If all is well you should get back a HTTP response Content-type header of text/html, followed by a bunch of HTML, this being the search results. In total, if my earlier suggestion of the test script returns the correct results, and running htsearch from the command line returns the correct results, then you should not have a problem. Let us hope we do not end up with that contradiction to deal with. >Thanks, >Tim. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] >Sent: 30 April 2003 13:51 >To: Timothy Arnold; mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem > > >At 11:18 30/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: > >Hiya, > > > >I have recently installed mailman 2.1.2 with the relevent htdig patches > >and I still cannot get it to work. > > > >For a given list, the search box is displayed and the configuration > >file for the list is generated but the search funtionality doesn't work > >- I look in the error log and I find > > > >Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, existatus: 1 Apr > >30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, cause: htsearch, > >detail: -12- > > > >On the archive page, it reports that the search index has yet to be > >built - do I need to run nightly_htdig for each list when it is > >created? > >Until nightly_htdig is first run there will be no per-list htdig search >indexes for htsearch to use. It is usually a good idea to send an initial >message to a list which is being archived, which will cause htdig to be >setup for the list (per-list htdig.conf created and search form added to >the list's TOC page), and then run nightly_htdig from the command line (as >the mailman uid) to generate an initial set of htdig indexes for the list. > >Just copy the command for running nightly_htdig in the modified mailman >crontab generated by the htdig integration patch > >Bear in mind that, in common with most search engines, htdig does not >search the web pages when a user submits a search query; rather some part >of the search engine's suite of programs (rundig in the case of htdig) >builds search indexes for the material and it is from these indexes that a >user's search query is satisfied. That is also why the search form has the >date/time indexing was last run for the list embedded in it with the >caution that more recent archive material will not be found. > >btw: this issue is covered in the third paragraph under the heading >"Operational Information" in INSTALL.htdig-mm. > > >Thanks, > >Tim. > > > >-- > >Timothy Arnold, Server & Network Infrastructure Support Officer, > >Internet Services, > >Becta, Coventry, CV4 7JJ, UK Voice: +44 24 7684 7169 > >email: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Fax: +44 24 7641 1418 > > > > > >********************************************************************** > >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > >the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message > >has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > >www.mimesweeper.com > >********************************************************************** > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by >MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 30 16:57:42 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] httpS In-Reply-To: <20030430143159.M99547@rudah.com.br> References: <20030430135709.M48955@rudah.com.br> <20030430141458.GH2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> <20030430143159.M99547@rudah.com.br> Message-ID: <20030430145742.GI2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Felipe, Please direct replies to the list. Felipe Neuwald wrote: > Ok, I added the follow line to my mm_cfg.py: > > DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/' > > And when I run fix_url.py, look what I got: > > -su-2.05b# ./fix_url.py > Reset a list's web_page_url attribute to the default setting. > > This script is intended to be run as a bin/withlist script, i.e. > > % bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname [options] [...] > Ok, what I have to do? fix_url.py -u https:/%s/mailman/ ? Firstly, you need to run the script via the withlist command as specified in the help. You should be able to run it like so: bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname and it should pick up the new settings. I know I've done this a few times, though it's been a while so hopefully I'm not skipping anything important. - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ There are two kinds of light - the glow that illuminates, and the glare that obscures. -- James Thurber -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+r+Rmuv+09NZUB1oRArqUAKCxHLomkTw/mDn/9LYehaFWl6cZXgCgxZ3i 4vU1kzjPU1NCx2lNlvDnXg8= =fEZX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From a.carter at cordis.lu Wed Apr 30 16:57:57 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:57:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi Message-ID: <200304301657.57835.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> we just changed our archives from public into private, but now we can't browse into the archives... This may be normal, or may not...Can you confirm what changine from public to private does, and what am I suppose to get now under /pipermail/mailinglistname? And if not here, which path is it to the new one! Anthony From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Wed Apr 30 16:56:11 2003 From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:56:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem Message-ID: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F8A@bramley.becta.org.uk> Hi Richard, I would really like to thank you for spending time helping me with my problem. I appreciate it!. >mailman at mailman2:/mailman/run/archives/private/rbtest2/htdig> ls >db.docdb db.wordlist rbtest2.conf >db.docs.index db.words.db rundig_last_run I can confirm that nightly_htdig returns OK and I see the same output as above. The file modification time is the same that is reported on the index page for the list. I am pretty confident that everything is working with the nightly_htdig script. >1. create a small test script, putting it anywhere convenient and making >sure that the user/group your web server runs as can access and execute the >script: >2. in your mm_cfg file, temporarily substitute the path to this test.py >script as the value of HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH >3. do a search from the search form for a list which you believe has all >its indexes etc. You should get back a web page telling you about the >environment that test.py found itself in when it was run by mmsearch; the >purpose is to veryify that htsearch will find itself in the correct >environment when it is run. Some things of interest are near top of the web >page returned. For example, I get the following on my test system; the >MiniFieldStorage tells me the names and values of the query; the config >field should contain the name of the list being searched and the words >field should contain what you entered in the search form. The CONFIG_DIR >value should point to $prefix/archives/htdig/. The webpage returns fine - config_dir returns what I expected. The exit status value is 1. >What version of htdig are you using? The htdig integration patches are >tested using htdig 3.1.6 stable, not the 3.2 beta, although there is no >particular reason that 3.2 should not work but some pople have reported >problems, which are not MM specific. I am running mailman 2.1.2 and htdig 3.1.6 Thanks very much for all your help. Timothy. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From a.carter at cordis.lu Wed Apr 30 17:08:23 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:08:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman port In-Reply-To: <00e201c30e8c$27ddbf40$b205e9c0@bones3> References: <00e201c30e8c$27ddbf40$b205e9c0@bones3> Message-ID: <200304301708.23672.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> look in the webservers configuration file...you should find the alias for /mailman/ and /pipermail/ from that you will find the installation... the normal would be: http://www.xxx.com/mailman/listinfo - gives info on lists and a link to admin sections if not, it is: http://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/listname Anthony On Tuesday 29 April 2003 22:16, Scott Eagle wrote: > The old Admin for our server left without documenting anything. I am > curious what port I might look for to find mailman's GUI. He has left a > username and password for the GUI and I figured it must be accessible from > somewhere. Any ideas? > > Thanks, Scott Eagle > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Wed Apr 30 17:14:32 2003 From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:14:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem Message-ID: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F8C@bramley.becta.org.uk> Hi Richard, I have found the source of the problem. Htsearch! It worked for me because I had set my environmental variables for LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the correct location but when I tried it as nobody, surprise surprise it didn't work. I have altered the system environmental variables and all is working. I am very sorry for wasting your time. Regards, Timothy. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] Sent: 30 April 2003 15:48 To: Timothy Arnold Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem At 14:06 30/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: >Hi Richard, > >Thanks for this. I followed the instructions detailed in Operational >Information in the install notes and it now had created the indicies. >However, mmsearch still fails when I try to conduct a search. > >Mmsearch reports: > >Htdgi Archives Access Failure > >Search failed -12- > >The messages that I reported last time are still being reported in the >syslog. Any ideas what -12- means? Further to my earlier suggestions, you can try running htsearch from the command line and seeing how it responds. Try the following command: -c $prefix/archives/htdig/.conf answer the prompt for words with some words to seach for answer the format as short What happens? If all is well you should get back a HTTP response Content-type header of text/html, followed by a bunch of HTML, this being the search results. In total, if my earlier suggestion of the test script returns the correct results, and running htsearch from the command line returns the correct results, then you should not have a problem. Let us hope we do not end up with that contradiction to deal with. >Thanks, >Tim. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk] >Sent: 30 April 2003 13:51 >To: Timothy Arnold; mailman-users at python.org >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig problem > > >At 11:18 30/04/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote: > >Hiya, > > > >I have recently installed mailman 2.1.2 with the relevent htdig > >patches and I still cannot get it to work. > > > >For a given list, the search box is displayed and the configuration > >file for the list is generated but the search funtionality doesn't > >work > >- I look in the error log and I find > > > >Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, existatus: 1 > >Apr 30 10:56:39 2003 (12488) htsearch for list: test5, cause: > >htsearch, > >detail: -12- > > > >On the archive page, it reports that the search index has yet to be > >built - do I need to run nightly_htdig for each list when it is > >created? > >Until nightly_htdig is first run there will be no per-list htdig search >indexes for htsearch to use. It is usually a good idea to send an >initial message to a list which is being archived, which will cause >htdig to be setup for the list (per-list htdig.conf created and search >form added to the list's TOC page), and then run nightly_htdig from the >command line (as the mailman uid) to generate an initial set of htdig >indexes for the list. > >Just copy the command for running nightly_htdig in the modified mailman >crontab generated by the htdig integration patch > >Bear in mind that, in common with most search engines, htdig does not >search the web pages when a user submits a search query; rather some >part of the search engine's suite of programs (rundig in the case of >htdig) builds search indexes for the material and it is from these >indexes that a user's search query is satisfied. That is also why the >search form has the date/time indexing was last run for the list >embedded in it with the caution that more recent archive material will >not be found. > >btw: this issue is covered in the third paragraph under the heading >"Operational Information" in INSTALL.htdig-mm. > > >Thanks, > >Tim. > > > >-- > >Timothy Arnold, Server & Network Infrastructure Support Officer, > >Internet Services, > >Becta, Coventry, CV4 7JJ, UK Voice: +44 24 7684 7169 > >email: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Fax: +44 24 7641 1418 > > > > > >********************************************************************* > >* > >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > >the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message > >has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > >www.mimesweeper.com > >********************************************************************** > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message >has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 30 17:26:34 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:26:34 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Xmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051714910.2149.18.camel@anncons> On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 10:26, Toby Reiter wrote: > Issue #1: > I'm trying to set up email to be directed to email (the way it > normally would using aliases). I've pretty much figured out how this > might work from the Xmail side. But I'm having trouble while invoking > the wrapper. That is, I'm not getting any response, feedback, etc > that something is working (i.e. no emails, no changes to the log > files, nada). I guess one question might be: is > /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman the proper way to invoke the wrapper? > If not, what is? I know how one might do this for Sendmail, but not > for Xmail. > > The command line I'm trying currently, which doesn't work, is: > > $ cat messagefile | /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman action list before doing this make sure you have su'ed as the user that xmail runs as. Also if you want Mailman to respond, make sure that you have mailmanctl running I just tested it on a system running Mailman version 2.1.1 and postfix, su'ed as the user "mailman". It worked just fine. > > where messagefile is an email message, action is a specific action > (i.e. subscribe) and list is a specific list. > #1 is definitely an xmail issue. Here is a typical aliases section for a Mailman list called test3: # STANZA START: test3 # CREATED: Fri Apr 11 16:19:46 2003 test3: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test3" test3-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test3" test3-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test3" test3-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test3" test3-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test3" test3-leave: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test3" test3-owner: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test3" test3-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request test3" test3-subscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test3" test3-unsubscribe: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test3" # STANZA END: test3 Note: > Issue #2: > I know the big thing about mailman is that it has a great web > interface, but we'd prefer for our users to use email commands, or a > web interface that we would build (which would actually simply send > email commands on to Mailman). We also would prefer not to run a web > server on our mail server or create an NFS volume link on our > currently Windows-based web server. Are there significant issues with > not enabling the web aspects of Mailman? Is it possible to hide all > references to the web interface from the administrative emails that > are sent (i.e. subscriptions, unsubscriptions, etc). > You will need/want to run the web-admin tool. If you are worried about it from a security stand point, then just run the web-interface locally or only allow specified ip's to access port 80. Good Luck, and let us know what you needed to do to get Mailman running with Xmail. Jon Carnes From david at midrange.com Wed Apr 30 17:08:16 2003 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:08:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman GUI? References: <008b01c30e6d$79d8c7a0$b205e9c0@bones3> Message-ID: "Scott Eagle" wrote in message news:008b01c30e6d$79d8c7a0$b205e9c0 at bones3... > Just curious how you get mailmans GUI up and running and if there is a > standard mailman port, if I were to search for the GUI on an old Unix box > running mailman? Mailman doesn't have a gui ... it has a web interface though. Check your web server configuration for a vhost (or similar) that points to the mailman directory. david From toby at breezing.com Wed Apr 30 17:28:48 2003 From: toby at breezing.com (Toby Reiter) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:28:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription/Unsubscription confirmation In-Reply-To: <200304301708.23672.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> References: <00e201c30e8c$27ddbf40$b205e9c0@bones3> <200304301708.23672.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: To all, I understand there are specific reasons for having confirmation when users subscribe and unsubscribe, but is it possible to disable this (without mucking with source code)? Also, is there a way to have complete control over the content of messages that get sent to users after they change their options? Thanks in advance, Toby -- Toby Reiter mailto:toby at breezing.com Breezing Internet Communications http://www.breezing.com 1106 West Main St phone:434.295.2050 Charlottesville, VA 22903 fax:603.843.6931 From a.carter at cordis.lu Wed Apr 30 17:33:49 2003 From: a.carter at cordis.lu (CARTER Anthony) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:33:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] private vs. public archives (was hi) Message-ID: <200304301733.49976.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> just reposting with a decent header...:) message below... Anthony ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi Date: Wednesday 30 April 2003 16:57 From: CARTER Anthony To: mailman-users at python.org we just changed our archives from public into private, but now we can't browse into the archives... This may be normal, or may not...Can you confirm what changine from public to private does, and what am I suppose to get now under /pipermail/mailinglistname? And if not here, which path is it to the new one! Anthony ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: a.carter at cordis.lu Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/a.carter%40cordis.lu ------------------------------------------------------- From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 30 17:39:07 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:39:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi In-Reply-To: <200304301657.57835.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430163145.00a04540@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 15:57 30/04/2003, CARTER Anthony wrote: >we just changed our archives from public into private, but now we can't >browse >into the archives... > >This may be normal, or may not...Can you confirm what changine from public to >private does, and what am I suppose to get now under >/pipermail/mailinglistname? > >And if not here, which path is it to the new one! > >Anthony If you go to the the /mailman/listinfo page for the list you will find the link to the list's archives; now being a private archive, the URI will be of the form /mailman/private/. Private archive contents are delivered by one of Mailman's CGI scripts, called private.py, which is what enforces the list archives privacy. In practice a public archive is just a private arhcive which has a link to it in $prefix/archive/public/. This latter directory is the one that has the /pipermail/ alias pointing to it in your web server's httpd.conf. The actual archives are always in $prefix/archives/private/ From jonc at nc.rr.com Wed Apr 30 17:43:17 2003 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:43:17 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has browser issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1051717430.2149.25.camel@anncons> Delete the cookies from your non-working browsers and then try again. The older format for storing cookies is not compatible with the current format - that could be your problem. On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 05:41, Tomasz Finc wrote: > After upgrading to mailman 2.1, I noticed that I am not longer able to > approve posts with almost all > browsers minus opera 6.1(linux). Whenever i try to approve a held post > the page reloads with all of the same content. Opera 6.1(linux) on the > other hand asks me if I want to post data to the web page .. which i do > and it works fine. funny enough opera 7.1(win) doest not work. The same change > and no actual change happening happens when i try to add new users to > a mailing list. > > the following do not work: > > opera7.1(win) > ie6.0(win) > mozilla-1.4(linux) > > The system is redhat6.2 2.2.5 running apache-1.3.27 with mod-ssl > > --tomasz > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com From timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Wed Apr 30 18:27:24 2003 From: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk (Timothy Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:27:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration from Majordomo to Mailman Message-ID: <6837F6E3E43DD611A2F200508B55D8B602281F93@bramley.becta.org.uk> Hey all, I have seen the light! Now that I have searching working, we have decided to migrate from majordomo to mailman. I am sure that someone must have done this on a large scale before so I am looking for some tips on moving across. There are two distinct areas that we need to migrate: - Users subscriptions (kept in listname.list) - Archives (mbox format) I know that Mailman can do mass subscriptions so I guess that would be the best way forward? Or can someone recommend another way? Is there any way of preserving the way majordomo handles subscriptions via email? We would like to have a similar interface. Now for the archives - I have tried the arch command with success. Is there a location that I can drop the existing mbox files and allow the archives to be created? If there is anything I have overlooked or might be of interest please feel free to email me. Tim. -- Timothy Arnold, Server & Network Infrastructure Support Officer, Internet Services, Becta, Coventry, CV4 7JJ, UK Voice: +44 24 7684 7169 email: timothy.arnold at becta.org.uk Fax: +44 24 7641 1418 ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From per at computer.org Wed Apr 30 18:14:53 2003 From: per at computer.org (Per Jessen) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:14:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to use SSI in mailman generated HTML Message-ID: Hi, I had a look around for clues on how to get Apache to parse the mailman HTML for server side includes, and didn't find any hints, only this question: > Apr 12 2002, Ernesto Gluecksmann asked: >My question relates to Server Side Includes. My websites use these >heavily, and I want to know what's the appropriate way of referencing >these header and footer pages, so my mailman list information has the same >look & feel as the rest of the websites. I guess I could have been looking for the wrong thing, or maybe it's just so plain obvious that no-one bothered mentioning it, but just in case someone is still looking: SetOutputFilter INCLUDES Assuming - obviously - that you installed mailman in /usr/local/ and less obviously that you're using Apache 2.0. /Per best regards, Per Jessen, per at computer.org http://timian.jessen.ch - an analog report-formatter using XSLT From mckemie at access4less.net Wed Apr 30 18:41:18 2003 From: mckemie at access4less.net (Willie McKemie) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:41:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription/Unsubscription confirmation In-Reply-To: ; from toby@breezing.com on Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 11:28:48AM -0400 References: <00e201c30e8c$27ddbf40$b205e9c0@bones3> <200304301708.23672.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Message-ID: <20030430114118.I21817@deb22r2-48.mckemie.org> > To all, > I understand there are specific reasons for having confirmation when > users subscribe and unsubscribe, but is it possible to disable this > (without mucking with source code)? > > Also, is there a way to have complete control over the content of > messages that get sent to users after they change their options? I asked this same question here about a week ago. No response. The FAQ tells us no. I asked how to make it more convenient for my subscribers to get off the lists. My subscribers do subscribe without password pain via email to the request address; I have set up mailto:s on a web page to facilitate it. However, the subscribers never know that they HAVE a password and understandably become confused when they find a password is necessary to unsubscribe. -- Willie, ashamed that dixie chicks are from Austin Are YOU an html abuser? http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Linux system uptime 158 days 17 hours 48 minutes From paul at thcwd.com Wed Apr 30 18:56:28 2003 From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:56:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changes to archive pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030430104007.037b8460@mail.thcwd.com> Dan Wright wrote: >did you try wiping the old archives when rebuilding them? Bingo! When I did that the changes I made to /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/article.html showed up on all of the archived posts. HOWEVER, when I send a new post the changes are NOT there! How does that work? Jon Carnes said: >The file you want to look at seems to be: > ~mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py I did see a reference to article.html' there, but the code was over my head. I saw this comment at the top of HyperArch.py: TODO: - Should be able to force all HTML to be regenerated next time the archive is run, in case a template is changed. I thought this indicates that template changes are not incorporated. So I thought the template was being written into the code of HyperArch.py when the list was created - but I created a new list and the changes to the template did not show on posts to that list's archives. I am at a loss as to when, where and how the template is incorporated. Perhaps there is a better way of doing what I want? I'd like to be able to insert html into every archive post view - preferably on a list by list basis. Any suggestions on how to do that will be greatly appreciated! <>< Paul From adaml at jbase.com Wed Apr 30 19:31:12 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:31:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install guide Message-ID: I feel a bit sheepish asking this questions, but here goes nothing. Just yesterday I threw out by accident my install guide for mailman. It was a great step by step guide for getting it running and then configured with Apache. Does anyone have a good link for me? I just searched the FAQs and did not find it (perhaps it ought to be posted there http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index). Thanks, Adam From marilyn at deliberate.com Wed Apr 30 19:46:41 2003 From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting hypermail to work with mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric, Are you doing "mailmanctl restart" with each change you make? You need ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 My PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL starts with "http:// " Do you have a closing ' on: > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'hypermail -c > /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc and are you checking the logs? Good luck. Marilyn On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Eric Miller wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm trying to set up my list and have had good luck so far. > Not satisfied with pipermail, I decided to try hypermail. > But no matter what I do, it always runs pipermail and never > hypermail. I'm stumped. > > My list is called xansys_test. > > My mm_cfg.py file has: > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'hypermail -c > /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER ='hypermail -c > /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/archives/xansys_test' > PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/archives/xansys_test' > ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1 > > No matter what value I set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX to, it always runs pipermail. > > I am guessing that I am missing the obvious command/option. > > Some things I've checked: > > 1: ran check_perms OK > 2: cat'd an mbox into the above hypermail command OK > 3: Tried every value of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX > > Any help is much appreciated. > > Thanks > > Eric > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Eric Miller > Director, CAD & > Software Services > Phoenix Analysis & > Design Technologies > (480) 813-4884, x103 > www.padtinc.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: marilyn at deliberate.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com > From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Wed Apr 30 19:43:32 2003 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:43:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changes to archive pages In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030430104007.037b8460@mail.thcwd.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430184006.00abc0e0@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk> At 17:56 30/04/2003, Paul H Byerly wrote: >Dan Wright wrote: >>did you try wiping the old archives when rebuilding them? > > Bingo! When I did that the changes I made to > /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/article.html showed up on all of the > archived posts. HOWEVER, when I send a new post the changes are NOT > there! How does that work? > >Jon Carnes said: >>The file you want to look at seems to be: >> ~mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py > > I did see a reference to article.html' there, but the code was over > my head. I saw this comment at the top of HyperArch.py: > > TODO: > - Should be able to force all HTML to be regenerated next time the > archive is run, in case a template is changed. > > I thought this indicates that template changes are not > incorporated. So I thought the template was being written into the code > of HyperArch.py when the list was created - but I created a new list and > the changes to the template did not show on posts to that list's archives. > > I am at a loss as to when, where and how the template is incorporated. > > Perhaps there is a better way of doing what I want? I'd like to be > able to insert html into every archive post view - preferably on a list > by list basis. Any suggestions on how to do that will be greatly appreciated! > ><> Message-ID: You want to look at the bottom of an error message. It says: > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' So you have a permission problem with that file. Did you remember to run check_perms when you installed? Good luck. Marilyn Davis On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Amin, Harish wrote: > > After creating a newlist and then got a e-mail > > > > when I click on the URL I get the below error page > > I am running Sendmail on Sun Solaris > > You can configure your mailing list at the following web page: > > http://bucky.state.wi.us/mailman/admin/mailman > > The web page for users of your mailing list is: > > http://bucky.state.wi.us/mailman/listinfo/mailman > > You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration > > page. However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this. > > There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators) > > of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a me > > > > > > > Bug in Mailman version 2.1.1 > > > > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > > > Traceback: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main > > immediate=1) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in > __init__ > > Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 49, in __init__ > > self.__get_f() > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 67, in __get_f > > 1) > > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/codecs.py", line 496, in open > > file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) > > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > Python information: > > > > Variable Value > sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 17 2003, 05:38:40) [GCC 3.2.2] > sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python > sys.prefix /usr/local > sys.exec_prefix /usr/local > sys.path /usr/local > sys.platform sunos5 > > > _____ > > > Environment variables: > > > > Variable Value > HTTP_COOKIE SITESERVER=ID=802237d0905e7276b59d85659d2a52fb > SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_jk/1.2.0 > PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman > SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo > SERVER_ADMIN lists at badger.state.wi.us > SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo > SERVER_SIGNATURE > Apache/1.3.27 Server at bucky.state.wi.us Port 80 > REQUEST_METHOD GET > HTTP_HOST bucky.state.wi.us > PATH_INFO /mailman > SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 > QUERY_STRING > TZ US/Central > > Harish Amin (Unix/DNS/Apache/Inktomi Support) > Department of Electronic Government > visit us at http://www.wisconsin.gov/ > Voice (608) 261 - 6595 > Fax (608) 261 - 0618 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: marilyn at deliberate.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.com > From adaml at jbase.com Wed Apr 30 20:04:45 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:04:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install guide Message-ID: Well I found the doc I used before. I was just not using enough keywords in my search. If anyone wants it I found this doc invaluable. http://www.linux-sxs.org/internet_serving/mailman.html HTH, Adam -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 1:31 PM To: Paul H Byerly; mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] install guide I feel a bit sheepish asking this questions, but here goes nothing. Just yesterday I threw out by accident my install guide for mailman. It was a great step by step guide for getting it running and then configured with Apache. Does anyone have a good link for me? I just searched the FAQs and did not find it (perhaps it ought to be posted there http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index). Thanks, Adam ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: adaml at jbase.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adaml%40jbase.com From JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com Wed Apr 30 20:16:14 2003 From: JAS at GoColumbiaMO.com (Jeff Schoby) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-newsletter Message-ID: Yes, there is a way to do this. When you create your list, go to the admin page for the list Click on Privacy Options -> Sender Filters Set this option to Yes: By default, should new list member postings be moderated? This will turn on the moderated bit for any new subscriber. Anyone who has their moderated bit on cannot post to the list. Click on Submit Your Changes at the bottom of the screen. Click on Membership Management. If you already have subscribers on this list go down and set the "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible" option to "On" and hit the Set button. This will turn every current subscriber's moderated bit on. Then go search for which ever user(s) you wish to be able to send messages to the list and uncheck their Mod check box (turns their mod bit off) and Submit Your Changes! ------------------------------------------ Jeff Schoby - Unix Admin City of Columbia, Missouri jas at ci.columbia.mo.us 573.874.6320 From wheakory at isu.edu Wed Apr 30 20:20:45 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:20:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] public and private archives problem Message-ID: <3EB013FD.7090506@isu.edu> I'm getting this below error when an user tries to open up there archives. I've run check_perms and all the permissions are correct. When I change the archive options on this list to public I get this below error when I change it back to private I can view the threaded archives fine, is there a solution to this. I've tested this with my other lists and it does the same thing. There most be something that I've got configured wrong that a list can't be setup to view the archives in the (public) setting. ACCESS DENIED ! You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster ERROR 403 mm.isu.edu Wed Apr 30 11:47:13 2003 Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From wheakory at isu.edu Wed Apr 30 20:26:51 2003 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:26:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] public and private archives problem References: <3EB013FD.7090506@isu.edu> Message-ID: <3EB0156B.4020204@isu.edu> Never Miind I fixed the problem. Kory Wheatley wrote: > I'm getting this below error when an user tries to open up there > archives. I've run check_perms and all the permissions are correct. > When I change the archive options on this list to public I get this > below error when I change it back to private I can view the threaded > archives fine, is there a solution to this. I've tested this with my > other lists and it does the same thing. There most be something that > I've got configured wrong that a list can't be setup to view the > archives in the (public) setting. > > > ACCESS DENIED ! > > You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There > is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. > > If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster > > ERROR 403 > > mm.isu.edu > Wed Apr 30 11:47:13 2003 > Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) > > -- Kory Wheatley Academic Computing Analyst Sr. Phone 282-3874 ######################################### Everything must point to him. From guallar at easternrad.com Wed Apr 30 20:48:32 2003 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:48:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [resend] Could not acquire qrunner lock Message-ID: <200304301448.32518.guallar@easternrad.com> Hi, I send this email about a week ago. Does anyone know anything about this problem? ------------ We use mailman at work to manage a few lists (16) with an average of 10 users/list. The mail server is a Red Hat Linux 7.3 server, on a P-III-550/1,354,424KB with SCSI drives using ext3 filesystem. We run Postfix version 1.1.7-2 + Mailman version 2.0.13 + Python 1.5.2-43.73. We have a total of 75 mail users. The messages are text-based, i.e., usualy pretty small. Postfix works pretty fast. But mailman is slow. Mails to mailing lists take about 6 minutes. Individual mails are about instantaneous: Received: from ************ by by ********* (Postfix) with ESMTP id *******; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: sysadmin at easternrad.com Received: from ****** by ******** (Postfix) with SMTP id ********* for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Although the smtp log says that it only takes a few seconds: (...) Apr 23 07:12:02 2003 (28717) smtp for 6 recips, completed in 1.588 seconds Apr 23 10:56:10 2003 (30680) smtp for 31 recips, completed in 7.995 seconds Apr 23 12:54:23 2003 (31998) smtp for 5 recips, completed in 2.410 seconds (...) I've checked mailman logs and I've found this error, over and over again, at qrunner log file: (...) Apr 22 23:53:01 2003 (25973) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:54:00 2003 (25979) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:55:02 2003 (25994) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:56:03 2003 (26028) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:57:01 2003 (26035) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:58:01 2003 (26043) Could not acquire qrunner lock Apr 22 23:59:01 2003 (26045) Could not acquire qrunner lock (...) I've searched the mailman users archives, and the only symilar error was Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock The problem there was solved because there were a set of files showing up in the log file, that had to be deleted to improve performance (/home/mailman/qfiles/001b6903fc7ad5bdcdfa930711200d5a1306e7af* ) Unfortunately, no filenames show up in my logs. Also, permissions and DB both look OK: # ./check_perms No problems found ]# ./check_db all /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db is fine /home/mailman/lists/all/config.db.last is fine # (changed from last time) *Right now* , qrunner **is** running. And I **do** see qrunner lock files at /home/mailman/locks . And python is eating all my CPU (from top) PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 15616 mailman 20 0 350M 350M 1580 S 98.0 10.0 18:33 python Any ideas? Regards, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 30 20:59:20 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:59:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] public and private archives problem In-Reply-To: <3EB013FD.7090506@isu.edu> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430195252.03e4cf68@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 19:20 30/04/2003, Kory Wheatley wrote: >I'm getting this below error when an user tries to open up there >archives. I've run check_perms and all the permissions are correct. >When I change the archive options on this list to public I get this below >error when I change it back to private I can view the threaded archives >fine, is there a solution to this. I've tested this with my other lists >and it does the same thing. There most be something that I've got >configured wrong that a list can't be setup to view the archives in the >(public) setting. > > >ACCESS DENIED ! > > You don't have permission to access the requested directory. There >is either no index document or the directory is read-protected. > >If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster > >ERROR 403 > > mm.isu.edu > Wed Apr 30 11:47:13 2003 > Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) > One thing you could check is in your httpd.conf. In order to reach a list's archives via the public archive Alias, typically /pipermail/, requires that the directory that /pipermail/ resolves to has the FollowSymLinks option enabled. In a lot of stock Apache installation the document root has a very restrictive set of Options, often no allowing FollowSymLinks. Your target directory may be inheriting those. btw: you shouldn't really cross-post to both mailman-users and mailman-developers >-- >Kory Wheatley >Academic Computing Analyst Sr. >Phone 282-3874 >######################################### >Everything must point to him. From adaml at jbase.com Wed Apr 30 21:43:51 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:43:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py Message-ID: I have edited my mm_cfg.py file as instructions said to put my hostname into the default email/url host. When I run a command such as newlist I get the follow error: mailman at jbt mailman]$ bin/newlist adam2 Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 74, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' this is my entire mm_cfg.py file: ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Any ideas? the hostname defined in /etc/hosts is different then the one in mm_cfg.py but this should not cause this error should it? Thanks, Adam From clfa at lapdragon.org Wed Apr 30 21:45:39 2003 From: clfa at lapdragon.org (Kysh) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:45:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying Message-ID: <20030430194539.GA22040@meer.net> As nobody here seems able to answer my question, is there another list on which I should post my query? Perhaps a dev list? -Kysh -- .+------------------------------------------------------------+. | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying | | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr | | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang | | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ | | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham | | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ | `+------------------------------------------------------------+' From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Wed Apr 30 21:39:16 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:39:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D15B@STJOSEPHMAIL> Add http:// to the front of your hostname :) --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson [mailto:adaml at jbase.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:44 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py I have edited my mm_cfg.py file as instructions said to put my hostname into the default email/url host. When I run a command such as newlist I get the follow error: mailman at jbt mailman]$ bin/newlist adam2 Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 74, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' this is my entire mm_cfg.py file: ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Any ideas? the hostname defined in /etc/hosts is different then the one in mm_cfg.py but this should not cause this error should it? Thanks, Adam ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep h.mo.us From adaml at jbase.com Wed Apr 30 21:47:52 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:47:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py Message-ID: nope did not work :( It then goes on to complain that email_host_name is incorrect File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' -----Original Message----- From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us [mailto:jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:39 PM To: Adam Lipson Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py Add http:// to the front of your hostname :) --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson [ mailto:adaml at jbase.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:44 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py I have edited my mm_cfg.py file as instructions said to put my hostname into the default email/url host. When I run a command such as newlist I get the follow error: mailman at jbt mailman]$ bin/newlist adam2 Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 74, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' this is my entire mm_cfg.py file: ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Any ideas? the hostname defined in /etc/hosts is different then the one in mm_cfg.py but this should not cause this error should it? Thanks, Adam ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-joseph.mo.us From jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Wed Apr 30 21:43:58 2003 From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us (jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:43:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py Message-ID: <9C32AD01CE49D711A2380008C7FA8A1724D15C@STJOSEPHMAIL> That was supposed to go to DEFAULT_URL_HOST Sorry i wasn't more specific... --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson [mailto:adaml at jbase.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:48 PM To: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py nope did not work :( It then goes on to complain that email_host_name is incorrect File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' -----Original Message----- From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us [mailto:jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:39 PM To: Adam Lipson Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py Add http:// to the front of your hostname :) --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson [ mailto:adaml at jbase.com ] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:44 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py I have edited my mm_cfg.py file as instructions said to put my hostname into the default email/url host. When I run a command such as newlist I get the follow error: mailman at jbt mailman]$ bin/newlist adam2 Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 74, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' this is my entire mm_cfg.py file: ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Any ideas? the hostname defined in /etc/hosts is different then the one in mm_cfg.py but this should not cause this error should it? Thanks, Adam ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-josep h.mo.us From adaml at jbase.com Wed Apr 30 21:53:19 2003 From: adaml at jbase.com (Adam Lipson) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:53:19 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py Message-ID: nope I understood it just fine thanks. I did add that to the DEFAILT_URL_HOST and then the next error came up. Do I have to just run configure again or something like that if this file is edited? I don't know if it is extraneous info, but the web interface does not work so I was thinking it perhaps is related or just another problem? (I think I'm just jinxed) :) Adam -----Original Message----- From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us [mailto:jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:44 PM To: Adam Lipson Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py That was supposed to go to DEFAULT_URL_HOST Sorry i wasn't more specific... --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson [mailto:adaml at jbase.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:48 PM To: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py nope did not work :( It then goes on to complain that email_host_name is incorrect File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' -----Original Message----- From: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us [mailto:jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:39 PM To: Adam Lipson Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py Add http:// to the front of your hostname :) --- Joe Brouhard, MCP, A+ Computer Support Technician City of St Joseph jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us http://www.ci.st-joseph.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: Adam Lipson [ mailto:adaml at jbase.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:44 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py I have edited my mm_cfg.py file as instructions said to put my hostname into the default email/url host. When I run a command such as newlist I get the follow error: mailman at jbt mailman]$ bin/newlist adam2 Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/newlist", line 74, in ? from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' this is my entire mm_cfg.py file: ################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Any ideas? the hostname defined in /etc/hosts is different then the one in mm_cfg.py but this should not cause this error should it? Thanks, Adam ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: jbrouhard at ci.st-joseph.mo.us Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jbrouhard%40ci.st-joseph.mo.us From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 30 22:09:48 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:09:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mm_cfg.py In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430210129.00ab5cc0@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 20:43 30/04/2003, Adam Lipson wrote: >I have edited my mm_cfg.py file as instructions said to put my hostname >into the default email/url host. When I run a command such as newlist I >get the follow error: > >mailman at jbt mailman]$ bin/newlist adam2 >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "bin/newlist", line 74, in ? > from Mailman import mm_cfg > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 47 > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' > >this is my entire mm_cfg.py file: > >################################################## ># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line. >IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' If the assignment on these three following lines have leading white space then you have a syntax error. mm_cfg.py is Python source code and indentation (leading white space) is syntactically significant in Python, unlike Perl, C, C++ and many other languages. Remove leading white space will probably fix the problem. > DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' > DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listserver.jbase.com' > add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) > >Any ideas? the hostname defined in /etc/hosts is different then the one >in mm_cfg.py but this should not cause this error should it? Incidentally, as you are redefining the default hosts you probably want to precede the call to add_virtualhost with the following statement: VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() This will clear out the old values from assignment and add_virtualhost calls in Defaults.py >Thanks, >Adam From tigote at attbi.com Wed Apr 30 22:19:17 2003 From: tigote at attbi.com (Melissa Oringer) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:19:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (take 2) Complete List of Mailman fields? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030430131839.01faa7d8@localhost> Hello, I'm an admin for several lists using Mailman v2.0.13. I've searched the FAQ on the list.org website as well as the documentation and the archives of this list, but have been unable to find a complete list Mailman fields available when customizing the HTML display. At present, I want to display the text defined in the "info" field. Anyone know how to call it? Cheers, -M _____________________________ Melissa Oringer http://www.tigote.com * http://www.bbzzz.com * http://www.jewitchery.com From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 30 22:36:09 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:36:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying In-Reply-To: <20030429072643.GA26293@meer.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430212548.03efc2d8@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 08:26 29/04/2003, Kysh wrote: >Ok, I'll try to keep this as short as possible. (I have skimmed the >archives, I >have dug around for months on the internet trying to find a reference. I have >asked on the IRC channel, all to no avail) > >I've been running mailman for years and years now. I've been upgrading along >the way, and am currently running 2.1.1-5. > >Sometime back in December (May have been around the time of an upgrade, can't >remember), my qrunner took a vacation. I didn't notice for a few days until >dozens of users started emailing me frantically. > >I've upgraded quite a few times since then, but since then: > >When I run maimanctl start, qrunner only lasts about three seconds. > >Apr 29 00:21:05 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit >(pid: 26362, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] >Apr 29 00:21:05 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit >(pid: 26361, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] > >[snip] ... [snip] > >Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit >(pid: 26432, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] >Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit >(pid: 26438, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] >Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner ArchRunner reached maximum restart >limit of 10, not restarting. >Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit >(pid: 26437, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] >Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner VirginRunner reached maximum restart >limit of 10, not restarting. >Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit >(pid: 26436, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] >Apr 29 00:21:08 2003 (26359) Qrunner NewsRunner reached maximum restart >limit of 10, not restarting. > >I tried upping the maximum restart limit to an arbitrarily high number, but >qrunner just didn't really work at all. > >However, if I run /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner -r All, everything works >great. > >(Except that after a while, it starts eating up more and more CPU time) > >I've checked all the easy stuff, and I'm stumped. I don't know python that >well, >and this whole thing gives me a bit of a headache. :> > >Any thoughts? (reinstalling is DEFINIETLY not an option, with the number of >users and lists that I have!) > >-Kysh >-- This problem is not one I have seen myself but is anything being logged to $prefix/logs/error. My reading of the mailmanctl and qrunner code is that they log problems to $prefix/logs/error with the string 'mailmanctl' and 'qrunner' respectively after the time stamp on the log entries. If the qrunner processes started by mailmanctl are exiting abnormally I would expect to find some evidence in $prefix/logs/error. See what you can see there and repost with it. I'm sure someone will be able to help with the additional information. From clfa at lapdragon.org Wed Apr 30 22:45:36 2003 From: clfa at lapdragon.org (Kysh) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:45:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying (Somewhat long) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430212548.03efc2d8@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <20030429072643.GA26293@meer.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030430212548.03efc2d8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030430204536.GA23089@meer.net> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 09:36:09PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: > At 08:26 29/04/2003, Kysh wrote: > > >and this whole thing gives me a bit of a headache. :> > > > >Any thoughts? (reinstalling is DEFINIETLY not an option, with the number of > >users and lists that I have!) > > > >-Kysh > >-- > > This problem is not one I have seen myself but is anything being logged to > $prefix/logs/error. > > My reading of the mailmanctl and qrunner code is that they log problems to > $prefix/logs/error with the string 'mailmanctl' and 'qrunner' respectively > after the time stamp on the log entries. > > If the qrunner processes started by mailmanctl are exiting abnormally I > would expect to find some evidence in $prefix/logs/error. > > See what you can see there and repost with it. I'm sure someone will be > able to help with the additional information. Thanks for your reply! See below-- root at lap{/var/lib/mailman}$ cd /var/log/mailman/ root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ mkdir old root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ mv * old root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ /etc/init.d/mailman start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ ls -latr | tail -5 drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 Apr 30 06:25 ../ drwxr-sr-x 2 root list 4096 Apr 30 13:39 old/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 root list 0 Apr 30 13:39 error drwxrwsr-x 3 root list 4096 Apr 30 13:39 ./ -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 12052 Apr 30 13:39 qrunner root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ ps -ef | grep qrunner root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ cat qrunner | more Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23197, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23196, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23195, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23194, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23193, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23203, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23205, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23204, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23202, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23208, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23207, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23206, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23201, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23200, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23199, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23198, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23215, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23213, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23217, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23214, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23212, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23211, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23210, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23209, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23223, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23222, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23221, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23220, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23219, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23228, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23224, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23218, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23216, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23232, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23231, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23226, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:51 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23225, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23236, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23230, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23229, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23227, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23240, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23235, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23234, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23244, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23243, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23237, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23242, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23241, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23239, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23238, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23245, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23253, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23252, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23251, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23250, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23247, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23246, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23258, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23257, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23255, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23252, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23251, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23250, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23247, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:52 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23246, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23258, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23257, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23255, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Qrunner BounceRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23254, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23262, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23263, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23261, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23260, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23259, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23256, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23269, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Qrunner CommandRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23265, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23268, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23267, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Qrunner NewsRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23271, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Qrunner ArchRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23270, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Qrunner OutgoingRunner reached maximum restart limi t of 10, not restarting. Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23266, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Qrunner VirginRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23264, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 23272, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Apr 30 13:39:53 2003 (23192) Qrunner IncomingRunner reached maximum restart limi t of 10, not restarting. ... And that's all she wrote. Any thoughts? -Kysh -- .+------------------------------------------------------------+. | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying | | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr | | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang | | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ | | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham | | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ | `+------------------------------------------------------------+' From Freedom_Lover at pobox.com Wed Apr 30 22:48:47 2003 From: Freedom_Lover at pobox.com (Todd) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:48:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (take 2) Complete List of Mailman fields? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030430131839.01faa7d8@localhost> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030430131839.01faa7d8@localhost> Message-ID: <20030430204847.GO2374@psilocybe.teonanacatl.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Melissa Oringer wrote: > I'm an admin for several lists using Mailman v2.0.13. I've searched the > FAQ on the list.org website as well as the documentation and the archives > of this list, but have been unable to find a complete list Mailman fields > available when customizing the HTML display. > > At present, I want to display the text defined in the "info" field. Anyone > know how to call it? I'm not sure if there's a better place to look, but if you pop open the source code and poke around, you'll find a function in Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py, GetStandardReplacements, that has a list of tags which are replaced with various details about a list. The one for the list info is , if I'm thinking of the same field you are. HTH, - -- Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ============================================================================ It seems a little silly now, but this country was founded as a protest against taxation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE+sDavuv+09NZUB1oRAjbjAJ4/4hsc3Ho9mvsGGBnzUlzZnISFegCfSgSk 8bdal1+R5B9a6oqLyHfzedQ= =ZFnH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eric.miller at padtinc.com Wed Apr 30 23:05:34 2003 From: eric.miller at padtinc.com (Eric Miller) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:05:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting hypermail to work with mailma n Message-ID: Marilyn, THANK YOU! I was unscientific and tried more than one thing at a time, but it now works. I think it was the mailmanctl command. I feel stupid, which is not unusual. Now I need to go back to the doc and see how I missed such an important command. I thank you, the ANSYS user community thanks you! Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Miller Director: Support, Training & Development Phoenix Analysis & Design Technologies (480) 813-4884, x103 www.padtinc.com I've stopped 3,435 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/} -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Davis [mailto:marilyn at deliberate.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:47 AM To: Eric Miller Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble getting hypermail to work with mailman Eric, Are you doing "mailmanctl restart" with each change you make? You need ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2 My PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL starts with "http:// " Do you have a closing ' on: > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'hypermail -c > /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc and are you checking the logs? Good luck. Marilyn On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Eric Miller wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm trying to set up my list and have had good luck so far. > Not satisfied with pipermail, I decided to try hypermail. > But no matter what I do, it always runs pipermail and never > hypermail. I'm stumped. > > My list is called xansys_test. > > My mm_cfg.py file has: > PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 'hypermail -c > /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc > PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER ='hypermail -c > /var/mailman/hypermail/xansys_test.rc > PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/archives/xansys_test' > PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/archives/xansys_test' > ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1 > > No matter what value I set ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX to, it always runs pipermail. > > I am guessing that I am missing the obvious command/option. > > Some things I've checked: > > 1: ran check_perms OK > 2: cat'd an mbox into the above hypermail command OK > 3: Tried every value of ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX > > Any help is much appreciated. > > Thanks > > Eric > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Eric Miller > Director, CAD & > Software Services > Phoenix Analysis & > Design Technologies > (480) 813-4884, x103 > www.padtinc.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > This message was sent to: marilyn at deliberate.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marilyn%40deliberate.co m > From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 30 23:25:00 2003 From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:25:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying (Somewhat long) In-Reply-To: <20030430204536.GA23089@meer.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430212548.03efc2d8@pop3.demon.co.uk> <20030429072643.GA26293@meer.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030430212548.03efc2d8@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430215625.03d4a200@pop3.demon.co.uk> At 21:45 30/04/2003, Kysh wrote: >On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 09:36:09PM +0100, Richard Barrett wrote: > > At 08:26 29/04/2003, Kysh wrote: > > > > >and this whole thing gives me a bit of a headache. :> > > > > > >Any thoughts? (reinstalling is DEFINIETLY not an option, with the > number of > > >users and lists that I have!) > > > > > >-Kysh > > >-- > > > > This problem is not one I have seen myself but is anything being logged to > > $prefix/logs/error. > > > > My reading of the mailmanctl and qrunner code is that they log problems to > > $prefix/logs/error with the string 'mailmanctl' and 'qrunner' respectively > > after the time stamp on the log entries. > > > > If the qrunner processes started by mailmanctl are exiting abnormally I > > would expect to find some evidence in $prefix/logs/error. > > > > See what you can see there and repost with it. I'm sure someone will be > > able to help with the additional information. > >Thanks for your reply! See below-- Well, the absence of any output to the error log and the fact that each qrunner process started by mailmanctl is returning an exit status of 1 is interesting. The qrunner process appear to do nothing before exiting. The subprocesses are produced by mailmanctl forking and the child process then execl's the qrunner. The failure is so terminal and without traces getting into the error log I' m wondering if the attempt by the child to run the qrunner fails What is the value assigned to the variable PYTHON in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py, is this the path to your python executable, and does it match the path in the #! in line 1 of the $prefix/bin/qrunner and $prefix/bin/mailmanctl files? >root at lap{/var/lib/mailman}$ cd /var/log/mailman/ >root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ mkdir old >root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ mv * old >root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ /etc/init.d/mailman start >Starting Mailman's master qrunner. >root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ ls -latr | tail -5 >drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 4096 Apr 30 06:25 ../ >drwxr-sr-x 2 root list 4096 Apr 30 13:39 old/ >-rw-rw-r-- 1 root list 0 Apr 30 13:39 error >drwxrwsr-x 3 root list 4096 Apr 30 13:39 ./ >-rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 12052 Apr 30 13:39 qrunner >root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ ps -ef | grep qrunner >root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ >root at lap{/var/log/mailman}$ cat qrunner | more >Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit >(pid: 23197, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] >Apr 30 13:39:50 2003 (23192) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit >(pid: 23196, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) >[restarting] >... And that's all she wrote. > >Any thoughts? > >-Kysh >-- >.+------------------------------------------------------------+. >| 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying | >| CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr | >| 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang | >| Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ | >| KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham | >| Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ | >`+------------------------------------------------------------+' From clfa at lapdragon.org Wed Apr 30 23:35:52 2003 From: clfa at lapdragon.org (Kysh) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:35:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner dying (Somewhat long) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430215625.03d4a200@pop3.demon.co.uk> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030430212548.03efc2d8@pop3.demon.co.uk> <20030429072643.GA26293@meer.net> <5.1.1.6.0.20030430212548.03efc2d8@pop3.demon.co.uk> <5.1.1.6.0.20030430215625.03d4a200@pop3.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030430213552.GA24079@meer.net> > >Thanks for your reply! See below-- > > Well, the absence of any output to the error log and the fact that each > qrunner process started by mailmanctl is returning an exit status of 1 is > interesting. > The qrunner process appear to do nothing before exiting. > getting into the error log I' m wondering if the attempt by the child to > run the qrunner fails > What is the value assigned to the variable PYTHON in > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py, is this the path to your python executable, > and does it match the path in the #! in line 1 of the $prefix/bin/qrunner > and $prefix/bin/mailmanctl files? /usr/bin/python, which is the correct python and they're all identical. -Kysh -- .+------------------------------------------------------------+. | 'Life begins at 120kias' - http://www.lapdragon.org/flying | | CBR-F4 streetbike - http://www.lapdragon.org/cbr | | 1968 Mustang fastback - http://www.lapdragon.org/mustang | | Got 'nix? - http://www.infrastructure.org/ | | KG6FOB - http://www.lapdragon.org/ham | | Give blood: Play Hockey! http://www.unixdragon.com/ | `+------------------------------------------------------------+' From LSTEVENS at nwtel.ca Wed Apr 30 19:49:32 2003 From: LSTEVENS at nwtel.ca (Lee Stevens) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:49:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface via web Message-ID: Hello, I have been trying to st up the admin interface for a list that I created and have been having a hek of a time trying to access it. Is there a discussion list that I can get into to or a message board for some assistance? Thank you, Lee